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| 06:13.58 | Lepton | any idea how to make a button on a unit disapear after it was clicked? |
| 06:14.06 | Lepton | such as an upgrade being researched |
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| 06:29.20 | Lepton | MoonEater, I summon you |
| 06:29.46 | MoonEater | I AM SUMMONED! |
| 06:29.50 | MoonEater | >.> |
| 06:29.53 | MoonEater | <.< |
| 06:30.09 | MoonEater | ya |
| 06:30.16 | MoonEater | u can do it 2 ways easily |
| 06:30.18 | MoonEater | via requirements |
| 06:30.21 | MoonEater | or via triggers |
| 06:30.59 | nooblark | sec, i'm an idiot and pmd on wron name |
| 06:31.05 | MoonEater | ? |
| 06:31.13 | MoonEater | Lepton |
| 06:31.30 | Lepton | hey |
| 06:31.45 | MoonEater | if your not using triggers already with the research, i would look at requirements for other upgrades and copy one |
| 06:32.03 | Lepton | but like, will it only turn gray |
| 06:32.10 | Lepton | or will it go away completely |
| 06:32.29 | MoonEater | ah well u can do that also |
| 06:32.38 | MoonEater | via requirements i belive |
| 06:32.42 | MoonEater | let me look |
| 06:34.18 | MoonEater | or validators |
| 06:35.12 | Lepton | ok |
| 06:35.23 | Kueken | Lepton: Requirements can either turn it gray or hide it completely, your choice |
| 06:35.32 | Lepton | i believe requirements only make it grey and unclickable |
| 06:35.44 | Lepton | Kueken, how do you chose between both? |
| 06:36.08 | Kueken | they have 2 fields to add a requirement "formula" |
| 06:36.16 | Kueken | one is called show, the other use |
| 06:36.25 | Kueken | show hides completely, use makes grey |
| 06:37.00 | Kueken | you can also use both, to have one condition to hide it and another condition to show it disabled |
| 06:38.24 | Lepton | looks for show/use |
| 06:38.35 | MoonEater | look |
| 06:38.36 | MoonEater | at |
| 06:38.41 | MoonEater | weapon upgrades |
| 06:38.46 | MoonEater | like infantry upgrade lvl 2 |
| 06:38.57 | MoonEater | it greys out if u dont have an armory |
| 06:39.18 | Kueken | its never hidden though, I believe |
| 06:39.32 | Kueken | just the 2nd button is belof the 1st in the command card |
| 06:39.32 | MoonEater | u want it hidden |
| 06:39.34 | MoonEater | or grey? |
| 06:39.38 | Kueken | *below |
| 06:39.38 | Lepton | hidden |
| 06:39.39 | MoonEater | yes |
| 06:39.42 | MoonEater | ah |
| 06:39.49 | MoonEater | hidden is not |
| 06:39.57 | MoonEater | under show on requirements |
| 06:39.58 | MoonEater | put not |
| 06:40.03 | MoonEater | and the reason below that |
| 06:40.07 | MoonEater | and it will hide it |
| 06:40.09 | MoonEater | i belive |
| 06:46.16 | Lepton | MoonEater, Kueken, it worked! |
| 06:46.22 | Lepton | thanks so much again :) |
| 06:46.24 | MoonEater | SUMMONED! |
| 06:46.28 | MoonEater | good |
| 06:46.29 | MoonEater | :P |
| 07:05.30 | Lepton | guys |
| 07:05.40 | Lepton | noob leaderboard question |
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| 07:12.21 | Lepton | nvm found it :P |
| 07:54.02 | MoonEater | good night |
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| 15:10.38 | twpde | :D |
| 15:11.37 | Zolden | :D |
| 15:11.48 | Fate | is map night back?^^ |
| 15:12.52 | Zolden | are night elves balck? |
| 15:13.12 | Fate | uhm are they?^^ |
| 15:13.22 | Fate | i thinke there more of purple |
| 15:14.15 | Zolden | that's why they extincted |
| 15:15.08 | Fate | i think the problem with map night was, that there were no interessting maps |
| 15:17.09 | Zolden | my map was interesting ;/ |
| 15:20.00 | Fate | i mean most maps :) |
| 15:22.39 | Zolden | no, i understand |
| 15:22.42 | Zolden | my maps suck |
| 15:22.43 | Zolden | i suck |
