| 00:00.47 | Taintedwisp | i made those attachments before i know how to use attachments :))) |
| 00:00.56 | Taintedwisp | it still looks good so it still stays :))))) |
| 00:03.18 | Touk | anyone know why the scale fills off? |
| 00:03.23 | Touk | for my units compared to terrain |
| 00:08.42 | Ahli | time to update my diablo map... (no NA update because Bluzzard is still blocking the name, even if map files were deleted) |
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| 00:25.08 | JademusSreg | Backish. |
| 00:26.45 | JademusSreg | Waiting for the corn cobs in a cream of garlic, white pepper, and honey to finish in the oven. |
| 00:27.26 | JademusSreg | Wat's up Bounty? |
| 00:28.22 | Taintedwisp | damn... lucky bastard, all I am having is a tv dinner -_- |
| 00:29.03 | JademusSreg | So cook? |
| 00:30.25 | Taintedwisp | :O |
| 00:30.48 | Taintedwisp | they did cook, but they cooked spegetti and I am allergic to it :) |
| 00:31.08 | JademusSreg | Ahli, all I've got on shadows is that it can be flagged from the actor, can be set dynamically from the actor events, and there are shadow actors. |
| 00:31.21 | JademusSreg | Shadow actors look like they could do some neat shit, too. |
| 00:31.41 | Bounty | I just wanted to share something i find interesting JademusSreg |
| 00:31.50 | Bounty | about how Haunted Forest works |
| 00:32.03 | Bounty | Care to take a guess before i share? lol |
| 00:35.57 | Taintedwisp | Hey jademusSreg, can I get a Layout script that allows me to use regular images for checkboxes? |
| 00:36.08 | Taintedwisp | similar to the buttons |
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| 00:41.58 | sharf | what does it mean when the event in an actor is red? |
| 00:44.14 | JademusSreg | Taint, the way checkboxes work is supper shitty. |
| 00:44.21 | JademusSreg | Instead, use a toggleable button. |
| 00:44.42 | JademusSreg | *super Haha |
| 00:44.54 | Taintedwisp | Is it that bad? |
| 00:44.54 | Taintedwisp | damn |
| 00:44.56 | Taintedwisp | alright |
| 00:45.05 | Taintedwisp | So can i get a script for a toggleable button? |
| 00:45.40 | JademusSreg | Well, in short, checkboxes have elements for setting the check and check hover image, but those aren't accessible from the dialog control API. |
| 00:46.05 | Taintedwisp | okay so in short, how do i make a toggleable button :P |
| 00:46.13 | JademusSreg | To make a button toggleable, you add the <Toggleable val="true"/> line to a Button type frame. |
| 00:46.17 | Taintedwisp | and if from Layouts can I get the script |
| 00:46.18 | Taintedwisp | oh |
| 00:46.19 | Taintedwisp | thats all :) |
| 00:46.21 | Taintedwisp | kk |
| 00:46.24 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 00:46.51 | JademusSreg | Also, the texture you use for it need three subimages, rather than 2 for normal buttons, iirc. |
| 00:47.15 | JademusSreg | For example, look at the Follow Player Camera button texture (used for replays and such). |
| 00:47.27 | JademusSreg | It's a texture with 3 states. |
| 00:48.17 | JademusSreg | Corresponding to the inactive state, the active state (clicking on it), and the toggled state (clicked on it and now it's different to indicate it's still on). |
| 00:48.49 | Taintedwisp | kk |
| 00:48.51 | Taintedwisp | I can do that |
| 00:49.09 | JademusSreg | Bounty, you think it's funny that the game is so unbalanced and players delight in fucking with one another? Best guess. |
| 00:49.28 | Bounty | huh? |
| 00:49.41 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 00:49.42 | Taintedwisp | wait.. |
| 00:49.42 | Bounty | Are you joking when you used the word unbalanced? lol |
| 00:49.52 | Taintedwisp | wouldnt I need a new image type too? |
| 00:49.57 | JademusSreg | You asked me to guess. |
| 00:50.07 | Bounty | neways i just thought it was funny that the entire game runs on RNG lol |
| 00:50.15 | Bounty | and it always comes together to create those events |
| 00:50.23 | JademusSreg | Taint, only need two textures. Each texture needs to have 3 states instead of 2 like normal buttons. |
| 00:50.28 | Bounty | I just thought that was funny |
| 00:50.39 | Taintedwisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.42 | Taintedwisp | i just plug that in correct? |
| 00:50.57 | Taintedwisp | My textures doesnt have 2 states? |
| 00:51.12 | JademusSreg | You'll need to add a third state. |
| 00:51.26 | JademusSreg | Not add a third image. |
| 00:51.36 | JademusSreg | Alright. I'll find an example for you. |
| 00:51.52 | Taintedwisp | ok |
| 00:52.00 | Bounty | I guess its just me |
| 00:52.01 | Bounty | that find that interesting |
| 00:52.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:52.02 | Taintedwisp | because i am all sorts of confused |
| 00:52.58 | JademusSreg | This is the LockCameraButton. https://pastee.org/h5zs6 |
| 00:53.14 | JademusSreg | Note it has the usual two Image subframes. |
| 00:53.58 | JademusSreg | Now find the texture asset in the archive browser. Note instead of 2 versions of the button in the texture, there are 3. |
| 00:54.09 | Touk | hey |
| 00:54.18 | Touk | how do i select in a square and not a retarded diamond |
| 00:54.19 | Touk | -_- |
| 00:54.48 | JademusSreg | In fact, if you've ever seen any button texture with 3 button versions in it while browsing the files, those are toggle button textures that support 3 states. |
| 00:55.04 | JademusSreg | Touk, sounds like it'd be in your settings? |
| 00:55.57 | Taintedwisp | hmm alright |
| 00:56.04 | JademusSreg | Patches always default to the worst options. |
| 00:56.18 | Taintedwisp | hmmm alright |
| 00:56.40 | JademusSreg | Mature language filter? Fuck that. |
| 00:56.45 | Taintedwisp | sooo... I have to make a new button, okay but how in triggers would I check to see if the button is toggled ornot? |
| 00:57.01 | JademusSreg | Dialog Item Is Toggled |
| 00:57.06 | Taintedwisp | oh alright |
| 00:57.14 | JademusSreg | Or some similarly named GUI function thing. |
| 00:57.28 | JademusSreg | Toggled was a dialog control property added in 2.0.4. |
| 00:58.03 | JademusSreg | People would know that if they read the shit I datamine. =D |
| 00:58.20 | JademusSreg | Not that I expect that, haha. |
| 00:58.22 | Taintedwisp | So I need to make 2 images based off of the images use for toggleable buttons... |
| 00:58.30 | Taintedwisp | lame I cant just add another frame for it -_- |
| 00:58.51 | JademusSreg | Be thankful. Textures are easy. =D |
| 00:58.53 | Taintedwisp | <---- does his own digging and writes his own triggers |
| 00:59.07 | Taintedwisp | wait i mean doesnt write many triggers |
| 00:59.09 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 00:59.13 | Taintedwisp | I hate writing my own |
| 00:59.20 | JademusSreg | A new image subframe means a new element, which means extending the API further, et cetera. |
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| 00:59.33 | Taintedwisp | I am trying to add 2 modes, Fog of war, and All random heroes |
| 01:00.16 | reaperguyver | fog of war I don't know how to do but all random shouldn't be that hard. |
| 01:02.40 | egod | http://thecurseoftristram.com/ |
| 01:02.48 | egod | dman i suck in html |
| 01:03.18 | reaperguyver | well the skull looks cool >.> |
| 01:03.18 | reaperguyver | lol |
| 01:03.22 | Taintedwisp | yeah I can easily do both |
| 01:03.24 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 01:03.33 | reaperguyver | the rest of it is okay. The T's kinda look like +'s imo... |
| 01:03.56 | Taintedwisp | I can set it up so it switches everyones picked character to a random hero, I already have it built in for the random hero button. |
| 01:04.00 | egod | and i suck bulilding a forum :( |
| 01:04.07 | reaperguyver | I'm trying decide whether to try to do AI next or redo my dialog box... |
| 01:05.04 | Taintedwisp | JademusSreg just because I like to confirm things, this is the button texture I should alter for my desired results correct? |
| 01:05.10 | Taintedwisp | http://imgur.com/1MsnGaP |
| 01:10.01 | Taintedwisp | quick question which one is the toggle? |
| 01:10.05 | Taintedwisp | bottom top or middle? |
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| 01:28.28 | reaperguyver | yay down to 31 triggers >.> |
| 01:29.29 | Touk | http://imgur.com/243rUnt |
| 01:29.33 | Touk | too sexy can't be handled |
| 01:35.07 | reaperguyver | niiiice |
| 01:35.18 | Touk | only 5 minutes of work |
| 01:35.26 | Touk | :3 |
| 01:41.07 | Touk | this room is so silent T_T |
| 01:44.24 | reaperguyver | Yeah = / |
| 01:44.34 | Ownage | what you want to talk about |
| 01:44.38 | reaperguyver | Is it easier to try to do Ai through triggers or though an AI editor? |
| 01:44.46 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 01:47.11 | Taintedwisp | I am woRKING I WAS TALKING A LOT EARLIER :) |
| 01:47.20 | reaperguyver | I'm going to assume probably the AI editor... |
| 01:47.25 | Ownage | I have no idea as I've never attempted AI |
| 01:47.29 | Taintedwisp | Thanks for all the help jademus I shoul dhave it from here go thte toggle buttons to work :) |
| 01:51.03 | Ownage | when a requirement node fails I see in the tooltip |
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| 01:51.10 | Ownage | requirements: |
| 01:51.13 | Ownage | -my requirement |
| 01:51.14 | Ownage | 0 |
| 01:51.20 | Ownage | why is that red 0 there? |
| 01:51.27 | Touk | does set to game camera not work? |
| 01:59.27 | Taintedwisp | Well THERE now the visuals of the buttons is finished :) |
| 02:04.59 | reaperguyver | cool. |
| 02:07.07 | Taintedwisp | how do I track if a dialog item is toggled -_- |
| 02:09.24 | Taintedwisp | its weird I hate triggers but I love to mess with dialogs :) |
| 02:13.17 | Touk | it weird i hate data editor and never use it |
| 02:14.33 | reaperguyver | I hate everything equally in the map maker >.< |
| 02:14.54 | Touk | i love triggers i write libs for fun |
| 02:15.42 | JademusSreg | In GUI or script? |
| 02:16.34 | JademusSreg | Taint, you check the dialog item property Toggled. It was added in 2.0.4, as said previously. |
| 02:17.09 | Taintedwisp | I tried i couldnt find toggled I found checked thoguh does this look correct? http://pastebin.com/NssgzBYp |
| 02:17.23 | Touk | i can do both but right now gui... since i am to lazy to setup a proper script ide |
| 02:17.38 | Touk | i don't feel like setting up visual studio for sc2 yet |
| 02:18.03 | JademusSreg | Taint, dunno what it is called in GUI. But it damn well exists. |
| 02:18.25 | Taintedwisp | danget... I need it in GUI :) |
| 02:20.14 | Taintedwisp | I got the buttons to toggle |
| 02:20.20 | Taintedwisp | i just dont know how to call it in GUI :)) |
| 02:21.13 | JademusSreg | Touk, soon I'll start a galaxy extension for either VS, Eclipse, or SublimeText. The extension I've been maintaining for np++ is a pain in the ass, need some damn intellisense and sick of mining the standard .galaxy files. |
| 02:21.32 | Touk | loool |
| 02:21.41 | Touk | eclipse will be more accessible |
| 02:21.47 | Touk | since vs is typically paided |
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| 02:24.31 | Taintedwisp | Well I have ruled that its not checked |
| 02:24.39 | Touk | what sucks from what i am reading isn't the fact galaxy from my understanding doesn't expand scripting much |
| 02:24.40 | JademusSreg | np++ reliance on fucking Scintilla caps the keywords it can handle before it shits the bed. That and shit should just work with some easily-updated standard library references. =D |
| 02:25.04 | JademusSreg | Taint, of course it's not checked, hahaha. |
| 02:25.08 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/of1Rhg2.jpg |
| 02:25.09 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 02:25.18 | Touk | like jass did stuff u just couldn't do in gui |
| 02:25.19 | Taintedwisp | well I thought MAYBE they put checked == toggled -_- |
| 02:25.27 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 02:25.35 | Mexa | http://www.iryoku.com/next-generation-life activision impresses with their new "next-gen" character rendering |
| 02:25.42 | Taintedwisp | I dunno where it is... I have looked everywhere |
| 02:25.46 | Taintedwisp | I mean i could rig it... |
| 02:25.48 | Mexa | impresses, for once |
| 02:25.49 | Taintedwisp | but i dont want to |
| 02:26.07 | Touk | mwhehe |
| 02:26.09 | Taintedwisp | they cant do it in game so I dont care |
| 02:26.11 | Touk | skin needs work still |
| 02:26.18 | JademusSreg | Galaxy script enables use of arrayref, structref and funcref. |
| 02:26.26 | Taintedwisp | eyes look like shit on the girl |
