| 00:03.57 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Alerts - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/alerts/ |
| 00:11.17 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Alerts - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/alerts/ |
| 00:25.27 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 00:36.02 | JademusSreg | New patch. Looks like it's time again to dig through the files. |
| 00:40.39 | Kueken | have funzies |
| 00:41.40 | JademusSreg | I hope to find something interesting. Would be dull if no new content were slipped in surreptitiously. |
| 00:48.29 | Kueken | is off, traveling the world in pursuit of another fancy word brought to him by Jade |
| 00:48.42 | Kueken | aka google |
| 00:48.52 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 00:49.40 | Kueken | I used to be good in deriving the meaning from context or latin references or something, you know? |
| 00:49.55 | Kueken | somehow it doesn't work in your presence |
| 00:52.07 | JademusSreg | Cognates are useful, yes. English bears strong romantic and germanic influences, so cognates are abound. |
| 00:53.07 | Kueken | :p |
| 00:53.36 | Kueken | English Bears are strong romantics indeed |
| 00:55.43 | JademusSreg | In this case, I'd expect the romantic-influenced words give a german-speaker like yourself more trouble than more obvious germanic cognates. |
| 00:57.10 | Kueken | true.dat |
| 00:57.37 | Kueken | way to smash a well-formulated sentence |
| 02:03.49 | Ahli | what's tinting the leaderpanel images in player color? |
| 02:04.02 | Ahli | in Blizzard's launch interface |
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| 02:10.46 | Ahli | morning Dogmai |
| 02:11.00 | Dogmai | morning |
| 02:12.33 | Dogmai | Seeing Tenarsis in here made me smile |
| 02:13.37 | Dogmai | I am looking for some good books to buy and read |
| 02:13.52 | JademusSreg | Fiction or non fiction? |
| 02:14.00 | Dogmai | Non-fiction |
| 02:14.04 | Dogmai | More like knowledge dumps |
| 02:14.24 | Dogmai | A lot of the books I am looking at I already have the knowledge that they advertise of containing |
| 02:14.58 | Dogmai | This looks interesting; http://www.booktopia.com.au/the-mammoth-book-of-lost-symbols-nadia-julien/prod9781780331263.html |
| 02:15.25 | Dogmai | I have a huge book on symbolism already, not sure where I put it though |
| 02:16.13 | JademusSreg | rummages. |
| 02:17.04 | Dogmai | This looks really interesting; Temporal Patterns of Communication in Social Networks |
| 02:17.37 | Dogmai | oh fuck |
| 02:17.46 | Dogmai | I just realised the book costs $185 |
| 02:17.52 | Dogmai | Its not that interesting -_- |
| 02:18.44 | Dogmai | 110 from amazon |
| 02:19.01 | JademusSreg | Trying to recall a non-science non-fiction book I read recently. |
| 02:20.19 | Dogmai | lol |
| 02:20.25 | Dogmai | I like science fiction |
| 02:20.53 | Dogmai | Im not a big fan of fantasy, nor like really super technical science fiction |
| 02:20.56 | Dogmai | Somewhere inbetween |
| 02:20.58 | JademusSreg | I meant that as separate categories, but still applicable. |
| 02:23.08 | Dogmai | Why can't DHs wear a one hander and a 1h xbow? |
| 02:23.19 | Dogmai | you ever tried to shoot a hand crossbow while swinging a sword in front of you? it dun werk |
| 02:23.20 | JademusSreg | Schild's Ladder and Diaspora are two scifi/spec-fic novels I enjoyed. |
| 02:23.33 | Dogmai | The second one sounds familar |
| 02:23.50 | JademusSreg | Greg Egan, AU author. |
| 02:23.59 | JademusSreg | iirc |
| 02:24.10 | Dogmai | Yea, I have the Wiki |
| 02:24.14 | Dogmai | Go us |
| 02:26.43 | Dogmai | That $185 book I just got for free |
| 02:26.47 | Dogmai | Cause its a Thesis and all |
| 02:27.06 | JademusSreg | House of Leaves is an engaging read, if you like a book that's deliberately convoluted in its design. |
| 02:29.08 | JademusSreg | Each chapter's style reflects the content. The labyrinth chapter has footnotes, to say the least. |
| 02:33.14 | Dogmai | The house is bigger on the inside than the outside o_O |
| 02:33.19 | Dogmai | Tardis. |
| 02:33.34 | Dogmai | That looks really interesting |
| 02:36.32 | JademusSreg | Yes, I'll avoid spoiling any content, but it's a good read. |
| 02:42.05 | Dogmai | o_O |
| 02:42.10 | Dogmai | JademusSreg: The Lazy Intellectual: Maximum Knowledge, Minimal Effort |
| 02:42.25 | Dogmai | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.25 | Dogmai | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.27 | Dogmai | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:42.56 | JademusSreg | Seems I've been troped. |
| 02:43.59 | Dogmai | I'm thinking |
| 02:44.02 | Dogmai | Should I buy it for my missus |
| 02:44.09 | Dogmai | And be like here, read this, be like me |
| 02:46.04 | JademusSreg | In my experience, that is not advisable. Better to ask than to tell, as it were. |
| 02:51.04 | Dogmai | -_- |
| 02:51.14 | Dogmai | Not sure if trolling |
| 02:55.01 | JademusSreg | It's more likely I misunderstand. |
| 03:13.16 | Kubi | OR DUMB |
| 03:41.38 | motive|| | omg |
| 03:41.40 | motive|| | this is the best thing ever. |
| 03:41.48 | motive|| | I went on vacation and tainted is still banned |
| 03:41.48 | motive|| | haha |
| 03:43.18 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 03:43.50 | motive|| | Im so tired T_T |
| 03:46.55 | Kueken | he is banned? |
| 03:46.58 | Kueken | again? |
| 03:48.29 | motive|| | I still see his ban in the ban list |
| 03:49.11 | Kueken | what was the reason? |
| 03:49.17 | motive|| | ~seen taintedwisp |
| 03:49.20 | purl | taintedwisp <4bb55b32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.181.91.50> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 6d 2h 10m 27s ago, saying: ' What a coincidence, I have a new proposal for the gov't where we brutally beat and kill all faggots :)'. |
| 03:49.26 | Kueken | tainted being tainted, I assume? |
| 03:49.26 | motive|| | that |
| 03:49.42 | Kueken | hm |
| 03:49.52 | Kueken | sounds like something I could have said |
| 03:53.18 | motive|| | anyone could've really |
| 03:53.20 | motive|| | just a slip of the tongue |
| 03:53.24 | motive|| | these things happen |
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| 04:28.05 | Batomys | cinematic mode is not on during the camera apply |
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| 11:41.26 | JademusSreg | No. Yes. |
| 11:41.36 | JademusSreg | Some people have no patience. |
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| 13:17.49 | Dogmai | JademusSreg |
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| 13:25.38 | eimtr | any1 has an idea why when u play a sound then u want to switch it by playing another - Stop All trigger snds immediately; Play new sound wont work? |
| 13:26.23 | eimtr | these triggers in WoL would make the 2nd sound play and the first stops immediately but now the 2nd plays and the first still continues |
| 13:26.41 | eimtr | is there a new action i gotta use to stop a sound? |
| 13:31.31 | eimtr | ? |
| 13:33.37 | Ahli | just don't stop all trigger sounds |
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| 14:16.14 | Kueken | Shark |
| 14:17.03 | wasatata | Lion |
| 14:24.10 | Ahli | aerodactyl |
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| 15:51.49 | G0A | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9096527/StarCraft_II_Patch_208_Notes-5_7_2013 |
| 16:02.31 | G0A | seems like other than crash fixes, not much done to arcade |
| 16:03.49 | G0A | Terran |
| 16:03.49 | G0A | It is no longer possible for SCVs to be left inside of a vespene geyser after canceling an under-construction Refinery. |
| 16:03.50 | G0A | :( |
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| 16:08.49 | wasatata | ;(( |
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| 17:22.40 | DeadZergling | Hi Zolden, you there? |
| 17:23.42 | Zolden | hey |
| 17:24.03 | DeadZergling | Got a question for you regarding a model/texture you made for me awhile back |
| 17:24.53 | Kueken | hey Zolden, hows your Interceptor coming along? :D |
| 17:25.09 | DeadZergling | Was the legwave if you remember it. Wondering how difficult it would be to cut the circle in half, leaving the half with the wave only |
| 17:27.55 | Zolden | Kueken: published it |
| 17:27.59 | DeadZergling | it looks pretty awesome at normal zoom mode, but the size of it I'm using, the half without the wave looks really out of place. |
| 17:28.04 | Zolden | DeadZergling: i think it will be easier to remake it |
| 17:28.50 | Zolden | Kueken: check assets |
| 17:28.53 | DeadZergling | ah, is this where you surprise me with extra uber modeling skills you learned in the last few months? |
| 17:29.18 | Zolden | DeadZergling: i just don't know where the source could be |
| 17:30.19 | DeadZergling | well I'm assuming the version you sent me is different than what you use when editing |
| 17:32.04 | Zolden | now - yes, art tools can't import models from m3 |
| 17:32.39 | Zolden | also, i'd just remake it in a bit different manner |
