| 00:10.30 | Ahli | I hope you won't add a Reachon |
| 00:12.06 | Ahli | jumps into your base, wrecks all drones, runs away with its high shieldpoints, attacks with 2 beams strong vs light bio, regenerates shields and life out of combat. |
| 00:16.08 | Triceron | oh wow Idra got released from EG |
| 00:52.16 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWMeWx3ydUg |
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| 00:55.24 | Triceron | oh, good thing he has a backup plan |
| 00:58.26 | JademusSreg | Back. |
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| 01:18.13 | JademusSreg | Sen looks doooomed. |
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| 01:25.15 | DeadZergling | dumb question, if I know someone's user name and bnet #, how can I get their player specific number from that again? Tried finding posts they made, doesn't look like any at this time. |
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| 01:35.56 | zeldarules28 | Anybody here know if this is a bug or perhaps a mistake: When leveling-up an attribute which adds energy, it resets the energy gained from said bonus to 0 |
| 01:37.15 | zeldarules28 | Correction, it only occurs when upgrading the behavior via an actual upgrade. |
| 01:38.15 | zeldarules28 | Blizz-Tenarsis, do you have any idea if that could be a bug? It's an issue somebody pointed out for me a while back that hasn't gone away. |
| 01:40.24 | JademusSreg | Deadz, do you mean the player handle? |
| 01:41.44 | DeadZergling | aye, need to add to triggers so he can use cheat codes |
| 01:41.46 | zeldarules28 | wow, I didn't even see that one DeadZergling >.> The "Handle of Player" function will get you their unique # but they have to be in the game. Otherwise the only way to get it is (and shh, don't tell anybody this) via their bnet page on the website. |
| 01:43.10 | JademusSreg | Deadz, you can reverse it from the url. |
| 01:44.26 | JademusSreg | For instance, if you look in your doc directory, StarCraft II/Accounts/somerandomnumber/ here you find the player handles for your accounts. |
| 01:45.35 | DeadZergling | right, the folder, just having moments of stupidity for some reason on blizz |
| 01:45.41 | JademusSreg | From what I can tell, [regioncode]-[gamecode]-[license?]-[playercode]. |
| 01:46.24 | JademusSreg | My NA account has 1-S2-1-somenumbers and my EU account has 2-S2-1-someothernumbers. |
| 01:46.38 | zeldarules28 | yea |
| 01:46.44 | zeldarules28 | what he said ^.^ |
| 01:48.04 | Kueken | why would you need player-specific cheat codes? |
| 01:48.17 | Kueken | I never liked that concept |
| 01:48.30 | DeadZergling | for testers to use on a map? |
| 01:48.36 | zeldarules28 | We've got them for starmon, we need em for debugging. But I think there's a carefull balance to strike. |
| 01:48.44 | Kueken | if anything, make them available to everyone in a global test mode |
| 01:49.05 | zeldarules28 | Why is that Kueken? I'm curious to hear ^.^ |
| 01:49.59 | zeldarules28 | I certainly think the abuse of that type of thing could be very very bad, but if you just give debug commands to yourself as a developer, it shouldn't be an issue. At least imo. |
| 01:50.34 | Kueken | yeah, probably. Had some issues with it when I played my own maps a lot, though |
| 01:51.07 | DeadZergling | think it depends just on who you are, lol |
| 01:51.21 | DeadZergling | as a dev of the map, you always in cheat mode anyways |
| 01:51.31 | DeadZergling | as you know every damned thing about it, lol |
| 01:51.34 | Kueken | also, implementing cheats for everyone and make them available only in a test mode makes testing with other people way easier, without having to add them to the list or anything |
| 01:52.01 | Kueken | and if you don't enable test mode, you make sure its still a fair game |
| 01:52.04 | Kueken | well |
| 01:52.13 | Kueken | personal preference I guess |
| 01:53.57 | DeadZergling | suppose, imagine the surprise my testers will have when i delete their access to the codes when I release, lol |
| 01:54.09 | DeadZergling | no intention of removing myself from said list, just because |
| 01:55.04 | zeldarules28 | Zero's looking for a "pro" data editor to work on his RPG. It's reasonably far along already. Anybody here interested? |
| 01:55.18 | DeadZergling | pro? well don't look at me |
| 01:55.25 | DeadZergling | upper intermediate at best, lol |
| 01:56.31 | DeadZergling | well that and said project sucks up any time I dedicate to modding anyways... |
| 01:56.50 | Kueken | sorry, I can hardly manage my own planned maps :D |
| 01:56.57 | JademusSreg | Sorry. I'd help, but I'm a conceited, selfish, narcissistic, self-aggrandizing, megalomaniacal asshole. |
| 01:57.05 | DeadZergling | planning is dangerous, always leaves you behind |
| 01:57.16 | zeldarules28 | hee hee ^.^ No worries, I just figured I'd ask |
| 01:57.31 | DeadZergling | might have more volunteers if he mentioned what he wants |
| 01:57.44 | zeldarules28 | yeah he's got a thread, I just mentioned it here |
| 01:58.11 | zeldarules28 | Linky linky for anybody who might see this later- http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/team-recruitment/52625-zerg-rpg-requesting-data-expert/#p3 |
| 01:58.33 | JademusSreg | (Well, I can help, but more of the answer questions and troubleshoot problems sort; I've got my own ideas in need of legwork.) |
| 01:58.51 | DeadZergling | ooohhh, he promises moneys! |
| 01:58.57 | DeadZergling | maybe |
| 01:59.46 | JademusSreg | Heisenberg's PayPal Deposits? |
| 02:00.06 | Kueken | o_o |
| 02:00.08 | Dustin | Should I HOTSatize my map? |
| 02:01.02 | Dustin | I think I will. |
| 02:01.38 | Kueken | Heisenberg's paypal? with probability of cashpresence? :D |
| 02:02.51 | JademusSreg | You cannot know both the amount and when it will arrive with an arbitrary degree of accuracy. |
| 02:03.57 | DeadZergling | heh, I refuse to use HoTS in my map |
| 02:04.00 | DeadZergling | too limiting |
| 02:04.14 | DeadZergling | I'm just waiting for a 20 $ special on the XP |
| 02:04.28 | Dustin | Anyone got any block prevention methods? Mine didnt work to well lol |
| 02:05.18 | JademusSreg | Draino. |
| 02:05.38 | Dustin | In relation to sc2 mapping terms :) |
| 02:05.39 | Kueken | block prevention? |
| 02:05.52 | Kueken | as in damage block? |
| 02:05.54 | Dustin | Like a wave of enemies trying to get to a point |
| 02:06.00 | JademusSreg | In relation to mazing. |
| 02:06.03 | Dustin | And a user blocking their path |
| 02:06.06 | Kueken | ah |
| 02:06.09 | Dustin | Ya mazing |
| 02:06.11 | JademusSreg | Kill the user. |
| 02:06.49 | Dustin | Oh I know what I'lll do |
| 02:07.02 | Kueken | from what I know, the usual method is checking the pathing cost, but it malfunctions for 1x1 grid spaces sometimes |
| 02:07.12 | Kueken | so some maps force 2x2 holes |
| 02:07.30 | Kueken | or do you mean actual punishment? |
| 02:08.11 | JademusSreg | Dustin is porting Anomaly to SC2. |
| 02:08.20 | JademusSreg | It's the only explanation. |
| 02:08.22 | Kueken | whats anomaly? |
| 02:08.50 | JademusSreg | http://www.11bitstudios.com/games/7/anomaly-warzone-earth |
| 02:09.30 | Kueken | heh |
| 02:09.32 | JademusSreg | Refered to cheekily as reverse tower defense, the game is about getting your guys through alien defenses. |
| 02:09.41 | Kueken | I knew that game but didn't know it |
| 02:10.06 | Dustin | Im going to draw a magical line and go down the line till it's not blocked and then order there, then move the point up as pathing opens up to control flow forward |
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| 02:10.25 | Dustin | Because now they just run off cause they cant path past the blocking |
| 02:10.35 | egod | hey Dustin wanna try my map? |
| 02:10.54 | egod | you need to be high setting |
| 02:11.01 | Dustin | Ultra |
| 02:11.05 | egod | ok its fine |
| 02:11.39 | egod | your online? |
| 02:11.45 | Dustin | loggin now |
| 02:12.34 | egod | how to join the sc2mpaster group |
| 02:17.33 | zeldarules28 | just go to 'join group' in the bnet menu |
| 02:17.47 | zeldarules28 | It's called "sc2mapster". If it's featured you can just hop in there, dunno if it still is though. |
| 02:26.22 | DeadZergling | if you want a real high setting, get Zolden to test w/ you |
| 02:26.28 | DeadZergling | he is a strong believer in coding while high |
| 02:26.57 | DeadZergling | thx again for the help Jade/Zelda |
| 02:27.05 | DeadZergling | I'm outta here for today probably |
| 02:45.42 | JademusSreg | Sad. My string-based List is quite slow according to the debugger. Or rather, the way I'm using it is. Hm. |
| 03:12.35 | teh_almarar | Kueken, warum bist du nicht im bett? |
| 03:13.13 | Kueken | Warum begleitest du mich nicht, Lajla? :) |
| 03:20.30 | Ahli | nasty |
| 03:22.00 | Kueken | gladly noone understands |
| 03:22.13 | Kueken | (present company excepted) |
| 03:22.32 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 03:23.06 | JademusSreg | Not like it explicitly refers to coitus. |
| 03:23.15 | Kueken | it does not? |
| 03:23.17 | Kueken | :( |
| 03:23.22 | Kueken | now I am disappointed |
| 03:23.50 | Ahli | uhm... it implies that, if you use that phrase |
| 03:23.58 | JademusSreg | Implies, yes, haha. |
| 03:24.18 | Kueken | but impies != explicitly |
| 03:24.21 | JademusSreg | But that's just class. |
| 03:24.22 | Kueken | *l |
| 03:24.49 | JademusSreg | Illusion vs Vibe, so sad. |
| 03:26.28 | JademusSreg | Vibe was doomed most the game, but death did not come. |
| 03:26.59 | Kueken | what game we talk about? |
| 03:27.01 | Kueken | sc2? |
| 03:27.05 | JademusSreg | http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLGSC2 |
| 03:27.22 | JademusSreg | Vibe making a strong return. |
| 03:27.38 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 03:27.53 | Kueken | tuning in, caster already annoys me after 2 seconds |
| 03:28.14 | Kueken | other caster sounds decent, though :D |
| 03:28.38 | JademusSreg | Illusion went all in with a diverse mech bio build, but didn't retreat and economy is crippled. |
| 03:29.48 | JademusSreg | And yeah, the casters for the last few streams I've watched have been crap. |
| 03:30.56 | Kueken | casters in suits |
| 03:31.05 | Kueken | some MLG thing, right? |
| 03:31.09 | Kueken | alienates me |
| 03:31.37 | JademusSreg | Plus, seems like the advertisements interrupt the match endings. Like that was a good idea. |
| 03:31.49 | JademusSreg | Just for me. |
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| 03:35.51 | JademusSreg | Oh, unrelated, my missiles behave oddly depending on where I'm firing. If I fire across a cliff gap (over the unpathable cliff level), it behaves properly, yet if I launch them such that the offset's target point is in the unpathable, it ascends. =D |
| 03:35.52 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:36.16 | Ahli | so, progress of today: http://snag.gy/VyrKt.jpg http://snag.gy/Op4tm.jpg in interfaces... :) |
| 03:36.34 | JademusSreg | This is still playing with the guidance + spread missiles. |
| 03:36.51 | Kueken | jade, do you use the z of caster point site operation I mentioned yesterday? |
| 03:37.15 | Kueken | seemed to fix the issue for gooose |
| 03:37.23 | JademusSreg | Niiice Ahli. |
| 03:37.48 | Deaod | this looks suspiciously like the UI used by dreamhack i think it was |
| 03:37.50 | JademusSreg | Yes, that's what seems to cause it to overcompensate and ascend over where it would otherwise drop. |
| 03:38.13 | Kueken | hm |
| 03:38.16 | JademusSreg | Just goes upward along its course, bizarre, but amusing. |
| 03:38.17 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 03:38.29 | Ahli | yes, I work on GameHeart. Thus I can easily make its UI into an interface |
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| 03:41.43 | Ahli | so, sponsors image now, mapname and timer tomorrow... then I check out how to create toggles and add one for the observer and replay panel including a frame in F10 menu with the shortcuts, if possible. :) |
| 03:49.53 | Ahli | http://snag.gy/7rfBy.jpg with gstl sponsors |
| 04:02.20 | Ahli | http://www.twitch.tv/sc2cress/new ohhh myyyy |
| 04:02.37 | Ahli | internet doesn't want me go to bed |
| 04:10.03 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 04:10.17 | JademusSreg | Wat's that stream offer? |
| 04:10.30 | Kueken | a guy playing sc2 with a controller |
| 04:10.54 | JademusSreg | And? |
| 04:10.58 | Kueken | exactly |
| 04:12.17 | JademusSreg | Poor Vibe. |
| 04:12.19 | Kueken | you talk alot about your back |
| 04:12.38 | Kueken | why never mention the front? |
| 04:12.39 | JademusSreg | Because it is so voluptuous. |
| 04:13.59 | Ahli | and that guy is in masters league |
| 04:14.08 | JademusSreg | Who? |
| 04:14.17 | Kueken | controller guy |
| 04:14.45 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 04:18.25 | JademusSreg | Niiice, Vibe won last of 5 with a close early all in defense against an all in offense, then came back with a Roach+Swarm Host assault. Entertaining. |
| 04:18.57 | Kueken | nah, he doesn't play with a controller |
| 04:19.04 | Kueken | cannot be entertaining |
| 04:19.11 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 04:19.37 | JademusSreg | Sounds like the one person who liked StarCraft 64. |
| 04:19.47 | Kueken | :D |
| 04:20.16 | Kueken | maybe they will release SC2 on PS5 |
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| 04:21.28 | JademusSreg | Sure, why not, there are more useless things that could be done. |
| 04:22.05 | Kueken | catching a fly with chopsticks would be a nice start |
| 04:23.19 | JademusSreg | That Karate Kid cheated in the final match. |
| 04:24.11 | JademusSreg | Oh, and the movie popularized the montage, and ruined every generation thereafter by breezing over the long, arduous path to mastery. |
