| 00:02.47 | SaVi | nevermind, just figured it out |
| 00:13.23 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 00:16.45 | sharf | jademus |
| 00:17.08 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 00:19.41 | sharf | I have a damage effect |
| 00:19.49 | sharf | it has an area* area |
| 00:20.07 | sharf | that area has its fraction set to 0.01, yet the damage is rounding up to 1 whole damage |
| 00:20.40 | JademusSreg | What's the Minimum Damage value in the Gameplay data? |
| 00:21.35 | Touk | JADE DOESN"T KNOW SOMETHING |
| 00:21.35 | Touk | :O |
| 00:21.37 | Touk | wtf |
| 00:21.39 | Touk | T_T |
| 00:21.41 | Touk | all is lost |
| 00:21.49 | JademusSreg | I'm directing sharf to check. |
| 00:22.00 | Touk | he ur data bitch |
| 00:22.01 | Touk | :c |
| 00:22.05 | Touk | i want a data bitch |
| 00:22.06 | Touk | T_T |
| 00:22.24 | sharf | where is it? |
| 00:22.25 | JademusSreg | A Minimum Damage value of 1 would clamp all damage values to a minimum of 1, for example. |
| 00:22.32 | JademusSreg | Gameplay data tab. |
| 00:23.21 | JademusSreg | There's Game UI and Gameplay data, two separate data catalogs. |
| 00:23.28 | sharf | minimum is set to 0.5 |
| 00:23.47 | JademusSreg | And what's the base damage? |
| 00:23.59 | JademusSreg | In the Amount field of the damage effect? |
| 00:24.16 | sharf | 1, but it gets 3 bonus damage from the unit's buffs |
| 00:25.02 | JademusSreg | What are the testing conditions? Does it occur under all testing conditions? |
| 00:25.22 | Bounty_ | JademusSreg, wanna test soon? :) we can be killed now! |
| 00:25.30 | Bounty_ | + other polish |
| 00:25.33 | JademusSreg | And also pastebin the xml. Might be something awry in there. |
| 00:25.37 | JademusSreg | Yay. |
| 00:26.57 | sharf | what do you mean testing? |
| 00:27.02 | sharf | testing conditions* |
| 00:27.38 | JademusSreg | Under what conditions does this issue occur? |
| 00:27.50 | sharf | everytime I use the ability >.> |
| 00:27.59 | sharf | when I test the document |
| 00:28.22 | JademusSreg | Haha. Alright, let's just see the data tree involved. =D |
| 00:31.27 | sharf | uh |
| 00:31.31 | sharf | seem to have it |
| 00:31.55 | sharf | testing |
| 00:34.33 | sharf | seems to befixed |
| 00:34.49 | JademusSreg | And the issue was? *drumroll* |
| 00:39.54 | sharf | not sure |
| 00:40.00 | sharf | it seems to be the damage minimum clamp |
| 00:40.07 | sharf | thought I still don't know why it would round from .5 to 1 |
| 00:40.17 | sharf | I'm messing around with recycling damage |
| 00:40.28 | JademusSreg | Perhaps bonus damage sources were calaculated separatelyt. |
| 00:40.39 | JademusSreg | *calculated separately. |
| 00:40.59 | sharf | they aren't now |
| 00:41.02 | sharf | and even then |
| 00:41.08 | sharf | it would be 3+0.5 |
| 00:41.11 | sharf | not 1 |
| 00:41.18 | sharf | so now... |
| 00:41.23 | JademusSreg | I mean categorically. |
| 00:41.28 | sharf | I'm trying to figure out how to balance this now |
| 00:41.32 | sharf | I don't understand |
| 00:42.32 | JademusSreg | (Base*0.01)+(Bonus*0.01). Not each kind of bonus, but bonus damage as a category. |
| 00:43.04 | JademusSreg | Calculating them separately would explain the 1. |
| 00:43.26 | sharf | well then it would ne |
| 00:43.35 | sharf | be* |
| 00:43.36 | sharf | ah actually |
| 00:43.40 | sharf | that would work yeah |
| 00:44.09 | sharf | hmm |
| 00:47.35 | sharf | ok if I want.... |
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| 00:47.57 | sharf | 4% of 10%....that's what? |
| 00:48.19 | JademusSreg | You mean in decimal? |
| 00:48.33 | sharf | yes |
| 00:48.38 | JademusSreg | 0.004 |
| 00:48.43 | sharf | I thought so... |
| 00:48.54 | sharf | and damage can only be as low as 0.01 correct? |
| 00:49.12 | JademusSreg | Maybe. Hadn't given it much thought. |
| 00:49.24 | JademusSreg | Is that the lowest it allows you to input? |
| 00:49.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mexa (504ed72d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.78.215.45) |
| 00:49.49 | Mexa | hi |
| 00:49.58 | sharf | nope |
| 00:50.00 | JademusSreg | Also, can't overlook that SC2 uses fixed point real numbers, rather than floats. |
| 00:50.02 | sharf | I set the minimum to 0.001 |
| 00:50.04 | JademusSreg | Hi that MExaling. |
| 00:50.16 | sharf | what does that mean? |
| 00:50.19 | Mexa | Jademüsli! |
| 00:50.21 | Mexa | :D |
| 00:50.25 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 00:50.55 | JademusSreg | Floats offer a wider range of values. Fixed point doesn't. |
| 00:51.19 | JademusSreg | But fixed point is more reliable across various processor architectures. |
| 00:52.04 | sharf | ah so it's hardware related? |
| 00:52.51 | sharf | YES! |
| 00:52.55 | sharf | it works |
| 00:52.55 | JademusSreg | Floats, on the other hand, cannot be entirely relied upon to get the same results from an operation with different architectures. So to be as fast and stable as possible, SC2 uses fixed-point real number implementations. |
| 00:53.35 | sharf | what does that mean to be? |
| 00:53.41 | sharf | is 0.325 0.325? |
| 00:54.08 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/triggers/types/fixed/ |
| 00:54.48 | JademusSreg | It means all fractional values will be a multiple of 1 / 4096 |
| 00:55.03 | sharf | so float allows for smaller numbers? |
| 00:55.14 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mexa (504ed72d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.78.215.45) |
| 00:55.21 | sharf | so is 0.001 0.001? |
| 00:55.42 | Mexa | :/ I'm starting to believe something is terribly wrong with my scumbag computer |
| 00:56.11 | Mexa | It keeps getting power failure, even when I have the ac adapter plugged in |
| 00:56.21 | Bounty_ | Down for a test JademusSreg? |
| 00:56.28 | Mexa | Hi Bounty |
| 00:56.37 | A1win | sharf, the closest are 0.001221 and 0.000977 |
| 00:56.40 | JademusSreg | Float allows for a wider range of values, both the whole and fractional number portions, because its bits define a base and an exponent. But this comes at the expense of computation (and to a lesser extent, reliability), |
| 00:56.40 | Bounty_ | Hello Mexa |
| 00:56.43 | JademusSreg | Sure, Bounty. |
| 00:56.56 | Bounty_ | i put in the creatures AI |
| 00:57.00 | Bounty_ | footstep sounds |
| 00:57.03 | Bounty_ | death cinematic |
| 00:57.05 | JademusSreg | Oh look, a patch. |
| 00:57.06 | Bounty_ | and spectate |
| 00:57.10 | Bounty_ | hopefully they all work :) |
| 00:58.27 | JademusSreg | reads patch notes. |
| 00:59.37 | JademusSreg | Mexa, tested your power supply? |
| 01:00.06 | Mexa | well, it's a laptop |
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| 01:00.21 | A1win | An attack command is now required in order to attack Destructible Rocks, which are no longer automatically attacked by units when right-clicked. |
| 01:00.24 | A1win | niiice |
| 01:00.27 | Mexa | The battery is completely charged, and the ac adapter is in. So I guess it might be something else |
| 01:00.35 | JademusSreg | Sounds more like overheating, or protection from it. |
| 01:00.43 | JademusSreg | Or worse, a short. |
| 01:01.17 | JademusSreg | I'd prefer to side with optimism here, in that it could respond to an issue by shutting down. |
| 01:02.00 | Mexa | a short what, you mean? |
| 01:03.00 | JademusSreg | I mean a failsafe could be preventing hardware damage by shutting itself down. |
| 01:03.00 | Mexa | I read on the asus forums, it seems to be a common issue |
| 01:03.04 | Mexa | hrrrm... |
| 01:03.09 | Mexa | yeah, true |
| 01:03.27 | JademusSreg | Otherwise I expect it would be a brick by now. |
| 01:04.37 | Mexa | :p |
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| 01:16.27 | Bounty_ | this is gonna be alot of work haha |
| 01:16.54 | JademusSreg | It exceeded my expectations. |
| 01:17.00 | Bounty_ | So this is the big question for me atm JAdmeusSreg |
| 01:17.06 | Bounty_ | the stalking music... get rid of it or keep it? |
| 01:17.14 | Bounty_ | Not the music that plays when he appears, the one that plays when hes stalking u |
| 01:17.32 | Bounty_ | I think thats the first time you've said that to me :) <3 |
| 01:19.07 | JademusSreg | You had camera bob, the sound of footsteps crunching in the snow, and a spectacular creature reveal. Definitely exceeding expectations so far. |
| 01:19.32 | JademusSreg | Also, stalking music is good, needs more falloff perhaps. |
| 01:20.17 | Bounty_ | what do u mean |
| 01:20.38 | Bounty_ | unclear of what u mean by falloff haha |
| 01:21.56 | JademusSreg | How loud the music is relative to distance between the source and listener. |
| 01:22.58 | Bounty_ | i kept it static so that the reveal music is always a massive increase in volume |
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| 01:28.12 | Bounty_ | I think im going to make UI for spectate JademusSreg |
| 01:28.16 | Bounty_ | just a simple pulldown box |
| 01:28.20 | Bounty_ | watcha think? |
| 01:30.50 | JademusSreg | Sounds fine. |
| 01:31.06 | JademusSreg | I reserve the right to be critical later, though. |
| 01:34.12 | Taintedwisp | Jademus, you can see the potential :( |
| 01:34.13 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/mJELIBb.jpg |
| 01:34.23 | Taintedwisp | but I just cant get it to lookgood |
| 01:34.35 | Taintedwisp | and I have to make the image from scratch every fuck up -_- |
| 01:40.13 | sharf | tainted |
| 01:40.16 | sharf | what image? |
| 01:41.52 | Taintedwisp | the borders for the hero select |
| 01:41.59 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/mJELIBb.jpg |
| 01:42.01 | sharf | what's wrong? |
| 01:45.20 | sharf | any ideas why my text editor preview isn't working all of a sudden? |
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| 01:52.55 | Touk | Make the Ui better |
| 01:52.56 | Touk | :3 |
| 01:53.13 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 01:53.34 | Touk | make ui better? |
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| 02:00.59 | Touk | anyone here know the custom art pipeline? |
| 02:08.14 | JademusSreg | Backish. |
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| 02:32.53 | kubi | Hey |
| 02:32.55 | kubi | TainedWisp |
| 02:32.57 | kubi | TaintedWisp |
| 02:33.00 | kubi | I have something you dont |
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| 02:33.19 | Claymuffin | anybody logged on? |
| 02:33.28 | Claymuffin | I got a nice puzzle for you guys |
| 02:33.29 | kubi | I am |
| 02:33.52 | kubi | Adding touches to my Behavior related Capturing System |
| 02:33.57 | kubi | Pretty baller |
| 02:34.08 | Claymuffin | I've quite a strange editor bug that I can't overcome |
| 02:34.27 | Claymuffin | Shouldn't you du capturing system with triggers instead& |
| 02:34.35 | Claymuffin | Like 10 time easier? |
| 02:34.55 | Claymuffin | I'm a bit out of context here but still... |
| 02:35.00 | Claymuffin | anyway |
| 02:35.09 | kubi | Actually |
| 02:35.10 | kubi | using behaviors |
| 02:35.14 | kubi | was 10 times easier than triggers |
| 02:35.36 | kubi | It took 3 effects, 2 behaviors |
| 02:35.41 | Claymuffin | how do you handle ownership transfer through behavior? |
| 02:35.54 | kubi | I don't :P |
| 02:36.09 | kubi | My capturing system isn't for "Capturing ownership" of units though |
| 02:36.12 | kubi | it's for generating minerals |
| 02:36.18 | Claymuffin | O |
| 02:36.45 | Claymuffin | not sure I follow where the capture is needed for the mineral gen |
| 02:36.56 | kubi | its for a footman frenzy map |
| 02:37.09 | kubi | One of the main issues is people hide in their base and amass units |
| 02:37.13 | Claymuffin | O so when you capture a zone you cash in |
| 02:37.19 | Claymuffin | i see |
| 02:37.23 | kubi | The ways i combat this is add a cap to supply and two have a cash flow for the middle |
| 02:37.49 | kubi | So whoever has the middle capture will have a better advantage of winning |
| 02:37.50 | kubi | which is minerals |
| 02:37.53 | kubi | however |
| 02:38.05 | Claymuffin | You gotta give them something to sepdn on to get that edge |
| 02:38.07 | kubi | if you fight in the middle with other players it wont be able to be captured |
| 02:38.12 | kubi | It's footman frenzy |
| 02:38.12 | Claymuffin | upgrades should do the trick |
| 02:38.16 | kubi | the game relies on money |
| 02:39.05 | Claymuffin | It could have been done extremely easely with booleans |
| 02:39.17 | Claymuffin | 8 booleans, one for each player |
| 02:39.30 | Claymuffin | you check them when a player get some unit in the zone |
| 02:39.31 | kubi | 8 is more than 3 effects, 2 behaviors |
| 02:39.37 | kubi | + region |
| 02:39.40 | Claymuffin | if more than 1 player, cut the cash flow |
| 02:39.42 | kubi | This uses no region |
| 02:39.59 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 02:40.09 | Claymuffin | o jade |
| 02:40.30 | JademusSreg | Wat's up? |
| 02:40.37 | Claymuffin | not bad |
| 02:40.50 | Claymuffin | fighting with a nice tough editor bug |
| 02:41.08 | JademusSreg | Orly? |
| 02:41.32 | kubi | and if the unit is in combat or fighting the behavior count resets |
| 02:41.52 | kubi | so easy, with 2 behaviors and 3 effects |
| 02:42.24 | Claymuffin | nothing new here, all i've always done in the edotor is fight my way through |
| 02:42.27 | Bounty_ | I'm making the stalking and appears effects global JademusSreg :) |
| 02:42.50 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 02:43.39 | Claymuffin | I'm uploading a video right now on youtube about the last bug I had, this will make things clear, it will be up in a minute |
| 02:45.06 | kubi | Now I just need to add detection system for who captured it though |
| 02:45.09 | kubi | which should be easy |
| 02:45.53 | Claymuffin | tahts the part I'm wondering about |
| 02:46.05 | Claymuffin | detection of player through behavior? |
| 02:46.45 | kubi | Cant |
| 02:46.46 | kubi | I dont think |
| 02:46.55 | Claymuffin | If any unit has behavior X, give Y cash to owner player each Z seconds |
| 02:47.05 | kubi | negative |
| 02:47.17 | kubi | Because it is applied to a neutral player |
| 02:47.29 | kubi | I just a check who has the most units in a region |
| 02:47.30 | kubi | is all |
| 02:48.08 | ckSynergy | Anyone know off the top of there head how to scale down a death model animation? Have an animation that suddenly blew up about 100x larger after blizz patch |
| 02:48.13 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 02:48.47 | kubi | ckSynergy I have been having the same problem |
| 02:48.56 | kubi | I even made a death model and scaled it down |
| 02:48.59 | kubi | still pops up big |
| 02:51.07 | ckSynergy | hmm interesting |
| 02:51.14 | ckSynergy | mind if I ask what model? |
| 02:52.28 | kubi | goliath |
| 02:54.39 | kubi | After that I haven't bothered with in sense. |
| 02:54.40 | kubi | Since* |
| 02:55.08 | Claymuffin | Ok |
| 02:55.20 | Claymuffin | so anybody ease got a bug that make custom unit disappear in game? |
| 02:55.27 | Claymuffin | labelling them as invalid units? |
| 02:55.39 | Claymuffin | Every single new unit I make turn bad |
| 02:55.54 | Claymuffin | Event+ section of the model is all red |
| 02:55.56 | kubi | Do you have a unit with abilities cap? |
| 02:55.58 | kubi | idk |
| 02:56.57 | Claymuffin | I create a new unit and a new model, do not change anything else and they do not appear in game |
| 02:57.12 | kubi | you check events? |
| 02:57.24 | kubi | I have to go to work |
| 02:57.25 | kubi | c'ya |
| 02:57.30 | Claymuffin | ya c'ya |
| 02:57.40 | Claymuffin | good luck with your map |
| 02:59.16 | kubi | oh i am |
| 02:59.22 | kubi | just lots of hours needed to be put in with it though |
| 02:59.41 | Claymuffin | I'm getting tired to fight with the editor |
| 02:59.47 | kubi | going on 2 monts and it's about 60% done |
| 02:59.49 | Claymuffin | of fighting* |
| 03:00.26 | Claymuffin | brb 10 minutes |
| 03:01.05 | kubi | if ur still on clay, in about 8 hours |
| 03:01.09 | kubi | i can take a look at your map |
| 03:11.12 | Claymuffin | Anybody left here? |
| 03:11.22 | Claymuffin | Maybe jade lurking in the background |
| 03:11.25 | Claymuffin | :) |
| 03:12.03 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 03:12.08 | Claymuffin | If anybody want to take a look, I recorded the bug I have |
| 03:12.13 | JademusSreg | Link. |
| 03:12.21 | Claymuffin | the sound quality is shitty, but here it goes |
| 03:12.22 | Claymuffin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcRT9Q9w3tc |
| 03:12.33 | JademusSreg | Is sound relevant to the bug? |
| 03:12.50 | Bounty_ | JademusSreg |
| 03:12.53 | Claymuffin | sound is relevant to my explications in the video |
| 03:12.54 | Bounty_ | so butthurt right now |
| 03:13.00 | Bounty_ | Apparently you can play a sound for a specific player |
| 03:13.07 | Bounty_ | But you cant STOP a sound for a specific player... |
| 03:13.16 | Bounty_ | Like, does this shit bother anyone else? |
| 03:13.18 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 03:13.19 | JademusSreg | I am skeptical. I will examine the API. |
| 03:13.47 | JademusSreg | Hold on Clay. |
| 03:13.51 | Claymuffin | take your time |