| 17:33.19 | DeadZergling | cool, wasn't sure on t hat, I been testing the shit out of my 4th class lately |
| 17:33.30 | DeadZergling | he is currently WAY too powerful, lol |
| 17:34.28 | Kueken | no texture at the bottom? :( |
| 17:35.08 | DeadZergling | I think I PMed you the image last time on mapster didn't I Z? |
| 17:35.12 | Zolden | Kueken: you would like it to have textures at the bottom? |
| 17:35.39 | Zolden | yes, you did, maybe i won't use it |
| 17:36.03 | Kueken | well, right now I don't really have a use for the model, its just something I noticed |
| 17:36.38 | Kueken | I tend to use all kinds of models as attachments, and no texture at the bottom severely hinders models to be used that way |
| 17:36.50 | Kueken | also, an animation without any flames would be nice |
| 17:38.13 | Zolden | well, it's too late to add texture to the bottom, but no flame anim can be added |
| 17:38.54 | Zolden | DeadZergling: do you have this picture withour white background? or you wnat white color to be inside it? |
| 17:39.03 | Kueken | you could add it as .m3a probably |
| 17:40.02 | Zolden | never tried this m3a thing, i'll just add it normal way |
| 17:40.11 | Zolden | maybe i should learn how it work |
| 17:40.19 | DeadZergling | not currently Zolden, I can spend a little time in GIMP editing it if you want |
| 17:40.29 | DeadZergling | you want a black background or alpha? |
| 17:41.08 | Kueken | oh wow |
| 17:41.10 | Zolden | i think it would be cool to have only the colorful part, and other stuff is black alpha |
| 17:41.14 | Kueken | just noticed m3a files are huge |
| 17:41.33 | Kueken | I added a model from the chinese guy |
| 17:41.35 | Zolden | how huge? |
| 17:41.49 | Kueken | which uses like a dozen of .m3a files |
| 17:41.56 | Kueken | the model is about 700 kb |
| 17:42.09 | Kueken | and every single .m3a 200-250 kb |
| 17:42.10 | Zolden | DeadZergling: wait, maybe i know how to do it easily |
| 17:42.34 | Zolden | maybe it's a high qhalify of animations or alot of them |
| 17:42.48 | Kueken | each m3a holds 1 animation |
| 17:43.15 | Zolden | i thought one animation is about 10-50 kb in the middle qualify |
| 17:44.01 | Kueken | maybe if you add it to the model directly |
| 17:44.19 | Kueken | or he does them wrong, checking Blizzards m3a |
| 17:44.29 | DeadZergling | up to you Zolden, I don't mind working with it some |
| 17:44.55 | DeadZergling | i could try to colorize it the way it was last time too, although might take me a little while, lol |
| 17:45.15 | Kueken | ColonistMaleAnim.m3a, 1.7 MB |
| 17:46.05 | Zolden | DeadZergling: yea, it was easy |
| 17:46.31 | Zolden | Kueken: strange... but i have no idea why |
| 17:46.34 | DeadZergling | I'm sure, just been forever since I used gimp, lol |
| 17:46.46 | DeadZergling | so I'm currently making it really hard |
| 17:47.15 | Kueken | hm |
| 17:47.37 | DeadZergling | i'll figure it out though |
| 17:47.42 | Kueken | the swarm animations for most models are like 100-150 kb, and they usually hold a couple of animations |
| 17:48.04 | Kueken | hydralisk swarm anims 56 kb |
| 17:48.32 | Zolden | DeadZergling: so, u want only this colorful think and nothing besides? |
| 17:48.50 | Zolden | *thing |
| 17:49.12 | DeadZergling | well I liked what you did with it before, just the half of the circle without the wave looked really off |
| 17:49.15 | Zolden | Kueken: well, if you curious, ask on forum, some ppl understand m3a's |
| 17:49.54 | Kueken | :) |
| 17:50.07 | Zolden | so, u want 1/2 of a disc filled with the image and some refraction? |
| 17:50.53 | DeadZergling | right, without the tail, PMing the image now, think I got something decent for you |
| 17:51.40 | DeadZergling | Sent, I was lazy and just edited an existing PM to you, lol |
| 17:51.45 | DeadZergling | is the top one with the other wave |
| 17:52.14 | DeadZergling | is all alpha besides the wave |
| 17:52.45 | DeadZergling | feel free to alter it if I didn't make it bright enough or it is just terribad, lol |
| 17:53.54 | Zolden | it's still jpg, jpg has no alpha |
| 17:54.03 | Zolden | but relax, i have a nice one now |
| 17:54.23 | DeadZergling | haha okay, just trying to be too big of a gimp nooblet here |
| 17:54.35 | DeadZergling | *trying not to be |
| 17:55.35 | DeadZergling | brain ain't working right today, had to deal w/ 3 kids, all of the diaper wearing age, for 5 hours straight yesterday. |
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| 18:05.28 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Kubi: can you send me or upload "Kubi's Arena Frenzy" somewhere |
| 18:06.40 | Dustin | Dont do it Kubi, it's a trap! |
| 18:08.05 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.13 | Zolden | DeadZergling: sounds like a horror |
| 18:08.19 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.32 | Blizz-Tenarsis | actually nevermind I got it, this map is awesome |
| 18:08.34 | Dustin | Speaking of Blizzard, I have to respond to the email I got for blizz feedback of Hybrid assault |
| 18:08.54 | Kueken | gooose? |
| 18:09.06 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.06 | Blizz-Tenarsis | although it would be nice to know how to reproduce this crash... |
| 18:09.28 | Dustin | I havent seen Kubi's frenzy yet, is it super sweet Tenarsis? |
| 18:09.37 | Blizz-Tenarsis | sweet intro cinematic thing |
| 18:09.44 | Blizz-Tenarsis | and load screen |
| 18:10.23 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.49 | Kueken | I don't think vision height is a field available for a behavior |
| 18:11.29 | Kueken | the Reaper used to change his vision height |
| 18:11.33 | Kueken | in HotS beta |
| 18:11.43 | Kueken | but thats probably done via upgrade |
| 18:12.04 | Kueken | if you need it on a per-unit basis, you probably need to use a dummy unit |
| 18:12.16 | Kueken | unless Tenarsis disagrees :D |
| 18:12.27 | Zolden | DeadZergling: is this ok? http://i.snag.gy/UVMtU.jpg |
| 18:13.00 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.57 | DeadZergling | aye looks fine, can just stick with the original colors this time |
| 18:14.09 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.30 | Zolden | don't you think it's too bright? |
| 18:15.10 | DeadZergling | well, last time I had to ask for a few redos because it wasn't bright enough |
| 18:15.32 | DeadZergling | It is a little too opaque though for a 'wind' ability |
| 18:16.05 | DeadZergling | little on the bright side is fine, rather let players be able to see what they do |
| 18:18.07 | Zolden | to adjust the brightness you can make white part of the alpha darker |
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| 18:21.09 | Zolden | DeadZergling: ok, check pm |
| 18:21.20 | Zolden | texture path is assets/textures |
| 18:22.34 | DeadZergling | cool, will test it out when I get home later today |
| 18:22.53 | Zolden | ok |
| 18:23.29 | DeadZergling | I can get away with GIMP on my machine here, I'm pretty sure Microsoft would really NOT appreciate me installing starcraft 2 on a work machine though, lol |
| 18:26.01 | Zolden | if they notice it, say them: "you, fuckers, fucked the rise of legends, which would fuck sc2, so now you have to deal with sc2, bitches!" |
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| 18:51.05 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=373S6Rvst2w |
| 18:52.34 | Kueken | way too unoptrusive |
| 18:52.38 | Kueken | *b |
| 18:52.48 | Kueken | she whole screen should shake and blink red |
| 18:52.52 | Kueken | *the |
| 18:52.57 | Kueken | -.- |
| 18:53.05 | Kueken | <- drunk again, it seems |
| 18:58.29 | Zolden | blizz should send helicopters with firworks to players whose workers are idel |
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| 18:59.07 | Zolden | or simply nuke the planet, it will be noticable |
| 19:00.39 | Ahli | when they just wouldn't show it anymore just like in broodwar... the rage... |
| 19:00.55 | Ahli | people would learn to queue their workers back to mining all the time |
| 19:01.03 | Ahli | I do that, even if that is stupid sometimes :D |
| 19:01.03 | Kueken | uuh |
| 19:01.24 | Kueken | I bet the rage of the BW players is just as big |
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| 19:02.48 | Zolden | Dustin: do u think they fixed cutscene frame in 2.0.8 patch? |
| 19:03.06 | Ahli | how can I get rid of original leaderboard's playerNameFrame? it's hidden, but it reacts to the mouse... at least I believe it's that frame that displays the tooltip with the player name :S |
| 19:03.34 | Ahli | I'm playing with interfaces again :) |
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| 19:04.18 | mille25 | hi |
| 19:04.47 | Zolden | lol, "waiting for players" thing fixed, they say :) |
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| 19:05.26 | Ahli | I fixed my inspect window at least 3 times, too... |
| 19:11.17 | Zolden | Dustin: they fixed it :) |
| 19:12.05 | Zolden | JademusSreg: we can now use cutscene frame to display models |
