IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20130412

`00:01.06`	`A1win`	`hmm I think I know what I'll do with the mothership map now... I'll use the idea and remake the whole thing from scratch instead and make it something completely different o:`
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`00:01.58`	`A1win`	`there was some old game where you had stationary 2D planets with gravity and you could jump between them with your ship and shoot at others... something like that`
`00:02.43`	`A1win`	`a few big planets, each with gravity, and you can fly around with your ship by increasing its movement vector to the opposite direction of where you point your mouse at`
`00:02.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds familiar. And awesome.`
`00:03.00`	`A1win`	`and of course all the projectiles will also be affected by the gravity of each planet`
`00:03.32`	`Batomys`	`The uncommandable unit is targetable, I can heal it with the Nano-Repair ability, but somewhere in the Medic heal it is preventing cast on Umcommandables, even though it is allowed in the tatrget filters`
`00:03.57`	`A1win`	`but I'll need to script the physics, the ones used in that mothership map are kind of hacky`
`00:04.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds like it's not biological, Bat.`
`00:04.08`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
`00:05.22`	`Batomys`	`Swapped Biological to Mechanical as well, it works on commandable mechanical units.`
`00:05.26`	`Batomys`	`Silly ability`
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`00:12.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Then perhaps the Create Healer effect rejects it.`
`00:15.55`	`A1win`	`if fuel and ammo regenerate quickly while sitting on a planet and are consumed quite fast, I don't even need any artificial boundaries to the map as the ships will simply be drawn back to the "solar system" by gravity`
`00:16.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Yesss.`
`00:16.41`	`JademusSreg`	`That's the emergent limits I like to hear.`
`00:18.06`	`A1win`	`damn this will be so awesome xO but it's 3:17 already`
`00:18.34`	`A1win`	`and I'll need to consult a friend with scripting the physics :P`
`00:26.31`	`A1win`	`hmm if I only use the direction of the point where the mouse cursor is in relation to the ship that's in the center of the screen, I can allow zooming or have automated zooming based on speed/whatever`
`00:26.51`	`A1win`	`but not sure if direction is all I need...`
`00:27.30`	`A1win`	`otherwise zooming will mess up mouse coordinates until mouse is moved again`
`00:37.16`	`Stewox`	`probably the funniest and best thing that happened this month: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/adam-orths-always-on-twitter-gaffe`
`00:37.23`	`Stewox`	`fuck always online!`
`00:39.04`	`Dogmai`	`You guys should be supporting this`
`00:39.06`	`Dogmai`	`http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/8568958742?page=1`
`00:42.41`	`A1win`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG59jrn909 eww, there's like a million better ways to make a 2D gravity game than this`
`00:43.55`	`A1win`	`"wouldn't it be cool if there was a game like worms, but with multiple centers of gravity" and then they make a game that is EXACTLY that apparently`
`00:44.16`	`A1win`	`can't remember the name of that old game :<`
`00:44.47`	`Stewox`	`waw , no idea what the fuck is that going on about dogmai`
`00:45.29`	`Dogmai`	`A super iconic map from Sc1 was banned in Sc2, because it is designed in a way like a swastika`
`00:45.41`	`Dogmai`	`But those who actually have a good education system`
`00:45.53`	`Batomys`	`Thanks Jademus, that was it - there was a 'Not Uncommandable' validator on the heal effect`
`00:46.01`	`Dogmai`	`Know that it has nothing to do with Nazis`
`00:46.03`	`Dogmai`	`Common sense`
`00:46.28`	`Stewox`	`i know it originates from elsewhere, though i have not fully researched it`
`00:46.49`	`Stewox`	`okays so what's the point of the story, the outrage ,,, continue`
`00:47.04`	`Stewox`	`what is the map about, i have no idea the circumstances`
`00:50.42`	`Stewox`	`look at that guys: http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1260734`
`00:50.49`	`Stewox`	`holy shit`
`00:51.06`	`Batomys`	`Funny how most of the reviews for my map on the EU realm are constructive and friendly`
`00:51.20`	`Batomys`	`Ones from the US are not so much`
`00:54.27`	`Ahli`	`hahaha http://oi46.tinypic.com/dcqw7a.jpg`
`00:54.41`	`Ahli`	`blizz should ban itself for a week ;)`
`00:55.27`	`JademusSreg`	`tinypic, wtf.`
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`00:57.26`	`A1win`	`seems like there are a LOT of games with stationary 2D planets with gravity :P`
`00:58.17`	`A1win`	`oh well they probably all suck`
`00:58.56`	`A1win`	`I'll make one that doesn't`
`00:59.14`	`A1win`	`after sleep`
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`01:06.42`	`Kueken`	`I bet all the ones who made those maps said the same thing :)`
`01:06.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah`
`01:16.48`	`Stewox`	`well that got interesting now`
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`01:17.20`	`ClayMuffin`	`Yo`
`01:17.37`	`ClayMuffin`	`Anybody know what the term used to set a delay in actor events+?`
`01:17.38`	`ClayMuffin`	`http://pastebin.com/bfRrKjy9`
`01:18.32`	`ClayMuffin`	`I would like this to have a 5 sec delay before the stop is applied`
`01:18.34`	`ClayMuffin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:18.40`	`ClayMuffin`	`AnimBracketStop`
`01:18.49`	`ClayMuffin`	`and what BSD stands for?`
`01:19.15`	`ClayMuffin`	`It's pretty quiet in there tonight`
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`01:22.40`	`Reaperguyver`	`hiiiiiiiii`
`01:37.43`	`Kueken`	`hm`
`01:37.49`	`Kueken`	`pastebin down or something?`
`01:37.55`	`Kueken`	`ClayMuffin: BSD is just a name`
`01:38.15`	`Kueken`	`you can change that to anything you want, its just for future reference`
`01:38.21`	`ClayMuffin`	`kk`
`01:38.32`	`Kueken`	`an abbreviation for BirthStandDeath`
`01:38.56`	`Kueken`	`a delay in actor events usually can be achieved by setting a timer`
`01:39.09`	`ClayMuffin`	`thats what I'm trying to set up right now`
`01:39.22`	`ClayMuffin`	`I'm lokking at other actor to know to to do this`
`01:39.37`	`Kueken`	`its pretty straight forward`
`01:39.43`	`ClayMuffin`	`right now I'm trying to set the term as my timer name for the animbracketstop`
`01:39.47`	`ClayMuffin`	`can't find it`
`01:40.17`	`Kueken`	`so yu set up a timer already?`
`01:40.35`	`Kueken`	`the TimerName term is only available in a timer related event`
`01:40.36`	`ClayMuffin`	`yes`
`01:40.48`	`Kueken`	`for example timer expired`
`01:41.44`	`Kueken`	`why do you start with an AnimBracketStop btw?`
`01:42.27`	`Kueken`	`because you only want to play the death animation?`
`01:42.33`	`ClayMuffin`	`that paste bin was showing a wrong setup`
`01:42.35`	`ClayMuffin`	`wait a sec`
`01:42.44`	`ClayMuffin`	`I'll show you the updated version I'm about to try`
`01:42.51`	`Kueken`	`alright`
`01:43.41`	`ClayMuffin`	`how about this`
`01:43.41`	`ClayMuffin`	`http://pastebin.com/h3K2dqBA`
`01:44.09`	`Kueken`	`looks about right`
`01:44.16`	`ClayMuffin`	`test`
`01:44.16`	`ClayMuffin`	`inbound`
`01:44.39`	`Kueken`	`btw you don't need to specify a timer name, if you only use one timer in the actor`
`01:44.54`	`Kueken`	`it works without a name and without the name check term`
`01:47.26`	`ClayMuffin`	`k`
`01:47.31`	`ClayMuffin`	`tx for ths info`
`01:47.36`	`ClayMuffin`	`it works well btw`
`01:48.08`	`Kueken`	`good`
`01:53.56`	`Kueken`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqE9zIp0Muk`
`02:00.41`	`ClayMuffin`	`this shit is impressing`
`02:01.13`	`ClayMuffin`	`hey kueken, is there a way to make an effect remove all active behavior on a unit?`
`02:01.31`	`ClayMuffin`	`but`
`02:01.34`	`ClayMuffin`	`I've seen some validator do this for specific applied behavior`
`02:01.49`	`ClayMuffin`	`I want the behavior to be remove on ownership change`
`02:01.54`	`Kueken`	`not sure, there should be a remove validator effect, maybe if you don't specify one it will remove all`
`02:02.11`	`Kueken`	`*remove behavior`
`02:02.15`	`Kueken`	`not validator`
`02:02.38`	`ClayMuffin`	`yea`
`02:02.54`	`ClayMuffin`	`there is a behavior : validator (remove)`
`02:03.08`	`ClayMuffin`	`validator about unit ownership?`
`02:03.10`	`ClayMuffin`	`not sure it exist`
`02:03.15`	`Kueken`	`I was referring to the effect`
`02:03.16`	`ClayMuffin`	`I searched for that`
`02:03.25`	`ClayMuffin`	`o`
`02:03.34`	`Kueken`	`there might be a validator for that as well, dunno`
`02:04.41`	`Kueken`	`however validators usually check either a state or an interval, not a specific one-shot event`
`02:05.37`	`Kueken`	`like unit getting damaged, there is no validator checking for the damage event, there is just a validator for the time since the unit was last damaged.`
`02:06.22`	`Kueken`	`so there is probably no validator for an wnership change, and I cannot imagine they have a validator for something like time since last ownership ghange ;)`
`02:06.35`	`Kueken`	`*o`
`02:06.36`	`Kueken`	`*c`
`02:06.43`	`Kueken`	`-.- getting tired`
`02:08.42`	`Ahli`	`"[4/12/2013 4:08:14 AM] Warning: Battle.net connection is closing: Hydralisk" what?!`
`02:09.19`	`Kueken`	`:D`
`02:09.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`02:09.40`	`Kueken`	`I had the login error: Executor recently`
`02:11.18`	`Kueken`	`that would have been a nice touch for the D3 launch`
`02:11.30`	`Kueken`	`instead of all the "Error 34" crap`
`02:11.54`	`Kueken`	`"i got error code: Hydralisk, whats wrong?"`
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`02:17.45`	`ClayMuffin`	`chat crashed 10 minutes ago`
`02:17.52`	`ClayMuffin`	`sorry if I missed anything`
`02:18.20`	`ClayMuffin`	`and the removal of a ownership change behavior by a remove behavior effect reset initial ownership of a unit`
`02:18.24`	`ClayMuffin`	`wrosk just fine`
`02:18.34`	`ClayMuffin`	`works*è`
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`02:26.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA`
`02:26.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`WO(W`
`02:27.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/13437/ I post about the reddit thread, and tenarsis instantly bumps about 10 threads lawl`
`02:27.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`oh shit hahahah`
`02:28.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`I bumped my old thread, and it didnt bump ahahah, They flagged it so it wouldnt bump too lawl`
`02:28.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`Quick someone try posting in http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/8568958967`
`02:31.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hopefully if all goes well some blizz devs will be here tomorrow :)`
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`02:37.54`	`ClayMuffin`	`i hope so`
`02:38.25`	`reaperguyver`	`Anyone else having an issue alt tabbing starcraft 2?`
`02:38.31`	`ClayMuffin`	`hired*`
`02:38.32`	`ClayMuffin`	`How would you guys feel about behing hire to help peps over mapster?`
`02:39.00`	`reaperguyver`	`If I knew enough about the map editor I would do it lol.`
`02:39.33`	`ClayMuffin`	`I was more thinking about Jade and tainted, who have extensive experience with the editor`
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`02:44.28`	`Reaperguyver`	`Last I had Heard Jade was trying to fix my map that broke = /`
`02:47.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`Reaper. check in options theres a setting, under gameplay 2.0.7 auto enabled mine...`
`02:48.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`though strangely it only locked my alt tab sometimes`
`02:49.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`i would love to, but i would do it for free too I suppose :/ but as an unemployed man I would love to :)`
`02:51.49`	`Kueken`	`Reaperguyver: yes, occasionally I have problems alt-tabbing as well`
`02:53.26`	`ClayMuffin`	`hey tainted`
`02:53.28`	`ClayMuffin`	`you still here?`
`02:55.06`	`ClayMuffin`	`I'm gonna ask anyway...`
`02:55.17`	`ClayMuffin`	`Do you know what smart validator+ does?`
`02:55.35`	`ClayMuffin`	`I got an ability that allow you to hack a target and gain control of it`
`02:55.40`	`ClayMuffin`	`all work fine so far`
`02:56.24`	`ClayMuffin`	`flags are a bit to restrictive to set the ability properly, so I wanted to have a validator that would check if target unit of the hack ability has a behavior on him called "can be hacked"`
`02:56.47`	`ClayMuffin`	`so i put a validator that check if can be hacked = 1 on target unit in the start validator hack ability`
`02:56.52`	`ClayMuffin`	`but it does not work`
`02:57.07`	`Kueken`	`smart validators work if the ability can be casted via smart command, aka right click`
`02:57.09`	`ClayMuffin`	`i can hack unit that have the "ca be hacked" behavior and also unit who does not have it`
`02:57.16`	`ClayMuffin`	`shit`
`02:57.20`	`ClayMuffin`	`ok`
`02:57.21`	`ClayMuffin`	`hum`
`02:57.44`	`Kueken`	`if you want to put a generic validator on an ability, put it on the first effect in your effect chain`
`02:58.16`	`ClayMuffin`	`and it will stop you from targeting with the ability? or just make the effect do nothing?`
`02:58.26`	`Kueken`	`it will stop you`
`02:58.29`	`Kueken`	`try it`
`02:58.35`	`ClayMuffin`	`sweet, thats the answer I wanted to hear`
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`03:04.18`	`Taintedwisp`	`I havent messed too much with validators, :/ but the best way to figure anything out is just to try it out. Trial and error is usually the best way to do anything :)`
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`03:05.01`	`killermo`	`hello`
`03:05.21`	`killermo`	`can i disable auto start in lobby`
`03:06.14`	`killermo`	`or can i change team in lobby`
`03:06.47`	`killermo`	`and players in team 1 in lobby start in team 1 zone`
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`03:06.57`	`Kubi`	`what a dick`
`03:06.58`	`Kubi`	`http://imgur.com/r3d8gAP`
`03:07.09`	`killermo`	`if i change team in lobby, i start team 2 zone not team 1`
`03:07.57`	`killermo`	`this is so inconvenient`
`03:15.32`	`ClayMuffin`	`damnit fuck shit`
`03:15.54`	`ClayMuffin`	`I'm trying to test my map and my game tell's me I don't have HosT`
`03:15.59`	`ClayMuffin`	`whats thats stupid bug....`
`03:17.42`	`ClayMuffin`	`ok sorry guys`
`03:17.46`	`ClayMuffin`	`just updated the luncher`
`03:19.34`	`ClayMuffin`	`If I make custom text for a validator error message`
`03:19.40`	`ClayMuffin`	`what is the text key?`
`03:19.56`	`ClayMuffin`	`i tried to fill it and nothing appear in game when i get the error noise`
`03:26.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`YOu just type whatever you want into the text key`
`03:27.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`The text key is where the text editor will store the message`
`03:27.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`so you can bring it back up in the future.`
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`03:37.29`	`Batomys`	`Anyone know a good thread to read for making AI for a custom arcade map?`
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`03:47.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`EMERGENCY EMERGENCY!!!!`
`03:47.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`YOUR MOTHERS A WHORE!?!?!?!?!`
`03:48.56`	`ClayMuffin`	`hum`
`03:49.13`	`ClayMuffin`	`anybody know if there is any good static noise in the editor?`
`03:49.20`	`ClayMuffin`	`used to be alot of them in WoL`
`03:49.30`	`ClayMuffin`	`I can't find any aside from one boring`
`03:50.20`	`ClayMuffin`	`Is it possible that not all noises from WoL are loaded in HosT?`
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`03:53.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Zoop.`
`03:53.36`	`ClayMuffin`	`Yea where are actually all the sounds from WoL?`
`03:53.51`	`ClayMuffin`	`Can,t find them in my sound list with HosT dependencies`
`03:53.59`	`ClayMuffin`	`Hello Jade`
`03:54.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Clay, are you familiar with the asset browser?`
`03:54.10`	`ClayMuffin`	`more or less`
`03:54.24`	`ClayMuffin`	`lets say no`
`03:54.43`	`ClayMuffin`	`I,m closer to the "less" than the "more"`
`03:54.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Not the thing that pops up when you are altering a model asset field, but related. Those apply filters by default.`
`03:55.00`	`ClayMuffin`	`the no`
`03:55.04`	`ClayMuffin`	`then*`
`03:55.14`	`ClayMuffin`	`I only used that so far`
`03:55.35`	`JademusSreg`	Press Alt ` (tilde and grave key on a common keyboard) to bring up the Console window.
`03:55.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Enter the command browse`
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`03:56.27`	`ClayMuffin`	`those commands are not necessarily the same on a mac`
`03:56.34`	`JademusSreg`	`shrugs.`
`03:56.35`	`Ravonus__`	`ahh phase two of my minepocket pe servers all automation , good stuff coming!`
`03:56.38`	`Ravonus__`	`www.minepocket.com`
`03:56.39`	`ClayMuffin`	`by console window, do you mean terminal window?`
`03:57.11`	`JademusSreg`	`In any case, the Console window is accessible from the Window menu on the menubar.`
`03:57.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Rav, wat?`
`03:57.30`	`ClayMuffin`	`Alright`
`03:57.36`	`ClayMuffin`	`let's do this :D`
`03:57.45`	`JademusSreg`	`The browse command brings up All The Things.`
`03:58.09`	`ClayMuffin`	`Master tool`
`03:58.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Every file loaded or accessible. Including map content.`
`03:58.19`	`ClayMuffin`	`k`
`03:58.42`	`JademusSreg`	`For instance, Objects (it has no file extension) is an xml file that shows all the preplaced objects on the map.`
`03:59.19`	`JademusSreg`	`The Search field works as you would expect.`
`03:59.53`	`JademusSreg`	`It is advised you don't switch to tree view, as loading it is exceedingly slow.`
`03:59.59`	`ClayMuffin`	`Is it possible to pop up the filter on the sound asset so all can be accessed in the viewer?`
`03:59.59`	`ClayMuffin`	`k`
`04:00.05`	`Reaperguyver`	`How's it going Jade?`
`04:00.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi Reap.`
`04:00.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Clay, you can filter by directory.`
`04:00.53`	`JademusSreg`	`So /Sound or some such would only display content in a matching directory string.`
`04:03.59`	`JademusSreg`	`This is far preferable to accessing a data field if one just wants to browse without disrupting work flow, since you'll still be able to trigger or work on data while the asset browser is open.`
`04:07.16`	`Reaperguyver`	`Any luck figuring out what broke my map?`
`04:08.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh yeah, did you send me a fresh copy? Or was mine the freshest? My apologies, I was busy testing new shit the other day and forgot.`
`04:08.33`	`ClayMuffin`	`By any chance, would there be any way to remove the filters on the data assets?`
`04:08.58`	`ClayMuffin`	`For most asset the browse function is fine, but for sound I need to hear them`
`04:09.10`	`ClayMuffin`	`ok im stupid`
`04:09.16`	`ClayMuffin`	`i can hear them in the console`
`04:09.22`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
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`04:09.53`	`Reaperguyver`	`no it's fine`
`04:09.58`	`Reaperguyver`	`I think you have the latest copy.`
`04:10.13`	`Reaperguyver`	`I didn't do anything new to it or plan to until this gets fixed or I have to remake the entire map.`
`04:10.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Pretty sure it's a basic configuration bug. No worries.`
`04:11.24`	`ClayMuffin`	`damnit maybe I got the wonr data asset name`
`04:11.32`	`ClayMuffin`	`I'm searching for some noise or static`
`04:11.38`	`JademusSreg`	`What was the name? Echos of War?`
`04:11.45`	`ClayMuffin`	`Can't see to find those on WoL that were so great`
`04:11.56`	`ClayMuffin`	`There was a couple of them, maybe 4-5`
`04:12.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Clay, Swarm dependency loads Liberty and Core by default.`
`04:12.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Swarm Campaign loads those and their Campaigns by default.`
`04:12.44`	`JademusSreg`	`And Swarm Story does the same for Story.`
`04:12.48`	`Reaperguyver`	`yeah`
`04:12.49`	`Reaperguyver`	`basically`
`04:12.50`	`Reaperguyver`	`echoes`
`04:13.32`	`ClayMuffin`	`interference`
`04:13.34`	`JademusSreg`	`So Swarm Story -should- add all the dependencies you need, and there's no need to add the others manually.`
`04:13.40`	`ClayMuffin`	`that was the stupid word I was looking for`
`04:13.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
`04:13.52`	`ClayMuffin`	`didn't someone said earlier that there were filters?`
`04:14.06`	`ClayMuffin`	`in data assets? So I would not see all WoL noises and sounds?`
`04:14.22`	`ClayMuffin`	`like WoL campaign discussion with Jim and Horner?`
`04:14.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Depends on what you mean.`
`04:14.58`	`JademusSreg`	`The Data Editor has both a search filter field and a pulldown menu with the mods.`
`04:15.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Screenshot of your data editor, if you have trouble finding it.`
`04:15.44`	`ClayMuffin`	`Right now I'm browsing sound from the trigger editor and I can't find the sound I just found in the console`
`04:16.21`	`JademusSreg`	`That's okay. It's showing you Sound Data, not sound assets in the trigger editor.`
`04:16.31`	`JademusSreg`	`You'll need to make a Sound data entry for it.`
`04:16.54`	`ClayMuffin`	`o`
`04:17.07`	`ClayMuffin`	`Thats explains everything`
`04:17.33`	`ClayMuffin`	`So HotS dependencies do not have the same sound data than WoL, by they share the same assets`
`04:18.17`	`JademusSreg`	`More or less. HotS cannot remove WoL data.`
`04:18.35`	`JademusSreg`	`But it can override its assets, its data, or add a hide in editor flag.`
`04:19.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Though the lattermost only applies in palettes.`
`04:19.29`	`JademusSreg`	`It's still visible in the data editor.`
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`04:21.14`	`ClayMuffin`	`So the best way to bring back WoL sound for me to browse through would be?`
`04:21.40`	`JademusSreg`	`I think perhaps you have a filter set?`
`04:22.14`	`ClayMuffin`	`Wehere would this option be? I wish to remove it if I have one.`
`04:22.27`	`JademusSreg`	`In what way is it not available? I am confused?`
`04:24.22`	`ClayMuffin`	`I'm getting a bit confused to`
`04:24.43`	`ClayMuffin`	`I have the feeling that some sounds of WoL are missing from the editor`
`04:24.54`	`ClayMuffin`	`you tell me that there might be a filter set`
`04:25.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Alright. Tell me which module and which entry specifically is not available?`
`04:25.45`	`ClayMuffin`	`Assets/Sounds/Uni/Events/TTychus03_TVInterference.wav I can't get it when I'm browing for sounds in the trigger module`
`04:26.29`	`ClayMuffin`	`I just checked again, it's not there`
`04:26.32`	`ClayMuffin`	`but`
`04:26.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Let me confirm this.`
`04:26.39`	`ClayMuffin`	`I found it in the console`
`04:27.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, see, like I said before. It doesn't show sound assets in the trigger module.`
`04:27.38`	`JademusSreg`	`It shows sound data entries.`
`04:27.51`	`ClayMuffin`	`Then the question I should have asked`
`04:27.52`	`JademusSreg`	`You must make a sound data entry in the Sound tab of the data editor.`
`04:28.03`	`ClayMuffin`	`Whats the difference between both?`
`04:28.04`	`ClayMuffin`	`o`
`04:28.06`	`ClayMuffin`	`ok`
`04:28.12`	`ClayMuffin`	`then that solve a lot of thing`
`04:28.20`	`ClayMuffin`	`I get it`
`04:28.35`	`ClayMuffin`	`data as in data module`
`04:28.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`04:30.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Reap, send me the map once more. Not the one I sent you.`
`04:31.17`	`JademusSreg`	`I must be certain. =D`
`04:34.55`	`Reaperguyver`	`okay`
`04:35.01`	`Reaperguyver`	`sure gimme a second`
`04:35.29`	`ClayMuffin`	`I think the best way to browse WoL sounds asset will be to make a dummy map with WoL dependencies so it show up WoL sound Data`
`04:35.42`	`ClayMuffin`	`Simplest solution I came up with`
`04:36.27`	`Reaperguyver`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/echoes-war/files/3-echoes-of-war/`
`04:36.32`	`JademusSreg`	`I suppose. Why would this be needed, though, Clay?`
`04:38.51`	`ClayMuffin`	`I'm searching for some sound data I've used while I was working on the editor back then`
`04:39.02`	`ClayMuffin`	`while only WoL was available`
`04:40.40`	`JademusSreg`	`So many fun new features to test, so little time.`
`04:40.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Noticed a Creep actor just todat.`
`04:40.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, today.`
`04:41.09`	`ClayMuffin`	`true, so many little time`
`04:42.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, mortality is dreadfully inconvenient.`
`04:43.25`	`ClayMuffin`	`I'm searching for a sound asset in which you can hear a voice through radio interference. I think it was warfield speaking`
`04:43.31`	`ClayMuffin`	`Can't find it back`
`04:43.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Scroll up?`
`04:43.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Assets/Sounds/Uni/Events/TTychus03_TVInterference.wav`
`04:44.10`	`ClayMuffin`	`thats just plain interference, I'll use it tough`
`04:44.15`	`ClayMuffin`	`I just wanted many of them`
`04:46.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Reap, do your computer players use AIs?`
`04:47.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, Reap, may have found the bug.`
`04:47.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Or one of them, at least.`
`04:47.46`	`ClayMuffin`	`sleep is overrated`
`04:47.49`	`ClayMuffin`	`but I need some`
`04:47.54`	`ClayMuffin`	`Have a good night everybody`
`04:48.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Poozzzz.`
`04:48.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Reap, you might find this amusing, and I'm not certain how you even managed it, but the color for Player 0 in your game variants is some kind of invalid value.`
`04:49.14`	`Reaperguyver`	`oh`
`04:49.14`	`Reaperguyver`	`no not really`
`04:49.20`	`Reaperguyver`	`I have not programmed it in yet`
`04:49.25`	`Reaperguyver`	`they're just basically place holders`
`04:49.38`	`Reaperguyver`	`lololol`
`04:49.38`	`JademusSreg`	`While every other player slot has Default[whatever], Player 0 has a blank space.`
`04:49.44`	`Reaperguyver`	`Yeah I manage to do stuff like that.`
`04:49.46`	`JademusSreg`	`No shit, this is comical.`
