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| 00:20.59 | Mexa | hi :D |
| 00:23.08 | sharf | Ok question, is it possible to get the mouse location for a player? |
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| 00:30.41 | Ahli | event: mouse moved -> then store it in a variable |
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| 00:39.13 | XibaD | hi guys |
| 00:41.10 | ckSynergy | Hi |
| 00:44.47 | Taintedwisp | IU found the issue with my hero selection |
| 00:45.20 | Taintedwisp | Its got something to do with multiple people using it.... |
| 00:45.21 | Taintedwisp | -_- |
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| 00:46.45 | Taintedwisp | wow I just htink I found out why -_-,... hahaha |
| 00:48.10 | ckSynergy | UI is a bitch aint it? lol |
| 00:53.50 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 00:54.01 | Taintedwisp | I jsut wish I had a Button frame that looke decent -_- |
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| 01:45.43 | EntityEnigma | are there any good new urban tile sets for HotS? |
| 01:52.40 | Taintedwisp | JademusSreg, Better or worse? Still havent changed the stone buttons, still cant think up anything better :( |
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| 01:57.45 | sharf | how come certain models don't show up in the cutscene editor? |
| 01:58.05 | Taintedwisp | some models require terrain under them to project |
| 01:58.20 | Taintedwisp | also some dont appear without their animation playing |
| 01:59.40 | sharf | ok, well say I want to use the pylon building animation |
| 01:59.45 | sharf | how would I do that then? |
| 02:00.19 | Taintedwisp | dunno dont use the cutscene editor |
| 02:00.32 | sharf | don't use models and actors? |
| 02:04.49 | Taintedwisp | I dont use Data editor :) |
| 02:04.53 | Taintedwisp | I mean cutscene editor |
| 02:05.01 | sharf | neither am I |
| 02:05.02 | Taintedwisp | I only use data, some triggers, and terrain |
| 02:05.18 | sharf | I'm trying to make the build animation of a pylon appear at a unit's birth |
| 02:05.22 | Taintedwisp | in the data editor go to actor > events > anim groups |
| 02:05.27 | sharf | and was curious why it didn't show up |
| 02:05.36 | sharf | yeah, and? |
| 02:05.42 | Taintedwisp | Unitbirth.unitname, Animgroup (whatever) play |
| 02:05.51 | sharf | yeah I have that |
| 02:06.04 | sharf | doesn't work |
| 02:24.28 | JademusSreg | bACK. |
| 02:31.12 | Taintedwisp | http://imgur.com/5sDgoRm so jademus? bettteR? |
| 02:31.31 | Taintedwisp | Still working on getting the text inside it |
| 02:51.27 | Taintedwisp | Hey jademus is there a way to make a unit rotate forever? |
| 02:51.39 | Taintedwisp | all I want it to do is rotate on its own |
| 02:52.32 | JademusSreg | Yes, but I can do you one better. |
| 02:52.43 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 02:52.53 | Taintedwisp | its a question mark i want to make rotate :) |
| 02:52.56 | Taintedwisp | Adding a random hero button |
| 02:53.01 | JademusSreg | Make a dialog control of type Unit Model or Model or whatever. |
| 02:53.19 | JademusSreg | They display a rotating unit model. |
| 02:53.31 | Taintedwisp | Thats nice, and I might do that, but I want the Question mark to do it :)) |
| 02:53.39 | JademusSreg | Still works. |
| 02:53.43 | Taintedwisp | I need the question mark to rotate onits own, stationary it looks dumb |
| 02:54.19 | Taintedwisp | I think when all is said and done, I will have 18 total heroes |
| 02:54.23 | Taintedwisp | I think thats plenty :) |
| 02:54.24 | JademusSreg | Er, I don't see the issue. |
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| 02:57.40 | JademusSreg | Your screenshot, ignoring all the obvious formatting issues, looks better. Assuming there'll be more hero buttons. And a different button texture. And so forth. The mid-to-top left and right sides are a tad barren. |
| 02:59.51 | JademusSreg | Making the hero -do- something would be a good use of space. Turn off vital bars temporarily and show them waist deep in combat, slaughtering with their attacks and abilities. That would be an excellent use of the left and right sides. |
| 02:59.53 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 03:00.17 | Kueken | morning |
| 03:00.40 | JademusSreg | (Zoooooop.) |
| 03:01.33 | Kueken | 4 am |
| 03:01.40 | Kueken | counts as morning, right? |
| 03:13.21 | Taintedwisp | Hey how would I pick a random unit? |
| 03:19.05 | Kueken | uhm |
| 03:19.09 | Kueken | from what? |
| 03:19.48 | Kueken | usually with Random Unit From Unit Group function |
| 03:33.25 | Taintedwisp | WTF... |
| 03:33.28 | Taintedwisp | i KEEP GETTING ERRORS |
| 03:36.59 | Taintedwisp | Dammit wtf... |
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| 03:48.00 | sharf | OH FUCK OFF BLIZZARD |
| 03:48.17 | sharf | literally seconds from getting an acheivement and I get disconnected from bnet for no reason |
| 03:53.09 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 03:53.28 | sharf | how would I make an effect (actor) show up at a unit when it teleported via a trigger? |
| 03:53.54 | JademusSreg | Achievement Received: Sweet I Just Got- |
| 03:54.13 | sharf | fuck you lol |
| 03:54.18 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 03:54.22 | sharf | not funny |
| 03:54.32 | JademusSreg | Definitely funny. |
| 03:55.03 | JademusSreg | Anyway, you want a visual to correspond to the trigger-based teleportation? |
| 03:55.21 | sharf | mhm |
| 03:55.30 | JademusSreg | Also, why trigger-based over Teleport effect? |
| 03:59.25 | sharf | because I could |
| 03:59.30 | sharf | plus |
| 03:59.50 | sharf | I do camera boundries and stuff |
| 04:00.46 | Taintedwisp | Hey in triggers random integer between 1 and 9, 1 and 9 is included right? |
| 04:00.55 | sharf | yes |
| 04:01.03 | Taintedwisp | kk |
