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| 00:13.07 | sharf | how would I determine what unit is closest to another, and if it is an item? |
| 00:23.16 | Dustin | Populate a unit group with all nearby units |
| 00:25.19 | Dustin | Then loop through that group and assign a unit to a unit variable if it's distance to the initial Player is shorter than the current leader, if so replace the old unit varaible with the new unit. Once done you will have the unit that's closest. You can additionally add a check of Is UnitType (item) when checking the distance |
| 00:26.38 | Dustin | Do you need a reference trigger made up? |
| 00:29.14 | sharf | sorry went afk |
| 00:29.19 | sharf | no I should be able to figure that |
| 00:31.30 | sharf | how do I tell the distance of each unit in the group though? |
| 00:32.24 | Dustin | theres a function |
| 00:32.33 | Dustin | GetDistanceBetweenPoints |
| 00:32.38 | Dustin | And use the units position |
| 00:32.57 | sharf | just found that lol |
| 00:33.01 | Dustin | :) |
| 00:36.49 | sharf | ok I have an array of units, a 2D array infact, what's the best way to loop through that to find the first empty value? |
| 00:38.26 | Dustin | you really can only do it one way with an array of units like that, are you indexing the units or have any sort of sorting for empty positions yet? |
| 00:38.50 | Dustin | Also what's your need for a 2d array of units if I might ask |
| 00:39.09 | sharf | I might be going about what I'm doing in a less than efficient way |
| 00:39.15 | sharf | I'm making a trigger inventory system |
| 00:39.23 | sharf | and to map items to the buttons in the dialog |
| 00:39.32 | sharf | it was just easier to mirror the two arrays |
| 00:39.37 | sharf | actually |
| 00:39.42 | sharf | not sure the items are 2d |
| 00:39.46 | sharf | now that I said that... |
| 00:40.07 | sharf | no I do have it set to be 2d |
| 00:40.33 | sharf | suppose it doesn't need to be |
| 00:40.50 | sharf | but I need a way to tell what "empty" is, and how to make something "empty" |
| 00:41.23 | Dustin | if I were you i'd use a unit group |
| 00:41.44 | Dustin | seems like it would be easier, then index the units and store their position and stuff in the inventory there |
| 00:42.02 | sharf | position is irrelevant |
| 00:42.09 | sharf | I might actually want unit type.. |
| 00:42.20 | sharf | yeah I want unit type |
| 00:42.21 | sharf | lol |
| 00:43.02 | Dustin | I made a unit indexing system that you might be able to use as an item indexing system for inventorys with some tweaks |
| 00:43.26 | sharf | well |
| 00:44.14 | sharf | how would I clear a value in an array, and detect an empty one? does sc2 support if EMPTY type stuff? or should I use a dummy unit type? |
| 00:46.18 | Dustin | Well your array item will either == No Unit or Any Unit |
| 00:46.53 | Dustin | So just check if your UnitArray[2] == No Unit, then it's empty |
| 00:47.09 | sharf | can I set variable to no unit? |
| 00:47.15 | Dustin | And you can do UnitArray[2] = Marine; |
| 00:47.36 | Dustin | And if you set it while it's already set it will overwrite it |
| 00:48.10 | Dustin | Yes |
| 00:48.35 | Dustin | UnitArrray[2] = No Unit will clear that slot of any reference to a unit |
| 00:48.52 | sharf | ok cool |
| 00:49.00 | sharf | I think I've got this then leme try |
| 00:49.36 | sharf | for no unit |
| 00:49.43 | sharf | would I use the preset "none"? |
| 00:49.54 | Dustin | That will work |
| 00:51.12 | Dustin | If it's a unit variable though it should have the preset no unit I think |
| 00:51.28 | sharf | it's unit type |
| 00:51.31 | sharf | so |
| 00:51.36 | Dustin | Oh, then yes, none |
| 00:55.59 | sharf | crap..need another array lol |
| 00:59.53 | sharf | ok |
| 01:00.14 | sharf | is there an easy, non-array way to get the button image of a unit type? |
| 01:00.16 | sharf | no right? |
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| 01:18.39 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 01:19.30 | JademusSreg | UI modding and some dialog control hookups might work. |
| 01:20.39 | JademusSreg | Specifically the frame class used for displaying unit buttons or some such. |
| 01:22.17 | sharf | it's not going to work the way I want lol Im just going to have to build a list |
| 01:22.28 | sharf | but now my dialog images aren't working :x |
| 01:28.57 | sharf | what is going on... |
| 01:29.15 | sharf | the images I can putting over the buttons are keeping me from pressing the buttons |
| 01:47.53 | JademusSreg | Set c_triggerControlPropertyAcceptMouseTarget to false. |
| 01:48.35 | JademusSreg | Assuming I got the correct one. |
| 01:48.44 | sharf | the problem was that I gave it a tooltip |
| 01:48.47 | JademusSreg | There are about 67 properties. |
| 01:49.04 | JademusSreg | Give the -button- the tooltip, not the image. |
| 01:50.11 | sharf | mhm did that already |
| 01:50.26 | JademusSreg | You set the property? |
| 01:51.23 | sharf | no |
| 01:51.26 | sharf | the button tooltip |
| 01:52.01 | sharf | hmmm |
| 01:52.02 | JademusSreg | In GUI it might be called Accept Mouse or some such. |
| 01:52.09 | JademusSreg | But set it to false of the image. |
| 01:52.16 | JademusSreg | *for the |
| 01:52.43 | sharf | trying to think of the best way to control items |
| 01:52.49 | sharf | left click/right click |
| 01:52.53 | sharf | or left click menu |
| 01:53.57 | sharf | jademus, knowing my general skill level lol how difficult would it be to make a left click drop/drag and drop feature with a trigger/dialog inventory? |
| 01:54.06 | sharf | i.e. drag to the ground to drop |
| 01:54.12 | sharf | or drag to another slot to change/equip |
| 01:54.46 | JademusSreg | Think about your experiences, begin with what feels right, then rationally analyze what makes it feel right. |
| 01:55.04 | JademusSreg | Or charge forward into whatever. Either way. |
| 01:55.16 | sharf | lol |
| 01:55.23 | sharf | well I can't imagine drag/drop being easy |
| 01:55.39 | sharf | but click to select click to drop shouldn't be horribly difficult |
| 01:56.51 | JademusSreg | Think about the games you've played with inventory. Which stood out? Which were horribly frustrating? Which felt goood, like a grilled cheese sandwich with some french onion inside? |
| 02:00.00 | sharf | I haven't played any inventory games lol |
| 02:03.42 | JademusSreg | You've not played Warcraft 3, Minecraft, Diablo #, any MMO, nearly any RPG, FPS that offer more than one weapon the entire game, Roguelikes, Dungeons & Dragons, pointy-click adventure games, Resident Evil #, MUD text games, or shit, pretty much any game ever? |
| 02:04.51 | JademusSreg | Oops, forgot Terraria, not that it matters. |
| 02:05.00 | sharf | oh those lol |
| 02:05.03 | sharf | thought you meant maps |
| 02:05.39 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 02:06.06 | sharf | I would think...for my system...right click to equip(or unequip) would be good, then left click to...use/move/drop |
| 02:07.25 | JademusSreg | Glad to participate in this imaginary conversation. |
| 02:07.53 | sharf | lol |
| 02:08.19 | sharf | so....how would I determine the difference between right and left click? |
| 02:08.50 | JademusSreg | [15:06:41] <JademusSreg> But basically, you'd make a trigger for dialog control click, set it to allow the buttons you want via the dialog control property action, then to figure out which button was used you'd either (simple, inefficient way) embed the logic directly into the trigger, get triggering dialog control mouse button and do an if-else, or (advance, efficient way) register the |
| 02:08.52 | JademusSreg | trigger for any dialog control, then you'd get the mouse button as before but then Pow2 and a bitwise comparison of the AllowButtons property. |
| 02:09.31 | sharf | believe it or not I actually saved that from before :P |
| 02:09.52 | sharf | but I understand very little of it lol |
| 02:09.52 | JademusSreg | Goot. Haha |
| 02:10.01 | JademusSreg | Alright. Identify the first part you don't understand. |
| 02:10.30 | sharf | "01set it to allow the buttons you want via the dialog control property action01" |
| 02:11.19 | JademusSreg | You know how to set dialog control properties, yes? |
| 02:11.35 | sharf | perhaps...I'm not sure what you mena |
| 02:11.37 | sharf | mean* |
| 02:11.48 | sharf | I've done button clicks in a dialog to do stuff before |
| 02:12.16 | sharf | but I'm not sure what dialog control perperties are |
| 02:12.19 | sharf | properties* |
| 02:12.26 | JademusSreg | You know what a Dialog is, yes? In GUI, the junk that goes into a Dialog are called Dialog Items, and in galaxy they are called Dialog Controls. |
| 02:12.55 | sharf | ah I don't use galaxy |
| 02:13.05 | JademusSreg | So I use Dialog Item and Dialog Control interchangably, because the terms are equivalent. |
| 02:13.14 | sharf | mmk |
| 02:14.12 | sharf | so then I guess I dont understand what you mean by set to allow the buttons I want? |
| 02:14.12 | JademusSreg | There are GUI actions to set a dialog control's properties. And there are about 67 properties. |
| 02:15.11 | JademusSreg | Find the GUI action Set Dialog Item Property or whatever the hell GUI calls it. |
| 02:18.33 | JademusSreg | The Property parameter provides about 67 presets or whatever, and you want to set AllowedButtons. |
| 02:18.50 | sharf | not finding it...lol |
