| 00:00.08 | Sarah__ | i want max lvl 10 be 100 |
| 00:00.19 | Sarah__ | to* |
| 00:00.28 | ThunderLord | ehhh, it wont be too bad |
| 00:00.47 | ThunderLord | you can copy paste the first level 99 times |
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| 00:01.01 | Sarah__ | then i need to seet max experience |
| 00:01.02 | ThunderLord | so really you only need to make one level |
| 00:01.31 | Sarah__ | having the same amount of xp for every lvl |
| 00:01.42 | ThunderLord | in an update, they made it so that like, if you set max experience for all of them to like say, 100, then it like adds them up, so you need 300 exp for level 3 |
| 00:01.55 | Sarah__ | ok |
| 00:02.02 | ThunderLord | so if you want it to take 100 exp to level, then just set it to 100 |
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| 00:02.29 | Sarah__ | each lvl is 150 xp |
| 00:02.38 | Sarah__ | or 200 |
| 00:03.18 | ThunderLord | so in the info for the veterency, you want to make one level, set the min experience to 150, go to the units part of the behavior and find the bonus life part and set that to 5, bonus regen to .05 and then go to combat and find the damage and set those to 3, then all you need to do is Copy paste that behavior 99 times |
| 00:03.29 | egod | i looking for 6xPLAYER testing my map online ...anyone??????? |
| 00:04.04 | Sarah__ | 0.05 |
| 00:04.48 | ThunderLord | it will be under the Vital Max Bonus, and Vital Regen Bonus on the Units section of that level |
| 00:08.34 | Sarah__ | oh no |
| 00:08.45 | ThunderLord | ? |
| 00:09.11 | Sarah__ | i forgot to do the levelgn effect |
| 00:09.26 | ThunderLord | you dont need to worry about that |
| 00:09.38 | Sarah__ | and it wont stop coppying |
| 00:09.44 | ThunderLord | lol |
| 00:10.07 | ThunderLord | yeah you prolly just have to give it some time to coppy as many times as you pressed CTRL V |
| 00:10.37 | Sarah__ | ok ill be waiting aabout a hour |
| 00:11.00 | ThunderLord | lol, i think it capps at a certain point |
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| 00:11.38 | Sarah__ | its at 164 |
| 00:11.50 | ThunderLord | i think it might cap at 255 |
| 00:11.55 | ThunderLord | not 100% tho |
| 00:11.56 | Sarah__ | ok |
| 00:12.10 | ThunderLord | you must have pressed it alot XD |
| 00:12.17 | Sarah__ | hopefully it caps at 200 |
| 00:12.23 | Sarah__ | i held it down |
| 00:12.28 | ThunderLord | ohhhhh |
| 00:14.31 | Sarah__ | k dosent caos at 200 |
| 00:15.07 | Sarah__ | caps* |
| 00:15.18 | ThunderLord | ill brb, if it finishes before i come back, all u should need to do is go to the units tab, find the unit you waht to level, go to its behaviors+ field and add your experience behavior |
| 00:15.19 | ThunderLord | brb |
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| 00:16.28 | Sarah__ | k now its counting down lvls |
| 00:18.22 | ThunderLord | back |
| 00:18.27 | ThunderLord | counting down? |
| 00:18.40 | Sarah__ | removeing levels |
| 00:18.57 | ThunderLord | woah thats weird |
| 00:19.20 | ThunderLord | hummmm |
| 00:19.22 | Sarah__ | actuly its probly because i pressed that alot too |
| 00:19.28 | ThunderLord | oh lol |
| 00:19.29 | ThunderLord | yeah |
| 00:19.35 | Sarah__ | but that was after it got over 100 |
| 00:20.12 | ThunderLord | well it should be getting close to being done :P |
| 00:24.20 | Sarah__ | now how do u make it so levels give u life damage and liferegen |
| 00:24.59 | ThunderLord | oh you didnt do that yet \ : |
| 00:25.02 | ThunderLord | ummm |
| 00:25.03 | ThunderLord | well |
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| 00:25.29 | ThunderLord | you need to set that up for 1 level, and then once you do that for one level, you have to copy paste that level |
| 00:25.54 | ThunderLord | but to do it |
| 00:26.04 | ThunderLord | you select one level in the veterency tabl |
| 00:26.07 | ThunderLord | tab" |
| 00:26.47 | ThunderLord | click where it says "Unit" scroll down, and set where it says Vital Max Bonus, under life to 5, and the Vital Regen Bonus under life to .05 |
| 00:27.14 | Sarah__ | u do what |
| 00:27.50 | ThunderLord | select the first level |
| 00:28.13 | ThunderLord | and just under that there will be several tabs, Behavior, Combat, Unit, Weapon etc. |
| 00:28.14 | Sarah__ | select level 0 |
| 00:28.20 | ThunderLord | click on unit |
| 00:28.30 | ThunderLord | and scroll down and find where it says Vital Max Bonus |
| 00:28.59 | Sarah__ | k |
| 00:29.16 | ThunderLord | set the life on the Vital Max Bonus to 5 |
| 00:29.28 | ThunderLord | then do the same with the Vital Regen Bonus and set it to .05 |
| 00:31.23 | ThunderLord | then go to the Combat section |
| 00:32.02 | Sarah__ | k |
| 00:32.14 | ThunderLord | and set all 4 of the damage types under Damage Dealt (Scaled) to 3 |
| 00:33.37 | ThunderLord | u can do whatever you want but 3 seems a bit high to me |
| 00:33.50 | ThunderLord | it will be kinda hard to change later |
| 00:34.02 | ThunderLord | if u wana change it you have to do that copy paste thing again |
| 00:36.16 | Sarah__ | k now i have do the copy and paste thing agin |
| 00:36.54 | ThunderLord | yeah |
| 00:37.11 | ThunderLord | u will want to clear all the ones that are already in there, Except for the one u just added the bonuses too |
| 00:38.41 | Sarah__ | k now to wait |
| 00:39.28 | Sarah__ | then press a button a few times then wait |
| 00:39.45 | ThunderLord | yup |
| 00:41.33 | Sarah__ | i hope it dosent delete my lvl 0 |
| 00:42.10 | Sarah__ | now it wont matter |
| 00:46.24 | Sarah__ | hope i dident hold it to long |
| 00:46.36 | Sarah__ | brb |
| 00:46.44 | ThunderLord | if u did, u can use CTRL Z to undo one of the deletes |
| 00:48.38 | AndChat-453921 | Hihi |
| 00:48.49 | AndChat-453921 | Oh damn |
| 00:49.19 | MoonEater_mobile | There |
| 00:49.23 | MoonEater_mobile | Hihi |
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| 00:49.53 | sarah__ | back |
| 00:50.28 | Kueken | MoonEater_mobile: yes, I am alive |
| 00:50.41 | MoonEater_mobile | Lol did I ask? |
| 00:50.41 | Kueken | for now |
| 00:50.49 | Kueken | I think so |
| 00:51.11 | MoonEater_mobile | Uh.... did I butt msg u? |
| 00:51.32 | Kueken | (19:27:02) AndChat|453921: Kueken? |
| 00:51.50 | Kueken | (19:27:08) AndChat|453921: U alive? |
| 00:52.20 | Kueken | that would be you, no? |
| 00:52.50 | MoonEater_mobile | Lol look at time stamp |
| 00:52.56 | Kueken | I know |
| 00:53.11 | MoonEater_mobile | That was yesterday |
| 00:53.23 | Kueken | well, some people need 3 days to respawn |
| 00:54.52 | sarah__ | now how do u put the lvls on a unit |
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| 00:55.54 | MoonEater_mobile | Lol |
| 00:56.11 | MoonEater_mobile | U have veterancy? |
| 00:56.33 | sarah__ | yep |
| 00:56.41 | MoonEater_mobile | Lol she must have con issues |
| 00:56.42 | sarah__ | it took me about a hoour to do it too |
| 00:57.13 | MoonEater_mobile | It should acquire levels automatically |
| 00:57.20 | MoonEater_mobile | Make a test |
| 00:57.32 | sarah__ | but i need to know how to put it on a unit |
| 00:57.38 | MoonEater_mobile | Ull spend @ least 50% in tests |
| 00:57.44 | MoonEater_mobile | Ahh |
| 00:57.50 | MoonEater_mobile | Ahh the ability |
| 00:57.57 | ThunderLord | oh |
| 00:58.01 | ThunderLord | to put it on a unit |
| 00:58.04 | ThunderLord | u go to that unit |
| 00:58.06 | MoonEater_mobile | To the unit like other abilities |
| 00:58.06 | ThunderLord | under behaviors |
| 00:58.16 | MoonEater_mobile | Other behaviors*** |
