IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20130422

`00:00.57`	`Kubi`	`I like this ability, simple yet satisfying`
`00:01.08`	`Kubi`	`All it does is apply a behavior that makes targets invulnerable`
`00:01.32`	`A1win`	`now add a hearthstone`
`00:02.05`	`Kubi`	`Need a beam sound effect`
`00:02.10`	`Kubi`	`Then it is completed`
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`00:06.28`	`Kubi`	`Oh`
`00:06.33`	`Kubi`	`look at this Kaelten`
`00:06.39`	`Kubi`	`all fancy`
`00:06.42`	`Kubi`	`with +o`
`00:06.53`	`Kubi`	`I got news for you buddy`
`00:06.56`	`Kubi`	`420 BLAZE IT FAGGOT`
`00:10.43`	`Bibendus`	`aw shit`
`00:10.52`	`Bibendus`	`why can't I change the unit name style`
`00:14.04`	`Bibendus`	`!`
`00:14.06`	`Bibendus`	`constant! FUCK U`
`00:21.38`	`Kubi`	`YES`
`00:21.40`	`Kubi`	`SHOW YOUR ANGER.`
`00:21.43`	`Kubi`	`FEED THE DARK SIDE`
`00:24.29`	`Kubi`	`Ability complete`
`00:24.31`	`Kubi`	`now to make 6 levels`
`00:26.38`	`Kubi`	`My beam is backwards`
`00:26.40`	`Kubi`	`lol`
`00:33.17`	`Kubi`	`I swapped the beam and now it doesnt work if it targets a point`
`00:33.22`	`Kubi`	`but it does when targets a unit`
`00:34.16`	`A1win`	`what kind of UI element is used to animate ability cooldowns and autocasts and such?`
`00:34.22`	`A1win`	`can that be replicated with dialogs somehow?`
`00:58.33`	`Kubi`	`IDK`
`00:58.37`	`Kubi`	`STOP ASKING ME HARD QUESTIONS`
`01:02.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Zooop.`
`01:03.01`	`JademusSreg`	`And yes.`
`01:03.15`	`JademusSreg`	`It's an image frame with animation properties.`
`01:08.14`	`A1win`	`I'm thinking of putting the equipped weapons into a vertical column to the right side of the minimap and display their ammo next to the icon, and then put the fitting UI to bottom right of the UI, a row of icons for each slot on top of each other (in the same order as they are on top of the minimap + unclickable icons to make it even clearer which row is for which slot)`
`01:13.00`	`A1win`	`just wondering if it's a good idea to put all of the UI at the bottom, because then the space that it covers from the map itself is asymmetrical depending on where your team's base is (top or bottom) unless I make the stages vertically symmetric rather than diagonally`
`01:13.31`	`A1win`	`like if you're at top of the map, you can see less towards the other side of the map than if you're at the bottom of the map, if the UI takes a lot of space from the bottom`
`01:14.08`	`A1win`	`unless I flip the camera 180 degrees for the other team, but not sure if that's a good idea :P`
`01:15.06`	`A1win`	`maybe I could put the minimap to top-right instead and have weapon stuff in bottom-left, fitting in bottom-right, and some info stuff in top-left`
`01:15.33`	`A1win`	`but then you'd have to look everywhere on the UI... meh`
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`01:19.37`	`A1win`	`maybe I'll just make the minimap smaller z.z`
`01:19.38`	`A1win`	`<.<`
`01:21.33`	`A1win`	`http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/SC2%202013-04-22%2004-21-04-12.jpg`
`01:22.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Looks fiiine.`
`01:23.23`	`A1win`	`oops, score is showing wrong`
`01:33.40`	`A1win`	`whee now it clamps off-minimap unit dots to the edge of the minimap and fades out their transparency`
`01:35.17`	`A1win`	`neat`
`01:46.29`	`Kubi`	`FAGGOTS`
`01:55.47`	`JademusSreg`	`<3`
`01:55.49`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
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`02:01.16`	`jackthearcher`	`anyone good with requirements?`
`02:02.25`	`jackthearcher`	`Cause I seem to be doing something wrong with counting behaviors`
`02:02.43`	`jackthearcher`	`Anyone know how to do this with requirements or a blizzard example`
`02:04.21`	`Kueken`	`I assume on an explanation of "this"?`
`02:04.31`	`Kueken`	`*you are typing`
`02:04.39`	`Kueken`	`it ate my words o_0`
`02:05.10`	`jackthearcher`	`say what?`
`02:05.25`	`A1win`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMtEEDkr-Fs`
`02:05.32`	`Kueken`	`what do you want to do with the behavior?`
`02:05.45`	`Kueken`	`or requirement rather`
`02:06.03`	`jackthearcher`	`Count how many of a specific behavior is on a unit`
`02:06.55`	`jackthearcher`	`And I tried Use-`
`02:07.21`	`jackthearcher`	`count behavior rifle equipped- qued at unit`
`02:07.26`	`jackthearcher`	`and`
`02:07.32`	`jackthearcher`	`constant 1`
`02:07.35`	`Kueken`	`go to expression view and paste the line`
`02:07.49`	`jackthearcher`	`CountBehavior(RifleEquipped,QueuedOnly) && 1 == ()`
`02:08.27`	`Kueken`	`you want to check, if its 1, I assume?`
`02:08.32`	`jackthearcher`	`yea`
`02:08.50`	`Kueken`	`you might want to replace QueuedOnly with CompleteAtUnit`
`02:09.10`	`jackthearcher`	`i'll try that`
`02:09.10`	`Kueken`	`and also instead of && 1 ==0, use >=0`
`02:09.19`	`jackthearcher`	`ok`
`02:09.21`	`Kueken`	`or ==1 if oyu need it to be 1 specifically`
`02:09.39`	`Kueken`	`eh`
`02:09.42`	`Kueken`	`>0`
`02:09.50`	`Kueken`	`not >=`
`02:09.58`	`Kueken`	`obviously :D`
`02:10.20`	`jackthearcher`	`ok gonna test it`
`02:10.30`	`jackthearcher`	`hahaha`
`02:10.33`	`jackthearcher`	`Works`
`02:11.03`	`Kueken`	`you can go back to tree view to see what it looks like now, if you prefer the tree`
`02:11.46`	`jackthearcher`	`has 2 constants now`
`02:11.56`	`Kueken`	`o_0`
`02:12.09`	`jackthearcher`	`It seems to work`
`02:12.21`	`Kueken`	`CountBehavior(RifleEquipped,CompleteAtUnit) > 0`
`02:12.32`	`Kueken`	`thats what the line would probably look like`
`02:12.48`	`Kueken`	`should be only 1 constant`
`02:13.02`	`Kueken`	`but well if it works nvm`
`02:13.55`	`jackthearcher`	`yea that didn't work oddly enough`
`02:14.05`	`Kueken`	`:D`
`02:14.43`	`jackthearcher`	`thanks`
`02:15.01`	`jackthearcher`	`O i see why it didn't work`
`02:15.11`	`Kueken`	`well, the queued only was probably the main problem, since a behavior cannot even be queued`
`02:15.22`	`jackthearcher`	`right`
`02:15.31`	`jackthearcher`	`I didn't realize it could be completed either`
`02:15.34`	`jackthearcher`	`CountBehavior(RifleEquipped,CompleteOnlyAtUnit) > 0`
`02:15.38`	`jackthearcher`	`IS what worked`
`02:15.41`	`Kueken`	`ah`
`02:15.43`	`Kueken`	`only`
`02:15.45`	`Kueken`	`:D`
`02:15.46`	`Kueken`	`my bad`
`02:15.56`	`jackthearcher`	`Its fine was easy to fix`
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`02:21.09`	`________________`	`how do i give a portrait higher priority than a dialog... so it layers on top of a button`
`02:22.19`	`A1win`	`dunno but I've done that by changing the portrait's HDR/LDR setting thing, that seems to switch it to render above dialogs for some reason`
`02:22.29`	`A1win`	`not even sure if it matters which option you switch it into`
`02:22.35`	`________________`	`ic ic`
`02:22.36`	`________________`	`ill try that`
`02:22.50`	`A1win`	`maybe it can be done by layout editing or something, dunno`
`02:23.37`	`A1win`	`if all else fails, you can always use a negative dialog image to hide stuff ;p though not sure if it hides anything but other images`
`02:23.59`	`Kueken`	`________________: setting the portrait to LDR works, but it will be low quality then`
`02:24.14`	`________________`	`ew low quality`
`02:24.17`	`Kueken`	`and also always be in front of the dialog afaik`
`02:24.18`	`________________`	`):`
`02:24.33`	`________________`	`any way to keep it HQ and make it on top of a dialog?`
`02:24.54`	`A1win`	`try changing it to LDR and then back to HDR`
`02:25.05`	`________________`	`hmm, good 1.. will do`
`02:25.18`	`A1win`	`haven't tried it though, might not work`
`02:25.50`	`Kueken`	`I didn't find a way yet to make it work`
`02:26.15`	`A1win`	`does subtract image type subtract from other dialog items or just images?`
`02:27.01`	`________________`	`the LDR to HDR didnt work =\`
`02:27.14`	`________________`	`subtract... hmm never even seen tat action`
`02:27.16`	`________________`	`that*`
`02:27.18`	`A1win`	`could put a fully white image exactly the size of the portrait on top of the portrait and change its type to subtract`
`02:27.48`	`________________`	`ic ic`
`02:27.50`	`A1win`	`I haven't actually tried it so dunno how it even works`
`02:27.50`	`A1win`	`:P`
`02:27.56`	`A1win`	`but it should subtract color from... something`
`02:28.12`	`________________`	`that sounds like a good 1, but im only using the unit model from the potrait... none of its surroundings`
`02:28.18`	`________________`	`so that wouldnt fit my situation =\`
`02:28.22`	`A1win`	`oh`
`02:28.30`	`A1win`	`why not use a Model type dialog item?`
`02:28.44`	`________________`	`cuz i can't change it's color wit uhm`
`02:28.46`	`________________`	`custom colors`
`02:28.55`	`________________`	`like you can with an actor`
`02:29.11`	`A1win`	`tint or team color?`
`02:29.17`	`Kueken`	`there should be an Actor From Dialog Item action`
`02:29.18`	`A1win`	`I think you can change tint color of a model dialog`
`02:29.28`	`________________`	`hmm hmm`
`02:29.34`	`________________`	`i believe tint color only gives you set options`
`02:29.36`	`A1win`	`and there should be a function to just set tint color for a model dialog too`
`02:29.36`	`________________`	`ill check`
`02:29.41`	`________________`	`also`
`02:29.43`	`________________`	`i didnt know that`
`02:29.44`	`________________`	`lol`
`02:29.48`	`________________`	`gonna look into it`
`02:29.56`	`A1win`	`or I might remember wrong ;p`
`02:30.00`	`________________`	`;D`
`02:30.06`	`A1win`	`haven't used those, just think I saw it at some point`
`02:30.20`	`A1win`	`ugh... watch game of thrones or go to sleep D:`
`02:30.26`	`________________`	`game`
`02:31.00`	`A1win`	`it's 5:30 in the morning already but it's not like I need to wake up early :E`
`02:31.17`	`________________`	`exactly`
`02:31.40`	`A1win`	`I'll go take a shower first though >_>`
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`02:54.16`	`RooKz`	`been working on the level itself now and I managed these images...`
`02:54.46`	`RooKz`	`http://i.imgur.com/mIQPS9z.jpg http://i.imgur.com/FyCokWH.jpg http://i.imgur.com/SVR8vIv.jpg`
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`03:20.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Zooop.`
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`03:39.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Let's see if ConsoleCommands work on bnet.`
`04:12.15`	`Kubi`	`wut`
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`04:17.46`	`________________`	`where can i find a list of all the names of the possible cameras for dialog items`
`04:18.12`	`________________`	`its the same as the portait cameras i think`
`04:18.22`	`________________`	`but i don't know their names`
`04:19.13`	`JademusSreg`	`The models define their cameras. You can also set the camera. Plus, there are camera actors.`
`04:19.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Aaaand portrait layoute frames can define their own cameras as well.`
`04:19.45`	`________________`	`erm, for a dialog item... trying to set the camera i have to type it by hand`
`04:19.50`	`________________`	`thats why i need the names`
`04:19.55`	`________________`	`setting a dialog item camera`
`04:20.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Open the data module, go to the Camera tab. No big deal.`
`04:21.29`	`________________`	`that just shows the game view cameras`
`04:21.37`	`________________`	`not the possible portrait cameras`
`04:21.46`	`________________`	`):`
`04:21.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Cameras are cameras.`
`04:22.15`	`________________`	`mmk, lemme rephrase then`
`04:22.29`	`________________`	`where would I find the "TechPurchaseGhost" camera listed`
`04:22.40`	`________________`	`cuz where i'd find that, I'd also find the other cameras im looking for`
`04:25.00`	`JademusSreg`	`There are a lot of cameras. And that would be a model asset defined camera.`
`04:25.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Go to model tab, filter Camera, and bam.`
`04:25.51`	`JademusSreg`	`And each model could host up to 100+ cameras.`
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`05:26.36`	`Kubi`	`<________________>`
`05:26.38`	`Kubi`	`Fuck you`
`05:29.20`	`Kueken`	`fucks himself`
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`06:45.52`	`________________`	`~Kubi`
`06:45.53`	`purl`	`extra, extra, read all about it, kubi is a booze muse.`
`06:45.58`	`________________`	`hmmm`
`06:46.05`	`________________`	`that gives him too much credit`
`06:46.44`	`________________`	`mmk, fixed`
`06:55.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Wat's up, my dear ___?`
`07:21.13`	`________________`	`Nothing as of now o.o`
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`08:16.17`	`Monkalizer`	`is it possible to use the UI element Path to mark a path on the minimap and the map? or is it blizzard only?`
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`08:19.28`	`JademusSreg`	`???`
`08:19.34`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't understand the question.`
`08:19.50`	`Monkalizer`	`In the ui section of the trigger editor, there are these path actions`
`08:20.07`	`Monkalizer`	`I would like to use them to mark a path on the minimap and in the world`
`08:20.22`	`Monkalizer`	`in the campaigns the blizz-folks are using models to achieve this`
`08:20.30`	`Monkalizer`	`but these functions "seems" dedicated`
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`08:46.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Er, the Path API is not blizz only.`
`08:56.47`	`Monkalizer`	`hm... I could not get it to work, I used the arrow as ping model and then used the createActorAtPointFacing for the terrain arrows itself. Kind of works...`
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`11:22.10`	`G0A`	`Monkalizer those path UI animations do work`
`11:22.20`	`G0A`	`you can turn minimap show on off`
`11:23.04`	`G0A`	`though its range limited about 256, which is quite sad`
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`11:58.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Kueken, I meant to mention yesterday that I found got info on the scene actors via command ActorDumpLive.`
`11:59.10`	`JademusSreg`	`*-found`
`11:59.31`	`Kueken`	`go ahead`
`11:59.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Haven't studied it much, but what I skimmed over is fascinating.`
`12:04.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Also found that, under default settings at least, console commands don't work on bnet.`
`12:04.46`	`Kueken`	`what do you mean with "under default settings", any theories to circumvent the restriction?`
