| 00:04.04 | Taintedwisp | TEST YOUR MIGHT |
| 00:05.20 | sharf | this debugging is worseless |
| 00:05.29 | sharf | it doesn't even agree with what is actually happening |
| 00:05.32 | yukaboy | Lavaaa Craaab! |
| 00:06.45 | yukaboy | Pylon Poowerr AAAiid! |
| 00:07.04 | yukaboy | Bananaa! |
| 00:07.49 | yukaboy | Tainted Whip Creeeeam! |
| 00:08.05 | yukaboy | A play of words...Taintedwisp... |
| 00:08.57 | yukaboy | Chargelot legs are chicken legs to zerglings |
| 00:08.59 | yukaboy | yum |
| 00:12.04 | yukaboy | Reminds me of zergling burgers, the map that never came to be, by zeldarulez... |
| 00:18.20 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 00:22.15 | sharf | so....starcraft can't handle 0.02? can only do 0.0195? |
| 00:27.05 | Taintedwisp | suck it |
| 00:27.17 | sharf | and now it's broken again...the fuck |
| 00:28.10 | Eagles | hey peeps, how does one get this library window talked about here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cS29vJDSzYs#t=106s |
| 00:30.57 | sharf | so sc2 is going to pick it's own decimal values...and I have to just suck it up and deal with it, correct? |
| 00:42.31 | Ahli | eagles, view -> show libraries |
| 00:43.14 | Eagles | ahhhh ty |
| 00:47.55 | Bounty | Looks like i'm not finishing this map before i leave JademusSreg, we leave 2morrow lol |
| 00:50.45 | yukaboy | Lava Craaab! |
| 01:00.32 | JademusSreg | (That's a good thing. Take your time to make it awesome, maaan.) |
| 01:01.02 | JademusSreg | (But send me the most current. =D ) |
| 01:02.02 | sharf | I hate fixed point |
| 01:06.17 | yukaboy | Impalers are so op... |
| 01:08.06 | sharf | impalers? |
| 01:09.56 | sharf | oh the lurker variant |
| 01:10.05 | yukaboy | Yeah... |
| 01:10.13 | sharf | eh I didn't like them |
| 01:10.25 | Ahli | =/ my shield models don't seem to like halos |
| 01:10.40 | yukaboy | Some people do |
| 01:10.55 | yukaboy | They like the fact that 20 or so kill everything on the ground from siege tank range |
| 01:11.06 | yukaboy | they're basically zerg siege tanks |
| 01:11.27 | yukaboy | Without splash damage of course... |
| 01:15.17 | yukaboy | The lulz... |
| 01:15.18 | yukaboy | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/terrain/50938-the-goddamn-weekly-terraining-exercise-121-michael/#p12 |
| 01:22.17 | Ahli | http://snag.gy/d9TIq.jpg what's wrong with the halo? :X |
| 01:25.26 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 01:25.47 | JademusSreg | That's neato. |
| 01:26.12 | SaVi | Hey guys |
| 01:26.17 | JademusSreg | Could it be an issue with a material or bounding sphere?> |
| 01:27.59 | JademusSreg | Does it do the same when selected in the cutscene editor? |
| 01:28.16 | Ahli | yes :S |
| 01:28.29 | JademusSreg | So it's an asset issue, certainly. |
| 01:28.54 | Ahli | it's not the bounding sphere I believe |
| 01:29.02 | JademusSreg | Which portion of the model is highlighted as you rotate it? |
| 01:32.56 | Ahli | well, worst case is: http://snag.gy/9qPDh.jpg |
| 01:34.25 | JademusSreg | Wireframe mode? |
| 01:35.08 | Ahli | http://snag.gy/Yw8iz.jpg |
| 01:35.09 | JademusSreg | Are there any angles from which the highlight glow is eclipsed entirely? |
| 01:36.05 | Ahli | bounding sphere: http://snag.gy/zhWoI.jpg |
| 01:36.17 | JademusSreg | That's bizarre. I was expecting an obvious geometry problem. |
| 01:36.58 | Ahli | http://snag.gy/YXGa8.jpg |
| 01:37.41 | Bounty | Remember JademusSreg, if you hear about a plane crash around Korea or Japan in the next 2 weeks you know its me, so tell my tale |
| 01:37.48 | Bounty | Make me famous |
| 01:37.48 | JademusSreg | Will do. |
| 01:38.05 | SaVi | Is it possible to get into the selection mode of a "Target"-Ability via Trigger Editor? |
| 01:38.09 | Bounty | I'm kinda pissed i can't take Valium with me though haha |
| 01:38.19 | Bounty | Would be nice for the flights |
| 01:39.13 | JademusSreg | Savi, you mean force selection so the targeting shit appears for the player? As one could in Wc3? |
| 01:39.47 | SaVi | Imagine you click on the Button in the Command Card and now the Ability wants you to click on the ground to set the Target Point |
| 01:39.56 | JademusSreg | Ahli, what materials and textures are wrapped there? |
| 01:40.12 | JademusSreg | I wonder if the emblem is obscuring it. |
| 01:40.23 | SaVi | Getting this phase triggered by the Trigger Editor |
| 01:40.40 | JademusSreg | Yes, which is what I said, haha. |
| 01:41.05 | SaVi | I dont know that much about the wc3 Editor but it sound like that what I mean^^ |
| 01:42.13 | SaVi | Is it possible?^^ |
| 01:43.28 | Ahli | http://snag.gy/AlLM4.jpg that's the only material used for the shield |
| 01:44.15 | Ahli | sc2 can now detect going into the targeting mode, but it can't trigger it |
| 01:45.24 | JademusSreg | Correct. |
| 01:45.55 | JademusSreg | Which is to say it's not doable, Sav. |
| 01:46.13 | JademusSreg | But for what purpose do you need this? |
| 01:46.30 | Bounty | I wonder if i should change the music JademusSreg |
| 01:46.34 | Bounty | to be more horror like |
| 01:47.02 | Bounty | like maybe get rid of the stalk music and leave in the appearance music and add in ambience |
| 01:48.12 | SaVi | :( |
| 01:48.51 | SaVi | At the moment my unit is triggering the ability to the position of a dummy which gets teleported to the mouse coordinates every 0.0625 seconds when the player moves his mouse |
| 01:49.26 | SaVi | In the Battle net its a bit "imprecise". So I wanted to start this mode and let the data editor do the rest |
| 01:50.49 | JademusSreg | Er. |
| 01:51.24 | Bounty | and dont worry Jade |
| 01:51.29 | Bounty | I am getting rid of the opening cutscene |
| 01:51.42 | Bounty | are you completely against any and all dialog though? |
| 01:51.59 | Bounty | like, should i just have the objectives being displayed be the only dialog? |
| 01:53.16 | JademusSreg | I'd try to make it as pure as possible. It's best with interface simplicity. |
| 01:54.21 | Bounty | So no dialog at all, just the objectives being the only text in the game? |
| 01:55.50 | JademusSreg | Ideally, it looks best in my mind if all the information is environmental. |
| 01:56.58 | Bounty | But like |
| 01:56.59 | JademusSreg | Sav, what is your design? What experience are you trying to bring about? |
| 01:57.02 | Bounty | how do i explain the rescue mission haha |
| 01:57.15 | JademusSreg | See? Stuck on those missions, man. |
| 01:57.46 | Bounty | ? |
| 01:57.58 | SaVi | JademusSreg what do you mean? |
| 01:59.37 | JademusSreg | Sav, there's a design, an approach, and an implementation. The design should be something you can explain to someone by way of describing the experience. |
| 02:00.29 | SaVi | In simple explain my map?^^ |
| 02:00.46 | JademusSreg | Most implementation problems are from unclear designs and unworkable approaches. So we start from the design and find the approach and implementation. |
| 02:01.00 | JademusSreg | And no, not the entire map. |
| 02:02.04 | JademusSreg | The issue with making a targeting whatever. |
| 02:03.23 | SaVi | Its just the Battle.net doesnt like WASD-Movement or Mouse-Movement detection and I'm trying to find solution/improvings to improve the Game feeling |
| 02:04.07 | JademusSreg | Bounty, I mean don't get attached to stuff. If the missions undermine the experience, gotta modify how one thinks of the objectives or replace them, rather than compromise the experience. |
| 02:04.22 | Bounty | How about this Jade |
| 02:04.30 | Bounty | The first objective is fine |
| 02:04.35 | Bounty | help me come up with the second lol |
| 02:04.52 | Bounty | oh wait no |
| 02:04.53 | Bounty | i know |
| 02:04.56 | Bounty | i can keep the rescue |
| 02:05.05 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 02:05.10 | Bounty | just make it so once u get inside that area the objective is to look for help :) |
| 02:05.47 | SaVi | My first goal was to let the Turret of a Unit (currently the Hellion Turret) turn with the Players mouse.. Thats why there is a Dummy teleported to the Mouse of the Player. The Hellion is attacking it alltime. I dont think there is another soltion for this, isnt it? |
| 02:06.28 | SaVi | Not my best english :/ |
| 02:09.41 | SaVi | The idea behind this is creating a 2v2v2v2 arena map where always 2 player are controlling a Unit. One of them is Driving it and the other one Shooting. |
| 02:10.28 | SaVi | The special thing about this map should be the fact that you have to work in a team |
| 02:20.08 | SaVi | still not what you wanted to hear? |
| 02:26.40 | SaVi | ah lol ^^ he isnt even there xD |
| 02:33.23 | Bounty | Im getting rid of the stalk music JademusSreg |
| 02:33.28 | Bounty | I think it gives to much of a heads up |
| 02:45.58 | yukaboy | Anyone need something designed or do you need any ideas? |
| 02:46.21 | yukaboy | I'm in the mood to design right now. |
| 02:50.48 | SaVi | Different Missile Weapons for a missile based arena game? :D |
| 02:51.17 | Taintedwisp | 1 ability is completed :) |
| 02:52.24 | yukaboy | What style of missiles are launched? |
| 02:52.37 | yukaboy | is it target based or ground targets with aoe? |
| 02:52.56 | yukaboy | action rpg or mmo rpg style? |
| 02:53.53 | SaVi | They have a Point as a Target and usually fly to the max range (beyond the target Point) |
| 02:55.05 | SaVi | "usually" ^^ I just have on linear flying missile |
| 02:55.43 | yukaboy | First type I have for you is simple, fast, but low damage, straight |
| 02:55.52 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 02:56.14 | SaVi | ye that matches to my first missile currently implented |
| 02:56.29 | SaVi | wb |
| 02:58.02 | yukaboy | Second is one is heat seeking, so it will attempt to turn towards targets that are nearby, but it turns so slow that if it goes past its target, it won't turn fast enough before it gets out of heat seeking range |
| 02:58.49 | SaVi | slow turning rate but high speed you mean? |
| 02:59.58 | yukaboy | Third will detonate after 2-5 seconds or when it hits a unit; it will then launch 8 more missile projectiles out at 0 degrees, 45 degrees, 90 degrees, etc |
| 03:00.01 | yukaboy | yes |
| 03:00.56 | SaVi | mhh but each of them with less damage |
| 03:01.13 | SaVi | a nice idea :D |
| 03:02.33 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 03:02.37 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 03:02.40 | Bounty | i just got rid of the stalk music |
| 03:02.43 | Bounty | let me tell you |
| 03:02.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster adfad (70d6cbd9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.214.203.217) |
| 03:02.50 | Bounty | im afraid to test my own map now |
| 03:02.54 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:02.55 | adfad | scourge no fly zone |
| 03:02.56 | Bounty | its that much more tense |
| 03:02.59 | Bounty | esp for me |
| 03:03.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:03.03 | yukaboy | Fourth will detonate after 3 or so seconds by itself; if it hits a target, it will deal a lot of damage, but do nothing else; if it auto detonates, it will create 10 or so mini missiles that randomly move towards nearby enemies, these mini missiles are fast and turn fast, but die out after 2 seconds even if they don't hit a target |
| 03:03.07 | adfad | scourge walks through all no fly zone. |
| 03:03.12 | adfad | how do i block path |
| 03:04.12 | SaVi | mhh maybe not following enemy players but shooting in each direction |
| 03:04.22 | yukaboy | Fifth is a mini nuke, if it hits a target, it will create a small nuclear explosion around it, damaging all enemies in that area and doing radiation poison damage over x seconds after it |
| 03:04.27 | Bounty | oh and ur gonna love the new intro jade |
| 03:04.31 | Bounty | :) |
| 03:04.44 | adfad | hey |
| 03:04.50 | adfad | help me |
| 03:05.20 | JademusSreg | Hey, take the time to learn how to use the editor. |
| 03:05.24 | adfad | can i block air units without no fly zone icon? |
| 03:05.28 | JademusSreg | Learn how shit works. |
| 03:05.40 | adfad | learn what? |
| 03:05.48 | adfad | scourge walks through all no fly zone |
| 03:05.56 | adfad | i learned no fly zone blocks air unit |
| 03:06.06 | yukaboy | Sixth one shoots 2 rockets instead of 1; these missiles move kind of like banshee missiles; they wiggle around randomly while they move and therefore are a bit difficult to dodge, but you could get lucky |
| 03:06.15 | adfad | is there any way to block scourge? |
| 03:06.26 | SaVi | haha nice idea, yea :D |
| 03:07.05 | adfad | hello |
| 03:07.31 | JademusSreg | It's not magic. Look at the data, tinker and test, form a mental model of how it works by observing correlations between configurations of data and experience. |
| 03:07.48 | yukaboy | Seventh, it shoots 3 missiles in rapid succession, but even better, they auto target enemies and while you're moving |
| 03:07.53 | SaVi | sometimes it feels like magic^^ |
| 03:08.24 | SaVi | yukaboy you sound like you would write a advertising about these missiles :D |
| 03:08.28 | adfad | what do you mean? i didnt change anything of scourge |
| 03:08.39 | adfad | and the collide is fly |
| 03:08.49 | yukaboy | I enjoy designing |
| 03:08.54 | yukaboy | if you need more ideas, ask |
| 03:08.56 | adfad | they are blocked for seconds and they walk through no fly zone because they are so small |
| 03:09.12 | JademusSreg | Like, "Oh, SS_Scourge isn't the same as Scourge, I used the wrong shit. And I see they use different values, the SS_Scourge doesn't have collision flags, that explains how the fuck it's not stopped by no-air blockers. Haha, I'm such an idiot." |
| 03:09.17 | adfad | i dont mean they just walk through blockers |
| 03:09.17 | SaVi | Continue if you want ^^ I wont stop you ;) |
| 03:10.06 | adfad | it is scourge not ss_scourge |
| 03:10.39 | yukaboy | Eighth is a cool one, it moves forward a couple inches, then stops and picks a random target, then shoots really fast towards that target |
| 03:10.56 | SaVi | mhh like the raven missile |
| 03:11.01 | yukaboy | Yea |
| 03:11.15 | adfad | scourge has collision flag |
| 03:12.13 | adfad | i think broodlings also walk through blockers |
| 03:12.16 | yukaboy | Ninth, the missile moves slowly forward for 5 seconds and over the course of that time it shoots a missile in a random direction every 0.1 seconds that deals a small amount of damage, then the big missile explodes and does medium aoe damage |
| 03:12.31 | adfad | anyone knows other way to block air units? |
| 03:13.27 | JademusSreg | Or how about "Why do no-fly zones have two spheres? Oh, I see, that's the inner and outer radius, the inner radius is completely impassable, I should make that bigger." |
| 03:13.36 | SaVi | each of these are a challenge :D |
| 03:13.55 | yukaboy | I didn't say I have easy to make ideas |
| 03:14.07 | yukaboy | want more simple ones? |
| 03:14.19 | SaVi | wasnt what I wanted to say ^^ |
| 03:14.37 | SaVi | I will accept the challenge :D |
| 03:15.16 | SaVi | The data editor is really mighty and its not good to only know the trigger editor.. I have to train the Data editor too |
| 03:15.30 | SaVi | and such missiles I think are a great way to learn it |
| 03:15.37 | yukaboy | Plasma Missile: creates an area of plasma around where it explodes, this deals damage and slows enemies to anyone in that area (only explodes if it hits an enemy |
| 03:16.05 | SaVi | can be used for my Immortal |
| 03:17.16 | adfad | can't i customize the shape of no fly zone? |
| 03:17.25 | adfad | like long line? |
| 03:17.36 | yukaboy | Bomb Filled Missile: when it hits a target and expodes, it creates several bombs at random points near where it exploded; these bombs wait and explode after 3 seconds, punishing those who stay too long |
| 03:17.42 | adfad | ball shape isnt convenient for me |
| 03:17.59 | SaVi | called "The Punisher bomb" :D |
| 03:18.02 | SaVi | xD |
| 03:18.08 | yukaboy | makes sense lol |
| 03:18.46 | adfad | its round shape is too big |
| 03:18.47 | yukaboy | have you watched iron man 2? |
| 03:18.53 | yukaboy | just a simple question |
| 03:19.02 | SaVi | ye |
| 03:19.56 | adfad | can anyone customize the shape of no fly zone or other way to block air unit like long rectangle? |
| 03:19.58 | SaVi | but dont remember that much |
| 03:20.30 | yukaboy | The Ex-Wife: epic mini missile that takes 10 seconds to charge-up; it launches insanely fast and has 100% turn rate (always hits); it hits that target and bounces off of it and continues bouncing until it hits 10 target, then dies; each target hits takes a tiny bit of damage |
| 03:22.08 | JademusSreg | Spiraling missile. Boomarang missile. Missile that fires beams. Missile that can be caught with a beam. A pair of missiles with a beam between them. A missile that catches and drags enemy units with it. |
| 03:22.13 | SaVi | lol, this weapon would be tooooooooo overpowered xD |
| 03:22.36 | yukaboy | it takes 10 second chargup and deals very little damage lol |
| 03:22.57 | adfad | i think long rectangle unit blocker would be better than no fly zone path blocker? |
| 03:23.21 | SaVi | mhhh |
| 03:23.28 | adfad | air unit can block air unit? |
| 03:23.41 | adfad | is there some wall |
| 03:23.46 | yukaboy | how about a missile that gets bigger as it goes, like it swells up, giving it a higher chance to hit the longer it goes |
| 03:24.42 | SaVi | mhhh |
| 03:25.05 | SaVi | sounds interesting |
| 03:25.06 | yukaboy | and a missile that makes a trail of fire behind it, dealing damage to enemies that enter that area |
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| 03:25.28 | SaVi | THIS^^ is a great idea yea |
| 03:25.29 | Bounty | Almost ready for a test if you want in JademusSreg |
| 03:25.32 | Bounty | :) |
| 03:25.36 | yukaboy | a missile that heads forward, explodes, and then heads in the opposite direction |
| 03:26.34 | JademusSreg | Almost. |
| 03:26.39 | JademusSreg | Back in 10-15. |
| 03:26.40 | yukaboy | Want me to keep ranting on missiles? |
| 03:27.45 | SaVi | There are a many great ideas |
| 03:28.10 | SaVi | But I wont be able to build everyone of them in the game |
| 03:28.15 | yukaboy | I feel if I keep going, you won't be able to remember enough |
| 03:28.26 | yukaboy | :) |
| 03:28.30 | SaVi | I copied them in a editor document ;) |
| 03:28.36 | yukaboy | nice |
| 03:29.27 | yukaboy | Ooooh, you know what? |
| 03:29.33 | SaVi | Just have to get the right mix of "variety of the missiles" and "survey of the battlefield" |
| 03:29.47 | yukaboy | What about a missile that pushes enemies backwards for 5 seconds, then explodes and does aoe |
| 03:30.18 | SaVi | ohhh :D |
| 03:30.52 | SaVi | and a achievement which you get when you kill someone pushing him downward the cliff to kill him instantly xD |
| 03:32.05 | SaVi | JademusSreg ; Bounty : On what map are you two working if I'm allowed to ask? |
| 03:32.24 | Bounty | we are not working |
| 03:32.27 | Bounty | I am |
| 03:32.37 | Bounty | JAde is my main tester though |
| 03:32.44 | Bounty | and he does any artwork |
| 03:32.47 | SaVi | ah, okay :9 |
| 03:33.26 | SaVi | you guys are from America? |
| 03:34.20 | SaVi | yukaboy now i know which film I will watch later :D |
| 03:39.06 | SaVi | Thanks for all this ideas yukaboy and JademusSreg i also like the idea of a pair of missiles with a beam between them. This sounds also great!! |