| 15:22.51 | Zolden | i must quit mapping ;/ |
| 15:23.27 | Fate | NOOOOOO ZOLDEN DONT!!!! |
| 15:23.33 | Fate | okey do what you have tp |
| 15:31.04 | Dustin|Work | Zolden, stop being a noob |
| 15:47.02 | Zolden | it's impossible, i'm too noob to stop being a noob |
| 15:50.07 | Zolden | why is there "dick" male name in US, but no "pussy" female name? |
| 15:52.30 | Dustin|Work | Cause Dick is short for Richard and Pussy is straight up vagina |
| 15:53.58 | Zolden | so, no one even make jokes about Dick name? like "hey, penis! oh, sorry, DIck" |
| 15:57.49 | Dustin|Work | Im sure they do, but Dick is overlooked because of the strong Naming relevance |
| 15:58.06 | Dustin|Work | I've never met a lady named Pussy |
| 15:58.09 | Dustin|Work | hehe |
| 16:00.49 | Zolden | and who made Dick short for Richard? why not just Richy? why not make Pussy short for Penelopa? |
| 16:03.55 | Kueken1 | Zolden: I am here now, but only for a couple of minutes |
| 16:03.59 | Zolden | and who calls their sons Richard if they know it also means Dick? or it's ok to associate name with penis? |
| 16:04.11 | Zolden | Kueken i have solved the issue yet |
| 16:04.56 | Zolden | also, "assassin" why so much asses? |
| 16:06.09 | Zolden | what troll created english? |
| 16:09.53 | Dustin|Work | Zolden, English is the most trolltastic language ever |
| 16:09.59 | Dustin|Work | We have so many exceptions for random crap |
| 16:12.39 | Zolden | and it's going to become international |
| 16:12.47 | Zolden | thanks to who? |
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| 17:19.06 | twodie | so no map testing night seems like :( |
| 17:20.16 | Dustin|Work | Just stay up late and us 'mericans can help |
| 17:20.50 | Fate | do we meet in NA or EU |
| 17:20.53 | Fate | ? |
| 17:21.03 | Zolden | that's what americans said to england and russia when they were fighting hitler |
| 17:21.23 | Dustin|Work | Hey, we stormed that beach! |
| 17:21.51 | Zolden | yea, when hitler was pushed back everywhere |
| 17:22.25 | Dustin|Work | Not our fault you guys are on the other side of the world :P |
| 17:22.36 | Dustin|Work | Took awhile to get over there! |
| 17:23.15 | Zolden | no one blames you, it was fun to fight hitler without you noobs, you were just sacred |
| 17:23.59 | Zolden | right, twodie? we kicked hiw moustache ass! |
| 17:25.22 | Dustin|Work | HItlers just lucky he killed himself before I was born. |
| 17:26.18 | Fate | woho Dustin the hero off the world |
| 17:27.33 | Zolden | I think it wasn't a suicide. I heard mikey mouses killed him |
| 17:28.15 | Dustin|Work | It was Mouse team 6 |
| 17:31.21 | Zolden | mickey mouses with minnie guns |
| 17:31.52 | twodie | so anyone go for Arcade stuff? |
| 17:32.33 | Fate | me |
| 17:32.34 | Zolden | i'd like to, but i'm creating actors to visualize buffs |
| 17:33.21 | twodie | hey russians on the loose http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfKNNqV1YQ4 |
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| 17:36.34 | Zolden | yea, bears>humans, they rock |
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| 17:38.27 | Zandose | yellow |
| 17:41.40 | twodie | green |
| 17:41.51 | twodie | join EU mapTestEvening |
| 17:43.58 | Zolden | hmm, which wol effect could be used as a range buff sign? |
| 17:46.11 | Fate | what unit buffs itß |
| 17:47.09 | Zolden | a mage |
| 17:47.45 | Fate | i made a "burning maddness" skill is looks like purple flammes |
| 17:48.21 | Zolden | lol |
| 17:48.33 | Zolden | range buff isn't madness |
| 17:48.38 | Zolden | it's concentrateness |
| 17:49.02 | Fate | nor maybee u can add some red glow at the weapons |
| 17:49.28 | Zolden | yea, attaching to weapon was my idea |