`04:49.56`	`Reaperguyver`	`lol my entire map is kind of a joke`
`04:49.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, what would explain the bug.`
`04:50.07`	`JademusSreg`	`But I'll look for others.`
`04:50.12`	`Reaperguyver`	`I apologized about it's poor state before you downloaded it the first time.`
`04:50.52`	`Reaperguyver`	`I want to say in WoL it didn't have that problem but I can't remember anymore.`
`04:50.53`	`JademusSreg`	`You can fix that in a few seconds. Go to game variants, player 0, set the color value to Default.`
`04:51.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Then try uploading it.`
`04:51.31`	`Reaperguyver`	`okay I iwll.`
`04:51.36`	`JademusSreg`	`If this fixes it, I'd be amused.`
`04:52.32`	`ClayMuffin`	`I'm staying here just to see the result of this`
`04:52.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, Computer slots tend to be visible in the lobby. Which looks displeasing.`
`04:52.58`	`Reaperguyver`	`oh?`
`04:53.01`	`Reaperguyver`	`hhmmm = /`
`04:53.09`	`JademusSreg`	`One problem at a time!`
`04:53.10`	`Reaperguyver`	`no I tried changing the color before and it didn't effect it.`
`04:53.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Change the player slot color Value to Default.`
`04:53.43`	`JademusSreg`	`In Game Variants, not Player Properties, gogogo./`
`04:53.44`	`Reaperguyver`	`There isn't a default value for player 0 because it's white?`
`04:54.10`	`JademusSreg`	`It's bugged in Game Variants. By imperial decree, you must correct it and test.`
`04:54.19`	`ClayMuffin`	`haha`
`04:54.23`	`Reaperguyver`	`game variants -> player value -> player 0 red.`
`04:54.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Set it to Default.`
`04:54.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Setting it is the important part here.`
`04:55.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Because it appears blank in the the top window.`
`04:55.19`	`Reaperguyver`	`There isn't a default option?`
`04:55.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Which means the value is invalid.`
`04:56.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Then set it to default in the player properties first. =D`
`04:56.23`	`Reaperguyver`	`but it's set to white....`
`04:56.29`	`JademusSreg`	`See?!`
`04:56.39`	`Reaperguyver`	`I set it to white on purpose?`
`04:56.44`	`Reaperguyver`	`because it's not a color normally used?`
`04:56.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Set it to Any.`
`04:57.35`	`Reaperguyver`	`I did`
`04:57.38`	`Reaperguyver`	`same options turned up`
`04:57.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Then set the value in the Game Variants to Default.`
`04:57.46`	`Reaperguyver`	`red dark's and lights`
`04:58.26`	`Reaperguyver`	`okay okay I got it`
`04:58.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Save the game after you update the player options.`
`04:58.35`	`Reaperguyver`	`Default (red)`
`04:58.36`	`Reaperguyver`	`lol`
`04:58.39`	`ClayMuffin`	`ok i'm out`
`04:58.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`04:59.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, fix Player 5 controller to default.`
`04:59.16`	`JademusSreg`	`It's Open, and not Default [Open].`
`04:59.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Not that that's a bug, it just annoys me.`
`04:59.53`	`JademusSreg`	`The other thing was a bug.`
`05:00.07`	`JademusSreg`	`And it appears to be corrected on my version.`
`05:00.17`	`JademusSreg`	`So it should upload and load the lobby correctly.`
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`05:03.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, I think I see the bug's cause.`
`05:03.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Neato.`
`05:03.22`	`Reaperguyver`	`cool`
`05:03.28`	`Reaperguyver`	`I'll upload it in asap`
`05:04.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Gameplay Data > Default Blahblah > UI: Team Colors+ > Color: 0, Name: White, User Choice: Disabled`
`05:05.09`	`Reaperguyver`	`don't look at the triggers or modified data or you'll want to kill me. lol`
`05:05.26`	`JademusSreg`	`That must make it invalid for lobby.`
`05:05.37`	`JademusSreg`	`And thus invalid for game variants.`
`05:06.24`	`Reaperguyver`	`huh?`
`05:06.51`	`JademusSreg`	`You could use it if either it was enabled, or is the player type for the slot was set to Neutral or Hostile, neither of which display in the lobby and thus shouldn't bug.`
`05:07.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Don't worry, you don't need to understand why, just putting the information out there.`
`05:07.41`	`Reaperguyver`	`oh okay lol ty`
`05:12.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Damn. Can't add more team colors. Pff.`
`05:24.22`	`Reaperguyver`	`>.> lol`
`05:25.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Must only allocate 4 bits to it.`
`05:25.18`	`JademusSreg`	`To the index, that is.`
`05:25.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, let me know if the lobby loads correctly.`
`05:26.14`	`Reaperguyver`	`nope = /`
`05:26.17`	`Reaperguyver`	`just check it`
`05:26.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Same error?`
`05:26.29`	`Reaperguyver`	`yeah`
`05:26.37`	`Reaperguyver`	`I'll post the one I just published.`
`05:26.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, send me the map again. =D`
`05:26.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Yay.`
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`05:28.16`	`Reaperguyver`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/echoes-war/files/4-still-broken/`
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`05:30.19`	`Eagles_`	`hi brahs`
`05:30.27`	`Reaperguyver`	`Hello.`
`05:30.34`	`Eagles_`	`IM NOT YOUR BRO EAGLES`
`05:30.37`	`Eagles_`	`IM NOT YOUR BRO`
`05:30.43`	`JademusSreg`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brah_clan`
`05:30.48`	`Eagles_`	`lol`
`05:31.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Reap, did you reset the names players 0 and 15?`
`05:32.43`	`Reaperguyver`	`I can change their names?`
`05:32.56`	`Reaperguyver`	`No. I didn't lol.`
`05:33.09`	`Reaperguyver`	`It never occured to me to do that for any reason.`
`05:33.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Before those players were West Team and East Team.`
`05:33.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Now the names have reverted.`
`05:33.34`	`Reaperguyver`	`oh.`
`05:33.38`	`Reaperguyver`	`Maybe I did?`
`05:33.47`	`JademusSreg`	`That's not reassuring.`
`05:33.57`	`Reaperguyver`	`I don't think I did.`
`05:34.12`	`Reaperguyver`	`Probably happened after we reset the variants back to default.`
`05:34.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Doesn't make sense. It was in the previous version.`
`05:34.58`	`JademusSreg`	`The immediately preceding version I had open a minute ago,.`
`05:35.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, I noticed your teams don't include the computer players.`
`05:35.35`	`Reaperguyver`	`I have no idea wtf I'm doing lol`
`05:35.55`	`Reaperguyver`	`When I went back to look at what you were referring too player 0 had reverted back to white`
`05:36.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Try adding the East Team and West Team players to the teams in the TeamPlacement Advanced tab.`
`05:36.40`	`Reaperguyver`	`Though I do have 3-4 versions of this map floating around on my computer....`
`05:36.49`	`Reaperguyver`	`okay`
`05:37.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Really ought to try a proper naming convention for these maps.`
`05:37.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Like major.minor.patch.build`
`05:38.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Making this 0.1.0.bazillion`
`05:38.45`	`Eagles_`	`lol`
`05:38.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, what do these computer players actually do, in design terms?`
`05:39.07`	`Reaperguyver`	`Yeah I just make 2-3 copies because my computer locks up and I have to turn it off and sometimes it corrupts the map.`
`05:39.19`	`Reaperguyver`	`Just spawn a command center`
`05:39.27`	`Reaperguyver`	`this way player one and player five can change teams`
`05:39.54`	`Reaperguyver`	`So they don't have a start location or anything so I can't directly set them on a team other then in the variants.`
`05:40.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Wow. It's a good thing I'm just curious about this bug.`
`05:40.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
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`05:40.54`	`Reaperguyver`	`Like I had stated before lol sorry before hand`
`05:41.03`	`Reaperguyver`	`and don't poke aroudn too much or you'll want to kill me lol`
`05:41.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw.`
`05:41.16`	`Reaperguyver`	`Honestly I'm surprised the damn thing even works.`
`05:41.46`	`JademusSreg`	`My flavor text isn't "Kills people", it's "Laughs Derisively".`
`05:41.56`	`Eagles_`	`good`
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`05:42.18`	`Eagles_`	`i was worried about myself`
`05:45.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, how in the nine thorny dongs of Sargeras did Player 15 go from Pink, to Light Grey, to Brown in the Game Variants?`
`05:45.48`	`JademusSreg`	`New plan, remove player 15, switch it to player 11.`
`05:46.15`	`Reaperguyver`	`Yeah that might have to be it.`
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`05:46.26`	`Reaperguyver`	`I'll move it down to 13 in case I do bump it up to 6 on a team.`
`05:46.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw. Player 11, just to be safe.`
`05:47.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Either add those slots now and close them or leave it for later.`
`05:49.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Who knows what lobby bugs might leap from the gap otherwise, as would the abominable offspring effusing from an immortal eldritch slab of shit.`
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`05:53.28`	`Eagles_`	`gah.. my item isn't showing up in my shop :S`
`05:53.48`	`Reaperguyver`	`>.<`
`05:53.52`	`Reaperguyver`	`I hate this stupid map lol`
`05:54.57`	`Reaperguyver`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/echoes-war/files/5-echoes-of-war/`
`05:55.00`	`Reaperguyver`	`Still broken.`
`05:55.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Ye must finish what ye starts, lest never will ye learn the conditioning.`
`05:55.54`	`Reaperguyver`	`I know it's just irritating. If we can't fix it I shoulda just had someone remake it up to the point where I broke it and continue from there.`
`05:56.28`	`JademusSreg`	`I'd sooner strip out everything until I determine the issue.`
`05:56.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Because the more it resists, the more interesting it becomes.`
`05:57.09`	`Eagles_`	`How do I assign a unit to an actor, or an actor to several units?`
`05:58.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Eag, clarify your intent of design. You want to use a generic base for items, yeah?`
`05:58.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Like wc3's treasure chests.`
`05:59.00`	`Eagles_`	`yes`
`05:59.18`	`Reaperguyver`	`Lol maybe to you. I don't really know how I did half the crap I did so redoing it would be kind of an issue.`
`06:00.32`	`JademusSreg`	`And now Player 13 is Dark Grey. Suppose it makes sense player 0 pushing it up a spot.`
`06:01.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Eag, sharing actors isn't a good idea unless morphing is involved.`
`06:01.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Er, for units, that is.`
`06:01.14`	`Eagles_`	`darn ok`
`06:01.15`	`JademusSreg`	`But I can assist in simplifying things.`
`06:02.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Reap, did you know all the player slots 1 - 10 no longer have Teams?`
`06:02.12`	`Reaperguyver`	`That's fine`
`06:02.16`	`Reaperguyver`	`I think?`
`06:02.25`	`Reaperguyver`	`I had it working so people could switch teams...`
`06:02.26`	`JademusSreg`	`And 11 is the computer? But 13 is the computer in the properties?`
`06:02.34`	`Reaperguyver`	`wait wtf really?`
`06:02.37`	`Reaperguyver`	`I didn't even...`
`06:02.48`	`Reaperguyver`	`I think an AI took over my map and it's laughing at me.`
`06:02.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Ought to write down what you're changing step by step, haha.`
`06:03.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Eag, have I taken the time to explain parents to ya?`
`06:04.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Reap, this is a tug map, yeah?`
`06:04.15`	`Reaperguyver`	`yeah`
`06:04.36`	`JademusSreg`	`And you're pretty new to the editor, yeah?`
`06:05.12`	`Reaperguyver`	`Yeah.`
`06:05.26`	`Reaperguyver`	`I did some stuff in Warcraft 3 but this is more complicated... lol`
`06:05.30`	`Eagles_`	`no jademus, I hope not or I'm going senile :P`
`06:05.49`	`Reaperguyver`	`I think he ment me lol`
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`06:06.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Eag, notice how some entries have tokens? Like unit actors have unitName? And action actors may have some effect tokens?`
`06:08.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Reap, I'm not saying you should stop working on this map, but I think you could, perhaps, take more time to learn at a more casual pace, rather than rush to complete in the worst way shit you grow to resent. The best way to learn is to start with shit that interests you, and -play- with it, rather than get crushed under the rapidly expanding mass of expectations.`
`06:10.53`	`Reaperguyver`	`It's not that I'm really trying to rush or getting mad at the map it's just when it breaks like this and I can't understand why (plus the blank error basically telling em to go f-ck myself.) I get irritated. The thing is that nothing interests me in particular I just kinda wanted to remake a map from wc3 and improve upon it.`
`06:12.54`	`JademusSreg`	`A fine idea, absolutely. But big projects are what one works toward, when one has the experience and confidence, otherwise you do yourself and the project a diservice.`
`06:13.09`	`Eagles_`	`Can't find any of those Jademus, do you have an example?`
`06:13.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Er, yes, one moment, Eag. Gonna tell a little story about modding SC2 during beta.`
`06:14.04`	`Reaperguyver`	`Yeah I know that feeling I say that all the time lol >.< I could try to get a map team together but it doesn't seem like that people don't have much interest in making maps for sc2...`
`06:15.15`	`JademusSreg`	`When SC2 went into beta, it offered only multiplayer and the maps, no editor and certainly no documentation. Just the client, its mods, the melee maps. And the modding began immediately.`
`06:17.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Everything was datamined, there were no GUI triggers to help, no interface for dealing with data, so it was all galaxy script and xml data in modified melee maps, distributed manually and run manually with command line arguments to the client.`
`06:17.46`	`JademusSreg`	`(Until someone made a tool to simplify the map loading a bit.)`
`06:19.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Basically, everyone started knowing Jack and Shit, and learned how shit worked by playing with it, tinkering, testing it. You see <?token id="unitName" type="CUnitLink" value="Bogus" ?> in the xml, and you wonder what the fuck that could mean.`
`06:21.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Once the Learn ability class was discovered, the race was on to replicate WC3-style heroes with levelable skills and such. The Chinese beat us to it by a small margin, sadly.`
`06:22.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`I bitch slapped the chinese and knocked them back, so murica won anyways`
`06:22.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`true story`
`06:22.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, by taking the time to play with the script and data, exploring and pushing limits to figure out what could be done with the rawest, most basic elements, we were better prepared when the editor was finally released, we could make stuff, and it took so much less time than fucking around with text and hoping it didn't throw an error in game.`
`06:23.12`	`Reaperguyver`	`Asians are better at programming though so it was an unfair race.`
`06:23.46`	`Reaperguyver`	`Yeah.`
`06:24.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Instead of struggling to achieve your objectives, if you just let your curiosity guide you, mess with shit until you understand it, you'll save yourself a metric fucktonne of time when it comes to apply that information and actually make shit.`
`06:25.18`	`Reaperguyver`	`It's not that the map is terrible it seems to be. It works for the most part I have not been able to have a proper test yet though.`
`06:25.35`	`Reaperguyver`	`True though with me I tend to go with if I don't know what it is don't touch it.`
`06:27.55`	`JademusSreg`	`I recall a quip by Dorothy Parker. "You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her drink."`
`06:29.41`	`Reaperguyver`	`So should I try to get some people to help with this? Or should I just kinda try to get most of it done and touch it up after?`
`06:32.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, teams are effective with experienced people, at least thorough proficiency in an area or two.`
`06:33.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Better to learn now, or learn through working on the project.`
`06:33.14`	`Reaperguyver`	`Alright. Cool.`
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`06:37.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Eag, parents.`
`06:37.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Are a thing I should explain.`
`06:37.31`	`JademusSreg`	`When two data entries love one another very much...`
`06:40.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`JADEMUS DONT TEACH HIM THAT HOMOSEXUAL CRAP... when a data loves a trigger very much, they have a baby ability.`
`06:42.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`06:43.43`	`Reaperguyver`	`lawls.`
`06:44.09`	`Reaperguyver`	`So should I just post a new team or should I try to hunt people down?`
`06:49.08`	`Reaperguyver`	`...`
`06:49.16`	`Reaperguyver`	`wasn't sure if I was disconnected or not lol`
`06:50.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Teams are only useful if the people in them are proficient and can work as a team. No one wants to carry, and no one with dignity wants to be carried.`
`06:51.08`	`Eagles_`	`But you're carrying everyone here Jademus :P`
`06:51.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahaha`
`06:52.36`	`Reaperguyver`	`It's my bad idea so you can carry me all you want.`
`06:52.47`	`JademusSreg`	`So I'd wager it's too early to seek a team, not until you have data, triggering, cutscenes, sound or modeling at a standard level of proficiency. At least one of those makes a person useful.`
`06:52.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`06:53.40`	`Reaperguyver`	`lawls I'm screwed`
`06:54.04`	`Reaperguyver`	`We never did figure out wtf was wrong with my map lol`
`06:54.44`	`Eagles_`	`Is it alot of data work in your map?`
`06:54.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, half of it is user error, the other half is currently unknown.`
`06:55.03`	`Reaperguyver`	`^`
`06:55.11`	`Reaperguyver`	`Enough that I don't want to do it agian for a 4th time.`
`06:55.17`	`JademusSreg`	`And there is a ton of duped data.`
`06:55.41`	`Reaperguyver`	`I did it once then I had to redo it to make it look and sound right then I had to redo it due to a change in the basic idea for each race.`
`06:55.56`	`Reaperguyver`	`First attempt left over slol`
`06:56.11`	`Reaperguyver`	`I think.`
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`06:57.10`	`JademusSreg`	`588 KB of actor data. 325 KB of unit data. 2.51 MB of trigger data.`
`06:57.28`	`JademusSreg`	`(All pre-compression)`
`06:58.16`	`Reaperguyver`	`Lol sounds like my map. Too many triggers....`
`06:58.27`	`JademusSreg`	`For reference, that 2.51 MB of trigger XML data results in a mapscript of 197 KB.`
`06:58.33`	`Eagles_`	`isn't it possible to copy data from map to map? I know it's possible with Triggers and Terrain`
`06:58.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`06:59.02`	`JademusSreg`	`The whole thing, piece by piece, any piece, it's doable.`
`06:59.20`	`Reaperguyver`	`True but I'm considering just redoing everything fresh I think something got corrupted when i converted wol to hots.`
`06:59.37`	`JademusSreg`	`But if I allocate any more time to thing tonight, I won't finish anything, so I'll set it aside for another day.`
`07:01.08`	`Eagles_`	`Object Values - Unit takes exactly 1 minute to open LOL`
`07:01.16`	`Reaperguyver`	`lol that's fine.`
`07:01.59`	`Eagles_`	`that's alot of extra minutes for making 30 items with behaviors`
`07:02.10`	`Eagles_`	`a.k.a 30 extra minutes :P`
`07:02.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`Jademus thats a fib, there is a way to copy ALL data.`
`07:03.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`but only to a blank map, Merging would be... difficult to say the least`
`07:03.22`	`Taintedwisp`	`Components list :)`
`07:04.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`07:04.45`	`JademusSreg`	`That is precisely what I meant, Taint.`
`07:05.22`	`Taintedwisp`	`ah i misread then`
`07:05.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`07:05.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`I thought you were copying GUI data :))`
`07:05.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Delete the attributes and player stuff, just entirely. And see if that helps, haha.`
`07:05.50`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
`07:05.52`	`Eagles_`	`That's what I would have done, what is this components list?`
`07:06.00`	`Taintedwisp`	`ONE OF THESE DAYS JADEMUS I WILL KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THIS EDITOR YOU DONT!!!`
`07:06.12`	`Reaperguyver`	`Nope.`
`07:06.24`	`Reaperguyver`	`Unless you fix my map right now without looking at it lol`
`07:06.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`but my map isnt broken?`
`07:06.39`	`JademusSreg`	`And delete the minimap too.`
`07:06.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`:)`
`07:06.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`I can do that, but i wont`
`07:06.57`	`JademusSreg`	`It's enormous and there's no good reason for it to be.`
`07:06.59`	`JademusSreg`	`brb++`
`07:07.08`	`Taintedwisp`	`i like the mini map :(`
`07:07.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`I guess I am one of the few who like the Default UI :/`
`07:07.27`	`Eagles_`	`Taintedwisp, you can't just like the minimap like that..`
`07:07.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`sure I can`
`07:07.42`	`Reaperguyver`	`I like the default UI lol`
`07:08.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`:) and from my extensive research(asking 200+ people over battle.net), I have that about 95% of arcade players prefer the standard ui compared to a custom one`
`07:08.43`	`Taintedwisp`	`people buy starcraft to play starcraft, who knew?`
`07:08.45`	`Eagles_`	`how many prefer WC3 UI over SC2?`
`07:08.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`its pretty much the same, in game anyways`
`07:09.08`	`Eagles_`	`I mean the gfx`
`07:09.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`ehh, I will agree on that, BESIDES the terran one, the other 2 suck`
`07:09.56`	`Taintedwisp`	`They didnt try at all`
`07:10.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`why is there a stretched overlord on the zerg one -_-`
`07:10.19`	`Reaperguyver`	`lol`
`07:10.22`	`Reaperguyver`	`I didn't notice it`
`07:11.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`yeah its right under the ping`
`07:11.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`Its just a stretched overlord thats only there to take up space.`
`07:11.34`	`Eagles_`	`imo galaxy editor is so powerful they shouldn't even make a new engine for wc3, they should just make wc4 in galaxy`
`07:11.45`	`Eagles_`	`wc4*`
`07:11.52`	`Reaperguyver`	`Are they making wc4?`
`07:12.00`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/065/9/d/starcraft_2__zerg_units_by_faterofweapons7-d3b2045.jpg`
`07:12.10`	`Eagles_`	`in some time, undoubtedly? :P`
`07:12.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`They already stated they would eagles`
`07:12.33`	`Taintedwisp`	`Accidentally let it slip in 2009 that warcraft 4 would use the same engine.`
`07:12.38`	`Eagles_`	`oh? cool`
`07:12.41`	`Reaperguyver`	`oh I suppose so....`
`07:13.06`	`Reaperguyver`	`That's... a shame.`
`07:13.22`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`07:13.25`	`Reaperguyver`	`There's really not much left in the lore for them to mdo...`
`07:13.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yeah they half assed a few small things like that`
`07:13.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`For warcraft there is plenty in the lore`
`07:13.52`	`Reaperguyver`	`Not really.`
`07:13.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`I would rather they just remake warcraft 1 + 2, call it, Warcraft:Wars of the ages or something`
`07:14.22`	`Taintedwisp`	`I would love to see an up to date warcraft 2 and 1 with heroes and everything expand the broad lore of those 2 games`
`07:14.26`	`Eagles_`	`I'd rather YOU just convert the assets of all the old Blizzard games and make SC2 maps for them Taintedwisp!`
`07:14.34`	`Taintedwisp`	`nah I'm good`
`07:14.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Funny you should mention that.`
`07:14.37`	`Reaperguyver`	`Deathwing is Dead Arthas is Dead the old gods are kinda taken care of. Kiljeaden is dead... I think. Malfurion is back. Illidan is Dead. Kael'thas is Dead...`
`07:14.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`reaper WoW doesnt change shit lore wise`
`07:14.56`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`07:15.08`	`JademusSreg`	`00EDBE14 Mods/War3.SC2Mod`
`07:15.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`they can pretty much just erase all of that with 1 sentence`
`07:15.09`	`Reaperguyver`	`lol >.>`
`07:15.13`	`Reaperguyver`	`I hated wow kinda of = /`
`07:15.24`	`Reaperguyver`	`I hope they do.`
`07:15.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`:Many years has passed and many young aventurers have come to fight without avail"`
`07:15.50`	`Reaperguyver`	`end of warcraft = "And then you woke up."`
`07:15.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yeha I saw that jademusSreg I wonder what thats for :), 99% chance its BLizzardAllstars related scraps`
