IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20130420

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00:30.52Kubimotive, maybe
00:30.56Kubii dont think they id him
00:31.19Kubihowever some guy camping out in a boat
00:31.21Kubisuspecious
00:42.11KubiSUSPECT IS IN CUSTODY
00:42.14KubiTHEY GOT IT
00:43.29motiveWOO
00:43.30motive:D
00:52.27KubiFuck you
00:52.29Kubimotive
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01:01.00motivewhat'd I do Kubi? :(
01:02.06Kubididnt make me any abilities for my heroes
01:02.14motiveoh well
01:02.18motivefuck you too
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01:09.32Kuekenshark
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01:55.12Fatesomeone wana play my map? starhammer 40k?
01:55.24Fateits open on NA atm
01:55.33Taintedwisp_im good
01:57.30Fateits god
01:59.56Taintedwispno the lord is god
02:12.23Kuekencould someone take a look at a video I uploaded really quick and tell me, if it is completely surrounded by massive black bars fro him too? I use 1280x1024, so I have no idea how it looks for normal people
02:12.25Kuekenwww.youtube.com/watch?v=7Prxyxe_fqY
02:13.11Fatelooks normal to me
02:13.24Kuekenwhat resolution do you use?
02:13.29Kuekenalso try fullscreen
02:13.37Fateah
02:13.44Fatenow is see what u mean
02:14.03Fatewell there are black bar on the left and the right side
02:14.14Kuekenbut not top and bottom?
02:14.42Kuekenfor me its left, right, top and bottom, hence my asking
02:14.44Fatei can make a screenshot
02:14.53Kuekenthat would be grear
02:14.54Fatetop and bottom not
02:14.55Kueken*t
02:16.35Fatehttp://abload.de/img/keukentest1vwop8.jpg
02:16.48Fatethat how i see it
02:17.24Fate@Kueken
02:17.33Kuekenthanks
02:17.49Fatebtw do u have some time?
02:17.51TaintedwispLooks fine at 720p
02:18.55Kuekensoory, Fate, doing other stuff :D
02:19.02Fatekeykey
02:21.18Fatei have the black bars with every resolution
02:21.36Taintedwispits about screensize
02:21.42Taintedwispmy screensize is 1366 x 768
02:23.38Fatewhat data type is needed for images for loading screens? mp4 ?
02:30.53KuekenFate: mp4 is a video format
02:31.20Kuekenusually most SC2 images support either .dds or .tga
02:31.58Kuekenwhile I never had problems with dds, tga malfunctioned from time to time
02:35.15Kuekenanother test, this time just recording part of the screen
02:35.16Kuekenhttp://youtu.be/WsUASjuNHTo
02:45.45JademusSregZoop.
02:45.59motiveWoop.
02:49.48Kuekencould anyone with a widescreen have a look at the video and tell me if it looks fine?
02:50.38Kuekenalso, compared to this http://youtu.be/7Prxyxe_fqY which one would you prefer?
02:51.06motive2nd is awful
02:51.07motive1st is good
02:51.39JademusSregYes.
02:52.08Kuekenwell, 2nd shows whole screen, first cuts off command card etc, but I guess thats not that important anyway
02:53.16JademusSregIdeally, that wouldn't occur.
02:53.50JademusSregIn terms of quality they both are about the same; the first is closer and more focused.
02:53.51KuekenI only recorded part of the screen on purpose
02:54.51Kuekensince I run on 1280x1024, which seems to be very hard to reasonably convert into a commonly used format, I tried some variations
02:55.19Kuekenstretching the entire video to widescreen is horribly ugly
02:55.31Kuekenso its either bars or cut
02:55.40JademusSregCut. =D
02:55.52Kueken:)
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03:11.09ReaperguyverIs there a way to use a weapon attack to attatch a behavior to the unit that it hits?
03:14.48motiveKueken: How do you survive on a 4:3 monitor?
03:14.49motiveHOW?
03:14.52motiveI'd literally die.
03:15.07KuekenI don't really like widescreen
03:15.18motiveHow can you not?! D:
03:15.20motiveDo they even make not-widescreens anymore?
03:15.21JademusSregLiterally die in the most literary death possible.
03:15.27motive^
03:15.33KuekenI think I have weak peripheral vision or something, I even miss most things at the edges of my 5/4 screen :D
03:15.49motiveI've been debating upgrading to 4 monitors
03:15.51Kueken(its not even 4:3)
03:15.57motive2 at eye level, 2 above those
03:16.28motiveyou can never have too much screen real estate
03:16.28motivenever.
03:16.33JademusSregSounds good, motive. 2 work, 1 reference, 1 entertainment. =D
03:16.39motivePsh
03:16.49motive1 reddit, 1 netflix, 1 starcraft, 1 work or email or IRC
03:16.58JademusSregHahaha
03:17.11motiveNah I'd probably hook at least two up to KVM so I can move them between multiple physical hosts
03:17.13Kuekendont forget 1 facebook and 1 twitter
03:17.30JademusSregGross.
03:17.31motiveif I ever become a billionaire I'm getting a wall that's a monitor.
03:17.36motiveI can put all the things on it
03:17.40JademusSregOzymandius.
03:17.55JademusSreg*Ozymandias
03:18.03Reaperguyverlol. I'll pass ont hat thanks.
03:18.10motiveAnd just for extra ridiculousness, I'll still hang something on the wall
03:18.25motiveJust find a stud and nail it in there or something. Just because I fucking can, because it's a wall.
03:23.35Kuekenyeah, and some guy you can't stand
03:24.12Kuekennail him to the wall, put monitors in front of him
03:24.28Kuekenso noone can hear his screams
03:24.40Kuekenadd some diabolic laugh and you are all set
03:26.14JademusSregNot very stylish.
03:29.39motiveYeah we'd find a way to do it classy.
03:29.45motiveMaybe build a basement covered in wall monitors.
03:29.54motiveStrap him down to a chair there... use the wall-monitors as a way to induce sensory deprivation.
03:29.57motiveThat's a bit more classy.
03:30.13JademusSregTake about 4 or 5 people, suppress their immune systems and bind their bodies together in the configuration of a throne, intravenous sustenance to keep them alive, seal them in black latex, reenforce with foam and steel mesh.
03:30.22JademusSregFar more stylish.
03:30.40JademusSreg*reinforce
03:30.43ReaperguyverI hate it when simple stuff doesn't work right >.<
03:35.02KuekenJade: reminds me of this film where a guy wanted to create the perfect being by surgically attaching 3 people together sharing one digestive tract, if you know what I mean
03:36.25motiveHey whatever happened to SC2 map night?
03:36.35motiveCOME ON NORTH AMERICA
03:38.14Reaperguyverlol
03:38.34Reaperguyverno I took something from the campeign and for some reason it's not attacking that's all.
03:45.39JademusSregKueken, Human Centipede, and that would would just be barbaric.
03:46.25Kuekennever watched it, but the trailer traumatized me :/
03:47.05JademusSregNor have I; most movies aren't worth the time wasted watching them.
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04:06.06JademusSregWhat the hell, mapster is pushing back an internal server error.
04:09.50Kuekenhappens
04:10.31JademusSregWas moderating a topic. Had to move it to the void instead.
04:11.15Kuekenthats not so bad
04:11.20Kuekenits a cozy place
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04:20.13Reaperguyverodd. For some reason trying to make the unit require mana to shoot the weapon prevents the weapon from firing...
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04:24.10Kubi-CELLHomos!
04:24.44Kubi-CELLQuite lonely tonight.
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05:33.30JademusSregIf ConsoleCommand works on bnet, input responsiveness will be solved.
05:35.44Kuekenhow come?
05:37.16JademusSregInput updates are synced by game time, not real time. Increase in speed means more updates per real second.
05:41.14JademusSregLatency may still be an issue, of course.
05:41.25JademusSregBut it will be more responsive. =D
05:45.18ReaperguyverCool.
05:45.28ReaperguyverMy map is being a bitch again lol.
05:47.40Kuekenso you say just bump up global time scale and scale down all speed related stuff
05:47.46Kuekenand hide game time
05:48.05JademusSregGlobaltimescale is different from speed.
05:48.19JademusSregYou'd need to increase speed, rather than globaltimescale.
05:48.24Kuekenok
05:49.01Kuekenbut I doubt that the input sync is relaly significant compared to the 250ms minimum ping
05:49.08Kueken*really
05:49.19JademusSregConsoleCommand("speed 2",true,true); is what I will probably test next time I upload a map.
05:50.12KuekenI mean trigger input is synced every 2? game ticks, I believe
05:50.24Kuekenso you would have a delay of 0.0625 max
05:50.43JademusSregAmusingly, as the input sync period diverges more from latency, some hilarious things would happen.
05:51.00JademusSregAnd it's a bit more complicated than that.
05:51.20ReaperguyverNow it's just doing some really random crap >.>
05:52.38ReaperguyverI don't know why the game allows me to do the stuff I consider complicated and not the stuff I consider easy.
05:54.10JademusSreg0.0625 game time seconds is the update period for synchronous shit, however, one must account for real time to get a good sense of scale. Faster is speed 1.4, which is 22.4 game updates per real second.
06:04.04JademusSregThat's roughly up to 44ms+bnet latency.
06:06.00Kuekenwell, and bnet latency is minimum 125 ms, correct?
06:06.12Kuekenso ping is effectively 250
06:06.25JademusSregSomething like that. I don't recall that last time a rigorous test was done.
06:06.30JademusSreg*the
06:14.10JademusSregAdmittedly, it takes huge speed increases to reduce the sync period to marginal value.
06:14.41JademusSregAnd I'm not certain if bnet would allow a spike in volume like that.
06:15.19Kuekenand, well, if it even works in multiplayer :D
06:15.36JademusSregSpeed 10 would get it down to 6ms+latency.
06:16.04JademusSregYes, I ought to test that tonight.
06:16.05Kuekenso speed 10 doesn't multiply by 10 but sets to 10?
06:16.23JademusSregSpeed 1 is Normal game speed.
06:16.32Kuekenif you use speed 1 from faster, it will slow down?
06:16.37JademusSregFast is 1.2, Faster is 1.4
06:16.43JademusSregYes.
06:16.45Kuekenok
06:17.36JademusSregYou could increase speed by 10, and make the globaltimescale 0.1
06:17.37JademusSregHahaha
06:17.52Kueken:)
06:19.25Reaperguyverwhat ability would you recommoned using to apply a buff to an enemy?
06:20.12Kubi-CELLApply behavior effect?
06:20.16JademusSreg^
06:20.21Kubi-CELLAbility - target
06:20.35Kubi-CELLFilter everything but enemy
06:20.44ReaperguyverSomething that's already in the game that I can copy lol >.>
06:21.18Reaperguyverbecause everything you said made no sense oto me.
06:21.58Kubi-CELLMmm
06:22.06Kubi-CELLFungal, but thats aoe
06:22.30Reaperguyvermeh that's good enough I think.
06:22.38Kubi-CELLfeedback? Replace modify unit to apply behavior
06:22.54ReaperguyverI just want to apply the baneling explosion thing to an enemy and my map is fighting me tooth and nail on it.
06:23.14JademusSregPretty sure it's not the map fighting with you, Reap.
06:23.53JademusSregTools don't fight back, they can be misused. =D
06:24.00ReaperguyverI've tried like 4-5 different ways and none worked. one even did something really weird and just drained the life of my unit until it died when the buff was on an enemy.
06:24.06Kubi-CELLJust keep powering through it, then it will click
06:24.09Kubi-CELLHappened with me.
06:24.36ReaperguyverEven tried using a trigger to apply it to the enemy.
06:26.01Reaperguyverbut I'll try fungral growth. thank you.
06:26.08Kubi-CELLIts simple.really.
06:26.19Kubi-CELLJademussreg can walk you through it
06:26.24JademusSregNo.
06:26.25ReaperguyverThat's why I'm irrtated at it lol.
06:26.26Kubi-CELLskitters away
06:26.30Reaperguyverlol
06:26.33Kubi-CELLTrever.
06:26.39Kubi-CELLTeehee *
06:26.45JademusSregI don't do walk-throughs. It's boring.
06:27.01ReaperguyverNo he's tried to help me more then enough to never have to bother with me again lol.