| 03:46.01 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 03:46.32 | JademusSreg | Oh yeah, I need to get you a WIP screenshot of the headlamp. |
| 03:47.21 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cardanis (80bb6117@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.187.97.23) |
| 03:49.21 | Bounty | alright JademusSreg |
| 03:49.29 | Bounty | our last test before i leave 2morrow |
| 03:49.31 | Bounty | u ready? |
| 03:50.05 | JademusSreg | Yes. Want the screenshot first? |
| 03:50.38 | Bounty | sure? lol |
| 03:51.07 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/Headlamps.jpg |
| 03:54.06 | Bounty | hahaha |
| 03:54.19 | Bounty | how well does it work with the flashlight image? |
| 03:54.44 | JademusSreg | Haven't tested in game yet. =D |
| 03:54.58 | JademusSreg | But get me the most recent version of the map, and I'll see. |
| 03:55.02 | JademusSreg | Also, I'm on. |
| 03:55.25 | Bounty | uploading now JademusSreg, gonna smoke real fast then we can commence |
| 03:55.40 | Bounty | I think you will be very pleased :) |
| 04:01.04 | Bounty | logging on now JademusSreg |
| 04:02.37 | yukaboy | Anyone need designs, suggestions, ideas or concepts? I'm in the mood. |
| 04:05.24 | Cardanis | sure! |
| 04:05.47 | Cardanis | So, standard RTS style map, build up army and engage sort of thing is what I'm working on |
| 04:06.19 | Cardanis | First of all, I want battles to be longer, drawn out, but not decisive in the way that "Well now you're army is dead" but more of "Well now your army has to retreat from this strategic position |
| 04:06.38 | yukaboy | Sounds like fun |
| 04:06.40 | Cardanis | Second of all, I want to promote the concept of splitting your army up to cover multiple areas, rather than just clump into a deathball |
| 04:06.47 | Cardanis | what're your thoughts on promoting that type of play? |
| 04:06.47 | yukaboy | More strategy than competitiveness |
| 04:06.52 | Cardanis | exactly |
| 04:08.03 | yukaboy | The concept of making splitting your army more powerful than a ball is simple to design if you wanna do it the easy way |
| 04:08.29 | yukaboy | harder to come up with a concept to make it better if you wanna do it the hard way |
| 04:09.07 | yukaboy | the easy way to make splitting your army better is to grant a bonus to units if there's a search that finds nearby units |
| 04:09.36 | yukaboy | if it only finds 5-10 units in an area, it gets a 50% bonus |
| 04:09.45 | yukaboy | less or more doesn't benigit |
| 04:09.48 | yukaboy | benifit* |
| 04:10.21 | yukaboy | to make battles take longer and make it easier to escape is to make it so units die slower |
| 04:10.27 | yukaboy | 2 ways to do that I think |
| 04:10.38 | yukaboy | 1st, you can up hp and lower dmg |
| 04:11.06 | yukaboy | 2nd, you can make it cover based, so if they are behind cover, they dont take damage |
| 04:11.17 | yukaboy | or they have less chance to get hit |
| 04:12.05 | yukaboy | rather than promoting guerilla warfare though... |
| 04:12.20 | yukaboy | you can also make it so you can group units up using captains or something |
| 04:12.22 | Cardanis | Ya, I'm planning on having both higher hp as well as the cover thing |
| 04:12.30 | yukaboy | this will grant bonuses to large armies |
| 04:12.37 | yukaboy | but slower speed |
| 04:12.41 | Cardanis | I dislike the idea of 'bonus of you're not in a ball' cause that doesn't make all that much sense |
| 04:12.47 | Cardanis | im hoping to solve that problem with the terrain? |
| 04:12.58 | Cardanis | spread resources out, and make it so part of your army has to be there to gather them |
| 04:13.01 | yukaboy | ehh, sounds tricky |
| 04:13.08 | yukaboy | um |
| 04:13.12 | JademusSreg | Sounds like DoW |
| 04:13.13 | Cardanis | that way, a better economy means spreading your army out |
| 04:13.17 | Cardanis | ya, something along those lines |
| 04:13.25 | Cardanis | except you can't cap and leave |
| 04:13.29 | yukaboy | I was thinking more of like... |
| 04:13.32 | Cardanis | gotta stay on it to get the resource |
| 04:13.33 | yukaboy | squad based thing |
| 04:13.41 | yukaboy | so you get captains and commanders |
| 04:13.44 | Bounty | oh and jade, the only reason it seems easy is bc we have unlimited sprint :) |
| 04:13.49 | yukaboy | captains grant bonuses to small groups |
| 04:13.51 | JademusSreg | Yeah, haha. |
| 04:13.53 | Bounty | he can circle us when we're walking |
| 04:13.56 | Bounty | not when sprinting |
| 04:14.00 | yukaboy | commanders grant bonuses to large groups |
| 04:14.12 | Bounty | but yeah u like the new stuff? music? intro etc |
| 04:14.21 | Bounty | more tense yes? |
| 04:15.04 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 04:15.12 | Cardanis | It actually is a Warhammer based map, so it'll seem a bit like DoW |
| 04:15.19 | Cardanis | except its a remake of one I made for SC1 |
| 04:15.20 | JademusSreg | The intro is much, much better. |
| 04:15.23 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:15.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:15.44 | Cardanis | The only buildings though are your main one that does all the unit building, and then 'strategic' building like walls and turrets and stuff |
| 04:15.52 | Bounty | Even though it is very "simple" i think the intro alone will get the players attention |
| 04:16.00 | JademusSreg | I wonder what alternatives to text there are... |
| 04:16.29 | Bounty | besides voice acting... none |
| 04:16.33 | yukaboy | hey, I know, cardanis |
| 04:16.42 | yukaboy | this is something I know due to how widow mines work |
| 04:16.55 | yukaboy | if they all detonate on the same target, it's worthless |
| 04:17.02 | yukaboy | so you split them up |
| 04:17.16 | Cardanis | mhmm |
| 04:17.19 | yukaboy | so, what if you made units attack slowly and they shoot projectiles |
| 04:17.22 | JademusSreg | The experience is best without text, or rather text that's not part of the world. |
| 04:17.24 | yukaboy | that take time to hit |
| 04:17.33 | yukaboy | so splitting your army makes them hit more targets |
| 04:17.49 | JademusSreg | I mean, if I'm playing a game and I see a billboard or a newpaper or whatever, I'll read it. |
| 04:18.06 | Cardanis | hmmm |
| 04:18.12 | Cardanis | that'd be interesting to balance lol |
| 04:18.16 | yukaboy | lol |
| 04:18.18 | Bounty | i might continue that with the rescue mission JademusSreg |
| 04:18.20 | yukaboy | maybe |
| 04:18.29 | yukaboy | I think |
| 04:18.32 | JademusSreg | All the shit on my HUD just gets ignored or turned off, else it distracts from the experience. |
| 04:18.46 | yukaboy | 2 or 3 atk speed and the speed that tempest projectiles move |
| 04:18.47 | Bounty | just make the objective pop up saying "Follow the Survivor to his Ship" |
| 04:18.51 | yukaboy | that should be perfect |
| 04:18.51 | Bounty | right? |
| 04:19.16 | Cardanis | Ya, that's an interesting idea, i like it |
| 04:19.22 | yukaboy | cool |
| 04:19.24 | yukaboy | um |
| 04:19.26 | JademusSreg | Maybe. I'd avoid that, if possible, but it doesn't hurt for now. =D |
| 04:19.45 | Bounty | why would you avoid it |
| 04:19.52 | Bounty | its exactly what u said to do :) |
| 04:19.54 | Bounty | no dialog |
| 04:19.56 | Bounty | just objectives |
| 04:20.03 | yukaboy | so to promote splitting even further |
| 04:20.07 | yukaboy | you can have cover |
| 04:20.18 | yukaboy | so, in certain areas of the map |
| 04:20.24 | yukaboy | you have these rocks or something |
| 04:20.27 | yukaboy | make it obvious |
| 04:20.38 | yukaboy | in those areas it's trigger driven |
| 04:20.48 | yukaboy | it adds an effect to all units in those area |
| 04:20.50 | yukaboy | areas* |
| 04:20.51 | JademusSreg | I mean it would be perfect without any text at all, but that's not important. Keeping it to a minimum is fine. |
| 04:20.53 | yukaboy | grants like |
| 04:20.58 | yukaboy | 80% dodge chance |
| 04:21.43 | JademusSreg | Also, I need your map. Feel free to include any last words you'd like included in your memorial map. |
| 04:22.12 | JademusSreg | Like "If you're reading this, North Korea shot down my plane, those fuckers." |
| 04:22.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:22.35 | Bounty | Really going to suck if it actually happens |
| 04:23.06 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 04:23.20 | Cardanis | Or even a simple boost in armor or something |
| 04:23.28 | Cardanis | ya, I think Terrain layout will be important in this |
| 04:34.30 | yukaboy | I would include sight blocking terrain, a lot of it |
| 04:34.40 | yukaboy | trees/buildings/etc |
| 04:35.59 | JademusSreg | Bounty, send me the map before you get on that plane. =D |
| 04:36.10 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:36.55 | JademusSreg | It will also allow me to tinker with other systems. |
| 04:38.07 | Bounty | like? |
| 04:38.44 | yukaboy | cheat codes |
| 04:38.46 | JademusSreg | Stuff. And the things. |
| 04:38.52 | yukaboy | he wants to totally own |
| 04:38.52 | yukaboy | andcheat |
| 04:38.57 | JademusSreg | Especially camera things. |
| 04:39.33 | yukaboy | he wants to allow players to zoom all the way out |
| 04:39.38 | JademusSreg | As easy as it would be for me to add cheats few others could even -find-, I wouldn't. =D |
| 04:39.41 | yukaboy | like a world map |
| 04:40.01 | yukaboy | nah, I'm kidding |
| 04:40.08 | yukaboy | I don't even know him :D |
| 04:40.14 | yukaboy | I barely know you, bounty |
| 04:40.14 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:40.30 | yukaboy | I know you're a great mapmaker though |
| 04:40.30 | Bounty | dafuck |
| 04:40.55 | Bounty | I am going to be a legendary mapmaker if i die in the next 2 weeks |
| 04:41.20 | yukaboy | gonna go afk for 10 hours or so |
| 04:41.23 | yukaboy | bed time for me |
| 04:42.22 | JademusSreg | Tested the headlamp in game. |
| 04:42.55 | Bounty | sent JademusSreg |
| 04:43.20 | Bounty | i better not come back and find out a new horror game was released by JademusSreg |
| 04:43.29 | JademusSreg | Works well. However, since the camera follows the unit, it trails slightly behind. And while the unit's actor is hidden, the headlamp isn't. So it has the hilarious effect of a floating helmet hovering in front you the camera. |
| 04:43.31 | Bounty | :) |
| 04:43.34 | Bounty | how does it look? |
| 04:43.38 | JademusSreg | Naw, I'd wait at least 3. |
| 04:43.52 | JademusSreg | I'll take a screenshot of what it looks like in game. |
| 04:44.21 | Bounty | send the actor message to the helmet model |
| 04:44.25 | Bounty | :) |
| 04:44.34 | Bounty | its hide actor for player |
| 04:44.37 | Bounty | so u can do that |
| 04:45.32 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 04:45.46 | JademusSreg | But I'd prefer to tinker with cameras and find a more awesome solution. |
| 04:45.59 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:46.04 | JademusSreg | The Camera actor, for example. |
| 04:46.06 | Bounty | ur not going to fix the delay though |
| 04:46.13 | Bounty | between the light and when u turn |
| 04:46.31 | Bounty | so it will never work |
| 04:46.40 | JademusSreg | I don't intend to. But if I can make the head follow the cursor... |
| 04:47.10 | Bounty | u mean full 3D? up down? |
| 04:47.32 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/GhostDad.jpg |
| 04:47.37 | Bounty | Dont think thats possible bc u cant track the mouse since its locked |
| 04:48.59 | JademusSreg | This, comrade, is why I tinker and research and appear to get distracted. =D |
| 04:50.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:50.23 | Bounty | sent u the map btw |
| 04:50.29 | Bounty | can u even read my triggers? haha |
| 04:50.55 | JademusSreg | I don't need to. I grab the script and convert all of it to be less dreadful. |
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| 04:54.41 | JademusSreg | Already did that with all the GUI in the first version you sent. Export as library, reimport, look at the mapscript, copy/recode to be more efficient. Then move the data from one to the other. Fairly straightforward. |
| 04:58.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:58.47 | Bounty | Why must i have such an extreme fear of flying |
| 05:03.23 | Bounty | Alright JademusSreg, im off to bed |
| 05:03.35 | Bounty | I will talk to you in 2 weeks hopefully |
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| 05:35.48 | twodie | "scraftc was" |
| 05:36.50 | Zaen | Right, so I'm new. And I mean fresh out of the box new. Why can't I place building in the coner of my map? |
| 05:46.28 | twodie | cause it have bounds |
| 05:46.40 | twodie | and placement grid |
| 05:48.58 | twodie | you can tunr to see the bounds pressing O key on keyboard |
| 05:49.32 | Zaen | thanks |
| 05:50.55 | twodie | to edit map bounds, go to Map tab section at top of the screen, Map > Map Bounds |
| 05:51.26 | twodie | Zaen here is where you can make it display the grid live http://snag.gy/0gtng.jpg |
| 05:52.02 | Zaen | ah, thanks alot twoodie |
| 05:52.24 | Zaen | such short answers saved me hours of testing lol |
| 05:53.03 | Zaen | I have this really cool idéa just don't have the know how to make it yet XD |
| 05:53.10 | Zaen | Working my way there |
| 05:54.53 | Zaen | twodie, thanks man really. Such short answers are like super helpful! :) |
| 05:56.20 | SaVi | I'm back with my missile problems yeahhh |
| 05:58.14 | SaVi | There is no explosion when the missile gets to the max range, because there is no Collision with anything. So add a "dummy" damage effect and set it to the impact effect for the actor action to have a Event in the "Model Impact" Model? or whats the best solution |
| 05:58.31 | twodie | Zaen np. |
| 06:01.41 | SaVi | Also setting "Finish Effect" to the Set which triggers the "suicide" and "damage" effect doesnt help T_T |
| 06:04.15 | twodie | bb |
| 06:11.44 | SaVi | Okay i found a solution :D |
| 06:28.04 | Zaen | what was it? |
| 06:29.52 | SaVi | I went to the Events of the Impact Model and Impact Sound and created a Event with "Unit Death" and Action "Create" |
| 06:30.32 | SaVi | It was surprisingly easy xD |
| 06:30.32 | Zaen | Sweet :) |
| 06:30.57 | Zaen | Sounds like your doing missle wars or simiuler. you know from WC3 :) |
| 06:31.14 | SaVi | ahh i know that map but no ^^ |
| 06:31.35 | SaVi | Its a arena map where you share a hellion with your teammate :D |
| 06:31.52 | SaVi | Player 1 drives it and Player 2 is shooting |
| 06:32.10 | Zaen | Well, as I stated earlier I'm new to map making. I've helped out with beta testing and such. But I've finally started to work on my first project. Tho I think I'm in trouble cause I don't think it's gonna be as easy as I would have hoped. :) |
| 06:32.22 | Zaen | Moba version map kinda deal. |
| 06:32.38 | Zaen | oh kinda like cruiser command? |
| 06:33.08 | SaVi | mhh no |
| 06:33.30 | Zaen | minus the minerals. Player one (nagivator) drives the ship player 2 (the gunner) fires :) |
| 06:34.00 | SaVi | mhh ye maybe you can compare it |
| 06:34.11 | Zaen | :) |
| 06:34.11 | SaVi | But its way faster^^ |
| 06:34.23 | Zaen | hehe, I can imagien. CC is slow :P |
| 06:34.41 | Zaen | Sounds intressting. Looking forward to seeing it. You on US or EU? |
| 06:34.47 | SaVi | EU |
| 06:35.01 | Zaen | Cool, likewise btw :) |
| 06:35.06 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 06:35.21 | Zaen | Soup! |
| 06:35.27 | SaVi | But with Hots it doesnt care, does it? |
| 06:35.39 | JademusSreg | Pardon? |
| 06:35.43 | SaVi | I mean you can play on EU and US when you change the regions |
| 06:35.54 | JademusSreg | You can do that without HotS/. |
| 06:35.58 | Zaen | yea, could do that in librity wings aswell no? |
| 06:36.05 | SaVi | really? xD |
| 06:36.08 | Zaen | yea |
| 06:36.13 | SaVi | lol didnt know that |
| 06:36.50 | Zaen | Hmm, think I'm gonna need to try and find some more advanced mappers to help me out with my idéa I'm so lost XD |
| 06:37.09 | SaVi | hey dont look at me :D |
| 06:37.33 | Zaen | Hehe, I'm not. Was gonna ask if anyone know where I might start? Like forums and such. |
| 06:37.43 | Zaen | Where people might wanna help out to make maps. |
| 06:37.52 | Zaen | I would ofcourse pitch the idéa first lol |
| 06:40.02 | JademusSreg | Wat's up? |
| 06:41.55 | JademusSreg | Many of the regulars here (not counting bots and idlers) are either people who can help or people who need help. |
| 06:42.11 | JademusSreg | So what issues have you? |
| 06:44.43 | Zaen | Well, I got the concept but no idéa how to realize it. |
| 06:44.54 | JademusSreg | Do you know how to use the editor? |
| 06:45.39 | Zaen | Not really, I just started. I got this really cool idea in my head. For a map, a map I would enjoy playing. So trying to realize it now :p |
| 06:46.09 | Zaen | I mean, I could handle terrain and such without any help. |
| 06:46.29 | Zaen | But then it comes to triggers, events, event trigger actions and so on. And I just get lost XD |
| 06:46.52 | Zaen | I could try and pitch the idea if you wanna hear it? |
| 06:47.02 | Zaen | Maybe you know where I need to start? |
| 06:47.09 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 06:48.28 | JademusSreg | Alright. You can either take the time to learn how to use the editor, then you can either do it all yourself or you make a prototype to attract people interested in joining the project. |
| 06:49.05 | JademusSreg | The other option is to toss cash at people. |
| 06:50.04 | sharf | jademus |
| 06:51.11 | Zaen | Hehe XD |
| 06:51.53 | Zaen | Well, thats what I am trying to do. I just don't know where to start the learning XD |
| 06:52.10 | JademusSreg | Ah, I can direct you in the general direction. |
| 06:52.43 | Zaen | I mean, I need to learn the stuff needed for the concept. But I don't know what is needed in order to fill out the concept I've made DXD |
| 06:52.50 | Zaen | there for I don't know where to look XD |
| 06:53.00 | JademusSreg | First, the sc2mapster forum hosts (often outdated) tutorials, so you can read those. |
| 06:53.40 | Zaen | Right. |
| 06:53.52 | JademusSreg | Second, you can borrow liberally from various sources. |
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| 06:54.22 | JademusSreg | That is to say, there's the standard data, there's various unlocked maps on Bnet, and plenty of demo maps on the forums. |
| 06:54.35 | JademusSreg | And, of course, all the campaign maps. |
| 06:54.52 | JademusSreg | Whenever you think "I wonder how they did that", you can take a look. |
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| 06:55.28 | Zaen | Ah okey. |
| 06:55.59 | JademusSreg | Third, you can study and tinker with everything in the editor until you learn All The Things. |
| 06:56.31 | SaVi | One question: "Does the Mapster Night still exists"? |
| 06:56.49 | JademusSreg | I dunno. =D |
| 06:56.57 | SaVi | It was funny to see the Maps of other people but i didnt see it for a long time |
| 06:57.14 | JademusSreg | Well, it has died and been resurrected repeatedly. |
| 06:58.21 | sharf | jadeus |
| 06:58.25 | sharf | jademus* |
| 06:58.44 | JademusSreg | You know you don't need to get my attention first, sharf. |
| 06:58.53 | sharf | you know I like to :P |
| 06:59.06 | JademusSreg | Yes, this has been observed. |
| 06:59.16 | sharf | so..been doing some experimenting with damage recycling to get an ability working the way I want it |
| 06:59.18 | sharf | but |
| 06:59.37 | sharf | because of fixed point....it's causing the values to be off.... |