| 03:14.06 | Claymuffin | I learned patience with the galaxy editor |
| 03:14.23 | JademusSreg | Bounty, I see the issue. |
| 03:15.05 | Bounty_ | This makes no fucking sense lol |
| 03:15.06 | Bounty_ | whatsoever |
| 03:15.21 | JademusSreg | The SoundPlay natives take a soundlink and a playergroup argument, among others. The SoundStop native takes a sound argument and a bool argument. |
| 03:15.56 | JademusSreg | Which is to say the soundlink provides information about the sound that will be played, but the sound does not exist yet. |
| 03:17.02 | JademusSreg | And SoundLastPlayed returns a sound, which is odd, because I would expect a sound to be asynchronous. |
| 03:17.40 | JademusSreg | What this tells me is that you'll be better off controlling sounds via actors. |
| 03:19.46 | JademusSreg | Alternately, Soundtracks do offer full control over player instancing. |
| 03:20.04 | JademusSreg | So if you resort to using the Soundtrack API, that could give you the control you need. |
| 03:21.14 | Bounty_ | I have no choice but to use soundtrack lol |
| 03:21.47 | Claymuffin | But soundtrack only use specific sounds, not all of them |
| 03:22.02 | Claymuffin | will you need to add soundtrack yourself to the game? |
| 03:30.29 | JademusSreg | So Marines don't show up. Sounds like a dependency priority issue. |
| 03:31.12 | JademusSreg | I've heard of cases where multiple entries with the same id appearing in the editor. |
| 03:31.27 | Claymuffin | but I'm using the simple HotS marine with the HotS dependency |
| 03:31.39 | Claymuffin | yea i've seen a lot of actor bug log popping |
| 03:32.03 | JademusSreg | I can't listen to or even watch the video in detail (youtube behaving oddly), so can you tell me the error report? |
| 03:32.11 | Claymuffin | something about model not being at the right place |
| 03:32.17 | Claymuffin | imma try to get you an error log |
| 03:32.17 | JademusSreg | Interesting. |
| 03:32.28 | Claymuffin | there are 2 of them |
| 03:32.39 | Claymuffin | the one in game says USER : invalid preplaced unit |
| 03:32.43 | JademusSreg | Also, Clay, Swarm Campaign has Liberty and Liberty Campaign as dependencies. |
| 03:32.56 | JademusSreg | And Swarm, obviously. |
| 03:33.03 | Claymuffin | the one in the editor, imma go get it |
| 03:33.05 | Claymuffin | nice |
| 03:33.10 | Claymuffin | So it cover them all |
| 03:33.31 | Claymuffin | All i should need is swarm campaign then? |
| 03:34.58 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 03:35.12 | JademusSreg | That could possibly explain your error entirely. |
| 03:35.21 | JademusSreg | Well, also the editor being sort of stupid. |
| 03:35.31 | JademusSreg | It should recognize the ids are the same. =\ |
| 03:35.34 | JademusSreg | But whatever. |
| 03:35.51 | Claymuffin | Oh I remember |
| 03:36.17 | Claymuffin | when I set a new id for my created unit, the editor goes total bats hit |
| 03:36.23 | Claymuffin | let me get the log |
| 03:36.50 | Claymuffin | [4/2/2013 11:36:32 PM] USER: [ 19 6] CActorUnit[Marine2] Cannot create a CActorUnit outside of an underlying CUnit's CActorScope. Try creating the actor inside of a live unit's CActorScope or create a CActorModel instead. |
| 03:36.56 | Claymuffin | just got this like... 15 time |
| 03:37.21 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 03:37.25 | Claymuffin | i changed the copied marine id from marine2" to "marine copy" |
| 03:37.30 | Claymuffin | and got this |
| 03:37.32 | JademusSreg | Yes, coincidentally I got that error today. |
| 03:37.36 | Claymuffin | never did that before |
| 03:38.07 | JademusSreg | It happened when I changed the model asset of a created, from scratch, model data entry. |
| 03:38.38 | JademusSreg | And there was one instance on the unit preplaced on the map. |
| 03:38.41 | Claymuffin | Wish I was able to do that |
| 03:38.47 | Claymuffin | Ah :) |
| 03:39.00 | JademusSreg | You can. Just need the confidence and curiousity to tinker. |
| 03:39.10 | JademusSreg | Also, give me the test map as shown in the video. |
| 03:39.18 | Claymuffin | The language barrier is immense for me |
| 03:39.19 | Claymuffin | kk |
| 03:39.20 | JademusSreg | I intend to look at the guts. |
| 03:39.24 | Claymuffin | i'll put on dropbox |
| 03:39.32 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:41.26 | Claymuffin | https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mp4i90r6w1hv2wh/RGeRSpuNJW/Bugged%20Map.SC2Map |
| 03:41.29 | Claymuffin | here it goes |
| 03:41.38 | Claymuffin | after I modified the marine copy ID |
| 03:41.42 | Claymuffin | i saved |
| 03:44.30 | JademusSreg | OSX doesn't have a shell extension? Or is it not in the public directory? |
| 03:45.17 | Claymuffin | shell extension? |
| 03:49.02 | JademusSreg | No worries. |
| 03:56.01 | Claymuffin | Small question |
| 03:56.04 | Claymuffin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.24 | Claymuffin | does netering units include unit created in the region? |
| 03:56.43 | JademusSreg | That's not a region. |
| 03:56.43 | Claymuffin | does the unit need to physically enter the region or can just be created via trigger in it? |
| 03:56.53 | Claymuffin | well, not really |
| 03:56.55 | JademusSreg | That's a range event. |
| 03:57.07 | Claymuffin | thats why I'm unsure |
| 03:57.12 | Claymuffin | i could just test it |
| 03:57.17 | Claymuffin | instead of asking |
| 03:57.20 | Claymuffin | sorry for this |
| 03:58.56 | JademusSreg | No worries. |
| 04:00.16 | JademusSreg | And trust me, when I express in the most tactful manner, that there are far, far more obstinate, face-palm inducing people who solicit help in the channel. |
| 04:00.28 | JademusSreg | You're on Santa's Good List, is what I'm saying. |
| 04:00.44 | Claymuffin | Good to hear :) |
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| 04:01.43 | Claymuffin | I'm trying to hold all the rage the editor causes me and not spill it here. Sometime it's really tempting... |
| 04:02.08 | Claymuffin | Sometime the galaxy editor feel more like a punching bag then a creative tool to me |
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| 04:10.01 | Daara | worst part about new computers, installing EVERYTHING |
| 04:11.40 | Claymuffin | *silently sympathise* |
| 04:11.44 | JademusSreg | (Yes.) |
| 04:12.02 | Daara | can only download 1 blizzard game at a time |
| 04:12.04 | Daara | -_- |
| 04:12.29 | Bounty_ | Almost ready for a test Jade |
| 04:20.14 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 04:21.01 | Claymuffin | I'm trying to figure out which trigger event would be suitable for a simple trigger I'm making |
| 04:21.28 | JademusSreg | What's the design? |
| 04:21.34 | Claymuffin | I want the trigger to calculate how many creep tumor are near a specific unit |
| 04:21.47 | JademusSreg | For what purpose? |
| 04:22.31 | Claymuffin | More specifically, I have a mother creep tumor that get some other creep tumor cpawned near here periodically. I want to do a specific action when the tumor count near the mother tumor exceed 10 |
| 04:23.04 | Claymuffin | I tried this : Unit - Any Unit Enters within 5.0 of (Position of Creep nest) |
| 04:23.13 | JademusSreg | The Spawn Unit behavior type (used for the larva spawn) defines a cap. |
| 04:23.27 | Claymuffin | but it does not seem to regonize trigger created tumor inside the range |
| 04:23.53 | Claymuffin | Oh yea that behavioir would make it simpler than triggers |
| 04:23.53 | JademusSreg | I mean it could be done entirely via data. |
| 04:23.59 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 04:24.03 | Claymuffin | Hum |
| 04:24.08 | Claymuffin | I'll look it up |
| 04:25.56 | Bounty_ | ok jade i think its ready |
| 04:26.13 | Bounty_ | log on :) |
| 04:27.19 | JademusSreg | Plin'. |
| 04:27.29 | JademusSreg | That's the sound I hear when I log in. |
| 04:28.39 | Bounty_ | if this goes well i can start on the mechanics 2morrow |
| 04:28.44 | Bounty_ | pathing is done etc |
| 04:29.02 | Claymuffin | O btw jade, anything interesting with my map? |
| 04:29.15 | Claymuffin | Might log off soon so I guess it'S better to ask now |
| 04:29.21 | JademusSreg | Haven't checked yet, but will once this test concludes. |
| 04:29.37 | JademusSreg | But it probably won't be much interest to anyone besides myself. |
| 04:30.05 | Claymuffin | Can my issue be solved? |
| 04:30.35 | JademusSreg | Ah, you mean this threatens a map you're working on currently? |
| 04:30.49 | Claymuffin | I can't properly create new units |
| 04:31.03 | Claymuffin | it remove any custom unit every time I lunch a map |
| 04:31.16 | Claymuffin | Invalid preplaced unit it says |
| 04:31.31 | Claymuffin | the video I made show it all in detail |
| 04:31.52 | Claymuffin | well... I'll try to see if dependencies are my problem first |
| 04:32.08 | Claymuffin | I'll catch you another day on the subject, no worries |
| 04:32.42 | Claymuffin | ask you another day* seem like a more accurate way to phrase it |
| 04:34.42 | Daara | i can't even hear my computer |
| 04:34.46 | Daara | it's so quiet |
| 04:34.47 | Daara | :D |
| 04:34.52 | Bounty_ | damnit jade |
| 04:34.55 | JademusSreg | Nicely done. |
| 04:34.57 | Bounty_ | i wanted to try spectate haha |
| 04:35.02 | Bounty_ | thx |
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| 04:35.52 | Bounty_ | I dont think i've seen you so optimistic about one of my projects |
| 04:36.14 | Daara | have you guys tried Mass Destruction 2 |
| 04:36.15 | Daara | ? |
| 04:36.26 | Daara | pretty sweet arcade map |
| 04:36.59 | JademusSreg | It succeeds in eliciting a feeling, the tension, surprise, shock. |
| 04:37.14 | Bounty_ | Better than HF? |
| 04:37.22 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 04:37.30 | Bounty_ | Also, now i assume you understand what type of "horror" i'm going for this time around? |
| 04:38.13 | Daara | sweet a new map better than HF? |
| 04:38.13 | JademusSreg | Though I'd prefer an actual flashlight for players on higher graphic settings, and the vision circle for players on lower graphic settings. |
| 04:38.15 | Daara | sign me up |
| 04:38.36 | Bounty_ | Yeah but the purpose of the circle is the limit vision lol |
| 04:38.43 | Bounty_ | cant get that effect with SC2 flashlights |
| 04:39.17 | JademusSreg | I disagree. But fortunately, one is not limited to just that. |
| 04:39.33 | JademusSreg | Global lighting is player-instancable. |
| 04:39.51 | Bounty_ | If you can get that same type of circular limit view with an SC2 flashlight model, show me lol |
| 04:40.00 | JademusSreg | Will do,. |
| 04:40.10 | JademusSreg | Also, who said I'd use the flashlight model. =D |
| 04:40.16 | Bounty_ | how can you get a flashlight effect with global lighting... |
| 04:40.24 | JademusSreg | No, not what I mean. |
| 04:40.30 | Bounty_ | dont be cheatin bro |
| 04:41.00 | JademusSreg | I mean you can use the current lighting for lower settings, and a darker lighting for higher settings. =D |
| 04:41.52 | Bounty_ | no lighting shows up on low settings |
| 04:41.57 | Bounty_ | like at all lol |
| 04:42.18 | JademusSreg | It's like talking to a Real Doll. |
| 04:43.48 | Claymuffin | using only Swarm (Campaign) still get me troubles making custom units. I'll be trying other dependencies |
| 04:43.51 | JademusSreg | I mean the current global lighting, ya know, defined in the terrain set data, is good and should be used for lower graphic settings + vision circle. Higher graphic settings should employ a darker version of the current lighting and add a flashlight. |
| 04:46.05 | Claymuffin | I get the same result with Swarm (Mod) |
| 04:46.18 | Claymuffin | Seem to be more than just dependency |
| 04:46.26 | JademusSreg | Time to crack open that map. |
| 04:46.33 | Claymuffin | I'll try it with WoL |
| 04:46.37 | Claymuffin | dependencies |
| 04:48.50 | Claymuffin | Same with WoL |
| 04:51.02 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 04:51.21 | JademusSreg | I'm looking in the data for preplaced objects. |
| 04:52.02 | JademusSreg | What's the id of the unit? |
| 04:52.10 | JademusSreg | MarineCopy, yes? |
| 04:52.28 | Claymuffin | ya |
| 04:52.32 | Claymuffin | let me confirm |
| 04:53.44 | Claymuffin | the Marine Copy unit ID used to be marine2, I got the error log when I changed it to MarineCopy to match the duplicated unit name |
| 04:54.21 | JademusSreg | So the preplaced data is not making any invalid references. That's good. |
| 04:54.30 | Claymuffin | O god |
| 04:54.50 | Claymuffin | I just lokked at my bugged map data, a lot of stuff turned green like if I modified them |
| 04:54.53 | Claymuffin | all marine related |
| 04:55.01 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 04:55.25 | JademusSreg | Are you interested in learning how to add new data from scratch and cease duplicating? =D |
| 04:55.57 | Claymuffin | Yes master |
| 04:56.01 | JademusSreg | Haha., |
| 04:56.03 | Claymuffin | :D |
| 04:56.17 | Claymuffin | What I don,t get is that this used to work just fine |
| 04:56.23 | Claymuffin | In WoL |
| 04:56.29 | JademusSreg | Looks like Duplicate is even worse now. Your Marine2 actor uses Marine as a parent. |
| 04:56.45 | Claymuffin | I can,t even find my Marine Copy unit anymore |
| 04:57.07 | JademusSreg | Overview Manager |
| 04:57.10 | JademusSreg | Or Ctrl A |
| 04:57.38 | Claymuffin | the bugged marine unit on the map are now called MarineCopy (Unknown) |
| 04:57.53 | JademusSreg | Wow. It deleted your unit data? |
| 04:57.58 | JademusSreg | That's funny. |
| 04:58.18 | JademusSreg | I see it in the xml data, from the map you gave me. |
| 04:59.11 | JademusSreg | Anyway, to make new stuff from sratch, let's say a unit, you start with Add New Unit. |
| 04:59.56 | Claymuffin | Gimmy 2 sec I'll load up a new unfuckedup map :) |
| 05:00.07 | Claymuffin | This one is going batshit |
| 05:00.09 | Claymuffin | lawl |
| 05:00.49 | Claymuffin | I'm there |
| 05:01.06 | JademusSreg | You give it a name of its very own, let's call it Iron Man. Give it an id easily with Suggest button. Then set its type (may not be applicable in this case), and its Parent (Default Unit). |
| 05:01.10 | Claymuffin | I tried to add unit and base them on anyther pre existing unit. I would get the same bug |
| 05:01.46 | Claymuffin | on any pre existing* |
| 05:01.47 | JademusSreg | Then set Copy From Whatever, choose WarPig. |
| 05:02.20 | JademusSreg | Now we need to remove all the junk we don't want that refers to WarPig. |
| 05:02.58 | JademusSreg | Ctrl 3 to switch to XML view, make sure your data entry is selected, and remove the lines with the word WarPig or Marine on it. |
| 05:03.23 | JademusSreg | Once done, Ctrl Shift X to commit XML changes. Ctrl ! to switch back to table view. |
| 05:04.17 | Claymuffin | ok on it |
| 05:04.32 | JademusSreg | Now we add the Iron Man model data. Similarly, the name and ids will be the same, choose type Unit, leave parent as the default, set Copy From Whatever as WarPig. |
| 05:04.45 | JademusSreg | Finally, and most importantly, we add the actor data. |
| 05:06.14 | Claymuffin | <ReviveType value="WarPig"/> |
| 05:06.36 | Claymuffin | do i remove the whole line or only whats inside the " " |
| 05:06.43 | Claymuffin | ? |
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| 05:07.05 | JademusSreg | Add New Actor, name Iron Man, id suggest (it will again suggest IronMan), type Unit, parent GenericUnitStandard. No copy from parent this time. Just click OK. Now set the unitName token at the bottom of the field panel to Iron Man. In case actor events didn't update, right click and click Reset To Default/Parent, click GenericUnitStandard. |
| 05:07.13 | JademusSreg | You delete the entire line there, Clay. |
| 05:07.51 | JademusSreg | Anyway, that's an outline of how you create a unit from scratch while also emulating existing data. |
| 05:09.12 | JademusSreg | Bounty, I'll set about demonstrating a not shitty flashlight. |
| 05:09.42 | Claymuffin | I'll tell you when I'm done with this jade. |
| 05:11.23 | JademusSreg | Also, I'd enjoy perusing the latest version of the prototype. |
| 05:13.26 | Claymuffin | Everything seem well linked |
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| 05:18.03 | Claymuffin | God damnit I still get the invalid preplaced unit error log |
| 05:18.59 | JademusSreg | Bizarre. |
| 05:19.12 | JademusSreg | Time for me to look at dependencies. |
| 05:19.20 | JademusSreg | Or rather, open it in the editor first. |
| 05:19.45 | Claymuffin | Want the map I just did? With Iron man? |
| 05:19.53 | Claymuffin | I can toss it over dropbox |
| 05:19.57 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 05:21.22 | Claymuffin | https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mp4i90r6w1hv2wh/Z8tHiTI54F/Iron%20Man.SC2Map |
| 05:23.13 | Claymuffin | I'll try to put this up the forum for troubleshooting once it's over. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one with this bug |
| 05:24.19 | JademusSreg | tests. |
| 05:25.22 | JademusSreg | First I fixed the dependencies. I removed the 3 that were there, and replace it with only SwarmStory. |
