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| 03:31.48 | Draktok | Hey, is there anyone I could bug with editor questions that I can't seem to figure out? It will probably take 10 minutes of your time. |
| 03:32.31 | Draktok | This is after searching through some tutorials, however many are unhelpful since the hots changed placement / removed / renamed some things - in addition to many other things since most of the tutorials are 2010 / 2011 |
| 03:32.53 | Draktok | I shouldn't say unhelpful, but rather I'm just too retarded to figure it out with one button displaced. |
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| 03:48.40 | Kueken | Draktok: Just throw your questions in the channel, if someone knows the answer he will probably tell you :D |
| 03:49.08 | Draktok | I'm slowly figuring it out but I think my current hurdle is adding a building animation to a custom unit |
| 03:49.36 | Draktok | I imported some WoW models, have the button and ability made, but when he builds it in game the building is just kinda there the whole time... is there a way to add a building animation to it? |
| 03:49.51 | Draktok | Obviously it may be out of place animation, but still |
| 03:50.04 | Kueken | so you have a WoW building model? |
| 03:50.19 | Kueken | does it have any animations resembling a building phase? |
| 03:50.41 | Draktok | Nope |
| 03:50.43 | Kueken | when you look at it in the cutscene editor |
| 03:50.51 | Draktok | oh |
| 03:50.57 | Draktok | let me triple check (doubt it though) |
| 03:51.00 | Kueken | you can cycle all available animations |
| 03:56.52 | Draktok | no there's no animation there |
| 03:56.58 | Draktok | it's just the building |
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| 03:58.13 | Kueken | what animations does it have? |
| 03:58.16 | Kueken | just a stand? |
| 03:58.30 | Kueken | you can cycle them by pressing + on the numblock |
| 03:58.54 | Draktok | Yeah just a stand, and okay i'll play a bit |
| 04:00.27 | Kueken | alright |
| 04:00.42 | Draktok | Huh, neat - but now i ran into another issue. SCV starts building, he places it and it just stops at 1 / 100 health - like he starts and doesn't finish. just drops the model |
| 04:01.14 | Kueken | so we need to simulate the building model |
| 04:01.42 | Kueken | you could go for the default terran construction attachment, but that wouldn't fit well with WoW-themed buildings |
| 04:01.52 | Draktok | no not really |
| 04:02.00 | Draktok | but -a- animation would be good, at least |
| 04:02.09 | Kueken | best would be a custom model, of course |
| 04:02.17 | Draktok | I didn't really see any animations to download (specifically looked for wc3 building animations) |
| 04:02.32 | Draktok | so i don't know if most people don't bother or just don't publish what they make |
| 04:02.52 | Kueken | well, you could use the terran stuff for now and replace it when you get your hands on something more fitting |
| 04:03.22 | Kueken | or simulate something somehow |
| 04:03.30 | Kueken | like make it grow over time |
| 04:03.43 | Kueken | would probably not look all that great as well :D |
| 04:04.13 | Kueken | anyway, your other issue just popped up all of a sudden, it worked before? |
| 04:04.34 | Draktok | seemed to - the scv would just spin around it like a normal building the problem being there was no animation |
| 04:04.46 | Draktok | don't believe i changed anything, i'll keep looking |
| 04:05.12 | Draktok | final and seperate issue - how do you attach a wireframe to a building? I have one in .dds, but I don't know where that goes to show what you're placing in game |
| 04:05.34 | Kueken | the wireframe is added to the unit's actor |
| 04:05.40 | Kueken | it has a field for that |
| 04:08.08 | Kueken | mmh |
| 04:08.18 | Kueken | I think, I overdid it with the garlic :D |
| 04:08.57 | Draktok | i love garlic |
| 04:09.04 | Draktok | you can't over do garlic (usually) |
| 04:09.17 | Kueken | :p |
| 04:09.34 | Kueken | depends on the proximity of nearby people |
| 04:11.08 | Draktok | whats a good death sound for |
| 04:11.15 | Draktok | a warcraft structure exploding |
| 04:11.19 | Draktok | (dying) |
| 04:11.32 | Kueken | uhm... |
| 04:11.46 | Kueken | you could try the burrow-related sounds |
| 04:12.39 | Draktok | so for the ability to build the |
| 04:12.42 | Draktok | tower i'm trying to build |
| 04:12.51 | Draktok | does ability effects + need to be changed |
| 04:13.00 | Draktok | or can that remain none:none:none |
| 04:13.13 | Kueken | I don't follow |
| 04:13.38 | Draktok | I made an ability |
| 04:13.45 | Draktok | A build ability, to build this structure |
| 04:14.04 | Draktok | I gave it the correct model and icon and it shows up when i place it, ect but |
| 04:14.12 | Draktok | he doesn't build it... he just places it |
| 04:14.26 | Kueken | did you specify a build time? |
| 04:14.26 | Draktok | Does the ability effects being set to do nothing attribute to that? |
| 04:15.02 | Draktok | That's just Info - time right? |
| 04:15.03 | Kueken | the effects for the default build abilities are mostly set to none as well |
| 04:15.04 | Draktok | I set that to 10. |
| 04:15.05 | Kueken | yes |
| 04:16.03 | Kueken | well, not sure exactly, check for differences between your ability and the scv's build |
| 04:16.17 | Kueken | try replacing your custom structure with a barracks |
| 04:16.23 | Kueken | see if that works |
| 04:16.41 | Draktok | ok |
| 04:16.49 | Kueken | also barracks have an ability called Build in Progress |
| 04:16.53 | Kueken | might be important |
| 04:17.01 | Draktok | i have a feeling even the advanced editors do a lot of trial an error |
| 04:17.05 | Draktok | with the data editor |
| 04:17.13 | Kueken | I do nothing else basically :D |
| 04:18.33 | Draktok | so if I want my tower to shoot arrows i have to import something shooting arrows -.- |
| 04:18.43 | Draktok | sheesh blizzard you didn't include crap for other assets huh |
| 04:19.24 | Kueken | could always try to put something together from the assets you have |
| 04:19.44 | Kueken | but well, I assume, there are arrow models around somewhere |
| 04:20.16 | Draktok | I'll just make it shoot carrots |
| 04:26.11 | Draktok | sweet got it working |
| 04:26.27 | Draktok | the only thing left to do is to give it sounds, a weapon, and that's basically it i believe. |
| 04:26.33 | Draktok | oh and change the icon when you select it |
| 04:26.35 | Draktok | do you know how to do that? |
| 04:27.12 | Kueken | also a field in the actor |
| 04:27.43 | Draktok | what is it called d'ya know? |
| 04:27.55 | Draktok | cause i have model portrait |
| 04:28.02 | Draktok | placement and build |
| 04:28.43 | Kueken | UI: Unit Icon or Group Icon |
| 04:28.54 | Kueken | depending on which icon exactly you refer to |
| 04:29.07 | Draktok | beautiful |
| 04:29.18 | Kueken | oh, you mean the portrait? |
| 04:29.24 | Draktok | nope thats what i mean |
| 04:29.26 | Draktok | the unit icon |
| 04:29.33 | Draktok | the portrait i can just do as a peasent or something |
| 04:29.54 | Draktok | let me test quick to make sure that's what i wanted |
| 04:30.41 | Draktok | perfect |
| 04:33.43 | Draktok | how do you go about editing how big it's considered? |
| 04:33.51 | Draktok | Like i can place another tower half way inside of it |
| 04:33.55 | Draktok | and the scv builds half way inside of it |
| 04:34.01 | Draktok | how do you change that value? |
| 04:34.19 | Kueken | for a building? |
| 04:34.23 | Draktok | yeah |
| 04:34.24 | Kueken | change the footprint |
| 04:34.35 | Draktok | under unit? |
| 04:34.39 | Kueken | yes |
| 04:35.46 | Draktok | man there should be a "fit to model" option |
| 04:35.49 | Draktok | cause it's a circle. |
| 04:36.14 | Kueken | you can create a custom footprint |
| 04:36.24 | Draktok | i love you kueken |
| 04:36.26 | Draktok | also how |
| 04:36.29 | Kueken | if you need it to be a circle |
| 04:36.35 | Draktok | found it |
| 04:40.09 | Draktok | so I just need to edit the shape? |
| 04:40.44 | Kueken | you can try, I never made a custom footprint |
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| 04:42.46 | Draktok | Me either :D |
| 04:42.58 | Draktok | I'm trying to edit the shape by using a model as the ... placement tool |
| 04:43.01 | Draktok | isn't liking it so well |
| 04:43.29 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 04:43.40 | Kueken | you can just paint your shape, no? |
| 04:43.55 | Kueken | and adjust the scale of your actor to match it somewhat |
| 04:44.11 | Draktok | I can - but i can't get a -perfect- circle that way |
| 04:44.15 | Draktok | this way i could get a lot closer, if it liked it. |
| 04:44.19 | Draktok | but it doesn't :p |
| 04:47.23 | Kueken | you can use no footprint at all, then it would use the Radius of the unit instead |
| 04:47.31 | Kueken | which would be a circle obviously |
| 04:47.36 | Draktok | I have no footprint but it's not using the correct radius |
| 04:47.49 | Draktok | its using like half the diameter, so units can walk through a portion of it |
| 04:47.52 | Draktok | as well as build in a portion of it |
| 04:48.09 | Kueken | then double the radius? |
| 04:48.20 | Draktok | That's what i can't figure out how to do i guess? |
| 04:48.24 | Kueken | :) |
| 04:48.33 | Kueken | unit - collision radius |
| 04:48.36 | Kueken | or something |
| 04:49.32 | Kueken | movement - radius |
| 04:49.35 | Kueken | well |
| 04:50.04 | Draktok | movement seperation radius? |
| 04:53.27 | Draktok | movement seperation radius isn't doing it so well but |
| 04:53.33 | Draktok | this is making more sense as i play with it, so thanks |
