| 00:02.08 | Lepton | Wrath, any idea how I get closest unit to a unit? |
| 00:02.20 | Lepton | closest enemy* unit to a unit |
| 00:03.05 | Wrath | Sec |
| 00:03.38 | Lepton | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.44 | Lepton | not sure hat to do next |
| 00:04.34 | Wrath | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.36 | Lepton | 1 sec |
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| 00:07.24 | Lepton | how do you get (Closest unit to (Position of (Triggering unit)) |
| 00:07.32 | Lepton | i can only do the opposite |
| 00:07.42 | Wrath | Closest unit to point |
| 00:07.59 | Lepton | oh |
| 00:08.04 | Lepton | i had targetting point |
| 00:08.08 | Lepton | instead of targetting unit |
| 00:08.31 | Wrath | Ah yeah |
| 00:09.26 | Lepton | its smart |
| 00:09.30 | Lepton | tks so much |
| 00:09.31 | Lepton | ...again |
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| 00:28.23 | Lepton | whats the best way to implement observer mode on an arcade game? |
| 00:29.00 | Lepton | theres no way to get a map to auto start if only "player" team spots are filled but not observer team right? |
| 00:29.38 | Lepton | I thought making a game variant with observers, is that the best way to go? |
| 00:31.04 | Lepton | whats up kueken |
| 00:31.14 | Wrath | I'm not sure. |
| 00:31.16 | Kueken | Sharks |
| 00:31.20 | Kueken | everywhere |
| 00:31.55 | Wrath | I think you're right; any explicit player spots for observers will mean the game will HAVE to have the observers to start |
| 00:31.59 | Wrath | Pretty lame on Blizzard's part |
| 00:32.34 | Wrath | Well, at least that it will not auto-start without the observers |
| 00:32.34 | Lepton | yea |
| 00:32.39 | Wrath | And people could get stuck in those slots |
| 00:32.49 | Lepton | but if host afk |
| 00:32.53 | Lepton | itll mnever start |
| 00:32.58 | Lepton | and gamewill never be played |
| 00:33.02 | Lepton | cuz ppl will join and leave |
| 00:33.18 | Lepton | kills you map :P |
| 00:33.19 | Wrath | Or people will join, become observers, and not realize it |
| 00:33.22 | Wrath | All around bad |
| 00:33.39 | Wrath | Blizzard really flobbed the observer up. |
| 00:33.56 | Lepton | question: when you test map how do you pick what variant is used? |
| 00:34.03 | Lepton | offline testing |
| 00:34.52 | Lepton | another thing blizzard rly misses in global banks, would be so simple to add, and would help so much with stats, bank security, and everything bank related |
| 00:35.25 | Wrath | Would require more memory on their end. |
| 00:36.37 | Lepton | banks are so thiny, meh |
| 00:36.41 | Lepton | I once did the math |
| 00:36.50 | Lepton | less than a GB for a server |
| 00:37.06 | Lepton | and bandwidth cant be an argument either |
| 00:40.58 | Lepton | guys how the hell do you put more players in lobby on a variant |
| 00:41.50 | Lepton | I can put control to user in player property but how do you do if you want say 12 slots for a game variant and 8 slots for another? |
| 00:42.51 | Wrath | That... Is an excellent question. |
| 00:43.15 | Lepton | is it even possible? :/ |
| 00:43.48 | Wrath | Hmm... You know how you choose the team for each player in the variants? Try leaving the ones you don't want at none |
| 00:43.49 | Wrath | Just a guess |
| 00:43.52 | Wrath | Might be bullshit |
| 00:44.06 | Wrath | OH |
| 00:44.14 | Wrath | You can also change the player controller in there |
| 00:44.17 | Wrath | To closed |
| 00:45.08 | Lepton | yea if you put them locked on closed, will game auto start once lobby is filled? |
| 00:45.26 | Wrath | I dunno |
| 00:45.28 | Wrath | Give it a try man |
| 00:45.35 | Wrath | Publish it and go look :) |
| 00:45.46 | MoonEater | no |
| 00:45.52 | MoonEater | its in game info |
| 00:46.19 | MoonEater | got otp map>mapinfo>options tab> uncheck hide battlenet lobby |
| 00:46.45 | MoonEater | Lepton |
| 00:46.45 | Lepton | Wrath, thing is i dont want to screw the official map |
| 00:46.47 | Lepton | lol |
| 00:46.55 | Lepton | and its impossible to test in private game |
| 00:47.14 | Lepton | MoonEater, that just means you dont see lobby right? |
| 00:47.19 | MoonEater | yes |
| 00:47.23 | Lepton | and you just wait, bored, without being able to chat |
| 00:47.23 | MoonEater | and it goes when its filled |
| 00:47.26 | Lepton | hows that a fix? |
| 00:47.41 | MoonEater | i thought thats what u wanted |
| 00:47.43 | MoonEater | to have |
| 00:47.44 | MoonEater | a loby |
| 00:47.56 | MoonEater | all lobies by default auto start on full |
| 00:48.04 | MoonEater | hideing it make its wait untill full |
| 00:48.28 | Lepton | so whats the difference? |
| 00:48.32 | Lepton | i dont get it |
| 00:49.11 | MoonEater | ones like quick match |
| 00:49.14 | MoonEater | or match making |
| 00:49.16 | MoonEater | the other isnt |
| 00:49.22 | Lepton | yea... |
| 00:49.29 | Lepton | doesnt change anything though |
| 00:49.37 | Wrath | ANYWHO |
| 00:49.40 | Lepton | except you cant chat with other players in lobby |
| 00:49.41 | Wrath | Just make a new map |
| 00:49.42 | Wrath | Empty |
| 00:49.46 | Wrath | Set up the two variants |
| 00:49.47 | Wrath | And test it |
| 00:49.49 | Wrath | .. |
| 00:50.13 | Wrath | Or search for info about variants and players on the forums |
| 00:50.44 | Lepton | what is "default observer" |
| 00:59.14 | Lepton | im BW you could rename teams in lobby |
| 00:59.22 | Wrath | I am exhausted |
| 00:59.24 | Wrath | Nappy nap time |
| 00:59.24 | Lepton | its hard to believe its not possible in sc2 |
| 00:59.29 | Lepton | gnight Wrath |
| 00:59.36 | Wrath | :P I'll be back. |
| 00:59.38 | Wrath | TTYL |
| 01:00.01 | DeadZergling | okay, I fail at actors yet again.... |
| 01:00.03 | DeadZergling | https://www.pastee.org/n5fj6 |
| 01:00.16 | DeadZergling | want it to be cast at the target, not the original caster |
| 01:00.53 | Lepton | wish i could help DeadZergling |
| 01:01.00 | Lepton | i suck at actors too |
| 01:01.14 | DeadZergling | I'm sure kueken or jademus will quickly point out the obvious when one of them returns |
| 01:01.15 | Lepton | i cant even create a behavior that makes an actor |
| 01:01.33 | DeadZergling | oh those ones are fairly easy, behavior.on create, behavior.off destroy |
| 01:02.15 | Kueken | firefox blocks pastee :D |
| 01:02.32 | DeadZergling | give me another site then |
| 01:02.57 | Kueken | its okay, added an exception |
| 01:03.05 | Kueken | pastebin.com otherwise |
| 01:03.17 | Kueken | so whats the problem? |
| 01:03.25 | Lepton | guys how to you rename teams? |
| 01:03.30 | DeadZergling | i want the heal model to appear at the target being healed |
| 01:03.36 | DeadZergling | it keeps appearing at the cleric |
| 01:04.04 | Kueken | you can change the Scope in the Host field |
| 01:04.14 | Kueken | I assume your Host Subject is _Selectable? |
| 01:04.41 | DeadZergling | yes, it is |
| 01:05.04 | Kueken | in the same field, change the Scope to Target |
| 01:05.19 | DeadZergling | target outer? |
| 01:05.24 | Kueken | Scope Target |
| 01:05.38 | DeadZergling | yea, not giving me that option |
| 01:06.47 | DeadZergling | under host, I have Actor: Implicit, Effect: (None), Fail if no host false, scope: implicit, subject _Selectable |
| 01:07.05 | DeadZergling | oh nevermind :P |
| 01:07.09 | DeadZergling | scope |
| 01:07.16 | Kueken | :) |
| 01:08.02 | Kueken | if that still doesn't work, us e SOpTargetUnit |
| 01:08.56 | Lepton | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/19331-can-we-change-team-names-in-lobby/ |
| 01:09.01 | Lepton | cant believe no one ever wanted to do that |
| 01:10.09 | DeadZergling | well got that working |
| 01:10.24 | DeadZergling | my little cleric monster is now properly healing allies and blinding enemies |