| 02:20.13 | JademusSreg | If none of this makes sense, I'd suggest an introductory guide to dialog controls. |
| 02:20.28 | JademusSreg | Erm, dialog items. |
| 02:20.39 | sharf | I'm not seeing any gui option that looks like it would set property |
| 02:20.47 | sharf | there are tons of different set dialog X |
| 02:21.02 | sharf | wait |
| 02:21.05 | sharf | there is a function |
| 02:21.10 | sharf | Set Dialog Item Accept Mouse |
| 02:21.14 | sharf | could that be it? |
| 02:21.32 | sharf | or |
| 02:21.33 | sharf | better yet |
| 02:21.43 | JademusSreg | No, but -THAT- is what would disable the image from cockblocking the mouse from the button beneath it. |
| 02:21.44 | sharf | Set dialog allowed buttons |
| 02:21.44 | sharf | :P |
| 02:21.48 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 02:21.54 | JademusSreg | That's what you need for the buttons. |
| 02:22.04 | sharf | so I should check left and right? |
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| 02:22.10 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 02:22.24 | hobbidude | hey jade any luck with that reflection demo? |
| 02:22.39 | sharf | ok so then now how do I detect the left vs right in a trigger? |
| 02:22.48 | JademusSreg | I've been busy, hahahobb. |
| 02:23.16 | JademusSreg | It's not a high priority. But when I get around to it, I'll let ya know. =D |
| 02:23.23 | hobbidude | ok ty |
| 02:24.12 | JademusSreg | Question. |
| 02:25.36 | JademusSreg | What manner of missiles will be reflected? Are they standard unit target or point target, or colliders? |
| 02:27.20 | JademusSreg | Is it purely visual or would reflected missiles hit other units? |
| 02:30.59 | sharf | jademus |
| 02:31.03 | sharf | 01how do I detect the left vs right in a trigger?01 |
| 02:31.51 | JademusSreg | Sharf, there is an event response function that returns the mouse button used to click the dialog control. |
| 02:33.34 | sharf | so I use the event dialog item used? |
| 02:33.55 | JademusSreg | Only if you registered the trigger for Any Dialog Control. |
| 02:34.38 | sharf | it's a trigger to detect which button was pressed, then checks against an array to tell which one |
| 02:34.42 | JademusSreg | In script, it's EventDialogControlMouseButton (); |
| 02:34.45 | JademusSreg | Returns an int. |
| 02:35.04 | JademusSreg | Why would one want to do that? |
| 02:35.25 | sharf | do what? |
| 02:35.29 | sharf | what I'm doing? |
| 02:35.36 | JademusSreg | The array-amajig |
| 02:36.52 | sharf | I have an array that each of the buttons is in, so I can tell which button is pressed, and that references another array so I can see which item in the inventory is being interacted with |
| 02:38.45 | JademusSreg | Sounds like structs/Records would be helpful for organization, but that's hardly necessary. |
| 02:40.01 | JademusSreg | Anyway, DataTables would be O(1), arrays would be O(n), so DataTables win for efficiency. |
| 02:40.22 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 02:47.57 | voidn0ise | Question for anyone out there willing to help: Setting up a remake of Wintermaul wars from WC3 and I've gotten pretty much everything done triggerwise. The only thing is that I'm using regions of spawn units at the spawn location, however when I spawn any it says "cannot find placement location" and I can't for the life of me figure out why units won't spawn on top of the gateway. Any ideas> |
| 02:48.31 | JademusSreg | (Needs to be pathable and provide enough room given their radius.) |
| 02:49.39 | voidn0ise | Well I removed the footprint from the gateway to avoid any collision (if that even helps) and I set the ability range to 500, as well as there being plenty of open room around the gateway. Still no cigar. |
| 02:51.38 | sharf | what's gonna be the most appropriate way to move items in an array via a click then click system? first click stores the item and it's position to an array, then when you click the second that gets copied to the first position, then the first overwrites the second? |
| 02:54.03 | JademusSreg | (Unit radius may still collide if they share collision flags.) |
| 03:14.59 | sharf | ok there NEEDs to be a better way of doing thus |
| 03:15.34 | sharf | this* |
| 03:15.43 | sharf | previously, I have every button in an array |
| 03:15.56 | sharf | then I run a check if button pressed == array[1] do this |
| 03:16.07 | sharf | else if button press == array[2] do that |
| 03:16.08 | sharf | etc. |
| 03:16.17 | sharf | but that can't be practical on a large scale |
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| 03:36.46 | JademusSreg | DataTables =D |
| 03:39.18 | JademusSreg | Convert the dialog control, which is an integer, to a string, use it as the key to the data table value you're saving, the item or whatever in this case. |
| 03:39.29 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 03:47.32 | JademusSreg | Oh, and good news, I found a solution to the strange bug I encountered earlier. |
| 03:55.52 | sharf | is datatables a specific type in galaxy editor? |
| 03:56.41 | JademusSreg | The solved bug is rather obscure, so one is unlikely to encounter it, but if a weapon's effect tree root has a validator, specifically an enumerate area validator, return false, the weapon-wielding unit will cease tracking the target will not reacquire until it has either turned or moved or such. |
| 03:56.47 | JademusSreg | And it's not a type. |
| 03:58.14 | JademusSreg | It's a section of the API; DataTables are tables of key-value pairs. |
| 03:58.37 | JademusSreg | They can store nearly any type. |
| 03:59.29 | JademusSreg | You give it a string key and a value, and you can use that same string key somewhere else in the code to "unlock" the value. |
| 03:59.57 | sharf | you've lost me lol |
| 03:59.59 | JademusSreg | So rather like using globals or such, only you're able to call them by name. |
| 04:00.31 | JademusSreg | Well, the forums would have more lengthy, tedious explanations, I expect. |
| 04:01.01 | sharf | I'm not too worried I think I have a relatively easy way of handeling it |
| 04:01.13 | sharf | i just need to redesign my system a little |
| 04:01.47 | JademusSreg | DataTableSetString(bool global, string name, string val); |
| 04:02.13 | JademusSreg | DataTableSetString(true,"someShittyKey","someShittyValue"); |
| 04:02.42 | sharf | triggering player returns the player's number, right? |
| 04:03.15 | JademusSreg | Then in some other part of the code later one can call string watsThisShit = DataTableGetString(true,"someShittyKey"); |
| 04:03.19 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 04:04.41 | sharf | coo |
| 04:04.49 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 04:05.24 | sharf | what would be the delay in a trigger firing if I used one location that moved to a unit when a player pushes a button? |
| 04:05.35 | sharf | if up to 6 people are playing? |
| 04:07.47 | JademusSreg | Not sure what the point of that would be, but the calculation is simple. |
| 04:09.04 | sharf | the point is so that rather than having a trigger for each player, or having tracking triggers etc. |
| 04:09.16 | sharf | I have 1 |
| 04:13.41 | JademusSreg | Updates occur in 1/16 game time second periods, 0.0625 gts, and real time is a factor of game time, so the fastest setting is 1.4 gts for each "real" second, which gives about 22.4 updates per real second, a period of 0.04464285714285714286 rs, which is 44ms. Bnet imposes additional latency to give time for synchronization, said to be about 150ms. So basically, assuming you don't do anything |
| 04:13.41 | JademusSreg | silly with waits or overburden the galaxy environment, the delay is negligible. |
| 04:14.43 | JademusSreg | But that assumes everyone has a good connection. Game latency is only ever as good as the weakest link, so you have far more to worry about from players with shitty connections than a processing bottleneck. |
| 04:14.46 | JademusSreg | bbl++ |
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| 06:08.59 | DeadZergling | Hello those of mapster, who are awake anyways |
| 06:15.45 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 06:31.42 | DeadZergling | boy, I really hate revamping dialogs |
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| 07:38.10 | SioxerNic | Greetings |
| 07:38.28 | SioxerNic | Is anybody actually here, or is everyone AFK as they usually are on any IRC channel? |
| 07:42.10 | JademusSreg | Snapped a ton of screenshots. |
| 07:42.22 | JademusSreg | Almost enough to make a very long flip book., |
| 07:43.11 | SioxerNic | Would anyone here be interested in helping me out testing an Arcade map, if you might have time. |
| 07:43.33 | DeadZergling | what for Jade? |
| 07:48.44 | SioxerNic | Anyone? :/ |
| 07:50.07 | SioxerNic | *Sadface* |
| 07:52.43 | JademusSreg | Zooop |
| 07:52.44 | JademusSreg | https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l0qc7fq98rnio92/RmJ9x5aP1l |
| 07:53.03 | JademusSreg | The images may not yet be finished uploading. |
| 07:53.52 | JademusSreg | Working on a Line-of-Fire and cover system. |
| 07:53.58 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 08:09.41 | JademusSreg | Back. |
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| 08:14.01 | JademusSreg | Anyway, so far a crude implementation is working. Units avoid friendly fire and can make use of cover. Doesn't yet deal with cliffs or obstructions. |