| 04:54.20 | Kueken | there are multiple fields with radius |
| 04:54.28 | Kueken | one is simply called radius :) |
| 04:54.45 | Kueken | you also have a search bar at the top |
| 04:54.59 | Kueken | type in radius and you get a couple of fields |
| 04:57.55 | Draktok | dude kick-ass |
| 04:57.59 | Draktok | that works |
| 04:58.09 | Draktok | you only need placement footprint ify ou want blizzards ugly grid squards |
| 04:58.12 | Draktok | squares, even |
| 04:59.33 | Kueken | my bad, I was assuming you needed that |
| 04:59.33 | Draktok | I think this is the biggest hurdle of my map. |
| 04:59.51 | Draktok | no really i'm just trying to get the model to place without my unit clipping through it |
| 04:59.55 | Draktok | if all i need is radius, that's all i need |
| 05:00.01 | Draktok | the radius was defaulted to .5 |
| 05:00.08 | Draktok | w/e horrendous idea that was at blizzard |
| 05:00.45 | Kueken | it works for your usual units the size of a marine |
| 05:01.12 | Kueken | and a usual building is supposed to use a footprint, so it kinda makes sense :) |
| 05:01.18 | Draktok | oh |
| 05:01.24 | Draktok | well look at you with your knowledge of things and stuff |
| 05:01.28 | Draktok | okay cool so i got most of that sorted out |
| 05:01.32 | Draktok | what do i nee to do now.. |
| 05:04.46 | Draktok | so how difficult is it to import a WoW unit model? |
| 05:05.05 | Draktok | Do those work a lot better out of the box since you don't need to assign buttons and abilities to them, like structures/ |
| 05:06.34 | Kueken | its not hard to import a model |
| 05:06.46 | Kueken | not sure what you are asking |
| 05:07.23 | Kueken | units usually have buttons and abilities as well |
| 05:07.54 | Kueken | also, for most intents and purposes, units and structures are the same thing in the editor |
| 05:08.11 | Draktok | well i mean i'm doing a new builder and redoing the menu for building the structures |
| 05:08.32 | Draktok | for the unit i just want the unit in the game to be built, so maybe there will be an ability and button but |
| 05:08.42 | Draktok | now that the hard part is in place i think it'll be easier |
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| 05:16.15 | Draktok | well i kind of ran into another problem? |
| 05:16.39 | Draktok | It would appear the radius isn't -perfect-; when i'm building in game i can build the things right next to each other perfectly |
| 05:17.17 | Draktok | but going diaganal or below it it's about 1/5th of model radius extending too far so you can't build right on top of it going below or diagnal |
| 05:18.57 | Draktok | Do the models auto-rotate? |
| 05:23.19 | Kueken | depends |
| 05:23.36 | Kueken | you can uncheck the turnable flag and set the angle manually |
| 05:23.52 | Draktok | playing with it more it seems there's just a random side (like a full quarter of the model) that just sticks out farther for placement reasons than the rest |
| 05:24.03 | Draktok | so i can place a tower right next to one, but the other might be a little ways away due to it |
| 05:26.10 | Draktok | http://i.imgur.com/cJPn0Yt.jpg |
| 05:26.17 | Draktok | Here's a picture of exactly what's happening |
| 05:26.26 | Draktok | It's not a huge deal, but one that makes me think i may be doing something wrong. |
| 05:28.12 | Kueken | compare it to the health bars |
| 05:28.30 | Kueken | the model is offset from the actual position of the unit |
| 05:29.04 | Draktok | oh |
| 05:29.07 | Draktok | i just noticed that |
| 05:29.18 | Draktok | weird, how do i make sure it's -attached- correctly then o.O |
| 05:29.32 | Draktok | I did scale the model down, but i don't know how that would effect it since i kept the scale the same all the way down |
| 05:29.37 | Kueken | its probably the model asset itself |
| 05:29.49 | Kueken | in WoW it would probably don't make any difference |
| 05:29.57 | Kueken | *doesn't |
| 05:30.16 | Draktok | so... |
| 05:30.22 | Draktok | just take it as is and quit worrying about it basically? |
| 05:30.32 | Kueken | you can try to adjust that by adding a Local Offset site operation |
| 05:30.48 | Draktok | I don't know what that means, sorry |
| 05:30.57 | Kueken | :) |
| 05:31.28 | Kueken | can you send me a link to the model? I want to check forst |
| 05:31.56 | Kueken | *first |
| 05:32.59 | Draktok | give me a moment to find it |
| 05:33.01 | Draktok | closed the tab |
| 05:34.26 | Draktok | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/more-converted-wmos-wow-building/ |
| 05:34.32 | Draktok | It's this guys buildings I am using |
| 05:34.49 | Draktok | when you hit files i downloaded collection 1.1 |
| 05:38.17 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 05:38.22 | Kueken | its ginormous xD |
| 05:38.28 | Draktok | yeah i know i don't get that either |
| 05:38.31 | Draktok | he gutted the inside and that's it |
| 05:38.36 | Draktok | i have mine scaled to .1 |
| 05:38.38 | Draktok | and it's perfect |
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| 05:39.01 | Draktok | i seriously have no idea why he didn't scale it down before importing knowing that every single person |
| 05:39.07 | Draktok | is going to have to scale it down from there |
| 05:39.18 | Draktok | cause you can not find a use for a 92x92 item in the game |
| 05:39.48 | Kueken | :D |
| 05:40.07 | Kueken | its pretty centered, though, so I guess my assumption was wrong |
| 05:40.42 | Draktok | d'oh |
| 05:40.46 | Draktok | what the heck am i doing wrong then |
| 05:40.58 | Draktok | why is the model when placed like randomly like this |
| 05:41.13 | Draktok | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.17 | Draktok | i don't get it |
| 05:42.04 | Draktok | i don't really care that much i guess, my thing is that i'm developing (slowly but surely, as I learn) an eco game, where space might be an issue |
| 05:42.21 | Draktok | I don't want to gimp a player cause half his buildings rolled the random bad models y'know |
| 05:42.46 | Draktok | if this was just a map to look pretty and a hero arena, i would have given up on it and just left it |
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| 05:44.24 | Kueken | well, I guess stuff like this is why Blizzard uses footprints for structures |
| 05:44.38 | Kueken | this way exact placement hardly gets an issue |
| 05:44.41 | Draktok | damn you properly squared strucktures! |
| 05:47.01 | Kueken | Blizzard's model don't match the footprints exactly as well |
| 05:47.40 | Kueken | just use a square footprint, try to somewhat match the turret, maybe attach some squared ground texture |
| 05:47.45 | Kueken | and you're good |
| 05:48.19 | Draktok | I could just do that I s'pose |
| 05:58.09 | rift | on the GUI, in a condition block, if you have multiple condition statements, are they defaulted to an 'AND' operator or do you need specify an AND 'group'? |
| 05:59.03 | Kueken | default should be and |
| 05:59.15 | Kueken | if you need or, you need to make a block |
| 05:59.29 | rift | thats what i thought, thanks |
| 06:04.46 | Draktok | I guess the 2x2 will work kueken |
| 06:04.49 | Draktok | it isn't too bad looking |
| 06:04.53 | Draktok | the base overlaps but the tops are perfect |
| 06:04.55 | Draktok | so meh |
| 06:05.08 | Draktok | just means i have to be a little stingier when i'm terraining because |
| 06:05.16 | Draktok | i have to make sure they can fit that "perfect square" |
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| 07:22.59 | rift | is there a way to browse through existing image assets outside of the sc2 editor? |
| 07:23.56 | Kueken | you could look them up in the actual MPQ files |
| 07:24.12 | Kueken | but they are scattered all over the SC2 installation files |
| 07:24.21 | rift | ew |
| 07:24.24 | Kueken | the editor provides a nice compiled list |
| 07:29.58 | rift | rather, how do you view the images inside the editor? (should have been the first question lol) |
| 07:30.22 | Kueken | console -> browse |
| 07:30.34 | Kueken | or select any field which expects an image |
| 07:30.38 | Kueken | in data or triggers |
| 07:30.58 | Draktok | Kueken, do you sleep? Just curious |
| 07:31.07 | Kueken | occasionally |
| 07:31.13 | Kueken | not now |
| 07:31.15 | Kueken | I hope |
| 07:33.43 | Draktok | why not now? |
| 07:34.44 | Kueken | should Iß |
| 07:34.47 | Kueken | ? |
| 07:34.59 | Kueken | its 9 am here :D |
| 07:36.02 | Draktok | Oh |
| 07:36.04 | Kueken | also, sleepIRCing could be a serious problem |
| 07:36.06 | Draktok | It's 2:36 am here. |
| 07:36.23 | Draktok | Or a glorious masterpiece of your devotion to helping people who are retarded like me. |
| 07:36.32 | Draktok | Which.... might still be a serious problem, you're right. |
| 07:37.25 | Kueken | damn, you beat yourself up more than I do o_0 |
| 07:37.40 | Draktok | I don't follow |
| 07:38.04 | Kueken | I might have misformulated, english is not my first language |
| 07:38.36 | Draktok | do you mean because i'm up late |
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| 07:38.38 | Draktok | or because i'm retarded |
| 07:39.00 | Kueken | I was referring to your "I am retarded, you are the godmaster of everything" style of comments :D |
| 07:39.14 | Eimtr | hey does any1 know how to make corpses of untis stay forever after they die? just the corpses, I do not need the units to be clickable |
| 07:39.27 | Draktok | well you were helping me off hand when i go through pages of tutorials and can't figure it out |
| 07:39.35 | Draktok | youve got a knack and this isn't my forte |
| 07:39.37 | Eimtr | i did check out some threads but didnt answer me accurately |
| 07:39.55 | Kueken | yeah, I got that :D |