`12:06.47`	`JademusSreg`	`I have a few, which I will test in a bit. I figure there's something that limits access in some capacity, all the console commands I could get to work were exact mirrors of the normal game cheats, which begs the question what then is the purpose of the ConsoleCommand native?`
`12:08.08`	`Kueken`	`good point`
`12:09.02`	`JademusSreg`	`https://pastee.org/7uxpy`
`12:09.08`	`JademusSreg`	`There's the actor dump.`
`12:10.09`	`Kueken`	`you made a bunch of scenes on purpose?`
`12:10.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Nope. Those are there by default, it turns out.`
`12:10.29`	`Kueken`	`okay`
`12:10.52`	`Kueken`	`all of these exist in an empty map`
`12:11.11`	`Kueken`	`?`
`12:11.12`	`JademusSreg`	`The existed in a map where I certainly wasn't fucking around with UI.`
`12:11.34`	`Kueken`	`I see some vultures and spider mines`
`12:11.36`	`Kueken`	`:)`
`12:11.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`12:12.13`	`JademusSreg`	`I did several actor dumps, as the timestamps show.`
`12:13.04`	`Kueken`	`the scene actors don't seem to be related to the vultures or spidermines`
`12:13.08`	`Kueken`	`which makes sense`
`12:13.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Notice in the first the game world, the three unit model frame hosting scenes, then the portrait host.`
`12:14.22`	`JademusSreg`	`The stereoscopic options unit exists for, I guess, making shit 3d?`
`12:14.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Bit of a mystery to me.`
`12:14.41`	`Kueken`	`maybe`
`12:16.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Actually, I'll paste an unedited version. I fear my overzealous formatting may have damaged some useful information.`
`12:17.05`	`JademusSreg`	`https://pastee.org/g75bw`
`12:19.28`	`Kueken`	`thats 2 calls of DumpActorsLive total?`
`12:19.42`	`JademusSreg`	`It doesn't appear the scene actor does much of anything. =\`
`12:19.44`	`JademusSreg`	`And yes.`
`12:20.02`	`Kueken`	`its just kind of... there`
`12:20.06`	`Kueken`	`:D`
`12:20.09`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`12:20.28`	`Kueken`	`I wonder if we could manipulate it in any way, even if we had access`
`12:20.38`	`JademusSreg`	`I'll consult the API.`
`12:21.20`	`Kueken`	`did you notice the indexes for the scenes?`
`12:21.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`12:21.37`	`Kueken`	`ActorizedScene 1,3,5 and 8`
`12:21.46`	`Kueken`	`I wonder whats that about`
`12:21.47`	`JademusSreg`	`That looks like array and id notation.`
`12:22.15`	`Kueken`	`yes, but why skip? limited index ranges for specific scene applications?`
`12:22.29`	`JademusSreg`	`# is used for displaying ids in a number of cases.`
`12:22.50`	`JademusSreg`	`I figure those indexes are reserved for certain purposes.`
`12:23.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Specifically, battlereport, merc, planet maybe.`
`12:24.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Confirmed the Battlereport and Merc APIs make use of them.`
`12:25.11`	`Kueken`	`okay`
`12:26.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Need to probe the contents of the scene actors for useful information at some point.`
`12:26.52`	`JademusSreg`	`But I am rather skeptical.`
`12:27.35`	`Kueken`	`scene actor doesn't raise hopes there, no scope, no content, no properties for all of them :)`
`12:29.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Worse, the divisions of context suggests that information sharing is likely not feasible.`
`12:32.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Although the Portrait API looks interesting. I wonder how it might be manipulated. Especially considering they can be made arbitrarily.`
`12:33.50`	`JademusSreg`	`native int PortraitGetTriggerControl (int inControlId); might be more effective at setting RTT channel than setting channel from the dialog control.`
`12:34.34`	`JademusSreg`	`But even so, not as good as hijacking the scene, which seems impossible.`
`12:34.57`	`Kueken`	`hm`
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`13:19.31`	`Dogmai`	`designs can relate`
`13:19.33`	`Dogmai`	`http://www.boredpanda.com/sharp-suits-worst-client-comment-posters/`
`13:20.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`13:21.54`	`Dustin`	`Morning gentlemen`
`13:22.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Good morning, Dustin.`
`13:50.19`	`A1win`	`mmh... what should happen if one team has so much score that the other team can't get more for the rest of the round even if they controlled all areas D:`
`13:50.33`	`A1win`	`or maybe some ways to make that at least a bit uncertain...`
`13:50.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Don't base it on time...`
`13:50.43`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`13:51.04`	`A1win`	`oh right <.<`
`13:51.11`	`A1win`	`I can base it on score too :x`
`13:51.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Seriously, but first we need to clarify some points.`
`13:51.35`	`JademusSreg`	`How does teams score points?`
`13:51.42`	`JademusSreg`	`*do`
`13:51.47`	`A1win`	`by having the control of an area`
`13:51.51`	`A1win`	`you gain score over time`
`13:52.04`	`A1win`	`so the first team to x points wins, pretty clear`
`13:52.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, and can an area ever not be controlled by a team besides the initial pre-capture period?`
`13:52.48`	`A1win`	`yeah they become neutral ín the middle of the capture progress`
`13:52.57`	`A1win`	`so technically it can be a draw D:`
`13:52.59`	`A1win`	`mmh`
`13:53.03`	`JademusSreg`	`I'd advise against that, personally.`
`13:53.18`	`JademusSreg`	`That's why I proposed a factor, influence oriented approach.`
`13:53.50`	`A1win`	`just gain points for being in an area?`
`13:54.10`	`JademusSreg`	`The units nearby influence the rate of capture, but it never should cease to belong to someone.`
`13:54.25`	`A1win`	`mmh yeah if it's not time based, that'd be better`
`13:54.26`	`Dogmai`	`~seen blizz-deletarius`
`13:54.29`	`purl`	`blizz-deletarius <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 58d 21h 42m 18s ago, saying: 'I believe it is possible, but I'm not exactly sure which actor message it is'.`
`13:54.29`	`Dogmai`	`~seen blizz-artestry`
`13:54.29`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'blizz-artestry', Dogmai`
`13:54.32`	`Dogmai`	`~seen blizz-artestru`
`13:54.32`	`purl`	`blizz-artestru <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 34d 13h 14m 7s ago, saying: 'Kueken\|afk: If you have ever played an RTS probably not. But that doesn't mean some people won't find it the appropriate challenge.'.`
`13:54.37`	`Dogmai`	`~seen blizztenarsis`
`13:54.37`	`purl`	`blizztenarsis <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 61d 11h 45m 29s ago, saying: 'going to go, cya tomorrow'.`
`13:54.41`	`Dogmai`	`~seen blizz-tenarsis`
`13:54.41`	`purl`	`blizz-tenarsis <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 177d 13h 32m 46s ago, saying: 'have a good weekend everyone, logging off for today'.`
`13:55.40`	`A1win`	`maybe the controller should only change after you fully capture an area?`
`13:55.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Imagine you have a circle or bar, with a red-filled side and a blue-filled side. When red team has complete control, the blue-filled side isn't visible, but if they bring over enough people, they can gain some influence over the territory.`
`13:56.13`	`A1win`	`yeah that's how it works now, except with the neutral area in the middle`
`13:56.14`	`JademusSreg`	`It would be difficult, not impossible, but difficult to balance it on the half-way point such that no one gains points.`
`13:57.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Simply remove the neutral phase, make it aware points based on whichever team has more influence, and you have a game with implicit timing within known parameters.`
`13:57.08`	`JademusSreg`	`*award`
`13:57.40`	`A1win`	`the control of the area also changes to the team who has more influence on it`
`13:57.52`	`A1win`	`and you only gain points for areas you control`
`13:58.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, that's quite the point, I dare say.`
`13:58.06`	`A1win`	`hehe`
`13:58.12`	`A1win`	`how will the initial capture work though`
`13:58.36`	`A1win`	`err actually`
`13:59.35`	`A1win`	`are you saying influence is the number of ships in the area, or that influence is gained by having ships in the area?`
`14:00.32`	`JademusSreg`	`The latter, but also using it more loosely to describe the state of control over an area. I can clarify.`
`14:02.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Ships exert influence over a territory, and that influence builds up like opposing counters for each team. So Team 1's influence over a territory might be, say, 70% (or exactly 70 influence points), and Team 2's influence might be 30%, so Team 1 gains points for controlling the territory.`
`14:03.34`	`JademusSreg`	`If at that state, there are an equal number of Team 1 and Team 2 players influencing the territory, the % doesn't change.`
`14:03.53`	`A1win`	`alright, sounds like we're thinking of the same thing then :P`
`14:04.28`	`JademusSreg`	`If a Team 1 player leaves the territory, then Team 2 outnumbers Team 1 and the influence counter begins to increase for Team 2 and decrease for Team 1.`
`14:04.34`	`A1win`	`it's exactly like that know except for the neutral zone in the influence tracker`
`14:04.46`	`A1win`	`*now`
`14:04.47`	`A1win`	`x_x`
`14:06.16`	`JademusSreg`	`And this change would be at a rate consistent with the amount of influence exerted by the player, more players, the faster the rate (linearly, of course).`
`14:06.32`	`A1win`	`yeah`
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`14:07.11`	`A1win`	`I just have a value that ranges from -x to +x, one team adds to it for each ship in the area and one team subtracts from it`
`14:07.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Fair enough.`
`14:08.08`	`JademusSreg`	`That would be a neat thing to show on the planet or in the territory itself.`
`14:08.17`	`SaVi`	`Greetings to all!`
`14:08.21`	`A1win`	`mm not sure how though`
`14:08.49`	`A1win`	`so I'm just wondering how the initial capturing happens from neutral`
`14:09.09`	`A1win`	`I don't think it should be instant to the team who gets there first :x`
`14:09.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, your implementation does make that a bit problematic.`
`14:10.25`	`A1win`	`that can be changed`
`14:10.31`	`A1win`	`it's not like it's a lot of code :P`
`14:11.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Storing the influence each team would be optimal.`
`14:11.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Instead of -x to +x`
`14:11.42`	`JademusSreg`	`And puts it in a better position to be extended if desired in the future.`
`14:12.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Anything from multiple AI hostiles to multiple player teams or decaying influence or whatever.`
`14:12.29`	`A1win`	`so it'll only decrease the other team's influence if the sum of influences is 100%?`
`14:13.14`	`A1win`	`haha I wouldn't dream of making an AI controlled ship in this gravity field :P`
`14:13.47`	`JademusSreg`	`If x>y, influence should increment for the greater influencer and decrease for the lesser influencer by the appropriate amount.`
`14:14.27`	`A1win`	`but I mean in the beginning when both x and y are 0 and controller is neutral`
`14:14.28`	`JademusSreg`	`In that case, x is greater and gains influence at the expense of y's share.`
`14:14.34`	`A1win`	`should it allow both teams to gain influence at equal rate`
`14:15.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Er, I do not parse that question.`
`14:15.07`	`A1win`	`haha`
`14:15.18`	`A1win`	`at the start, both teams have 0% influence`
`14:15.29`	`A1win`	`and the areas aren't controlled by anyone`
`14:15.31`	`JademusSreg`	`And Neutral has 100.`
`14:15.50`	`A1win`	`so there's one ship from each team there`
`14:15.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, yes, Neutral doesn't exert influence, so its share would be claimed without resistance.`
`14:15.59`	`A1win`	`do both teams gain influence until they have 50%`
`14:16.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`14:16.20`	`A1win`	`mm alright, makes sense ;p`
`14:16.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Depending on the update rate and radius, it would probably be difficult to maintain that 50% for long.`
`14:17.26`	`A1win`	`mm`
`14:17.30`	`JademusSreg`	`This is similar to the victory conditions for Dawn of War 2, except DoW/CoH games have terrible pacing.`
`14:18.23`	`A1win`	`hehe`
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`14:30.51`	`Dogmai`	`go`
`14:30.52`	`Dogmai`	`shoo`
`14:31.01`	`Dogmai`	`no religion in here`
`14:31.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah. If only that were the case.`
`14:33.01`	`SaVi`	`Do you guys have some hints for improving latency in Bnet? I have a Map where you use WASD and Mouse Movement.. it works but you are feeling the latency`
`14:33.18`	`Dogmai`	`you cannot change the laws of physics`
`14:33.26`	`Dogmai`	`the laws of physics`
`14:33.30`	`Dogmai`	`the laws of physics`
`14:33.32`	`Dogmai`	`you cannot change the laws of physics`
`14:33.37`	`Dogmai`	`scotty beam me up`
`14:33.55`	`Dogmai`	`or close enough`
`14:34.15`	`SaVi`	`aha`
`14:34.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Savi, you only need one trigger for all keys, one or two triggers for all mouse buttons, one for movement. You should not be doing anything in those triggers besides assigning input to variables. You should only have one update thread.`
`14:35.42`	`JademusSreg`	`*mouse movement`
`14:37.03`	`SaVi`	`Currently I have 8 Triggers (1 for each) that saves the input in Booleans (they turn themself off and wait 0.0625 seconds to turn them back on) and then one "Game Loop" Trigger in which I Issue the Units and use the variables and so on.. so that is already too much?`
`14:37.13`	`SaVi`	`1 for each player*`
`14:37.37`	`JademusSreg`	`See above. You don't need one for each player.`
`14:38.15`	`A1win`	`there's no use for turning them off for 0.0625 seconds`
`14:38.20`	`JademusSreg`	`^`
`14:38.22`	`SaVi`	`wait wait wait`
`14:38.55`	`SaVi`	`this is for mouse movement.. I want to constantly turn the turrets of the units so that they are facing to the direction of the mouse.. thats why they turn of!`