| 04:25.38 | JademusSreg | Yeah, fuck personal growth and reflection on how adversity shapes us, lets play some shitty music and pave over the only part of the story that has any significance. |
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| 04:27.46 | JademusSreg | Unrelated, replacing the part of my code which used a string-based list with a more literal and direct approach was a quantifiable improvement. |
| 04:30.38 | JademusSreg | Still have yet to address the guidance mover issue, but no worries. More of an oddity than a relevant problem. |
| 04:31.48 | Kueken | :) |
| 04:32.08 | Kueken | Something I wanted to ask you |
| 04:33.42 | Kueken | you seem to make a point of always starting your sentences with a capital letter and end with a dot, very meticulous about formulation and grammar |
| 04:34.33 | Kueken | I was wondering why that is, just abit, a certain philosophy, or related to your profession? |
| 04:34.39 | Kueken | *habit |
| 04:37.27 | JademusSreg | I feel it most accurately reflects how I think, in the sense of an internal monologue, and how I speak with people. The important bit there being how it feels, not that one would likely think with letters as such. |
| 04:38.42 | Kueken | the formulation you mean? |
| 04:44.16 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 04:44.36 | JademusSreg | Game UI Data : UI: Placement Grid Dimensions. |
| 04:44.46 | JademusSreg | Anyone tinkered with that field? |
| 04:45.27 | Kueken | uh, sounds useful for shrinking stuff to simulate bigger map size |
| 04:45.38 | JademusSreg | Hm. Perhaps. |
| 04:45.59 | Kueken | from what I read the only thing limiting that would be the building grid |
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| 05:11.40 | JademusSreg | Reduce gravity + death physics. Morbid space fun. |
| 05:15.04 | JademusSreg | Or rather, I should say increase the gravity value, since it applies a drag to physics objects. |
| 05:19.55 | Kueken | yes, daddy, I wanna play |
| 05:20.01 | Kueken | giev toys! |
| 05:22.57 | JademusSreg | Played with banelings and Thors against other ripe units with gravity 0.03125. |
| 05:23.14 | JademusSreg | Thors vs Hydralisks at that gravity make some nice floaty dead hydras. |
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| 05:23.40 | Kueken | where do I change it? |
| 05:23.46 | Kueken | gameplay data? |
| 05:23.50 | JademusSreg | Recalls that lovely scene in StarTrek: First Contact... |
| 05:23.53 | JademusSreg | Terrain Type. |
| 05:23.58 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 05:24.02 | Kueken | sounds... random |
| 05:24.17 | JademusSreg | So space terrain can have reduced gravity, I suppose. |
| 05:24.27 | JademusSreg | Fits. |
| 05:24.32 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 05:24.51 | Kueken | yeah well, you probably get Blizzard's reasoning better than me |
| 05:26.20 | Kueken | so you set it from -9.8 to +.03125? |
| 05:27.38 | JademusSreg | (Yes) |
| 05:30.09 | Kueken | :P |
| 05:30.26 | Kueken | yes, pretty funny to see some zerglings fly right in your face |
| 05:32.28 | JademusSreg | (Of course, their position relative to the force volume makes a difference.) |
| 05:34.22 | Kueken | (if I see you type in brackets, I always picture you whispering in the channel, pretending you are not there) |
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| 05:41.44 | Triceron | (WHAT IF SOMEONE TYPES IN CAPS BUT ALSO IN BRACKETS LIKE THIS?) |
| 05:56.16 | Kueken | (HE TRIES TO WHISPER LOUDLY) |
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| 06:06.09 | rift | ret |
| 06:33.59 | Dogmai | ahli |
| 06:34.06 | Dogmai | shit |
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| 07:01.42 | G0A | wow, I have my 20th map uploaded on EU:) |
| 07:04.20 | halides_ | nice :-) |
| 07:04.39 | G0A | seems like I will need to delete some of my test maps:) |
| 07:10.01 | Lord_ | you sure will |
| 07:10.15 | Lord_ | so why the Unity or seomthing didnt worked out so well? |
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| 07:25.49 | G0A | Lord_ unity? |
| 07:26.10 | G0A | you mean unity3d? |
| 07:26.20 | Lord_ | something in those words |
| 07:26.47 | G0A | btw how can I show buildings on the after game score stuff in the build orders? |
| 07:27.00 | G0A | I mean in the after game summery |
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| 07:29.14 | G0A | ohh I think I know why it didnt worked for me |
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| 08:31.01 | DeadZergling | anyone awake in here decent w/ actor events? |
| 08:31.45 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 08:32.03 | JademusSreg | Also, some advice. |
| 08:32.49 | JademusSreg | Don't bother with metaquestions. More efficient to just launch into the issue than ask if anyone can help on a category of problems. |
| 08:33.27 | DeadZergling | suppose, I tend to like to announce the category first I guess |
| 08:33.29 | DeadZergling | anyways |
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| 08:34.15 | DeadZergling | All I'm trying to do is play the first 2.25 seconds of an animation then stop it, I know how to get it playing, but it keeps jumping all over the place, isn't predictable at all |
| 08:34.28 | DeadZergling | it is doing what I want, 70 % of the time |
| 08:34.31 | DeadZergling | hi Zolden |
| 08:34.34 | Zolden | hey |
| 08:34.38 | JademusSreg | Alright. PAstebin the xml. |
| 08:34.43 | JademusSreg | *Pastebin |
| 08:35.28 | JademusSreg | (Any paste service is fine; pastebin is just generic here.) |
| 08:35.50 | DeadZergling | http://pastebin.com/7B7JXyki |
| 08:36.21 | JademusSreg | I meant the entire actor and any other relevant data. |
| 08:37.07 | DeadZergling | can do that, I don't think the other data is too relevant, the effect is just the one it watches for, second |
| 08:37.33 | DeadZergling | http://pastebin.com/zKYjNMkz |
| 08:37.47 | JademusSreg | Helps identify non-obvious issues, and also allows copypasta for immediate testing. =D |
| 08:37.58 | Zolden | DeadZergling: (have shadow disappeared?) |
| 08:38.07 | DeadZergling | yes Zolden, shadow has dissapeared |
| 08:38.18 | JademusSreg | Oh my. |
| 08:38.26 | DeadZergling | contrasted the hell out of the normal, and cut the animation speed in half, made it look a lot better |
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| 08:38.59 | JademusSreg | Generally not a good idea to embed effect-oriented events in a unit, but whatever. |
| 08:40.13 | JademusSreg | A few things. Is any other anim-shit using the Spell label? |
| 08:40.32 | DeadZergling | for this actor, no |
| 08:40.50 | JademusSreg | Because anything inadvertedly clearing or starting a new one or such will cause conflicts. |
| 08:40.50 | DeadZergling | another actor does use Spell pretty often |
| 08:41.05 | DeadZergling | totally different units though |
| 08:41.07 | JademusSreg | Usuallya good idea to make new labels. |
| 08:41.34 | DeadZergling | that's fine, didn't think it mattered, but can easily do that |
| 08:41.52 | JademusSreg | Granted, the interface doesn't make it easy to add new anim labels, but whatever. You can add them manually through the XML; it's much faster. |
| 08:42.25 | JademusSreg | <On Terms="Effect.WindBladeUnitPointSet.Start; At Caster" Send="AnimPlay { } Attack,02"/> The empty brackets could be replaced with WindBladeSpell for example. |
| 08:43.06 | JademusSreg | The labels/names are just arbitrary references, the payload of anim tags and such is not arbitrary. =D |
| 08:43.23 | DeadZergling | yea, windblade i want the whole animation to play |
| 08:43.27 | DeadZergling | so isn't a big deal |
| 08:44.10 | JademusSreg | I mean <On Terms="Effect.WindBladeUnitPointSet.Start; At Caster" Send="AnimPlay { } Attack,02"/> would be better as <On Terms="Effect.WindBladeUnitPointSet.Start; At Caster" Send="AnimPlay WindBladeSpell Attack,02"/> or whatever label you prefer. |
| 08:45.10 | JademusSreg | The empty braces there means the field isn't filled in, and it's always a good idea to use the labels, preferably with custom-defined names. Will help prevent conflicts, you see. =D |
| 08:45.55 | JademusSreg | brb, lavatory, snack, smoke |
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| 08:56.58 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 08:57.25 | JademusSreg | That said, you should not be using effect events in the unit. |
| 08:58.24 | DeadZergling | then how else do you propose I have a that specific unit play animations when I want it to? |
| 08:58.54 | JademusSreg | Gotta ask a few questions about the design, Deadz. Are these effects applied via trigger or via ability? |
| 08:58.55 | DeadZergling | not looking to reinvent the wheel tonight, just want a stable animation for 2.25 seconds |
| 08:59.03 | DeadZergling | via ability |
| 08:59.24 | JademusSreg | In that case, you'd use Ability/Abil events. |
| 08:59.42 | JademusSreg | And there are plenty. You can see the examples throughout the standard data. |
| 09:00.36 | JademusSreg | Sometimes people have trouble with them because the ability stages are not properly configured, but that's a simple thing to work out. |
| 09:00.56 | JademusSreg | Anyway, as for the animation... |
| 09:02.04 | JademusSreg | High Templar unit actor has this, for example: <On Terms="Abil.PsiStorm.SourceCastStart" Send="AnimPlay A A"/> |
| 09:03.22 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmm, abil event has a ton more things to choose, more control in some ways, less in others, good to know of in any case |
| 09:03.31 | DeadZergling | I just went for the first effect in the chain typically |
| 09:04.06 | JademusSreg | I assure you, you'll want to switch to this in the future. But for now, we'll address this animation issue. |
| 09:04.18 | DeadZergling | that's fine, but still has the issue of making it always do the same 2.25 seconds |
| 09:04.35 | JademusSreg | Set Time Type to Duration. |
| 09:04.54 | DeadZergling | done |
| 09:04.55 | JademusSreg | Set Time Variant to 2.25. |
| 09:05.12 | DeadZergling | done |
| 09:05.28 | JademusSreg | Now its duration is 2.25 game time seconds. |
| 09:05.52 | DeadZergling | damn blizzard's lousy tooltips |
| 09:05.55 | DeadZergling | damn them |
| 09:06.07 | DeadZergling | that is what time variant is, lol |
| 09:06.27 | JademusSreg | The TimeType determines how the TimeVariant is interpreted. |
| 09:06.31 | DeadZergling | imagine i can delete the timer stuff then |
| 09:06.41 | JademusSreg | Yes, I should hope so. |
| 09:06.49 | DeadZergling | good, i hate using those |
| 09:07.10 | JademusSreg | And unflag PlayForever. |
| 09:07.16 | JademusSreg | So it will clear itself properly. |
| 09:07.38 | DeadZergling | is blend in/out of -.1 okay? |
| 09:07.44 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 09:08.24 | DeadZergling | kk taking a look, Zolden I should show you a demo of your model in action |
| 09:08.32 | DeadZergling | just have to remember what the bloody hell im doing w/ fraps, lol |
| 09:08.35 | JademusSreg | Animation blending is necessary for smoothing out animation transitions. Usually, it's -1, because that's immediate. |
| 09:08.51 | JademusSreg | So changing the value to -0.1 did nothing. |
| 09:09.14 | DeadZergling | well if it does nothing, it should go back to -1 then |
| 09:09.19 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 09:11.08 | DeadZergling | seems it helps to select the right ability for the animation to start on |
| 09:11.14 | DeadZergling | taking another look, lol |
| 09:11.14 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I strongly advise you look into using the Abil actor events, as it will save you a lot of trouble along the way. The Effect events are intended to be used as part of the effect tree, like Action actors, and Model / Sound actors for special effects. |
| 09:12.32 | JademusSreg | If you need insight as to how best to use them, start by looking at the standard data, casters and such, and look at their abilities to see how their stage fields are configured. |
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| 09:13.06 | JademusSreg | And if you get stuck, plenty of knowledgable people here ready to lend a hand. |
| 09:13.35 | JademusSreg | And more willing the more effort one puts into finding a solution before getting stuck. =D |
| 09:14.14 | JademusSreg | I mention this only because there are a number of users who frequent this channel and feign helplessness to get a quick fix. |
| 09:14.56 | JademusSreg | You're not that sort; you hacked together a solution for your needs that, while not optimal, demonstrates ingenuity. |
| 09:15.31 | DeadZergling | yea that's me, learn 3 or 4 whole conditions/actions |
| 09:15.41 | DeadZergling | and somehow crap a solution together, lol |
| 09:16.01 | JademusSreg | That's how the good ones start. |
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| 09:17.17 | DeadZergling | I'm attempting to shake rust off mostly lately, took a 4-5 month break |
| 09:18.59 | JademusSreg | Well, if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask (and don't bother with metaquestions). =D |
| 09:19.11 | DeadZergling | I'll try to keep that in mind Jade, thanks again |
| 09:19.18 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 09:19.21 | DeadZergling | no promises though about the metaquestions |
| 09:19.28 | DeadZergling | is just the way I think, lol |
| 09:19.33 | Zolden | DeadZergling: saw the eclipse? |
| 09:19.47 | DeadZergling | naw, I was trapped inside software testing Zolden |
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| 09:20.32 | JademusSreg | No worries. Things change. Our dear A1win used to be hopelessly frustratingly nice. =D |