| 19:16.44 | Zolden | Blizz-Tenarsis: could you summon Artestru? |
| 19:19.23 | Dustin | Fixed what Zolden? |
| 19:19.35 | Dustin | Omggg |
| 19:19.37 | Zolden | "Set cutscene for cutscene type dialog item" works now |
| 19:19.52 | Zolden | but it doesn't show the rtt picture from camera |
| 19:20.07 | Dustin | Sooo it doesnt work? |
| 19:20.18 | Zolden | now doesn't |
| 19:20.22 | Zolden | maybe i miss something |
| 19:20.47 | G0A | hey Dogmai good work with the evolution wars |
| 19:22.01 | Zolden | Dustin: same unit in game world and in cutscene frame http://i.snag.gy/ly1qY.jpg |
| 19:23.23 | Dustin | :O |
| 19:24.41 | Zolden | maybe we can set cutscene camera properties to show rtt? |
| 19:24.47 | Dustin | Says im not authorized still |
| 19:25.05 | Zolden | update it |
| 19:25.11 | Zolden | run sc2.exe |
| 19:25.18 | Zolden | editor doesn't update |
| 19:26.21 | Dustin | Yeah its patching |
| 19:27.13 | Zolden | a good sign is the fact that it actually show the texture, it's not black, it just look like the channel isn't defined |
| 19:27.48 | Zolden | so maybe camera do show rtt, but game world rtt channel isn't the same as cutscene world |
| 19:28.16 | Dustin | Sounds likely |
| 19:28.40 | Dustin | damn after that update the editor seems alot snappier |
| 19:29.12 | mille25 | Dustin: really |
| 19:29.16 | mille25 | ? :o |
| 19:30.16 | Zolden | yes, they mentioned that that behavior tab switch work faster, maybe it's not the only fastefication |
| 19:30.41 | Zolden | (that behavior modification tabs switch) |
| 19:31.19 | mille25 | data editor doesnt interrest me. :( |
| 19:32.04 | Zolden | why mille25 |
| 19:32.16 | Zolden | u kinda triggerrer? |
| 19:32.49 | mille25 | :D |
| 19:33.14 | Zolden | custom script now works fucking fast |
| 19:33.15 | Zolden | try it |
| 19:33.24 | Zolden | i mean typing in it |
| 19:33.44 | Dustin | Yeah everything was opening and closing a lot faster |
| 19:33.55 | mille25 | what about overview manager? |
| 19:34.06 | Ahli | behavior tab used to take quite a few seconds to load |
| 19:34.07 | mille25 | takes about 5min to load trigger view for me |
| 19:35.05 | Zolden | what's trigger view? |
| 19:35.07 | mille25 | but yeah nice to hear that blizzard is finally working on editor performance |
| 19:35.22 | mille25 | once you get into big projects the performance of the editor gets a huge problem |
| 19:35.53 | Zolden | my only hope now is that data editor works fast even if hots campaign dependency is loaded |
| 19:36.16 | Ahli | are you the only person that is actually using the overview manager? |
| 19:37.01 | mille25 | seems like it! :D |
| 19:37.01 | Zolden | what's overview manager? |
| 19:37.01 | Kueken | wait, there is a new patch? |
| 19:37.01 | Zolden | can i try it? |
| 19:37.13 | mille25 | heh... its very useful for script people |
| 19:37.13 | mille25 | ! |
| 19:37.17 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9096527/StarCraft_II_Patch_208_Notes-5_7_2013 |
| 19:37.45 | Ahli | I've ctrl + I to get usage of a function in GUI... |
| 19:37.46 | Kueken | when does it get released? |
| 19:37.50 | Zolden | Kueken: it was my first guess after watching Ahli's linked video with "Starcraft 2 Patch 2.0.8 - New Idle Worker Notification" name |
| 19:38.00 | Kueken | good point |
| 19:38.02 | Ahli | in Europe, tonight |
| 19:38.08 | Kueken | didn't look at the version number :) |
| 19:38.16 | DeadZergling | didn't Ahli's project used to have a terribad load/save time? |
| 19:38.35 | mille25 | you can now patch the game once the patch is released in one region |
| 19:38.36 | Ahli | save time was terrible, yes |
| 19:38.39 | mille25 | the first region is always SEA |
| 19:38.43 | Ahli | but that was before this new update |
| 19:38.50 | mille25 | just try to log into SEA and you will be asked if you want to restart to apply update |
| 19:38.56 | mille25 | like that you can already get the patches on monday now. |
| 19:39.03 | Ahli | you can connect to NA too |
| 19:39.06 | Ahli | it's back up again |
| 19:39.20 | mille25 | NA is later |
| 19:39.23 | mille25 | SEA is first |
| 19:39.30 | Ahli | patch is live, you know |
| 19:39.33 | mille25 | sea is already patched monday night |
| 19:39.34 | Zolden | what "ctrl+F12" do? I accidently pressed it and editor made a strange sound |
| 19:39.50 | Ahli | NA patched a few hours ago |
| 19:40.08 | mille25 | yeah its |
| 19:40.12 | Ahli | compile? update lighting ? no idea |
| 19:40.17 | mille25 | SEa -> NA -> EU -> KR |
| 19:40.57 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9623407/Global_Play_and_Patch_Day-5_2_2013 for all details about patching and other regions, times, etc |
| 19:41.27 | Zolden | oh, it was compile |
| 19:42.25 | Ahli | should I keep going with a bright teal or should I change the whole color scheme in my interface? |
| 19:43.28 | Dustin | link Ahli |
| 19:43.50 | Ahli | working on it |
| 19:45.01 | Ahli | http://snag.gy/6r9sU.jpg |
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| 19:46.01 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.20 | DeadZergling | not a horrible color ahli, wouldn't mind it being a little darker though |
| 19:46.27 | DeadZergling | is a little hard on the eyes |
| 19:47.58 | Ahli | I need to make a constant with color scheme value |
| 19:48.01 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.32 | DeadZergling | it isn't bad as it is in any way, I was half expecting to feel a burning sensation in my eyes when I heard 'bright teal', which fortunately didn't happen. Is still a little more bright than I'd care for though. |
| 19:54.59 | Ahli | ohh ohh ohhhh corruptors spawn the corruption model on units.... |
| 19:55.50 | Ahli | this can't be right :X |
| 19:56.48 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.00 | Ahli | http://snag.gy/Pdmr2.jpg as you can clearly see, there are 3 siege tanks... aren't there? |
| 19:58.23 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.10 | A1win | your image is a PNG with .JPG in its filename, it's 2.5 MB large, and it takes like a minute to load from that site with a 100Mbps connection |
| 19:59.17 | Ahli | how the hell are those unit tester maps named? |
| 19:59.19 | A1win | I'd suggest using some other image hosting site D: |
| 19:59.27 | Ahli | I can't find any that looks like it belongs to hots |
| 19:59.45 | Ahli | hots beta had a nice one |
| 20:00.13 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.48 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.53 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:11.44 | Ahli | what do I need to write to use constants? just the constant name? |
| 20:12.44 | mille25 | ? |
| 20:13.10 | Ahli | no, it was "#constantname" I believe |
| 20:13.21 | Ahli | UI editor code |
| 20:19.51 | Blizz-Tenarsis | ## |
| 20:20.16 | Blizz-Tenarsis | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.23 | Blizz-Tenarsis | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.30 | wasatata | YEAH finally split gathering works ^^ |
| 20:22.51 | wasatata | so little needed to make that work.. |
| 20:25.39 | Ahli | # works |
| 20:25.48 | Ahli | ## adds race info I believe |
| 20:25.58 | Ahli | *suffix like _terran |
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| 20:26.36 | Ahli | so, constants added, now I can easily change colors... |
| 20:27.00 | Ahli | I still need to find a way to replace the green of multiple units selected for observers |
| 20:29.56 | wasatata | is there a way to change ingame selection cyrcle handling, and height appearance? (recent change notable for buildings above ground slection cyrcle flooting) |
| 20:30.55 | Ahli | edit offset of selection circle in model objects |
| 20:31.14 | wasatata | where? :O |
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| 20:31.25 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.31 | Ahli | data -> model tab -> enjoy editing all buildings/units |
| 20:31.59 | wasatata | Art: Selection Offset(0.000000,0.000000,0.000000) ? |
| 20:32.02 | wasatata | this one? |
| 20:32.06 | Ahli | can't constant a direct texture name ahhh |
| 20:32.34 | Ahli | yes, I think so |
| 20:32.41 | Ahli | just make Z to 10 and you know it |
| 20:32.44 | Ahli | or 4 |
| 20:33.02 | wasatata | yeah custom offest, not proportional |
| 20:33.11 | Blizz-Tenarsis | texture file 'constants' can go in assets.txt |
| 20:33.31 | Ahli | I hate editing that... need to unload the mod to edit them |
| 20:33.54 | Ahli | or is there a way I can raw-edit those files within the editor? |
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| 20:36.54 | Enexy | Enexy in da house, good sirs |
| 20:38.50 | Kueken | Ahli: save as component list maybe? |
| 20:39.50 | Ahli | would work |
| 20:40.22 | Enexy | Anyone later wanna test if this 24 player click defense is working? |
| 20:40.51 | wasatata | 24? |
| 20:40.55 | Enexy | ya |
| 20:41.11 | wasatata | 24 players in the lobby? Users? |
| 20:41.26 | Enexy | 1 player in lobby, 24 players in game |
| 20:41.36 | wasatata | :O |
| 20:42.02 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.23 | wasatata | I call HACKS! |