`14:39.10`	`SaVi`	`in these triggers I save the mouse positions which I use in Game Loop`
`14:39.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Still not necessary.`
`14:39.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Gimme a moment to finish coding this. I remember I showed my demo to someone on bnet, but I forget who.`
`14:40.12`	`G0A`	`Savi it is said that preplaced units help lower latency`
`14:40.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Goa, whoever says that is wrong.`
`14:40.45`	`JademusSreg`	`What is does do, though, is add their references automagically to the preload list.`
`14:41.00`	`G0A`	`Bounty said it helped him in Photon Synergy`
`14:41.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Bounty is not known for his technical proficiency.`
`14:41.27`	`G0A`	`And yeah we discussed it that it shouldnt help at all but he said so`
`14:41.35`	`A1win`	`he said that for some other map, which I tried, and the latency seemed just the same as in any other wasd map`
`14:42.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Again, all it does is add the references to the preload list, which prevents lag from loading the data or assets to memory.`
`14:42.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Which is just as easily done through other means.`
`14:42.17`	`SaVi`	`One Mouse Trigger looks like that: https://pastee.org/dhr6c`
`14:42.20`	`A1win`	`would have to compare too identical cases where one map has preloaded units and one not`
`14:42.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Savi, that accomplishes nothing except make it less responsive.`
`14:43.10`	`JademusSreg`	`The wait is useless.`
`14:43.32`	`A1win`	`my mouse trigger looks like this: https://pastee.org/s9wrt`
`14:44.02`	`A1win`	`(there's only one of them)`
`14:44.04`	`SaVi`	`lol its really useless?! xD`
`14:44.22`	`SaVi`	`i thought giving him a break would reduce lag`
`14:44.25`	`JademusSreg`	`https://pastee.org/346jj`
`14:44.42`	`JademusSreg`	`It doesn't. The player input is going to sync regardless.`
`14:44.43`	`A1win`	`the wait that turns it off would turn it off after the event is handled by the server, not instantly when the player moves the mouse`
`14:44.59`	`G0A`	`How Blizz fucked up US WCS tournament http://bit.ly/11DKB6g`
`14:45.11`	`JademusSreg`	`All it will do is fuck up the trigger catching other player input.`
`14:45.30`	`SaVi`	`thats why I had 8 of them`
`14:45.43`	`SaVi`	`mhh okay I will remove it`
`14:45.46`	`JademusSreg`	`And that's pointless too.`
`14:46.14`	`G0A`	`JademusSreg and what if you use preplaced unit's command card to register hotkeys?`
`14:46.32`	`G0A`	`I guess thats what Bounty is doing`
`14:46.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Goa, see Map > Preload Info`
`14:47.23`	`SaVi`	`Why do you return a true value at the end of everything ?`
`14:47.25`	`A1win`	`if you wear your underwear on your head and run around the house 5 times, it'll magically make battle.net latency drop from 125ms to 25ms`
`14:47.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Savi, because those are trigger functions.`
`14:48.10`	`SaVi`	`oh`
`14:48.12`	`SaVi`	`now i see`
`14:48.19`	`G0A`	`A1win and who knows you might be right, I seen weirder stuff in the editor.D`
`14:48.37`	`A1win`	`whee now I have influence tracker for each team`
`14:48.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Yay.`
`14:49.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Savi, want to test my demo which uses that script?`
`14:50.12`	`SaVi`	`There wont be much difference to my solution when testing offline, will it?`
`14:50.17`	`SaVi`	`https://pastee.org/mjt23`
`14:50.25`	`SaVi`	`everyone happy now? :D`
`14:50.31`	`A1win`	`if you think something "causes lag", the game would start to drop frames instead of becoming less responsive, that's what the minimum latency limit is for`
`14:50.34`	`JademusSreg`	`One must test on bnet.`
`14:50.54`	`A1win`	`I mean it'd start to "pause" periodically`
`14:51.07`	`SaVi`	`frame drops`
`14:51.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Yar.`
`14:51.15`	`A1win`	`like you can see in a lot of team vs team ladder games where one player's frames are dropping, it affects everyone`
`14:51.19`	`A1win`	`the game begins to stutter`
`14:51.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Performance chunks, players drop like flies.`
`14:51.27`	`JademusSreg`	`*chugs`
`14:52.01`	`SaVi`	`is it possible to combine Mouse Down / Mousre Up in one trigger?`
`14:52.15`	`SaVi`	`ye Mousre... Mouse* i mean`
`14:52.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Er, what?`
`14:52.31`	`A1win`	`not to one event, but nothing stops you from putting both events into one trigger`
`14:52.48`	`A1win`	`but it's essentially the same as having two separate triggers`
`14:52.57`	`SaVi`	`ye but how do i know then if it is Clicked or released`
`14:53.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, mouse button.`
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`14:53.17`	`A1win`	`there's probably a function to get that`
`14:53.35`	`SaVi`	`but you said there wont be much difference?`
`14:53.36`	`A1win`	`but there's no harm in using separate triggers`
`14:53.40`	`SaVi`	`k`
`14:53.48`	`A1win`	`it doesn't make any difference performance wise`
`14:54.18`	`A1win`	`it just executes the code from different part of the script, basically :X`
`14:54.34`	`SaVi`	`https://pastee.org/en3ea https://pastee.org/dj4pa`
`14:54.44`	`SaVi`	`mhh okay`
`14:55.03`	`A1win`	`you could combine those key events into "any player presses any key"`
`14:55.51`	`SaVi`	`he will check it anyway?`
`14:55.54`	`A1win`	`it'll send the input for all keys anyway`
`14:56.12`	`SaVi`	`So it again doesnt change anything? XD`
`14:56.15`	`A1win`	`so now it's checking it 4 times`
`14:56.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Syncas gonna sync.`
`14:56.22`	`A1win`	`if you have just one, it'll check it oly once`
`14:56.26`	`A1win`	`*only`
`14:56.30`	`SaVi`	`lol`
`14:56.31`	`JademusSreg`	`May as well get all the input in one go.`
`14:57.07`	`A1win`	`mmh where was I...`
`14:57.17`	`SaVi`	`i feel trolled by the editor`
`14:57.25`	`JademusSreg`	`I may have thought of a more optimal approach to my mouse tracking.`
`14:57.58`	`SaVi`	`so now he will check the mouse positions every 0.0625 seconds automatically?`
`14:58.40`	`A1win`	`there's one problem with mouse tracking though, if your mouse stays still and the camera moves, the mouse world position will not update`
`14:59.18`	`SaVi`	`so for example adding a event: blabalba Unit is moving?`
`14:59.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, that is troublesome.`
`14:59.46`	`A1win`	`I update my stored mouse coordinates when moving the camera in addition to moving/clicking the mouse`
`15:00.04`	`A1win`	`but in a 3D landscape it becomes more difficult`
`15:00.06`	`SaVi`	`that wouldnt be that usefull in my map`
`15:00.32`	`SaVi`	`i want to let the turret follow the mouse even when the unit isnt moving and the camera is following the unit`
`15:01.21`	`A1win`	`I store the camera position into a variable, and in the next frame, I compare the previous position to the currente position, and adjust the mouse coordinates accordingly`
`15:02.49`	`A1win`	`which makes me wonder why I update them after handling everything in that frame instead of as the first thing <.<`
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`15:04.42`	`SaVi`	`mhh I assume you guys dont have time for a small test? :P`
`15:04.53`	`JademusSreg`	`When?`
`15:05.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Or rather, which region and when?`
`15:05.32`	`SaVi`	`when you have time and europe`
`15:06.03`	`SaVi`	`nothing big^^ just drive a bit along and shoot .. ca. 5 minutes xD`
`15:06.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure, in about half an hour, and provided you test my demo as a basis for comparison.`
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`15:06.47`	`Zandose`	`hello`
`15:06.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Zoop.`
`15:07.11`	`SaVi`	`if you give me the map, sure`
`15:07.39`	`SaVi`	`was it the one with the high templar?`
`15:07.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes. Did you test it on bnet?`
`15:08.05`	`SaVi`	`not yet, but I will do withing the next 20 minutes`
`15:08.10`	`twodie`	`where is Zolden disappeared? :/`
`15:08.14`	`Zandose`	`does the game have a mouse over highlight? i think i remember something like when you move the mouse over a unit it highlights it.`
`15:08.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Alright. Do that, Sav, and in about a half hour I should be available to test.`
`15:09.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Zan, yes, but most units and shit disable it because it can lag horrendously.`
`15:09.26`	`Zandose`	`its not a local thing?`
`15:09.52`	`JademusSreg`	`It is unless it's being synced, iirc.`
`15:10.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Like if you're detecting the event.`
`15:10.11`	`Zandose`	`i see`
`15:10.18`	`Zandose`	`that doesnt sound too bad`
`15:10.39`	`Zandose`	`unless its doing something funky?`
`15:10.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Dunno. I've not had need to use it, personally.`
`15:11.47`	`A1win`	`the story mode map uses it for the clickable stuff in the scene`
`15:11.47`	`Zandose`	`ok. well im going to play with it for a bit. i had a idea`
`15:11.56`	`A1win`	`take a look at that maybe`
`15:12.01`	`A1win`	`WoL story mode that is`
`15:12.15`	`A1win`	`it enables Halo for the units, not sure if it's an actor event or scripted`
`15:12.21`	`A1win`	`since singleplayer doesn't lag anyway`
`15:12.40`	`A1win`	`but I seem to recall it being a local actor event`
`15:13.03`	`A1win`	`oh yeah it is, I used it in my goliath map`
`15:13.34`	`A1win`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEm7F7T309Q`
`15:14.31`	`A1win`	`that map has a neat UI and stuff but I never figured out anything interesting for the actual gameplay :P`
`15:17.16`	`Dogmai`	`I am not anti-social, I am anti-stupid.`
`15:17.38`	`Zandose`	`@ A1win, the highlighting of the mech?`
`15:17.45`	`A1win`	`yeah`
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`15:22.27`	`gooose`	`i want a unit to use 4 different models based on a behavior`
`15:22.48`	`gooose`	`so i know about modelswap but can i actually do it that way?`
`15:23.02`	`gooose`	`(i dont know HOW it works exactly just that it exists`
`15:23.15`	`gooose`	`so can i do that or should i create 4 units?`
`15:23.16`	`A1win`	`Behavior.something.on -> modelswap`
`15:24.35`	`gooose`	`does it work if i apply the behavior via trigger?`
`15:24.39`	`Dustin`	`Goose, add an Actor Event with the details A1wingave`
`15:24.41`	`Dustin`	`Yes`
`15:25.07`	`Dustin`	`Apply the Behavior via triggers and itll trigger the actior event Behavior.On`
`15:25.25`	`gooose`	`ok thats what i wanted to know ty :)`
`15:26.02`	`A1win`	`gooose, you can just send a message to modelswap via triggers without even having a behavior`
`15:26.06`	`Zandose`	`is there any way to alter the highlighting effect to use something else?`
`15:26.27`	`A1win`	`Send Actor Message To Unit`
`15:26.28`	`Dustin`	`Yeah I was going to suggest that, but he sounded like he had a reason for needing behaviors`
`15:26.31`	`gooose`	`mh... i need to change abilities as well ^^`
`15:26.44`	`gooose`	`so i can just do that with stack count requirements`
`15:28.10`	`gooose`	`does behavior expires still ocuur after a unit death (or does a units death cause the expire effect as well?)`
`15:29.45`	`Dustin`	`It will play the original models death animation I think`
`15:30.03`	`Dustin`	`But yes Ibelieve that a unit death trigger Behavior.Off`
`15:31.32`	`Kueken`	`gooose: not the expire effect, but the final effect, I believe`
`15:31.50`	`Kueken`	`the expire effect is only executed, if the behavior wears off "naturally"`
`15:32.01`	`gooose`	`ok ty`
`15:32.17`	`gooose`	`is the part with the death animation the case?`
`15:32.41`	`Kueken`	`death will trigger final, but not expire`
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`15:32.44`	`gooose`	`that would really mess up my "only need one unit" plan`
`15:32.58`	`Kueken`	`what do you mean with animation?`
`15:33.11`	`Kueken`	`did you ask something earlier?`
`15:33.21`	`gooose`	`[17:29] <Dustin> It will play the original models death animation I think`
`15:33.43`	`Kueken`	`ah, modelswap`
`15:33.46`	`Kueken`	`:)`
`15:34.05`	`Kueken`	`you can customize the death animations as done with the Dark Templar for example`
`15:34.23`	`Kueken`	`based on variations, it switches portrait, wireframe, death animation...`
`15:34.33`	`Kueken`	`you can do the same based on behaviors`
`15:35.16`	`gooose`	`Does it still play the death animation of the original unit if i did swap the model?`
`15:35.32`	`Kueken`	`if you don't take care of it, yes`
`15:35.50`	`Kueken`	`most likely that is, some models use themselves as their death model`
`15:35.56`	`Kueken`	`but most use separate ones`
`15:35.58`	`gooose`	`fuck...`
`15:36.25`	`gooose`	`so ok the camera will pan away from the dieing unit anyway so i ll just make it invisible :P`
`15:36.47`	`Kueken`	`lazy bastard`
`15:36.50`	`Kueken`	`;)`
`15:38.03`	`gooose`	`hehe maybe i ll change it if ppl complain (if that is ever the case :P)`
`15:38.25`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:38.34`	`gooose`	`*e`
`15:38.52`	`Kueken`	`oh, I know the feeling`
`15:39.02`	`Kueken`	`noone should ever see my script, ever`
`15:40.05`	`SaVi`	`your map works really well relating to the latency, jade`
`15:40.33`	`Kueken`	`he probably has a deal with Blizzard and they tone down latency for his map`
`15:41.12`	`JademusSreg`	`It certainly couldn't be the code. Must be a diabological Faustian deal.`
`15:41.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, diabolical.`
`15:41.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Though "diabological" sounds interesting in its own right.`
`15:41.59`	`Kueken`	`you always had a diabolic sense of logic, my dear :-*`
`15:42.14`	`JademusSreg`	`<3`
`15:43.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Even though I've not yet found a means by which to enable console commands on bnet, I wnet ahead and extended the Cmd script to hold an array of function references to call on.`
`15:43.40`	`Kueken`	`:D`
`15:43.45`	`Kueken`	`"just in case"`
`15:43.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Haven't tested it yet, but it looks nice. Should simplify registering non-console commands.`
`15:44.47`	`JademusSreg`	`https://pastee.org/qs7km`