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| 09:20.50 | DeadZergling | yea, I think I teased him too much in the past |
| 09:20.59 | DeadZergling | about project hopping :) |
| 09:21.46 | DeadZergling | A1win, are the planets in your current project supposed to symbolize different projects? |
| 09:21.59 | JademusSreg | Baduntisss |
| 09:22.12 | DeadZergling | it is like your life story dude, lol |
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| 09:23.05 | DeadZergling | Give me a bit here Zolden, want to show what I did with your model, just have to remember fraps/youtube video ups a bit |
| 09:25.41 | JademusSreg | Reminds me, Zol, the only thing of note I found from tinkering with that map a few hours was that that black area is not a frame, and that the cutscene didn't have its own scene actor. |
| 09:26.24 | JademusSreg | Which suggests that, unlike portraits, it has far more freedom interacting with other scene contexts. |
| 09:26.37 | Zolden | if black thing isn't a frame, what is it? |
| 09:27.09 | Zolden | honestly, I don't know what it means if a scene has no actor |
| 09:27.11 | JademusSreg | Still a huge fucking mystery. My best guess atm is a rendering error. |
| 09:27.53 | JademusSreg | In the WorldUI frame, probably. Could be an issue with the batch processing of the unit status frames for all I know. |
| 09:28.10 | Zolden | well, if artestru show up, he can explain it i guess |
| 09:28.31 | DeadZergling | I suck, I had to look up the damn record hotkey on fraps |
| 09:28.35 | DeadZergling | that's how rusty I am |
| 09:29.17 | JademusSreg | Ah. The various perspectives available in the game have scene contexts, which are "actorized" and handled with scene actors (SYSTEM_Scene). |
| 09:29.48 | Zolden | DeadZergling: human memory can't be removed entirely without damaging brain |
| 09:29.50 | JademusSreg | So the Game World has it, portraits have it, some other shit has it (probably for mercs or battle report shit). |
| 09:30.09 | DeadZergling | uhoh, now I gotta remember how to compress videos |
| 09:30.11 | JademusSreg | But the cutscene you instantiated had its own scene context but no scene actor. |
| 09:30.13 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 09:31.24 | JademusSreg | Deadz, knowledge may be forgotten, but understanding is so thorough as to be felt. |
| 09:31.54 | DeadZergling | yea unfortunately, computers only care about syntax |
| 09:32.08 | Zolden | JademusSreg: can it be because I didn't add something to the cutscene, which would create an actor for it? or none of cutscene played in a dialog have actors? |
| 09:33.08 | JademusSreg | I refer more to retaining pieces of information by rote memorization versus developing a mental model that makes understanding a given system more intuitive. |
| 09:33.12 | Zolden | computers also care aobut dominating above the biological computational forms |
| 09:35.02 | DeadZergling | funny you say that Zolden, just watched terminator 3 last night, lol |
| 09:35.03 | JademusSreg | Zol, uncertain. I used the debug command ActorDumpLive to get the info. You're welcome to test it, I'm rather burned out on tinkering with it after yesterday. No solid results, only half-realized questions. Blizz folks would be useful there. |
| 09:36.45 | Zolden | yea, would be |
| 09:37.03 | JademusSreg | Platinum-lining, though. |
| 09:38.05 | Zolden | my aim was to create pip, and i'm out of ideas too, sincne we don't know whot to move the cutscene |
| 09:38.11 | JademusSreg | The results strongly suggest that cutscenes are less limited in how they may interact. Portraits were confined, so to speak, which prevented me from hijacking them. |
| 09:38.59 | JademusSreg | No matter what I did, I could get a game world camera to feed a portrait's scene context. |
| 09:39.11 | JademusSreg | Cutscenes clearly don't have this limitation. |
| 09:39.33 | JademusSreg | Which I expect means you're on the verge of PiP. |
| 09:39.46 | JademusSreg | Once the bugs and shit get worked out, of course. |
| 09:40.00 | JademusSreg | *No matter what I did, I couldn't |
| 09:40.53 | DeadZergling | well it won't be winning any awards, but here is a quick and dirty demo Zolden, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9UPyl4SN2k&feature=youtu.be |
| 09:40.57 | Zolden | may it be possible to get a model camera feed scene's rtt channel? |
| 09:41.19 | JademusSreg | Zol, yes, I suspect this is doable. |
| 09:41.26 | Zolden | without additional tricks, scene and gameworld rtt channels are different |
| 09:41.31 | JademusSreg | And the Blizz folks alluded to it, iirc. |
| 09:42.21 | JademusSreg | Adorable ability, Deadz. |
| 09:42.24 | Zolden | DeadZergling: yea, nice |
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| 09:42.51 | DeadZergling | thought about makign him jump, but decided a solid arm swing was good too |
| 09:43.13 | Zolden | JademusSreg: they have, mentioned some misterious flag |
| 09:44.02 | JademusSreg | suggests force volume and knockback against units that aren't killed by the wave. |
| 09:44.43 | Zolden | ok, time to concentrate on inventing my future map |
| 09:44.49 | DeadZergling | well enough editing for now |
| 09:45.02 | DeadZergling | time for more senseless violence, also known as Total Recall |
| 09:45.05 | Ahli | https://t.co/2z8OioLmpQ TB in a newspaper |
| 09:45.33 | JademusSreg | Ah, I thought you meant tuberculosis. |
| 09:48.26 | DeadZergling | also time for captain crunch cereal |
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| 09:58.49 | Zolden | Ahli: is it modern paper with flexible touch screen to watch vids? |
| 10:09.52 | Ahli | no |
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| 10:12.24 | Otixa | Gentlemen. |
| 10:12.51 | Otixa | smacks JademusSreg with a spoon |
| 10:12.57 | Saeris1 | sup people |
| 10:12.59 | Zolden | Otixa: hey, finished dissertation? |
| 10:13.05 | Otixa | Yeah :D |
| 10:13.09 | Otixa | Final interview was today |
| 10:13.18 | Otixa | They seemed to really like it :> |
| 10:13.30 | Zolden | greetings |
| 10:13.44 | Otixa | Oh yeah, I brought a Saeris |
| 10:13.51 | Otixa | He needs help naming his map |
| 10:13.54 | Saeris | yea |
| 10:13.56 | Otixa | shoves Saeris forward |
| 10:14.02 | Saeris | lol |
| 10:14.06 | Zolden | name it "monkey penis" |
| 10:14.17 | Otixa | There. Settled! :D |
| 10:14.23 | Saeris | I've been working on a Team Liquid map contest entry, here's the finished product: http://imgur.com/a/cVFfP |
| 10:14.35 | Saeris | got about 4 hours left to name it |
| 10:15.39 | Saeris | suggestions will be appreciated and considered |
| 10:17.15 | Otixa | Crystal Chasm! |
| 10:17.30 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 10:18.05 | JademusSreg | Hallo Otixa. How's the dessertification go? Turn all the professors into cheesecake, I expect? |
| 10:18.07 | Otixa | hands JademusSreg a glass of scotch |
| 10:18.12 | JademusSreg | Mmmm. |
| 10:18.16 | Otixa | Muchly so! |
| 10:18.31 | Otixa | Funny thing is they only had my thesis on their desk |
| 10:18.40 | Otixa | And were all like :O during the presentation |
| 10:18.49 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 10:18.53 | Otixa | And shook my hand and congratulated me in the end |
| 10:19.03 | Otixa | And said that it looks "epic" |
| 10:19.11 | Otixa | Otixa is pleased ;> |
| 10:19.19 | Otixa | spreads ember wings |
| 10:19.27 | JademusSreg | Nicely done. <3 |
| 10:19.37 | Otixa | Thanks for the help :> |
| 10:19.45 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 10:20.12 | Saeris | already got plans for what to do next? |
| 10:20.24 | Otixa | Also, SC2Mapster is in acknowledgements :D |
| 10:20.35 | Otixa | Yeh, plan to start a company |
| 10:21.12 | JademusSreg | Looks nice Sear. |
| 10:21.22 | JademusSreg | Scenic. |
| 10:21.26 | Saeris | thanks |
| 10:21.37 | JademusSreg | Though I wonder if you have any map analysis data. |
| 10:22.06 | JademusSreg | *Saer |
| 10:22.08 | Saeris | the analyzer has been broken for a long time now =( doesn't work with HotS afaik |
| 10:22.36 | JademusSreg | Oh, I wasn't refering to that old one. iirc, someone was working on an analyzer that works in-game. |
| 10:22.49 | Saeris | was talking to a guy from GGTracker about it just the other day, he was looking to do a project to help with map making |
| 10:22.57 | Saeris | told him to take that and make it an easy to use web app |
| 10:23.02 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 10:23.25 | JademusSreg | That would be of great benefit to mappers, not only melee. |
| 10:23.34 | Saeris | for sure |
| 10:24.08 | Saeris | so, i dunno if this is too punny |
| 10:24.14 | Saeris | Bridging the Gap |
| 10:24.42 | JademusSreg | I think it may not even qualify as a pun, given how overt it is. |
| 10:24.54 | Saeris | just doesn't sound like a map name that I'd hear in GSL/Proleague |
| 10:25.02 | JademusSreg | Agreed. |
| 10:25.23 | Saeris | and that's really what I want out of this, fuck all to the contest or getting on the ladder o.O |
| 10:25.34 | Saeris | I just want a map in the GSL pool damnit |
| 10:25.51 | Saeris | besides I have 3 maps on the ladder already, haha |
| 10:26.15 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of the Jetbike race from ChronoTrigger, crossing Site 32. |
| 10:26.24 | JademusSreg | Site 32... |
| 10:26.36 | Otixa | Also, here's teh thesis for anyone who may be interested: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10032576/FYP/FYP_Public.pdf |
| 10:27.02 | Saeris | maybe, I never played Chrono Trigger all the way through =( |
| 10:27.18 | Saeris | travesty I know |
| 10:27.24 | JademusSreg | No worries. |
| 10:28.10 | JademusSreg | downloads the doc. |
| 10:28.24 | JademusSreg | Also reminds me of Midgard from FF7. |
| 10:28.49 | JademusSreg | Didn't much like that game, but it had some striking visual design. |
| 10:29.21 | Saeris | I don't make that association, but okay |
| 10:29.28 | Saeris | hmmm |
| 10:29.39 | Saeris | time to read up on the Kel'Morian Combine |
| 10:30.04 | JademusSreg | Ah, yes. The Guild Wars, fun stuff. |
| 10:30.38 | Saeris | well, one of my favorite things about the map is the mining theme, and the "Real Men Drill Deep" signs |
| 10:30.49 | JademusSreg | Yes, I noticed, haha. |
| 10:30.59 | Saeris | I was thinking of doing a Gurren Lagann reference for the name... but that just doesn't seem to work |
| 10:31.45 | JademusSreg | Rectumus Prime. =D |
| 10:32.07 | Saeris | sounds like an autobot |
| 10:32.31 | JademusSreg | It's a convergence of comical references. |
| 10:32.33 | Saeris | which reminds me, this map requires tastosilopes and artisisbots |
| 10:33.54 | JademusSreg | Ooh, post-WoL Meinhoff would be a good candidate. Not like Raynor could glass the planet, and it had Kel-Morian affiliation. |
| 10:34.19 | Saeris | totally not a meinhoff tileset |
| 10:34.41 | JademusSreg | Sure, but then SC2 Korhal looks nothing like SC1 Korhal. |
| 10:34.42 | Saeris | it's actually a combination of Korhal Wastes, Phaethon, Daelam Ark, and Moros Installation |
| 10:35.07 | JademusSreg | Mmm. All of which evoke underworldly imagery. |
| 10:35.24 | Saeris | like |
| 10:35.33 | Saeris | I want to acknowledge the bridges somehow |
| 10:35.43 | Saeris | but I also want to speak to the mining theme |
| 10:35.44 | JademusSreg | Almost got the reference you need. =D |
| 10:37.51 | Saeris | I'm thinking Artesia Prospect might work |
| 10:37.56 | JademusSreg | Erebus or Ophion. =D |
| 10:38.14 | Saeris | http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Artesia_Prime |
| 10:38.38 | JademusSreg | Both being primordial greek entities,m the former also associated with on of the rivers of the underworld. |
| 10:38.39 | Saeris | the map is heavily terran favored, and this is apprently where spider mines were used extensively |
| 10:38.58 | JademusSreg | Hm, must admit that is compelling. |
| 10:40.24 | JademusSreg | Though Acheron is the only river of Hades with a bridge. |
| 10:41.08 | Saeris | gonna look into norse gods |
| 10:41.10 | Saeris | 1 sec |
| 10:41.12 | JademusSreg | But I concede, lore trumps a contrived mythology reference. |
| 10:41.21 | Saeris | yea, I'm thinking that too |
| 10:44.30 | Saeris | yea I'll go with that |
| 10:46.43 | JademusSreg | Otixa, let me know when you'd be keen to start prototyping some models, and I'll start compiling visual references. No rush; I don't yet have the code to support it. |
| 10:47.10 | Saeris | I also like that name because since Artesia Prime was a battleground between the combine and confederacy, it would make sense for there to be a lot of terran ruins and leftover radioactive fallout, as well as a large mining operation |
| 10:47.11 | Otixa | Yeh, gimmie a couple of weeks to recuperate |
| 10:47.25 | Otixa | Got a cold now for bonus points |
| 10:47.26 | Otixa | + fever |
| 10:47.27 | Otixa | ;P |
| 10:47.42 | Otixa | And a bunch of very horny females waiting for me back home |
| 10:47.42 | JademusSreg | Understood. Just got over mine. |
| 10:47.58 | JademusSreg | Saer, -and- the name is lovely and badass. |
| 10:48.51 | JademusSreg | bbl, drive back |
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| 11:58.33 | DeadZergling | back laterish, always good to actually sleep a few hours before work |
| 12:00.03 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 12:07.10 | Zolden | lol, a little girl lost her big helium dolphin and it flew away to the skies, and it scared me, I thought: ftw is that! |
| 12:08.09 | JademusSreg | Aaaagggghhhwwwdorable. |
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| 13:07.04 | Saeris | alright |
| 13:07.11 | Saeris | entry submitted and reddit thread posted |