| 17:49.55 | Zolden | but since there is no good effects, i'll just create an arrow and atach overhead |
| 17:52.30 | twodie | http://www.twitch.tv/day9tv |
| 17:53.06 | Zolden | what's there, today? |
| 17:53.43 | twodie | the last of us, sadly you missed the intro to the game. |
| 17:53.45 | twodie | quite nice. |
| 17:55.39 | twodie | Fucking someone will cum to the EU server sc2? |
| 17:59.15 | Zolden | sexy giggling half naked japanese colledge girls will |
| 18:01.57 | twodie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXTJ8bjSCI |
| 18:03.43 | Fate | zolden ur z map is open^^ |
| 18:04.00 | Fate | if ur fast u can get the last slot |
| 18:05.09 | Fate | slaps Zolden with a big red brick |
| 18:05.21 | Zolden | i can't |
| 18:05.29 | Fate | pff |
| 18:05.35 | Zolden | too many programs runned to join anything fast |
| 18:05.50 | Zolden | i only have 2gb of memory |
| 18:06.11 | Fate | to laste anyway |
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| 18:22.46 | Fate | Zolden the neutrals in ur z map suck |
| 18:28.51 | twodie | map sucks |
| 18:29.02 | Fate | XD |
| 18:29.04 | Zolden | noooo, i suck, i quit mapping |
| 18:29.33 | Tomura | yeah, Zolden. Quit mapping and make models for me! |
| 18:29.44 | Fate | but realy we played 21 minutes and spended most time on killing the heutrals |
| 18:29.47 | twodie | yeah do so! |
| 18:29.56 | Fate | and we did not take over the middle |
| 18:30.02 | twodie | yeah slow pace game |
| 18:30.51 | Zolden | we call it "strategic" |
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| 18:31.21 | Fate | z should not be a slow game if you ask me |
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| 18:31.37 | Fate | it should be fast and dynamic |
| 18:32.05 | Zolden | Fate i agree, but it was my first map, i wasn't good at predicting dynamics |
| 18:32.07 | twodie | not much of strategy there. mostly A move |
| 18:32.14 | Zolden | but it's realy fast and tense if pros play |
| 18:32.34 | Zolden | it was popular a week or so, and we had some realy dynamic games |
| 18:33.00 | Zolden | today, map control strategy, planning strikes, upgrades |
| 18:33.01 | Fate | hm i cant really imagine that |
| 18:33.19 | Zolden | without guards it's too random |
| 18:33.34 | Zolden | just alot of troops moving around, capturing stuff |
| 18:33.58 | Zolden | Tomura i suck at modelling, ask twodie |
| 18:34.17 | Fate | just make the guards a lot weaker |
| 18:34.28 | twodie | yeah I make one model in a month |
| 18:34.38 | Tomura | but you got better |
| 18:34.57 | Zolden | they are weak, you kill first by capturing turrets, and couple of others by bunkering grunts, and then you have armies |
| 18:35.13 | Tomura | you texture work needs some practice though |
| 18:35.52 | Zandose | Hey. I have 9 images on Imgur I want to show as a album on the sc2mapster fourm but dont know the code to get it to work. can someone help me? |
| 18:37.59 | JademusSreg | Kapow. |
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| 18:41.10 | JademusSreg | Does this work? http://imgur.com/a/zSz9q |
| 18:43.08 | Dustin|Work | The link does |
| 18:43.12 | Dustin|Work | I can't tell what the image is though |
| 18:47.32 | Zolden | it's a deserted space station |
| 18:48.31 | JademusSreg | It's some of the work I did on Bounty's The Cave. |
| 18:48.48 | JademusSreg | Thick darkness, coupled with headlamps. |
| 18:49.57 | JademusSreg | The unit's actor wearing the headlamp is hidden, as is the other bits of the headlamp, so only the spot light is visible. |
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| 18:53.02 | egod | I HAVE A QUESTION |
| 18:53.31 | Dustin|Work | I HAVE A PENIS |