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| 04:01.22 | progammer | MUST listen: All VO outtakes from HotS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVHUvXPqWuE |
| 04:01.35 | JademusSreg | Neither necessarily excludes a data approach. But there are a few ways you can approach it if you wanna trigger it. |
| 04:02.00 | JademusSreg | Cool, prog. |
| 04:03.01 | progammer | i'm in tears when dehaka becomes emotional |
| 04:04.44 | JademusSreg | Sharf, you can just create an actor directly, you can create an actor to attach to the unit, you can apply a behavior that does the usual model attachment stuff, you can apply an effect do it. |
| 04:05.19 | JademusSreg | I'll listen to it once my girl is done watching MMCH. |
| 04:06.38 | JademusSreg | Also, I keep putting off buying HotS. Need to do that. |
| 04:07.06 | sharf | so wait I can create an actor attached to a unit via triggers? |
| 04:07.40 | JademusSreg | Yeah. Unit needs to host it, so you need to get the unit's actor. |
| 04:09.13 | Taintedwisp | yay the random hero button worked |
| 04:09.52 | Taintedwisp | okay so now thats all set up :) |
| 04:09.58 | Taintedwisp | A lot of people were requesting it :) |
| 04:10.18 | Taintedwisp | now i will just put 9 blank buttons on the other side :) |
| 04:10.28 | Taintedwisp | and the stone buttons is growing on me :) |
| 04:10.42 | Taintedwisp | but if Its going to be like that I will need to change all the frames to stone |
| 04:10.43 | progammer | if you havent play hots it wont be that funny though |
| 04:11.29 | JademusSreg | Yes, Taint. Preferably a smooth, transluscent stone. Like quartz. |
| 04:12.02 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 04:12.20 | Taintedwisp | Well I was thinking of making the progres bar stone with EVOLVE carved into it |
| 04:12.24 | JademusSreg | Ah, well, maybe I should play it tonight. |
| 04:12.44 | Taintedwisp | it wont be done tonight :) |
| 04:12.50 | Taintedwisp | just started on this new theme |
| 04:13.08 | JademusSreg | I've been reversing and improving the HotS hero frame, but have yet to play the game itself. Might be refreshing. |
| 04:13.48 | JademusSreg | Also, put some shadows behind the hero icons. Needs to be distinct from the busy stone texture. |
| 04:13.57 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 04:14.01 | Taintedwisp | teh campaign is great :) |
| 04:14.11 | Taintedwisp | take it from a true pimp |
| 04:14.22 | Taintedwisp | whos been pimpin sinc ebefore pimpin was cool |
| 04:15.01 | JademusSreg | I hear good things about the gameplay. The narrative is junk, apparently, but playing for a story is fo' suckas. |
| 04:15.35 | Taintedwisp | the narrative is fine |
| 04:15.39 | Taintedwisp | if you ignore the problems |
| 04:15.53 | Taintedwisp | the problems are pretty minor |
| 04:17.16 | JademusSreg | HotS narrative is basically the DBZ, the Cell Saga, only with more smooches, and somewhat less grunting. |
| 04:18.09 | Taintedwisp | no it isnt... |
| 04:18.11 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 04:18.18 | Taintedwisp | it has 1 beam attack and everyone calls it dbz -_- |
| 04:18.19 | Ownage | pretty sure the last blizzard game that I played 1 second of single player on was warcraft 2 |
| 04:18.31 | Taintedwisp | hey that was a great story owqnage |
| 04:18.38 | JademusSreg | I didn't even know there was a beam attack. |
| 04:18.41 | Ownage | thanks tqntedwisp |
| 04:18.50 | Ownage | I sure liked it |
| 04:19.10 | Taintedwisp | thats it... there was a single beam attack... that was it... |
| 04:19.24 | JademusSreg | I wasn't aware of that. |
| 04:19.26 | Taintedwisp | theres no dbz bullshit, and I know because i grew up watching dbz my entire childhood :) |
| 04:20.08 | sharf | DBZ: Half an hour of constipated screaming |
| 04:20.30 | Taintedwisp | hah\ |
| 04:20.43 | Taintedwisp | sharg the original dbz is mostly filler |
| 04:20.44 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 04:20.49 | sharf | I remember one episode |
| 04:20.50 | sharf | on namek |
| 04:20.58 | Taintedwisp | Kai is better, but they removed nudity, blood, and a lanuguage :( |
| 04:21.01 | JademusSreg | Cell-like obsession with genetic-blahblahblah power, flashy people-exploding energy attacks, rawr-revenging must-get-strong attitude. |
| 04:21.08 | sharf | there was literally no dialog the entire episode |
| 04:21.19 | sharf | just freiza and goku staring each other down |
| 04:21.30 | Taintedwisp | Actually kerrigan never wanted to get stronger in the story, shes "forced" into it |
| 04:21.47 | Taintedwisp | haha yup thats called filler sharf |
| 04:21.58 | sharf | I know |
| 04:22.00 | JademusSreg | I must get stronger to kill the guy with the beard. |
| 04:22.11 | Taintedwisp | the average dbz episode covered 1/2 page of manga material from what I have hear |
| 04:22.14 | Taintedwisp | heard* |
| 04:22.17 | JademusSreg | His beard betrayed me and killed the dude I smooch. |
| 04:23.22 | sharf | how do I attach a sound to a model actor? |
| 04:23.28 | JademusSreg | Of course it differs from DBZ. You get to be the world-decimating villain and the hero. |
| 04:23.59 | JademusSreg | Sharf, you can crerate the sound actor from the model actor. |
| 04:24.10 | sharf | der... |
| 04:24.14 | JademusSreg | ActorCreation > Create SomeSoundActopr |
| 04:25.08 | sharf | sound actors don't appear to be listed |
| 04:25.42 | JademusSreg | Did you make the sound actor? |
| 04:25.54 | sharf | I'm using a default one |
| 04:25.58 | JademusSreg | Er, |
| 04:26.06 | JademusSreg | Wat? |
| 04:26.21 | sharf | yeah nvm |
| 04:26.23 | sharf | retardd |
| 04:26.29 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:26.32 | sharf | see can't even spell t |
| 04:26.35 | sharf | FUCK |
| 04:26.36 | JademusSreg | Hahah |
| 04:26.50 | Kueken | good thing you don't need a t for fuck |
| 04:27.00 | sharf | I was typing one handed |
| 04:27.06 | JademusSreg | Though I can see how a t would be useful. |
