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00:04.09Fenixhey
00:04.39Fenixwhat are the "Object Group" for in the map menu?
00:05.02FenixI'm trying to find a way to show/hide specefic doodads, is there a way?
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00:12.37EaglesDoodads have actors, right? You can send messages to actors to hide/become invisible
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00:27.59Ahlisixen, good luck in your show in half an hour
00:28.13A1winyay now I have more accurate projectile-to-ship collisions :o I check every projectile within a large radius around each ship and iterate 4 times between the projectiles current position and the position the projectile will be in 0.0625 seconds
00:28.52A1winwell, large being larger than the radius of a projectile
00:29.19A1winI guess I can do even more iterations since there will only be a handful of ships and not that many projectiles near them at any time
00:29.54A1winso even projectiles that move very fast will hit ships instead of just jumping through them
00:30.31Sixenthx ahli =)
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00:34.35KuekenA1win: if the ships move very fast, it will malfunction, won't it?
00:35.00Kuekenor do you compare the positions to the position the ship will be in too
00:35.05A1winyeah but ships are bigger than projectiles and shouldn't be moving that fast
00:35.18Kuekenokay
00:35.25A1winI should probably make ships bigger than they are in those videos
00:35.32A1winvery hard to hit them otherwise :P
00:35.49A1winwel hmm
00:35.51A1win+l
00:35.56A1winI guess I could iterate those too
00:38.24FenixHey, I'm looking for a minigame idea... I have a ship with the moving background so it looks like moving... but I don't know what would be the minigame, what the players would have to do to win haha
00:38.34Fenixanyone got some inspiration, ideas
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00:45.29A1wingah would be nice if my models were actually of proper size and at proper height when testing collisions >_>
00:46.51A1winah the sphere model
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00:57.53Reaperguyver....
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01:03.16ReaperguyverSo quiet tonight...
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01:17.17Taintedwispthats cause I am hard at work Reaperguyver :)
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01:17.23TaintedwispI am making the bosses AWESOME
01:17.35ReaperguyverLol alright kick ass then.
01:17.38A1winmore silence equals more work being done
01:18.02Taintedwispi for 2 more bosses and no ideas haha
01:18.15A1winthis is gonna be sooooo awesomeeee xO
01:18.35Taintedwispwhat is A1win?
01:18.46A1winthis 2d gravity thingy
01:18.54Taintedwispah cool
01:19.01A1windid you see the videos?
01:19.17Taintedwispi saw one of them where a ball was going around circles
01:19.25A1winI have a new one in a moment
01:19.36A1winah that was just a test with 1 planet :P
01:20.11Taintedwispyou should write up a tutorial when you have it all figured out :) so someone can make their project better with it
01:20.33A1winerrm I don't think this can be applied to any other project ;p
01:20.47A1winI mean
01:20.51Taintedwisp:/
01:20.53A1winit basically is a project
01:21.02A1winit's not something to put into some existing project
01:21.41A1wineverything in it is scripted, so it can't be just "plugged in"
01:22.25A1winI'm gonna need some custom models for this :I
01:22.37A1winthough planets should be easy to model I reckon ;p
01:23.18Taintedwispthere are already built in planet models
01:23.23TaintedwispFrom the WoL campaign
01:23.59A1winhmm
01:26.12A1winhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI9wdc2JZ-M
01:27.31ToukO_O
01:31.48Toukrawr O_O
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01:32.43Toukwwhy there no great maps in sc2
01:41.49toboescthat looks so cool A1 :D
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01:43.23A1winI just hope I can put enough players into it with lots of projectiles
01:43.45A1winand that laggy controls won't spoil it too much
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01:53.34FenixHey, I added yamato gun to an immortal and it says can't turn toward target...
01:54.43MoonEaterYa make ability transient
01:54.48MoonEaterSee if that helps
01:54.58MoonEaterThere r forum post on it
01:55.16Fenixtransient?
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02:07.05KuekenFenix: Set the Arc of the ability to 360
02:08.05CardanisSo, I've replicated the firebat attack on a flying unit
02:08.11CardanisActor animation and everything
02:08.12A1winimmortals can't turn because they use turrent to aim their weapons, and battlecruisers turn to use yamato... so yeah changing the arc will allow it to be cast to any direction
02:09.05CardanisExcept, no matter what, the firebat flame always goes horizontal, even when shooting at ground units. So it shoots over the units. Is there a way to force the firebat attack animation to point directly at the target?
02:15.04FenixKueken, and what if i want the immortal's turret to turn toward where it is shooting?
02:15.18Kuekenthen you are out of luck
02:16.07Kuekenyou can use some crappy workarounds, but the only method of manipulating a turret's rotation is by binding it to a weaopn and make this weapon shoot a unit
02:16.18Kuekenat least as far as I know
02:17.14Kuekenso in your case, you might be able to convert the yamato cannon into a weapon and make the ability issue the immortal an attack order on the target while enabling the yamato weapon...
02:17.18Kuekenyou get the idea
02:18.05Kuekenwhat you also could do is check the "Turnable" flag for the immortal, but that will change the way it walks
02:18.15Kuekenit will turn the lower part as well
02:18.27Kuekenif you don't have a problem with that, fine
02:18.33Fenixumk..
02:19.26KuekenCardanis: Try adding a SOpForwardTarget
02:20.07Fenixand if i dont want it to auto-attack cause a weapon is auto attack...
02:20.36Kuekenyou never want the immortal to autoattack?
02:21.01Fenixyeah, i want it to shoot only on player's command
02:21.05Kuekenwell, the point was to enable the yamato weapon just for one shot anyway
02:23.41Kuekento disable auto-acquiring targets, set the Default Acquire Level of the unit to None
02:24.18Kuekenmight also want to set the Response to None, so it doesn't run away when taking damage
02:27.42Fenixwell, ty for the help. For now I'll just keep the Turnable flag checked until I make a new ability similar to the yamato cannon without the charging effect cause it looks bad on an immortal haha.
02:27.48Taintedwisphey without going through every single unit in the map, how would i Swap a units model to a new model when the unit has a buff?
02:27.55Taintedwispis there an easy way to do it through triggers?
02:27.56Fenixand tonigh i dont want to mess up in that stuff
02:28.25Fenixi believe you can do change the model from ingame
02:28.39KuekenTaintedwisp: you want to swap to a buff-specific model?
02:29.02Taintedwispi just wanna swap the unit with the behavior that I am giving through triggers, model
02:29.59Kuekenwell, you can send a ModelSwap message through triggers just like you kan do in data
02:30.00Fenixrandom ideas: attach a unit model?
02:30.10Kueken*can
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02:34.21Ownagewhere can I find documentation about #PARAM
02:39.44Kubikkk
02:39.48Kubi~seen JademusSreg
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02:39.54KubiThat fuckity fuck fuck
02:39.59KubiThat ass.
02:44.03Stewoxsleeping
02:44.32Stewoxi got a nighter here
02:44.43Stewoxand the last one
02:45.06Stewoxfinally got enough sleep so i can pull it through the day to force back to nighttime sleep
02:47.19CardanisWhat are the possible reasons for my actor events appearing in red?
02:50.14Kuekennothing to worry about, that just means something like they are not the default ones, but you haven't changed them in the current session of event editing
02:50.29Kuekenno idea why they made em red
02:52.05CardanisAlright, thanks
02:52.13CardanisIt works either way, so I was confused lol
02:59.16Stewoxcardanis
03:00.26CardanisStewox: ya?
03:00.48Stewoxpatch 2.0.4 i think it was, events in green are new, events in red are overriden
03:01.36Taintedwispthere I just updated my map with all new bosses :)
03:01.40Stewoxi think XML commit made them red, but those were new when I commited them, but maybe in relation to other dependency not sure really
03:01.44Taintedwispall 8 bosses now have a special ability
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03:02.45CardanisAlright, that's good to know, thanks!
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03:07.29MoonEater??
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03:26.42KuekenRepo!
03:32.22TaintedwispQuit hating kueken
03:32.35Kuekennevah!
03:42.01Cardanis. . . I'm confused.  I've made a LOT of weapons and never run into this problem.  I've got a weapon with a damage effect, and I've made a normal attack actor triggered by the damage effect. It works in game, but in the editor it isn't showed as linked at all
03:42.13CardanisThe flow chart thing doesn't show them connected, and neither does the bottom left window
03:44.29TaintedwispKueken you gunna play my map ?
03:44.53KuekenI haven't played any map in ages, so probably not
03:44.57Taintedwisp:(
03:45.03Taintedwispgo play it anyways before I slap you
03:53.38ReaperguyverI tried it but I was all alone :(
03:55.00MoonEaterSkapping is fun with u
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03:59.22Cardanisis there any easy way to tell how many new things you've made in the data editor?
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04:14.38CardanisIs there any way to modify a unit name through data?
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04:46.41TaintedwispI dont think so cardanis
04:46.47Taintedwispi think it can only be set in triggers
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04:53.41Ownagewhere can I find documentation about #PARAM or do you know how to use it to return a string of a text
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04:56.58Ownageor alternatively know a way to get the string version of name of unit type
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05:03.47ReaperguyverO.o
05:03.51Reaperguyverstill here yay!
05:04.09Ownagenevermind I used catalog to circumvent it
05:14.05StewoxLOOOOOOOOL !
05:14.16StewoxI just noticed purple and violet are different colors
05:14.55Stewoxand that's not the end, my language has the same name for both colors :facepalm:
05:16.02Ownage??
05:17.06Stewoxwonder what's sissy blue called
05:17.55Cardaniswell that's interesting
05:18.15CardanisIf you add a weapon with a turret to a unit in the weapons tab, you don't need to add the turret in the turret field
05:18.29Cardanisit'll just inherently add the turret i guess?
05:18.42Cardanisif you add the weapon with a behavior, and it doesn't have the turret in the turret field already
05:18.45Cardanisit doesn't use the turret
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05:45.01Ownagethank you Stewox
05:45.46Reaperguyver...
05:45.48Reaperguyver:(
05:49.07G0Awonder how many times will they try these kind of bills before one passes and wonder how much time will it take that everybody will encrypt everything.
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05:57.49Taintedwispi hate the government they dont own the internet, they did not create it -_-
05:57.51Taintedwisp\lol
05:58.08Taintedwispthe people created over generations of knowledge built up by civilians
05:58.17TaintedwispAlso go play Evo-Frenzy
05:58.35ReaperguyverGovernments are just as corrupted as the buisnesses that support them and the people in them. Thinking they know better then the people who supposedly elected them.
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06:04.12G0AReaperguyver but we must blame only few person and conspiracies from it
06:04.22G0Amake*
06:04.43ReaperguyverTrue true
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06:44.30Stewoxmust watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kth_i2drf_U&feature=em-uploademail
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07:00.31Eaglesis he fucking matt damon though?
07:16.03Ownagecan I check if a data table has a identifier?
07:17.10Ownageoh data table value exists nv
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08:58.27________________ne1 here still have SC I?
09:03.03________________~sad
09:03.04purlACTION looks at ________________ 'I wonder why ________________ looks so sad'
09:08.07TaintedwispYOU TURN INTO A COOKIE!!!!!
09:08.15Taintedwisp~Happy
09:08.15purlrumour has it, happy is stop smiling at me,i will force you to bear my hell spawn!!
09:08.24Taintedwisp~sad
09:08.24purlACTION looks at taintedwisp 'I wonder why taintedwisp looks so sad'
09:08.31Taintedwisp~pissed
09:08.32purlLook you guys, I'm getting pretty damn pissed. I don't need to put up with this bot abuse!!!, or what happens after vast quantities of alcohol
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09:32.11Zoldentowd?
09:32.17Zoldentwod
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12:48.17KubiNOOOoOOOOO
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12:57.25KubiI used to stacks fuck like you 5 feet high.
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14:17.29A1winwould it be possible to attach an actor to a unit and control its rotation independently of the unit's rotation?
14:29.27Stewox<PROTECTED>
14:29.29Stewoxhmm
14:29.43Stewoxmaybe if you remove and add the actor very quickly ?