| 06:59.44 | sharf | there's no real way around that is there? |
| 06:59.50 | JademusSreg | Ah, this is fun. |
| 07:00.08 | JademusSreg | Fixed point caused a lot of frustration back in the day. |
| 07:00.14 | sharf | lol |
| 07:00.16 | JademusSreg | Anyway, what specifically is the issue? |
| 07:00.19 | sharf | I can't have 0.001 |
| 07:00.33 | sharf | because it changes to....0.0009....what ever |
| 07:00.35 | sharf | so |
| 07:00.42 | sharf | say I normally do 20 damage |
| 07:00.45 | sharf | it does 19.5 damage |
| 07:00.50 | sharf | and that eventually starts to add up |
| 07:00.53 | sharf | as the damage increases |
| 07:00.58 | sharf | it's half a point early on |
| 07:01.02 | sharf | but it becomes 5 or 6 later |
| 07:01.47 | JademusSreg | Alright. And what is the design here? |
| 07:02.15 | sharf | do 100% (and 150, and 200 as it levels) divided evenly among all units in the area |
| 07:02.21 | sharf | so my damage effect has a search area |
| 07:02.28 | sharf | doing 0.001 fractional damage |
| 07:02.32 | sharf | recycled 100 times |
| 07:02.42 | sharf | and then a persistent applies that damage effect over 10 periods |
| 07:02.49 | sharf | equalling 100% damage |
| 07:02.50 | JademusSreg | That's not quite what I mean by design, ha know. That's an approach and its implementation. |
| 07:02.59 | sharf | yeah yeah |
| 07:03.13 | sharf | he first one was the design |
| 07:03.18 | sharf | the* |
| 07:03.31 | JademusSreg | Yar. |
| 07:03.43 | JademusSreg | 100% of what? |
| 07:03.58 | sharf | the damage amount |
| 07:04.02 | sharf | which is 16+bonuses |
| 07:05.33 | JademusSreg | So it could 300 base, divivded among 15 units, dealing 20 damage to each, yeah? |
| 07:05.52 | sharf | yes |
| 07:05.56 | sharf | that's the idea |
| 07:06.13 | JademusSreg | Interesting. |
| 07:07.22 | sharf | it works now |
| 07:07.22 | JademusSreg | This is an interesting problem. =D |
| 07:07.23 | sharf | but |
| 07:07.28 | sharf | the floating point fucks it up |
| 07:07.33 | sharf | and adding a bonus of 0.5 damage |
| 07:07.39 | sharf | KIND of fixes it |
| 07:07.41 | sharf | it at least |
| 07:07.50 | sharf | offsets the difference for a little while |
| 07:08.13 | JademusSreg | You've seen the fixed point doc, yes? |
| 07:09.22 | sharf | the page on sc2mapster? |
| 07:09.28 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 07:09.30 | sharf | ye |
| 07:09.31 | sharf | yes |
| 07:10.51 | JademusSreg | Rather than get stuck on fixed point's limits, seems that you could instead start from what's valid for fixed point. |
| 07:11.49 | sharf | was trying that |
| 07:12.00 | sharf | but I can't figure out how to determine what are fixed points or not |
| 07:12.10 | JademusSreg | Ah, but you have the doc. |
| 07:12.19 | JademusSreg | So now all you need is a calculator. |
| 07:12.53 | JademusSreg | Since it's in increments of 1 / 4096, that means any value of n / 4096 should be valid. |
| 07:14.53 | sharf | well that would stand to reason that 5/4096 would work.... |
| 07:14.57 | sharf | or 4/096 |
| 07:15.08 | sharf | as long as I adjust the recycle count properly |
| 07:15.23 | JademusSreg | Yes, assuming the editor doesn't just say "fuck you" and round up the value. Which it will. |
| 07:15.49 | sharf | round up what point? |
| 07:15.51 | JademusSreg | But a 4/4096 |
| 07:16.05 | JademusSreg | 4/4096 is close to 1. |
| 07:16.09 | JademusSreg | Erm, 0.001 |
| 07:16.15 | sharf | 5 is too |
| 07:16.18 | sharf | just slightly over |
| 07:16.27 | JademusSreg | Yes. =D |
| 07:16.48 | sharf | hmm |
| 07:16.55 | JademusSreg | (I was mistaken, thinking the values would be lower.) |
| 07:17.12 | JademusSreg | So yeah, the editor should be fine with either. |
| 07:17.27 | sharf | too bad I can't make a unit be recycled by a decimal.... |
| 07:17.29 | JademusSreg | But beware the editor. =D |
| 07:17.42 | sharf | hmm |
| 07:17.52 | sharf | currently it uses 0.001 |
| 07:17.53 | sharf | which |
| 07:17.57 | sharf | it converts to 4/4096 |
| 07:18.02 | sharf | which is where my problem is |
| 07:18.08 | sharf | so I need to adjust the recycle count but |
| 07:18.20 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 07:18.20 | sharf | that still needs a decimal and I don't think it accepts it |
| 07:18.28 | JademusSreg | Er. |
| 07:18.39 | JademusSreg | True, but... |
| 07:19.26 | JademusSreg | The recylce count is 100 currently, yes? |
| 07:19.33 | sharf | yes |
| 07:19.52 | sharf | would need to be 102.4 |
| 07:21.06 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 07:21.17 | sharf | but... |
| 07:21.23 | sharf | if I change it to 5/4096 |
| 07:21.30 | sharf | then the recycle only needs to be 81.92 |
| 07:21.37 | sharf | which....is closer |
| 07:21.41 | sharf | so it will skew much less |
| 07:21.46 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 07:22.48 | JademusSreg | Shouldn't the damage fraction be 0.01? |
| 07:22.53 | SaVi | I dont even approximately understand what you two are talking about |
| 07:23.02 | JademusSreg | Sav, you will someday. |
| 07:23.21 | sharf | no |
| 07:23.30 | sharf | because the period count is 10 |
| 07:23.36 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 07:23.37 | sharf | so the fraction needs to end on 1 |
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| 07:25.15 | JademusSreg | Recycle count 82, damage 5/4096 sounds pretty good. |
| 07:25.44 | sharf | mhm |
| 07:25.55 | sharf | since the number of units in the area wont exceed like 10 or 15 |
| 07:28.17 | sharf | that doesn't bode well.... |
| 07:28.33 | sharf | nvm fucked up lol |
| 07:28.49 | JademusSreg | The error amounts to 0.009765625 per period, by my count. |
| 07:29.35 | Kueken | aw, too bad |
| 07:30.02 | Kueken | if it would be 0.0081224525 instead, it would have been okay |
| 07:30.36 | SaVi | aha^^ |
| 07:30.58 | sharf | that barely equals 0.2 of damage at max level |
| 07:31.03 | sharf | that's acceptable |
| 07:31.10 | JademusSreg | Just making sure. |
| 07:31.24 | sharf | better than it was |
| 07:31.31 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 07:31.35 | sharf | plus, have 1 or 2 damage over is better than 1 or 2 less, in my opinion |
| 07:31.38 | sharf | before |
| 07:31.45 | sharf | it was missing by 2 at low levels |
| 07:31.49 | sharf | and up to 6 at higher levels |
| 07:31.57 | JademusSreg | Glad to help. |
| 07:32.02 | sharf | and jademus saves the day once again lol |
| 07:32.16 | JademusSreg | Well, interesting problems are worth my attention. |
| 07:32.24 | sharf | lol |
| 07:32.25 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:32.30 | sharf | alright well time to sleep |
| 07:32.34 | sharf | night all |
| 07:32.37 | Kueken | okay, save the day another time and tell me how to prevent stunned units from being pushed :) |
| 07:32.41 | Kueken | n8 |
| 07:33.00 | JademusSreg | Ah, yes. That one was less interesting, but still worth knowing. |
| 07:33.08 | JademusSreg | So what are the parameters? |
| 07:33.12 | Kueken | didn't find a solution yet, besides disabling collision |
| 07:33.16 | JademusSreg | What is permitted and not permitted? |
| 07:33.25 | Kueken | alright. |
| 07:33.45 | Kueken | unit needs to be stunned, but still able to queue orders |
| 07:33.57 | Kueken | unit needs to be pushable while not stunned |
| 07:34.06 | Kueken | but must not be pushable when stunned |
| 07:34.09 | JademusSreg | And can't be given to another player during the duration? |
| 07:34.27 | Kueken | hm... |
| 07:34.37 | Kueken | dirty |
| 07:34.43 | JademusSreg | It's hacky, and I'd look for another way. |
| 07:34.52 | JademusSreg | But as an interim solution, it should suffice. |
| 07:35.02 | Kueken | I can try, don't see any major problem for now |
| 07:35.41 | JademusSreg | Oh yes, and which ways of disabling movement did you test? |
| 07:37.24 | Kueken | suppress movement, prevents queueing orders, disable move ability or setting movespeed to zero does the same, setting movespeed to almost zero has issues with other units being blocked indefinitely and not trying to find a way around |
| 07:37.55 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 07:38.27 | Kueken | I would like a "suppress pushability" flag :) |
| 07:38.51 | JademusSreg | Movespeed ~0 plus a unit at stunned unit's position with 0 push priority and ground collision flags. |
| 07:39.18 | JademusSreg | Of course, it's not scalable. |
| 07:39.35 | JademusSreg | So it's not the optimal solution. |
| 07:40.24 | JademusSreg | But it being both immobile and collidable would help the pathfinding not fuck up. |
| 07:42.21 | JademusSreg | Hmmmm. |
| 07:43.44 | JademusSreg | I wonder what the Modify Flag Modify Movement does. |
| 07:45.27 | Kueken | interesting |
| 07:46.15 | Kueken | apparently the pathfinding issues with almost 0 movespeed do not appear when I reduce the acceleration to almost 0 as well |
| 07:46.32 | JademusSreg | But I was intrigued more by remembering that channeled/channeling state units often aren't pushed. |
| 07:46.34 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 07:46.39 | JademusSreg | Ah, that makes sense. |
| 07:47.10 | JademusSreg | The accleration used by pathfinding to predict openings for viable routes, good intuition. I'll keep that in mind. |
| 07:47.16 | JademusSreg | *acceleration |
| 07:47.19 | Kueken | yes, my old stun system used a channeled ability on each unit |
| 07:47.37 | Kueken | in some way it was superior to the current stunned flag |
| 07:47.52 | JademusSreg | Are you using move speed factor 0.001? |
| 07:47.57 | Kueken | however it required a triggered pause to work |
| 07:48.09 | Kueken | I use max movespeed limit 0.01 |
| 07:48.44 | JademusSreg | Ah. I figured the fraction would apply to acceleration as well. Possibly. |
| 07:49.06 | Kueken | acceleration has its own fraction |
| 07:50.14 | Kueken | alright, works well enough :) |
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| 07:51.30 | Kueken | short night? |
| 07:51.38 | sharf | Just an update, I crunched the numbers. The max damage will be dealt is 49, at 200% damage. Even with that minor variation, under max conditions it doesn't even add 0.1 extra damage |
| 07:52.23 | sharf | It will be like 89.095 |
| 07:52.26 | sharf | 98* |
| 07:53.00 | sharf | So it works fine that way lol still annoying I had to deal with fixed point stuff though |
| 07:54.20 | Kueken | the dreadful 4096 |
| 07:54.30 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 07:54.58 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 07:55.06 | sharf | Now, g'night lol |
| 07:55.17 | JademusSreg | Nice referential name for a band of ruthless mercenaries. |
| 07:55.26 | JademusSreg | The Dreadful 4096. |
| 07:55.48 | Kueken | must be nerdy mercenaries |
| 07:56.03 | JademusSreg | Or have a nerdy commander. |
| 07:56.24 | Kueken | dustin browder |
| 07:57.24 | JademusSreg | Even nerdier: "One of those guys, he'd kill his own mum for 12 bits." |
| 07:57.30 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 08:07.19 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/Headlamps.jpg |
| 08:09.00 | JademusSreg | The rounding of offsets is annoying. =\ |
| 08:09.32 | JademusSreg | Remind me to mod the editor data later. |
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| 08:11.07 | JademusSreg | If the editor data can be modified without the editor or client throwing a fit, that would be quite useful. |
| 08:16.27 | JademusSreg | I mean, adding new categories would be convenient. |
| 08:19.53 | JademusSreg | And it contains data for shit like how to handle SC1 and WC3 map conversions. |
| 08:22.55 | JademusSreg | Including the editor layout itself. Tempting. |
| 08:23.46 | SaVi | I miss the good old Sc1 bounds |
| 08:24.15 | JademusSreg | Map > Map Bounds, modify camera bounds to the edge of the map, done. |
| 08:24.36 | SaVi | haha not these bounds |
| 08:24.58 | SaVi | It was a own category of Maps |
| 08:25.23 | SaVi | usually you had a zergling and had to pass obstacles of explosions set in a repeating order |
| 08:25.23 | JademusSreg | Ah. Then make em. |
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| 08:26.04 | SaVi | It worked so well because of the Terrain editor of a custom editor which was able to create rectangle Terrains |
| 08:26.48 | SaVi | a example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6Sf5dakvMw |
| 08:27.17 | JademusSreg | No need, I recall. |
| 08:27.50 | JademusSreg | And I recall most SC1 maps were terrible. But the tools were terrible, too, so that's to be expected. |
| 08:28.02 | SaVi | ^^ |
| 08:28.27 | SaVi | Im not sure.. I enjoyed the Sc1 Maps more than the Sc2 Maps now |
| 08:28.51 | JademusSreg | Ah, but we were younger then. And young people have no sense of quality. |
| 08:29.03 | SaVi | ye.. thats true |
| 08:29.33 | JademusSreg | And haven't much experience. Show a peasant a firework and they will explode with jubilation. |
| 08:29.53 | SaVi | What maps do you think are great maps in sc2 so far? |
| 08:31.38 | JademusSreg | Runling Run was the first -fun- map I played. SmashCraft was the first even remotely well-designed map. Tofu is by far the most polished. |
| 08:32.09 | SaVi | oh yeah^^ the UI of Tofu is just awesome |
| 08:33.37 | SaVi | but i didnt really like the Gameplay |
| 08:34.38 | JademusSreg | Ah, but not liking something isn't informative. =D |
| 08:35.20 | Ahli | one problem is that you got no idea what is going on as a starter in tofu |
| 08:35.34 | Ahli | I had most damage in my first game, but I had absolutely no idea what I was doing |
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| 08:35.56 | twodie | FUCK SNOW |
| 08:35.59 | SaVi | ye^^ the one with the zealot was rocking the house and i didnt know why xD |
| 08:37.08 | JademusSreg | I only even bother to play maps when invited and not busy, both of which are rare. =D |
| 08:40.27 | Kueken | JademusSreg: Could you link your DialogUtils? |
| 08:40.35 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 08:40.48 | Ahli | what's the easiest way to just remove everything brown in the picture? http://i.snag.gy/joMbG.jpg |
| 08:41.07 | JademusSreg | Oh man. |
| 08:41.14 | Kueken | :D |
| 08:41.32 | twodie | ahli selecting black and white |
| 08:41.33 | JademusSreg | Don't. Instead, get the white, make a vector from the selection. |
| 08:41.36 | Kueken | I would probably select by color with tolerance, click on the white parts |
| 08:42.03 | Kueken | adjust tolerance until you got everything you want, invert selection, delete |
| 08:42.10 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/46mcj |
| 08:43.01 | Kueken | thanks |
| 08:43.12 | Kueken | is there a raw text version? |
| 08:43.30 | JademusSreg | Selecting it shouldn't select the numbers. |
| 08:43.46 | JademusSreg | But I'll get ya one. |
| 08:43.48 | Kueken | ah okay |
| 08:43.50 | Kueken | nvm |
| 08:43.53 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 08:44.45 | Ahli | I can only create ugly images out of that one :S |
| 08:44.53 | JademusSreg | I intend to write a new approach entirely, anyway. |
| 08:45.43 | JademusSreg | Ahli, all ya need is the shape, the icon. If you can find the same shape elsewhere, you'd be better off using that. |
| 08:48.58 | SaVi | You only want the White symbol in the mid? |
| 08:49.10 | Ahli | I think I got it more or less good now |
| 08:49.17 | Ahli | http://snag.gy/s0Oit.jpg |
| 08:49.31 | JademusSreg | Oh, and the in-game UI Editor works. |
| 08:49.50 | JademusSreg | Well, the drag to move or resize doesn't, but the rest does. |
| 08:49.58 | Ahli | adding frames? |
| 08:50.05 | Ahli | they hid the buttons for it |
| 08:50.11 | JademusSreg | Oh did they? |
| 08:50.18 | Ahli | yes |
| 08:50.25 | Ahli | UI editor is a frame in the UI editor |
| 08:50.25 | JademusSreg | Well, it's a good thing the layout editor is defined with layouts. |
| 08:50.29 | JademusSreg | So add it back. |
| 08:50.32 | Zaen | Diablo 2 smite? Or was it retribution? |
| 08:50.37 | Zaen | The picture that is. |
| 08:50.40 | Ahli | might aura it is |
| 08:50.45 | Zaen | Ah |
| 08:50.47 | Zaen | damn XD |
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| 08:53.24 | JademusSreg | I see some value in modding the editor data. =D |
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| 08:53.47 | Ahli | can we mod the UI editor from within the map? :D |
| 08:53.56 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 08:53.58 | JademusSreg | Probably. |
| 08:54.23 | Ahli | inb4 BetterIngameUIeditor.SC2Layout |
| 08:54.45 | JademusSreg | There is a reload layout cmd, something like Ctrl Alt F9. |
| 08:55.05 | Ahli | ctrl alt f11 or f10? |
| 08:55.12 | Ahli | one was lighting... |
| 08:55.41 | Ahli | I think UI can be reloaded somehow, too... I think I did it once |
| 08:55.59 | Ahli | check the hotkeys in the options |
| 08:56.22 | JademusSreg | Yes, that's to what I refer. |
| 08:57.57 | Ahli | ok, that aura image is fine |
| 08:59.37 | Ahli | lalalalala manually fixing jpg blurryness |
| 09:00.28 | JademusSreg | Hm. This might explain why I get a horribly annoying error every time I open the cutscene editor. |
| 09:00.40 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.04 | JademusSreg | Just a random fucking F outside of the tags. |
| 09:02.31 | JademusSreg | I see some cool shit in the EditorMenus.xml. |
| 09:02.47 | JademusSreg | Like command definitions for each menu, |
| 09:03.05 | JademusSreg | So you could, one expects, add commands. |
| 09:03.47 | JademusSreg | The Commands are defined in EditorCommands.xml, of course. |
| 09:08.22 | twodie | G0A wtf? why squadron is now requires HotS? :/ |
| 09:08.34 | twodie | not like i played it at all but still |
| 09:09.27 | JademusSreg | Neato. I see the preferences not modified through the preferences dialog. =D |
| 09:11.04 | JademusSreg | Not quite sure what this is: <pref label="ObjectEditorFootprintSnap"><value>2</value></pref> |
| 09:13.11 | JademusSreg | And the toolbars. Nice. |
| 09:14.44 | JademusSreg | Not clear on this one, either. <pref label="PlayerPropsShowObjects"><flag>false</flag></pref> |
| 09:17.58 | JademusSreg | EditorCategories.xml has the most cool, though. |
| 09:18.24 | Zaen | I wanna paint you a picture and see if you think it can be done. Player 1 enters Becone, Gains control of the base (AI controlled without player?) Accesse to build building but only at "marked" locations? |
| 09:20.25 | G0A | twodie because people wanted hots units. |
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| 09:20.46 | twodie | okay |
| 09:21.00 | Zaen | beacon* |
| 09:27.21 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 09:27.28 | JademusSreg | Entirely doable. |
| 09:28.22 | Zaen | Okay. Thank Jade. |
| 09:29.17 | JademusSreg | It's basically the first ice planet mission in HotS campaign, only plus an AI if I understand you, and footprints to block construction and/or the structures in question are only built on specific structures (as vespene geysers behave). |
| 09:31.21 | JademusSreg | As for giving control of the base, you'd probably do that via trigger, pick each unit in unitgroup of units of player Whoever in The Base region and give picked unit to player BeaconLover. |
| 09:32.43 | Zaen | Hehe, you make it sound so easy XP |
| 09:32.51 | JademusSreg | Because it is. =D |
| 09:33.23 | JademusSreg | Difficulty is relative to capability, which is a product of experience in this case. |