| 00:58.17 | ThunderLord | add the veterency behavior you just made |
| 00:58.28 | ThunderLord | not abilities!!! |
| 00:58.34 | ThunderLord | :P |
| 01:00.09 | MoonEater_mobile | Well fk me |
| 01:00.24 | MoonEater_mobile | I got beach not editor open |
| 01:01.30 | sarah__ | k |
| 01:01.49 | sarah__ | nolw how do u something drop a item |
| 01:01.55 | sarah__ | now* |
| 01:02.01 | sarah__ | and how do you make an item |
| 01:03.25 | sarah__ | that gives + damage |
| 01:03.39 | sarah__ | + armor |
| 01:03.49 | sarah__ | or + liferegen |
| 01:03.57 | MoonEater_mobile | catches fire from being a pasty nerd in the sun |
| 01:04.01 | sarah__ | or + energyregen |
| 01:04.06 | MoonEater_mobile | Waaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!! |
| 01:04.35 | MoonEater_mobile | I wish I can help but I has no editor |
| 01:04.41 | MoonEater_mobile | Or water |
| 01:05.09 | MoonEater_mobile | Krueken |
| 01:05.21 | MoonEater_mobile | Kueken |
| 01:05.31 | Kueken | ? |
| 01:06.06 | MoonEater_mobile | My vortex isn't working right |
| 01:06.30 | sarah__ | now i must test my game |
| 01:06.41 | ThunderLord | yeah |
| 01:06.54 | sarah__ | even tho its not finished |
| 01:06.56 | sarah__ | i wana try it |
| 01:07.23 | ThunderLord | there are tutorials on SC2 mapster that can help u with item stuff, i actually gotta go for awhile |
| 01:07.35 | ThunderLord | ill talk to you all later |
| 01:08.23 | Kueken | interesting, MoonEater_mobile |
| 01:08.38 | Kueken | do you have a question? |
| 01:08.55 | sarah__ | my bag only has 1 slot |
| 01:09.43 | JademusSreg | Baduntsss |
| 01:10.15 | Kueken | that sounds... |
| 01:10.19 | Kueken | I am not even sure |
| 01:10.21 | JademusSreg | Item Container. |
| 01:10.40 | MoonEater_mobile | Sorry the girls r bugging me |
| 01:10.50 | MoonEater_mobile | go kills girls |
| 01:10.53 | JademusSreg | It defines the size, number of item slots, iirc. |
| 01:12.28 | JademusSreg | ~MoonEater |
| 01:12.28 | purl | hmm... mooneater is a momma hamster, devouring its young. |
| 01:16.07 | MoonEater_mobile | Wtf I hate that bot |
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| 01:19.38 | MoonEater_mobile | Anyways the vortex ability doesn't remove units from play |
| 01:19.44 | MoonEater_mobile | They just stack there |
| 01:19.55 | MoonEater_mobile | Its a in modified art an is vortex |
| 01:20.11 | Lokazi | Hello I was wondering if anyone had some experience with modifying the Observer Overlays =X I am having difficulty editing the Assets.txt file used to call up some .dds I want to use |
| 01:20.13 | MoonEater_mobile | Artanis |
| 01:20.50 | MoonEater_mobile | U can call up tga also |
| 01:21.06 | MoonEater_mobile | Usaly*** |
| 01:22.29 | sarah__ | how do i make it so in my game i can type something and ill get it |
| 01:22.56 | JademusSreg | Depends. |
| 01:23.02 | MoonEater_mobile | Triggers |
| 01:23.09 | JademusSreg | If it's just for debugging, you use debug commands. |
| 01:23.54 | sarah__ | i mean like in my game i type -level (number) and im that level |
| 01:24.02 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/general/debug-commands/ |
| 01:24.28 | sarah__ | how do i make it so i can do that |
| 01:24.42 | MoonEater_mobile | Triggera |
| 01:24.54 | JademusSreg | Use the XP command; it's easier. |
| 01:25.22 | JademusSreg | Otherwise, one would need to trigger it, which seems like extraneous effort. |
| 01:25.22 | sarah__ | and how do i make it so levels save |
| 01:25.41 | sarah__ | and items |
| 01:25.47 | JademusSreg | Bank actions are needed to save. |
| 01:26.04 | sarah__ | k how do u do that |
| 01:26.05 | MoonEater_mobile | I like triggers cause u can always unit it even when our not In debug mode^ |
| 01:27.02 | sarah__ | i started useing editor today |
| 01:27.22 | sarah__ | how do u make it so it saves? |
| 01:27.32 | JademusSreg | Moon, test map == debug mode, basically. Triggering functionality is not always necessary, and if you want that sort of thing during actual gameplay, that's not quite fair, haha. |
| 01:28.05 | sarah__ | i have no triggers yet |
| 01:28.46 | sarah__ | so how do u make it so it saves |
| 01:29.01 | sarah__ | and how do u make players be allys |
| 01:29.04 | JademusSreg | Saving the information requires preloading the bank for the players, loading, setting values to a given key, and saving. Best time to load is around map init, best time to save is periodically and/or when the player is leaving the game. |
| 01:29.43 | sarah__ | i dident understand that |
| 01:30.04 | MoonEater_mobile | Developer's poragative |
| 01:30.20 | MoonEater_mobile | Jade today is her first time opening the editor |
| 01:30.30 | MoonEater_mobile | U need to be more detailed |
| 01:30.41 | JademusSreg | Advisable to seek out tutorials for handling banks, since I don't have the patience for detailed walk-throughs step-by-step. |
| 01:30.42 | MoonEater_mobile | And u should have her make tutorials for the site |
| 01:31.12 | MoonEater_mobile | I do! |
| 01:31.19 | MoonEater_mobile | I'm bored |
| 01:31.31 | JademusSreg | https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Asc2mapster.com+bank+tutorial&oq=site%3Asc2mapster.com+bank+tutorial |
| 01:33.10 | MoonEater_mobile | Just type me name completely with caps to make me beep and notice u |
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| 01:50.52 | sarah__ | how do u make it so u can type -(item name) and get that item? |
| 01:56.01 | Ahli | with triggers? chat message is the event. |
| 02:17.20 | Lokazi | I cannot get my Assets.txt file to call up the assets I have imported, do I need to modify some type of master assets file... or can I just import my own assets file with my .dds's listed? |
| 02:24.20 | sarah__ | k i think i got it so it will save |
| 02:24.32 | sarah__ | how do u make ppl be allys |
| 02:25.10 | sarah__ | MOONEATER |
| 02:25.21 | Ahli | set alliance trigger action |
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| 02:27.38 | Zandose | can the game handle 2048 actors at once? |
| 02:28.52 | Ahli | Zandose: yes |
| 02:29.17 | sarah__ | k |
| 02:29.25 | Zandose | i just want to avoid lag and wonder how many actors the game can handle at once |
| 02:29.57 | sarah__ | hey how do u make it so u can type -level (number) and ur that lvl |
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| 02:30.20 | MoonEater_mobile | Back |
| 02:30.23 | MoonEater_mobile | Lol I dced |
| 02:30.30 | MoonEater_mobile | Howdy! |
| 02:30.43 | sarah__ | how do u make it so u can type -level (number) and ur that lvl? |
| 02:31.16 | Zandose | i assume using a trigger |
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| 02:31.31 | Ahli | you get the substring of the entered chat message |
| 02:31.49 | Ahli | and try to convert that string as an integer |
| 02:32.02 | Ahli | and then you set the level |
| 02:34.49 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.53 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.42 | sarah__ | how can u make it so it only works for u |
| 02:40.36 | sarah__ | and i dident understand that |
| 02:51.58 | Dogmai | sarah__: what are you making? |
| 02:52.19 | sarah__ | im making a game |
| 02:52.47 | Dogmai | what type |
| 02:52.59 | sarah__ | im making a rpg |
| 02:53.06 | Dogmai | an open rpg? |
| 02:53.13 | sarah__ | open rpg? |
| 02:53.21 | Dogmai | nevermind |
| 02:53.27 | Dogmai | so you are making a normal rpg |
| 02:53.34 | Dogmai | if you want to type -item |
| 02:53.40 | Dogmai | there are two ways of doing |
| 02:53.42 | Dogmai | it |