14:29.55Stewoxwith different facing as default
14:31.30A1winsounds like it'd look like crap :P
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14:46.07Dustin|WorkA1win, Yes a turret :P
14:51.38A1winno idea how I'd control that with triggers or how to even set it up
14:52.36Dustin|WorkI don't think you could
14:52.46Dustin|WorkYou should be able to attach a unit to another unit cant you
14:52.57Dustin|WorkUsing that you should be able to at least control the facing rotation
14:53.00Dustin|Workvia triggers
14:53.12A1winI don't think that's possible without just moving the unit along with the other one
14:53.21Dustin|WorkLike with the Zealot  riding the Ultralisk
14:53.31Dustin|WorkThight might have just been a model addition though
15:05.07KubiYour mom is a model addition
15:06.32A1winwhat about "shooting" dummy effects with the turret?
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15:14.10KubiYour mom is a hsooting a dummy turret. LOLOL
15:14.14KubiOkay I'll show myself out..
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15:22.04G0AStewox Great, Alex Jones and its cult.D
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15:23.43Stewoxsee you in a fema camp eating cat food :)
15:24.22Stewox... oh wait, i won't be there
15:24.44G0Aoh wait, I dont live in USA
15:25.04Stewoxyou're not even listening what the guest has to say ha
15:25.18Stewoxi don't either, doesn't matter
15:25.49StewoxUSA is the last of 2 conturies, the second one is switzerland, so, you think you're safe ?
15:26.28Kueken'ello
15:26.43Stewox<PROTECTED>
15:30.00G0AStewox I do actually listen what is he saying
15:30.03G0Ahe is dumb
15:30.07G0Ashe*
15:30.14Stewoxshe ?
15:30.27G0AI am watching the vid the chick
15:30.33G0Awith the chick*
15:30.53Stewoxmaybe your too young to understand or you're sleeping
15:31.09Stewoxwell that confirmed one part
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15:31.42ToukTOUK is here
15:31.44G0Ayeah do personal attacks on my intelligence or experience that will surely work
15:31.45Toukall is now saved
15:31.52Toukok
15:31.55StewoxG0A, you're naive
15:31.57Toukgoa is sexy beast
15:32.00Toukattack started
15:32.01Touk:O
15:32.04G0Aand you continure
15:32.07G0A-r
15:32.41Stewoxwhen you said chick it definitely said volumes what you're watching youtube for
15:33.24Stewoxwell you know that you're following the herd of sheep with the way you think
15:33.25ToukO_O
15:33.34Toukdare i ask whats going on
15:34.19G0ATouk the usual everything is a conspiracy stuff
15:34.31Touki see
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15:35.05StewoxThat's how sheeples talk between each other "you know that's the conspiracy theory stuff, those nuts oh my"
15:35.27RooKzWhy are site ops and attack while moving all messed up now?
15:35.35Stewoxso where it did start, were you influenced by a stupid friend
15:35.40RooKzwe might need a bug fix from blizz
15:36.25G0AStewox no, actually I have real life friends who think 9/11 was hoax.
15:36.44G0AI just think logically
15:37.26G0Asimple minded people like you will always point into one direction and wont see complex social workings...
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15:37.45G0Athats why its so easy to make a nation to go into a war...
15:38.35RooKzis zelda here?
15:38.50Stewoxmost people who think conspiracy theorists as nuts aren't that stupid, they just don't have all facts straight and they aren't connecting all the evidence
15:39.23Stewoxwe better take this into private ...
15:41.05KuekenRooKz: yeah, I was kind of surprised as well when discovering that simply adding a site operation messed up the status bar :/
15:41.29Toukcan we please keep the conversation to none whatever the fuck goa and stewox talking about
15:41.56Kuekensorry, I thought I could talk about mapping here
15:41.57Kuekenmy bad
15:42.14RooKzlolz
15:42.21RooKzthey went to private buddy
15:43.00RooKzagain, I think blizz needs a bug fix
15:43.03RooKzit shouldnt do that
15:43.32Kuekenagreed
15:43.50RooKzanyone want to go report that?
15:43.52Kuekenand making the actual unit the invisible turret model is just too messy
15:44.01RooKzreference: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/51530-attacking-while-moving-phoenix-style/#p6
15:44.24Kubi~seen JademusSreg
15:44.31purljademussreg <~jademus.s@c-76-123-235-103.hsd1.tn.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 1d 16h 26m 11s ago, saying: 'bbl'.
15:44.38Kuekenwell, no point in me reporting it in eu forums
15:44.43Kuekenand the us forums hate me
15:45.00Kuekenwhenever I try to log in there, my bnet account is locked
15:45.10Kuekenand I have to reset my password
15:45.20RooKzow, that sucks
15:45.52RooKznow we won...now ew won (check your mirrors)
15:47.14KubiHoly shit, I unexpectedly made a pounce ability while modifying the Infested Terran abilty
15:47.15Kubilol
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15:47.39RooKzgood job
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15:47.55A1winhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb6gBJHbcro
15:48.00RooKzI wish that happened to me more often
15:48.18KubiI dont even know how I did it
15:48.26Kubibut it pounces the caster and kills him in impact
15:49.28RooKzlol
15:49.33RooKznice A1win
15:49.44RooKznow make shooting give you a slight push
15:49.47RooKzthat would be cool
15:49.53RooKzdirect yourself a bit better
15:50.09Touk~seen cookie
15:50.11purlcookie <~Adium@218.94.13.134> was last seen on IRC in channel #, 577d 7h 31m 26s ago, saying: '/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/django/template/loader.py in find_template, line 138'.
15:50.16Touk:O
15:50.18ToukI knew it
15:50.18A1winRooKz, it already does
15:50.23Touksomeone was named cookie
15:50.25RooKzI canty tell
15:50.27RooKzcant*
15:51.17KuekenKubi: if you set the Ammo Unit to None for a launch missile effect, it will launch the caster.
15:51.25KubiCoolness!
15:51.28KubiI never knew that
15:51.29Kuekennow if you set the Death Type to None, it won't kill him
15:51.46KubiYeah I saw that, I somehow broke the ammo unit
15:52.24RooKzis it a good idea to cheat and use that as a leap ability?
15:54.40KubiI am making an ability like Infested Terran but making it Swarm Host like for an hero
15:54.45Kubiyea
15:54.50Kubiits perfect
15:55.03KubiI made a leap ability but it just made the caster invisible and used his model as a projectile
15:55.16Kubiit was hacky but this method is a lot better and easier
15:56.28KuekenRooKz: its not a cheat, its an intended mechanic
15:56.58Kubiyeah it was definitely intended for sure. Kueken how long has that been around?
15:57.01RooKzso blizzard intended to give us a free, easy leap ability
15:57.11Kuekenit was buggy before, the caster became uncontrollable after the impact, but Blizzard specifically mentioned fixing that in the changelog
15:57.28Kuekenalso they use it themselves for Kerrigan's leap
15:57.40RooKzit didnt feel the same
15:57.48KuekenKubi: launching the caster since day 1
15:57.56Kuekenbut it is only useable since Patch 1.5
15:58.06Kuekenbecause of the uncontrollable issue
15:58.09KubiI see.
15:58.12KubiMore I know
15:58.25Kubihttp://sighroll.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/themoreyouknow.jpg
15:58.42RooKzand now I can use that and add impact effects
15:58.47RooKzWOOT!
15:59.25RooKzits like learning how to make a levelable hero that can learn abilities all over again
15:59.31RooKzI learned something cool
15:59.44KubiYeah but once you do that once
15:59.46Kubiits easy after that
15:59.50Kuekenusing a parabolic mover for a jump is so much smoother than other methods
16:00.12KuekenI used it before the patch by hiding caster, launching missile, then teleporting caster to impact
16:00.20Kuekennow I don't have to do that anymore :D
16:00.23KubiYeah
16:00.27Kubithats what I have
16:00.39KubiIt works but its more complicated than it should be and the health bar doesnt follow
16:01.03KubiI am making a Split A and B Swarm Host as heroes, called Baxter and Buster they're almost identical but different effects on their abilities
16:01.19KuekenI used teleport effects in a fast interval to teleport the caster to the missile constantly for the health bar and camera focus
16:01.32RooKzhas anyone tried "minecraftz" on US? I'd like to know what it's like.
16:01.40KubiExample, the slivan puke one is purple and the other is green, the green one reduces attack speed/movement speed, the purple one applies %+ physical and spell damage
16:01.44RooKzI saw some guy on forums revive a dead thread posting about it
16:01.55Kubione spawn slivan creepers, and the other regular swarm locusts
16:02.05KubiIt's kinda like a Mario and Luigi duo
16:02.58RooKzthe perfect combo
16:03.05RooKzkind of like dark templar and high templar
16:03.12KubiSo in essence they can work together and not have their abilities conflict
16:03.16Kubiactually make it better
16:03.31KubiI just need to think of an ultimate and a third ability
16:03.40Kubithats swarm host like but can be different
16:03.48KubiI was thinking one, can do a magazine call for flying locusts
16:03.54Kubibut I have not clue about another
16:04.32Kuekenwell, ultimate would obviously be some kind of fusion
16:04.46RooKzthat wasnt obvious to me :P
16:05.30Kuekenneeds moar MEGAZORD
16:05.46Kueken...or however that power rangers thingy was called :D
16:06.27KubiWell its a frenzy map
16:06.31Kubione player doesnt control 2
16:06.45Kubicant fusion them
16:06.50Kubibecause balance
16:06.55Kueken:D
16:06.59Kuekenyou can work it out
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16:08.50Kubitrying to get this converted infested terran to more swarm host like
16:08.56Kubibut the mover isnt arcing
16:09.02Kubiits straight shooting
16:10.14KubiInfested Terran Lay Egg Weapon or
16:10.53KubiInfested Terran Weapon
16:11.57KubiMovers scare me
16:12.06KubiI made one cool mover but never again
16:12.57Kubihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXtbvgl1KYk
16:12.58Kubi:P
16:13.30KubiAh ok, infested Terran weapon is what I wanted
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16:14.04Kuekenyeah, don't question their naming conventions -.-
16:14.24RooKzthat sounds like an infested terran...weapon...guass rifle...
16:15.18Kubiyea
16:15.21KubiNot egg lay
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16:16.01RooKzmaybe swarm hosts can...host...something
16:16.15RooKzmaybe that just means they are THE host of the swarm
16:16.26RooKzlike the locusts attach to a host
16:16.34RooKzidk wtf im talking about
16:16.36RooKzignore me
16:17.41RooKzI was going to say, for a final ability, make them casting over 5-10 seconds or something, and over time, they output an effect and spawn locusts
16:17.55A1winjump force control! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmlMzfGVfc8
16:18.49KubiIt applies a issue order to morph into infested terran
16:18.54KubiI understand now
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16:19.10RooKz_f**k
16:19.16RooKz_dc
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16:19.41RooKz_I can never stay on irc more than a couple minutes... sigh...
16:19.58kubi_yeah it drops me too
16:20.05A1winwhy do you use webchat
16:20.09kubi_lazy
16:21.24RooKz_its not webchat, I dc because internet explorer keeps giving me errors on the page, so it refreshes
16:21.37A1winwhy do you use internet explorer x_______x
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16:21.50RooKz_I tried other programs, same thing
16:21.58RooKz_I think its my computer
16:22.04RooKz_its f**ked up
16:22.11A1winsounds like a webchat problem
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16:22.27RooKzits not on JUSt webchat
16:22.34RooKzits on any webpage
16:22.36RooKzany time
16:22.38A1winso?
16:22.48A1winuse an IRC client that is not browser based
16:23.00kubi_Why don't you
16:23.01kubi_MAKE ME
16:23.03kubi_WUT
16:23.06kubi_DO U EVEN LIFT BRO
16:23.11A1winI'm not talking to you ;<
16:23.16kubi_SCIENCE BRO
16:23.17kubi_DO U DO IT
16:23.46RooKzMAKE ME DO DAT SCIENCE STUFF
16:24.09RooKzIM GORDON FREEMAN
16:24.19RooKzI BIN TROO DAT
16:24.32RooKzgetting wierd
16:24.34RooKzIm done
16:24.41RooKzweird*
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16:29.04RooKzdark archons are red, archons are blue
16:29.18RooKzboth of them kill you
16:29.30kubi_MMm I got the ability to work but some morphin' issues
16:29.38kubi_I hate morph.