06:27.26JademusSregI don't mind helping, but step-by-step instructions are too tedious for me to bother.
06:28.02JademusSregOnce made a tutorial on mapster for implementing custom player decals. Never again.
06:29.58Kubi-CELLLol
06:30.05Reaperguyverlol
06:30.42Kubi-CELLData editor was an unknown to me, but I just powered through abilities I wanted to me until they worked. Sometimes taking me a whole day.
06:31.12Kubi-CELLMake small projects, then when your confident tackle a large scale game like a mobs, frenzy or what not
06:32.25Kubi-CELLI would say im good with data editor now, but trying to get to jademus level.
06:32.51JademusSregHaha
06:33.40JademusSregYes, you are becoming quite proficient.
06:33.44JademusSregbrb
06:34.56Kubi-CELLAND sometime fix jademussreg flaws in his abilities
06:34.56Kubi-CELLWakkawakka
06:35.15Kubi-CELLOh man incinerates hots map is a joke
06:38.53Reaperguyverwell that partially worked which is good...
06:39.59Kubi-CELLWhat
06:40.20Reaperguyversame issues as before. it's applying the buff but,,, it's not doing anything... lol
06:41.34Kubi-CELLYou have to modify the behavior
06:41.35Kubi-CELLWhat do u want to do
06:42.14ReaperguyverI did modify the behavior lol.
06:42.24ReaperguyverI want the effected units to blow up like a banling when they die.
06:44.10Reaperguyverand their not doing damage when they blow up which is sad :(
06:45.58JademusSregBy far the worst mod tools I'd ever used, worse than the SC1 tools even, would be Valve's HammerTools.
06:46.22Reaperguyverlol
06:46.58JademusSregIt reminded me of Unity's dev tools, only terrible in every way.
06:49.27JademusSregSecond worst would be a close tie between SC1 community-developed mod tools and Bethesda's GECK editor.
06:50.41Reaperguyverlol
06:50.50Reaperguyverbetter than having nothing I guess.
06:52.00JademusSregTrue, assuming one -needs- to accomplish something with them. I'd just as soon not bother.
06:52.28ReaperguyverI'll agree with that.
06:56.33Kuekenspeaking of mod tools
06:57.11Kuekendoes someone know how it would work to add new animations to existing models via .m3a files, and how much work it would be?
06:58.16JademusSregSince I don't model, it is beyond my knowledge, though I have access to the art tools and 3dsmax in case I find time to tinker with it.
06:58.29JademusSregI could take a look at the file.
06:58.57KuekenI don't have a specific model in mind
06:59.33Kuekenwell, I will definitely ask Zolden when he is around
06:59.37JademusSregI think it's nice that additional model attachment points can be defined in .m3h bank files.
06:59.49Kuekeno_0
06:59.53KuekenI didn't know that
07:00.07Kuekenvery useful indeed, if they are working properly
07:00.12JademusSregIt's how a lot of death models get their attachment points.
07:00.35JademusSregFilter for .m3h in the archive browser.
07:00.44JademusSregTake a look, pretty cool stuff.
07:01.08JademusSregAnd since it's a Bank, it -might- be modifiable at run time.
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07:02.58JademusSregYess, Blizz finally made good use of the Conjoined behavior. That explains why it has added features.
07:03.10JademusSregLarva use it to link their selection state.
07:14.13JademusSregCurious what the option "Reduce Mouse Lag" actually does.
07:25.26Reaperguyverprobably not what it does.
07:25.58JademusSregRather, I'm curious about the technical features.
07:26.46ReaperguyverWell good luck, I am sure you will figure it out. You usually do.
07:27.58JademusSregIt's in the in-game options, Control category.
07:30.04JademusSregIf the client is sending input data in a smaller period, it doesn't make much difference if the engine and galaxy environement specifically don't update any faster.
07:30.10JademusSregThus my curiosity.
07:31.55ReaperguyverA logical interest then.
07:32.25ReaperguyverCool I got that part taken care of. Now onto the hard part >.> lol
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07:44.13twodiehttp://youtu.be/jgLzrTPkdgI
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07:54.42JademusSregFinally found a command that both requires selection and works from the console command.
07:56.30twodieany clue how model uses terrain textures on the mesh?
07:56.53JademusSregIn data or the asset>
07:58.28twodieasset
08:00.19JademusSregModeling is rather beyond my knowledge, but working from the references in the standard assets, you could look at the materials used by models known to use terrain textures in the Cutscene editor, use the option to View Model Data.
08:00.46JademusSregI expect it's either a specific material or a property for it.
08:01.41twodiewas looking in that before, nothing really made to work
08:01.51twodieits more hidden info
08:02.04twodienot displayed
08:02.22Kueken1JademusSreg: The "reduced mouse lag" option usually refers to deactivating mouse acceleration
08:02.40Kueken1so it has nothing to do with actual lag or delay
08:03.22JademusSregInappropriate name.
08:04.05Kuekenindeed
08:04.44JademusSregUnrelated, I discovered an Order command and TrigDebug, which can be toggled.
08:06.04Kubi-CELLshut the fack up you facking queerahs
08:06.15JademusSregThough I see Order was already known.
08:06.16JademusSreg=D
08:06.26JademusSregI just didn't know about it, haha.
08:07.16ReaperguyverSo going to ask on a recommendation assuming I can even do this and/or explain this.
08:07.38Kuekendo your best
08:08.48ReaperguyverI'm planning on adding a build that would allow people to build additional units up to 3 of units already in the game. (This way they could combine them like 1-1-1-/2-1/3) Would it be better to allow them to set an auto cast to do this and just have a bunch of different buttons for 1-2-3 or just ping it every time the ability is ready and let them pick?
08:08.54Reaperguyver*Building
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08:17.27KuekenI have no idea what you mean
08:18.10Kuekenso you can build some sort of units
08:18.32ReaperguyverYes. lol
08:18.52Kuekenwhat do you mean by "
08:18.53Kuekenup to 3 of units already in the game
08:19.05ReaperguyverImagine like larva
08:19.18Reaperguyveryou can use them to make 3 units at once.
08:19.30Kuekenokay so a building that makes units 3 at a time
08:20.05Kuekenlike a barracks with 2 reactors?
08:20.05Reaperguyveronly because i'm limiting it people can mix at match the question is to have like  12 buttons or just 4? 12 for auto casting or 4 to ping and make the player do it.
08:20.11Reaperguyverright
08:20.34Kueken?
08:20.38Reaperguyveroooo that would make things faster if I did it like that.
08:21.02Reaperguyverokay basically a barracks with 2 reactors so they can train 3 units at a time.
08:21.19Kuekenyes, not sure if that is possible though
08:21.38Kuekenmaybe 2 at a time is a hardcoded limit, that you would need to check
08:21.44ReaperguyverThat was why i was considering using larva instead.
08:21.56ReaperguyverI was going to.
08:22.05Kuekenand what do you need 12 buttons for?
08:22.10Kueken12 different units?
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08:22.29Reaperguyver4 units 3 buttons so like I could set auto cast for 3 zerglings
08:22.39Reaperguyveror two zerglings and one hydra
08:22.47Kuekenah
08:22.48Reaperguyveror a zergling a hydra and a roach
08:23.12Kuekenso you want all possible 3 out of 4 combinations
08:23.42Kuekenthat would be more than 12 possibilities, wouldn't it?
08:24.16ReaperguyverCorrect.
08:24.33ReaperguyverPlus the auto cast would allow a sort of set and forget if you find a combination that you like.
08:25.41Kuekenyou could maybe set 2 rows of abilities, 4 buttons to train normally, and 4 additional buttons sharing 3 charges which define the autocast
08:25.58Kueken+a button restoring the charges and resetting the autocast
08:26.44Kuekenso you can click ling ling hydra on the autocast bar, it consumes the 3 charges and then trains ling ling hydra groups
08:27.26ReaperguyverThat would be better organized then what i had planned lol
08:30.35Reaperguyverwell it's a tug map so.... I might only need the 4 with the charges and the reset button.
08:32.32Kuekenyour decision :)
08:36.28ReaperguyverNow I just need to figure out everything else that was said and I'll be good lol.
08:43.51ReaperguyverSearch engines never give me the info I need >.>
08:45.12JademusSregsite:sc2mapster.com
08:45.27JademusSregGoogle site search provides more targeted information.
08:46.58ReaperguyverI can never find anything on google.
08:47.45JademusSregThink how other people would think, use the words and terms they would.
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08:56.47Kubi-CELLLike midget Porn.
08:57.41ReaperguyverLol Porn is the only thing I can ever find.
08:57.53Kuekenif you only need autocast, you could also skip the whole charges thingy
08:58.16Kuekenoh wait
08:58.20Kuekenlogical error
08:58.38Kuekenwas suggesting an alternative, just realizing it wouldnt work
08:58.42Reaperguyveryeah I was going to say charges is a nice way to regulate it.
08:59.11JademusSregPrecisely. While one might refer to them as "little people" out of respect for their preference, most people interested in pornography already objectify human beings and stands to reason would likely use "midget" in their references to the genre.
08:59.11Reaperguyverooo wait I think I'm getting this..... then again maybe not.
09:00.18ReaperguyverI understand the charges enough to use them but how would I get the ability to differentiate between the sources of the charges? Or am i doing this wrong?
09:01.14Kuekenyou would set the location of the charges to unit and make them share the same charge link
09:01.22JademusSregFree and Cooldown commands behave weirdly when given player arguments.
09:01.40JademusSregCooldown seems to ignore them, and Free bugs out.
09:01.53JademusSregCan't seem to turn it off, haha.
09:03.49Kuekenwhat does Free do?
09:04.14JademusSregDisables cost validation and deduction.
09:05.23JademusSregStrange so many commands are restricted from use, and it's not even logically consistent.
09:05.53Kuekenas if Blizzard ever was
09:06.16JademusSregSetResource, Set vital commands, Owner, Loot, Fidget, Effect, Death commands, Behavior commands.
09:09.05JademusSregUsed ActorDumpLive to get some nice references to various scene actors.
09:12.24Kuekenstill no way to access them I assume?
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09:16.30Kubi-CELLWhatever happened to imisu
09:19.37Kubi-CELLDied?
09:20.51ReaperguyverI died ^.^
09:21.26Reaperguyvertrying to figure out how to link the charges actually lol not the best thing to be trying to learn when you're really tired.
09:22.22Kuekenwhen you use 1 train ability for all units in one structure, the link should already be the same
09:22.40Kuekenso all you need is set the location to unit
09:23.30Reaperguyveroh right okay. I thought I had to do it through the ability.
09:24.46Kuekenyou need to set the location in the ability, yes
09:25.00Kuekenin each individual cost entry of the trains
09:25.53Kuekeneh
09:25.56Kueken-.-
09:26.00Kuekenconfused again
09:26.24ReaperguyverRight.
09:26.42Kuekennot in the train ability
09:26.43ReaperguyverI think I got it. I'll have to finish it up tom. though. But thanks for your help I appreciate it.
09:26.53Reaperguyverright right.
09:27.03Kuekenyou would probably use a specialize ability for the buttons to autocast
09:27.18Kuekenor one effect-instant per button
09:27.49Reaperguyveroooo yeah. Thanks for pointing that out... hhmmmm
09:28.21Reaperguyverhhhmmm = /
09:30.38Reaperguyverooo I could put a delay on the cast?
09:31.27ReaperguyverThat way it has to wait a period to use the charge so it can do three seperate types at once or break it up.
09:31.50Kuekenwhy would you do that?
09:33.33Eagles_WHY?!
09:33.48Reaperguyverto bring it down to four buttons to make it easier?
09:34.41KuekenI though you would only add 4 buttons anyway?
09:34.57Reaperguyverwell i... uhh... hhmmm >.<
09:35.07Kuekenyou don't need to show a button for the train abilities
09:35.45ReaperguyverNow I'm confused lol >.>
09:36.22Kuekenwell, you want 4 buttons, which, when pressed, spawn the units automatically
09:36.44Reaperguyveryeah.
09:37.05Reaperguyversorry my mind is going out right now so I'm losing my train of thought.
09:37.31Kuekenif you can make the triple queue work, all you need is a train ability and a specialize ability.