| 09:33.24 | Zaen | Yea, well I only started yesterday night for about 30 minutes and a few hours today :P |
| 09:33.32 | Zaen | mhm |
| 09:33.56 | JademusSreg | So long as you ask the right questions, you'll get the right answers. =D |
| 09:34.03 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 09:34.07 | Zaen | This is true ;) |
| 09:36.07 | twodie | lies! |
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| 09:46.31 | JademusSreg | Truths. =D |
| 09:47.14 | JademusSreg | Also, blurb: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/Headlamps.jpg |
| 09:49.02 | JademusSreg | Making nice use of the ActorLightSpot model. |
| 09:54.53 | Zolden | JademusSreg: is it screen from sc2 map? |
| 09:55.14 | JademusSreg | Yes. I was experimenting with lights. |
| 09:55.58 | JademusSreg | Next is cameras mounted directly on units. |
| 09:56.09 | JademusSreg | None of this silly follow unitgroup shit. |
| 09:56.18 | Zolden | yea |
| 09:56.37 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/GhostDad.jpg |
| 09:56.50 | JademusSreg | That's what it looks like from the player perspective, while moving. |
| 09:57.14 | JademusSreg | So I figure mounting a camera directly on the unit would be a better solution. |
| 09:58.08 | JademusSreg | Once I get that sorted out, making the head move relative to mouse will be the next fun little task. |
| 09:58.18 | Zolden | would be cool if you find a way to use a camera from attached model, instead of unit |
| 09:58.52 | JademusSreg | Well, I figured that would be the only way, especially given the addition of the Camera actor type. |
| 10:03.06 | Zolden | can we smoothly switch between cameras? |
| 10:03.55 | Zolden | oh, wait, moving camera isn't the problem |
| 10:04.12 | Zolden | problem is catch mouse move in that model camera view mode |
| 10:04.43 | JademusSreg | Correct. |
| 10:05.36 | Zolden | and how are you going to do it? are there mouse moved event or can we simply get mouse screen coords? |
| 10:06.51 | JademusSreg | Dunno yet. =D |
| 10:07.56 | JademusSreg | The less done through triggers, the better it will turn out, though. |
| 10:08.12 | Zolden | yea |
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| 10:24.13 | JademusSreg | I wonder if the civilian model's head can be made to look at something. That'll be fun to tinker. |
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| 10:46.07 | Zolden | theoretically it can be done, and can be done easily, but practically it's not so easy, since we don't have uncorruptive import to max |
| 10:46.26 | Zolden | but soon we will have it |
| 10:46.28 | Stewox | jademussreg, i love the smell of smart targeting in the morning, i hate to be bothering but maybe an update on the schedule, don't worry you'll get all the credits for making this years-long idea of mine happen |
| 10:46.30 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 10:46.52 | JademusSreg | I'm tinkering with lighting, atm. |
| 10:47.17 | JademusSreg | Once I'm done, I'll review the idea and consider implementations. |
| 10:47.33 | Stewox | okay so it's next on the list, cool |
| 10:48.20 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 10:49.05 | Stewox | just out of curiosity, how long you will take on current today ? , so I either standby or go doing other things |
| 10:49.31 | JademusSreg | I would be surprised if it were done quickly. |
| 10:49.40 | Stewox | cause I would like be here available when you start doing so i can support and also if you have question, |
| 10:50.16 | Stewox | so we don't end up fixing it many times later |
| 10:50.31 | JademusSreg | Naw, don't worry: that's inevitable. |
| 10:51.17 | Stewox | allright, i have all the vision in my head, problem is not everything is cleared up, just right now I totally broke another thing up |
| 10:51.22 | JademusSreg | It's useful for me too, so I'll start from the perspective of how I'd want it to work. |
| 10:51.34 | Stewox | it's the ui targeting focus indicator |
| 10:52.04 | Stewox | you know when some abilities have the white targeting circle over them ... |
| 10:52.19 | JademusSreg | I'll concern myself with the guts. How it gets dressed up, that's of little concern to a prototype. |
| 10:52.45 | Stewox | or the campaign Drakken Drill Laser has that target before it fires, use that to indicate |
| 10:52.54 | Stewox | well ... |
| 10:53.08 | Stewox | whatever, if you can |
| 10:53.39 | JademusSreg | Trust me. You want to get a thing working before you worry about presentation. |
| 10:54.01 | Stewox | would be cool to see that in ui how the system is working, but i have yet to decide if this is for all players to see, overpowering stuff like that would probably need that |
| 10:54.10 | Stewox | i kno i know |
| 10:54.25 | Stewox | don't get me wrong |
| 10:54.38 | Stewox | i thought that more from debugging aspect as well, |
| 10:55.02 | Stewox | you would see how fast and responsively it works inside radius |
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| 11:05.21 | Zolden | strange, they have [Basic] Include+ field, but Exclude+ field (without "[Basic]") in the damage effect |
| 11:06.01 | Ahli | man, Blizzard is releasing a ton of short stories |
| 11:06.57 | JademusSreg | Ah, some of them are even enjoyable. |
| 11:07.28 | Zolden | I wrote a sc2 universe related short story too, but it's on russian |
| 11:07.39 | Kueken | jade, what program do you use for your galaxy code? |
| 11:08.08 | Kueken | I want to move away from the g++ editor, now that its practically dead |
| 11:08.24 | Kueken | and it doesn't support post-1.5 natives |
| 11:08.40 | Zolden | i heard jade uses notepad++ |
| 11:09.02 | JademusSreg | I'm currently using np++ with a custom language definition, but Scintilla is garbage + I need something with intellisense. |
| 11:09.34 | JademusSreg | Dustin proposed SublimeText. |
| 11:09.52 | Kueken | doe sit keep track of your own functions and definitions? |
| 11:10.06 | Kueken | or do you need to add them manually to the language definition |
| 11:10.17 | Kueken | if you use a library or something for example |
| 11:10.24 | JademusSreg | But even the documentation on syntax definitions has a warning label: "The information in this article may be wrong." Which is not a good sign. |
| 11:11.28 | JademusSreg | But it does support C almost certainly, and galaxy being C-like, it should work with just the files as a standard library. |
| 11:11.33 | A1win | how long does it take before a map gets removed from the arcade? |
| 11:11.59 | JademusSreg | And if SublimeText disappoints, I'll probably make an addon for Eclipse. |
| 11:12.37 | JademusSreg | Either way, sick of manual extraction, so intellisense is required. |
| 11:13.13 | Zolden | Kueken: will this calidate unit with hp below 15%? http://pastebin.com/3EJGWs7t |
| 11:13.39 | JademusSreg | Also considered BlueFish, but adding a language extension to it is apparently shitty. |
| 11:13.53 | Kueken | Zolden: looks that way |
| 11:13.59 | Zolden | ok |
| 11:14.37 | Zolden | i just was worried about .15 or 15 whould we use |
| 11:14.40 | JademusSreg | Does it specify life specifically? |
| 11:14.44 | JademusSreg | 0.15 is correct. |
| 11:14.53 | JademusSreg | Fraction/Factor. |
| 11:14.58 | JademusSreg | 1 would be 100%. |
| 11:15.19 | Zolden | good |
| 11:15.22 | Kueken | well, in some fields it uses 100 as 100% :D |
| 11:15.27 | JademusSreg | Ugh. |
| 11:15.32 | Kueken | the editor is not vers strict |
| 11:15.35 | Kueken | *very |
| 11:15.42 | Kueken | in that matter |
| 11:16.50 | JademusSreg | It let Ahli put a GUI text expression in an if conditional and threw a syntax error, so that would appear to support its lack of selectiveness. |
| 11:21.58 | Kueken | is there a notepad++ syntax highlighting and autocompletion package available for the latest version? Or would I need to add the new functions manually? |
| 11:23.20 | JademusSreg | I haven't updated it since 1.5 beta. I don't intend to support it further, since it would be a waste of time when we need moar intellisense. But you're welcome to use mine. |
| 11:24.38 | Kueken | where would I get it? ;) |
| 11:24.40 | JademusSreg | One of the reasons intellisense is needed is that all the new shit by far exceeds np++'s capacity to highlight, because it uses Scintilla, and Scintilla is shitty. |
| 11:25.12 | Kueken | well, I have no idea what either of these are, but I am sure you are right! |
| 11:25.40 | JademusSreg | Hah |
| 11:25.46 | JademusSreg | One moment while I locate it. |
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| 11:27.09 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/userDefineLang.xml |
| 11:27.27 | JademusSreg | Put that in the %appshit%/Notepad++ directory. |
| 11:28.20 | JademusSreg | I managed a somewhat reasonable color scheme given the limits. |
| 11:29.44 | Kueken | :D |
| 11:29.53 | Kueken | first I need to download it |
| 11:29.56 | Kueken | it won't let me |
| 11:30.16 | Kueken | I can only display the content |
| 11:30.28 | Kueken | will it work if I c&p it into a new file? |
| 11:30.42 | JademusSreg | Light green for void natives, light blue for natives that return values, bright blue for constants, and pale red for value types. |
| 11:30.48 | JademusSreg | Right click, save as. |
| 11:30.55 | JademusSreg | From the browser. |
| 11:31.17 | Kueken | >.< |
| 11:31.52 | JademusSreg | *value types and other constants |
| 11:32.10 | JademusSreg | Mostly from the galaxy game data files. |
| 11:32.20 | JademusSreg | So basically, value types and catalog references. |
| 11:33.59 | JademusSreg | np++ does have autocomplete features. I just haven't messed with them, haha. |
| 11:35.50 | JademusSreg | I also use a dark global style, so I'd suggest using a dark fill with that highlighter. |
| 11:36.10 | JademusSreg | It was designed with that contrast in mind. |
| 11:41.32 | Kueken | yes, it looks that way xD |
| 11:45.05 | Fate | hey all i need a data pro to help me |
| 11:45.27 | Fate | i have some performance problems |
| 11:46.28 | Fate | dealing with low high attack speed weapons |
| 11:46.35 | JademusSreg | Hope you're writing it; we don't wanna make this a I-swallowed-colorful-scarves thing. |
| 11:47.28 | Fate | http://www.abload.de/img/screenshot2013-04-051n3uls.jpg |
| 11:47.45 | Fate | 11 units each has a weapon with 0.1 attack speed |
| 11:47.56 | Fate | 58 fps constantly |
| 11:48.11 | Fate | http://www.abload.de/img/screenshot2013-04-0516vutl.jpg |
| 11:48.28 | JademusSreg | Design: this is what I want, how it looks, sounds, behaves. Implementation: this is what I did to try and make it work. Problem: this is how it is not working or adversely affecting performance. |
| 11:48.36 | Fate | one unit with 3 weapons that attack with the same speed |
| 11:48.42 | Stewox | region editor is so fucking going on my nerves |
| 11:48.50 | Fate | fps dropped under 10 after 2 mins |
| 11:48.55 | Stewox | how the heck do i add more circles to a region |
| 11:48.58 | Stewox | forgot it |
| 11:49.08 | Fate | omg what a chat chaos |
| 11:49.15 | JademusSreg | Stew, select the shapes. |
| 11:49.26 | Stewox | i did everything i could think of |
| 11:49.29 | JademusSreg | Right click, add new shape. |
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| 11:49.47 | Stewox | yes, i did and there's no dropdown nor this button anywhere |
| 11:50.03 | JademusSreg | Fate, are those collider projectiles? |
| 11:50.46 | Fate | this are normal projectiles if u mean that with collider |
| 11:51.08 | Kueken | pff, adding autocompletion to n++ is a pain. With g++ it was so simple, it would autocomplete every function you defined anywhere in the script |
| 11:51.18 | JademusSreg | Collider, as in they employ an approach so that they hit the first collider they contact. |
| 11:51.25 | Kueken | jade: no |
| 11:51.34 | Kueken | the unit looks slightly familiar :D |
| 11:51.41 | JademusSreg | I'm talking to Fate, Kuek. =D |
| 11:51.45 | Kueken | I know |
| 11:51.53 | Fate | yep thats your bane kueken |
| 11:51.54 | Kueken | I made the unit in question |
| 11:51.58 | JademusSreg | Ahhh. |
| 11:52.10 | JademusSreg | Now it makes more than no-sense. |
| 11:52.52 | Kueken | the weapons don't do much more than causing damage |
| 11:52.56 | JademusSreg | Anyway, is it just launch effects and impact effects or what? What is the implementation here? |
| 11:52.57 | Zaen | It does? I'm having a really hard time to follow :P |
| 11:53.25 | Fate | it launches missles that deal dmg |
| 11:53.28 | Kueken | one of the weapons is a missile, the others almost exclusively use beams |
| 11:53.41 | Fate | like the marauder missle or the stalker |
| 11:53.47 | Fate | no |
| 11:53.50 | Kueken | snipe beams, so they look like missiles |
| 11:53.54 | JademusSreg | Alright. Any unit creation, unit enters region, unit enters range, attack, or damage triggers in the map? |
| 11:53.55 | Kueken | did you change it? |
| 11:53.57 | Fate | i changed the 3 small ones |
| 11:54.00 | Fate | yes |
| 11:54.01 | Kueken | ah |
| 11:54.02 | JademusSreg | Kueken, perfect. |
| 11:54.16 | Kueken | so scratch that :D |
| 11:54.24 | Kueken | launching missile |
| 11:54.25 | Kueken | s |
| 11:54.30 | Zolden | "more than no-sense" mean more sense or less sense? |
| 11:54.46 | JademusSreg | Either is fine. |
| 11:54.54 | Fate | i want to use missles |
| 11:55.27 | Fate | thing is: the fps dropps ovetime |
| 11:55.32 | Stewox | im still fiddling ... |
| 11:55.52 | Fate | it starts with 58 fps and then dropps slowly under 10 |
| 11:56.06 | Fate | in about 1min and 30 secs |
| 11:56.23 | Kueken | does it recover? |
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| 11:56.38 | Zolden | "more missles" mean miss more miss less? |
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| 11:56.50 | Fate | after the units stopps fireing it recovers to 29 fps |
| 11:56.58 | Stewox | i need more detailed |
| 11:57.01 | JademusSreg | Persistents or actors. |
| 11:57.02 | Stewox | it+s just not there |
| 11:57.09 | Kueken | or units |
| 11:57.23 | Stewox | stuff like this is so frustrating |
| 11:57.29 | JademusSreg | I suppose it's possible the units aren't destroyed, but most movers have a default time out. |
| 11:57.47 | Kueken | yep |
| 11:57.52 | Stewox | it should have been made obvious, not somewhere deep down in the menus and right clicks and whatever |
| 11:58.20 | JademusSreg | Though if they had a significant death time, I suppose they could stay in memory, haha. |
| 11:58.33 | Zolden | Fate: use ActorInfoDisplay cheat |
| 11:58.39 | Kueken | okay, and since I know what kind of a mess the unit is in the data editor, have fun finding it :D |
| 11:58.40 | Stewox | ADD CIRCLE ADD RECTANGLE ...etc |
| 11:58.42 | Stewox | nothing else |
| 11:59.04 | Kueken | yes, do as Zolden suggests to rule out actors |
| 11:59.05 | Stewox | just that crap i can control it and can't move it with my mouse what the heck how stupid this is |
| 11:59.16 | Kueken | probably clear the map of actors first |
| 11:59.20 | JademusSreg | Stew. |
| 11:59.36 | JademusSreg | Select the region. Press enter. |
| 11:59.48 | Stewox | it's been so many times this shit has been so damn |
| 11:59.49 | JademusSreg | Right click in the shape listbox. |
| 11:59.52 | JademusSreg | Add Whatever. |
| 12:00.11 | Stewox | and never fixed it since 2010 |
| 12:00.14 | Fate | uff |
| 12:00.23 | Fate | so much text in one min |
| 12:00.25 | Stewox | yes BUT HOW CAN I MOVE IT SEPARATELY FROM OTHER SHAPES ? |
| 12:00.48 | JademusSreg | With offsets. |
| 12:00.50 | Kueken | thats irc baby |
| 12:00.51 | Stewox | this is some kind of BS, they think i will waste my time moving it by stupid X Y axis in the code that RIDICOLOUS |
| 12:01.00 | gooose | ok quick question: |
| 12:01.06 | gooose | if i make a buy ability |
| 12:01.16 | Stewox | this is the only way then, i can't merge multiple regions ? |
| 12:01.32 | JademusSreg | Or just generate the region at runtime. Not that it helps if you prefer a wysiwyg region editor. |
| 12:01.36 | gooose | and use a trigger "uses ability" is the triggering player the owner of the shop or the buyer? |
| 12:01.37 | Fate | what is ActorInfoDisplay cheat? |
| 12:02.02 | Stewox | sorry im angry just it didn't happen ... i hope you all understand frustrations like this, because it's such an easy fix and this just screams lazyness |
| 12:02.03 | JademusSreg | Edit > Merge Selection |
| 12:02.26 | Stewox | thank you, sorry about this panic attack |
| 12:02.49 | Kueken | gooose: try it out? |
| 12:03.08 | gooose | mh .. so i do have to try it ok ^^ |
| 12:03.14 | Kueken | Fate: a cheat to display all actors on the map, i think |
| 12:03.17 | JademusSreg | Helps to exercise what I refer to as "active patience". I will not sit and wait doing nothing for any fucking thing, but I will pass time by focusing on other activities. |
| 12:03.20 | Ahli | http://snag.gy/2Kq7E.jpg moar abilities |
| 12:03.31 | Fate | how do i activate it? |
| 12:03.58 | Kueken | start from editor, type cheat |
| 12:04.00 | Zolden | Ahli: are those command card buttons? |
| 12:04.50 | Ahli | no |
| 12:05.15 | Ahli | command card has only 15 buttons... I need way more |
| 12:05.56 | JademusSreg | Oh yeah, that reminds me, the string dump suggested that additional buttons should be possible. |
| 12:07.15 | Fate | LOL i have to make a screenshot of this |
| 12:07.17 | JademusSreg | The command button frames are loaded either as a batch or enumerated, as the reference to them in the layout-related strings had the type and then the print control character for two digits. |
| 12:08.23 | Fate | http://www.abload.de/img/screenshot2013-04-051y4ui0.jpg |
| 12:08.33 | Fate | XD |
| 12:09.12 | Ahli | yay, actorinfodisplay doesn't crash with my hero anymore. |
| 12:09.37 | Kueken | that looks a little crowded |
| 12:10.41 | Kueken | anyway, does the baneblade increase actor count permanently when attacking? |
| 12:11.02 | JademusSreg | No dead actors? |
| 12:11.06 | Fate | yes |
| 12:11.12 | gooose | fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck.... my buy ability isnt working anymore... cant spend other players rescources |
| 12:11.17 | Fate | it increases drasticaly |
| 12:11.46 | Fate | and doesnt dropp after the attact stopped |
| 12:12.16 | Zolden | 1200 actors per baneblade unit? |
| 12:12.42 | Fate | well there are a lot actors on the mapp |
| 12:13.23 | Zolden | killing actors is a good fps saving measure |
| 12:13.32 | Fate | doodads also count as actors do they |
| 12:13.42 | Zolden | yea |
| 12:14.08 | Kueken | in my baneblade testmap I have 290 actors, including enemies. When attacking, it increases to 500-600, then drops back to 290 when I stop attacking |
| 12:14.24 | Fate | well |
| 12:14.40 | gooose | i didnt even change anything in that ability .... fuck |
| 12:14.51 | Kueken | so its probably your new weapons creating actors and not destroying them |
| 12:14.59 | Fate | seems like my bande creates about 1000 actors in 1o seconds |
| 12:15.07 | Fate | and they dont dropp XD |
| 12:15.55 | JademusSreg | I wonder, did you duplicate this or copy paste the data? |
| 12:16.07 | Fate | i made a mod for that |
| 12:16.23 | JademusSreg | Same question applies. |
| 12:16.24 | Fate | then used the mod as dependence |
| 12:16.43 | Kueken | so jade the answer would be neither :) |
| 12:16.53 | Fate | but it would have be better to copypasted everything |