16:29.44kubi_Limitations, complications
16:29.48kubi_aannoyingg
16:30.12kubi_I had to encounter the 30 ability limit to Morph Ability.. Which sucked
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16:36.47kubi_mmm Is it an actor message?
16:37.56kubi_ah it is
16:40.00RooKzI hope, I swim, I croak, I'm a frog
16:40.04RooKzhop*
16:41.52RooKzWhat do I have in my pocket?
16:46.24RooKzNormally you'd say I hit 2 birds with 1 stone, but in this case, I killed 20 marines with 1 psi storm.
16:47.24kubi_I use to stack fucks like you 5 feet high.
16:50.20RooKzNot very nice
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17:13.12kubi_How do I set a timer in actors?
17:15.34KuekenTimerSet message ;)
17:15.57kubi_yeah nvm im taking a different approach
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17:26.39kubi_Oh daym
17:26.40kubi_Price of gold just shot down
17:34.49Dustin|WorkSaw that
17:34.52Dustin|WorkI blame Bitcoin
17:35.14kubi_lol my dad is like invest your 20k$ in gold
17:35.17kubi_I saw like naw
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17:35.39kubi_You're better off putting it into retirement and max your IRA before you invest
17:36.06A1winwhat kind of actor/effect combo should I use to make a unit shoot a burst of flames towards the effect target point
17:36.54kubi_like a cone or straight line
17:37.27A1winstraight line, just the visual effect though
17:37.46Kuekenhellion-like?
17:37.47kubi_I take a peak at Hellion
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17:37.54kubi_Just remove the damage
17:38.07kubi_and change actor
17:38.12Dustin|WorkUse the hellion flame or the hellbat flame depending on visual preference
17:38.13Kuekenreally depends on your desired visuals, though
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17:39.35Kueken1which of my messages made it through?
17:39.37Kueken1;)
17:40.04A1win< Kueken> really depends on your desired visuals, though
17:40.22Kueken1(19:38:31) Kueken: the flaming betty attack fx could fit nicely as well
17:40.45Kueken1its a nice long stream of flames
17:46.11kubi_Teehee added a create persistant before the egg creation and it streams eggs now
17:47.29Kueken:)
17:49.38kubi_rig the animations right then i can make it hero levelable
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17:56.10tordy_wassup dudes
17:56.25kubi_workin on my map
17:56.52A1winI don't understand what all these different effects for the hellion attack do >_> there's a lot of them
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18:03.09tordy_does blizz still come here?
18:03.53Kuekenlast one was seen about 2 months ago
18:04.19KuekenA1win: yeah, no idea what Blizzard does with their attacks
18:04.27Kuekenthey all seem so nedlessly complicated
18:04.34kubi_You think thats crazy
18:04.41kubi_take a look at silvan acid puke attack
18:05.00Kuekenold void ray attack, or colossus
18:05.46kubi_Yeah but Slivan is hots
18:05.50kubi_you think they had it by now
18:06.01kubi_I remade the ability based of psi and it does the same thing
18:06.05kubi_except of one detail
18:06.37kubi_which I needed to do because otherwise I would have to deal with units
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18:06.54kubi_oh shit
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18:07.33kubi_Oh god its jade
18:07.34kubi_finally
18:07.40tordy_blizz stopped coming? :(
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18:08.07kubi_They're busy they said
18:08.10kubi_recently in a forum post
18:08.22Zoldenwhat are they busy with?
18:08.58kubi_Probably legacy of the void
18:09.17kubi_All Stars Dota?
18:09.29Zoldenprobably the latter
18:09.43kubi_When they say All Stars be out?
18:09.46kubi_after LotV
18:09.47kubi_?
18:10.11Zoldeni think there will be 4th part with 4th race
18:10.27Zoldenit will be apocaliptic and hopeless
18:11.11kubi_well you can make a primal race
18:11.14kubi_the only thing is lack of buildings
18:11.16Kuekenhey zolden, how is the model coming along? ;)
18:11.33ZoldenKueken: makeing engine fires
18:11.44Zoldencan't decide, particles or ribbon
18:12.05Kuekenribbon for engine fire?
18:12.15Kuekenthats usually done with particles, right?
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18:12.45kubi_How about both?
18:12.56kubi_Ribbon for fire trail, and particles for effect
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18:13.09Zoldenmaybe
18:13.14kubi_Well
18:13.23kubi_The trail is usually used for protoss or high speed
18:13.57Zoldenhttp://i.snag.gy/lhCFE.jpg this is particles
18:14.13kubi_Trail
18:14.17kubi_Add a trail :P
18:14.25kubi_err ribbon
18:14.28Zoldentrying to find a texture for it
18:14.39Zoldensomething what makes missile trails
18:15.27KuekenI assume you did look at some... you know... missiles? :D
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18:17.19Zoldenit's one of the brightest ideas i ever recieved in this chat
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18:21.14KuekenI am so glad I could be of service
18:21.59Dustin|WorkLol
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18:22.46Kuekenwe should make this into a drinking game
18:23.01Kuekenwhenever Repo gets kicked, everyone has to take a shot
18:24.15tordy_i miss blizz (and otixa)
18:24.25tordy_repo is god
18:24.34Zoldenotixa is working on his dissertation
18:25.01tordy_well i guess i miss taintedwisp too maybe
18:25.08Kuekenoh my god
18:25.13Kuekendont tell him that
18:25.20Taintedwisplawl
18:25.22tordy_woops typo
18:25.28Taintedwisplol
18:26.07Taintedwispi have just been working on my project heavily retardy....
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18:28.21A1wingah, I was trying to make thruster flames for my ship but the flames don't preserve the ship's velocity, so if I shoot the thrusters to the direction where the ship is going, the flames stil appear to the other direction be cause the ship moves through them too fast D:
18:30.51Taintedwisp:(
18:30.56Kuekenuh, uh, uh, repo left
18:31.03Kuekeneveryone DRINK!
18:31.22A1winah, if I use some other model though it seems to work better...
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18:31.56Kuekenyeah some models with particles are stationary, while others move with their source
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18:34.07kubi_I woulder if I should make the swarm host shoot a multiple locusts egg at one time or have it a charged based ability
18:35.52Stewoxbbl
18:36.20kubi_what u guys think
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18:37.31ZoldenA1win: i can make you a flame which would preserve velosity
18:38.05A1winthat'd be nice
18:40.18Zoldendo you plan to attach it to the model?
18:40.55A1winnah just using it as a beam I guess
18:41.38A1winmm yeah I can't attach since it needs to turn to any direction without limits
18:41.59A1winso it should be a beam like the hellion beam (but shorter)
18:42.25Kuekenyou can turn attachments just as well
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18:42.39Taintedwispboats and hoes boats and hoes gotta have me my boats and hoes
18:42.46Zoldenmaybe you need just a ribbon with length-based duration? try to use mothership missile.m3
18:43.20A1winno idea what ribbons are
18:43.23Zoldenparticles vs untextured ribbon http://i.snag.gy/8DzcE.jpg
18:43.43Taintedwispyou know what boats and hoes are though dont ya a1win
18:43.48Taintedwisptrolol
18:44.22ZoldenA1win: if you use mothership missile as a model add (so it exists with your ship and attached to it), then it will create a tail you want, try it
18:45.06A1winbut can I turn it towards any direction independently of the ship's facing?
18:45.28Kuekenso you want a sort of muzzle flash?
18:45.51A1winthe beam needs to point to the direction the thrusters are pointing at, which is not necessarily the direction the ship is moving at
18:46.55A1winthe hellion beam works otherwise fine except it creates particles that don't preserve velocity
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18:48.08A1winand it needs to be able to turn on/off instead of just a burst
18:48.14Zoldenoh, i see, then mothership missile won't work
18:48.47Zoldenok, i'l create waht will work for your situation
18:50.55twodiehttp://youtu.be/xavZ6lipgrI
18:51.00ZoldenA1win: try to use battlecruisermissile.m3
18:51.08A1winhow?
18:51.32A1winI mean does it work as a beam
18:51.45Zoldenhow do you use beam?
18:52.06A1winnow I'm using some script that creates a beam actor between two units
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18:52.42Zoldensi, second unit is like a dummy impact point?
18:52.47A1winyeah
18:53.09A1winI don't know how else I can make the beam turn around as I move mouse around the ship
18:53.11Zoldenyou could use site actor instead of second unit
18:53.22G0AA1win is StarDrive really good? I am 4x fun.D
18:53.37A1winStarDrive?
18:54.21A1winZolden, I don't know how, I didn't make that beam script
18:54.30Zoldenalright
18:54.48Zoldenlet's see if the beam i'll make you will do the job
18:57.15G0AA1win ohh I mean twodie :D
18:57.20G0Ahe linked it
18:57.23twodie:D
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18:58.17twodieits said in the video that its good but technical problems may kill the game if in release that will happen after month time not fixed after current beta stage
19:01.58ZoldenA1win: wait, i just thought, that if you want the flame move where you thrusters look, why don't you just attach a particle emitter to the ship model? It will throw the flame at ship's back direction adn will totally presearve the valocity
19:02.31A1winbecause it's not supposed to do it at the back of the ship but to the direction where the player points the mouse
19:03.10A1winmedivac beam works well for this, but it doesn't look like a flame :P
19:04.31G0ABoston marathon fucked...
19:04.42A1winZolden, I'll show you a video of what I mean
19:05.31Zoldenok
19:06.19KuekenA1win: So you use standard models with a beam actor to modify the angle?
19:06.38G0Ahttp://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/04/15/1868281/explosions-at-the-boston-marathon/?mobile=nc
19:06.39A1winstandard models?
19:06.45Kuekennon-beams
19:06.54A1winthey are beams
19:06.55G0A*that happened about 10 minutes ago
19:07.04A1winit gives an error if I try to use any other than a beam model
19:07.07A1winhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVne9F4KhlE
19:07.11A1winZolden, ^
19:08.01A1winthat's with medivac heal beam
19:09.00Kuekenyeah, you can definitely make that work with non-beams
19:09.18Kuekenyou work with a dummy unit and attach the beam actor to that, right?
19:09.28A1winyeah
19:09.34A1winthe other end
19:10.07Kuekenanyway, I am not sure, which model would match your specifications
19:10.45A1winwell it'd definitely be better without using beams, but I don't know how to make it work
19:11.27Kuekendo you know how to use global references in actors?
19:11.35A1winnope
19:11.49Kuekenalright
19:12.24Kuekenmy plan would be using a Forward vector site operation
19:12.49Kuekenwhich can make an actor turn towards another actor
19:12.58A1winah
19:13.24A1wincould that be used to make the ship appear to face some other direction than where it's moving?
19:13.49Kuekenthat should be possible
19:14.53Kuekenif you have an actor following your mouse, you can make the ship always follow the mouse and attach the model accordingly
19:15.26A1winI'm not sure if I want the ship to follow the mouse though, and I'm not really even sure if it's a ship or something else yet :P
19:15.59A1winI probably need its bottom to turn to face the planet it's about to collide with
19:16.06Kuekenyou don't have to make the ship follow the mouse, you can alos only affect the attachment
19:16.15A1winmm
19:16.16Kueken*also
19:16.27A1winmind sharing the details? ;p
19:16.41Kuekenokay
19:17.19Kuekenthe Forward vector site operation is pretty straight forward, you select a target actor and other site operations, if needed
19:17.36Kuekenyou already have an actor following your mouse?
19:17.54A1winthere's a dummy unit following it
19:17.57Kuekenor at least the direction the attachment should turn?
19:18.09Kuekenokay
19:18.17Kuekendoesn't need to be a unit, but fine
19:18.20ZoldenA1win: http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/38/159/flamish_beam.m3
19:18.25Zoldenthere is a chance this will work
19:18.28A1winhow would I make it an actor though?