`15:46.10`	`Dustin`	`Jade`
`15:46.13`	`Dustin`	`What does that do?`
`15:46.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, it's just some thrown together prototype code. It's for chat command registration.`
`15:47.51`	`Dustin`	`Ahhh`
`15:48.05`	`Kueken`	`hm`
`15:48.25`	`Kueken`	`I want to make a medic/medivac like heal`
`15:48.28`	`JademusSreg`	`There are probably some bugs, but it compiles, so I'll move on to something else until I need it.`
`15:48.53`	`Kueken`	`but it should allow casting while moving, while still being able to be autocasted and targeted etc`
`15:49.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Input could probably benefit from a spot of refactoring, and Controller needs its own little function stack, too.`
`15:49.46`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
`15:49.48`	`Kueken`	`so I used the same ability into create healer the medic uses`
`15:50.43`	`Kueken`	`but well, I can either make it channeled, which causes it not to work while moving, or not channeled, which causes the heal to be instand and the healer burns all energy instantly`
`15:51.12`	`Kueken`	`any obvious flags I am missing?`
`15:51.27`	`Kueken`	`or do I need to simulate the entire thing with a behavior`
`15:53.45`	`Dustin`	`I couldn't get my healer crap to work, so I just use a stacked behavior that increases life regen for my heals =/`
`15:55.02`	`Kueken`	`my healer follows the caster by default, via a move commad executed on caster at creation`
`15:55.27`	`Kueken`	`and as soon as the caster moves an inch, the heal is interrupted, even if he never went out of range`
`15:55.35`	`Kueken`	`which is slightly irritating`
`15:58.27`	`gooose`	`kueken a weapon?`
`15:58.38`	`Kueken`	`nope, autocast ability`
`15:58.51`	`Kueken`	`effect - target`
`15:59.10`	`Kueken`	`into create healer effect`
`15:59.33`	`gooose`	`yea but why not use a weapon with a turret`
`15:59.45`	`gooose`	`with the heal effect as effect`
`16:00.13`	`Kueken`	`because I'd like to turn off autocast ;)`
`16:00.42`	`gooose`	`then add a validator has behavior`
`16:00.49`	`gooose`	`make tha autocast apply a behavior`
`16:01.02`	`Kueken`	`yes, I am afraind I have to do that`
`16:01.05`	`gooose`	`^^`
`16:01.06`	`Kueken`	`*afraid`
`16:01.19`	`gooose`	`well...`
`16:01.30`	`gooose`	`i think there is a deactivate weapon ability command`
`16:02.02`	`Kueken`	`yeah probably, but then I'd rather use a behavior :D`
`16:02.06`	`gooose`	`so you cant use right click to deactivate autocast anymore but you wont have to do the behavior validator stuff`
`16:02.24`	`Kueken`	`was hoping I just missed some obvious flag or something`
`16:03.23`	`Kueken`	`I would need to simulate the entire create healer effect anyway, including the cost, validators for target hp and caster energy etc etc...`
`16:03.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Zooop.`
`16:04.26`	`Kueken`	`well, going to do that now, then :D`
`16:04.50`	`Kueken`	`unless our favourite Zoooper has some input on the subject`
`16:05.51`	`JademusSreg`	`The text is messy. Have an abridged version?`
`16:06.19`	`SaVi`	`jade, do you have time now?`
`16:06.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure.`
`16:06.28`	`SaVi`	`or maybe someone else too?`
`16:06.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Just testing responsiveness?`
`16:07.11`	`SaVi`	`ye`
`16:07.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Alright. Will make a quick test of it.`
`16:07.31`	`Kueken`	`oh well, nvm, it only behaves strangely on move commands`
`16:07.51`	`Kueken`	`for attack, patrol, attackmove, whatever it heals constantly`
`16:08.34`	`SaVi`	`is your ingame name jade too?`
`16:08.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Same name evarwar.`
`16:09.44`	`SaVi`	`come into sc2mapster group chat or add me Savi.509`
`16:12.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Sav, your loadscreen text needs to be more distinct against the background.`
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`16:15.15`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`morning everyone`
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`16:16.05`	`mille25`	`hey everyone`
`16:16.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi thar.`
`16:17.14`	`mille25`	`jademus :D <3`
`16:17.18`	`JademusSreg`	`<3`
`16:17.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Del, should this arrival be interpreted as an incoming patch?`
`16:18.06`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`nope`
`16:18.12`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`just thought I'd come and say hi :)`
`16:18.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
`16:18.20`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`been away for too long`
`16:18.22`	`Kueken`	`oh my god`
`16:18.33`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`but, been way too busy lately unfortunately :(`
`16:18.35`	`mille25`	`whats going on at blizz btw? has been very quite recently.`
`16:18.39`	`Kueken`	`first Blizzguy since 2+months, I believe?`
`16:18.43`	`Kueken`	`welcome`
`16:18.47`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`heh, thanks`
`16:18.53`	`JademusSreg`	`*quiet, dear Philipp. =D`
`16:18.53`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`yea, well, with HoTS coming out`
`16:19.06`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`that was taking up most of our attention/time`
`16:19.17`	`mille25`	`fucking english! :D`
`16:19.28`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`plus other projects, the custom observer ui, bug fixes, etc`
`16:19.32`	`Kueken`	`but now you came to a point where you actually miss us <3`
`16:19.55`	`mille25`	`the observer ui seems kinda underused unfortunatly`
`16:19.58`	`JademusSreg`	`I have some questions, if you have the time.`
`16:20.00`	`mille25`	`didnt see it much yet in tournaments`
`16:20.02`	`mille25`	`i think GSL uses it?`
`16:20.07`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`Code S uses it`
`16:20.11`	`mille25`	`yeah`
`16:20.14`	`mille25`	`but besides?`
`16:20.18`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`I saw a few tournies over the weekend use it as well`
`16:20.34`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`1 used a modified version of the minimal ui and another used the launch ui`
`16:20.59`	`mille25`	`well i guess its a feature that needs time to get popular`
`16:21.01`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`jademus, sure, I hope I can help ou :)`
`16:21.12`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`out*`
`16:21.34`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`yea, the main thing is...unfortunately people are averse to change`
`16:21.35`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`ie`
`16:21.55`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`the minimal ui which is awesome, but, people think that you NEEEEEEEEEEED minerals/gas on at all times`
`16:22.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Any portions of the API open up since 1.5? How long do strings remain in the (I imagine) the string table after the references have been deallocated? What function do the Scene actors server? My attempts at hijacking them have been fruitless, given the separate scene contexts.`
`16:22.26`	`JademusSreg`	`*serve`
`16:22.43`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`when the only times you actually need to see the resources is: first few mins to see if they're rushing, and possibly at the end when it's super late-game, and the person can re-max like 7x over - but then again, isn't that a caster's job?`
`16:23.08`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`jademus, unfortunately I don't know the answers to any of those :( sorry`
`16:23.13`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`have youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu`
`16:23.13`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`sec`
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`16:23.48`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`well have you checked/posted those questions on the forums?`
`16:23.58`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`if so I can direct the appropriate people to the thread`
`16:24.10`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`unfortunately people are still arriving to work, so I wouldn't be able to get you an answer atm`
`16:24.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Figured hijacking a frame's scene would be better than even than RTT, given its rather severe limitations.`
`16:24.23`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`well`
`16:24.34`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`ok sec, I can ask about the scene thing`
`16:24.36`	`mille25`	`JademusSreg: why do you need to know how long strings remain in the string table? :D`
`16:25.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, mostly I tinker until I figure things out; posting on the forums would waste more time than it saves, though I am not averse to google site:someforums.wherever.`
`16:25.41`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`Jade, what are you trying to do`
`16:25.48`	`JademusSreg`	`mille, because I use strings for a variety of things, including Lists. =D`
`16:25.50`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`also, RTT will be better soon`
`16:25.54`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`tm`
`16:26.00`	`Kueken`	`Jade tries to break the game`
`16:26.11`	`Kueken`	`and tbh, I think hes already pretty good at it`
`16:26.17`	`Kueken`	`;)`
`16:26.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Del, I was attempting to interact with the actors for portrait and cutscene scenes.`
`16:26.40`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`hmmm, alright`
`16:26.42`	`JademusSreg`	`No dice, though it was informative.`
`16:27.09`	`Kueken`	`also, quick question: An Effect - Instant ability expects an order without target, but when checked via trigger uses a targeted order. Is this intended?`
`16:27.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Figured hooking up a Camera actor to it might work, but apparently there's limited cross-scene context communication.`
`16:27.36`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`not sure Kueken`
`16:27.49`	`Kueken`	`caused some issues re-issuing the same order`
`16:28.13`	`Kueken`	`nothing not fixable, but slightly counter-intuitive :D`
`16:28.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Hell, if I could get a Camera in the game world scene context to hook up with a portrait scene's rendering, that would beat RTT by no small measure.`
`16:30.00`	`A1win`	`Blizz-Deletarius, here's a couple of short videos to show off if you have the time :x http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kggpdh_lDuc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMtEEDkr-Fs`
`16:30.40`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm curious if generic data structures might ever be introduced, or if workarounds are the only recourse. I've been using strings for simple Lists, but that's not feasible with reference types.`
`16:31.19`	`Kueken`	`Blizz-Deletarius: I can see why you were gone for a while, been here 5 minutes, and swamped already xD`
`16:31.45`	`A1win`	`that's why they should be here more often ;>`
`16:31.47`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`A1win - pretty cool stuff :)`
`16:31.53`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`alwin*`
`16:32.47`	`JademusSreg`	`I've almost finished my oral inspection of said gift horse; just some things that save me time. =D`
`16:32.52`	`Kueken`	`A1win: did you reverse the thrust?`
`16:32.56`	`A1win`	`it's A1win ;D`
`16:33.02`	`A1win`	`Kueken, yeah makes more sense this way`
`16:33.09`	`A1win`	`I mean`
`16:33.14`	`Kueken`	`I was going to suggest that :D`
`16:33.15`	`A1win`	`better for controls`
`16:33.26`	`Kueken`	`feels more intuitive, I bet`
`16:33.30`	`A1win`	`yeah`
`16:33.50`	`JademusSreg`	`But yes, generic data structures would be neato. Otherwise, stuck with strings and other inelegant workarounds.`
`16:34.22`	`Kueken`	`hm`
`16:34.42`	`Kueken`	`can we check for object types or parents with catalogs?`
`16:34.51`	`Kueken`	`they don't have a field path`
`16:37.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, Del, what purpose does the ConsoleCommand native serve? Apparently it has access to commands "exit", "resourcedump" and "resourceflush", but these appear to be restricted or otherwise give no indication of their operation. It doesn't work in multiplayer and it mirrors a slightly limited subset of common cheat commands when testing a map.`
`16:37.52`	`Kueken`	`A1win: youtube links me to a video called "Is there poop on the moon?" from your video`
`16:37.54`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`unfortunately I don't know jade`
`16:38.01`	`A1win`	`Kueken, yeah ;D`
`16:38.22`	`A1win`	`I should probably remove some of the generic tags`
`16:38.24`	`G0A`	`wth, Blizz guys are back in da channel?`
`16:38.24`	`A1win`	`like space and planets`
`16:38.37`	`Kueken`	`*blizz guy`
`16:38.40`	`Kueken`	`for now`
`16:38.41`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`thought I'd check in and see how people were doing`
`16:38.42`	`JademusSreg`	`What are the text parameters for the UnitPerformanceTest native?`
`16:38.48`	`Dustin`	`Dele!`
`16:38.49`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`16:39.12`	`A1win`	`that didn't help :<`
`16:39.16`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`jade, unfortunately I'm not very familiar with the actor system as a whole :(`
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`16:39.53`	`JademusSreg`	`UnitStatsStart (text name, text unitName, text unitFood);`
`16:40.14`	`Kueken`	`anyway, is there some way to check in a trigger, if an ability is effect-target or effect-instant?`
`16:40.31`	`JademusSreg`	`That native, specificially. Curious if you're familiar with it, is all. Odd thing for it to take text arguments.`
`16:41.05`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`kueken, not that I'm aware of`
`16:41.59`	`Kueken`	`hm`
`16:42.14`	`Kueken`	`so I would need to mark it somehow, or compile a list...`
`16:42.18`	`mille25`	`Kueken: cant you do that with some sort of catalog get?`
`16:42.25`	`JademusSreg`	`How do Observer UIs handle invalid content? Does the editor strip them and/or client simply not load them?`
`16:42.28`	`Kueken`	`yeah, thought so as well`