| 07:40.33 | Kueken | Eimtr: thats probably the animation of the death model expiring, you could try using a custom death model actor and make the animation play forever |
| 07:40.57 | Draktok | hey kueken, earlier when i was playing with turning off and on turnable on the model |
| 07:41.02 | Draktok | to try and make the radius ... work |
| 07:41.12 | Draktok | i turned off turnable and checked some other things |
| 07:41.23 | Draktok | turns out if you do that your tower will only shoot in one direction (ie, bad) lol |
| 07:43.50 | Kueken | nah, you can set the arc of the weapon to 360 to fix that |
| 07:44.24 | Draktok | oooo how does that? |
| 07:44.32 | Draktok | i don't really need it now but that might be handy i nthe feature |
| 07:45.29 | Kueken | select your weapon and change the arc to 360? o_0 |
| 07:45.58 | Kueken | sometimes I have the feeling just my presence here discourages people to look for themselves :D |
| 07:46.00 | Kueken | no offense |
| 07:46.26 | Draktok | no it just doesn't click in my head where to look |
| 07:46.39 | Draktok | like i'm staring at the unit model looking for arc or range or degree of attack |
| 07:46.45 | Draktok | when it's under the weapon not the unit |
| 07:46.49 | Kueken | :D |
| 07:47.08 | Draktok | which i never would have guessed cause i'm used to the 5 tabs wc3 editor not the 20 tab puzzle piece sc2 editor |
| 07:47.40 | Kueken | yeah, the complexity is one big reason why WC3's community was so much bigger |
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| 07:47.57 | Kueken | everyone could copy a unit, change its model, give it some spells |
| 07:48.16 | Draktok | i think the puzzle analogy is the best i can come up with |
| 07:48.19 | Kueken | in SC2, this takes hours, days if you don't know how |
| 07:48.27 | Draktok | it works great you just have to fit each puzzle piece together |
| 07:48.45 | Draktok | so it can be time consuming.. |
| 07:49.03 | Draktok | this iRC helps me a lot, i use the sc2 in game chat too sometimes but it's not usually useful |
| 07:49.10 | Draktok | not as many people there know what they are talking about |
| 07:49.25 | Draktok | I think when i get this down to a science i'll be doing quite a few youtube tutorials |
| 07:54.40 | Kueken | good for you :D |
| 07:56.25 | Draktok | Do you listen to music when you map? |
| 07:57.49 | Kueken | yes |
| 07:57.52 | Kueken | usually |
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| 08:24.55 | Draktok | Oh |
| 08:25.01 | Draktok | That was you who commented on my thread kueken |
| 08:25.02 | Draktok | weird |
| 08:25.15 | Kueken | :-* |
| 08:32.11 | Draktok | Well kueken I copy pasted the trigger and edited things correctly this whole time and finally ran into a stump again |
| 08:32.42 | Draktok | Now I can't get the "ability" to build a barracks to show up. Custom model, custom button and unit and actor ect but when i'm on the command card and add barracks to it |
| 08:32.50 | Draktok | Build barracks isn't an ability like build Guard tower is |
| 08:33.54 | Kueken | you have to add a default button to the ability |
| 08:34.13 | Draktok | it does have a default button |
| 08:34.21 | Draktok | I can get that far - where i select the button |
| 08:34.39 | Draktok | but when you set up |
| 08:34.43 | Draktok | command type: ability command |
| 08:34.51 | Draktok | underneath that is the ability |
| 08:34.57 | Draktok | I had that set to build guard tower for the first one |
| 08:35.03 | Draktok | now this one "build barracks" isn't listed |
| 08:35.08 | Draktok | as if i didn't make the ability (but i did) |
| 08:35.09 | Kueken | did you add the ability to the unit? |
| 08:35.19 | Draktok | ooo maybe not |
| 08:37.01 | Zolden | :) |
| 08:37.21 | Kueken | :> |
| 08:38.01 | Kueken | Hey, hows my favourite russian holding up? :D |
| 08:42.15 | Draktok | The ability isn't on the unit, but neither was guard tower... the only ability attached to the barracks is "under construction" |
| 08:42.28 | Draktok | erm, build in progress, rather |
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| 08:43.13 | Kueken | on the builder |
| 08:43.28 | Draktok | oh |
| 08:43.31 | Draktok | is that what it is? |
| 08:43.31 | Draktok | jesus |
| 08:43.32 | Draktok | ok |
| 08:43.49 | Draktok | that was it |
| 08:43.50 | Draktok | sigh |
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| 08:45.00 | XGDragon | answering all questions regarding trigger or UI editor |
| 08:45.09 | Draktok | i wish i was that far |
| 08:45.20 | Zolden | i created a new map in details within my mind, testing it, soon gonna implememnt in editor |
| 08:45.23 | Draktok | i'm stuck in data taking 2 hours to make one custom unit lol. |
| 08:45.51 | Kueken | XGDragon: bold statement :D |
| 08:45.56 | XGDragon | i know a lot of data as well, but not enough to feel comfortable enough to be able to answer all questions |
| 08:46.05 | Draktok | Is there a decent amount of libraries out there as public domain, as far triggers are considered? |
| 08:46.18 | Kueken | not that I know of |
| 08:46.23 | XGDragon | libraries are mostly found on site, made by users |
| 08:46.34 | Draktok | Im working on a eco game, would like a simple way to gain resources - build structure and you get income over time |
| 08:46.36 | XGDragon | i mean, theyre really just triggers that you can easily import as a package |
| 08:46.39 | Draktok | right |
| 08:47.12 | Kueken | closest thing to a generally useable library I found so far was Renee's GAx3 mod |
| 08:47.14 | Draktok | I'd rather spend 90% of time on textures / models and 10% on triggers cause it's easier to work on triggers so |
| 08:47.29 | Draktok | i did use a WASD library that worked beautiful not too long ago |
| 08:47.37 | Draktok | minus the in game lag due to blizzard |
| 08:47.45 | XGDragon | draktok, use the timer elapsed event |
| 08:47.54 | Kueken | yeah, there are a couple of these :D |
| 08:47.55 | Draktok | and just repeat it? |
| 08:48.03 | XGDragon | it repeats itself |
| 08:48.10 | Draktok | even better |
| 08:48.18 | XGDragon | make a condition |
| 08:48.19 | XGDragon | unit is alive |
| 08:48.24 | Draktok | gain X |
| 08:48.26 | XGDragon | or unit group has unit x |
| 08:48.41 | Draktok | how difficult is it to implement new resource types? |
| 08:48.46 | Kueken | afaik there is no reason to use a timer over a wait, unless you need the timer window |
| 08:48.48 | Draktok | Say i wanted Gas, Minerals, and wood |
| 08:49.07 | XGDragon | wood would require data editor |
| 08:49.25 | Draktok | Would like to use timer window to display when income is arriving, kueken |
| 08:49.25 | XGDragon | both handle the problem equally |
| 08:49.41 | XGDragon | use dialogs for everything, disregard leaderboard or timers |
| 08:49.50 | XGDragon | they don't provide enough flexibility |
| 08:50.21 | Kueken | waits are easier to use, though, can easily use local variables, all stays in the same thread etc... |
| 08:50.24 | Kueken | but w/e |
| 08:50.34 | Kueken | probably personal preference |
| 08:50.55 | XGDragon | hard to say, depends |
| 08:50.57 | Draktok | i don't need an income timer to be terribly flexible, though, realistically |
| 08:51.02 | XGDragon | how does the timer react if condition fails? |
| 08:51.10 | XGDragon | reset? increase by one? |
| 08:51.25 | Draktok | reset i'd hope? |
| 08:51.34 | XGDragon | hey, you're making the map, not me |
| 08:51.35 | XGDragon | :P |
| 08:51.55 | Draktok | oh i thought you were |
| 08:51.56 | Draktok | nvm |
| 08:52.02 | Draktok | so if it's just resetting |
| 08:52.06 | Draktok | over and over |
| 08:52.14 | Draktok | would there be a reason to use something more complicated than a timer? |
| 08:52.25 | XGDragon | i dont know man, depends on what you want :) |
| 08:52.37 | Kueken | it was more a question of how you would want it to behave :D |
| 08:52.48 | Draktok | i gathered kueken xD |
| 08:53.06 | XGDragon | yesterday, i made an example map of how you can make a table using custom dialogs |
| 08:53.18 | XGDragon | you might want to check it out to learn more about how to best use dialogs |
| 08:53.22 | XGDragon | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/52025-dialog-or-leaderboard/ |
| 08:56.01 | Draktok | i learned a couple times that sc2 editor doesn't like ctrl - z some things in data editor |
| 08:56.11 | Draktok | just crashed on me like the 3rd time after i fucked something and just undid it |
| 08:56.28 | Kueken | tell me about it |
| 08:57.00 | XGDragon | sometimes i collapses all my folders |
| 08:57.06 | XGDragon | definately annoying |
| 08:57.18 | XGDragon | ..in the trigger editor |
| 08:58.44 | Draktok | if that's anything like trying to navigate some of the model importer after you import like 250 dds files |
| 08:58.47 | Draktok | then ya that sucks |
| 09:01.33 | Kueken | just like working with event macros, which used to crash every 5 minutes -.- |
| 09:01.43 | Kueken | got better with the recent patches, though |
| 09:02.52 | Draktok | whats the difference between |
| 09:03.02 | Draktok | footprints that are |
| 09:03.10 | Draktok | contour |
| 09:03.13 | Draktok | and... well not contour |
| 09:05.51 | XGDragon | my complete guess would be |
| 09:05.56 | XGDragon | with or ..without contour |
| 09:06.37 | Draktok | k new question |
| 09:06.37 | Draktok | http://i.imgur.com/IV2jGmO.png |
| 09:06.44 | Draktok | Why isn't Build Barracks listed |
| 09:06.51 | Draktok | Build Guard tower that i created it, but not build barracks? |
| 09:07.51 | XGDragon | first of all, i prefix all my data with my name |
| 09:08.01 | XGDragon | that way, i just look for XGD to find anything thats mine |