| 13:07.12 | Saeris | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1e2d99/2_artesia_prospect_tlmc2_entry_published_to_all/ |
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| 13:10.12 | JademusSreg | Click. |
| 13:11.15 | JademusSreg | Are there people who oppose watch towers? =\ |
| 13:11.32 | Saeris | yes, a lot of pros and casters |
| 13:11.54 | Saeris | I spoken with quite a few people about map mechanics |
| 13:12.05 | JademusSreg | I'd enjoy reading a decent article on the matter. |
| 13:12.17 | Saeris | no one wants watch towers cuz they make people too lazy at scouting |
| 13:12.45 | Saeris | and/or it makes scount too easy |
| 13:13.09 | JademusSreg | Clever making them inaccessible by foot. |
| 13:13.50 | Saeris | it's too bad reapers can still path up the cliff, even with LoS blockers there |
| 13:14.04 | Saeris | they can't see if someone else is there though |
| 13:14.06 | JademusSreg | Dynamic pathing blocker. |
| 13:14.26 | JademusSreg | Should be in the pathing layer of the terrain editor. |
| 13:15.36 | JademusSreg | The campaigns use them like fucking tissues at a onion-slicing widow competition. |
| 13:15.59 | Saeris | yea, I'll check it |
| 13:16.17 | Saeris | I want it to be an option, just I didn't want them to be able to do it without vision from a flyer |
| 13:16.43 | Saeris | just going to have to live with it |
| 13:16.52 | JademusSreg | Right, and Tv!T, terrans would have an unfair edge. |
| 13:17.51 | JademusSreg | Oh yes, that reminds me, do creep tumors still interact with watch towers? |
| 13:18.35 | Saeris | don't think so |
| 13:18.54 | JademusSreg | If so, good thing they fixed it. |
| 13:19.10 | JademusSreg | Was a rather cheap tactic. |
| 13:19.46 | JademusSreg | Ah, I see the watch tower position now. |
| 13:20.30 | JademusSreg | If you want to prevent reapers from gaining access, poke holes in the bottom cliff, so to speak. |
| 13:20.36 | Zolden | would be cool to have units interacting with watch towers not be selected by F2 |
| 13:20.56 | Zolden | it would be a cool feature |
| 13:21.11 | Saeris | for sure |
| 13:21.33 | Saeris | i really hate how it picks up those units and observers |
| 13:21.40 | JademusSreg | If the bottom cliff surrounding the tower cliff had small alternating holes, it would be unobtrusive and prevent reapers and colossus from getting up. |
| 13:21.42 | Zolden | at least for workers/lower tier units |
| 13:21.43 | Saeris | I lose so many observers and overseers cuz of F2 |
| 13:22.04 | JademusSreg | *aesthetically unobtrusive |
| 13:22.33 | Saeris | mmm |
| 13:22.38 | Saeris | maybe |
| 13:22.41 | JademusSreg | And if it is a bit too obvious, there are various things that would plug it without looking out of place. |
| 13:22.43 | Saeris | i wanna see how it turns out |
| 13:22.52 | Saeris | before making it inaccessable to cliff walkers |
| 13:23.00 | JademusSreg | Fair enough. |
| 13:23.30 | Saeris | at the pro level, it's still going to be a choice |
| 13:23.44 | Saeris | do you opt out of the tower? or do you drop 50 gas at the start of the game? |
| 13:24.16 | Saeris | the gas cost makes a significant difference to build orders |
| 13:24.50 | JademusSreg | I can see how that would be a meaningful choice early to mid. |
| 13:25.51 | Saeris | zerg really only has 2 options for getting the towers |
| 13:25.53 | JademusSreg | The log fire is a tad out of place, now that I can tell what it is. |
| 13:26.01 | Saeris | either research overlord carry |
| 13:26.08 | Saeris | or toss up an infested terran |
| 13:26.17 | JademusSreg | The latter, definitely. |
| 13:26.38 | Saeris | I wonder how long it would take for Zerg players to figure that trick out |
| 13:26.41 | JademusSreg | I forget, does Abduct target friendlies? |
| 13:26.45 | Saeris | at the pro level |
| 13:26.49 | Saeris | yes it does |
| 13:26.51 | Saeris | so that too |
| 13:26.53 | JademusSreg | 3 options |
| 13:26.55 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 13:26.57 | Saeris | almost forgot about it |
| 13:27.06 | Saeris | hmmm |
| 13:27.16 | Saeris | protoss can technically warp in there I think |
| 13:27.20 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 13:27.30 | Saeris | you can build a pylon on the high ground around the tower |
| 13:27.41 | Saeris | or at the top of the ramp adjacent to it i think |
| 13:27.54 | Saeris | that or just use warp prism |
| 13:28.35 | JademusSreg | Warp Umbrella or Pylon, yeah |
| 13:29.27 | JademusSreg | Terrans have Reaper, Viking*(cheating), MULE. |
| 13:29.56 | JademusSreg | 3 for each. |
| 13:29.59 | Saeris | and medivac |
| 13:30.54 | JademusSreg | I'd count Medivac and Viking similarly in this case, given the tech and mobility, amounts to nearly the same effect with regards to the tower. |
| 13:31.29 | JademusSreg | Either way it's using air to get ground in there, save for Zerg sacs and Warp Umbrella. |
| 13:32.01 | JademusSreg | So yeah, coincidentally fairly well balanced, not that we're calculating investment here. |
| 13:32.21 | JademusSreg | Oh, Mothership Core. |
| 13:32.26 | JademusSreg | Recall to itself? |
| 13:32.41 | Saeris | hmmm, maybe |
| 13:32.53 | JademusSreg | Well, still sort of air, but I'm not familiar with its tech. |
| 13:33.57 | JademusSreg | I see some cliffs that would benefit from the nice bulgy, sharp profile rocks in HotS. |
| 13:38.24 | Saeris | yet again pathing rears its ugly head |
| 13:38.42 | Saeris | this is when I whip out the pathing brush and paint ALL the pathing |
| 13:38.52 | JademusSreg | Few more minor things. Large number of spot light sources. Lower graphic settings won't have the opportunity to enjoy them, would suggest using using fewer, scaled larger and/or mix of omni light sources. Hell, most casts won't even show them sadly. |
| 13:39.21 | Saeris | i have a ton of omnis as well, but I need less lights overall, brings framerates down |
| 13:39.27 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 13:39.36 | Saeris | tbh, I'm not actually concerned about low-settings =/ |
| 13:40.04 | JademusSreg | As an alternative to omni lights of the same type, I'd also suggest using the light region tool, if you haven't already. |
| 13:40.23 | Saeris | that has a nasty side effect to it |
| 13:40.29 | Saeris | it's height independent |
| 13:40.39 | Saeris | so flyers get lit differently as well |
| 13:40.39 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 13:40.41 | Saeris | it looks weird |
| 13:40.46 | JademusSreg | Understood. |
| 13:41.07 | Saeris | yea, at one point i wanted to make an "inside-outside" map |
| 13:41.29 | Saeris | where you have parts that are "inside" a structure, and others that are "outside" |
| 13:41.30 | JademusSreg | If possible, another way one could consolidate omni sources is to make a very large one and position it accordingly. |
| 13:42.08 | JademusSreg | Sounds neat. Reminds me of numerous game sequences. Would work well with the Korhal Platform backdrop. |
| 13:42.38 | JademusSreg | Though I prefer darker settings, personally. |
| 13:43.17 | JademusSreg | I use "super omnis" and "super spots" for area lighting. |
| 13:43.31 | Saeris | so did I mention to you that I Interned at Blizz last summer? |
| 13:43.56 | JademusSreg | I don't recall. |
| 13:44.25 | Saeris | well I did, was on the SC2 team and I made melee maps |
| 13:44.43 | Saeris | Atlas Station, Sky Harvester, and Vault of Secrets are all my designs |
| 13:45.04 | JademusSreg | Nicely done. |
| 13:45.24 | Saeris | but anyways, I bring it up because it's interesting to note that I tried doing a number of Night maps |
| 13:45.30 | Saeris | Blizz doesn't like night maps |
| 13:45.35 | Saeris | =/ |
| 13:45.42 | JademusSreg | That is apparent. |
| 13:45.50 | JademusSreg | And so few Shakuras maps, too. |
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| 13:46.55 | JademusSreg | Mostly because it complicates the lighting; people on garbage machines will get one render pass for lighting and, oops, the base diffuse is 8,16,32 and now the garbage player can't see shit. |
| 13:47.12 | Saeris | yea |
| 13:47.40 | Saeris | the engine has a number of weird things about it |
| 13:48.09 | Saeris | like, I asked their lead tech artist about the texture limitations and the map dimension restrictions |
| 13:48.11 | JademusSreg | Even so, you chose a good combination of dark textures and soft light to make it appear darker than it is. |
| 13:48.55 | Saeris | to get more textures, that'd increase the memory footprint significantly, something to do with the layering system |
| 13:49.01 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 13:49.11 | Saeris | but a side affect would be that the next step up would be 12 textures up from 8 |
| 13:49.24 | JademusSreg | I crunched the numbers once for both textures and dimensions, and it's exponential increases. |
| 13:49.34 | Saeris | yea |
| 13:50.00 | JademusSreg | Though I did find an amusing hacky workaround to the texture limit. |
| 13:50.01 | Saeris | and yes, for deimnsions, it's impossibly for them at this point to go above 256x256 |
| 13:50.08 | Saeris | as the entire pathing engine works on that number |
| 13:50.13 | Ahli | blizz seriously needs to add a newest mode for mod dependencies |
| 13:50.22 | Saeris | and I think maybe the lighting engine too |
| 13:51.39 | JademusSreg | "Road" Hard Tiles take a material; if you give them a cliff material whose cube model has a terrain texture atop it, it will apply the terrain texture for the hardtile. |
| 13:52.24 | Saeris | so funny thing about those road hard tiles |
| 13:52.37 | Saeris | they had to change them due to a huge bug I found wit them, lol |
| 13:52.54 | Saeris | it used to be that if you had a light source like those floodlights shining down on them |
| 13:53.17 | Saeris | the lit area would turn clear, revealing the terrain texture underneath |
| 13:53.30 | JademusSreg | Experimented with various materials; it doesn't like height/distortion and will violently exit the editor/game if the hardtile attempts to render. |
| 13:53.35 | Saeris | now I think they are baked into the terrain textures and load time |
| 13:53.38 | JademusSreg | Haha, fun. |
| 13:54.17 | Saeris | they also don't have any sort of Z-Index property, which pissed me off to no end |
| 13:54.39 | JademusSreg | Hm, don't think they are baked into the terrain texture; alpha'd materials would show the terrain textures beneath the hardtiles. |
| 13:54.45 | Saeris | so if you have them overlapping, there's no telling in what order they will render |
| 13:54.54 | JademusSreg | Yes, that is annoying. |
| 13:55.17 | Saeris | mmmm, it's something like that, I asked about that when I talked to me contact at GDC |
| 13:55.38 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 13:55.47 | Saeris | i only understand about 70% of his jargon |
| 13:56.54 | JademusSreg | (Baked to mesh is likely.) |
| 13:58.22 | Saeris | probably |
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| 14:04.34 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 14:07.10 | Saeris | so someone, I don't remember who, told me that I should use painted pathing at little as possible |
| 14:07.15 | Saeris | but from what I can tell |
| 14:07.31 | Saeris | painting pathing can significantly simply the pathing mesh |
| 14:07.38 | Saeris | wouldn't that increase performance? |
| 14:08.23 | JademusSreg | One would assume. Perhaps the person giving the advice assumes an inefficient use. |
| 14:09.51 | JademusSreg | Easy for an inexperienced user to paint little tris all over the damn place. |
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| 14:55.33 | Dustin | I use painted pathing all the time |
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| 16:25.18 | ClayMuffin | Can anybody lend me a hand with a simple trigger for 5 minutes? |
| 16:25.35 | ClayMuffin | It's not writen yet, I just don't know how to properlly do it |
| 16:26.22 | ClayMuffin | How can you do a periodic unit amount check around another unit? |
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| 16:27.13 | ClayMuffin | Like how many marine are present in a range of 6 of supply depot? (check every 1 sec) |
| 16:27.38 | ClayMuffin | Entering/leaving region seem like a workaround |
| 16:31.59 | ClayMuffin | Anybody can shed light upon my dumbness? |
| 16:32.06 | ClayMuffin | I'm sure it§ pretty simple |
| 16:32.40 | ClayMuffin | I like to mindlessly stare at the obvious :) |
| 16:34.13 | Zolden | шеэы уфын |
| 16:34.14 | Deaod | theres probably a way to do this in data that i dont know about, but in triggers you can probably use a periodic timer event |
| 16:34.17 | Zolden | it's easy |
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| 16:34.47 | Zolden | there is a function which returns a number of units with a filter |
| 16:35.17 | Zolden | as a region you define a circle of radius 6 around a position of the depot |
| 16:46.00 | Dustin | Anyone got any good ideas for making a unit able to path over Buildings when blocking? So far all I have is a Catalog Set for changing it's collide flags |
| 16:50.05 | Zolden | црн сфефдщп, нщг сфт гыу ф иурфмшщк цшер вшыфидув зферштп, |
| 16:50.05 | Zolden | crap |
| 16:50.15 | Zolden | why catalog, you can use a behavior with disabled pathing |
| 16:50.31 | Zolden | and the building can apply that beahvior |
| 16:50.56 | Zolden | or unit can do it with "building around" validator |
| 16:52.26 | Zolden | no, easier: behavior is always on unit, but has disable validator of no buildings of that type around |
| 16:52.29 | Zolden | yea |
| 16:52.33 | Dustin | Fml I can do Colide flags witha behavior cant i |
| 16:52.47 | Zolden | yes, you can |
| 16:52.55 | Zolden | no collision flag |
| 16:53.22 | Dustin | Well that should work, let's hope they dont try to run around the side again even with no pathing |