09:37.54Kuekenspecialize is basically effect-instant with mulltiple butttons
09:38.02Reaperguyveroh right right.
09:38.18Reaperguyverthat basically represses the buttons that were inputed before.
09:38.26JademusSregI've not been paying attention, but is this about a player controlled spawner?
09:38.39Kuekenyes, Jade
09:39.05Kuekenmain point being, that it trains up to 3 units at once, and player has to select 3 out of 4 units to spawn
09:39.21Kuekenselecting one multiple times is possible
09:39.41JademusSregAh. Sounds like you've got it covered.
09:39.57KuekenI hope so, unless someone has a better idea ;)
09:40.06Reaperguyveror I screw it up!
09:40.10Reaperguyverwhich will probably happen.
09:40.34JademusSregWell, that's a given, but we'll help when the time comes, so no worries.
09:40.49Kuekenalso, I need to test something...
09:41.19Kuekenmaybe you can make it work with only the train
09:41.29ReaperguyverAlright well I have enough of the idea down to continue to work on it tom. and get to the point where I can use it.
09:41.38ReaperguyverI'll fiddle around with it see what I can come up with.
09:42.01ReaperguyverI'm going to head off for now. Thanks agian I'll talk to you all tom.
09:43.02Kuekenbye :=
09:43.19Reaperguyverif I wasn't about to pass out I would try to finish this tonight = /
09:43.43Kuekennow how does the additional queue for the reactor even work? JademusSreg do you know that by any chance?
09:43.52JademusSregI'm getting sidetracked developing a command-handler, haha.
09:43.53JademusSregHm.
09:44.03JademusSregI'll take a look; I'd checked before.
09:45.20JademusSregThe Queue ability.
09:45.29JademusSregStats: Queue Count.
09:45.36Kuekenseems so
09:45.46Reaperguyvercool?
09:46.01Kuekentrying :)
09:47.04JademusSregThe reactor applies a behavior which modifies the Queue Count and Queue Size.
09:47.26JademusSregOr rather, enables it.
09:47.38Reaperguyverinteresting. So if you added the behavior twice it should allow it to train 3 at a time?
09:47.38JademusSregThe behavior is already on the units.
09:47.47Reaperguyverooohhh okay.
09:47.53Kubi-CELLJademus your an enabled.
09:48.07JademusSregVery much so.
09:48.37JademusSregApparently the fields in the behavior are additive, so yes, though should stack.
09:48.54JademusSregThough there's the question of how many queues the UI will support.
09:49.03Reaperguyvernice very nice...
09:49.05JademusSreg*they
09:49.47KuekenI just modified the queue count of the base ability
09:50.05Kuekenno need to have a behavior modify it, if you can just set it to 3 from the start :D
09:50.06ReaperguyverDid that work too? lol
09:50.13Reaperguyvereven better
09:50.30JademusSregWell, yeah. Who ever said a behavior would be necessary?
09:50.30Kuekencurrently trying
09:50.41JademusSregI was just answering Kueken's question.
09:50.48KuekenI know
09:51.08Kuekenjust wanted to clarify
09:51.11JademusSregMetadiscussions, haha.
09:51.15Reaperguyverno one but knowing more then one way to do it kinda helps.
09:52.05JademusSregI'm curious how many the UI would support before breaking.
09:52.08Reaperguyverwondering if perhaps I could just allowing the building to add the second slow for a spawn then remove it like a temporary buff and that takes a charge instead?
09:52.12Kuekenokay
09:52.17Reaperguyverover 900!
09:52.25Kueken3 queue works, but ui shows only 2 progress bars
09:52.40Reaperguyverlame sauce = /
09:53.32Kuekenalso, if we just add an effect that issues the barracks the order to train the same unit again, we should be all set
09:53.58Kuekenthat would even allow stuff like 3 x, then 3 y, then 3 x again etc
09:54.19Kuekenno need for the charges thingy
09:54.26JademusSregwonders what kind of military trains one unit at a time.
09:54.49JademusSregNo wonder the terrans get stomped.
09:55.01Kuekenwonders where little marines are coming from
09:55.13Reaperguyverthat would be nice to get rid of the charges.
09:56.35JademusSregYeah, Kueken, that's why I always make unit's come from -somewhere-. Bugs me when games  neglect basic logistics. =D
09:56.37ReaperguyverYeah that should be fine... more of less could cause some slight problems because my design is slightly wonky but it should work that way...
09:57.39Reaperguyveroh I know maybemake the training tick for mana that will stop people from abusing it.
09:59.22Reaperguyveror something...
09:59.36Reaperguyverjust need to figure out a way to regulate it.
09:59.57Kuekenworks perfectly it seems :D
10:00.39Kuekenhttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/duhhokbaxpit1e1/Triple%20queue%20test.SC2Map
10:02.13Kuekenyou can queue units in any order you want and it will keep repeating this order
10:03.15ReaperguyverI see that...
10:03.21ReaperguyverHow did you do that without a trigger?
10:03.42Kuekenjust used the spawn effect of the train ability
10:04.09Kuekenwhen the unit is spawned, the effect is executed
10:04.23Kuekenso I just use an issue order effect
10:04.34Kuekenwhich issued training the same unit which just finished
10:05.16ReaperguyverO.O
10:05.20Reaperguyver>.>
10:05.24Reaperguyver<.<
10:05.26ReaperguyverCrap lol
10:06.25ReaperguyverYou made a new effect for every unit though didn't you?
10:06.42Kuekenyes
10:07.05Reaperguyvercrap lol.
10:07.21Kuekenyou keep saying that
10:07.25Reaperguyverwell in this case I'll do it with the data editor.
10:07.25Kuekenwhats the problem?
10:07.49ReaperguyverI'm not going back through the 50 some odd units I have just to have an effect do it when I already have the triggers set up.
10:08.04Kueken:D
10:08.24Kuekenin xml view, you can do that quite fast
10:08.28JademusSregPretty nice. Got about 500 marines on screen, was at ~15 fps, then used command ActorBroadcast ModelSwap Invisible, went back up to ~55.
10:08.58Kuekentry swapping to sphere.m3
10:09.18ReaperguyverSphere?
10:09.26JademusSregI imagine rendering its geometry would be more taxing than Invisible.
10:09.26ReaperguyverI don't understand anything in xml
10:09.28Kuekentalking to jade
10:09.33Reaperguyveroh okay
10:10.20Kuekenxml is pretty straight forward, just make some changes in your usual view, see what changes in xml
10:10.24JademusSregYep. Dropped down to ~23.
10:11.20ReaperguyverI'll just get it working enough for a public release then pay someone like 10-20$ to polish it up for me...
10:11.34Reaperguyvergoing to look at my xml anyhow
10:12.18Kueken15 fps for 500 marines?
10:12.28ReaperguyverThat's rather good imo
10:12.34KuekenI have 50
10:12.42Reaperguyveris flattened under a wall of text.
10:13.46KuekenJade, which graphics settings?
10:13.57JademusSreg~15 with Marine model, ~55 with Invisible model, ~23 with Sphere.
10:14.07JademusSregGraphic settings are extreme everything.
10:14.16JademusSregAll the Graphics.
10:15.05Kuekenokay
10:15.29KuekenI am on all high, I get about 45 with 500 marines, 50 with spheres
10:16.27JademusSregUsing actorbroadcast to switch between models?
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10:16.59Kueken1last message you got from me?
10:17.19JademusSreg[06:15:30] <Kueken> I am on all high, I get about 45 with 500 marines, 50 with spheres
10:17.19JademusSreg[06:16:28] <JademusSreg> Using actorbroadcast to switch between models?
10:17.31Kueken1yes indeed
10:17.45Kueken1blank map, spawned 500 marines with makeunit
10:17.51Kueken1then actor broadcast
10:18.00JademusSregturns a few marines into PrimalHydralisks.
10:18.18Kueken1windowed or fullscreen?
10:18.31JademusSregWindowed.
10:18.36JademusSregGotta have my debugger.
10:18.46JademusSregThough I wonder if trigdebug can force it.
10:18.51Kueken1the debugger by itself is quite a source of lag
10:19.10Kueken1or fps drops rather
10:19.29Kueken1for any kind of performance tests I usually would recommend to deactivate it
10:20.01JademusSregDamn. It's off center again.
10:20.29JademusSregWhy windowed fullscreen insists of being off and showing on my other monitors is beyond me.
10:22.00JademusSregHad to manually move the damn thing over.
10:22.36JademusSregRefused to run in windowed fullscreen even on command.
10:22.42JademusSregDamnable thing.
10:23.03JademusSregThe debugger, I mean.
10:23.23Kuekenwindowed fullscreen also causes random issues for me, like not allowing me to minimize. Alt-tabbing would set the focus to other applications, but the game would stay in front all the time
10:23.36Kuekenand thats for any game I use windowed fullscreen mode
10:23.47JademusSregStrange, I don't have that issue.
10:23.57HP-X|ArthasJademusSreg: care to do me a favor? =)
10:24.14KuekenI only have one monitor, maybe you don't notice it with multiple ones
10:24.14JademusSreg?
10:24.43HP-X|ArthasCan you look for a pastebin link I posted 26th of march
10:24.54JademusSregSure.
10:24.57HP-X|ArthasI'm pretty sure you where in here then :)
10:25.35JademusSregKueken, yeah, only a 10 fps difference between Marine and Sphere models.
10:25.48JademusSregHuge difference with Invisible, though, haha.
10:25.50Kuekenyes, only 5 for me
10:26.08Kuekenusing something like Archon killed it, though :D
10:26.09HP-X|Arthasim gonna get a smoke, brb
10:26.11Kuekenas expected
10:27.59JademusSreghttp://pastebin.com/ZjcKz4QK
10:28.18JademusSreg(I'm assuming you mean from this year.)
10:30.56Kuekenthat looks mildly related to mapping
10:31.29JademusSreg?
10:33.22HP-X|ArthasJademusSreg: thats it!
10:33.24HP-X|ArthasThanks :)
10:33.29JademusSregNo problem.
10:33.47HP-X|ArthasKueken, great mapping music?
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10:35.13Kuekenyeah, the names sound familiar :)
10:42.41HP-X|ArthasI sure hope so :)
10:43.05HP-X|Arthashttp://www.mediafire.com/download.php?uesj4bira8i7ht6
10:43.20HP-X|Arthasfor the file if you wanna fetch the rippped music
10:43.27JademusSregFilthy site; you should know better.
10:43.29HP-X|Arthasnot viewable in sweden anymore
10:43.36HP-X|Arthasmediafire? =p
10:43.43HP-X|ArthasI usually just ftp stuff
10:44.12JademusSregWell, if it's there for anon purposes, that's understandable.
10:45.20HP-X|Arthaswhat would you suggest instead?
10:45.34JademusSregBut file upload sites are hives of scum and villainy. Only instead of Greedo, you've got trap-ads.
10:45.38HP-X|Arthasprefferably something were uploading a file does not take 1 hour
10:45.51JademusSregDropbox, haha.
10:46.05HP-X|Arthasisnt that slow as shit too :\
10:46.12JademusSregNot for me.
10:46.14Kuekenmediafire used to be awesome, no ads, no registration, just upload and forget
10:46.35Kuekenbut they changed policy at some point
10:47.25HP-X|ArthasThey all do when they see moneys :(
10:47.30JademusSregThere are some other good file sites, I imagine, but dropbox fills my needs for most purposes.
10:48.41HP-X|ArthasI really need to stop being so lazy.... I have an untitled notepad document up with the date 18/3
10:48.46HP-X|ArthasWhat did I forget to do :D
10:48.50JademusSregBetween dropbox and ftp, my file distribution needs are covered.
10:49.33JademusSregIt's not laziness if you forget. =D
10:49.42HP-X|ArthasTrue, it's alcohol
10:49.44HP-X|ArthasBut still
10:49.52JademusSregHah.
10:49.53JademusSregbrb
10:49.56HP-X|Arthashttp://www.brandos.se/iron-fist/sabertooth-viper-platform-iflplh10426-black-pink/a56406 http://www.brandos.se/iron-fist/ruff-rider-platform-if14-ifl0682jax-purple/a41619
10:50.17HP-X|ArthasWhich ones
10:50.19HP-X|Arthas:)
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10:52.16Kubi-CELLFack you facking queerahs.