| 18:53.39 | Dustin|Work | Sorry, I thought we were just shouting things we had. |
| 18:53.48 | egod | Is the any abilities that Recharge energy like the one from the medic unit called: Heal ? |
| 18:54.02 | egod | i want him to recharge Energy as well |
| 18:56.09 | Dustin|Work | I don't know about that ability specifically, because fuck the Healer that blizzard made |
| 18:56.26 | Dustin|Work | Just use an Energy Regen Behavior |
| 18:56.49 | JademusSreg | Oh. |
| 18:56.55 | egod | i dont know how to add behavior to the heal abilities |
| 18:56.57 | Zolden | healer is fine |
| 18:57.05 | JademusSreg | There's also a mostly unused ability type called Beacon, iirc. |
| 18:57.14 | JademusSreg | Or some such. |
| 18:57.33 | Dustin|Work | Egod wut... |
| 18:57.54 | egod | yeah DATA is like unexplored planet for me |
| 18:57.56 | JademusSreg | It basically has fields for vitals and costs, so it would function very much like a shield battery or moon well in practice. |
| 18:58.34 | Dustin|Work | Ahh |
| 18:58.36 | JademusSreg | Not sure if applicable to your situation, though. |
| 18:58.39 | egod | oh i founbd something |
| 18:58.46 | egod | RESTORE SHIELDS |
| 18:58.50 | egod | will try that |
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| 19:08.07 | egod | it work!!! actuelly...what i did is i copy the Heal abilities and change the life syphon for energy . Im so pro |
| 19:12.41 | Kueken | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.23 | twodie | http://youtu.be/qHHDlCsUl6Q |
| 19:23.21 | Zolden | lol |
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| 19:34.31 | Zolden | looks like i'm late for mapnight |
| 19:38.12 | Fate | yeah we lost motivation |
| 19:39.47 | Zandose | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/requests/54056-request-terrain-model-capper/ |
| 19:41.41 | Zolden | Zandose u know what |
| 19:42.00 | Zandose | bring it on? |
| 19:42.24 | Zolden | I want you to read my terrain deformers thread on bnet forum and add anything if you have something to add |
| 19:43.28 | Zandose | searching.... |
| 19:43.35 | Zolden | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7923034097#1 |
| 19:43.36 | Zolden | this |
| 19:44.50 | Zandose | ty |
| 19:47.14 | Repo | New map: Wipe Out! - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/wipe-out/ |
| 19:47.14 | Repo | New asset: Custom Fire Icon Pack - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/custom-fire-icon-pack/ |
| 19:47.17 | Zandose | Done reading. I'm already aware of these things. |
| 19:47.20 | Repo | New map: Sheep Tag Revival - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/sheep-tag-revival/ |
| 19:47.20 | Repo | New map: Swarm Rpg or Ravenger Rpg...Need Help on Hero Selection Colorizer - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/swarm-rpg-or-ravenger-rpg-need-h/ |
| 19:47.22 | Repo | New map: CastleUlrezaj - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/castleulrezaj/ |
| 19:47.43 | Zolden | ok, if you have any points to add - do it |
| 19:48.05 | Zandose | im sticking with a simple terrain deformation of 3x3 cells, so theirs no over-lapping of deformers. |
| 19:48.15 | Zolden | why do you need those? |
| 19:48.20 | Zolden | what map are you working on? |
| 19:48.57 | Zandose | just random terrain and because the terrain doesnt show at certain angles after being deformed i need a model of terrain to overlap it with |
| 19:49.40 | Zolden | it would probably need a physics body to be walkable |
| 19:50.01 | Zolden | twodie do you know if units' height changes when they are raised by a physic object? |
| 19:50.24 | Zandose | units already move over terrain deformations correctly |
| 19:50.26 | twodie | no clue |