| 02:26.34 | Taintedwisp | well not the eyes, but the sockets rather |
| 02:26.44 | Taintedwisp | SHE LOOKS LIKE A BUG EYED ALIEN |
| 02:26.44 | Touk | what do u mean when u say ref? |
| 02:27.00 | JademusSreg | Which is still nothing compared to pointers or at least references, but with static memory allocation, it's the best one will get in SC2. |
| 02:27.13 | Touk | oo |
| 02:27.18 | JademusSreg | They are references. |
| 02:27.30 | JademusSreg | However, which severe limits. |
| 02:27.32 | Touk | u can't reference in gui? |
| 02:27.49 | JademusSreg | Can't use these in GUI. |
| 02:28.03 | Touk | i see |
| 02:28.11 | Mexa | Hey Jademus, have your bought HotS? |
| 02:28.28 | Touk | i haven't had a need for that yet but I am mroe frustrated i have to setup default values -_- in a fucken defination |
| 02:29.30 | JademusSreg | The catch is that since galaxy memory is statically allocated, you get a reference to the memory address rather than an object reference as one would in Java or C#. So parameters can accept references, but not return them, since then the references would point to deallocated memory addresses. |
| 02:29.46 | JademusSreg | Mexa, not quite yet. About to, tonight, soonish. |
| 02:30.10 | Mexa | Oh, I see |
| 02:30.15 | Touk | I see |
| 02:30.15 | JademusSreg | But I've already got all the HotS data and assets, so it's only so I may play the campaign. |
| 02:30.23 | Ownage | any way to have attributes list their value as decimal |
| 02:30.50 | Mexa | Jademus, what about editor changes... or changes to galaxy, rather? |
| 02:30.53 | Touk | can u cast in sc2? |
| 02:31.28 | reaperguyver | hhmmm looks like the A.I. is for creating attack waves... |
| 02:32.05 | JademusSreg | Touk, only by native. Implicit casts aren't much supported, except between int and fixed. |
| 02:32.24 | JademusSreg | And maybe byte; I don't remember for that once since there's no point using it. |
| 02:32.27 | Touk | zzzzz why can't i query what in the fucken scene so i can dynamically generate these variables |
| 02:32.28 | Touk | -_- |
| 02:32.40 | Taintedwisp | Does anyone here know how to check if a button is toggled in GUI? |
| 02:32.40 | Touk | better to say set |
| 02:32.41 | JademusSreg | Mexa, I've got the changes. |
| 02:32.53 | JademusSreg | Taint, doesn't look like it can be done, hahaha. |
| 02:33.01 | JademusSreg | So I'll do it for you. |
| 02:33.10 | Taintedwisp | it can be done.. |
| 02:33.20 | Taintedwisp | very easily.. but I was wondering if there was a defualt way.. |
| 02:33.37 | Taintedwisp | Ill just create a variable and add 1 to the variable when its clicked the first time and then Ic an compare the variable |
| 02:33.55 | JademusSreg | That's suboptimal. |
| 02:34.06 | JademusSreg | Seriously, just give me a minute to fix that bullshit. |
| 02:34.14 | Taintedwisp | okay |
| 02:36.18 | Touk | can u read from xml? |
| 02:36.23 | Touk | for triggers |
| 02:36.37 | JademusSreg | Er, me personally? |
| 02:37.06 | Touk | i meant take xml and use it in triggers to set variable values? |
| 02:37.29 | Ahli | publishing my 41mb mod file to korea takes forever |
| 02:37.43 | JademusSreg | You can use catalog lookups and userdata lookups, but I rather doubt you can read the trigger xml itself with the API. |
| 02:38.57 | Touk | is there a way to do custom preset than maybe to check if a spefic camera exists within a scene? |
| 02:39.20 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 02:42.44 | JademusSreg | Taint. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/SuperDuperFuckerificToggleCheck.SC2Lib |
| 02:43.44 | JademusSreg | Touk, by scene do you mean Scene in the Cutscene terminology or Scene in the sense of Unity/Unreal? |
| 02:43.57 | Touk | Unity or Unreal |
| 02:44.03 | Touk | llevel per say |
| 02:44.15 | Taintedwisp | how do I use that jademusSReg? |
| 02:44.23 | Touk | i bassically wanna setup general Lib's where if i have spefic objects already created i wouldn't have to reset them |
| 02:44.30 | Touk | cause they require game objects |
| 02:44.41 | Touk | spefically points and cameras |
| 02:45.04 | JademusSreg | Yeah, hate those and they can't be created dynamically. |
| 02:45.21 | Taintedwisp | I dont kunderstand :( |
| 02:45.45 | Taintedwisp | where do I paste this to? |
| 02:45.50 | Touk | yep |
| 02:46.02 | Touk | hence why i asked about xml data to trigger infomration |
| 02:46.13 | Touk | i was trying to figure way around it |
| 02:46.15 | JademusSreg | It's a damn library Taint. Import and use the damn function, haha. |
| 02:46.16 | Touk | or casting |
| 02:46.46 | JademusSreg | I made it a GUI wrapper over galaxy script. All you do is use the function in a bool expression like you wanted. |
| 02:47.05 | Taintedwisp | Import what.....its just a text to me... |
| 02:47.08 | JademusSreg | Or, well, add a return type, because I neglected to do that. |
| 02:47.15 | JademusSreg | Save As |
| 02:48.03 | Taintedwisp | oh alright |
| 02:48.07 | JademusSreg | Touk, the native API doesn't offer much in the way of getting position information from camerainfo. |
| 02:48.32 | JademusSreg | Though if the ids are constant, you can check if they exist with a null comparison. |
| 02:49.00 | Touk | hmm |
| 02:49.15 | JademusSreg | CameraInfoFromId (int id); |
| 02:50.19 | JademusSreg | Pardon, return type is camerainfo. |
| 02:52.18 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that's the only way I see to check if a camera exists. |
| 02:52.20 | Ownage | when a requirement node fails I see in the tooltip a red 0, what is that |
| 02:53.13 | Taintedwisp | got it |
| 02:53.14 | Taintedwisp | testing |
| 02:53.16 | JademusSreg | The requirement. Fill in its tooltips so it displays a message instead. |
| 02:53.26 | Touk | that could work |
| 02:53.33 | Ownage | it says the requirement like |
| 02:53.42 | Ownage | requirements: |
| 02:53.44 | Touk | guessing that in galaxy++ and not gui? |
| 02:53.46 | Ownage | -30 minute spassed |
| 02:53.48 | Ownage | 0 |
| 02:53.58 | JademusSreg | It's in galaxy script. I don't use g++. |
| 02:54.10 | Taintedwisp | still not working... |
| 02:54.16 | Touk | is g++ much of a improvement? |
| 02:54.23 | JademusSreg | Own, xml? |
| 02:54.48 | Ownage | of what the requirement? |
| 02:54.57 | JademusSreg | Touk, I wouldn't know. Went in a direction I didn't care for, generated way to much cruft code. |
| 02:55.06 | Touk | cruft code? |
| 02:55.09 | JademusSreg | Own, yeah, and the nodes. |
| 02:55.12 | Touk | or crude code? |
| 02:55.46 | Mexa | Hey Jademus, I thought you were done with sc2 modding:P |
| 02:55.55 | Ownage | http://pastebin.com/ZxM2WC8h |
| 02:56.19 | JademusSreg | Touk, lots of inefficient bullshit. I could find some output Mexa or someone showed me, but don't much care. =D |
| 02:56.34 | Ownage | oh hmm looks like it thinks 0 is a node |
| 02:56.50 | Touk | mwhehe |
| 02:56.54 | JademusSreg | Just the implementation of its "oop" features was dreadful. |
| 02:57.00 | JademusSreg | Mexa, yes. |
| 02:57.14 | Touk | i don't care enough i am trying to learn the Gui first to get comfortable and use to all the events and actions before galaxy anyways |
| 02:57.16 | Taintedwisp | he comes to helpout and chat plus hes a robot |
| 02:57.17 | Ownage | am I missing something for the requirements syntax? CountUpgrade(30MinutesPassed,CompleteOnly) > 0 |
| 02:57.19 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 02:57.25 | JademusSreg | A lady has license to change her mind. And so do I. |
| 02:57.30 | Mexa | g++ was convenient, but a tad unstable. |
| 02:57.32 | Ownage | seems to think that 0 is a node |
| 02:57.40 | Taintedwisp | Yeah jademus it still isnt working |
| 02:57.53 | JademusSreg | Taint, not working is not informative. |
| 02:57.54 | Mexa | But that was a while back. I have no idea if g++ still is developed on |
| 02:58.27 | JademusSreg | Does it throw a syntax error? A runtime error? Is it ignored? |
| 02:58.37 | Ownage | me? it works perfectly |
| 02:58.42 | Ownage | just has a red 0 in the tooltip |
| 02:58.44 | JademusSreg | @ Taint. |
| 02:58.50 | Taintedwisp | I dunno i dont htink its meeting conditions |
| 02:58.52 | Ahli | http://imgur.com/a/naAPk hots :hurr: |
| 02:58.53 | Taintedwisp | I dont have the debugger open |
| 02:59.11 | Ownage | well I can deal with tooltips later |
| 02:59.14 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 02:59.17 | Ownage | here's a better more important q for me |
| 02:59.22 | Taintedwisp | whats the hotkey for https://pastee.org/8p5qm |
| 02:59.25 | Ownage | I want to test with another active player |
| 02:59.30 | Taintedwisp | lol split sentence |
| 02:59.39 | Ownage | and by active player I want it to be me with 2 player's units |
| 02:59.56 | Ownage | aside from doing shared control on both builders, is there some way I can 'pretend' the other player is active player? |
| 02:59.59 | JademusSreg | Own, just add a tooltip below the node field. |
| 03:00.05 | Taintedwisp | brb |
| 03:00.13 | JademusSreg | So it will display that instead of the literal value. |
| 03:00.18 | Ownage | can I just add him to that pg? |
| 03:00.21 | Ownage | ok thanks |
| 03:00.36 | ThunderLord | is the model for the replicant included in HOTS??? |
| 03:00.57 | JademusSreg | Er. |
| 03:01.13 | JademusSreg | Looks like the arguments are reversed, Taint. |
| 03:03.03 | JademusSreg | You put Player as the DialogItem argument and the dialog control as the Player argument. |
| 03:03.12 | JademusSreg | Not sure how you even accomplished that. |
| 03:03.54 | JademusSreg | I mean, they're both int in galaxy, but GUI has typechecking for its shitty constructs, how did you even |
| 03:04.41 | Ownage | can I grant control of a unit to an enemy? |
| 03:04.50 | Taintedwisp | i cant even put a dialog item where that is |
| 03:05.23 | Touk | why do i feel like a tick is always better than unit dies -_- |
| 03:05.43 | JademusSreg | Own, you can grant ownership, you can use an Interact ability. |
| 03:06.04 | Ownage | I might have an easier workaround, that sounds hard |
| 03:06.20 | JademusSreg | Behaviors can grant temporary ownership. |
| 03:06.28 | JademusSreg | As per Neural Parasite. |
| 03:06.43 | Ownage | I don't want ownership because then I'd have to write the same trigger anyway |
| 03:06.50 | Ownage | I'll just write the triggers |
| 03:06.51 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:06.51 | Taintedwisp | you can also do timed modify units |
| 03:07.04 | Ownage | just trying to take control of enemy builder to make him do stuff only for debugging |
| 03:07.13 | JademusSreg | Oh I see. |
| 03:07.32 | JademusSreg | My grammar text, got it. Fucking GUI. =D |
| 03:07.47 | Ownage | I'll just give him to me w/ trigger then make my buildings in that region go to being his |
| 03:07.52 | JademusSreg | Anyway, what value does it return? |
| 03:08.04 | Taintedwisp | value? |
| 03:08.15 | JademusSreg | Yeah, is it returning true or false? |
| 03:08.20 | Taintedwisp | it doesnt get past the condition |
| 03:09.37 | JademusSreg | So you've got a counter you're incrementing. |
| 03:10.02 | sharf | so... |
| 03:10.20 | Taintedwisp | its a vote dialog... |
| 03:10.23 | sharf | I have a model, that in the actor event, plays once with the animation bracket |
| 03:10.25 | Taintedwisp | if its toggled they vote |
| 03:10.30 | Taintedwisp | if its not they dont :))) |
| 03:10.32 | sharf | how do I make it loop? checking "play frever" didn't work |
| 03:10.55 | JademusSreg | Which of the two conditions is fulfilled? |
| 03:11.13 | JademusSreg | IF neither are fulfilled, then it must not be Vote Option Item[1] you're clicking. |
| 03:11.24 | Taintedwisp | The first IS fufilled.. |
| 03:11.46 | JademusSreg | And when you click it again? |
| 03:11.53 | Taintedwisp | http://pastebin.com/3BkuqbzQ |
| 03:12.16 | JademusSreg | LAbel. |
| 03:12.20 | JademusSreg | That's a label. |
| 03:12.21 | Taintedwisp | pretty much this is checking to see whether its toggeled or not and if it is toggeled it adds a variable, if it isnt toggeled it takes one away |
| 03:12.23 | Taintedwisp | oh my bad |
| 03:12.26 | JademusSreg | You can't click a label. |
| 03:12.38 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 03:12.41 | Taintedwisp | whoops |
| 03:12.42 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 03:12.46 | Taintedwisp | adidnt notice that |
| 03:13.23 | Touk | why won't my struct let me fucken set variable a bool |
| 03:13.25 | Touk | -_- |
| 03:13.36 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 03:13.48 | JademusSreg | In GUI or galaxy? |