| 09:08.20 | Draktok | yeah but that makes too much sense |
| 09:08.34 | XGDragon | shit. true that |
| 09:08.36 | XGDragon | anyways |
| 09:08.39 | XGDragon | i think your ids are the same |
| 09:08.51 | XGDragon | look for Set ID |
| 09:10.01 | Draktok | prefix's and suffix's |
| 09:10.09 | Draktok | do they mess up how the editor reads data or |
| 09:10.10 | Draktok | no |
| 09:10.31 | XGDragon | no |
| 09:12.09 | Draktok | well anyways |
| 09:12.14 | Draktok | what do you mean by look for set id? |
| 09:12.32 | XGDragon | in abilities |
| 09:12.34 | XGDragon | Field |
| 09:12.36 | XGDragon | Set ID |
| 09:12.41 | Draktok | id is blank |
| 09:12.45 | Draktok | as well is guard towers id |
| 09:12.49 | Draktok | should that id be something |
| 09:12.53 | XGDragon | yes |
| 09:13.01 | Draktok | oh |
| 09:13.05 | Draktok | just w/e i want to name it? |
| 09:13.06 | XGDragon | try that. |
| 09:13.13 | XGDragon | cocksuckle and bitchtits |
| 09:13.14 | XGDragon | works fine |
| 09:13.22 | Draktok | idk i'm gonna go with nope and doublenope |
| 09:13.32 | XGDragon | a true developer at work |
| 09:17.02 | Draktok | that worked, thanks |
| 09:17.09 | Draktok | Also i have to create a custom foot print again, uuuu |
| 09:19.05 | Draktok | btw my best guess on the contour thing, after looking at blizzard models is it's unit pathing that allows units to walk closer to the diaganal of the structure |
| 09:19.12 | Draktok | for example a 2x2 looks like this |
| 09:19.29 | Draktok | l_l (with a line on top. a box, basically) |
| 09:19.55 | Draktok | where as contour looks like this |
| 09:19.58 | Draktok | \/ |
| 09:20.04 | Draktok | er |
| 09:20.08 | Draktok | ./\ |
| 09:20.11 | Draktok | .\/ |
| 09:20.24 | Draktok | useless facts of the day ~ |
| 09:21.11 | XGDragon | so i was right with my guess? |
| 09:21.39 | XGDragon | [11:05] <XGDragon> my complete guess would be [11:05] <XGDragon> with or ..without contour |
| 09:21.45 | Draktok | yes. |
| 09:22.08 | Zolden | omg |
| 09:22.33 | Zolden | Draktok: i see some specularityless models under there on your screen |
| 09:23.15 | Draktok | its a very WIP - however they both show shadows IG |
| 09:23.35 | Draktok | so i don't know why they don't show up in editor |
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| 09:27.13 | Draktok | Zolden: see? http://i.imgur.com/pSLUvoD.jpg |
| 09:29.10 | XGDragon | draktok, that depends on how your editor gfx are set |
| 09:29.12 | XGDragon | sort of |
| 09:29.35 | Draktok | w/e, its like 150fps in game so i don't know why editor settings would be lower |
| 09:29.39 | Zolden | where did you get these models |
| 09:29.40 | Draktok | (but... i also don't care) |
| 09:33.14 | Draktok | zolden : http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/more-converted-wmos-wow-building/ |
| 09:33.44 | Zolden | knew it ;/ |
| 09:34.01 | Draktok | Where else would i get it? xP |
| 09:34.06 | Draktok | Public domain ftw |
| 09:34.11 | Zolden | he releases incomplete models, without normal/specular maps, and they look not cool |
| 09:34.27 | Draktok | There is shadows in game though, what else do you mean by specular? |
| 09:34.58 | raponthemoon | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/wow-human-buildings/ |
| 09:35.22 | Zolden | it doesn'r reflect light |
| 09:35.32 | Zolden | it has no surface details |
| 09:36.01 | Zolden | our brain gets surface details from the patterns of light |
| 09:36.03 | Draktok | http://i.imgur.com/pSLUvoD.jpg that doesn't look fine to you really? |
| 09:36.19 | Draktok | raponthemoon is there any reason i should use those over what i am using? |
| 09:36.25 | Zolden | just place these buildings near sc2 3 buildings and u'll notice the difference |
| 09:37.01 | raponthemoon | Draktok At some point yes, models a bit imporved, textures wise and model itself. |
| 09:37.15 | Zolden | raponthemoon: those are specularless eithor, aren't they |
| 09:37.22 | Draktok | no those are not |
| 09:37.26 | raponthemoon | yes |
| 09:37.26 | Draktok | you commented on that thread zolden |
| 09:37.29 | Draktok | and said they suck |
| 09:37.30 | Draktok | lol |
| 09:38.47 | Zolden | i should have commented the same way in daara's models thread |
| 09:39.12 | raponthemoon | its not too late to do so! |
| 09:39.28 | Draktok | zolden would you like to export some WoW building models and make them pretty for me |
| 09:39.36 | Draktok | cause i don't see any other realstically useable building models |
| 09:39.47 | Zolden | actually i said 10 times to him that he and his models suck, so fuck it |
| 09:39.54 | Draktok | lol |
| 09:40.30 | Zolden | Draktok: I'd like to, but it takes time, and I need time since I recently started a new big project |
| 09:40.39 | Draktok | well when |
| 09:40.41 | Draktok | you or someone does it |
| 09:40.47 | Draktok | i'll replace the bad models with pretty ones |
| 09:40.48 | Draktok | deal? |
| 09:41.32 | Zolden | it,s your map, you care that it look the best - you do, but if you don't care, i don't care either |
| 09:41.54 | Draktok | I care as much as there is public domains models made for me |
| 09:42.01 | Draktok | :D |
| 09:42.09 | Zolden | my map's buildings will be shiny like a golden chapel in a sunny day |
| 09:42.21 | Draktok | screen shot? ;) |
| 09:43.01 | Zolden | use sc2 building as an example, they all have the feature |
| 09:43.47 | Zolden | place barracks or nexus or bunker, check how light is playing on their surfaces when you rotate them |
| 09:44.42 | Draktok | but why would a bunch of awful bricks reflect light anyhow? |
| 09:45.04 | Draktok | i mean they reflect shadows fine, the worst they do is not reflect light well |
| 09:45.47 | Zolden | because reflected light demostrates surface details, and makes the perception easier |
| 09:46.15 | Zolden | shadows is like 10 year old engine |
| 09:46.20 | Zolden | like wow |
| 09:47.02 | Zolden | it was ok, now we have better shit, so players are like "wow, this is badas" instead of "wtf this shit is" |
| 09:47.42 | Draktok | i've decided i don't get footprints |
| 09:47.44 | Draktok | ....at all |
| 09:56.13 | Draktok | so how do you create the selection circle |
| 09:56.15 | Draktok | on a model? |
| 09:57.41 | Zolden | model -> selection radius |
| 09:57.46 | Zolden | if you mean that |
| 09:57.59 | Draktok | yeah that's what i mean |
| 09:58.04 | Draktok | leave offset to 0 ? |
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| 09:58.24 | Zolden | yea |
| 09:58.53 | Zolden | but as a noob you can play with stuff to earn experience |
| 10:05.31 | Draktok | whelp i give up, won't add a selection circle |
| 10:05.41 | Draktok | i got it to add an offplaced one but i can't see the circle otherwise |
| 10:05.42 | Draktok | oh well |
| 10:06.05 | Zolden | sometimes the model itself is fucked so it doesn't show the circle |
| 10:06.27 | Draktok | yeah maybe thats the issue :D |
| 10:07.59 | Zolden | set selection radius to 10 |
| 10:12.04 | Draktok | the max is 7.xx |
| 10:12.07 | Draktok | and i did that sitll couldn't see it |
| 10:13.35 | raponthemoon | Draktok ohh yeah the problem with these original models that they so BIG and you cant really make the selection cyrcle look niec so use |
| 10:13.44 | raponthemoon | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/wow-human-buildings/ |
| 10:13.46 | Draktok | i switched to your rapon |
| 10:13.52 | Draktok | i actually just did that and swapped out the models but |
| 10:13.55 | Draktok | now the guard tower model is like |
| 10:13.58 | Draktok | ant sized |
| 10:14.01 | raponthemoon | these cause the biggest reason why they where made |
| 10:14.01 | Draktok | whats the deal with that, yo |
| 10:14.13 | Draktok | oh wait |
| 10:14.17 | Draktok | i have that scale set to .3 |
| 10:14.19 | Draktok | cause of giant models |
| 10:14.19 | Draktok | nvm |
| 10:16.35 | Zolden | Draktok: i'll ask you since english is your first language. What "the mine is mine!" means? |
| 10:16.57 | Zolden | maybe i'll call my map this way, just need to be sure that it means what i think it means |
| 10:17.12 | Draktok | Do you mean, "whats mine is mine" |
| 10:17.19 | Draktok | Because The mine is mine doesn't make sense grammatically |
| 10:17.33 | Kueken | it does not? |
| 10:17.38 | Draktok | Unless you mean the first mine as in a [coal] mine |
| 10:17.43 | Kueken | the (ore)mine is mine :D |
| 10:17.50 | Draktok | in which case the [type] of mine is mine, yes |
| 10:18.23 | Kueken | call it "mine, all mine", its the title of a song I like :D |
| 10:18.33 | Draktok | If you don't mean to reference a type of mine as kueken and i just said, then the mine is mine doesn't make sense :D |
| 10:19.06 | Zolden | ok, thanks, i meant an ore mine |
| 10:19.41 | Zolden | well, i think it will be obvious for players who have to mine alot in the game |
| 10:19.49 | Draktok | probably yeah. |
| 10:20.15 | Draktok | That the Mine (you're mining) is mine |
| 10:20.18 | Draktok | makes sense |
| 10:20.22 | Kueken | mine your own business. |
| 10:20.35 | Draktok | i don't know what to name my map |
| 10:20.42 | Draktok | it's going to be a eco game akin to civilization sapphire |
| 10:22.35 | Draktok | raponthemoon the selection works on the new models except for barracks |
| 10:22.49 | raponthemoon | mb you ahvent replaced? |
| 10:23.07 | raponthemoon | carefully check stuff that may effect it not properly display it |
| 10:23.10 | Draktok | oh wait |
| 10:23.17 | Draktok | i had the selection layer still set to 0 |
| 10:23.20 | Draktok | from resetting it |
| 10:23.21 | Draktok | it works nvm |