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| 08:21.18 | DeadZergling | Hello Zolden |
| 08:25.25 | Zolden | hey |
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| 08:26.59 | DeadZergling | how goes the map? |
| 08:27.42 | Zolden | almost finished 4 base builders |
| 08:28.07 | DeadZergling | base builders? |
| 08:28.08 | Zolden | ~130 effects, ~100 actors and other shit |
| 08:28.54 | Zolden | at start player will pick 1 of 4 builders, each will have 3 upgradable tower |
| 08:29.27 | Zolden | there will be more towers, which won't be associated with builders |
| 08:29.46 | DeadZergling | only 3? |
| 08:29.51 | DeadZergling | ah |
| 08:30.38 | DeadZergling | towers be harkonnen by chance? |
| 08:31.03 | Zolden | only wow monsters |
| 08:31.14 | Zolden | time of precise dune 2 remake hasn't come |
| 08:32.49 | Zolden | baron vladimir harkonnen bangin his young slave while waiting for me to start remaking dune |
| 08:34.26 | Zolden | rqodie, pladie and ndidie asked about you |
| 08:37.02 | DeadZergling | oh, how come? |
| 08:44.52 | Zolden | they wanted him to go outside and play some dota |
| 08:49.31 | DeadZergling | too bad, forcing myself to remake my shitty char select dialogs |
| 08:54.06 | Zolden | oh no, remaking dialogs is a horror, dialogs are horror |
| 08:57.09 | Kueken | Jade has a neat dialog library |
| 08:57.28 | Kueken | if you use galaxy script, that is |
| 08:59.57 | JademusSreg | Struct-based initialization. Reduces parameters, increases readability. |
| 09:00.32 | JademusSreg | If only galaxy script had classes, class members, instance methods. |
| 09:06.39 | rqodie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RuNAVMl8_I |
| 09:06.47 | Kueken | if only... |
| 09:12.33 | Zolden | wow, what a spectacular bloody hunting episode |
| 09:13.02 | Zolden | it's forbidden on animal planet for being too cruel |
| 09:13.09 | Zolden | how youtube not banned it |
| 09:16.04 | DeadZergling | that was amazingly lame |
| 09:17.04 | DeadZergling | how dare you make me waste 90 seconds watching that |
| 09:18.32 | Zolden | yea, hitler once watched that video and became so mad, so even decided to start a global war |
| 09:50.26 | JademusSreg | Nap time. |
| 10:05.01 | JademusSreg | Correction: I have a meeting in 3 hours, so not-nap time. |
| 10:05.42 | DeadZergling | I'm so kind to my editor |
| 10:05.49 | DeadZergling | tell it F you and die every error it shows |
| 10:06.19 | JademusSreg | Wat errors? |
| 10:06.38 | DeadZergling | just dumb ones, from me trashing an old dialog |
| 10:06.41 | DeadZergling | to replace it with an old one |
| 10:06.57 | DeadZergling | new one, rather |
| 10:07.04 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 10:07.48 | G0A | Zolden made the icons: http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/wowmonsters/#c4 |
| 10:08.54 | Zolden | G0A thanks |
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| 10:13.12 | G0A | me thx |
| 10:21.35 | JademusSreg | Hm. Work on the LoF/cover system or open photoshop and make some Starbound stuff. |
| 10:24.59 | JademusSreg | https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l0qc7fq98rnio92/RmJ9x5aP1l |
| 10:25.47 | Zolden | hwo's that monster from 1st pic? |
| 10:25.52 | Zolden | retextured queen? |
| 10:26.13 | JademusSreg | HotS "Swarm Queen". |
| 10:26.16 | JademusSreg | Nothing special. |
| 10:26.41 | Zolden | why are marines so long ranged? it's imba! |
| 10:26.48 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 10:27.17 | JademusSreg | Actually, I'll be adjusting the entire scale of the gameplay. |
| 10:27.39 | JademusSreg | I just gave them the weapon that will be used at that scale. |
| 10:28.21 | JademusSreg | 1 range unit (r) = 4 meters (m); 1 cell (c) = 1 r^2 = 16 m^2 |
| 10:29.52 | JademusSreg | And a helpful expression for those who persist in refusing to adopt SI measurements like the goddamn metric system: mph to r/s: (((miles*1609.34)/60)/60)/4 = miles*0.11175972222222222222 |
| 10:31.31 | JademusSreg | When I go researching human speed at various paces, for some inexplicable reason people use miles-per-hour. Thus the need for the expression. |
| 10:32.24 | JademusSreg | And the range is on the small side for an assault rifle. |
| 10:33.00 | DeadZergling | that's because base 10 is for sissies! |
| 10:33.15 | DeadZergling | real men change number bases all day for no real reason |
| 10:34.19 | JademusSreg | Fortunately, studies show that while assault rifles have maximum effective ranges of about 500m, the vast majority of engagements are within 100m, so I give the gauss assault rifle a weapon range of about 25. |
| 10:34.22 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 10:35.22 | DeadZergling | depends what you got used to anyways, can convert from english to metric all day |
| 10:35.27 | DeadZergling | won't stop me from thinking in mph or lbs |
| 10:37.27 | JademusSreg | Base 10 makes the most sense for our circumstances. Humans tend to have 10 digits, 5 on each hand, and we wear shoes. Someone once told me Mayans used base 20, and if that's the case, I figure it's because they didn't wear shoes or wore exclusively open-toed sandals. |
| 10:38.03 | DeadZergling | the english weren't particularly bright though |
| 10:38.11 | DeadZergling | toes, who can count all them |
| 10:38.15 | DeadZergling | we'll use one big foot |
| 10:38.17 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 10:38.27 | G0A | Can I search for the nearest unit with search area effect? |
| 10:38.38 | JademusSreg | Goa, target sorts? |
| 10:38.47 | DeadZergling | all going metric or such would be nice, but it isn't going to happen any time soon |
| 10:39.33 | G0A | yeah, finally found target sorts.D |
| 10:39.45 | G0A | distance or distance to target? |
| 10:40.02 | DeadZergling | damn lying gimp and editor |
| 10:40.16 | DeadZergling | shows my dds as showing in gimp preview, in import preview |
| 10:40.24 | DeadZergling | but then images mysteriously are white in game |
| 10:40.37 | JademusSreg | On the contrary, SI measurements are used in science, academia, engineering, technology. Traditional, cultural measurement systems are for the proles. =D |
| 10:40.45 | DeadZergling | this is exactly why I saved xcf backups |
| 10:40.46 | JademusSreg | Distance. |
| 10:40.48 | DeadZergling | I knew it would do this |
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| 10:41.02 | JademusSreg | Distance to Target is not well named. |
| 10:41.16 | G0A | thought so |
| 10:41.21 | JademusSreg | (Nor are the unit references.) |
| 10:41.47 | G0A | also if I set maximum count to 1 in the effect it will still find the nearest? |
| 10:42.06 | Zolden | yea |
| 10:42.08 | JademusSreg | Maximum Count field is good. |
| 10:42.34 | G0A | there is 3 maximum field count actually :) |
| 10:42.35 | JademusSreg | It stops searching as soon as the effect passes validation. |
| 10:42.48 | G0A | one in the effect, one in the area and one in the sort. |
| 10:42.52 | JademusSreg | And I don't mean Area : Count |
| 10:43.17 | Zolden | G0A you can use the one i area and the one in effect |
| 10:43.24 | Zolden | not sure about the sorts |
| 10:43.30 | JademusSreg | Nor do I mean the one in Sorts; I've not used those other fields enough to hazard a guess. |
| 10:44.18 | G0A | will test it:D |
| 10:46.49 | JademusSreg | One of these days I'll test all the various unit references and contruct a flow chart, so I and everyone else will know the differences between Origin, Source, and Caster, and also the Outer references. I have a fuzzy sense of them, shitty ambiguously worded handles for effect tree reference scopes. Just not clear on the details. |
| 10:48.25 | duckies | Origin and outer are completely beyond me, care to give a hint on what they reference? |
| 10:48.35 | Zolden | yeah, even not noobs aren't sure about those sometimes |
| 10:48.53 | Zolden | outer used in cases when unit is in bunker |
| 10:49.08 | Zolden | outer - outside |
| 10:49.20 | duckies | outside = in bunker ;/ |
| 10:49.43 | G0A | lol |
| 10:49.44 | JademusSreg | That terrain is not indicative of the design I have in mind, it's just pretty and convenient to test on. Instead, I'd design more constrained environments to extend the value or positioning, recon, and such. |
| 10:49.59 | Zolden | if unit in bunker, outer may link bunker |
| 10:50.02 | JademusSreg | Think along the lines of tabletop Warhammer/WH40K. |
| 10:50.20 | duckies | oou, so it's linking to it's "shell" |
| 10:50.27 | duckies | cool, thanks zolden |
| 10:50.45 | JademusSreg | Now that you mention it, that sounds familiar. It's fun to relearn shit I didn't use in the first place. =D |
| 10:52.08 | JademusSreg | Ah, the beauty of using an arc value of 0. Perfect for bullets. |
| 10:52.44 | Zolden | perfect for bullshit |
| 10:52.50 | Zolden | sorry |
| 10:52.58 | JademusSreg | If you have a gun that shoots bullshit, yes. |
| 10:52.59 | Zolden | couldn't stand |
| 10:53.04 | JademusSreg | Sounds badass. |
| 10:53.15 | Zolden | taurens may use it |
| 10:53.34 | JademusSreg | Someone email that idea to Taint immediately. |
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| 10:58.33 | JademusSreg | Curious, are models that display flash content restricted? |