| 01:10.26 | MoonEater | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/19331-can-we-change-team-names-in-lobby/#p3 |
| 01:10.31 | DeadZergling | Brood War level technology! |
| 01:11.58 | DeadZergling | not a fan of the duration heals though, prefer big instant heals with cast times |
| 01:12.20 | MoonEater | uh that wasnt in brood war |
| 01:12.28 | MoonEater | i missed dark archons and shield batteries |
| 01:12.31 | DeadZergling | yes it was |
| 01:12.37 | DeadZergling | medics totally had flare and heal |
| 01:12.48 | MoonEater | ur mistaken |
| 01:12.51 | MoonEater | flare yes |
| 01:12.52 | MoonEater | instant |
| 01:12.54 | MoonEater | but heal |
| 01:12.55 | MoonEater | no |
| 01:12.57 | MoonEater | duration |
| 01:13.01 | MoonEater | very fast tho |
| 01:13.03 | DeadZergling | heal is heal moon :P |
| 01:13.16 | MoonEater | its the same as sc2 medics |
| 01:13.18 | DeadZergling | I just changed how it got delivered to suit my personal preference |
| 01:13.31 | DeadZergling | i know full well they do the lame duration way |
| 01:13.37 | MoonEater | oh... |
| 01:13.40 | DeadZergling | why you think I mentioned I wasn't a fan of it |
| 01:13.40 | MoonEater | ok |
| 01:13.42 | MoonEater | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/19331-can-we-change-team-names-in-lobby/#p3 |
| 01:13.43 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 01:13.48 | MoonEater | not sure |
| 01:13.52 | MoonEater | hippocrit? |
| 01:19.23 | Lepton | MoonEater, what do you mean in team placement? i see nothing there :/ |
| 01:19.49 | Lepton | oh you create new teams |
| 01:19.54 | MoonEater | in team placement basic |
| 01:19.58 | MoonEater | u can link allies |
| 01:19.58 | Lepton | and then select them in game variants? |
| 01:20.02 | MoonEater | to start locations |
| 01:20.11 | MoonEater | they work hand in hand yes |
| 01:20.38 | MoonEater | u need to make sure the players r in the right teams in game variants |
| 01:20.50 | MoonEater | but then u use team placement to place them |
| 01:22.07 | Lepton | uhm |
| 01:22.25 | Lepton | so I create all the teams i want in game variants |
| 01:22.33 | Lepton | then match them to players |
| 01:22.51 | Lepton | i mean i create teams in team placement |
| 01:22.58 | Lepton | then match them to players in game variant |
| 01:23.00 | Lepton | is that it? |
| 01:23.09 | MoonEater | yep |
| 01:23.21 | MoonEater | tinker with it abit but it works in my map |
| 01:24.14 | Lepton | nice ill try |
| 01:25.43 | Lepton | omfg game doesnt auto start when you have locked closed slots |
| 01:25.50 | Lepton | and game fills |
| 01:26.20 | MoonEater | i think u have to lock slots then last player starts i |
| 01:26.21 | MoonEater | it |
| 01:30.29 | Lepton | what do you mean |
| 01:30.33 | Lepton | I did lock them |
| 01:31.05 | Lepton | I have player 1 to 8 in individual teams, then players 9-14 in the same team, all slots closed and locked |
| 01:31.11 | Lepton | they dont even show up in lobby |
| 01:31.24 | Lepton | but game doesnt start upon 8th player joining anymore :( |
| 01:33.03 | Lepton | MoonEater, |
| 01:36.11 | Lepton | :( |
| 01:38.16 | MoonEater | sorry was testing |
| 01:38.17 | MoonEater | hello!@ |
| 01:38.42 | MoonEater | ok lets me load up the map that has the team stuff |
| 01:38.47 | MoonEater | Lepton |
| 01:39.17 | Lepton | he |
| 01:39.26 | Lepton | ok |
| 01:39.31 | Lepton | tks |
| 01:40.00 | MoonEater | ok in my map |
| 01:40.10 | MoonEater | all players have random start locations |
| 01:40.39 | MoonEater | then in team placement basic and advance |
| 01:40.45 | MoonEater | i group them by start location |
| 01:40.55 | MoonEater | players 5-7 in one area |
| 01:41.00 | MoonEater | on a team |
| 01:41.02 | MoonEater | so fotht |
| 01:41.18 | MoonEater | and i link them to enemey teams |
| 01:41.49 | MoonEater | in variants |
| 01:42.01 | MoonEater | i group those players into teams |
| 01:42.14 | MoonEater | or |
| 01:42.18 | MoonEater | in a different variant |
| 01:42.24 | MoonEater | i put them all on one team |
| 01:42.38 | MoonEater | in both cases they populate the locations in groups randomly |
| 01:42.44 | Lepton | but I dont see the importance of start location |
| 01:42.53 | Lepton | isnt that just where the camera is when game starts? |
| 01:43.02 | MoonEater | no |
| 01:43.12 | MoonEater | start location is an acient thing |
| 01:43.12 | Lepton | all my players have same start location |
| 01:43.17 | MoonEater | and powerful mystical thing |
| 01:43.19 | MoonEater | XD |
| 01:43.21 | Lepton | lol |
| 01:43.35 | MoonEater | still does the same things as it did back in the last century |
| 01:43.45 | MoonEater | start location is the location the player starts |
| 01:43.48 | MoonEater | his base |
| 01:43.51 | MoonEater | his men |
| 01:43.54 | MoonEater | his camera |
| 01:44.11 | Lepton | yea |
| 01:44.13 | MoonEater | it is one with the player |
| 01:44.19 | Lepton | haha |
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| 01:44.29 | Lepton | i have a single one for all my players :P |
| 01:44.36 | Lepton | its called |
| 01:44.37 | MoonEater | u cant have 2 |
| 01:44.41 | MoonEater | the system will reject one |
| 01:44.47 | Wrath | Laaaaaadies. |
| 01:44.53 | Lepton | Start Location 001 |
| 01:44.55 | MoonEater | i liek ladies |
| 01:45.20 | Lepton | Wrath, it turns out game stops starting automatically when lobby fills |
| 01:45.31 | Wrath | If you close some of the player slots? |
| 01:45.34 | Lepton | if you have player slots closed and locked |
| 01:45.41 | Lepton | yup |
| 01:45.54 | Lepton | its pretty dumb.. |
| 01:46.44 | MoonEater | last i checked |
| 01:46.49 | MoonEater | if u close the player slot |
| 01:46.59 | MoonEater | before the last player joins |
| 01:47.02 | MoonEater | wait |
| 01:47.05 | MoonEater | im all messed up |
| 01:47.09 | DeadZergling | updating upgrade tables, just my least favorite thing to do ever, lol |
| 01:47.12 | MoonEater | if a player joins |
| 01:47.18 | MoonEater | and u close all slots it wont start |
| 01:47.20 | MoonEater | if |
| 01:47.28 | Lepton | nope |
| 01:47.31 | MoonEater | i close slots and a player joins the last one it starts |
| 01:47.34 | Lepton | well, it didnt for me |
| 01:47.40 | Lepton | rly? |
| 01:47.41 | Wrath | Iiiiii really need to find a map idea that I can bring to completion. |
| 01:47.43 | MoonEater | maybe they changed it |
| 01:47.54 | MoonEater | uh |
| 01:47.56 | MoonEater | well |
| 01:47.58 | MoonEater | wrath |
| 01:47.59 | MoonEater | do dota |
| 01:48.01 | DeadZergling | should team up w/ A1win, he has the same problem |
| 01:48.16 | Wrath | Starcraft 2 already has Aeon of Storms |
| 01:48.21 | Wrath | Of which I am a developer lol |
| 01:48.30 | Wrath | And Blizzard is also working on Blizzard All-Stars |
| 01:48.35 | Wrath | So I'd say that's quite saturated |
| 01:48.55 | MoonEater | aeon can eb done beta |
| 01:49.01 | MoonEater | as all stars isnt done |
| 01:49.07 | MoonEater | and has been in production for awhile |
| 01:49.30 | MoonEater | u could do sports also |
| 01:49.30 | Lepton | oh i just thought of something |
| 01:49.34 | Lepton | I think i saw some ppl do it |
| 01:49.37 | Wrath | Not a fan of sports games. |
| 01:49.48 | Lepton | they just fill the empty slots with dummie AIs |
| 01:49.50 | MoonEater | well |
| 01:49.52 | Lepton | instead of closing them |
| 01:49.54 | MoonEater | u could do like nascar |
| 01:50.00 | MoonEater | there is also mars attack |
| 01:50.05 | MoonEater | which hasnt been added yet |
| 01:50.10 | MoonEater | i was going to do that map next |
| 01:50.20 | Lepton | think that could work guys? |
| 01:51.07 | MoonEater | you could do some bounds |