| 05:25.41 | JademusSreg | This in the first map, btw. |
| 05:26.03 | Claymuffin | k |
| 05:26.06 | JademusSreg | Then I changed the actor id to MarineCopy. |
| 05:26.27 | JademusSreg | Then I changed the parent to generic unit standard and instead copied values from Marine. |
| 05:26.45 | JademusSreg | (With that convenient pulldown menu at the bottom.) |
| 05:27.09 | JademusSreg | Then I had to correct the unitName token to refer to Marine Copy. |
| 05:27.18 | JademusSreg | And no errors in game or in the editor. |
| 05:27.23 | JademusSreg | Now to look at IronMan,. |
| 05:29.39 | JademusSreg | I see no data issue. |
| 05:29.43 | JademusSreg | Sooo |
| 05:30.16 | Claymuffin | Have you tried to run the map? Ironman is not removed? |
| 05:30.33 | JademusSreg | tests |
| 05:31.11 | JademusSreg | Nope. Not removed even a little. |
| 05:31.49 | JademusSreg | And the dependency data looks fine. |
| 05:32.29 | Claymuffin | So it's mac troubleshooting then. It probably mean "Wait for an update" |
| 05:32.45 | JademusSreg | Which suggests, if it still is not working for you, that you've got a genuine, support-worthy bug. |
| 05:32.48 | Claymuffin | Or maybe not, but I would never be able to tell anyway |
| 05:33.13 | JademusSreg | Curious. |
| 05:33.26 | JademusSreg | Do you have the patcher or anything else running? |
| 05:33.36 | JademusSreg | Because 2.0.7 was just released. |
| 05:34.04 | JademusSreg | One of the problems it fixes is an issue with accessing assets being accessed by something else. |
| 05:34.46 | Claymuffin | yea I red it if I remember |
| 05:34.56 | Claymuffin | let me look it up |
| 05:35.05 | Claymuffin | I,m pretty sure I'm up to date |
| 05:38.32 | Claymuffin | "Maps can now update Battle.net dependencies even if objects from those dependencies are currently in use" is the only editor modification in this 0.7 patch |
| 05:39.37 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 05:40.18 | Claymuffin | "New units created from the Editor do not show in the game client unless the map is saved first. answer : We are currently investigating this issue" |
| 05:40.35 | Claymuffin | tahts not exactly it, but quite close. I'm searching through the know issues |
| 05:46.12 | Claymuffin | Is Sixen actually a working blizzard staff member? I've seen him on the bug report forum. He's the one explaining how to write down a bug report. |
| 05:52.50 | Claymuffin | I found some thread takling about invalid preplaced unit bug, but they are all years old now |
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| 05:58.24 | JademusSreg | Were they also OSX users? |
| 05:59.49 | Claymuffin | Not specified |
| 05:59.52 | Claymuffin | I got new stuff |
| 06:00.03 | Claymuffin | In the iron map I did |
| 06:00.52 | Claymuffin | I opened the Iron man unit,actor and model, did not changed anything but clicked on suggest ID on the 3 of them |
| 06:00.53 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of this useless post: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/50972-rage-inducing-map-problem/#p1 |
| 06:00.56 | Claymuffin | I got 2 error log |
| 06:01.14 | Claymuffin | [4/3/2013 1:58:52 AM] USER: [ 0 a] CActorUnit[IronMan] Cannot create a CActorUnit outside of an underlying CUnit's CActorScope. Try creating the actor inside of a live unit's CActorScope or create a CActorModel instead. |
| 06:01.17 | Claymuffin | and |
| 06:01.22 | Claymuffin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.34 | JademusSreg | Fascinating. |
| 06:02.03 | JademusSreg | All I know is I save before testing. |
| 06:02.42 | Claymuffin | I'll try |
| 06:03.23 | Claymuffin | I'll redo a new iron man unit and try it out |
| 06:03.28 | Claymuffin | on a new map |
| 06:05.38 | Sixen | Claymuffin: I don't work for Blizzard, no, I just know a lot ;) |
| 06:06.06 | JademusSreg | Sixen is their friend. |
| 06:06.30 | Eagles | Hey Sixen, u heard HOTS is coming soon? :p 23:07] * Topic is 'http://sc2mapster.com | sc2mapster bnet2 channel | HotS Launch coming soon! | |
| 06:06.33 | JademusSreg | When Blizzard goes to a party, it tells stories about the great times it had with Sixen. |
| 06:06.45 | Claymuffin | Ahah :) |
| 06:06.54 | Sixen | http://sc2mapster.com | sc2mapster bnet2 channel | WCS Partnership for eSports g0g0! | We want your broken maps! http://bit.ly/aU9AgC | This channel is logged, via purl |
| 06:06.59 | *** topic/#sc2mapster by Sixen -> v |
| 06:07.01 | *** topic/#sc2mapster by Sixen -> http://sc2mapster.com | sc2mapster bnet2 channel | WCS Partnership for eSports g0g0! | We want your broken maps! http://bit.ly/aU9AgC | This channel is logged, via purl |
| 06:07.02 | Sixen | -.- |
| 06:08.01 | JademusSreg | I ought to be an moderator here. But I'll settle for Imperial Pony Princess. |
| 06:08.41 | Daara | got any hearthstone betas sixn? |
| 06:08.43 | JademusSreg | Though as I recall, you're not in a position to grant either, so no worries. |
| 06:08.44 | Sixen | not yet |
| 06:09.01 | Sixen | Jade, I thought you stepped down from mod? :X |
| 06:09.16 | JademusSreg | I moderate occassionally. =D |
| 06:09.29 | Daara | i'd be a bad mod |
| 06:09.33 | Sixen | lol |
| 06:10.27 | JademusSreg | It's just I realized it's rather futile to attempt imposing order on the Wastelands. /fallout reference |
| 06:10.27 | Daara | 1.7mb/s not fast enough :c |
| 06:12.14 | Claymuffin | Fixed |
| 06:12.21 | Claymuffin | I saved the map before testing |
| 06:12.28 | Claymuffin | And the unit shows up |
| 06:12.54 | Claymuffin | It it still worthy of a bug report? |
| 06:13.03 | JademusSreg | By which I mean the trigger&script resource section is beyond monitoring, and the system is not structured such that it makes it feasible, with separate submission and accepted sections and a peer review process of able, willing contributors to assist in peer review. |
| 06:14.00 | JademusSreg | And most of all, it distracts from, to put it colloquially, getting shit done. |
| 06:14.55 | Claymuffin | Are you saying that the ST2Mapster web site is not well structured for real troubleshooting and to individualized in problem solving? |
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| 06:16.24 | JademusSreg | Naw, I mean the forums do not provide efficient tools by which to control the quality of content accepted as resources. |
| 06:17.50 | JademusSreg | And such a system, even were it to be implemented, would still be overshadowed by the Maps/Assets systems, which is a more populated lawless territory. |
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| 06:18.08 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/ |
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| 06:18.29 | Claymuffin_ | O jeez |
| 06:18.43 | Claymuffin_ | It work if I save my map before testing it |
| 06:19.13 | JademusSreg | Sounds like a sensible thing to do. =D |
| 06:19.25 | Claymuffin_ | If I go on the unit, the model or the actor and click "suggest ID" again. It gives me nice amount of error log |
| 06:19.39 | Claymuffin_ | the unit model disapear in the editor |
| 06:19.42 | JademusSreg | That's amusing. |
| 06:19.45 | Claymuffin_ | but |
| 06:19.51 | Claymuffin_ | if I save it again and test the map |
| 06:20.00 | Claymuffin_ | the unit shows up correctly without any bug |
| 06:20.12 | JademusSreg | I expected as much. |
| 06:20.13 | Claymuffin_ | that even more amusing a guess |
| 06:21.19 | Claymuffin_ | So what do you recommend me Jade? Wait for a bug fix that may never come or go on with work around? |
| 06:21.32 | Claymuffin_ | I'm kinda unable to understand the graviy of this bug |
| 06:22.02 | Claymuffin_ | And how much trouble it could possibly cause me |
| 06:22.38 | JademusSreg | You mean the id thing or the save-before-testing? |
| 06:23.09 | Claymuffin_ | both of them actually. It seem they could even be related somehow?!? |
| 06:24.18 | JademusSreg | Sure, in some sense. So long as you save before you test, it should be fine. |
| 06:24.42 | JademusSreg | The errors on id changes appear superficial, nothing to worry about. |
| 06:25.08 | Claymuffin_ | I'm going to end up with the editor filled up with void model balls haha |
| 06:26.43 | JademusSreg | You change ids that often? =D |
| 06:27.20 | Claymuffin_ | I used to do it when I was duplicating units, so it should not happen anymore |
| 06:27.42 | Claymuffin_ | Duplicated unit share no logical link with their IDs |
| 06:27.56 | Claymuffin_ | a duplicated marine get the Marine Copy name, but the MArine2 ID |
| 06:28.12 | Claymuffin_ | tahts why I would update them before, I'll just stop doing it |
| 06:28.24 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:29.23 | Claymuffin_ | new stuff |
| 06:30.04 | Claymuffin_ | After updating the Iron man unit, actor and model IDs, ironman turned into the void model in the editor |
| 06:30.11 | Claymuffin_ | I saved and closed the map |
| 06:30.42 | Claymuffin_ | When I open it again, the model is properly displayed in the editor |
| 06:30.51 | JademusSreg | As expected. |
| 06:30.58 | Claymuffin_ | So everything "seem" fine for now :D |
| 06:31.10 | JademusSreg | Like I said, superficial. =D |
| 06:31.15 | JademusSreg | No worries. |
| 06:31.27 | Claymuffin_ | So funny when you say this |
| 06:31.31 | Claymuffin_ | "as expected" |
| 06:31.53 | JademusSreg | Ah, I can explain. |
| 06:32.03 | Claymuffin_ | I don't know what to expect, and I don't even know what to "not" expect |
| 06:33.17 | Claymuffin_ | I wasn't necessarily saying this for that reason, but I would not spit on explanations :) |
| 06:33.54 | JademusSreg | See, the data is all there, and it's all correct. Which means its an editor bug with how it is updating its links, but not with the data itself. So the data remains intact, and when you flush its memory of the bad links, such as by closing and reopening the map, it makes new links correctly from the data. |
| 06:34.19 | Claymuffin_ | Ok |
| 06:34.37 | Claymuffin_ | Seem logical enough with what I have been experiencing |
| 06:34.45 | Claymuffin_ | On another subject |
| 06:34.49 | JademusSreg | Thus, it's behaving as I expected. |
| 06:34.57 | Claymuffin_ | Ah :) |
| 06:35.59 | Claymuffin_ | If I create from scratch a more complex unit such a resource like the mineral field, I know that the actor event+ is a bit more complex |
| 06:36.43 | Claymuffin_ | Will I need to set it up or will it somewhat fill itself from the unit type it is linked to? |
| 06:37.20 | Claymuffin_ | I know most data events are automatically filled up |
| 06:37.26 | Claymuffin_ | just wondering |
| 06:37.38 | JademusSreg | I see the parent for minerals. |
| 06:37.44 | JademusSreg | MineralBase. |
| 06:38.16 | JademusSreg | So if you make custom minerals, New Actor > type: Unit > Parent: MineralBase |
| 06:38.44 | Claymuffin_ | Really nice |
| 06:38.51 | Claymuffin_ | that will save me trouble |
| 06:38.54 | JademusSreg | I'll look for more info. |
| 06:39.21 | Claymuffin_ | I'll be getting into that tomorrow, I'll see what I come up with |
| 06:39.51 | JademusSreg | So the way it animates the different states is fairly simple. When the behavior level of the minerals are at different values, it applies different anim groups. |
| 06:40.22 | Claymuffin_ | The goal will be to make a custom resource that look like scrapped metal debris for a "Stranded on Krydon" survival game type |
| 06:40.23 | JademusSreg | If you're using the same model asset and behavior, you can copy pasta the actor events (via XML, preferably). |
| 06:40.24 | Claymuffin_ | Ok |
| 06:40.42 | JademusSreg | If the behavior is different, you'd need to update the references. |
| 06:41.53 | Claymuffin_ | What are the multiple anim group for? |
| 06:41.57 | Claymuffin_ | A-B-C? |
| 06:42.07 | Claymuffin_ | The glitter effect on the mineral? |
| 06:42.18 | JademusSreg | If you look at the model asset in the cutscene viewer, you'll see the animations. |
| 06:42.29 | JademusSreg | Such as Stand A, Stand B, Stand C. |
| 06:42.35 | Claymuffin_ | Oh right I can search by name |
| 06:43.39 | Claymuffin_ | One last question, then I will go to sleep |
| 06:43.49 | JademusSreg | AnimGroup appends a tag to the animations, so all the references to its sets of animations function correctly. |
| 06:44.53 | Claymuffin_ | Do you know what is responsible for which model the SCV carries when harvesting? The little crystal? I've been unable to find where thats handled... |
| 06:45.28 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 06:46.49 | JademusSreg | The Resource behavior has a field that defines the behavior applied to harvesters when they harvest. An actor attaches a model for Behavior.X.On and destroys it on Behavior.X.Off, basically. |
| 06:47.20 | Claymuffin_ | Oh that fairly simple then |
| 06:47.26 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 06:47.34 | JademusSreg | I've got a demo, but it may need fixing. |
| 06:47.47 | JademusSreg | So I'll link it another time. |
| 06:47.53 | Claymuffin_ | No problem |
| 06:48.57 | Claymuffin_ | I keep most of our conversation in textedit so I can reference to it later. I will work on all of this and see what I can come up with. |
| 06:49.10 | JademusSreg | Haha. kk |
| 06:49.11 | Claymuffin_ | I need to change the way I approach the editor |
| 06:49.39 | Claymuffin_ | I don,t understand what I do because I don't understand how the editor behave |
| 06:49.48 | Claymuffin_ | Thats the biggest thign I gotta work on I guess |
| 06:49.54 | JademusSreg | Yes. I can see how that would be problematic. |
| 06:50.31 | Claymuffin_ | I'll be off for some sleep, eastern time here |
| 06:50.47 | Claymuffin_ | Thank you very much for all the time you gave me |
| 06:51.11 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 06:51.43 | Claymuffin_ | Thats much appreciated. If it weren't for you guys in here, no newbs would never be able to make it work out properly. |
| 06:51.48 | Claymuffin_ | Good night |
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| 07:39.56 | JademusSreg | Damn. A patch broke my elevator. |
| 07:40.06 | twodie | what patch? |
| 07:40.34 | JademusSreg | Dunno. But sure enough, my elevator isn't updating unit positions properly. |
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| 07:56.21 | hobbidude | hey jade |
| 07:57.24 | JademusSreg | Hi thar. |
| 07:57.43 | hobbidude | just asked you a question the the cliff ramp thread |
| 07:58.06 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 07:58.43 | JademusSreg | Well, technically speaking, he doesn't -need- to use units, but the alternative is worse. |
| 07:59.01 | hobbidude | not really |
| 07:59.11 | hobbidude | just use a tilted bridge |
| 07:59.14 | hobbidude | hide it if needed |
| 07:59.47 | JademusSreg | I think perhaps you are thinking a tad more narrowly than I am, in this instance. |
| 08:00.07 | JademusSreg | Your suggestion is best suited for being able to build ramps in designated areas. |
| 08:00.43 | JademusSreg | And the alternative I meant was painting the pathing dynamically, instead of using units. |
| 08:01.19 | hobbidude | i thinking painting is only needed if you don't use the footprint |
| 08:01.56 | hobbidude | oh have to talked to twodie |
| 08:02.03 | hobbidude | i think he has a similar issue |
| 08:02.10 | hobbidude | was gonna send him yourway |
| 08:02.44 | twodie | i? well not really an issue cause i will be using passable units |
| 08:02.48 | twodie | now will try the model |
| 08:03.03 | hobbidude | oh hey lol |
| 08:03.23 | twodie | then i need a way to make to block units on the ground from walking on the building |
| 08:03.29 | twodie | and other way around |
| 08:03.31 | JademusSreg | On a related subject, a patch broke my elevator's visuals. |
| 08:03.35 | JademusSreg | Gonna need to fix that. |
| 08:03.43 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 08:04.38 | hobbidude | so like a gate then |
| 08:05.34 | twodie | sec |
| 08:05.38 | twodie | pic inc |
| 08:06.26 | twodie | it needs "stairs" to be involved to make units to pass on the wall unit |
| 08:07.58 | twodie | plus when a lot of wall units constructed interaction must be dealt with, like if i would create borders in footprint with not passable area and center only passable then units wont go all the way through the wall segments. |
| 08:08.05 | twodie | a lot of headache in other words |
| 08:08.10 | twodie | to make it work great |
| 08:08.44 | twodie | http://snag.gy/CMUxb.jpg |
| 08:08.58 | twodie | plus the units builds wall while they are on top of the wall :/ |
| 08:09.33 | hobbidude | wow thats pretty close to the hots wall units i showed |
| 08:09.44 | Skizot | walls shouldn't HAVE pathing :( |
| 08:10.05 | hobbidude | so you don;t want units on top? |
| 08:10.19 | Skizot | well it's not mine lol, just saying it looks weird. |
| 08:10.28 | Skizot | make a tower they can clim behind the wall. |
| 08:10.29 | hobbidude | oh oops |
| 08:12.09 | twodie | http://snag.gy/4pRtv.jpg |
| 08:12.17 | twodie | here is some more massive usage |
| 08:13.35 | hobbidude | almost looks like you need multiple variances of a model to change how they interect with the other walls around them |