`07:16.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Nope.`
`07:16.00`	`Taintedwisp`	`though why is it called war3? thats strange`
`07:16.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Only appears in the two most recent client memory strings.`
`07:16.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`hmmm`
`07:16.34`	`Taintedwisp`	`WAIT`
`07:17.08`	`Taintedwisp`	`I was talking with vinidicator, who said that blizz had something big coming out for mappers soon, is what he was told by an executive at blizzard, maybe this is it?`
`07:17.25`	`Taintedwisp`	`'a total conversion mod for warcraft 3.`
`07:17.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds probable.`
`07:17.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Pfft.`
`07:17.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Assets, you ninny.`
`07:17.43`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`07:17.51`	`Reaperguyver`	`Assets?`
`07:18.08`	`Taintedwisp`	`JademusSreg, you ever read this? http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1c593p/blizzard_and_the_custom_community/\`
`07:18.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`07:18.12`	`Reaperguyver`	`I don't know what's going on anymore lol`
`07:18.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Why would I read reddit?`
`07:18.56`	`Taintedwisp`	`its about mapping`
`07:18.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`07:19.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hire 2-3 people or move 2-3 people. whos job is to answer editor questions. some cool community people are, JademusSreg, Taintedwisp, Dogmai, Bounty, and Zolden would be awesome to hire them to officially give advice to anyone who needs it on the battle.net forums.`
`07:19.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`07:20.09`	`JademusSreg`	`I get a shoutout, neato.`
`07:20.20`	`Eagles_`	`Why isn't my Item Unit getting my actor with Unit Name linked to my Item UNit?`
`07:20.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`07:20.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Eag, reset the actor events to default.`
`07:21.00`	`Eagles_`	`oh wait, I had the wrong unit name set, fail. yay!`
`07:21.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Right click, Reset to blah blah.`
`07:21.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, that's possible, yeah.`
`07:21.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`07:21.13`	`Eagles_`	`xD`
`07:21.35`	`Eagles_`	`I think I've accepted my fate to just create new actors for every item Jademus, it'll do`
`07:21.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, yeah, that's preferable to the alternative.`
`07:22.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`Eagles do like I do, HIt create new, Select your types and all, then click copy from if you want to base it off of another`
`07:22.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Which is to add actor events to the same actor.`
`07:22.32`	`Eagles_`	`I usually Duplicate but I'll try that next time Taintedwisp`
`07:22.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`duplicate fucks up more.`
`07:23.08`	`Taintedwisp`	`Copyfrom, USUALLY fixes all the events and changes them to the correct new actor`
`07:24.11`	`Reaperguyver`	`I'm wondering if I should just finish my map then pay someone a few bucks to touch it up and fix it lol.`
`07:25.31`	`Eagles_`	`You should stop stressing about it, continue editing your map and hope Blizzard fixes your bug :)`
`07:25.34`	`Taintedwisp`	`:/`
`07:25.40`	`Reaperguyver`	`^`
`07:25.43`	`Taintedwisp`	`whats your bug?`
`07:25.43`	`Reaperguyver`	`Lol`
`07:25.57`	`Reaperguyver`	`! Errror Okay`
`07:25.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Did you delete all the shit I mentioned and save the map?`
`07:26.25`	`Reaperguyver`	`Wait what did you tell me to delete? Did I Miss that?`
`07:26.41`	`Reaperguyver`	`lol blank error at the lobby load`
`07:26.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Actually, you probably can't.`
`07:26.56`	`JademusSreg`	`I'll do it and send you the map.`
`07:27.53`	`Eagles_`	`I have an item which increases damage unscaled, but If I have two of the same item in my inventory it doesn't increase double, did I miss some flag or something for that?`
`07:28.15`	`Reaperguyver`	`We can do it tom. I know you said you didn't really want to spend any more time on it otnight...`
`07:28.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Er.`
`07:28.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, this takes a minute, tops.`
`07:29.34`	`Reaperguyver`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/echoes-war/files/6-echoes-of-war/`
`07:30.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, we'll do it from the copy I have here. =D`
`07:30.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Because I'm deleting stuff.`
`07:30.49`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm confident at least one of them is the source of the problem.`
`07:35.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Now don't be alarmed. =D`
`07:36.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Just upload and test.`
`07:36.08`	`JademusSreg`	`https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Echoes%20of%20War.SC2Map`
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`07:39.37`	`Reaperguyver`	`I'll try that now.`
`07:40.54`	`Reaperguyver`	`I can't publish it.`
`07:40.55`	`Reaperguyver`	`Unable to generate preview image (Core: invalid or unexpected parameter)`
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`07:41.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`07:42.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Where did that occur?`
`07:42.25`	`Reaperguyver`	`When I tried to publish it when I clicked okay`
`07:42.41`	`Reaperguyver`	`eerr`
`07:42.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Did it publish or fail?`
`07:42.49`	`Reaperguyver`	`next when i was picking minor private stuff like that`
`07:42.56`	`Reaperguyver`	`Couldn't publish lol`
`07:42.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Interesting.`
`07:43.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Invalid parameter.`
`07:43.08`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`07:43.12`	`Reaperguyver`	`I think my map came from the short bus`
`07:43.15`	`JademusSreg`	`I may know how to fix that.`
`07:43.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`YOU FAIL JADEMUS!!!!`
`07:43.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Not at all.`
`07:43.22`	`Reaperguyver`	`now now`
`07:43.26`	`Taintedwisp`	`:(`
`07:43.28`	`JademusSreg`	`It informed me of yet another bug.`
`07:43.30`	`Reaperguyver`	`he's trying and spending his time I appreciate it`
`07:43.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`but I wanted to be the bestest`
`07:43.33`	`Taintedwisp`	`:))`
`07:43.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha i know, jademus is awesome`
`07:43.56`	`JademusSreg`	`See, I saved the map before I sent it.`
`07:44.00`	`Reaperguyver`	`The fact is if he can't fix it it's broken beyond repair lol`
`07:44.11`	`JademusSreg`	`And yet it failed to generate a minimap? That's fascinating.`
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`07:47.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahaha`
`07:47.35`	`JademusSreg`	`This is hilarious.`
`07:47.39`	`Reaperguyver`	`oh god`
`07:47.42`	`Reaperguyver`	`what tab did you open now?`
`07:47.50`	`JademusSreg`	`What texture set did you choose?`
`07:47.57`	`Reaperguyver`	`I'm Sorry`
`07:48.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Braxis?`
`07:50.13`	`JademusSreg`	`I've set the terrain set back to Braxis; one of my deletions cleared the texture set data, which defaulted to Story Mode, which didn't have valid light data, so the minimap generated as black. =D`
`07:50.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, saved.`
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`07:51.00`	`JademusSreg`	`https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Echoes%20of%20War.SC2Map`
`07:51.02`	`Reaperguyver_`	`Computer Crashed. No Idea I had someone else to the terrain for me.`
`07:51.57`	`JademusSreg`	`[03:50:30] <JademusSreg> I've set the terrain set back to Braxis; one of my deletions cleared the texture set data, which defaulted to Story Mode, which didn't have valid light data, so the minimap generated as black. =D`
`07:52.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds like you need a new computer.`
`07:52.47`	`Reaperguyver_`	`okay`
`07:52.52`	`Reaperguyver_`	`published.`
`07:52.53`	`Reaperguyver_`	`checking now`
`07:53.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`:)`
`07:53.43`	`Taintedwisp`	`ONE DAY JADEMUS ONE DAY!!!!`
`07:53.45`	`Reaperguyver_`	`Same error`
`07:53.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`I WILL KNOW A SINGLE THING YOU DONT!!!!`
`07:53.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`:))`
`07:54.09`	`JademusSreg`	`No problem. I'll just delete more stuff until it works.`
`07:54.16`	`Reaperguyver_`	`oh god... lol`
`07:54.49`	`JademusSreg`	`wonders if it will open without a document header.`
`07:55.20`	`JademusSreg`	`You mean it failed yo upload or failed in the lobby?`
`07:55.23`	`JademusSreg`	`*to`
`07:55.39`	`Reaperguyver_`	`failed in lobby`
`07:55.45`	`Reaperguyver_`	`well failed to lobby`
`07:55.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Excellent.`
`07:56.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Means the other shit I deleted wasn't the issue.`
`07:56.17`	`JademusSreg`	`So I don't need to delete it again.`
`07:56.25`	`Reaperguyver_`	`yay!`
`07:56.30`	`Reaperguyver_`	`regions are coming back`
`07:56.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Double-plus, that means less you have to delete.`
`07:57.07`	`Reaperguyver_`	`true`
`08:00.48`	`Reaperguyver_`	`test`
`08:01.00`	`JademusSreg`	`That leaves document header, document info, localized strings, data, and terrain.`
`08:01.59`	`Reaperguyver_`	`I'm betting on document stuff`
`08:02.18`	`JademusSreg`	`first deletes the ArcadeLobbyBlahblah flag.`
`08:03.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Btw, I enjoyed Castle Fight. It was shitty, but entertaining.`
`08:03.34`	`Reaperguyver_`	`O.o`
`08:03.36`	`Reaperguyver_`	`Same here`
`08:03.41`	`Reaperguyver_`	`got a bit long at times and a bit laggy`
`08:03.49`	`Reaperguyver_`	`but imo it was better than the tub's out now`
`08:04.00`	`Reaperguyver_`	`You can't use the basic starcraft units they were not balanced for that`
`08:04.08`	`Reaperguyver_`	`*tug's`
`08:09.57`	`Reaperguyver_`	`test....`
`08:10.02`	`Reaperguyver_`	`okay cool still here lol`
`08:10.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`08:10.43`	`Reaperguyver_`	`Sometimes the chat drops me without warning.`
`08:10.45`	`Reaperguyver_`	`lol`
`08:10.51`	`Reaperguyver_`	`so I type just to make sure.`
`08:13.17`	`JademusSreg`	`https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Echoes%20of%20War.SC2Map`
`08:15.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Act with brutal celerity and slay with haste the test.`
`08:15.11`	`Reaperguyver_`	`Still crash loading lobby.`
`08:15.18`	`JademusSreg`	`*error`
`08:16.19`	`Reaperguyver_`	`This map is going to drive me to drink lol`
`08:16.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Are you entirely certain you're uploading the correct files?`
`08:16.52`	`Reaperguyver_`	`should be. i close the map editor tell it to load your map save it under a seperate name and try to publish it.`
`08:17.16`	`JademusSreg`	`But you're downloading them, right?`
`08:17.29`	`Reaperguyver_`	`Yes.`
`08:17.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Which means they'd all end up in a download folder; how many are in there?`
`08:18.01`	`Reaperguyver_`	`3`
`08:19.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, I'll test this myself tomorrow. Will publish privately.`
`08:20.14`	`Reaperguyver_`	`good luck.`
`08:20.19`	`Reaperguyver_`	`I agree bed time for me.`
`08:20.24`	`Reaperguyver_`	`I appreciate your help again.`
`08:20.29`	`JademusSreg`	`No problem.`
`08:20.39`	`Reaperguyver_`	`Sorry in advance for hwo ugly it looks`
`08:20.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, I've deleted almost everything; I'll actually needa fresh copy.`
`08:21.08`	`Reaperguyver_`	`Lol okay.`
`08:21.14`	`Reaperguyver_`	`I'll post one tom. when I wake up.`
`08:21.34`	`Reaperguyver_`	`I'll talk to you all later guys. Good night.`
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`08:55.13`	`Kubi`	`JademusSreg`
`08:55.15`	`Kubi`	`I took your advance`
`08:55.17`	`Kubi`	`advice`
`08:55.20`	`Kubi`	`got rid of all auras`
`08:55.26`	`Kubi`	`I made them castable buffs`
`08:55.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Niiice.`
`08:55.32`	`Kubi`	`also`
`08:55.33`	`Kubi`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/psi-slash-contest-entry/`
`08:55.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Working on the ultimate.`
`08:55.35`	`Kubi`	`err`
`08:55.42`	`Kubi`	`http://imgur.com/r3d8gAP`
`08:55.50`	`Kubi`	`lol i talked to ZF maker today`
`08:56.40`	`Kubi`	`he was so hostile`
`08:57.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Never heard of them. Also, yes, haha.`
`08:58.12`	`JademusSreg`	`thinks Captain Zealotron would make a nice addition to the hero line-up.`
`08:58.24`	`Kubi`	`He's spells were a copied from sc2mapster, not really a big dael but it was funny how he denies it and say nooo.`
`08:58.33`	`Kubi`	`I would be like "ya, they're free and public use so what"`
`08:58.57`	`Kubi`	`lol hes ultimates are yagdera`
`08:59.03`	`Kubi`	`just place and plot`
`08:59.12`	`JademusSreg`	`You remember Captain Zealotron, yes?`
`08:59.36`	`Kubi`	`Who?`
`08:59.40`	`JademusSreg`	`https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Images/Captain%20Zealotron%20-%20Supply%20Blocked.jpg`
`08:59.44`	`Kubi`	`but ifgot more heroes to add`
`08:59.45`	`Kubi`	`ill do it`
`08:59.48`	`Kubi`	`I need more stock heroes`
`09:00.07`	`Kubi`	`make that his portrait and add to zealot`
`09:00.09`	`Kubi`	`make some abilities`
`09:00.11`	`Kubi`	`ill add it`
`09:00.15`	`Kubi`	`Name him Captain Zealotron`
`09:00.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Hell, I'll even do the derpy voice work for him.`
`09:00.54`	`Kubi`	`http://www.twitch.tv/cheddarterran/c/2099665`
`09:00.58`	`Kubi`	`heres him streaming his work`
`09:01.10`	`Kubi`	`dude i was thinking if you get kill combos`
`09:01.14`	`Kubi`	`I have these hilarious VOs`
`09:01.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Always willing to lend a hand to help my favorite asshole shut down an arrogant tool.`
`09:02.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, no way I'm watching that stream.`
`09:03.27`	`Kubi`	`https://soundcloud.com/your_text_spoken/michael-bay`
`09:03.28`	`Kubi`	`lol`
`09:03.56`	`Kubi`	`Dude was an absolute prick when I said I was making a frenzy type map`
`09:05.49`	`JademusSreg`	`On a related note, I've been considering different ways to deploy the infested terrans. Popping up from the ground is amateur. I'm thinking an infested dropship or infested command center (SC1 reference, yeah baby) swopping down and deploying them.`
`09:06.00`	`JademusSreg`	`*swooping`
`09:06.06`	`Kubi`	`ohh hell yeah`
`09:06.18`	`twodie`	`nice idea Jad`
`09:06.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Which sounds more pleasing?`
`09:06.29`	`twodie`	`that really would look more epic`
`09:06.34`	`Kubi`	`I made changed his aura to the same effect but he shoots out a bunch of neural parasites at our own units and it has the attachment and VO additions too`
`09:06.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Nice.`
`09:06.53`	`Kubi`	`Ifested Command center`
`09:06.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Fuck yeah.`
`09:06.59`	`Kubi`	`but it would have a bit smaller`
`09:07.03`	`Kubi`	`not full scale`
`09:07.07`	`twodie`	`barracks then`
`09:07.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Awww.`
`09:07.12`	`twodie`	`falling barracks`
`09:07.15`	`Kubi`	`I am talking like .7`
`09:07.26`	`Kubi`	`it will be used as cover on the battlefield`
`09:07.44`	`Kubi`	`The funniest`
`09:07.45`	`Kubi`	`part`
`09:07.48`	`Kubi`	`on that whole stream`
`09:08.00`	`twodie`	`that it just sad`
`09:08.00`	`Kubi`	`hes like bro can you make 6 levels of farseer chain lightning`
`09:08.01`	`Kubi`	`I was like`
`09:08.01`	`Kubi`	`bro`
`09:08.05`	`Kubi`	`swtiches`
`09:08.08`	`Kubi`	`ever heard of them`
`09:08.53`	`Kubi`	`mm i should stream some of my work`
`09:08.59`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm thinking either it could be controllable, and allow the player to land/lift for the duration, or it would follow Stukov and not be controllable. The not controllable and not mobile is also an option.`
`09:09.13`	`Kubi`	`would it drop from the fortress when its flying`
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`09:09.19`	`Kubi`	`lol its leaking infested`
`09:09.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, easy.`
`09:09.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Hell, drop creep too, why not.`
`09:10.01`	`Kubi`	`oh yea`
`09:10.29`	`Kubi`	`I got cash awards, and a video card to hand out for this map`
`09:11.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, given the regen aura, I think the vampiric thing I had planned would be too much. Too many beams and stuff all over and too much regen spec with your regen aura.`
`09:11.55`	`Kubi`	`i dont have a regen aura`
`09:11.56`	`Kubi`	`I got rid of it`
`09:11.59`	`Kubi`	`its a castable buff`
`09:12.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Right, I mean "aura". Pardon the shorthand.`
`09:12.16`	`Kubi`	`kk`
`09:12.27`	`Kubi`	`They could get stronger as they kill things?`
`09:12.32`	`Kubi`	`like 10% increase?`
`09:12.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Good idea. Gain max life for damage dealt?`
`09:13.10`	`JademusSreg`	`That would be pretty sweet. Or shields.`
`09:13.20`	`JademusSreg`	`"Shell", as it's called for the zerg.`
`09:13.28`	`Kubi`	`yes`
`09:13.44`	`Kubi`	`They would have relatively small hp but good hard hitting damage and slow`
`09:13.47`	`JademusSreg`	`I simply give them a large max shields, no regen, leech life for shields, bam.`
`09:14.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, I've got them using tentacles for their attack.`
`09:15.04`	`JademusSreg`	`I figured it would look more badass for them to hold out their hands or something and strike with a fast, licker-like tentacle.`
`09:15.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Or like those assholes in D3's Act 3.`
`09:16.03`	`Kubi`	`lol`
`09:16.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Or hell, could do it from the head...`
`09:16.08`	`Kubi`	`that one that kill my hardcore character`
`09:16.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahaha`
`09:16.32`	`JademusSreg`	`I called them Ravenous Legion.`
`09:17.46`	`Kubi`	`damn yeah`
`09:19.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, in callback to SC1 again, explode on death sound good?`
`09:20.18`	`JademusSreg`	`I mean, this is an ultimate, may as well make them badass.`
`09:21.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm.`
`09:21.58`	`Kubi`	`mmm`
`09:22.04`	`Kubi`	`thats of damage being dealt`
`09:22.13`	`Kubi`	`it would be a low amount`
`09:22.15`	`Kubi`	`like 5`
`09:22.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, currently they deal 4+4vsLight`
`09:23.11`	`Saeris`	`sorry i'm late to this discussion, what game are you guys brainstorming on?`
`09:23.30`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm just working on a contribution to Kubi's ZF.`
`09:24.27`	`Saeris`	`gotcha`
`09:27.15`	`InAugenhoehlen`	`ZFC`
`09:30.08`	`JademusSreg`	`So Stukov is all rawr, does his spell cast animation as a column of psi energy surges into the sky. An uncommandable infested command center (or some such) swoops down from orbit and follows Stukov, dropping great gobs of creep and special infested terrans called Ravenous Legion, until it times out and returns to orbit. Meanwhile, the Ravenous Legion are fast, frail, strike with tentacles,`
`09:30.08`	`JademusSreg`	`gain shields (call Shell for zerg) for damage dealt, and explode on death. Sounds about right Kubi?`
`09:30.40`	`Kubi`	`sounds fucking hot`
`09:30.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Goot.`
`09:30.56`	`Kubi`	`KAF`
`09:31.00`	`Kubi`	`its the shorthand`
`09:31.03`	`Kubi`	`Kubi's Arena Frenzy`
`09:31.04`	`Kubi`	`:P`
`09:31.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`09:31.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Although.`
`09:31.19`	`Kubi`	`I didn't want to use zealot frenzy`
`09:31.22`	`Kubi`	`or footman frenzy`
`09:31.31`	`JademusSreg`	`I think we can do better.`
`09:31.35`	`Kubi`	`for a name?`
`09:31.48`	`JademusSreg`	`The acronym needs to be comical.`
`09:31.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Makes it more memorable.`
`09:32.44`	`Kubi`	`KAF is funny`
`09:32.51`	`Kubi`	`EVER PLAYED THAT KAFFERS MAP`
`09:33.05`	`Kubi`	`or Kaffir`
`09:33.15`	`Kubi`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaffir_(racial_term)`
`09:33.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Now FUK or FOK or FAK, that's solid.`
`09:33.40`	`Kubi`	`mmm`
`09:33.46`	`Kubi`	`Frenzy Ultimate Killzone`
`09:33.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Pretty goot.`
`09:34.05`	`Kubi`	`Wait`
`09:34.09`	`Kubi`	`Frenzy Arena Killzone`
`09:34.12`	`Kubi`	`FAK`
`09:35.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, sounds funny and words as almost-obscene.`
`09:35.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Two birds, one cup.`
`09:35.51`	`Kubi`	`Frenzy Arena: Killzone`
`09:36.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Players would be refered to as Fakkers. Niiice.`
`09:37.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, if anyone is gonna be doing some fakking, I'd better get back to this entertaining ultimate.`
`09:38.49`	`Kubi`	`my map has to be better in everyway to incinerates`
`09:39.18`	`Kubi`	`ill be adding skin support for beta testers, contributors, and tournament winners`
`09:39.25`	`Kubi`	`something for poeple to work for`
`09:39.27`	`Kubi`	`and leaderboard`
`09:40.17`	`JademusSreg`	`One question.`
`09:40.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Who is incinerates?`
`09:42.38`	`JademusSreg`	`I'd offer to implement TrueSkill, but for whatever reason everyone want Elo, despite its supreme bullshittitude.`
`09:42.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Or hell, implement both, why the fuck not.`
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`09:46.56`	`twodie`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/51368-custom-gathering-abilities-chain/`
`09:51.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Actually, Twod, instead of hijacking Summoned, you can just use a validator.`
`09:51.32`	`twodie`	`well that will be inthe feature if required`
`09:51.46`	`twodie`	`for now i need more important things to deal with`
`09:52.31`	`JademusSreg`	`I may have a few ideas.`
`09:52.52`	`twodie`	`im looking for them!`
`09:52.54`	`JademusSreg`	`For one, what happens if you remove the Worker flag from the unit?`
`09:53.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Does it prevent the unit stacking?`
`09:53.29`	`twodie`	`not much i guess,`
`09:53.57`	`JademusSreg`	`There's no ambiguity here: test it. =D`
`09:54.07`	`twodie`	`doing that lreadyd`
`09:54.10`	`JademusSreg`	`kk`
`09:54.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Next, you can use a Force effect to prevent units from stacking but only up to a point.`
`09:55.01`	`twodie`	`Well they stack anyways`
`09:55.09`	`twodie`	`with original Harvest ability`
`09:55.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Good to know.`
`09:56.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Interesting.`
`09:56.38`	`JademusSreg`	`I see some interesting Mover flags.`
`09:57.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Near Resources and Resource Drop Off.`
`09:58.05`	`twodie`	`its like buildings footrpints flags`
`09:58.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah.`
`10:01.22`	`JademusSreg`	`iirc, Brutalisk could push units...`
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`10:02.50`	`Kubi`	`Jademus, incinerate made ZF`
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`10:06.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, that's why I've never heard of him.`
`10:07.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Hey Twod, can I see your xml data for everything related to the worker?`
`10:08.06`	`Zolden`	`"twod" sounds funny`
`10:09.57`	`twodie`	`JademesSreg what?`
`10:10.09`	`twodie`	`you want to see default worker ability?`
`10:10.26`	`Eagles_`	`How can I make my Shop sell for example +1 Strength to my hero (Tomes from WC3)? I tried adding an effect (instead of Unit) to my Shop Buy Ability's "Ability Info" but that didn't work very well (gave the strength ability to the item itself :D)`
`10:10.28`	`JademusSreg`	`I want the unit data, and everything it uses.`
`10:10.30`	`twodie`	`Or you miss understood the topic?`
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`10:11.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Eag, I've not worked with items, so it's beyond my knowledge.`
`10:11.56`	`Eagles_`	`ok`
`10:12.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Twod, I only ask to see if I can find solutions.`
`10:12.38`	`twodie`	`to what? maybe you write down what you think i have problem with`
`10:13.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Snakes. And their being on the plane. Their presence has historically proved problematic.`
`10:17.01`	`twodie`	`derp`
`10:35.04`	`Kubi`	`Eagles,`
`10:35.15`	`Kubi`	`Add a 1 consumable item that changes attribute 1`
`10:35.22`	`Kubi`	`make sure it has one charge`
`10:35.49`	`Kubi`	`and find your attribute that changes strength`
`10:35.50`	`twodie`	`ok why after period effects the expire effect doesnt trigger? only Final`
`10:38.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds like it's being interrupted, if it's destroyed or is channeled.`
`10:39.10`	`twodie`	`channeled`
`10:39.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Final effect is triggered by any ending, Expire is triggered when its duration is complete.`
`10:40.07`	`twodie`	`http://snag.gy/qoJ6P.jpg`
`10:40.24`	`twodie`	`here how to fix to make it run expire effect`
`10:41.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Looks right.`
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`10:43.05`	`twodie`	`but it deosnt trigger it`
`10:43.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Show me ze issue order effect?`
`10:44.18`	`Eagles_`	`but Kubi I don't want the tome to be an item, I want when people buy it, its applied directly`