| 04:27.09 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 04:27.16 | Kueken | good thing you didn't try shit ;) |
| 04:27.36 | Kueken | shi just doesn't sound that angry |
| 04:27.42 | Kueken | even all caps |
| 04:28.06 | sharf | SHI! |
| 04:28.15 | sharf | sounds asian |
| 04:28.16 | sharf | actually |
| 04:28.22 | JademusSreg | The other hand is for manually manipulating his data. |
| 04:28.28 | JademusSreg | Bazing |
| 04:28.56 | sharf | it is for supporting my body lol |
| 04:29.27 | sharf | is there any way to create units at the location of the mouse? |
| 04:29.32 | sharf | via triggers? |
| 04:29.40 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 04:29.48 | JademusSreg | Track the mouse all the time. |
| 04:30.02 | sharf | right |
| 04:30.08 | sharf | but how do I store it's location? |
| 04:30.18 | JademusSreg | I have an input script for it. |
| 04:30.27 | JademusSreg | Also, Shawn made a GUI version. |
| 04:30.38 | JademusSreg | Which you can find on the forums. |
| 04:31.47 | JademusSreg | Though why do you need to create units at cursor position via triggers? |
| 04:32.12 | sharf | for the hell of testing i wanted to be able to spawn units via commands |
| 04:32.18 | JademusSreg | Abilities can be made to accomplish almost the same, and test maps allow one to use debug cheats. |
| 04:32.34 | sharf | and mouse is easier to aim then center of camera |
| 04:32.47 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/mapping-debug-commands-revealed/ |
| 04:33.12 | JademusSreg | makeunit Marine 32 |
| 04:33.15 | JademusSreg | For example. |
| 04:33.44 | JademusSreg | Notice the date? =D |
| 04:33.51 | sharf | yeah |
| 04:34.15 | sharf | that'll be easier lol |
| 04:34.21 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 04:34.51 | sharf | but how do I use it? |
| 04:35.26 | JademusSreg | It takes arguments for unitid (not name), count, and player |
| 04:35.35 | JademusSreg | In the order, space separated. |
| 04:36.02 | JademusSreg | If no player is provided, it probably defaults to local player. |
| 04:36.28 | Kueken | sharf: just type it |
| 04:36.35 | Kueken | if the map is started from the editor |
| 04:36.36 | sharf | type it where? lol |
| 04:36.39 | JademusSreg | So makeunit Marine 32 1 makes 32 Marines for player 1. |
| 04:36.42 | sharf | oh |
| 04:36.43 | JademusSreg | Enter |
| 04:36.45 | sharf | nvm |
| 04:36.47 | JademusSreg | Type |
| 04:36.47 | Kueken | the commands are enabled automatically |
| 04:36.49 | sharf | I got it |
| 04:37.48 | JademusSreg | Similarly, you can apply behaviors and effects. |
| 04:38.07 | JademusSreg | I like to clear areas with effect OdinNuke |
| 04:38.10 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 04:38.40 | sharf | lol |
| 04:39.05 | sharf | alright thanks |
| 04:39.07 | sharf | I need to sleep now lol |
| 04:39.11 | sharf | night all |
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| 04:49.24 | Taintedwisp | I have decide dto stay up a while longer tonight to work on this hero select its REALLY coming together :) |
| 04:50.55 | Taintedwisp | Shit Hydro |
| 05:16.17 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/vdYGCph.jpg |
| 05:16.18 | Taintedwisp | : |
| 05:16.18 | Taintedwisp | ) |
| 05:16.22 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 05:18.25 | Taintedwisp | Still gotta pickout a nice button background :) |
| 05:31.56 | Ownage | what's this remove remove crap showing up in my map at startup |
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| 05:45.00 | twodie | hello mappers! |
| 05:45.45 | JademusSreg | Pew. |
| 05:46.29 | JademusSreg | Wat Own? |
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| 06:17.49 | Taintedwisp | Well I am going to bed :) |
| 06:17.59 | Taintedwisp | I got quite a bit done today :) |
| 06:18.10 | Taintedwisp | Ill work till my triggerer wants the map tomorrow |
| 06:19.53 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/vdYGCph.jpg This is pretty much what the final product for the night looks like :) |
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| 06:42.46 | rtschutter | Is anyone in here really good with layout files? |
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| 06:54.17 | Stewox | jademussreg, let's continue that carrier smart targeting if you can, have anoter mornin of time today .. |
| 06:55.30 | JademusSreg | Oh, if this is just for a carrier, that's pretty simple. |
| 06:55.35 | JademusSreg | I must have missed that part. |
| 06:55.51 | Stewox | well |
| 06:56.33 | Stewox | it could be added to any other unit right , in theory, missile projectile units |
| 06:56.46 | Stewox | to refresh |
| 06:56.52 | Stewox | you said about the scripting part |
| 06:58.37 | JademusSreg | To just make carrier interceptors target more intelligently, you'd have each interceptor apply a marker and have different marker count validators corresponding to target life. |
| 06:58.40 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 06:59.46 | Stewox | we ended right there cause I have no idea how to actually call the dummy set effect from the units and around that, since you got another way doing it |
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| 07:14.24 | Ahli | morning |
| 07:14.49 | JademusSreg | I still need to test that element you mentioned. =D |
| 07:15.04 | Ahli | ^^ |
| 07:15.12 | Ahli | give it a sense |
| 07:15.55 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Stew, for so narrow an implementation, it should be doable with just data. |
| 07:17.18 | Ahli | then you might want to use https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4479839/StatusBarTests%20by%20Ahli.SC2Map as a base, it has a working shieldedhealthbar... just that field doesn't make sense to me |
| 07:18.36 | JademusSreg | The tests to which I refer are for frame element support, not validity or function. But I love collecting demo maps. =D |