| 20:42.44 | Ahli | faking AI players with triggers? |
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| 20:44.41 | Ahli | http://tompreston.deviantart.com/art/Nothing-Changes-370181575 :D |
| 20:46.03 | Enexy | indeed hacks ;x |
| 20:46.16 | Enexy | but no one wants to test as usual :( |
| 20:46.26 | Enexy | Maybe I should just invest in buying another SC2 >.> |
| 20:46.42 | Enexy | Tenarsis, you wanna test? XD |
| 20:47.21 | Blizz-Tenarsis | incredibly busy :| |
| 20:47.33 | Enexy | I mean later tonight, like in 5 hours XD |
| 20:47.57 | Enexy | man, I overuse that XD... must take personal note |
| 20:49.36 | wasatata | I would if in 10 secs wouldnt turn off PC, bye |
| 20:50.31 | DeadZergling | could be worse Enexy, you could overuse lol |
| 20:51.29 | Ahli | texture_backgroundImages=Assets\Textures\white32.dds is in my Assets.txt, but it still can't use it in my <Texture val="@texture_backgroundImages"/> =/ |
| 20:51.42 | Enexy | DeadZergling -> Overuse? |
| 20:51.54 | Enexy | ohhh lol |
| 20:52.00 | DeadZergling | yes, as in use more often than one should |
| 20:52.15 | DeadZergling | you just used the word yourself... |
| 20:52.17 | Enexy | I talk you were thoughting about drugs for some reason |
| 20:52.26 | Enexy | I thought you were talking about drgus* |
| 20:52.28 | Enexy | hmmm... |
| 20:52.30 | Enexy | well you know what I mean |
| 20:52.39 | DeadZergling | yes, now I wonder if you are on any. |
| 20:52.44 | Enexy | lol |
| 20:52.58 | Enexy | wonder how I switched those two words around |
| 20:52.59 | Enexy | Interesting... |
| 20:53.31 | DeadZergling | couldn't say, my brain isn't working so great today, I blame the kids |
| 20:53.47 | Enexy | real life kids or virtual kids? |
| 20:53.57 | DeadZergling | real life ones, 3 of them |
| 20:54.01 | Enexy | oh ok lol |
| 20:54.26 | Enexy | Maybe I should stop working on maps |
| 20:54.34 | Enexy | and pick up a different hobby, like making money |
| 20:54.56 | DeadZergling | yes, it isn't called a hobby then though |
| 20:54.57 | Enexy | You ever feel that way DZ? |
| 20:55.03 | Enexy | lol |
| 20:55.04 | DeadZergling | is called working |
| 20:55.17 | Enexy | I'm at work now though :( |
| 20:55.21 | DeadZergling | not a lot lately, at work right now. |
| 20:55.24 | Ahli | argh, I need to remember to not use multiple layout files within the editor... I edit code in notepad++ and I nearly lost the leaderpanel code o0 |
| 20:55.25 | Enexy | Then maybe I should get a second job lol |
| 20:55.36 | Enexy | what you do for work? |
| 20:55.51 | DeadZergling | software testing at microsoft |
| 20:55.55 | Enexy | oh nice |
| 20:56.02 | Enexy | maybe |
| 20:56.26 | DeadZergling | kind of, it could be if it wasn't the crapola entry level get experience position |
| 20:56.55 | DeadZergling | oh well, at least I get plenty of free time with the sort of testing I do |
| 20:57.04 | DeadZergling | a lot of it is click install and try not to fall asleep |
| 20:57.44 | Enexy | lol |
| 20:57.53 | Enexy | Well, at least you're starting properly |
| 20:58.02 | DeadZergling | gives me a hell of a good reason to try to do development in my free time. |
| 20:58.08 | Enexy | lol |
| 20:58.31 | Enexy | I am working backwards. I went from a seniorish position in the military, now I'm at an entry position in the civilian world |
| 20:58.31 | DeadZergling | seems you enjoy XD and lol quite a lot |
| 20:58.53 | DeadZergling | I see, is it nice or weird? |
| 20:59.12 | DeadZergling | imagine not having to give a damn from being in more a leadership position can be nice. |
| 20:59.18 | Enexy | Sucks |
| 20:59.34 | Enexy | I like leadership positions :) |
| 20:59.39 | Enexy | Though I do not mind being here either |
| 20:59.45 | Enexy | I am used to being slave driven |
| 20:59.55 | DeadZergling | I see, I can handle leadership, I just loathe it. |
| 20:59.57 | Enexy | my degree's in software engineering but I do networking... |
| 20:59.58 | Enexy | weird ;x |
| 21:00.01 | DeadZergling | it doesn't interest me. |
| 21:00.21 | Enexy | I like it but mainly because I abused it in the military, I think I would be ok now |
| 21:00.45 | Ahli | ok, not using the assets.txt entry works o0 |
| 21:01.05 | Enexy | I went from building infrastructures in the military to now call center XD |
| 21:01.12 | Ahli | just a constant worked for me... no idea why assets.txt failed for me |
| 21:01.36 | Enexy | Went to Haiti - built up the entire network infrastructure in under 24 hours, and now I'm answering calls as a tech support |
| 21:01.52 | Enexy | sigh... but it's not bad here, everyonoe smiles |
| 21:01.54 | Enexy | and great benefits |
| 21:02.19 | Enexy | ANYWAYS that's way deviating |
| 21:02.26 | Enexy | from w/e we were talking about |
| 21:02.26 | Enexy | kids |
| 21:02.27 | DeadZergling | that would be quite a change up |
| 21:02.37 | Enexy | I need kids |
| 21:02.50 | DeadZergling | I'd try to adopt 2 + year olds, the infants suck |
| 21:02.57 | Enexy | lol |
| 21:03.06 | Enexy | I want to at least experience it |
| 21:03.19 | DeadZergling | you know all that free time and sleep you been having? |
| 21:03.26 | DeadZergling | kiss those goodbye |
| 21:03.30 | Enexy | Nope, I don't know it lol |
| 21:03.39 | Enexy | I built up bad habbits in the military ;x |
| 21:03.48 | DeadZergling | I'm sure you think you are busy now, but wait. |
| 21:03.52 | Enexy | I go to school in the morning, work, then go to school at night |
| 21:04.03 | Enexy | And days I don't have school in the morning, I teach a high school class |
| 21:04.12 | Enexy | And I also consult for the high school |
| 21:04.23 | DeadZergling | is a much different kind of tired |
| 21:04.31 | Enexy | I'm looking foward to it :) |
| 21:04.36 | Enexy | But not for another 4-6 years :( |
| 21:04.38 | DeadZergling | heh, you won't be. |
| 21:04.49 | DeadZergling | you even dating anyone? |
| 21:05.31 | Enexy | I'm engaged |
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| 21:05.52 | Enexy | almost 5 years |
| 21:06.02 | DeadZergling | you've been engaged for 5 years? |
| 21:06.09 | Enexy | yeah |
| 21:06.11 | Enexy | lol |
| 21:07.07 | DeadZergling | uh, about time to break it off or get married there dude |
| 21:07.18 | DeadZergling | that is a really damn long time |
| 21:07.33 | Enexy | We'll get married next year |
| 21:07.50 | Enexy | I'm just recovering from a few errors on my end here, financially |
| 21:07.50 | Enexy | XD |
| 21:08.06 | DeadZergling | not that I know how long engagements are supposed to be |
| 21:08.14 | DeadZergling | think mine was like 4-5 months |
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| 21:08.54 | Enexy | Lol, well I guess we are married in ways |
| 21:09.03 | Enexy | but just want to make it official when I'm actually very stable |
| 21:09.04 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.35 | DeadZergling | you mean gradually goose |
| 21:09.42 | DeadZergling | or right away? |
| 21:10.06 | DeadZergling | oh wait, you want data only, not a hybrid, nevermind |
| 21:10.10 | DeadZergling | you don't want to hear what I did, lol |
| 21:10.26 | Enexy | What you did? |
| 21:10.28 | Enexy | Financially? |
| 21:10.32 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.38 | DeadZergling | about the items |
| 21:10.39 | Enexy | I don't think ppl can beat me |
| 21:10.41 | Enexy | oh |
| 21:10.44 | Enexy | lol |
| 21:10.58 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.07 | DeadZergling | like in my map, when an item is dropped, a behavior is applied that kills it in 30 mins |
| 21:11.15 | DeadZergling | behavior gets removed if item is picked up |
| 21:11.40 | DeadZergling | help deal w/ clutter issues |
| 21:12.08 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.27 | DeadZergling | yep, if not removed |
| 21:12.29 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.39 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.52 | DeadZergling | oh no, this behavior gets applied when my item drop function goes in triggers |
| 21:12.59 | DeadZergling | it can't get applied at the shop |
| 21:13.04 | DeadZergling | is all about control |
| 21:13.37 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.59 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.04 | DeadZergling | Yea Enexy, know one couple who been together for like ever, one is a children's doctor, guy is into lots of stuff, they stay single for financial reasons |
| 21:14.24 | DeadZergling | better question gooose, do you have a data only way to track when an item is dropped |
| 21:14.27 | DeadZergling | I don't think you do |
| 21:14.52 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.21 | DeadZergling | not sure, could be, but you need to find a way to track that using data only |
| 21:15.21 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.36 | DeadZergling | I have to use triggers for my items anyways |
| 21:15.43 | DeadZergling | data can't do what I want |
| 21:16.41 | DeadZergling | okay, now need to find a way to make that cause a suicide effect on your item |