`10:44.35`	`Eagles_`	`So many not exactly how tomes were in WC3 (sorry for being unspecific)`
`10:44.41`	`Eagles_`	`many=maybe*`
`10:44.42`	`Kubi`	`Share shop, if unit selects the ability applies to them`
`10:44.57`	`Kubi`	`or do it via triggerf`
`10:45.21`	`twodie`	`if i set it to final it will work fine`
`10:45.21`	`twodie`	`http://snag.gy/JE1Ji.jpg`
`10:45.22`	`JademusSreg`	`This is an interact-based shop?`
`10:45.31`	`Eagles_`	`cant I just play a buff effect when the user buys an item?`
`10:45.34`	`Eagles_`	`yes`
`10:45.44`	`JademusSreg`	`And Final is valid.`
`10:45.59`	`JademusSreg`	`I mean, it makes more sense to do it in Final.`
`10:46.11`	`Eagles_`	`how do I do that you said Kubi? if unit selects ability applies to them?`
`10:46.29`	`twodie`	`but the problem is that when you try to order while worker is channelling it to move somewhere or else it will instantly return the cargo not will do the orther you made`
`10:46.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Since if the target is destroyed, you'll want the persistent to end/`
`10:47.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Er, I see the issue, yes.`
`10:48.06`	`twodie`	`sure its still possible to use but it will annoy you every time when you will try to order to build something and he will just go to return cargo`
`10:48.17`	`JademusSreg`	`I see a solution.`
`10:48.50`	`JademusSreg`	`You prefer visual diagrams, yes?`
`10:49.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Or do you prefer how I describe shit?`
`10:50.00`	`twodie`	`any will have to do`
`10:50.02`	`Zolden`	`G0A: they fell even more, when do you think the next rise happen?`
`10:50.06`	`twodie`	`if correctly given`
`10:50.09`	`JademusSreg`	`(And this would be a lot easier if you gave me the XML, but no matter.)`
`10:50.38`	`JademusSreg`	`I always give correctly. How it is received, on the other hand, one cannot be certain.`
`10:52.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Basically, channeled persistent with a periodic effect, yes, that parts obvious. However, no final or expire effect needed.`
`10:52.12`	`twodie`	`i know you like pastebin.com JademusSreg`
`10:52.12`	`twodie`	`http://pastebin.com/z0cjhJya`
`10:53.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Instead, the periodic effect will do all the work. Add to your gather gold set an effect with a validator to check the unit's stacks of the resource, and if so it issues the order.`
`10:54.18`	`twodie`	`okay`
`10:54.32`	`twodie`	`Okay?`
`10:54.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Or in other words, basically your setup, minus the expire/final, instead moving the issue order to the set after the other effects.`
`10:54.34`	`twodie`	`okay`
`10:55.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, my compliments. Clever approach. <3`
`10:55.37`	`JademusSreg`	`bbl`
`11:06.02`	`Kubi`	`HOWS IT LOOKIN`
`11:09.14`	`twodie`	`ugly`
`11:09.28`	`twodie`	`you are ugly ugly little boy :/`
`11:13.40`	`twodie`	`er32`
`11:13.40`	`twodie`	`g1`
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`11:24.21`	`Kubi`	`fixing tooltips for leveling and learning abilities`
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`11:58.39`	`Eagles_`	`How can I make my behaviors stack?`
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`12:07.44`	`twodie`	`Eagles_ Field1 - Carry Harvestable Gold Stats: Maximum Stack Count5`
`12:08.53`	`Eagles_`	`awesome, thanks`
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`12:19.54`	`G0A`	`Zolden it will have nice opportunity to buy it again:D`
`12:21.01`	`G0A`	`if its not shorted deliberately.`
`12:23.32`	`Zolden`	`i think it will rise again and higher`
`12:27.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Zoop.`
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`12:32.25`	`Zolden`	`pooz`
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`12:36.03`	`KomischOo`	`Master Jade?`
`12:37.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`12:38.02`	`KomischOo`	`i just realised i didnt understand anything yesterday :(`
`12:38.14`	`JademusSreg`	`That's quite alright.`
`12:38.28`	`KomischOo`	`not at all`
`12:38.45`	`Zolden`	`einstain had problems with understanding things too`
`12:39.46`	`KomischOo`	`but im not einstein so i doint have those problems`
`12:39.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, he thought inserting a cosmological constant would be sufficient to resolve the indeterminancy of quantum systems by permitting hidden local variables. Psh.`
`12:40.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Blunder is an understatement.`
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`12:40.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Kom, I'll brb, but post the issues.`
`12:40.48`	`KomischOo`	`would you try to explain it to me again. human like maybe? :)`
`12:40.53`	`JademusSreg`	`I'll take a look in a bit.`
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`12:42.19`	`KomischOo`	`What is an aciton definition and were can i find it?`
`12:42.39`	`A1win`	`you can create one the same way you create a new trigger`
`12:45.05`	`KomischOo`	`ahh kay`
`12:45.10`	`KomischOo`	`i thought its in a trigger`
`12:45.13`	`KomischOo`	`well thats solved`
`12:45.14`	`KomischOo`	`:d`
`12:45.42`	`KomischOo`	`now add integer parrameter`
`12:45.52`	`KomischOo`	`and could u also tell em what this acutally is`
`12:45.54`	`A1win`	`then you can add stuff to them just like into triggers, except they don't have events, and you can give them parameters`
`12:46.10`	`KomischOo`	`if they dont have events how are they triggered`
`12:46.15`	`KomischOo`	`?`
`12:46.17`	`A1win`	`it's a function that does not return a value: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function_(computer_science)`
`12:46.24`	`A1win`	`they are "called"`
`12:46.29`	`A1win`	`just like any action you use in a trigger`
`12:46.46`	`A1win`	`it creates a new action for you to use`
`12:46.49`	`KomischOo`	`so i call them somewere else`
`12:47.15`	`A1win`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subroutine oh it redirects here, anyway`
`12:48.35`	`KomischOo`	`do you remeber the instructions he gave me yesterda?`
`12:48.44`	`KomischOo`	`so ive added an itenger parameter now`
`12:49.00`	`A1win`	`I didn't pay enough attention to get a clear idea of what you are trying to do`
`12:49.08`	`KomischOo`	`next step woudl be add set unit life`
`12:49.16`	`KomischOo`	`damn :D`
`12:49.30`	`KomischOo`	`ill guess ill wait for master jade :D`
`12:50.27`	`KomischOo`	`ill read that wikipedia article in mean time`
`12:50.42`	`A1win`	`it might be a bit too generalized`
`12:51.05`	`SaVi`	`Gonna ask you guys a question later but I have to go :P so prepare!! ;)`
`12:51.16`	`KomischOo`	`ill will help u :DD`
`12:51.17`	`A1win`	`anyway I think the idea was that you give the target level as a parameter for the action, and the action uses that level to calculate what values it should set for the unit at the given level`
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`12:52.26`	`KomischOo`	`still dont get it`
`12:52.31`	`KomischOo`	`people should buy better mashines`
`12:52.37`	`KomischOo`	`-.-`
`12:52.51`	`KomischOo`	`so my messed up memory wastign triggers dont make problems`
`12:52.56`	`A1win`	`:P`
`12:53.10`	`KomischOo`	`^^`
`12:53.29`	`KomischOo`	`i can play my map atleast for 4 minutes`
`12:53.44`	`A1win`	`sometimes it doesn't matter how good a machine is, some algorithms (badly designed ones) take billions of years to compute no matter what`
`12:54.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Alright. First, a question.`
`12:54.23`	`KomischOo`	`my map makes you loose 10 fps like every couple seconds`
`12:54.24`	`KomischOo`	`so if u have 123123123123 initially fps`
`12:54.26`	`KomischOo`	`you could play it`
`12:54.30`	`KomischOo`	`yes jaden`
`12:54.46`	`JademusSreg`	`What is the highest math-related subject matter you've learned? Need it for a point of reference.`
`12:56.22`	`Eagles_`	`;D`
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`12:58.17`	`KomischOo_`	`irc didnt work for some reason`
`12:58.20`	`JademusSreg`	`What is the highest math-related subject matter you've learned? Need it for a point of reference.`
`12:58.47`	`KomischOo_`	`that shoudl be the last one i learned shouldnt it?`
`12:58.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Presumably, yes.`
`12:59.33`	`KomischOo_`	`matrixes`
`12:59.38`	`KomischOo_`	`if they are called like that n english`
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`13:00.44`	`KomischOo`	`dafuq is wrong with my browser..`
`13:00.58`	`KomischOo`	`did u get my answer?`
`13:00.58`	`JademusSreg`	`More generally, I mean. Arithmetic, algebra, geometry, calculus, et cetera.`
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`13:02.44`	`KomischOo`	`im just gogoling the words give me a second`
`13:03.28`	`KomischOo`	`i jsut googled et cetera.`
`13:03.29`	`KomischOo`	`nc`
`13:03.37`	`KomischOo`	`ehm I had all of those ig uess`
`13:03.58`	`KomischOo`	`is it me or the irc?`
`13:04.06`	`A1win`	`it's the webchat server`
`13:04.18`	`KomischOo`	`oh okay.`
`13:04.42`	`A1win`	`you'd have better luck using some proper client mIRC, www.mirc.com or something`
`13:04.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, but I ask what you've learned, not merely subjects covered. Which is to ask, what is the highest level of math you understand?`
`13:04.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_clients`
`13:05.16`	`A1win`	`so that you'd be directly connected to the IRC server instead of connected to a webchat server that is connected to the IRC server`
`13:05.37`	`JademusSreg`	`And what is your native language, Kom?`
`13:06.52`	`KomischOo`	`german`
`13:07.51`	`A1win`	`it's been almost 15 minutes and you haven't even gotten started yet ;D`
`13:07.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Alright. At least English is in the germanic family of languages, last I checked, so there should be a sufficient number of cognates.`
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`13:08.10`	`Kubi`	`JADEMUSSREG`
`13:08.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Me.`
`13:08.20`	`Kubi`	`Do you have ADD`
`13:08.24`	`Kubi`	`or HDHD`
`13:08.31`	`KomischOo`	`which irc client should i use? :P`
`13:08.35`	`JademusSreg`	`I have All The Ds.`
`13:08.46`	`Kubi`	`You have all the dicks?`
`13:08.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Kom, math. What is the highest level you understand?`
`13:09.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Kub, fuck yeah.`
`13:09.03`	`KomischOo`	`i couldnt even tell in german`
`13:09.04`	`KomischOo`	`xD`
`13:09.28`	`KomischOo`	`i know the basics your learn and high school`
`13:09.29`	`Kubi`	`Hey Jademus`
`13:09.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Never mind. I'll avoid math entirely.`
`13:09.34`	`KomischOo`	`and tahts it`
`13:09.36`	`Kubi`	`Do you have a barebones port of the hero mui panel`
`13:09.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes. I could make it more bare, if you want it done sooner.`
`13:10.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Since while recoding it I assumed I'd be using custom frames.`
`13:10.32`	`JademusSreg`	`But I can just as easily port their -shitty- version so it can be used asap.`
`13:10.50`	`KomischOo`	`waits`
`13:10.52`	`KomischOo`	`:D`
`13:10.58`	`Kubi`	`I just need what the basic functionally of it is, able to display hero level, respawn timer, and portrait`
`13:11.02`	`Kubi`	`and able to add multiple heroes`
`13:11.09`	`Kubi`	`It's really all I need`
`13:11.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Alright. So one hero per player, got it. Entirely doable.`
`13:11.52`	`Kubi`	`no`
`13:11.54`	`Kubi`	`MUltiple`
`13:11.55`	`Kubi`	`asshole`
`13:12.01`	`KomischOo`	`jade focus!`
`13:12.02`	`KomischOo`	`:D`
`13:12.07`	`Kubi`	`atleast 3`
`13:12.10`	`Kubi`	`the main frame`
`13:12.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Kom, if you've ever moved stuff in boxes, you can learn to program.`
`13:12.13`	`Kubi`	`and 2 sub frames`
`13:12.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Kub, easily doable.`
`13:12.21`	`Kubi`	`or 5`
`13:12.26`	`Kubi`	`how many you can fit on a damn screen`
`13:12.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, to support more than one will require very simple edits to the layouts, but yes, easily doable.`
`13:13.08`	`JademusSreg`	`However, you'd be limited by hotkeys a bit.`
`13:13.18`	`JademusSreg`	`I forget how many hero hotkeys are supported.`
`13:13.20`	`Kubi`	`whatever`
`13:13.24`	`Kubi`	`its like`
`13:13.29`	`Kubi`	`F1 - F5`
`13:13.52`	`Kubi`	`Honestly, I dont suspect anyone going over 3 heroes`
`13:13.53`	`Kubi`	`if they do`
`13:13.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Kom, what you ever moved stuff in boxes? Like moving to a new place to live or helping people you know move?`
`13:13.57`	`Kubi`	`well they dont get a hero panel for it`
`13:14.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Kub, just gimme a solid number and it'll be done.`
`13:14.12`	`Kubi`	`I moved a total of... 4 times`
`13:14.15`	`Kubi`	`Luckily`
`13:14.18`	`Kubi`	`3`
`13:14.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Alright.`
`13:14.27`	`Kubi`	`Luckily I had the navy pay for it all`
`13:14.34`	`Kubi`	`and movers`
`13:14.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Kub, that was directed at Kom.`
`13:14.40`	`Kubi`	`fuck you`
`13:14.47`	`Kubi`	`ILL CHIME IN`
`13:14.48`	`Kubi`	`WHENVER`
`13:14.49`	`JademusSreg`	`<3`
`13:14.52`	`KomischOo`	`well I dont really want to learn programming at the moment.. ill learn that later.. i jsut need this now :(`
`13:15.01`	`Kubi`	`I am going to school for programming`
`13:15.04`	`Kubi`	`because like all jobs in the US`
`13:15.07`	`Kubi`	`you just need that paper`
`13:15.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Kom, yes, but to do this you need to understand what I would be telling you.`
`13:15.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Kub, so you want this before the ultimate?`
`13:15.32`	`Kubi`	`Jade`
`13:15.34`	`Kubi`	`no`
`13:15.36`	`Kubi`	`ulti first`
`13:15.41`	`Kubi`	`I dont need mui until`
`13:15.44`	`KomischOo`	`well it doenst appear to be such a big deal`
`13:15.44`	`Kubi`	`my release of map`
`13:15.50`	`Kubi`	`Also`
`13:15.52`	`Kubi`	`Jade`
`13:15.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Will do.`
`13:15.57`	`Kubi`	`Should we scrape that ghost hero`
`13:15.59`	`KomischOo`	`so maybe a deatailed instruciton woudl work`
`13:15.59`	`Kubi`	`and put it in my map`
`13:16.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Kub, good idea.`
`13:16.15`	`Kubi`	`And jademusSreg, the answer is.. F3 - F8`
`13:16.19`	`Kubi`	`for hero keys`
`13:16.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Good. Saved me the trouble of checking.`
`13:17.01`	`Kubi`	`and tested`
`13:17.01`	`Kubi`	`well I jsut loaded my map`
`13:17.39`	`Kubi`	`Augh I have to port K5 Kerrigan abilities`
`13:17.46`	`Kubi`	`but`
`13:17.47`	`Kubi`	`JAde`
`13:17.53`	`Kubi`	`give me an idea for Stukov's third ability`
`13:18.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Kom, to understand programming, you need to think of it as boxes with labels. Just a whole lot of different boxes with so many different labels. You use the labels to identify the boxes, and some boxes just hold stuff, some boxes do stuff to the stuff in them.`
`13:18.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Kub, hmmm.`
`13:18.13`	`Kubi`	`I have corrosive blast, parasitic mutations, blank, and your ulti`
`13:18.28`	`JademusSreg`	`ponders.`
`13:18.29`	`Kubi`	`So`
`13:18.33`	`Kubi`	`1 Single Target blast`
`13:18.38`	`Kubi`	`1 AOE Ally Buff`
`13:18.43`	`Kubi`	`and a badass ultimate`
`13:18.45`	`Kubi`	`mmm`
`13:18.52`	`Kubi`	`Either a defensive ability, or crowd control`
`13:18.52`	`KomischOo`	`so you cant help me atm jade? :/`
`13:18.56`	`Kubi`	`Kom`
`13:18.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Stukov had a hardon for the Psi Emitters and Psi Disruptor in Brood War.`
`13:18.58`	`Kubi`	`What do you need`
`13:19.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Kom, I am helping.`
`13:19.15`	`KomischOo`	`i know that jade`
`13:19.22`	`Kubi`	`Looking at psi emitter wiki`
`13:19.22`	`Kubi`	`brb`
`13:19.30`	`KomischOo`	`I read 1 c++ book :D years ago`
`13:19.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Kom, irrelevant.`
`13:19.42`	`Kubi`	`most companies use java`
`13:19.44`	`Kubi`	`fyi`
`13:19.47`	`KomischOo`	`i did the "hello worl" thing and basic calculator liek a badass`
`13:19.53`	`KomischOo`	`xxxD`
`13:20.08`	`Kubi`	`i have a close family friend who makes 150k$/yr salary just using java`
`13:20.19`	`Kubi`	`He doesnt like it`
`13:20.24`	`Kubi`	`but thats what the company wants`
`13:20.27`	`A1win`	`java is a horrible language`
`13:20.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Kom, so long as you understand how to put stuff in boxes, you can program, provided you have a flexible meaning of the word "box".`
`13:20.41`	`Kubi`	`C++ is usually in real world application for drivers, the talking between hardware and software`
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`13:21.07`	`Kubi`	`I am more happy that the technology world is moving away from adobe flash`
`13:21.12`	`Kubi`	`shutters`
`13:21.13`	`A1win`	`java version usage graph: http://community.websense.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/securitylabs/4621.Java-Users-_2D00_-graph-with-release-dates2.png`
`13:21.29`	`KomischOo`	`okay I can!`
`13:22.02`	`Kubi`	`oh wow`
`13:22.07`	`Kubi`	`looks like C surpassed java this year`
`13:22.07`	`Kubi`	`http://www.langpop.com/`
`13:23.04`	`Kubi`	`I think its say to say I can uninstall Flash off my computer`
`13:23.11`	`Kubi`	`good riddance pos`
`13:23.29`	`Kubi`	`So many times I got hacked because of adobe flash`
`13:23.33`	`Kubi`	`vulnerablilies`
`13:23.43`	`Kubi`	`And they always go after one thing..`
`13:23.47`	`Kubi`	`My world of warcraft gold`
`13:24.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Kom, as I said last night, you'll want to make a custom action definition that takes an integer parameter for the level. The action will give that parameter to a Set Variable action, which will use the value to make a new value, like level*200 for example. Then you'll give that variable to the set unit life / max life functions.`
`13:24.44`	`Kubi`	`I know that there is a custom model for psi emitter with a 3d portrait`
`13:25.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Hmm.`
`13:25.11`	`Kubi`	`I can make it attract enemy units and slow their movement speed.`
`13:25.18`	`Kubi`	`until destroyed or last for 15 seconds`
`13:25.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, that would be amusing.`
`13:25.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Are there psionic units in this map?`
`13:25.52`	`Kubi`	`Lemme check this psi emitter model`
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`13:26.08`	`Kubi`	`Psionic? just the defaults`
`13:26.10`	`Kubi`	`not a big role in the map`
`13:26.20`	`Kubi`	`I would do only psionic units`
`13:26.21`	`Kubi`	`but`
`13:26.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Figured it might be fun to apply an additional anti-caster debuff just for them.`
`13:26.27`	`Kubi`	`mmm`
`13:26.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Maybe some feedback, if you wanna keep it simple.`
`13:26.33`	`Kueken`	`A Good Morning To You, Chat!`
`13:26.48`	`Kubi`	`A mana drain?`
`13:26.49`	`JademusSreg`	`~good morning`
`13:26.49`	`purl`	`Good morning, good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry!`
`13:27.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Kub, yeah.`
`13:27.06`	`Kubi`	`Jade yes, it would make things interesting but I don't think it would work well for a competition map`
`13:27.14`	`Kubi`	`more for a single player map`
`13:27.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Fair enough.`
`13:27.20`	`Kubi`	`I would do it`
`13:27.30`	`Kubi`	`if I had other abilities that affected certain attribute types`
`13:27.40`	`Kubi`	`like if I had ability that made light units bleed`
`13:27.45`	`JademusSreg`	`I mean, I disagree with the general sweeping statement, but it is accurate for a frenzy map.`
`13:28.32`	`Kubi`	`If it's too multilayered then one, balancing will be a bitch, and two people will be confused easily`
`13:28.46`	`Kubi`	`and you know how easily mass populace of b.net gets confused.`
`13:28.58`	`KomischOo`	`Jade, so the integer has to be an array?`
`13:29.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Kom, no.`
`13:29.22`	`KomischOo`	`why do I not ahve to do it fo every play`
`13:29.23`	`KomischOo`	`er`
`13:29.35`	`JademusSreg`	`It's just a simple arithmetic operation you'll perform on the parameter to derive a value for the life.`
`13:31.07`	`KomischOo`	`So by now I got an Interger "Level" and an action Variable - Set variable = value`
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`13:31.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Now in that set variable action, instead of just putting it into the variable, use math to change the value.`
`13:32.21`	`KomischOo`	`which variable will i set?`
`13:32.55`	`JademusSreg`	`I mean you use math the modify the value of the parameter then set it to the variable.`
`13:33.06`	`JademusSreg`	`For instance, variable = value * 200`
`13:33.22`	`KomischOo`	`i got that but howcan i set "variable" to "level"`
`13:33.32`	`Kubi`	`I can't believe how much a dick Incinerate was`
`13:34.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Is the person's name Incinerate or CheddarTerran? That log was a tad difficult to follow.`
`13:34.45`	`Kubi`	`Incinerate is his named used by Battle.net/Forums, CheddarTerran is his twitch.tv name`
`13:34.51`	`Kubi`	`Which I learned last night`
`13:35.00`	`Kubi`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/dark-protoss/files/135-psi-emitter/`
`13:35.02`	`JademusSreg`	`I mean, I saw people behaving as would anthropomorphized penises, but I couldn't tell who was saying what.`
`13:35.27`	`JademusSreg`	`That's not a bad wrap.`
`13:35.39`	`Kubi`	`Nope, it's actually quite good.`
`13:35.44`	`Kubi`	`No extra textures`
`13:35.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Though I think we can do better with some clever actor shit.`
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`13:36.17`	`Kubi`	`I like using the community assets.`
`13:36.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, by all means.`
`13:36.25`	`Kubi`	`Otherwise whats the point of making things if they'll never used.`
`13:36.39`	`Kubi`	`I would be disappointed if I made a bunch of models for public use and nobody used them`
`13:36.42`	`JademusSreg`	`You're a softy at heart, awww.`
`13:37.10`	`Kubi`	`As long as it fits to what I need, I'm all for it`
`13:37.30`	`Kubi`	`I asked permission from a really good artist on deviant art to use his artwork`
`13:37.35`	`Kubi`	`and he said yeah go ahead`
`13:37.45`	`KomischOo`	`how can i set "variable" to "level" OO`
`13:38.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Kom, you're supposed to take the parameter and, from the set variable action, modify it with math actions/functions.`
`13:39.12`	`JademusSreg`	`It's an action that should have exactly an integer parameter, a local integer variable, a set integer action, a set unit life action, and a set unit max life action.`
`13:39.23`	`KomischOo`	`before i can modify a variable (cahgne the value) i ahve to select one`
`13:39.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes. Make a new local variable.`
`13:39.45`	`JademusSreg`	`New > Local Variable`
`13:39.49`	`KomischOo`	`ahh`
`13:39.53`	`KomischOo`	`local integer variable`
`13:39.56`	`KomischOo`	`now i see`
`13:40.08`	`KomischOo`	`i thought ui wanted to me select the parameter directly`
`13:40.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Kub, that is a fine portrait, though. More impressive than the model itself.`
`13:42.41`	`Kubi`	`It is.`
`13:42.43`	`KomischOo`	`okay got all that`
`13:42.48`	`Kubi`	`Nicely polished`
`13:43.01`	`JademusSreg`	`True to the spirit of the original.`
`13:43.06`	`KomischOo`	`+ life regen + movementspeed action`
`13:43.10`	`KomischOo`	`or not?`
`13:43.22`	`Kubi`	`It will make for a nice offensive crowd control ability`
`13:44.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Kom, whatever you wanna do with that, fine, after you've got what's been instructed.`
`13:44.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Yesss.`
`13:44.37`	`KomischOo`	`i didnt get that last sentence.. :/`
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`13:44.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Kom, show me what you have so far.`
`13:45.00`	`Kubi`	`Map is already 7.13mb compressed`
`13:45.31`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`13:46.51`	`Kubi`	`oh, and I must credit him`
`13:46.52`	`Kubi`	`kekeke`
`13:47.22`	`Kubi`	`JademusSreg you're not on my credits list, CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING`
`13:47.31`	`KomischOo`	`Jade, http://www.xup.in/dl,79965617/Jade_advice_2.png`
`13:48.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Kom, now you'll add a unit parameter.`
`13:48.19`	`JademusSreg`	`So triggering unit isn't used here inappropriately.`
`13:49.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, you didn't set the variable, not that it will matter if you intend to cover a variety of different properties, and Value + 1 was an example; you'll need to think of your own expression.`
`13:49.43`	`SaVi`	`Hey all, I finally attached the flames behind my Hellion when activating the Speed Bost proud xD and now I'm wondering if it is possible to decrease the length of the flames when driving. Currently there is a long flame line when you drive and I want to shorten it.`
`13:49.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Kub, working on it.`
`13:50.17`	`KomischOo`	`http://www.xup.in/dl,72644980/Jade_advice_2.png`
`13:50.20`	`SaVi`	`I know about the scale function but when you are standing the length is perfect`
`13:50.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Sav, sure. You could rescale it.`
`13:50.40`	`Kubi`	`Oh deal god what are all those`
`13:50.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Or use a different model for when the unit's moving.`
`13:51.14`	`Kubi`	`oh shit..`
`13:51.16`	`Kubi`	`JAdemusSreg`
`13:51.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Kub, it's why I'm helping Kom make a function.`
`13:51.18`	`Kubi`	`the models broken`
`13:51.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Broken how?`
`13:51.35`	`Kubi`	`The turret is broken`
`13:51.39`	`SaVi`	`:`
`13:51.40`	`SaVi`	`:O`
`13:51.44`	`JademusSreg`	`That sucks.`
`13:51.46`	`Kubi`	`IE doesnt show`
`13:52.28`	`SaVi`	`so there is no option for "behaviour while moving" or something like that?`