| 03:13.58 | Taintedwisp | okay now I know... |
| 03:14.04 | Taintedwisp | your library isnt working :P |
| 03:14.14 | Taintedwisp | I have checked for false, and unchecked for true |
| 03:14.20 | Taintedwisp | it ONLY displays checked |
| 03:14.22 | Ownage | hmm well adding player to active players doesn't work |
| 03:14.36 | JademusSreg | Taint, checked? |
| 03:14.38 | reaperguyver | I give up on making the AI do anything right now. I'll have to get someone else to do it. |
| 03:14.40 | Ownage | guess I'll have to move to variable |
| 03:15.08 | Taintedwisp | its just a text message |
| 03:15.15 | Taintedwisp | If its Toggeled it should display checked |
| 03:15.23 | Taintedwisp | If its not toggled it displays unchecked |
| 03:15.40 | Taintedwisp | It uses the same comaprison but with true/false being the difference |
| 03:15.49 | Taintedwisp | its showing it as always false |
| 03:15.59 | Taintedwisp | well not even false |
| 03:16.01 | Taintedwisp | but != True |
| 03:16.03 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 03:17.24 | Taintedwisp | So whats wrong with just altering a variable? |
| 03:17.26 | JademusSreg | I can't even guess without information. Humans are remarkable in their exploration of the configuration space of wrong ways to do something. |
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| 03:18.12 | JademusSreg | Do what you like. Doing it inefficiently will save more time here than doing well. =D |
| 03:18.27 | Taintedwisp | WIll it make any impact on teh game? |
| 03:18.40 | JademusSreg | Not even a little. |
| 03:18.55 | Taintedwisp | I fail to see how its inefficient, i am using the same variables I had to have anyways :P |
| 03:19.07 | Taintedwisp | just comparing a variable rather then comparing button state |
| 03:19.12 | JademusSreg | Don't worry about it, haha. |
| 03:19.56 | JademusSreg | Honestly, until you hit a bottleneck in CPU, memory, or threads, inefficient or even outright bad programming doesn't make a noticable difference. |
| 03:19.58 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 03:20.10 | Taintedwisp | ah alright |
| 03:20.52 | Taintedwisp | Thanks for the button 3 state though looks cool |
| 03:21.37 | Mexa | Is there any wysiwyg dialog editor for sc2 yet, officially? |
| 03:21.59 | Mexa | I've only seen that there is one for ui. |
| 03:24.39 | Taintedwisp | THERE GOT IT |
| 03:24.42 | Taintedwisp | now its a cakewalk :) |
| 03:34.10 | Touk | -_- |
| 03:34.15 | Touk | map init is a LIE |
| 03:35.37 | Taintedwisp | DAMMIT NOW WHAT IS WRONG |
| 03:41.19 | sharf | tainted |
| 03:43.40 | Taintedwisp | .... |
| 03:43.51 | sharf | tainted |
| 03:44.19 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 03:44.33 | sharf | fixed the flame thing kind of |
| 03:44.40 | sharf | used the fbat attack model instead lol |
| 03:44.56 | Taintedwisp | ah cool |
| 03:45.02 | Taintedwisp | Well I am about to give up... |
| 03:45.03 | Taintedwisp | its late |
| 03:45.07 | sharf | what's wrong? |
| 03:45.09 | Taintedwisp | I am done for tonight FUCK THIS FUCKING BULL SHIT |
| 03:45.14 | Taintedwisp | i didnt touch anything.... |
| 03:45.16 | Taintedwisp | it was working |
| 03:45.20 | Taintedwisp | I hit test again.. |
| 03:45.23 | Taintedwisp | its broken. -_- |
| 03:45.25 | sharf | lol |
| 03:45.28 | sharf | what's the problem? |
| 03:45.31 | Taintedwisp | cant find a single thing that would break it |
| 03:45.51 | Taintedwisp | When I click it its supposed to be On or off, i set a variable to determine this. |
| 03:46.11 | Taintedwisp | So if the variable is < 1 its being turned on |
| 03:46.17 | Taintedwisp | if its >1 then its being turned off |
| 03:46.28 | Taintedwisp | Well now its turning on 1 time and turning off 5 times whenever I press it |
| 03:46.33 | Touk | Well i am now sad T__T |
| 03:46.34 | sharf | why not just use a boolean? |
| 03:46.49 | Touk | I must go into the data editor to create everything else T__T |
| 03:47.07 | Touk | all the triggers are done |
| 03:47.09 | Touk | T___T |
| 03:47.58 | Touk | whats the game speed when u play in test? |
| 03:48.03 | Taintedwisp | ill do it tomorrow |
| 03:48.05 | Taintedwisp | I am tired |
| 03:48.07 | sharf | lol |
| 03:48.13 | sharf | why were you doing it as ints? |
| 03:48.16 | Taintedwisp | Tired of working on it today.. |
| 03:48.17 | sharf | any reason? |
| 03:48.24 | Taintedwisp | what you mean Ints? |
| 03:48.29 | sharf | you said |
| 03:48.36 | Taintedwisp | on integers |
| 03:48.37 | sharf | if >1 this, else if <1 this |
| 03:48.45 | Taintedwisp | Well I was thinking i could use the same variable, but I was wrong :P |
| 03:48.52 | sharf | for what? |
| 03:48.54 | sharf | each player? |
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| 03:49.05 | Bato | Hello |
| 03:49.08 | Taintedwisp | in my head at first it sounded right, but then I remembered that when each player does it it will break because each player needs to be able to add 1 |
| 03:49.11 | Taintedwisp | its a vote |
| 03:49.13 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 03:49.15 | Touk | JADE |
| 03:49.18 | sharf | well... |
| 03:49.27 | sharf | if pressed add 1 remove button? |
| 03:49.32 | Bato | Anyone know what makes the Griffon unit move around as it attacks instead of just sitting in one spot? |
| 03:49.43 | Taintedwisp | I know how to do it, just dont want to tonight :P |
| 03:49.47 | Taintedwisp | too tired |
| 03:49.49 | sharf | lol alright |
| 03:52.10 | Touk | Where jade? |
| 03:53.09 | Ownage | Bato, yeah I do |
| 03:53.37 | sharf | my computer is about to die of a stroke |
| 03:53.48 | Ownage | SJ Merc Fighter Wander, pretty sure |
| 03:53.53 | Ownage | behavior |
| 03:54.57 | Bato | I checked their behaviors, they don't have that one, at least not on my edited version |
| 03:55.32 | Ownage | I'm looking right at it |
| 03:55.37 | Bato | The griffon weapon has something called Loiter - maybe that is it |
| 03:55.50 | Bato | I know they do by default, but I removed that behavior from them |
| 04:00.34 | Ownage | just confirmed it's SJ Merc Fighter Wander |
| 04:01.35 | Bato | That makes them wander while out of combat, bot while attacking |
| 04:01.38 | Bato | I believe |
| 04:01.43 | Ownage | http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/470/capturegwb.png |
| 04:01.49 | Ownage | they are just sitting there now |
| 04:01.58 | Ownage | step 1 remove that behavior |
| 04:02.00 | Ownage | step 2 ???? |
| 04:02.05 | Ownage | step 3 profit |
| 04:02.07 | Bato | That is while they are idle |
| 04:02.25 | Bato | Apparently their weapon is a 'strafe' |
| 04:03.04 | Ownage | oh you're talking about attacking ohhhhh |
| 04:03.32 | Ownage | mover execute pattern maybe |
| 04:10.24 | Touk | where would i post to Query about getting testers? |
| 04:15.08 | Taintedwisp | There |
| 04:17.06 | Taintedwisp | Okay fuck this makes no sense |
| 04:17.10 | Taintedwisp | I changed everything to a boolean.. |
| 04:17.12 | Touk | night guys |
| 04:18.29 | Taintedwisp | I hate it sooo damn much it doesnt make any fucking senese |
| 04:18.36 | Taintedwisp | Its like its...OHHHHHH |
| 04:18.38 | Taintedwisp | i know why... |
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| 04:36.20 | twodie | morning |
| 04:36.38 | twodie | fucking dvdrom died and couldnt start pc :/ |
| 04:43.33 | Ownage | what the fuck is a dvd |
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| 05:34.32 | Reaperguyver | sooooooooooooo |
| 05:38.18 | twodie | suuuuuuuuuuup |
| 05:38.20 | twodie | NIGGA |
| 05:56.03 | Taintedwisp | RACIST BITCH |
| 06:07.57 | twodie | im a rainbow too |
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| 06:16.18 | Taintedwisp | Hey sixen you there? |
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| 07:01.24 | Taintedwisp | GET SOME |
| 07:01.56 | Taintedwisp | See all those ping time outs? I did that completely with my mind |
| 07:02.03 | Taintedwisp | watch jademusSreg will be next |
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| 07:26.14 | Kueken | Good Morning, New York! |
| 07:44.48 | Taintedwisp | BOOO |
| 07:44.51 | Taintedwisp | NEWYORK SUCKS |
| 07:44.59 | Taintedwisp | GO BACK TO CANADA |
| 07:45.05 | Taintedwisp | and take Jersey with you |
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| 08:33.14 | twodie | http://snag.gy/HPKQO.jpg |
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| 09:32.20 | Taintedwisp | hey zolden whats up |
| 09:32.45 | Zolden | hey |
| 09:32.51 | Zolden | i don't know, just woke up |
| 09:32.59 | Taintedwisp | well... go back to sleep :) |
| 09:33.00 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 09:33.21 | Taintedwisp | Dude I think I might be learning triggers pretty well, yesterday i created an entire vote system :) |
| 09:33.33 | Taintedwisp | so now I have all random, fog of war pre put in |
| 09:33.40 | Taintedwisp | Oh and no race selection |
| 09:33.42 | Zolden | still no signs of fucking spring, just fat snowdrifts cover everything |
| 09:33.44 | Taintedwisp | :)) |
| 09:33.52 | Taintedwisp | i want snow :( |
| 09:34.05 | Zolden | take some pls, sun can't handle it |
| 09:34.13 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 09:34.28 | Taintedwisp | you need to cause some global warming so the cold will shift to where I am |
| 09:34.29 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 09:34.35 | Zolden | well, vote system is a corner stone of triggering skill |
| 09:34.48 | Taintedwisp | i use toggleable buttons :) |
| 09:35.12 | Taintedwisp | which were a bit difficultto get to work |
| 09:35.13 | Taintedwisp | :)) |
| 09:35.32 | Zolden | it's not easy to cause a climate change like you ssaid and not kill 99% of the biosphere |
| 09:35.39 | Taintedwisp | :)) |
| 09:35.58 | Taintedwisp | Man I hope triceron gets some time and pops on soon :), I wanna talk to him :)) |
| 09:36.15 | Zolden | you want that ppop model? |
| 09:36.18 | Taintedwisp | wanna coerce him to let me use his Grunt, Footman, and DemonHunter for my map :P |
| 09:36.20 | Taintedwisp | not really |
| 09:36.33 | Taintedwisp | I wanna make them unlockable heroes |
| 09:36.37 | Zolden | first let him play it |
| 09:36.51 | Zolden | it may affect his decision to give you the models |
| 09:36.56 | Taintedwisp | true |
| 09:37.14 | Taintedwisp | I gotta put in a new system first, but I REALLY dont think my triggerering skill is good enough to do so |
| 09:37.15 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 09:37.24 | Taintedwisp | I think my entire evo system will have to be revamped |
| 09:37.39 | Zolden | or ask twodie to make you some cool models |
| 09:38.19 | Taintedwisp | nah I want the ones Trice made :) they are much nicer then anything on mapster I have seen |
| 09:38.34 | twodie | best one yet :P http://snag.gy/HPKQO.jpg |
| 09:38.38 | Taintedwisp | Plus he said he was going to release them all soon anyways, so I just wanna get them early so I can make some abilities |
| 09:38.52 | Taintedwisp | and implement them |
| 09:42.03 | Taintedwisp | I wanna use his models to take up the 5 spaces in the center of my map all with warcraft heroes |
| 09:42.10 | Taintedwisp | And on the Right side I will have the units I use as bosses. |
| 09:42.29 | Zolden | don't underestimate twodie, one day he will beat triceron |
| 09:42.42 | Zolden | put an invisible penis doodad |
| 09:42.53 | Zolden | which will only be visible in some specific situations |
| 09:43.18 | Zolden | for example, if any of players type "fuck you" |
| 09:43.38 | Zolden | then hhuge penises will be revealed all around the map |
| 09:43.47 | Zolden | for a few moments |
| 09:44.02 | Zolden | and then this cheat won't work (only once per game) |
| 09:44.38 | Zolden | each map needs easter balls |
| 09:45.25 | twodie | Zolden its soooooo time consuming no matter how good you are at making them |
| 09:45.33 | twodie | to make a quality model |
| 09:46.58 | Zolden | it's getting faster with every model you create |
| 09:47.30 | Zolden | also, it's much more interesting to create models from scratch |
| 09:47.37 | twodie | already with this skeleton model working about 8 hours.. At best I could made this in 5-6 hours if got better workflow and didnt got some diffuclties in the way |
| 09:47.53 | twodie | yeah about that faster models creation |
| 09:48.58 | twodie | So aok yesterday was in upcoming today its dead meat with 16 position of top rated |
| 09:51.34 | Zolden | skeleton doesn't loo made of bones |
| 09:52.31 | twodie | it sure isnt |
| 09:52.43 | twodie | it still uses the old wc3 model parts |