`16:42.39`	`Kueken`	`but it is defined by the type/parent`
`16:42.49`	`Kueken`	`which don't have a field path`
`16:42.58`	`mille25`	`are there perhaps any fields that would just have a (specific) value for one of those two cases?`
`16:43.00`	`Kueken`	`no idea how I would access them via catalog`
`16:43.08`	`Kueken`	`I looked for that as well`
`16:43.29`	`Kueken`	`unfortunately, effect target has all the fields effect instant has`
`16:43.39`	`G0A`	`Blizz-Deletarius this is really annoying: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/8196600234`
`16:43.54`	`mille25`	`maybe you can do some sort of workaround like say that an instant effect has 0 max range while target has >1? stuff like that`
`16:43.55`	`Kueken`	`and the values may var`
`16:44.20`	`Kueken`	`yes, probably`
`16:44.39`	`Kueken`	`still requires me to set up every effect - instant properly`
`16:44.48`	`mille25`	`isnt 0.0 default?`
`16:44.57`	`Kueken`	`default is empty, I believe`
`16:45.30`	`Kueken`	`also, a 0 range for effect - instant is not absolutely impossible`
`16:45.36`	`Kueken`	`*effect - target`
`16:45.44`	`mille25`	`but very unlikely i guess`
`16:46.02`	`Kueken`	`yes, probably`
`16:46.10`	`mille25`	`at least i cant think of any case`
`16:46.20`	`mille25`	`in which that would make sense :D`
`16:46.30`	`mille25`	`but im a total data nub`
`16:46.32`	`mille25`	`so dont ask me :D`
`16:46.41`	`Kueken`	`but well, if there is no generally applicable solution I would need to go for some kind of workaround anyway`
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`16:49.29`	`mille25_`	`so, Blizz-Deletarius , are there any new features/improvements for the editor/arcade to be expected with the next patch? its already been quite some time since the last big patch.`
`16:49.54`	`mille25_`	`kinda wondering what you guys have been working on.`
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`16:51.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Del, last questions: why was drag and rescale disabled in the in-game wysiwyg layout editor? And why are Desc frame definition properties editable, while Frame instance properties are not? Are there any workarounds for instantiating flash layout frames or should I find some? If .m3h files are in Bank format, does that entail they can be modified through the bank API at runtime? Should we`
`16:51.50`	`JademusSreg`	`expect any improvements to bank security or additional features? Do I go entirely too far with these run-on gags?`
`16:51.52`	`Dustin`	`mille25_!`
`16:52.05`	`Kueken`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/38/383/beautyshot008.jpg`
`16:52.07`	`Kueken`	`:D`
`16:52.27`	`motive`	`Blizz-Deletarius: Give us a LocalPlayer() native ;)`
`16:52.39`	`mille25_`	`motive: there is no local player.`
`16:53.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh man, asynchronous code, novices would never cease to make unstable maps.`
`16:53.21`	`motive`	`Haha`
`16:53.26`	`motive`	`mille25_: it's a WC3 thing`
`16:53.36`	`mille25_`	`i know :D`
`16:53.43`	`motive`	`I'd love LocalPlayer`
`16:53.46`	`motive`	`I could do so much actor fuckery`
`16:53.53`	`mille25_`	`in wc3 it made sense since locl player was the host`
`16:53.56`	`mille25_`	`now battle.net is the host.`
`16:54.03`	`Kueken`	`yeah was pretty fun back then, if local player = player 1 then create unit -> bam`
`16:54.05`	`motive`	`no`
`16:54.07`	`motive`	`LocalPlayer wasn't the host`
`16:54.12`	`motive`	`it was every individual player's local computer`
`16:54.19`	`motive`	`it was a script call that returned differently`
`16:54.25`	`mille25_`	`:O`
`16:54.41`	`motive`	`for player 1 it returned 1, for 2 2, etc.`
`16:55.29`	`mille25_`	`hm, but that itself doesnt seem to have any use to me?`
`16:55.42`	`JademusSreg`	`More importantly, it was exceedingly easy for users who didn't understand how to employ it to cause a map to desync and drop players instantly.`
`16:55.46`	`Kueken`	`players were no integers in WC3 nit-pick`
`16:56.05`	`Kueken`	`mille25_: easy execution of local code`
`16:56.21`	`Kueken`	`asynchronous visuals, sounds, you name it`
`16:56.40`	`JademusSreg`	`If you tried to modify anything outside its scope or return anything from its scope, desync, kapow.`
`16:56.45`	`Kueken`	`just be careful to not affect anything gameplay-related, or it will crash or desync`
`16:57.06`	`mille25_`	`this would be useful for custom UI mostly, to remove the annoying delay`
`16:57.14`	`mille25_`	`like triggered ui`
`16:57.20`	`Dustin`	`http://world-editor-tutorials.thehelper.net/cat_usersubmit.php?view=89207`
`16:57.22`	`Kueken`	`same thing renee does hith this infamous flyer-helper settings abuse :D`
`16:57.33`	`mille25_`	`yeah we still use that in SCU`
`16:57.36`	`mille25_`	`for actors.`
`16:57.40`	`mille25_`	`i hope it doesnt fuck up one day`
`16:57.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Actors handle most asynchronous needs, now, so there's very little need for asynchronous code.`
`16:58.05`	`Dustin`	`mille25_, let's go play MP SCU!`
`16:58.11`	`Kueken`	`when they fix the flyer helper thing, they better give us a replacement`
`16:58.20`	`mille25_`	`Dustin: well, it doesnt exist yet :D`
`16:58.26`	`mille25_`	`Dustin: just test maps.`
`16:58.30`	`Dustin`	`Make it faster :(!`
`16:58.35`	`mille25_`	`no time atm`
`16:58.37`	`mille25_`	`real life :(`
`16:58.42`	`mille25_`	`sucks! :D`
`16:58.44`	`Dustin`	`I know how that goes`
`16:58.49`	`JademusSreg`	`considers the ValidatePlayer message.`
`16:58.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Erm, term.`
`16:59.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Not ideal.`
`16:59.34`	`mille25_`	`all systems work`
`16:59.36`	`mille25_`	`just needs content`
`16:59.41`	`mille25_`	`but creating and balancing it takes forever`
`17:00.15`	`JademusSreg`	`That reminds me, I've been so busy + refactoring/updating old code I forgot about the boss battle.`
`17:00.28`	`JademusSreg`	`I tend to forget things if not reminded.`
`17:00.29`	`Dustin`	`Just make the prelogue into a MP Beta and make the end boss alot harder :D`
`17:00.30`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
`17:01.08`	`reaperguyver_`	`I'm trying to decide if I should risk working on my map and having my pc crash or restarting it and maybe having my pc crash anyhow....`
`17:01.28`	`mille25_`	`why would it crash reaperguyver_ ?`
`17:01.40`	`reaperguyver_`	`I have no idea.`
`17:01.42`	`reaperguyver_`	`it just does`
`17:01.54`	`reaperguyver_`	`locks up and I have to reset and it's corrupted my map a few times already`
`17:01.55`	`mille25_`	`bluescreen, reboot, freeze, ...?`
`17:02.04`	`reaperguyver_`	`freeze more or less`
`17:02.11`	`mille25_`	`entire computer or just editor?`
`17:02.23`	`reaperguyver_`	`started doing it right after I installed the drives that came in the box the same day it arrived.`
`17:02.25`	`reaperguyver_`	`entire computer`
`17:02.32`	`mille25_`	`overclocked or stock?`
`17:02.35`	`mille25_`	`:D`
`17:02.41`	`reaperguyver_`	`stock`
`17:02.52`	`mille25_`	`checked temperatures?`
`17:02.53`	`reaperguyver_`	`should be good for 5 years I don't wanna over clock it and waste it.`
`17:02.56`	`reaperguyver_`	`no idea how`
`17:03.16`	`reaperguyver_`	`it SHOULD have a water cooler in it and it has like 5-6 fans on it.`
`17:03.31`	`mille25_`	`oh its a new build?`
`17:03.43`	`reaperguyver_`	`it always seems cold and I would assume it was temp but whether it's 85 in my room or 70 it still locks up.`
`17:03.50`	`reaperguyver_`	`yeah.`
`17:04.15`	`Kueken`	`fans AND water cooler? I thought you would only need either, besides maybe 1 main case fan`
`17:04.15`	`reaperguyver_`	`cost me about 1800 with shipping and tax`
`17:04.15`	`mille25_`	`http://www.cpuid.com/downloads/hwmonitor/1.22-setup.exe`
`17:04.21`	`mille25_`	`download that`
`17:04.26`	`mille25_`	`check temps while working on smth, no in idle`
`17:04.38`	`reaperguyver_`	`well that's why I said should I think they forgot some thing in my computer...`
`17:04.39`	`mille25_`	`if its not temps it might be a hardware failure :(`
`17:06.30`	`mille25_`	`if its not the temps you are pretty much fucked, then it can either be a driver failure (but thats rare) or a hardware defect, probably RAM but can also be smth else.`
`17:06.49`	`mille25_`	`one thing you can try then is to slightly increase the ram voltage and see if that helps`
`17:07.41`	`reaperguyver_`	`which set of temps should I be looking at?`
`17:07.50`	`mille25_`	`mainly CPU`
`17:08.55`	`reaperguyver_`	`looks like it might be over heating it's fluctuating between 44-50 with it saying 52 is max.`
`17:09.36`	`mille25_`	`whats your CPU usage at the moment?`
`17:09.51`	`mille25_`	`like, in task manager`
`17:09.59`	`reaperguyver_`	`4-5%`
`17:10.16`	`mille25_`	`open up the editor and work on smth`
`17:10.20`	`mille25_`	`then see how the temp changes`
`17:10.25`	`mille25_`	`44-50 is quite hot for idle.`
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`17:10.32`	`reaperguyver_`	`well it happens when I'm playing games also.`
`17:10.36`	`gooose`	`what does damage point on a weapon do?`
`17:10.37`	`mille25_`	`which cpu are you using?`
`17:11.05`	`reaperguyver_`	`I have no idea >.>`
`17:11.24`	`reaperguyver_`	`PC one my friend helped me build.`
`17:11.33`	`mille25_`	`start -> computer -> system properties`
`17:12.11`	`reaperguyver_`	`runing starcraft 2 campaign still about 5%`
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`17:14.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Back.`
`17:14.20`	`mille25_`	`=D`
`17:14.26`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`17:14.35`	`reaperguyver_`	`Processor Intel(r) cor tm i7-3820 cpu@ 3.60 ghz`
`17:14.48`	`mille25_`	`okay`
`17:15.13`	`mille25_`	`so id probably play sc2 in windowed mode and check how the temperatures change over time`
`17:15.21`	`mille25_`	`it should not go above 70`
`17:15.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Found a number of undocumented natives the other day, including PlayerOverrideOption.`
`17:15.42`	`mille25_`	`thats old jade :D`
`17:15.58`	`JademusSreg`	`GUI users knew about it before I did because it wasn't in the natives.galaxy.`
`17:16.03`	`mille25_`	`but yes, its not in the natives list`
`17:16.19`	`mille25_`	`which means that even that one is unusable to track changes`
`17:16.25`	`mille25_`	`so basically we have no changelog and no documentation :D`
`17:16.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Also gleaned several type debug commands.`
`17:16.48`	`mille25_`	`im really wondering where we are supposed to get our information from`
`17:16.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Boring stuff like DebugString and such.`
`17:16.59`	`mille25_`	`i always though the natives.galaxy is quite useful but seems like it isnt any longer.`
`17:17.30`	`reaperguyver_`	`anyhow yeah thanks i'll keep an eye on it.`
`17:17.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Extracted lots of other fun stuff from the editor and client memory, as well.`
`17:18.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Including reference to War3.SC2Mod.`
`17:18.19`	`mille25_`	`reaperguyver_: if the crash always happens while gaming or working with the editor this could very well point towards a temperature issue, but it doesnt need to be that.`
`17:18.44`	`mille25_`	`JademusSreg: huh?`
`17:18.48`	`mille25_`	`war3? :D`
`17:18.56`	`reaperguyver_`	`I have a 2 year warranty I should just send it back in all honesty.`
`17:19.26`	`reaperguyver_`	`Supposed to have an Asetek 510lc 120mm water cooler...`
`17:19.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Del, any word on War.SC2Mod or shall we assume it's a secret in-development asset mod?`
`17:19.37`	`gooose`	`i need a sound: sword hittiung metal armor`
`17:19.45`	`gooose`	`suggestions?`
`17:20.04`	`mille25_`	`download it.`
`17:20.43`	`gooose`	`....`
`17:20.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, the client had a reference to it in the memory, only in the most recent client version; I compared with other, older clients.`
`17:21.11`	`mille25_`	`when talking about warcraft`
`17:21.21`	`JademusSreg`	`*War3.SC2Mod`
`17:21.31`	`mille25_`	`recently i thought that blizzard could just take the entire starcraft engine, tweak it a bit and make wc4`
`17:21.42`	`mille25_`	`even battle.net would be nearly the same`
`17:21.52`	`mille25_`	`it nearly has the exact same requirements.`
`17:22.31`	`mille25_`	`of course the graphics would need to be enhanced a bit further and they would need a ton of assets and stuff, but basically the engine should work for warcraft.`
`17:22.51`	`mille25_`	`i was also asking myself if there might be warcraft3 source code recycled for starcraft2`
`17:23.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, gleaned the layout frame type list and then tested all elements to get a complete* element support list.`
`17:23.36`	`gooose`	`is thar war3.mod file already in the client?`
`17:23.39`	`gooose`	`t`
`17:23.55`	`JademusSreg`	`No. There's merely a reference to it in the client.`
`17:24.30`	`gooose`	`lol`
`17:25.04`	`JademusSreg`	`String dumped all the client versions I had on hand, from most recent to oldest. It's only in the recent clients.`
`17:26.15`	`mille25_`	`to be honest i couldnt care less for a war3 mod file`
`17:26.22`	`mille25_`	`since the models are simply too low quality`
`17:26.27`	`mille25_`	`i wouldnt want to use them at all.`
`17:26.32`	`mille25_`	`sounds could be useful though`
`17:27.06`	`gooose`	`the missiles of wc3 as well`
`17:27.29`	`gooose`	`its funny how little actual "projectiles" there are`
`17:27.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, about PlayerOverrideOption, the player option arguments are strings which turns out are the same identifiers in the varlist in the editor Console. However, only the exact 19 (iirc) in the GUI preset are not restricted; I test the 200+ vars with a igly little script.`
`17:27.37`	`gooose`	`just rockets etc`
`17:28.02`	`JademusSreg`	`*ugly`
`17:28.14`	`mille25_`	`haha`
`17:28.22`	`JademusSreg`	`So that was unfortunately well-protected by the devs.`
`17:28.30`	`mille25_`	`fuck! D:`
`17:28.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Othwise a map could force set a player's window width and stuff.`
`17:29.03`	`mille25_`	`that would be quite scary though.`
`17:29.21`	`JademusSreg`	`High entertainment potential, and probably some legitimate uses, as well.`
`17:30.26`	`mille25_`	`i dont even need all this fancy stuff...`
`17:30.33`	`mille25_`	`i just want my server side banks and native lists :D`