`13:52.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Sav, moar actor events.`
`13:52.58`	`Kubi`	`~seen Thrikodias`
`13:53.04`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'thrikodias', Kubi`
`13:53.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Or hope it has other animations.`
`13:57.21`	`Kubi`	`Mmmm, this doesnt seem right`
`13:57.21`	`Kubi`	`It probably broke when hots came out`
`13:57.22`	`SaVi`	`its the firebat launch attack model, there are some other too but i dont really think that using another one would change that`
`13:57.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Kubi, well, not hots specifically, but 2.0.4 or prior, yeah.`
`13:57.23`	`SaVi`	`It's not neccassary to change that, only thought about that while watching the flames. It could have been possible that there is a simple function for that :P`
`13:57.23`	`Kubi`	`I'll send him a pm`
`13:57.24`	`Kubi`	`or just find another model`
`13:57.24`	`JademusSreg`	`iirc, the flames are a beam. So change/add an attach site`
`13:57.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Kub, you could bug Zolden if he's not too busy.`
`13:57.24`	`KomischOo`	`what should i do know jade?`
`13:57.35`	`JademusSreg`	`The other things I mentioned.`
`13:58.27`	`Kueken`	`flames and beam?`
`13:58.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Value 1 + 1 is not valid, and at this point using a variable is pointless, probably. So instead you'll do the math in the actions.`
`13:58.47`	`Kueken`	`hellion flames or firebat?`
`13:59.07`	`SaVi`	`you mean me Kueken?`
`13:59.32`	`Kueken`	`they are not beams at all, they don't even use a beam type actor, just Blizzard decided to call them beams for some reason`
`13:59.59`	`Kueken`	`no idea, just read flames and beams and my spider senses tingled`
`14:00.29`	`SaVi`	`Isn't it possible to say the Actor that he should ignore Movement but still follow the Hellion?`
`14:00.30`	`Kueken`	`scrolling to find the actual topic now :D`
`14:00.44`	`KomischOo`	`well i would to so if I understood what the acutally aim is. what I obviously didnt so far. what i dont get is how is this related to the choic ea player does in the dialog?`
`14:00.52`	`SaVi`	`So that the Flames dont get scretched while moving but stll move with the hellion^^`
`14:00.53`	`JademusSreg`	`I hate the cutscene editor. They gave me a rotten one.`
`14:01.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Kueken, open HellionBeam asset in the cutscene editor.`
`14:01.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Shift D to show model data.`
`14:01.29`	`KomischOo`	`terrible typos.. i hope you understood what i was trying to say..`
`14:01.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Unfold Bones.`
`14:01.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Note Attacher.`
`14:03.31`	`SaVi`	`uhhh i got a sweet idea`
`14:03.49`	`Kueken`	`not familiar with bones, if the existence of attacher means its a beam model, okay :)`
`14:03.50`	`SaVi`	`which wont solve my problems xD`
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`14:04.29`	`Kueken`	`but last time I checked the hellion attack in data, it didn't use any beams whatsoever`
`14:04.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Kom, regardless of what your purpose is, making an action/function that sets values by parameter is infinitely better than hundreds of if statements.`
`14:04.55`	`Kueken`	`granted, that was a couple of years ago`
`14:06.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Kueken, I assure you, it is a beam. It uses a site offset from the hellion for its other attach point.`
`14:06.11`	`KomischOo`	`could you give me an example of life added via this method trggered by the click on a dialog item? so i understand what ima cutally doing?`
`14:07.18`	`JademusSreg`	`The attacher bone is only found in beams and tentacles, and they can be used interchangabley; tentacles are just beams that are told to return / move toward the caster.`
`14:08.01`	`Kueken`	`yes, noticed that. I was quite amused when I used a tentacle model for a beam actor and it worked`
`14:08.14`	`SaVi`	`When using action/functions you have a "Trigger" activated by another Trigger with the difference that you are able to attach "Parameters" which is nothing else than a local Variable for it`
`14:08.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Kom, that is outside the scope of this instruction.`
`14:08.56`	`JademusSreg`	`I just don't have that kind of time. Step by step walkthroughs are not interesting to me.`
`14:09.28`	`KomischOo`	`i know`
`14:09.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, Sav, all you need to do is make a site to attach to the other end of the beam, and move it back toward the host attach after the initial "flare".`
`14:10.16`	`KomischOo`	`thats why i want this to change.. my itnention was to stop wasting ur time.. i thought it takes you a mintue to make that example and i think i can udnerstand it using this..`
`14:10.25`	`SaVi`	`Jade, thats a great idea thx :D`
`14:10.49`	`JademusSreg`	`If I weren't already doing a dozen things, I would make an example, haha.`
`14:11.04`	`JademusSreg`	`But I can tell you how to configure such things via dialog controls.`
`14:11.27`	`JademusSreg`	`First, start with a slider so you don't set everything with a ridiculous amount of buttons.`
`14:11.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Next, you set the sliders to min and max supported values.`
`14:11.59`	`JademusSreg`	`For each property they user can modify.`
`14:12.00`	`KomischOo`	`do you know of a good tutorial that might help me?`
`14:12.25`	`SaVi`	`It seems like Jade is the main person to keep this IRC alive xD`
`14:12.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Then you get those values from the sliders when you create the unit and apply the property changes.`
`14:12.51`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't use tutorials, but go to google and start with site:sc2mapster.com and then your search terms.`
`14:13.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Because the Curse search feature is garbage.`
`14:13.08`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
`14:13.40`	`SaVi`	`ye thats true^^`
`14:13.47`	`Kubi`	`Yummy my editor crashed`
`14:13.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Sav, I assure you, I wouldn't chat nearly as much if people didn't address me specifically. brb++`
`14:15.40`	`SaVi`	`Many variables you have there Kom^^`
`14:17.14`	`Kubi`	`Jademus, says in the wiki Psi disrupter :)`
`14:17.35`	`SaVi`	`But I'm sure the most are thankful that you spent your time helping them ;)`
`14:17.52`	`SaVi`	`I'm for sure are thankful for it`
`14:17.53`	`KomischOo`	`1 sec savi`
`14:18.48`	`KomischOo`	`thats the awesoem trigger that belogns to all those variables`
`14:18.56`	`KomischOo`	`im sure you guys woudl need liek 10 line sof code`
`14:18.57`	`KomischOo`	`http://pastebin.com/kSW8w4XA`
`14:20.17`	`SaVi`	`Holy mother of mercy`
`14:20.58`	`KomischOo`	`this trigger might be the reason for enormous fps drops ingame..`
`14:21.01`	`SaVi`	`Two hints^^`
`14:21.09`	`KomischOo`	`thats why jade tryed to help me to create a good one`
`14:21.20`	`KomischOo`	`but im jsut too damn stupid`
`14:21.28`	`SaVi`	`1. Variables can have more indexes than just one for example Life Picked[8][20]`
`14:21.42`	`SaVi`	`so you wouldnt need 20 different Life Picked Variables`
`14:22.06`	`KomischOo`	`ahh tahts what dimensions is`
`14:22.09`	`KomischOo`	`good to know`
`14:22.12`	`SaVi`	`2. the Pick each Integer from [Integer] to [Integer] is a really usefull function nearly used in every trigger I have`
`14:22.19`	`KomischOo`	`gimme dat seond hint :D`
`14:22.46`	`KomischOo`	`ehm`
`14:22.50`	`KomischOo`	`i dont get that one :D`
`14:23.09`	`SaVi`	`for example you want to countdown from 10 to 0 with Textmessages`
`14:23.09`	`KomischOo`	`i mean i get it`
`14:23.11`	`KomischOo`	`but not the use of it`
`14:23.36`	`SaVi`	`dont do every step again.. and again... AND MORE Again^^ i would get crazy :D`
`14:23.52`	`SaVi`	`Say Pick each Integer from [10] to [0]`
`14:24.10`	`SaVi`	`and then UI - Textmessage (Convert Integer to Text(Picked Integer))`
`14:24.27`	`SaVi`	`a wait order with 1 Sec of real time and you are already done`
`14:24.34`	`A1win`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_loop`
`14:24.38`	`KomischOo`	`okay ich understand this one`
`14:24.56`	`KomischOo`	`i hate it how im such a noob`
`14:25.02`	`KomischOo`	`and u guys are gods`
`14:25.02`	`KomischOo`	`xD`
`14:25.15`	`SaVi`	`so you could try to and you HAVE to try to reduce the size of this trigger with these Loops`
`14:26.14`	`A1win`	`urrrb time to script some 2D gravity physics`
`14:26.20`	`SaVi`	`as long as there is a order like you have it .. Life Picked 1 = 100 ; Life Picked 2 = 200 ; and so on.. each step + 100 to a certain amount you could use a loop`
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`14:27.03`	`SaVi`	`in this loop you check if the value Picked Integer * 100 is the one he should get and if it is so you do what you want to do with him and after that a break loop`
`14:27.22`	`KomischOo`	`but this woudl shorten the code only not the amoutn of stuff i check`
`14:27.23`	`SaVi`	`or even a skip actions`
`14:27.23`	`KomischOo`	`woudltn it?`
`14:27.48`	`Kueken`	`correct`
`14:28.12`	`SaVi`	`thats why you should use a break/skip after he found the right one`
`14:28.37`	`SaVi`	`so he wont browse through the rest of it`
`14:29.23`	`A1win`	`there's no need to do any looping at all`
`14:29.45`	`KomischOo`	`i think what jade was trying to help me create is a mich better solution^^`
`14:29.55`	`A1win`	`or I'm not sure if I understood what the trigger is supposed to do`
`14:30.12`	`SaVi`	`ye thats true^^ thats why I'm telling you is just another way to reduce THIS trigger^^ I also would use another methode`
`14:30.29`	`SaVi`	`thats what*`
`14:31.10`	`KomischOo`	`each player can pop uo a dialog by pressing "esc" select air or ground -> new dialog pops up -> select hp -> new select regen -> new select movement speed -> unit is spawnend every 10 sec to all player spawn`
`14:31.46`	`A1win`	`mm that can be done in a MUCH more elegant way :P`
`14:32.02`	`SaVi`	`Maybe dont make hundreds of booleans and just make on "Life Picked" with the type "Integer" and if the picks up for example "Life Picked[8][4]" you set the integer to 4 and then just say in the trigger`
`14:32.27`	`A1win`	`just save the values for each player and then spawn the units based on the saved values`
`14:32.30`	`SaVi`	`wait a moment`
`14:32.35`	`KomischOo`	`A1win I guessed so. but beign a total prgramming ü math newbie I was freakign proud that I jsut did something and it worked..`
`14:32.38`	`SaVi`	`Life Picked wouldnt have a second index then`
`14:33.12`	`A1win`	`there's no need to do any "checking", you just read the values that you have saved`
`14:33.17`	`SaVi`	`Life Picked[8] would be the value of the number of life picked he picked up`
`14:33.34`	`SaVi`	`and then just do : Unit - Set Custom SPAWNING Unit RUNNER[(Picked player)] Life to [Life Picked][Triggering Player] * 100`
`14:33.53`	`KomischOo`	`and save the values in a integer for each player?`
`14:33.55`	`SaVi`	`Unit - Set Custom SPAWNING Unit RUNNER[(Picked player)] Life to [Life Picked][Picked Player] * 100 sorry^^`
`14:34.00`	`Kueken`	`holy crap, just took a look at the trigger o_0`
`14:34.07`	`Kueken`	`almost 4k lines`
`14:34.10`	`A1win`	`haha`
`14:34.11`	`SaVi`	`ye dont use booleans`
`14:34.25`	`SaVi`	`just save the number of pickups he picked up as a number`
`14:34.27`	`A1win`	`you can achieve what you want in like 10 lines or so`
`14:34.42`	`KomischOo`	`sorry to blidn you kueken :(`
`14:35.12`	`SaVi`	`how long did you work at that trigger? ^^`
`14:35.28`	`KomischOo`	`A1win this trigger took me ages. its a beauty.`
`14:35.43`	`Kueken`	`well, I started with similar triggers back in SC1, I think :D`
`14:35.52`	`A1win`	`it looks lime someone vomiting to a barrel for a week`
`14:35.52`	`KomischOo`	`logn enough.. shitlaods of c& p but always adjsut where it spawns`
`14:35.53`	`Kueken`	`not THAT long, though, I was way too lazy for that`
`14:35.54`	`A1win`	`:P`
`14:36.00`	`KomischOo`	`+ thats not even my worst attempt`
`14:36.16`	`Kueken`	`now you are starting to scare me`
`14:36.16`	`KomischOo`	`i had one before that didnt have "triggering player"`
`14:36.18`	`KomischOo`	`so for each palyer`
`14:36.20`	`KomischOo`	`such a beauty`
`14:36.31`	`SaVi`	`:O`
`14:36.42`	`KomischOo`	`which means`
`14:36.48`	`KomischOo`	`nearly 32k lines of code`
`14:36.50`	`SaVi`	`dont torture us !`
`14:36.52`	`SaVi`	`awww`
`14:36.55`	`KomischOo`	`and you say it could be done in like 10`
`14:37.12`	`KomischOo`	`fml on that..`
`14:37.16`	`A1win`	`:x`
`14:37.25`	`A1win`	`you could've spent that time learning some programming`
`14:37.33`	`KomischOo`	`true dat`
`14:37.40`	`Kueken`	`well, you can probably store all of your required values in one big array`
`14:37.42`	`KomischOo`	`but Im still not able to do it in 10 lines..`
`14:37.46`	`KomischOo`	`or learning for my finals`
`14:37.53`	`KomischOo`	`englishf ianls.. taht have been todaay`
`14:37.58`	`KomischOo`	`finals*`
`14:38.33`	`SaVi`	`I did write a english test today too^^ but it weren't my finals :P`
`14:39.39`	`KomischOo`	`A1win cant you guide me to create those 10 lines? :(`
`14:39.52`	`KomischOo`	`Savi, did you well? :D`
`14:39.54`	`A1win`	`I'm still not completely sure what it's supposed to do`
`14:39.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Just noticed the death model for the infested marine timeout. Hil. Fucking. Arious.`
`14:40.09`	`A1win`	`so I'm not sure if it's 10 lines, but certainly it'll be in the 10s rather than in the thousands`
`14:40.12`	`SaVi`	`Ye it should be a good result :)`
`14:40.30`	`KomischOo`	`pretty much wat i wrote earlyer`
`14:40.31`	`KomischOo`	`each player can pop uo a dialog by pressing "esc" select air or ground -> new dialog pops up -> select hp -> new select regen -> new select movement speed -> unit is spawnend every 10 sec to all player spawn`
`14:40.33`	`SaVi`	`You have to save the Variables in another way before you are able to reduce it to 10 lines`
`14:40.59`	`KomischOo`	`so saving them as in integer would be a good start?`
`14:41.07`	`Kueken`	`depends`
`14:41.17`	`A1win`	`make a new Record where to store the values for each player, make an array variable of that record type`
`14:41.24`	`Kueken`	`air/ground makes sense to store in a boolean`
`14:41.32`	`A1win`	`record is a collection of variables of different types`
`14:41.37`	`KomischOo`	`and out of nowhere kueken writes a very clear answer`
`14:41.39`	`KomischOo`	`:D`
`14:41.41`	`SaVi`	`a folder for variables :P`
`14:42.26`	`A1win`	`and in that record, create a new variable for each thing you want to store`
`14:42.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Kubi, wanna make use of the InfestedBunker model?`
`14:43.06`	`Kubi`	`With?`
`14:43.08`	`KomischOo`	`make an array variable of that record type`
`14:43.12`	`Kubi`	`There is an infestedbunker model?`
`14:43.21`	`Kubi`	`I used PsiDisruptor`
`14:43.26`	`KomischOo`	`??`
`14:43.28`	`Kubi`	`because stukov fancied that`
`14:43.35`	`Kubi`	`I am making it calldown via zerg drop pod`
`14:43.36`	`A1win`	`Ground (Boolean), Health (Real), Regen (Real), Movement Speed (Real)`
`14:43.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Dunno what you might wanna use it for, but it's what Blizz demoed for HotS assets at BlizzCon.`
`14:43.53`	`KomischOo`	`ahh i thoguth the record itself should be an array`
`14:43.55`	`Kubi`	`The one that comes out of the ground with zerg shit`
`14:43.57`	`JademusSreg`	`The bunker than was actually a huge zerg unit.`
`14:44.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah.,`
`14:44.06`	`A1win`	`KomischOo, the record just defines the variables`
`14:44.12`	`Kubi`	`I thought that was a unit`
`14:44.21`	`Kubi`	`What happened to it`
`14:44.22`	`A1win`	`then you need a new variable that has its type set as that record you just created`
`14:44.22`	`Kubi`	`:<`
`14:44.33`	`JademusSreg`	`It's in the assets.`
`14:44.42`	`KomischOo`	`how do you make that sound appear?`
`14:44.53`	`Kubi`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHdRgkUdQCc`
`14:44.58`	`Kubi`	`The unit is?`
`14:45.17`	`A1win`	`sound?`
`14:45.53`	`KomischOo`	`and your name red in irc`
`14:45.54`	`KomischOo`	`:D`
`14:46.04`	`A1win`	`that depends on your client`
`14:46.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`14:46.26`	`Kubi`	`I dont believe you jade`
`14:46.28`	`Kubi`	`whats the model`
`14:46.29`	`A1win`	`it probably just highlights whenever someone mentions your name`
`14:46.40`	`KomischOo`	`ahh okay`
`14:47.02`	`JademusSreg`	Alt `, enter command browse, then type InfestedBunker
`14:47.06`	`KomischOo`	`so i have the variables (each with array)`
`14:47.30`	`A1win`	`each?`
`14:47.41`	`A1win`	`the variables inside the record should not be arrays`
`14:47.50`	`KomischOo`	`crap.`
`14:48.03`	`KomischOo`	`midn telling me why`
`14:48.14`	`A1win`	`it defines a new record type`
`14:48.18`	`A1win`	`it isn't itself a variable`
`14:48.22`	`A1win`	`err`
`14:48.28`	`A1win`	`it defines a new variable type`
`14:48.51`	`A1win`	`then you make a NEW global variable that is an array`
`14:49.00`	`KomischOo`	`so jsut the type i see`
`14:49.00`	`A1win`	`and its type is set as that record`
`14:49.01`	`Kubi`	`Jade`
`14:49.03`	`Kubi`	`didnt do anything`
`14:49.10`	`KomischOo`	`for every of those?`
`14:49.15`	`A1win`	`huh?`
`14:49.18`	`A1win`	`no, just one variable`
`14:49.31`	`A1win`	`that is an array of size that fits all players in it`
`14:49.50`	`KomischOo`	`so an integer`
`14:49.57`	`A1win`	`it'll become clear once you see how it's used ;p`
`14:50.21`	`A1win`	`what do you have now?`
`14:50.56`	`JademusSreg`	Kub, open the Console window (Window > Console or hotkey Alt ` (that's a tilde, not an apostrophe)), enter the command browse and then enter InfestedBunker into the Search filter.
`14:51.32`	`KomischOo`	`Global variable integer of array 8`
`14:51.38`	`A1win`	`delete that`
`14:51.38`	`A1win`	`:P`
`14:51.45`	`A1win`	`do you have the record?`
`14:51.47`	`KomischOo`	`y`
`14:51.51`	`A1win`	`and what's in it?`
`14:52.28`	`KomischOo`	`air = boolean, ground = boolean, health = real, regen = real, movement = real`
`14:52.40`	`A1win`	`you don't need two booleans`
`14:52.51`	`A1win`	`just one boolean called Ground`
`14:52.57`	`KomischOo`	`ahh an if its false itss air`
`14:53.01`	`A1win`	`if it's true, the unit is ground, and if it's false, it's air`
`14:53.02`	`KomischOo`	`kk`
`14:53.32`	`SaVi`	`Is it possible that "Periodic events" dont work after 30 Min of game time?`
`14:53.37`	`A1win`	`now create a new global variable and sets its type to "- Record" (at the top of the type list) and record type to the record that you just created`
`14:53.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Sav, nope.`
`14:53.56`	`A1win`	`and make it an array`
`14:54.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Although there is an option related to it somewhere.`
`14:54.41`	`SaVi`	`so it works after 30 min hmmm`
`14:56.00`	`JademusSreg`	`In Map > Map Options, there is a flag for Stagger Periodic Trigger Events.`
`14:56.14`	`JademusSreg`	`But that only prevents all the events from firing at once.`
`14:56.56`	`KomischOo`	`A1win, done`
`14:57.19`	`A1win`	`now you have a variable that stores all the required values for every player separately`
`14:57.26`	`Kubi`	`Jade`
`14:57.28`	`Kubi`	`You're telling me`
`14:57.31`	`A1win`	`next step is to set those variables when the dialog buttons are clicked`
`14:57.31`	`Kubi`	`the infested bunker UNIt`
`14:57.33`	`Kubi`	`is in`
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`14:58.36`	`KomischOo`	`mhh`
`14:58.45`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm telling you the asset is there.`
`14:58.45`	`A1win`	`can you show the trigger(s) for the dialog buttons?`
`14:59.02`	`JademusSreg`	`No data connects to it, though. But that's easy.`
`14:59.16`	`KomischOo`	`yes`
`14:59.43`	`Kubi`	`Make it Jade`
`14:59.43`	`Kubi`	`:D`
`14:59.48`	`Kubi`	`What would you change`
`15:00.21`	`JademusSreg`	`If you have an infestor zerg hero planned, I think you've got a minion, easy.`
`15:01.07`	`KomischOo`	`im afraid to even post my trigger`
`15:01.10`	`KomischOo`	`no insults please`
`15:01.26`	`A1win`	`;x`
`15:01.30`	`KomischOo`	`http://pastebin.com/8w7ZuyJi`
`15:02.03`	`JademusSreg`	`But yeah, as I said earlier, Assets\Units\Zerg\InfestedMarineTimeOutDeath\InfestedMarineTimeOutDeath.m3 is hilarious.`
`15:02.53`	`Kubi`	`I actually i do`
`15:02.59`	`A1win`	`KomischOo, so does it always spawn a marine for each player but then alters its life or what?`
`15:03.07`	`A1win`	`and other stats`
`15:03.23`	`KomischOo`	`i was lazy creatign more`
`15:03.24`	`KomischOo`	`yes`
`15:03.56`	`A1win`	`are those dialog buttons clicked just once when the game starts or multiple times?=`
`15:03.59`	`A1win`	`-=`
`15:04.05`	`Kubi`	`Oh shit`
`15:04.06`	`Kubi`	`Jade`
`15:04.07`	`Kubi`	`I found it`
`15:04.08`	`Kubi`	`it is here`
`15:04.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah.`
`15:04.29`	`KomischOo`	`always when a player presses escape`
`15:05.06`	`KomischOo`	`so pretty oftne a game`
`15:05.29`	`A1win`	`so what's the point of the trigger that repeats every 10 seconds?`
`15:05.57`	`KomischOo`	`it spawns`
`15:06.07`	`KomischOo`	`the unit at 8 lcoations`
`15:06.14`	`KomischOo`	`and adds hp`
`15:06.15`	`KomischOo`	`and stuff to it`
`15:06.27`	`A1win`	`adds?`
`15:06.30`	`A1win`	`or just sets?`
`15:06.33`	`KomischOo`	`sets`
`15:06.58`	`A1win`	`and clicking the dialogs also spawns?`
`15:08.51`	`A1win`	`mmh you're creating new dialog items every time the player presses esc?`
`15:09.24`	`KomischOo`	`mhh`
`15:09.33`	`KomischOo`	`yeah`
`15:09.35`	`A1win`	`you're not destroying the old ones, so it'll keep creating more and more dialogs every time`
`15:09.52`	`KomischOo`	`aah`
`15:09.55`	`A1win`	`to make it more elegant, you'd just create the dialogs when the game starts, and then show/hide them when needed`
`15:09.59`	`KomischOo`	`i could simply create all the dialogs`
`15:10.01`	`A1win`	`instead of creating new ones every tgime`
`15:10.03`	`KomischOo`	`and show them via esc`
`15:10.06`	`A1win`	`yes`
`15:10.07`	`KomischOo`	`couldnt i?`
`15:10.19`	`A1win`	`and you only need 1 dialog, you can hide and show them for each player separately`
`15:10.43`	`KomischOo`	`i think ill fix this first`
`15:10.47`	`KomischOo`	`as i understand what im doin :D`
`15:11.00`	`A1win`	`"show dialog for <player group: convert player (triggering player) to player group"`
`15:11.04`	`A1win`	`>`
`15:11.11`	`KomischOo`	`i know that one ;D thx`
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`15:11.47`	`A1win`	`create the dialogs on map initialization and hide the ones that need to be hidden`
`15:12.03`	`A1win`	`well, you probably just need 1 dialog and multiple dialog items for it`
`15:12.07`	`A1win`	`but anyway`
`15:13.34`	`Kubi`	`JademusSreg I added psi disruptor, called down by zerg drop pad and added bunker infestation to it, so it looks zergy/terrany`
`15:13.37`	`Kubi`	`looks ba`
`15:13.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Neato.`
`15:13.52`	`Kubi`	`fuck you`
`15:13.54`	`Kubi`	`not impressed`
`15:14.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Make a video.`
`15:14.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`well fuck you too kubi`
`15:14.26`	`Kubi`	`:D`
`15:14.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`impressed now?`
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`15:14.40`	`Kubi`	`I have to make the pull in effect, mana drain`
`15:15.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
`15:15.49`	`A1win`	`urgh not sure where I should start with these gravity physics D:`
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`15:18.05`	`KomischOo`	`A1win the dialog items are now array [8][20] for life for example or am i doin bullshit?`
`15:18.30`	`A1win`	`why are there 8*20 of them?`
`15:18.35`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`15:18.40`	`KomischOo`	`bullshit detected`
`15:18.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`damn ninja you got a lot of dialogs`
`15:18.42`	`KomischOo`	`xD`
`15:18.42`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`15:18.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`160 minimum?`
`15:18.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`15:19.10`	`A1win`	`you just need an array of the size of the number of dialog items`
`15:19.15`	`KomischOo`	`ok`
`15:19.19`	`A1win`	`or the maximum of them`
`15:19.36`	`A1win`	`you can even use the same dialog items for different stats`
`15:19.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`i usually go 1 or 2 over just for the hell of it, but you you deff dont need that many`
`15:19.40`	`KomischOo`	`Taintedwisp dont troll me :D`
`15:19.49`	`A1win`	`just change their text based on which stat is being set`
`15:19.52`	`Taintedwisp`	`i am not trolling`
`15:19.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`15:20.10`	`KomischOo`	`A1win i wont do that this confuses me`
`15:20.34`	`A1win`	`well yeah it'd need some state checking then so it's fine`
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`15:29.23`	`KomischOo`	`it too my i7 proccessor almost 7 minutes to delete the varables of my 4k line trigger`
`15:29.36`	`A1win`	`:P`
`15:30.45`	`A1win`	`tip: if at any time you're thinking of adding more than like 10 variables to a trigger and more than ~10-50 lines depending on how complex it is, you're probably using a bad design for it ;>`
`15:32.06`	`A1win`	`at that point, you should think if ways to split your problem into smaller parts (not just by copying part of the trigger to another trigger but actually changing the design in some way)`
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`15:52.24`	`KomischOo`	`please tell me i created the dialogs the right way..`
`15:52.46`	`KomischOo`	`http://www.xup.in/dl,70106382/A1win.png`
`15:53.23`	`A1win`	`seems fine`
`15:53.36`	`A1win`	`except arrays start from 0, so you're "wasting" one index of memory :P`
`15:53.44`	`A1win`	`but that doesn't matter in practice`
`15:54.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`I usually start at 1 just to stray from later confusion`
`15:54.23`	`KomischOo`	`ok`
`15:54.35`	`KomischOo`	`yeah thats what i do too`
`15:54.36`	`KomischOo`	`yeah`
`15:54.50`	`KomischOo`	`i do that for reasons`
`15:54.54`	`A1win`	`it's more confusing to start from 1 :P`
`15:54.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`for example if you start at one you can do stuff like, if Variable[x] > Variable[x-1]`
`15:55.15`	`KomischOo`	`tahts why i start at 10`
`15:55.18`	`A1win`	`yeah if you need that kind of stuff`
`15:55.19`	`KomischOo`	`easy.`
`15:55.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`if you start at zero you cant with an integer, :)`