| 09:52.55 | twodie | edited one only |
| 09:53.05 | twodie | it works worse even in some parts |
| 09:57.32 | twodie | Zolden btw maybe you know why mesh turned red color? no matter if i change color of mesh or apply texture |
| 09:58.35 | Zolden | in max or in game? |
| 09:58.39 | twodie | max |
| 10:00.00 | Zolden | dunno then |
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| 10:03.57 | gooose | fuck :/ where is kueken when you need him |
| 10:07.48 | Zolden | ask me maybe |
| 10:07.51 | twodie | [10:38] == Kueken [~Kueken@brsg-4dbbdd9b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] |
| 10:08.24 | Zolden | twodie: your 10:38 says nothing to us |
| 10:08.32 | gooose | well |
| 10:08.37 | gooose | ok |
| 10:08.55 | twodie | It says that he ragequited |
| 10:08.57 | gooose | i have an ability pretty similar to his fireball |
| 10:09.16 | gooose | but i want the projectile to not be affected by terrain height |
| 10:09.41 | gooose | so i d have to create a persistent based on the position of the caster not the relative position from the ground |
| 10:12.20 | twodie | Zolden btw here is other porblem: http://snag.gy/SSUYo.jpg |
| 10:14.15 | Zolden | gooose: how do you create it ralatively to the ground? |
| 10:14.39 | gooose | well it follows the terrain height |
| 10:14.45 | gooose | i dont want that |
| 10:16.06 | Zolden | what exactly dictates it to follow terrain height? |
| 10:16.21 | gooose | i shoot the missile at a persistent |
| 10:16.33 | Taintedwisp | EAT POOP |
| 10:16.35 | gooose | if the persistent is on the height of the caster it doesnt |
| 10:16.45 | gooose | if it is lower it ll follow the terrain |
| 10:16.48 | Zolden | you want missile to be destroyed if it "collides" with a hill, right? |
| 10:16.58 | gooose | no i have that already |
| 10:17.07 | Zolden | what do you wnat then? |
| 10:17.08 | gooose | i want the missile to not change its height |
| 10:17.18 | gooose | aka ignore terrain height on units |
| 10:17.51 | Zolden | ok, i don't know how to do it |
| 10:19.46 | gooose | i m just trying every target location on the createpersistent ^^ |
| 10:20.54 | Zolden | not sure it will affect height\ |
| 10:21.19 | Zolden | maybe set the ignore terrain height for missile unit? |
| 10:21.19 | gooose | neither am i |
| 10:21.25 | gooose | i did that already |
| 10:21.35 | gooose | it s still flying towards the persistent |
| 10:23.10 | gooose | what does caster outer point mean actually? ^^ |
| 10:24.48 | Zolden | never found a use for it |
| 10:27.49 | gooose | but what would it do |
| 10:28.47 | Zolden | dunno |
| 10:44.30 | gooose | could it be soemthing in the mover? |
| 10:44.40 | gooose | i m using the punisher grenades one right now |
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| 10:55.07 | gooose | the f**** i enabled ignore terrain in the mover and its still following the terrain |
| 10:56.20 | twodie | Zolden do you may have idea why birth animation completes it hides again underground for half sec and pops up normal later. Animation starts underground. |
| 10:58.02 | Zolden | check non-looping |
| 10:58.33 | Zolden | also make sure that final key isn't the underground one |
| 11:00.35 | twodie | oh right, |
| 11:02.14 | Taintedwisp | \6060606060 |
| 11:02.20 | Taintedwisp | 50505050505 |
| 11:05.57 | cornotahti | Taintedwisp and I are gay lovers |
| 11:12.40 | twodie | Zolden do you know how to hide mesh in animation? |
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| 11:15.11 | twodie | wow finally they fixed custom footprints in editor |
| 11:26.35 | Zolden | twodie: easies way is to scale it down |
| 11:26.53 | Zolden | abother way - uv shift to the black alpha area |
| 11:27.23 | twodie | ? |
| 11:27.25 | Zolden | or set alpha mask to color layer and animate its alpha |
| 11:27.47 | Zolden | or move udnerground |
| 11:27.47 | twodie | ohh |
| 11:27.58 | Zolden | fixing footprints is a good thing |
| 11:28.10 | twodie | no its done somehow other way |
| 11:28.17 | twodie | in wc3 iunnits animtaions |
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| 11:45.47 | twodie | http://snag.gy/aMyIE.jpg |
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| 11:48.43 | Lakshun | yo |
| 11:51.43 | twodie | http://snag.gy/aMyIE.jpg |
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| 12:04.35 | twodie | http://snag.gy/P5uJC.jpg |
| 12:07.38 | gooose | how do i make an effect that searches for the closest target to a location? the only way i know is a search effect with increasing radius, but that would enable it to hit 2 targets in a worst case |
| 12:08.27 | twodie | .you can set the amount of targets will get effected |
| 12:09.07 | gooose | maximum count = 1= |
| 12:09.08 | gooose | ? |
| 12:10.15 | gooose | maximum count in search + or in the areas ? |
| 12:10.23 | Lakshun | WarCraft: Heart of the Swarm,? |
| 12:10.53 | gooose | but does this really target the closest one? |
| 12:11.53 | twodie | it should |
| 12:12.18 | twodie | just noticed that all resource icons i created contains same thing of 3 :D |
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| 12:15.59 | gooose | yea it does :) |
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| 12:17.31 | twodie | yeah aok back to upcoming, top rated 15 |
| 12:18.29 | Lakshun | quick question, why are there always "duplicate" units? |
| 12:18.51 | Lakshun | for example 3 melee units named "Thor" |
| 12:19.25 | Lakshun | and do I need several units for a new unit as well? |
| 12:20.33 | Zolden | gooose: max count for set effect should be set outside of areas+ field |
| 12:20.35 | twodie | Zolden and marine Death animations have hidden mesh parts |
| 12:20.49 | gooose | yea i did that ^^ |
| 12:20.57 | gooose | just wanted to be sure |
| 12:21.01 | Zolden | is it uses something i didn't mention - tell me what it is |
| 12:21.39 | Zolden | gooose: and if you wnat you can add a target sort to decide what targets to affect first |
| 12:21.56 | gooose | it seems to target the closest one anyways |
| 12:22.12 | Zolden | yea, by default it is |
| 12:22.14 | gooose | i lll probably need a target sort for my hcain lightning though ^^ |
| 12:22.35 | gooose | or i ll just copy blizzards huge ass thing and try to figure out where to stuff my damage ^^ |
| 12:23.30 | Zolden | if your aim is to learn stuff, it may be recommended to create complex effects from scratch following tutorials, like you did with fireball |
| 12:25.27 | Lakshun | can anyone tell me how to add weapons to a units? I cannot find any property for the unit nor the weapon that looks like it would link, the two |
| 12:25.32 | gooose | my intention is to create a map thats not so boring/uninspired like the rest of the arcade |
| 12:25.55 | gooose | right now my biggest problem is the missile following the terrain ^^ |
| 12:27.12 | Zolden | Lakshun: units have weapons+ field |
| 12:27.55 | twodie | Zolden Visibility of mesh in curve editor value true or false |
| 12:28.10 | twodie | now looking at peasant model |
| 12:30.07 | Lakshun | and where can I find that link? |
| 12:30.48 | gooose | is there a sound that asks "what" or expresses anything confused /starteling etc? |
| 12:33.29 | gooose | i guess i ll just use "pissed" |
| 12:46.10 | Lakshun | out of desperation I tried simply adding more xml elements |
| 12:46.15 | Lakshun | does require more turrets |
| 12:46.21 | Lakshun | >_> |
| 12:46.51 | Lakshun | seriously, where is that +weapon link? or for that matter, any kind of link that lets me added a linked object to something? |
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| 12:49.27 | Lakshun | finally found it |
| 12:49.42 | Lakshun | was looking in the left treeview with the list |
| 12:49.55 | Lakshun | for god knows what ,reason you cannot add something there, only in the data view |
| 12:50.51 | Zolden | Lakshun: basic editor tutorial would help you |
| 12:51.49 | Lakshun | actually, the + sign was just expanding the view >_> |
| 12:53.04 | Lakshun | all the vide links on the wiki are down |
| 12:54.43 | Lakshun | and they're old, the editor got an overhaul in the mean time and controls are changed |
| 12:57.10 | gooose | ok serioulsy is there no "surprise" sound ????? |
| 12:57.56 | twodie | http://snag.gy/EfsAM.jpg |
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| 13:13.34 | turtles | gooose - Each of the units has it's own "what?" sound |
| 13:13.47 | turtles | for when you select them |
| 13:14.00 | gooose | noo i want them to actually say "what" or smth like that |
| 13:14.19 | gooose | so as if they dont know what you mean |
| 13:14.32 | turtles | I'm sure there are a few "huh?", and "yes?" sounds |
| 13:14.54 | turtles | I don't know what units they belong to though |
| 13:15.58 | turtles | there are the sound files for the campaigns in the campaign missions. maybe you could play a section of one of those |
| 13:16.03 | gooose | well im currently using scv attack which is pretty close to what i want |
| 13:16.08 | turtles | have you tried importing a sound file? |
| 13:16.45 | gooose | naa scv atck is good enough but there is room for improvement ^^ |
| 13:16.48 | turtles | I've only worked with image files but it was pretty easy to use pictures i got from the web |
| 13:16.57 | turtles | ok :) |
| 13:17.04 | gooose | which gan get your map banned |
| 13:17.08 | gooose | *can |
| 13:18.42 | turtles | not if they are under a free to distribute |
| 13:19.02 | turtles | such as under copyleft or other "free" liscences |
| 13:20.04 | turtles | If you steal something then the origional creator could complain and Blizz would have to remove it and possibly ban your account |
| 13:20.44 | turtles | but if it is under a free distribution liscence then you automatically have permission from the creator |
| 13:37.34 | gooose | can you add more than 8 abilities to a unit? |
| 13:38.01 | Dustin|Work | I dont see why not |
| 13:38.11 | Dustin|Work | I think you're only restricted by Command Card Space |
| 13:38.13 | gooose | tells me too many abilities |
| 13:38.23 | Dustin|Work | Really? hmmm |
| 13:38.26 | gooose | there are subcars :) |
| 13:38.29 | Zolden | 32 щк 64 шы ьфч |
| 13:38.37 | Zolden | 32 or 64 is max |
| 13:38.44 | Dustin|Work | Last I knew you were only restricted to how many command cards the unit had |
| 13:38.52 | Zolden | who tells you too many abilities |
| 13:38.56 | Dustin|Work | Didnt the increase command card limit though |
| 13:39.03 | Dustin|Work | s/the/they |
| 13:40.22 | Zolden | also, if a unt has morph ability, morphed units' abils will be summarized |
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| 13:55.06 | gooose | 4 7 10 13 |
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| 14:05.05 | gooose | how do i make one levelability level 2 abilities at once? |
| 14:10.17 | gooose | noone knows??? |
| 14:12.42 | Zolden | forum is sfull of great tutorials, which are much more useful for noobs than asking in chat |
| 14:14.00 | gooose | i didnt find one for that cause when i was searching |
| 14:16.25 | gooose | so if you think you do know one please be so kind and provide a link |
| 14:21.23 | gooose | guess you dont know one as well huh |
| 14:22.56 | Dustin|Work | I don't even know if that's possible with straight data |
| 14:23.01 | Dustin|Work | Never done it or seen anyone do it |
| 14:24.41 | gooose | mh... |
| 14:24.47 | gooose | it was possible in wc3 |
| 14:25.59 | Dustin|Work | This isn't wc3 :P |
| 14:26.30 | gooose | yea i know but downgrading something... oh wait shitty inventory, shitty stacking ok i take it back |
| 14:27.36 | Dustin|Work | Different people coded the WC3 Editor that coded the SC2 Edtior, and SC2 campaign doesnt use items/inventory/stacking, so the fact that they put them in there at all is nice :P |
| 14:27.58 | Dustin|Work | This isn't a game engine, if they didn't need it for the campaign they probably didnt spend alot of time on it |
| 14:28.01 | gooose | well they couldve just copied stuff ^^ |
| 14:28.13 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 14:28.21 | gooose | there are some data corpses form the campaign |
| 14:28.26 | Dustin|Work | Different Engines make that a little unreasonable |
| 14:28.30 | gooose | items were planned apparently in WoL |
| 14:30.03 | gooose | so what event responds to unit learns ability..... i m currently using a workaround making ability2level = abilityusedlevel but the other button wont show up until the forst is used |
| 14:31.14 | Dustin|Work | I think it's just Unit Uses Ability at Whatever Stage |