| 08:14.41 | twodie | yep. seems like a lot triggering must be involved to make it work great |
| 08:15.14 | Skizot | not so much... |
| 08:15.24 | Skizot | would be a simple check radius |
| 08:15.40 | Skizot | check the sides when placed and if there are units there then make a certain wall unit. |
| 08:15.47 | hobbidude | ya |
| 08:15.52 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 08:16.00 | twodie | zopa |
| 08:16.15 | Skizot | also, sixen likes little boys |
| 08:16.28 | hobbidude | named cloaken you mean |
| 08:16.59 | JademusSreg | Naw, could be done entirely in data. |
| 08:17.28 | Skizot | yeah yeah jade you and your damned data. |
| 08:17.56 | JademusSreg | I enjoy scripting, but gotta recognize data is quite efficient. |
| 08:19.43 | Skizot | I'd rather make models and say fuck it :P |
| 08:20.23 | JademusSreg | Fair enough. |
| 08:20.35 | Skizot | it's what i enjoy doing. |
| 08:20.38 | JademusSreg | Taking requests? =D |
| 08:20.44 | Skizot | possibly. |
| 08:20.49 | Skizot | depends on the complexity. |
| 08:21.03 | Skizot | trying to work on my OWN game atm.. |
| 08:21.28 | hobbidude | oh ya anyone know if the shredder field assets in hiding somewhere in the hots files? |
| 08:21.54 | JademusSreg | I'm entertaining several project ideas, so when one of the designs asserts its dominion over the others, I'll keep you in mind. |
| 08:22.57 | JademusSreg | Oh, the shredder field, hm. |
| 08:23.21 | JademusSreg | I have yet to complete my browsing of its archives. |
| 08:23.44 | JademusSreg | Thank goodness for Alt ` browse |
| 08:23.58 | hobbidude | ?? |
| 08:24.14 | JademusSreg | Try it. Alt `. Type browse into the console. |
| 08:24.33 | JademusSreg | Then to filter the files, put .m3 in the search. |
| 08:24.43 | hobbidude | srry afe |
| 08:24.55 | hobbidude | away from editor :) |
| 08:25.01 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 08:26.06 | Skizot | well see I need a GOOD unity coder and maybe one or two more artists for my idea. |
| 08:26.31 | JademusSreg | Do you have a prototype, at least? |
| 08:26.53 | Skizot | working on it. |
| 08:26.57 | JademusSreg | Or prototypes of the mechanics involves, at double-least? |
| 08:27.11 | Skizot | well the mechanics are REATRDEDLY simple. |
| 08:27.15 | Skizot | retardely |
| 08:27.22 | Skizot | fuck that is a weird word. |
| 08:27.27 | JademusSreg | retardiddly |
| 08:27.33 | Skizot | Retardedly |
| 08:27.39 | hobbidude | lmao |
| 08:27.40 | Skizot | IT"S SIMPLE DAMMIT. |
| 08:27.43 | JademusSreg | Damn. I was gonna have fun with that. |
| 08:28.08 | Skizot | very basic fps exploration game. |
| 08:28.15 | Skizot | not even sure i want any weaponry. |
| 08:28.34 | hobbidude | i was thinking of doing defender 2 in sc2 |
| 08:28.54 | JademusSreg | Neato. So what's the design? |
| 08:28.58 | Skizot | might need em though... due to the fuckign DINOSAURS |
| 08:29.20 | JademusSreg | So it's Jurassic Park? |
| 08:29.26 | Skizot | kinda yeah |
| 08:29.42 | Skizot | I was thinking something that school kids could put on and wander around to see dinosaurs.. |
| 08:30.23 | JademusSreg | Are we talking old school scale-hides, or adorable feathered raptors? |
| 08:30.52 | Skizot | well for the kids version (a.ka. they are using it to learn) I would prefer the most recent finds. |
| 08:30.58 | G0A | wth sc2 launcher dling 50 mb |
| 08:31.02 | hobbidude | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaxCv82HUVo |
| 08:31.15 | hobbidude | this is defender - thinking of recreating it |
| 08:32.02 | G0A | bnet lag will kill it.D |
| 08:32.20 | hobbidude | lol - well thats an extreme video |
| 08:32.30 | hobbidude | starts off way slower |
| 08:32.42 | G0A | I mean the key press delay will kill it |
| 08:32.55 | hobbidude | don't use keypress |
| 08:33.01 | hobbidude | original doesn;t |
| 08:36.59 | JademusSreg | HAhahaha |
| 08:47.56 | G0A | http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/7625180/StarCraft_II_Heart_of_the_Swarm_Patch_207_Notes-03_04_2013 |
| 09:03.16 | G0A | hmm there was a actor message to get back the original texture of a model, which one is it? |
| 09:06.05 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 09:08.18 | G0A | found |
| 09:08.19 | JademusSreg | Texture Reset |
| 09:08.23 | G0A | texture reset... |
| 09:08.26 | G0A | :D |
| 09:08.28 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 09:08.59 | G0A | always forget to search for actor messages in values instead of functions... |
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| 10:31.00 | Zolden | twodie: what are you doing these days? |
| 10:33.15 | twodie | Zolden, well at weekend had done the basic survival game mode for aok. |
| 10:33.32 | twodie | last 2-3 days not much |
| 10:33.38 | twodie | a lot of youtubing |
| 10:33.45 | Zolden | :)) |
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| 10:35.18 | twodie | now, was watching day9, before today was trying out http://snag.gy/4pRtv.jpg |
| 10:35.22 | twodie | new wall system |
| 10:35.28 | Zolden | i've been helping proxy to fix blender m3tools, soon we will be able to import any hots models with full functionality |
| 10:35.57 | Zolden | so, you managed to create physic bodies in max? |
| 10:36.03 | Zolden | for your own models |
| 10:36.29 | Zolden | will catapult explosion create funny physical destroying of the walls? |
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| 10:36.40 | twodie | well this walkable on units one is easy, just adding box and the unit moves on top of the box autoamticly |
| 10:37.00 | Zolden | cool |
| 10:37.12 | twodie | Zolden no real plans to make such physic to happen yet |
| 10:37.56 | twodie | i need to make that from ground units counld easily to walk on walls and it would be able to walk all oever connected wall segments |
| 10:39.10 | JademusSreg | would like some generic walkable planes with attachment points. |
| 10:39.21 | JademusSreg | Actually, lots of people could make use of that. |
| 10:40.00 | twodie | but since quite lazy to think of great way to make that happen plus need to make that walls nearby would join to one unit to make less units placed on the map |
| 10:40.32 | JademusSreg | Do it by powers of two. |
| 10:40.44 | twodie | power of two? |
| 10:40.57 | JademusSreg | Yeah. n^2 |
| 10:41.36 | twodie | connect 4 1x1 segments of walls to 1 2x2? |
| 10:41.44 | JademusSreg | Er. |
| 10:41.56 | JademusSreg | Not quite what I mean, exactly, but yes. |
| 10:42.18 | twodie | fuck im lazy :( |
| 10:42.40 | twodie | cat is trying every sec to sleep on me :/ |
| 10:43.00 | JademusSreg | I meant in a more general sense that wherever two adjacent wall units are of the same size and orientation, combine them into a single wall unit. |
| 10:43.12 | Zolden | JademusSreg: i can create walkable planes when i have time if you specify their size and names and allocation of attachments |
| 10:44.04 | JademusSreg | I figured the community as a whole and myself in particular could benefit from a variety of basic shapes with various attachment points. |
| 10:44.24 | Zolden | twodie: yea, letting walls combine automatically is a good thing, i'll use it for civ i think, to combine irrigation and roads into one unit |
| 10:45.11 | Zolden | twodie: do standard physic have attachments? |
| 10:47.31 | JademusSreg | Some basic polygons (tri,rect,penta,hexa,octa,deca), with attachment points at each vertex, middle of each edge, the interior center, plus over and under. That should cover most applications. |
| 10:47.52 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 10:48.22 | Zolden | alright |
| 10:56.32 | twodie | and back |
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| 10:57.14 | Zolden | http://i.snag.gy/Th9V8.jpg |
| 10:57.40 | Zolden | fresnel + displacement -> badass |
| 10:59.10 | twodie | idk about those attachments in physics, they work like shapes, boxes, etc |
| 11:02.55 | twodie | i would thing to making in such a way: http://snag.gy/FV5Qf.jpg |
| 11:04.36 | Zolden | maybe we can rotate and intersect them to create any shapes |
| 11:05.49 | twodie | you can combine, pick shapes |
| 11:07.19 | twodie | the green line represent the walkable shape, top http://snag.gy/U5RD6.jpg |
| 11:09.05 | twodie | anyway, going to make new rocks, mountain models with some textures created seen in HotS rocks |
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| 11:19.44 | Zolden | anyone's familiar with markers? |
| 11:21.13 | G0A | finally I bought hots. |
| 11:21.23 | G0A | waste of 30 euros |
| 11:21.58 | twodie | why you that !?! :O |
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| 11:23.41 | Zolden | guys, do you think it's enough to add "no markers" validator to the damage effect to avoid the (persistent->lots ofdamage effects) hit a target more than once? |
| 11:26.06 | G0A | I think so Zolden, check already made weapons. |
| 11:26.32 | twodie | http://snag.gy/j0RH6.jpg |
| 11:27.19 | G0A | high contrast? |
| 11:27.45 | G0A | G0A wonders what does twodie listening too |
| 11:27.50 | G0A | to* |
| 11:28.26 | twodie | which song of the author? genres of the music? or what specific? |
| 11:29.32 | Zolden | twodie: how did you import the model into max? |
| 11:29.36 | Zolden | oh, it's just a mesh |
| 11:30.00 | twodie | i dont import anything! |
| 11:30.05 | twodie | its pile of shit! |
| 11:30.13 | Zolden | u created it? |
| 11:31.43 | twodie | yes |
| 11:32.41 | Zolden | anyone remember raynor's line gun icon name? |
| 11:32.43 | twodie | now thinking how to make easy unwraps to make use of details in textures |
| 11:32.43 | Zolden | or abil name |
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| 11:33.07 | SaVi | Hey all, can someone help me with a Actor problem? |
| 11:33.33 | Zolden | SaVi: jsut ask |
| 11:34.30 | SaVi | Its about a Hellion shooting a missile. Currently the missile is spawning at the ground, but i want to let it created in front of the Turret |
| 11:34.47 | SaVi | What do I have to change? I nearly know nothing about Actors >.< |
| 11:35.25 | Zolden | attack actor has host site ops field, you need to add there SopAttachWeapon entry |
| 11:38.34 | SaVi | With Attack actor you mean the "Action" for the Missile? Or the Unit-Actor of the Hellion? |
| 11:39.53 | Zolden | action |
| 11:42.39 | SaVi | In the "Action" is no field called "Host site ops" T_T... The only field with Host is "Host supporter". |
| 11:47.51 | Zolden | maybe launch site ops |
| 11:51.22 | SaVi | Doesnt change anything :/ |
| 11:51.33 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/SC2%202013-04-03%2014-50-32-78.jpg |
| 11:51.59 | SaVi | Had this error too one time :D |
| 11:52.43 | G0A | is that qapril 1 error? |
| 11:52.52 | A1win | just got it now |
| 11:54.46 | SaVi | wtf whatever I use in the field nothing changes |
| 12:01.36 | JademusSreg | \Zoop. |
| 12:02.24 | Zolden | hydralisk? sounds serious |
| 12:02.34 | Zolden | some kind of fatal error |
| 12:02.52 | Zolden | SaVi: inspect other missile launch actions |
| 12:03.03 | Zolden | marauder, stalker, banshee |
| 12:03.13 | SaVi | k |
| 12:05.00 | Zolden | also, check if you have link to the missile actor from action actor, and link to missile units from the launch effect |
| 12:08.19 | A1win | https://twitter.com/A1win/status/319420885645803520 |
| 12:08.39 | JademusSreg | Nicely done. |
| 12:11.04 | SaVi | I followed this tutorial http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/17154-data-colliding-projectiles/ |
| 12:11.29 | JademusSreg | What's the topic? |
| 12:11.46 | JademusSreg | By which I mean, what are you attempting to do? |
| 12:11.59 | SaVi | [13:34] <SaVi> Its about a Hellion shooting a missile. Currently the missile is spawning at the ground, but i want to let it created in front of the Turret |
| 12:12.00 | SaVi | [13:34] <SaVi> What do I have to change? I nearly know nothing about Actors >.< |
| 12:12.20 | SaVi | Just me failing in the data editor >.< |
| 12:14.19 | JademusSreg | Assume I didn't read the previous messages. I want to know the design, the way you would describe it to someone who doesn't play sC2, how it looks and moves. |
| 12:16.09 | SaVi | Currently 2 player share one hellion. The first player drives it and the second is shooting with the turret. I followed the linked tutorial and created a missile launch effect which occurs when the second player shoots. |
| 12:16.43 | SaVi | It's a standard missile spawning at the hellion and flying beyond the target point to its max range in a linear way |
| 12:17.15 | SaVi | My Problem now is that it spawns in the middle of the hellion below the Turret and i want it to be launched at the turret |
| 12:17.58 | SaVi | But as far as I SUCK ^^ in the data editor im just noobing around :/ |
| 12:19.11 | JademusSreg | I generally disagree with a persistent-based approach to collider projectiles, but no matter. Go to the actor entry, press Ctrl 3, copy the XML, paste it in a pastebin site, like pastee.org, hastebin.com, pastebin.com or sc2mapster's paste feature, provide the link to said paste. |
| 12:22.20 | SaVi | you mean like that? https://pastee.org/p7brr |
| 12:22.28 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 12:23.22 | SaVi | the marauder attack launch was only for testing.. I also tried SoPAttachWeapon.. SoPAttachWeapon00... and something with turret |
| 12:23.27 | SaVi | no changes at all |
| 12:23.50 | JademusSreg | I don't see an actor for the missile unit. And I expect there is no missile unit, either? |
| 12:24.09 | JademusSreg | So what then is the launch effect launching as its ammo unit? |
| 12:24.50 | SaVi | there is one i post the whole XML i get listed there |
| 12:24.51 | SaVi | https://pastee.org/nwace |
| 12:25.59 | SaVi | The launch effect is launching a Unit called "Standard Missile" |
| 12:26.27 | JademusSreg | I should point out that editing standard data is not a good practice. Better to add new data, so you maintain standard data as a reference and patches won't break shit terribly. |
| 12:27.08 | JademusSreg | Next, the same for the effect data. |
| 12:27.15 | JademusSreg | Delicious XML. |
| 12:27.30 | SaVi | sounds comprehensible^^ delicious? xD |
| 12:28.27 | SaVi | https://pastee.org/zvwmg |
| 12:29.50 | JademusSreg | And which effect is the entry point to the effect tree? |
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| 12:30.13 | JademusSreg | MissileInitial? |
| 12:30.19 | SaVi | yep |
| 12:30.35 | SaVi | In the tutorial he had 2 missiles with offsets but I just wanted one |
| 12:32.17 | JademusSreg | Tell me the value in the field of the action actor for Missile. |
| 12:32.35 | JademusSreg | I'm betting it is MissileActionMissile |
| 12:33.04 | JademusSreg | And your missile actor's id is StandardMissile, so it's not implicitly linked. |
| 12:34.02 | SaVi | so change the MissileActionMissile to my missile? |
| 12:34.06 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 12:34.12 | SaVi | oh my god im such a noob^^ |
| 12:34.47 | JademusSreg | If so, you are the best kind. |
| 12:35.14 | JademusSreg | One that can follow instructions intelligently. |
| 12:35.36 | SaVi | oh stop it you ;) |
| 12:36.02 | SaVi | awwww yeahh its working fine now |
| 12:36.33 | SaVi | Thank you very much |
| 12:36.40 | JademusSreg | http://youtu.be/BvYByDQq4gc |
| 12:37.21 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 12:38.07 | SaVi | Gonna try to create cliff checks now^^ maybe im coming back later crying that the world is unfair^^ |
| 12:38.15 | JademusSreg | Hold on. |
| 12:38.33 | JademusSreg | I can't just let you stumble into that unprepared. |
| 12:38.47 | SaVi | no no^^ i will search on mapster ofc |
| 12:38.49 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Jademus%20Demo.SC2Map |
| 12:39.15 | SaVi | or I just open that demo map which should make everything much easier xD |
| 12:40.08 | JademusSreg | My approach to collider missiles. A bit more complex, but there are some useful techniques demonstrated that may be applicable to your situation. |
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| 12:42.43 | JademusSreg | Oh, I should mention it uses mouse camera, hold left click to fire, and hold right click to accelerate into a full sprint. |
| 12:44.45 | SaVi | Just have a black map when i start the game |
| 12:45.05 | JademusSreg | Hrm. Damn the latest patch. |
| 12:45.16 | JademusSreg | fixes shit. |
| 12:47.46 | SaVi | hmm |
| 12:48.02 | JademusSreg | saves and tests. |
| 12:48.50 | SaVi | is testing the /me function |
| 12:48.52 | SaVi | ah lol |
| 12:49.02 | JademusSreg | Fixed. |
| 12:49.18 | JademusSreg | Probably. |
| 12:49.31 | JademusSreg | Perhaps not. |
| 12:49.42 | JademusSreg | OR rather, the link isn't updated yet. |
| 12:50.07 | SaVi | Dropbox needs some time to upload it |
| 12:50.23 | JademusSreg | There we go. |
| 12:50.47 | JademusSreg | The trouble was I deleted the old and immediately replaced it with a new file. Showed the date incorrectly. |
| 12:51.08 | JademusSreg | So I figured it pushed back the old version. |
| 12:51.15 | JademusSreg | Anyway, fixed and uploaded. |