`15:55.38`	`KomischOo`	`Anyways A1win whats the next steP? :P`
`15:55.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`I compare the previous one quite a bit in my map :) its how I made an entire forumla that would have taken an whole page, take 1 action :P`
`15:56.00`	`A1win`	`next step is to set the values in the Record variable when the dialog buttons are clicked`
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`15:56.25`	`KomischOo`	`ill need ur help on this one.. :/`
`15:56.31`	`A1win`	`Ground button is clicked: set RecordVariable[(Triggering player)].Ground = True`
`15:56.37`	`A1win`	`AiR button is clicked: set RecordVariable[(Triggering player)].Ground = False`
`15:56.42`	`A1win`	`*Air`
`15:57.08`	`A1win`	`(simplified)`
`15:57.56`	`A1win`	`Dialog Item clicked event -> if used dialog item == Ground button { ... } else if used dialog item == Air button { ... }`
`15:58.02`	`A1win`	`(or you can use a switch if you prefer)`
`15:58.04`	`A1win`	`and so on`
`15:58.13`	`KomischOo`	`is there an option " button clicked"?`
`15:58.43`	`A1win`	`Dialog Item Is Used`
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`15:58.49`	`A1win`	`you already have a trigger like that`
`15:58.55`	`KomischOo`	`bu tthats exactly how i did it before`
`15:58.56`	`KomischOo`	`isnt it?`
`15:59.08`	`A1win`	`yeah pretty much`
`15:59.28`	`A1win`	`but you set those values into the variable`
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`16:01.27`	`KomischOo`	`but this is a new trigger isnt it?`
`16:01.33`	`A1win`	`?`
`16:01.46`	`KomischOo`	`new trigger: event - dialog item used`
`16:01.57`	`A1win`	`you can do it in the old triggers if you clean them up, or make new ones`
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`16:02.48`	`Ashamed`	`Who wants to play on the best minecraft pe dedicatd server/ pretty much only one ;)`
`16:03.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`minecraft blows`
`16:03.37`	`KomischOo`	`+1`
`16:04.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT EDITOR FUCK FUCK FUCK`
`16:04.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`25 minutes of work down the drain -_-`
`16:05.14`	`A1win`	`KomischOo, are the units still spawning while the player is choosing new stuff with the dialogs?`
`16:05.23`	`A1win`	`or does it pause while selecting new ones?`
`16:05.48`	`KomischOo`	`it paused currenty but i dont want it to pause`
`16:05.49`	`KomischOo`	`^^`
`16:06.29`	`A1win`	`k, then you'll need another copy of the record array variable to use as a helper`
`16:06.31`	`Dogmai`	`~seen blizz-deletarius`
`16:06.31`	`purl`	`blizz-deletarius <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 48d 23h 54m 20s ago, saying: 'I believe it is possible, but I'm not exactly sure which actor message it is'.`
`16:06.34`	`Dogmai`	`~seen blizz-artestru`
`16:06.34`	`purl`	`blizz-artestru <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 24d 15h 26m 9s ago, saying: 'Kueken\|afk: If you have ever played an RTS probably not. But that doesn't mean some people won't find it the appropriate challenge.'.`
`16:06.38`	`Dogmai`	`~seen blizztensaris`
`16:06.38`	`purl`	`Dogmai: i haven't seen 'blizztensaris'`
`16:06.46`	`Dogmai`	`~seen blizztenarsis`
`16:06.46`	`purl`	`blizztenarsis <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 51d 13h 57m 38s ago, saying: 'going to go, cya tomorrow'.`
`16:06.52`	`Dogmai`	`.`
`16:07.06`	`A1win`	`so while a player is selecting new values, it stores those into the helper variables, and after he's done selecting all, the helper variables are copied to the actual variables`
`16:07.20`	`KomischOo`	`A1win, i could add that later couldnt i?`
`16:07.26`	`A1win`	`yeah`
`16:07.52`	`A1win`	`so do you understand now what you're supposed to do with the dialog button clicked triggers?`
`16:07.52`	`KomischOo`	`okay good`
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`16:08.00`	`Taintedwisp_`	`Dogmai http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1c593p/blizzard_and_the_custom_community/`
`16:08.03`	`Taintedwisp_`	`lol`
`16:08.14`	`Taintedwisp_`	`BLizz will be back soon to protect their ego.`
`16:09.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Nope.`
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`16:16.16`	`KomischOo`	`A1win how to I set a record variable oO`
`16:16.19`	`KomischOo`	`cant find it :(`
`16:16.28`	`A1win`	`what do you mean?`
`16:16.30`	`KomischOo`	`otherwise I think i understand it`
`16:16.50`	`KomischOo`	`if - used dialog item = Life[1]`
`16:16.52`	`Kubi`	`Lol`
`16:16.53`	`Kubi`	`JAde`
`16:16.55`	`Kubi`	`APply force rules`
`16:17.04`	`Kubi`	`You can still get out of the distruption field but it makes it hard`
`16:17.08`	`A1win`	`use the Set Variable action`
`16:17.14`	`KomischOo`	`then - set variable recordLife = 100`
`16:17.22`	`A1win`	`what's "recordLife"?`
`16:17.27`	`KomischOo`	`but the ones in the record arent lsited`
`16:17.54`	`A1win`	`did you create the global array variable with that record as its type?`
`16:18.22`	`A1win`	`the record itself is not a variable, it defines a new variable type`
`16:18.26`	`KomischOo`	`type -record, record :custom unit`
`16:18.35`	`Taintedwisp_`	`https://soundcloud.com/temp0/temp0-imogsprime`
`16:18.40`	`KomischOo`	`and the record iself is named custom unit`
`16:19.10`	`A1win`	`and you have a global variable of type "- Record: Custom Unit" ?`
`16:19.44`	`A1win`	`take a screenshot :P`
`16:20.16`	`KomischOo`	`i have 1 variable.. type: -record. Record: Custom unit. Array 8`
`16:20.22`	`A1win`	`alright`
`16:20.34`	`A1win`	`choose that to the Set Variable action`
`16:20.56`	`KomischOo`	`choose what`
`16:21.01`	`A1win`	`that variable`
`16:21.02`	`A1win`	`:P`
`16:21.05`	`A1win`	`what is it called?`
`16:21.14`	`KomischOo`	`custim unit`
`16:21.19`	`KomischOo`	`coustom unit`
`16:21.30`	`A1win`	`so you have a variable called "custom unit" of type "- Record: custom unit" ?`
`16:21.39`	`KomischOo`	`yeah`
`16:21.40`	`A1win`	`and is an array of size 8`
`16:21.43`	`A1win`	`k`
`16:21.46`	`KomischOo`	`y`
`16:21.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Kub, yep. Pretty cool. Though it's never been quite good enough for real physics, sadly.`
`16:21.57`	`A1win`	`so in the dialog button tgrigger, you have the Set Variable action`
`16:22.11`	`A1win`	`for the variable to set, choose that "custom unit" global variable`
`16:22.26`	`A1win`	`then it'll show something like "custom unit[Index].Member"`
`16:23.00`	`KomischOo`	`yeah`
`16:23.10`	`A1win`	`for Index, put Triggering player, and for Member, choose the variable in the record that you are setting`
`16:23.29`	`A1win`	`like "custom unit[(Triggering player)].Life = something`
`16:23.36`	`KomischOo`	`ok`
`16:23.37`	`KomischOo`	`got it`
`16:23.38`	`A1win`	`"`
`16:23.46`	`KomischOo`	`thx :)`
`16:24.03`	`A1win`	`do that for each of the dialog buttons`
`16:24.16`	`KomischOo`	`yup :D`
`16:24.22`	`A1win`	`and then the final step is to spawn the unit every 10 sec and read those variables and set them to the unit`
`16:24.24`	`KomischOo`	`sir yes, sir`
`16:24.27`	`A1win`	`in less than 4k rows :D`
`16:24.33`	`A1win`	`in 5 rows or so`
`16:24.36`	`KomischOo`	`never it will be moar`
`16:24.38`	`KomischOo`	`i can feel it`
`16:24.38`	`KomischOo`	`:D`
`16:25.05`	`Taintedwisp_`	`What the fuck this makes no sense -_-`
`16:25.38`	`A1win`	`oh it'll be more than 5 because if statemens use so many rows`
`16:25.42`	`A1win`	`*statements`
`16:25.55`	`A1win`	`still haven't gotten used to this keyboard <.<`
`16:26.01`	`A1win`	`I need to write more with it`
`16:27.03`	`*** join/#sc2mapster ClayMuffin (18351cc8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.53.28.200)`
`16:27.05`	`ClayMuffin`	`Hello guys`
`16:27.36`	`ClayMuffin`	`Trouble I have playing a sound in the rigger module, sounds directly as assets and not sound data`
`16:27.38`	`ClayMuffin`	`Assets/Sounds/Uni/Events/TTychus03_TVInterference.wav`
`16:27.45`	`ClayMuffin`	`I can't get this to play`
`16:27.54`	`JademusSreg`	`You're supposed to play sound data.`
`16:27.56`	`ClayMuffin`	`Maybe I should just make a sound data for it`
`16:28.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`16:28.09`	`JademusSreg`	`As instructed previously. =D`
`16:28.11`	`ClayMuffin`	`I tough there would be a way to directly play assets in the trigger module`
`16:28.17`	`ClayMuffin`	`=-/`
`16:28.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Were that the case, I would have instructed differently, haha.`
`16:29.01`	`ClayMuffin`	`Ah :D`
`16:29.04`	`ClayMuffin`	`true indeed`
`16:30.46`	`Kueken`	`yeah, thats a universal constant. If Jade tells you to do it that way, it is either the only way possible or the best alternative. Always. Even if Chuck Norris disagrees.`
`16:30.52`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Ravonus (43874626@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.135.70.38)`
`16:30.58`	`Ravonus`	`TAINTED YOU BLOW`
`16:31.11`	`Ravonus`	`well anyone who likes minecraft i have created the first and best dedicated pocket edition servers`
`16:31.14`	`Ravonus`	`www.minepocket.com`
`16:31.22`	`Ravonus`	`we just revamped the site and its pretty bad ass`
`16:32.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Classy.`
`16:32.29`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Stranger (~whois@206-248-163-251.dsl.teksavvy.com)`
`16:32.40`	`Ahli`	`hmm any way to hide upgrades?`
`16:32.47`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't usually deploy sarcasm, but advertising warrants it.`
`16:32.51`	`Ahli`	`in leaderboard`
`16:32.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
`16:33.11`	`JademusSreg`	`consults the data.`
`16:33.45`	`Taintedwisp_`	`noone cares ashmaed`
`16:33.52`	`Taintedwisp_`	`MINECRAFT SUCKS!!!`
`16:34.02`	`Taintedwisp_`	`ITS ONE OF THE WORST TURDS EVER CREATED, i would rather go play superman 64`
`16:34.58`	`JademusSreg`	`I wonder if one can set a score count or value as invalid.`
`16:35.10`	`JademusSreg`	`And do you mean researching in progress?`
`16:35.43`	`Ahli`	`I mean having`
`16:35.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
`16:35.56`	`Ahli`	`leaderpanel shows a list of all upgrades you own`
`16:36.06`	`ClayMuffin`	`Minecraft was great when it started, it was a new and enjoyable gameplay experience`
`16:36.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Upgrade: Leader Priority.`
`16:36.14`	`ClayMuffin`	`then fame killed it`
`16:36.20`	`A1win`	`can anyone tell me how to use the gravitation formula to modify an object's velocity on each simulation frame D:`
`16:36.21`	`Ahli`	`so, I can't really use upgrades to control stuff in actors easily`
`16:37.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Dark Protoss Leader Priority is 0; test in game to confirm.`
`16:37.40`	`Ahli`	`0 shows`
`16:37.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm.`
`16:37.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Try -1?`
`16:38.00`	`JademusSreg`	`It's a valid value.`
`16:38.17`	`Ahli`	`testing`
`16:38.34`	`Ahli`	`I can't restart map in gameheart o0 crashes sc2`
`16:39.34`	`Ahli`	`still shows :S`
`16:39.40`	`JademusSreg`	`There's also Leader Alias value allows (None).`
`16:40.35`	`Ahli`	`if that won't work, I try -1 score`
`16:40.42`	`Ahli`	`but that shouldn't work :D`
`16:41.13`	`KomischOo`	`A1win set up all the items sued`
`16:41.15`	`KomischOo`	`used*`
`16:41.23`	`Ahli`	`:D`
`16:41.26`	`JademusSreg`	`There's also Icon. I wonder if it is "smart" enough to reject upgrades without icons.`
`16:41.37`	`Ahli`	`leader alias works`
`16:41.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Excellent.`
`16:41.47`	`Ahli`	`no it doesn't care about icon`
`16:41.55`	`Ahli`	`shows blue if it must`
`16:42.05`	`A1win`	`k, then make that periodic trigger (it could also be done in a more elegant way but periodic trigger will do just fine)`
`16:42.06`	`JademusSreg`	`No matter. Solution found. =D`
`16:42.28`	`Taintedwisp_`	`Why cant I texture select this stupid thor`
`16:42.29`	`Taintedwisp_`	`...`
`16:43.02`	`A1win`	`add a new local Integer variable to the trigger and call it "Iterator Player", which will be used in a loop that goes through each player`
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`16:44.20`	`KomischOo`	`created the integer^^`
`16:44.27`	`Taintedwisp_`	`ther eit goes...`
`16:45.32`	`Kubi`	`Anyone know the method of showing the placement model when the ability is on?`
`16:45.47`	`A1win`	`KomischOo, then add For Each Player In Player Group action, set the player as "Iterator Player" and player group as "Active Players"`
`16:45.53`	`Taintedwisp_`	`you could also do a model swap or crete teh model when its on`
`16:46.19`	`Ahli`	`sooo... altering decals dynamically for all units... I would use an actor macro with signal->textureSelectByID on Term (upgradeThatDeterminesDecalResearched)... then I can easily alter them via changing messages via trigger`
`16:46.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds about right.`
`16:46.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Though I'd just set the player decal directly.`
`16:47.06`	`A1win`	`KomischOo, do you only want to spawn units for players who are actually playing, or should it always spawn the units for all players even if they are not in the game?`
`16:47.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Depending on the circumstances.`
`16:47.09`	`Ahli`	`dynamically?`
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`16:47.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm, dunno if it can be done dynamically. Hadn't given it much thought.`
`16:47.53`	`Ahli`	`the only way I found for dynamically changing it is swapping decal texture`
`16:47.59`	`KomischOo`	`left players should stop`
`16:48.26`	`Ahli`	`triggers don't have player settings for decals and I can't catalog change the image used in devals`
`16:49.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, I see. Since it's part of the game attributes. it can't be modified directly through the API.`
`16:49.48`	`A1win`	`KomischOo, k, then add an If-Then-Else action inside that For Each Player loop, and add a condition to it that uses "Status Of Player" function to check that Status of Iterator Player == Playing`
`16:49.54`	`JademusSreg`	`In that case, splendid idea, Ahli.`
`16:49.57`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`16:50.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Any chance you'll release a demo on the approach?`
`16:50.32`	`Taintedwisp_`	`jademusSreg quick quesiton, If the texture is Thor_Cannons_Diffuse, which is the prefix and which is the trigger on substring?`
`16:50.32`	`JademusSreg`	`*of`
`16:50.35`	`A1win`	`KomischOo, and take a sc reenshot when you're done ;p`
`16:50.37`	`Ahli`	`would be funny if I made that working until rtschutter wakes up again :D`
`16:50.38`	`A1win`	`*screenshot`
`16:51.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Diffuse is the substring.`
`16:51.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Just because Thor_Cannons has an underscore doesn't mean it's any different.`
`16:51.40`	`Ahli`	`doesn't matter that much actually`
`16:51.43`	`KomischOo`	`A1win, http://www.xup.in/dl,17398717/A1win.png`
`16:52.01`	`A1win`	`yeah seems fine`
`16:52.08`	`KomischOo`	`w00t`
`16:52.09`	`Ahli`	`you could do "T" and "hor_Cannons"`
`16:52.16`	`Ahli`	`I believe`
`16:52.21`	`Taintedwisp_`	`kk thanks`
`16:52.28`	`Taintedwisp_`	`thats what I thought bu tit wasnt working`
`16:52.30`	`JademusSreg`	`It matters only insofar as convenience is concerned, when swapping multiple textures with the same root.`
`16:52.30`	`Ahli`	`I use "bo" and "dy" for body.tga`
`16:52.33`	`Taintedwisp_`	`I figured out my problem though`
`16:52.43`	`A1win`	`then inside that If-Then-Else, add another If-Then-Else and condition "custom unit[Iterator Player].Ground == True", that will check if it should spawn a marine or a medivac`
`16:52.48`	`Taintedwisp_`	`I had the slot set to the same and the first one was overridi ng the second`
`16:53.12`	`A1win`	`under that if-then-else, the "then" part should spawn a marine, and the "else" part should spawn a medivac`
`16:53.14`	`JademusSreg`	`If it's just one, whatever, but if you wanna swap the diffuse, emissive, spec, normal in one go, it's far more convenient to get the more precise substing. =D`
`16:53.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, substring.`
`16:53.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`16:53.39`	`Ahli`	`I don't have that stuff on my wow models :S so I can't use that`
`16:54.04`	`Taintedwisp_`	`i have the precise substring :P`
`16:54.18`	`Ahli`	`anyway, onwards, into the data editor writing validators and requirements o0`
`16:54.22`	`Taintedwisp_`	`it was the slot, I had all my textures set to main and my cannons needed head slot`
`16:54.52`	`A1win`	`KomischOo, did you say you have 8 different points you need to spawn stuff at?`
`16:54.59`	`KomischOo`	`yeah`
`16:55.11`	`A1win`	`KomischOo, this will only work for 1 point, but you can add the rest later using another for loop`
`16:55.13`	`KomischOo`	`acutally it woudl be great to leave out the player that created the unit`
`16:55.16`	`KomischOo`	`but i dont think tahts possible`
`16:55.23`	`JademusSreg`	`points out the addition of Composite Portraits.`
`16:55.26`	`A1win`	`all units always belong to a player`
`16:55.35`	`*** join/#sc2mapster sharf (~sharf@stu-237-155-171-184.champlain.edu)`
`16:55.42`	`Ahli`	`composite portraits?`
`16:55.51`	`Kubi`	`TaintedWisp_`
`16:55.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Actor.`
`16:55.56`	`Ravonus`	`i can tell you guys minecraft is not dead as 10 million people own the minecraft PE app and i am pretty sure my website is going to be able to make me a full income this year`
`16:56.00`	`Kubi`	`TaintedWisp_`
`16:56.08`	`Ahli`	`what's making it special?`
`16:56.23`	`Ahli`	`what's the max level of upgrade that works?`
`16:56.29`	`Ahli`	`still 107?`
`16:57.06`	`Kubi`	`http://imgur.com/r3d8gAP <-- Incinerate's stream last night`
`16:57.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Rav, it demonstrates a lack of tact on par with spam bots to go about advertising in other, entirely unrelated channels.`
`16:57.18`	`KomischOo`	`done`
`16:57.29`	`A1win`	`wanna show another screenshot? ;p`
`16:57.37`	`KomischOo`	`ehm`
`16:57.42`	`KomischOo`	`always. xD`
`16:57.51`	`KomischOo`	`all units are spawned for player 9 that perfect`
`16:57.56`	`Ahli`	`that bright green... I can't read that name`
`16:58.18`	`KomischOo`	`but what i was asking for is leave out always the spawning spot of the layer hat has created the unit`
`16:58.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Ahli, I haven't tinkered with them yet, and I don't use upgrades, so I cannot recall.`
`16:58.46`	`A1win`	`KomischOo, huh?`
`17:00.02`	`KomischOo`	`aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh`
`17:00.10`	`KomischOo`	`punsh me in my face`
`17:00.21`	`KomischOo`	`jsut forgot to mention is small thing`
`17:00.23`	`twodie`	`MAP NIGHT`
`17:00.26`	`twodie`	`ANYONE UP FOR THAT?`
`17:01.03`	`Dustin`	`Ravonus, I don't have the pocket edition`
`17:01.05`	`KomischOo`	`after creating the unit it spawns to the player who created it. As soon as he killed it the unit spawns for every other player but him.`
`17:01.12`	`Dustin`	`But I made an account on ur site`
`17:01.26`	`KomischOo`	`(its also okay of it spawns to every player)`
`17:01.28`	`Dustin`	`I like the style of the site too, very slick`
`17:02.25`	`A1win`	`KomischOo, that exact unit or the unit that the player has selected at that point?`
`17:03.11`	`KomischOo`	`unit spawns with the lfie and stuff he set -> he kills unit -> unit spawns for everybody with life and stuff`
`17:03.19`	`A1win`	`so if a player has spawned a medivac, then switches to spawning marines, then the medivac dies, should it spawn a medivac to every other player?`
`17:03.52`	`KomischOo`	`exactly`
`17:03.55`	`A1win`	`I think you can just read the values from the unit that died, so it can be done in a completely separate trigger and won't affect this one at all`
`17:04.14`	`KomischOo`	`wait`
`17:04.15`	`KomischOo`	`no`
`17:04.32`	`KomischOo`	`let me read ur sentence again`
`17:04.32`	`KomischOo`	`xD`
`17:04.37`	`A1win`	`x_X`
`17:05.37`	`A1win`	`well either way, just finish this trigger first`
`17:06.14`	`KomischOo`	`players spawned a medivac, he kills it -> spawn for everybody. Then creates marine using dialog -> still medivacs are spawning. When he kills he new created marine -> marines spawn`
`17:07.01`	`A1win`	`uh?`
`17:07.18`	`A1win`	`medivacs are spawning for who`
`17:07.25`	`A1win`	`be more specific please ;>`
`17:07.31`	`KomischOo`	`okay`
`17:08.07`	`twodie`	`Anyone for SC2 mapnight?`
`17:08.10`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Torhal (~torhal@c-71-207-224-241.hsd1.al.comcast.net)`
`17:08.57`	`KomischOo`	`Player creates a medivac with dialog -> Medivac spawns for him only -> player kills that medivac -> medivac spawn for everbody -> player creates a marine via dialog -> Marine spawns for him only while medivacs still spawn for everybody -> player kills marine -> medivacs don#t spawn anymore but marines for everybody`
`17:09.48`	`A1win`	`do you mean they spawn periodically for the others?`
`17:09.51`	`G0A`	`twodie maybe`
`17:10.28`	`KomischOo`	`periodically for everybody if player has killed the unit he created that only spawns once and for him`
`17:10.45`	`twodie`	`G0A fucking come! ITS FREAKING EMPTY!!! A LONELY! Sadest friday in SC2 mapnight sense for me it will be if noone comes..`
`17:11.19`	`A1win`	`so every 10 seconds, every player will get 1 unit he selected, and 1 unit from every ot her player based on what unit was the last one they owned that died?`
`17:11.52`	`A1win`	`or just those units from other players?`
`17:12.03`	`A1win`	`this is a very odd design btw :P`
`17:12.21`	`KomischOo`	`what means odd design?`
`17:12.23`	`KomischOo`	`:D`
`17:12.34`	`A1win`	`weird, strange, bizarre`
`17:12.43`	`KomischOo`	`crap :D`
`17:13.16`	`A1win`	`I don't mean it can't be done, it just doesn't sound like something one would expect a game to behave like`
`17:13.37`	`KomischOo`	`ehm`
`17:13.53`	`A1win`	`so does the unit that the player selects with the dialogs spawn only ONCE for him, and not periodically at all?`
`17:14.10`	`KomischOo`	`yes`
`17:14.14`	`Ravonus`	`Dustin go dl it or buy it 6 bucks ha`
`17:14.19`	`A1win`	`alright, then you need to change this a bit`
`17:14.20`	`KomischOo`	`and after he kills it its spawns periodicaly`
`17:14.37`	`A1win`	`what do you mean when "he" kills it?`
`17:14.43`	`A1win`	`do you just mean when the unit dies?`
`17:14.48`	`KomischOo`	`yeah sorry`
`17:15.00`	`Dustin`	`I already Own minecraft on the PC, dont wanna buy it again :P`
`17:15.11`	`A1win`	`how do you know which player tghe unit belongs to if all units are owned by player 9?`
`17:15.19`	`A1win`	`and how do players control them if they don't own them`
`17:15.44`	`Ravonus`	`;0 just dl it then`
`17:15.59`	`KomischOo`	`the place they spawn`
`17:16.01`	`Ravonus`	`full athentication is through the site`
`17:16.09`	`Dustin`	`Oh hell ya then`
`17:16.10`	`KomischOo`	`they dont control them its a td they are runners`
`17:16.19`	`A1win`	`k`
`17:16.37`	`A1win`	`so in that dialog trigger, you need to spawn the unit like you did before (makes more sense)`
`17:16.52`	`A1win`	`in the Record, add a variable called "Unit" and of type "Unit"`
`17:17.16`	`A1win`	`and when you spawn the unit in the dialogs, set the "custom unit[(Triggering player)].Unit" as that unit`
`17:17.26`	`Dustin`	`What version is the latest Ravonus?`
`17:17.49`	`Ravonus`	`0.6.1`
`17:18.04`	`Ravonus`	`Dustin i am pretty sure the site should start making 100+k in the next few months`
`17:18.29`	`Ravonus`	`Ima about to add mucho too it... including subscriber/etc ... and i am going to make it very hard to say no :)`
`17:18.34`	`A1win`	`and then make a Unit Dies trigger and in that trigger, you need to set the custom unit values for every other player than the player whose unit dies`
`17:18.43`	`A1win`	`so it gets a bit more complicated but can still be done with loops`
`17:18.58`	`A1win`	`but it'll probably take quite some time ;p`
`17:19.08`	`twodie`	`http://www.twitch.tv/day9tv`
`17:19.10`	`Dustin`	`Very cool, I'm a web developer too, do you do this professionally?`
`17:19.16`	`A1win`	`if I need to guide you with every step`
`17:19.25`	`Dustin`	`And how are you gonna handle serverload? Got a big cluster or something?`
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`17:19.50`	`KomischOo_`	`annoying..`
`17:19.59`	`KomischOo_`	`i couldnt follow what you said`
`17:20.03`	`KomischOo_`	`[19:16] <A1win> so in that dialog trigger, you need to spawn the unit like you did before (makes more sense)`
`17:20.05`	`KomischOo_`	`??`
`17:20.46`	`A1win`	`this will take a lot of time if I need to guide you through every step`
`17:21.20`	`twodie`	`Anyone for SC2 mapnight on EU?`
`17:21.20`	`KomischOo_`	`:(`
`17:21.22`	`Ravonus`	`dustin nope`
`17:21.26`	`Ravonus`	`its me and my brother in law`
`17:21.35`	`Ravonus`	`he is a software engineer so he is a BOSS and getting shit working`
`17:21.42`	`Dustin`	`Very cool`
`17:21.57`	`Ravonus`	`but we are both hoping to be quiting our jobs here soon`
`17:22.04`	`Ravonus`	`;) and we honestly don't think its impossable`
`17:22.36`	`Ravonus`	`10 million own the game... we are going to try to convince 5000 people to give us 30 bucks a year`
`17:22.42`	`KomischOo_`	`this irc..`
`17:22.48`	`Ravonus`	`;-0 Thats the first goal at list`
`17:22.53`	`Ravonus`	`least*`
`17:23.28`	`Ravonus`	`Web server is in Californa - Servers are at my house in Colorado`
`17:23.44`	`Ravonus`	`we have full sql sync between eachother - You log into the site... you can log into the servers`
`17:23.53`	`Ravonus`	`if you dont go to the site first.. the servers will reject your connection`
`17:24.35`	`Eagles_`	`KomischOo_ what's up with this IRC? :D`
`17:24.46`	`KomischOo_`	`it keeps droping me`
`17:24.50`	`KomischOo_`	`since today`
`17:25.21`	`KomischOo_`	`A1win what am I supposed to do now?`
`17:25.32`	`KomischOo_`	`try to figure anything out that workds for osme magic reason? xD`
`17:26.05`	`A1win`	`well we'd have to start from the beginning for the most part, some of what I told you can be re-used but all of it needs to be moved around`
`17:26.28`	`A1win`	`and it's more complicated than it originally would've been`
`17:26.44`	`KomischOo_`	`well i should give up on it i guess`
`17:26.53`	`A1win`	`I'd have to do all the work for you basically :P`
`17:27.10`	`A1win`	`which I'd do faster just by doing it in the editor itself, but I rather work on my own maps`
`17:27.21`	`KomischOo_`	`you ahve a point :(`
`17:27.23`	`Taintedwisp_`	`2THEY CALL ME DOCTER LOVE!!!`
`17:28.00`	`Ravonus`	`no they don't tainted`
`17:28.06`	`Ravonus`	`tainted you see mah sexy site`
`17:28.16`	`Ravonus`	`thats going to make me 100's of thousands of dollars`
`17:29.40`	`Taintedwisp_`	`minecraft is lame`