| 21:16.57 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.03 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.15 | DeadZergling | yea, triggers you can do that in about 15 seconds, lol |
| 21:19.16 | Enexy | I need to get into the software side of things, ugh |
| 21:20.10 | Enexy | Blizzard won't hire me though :( |
| 21:20.11 | Enexy | lol |
| 21:20.27 | DeadZergling | Pssstttt, there are OTHER companies. |
| 21:20.41 | Enexy | Haha, I know. I just had a phone screening with Symantec |
| 21:20.50 | Enexy | But the way he was describing the job was that I'd be a drone |
| 21:20.58 | Enexy | and I don't even see my team members in person... |
| 21:21.10 | Enexy | so no thanks ;x lol |
| 21:21.14 | DeadZergling | that can be a blessing you know |
| 21:21.15 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.28 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.33 | DeadZergling | talking about events |
| 21:21.35 | Enexy | I'd rather be able to go to a coffee shop, pretend to do work and shoot crap together |
| 21:21.36 | DeadZergling | ? |
| 21:22.09 | Enexy | with my team members, lol |
| 21:22.22 | Enexy | rather than just sit, wait in queue for some kind of feature request change |
| 21:22.58 | DeadZergling | loses item, forget what that one is exactly, I don't think you need to worry about it for what you are doing though gooose |
| 21:23.37 | Kueken | gooose: drop = the actual act of dropping the item on the ground, loose = when the item vanishes from the inventory other ways, like its getting killed or uses up all charges? |
| 21:23.39 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.46 | DeadZergling | should be as simple as, event item is dropped |
| 21:23.56 | DeadZergling | was my guess too Kueken, but didn't want to give out a guess, lol |
| 21:23.57 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.08 | DeadZergling | then next line, kill triggering unit |
| 21:24.11 | DeadZergling | that's about it |
| 21:24.27 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.30 | Kueken | although, if you give a unit to another unit, I have no idea, if it will trigger drop |
| 21:24.41 | DeadZergling | no, not give any item |
| 21:24.49 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.49 | DeadZergling | you want to auto destroy items as you give them to people? |
| 21:24.56 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.02 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.12 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.34 | DeadZergling | why do behaviors need to be involved if you plan just to immediately kill the item? |
| 21:26.33 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:27.48 | Blizz-Artestru | Hey Zolden, Tenarsis said you had a question? |
| 21:28.30 | DeadZergling | right, but if you are just immediately killing the item, why not just kill it instead of using a behavior. The only reason to use a behavior is to have the unit removal be delayed. |
| 21:28.45 | DeadZergling | just wondering why you want to do it that way, any special reason? |
| 21:30.09 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.16 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.46 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.59 | Ahli | ahhh, how many unitcountframes do I need to create? 15 not enough... let's do 30... that's like the whole screen |
| 21:31.28 | Enexy | DZ, what do you work on? |
| 21:31.42 | DeadZergling | map wise? |
| 21:31.45 | Enexy | yeah |
| 21:31.54 | Enexy | life-wise, work-wise, whatever you feel like talking about XD |
| 21:32.03 | DeadZergling | Horologium RPG, I have no doubt it will keep me busy until the end of time if I let it |
| 21:32.13 | Enexy | is it posted somewhere? |
| 21:32.35 | Enexy | I found it |
| 21:32.52 | DeadZergling | if you search for RPG under custom maps on NA, (Not Arcade) |
| 21:33.16 | DeadZergling | the most recently posted public version is there |
| 21:33.18 | Enexy | I don't bring my laptop to work, though I should |
| 21:33.31 | Enexy | so I can play LoL or work on my sc2 map at work, rofl |
| 21:33.42 | Enexy | I'm watching a video of it |
| 21:33.52 | DeadZergling | be nice, I mostly just do thinking at work |
| 21:33.54 | Enexy | is it played a lot on b.net? |
| 21:33.58 | DeadZergling | or icons |
| 21:34.12 | DeadZergling | I don't think so, I have kept it obscure and out of sight |
| 21:34.16 | DeadZergling | since it isn't ready yet |
| 21:34.25 | DeadZergling | I just have it posted there so my testers can access it |
| 21:34.31 | Enexy | I see |
| 21:34.41 | Enexy | Wow, I should actually do that too, that's a good idea |
| 21:34.43 | DeadZergling | including their friends, etceteras. |
| 21:34.51 | Enexy | is this old school RPG style? |
| 21:34.53 | DeadZergling | was a little nice though, I got a few emails |
| 21:35.02 | DeadZergling | asking if i was going to continue workign on it |
| 21:35.09 | Enexy | I see |
| 21:35.23 | Enexy | how long you been working on it? |
| 21:35.34 | DeadZergling | oh, was working on it for about 10-11 months |
| 21:35.44 | DeadZergling | took a 4 month break i just got back from, lol |
| 21:35.45 | Enexy | nice nice |
| 21:35.54 | Enexy | I think I seen a video of this from a long time ago |
| 21:36.05 | Enexy | I'm on a very long break on my map as well :( |
| 21:36.09 | DeadZergling | aye probably, it has a ton left to do |
| 21:36.17 | DeadZergling | but I'm going to make myself finish my last 2 classes |
| 21:36.26 | DeadZergling | then start working on new areas/bosses again |
| 21:36.28 | Enexy | the other video I saw had a lot more action than this one |
| 21:36.54 | DeadZergling | if it is the imp one, i use a minute or two to show some of the inventory shit |
| 21:36.59 | DeadZergling | then go into spell casting |
| 21:37.09 | Enexy | Dun remember, I remember a bunch of flying projectiles all over the place |
| 21:37.13 | Enexy | like one of thsoe old arcade games |
| 21:37.15 | Enexy | with a space ship |
| 21:37.17 | Enexy | lolol |
| 21:37.19 | Ahli | all reactors, tech labs and creep tumors should be combined into 1 unit in leaderboard... =/ they take away pretty much space and you don't need/read that info |
| 21:37.33 | Enexy | 2 more hours of work, ugh |
| 21:37.38 | DeadZergling | I been delaying posting a necromancer video |
| 21:37.41 | DeadZergling | I want to finish Area 3 |
| 21:37.44 | DeadZergling | and show him off there |
| 21:37.49 | Enexy | I see |
| 21:37.50 | DeadZergling | he been done a long time |
| 21:37.53 | Enexy | Have you logged on b.net lately? |
| 21:37.59 | DeadZergling | I'm actually really happy with how he turned out |
| 21:38.03 | Enexy | lol |
| 21:38.05 | DeadZergling | day or two ago |
| 21:38.16 | Enexy | is your inventory 100% custom? |
| 21:38.26 | Enexy | how's SCU doing on b.net? I have not looked on b.net in a long time |
| 21:38.36 | DeadZergling | depends what you mean by custom |
| 21:38.51 | DeadZergling | If by custom you mean huge freaking mess |
| 21:38.53 | Enexy | do you use all triggers, or do you use data editor for items |
| 21:38.54 | DeadZergling | absolutely |
| 21:38.58 | Enexy | lol |
| 21:39.02 | DeadZergling | hybrid... |
| 21:39.09 | Enexy | I see |
| 21:39.20 | Ahli | hybrid? cool |
| 21:39.41 | DeadZergling | trigger takes care of applying stats, equiping/unequipping weapons/shields (knight triwields), saving/loading items from banks using codes and such. |
| 21:39.53 | Enexy | I been redoing my approach on my map entirely lately. Since I don't really work on it anymore, I've been designing it on paper. Drawing diagrams and lower level diagrams |
| 21:40.02 | DeadZergling | Data just handles unit/item representations, tooltips, weapon damage, etc |
| 21:40.06 | Enexy | I want to redo my entire inventory system/drag and drop system |
| 21:40.15 | Enexy | I see |
| 21:40.19 | Enexy | that's a good approach |
| 21:40.19 | Ahli | k, if triggers manage equipment via arrays/custom values, you got my inventory... ;D |
| 21:40.20 | DeadZergling | no items have behaviors |
| 21:40.30 | DeadZergling | i control whether they happen the whole way |
| 21:40.34 | DeadZergling | just how I wanted it, lol |
| 21:40.43 | Enexy | lol |
| 21:40.54 | DeadZergling | I'm still fairly proud of my triwielding system |
| 21:41.09 | Enexy | I was thinking of tri-wielding with ranged weapons lol |
| 21:41.22 | DeadZergling | i did a bandolier approach for ranged weapons |
| 21:41.25 | Enexy | who tri-wields in yours lol |
| 21:41.32 | DeadZergling | casper gets 4 slots for weapons |
| 21:41.37 | DeadZergling | can switch between any of the 4 instantly |
| 21:41.54 | Enexy | lol |
| 21:41.55 | DeadZergling | Knight triwields in mine, can do 3 1hers, 1 2her 1 1her, 1 1her 2 shields, 1 3her, etc |
| 21:42.02 | Enexy | did you see my dual casting feature? |
| 21:42.09 | DeadZergling | guessing not |
| 21:42.10 | Enexy | lol |
| 21:42.12 | Enexy | a 3her? |
| 21:42.15 | Enexy | Never thought of that rofl |