10:52.47HP-X|ArthasGood morning to you too!
11:03.44Eagles_I think Kubi has something against queers
11:04.51JademusSregNot at all; he's clearly expressing an interest in being intimate.
11:05.20JademusSregVery intimate.
11:05.29Kubi-CELLI am being a bostonian
11:05.30Kubi-CELLFack.
11:05.35Kubi-CELLYou.
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11:05.45Kubi-CELLgetoff work in an hour and a half.
11:06.06Eagles_True, he may want to get intimate with queers, but saying facking before queers usually means you don't like em, you know?
11:08.11JademusSregI can't be certain; could just was well be an expression of desire.
11:08.42twodieasd
11:08.48Eagles_We never can be certain
11:10.48HP-X|ArthasKubi-CELL: are you drunk in the middle of the day
11:10.53HP-X|Arthasit's saturday, you shouldn't be working
11:11.33JademusSregHow any number of consenting entities choose to engage in intimacy, it's a good thing. <3
11:11.47HP-X|ArthasIs this a trick question?
11:11.51HP-X|ArthasI choose four.
11:12.27HP-X|ArthasWell, upon proof reading that was not even a question!
11:12.40JademusSregHaha.
11:13.03Kubi-CELLI work graveyard shift. Lol
11:13.43Kubi-CELLI should be drunk
11:13.51HP-X|ArthasWhat do you work with?
11:14.26HP-X|ArthasIf the job is critical to society it's ok (and preferred) to be sober.
11:14.31HP-X|ArthasOtherwise naaaah
11:15.10JademusSregInteresting. Seems there's a good reason to make use of Spawn behaviors, since it added a Conjoined Link.
11:15.28HP-X|ArthasIf it's a call center where you worked for at least 3 weeks, I personally guarantee you can be wasted as hell and still perform well.
11:28.30Kubi-CELLNope security at a convention center.
11:28.54Kubi-CELLThat plus gi bill and bitting wow for gold makes a good large monthly income.
11:30.36Kubi-CELLI think im going to play a new game, called get drunk and answer editor questions on sc2mapster and Blizzard forums.
11:31.03Kubi-CELLMaybe ill get mvp
11:32.29Kubi-CELLLOLOLOL
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12:41.40ErikIWhat would be a good way to add support for equipping weapons and armor?
12:42.05ErikIA container looks nice, but I still want the user to have 6 empty inventory slots without the container taking up one
12:42.20Kuekenin which sense? visuals or functional?
12:42.21ErikIAnd I cant find a way to give it 7 inventory slots
12:42.22Kuekenah
12:42.24Kuekenfunctional
12:42.30ErikIYeah
12:43.20Kuekenso you need a container and 6 additional slots?
12:43.40ErikIYeah
12:43.53Kuekenwhat about 2 containers?
12:44.02Kuekenor one with enough slots
12:44.04ErikII thought they made inventories better in some patch(1.5 maybe?)
12:44.16ErikIto allow for more than 6 slots open by default
12:44.34Kuekenyou can get containers to be always open
12:44.43ErikIReally? How?
12:44.48ErikIDoes it include messing with layout files?
12:45.05Kuekennot necessarily, but that would improve the experience
12:45.38Kuekenbasic concept is hooking up the container as inventory item and make it show via trigger
12:45.53ErikISo technically, to get the effect of having an inventory with 7 slots, I could make a container with 7 slots and hide the normal inventory?
12:46.16Kuekenyes, there is a post on mapster describing exactly that
12:46.41Kuekenhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/gui/40021-9-slot-inventory-always-open/
12:46.44ErikIDo you have a link? I've searched through a lot of sc2mapster recently. I must've missed it
12:46.47ErikIThanks
12:47.09Kuekenthat one messes with layout files quite a bit, though
12:47.29Kuekenand he doesn't provide an example map
12:47.34ErikII haven't experimented with layout files before
12:47.47ErikII understand that they're xml files and that you overwrite them somehow
12:47.49Kuekenat least not for the 9 slot inventory
12:47.55Kuekenyes
12:48.15Kuekenit is now easier, because you can du it in the ui part of the editor
12:48.25Kuekeninstead of having to mess with the actual files
12:48.33Kuekensyntax is still the same though
12:48.36ErikIOh, I forgot about the UI editor
12:49.02ErikISec, let me try out just hooking up the inventory
12:49.24ErikII got another inventory that I wanted to be bigger than 6 slots, so I had to have a container that didn't open by default
12:49.40ErikIBecause I think this was before 1.5
12:49.54Kuekenquick thing I'd like to mention
12:50.04KuekenI messed with data inventory a lot
12:50.16Kuekenand my advice would be to use triggers instead :D
12:50.29ErikIYeah, the data inventory seems really limited
12:50.57ErikIHowever, I feel like using triggers and dialogs is more work and more prone to create bugs
12:51.02ErikIalthough it is better when it works
12:52.07ErikII am using a heavily modified version of Helral's old dialog inventory system for my map in another part of it
12:52.16ErikIand it's been a pain :P
12:52.43ErikII probably should've coded it myself from the ground up but I didn't realize that I wanted something fundamentally different from what his system offered.
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12:54.53ErikIHmm, I cant seem to get the hookup to work
12:55.02ErikIas described in the first trigger in that post
12:55.28ErikIDialog - Hooks up an existing Panel in the standard UI called "UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/InventoryPanel/ContainerPanel00"
12:56.06ErikIDo I have to do something else to get it to work? Like messing around with the layout files?
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13:06.08KuekenI don't think so
13:06.14Kuekennever tried it, though
13:06.55Kuekenwhat happens?
13:07.06Kuekennothing, error message?
13:07.18ErikIit doesn't set (Last Created Dialog)
13:07.41ErikIso when I try to save the hooked up dialog, I dont get an actual dialog that I can show/hide
13:08.09ErikII am looking through Renee's 1.5 test map atm which does the same thing, I think.
13:09.15KubiWHAT THE FACK YOU FACKING QUEERS
13:09.46KubiWHY DID YOU DO THAT KUEKEN
13:09.49KubiWHY
13:09.52Kuekenyou don't hook it up as a dialog
13:09.57KuekenI think
13:10.01Kubiokay
13:10.03Kubiwhats the problem
13:10.06Kubiyou have 10 seconds
13:10.07Kuekendialog item is it not?
13:10.13ErikIOh
13:10.30KubiYou trying to make a centered inventory?
13:10.35ErikII'm stupid
13:10.39ErikIYou're right
13:10.40Kubiindded
13:10.51ErikINot centered necessarily, just larger than 6-slots will do
13:10.52KubiSome would say
13:10.54Kubiyea
13:10.57KubiI have the UI file for that
13:11.07Kubigiven to me by ckSynergy
13:11.26ErikIIf the hookup works correctly, I can just use containers without messing with the UI files.
13:11.35Kubiit's a easy.
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13:12.36Kubii need to get drunk
13:12.37ErikIBut what is the point? I'm sure it looks nicer in some way, but how does it look nicer? What does it actually do?
13:12.53KubiWell
13:13.01KubiIt centers it on your screen, makes it 50x50
13:13.09Kuekenalso Kubi, I know you like to post a lot, but could you use pastebin for this one? ;)
13:13.10Kubiand adds a slot for weapon/armor/energy
13:13.28KubiKueken are you being an asshole, or you actually want the layout file
13:13.52Kuekenneither, just thinking its easier to c&p from there
13:13.54ErikIIt does look kind of messy like that
13:14.04KubiWell if your interested let me know
13:14.06ErikIand it's hard to copy
13:14.10Kubiits the same layout file as
13:14.14KubiHero Attack X3
13:14.18Kubiby ckSynergy
13:14.31KubiAdds standard 5 item slots, plus weapon/armor/energy
13:14.58ErikIBy using a container with 8 slots?
13:15.04Kubi2 containers
13:15.10Kubi1 container for 5 items
13:15.14Kubiand another for weapon/armor/energy
13:15.15ErikIOkay
13:15.20ErikII am interested
13:15.30KubiYou played hero attack x3?
13:15.36ErikINo, I didn't
13:16.23ErikIWhat I'd like is one container with 6 items in the standard position and one container with 2 slots for weapon/armor to the left of it
13:16.39Kubihttp://pastebin.com/iHFM5ycn
13:16.44Kubiyeah 6
13:16.45Kubinot 5
13:16.46Kubimy bad
13:16.57Kubiwell making them in the standard position
13:17.00Kubiwould take long
13:17.30ErikIReally?
13:17.42Kubicredit to cksynergy
13:17.58Kubiyeah change the x y values
13:18.16ErikISo, how do I actually put this file in-game?
13:18.22ErikII assume I do it somewhere in the UI editor?
13:18.33Kubisave to text file
13:18.34Kubiimport it
13:18.35Kubivia editor
13:18.41Kubithen in Game UI settings in Data editor
13:18.42Kubiadd it
13:19.03KubiCustom Layout Files +
13:19.04KubiThen
13:19.06KubiIn a trigger
13:19.16Kubiplayer selects unit
13:19.20KubiUnit Type = Hero
13:19.47KubiOpen Container                 Unit - Open Inventory Container 6 on (Triggering unit) for (Player group((Triggering player)))
13:21.24ErikIand how should the inventory be set up
13:21.26ErikI?
13:22.02Kubioh
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13:22.28KubiFieldEnhancements Container
13:22.29Kubi(Basic) Slots +((None)|(None)|(None)):((Weapon)|(Armor)|(Energy)):(None|None|None):(Enabled|Enabled|Enabled):(0|0|0):(0|1|2)
13:22.31KubiAdd new Container
13:22.51Kubiand add weapon/armor/energy
13:23.05KubiThen in your inventory ability
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13:23.18Kubiand your 6 slots, then enhancement container
13:23.41Kubithat ui is configured for 5 slots though
13:23.46Kubiafk
13:23.49ErikIBy the way, I tried what you said and I got a 5 slot inventory in the center of the screen. I also got an UI error: "UI: File[testlayout.SC2Layout] Line [167] Column [13] Document error: testlayout.SC2Layout( 167,13) : XML : no element found;"
13:24.06Kubiu gon fucked up
13:25.28Kubioh
13:25.29Kubiadd
13:25.33Kubi</Desc>
13:25.35Kubito the bottom of it
13:25.37Kubiwas cut off
13:25.48ErikIah
13:26.18ErikICould I take his layout file from here instead: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/gui/40021-9-slot-inventory-always-open/
13:26.25Kubisurrre
13:26.27ErikISince it seems configured for 6 slots instead of five
13:26.35Kubiits by the same guy
13:26.41ErikIYeah
13:27.42Kubi-CELLGood night all!
13:27.47ErikIGood night
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13:47.24DustinMonring!
13:47.29DustinMorning*
13:47.33DustinAlso happy holidays!
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14:14.26twodieholidays?
14:36.37Dustin4/20 sir
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15:02.11twodiewhat happened at 4/20 that you have to celebrate
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15:14.11HP-X|Arthastwodie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/420_%28cannabis_culture%29
15:14.20HP-X|Arthas?
15:14.56twodieokay
15:15.32ErikIKubi, you still here?
15:15.45HP-X|ArthasWell
15:15.49HP-X|ArthasThat or Hitlers birth
15:15.55HP-X|ArthasDon't know what else would make this day stand out
15:15.57ErikII am getting a "UI: Font Style [] was not found for...." error for all the container slots
15:18.58DustinHP-X|Arthas,was right the first time
15:19.01DustinITS WEED DAY SON
15:23.02ErikIAre there any SC2Layout bugs I should know about?
15:23.21ErikIBecause it feels so random. Sometimes, my layout file only moves the frame without resizing
15:23.24ErikIand sometimes it does both
15:25.05ErikISo it turns out
15:25.09ErikIThe first time I test, it works fine
15:25.27ErikIAll tests after that, it only moves without resizing and stuff
15:25.42ErikIThe only fix I've found is to delete it from the UI editor and recreate it.