| 12:17.04 | Kueken | fate: deactivate your new weapons and try again |
| 12:17.20 | Fate | when i did that back then i didnt know that was posslible |
| 12:17.23 | JademusSreg | I mean unless it was reconstructed manually, the data was moved from A to B somehow. |
| 12:17.38 | JademusSreg | Or |
| 12:18.05 | JademusSreg | Or perhaps you mean Kuek packaged it as a mod. |
| 12:18.20 | Fate | no |
| 12:18.21 | Kueken | he got the map from me, made it to a mod |
| 12:18.43 | Fate | i made it a component list |
| 12:18.57 | JademusSreg | Phew, thought it was gonna take longer. |
| 12:19.00 | Fate | copypased the data in a compoent list for a mod |
| 12:19.12 | Fate | and then used the mod as dependence |
| 12:20.17 | Ahli | should I allow auras as a replacement of the default attack? |
| 12:20.18 | JademusSreg | The 3 smaller weapons you replaced, you made those, yes? |
| 12:20.43 | JademusSreg | Ahli, sure, allow players to do something that's probably dumb. |
| 12:20.43 | Fate | yes |
| 12:21.02 | JademusSreg | Because if they can make it work for them, no reason to limit that. |
| 12:21.58 | Kueken | if you deactivate the new weapons, does the actor count still rise? |
| 12:22.57 | Ahli | currently the default attack is used as a fallback command, if you can't use the skill you chose... that means that you can just permanently put an aura on your left mouse button and put mana consuming skills onto the right mouse button |
| 12:23.08 | Kueken | okay, killing units for 10 minutes, after stopping the attack my actors are still at 290. I am pretty sure, the original baneblade is innocent :) |
| 12:23.31 | Fate | i agree with that |
| 12:23.56 | Fate | i never said that it was your foult i would never say that ;) |
| 12:24.05 | JademusSreg | Ahli, well, it's on the command bar. |
| 12:24.10 | Kueken | well, it could have been, just wanted confirmation |
| 12:24.42 | Kueken | so, how are your weapons set up? |
| 12:24.43 | JademusSreg | If it can't be overridden/customized, probably doesn't belong there. =D |
| 12:24.49 | Fate | i also found out that the normal units dont increase the actors |
| 12:25.03 | Fate | so its my weapons for sure |
| 12:25.33 | Kueken | paste the xml data for your action actor |
| 12:25.34 | gooose | ok i m clueless i looked at an old backup where my shop is still working and its fucking the same |
| 12:25.44 | Kueken | one of them |
| 12:25.50 | Fate | okey sec |
| 12:25.59 | Kueken | probably confirm which weapon exactly causes the issue |
| 12:26.00 | Fate | wher shal i paste it? |
| 12:26.12 | Kueken | by deactivating the weapons one by one |
| 12:26.18 | gooose | the command card becomes aviable but if i try to buy smth it tells me i cant spend other players rescources , selling is still working |
| 12:26.24 | Kueken | also confirm only the new weapons show this behavior |
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| 12:27.14 | Fate | sry i have to go to wc :) |
| 12:29.19 | Fate | re |
| 12:31.33 | Fate | Kueken : http://peeeq.de/code.php?id=6166&language=10&style=6 |
| 12:34.31 | Kueken | no parent? |
| 12:34.50 | Ahli | sooo, time to make holy shock and holy fire aura work... requires aura values set/read for UI + dummy unit for damage calculations |
| 12:35.17 | Fate | kueken idk ;( |
| 12:35.44 | Kueken | if you double-click your actor |
| 12:35.52 | Kueken | there is a field called Parent: |
| 12:36.36 | Kueken | see it? |
| 12:36.47 | Fate | no |
| 12:37.19 | Kueken | there is Name, ID, Type, and then Parent |
| 12:37.27 | Fate | ah maybe its "ursprung " in german?^^ |
| 12:37.37 | Kueken | yes, probably :) |
| 12:37.51 | Kueken | what is selected? |
| 12:37.54 | Fate | BanebladGunFront |
| 12:38.04 | Kueken | okay |
| 12:38.11 | Fate | no Baneblade Attack Gun Front |
| 12:38.14 | Fate | and its grey |
| 12:38.21 | Kueken | use GenericAttack instead |
| 12:38.24 | Kueken | ah |
| 12:38.41 | Kueken | you changed the original action actor which used a beam to use a missile? |
| 12:38.52 | Kueken | yes, I see how this could cause some problems ;) |
| 12:39.05 | Fate | aha |
| 12:39.16 | Fate | why it that? |
| 12:39.43 | Kueken | lets say... because the editor sucks |
| 12:39.56 | Kueken | so |
| 12:40.13 | Fate | well as long its not my bad ^^ |
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| 12:40.59 | Kueken | I would suggest to not use the original actors, instead create a new weapon with new effects and new actors |
| 12:41.10 | Fate | -.- |
| 12:42.12 | Kubi | You can duplicate a weapon |
| 12:42.17 | Kubi | as long as you link it up properly |
| 12:42.44 | gooose | ok i isolated the issue to a trigger... |
| 12:44.43 | Kubi | ur mum is a trigger |
| 12:46.04 | Ahli | then he is clearly a thread to us |
| 12:46.55 | gooose | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3073 |
| 12:47.30 | gooose | ok how does this trigger cause my buy ability to say "cant spend other players resources" |
| 12:47.36 | gooose | the shop is owned by neutral |
| 12:53.48 | Kubi | gooose, are you trying to make a shop? |
| 12:54.03 | gooose | i do have one it was working |
| 12:54.10 | gooose | until i made that trigger |
| 12:55.22 | Kubi | You dont need ANY triggers to make a shop |
| 12:55.23 | Kubi | fyi |
| 12:55.44 | gooose | i know |
| 12:55.50 | gooose | did you even look at the trigger ^^ |
| 12:55.57 | gooose | it has nothing to do with the actual shop |
| 12:56.01 | Kubi | meh |
| 12:57.32 | gooose | the issue seems to be caused by Player - Make all players in (All players) treat each other as Enemy General - For each integer value1 from 0 to 15 with increment 1, do (Actions) Player - Make player 0 and player value1 treat each other as Neutral |
| 12:59.12 | Kubi | wtb icon for Scroll of Haste from Wc3 |
| 12:59.35 | gooose | well just recreate it |
| 12:59.51 | gooose | you know make a screenshot and change the gamma a little :P |
| 13:00.30 | Ahli | that? http://i33.tinypic.com/wmebh5.png |
| 13:01.05 | Kubi | yes thank you |
| 13:01.12 | Kubi | Ahli you got wc3 assets |
| 13:01.20 | Ahli | no |
| 13:01.24 | Ahli | I got google |
| 13:01.34 | gooose | well ok can someone tell my why activating either one of those lines http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3075 causes my shop to not work anymore? |
| 13:01.40 | Kubi | wtf |
| 13:01.42 | Kubi | I searched for it |
| 13:01.43 | Kubi | I didnt get shit |
| 13:01.56 | Kubi | Isnt it scroll of haste? |
| 13:02.01 | gooose | from what i understand the for loop shouldnt chage ANYthing on its own |
| 13:02.06 | Ahli | https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&safe=off&q=scroll+of+haste&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44770516,d.d2k&biw=1749&bih=957&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=0MpeUbiyGYrQ4QSUpoAg |
| 13:02.18 | Kubi | lol american version doesnt show it |
| 13:02.20 | Kubi | word |
| 13:02.40 | Kubi | Wait |
| 13:02.41 | Kubi | wtf |
| 13:02.42 | Kubi | lol |
| 13:02.47 | Kubi | I typed "Scroll of haste warcraft 3" |
| 13:04.56 | Kubi | Anyone have a psd file with alpha channel for sc2 buttons |
| 13:05.18 | gooose | WHY THE FUCK does this http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3076 make my shop not work anymore.... |
| 13:07.04 | Dustin | Cause it has to be ally for it to work I think |
| 13:07.08 | gooose | is the "neutral" (player 0) relationship to everyone actually "ally"? |
| 13:07.16 | Dustin | I ran into the same issue, their setup for shops is as bad as thir fucking lobby |
| 13:07.26 | Dustin | No, it's Neutral |
| 13:07.35 | Dustin | Neutral != Ally |
| 13:07.45 | gooose | well then this shouldnt make my shop not work anymore... gonna try ally now |
| 13:08.27 | gooose | yeaaa... |
| 13:08.33 | gooose | WHO the FUCK designed that shit |
| 13:08.44 | gooose | neutral is ally by default and lobby based on ID |
| 13:09.25 | gooose | well i was able to fix the lobby shit with one single trigger http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3073 but serioulsy neutral is ally? |
| 13:10.50 | Dustin | I scraped the Neutral shop in my map |
| 13:10.53 | Dustin | Too many problems |
| 13:11.05 | Dustin | Couldnt have more than 1 unit buying at a time |
| 13:11.36 | gooose | i think my shop can do that |
| 13:11.43 | gooose | gotta test brb |
| 13:13.40 | Kubi | Dustin , dont you user shop share? |
| 13:13.49 | Kubi | via data |
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| 13:16.20 | gooose | ok i found the issue.... my shop was treating itslef as enemy |
| 13:17.17 | Dustin | Kubi, no idea, I worked on it awhile back and got pissed, cause as soon as I fixed one problem it was another, so I gave the unit the ability to jsut buy shit from their own command card and said fuck it |
| 13:17.57 | Kubi | you can make a full functional shop (multi users etc) with like 3 actor datas |
| 13:18.05 | Kubi | one for pawn, one for share, and the train ability |
| 13:18.19 | Kubi | No triggers needed unless you have exceptions |
| 13:18.53 | Dustin | Yeah I think I might have missed the share, I might try to get it to work later today |
| 13:21.11 | Kubi | if you need help let me know |
| 13:21.21 | Kubi | It's essentially an ability with auto cast |
| 13:21.24 | Kubi | that finds heroes |
| 13:21.26 | Kubi | with a range of 2.5 |
| 13:21.30 | Kubi | turns off when out of range |
| 13:30.29 | twodie | so |
| 13:30.30 | twodie | http://youtu.be/Dz1EFRedS-U |
| 13:40.02 | Ahli | how does the marker stuff work? |
| 13:40.29 | Ahli | I want to avoid multiple of the same persistent with the same target unit... possible? |
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| 13:41.08 | Ahli | so, 2 persistents of type P aren't allowed to be on target unit U |
| 13:41.16 | Ahli | only 1 would be allowed |
| 13:43.06 | JademusSreg | I've not used markers. They seemed too limited. But that should be possible, given the match/mismatch flags. |
| 13:44.13 | JademusSreg | So far as I am aware, marker scope is the effect tree. |
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| 13:44.38 | Ahli | well, that's what the widow mine does afaIk |
| 13:44.44 | Ahli | need to check its settings |
| 13:45.03 | gooose | ok obvioulsy i screwed up |
| 13:45.07 | Ahli | rtschutter: gratulations for gsl using gameheart, if I'm informed correctly |
| 13:45.11 | gooose | whats the setting for player 0.... |
| 13:45.31 | gooose | its neither ally nor neutral nor enemy |
| 13:46.12 | gooose | is it even alliance or is it alliance one way or alliance aspect |
| 13:46.13 | Ahli | widow mine is only using "no markers", no changes in the marker settings |
| 13:51.57 | Ahli | didn't work o0 |
| 13:53.01 | Zolden | Ahli: set "no markers" validator to the affecting target effect, and set markers+ -> id under match flags of the persistent |
| 13:53.19 | yukaboy | Hey guys, It's morning for me, so good morning from the US! |
| 13:53.50 | JademusSreg | Pooz. |
| 13:53.52 | Ahli | k |
| 13:54.04 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 13:55.32 | gooose | so if i set alliance for player 0 with everyone to neutral ally or enemy my shop doesnt work...... only if i leave it as it was on gamestart but what WAS the setting on gamestart |
| 13:55.38 | Zolden | it's evening for me, but I can imagein somwhere is morning since I believe that earth is rather a rotating sphere than a disc |
| 13:56.51 | Ahli | doesn't work =/ |
| 13:56.56 | rtschutter | Thanks man! |
| 13:57.00 | rtschutter | Not GSL though just GSTL |
| 13:57.07 | rtschutter | but still really pleased |
| 13:57.12 | rtschutter | no major problems either |
| 13:57.12 | yukaboy | You must be in...the east? |
| 13:57.18 | yukaboy | zolden? |
| 13:58.23 | Zolden | yea, moscow |
| 13:58.31 | yukaboy | yea ok, that makes sense |
| 13:58.39 | yukaboy | opposite side of the world |
| 13:59.36 | Zolden | Ahli: describe the effect chain again |
| 13:59.54 | gooose | well created a workaround... fuck it http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3077 |
| 14:01.01 | Ahli | trigger creates a persistent effect from a dummyUnit to heroUnit... persistent effect remains active until the hero looses a behavior |
| 14:01.34 | Ahli | the persistent effect teleports the dummy unit to the hero position every 2 seconds and tries to damage nearby enemy units |
| 14:03.39 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
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| 14:07.23 | Kubi | Zorp |
| 14:08.28 | Zolden | Ahli: and you want other dummy units to be unable to apply more persistents of this kind? |
| 14:09.53 | Ahli | indeed... else the hero has multiple aura effects around him |
| 14:10.03 | Ahli | it's for diablo 2 aura: holy fire |
| 14:11.42 | Zolden | Ahli: is that behavior which ends the persistent created with persisitent? |
| 14:12.09 | Kubi | uh wtf, when I add a Countdown - Start time, it makes out at 60 seconds |
| 14:12.10 | Kubi | whyy |
| 14:12.24 | Kueken | any reason why you dont just make the aura a behavior? |
| 14:12.56 | Zolden | yea, and why to use trigger |
| 14:13.29 | Ahli | why not a persistent? :D |
| 14:13.39 | Kubi | Data editor is powerful use it |
| 14:13.42 | Zolden | and why dummy unit? |
| 14:13.46 | Kubi | I made a capture system out of datas |
| 14:13.48 | Kubi | balleer |
| 14:13.49 | Kueken | behaviors can be checked easily with validators |
| 14:14.02 | Kueken | or via trigger |
| 14:14.08 | Kueken | persistents.. not so much |
| 14:14.13 | Ahli | dummy unit is required to hold all data that is required for combat calculations in triggers when you try to hit a unit |
| 14:14.26 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 14:14.37 | Zolden | "persistent" includes "penis" |
| 14:15.35 | Zolden | Ahli: does this mean that you have exhausted all custom values of the hero? |
| 14:16.08 | Ahli | no |
| 14:16.43 | Ahli | all spells that are not melee attacks of the hero use dummy units to carry the combat data |
| 14:17.02 | gooose | is there a unit that terminates itslef upon creation? |
| 14:17.24 | Kueken | using a dummy unit just to store data... I wouldn't recommend doing that ;) |
| 14:17.29 | Kueken | but well |
| 14:17.49 | Ahli | that's how I started to implement arrows 2-3 years ago |
| 14:17.49 | Zolden | ok, so, can you validate that behavior which ends the persistent, to prevent applying more persistentes? |
| 14:17.58 | Ahli | performance wise it's fine in my map |
| 14:18.37 | Ahli | I can check that with triggers before I apply/reapply the behavior. |
| 14:18.54 | Ahli | I just wanted to learn to use markers :D |
| 14:19.01 | Kueken | I would either use behaviors as indicators on the main unit, or just use custom value to save currently active auras |
| 14:19.22 | Kueken | I don't think using markers here is the best way to do it |
| 14:19.23 | Zolden | Ahli: oh, I see... it must be aweful... recently i started to fix a map 1.5 year old, and it was made so noobly... i can imagine how noobly would be a map I started 3 years ago be made |
| 14:19.43 | Kueken | markers work best if you use them within one effect chain |
| 14:20.13 | Ahli | well... it's not noobly... basically it's the only way that allows me to have a lot of monsters running around with a lot of variety in stats possible |
| 14:20.20 | Kueken | if you can make it work, go ahead, I wouldn't know how |
| 14:20.39 | Zolden | i refreshed knowledge of markers 2 days ago by reading Kueken's tutorial of colliding projectiles |
| 14:20.53 | Ahli | well, widow mines use markers to avoid them shooting onto each other... so I was hoping that it works |
| 14:21.09 | Ahli | *shooting at units that other mines are targetting at |
| 14:21.50 | Ahli | maybe I would need to add a set with the marker before the effect with the validator is used |
| 14:22.15 | Ahli | blizzard doesn't use the effect with the marker and the marker validator in the same effect |
| 14:26.52 | Kueken | they do, actualy |
| 14:27.03 | Kueken | but multiple effects in the chain apply markers |
| 14:28.04 | Zolden | Ahli: if you won't find a use for markers, mark with behaviors |
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| 14:35.26 | yukaboy | I'm marketting myself for ideas, concepts, designs, and brainstorming. Anyone need ideas? |
| 14:35.41 | Zolden | yukaboy: yea, remake dune 2 |
| 14:35.58 | Zolden | oh, wait, you give ideas, not ask for them |
| 14:35.59 | Kueken | heh |
| 14:36.19 | Ahli | require skills for Rogue and my Sorcerer |
| 14:36.43 | yukaboy | ever played it anyways :P |
| 14:36.46 | yukaboy | never* |
| 14:37.03 | yukaboy | I kind of get how that would work though... |
| 14:41.57 | yukaboy | Kueken, I know you've been working on a mod for a protoss campaign, you need ideas? |
| 14:42.18 | Kueken | not right now |
| 14:42.26 | yukaboy | alright... |
| 14:42.31 | Kueken | :p |
| 14:42.37 | Kueken | hyperactive or something? |
| 14:42.52 | yukaboy | I need that job man... |
| 14:42.59 | yukaboy | I'm going crazy over designing |
| 14:43.11 | yukaboy | A game designer job might fix it... |
| 14:43.59 | Zolden | yukaboy: why don't you create your own map? |
| 14:45.37 | yukaboy | Zolden: I am; the issue is I'm working every hour that I'm awake, on school |
| 14:45.51 | Zolden | good for you |
| 14:47.16 | yukaboy | Yeah...I honestly don't agree... |
| 14:47.26 | JademusSreg | No one here is ever short on ideas. |
| 14:48.01 | yukaboy | Ehh, last night, they were |
| 14:48.33 | yukaboy | But I mean like dirty work ideas |
| 14:48.51 | yukaboy | like designing whatever you don't care about |
| 14:49.06 | yukaboy | That's usually what I end up designing anyways |
| 14:49.31 | yukaboy | Or maybe a designing something the person doesn't have time to design |
| 14:49.43 | yukaboy | like enexy had 500+ spells to design |
| 14:49.48 | yukaboy | guess who did lik 300 of them? |
| 14:49.54 | yukaboy | like* |
| 14:50.01 | Ahli | 500?! |
| 14:50.13 | yukaboy | yeah, idk what it was |
| 14:50.15 | yukaboy | I think it was more |
| 14:50.28 | yukaboy | like 765 or something |
| 14:50.34 | yukaboy | I dont remember |
| 14:51.02 | yukaboy | That job got squeezed all my creativity out |
| 14:51.07 | yukaboy | not doing that again :P |
| 14:53.01 | JademusSreg | With what editor features are you proficient? |
| 14:53.16 | yukaboy | Me? |
| 14:53.28 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
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| 14:53.39 | yukaboy | I'm decent with all parts of the editor |
| 14:53.42 | yukaboy | I don't specialize |
| 14:54.11 | yukaboy | I'm like the guy you use to quickly 20 minutes set up placeholders for everything |
| 14:55.43 | JademusSreg | So you use galaxy script? Custom xml layouts? Can use actor siteops and attaches to rotate models for doodads and units? Make cutscenes in the cutscene editor? |
| 14:56.03 | yukaboy | lol I meant the three standards |
| 14:56.08 | yukaboy | terrain triggers data |
| 14:56.43 | JademusSreg | Actors are data. |
| 14:57.01 | yukaboy | Yeah, I can do basic actors |
| 14:57.08 | yukaboy | I can't rotate doodads though |
| 14:57.37 | yukaboy | If you want to know my maximum skill in actors |
| 14:57.50 | yukaboy | I can fix k5 kerrigan to work correctly in a melee game |
| 14:58.00 | yukaboy | that's about the extent of it |