| 10:23.34 | Draktok | you know if i didn't have a solid state to instantly load tests for me i would have given up mapping 12 hours ago |
| 10:24.45 | Draktok | cool well now i have a pretty good understanding of model importing, button and (build) ability creations, submenu creations, and attaching custom actor models to units |
| 10:25.04 | Draktok | so i can (somewhat) quickly make the next 6 or 7 buildings and then move onto the headache that will be units. |
| 10:25.14 | raponthemoon | yeah instant testing is really waste of time.. just chaning one thing and then testing it.. really makes the work slow, most of the time not finishing half of the script, data stuff before testing.. |
| 10:25.28 | Kueken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfG6rwaRiAU |
| 10:25.58 | Kueken | cannot help myself, gotta admire the composition |
| 10:27.27 | Draktok | he did more with a gamemode than i can do with an editor |
| 10:27.28 | Draktok | nice |
| 10:28.06 | Draktok | raponthemoon do you know if there's any WoW custom model assets that have the animations attached too |
| 10:28.38 | raponthemoon | what you mean? |
| 10:29.10 | Draktok | i mean i was playing around earlier with some model importing but i don't know how to animate things... so i was moving just static figures in |
| 10:29.28 | Draktok | unless the WoW models are already animated |
| 10:30.06 | raponthemoon | you can see model animations in cutscene editor |
| 10:30.35 | raponthemoon | in timeline there is line with the what animation for model is currently playing |
| 10:30.52 | raponthemoon | and with right click on the timeline you can view all animations for that model |
| 10:32.20 | Draktok | ooooo |
| 10:32.25 | Draktok | let me find a model to test now.. |
| 10:34.50 | Draktok | man why do you have to close all the way out of the editor to texture a model |
| 10:35.00 | Draktok | that seems like something that should have been fixed / changed a long time ago. |
| 10:36.11 | Draktok | man i might have to play around with getting my own models from WoW and |
| 10:36.12 | Draktok | stuff |
| 10:36.18 | Draktok | theres like a hundred tutorials on that i believe |
| 10:36.28 | Draktok | would be neat to have a few different unique(ish) models to use |
| 10:37.37 | raponthemoon | http://snag.gy/O4z8Z.jpg |
| 10:38.30 | Draktok | http://i.imgur.com/DhkOTip.png |
| 10:38.31 | Draktok | huzzah |
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| 13:28.14 | G0A | guys, can you list me some cool platform games? (made for mobile is preferred) |
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| 15:19.23 | XibaD | hi hi |
| 15:19.44 | Zolden | hey |
| 15:19.49 | Zolden | so, what's the problem? |
| 15:20.08 | XibaD | I don't know what to do!!! |
| 15:20.09 | XibaD | lol |
| 15:20.15 | XibaD | ok, let's try to be more specific here |
| 15:20.19 | Zolden | you wnat to create normal maps? |
| 15:20.38 | XibaD | yes, I had my tangent space normals from one high poly piece of the model |
| 15:20.43 | XibaD | the window piece |
| 15:20.49 | Zolden | does it work? |
| 15:20.53 | XibaD | I modelled the high poly version with the windows and stuff |
| 15:21.20 | XibaD | mmm well when translating to orange it seems to lose some of the details |
| 15:21.28 | XibaD | copied red to alpha |
| 15:21.34 | XibaD | red w white, blue w black |
| 15:21.52 | XibaD | and the window part for example |
| 15:22.03 | XibaD | is a long continuous hole |
| 15:22.12 | XibaD | maybe I'm doing something wrong... |
| 15:22.15 | Zolden | ok, wait a sec |
| 15:22.47 | Zolden | check this http://i.imgur.com/rlPC6.png |
| 15:23.06 | XibaD | ok |
| 15:23.16 | Zolden | you don't need to care about the orangeness of the normal map |
| 15:23.44 | XibaD | what is this pic supposed to mean, I don't get it :( |
| 15:23.48 | Zolden | you just need to have horizontal stuff at A channel and vertical stuff at G channel |
| 15:24.18 | Zolden | this pi is an example to be sure that your channels are proper |
| 15:24.53 | XibaD | ok |
| 15:25.07 | Zolden | so, if an element is pushed outside, it should be white at bottom in G channel and white at right in A channel |
| 15:25.30 | Zolden | if it pushed inside, then opposite |
| 15:25.45 | XibaD | the window parts for example are somehow like that |
| 15:25.51 | XibaD | alpha has the vertical lines |
| 15:26.02 | XibaD | green has the horizontal |
| 15:26.06 | XibaD | stuff |
| 15:26.19 | XibaD | but other elements of my initially baked normal are not like this |
| 15:26.23 | Zolden | and the side of white and black gradients is also right? |
| 15:26.39 | XibaD | how can I send you the normal? would be easier :) |
| 15:26.49 | XibaD | that's why I told you about skypying |
| 15:26.52 | Zolden | ok |
| 15:27.00 | Zolden | there is http://snag.gy/ site |
| 15:27.10 | Zolden | you can simply ctrl+v images there |
| 15:27.27 | Zolden | but in this particular case i need the file |
| 15:27.42 | Zolden | btw, do you have dds plugin? |
| 15:27.46 | XibaD | this is very handy :) |
| 15:27.55 | Zolden | i mean nvidia plugin |
| 15:27.58 | XibaD | yes, for some reason the editor doesn't accept tgas... |
| 15:28.09 | XibaD | but, yes I have it instaleld |
| 15:28.11 | XibaD | installed |
| 15:28.44 | Zolden | and you save your dds'es in the proper format? |
| 15:28.44 | JademusSreg | Ah, the joy of AI testing. |
| 15:28.50 | Zolden | dx5 |
| 15:29.07 | Zolden | JademusSreg: is it default AI or you invented a new system? |
| 15:29.15 | JademusSreg | (I use DXT3.) |
| 15:29.16 | XibaD | http://snag.gy/ekq3W.jpg |
| 15:29.26 | Zolden | or you decomposing AI lib? |
| 15:29.55 | Zolden | XibaD: now the channels |
| 15:30.01 | Zolden | and also gimme the file |
| 15:30.02 | XibaD | I use dxt3 argb 8bpp explicit alpha no mipmaps |
| 15:30.47 | XibaD | how can I send you the file? don't have dropbox |
| 15:31.00 | Zolden | hmm, does dxt3 work? I use dxt5 |
| 15:31.15 | XibaD | I used that for the diffuse |
| 15:31.20 | XibaD | and that does work for that |
| 15:31.21 | Zolden | attach it to the pm you sent to me |
| 15:31.25 | XibaD | ok |
| 15:31.43 | JademusSreg | I studied the AIs a year or so ago, and worked on a system for micro-focused unit AI (getting dps before that native was added was a pain in the ass). I have renewed interest in making a multipurpose AI, so I'm tinkering and testing. |
| 15:32.17 | Zolden | what's dps? |
| 15:32.32 | XibaD | damage per second? |
| 15:32.58 | XibaD | dunno. I'm working on the attachments, but I don't know how to attach files |
| 15:33.01 | XibaD | stupid me |
| 15:33.40 | Zolden | move a mouse cursor over the pm message, there will some buttons appear at top right corner |
| 15:34.21 | XibaD | ok hold on a sce |
| 15:34.22 | XibaD | sec |
| 15:35.15 | XibaD | done |
| 15:35.28 | XibaD | 2 files, 1 the xnormal result the other is with the orange thing |
| 15:35.31 | Zolden | hmm... looks like both, dxt3 and dxt5 work |
| 15:35.50 | XibaD | my uvs are also a little messy I guess, but.... |
| 15:35.54 | XibaD | noobish xibad |
| 15:35.58 | Zolden | why tga? |
| 15:36.01 | Zolden | gimme dds |
| 15:36.12 | XibaD | ok |
| 15:37.11 | Zolden | your orange tga is fucked |
| 15:37.44 | XibaD | lol |
| 15:37.44 | Zolden | this is why i say: fuck orange, think of channels, you need alpha and green with horizontal and vertical shit |
| 15:37.53 | Zolden | forget about orange |
| 15:37.59 | XibaD | ok |
| 15:38.13 | Zolden | if you paste red to alpha, it won't become orange, but it will work |
| 15:38.31 | Zolden | you only need to fill red with any color to save filesize |
| 15:39.11 | XibaD | so you say you only need to fill red with, let's say white in a standard normal? |
| 15:39.23 | XibaD | I realized that some of the nm are not orange |
| 15:39.28 | XibaD | techlab is greenish for example |
| 15:39.37 | XibaD | but I got what you said about hor and vert |
| 15:40.46 | JademusSreg | dps is short for damage per second. |
| 15:42.12 | Zolden | I have attached the normal I created from your violet one |
| 15:42.26 | XibaD | ok |
| 15:42.51 | Zolden | I created an alpha channel and copied red channel there, inverted green channel, filled R and B with white |
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| 15:43.54 | XibaD | I see |
| 15:44.33 | XibaD | this is more like what you said about horizontal and vertical |
| 15:45.00 | JademusSreg | Anyway, the idea is to make a general purpose AI, both tactical/micro and strategic/macro. Crawl the data and examine the capabilities of its own units, removing the need to custom tailor tactical AIs and build AIs. |
| 15:45.05 | XibaD | and does this work? so it's not important if it is orange or any colour only that r and b have that information |
| 15:46.01 | Zolden | JademusSreg: interesting idea |
| 15:46.39 | Zolden | XibaD: yea, only A and G matters |
| 15:46.42 | JademusSreg | I coded some of it a while ago, but the approach was flawed. Time for a new approach and new code. |
| 15:46.57 | Zolden | you can have penises in R and B channels |
| 15:47.05 | XibaD | looool |
| 15:47.10 | XibaD | ok |
| 15:47.20 | XibaD | part 1 understood |
| 15:47.22 | XibaD | part 2 |
| 15:47.32 | XibaD | ndo is fucking awesome but |
| 15:47.37 | Zolden | actually it's reasonable to use R and B for specular and emissive maps |
| 15:48.09 | XibaD | isn't is "too" complex for creating this models? I mean |
| 15:48.17 | XibaD | the possibilities are unlimited |
| 15:48.22 | JademusSreg | I missed the topic; is this a normal map disucssion? |
| 15:48.34 | JademusSreg | *discussion |
| 15:48.39 | XibaD | sort of... |
| 15:48.41 | Zolden | JademusSreg: it is |
| 15:48.53 | XibaD | I'm having trouble creating normals for my model |