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15:27.35A1winmmh I wonder how to tell players which areas are capturable and which are the team bases
15:29.42A1winI guess the team bases should have a less distinct coloring, so that you can still tell which team's base it is, but otherwise should look like they're just planets without team coloring D:
15:30.00HP-X|ArthasDustin: Thought so
15:30.02HP-X|Arthas:p
15:30.35HP-X|ArthasNow I'm about to..... fold clothes
15:30.43HP-X|Arthas#sc2mapster irc - My own personal twitter!
15:31.05HP-X|ArthasI'm going to make a personal instagram thread on the boards too!
15:31.26HP-X|ArthasYou like pictures of food, dogs and drunk women?
15:31.29ErikIGood, I've been waiting to see what your breakfast looks like
15:32.10DustinI love pictures of food, dogs and drunk women
15:34.51HP-X|ArthasGood!
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15:38.37tinyrpghello
15:38.41tinyrpgcan anyone help me
15:39.58A1winnobody knows
15:40.19tinyrpg"can't queue that order"
15:40.42tinyrpgmy drone can't make structures like scv
15:40.55tinyrpgcan't queue
15:41.21A1wincheck what's different in drone's build and SCV's build abilities
15:42.53A1winnot sure if they even use the same parent ability since drone morphs and SCV doesn't
15:43.14A1winif they don't, then you should replicate the SCVs build ability for the drone and just change the structures that can be built with it
15:43.33ErikISeriously, I just cant get this to work. Everytime I do something with this layout file, it works fine the first time I test and the second time it gives an error.
15:44.06ErikIThe error is: "UI: File [DescIndex.SC2Layout] Line [3] Column [5]. Failed to load included Desc File [UI/Layout/test2.SC2Layout]."
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15:48.50CardanisKueken, you're awesome
15:49.11CardanisI spent an hour looking at your baneblade trying to figure out how you did the knockback on the main blasts
15:49.21Cardanisuntil I noticed that you were launching them as if they were missiles. . .
15:49.25CardanisI didn't even know that was possible
15:49.46Kuekenthat functionality was enabled in a recent patch
15:49.53Kuekeneither 1.5 or hots, not sure
15:50.09Kuekenthe video from the baneblade used a different method
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15:50.24CardanisFair enough. I saw the apply force method, and it was throwing me off
15:50.32CardanisI was like "It's NOT CONNECTED TO ANYTHING!!!"
15:50.43Kuekenoh, I didn't delete it?
15:50.44Kueken:D
15:50.54CardanisThough, while flying do they still count as units? Can' they shoot and be shot at?
15:51.10Cardanis(and where do you find all the stuff that they change in the patches?)
15:51.19KuekenFrom what I know, yes, but I didn't test it extensively
15:51.26tinyrpgwhy is sc2 editor too slow
15:51.33Kuekenpatchnotes and froum posts :D
15:51.36tinyrpgi am using this on lowest graphics
15:52.20Kuekenwell, graphics have not much to do with it
15:52.39Kuekenyou can close the terrain module when handling data or triggers, that helps a little
15:52.45Cardanissweet. And I can even make them trigger an on impact effect can't I? I could make a unit that flings other units at the enemy to do damage, right?
15:52.53Kuekenalso using an SSD helps big time
15:53.11KuekenCardanis: yes, should be possible
15:53.46CardanisSweet. That'd be hilarious.  Any idea how an array of movers could be used? To get variance in the launch arcs? Or is that changeable within the movers? (Movers confuse the heck outa me)
15:56.30Kuekenyou can get some variance in the mover itself, but thats limited
15:56.48Kuekenif you want to use different movers, you need separate launch effects and a switch probably
15:56.48CardanisAlso, on the persistent that launches them, why do you have an offset of y=-10?
15:56.57Cardanisya, that's what I was thinking too
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15:57.14Kuekenthat causes the units to get knocked back by 10
15:57.34ErikIThe UI editor seems bugged to me. I opened my map with a mpq editor and found the DescIndex.SC2Layout. It referred to my layout file but my layout file was never actually included in the map so it couldn't find it at that location.
15:57.40Kuekenyou can also add multiple offsets and check the random offset flag to get some variance there
15:57.59CardanisIsn't the knockback decided by the mover?
15:58.11Kuekennot the way I set it up
15:58.22KuekenI use a parabolic mover, which impacts at target point
15:59.09CardanisOkay, so what's deciding where they go? The periodic offset?
15:59.50Kuekenyes
16:00.15CardanisOH! Does SC2 use Z as up?
16:00.21Kuekenyes
16:00.26Cardanis<(-_-')>
16:00.27CardanisKAY!
16:00.30Cardanisthings make sense now.
16:00.51CardanisI kept wondering why you put the offset under them, in the ground lol
16:00.58Kueken:)
16:01.17Kuekennegative y is always forward in sc2
16:02.43Cardanisgood to know! lol
16:02.46Kuekenand I set the offset reference locations, so it points away from the explosion towards the unit hit
16:03.14Kuekenso forward by 10 causes the unit to get knocked back 10 from the center of the explosion
16:03.40Kuekenhowever, I am pretty sure it bugs out on the main target, would need special handling
16:04.41Kuekenfor the example map thats a non-issue, because the main target dies guaranteed
16:05.03CardanisYa, there's a bunch of cool stuff going on here i never knew was possible, trying to figure out the mechanics behind it all so I can use it in other things
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16:31.29ErikIAnyone know how to get the item: Equip Behavior or Equip Weapon fields to work?
16:31.52DustinI use the Equip Behavior fine
16:31.54ErikICurrently, they seem to do the same thing as carry behavior
16:32.24ErikII want them to not give the weapon/behavior if they're not in the item container with the "equip" checked
16:32.52ErikISo yeah, they give the behavior inside the container but they also give it in the normal inventory.
16:33.03ErikISo how do I make the normal inventory ability not count as "equipped"?
16:33.04DustinJust set one equipped item slot type to weapon
16:33.09DustinAnd make that item type weapon
16:33.19Dustinsomething like that
16:35.03ErikIThat's what I'm doing
16:35.19ErikII have a container with two slots
16:35.38ErikIBoth of them have equipped checked and one has the the class gun and the other has the class Armor
16:36.10ErikIWhen I pick up a gun, it immediately gives me the behavior and weapon even though it's not equipped yet.
16:36.16Kuekenthe equipped/carried differentiation works only within a container afaik
16:36.23ErikISigh
16:36.51ErikIWell that's yet another motivation for me to make the normal inventory in a container instead so I can have 6 slots instead of five.
16:37.00Kueken:)
16:37.39ErikII still find the UI editor incredibly annoying to use. Changes only last one testing
16:37.48ErikIthen they revert back to the saved one
16:39.10ErikILike, my changes are still locally, but to get the editor to use them, I have to modify the UI file again(add a new line for example)
16:39.16ErikIand then it'll use the correct one.
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16:42.29firefirehey
16:44.00firefirethere is carrion nest in editor
16:44.10firefirei can't select units nearby it
16:44.32firefirei can select only carrion nest by dragging
16:48.11KuekenErikI: I don't think, you are supposed to use files anymore
16:48.42ErikII'm not using files really. I meant the layout in the UI editor
16:49.00ErikIBasically, that's what was causing my earlier error
16:49.09ErikIThere is a local version in the editor and a saved version inside the map
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16:49.27ErikIif I test the map after doing a change, it'll use my local version
16:49.46ErikIbut the second time I test, it'll use my saved version
16:49.52firefirehttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/51739-cant-select-units-nearby-carrion-nest/#p1
16:50.00ErikIThe problem is that it doesn't ever save the map for me
16:50.14ErikIso the second time, I got an error because it tried to include a non-existant layout file
16:50.22ErikII checked my map with an SC2 editor and there was no map there
16:50.45ErikIMPQ editor*
16:50.53ErikIso I added one by modifying the map with the mpq editor
16:50.58ErikIand then everything works fine
16:51.17ErikIexcept if I dont make a change before every time I test, it reverts to the old version I added with the MPQ editor.
16:52.19firefireanyone know solution
16:57.40firefirehello
16:57.48ErikIHi
16:57.54firefirecarrion nest has same flags
16:57.59firefirei dont understand it at all
16:58.13ErikIIf I knew the solution, I would've told you the first time you asked.
16:58.14ErikISorry :(
17:00.29G0Alol melee game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft1XOGu8naQ
17:02.26Kuekenfirefire: some models have issues with selection. Try to use just the model for the carrion nest and see what changes
17:02.50firefirethis program is too slow
17:03.03firefirei dont think i can see the differance
17:03.28Kueken*try to change*
17:03.35firefirechange what
17:03.52KuekenI did mean to say try to change just the model
17:04.08firefirei want to use carrion nest model
17:04.21ErikIYeah, but try changing the model to something else, say a marine
17:04.24firefireactor
17:04.24ErikIand see if it works
17:04.35firefirename of model?
17:04.55Kuekenanything that works
17:05.10Kuekenmarine for example
17:05.43firefirei dont understand what you mean sry
17:05.51ErikIOkay
17:06.00ErikIThe carrion nest model is causing problems, right?
17:06.15firefireactor or unit
17:06.17firefirei dont know
17:06.24firefirethis program is too slow
17:06.27ErikIYou cant select units close to it and you can only select it by drag selecting, right?
17:06.38CardanisKueken, does the persist have to be in a set?
17:06.45firefireyes
17:06.52KuekenCardanis: no
17:06.52CardanisYou have the search using a "Main Set", and the set only has one effect which is the persist
17:07.08Kuekenit had more effects before, when I used force effects
17:07.30ErikIOkay, so me and Kueken just want to know if it is the Model that is causing the problem.
17:07.40Kuekenexactly
17:07.52ErikIIs your carrion nest a unit?
17:07.56ErikIor a doodad?
17:08.31firefireit is unit
17:08.36ErikIOkay
17:08.40firefirei found it in data
17:08.44ErikIGood
17:08.53ErikIcan you find your unit's actor?
17:09.06firefireyes
17:09.11ErikIOkay
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17:09.14firefireunder unit info
17:09.27ErikISelect your unit actor in the data editor
17:09.50ErikICan you find a field called "(Basic) Art: Model" ?
17:10.56firefireye
17:11.04firefirechange it?
17:11.07ErikIOpen it up and set it to Marine
17:11.08ErikIyes
17:11.56firefireit looks like marine now
17:12.02ErikIGreat
17:12.06ErikINow test it out
17:12.13ErikIDo you still have the same problems?
17:12.15firefirecan't select units
17:15.00Kuekenso exactly the same problem?
17:15.05Kuekenor did anything change
17:15.21firefiresame problem
17:16.07Kuekenalright, so its not the model causing the issue
17:16.12Kuekenthats good news
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17:18.25firefirebut i can do nothing
17:21.37firefirewhy is this good news
17:21.37Kuekenah
17:21.43firefirei think eveyone left
17:21.49KuekenI think I misunderstood the problem
17:21.57Kuekenselect the model again
17:22.06Kuekenand change the Selection Layer field to 1
17:22.06firefireactor or model
17:22.09Kuekenmodel
17:22.50Cardanisit seems as if units being launched as missiles can't attack, but can be attacked
17:22.54Kuekenalso undo the change you did before
17:23.05firefirewhy is the editor too slow
17:23.45Kuekenturn off the object explorer, switch to list view, close terrain editor if you don't need it, get a SSD
17:24.07firefiremine is SSD
17:24.10firefirenot HDD
17:24.11Kuekenthat improves editor performance, but doesn't make it super fast by any means
17:24.29firefirethanks now it works
17:25.03Cardanisbest bet when data editing is keeping your source set to the mod you're working on
17:25.15ErikIIf you have an SSD, you should be fine. I'm working on a two year old computer without SSD and it's fast enough
17:25.29Kuekenand always have something written in the search field :D
17:26.50firefirei removed creep behaviors or larva, hatchery
17:26.57firefire*of
17:27.06firefirebut it doesnt spawn larva
17:27.20Kuekenlarva die instantly when not on creep
17:27.36firefireremoved creep behaviors of larva, hatchery
17:27.44firefirethere is no die behavior
17:28.17Kuekennot anymore you mean?