| 01:51.15 | MoonEater | those havent been added much yet |
| 01:51.20 | MoonEater | lava run |
| 01:51.23 | MoonEater | needs a remake |
| 01:51.31 | MoonEater | zergling round up |
| 01:51.59 | MoonEater | i was also going todo nexus destroyers |
| 01:52.04 | MoonEater | that was a favorit game in bw |
| 01:52.36 | Lepton | if you're able to do a good balanced 21k hydralisk attack thatd be great |
| 01:52.43 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 01:53.08 | MoonEater | there was a defence game that was popular for awhile HMGZ |
| 01:53.11 | MoonEater | or somthing like that |
| 01:54.20 | MoonEater | HGM defense |
| 01:54.22 | MoonEater | thats the name |
| 01:54.26 | MoonEater | hydra ghost marine |
| 01:55.27 | Lepton | yea that was good too |
| 01:59.25 | MoonEater | JADE |
| 01:59.27 | MoonEater | i need ur help |
| 01:59.32 | MoonEater | JademusSreg |
| 01:59.48 | MoonEater | JademusSreg I SUMMON YOU!!! ARISE FROM YOUR SLUMBER |
| 02:02.51 | Lepton | i can try |
| 02:16.45 | MoonEater | im trying to get a sc1 scv pick up |
| 02:16.49 | MoonEater | like in sc1 |
| 02:16.53 | MoonEater | the psi emitter |
| 02:22.47 | Wrath | Seems to me you could just give the SCV an ability that destroys the building and gives the SCV a behavior |
| 02:23.03 | Wrath | I don't think there's an actual pick-up style ability |
| 02:23.10 | Wrath | You could also simulate it with transport I think |
| 02:23.14 | MoonEater | there isnt |
| 02:23.23 | Wrath | I would go with |
| 02:23.53 | Wrath | Ability Destroys Building -> Gives SCV Behavior -> Creates Pickup Actor -> Anything Else it Does .... |
| 02:24.11 | Wrath | The pickup actor just being a model attachment obviously |
| 02:24.56 | MoonEater | well i want to make a radioactive create |
| 02:25.03 | MoonEater | that scv moves and drops |
| 02:25.33 | Wrath | So have the ability destroy the crate and give the SCV a behavior |
| 02:25.41 | Wrath | The behavior creates the crate model attached to the SCV |
| 02:25.44 | Wrath | And enables an ability |
| 02:25.51 | Wrath | For dropping the crate |
| 02:26.02 | Wrath | (Which actually just creates a new crate at the location) |
| 02:26.08 | Wrath | The behavior could also have a fatal combat response |
| 02:26.12 | Wrath | To create the crate on death |
| 02:26.23 | Wrath | I dunno if there's a more direct way to do it but that works |
| 02:26.50 | MoonEater | was hopping there is |
| 02:26.56 | MoonEater | i could do it via triggers |
| 02:26.58 | MoonEater | but i dont want 2 |
| 02:27.00 | MoonEater | XD |
| 02:27.01 | DeadZergling | these upgrades are gonna make me kill someone pretty soon |
| 02:28.02 | Wrath | I've had to do worse I think, Zling :P |
| 02:28.03 | MoonEater | *holds wrath steady for u* |
| 02:28.17 | Wrath | I was going to make a game where users design their own heroes and abilities from the ground up |
| 02:28.21 | Wrath | Using catalog field value set |
| 02:28.30 | MoonEater | i made a upgrade that went upto 9999999 or somthing like that |
| 02:28.36 | Wrath | But it required a lot of blank template effects/abilities/behaviors |
| 02:28.45 | Wrath | I made about 800 effects |
| 02:28.47 | MoonEater | i had to link abunch of lvl 99 upgrades togeather |
| 02:28.48 | Wrath | 200 behaviors |
| 02:28.51 | Wrath | And... |
| 02:28.51 | MoonEater | oh! |
| 02:28.53 | MoonEater | naw |
| 02:28.55 | MoonEater | protect bob |
| 02:29.02 | MoonEater | each unit takes em about 1-2 hours |
| 02:29.04 | Wrath | 100 abilities |
| 02:29.15 | MoonEater | the footprint for the super hive took me 4 hours |
| 02:29.28 | MoonEater | it doesnt even work |
| 02:29.38 | Wrath | :P |
| 02:29.44 | JademusSreg | Picking up isn't all the complicated. |
| 02:30.03 | DeadZergling | it isn't the trickiness that makes me want to kill |
| 02:30.08 | DeadZergling | is the monotamy |
| 02:30.13 | MoonEater | i want the easy solution not that make accouple ability solution |
| 02:30.30 | Wrath | Easiest solution would have it actually be an item |
| 02:30.36 | Wrath | .. |
| 02:30.56 | JademusSreg | The approach follows from the design. |
| 02:32.18 | JademusSreg | Gotta describe the design. |
| 02:32.30 | Wrath | I.E. what does it do while being carried |
| 02:32.33 | Wrath | Do while on the ground |
| 02:32.37 | Wrath | Does it drop on death |
| 02:32.43 | MoonEater | i want sc1 psi emitter type |
| 02:33.21 | Wrath | Is it that hard to just describe it lol |
| 02:33.39 | JademusSreg | It's an experiential description, non-technical, concerned with the qualia of the system, how it looks, moves, sounds, tastes if applicable. |
| 02:34.04 | Wrath | Hahaha. |
| 02:34.12 | JademusSreg | Someone asks you about the design of a cake, you don't recite the goddamn recipe. |
| 02:34.14 | Lepton | if theres player 1,2,3,4 in a game and player 3 leaves, then player 4 becomes player 3, right? |
| 02:34.21 | Wrath | I dunno about you but my computer doesn't dispense taste anywhere |
| 02:34.29 | Wrath | :( I wish it did |
| 02:34.39 | Wrath | No Lepton |
| 02:34.48 | Wrath | Players are indexed according to the order in which they joined |
| 02:34.52 | Lepton | uhm...u sure? |
| 02:34.54 | Wrath | And they stay in that index |
| 02:34.55 | Wrath | Yeah |
| 02:35.02 | Wrath | Player 4 is always player 4 |
| 02:35.06 | Wrath | And likewise for player 3 who quits |
| 02:35.08 | JademusSreg | From the design one determines the parameters within which it need operate, and in turn the approach, |
| 02:35.10 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 02:35.15 | Lepton | i have no idea why my trigger works ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 02:35.28 | MoonEater | no |
| 02:35.34 | MoonEater | i say a cake is in the store |
| 02:35.37 | MoonEater | go get some |
| 02:35.44 | MoonEater | the psi emitter is in scbw |
| 02:35.45 | MoonEater | go get some |
| 02:35.47 | MoonEater | XD |
| 02:35.52 | Wrath | Except |
| 02:35.56 | Wrath | You're not telling us what cake |
| 02:35.57 | Wrath | Or what store |
| 02:35.59 | Wrath | And our response |
| 02:36.00 | Wrath | Is fuck you |
| 02:36.03 | Wrath | lol |
| 02:36.08 | MoonEater | THEW STORE IS SCBW |
| 02:36.13 | MoonEater | U MOFO! |
| 02:36.14 | MoonEater | XD |
| 02:36.16 | MoonEater | lozl! |
| 02:36.40 | Wrath | It's been a long-ass time since I played BW and I don't remember minute details about the psi emitter pick-up |
| 02:36.48 | Wrath | If you're so goddamn lazy that you can't describe it don't expect any help |
| 02:37.10 | MoonEater | lolz! |
| 02:37.16 | MoonEater | im not exactly yet |
| 02:37.30 | MoonEater | plus it looks like there isnt a solution i want |
| 02:38.01 | Wrath | You take what solution you can get or you give up on the idea |
| 02:38.32 | MoonEater | calm down wrath its not that big of a deal |
| 02:38.36 | Wrath | In all likelihood the psi emitter pick-up in BW operated as an item in a hidden inventory |
| 02:39.16 | MoonEater | im almost possitive ill have to transfer behaviors from unit to unit |
| 02:39.19 | MoonEater | hide unit |
| 02:39.26 | MoonEater | and attack to actor |
| 02:39.31 | MoonEater | with drop abilities |
| 02:39.33 | DeadZergling | there, evil upgrades for monsters updated, again. |
| 02:39.37 | DeadZergling | until I add more monsters.... |
| 02:39.59 | Wrath | AFK a while, gonna take a shower |
| 02:40.08 | DeadZergling | off to go cook steak |
| 02:40.14 | Wrath | *drool* |
| 02:40.20 | MoonEater | U BISH!!! |
| 02:40.29 | MoonEater | i had crappy korean wings |
| 02:40.36 | MoonEater | koreans suck at food... |
| 02:45.26 | MoonEater | and if u dont eat it they think they hate u |
| 02:45.32 | MoonEater | and will make ur life miserable |
| 02:48.53 | DeadZergling | there is a secret to eating korean food |