19:18.44A1winI mean how do I move actors
19:18.54Kuekensend a SetPosition message :)
19:19.06A1winah
19:19.15A1winmakes sense to just have an actor then
19:19.26Kuekenprobably
19:19.50Kuekenthe map is going to be multiplayer, right?
19:20.17A1winyeah
19:20.46Kuekenokay. Global references are, as the name suggests, global, so you would need one unique reference per player
19:20.57Kuekenits like a global variable, just for actors
19:21.01Kuekenand useable in data
19:21.20Kuekenyou set them up just by sending an actor message
19:21.21A1winZolden, that doesn't preserve velocity either
19:22.02A1wincan I create the actors with triggers so that I don't need to duplicate it in data?
19:22.05Zoldenbut it look in a proper direction, right?
19:22.09A1winI mean set the reference
19:22.19Kuekenyes
19:22.29A1winZolden, mmh not sure
19:22.43Kuekenyou can create the actor in triggers, then send the set reference message via trigger as welll
19:23.38A1winZolden, it fades away quickly
19:24.27Zoldenincrease its scale to make bigger
19:25.38A1winits size doesn't change if I change the scale
19:25.57Zoldentry this, if i'm right, it will preserve velocity 5 times better http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/38/160/flamish_beam_2.m3
19:26.14Kuekensending "RefSet ::global.VariableName ::Self" to an actor will create a global reference
19:26.26Zoldenand gimme a screen of its look in game so i'd adjust its size
19:26.29Kuekenyou can access it via ::global.VariableName
19:27.39A1winZolden, http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/SC2%202013-04-15%2022-26-44-56.jpg
19:28.33A1winZolden, yeah the 2nd one works better
19:29.06A1winerr
19:29.11A1winstill a bit weird
19:29.31Taintedwisphey is there a way to lock a button?
19:29.38Taintedwisplock it so no other trigger can enable it.
19:30.14Taintedwispwithout specifically telling it to unlock
19:30.31A1winnah, you'd have to use booleans or something
19:30.40A1winto keep track of if it's locked or not
19:30.52ZoldenA1win: does it launch the launch of the beam?
19:31.25A1winhuh?
19:32.32A1winKueken, so I should make a forward vector actor in data, then create it with script, use that RefSet to set the reference to the actor that's moving with the mouse, and... then what D:
19:32.50Zoldeni expected it to be atached to the ship as a trail, but looks like it is getting launched ;/
19:33.11A1winit's used as a beam atm
19:33.31A1winthe medivac beam works like it's supposed to
19:33.51A1winI don't think it's "launched", it just doesn't preserve velocity for some reason
19:34.12Kuekenno, you create a forward vector site operation pointing to the global reference, add that to the model you wnat to show at the ship. Then you set the global reference to the mouse actor, and your model should automatically point to the mouse
19:34.56ZoldenA1win: ok, try this http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/38/161/flamish_beam_3.m3
19:35.14Zoldenbut maybe video would help me to configure better
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19:40.43A1winKueken, how does the forward vector point to the reference? <.<
19:41.00Kuekendid you create one?
19:41.27A1winyeah
19:41.42Kuekenset the Host Forward+ field to your reference
19:42.01Kuekenenter the reference in the Subject field
19:42.37A1winwhat's the syntax for it?
19:42.54A1win::global.VariableName ?
19:44.04Kuekenyes
19:44.25Kuekenif you set the reference in data, you can also select it from the list of references
19:44.40Kuekenbut it won't show up, if the reference is only set via trigger
19:45.21A1wincan I set that Host Forward - Subject with triggers too?
19:46.05KuekenI don't think so
19:46.15A1winso I need one for each player?
19:47.26A1winZolden, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXMv5s8z7JM
19:47.48Kuekenyes
19:49.42Kuekenare you using the same effect on your interceptor, Zolden?
19:53.23A1winugh I can't even get a Model actor to get created on the ship ;P
19:53.25A1win;p
19:55.51kubi_Whoa
19:55.56kubi_2-3 bombs just went off in boston
19:56.02JademusSregZoop.
19:56.38Dustin|WorkSaw that
19:58.16A1winJademusSreg, progress ;o  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb6gBJHbcro
19:58.18JademusSregGot a prototype of the ultimate. Will refine when able.
19:59.03JademusSregAdorable. <3
19:59.45ReaperguyverHave a nice weekend Jade?
19:59.56JademusSregRestful.
20:00.14ReaperguyverGood. Glad to hear it. We all need some time off lol.
20:01.10A1winKueken, I have no idea what I'm doing D:
20:01.31Kueken:D
20:01.46A1winI can't even get the model actor to attach to the ship :x
20:02.03Kuekendoes the ship have any attachment points?
20:02.15A1winprobably not, just using the sphere atm
20:04.21A1winbut center will be fine for the test
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20:05.45Kuekenset the model actor's host to _Selectable
20:07.33A1winseems to be already
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20:08.02A1winbut I don't remember how to attach it to something
20:12.06A1winnvm got it now
20:13.41kubi_I cant wait to put it in
20:13.46kubi_I am doing Swarm Host heroes right now
20:13.58kubi_shit
20:14.03kubi_Confirmed Explosion at JFK Library
20:14.32A1winKueken, now it attaches the model but the forward vector siteop doesn't seem to turn it
20:14.58Kuekenand you did create the reference at the mouse actor?
20:15.06A1winI think so ;p
20:15.34A1winI set it to the main actor of the dummy unit
20:16.24A1winor does that ref erence need to exist before the model actor is created?
20:16.52KuekenI don't think so
20:19.17A1winso the model actor just needs the site op in its Hosting: Host Site Operations - Operations   field? or does it need something else too?
20:19.30A1winthe forward vector does turn it, but the reference isn't working
20:20.19A1winthe forward vector has  ::global.MouseActor  in its Host Forward - Subject field
20:20.35A1winand I use "RefSet ::global.MouseACtor ::Self" for the dummy unit
20:21.01kubi_http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/15/investing/stocks-markets/
20:21.01Kuekenwithout the typo, I assume?
20:21.05kubi_Why would stock prices fall?
20:21.07A1winyeah ;p
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20:21.12stefan_hello
20:22.38Kuekenhm, strange
20:22.51Kuekenthe actor message looks correct
20:24.07A1winhttp://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/editor/ph00001.jpg
20:24.13A1winthat's the site op
20:25.24kubi_That site is op
20:26.01A1winerr
20:26.08A1winit's was just the model that wasn't turning >_>
20:26.14A1winbanshee turns just fine :x
20:26.25JademusSregJust doing some polish on it, Kub.
20:26.51A1winso now I just need that flame model thing I guess
20:26.53JademusSregMaking sure all the shit looks right, exploded correctly when killed, returns to orbit when its duration is done.
20:27.13ZoldenA1win: so, what would you like to change in the last version of the beam?
20:27.37A1winZolden, I'm changing this to use a regular model instead of a beam
20:28.01ZoldenKueken: on intercepter I use a similar effect
20:28.08Zoldenok
20:28.43A1winbut now I can't find a flame model that turns with ForwardVector ;p
20:28.53Kueken:D
20:28.55A1winor I mean that turns towards mouse with it
20:29.56A1winerr
20:29.58A1winnow it turns O_o
20:29.59stefan_hey
20:30.07stefan_why is this happening?
20:30.08stefan_http://s22.postimg.org/vwga44an5/wawt.jpg
20:30.10A1winexcept that it turns to the opposite direction :x
20:30.17stefan_the
20:30.23stefan_marine icon
20:30.28A1winKueken, how do I rotate this 180 degrees D:
20:30.58Kuekenyou could add another site operation
20:31.11Kuekentype explicit rotation
20:31.47A1winohh the ref erence didn't work when Forward was set to something else than 0,0,0 <.<
20:33.00JademusSregSee also: SOp180
20:33.07A1winnow it isn't turning again x_x
20:33.54A1winor where am I supposed to add the 2nd site op
20:34.16Kuekento the model as well, below the forward vector
20:34.24A1winah
20:34.37A1winyeah that works
20:34.42stefan_can anyone fix the problem
20:34.47stefan_it makes marine but icon is just purple
20:35.17A1winZolden, this BattlecruiserMissile model is o therwise fine but it leaves some tiny trail of particles that looks ugly
20:35.22A1winany other models like this?
20:35.32Kuekenstefan: thats a placeholder for a missing icon
20:36.38ZoldenA1win: yamatomissile.m3?
20:36.52Zoldenmy beam as well?
20:36.53KuekenI am not sure exactly, which field defines this icon, try to compare your unit and actor to other units with working icons to see, if you missed a field
20:37.39ZoldenPlanetaryFortressSecondaryMissile.m3?
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20:38.21Zoldenmaraudermissile?
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20:38.55stefano_http://s22.postimg.org/vwga44an5/wawt.jpg
20:39.05stefano_hello
20:39.07stefano_why is the icon not marine?
20:39.29Kueken(22:35:32) Kueken: stefan: thats a placeholder for a missing icon
20:39.31Kueken(22:36:52) Kueken: I am not sure exactly, which field defines this icon, try to compare your unit and actor to other units with working icons to see, if you missed a field
20:40.08A1winthat PF missile thing looks alright
20:42.12A1winKueken, can I also move the model instead of just rotating it towards the reference actgor?
20:42.15A1win*actor
20:42.57stefano_if i choose barrack train,
20:43.03stefano_icon is marine
20:43.42KuekenA1win: how do you mean?
20:43.52stefano_if i choose auto train,
20:43.59stefano_icon is purple
20:44.09A1winmove it certain distance from the host actor towards the actor that's at the mouse
20:44.22stefano_i compared barrack to auto train
20:45.04A1winanyway this seems fine now, just need to make it support multiple players
20:45.23Kuekenyou want to have it a small offset?
20:45.33Kuekenor do you need actual dynamical movement
20:45.47A1winoffset
20:46.00Kuekenuse a 3rd site poeration
20:46.03Kueken*op
20:46.07Kuekentype local offset
20:46.38stefano_i really dont know which one is wrong
20:47.29stefano_how do i change icon of unit that is being trained?
20:47.33A1winhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0HziW94dXM
20:47.46A1winlooks a bit funny when the ship bounces and the flame bounces with it :P
20:49.20A1winerrm, what's the best way to create different model actor depending on which player's ship it's created for? do I need a behavior for each player as well?
20:49.35stefano_hello
20:49.48stefano_it is same unit
20:49.52ZoldenA1win: did you try to use physic bodies?
20:49.53Dustin|WorkA1win, I think it looks fine
20:50.07A1winZolden, for what?
20:50.10stefano_if i make marauder, marauder is created from barrack
20:50.18stefano_but icon is purple
20:50.58A1winstefano_, in the unit's actor are some icon settings
20:51.06A1winnot sure which one is displayed while training though
20:51.29ZoldenA1win: for collisions, they are good for collisions and realistic bouncing
20:51.30Stewoxbefore you guys see it on the news as "domestic terrorism" or "anti-government nuts", i think it's another false flag to push gun-control agenda: http://www.infowars.com/terror-explosion-at-boston-marathon/
20:51.58Stewox12 dead 22 injured :(
20:52.05StewoxBoston Marathon
20:52.07Dustin|Work12 dead now? it was just 2
20:52.07Dustin|Workwow
20:52.10A1winZolden, no idea how they work
20:54.43stefano_i am watching ustream
20:54.53stefano_http://www.ustream.tv/cbsnews
20:55.29stefano_what actor?
20:55.48stefano_i dont think it is actor problem
20:56.55A1winactors define icons for units
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20:57.35stefan_sry
20:57.38stefan_disconnceted
20:57.40stefan_http://s22.postimg.org/vwga44an5/wawt.jpg
20:57.46stefan_anyone know how to fix icon problem
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21:11.00Taintedwisphey the effect fields for birth on the units themselves. does that count the unit as the caster?
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21:12.38Kuekenunits have birth effect fields now?