| 15:49.00 | XibaD | I asked Zolden for advice |
| 15:49.24 | Zolden | XibaD: nDo greatly shortens the time of creating a normal from other textures, it's like using a helicopter instead of a car |
| 15:50.12 | Zolden | you can use all of its possibilities or only click once to generate a standart preset normal |
| 15:50.25 | JademusSreg | Ah. I'm not a modeler, but I'm pretty sure the modeling software should be responsible for generating the normals; you start from a high-detail model, and bake the details to the normal map, reducing model complexity in the process. |
| 15:50.42 | JademusSreg | That is the extent of my knowledge on the subject of model normals. |
| 15:51.10 | XibaD | thanks :) |
| 15:51.43 | XibaD | ok as I was saying, the file I sent is the tangent normal, now I have to create the rest of the normals |
| 15:52.06 | Zolden | ok, gl |
| 15:52.16 | XibaD | I saw in the forum soulfilcher |
| 15:52.31 | XibaD | said something about creating normals out of diffuse, what does he mean exactly? |
| 15:52.39 | XibaD | using nvidia plugin? |
| 15:52.56 | Zolden | you could have created those normal map modifications the simplier way, without makeing a high poly model |
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| 15:53.49 | JademusSreg | (Terrain texture normals on the other hand are weird. They use the RGB channels for one perspective and the alpha for a different perspective. Had to generate the normal maps and manually copy the R and G channels and paste them into RGB and alpha. =\ ) |
| 15:53.52 | Zolden | yea, nvidia plugin creates a normal where darker parts are pushed, whiter parts popped - it's simple and works |
| 15:54.14 | Zolden | ndo does the same, but with more details |
| 15:54.22 | XibaD | ok |
| 15:54.36 | XibaD | a lot more from what I've tested |
| 15:55.03 | XibaD | that is great for photoing something, for example and creating the nm of the material itself |
| 15:55.46 | XibaD | Zolden, would you like to take a look at the diffuse? |
| 15:55.51 | Zolden | ok |
| 15:56.18 | Zolden | i can even try to create a normal for you and explain what steps i've done |
| 15:56.38 | XibaD | that would be awesome, I didn't ask because I don't want to waste your time :) |
| 15:56.52 | XibaD | but if you can do it for me, I would invite you to some beers someday |
| 15:56.54 | XibaD | haha |
| 15:57.11 | XibaD | btw the diffuse it's a little ugly, all feedback will be appreciated |
| 15:57.20 | XibaD | uploaded |
| 15:58.05 | Zolden | gimme the max model also pls, i would like to see how it look |
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| 15:58.13 | XibaD | ok |
| 15:58.15 | Zolden | with the normal |
| 15:58.37 | JademusSreg | A high-detail source model is desirable if one aims for realism or stylized realism. Unless its minimalism and corresponding minimal geometry, or a model edit, don't see any reason not to use a high-detail source. |
| 15:58.45 | XibaD | max2011 |
| 15:58.49 | XibaD | version |
| 15:58.55 | XibaD | two layers |
| 15:59.02 | XibaD | hi layer hidden |
| 15:59.16 | XibaD | you have the textures |
| 15:59.32 | Zolden | did you create that texture? |
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| 15:59.49 | XibaD | yes, it's messy, isn't it? |
| 15:59.50 | Zolden | JademusSreg: for good modellers indeed, there is no reason to not use high poly |
| 16:00.37 | Zolden | XibaD: it's good, it's just not a perfect source for normal map creating |
| 16:00.57 | Zolden | so, one of the possibilities is to paint a normal map instead of using the diffuse |
| 16:01.32 | XibaD | how could it have been easier/clearer? |
| 16:01.42 | Zolden | JademusSreg: especially for the modellers who use z-brush, then result looks cool |
| 16:01.47 | XibaD | it took me time, indeed... |
| 16:01.54 | JademusSreg | Btw, the photoshop nvidia plugin supports channel biases for generating the normals, so if the light/dark isn't good, try modifying the biases. |
| 16:03.09 | Zolden | XibaD: for example, you have brighter borders and corners, and it's a good for better looking of the diffuse, but nDo may create a pushes on the brighter parts, which will make em look too sharp in game... (but maybe this can be fixed by playing with the layers nDo geneerates) |
| 16:03.17 | Zolden | anyway, i'll try, let'ss see what will it be |
| 16:03.31 | XibaD | ok |
| 16:03.35 | XibaD | thanks |
| 16:04.10 | Zolden | JademusSreg: in nDo everything is done to automatize evertying one could do with nvidia plugin manually |
| 16:04.38 | JademusSreg | Thanks goodness. Doing anything manually is dreadful. |
| 16:04.59 | XibaD | have to play a lot more with ndo but reminds me of crazy bump |
| 16:05.05 | XibaD | only this thing does a lot more |
| 16:06.39 | XibaD | and it's integrated into photoshop |
| 16:09.10 | Zolden | btw, i recommend to aquire a habit to name materials |
| 16:09.22 | XibaD | yeah, sorry :( |
| 16:09.48 | XibaD | I thought no one would look into the file |
| 16:09.50 | XibaD | :P |
| 16:10.56 | XibaD | anyway there's only one "useful" material |
| 16:10.58 | XibaD | and 2 maps |
| 16:11.07 | XibaD | well 1 map until now |
| 16:11.07 | G0A | guys, can someone mention some cool platform games? (made for mobile is preferred) |
| 16:11.29 | XibaD | trine |
| 16:11.38 | XibaD | not for mobile right now I think |
| 16:11.41 | Zolden | where did you get the first diffuse from? copied fomr other sc2 textures? |
| 16:11.54 | XibaD | yes |
| 16:11.57 | XibaD | frankenstein |
| 16:12.01 | XibaD | from a lot of textures |
| 16:12.10 | Zolden | G0A: darkwing duck :) |
| 16:12.19 | XibaD | lol |
| 16:12.30 | XibaD | copy paste cut transform etc |
| 16:12.39 | XibaD | first did a multimaterial |
| 16:12.52 | XibaD | then I pasted those pieces into my own diffuse |
| 16:12.59 | XibaD | not the best workflow I guess |
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| 16:13.37 | Zolden | XibaD: and this is the case of the diffuse map which requires the normals it was created for, or the normal map should be redrawn, otherwise, the normal will suck |
| 16:13.39 | Zolden | u'll see |
| 16:14.23 | XibaD | I understand |
| 16:14.34 | Zolden | i think blizz created these diffuses bease on normals (i mean those brighter corners) |
| 16:15.00 | XibaD | like I did with the windows for example? |
| 16:15.07 | XibaD | I baked ao for that piece |
| 16:15.16 | XibaD | and then I painted the diffuse |
| 16:16.25 | XibaD | could try to copy paste blizzard normals into the normal map |
| 16:16.27 | XibaD | ..... |
| 16:16.27 | XibaD | but |
| 16:16.33 | Zolden | probably |
| 16:16.36 | XibaD | that's "inaccurate" |
| 16:16.44 | Zolden | it's not easy |
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| 16:17.17 | Zolden | and looks like a wrong approach |
| 16:17.17 | XibaD | and well, due to the size of the model, maybe not all the normals should go in there |
| 16:17.30 | XibaD | maybe the doors |
| 16:17.35 | XibaD | or the tubes |
| 16:17.45 | XibaD | I dunno :( |
| 16:17.46 | Zolden | yea |
| 16:18.07 | Zolden | as a nooob, you could play with things, experiment, gather exp |
| 16:18.22 | XibaD | level up |
| 16:18.22 | XibaD | :D |
| 16:22.32 | XibaD | Zolden if you find it too messy, just leave it |
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| 16:23.02 | Zolden | it's ok, i like experimenting, i'm a noob too, and each attempt brings some knowledge |
| 16:23.10 | XibaD | noob my ass |
| 16:23.15 | XibaD | lol |
| 16:23.21 | Zolden | also, every time i try different approaches in preparing the diffuse |
| 16:23.32 | XibaD | ok |
| 16:24.01 | XibaD | I'm really impressed with the work you guys do here in mapster |
| 16:24.14 | XibaD | I only want to contribute the community |
| 16:24.18 | XibaD | and learn in the way |
| 16:24.35 | XibaD | through the way I mean |
| 16:27.10 | XibaD | I also have a different psd with all original textures I used and the normal maps |
| 16:27.19 | XibaD | maybe I can send it to you if that is useful |
| 16:27.33 | Zolden | it won't |
| 16:28.15 | Zolden | the easies way to do this good is to select all the parth which supposed to be pushed and increase their brightness, but i'm lazy to select them all |
| 16:28.44 | XibaD | np you tell me the process and I'll spend all night doing it |
| 16:28.45 | XibaD | lol |
| 16:29.08 | Zolden | so, i''ll only do some mass effects to reduce undesireble things and increase the desireble ones |
| 16:29.18 | XibaD | ok |
| 16:29.36 | Zolden | ok, let me show you and example of what can be done |
| 16:30.28 | Zolden | http://i.snag.gy/nPw4T.jpg |
| 16:30.40 | Zolden | this part is obviously a pushed detail |
| 16:31.04 | Zolden | to make it be pushed in normal map, you need to brighten up the middle, and create gradients for the sides |
| 16:31.12 | Zolden | sec, i'll do it |
| 16:31.35 | XibaD | ok |
| 16:32.03 | XibaD | that piece is from the techlab if I'm not mistaken |
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| 18:00.08 | Renee | What happpened? Am I just get disconnected? |
| 18:00.21 | twodie | crashing IRC |
| 18:00.22 | Renee | Or its the Server issue? |
| 18:00.22 | Zolden | this chat sin't stable these days |
| 18:00.24 | Renee | hmmm |
| 18:00.34 | Tivec__ | very |
| 18:02.32 | Renee | Fine, 2:00 am here. Need to go to bed, I think |
| 18:02.47 | Renee | cy~ |
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| 18:40.58 | Zolden | alright |
| 18:41.15 | Zolden | so, is it freenode fucked or the whole chat thing? |
| 18:41.37 | A1win | "the whole chat thing"? |
| 18:41.41 | A1win | freenode is the whole chat thing |