| 14:31.29 | Dustin|Work | And then you can Ability = Triggering Ability |
| 14:31.31 | gooose | thats the one i m using right now ^^ |
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| 14:32.10 | Touk | I AM HERE |
| 14:32.48 | gooose | great :) help me |
| 14:33.10 | Touk | no thank ;) |
| 14:33.42 | Touk | forum so inactive T__T |
| 14:33.50 | Touk | my 2 posts still no replies T___T |
| 14:33.54 | Touk | T_______T |
| 14:34.22 | Zolden | attach image with boobs to attract more attention |
| 14:34.37 | Dustin|Work | ( . Y . ) |
| 14:34.46 | Touk | hmmm |
| 14:34.57 | Touk | i do have 3d artwork i did of naked busty women |
| 14:35.08 | Touk | i guess i could attempt to try and put that along with my posts |
| 14:35.10 | Touk | :3 |
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| 14:39.46 | Touk | hello tomura |
| 14:39.50 | Touk | Silence |
| 14:39.52 | Touk | SILENCE |
| 14:40.02 | Tomura | hi |
| 14:41.17 | Touk | how are u |
| 14:41.19 | gooose | uhm ok.... my trigger is working but i want the ability to not be aviable.... so another requirement |
| 14:42.21 | Touk | i see |
| 14:46.38 | gooose | k working as intended now |
| 14:47.00 | Touk | O_O |
| 14:47.09 | Touk | my unit explodes in angry |
| 14:47.12 | Touk | killing 5 other units |
| 14:50.05 | gooose | is there an action making a unit "use" a learn ability..... i dont think so... so one more requirement for all my abilities |
| 14:50.20 | Touk | make a tick statement |
| 14:50.21 | Touk | ;) |
| 14:50.30 | gooose | ? |
| 14:50.48 | Touk | periodic event |
| 14:51.05 | Touk | that u enable when u need it to check for stuff |
| 14:51.07 | gooose | naa event is map initialization |
| 14:51.08 | Touk | than turn off when u don't |
| 14:51.24 | Touk | o |
| 14:51.27 | Touk | o |
| 14:51.30 | gooose | i want the ability level of an ability to be one at start |
| 14:51.52 | gooose | i m just gonna add one skillpoint in my learn ability and require level 2 for all other abilities |
| 14:52.11 | Touk | zzzzzz |
| 14:52.19 | Touk | my unit war map owns |
| 14:52.27 | Touk | once i get the data in |
| 14:54.03 | gooose | ah fuck it not gonna do that with all my abilities |
| 14:54.03 | Touk | I make shit explode |
| 14:54.08 | Touk | O_O |
| 14:54.14 | Touk | gooose |
| 14:54.16 | Touk | can i eat u |
| 14:54.20 | gooose | fuck those stupid ppl who dont level that ability first |
| 14:54.21 | Touk | i am hungry for goose |
| 14:54.22 | Touk | :3 |
| 14:54.27 | gooose | yea later right now i need my wings |
| 14:54.48 | Touk | why not just do ur abilty leveling through code |
| 14:54.48 | Touk | and jsut give abilties |
| 14:54.48 | Touk | at levels |
| 14:54.52 | Touk | instead of leveling them? |
| 14:56.02 | gooose | naa i m making a wc3 like leveling system |
| 14:56.16 | Touk | why not make a wow one |
| 14:56.18 | Touk | T_T |
| 14:56.20 | Touk | wow better |
| 14:56.21 | Touk | do wow |
| 14:56.22 | gooose | i do have a (slightly buggy XD ) stacking system |
| 14:56.31 | Dustin|Work | wow has a horrible ability system |
| 14:56.32 | gooose | wow is already coded |
| 14:56.46 | Touk | wow is already coded ? |
| 14:56.48 | gooose | there is a wow inventory just search for "test hero" |
| 14:56.57 | gooose | and 2 potions |
| 14:57.01 | Touk | in sc2? |
| 14:57.11 | gooose | called "test potion instant" and "test potion target" |
| 14:57.13 | gooose | yea |
| 14:57.23 | Touk | i only use melee dependencies |
| 14:57.28 | gooose | just enter "test" in the unit tab |
| 14:57.30 | Touk | i don't like other crap in my data editor |
| 14:57.42 | Touk | id love no dependencies |
| 14:57.46 | gooose | yea its from the campaign |
| 14:57.47 | Touk | but that not possible T__T |
| 14:57.55 | Touk | wol or hots |
| 14:58.08 | gooose | wol |
| 14:58.18 | gooose | Unit NameSource#Object FamilyRaceObject Type Test HeroLiberty.SC2Campaign1236(None)NeutralUnit |
| 14:58.39 | Touk | why do u want a wc3 leveling system? |
| 14:58.42 | Touk | it sorta limiting |
| 14:58.48 | gooose | why not? |
| 14:58.55 | gooose | whats limiting about it |
| 14:58.56 | Touk | ur limited abilties wise |
| 14:59.04 | Touk | a d3 or wow system |
| 14:59.09 | gooose | only until you level ^^ |
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| 14:59.15 | Touk | allows for more abilties |
| 14:59.18 | gooose | yea d3 would be nice but it isnt right for my map |
| 14:59.20 | Touk | and interactive choose |
| 14:59.28 | Touk | d3 isn't right for a rpg? |
| 14:59.35 | gooose | i m not doing an rpg |
| 14:59.53 | Touk | what are u doing? |
| 15:00.04 | gooose | a ship battle map with manually triggered fire |
| 15:00.10 | Touk | lame |
| 15:00.16 | Touk | wc3 battleship map was the best |
| 15:00.20 | Touk | cause it auto trageted |
| 15:00.21 | Touk | and fired |
| 15:00.22 | Touk | :3 |
| 15:00.24 | Touk | loved that map |
| 15:00.28 | Touk | DEATH TO ALL SHIPS |
| 15:00.40 | Touk | I am the IronClad ss Dingy |
| 15:00.56 | gooose | go play starbattle if you like autotargeting ^^ |
| 15:01.38 | gooose | well this is what i m doing right now: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/18476-making-a-custom-ability-and-dont-know-how/?page=4#p79 |
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| 15:03.37 | Touk | that not ur game |
| 15:03.39 | Touk | that a forum post |
| 15:04.23 | gooose | well its what my game will be based around |
| 15:05.27 | gooose | if you can help with anything that has not [DONE] behind it i d apreciate it if you see [stuck] anywhere and you know a solution ... tell meeehhhh |
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| 15:09.34 | Touk | i see |
| 15:09.46 | Touk | i can't help i only code and do terrain |
| 15:09.53 | Touk | and stare at data editor and make faces at it |
| 15:14.57 | gooose | well ^^ then i dont see why you cant help me :P |
| 15:16.06 | Touk | cause i have my own map? and need to find testers for it lol |
| 15:16.24 | Dustin|Work | What is YOUR map Touk! |
| 15:16.37 | Touk | :O Touk Awesome Worship me Arena |
| 15:16.43 | Touk | lool |
| 15:17.26 | Touk | it a Unit Arena Styled map with more interesting upgrades and terrian... along with customizable heroes |
| 15:17.52 | Touk | trying to find 5 to 11 people by next week to test the first release |
| 15:18.17 | Dustin|Work | Ah cool |
| 15:18.30 | Dustin|Work | Horrible name :P |
| 15:18.34 | gooose | sounds ok eu? |
| 15:18.56 | Touk | lol I know the name sucks that why i am not releasing it |
| 15:19.11 | Touk | god forbid if that got popular id look like the biggest ahole on the planet |
| 15:19.18 | Touk | with that name |
| 15:19.26 | gooose | ^^ |
| 15:19.59 | Dustin|Work | lol ya |
| 15:20.13 | gooose | gotta rename my map to "worship the almighty gooose by bringing dead ducks ship battle" |
| 15:20.46 | Touk | Touk's Unit War's |
| 15:21.14 | Touk | need to come up with a brand so when i release maps the name gets them popular nothing to do with gameplay |
| 15:21.14 | Zolden | i'll name my map Penis Attack |
| 15:21.15 | Touk | lol |
| 15:22.09 | Touk | Touk's Arena Frenzy |
| 15:22.49 | gooose | name it OkuT´s arena frenzy |
| 15:23.12 | Touk | kout's Arena Frenzy |
| 15:23.22 | gooose | naa thats simply reversed |
| 15:23.38 | Touk | Ill Name it Hunter's Arena Wars |
| 15:23.43 | Touk | cause my name hunter |
| 15:23.48 | Touk | and that bad ass |
| 15:24.05 | gooose | syntax *cough* |
| 15:24.33 | Touk | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/player-zone/map-feedback/50696-testers-wanted-unit-arena/#p1 |
| 15:24.35 | Touk | T___T |
| 15:24.39 | Touk | Still nno replies |
| 15:24.53 | gooose | EU ? |
| 15:25.05 | Touk | Eu? |
| 15:25.07 | Touk | no america |
| 15:25.11 | gooose | naaa |
| 15:25.24 | Touk | why would i publish it on EU? |
| 15:25.38 | gooose | because i m too lazy to log into NA ? |
| 15:25.51 | Touk | iosn't it just switching regions? |
| 15:25.56 | gooose | yea |
| 15:26.00 | gooose | lazy |
| 15:26.22 | Touk | lol |
| 15:26.38 | gooose | does it always take one minute to load the units tab of behaviors... ? |
| 15:27.15 | Touk | mnotr on my pc's |
| 15:28.09 | gooose | i mean serioulsy whats taking so long.... loading the gray background??? |
| 15:29.07 | Touk | how do u see foliage? |
| 15:29.14 | gooose | or did i forget to delete the while(forceusertobuynewPcmode=true){load} |
| 15:29.23 | Dustin|Work | The editor has to maintain thousands and thousands of links in the data editor, that's why it's so slow |
| 15:29.27 | gooose | eyes? |
| 15:30.06 | Touk | the folliage isn't apearing |
| 15:30.11 | Touk | but apparentl generate 4000 |
| 15:30.12 | Touk | -_- |
| 15:31.50 | twodie | tes |
| 15:31.51 | twodie | t |
| 15:31.52 | twodie | test |
| 15:31.58 | twodie | end of test |
| 15:31.59 | Dustin|Work | ... |
| 15:32.05 | Touk | http://imgur.com/HFkiY29 |
| 15:32.13 | Touk | T_________T |
| 15:32.18 | twodie | http://snag.gy/P5uJC.jpg |
| 15:32.19 | Touk | TwoDie |
| 15:32.20 | Touk | is amazing |
| 15:32.26 | Dustin|Work | That's not even a dace damnit :P |
| 15:32.28 | Dustin|Work | face |
| 15:32.56 | Touk | why u try to compare that to mine |
| 15:33.00 | Touk | doens't even look as pretty |
| 15:33.40 | twodie | yours? yeah it doenst :/ |
| 15:33.54 | Touk | loool |
| 15:33.56 | Touk | ur joking funny |
| 15:35.15 | gooose | you need to set at least medium graphics for oliage to show |
| 15:35.25 | Touk | i am on extreme |
| 15:35.26 | Touk | -_- |
| 15:35.28 | Touk | try again |
| 15:35.42 | gooose | then your fucked |
| 15:36.12 | twodie | your? |
| 15:37.31 | gooose | e |
| 15:37.45 | Dustin|Work | ' |
| 15:37.52 | twodie | : |
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| 15:38.43 | Dustin|Work | ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
| 15:39.46 | Touk | is there a way to control lighting ? |
| 15:40.44 | ckSynergy | yes? |
| 15:40.45 | Touk | found it |
| 15:41.02 | Almaity | k, fairly random question: How to change the tiling frequency of terrain textures? Some guy just messaged me about it |
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| 15:47.24 | Almaity | nvm, found it |
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| 16:05.53 | gooose | seriously... i need to make a requirement for each level for a simply passive hp regeneration ability ... wtf |
| 16:07.43 | gooose | or am i not seeing something? |
| 16:07.53 | Dustin|Work | Each level |
| 16:08.01 | gooose | i m using a countability eaqual to constant requirement |
| 16:08.06 | Almaity | why not just use a trigger that changes the HP regen of a unit after using the "learn" ability? (Or can a single player have multiple of those units?) |
| 16:08.47 | gooose | no only one but that unit will change, so i dont quite want that donw with triggers ^^ |
| 16:09.24 | gooose | uhm almaity do you know how to make a missile (similar to kuekens fireball) not follow the terrain? |
| 16:09.44 | gooose | i do have to add all those behaviors to the unit right? |
| 16:09.47 | Almaity | not follow the terrain as in not go up/down cliffs or ignore terraing heigh? |
| 16:10.00 | gooose | ignore terain height they collide with cliffs |
| 16:10.10 | Dustin|Work | There's a flag |
| 16:10.28 | gooose | naa thats not working |
| 16:10.35 | gooose | i m shooting at a persistent |
| 16:10.58 | Dustin|Work | I had alot of problems with trying to work around the terrain shit in the editor with data missles |
| 16:11.07 | gooose | and the persistent is created on the terrain height and i dont know how to change that |
| 16:11.08 | Dustin|Work | Esp with Target Z position |
| 16:11.24 | gooose | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/18476-making-a-custom-ability-and-dont-know-how/?page=4#posts |
| 16:11.30 | gooose | i want it to ignore Z |
| 16:11.44 | Almaity | yea, there seems to be an "Ignore Terrain Height" flag in the units tab |
| 16:11.50 | gooose | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/18476-making-a-custom-ability-and-dont-know-how/?page=4#p79 |
| 16:11.55 | gooose | i checked that |
| 16:12.02 | gooose | didnt do anything |
| 16:12.33 | Almaity | Don't know then, never had need for this so I never tried |
| 16:13.08 | gooose | i tried modifying the mover to track the target in 2d but that didnt work either |
| 16:13.18 | gooose | i hope kueken knows :) |
| 16:15.50 | gooose | so i need to do this for each level: add the behavior to the unit create a requirement comparing levelscompleted to a constant correct? |
| 16:17.40 | Touk | http://imgur.com/ZhrAIqI |
| 16:17.49 | Touk | http://imgur.com/HFkiY29 |