21:13.27Kuekenoh, I see
21:13.29Kuekennice
21:13.55KuekenI would assume caster, source and target all reference the unit in this case
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21:14.08A1winhmm... what should I do next o:
21:14.50A1winfiguring out the theme would be nice ;p
21:15.35A1wina whacky space ship theme would be kinda obvious but maybe it's the best choice anyway
21:15.47A1winerr... wacky
21:16.17A1winor like cartoonish
21:16.27A1winso that I can keep the bounce mechanic ;p
21:16.33A1winwhich isn't very realistic
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21:19.28Taintedwisp_what...
21:19.28Taintedwisp_the fuck
21:19.32Taintedwisp_oh nvm
21:19.33Taintedwisp_there it goes
21:19.34Taintedwisp_haha
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21:19.43Taintedwisp_The entire player list except myself was empty
21:19.51Taintedwisp_Hmm well this sucks..
21:20.10Taintedwisp_I have never used this stupid Unit effect field
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21:23.29stetetehey
21:23.36stetetewhy am i disconnceted often
21:23.45steteteanyone know how to fix icon problem
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21:23.58Taintedwispsooo stupid I keep getting disconnected....... -_-
21:24.22stetetehttp://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/wawt.JPG/
21:25.15JademusSregTaint, swtich to a more reliable irc client?
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21:31.28Kubi__keep dropping
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21:33.59Taintedwispnow lets see if it would allow me to stay logged in this time -_-
21:35.23KuekenJademusSreg: do you think its a client issue? it keeps kicking people all day
21:36.17TaintedwispI think its a freenode issue -_-
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21:36.39Deaodyou should still switch to a proper IRC client ...
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21:38.42Dustin|WorkTainted, I suggest Hydra IRC or mIRC
21:38.51Dustin|WorkSince you're on windows
21:42.26Kubi__JademusSreg
21:42.28Kubi__Hows the ult
21:42.56Torhal|workIceChat 9 is pretty good also.
21:43.20KuekenI like Pidgin :)
21:48.38Kuekenand there she goes again
21:53.29StewoxMSM already linking it to "domestic terrorism" they have their talkers on CBS saying how Al-Quaeda is making magazines how to make bomb and calling extremists in america to do this them selfs, basically more same old joking
21:54.07Stewoxthe old calm guy on CBS has this deep voice trying to make it so emotionally charged "all those people dying, oh"
21:54.49Stewoxofficially it's not even linked to terror, yet ,but the media already makes it , it's all elaborate story by reporters
21:55.05Stewoxand basically this proves it http://www.infowars.com/eyewitness-authorities-announced-drill-before-boston-explosions/
21:55.35Stewox<PROTECTED>
21:58.03Stewoxthey just said it right now, im listening the anchor "al-quaeda inspiring lone wolfs"
22:01.29Stewox<PROTECTED>
22:01.38Deaodand thus the frenzy began ...
22:02.01Stewoxthis is just so predictable
22:02.12Deaodim just gonna ignore the news for the next couple days
22:02.27Deaodnot like anything would change for me ...
22:02.30Deaodhm
22:02.36Stewoxofcourse it's going to be this lone-wold domestic terrorism, to blame the americans, more gun control, DHS coming for you!
22:03.18Stewoxin one minute i heard 3 times mentioned "domestic terrorism"
22:10.35motive||In case anyone's interested, the President's about to make an address: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKm3DBnYEa0
22:10.37motive||making*
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22:10.39TaintedwispBOATS AND HOES
22:10.42motive||he just stepped onto the podium
22:10.54TaintedwispWHo did what did who?
22:10.56motive||http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKm3DBnYEa0
22:11.00motive||The president is addressing the country
22:11.07Taintedwispno one cares what that gorrila says
22:11.15motive||sigh
22:11.54TaintedwispI got a picture of his daddy right here. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lvvlv4cepdQ/UAiCAiRyeII/AAAAAAAAAnk/JqZ9-sEjTLI/s1600/obama_monkey_nigger.jpg
22:12.20motive||sixen: can we really get a tiny degree of moderation in here?
22:12.28motive||I mean, 2 people are dead and we have people linking obama_monkey_nigger.jpg
22:12.31Taintedwisplol
22:12.33motive||kind of depressing
22:12.42Taintedwispi cant help what the link says, it was just a funny picture
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22:13.45KuekenI thought 12 dead people?
22:13.58motive||the official count is still 2. It may have been increased
22:13.58Taintedwisp12 are injured
22:13.59Taintedwispnah just 2
22:14.21Kuekenyou know, the more people die, the less tragic it gets
22:14.40Kueken1 dead is a tragedy, 100k is just statistics
22:15.14Taintedwispyeah
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22:15.27ZoldenKueken: http://i.snag.gy/KtYr2.jpg
22:15.58Stewoxwhahah tainted
22:16.01Kuekenthats something I would really like to see in motion, before I comment
22:16.08Stewoxmotive don't be such a sheeple
22:16.20Taintedwisplooking better, but still looks plastic
22:16.29Stewoxobama saying bullcrap as always
22:16.48motive||...
22:16.51Taintedwispyeah, he just speaks out of his ass. of course so has all the presidents since reagan
22:16.59motive||all he said was that we were still investigating, and that our hearts are with the victims
22:17.05motive||if you can seriously find something wrong with that statement, I don't know what's wrong with you
22:17.11Zoldenwell, in motion it look rather the same
22:17.21Kueken:D
22:17.26Stewoxwell, that's what he says you know, but that is not what he feels
22:17.36Stewoxpresident is a PR spokesperson
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22:17.53Taintedwisppretty much, just a figurehead, we haven't had a real leader in 3 decades
22:18.00Taintedwispjust like the queen of england
22:18.25motive||I find it much more simple to believe that the President is human and empathizes with the victims and their families. It's much more simpler than conspiracies.
22:18.27KuekenI would probably make the purple outline a little smaller or a little more fuzzy, less defined
22:18.35Kuekenotherwise looking good
22:19.11Stewoxi mean, motive, just hours since the event there is already debunking information reported, i wasn't expecting it so fast but  I realized immediately it's a false flag the moment i saw it reported
22:19.25motive||lol
22:19.27motive||seriously?
22:19.32motive||You think it's a false flag?
22:19.33motive||Oh god
22:19.34Stewoxhaha much more simpler
22:19.34motive||you're one of those nutcases
22:19.43Stewoxno im not
22:19.48ReaperguyverOh by the way. Get a chance to look at my map yet Jade? (Not trying to be annoying just curious. )
22:20.17motive||Local police were the ones doing marathon security, one of their own officers was severely injured by the explosion, possibly killed.
22:20.23motive||but anyways
22:20.31motive||not going to argue the facts, they never work with conspiracy nuts
22:20.35motive||you're insane, have a nice day :)
22:20.42ZoldenTaintedwisp: how is it plastic? aren't specular reflections look metallic? http://i.snag.gy/bSC62.jpg
22:20.59Taintedwispnope not at all
22:21.04Taintedwisplooks like a little kids tory
22:21.15Stewoxyeah local police is the one that had "bomb sniffing dogs at the start and finish lines before explosion" “They kept making announcements on the loud speaker that it was just a drill and there was nothing to worry about. “It seemed like there was some sort of threat, but they kept telling us it was just a drill.”
22:21.32Zolden;/
22:21.46motive||this may be news to you but bomb-sniffing dogs aren't a catch all solution for finding bombs
22:21.59Stewoxsame kind of drills happened on 7/7 and 9/11 , hello mr. obvious and mrs. dejavu
22:22.06motive||drills happen all the time
22:22.11motive||drills happened like a week before newtown
22:22.20Stewoxoh sure they do
22:22.32motive||drills happened in my office building a week before the shooting around Penn Station
22:22.33Stewoxevery time same kind of drill happens on such events
22:22.48motive||so the police blew up their own officers?
22:22.51motive||sounds logical.
22:24.07Stewoxthat means, with your logic when the meteorite fell in russia, there was a drill with jet planes trying to shot it down somewhere in russia, well nobody reported of no drill,
22:24.39motive||yes, that's what we call a coincidence.
22:24.40motive||sometimes they happen
22:24.41Stewoxthese are such texbook events
22:24.42motive||sometimes they don't.
22:25.41Stewoxdrills always happen when something happens that makes the govt to take more freedom from americans (and other people in other countries away) oh it's just a coincidence, government loves us, mao killed 80 million but oh he still loves us
22:25.51motive||what's more likely? every major man-made catastrophe in the past decade has been a false flag operation, or you're nuts?
22:25.57motive||second option, please.
22:26.28Stewoxsome things are false flags that don't even get noticed like silent and unexplained killings
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22:27.02Taintedwisp_dammit
22:27.03motive||I'm sure the US government does kill people silently and unexplainably. In fact, it's guaranteed we do
22:27.08motive||we have oversight of it through what's called the group of 8
22:27.24motive||President just can't kill people willy nilly. He has to get congressional approval from a bipartisan group in congress
22:27.27Taintedwisp_Can we start blaming these bombs on certain minority groups
22:27.29Taintedwisp_?
22:27.34Stewoxmost of these that are in the media are aimed at people to change their opinion, to influence public
22:27.36Taintedwisp_If so i wanna go ahead and blame the mexican
22:28.07StewoxNDAA is unconstitutional
22:28.14Stewoxyou're making it sound like it's not big deal
22:28.19Taintedwisp_no shit, so is CISPA
22:28.32Taintedwisp_and so is the patriot act..
22:28.40motive||sorry not group of 8, gang of eight is the term
22:28.46Stewoxand so is the federal reserve act
22:28.46motive||http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Eight
22:29.00motive||It's a big deal, that's why your elected representatives are onboard with it
22:29.04Taintedwisp_the supreme court doesnt do its job,,, it should be worrying about important bills going through the senate, but instead they worry about petty shit like gay marriage -_-
22:29.06motive||also I dont know why you could be opposed to the federal reserve
22:29.09motive||that's how money works.
22:29.25Taintedwisp_the federal reserve fundamentally stupid...
22:29.27motive||Taintedwisp: The supreme court has no jurisdiction over what laws Congress passes
22:29.32motive||You have to bring a lawsuit to them for them to pass judgment
22:29.33Taintedwisp_WHY WOULD YOU PUT THE PUBLICS MONEY IN THE HANDS OF A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION
22:29.57motive||come back with a basic understanding of fractional reserve economics and we can talk about the federal reserve
22:29.59Taintedwisp_they also have power to decide on new laws not brought to them
22:30.03Taintedwisp_....
22:31.05motive||The supreme court has to have ca case brought to them
22:31.11motive||They can't just stick their head into the fray and say no you can't pass that bill
22:31.13Taintedwisp_no they dont -_-
22:31.18motive||They can render opinions on whatever they want but they're not binding
22:31.24motive||that's how the legal system works
22:31.41motive||You have a Defendant (The federal gov't in this case), and a plaintiff, someone who thinks that law is unjust in some way
22:31.45motive||without the plaintiff, you have no case
22:31.48motive||without a case, the court has no jurisdiction
22:32.27Taintedwisp_...
22:32.59Taintedwisp_dude I am not having this stupid arguement with you, this is a mapping channel... no more politics its stupid if you wanna talk politics go suck off that monkey obama.
22:33.03motive||The process for the supreme court to strike down a law is the law first gets passed, THEN someone brings a lawsuit against the federal government, and the attorney general's office acts as defense.
22:33.13motive||if you're going to try to talk politics at least understand how our 3 branches of government work
22:33.14motive||kthx
22:33.16Taintedwisp_otherwise make some maps or talk about maps...
22:33.51Stewox<PROTECTED>
22:34.07motive||Everyone's subject to the law
22:34.09Stewoxas long as they can get away with it, they can keep planting explosives and blaming someone else for it
22:34.19Stewoxno they aren't
22:34.29motive||We've caught and prosecuted (or killed, or found them killed), the guilty parties in every case possible.
22:34.29Stewoxa recent leak
22:34.36Stewoxfrom some govt files
22:34.43motive||until you can prove, beyond a reasonable doubt any of your insane accusations, there's no point in spewing them
22:35.48Stewox<PROTECTED>
22:36.16motive||This is not 1975.