| 18:41.52 | Zolden | i mean what drops us these days? |
| 18:42.04 | A1win | they were DDoS'ed earlier, not sure if that's still going on |
| 18:42.15 | Zolden | i think freenode is a wep interface to the caht |
| 18:42.22 | A1win | freenode is an IRC network |
| 18:42.35 | A1win | and they also have a webchat service |
| 18:42.36 | Zolden | right |
| 18:42.46 | Zolden | so, is webchat server fucked these days? |
| 18:42.50 | Zolden | or it's freenode? |
| 18:43.08 | A1win | the webchat drops are probably related strictly to the webchat stuff |
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| 18:43.31 | Zolden | do irc clients users have drops problem these days? |
| 18:43.55 | Zolden | oh, nice, i can ignore bots |
| 18:43.57 | A1win | I've dropped like once every 3-6 months or something |
| 18:44.02 | Zolden | good |
| 18:44.10 | Zolden | then it was a good thing to swwitch to mirc |
| 18:44.18 | A1win | if not counting yesterday and the day before, the whole network was being ddossed |
| 18:44.20 | Zolden | how to do colored text here? |
| 18:44.37 | Zolden | i think it was happening today too |
| 18:44.40 | A1win | just don't use colored text, it looks bad ;p |
| 18:45.44 | Zolden | i jsut want to try |
| 18:46.01 | Zolden | maybe i have always dreamed to make colored messages |
| 18:46.49 | A1win | dunno, I'm not even sure how to do them on irssi, which I've used for several years |
| 18:49.18 | Zolden | ok, fuck it |
| 18:50.09 | Zolden | yea, web service is still fucked |
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| 19:54.54 | Zolden | am i still connected? |
| 19:55.44 | A1win | pineapple |
| 19:55.49 | Zolden | ;/ |
| 19:58.13 | Zolden | i just got to know that there was a $5k prize contest for a best map blizz held |
| 19:58.19 | Zolden | anyone heard of it? |
| 19:58.25 | Zolden | or about who won it? |
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| 20:01.19 | Zolden | Kueken do you use web service or a client? |
| 20:02.08 | Kueken | a client called Pidgin |
| 20:02.37 | Zolden | wtf, I ignored repo, why does it show its shit? |
| 20:02.54 | Kueken | it was nice back then, because you can use it for all sorts of instant messengers as well |
| 20:03.05 | Kueken | now I only use it for IRC |
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| 20:03.30 | A1win | ignore only hides messages |
| 20:03.40 | Kueken | if I ignore someone, it only works until the person leaves |
| 20:04.15 | Zolden | can i turn off all non-messages in mirc? |
| 20:04.33 | Zolden | anyone uses mirc? |
| 20:04.42 | A1win | dunno, haven't had need for that |
| 20:05.22 | A1win | yeah you can |
| 20:05.34 | A1win | you can make them show in channel, in status window, or hidden |
| 20:05.42 | Zolden | nice |
| 20:05.45 | A1win | for each event type separately |
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| 20:09.30 | Repo | New map: Revolution - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/revolution/ |
| 20:09.32 | Zolden | i have two questions i probably know the answers to, but forgot |
| 20:10.17 | Zolden | what is the best way to have a multiple autocast abils on a unit and make it to autocast immediately after the cooldown is finished |
| 20:10.19 | Kueken | fast, before you forget the questions |
| 20:10.36 | Zolden | i'm not stoned |
| 20:10.45 | Kueken | :) |
| 20:11.13 | Kueken | so you want them to autocast immediately without any delay or condition? |
| 20:11.22 | Zolden | and 2nd: a unit has a weapon and attacks. Will it block autocast abils? if it will, there probably a flag at abil to be not blocked by attacking |
| 20:11.55 | Zolden | Kueken I mean only the fact that all abils are autocasted, and they don't interfere with others |
| 20:12.29 | Zolden | so if there is a target for both autocasted abils, they both get executed |
| 20:12.44 | Kueken | besides cast times, they shouldn't interfere with each other by default |
| 20:12.55 | Kueken | so if you set them to transient |
| 20:13.08 | Zolden | oh, nice, so i just make em autocasted and they all work? |
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| 20:13.19 | Kueken | they should be immediately executed as long as the conditions are met |
| 20:13.23 | Zolden | i remember something about only one autocast abil is possible |
| 20:13.36 | Kueken | nah, that was just a display bug |
| 20:13.41 | Kueken | and it got fixed |
| 20:13.44 | Zolden | alright, it's good. what about the attack? will it interfere? |
| 20:13.51 | Zolden | cool |
| 20:14.24 | Kueken | potentially, depends on the setup of your abilities |
| 20:14.38 | Kueken | if you make them transient and with 360 arc, no |
| 20:15.07 | Kueken | adding cast times or arc limitations could cause the attack to interfere |
| 20:15.37 | Kueken | if valid targets are in range but not in the arc when you face your attack target for example |
| 20:15.46 | Zolden | ok, what if transient, but with no 360' arc? will unit turn to cast an abil between attacks? |
| 20:16.03 | Kueken | if transient, it won't turn |
| 20:16.16 | Kueken | you can try transient preferred for this |
| 20:16.23 | Zolden | if not transient and no 360', will it turn between attacks? |
| 20:16.38 | Zolden | preferred? is it a flag? |
| 20:16.52 | Kueken | there are 2 transient flags |
| 20:17.00 | Kueken | one is called transient preferred |
| 20:17.20 | Zolden | ok, and transient preferred can make unit turn between attacks? |
| 20:18.09 | Kueken | transient on targeted abilities tries to execute the ability immediately without interrupting the current order, so it won't turn or move into range of a valid target, even on manual cast |
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| 20:18.59 | Kueken | transient preferred will move to a target and turn if the target is out of range or arc currently, but it will not interrupt the current order if it is within range/arc. |
| 20:19.44 | Zolden | nice |
| 20:19.46 | Zolden | thank you |
| 20:19.47 | Kueken | transient would only give an error message when it would need to move or turn you |
| 20:20.57 | Zolden | well, i'd even make transient/360 to accomplish attack/cast |
| 20:21.07 | Kueken | also, if you issue attack move, transient preferred will probably turn you, while for a direct attack order, it will stay fixed on target |
| 20:21.11 | Zolden | nice vidual will make turning not necessary |
| 20:21.43 | Kueken | but ultimately, you will need to try it out, just theorycrafting here |
| 20:21.59 | Zolden | nice to know, but there won't be orders, units will act without player's help |
| 20:22.29 | Zolden | well, that was what i needed, some theory related to the subject to not feel confused if somthing won't work |
| 20:25.37 | Zolden | Kueken when will you finish your campaign map? |
| 20:25.51 | Kueken | heh, no idea |
| 20:26.01 | Kueken | not even sure if I will finish it tbh :D |
| 20:26.06 | Zolden | :)) |
| 20:26.36 | Zolden | are you sure at least that some levels will be released any way? |
| 20:26.47 | Kueken | thats a big problem for me, I like to play around with things, but I am not really determined to finish something |
| 20:26.59 | Kueken | maybe, no idea |
| 20:27.27 | Zolden | sounds like opposite to me, i'm too lazy to play around, but can't not finish a map i started |
| 20:28.17 | Zolden | this chat feels different through mirc |
| 20:28.30 | Zolden | cosier or something |
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| 20:28.56 | Zolden | Ahli do you use web service for this chat? |
| 20:29.39 | Zolden | can anyone pls mention me to see if mirc highlights |
| 20:30.02 | Zolden | i saw it's enabled, but who knows |
| 20:30.31 | Dustin | Zolden |
| 20:30.47 | Zolden | nope ;/ |
| 20:31.04 | Ahli | web service? |
| 20:31.05 | Ahli | no, I use opera |
| 20:31.20 | Zolden | isn't opera a web browser? |
| 20:31.21 | Ahli | this is one of my countless browser tabs :> |
| 20:31.40 | A1win | in other words, you do use the web service |
| 20:31.58 | Zolden | it doesn't work for me |
| 20:32.00 | Zolden | atm |
| 20:32.31 | Ahli | damned... why are leaderpanel frames marked as blizz only :'( |
| 20:32.41 | Ahli | because of cheating I suppose |
| 20:33.30 | Ahli | but I need a modified upgrade panel outside the original leaderpanel... ahh |
| 20:33.38 | Ahli | I was able to do that a few months back |
| 20:34.07 | Ahli | I should have kept the file to see if that is still possible now |
| 20:35.38 | Zolden | you should have |
| 20:37.16 | Ahli | maybe I still got it... testing all files that I've flying around :D |
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| 20:39.24 | Ahli | yes, I think they disallowed that now |
| 20:57.32 | Zolden | another question: the teams we have in lobby, are they present in game as player groups? |
| 20:57.43 | Zolden | can i select all players in team 1, for example? |
| 20:58.10 | A1win | yeah |
| 20:58.14 | Zolden | cool |
| 20:58.18 | A1win | Players On Team function |
| 20:58.24 | Zolden | ty |
| 21:00.42 | Zolden | Tenarsis said "there is alot of work" - what are they work on exactly? anyone knows? |
| 21:01.46 | Dustin | Lobbys are so fucking stupid atm tbh |
| 21:02.19 | Dustin | Nothing correlates right and shit feels half assed when working with them in my experience |
| 21:05.43 | A1win | the team function should correlate correctly |
| 21:08.43 | Zolden | Dustin i have problems with the lobby in every map, but every time I had been able to find a satisfying solution, restricted, but properly working, and you know what? every time i have a feeling that i'm just doing it the wrong, noobish way |