| 16:18.28 | gooose | i guess so else you ppl would jump at me :) |
| 16:18.35 | Touk | which one u like better |
| 16:18.48 | Touk | z or h |
| 16:19.57 | gooose | is there something like a set for behaviors so i dont have to add all of the buffbehaviors individually? |
| 16:20.36 | Touk | answer the question goose |
| 16:20.36 | Touk | :O |
| 16:20.39 | Dustin|Work | Not that I'm aware of |
| 16:20.48 | Dustin|Work | You can do a set of apply behaviors |
| 16:20.56 | Dustin|Work | But you'll have to have one apply for each buff |
| 16:20.58 | gooose | h |
| 16:21.29 | gooose | mh.... its a passive ability |
| 16:21.35 | JohannVon | Dustin|Work: did you know that Taintedwisp and I are gay lovers. |
| 16:21.45 | gooose | great for you |
| 16:21.46 | Dustin|Work | Yes |
| 16:21.57 | Dustin|Work | I mean, who wouldn't know that Tainted was a closet gay |
| 16:22.06 | Dustin|Work | that's all we talk about when he's not here |
| 16:22.07 | gooose | so i DO have to add every single one of them to the unit... |
| 16:22.21 | Almaity | Touk: First one (Light blue) looks prettier, second one (Greenish) fits in better with the terrain, what I'd pick depends on how you want your map to look :p |
| 16:22.25 | gooose | fluttershyyaaay |
| 16:23.07 | Touk | lool i am going for pretty and feel |
| 16:23.09 | JademusSreg | Pew. |
| 16:23.25 | Almaity | Then I'd go for the first, looks prettier imo. |
| 16:23.44 | Zolden | yea, blue is prettier |
| 16:25.25 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 16:26.10 | Touk | Jade? |
| 16:26.13 | Touk | question |
| 16:27.04 | gooose | so if ANYONE finds a solution to my missilefollowsterrain roblem please tell me asap |
| 16:27.20 | JademusSreg | Inquiry Launch Detected. |
| 16:27.52 | A1win | what's the Leave League button in ladder UI? |
| 16:29.06 | JohannVon | A1win: nukkua seems to imply the existence of a verb nukkaa which would mean to put someone to sleep or somehing |
| 16:29.10 | JohannVon | BUT IT DEOSN'T |
| 16:29.10 | JademusSreg | Goo, provide all relevant information, starting with the design (what it is intended to do in non-technical terms), followed by how it is behaving instead, and then as much data as you can make available from the data/triggers which relate to the issue. |
| 16:29.15 | JohannVon | Why not? |
| 16:29.16 | JademusSreg | What's up Touk? |
| 16:30.25 | A1win | hukkua - hukuttaa (to drown, to drown someone) |
| 16:30.38 | A1win | nukkua - nukuttaa (to sleep, to feel sleepy) |
| 16:30.47 | A1win | or to put someone to sleep |
| 16:31.09 | A1win | I don't know why it'd imply what you said D: |
| 16:31.25 | A1win | there are no other verbs like that either |
| 16:31.27 | gooose | ok i m using an ability like this http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/37/132/Projectiles.SC2Map |
| 16:31.39 | gooose | using the punisher grenades mover |
| 16:31.52 | gooose | no triggers are involved with that issue |
| 16:32.08 | JademusSreg | Ah, action actor issue. |
| 16:32.12 | JohannVon | A1win: yeah that works in reverse |
| 16:32.25 | JohannVon | But like ehh, |
| 16:32.30 | JohannVon | nähdä -> näkyä |
| 16:32.48 | JohannVon | Or sirtää -> sirtyä it is I believe |
| 16:32.55 | gooose | if the max range( location of the persistent created) is lower than the casters height the missile follows the terrain and as soon as the projectile can draw a straight line to the persistent it homes in |
| 16:32.59 | A1win | there are so many different ways to form verbs that there's no reason one rule would have to apply to all of them |
| 16:33.06 | gooose | it should fly straight ahead and never change height |
| 16:33.08 | JademusSreg | Your action actor needs the launch and impact effect tokens set, and the missile field set properly. |
| 16:33.22 | JohannVon | A1win: yeah, but you can do this with pretty much any transitive verb in theory. |
| 16:33.31 | JademusSreg | Then reset to default the actor events so they update the token values correctly. |
| 16:33.35 | JohannVon | Like ehh, rakastaa -> rakastua, in theory. |
| 16:33.42 | JohannVon | to love -> to be loved |
| 16:34.04 | JohannVon | Oh, it even exists and means something totally different |
| 16:34.06 | JohannVon | your language sucks |
| 16:34.15 | A1win | "nukkua" doesn't belong to that "*tua" category |
| 16:34.27 | JohannVon | Neither does näkyä |
| 16:34.33 | JademusSreg | Rakinishu. Fallen One. |
| 16:34.47 | JohannVon | I'm pretty sure -yä/-ua is the controlling part |
| 16:34.47 | gooose | i do have an launch an impact and an unit actor |
| 16:35.15 | A1win | the double consonant probably affects it |
| 16:35.30 | Almaity | gah, anyone know any fixes for missiles/beams hitting the floor instead of the points or even site ops I put into the action/beam actor? |
| 16:35.30 | A1win | it just doesn't sound right I guess |
| 16:35.53 | JademusSreg | Alm, what are you trying to make it do? |
| 16:36.01 | JademusSreg | Goo, share your data or gg. |
| 16:36.05 | Almaity | Im just trying to make it hit anything except the floor :p |
| 16:36.10 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 16:36.34 | JademusSreg | The impact op needs a SOpAttachHarness for starters. Does it have that? |
| 16:37.28 | Almaity | Action actor or beam actor? Can I leave beam stuff at the default ops? |
| 16:37.36 | Almaity | (default being none) |
| 16:38.44 | JademusSreg | Action, yeah. |
| 16:39.08 | Almaity | ingame screenshot if necessray: http://i.imgur.com/Rt2T7f0.jpg |
| 16:39.33 | JohannVon | A1win: you and your language are evi you hear me |
| 16:39.34 | JohannVon | EVIL |
| 16:39.37 | JohannVon | PAHÄÄ |
| 16:39.38 | A1win | ;p |
| 16:39.55 | JohannVon | Kieleni on pähää |
| 16:40.01 | JohannVon | suomalaiset on pähiä |
| 16:40.07 | JohannVon | kaikin pyhin |
| 16:40.10 | Almaity | k, trying it out with "Impact Point Site Operations" set to harness |
| 16:40.26 | JademusSreg | Alm, Er, that my be the issue. |
| 16:40.40 | JademusSreg | consults the vast archive of extracted data. |
| 16:41.53 | JademusSreg | Sentry beam, for instance, uses <ImpactSiteOps Ops="SOpAttachHarness SOpAttachVolumeNoVizEnhance SOpForwardLaunchGuide"/> |
| 16:42.23 | JademusSreg | May also want <ActionFlags index="LaunchForceSite" value="1"/> |
| 16:42.45 | JademusSreg | Since that helps the beam attach to the side closest to the attacker. |
| 16:42.46 | gooose | my editor just died :) |
| 16:43.11 | Zolden | Almaity: check the model in cse, if it has attachments like target or center |
| 16:43.13 | JohannVon | A1win: mä haluan että sä kuolet, pähä suomalainen |
| 16:43.26 | Almaity | It does have attachments |
| 16:43.29 | A1win | what's "pähä"? ;p |
| 16:43.31 | Almaity | other weapons work fine against it |
| 16:43.40 | JohannVon | A1win: isn' that evil? |
| 16:43.44 | A1win | "paha" |
| 16:43.53 | JohannVon | Meh |
| 16:43.59 | JohannVon | I'm just make it pyhy |
| 16:44.05 | JohannVon | Don't give a shit about vowels. |
| 16:44.07 | Zolden | then try to use site operation like SOpAttachTarget |
| 16:44.26 | JohannVon | Suomalaiset on pyhyjä |
| 16:44.26 | gooose | heil kräuter kartoffelsalat roe rüben |
| 16:44.29 | A1win | if you swap all aou to äöy you sound like a stereotypical homosexual man |
| 16:44.29 | JohannVon | JA |
| 16:44.39 | JohannVon | Really? |
| 16:44.42 | JohannVon | They do that? |
| 16:44.50 | JohannVon | Can I swap i to e too? |
| 16:44.59 | A1win | no |
| 16:45.10 | A1win | i and e are "neutral" in that way |
| 16:45.28 | A1win | also, one word only uses either aou or äöu (with some few exceptions) |
| 16:46.10 | A1win | äöy are called the "front voewls" and aou the "back voewls" |
| 16:46.17 | A1win | because of where the sound is made in your mouth ;p |
| 16:50.04 | A1win | (in Finnish pronunciation, different languages pronounce them in different ways so it varies) |
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| 16:52.49 | Almaity | well, none of that seemed to work |
| 16:53.31 | Zolden | Almaity: check colossus model, there is something attachments related |
| 16:53.53 | Zolden | try to add the same to your model |
| 16:53.56 | Almaity | I checked the mothership (As that beam actuall targets units, colossus hits ground) and used its field |
| 16:54.57 | Zolden | attack a marine with this beam, will it attack ground or body? |
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| 16:58.50 | Dogmai | ~seen blizz-deletarius |
| 16:59.02 | purl | blizz-deletarius <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 35d 46m 51s ago, saying: 'I believe it is possible, but I'm not exactly sure which actor message it is'. |
| 16:59.02 | Almaity | missiles and beams still hit floor |
| 16:59.02 | Dogmai | ~seen blizz-artestru |
| 16:59.02 | purl | blizz-artestru <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 10d 16h 18m 37s ago, saying: 'Kueken|afk: If you have ever played an RTS probably not. But that doesn't mean some people won't find it the appropriate challenge.'. |
| 16:59.08 | Almaity | impact models play on appropriate impact points though |
| 17:01.37 | Zolden | And you have "sop attach harness" in attack actor's Impact site ops field? |
| 17:03.07 | Almaity | yup |
| 17:03.19 | Almaity | apart from "impact map" Im using default values |
| 17:05.32 | Zolden | and what about effect's impact point? do they target units? |
| 17:06.09 | Almaity | Well, it was at the default unit/point for damage, persistent was unit though, gonna try changing that... |
| 17:07.12 | Almaity | ...and now the beam won't show up at all... |
| 17:07.24 | gooose | ok jade here it is http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/37/453/map.SC2Map |
| 17:07.48 | Zolden | what about missile, do you launch to unit? |
| 17:07.55 | JademusSreg | Great. I'll look at it when I'm not busy./ |
| 17:08.14 | gooose | did you dl it ? |
| 17:08.14 | Almaity | Yup |
| 17:08.38 | gooose | all you have to do to see what i mean is select the drone and press W |
| 17:09.11 | gooose | there are also some effects that are not used i adress those via trigger in my main map, but you can ignore them :) |
| 17:10.38 | gooose | it wont be an issue if i dont do terrain though :) |
| 17:11.35 | Zolden | Almaity: show me a screen of your events of the beam attack action |
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| 17:16.18 | Kubi | oooo UnitStatusBar Tutorials |
| 17:17.31 | Almaity | http://i.imgur.com/FKyVGqr.png |
| 17:18.49 | twodie | http://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3mVj8AK67_c&session_token=6wj0GoOHyyjIU-afgk9u95IRs-x8MTM2NDU5MTg1OEAxMzY0NTc3NDU4 |
| 17:18.57 | twodie | heh :D |
| 17:19.14 | twodie | http://youtu.be/3mVj8AK67_c |
| 17:20.01 | Zolden | Almaity: try to replace the last event with this: effect.your damage effect.start -> create |
| 17:22.58 | Zolden | twodie: yea, last week brought alot of snow |
| 17:23.55 | Almaity | Didn't work >.> |
| 17:23.56 | Almaity | brb |
| 17:24.47 | gooose | is there a way to change the name of a behavior shown in game above the tooltip without changing the actual behavior´s name? |
| 17:27.21 | gooose | sup that means no? |
| 17:27.22 | gooose | shit |
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| 17:33.23 | Ownage | yes |
| 17:33.54 | Ownage | I have many units which all have the exact same ability, which I change the icon, name, tooltip and cost of |
| 17:34.03 | Ownage | you can use catalog to change this kind of stuff |
| 17:35.17 | gooose | how do i change the color of certain letters in a tooltip |
| 17:35.29 | JademusSreg | Style tags. |
| 17:35.32 | Dustin|Work | Use the formating tools |
| 17:35.40 | gooose | post one pls :) |
| 17:35.50 | Dustin|Work | Just use the ingame tools |
| 17:35.52 | A1win | <c val="RRGGBB">text</c> |
| 17:35.58 | gooose | ty |
| 17:35.59 | Dustin|Work | It's a simple WYSIYG text editor |
| 17:36.49 | gooose | ownage what i meant was the name of the behavior displayed (buff icon) |
| 17:37.26 | Ownage | I know what you meant |
| 17:37.34 | Ownage | and the answer is yes, using catalog |
| 17:38.40 | Ownage | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.04 | Ownage | you can also hide the icon, or change it |
| 17:39.19 | Ownage | as well as change the tooltip |
| 17:39.50 | gooose | mh... |
| 17:41.42 | gooose | why isnt that shit in one of the UI fields... |
| 17:42.20 | Ownage | what shit |
| 17:43.12 | gooose | using the Name as Name and no easy way to change it but whatever got it fixed now |
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| 18:15.05 | Almaity | Well, I hate action actors. |