| 21:42.17 | Enexy | that's unique |
| 21:42.18 | DeadZergling | he has 3 hands |
| 21:42.28 | DeadZergling | why the hell shuoldn't he get a 3handed weapon |
| 21:42.35 | Enexy | lol |
| 21:42.36 | DeadZergling | hehe, Knight mentality im afraid |
| 21:42.50 | DeadZergling | in everquest i played a shadowknight since 1999 |
| 21:43.07 | DeadZergling | so got me thinking, what could be better than a 2handed weapon? |
| 21:43.12 | DeadZergling | Why, a 3 handed weapon, of course! |
| 21:43.16 | Enexy | Makes me wish I went a class approach with my characters |
| 21:43.21 | Enexy | I'd make a 4 armed beast |
| 21:43.26 | Enexy | lol |
| 21:43.33 | DeadZergling | if I get bored enough |
| 21:43.38 | DeadZergling | i could add a 6th class that quad wields |
| 21:43.48 | Enexy | or dual 2h |
| 21:43.52 | Enexy | like barbs |
| 21:43.56 | Enexy | but no disadvantage |
| 21:43.57 | DeadZergling | well, quad 1her |
| 21:44.01 | Enexy | ...or WoW warriors |
| 21:44.02 | DeadZergling | or dual 2her |
| 21:44.07 | DeadZergling | the idea is |
| 21:44.10 | DeadZergling | give them options |
| 21:44.22 | Enexy | sc2mapster site failing |
| 21:44.49 | Enexy | http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/attachments/modifications-development-presentation-664/118788d1351019550-rise-nigma-rpg-spell1.jpg |
| 21:44.54 | Enexy | the dual wield option I have for casters |
| 21:45.01 | Enexy | I'm particularly proud of that XD |
| 21:45.13 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: hey, yes, I've got a question about cutscene frame and rtt |
| 21:46.06 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: glad that locked "Set cutscene for cutscene type dialog item" action is fixed now |
| 21:46.26 | Enexy | Tri-wield, really intrigues me tho |
| 21:46.42 | Blizz-Artestru | Yup! |
| 21:46.44 | DeadZergling | lol, well the knight can do it in the posted map |
| 21:46.45 | Blizz-Artestru | Sorry it took so long |
| 21:47.00 | DeadZergling | just have to kill long enough to acquire some weapons to use it |
| 21:47.06 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: oh, it's fine, glad it happened. So, there is a screen http://i.snag.gy/ly1qY.jpg |
| 21:47.20 | Enexy | Going far into fire tree in my map allows you to temporarily "triple" cast in a way |
| 21:47.26 | Enexy | wonder why I never thought of tri-wielding ... |
| 21:47.32 | Enexy | what video |
| 21:47.42 | Enexy | do you actually animate 3 weapons attacking? |
| 21:47.45 | Blizz-Artestru | Okay |
| 21:47.58 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: here you can see the same unit, one is in the game world with working rtt, and another one is within cutscene frame, and his rtt texture doesn't show anything like channel wasn't set up, but it was, since it work in gam world |
| 21:48.07 | DeadZergling | oh nothing that fancy, yet |
| 21:48.12 | Enexy | awww |
| 21:48.28 | Enexy | boring here |
| 21:48.30 | Enexy | no calls coming in |
| 21:48.33 | Blizz-Artestru | Okay, in the cutscene is the cutscene looking at a model that uses RTT? |
| 21:48.41 | DeadZergling | yea i know, but I'd need a model specifically made for that purpose |
| 21:48.45 | DeadZergling | and I'm no modeler |
| 21:48.52 | Enexy | Blizzard -> Who's your ISP over at the headquarters? |
| 21:48.59 | Enexy | lol |
| 21:49.09 | Enexy | Modeler's hard to come by in SC2... |
| 21:49.24 | Enexy | Is it century link by any chance? |
| 21:49.31 | Blizz-Artestru | No clue. |
| 21:49.34 | Enexy | lol |
| 21:49.40 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: Yes, it's the same unit as the one in game, and I remember that you said that game world and cutscene world whare rtt channels, but now it look like they don't |
| 21:49.42 | Enexy | I wait for the day when Blizzard calls me ;x |
| 21:50.00 | Enexy | Here at Cox... don't think we're your ISP though |
| 21:50.01 | DeadZergling | if I had more of this money thing, I'd totally commission Zolden to make some models/animations specifically for my project |
| 21:50.11 | Enexy | lol |
| 21:50.16 | Enexy | I offer to pay, still can't get anyone |
| 21:50.49 | Zolden | DeadZergling: oh, i'd be glad to :) |
| 21:51.24 | DeadZergling | we are speaking in the realm of 'if' unfortunately, Zolden. Can hardly afford the rent lately, lol |
| 21:52.12 | Enexy | What about me, Zolden? :) |
| 21:52.17 | Blizz-Artestru | So your cutscene uses the same exact model. That model's material is set to a specific channel, and you can see that that model renders properly in the game but it doesn't in a cutscene frame? |
| 21:52.23 | Blizz-Artestru | Wasn't there a flag you had to set on the cutscene frame? |
| 21:52.28 | Zolden | DeadZergling: and I wish microsoft understand how badass you are as a programmer or whoever you are there and promote you :) |
| 21:52.30 | Blizz-Artestru | for render mode |
| 21:52.59 | Blizz-Artestru | one sec let me ask someone |
| 21:53.10 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: yes, you described the situation right. ANd if you explain what flag should I try, i'd try it now |
| 21:53.43 | Enexy | lol - looks like my buddy here actually took a call from Blizzard just a few hours ago he said |
| 21:53.52 | Enexy | what a funny coincidence I was just speaking outloud about SC2 |
| 21:54.18 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 21:54.22 | Enexy | slow internet speeds XD |
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| 21:54.35 | Kueken | 2 Blizzguys at once? |
| 21:54.35 | Blizz-Artestru | set the frame's render type to HDR |
| 21:54.45 | Kueken | how do we deserve this? |
| 21:54.51 | Blizz-Artestru | (sorry I didn't know offhand, I had to ask) :) |
| 21:54.51 | Zolden | Enexy, I wish you lean the modelling and then blizz call you and tell you that they would love you to work for them, and you create all units for lotv, and then that game conquer the market, and president obama will call you and suggest to have sex with one of his daughters |
| 21:55.03 | Ahli | so, he can make sure that every windows version boots to the desktop and uses some kind of quick start menu. Also, every menu shall be usable with keyboard... yes, win8 tiles, I speak to you... |
| 21:55.44 | Enexy | How do I private message someone zolden |
| 21:55.45 | Enexy | lol |
| 21:56.15 | Ahli | was refering to Zolden wishes for DeadZergling |
| 21:56.17 | Kueken | in irc? |
| 21:56.34 | Ahli | doubleclick his name in irc |
| 21:56.37 | Zolden | click my name in the list and click query |
| 21:56.47 | DeadZergling | Windows 8, first thing I do is revert it back to Windows 7 as much as possible |
| 21:56.54 | DeadZergling | horrible OS |
| 21:56.55 | Ahli | :D |
| 21:56.57 | Kueken | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.32 | Ahli | it was fixed the day I found out about the classic shell |
| 21:57.45 | Ahli | with that thing, it's actually a good windows |
| 21:57.53 | Ahli | task manager could load faster, though |
| 21:58.06 | DeadZergling | By the way Enexy, did your SCU end up w/ like 2 or 3 of the best builds, making all other ways seem bad and you should feel sad? |
| 21:58.15 | DeadZergling | is what typically happens with that type of RPG |
| 21:58.37 | Ahli | it took 14 seconds now to display the window and 1 to load current values... |
| 21:58.38 | Enexy | Deadzergling, I don't know how to reply |
| 21:58.43 | Enexy | and Zolden, I have no idea what you mean - but I hope so too |
| 21:59.00 | Enexy | DeadZergling -> No, I never got to test out builds that in depth. I have only 60 working abilities, and most of them are in the tank trees. |
| 21:59.08 | DeadZergling | heh, do I need to rephrase? I'm only curious |
| 21:59.22 | Enexy | I don't know how to reply privately. |
| 21:59.24 | Enexy | ? |
| 21:59.29 | DeadZergling | any can do anything usually has a few ultra powerful builds |
| 21:59.30 | Enexy | trying to find out how lol |
| 21:59.42 | DeadZergling | while the class system usually has 1 or 2 OP classes |
| 22:00.03 | DeadZergling | isn't it just /msg name ? |
| 22:00.19 | DeadZergling | nope, not that one |
| 22:00.33 | Kueken | Enexy: /msg Deadzergling Bla |
| 22:00.41 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: ok, I have set frame's render type to HDR like this Dialog - Set (Last created dialog item) render type to HDR for (All players) , and it didn't solve the situation, still same look: works in game world, doesn't in the frame |
| 22:01.00 | Blizz-Artestru | errr |
| 22:01.03 | Blizz-Artestru | that was supposed to work |
| 22:01.04 | DeadZergling | isn't /msg like alert or something? |
| 22:01.24 | Kueken | I wrote a message to myself, which worked |
| 22:01.25 | Zolden | I would say that it does render rtt texture within the cutscene frame, but the model there doesn't show the channel, like it wasn't assigned |
| 22:01.37 | Blizz-Artestru | can you perform that test? |
| 22:01.46 | Blizz-Artestru | Can you test that the cutscene will RTT on its own? |