| 12:53.25 | SaVi | How do you keep the missile at the same height when shooting on lower regions? My missiles crash into the ground |
| 12:54.00 | JademusSreg | Mover with a throw driver and throw vector 0,-1,0 |
| 12:54.26 | JademusSreg | And it doesn't hit units below, either. =D |
| 12:54.36 | SaVi | uhhhh nice |
| 12:54.55 | JademusSreg | There are ways it can be improved, but it's a good demonstration of the approach. |
| 12:55.25 | G0A | Zolden ehh, Random TD is the 19th most played map on NA:D |
| 12:55.53 | Zolden | nice :) |
| 12:56.02 | Zolden | so, loading screen propaganda works? |
| 12:57.32 | G0A | I have no idea why did it get so popular |
| 12:57.52 | G0A | I didnt patch it and it has no new reviews |
| 13:01.04 | Zolden | but you put it to loading screen of nss, right? |
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| 13:04.26 | Zolden | Dustin: did you try the dialog css scne after the new patch? |
| 13:05.07 | G0A | Zolden I have it as one of the 20 tip or so of the loading screen |
| 13:06.07 | Zolden | well, since popularity system is based on positive feedback, so more popularity attract more players, thus even a little push may bring it into the top of page 2 |
| 13:07.17 | G0A | but it has no new reviews and it was page 3-5 2 days ago |
| 13:09.04 | SaVi | So using behaviours to detect a collide is usually better than a persistant? |
| 13:09.53 | Zolden | G0A: it raised on popularity, which means they played it, but they were probably noobs, and didn't get it, and left no reviews |
| 13:11.19 | Zolden | it's how the modern popularity system: some extra hours played put it into up and coming, it attract some players, map reaches "no more up and coming" threshold, remains on page 2 for a few hours, and go down rapidly again until the new push and up and coming |
| 13:11.29 | Dustin|Work | I was going to Last night Zolden, but I got busy |
| 13:11.39 | Dustin|Work | I have the map saved that should work, I just gotta try it tonight |
| 13:14.29 | Zolden | Dustin|Work: I have set "no markers" validator to a damage that should hurt only once, and it stopped to affect anyone. What else should i change so "no markers" validator work as it supposed to? |
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| 13:32.38 | Dustin|Work | If you replied to my message at 8:16am I didn't see it cause I was disc Zolden |
| 13:35.17 | Zolden | i only asked you a markers question |
| 13:36.20 | Zolden | but for now i think i found the answer on forum |
| 13:45.50 | Dustin|Work | good deal |
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| 13:47.54 | G0A | hmm, somebody should make an library for arcade maps with all the override player options, which players would be able to set for each map and would be saved into banks. |
| 13:48.24 | G0A | I may do that in 1-2 weeks, but first I need to update some of my maps |
| 14:04.17 | Claymuffin | I just started to make my data units from scratch, anybody can help with a small issue? |
| 14:05.01 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 14:05.04 | Claymuffin | I made a new model but it's not in the list of available models when I try to assign it from the actor |
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| 14:05.21 | help1 | help me plz |
| 14:05.32 | JademusSreg | A model actor or model data, Clay? |
| 14:05.34 | help1 | i couldnt solve it all day days |
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| 14:05.52 | Claymuffin | model actor |
| 14:06.01 | help1 | baneling hunter uses spliter ability |
| 14:06.01 | Claymuffin | whats under FieldArt: ModelScrap Metal |
| 14:06.03 | help1 | how do i do? |
| 14:06.28 | JademusSreg | Clay, you add model data, not a model actor. |
| 14:06.30 | help1 | splittering becomes 2 banelings |
| 14:06.50 | JademusSreg | hel, why not look at the data to see>? |
| 14:06.51 | help1 | but hunter baneling becomes 2 banelings |
| 14:07.06 | help1 | i looked at data already all day |
| 14:07.13 | help1 | even i removed weapon etc |
| 14:07.17 | Claymuffin | it seem to be properly linked by default |
| 14:07.17 | help1 | behavior |
| 14:07.26 | help1 | oh |
| 14:07.29 | help1 | i can try new unit |
| 14:07.37 | JademusSreg | Clay, if the id matches, yes. |
| 14:07.44 | JademusSreg | That's the glory of tokens. |
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| 14:08.07 | gooose | i m having trouble with adressing players on team |
| 14:08.26 | gooose | i want to set a spawn point according to the current team the player is on |
| 14:08.40 | Claymuffin | let me try it again before |
| 14:08.59 | gooose | but i dont see a trigger doing <integer> team of player |
| 14:09.15 | help1 | hey |
| 14:09.18 | help1 | there is problem |
| 14:09.24 | help1 | i removed weapons, abilities |
| 14:09.27 | help1 | behaviors |
| 14:09.40 | help1 | still there are splitterling effects in effect |
| 14:09.44 | help1 | how do i remove them |
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| 14:10.37 | help1 | even if i search split in table view |
| 14:10.40 | help1 | i can't find them |
| 14:10.50 | help1 | but it is attached to my baneling copy unit |
| 14:11.13 | help1 | how do i remove it plz? |
| 14:11.45 | JademusSreg | Carefully. |
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| 14:16.25 | help1_ | hey |
| 14:16.30 | help1_ | i was disconnected |
| 14:16.33 | help1_ | please help me |
| 14:17.36 | JademusSreg | So you made a copy of it or modified it? |
| 14:18.37 | help1_ | copied it |
| 14:18.47 | help1_ | duplicated |
| 14:19.33 | JademusSreg | And you duplicated it and made changes to it before understanding how it works, yes? |
| 14:20.07 | help1_ | what change? |
| 14:20.19 | help1_ | i guess i must make new unit. i can't remove them |
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| 14:27.23 | Bounty | >.< |
| 14:27.52 | JademusSreg | Hi thar. |
| 14:27.56 | Bounty | Herro |
| 14:29.01 | JademusSreg | Wat's up? |
| 14:29.16 | Bounty | n2m u? |
| 14:29.29 | Bounty | Thinking about where i should start today lol |
| 14:29.53 | JademusSreg | I'm fiddling with head-mounted lights. |
| 14:30.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 14:31.14 | JademusSreg | A spot light, of course, not an ambient light. |
| 14:31.24 | JademusSreg | Or rather, Omni light. |
| 14:31.43 | Bounty | I'm trying to think up ideas for jump scares |
| 14:32.06 | Bounty | Going to be more difficult this time around considering your enemy is not paranormal |
| 14:34.32 | JademusSreg | Dunno why you insist on designing for low graphic settings. =D |
| 14:36.04 | Bounty | im not |
| 14:36.07 | Bounty | even right now |
| 14:36.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster Dustin|Work (~Dustin@64.39.213.168) |
| 14:36.12 | Bounty | you need high shaders and medium lighting |
| 14:37.09 | JademusSreg | I may have a way to make the shadow / vision frame look better, as well. |
| 14:37.29 | Bounty | on the circle? |
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| 14:38.51 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 14:39.07 | Bounty | oh and u wanna know something awesome? |
| 14:39.11 | Bounty | roof isnt going to be hard to add |
| 14:39.23 | Bounty | Will only take like 3 ice bridges to cover the entire area that needs it |
| 14:39.32 | Bounty | super size ice bridges still have nice textures :) |
| 14:40.19 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 14:40.49 | Bounty | If you get a chance though Jade |
| 14:40.56 | Bounty | I could use some help finding the roof for the cave and lab areas |
| 14:40.57 | Bounty | :) |
| 14:41.25 | JademusSreg | Haha, I can think of a few. |
| 14:42.05 | JademusSreg | And with some SOp rotation, I can think of a few more. |
| 14:42.14 | Bounty | no sop rotation lol |
| 14:42.25 | JademusSreg | Why not? =D |
| 14:42.39 | Bounty | bc i would just rather use something with a bottom texture |
| 14:43.11 | JademusSreg | Consider the convenience of being able to see the interior while the roof is on. |
| 14:43.28 | Bounty | I was thinking about that haha |
| 14:43.48 | Bounty | but if i remember correctly, you cant flip doodads upside down |
| 14:43.49 | Bounty | only units |
| 14:43.53 | Lajjla | JademusSreg, did you know that taintedwisp and I are gay lovers? |
| 14:43.53 | Bounty | or did they change that? |
| 14:43.59 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 14:44.13 | JademusSreg | And it's always been doable, Bounty. |
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| 14:50.25 | gooose | WHO THE FUCK made the lobby system based on ID i want to fucking kill him |
| 14:50.44 | Dustin|Work | THe lobby is a piece of shit |
| 14:50.58 | JademusSreg | imagines that's what XBox Live must be like. |
| 14:54.43 | gooose | yea i noticed that and now i need to change half of my trigger FUCK THAT PERSON ffs |
| 14:55.36 | JademusSreg | Sure sounds like it. |
| 15:00.27 | gooose | how comes that WARCRAFT 3 that is more than TEN years older has a BETTER lobby system.... |
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| 15:08.59 | Bounty | Not the same company goose |
| 15:10.17 | Bounty | Got the randomization system done jade :) |
| 15:10.26 | Bounty | fully dynamic and random generation of where the objectives are |
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| 15:11.45 | JademusSreg | Neat. |
| 15:11.55 | JademusSreg | Need to wrap up this light. |
| 15:12.27 | Bounty | Instead of using preplaced points i used preplaced dummy units |
| 15:12.43 | Bounty | so when a "unit" is selected as the point i can remove it from the unit group to avoid duplicates |
| 15:14.38 | JademusSreg | Makes sense. |
| 15:17.20 | JademusSreg | Units are apparently good for anything. |
| 15:18.11 | Bounty | So the first objective is |
| 15:18.18 | Bounty | Find 8 barrels of explosives :) |
| 15:18.47 | JademusSreg | Objective 2, don't freeze to death. |
| 15:18.52 | Bounty | lol no |
| 15:19.01 | Bounty | Objective 2 you will have to rescue someone from the lab |
| 15:19.07 | Bounty | and bring them back to the start |
| 15:20.28 | Claymuffin | Anybody know why setting a unit resource as terazine give it mineral AND gas at the same time? Shouldn't it be terazine that is actually harvested from it? Thats really weird |
| 15:23.26 | Claymuffin | also, is there nay way to make a resource unit model face a random angle upon cration? Just like a marine do? |
| 15:23.33 | Claymuffin | any way* |
| 15:24.13 | JademusSreg | It needs to be able to turn. |
| 15:24.28 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure there is a flag for that. |
| 15:24.30 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 15:27.47 | Touk | Jade Alive |
| 15:27.49 | Touk | hide |
| 15:27.59 | Claymuffin | flag turnable |
| 15:28.59 | Claymuffin | But it still does not give them a random rotation upon birth |
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| 15:37.09 | Claymuffin | Still can,t find what responsible for the random angle |
| 15:37.24 | Claymuffin | Might work around this with trigger for now |
| 15:37.46 | JademusSreg | EditorFlags |
| 15:37.55 | JademusSreg | Disable NoAutoRotate |
| 15:38.46 | JademusSreg | Unit data, btw |
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| 15:45.21 | Kueken | 'ello |
| 15:46.22 | JademusSreg | Hi thar. |
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| 15:49.57 | Zolden | Kueken: hey |
| 15:53.06 | JademusSreg | entertains amusing ideas. |
| 15:53.38 | Kueken | do the ideas have fun? |
| 15:53.50 | JademusSreg | A shocking amount. |
| 15:54.35 | gooose | jade did you look at my projectile? |
| 15:54.43 | gooose | hi kueken :) |
| 15:54.45 | JademusSreg | I have not. |
| 15:55.15 | JademusSreg | I'm confident Kueken can take the bullet. And make it fly correctly, that is. |
| 15:55.37 | Claymuffin | I added the "can rotate" flag to the editor flag. Still not placing my resource with a random angle on the map |
| 15:55.39 | Kueken | pulls off a matrix-style evasion |
| 15:56.18 | Kueken | Claymuffin: did you uncheck the "Turnable" flag? |
| 15:56.20 | JademusSreg | Remember, the editor has been made stupid now. =D |
| 15:57.55 | Kueken | oh, Jade, I still owe you a demo map, right? |
| 15:58.25 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 15:59.49 | gooose | well kueken i atached the 2 projectile variants that were the closest to what i want in my pm |
| 16:00.25 | gooose | now you both have them :) |
| 16:00.56 | JademusSreg | Clay, it seems like Turnable and !NoAutoRotate together should allow it to turn. Try movable? |
| 16:01.14 | JademusSreg | Erm, Movable false, TurnRate and StationaryTurnRate > 0 |
| 16:03.37 | Claymuffin | they were at the default 720 |
| 16:03.54 | JademusSreg | Movable unflagged? |
| 16:04.08 | Claymuffin | gimmy 2 sec, testing |
| 16:04.18 | Kueken | just tried |
| 16:04.24 | Kueken | appears to be the footprint |
| 16:04.43 | JademusSreg | But there are plenty of units with footprints that can turn oh wait. |
| 16:04.46 | Kueken | default minerals, check turnable and change the footprint -> works |
| 16:04.53 | JademusSreg | Symmetrical footprints. |
| 16:04.59 | Kueken | yes |
| 16:05.17 | Kueken | changing the turnable flag alone did nothing |
| 16:05.35 | Kueken | it didn't even accept the values entered in the rotation field |
| 16:05.43 | Kueken | always set angle to 270 |
| 16:05.50 | Kueken | changed footprint -> works |
| 16:05.51 | JademusSreg | Yeah, makes sense. Structures are more limited in how they may apply footprints. |
| 16:06.18 | Kueken | the mineral footprint seems even more restrictive |
| 16:06.30 | Kueken | or at least equally so |
| 16:06.39 | Claymuffin | So just give it a new footprint i guess |
| 16:06.50 | Claymuffin | standard 1x1 should do it |
| 16:07.13 | JademusSreg | Only has one axis of symmetry, and rotatable structures need 2, which is to say same x y. |
| 16:07.33 | Kueken | careful, the footprints have some influence for the mineral fields |
| 16:07.54 | Claymuffin | True, but I don,t need that influence anyway :) |
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| 16:08.04 | Kueken | using a 1x1 footprint might enable you to place a main building right next to it |
| 16:08.10 | Kueken | okay |
| 16:08.12 | Claymuffin | I already toyed with footprints a couple of days ago, I figured a bit how it work |
| 16:09.19 | Claymuffin | bam |
| 16:09.21 | Claymuffin | nailed it |
| 16:09.27 | Claymuffin | Oh the feeling |
| 16:09.30 | Claymuffin | :) |
| 16:11.43 | Claymuffin | Is Onetwo still on mapster sometime? He did not updated any youtube video in a year |
| 16:11.50 | Claymuffin | must be gone I guess |
| 16:12.24 | Claymuffin | I used to like to play his map, the cat and mice remake was sweet and simple |
| 16:12.55 | JademusSreg | I was sad his maps lacked polish given his knowledge. |
| 16:13.06 | JademusSreg | However, it's easy to understand time constraints. |
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| 16:15.54 | Claymuffin | He seemed rather pissed by the pop system, that migth be what made him stop investing time into the editor |
| 16:19.24 | JademusSreg | HM. |
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| 16:20.47 | JademusSreg | So a new data type appeared recently, in 2.0.4. It's called ActorSupport. |
| 16:21.06 | Dustin|Work | What's it do! |
| 16:21.12 | JademusSreg | Nothing. |
| 16:21.15 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 16:21.16 | Dustin|Work | Lame! |
| 16:21.37 | JademusSreg | It's in every standard mod, and they are all empty. |
| 16:21.42 | Zolden | what about 2.0.7? anyone saw any patch notes? |
| 16:21.46 | JademusSreg | Not available in the editor, either. |
| 16:21.50 | Zolden | or discovered anything? |
| 16:21.57 | JademusSreg | 2.0.7 broke people's shit. |
| 16:22.04 | JademusSreg | But I haven't mined the client yet. |
| 16:22.43 | Zolden | wel, it would worth mentioning if it wouldn't brake people's shit |
| 16:22.57 | JademusSreg | It broke my goddamn elevator. |
| 16:23.28 | Zolden | is it elven elevator? |
| 16:23.39 | Zolden | i heard it mostly break elven stuff |
| 16:23.43 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 16:24.03 | JademusSreg | It's something about how unit positions are updated. |
| 16:24.06 | twodie | G0A posted link to changes list. Its somewhere in 2.0.4 patch notes, HotS release stuff |
| 16:24.18 | JademusSreg | Now raising a walkable plane doesn't force units up. =\ |
| 16:24.31 | Zolden | is it elevator without physics and behaviors? |
| 16:24.33 | JademusSreg | Something else must force the update. |
| 16:24.41 | Dustin|Work | That's stupid Jade |
| 16:24.43 | Dustin|Work | Bitch at em |
| 16:24.47 | JademusSreg | Else it passes through them until they move. |
| 16:25.11 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 16:25.34 | JademusSreg | I suspect it's something more obscure, possibly something I can fix. |
| 16:26.17 | JademusSreg | Probably something silly like the plane must accept flyer guides or some shit. |