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`17:30.48`	`Ravonus`	`tainted i dont care if its lame`
`17:30.53`	`Ravonus`	`its going to make me a lot of money`
`17:30.59`	`Ravonus`	`mah wings have been ordred`
`17:31.01`	`Ravonus`	`going to lunch`
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`17:34.16`	`KomischOo_`	`thx for your time anyway A1win`
`17:36.02`	`A1win`	`KomischOo_, the basic idea is that you store the values for the units that are supposed to be spawned in the record variables, and then use for loops to read the variables and apply them to the units that were spawned`
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`17:36.44`	`KomischOo_`	`i think id actually be able to do all this stuff if you could finish that loop with me`
`17:37.15`	`KomischOo_`	`i understood the storing if i understnad the reading i think i can do it in like a wekk xD`
`17:37.16`	`KomischOo_`	`wekk`
`17:37.19`	`KomischOo_`	`week`
`17:37.47`	`A1win`	`well the loop was almost finished`
`17:38.01`	`A1win`	`you'd just add each of the Set Unit Stat = something after the ground/air check`
`17:38.30`	`KomischOo_`	`ill do one of them`
`17:38.39`	`KomischOo_`	`show it to u`
`17:38.39`	`KomischOo_`	`if its correct ill go on on my own`
`17:38.39`	`KomischOo_`	`:D`
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`17:38.50`	`A1win`	`Set spawned unit Life to custom unit[(Triggering player)].Life`
`17:38.53`	`A1win`	`and so on`
`17:38.58`	`KomischOo_`	`let me try :P`
`17:40.21`	`A1win`	`note, after the If-Then-Else where you check Ground, not inside it`
`17:40.47`	`KomischOo_`	`yeah`
`17:43.19`	`KomischOo_`	`http://www.xup.in/dl,12915150/A1win.png`
`17:43.42`	`A1win`	`uff you don't need to check the == Playing twice`
`17:43.51`	`A1win`	`eeeh no :D`
`17:43.58`	`KomischOo_`	`WHY`
`17:44.17`	`KomischOo_`	`okay tell me later. dinner time.`
`17:44.17`	`KomischOo_`	`xD`
`17:44.33`	`A1win`	`after that If-Then-Else action, you only put ONE LINE which is the Set Spawned Unit Life`
`17:44.45`	`A1win`	`and you don't set it to 100, you set it to Custom Unit[Iterator Player].Health`
`17:45.17`	`A1win`	`otherwise you'd have to check for every possible number and end up with a 4000 line trigger again`
`17:46.07`	`A1win`	`"if x is 1, set y to 1" "if x is 2, set y to 2" "if x is 3, set y to 3" and so on, would be much easier to just say "set y to x"`
`17:46.10`	`A1win`	`:P`
`17:47.28`	`Ahli`	`JademusSreg: it works`
`17:48.27`	`Ahli`	`I could improve it with a cap that checks for the owner of the unit's actor.`
`17:48.54`	`Ahli`	`right now it would check the list for both players updating the unit decals... nothing wrong with that, though`
`17:49.17`	`Ahli`	`btw, can we change textures per player?`
`17:49.51`	`Ahli`	`I don't think we can... but maybe someone tells me otherwise`
`17:54.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Neato.`
`17:54.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, you'll need to be more specific.`
`17:55.28`	`JademusSreg`	`But the short answer is yes.`
`17:58.18`	`Kubi`	`JademusSreg all I need is your ability and stukov is done`
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`17:58.54`	`JJJ_`	`Hello, I have taken the responsibility to edit the map called "The Star Strikers"--help?`
`17:59.11`	`JJJ_`	`I'm trying to show scores on the ground. There is a variable for keeping track of both team's scores.`
`17:59.42`	`JJJ_`	`My problem is that spectators cannot see the score unless they follow a player. My solution was to make a text tag on the ground, but I was only able to do that for global variables.`
`17:59.52`	`Ahli`	`what happened to payne?`
`18:00.00`	`JJJ_`	`If there can be any help towards showing the variables to the specs, please let me know.`
`18:00.04`	`JJJ_`	`Payne went on hitchhiking`
`18:00.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`How did you come into possesion of th emap star strikers?`
`18:00.17`	`JJJ_`	`I always had it.`
`18:00.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`oh alright :)`
`18:00.33`	`Taintedwisp`	`Just making sure you hadnt just ripped it off online :P`
`18:00.44`	`JJJ_`	`Oh no, I've been the uploader to EU server since 2010.`
`18:00.50`	`JJJ_`	`So, is there a way?`
`18:00.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`If you wanna display core on the ground a cool way, what I would do is use the number decals`
`18:01.12`	`Taintedwisp`	`and swap them out via triggers`
`18:01.14`	`Kubi`	`Not since after the accident.`
`18:01.32`	`JJJ_`	`Err... I forgot to mention, payne taught me the most basic parts of the editor and I'm basically illiterate in the editor.`
`18:01.34`	`Taintedwisp`	`I mean you COULD use a text actor too, but it wouldnt be as cool`
`18:02.23`	`JJJ_`	`I just need a solution at least for the moment--less complex the better.`
`18:02.54`	`JJJ_`	`So how do I use a variable that's not a global variable as a text tag?`
`18:02.54`	`Taintedwisp`	`in theory you would just create a text actor and swap the field for text depending on the number.`
`18:02.54`	`JJJ_`	`Field = ?`
`18:02.59`	`JJJ_`	`Text field?`
`18:04.21`	`JJJ_`	`Also, nice progress on your Diablo Ahli--I've played that with payne since it came out.`
`18:04.52`	`Taintedwisp`	`not text tag, text actor`
`18:04.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`text actor is in data`
`18:05.09`	`JJJ_`	`How do I insert the variable into the actor?`
`18:05.18`	`JJJ_`	`... or rather, where do I insert it?`
`18:05.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol. you might want to find a seasoned trigger editor who has some time to teach you a bit.`
`18:06.20`	`JJJ_`	`I just need the score variable to show up on another place than a dialog...`
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`18:07.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`a text actor would display on the group., but I would still use a decal, BUT with a decal it wouldnt show up on low settings`
`18:07.30`	`JJJ_`	`Ah, not an option then >_<`
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`18:08.01`	`JJJ_`	`Wouldn't it be simpler on triggers?`
`18:08.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`It would be in triggers...`
`18:08.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`;/`
`18:08.29`	`JJJ_`	`Wait, you just suggested actors.`
`18:08.38`	`JJJ_`	`... which is in data.`
`18:08.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`if you just do a text label though your going to lose a lot of control over it`
`18:08.47`	`JJJ_`	`Argh perhaps I'm too illiterate`
`18:08.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`f:P`
`18:09.03`	`KomischOo_`	`A1win, second attempt http://www.xup.in/dl,12737991/A1win.png`
`18:09.08`	`Taintedwisp`	`Okay do you have photoshop?`
`18:09.14`	`JJJ_`	`That's fine I just want a basic, simple text.`
`18:09.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`ok`
`18:09.30`	`A1win`	`KomischOo_, now it's not under the if-then-else that checks the Playing status`
`18:10.01`	`A1win`	`all 4 of those should be right after the if-then-else that checks ground`
`18:10.16`	`A1win`	`otherwise seems fine`
`18:10.37`	`KomischOo_`	`http://www.xup.in/dl,12767238/A1in.png`
`18:10.48`	`A1win`	`yeah`
`18:11.13`	`KomischOo_`	`finally xD`
`18:11.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`Perhaps you would be better to wait for payne to get back from hiking?. unless you wanna make a quick concept picture using a screenshot.`
`18:12.17`	`JJJ_`	`He's going to take almost a year to come back.`
`18:12.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`oh`
`18:12.37`	`JJJ_`	`http://i.imgur.com/fm0uMlb.png`
`18:13.00`	`JJJ_`	`As you can see there, I can only get global variables, while the triggers below the text tag have no problem with local variables.`
`18:13.12`	`Taintedwisp`	`Where it says no text, just convert integer to text`
`18:14.23`	`JJJ_`	`Where does it say "no text"`
`18:14.24`	`JJJ_`	`?`
`18:14.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`What? why would it be in a local variable? would you mind privately passing me the map so I can see what all you have so I can see how its set up and what the easiest course of action would be.`
`18:14.55`	`JJJ_`	`You have Skype?`
`18:14.56`	`JJJ_`	`Sure`
`18:16.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`yeah faintwolf`
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`18:19.54`	`gooose`	`so i m done with the general terrain now any solution with my missile problem other than very little terrain deformation?`
`18:20.50`	`G0A`	`haha NA has a map featured which doesnt exists:D`
`18:21.24`	`gooose`	`(launch a missile at a persistant and make it not affected by lowered terrain`
`18:21.49`	`gooose`	`@goa it does in EU afaik`
`18:21.59`	`gooose`	`has existed since launch`
`18:23.49`	`Zolden_`	`G0A: it's just a mirror of a situation when a map exist but not featured`
`18:24.03`	`G0A`	`:)`
`18:24.19`	`Ahli`	`hellbat has no decal... wtf blizzard? even ghost has one`
`18:24.36`	`Zolden_`	`actually if author updates the map, it will be "not exist" for a minute, and featured screen may not refresh`
`18:25.01`	`KomischOo_`	`A1win, sir ur trigger trys to acces an elemet past the array`
`18:25.22`	`G0A`	`anyway`
`18:25.24`	`G0A`	`http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9425568/Arcade_Highlight_Pimp_My_Footman-4_12_2013#c-8568327905`
`18:25.34`	`gooose`	`ohhh your not talking about the featured on the bnet site then?`
`18:25.38`	`gooose`	`oh you are ^^`
`18:25.46`	`A1win`	`KomischOo_, that's the player array, it's trying to spawn a unit for a player other than 0-6`
`18:26.04`	`A1win`	`KomischOo_, you should probably have Controller of Player == User check in addition to the status == playing check`
`18:26.12`	`Kubi_`	`Jademus`
`18:26.18`	`gooose`	`its on EU`
`18:26.34`	`KomischOo_`	`it spawns for player 9`
`18:26.41`	`G0A`	`Pff its another map that gets featured from Wednesday Night Sprite....`
`18:26.42`	`KomischOo_`	`whitch is deafault computer`
`18:26.43`	`gooose`	`3620 ratings`
`18:27.27`	`KomischOo_`	`so why is that a problem oO`
`18:28.43`	`A1win`	`KomischOo_, no I don't mean the owner, but the player it spawns it for`
`18:28.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, Kub?`
`18:29.19`	`A1win`	`http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/editor/gravity00002.jpg anyone wanna check if this seems correct? <.<`
`18:29.22`	`KomischOo_`	`but the status of other palyers is not playing so it shouldnt oo`
`18:29.43`	`A1win`	`is player 9 a User player?`
`18:29.50`	`KomischOo_`	`nope computer`
`18:30.03`	`A1win`	`ah, those are also Playing`
`18:30.04`	`KomischOo_`	`anyway`
`18:30.06`	`KomischOo_`	`ill jstu add another check`
`18:30.08`	`KomischOo_`	`shoudl work`
`18:30.13`	`A1win`	`so it's trying to access array index 9`
`18:30.24`	`A1win`	`and its last index is 6`
`18:30.31`	`KomischOo_`	`i see ill add anothe rcheck aanyway`
`18:30.40`	`A1win`	`so yeah if you have a Computer player you do need a check for controller`
`18:30.41`	`KomischOo_`	`why 6=`
`18:30.50`	`A1win`	`because you set it as 6`
`18:30.52`	`A1win`	`D:`
`18:30.55`	`KomischOo_`	`no i check wether player has a custom unit`
`18:31.12`	`KomischOo_`	`8 (hopeyfulyl)`
`18:31.58`	`KomischOo_`	`what if i told you iterator payler wasnt an array :D`
`18:32.15`	`gooose`	`NO solution with my missile problem other than very little terrain deformation? (launch a missile at a persistant and make it not affected by lowered terrain)`
`18:32.19`	`A1win`	`it's not supposed to be`
`18:32.21`	`A1win`	`it's an iterator`
`18:32.40`	`A1win`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iterator`
`18:32.54`	`KomischOo_`	`ahh yeah`
`18:33.10`	`KomischOo_`	`i love how you throw those articles at me :D`
`18:33.16`	`A1win`	`;p`
`18:33.19`	`KomischOo_`	`anyway my check shoudl solve the issue`
`18:34.12`	`Kubi_`	`Why isnt A1Win making 150k$/yr salary`
`18:34.32`	`KomischOo_`	`becasue he wastes to much time on me`
`18:34.34`	`JademusSreg`	`???`
`18:34.36`	`A1win`	`;x`
`18:34.44`	`A1win`	`I don't work :P`
`18:34.53`	`A1win`	`* I don't have a job`
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`18:37.12`	`Reaperguyver`	`Hello again`
`18:37.35`	`KomischOo_`	`well my check didnt solve the problem`
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`18:42.28`	`ClayMuffin`	`hum`
`18:46.14`	`KomischOo_`	`A1win you are doin some serious math in your triggers lol`
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`18:47.58`	`A1win`	`yeah except it's wrong :P`
`18:49.25`	`KomischOo_`	`aaahh i still dont get why the tirgger results in error`
`18:49.34`	`KomischOo_`	`ive done smth wrong i guess`
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`18:54.33`	`ClayMuffin`	`Crap got a nun functioning trigger and that pisses me off :D`
`18:54.45`	`ClayMuffin`	`Maybe someone can lend a hand`
`18:55.37`	`ClayMuffin`	`http://pastebin.com/cAB1ewx5`
`18:55.44`	`ClayMuffin`	`2 thing not working properlly`
`18:56.18`	`Dustin`	`Muffin`
`18:56.25`	`Dustin`	`Ill look at it but you have to do me a favour`
`18:56.39`	`Dustin`	`http://peeeq.de/gui.php?game=sc2`
`18:56.42`	`Dustin`	`Use that next time`
`18:57.04`	`ClayMuffin`	`ill try it right now`
`18:57.13`	`Kubi_`	`JademusSreg`
`18:57.37`	`Kubi_`	`You homo`
`18:57.42`	`ClayMuffin`	`holy shit thats a nice organiser`
`18:57.43`	`ClayMuffin`	`http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3092`
`18:57.47`	`JademusSreg`	`<3`
`18:57.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, wat?`
`18:57.50`	`ClayMuffin`	`way better than pastebin`
`18:57.54`	`Dustin`	`yup :D`
`18:58.20`	`Dustin`	`So what isnt working`
`18:58.42`	`ClayMuffin`	`This trigger uses a integer array(20) variable that assign each 20 integer with either the number 1, 2 or 3`
`18:58.46`	`ClayMuffin`	`This works well so far`
`18:58.50`	`KomischOo_`	`A1win what do I have to change to make it not error`
`18:59.03`	`ClayMuffin`	`but when I try to recall those number, it always give me 1, 2 or 3 but no variation`
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`18:59.15`	`ClayMuffin`	`like 1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1. or 2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2 or 3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3`
`18:59.28`	`ClayMuffin`	`the array should look like 1.2.2.1.1.1.3.1.2.2.1.1.1.1`
`18:59.37`	`ClayMuffin`	`nto always the same number`
`19:00.21`	`ClayMuffin`	`i made some debug tool and I can tell the array is well set up, but for some reason when I recall the array in this trigger I always end up with the same number again and again`
`19:01.08`	`ClayMuffin`	`in the trigger, the integer local variable is modified by +1 each time the trigger run, so technically it should get the right integer in the array`
`19:01.24`	`ClayMuffin`	`I sound overly confusing I guess`
`19:01.27`	`Kubi_`	`It's called a parser`
`19:01.29`	`Dustin`	`hmm`
`19:01.48`	`Kubi_`	`FUCK U DUSTIN`
`19:01.52`	`Kubi_`	`GIVE ME AN ABILITY IDEA`
`19:01.52`	`Kueken`	`ClayMuffin: the variable is local, that means a new instance is created for each execution of the trigger`
`19:01.56`	`Kubi_`	`ONE FOR LAB KERRIGAN`
`19:02.04`	`Kueken`	`so it will always be 1 in your example`
`19:02.20`	`JademusSreg`	`http://hastebin.com/ https://pastee.org/ http://ideone.com/ http://www.sc2mapster.com/paste/`
`19:02.42`	`ClayMuffin`	`1 shold be added to "local integerÉ each time the rigger run. No?`
`19:02.50`	`Kubi_`	`http://hastebin.com/repomiwige`
`19:02.54`	`ClayMuffin`	`Omg my typing is terrible`
`19:02.59`	`JademusSreg`	`is working on the ultimate.`
`19:03.03`	`Kueken`	`you would need a global variable for that`
`19:03.04`	`Kubi_`	`JADEMUS`
`19:03.07`	`Kubi_`	`GIVE ME A IDEA`
`19:03.13`	`Kubi_`	`I made the psi disruptor`
`19:03.18`	`JademusSreg`	`(After I piss brb)`
`19:03.32`	`Kueken`	`the whole point of a local variable is, that it is an independent instance for one execution of the trigger`
`19:05.02`	`Kueken`	`you can increment it within the action and it will work, but as soon as another instance of the trigger is executed, it will create a new instance for the local variable as well, with no relation at all to the one from the previous trigger execution`
`19:05.47`	`gooose`	`ok last attempt to make my map have nice terrain deformation: http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/38/40/how_to_make_the_visual_not_follow_terrain.SC2Map i need the missile to stay on the same height even if the terrain is lower at the target point. it needs to impact at a persistant`
`19:05.54`	`Kueken`	`A1win: article for a local variable, please :D`
`19:05.55`	`ClayMuffin`	`o`
`19:06.04`	`ClayMuffin`	`I get it`
`19:06.09`	`ClayMuffin`	`It reset`
`19:06.14`	`ClayMuffin`	`every time`
`19:06.17`	`KomischOo_`	`Easy question: Why does this trigger try to access an elemnt past the array http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3094`
`19:06.59`	`ClayMuffin`	`Ok I see why it'S not working`
`19:07.01`	`ClayMuffin`	`testing inbound`
`19:07.03`	`Kueken`	`how big is your array?`
`19:07.06`	`Kueken`	`KomischOo_:`
`19:07.20`	`Kueken`	`an array always starts at index 0`
`19:07.24`	`KomischOo_`	`what array?`
`19:07.25`	`ClayMuffin`	`but if A1 got this article on local variable, I would gladly read it`
`19:07.36`	`Kueken`	`so size 10 will result in index 0-9 being useable`
`19:07.45`	`A1win`	`Kueken, mmf?`
`19:07.55`	`Kueken`	`jk`
`19:08.04`	`A1win`	`Kueken, the GUI makes size 10 = 0-10`
`19:08.09`	`Kueken`	`it does?`
`19:08.11`	`A1win`	`yeah`
`19:08.21`	`Kueken`	`sorry then, no gui user here`
`19:08.23`	`gooose`	`yea`
`19:08.27`	`KomischOo_`	`were do i change thjis :D`
`19:08.33`	`gooose`	`i was confused when i first noticed that too ^^`
`19:08.53`	`Kueken`	`players may range from 0 to 16, I believe`
`19:08.56`	`gooose`	`used to fing java`
`19:08.56`	`KomischOo_`	`A1win why dont u anwer my quistion? :D u not the answer`
`19:09.03`	`gooose`	`player 16 is out of bounds`
`19:09.04`	`A1win`	`I don't know`
`19:09.12`	`gooose`	`0-15 will work`
`19:09.26`	`KomischOo_`	`you made it :O`
`19:09.36`	`A1win`	`:OOO my gravity works`
`19:09.43`	`Kueken`	`what dimensions does your Custom Unit array have?`
`19:09.45`	`KomischOo_`	`niiiice`
`19:09.47`	`gooose`	`funny considering that for each player in all players does actions for player 0- 16 and produces an out of bounds XD`
`19:09.58`	`KomischOo_`	`Kueken 1`
`19:10.15`	`Kueken`	`make it 16 then :)`
`19:10.25`	`Kueken`	`the size`
`19:10.33`	`Kueken`	`I may have misformulated`
`19:10.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Zoop.`
`19:10.43`	`KomischOo_`	`explain to me why please :D i wanna learn`
`19:10.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Kubi, wat you need?`
`19:11.01`	`Kueken`	`you iterate through all active players`
`19:11.15`	`Kueken`	`these are potentially the player numbers from 0 to 16`
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`19:11.54`	`Kueken`	`if your array has a size any smaller than 16, your trigger might potentially try to access an array slot that doesn't exist`
`19:12.05`	`KomischOo_`	`Didn solve the problem`
`19:12.41`	`Kueken`	`same for the Spawned Unit array ofc`
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`19:13.29`	`gooose`	`you cant adress player 16 via trigger directly (at least i failed at it in my 5 minute attempt before removing the for all players action :P)`
`19:13.29`	`Kueken`	`if that still doesn't work, print a text message showing the current value of the iterator in the loop`
`19:13.36`	`Reaperguyver`	`I'm back again >.<`
`19:13.59`	`Kueken`	`yeah, maybe there were only 0-15, not sure`
`19:14.09`	`Kueken`	`shouldn't matter for the problem at hand`
`19:14.16`	`KomischOo_`	`still didnt work`
`19:14.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Player 16 doesn't exist.`
`19:14.30`	`gooose`	`well i got an out of bounds when trying to adress player 16`
`19:14.51`	`Kueken`	`he doesn't try to, he just loops all active players :)`
`19:14.54`	`gooose`	`oh right out of bounds = past end of array`
`19:15.31`	`Kueken`	`anyway, KomischOo_, do you know how to print the value of a variable as a text message?`
`19:16.05`	`KomischOo_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:16.15`	`KomischOo_`	`or is that wrong?`
`19:16.17`	`Kueken`	`sounds about right`
`19:16.37`	`Kueken`	`do that as the first action in the loop`
`19:16.46`	`Kueken`	`so it will execute before the error occurs`
`19:16.55`	`ClayMuffin`	`it'S fixed`
`19:17.03`	`ClayMuffin`	`ty Kueken`
`19:17.12`	`Kubi_`	`but player 17 does exist`
`19:17.19`	`Kubi_`	`rememer that kiddo`
`19:17.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`19:17.23`	`Kueken`	`used a global now?`
`19:17.40`	`ClayMuffin`	`for my integer and the 2 booleans`
`19:17.40`	`JademusSreg`	`No, but good try. Better ruse would be to say player -1 exists.`
`19:18.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, Kub, wat you need?`
`19:18.15`	`gooose`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/38/40/how_to_make_the_visual_not_follow_terrain.SC2Map so is a ballisic mover possible?`
`19:18.25`	`KomischOo_`	`Kueken it prints:`
`19:18.26`	`KomischOo_`	`1`
`19:18.26`	`KomischOo_`	`9`
`19:18.46`	`Kueken`	`and then error?`
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`19:19.00`	`KomischOo_`	`yeah`
`19:19.21`	`Kueken`	`copy the declaration of your variables`
`19:19.28`	`Kueken`	`(if thats possible with gui)`
`19:19.51`	`Kueken`	`I want to see, if they are properly set up`
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`19:20.52`	`KomischOo_`	`whats this kueken`
`19:20.53`	`KomischOo_`	`xD`
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`19:21.53`	`gooose`	`try adding a condition to prevent values >15 from executing`
`19:22.39`	`gooose`	`so if iteratorplayer<=15 (and)`
`19:23.13`	`Kueken`	`well, it seems to fail at 9, so that doesn't seem to be the problem`
`19:24.07`	`gooose`	`is the text REALLY in front of the execution?`
`19:24.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, beware ZerusCryshalis model assets. They are quite good at crashing the editor.`
`19:24.47`	`KomischOo_`	`did what goose said didnt help`
`19:24.50`	`Kueken`	`good point, gooose`
`19:24.55`	`gooose`	`jade noone in their right mind uses hots models :)`
`19:25.11`	`JademusSreg`	`*chrysalis`
`19:25.27`	`KomischOo_`	`yeah i made first action text, second action wait 1 second and then loop`
`19:25.36`	`gooose`	`upload a screen of the error`
`19:25.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Noted.`
`19:25.59`	`KomischOo_`	`trying to access an elemt pass the array`
`19:26.00`	`KomischOo_`	`thats all`
`19:26.11`	`KomischOo_`	`and the name of the trigger`
`19:26.15`	`Kueken`	`KomischOo_: you have the text before the loop?`
`19:26.17`	`Kubi_`	`Gonna work on hero randomization triggers now`
`19:26.21`	`KomischOo_`	`yeah`
`19:26.28`	`Kueken`	`it should be the first action within the loop`
`19:26.35`	`Kueken`	`before the first if`
`19:26.36`	`KomischOo_`	`ohh`
`19:26.36`	`KomischOo_`	`xD`
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`19:26.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Kubi, wat is the thing which you were wanting?`
`19:27.23`	`KomischOo_`	`npw nothing is printed`
`19:27.38`	`Kueken`	`paste the current trigger`
`19:29.29`	`KomischOo_`	`it acutally prints 1`
`19:29.30`	`KomischOo_`	`http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3097`
`19:30.04`	`Kueken`	`move it in front of the if, not in the then part`
`19:30.15`	`Kueken`	`the display text`
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`19:31.47`	`gooose`	`i d place one in each :D but thats just me placing debugging stuff i ll simply disable everywhere :D`
`19:32.40`	`gooose`	`oh and i d deactivate all of the actions and then reenable one after another too see what line the error occurs in`
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`19:33.35`	`KomischOo_`	`liek this: http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3098?`
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`19:34.13`	`gooose`	`yea`
`19:34.46`	`KomischOo_`	`so its`
`19:34.47`	`KomischOo_`	`1`
`19:34.48`	`KomischOo_`	`9`
`19:35.25`	`Kueken`	`okay, so it works for 1 and fails for 9`
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`19:35.53`	`Kueken`	`that would suggest the size of your arrays is still <9`
`19:36.19`	`Kueken`	`can you copy the part where you set up your variables/record?`
`19:36.34`	`gooose`	`now just disable the last 6 actions and try again`
`19:37.05`	`gooose`	`then activate 2 more lines and try again until the error occurs again`
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`19:38.53`	`gooose`	`so you ll know what line is bugged`
`19:40.59`	`A1win`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpddUuSh6Sw`
`19:41.11`	`A1win`	`(stationary SCVs are planets, moving SCV is a space ship)`
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`19:41.45`	`SaVi`	`A1win, why? XD`
`19:41.54`	`A1win`	`why what?`
`19:41.57`	`KomischOo_`	`I dont egt the point of thy`
`19:41.58`	`KomischOo_`	`this`
`19:42.09`	`SaVi`	`or another question: HOW?!!?!? XD`
`19:42.23`	`A1win`	`it's script based gravity simulation`
`19:43.12`	`A1win`	`http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/editor/gravity00004.jpg`
`19:44.19`	`gooose`	`~log`
`19:44.19`	`purl`	`All conversations are logged to http://purl.rikers.org/%23sc2mapster/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily.`
`19:44.24`	`SaVi`	`PlanetMass? What are you going to create :O`
`19:44.52`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:47.40`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:50.46`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:51.33`	`KomischOo_`	`Kueken, http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3099`
`19:51.35`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:52.26`	`gooose`	`~bored`
`19:52.26`	`purl`	`La ... lalalala ... beer!`
`19:52.36`	`gooose`	`~~`
`19:52.40`	`gooose`	`~`
`19:52.42`	`Taintedwisp_`	`~purl is a whore`
`19:52.52`	`gooose`	`~fuck purl`
`19:53.00`	`SaVi`	`~gkdasgndasfpasd`
`19:53.08`	`gooose`	`~gooose`
`19:53.08`	`purl`	`[gooose] a water-dwelling avian specimen with 3 testicles.`
`19:53.31`	`gooose`	`~taintedwisp`
`19:53.31`	`purl`	`i heard taintedwisp is a niggerjew`
`19:53.41`	`gooose`	`eeeeeew`
`19:53.47`	`gooose`	`can soneone kick the racist pls`
`19:54.40`	`SaVi`	`~kick purl`
`19:54.40`	`purl`	`ACTION kicks purl`
`19:54.47`	`SaVi`	`Done.`
`19:55.14`	`gooose`	`~throw purl out`
`19:55.14`	`purl`	`ACTION winds up and throws purl out over the moon.`
`19:55.27`	`gooose`	`~leave channel`
`19:55.32`	`gooose`	`~stop logging`
`19:55.32`	`purl`	`ACTION leaps to his feet and stops logging`
`19:55.51`	`gooose`	`i guess chatbots dont do real commands`
`19:55.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Er, wat?`
`19:56.20`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:00.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, I'm not paying attention. Busy.`