| 02:53.56 | Dogmai | 1) you can use catalogs to reference the name |
| 02:54.08 | Dogmai | 2) you can create an array and put all the items in there and use that |
| 02:54.24 | Dogmai | i recommend the latter |
| 02:54.36 | sarah__ | this is the first time iv used editor |
| 02:54.37 | Dogmai | so you would have something like: |
| 02:54.44 | Dogmai | o_O |
| 02:54.53 | Dogmai | do you know the basics of programming |
| 02:54.58 | Dogmai | things like variables, arrays and loops |
| 02:55.15 | sarah__ | things wrong with my game inventory only has 1 slot |
| 02:55.24 | Dogmai | thats data |
| 02:55.29 | Dogmai | you have to change something |
| 02:55.34 | sarah__ | i dident make any items yet |
| 02:55.35 | Dogmai | that is not my side of the editor |
| 02:55.47 | Dogmai | you should google how to learn the basics of programming tutorials |
| 02:55.52 | Dogmai | even though it wont be in the sc2editor |
| 02:55.55 | Dogmai | the theory is the same |
| 03:00.54 | sarah__ | now to see if my inventory works |
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| 03:07.24 | sarah__ | how do u make ur game public? |
| 03:07.50 | sarah__ | Dogmai |
| 03:08.29 | sarah__ | Dogmai: how do you make a game public |
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| 03:09.34 | sarah__ | MOONEATER_MOBILE |
| 03:09.42 | MoonEater | lol |
| 03:09.42 | MoonEater | hi |
| 03:09.46 | sarah__ | mooneater |
| 03:09.47 | MoonEater | dont do all caps |
| 03:09.57 | MoonEater | im here |
| 03:09.59 | sarah__ | how do u make a map public |
| 03:10.06 | MoonEater | when u publish |
| 03:10.11 | sarah__ | how |
| 03:10.18 | MoonEater | save the map first then go to file>>publish |
| 03:10.47 | MoonEater | r u on the NA server? |
| 03:10.55 | JademusSreg | Zooop. |
| 03:11.05 | MoonEater | hi jade |
| 03:19.28 | Zandose | how do you add a actor to a scope so you can send one message to all the actors at once? |
| 03:21.16 | MoonEater | no idea |
| 03:21.18 | MoonEater | JADE |
| 03:21.22 | MoonEater | HELP US |
| 03:39.19 | MoonEater | wtf? |
| 03:39.33 | MoonEater | u opened a map file in text or somthing? |
| 03:41.24 | sarah__ | yep |
| 03:44.24 | sarah__ | MOONEATER |
| 03:44.33 | MoonEater | yes? |
| 03:44.47 | sarah__ | um how do u change maps description? |
| 03:45.23 | MoonEater | at the top |
| 03:45.28 | MoonEater | near file and edit |
| 03:45.30 | MoonEater | is map |
| 03:52.19 | Zandose | no one have any ideas how to add a actor to a scope |
| 03:52.22 | Zandose | ? |
| 03:54.37 | MoonEater | what r u trying to do |
| 03:54.39 | MoonEater | ? |
| 03:55.43 | Zandose | I want to save certain actors to a scope so i can send a actor message to a scope, and all the actors in it, instead of sending messages one at a time |
| 03:56.39 | MoonEater | well u can attack a actor to units and call the actor perhaps? |
| 03:56.51 | sarah__ | this is my first time using map editor so i have no idea |
| 03:56.52 | MoonEater | all units have the same actor |
| 03:58.18 | sarah__ | k made my first map |
| 03:58.26 | sarah__ | its not public yet tho |
| 03:58.50 | Zandose | not what i need i believe. I've created a lot of actors w/ models and wanted to save them to a scope |
| 04:06.13 | Zandose | is there any other ways to send a actor message to a certain set of actors? |
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| 04:34.03 | Dogmai | god forbid i fucken win a single game of starcraft today |
| 04:34.21 | MoonEater | i forbid it |
| 04:34.23 | Dogmai | this is why i hate playing matches |
| 04:34.34 | Dogmai | im so pissed off |
| 04:34.37 | Dogmai | good news is |
| 04:34.38 | Dogmai | i caught a duck |
| 04:34.41 | Dogmai | so now i have a pet duck |
| 04:34.42 | MoonEater | ur in bronz? |
| 04:34.42 | MoonEater | XD |
| 04:34.46 | MoonEater | awsome |
| 04:34.50 | MoonEater | i want a duck |
| 04:34.54 | Dogmai | ducks are awesome |
| 04:35.11 | Dogmai | It is a muscovy duck |
| 04:35.13 | Dogmai | female too :D |
| 04:35.16 | Dogmai | eggs for me! |
| 04:35.29 | Dogmai | my neighbour has ducks, first I thought it might have been one of his that escaped |
| 04:35.33 | Dogmai | but he has peking ducks |
| 04:35.45 | Dogmai | so I keep the duck! :) |
| 04:35.58 | Dogmai | took four of us to catch it though o_O |
| 04:36.01 | Dogmai | she can really fly |
| 04:36.22 | MoonEater | my nieghborhood has turkys |
| 04:36.26 | MoonEater | i hit them with my car |
| 04:37.56 | Dogmai | =\ |
| 04:38.04 | Dogmai | thats not nice |
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| 05:23.34 | sarah__ | DEAGOD |
| 05:24.26 | sarah__ | MOONEATER |
| 05:24.42 | AndChat-453921 | Hi |
| 05:24.46 | AndChat-453921 | Ops |
| 05:24.55 | sarah__ | how do u make it a game save? |
| 05:25.05 | AndChat-453921 | Use triggers and bank |
| 05:25.11 | AndChat-453921 | Brb |
| 05:25.12 | sarah__ | yeah but i tried |
| 05:25.15 | AndChat-453921 | MSF me in gamw |
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| 05:25.34 | sarah__ | ANDCHAT45321 |
| 05:25.59 | AndChat-453921 | I'll show u after my game |
| 05:26.09 | AndChat-453921 | 10 min |
| 05:26.10 | sarah__ | i have 30 mins |
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| 05:26.41 | AndChat-453921 | To start |
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| 05:34.28 | unclesatan | anyone free? |
| 05:38.29 | sarah__ | editing my map |
| 05:45.47 | unclesatan | ach |
| 05:45.55 | unclesatan | was looking for someone to help test for 15 mins or so |
| 05:46.03 | unclesatan | if anyone's interested |
| 05:53.14 | unclesatan | dang i thought i'd find testers everywhere |
| 05:53.16 | unclesatan | xD |
| 06:08.50 | sarah__ | what kind of game |
| 06:09.16 | sarah__ | UNCLESATAN |
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| 06:24.29 | unclesatan | sorry about that sarah |
| 06:24.36 | unclesatan | it's a Hero Arena |
| 06:24.52 | unclesatan | if you ever played Anime Fight or Fight of Characters, it's reminiscent of those maps |
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| 13:28.34 | Dogmai | fucken lose every game today |
| 13:28.36 | Dogmai | fucken shit |
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| 14:53.46 | Dogmai | such is life |
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| 15:53.14 | duckies | G0A, go read what I wrote in game before someone spams it away =D |
| 15:54.44 | G0A | :D |
| 15:59.41 | duckies | anyway g0a, you here? |
| 15:59.52 | G0A | yes |
| 15:59.56 | duckies | pick michael |
| 15:59.58 | duckies | marine |
| 16:00.06 | duckies | or you'll have a hard time :D |
| 16:00.55 | MoonEater_mobile | XS |
| 16:01.33 | duckies | aaand we're starting :D |
| 16:01.42 | duckies | g0a, awaken |
| 16:02.01 | G0A | I am |
| 16:02.04 | G0A | :) |
| 16:02.11 | duckies | why did you not pick a role =( |
| 16:02.26 | G0A | ahh there was lobby picking? |
| 16:02.29 | duckies | yea |
| 16:02.33 | G0A | :9 |
| 16:02.46 | G0A | thought I am the only one who make such things in maps:D |
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| 16:36.55 | TroubledBear | hello, how do I capture a keydown and keyup event respectively (not key pressed!)? |
| 16:37.10 | MoonEater_mobile | Events |
| 16:37.15 | MoonEater_mobile | And action |
| 16:37.32 | MoonEater_mobile | This is a dialog?? |
| 16:38.31 | TroubledBear | I don't find it under events, there is just key pressed |
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| 16:41.50 | TroubledBear | nvm I'm dumb |