| 16:27.21 | twodie | JademusSreg what you had in mind with the walls segmenets to merge way? Cause i thought now my choise will take forever to make for every choise possible of connecting to surrounding pieces of walls |
| 16:27.51 | JademusSreg | Basically, powers of two. |
| 16:28.04 | twodie | what does it mean? |
| 16:28.05 | JademusSreg | You make a version of each wall in powers of two. |
| 16:28.15 | JademusSreg | The basic 1*1 you can build. |
| 16:28.54 | JademusSreg | A 2*1, 4*1, 8*1, et cetera. However many you need to support. |
| 16:29.52 | JademusSreg | And when a wall segment of one tier detects an adjacent wall of the same tier, they combine to form the next tier segment. |
| 16:30.27 | twodie | do you have in mind taht the wall is destroyable? |
| 16:30.36 | twodie | http://snag.gy/50QaZ.jpg |
| 16:30.46 | JademusSreg | Yes, but you only specified that they should combine into a unit. |
| 16:31.02 | twodie | yes |
| 16:31.09 | twodie | to reduce the numbers of them on the map |
| 16:31.14 | JademusSreg | Precisely. |
| 16:31.23 | JademusSreg | Thus, powers of 2. |
| 16:32.35 | JademusSreg | What's the maximum size you'd want a single unit to be? |
| 16:32.50 | twodie | 2-3 |
| 16:33.15 | Zolden | twodie-threedie |
| 16:33.21 | JademusSreg | As in segments? |
| 16:33.36 | JademusSreg | Or tiers? |
| 16:33.51 | JademusSreg | Total cells? |
| 16:34.03 | twodie | 2x2 3x3 or 3x1 2x1 |
| 16:34.36 | JademusSreg | Better make it 2 or 4, since 3 isn't a power of 2. |
| 16:35.07 | JademusSreg | But it's very simple to work out, fortunately, and they could do it themselves without triggers. |
| 16:35.09 | twodie | ok lets say 2, |
| 16:35.58 | JademusSreg | So when two individual wall segments are beside one another, they will become a single 2*1 wall segment unit. Sound about right? |
| 16:36.07 | twodie | y |
| 16:36.22 | JademusSreg | And you don't want it to go any further than that, correct? |
| 16:36.46 | JademusSreg | I mean, you don't want players building entire foundations with them? |
| 16:36.49 | twodie | still, do you concerned the footprints? Ground and On the building walking |
| 16:37.08 | JademusSreg | Clarify. |
| 16:37.22 | JademusSreg | I don't understand what you mean to ask. |
| 16:39.17 | twodie | now unit can go through the building by moving on top of the building, if footprint have http://snag.gy/o372D.jpg |
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| 16:39.50 | twodie | it would be like diffrenet platforms to walk on |
| 16:40.08 | twodie | the one of segements of walls combined, and the normal ground |
| 16:40.11 | JademusSreg | Well, this reminds me of the "choose any two" aphorisms. |
| 16:42.05 | Claymuffin | Is a workaround still required to change resource icon? |
| 16:42.14 | twodie | no |
| 16:42.25 | twodie | you need to go to game data tab |
| 16:42.39 | twodie | game UI data |
| 16:42.52 | twodie | UI: Resources +(Icons/General/Gold04.dds|Icons/General/Wood02.dds|Icons/General/Iron03.dds|UI/ResourceIconNoBackground3):(Icons/General/Gold04.dds|Icons/General/Wood02.dds|Icons/General/Iron03.dds|UI/ResourceIcon3):(Gold|Wood|Iron|Iron) |
| 16:43.11 | JademusSreg | It can be modular, it can be simple, and it can apply footprints aware of its surroundings, but it can't be all three. |
| 16:43.50 | twodie | well |
| 16:43.52 | JademusSreg | Well, in this case, modular is intended to mean the modules can click together to reduce workload. =D |
| 16:43.54 | twodie | i think it can |
| 16:44.12 | JademusSreg | Alright. You can build these on top of one another, right? |
| 16:44.24 | JademusSreg | To make awesome walls and castles and whatever? |
| 16:44.45 | twodie | you cant build walls on top of each other |
| 16:44.50 | twodie | footprint doesnt allow it |
| 16:45.00 | JademusSreg | So make them allow it? |
| 16:45.29 | twodie | but we could make it upgradable to higher height model |
| 16:46.02 | JademusSreg | Thus, the "choose any two". You can have all the features you want at the expense of simplicity. |
| 16:47.18 | twodie | the biggest thing what i need from it is to make Siege towers that allows units to pass through the walls to other side |
| 16:47.42 | twodie | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/37/646/WallSiege.jpg |
| 16:48.19 | JademusSreg | Oh, is that all? =D |
| 16:49.05 | JademusSreg | What is your design for it? |
| 16:49.12 | JademusSreg | Let's see how feasible it is. |
| 16:49.27 | twodie | plan |
| 16:49.28 | twodie | http://snag.gy/vMZEx.jpg |
| 16:49.48 | twodie | siege tower attachs and lets units to go through the other side |
| 16:49.57 | twodie | no matter how long the wall segements are |
| 16:50.14 | JademusSreg | So it's a bore? But it doesn't destroy anything? |
| 16:50.23 | JademusSreg | Or is it a sapper? |
| 16:50.43 | JademusSreg | Describe how it should look to the player. =D |
| 16:51.33 | twodie | in my drawing plan from the left side its siege tower on the walls, then units go on top of the walls straight line to other side of the walls |
| 16:52.05 | JademusSreg | So you want them to climb the siege tower to scale the walls? |
| 16:52.21 | twodie | scale? |
| 16:52.31 | JademusSreg | Scale as in climb up. |
| 16:53.51 | JademusSreg | I don't mean to ask how it looks currently, or how it has been drawn, but rather how it should appear in an idealized version of the gameplay you can imagine. |
| 16:53.54 | twodie | yeah, i guess i want the units to go to siege tower, then on all walls segements to the other side of the siege tower plancement to |
| 16:56.01 | JademusSreg | All the siege tower would need to do for units to climb it is have a walkable plane, and either override the wall's obstructing footprint with a new one or suppress the wall's footprint. |
| 16:57.38 | JademusSreg | And since Boosted Height and Boosted Cliff Level features were added recently-ish, if you wanted the invaders to leap down off the walls, they could do that, with a simple enough validation of that the target is lower in height and with a launch missile effect to launch the unit itself. |
| 16:57.43 | twodie | http://snag.gy/21VD2.jpg |
| 16:58.33 | twodie | ok so it can be done only data wise? |
| 16:59.02 | JademusSreg | It can, assuming we don't completely misunderstand one another in a comical way. |
| 16:59.12 | twodie | okay |
| 17:00.28 | twodie | so how about those override the footprints of walls ability, effect would need to be created? |
| 17:00.40 | twodie | or even models changes |
| 17:01.38 | JademusSreg | You could have the siege tower create a unit with no draw that applies a new footprint. |
| 17:02.00 | JademusSreg | You can suppress the footprint of the wall segement it is near. |
| 17:02.33 | JademusSreg | Or units could simply be launched from it with a launch missile effect, and say fuck all to pathing, zoooooom. |
| 17:03.09 | Claymuffin | Got a new thing here |
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| 17:03.53 | Claymuffin | When I set my custom resource unit harvested resources to terrazine, it make my scv gather mineral AND gas at the same time |
| 17:03.58 | Claymuffin | wtf with that? |
| 17:04.14 | JademusSreg | The player has the Terrazine resource enabled? |
| 17:04.41 | JademusSreg | Sorry, the race. |
| 17:04.56 | help1_ | hey |
| 17:05.00 | JademusSreg | Races define which resources they may use. |
| 17:05.10 | help1_ | swarm host in campaign |
| 17:05.16 | twodie | JademusSreg how about dirrection at which unit will start to moprh and will replace the footprints of units in which dirrection he is facing. |
| 17:05.16 | help1_ | how do i add rally |
| 17:05.29 | help1_ | if i add rally, the eggs fly |
| 17:05.34 | JademusSreg | Twodie, yeah, that's doable. |
| 17:05.54 | JademusSreg | Rather like switching between two modes, like a siege tank, haha. |
| 17:06.16 | Claymuffin | yes terran plyer wil be default and terrazine has been enabeled |
| 17:06.21 | Claymuffin | brb 2 sec |
| 17:06.36 | twodie | plus the different footprint facing itself, the footprint would be like tunnel to one side, left and right or top and bottom enetrances |
| 17:07.31 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that sounds entirely doable. Though you may need a few versions to support the different siege tower to wall orientations. |
| 17:08.21 | help1_ | Campaign swarm hosts |
| 17:08.32 | help1_ | how do i make them use rally properly? |
| 17:10.12 | JademusSreg | They already do? |
| 17:10.18 | twodie | Cool, no clue how to do any of things to make the walkable tunnel available. Orenations detection, then footrpints to apply etc. |
| 17:10.20 | help1_ | swarm hosts in campaign |
| 17:10.23 | help1_ | they dont have rally. |
| 17:10.29 | help1_ | if i add rally |
| 17:10.35 | help1_ | eggs fly |
| 17:10.41 | help1_ | locusts dont work properly |
| 17:10.43 | JademusSreg | Awesome/. |
| 17:10.58 | JademusSreg | Look at the not-campaign version for reference. |
| 17:11.11 | help1_ | i really don't understand it |
| 17:11.28 | help1_ | multiplayer version works fine |
| 17:11.48 | help1_ | but i dont understand how to make rally work |
| 17:13.01 | help1_ | 'anyone tried this? adding rally in campaign? |
| 17:13.47 | help1_ | hello |
| 17:13.54 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 17:14.22 | JademusSreg | Observe how the not-campaign Swarm Host rally works. |
| 17:14.37 | JademusSreg | Once you understand it, only then will you be able to implement it. |
| 17:14.59 | Claymuffin | Jade |
| 17:15.21 | Claymuffin | I use the terran race as my custom race |
| 17:15.37 | JademusSreg | Terrazine is enabled? |
| 17:15.50 | help1_ | i dont understand how they work even if i observe there |
| 17:15.52 | Claymuffin | terazzine was enabled, I can see the resource |
| 17:16.12 | Claymuffin | I even changed the name of the resource UI and it's icon |
| 17:16.33 | JademusSreg | Alright. Is it a custom harvester? Or only a custom resource? |
| 17:16.36 | Claymuffin | the only thing missing the scv actually gathering the right resource |
| 17:16.46 | Claymuffin | only a custom resource for now |
| 17:17.00 | JademusSreg | Alright. Pastebin the behavior. |
| 17:18.13 | Claymuffin | which one actually |
| 17:18.34 | Claymuffin | the carry behav or the one that specify the amount of resource harvested? |
| 17:18.39 | JademusSreg | Any related to the resource. |
| 17:19.12 | help1_ | both are same really |
| 17:19.25 | help1_ | look at the effects. both are precursor |
| 17:19.40 | help1_ | but campaign unit can't use rally |
| 17:19.42 | Claymuffin | http://pastebin.com/aiSNBt8w |
| 17:19.43 | help1_ | eggs fly |
| 17:20.28 | Claymuffin | both behavior got exactly the same xml |
| 17:21.07 | Claymuffin | Oh I understand |
| 17:21.24 | Claymuffin | when you ask for xml they give you the whole catalog |
| 17:21.31 | Claymuffin | so here are both of them in the same pastebin |
| 17:21.55 | JademusSreg | The resource behavior does not specify the type of resource it contains. |
| 17:22.41 | Claymuffin | I was searching for it |
| 17:22.44 | help1_ | campaign swarm host has more effects but it has same effects, behaviors like melee |
| 17:22.50 | Claymuffin | seem it'S only the unit that specefy it |
| 17:22.53 | help1_ | i dont understand it |
| 17:22.57 | help1_ | anyone knows? |
| 17:24.04 | Cardanis | Does anyone know if there's a resource/map that contains all the models in the game? Something that could be loaded up so I could easily look for inspiration without having to load models one by one in the editor? |
| 17:24.32 | Dustin|Work | Nopee |
| 17:24.40 | Dustin|Work | You'll have to go through each onei n the cutscene editor |
| 17:25.02 | help1_ | anyone knows how to make swarm hosts work with rally in campaign? |
| 17:25.07 | JademusSreg | Er. |
| 17:25.37 | JademusSreg | Alt `, browse command in the console, .m3 in the search filter. |
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| 17:27.28 | Claymuffin | Harvesting terrazine does not give me terrazine, but mineral AND gas... Thats quite weird |
| 17:27.39 | JademusSreg | Clay, unit xml? |
| 17:28.13 | Claymuffin | http://pastebin.com/YSPy2GCc |
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| 17:29.20 | Claymuffin | crap i closed the irc by mistake |
| 17:29.23 | Claymuffin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.29 | Claymuffin | it should be fine |
| 17:29.38 | Claymuffin | but where do I specify what terrazine is |
| 17:29.42 | Claymuffin | that seem to be the problem |
| 17:29.53 | gooose | is it impossible to create game variants and set player properties?? i cant upload my map if i do |
| 17:30.01 | JademusSreg | Alright. SCV, right? |
| 17:30.09 | Claymuffin | It seem to interpret it as mineral and gas. ya |
| 17:30.11 | Claymuffin | scv |
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| 17:30.31 | Claymuffin | Scv is still vintage, nothing changed |
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| 17:30.49 | Claymuffin | I will eventually, but for now it'S still core |
| 17:33.44 | JademusSreg | How much? |
| 17:33.56 | JademusSreg | How much of the other two resources does it return> |
| 17:35.00 | gooose | jade? |
| 17:35.01 | Claymuffin | 10 mineral and 3 gas |
| 17:35.14 | Claymuffin | I set 10 mineral in the behavior instead of 5 |
| 17:35.19 | Claymuffin | thats the only change I made |
| 17:35.20 | Claymuffin | and |
| 17:35.24 | gooose | Upload Error: 4/3/2013 7:10 PM, Unknown [3248] (C:\ProgramData\Blizzard Entertainment\Battle.net\Cache\TMP\604199F46776BD3EFE4633C072ECDC21FB00ED277A74178702404C1B932606FFEE3224108EBA0DA0) |
| 17:35.38 | gooose | i get that when i try to upload my map with a custom game mode |
| 17:35.45 | Claymuffin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.07 | JademusSreg | Did you save, Goo? |
| 17:36.14 | gooose | yea ofc |
| 17:36.33 | gooose | i m un upload screen i dont get there unless i saved beforehand |
| 17:36.49 | gooose | it works if i remove player properties and game variants |
| 17:37.02 | JademusSreg | Hm. How old is the map? |
| 17:37.21 | JademusSreg | Ah, there was a new patch. You may need to update first. |
| 17:37.31 | gooose | i did update |
| 17:37.47 | JademusSreg | In that case, the update broke everything. |
| 17:37.47 | gooose | i m logged into starcraft 2 and can play my map |
| 17:38.05 | gooose | but i wasnt able to upload the variants et |
| 17:38.31 | JademusSreg | But honestly, I'm not familiar with that particular error. |
| 17:39.55 | JademusSreg | Clay, I wasn't aware multiple resources were supported. =D |
| 17:40.08 | JademusSreg | In the sense that a single unit could be a source for several. |
| 17:42.10 | gooose | oh jade it was the first time i tried to publish something |
| 17:42.47 | Claymuffin | So thats quite a nice discovery |
| 17:42.51 | Claymuffin | or a gruesome bug |
| 17:43.21 | Claymuffin | Did you found how it was handled? |
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| 17:44.12 | JademusSreg | Nope. I wonder if perhaps some index values have been changed... |
| 17:45.20 | Claymuffin | What I'm thinking is that you can probably set somewhere what a resource is worth |
| 17:46.42 | Claymuffin | found it |
| 17:46.44 | Claymuffin | hahaha |
| 17:46.48 | Claymuffin | blam |
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| 17:47.10 | Claymuffin | gameplay data |
| 17:47.12 | Claymuffin | stats |
| 17:47.19 | Claymuffin | resources convertion |
| 17:47.33 | Claymuffin | it set 1 terrazine as 1 mineral + 0.333 gas |
| 17:47.56 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 17:48.05 | JademusSreg | Nice find,. |
| 17:48.14 | Claymuffin | they might have done this by default so people actually see it |
| 17:48.23 | Claymuffin | discover it eventually |
| 17:50.05 | Claymuffin | Finally, tackling the last thing on my custom resource |
| 17:50.20 | Claymuffin | having the scv carry a custom model instead of a mineral shard |
| 17:50.31 | Claymuffin | then it's done |
| 18:00.32 | Claymuffin | IT'S WORKING |
| 18:00.49 | sharf | can I somehow have a damage effect get it's amount from another effect? |
| 18:01.33 | Claymuffin | My greatest accomplishment so far, something that's NOT broken AND actually finished |
| 18:02.19 | Claymuffin | Let me go grab a bottle of Cava |
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| 18:13.54 | Claymuffin | ok |
| 18:13.57 | Claymuffin | see you later guys |
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| 18:18.53 | Taintedwisp | ~seen Triceron |
| 18:18.54 | purl | triceron <1854e5d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.84.229.210> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 11d 12h 14m 29s ago, saying: 'dun do it, it's a trap!'. |
| 18:19.13 | sharf | tainted |
| 18:20.48 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 18:20.51 | Taintedwisp | whatcha need? |
| 18:24.11 | Taintedwisp | sharf whatcha need? |
| 18:26.50 | sharf | 01can I somehow have a damage effect get it's amount from another effect?01 |
| 18:26.53 | sharf | sorry |
| 18:26.56 | sharf | wasnt looking |
| 18:27.28 | Taintedwisp | ? what you mean for what purpose? |