17:28.34Kuekenit is there by default
17:28.34firefirelarva has only larva wander behavior
17:28.38Kuekenokay
17:28.56Kuekenthen the larva spawn ability probably has an oncreep validator somewhere
17:29.04ErikIEhm, firefire
17:29.12ErikIIt has a behavior called "Death Off Creep"
17:29.19ErikIwhich sounds related
17:29.28firefireremoved all creep behavior
17:29.43ErikITry the map out again, you sure it doesn't work now?
17:29.59firefirei need to see ability now
17:30.32firefirethere is behavior not ability
17:33.00firefirethere is no validator
17:33.49firefirein the behavior hatchery spawn larva
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17:35.09gooosei need a model that is like the kil jaeden model from wc3 (upright standing walking creature [optional: with glow] that looks powerful
17:35.12goooseany input
17:35.41firefiredo you know how to spawn larva not on creep
17:36.17gooosei think they have a behavior or validator that kills them offcreep remove it
17:37.24firefirebut
17:37.27firefirei removed them all
17:38.06RepoNew map: Star Heroes - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/star-heroes/
17:38.56gooosesome model that is similar to hybrids would do as well
17:39.06gooosejust not the normal hybrid models
17:40.13firefireMover is creep
17:40.16firefirei think its the problem
17:40.53firefireNow i have 3 larvas finally
17:42.58gooosewait what was your problem :? spawning or moving them
17:44.37JademusSregZoop.
17:46.28KuekenShark.
17:46.32firefirespawn larva without creep
17:47.01JademusSregHaha, this person again.
17:47.26Kuekenso the mover of type creep didn't allow their spawning, because there was no creep and they find no placement location
17:47.39Kuekeninteresting
17:47.43firefirelol so logical
17:52.06gooose~küken
17:52.27gooosekueken purl doesnt know you
17:52.34gooose~gooose
17:52.34purlmethinks gooose is a water-dwelling avian specimen with 3 testicles.
17:53.07JademusSregAh, that explains the three o.
17:58.28goooseyea :P and the fact that goose is registered
17:59.04gooosesooo.. the hybrid death black model is not actually used by anything right?
18:00.25twodieJademusSreg so do you know how to make model using ground textures?
18:01.42ErikIDoes anyone know how to move item containers with layout files?
18:02.18ErikII am trying to modify the anchors, but the only time it makes a difference is when I mess with the InventoryContainer they are in
18:02.57JademusSregI don't model, so it is beyond my knowledge.
18:03.09ErikII want to modify two containers differently from eachother so if I modify the parent to both, they'll still have the same position in regards to eachother
18:04.00Kuekengooose: I used it for some cool spells :D
18:04.09twodieKueken so do you know how to make model using ground textures?
18:04.17twodieZolden sent me
18:04.21twodieredericted
18:04.30Kuekenwell, somewhat
18:04.39Kuekenits very restricted though
18:04.52gooosekueken yea thats what i wanted to do and well now i m looking into the zeratul 4 mission to see how the ability to kill the zerg was done :P
18:05.09Kuekenyou can use the new creep engulfment on any model, so it is covered by creep, up to a level you can set
18:05.18Kuekenand you can use a custom texture for creep
18:05.29Kuekenso its limited to only 1 texture on and off
18:05.53KuekenI think I have an example map somewhere...
18:06.57goooseuhhhhm was the victory sequence actually a cinematic???
18:07.18gooosethe model isnt used in that map but it s usesd in the victory cinematic
18:09.37twodie.
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18:18.54CardanisSo, Kueken, I'm trying to get the flail animation to work while they're flying
18:19.04Cardanisand I've more or less copied what you've done, and run into two problems
18:19.22Cardanis1) The flail behavior is never actually removed, even though I have it set to remove on impact
18:19.28Cardanis2) It doesn't play the flail animation
18:20.56Kuekenbut it works in my map?
18:21.06Cardanisyup
18:21.12Cardanisi can pastebin the xml if you want
18:21.38Cardaniswait, i think i fixed the applying/removing thing
18:21.42Cardanisi'll see if that fixes it
18:23.51Fatelooking for maptester NA bnet
18:26.15Kuekentwodie: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/969znl1w5igbwhe/CreepEngulf.jpg
18:26.29Kuekenneed the map?
18:26.33twodielol
18:26.37twodiewell
18:26.40twodieits creep related
18:26.45twodiehow about model itself
18:27.21KuekenI wouldn't know, creep engulfment is all I have in that department
18:27.25twodiewhat fields do i need to fill up that when moving model in terrain editor it would get the texture of the ground beneath
18:27.44twodieok, thanks for your time :/
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18:29.45MoonEaterJADE
18:29.48MoonEaterI SUMMON THEE!!!
18:29.54JademusSregQuack.
18:29.56MoonEaterI SUMMON THEE!!!
18:30.00MoonEaterso
18:30.06MoonEateri was importing sounds
18:30.08MoonEater.wavs
18:30.18MoonEaterone works one doesnt
18:30.20MoonEatervery odd
18:30.44JademusSregWere they moved?
18:30.58MoonEatermoved?
18:31.05A1winJademusSreg, any ideas how to make it clear that some areas can be captured and some not o:
18:31.15JademusSregYes.
18:31.22MoonEateri just swapped out the assests from data mod to test
18:31.36MoonEaterwhen i say "move?" i mean clarify
18:31.41MoonEateri imported?
18:32.30JademusSregMoon, if their paths in the mpq were modified, such as by using the Move command to, say, move them to root, or a subdirectory of Assets/
18:32.51MoonEaterwell im not sure
18:32.54MoonEatershould i reimport?
18:33.09JademusSregA1, a team-colored object, with optional decal slot.
18:34.24A1winbut I also need to make the bases team colored
18:34.30A1winand they can't be captured
18:35.47Kuekenjade, need something for your demo map collection? ;)
18:36.07Kuekenhttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/969znl1w5igbwhe/CreepEngulf.jpg
18:36.24JademusSregTo show the range/area of capturable territory, one could use a team-colored glow model, vectors, light, and/or decorative objects (like flags or comparable).
18:36.34JademusSregingests demo.
18:37.10JademusSregOr, and decal slot.
18:38.31Kuekenhttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/gh7053kaxo09err/Creep%20Engulf.SC2Map
18:39.27JademusSregYep, nice camoflauge.
18:39.39JademusSreg*camouflage
18:40.09CardanisKueken: This is the actor for the flail animation http://pastebin.com/h0vCZAgR
18:40.14CardanisIt still doesn't flail
18:40.32Kuekenyou forgot the target field
18:40.57Cardanisin the events?
18:41.05Kuekenfor the message
18:41.21Kuekenyou send it to the simple actor
18:41.29Kuekenyou need to send it to the unit actor
18:42.07Cardanisso I need to have an event for every unit that can flail?
18:42.22Kuekenno, just send it to ::Main
18:42.49Cardaniswhich sends it to the triggering unit?
18:43.11Kuekenselect the message you have and type ::Main in the target field
18:43.22Kuekentarget is the topmost field and is usually empty
18:43.30Cardanisgot that now, I'm just wondering what ::Main does
18:43.45Kuekenits a reference to the main actor of the scope
18:43.52Kuekenin this case thats the unit actor
18:44.06Kuekenyou can just as well use _Selectable or _Unit
18:44.12MoonEaterJADE
18:44.16MoonEaterSUMMON!!!
18:44.43Cardanishmmm, still no flailing
18:44.47MoonEaterJademusSreg
18:44.51CardanisIt applies the behavior properly
18:44.54JademusSreg?
18:45.01CardanisBut for some reason isn't triggering this actor
18:45.05MoonEateri reimported but
18:45.11MoonEaterit wont play the sound
18:45.16MoonEateror even test the sound in data
18:45.18JademusSregDid you save?
18:45.33Cardanishold on
18:45.33Kuekenyou can only set the target field for the animation messages
18:45.35Cardanisdo i set ::Main as the target for all four events?
18:45.40Kuekennot for create and destroy
18:45.58Cardanisokay, ya that's what I had before
18:46.30Kuekenare you using HotS dependencies?
18:46.51Kuekenmany units gain their flail animation onl yin HotS as far as I am aware
18:46.52MoonEaterJademusSreg i saved
18:46.52MoonEaterstill
18:47.01MoonEaterit works in the import but not in data
18:48.55CardanisYup, everything's in hots
18:49.37Cardanisand I'm shooting at marines
18:49.59Kuekentried the same actor events on the marines yet?
18:50.41Cardanisthat's what i'm doing now, checking them in the cutscene editor
18:50.49Cardaniscould it be a problem with my unit actors?
18:51.23Kuekentheoretically yes, but I doubt it
18:52.05CardanisWell, the cutscene editor shows that they do have the animation
18:52.17CardanisI just couldn't see it because it wigged out and the viewports were just solid gray
18:52.51JademusSregMoon, is the reference correct?
18:54.55MoonEateri belive so
18:55.07MoonEateri just been removed everything and readded and remade the data
18:55.17MoonEaterwhen i test with one wav it works
18:55.20MoonEaterbut the other still not working
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18:56.38MoonEaterJademusSreg
18:56.54CardanisIt would help if my editor would stop crashing
18:57.28Kuekennah, the crashing tells you its still alive
18:57.34CardanisHahaha
18:57.44CardanisEh, Ima take a break from this right now
18:57.46Cardanisthanks though
18:57.47goooseffs... making a seperate trigger called hybrid explosion for a behavior hybrid singularity... FFS
18:57.59goooseblizz FU
18:59.12JademusSregShow the Sound data, paste the xml.
18:59.46MoonEater<PROTECTED>
19:00.51JademusSregBoth of them?
19:01.21MoonEateri just switch out this one
19:01.31MoonEaterwith professor.wav
19:01.31MoonEaterto test
19:01.53Cardanisweird, if I change the animation to walk it works
19:01.56Cardanisflail just . . . doesn't
19:03.34MoonEaterJademusSreg
19:03.57JademusSregHaha, IceBrokenGroundEdging material is listed in the model info as [0: 07 - Default], Type = Null
19:04.03MoonEater??
19:04.19JademusSregMoon, gotta give me more information.
19:04.26JademusSregBoth sound entries you made.
19:04.34MoonEateri only made one
19:04.36MoonEateroh
19:04.42MoonEaterwhen i switch out the assest
19:04.44JademusSregYou have 2 sounds, right?
19:04.46MoonEaterit looks like
19:05.17MoonEater<PROTECTED>
19:05.25MoonEaterthat works but the other doesnt
19:05.42MoonEaterand i test it in import and it works but the moment i change the assetarray it doesnt
19:07.05MoonEaterJademusSreg
19:07.27JademusSregI can't quite imagine what you're doing. New map, import only the sound file you want, save, go to sound data, add new entry, set sound data asset link, save, test.
19:08.47Fatestill looking for maptester NA bnet
19:09.43JademusSregMay be available later.
19:11.37MoonEaterkk
19:13.36JademusSregStrangely named material on this mode. Standard_1asdsadasds3sdasdfsdfasdfdfsaddsafd.
19:13.40JademusSreg*model
19:13.44JademusSregHaha
19:13.46JademusSregbrb
19:26.45MoonEaterJademusSreg
19:26.52MoonEaterit doesnt work on a new map either
19:31.14JademusSregHow large is the sound file?
19:31.25MoonEatervery
19:31.43JademusSregWilling to bet it will not ever work.
19:31.57MoonEaterit used to
19:32.12MoonEaterthere was a update i think
19:32.50JademusSregReformat it. With a low enough bitrate you might be able to squeeze it in.
19:33.32MoonEatergeex
19:33.38MoonEateru know a good program to do that?
19:34.36JademusSregNearly any program that works with sound, I'd expect. I use Audition, but there's no shortage of alternatives.
19:35.30MoonEateris it free?
19:35.40JademusSregNope.
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19:54.39MoonEaterJademusSreg
19:54.45MoonEaterits working now
19:54.47MoonEateri resampled
19:54.50JademusSregMagic.
19:54.51MoonEaterto a lower rate
19:54.59MoonEatersrunk it by over 50%
19:55.04MoonEater3mb
19:55.06JademusSregYep.
19:55.53A1winhow fast does one drone gather minerals?
19:55.55TaintedwispJademus, You suck... Fix my progress bar
19:55.56A1win*worker
19:56.03Taintedwispwhore
19:56.06A1winas in minerals per minute
19:56.34JademusSregTaint, I suck expertly, good of you to notice my proficiency.