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| 15:00.57 | yukaboy | Even though I've been gone for a year, doing mods for other games, sc2mapster still hasn't changed |
| 15:01.11 | JademusSreg | That is accurate, yes. |
| 15:01.48 | yukaboy | Same people, same attitude, same editor, same everything |
| 15:02.44 | Dustin | Morning guys |
| 15:02.50 | JademusSreg | Yar. |
| 15:02.57 | yukaboy | morning |
| 15:03.02 | yukaboy | evening for some people... |
| 15:03.08 | yukaboy | but, morning anyways |
| 15:03.48 | yukaboy | Why don't we all just say morning instead of hello? I mean, it's always morning for somebody, right? |
| 15:06.15 | yukaboy | Ok, this time I'm asking for ideas... |
| 15:07.02 | twodie | <.< |
| 15:07.31 | Ahli | a tree with wings eating fish |
| 15:08.45 | yukaboy | My current project is a map, not a mod, similar to soulfilcher's "sc expanded" and it's in hots |
| 15:09.15 | twodie | i just had ideas how to remake SC1 tilesets |
| 15:09.49 | yukaboy | Any ideas on what I can do for protoss besides just giving them brood war units? |
| 15:10.35 | yukaboy | And another thing... |
| 15:10.50 | JademusSreg | Design: map with added stuff? |
| 15:11.06 | yukaboy | terran, even though they've got a lot of units and I've taken advantage of that, but they feel so plain |
| 15:11.14 | yukaboy | All the units do the same thing |
| 15:11.28 | yukaboy | hey have warhounds, goliaths, and thors |
| 15:11.31 | yukaboy | how can I make these different? |
| 15:11.41 | yukaboy | yes, jade |
| 15:12.02 | JademusSreg | What's the design for the gameplay? |
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| 15:12.18 | yukaboy | melee, very competitive, just with campaign dependencies |
| 15:12.20 | Enexy | yarrrrrrrrr |
| 15:12.34 | yukaboy | argh! |
| 15:12.40 | yukaboy | Yoho! |
| 15:13.14 | Enexy | bobo |
| 15:13.21 | Ahli | in the canceled sons of war mod for scbw, we had the Vanguard, a unit with a long range laser projectile that is fired at the target's point dealing area of effect damage on impact |
| 15:13.42 | JademusSreg | Blizz renamed it Drakken Laser Drill. |
| 15:13.51 | Ahli | we got an idea for an ability: teleport to own pylon |
| 15:14.22 | JademusSreg | Mmm, pure data teleporters. |
| 15:14.25 | Ahli | then we had a flying unit... basically a flying shield recharger |
| 15:14.39 | Ahli | that attacked with psi storms in melee range |
| 15:15.28 | yukaboy | sky toss is currently pretty powerful |
| 15:15.31 | yukaboy | so idk |
| 15:15.39 | yukaboy | I had ideas for an anti ground only protoss airship |
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| 15:15.58 | yukaboy | it's basically a mini mothership that you arent limited to how many you can build |
| 15:16.05 | yukaboy | and it uses a mini planet cracker |
| 15:16.13 | Kueken | arbiter :D |
| 15:16.20 | Kueken | oh, with planet cracker |
| 15:16.21 | yukaboy | lol |
| 15:16.23 | Kueken | nvm then |
| 15:16.24 | Ahli | terran had a bomber with a good air to ground attack, but close range, furthermore a unit that shot grenades that created an irradiate effect on the impact point damaging near biological units |
| 15:16.46 | yukaboy | ehh, still not digging it |
| 15:16.53 | yukaboy | it sounds interesting |
| 15:17.06 | yukaboy | but, I don't need terran air units |
| 15:17.14 | yukaboy | I asked for new protoss units |
| 15:17.26 | yukaboy | and how to fix wathound goliath thor so they dont overlap |
| 15:17.35 | yukaboy | warhound* |
| 15:17.44 | Ahli | zerg had the Bane which was a melee flying unit which had an ability to suicide onto ground targets to damage them. It was able to attack air units and buildings I believe |
| 15:17.55 | Ahli | that's all I remember =/ |
| 15:18.06 | yukaboy | that sounds interesting |
| 15:18.13 | yukaboy | I wanted to add like the sarm guardian |
| 15:18.18 | yukaboy | as a melee air unit |
| 15:18.26 | yukaboy | but zerg have enough air with hots |
| 15:18.37 | yukaboy | I need more ground units |
| 15:18.41 | yukaboy | :P |
| 15:18.49 | Kueken | fatty! |
| 15:19.03 | yukaboy | yea, when soul finishes that defiler |
| 15:19.10 | yukaboy | I was thinking you could have like |
| 15:19.16 | Kueken | or put some legs on the leviathan _D |
| 15:19.21 | yukaboy | a choice between infestor, fatty, or defiler |
| 15:19.27 | Kueken | brutalisk, primal zergs |
| 15:20.28 | yukaboy | Less zerg, more protoss, thanks |
| 15:20.45 | Kueken | no broodwar? |
| 15:20.50 | Kueken | dragoon reaver etc |
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| 15:21.00 | yukaboy | You didnt see it cuz I said it earlier |
| 15:21.06 | yukaboy | but I said I was adding brood war units |
| 15:21.10 | yukaboy | what ELSE could I add? |
| 15:21.32 | Kueken | soul hunter, twilight archon from beta |
| 15:21.53 | gooose | whats the link for referencing an name of an ability of an unit in abilarray |
| 15:21.55 | Kueken | replicant from HotS beta |
| 15:22.02 | yukaboy | I need a model |
| 15:22.20 | yukaboy | I think |
| 15:22.22 | gooose | <d ref="Unit,Container,AbilArray[0],Link,Name" precision = "1"/> doesnt work |
| 15:22.26 | yukaboy | I dont remember who's resources it was |
| 15:22.34 | yukaboy | but somebody had a whole bunch of models |
| 15:22.39 | yukaboy | one was called an avenger |
| 15:23.04 | Ahli | why do you use , instead of . ? |
| 15:23.23 | Ahli | and strings have no precision |
| 15:23.40 | gooose | hehe |
| 15:24.02 | gooose | uhm i always did it with , |
| 15:24.05 | gooose | and it s working |
| 15:24.26 | Ahli | hmmm, my persistent doesn't remove itself o0 |
| 15:24.28 | Kueken | you can use preserver models, lasarra, tassadar |
| 15:25.02 | Kueken | stone zealot |
| 15:25.12 | gooose | also i have never referenced a sting before :P |
| 15:25.16 | gooose | r |
| 15:25.17 | Kueken | shuttle |
| 15:25.36 | yukaboy | I added preserver |
| 15:25.37 | yukaboy | shuttle |
| 15:25.43 | yukaboy | and stone zlot |
| 15:25.50 | yukaboy | already |
| 15:25.59 | yukaboy | I didnt use lasarra though, or tassadar |
| 15:26.05 | Kueken | protoss snake |
| 15:26.18 | yukaboy | No, I'm not using that piece of junk |
| 15:26.51 | yukaboy | But, what would lasarra and tassadar do? |
| 15:26.59 | Kueken | no idea :D |
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| 15:27.10 | yukaboy | preserver recharges shields |
| 15:27.14 | yukaboy | like a protoss medic |
| 15:27.20 | Stewox | hello |
| 15:27.30 | yukaboy | but what would tassadar and lasarra do? |
| 15:27.48 | Stewox | again I am working on triggers something and i need ANY UNIT FROM UNIT GROUP or ALL UNITS FROM UNIT GROUP and i can't make this happen |
| 15:27.49 | yukaboy | hello |
| 15:27.57 | Stewox | i need to SET UNIT STATE |
| 15:28.29 | Stewox | and All i can do is stupid "Unit from Unit Group" or "Random unit from Unit Group" .... what the heck is for ALL and ANY ? |
| 15:28.55 | yukaboy | pick each unit in unit group |
| 15:29.00 | yukaboy | and do actions |
| 15:29.13 | Stewox | allright let me try |
| 15:30.04 | gooose | well gonna hardcode it then |
| 15:30.47 | yukaboy | Anyone have ideas for my map? |
| 15:30.52 | yukaboy | I have all the gateway units |
| 15:31.04 | yukaboy | and I have preservers that recharge shields like a protoss medic |
| 15:31.10 | yukaboy | what would lasarra and tassadar do? |
| 15:35.13 | yukaboy | No ideas? Probably because nobody is active... |
| 15:38.48 | Dustin | Stewox, what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 15:39.11 | Stewox | there are like 20 buildings scattered |
| 15:39.20 | Stewox | so it's easier to just call them all instead of one by one |
| 15:39.51 | Stewox | but i get it why All Units in Unit Group doesn't exist , because the value type is INT |
| 15:39.58 | Enexy | Tassadar would destroy entire worlds |
| 15:40.08 | Stewox | for example |
| 15:40.19 | Stewox | Unit from Unit Group has index: 1 |
| 15:40.35 | Stewox | index 1 cannot be a function other than INT |
| 15:40.39 | Dustin | You just want to see if a unit is in a unit group right? |
| 15:40.44 | Enexy | how long would it take for you, as in your body, to pass through a solid wall? |
| 15:40.44 | Dustin | There's a function for that im sure |
| 15:41.04 | Stewox | well i already did it through Pick Each Unit in Unit Group, but it always screws me as i forgot this |
| 15:41.14 | Stewox | instead of doing the intended action first |
| 15:41.21 | Enexy | Did you know you can pass through a solid wall? |
| 15:41.26 | Stewox | this has to be done before the intended action of Set Unit State |
| 15:41.27 | Dustin | If Unit <Variable> is in UnitGroup <Unit Group Variable> = true, then do actions |
| 15:41.56 | Stewox | so if you make Set Unit State first, you can select all units in region , this is also for all other stuff as well, not just Set unit State |
| 15:42.53 | yukaboy | I think tassadar should be like a normal unit; have an attack and one ability |
| 15:43.02 | yukaboy | and lasarra should be a spellcaster |
| 15:49.29 | Stewox | dustin youkaboy already reminded me of it |
| 15:49.47 | Stewox | it's pick each unit in unit group, a really really stupid name |
| 15:50.16 | Dustin | If you're wanting to check if a unitsi n a unit grou ptheres a better way is what im saying |
| 15:50.23 | Dustin | Also For each unit in unit group is better than pick |
| 15:50.44 | Dustin | because you can nest them if you need |
| 15:51.58 | yukaboy | Mr Dustin, yo uhve ofciall ymRRder ed your zpellng! |
| 15:53.15 | Stewox | oh |
| 15:53.17 | Dustin | My spelling was fine, my spacing was off :P |
| 15:53.28 | Dustin | Trying to type and work at the same time lol |
| 15:53.53 | Stewox | but i don't find any way to disable/enable units in terms of function |
| 15:53.57 | Stewox | will Hidden work? |
| 15:54.04 | Stewox | or stunned ? |
| 15:54.20 | Stewox | well I already pre-placed them in this case |
| 15:54.42 | Stewox | but in this case i should have created it at locations at trigger event |
| 15:55.28 | Stewox | or at least disable their behaviors until trigger action |
| 15:57.40 | yukaboy | K, how could I make warhounds, goliaths, and thors not overlap? |
| 15:58.06 | yukaboy | At the momeny, warhounds are the lightest and fastest |
| 15:58.11 | yukaboy | goliaths are in the middle |
| 15:58.14 | yukaboy | thors are slowest |
| 15:58.23 | yukaboy | but their jobs are currently identical |
| 15:58.53 | Kueken | well, warhounds have no antiair |
| 15:58.59 | yukaboy | de them do anti air |
| 15:59.03 | yukaboy | changed their ability |
| 15:59.11 | yukaboy | it was stupid to me to only attack mechanical |
| 15:59.32 | yukaboy | made* not de |
| 15:59.41 | Stewox | i've done the trigger and it's showin me red icon |
| 15:59.46 | Stewox | why, everything's fine |
| 15:59.55 | yukaboy | try saving the document |
| 16:00.25 | Stewox | i did and still nothing |
| 16:00.27 | Stewox | well |
| 16:00.33 | yukaboy | idk |
| 16:00.37 | yukaboy | it may be bugged |
| 16:00.38 | Stewox | now it did work when i disabled and renabled it |
| 16:00.50 | yukaboy | yeah, editor got buggy |
| 16:00.54 | Stewox | where's trigger-recheck button |
| 16:00.57 | yukaboy | I have no idea when |
| 16:00.59 | Stewox | parser |
| 16:01.16 | Stewox | manual |
| 16:01.47 | yukaboy | i understand 20% of what you're saying |
| 16:01.57 | yukaboy | What is it you're trying to accomplish |
| 16:02.08 | yukaboy | and what is your current problem |
| 16:02.30 | Dustin | It does that sometimes Stewox, just gotta ignore it and itll fix itself |
| 16:02.47 | Stewox | allright i checked view scripts and no errors |
| 16:03.24 | yukaboy | Any ideas on how to make warhounds, goliaths and thors not overlap? |
| 16:03.32 | yukaboy | hey have the same role right now |
| 16:03.39 | yukaboy | I changed warhounds to attack air |
| 16:03.41 | Stewox | also i know the data module updates when you reload module so, it's not totally real-time editor |
| 16:08.15 | yukaboy | I chose the most inactive time to be active on mapster -.- |
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| 16:10.03 | RedRookLord | much better |
| 16:10.14 | RedRookLord | I dont like "yukaboy" much |
| 16:10.18 | RedRookLord | :) |
| 16:10.24 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 16:10.57 | RedRookLord | Can I get a name change on mapster? |
| 16:11.07 | RedRookLord | I wanna be me instead of that ugly name |
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| 16:15.34 | RedRookLord | I'm yukaboy, just putting that out there |
| 16:15.43 | Zolden | "pen" seem to be a base class for "pencil" and "penis" |
| 16:16.29 | RedRookLord | penny |
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| 16:16.51 | RedRookLord | you wouldnt know "penny" |
| 16:16.52 | tehbone | how do restrict the team sizes in the lobby? it should be 3v3 and is 3v3 when you enter the lobby but you can move players around and change it to 4v2 |
| 16:16.57 | RedRookLord | US term for base coin |
| 16:17.17 | Zolden | is penny - little penis? |
| 16:17.26 | RedRookLord | n |
| 16:17.28 | RedRookLord | no* |
| 16:17.49 | RedRookLord | it's a US copper coin |
| 16:17.59 | RedRookLord | the smallest amount of money you can have |
| 16:18.16 | Cardanis | This might be a stupid question, but do we have a resource for the models that were removed in the Alpha build of WoL? |
| 16:18.25 | Zolden | i heard its cent, while penny is british |
| 16:18.34 | tehbone | we don't have them |
| 16:19.02 | Kueken | did someone say penny? |
| 16:19.03 | Kueken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F79PG1ZP9Y0 |
| 16:19.17 | RedRookLord | It is cent, but penny is the title of the coin |
| 16:19.37 | RedRookLord | "quarter" and "dime" are other examples of our coin titles |
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| 16:20.01 | Enexy | roaarrrrr |
| 16:20.10 | RedRookLord | Im yukaboy, just putting that out there |
| 16:20.13 | RedRookLord | people get confused |
| 16:20.17 | RedRookLord | I like this name better |
| 16:20.19 | Enexy | Gay name |
| 16:20.23 | Kueken | :-* |
| 16:20.30 | Enexy | Devil is better |
| 16:20.36 | Enexy | :) |
| 16:20.43 | RedRookLord | "Deviler" is another anme I go by |
| 16:20.45 | Zolden | yukaboy, you seem to be a nerd |
| 16:20.45 | Enexy | RedRookDevil is better |
| 16:20.46 | Enexy | even |
| 16:20.55 | Enexy | LOL |
| 16:21.00 | Enexy | Spot on, Zolden |
| 16:21.02 | Enexy | SPOT ON |
| 16:21.03 | RedRookLord | I am, thanks |
| 16:21.13 | Enexy | Zolden, you seem to be a nerd hating on a nerd |
| 16:21.13 | Enexy | lol |
| 16:21.22 | Enexy | j/k j/k lol |
| 16:21.24 | RedRookLord | Um, durr? |
| 16:21.45 | RedRookLord | Why would I be here if I wasnt a nerd? |
| 16:21.55 | Enexy | Because you aspire to be a game designer? |
| 16:22.06 | RedRookLord | I can't be both? |
| 16:22.30 | Zolden | Enexy: how calling X - X is hating? r u from parallel universe with different logic rules |
| 16:22.30 | Enexy | That question should not be answered. |
| 16:22.49 | Enexy | Parallel universe would have the same logic rules |
| 16:22.51 | Enexy | XD |
| 16:23.12 | Enexy | QUICK QUESTION ZOLDEN 10 SECONDS |
| 16:23.16 | Enexy | HOW FAR IS THE CLOSEST PARALLEL UNIVERSE |
| 16:23.20 | RedRookLord | A parallel universe just has different choices |
| 16:23.21 | Zolden | i think there is a universe where calling x - penis isn't hating |
| 16:23.24 | RedRookLord | so it's a different history |
| 16:23.28 | RedRookLord | and different present |
| 16:23.38 | Zolden | Enexy: you seem to be a nerd too |
| 16:23.57 | Enexy | I am no nerd |
| 16:23.59 | Enexy | How dare you |
| 16:23.59 | Enexy | wth |
| 16:24.14 | RedRookLord | He programs a complex server based program to allow people to connect to each other through different games |
| 16:24.25 | RedRookLord | I'd say you're wrong enexy |
| 16:24.44 | Zolden | but I can answer: distance isn't defined between parallel universes |
| 16:25.12 | Kueken | Zolden: tell me one thing |
| 16:25.23 | Kueken | we are in a SC2 mapping channel |
| 16:25.32 | Kueken | who do you think is NOT a nerd down here? |
| 16:26.04 | RedRookLord | Apparently we have basketball players who like sc2 mapping channels |
| 16:26.15 | Zolden | some nerds are nerdier, for example, Taintedwisp is less nerd than others |
| 16:26.18 | Enexy | Yeah, finger basketball |
| 16:26.29 | Kueken | in this case they are nerd basketball players, by definition |
| 16:26.43 | Kueken | :) |
| 16:26.49 | RedRookLord | I'm more nerd than most |
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| 16:27.30 | Kueken | I like dancing, cooking, single malt. Am I a nerd? |
| 16:27.44 | Kueken | hell yeah |
| 16:27.51 | Zolden | singularity isn't integratable, so there is no distance between parallel universes |
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| 16:28.39 | RedRookLord | You're talking sci fi here, makes sense though...sc2 |
| 16:28.53 | Zolden | i think we are rather geeks than nerds |
| 16:29.02 | RedRookLord | perhaps |
| 16:29.22 | RedRookLord | I was told that nerds were advanced intelligence school people |
| 16:29.25 | Kueken | Zolden: I never quite got the difference |
| 16:29.30 | RedRookLord | and geeks were fnaatics over a topic |
| 16:29.33 | Zolden | but these sets are intersecting |
| 16:29.34 | RedRookLord | fanatics* |
| 16:30.28 | Zolden | Kueken: geeks are about computers, videogames, comics, sci-fi, while nerds are more about science, wide knowledge |
| 16:30.54 | Zolden | both requires high intelligence |
| 16:31.01 | PinkyBlue | nerds are fanatic of comics, games etc: and nerds are fanatics of gadgets :) |
| 16:31.02 | Kueken | and which ones were required to wear glasses? |
| 16:31.04 | gooose | whats the sound name of "i mengsk" ? |
| 16:31.46 | RedRookLord | mengsk is such a wierd name |
| 16:31.50 | RedRookLord | wierd to pronounce |
| 16:31.51 | Zolden | yea, and glasses, thick glasses |
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| 16:32.05 | owls | thank god for editorbackup |
| 16:32.13 | RedRookLord | I'll have you know, I have thin glasses |
| 16:32.16 | Zolden | yea, there is something strange abount "mengsk" |
| 16:32.18 | RedRookLord | that break every 5 minutes |
| 16:32.20 | RedRookLord | but still |
| 16:32.26 | Zolden | sounds like a name for an insect |
| 16:32.33 | Stewox | are you fucking kidding me or what |
| 16:32.40 | RedRookLord | I squish that mengsk bug! |
| 16:32.46 | Kueken | mengskling |
| 16:32.49 | gooose | you are not helpful |
| 16:32.53 | Stewox | i can't get this to work |
| 16:33.07 | Stewox | and i abandoned SET UNIT STATE |
| 16:33.16 | Stewox | so i went for Disable or Enable Ability |
| 16:33.19 | Zolden | mutalingsk |
| 16:33.21 | PinkyBlue | btw it is Friday today.... :) |
| 16:33.32 | Stewox | and for some reason THIS ABILITY DOES NOT EXIST ?? |
| 16:33.35 | Stewox | in triggers |
| 16:33.39 | Stewox | WTF |
| 16:33.43 | PinkyBlue | anybody remember what s going on every Friday ? :) |
| 16:33.54 | RedRookLord | Yelling at us for your incomptitence doesnt help, give us details |
| 16:34.42 | RedRookLord | map night? |
| 16:34.52 | RedRookLord | the thing that I cant celebrate unless I go to EU server? |
| 16:34.54 | gooose | i want to use that music file http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOigXhzMfjQ&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL119B792DB652448B |
| 16:35.24 | Zolden | RedRookLord: these days we do global map night which starts in europe and ends in us |