| 02:49.02 | DeadZergling | find good korean food :P |
| 02:49.16 | DeadZergling | is the same secret to eating any other kind of food |
| 03:00.20 | MoonEater | ya well i think she sucks at making her own food cause other koreans dont want to eat it either |
| 03:00.57 | Wrath | I'm starting to think I might want to make a 6-8 player RPG with gathering skills, production skills, a trade system, and a PVP system |
| 03:03.28 | MoonEater | i think u need a more secure bank |
| 03:03.49 | Wrath | Believe me, I can secure a bank |
| 03:04.25 | Wrath | Multiply value by part of their player handle |
| 03:04.30 | Wrath | Offset it by another part of their player handle |
| 03:04.36 | Wrath | Create a checksum |
| 03:04.45 | Wrath | Encrypt it in a base 85 string |
| 03:05.06 | Wrath | If the values come out negative, non-integer, or contrary to the checksum |
| 03:05.10 | Wrath | Then they modified the values |
| 03:06.22 | DeadZergling | ah, the magical combination of meat and fire |
| 03:06.26 | DeadZergling | pretty tough to beat |
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| 03:18.46 | Demo | Anyone US available for a test? |
| 03:19.23 | Wrath | Sure. |
| 03:19.41 | Wrath | I'll be right on. Add me @ Wrath - 224 |
| 03:20.11 | Demo | publishing right now |
| 03:22.42 | Demo | Invited |
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| 03:38.08 | Demo | By the way Wrath, do you know an easy way of creating a tombstone or something else that is the dead unit? i.e. a model swap when they die? |
| 03:38.20 | Wrath | Here you go Demo: http://pastebin.com/8JGdSYjD |
| 03:38.49 | Wrath | At the top is the declaration of the arrayref types |
| 03:39.03 | Wrath | The first function, execute command, gets passed the arrayref |
| 03:39.27 | Wrath | And the second function, parseCommand, declares an array, fills it, and then passes it |
| 03:39.30 | Lepton | can you get a hold of the game variant chosen with triggers? |
| 03:40.30 | Demo | I forgot to only show the dialog to the triggering player :/ |
| 03:41.49 | Lepton | WTF my map publishing keeps failing |
| 03:41.54 | Lepton | never happened before |
| 03:41.56 | Lepton | wtf is going on |
| 03:42.38 | Demo | Why can't we log into SC and the Editor at the same time :( |
| 03:42.45 | Wrath | Here, this might be simpler example |
| 03:42.46 | Wrath | http://pastebin.com/Rbd92JN6 |
| 03:42.53 | Lepton | it says variant definition could not be recognized |
| 03:44.38 | Demo | Lepton, Map/GameVariants what do you have it set to? |
| 03:44.48 | Lepton | custom |
| 03:45.03 | Lepton | all I changed is I added a bunch of dummy computers |
| 03:45.12 | Lepton | to fill spots |
| 03:45.41 | Demo | did you also do that in the player properties? |
| 03:46.11 | Lepton | no |
| 03:46.14 | Lepton | cause |
| 03:46.24 | Lepton | in another variant they will be observers |
| 03:46.34 | Lepton | i have normal mode and observer mode |
| 03:46.48 | Lepton | normal mode the observer spots are filled with dummie computers |
| 03:47.11 | Demo | I don't know enough about Game Variants to know the exact reason why it can't be published |
| 03:47.38 | Demo | however, it may be a good idea to check the obvious |
| 03:47.39 | Lepton | what should I put the controler of those players in player properties? |
| 03:47.50 | Lepton | its surrently user |
| 03:47.53 | Lepton | currently |
| 03:47.55 | Wrath | Don't put anything in player properties |
| 03:47.55 | Demo | such as the variant having at least one player |
| 03:47.56 | Wrath | Ever |
| 03:47.58 | Wrath | Except user |
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| 03:48.35 | Lepton | well Wrath whats wrong then? |
| 03:48.48 | JademusSreg | zOOP. |
| 03:48.49 | Wrath | Couldn't tell you I'm not really paying attention :) |
| 03:50.05 | Wrath | Yo Jademus |
| 03:50.10 | JademusSreg | Nice snippet, Wrath. |
| 03:50.16 | Wrath | Oh thanks hun :P |
| 03:50.30 | Wrath | I wrote the command snippet before I knew that String Word existed >.> |
| 03:50.33 | Wrath | So I did it manually LOL. |
| 03:50.38 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 03:50.51 | Wrath | Do you thiiiiink |
| 03:50.52 | JademusSreg | Noticed. No worries, though. |
| 03:51.01 | Wrath | That a very item based RPG could be successful |
| 03:51.05 | Wrath | With like a trade system |
| 03:51.09 | Wrath | Gathering skills, production skills |
| 03:51.47 | Wrath | But also with the regular PVM and also some form of PVP |
| 03:51.52 | JademusSreg | Depends on the scale. On the face of it, it's entirely too vulnerable to bank cracking, which would be inevitable if it became popular. |
| 03:52.13 | Wrath | Oh come on. :) Don't you think the least we can do is secure a bank file? |
| 03:52.17 | JademusSreg | So the platform poses a liability. |
| 03:53.00 | Wrath | That limitation is the least of my concerns. Do you think it could become popular? |
| 03:53.14 | Wrath | Because the bigger concern is the time and effort |
| 03:53.19 | Wrath | Therefore the payoff is important :P |
| 03:54.13 | JademusSreg | People like stuff, acquiring stuff, options for stuff, et cetera. I'm curious what the core gameplay would be. |
| 03:55.07 | Wrath | Yeah |
| 03:55.15 | Wrath | I mean, I know what I would enjoy is working on item systems |
| 03:55.19 | Wrath | And making that a big focus |
| 03:55.22 | Wrath | But I am trying to decide if |
| 03:55.38 | Wrath | I want to just use a very large map |
| 03:55.46 | Wrath | Or procedurally generate dungeons |
| 03:55.47 | Wrath | Or |
| 03:55.52 | Wrath | I dunno |
| 03:55.59 | Wrath | On top of that is |
| 03:56.03 | Wrath | Do I want it to be always-PVP |
| 03:56.12 | Wrath | Or cooperative PVM with a PVP option |
| 03:56.14 | Wrath | I think the latter |
| 03:56.30 | JademusSreg | You've got The Stuff, but the core gameplay needs to be designed before one can expect how effective a lure The Stuff would be. |
| 03:56.40 | Wrath | :P |
| 03:56.48 | Wrath | Okay, define for me what specifically you mean by the core gameplay. |
| 03:58.21 | JademusSreg | If one is asked to recall the core gameplay of Final Fantasy 7, one would likely recall an "active turn system" battle sequence and/or equipment & materia management. |
| 03:58.32 | Wrath | Mmmm. |
| 03:58.59 | Wrath | Well, most of the RPGs that have made it to arcade |
| 03:59.06 | Wrath | Consist essentially of just wandering monsters |
| 03:59.09 | JademusSreg | Or Super Mario Bros. Running, jumping, pulverizing turtles and mushroom creatures and falling into bottomless pits. |
| 03:59.14 | Wrath | A small handful of objectives |
| 03:59.43 | Wrath | One thing I know that I would want |
| 03:59.47 | Wrath | Well.. |
| 03:59.49 | Wrath | Actually. |
| 03:59.50 | Wrath | Hmm. |
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| 04:00.02 | Wrath | I can either go with a quest structure |
| 04:00.20 | Lepton | i found the problem guys |
| 04:00.25 | Wrath | Or I can have dungeons |
| 04:00.44 | Lepton | you cant put a computer as controler in game variants |
| 04:00.52 | Wrath | Mmm. |
| 04:00.52 | Lepton | tahts pretty fucking dumb |
| 04:00.54 | JademusSreg | Could describe it with references. Like Metroid Portal Borderlands. |
| 04:01.06 | Demo | Wrath, if you really want, you could overhaul my items system |
| 04:01.21 | Wrath | :P I really want to bring my own game to completion, Demo. |
| 04:01.33 | Wrath | I've been working on other peoples' maps for some time now. |
| 04:01.46 | Wrath | If I was to do a quest structure |
| 04:01.49 | Demo | I just need to spend the time and actually create the story |
| 04:01.53 | Wrath | It would be kind of like Borderlands I think |
| 04:02.07 | Wrath | More like Borderlands 2 ideally |