| 18:27.40 | Taintedwisp | you can modify its amount through behaviors |
| 18:27.47 | sharf | well |
| 18:28.04 | sharf | I have a spell that I want to do the same damage as the unit's attack, but I need to have a seperate damage effect |
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| 18:28.09 | sharf | and if I change the damage base |
| 18:28.19 | sharf | tI don't want to have to change the spell damage effect |
| 18:28.25 | sharf | I will if I have to though |
| 18:28.34 | Taintedwisp | why do you need to have a seperate damage effect? |
| 18:29.23 | sharf | because I need the search area in the one damage effect |
| 18:29.36 | Taintedwisp | oh |
| 18:29.44 | Taintedwisp | if you have to remove that search area, and create a search area effect |
| 18:29.56 | Taintedwisp | that would leave the damage effect open |
| 18:29.57 | sharf | I cna't |
| 18:30.14 | Dustin|Work | Sharf, explain your whole ability hierachy of effects |
| 18:30.22 | Taintedwisp | yeah because I dont quite understand |
| 18:30.22 | sharf | lol |
| 18:30.31 | Taintedwisp | just tell me what you want the ability to do |
| 18:30.52 | sharf | to do what I want, a search effect doesn't work, because I need the damage dealt in the searched area, to be fractiona |
| 18:30.54 | sharf | l |
| 18:31.06 | sharf | I can only get that by using the damage effects' area+ |
| 18:31.11 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 18:31.23 | Taintedwisp | dude. |
| 18:31.33 | Taintedwisp | You can make it fractional without using hte search area on the damage effect |
| 18:31.34 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 18:31.45 | Taintedwisp | I know because all of my damage effects are fractional |
| 18:31.48 | sharf | not in the way I want, at least not that we could figure out |
| 18:32.27 | Taintedwisp | Ahh I see |
| 18:32.39 | Taintedwisp | Your wanting it to work like the siege tanks |
| 18:32.44 | Taintedwisp | Where the further out the unit is the less damage it takes |
| 18:32.45 | Taintedwisp | correct? |
| 18:32.48 | sharf | no |
| 18:33.04 | sharf | it's because I had to do recycling |
| 18:33.17 | Taintedwisp | then just use the vital fraction maximum + field and use a search area effect |
| 18:34.09 | sharf | ? |
| 18:34.14 | Taintedwisp | Here I made this a few weeks ago, feel free to use it as a basis for data editor work, so that you can see how things are correctly linked and such, it also has bout 9 completed heroes (some have bugged abilities, and the veterency in the mod is bugged) |
| 18:34.14 | Taintedwisp | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/93971126/Ultimate%20Frenzy%20Mod.SC2Mod |
| 18:34.50 | Taintedwisp | your free to use the abilities but dont ripoff my heroes |
| 18:35.00 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/jyesmBB.png |
| 18:35.02 | Taintedwisp | see that field |
| 18:35.03 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 18:35.24 | sharf | that will take a fractional amount of the their hp |
| 18:35.27 | sharf | I don't want that |
| 18:35.54 | Taintedwisp | then what ar eyou wanting? |
| 18:36.07 | sharf | the effect I am accomplishing |
| 18:36.20 | sharf | is X damage divided evenly among all units in target area |
| 18:36.24 | Taintedwisp | do you want the damage at the epicenter to be strongest and the outisde to be weaker, or do you want all units in a raidus to loose the same fraction of thier health |
| 18:36.29 | sharf | so 100 damage does 10 damage to 10 units |
| 18:37.19 | Taintedwisp | oh |
| 18:37.20 | Zolden | Taintedwisp: for how lond do you work on your map? a year? |
| 18:37.20 | Taintedwisp | I work on it in short burst zoldne |
| 18:37.21 | Taintedwisp | I will work for 2-3 months then take 2-4 month breaks |
| 18:37.36 | Taintedwisp | Its been in production for 1 1/2 years, but i have probably worke don uit for 4-6 months total |
| 18:37.39 | Zolden | i only take 2-4 month between maps |
| 18:37.50 | Taintedwisp | I produce higher quality though :_) |
| 18:38.00 | Zolden | yea, u're mapping god |
| 18:38.16 | Taintedwisp | lol, you make custom models though so yours are pretty cool too |
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| 19:20.57 | Kueken | not as far aas I know, no |
| 19:21.13 | Cardanis | Dustin, isn't that one just a Dawn of War clone? |
| 19:21.20 | Dustin|Work | I think so |
| 19:21.25 | Dustin|Work | I only played it once. |
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| 19:24.24 | Taintedwisp | sharf_ leave now |
| 19:24.28 | Taintedwisp | GET OUTTA HERE |
| 19:24.30 | Taintedwisp | !!!!! |
| 19:24.32 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 19:24.42 | Taintedwisp | thats right |
| 19:25.54 | Cardanis | lol |
| 19:26.52 | Taintedwisp | hmmm |
| 19:27.08 | Taintedwisp | I wrote a long ass page of broken shit in my map -_-, then I forgot to save it before closing it... |
| 19:27.10 | Cardanis | So earlier I was asking if there was a map that had all the models in it, so it'd be easy to see what there was. Is that feasible to do? Or would it be too big to run? |
| 19:27.29 | Taintedwisp | if you did it in a mod you might be able to do it |
| 19:27.49 | Taintedwisp | but ONLY unit and building models |
| 19:27.59 | Taintedwisp | no textures, no doodads |
| 19:28.15 | Taintedwisp | and I dunno how many warhammer races there are |
| 19:28.17 | Cardanis | Maybe do a separate map for only doodads, etc? |
| 19:28.26 | Taintedwisp | that mod would take all your accounts space |
| 19:29.07 | Cardanis | Oh, I don't mean for the Warhammer map, I just meant as a mapping resource. I find going through the scene editor and looking at one model at a time to be rather tedious |
| 19:30.00 | Taintedwisp | ohh. |
| 19:30.17 | Taintedwisp | Yeah that would be a bit of triggering work to make a model viewer in game, but could be dont in prob less then 5 mb map |
| 19:30.39 | Taintedwisp | I thought you were talking about importing all warhammer stuff |
| 19:30.40 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 19:31.45 | Cardanis | hahaha, nope. I'm intending to build all the units out of standard sc2 models. Feels more fun that way. |
| 19:32.18 | Taintedwisp | ah okie |
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| 19:34.44 | Kueken | then you cannot even use the Baneblade ;) |
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| 19:36.29 | sharf_ | ok...my text editor preview isn't showing up anymore, any ideas? |
| 19:37.45 | Dustin|Work | There's a box you gotta check to get it to show |
| 19:37.52 | sharf | it is showing |
| 19:37.53 | Dustin|Work | But it's probably hidden to the right |
| 19:37.54 | sharf | but |
| 19:38.03 | sharf | there is no text displaying anymore |
| 19:38.10 | Dustin|Work | Weird, take a SS |
| 19:42.12 | sharf | http://snag.gy/CbSLt.jpg |
| 19:43.01 | Dustin|Work | Oh wow, never seen that happen |
| 19:43.08 | Dustin|Work | Might wanna save and restart the editor |
| 19:43.13 | sharf | yeah |
| 19:43.16 | sharf | done it several times |
| 19:43.17 | sharf | no fix |
| 19:43.26 | sharf | is there a cache I can delete and redownload perhaps |
| 19:43.33 | Dustin|Work | No idea |
| 19:56.11 | Taintedwisp | hmmmm |
| 19:57.34 | sharf | ahah! |
| 19:57.58 | sharf | the text is there |
| 19:58.08 | sharf | the text's default color is just grey not white... |
| 19:58.10 | sharf | for some reason |
| 19:58.11 | Taintedwisp | goes and obliterates sharfs text |
| 19:58.14 | sharf | somehow it got changed |
| 19:59.24 | Dustin|Work | Lol that's funny sharf |
| 20:00.47 | sharf | I have no idea how to fix it though |
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| 20:10.24 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 20:11.18 | JademusSreg | Seems 2.0.7 is all kinds of fucked up. |
| 20:12.28 | Taintedwisp | yup |
| 20:12.36 | Taintedwisp | I wrote a thread titles, So fail 2.0.7 |
| 20:12.36 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:12.42 | Taintedwisp | I cant even fucking alt tab in game anymore -_- |
| 20:12.59 | Taintedwisp | they didnt fix the arcade drop issue, nor the Performance drop issue |
| 20:13.08 | Taintedwisp | they fixed a bunch of minor shit] |
| 20:13.13 | Taintedwisp | over hte course of 3 weeks |
| 20:13.16 | Kueken | there is a new patch? |
| 20:13.20 | JademusSreg | I especially enjoy the ridiculous new bugs. |
| 20:13.23 | Kueken | *downloading* |
| 20:13.27 | JademusSreg | Yeah, dropped late last night. |
| 20:13.58 | JademusSreg | Dropped as would excrement into a toilet. |
| 20:14.04 | Taintedwisp | great now I cant even fucking log in.. |
| 20:14.20 | Kueken | so its going to break my maps? |
| 20:14.34 | Taintedwisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.00 | JademusSreg | I've heard bugs across the board for this patch. |
| 20:15.08 | JademusSreg | Especially editor issues. |
| 20:15.14 | Kueken | thumbs up |
| 20:15.32 | Kueken | maybe I shouldn't download it, for now my editor still works |
| 20:15.37 | JademusSreg | Which reminds me of A1's issue earlier. |
| 20:16.04 | Taintedwisp | ..... |
| 20:16.06 | JademusSreg | https://twitter.com/A1win/status/319420885645803520 |
| 20:16.07 | Taintedwisp | its freakina nnoying |
| 20:16.22 | Taintedwisp | lol those arent bugs |
| 20:16.26 | Taintedwisp | Theres more then just hydralisk |
| 20:16.34 | Taintedwisp | if you get disconnected online it says horner now |
| 20:16.44 | Taintedwisp | I think it was a April fools joke, that they forgot to remove |
| 20:17.08 | JademusSreg | Sounds more like its grabbing the wrong localized text values. |
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| 20:18.15 | Kueken | patch is downloading with astonishing speed |
| 20:18.20 | JademusSreg | And apparently one is required to save before testing, or it doesn't read the changes. |
| 20:18.22 | Kueken | slightly slower than isdn |
| 20:19.34 | Zolden | Kueken: did germany get rid of snow everywhere? |
| 20:20.01 | Taintedwisp | -_- |
| 20:20.01 | Kueken | sun was shining yesterday, not much snow left |
| 20:20.08 | Taintedwisp | Well they did a hotfix.. |
| 20:20.15 | Taintedwisp | but it didnt fucking helpt he alt tab problem |
| 20:20.30 | Zolden | Taintedwisp: hotsfix after 2.0.7? |
| 20:20.41 | JademusSreg | I had a fun in-game bug where arrow keys didn't scroll. =D |
| 20:20.43 | Taintedwisp | Yeah they patched to 2.0.7 yestyerday, there was just now a patch |
| 20:23.50 | JademusSreg | "(An additional component to this fix will be applied in a future patch, which will properly grant credit immediately upon fulfilling achievement requirements.)" |
| 20:24.07 | JademusSreg | Don't recall that being there before. |
| 20:24.50 | JademusSreg | Oh man, fun comments. |
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| 20:25.08 | JademusSreg | "Id like to bring this to blizz's attention, since this patch control groups in the liberty campaign don't work." Awesome. |
| 20:25.26 | sharf | omfg |
| 20:25.27 | sharf | wtf |
| 20:26.12 | Kueken | sounds like they seriously fucked up their file system or something |
| 20:26.20 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 20:26.54 | Kueken | I will cancel my download, I like my editor useable :) |
| 20:27.49 | JademusSreg | Read a number of incidents involving changing ids for, say, a model, and the editor completely shits itself with null model for actor, blah blah. |
| 20:28.22 | Kueken | that could potentially affect maps permanently |
| 20:28.26 | Kueken | :/ |
| 20:28.49 | JademusSreg | Naw, fortunately that bug is only cosmetic. |
| 20:28.57 | Kueken | :) |
| 20:29.06 | JademusSreg | But it lends support to your speculation. |
| 20:29.22 | Kueken | I had similar issues in the beta, where changing certain text values could affect the core game files :D |
| 20:29.28 | Kueken | got fixed eventually |
| 20:29.32 | JademusSreg | I remember those. |
| 20:29.34 | JademusSreg | Hahah |
| 20:31.01 | JademusSreg | ' Can't enter Americas server: "Login error: Executor" ' |
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| 20:34.37 | JademusSreg | Time to data mine. |
| 20:36.20 | Dustin|Work | Data Minecraft |
| 20:36.28 | JademusSreg | Nice. |
| 20:36.32 | JademusSreg | Niiiice. |
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| 20:36.56 | JademusSreg | hopes for more references to in-dev content. |
| 20:37.36 | Dustin|Work | hehe |
| 20:38.07 | JademusSreg | I'll start with the client, because mass extraction takes a while. |
| 20:39.18 | Cardanis | What're you working on? |
| 20:39.41 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 20:40.39 | Dustin|Work | He's Minecrafting the HOTS Data |
| 20:41.07 | JademusSreg | Already did that. I |
| 20:41.17 | Dustin|Work | Sooo I just found out the other day someone was able to get writing to a file working in WC3: TFT |
| 20:41.19 | Cardanis | Watch out for creepers |
| 20:41.19 | JademusSreg | I'm just seeing if the client has any new treats. |
| 20:41.50 | JademusSreg | Dustin, I know where you're going with that. |
| 20:42.02 | Dustin|Work | I don't know how they did it, but I was playing TKoK and when I saved it saved my password in a text file, blew my mind. |
| 20:42.24 | Dustin|Work | Cause I tried so hard to find a better save method when I was working with WC3 lol |
| 20:42.29 | JademusSreg | That's potentially unsettling. |
| 20:43.00 | JademusSreg | Remember what happened with the return bug? |
| 20:43.07 | Dustin|Work | https://pastee.org/4xpyk |
| 20:43.19 | Dustin|Work | Yeah that was a big deal |
| 20:43.42 | Dustin|Work | Looks like they found some bug or something in the preloadfiles function |
| 20:44.13 | Kueken | yes, it was potentially just as dangerous as returnbug |
| 20:44.26 | Kueken | yet Blizzard never did anything about it |
| 20:44.43 | JademusSreg | Nothing was done until the cat was out of the bag. |
| 20:44.46 | Kueken | it was even easier to use |
| 20:45.07 | Taintedwisp | I gotta find some good 4v4 partners -_- |
| 20:45.15 | JademusSreg | Some of us were aware of the issue for a while, and managed to keep it under wraps for a while to protect the functionality. |
| 20:45.16 | Kueken | well, the preload abuses were made public literally days after they fixed returnbug |
| 20:45.17 | Taintedwisp | Fucking noobs screw me over every tiem |
| 20:45.40 | Taintedwisp | GET A CUCKING TURRET< CANNON OR SPORE BEHIND YOUR FUCKING MINERAL LINE YOU MORONS!!!! |
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| 20:45.50 | Dustin|Work | Preload abuse is still going cause it worked with the latest verrsion a couple months ago |
| 20:46.02 | Taintedwisp | 100 minerals to protect a 20 worker loss -_- |
| 20:46.11 | Taintedwisp | but they are too stupid |
| 20:46.38 | gooose | i need a function for exp reward but i dont want level*exp but not as extreme as SQRT any ideas? |
| 20:46.38 | Taintedwisp | and then blame me for"rushing carriers"... .after I killed 2 players mineral lines -_- |
| 20:46.48 | Taintedwisp | with oracles |
| 20:46.53 | JademusSreg | Well, if it's demonstrated preload abuse can access outofbounds memory addresses and enable arbitrary code execution, they'd patch it quickly. |
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| 20:46.58 | Kueken | :) |
| 20:47.04 | Taintedwisp | I go early oracle > carrier > Carrier, tempest Voidray ball |
| 20:47.17 | Kueken | d3 states on login that my game cliet is outdated and will download a patch now |
| 20:47.30 | gooose | ^^ |
| 20:47.36 | gooose | is it? |
| 20:47.42 | Kueken | then starts blizz launcher, which says game is up to date and makes me login again |
| 20:47.51 | Taintedwisp | jademus they have a bug where the best computers are topping out at aorund 30-40 fps.... they wont even recognize it as a problem, and just keep blaming the players -_ |
| 20:47.52 | Kueken | which logs me out to download that patch |
| 20:47.59 | Kueken | yay |
| 20:48.37 | gooose | does it download soemthing? |
| 20:48.42 | Kueken | no |
| 20:48.53 | gooose | tried deleting your programdata? |
| 20:49.22 | Kueken | yep |
| 20:49.28 | Dustin|Work | Kueken, it's the game telling you that it knows it needs more content, but can't find it because blizzard is lazy and didnt make it. |
| 20:49.37 | Kueken | :) |
| 20:49.41 | gooose | you need to use the installer then not the launcher |
| 20:49.59 | gooose | did you do that? |
| 20:50.17 | Kueken | just now, no difference |
| 20:50.56 | Kueken | well, I need some sleep, I'll try again tomorrow |
| 20:51.02 | Kueken | good night |
| 20:51.09 | gooose | cu |
| 20:51.19 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. Bazing. |
| 20:51.40 | gooose | did one fo you find a solution to my projectiles? |
| 20:54.11 | JademusSreg | Doing stuff, so no. |
| 20:54.15 | Taintedwisp | WOW... |
| 20:54.19 | Taintedwisp | Thats stupid |
| 20:54.35 | Taintedwisp | After 2.0.7, the alt tab disable option re-enabled itself |
| 20:54.40 | gooose | still got terrain to do so take your time :P |
| 20:55.13 | gooose | but i wont be able to do anything but cliffs until i know there is a solution for my projectiles ^^ |
| 20:55.39 | JademusSreg | Of course there is. |