`17:30.48`	`JademusSreg`	`But yeah, I've probably not even data mined as thoroughly as I could, but that can only be amusing for so long.`
`17:31.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Doubt there's any especially delicious stuff remaining to be found.`
`17:31.26`	`mille25_`	`:(`
`17:31.32`	`JademusSreg`	`And yes, generic data structures, do want.`
`17:31.45`	`Kueken`	`:(`
`17:31.48`	`mille25_`	`:D`
`17:31.50`	`Kueken`	`WHYYY`
`17:31.59`	`mille25_`	`too much technical stuff`
`17:32.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`17:32.08`	`Kueken`	`I think we scared him of`
`17:32.19`	`mille25_`	`they always come with the best intentions`
`17:32.22`	`mille25_`	`and then jademus shows up :D`
`17:32.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Kapow.`
`17:32.32`	`Kueken`	`well, cya in 2 months, Deletarius`
`17:32.54`	`mille25_`	`im seriously wondering what they have been working on though`
`17:33.01`	`mille25_`	`just got very small bugfix patches recently`
`17:33.08`	`mille25_`	`and its very quiet.`
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`17:34.16`	`JademusSreg`	`LotV, HotS fixes, War3.SC2Mod + minicampaign (I imagine).`
`17:34.44`	`mille25_`	`when talking about hots fixes`
`17:34.51`	`mille25_`	`im always surprised again how slow the ui still is`
`17:35.03`	`mille25_`	`for example when entering the wrong password`
`17:35.17`	`mille25_`	`when pressing the "ok" button of the error dialog the game freezes for like 3 seconds`
`17:35.24`	`JademusSreg`	`I blame Flash / Adobe Air.`
`17:35.26`	`mille25_`	`im really wondering what the hell the client is doing in that time.`
`17:35.38`	`JademusSreg`	`And XML.`
`17:35.54`	`mille25_`	`it feels like its logging 100000 lines or smth lol`
`17:35.59`	`gooose`	`oh and there is a bug that makes the bottom of the up 8with the portrait etc) disapper when leaving a map ^^`
`17:36.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Take a peek at the memory? =D`
`17:36.15`	`gooose`	`i reported it while hots was in beta.. guess what they didnt fix`
`17:36.35`	`mille25_`	`JademusSreg: go ahead! :D`
`17:36.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, it wouldn't be interesting.`
`17:36.52`	`mille25_`	`:(`
`17:37.03`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm interested in what I can use. =D`
`17:37.34`	`mille25_`	`you are not interrested in why it takes 3 seconds for the client to confirm that the ok button of the wrong password error box is pressed? aww :(`
`17:38.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, I wouldn't be bothered if it took a few seconds; I'd like to believe that's the CPU at work applying some good encryption (but I don't).`
`17:39.55`	`mille25_`	`also i yet failed to delete the german language from my game client`
`17:40.03`	`mille25_`	`it always gets downloaded again by the launcher.`
`17:40.16`	`mille25_`	`i deleted all german files, cleared battle.net cache, tried everything`
`17:40.20`	`mille25_`	`it just always redownloads it.`
`17:40.31`	`mille25_`	`quite annoying since it takes like 5GB of space from my SSD`
`17:41.31`	`mille25_`	`i have no idea where the launcher gets the information that i want the german language pack from :(`
`17:41.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, the plight of too many prototype concepts competing for my attention.`
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`17:43.27`	`JademusSreg`	`It's like I'm a young lady in a Jane Austen novel, overcome with the pursuit of numerous handsome designs.`
`17:43.54`	`reaperguyver`	`I screwed something up and now I don't know which math is the correct math lol`
`17:44.08`	`gooose`	`the correct one i guess`
`17:44.20`	`gooose`	`and i guess thats the one you define as correct`
`17:46.05`	`reaperguyver`	`lol thanks >.>`
`17:46.20`	`reaperguyver`	`and since I was never able to test this in a game I don't know if it ever worked right.`
`17:46.53`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:53.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Attackold?`
`17:56.11`	`Kueken`	`the Play Sequence message`
`17:56.16`	`Kueken`	`or something like that`
`17:56.33`	`Kueken`	`or probably just enter AttackOld in XML`
`17:58.03`	`Kubi`	`What does a redneck girl say to her dad after she loses her virginity?`
`17:58.06`	`Kubi`	`"Get off me, you're crushing my cigarettes.`
`17:59.25`	`JademusSreg`	`<3`
`18:01.19`	`Kubi`	`Need an model thats like a flashing light`
`18:01.22`	`Kubi`	`or like a blinding light`
`18:02.54`	`JademusSreg`	`HotS added lights with lensflare.`
`18:03.04`	`Kubi`	`:O`
`18:03.10`	`Kubi`	`thats right`
`18:04.24`	`Kubi`	`I guess for my next stone guardian ability`
`18:04.42`	`Kubi`	`I am going to make offensive ability called Purify`
`18:04.50`	`Kubi`	`Purify enemy units around him`
`18:04.59`	`Kubi`	`slow attack speed/slow movement speed`
`18:06.49`	`reaperguyver`	`and removes buff?`
`18:07.39`	`reaperguyver`	`alright one last chunk of triggering to do then I'll be ready to test my map some more finally >.>`
`18:09.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Have you any movement-affecting abilities for the stone guardian yet?`
`18:10.04`	`Kubi`	`What you mean`
`18:10.05`	`Kubi`	`no`
`18:10.24`	`Kubi`	`I have one that he casts called Ancient Protection - Shoots a beam at a group of units that makes the invulnerable`
`18:10.37`	`Kubi`	`for a short duration`
`18:11.01`	`Kubi`	`and the third ability will be a shockwave/slam type of ability`
`18:11.03`	`Kubi`	`offensive`
`18:13.00`	`Kubi`	`Maybe a short stun`
`18:14.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Movement Ability Matrix, 3 dimensions, Source, Direction, Target. If something moves the caster, moves allies, moves enemies, whether toward or away, whether via mode, blink, push or pull, it's a movement ability. Movement abilities tend to be the most fun to use, on a superficial level, and affect all sorts of interesting design synergies and strategic opportunities.`
`18:16.33`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`18:18.05`	`JademusSreg`	`AOE stomp with knockback? Pick up and just throw some shitty mob like a bowling ball and knock away some dudes? A terrifying vaulting leap through the air to bring a torrent of suffering upon a mass of enemies? A powerful gravitational force drawing units toward it? Opening a portal that allows allies through? All movement abilities.`
`18:25.39`	`Kubi`	`It's shitty because Stone Guardian doesnt have much animations`
`18:27.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Ghosts don't have a throw animation, but my ghost hero chick still throws the pod to release the drone.`
`18:29.03`	`JademusSreg`	`I'll look at the animations, if you need, but you're a visual person, I think with clever timings you could make something cool.`
`18:29.31`	`gooose`	`4 animations ^^ like diablo`
`18:31.59`	`Kubi`	`true`
`18:32.59`	`Kubi`	`lol Incinerates site was flagged for malware`
`18:33.46`	`JademusSreg`	`StoneZealotSwarm.m3 has 7 animations.`
`18:34.02`	`gooose`	`well noone in their right mind uses swarm`
`18:34.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Kubi is using it, so I suggest it.`
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`18:36.12`	`Kueken`	`I use swarm, cuz I like ragdolls :D`
`18:36.24`	`Kubi`	`Mmm compared to wol?`
`18:36.33`	`Fate`	`hey guys`
`18:36.39`	`Kueken`	`wol doesn't have them`
`18:36.44`	`Kubi`	`nono`
`18:36.49`	`Kubi`	`i know ragdolls are the shit`
`18:36.51`	`Kubi`	`I wish more units had them`
`18:37.06`	`Kubi`	`most of my abilities have some sort of physics force for its abilities`
`18:37.26`	`Kubi`	`and Im not talking about some push back`
`18:37.32`	`Kubi`	`Im talking flinging units into the air`
`18:37.58`	`Fate`	`is it posslible to do a texture set for this model do it hasnt the golden body but a black or red one? http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/sc2-resources-675/zerglot-198407/`
`18:38.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, you may not need more units to have them.`
`18:38.40`	`gooose`	`lol there is a carbonite marine model ^^ guess its nice for a starwars map ^^`
`18:39.09`	`Kueken`	`oh, wow, thats almost perfect for a posessed squad, fate`
`18:39.28`	`Fate`	`yep that my thougth 2`
`18:39.32`	`Kueken`	`yeah, changing the texture shouldn't be too hard`
`18:39.48`	`Fate`	`i tryed but failed`
`18:39.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm.`
`18:40.18`	`Fate`	`it somehow just changes the infestet part`
`18:40.46`	`Kueken`	`well, the parts most likely use different textures`
`18:40.54`	`Kueken`	`so you would need to change both`
`18:41.15`	`Fate`	`i just want to change the golden part`
`18:42.06`	`Fate`	`i am somehow afraid ist broken`
`18:42.18`	`Fate`	`*its`
`18:50.08`	`Kueken`	`https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/4aj7lh3t73pxt4m/Possessed.jpg`
`18:50.14`	`Kueken`	`nope, seems to work just fine`
`18:50.32`	`Fate`	`o.o`
`18:50.37`	`Kueken`	`granted, the color needs some more work`
`18:50.48`	`JademusSreg`	`I'd prefer the model attach approach. =D`
`18:50.58`	`Fate`	`okey so what did u do?`
`18:51.17`	`Fate`	`mabee u have an better method`
`18:51.35`	`Kueken`	`export zealot texture, made it red, import, then texture select by id it on the model`
`18:51.41`	`Kueken`	`nothing special`
`18:52.26`	`Fate`	`can u pls go in more detail with the texture select part?^^`
`18:53.27`	`Kueken`	`https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/xw1jty4eyl59z19/Possessed.SC2Map`
`18:53.33`	`Kueken`	`that would be the map`
`18:53.39`	`Fate`	`ah nice`
`18:53.50`	`Fate`	`thx`
`18:54.00`	`Kueken`	`well, I added the zealot diffuse to the models declarations on slot main.diffuse`
`18:54.20`	`Kueken`	`then set up the red zealot texture for main.diffuse as well`
`18:54.35`	`Kueken`	`then used the texture select by id actor message on the actor`
`18:55.39`	`Kueken`	`Jade: attaching models like this usually doesn't look all that great, because you always have to tie them to one specific attachment point`
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`18:56.28`	`Kueken`	`especially for tentacles like these, you want to attach them to multiple points/bones somehow, which is not possible in data afaik`
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`18:57.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Understandable, but with a combination of site ops, it can approximate well.`
`18:57.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, what graphic settings were you running?`
`18:57.31`	`Kueken`	`high`
`18:58.12`	`JademusSreg`	`The model lacks decent normal and spec maps.`
`18:58.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Nice enough concept, though.`
`18:59.05`	`Fate`	`well its hard to find modles that fit with my needs`
`19:00.44`	`Fate`	`btw kueken you wouldn happen to have some time for a game of my map would you?`
`19:02.22`	`Kueken`	`nope, don't really want to`
`19:02.29`	`Fate`	`-.-`
`19:03.08`	`Kueken`	`:D`
`19:03.09`	`Kueken`	`https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/spnbddvk7f2a7l7/Possessed2.jpg`
`19:03.18`	`Kueken`	`thats with some random zerg texture`
`19:03.22`	`Kueken`	`brutalisk, I think`
`19:03.35`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, so did you have some idea how to render the capture zones?`
`19:03.40`	`Fate`	`sth is with the shadow`
`19:04.10`	`Kueken`	`yeah, that happens with about any custom models I have seen so far`
`19:04.28`	`Kueken`	`if its too distracting you can always disable shadows`
`19:04.28`	`Fate`	`....`
`19:04.59`	`Fate`	`ahhhhhhh thats not how i want it`
`19:06.02`	`Kueken`	`I need to go, bye`
`19:06.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, yes.`
`19:06.19`	`Fate`	`XD`
`19:06.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Basically, you just need a hemisphere. If you have a hemisphere model, it's easily done.`
`19:07.21`	`Fate`	`i have no clue what youre talking about`
`19:07.29`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm talking to A1.`
`19:07.53`	`A1win`	`what about the intersections of the spheres?`
`19:08.10`	`A1win`	`each zone consists of multiple circles`
`19:08.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, possibly. A hemisphere (half sphere) model would be ideal.`
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`19:09.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Two spheres wouldn't offer sufficient control.`
`19:09.55`	`A1win`	`no idea what you mean :x`
`19:11.37`	`Ekalsion`	`Say I wanted to animate a crane that could pick up stuff with data editor. How hard would this be?`
`19:11.58`	`Ekalsion`	`Like Viper's Abduct only... with something mechanical.`
`19:17.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Hold on.`
`19:17.26`	`A1win`	`if we're even talking about the same thing... I mean each zone has multiple planets, and the area of the zone consists of circles that are centered on each planet`
`19:17.47`	`A1win`	`so if I use transparent models, they'll be less transparents where the circles intersect`
`19:17.52`	`A1win`	`-s`
`19:20.03`	`A1win`	`the way regions are rendered in the editor would be ideal, the combined shapes are rendered at the same opacity even where they intersect`
`19:20.08`	`A1win`	`if that's possible`
`19:27.34`	`JademusSreg`	`It is.`
`19:28.14`	`JademusSreg`	`And once I remember how that is done, I'll explain. =D`
`19:30.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, Quad.`
`19:31.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Hosted by a guide region. Zoop.`
`19:34.16`	`A1win`	`hehe`
`19:34.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Region actor with Alias _GuideRegion (and they tend to have _Scalable, but whatever), and the Quad is hosted by the Region, and it has properties for actors which in turn support Model type.`
`19:35.47`	`A1win`	`umm what's Quad?`
`19:35.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Actor type.`
`19:36.50`	`A1win`	`how about the combine thing?`
`19:37.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Clarify?`
`19:37.31`	`A1win`	`there's a region (combine) actor thingy that should be able to combine multiple regions`
`19:38.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Is that the type?`
`19:38.31`	`A1win`	`can't remember exactly, I'll take a look in a moment`
`19:39.04`	`A1win`	`an actor type that has a "combine array" of actors to put in`
`19:39.27`	`A1win`	`I assume that's what used by the editor regions that have multiple shapes`
`19:39.38`	`A1win`	`to combine the regions into one uniform surface`