| 19:50.36 | Zolden | Zandose i mean models |
| 19:51.02 | Zolden | terrain textured model may require physics to imitate walkable terrain |
| 19:51.23 | Zolden | also, it won't look as exactly as the terrain |
| 19:51.29 | Zandose | 1) apply terrain deformation 2) overlap with terrain model 3) unit can walk on it |
| 19:51.56 | Zolden | alright |
| 19:52.09 | Zandose | the unit walks on the deformations but the player sees the model |
| 19:52.54 | Zandose | questions: does the game have something like splats from warcraft 3 and are their part of the terrain or a model over the terrain. |
| 19:53.02 | Zandose | they* |
| 19:53.33 | Zolden | yes, there are splats |
| 19:53.44 | Zolden | and they are projected to terrain and to modes with terrain texture |
| 19:54.37 | Zandose | i see. so its not a model and would also have the same problem of not showing from certain camara angles because its terrain still |
| 19:56.15 | Zandose | i dont suppose you know how to make models by any chance? :) |
| 19:56.18 | Zolden | and what map will this be? |
| 19:56.37 | Zolden | i'm making a model 4 u atm |
| 19:56.51 | Zandose | oh =) |
| 19:57.11 | Dustin|Work | Zolden, model? Never! |
| 19:57.31 | Zandose | ^ QUITE! dont listen to him Zolden! |
| 19:57.56 | Zandose | no idea what map. im guessing a rpg but I generally just make things I want to see. |
| 19:58.17 | Zandose | I have a few projects I started but never finished for various reasons |
| 19:58.45 | Zandose | I like to takes out-landish ideas and make them |
| 19:58.45 | Zolden | guess you only care about the triangles, and all scale changes you can do then |
| 19:59.02 | Zandose | i can handle scaling in-game i believe |
| 20:03.43 | Zandose | I've created systems for but hit bugs which i cannot overcome... a space map w/ with unlimted size (models change scale and position)... a city type map which you can move around in with unlimted size... random map generator for trees, rock, etc. |
| 20:05.00 | Zandose | a method for saving saving model data to be loaded where and whenever you want. Make a structure/building out of models, save, load, etc. |
| 20:07.40 | Zandose | anything that pipes my interest |
| 20:07.47 | Zolden | guess, this is the best I can do: http://snag.gy/2MYxz.jpg |
| 20:07.57 | Zolden | models and terrains use different shaders |
| 20:09.01 | Zandose | looks nice |
| 20:09.10 | Zandose | now to see if the idea works |
| 20:09.29 | Zolden | ok, sec |
| 20:11.08 | Zandose | take your time. im doing some testing to see if I can cut the deformation actors used by 1/4 |
| 20:11.24 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/40/232/terrain_hill.m3 |
| 20:11.39 | Zolden | it's 3x3, height is 0.5 |
| 20:12.32 | Zandose | k. why 0.5 height may i ask? |
| 20:13.06 | Zolden | there were some different heights on images, didn't know what you need |
| 20:13.19 | Zolden | just scale via Z |
| 20:13.42 | Zandose | yep |
| 20:13.58 | Zandose | .... goes to study how to import models |
| 20:14.38 | Zolden | F9 |
| 20:15.16 | Zolden | crap, i just saw huge fireworks' reflection in buildings, saw multiple echoes, but saw no actual fireworks ;/ |
| 20:17.48 | Zandose | is that bad? |
| 20:18.51 | Zolden | i wanted to see it |
| 20:21.22 | Zandose | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06xVGy56u6U start at 40 seconds in |
| 20:25.25 | Zolden | oh yea |
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| 20:35.24 | Zandose | I have to go in a sec. still working on getting the alignment to work correctly |
| 20:41.10 | twodie | http://i.imgur.com/le08qFR.jpg |
| 20:42.32 | Zolden | twodie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYUuTlqTmjM |