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| 16:54.57 | TroubledBear | okay, here's a question: do I need to monitor individual key states if I want to know, if want to know whether a key is up or down in response to an event other than the key pressed itself? |
| 16:56.16 | Kueken | I am not sure I understand what you are asking |
| 16:56.29 | G0A | need testers |
| 16:56.34 | G0A | anyone? |
| 16:56.44 | Kueken | if you detect a key down event, set a variable, if you detect key up, reset |
| 16:57.17 | TroubledBear | say I have a event e, the player is releasing the key "U" but I also want to know, wheter the key "A" is pressed down or not |
| 16:58.08 | TroubledBear | ah yeah, thats what I thought I need to do @Kueken |
| 16:59.30 | Kueken | there are only the events, no way to check the current status of a key, if not saved manually |
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| 17:27.57 | AndChat|453921 | Its not hard to save it manually |
| 17:28.14 | AndChat|453921 | U make a function or library for it and save it forever |
| 17:28.20 | AndChat|453921 | Very reusable |
| 17:28.56 | TroubledBear | yeah I'm using a 2dbool array and a function to map a key to an index |
| 17:29.04 | TroubledBear | well at least I'm getting there |
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| 17:36.10 | sarah__ | now to get back to my map |
| 17:37.07 | Ahli | o0 now cheat users are streaming, too... |
| 17:37.43 | Ahli | http://hakuou.org/live/badger31428 observer's production tab is open |
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| 17:42.24 | TroubledBear | sorry I have another question, when declaring a function in the script editor he says "Non-constant initialization of constant object / array bounds must be constant" when my function looks like this: int getDirection(bool[] keyState) |
| 17:42.48 | TroubledBear | obviously I have to say how big my array is; how do I do that? |
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| 17:51.48 | Kueken | functions cannot have array parameters |
| 17:52.02 | Kueken | you would need to use arrayref for that |
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| 18:25.09 | TroubledBear | how can I log to the error console? (sorry for another question but I don't find answer on the internet) |
| 18:27.20 | A1win | you can copy text from the debugging window |
| 18:30.51 | TroubledBear | ah okay I just used TriggerDebugOutput that works too |
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| 18:51.14 | G0A | sometimes I feel I am complete idiot, when I find a very simple bug's solution right front of my eye. |
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| 19:03.48 | TroubledBear | can't I call other functions from functions in my custom script? |
| 19:06.59 | TroubledBear | okay, order of functions is relevant shame on me |
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| 19:49.30 | sarah__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.36 | sarah__ | `j"‚ºì•³±¯ÈÍQ(K-*ÎÌϳU2Ô3PRHÍKÎOÉÌK·U*-ÖM,NÎÌT²·ãå²qJÌËöÉ,. |
| 19:56.38 | Torhal | sarah__: HAWT |
| 19:56.57 | Torhal | Also: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 19:57.52 | sarah__ | how do u make items for a rpg? |
| 19:58.04 | TroubledBear | I can do this "if (m & s) {" but I can't do this "if (h < 4 && (s & ((h - 1) << 1))) {" without having != 0 before the closing ")" this language is weird |
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| 20:12.58 | MoonEater | sarah? |
| 20:13.04 | sarah__ | hi |
| 20:13.14 | MoonEater | in triggers |
| 20:13.19 | MoonEater | right click the right side |
| 20:13.26 | MoonEater | and make a new variable |
| 20:13.37 | MoonEater | this variable is going to represent the heros in the game |
| 20:13.48 | MoonEater | are u planning on making more than 1 hero per player? |
| 20:14.12 | sarah__ | the hero is a zealot |
| 20:14.28 | sarah__ | how do u make a variablpe |
| 20:14.41 | sarah__ | variable* |
| 20:15.00 | MoonEater | in the trigger module |
| 20:15.05 | MoonEater | on the left hand side |
| 20:15.12 | MoonEater | right click>> new>> variable |
| 20:15.23 | MoonEater | or ctrl +b |
| 20:15.30 | JademusSreg | Enjoy how utterly, comically wrong youtube's automagical closed-captioning always is. |
| 20:15.39 | unclesatan | lol |
| 20:15.50 | unclesatan | Jade! With your help my map is nearing Beta Phase! |
| 20:15.59 | JademusSreg | Congrats. |
| 20:16.23 | unclesatan | Thanks! I have a little topic on the forums now! :) |
| 20:16.30 | sarah__ | my map wont let me make it public |
| 20:16.37 | JademusSreg | Looks like there's another scripter here in need of help? A very troubled bear, apparently. |
| 20:16.50 | MoonEater | when u publish |
| 20:16.58 | MoonEater | it will say why in the bottom section |
| 20:16.59 | unclesatan | when you publish it won't let you make it public? weird |
| 20:17.54 | sarah__ | k were focusing on 1 thing right now |
| 20:18.11 | sarah__ | so how do u make heros revive |
| 20:18.31 | unclesatan | there should be a function to revive a hero |
| 20:18.35 | unclesatan | an Action |
| 20:19.04 | unclesatan | I'm not sure how SC2's Hero Revival works though, I did my own system |
| 20:19.27 | unclesatan | it might need more than just that function |
| 20:19.34 | JademusSreg | It requires the unit stay in memory, and it's rather like production. |
| 20:20.10 | unclesatan | Ah so you have to set the dying hero to a variable |
| 20:20.11 | sarah__ | im using a trigger |
| 20:20.13 | unclesatan | ? |
| 20:20.33 | sarah__ | i know mooneater on sc2 |
| 20:20.46 | MoonEater | i brought here here |
| 20:20.47 | MoonEater | but |
| 20:20.50 | MoonEater | clean is right |
| 20:20.50 | TroubledBear | so I rewrote my movement script and now the ultralisk look in the wrong direction :[ that'll be fun to debug |
| 20:20.55 | MoonEater | and knows what he is talking about |
| 20:21.27 | JademusSreg | This means the unit can die, but cannot be permitted to leave memory. The default death time for a unit gets it scrubbed more or less immediately; revivable units need a non-zero death time, iirc. |
| 20:21.51 | unclesatan | Ahhhh that explains why I was having so many issues with it, the 0 death time! ugh |
| 20:22.26 | sarah__ | hmm maby i should make it so the heros only get stunned not die |
| 20:22.41 | unclesatan | sarah, all you have to do is go into the data editor |
| 20:23.02 | JademusSreg | In that case, Sar, you'd want to use the Death Prevention behaviors for reference. |
| 20:23.13 | JademusSreg | aka Do Not Die. |
| 20:23.22 | MoonEater | u guys need to calm down a bit, and talk slow and clearly |
| 20:23.25 | MoonEater | step by step |
| 20:23.37 | JademusSreg | In Liberty Campaign, it's used during the nydus canal mission on the hero units. |
| 20:23.52 | JademusSreg | In Swarm Campaign, it's used for a number of units. |
| 20:23.57 | unclesatan | yeah i'm giving her a walkthrough now moon, just had to check myself before i lead her in circles |
| 20:24.22 | MoonEater | not u im worried about |
| 20:24.24 | MoonEater | its jade |
| 20:24.25 | MoonEater | XD |
| 20:24.25 | JademusSreg | Bear, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/JademusDemo.SC2Map |
| 20:24.52 | unclesatan | so in the data editor, your unit should have this " Stats - Death Time : 0.000 " |
| 20:25.11 | unclesatan | set the death time to at least how long your respawn is going to be |
| 20:25.41 | unclesatan | because if the death time is shorter than the time it takes your hero to respawn, then your hero will be deleted from the game memory and you can't revive it |