| 10:58.38 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.30 | JademusSreg | Oh, note that I took those screenshots after using the in-game UI editor to alpha out the console shit. |
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| 11:00.12 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 11:01.32 | JademusSreg | I've not encountered that issue; I avoid overriding like that. Seems like a nuisance. |
| 11:02.16 | JademusSreg | Is Assets.txt and its contents preloaded? |
| 11:02.27 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.47 | gooose | i just imported it :D |
| 11:03.09 | JademusSreg | Shit like sounds and textures may not work correctly with the interface if they are not added to the preload list. |
| 11:04.07 | JademusSreg | Figured that out in my custom button layout + dialog control hookup test. |
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| 11:05.35 | JademusSreg | How old is that topic? |
| 11:06.26 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.37 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.42 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 11:06.46 | Zolden | last time i used it - it worked |
| 11:07.09 | JademusSreg | Did you leave the editor open between tests? |
| 11:07.09 | Zolden | and looks like it still works, since my map isn't broken |
| 11:07.17 | JademusSreg | Erm, the client. |
| 11:07.19 | JademusSreg | PArdon. |
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| 11:07.43 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
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| 11:08.24 | JademusSreg | I must always ask, anyway, since the cache errors were an issue from the beginning. |
| 11:09.10 | JademusSreg | Go to Map > Preload Info |
| 11:09.27 | JademusSreg | Click Asset Files tab. |
| 11:09.33 | JademusSreg | Try to add some shit there. =D |
| 11:09.34 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 11:10.25 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.36 | gooose | gr8 |
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| 11:14.53 | DeadZergling | dumb question, what does the editor see as a space or null character :P |
| 11:15.07 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.58 | DeadZergling | is in triggers, but I just want a space that the damn editor won't autotruncate on me |
| 11:17.39 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.58 | DeadZergling | oh yes, _ everywhere would look terrific |
| 11:18.13 | DeadZergling | how about I type everything in all CAPS too |
| 11:18.27 | DeadZergling | SO_THEY_ALL_KNOW_HOW_GOOD_I_TALK |
| 11:18.47 | DeadZergling | heh no, _ will not work |
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| 11:20.24 | DeadZergling | make a text fit into a non rectangular shape without cutting the edges off |
| 11:21.13 | gooose | omg :P |
| 11:21.20 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.10 | DeadZergling | probably look tacky then anyways...... is bothersome to not know how to make the space character in the map editor though |
| 11:27.52 | Zolden | fuck yea, all builders finished |
| 11:28.12 | Zolden | so, 15% of the map completed |
| 11:29.22 | Zolden | now I'll create a fountain with unbelievably realistic water |
| 11:31.02 | DeadZergling | thought you already did that |
| 11:31.34 | Zolden | it was a gay water |
| 11:31.41 | Zolden | now i'll use ribbons |
| 11:32.13 | Zolden | ribbons are very underused |
| 11:32.54 | Zolden | they can imitate clothes and hair/fur |
| 11:33.00 | DeadZergling | well have fun with that, going to bed myself |
| 11:33.09 | Zolden | ok, gn |
| 11:33.17 | DeadZergling | had enough fun with formatting text for now |
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| 12:07.03 | Zolden | fuck yea |
| 12:12.11 | JademusSreg | Zooop. |
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| 12:32.51 | Zolden | gooose read that thread, it includes some fixes |
| 12:33.06 | Zolden | some patches changed something |
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| 12:33.50 | Zolden | read the comments |
| 12:33.57 | Zolden | there are updates |
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| 12:45.07 | gooose | okUI/ResourceIconNoBackground3=Assets\Textures\sm_hml_holocrys_displace.dds UI/ResourceIconNoBackgound3_Prot=Assets\Textures\sm_hml_holocrys_displace.dds UI/ResourceIconNoBackgound3_Terr=Assets\Textures\sm_hml_holocrys_displace.dds UI/ResourceIconNoBackgound3_Zerg=Assets\Textures\sm_hml_holocrys_displace.dds UI/ResourceIcon3=Assets\Textures\btn-building-protoss-energycrystal.dds UI/ResourceIcon3_Prot=Assets\Textures\btn-building- |
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| 13:18.47 | G0A | when I increase the maximum life of unit it does increase the its current life by the ratio I increased the maximum life? (if I remember well its that how it used to be) |
| 13:19.19 | Dogmai | Just watched this, super interesting: http://www.ted.com/talks/daniel_suarez_the_kill_decision_shouldn_t_belong_to_a_robot.html |
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| 13:38.42 | Zolden | a fountain http://i.snag.gy/6VpYn.jpg |
| 13:38.45 | Zolden | any notes? |
| 13:39.48 | Dogmai | This was a really good talk; http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_how_to_escape_education_s_death_valley.html |
| 13:42.03 | G0A | Zolden nice, but where does the water go from the last bowl? |
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| 13:44.17 | Zolden | shrugs |
| 13:44.19 | Zolden | dissipates |
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| 13:45.43 | G0A | what a bunch of idiots, where is hitler anyway? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8s9nNxbqMQ |
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| 13:48.53 | Zolden | putins sits near the german chick, they are buddies |
| 13:49.01 | Zolden | they may face alien hitler one day |
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| 15:53.13 | Zolden | small dogs topologically fuck their owners |
| 15:56.08 | G0A | its not dogs fault, the owner's of small dogs never teach their dogs... |
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| 16:04.25 | Zolden | i jsut saw 6 small dogs with their owners, all dogs on ties, and dogs started to play, and all ties tangled badly |
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| 16:28.31 | Zolden | twodie saw my new fountain? http://snag.gy/J6YlD.jpg |
| 16:29.16 | twodie | NICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 16:30.17 | Zolden | alot of particles -> rape eyes |
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| 16:35.05 | G0A | I still dont get where does all that water go? |
| 16:35.12 | G0A | you will flood your map:) |
| 16:40.10 | Zolden | not my map, don't care |
| 16:40.50 | Zolden | I'll note in license that if anyone plan to use the model, water level must slowly raise until all flooded and dead and game over |
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| 17:08.34 | SioxerNic | Hi everyone. |
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| 17:10.43 | SioxerNic | Is it not here to ask for help? |
| 17:10.53 | Dustin|Work | Hi |
| 17:13.26 | twodie | :D |
| 17:13.46 | twodie | hey, help me not to play Dota2 i would be really greatful! |
| 17:14.05 | G0A | twodie give me access to your pc:) |
| 17:14.17 | twodie | right away! |
| 17:14.34 | G0A | SioxerNic feel free to ask anything, in the worst case scenario we dont reply.) |
| 17:15.10 | Zolden | G0A in the worst case we don't replay and call him a noob |
| 17:16.13 | Zolden | twodie to stop playing dota you could find something that would bring more pleasure |
| 17:16.30 | twodie | for example weed :D |
| 17:16.44 | Zolden | it was the example I was going to give you |
| 17:17.27 | Zolden | or write dota client to a dvd, put that dvd on the floor, and defecate on it |
| 17:17.39 | Zolden | this magic ritual can help to stop playing a game |
| 17:17.45 | twodie | ssadly i dont have such friends like you zolden to know and have access to it |
| 17:18.16 | Zolden | twodie everyone has stoner friends |
| 17:18.17 | twodie | well the Dota 2 uses steam so... |
| 17:18.22 | twodie | that not an option |
| 17:18.40 | twodie | well.. |
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| 17:20.28 | Zolden | you can also shit on internet cable |
| 17:20.51 | hobbidude | wants the units for mover speed |
| 17:21.02 | hobbidude | like is it 1 units of distance per second? |
| 17:21.12 | Zolden | yea |
| 17:21.18 | hobbidude | game time or real |
| 17:21.28 | Zolden | dunno |
| 17:21.38 | Dustin|Work | Game Time |
| 17:21.47 | Zolden | lol |
| 17:21.54 | Dustin|Work | If it used real then game speed wouldnt work very well :P |
| 17:22.04 | hobbidude | kk ty |
| 17:22.10 | Zolden | twodie will read "game time" and interpret it as a signal to go play dota |
| 17:22.21 | hobbidude | lmao |
| 17:22.51 | Dustin|Work | stop sucking twodie! |
| 17:23.05 | twodie | yeah i probably should do that |
| 17:23.25 | hobbidude | god so that would mean the fastest a projectile with a 1 range search area can accurately go is 16 |
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| 17:47.51 | Squeegeez | Hey, is anyone experienced with trigger Dialogs? I'm looking for a template or help creating one |