| 07:19.39 | JademusSreg | Interesting. SC2 AI is shifting more and more toward a data-based approach. |
| 07:19.47 | JademusSreg | The tactical AI, I mean. |
| 07:19.52 | JademusSreg | Makes sense. |
| 07:20.18 | Ahli | never used AI :S I have no knowledge how I would even try to embed a new unit into the AI's builds |
| 07:20.34 | JademusSreg | Tactical AI. |
| 07:20.46 | JademusSreg | It's what does the micro management. |
| 07:21.29 | JademusSreg | Previously it was mostly scripted, but data types have been added and implemented over time to replace it. |
| 07:23.43 | Ahli | what the heck is "target find" referencing? |
| 07:24.17 | JademusSreg | Target Find are rather like a validator complex plus some additional options. |
| 07:24.57 | JademusSreg | I really should have played with these more when they appeared in 1.5, bah. |
| 07:28.13 | JademusSreg | Looks like Tactical Cooldowns aren't doing aynthing especially useful, atm. |
| 07:28.26 | JademusSreg | Oh. |
| 07:28.36 | JademusSreg | They're used for Ghost cooldowns. Neato. |
| 07:31.04 | JademusSreg | Unfortunate Tactical AI data doesn't work for player owned units. Could do some fun shit there. |
| 07:31.37 | JademusSreg | Though they do still work if the unit is owned by a computer, but the computer player shares control with a player. |
| 07:32.14 | JademusSreg | To see that sort of fun, give a comp Maar and use alliancecontrol command. Or Stalkers and techtree command. |
| 07:32.18 | JademusSreg | So amusing. |
| 07:35.29 | Repo | New map: Zerg Hive Wars - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/zerg-fun-zone/ |
| 07:35.29 | Repo | New asset: Infested Dog (Zombie) - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/infested-dog-zombie/ |
| 07:35.29 | Repo | New map: Mineral Wars - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/mineral-wars/ |
| 07:35.44 | JademusSreg | Unfortunately, I don't yet see a way for non-AIs to access Target Find data. Shame. |
| 07:35.48 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 07:38.33 | Ahli | http://www.diablofans.com/topic/90527-diablo-mortal-shroud-a-map-for-starcraft-ii/ what a good morning for me :D |
| 07:46.11 | Stewox | sory jademussreg |
| 07:46.13 | Ahli | when is NA maintenance? now or tomorrow? |
| 07:46.20 | Stewox | i was playin sc2 and forgot a bit |
| 07:47.25 | rtschutter | Hello Ahli |
| 07:47.34 | Taintedwisp | Jademus GET TO STEPPIN |
| 07:47.42 | rtschutter | I was wondering if you could help me with yet another layout problem |
| 07:49.22 | Ahli | most likely I can |
| 07:49.39 | rtschutter | I am pretty much just trying to add a background image like you helped me do to the minimap |
| 07:49.44 | rtschutter | but this time to the unit info panel |
| 07:49.49 | rtschutter | but again I can't get it to show up |
| 07:50.26 | rtschutter | I am pretty sure I am using the right name |
| 07:50.26 | Ahli | in which frame did you create it? |
| 07:50.43 | rtschutter | <Frame type="InfoPanel" name="GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/InfoPanel" file="GameUI"> |
| 07:52.46 | JademusSreg | Segments look really shitty with ApplyToTotal, but that is a great feature. |
| 07:53.13 | Ahli | http://pastebin.com/WcWqefKB I'm putting it into the child frames... |
| 07:53.32 | rtschutter | so I need to add it to each child frame instead of the parent? |
| 07:53.43 | Ahli | should work in the info panel, too... in theory |
| 07:53.56 | JademusSreg | Must test for support immediately. If it works on other statusbar types, it would be funny and look pretty shitty, I expect. |
| 07:54.13 | rtschutter | I will give this a try, really appreciate your help again |
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| 07:54.19 | Ahli | what does it do, jade? |
| 07:54.41 | Ahli | it creates super long shield bars when shields are low :S |
| 07:54.42 | JademusSreg | ApplyToTotal adds the shield to the health bar display. |
| 07:54.56 | Ahli | the current or the max value? |
| 07:55.05 | JademusSreg | Current. |
| 07:55.18 | JademusSreg | So as shields go down, the green bar -grows- haha. |
| 07:55.40 | Ahli | yes |
| 07:55.40 | JademusSreg | And if health is damaged, but shields are full, you get a dark patch. |
| 07:55.56 | Ahli | that's how I set up my healthbar |
| 07:56.05 | JademusSreg | But the segments are comical, in that they shift back and forth a few pixels during updates that grow. |
| 07:56.15 | Ahli | it creates strange things, if I make it not use it |
| 07:56.46 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I imagine it would look ridiculous if it works with other statusbars. |
| 07:56.56 | Ahli | shieldedhealthbar |
| 07:57.00 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 07:57.03 | rtschutter | Do you guys know if there is any way to pull a players APM through triggers? |
| 07:57.12 | Ahli | player score |
| 07:57.26 | Ahli | one action adds 12 APM score for 5 game seconds |
| 07:57.44 | Ahli | I think it was game seconds :D |
| 07:57.59 | rtschutter | interesting |
| 07:59.02 | Stewox | back now |
| 08:00.14 | rtschutter | hmm |
| 08:00.23 | rtschutter | I still cant get the image to show up using your code |
| 08:00.28 | rtschutter | I am probably doing it wrong |
| 08:01.49 | Ahli | the image in my code only appears, if you select a single unit |
| 08:02.04 | Ahli | because the image I made is in InfoPaneUnit |
| 08:03.03 | rtschutter | I will double check but pretty sure I tested that |
| 08:04.02 | Ahli | also, make sure that it isn't below something in the bottom right area. that's where it should create itself |
| 08:05.25 | rtschutter | okay its working |
| 08:05.28 | JademusSreg | Ahli, I don't know how I missed it. The element was right in a cluster of other elements I grabbed from the string dump. =D |
| 08:05.28 | rtschutter | it just doesnt show up |
| 08:05.36 | rtschutter | when creating a unit info panel from template |
| 08:06.39 | Ahli | there is the problem :D |