| 20:25.44 | JademusSreg | I expect -1 would be effectively infinite. |
| 20:26.02 | unclesatan | Or that works equally well |
| 20:26.05 | unclesatan | :D |
| 20:26.34 | MoonEater | just dont use -2 |
| 20:26.35 | MoonEater | XD |
| 20:27.22 | unclesatan | ok now you can make a new Action. It's a unit action, look for Unit - Revive (Triggering unit) |
| 20:27.41 | sarah__ | k i dont even have the first thing done |
| 20:27.54 | unclesatan | no prob |
| 20:28.14 | unclesatan | are you using Wings of Liberty or Heart of the Swarm? I think in Wings of Liberty alot of units don't have Death Time |
| 20:28.36 | sarah__ | im using heat of the swarm the hero is zealot |
| 20:28.48 | unclesatan | Awesome, it should work fine then |
| 20:29.48 | TroubledBear | these are some cute utilities jade |
| 20:29.50 | JademusSreg | All units inherit a default death time of 0; disable the option that sorts modified fields to the top, because that just confounds finding shit https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/DataView.jpg |
| 20:30.26 | sarah__ | so what death time? |
| 20:30.33 | unclesatan | Jade you teach me something new every day, I never knew I could disable that |
| 20:30.37 | unclesatan | Set the death time to -1 sarah |
| 20:30.41 | unclesatan | negative 1 |
| 20:30.50 | A1win | death time is the time it takes until the dead unit is completely removed from the game |
| 20:30.54 | sarah__ | k |
| 20:31.03 | unclesatan | in Starcraft 2 negative 1 is a universal way of saying the time will never run out |
| 20:31.16 | JademusSreg | Bear, there's a lot of wip code there, but more relevant is the control scheme. |
| 20:31.23 | MoonEater | or |
| 20:31.27 | MoonEater | it means -1 |
| 20:31.34 | MoonEater | like supply |
| 20:31.44 | MoonEater | -1 doesnt mean infinate supply |
| 20:32.18 | unclesatan | true, that's a resource though! resources are different! When it comes to time at least, -1 is usually infinite time :p |
| 20:32.30 | unclesatan | You are right though |
| 20:32.38 | MoonEater | and with fuctions |
| 20:32.41 | MoonEater | -1 means error |
| 20:32.44 | TroubledBear | can't I just concat strings do I need to explicitly cast every part? |
| 20:32.56 | unclesatan | xD |
| 20:33.02 | unclesatan | You got me there too |
| 20:33.10 | MoonEater | u can concat strings |
| 20:33.11 | MoonEater | in triger |
| 20:33.18 | unclesatan | So I retract my statement, when it comes to Time on Starcraft 2, negative 1 usually means infinite. |
| 20:33.23 | unclesatan | :p |
| 20:33.28 | sarah__ | k now what |
| 20:33.30 | MoonEater | lolz! |
| 20:33.32 | TroubledBear | no I mean in the custom script |
| 20:33.35 | unclesatan | Ok |
| 20:33.40 | unclesatan | now you can make a new Action. It's a unit action, look for Unit - Revive (Triggering unit) |
| 20:33.48 | JademusSreg | Depends. String + string, text + text, int + int, fixed + fixed, and int + fixed but this last one can cause problems. |
| 20:33.59 | unclesatan | Switch the (Triggering unit) part with the variable Moon had you make earlier |
| 20:34.27 | unclesatan | All you have to do is give it the event of a Unit Dying, which is your unit variable |
| 20:34.47 | MoonEater | avoid uinit dying causes lag |
| 20:34.50 | sarah__ | its a trigger?> |
| 20:35.16 | unclesatan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.20 | unclesatan | yeah it is |
| 20:35.33 | unclesatan | you just have to make a trigger with an event Unit - dies |
| 20:35.48 | unclesatan | then add the Unit - Revive (Triggering unit) to the actions |
| 20:36.07 | unclesatan | place a Wait function before it and it will Wait however long you like before reviving your unit |
| 20:36.26 | unclesatan | then you're done, that should by all means work |
| 20:37.13 | unclesatan | But it will only work if you gave your zealot the variable that moon was talking about |
| 20:37.23 | unclesatan | in a different trigger |
| 20:37.38 | unclesatan | Unit dying causes lag? |
| 20:37.41 | unclesatan | sorry didn't see that moon |
| 20:37.49 | sarah__ | im gona test |
| 20:37.51 | MoonEater | ya |
| 20:37.55 | unclesatan | oki |
| 20:37.56 | JademusSreg | Starting a lot of new threads will. |
| 20:38.10 | MoonEater | well dying units can cause alot of threads |
| 20:38.28 | unclesatan | It's ok, once I figure out threads I'll be able to lag-cleanse my map once it has some more to it |
| 20:38.37 | JademusSreg | number of units dying * number of triggers registered to the any unit dies event. |
| 20:39.04 | unclesatan | There's only one in my map |
| 20:39.20 | unclesatan | Detects if a unit died, then will detect the unit type that died, then give EXP |
| 20:39.25 | MoonEater | u shouldnt make more than 1 |
| 20:39.27 | MoonEater | ever |
| 20:39.35 | MoonEater | make one and then run triggers |
| 20:39.35 | unclesatan | I really don't need it for more than the EXP system |
| 20:39.39 | MoonEater | that r related |
| 20:39.41 | JademusSreg | More accurately, number of units dying in a 1/16 game time second period. |
| 20:39.43 | MoonEater | 1 master trigger |
| 20:39.50 | MoonEater | triggering smaller trigers and functions |
| 20:40.06 | sarah__ | how do i make it take time to revive |
| 20:40.14 | unclesatan | Make an Action |
| 20:40.18 | unclesatan | in the revive trigger |
| 20:40.19 | sarah__ | and revive at a certiant spot |
| 20:40.27 | JademusSreg | And yes, Moon is correct, fewer event registers is generally more efficient. |
| 20:40.27 | unclesatan | Wait(x) time |
| 20:40.49 | unclesatan | also after the unit is revived |
| 20:40.52 | unclesatan | you can move it however you like |
| 20:40.59 | unclesatan | make an action and place it after Unit Revive |
| 20:41.33 | unclesatan | The action is Move Unit Instantly |
| 20:42.01 | unclesatan | That way, the moment the unit is revived and useable, your trigger will move it appropriately! |
| 20:42.35 | unclesatan | Also Jade my scripts are huge, I only really use alot of Ability Events |
| 20:42.49 | MoonEater | thats fine |
| 20:42.52 | MoonEater | ability events |
| 20:42.59 | MoonEater | as long as the event is specific |
| 20:43.01 | MoonEater | r cool |
| 20:43.10 | MoonEater | and map initialization is usaly ok |
| 20:43.10 | unclesatan | I make huge use of an event so it might be fine i think |
| 20:43.12 | unclesatan | Ah k |
| 20:43.13 | MoonEater | longer load time |
| 20:43.55 | unclesatan | I investigated map leaks because I developed in WC3 and alot of my time spent scripting was de-leaking my scripts |
| 20:44.01 | unclesatan | Thank god SC2 has garbage collector |
| 20:44.32 | unclesatan | It's so hard to memory leak in a sc2 map |
| 20:44.41 | unclesatan | You have to practically do it on purpose |
| 20:45.15 | unclesatan | Did that work out sarah? |
| 20:46.19 | sarah__ | im gona have to test |
| 20:49.08 | sarah__ | how do u set respawn point? |
| 20:50.10 | unclesatan | Go to the terrain editor, mouse over the point you want |
| 20:50.14 | sarah__ | it says chose a point select then 'd' |
| 20:50.24 | sarah__ | q |
| 20:50.26 | unclesatan | on the bottom left there will be coordinates |
| 20:50.28 | sarah__ | not d |
| 20:50.36 | unclesatan | do you already have a point you want to put the hero at? |
| 20:50.45 | unclesatan | or a region |
| 20:50.54 | unclesatan | you can use Center of Region |
| 20:51.09 | sarah__ | i have a spot i want to have them revive at |
| 20:51.39 | unclesatan | ok, well when you click on the point you want |