| 16:53.29 | Ahli | http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/ESL_TV |
| 16:54.31 | Zolden | Ahli: they astarted another event? |
| 16:54.40 | Zolden | who's playing? |
| 16:55.08 | Ahli | huh= |
| 16:55.11 | Zolden | wtf is going on, look like oldgame of a broodwar fight |
| 16:55.50 | Zolden | will fatty play? |
| 16:55.56 | Zolden | sure he will after that 1st place |
| 16:56.57 | Zolden | wtf are they doing? |
| 16:56.59 | Zolden | is it a draw? |
| 16:58.16 | Zolden | no minerals left? |
| 16:58.35 | Zolden | is 1:13 - game length? |
| 17:00.57 | Ahli | there are minerals on the map in the zerg 3rd and natural |
| 17:01.10 | Ahli | gas is mined out |
| 17:03.17 | Zolden | Ahli: is it real time game or a record? |
| 17:06.14 | Zolden | gay |
| 17:07.03 | Ahli | live match |
| 17:07.13 | Ahli | played in cologne right now I believe |
| 17:07.19 | Dustin | Muahaha got it working |
| 17:08.20 | ClayMuffin | back |
| 17:08.20 | Ahli | nearly 90 minutes game time |
| 17:09.15 | Dustin | I couldn't find Collide in the behavior modification Zolden |
| 17:11.27 | Zolden | Dustin: now you found it? |
| 17:11.43 | Dustin | Negative |
| 17:12.01 | Zolden | 2 years ago I used catalog fo no collision too ;/ |
| 17:12.25 | Zolden | i don't remember, maybe modification->behavior->no collision |
| 17:12.35 | Zolden | it's there 100% |
| 17:12.50 | Zolden | but if i were stoned, i'd have some problems with finding it oo |
| 17:14.28 | Dustin | I did wake n bake this morning |
| 17:14.36 | Dustin | but I cant find this fucker |
| 17:14.37 | Zolden | :)) |
| 17:16.38 | Ahli | 1:38:46 or something |
| 17:16.41 | Zolden | fuckers |
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| 17:18.22 | Zolden | Dustin: it's "suppress collision" |
| 17:18.35 | Zolden | under behavior tab |
| 17:18.51 | Zolden | under state flags |
| 17:19.07 | Dustin | omg it's a state lol |
| 17:19.13 | Dustin | I was looking for the Collide array |
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| 17:20.16 | CryptRat | I'm having trouble with my splat actor. |
| 17:21.01 | CryptRat | I have everyone other than self filtered out, but I can still see the actor on other players' units. |
| 17:21.40 | CryptRat | And I see it through fog of war even though I have it set to hidden (on top of the fact that I shouldn't be seeing it for those players units to begin with). |
| 17:22.06 | CryptRat | Are splats not intended to be used outside of cursor indicators? |
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| 17:34.46 | Zolden | sstrange: on us desert strike is featured (!) with logo of warships (!) |
| 17:36.24 | Blizz-Tenarsis | haha weird |
| 17:36.34 | Ahli | KR has it correct |
| 17:37.04 | Zolden | Blizz-Tenarsis: hey, may I speak with Artestru pls? I've got a weird bug for him |
| 17:38.37 | Ahli | morning Blizz-Tenarsis, I found 2 missing team color updates: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/8796450062 one is in 2 player colored images and the other one is the playerframe. btw, I got teamcolored images working and put a snippet in NA ui and mapster forum |
| 17:58.06 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Zolden: he is not here |
| 17:58.13 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Ahli: your bug may have just been fixed this morning |
| 18:04.53 | Ahli | cool |
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| 18:08.23 | Ahli | updating all gameheart maps took ryan only 2.5 hours today |
| 18:09.56 | Blizz-Tenarsis | we have implemented some things to speed that up |
| 18:10.08 | Blizz-Tenarsis | TBA |
| 18:10.16 | Ahli | well, the best would be a newest option for dependencies |
| 18:10.48 | Ahli | but changing the region in the publish window saves a few clicks. :) |
| 18:11.14 | Blizz-Tenarsis | we are doing that, but it can only be used if you are the one who published the mod |
| 18:12.14 | Blizz-Tenarsis | there is a lot of concern around people using it and then having their maps broken by someone else uploading a new version of a mod |
| 18:13.39 | Ahli | hmm, indeed, that would be a problem, but that's a problem with the person that manages a mod. You can always enforce your map to use version X to make it not break |
| 18:14.37 | Ahli | but if that comes for your own mods, that is fantastic already |
| 18:15.17 | Ahli | that would mean that ryan only needs to publish 4 times the mod and gameheart is updated instead of 84 files |
| 18:15.21 | Blizz-Tenarsis | there is also a new magical multi-region-publish thingy |
| 18:15.50 | Ahli | 1 window where you can set the dependency link for every region and the map name? |
| 18:16.09 | Blizz-Tenarsis | hmm i dont know about that |
| 18:16.53 | Blizz-Tenarsis | it may assume you publish the exact same thing to each region |
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| 18:17.30 | Ahli | =/ you are unable to clear/transfer map names between players, so this can be a problem for existing maps |
| 18:17.47 | Ahli | for example, I would still have to do the renaming for NA like I have to do right now |
| 18:18.41 | Blizz-Tenarsis | well you can specify a different name for each locale in a map already |
| 18:18.55 | Blizz-Tenarsis | but i guess maybe you need different names for the same locale in this case? |
| 18:19.01 | Ahli | yes |
| 18:19.13 | Ahli | I edit in enUS for 1.5 years now I think |
| 18:22.53 | Ahli | anyway, back to my interface |
| 18:29.23 | Renee | Hi,Tenarsis, I inserted UnitTargetFrame into each group-icon(the ones in the console panel), just don't know what to do next to point them to their parent's corresponding units, just like I asked here :( http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/8769577800#8 |
| 18:31.44 | ThunderLord | if u have an action definiton that returns a value... is there a way to actually use the returned value in a trigger? or do i have to make it as a function? |
| 18:33.07 | Ahli | Renee, I hope you will be successful, that's something I want to add, too. :D damned, I didn't test if a hero can now target itself via targeting its hero icon in the UI |
| 18:33.39 | ThunderLord | pretty sure it can |
| 18:36.23 | Ahli | I couldn't do that some time ago in my map. I need to check it again... I should play some matches again... I've no idea what the 300+ lines of patchnotes did to the balance, so I might test it later. |
| 18:36.52 | ThunderLord | yeah u can... if you are using the thing that the HOTS campaign does... the default Hero ui cannot be used that way |
| 18:37.48 | ThunderLord | the HOTS one is dialog based... so i guess its not part of the default UI |
| 18:38.06 | Ahli | ah ok |
| 18:38.22 | Ahli | it might detect that you go into targetting mode with a spell and then detect a click on the buttons |
| 18:38.39 | Ahli | so, that's why the new event was added ^^ |
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| 18:41.41 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Renee: you may be able to just target on the GroupUnitButtons directly if you use the UISetCommandAllowed trigger to allow the InfoPanel |
| 18:43.51 | Ahli | Wouldn't it be helpful, if the ingame UI editor states the xml property name in the tooltip? A few names don't fit the list panel and sometimes the displayed name and the ID is different (for example VersusPlayerModeSide). that would solve all problems that the too long field names have... |
| 18:44.08 | Blizz-Tenarsis | it would be helpful if the ingame UI editor was finished :P |
| 18:44.09 | Ahli | *id is not different |
| 18:44.21 | Ahli | well, it's nearly good enough for me :D |
| 18:44.34 | Blizz-Tenarsis | well that's why we decided to release it unfinished :) |
| 18:45.15 | Ahli | in hots beta it was too easy to screw your whole UI and break the UI completly. (I moved the gameUI around I believe, I couldn't move it back because I was trapped somewhere I think). ^^ |
| 18:45.21 | Blizz-Tenarsis | its incomplete state is one of my biggest failures but i swear ill finish it one day |
| 18:45.36 | Blizz-Tenarsis | just not today :) |
| 18:45.53 | Renee | WoW, I don't know you can do it with UISetCommandAllowed. Just tested it and it works like magic :) Thanks! |
| 18:46.09 | Ahli | :o |
| 18:46.29 | Ahli | ok, I remember that queens used to be able to transfuse on command card in wol beta :D |
| 18:46.35 | Blizz-Tenarsis | we disable it by default for multiplayer balance reasons |
| 18:46.41 | Blizz-Tenarsis | glad it worked out for you |
| 18:48.56 | Ahli | uhm, maybe it's a bug... you can't disable the command to unload units with triggers for a player. Maybe it's just not covered because it's close to the target ability targeted on the group panel, but it's a problem we had to solve in gameheart with an invisible frame above the buttons in gameheart for cargo like medivacs/bunkers... |
| 18:49.37 | Ahli | and that targeting had to be disabled while unloading had to stay possible |
| 18:50.33 | Ahli | same as /dance /cheer and click responses on critters :D |
| 18:51.19 | Blizz-Tenarsis | whaaat, does gameheart share control with observers or something? |
| 18:51.22 | Ahli | apart from that you can completely share control with another player and make him able to actually do nothing in the game. |
| 18:51.25 | Ahli | yes |
| 18:51.29 | Ahli | else you don't see the queue |
| 18:51.40 | Ahli | or the rally points |
| 18:51.44 | Renee | Hmmm just make me wandering... I remembered that in wol beta, when a unit spawned from building, it would attak-move to the rally point rather than just move to.. can this feature be toggled on with some trigger/data too? |
| 18:52.47 | Ahli | at least it should do that. I had to do that in my own observer mod |
| 18:53.27 | Ahli | ryan should have done it the same way as an observer was able to unload a marine from a medivac during a cast :D |
| 18:55.05 | Renee | hmmm I believe there some way to display the queue without share control. With a buff |
| 18:56.48 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Renee: e_unitFlagAcquireRally |
| 18:56.48 | Zolden | Renee can we move a cutscene played in a dialog relatively to player's camera? |
| 18:57.46 | Zolden | I mean cutscene itself, not its dialog |
| 18:59.33 | Renee | Ah yes, I know the swam hosts' ling used this flag, just didn't remember their behavior are just the same as the rally point in wol beta. Thanks |
| 19:00.36 | Renee | Zolden, I didn't quite understand you question... A you just want to make a cutscene be played on UI layer? |
| 19:01.37 | Ahli | and then he wants to attach it to a unit :D |
| 19:02.21 | Zolden | Renee: I have a cutscene played in a dialog, it's fine. But the position of cutscene in the game world is attachet to the player's camera. It is seen if the cutscene has a camera which translates its picture to RTT texture, so we see it's always near players camera. Nad I dream of a way to move cutscene so the camera watch other stuff |
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| 19:03.42 | Zolden | Ahli: well, attach to a unit was only an attempt to move the cutscene. Actually I want to simply make the cutscene camera watch any part of the map |
| 19:04.17 | Ahli | ah yeah, what you successfully did with a unit |
| 19:05.06 | Zolden | unit affected dialog, but not cutscene, so cuscene camera is still deadly attached to players camera |
| 19:05.09 | Ahli | then you can do camera in camera... mlg technology coming into the client itself :> |
| 19:05.27 | Ahli | huh? |
| 19:06.30 | Zolden | well, if you curious, you can try it, i explained it in this post: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/49403-cse-render-to-texture-includes-trigger-version/?post=68 |
| 19:06.42 | Zolden | and there is the map to dl |
| 19:07.24 | Dustin | Anyone used the Damage Response on behviors before? |
| 19:07.36 | DeadZergling | yes |
| 19:07.49 | Ahli | yes |
| 19:07.56 | DeadZergling | well that was an easy question |
| 19:07.57 | Dustin | How would one use it to respond with 1 damage every time the Unit that has the behavior is attacked |
| 19:08.00 | Ahli | I already misunderstood its old tootlips :D |
| 19:08.19 | DeadZergling | add a 1 damage effect response? |
| 19:08.19 | Ahli | they changed them because I was able to misunderstand them |
| 19:08.34 | Ahli | ^ |
| 19:08.48 | Dustin | I dont know where to add an effect that will trigger on the response I guess |
| 19:08.56 | Renee | Hmmm still didn't fully understand... So you use RTT to render a cutscene in game world to player's camera? But what is that dialog do? |
| 19:09.23 | DeadZergling | forget the exact name myself off the top of my head, give you a hint though, it is an effect field in the damage response :P |
| 19:09.27 | Renee | Ok, I will download that map |
| 19:09.29 | DeadZergling | let me see wiki can remind me, lol |
| 19:09.38 | Ahli | chance to 1, add effect, set location to attacker, put a damage effect that damages the target for 1 into the damage handled effect |
| 19:09.58 | Ahli | *cross out "add effect" |
| 19:10.17 | DeadZergling | Combat - Damage Response - Handled |
| 19:10.21 | Dustin | Gotcha |
| 19:10.23 | DeadZergling | look for a field like that |
| 19:10.25 | Dustin | Was jsut reading that one |
| 19:10.35 | Dustin | And that will use the Location setting |
| 19:11.26 | DeadZergling | believe I'm using something like that to handle ripostes |
| 19:11.45 | Ahli | location defines what the target is for that effect |
| 19:12.03 | Ahli | if attacker, target is the attacking unit, else the defending unit targets itself with the effect |
| 19:12.43 | Renee | There are many useful track on that 'Damage Response' things:) You can realize any damage formula you want when you combine it with triggers. I did the WC3 armor system in my Mod with this. |