| 08:07.14 | Ahli | I guess you need to add the image to the template to make it appear with the template, if you create the UI with that template in a trigger dialog |
| 08:07.43 | rtschutter | its okay |
| 08:07.52 | rtschutter | the whole point of doing this is to stop using the template anyways |
| 08:08.00 | JademusSreg | wonders if another World frame can be created, but strongly doubts it. |
| 08:09.39 | rtschutter | Thanks a lot! It's working great. I will specialize it for my own needs tomorrow. I am going to get some sleep now though as I am ridiculously tired. Thanks again! |
| 08:09.55 | rtschutter | If I can ever help you with your own project please let me know |
| 08:10.06 | rtschutter | I have run into a lot of problems while working on this |
| 08:10.17 | rtschutter | that you may as well |
| 08:11.40 | Ahli | I solve most of my problems on my own... if I have problems, only a handful of people might know a solution ;) |
| 08:11.54 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 08:13.10 | JademusSreg | That's why you get a blue color tag in my IRC highlighting. |
| 08:13.45 | Ahli | inb4 I randomly press j, tab and enter |
| 08:13.57 | Ahli | JademusSreg: |
| 08:14.19 | rtschutter | Did you solve the player vision problem? |
| 08:14.25 | Ahli | no :D |
| 08:14.29 | rtschutter | see! |
| 08:14.32 | Ahli | fog data and actor images |
| 08:14.39 | Ahli | are the problem |
| 08:14.52 | rtschutter | I have created a system which enables it to work mostly |
| 08:14.54 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 08:15.59 | rtschutter | it has some problems like creep doesnt go away but the buildings the other player hasnt seen do disappear |
| 08:16.38 | Ahli | hmm, now I wonder how you achieved that :D |
| 08:16.39 | JademusSreg | Well, you could remove actor snapshots. |
| 08:16.50 | rtschutter | I did this |
| 08:16.57 | rtschutter | I gave each player a special unit |
| 08:17.01 | rtschutter | that sits above their base |
| 08:17.07 | rtschutter | and every time they see an enemy building |
| 08:17.21 | rtschutter | it applies a behavior instantly to that building |
| 08:17.27 | rtschutter | when you switch to that players vision |
| 08:17.39 | rtschutter | it automatically hides the actors for all of the buildings that don't have the buff |
| 08:19.14 | Ahli | if the player then scouts that building it is revealed? |
| 08:19.37 | rtschutter | yeah |
| 08:19.41 | rtschutter | the behavior gets applied |
| 08:19.52 | rtschutter | and you just have it reveal the building when it gets the behavior |
| 08:20.16 | rtschutter | there are some problems |
| 08:20.21 | rtschutter | like the FoW snapshot |
| 08:20.30 | rtschutter | so for example if they only saw a protoss building warping in |
| 08:20.36 | Ahli | yeah |
| 08:20.40 | rtschutter | it will show the completed building when you switch to their vision |
| 08:20.46 | rtschutter | but this is such a minor issue |
| 08:23.02 | Ahli | do you periodically check the vision info or how do you detect the scouting? |
| 08:23.45 | rtschutter | you just use |
| 08:23.49 | rtschutter | "Unit Behavior Changes" |
| 08:23.51 | rtschutter | event |
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| 08:24.17 | rtschutter | and set it to the behavior you have given units that become detected |
| 08:24.44 | Ahli | yeah, but how do you detect the scouting in the first place? |
| 08:24.51 | rtschutter | you don't |
| 08:24.53 | rtschutter | the unit does it |
| 08:25.13 | rtschutter | I give each player an invisible invincible unit that just hovers above their base |
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| 08:26.11 | rtschutter | and it has an autocasted ability with infinite range which instantly applies a placebo behavior to any enemy unit that comes into it's owners vision |
| 08:26.24 | Ahli | ah k, that's how you detect it |
| 08:26.29 | rtschutter | yes |
| 08:26.37 | rtschutter | that is done entirely through data |
| 08:26.51 | rtschutter | only the hiding/showing of the building actors is done through triggers |
| 08:29.27 | rtschutter | alright I hope that helps |
| 08:29.39 | rtschutter | I need to sleep before I fall face first into my keyboard |
| 08:30.07 | Ahli | yeah, that helps :D |
| 08:30.14 | rtschutter | cool good luck with it |
| 08:31.08 | Ahli | what was the action to reset black mask fog? |
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| 08:32.35 | JademusSreg | VisExploreArea (int player, region area, bool explored, bool checkCliffLevel); |
| 08:33.03 | JademusSreg | explored false |
| 08:33.19 | Taintedwisp | WHA BA BA LOOBA BW WAM BAM BOO |
| 08:33.42 | Taintedwisp | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=173280 A reminder of why I hate teamliquid :P |
| 08:33.51 | Taintedwisp | Because their mods are a bunch of uppidty dickbags |
| 08:34.09 | Taintedwisp | Their entire staff is comprised of Eternalwrath :)) |
| 08:35.07 | Taintedwisp | egotistical dbags :) |
| 08:35.17 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of why I love TL moderation. |
| 08:35.19 | Taintedwisp | thats why I like mapster, we have the dickbag limit. |
| 08:35.25 | Taintedwisp | we limit it to 1 mod |
| 08:35.26 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 08:35.57 | Taintedwisp | they odnt understnad jademus, that sometimes you need to let a shit kite fly |
| 08:36.23 | JademusSreg | Naw, I value their efficient, autocratic tyranny. |
| 08:36.28 | Taintedwisp | not to mention they closed one of my threads for "Having too many videos"..... |
| 08:36.39 | Taintedwisp | i had 3 videos -_- |
| 08:36.46 | Taintedwisp | Gameplay videos for mini chop farms |
| 08:36.52 | Ahli | not enuff text |
| 08:37.04 | Taintedwisp | i had a WALL of text :( |
| 08:37.14 | Ahli | not enuff well written text |
| 08:37.23 | Taintedwisp | I had a WALL of text :))_ |