| 22:02.37 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: you mean if i create a cutscene within cse and try it? |
| 22:03.18 | Blizz-Artestru | I mean alter your cutscene so that it performs its own RTT -- add a model that has an internal camera, have that internal camera set the RTT, then see if RTT works in your cutscene frame |
| 22:03.24 | Blizz-Artestru | as in, remove the variable of it having to go outside of itself |
| 22:03.52 | Blizz-Artestru | once you see RTT working in the editor, play it back in the game |
| 22:03.53 | Blizz-Artestru | in the frame |
| 22:04.09 | Blizz-Artestru | we're trying to figure out... is the frame itself at fault or does RTT not go across scenes |
| 22:04.14 | Blizz-Artestru | I was told this should work |
| 22:04.37 | Blizz-Artestru | I'm tempted to say the frame still isn't set to HDR |
| 22:06.27 | DeadZergling | Enexy got very quiet, he must be spamming Zolden about model stuff |
| 22:06.31 | Zolden | ok, lemme try, this all new for me, but i'll try to figure it out... so, if I have a camera model and rtt textured model within a cutscene, how should I set rtt channel to show camera picture? |
| 22:06.51 | DeadZergling | or (gasp) he is actually working at work |
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| 22:07.54 | Blizz-Artestru | http://us.media.blizzard.com/starcraft2/downloads/tutorial/SCII-CutsceneEditorInstructions.pdf |
| 22:07.58 | Blizz-Artestru | check out the RTT section |
| 22:08.05 | Blizz-Artestru | also, ignore the part about "campaign mode rendering" |
| 22:08.06 | Zolden | ok, ty |
| 22:08.07 | Blizz-Artestru | that's not true anymore |
| 22:08.10 | Blizz-Artestru | now you just need HDR |
| 22:08.45 | Blizz-Artestru | Looks like I don't say how to add an RTT node |
| 22:08.48 | Blizz-Artestru | I think it's under Object->Add Node |
| 22:08.49 | Zolden | Dustin: r u here? would be cool if you do this too |
| 22:10.25 | Zolden | yea, found it |
| 22:11.03 | Ahli | Can the "-" in the attribute list of a unit be found in the text editor? would like to delete it |
| 22:13.56 | Ahli | hmm, maybe with a leading space |
| 22:15.33 | Ahli | " ??? Locks your camera to the commentator's camera. ???" someone wasn't sure about ObserveCommentator hotkey tooltip ^^ is that function even in the game? :D |
| 22:17.03 | Ahli | hey we can make actual lists within texts |
| 22:17.12 | Ahli | <ul indent="2" text="•"><li>Collapsible Rock Towers can be destroyed to create Destructible Rocks or Debris.</li><li>This is ideal to block pathways or create choke points to fight your enemies.</li></ul> |
| 22:17.45 | Kueken | looks nice? |
| 22:18.09 | Ahli | UI/HelpGameMechanic/.... is the ID |
| 22:18.29 | Ahli | well, you can just copy paste the text in a preview window |
| 22:18.32 | Enexy | the countdown... 1 hr left lol |
| 22:18.59 | Enexy | Man, Remedy uses way too many resources |
| 22:19.00 | Enexy | it's nuts |
| 22:19.03 | Ahli | countdown? |
| 22:19.17 | Enexy | countdown before work ends, then I gotta go to school |
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| 22:27.39 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: ok, i just tied to do something and it didn't work, so i want to check if i do everything right: I added a unit with rtt texture and a model with camera inside it. Then I added that rtt channel 1 node, then I set channel and camera via rightclick on that rtt node. So, should this have make rtt texture show picture from camera yet, within the cutscene editor? because it didn't neither in the cse nor in game |
| 22:27.44 | Zolden | Triceron: hey |
| 22:27.55 | Triceron | Ahoy Zolden |
| 22:28.01 | Blizz-Artestru | yes it should have |
| 22:28.08 | Blizz-Artestru | looks like you missed a step maybe |
| 22:28.24 | Blizz-Artestru | what model did you use for the camera? |
| 22:28.44 | Blizz-Artestru | also is the purple RTT element active for the whole duration of the cutscene? (or at least the time that you're looking at) |
| 22:30.13 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: I use a model I created, jsut a camera (it works if we use it within game world) |
| 22:30.42 | Blizz-Artestru | if you go to view->camera, is it listed there and do you look through it when you select it? |
| 22:31.53 | Ahli | it's possible to screw with a replay user's frames in a map that hooks up those frames |
| 22:31.58 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: yes, it's liested, and I look through it if i click on it |
| 22:32.48 | Ahli | ahh well, seems fine sort of anyway |
| 22:33.26 | Blizz-Artestru | gonna give it a shot here |
| 22:35.42 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: hey, it worked, i just was confused by numeration, it's 1-7 in max, an 0-6 in cse |
| 22:35.56 | Zolden | so I set 1, but 0 worked |
| 22:36.14 | Zolden | ok, lemme now check if it work in frame |
| 22:37.48 | Blizz-Artestru | ahh |
| 22:37.49 | Blizz-Artestru | okay |
| 22:37.50 | Blizz-Artestru | cool |
| 22:38.05 | Blizz-Artestru | sorry, yeah, looks like the programmer in me 0 indexed it |
| 22:38.06 | Blizz-Artestru | :P |
| 22:38.31 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: alright, tried it in game, and it does show the scene in the frame |
| 22:39.49 | Zolden | and it looks like the cutscene frame is kinda attached to the game camera, so when i move it, I see the game world within the cse model's rtt texture |
| 22:39.54 | Enexy | €Does anyone know why the Zealot's when told to move a certain angle do not actually face that angle unless it surpasses 15° |
| 22:40.24 | Enexy | this is a new issue introduced with HOTS release |
| 22:40.27 | Enexy | and it's really annoying me :( |
| 22:42.57 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: now I've tried it with that trigger which set rtt channel for the game world texture, and it didn't override the cs channel, so cutscene frame model shows its inner camera picture, and the same model in the game world shows picture from the camera within game world |
| 22:43.58 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: and the question is: can we use game world model camera to render into cutscene model rtt channel |
| 22:45.26 | Blizz-Artestru | wait, so you have two cameras modifying the same rtt channel from different scenes? |
| 22:46.02 | Blizz-Artestru | Also, I've re-read what you said a few times, and I don't think I fully understand it. |
| 22:46.17 | Zolden | :)) |
| 22:46.29 | Blizz-Artestru | So let me ask a few direct question: |
| 22:46.30 | Zolden | ok, lemme show you a screen and explain again |
| 22:46.37 | Zolden | ok, ask |
| 22:46.41 | Blizz-Artestru | 1. The cutscene in a cutscene frame played back correctly? |
| 22:46.47 | Enexy | Blizz Artestru, I'm sorry to bother you. But the zealot thing has been getting to me a lot lately. Would you be able to try to reproduce the issue I'm having with zealot's facing angles? |
| 22:46.51 | Zolden | 1. yea |
| 22:47.08 | Blizz-Artestru | 2. It was using the camera from the cutscene? |
| 22:47.28 | Zolden | 2. yes |
| 22:47.33 | Blizz-Artestru | 3. Simultaneously, there was a camera in the game world also modifying that same texture channel? |
| 22:47.57 | Zolden | 3. yes again |
| 22:48.28 | Blizz-Artestru | (that seems dangerous) |
| 22:48.56 | Zolden | nothing exploded yet |
| 22:49.17 | Blizz-Artestru | So if you take that exact same cutscene and disable or remove the RTT node |
| 22:49.45 | Blizz-Artestru | Will it do what you want? |
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| 22:52.37 | Zolden | no, because the trigger which defines a camera for a cahnnel and supposed to affect both cutscene and gameworld textures, only affects game world texture. If I disable cutscene rtt channel node, cutscene frame will show unit without a picture from camera, while game world units will show its rtt picture properly |
| 22:53.17 | Blizz-Artestru | Okay |
| 22:53.36 | Blizz-Artestru | There's gotta be a way to do this. |
| 22:54.29 | Blizz-Artestru | So my guess at what's happening here is it's due to them being in different scenes. It could be that the render order is the cause or it could just be something that doesn't work. |
| 22:54.32 | Zolden | i hope :) |
| 22:54.51 | Blizz-Artestru | But you're trying to do is a PiP, right? |
| 22:54.59 | Blizz-Artestru | You want a frame that shows a different area of the map? |
| 22:55.25 | Zolden | yes, what i'm trying to do is pip |
| 22:55.30 | Zolden | yes |
| 22:56.15 | Blizz-Artestru | let me go yell at a graphics programmer real quick. |
| 22:56.17 | Zolden | just to illustrate that situation with both cs and gw units: http://i.snag.gy/Fdpym.jpg |
| 22:56.17 | Blizz-Artestru | I mean ask questions |
| 22:56.23 | Zolden | ok |
| 22:56.38 | Blizz-Artestru | what is that picture? |
| 22:56.40 | Blizz-Artestru | I don't understand it |
| 22:58.31 | Blizz-Artestru | they're busy |
| 22:58.33 | Blizz-Artestru | anyway |
| 22:58.44 | Blizz-Artestru | I'm confused because RTT should not care about the scene at all |