| 19:13.42 | Renee | *trick |
| 19:13.58 | Triceron | just curious, why are you using the WC3 style armor system? |
| 19:14.23 | Ahli | I'm detecting the attack effects for attacks in my diablo map where I trigger the calculated damage then. |
| 19:14.34 | Renee | Well, Because the Mod I doing is the WC3 Mod? |
| 19:15.05 | Ahli | how do you know which weapon the attacker used, if he has multiple? |
| 19:15.05 | DeadZergling | seems like a decent reason to use it, lol |
| 19:15.18 | Dustin | Awesome |
| 19:15.32 | Dustin | Yeah I always wanted to use it but I didnt understand how they had it setup |
| 19:15.41 | Ahli | or can damage response directly start an event that has the damage info? |
| 19:15.56 | Renee | Yes. |
| 19:16.14 | DeadZergling | well for me, whenever my knight levels up, gets a strength increase, or changes weapons |
| 19:16.17 | Renee | Basicly I stored the attack type info in the damage effect |
| 19:16.21 | Triceron | oh, A new Dawn? |
| 19:16.32 | DeadZergling | my triggers calculate what his riposte damage will be, and set the riposte damage effect to that |
| 19:16.56 | Renee | Not 'A New Dawn', my mod doesn't have a name yet |
| 19:17.17 | Triceron | ahh, okay |
| 19:17.22 | BloodDragon | how to hide 'current harvesters count" text? |
| 19:17.46 | Triceron | just a heads up, I'm about to release some new models within a week's time |
| 19:17.55 | Triceron | well... technically not 'new' :P |
| 19:17.57 | Renee | You can turn it off in the townhalls' actor. |
| 19:18.02 | Ahli | so do you detect the damage effect usage and block the damage with damage response completely? |
| 19:18.36 | Triceron | probably the footman, grunt, skeleton, rifleman and trolls first |
| 19:18.39 | Ahli | or override player option in triggers |
| 19:19.18 | Renee | @Ahli: Yep, and thanks to Patch 1.5 you can detect how much damage has been 'absorbed' by the behavior |
| 19:19.46 | Ahli | yeah, I improved my damage tracking system with that already :D |
| 19:20.47 | Ahli | only tracks damage for experience distribution at unit's death, though... I want to make a damage log for heroes someday, too. |
| 19:22.00 | Ahli | then you would be able to see how much damage you received from spells, etc, after you die... similar to LoL or dota |
| 19:22.24 | Ahli | I think dogmai did something like that already |
| 19:22.45 | DeadZergling | yea he did |
| 19:22.52 | Ahli | but I would need to connect damage effects with ability names then =/ |
| 19:23.02 | Ahli | well, better button names ;D |
| 19:25.18 | Renee | If you used proper pattern to set the id of the abil and it's final damage effect, it wouldn't be a hard work. Abil: Psi, Effect:PsiDamage ect. |
| 19:26.27 | Ahli | oh god 237 damage effects already in that map |
| 19:26.50 | Renee | :( |
| 19:29.29 | Ahli | no, it's not fully consistent... =/ |
| 19:29.43 | Renee | Zolden, I watched you map. Do you want to make the zergling RTT always pined to a fixed position of the UI layer? |
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| 19:32.33 | DeadZergling | does Ahli get to rename everything? |
| 19:33.24 | Ahli | I don't want ot rename everything =/ |
| 19:34.36 | DeadZergling | funny how you get to redo entire systems just because you want to add one extra thing |
| 19:34.42 | DeadZergling | happens to me rather often.. |
| 19:35.19 | Renee | It would be great if we can get the linked object with triggers some day. I think blizz once said they will do it. |
| 19:35.26 | Ahli | well, I assume I will hardcode links to every damage effect to an ability entry I guess |
| 19:36.43 | Ahli | well, finding out how to create additive buffs for speeds was work enough for me for the near future on that map |
| 19:37.47 | Ahli | had to fix all buffs, add attributes to every unit, had to fix all tooltips for buffs, button, learn button and hero selection lobby's ability description text :X |
| 19:38.09 | Ahli | but I figured out that additive buffs are possible with attributes :) |
| 19:38.38 | Ahli | so 50% attack speed buff and 33% attack speed buff result in 183% attack speed |
| 19:38.54 | Ahli | rather than 199.5% attack speed |
| 19:40.04 | Ahli | but I don't know how it behaves if you mix all those things |
| 19:40.11 | Renee | what? How did you do that? |
| 19:40.24 | Ahli | Attribute behavior |
| 19:40.29 | Renee | hmmmm |
| 19:40.56 | Ahli | create attribute behavior, set min count to -1k, set max amount to 1k, use 0.01 for multiplier |
| 19:41.08 | Ahli | so 1 attribute == 1% |
| 19:41.14 | Ahli | change resolution of it as you wish |
| 19:41.29 | Ahli | then add buffs that give attribute points |
| 19:41.34 | Kueken | Ahli: so you use attributes only because of the negative? |
| 19:41.57 | Ahli | I use attributes to have stacks for the multiplier because that is not multiplying with itself |
| 19:42.14 | Ahli | I think I just answered myself about how it will behave with other buff multipliers |
| 19:42.15 | Renee | that's a really good idead |
| 19:42.44 | Ahli | it was my last attempt... I tried like 2-3 solutions in my head before and noted down why they wouldn't work without problems |
| 19:42.58 | Ahli | unit needs to have the attribute behavior as a unit behavior |
| 19:43.08 | Ahli | so add your attributes to every unit that can move/attack |
| 19:43.23 | Ahli | also, enable hide flag in attributes, to hide them. Else they will make your unit use hero UI |
| 19:43.38 | Blizz-Tenarsis | btw, we are actually adding a lot more support for war3 like systems... |
| 19:43.38 | Ahli | that hero panel in the middle |
| 19:43.58 | Triceron | oooh that's good to hear |
| 19:44.11 | Ahli | cool :D |
| 19:44.15 | Triceron | 'soon?' ;) |
| 19:44.22 | Renee | Glad to hear that, many thanks Tenarsis :) |
| 19:44.41 | Ahli | x% chance to deal additonal Y% of damage in damage effect? |
| 19:45.44 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yea |
| 19:45.50 | Renee | cool! |
| 19:45.55 | Ahli | cool, indeed |
| 19:45.57 | Blizz-Tenarsis | something like taht |
| 19:46.02 | Ahli | ohh |
| 19:46.13 | Ahli | that killed the hype for me |
| 19:46.41 | Blizz-Tenarsis | well thats not all :P |
| 19:47.01 | Renee | Speak of which, I found that in Hots, the Text actor would automaticly get the refund resource amount if you use unit refund as actor event |
| 19:47.24 | Ahli | wow, nice |
| 19:48.36 | Renee | But that's seems not work when you use Unit Damaged event. If blizz can add this then doing a damage floating text system can be much more easier. |
| 19:48.56 | Ahli | kueken, also attributes can have sort of negative stacks :) so attributes were the perfect solution to my problem ;D |
| 19:49.34 | Ahli | can raise, can slow, delivers proper value... the xtra work is just adding the 2 attributes to every newly added unit type to the map |
| 19:49.40 | Renee | I still use trigger to capture the damage, and use SetText message to send it to the created Text actor |
| 19:51.34 | Ahli | I think I need to alter the tags in my diablo map to display damage, too... miss miss miss miss miss isn't cool |
| 19:52.52 | Renee | My only problem with attributes is that you can't have 0.x attributes amount. While WC3 heros gain 0.x attributes every level. But that's not a really problem hmmm. |
| 19:53.46 | Ahli | raise it high enough, remove the label fields in the UI, add new ones, hook and write your values after selection |
| 19:54.25 | Renee | yep. |
| 19:54.28 | Dustin | Fucking a, this damage response isnt working |
| 19:54.46 | Renee | have you set the 'Chance' field? |
| 19:54.53 | Dustin | yup to 1 |
| 19:56.22 | Dustin | https://pastee.org/43db4 |
| 19:56.48 | DeadZergling | silly question |
| 19:56.53 | DeadZergling | does the unit hitting have 1 armor or more? |
| 19:57.05 | Dustin | Nope, It hought of that too |
| 19:57.08 | Dustin | I thought* |
| 19:57.18 | Renee | Wait... |
| 19:57.21 | DeadZergling | okay, next question, does unit have said behavior? |
| 19:57.25 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 19:57.26 | Dustin | Yes it does |
| 19:57.27 | Dustin | :D |
| 19:57.46 | Renee | Can you speak again what you want to achieve with this behavior? |
| 19:58.04 | DeadZergling | just checking, I have the amusing habit of working on something for a long while, then forget to add it |
| 19:58.15 | Dustin | Simple Thorns like ability, If an Attacking unit hits my Defender, it will do 1 damage to the attacker |
| 19:58.21 | Zolden | Renee: I want that cutscene to move relatively to the game map |
| 19:58.57 | Renee | Then you did it wrong |
| 19:59.05 | Zolden | Renee: so the camera (part of the cutscene) shot some parts of the game world without a relation to the player camera |
| 19:59.07 | Renee | the location needs to be Defend |
| 19:59.17 | Zolden | Renee: cool, tell me how to do it right |
| 19:59.33 | Dustin | brb real fast |
| 19:59.33 | Zolden | location of what? |
| 19:59.35 | Renee | Eh, I said taht to Dustin... |
| 19:59.40 | DeadZergling | poor Zolden |
| 19:59.41 | Dustin | I did Renee |
| 19:59.43 | DeadZergling | got his hopes up |
| 19:59.50 | Dustin | It's attacker, the xml for my damage response is https://pastee.org/43db4 |
| 19:59.50 | Ahli | dustin, put such a trigger into every map's code and you can debug every effect pretty easily and fast: http://snag.gy/XiE2J.jpg |
| 19:59.51 | Zolden | :)) |
| 20:00.18 | Zolden | oh |
| 20:00.19 | Zolden | ;/ |
| 20:00.25 | Dustin | That's a pretty fucking good idea Ahli, I need to make myself a debugging toolkit |
| 20:00.51 | Ahli | well, my toolkit is that one trigger :D |
| 20:00.57 | Renee | <Location value="Attacker"/> -> <Location value="Defend"/> , and put the behavior on the attacked unit |
| 20:01.08 | Ahli | was it defend? |
| 20:01.14 | Dustin | So it's going to damage the guy who got hit? |
| 20:01.20 | Renee | no |
| 20:01.24 | Dustin | Mine is on attacker |
| 20:01.52 | Renee | It will just make the guy got hit as the caster of the 1 damage |
| 20:02.16 | Dustin | So It's cast location and not Target location |
| 20:02.23 | Renee | yes |
| 20:02.26 | Dustin | That woulda been nice to have been in the tooltip :) |
| 20:02.32 | Zolden | Renee: (ok, I'm here, so if you would like to switch to my case and give me a tip, i'd be glad) |
| 20:02.36 | Dustin | ty renee ima test it, should work though |
| 20:02.40 | Kueken | if the location value is set to attacker, the damage response will be executed from the attacking unit on the target |
| 20:02.58 | Ahli | oh, damned :D then I memorized it wrong |
| 20:03.14 | Zolden | Blizz-Tenarsis: didn't Artestru come? |
| 20:04.13 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Zolden: he is out today |
| 20:04.20 | Zolden | oh, ok |
| 20:04.48 | Renee | Dustion: And you need to modify the damage effect's 'impact location' field if you find that wrong unit get damage. |
| 20:05.51 | Kueken | Dustin: Should your behavior return damage for all attacks done by a specific unit on any target or for all attacks done by any unit on a specific target? |
| 20:06.06 | Dustin | It works perfect now :) |
| 20:06.13 | Kueken | okay :) |
| 20:06.16 | Dustin | Any unit that attacks it gets damage :D |
| 20:06.44 | Dustin | It's a basic Thorns aura for buildings |
| 20:07.12 | Kueken | orc |
| 20:08.33 | Renee | Sorry Zolden. I'm check you post again... You know my english isn't pretty good. So it take time to understand your descripion :( |
| 20:08.56 | DeadZergling | by the way dustin, might want to look at melee/ranged/spell/splash fields in your damage response |
| 20:09.11 | Ahli | also, in case you didn't know it, yet. Units that die within a cargo now throw the unit dies event |
| 20:09.11 | DeadZergling | may not make sense for ranged to take damage :P |
| 20:09.51 | Zolden | Renee: i understand, ask if something isn't clear |
| 20:11.43 | Kueken | Ahli: Can we prevent them from dying now as well? |
| 20:12.06 | Ahli | no idea |
| 20:12.46 | Renee | Well, to be clarify. Location field in damage response is |
| 20:13.14 | Ahli | I only make the dropship invincible and start a trigger that handles the cargo deaths registering teh life of the contained units and their xp distribution. I didn't require the unit within a cargo to survive something... maybe you can move them out then |
| 20:14.10 | Ahli | items are dropped via move unit, so cargo units might exit cargo, too |
| 20:14.48 | Renee | If you set it to Attacker, then the response would happen when the unit ATTACK some other unit. But the damage dealt modif won't work in this case. |
| 20:15.10 | Renee | It would only trigger Damage Response - Handle |
| 20:15.36 | Renee | Else it would be pretty much easier to create Crit behavior |
| 20:15.43 | Ahli | note to self, never touch location in damage response anymore |
| 20:17.33 | Renee | The Crit behavior in GAx3 is actully done with ATTACK location damage response, and apply a 1-charge 'Get double damage' buff to the target with Damage Response - Handle |
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| 20:17.46 | Vindicator | hey ahli, like the value "outer" that's being returned in your debug trigger, what does outer mean? i've never taken the time to figure that out |
| 20:18.08 | Renee | The response charge is 1, so it would double the damage once |
| 20:18.37 | Renee | But it still not a perfect method. So I waiting for the official one. |
| 20:18.55 | Renee | Current I use trigger to do the Crit |
| 20:19.04 | Renee | *Currently |
| 20:20.24 | Ahli | I'm not sure what outer actually is |
| 20:20.51 | Renee | Outer is the 'outer' |
| 20:20.56 | Ahli | maybe other found units within a search effect or something... |
| 20:21.07 | Renee | If you are in the bunker, The bunker is the Outer |