22:37.08Stewoxah no all is forgoten, kissnger went to pension, he gave up!
22:37.41Stewoxthat's the problem, people forget stuff, they can get away with it, because people already forgot stuff from newtown
22:37.45motive||the actions in that particular note pertain to policy overseas for the most part
22:37.55motive||that's a grey legal area, since international law is basically whoever has the balls to enforce it
22:38.31motive||I haven't forgotten Newtown... I donated to the political causes I felt would prevent another tragedy like that and continue to stay informed with the legal battles surrounding it.
22:38.40motive||The American system works, mostly.
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22:39.14Stewoxah sure they did, now look what's happening, this is whas soon gonna be rolling down your street: http://static.prisonplanet.com/images/250313dhs-mrap-armored-vehicles.jpg
22:39.22motive||lol
22:39.31motive||you actually think they're going to drive that around?
22:39.35motive||that's for emergency situations
22:39.50Stewoxemergency
22:39.56motive||That's the kind of vehicle that shows up, for example, at an office that opened a letter with a biological threat
22:39.59Stewoxeverything can be an emergency
22:40.00motive||that's happened, in my town, actually.
22:40.11Stewoxoh they really gonna treat you nice
22:40.16motive||They did
22:40.32motive||They got everyone possible out of the building, administered first aid, identified the compound, and coordinated the local law enforcement efforts.
22:40.37Stewoxeating cat food in a fema camp
22:40.41motive||My dad was there and was quite happy with how he was treated
22:40.45motive||and he ate at home just fine.
22:40.51TaintedwispHey how do I do something for a certain player but I need it to do it for each individual player?
22:41.17TaintedwispI tried pick each player in all and players, and do actions, but that didnt work
22:41.33TaintedwispI cant use triggering player
22:41.40Taintedwispbecause its a time elapsed trigger
22:41.45motive||Taintedwisp: it's (Picked Player) in a for loop
22:41.51Stewoxmaybe they gave him a shot of thimerosal, you sure they treated him good ?
22:41.52motive||a player group loop I mean
22:42.04motive||Stewox: no one got a shot of anything because they identified the compound as inert.
22:42.40Stewoxwhat was this about anyways ?
22:42.43Stewoxexplain
22:42.48motive||He was also onsite when a main blew near Grand Central Station and they thought that was a terrorist attack for about an hour. Again, treated well, emergency services were great about getting everyone out of there.
22:43.02motive||I've been on the NJtransit trains when they have a bomb threat, a few officers board, investigate, and the train moves on
22:43.08motive||there's a genuine need for these people in this world, and it's fine.
22:43.23Stewoxyou're like totally dreaming now
22:43.33Stewoxlook
22:43.37motive||I'm not saying they're perfect, I'm saying they've done a good job every time I've interacted with them.
22:43.38Stewoxthey may look nice now
22:43.54Stewoxbut that's just what it is now
22:43.57motive||do you really think your local police department can handle an anthrax attack or terrorist bomb?
22:43.58motive||they can't.
22:44.21motive||My town's post office and about two dozen residents were mailed anthrax after 9/11. Our local police force can't do shit. The FBI and homeland security came in, shut everything down, and fixed the situation.
22:44.24motive||That's why we have the federal government
22:44.25Stewoxall those threats are artificially caused, that's the real issue
22:44.44Stewoxthey didn't fix anything lol
22:44.57Stewoxwell you got some pics or something to prove it up or what
22:45.01motive||the fact that I can go down the street and mail a letter without dying means they did
22:45.03motive||Sure
22:45.03motive||I can
22:45.39Stewoxwell what if some nut from the street was making false alarms lol ?
22:45.40motive||http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2001/11/1/anthrax-delays-princeton-mail-the-discovery/
22:45.55motive||FYI, as a result of that happening locally:
22:45.55motive||http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2012/06/west_windsor_company_to_help_d.html
22:48.04motive||I'm sure you can find more sources if you google the anthrax attacks in general
22:48.09Stewoxwell now i found this
22:48.10Stewoxhttp://www.infowars.com/senator-demands-answers-on-government-anthrax-investigation-mystery/
22:49.22StewoxThe FBI based it’s entire case against Ivins on the fact that the microbiologist had access to the necessary equipment in the government lab at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases where he worked.
22:49.30Stewoxin-quote
22:49.42motive||/shrug. I don't know how it was done, but that doesn't mean the government was automatically behind it.
22:49.52motive||It just means they have an interest in making a conviction, not letting him go ;)
22:50.22Stewoxwell what was the last time you saw any of the federal guys there
22:50.31motive||Depends
22:50.34motive||homeland security? that was the last time.
22:50.43Stewoxyeah for example
22:50.53motive||FBI? they raided the local town next door's mayor's office for corruption
22:50.57motive||they also have an office over there, too
22:51.00motive||but that's them doing their job
22:51.18motive||They also raided a prostitution ring a few miles away
22:51.42motive||Arrested another mayor in Edison, NJ for corruption and brought him back there
22:51.47motive||list goes on, but that's all legitimate FBI duties
22:51.51Stewoxso you want to know more, just keep an open mind right,
22:51.59Stewoxthe FBI aren't the bad guys
22:52.22Stewoxbut they're being harrased one by one, and you don't get to see that on tv or anywhere mainstream
22:52.30motive||like I said, the Homeland Security team hasn't been around here since the last time there was a real threat post-9/11.
22:52.42motive||The only law enforcement I interact with is my local law enforcement, the port authority PD, and NYPD
22:52.48Stewoxwell fine but that doesn't mean you're safe 100%
22:53.07Stewoxoh so that's in new your ...
22:53.15motive||No but you're never safe, and I'm confident that if something dangerous did happen here the full force of the federal, state, and local government would be behind me
22:53.20motive||oh sorry
22:53.26motive||I missed a few agencies
22:53.34motive||I saw the National Guard for NY and NJ out in force after Sandy
22:53.43Stewoxnow come on, they did made those antrax right ther in NY
22:53.51motive||they were patrolling around my office since south of  there lost power.
22:54.08motive||There's a lot of big business in NJ/NY
22:54.10motive||especially bio-medical.
22:54.21motive||We're a hub for probably a quarter of the business in the US
22:54.46Kubi__JademusSreg!!!!!!!!!~!
22:55.21Stewoxbut you did you ever heard that NY is considered mafia central, big business indeed ?
22:55.27motive||lol
22:55.31motive||maybe a few decades ago it was mafia central.
22:55.36motive||Big Business hell yes though
22:55.37motive||:)
22:55.46Stewoxand that reflects in the gun-control policy that's been going there for much longer
22:55.56motive||we're liberals
22:56.00motive||we have our liberal gun control laws here
22:56.02motive||they work for us
22:56.14Stewoxhow ?
22:56.27Stewoxhow does a gun work for you if you don't have it ?
22:56.36motive||Most of the people here support the President and the gun control laws
22:56.37motive||We don't want guns.
22:56.46Stewoxa burgler comes with knife and bat, what are you going to do ?
22:56.53motive||Leave the house, let him take what he wants
22:56.54motive||dial 911
22:56.56Stewoxwell that reflects definitely
22:57.03Stewoxhahaha
22:57.08Stewoxyou sound like fox news
22:57.09motive||In NJ this is a matter of law, you have a duty to retreat from your home if your life is not in danger
22:57.14motive||you don't get to kill someone for stealing property
22:57.20motive||a life isn't worth any amount of money
22:57.21Stewoxthat's the stuff bill maher would say
22:57.27motive||That's what we believe
22:57.30Stewoxor any media-propaganda type guy
22:57.42motive||We don't think people should die for stealing a TV.
22:57.43Kubi__WUT
22:57.43Kubi__ARE
22:57.44Kubi__U
22:57.45Kubi__GUYS
22:57.46Kubi__TALKIN
22:57.47Kubi__ABOUT
22:57.56Stewoxand you actually falsely belivie into that, following a herd of sheep
22:57.58motive||My TV isn't worth ending a human life
22:58.00motive||no
22:58.01Kubi__I think a person should die for stealing a tv.
22:58.02Kubi__I do
22:58.09motive||Kubi__: hope you live in texas then ;)
22:58.12Kubi__I wish
22:58.14motive||It's not a false belief
22:58.16motive||that's our moral values
22:58.19Stewoxthe killer is out to kill you, not to take things from your hose
22:58.19motive||we don't think property is worth killing for
22:58.21motive||so we make it our law
22:58.26motive||like I said
22:58.30motive||unless your life is threatened
22:58.38motive||if your life is threatened, you can kill them
22:58.46motive||but if they just want your shit, they're going to get it
22:59.05Stewoxyou're a reflection of the environment motive, no woder whay they call it mafia central, i mean, you sound like the CNN and FOX , cia propaganda machines
22:59.10motive||lol
22:59.17motive||it's not my environment, it's what I believe.
22:59.21motive||there's no mafia here
22:59.24motive||wannabe mafia maybe.
22:59.27Stewoxstop watching TV,  this is an actual healthy advice
22:59.29motive||go to staten island you'll find a ton of wannabes.
22:59.32motive||I don't watch TV
23:00.11motive||If someone comes into my house to kill me, I'm allowed to kill them. If they want my shit, I will leave the residence and call 911 so the police can catch him and prosecute him to the fullest extent allowed by law.
23:00.21Stewoxyou don't see the mafia, they hide very well, shadow government, the low level guys just follow orders but they get easily bribed too
23:00.37motive||NJ is the most corrupt state in the union but we don't have a shadow government rofl
23:00.49motive||just a few guys getting bribed to build a few buildings or win government contracts
23:00.54Stewoxthat's some funny talk right there, the system doesn't work this well ...
23:01.07motive||The FBI has been cracking down a lot on that though, NJ is doing a lot better
23:01.08motive||so it does work
23:01.09Stewoxthere's no guarantee you'll win in court
23:01.14motive||sure there is
23:01.20motive||trial by jury, remember?
23:01.25motive||I'll be tried by a jury of my like-minded peers.
23:01.35Stewoxcracking down on americans who promote their 2nd amendment right,
23:01.38motive||In practice nobody's going to prosecute you for killing someone who comes into your house armed.
23:01.41Stewoxif you know anyone
23:01.56motive||but it prevents messes where you can kill someone for robbing a neighbor's house, etc.
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23:02.08motive||It's legal to own a gun in NJ, you just have to keep it locked up
23:02.18motive||The discharge of firearms in my town is prohibited by law unless in case of emergency.
23:02.57Stewoxask them, ask a elementary school child if he ever heard or saw this in his school: http://www.infowars.com/father-sickened-by-anti-constitutional-note-from-sons-school/ (read what is says on the picture)
23:03.03motive||lol
23:03.07motive||oh this bullshit
23:03.13Stewoxyou read it that fast ?
23:03.19motive||I've seen it
23:03.24motive||One misguided student does not a broken system make
23:03.30Stewox“I am willing to give up some of my constitutional rights in order to be safer or more secure.”
23:03.38Stewoxwaiiit
23:03.42Stewoxthat's not a student
23:03.56Stewoxtearchers were ordered to make students write this every week
23:04.02Stewoxas a part of "civics class"
23:04.09motive||I can easily think of a reason why a teacher would want to do that.
23:04.40motive||You can convince students to give up a few "harmless" rights in exchange for additional security, and make a class lesson about how that starts seemingly innocent and turns bad.
23:04.41Stewoxif you were talking about the law previously, let me tell you that by current law this is considered treason and propaganda
23:04.48motive||this isn't treason
23:04.50StewoxHAHA harmless
23:04.53Stewoxno it isnt
23:05.05motive||Exactly
23:05.07motive||it's a teachable moment
23:05.21motive||you convince students to hypothetically give up a few rights, and show how that becomes a "slippery slope" to tyranny
23:05.30Stewoxteachers complicit in a conspiracy, failure to report criminal , complicit in a criminal activity , .... etc
23:05.35motive||No...
23:05.38motive||There's no evidence of a conspiracy
23:05.50Stewoxmaybe they teached you the same crap
23:05.54motive||No, I was never taught this
23:05.59Stewox2nd amendment isn't for duck hunting
23:06.02motive||I'm trying to tell you there's a reason why a kid would learn this.