| 17:47.54 | sharf | I'm so confused....I have this working in another map but it wont in this one...I'm trying to do an action set that also uses a record, but for some reason I can't set the record variable's members |
| 17:50.31 | Dustin|Work | Squeegeez, there's plenty of dialog tutorials on SC2mapster forums, go check that out and ask specific questions if you can't figure it out :) |
| 17:50.34 | twodie | sharf maybe the type is the problem |
| 17:50.46 | Squeegeez | Hey, is anyone experienced with trigger Dialogs? I'm looking for a template or help creating one. 1) Close button 2) Flashing the whole thing 3) Text followed by a "view" button that changes camera to an event 4) Text followed by "Yes" and "No" buttons. 5) A checkbox followed by text 6) Aligning it to be above the minimap. |
| 17:50.46 | Dustin|Work | sharf |
| 17:50.51 | Squeegeez | Thanks Dustin |
| 17:51.07 | Dustin|Work | Sharf, did you make a variable to reference the Record? |
| 17:51.08 | Squeegeez | I was looking around but couldn't find any easy "templates" to start me going |
| 17:51.13 | sharf | yes |
| 17:53.00 | Dustin|Work | Squeegeez, http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/17969-dialogs-really-great-looking-dialogs-part-1/#posts |
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| 17:53.56 | Squeegeez | Thanks! |
| 17:55.59 | sharf | yes...the record variable is tied t othe record |
| 17:56.16 | sharf | but when I set the variable of that record variable |
| 17:56.32 | sharf | it only lets me edit the variable[i] there is no member |
| 17:58.07 | Dustin|Work | Are you sure the type is set correctly |
| 17:58.25 | sharf | - Record |
| 17:58.32 | sharf | then record is correct |
| 17:59.15 | sharf | ok there we go |
| 17:59.20 | sharf | I just redid it all |
| 17:59.24 | sharf | something didn't click in the system |
| 17:59.30 | Dustin|Work | laaame |
| 17:59.32 | sharf | I just reset them all and it works |
| 17:59.44 | sharf | pain in the ass lol |
| 18:04.37 | G0A | hmm the only easy way to extract all the text from my map is with mpqeditor? |
| 18:06.11 | twodie | pretty much yes, if JademusSreg wont contradict if im using this word right |
| 18:07.55 | Dustin|Work | Is there no export option in the Text Editor? |
| 18:07.55 | G0A | hmm Barcraft have been removed, where is Duckies? |
| 18:08.12 | G0A | Dustin|Work didnt found one |
| 18:08.28 | Dustin|Work | That's lame |
| 18:09.46 | JademusSreg | Dreadful meeting. |
| 18:10.01 | JademusSreg | And yes, easy. |
| 18:10.29 | JademusSreg | It can even be done without MPQEditor. |
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| 18:11.27 | JademusSreg | Import module > toggle on the checkbox labeled "Show Reserved Files". This will display all the files in the map mpq. |
| 18:12.35 | JademusSreg | Then all you do is Export the txt files, such as GameStrings and one or two others. |
| 18:13.30 | JademusSreg | MPQEditor is better if you need to extract a large volume, otherwise the Import module works just fine. |
| 18:13.35 | G0A | nice |
| 18:16.28 | JademusSreg | Note this is a one-way solution. Editor-reserved files can be extracted, but cannot be reimported in the same scope, so if you intend to reimport modified versions of the files, one would use MPQEditor or the SC2Components approach (which works well for extraction in a sense). |
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| 18:17.03 | sharf | how do I use the returned value from an action preset? |
| 18:17.18 | sharf | action definition* |
| 18:17.23 | Dustin|Work | Can't Import on the import module? |
| 18:17.23 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 18:17.34 | Dustin|Work | sharf you dont |
| 18:17.37 | Dustin|Work | You use a function instead |
| 18:17.46 | Dustin|Work | Actions don't return values |
| 18:17.51 | sharf | well what the hell is the point of having it then lol |
| 18:18.05 | Dustin|Work | Organization and function seperation |
| 18:18.13 | JademusSreg | (Well, the native the action is wrapping might, but GUI just ignores those returns.) |
| 18:18.36 | Dustin|Work | if I have code that makes a new random unit and does other stuff a whole bunch instead of writing the code each time I just call my Action MakeUnitAndDoStuff() |
| 18:18.56 | JademusSreg | GUI actions are analogous to a function return type void. |
| 18:19.17 | Dustin|Work | I dont think it will even let you set a return type on actions in GUI |
| 18:19.55 | sharf | it does |
| 18:20.10 | Dustin|Work | That's stupid |
| 18:20.33 | sharf | I want a little script that runs something, and returns something for me to use later in the trigger...so I don't have to write the same trigger thing 10 times |
| 18:20.38 | sharf | how do I pull that off then? |
| 18:20.41 | Dustin|Work | Function |
| 18:20.47 | sharf | right i made it |
| 18:20.51 | sharf | now how do I use it in the trigger? |
| 18:20.54 | JademusSreg | Dogmai, I already watched the education death valley TEDtalk. Enjoyed it more than most of the lectures, as it wove humor well throughout. |
| 18:21.04 | Dustin|Work | Variable = YourNewFunction() |
| 18:21.16 | Dustin|Work | That will set your varaible to the return value of the function |
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| 18:21.54 | Dustin|Work | Make sure you set the Functions return type to the stype of variable you need(Unit,int, whatever) |
| 18:22.35 | sharf | yeah I think I got it now |
| 18:23.40 | sharf | uhm so I'm getting a compile error when i try to save |
| 18:23.49 | Dustin|Work | What's the error |
| 18:24.00 | sharf | Script failed to compile: Expected a return value (See Trigger Editor for more details) |
| 18:24.13 | Dustin|Work | Your function has to return |
| 18:24.16 | Dustin|Work | Always |
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| 18:24.28 | Dustin|Work | So you probl have a case in your code where it won't return a value |
| 18:24.37 | sharf | to my knowledge it does... |
| 18:24.43 | Dustin|Work | Copy-paste the code |
| 18:25.00 | Dustin|Work | or ss |
| 18:25.01 | sharf | what's the website for pasting sc2 triggers? |
| 18:25.18 | Dustin|Work | oh damn I dont have it bookmarked on my work machine, oone sec |
| 18:27.06 | Dustin|Work | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?game=sc2 |
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| 18:27.30 | sharf | seriously? lol |
| 18:27.39 | Dustin|Work | ? |
| 18:27.46 | sharf | nothing it just didn't do ti right |
| 18:28.15 | JademusSreg | What's the issue Siox? |
| 18:28.26 | sharf | do I have to copy it as text? |
| 18:28.29 | Dustin|Work | yes |
| 18:28.37 | sharf | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3136 |
| 18:28.39 | sharf | mmk |
| 18:29.17 | sharf | oh hey I didn't short hand that button image |
| 18:29.18 | sharf | lol |
| 18:29.51 | JademusSreg | Clarify what is meant by "update inventory displays"? What is the purpose of this code? |
| 18:30.02 | Dustin|Work | I need your Function |
| 18:30.34 | Dustin|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.36 | sharf | this trigger runs repeatedly to update the locations of items in the "inventory" that is displayed on the screen for each player |
| 18:30.57 | JademusSreg | Odd approach. |
| 18:31.02 | sharf | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3137 |
| 18:31.11 | sharf | I might be changing how I do it |
| 18:31.18 | sharf | but I still need this little bit to work for the change |
| 18:31.24 | JademusSreg | Unless inventory items have a tendency of moving around on their own like the dry goods in a wizard's pantry. |
| 18:31.38 | Dustin|Work | Right there is the problem |
| 18:31.42 | sharf | if I can make it work I'm going make it update on item modification |
| 18:32.08 | sharf | what did I do wrong? lol |
| 18:32.09 | Dustin|Work | You're only returning true if the item = unit type |
| 18:32.11 | JademusSreg | Doesn't make sense to -start- from a bad approach. |
| 18:32.34 | sharf | the return type is integer...and I is an integer |
| 18:32.39 | sharf | and I'm returning what I is |
| 18:32.47 | sharf | or rather i |
| 18:32.51 | Dustin|Work | Set a $return variable to null at the beginning, then just set $return = i if it matches |
| 18:33.01 | Dustin|Work | Then at the end not under any IF or FOR do Return $return |
| 18:33.24 | sharf | why will that work any different from this? |
| 18:33.27 | Dustin|Work | You have to always return a value, your current setup has the possiblity that it wont, that's why its not compiling |
| 18:33.32 | Dustin|Work | It will work |
| 18:33.33 | sharf | I don't understand why I need a return variable |
| 18:33.35 | Dustin|Work | unlike that :P |
| 18:33.39 | Dustin|Work | ... |
| 18:33.45 | Dustin|Work | You wanted an action that returend a value |
| 18:33.52 | sharf | oh ok |
| 18:33.54 | sharf | hmm |
| 18:33.54 | Dustin|Work | That's why you need to return |
| 18:34.02 | twodie | So skull for the wall http://snag.gy/DzIvY.jpg |
| 18:34.18 | JademusSreg | twod, skulls for the skull throne. |
| 18:35.04 | sharf | ok well |
| 18:35.14 | Zolden | go go twodie |
| 18:35.15 | JademusSreg | Though I'm concerned Khorne may be displeased with a low-poly skull throne, unless it has some highres normals. |
| 18:35.20 | sharf | that's annoying lol because it can't possibly not return something |
| 18:35.25 | sharf | it just doesn't know it |