| 18:15.25 | Almaity | Changed something, so now my beam doesnt shoot at the floor anymore, but it now shoots from the floor |
| 18:19.03 | JademusSreg | Once I've got some time, I'll take a look at your thing, Alm. |
| 18:19.20 | Zolden | Almaity: for the beam you can make something simplier |
| 18:20.21 | Zolden | you need beam actor to be created at your damage effect, and site actor to be careated at your damage, then you put this actor to impact location of the beam |
| 18:21.13 | Almaity | Im not sure how to do that, never use beams and apparently when I do they ignore all the values |
| 18:21.22 | Almaity | used* |
| 18:21.58 | Zolden | ok, first try to create local offset actor, set Z to 1, and put this sop to impact site ops field of the attack actor you use |
| 18:22.23 | Almaity | Uh.... Many different models of many sizes will use this, I can't give ti a local offset since itll be too high for some :( |
| 18:22.31 | Zolden | it may raise your impact location |
| 18:22.42 | Zolden | alright |
| 18:23.23 | Almaity | also, for some reason its created too late... |
| 18:23.25 | Zolden | ok, then create a site actor, put "effect.your damage.start -> create" into events |
| 18:26.30 | Kubi | Lol |
| 18:26.37 | Kubi | So I did a IT interview today with a women |
| 18:26.55 | Zolden | sec, i'll create site-beam pair to make sure i didn't forget anything |
| 18:27.01 | Kubi | One of the questions she asked me, "You've been unemployed for 6 months, how do you keep up with the ever-changing world of Technology" |
| 18:27.15 | Dustin|Work | This thing called internet. |
| 18:27.17 | Zolden | Kubi: maybe it's a parody of a comedy show? |
| 18:27.18 | Kubi | I was like "I am unemployed, not stupid" |
| 18:27.27 | Kubi | No I didnt say that |
| 18:27.29 | Kubi | but I said |
| 18:27.30 | Kubi | I was like |
| 18:28.06 | Kubi | While being unemployed I have a lot of time to browse the internet, I spend most of my day on a computer. Then I went into detail of using the internet and what's going on the world of technology |
| 18:28.31 | Dustin|Work | lol bitches be trippin Kubi |
| 18:28.32 | Kubi | But it's hard to show my personality over the phone if the interviewer has none. |
| 18:28.50 | Kubi | Then she went into normal XP/7 questions which were easy |
| 18:29.00 | Kubi | like how do you secure a wireless router |
| 18:29.01 | Almaity | Zolden: K, what do I do with the sites? Leave everything at default apart from events? |
| 18:29.20 | Kubi | Do you have experience with blackberries? lol I was like, I owned one for 2 years |
| 18:29.57 | Kubi | http://i.imgur.com/PopiVOt.jpg |
| 18:30.13 | Zolden | Almaity: set site op to attach target |
| 18:30.25 | Dustin|Work | Dude I eat blackberries all the time! Got TONS of exp |
| 18:31.12 | Zolden | Almaity: then create a beam and add the same event to it, and add the site you created as host impact |
| 18:31.44 | Zolden | Kubi: did you punch here and ragequit? |
| 18:32.05 | Kubi | lol |
| 18:32.09 | Kubi | I have a part time job already |
| 18:32.14 | Dustin|Work | Better have been an ovarian punch. |
| 18:32.21 | Kubi | this full time IT one was something to tie me over until college season starts |
| 18:32.32 | Kubi | Make 3000$ a month |
| 18:32.32 | JademusSreg | Kubi, quick question. Do you want a simple implementation of the MUI hero shit or an awesome one with a lot of configurable settings? |
| 18:32.41 | Kubi | No, not yet. |
| 18:32.49 | Kubi | You were making it Jade |
| 18:32.50 | Kubi | :P |
| 18:32.56 | Kubi | OH |
| 18:32.59 | Kubi | It's a question |
| 18:33.00 | Kubi | silly me |
| 18:33.01 | Kubi | mmmm |
| 18:33.07 | Kubi | Honestly |
| 18:33.09 | Kubi | the MUI hero shit |
| 18:33.14 | Kubi | is pretty straight forward |
| 18:33.29 | Kubi | Hero Icon/Hero Level/Health and Energy bars |
| 18:33.40 | Kubi | Also the option to add more like in the campaign would be great too |
| 18:33.42 | Kubi | You know what I mean |
| 18:34.50 | JademusSreg | Naw, I know that. I mean do you want it to cover the bare functionality or be awesome? Because I can take the code I have now and have it ready in a day or two, or I can make it awesome and extend functionality. |
| 18:35.03 | Dustin|Work | Go with awesome |
| 18:35.04 | Kubi | Define extended and awesome? |
| 18:35.14 | JademusSreg | See, it uses triggers and shit to update its states, but I can convert most of that to automate it, I suspect. |
| 18:35.15 | Kubi | I would say you never go wrong with over-extended awesome |
| 18:35.49 | Kubi | but as long as the Hero MUI functions and works with the ability to add extra hero mui bars |
| 18:35.52 | Kubi | for each player |
| 18:35.56 | Kubi | that's the extend of what I'll be using |
| 18:35.59 | JademusSreg | Alright. So you want the awesome version. Got it. |
| 18:36.05 | JademusSreg | Oh. |
| 18:36.11 | Kubi | UNLESS |
| 18:36.12 | JademusSreg | Damn, make up your mind. =D |
| 18:36.15 | Kubi | Well |
| 18:36.16 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 18:36.20 | Kubi | You releasing this to the public right? |
| 18:36.49 | JademusSreg | I'd release an awesome version publically. |
| 18:36.53 | Kubi | there you go |
| 18:36.55 | JademusSreg | Not a bare bones port. |
| 18:37.03 | Kubi | Ah. |
| 18:37.18 | JademusSreg | Making the HotS hero panel MUI is easy, not worth public release with my name on it. |
| 18:37.21 | Kubi | Make it use Hero actual level instead of kerrigan campaign level |
| 18:37.38 | JademusSreg | Easy. |
| 18:37.49 | Kubi | I am not a big fan of the little hero ui icon in the lower right hand screen. |
| 18:37.59 | Kubi | I like the new JADEMUSSREG'S HERO MUI PANEL |
| 18:38.21 | Kubi | Will it come with a cooldown respawn timer? |
| 18:38.27 | JademusSreg | I'm playing the campaign, enjoying the study of its design. |
| 18:38.31 | Kubi | because if I can use that instead of a timer that would be sick. |
| 18:38.33 | JademusSreg | Yeah, if you want. |
| 18:38.50 | JademusSreg | I'll clarify. |
| 18:38.56 | Kubi | I am sure it's easy to make it MUI, but I have to dedicate my time elsewhere on my map. |
| 18:39.45 | JademusSreg | A quick MUI port would have few configurable settings and would use the same approaches employed by the original, like triggers updating shit. |
| 18:40.03 | Kubi | That's great and that's would I use |
| 18:40.06 | Kubi | what* |
| 18:40.29 | Kubi | I found UnitStatusBar example maps, sexiness. |
| 18:40.32 | Almaity | screw it, I give up with beams for today |
| 18:40.45 | Kubi | I could use that for my next map |
| 18:40.45 | JademusSreg | A thorough, awesome version would use some of my code libraries, be fully configurable, and would preferably use the way layouts themselves are updated by the engine to handle most of the updates. |
| 18:41.01 | Zolden | Almaity: wait, it's easy |
| 18:41.01 | Kubi | http://imgur.com/r/funny/RPISmqC |
| 18:41.09 | Kubi | There you go |
| 18:41.24 | Kubi | I like playing with example maps |
| 18:41.28 | Kubi | It's like an interactive tech demo |
| 18:41.49 | Almaity | well, nothing seems to be easy about Beams >.> They ignore everything... |
| 18:41.51 | JademusSreg | So you're saying you want the quick port. Doable. |
| 18:41.54 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 18:42.14 | Zolden | Almaity: i'll show you the easy way if it work for me |
| 18:42.37 | gooose | ok i m stuck.... i m making a passive hp regeneration ability and i want the button to show the values from the actual level |
| 18:42.42 | Kubi | Jade, will it take a portrait from The hero icon from the data settings OR set it via trigger |
| 18:42.58 | gooose | if i make the ability passive it wont use the level tooltips from the ability |
| 18:43.23 | Ownage | use text editor |
| 18:43.27 | Ownage | insert data reference |
| 18:43.27 | gooose | if i make it active it wont show up unless i assziate a behavior with it and it will dissapear as long as the behavior is active |
| 18:43.39 | gooose | i m using data reference |
| 18:43.57 | gooose | i want an unclickable button that updates with the ability level |
| 18:44.16 | Ownage | my answer remains the same |
| 18:44.17 | gooose | if its not passive i have to assiciate a buff behavior with duration 0.0002 |
| 18:45.19 | Kubi | Shit I had a lot of hero abilities, but I need more |
| 18:45.22 | Kubi | now I am out of ideas |
| 18:45.23 | Zolden | Almaity: yea, it worked |
| 18:45.33 | Zolden | now i'll try even easier way |
| 18:45.34 | Almaity | k, what'd you do? |
| 18:45.37 | Zolden | sec |
| 18:45.46 | Zolden | maybe pure beam, without site |
| 18:45.51 | Ownage | you have a lot of strange ideas about how to make maps |
| 18:45.52 | gooose | ok i dont know whaty ou mean i ll go with the clickable and the buff |
| 18:46.01 | Ownage | you do that |
| 18:48.01 | Zolden | Almaity: yea, worked without a site |
| 18:48.23 | JademusSreg | (Yes, Kub.) |
| 18:50.42 | Kubi | Fuck you |
| 18:50.43 | Kubi | hoe |
| 18:51.00 | Kubi | Must make a hero spawn locust ability |
| 18:51.01 | Kubi | brb |
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| 19:05.10 | Kubi | and it's done |
| 19:05.18 | Kubi | time to rig up the spell animations |
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| 19:28.44 | gooose | the right side of the ship its starbord or smth whats the correct spelling? |
| 19:31.43 | gooose | starboard thx interwebz |
| 19:42.45 | Ownage | what's a decent EHP calculator for a unit |
| 19:42.50 | Ownage | simple |
| 19:43.07 | Dustin|Work | EHP? |
| 19:43.13 | Ownage | effective hit points |
| 19:43.23 | Dustin|Work | No idea |
| 19:43.28 | Ownage | in this case something that gives an index based on your hp + your armor |
| 19:44.14 | Ownage | hp*armor wouldn't work because 1000 hp and 2 armor is not twice as good as 1000 hp and 1 armor |
| 19:44.25 | Dustin|Work | Wel technically it is |
| 19:44.33 | Ownage | no it's not |
| 19:44.42 | Dustin|Work | if a unit had 1 attack it is |
| 19:44.55 | Ownage | if you have an overlord with 100 hp 2 scourges will kill him |
| 19:45.02 | Ownage | if you add 2 armor 2 scourges will still kill him |
| 19:45.43 | Ownage | also what you're saying doesn't work out because min damage is 1 I believe |
| 19:45.51 | Ownage | so if you have 1 attack |
| 19:45.52 | gooose | oh armor right *adds "make armor % based" to list* |
| 19:46.10 | Ownage | and the other unit has 1000 hp and 1 armor it will take 1000 hits |
| 19:46.10 | JademusSreg | 0.5, and it is configured from the Gameplay data. |
| 19:46.17 | Ownage | if he has 10 armor it will still be 1000 hits |
| 19:46.27 | Ownage | (i think) |
| 19:46.31 | Dustin|Work | I dont know how you would calculate that.. |
| 19:46.31 | Dustin|Work | hmmm |
| 19:46.40 | Dustin|Work | Give me a minute to think about it |
| 19:46.46 | Ownage | yeah, doesn't have to be a mathematical work of art or anything |
| 19:46.56 | gooose | make armor %based and your done :) |
| 19:46.58 | Ownage | but a simple calc so you can get a loose feel of the ehp of a unit |
| 19:47.22 | gooose | hp/ (atck-armor) ???? |
| 19:47.38 | Ownage | only based on hp and armor |
| 19:47.46 | Ownage | not thinking about the enemy attack |
| 19:47.51 | Ownage | this is why it will be loose |
| 19:47.52 | gooose | well with absolute values its impossible |
| 19:48.33 | gooose | if you have a unit with 10 armor 100hp it can be killed by 110 damage or by potentially infinite damage |
| 19:48.46 | gooose | well actually.... |
| 19:48.53 | Ownage | this isn't theoretical math |
| 19:49.00 | Ownage | no enemy will have less than 1 damage certainly |
| 19:49.20 | gooose | hp+hp/armor+0.5 |
| 19:49.33 | Ownage | ??? |
| 19:49.43 | gooose | min damage a unit can take per hit is 0.5 |
| 19:49.53 | gooose | you have a base hp so thats in your ehp for sure |
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| 19:50.12 | gooose | so lets just take your hp and your hp/armor |
| 19:50.31 | gooose | oh actually i think it should be armor+0.5/hp |
| 19:50.58 | Ownage | that would make a 1000 hp 1 armor guy 0.0015 |
| 19:51.11 | gooose | no it d make him 1000.0015 |
| 19:51.38 | Ownage | 1.5/1000 != 1000.0015 |
| 19:51.49 | gooose | hp +((armor+0.5)/hp) |
| 19:52.10 | Ownage | so what would 2 armor be |
| 19:52.18 | Ownage | 1000.0030 ? |
| 19:52.37 | gooose | yea.... aproximations ftw |
| 19:52.44 | Ownage | that doesnt work |
| 19:52.51 | gooose | its absolute values remember it will never work |
| 19:53.04 | Dustin|Work | HP + ( 0.Armor * HP) |
| 19:53.11 | Ownage | well there are very effective ehp calcs for diablo 3 which doesn't use percentage |