| 20:43.21 | Zandose | ill come on again later when I've gotton it to work and show you. |
| 20:45.01 | Zolden | ok |
| 20:45.36 | Zolden | twodie don't watch that, they ruined the music by adding bullshit above |
| 20:45.49 | Zolden | i only wanted to give you listen the song |
| 20:45.52 | Zolden | not the bullshit |
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| 21:16.21 | egod | my Toshiba laptop suck...end of dicussion |
| 21:19.44 | Deaod | anyone here who knows their way around c++? i need to vent so i dont go insane from the crap my boss spouts. |
| 21:20.11 | JademusSreg | By all means, vent. |
| 21:20.23 | Dustin|Work | I know C#, so I'll prob laugh |
| 21:20.31 | Deaod | you know if-else constructs, right? |
| 21:20.33 | Deaod | basic thing |
| 21:20.38 | Dustin|Work | Yes |
| 21:20.41 | Deaod | IM NOT ALLOWED TO USE IT |
| 21:20.41 | JademusSreg | And when I return, I'll read the expelled material. |
| 21:20.45 | Dustin|Work | Whaa |
| 21:20.57 | egod | Anyone is up for testing my map ? just pst http://thecurseoftristram.com/ |
| 21:20.58 | Deaod | BECAUSE A CPU ONLY KNOWS ABOUT IF AND GOTO |
| 21:21.21 | Dustin|Work | Is your boss fucking retardeD? |
| 21:21.32 | Deaod | no, just really |
| 21:21.34 | Deaod | old |
| 21:21.38 | Dustin|Work | Jesus christ |
| 21:22.04 | Dustin|Work | IF ($OldMan == $OLD) GOTO 1 |
| 21:22.11 | Deaod | he also complained about a memset |
| 21:22.31 | Zolden | goto? no functions? |
| 21:22.37 | Deaod | HELL NO |
| 21:22.45 | Dustin|Work | If I were you I'd go buy a C++ Programming book and then drop it off at his desk before you go home for the weekend with a sticky note, that says "Read a fucking book" |
| 21:22.52 | Deaod | ONE FUCKING FUNCTION WITH 20 GOTOS |
| 21:23.07 | Deaod | actually, 20 doesnt cut it |
| 21:23.09 | Deaod | 200 |
| 21:23.19 | Dustin|Work | That's one of the worst things I've ever heard |
| 21:23.22 | Deaod | the function also is 1300 lines long |
| 21:23.26 | Dustin|Work | And I'm sorry you're in that position :( |
| 21:23.44 | Dustin|Work | At that point I'd just quit lol |
| 21:24.09 | Deaod | i cant, im a trainee |
| 21:24.15 | Deaod | and im bound by contract |
| 21:24.46 | Deaod | also, id really like to finish this so i get the paper confirming i know what i know |
| 21:25.22 | JademusSreg | I don't even know where to begin. How does a person even think such a thing? |
| 21:25.45 | Deaod | i added two memsets to his code, one for initialization (because it turns out stuff doesnt work when you leave memory uninitialized) |
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| 21:26.01 | Deaod | the other is there to prevent ghost entries in a hashtable from causing havoc later on |
| 21:26.36 | Deaod | and no, entries arent written linearly to a hashtable so a simple range check doesnt prevent this |
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| 21:27.16 | Dustin|Work | Deaod, that sounds like hell |
| 21:27.19 | Dustin|Work | Coders fucking hell |
| 21:27.38 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 21:27.44 | JademusSreg | GOTO: Hell |
| 21:28.11 | Dustin|Work | That's like, I can see after I die, Satan is going to be like, You now how ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD TO CODE, but you have to use Javascript exclusively |
| 21:29.21 | Deaod | hes caring about memsets because those take maybe 64 microseconds each (nulling 128KiB) |
| 21:29.59 | JademusSreg | Besides some metalanguages for templates and shit, I can't recall a language that doesn't support if-else constructs, much less how that could possibly concern the goddamn compiled code the CPU would be dealing with in any case. |
| 21:30.07 | Deaod | the algorithm operates on the order of milliseconds |