| 18:35.54 | Squeegeez | Simple question: To align a dialog to be (roughly) above the minimap, what would I use? (Currently have Dialog - Create a Modal dialog of size (500, 400) at (0, 1000) relative to Bottom Left of screen) |
| 18:36.18 | JademusSreg | Fundamental programming logic. Some languages are lax on that shit, but not usually languages with static allocation of memory, like galaxy. |
| 18:36.26 | Dustin|Work | The Compiler doesn't know it, so you have to be tricky |
| 18:36.32 | JademusSreg | Squee, not that. |
| 18:36.38 | Dustin|Work | Just keep that in mind when working on functions |
| 18:36.42 | sharf | so...wait then |
| 18:37.50 | sharf | mmk it compiled |
| 18:37.52 | sharf | time to test |
| 18:38.17 | JademusSreg | Rather, anchors and offsets can work and look satisfactory. |
| 18:38.29 | sharf | ok well now THAT is wrong...lol |
| 18:38.43 | JademusSreg | But it is also doable to actually anchor it directly to the UI frame itself. |
| 18:39.02 | JademusSreg | Rather than attempting to simulate such a relative position. |
| 18:39.44 | sharf | ok yeah this is fucking me lol |
| 18:41.18 | JademusSreg | native int DialogControlHookupStandard (int type, string inTemplate); |
| 18:41.19 | JademusSreg | native int DialogControlHookupUnitStatus (int type, string inTemplate, unit inUnit); |
| 18:41.19 | JademusSreg | Both of these natives hookup to / template from UI elements. |
| 18:41.38 | Squeegeez | JademusSreg, would you be able to give me a basic trigger to start with? (Pasted as text) |
| 18:41.44 | sharf | ok if I have one trigger (that is triggered by a player) and it runs another trigger, will that second trigger be able to use triggering player? |
| 18:42.01 | nooblark | no.. |
| 18:42.11 | Squeegeez | I'm just pretty new to it, and need a start I can play with |
| 18:42.17 | nooblark | but you can reference the player another way in parameters |
| 18:42.28 | nooblark | not via triggers, but via a function |
| 18:43.09 | nooblark | squeegeez, are you trying to learn how to trigger? |
| 18:43.18 | JademusSreg | So if you made (in the UI module) a custom layout frame and anchored it to the minimap frame, then one would call a hookup native and it would effectively become that UI frame, while also being exposed to the dialog control API. |
| 18:43.40 | Squeegeez | I know how to do triggers |
| 18:43.41 | JademusSreg | Also, correction, not UnitStatus: native int DialogControlHookup (int panel, int type, string inTemplate); |
| 18:43.51 | nooblark | there are some pretty good tuturials out there for starting off. if you have any sort of programming experience or knowledge, it's pretty simple |
| 18:44.07 | Squeegeez | Just learning how to do dialogs |
| 18:44.09 | nooblark | oh |
| 18:44.11 | nooblark | have fun! |
| 18:44.15 | nooblark | lol |
| 18:44.18 | Dustin|Work | Sharf |
| 18:44.24 | nooblark | hey dustin <3 |
| 18:44.28 | Squeegeez | It's going to be a fancy-ish dialogue |
| 18:44.28 | Dustin|Work | In that case, use PArameteres for your function |
| 18:44.36 | Dustin|Work | And pass the triggering player to the function |
| 18:44.37 | JademusSreg | And my apologies, I don't much have time for covering basics. |
| 18:44.38 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 18:44.39 | Dustin|Work | hey nooblark! |
| 18:44.48 | nooblark | did you ever finish that map up? |
| 18:44.56 | nooblark | or another procrastination project? |
| 18:45.00 | Dustin|Work | Which map |
| 18:45.11 | Dustin|Work | Hybrid Assault? |
| 18:45.17 | sharf | can I create a dialog image item...without an image? |
| 18:45.18 | nooblark | yah |
| 18:45.18 | Dustin|Work | I've been working on it a little at a time |
| 18:45.50 | Dustin|Work | sharf, If you don't supply an actuall image it either doesnt show or defaults to like white or something |
| 18:45.51 | nooblark | so procrastination :P |
| 18:45.57 | Dustin|Work | Time limited :P |
| 18:46.03 | nooblark | understandable |
| 18:46.25 | sharf | hmm |
| 18:47.07 | nooblark | cool story happened today, i was listening to some programming basics in javascript and when it got to objects i got excited beause i never learned them and always wanted to.. then i realized i did in fact learn them, in sc2 editor! lol |
| 18:47.28 | halides | boolean story, brah |
| 18:47.45 | nooblark | lol halide |
| 18:48.20 | JademusSreg | Progress on the Line-of-Fire / cover system, in gallery form. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l0qc7fq98rnio92/RmJ9x5aP1l |
| 18:50.44 | JademusSreg | I appreciate how a boolean story doesn't address the veracity of the story. |
| 18:52.39 | JademusSreg | May not be immediately obvious from the images, but the units will not attack if a friendly unit is in the line of fire. |
| 18:52.43 | JademusSreg | brb++ |
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| 18:54.35 | Squeegeez | JademusSreg, I found "Dialog - Hook up an existing Button called Name in dialog item (Last created dialog item)" but not "DialogControlHookup (int panel, int type, string inTemplate)" |
| 19:06.21 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 19:06.52 | JademusSreg | I work with galaxy script. GUI naming conventions may differ, but don't worry about it. |
| 19:08.23 | JademusSreg | GUI has access to pretty much all the same shit, and uses much of the same terms, so figuring out which actions/functions I mean shouldn't be too difficult. |
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| 19:22.53 | Dustin|Work | ... |
| 19:22.56 | Dustin|Work | Don't care! |
| 19:23.02 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 19:23.11 | Dustin|Work | The mass freenode msg |
| 19:23.32 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 19:38.38 | Squeegeez | Ah, I see JademusSreg. What's the code for changing text size to a bigger pt font. |
| 19:39.28 | Squeegeez | I can't find an option to do it besides the <> </> code |
| 19:39.36 | JademusSreg | Depends on the context. |
| 19:39.42 | Squeegeez | And I don't know the code =P |
| 19:39.46 | JademusSreg | Text and strings support concatenation. |
| 19:39.55 | Squeegeez | Within a dialog label |
| 19:40.09 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 19:40.15 | JademusSreg | Dialog control properties. |
| 19:40.44 | JademusSreg | GUI would call it something like Set Dialog Item Property. |
| 19:41.20 | Squeegeez | What would you call it? I don't mind throwing in a size code because I can't find anything for text |
| 19:42.10 | JademusSreg | DialogControlSetPropertyAsString(int control,c_triggerControlPropertyStyle, playergroup players, string value); |
| 19:43.24 | JademusSreg | The other arguments will need to be filled. |
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| 20:33.33 | Zolden | anyopne knows how to change color of cutscene editor background? |
| 20:37.46 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 20:38.32 | JademusSreg | I don't use the cutscene editor much. Clunky. |
| 20:40.27 | Dustin|Work | I dont like the cutscene editor |
| 20:40.42 | Dustin|Work | It's features shouild have just been integrated into the editor outright |
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| 20:41.49 | Zolden | oh, i found where background has the color i want - in terrain editor when we select a model |
| 20:43.34 | zalzice | Hi, im new in map "making". Im trying to make a trigger when a user types "foobar" (in the chat). It should change size of the current selected unit. |
| 20:43.38 | Zolden | JademusSreg maybe it's clunky, but we have no alternative |
| 20:44.06 | zalzice | But it doesnt change anything:/ |
| 20:44.45 | Zolden | zalzice how do you change scale? |
| 20:44.58 | zalzice | Events: Game - Player any player types a chat message containgin "foobar", matching Partially. Action: Unit set (picked unit= scale to(1.0%,1.0%,1.0%) of its original size |
| 20:45.20 | zalzice | - |
| 20:45.37 | zalzice | I now the trigger works, since I added a debug message |
| 20:45.42 | zalzice | know* |
| 20:46.19 | JademusSreg | Zol, not an issue for me. If I wanted to make non-interactive narratives, I'd make movies, not games. |
| 20:46.36 | JademusSreg | Zal, Triggering unit,. |
| 20:46.39 | JademusSreg | -Not- picked unit. |
| 20:47.20 | Dustin|Work | Picked Unit is for the function PickEachUnitInUnitGRoup |
| 20:47.27 | zalzice | I tried triggering unit, but i get error message in game |
| 20:47.32 | zalzice | which i dont understand |
| 20:47.34 | zalzice | :/ |
| 20:47.35 | zalzice | :P |
| 20:47.39 | Dustin|Work | Triggering Unit is going to be the target for events like, (Any Unit) is selected |
| 20:47.40 | JademusSreg | Ah, silly me. |
| 20:47.49 | Dustin|Work | What even do you ahve |
| 20:47.51 | Dustin|Work | have* |
| 20:47.52 | JademusSreg | * a selected unit |
| 20:47.54 | Dustin|Work | Event* |
| 20:48.00 | JademusSreg | wasn't paying attention. |
| 20:48.26 | Dustin|Work | OH |
| 20:48.39 | Dustin|Work | You need to set a new variable zalzice |
| 20:49.05 | Dustin|Work | SelectedUnit = Unit 1 from (Units selected by triggering player) |
| 20:49.31 | Dustin|Work | Then use Action: Unit set (SelectedUnit= scale to(1.0%,1.0%,1.0%) of its original size |
| 20:49.32 | Dustin|Work | <zalzice> - |
| 20:52.19 | zalzice | ah |
| 20:52.24 | zalzice | i will try |
| 20:58.33 | Dustin|Work | I can see how Picked Unit get's used a lot, it's not named very well |