| 04:02.13 | Demo | That's my ideal plan |
| 04:02.15 | Wrath | With a more central location |
| 04:02.23 | Wrath | (The floating city thingy) |
| 04:02.27 | Wrath | That you head out of |
| 04:02.30 | Wrath | For various small quests |
| 04:02.35 | Wrath | Or big quest sequences |
| 04:02.40 | Wrath | That take you through combat-intensive zones |
| 04:02.51 | Wrath | That would be the quest-intensive approach |
| 04:02.57 | Wrath | If it was dungeon style |
| 04:03.03 | Demo | I realistically want to have a ton of game variants in which you can load up the quest you want to play on |
| 04:03.06 | Demo | so you can play with others |
| 04:03.06 | Wrath | It would be more Diablo-3 / WoW dungeon inspired |
| 04:03.12 | JademusSreg | Metroid Portal Borderlands actually sounds pretty badass. Side-scrolling action-platformer in a research facility governed by a collection of rogue AIs while collecting procedurally-generated powerups and weapons. |
| 04:03.35 | Wrath | :P |
| 04:05.01 | JademusSreg | So you mean the gameplay would be ARPG, and if more like Diablo 3, emphasizing adaptability and positioning? |
| 04:05.15 | Wrath | If it was a dungeon-themed gameplay, yes |
| 04:05.23 | Wrath | If I wanted to go quest-themed |
| 04:05.30 | Wrath | It would be more like Borderlands 2 |
| 04:05.34 | JademusSreg | How are those two at odds? |
| 04:06.01 | JademusSreg | One can generate both dungeons and quests, yes? |
| 04:06.08 | Demo | Hmmm, is there any way to make the dead actor targetable, and not dissappear... |
| 04:06.12 | Wrath | Well, yes |
| 04:06.16 | Wrath | But |
| 04:06.23 | Wrath | That doesn't leave much space on the map :P |
| 04:06.47 | JademusSreg | Again, procedural generation. Save space and generate on demand. |
| 04:06.53 | Wrath | I know but |
| 04:07.00 | Wrath | I kind of envision quests being located in a more open area |
| 04:07.05 | Wrath | Whereas dungeons are contained |
| 04:07.10 | Demo | generally generating on demand is very ugly |
| 04:07.11 | Wrath | So to put both on one map |
| 04:07.29 | Demo | imo we need loading maps within maps |
| 04:08.48 | Wrath | I don't think it would be ugly visually |
| 04:08.59 | Wrath | The content may not be that interesting |
| 04:10.15 | JademusSreg | I realize self-styled "terrainers" imagine the terrain is sooo important, but after a first pass, no one will ever care about how nuanced the terrain textures and doodads are. |
| 04:10.52 | Wrath | As far as procedurally generated dungeons go |
| 04:10.59 | Wrath | You can have a handful of layouts |
| 04:11.03 | Wrath | Modify them with various blockers |
| 04:11.07 | Wrath | Spruce them up with doodads |
| 04:11.10 | Wrath | And then change the lighting |
| 04:11.14 | Wrath | To generate the feel that you want |
| 04:12.06 | JademusSreg | Sounds like the Diablo 3 approach. |
| 04:12.16 | Lepton | how do people put computers already in the lobby when you join |
| 04:12.19 | Lepton | ive seen it before |
| 04:12.22 | Demo | I'll be doing some random generation, to simulate a tower climb |
| 04:13.07 | JademusSreg | Lep, they click the +AI button in the lobby. |
| 04:13.11 | Lepton | im sure ive seen it done |
| 04:13.27 | Lepton | JademusSreg, a user has to do it manually? |
| 04:13.34 | Lepton | you cant have it on by default? |
| 04:13.44 | JademusSreg | Yes, but leaving the slot empty works just as well. |
| 04:14.05 | Lepton | no cause I want the game to start when lobby is fillled |
| 04:15.04 | Demo | I want the dead bodies to stay around once they die, and still be targetable :( |
| 04:15.54 | JademusSreg | Wrath, I'd encourage one to take the Diablo 2 approach. Prefabs fitted together, worked out beautifully. |
| 04:18.35 | JademusSreg | Helps to ensure the terrain doesn't get too predictable without sacrificing detail. |
| 04:18.41 | JademusSreg | *aesthetic detail |
| 04:18.58 | Wrath | Well, that's what I meant when I said |
| 04:19.02 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:19.03 | Wrath | You could use blockers of some kind |
| 04:19.11 | Wrath | Cut off certain passageways |
| 04:19.12 | Wrath | Open up others |
| 04:19.24 | Wrath | With unpathable doodads that blend with the terrain |
| 04:20.10 | JademusSreg | I'd use units, and overburden their actors with all manner of attachments. |
| 04:22.19 | JademusSreg | I really ought to make a POC map to demonstrate the idea. Sad to see dull, blocky procedurally-generated terrain. |
| 04:22.29 | Wrath | :P |
| 04:23.06 | Lepton | apparently its a very common error I'm getting, but no one in the forum threads has responded witha solution :/ |
| 04:23.56 | JademusSreg | Lep, let's start from the beginning. What is the design? What are you attempting to do? |
| 04:24.27 | Lepton | ill print screen my variants for you |
| 04:24.50 | JademusSreg | That doesn't address the question. |
| 04:25.05 | JademusSreg | Start from the design, not the approach. |
| 04:25.53 | Lepton | http://imgur.com/KgK9sLK |
| 04:26.27 | JademusSreg | I'm guessing you want computer players in some capacity? You want them in the game, not added manually from the lobby. You want them to appear in the lobby or no? |
| 04:26.30 | Lepton | when I users instead of computers in slots 9-14 i dont get error anymore |
| 04:26.54 | Lepton | as soon as one of them is computer i get " error: variant definitions could not be validated" |
| 04:27.09 | Lepton | yes JademusSreg |
| 04:27.25 | JademusSreg | So you want the computer players visible in the lobby? |
| 04:27.25 | Lepton | ive been stuck there for 1 hour |
| 04:27.26 | Lepton | omg |
| 04:27.40 | Lepton | yea i do, if they arent visible it doesnt matter |
| 04:27.57 | Lepton | I just need to game to auto start once the first 8 players have joined |
| 04:30.05 | JademusSreg | As I recall, one could define the players corresponding to the slots in Player Properties to Computer, and hide the slots in the Variants. |
| 04:30.27 | JademusSreg | Curious, though, do these computer players run AIs? |
| 04:30.58 | Lepton | no |
| 04:31.11 | JademusSreg | So why do they need to be computer players? |
| 04:31.16 | Lepton | idc if they do or not, they are dummy |
| 04:31.27 | JademusSreg | Then just close the slots. |
| 04:31.33 | Lepton | because if you close and lock slots the game doesnt start once the lobby fills |
| 04:31.45 | Lepton | so if host is afk game is dead |
| 04:32.05 | JademusSreg | Close the lobby slots. Simple. |
| 04:32.20 | Lepton | i did that! |
| 04:32.24 | Lepton | because if you close and lock slots the game doesnt start once the lobby fills |
| 04:32.45 | Lepton | so if host is afk game is dead |
| 04:32.53 | JademusSreg | That doesn't sound right, but then bnet is less than intuitive. |
| 04:33.44 | Lepton | ive tested it, trust me |
| 04:33.58 | Lepton | i need dummy AIs |
| 04:34.05 | Lepton | or computers |
| 04:34.12 | JademusSreg | Why are those slots visible? |
| 04:34.28 | Lepton | i guess i could hide them.. |
| 04:34.29 | JademusSreg | Close the player slots in player properties. |
| 04:34.48 | Lepton | wait what do you mean |
| 04:34.49 | JademusSreg | Try either. |
| 04:34.51 | Lepton | by visibl? |
| 04:35.24 | JademusSreg | I mean close the slots in Player Properties by setting it to None. |
| 04:35.37 | Lepton | i dont want to remove the players, because on my otehr variant i need all 14 |
| 04:35.48 | Lepton | thats the whole point |
| 04:35.53 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 04:36.42 | JademusSreg | I would expect there to be a way to make the slots not visible, but still occupied. |
| 04:37.09 | Lepton | i would expect you could publish a map with computer slots without getting an error |
| 04:37.45 | Lepton | its been like 90 minutes wasted on this now..omg |