19:57.07Taintedwisp:)
19:57.11JademusSregA1, TL forums would have that thoroughly documented.
19:57.17TaintedwispHey how you like my Player leveling bar placement?
19:57.24Taintedwisphttp://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Screenshot2013-04-1922_14_40_zps0ffa76be.jpg
19:57.52TaintedwispFor everyone who hates photobucket
19:57.52Taintedwisphttp://i.imgur.com/1ZoXFn8.jpg
19:58.02JademusSregPretty much the worst thing I've seen today.
19:58.10Taintedwisplawl
19:58.14Taintedwispwhy?
19:58.30JademusSregIt's not logically related to all that other shit on the leaderboard.
19:58.30Taintedwispthe leaderboard collapses
19:58.33Taintedwisphahah
19:58.44TaintedwispSince when have i tried to do something logically
19:58.50JademusSregAnd an equal sign for no reason.
19:59.19Taintedwisp:( an equal sign looks better then :
19:59.36ErikII disagree
19:59.42JademusSregNeither of which are necessary.
20:00.02Taintedwisp:(
20:00.51JademusSregNice use of the volume test bar, iirc.
20:00.57A1win39-45 minearls per minute depending on distance
20:01.07Taintedwisp:)
20:01.30TaintedwispYeah I had no other choice then the leaderboard though I didnt want to clutter my UI
20:02.12TaintedwispStill working on adjusting it, but its hard because the damn thing is set up through forumlas rather then by actual numbers
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20:04.07gooosewhere can i see how a units animations look like?
20:04.12goooseso which ones look how
20:04.22gooosei forgot :P
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20:05.33pakmansup
20:05.41pakmanhow do i add weapon or ability to unit
20:05.44pakmanwith trigger
20:05.55JademusSregThe latter can't be done directly.
20:06.02pakmanhttp://i.imgur.com/HwsYQWf.jpg
20:06.05pakmanit doesnt work
20:06.21JademusSregThe former UnitWeaponAdd (unit inUnit, string inWeapon, string inTurret);
20:07.27JademusSregTo simulate adding abilities to units at runtime via trigger, the unit would already need to have the ability, and a command button assuming the standard interface, and requirements to toggle its access.
20:08.21pakmanso units must have weapon or ability
20:08.22JademusSregThen simply adding a behavior via trigger, which in turn would be counted by a requirement on the ability/command, woulod appear to add the ability.
20:08.36JademusSregNo, that's the solution for abilities.
20:08.44JademusSregWeapons can be added easily at runtime.
20:08.47JademusSregUnitWeaponAdd (unit inUnit, string inWeapon, string inTurret);
20:08.59pakmanwhat is that
20:09.17JademusSregThe galaxy script function for adding a weapon.
20:09.26pakmani use sc2 editor
20:09.36JademusSregSame here.
20:10.10pakmanmust i copy that and paste to?
20:10.38JademusSregNo, if you use gui triggers, you'd find the corresponding gui action that does the same thing.
20:10.41ErikIJademusSreg, is there a reason why his GUI version of what you're saying wouldn't work?
20:10.57JademusSregI hadn't checked the image yet.
20:10.58goooseso i want to view how the attack animation of a unit looks like how do i do that..
20:11.01ErikIAh
20:11.09ErikIcinematic editor
20:11.16ErikIor cutscene
20:11.35ErikIwhatever it's called these days
20:11.45pakmando you know why my trigger doesnt work?
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20:12.35JademusSregAny number of ways it could go wrong.
20:13.27pakmanwhy my trigger doesnt work?
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20:14.32KubiJademusSreg will help you
20:14.34Kubistep by step
20:14.36Kubiafk
20:14.55pakmanexplain me how to do "UnitWeaponAdd (unit inUnit, string inWeapon, string inTurret);"
20:15.04pakmani am just looking at trigger
20:15.32pakmani never saw something like that before
20:15.35goooseyea i know about the editor but how do i accces a specific animation
20:15.44gooosecutscene
20:15.46pakmani am just using the editor normally.
20:16.41JademusSregYou'd want to define a stage for the ability, you'd want to make sure the ability in the event has the stages you're trying to catch, you'd want to make certain the player in question is player 1 (not always a certainty given lobby groups), the unit match filters are clipped so can't be certain about those, the regions may be wrong references because they don't have semantically meaningful
20:16.41JademusSregnames, the units in the regions may not match the filters, the picked units may not have the attack ability, and the picked unit may not have the turret.
20:16.42TaintedwispJademus Why you no make Photon Tournament? WIth Photon discs, planes, and bikes.
20:17.14JademusSregAnd there may not be units in those regions at all.
20:17.51pakmani just want to add weapon not ability
20:17.59JademusSregAs for adding a weapon, the actions you're using already add weapons.
20:18.17pakmanit doesnt add weapon to unit
20:18.20JademusSregThose are the gui versions of the galaxy function I pasted.
20:18.29pakmanwhat is gui version
20:18.46JademusSregI enumerated a whole list of things that could possibly be wrong. ^
20:19.02pakmanjust help me of weapon not ability
20:19.27JademusSregYou wanted to know what was wrong with the trigger.
20:20.40pakmanyou didnt tell me of weapon
20:20.56TaintedwispI am bored..... -_- I guess I COULD implement that newish system :/
20:21.11KubiDo me a favor tainted.
20:21.13KubiDont
20:21.15JademusSregI did, pak. Read what was written above.
20:21.22pakmanUnitWeaponAdd (unit inUnit, string inWeapon, string inTurret);
20:21.28pakmanis this you told me
20:21.30pakmani dont understand
20:21.31TaintedwispWhy kubi?
20:22.10JademusSregYou're already using the gui action to add a weapon to a unit. That's not the issue.
20:22.17TaintedwispJademusSreg let me ask a quick question
20:22.38TaintedwispWould texture selecting by id ~220 units at once cause lag?
20:22.58JademusSregThere's a way to test that.
20:23.35TaintedwispI dont want to set up this entire system though to do it :/
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20:24.10TaintedwispI was thinking that a leveling reward could be a player unlocks a button that texture selects all his units
20:24.16Taintedwisp:)
20:24.22JademusSregHah.
20:24.26Taintedwispof course I would ONLY use ones that look good universally
20:24.52JademusSregI think I'll test this. It will be amusing.
20:24.57Taintedwispokie :)
20:25.31Taintedwispthis will be a bitch to set up, but will be aweomse if I do :)
20:25.39pakmanwhat is the issue?
20:25.48pakmani am using this action
20:26.57TaintedwispOtherwise I will just make it texture select the buildings :(
20:27.39JademusSreg1) Make 200 units. 2) actorbroadcast ModelSwap Civilian  3) actorbroadcast TextureSelectBySlot main {RequireAll diffuse}
20:27.40Taintedwispbut I think all the buildings the spawner and the army would be cooler
20:27.54Taintedwisp:)
20:28.18TaintedwispI SHOULD be making more heroes but I would rather do stupid stuff like this :)
20:29.16pakmanwhy don't you tell me the issue
20:29.18goooseok now i know the animation name i want to play ( stand02 ) but how do i make the unit execute it now... actors event uses abil anim play? i cant select it there
20:29.50pakmanmust i add weapon to the unit
20:30.00pakmanand i must allow weapon?
20:30.10Taintedwisphttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvCvsRp5ho
20:30.16pakmancan't i add weapon with only trigger?
20:30.47Taintedwisphttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di5j13t5xnE
20:31.21pakmanhey taintedwisp
20:31.28Taintedwispyo?
20:31.37pakmanhow do i add weapon to unit with trigger
20:31.59TaintedwispCatalogs.
20:32.13TaintedwispTHough I would just add a buff behavior to the unit that adds the weapon
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20:32.53pakmando you understand this
20:32.58pakmanhey
20:32.59TaintedwispSorry iw as disconnected
20:33.00JademusSregNope, didn't lag hardly a bit, Taint.
20:33.05pakmando you understand this
20:33.07TaintedwispYeah just add a buff behavior.
20:33.12pakmanUnitWeaponAdd (unit inUnit, string inWeapon, string inTurret);
20:33.16TaintedwispAdd behavior to unit
20:33.25TaintedwispThen just ad the weapon through the buff
20:33.27pakmanadd behavior to unit with trigger?
20:33.29Taintedwispit will be smoother
20:33.32Taintedwispyeah
20:33.34JademusSregThough I ModelSwap'd to CivilianMale, rather than Colonist.
20:33.38Taintedwispah
20:33.53TaintedwispWell I am going to have over 1000 units on the map and then texture select 200 of them
20:33.55pakmanadd weapon to unit with trigger?
20:34.01Taintedwispill think it over some more, if it isnt going to lag I might do it
20:34.09TaintedwispI think Imma make a few moe heroes first though using my bosses
20:35.03pakmanthis?
20:35.15pakmanadd 1 behavior to unit from picked unit?
20:35.26Taintedwispform picked player is better
20:35.33Taintedwispbut to each his own
20:35.38Taintedwispor triggering player or whatever player
20:35.44TaintedwispI usually use player 0
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20:36.20gooose.... how do i make a unit play its "stand 02" animation
20:36.21pakmani can select only unit
20:36.23pakmannot player
20:37.40JademusSregGoo, in what context?
20:37.49JademusSregYou mean by default?
20:38.38pakmanso
20:38.46pakmanmust i make every behaviors for each units
20:38.50pakmanand add behavior?
20:38.52goooseno if the unit attacks
20:38.59gooosei m using the space diablo model
20:39.00pakmani think i would make ability
20:39.12goooseit has 2 stand one freeze and one idle animations
20:39.16pakmani want to sacrifice 1 unit
20:39.23pakmanand give weapon of the unit to other unit.
20:39.50goooseso i want to play the animation "stand 02" when the unit uses a weapon
20:40.11JademusSregAh.
20:40.50gooosebut i dont know how to set the animation to stand02
20:41.18goooseweaponstart.diabloattack.attackstart
20:41.21goooseis the event
20:41.23JademusSregSo change the attack/weapon related actor events, set the content of the animplay or animbracket or animgroupapply to Stand,Variation 02.
20:41.30goooseanimplay
20:41.54JademusSregAnimPlay Attack {Stand,Variation 02}
20:42.10JademusSregOr rather, Variation 02 is what it is called in the pulldown.
20:42.28JademusSregDon't be decieved by the anim tag called Two(2)
20:42.48goooseso animation properties: stand and then the second one variation 2
20:43.11JademusSregYes, that sounds right.
20:44.47gooosethere is also a "standgl" animation how would i reference that?
20:45.00JademusSregDon't.
20:45.33JademusSregThat's probably controlled by the automated global looping, and it probably appears frozen in the viewer.
20:45.50goooseyes
20:46.58gooosedo i need a event stoping the animation?
20:48.52JademusSregProbably. Standard unit actor events, the huge list of gray ones, have some good examples.
20:49.03JademusSregOften it depends on the animation.
20:50.09gooosewell it looks a little weird right now the animation executes completely and incompletely alternating
20:50.27goooseshould i remove the normal weaponstart.* events?
20:51.00JademusSregYou could override them, if you like.
20:51.05JademusSregOr ignore them.
20:51.18goooseoh you can ignore events? how
20:51.31gooosei found it annoying how you could disable triggers but not events ^^
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20:51.52JademusSregI mean you the user just ignore it in this case, and make your own separate event.
20:52.24JademusSregBut overriding is fine too. Unless of course this is important, in which case a patch may break it.
20:53.06gooosewell i added my own event so i wasnt sure if 2 events with the same event terms would casue issues
20:53.17goooseone says play the attack animation the other one stand02
20:55.18CardanisSo, I have a simple actor that triggers when a unit gets a behavior, and is supposed to make that unit do an animation
20:55.27Cardaniswhen I set the animation to walk, it works fine
20:55.43Cardanisbut when the animation is set to flail, it just plays nothing (It's a marine, and has a flail animation)
20:55.49Cardanisanyone have any idea why it could be doing that?
20:56.49JademusSregSure. Are you setting the animation label or content?