| 16:35.25 | gooose | but i dont know its name |
| 16:35.41 | twodie | what?> |
| 16:35.44 | twodie | friday already?!?!1 |
| 16:35.49 | Stewox | Sensor Tower - Radar |
| 16:35.50 | twodie | fuck |
| 16:35.51 | Enexy | it's friday |
| 16:35.52 | Enexy | friday |
| 16:35.54 | Enexy | gotta get that friday |
| 16:36.01 | twodie | i missed one of the week day |
| 16:36.05 | twodie | hmmmmmmmm |
| 16:36.08 | Stewox | LOL |
| 16:36.09 | Stewox | OMFG |
| 16:36.12 | Stewox | SAME thing |
| 16:36.15 | Stewox | at the same time |
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| 16:36.22 | Enexy | hey devil |
| 16:36.23 | Stewox | i thought it was THURSDAY ??!?!?! |
| 16:36.26 | Enexy | what you do on SC2 nowadays |
| 16:36.29 | Touk | no |
| 16:36.32 | Zolden | twodie: i think men in black blacked you out for being a witness of alien activity |
| 16:36.33 | Touk | fucken enexy is here |
| 16:36.35 | RedRookLord | Friday, friday...get out of my way...eat that hay...and...aww forget it...I'm no goodf at rap... |
| 16:36.52 | twodie | Zolden its probably best explanation :/ |
| 16:37.24 | RedRookLord | I make maps |
| 16:37.25 | RedRookLord | and |
| 16:37.30 | RedRookLord | come here |
| 16:37.34 | RedRookLord | I guess thats it |
| 16:37.35 | RedRookLord | lol |
| 16:38.14 | PinkyBlue | so guys, do you spend more time on US server after global play ? |
| 16:38.25 | PinkyBlue | i cann't find any mapsters at EU :( |
| 16:38.36 | PinkyBlue | Empty chats, empty group :9 |
| 16:38.52 | RedRookLord | Its 9:40 for me and Im in US |
| 16:38.54 | twodie | Sometimes in the middle of the day there are some people |
| 16:38.57 | PinkyBlue | i feel myself lonely :) |
| 16:38.59 | RedRookLord | nobody should be on in the US atm |
| 16:39.07 | RedRookLord | It's not exactly night |
| 16:39.40 | PinkyBlue | It is evening in Europe. The best time for playing computer games :) |
| 16:39.58 | RedRookLord | It's morning for me and It's a good time to be on irc |
| 16:40.08 | RedRookLord | thats how it is over here right now |
| 16:40.14 | PinkyBlue | RedRook lol where are you from? :) |
| 16:40.19 | RedRookLord | I live in the Arizona state, one of the hottest |
| 16:40.21 | RedRookLord | US |
| 16:40.27 | Enexy | haha |
| 16:40.28 | PinkyBlue | ah |
| 16:40.31 | Enexy | I'm speaking to an AZ customer now |
| 16:40.35 | Touk | how do i ingore someone on irc? |
| 16:40.36 | gooose | noone knows? ffs |
| 16:42.08 | RedRookLord | It gets to like...120 out here at this time of year |
| 16:42.17 | gooose | ok does one of you know a sound that is longer than 10 seconds and is epic ( i want to play it if a capital ship appears) |
| 16:42.49 | RedRookLord | lol, the siege tank from sc1 quote |
| 16:42.57 | RedRookLord | Dun duh duh dow dw, dun duh duh... |
| 16:44.30 | gooose | i d prefer the name of the sound file :) |
| 16:44.37 | RedRookLord | lol |
| 16:44.42 | RedRookLord | I don't know |
| 16:44.47 | RedRookLord | I could go find something |
| 16:44.51 | RedRookLord | but I'm busy right now |
| 16:45.12 | gooose | i do have a candidate (i mengsk) but i dont know its name |
| 16:45.59 | SaVi | wait a moment^^ today is map night?^^ |
| 16:45.59 | RedRookLord | I don't either |
| 16:46.05 | RedRookLord | YES! |
| 16:46.14 | SaVi | when does it start? |
| 16:46.19 | RedRookLord | Now? |
| 16:46.22 | SaVi | :O |
| 16:46.35 | SaVi | On which region |
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| 16:48.12 | goose_ | everything that is better than UI_Terranwarningping is fine :) |
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| 16:50.49 | goose_ | XD |
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| 16:55.32 | Enexy | where'd everyone go |
| 16:55.33 | Enexy | lamee |
| 16:55.38 | Dustin | Net Split |
| 16:56.00 | twodie_ | bam |
| 16:56.04 | Enexy | damn we back in battle.net .5 days |
| 16:57.08 | twodie | someone call Zolden! |
| 16:59.50 | SaVi | tell me when mapnight is going to start ^^ At the moment i dont see much :P |
| 17:01.03 | twodie | well it will start when you get anyone to start playing somethgin! |
| 17:04.47 | twodie | btw US or EU? cause im on EU right now at least |
| 17:08.29 | PinkyBlue_ | well, i will join in few minutes |
| 17:08.51 | PinkyBlue_ | i am sure Eu, coz it is morning in US now lol :) |
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| 17:16.12 | twodie | Zolden any automatic tool to scale selected objects in 3ds max? |
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| 17:20.04 | RedRookLord | Been having a rough time reconnecting to irc |
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| 17:23.13 | SaVi | which channel!? |
| 17:23.19 | SaVi | sc2mapster is empty ^^ |
| 17:24.05 | Zolden | twodie: scale isn't automatic for you? |
| 17:24.22 | twodie | Savi not channel, group |
| 17:24.28 | twodie | well |
| 17:24.33 | twodie | im using manual scale |
| 17:25.00 | Zolden | i don't know |
| 17:26.13 | twodie | okay |
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| 17:31.38 | RedRookLord_ | how do you change nick without dc? |
| 17:32.13 | twodie | ./nick nick |
| 17:32.20 | RedRookLord_ | thx |
| 17:33.35 | Fate | does anyoe else has that bug witch apprears when u select mulible data objekts and that list the wrong actors under the selectet objets? |
| 17:33.49 | Fate | i have that bug since hots |
| 17:35.01 | RedRookLord | I dont think I've seen that b4 |
| 17:36.44 | twodie | So go for mapnight? |
| 17:38.53 | RedRookLord | I had this idea of making a map where everything is downscaled A LOT. I the cool thing about this is I wanted to make the regular weapons, super weapons, so missiles are nukes, lasers are just bigger, and there's railguns and all kinds of stuff. Anyone have ideas for other superweapons? |
| 17:40.29 | twodie | sure not |
| 17:42.15 | twodie | Mapnight join to Group on EU server |
| 17:42.24 | PinkyBlue_ | hey hey hey anybody for EU Night ? :) |
| 17:44.09 | Repo | New experimental map: All Hope is Lost - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/all-hope-lost/ |
| 17:44.23 | Repo | New map: Probes v Zealot 2 - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/probes-v-zealot-2/ |
| 17:44.24 | Repo | New map: Minigame Party - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/minigame-party/ |
| 17:45.41 | PinkyBlue_ | Repo |
| 17:45.48 | twodie | he is robot |
| 17:46.12 | PinkyBlue_ | Invite |
| 17:46.20 | PinkyBlue_ | lol |
| 17:46.21 | PinkyBlue_ | woot? |
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| 17:47.59 | twodie | :) |
| 17:48.15 | JademusSreg | Zooop. |
| 17:48.20 | twodie | Zopa |
| 17:49.31 | RedRookLord | Pow |
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| 17:50.38 | RedRookLord | is lonely |
| 17:50.56 | twodie | go EU server for some mapsfun ! |
| 17:51.18 | RedRookLord | Can't |
| 17:51.21 | RedRookLord | :P |
| 17:51.39 | twodie | so gl being lonely boy in the world! |
| 17:53.19 | RedRookLord | Sixen makes an appearance for once... |
| 17:53.20 | RedRookLord | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/50983-music-sound-forum-section/#p12 |
| 17:54.54 | Dustin | sixen is always around, you jsut have to know how to summon him. |
| 17:56.29 | RedRookLord | Then summon him :P |
| 17:57.06 | Dustin | With great power comes great responsibility... |
| 17:57.50 | RedRookLord | Nice quote |
| 17:58.03 | RedRookLord | bibendus knows the secret |
| 17:58.13 | RedRookLord | ask for a new forum section |
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| 18:06.12 | RedRookLord | is awesome, just because... |
| 18:09.40 | Zolden | when will new south park series come out? |
| 18:09.44 | RedRookLord | This guy drew this epic picture of a jumping hellion http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/51084-custom-mover-special-hellion-jump/#p1 |
| 18:10.06 | Zolden | lol |
| 18:11.03 | RedRookLord | Of course, it's actually him needing help |
| 18:11.12 | RedRookLord | not my area of expertise tho... |
| 18:11.44 | Zolden | movers is one of the hardest thing to understand by some reason |
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| 18:20.09 | Cardanis | That. . . .is the best thing I've ever seen |
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| 18:21.02 | twodie | anyone for EU mapnight? |
| 18:23.54 | JademusSreg | Oh yeah. |
| 18:25.36 | twodie | so you will join or you will move your mover to the next level? |
| 18:25.56 | JademusSreg | Naw, just remembering Red == yuka. |
| 18:29.49 | Enexy | :) |
| 18:34.54 | RedRookLord | is yukaboy, but better |
| 18:36.02 | RedRookLord | What super weapons could I have in a map? |
| 18:36.09 | RedRookLord | I have nukes, railguns, and lasers |
| 18:36.46 | A1win | x__x nearly finished with my tutorial, taken all day so far |
| 18:37.25 | A1win | just need to add a skip button on the UI... |
| 18:37.48 | RedRookLord | you are creating a tutorial? |
| 18:38.17 | RedRookLord | 360 no scopes Enexy |
| 18:40.39 | Zolden | RedRookLord: wanna advice? |
| 18:41.56 | RedRookLord | what advice? |
| 18:43.49 | A1win | yeah a tutorial for CraftCraft |
| 18:44.04 | A1win | that you can view while others already start playing |
| 18:44.32 | RedRookLord | great |
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| 18:45.19 | Kubi | hmm I set a cooldown on an ability |
| 18:45.24 | Kubi | however it doesnt work? |
| 18:45.29 | Kubi | Any ideas? |
| 18:46.03 | RedRookLord | Which ability? Custom? |
| 18:46.55 | Kubi | Yea |
| 18:46.58 | Kubi | Duplicate of Blink |
| 18:48.41 | RedRookLord | How set cooldown by going to cost+ > cooldown section > time set? |
| 18:49.11 | RedRookLord | You* not how |
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| 18:49.17 | Zolden | RedRookLord: this is a good nick change, but you can improve it further |
| 18:49.50 | RedRookLord | Zolden: And how would you improve it? |
| 18:50.34 | Kubi | Yea |
| 18:50.36 | Kubi | thats already set |
| 18:50.40 | Kubi | I am thinknig its in the link |
| 18:50.52 | RedRookLord | maybe |
| 18:51.04 | RedRookLord | I would mess around with stuff until it worked |
| 18:51.08 | RedRookLord | thats how I do things |
| 18:52.31 | Kubi | God damn it |
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| 19:00.55 | Kubi | GGRRR |
| 19:00.59 | Kubi | This shit is not working |
| 19:01.01 | Kubi | I added my own link |
| 19:01.01 | Kubi | ffs |
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| 19:09.49 | Stewox | by the way, i'll probably figure it out but to save me some time does anybody know what or where is the flag to set a CARGO to be able to have weapon ports, like bunker |
| 19:10.03 | Kubi | This is pissing me off to no end |
| 19:10.13 | RedRookLord | A 3 year old thread just got bumped http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/13863-making-a-unit-spawn-when-another-unit-dies/?page=2#posts |
| 19:11.31 | RedRookLord | @stewox: No idea, but check out the bunker and the medivac and compare them |
| 19:11.49 | Stewox | doing for battle fortress |
| 19:11.57 | Stewox | em .. planetary fortress |
| 19:12.50 | Stewox | my brain hardlinked to C&C Red Alert 2 :p |
| 19:14.02 | Kubi | Why |
| 19:14.03 | Kubi | the |
| 19:14.04 | Kubi | FUCK |
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| 19:14.22 | Kubi | Does my ability have a cooldown when I set it in the ability. Also I added a fucking link to it. |
| 19:15.12 | Ahli | the moment I realize that the code can't compile after pressing on save... |
| 19:15.52 | Kubi | god damn it |
| 19:15.54 | Kubi | I give the fuck up |
| 19:16.16 | RedRookLord | Watch your language |
| 19:17.41 | Kubi | suck my dick |
| 19:17.49 | Kubi | im drunk since 9 |
| 19:17.50 | Kubi | am |
| 19:18.27 | RedRookLord | I dont drink |
| 19:18.54 | goose_ | so i cant add attributes via trigger directly right? |
| 19:19.05 | Kubi | AHGIhsidfAgojasdgj |
| 19:19.39 | goose_ | i ll have to do a workaround with behaviors that add attributes correct? |
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| 19:22.36 | RedRookLord | can I get confirmation? |
| 19:22.47 | RedRookLord | does duration 0 mean it lasts infinitely until you take it away? |
| 19:23.46 | goose_ | where is the difference? |
| 19:24.09 | RedRookLord | what difference? |
| 19:24.33 | goose_ | yea infinite duration will still be over if you take ti away |
| 19:25.03 | RedRookLord | huh? |
| 19:25.09 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:25.17 | RedRookLord | I'm asking if a duration of 0 seconds means it lasts infinitely |
| 19:25.22 | goose_ | yea |
| 19:25.24 | JademusSreg | *indefinitely |
| 19:25.24 | goose_ | it does |
| 19:25.24 | RedRookLord | or is it -1? |
| 19:25.34 | goose_ | well -1 is a few thousand years |
| 19:25.48 | goose_ | i think they ll have server maintainance during that time |
| 19:26.09 | RedRookLord | does 42 make it spazz out? |
| 19:26.14 | RedRookLord | duration? |
| 19:27.15 | Ahli | in behaviors, duration 0 is infinite... in persistent effects, 0 periods will skip all periodic effects unless you check the "persistent until destroyed" flag. |
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| 19:28.29 | RedRookLord | post that on forums |
| 19:28.34 | RedRookLord | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/51087-applying-a-behavior-effect/#p3 |
| 19:32.37 | terran | hey |
| 19:32.47 | terran | can i raise cliff more than 4? |
| 19:32.54 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 19:33.32 | Sixen | indeed |
| 19:34.12 | JademusSreg | Though if you're commited to extensive workarounds, you could probably use the bottom cliff level which is unpathable. |
| 19:34.21 | twodie | http://youtu.be/nMMxIAn_76g |
| 19:34.57 | Stewox | by the way, i'll probably figure it out but to save me some time does anybody know what or where is the flag to set a CARGO to be able to have weapon ports, like bunker |
| 19:35.03 | Stewox | asked before |
| 19:35.14 | Stewox | redrook from the first glance i found 2 flags |
| 19:35.22 | Stewox | Allow Passanger Smart Command |
| 19:35.28 | Stewox | and Allow Smart Command |
| 19:35.28 | JademusSreg | You'd need to modify cliff type data and their meshes probably, and set the pathing of the level manually, by painting or doodad. |
| 19:35.30 | Kubi | This fucking link ability cooldown is fucking stupid |
| 19:35.34 | Kubi | going to take a nap |
| 19:35.56 | A1win | anyone up for testing this tutorial a bit? |
| 19:36.01 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 19:36.02 | Ahli | god, so many people that didn't see the second post in that thread |
| 19:36.11 | JademusSreg | Sure, A1. |
| 19:36.20 | JademusSreg | I have a few minutes to spare. |
| 19:36.38 | A1win | I'll just publish it and should be good to go |
| 19:36.53 | JademusSreg | NA, yes? |
| 19:37.09 | A1win | EU rather if you don't mind |
| 19:37.21 | RedRookLord | Oh, Stewox |
| 19:37.24 | RedRookLord | another thing |
| 19:37.27 | JademusSreg | Guess I'll give it a shot. |
| 19:37.36 | RedRookLord | i think the bunker has an ability on its command card |
| 19:37.48 | RedRookLord | something that lets units inside able to attack |
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| 19:38.08 | terran | hey |
| 19:38.10 | RedRookLord | its like "attack - cargo" or something |
| 19:38.10 | Stewox | oh ofcourse tnx |
| 19:38.14 | terran | can i make a revolving door? |
| 19:38.27 | terran | a door spins |
| 19:39.27 | ckSynergy | anyone here know how to use the cutscene editor? |
| 19:39.28 | JademusSreg | I've not logged on to EU before. =D |
| 19:39.41 | A1win | ;x it should be easy |
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| 19:40.47 | Zolden | RedRookLord: you would improve it by drastically simplifying it |
| 19:40.59 | Zolden | call yourself Red, and u'll be fine |
| 19:41.09 | RedRookLord | Too many people called "red" |
| 19:41.33 | Zolden | then create something as simple, but unique |
| 19:41.55 | Zolden | yea, nice |
| 19:41.57 | sc2println | skSkynergy: I use it only to preview models |
| 19:42.01 | A1win | JademusSreg, is it working? |
| 19:42.07 | RedRookLord | it says its registered |
| 19:42.08 | Zolden | but ppl will think u're a chess guy |
| 19:42.11 | RedRookLord | blagh! |
| 19:42.25 | JademusSreg | Working on it. |
| 19:42.26 | RedRookLord | That's why I have rook in it |
| 19:42.27 | RedRookLord | :P |
| 19:42.40 | RedRookLord | chess is all about strategy |
| 19:42.42 | RedRookLord | so... |
| 19:43.28 | RRookL | there, that's not registered |
| 19:43.57 | terran | can i make a gate doodas spin? |
| 19:44.10 | RRookL | Never seen it b4, sounds cool |
| 19:44.29 | RRookL | @ terran, I mean |
| 19:45.05 | terran | ? |
| 19:45.27 | RRookL | I've never seen a rotating doodad in-game, sounds cool, hope you manage it |
| 19:46.02 | JademusSreg | I'm on A1. |
| 19:46.13 | terran | do you know how to do |
| 19:46.15 | Stewox | there is attack (bunker attack) but just a button |
| 19:46.18 | RRookL | nope |
| 19:46.27 | RRookL | yea |
| 19:46.32 | A1win | my character is Alwin.588 |
| 19:46.32 | Stewox | however i've seen the bunker is also using Attack Redirect ability |
| 19:46.33 | JademusSreg | My client was misbehaving. |
| 19:46.41 | RRookL | yes |
| 19:46.44 | RRookL | its redirecting attack |
| 19:46.48 | RRookL | from the units inside |
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| 19:47.26 | A1win | give me a shout so I can add you ;p |
| 19:48.39 | RooKz | Hard to find a simpler name I like |
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| 19:51.03 | A1win | well that went well |
| 19:51.12 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
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| 19:51.32 | JademusSreg | It succeeded spectacularly in finding a bug. |
| 19:51.50 | A1win | it didn't spawn your unit either? |
| 19:52.45 | A1win | and did you click on the tutorial button? |
| 19:53.42 | A1win | hmm it did spawn your unit |
| 19:54.54 | A1win | so either you didn't click Tutorial or there's something weird going on |
| 19:55.14 | A1win | I guess it isn't very clear how it works though |
| 19:55.19 | A1win | maybe it should be a checkbox instead |
| 19:55.24 | Eagles | Can I insert a text value into a dialog label? |
| 19:55.25 | JademusSreg | I don't recall seeing a tutorial button. |
| 19:55.32 | A1win | D: |
| 19:55.49 | JademusSreg | Eag, that's their purpose. |
| 19:56.34 | A1win | it's below the difficulty buttons |
| 19:56.42 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 19:56.44 | A1win | [Normal] [Brutal] [Insane] |
| 19:56.47 | A1win | [Tutorial] |
| 19:57.00 | A1win | oh well that explains it then, but I guess I need to make that clearer ;D |
| 19:57.25 | JademusSreg | Different color / texture / style. |
| 19:57.30 | Eagles | Any pointers JademusSreg? I can't find it in the UI at all |
| 19:57.42 | JademusSreg | GUI? |
| 19:57.51 | A1win | I've never managed to swap a button's image properly |
| 19:57.59 | Eagles | yes sorry, GUI |
| 19:58.12 | JademusSreg | Dialog Item Set Text, probably. |
| 19:58.22 | ckSynergy | ok I really need some help |
| 19:58.34 | ckSynergy | how does one get the cutscene editor to have a black background instead of that blue color |
| 19:58.36 | Eagles | sorry, my explaination was bad. what I mean is a Text value from the Text module |
| 19:58.51 | RooKz | researched Charge |