| 20:51.44 | unclesatan | click on the function option on the left side |
| 20:52.15 | unclesatan | find the center of region one |
| 20:52.23 | unclesatan | then you can use terrain editor to put a region wherever you like |
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| 20:52.35 | unclesatan | sorry i'm being quick i have to head to work D: |
| 20:52.50 | unclesatan | good luck!!! fare thee well, enjoy your days fellows |
| 21:01.10 | sarah__ | how do u make it so when u kill a enmy unit u get minerals |
| 21:02.48 | sarah__ | MOONEATER |
| 21:03.09 | MoonEater | yes? |
| 21:03.28 | MoonEater | remember that trigger |
| 21:03.30 | MoonEater | on death? |
| 21:03.43 | sarah__ | yeah |
| 21:04.26 | MoonEater | do |
| 21:04.31 | MoonEater | event any unit dies |
| 21:04.36 | MoonEater | action |
| 21:04.56 | MoonEater | modify killing player minerals add 10 |
| 21:05.42 | sarah__ | um |
| 21:05.45 | sarah__ | how |
| 21:06.39 | MoonEater | Untitled Trigger 001 Events Unit - Any Unit dies Local Variables Conditions Actions Player - Modify player (Killing player) Minerals: Add 10 |
| 21:06.41 | MoonEater | ops |
| 21:06.43 | MoonEater | thats ugly |
| 21:06.45 | MoonEater | 1 sec |
| 21:08.14 | MoonEater | http://www.sc2mapster.com/paste/8016/ |
| 21:09.08 | MoonEater | make sence? |
| 21:10.46 | sarah__ | it made sence without the site |
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| 21:10.53 | sarah__ | i dident even go to it |
| 21:12.14 | MoonEater | k |
| 21:15.55 | MoonEater | Jade u there? |
| 21:16.06 | JademusSreg | Yes, for a bit. |
| 21:16.36 | MoonEater | is it possible to make a attack wave without a target |
| 21:16.57 | MoonEater | i mean i just want the ai to go fuck shit up indescriminatly |
| 21:17.13 | JademusSreg | Oh, that sould be easy. Global suicide. |
| 21:17.22 | MoonEater | global suidcide? |
| 21:17.28 | JademusSreg | Don't even need a wave for that. |
| 21:17.47 | JademusSreg | Global suicide makes the AI "go fuck shit up indescriminatly" |
| 21:17.50 | MoonEater | well i want them to be clustered still |
| 21:17.52 | MoonEater | and organized |
| 21:17.54 | MoonEater | like in waves |
| 21:17.56 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 21:17.57 | TroubledBear | can multiple keypress events be fired concurrently? |
| 21:17.59 | MoonEater | but just random all over waves |
| 21:18.08 | JademusSreg | Bear, clarify with an example. |
| 21:18.21 | MoonEater | Bear, keyboards most can only handle 4 keys at a time |
| 21:18.37 | MoonEater | and |
| 21:18.38 | MoonEater | yes |
| 21:18.43 | MoonEater | u can have multiple events |
| 21:18.44 | TroubledBear | if i press a and s at the same time, is it possible that my trigger triggers twice such that my global variable is prone to a race condition? |
| 21:18.45 | MoonEater | for keys |
| 21:18.48 | JademusSreg | Moon, attack waves can take targets that are not merely units or points. |
| 21:18.55 | JademusSreg | For instance, a player target. |
| 21:19.04 | JademusSreg | Bear, yes. |
| 21:19.07 | TroubledBear | snap |
| 21:19.28 | MoonEater | so make a attack wave |
| 21:19.32 | MoonEater | and leave the points blank? |
| 21:19.48 | JademusSreg | Threads are processed in sequence, no true simultaneous execution. |
| 21:20.19 | MoonEater | dont get technical about task swaps |
| 21:20.27 | MoonEater | its fast enough where it is |
| 21:20.35 | JademusSreg | Moon, I'll consult the API. |
| 21:20.43 | MoonEater | there is a api? |
| 21:20.48 | MoonEater | where the fk is that? |
| 21:21.20 | MoonEater | cause for the most part its blank |
| 21:21.30 | MoonEater | unless the forum has a better description |
| 21:21.36 | JademusSreg | AIAttackWaveSetTargetPlayer (int player, playergroup players); |
| 21:21.48 | TroubledBear | how does critical section exaclty work? is the specified boolean being used as lock? |
| 21:22.02 | TroubledBear | does this mean it's using a spin-lock? |
| 21:22.15 | JademusSreg | Naw, nothing so sophisticated. |
| 21:23.30 | JademusSreg | Think of Galaxy script as neutered-C. If not for the recently added funcref, structref, and arrayref, it would be less tolerable. But GUI users don't have access to those. |
| 21:23.59 | MoonEater | jade, ive done it before but i forgot how to load a map terrain into my map |
| 21:24.36 | TroubledBear | I have zero expirience with c :-[ could you elaborate on how exactly I would use critical section? |
| 21:25.45 | JademusSreg | I seem to have forgotten what Critical Section does, but since GUI is just interpreted to galaxy anyway, I'd expect it doesn't do much. |
| 21:25.55 | JademusSreg | Guess I'll take a look. |
| 21:28.29 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 21:28.37 | MoonEater | jade, setting the tatget player is already handled in the modual |
| 21:29.50 | JademusSreg | All it does it implement a while(boolVar){Wait(1.0,c_timeGame);} boolVar=true; ##DO_STUFF## boolVar=false; |
| 21:30.46 | TroubledBear | -_- |
| 21:31.46 | TroubledBear | well this necessarily doesn't prevent race conditions |
| 21:32.11 | JademusSreg | Bear, what are you attempting to accomplish? |
| 21:32.12 | Kueken | pretty sophisticated stuff o_0 |
| 21:33.45 | TroubledBear | well I'm trying to implement proper wasd movement but I think it's not a rc |
| 21:33.59 | TroubledBear | I think i tested wrong :\ sry |
| 21:34.02 | JademusSreg | I linked my demo for that reason. |
| 21:34.28 | TroubledBear | yeah I took a look at it |
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| 21:36.01 | JademusSreg | Start with the Input script. |
| 21:36.20 | TroubledBear | the problem is not the key recogniton but mapping the input to deg |
| 21:38.57 | JademusSreg | Input catches all player input with minimal fuss. Action runs a dedicated thread and function bus. Operator is registered with Action and calls a function for each player. Control Scheme has two versions, Controller is the consolidated form of the separate control scripts. |
| 21:39.23 | JademusSreg | Specifically, observe Content/ControlScheme(Separate)/KeyMove |
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| 21:40.46 | JademusSreg | ATan2(up-down,right-left)+CameraGetYaw(player)+KeyMove.angleOffset) |
| 21:43.24 | JademusSreg | In this way, one avoids a bunch of shitty if-else clauses, calculating the offset angle naturally from the states of the keys. |
| 21:43.38 | TroubledBear | : DDD |
| 21:44.20 | ThunderLord | if a player leaves a game is he still considered to be in "Active Players" |
| 21:44.22 | ThunderLord | ? |
| 21:45.09 | JademusSreg | Shouldn't. |
| 21:45.16 | TroubledBear | I think it's quite nice, it does consider diagonal movement, right? |
| 21:45.27 | ThunderLord | okay cool |
| 21:45.29 | ThunderLord | thanks Jade |
| 21:45.35 | A1win | there used to be a bug that if a player left during loading screen, he was still in Active Players, dunno if that's fixed yet |
| 21:45.55 | JademusSreg | Of course it does, Bear. That's rather the point of the mathemagical operation. |
| 21:46.52 | JademusSreg | Assume any 0 or 1 value for variables up, down, left, right. |
| 21:46.52 | TroubledBear | what I think is missing tho is that when a player is pressing up & left and then presses up & right that during the "transition" the right press does not take priority over the left press |
| 21:46.57 | JademusSreg | You'll see that there are exactly 9 possible outcomes. |
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| 22:01.48 | ThunderLord | Ugh is there no max() function that can take more than 2 parameters? or am i going to have to nest them 100 times? |