`19:39.54`	`A1win`	`which is what I'd want for the capture zones`
`19:40.50`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't see any such name.`
`19:40.55`	`A1win`	`mmf`
`19:42.29`	`A1win`	`Region (Combine) actor type`
`19:43.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
`19:43.34`	`SaVi`	`Hey Jade, my Movementsystem which we tested earlier, it seems like it could be improved?`
`19:43.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Still don't see it, but, apparently there are other actor types not already defined in Core. Silly me.`
`19:44.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Sav, yes, much.`
`19:44.48`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, tell me the id of one of the "Combine" actors.`
`19:45.10`	`SaVi`	`The Map you gave me is using only Custom Scripts.. Can I reach the same performance with the normal UI elements?`
`19:45.16`	`A1win`	`there doesn't seem to be any`
`19:45.19`	`JademusSreg`	`*GUI`
`19:45.20`	`JademusSreg`	`And yes.`
`19:45.41`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, I think you are perhaps looking in the triggers, and not in the actors.`
`19:45.53`	`JademusSreg`	`The actor data, A1. Point-point.`
`19:45.53`	`A1win`	`I'm looking in actors ;p`
`19:46.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Sav, yes, the same level of performance can be attained with GUI.`
`19:46.36`	`SaVi`	`Okay im not even disappointet that it isnt that good yet. I see it as a challenge :D`
`19:47.28`	`SaVi`	`grr every sentence I write is full of flaws.. I have to better watch my sentences before posting them :P`
`19:47.30`	`A1win`	`there aren't many region actors to begin with, and none of them is combine type`
`19:48.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Sav, there's a very old trigger library in mapster forums, where a fellow Shawn made a GUI version of my input script and stuff.`
`19:48.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Or you could wait for me to make some GUI wrappers. Or I could do an undetailed explanation of how it should all work.`
`19:49.18`	`Ekalsion`	`quick question: how do I remove a buildings footprint with catalog?`
`19:49.20`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, you're looking in the data editor, right? Use search filter Quad.`
`19:50.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Ek, if it says you can't change it, can't change it. Instead, you'd use a morph or have something else applying the footprint.`
`19:50.29`	`SaVi`	`do you coincidental know the name of the thread?`
`19:50.31`	`Ekalsion`	`I want to get rid of the footprint for just one unit, not all units of its type.`
`19:50.33`	`Ekalsion`	`Any idea?`
`19:51.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Ek, when an implementation is problematic, usually it's a problem with the design. So what are you attempting to accomplish, in non technical term?`
`19:51.34`	`SaVi`	`If you place someone with the flag "Ignore Placement" it is ignoring every collision, isnt it?`
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`19:52.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Sav, not applicable with unit footprints.`
`19:52.49`	`Ekalsion`	`I just want a structure that's not bound to the placement grid`
`19:53.02`	`Ekalsion`	`but that unit will be put onto a placement grid later`
`19:53.10`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, what about that?`
`19:53.29`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, you see Model, Quad and Region actor types, yes?`
`19:53.37`	`A1win`	`yeah`
`19:54.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Ek, again, what is the design? Describe the purpose, not the technical shit, and we'll see if a more optimal implementation can be determined.`
`19:55.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Because otherwise, the only solution you have available is a morph.`
`19:55.29`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, these three actor types are working together to make "region visuals".`
`19:57.20`	`JademusSreg`	`If you have HotS, you can see fully working examples from the campaign data.`
`19:58.28`	`JademusSreg`	`But let's say you don't want to use those.`
`19:59.13`	`JademusSreg`	`There's also Splats.`
`19:59.26`	`SaVi`	`Shawn91210 created this?`
`19:59.43`	`JademusSreg`	`I instructed him to create it from my script.`
`20:00.48`	`pirate`	`how difficult would it be to create a model from cliff terrain?`
`20:01.17`	`JademusSreg`	`pirate, they are already model assets.`
`20:01.21`	`SaVi`	`ah found it`
`20:01.48`	`pirate`	`I can find a million varied models and textures for em in assets`
`20:02.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`20:02.21`	`A1win`	`well I'd want to use the region stuff if I knew how ;p`
`20:02.42`	`pirate`	`so one would have to extract ones that 'fit', reassemble them with star tools?`
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`20:03.06`	`JademusSreg`	`pirate, nope, since star tools is one way, .m3 out, not in.`
`20:03.37`	`pirate`	`I thought startools was a plugin for 3ds`
`20:03.44`	`JademusSreg`	`It is.`
`20:03.57`	`pirate`	`oh but I see`
`20:04.04`	`JademusSreg`	`It takes 3dsmax source data, and outputs .m3, it does not import .m3`
`20:04.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Unfortunately.`
`20:04.27`	`pirate`	`so it's not currently possible to make cliff doodads :(`
`20:04.49`	`A1win`	`what do I need to add to the quad actor and where to make it visible D:`
`20:05.19`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, Splats are simple, Quads offer more control and more power. I'd suggest looking at the HotS examples if you're interested.`
`20:05.39`	`A1win`	`splats won't do what I want :x`
`20:05.57`	`gooose`	`qhats a quad ^^`
`20:06.14`	`JademusSreg`	`pir, you could with enough attachments.`
`20:06.29`	`JademusSreg`	`goo, look in Actor data and you will see. =D`
`20:07.02`	`gooose`	`well if you tell me what they do and i think i might need it i will`
`20:07.23`	`A1win`	`"Quad actors place the center actors between the launch and impact actors. Multiple center actors are created based on the remaining height after the impact and launch heights are subtracted from the total height."`
`20:07.37`	`A1win`	`that doesn't sound relevant to rendering a region D:`
`20:08.36`	`gooose`	`soooo basically it gets the position of 2 actors draws a vecotr between them halves the length and then creates the new actor at that position?`
`20:08.53`	`Ekalsion`	`quick question: my hotkeys are disabled and the game is in "noob mode" when testing a map. (Like from the HOTS campaign where it has a unique animation for attacking) how do I prevent this`
`20:09.44`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, splats, selection, and quads can all potentially solve the issue. Not the time to get overwhelmed with new shit. =D`
`20:10.05`	`A1win`	`:X`
`20:10.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Ek, Options -> Controls disable noob keys. Also, PlayerOverrideOption.`
`20:12.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha, how convenient that all the editor data entries are in one place.`
`20:13.16`	`pirate`	`someone with way too much free time should make a bunch of cliff doodad assets :D`
`20:13.20`	`reaperguyver`	`....`
`20:13.24`	`JademusSreg`	`The editor uses TriggerRegion, actor type Region (Game) to draw its regions.`
`20:13.35`	`A1win`	`mmh`
`20:13.36`	`SaVi`	`So you save nearly every possible information you can gather about the positions/states and so on.. and then you have ONE Loop in which you check what is pressed and what not and react accordingly?`
`20:13.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`20:13.46`	`reaperguyver`	`some of my unit upgrades of showing a negative number again and it's. irrating.`
`20:14.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Sav, and that is all the information. Or it should be.`
`20:14.14`	`JademusSreg`	`I can't verify how well Shawn did.`
`20:14.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Or rather, I don't care to, since GUI induces eyes to hemorrhage.`
`20:15.14`	`SaVi`	`mhh`
`20:15.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Alright. Enough helping. bbl =D`
`20:17.49`	`motive`	`JademusSreg: I looked at GUI once and instantly had a heart attack.`
`20:17.53`	`motive`	`EMS said I was lucky to be alive.`
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`20:25.46`	`reaperguyver`	`Smashes map. Stupid map work right!`
`20:34.08`	`twodie`	`NO!`
`20:35.24`	`reaperguyver`	`Smashes more.`
`20:35.38`	`reaperguyver`	`I will smash until it works because smashing it my strong point.`
`20:37.30`	`twodie`	`smash pc more, that will definetly will take that anger from you!`
`20:43.01`	`Fate`	`http://abload.de/img/screenshot2013-04-222dfezj.jpg`
`20:43.04`	`Fate`	`:)`
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`20:44.47`	`reaperguyver`	`Cool`
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`20:45.17`	`MoonEater`	`JADE i SUMMON THEE!!!!`
`20:45.20`	`Fate`	`thanks to kueken`
`20:47.57`	`MoonEater`	`so i made my custom nuke ability transient and gave it 360 arc`
`20:48.04`	`MoonEater`	`why wont it fire from my mothership?`
`20:49.23`	`SaVi`	`holy moly i had a wait 0.0625 order too much in my triggers ... now it works smooooooth SMOOOTH I SAY :D`
`20:50.54`	`MoonEater`	`i fucking hate google drives....`
`20:53.23`	`Ekalsion`	`Anyone experienced with changes to command card via Catalog?`
`20:53.25`	`reaperguyver`	`good to hear savi`
`20:53.53`	`reaperguyver`	`not me. Having a tooltip display error I can't fix for some reason >.> lol`
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`21:15.26`	`Reaerpguyver`	`^&!@!&*(^`
`21:15.29`	`Reaerpguyver`	`stupid tooltips >.<`
`21:21.43`	`SaVi`	`Im going off and as always thanks for testing and helping Jade ;) bb`
`21:33.45`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Anyone here knows a good site with collection of angel art`
`21:41.16`	`A1win`	`http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/SC2%202013-04-23%2000-33-05-38.jpg weapon slots`
`21:41.27`	`A1win`	`I should use some better frame texture though`
`21:47.20`	`Reaerpguyver`	`still looks nice ot me.`
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`21:52.12`	`________________`	`~Kubi`
`21:52.12`	`purl`	`rumour has it, kubi is a drunken mule`
`21:52.20`	`________________`	`oic`
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`22:00.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`22:01.30`	`JademusSreg`	`(Only specific people flash my client when they use my handle. Otherwise pointless.)`
`22:03.38`	`________________`	`interesting`
`22:03.47`	`________________`	`also`
`22:04.13`	`________________`	`grabbing the tooltip from a button using catalogs just gives me the location.... not the actual tooltip`
`22:04.22`	`________________`	`any (no pun intended) tips?`
`22:05.00`	`________________`	`ie, i get Asset/button/Stop instead of Orders the unit to stop moving.`
`22:07.24`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`JademusSreg: Do I flash you? =p`
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`22:08.32`	`Reaerpguyver`	`yay got my tooltip fixed >.<`
`22:09.01`	`________________`	`now fix mine :3`
`22:09.56`	`Reaerpguyver`	`well mine was somehting stupid.`
`22:10.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Back.`
`22:10.23`	`Reaerpguyver`	`the tooltip on the button was displaying the wrong resource count so I was getting stuff like this upgrade costs -100 minerals`
`22:11.27`	`________________`	`any1 know how to grab the actual tooltip of a button using catalogs? I tried doing it straight and i get the tooltip location instead`
`22:11.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
`22:12.07`	`JademusSreg`	`You're trying to set the tooltip dynamically?`
`22:12.17`	`________________`	`just trying to read it`
`22:13.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, the catalog field will get you the external string key, which you'd then use StringExternal on; you just want to get that stuff?`
`22:14.09`	`Kubi`	`WE DIDNT START THE FIRE`
`22:14.16`	`Kubi`	`JADEMUSSREG IS BURNING`
`22:14.17`	`Kubi`	`JADE`
`22:14.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Er, I did. Sorry.`
`22:14.22`	`Kubi`	`U GOING TO LBIZZCON`
`22:14.31`	`Kubi`	`I am making a Chieftan Shockwave type ability`
`22:14.48`	`Kubi`	`I am thinking an ultimate for leaping into the air`
`22:14.51`	`Kubi`	`and smashing the ground`
`22:15.09`	`Kubi`	`Make him repeat smashing the ground`
`22:15.10`	`Kubi`	`lol`
`22:15.47`	`JademusSreg`	`If the trip to BlizzCon is complimentary, sure.`
`22:16.36`	`Kubi`	`so ur not?`
`22:16.44`	`Kubi`	`You wont see me wear "KUBI ARENA 2013 BITCHES" shirt?`
`22:16.54`	`Kubi`	`Then when its Editor QA`
`22:16.56`	`Kubi`	`I'll be`
`22:16.59`	`JademusSreg`	`How would I know what happens between now and whenever?`
`22:17.09`	`Kubi`	`When will ArtTools Beta be out`
`22:17.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Art tools beta is available right now. Go to the bnet forums and ask.`
`22:17.30`	`Reaerpguyver`	`lol I think Jade should go so he can properly question the editor team.`
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`22:18.13`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`"Yeah, you the guy beside jade!"`
`22:18.31`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/157/3/5/nevermore_shadow_fiend_by_chevsy-d3i6s8z.jpg`
`22:18.41`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`yay or nay as a tattoo? :p`
`22:18.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Nay, but it would make good inspiration.`
`22:19.47`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Looking for angel or demon`
`22:20.07`	`Kubi`	`no no`
`22:20.11`	`Kubi`	`Jesus christ`
`22:20.36`	`JademusSreg`	`You never want a tattoo with more brushwork than edges; the brush will never look right on skin, come out looking smeared and terribad..`
`22:21.30`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`hmm`
`22:21.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, you need to research your tattoo artist thoroughly. For realities, yo.`
`22:22.33`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://www.lefthandtattoo.se/?page_id=23`
`22:22.35`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`that be the artist`
`22:22.49`	`Kubi`	`Now`
`22:22.52`	`Kubi`	`NO`
`22:22.54`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`although his gallery is very empty`