| 21:09.31 | Dustin | Exactly, it's ass backwards how it's all setup, it's better than it was, but still not worth the trouble |
| 21:09.39 | Zolden | so, there is a chance that some questions on forums or here may solve some of your lobby problems |
| 21:10.09 | Zolden | go booby, not lobby |
| 21:10.28 | Zolden | btw, does it highliight you if i do Dustin |
| 21:10.59 | Dustin | Yeah I setup my highlight |
| 21:11.06 | Dustin | I use HydraIRC though |
| 21:11.16 | Dustin | What client do you have? |
| 21:12.06 | Zolden | mirc |
| 21:12.19 | Zolden | but i feel like switching back to web when it fixed |
| 21:12.21 | A1win | you can set up highlights for mIRC in the "address book" (for some reason), there's a "Highlights" tab at the end |
| 21:12.24 | A1win | Alt+B shortcut |
| 21:12.55 | A1win | why would you want to switch back to a webchat D: |
| 21:13.02 | Zolden | mention me now |
| 21:13.12 | A1win | Zolden, |
| 21:13.18 | Zolden | without "," |
| 21:13.24 | A1win | Zolden |
| 21:13.33 | Zolden | ok, i need to add a word then |
| 21:14.08 | Zolden | ok, now again pls |
| 21:14.30 | Kueken | Zolden: |
| 21:14.33 | Zolden | oh yeah |
| 21:14.36 | Zolden | now worked |
| 21:14.40 | Zolden | thanks A1win |
| 21:15.31 | Zolden | can you now tell me where to switch all non-messages to be shown in the non-chat window? |
| 21:16.06 | A1win | Options (alt+o) - IRC: [Events...] |
| 21:16.47 | Zolden | hmm, no events under IRC |
| 21:17.01 | A1win | click on the IRC category, it's a button inside that |
| 21:17.04 | A1win | not a sub-category |
| 21:17.16 | Zolden | oh, right |
| 21:17.20 | Zolden | tricky :) |
| 21:17.27 | Zolden | and not object-oriented |
| 21:17.30 | A1win | hehe |
| 21:17.36 | A1win | yeah the mirc options are a mess |
| 21:18.46 | Zolden | alright |
| 21:18.56 | Zolden | now maybe i won't switch back o web |
| 21:19.10 | Zolden | now the only problem is the font |
| 21:19.36 | A1win | you can change that too ;p |
| 21:19.54 | A1win | View - Fonts... |
| 21:20.24 | A1win | I think mirc is the most customizable client there is, as far as I've seen at least |
| 21:20.29 | Zolden | wow, alot of them... |
| 21:20.51 | A1win | it's all the fonts you have installed to Windows |
| 21:20.57 | A1win | you can add more if you want ;p |
| 21:22.21 | A1win | I use Envy Code R for IRC: http://damieng.com/blog/2008/05/26/envy-code-r-preview-7-coding-font-released |
| 21:22.26 | Zolden | i think there are some good ones, but need to find... now i made it look very ugly |
| 21:22.41 | A1win | it's a nice monospace font |
| 21:23.48 | A1win | but it always takes a while to get used to a new font |
| 21:23.59 | Zolden | yea |
| 21:24.32 | A1win | smilies look the most distorted until that |
| 21:24.33 | Zolden | omg, every one i pick makes stuff uglier |
| 21:25.15 | Zolden | oh, finally a decent one |
| 21:32.09 | Zolden | omg |
| 21:32.20 | Zolden | now i understand why will i switch back to web |
| 21:32.39 | Zolden | here i can't press ctrl and get a translation of a word |
| 21:32.45 | A1win | <.< |
| 21:33.10 | Zolden | ppl like JademusSreg are hardly to talk with without that feature |
| 21:33.18 | A1win | *hard |
| 21:33.23 | Zolden | ty |
| 21:33.26 | A1win | :P |
| 21:33.50 | Zolden | i'd ask everyone to fix my grammatical errors, but i don't want to oblige ppl |
| 21:34.02 | Zolden | lucky some do it volunteerily |
| 21:34.03 | A1win | by "people like JademusSreg" I assume you mean "JademusSreg" |
| 21:34.12 | Zolden | you right :)) |
| 21:34.57 | A1win | "hardly" means "almost at all" or such |
| 21:35.42 | Zolden | yea, i remember from JCSS "I can hardly walk" |
| 21:36.11 | Kueken | yeah, thats almost equivalent to "I have no legs" |
| 21:37.38 | Zolden | have everyone seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19TVpSwrA7Q |
| 21:38.11 | A1win | heh |
| 21:41.52 | Dustin | Yeah they had the Highlight option in a fine place, then a couple patches ago they moved it to address book for some stupid ass reason |
| 21:42.50 | A1win | mm |
| 21:43.33 | A1win | new generations probably have no clue what an address book even is |
| 21:43.47 | A1win | well I guess it's called that in phones as well |
| 21:45.16 | Deaod | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8zNyxqLiyg |
| 21:55.13 | Zolden | he's more interesting to listen to then funny |
| 21:57.39 | Zolden | this made me almost die of laugh, especially the secon part (but maybe it wouldn't be so funny without the first one) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwNGJiwnM6c |
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| 22:10.07 | Kueken | Zolden: not my humor probably |
| 22:10.13 | Kueken | didn't even smile o_0 |
| 22:11.59 | Zolden | i can understand it |
| 22:12.37 | Zolden | it was actually unbelievably stupid, but in some moments i had to pause to avoid blowing of my head |
| 22:16.27 | Kueken | :) |
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| 22:21.15 | Kueken | valve is giving out dota2 keys like candy |
| 22:21.26 | Kueken | got another 17, now I am at 42 |
| 22:25.44 | Zolden | lol |
| 22:25.46 | Zolden | 42 keys? |
| 22:26.00 | Zolden | even fat kid wouldn't eat so much candies |
| 22:32.30 | Vailreth|2 | i want one |
| 22:33.26 | JademusSreg | is goofing of and made the extending bridges extend and retract automatically. |
| 22:33.30 | JademusSreg | *goofing off |
| 22:38.20 | Vailreth|2 | nice |
| 22:39.48 | JademusSreg | I was imagining the best interface, imagining how it might be used in a melee game, and figured automatic response would be optimal. |
| 22:40.05 | Vailreth|2 | i see |
| 22:40.21 | Vailreth|2 | i nolonger mod sc2 i have lost all creative ability |
| 22:40.26 | Vailreth|2 | well most anyway |
| 22:40.35 | JademusSreg | So it extends and retracts based on ground unit proximity. |
| 22:40.44 | Vailreth|2 | sweet |
| 22:41.46 | JademusSreg | Vail, I have experience in dealing with creative slumps. Best thing to do is not touch one's work, lest one in the grip of despair decide to delete or destroy it. |
| 22:42.35 | JademusSreg | Instead, I just get away, acquire new experiences, clear the mind and return eventually with a refreshed perspective. |
| 22:42.53 | Vailreth|2 | its not a creative slump its an all out in ability to come up with anything at all for the last 8 months or so |
| 22:43.25 | Vailreth|2 | my last creative idea related to sc2 was the turret mine |
| 22:43.34 | Vailreth|2 | big whoop there... |
| 22:43.41 | JademusSreg | Perhaps you'd like to join me in my work. You are competent, and apparently conceptually depleted. |
| 22:43.58 | JademusSreg | Turret mine? Sounds like the Widow Mine. |
| 22:44.22 | Vailreth|2 | yeah its a widow mine but intead of missiles it has a shrike turret on its back |
| 22:44.32 | JademusSreg | Adorable. =D |
| 22:45.03 | Vailreth|2 | even got the turret to spin while deployed and face backward while not |
| 22:45.14 | JademusSreg | Wanna play around with my most recent demo? |
| 22:45.24 | Vailreth|2 | sure, what is it? |
| 22:46.55 | JademusSreg | It's just a simple demo of my scripts, but it's also the essense of an idea I've been cultivating for a while. Just some simple shooty pew pew. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/JademusDemo.SC2Map |
| 22:47.36 | JademusSreg | If you get tired off shooting rocks, use command makeunit Sheep 32 15 |
| 22:47.39 | Vailreth|2 | ok i may not be completely idealess i do i have one idea for an ability/spell that is channeled and causes lighting arcs to wander around near the caster and shock any enemy they encounter |
| 22:49.52 | Zolden | Vailreth|2 what maps have you created? I'm curious of who can JademusSreg call competent |
| 22:50.50 | Vailreth|2 | i havent created a map unless you count the poor melee A river runs through it... ive created a few mods and demo maps there and there |
| 22:51.27 | Vailreth|2 | but all of those were lost when i had to reinstall sc2 .... |
| 22:51.39 | Zolden | what were they about? |
| 22:52.06 | Vailreth|2 | i made a simple validator and actor based poly morph ability, a fre geyser and an air strike.... |
| 22:52.54 | Kueken | Vailreth|2: you want a dota2 key? |
| 22:53.01 | Vailreth|2 | i also had animated textures on the marauder and created a nydus nest that spawned egges that triggers could control upgrades inorder to determine what the eggs hatched into |
| 22:53.31 | Zolden | i see, thanks |
| 22:53.35 | Vailreth|2 | no after thinking about it im not as into DotA2 as i was thinking i was |
| 22:53.50 | Kueken | well, I don't need them |
| 22:54.03 | Kueken | give me an email adress and you got one |
| 22:54.42 | Vailreth|2 | freezebox12b@yahoo.com |
| 22:55.31 | Kueken | done |
| 22:55.57 | Kueken | I think |
| 22:56.02 | Kueken | not sure if it worked |
| 22:56.11 | Kueken | still shows up in my inventory |
| 22:56.52 | Vailreth|2 | my steam name is vailreth |
| 22:57.18 | Kueken | ah, it still shows up, but it states that it is send |
| 22:57.26 | Kueken | so it should be working |
| 22:57.37 | JademusSreg | Vail is technically proficient, but his condition has frustrated most of his work on projects. |
| 22:57.41 | Kueken | check your spam |
| 22:58.47 | Vailreth|2 | thanks |
| 22:59.49 | Vailreth|2 | also due to my wandering interestes i have trouble sticking to one project. |
| 23:00.08 | Vailreth|2 | some days i write on novels others im busy developing table top and card games |
| 23:04.32 | Vailreth|2 | i also have worked out a way to have pets that buff the unit that summons them |
| 23:05.34 | Vailreth|2 | untill the pet is killed that is |
| 23:11.25 | Vailreth|2 | i will be back later |
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