23:06.08Stewoxso then don't belive it
23:06.30motive||A teachable moment would be a teacher showing students how giving a few rights up can lead down a path to tyranny rather than security.
23:06.31Stewoxdon't be a fool im just trying to help you, there is no other random guy on earth that's going to be more friendly to you
23:06.38motive||And part of that lesson plan would involve assuming what the kid wrote down.
23:06.41motive||perfectly reasonbale.
23:06.54motive||You need more information to make this a conspiracy
23:07.13Stewoxcome on, i know you want to defend the place where you live, it's totally understandable,
23:07.22motive||first of all, this isn't from where I live
23:07.34motive||the schools where I live are fantastic, consistently rated best in the country
23:07.52motive||we don't have an education problem here.
23:07.59motive||In my town the graduation rate is like 99%
23:08.07Stewoxwell you got there too much into that deeply, just take the science and math stuff, leave history alone
23:08.33motive||Part of history is analysis, not fact repetition.
23:08.48Stewoxyou know a longer version of the word "school" , this will give you thought
23:08.55motive||"Rights are good, security shouldn't be traded for rights" is a nice fact. But showing students why is more important.
23:09.00Stewoxpart of histroy is a hidden truth
23:09.08motive||Part of history is interpretation.
23:09.26Stewoxpart of history is fakery
23:09.43Stewoxgulf of tonkin ...
23:09.44Stewoxoperation gladio ...
23:09.50Stewox9/11 ...
23:09.55Stewox7/7
23:10.01Stewoxbatman shooting
23:10.04Stewoxnewtown shooting
23:10.07Stewox... and so on
23:10.10motive||History is seen through the eyes of every person hearing it. The schools here, for instance, will teach that WW2 internment of japanese was unacceptable, unconstitutional, and shameful.
23:10.24motive||A student can then make their own judgment about guantanamo bay, for example, based on that knowledge of the past
23:10.37Stewoxoh wait , let me translate that word ...
23:11.43Stewoxhmm it's too similar explain that internmnent word
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23:12.02Stewoxi don't understand it
23:12.17motive||Japanese internment camps in WW2 were setup to unlawfully detain japanese americans as they were considered a threat to the country after pearl harbor.
23:12.20CardanisKueken: Hey, whenever you're around, I have a few questions regarding how the turrets on your baneblade work
23:12.31motive||They were detained without proper legal recourse, had their writ of habeus corpus violated, etc.
23:12.39Kuekengo ahead
23:13.08Stewoxby the way, that feels more like propaganda to me, my school wasn't making any opinions on anything, you just teached what was in the book and it was all objective "official history" even if the official history is obviously total lie
23:13.19motive||That's not propoganda.
23:13.22motive||That's a fact.
23:13.27Stewoxhow can be it unconstitutional, japan isn't part of USA
23:13.29motive||You can't be imprisoned without due legal process.
23:13.33motive||They're Japanese Americans.
23:13.40CardanisSo, I've set up my own unit, with it's own turret. I'm using an invisible phoenix for the turret base, with a random weapon attached to it for visible purposes. I've got it all rotating and working perfectly, except I can't seem to get the launch effects of the attack to come from the turreted weapon
23:13.43CardanisI can pastebin the stuff if you want
23:13.44motive||As in people who were japanese but living in the United States.
23:14.02Stewoxoh wow
23:14.09Stewoxa good thing they teached you
23:14.09Kuekenyou have to set up a Site actor for that
23:14.11motive||Stewox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment
23:14.24Stewoxthis is almost a miracle
23:14.38motive||It's an important lesson in civil rights
23:14.39CardanisThat's what I've done
23:14.43motive||Specifically, balancing security vs freedoms.
23:14.48Cardanisand link the site actor to the actual turret, right?
23:14.51Stewoxbut that's not everything they do isn't it
23:14.51motive||We recognize that the tradeoff made in the 40s was wrong today.
23:15.17motive||That wasn't a conspiracy though.
23:15.20motive||That was just public belief.
23:15.23Kuekenthe Site needs to be hosted to the actor you want to attach the animation to
23:15.35Stewoxlook this doesn't work as nice as it sounds in school , please don't take it seriously, the program is made for a child to accept it easily
23:15.36Kuekenand you need to use the Site in the according Action actor
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23:15.52Stewoxi was going to tell you the longer name of the words "school" ... for a thought
23:15.56Cardanis_(Sorry, I got disconnected, so I might've missed it if you said anything)
23:16.10Kueken(01:15:23) Kueken: the Site needs to be hosted to the actor you want to attach the animation to
23:16.12Kueken(01:15:36) Kueken: and you need to use the Site in the according Action actor
23:16.15StewoxEstablishment Indoctrination Camp - that's a technical word for School
23:16.23motive||Stewox: I live life by Occam's razor. Unless you have concrete evidence of a conspiracy I'm not going to believe it.
23:16.23motive||lol
23:16.24motive||what
23:16.28motive||what planet are you living on
23:16.35Kuekenin the action actor's Launch Site field to be exact
23:16.50Kuekenalso, you might have to check the Launch Force Site action flag
23:17.11StewoxEarth: Welcome To Planet Hoax :)
23:17.17Cardanis_Ya, I've got that too. Except that flag actually, I'll check that
23:17.18motive||The state has a vested interest in educating everyone so that they can be informed citizens. That's not indoctrination.
23:18.50Stewoxthey're educating you how to give up your constitutional right ... you need to understand what im doing here, they're took the guns from all countries only 2 remain, usa and switzerland, now you're helping the same bankster mafia that killed innocent serbian people because they made up a false flag in bosnia
23:19.15Stewoxi am not going to get into the trap
23:19.19motive||No one's educating us to give up our rights.
23:19.36motive||The area where I live, NJ/NY, just happens to be very pro-gun control, because we have a very different kind of life than for example, Texas.
23:19.57motive||Literally, the entire state of New Jersey, is urban or suburban, basically.
23:20.04motive||There is no wilderness where police assistance isn't available.
23:20.09motive||We're the most densely populated state in the US.
23:20.18motive||There's no need for extensive private gun ownership, although it's still available.
23:21.15Cardanis_THERE we go. It was that flag, thanks Kueken
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23:21.36Cardanis_The launch effect is firing straight down, but I'm assuming I can just fix that with a rotate
23:21.38MoonEaterJade
23:21.50motive||NYPD has almost 9,000 police cars in it's fleet. It makes no sense for private individuals to need guns in NYC when there are literally that many cops within a 468sq. mile area.
23:22.01motive||Hence why unless you're a cop in NYC, gun ownership is basically impossible
23:22.41MoonEaterMake a game about it
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23:23.08motive||As of June 2004 NYPD has 40,000 police officers for that much square footage.
23:23.39Stewoxyes they don't attack you who are complicit
23:23.46MoonEaterCalifornia has 200000 inmates
23:24.09MoonEaterTexas has 150000 and the 3rd largest is 75000
23:24.14Stewoxthey're making up arms so the people and police now have severe lack of ammo
23:24.29motive||they have plenty of ammo
23:24.32motive||lol
23:24.37MoonEaterLouisiana has more inmate per capita than china and Iran combined
23:24.45StewoxMoonEater, more inmates more profit: http://www.infowars.com/private-prisons-the-more-americans-they-put-behind-bars-the-more-money-they-make/
23:24.54MoonEaterI know about that
23:24.55motive||fyi, I'm against private prisons
23:25.01MoonEaterYep...
23:25.05motive||that's something most people on either side of political party are against
23:25.37motive||The state shouldn't make money off of imprisoning people, it should be a disincentive for every arrest that they will lose money.
23:25.40MoonEaterBrittian saves thousands by outsourcing almost every public service
23:25.57MoonEaterThere nukes are owned and managed by a private company
23:26.12motive||Britain is very different from the US
23:26.18Stewoxit's beyond complex to get some common ground here, it's miles apart
23:26.23motive||Just look at their firearms death right. =P
23:26.25motive||rate*
23:26.31Stewoxi can only link you some of the stuff and you think about it
23:27.06MoonEaterThere r zero statistics linking videogames to youth violancr
23:27.08motive||I'm never going to see your point of view, Stewox. I was born in NYC and most of my views are very solidly in the left.
23:27.09Stewoxbut i'll just tell you that I've research my own place, even if have relatives there, and my grandfather had to escape the war
23:27.32MoonEaterLooking at youth violence since 1995 there has been a decline
23:27.36Stewoxwhy is it that you want to be confined in "your" views
23:27.53motive||I don't, I consider every side of an issue. It just so happens that I agree mostly with the demographics here
23:28.00motive||when I was in Texas for 6 years, I still agreed with the left.
23:28.07MoonEaterAnd since videogames today are 1000x better graphics and gore shouldn't crime be similar?
23:28.26Stewoxbut unless something bad happens to you you'll think that your good guy
23:28.34motive||No
23:28.54Stewoxthose people made up the whole mess in balkans, and when they couldn't fight the serbian army they started killing civilians
23:29.10motive||it's hard to believe the US military would ever fire on US citizens
23:29.14motive||They're made up of US citizens
23:29.29motive||An even number on both sides of the aisle. Hell, maybe even skewed conservative probably
23:30.28MoonEaterAnyways the main reason im on is my bank won't validate. I've soon plenty of banks so I must be missing somthing
23:31.54Stewoxmotive that's the point i have here
23:32.00Stewoxyou see this gun thing as good
23:32.05Stewoxwell they aren't good guys
23:32.11Stewoxand im not saying your country
23:32.27Stewoxim saying the mafia that has infested your conutry and it started with bankers and NATO
23:32.34motive||The bankers aren't the mafia dude
23:32.34motive||lol
23:32.40motive||NATO isn't a mafia either, it's a few countries working together
23:32.41Stewoxlook this how NATO killed innocent people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=d7p1x2qzhxU#t=14s
23:32.46Stewoxhaha
23:32.49motive||NATO is made up of primarily US armed forces.
23:32.52motive||We make mistakes, I get it.
23:32.54motive||We're not bad people.
23:33.05motive||War is shitty.
23:33.42Stewoxi know you're not bad
23:33.48Kubi__BOOOO
23:33.49Kubi__BOOOOOO
23:33.52Kubi__BOOOOOOO
23:33.54Stewoxbut I'm trying to prove to you that you're being corrupted
23:33.58motive||Also, fyi, my own father works in the banking industry, and I know a lot of my own friends do as well. That's proximity to NYC for you. These guys are not the enemy.
23:34.12motive||They work 12-14 hour days and are on-call constantly for the slightest fluctuation in the economy
23:34.22motive||Their salaries are inflated, but they pay a ton in taxes too
23:34.23motive||it works out
23:35.00motive||Rent in NYC is $2400/mo for a 1br, so yeah, the avg income is sky high, but it doesn't necessarily go as far as it sounds.
23:35.05Stewoxoh now i know why your father was treated well
23:35.09motive||lol
23:35.11Stewoxanyways
23:35.26motive||My dad's not enough of a big name to ever get any special treatment, don't worry
23:35.47motive||He's sued the government to get his own father his citizenship, so if anything he's on a shitlist.
23:35.58Stewoxask your father to explain to you how monetary policy works, ask him all about it, im also interested what he has to say
23:35.58motive||The issues a lot more complex than you make it out to be.
23:36.06motive||I studied monetary policy in college briefly.
23:36.22motive||My dad's job doesn't involve it though, at least not too much
23:36.26Stewoxokay so tell me how is money created
23:36.32motive||Loans
23:36.49motive||If you sit on your money, it loses value to inflation. Hence, incentive to invest, and keep the economy moving.
23:37.16Stewoxso, that means if you, don't grow the economy, it collapses ?
23:37.19motive||Assuming inflation is reasonable, ie. 2%, that works for everyone.
23:37.20motive||Yes it does
23:37.29motive||The economy MUST grow by definition of fractional reserve banking.
23:37.36motive||If the economy isn't growing, that means huge amounts of wealth are being wiped out
23:37.49motive||And that's OK, as long as the rest of the economy continues to grow with it.