| 21:31.49 | JademusSreg | It's not like you're coding for a specific architecture's ASM, so how in the nine hells could it possibly matter if an if-else construct is employed? |
| 21:32.08 | Deaod | someone at the company tested the manual if-goto constructs against if-else constructs |
| 21:32.39 | Deaod | turns out, two snippets that do the same using different flow-control are optimized into one |
| 21:32.50 | Deaod | because THOSE ARE CLEARLY THE SAME |
| 21:33.06 | Deaod | even without optimization, they were identical in ASM |
| 21:33.28 | Deaod | also, optimizers are awesome |
| 21:33.38 | JademusSreg | HAhaha, how this could even be an issue for someone is mind-boggling. |
| 21:36.55 | Deaod | http://imgur.com/AHz3cZK - this is a good example of how the code-base looks |
| 21:37.38 | JademusSreg | The only explanation is a mental deficiency on the part of the boss, because only brain damage could account for demanding an outdated approach be employed over a more readable construct which performs equally. |
| 21:38.00 | JademusSreg | Holy shit, wow. |
| 21:38.19 | Deaod | and i was supposed to find errors in this shit |
| 21:38.25 | Deaod | that i found any at all was surprising |
| 21:38.36 | JademusSreg | Worst code I've seen in months. |
| 21:40.13 | JademusSreg | Dunno why people choose to write unreadable code with contemporary IDEs. |
| 21:40.19 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 21:40.24 | Deaod | oh, that was written in KEdit |
| 21:40.28 | Deaod | mostly, anyway |
| 21:40.46 | Deaod | i just took a screenshot of it in VS2012 |
| 21:42.00 | Deaod | i also edited that code in VS2012 because you need some serious help if you want to find anything within it |
| 21:43.54 | Deaod | AB$v#g2L |
| 21:43.59 | Deaod | oh FUCK |
| 21:44.06 | Deaod | can i delete that? |
| 21:44.36 | Deaod | welp, time to change passwords on b.net |
| 21:47.19 | egod | nice password |
| 21:47.29 | Deaod | doesnt help if others know it |
| 21:49.21 | Deaod | battle.net is crazy about passwords |
| 21:49.34 | Deaod | MUST HAVE one numeric character |
| 21:49.44 | Deaod | nevermind that i have a special character in there |
| 22:01.29 | egod | is there a way to see what was not correctly loaded from a BANK FILE ? |
| 22:03.06 | JademusSreg | More annoyed by the length limit, personally. |
| 22:03.20 | Deaod | is there an upper limit on the length? |
| 22:03.32 | Deaod | or that you need at least 8 characters? |
| 22:03.54 | JademusSreg | The upper limit. |
| 22:04.01 | Deaod | ah, what is it? |
| 22:04.08 | JademusSreg | 16. |
| 22:04.11 | Deaod | ugh |
| 22:04.15 | Deaod | worse than paypal |
| 22:04.30 | Deaod | (19) |
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| 22:07.09 | JademusSreg | I prefer to generate at least 64-char passwords, though anything higher than 8 makes it not practical to crack the hash with brute force. |
| 22:07.31 | Deaod | well |
| 22:07.47 | Deaod | depends on the algorithm used to hash passwords |
| 22:08.00 | JademusSreg | Fair point. |
| 22:08.09 | Deaod | if everyone used stuff like bcrypt or scrypt ... |
| 22:08.18 | Deaod | we wouldnt have as much of a problem |
| 22:08.32 | JademusSreg | I look forward to your boss mandating the use of MD5. |
| 22:09.06 | Deaod | oh, i have something for you: we encrypt possibly sensitive data (internal IP addresses) using a custom base64 table |
| 22:09.11 | Deaod | at least, thats the current plan |
| 22:09.49 | JademusSreg | Sounds like a shitty cipher I would have imagined as a 10-year-old child. |
| 22:10.10 | JademusSreg | Care to clarify? |
| 22:10.26 | JademusSreg | Or is my initial impression accurate? |