`20:00.55`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:04.25`	`ClayMuffin`	`Is it possible for a unit to walk on a bridge doodad? Or does only unit bridge have path able footprints?`
`20:04.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`20:05.17`	`SaVi`	`The first solution sounds nice^^`
`20:05.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Walkability is defined by the asset. Pathability is defined by the footprint.`
`20:06.00`	`ClayMuffin`	`ok`
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`20:06.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Additionally, 2.0.4 added Boosted Cliff Level and Boosted Height fields to correct the side effects of bridges being on lower cliff levels.`
`20:07.15`	`JademusSreg`	`That interacts with the footprint to determine the effective vision and height of a unit in the footprint.`
`20:08.19`	`ClayMuffin`	`I should ask another question... Whats the difference between walkability and pathability?`
`20:08.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, assets that support walkability planes are the exception, rather than the rule, but you can check for walkability from the Cutscene editor.`
`20:09.09`	`ClayMuffin`	`k`
`20:09.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Walkability is the property that makes units walk over a model rather than through it.`
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`20:09.57`	`ClayMuffin`	`So i guess all bridge are defined as walkable in the cutscene editor`
`20:11.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Walkability is defined in the asset. The check, you can enable Render > Geometries > Walkability, Physics volumes, and such, but if the plane is not on the surface, you won't notice it.`
`20:11.15`	`Taintedwisp_`	`hmmm I wonder why I cant get these cannons to texture select ;/`
`20:11.56`	`JademusSreg`	`To be certain, select the model in the (by default) bottom left frame, Shift D / Show Model Data, and look for the walkable plane there.`
`20:13.21`	`Taintedwisp_`	`yo kueken you got a minute?`
`20:13.27`	`JademusSreg`	`But yeah, most bridges have walkability. And a number of the hots versions of old models also have defined physics bodies and walkability planes, which can be made to function like one another.`
`20:13.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Assuming you don'`
`20:14.14`	`JademusSreg`	`*don't want to disable it, I can safely skip that explanation.`
`20:14.41`	`KomischOo_`	`Is there a way to set a unit variable to be 10 units that are all treated like there woudl be only one?`
`20:14.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Unitgroups.`
`20:14.52`	`JademusSreg`	`bbl`
`20:14.55`	`KomischOo_`	`no unit group variable`
`20:14.56`	`KomischOo_`	`jsut unit`
`20:15.10`	`ClayMuffin`	`Yea you can skip :), ty for the explanation`
`20:15.12`	`JademusSreg`	`(Obviously that doesn't make sense.)`
`20:15.17`	`JademusSreg`	`(bbl++)`
`20:15.32`	`KomischOo_`	`i know but woudl ahve been great..`
`20:19.06`	`ClayMuffin`	`Some strange stuff, the mar sara vertical bridge got a footprint, but not the horizontal one...`
`20:19.15`	`ClayMuffin`	`Why would that be?`
`20:21.02`	`Taintedwisp_`	`Hey Zolden_ you there?`
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`20:23.54`	`Taintedwisp_`	`yo jademusSreg you know much about texture select by id?`
`20:24.16`	`tordy`	`hey wassup dudes and dudettes`
`20:24.45`	`JademusSreg`	`(I make use of it, so probably. But am busy, atm.)`
`20:24.54`	`Taintedwisp_`	`no matter what I do, or what I try http://i.imgur.com/kcdl7qn.jpg is all that i get`
`20:25.40`	`Kubi_`	`TaintedWisp you've been working on that map for an awfully long time`
`20:25.44`	`Kubi_`	`isnt it time.. for you to let go`
`20:25.51`	`Zolden_`	`Taintedwisp_: yea?`
`20:27.48`	`Kubi_`	`Hey Zolden`
`20:27.49`	`Kubi_`	`This is for you`
`20:27.50`	`Kubi_`	`http://i.imgur.com/B42yEiC.jpg`
`20:28.26`	`twodie`	`:O`
`20:28.27`	`twodie`	`racist`
`20:28.41`	`twodie`	`niggas will be black!!!!!!!!! FOREVER!!!!`
`20:28.51`	`Kubi_`	`TWODIE`
`20:28.52`	`twodie`	`unless you are MJacson`
`20:28.53`	`Kubi_`	`Isnt it time`
`20:29.00`	`Kubi_`	`to let go of your age of empires map`
`20:29.44`	`Zolden_`	`:))`
`20:29.48`	`tordy`	`who's doing an AoE map?`
`20:29.51`	`Kubi_`	`You commist fuck`
`20:29.52`	`tordy`	`who!?`
`20:30.05`	`twodie`	`Kubi_ isnt its time to go to do better things to do than doing shit in SC2 map maker?`
`20:30.45`	`A1win`	`mmh, 300 units start to lag my gravity script already`
`20:31.14`	`A1win`	`and that's with only 2 planets`
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`20:31.19`	`tordy`	`anyone here play PoE?`
`20:31.23`	`Kubi_`	`Twodie, lol sc2 map maker`
`20:31.34`	`Zolden_`	`A1win: optimize it, 200 shouldn't`
`20:31.38`	`Zolden_`	`300`
`20:31.38`	`twodie`	`LOL`
`20:31.39`	`Kubi_`	`and no`
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`20:31.40`	`twodie`	`ROFL`
`20:31.40`	`Kubi_`	`because`
`20:31.41`	`twodie`	`OMG`
`20:31.42`	`Kubi_`	`Becuase`
`20:31.45`	`twodie`	`ITS SO FUNNY!`
`20:31.47`	`Kubi_`	`I have to beat incinerates map`
`20:31.51`	`Kubi_`	`thats my whole goal in life`
`20:31.54`	`Kubi_`	`because hes a fuckstick`
`20:31.59`	`A1win`	`Zolden_, but it calculates gravity for all of those units towards all plants`
`20:32.04`	`A1win`	`2D gravity`
`20:32.09`	`A1win`	`*planets`
`20:32.31`	`Zolden_`	`how many planets?`
`20:32.36`	`A1win`	`just 2 atm`
`20:32.38`	`Kubi_`	`lol`
`20:32.42`	`Kubi_`	`LOL`
`20:32.44`	`A1win`	`but I want more`
`20:32.47`	`Kubi_`	`EEL O EEL`
`20:33.00`	`Zolden_`	`so, it's like 600 units and 1 planet`
`20:33.15`	`Zolden_`	`still shouldn't lag`
`20:33.25`	`A1win`	`what do you mean shouldn't?`
`20:33.58`	`A1win`	`there are some sqrt and several multiplication operations done for each unit for each planet`
`20:34.03`	`A1win`	`well, one sqrt`
`20:34.15`	`A1win`	`and some dividing`
`20:34.29`	`tordy`	`dam`
`20:34.33`	`Zolden_`	`optimize`
`20:34.48`	`A1win`	`how ;[`
`20:34.56`	`Zolden_`	`lemme see the script btw`
`20:35.13`	`A1win`	`mmh actually the fps drops probably come from just having all those 300 units in one place`
`20:35.23`	`A1win`	`removed 1 planet and fps seems the same`
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`20:36.24`	`Zolden`	`A1win: yea, spread the calculation`
`20:36.26`	`A1win`	`http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/editor/gravity00005.jpg`
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`20:37.23`	`Zolden`	`i think if you will update the speed of each unit once in 2 seconds and split all units between 32 calculation rounds, it will feel better`
`20:37.45`	`A1win`	`obviously, but 2 seconds is a long time`
`20:39.23`	`Zolden`	`A1win: they will still move with the priviously calculated speed, no one will feel it is updated once in 2 sec`
`20:39.45`	`Zolden`	`also, remove sqrt, and do the distance < 2500 check`
`20:39.57`	`A1win`	`how do I remove the sqrt though?`
`20:40.07`	`A1win`	`there's distance < 50 check already`
`20:40.23`	`A1win`	`oh right it's before that already`
`20:40.25`	`A1win`	`:x`
`20:40.30`	`A1win`	`oops`
`20:40.36`	`Zolden`	`yea :)`
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`20:41.15`	`egod`	`BANK FILE QUESTION BANK FILE QUESTION`
`20:41.54`	`egod`	`How to catch a player doing ALT+F4 ?`
`20:43.14`	`Kubi`	`what do u mean`
`20:43.26`	`Kubi`	`if they quit the game? you want to subtract points right?`
`20:43.27`	`Zolden`	`egod: do you plan to write something to players bank after you catched his alt + f4?`
`20:43.40`	`egod`	`yeah like there is`
`20:43.47`	`egod`	`3xtype of quiting`
`20:43.48`	`Ahli`	`egod, save periodically`
`20:44.01`	`egod`	`Quit // Restart // And Alt+F4`
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`20:44.16`	`Ahli`	`I'm saving every few seconds and you don't notice that while playing`
`20:44.22`	`Ahli`	`and I'm saving a lot`
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`20:44.44`	`egod`	`hm`
`20:44.59`	`Ahli`	`also when he leaves ;)`
`20:45.03`	`Ahli`	`you can't do more`
`20:45.10`	`Zolden`	`A1win: what's tempDistance ^ 3? power?`
`20:45.11`	`Ahli`	`unless you save after every change`
`20:45.21`	`egod`	`how to you catch a guys who alt+f4 his starcraft2 ?`
`20:45.36`	`A1win`	`Zolden, yeah x^3 = xxx`
`20:46.08`	`SaVi_`	`^^`
`20:46.33`	`SaVi_`	`so x^4 = xxx*x ? are you sure? :D`
`20:46.40`	`egod`	`Ahli this mean, when he get xp, or equip a item, or drop a item or trade a item or whatever action, you save?`
`20:46.40`	`A1win`	`yeah`
`20:47.03`	`SaVi_`	`but... but what would x5 be?!`
`20:47.45`	`A1win`	`bananas`
`20:48.10`	`SaVi_`	`CORRECT ANSWER`
`20:48.26`	`Ahli`	`no, I'm saving every few seconds in random invervals`
`20:48.46`	`egod`	`errr`
`20:48.50`	`Zolden`	`A1win: so, after you removed sqrt, change "^3" to "^1.5"`
`20:48.54`	`egod`	`doesnt lag?!?!`
`20:48.59`	`Kubi`	`I love efukt.com`
`20:49.09`	`A1win`	`Zolden, that's still sqrt`
`20:49.10`	`Ahli`	`no`
`20:49.20`	`A1win`	`Zolden, x^1.5 = x*sqrt(x)`
`20:49.22`	`Kubi`	`egod, I recommended subtracting points away until the match is finished.`
`20:49.22`	`Ahli`	`it will lag if you use starcode`
`20:49.39`	`Repo`	`Updated wiki entry: Projects / Packaging an Addon - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/projects/packaging-an-addon/`
`20:49.53`	`A1win`	`but yeah I'll change it to that`
`20:50.02`	`egod`	`hm`
`20:50.28`	`Zolden`	`(x^2)^1.5 = x^(1.5 * 2) = x ^ 3`
`20:50.42`	`A1win`	`Zolden, yeah I know`
`20:51.26`	`egod`	`ok ahli will try some stuff, thx for info`
`20:51.32`	`A1win`	`but I don't think x^1.5 is any more effective than sqrt(x) * x^3`
`20:51.36`	`Zolden`	`A1win: why didn't you use vectors? i think you calculate not gravity, but something strange`
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`20:51.59`	`Zolden`	`A1win: well, i thought you removed sqrt`
`20:52.00`	`A1win`	`I do use vectors, I've just split them into x and y components`
`20:52.16`	`A1win`	`Zolden, you can't remove sqrt from that`
`20:52.27`	`A1win`	`x^1.5 = sqrt(x) * x`
`20:53.11`	`Zolden`	`copy the galaxy code of that action, replace the action with a custom script, paste the code, remove sqrt`
`20:53.25`	`A1win`	`mmh?`
`20:53.38`	`A1win`	`I mean of course you can remove the use of the sqrt function`
`20:53.47`	`A1win`	`but replacing it with ^ 1.5 won't make it any more effective`
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`20:56.40`	`A1win`	`I think this FPS drop comes more from those units being in one place rather than from the gravity script`
`20:57.01`	`Zolden`	`alright, test`
`20:57.14`	`Zolden`	`do ships have mass?`
`20:57.23`	`A1win`	`not at the moment`
`20:57.31`	`A1win`	`it doesn't affect to their gravitational pull anyway`
`20:57.48`	`A1win`	`it only affects how much the ship pulls the planet / other ships`
`20:57.59`	`A1win`	`so it's only planets pulling stuff now`
`20:58.05`	`Zolden`	`yea, right`
`20:58.37`	`A1win`	`I replaced SCVs with spheres and FPS went up drastically`
`20:59.01`	`A1win`	`perfectly fine with 300 units and 2 planets atm`
`20:59.22`	`A1win`	`I guess it was the SCV collisions that made it slow`
`20:59.55`	`A1win`	`with 500 units it drops quite a bit but after they move far enough it's fine again`
`21:00.19`	`A1win`	`ah, and actually rendering them is one thing that drops fps`
`21:00.21`	`Zolden`	`maybe you need to remove collision?`
`21:00.29`	`A1win`	`yeah I did, using the Sphere unit atm`
`21:00.42`	`A1win`	`and it seems fine with 500 units and 2 planets`
`21:01.16`	`Zolden`	`if you wnat to use more planets, you can create a tricky thing`
`21:01.18`	`A1win`	`if I stagger that to like 4*0.0625 seconds, I can get more units than is healthy anyway`
`21:01.34`	`A1win`	`oh right need to test with more planets`
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`21:03.15`	`A1win`	`seems fine with 500 units and 4 planets too`
`21:03.58`	`Zolden`	`what about 500 units and 50 planets?`
`21:05.43`	`A1win`	`I'll need to add scripted collision checks too, though, so that I can stop units from going inside planets`
`21:05.49`	`A1win`	`ship to ship collisions can be done with data`
`21:06.13`	`A1win`	`500 units 50 planets -> fps = 2 :P`
`21:06.46`	`A1win`	`and that was CPU lag since it remained the same even when not looking at that part of the map`
`21:06.50`	`Zolden`	`if you will have alot of planets, you can use a virtual planet which will be placed in the middle of all planets, and have summ of masses of all planets. So, ship will be always affected by gravity of that virtual planet, and other normal planets, which are closer then, say, 20 (instead of 50). Will not be as precise, but still precise enough, and will save alot of cpu time`
`21:07.22`	`A1win`	`500 units 10 planets gives me 9 fps`
`21:07.25`	`Kubi`	`zolden y u not in america making the monies and getting the bitches`
`21:07.45`	`Zolden`	`Kubi: one day I will`
`21:07.53`	`Kubi`	`no you wont`
`21:07.55`	`Kubi`	`this is murica`
`21:07.59`	`Kubi`	`we dont want the red scare here`
`21:08.01`	`A1win`	`Zolden, nah there won't be that many planets, it'll be an arena type of game`
`21:08.17`	`A1win`	`something like 5-8 I'd imagine`
`21:08.35`	`Zolden`	`just need to finish my ai researches so US corporations want me`
`21:10.17`	`Zolden`	`A1win: another method is creating a grid and each object will be calculated within its local subgrid`
`21:12.18`	`A1win`	`mmm`
`21:12.26`	`A1win`	`I'll keep that in mind`
`21:12.56`	`A1win`	`but I think this will be just fine, especially if I stagger it like into 0.25 sec intervals instead of 0.0625`
`21:13.20`	`Zolden`	`yea`
`21:22.52`	`A1win`	`Zolden, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRkIFdnM3-M`
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`21:23.35`	`Taintedwisp`	`just realized my chat froze over an hour ago -_-`
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`21:25.09`	`Zolden`	`A1win: cool`
`21:25.12`	`KomischOo`	`A1win, sorry to ask you again, but why isnt this working?`
`21:25.26`	`KomischOo`	`http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3100`
`21:25.35`	`Zolden`	`i like huge real life multiagent imitations`
`21:25.43`	`Zolden`	`it's what computers were made for`
`21:26.02`	`Zolden`	`Taintedwisp: i realize it once a day ;/`
`21:26.25`	`A1win`	`KomischOo, the usage of variables makes absolutely no sense`
`21:26.59`	`KomischOo`	`lol why?`
`21:27.03`	`A1win`	`like why is your Spawned Unit array two dimensional`
`21:27.10`	`A1win`	`IteratorPlayer in that trigger is always 0`
`21:27.19`	`A1win`	`and it isn't used for anything`
`21:27.34`	`A1win`	`other than to referring to Spawned Unit array index [0][something]`
`21:28.49`	`KomischOo`	`its two dimensional`
`21:28.58`	`KomischOo`	`so i can spawn 8 of them`
`21:29.10`	`A1win`	`oh`
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`21:29.23`	`A1win`	`you could just put it into the Custom Unit record`
`21:29.27`	`A1win`	`but anyway`
`21:29.29`	`KomischOo`	`which works perfect`
`21:29.31`	`KomischOo`	`it works`
`21:29.37`	`KomischOo`	`every 10 seconds`
`21:29.40`	`KomischOo`	`but not like this`
`21:29.42`	`KomischOo`	`and i dont get why`
`21:29.48`	`A1win`	`the Iterator Unit variable makes no sense in that trigger`
`21:30.01`	`A1win`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e3O_Sson0s`
`21:30.05`	`KomischOo`	`how can i make it sensefull then?`
`21:30.10`	`A1win`	`<.<`
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`21:32.20`	`A1win`	`gah, it doesn't even make sense to have that trigger`
`21:32.58`	`A1win`	`as I said before, it'd take too much time to guide you through the entire design step by step`
`21:33.09`	`A1win`	`and apparently you're not taking it to the right direction on your own`
`21:33.32`	`KomischOo`	`crap.. ill jsut keep on trying`
`21:33.34`	`KomischOo`	`;D`
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`21:38.45`	`Zolden`	`one either keep trying or keep crying`
`21:39.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`21:41.31`	`KomischOo`	`siwtched to crying now ;D as i dont get the problem`
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`21:41.35`	`A1win`	`mmh I need to calculate the angle between a ship's direction vector and its distance vector towards nearby planets to be able to allow ships not collide with planets when they are leaving them D:`
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`21:41.49`	`A1win`	`damn vector maths`
`21:44.12`	`Zolden`	`"collide with planets when they are leaving them"?`
`21:44.43`	`A1win`	`I mean if a ship is sitting on a planet, the script needs to stop the ship from moving so that it doesn't sink into the planet`
`21:44.58`	`A1win`	`but when the ship gets a movement vetor that points away from the planet, it needs to start moving again`
`21:45.55`	`A1win`	`or maybe I'm thinking this in a weird way ;p`
`21:46.25`	`A1win`	`maybe I shouldn't be "stopping" the ship in the first place, but applying counter-force to it`
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`21:47.07`	`A1win`	`or something`
`21:49.16`	`KomischOo`	`i ahte my lfie`
`21:49.24`	`KomischOo`	`dat tpying skills`
`21:49.43`	`A1win`	`you're just making a way too complex design as your ~first programming exercise`
`21:49.56`	`KomischOo`	`its not onyl my first - but my only`
`21:50.17`	`A1win`	`that is a problem`
`21:50.56`	`A1win`	`it's like going to perform a surgery on a patient and saying "I'm not a doctor but this will be my only surgery I ever perform so it's fine, just give me instructions"`
`21:51.34`	`KomischOo`	`but failing my triggers like i nearly always do doenst kill people`
`21:55.57`	`KomischOo`	`mhh`
`21:56.15`	`A1win`	`is there some simple way to calculate the poin at which a vector intersects the perimeter of a circle?`
`21:56.20`	`A1win`	`*point`
`21:59.01`	`Zolden`	`A1win: you mean points? there are always 2 or 0 points`
`21:59.36`	`A1win`	`the vector has start and end point`
`21:59.53`	`A1win`	`I mean how do I check if a ship collides with a planet`
`22:00.03`	`Zolden`	`oh, right`
`22:00.09`	`A1win`	`I can easily check if the ship is inside the planet or would move inside the planet in the next frame`
`22:00.20`	`A1win`	`but how do I check the point where it collides`
`22:00.55`	`A1win`	`or I guess it's circle-circle collision`
`22:01.27`	`A1win`	`damn these algorithms seem complex ;p`
`22:02.16`	`Zolden`	`condition of "no collide" is that perpendicular from planet center to the vector is greater then planet's radius`
`22:02.34`	`A1win`	`yeah that's simple`
`22:02.49`	`Zolden`	`but if it's less then radius, it won't guarantee, that there is no collision`
`22:03.19`	`A1win`	`what do you mean?`
`22:04.36`	`Zolden`	`i meant perpendicular to vector's line, so it polanet's center is laying on vector's line, vectorr may be outside of its radius stilll`
`22:04.57`	`Zolden`	`it -> if`
`22:08.22`	`Zolden`	`ok, i think the proper condition is: distance(center, vector start) > planet radius AND distance(center, vector start) > planet radius AND perpendicular to vector line from center > planet radius.`
`22:08.28`	`Zolden`	`this will guarantee no collision`
`22:08.36`	`Zolden`	`otherwise -> yes collision`
`22:09.07`	`A1win`	`still not sure what you're talking about :P`
`22:09.22`	`A1win`	`collision happens if ship is touching the planet, that's simple`
`22:09.45`	`A1win`	`but to get the exact point where the ship touched the planet's surface is not simple since the time interval is not infinitely small`
`22:10.00`	La`Tisha	`A1win, you hate me, you sexy man`
`22:10.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Zoop`
`22:10.55`	`A1win`	`but it's probably good enough that if a ship's next position would be inside a planet, the ship's movement vector is set to 0`
`22:11.20`	`A1win`	`and the ship is moved to the planet's surface`
`22:11.23`	`A1win`	`instead of inside the planet`
`22:11.43`	`A1win`	`just offset the position by planet's radius towards the direction where that position is`
`22:11.55`	`A1win`	`it'll get a bit off if the ship was moving very fast, but hopefully not too much`
`22:12.07`	`A1win`	`unless someone has a better idea ;p`
`22:12.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Whatever works. Galaxy is limited, so it's a question of how much arbitrary precision is worth.`
`22:12.59`	`Zolden`	`A1win: well, i think it's a good enough precision if you catch the fact that shit collided with planet on actual cycle, you just assume that collision point is "radius from center towards the collided ship"`
`22:13.13`	`A1win`	`Zolden, yeah`
`22:13.16`	`Zolden`	`lol, shit -> ship`
`22:13.19`	`A1win`	`haha`
`22:13.23`	`A1win`	`shit just hit the fan`
`22:13.30`	`A1win`	`abort, abort`
`22:13.40`	`Zolden`	`:))`
`22:15.45`	`Zolden`	`I think I had this kind of precision in my arcanoid map, and it looked natural (and the ball moved faster than your ships)`
`22:16.09`	`A1win`	`woot it works`
`22:16.40`	`A1win`	`next step is to allow thrusting a ship with mouse`
`22:20.49`	`A1win`	`haha if the planets are close enough, nearby planets make the ships roll on the surface`
`22:22.34`	`A1win`	`but first another video`
`22:25.01`	`Zolden`	`yea!`
`22:26.03`	`A1win`	`ugh, upload is very slow for some reason`
`22:29.39`	`A1win`	`or not working at all -.-`
`22:31.57`	La`Tisha	`Kueken, A1win hates me. =(`
`22:32.33`	`A1winvihaaja`	`Vihaajat menevat vihaamaan`
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`22:48.08`	`Taintedwisp`	`Been foolin with textures today http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain100_zps26f24e2d.jpg`
`22:49.43`	`Taintedwisp`	`So i decided to just default texture select 10 units for bosses, thats how its going so far(archon aside)`
`22:49.52`	`Kueken`	`Lajla: happens`
`22:50.17`	`Kueken`	`hey, you needed help earlier?`
`22:50.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`me?`
`22:50.38`	`Kueken`	`yes, I think`
`22:50.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yeah, THe thors cannon on his back wont texture select, I have tried all 3 ways, and nothing works`
`22:50.46`	`Kueken`	`you highlighted me, right?`
`22:50.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`I have checked and double checked everything`
`22:51.15`	`Kueken`	`okay, which are the textures you want to swap into?`
`22:51.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`I duplicated my textures and reimported them so the same files wont be used`
`22:51.22`	`Kueken`	`ok`
`22:51.24`	`Zolden`	`maybe those cannons are from a different actor?`
`22:51.39`	`Kueken`	`nope, I retextured them successfully earlier`
`22:51.54`	`Taintedwisp`	`you wanna see the map kueken?`
`22:51.58`	`Kueken`	`since some patch, you need to use the prefix`
`22:52.02`	`Kueken`	`do you use one?`
`22:52.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`yeah`
`22:52.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`I use the correct one I double checked it`
`22:52.27`	`Kueken`	`and the thor cannons need you to specify the entire name of the texture`
`22:52.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`That was on eof the 3 ways I tried`
`22:53.00`	`Kueken`	`because you cannot identify them with just the prefix, because cannons and body use same prefixes and substrings`
`22:53.09`	`Kueken`	`okay, then show me the map`
`22:53.50`	`Ahli`	`o0 editor tries to load mods and fails doing it`
`22:54.08`	`Taintedwisp`	`give me just a few minutes i havent updated the mod in a while so the file itself is a bit large.`
`22:54.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`(7 mbs)`
`22:54.21`	`Kueken`	`:D`
`22:54.23`	`Ahli`	`I'm trapped in the download popup`
`22:55.08`	`Taintedwisp`	`the unit the texture select is used on is called Boss - Tyr`
`22:55.41`	`Kueken`	`k`
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`23:05.33`	`A1win`	`mmh now I have mouse controlled thrusting for a ship, but it feels like it's way too easy to accelerate outside the solar system D:`
`23:06.36`	`A1win`	`gravity diminishes too quickly :P`
`23:06.40`	`A1win`	`maybe my planets are too smal`
`23:06.43`	`A1win`	`*small`
`23:06.51`	`Kueken`	`:D`
`23:07.06`	`Kueken`	`too much realism is bad for gameplay`
`23:07.27`	`A1win`	`mmm`
`23:07.59`	`Eagles_`	`Anyone know the why there's 20 indexes in the "Info Field" of my Pawn Ability?`
`23:08.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Defaults. It supports up to that limit.`
`23:08.36`	`Kueken`	`thats the default for many abilites`
`23:08.51`	`Eagles_`	`ah`
`23:08.55`	`Kueken`	`train has the same limit`
`23:08.59`	`Kueken`	`+i`
`23:10.52`	`Eagles_`	`Then that's probably not the problem, anyone know why my Potion (Cost 250) with 2 charges is only returning 1 mineral per sell, but all my other items (same pawn ability) return the correct fraction of 25%? :D`
`23:11.22`	`A1win`	`I wonder how I should change the gravity to make it better`
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`23:11.43`	`Kueken`	`other items also have charges?`
`23:12.04`	`Eagles_`	`yeah it works with another with charges`
`23:12.23`	`A1win`	`I guess just decrease the exponent on the divisor...`
`23:12.33`	`Kueken`	`A1win just make values adjustable ingame and change them around until you are satisfied :D`
`23:12.57`	`Kueken`	`Eagles_: Then I have no idea :)`
`23:13.02`	`A1win`	`hehe`
`23:18.09`	`Ahli`	`wow, records are terrible`
`23:18.17`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`23:18.27`	`Ahli`	`can't copy sh*t from one map to another when variable of a record is used...`
`23:18.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, yes. well known bug.`
`23:18.42`	`Ahli`	`both maps got the same records, but I can't copy code in GUI using that variable`
`23:19.06`	`Ahli`	`any way around that existing?`
`23:19.46`	`JademusSreg`	`If you'll pardon a bit of self-indulgent obnoxiousness, as a scripter I don't have that issue. =D`
`23:20.12`	`JademusSreg`	`But no, there's no direct solution. But you can try putting it all in a library.`
`23:20.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Then export the library, import to the new map.`
`23:21.17`	`JademusSreg`	`So long as the library's internal references are consistent, it -might- work.`
`23:21.37`	`JademusSreg`	`By which I mean both the record and everything using it.`
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`23:21.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Pile it all into the same library.`
`23:23.24`	`A1win`	`oh right the distance between planets affects a lot`
`23:24.57`	`A1win`	`damn these values are hard to get right ;p`
`23:26.26`	`A1win`	`I guess I should be using bursts of thrusting for the ship rather than a long continous thrust`
`23:27.18`	`A1win`	`so that you more like hop from planet to planet rather than "fly"`
`23:29.37`	`A1win`	`ah now it's feeling better`
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`23:53.33`	`A1win`	`yay now the ships don't roll around on the surface of planets`

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