| 20:21.31 | Renee | If you are a Item, then the hero who carried you is the Outer |
| 20:21.46 | Dustin | That makes a lot of since lol |
| 20:21.48 | Ahli | require use case for outer |
| 20:22.04 | Ahli | I have no idea when that could be useful |
| 20:22.23 | Ahli | ahh idea |
| 20:22.46 | Renee | There are many useful place, for example you can check if a item has been carried via raw dada |
| 20:22.50 | Renee | *data |
| 20:23.12 | Renee | If you are not be carried by any unit, then the outer is youself |
| 20:23.17 | Ahli | has been or is carried? |
| 20:23.34 | Renee | *is carried :( |
| 20:23.34 | Ahli | I noticed that in triggers that items carry themselves |
| 20:23.52 | Zolden | Renee: wow, u just solved a great mistery of Outer for me :) |
| 20:24.08 | Ahli | yeah, indeed... thanks for that lesson :) |
| 20:24.12 | Renee | Also you can apply buff to the bunker when you are in it |
| 20:24.21 | Ahli | :o |
| 20:25.23 | Ahli | hmm, do we have more stuff that we have no idea what it's for? |
| 20:26.18 | Ahli | all the flags in a marker are a mystery to me. I think they are options for validators that check markers, except for count |
| 20:27.11 | Ahli | but that might just be nonsense |
| 20:27.22 | Renee | Marker is very helpful things, but they are too complicated that I not sure if I can explain them clearly in english |
| 20:27.35 | Ahli | widow mine uses that |
| 20:27.40 | Renee | I made some tutorial in Chinese though |
| 20:28.11 | Ahli | effects mark units during the effects existance (like launch effect and persistents) and you can check the marker count with a validator |
| 20:28.15 | DeadZergling | lol, try Renee, if it isn't clear we will just say so |
| 20:28.31 | Ahli | that's all I know, but I don't know what the flags do that are in the marker field |
| 20:29.03 | DeadZergling | i know by ID, by caster, by player, but that is about all I know |
| 20:29.10 | Renee | Basicly, maker can create persistented 'Link' between units. |
| 20:29.13 | DeadZergling | I've never had a reason to use anythign other than ID |
| 20:29.15 | Ahli | for example, only 1 widow mine can target 1 unit at a time with autocast. mutalisk glaves never hit a unit twice |
| 20:29.49 | Renee | Will the link persistent until the effect end, of course |
| 20:30.37 | DeadZergling | mutalisks would be very bad units if marker by unit, lol |
| 20:31.00 | DeadZergling | bounce would stop very quickly |
| 20:31.01 | Ahli | what would that result in, DeadZergling? |
| 20:31.19 | DeadZergling | well by unit watches for if that has been used by that unit |
| 20:31.21 | DeadZergling | period |
| 20:31.26 | Renee | Zolden: So you wanto make the RTT view change when the hellion moves? |
| 20:31.31 | DeadZergling | so it hits, bounce bounce |
| 20:31.38 | DeadZergling | then hit, no bounce if only 3 units |
| 20:31.48 | DeadZergling | because that unit now has a marker from that unit |
| 20:32.07 | Ahli | ah, ok... so 1 maker from that unit only... ok |
| 20:32.17 | DeadZergling | right, is a 4th one i forget the name of |
| 20:32.22 | DeadZergling | is like unit type or something |
| 20:32.33 | DeadZergling | that one, if any muta hit, bounce bounce |
| 20:32.38 | DeadZergling | any other muta would be denied bouncing |
| 20:32.44 | DeadZergling | if he hit the same first target |
| 20:32.47 | Dustin | Can you not Add Ammount to a Damage Effect from an Upgrade? |
| 20:33.05 | Ahli | you can? |
| 20:33.16 | DeadZergling | of course you can dustin |
| 20:33.18 | Ahli | look at weapon upgrades for any race |
| 20:33.18 | Dustin | It's not working or something else broke |
| 20:33.25 | DeadZergling | how you think default melee ugprades work |
| 20:33.28 | Ahli | :D |
| 20:33.42 | DeadZergling | and by player, well you get the idea |
| 20:33.43 | Dustin | Yeah im just making sure im not going crazy |
| 20:33.55 | Dustin | Something is broke as fuck though |
| 20:33.56 | DeadZergling | if there were 2 diff units that used teh same type of ability |
| 20:34.00 | Ahli | I'm pretty sure that the players in the tournament didn't complain about zealots always requiring 3 attacks to kill a ling ^^ |
| 20:34.02 | DeadZergling | first one would work, next one blocked |
| 20:34.09 | DeadZergling | Assuming the validator is no markers |
| 20:34.16 | DeadZergling | can be 3 markers, or 20 markers, or whatever |
| 20:34.26 | Zolden | Renee: I want the RTT camera to move relatively to the player camera |
| 20:34.40 | Ahli | ok, and ID is for how long that effect is active |
| 20:34.48 | DeadZergling | right, it is ideal |
| 20:34.51 | DeadZergling | for what most of us want to do |
| 20:34.57 | Ahli | and what's the mismatch flag on the right side? |
| 20:35.05 | Ahli | there are the same ones |
| 20:35.16 | DeadZergling | heh, I forget, maybe renee knows |
| 20:35.23 | Zolden | Renee: I only tried to attach the scene dialog to a unit to try: IF the cutscene camera will move with the dialog. And it DIDN'T. It only moves when player move the game camera. I want RTT camera to move independently |
| 20:35.25 | DeadZergling | I never used that one |
| 20:35.40 | DeadZergling | Renee, explain mismatch will you? :) |
| 20:36.20 | Dustin | Ya this upgrade is not additing damage to my effect |
| 20:36.40 | Dustin | unless |
| 20:36.40 | DeadZergling | is the unit connected to it too? |
| 20:36.51 | Dustin | The damage response effecti s being applied by a different player... |
| 20:36.53 | Ahli | widow mine uses match Link (link is that string you put into every effect in the effect chain that can survive a game frame) and mismatch ID |
| 20:37.40 | Renee | Zolden: hmmm, well. I think I didn't explored that field yet. And I'm not sure if there would be a solution if I did. |
| 20:37.59 | DeadZergling | Hehe, Jade explained to me that Time Variant when used w/ a duration animation play, is simply time to play animation. |
| 20:38.03 | Renee | I will try to figure it out :( |
| 20:38.07 | DeadZergling | I was so pissed to learn that is all it was. |
| 20:38.17 | Dustin | Yeah Renee, Do you know what player it performs the Effect for from Damage Response? |
| 20:38.21 | Zolden | Renee: it's ok, thanks for trying to understand :) |
| 20:39.15 | Renee | The player is alway the caster of the buff |
| 20:39.53 | Renee | Ahli and DeadZergling: I will try to explain some thing. |
| 20:40.08 | Ahli | just got a report that map on bnet is not working because of patch o0 |
| 20:41.08 | Renee | As I see, the Makers are used to establish 'link' between units. |
| 20:42.06 | Renee | But they are nothing if you don't combine 'MakerCount' validator with them |
| 20:42.18 | Ahli | well, it isn't a link because you can't refer to the unit |
| 20:42.33 | Renee | Actuly, you can |
| 20:42.51 | Ahli | search all units, validator with something in marker? |
| 20:43.06 | Renee | It can be a way. |
| 20:43.21 | Ahli | ok, just person who just patched couldn't play maps because they wouldn't load |
| 20:43.29 | Ahli | restarting sc2 fixed it for him |
| 20:43.37 | Ahli | bnet not thaaat broken |
| 20:44.07 | Renee | The really difficulty point of learning Maker is to know how the validator 'count' the Marker |
| 20:45.57 | Renee | The count result isn't always equal to the actual maker stack on the target unit |
| 20:46.11 | Ahli | :o |
| 20:47.11 | Ahli | my connection to korea feels like the connection I had to NA before Blizzard improved it after a test in hots beta |
| 20:47.23 | Ahli | click, wait, char runs where I click, in my map |
| 20:47.42 | Renee | Hmmm, well. You know there are Match and MisMatch field on every marker right? |
| 20:49.53 | Ahli | yes |
| 20:50.07 | Ahli | they are used in the validator then? |
| 20:50.08 | Dustin | Its sending the Damage Response effect from Player 0 |
| 20:50.52 | Renee | Basicly they are the 'rule' to tell the validator how to count them. But here is some thing that can be easily misundersood: The 'rule' isn't on the markers. |
| 20:51.35 | Ahli | so my current knowledge was sort of correct. :D "I think they are options for validators that check markers, except for count" |
| 20:52.59 | Ahli | :X the problem with numpad in the login screen still exists |
| 20:53.12 | Ahli | it sometimes just doesn't accept its input |
| 20:54.40 | Renee | The rule only affect the validator. it will establish a 'pattern' to tell the validator which marker can be take into count. It is important to remember that the markers themself don't have the 'Match' and 'MisMatch' property. |
| 20:55.07 | Dustin | Ugh this is pissing me off |
| 20:58.05 | Renee | Fine... I give up. I find it too hard to explain it in english :( |
| 20:59.55 | Ahli | he means his damage response behavior I think |
| 21:00.01 | Dustin | Yeah |
| 21:00.03 | Ahli | I understood your explanations. :D |
| 21:00.09 | Dustin | Not the marker stuff, I wasnt reading that :P |
| 21:00.21 | Ahli | he is struggling with behaviors ^^ |
| 21:00.23 | Dustin | Im mad cause my damage response effect is being triggered by player 0 |
| 21:00.33 | Dustin | instead of my actuall owner player |
| 21:00.54 | Ahli | who is the owner of the behavior? |
| 21:01.02 | Ahli | how is it added? |
| 21:01.15 | Ahli | unit behavior or added via effect or added via trigger? |
| 21:01.21 | Dustin | Via Search effect from a behavior on another building owned by that player |
| 21:01.36 | Dustin | The initial behavior is added from trigger |
| 21:01.41 | Dustin | oh... I think I might know |
| 21:01.45 | Ahli | what's the caster of the apply behavior effect? |
| 21:02.30 | Dustin | that was my bad, I didnt think of that |
| 21:02.33 | Dustin | Thanks Ahli |
| 21:03.51 | Ahli | I'm always thrown into sc2 brazil when I join NA :S |
| 21:04.51 | Renee | hmm, My 'SC2-2' account disappeared since the global play |
| 21:05.21 | Renee | Before the Global play I brought both enUS and zhTW SC2 into 1 bn account |
| 21:05.28 | Dustin | Woot that fixed it |
| 21:05.36 | Ahli | I wish we could merge group and chat channel |
| 21:05.58 | Ahli | group is always empty because map's channel has the players |
| 21:06.28 | Ahli | thus group is useless, if it's about a map |
| 21:06.50 | Renee | But now I login to the SC2-2 character, I find it just the same as the SC2-1. So they were merged into one. |
| 21:07.42 | A1win_ | would be nice if the "open chat" button of a map could be customized to open a group chat or a channel with a specific name rather than always open the channel with the map's exact name |
| 21:07.45 | Ahli | does the options menu ingame have a golden 2nd border aorund it or was that my map replacing files that the client uses? |
| 21:08.14 | Renee | I had thought to publish map with one character, and test it with another character at the same time. But the merge made it cannot work |
| 21:11.22 | Ahli | I always have to smile when the game tells me that another computer logged into the game throwing me out |
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| 21:14.55 | Ahli | need 1 more in temple siege ahhh |
| 21:15.54 | Renee | actually I used the makers to create arbitrary right in front 'line/rectangle search'. You just need 3 search effect to handle any case |
| 21:16.53 | Ahli | line into a direction == set area to 0 |
| 21:17.14 | Ahli | hmm, can we still set the radius with GUI higher than 360? ;D |
| 21:17.45 | Ahli | :S high settings make my medic portrait have stripes all over her face because I replaced her original texture |
| 21:17.59 | Ahli | for some reason that sometimes bugs out |
| 21:18.17 | Renee | And it just need to search 3 time with this mothod. Much fast than the official method(draw alot of circles) |
| 21:20.02 | Renee | The trick is use 180 degree search, case 180 have a straight side! |
| 21:20.37 | Renee | combin 3 180 search, and you get a rectangle. |
| 21:21.25 | Renee | You just need to count the marker one the units, see if there are any unit have all 3 makers |
| 21:22.00 | Renee | * on the units |
| 21:24.10 | Otixa_ | I CAN DO ANYTHING BETTER THEN YOU |
| 21:24.18 | Otixa_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_iOTBTyupc&feature=youtu.be |
| 21:24.47 | Renee | Well, do you know I can't see youtube? |
| 21:25.00 | Renee | May be I should draw a picture to show how you combine the 3 search effect. But I think is very easy to image |
| 21:25.35 | DeadZergling | hrrrmm, there was a need for a video about that? |
| 21:25.40 | DeadZergling | is common knowledge warriors are trash |
| 21:25.42 | DeadZergling | :P |
| 21:26.02 | Renee | Well, so the video is about wow? |
| 21:26.31 | Renee | I thought Otixa is comment on the editor :( |
| 21:26.52 | Otixa_ | Otixa is a malicious presence of randomness |
| 21:27.59 | DeadZergling | I don't play a warrior in rpgs, can you tell? lol |
| 21:30.04 | Otixa_ | hits DeadZergling with a stick |
| 21:32.16 | DeadZergling | I didn't say I didn't play a tank, lol |
| 21:32.19 | DeadZergling | just not a warrior |
| 21:34.07 | DeadZergling | oh wow, this picture is so bad, http://cheezburger.com/7384156416 |
| 21:37.10 | Renee | It's 5:36 am here. So I think I need to sleep. Due to the timezone issue. It's hard for me to see the blizz guys in this channel |
| 21:37.47 | Renee | Basicly I can only do it in every night of Friday |
| 21:37.51 | DeadZergling | yea, can bother you about the difference between match and mismatch later |
| 21:37.58 | DeadZergling | maybe when Dustin isn't confusing everyone |
| 21:38.19 | Dustin | lol what |
| 21:38.31 | Renee | cy :) |
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| 21:39.39 | DeadZergling | well earlier you got Zolden's hopes up |
| 21:39.44 | CryptRat | Ok. So using a splat might have not been the right way to go. I'm now just using the Splat Model on a normal Model actor which is created with the unit. |