| 04:40.31 | Lepton | do you know anyone whos expert with game variants and stuff? |
| 04:43.09 | JademusSreg | Set Controller value to Closed or None or whatever. |
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| 04:43.40 | JademusSreg | All the trigger shit to refers to the player will continue to work, regardless. |
| 04:44.14 | JademusSreg | From the Variants, to be clear. |
| 04:44.55 | Lepton | i dont see how that solves anything |
| 04:44.57 | Lepton | :L |
| 04:45.44 | JademusSreg | If the lobby slots are closed, then the game should start once the first 8 fill. |
| 04:47.28 | Lepton | I told you I tried it... |
| 04:47.54 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 04:50.46 | Demo | What's a good model to represent a dead person? |
| 04:51.59 | JademusSreg | Demo, WoL or HotS? |
| 04:52.09 | Demo | WoL |
| 04:52.25 | Demo | I have HoTS but I'd rather not do that |
| 04:52.53 | JademusSreg | Use the death model, freeze it mid animation. |
| 04:53.08 | Demo | of the unit? |
| 04:53.58 | JademusSreg | Yeah, basically. Beats a generic dead civilian model. |
| 04:54.34 | Demo | certain units don't have a death model that you can see though |
| 04:54.49 | Demo | I was thinking a bloody pile or a flag, or even a tombstone |
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| 05:59.47 | Wrath | What's goin' on? |
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| 06:40.27 | Wrath | Hey Demo: Are you here? |
| 06:40.35 | Demo | kind of |
| 06:40.49 | Wrath | Can I ask how you did the tinting of your models? |
| 06:41.00 | Wrath | Were you tinting separate textures or just the whole unit? |
| 06:41.47 | Demo | actor messages |
| 06:41.51 | Wrath | I've seen a video before where somebody was changing the color of specific parts of the units |
| 06:41.56 | Wrath | Not the entire unit |
| 06:42.05 | Wrath | Were you doing that or just tinting the whole thing? |
| 06:42.07 | Demo | mine was the entire unit |
| 06:42.12 | Wrath | Mmm, okay. |
| 06:42.16 | Wrath | Thanks. |
| 06:42.22 | Demo | textures make things look odd |
| 06:44.10 | Demo | I was replacing textures and tinting |
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| 06:55.51 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 06:56.06 | Wrath | JADEMUS |
| 06:56.07 | JademusSreg | That was Kueken's demo, Wrath. |
| 06:56.15 | Wrath | K |
| 06:56.21 | Kueken | ? |
| 06:56.28 | Wrath | I was wondering how you did your |
| 06:56.32 | JademusSreg | It employed modified assets, so not a general case solution. |
| 06:56.33 | Wrath | Texture recoloring |
| 06:56.35 | JademusSreg | But still clever. |
| 06:56.56 | Kueken | yeah, team color and model editing |
| 06:57.02 | Wrath | Ah. :( |
| 06:57.09 | Wrath | Mucking with assets is not my forte. |
| 06:57.19 | Kueken | not necessary with all models, though |
| 06:57.50 | Kueken | if they use the correct blend type, it works with just modifying the textures, which is not that hard to do |
| 06:58.11 | Wrath | Hmm. |
| 06:59.15 | JademusSreg | I'm not much for modifying assets, but the results can be quite nice. https://www.dropbox.com/s/luzs19q2ke1i7k7/Phase%207.jpg |
| 06:59.35 | Wrath | Nice |
| 06:59.38 | Wrath | Hard tile right |
| 06:59.53 | JademusSreg | Had Zolden enable some material settings on a hardtile material model. |
| 07:00.07 | JademusSreg | Which allows me to hexedit the texture references as needed. |
| 07:00.47 | JademusSreg | So I've got a "template" hardtile model which supports diffuse, spec, emissive, and normal. |
| 07:02.20 | JademusSreg | Point being that if you're gonna modify assets, do it with versatility in mind. Modifying a few materials shouldn't be terribly difficult. |
| 07:02.40 | Wrath | I'm a complete novice when it comes to modifying assets |
| 07:02.47 | Wrath | Either way I should avoid embarking on such a project |
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| 07:03.08 | Wrath | If I really want to make my own map I need to lay the foundation first |
| 07:03.12 | Wrath | I always distract myself lol |
| 07:03.41 | Wrath | So, I know what my "The Stuff" as you called it is |
| 07:03.51 | JademusSreg | (I should point out those are three different types of hardtiles. Large stone, sidewalk, and plated road.) |
| 07:04.40 | Wrath | I think |
| 07:04.49 | Wrath | I want one big central area |
| 07:04.58 | Wrath | With an allied city at the center |
| 07:05.13 | Wrath | Locations around the outside can take you into dungeons |
| 07:05.16 | Wrath | The question is |
| 07:05.28 | Wrath | Do I want dungeons and/or quests to be procedurally generated |
| 07:06.28 | JademusSreg | Unless you have some amazing story to tell, don't see much point in a statically defined environment. |
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| 08:07.34 | Sarah__ | who wants to help me figure out how to make it save |
| 08:08.55 | Sarah__ | ThunderLord |
| 08:09.16 | Sarah__ | do u wana help me figure out how to make it save |
| 08:32.05 | JademusSreg | Save a value to a bank? |
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| 08:45.26 | Sarah__ | wow uninstalled some stuff my computer is so much faster now |
| 08:52.23 | JademusSreg | Saving a value to a bank is fairly simple. |
| 08:55.19 | JademusSreg | Assuming you've already preloaded the bank (either from the preload list or the GUI action that adds the bank literal to the preload list), opened the bank, set it to a variable, you'd simply call the action to save the type of value to the bank. |
| 08:57.12 | G0A | any idea why are those models pink: http://youtu.be/n6EhUou9qdc?t=13m8s ? (its not model splat that I use as splat with texture select id) |
| 08:58.31 | Wrath | That hardly seems enough information to go on, even to me - and I know nothing on the topic. |
| 09:10.54 | G0A | * it happens with very few ppl |
| 09:11.33 | Wrath | Ahhh |
| 09:11.37 | Wrath | That is information to go on. |
| 09:11.49 | Wrath | But I still don't know anything about it. :) |
| 09:21.06 | JademusSreg | Click. |
| 09:21.43 | JademusSreg | That. Is. Hilarious. |
| 09:22.03 | JademusSreg | It's so pretty in pink. |
| 09:22.50 | Wrath | Yeah, you should just leave it. ;) |
| 09:25.25 | Wrath | I'm watching Neon Genesis Evangelion. I think it might be my favorite anime. |
| 09:30.36 | JademusSreg | Splat model missing a texture. |
| 09:30.47 | JademusSreg | Or from the look of it, all the textures. |
| 09:37.44 | DeadZergling | rather than fix it, he could just rename his map barbie fun time adventures |
| 09:37.51 | DeadZergling | makes the pink a feature |
| 09:41.29 | JademusSreg | Yes. Hell yes. Hell fucking yes. Barbie Fun Time Squadron. |
| 09:44.41 | DeadZergling | imagine if it got popular |
| 09:44.58 | DeadZergling | bunch of guys playing Barbie Fun Time nonstop |
| 09:45.54 | JademusSreg | Hm. Need original IP for sustained success, but yeah, badass. |
| 09:46.33 | DeadZergling | BFT, where skill goes to play! |
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| 10:09.18 | DeadZergling | hi GOA, had a great plan for fixing your issue |
| 10:09.32 | DeadZergling | just rename the map to Barbie Fun Time Adventures |
| 10:09.38 | DeadZergling | the pink is now a feature |
| 10:10.18 | G0A | :D |
| 10:10.47 | G0A | did anyone suggest a fix? |
| 10:11.16 | DeadZergling | jade mentioned that splat model missing a texture |
| 10:11.26 | DeadZergling | or from the look of it, all the textues |
| 10:11.29 | DeadZergling | *textures |
| 10:14.23 | G0A | but it only happens just for some players |
| 10:16.10 | DeadZergling | probably only shows up for certain players because they all had similar graphic settings |