| 21:02.05 | zalzice | I have to blame myself, I havent read any docs/tutorial making map. I thought is going to be easy what i just wanted to do, but i already spent like 1-2h to trying make a "simple map". :/ |
| 21:04.30 | Dustin|Work | Welcome to our world :D I've been working with the SC2 editor since Beta and Blizzard Editors since SC1, and It still takes me fucking forever to make anything |
| 21:12.24 | zalzice | haha :-) |
| 21:12.40 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 21:13.13 | JademusSreg | More like the more one learns, the more experimental shit one wants to create. |
| 21:14.21 | Dustin|Work | Yeah, that's how it goes :( |
| 21:14.33 | Dustin|Work | If anyone hasn't played Torchlight, it's free atm |
| 21:14.34 | Dustin|Work | http://www.gog.com/news/nodrm_summer_get_torchlight_free_for_48_hours |
| 21:15.37 | Zolden | zalzice actually, after a threshold level of knowledge you will aquire an ability to find the right ways to do things you never done, it will be possible after you understand the logic of the editor |
| 21:23.25 | JademusSreg | Hmmm. |
| 21:31.46 | Squeegeez | JademusSreg, thanks for helping me earlier; this is what the dialog looks like (left side) |
| 21:31.55 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 21:32.01 | Squeegeez | you too dustin, for the tutorial =D |
| 21:32.21 | Squeegeez | http://i.imgur.com/nREsphl.jpg |
| 21:33.31 | Squeegeez | Now on to the trigger portion. Is there a way to turn on and off tiggers for certain players? As well as passing a player parameter into a generic trigger? |
| 21:33.37 | Dustin|Work | Welcome sir! |
| 21:34.09 | Dustin|Work | 1. No, unless you make a trigger per player |
| 21:34.18 | Dustin|Work | 2. Explain what you're wanting to do more |
| 21:36.50 | Squeegeez | 2. One trigger calls another trigger to run. The first trigger has a local variable. It needs to pass it so connects with a local variable in the second trigger. |
| 21:37.17 | Dustin|Work | Yes, Function + Parameter setup on the function |
| 21:37.23 | JademusSreg | Generic trigger signaling was added recently (I take all the credit for the idea). |
| 21:37.40 | Zolden | Squeegeez is it some kind of Civilization game? |
| 21:38.04 | Dustin|Work | Then you can something like $TriggeringPlayer = Triggering_Player; MyCustomFunction($TriggeringPlayer); |
| 21:38.45 | Squeegeez | Zolden, it's Doomed Earth, a kind of civilization-ish game, yes. More like advanced risk, with doomsday devices! |
| 21:39.40 | Squeegeez | Have a handy link to a good function tutorial? |
| 21:40.09 | Dustin|Work | Doubt there are any |
| 21:40.11 | Squeegeez | In case I get stuck or confused :3 |
| 21:40.13 | Dustin|Work | Functions are pretty easy |
| 21:40.23 | Dustin|Work | Just make a new Function or Action |
| 21:40.32 | Dustin|Work | If you want a return value, use Function, if not use a new Action |
| 21:40.53 | Dustin|Work | Then make any parameters for that function/action and you're good to start calling it from your main script |
| 21:41.48 | Squeegeez | Man, that's a lot of function options I don't know, haha. Creating threads, sub-functions, native, hidden, etc @_@ |
| 21:42.28 | Dustin|Work | Don't worry about those for now |
| 21:42.37 | Dustin|Work | All you need is the basic setup |
| 21:42.47 | Dustin|Work | You can play with the other options as you get things working |
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| 21:43.11 | draktok | How do i always end up on twodies soundcloud |
| 21:43.12 | draktok | damnit |
| 21:43.30 | Squeegeez | Alright, I'll play with it, thanks |
| 21:43.40 | Dustin|Work | draktok, cause you got it bookmarked |
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| 21:43.51 | draktok | no i have zoldens soundcloud bookmarked |
| 21:43.56 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 21:43.56 | draktok | and i go there then i end up on twodies somehow |
| 21:44.32 | draktok | i blame you for this Zolden |
| 21:49.19 | Zolden | hmm |
| 21:49.21 | Zolden | strange |
| 21:49.49 | Zolden | bookmark that guy's soundcloud |
| 21:58.42 | draktok | why it's not good music |
| 21:59.04 | Zolden | i mean that guy |
| 21:59.17 | Zolden | who's like "lemme help you maps, i'm pro" |
| 21:59.19 | Zolden | and he's pro |
| 21:59.53 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 22:00.01 | Zolden | www.soundcloud.com/davidlevymusic |
| 22:00.03 | Zolden | this guy |
| 22:03.16 | Zolden | tainted said he persuaded this guy to create music for his map for free |
| 22:06.42 | motive | isnt tainted banned? |
| 22:07.28 | SioxerNic | Anyone here wanna come and test + play a map I made, I want to check for bugs? |
| 22:07.38 | SioxerNic | And the more the better to check how it handles more people. |
| 22:07.41 | Squeegeez | What's the action for when a dialog button is pressed? Like how do I make the button /do/ something? |
| 22:08.01 | SioxerNic | Event: Dialog used |
| 22:08.11 | SioxerNic | Dialog Item Used specifically |
| 22:08.40 | SioxerNic | Then you can do a conditional with Used Dialog Item to compare the dialog. |
| 22:09.42 | Squeegeez | Can I do it conditionally? Like wait for (timer OR button 1 OR button 2)? |
| 22:11.04 | Zolden | motive banned? who would dare to ban tainted?! |
| 22:17.11 | draktok | why why banned |
| 22:20.13 | nooblark | lol tainted got banned? |
| 22:21.12 | nooblark | squeegeez i'm not sure if this is the best method, but a boolean would allow you to have conditional |
| 22:21.43 | nooblark | the trigger would fire when dialog button is pressed and if time on timer > 0 or button 1 or 2 == false as conditions |
| 22:22.01 | Squeegeez | I made dialog items as local variables, can it wait for buttonpresses on those items? |
| 22:22.25 | nooblark | i'm not quite sure what you're asking |
| 22:22.47 | Squeegeez | Is there a way to have an internal event listen? |
| 22:22.53 | Squeegeez | uhh... |
| 22:23.12 | nooblark | you want it to just do something if a button is pressed, right? |
| 22:23.35 | nooblark | (by button, i mean dialog item) |
| 22:23.36 | Squeegeez | Trying to make it so each player has a separate trigger that runs. In that trigger a dialog is created, and buttons. The trigger then waits for a timer or a buttonpress, then destroys the dialog. |
| 22:23.55 | Squeegeez | I want it to "wait" for a button to be pressed. |
| 22:23.59 | A1win | that's horrible implementation :x |
| 22:24.04 | nooblark | dialogs are player independent. welcome to dialogs :P |
| 22:24.16 | A1win | and/or design |
| 22:24.42 | Squeegeez | I just don't want the dialog reappearing. |
| 22:24.50 | nooblark | hide dialog for player |
| 22:24.56 | nooblark | create dialog for player |
| 22:25.40 | Squeegeez | Alwin, I'm new to dialogs, thanks for the point out. I don't want to have a bunch of global variables for 5 different button states for 111 players |
| 22:25.42 | A1win | you should store the dialogs globally if you want to access them based on events |
| 22:25.42 | Squeegeez | 11* |
| 22:26.08 | nooblark | create dialog named vote, dialog item 1, dialog item 2, show dialog for all players. if button press or timer == 0, hide dialog for player |
| 22:26.19 | A1win | you only need one dialog item that handles all players |
| 22:26.32 | nooblark | creating the dialog will show to all players, and you can hide it on an idividual basis |
| 22:26.39 | A1win | and use Records to group up variables |
| 22:26.50 | nooblark | a1, skip the records part :P |
| 22:27.17 | Squeegeez | Is there a way for "Event - Dialog button pressed" to know which dialog the button came from? |
| 22:27.44 | nooblark | programming 101 that everyone seems to skip out on: make a working program before making it pretty and efficient (if you don't have the knowledge of making them from the start) |
| 22:27.48 | nooblark | yes |
| 22:27.59 | nooblark | dialog items can be assigned variables |
| 22:28.09 | nooblark | test for what variable (dialog item) was selected |
| 22:28.47 | A1win | create dialog; set dialog variable = last created dialog; create dialog item; set dialog item variable = last created dialog item; |
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| 22:29.35 | A1win | event: dialog item clicked; if (used dialog item == dialog item variable) { do something for triggering player } |
| 22:29.58 | Squeegeez | can I just assign "dialog item button 1" to "last created dialog". Then event "dialog button pressed", get dialog of the dialog item pressed, find who the dialog belongs to, do the button action for player |
| 22:30.13 | A1win | yeah |
| 22:30.20 | A1win | umm |
| 22:30.23 | Squeegeez | sweet, thanks for helping me piece that out |
| 22:30.25 | A1win | you don't need to find who the dialog belongs to |
| 22:30.33 | A1win | just use "triggering player" to get the player who clicked it |
| 22:30.40 | Squeegeez | oh |
| 22:30.42 | A1win | you only need one button and it can handle all players |
| 22:30.44 | Squeegeez | thanks for the shortcut |
| 22:30.52 | nooblark | This event fires when a dialog item is used. Use "Dialog Item Event Type" to find out how the event was triggered. Use "Used Dialog Item" to get the dialog item that triggered this event. Use "Triggering Player" to get the player that used the dialog item. |
| 22:31.24 | A1win | and yeah, read the event descriptions in the editor |
| 22:31.31 | nooblark | i miss sc2 editor :( |