| 22:59.07 | Zolden | on that picture we only see a cutscene frame, and an rtt unit within the scene (red border), cutscene camera watches the rtt unit, while model camera is watching game world from the scene, and it see the rtt textured units of the game world (teal bordered) which show ANOTHER picture from the game world model camera |
| 22:59.25 | Zolden | sorry, it's a complicated situation made for test purpose |
| 23:00.21 | Blizz-Artestru | yeah that made no sense to me |
| 23:00.26 | Blizz-Artestru | but you're saying it's not correct? |
| 23:00.31 | Zolden | i was wondered about the fact that scene model camera can see the world |
| 23:00.56 | Blizz-Artestru | the cutscene model camera should not be able to render anything outside of the cutscene |
| 23:00.59 | Blizz-Artestru | however |
| 23:01.07 | Blizz-Artestru | your cutscene, if it has "null area", will just be transparent |
| 23:01.17 | Blizz-Artestru | it might be clearer if you put a big background model in your cutscene |
| 23:01.27 | Blizz-Artestru | but regardless, if you understand it and it doesn't work, that's fine |
| 23:01.38 | Blizz-Artestru | woops |
| 23:01.59 | Zolden | well, it worked correct for the situation I explained: scene model camera translates its picture to the scene units, and game world camera translates its picture to the game world units |
| 23:02.04 | Ahli | booom, saving gameheart replay user's days... http://snag.gy/FoqAi.jpg |
| 23:02.57 | Blizz-Artestru | okay, and you said when you remove the cutscene RTT it does not render? |
| 23:04.15 | Zolden | yes, here you can see the scene rtt textured model look without scene rtt channel enabled http://i.snag.gy/ly1qY.jpg |
| 23:05.06 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: LOL |
| 23:05.10 | Zolden | I've got it |
| 23:05.13 | Blizz-Artestru | ??? |
| 23:05.15 | Zolden | ha |
| 23:05.17 | Blizz-Artestru | It works? |
| 23:05.21 | Zolden | :)))) |
| 23:05.34 | Blizz-Artestru | I was literally typing my condolence line saying I had no idea what was wrong :P |
| 23:05.45 | Blizz-Artestru | What was it? |
| 23:05.48 | Zolden | you know what's wrong |
| 23:06.09 | Zolden | you know |
| 23:06.14 | Blizz-Artestru | HDR? |
| 23:06.15 | Zolden | you said it |
| 23:06.21 | Zolden | no |
| 23:06.29 | Blizz-Artestru | I give up |
| 23:06.53 | Zolden | oh, wait |
| 23:07.00 | Blizz-Artestru | uh oh |
| 23:07.02 | Zolden | sec, maybe i'm wrong |
| 23:08.56 | Ahli | it it possible to make AI silent ingame? it's for exploiting it for observer vision... and a special functionality for replay casts |
| 23:10.55 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: no, sorry, it's my fault, doesn't work ;/ |
| 23:11.02 | Blizz-Artestru | :( |
| 23:12.53 | Zolden | ok, i'll experiment a little, maybe will notice something useful |
| 23:13.05 | Blizz-Artestru | I'll talk to the graphics guys when they're available |
| 23:15.16 | Zolden | alright |
| 23:20.47 | Zolden | wow, cutscene uses the same hotkeys as max has for move/rotate :) |
| 23:21.25 | Enexy | Artestru :( |
| 23:25.09 | Blizz-Artestru | Zolden: Crazy coincidence! |
| 23:25.14 | Blizz-Artestru | Enexy: Sorry, I don't know the answer. |
| 23:25.48 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: i just got an idea |
| 23:26.02 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: that trigger doesn't let us to set channel 0 |
| 23:26.20 | Zolden | it only has 1-7, while in cse only 0 worked |
| 23:27.01 | Ahli | :< UI editor still doesn't save what he compiled when the interface saving failed because it's used in the game... |
| 23:27.12 | Zolden | maybe i should try to make a model with channel 2 in max and set channel 1 by trigger |
| 23:27.17 | Blizz-Artestru | I imagine the trigger editor translates it for you |
| 23:27.20 | Blizz-Artestru | what's the name of the trigger? |
| 23:27.22 | Blizz-Artestru | I can look it up |
| 23:27.53 | Zolden | Camera - Set model camera SC2Camera001 from Zealot [40.51, 33.14] for player 1 to render-to-texture channel 1 using aspect ratio 1.0. |
| 23:27.56 | Zolden | this one |
| 23:28.54 | Blizz-Artestru | yeah, it subtracts 1 from what the user provides |
| 23:29.05 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: it translates for game world models, but not for scene models, worth a try I think |
| 23:29.13 | Zolden | oh, ok |
| 23:29.18 | Blizz-Artestru | a camera is bound to a channel index |
| 23:29.28 | Blizz-Artestru | when you call that function, it binds that camera to render to a specific channel index |
| 23:29.40 | Blizz-Artestru | all models that use that material then render from that channel index |
| 23:29.51 | Blizz-Artestru | my theory is that the second scene is stomping the render on the channel |
| 23:30.29 | Blizz-Artestru | you may want to try changing indices, though, for a different reason |
| 23:30.45 | Zolden | alright |
| 23:30.47 | Blizz-Artestru | the code looks like it does not render into a channel index if no camera is bound... I wonder if some camera somewhere is bound to index 0 |
| 23:30.58 | Blizz-Artestru | and is stomping the render |
| 23:31.30 | Blizz-Artestru | what's your graphics options level set to? |
| 23:31.40 | Blizz-Artestru | it looks like if you're low enough, we share the texture with the depth buffer |
| 23:32.01 | Zolden | i have high |
| 23:32.04 | Blizz-Artestru | try ultra |
| 23:32.11 | Zolden | ok |
| 23:34.34 | Zolden | didn't fix |
| 23:35.06 | Blizz-Artestru | oh wait |
| 23:35.10 | Blizz-Artestru | there's a clear that happens always |
| 23:35.22 | Blizz-Artestru | wait |
| 23:35.26 | Blizz-Artestru | that may not be what I think it is |
| 23:35.27 | Blizz-Artestru | disregard |
| 23:35.33 | Blizz-Artestru | I'll have to bug a graphics guy, they're still busy |
| 23:35.37 | Zolden | but i've got another idea: for my model i'm using rtt channel on emissive layer instead of diffuse, and i remember there were some situations where diffuse one worked and the emissive one didn't |
| 23:35.50 | Blizz-Artestru | give it a shot |
| 23:36.03 | Blizz-Artestru | although if it worked before, I'd expect a material property to not make a difference with a camera problem |
| 23:36.33 | Blizz-Artestru | it feels like the texture is being cleared prior to the second scene rendering |
| 23:37.22 | Blizz-Artestru | So I'm wondering if there's some clever way to have a camera inside of a cutscene attach to the position of a camera outside of it, asynchronously |
| 23:37.57 | Blizz-Artestru | Let me see if actors can reference actors in another scene |
| 23:38.07 | Zolden | ok |
| 23:39.35 | Zolden | a guy on forum mentioned that there is an actor event called "Enable Render To Texture" |
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| 23:40.07 | Saeris | hmm, finally have some Blizz people back in the chat huh? |
| 23:42.45 | Zolden | Saeris: new patch, they watch |
| 23:43.22 | Saeris | the new patch had me interested with the added replay functionality |
| 23:43.40 | Saeris | but I haven't been able to see a sampling of what's actually recorded yet |
| 23:43.57 | Saeris | plus I don't know pythin so I can't make use of the code they published yet either |
| 23:44.05 | Saeris | python* |
| 23:44.51 | Saeris | would have been nice if that article they posted went a little more in-depth with what's actually been added to the replay data |
| 23:45.04 | Saeris | even if it was just a link to a forum post on the subject |
| 23:47.46 | Zolden | JademusSreg: r u here? |
| 23:49.26 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: can we create a cutscene frame not connected to the game camera, but anchored to a map coordinates? And can we use a camera from one scene to render into a model from another scene? |
| 23:49.36 | Blizz-Artestru | Zolden: It's looking grim. We're thinking that maybe the best way to support this would be to add an easy way for a model to attach to the camera.. that way you'd just put your model in front of the camera. |
| 23:49.59 | Blizz-Artestru | The camera across scene thing appears to be what the problem is with your latest test. |
| 23:50.12 | Blizz-Artestru | You can create a cutscene inside the game world, but it will not be in a cutscene frame. |
| 23:50.26 | Blizz-Artestru | It'll be in the game world |
| 23:50.46 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: oh, yes, this would be cool |
| 23:52.35 | Zolden | will camera from gameworld be able to be rendered into the model within the scen within the frame? |
| 23:54.20 | Zolden | Blizz-Artestru: you may have seen this sad attempt to attach a rtt screen model to the game camera http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Dd-G4teLY |
| 23:54.47 | Zolden | so a new way to attach a model to the camera would be a salvation |
| 23:55.36 | Blizz-Artestru | yeah, you'd need an asynchronous/actor way to do that |
| 23:55.41 | Blizz-Artestru | triggers aren't fast enough |
| 23:55.44 | DeadZergling | heh, inspired Enexy to start working on Nigma again |
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