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| 22:05.54 | TroubledBear | omg awesome your math trick saved me a ton of lines and it works now! |
| 22:06.09 | JademusSreg | Thund, what's the purpose? |
| 22:06.14 | JademusSreg | Bear, no problem. |
| 22:06.14 | TroubledBear | gonna look into your threading thing tomorrow |
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| 22:10.30 | ThunderLord | i want to get the size of the largest team in the game |
| 22:10.53 | ThunderLord | its whatevs tho, i already nested it |
| 22:11.01 | A1win | use a loop |
| 22:11.20 | JademusSreg | A1 is correct. |
| 22:11.26 | JademusSreg | When in doubt, iterate. |
| 22:12.22 | ThunderLord | ehhh, guess i could have done that |
| 22:12.34 | ThunderLord | yeah, true |
| 22:13.24 | ThunderLord | can u write to a player's bank after he leaves a game? |
| 22:13.38 | A1win | haha, how would you do that |
| 22:13.43 | A1win | banks are local |
| 22:13.47 | JademusSreg | Almost, kinda, sorta, not. |
| 22:14.00 | A1win | you can do it when he's leaving though |
| 22:14.02 | ThunderLord | well like, in SC2 matchmakings, 2v2 and stuff, u can still win a game after you leave |
| 22:14.10 | ThunderLord | yeah i know you can while he is leaving |
| 22:14.22 | ThunderLord | but like... afterwards |
| 22:14.26 | ThunderLord | i guess not |
| 22:14.32 | A1win | SC2 matchmaking score system is handled by bnet |
| 22:14.32 | JademusSreg | The player leaves game event fires when the player begins to leave, so to that extent, yes, you can write to the bank before it leaves. |
| 22:14.40 | ThunderLord | it would def be impossible if he Closed his entire SC2 |
| 22:14.57 | ThunderLord | ugh |
| 22:15.02 | ThunderLord | serverside banks |
| 22:15.04 | ThunderLord | i want them |
| 22:15.17 | JademusSreg | A combination of periodic saves + leave saves is optimal. |
| 22:15.33 | ThunderLord | now for what i need tho |
| 22:15.43 | JademusSreg | Fair enough. |
| 22:16.08 | ThunderLord | like for my player skill rating, there are 4 teams, and your rating is altered based on if you got 1st 2nd 3rd etc... vs how the game expected you to place |
| 22:16.18 | JademusSreg | TrueSkill. |
| 22:16.25 | JademusSreg | Bayesian Inference, yah yah., |
| 22:16.54 | ThunderLord | right, and if someone leaves early, i cant write to his banks where his team is going to place |
| 22:16.57 | ThunderLord | so ) ": |
| 22:17.04 | ThunderLord | lol |
| 22:17.30 | JademusSreg | Take a logical shortcut. |
| 22:17.41 | ThunderLord | what kind of shortcut? |
| 22:18.42 | JademusSreg | Re-evaluate the teams. If a player leaves before results are decided, consider the player as being on its own team alone, and it has failed. |
| 22:19.11 | ThunderLord | yeah |
| 22:19.21 | ThunderLord | but like, if you leave and you are winning |
| 22:19.24 | ThunderLord | \ : |
| 22:19.25 | ThunderLord | whateve |
| 22:19.32 | ThunderLord | people just better not leave my game! |
| 22:19.38 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 22:19.41 | ThunderLord | assume the worst |
| 22:19.52 | ThunderLord | yeah, i guess thats all i can do |
| 22:20.04 | JademusSreg | If Xbox live can handle it, you'll do fine. |
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| 22:21.43 | ThunderLord | :P |
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| 23:00.38 | sarah | now my heros revive yay |
| 23:14.39 | ThunderLord | Statistics Question. I have a set of numbers and i want to choose 2 of them randomly, in a random order, same number cannot be chosen twice. I have a RNG pick a number randomly and that becomes the first number, then i have the RNG continually pick numbers randomly unil the picked number is not the same as the first picked number. Does this method give me equal probability for choosing each |
| 23:14.39 | ThunderLord | possible permutation of 2 numbers? |
| 23:16.07 | sarah | k well now my heros revive |
| 23:17.24 | A1win | ThunderLord, yes it does |
| 23:17.34 | ThunderLord | Thanks |
| 23:17.49 | A1win | but it has a very small chance to not terminate (but practically that chance is probably zero) |
| 23:17.50 | ThunderLord | and awesome with the hero revive. That one is a pain |
| 23:18.12 | sarah | it was |
| 23:18.20 | A1win | or I should say, has a chance to not terminate until the script engine throws an execution took too long error |
| 23:18.20 | ThunderLord | yeah, i have a failsafe to make sure the set of numbers has atleast 2 numbers in |
| 23:18.33 | A1win | that's not what I mean |
| 23:18.44 | ThunderLord | oh if i just get super "unlucky" |
| 23:18.48 | A1win | it might pick the same number a billion times in a row, which would take very long |
| 23:19.10 | ThunderLord | ill take my chances :P |
| 23:19.21 | A1win | but practically that isn't possible since I do n't think random number generators return that kind of sequences |
| 23:19.49 | A1win | you should make an array and pick a number at random, and then make another array that's 1 smaller without that number and pick another number from that at random |
| 23:20.22 | A1win | slightly heavier operation in the best case scenario but always executes in constant time |
| 23:21.14 | ThunderLord | true |
| 23:21.40 | ThunderLord | but u cant make dynamicly resizeing arrays \ : |
| 23:21.45 | ThunderLord | so it would be a super pain |
| 23:21.54 | ThunderLord | well, a bit more of a pain |
| 23:21.58 | A1win | yeah, you'll have to create a new array and copy the first one into it, without the first picked number |
| 23:22.49 | A1win | or you could do this: http://xkcd.com/221/ |
| 23:22.51 | ThunderLord | yeah but the size of the set of numbers can be diff each time this operation is ran |
| 23:23.16 | ThunderLord | LOL |
| 23:23.18 | ThunderLord | AWESOME |
| 23:23.39 | heuwk | why don't you just take the next index if the rng falls on the same index twice which is what you would essentially have when copying the array? |
| 23:24.04 | A1win | heuwk, that would give the number a higher chance to be picked |
| 23:24.06 | ThunderLord | would have 2x chance of choosing the index 1 more than the chosen one |
| 23:25.15 | A1win | {1, 2, 3} take one at random, let's say 2 (33.33% chance), now if you consider 2 to be the same as 3, then 3 has 66.67% chance and 1 still has 33.33% chance |
| 23:25.29 | heuwk | oops y |
| 23:26.05 | A1win | ThunderLord, you can keep the array size a constant and just store the virtual array size in a variable |
| 23:26.14 | ThunderLord | thats true |
| 23:26.17 | ThunderLord | i will do that |
| 23:26.29 | ThunderLord | gah, what i do for efficiency |
| 23:26.33 | A1win | :P |
| 23:26.37 | A1win | good practice |
| 23:26.43 | ThunderLord | u know what |
| 23:27.00 | ThunderLord | the computer can do like what 12 billion operations per second or somthing? |
| 23:27.17 | heuwk | you could reduce the max random number by one and remap the duplicate index to the last element tho? |
| 23:27.19 | A1win | the script engine is slower but yeah it's a big number |
| 23:27.21 | ThunderLord | I can do like 3... I think the computer can take one for the team |
| 23:27.38 | ThunderLord | could do that heuwk |
| 23:27.44 | ThunderLord | lol |
| 23:27.48 | A1win | yeah that's a good idea ;p |
| 23:27.54 | Deaod | is the amount of numbers you want to choose from a constant? |
| 23:27.59 | ThunderLord | nope |
| 23:28.08 | ThunderLord | i got it figured out |
| 23:28.14 | Deaod | is there an upper limit? |