| 21:39.55 | DeadZergling | then later you made Renee think her explanations sucked |
| 21:39.56 | CryptRat | But now it's not animating at all and it opacity isn't respnding. |
| 21:40.02 | DeadZergling | I call that confusing everyone dustin, lol |
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| 21:53.31 | Dustin | Hey it's not my fault people read my messages and think im talking to them :D |
| 21:54.13 | DeadZergling | didn't say it was your fault, it was definitely you though :) |
| 21:54.33 | Dustin | lol touche. |
| 21:55.21 | Dustin | Gonna do a test for my new features and fixes for Hybrid assault, Anyone wanna come with? |
| 21:55.42 | DeadZergling | Work says no |
| 21:55.52 | Dustin | Work is a bitch |
| 21:56.06 | DeadZergling | I would agree, but it doesn't even put out |
| 21:57.10 | DeadZergling | is some planning I should be doing, but I'm not, lol |
| 22:02.21 | Dustin | hehe |
| 22:02.57 | DeadZergling | I loathe making skill trees for my heroes |
| 22:03.09 | DeadZergling | just so long and awful |
| 22:03.54 | Dustin | Im putting off making 9 guns 9 abilities and 16 upgrades and 12 armors |
| 22:04.30 | DeadZergling | that isn't too bad |
| 22:05.26 | DeadZergling | hate hate hate, that is what I have for myself for deciding to draw my own armor/weapon icons |
| 22:05.33 | DeadZergling | makes it so much more horrible |
| 22:06.43 | DeadZergling | could simply stop, but then I'd have to discard the 100 images I already made, and I don't want to do that either |
| 22:06.46 | DeadZergling | hate hate hate.......... |
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| 22:06.57 | DeadZergling | hi Dele |
| 22:06.59 | Blizz-Deletarius | afternoon |
| 22:10.35 | Dustin | Hi dele, how's it going at B town? |
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| 22:10.51 | Ahli | damned, the timer background is resizing because of seconds counter |
| 22:11.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | busy busy busy |
| 22:11.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | ahli, you working in layout files? |
| 22:11.25 | Ahli | yes, sir |
| 22:11.41 | Ahli | transfering gameheart to interfaces |
| 22:11.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | paste the xml in here, I can prob fix it for you :) |
| 22:12.08 | Ahli | well, I want it to resize when the time grows, but I think the problem is the font then |
| 22:12.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | you do? |
| 22:12.36 | Ahli | yes... but atm it's reacting to seconds changes |
| 22:12.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | what's the text alignment? |
| 22:13.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | did the gh guys hit you up to convert it over? |
| 22:13.24 | Ahli | default, atm |
| 22:13.38 | Blizz-Deletarius | try center, middle aligning the text |
| 22:13.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | and have the anchors be: |
| 22:14.21 | Blizz-Deletarius | <Anchor side="Left" relative="$parent" pos="Mid" offset="0"/><Anchor side="Right" relative="$parent" pos="Mid" offset="0"/> |
| 22:16.09 | Ahli | http://snag.gy/imZfo.jpg looks like that before my next text with the mid anchors |
| 22:18.40 | Ahli | hmm, I need to center the style ^^ |
| 22:18.47 | Ahli | that should help |
| 22:19.09 | Ahli | damned, it is :S |
| 22:19.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | :) |
| 22:19.24 | Ahli | so, the label is moved to the right side of the background image now |
| 22:21.03 | Ahli | it looks really annoying when you see that the ":" moves around |
| 22:24.25 | Ahli | damned, now I need to search in the mod to find out which style he used for the timer o0 |
| 22:26.32 | DeadZergling | sure having fun w/ UIs Ahli |
| 22:26.41 | DeadZergling | just makes me want to work on mine right now! |
| 22:26.42 | Ahli | "Dependency data could not be loaded. Continue anyway?"... why doesn't the editor suggest me to log in and load the required mod? |
| 22:27.14 | Ahli | I click yes, then unexpected fatal error |
| 22:28.15 | Ahli | can't open the mod.... -.- |
| 22:29.08 | Ahli | oh wiat |
| 22:29.22 | Ahli | I had the mpq opened |
| 22:31.59 | Ahli | you really need to fix the search in trigger editor... 1, 3, 5, 6, ..., 11... I guess what I want to find is 2 or 4 |
| 22:33.53 | Ahli | oh, of course, it is style "_RyansSuperStyleVerySmallCenter" |
| 22:34.18 | Blizz-Deletarius | hah |
| 22:39.04 | Otixa_ | smacks Blizz-Deletarius |
| 22:39.07 | Otixa_ | Long time ;D |
| 22:39.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | hi sir |
| 22:39.37 | Otixa_ | I gave you guys acknowledgement in my thesis :P |
| 22:41.25 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh? |
| 22:41.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | that was nice of you |
| 22:41.43 | Ahli | hmm, I can see something that cuts off LDR images near the minimap... |
| 22:42.22 | Otixa_ | So what's new? |
| 22:42.24 | Ahli | it cuts out a rectangle out of the image |
| 22:43.34 | Ahli | anyone knows what drsuperevil is talking about? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/49403-cse-render-to-texture-includes-trigger-version/?post=67 |
| 22:43.42 | Ahli | bug in persistent effect |
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| 22:50.15 | Ahli | http://snag.gy/aKh8v.jpg zoom in on the timer... what is happening there? |
| 22:50.35 | Ahli | below the number the image is cut out with an edge |
| 22:51.14 | Blizz-Deletarius | what do you mean? |
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| 22:52.05 | Ahli | you can see the terrain on the right side of the background image, but not on the left side of it |
| 22:52.24 | Ahli | hmmm, hang on |
| 22:52.36 | Ahli | I solve that :D |
| 22:53.34 | Blizz-Deletarius | on the right side but not the left side? I'm confused |
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| 22:55.04 | Ahli | the bottom right side of the timer background (the image in the editor in the foreground of the screen), you can see the background of the game. On its left half, you can't see through as the blackness goes more south. |
| 22:55.27 | Otixa_ | slaps Ahli with a slipper |
| 22:55.41 | Ahli | slaps a large trout around a bit with Otixa_ |
| 22:55.45 | Blizz-Deletarius | http://snag.gy/aKh8v.jpg |
| 22:55.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | are you sure you linked me the right image? |
| 22:55.57 | Ahli | where is mah pedestal of blood? :D |
| 22:56.09 | Otixa_ | fffffuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 22:56.12 | Ahli | yes, where I right clicked |
| 22:56.28 | Ahli | look at the double point of the timer on the left |
| 22:56.36 | Ahli | zoom into your browser with ctrl and mouse wheel |
| 22:56.37 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh |
| 22:56.50 | Blizz-Deletarius | you mean the context menu in the ui editor itself? |
| 22:56.50 | Ahli | left side black, right side... see through |
| 22:56.55 | Ahli | no |
| 22:57.21 | Otixa_ | Call 1-800-HURR-DUR |
| 22:57.55 | Ahli | http://snag.gy/imZfo.jpg look on this again |
| 22:57.57 | Ahli | same thing |
| 22:58.03 | Ahli | but less context |
| 22:58.32 | Ahli | there is creep below the seconds digits |
| 22:58.58 | Ahli | I moved the image upwards and it's the same =/ |
| 22:59.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | so right below the "5" |
| 23:00.02 | Blizz-Deletarius | in 3;05 |
| 23:00.08 | Blizz-Deletarius | how you can see that |
| 23:00.14 | Blizz-Deletarius | and not below the "3" |
| 23:00.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | right? |
| 23:00.25 | Ahli | indeed |
| 23:00.27 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok |
| 23:00.34 | Blizz-Deletarius | I think it's just creep behind the image itself |
| 23:00.40 | Ahli | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.58 | Blizz-Deletarius | try texturetype val="NineSlice" |
| 23:02.09 | Ahli | now it looks like a temple or a mosque |
| 23:02.46 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok |
| 23:02.53 | Ahli | and it's symmetrical |
| 23:02.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok |
| 23:02.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | so |
| 23:03.25 | Blizz-Deletarius | the image itself probably wasn't exported to support 9slice |
| 23:03.32 | Blizz-Deletarius | anyway |
| 23:03.38 | Blizz-Deletarius | normal should be totally fine |
| 23:03.43 | Ahli | indeed |
| 23:03.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | but |
| 23:03.58 | Blizz-Deletarius | move away from the creep behind it |
| 23:04.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | and see if the issue still presents itself |
| 23:04.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | you can also have <Unclipped val="true"/> and see if it fixes it, then adjust the size of the parent frame so that you aren't clipping the image |
| 23:04.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | then remove the unclipped val parameter |
| 23:04.42 | A1win | the other screenshot has no creep there |
| 23:04.49 | Ahli | it's still present when I move it away. |
| 23:04.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok |
| 23:04.56 | Ahli | the problem is that you can see through that spot |
| 23:05.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes |
| 23:05.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | so |
| 23:05.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | the issue is that the frame is clipping |
| 23:05.12 | Blizz-Deletarius | the image |
| 23:05.47 | Ahli | testing unclipped now |
| 23:06.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | I mean that's all that I can discern from a screenshot without getting the interface file itself |
| 23:06.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | and i wouldn't be able to check on that until monday anyway |
| 23:06.27 | Ahli | same problem =/ |
| 23:07.16 | Ahli | it's the code I just posted within the timerpanel |
| 23:08.07 | Ahli | ahh well, I will tinker around and maybe I learn what's causing this |
| 23:08.43 | Ahli | soo, first checking the default background of that |
| 23:09.10 | Ahli | timepanel != missiontimepanel o0 |
| 23:09.41 | A1win | are you sure the image doesn't have alpha mask applied on that spot? |
| 23:10.44 | Ahli | it wouldn't look black in paint.net then |
| 23:11.12 | Blizz-Deletarius | yea |
| 23:11.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | time panel is something altogether different |
| 23:14.35 | Ahli | Assets\Textures\white32.dds works fine =/ |
| 23:14.50 | Ahli | so, it seems it's the image file that is odd |
| 23:19.30 | Otixa_ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10032576/Sigilum/Models/srsbzns.jpg |
| 23:19.32 | Otixa_ | Behold! |
| 23:19.40 | Otixa_ | Serious development business right there |
| 23:25.21 | Zolden | Ahli: where duckies? someone finally had a successfull duck hunt? |
| 23:25.32 | Zolden | Otixa_: ew, it's an ugly penis! |
| 23:25.33 | Ahli | dunno |
| 23:27.36 | Zolden | Ahli: didn't you notice that egod's diablo responds a bit faster to clicks? |
| 23:28.08 | Ahli | it doesn't |
| 23:29.15 | Zolden | hmm, maybe I had bad expectation and why it felt normal |
| 23:29.20 | Zolden | need to try yours again |
| 23:29.42 | Ahli | if you think about projectile delays, I've a cast animation that delays arrows for example pretty much. Just for movement, the time until the unit starts to move should be the same |
| 23:29.52 | Zolden | can you just interbreed your diablos and have a baby diablo |
| 23:30.18 | Zolden | hmm, i'd say movement is faster |
| 23:31.02 | Zolden | bounty mentioned that thing that if you preplace a unit, it responds faster to trigger commands, haven't you ever tried it? |
| 23:31.56 | Ahli | I didn't try that, I could, but I think that this is pretty odd |
| 23:33.03 | Ahli | I could preplace a ton of heroes in the map, use these instead of creating a new unit and then using that unit all the time. wouldn't be a problem |
| 23:33.10 | Ahli | worth a try I guess |
| 23:35.06 | Zolden | yea, he was very assured about it |
| 23:35.30 | Zolden | but i didn't try it yet too |
| 23:36.23 | Ahli | so, 4 players à 8 hero slots = 32 units per class that I have to preplace. |
| 23:37.55 | Zolden | maybe try it first in a test map |
| 23:38.15 | Zolden | but on bnet |
| 23:38.28 | Ahli | why? it's not a problem to preplace untis :D |
| 23:47.51 | Zolden | ok |
| 23:48.07 | Zolden | in my maps new stuff is usually a problem |
| 23:53.45 | DeadZergling | lol, so you have a problem with adding anything new to your maps? |
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| 23:56.22 | Zolden | it's maps' problems, not mine |
| 23:56.38 | Bijan641 | Does anyone know what the default decal is for the marine? I want it to be transparent. There are 3 textures that use the same design: decal_terran_0000_01, decal_terran_0001_01, and decal_terran01_01. In the editor Raynor's Raider's is invisible, but Default, and Default (Terran) still show the same design. I don't know where it's pulling from since apparently I've replaced them all with blanks. |
| 23:56.46 | Bijan641 | sorry for the paragraph |
| 23:57.13 | Bijan641 | I need the default to be transparent because I can't change the decal in the cutscene editor. |
| 23:57.13 | Zolden | omg, the decal guy again |
| 23:57.18 | Bijan641 | sorry :( |
| 23:57.20 | Zolden | i must get out |
| 23:58.47 | DeadZergling | Wouldn't take it so hard, probably ridiculously late where Zolden lives anyways. |
| 23:59.17 | Bijan641 | I know the feeling. I haven't contributed much anyways. I try not to be a leech |