23:37.56motive||It's the only system that would really scale for a global economy at this point
23:38.02Stewoxyou're just found the cause of all financial problems
23:38.07motive||nope
23:38.12Stewoxhow not
23:38.14motive||look at it this way
23:38.20motive||this is a common lesson for economics 101
23:38.28motive||Why did the western world have the industrial revolution before China?
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23:38.56motive||Cheap loans and low interest rates. The interest rates for loans in the west were commonly where they are now, whereas in China, despite their technical superiority, a loan would commonly require 100% interest or even 200%.
23:38.57Stewoxcapitalism made it
23:39.10motive||Fractional reserve banking made the western world how it is today
23:39.17motive||It's a great way to spur innovation
23:39.33Kubi__Jesus christ, the bomber packed bombs with ball bearings
23:39.55Kubi__That like getting hit with a musket shot, instead of a clean break with shrapnal its designed to fuck your shit up.
23:40.02motive||Damn :/
23:40.16motive||132 injured, too.
23:40.24motive||Sounds like we got really lucky.
23:40.25Kubi__Essentially obliterating anything in it's path.
23:40.27motive||A lot more people could've been killed.
23:40.35Kubi__yeah you see that pic
23:40.37motive||yeah
23:40.40Kubi__of that dude with his legs blown off
23:40.41motive||I saw that guy missing his leg, shit.
23:40.45Kubi__both of them
23:40.47motive||But at least he's alive, you know?
23:40.48Kubi__it was cropped
23:40.48Taintedwispdammit this isnt working -_-
23:40.54Taintedwispomg still abvout stupid politics..
23:40.55motive||yeah
23:40.56motive||I saw the original
23:41.16motive||2 bombs in a highly crowded area and only 2 killed though
23:41.18motive||seriously, we got lucky.
23:41.21Kubi__True
23:41.49motive||On the bright side, they're all covered health insurance wise in 8 months.
23:41.51motive||Lol
23:41.56Taintedwispso what? 2 people died.... what makes them any different then the other few thousand who will die today?
23:42.06Taintedwispnot a damn thing..
23:42.10Taintedwispdead is dead
23:42.16motive||Taintedwisp: Nothing. But it was sudden and horrific, in broad public, murder. That's humanity. We make a big deal out of that.
23:42.23motive||I don't want to die going out for a coffee.
23:42.30motive||I plan on dying in my sleep of a heart attack in old age or something.
23:42.59Taintedwispyou will die when your maker decides you will die, or if you believe in science, you will die randomly.... either way... dead is dead and it can happen at any time. you dont see a drunk driver being all over the news -_-
23:43.10motive||I believe in purely science.
23:43.10motive||:)
23:43.33Taintedwispthen there you go, you will die randomly, theres nothing that can be done about it either way...
23:43.33motive||You're right, but again, it's horrific because this is murder
23:43.35motive||broad daylight
23:43.51Taintedwispso? people get murdered in broad daylight every day...
23:43.52motive||This is potentially even children
23:43.54motive||Not like this
23:43.59Stewoxthe controlled media makes a big deal , psyop
23:44.01motive||Not in the middle of a nice city
23:44.02Taintedwispin bosting thats probably more consistant then other players
23:44.09Taintedwispbostin*
23:44.22TaintedwispNo one ever said bostin was a nice city -
23:44.22motive||Boston's a nice place. You don't expect shit to get blown up while standing in a public square.
23:44.28motive||You expect to get blown up in Afghanistan, not Boston, MA.
23:44.53motive||Boston's a beautiful city, btw.
23:44.59Stewoxalso, chicago , the american center of gun-control , the most violent, 1 death every day
23:45.13Taintedwispmore thenm that stewox
23:45.42motive||Stewox: NYPD did a study on where illegal guns were coming from
23:45.43Stewoxi was not going to be reasonable
23:45.45motive||The majority were from South Carolina
23:45.47motive||Not NYC
23:45.48Stewoxi mean i was
23:45.54Stewoxi meant exaggerated
23:45.55motive||Shitty gun sellers making a quick buck
23:45.58Stewoxnot*
23:46.05Taintedwisplol
23:46.16Taintedwispjust like the stupid fucking north, to blame the south
23:46.23TaintedwispHate to tell you south carolina doesnt have many illegal guns.
23:46.34Taintedwispactually the majority of the nations illegal guns are from mexico
23:46.43motive||errr
23:46.50motive||South Carolina they can be sold legally, but not to NY
23:47.16motive||We're not blaming the south. We're saying most of the illegal guns in NYC are never sold in NYC. They're sold from weaker jurisdictions elsewhere, such as South Carolina.
23:47.24motive||Where you can buy a gun at a gun show, no background check, etc.
23:47.26Taintedwispi have lived at the border of north and south carolina all my life I have gone to school in both, and I have traveled over 60 miles in each direction often(for various reasons)
23:47.37Taintedwispthats NYC fault..
23:47.51motive||What if they're sold in violation of South Carolina law as well?
23:47.54Taintedwispthat means your idiots are coming buying htem legally.
23:47.56motive||(hint: they are)
23:47.58Taintedwispthere not ...
23:48.17Taintedwispdude, just like a fuckin yankee, blame the south for your own stupidity
23:48.23Stewoxmotive if you so defend the govt, what about the fast and furious story, you like govt shipping weapons to mexico to drug cartel http://www.infowars.com/the-untold-story-behind-the-fast-and-furious-scandal/
23:48.25motive||The facts disagree with you
23:48.32motive||The fast and furious story was just incompetence
23:48.34motive||nothing new :)
23:48.38motive||pure 100% incompetence
23:48.52Taintedwispwell I dont listen to an organization who kills 11 people trying to shoot at one unarmed man..
23:49.09motive||wat
23:49.19Taintedwispat the end of the day, its mexicans for our drugs and illegal weapons..
23:49.23Taintedwisptheres no denying that
23:49.39Taintedwispand your gorrilla allows everyone of those illegal bastards to stay.
23:49.48motive||Why go to Mexico when you can go to any red state and pick up a gun at a gun show no questions asked?
23:49.57Taintedwispthere are questions asked
23:50.03motive||Not enough
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23:50.18Taintedwispa criminal background check is given at each test...
23:50.24motive||Not at a gun show
23:50.31TaintedwispYES at gun shows too
23:50.41TaintedwispDont try to tell me, I have been to atleats in the hundreds of gun shows..
23:50.48Taintedwispmy dad and I used to go every weekend
23:51.04motive||Under the terms of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, however, individuals "not engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, or who only make "occasional" sales within their state of residence, are under no requirement to conduct background checks on purchasers or maintain records of sale (although even private sellers are forbidden under federal law from selling firearms to persons
23:51.06motive||they have reason to believe are felons or otherwise prohibited from purchasing firearms).
23:51.14motive||that's called the "Gun Show Loophole"
23:51.20motive||Maybe you went to some above board gun shows ;)
23:51.26motive||But there are others where that doesn't happen
23:51.28Taintedwispthey still do it...
23:51.40TaintedwispI have gone to various gunshows all around NC and SC...
23:51.58Taintedwisp(my dad was a gun enthusiast you could say.)
23:52.13motive||Well here
23:52.17motive||watch a video of someone abusing the loophole
23:52.17motive||http://www.gunshowundercover.org/
23:52.32motive||Hey look it's done by the city of New York :)
23:53.02Taintedwispcant help what stupid yankees do
23:53.07motive||That's not yankees doing
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23:53.18motive||That's investigators going to red states and buying guns in violation of the law
23:53.19TaintedwispYankees are fucking dumb no question about that. half of my family are from the north, and they are fucking stupid
23:53.21CryptRatIt's me again! o.o
23:53.37motive||Taintedwisp: The north east is one of the most highly educated areas in the country
23:53.42motive||you can't possibly argue we're all dumb :)
23:53.53TaintedwispDude its not against the law to go somewher and BUY SOMETHING LEGALLY JUST BECAUSE YOUR FROM A STATE!!!
23:53.55motive||New England has Princeton, Harvard, MIT, Yale, the list goes on
23:54.13TaintedwispWHATS ILLEGAL IS TRANSPORTING THEM ACROSS STATES WITHOUT FUCKING ABIDING BY THAT STATES LAWS
23:54.18motive||It's illegal to sell to someone who you believe can't pass a background check, and that's what the seller did
23:54.21motive||Which is illegal in the states they bought them in
23:54.24motive||without even factoring in NY
23:54.26Taintedwispjust like I wouldnt take my guns into cali... because that is my responsibility to know that states laws before I enter it
23:54.35motive||yes because you're responsible, others aren't.
23:54.44CryptRatI want to use one of the Musics on my map, but skip the first 6 seconds of it. However, using the Play Sound action, the background music continues to play.
23:54.44motive||but the guns were purchased illegaly anyways
23:54.46motive||even in the red states.
23:55.01CryptRatI used Stop all current and queued music, but the background music just restarts.
23:55.40CryptRatThe Play Music action won't let me skip the first 6 seconds, which is complicating things
23:55.53TaintedwispTHEY WERENT FUCKING PURCHASED ILLEGALLY dammit, you stupid fucking brainwashed moron...  Learn the fucking states laws before running your lips about something you dont know shit about.. theres an old saying in the south, if you dont know what your talking about just shut the fuck up.(quite a common saying around here)
23:56.01CryptRatAnd the music is done in response to a human action, so I can't play it 6 seconds "early".
23:56.05motive||Taintedwisp: they were
23:56.06motive||please read the article
23:56.11motive||They were purchased illegally in the state of Arizona.
23:56.27motive||The argument is that there was not enough enforcement of laws already on the books there.
23:56.38motive||It just HAPPENED to be done by NYC investigators.
23:56.52Kubi__yo
23:56.54Kubi__YO
23:57.00CryptRatI guess nobody is in Map-making mood?
23:57.03Kubi__Is it illegal if I rip music from YouTube?
23:57.04Taintedwispim done you have proved your vast ignorance motive -_-
23:57.07Kubi__Is it illegal if I rip music from YouTube?
23:57.14motive||yes Kubi
23:57.17Kubi__How?
23:57.21motive||Copyright law
23:57.24Kubi__When you watch something on youtube
23:57.30Kubi__it is automatically download to your computer
23:57.35Kubi__then cleared when you leave the page.
23:57.37motive||yes
23:57.39motive||true
23:57.40Kubi__so
23:57.46Kubi__Watching a youtube video with copyright on it
23:57.47Kubi__is illegal
23:57.49motive||But it's still illegal to rip it.
23:57.51motive||No
23:57.56motive||One maintains a permanent copy, the other is a temporary.
23:58.04Kubi__That makes absolutely no sense.
23:58.07motive||Yes
23:58.12motive||It's a side effect of the exact legalese which is
23:58.29motive||The MPAA, or RIAA, or whoever the fuck you want, grants you a license to download and view the video via YouTube subject to the conditions of blah blah blah.
23:58.34motive||ie. as soon as you rip it you're fucked
23:58.43Kubi__Good thing that cant detect it
23:58.46Kubi__thats how i get my music
23:58.53motive||I'm too lazy for that
23:58.57Kubi__offliberty.com
23:58.59motive||I just use iTunes and pay my $1.29
23:58.59motive||Lol
23:59.10Kubi__copy paste
23:59.12Kubi__bam
23:59.13Kubi__download
23:59.29motive||the problem is I always listen to satellite radio in my car. so if I hear something I like I want to buy it right there on my iPhone.
23:59.34motive||so it just makes sense for me to pay the $1.29
23:59.42motive||plus I also get iCloud and iTune Match which sync up all my stuff automatically
23:59.43TaintedwispIts not illegal to download anything on the internet, that is a crock of shit, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE BOUGHT IT BEFORE. For example I own all the acdc CD's if I wanted to I could go rip off those same music files from the internet, and I am covered.
23:59.43Kubi__You can pay me
23:59.44motive||I think it's worth it
23:59.44Kubi__1.29
23:59.56Kubi__I'll give you
23:59.58Kubi__mp3 of it

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