| 20:56.04 | gooose | i m not so sure about that |
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| 20:56.34 | gooose | after all i spent more than a day trieing out different mover combinations |
| 20:56.35 | gooose | y |
| 20:57.16 | G0A | N. Korea army says it has final approval for nuclear attack on US (ehhh) |
| 20:57.28 | Taintedwisp | OOMFG |
| 20:57.35 | Dustin|Work | Lol |
| 20:57.50 | gooose | XD |
| 20:57.51 | Dustin|Work | Even if they did try to nuke us, their shit would be shot down before it got close to USA |
| 20:58.10 | Taintedwisp | It keeps re-enabling itself everytime I talk to someone |
| 20:58.13 | JademusSreg | Their star athelete will throw the nuke into orbit. |
| 20:58.13 | gooose | oh no carve all your maps into your wood modems in case of EMP |
| 20:58.33 | JademusSreg | I mean, as long as we're making shit up, go big. |
| 20:58.45 | sharf | anyone know of a GE cache I could clear? |
| 20:59.05 | Dustin|Work | Im just pictureing this short korean guy twiriling with a big nuke in his hands and like shotputtng it into space |
| 20:59.27 | JademusSreg | Exactly. |
| 20:59.57 | G0A | Dustin|Work they will smugle the nuke inside a truck full of pot:D |
| 21:00.04 | Dustin|Work | N.Korea reminds me of the evil tribe of kids from Lord of the Flies |
| 21:00.20 | Taintedwisp | north korea reminds me of a spoiled little brat who needs his ass kicked |
| 21:00.29 | Dustin|Work | That's what I just said. |
| 21:00.36 | JademusSreg | Hah.. |
| 21:00.48 | Taintedwisp | never read/seen Lord of the flies |
| 21:00.51 | Dustin|Work | :O |
| 21:00.51 | Taintedwisp | only heard of it :P |
| 21:01.00 | Dustin|Work | It was interesting |
| 21:01.09 | Taintedwisp | did you read mobey dick? |
| 21:01.14 | Dustin|Work | Ya |
| 21:01.16 | Taintedwisp | damn.. |
| 21:01.18 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:01.28 | Taintedwisp | tom sawyer? |
| 21:01.32 | Dustin|Work | lol of course |
| 21:01.36 | Taintedwisp | gullivers travels? |
| 21:01.46 | gooose | XD backup all your shit and place it in a place protected from emps it might be worht millions afterwards :) |
| 21:02.00 | Taintedwisp | North Korea is stupid... |
| 21:02.00 | Taintedwisp | meh |
| 21:02.01 | Dustin|Work | I think I read Gullivers Travels |
| 21:02.18 | Taintedwisp | Doesnt matter what you read dustin |
| 21:02.22 | Taintedwisp | theres only 1 bookt hat fucking matters |
| 21:02.25 | Taintedwisp | did you read.... |
| 21:02.27 | Taintedwisp | christine. |
| 21:02.35 | Dustin|Work | Lol no, what is that |
| 21:02.40 | gooose | you know when the malware you collected over the years will beat the shit out of all woodcomputers build in the postemp era |
| 21:02.41 | Taintedwisp | your some bitch |
| 21:03.05 | Taintedwisp | http://www.amazon.com/Christine-Signet-Stephen-King/dp/0451160444 |
| 21:03.22 | Taintedwisp | its a stephen king book about a killer car, one of the best novels ever written :) |
| 21:03.25 | Dustin|Work | Oh, ya stephen king annoys me |
| 21:03.37 | Dustin|Work | My mom read that book |
| 21:03.49 | Dustin|Work | I liked the Langoleers |
| 21:04.02 | Dustin|Work | That was about it for me and mr S.K. |
| 21:04.10 | Taintedwisp | :( |
| 21:04.14 | Taintedwisp | i feel bad for you sir |
| 21:04.25 | Taintedwisp | you dont read any shitty dean coontz do you? |
| 21:05.32 | Taintedwisp | all I read for the past few years is Stephen king Michael Critchton, and Tom Clancy. |
| 21:05.44 | Taintedwisp | Chrichton |
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| 21:09.23 | sharf | ok so I need a hand fixing my editor lol |
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| 21:16.22 | gooose_ | fucking connection |
| 21:16.33 | gooose_ | emp mustve hit the servers XD |
| 21:16.52 | sharf | anyone know where the editor cache is? |
| 21:20.30 | JademusSreg | Interesting. |
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| 21:22.11 | Dustin|Work | Almost time to go home :D |
| 21:22.32 | JademusSreg | There's some strange stuff in the client regarding ActorSupport data. |
| 21:23.20 | JademusSreg | Will need to sort through it later. |
| 21:24.25 | Cardanis_ | So what exactly does datamining the client entail? |
| 21:24.56 | JademusSreg | Nothing at all complex. |
| 21:25.14 | JademusSreg | You just get a string dump from the client memory process or image. |
| 21:25.56 | Cardanis_ | Ah, okay. Then look for anything interesting or new? |
| 21:26.15 | IRonButterfly | jademus is making the first virtual reality in starcraft, it will literally suck you up through your monitor. |
| 21:26.20 | JademusSreg | Well, patch 2.0.4 revealed the existence of war3.SC2Mod |
| 21:26.35 | JademusSreg | *War3 |
| 21:26.48 | IRonButterfly | isnt there a sc1.sc2mod too |
| 21:26.57 | IRonButterfly | Jademus theres a chance that its for warcraft 4? |
| 21:27.01 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:27.06 | JademusSreg | That would be amusing. |
| 21:27.08 | IRonButterfly | they started with sc2 by using sc1 sprites |
| 21:27.09 | Dustin|Work | You crazy IRonButterfly |
| 21:27.10 | JademusSreg | And sad. |
| 21:27.22 | IRonButterfly | :) |
| 21:27.32 | Dustin|Work | Yeah, crazy and sad! |
| 21:27.51 | IRonButterfly | i dont even want a warcraft 4 -_- |
| 21:28.01 | IRonButterfly | I want warcraft 1 +2 made into an updated game |
| 21:28.10 | IRonButterfly | there is SOOO much better lore between those 2 then Wc3 or wow |
| 21:29.45 | Dustin|Work | Warcraft 1 and 2 lore was pretty cool |
| 21:29.49 | Dustin|Work | I liked 2 the best |
| 21:29.57 | IRonButterfly | yeah me too |
| 21:30.00 | Cardanis_ | Jade, you mind me asking what you do to get that dump? I'm in school for software development, so I make a lot of my own stuff, I've just never had any experience with modding/analyzing already produced stuff. I'm thinking that might be a good place to start |
| 21:30.09 | IRonButterfly | I would love them to re-tell that story with updated engine, and everything |
| 21:30.14 | IRonButterfly | FUck warcraft 4 for now :) |
| 21:30.36 | IRonButterfly | warcraft keeps getting more and more technology, next one they will have cars and computers -_- |
| 21:31.51 | IRonButterfly | warcraft 2 used a lot of boats and would love to see that return |
| 21:32.39 | Dustin|Work | Need more Turtles with torpedo launches on their backs tbh |
| 21:33.07 | JademusSreg | There are a number of ways. I tend to use HexWorkshop, but ProcessExplorer or CheatEngine work just as well. |
| 21:33.30 | IRonButterfly | :) |
| 21:33.34 | JademusSreg | Actually, CheatEngine runs like shit on my machine, but it can be used in that capacity. |
| 21:34.17 | IRonButterfly | JademusSreg, be a pro... |
| 21:34.21 | IRonButterfly | go grab ollydebug |
| 21:34.22 | IRonButterfly | :) |
| 21:34.47 | IRonButterfly | You can hack many a programs with it :) |
| 21:34.59 | IRonButterfly | http://www.ollydbg.de/ |
| 21:35.37 | IRonButterfly | i though they stopped updating in 2001? |
| 21:35.38 | IRonButterfly | huh |
| 21:37.32 | JademusSreg | Curiosity and creation are the impetus, certainly not to exploit. |
| 21:38.51 | IRonButterfly | :) |
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| 21:46.47 | Cardanis_ | so, with HexWorkshop, what do I load into it? |
| 21:48.23 | sharf | jademus |
| 21:48.27 | JademusSreg | "Images", which is to say the shit on one's harddrive, files and such. |
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| 21:52.13 | sharf | ugh |
| 21:52.31 | JademusSreg | ? |
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| 21:52.46 | sharf | lol I got dropped |
| 21:52.51 | sharf | but I had a bugged editor |
| 21:52.52 | sharf | I fixed it |
| 21:53.28 | sharf | and it broke again wtf |
| 21:53.56 | sharf | ok.. |
| 21:53.59 | sharf | kind of fixed... |
| 21:54.23 | JademusSreg | Oh, almost forgot. |
| 22:00.08 | sharf | jademus |
| 22:00.10 | sharf | 10 01http://snag.gy/CbSLt.jpg01 |
| 22:00.17 | sharf | text preview is fucked up |
| 22:00.24 | sharf | the font is the same color o the background |
| 22:00.36 | JademusSreg | Yes. The recent patch fucked up everything forever*. |
| 22:00.47 | sharf | :( |
| 22:00.59 | JademusSreg | Have you attempted to apply a style to it? |
| 22:01.01 | sharf | no fix? |
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| 22:01.20 | sharf | I can change it's colors in prefrences but that only affects the actual text editor |
| 22:01.23 | JademusSreg | A style or color. |
| 22:01.27 | sharf | not the previewer in data editor |
| 22:01.28 | sharf | oh yes |
| 22:01.32 | sharf | that shows up |
| 22:01.38 | JademusSreg | Great. |
| 22:01.44 | sharf | thats how I know the text color matches the background |
| 22:01.50 | JademusSreg | Now go to the FontStyles tab. |
| 22:02.04 | sharf | ok |
| 22:02.26 | JademusSreg | Find the editor text preview whatever style default, and change it. |
| 22:03.27 | sdsd | units on creep walk and attack too fast |
| 22:03.28 | sdsd | how do i do? |
| 22:03.44 | sharf | hmm |
| 22:05.00 | sharf | omg |
| 22:05.04 | sharf | what is itcalled lol |
| 22:05.05 | sharf | soo many |
| 22:06.39 | sdsd | help me |
| 22:06.49 | sdsd | i just made campaign map |
| 22:06.50 | JademusSreg | Change the creep bonus. |
| 22:06.54 | sdsd | all units are crazy |
| 22:06.56 | sdsd | where |
| 22:08.00 | JademusSreg | asd, you've been doing this since before I left way back in 1.5. How have you not learned anything about the editor during the interim? |
| 22:08.29 | sdsd | learn what |
| 22:08.41 | sharf | not seeing anything like what I'm looking for |
| 22:08.50 | sdsd | i dont know how things work in there even if i am watching them for many hours. |
| 22:09.16 | sdsd | it is too weird that all units are too fast on creep not only zerg |
| 22:09.39 | sdsd | maybe you can tell me solution if you know |
| 22:12.39 | sharf | sdsd |
| 22:12.42 | sdsd | ? |
| 22:12.54 | sharf | each unit has several fields related to creep bonus |
| 22:13.07 | sharf | just type creep into the search bar for the units moving too fast |
| 22:13.28 | sdsd | what field? |
| 22:13.37 | sdsd | what search bar? |
| 22:13.45 | sharf | are you in the data editor? |
| 22:13.50 | sdsd | yes |
| 22:13.55 | sharf | are you in table view? |
| 22:14.07 | sdsd | i can |
| 22:14.12 | sharf | go to table view |
| 22:14.17 | sharf | you will see a search bar pop up |
| 22:14.19 | sharf | at the top |
| 22:14.32 | sdsd | oh i see |
| 22:14.48 | sdsd | i think i changed multiplier not movement speed |
| 22:14.56 | sharf | right |
| 22:15.29 | sdsd | but why all units? |
| 22:15.33 | sdsd | even attack speed |
| 22:15.48 | sharf | did you change all units? |
| 22:15.56 | sdsd | no |
| 22:16.19 | sharf | what is a non zerg unit that is going too fasT? |
| 22:16.41 | sdsd | wait |
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| 22:20.41 | sdsd | i really dont understand this |
| 22:20.45 | sdsd | is this bug |
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| 22:20.54 | sdsd | units speeds are fine now |
| 22:21.01 | sdsd | when i play in multiplayer |
| 22:21.13 | sdsd | suddenly all units on creep are so fast |
| 22:21.19 | sdsd | attack speed is so fast |
| 22:21.45 | sdsd | at least i solved queen problem |
| 22:23.57 | Cardanis | So, Jade, I'm assuming you open the SC2.exe in Hex Workshop? What is it you look for? |
| 22:24.39 | sharf | sdsd |
| 22:25.09 | sdsd | ? |
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| 22:25.49 | sharf | sdsd what are the data values for the multipliers on the units that are too fast |
| 22:26.08 | sdsd | all units |
| 22:26.14 | sharf | pick one |
| 22:26.18 | sharf | and tell me what it's values are |
| 22:26.23 | sdsd | values are fine |
| 22:26.25 | sdsd | i think its a bug |
| 22:26.30 | sdsd | units are not fast now |
| 22:26.40 | sdsd | all units were too fast in multiplayer |
| 22:27.28 | sharf | sure it wasn't game speed? |
| 22:27.42 | sdsd | no... |
| 22:27.53 | sdsd | game speed is faster |
| 22:27.57 | sdsd | i mean |
| 22:28.05 | sdsd | you can't make it more faster right? |
| 22:28.13 | sharf | mmk |
| 22:28.13 | sdsd | make the game faster than faster |
| 22:28.31 | sharf | just making sure you weren't expecting normal and it was running faster |
| 22:28.51 | sdsd | lol |
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| 22:35.04 | JademusSreg | There's a discrepency of 7 lines between the two string dumps. |
| 22:35.07 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 22:42.54 | Bounty | down for a test JademusSreg? |
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| 22:51.38 | JademusSreg | Sure, a quick one, then I shall prep dinner. |
| 22:52.02 | Bounty | not sure how quick it will be lol |
| 22:52.03 | Bounty | but ok |
| 22:52.27 | JademusSreg | Lrn2debugcommands |
| 22:54.10 | JademusSreg | I'm on. |
| 22:54.50 | Bounty | smae |
| 22:54.52 | Bounty | same* |
| 22:57.35 | A1win | I should really rename CraftCraft to something that sounds like a name |
| 22:58.51 | A1win | maybe something related to the xel'naga vaults, though I should make the story make more sense too ;p |
| 22:59.22 | A1win | the warp gate in the middle of the map is completely useless gameplaywise, just takes some space |
| 22:59.46 | A1win | and if people don't watch the tutorial/intro they have no idea what it's for anyway |
| 23:02.23 | ckSynergy | uhh yea |
| 23:02.37 | ckSynergy | craft craft doesnt exactly inspire to play lol |
| 23:02.51 | ckSynergy | no offense |
| 23:02.56 | Eagles | Am I the only one who dislikes the idea of a separate tutorial map? |
| 23:03.10 | ckSynergy | no youre not |
| 23:03.37 | Bounty | what would you have me do JademusSreg |
| 23:04.01 | Eagles | more people should put their tutorial in the same map, with a playable map area and then decrease difficulty for rest of players "playing the real game" if it is a team map |
| 23:04.43 | JademusSreg | Start off prone in the snow staring up at the sky, struggle to get up, clues to what happened and what to do scattered throughout. |
| 23:05.18 | Bounty | yeah but... then nothing makes sense |
| 23:05.29 | Bounty | how do i make it so u cant get into the lab |
| 23:05.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:06.27 | JademusSreg | I wouldn't handhold, just give them a sense of where to go. Vehicle has a low fuel gauge and it can be interacted with, you figure you need to find some fuel. Visual communication./ |
| 23:06.52 | Bounty | yeah but then how do i do the two part objective |
| 23:06.54 | Bounty | with the rescue |
| 23:07.01 | JademusSreg | Anyway, dinner prep, then finish the headlight. |
| 23:07.08 | JademusSreg | bbl |
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| 23:36.07 | Claymuffin | Hum |
| 23:36.30 | Claymuffin | Anybody know what responsible for making a worker switch to naother resource nod when the one he'S mining is depleted? |
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| 23:37.47 | IRonButterfly | http://i.imgur.com/1pzMMoS.jpg http://i.imgur.com/390BWhm.jpg |
| 23:37.49 | IRonButterfly | Better? |
| 23:38.11 | IRonButterfly | I think it really brings out my buttons and makes them look much nicer |
| 23:38.39 | CryptRat | What is that? |
| 23:39.02 | ckSynergy | Clay: resource acquire in the harvest ability |
| 23:39.05 | IRonButterfly | a her selection, but I changed all the borders |
| 23:39.08 | IRonButterfly | hero* |
| 23:39.34 | Claymuffin | ty |
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| 23:40.02 | CryptRat | Did they change how AgeReached actor events work? |
| 23:40.47 | CryptRat | The map I'm working on had 5 of them on an actor and it worked for the longest time and then stopped working in that last patch. |
| 23:41.17 | IRonButterfly | what you think jademusSreg? |
| 23:41.19 | CryptRat | Can you just not use multiple AgeReached events or use two within a specific timespan? |
| 23:48.53 | Kubi | JADE |
| 23:48.58 | Kubi | WHATS WITH THE HERO PANEL |
| 23:51.10 | IRonButterfly | why is is sooo quiet today -_- |
| 23:51.22 | Kubi | mmm |
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| 23:51.29 | Kubi | I have tomorrow off and the next day |
| 23:51.30 | Kubi | :D |
| 23:51.33 | Kubi | I can work on my map |
| 23:51.43 | Kubi | also I found out I need to add an extra level to all my abilities |
| 23:51.44 | Kubi | shoo shit |
| 23:51.49 | Kubi | then add the rest of the items |
| 23:51.52 | Kubi | So much work |
| 23:52.21 | Stewox | just out of excitement i ask how closer smart targeting is on the schedule jademussreg ? |
| 23:52.29 | Kubi | Honestly I just want to finish it and start of my next map |
| 23:53.20 | CryptRat | What is he working on Stewox? |
| 23:53.42 | Stewox | 3-4 other things |
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| 23:55.35 | Kubi | He as ADD |
| 23:55.38 | Kubi | never finishes them |
| 23:56.39 | ckSynergy | smart targeting? |
| 23:56.48 | ckSynergy | how is this different from whats currently available? |
| 23:57.33 | Stewox | what's currently available ? |
| 23:58.00 | ckSynergy | the normal targeting & priorities? |