| 19:58.53 | JademusSreg | Also doable. |
| 19:59.06 | JademusSreg | In fact, that's how GUI does it anyway. |
| 19:59.28 | Eagles | inorite, but I can't find anywhere to change the "link" |
| 20:00.20 | RooKz | has earned the achievement for creating a fake achievement. |
| 20:00.30 | JademusSreg | Every text value in GUI is filled in with a call to StringExternal, which takes a string key (GUI generates Param/blahblah/someshit= Text and stuff) and returns text. |
| 20:00.45 | JademusSreg | PRess Ctrl D to see these keys. |
| 20:01.56 | ckSynergy | anyone? |
| 20:02.25 | JademusSreg | I've not used the cutscene editor much, but I expect that would be done in Render or something. |
| 20:02.47 | JademusSreg | Or lighting. Or add a skybox. |
| 20:03.32 | ckSynergy | yea Im not finding any field |
| 20:03.40 | ckSynergy | makes the cutscene editor absolutely worthles |
| 20:03.40 | JademusSreg | Er. |
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| 20:03.50 | JademusSreg | http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSPYueFcAT4u70flY3_u29iE4rONAho_s |
| 20:04.01 | JademusSreg | See: Cutscene Editor. |
| 20:04.33 | Eagles | http://puu.sh/2uuAz/b3bb8f1dd8 but how do I set this text to get a certain Text Module "Param/Value"? |
| 20:04.59 | JademusSreg | Odd. |
| 20:05.07 | JademusSreg | I would have expected it to show the key. |
| 20:05.18 | ckSynergy | lookng thx |
| 20:05.43 | JademusSreg | Anyway, why wouldn't you just copy and paste the value into the entry in the text editor? |
| 20:06.29 | JademusSreg | Don't even need to know the key, you just look for the same text value, modify it in the Text module. Or directly. |
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| 20:06.41 | JademusSreg | Or is this about sharing information? |
| 20:06.57 | JademusSreg | Why set it twice when you can declare the string once? |
| 20:07.02 | Eagles | so that everytime I change one of the texts, I don't need to commit that change to the other text value too *lazy* :P |
| 20:07.10 | JademusSreg | *efficient |
| 20:07.59 | Eagles | perhaps something could be written in the Custom Script column? |
| 20:08.06 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:08.14 | JademusSreg | But I am certain there is another way. |
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| 20:08.57 | A1win | JademusSreg, how's that? http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/0.148/SC2%202013-04-05%2023-08-12-61.jpg |
| 20:09.06 | JademusSreg | However, I don't use GUI, so I can't say. |
| 20:09.19 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:09.35 | Eagles | A1win do you know? (Dialog Item Text calls non-default text param value) As you know I am doing a similar thing as your map has :p |
| 20:09.44 | JademusSreg | That's more noticable positioning. |
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| 20:10.27 | A1win | haven't paid attention to what the problem is |
| 20:10.28 | JademusSreg | Alright. Let's kick this test's posterior. |
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| 20:11.19 | Eagles | Basically I want my Dialog Item Label to have the text from LoadingScreen/TextBody instead of Param/Expression/9A62CACC |
| 20:11.43 | A1win | ah... no idea D: |
| 20:11.56 | Eagles | So you just copied the text? |
| 20:12.04 | A1win | what text? |
| 20:12.25 | Eagles | on your loading screen, to the dialog item label after the loading screen |
| 20:12.56 | A1win | why'd I need to copy it? |
| 20:13.02 | A1win | it's not there during the loading screen |
| 20:15.42 | Eagles | so you can display the loading screen text after the loading screen |
| 20:17.33 | Ahli | can we detect right click on buttons with "SetDialogItemAllowedMouseButtons"? would require 2 buttons I believe |
| 20:20.06 | A1win | I think I've broken something, players don't respawn ;D |
| 20:20.19 | A1win | and stats don't count |
| 20:20.22 | JademusSreg | It takes a bitmask of buttons. |
| 20:20.31 | Eagles | Nevermind, I'm derping hard again. Still need a solution but I noticed you aren't doing it that way (anymore?) |
| 20:20.37 | JademusSreg | So you could set them all at once, if you wanted, Ahli. |
| 20:21.51 | Ahli | well, we would like to differ left and right clicks |
| 20:21.53 | JademusSreg | Which is evident from the documentation I dumped for the elements. =D |
| 20:22.43 | JademusSreg | EventDialogControlMouseButton (); |
| 20:23.04 | JademusSreg | So yeah, no problem there. |
| 20:23.23 | Eagles | How would a Custom script which returns the Param Value same as a Passed Function String Parameter look? |
| 20:23.41 | A1win | ah, found the bugs |
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| 20:24.10 | JademusSreg | It's not a string parameter in the first place, Eag. It's just really intimate with the text editor. |
| 20:24.26 | JademusSreg | An actual string field won't give you style format options. |
| 20:25.02 | JademusSreg | I use StringToText("whatever") in my code, since I have no intensions of localization. |
| 20:25.03 | A1win | except that stats still aren't counting |
| 20:25.16 | A1win | err, some of them are x_X |
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| 20:26.05 | JademusSreg | But you'd need to know the key for StringExternal("Key/Whatever/Entry") to make sense. |
| 20:26.18 | Eagles | oh cool, could I use StringToText("LoadingScreen/TextBody") and get the Text? |
| 20:26.34 | JademusSreg | If the key is missing from the external string list, it will display the key instead. |
| 20:26.39 | A1win | yay now it works |
| 20:26.55 | A1win | oh right the icons |
| 20:27.10 | JademusSreg | And Eag, you use StringExternal for that, not StringToText. |
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| 20:27.39 | Claymuffin | Can anybody lend me a couple of minutes for a simple trigger troubleshooting? |
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| 20:28.05 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 20:28.07 | Claymuffin | It's something really simple, idk whats not working correctly in it |
| 20:28.13 | Claymuffin | yo jade |
| 20:28.21 | Claymuffin | Always here or what? |
| 20:28.23 | Claymuffin | :) |
| 20:28.46 | Claymuffin | I'll paste bin anyway |
| 20:28.52 | JademusSreg | All the ways, in all the places. |
| 20:28.58 | Claymuffin | 1 minute |
| 20:29.09 | Claymuffin | hehe |
| 20:29.56 | Claymuffin | Basically, it'S a simple trigger that fire up when a player controled unit enter a certain range of a mineral crystal |
| 20:30.01 | Eagles | Darn, there doesn't seem to be a GUI function for StringExternal, unless I'm blind. |
| 20:30.07 | Claymuffin | it unburrow preplaced zergling for an embush |
| 20:30.30 | Claymuffin | it somewhat a really simple thing, can't find the flaw in it tough |
| 20:32.05 | Eagles | Awesome, found it. StringExternal is exactly what I needed, thanks Jade. You guided my path once again :P |
| 20:32.20 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 20:32.52 | JademusSreg | *intentions Haha |
| 20:33.06 | Claymuffin | Here is the first part of 2 |
| 20:33.07 | Claymuffin | http://pastebin.com/KxD4UXF2 |
| 20:33.37 | Claymuffin | http://pastebin.com/6sqvngfQ |
| 20:33.48 | Claymuffin | first one hadle the creation of the mineral unit |
| 20:34.05 | Claymuffin | the second one is the reaction trigger when ylou enter the "danger"radius of the minerla crystal |
| 20:34.21 | Claymuffin | the region is a region variable stored in a record |
| 20:34.45 | Claymuffin | it is set tio be a random 5 radius region in playable map area |
| 20:35.00 | JademusSreg | It's only registered for the first unit referenced, not the variable. |
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| 20:35.18 | JademusSreg | And the variable isn't initialized when the event is registered, so it's doublemoot. |
| 20:35.26 | Claymuffin | whats not working is that the aggression does not fire up, zergling do not unburrow |
| 20:35.33 | Claymuffin | finished me sentence :) |
| 20:35.34 | Claymuffin | my* |
| 20:35.36 | JademusSreg | It's a common misunderstanding. |
| 20:35.54 | Claymuffin | ok lets me think on this i'll try to fix it up |
| 20:36.09 | JademusSreg | Map Init is an event following map initialization. Aaaaaaaaall events are registered before map init. |
| 20:36.25 | Claymuffin | o |
| 20:36.31 | Claymuffin | damn |
| 20:36.32 | Claymuffin | didn,t knew that |
| 20:36.52 | JademusSreg | So variables are usually useless for event registration. |
| 20:37.32 | JademusSreg | If the variable is initialized from its definition or if the parameter is unitref type, then it can be used. |
| 20:37.44 | JademusSreg | Now this is the second important point. |
| 20:38.04 | Stewox | rookz |
| 20:38.14 | Stewox | probably made everything now |
| 20:38.23 | Stewox | and i saw more redirects for healing and stimpack |
| 20:38.26 | JademusSreg | A variable used in an event registration parameter does not pass its reference, so setting the value later does nothing at all. With one exceptipn. |
| 20:38.29 | JademusSreg | *exception |
| 20:38.44 | Stewox | also needed to change Load Behavior to Bunker - Range Bonus instead of Dummy |
| 20:38.55 | Stewox | Dummy Transport or something |
| 20:39.02 | Stewox | so ... i got an interesting idea |
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| 20:39.15 | JademusSreg | unitref types can be handled with a cool little native called UnitRefFromVariable("gv_someShittyUnit") |
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| 20:39.50 | Stewox | to redirect REPAIR from SCV , so SCV would be able to repair from inside cargo, muhaha, possible jademussreg ? |
| 20:40.22 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:40.33 | JademusSreg | Effect type Iterate Transport. |
| 20:40.35 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 20:49.33 | sharf | so is there a known publishing bug with this new patch? |
| 20:51.18 | A1win | screenshots from the tutorial: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/0.148/ |
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| 20:57.27 | twodie | skip button doesnt work ;/ |
| 20:57.43 | sharf | great, can't publish my map |
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| 20:58.55 | twodie | and you dont need to do so |
| 21:04.22 | Stewox | jademussreg i don't understand |
| 21:04.39 | Stewox | what does iterate mean to do with repairing ? |
| 21:12.49 | Stewox | well i made the effect although i don't know how to |
| 21:12.57 | Stewox | i just went with the idea of redirecting |
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| 21:13.34 | Stewox | and some common sense logic but i hope it works |
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| 21:17.19 | Zolden | sends ModelSwap penis.m3 message to Taintedwisp actor |
| 21:17.52 | RooKz | researched Blink |
| 21:18.22 | RooKz | blinks near Zolden and uses his particle disruptors to evicerate him |
| 21:18.41 | Taintedwisp | Zolden I know you wanna swap my big anaconda for your garden snake but it aint happening |
| 21:19.19 | Taintedwisp | zolden i suggest you get rich, wee litle man |
| 21:20.03 | RooKz | is Yukaboy |
| 21:20.27 | Taintedwisp | slaps Rookz |
| 21:20.50 | RooKz | uses Ghost - Snipe on Taintedwisp |
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| 21:21.10 | Taintedwisp | Is ia wisp and therefore etheral, and laughs at the puny human |
| 21:22.14 | Taintedwisp | THE ANIMANIACS |
| 21:22.23 | RooKz | constructs a nuclear missile |
| 21:22.50 | Taintedwisp | looks at RooKz and laughs.... because he is etheral... |
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| 21:23.04 | RooKz | launches a nuke at Taintedwisp |
| 21:23.05 | Taintedwisp | Ethereal* |
| 21:23.26 | Taintedwisp | Ethereal - Not of this world; spiritual. |
| 21:23.28 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 21:23.49 | RooKz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.52 | RooKz | I get that* |
| 21:24.19 | Taintedwisp | Back to making my archon which will be of the highest echelon. |
| 21:25.13 | RooKz | goes back to constructing nukes |
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| 21:34.50 | Eagles | woops, apparently making a function call itself doesn't work! lol |
| 21:35.19 | A1win | should work ;> |
| 21:35.32 | A1win | the recursion just needs to end eventually |
| 21:36.01 | Eagles | yeah starcraft just freezes until that happens :P |
| 21:37.01 | A1win | that's not exclusive to calling a function from itself |
| 21:37.49 | A1win | it's got to do with what the function is doing, not that it's calling itself |
| 21:38.11 | Eagles | yeah true :p |
| 21:39.54 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 21:40.00 | RooKz | pow |
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| 21:43.03 | RooKz | adds 5 marines to the barracks queue |
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| 21:44.25 | RooKz | finishes training 5 marines |
| 21:44.58 | RooKz | orders his 5 marines to attack-move towards the center |
| 21:45.52 | RooKz | takes control of the conveniently placed Xel'Naga Watchtower |
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| 21:46.23 | RooKz | me gets owned by 50 speedlings |
| 21:46.32 | RooKz | gets owned by 50 speedlings |
| 21:46.35 | RooKz | fail |
| 21:47.29 | RooKz | Ghost Snipes RooKz |
| 21:49.52 | Touk | i own |
| 21:49.54 | Touk | this chat |
| 21:49.55 | Touk | :O |
| 21:49.56 | Touk | lol |
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| 21:51.32 | RooKz | give scbrood a hand |
| 21:51.33 | RooKz | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/minigame-party/ |
| 21:52.43 | Touk | huh? |
| 21:52.48 | sharf | is there a known bug with publishing in this patch? |
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| 21:53.21 | RooKz | I don't know of any bugs |
| 21:53.36 | sharf | hmm |
| 21:53.54 | sharf | my map wont publish in this patch for some reason |
| 21:54.06 | sharf | keep getting unknown errors at different pload %s |
| 21:57.12 | goose_ | uhhhm kueken jademussreg i need help with a trigger (once again) |
| 21:57.37 | goose_ | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3081 |
| 21:57.44 | goose_ | the hero change is working |
| 21:57.52 | goose_ | but the inventory not properly |
| 21:58.19 | goose_ | it copies the type of the tiem but it stays at the max stack instead of reducing it to what it was before |
| 21:59.07 | goose_ | the parts with the inventory are commented so you should be able to identify them easily |
| 22:04.54 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 22:05.16 | goose_ | its a trigger that changes your hero if you buy an item in a shop |
| 22:05.43 | goose_ | the item gets destroyed upon creation |
| 22:09.20 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 22:09.37 | goose_ | everything apart from http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3082 works (as far as i know at least) |
| 22:12.38 | JademusSreg | I don't have nearly enough information here. Design, approach, implementation, issue. The Holy Quadrity. |
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| 22:13.05 | goose_ | well you change your hero it gets removed you get a new one |
| 22:13.26 | goose_ | the new one gets the attributes items and experience from the old one |
| 22:13.38 | goose_ | attributes and exp are working |
| 22:13.47 | goose_ | the item types are working as well |
| 22:13.53 | goose_ | but the count of items isnt |
| 22:14.03 | goose_ | it just makes them all have the max count |
| 22:14.50 | goose_ | but i think that that: http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3082 should reduce them to the count they had before |
| 22:14.51 | JademusSreg | Why wouldn't you just retain the actual items? |
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| 22:15.25 | goose_ | the move item trigger does only seem to work in a singe units inventory |
| 22:16.04 | goose_ | also the items would get stacked (which wouldnt be good, but not game breaking) |
| 22:16.20 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/0.148/SC2%202013-04-06%2001-15-29-94.jpg |
| 22:16.25 | A1win | button frames ftw! |
| 22:17.19 | Dustin | Sexy, A1win |
| 22:17.38 | JademusSreg | Congrats. |
| 22:18.17 | JademusSreg | Well, as I recall, the triggers/scripts resource section has a library specifically for dealing with this sort of thing. |
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| 22:18.18 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 22:18.33 | goose_ | so with my current implementation if my current unit had 2 items: 2 item1s with stack size 1 (so 2 item1s in total) and then change it it has 2 stacks of 10 |
| 22:18.46 | goose_ | i m using that one |
| 22:19.08 | goose_ | at least i think thats the one your thinking of |
| 22:24.36 | A1win | is it possible to change a button's highlight text color? looks crappy as cyan on the orange button |
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| 22:29.16 | goose_ | so the code IS getting executed but it doesnt do anything.... |
| 22:31.03 | Stewox | i missed something |
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| 22:31.15 | Stewox | the units cannot load transport |
| 22:31.18 | Stewox | on click |
| 22:31.38 | Stewox | and the transport doesn't have the button to load unit |
| 22:31.41 | Stewox | ... hmm |
| 22:32.07 | Stewox | button probably not problem |
| 22:32.17 | Stewox | but what about the click-loading like in bunker ? |
| 22:35.23 | Stewox | another thing, Period Count , do they simultaneously go of or one after another ? |
| 22:40.35 | Ahli | click load stuff is in the load ability I believe |
| 22:40.37 | Ahli | as flag |
| 22:42.38 | goose_ | fixed it |
| 22:42.46 | goose_ | remove charges isnt working |
| 22:44.18 | goose_ | well maybe i should add that in the description huh... |
| 22:45.50 | Stewox | anyone btw knows how to remove Drakken Drill delay when retargeting (reload, recharge) but i don't see any reloads or delays on weapons and effects, confusing |
| 22:46.30 | goose_ | probably actors |
| 22:46.56 | goose_ | maybe a behavior? |
| 22:47.07 | goose_ | (havent looked at it ever :P) |
| 22:51.55 | Stewox | yeah it has some pre-targeting stuff in actors. it's not obvious how to disable it or make it faster, still not sure what im looking at |
| 22:52.54 | Stewox | not sure if that's connected to drill |
| 22:52.58 | Stewox | looks generic |
| 22:57.15 | Claymuffin | Anybody know if it'S possible to set a command center at which every player can drop off ressources? |
| 22:57.27 | Claymuffin | like a global command center not owner only by one player but used by all? |
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| 22:58.31 | owls | anyone know how to swap health and energy without a trigger? |
| 22:59.28 | Ahli | what's wrong with triggers? |
| 22:59.36 | owls | hi ahli |
| 22:59.44 | owls | well idc about triggers |
| 23:00.00 | goose_ | oh jade did you have time to look at my projectile? |
| 23:00.01 | owls | but it's learning for me also |
| 23:03.57 | goose_ | hehe birds everywhere |
| 23:16.50 | goose_ | eagle goose kueken owl ^^ |
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| 23:48.08 | A1win | whee published the version with the tutorial |
| 23:48.16 | A1win | and already found a typo in it ;< |
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