`22:23.39`	`Kubi`	`https://twitter.com/ErikJCox/status/305284013420081153/photo/1/large`
`22:23.40`	`Kubi`	`I want this`
`22:23.42`	`Kubi`	`as my tattoo`
`22:24.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Gotta see the art they do outside of tattoos; if they don't have anything of worth to demonstrate, whether drawing, sculpting, metalworking, painting, quilting, graphic design, or even fucking baking, they are just stencilers.`
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`22:24.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`No one of worth is ever here :(.`
`22:24.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`WAit nvm, thats just kubi he brings down the worth of everyone across the board`
`22:25.18`	`Kubi`	`What`
`22:25.21`	`Kubi`	`thats a good fucking tattoo`
`22:25.35`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Kubi: what? :p`
`22:25.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`wha?`
`22:25.50`	`Kubi`	`https://twitter.com/ErikJCox/status/305284013420081153/photo/1/large`
`22:26.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`Arthas, how does it feel man, to get your ass kicked by 9 year olds on a daily basis?`
`22:26.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Keep it troll-civil, Taint. If it isn't at least clever, it's not worth the time wasted typing it.`
`22:26.27`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`22:27.01`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Taintedwisp: actually asked me the same questions a few weeks ago`
`22:27.11`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I think we came to the conclusion that he fucked my mother`
`22:27.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`i know but I wanted to know if the situation has changed`
`22:27.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`lawl`
`22:27.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`most likely`
`22:27.21`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`:D`
`22:27.35`	`Taintedwisp`	`I was trying to get an update damn`
`22:27.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`22:28.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`nah i like arthas hes always quiet though :( but when he be talkin he be cool`
`22:28.02`	`Kubi`	`When I degrade peopl`
`22:28.04`	`Kubi`	`I am joking`
`22:28.06`	`Kubi`	`but`
`22:28.08`	`Kubi`	`TaintedWisp`
`22:28.08`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`JademusSreg: Yeah, but I'll talk to them to begin with. Just need to figure out what im looking for to begin with`
`22:28.09`	`Kubi`	`is serious`
`22:28.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`22:28.21`	`________________`	`oh ya, thx jade`
`22:28.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`yup i am sooo serious :P`
`22:28.29`	`Kubi`	`Just like Stewox`
`22:28.36`	`Kubi`	`Telling his conspiracy theories`
`22:28.43`	`JademusSreg`	`I am being ambushed with gratitude.`
`22:28.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`Dude i already told you, THEY DID FAKE THE MOON LANDING!!!! ON MARS!!!`
`22:28.56`	`Taintedwisp`	`dammit why wont anyone listen`
`22:29.25`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Who did 9/11`
`22:29.32`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Asking out of curiosity :)`
`22:29.35`	`________________`	`^`
`22:29.38`	`________________`	`you did`
`22:29.40`	`JademusSreg`	`The people who make the calendars, duh.`
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`22:30.11`	`Taintedwisp_`	`:(`
`22:30.15`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`pwnt`
`22:30.25`	`Taintedwisp_`	`I disconnected myself trying to wipe dust off keyboard`
`22:30.30`	`Taintedwisp_`	`damn internet key`
`22:31.20`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://i.imgur.com/z5jKV.jpg`
`22:31.25`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`You made me think of that img`
`22:31.27`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`From ages ago`
`22:32.04`	`JademusSreg`	`I do wish more people made the responsible decision.`
`22:32.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Rather like giving your keys to a sober friend while drinking.`
`22:32.39`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`One water for each drink?`
`22:33.03`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Where's the fun in not waking up with a hangover and regret for last night?!`
`22:33.10`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Oh`
`22:33.25`	`JademusSreg`	`I mean disconnecting before one has an internet accident.`
`22:33.42`	`Taintedwisp_`	`:/`
`22:33.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Not refering to you, Taint.`
`22:33.56`	`Taintedwisp_`	`its a computer, its not a big deal, this is the internet again not a big deal :P relax.`
`22:34.00`	`Taintedwisp_`	`JUST FUCKING RELAX DAMMIT`
`22:34.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Refering to the image, specifically.`
`22:34.04`	`Taintedwisp_`	`yeah`
`22:34.09`	`JademusSreg`	`I am always relax. =D`
`22:34.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Never past tense, always present.`
`22:34.35`	`Taintedwisp_`	`I troll... but I do it because... THIS IS THE FUCKING INTERNET DAMMIT ITS NO DIFFERENT THEN A FUCKING VIDEO GAME ITS NOT REAL FUCKING LIFE!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!`
`22:34.38`	`Taintedwisp_`	`lol`
`22:34.52`	`Taintedwisp_`	`I CAN TALK IN CAPS WITHOUT BEING ANGRY TOO :P`
`22:35.00`	`Taintedwisp_`	`But its assholish`
`22:35.31`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Unless it's international caps lock day. Then it's just right`
`22:35.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, it's a bit more complicated than that; if a Microsoft lead can get the axe for a twit-post, in that case the internet very much is real-life.`
`22:37.11`	`Taintedwisp_`	`lol`
`22:37.12`	`JademusSreg`	`So it's more accurate to say the impact internet activity has on one's life is variable and in many contexts can go without meaningful consequences.`
`22:37.41`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`If what you post does not go well with the times... yeah you will get shit for it`
`22:37.42`	`Taintedwisp_`	`dude if you go through life worrying about everything and never having an outlet for frustration.... to quote south parl`
`22:37.45`	`Taintedwisp_`	`park*`
`22:37.50`	`Taintedwisp_`	`"Your going to have a bad time"`
`22:37.57`	`Taintedwisp_`	`Meh`
`22:38.01`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`One should have some finesse though`
`22:38.01`	`Taintedwisp_`	`Thats why you use Aliases for everyone`
`22:38.08`	`Taintedwisp_`	`I have a buisness and a real facebook :)`
`22:38.14`	`Taintedwisp_`	`My real one says Jack Danials on it`
`22:38.16`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm certainly not worrying, haha.`
`22:38.20`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`PureWisp Industries`
`22:38.26`	`Taintedwisp_`	`The buisness says James Mitchell`
`22:38.38`	`Taintedwisp_`	`actually I am the CEO of Hateful Productions`
`22:38.59`	`Taintedwisp_`	`which hasnt ever produced shit`
`22:39.34`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Why am I not amazed!?`
`22:40.54`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Oh, aanyone here familiar with softmodded ps3 consoles?`
`22:42.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, don't like consoles.`
`22:42.39`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:43.15`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`What could she possibly do :O`
`22:43.28`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Ban me for taking a softmod discussion to pm? =D`
`22:43.43`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:44.08`	`Taintedwisp_`	`jademus she still logs it`
`22:44.10`	`Taintedwisp_`	`I checked that`
`22:44.20`	`Taintedwisp_`	`and modding a ps3 is not illegal`
`22:44.29`	`Taintedwisp_`	`Only using pirated material with it is`
`22:44.33`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:44.52`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Good thing my handle is HP`
`22:44.54`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`:)`
`22:45.01`	`Taintedwisp_`	`meh`
`22:45.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`22:46.54`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`As long as they don't get ahold of my search history I'm calm`
`22:47.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah++.`
`22:48.23`	`Kubi`	`I DID NOT MEAN`
`22:48.25`	`Kubi`	`TO BLOW YOUR MIND`
`22:48.27`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQgEohqf2o8`
`22:48.29`	`Kubi`	`THAT SHIT HAPPENS`
`22:48.31`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`That movie is great`
`22:49.45`	`JademusSreg`	`http://youtu.be/0GLoHifu6aM`
`22:51.17`	`Taintedwisp_`	`DONT TRUST JADEMUS LINK!!!! IT ONLY SAYS YOUTUBE AS A LIE`
`22:51.26`	`Taintedwisp_`	`NOTIVE THE DOT WTF IS YOUTU.BE?`
`22:51.33`	`Taintedwisp_`	`dirty bastard`
`22:51.39`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`are those the guys who made the genesis song too?`
`22:51.45`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`name sounds familar`
`22:52.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`22:52.16`	`Kubi`	`CONSPIRACY THEORY`
`22:52.55`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`not my kind of music though :)`
`22:53.08`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiQq5FU-e3A`
`22:55.14`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I've seen everything... again`
`22:55.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Time to go out like Hemmingway, riding on the back end of a bullet.`
`22:56.43`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`You live alone and you haven't seen star trek?`
`22:56.45`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Good lord`
`22:57.20`	`JademusSreg`	`I was responding to the content of your message. Also, what gives you the impression I live alone? =D`
`22:57.45`	`JademusSreg`	`And, for that matter, I haven't seen StarTrek, especially ST:TNG?`
`22:58.27`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I should have quoted that one`
`22:58.31`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`its in the end of the video :p`
`22:59.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Better: http://youtu.be/oxopd_qSVKo`
`23:03.35`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`hahaha`
`23:03.47`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`hmm, what are the furry things in tos called`
`23:03.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Tribbles.`
`23:04.06`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`there was a vertical in lolcat style done with them`
`23:04.08`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ah`
`23:04.59`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://granades.com/2007/05/02/loltrek/`
`23:04.59`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`found it`
`23:07.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Nope. No. Nil. Null. Not. Nyet. Nein. 没有`
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`23:09.07`	`Reaerpguyver`	`>.>`
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`23:09.32`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Nej`
`23:09.34`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Works too`
`23:09.37`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`23:11.48`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
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`23:14.26`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`bed now :p`
`23:14.49`	`Reaerpguyver`	`What part of the ability is linked ot the actor? I duplicated an effect and lost the cool bubble and sound that comes iwth it = /`
`23:33.34`	`A1win`	`mmmf what would be the easiest way to fill the insides of a frame texture that's transparent also from the inside`
`23:33.45`	`A1win`	`do I have to edit the image :\|`
`23:34.24`	`A1win`	`it has rounded corners so I can't just put a square behind it`
`23:41.47`	`A1win`	`oh well that easier than I expected`
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`23:44.49`	`Reaerpguyver`	`nice.`
`23:44.53`	`A1win`	`or not, messed up some alpha struff`
`23:44.56`	`A1win`	`*stuff`
`23:45.08`	`Reaerpguyver`	`Yeah I don't know what's different that's not causing this actor to spawn and it's irritating the crap out of me.`
`23:45.14`	`Reaerpguyver`	`ouch = /`
`23:51.08`	`A1win`	`http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/SC2%202013-04-23%2002-50-30-97.jpg`
`23:52.19`	`Taintedwisp_`	`looks cheap a1win`
`23:52.31`	`Taintedwisp_`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/planet-pack/`
`23:52.34`	`A1win`	`cheap?`
`23:52.42`	`A1win`	`oh the planets`
`23:52.47`	`A1win`	`I know`
`23:52.48`	`Taintedwisp_`	`:P`
`23:52.55`	`Taintedwisp_`	`theres a planet pack I would use`
`23:52.58`	`A1win`	`they are placeholder assets`
`23:53.52`	`A1win`	`the point of the screenshot was the UI stuff`
`23:54.06`	`A1win`	`the minimap and the weapon slots`
`23:54.14`	`Taintedwisp_`	`The ui looks decent`
`23:54.28`	`Taintedwisp_`	`I mean theres nothing there so theres not much I can say about it`
`23:54.35`	`A1win`	`hehe`
`23:54.45`	`A1win`	`there are the minimap and the weapon slot icons :P`
`23:55.03`	`A1win`	`that's the only part I wanted to show`
`23:55.29`	`Taintedwisp_`	`yeah looks decent, shows potential rather`
`23:56.09`	`Reaerpguyver`	`bah I can't figure this out why can't anyhting in the damned editor be easy >.<`
`23:56.26`	`A1win`	`there will also be a grid of similar icons at bottom right while docked on a planet, otherwise there's not much on the UI other than some score stuff`
`23:56.45`	`A1win`	`and the stat bars are also just palceholders`
`23:57.00`	`Taintedwisp_`	`Who wants to go play some pokemon for me so I dont have to`
`23:57.21`	`A1win`	`weapon slots will need some ammo display, probably to the right of them`
`23:58.23`	`Taintedwisp_`	`yeah just keep working and working on it, untilyour satisfied and I am sure it will look great`
`23:58.48`	`A1win`	`;x`
`23:59.02`	`A1win`	`mmh I wonder if I should have separate ammo for each weapon or one "energy" that all weapons use`
`23:59.21`	`A1win`	`separate ammo would encourage using all weapon slots more, but it might be more confusing`
`23:59.40`	`A1win`	`err... or not`
`23:59.48`	`A1win`	`it's not like separate ammo for weapons is a new concept in gaming`

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