| 08:38.23 | Taintedwisp | i guess a shit leopard cant change its stripes though (TL being the shit leopard) |
| 08:38.25 | JademusSreg | Forums have purposes. TL doesn't want garbage, they moderate against garbage. |
| 08:38.36 | Taintedwisp | they moderate against everything :( |
| 08:38.37 | JademusSreg | Love their ban policies. <3 |
| 08:38.45 | Taintedwisp | They love snitches though.. |
| 08:38.58 | Taintedwisp | Every day, theres some player tattling on another :) |
| 08:39.25 | Taintedwisp | Who cares if someone cussed at you in a game... so you go pout about it on the forum s:) |
| 08:39.33 | Taintedwisp | I have seen my own name on there a few times :)) |
| 08:39.40 | Taintedwisp | I have had 2 acounts banned from TL haah |
| 08:39.48 | Taintedwisp | for causing a shit storm |
| 08:39.48 | JademusSreg | I have no idea about what you are talking. |
| 08:40.03 | JademusSreg | But it sounds like the ban was well-earned. =D |
| 08:40.20 | Taintedwisp | There is constant little kids, and mods bitching about other players trolling them in game, so when I see my own name being bitched about i go and troll them more |
| 08:40.20 | JademusSreg | According to their policies. |
| 08:40.38 | Taintedwisp | because I troll every game |
| 08:40.52 | Ahli | problem is trolling |
| 08:40.54 | Taintedwisp | If you troll correctly and mess with the other players head you can get an early advantage |
| 08:41.14 | Taintedwisp | The best being, :"I love how the zealot says my life for hire, are they mercenaries or something?" |
| 08:41.22 | Taintedwisp | When the opponate takes the bait... I win |
| 08:41.26 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 08:41.45 | Taintedwisp | the fuck up their early build |
| 08:41.50 | Taintedwisp | And allo wme to rush or tech up fast |
| 08:42.02 | Taintedwisp | either way, i get a huge advantage |
| 08:43.08 | Taintedwisp | that little zealot line has made players forget that turret behind the mineral line, and has made my oracle VERY efficient |
| 08:43.42 | Taintedwisp | < Plays dirty, but messing with the opponent is part of strategy at its highest level :) |
| 08:44.09 | Taintedwisp | hence why america dropped extra large condoms labelled average, in russia during the cold war |
| 08:48.56 | JademusSreg | Ahli, my addition of ApplyToTotal to the layout file causes the editor to crash if I save or attempt to open the UI module. =D |
| 08:50.01 | JademusSreg | I suspect it is because I have strange things in many fields that cannot be resolved to paths., |
| 08:50.14 | JademusSreg | Or it might be the colons. |
| 08:50.38 | Ahli | :D |
| 08:53.24 | JademusSreg | I suppose the sensible thing to do would be to fix all those paths. |
| 08:54.41 | Ahli | why can't we access the stuff the replay must use for player vision? :X |
| 08:55.00 | JademusSreg | Clarify? |
| 08:55.50 | JademusSreg | Also, do unit status bars function correctly outside of unit status frames? |
| 08:56.39 | Ahli | how would sc2 know to which unit the bar belongs? |
| 08:56.55 | JademusSreg | Just wondering if you've tested it. =D |
| 08:57.15 | Ahli | observers see the player's correct fog and snapshots |
| 08:59.22 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 09:00.07 | JademusSreg | By starting from scratch. |
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| 09:04.39 | Ahli | tracking fog data would require me to check everything around units and check the area around some effects and write that into a huuuuge array of points. |
| 09:05.16 | Ahli | *array of booleans saving info if point was scouted by player or not. then I can recreate the light fog areas |
| 09:06.13 | JademusSreg | Naw, not points, fortunately. |
| 09:07.55 | JademusSreg | Though you could use a recursive search of points to find revealed and visible areas, that sounds way too intensive for galaxy. |
| 09:09.35 | JademusSreg | I mean, I've tried approaches for detecting edges doing a search, quarter by nested quarter, and it's waaay too stressful. =D |
| 09:10.20 | Ahli | yeah... that whole thing would kill the performance of the map making it unplayable |
| 09:11.51 | JademusSreg | Anyway, since you can set regions to explored, mask, or currently visible, all you need is the most efficient approach to defining the two visibility regions. |
| 09:12.27 | JademusSreg | Regions do have a maximum complexity, I expect, even when generated dynamically. |
| 09:12.36 | JademusSreg | But I image there are ways around that. |
| 09:13.38 | JademusSreg | Do a periodic check of each unit, add a circle region shape to the explored and vision regions. |
| 09:14.49 | JademusSreg | The vision region is constructed fresh on each update, the explored region persists. |
| 09:15.02 | Ahli | that seems better :D |
| 09:15.05 | JademusSreg | Not too intensive. Just need to manage the regions efficiently. |
| 09:15.07 | Lajjla- | A1win_, all the Finns always say different things |
| 09:15.35 | Lajjla- | Another fin said that 'Kaikiin pyhin, näetkö tuota vihollista tuolla' is fine. |
| 09:15.45 | JademusSreg | I expect the region shape composition maxes out at some power of 2, so test that and you'll know the limits. |
| 09:15.58 | Lajjla- | And he would literally translate it as 'with the help of all the holy things, do you see that enemy there?' |
| 09:16.04 | A1win_ | do you mean "Kaikkein pyhin"? ;p |
| 09:16.05 | Lajjla- | kaikin* |
| 09:16.13 | Lajjla- | No, kaikin |
| 09:16.26 | A1win_ | that isn't even proper language |
| 09:16.28 | A1win_ | D: |
| 09:16.28 | Lajjla- | kaikkein is like a genitive |
| 09:16.45 | Lajjla- | No, kaikkein means like 'of the holies' |
| 09:16.53 | Lajjla- | kaikin is the isntructive case |
| 09:16.58 | A1win_ | it also means "the most holy" |
| 09:17.08 | A1win | err, the holist |
| 09:17.10 | A1win | *holiest |
| 09:17.13 | Lajjla- | Oh yeah |
| 09:17.14 | Lajjla- | that's true |
| 09:17.29 | Lajjla- | 'the most holy' |