| 23:28.17 | ThunderLord | im going to make it as efficient as possible |
| 23:28.18 | ThunderLord | yeah there is |
| 23:28.31 | ThunderLord | well maybe not as efficient as possible, but atleast constant time |
| 23:28.44 | ThunderLord | I have another question |
| 23:29.31 | ThunderLord | Would it be possible to make a skill rating system, store it in local banks, and be able to estimate based on that rating what % that player is out of all the players of the game |
| 23:30.03 | ThunderLord | like SC2 does with server side banks by placing people in bronze gold silver etc... but with local banks only |
| 23:30.09 | A1win | size = x; r = rand(0,x-1); pick array[r] as value1; array[r] = array[x-1]; x = x-1; r = rand(0,x-1); pick array[r] as value2; |
| 23:30.27 | A1win | (there's the algorithm for the first problem) |
| 23:30.50 | ThunderLord | this one is a bit more tricky :{ |
| 23:31.14 | A1win | well, you could update the list every time you play with someone |
| 23:31.27 | A1win | but you can't store stats for a huge number of players |
| 23:31.41 | A1win | unless you store only like one value |
| 23:32.17 | ThunderLord | couldent i just keep a record of every game played and have players share records at the start of each game? or would that get too big to fast? |
| 23:32.54 | A1win | it would have the potential to get too big |
| 23:33.23 | ThunderLord | if every player always shared with eachother then wouldent the records stay fairly consistent with one another? |
| 23:33.23 | A1win | maybe you'd just store a constant number of players and drop the ones that were added the longest time ago |
| 23:33.45 | ThunderLord | then the list would be differant based on how often you play |
| 23:34.00 | A1win | obviously |
| 23:34.21 | A1win | or you could only keep track of top 100 players or so |
| 23:34.32 | ThunderLord | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.43 | A1win | or whatever the bank file can support |
| 23:34.55 | ThunderLord | what about just like, an estimating system |
| 23:35.05 | A1win | and if the player doesn't make it to the topWhatever, he isn't stored to the list that gets shared to other players |
| 23:35.09 | Deaod | http://pastebin.com/NnArxXku |
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| 23:35.50 | Deaod | wont work, btw. |
| 23:35.56 | Deaod | hate galaxy |
| 23:36.01 | A1win | yeah you could do like "number of players who got score 10/10, number of players who got score 9/10, ... , number of players who got score 0/10" |
| 23:36.01 | ThunderLord | :D |
| 23:36.03 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 23:36.36 | ThunderLord | well like. First time i play, i am assumed to be in the 50th % |
| 23:36.39 | Deaod | http://pastebin.com/9ikTzy2e |
| 23:37.10 | Deaod | that should work |
| 23:37.45 | A1win | ThunderLord, oh right... if you don't need to show the "ladder" to the player, that should be fine |
| 23:38.04 | ThunderLord | but like, what kind of algorithm could i use i wonder |
| 23:38.29 | Deaod | argh, still doesnt. why is it so hard reinventing the wheel |
| 23:38.45 | ThunderLord | its okay Deaod lol |
| 23:38.57 | A1win | well I'd guess the simplest form would be to reward players a point if he wins and subtract a point if he loses, and multiply that by a factor that's based on the opponent's rank |
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| 23:39.16 | A1win | dunno, I haven't thought this through ;p |
| 23:39.40 | JademusSreg | Nice reference: https://github.com/moserware/Skills/tree/master/Skills/TrueSkill |
| 23:39.44 | ThunderLord | but get this... |
| 23:39.46 | ThunderLord | 4 teams |
| 23:39.52 | ThunderLord | makes it more complicated XD |
| 23:40.52 | Deaod | http://pastebin.com/t3VxntcV |
| 23:41.49 | JademusSreg | Aiming for O(n), yeah? |
| 23:42.05 | ThunderLord | no D: |
| 23:42.09 | ThunderLord | O(1) |
| 23:42.13 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:42.13 | sarah | how do u make items for a rpg? |
| 23:42.36 | Kueken | sarah: you will have to be more specific |
| 23:42.52 | ThunderLord | cuz of O(n) would still get to big... if i keep a record of all players |
| 23:43.01 | ThunderLord | O(n) if n is the number of players in that game i guess |
| 23:43.16 | sarah | like items u can pick up |
| 23:43.27 | Deaod | how would you keep track of all players ever? |
| 23:44.00 | JademusSreg | considers O(1) might be doable. |
| 23:44.08 | ThunderLord | in the banks, every game played make a record of it. Then in every game have every player compare records with one another and share the games that each player does not have |
| 23:44.37 | ThunderLord | wonders if he remembers the command to do what jade just did |
| 23:44.45 | ThunderLord | yaya! |
| 23:44.53 | Kueken | sarah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZH8Bx9jtcs |
| 23:44.53 | JademusSreg | What value are you attempting to calculate? |
| 23:45.31 | ThunderLord | i guess somthing that would allow me to estimate |
| 23:45.40 | ThunderLord | the % of all the players a single player is in |
| 23:45.44 | ThunderLord | as far as skill goes |
| 23:46.08 | ThunderLord | so at the start it would have to assume you are in the 50th % |
| 23:46.14 | JademusSreg | Cannot parse intent from your description. |
| 23:46.36 | ThunderLord | well if ur in gold league in SC2 u are like... |
| 23:46.46 | ThunderLord | shit they changed the %s and i dont remember what to |
| 23:46.53 | ThunderLord | If u are in master in SC2 you are the top 2% |
| 23:47.01 | ThunderLord | if diamond you are the 18% below that |
| 23:47.08 | ThunderLord | Plat is the 20% below that |
| 23:47.31 | ThunderLord | I guess the number i want |
| 23:47.38 | sarah | can i getthe banks one too? |
| 23:48.17 | ThunderLord | is each player would have a Percentage that is an estimate of the proportion of all players that that player is better than |
| 23:48.32 | sarah | Kueken |
| 23:48.40 | ThunderLord | if my number is 60% then it would mean im better than 60% of players |
| 23:49.08 | Kueken | what are you asking? |
| 23:49.20 | ThunderLord | but without keeping a server side record im pretty sure it is impossible with O(1). So the number would have to be an estimation |
| 23:49.20 | sarah | can i get the banks one too |
| 23:49.31 | Kueken | what do you mean by "the banks one"? |
| 23:49.47 | ThunderLord | based on what players you have won/lost against and your winrate against players of skill higher and lower than your estimated skill |
| 23:49.48 | sarah | the first tutorial from that dude |
| 23:49.58 | sarah | or 2rd |
| 23:50.03 | sarah | 2nd |
| 23:50.05 | Kueken | go to his channel and look for it |
| 23:50.07 | ThunderLord | hurts my head as to how to do it lol. Ill brb 5 min |
| 23:51.54 | JademusSreg | Still don't understand what you seek. Sounds like what you're asking for is not feasible, or would otherwise be non-technical. |
| 23:56.06 | JademusSreg | Calculating a percentile out of all players without access to the data would not be feasible. Fortunately that isn't necessary to implement TrueSkill. |
| 23:56.47 | A1win | ThunderLord, you can't calculate a scale because you don't know the limits, you can only have absolute value scoring, but that will vary a lot based on how much you play |
| 23:58.40 | ThunderLord | i could make the rating be based explicitly upon the last like 30 games you have played |
| 23:59.33 | ThunderLord | i understand it is not possible to do exactly |
| 23:59.46 | ThunderLord | but there should be a way to estimate |