| 10:16.14 | JademusSreg | Without knowing their configuration of settings and hardware, one could only guess. |
| 10:16.19 | Wrath | Some players must just be extra fabulous. :) |
| 10:16.23 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 10:17.00 | G0A | :D |
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| 12:55.22 | G0A | hmm http://prize.hutter1.net/ |
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| 13:45.46 | Gluon | anyone here really good with variants? |
| 13:49.01 | Gluon | G0A! |
| 13:49.05 | Gluon | hi |
| 13:57.06 | G0A | hi |
| 13:57.17 | G0A | what do you want with variants? |
| 13:57.39 | Gluon | i want to fill slots with computer |
| 13:57.44 | Gluon | in game variants |
| 13:57.58 | Gluon | it doesnt let me do it, I get error when trying to publish |
| 13:58.37 | Gluon | only happens when I put 1 or more computers as controllers in game variants |
| 14:01.51 | G0A | I dont have map with computers, but anyway what does the error say? |
| 14:02.59 | Gluon | unable to validate game variants |
| 14:03.55 | Gluon | "variant definition could not be validated" |
| 14:04.54 | A1win | what do your player properties look like? those can sometimes make variants not work |
| 14:05.22 | A1win | like you should not set race for any player/computere in the player properties |
| 14:05.28 | A1win | *computer |
| 14:05.29 | Gluon | all users |
| 14:05.32 | Gluon | as controller |
| 14:05.41 | Gluon | rest is default |
| 14:05.47 | Gluon | and they each have the same starting location |
| 14:05.58 | A1win | mm that sounds fine then |
| 14:06.09 | Gluon | collor:any race:any |
| 14:06.18 | A1win | how complicated is the variant? you could just try resetting it and redoing |
| 14:06.37 | Gluon | not that much |
| 14:06.47 | Gluon | http://imgur.com/KgK9sLK |
| 14:07.24 | A1win | I'm not sure if you can lock the controller as computer |
| 14:07.39 | Gluon | uhm |
| 14:07.42 | Gluon | let me try to not lock it |
| 14:08.03 | A1win | set it computer in player properties and leave it Open or something |
| 14:08.57 | Gluon | thing is I need those players to be users in another variant |
| 14:09.44 | Gluon | A1win, it failed again, with comps unlocked |
| 14:10.40 | Gluon | anyway, i wasted 3 hours trying ot fix it yesterday |
| 14:10.56 | Gluon | i got two more questions regarding variants though |
| 14:11.20 | Gluon | 1. is there a way to get a hold of the game variant selected, with a trigger? |
| 14:12.00 | A1win | you can make a game attribute and lock its value to a different one for each variant, and get the value of that attribute with triggers |
| 14:12.05 | Gluon | 2. is there a fix to the bug that deleted a team in lobby when its a 1 player team and you move a player from it? |
| 14:12.47 | Gluon | thats a good idea A1win |
| 14:13.26 | A1win | it's the only way I think |
| 14:13.59 | A1win | dunno about the rest, the lobby is a horrid contraption so I've avoided trying to do any fancy stuff with it |
| 14:16.17 | Gluon | yea true |
| 14:16.22 | Gluon | its such a mess |
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| 15:01.54 | SyCo | Can someone please help me with a pathing bug I have on a Mazing TD? |
| 15:03.04 | G0A | whats it? |
| 15:03.23 | G0A | I am expert on the issue:D |
| 15:04.05 | SyCo | I have 3 points the waves must touch |
| 15:04.20 | SyCo | I have path displays set up for each one |
| 15:04.57 | SyCo | I have a trigger that checks (Pathing cost between (Center of Start1) and (Center of 1End)) == 65536 (Pathing cost between (Center of Start1) and (Center of 1Point2)) == 65536 (Pathing cost between (Center of Start1) and (Center of 1Point1)) == 65536 |
| 15:05.19 | SyCo | and then it kills the unit for trying to block |
| 15:05.38 | SyCo | I have those 3 condictions as an or |
| 15:05.57 | SyCo | but I can block any 2 without it working |
| 15:06.07 | SyCo | just cant block the third |
| 15:06.36 | SyCo | I am using 2x2 doodad footprints |
| 15:07.01 | SyCo | and wave has a 1 radius and seperation |
| 15:07.38 | SyCo | if I change the trigger to only check one of the three points it doesnt work at all.... |
| 15:07.40 | SyCo | so weird |
| 15:08.48 | SyCo | any thoughts? |
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| 15:14.50 | eimtr | hey does any1 know why the medivac upgrade model won't change decal when actor message is sent or even when i use the model? it seems to use player 2 default decal |
| 15:15.01 | eimtr | but even if i change player's decal it still remains something else |
| 15:17.46 | G0A | SyCo well it should work in theory. Must be somewhere else the problem than the trigger. Or maybe just use I have a trigger that checks (Pathing cost between (Center of Start1) and (Center of 1End)) > 60000 instead of == 65536 |
| 15:20.38 | G0A | also you can always debug by making text message which shows the pathing cost between the points... |
| 15:20.49 | SyCo | okay NVM found my error.... got it working |
| 15:20.59 | G0A | what was it?:D |
| 15:21.44 | G0A | btw if you allow people to build under wave, than they can exploit the map, specially if you can sell buildings. |
| 15:22.07 | SyCo | my tower doesnt have a footprint, I have my tower(units) ontop on platforms and those have footprints and I create them when the unit is made but I was doing the check before the footprint platform was made |
| 15:22.25 | SyCo | you can't sell |
| 15:22.29 | SyCo | so no juggling |
| 15:23.36 | G0A | still if they will spam the building under the wave, than there will be a chance that you trigger doesnt removes the building fast enough and the creeps change course. |
| 15:23.52 | G0A | your* |
| 15:24.39 | eimtr | Medivac Upgrade model doesnt wanna change the decal and i think it's not part of the texture. any idea |
| 15:24.46 | eimtr | it's the model not the data.. |
| 15:25.51 | SyCo | I don't think they can do that GOA the way I went around doing things.... |
| 15:26.27 | SyCo | but wrost case I just disable making the towers durring a wave. |
| 15:27.53 | G0A | they can... |
| 15:28.14 | G0A | though probably nobody will do it... |
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| 15:52.07 | eimtr | is there a way to send actor message to tint a decal? Somehow the model always makes all colorfull decals whtie |
| 15:52.09 | eimtr | whtie |
| 15:52.13 | eimtr | white |
| 16:02.28 | Gluon | is there a quick way to turn all organic cliffs into manmade cliffs? |
| 16:02.48 | Gluon | G0A, |
| 16:03.04 | A1win | I think you can do it with the map textures interface |
| 16:03.26 | A1win | replace one cliff type with something else, replace organic with manmade, replace the other with organic |
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| 16:04.26 | Gluon | not sure what y ou mean |
| 16:05.12 | A1win | in Map - Map Textures you can replace textures and cliffs in your current texture set with textures and cliffs from other sets |
| 16:05.30 | Gluon | ohh |
| 16:05.41 | Gluon | nice |
| 16:05.41 | Gluon | tks |
| 16:09.15 | Gluon | worked like a charms tks |
| 16:11.31 | G0A | eimtr set team color? |
| 16:13.43 | Dustin | http://www.cgsource.net/jetcraft-beta.html |
| 16:13.51 | Dustin | Jetcraft was alpha released |
| 16:31.19 | eimtr | can anyone open the Medivac Upgrade model and see what flag or option makes all decals to be white and colored decals to also become whiter? |
| 16:32.14 | eimtr | forget it |
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| 17:14.41 | Gluon | if you have two lobby teams |
| 17:14.47 | Gluon | first is team 1 and second is team 5 |
| 17:15.04 | Gluon | then you grab through trigger player group from team 2 |
| 17:15.15 | Gluon | it wont return players in team 5 right? |
| 17:21.49 | Ahli | team 5 is team 5 and not team 2 |