| 22:10.38 | Deaod | i think its pretty much accurate |
| 22:11.12 | Deaod | i think were going to rely on our base64 table being unknown for security |
| 22:11.19 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
| 22:13.32 | Deaod | well, its only the internal IP addresses of potential business customers being sent to our servers |
| 22:16.01 | JademusSreg | Only takes one informed blackhat to exploit a vulnerability. |
| 22:16.28 | Deaod | the good thing is people inside the company know its not a good idea and are trying to fight it |
| 22:16.54 | Deaod | but its not their call to make in the end |
| 22:17.13 | JademusSreg | Good. I'd be more concerned by individuals not fighting it, as they'd be in a good position to leverage the information. |
| 22:18.19 | Deaod | im sure there are plenty of bugs in our software |
| 22:18.55 | Deaod | because we insist on reinventing the wheel and implementing our own version of SSL |
| 22:19.00 | Deaod | and RSA |
| 22:19.29 | JademusSreg | That's several flavors of humor. |
| 22:19.32 | Deaod | and every possible crypto algorithm you could think of |
| 22:19.53 | Deaod | also, we have our own userspace memory allocator |
| 22:20.26 | Deaod | boost and std are frowned upon of course |
| 22:20.41 | JademusSreg | Sounds like people divorced from reality are directing development. |
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| 22:21.10 | Deaod | its just that one guy basically |
| 22:21.21 | JademusSreg | Even more distressing. |
| 22:22.06 | Deaod | it gives me hope that we actually do have cryptographers working on this stuff |
| 22:22.29 | Deaod | oh, were also currently trying to implement our own UNICODE |
| 22:22.34 | Deaod | Unicode |
| 22:22.45 | JademusSreg | Ignorance is not an effective defense. What people don't know will be discovered, either by human ingenuity or automated processes, given interest of the former or time of the latter. |
| 22:23.08 | JademusSreg | NIH Syndrome if ever there was a case. |
| 22:23.24 | Deaod | i mean our own libs implementing Unicode |
| 22:23.31 | Deaod | still NIH |
| 22:23.43 | Deaod | but at least were trying to follow standards ... |
| 22:24.59 | JademusSreg | I can understand not using std if one can make actual improvements in functionality or readability, as the Doom3 devs did, but if one can't make said improvements there's no good reason not to use the standard library. |
| 22:25.49 | Deaod | hell, were still compiling stuff with VS2005 because at some point a newer version of VS had a bug in the compiler |
| 22:27.10 | Deaod | my problem is that i think im too much of an idealist to not care |
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| 22:28.37 | Deaod | acutally, no. thats not idealism. thats not sucking at your job. |
| 22:30.59 | JademusSreg | One could argue C++ compilers are not so much buggy as they are different interpretations of the language to resolve its ambiguity. Haha |
| 22:33.21 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I imagine that once it ships or you've otherwise put in enough time there, you'll have opportunity to escape and work somewhere less dreadful. |
| 22:33.24 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 22:52.43 | egod | "si vous ne voulez pas que le marché de l'occasion affecte vos profits, faites des jeux que les joueurs veulent garder".lol that guys form Nintendo is sooo right |
| 22:53.53 | egod | it means: If you dont want used game losing you money, then, make game the customer want to keep! |
| 22:54.28 | egod | if you dont want lose profit from used game |
| 22:54.31 | egod | whatever |
| 22:54.33 | egod | XD |
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