| 09:17.35 | A1win | actually that's the only thing it means :P |
| 09:17.43 | Lajjla- | Nope, it's the instructive too |
| 09:17.44 | Lajjla- | Like ehh |
| 09:17.49 | Lajjla- | mä menen kaikin autoin |
| 09:17.55 | Lajjla- | I'm going by all the cars |
| 09:18.00 | A1win | yeah that, but I meant "kaikkein" |
| 09:18.12 | Kueken | similar to Küken, which means The most Truthful ;) |
| 09:18.19 | Kueken | right, Lajla? |
| 09:18.21 | Lajjla- | Well, kaikkein is also the genititive plural. |
| 09:18.30 | Lajjla- | Like ehh 'kaikkein silmäkuopasten silmäkuopat |
| 09:18.34 | Lajjla- | The eye sockets of all the finns |
| 09:19.00 | A1win | that would be "kaikkien" |
| 09:19.07 | A1win | :P |
| 09:19.39 | Lajjla- | You can use both apparently, but kaikkein is rare. |
| 09:19.48 | Lajjla- | Wiktionary says kaikkein is also possible but ratre |
| 09:19.54 | Lajjla- | truth be told, I only saw ity a couple of times. |
| 09:19.58 | A1win | probably some poetic or old use then |
| 09:20.56 | Lajjla- | "Rikkaimman kymmenesosan tulot olivat 23,6 prosenttia kaikkein suomalaisten yhteenlasketuista tuloista" |
| 09:21.14 | Lajjla- | Yeah, Ig uess |
| 09:21.21 | Lajjla- | I never use it, I always use kaikkien |
| 09:21.27 | A1win | mm that'd be "kaikkien" in modern language ;p |
| 09:21.37 | A1win | also, might be a typo :P |
| 09:21.46 | Lajjla- | Apparently you can use like ehh, hyväin too instead of hyvien |
| 09:22.03 | A1win | but anyway, the translation of that holy thing "can" be translated, it just isn't something you'd say in finnish |
| 09:22.11 | Lajjla- | Sure |
| 09:22.18 | Lajjla- | But it's more about the grammar |
| 09:22.23 | Lajjla- | I want to learn to use the isntructive case. |
| 09:22.52 | Lajjla- | Like ehh, say, minun pyhin kyrvin minä nussin sinua silmäkuoppaan |
| 09:22.55 | A1win | yeah those "hyväin" etc are often seen in bible and stuff like that where people want it to make sound fancy |
| 09:23.06 | Lajjla- | Yeah, see, I knew it |
| 09:23.11 | Lajjla- | It's possible, same rule. |
| 09:23.14 | Lajjla- | I sometimes see those forms. |
| 09:23.23 | Ahli | JademusSreg: hmm that thing has a problem with cliffs =/ |
| 09:23.28 | Ahli | and sight blockers |
| 09:23.30 | Lajjla- | A1win, but you can say the above right? |
| 09:23.37 | Lajjla- | WITH MY HOLY COCK I WILL FUCK YOU IN THE EYE SOCKET |
| 09:23.46 | A1win | kind of, doesn't sound fluent though :P |
| 09:23.48 | Lajjla- | Probably needs kyrvini |
| 09:23.51 | Lajjla- | Hmm |
| 09:23.59 | A1win | but it's correct |
| 09:24.16 | Lajjla- | And if I just normally said mun pyhällä kyrvälläni mä nussin sua silmäkuoppaasi? |
| 09:24.28 | A1win | same thing ;p |
| 09:24.31 | Lajjla- | Ahh |
| 09:24.34 | Lajjla- | How would you say it then? |
| 09:24.58 | A1win | also the first form is in plural |
| 09:25.09 | A1win | err I mean in the first sentence |
| 09:25.28 | A1win | dunno ;p |
| 09:25.52 | A1win | would at least omit one of the occurrences of "minun" |
| 09:26.01 | Lajjla- | Ahh |
| 09:26.03 | A1win | or both |
| 09:26.04 | Lajjla- | Yeah, true. |
| 09:26.40 | Lajjla- | I guess if I normally spoke, I wouild say 'mä nussin sua silmäkuoppaan pyhällä kyrvälläni |
| 09:27.04 | Lajjla- | I'd use the mä at the start of the sentence I guess. |
| 09:27.11 | A1win | most people say "panen" instead of "nussin" too ;p |
| 09:27.18 | Lajjla- | True |
| 09:27.33 | Lajjla- | I didn't use it in the first one because it doesn't sound quite as holy. |
| 09:27.40 | A1win | :P |
| 09:27.46 | A1win | none of that sounds holy |
| 09:27.53 | Lajjla- | I disagree |
| 09:28.09 | Lajjla- | mahtava pyhä kyrpä sounds quite holy. |
| 09:28.18 | Lajjla- | What's the Finnish word for to smite? |
| 09:28.40 | Lajjla- | iskeä eh |
| 09:28.44 | A1win | I guess it's just the same as strike |
| 09:28.56 | Lajjla- | Pfff |
| 09:28.59 | JademusSreg | Vis natives can check cliff level. |
| 09:29.03 | Lajjla- | A language needs a good word for to smite. |
| 09:29.04 | A1win | don't really have a biblical word for it |
| 09:29.12 | Lajjla- | How brililant is that, to smite, to hit someone in religious context. |
| 09:29.23 | A1win | hehe |
| 09:29.46 | JademusSreg | Sight blockers may present more difficulty. |
| 09:29.59 | Lajjla- | pyhin mähdin minä isken sinut. |
| 09:30.01 | Lajjla- | Something like that? |
| 09:30.07 | JademusSreg | But it's a good start. |
| 09:30.09 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 09:30.32 | A1win | err |
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| 09:31.35 | A1win | "iskeä" in that sense means to flirt or such |
| 09:31.47 | A1win | you'd have to use partitive |
| 09:31.53 | A1win | also what's "mähdin"? ;D |
| 09:31.56 | Lajjla | Ahhh |
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| 09:32.12 | A1win | "lyödä" might be better than "iskeä" for smite too ;p |
| 09:32.18 | Lajjla | Hmm |
| 09:32.24 | Lajjla | it's mahdein apparently. |
| 09:32.39 | Lajjla | Okay, pyhin mahdein minä lyön sinut. |
| 09:32.46 | A1win | *sinua |
| 09:33.06 | A1win | but that doesn't sound like what you want it to sound like |
| 09:33.30 | A1win | maybe if you add like "lyön sinut maahan" it sounds like "I'll smite you to the ground" |
| 09:34.22 | A1win | but you can't say "lyön sinut" without the whatever the literal phrase for that target thing is |
| 09:34.47 | Lajjla | Ahh |
| 09:34.48 | HP-X|Arthas | Finska? |
| 09:34.55 | A1win | ye ;p |
| 09:35.05 | HP-X|Arthas | I sure as hell hope you learned swedish in school |
| 09:35.07 | Lajjla | So you can say lÿon A1winin silmäkuopan maahan? |
| 09:35.16 | HP-X|Arthas | So we can eradicate the fin lingo when we take over! |
| 09:35.36 | A1win | you can't smite someone's eye socket to the ground :P it's a hole, not an object |
| 09:35.39 | HP-X|Arthas | Oh nvm, we dont have an army to begin with |
| 09:35.39 | Lajjla | Didn't youa lrady attempt that |
| 09:35.54 | A1win | ;p |