| 19:53.27 | gooose | oh it does |
| 19:53.47 | Ownage | with what you said adding armor would mean basically nothing |
| 19:53.49 | Dustin|Work | Where 1 armor would be .01 20 armor .20 |
| 19:54.05 | Ownage | let me check that out dustin |
| 19:55.10 | Dustin|Work | It might be a bit low |
| 19:55.16 | Ownage | well with that calc |
| 19:55.31 | Ownage | 1000 hp with 100 armor is twice as good as 1000 hp with 1 armor |
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| 19:55.44 | Ownage | a little less than twice as good |
| 19:55.57 | Ownage | but that unit would be almost unkillable |
| 19:56.20 | Ownage | would take like a thousand hits to kill it, while the first would take about 10 or so |
| 19:56.23 | Dustin|Work | Yeah, needs more armor scaling in the alg |
| 19:56.24 | Ownage | maybe 100 |
| 19:56.42 | Ownage | certainly not 500 hits though |
| 19:57.18 | Ownage | maybe I will ask around in #math to see if some math nerds will help |
| 19:57.31 | Ownage | but those guys are usually speaking another language that I don't understand |
| 19:59.25 | gooose | always depends on the incoming damage |
| 19:59.42 | gooose | 1000hp will die after 2000 hits |
| 20:00.10 | gooose | you CAN NOT calculate EHP with absolute values unless you have the incoming damage |
| 20:00.18 | gooose | its impossible |
| 20:00.28 | gooose | if you have to just take the average damage |
| 20:00.37 | gooose | or make armor % based |
| 20:01.14 | gooose | ok i m trying to adress the cooldown of an ability (multiple levels) what am i doing wrong: <d ref="Ability,Abilityname,Cost.CooldownArray[0]" precision = "1"/> |
| 20:01.21 | Dustin|Work | What are you trying to accomplish anyway Ownage, what's the benefit of having EHP? |
| 20:02.33 | gooose | i dont know if cost.cooldownarray is correct btw ^^ |
| 20:03.16 | Dustin|Work | Go look it up on the ability with raw data on |
| 20:03.19 | Ownage | because some units can have DPS calculated |
| 20:03.25 | Ownage | while other units are tanks |
| 20:03.30 | Dustin|Work | Ahhh |
| 20:03.31 | Ownage | so they seem useless with a crap dps |
| 20:03.43 | Ownage | so if you can have a cool survivability metric, they seem good again |
| 20:03.50 | Ownage | while the dps units will have low ehp |
| 20:04.09 | JademusSreg | Alright. I've got some time to look at stuff. Goose still have the same issue as before? |
| 20:07.04 | gooose | <d ref="Ability,Abilityname.Cost[0].Cooldown.TimeUse" precision = "1"/> thats what it should be but it doesnt work |
| 20:09.04 | gooose | omg blizzard is stupid |
| 20:09.27 | gooose | they shorten abilITY but leave BEHAVIOR as is |
| 20:09.29 | gooose | <d ref="Abil,Fireleft,Cost[0].Cooldown.TimeUse" precision = "1"/> |
| 20:10.03 | JademusSreg | Naw, the base class is CAbil. |
| 20:10.05 | Dustin|Work | CONSISTANCY, Lost on some. |
| 20:10.15 | JademusSreg | So the reference is Abil. =D |
| 20:10.49 | gooose | if they do abil they shouldve done beha as well |
| 20:13.46 | Dustin|Work | did they really need to hack off the last 3 letters |
| 20:14.36 | JademusSreg | Nope, but then it doesn't much matter either way. =D |
| 20:14.55 | Dustin|Work | heh ya |
| 20:15.45 | JademusSreg | If the class reference were TotallyNotAnAbilityYouGuys or GlitterRainbow, that would warrant a good round of wtfs. |
| 20:16.26 | gooose | i d like the rainbow one please |
| 20:17.03 | JademusSreg | Fascinating. The .m3h file is a -bank- file. |
| 20:17.24 | JademusSreg | It contains additional model data, like attachment points. |
| 20:17.50 | Dustin|Work | whaaa |
| 20:19.24 | JademusSreg | AiurOvermindSpire_00.m3h https://pastee.org/uz2b |
| 20:20.07 | Dustin|Work | Weird |
| 20:20.20 | Dustin|Work | wonder if you can read it in with the bank function lol |
| 20:20.37 | JademusSreg | If it's loaded to memory, maybe. =D |
| 20:21.19 | Dustin|Work | They fixed banks so they can be wrote too now and don't have to be preloaded on map init didn't they? |
| 20:21.51 | Dustin|Work | Erm, dynamically reload the banks during the game. |
| 20:22.11 | JademusSreg | Yes, you read that from the pastebin I posted, remember? =D |
| 20:22.48 | Dustin|Work | Oh ya! |
| 20:23.46 | Dustin|Work | I dont think reading those in would offer anything cool enough for me to try it lol |
| 20:24.29 | JademusSreg | Dynamically change attachment points. |
| 20:27.14 | JademusSreg | That would be amusing. Change attachment point, reload, zoop. |
| 20:28.24 | Dustin|Work | Oh that would be pretty cool |
| 20:30.12 | JademusSreg | Interesting, there's on for the ArmoryPlacement model. |
| 20:30.14 | JademusSreg | *one |
| 20:30.25 | Dustin|Work | Hmm |
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| 20:30.53 | JademusSreg | The section is attachments. Which suggests there may be other sections. |
| 20:31.36 | JademusSreg | The lich king arthas model in the ice cliff is a full model, haha. |
| 20:32.30 | Dustin|Work | There's a lich king model in sc2? lol |
| 20:33.28 | JademusSreg | I hate the cutscene editor. |
| 20:33.51 | Dustin|Work | Lol I havent used it enough to hate it |
| 20:33.54 | JademusSreg | Not hotkey for raise or lower? What the fuck. |
| 20:34.06 | Dustin|Work | Just use it to browse models |
| 20:34.11 | Dustin|Work | Does ctrl+pageup not work? |
| 20:34.35 | Touk | make ur own editor dustin |
| 20:34.44 | Touk | call it the dustin edition |
| 20:34.54 | Dustin|Work | It would be the best editor ever |
| 20:35.04 | Dustin|Work | Cause to get it to work you just yell at it what you want it to do |
| 20:35.11 | Dustin|Work | And it's do it, like magic |
| 20:35.15 | Dustin|Work | it'd* |
| 20:37.24 | JademusSreg | Ash Worm is adorable. |
| 20:38.04 | Touk | it is not |
| 20:38.08 | Touk | u must beat the ash worm |
| 20:38.30 | JademusSreg | In front of everyone? Kinky. |
| 20:38.46 | Ownage | JESUS CHRIST |
| 20:39.05 | Dustin|Work | Yes? |
| 20:39.09 | Touk | yes |
| 20:39.16 | Dustin|Work | You can call me Dustin |
| 20:39.23 | JademusSreg | Death models also employ these special bank files. |
| 20:39.24 | Dustin|Work | No need for formalities |
| 20:39.36 | Touk | O_O so is there any erason to use campaign dependicies or not? |
| 20:39.43 | Dustin|Work | Art |
| 20:39.58 | Dustin|Work | and example shit if you'd like |
| 20:40.20 | Dustin|Work | Most of the example inventory and units are in the campaign depend |
| 20:40.46 | JademusSreg | Dependencies are useful for assets. Editor functionality is the same regardless of dependencies, so the more custom work you intend to import, the less you need em. |
| 20:41.09 | Touk | examples |
| 20:41.18 | Touk | blizzard exmaples always horrible |
| 20:41.22 | Touk | ill do it my baller way |
| 20:41.28 | Touk | cause i work at baller town |
| 20:42.02 | JademusSreg | The town motto: We've got balls. |
| 20:42.26 | Touk | town question of the day anyone wanna watch me make a map on a stream :O |
| 20:43.52 | JademusSreg | Ah, I knew the physics were not limited to HotS. It's all about the assets and actors to support them. |
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| 20:52.59 | Touk | this chat is to silent |
| 20:53.04 | Touk | we need tripple the explosions |
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| 20:53.55 | JademusSreg | ProtossSnakeHead is amusing. |
| 20:55.21 | ckSynergy | hmmm |
| 20:55.49 | ckSynergy | Who here has maps/mods published on bnet? |
| 20:56.11 | JademusSreg | Everyone? =D |
| 20:56.43 | twodie | noone! |
| 20:56.44 | ckSynergy | I'm just wondering if anyone is using hots assets in their mods |
| 20:59.08 | ckSynergy | Should I take the silence as a "no one"? lol |
| 21:00.05 | JademusSreg | I would hold off on using HotS dependencies for released maps. |
| 21:00.13 | JademusSreg | That, or maintain a fork. |
| 21:00.32 | ckSynergy | yea, I think that's what everyone is doing, holding off |
| 21:00.34 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 21:00.36 | JademusSreg | Amusing MercCommander model. |
| 21:01.02 | ckSynergy | Seems like blizz shot themselves in the foot there. "Use HOTS assets and split your popularity, or have your map banned for importing" |
| 21:02.45 | twodie | damn i love this foggish night feel here http://snag.gy/YSKnM.jpg |
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| 21:08.07 | Bounty | Pew |
| 21:08.46 | JademusSreg | The swarm KaeoCube has a different texture? |
| 21:11.00 | gooose | man isnt kueken comign today.. |
| 21:13.54 | Ownage | I've got burrow set to auto cast.. how do I make it qualify that auto cast for (within attack range of enemy) and for unburrow (not within range) |
| 21:15.30 | Touk | i am using hots depend |
| 21:18.13 | JademusSreg | Haha, zerg model just called TentacleMonster. |
| 21:18.37 | Bounty | da fuck you talking about JademusSreg |
| 21:18.39 | Bounty | hots? |
| 21:19.11 | JademusSreg | Yes, looking through the asset browser. |
| 21:19.20 | Bounty | you got hots? lol |
| 21:19.51 | JademusSreg | Oops. Editor crashed on a model. |
| 21:20.05 | JademusSreg | Yes. Played a few campaign missions, so far. |
| 21:20.07 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 21:20.45 | Zolden | yea, some models crash editor, and i never notice which one |
| 21:21.08 | Zolden | twodie: that look like a night if you know it's night and fog, but if you on't it look like a flood |
| 21:22.00 | Zolden | Almaity: do you wnat me to give you that map with attacking beam? |
| 21:22.29 | twodie | flood, hah |
| 21:22.30 | Almaity | uh yeah, PM it to me, thx :) |
| 21:26.07 | Taintedwisp | i dont want to get up I wanna stay home and make cookies.... |
| 21:26.32 | Taintedwisp | Sixen you there? |
| 21:26.59 | gooose | what is a good icon for engines (ship engines) |
| 21:28.18 | Dustin|Work | The thruster icon |
| 21:29.55 | gooose | i dont think i have that |
| 21:31.02 | gooose | lol there is a mobius reactor and a moebiusreactor icon ^^ (same) |
| 21:31.04 | Zolden | Almaity: http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/37/474/attackin_beam.SC2Map |
| 21:31.36 | Almaity | tgx |
| 21:31.40 | Almaity | thx* |
| 21:32.15 | Zolden | so, there is only 1 beam actor that visualizes the attack, and it is drawn between attacker's weapon and target's target attachment points |
| 21:32.52 | Zolden | you might also want to create sound actor for this attack |
| 21:40.36 | gooose | how do i make simple functions in tooltips ( i want to subtract 1 from a dref value |
| 21:40.46 | Ownage | right now I have lurker autocast burrow set to validator but I don't see why it's not working |
| 21:40.56 | Ownage | he's just burrowing and unburrowing over and over |
| 21:41.07 | Ownage | with no enemies around |
| 21:41.23 | Ownage | validator is set to greater than or equal to 1 radius 10 validator none |
| 21:41.32 | Ownage | search filter require enemy |
| 21:43.18 | gooose | nvm i figured it out |
| 21:45.22 | JademusSreg | Own, is it owned by the player or comp? |
| 21:45.29 | Ownage | its owned by me |
| 21:45.56 | twodie | goodnight zombies |
| 21:46.32 | Ownage | I have a demo map where it works |
| 21:46.36 | Ownage | trying to see if i can match it |
| 21:48.56 | Ownage | seems like even just copying and pasting those values in it still just goes up and down |
| 21:54.46 | Ownage | http://pastebin.com/qpzDzS26 |
| 21:58.08 | Ownage | trying without validator |
| 21:58.23 | Ownage | just using the filter and minimum and range |
| 21:58.37 | Ownage | that works |
| 22:00.05 | Ownage | yep works... sillly |
| 22:09.22 | gooose | what is the tag to make text in tooltips cursive? |
| 22:12.07 | gooose | anyone here? |
| 22:16.20 | Touk | no |
| 22:20.01 | gooose | is ther an option to make text cursive in tooltips? |
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| 22:26.15 | JohannVon | A1win: why is your language so weird. |
| 22:38.24 | gooose | mine? |
| 22:38.29 | gooose | ohhh |
| 22:38.50 | gooose | so ther is no way to make it cursive .... shit gotta work with neongreen then |
| 22:46.11 | Sixen | taintedwisp: ? |
| 23:04.12 | gooose | are veterancy target filters bugged? |
| 23:04.33 | gooose | i cant set neutral to true |
| 23:05.15 | gooose | if i do it sets damage dealt to neutral to true instead |
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| 23:24.51 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 23:34.23 | Ownage | I'll be on in a few days |
| 23:34.26 | Ownage | moving to california |
| 23:34.30 | Ownage | see you guys |
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