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| 17:31.32 | Gluon | yea but its weird |
| 17:31.55 | Gluon | my trigger to find who is playing and not obsing doesnt work |
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| 17:32.51 | Gluon | http://pastebin.com/uAf4eZFJ |
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| 17:43.26 | Gluon | G0A, A1win, any idea whats wrong with this? http://pastebin.com/uAf4eZFJ |
| 17:43.48 | Gluon | i know it seems over complicated, but it still should work right? |
| 17:44.29 | A1win | I can't even figure out what it's supposed to do |
| 17:45.27 | Gluon | make a player group of all the players in team 1 or 2 or 3...or 8 |
| 17:45.33 | Gluon | and exclude players in team 9 |
| 17:46.04 | A1win | errm... just do for each integer x from 1 to 8: add (players in team x) to player group |
| 17:46.06 | Gluon | i could try just removing players on team 9 from i i guess |
| 17:46.22 | A1win | using "add player group to player group" action |
| 17:48.15 | Gluon | uhm |
| 17:48.20 | Gluon | that sounds simpler |
| 17:49.28 | Gluon | but it needs to be an active player |
| 17:50.09 | A1win | ah |
| 17:50.15 | Gluon | lets say a team is left empty in the lobby |
| 17:50.25 | Gluon | will it still add a player? |
| 17:50.28 | Gluon | or will it do nothing |
| 17:50.53 | A1win | for each integer x from 1 to 8: for each player p in (players in team x): if (player x is in active players): add player x to player group |
| 17:51.19 | Gluon | or maybe set group=active players |
| 17:51.23 | A1win | I don't know, I haven't used lobby teams |
| 17:51.26 | Gluon | then remove players in team 9 from player group |
| 17:52.53 | Zandose | try something like this? http://pastebin.com/1fd1GMG2 |
| 17:54.22 | Gluon | good one |
| 17:54.54 | Zandose | your code looks comfusing and cant tell what its trying to do with the loop and team thing |
| 17:55.03 | Zandose | what are you trying to do |
| 17:55.05 | Zandose | ? |
| 17:55.55 | Zandose | counting the number of players which are on a team and adding them all to one tournament team? |
| 17:57.30 | Gluon | you gotta ping me Zandose ! |
| 17:57.45 | Zandose | i do? |
| 17:57.50 | Gluon | i think your suggestion will work |
| 17:57.57 | Gluon | imma go test it |
| 17:58.32 | Zandose | ok. but whats the end-game? |
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| 17:58.50 | Gluon | end game? |
| 17:59.20 | Zandose | what are you trying to make/do |
| 18:00.16 | Gluon | oh |
| 18:00.31 | Zandose | one big team player group, seperate groups for each team containing the players on that team |
| 18:00.33 | Gluon | was trying to make a group that is all active players exccept those that are in team 9 |
| 18:00.40 | Zandose | oh |
| 18:00.56 | Gluon | yea im ashamed now |
| 18:01.48 | Zandose | you live, to learn |
| 18:01.55 | Zandose | you live, you learn |
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| 18:02.10 | Gluon | hehe |
| 18:02.15 | Gluon | Kueken! |
| 18:02.24 | Kueken | thats me |
| 18:03.10 | Gluon | hihi |
| 18:04.29 | Zandose | http://pastebin.com/vzwwWptC |
| 18:05.17 | Zandose | ^ might cause computer players to be added too. correction possible upon reruest |
| 18:05.20 | Zandose | request* |
| 18:06.14 | Zandose | ever have that problem where you come back to your map a day later and have no idea where you left off and what you need to do? |
| 18:15.02 | Zandose | if your on youtube and you change the video size does it also effect the quality of the audio or is it just a standard audio file for all sizes? |
| 18:15.54 | Zandose | never mind, i found my answer |
| 18:25.28 | Zandose | everyones so quite |
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| 18:43.41 | eimtr | hi, does any1 know how can i fix the Medivac Upgrade model? It always makes the decals white even if they are colored, it seems to be set in the 3D model not in the data editor |
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| 18:51.00 | eimtr | i will just use site operations to imitate a decal placed above... |
| 18:52.20 | eimtr | which site operation can tilt the object? like pitch angle |
| 18:55.07 | eimtr | also i want to use one model actor to attach to two attachment points and position them exactly where i want, do I need a separate model actor that has Hosting a separate positioning SOp? or can I create or attach one model actor and offset it without site oeprations? |
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| 19:08.24 | eimtr | can i add a site operation as Hosting to another actor via triggers? e.g actor has no hosting actors but with triggers I add a site oepration to that actor |
| 19:12.05 | eimtr | ..... |
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| 19:49.26 | Zandose | pink |
| 19:50.56 | Gluon | how do you increase attack speed on a melee unit? |
| 19:51.03 | Gluon | like rate of fire |
| 19:58.50 | G0A | the same way you increase it on a range unit:D |
| 19:59.11 | Gluon | found it nvm |
| 19:59.22 | Gluon | yea I was looking on the unit directly |
| 19:59.25 | Gluon | had to look in his weapon |
| 19:59.39 | Gluon | i thought it didnt have a weapon |
| 19:59.41 | Gluon | since its melee |
| 19:59.43 | Gluon | hehe |
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| 20:30.14 | Zandose | would it be bad if i made 123712 actors? |
| 20:37.19 | Kueken | if they are all visible on screen, probably |
| 20:39.00 | Zandose | they aren't. just wondering if theirs a limit |
| 20:50.02 | Kueken | maybe |
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| 21:03.04 | Somerandomdude | damn not here -_- |
| 21:06.08 | MoonEater | kueken |
| 21:06.15 | MoonEater | Kueken |
| 21:09.56 | Zandose | so, if you had 4719 actors/models (or doodads) on the screen would that cause a problem? |
| 21:11.05 | Somerandomdude | yes. |
| 21:11.14 | Somerandomdude | Even downsized, thats quite a bit :P |
| 21:11.41 | Somerandomdude | Anything over about 1k will get pretty heavy |
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| 21:35.05 | Kueken | Zandose: Also heavily depends on the kind of actor |
| 21:36.02 | Kueken | there are already a lot of actors behind the scenes, like action actors use tons of site actors and model actors for all their different effects, you have scene actors handling some other stuff etc etc |
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| 22:02.46 | Zandose | I'm using triggers to create model actors. Are their any tricks to fix the problem of using too many actors at once? I've used camera farclip to limit the number of actors the player can see at one time to 50 range. anything else? |
| 22:03.08 | Zandose | upscaling models to take more room and use less actors? |
| 22:04.05 | Zandose | 123123 |
| 22:06.41 | Zandose | oops. that was meant for a different computer |
| 22:15.18 | Kueken | MoonEater: |
| 22:15.41 | MoonEater | if i move dependacy up or down |
| 22:15.49 | MoonEater | that changes thier priority |
| 22:24.48 | Kueken | ...and? |
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| 22:29.57 | Zandose | is there a limit in triggers for creating the same actor 12800 times? most of the actor-models are made but i get some error messages saying "could not create actor" |
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| 23:30.14 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 23:31.28 | JademusSreg | Zan, try the ActorDumpLive command, see if the log file has any useful information. |
| 23:33.13 | JademusSreg | Alternately, try a 0.0625 game time Wait,As it could be a limit-per-update. |
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| 23:38.44 | Zandose | k |
| 23:39.30 | Zandose | wheres ActorDumpLive located? |