| 22:31.35 | Squeegeez | Alright, I'll try it out and see how it goes, there's 5 buttons, with different actions so I'll be awhile |
| 22:32.22 | nooblark | so what happened to taintedwisp? :O |
| 22:33.38 | Squeegeez | Ah, I was refraining from using "button pressed" as an event, because of the network traffic drawbacks it mentions, didn't realize there was a "dialog item used" event, kudos |
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| 22:41.04 | Squeegeez | Is there a way to have a "button type" (like 'yes' type button, 'no' type button), instead of just "dialog item"? |
| 22:42.30 | Squeegeez | @nooblark @A1win |
| 22:42.53 | Squeegeez | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.55 | A1win | no |
| 22:43.09 | A1win | all dialog items are of type "Dialog Item" |
| 22:43.16 | Squeegeez | So how do I determine which button was pressed? |
| 22:43.25 | A1win | you store them into variables when you create them |
| 22:43.26 | nooblark | set them to a varible |
| 22:43.31 | A1win | and compare the variable to Used Dialog Item |
| 22:43.44 | nooblark | create dialog item+ set variable = last created dialog item |
| 22:44.06 | Squeegeez | Damn, just what I was trying to avoid, ah well, I guess 5 global variables isn't that bad, compared to a lot more I was thinking (for each player) |
| 22:44.09 | nooblark | if used dialog item == variable dialog item {do stuff |
| 22:45.35 | A1win | 5 variables is nothing |
| 22:45.57 | nooblark | lol |
| 22:47.19 | A1win | use Records to keep variables organized |
| 22:47.23 | Squeegeez | Records are global, right? |
| 22:47.33 | nooblark | yes |
| 22:47.43 | Squeegeez | cool, using em |
| 22:47.45 | nooblark | also confusing for new users |
| 22:47.52 | A1win | they can be global or local |
| 22:47.55 | nooblark | i used folders when i first started :P |
| 22:48.02 | A1win | record creates a new variable type |
| 22:48.23 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_(computer_science)# |
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| 22:49.33 | Squeegeez | Arrays in SC2 start at Array[0], not Array[1], correct? |
| 22:49.45 | A1win | yeah |
| 22:49.51 | A1win | but "size" in the GUI means the last index |
| 22:50.05 | A1win | so if you set the size to 1, it's actually 2 (indexes 0 and 1) |
| 22:50.21 | nooblark | damn GUI.. |
| 22:50.40 | A1win | anyway, you'd make a record named "DialogRecord" for example with five variables: Button1, Button2, ... , Button5, and then make a global variable of type "- Record: DialogRecord" |
| 22:50.48 | Squeegeez | gotcha |
| 22:51.08 | Squeegeez | I made the buttons constants with names to make it easier =D |
| 22:51.11 | A1win | if the global variable is named Dialogs, you can then reference the buttons with Dialogs.Button1 , Dialogs.Button2 , ... , Dialogs.Button5 |
| 22:51.20 | A1win | you can't make them constants |
| 22:51.30 | A1win | you can't assign values to constant variables on run time |
| 22:52.40 | A1win | and dialogs can only be created on runtime |
| 22:53.30 | Squeegeez | nah, ButtonClose is integer constant 0, ButtonYes is integer constant 1, etc. for navigating inside DeclareWarDialogButtons Dialog Item Array |
| 22:54.01 | A1win | ._x |
| 22:54.23 | Squeegeez | so DeclareWarDialogButtons[ButtonYes] would be that particular dialog item type |
| 22:54.25 | A1win | oh, you made it an array |
| 22:54.38 | A1win | (that's not a record) |
| 22:54.43 | Squeegeez | yeah, I put the array inside the record, along with a few more variables |
| 22:54.53 | Squeegeez | since they were related |
| 22:54.56 | A1win | ah |
| 22:55.07 | A1win | why does it need to be an array :P |
| 22:55.17 | Squeegeez | I like arrays? =P |
| 22:55.26 | A1win | I'd have made them separate variables within that record |
| 22:55.30 | A1win | no need to hazzle with indexes |
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| 22:56.07 | Squeegeez | Sigh... I think you might be right yet again =P |
| 22:56.18 | nooblark | a1win, nothng wrong with arrays, imo. |
| 22:56.19 | A1win | well just a matter of preference |
| 22:56.27 | A1win | but my preferences are the only correct preferences |
| 22:56.37 | A1win | :| |
| 22:56.37 | nooblark | it's an alternate way to achieve the same thing |
| 22:56.40 | Squeegeez | It's actually a little cleaner without the array though |
| 22:56.43 | A1win | yes but it's more confusing :P |
| 22:57.08 | Squeegeez | Since the Array is inside a Record it gets a little more abstract |
| 22:57.23 | nooblark | sqeegeez, with an array you can loop through dialogItemArray[i] just as a record would, but it's so much less confusing :P |
| 22:57.45 | A1win | you can write "1" or you can write "57574-57573", both mean the same thing but the first one is cleaner ;p |
| 22:57.52 | A1win | nooblark, that's only useful if you have a reason to iterate through it |
| 22:58.06 | nooblark | if you get caught up on doing it how everyone else would do it, you'll never make it past map design. if something is inefficient or not working, then is a good time to change it |
| 22:58.42 | nooblark | he does have a reason to iterate through it, he wants to know what button (out of 5) was used |
| 22:58.45 | A1win | he doesn't |
| 22:58.52 | A1win | he had specific purposes for the buttons |
| 22:59.08 | A1win | like Yes and No |
| 22:59.19 | A1win | what good is it to get the number of those buttons between 1 and 5 :P |
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| 23:00.40 | Squeegeez | I'd do a dialog check. ("Dialog item pressed" == dialog item variable for yes button) OR (no button) OR (etc..) |
| 23:00.57 | hero_lief | Eurgh. I've got one issue that's really starting to bug me, and I don't know if anyone can actually help. |
| 23:01.04 | hero_lief | Is anyone here good with actors? |
| 23:01.11 | A1win | Squeegeez, you don't need to have conditions for the trigger like that |
| 23:01.26 | A1win | just make a switch or if-then-else statement inside the trigger to handle each case |
| 23:01.41 | Squeegeez | well it would run actions on the conditions |
| 23:02.10 | A1win | event: dialog item clicked: switch (Used DIalog Item) { case YesButton: do yes stuff; case NoButton: do no stuff; } |
| 23:02.13 | Squeegeez | so if the button pressed was yes button, declare war, hide dialog |
| 23:02.44 | nooblark | a1win, for his example, i see your point. i was thinking of some of my own dialogs i've done where iteration was more efficient :P |
| 23:02.46 | Squeegeez | ah, yeah a switch would cut down on the comparrison fiddling |
| 23:02.46 | A1win | yeah but that "or" statement you said didn't make any sense |
| 23:03.08 | Squeegeez | true, it was more of a quick type one |
| 23:06.09 | Squeegeez | erm, how do I set the variables inside the Record? I can't find it when I use "Set Variable" in another trigger |
| 23:09.39 | hero_lief | Does anyone know why I can't use the actor command ModelSwap for the Baneling or Feederling actors?... |
| 23:11.22 | Squeegeez | Do they already have a modelswap for higher graphics settings? |
| 23:11.40 | Squeegeez | Sometimes they have those actions on birth |
| 23:12.30 | hero_lief | Do you think it's really a graphics settings issue? |
| 23:12.38 | hero_lief | What I have is a no-ability changelig |
| 23:12.40 | hero_lief | changeling, rather |
| 23:12.47 | hero_lief | And I tell it to modelswap to a baneling while it's walking. |
| 23:13.16 | hero_lief | It loads up and plays a single round of the baneling walk animation (in time duration, even though no animation plays, it's in a frozen state) before switching back to the Changeling actor. |
| 23:13.45 | hero_lief | This same scenario works perfectly for drones, zerglings, broodlings, scourge, and roaches. |
| 23:15.05 | Squeegeez | hmm, not sure, try duplicating the actor and trying it with that...? |
| 23:15.56 | hero_lief | why would a duplicate actor work? |
| 23:16.23 | hero_lief | also same issue is reproducible at minimum graphics |
| 23:17.11 | Squeegeez | because then you could fiddle around with different models and see what the exact issue is without disrupting the original. Plus the original might have some some wierd internal properties if it's not working as expected |
| 23:17.31 | Squeegeez | Did you get the unburrowed model? |
| 23:22.05 | hero_lief | I don't know, all I know is that I'm using the default trigger "Actor - Send actor message "ModelSwap Baneling 1" to the main actor of unit (Last created unit)" |
| 23:22.29 | hero_lief | And that this is what happens, whereas other models work. I honestly have never touched actors and don't know how to do almost all of what you just said. |
| 23:22.36 | hero_lief | Though yes, it's the unburrowed model. |
| 23:27.14 | Squeegeez | hero_lief Mine worked: Actor - Send message "ModelSwap Baneling 1" to actor (Actor for Human Builder - Builder [156.63, 127.90]) |
| 23:33.38 | Squeegeez | To access variables inside a record is it supposed to show up in the list, or do I have to type in the custom script something like DeclareWarDialog.ButtonYes == 1 |
| 23:51.37 | Squeegeez | Got the record stuff sorted. Not only do you have to create the record, but you also have to create a variable /with/ that record. Then use the variable to access the Record variables |
| 23:58.19 | A1win | yeah, record just creates a variable type (like I said before ;p) |