20:57.57CardanisI use AnimationPlay, Animation Properties are Flail
20:58.13Cardanisand it's set on play forever
20:58.17gooosesoooo ok it plays the animation but its inconistent
20:58.19JademusSregPaste
20:58.33goooseusually it restarts the animation once another attack cycle starts
20:58.47gooosebut sometimes it plays the full 5 seconds animation cycle
20:59.09Cardanishttp://pastebin.com/5Vabz1Fp
20:59.20CardanisLike I said, it works if the animation is something like Walk, just not flail
20:59.40A1winuug been playing too much SC2 team games, haven't gotten anything done D:
20:59.44Cardanis(On a side note, for some reason my editor is showing only a gray screen when I try to look at models in either the model previewer or the cutscene editor)
21:02.01JademusSregSo which asset has the flail animation?
21:02.11Cardanisit's a marine model
21:02.25Cardanisor a reaper, or anything really
21:02.33Cardanisanything hit by the effect, but the test case is a marine
21:03.06JademusSregI mean which model asset supports the animation Flail?
21:05.20CardanisActually, hold on, it works on zerglings and marauders, but not Marine even though it has a flail animation
21:05.24CardanisIt's the standard Marine model
21:06.17Cardanishold on, actually
21:06.29Cardanisso I created a new Model asset, and set the model to the marine model for this unit
21:06.44Cardaniscould it be something in the model asset that's messing it up? That I forgot to add?
21:06.59JademusSregAsset != Data, Model data references a model asset.
21:07.19JademusSregAnd actor data is more likely causing the problem.
21:08.47Cardanisokay, in that case it's a standard marine model from the swarm dependencies
21:10.08JademusSregAre you saying it works with a fresh model data entry?
21:11.01Cardanisfound it, when I made the new data entry for the Marine Model, I forgot to fill in required animations
21:11.12JademusSregZoop.
21:13.01A1winhow do I disable unit selection circles :E
21:14.01JademusSregA few ways.
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21:15.34KubiLOL A1WIN ASKED A NOOB QUESTION
21:15.37KubiPOINT AND LAUGH
21:15.49Kubi~purl point and laugh at A1win
21:15.50purlACTION points at and laugh at A1win with snickers and giggles
21:15.58JademusSregMake it not selectable, not targetable, or you can disable it from the actors.
21:16.12A1winmmh it is not selectable and not targetable
21:16.33A1winI set it not selectable with triggers
21:16.42JademusSregIs it selected?
21:16.52A1winyeah
21:16.57JademusSregWhy?
21:17.04A1winand umm it didn't have a selection circle before, now it has for some reason O.o
21:17.08A1winso that I can use its abilities
21:17.16A1winfor weapon switching
21:17.19JademusSregYou're controlling everything with script, I thought.
21:17.31A1winyeah but I need hotkeyhs
21:17.39A1win-h
21:17.59JademusSregKey input capture not satisfactory? =D
21:18.31A1winmff
21:18.51A1winwon't that cause problems with a lot of players?
21:19.04JademusSregNaw.
21:19.18JademusSregYou already detect mouse input, yes?
21:19.19A1winyeah
21:20.28JademusSregNow if you make a trigger per key, of course that will cause more lag. Fortunately, only take one trigger to rule them all.
21:21.27JademusSregMy input script catches input, puts it in a struct, and that struct in turn is accessed by the update thread.
21:22.19A1winshould I use "any" key event or multiple events with specified keys for the trigger?
21:22.25A1winis there a difference
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21:22.42JademusSregAny, yeah.
21:23.04A1winso it fires anyway even when other keys are pressed ?
21:23.11JademusSregYes.
21:23.29JademusSregI'll show you the code so you'll understand better.
21:23.53JademusSregThough you're wlecome to try any way that suits you.
21:25.37CardanisYou'd think the mercenary marine would have a flail animation, since the normal marine does . . .
21:25.48ReaperguyverEvenining
21:27.45A1winJademusSreg, did you see thew pew pew lasers
21:27.54A1winor projectiles
21:28.17JademusSregNot yet.
21:28.32A1winhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kggpdh_lDuc
21:29.01A1winerrm takes a while
21:29.13JademusSregLooing great.
21:29.26JademusSregEnjoying the planetary clusters.
21:29.34JademusSregOh, and a range actor could work as well.
21:29.49JademusSregFor capturable regions.
21:30.09A1winthe regions are a combination of circles around each planet
21:30.12A1winrather than a circle
21:30.25JademusSregIn that case, vector.
21:30.37A1winhmm?
21:31.10JademusSregPew pew.
21:31.36JademusSregI'll find a reference for region stuff.
21:31.55JademusSregBut the same shit that draws regions in the editor can be used to draw regions in game.
21:32.10A1winoh
21:32.56JademusSregAnd I mean regions in a more general sense, not merely regions as per the terrain editor's use of them.
21:32.58gooosei forgot to change the impact effect on several attack actors but it doesnt seem to cause any problems.. should i fix it?
21:33.08goooseor does orphanstuff take care of it
21:33.21JademusSregIf it has the event, it will take care of itself.
21:36.18ReaperguyverI really don't like that the basic unit choice option is to pick a unit already on the map instead of letting you pick form the list of units in the game.
21:36.21goooseit does not have an orphan event but i havent noticed anything unusual either
21:36.40JademusSregReap, how would it know that?
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21:37.25JademusSregGoose, if the actor hosting it doesn't have one (and it probably does), then it would leak actors.
21:37.28Monkalizerquestion: its possible to pass triggers as parameters. Any reason why its not possible to pass funcions and actions?
21:37.54JademusSregMonk, functions can be passed in galaxy script, but not in GUI.
21:38.00Monkalizer(im curious since they are very similar "objects")
21:38.02goooseso fuck it and leave it as it is or fix it?
21:38.15JademusSreggoo, fuck it until there's a problem.
21:38.37Monkalizerah
21:38.59gooosek ty ^^
21:39.07gooosethats what i wanted to hear
21:40.37goooseoh one more thing: so if i tab out of my map and tab in again after some time it freezes for some time (longer the longer i was tabbed out) and shows ALL text tags that were created during that time
21:40.53goooseis there a way to fix that ?
21:41.45gooosealso: it shows the kill rescource text tags even if you re not the killing player as long as its frozen
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21:43.32KubiTeehee I replaced the Siege Tank sounds with the ones from hots trailer
21:43.49JademusSregDunno goo, I don't much use texttags.
21:44.09gooosehehe i create one whenever a unit takes damage
21:44.55gooosewell not every time but about 50%
21:47.50JademusSregA1, https://pastee.org/346jj
21:49.01gooosei want a green-glowy ball as missile any input?
21:49.21Cardaniserm
21:49.27Cardanisthe new nydus attacker missile i believe looks like that
21:49.52JademusSreggoo, open the console, use the browse command, filter .m3 or \Zerg\Effects\
21:50.41reaperguyveris the only way to pull a command state in a trigger is by looking at a specified unit?
21:51.13JademusSregWhat else could have a command state?
21:52.11reaperguyverwell it's more about the fact that I want to see if a unit that isn't there at the start of the game.
21:52.18reaperguyvereerr
21:52.26A1winJademusSreg, yeah I have a similar setup, just not as generic
21:53.13A1winnow I have capture and score mechanics in place
21:53.21A1winthough score is only displayed in the debug frame
21:53.22reaperguyverI need to see if a unit built later in the game has an ability on auto cast or not. I can't because it won't allow me to pick a unit type.
21:53.33A1winI mean the debug dialog I created
21:53.38A1winerr.. test dialog, whatever
21:54.11A1winso it's not actually a game :o though no time limit yet
21:54.14A1winerr
21:54.18A1winit's now actually ;D
21:54.52JademusSregbrb
21:56.20A1winhmm maybe instead of player colored planets in the bases, I could put the team's logo on those planets instead
21:56.26A1winand have the capturable planets have no logo
21:56.45A1winoh right and if they show the capture area all the  time it should be pretty clear
21:57.35reaperguyversounds cool.
22:12.10A1winI think I should make a minimap soon
22:35.38MoonEaterhow do i make event functions
22:35.52MoonEateri want to make a event for when a varable is changed
22:37.34MoonEaterJademusSreg
22:45.26MoonEaterJademusSreg
22:46.30MoonEateranyone?
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22:50.50Eagles_Are you impatient?
22:51.14MoonEatervery
22:51.28MoonEateranyways
22:51.37A1winadded the mouse actors for all 14 players, now if only I could find 14 players for a test ;p
22:51.51MoonEaterA1win
22:52.00Eagles_More people want to help people who aren't impatient. In other words, you'll have higher chances in getting help if you don't sound impatient.
22:52.23MoonEaterNIGH NIGH NIGH *hitler voice*
22:52.26MoonEateranyways
22:52.33A1winmakes absolutely no sense to have an event for when a variable is changed
22:52.41A1winyou could just call that function when you change the variable
22:52.58MoonEaternono i want a event to fire on varable change
22:53.08A1winyes, and it makes no sense
22:53.24MoonEaterit does if i have rounds
22:53.30MoonEaterie when round 2 starts....fight
22:53.36Eagles_Just run the freaking trigger when you change the variable
22:53.48A1winset variable = something; run trigger whatever
22:54.00MoonEaterproblem is that the trigger can be changed from multiple areas
22:54.13MoonEateri figure it would be simpler to do an event
22:54.37A1winyou mean the variable can be changed?
22:54.42A1winmake a function to change the variable
22:54.58A1winand in each place where you change the variable, use that function instead of set variable
22:55.10A1winand in that function, have set variable = parameter; run trigger whatever
22:55.58MoonEaterya thats abit harder
22:56.10MoonEatermore lines
22:56.11MoonEaterbut w/e
22:56.32Eagles_It's what's possible. There's no event "On Variable Change"
22:56.50A1winit's the same number of lines
22:56.58A1winyou just need to change your stuff a bit
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22:57.14A1winoh it's 1 more line, but anyway
22:57.44MoonEaterwell 1 more multiplied by the places were the variable is changed
22:57.49MoonEaterso like 4-20
22:58.01MoonEaterdepending on how far i need to go with the idea
22:58.03reaperguyverif i make an empty ability it should still show up as a button in the command card if I attatch it to a button right?
22:58.18Eagles_Yeah, it's better with an action definition: Change Variable X to Y and Run Trigger Z, that will keep it to 1 line.
22:58.19A1winMoonEater, no, you only need 1 line for changing it
22:58.27A1winyou just need a custom change function
22:58.39A1winthat replaces the currently used change function
22:58.51MoonEaterthats true
22:59.09A1winhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutator_method
23:02.17Eagles_So it's possible to replace a native action defintion?
23:02.38A1winno
23:02.49A1winyou just replace the use of it :P
23:03.31A1wini.e. delete old, add new
23:03.57Eagles_Huh, isn't that the same as replacing, or am I misunderstanding?
23:04.15Eagles_Delete old action definition, add new action definition by same name?
23:04.16A1winx_X
23:04.23A1winI'm talking about the trigger editor
23:04.31A1windelete old *use* of the action, add new
23:04.44A1winyou can't modify native functions in any way
23:04.55Eagles_ok
23:05.31A1winbecause natives are the only functions you can actually use
23:05.49A1winif you'd remove all natives, you wouldn't be able to do anything at all
23:06.04A1wineverything custom made is just reusing natives in some way
23:08.06Eagles_It's too bad really- some of the natives could be improved
23:08.27A1winthe point of natives is that they are hardcoded into the game
23:08.34A1winso you'd have to modify the game to change them
23:09.13A1winblizzard has improved some of them based on feedback by us
23:18.55reaperguyvercrap I don't think I can get this trigger to do what I want it to do = /
23:20.37reaperguyverI need it to check the command state of an ability on a unit that can be built and I can't get it to pick from the list of units in the game.
23:29.33Fateis someone bored and want to play my map?
23:33.21reaperguyverwhat kind of map?
23:42.04Fateits open on NA called starhammer 40k
23:42.10Fate2 slots left
23:42.59Fate1
23:56.44JademusSregTesting?
23:58.44A1windo you think 4v4 would be enough for my map
23:59.02A1wincould have more projectiles per player than with more players, and 3v3 feels too few
23:59.04JademusSregSounds good.
23:59.15A1winerr
23:59.17A1winwith less players

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