| 09:35.59 | HP-X|Arthas | Lajjla: Ya |
| 09:36.12 | A1win | yeah I learned a bit of swedish, haven't used it at all though so it's very rusty |
| 09:36.15 | HP-X|Arthas | Not sure why we lost the part of finland we did |
| 09:36.33 | HP-X|Arthas | A1win: Good, dont |
| 09:36.35 | HP-X|Arthas | Wait 10 years or so |
| 09:36.57 | HP-X|Arthas | We are working on raping our own language so itll be an new language soon anyway :p |
| 09:37.03 | A1win | :x |
| 09:37.44 | HP-X|Arthas | Oh, but you did spawn finntroll and ruoska |
| 09:37.49 | HP-X|Arthas | :D |
| 09:39.05 | HP-X|Arthas | How do you say knife in finnish? |
| 09:39.06 | A1win | and IRC! |
| 09:39.16 | A1win | "veitsi" |
| 09:39.39 | HP-X|Arthas | IRC? :O |
| 09:39.40 | A1win | or "puukko" if you mean a combat knife |
| 09:39.43 | A1win | yea ;p |
| 09:39.55 | HP-X|Arthas | amagad |
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| 09:40.02 | HP-X|Arthas | fucking jarkookoko |
| 09:40.28 | HP-X|Arthas | I learned something new today! |
| 09:40.31 | A1win | hehe |
| 09:41.21 | Taintedwisp | THE GREEN BASTARD IS THE WINNER!! |
| 09:42.02 | Lajjla | puukko doesn'tsound deadly at all. |
| 09:42.04 | A1win | "mora" is also a word for a combat knife, but not used as often |
| 09:42.07 | Lajjla | It sounds like some stupid kids cartoon |
| 09:42.21 | A1win | well it's not strictly for combat knife |
| 09:42.22 | A1win | I mean |
| 09:42.22 | A1win | err |
| 09:42.31 | A1win | hunting knife |
| 09:43.03 | A1win | don't really have an actual word for combat knife |
| 09:43.04 | HP-X|Arthas | morakniv |
| 09:43.19 | HP-X|Arthas | http://www.swedishknives.com/images/Morakniv%20classic%201%20carbon%20sheath.jpg |
| 09:43.28 | A1win | ah yeah it comes from swedish |
| 09:43.35 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mora_knife |
| 09:44.20 | HP-X|Arthas | Mooo-rakniiifen |
| 09:44.29 | HP-X|Arthas | If im to use pitemåle |
| 09:44.31 | HP-X|Arthas | anyway :p |
| 09:44.38 | HP-X|Arthas | oh wait, no |
| 09:44.47 | HP-X|Arthas | That's if I'm drunk with a fin :p |
| 09:45.10 | HP-X|Arthas | You should totally come over and party! |
| 09:45.21 | HP-X|Arthas | sc2mapster get together |
| 09:45.23 | Ahli | after 5:37 the vision change with the fog data lags 8 real time seconds |
| 09:45.48 | HP-X|Arthas | Still having clothes after 8PM will be considered a failure! |
| 09:46.13 | A1win | I'm a weird finn who doesn't like to party o: |
| 09:46.20 | HP-X|Arthas | You can learn |
| 09:46.29 | HP-X|Arthas | You don't like sauna either? =( |
| 09:46.40 | A1win | I do ;p |
| 09:46.51 | HP-X|Arthas | Good :) |
| 09:46.54 | A1win | what kind of question is that |
| 09:46.54 | A1win | :P |
| 09:47.05 | HP-X|Arthas | You don't like to party |
| 09:47.27 | HP-X|Arthas | A fin without vodka is unheard of over here! |
| 09:47.38 | HP-X|Arthas | You are all drunk, like to sauna and carry knives |
| 09:48.13 | A1win | :x |
| 09:48.15 | HP-X|Arthas | I just do the first two :D |
| 09:48.33 | A1win | I don't even drink D: |
| 09:49.09 | A1win | except coke, because I don't drink coffee and I have a caffeine addiction ;( |
| 09:49.39 | HP-X|Arthas | Caffeine kickstarts my stomach :\ |
| 09:50.28 | D_u_c_k | whats the key combination shortcut to zooming in in the terrain editor |
| 09:50.48 | HP-X|Arthas | A1win: how old are you? |
| 09:51.16 | A1win | 27 |
| 09:51.18 | HP-X|Arthas | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2j2gcE15bs |
| 09:51.32 | HP-X|Arthas | Then you *should* appreciate that one |
| 09:51.33 | HP-X|Arthas | :p |
| 09:51.44 | HP-X|Arthas | Somewhere back in time |
| 09:51.52 | A1win | not available in finland apparently |
| 09:51.57 | A1win | This video contains content from SME, UMG, Kontor New Media, Violent Music BV, Demon Music, Time S.p.A., Believe, [Merlin] Playground Music Scandinavia and [Merlin] CNR Entertainment. It is not available in your country. |
| 09:51.59 | HP-X|Arthas | :\ |
| 09:52.37 | HP-X|Arthas | That sucks :( |
| 09:53.38 | JademusSreg | Impressive it was claimed by so many. |
| 09:54.07 | HP-X|Arthas | Well |
| 09:54.08 | A1win | I didn't listen to a lot of music when I was young though :x |
| 09:54.16 | HP-X|Arthas | They must really hate Suomi :p |
| 09:54.19 | Ahli | I only got GEMA |
| 09:54.30 | A1win | I'm more like from the Internet than from Finland :P |
| 09:54.30 | Ahli | and only content by UMG |
| 09:54.31 | HP-X|Arthas | If you where on the dance floor once, you will have heard at least 5 of these |
| 09:54.52 | HP-X|Arthas | :D |
| 09:56.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster MindWorX (~MindWorX@80-161-13-134-static.dk.customer.tdc.net) |
| 09:57.21 | HP-X|Arthas | no worries, i fix |
| 10:04.59 | Zolden | is there a validator to calculate a specific persistent effects in area? |
| 10:18.28 | HP-X|Arthas | A1win: 50% uploaded |
| 10:18.32 | HP-X|Arthas | Big ass file :( |
| 10:18.34 | A1win | :P |
| 10:19.10 | HP-X|Arthas | http://pastebin.com/ZjcKz4QK |
| 10:19.14 | HP-X|Arthas | There's the desc anyway :p |
| 10:20.08 | A1win | yea I know some of them, probably wouldn't like them much though ;p |
| 10:20.23 | Ahli | oh god, djbobo |
| 10:21.09 | A1win | I started listening to trance in the late 90s, and then psy and stuff and only in recent years I've added more genres to my preference :P |
| 10:21.29 | HP-X|Arthas | sphongle? |
| 10:21.39 | HP-X|Arthas | btw, did hots add anything to the editor |
| 10:21.43 | HP-X|Arthas | except for models |
| 10:22.04 | A1win | nah, same editor |
| 10:22.13 | A1win | yeah Shpongle is good |
| 10:22.14 | HP-X|Arthas | No new triggers or so |
| 10:22.24 | A1win | Infected Mushroom is one of my long-time favorites |
| 10:22.32 | HP-X|Arthas | psychadelic |
| 10:22.32 | HP-X|Arthas | :p |
| 10:22.42 | A1win | that's what I said ;p |
| 10:22.45 | HP-X|Arthas | ya |
| 10:23.22 | A1win | IM started making DUBSTEP now though, going a bit downhill |
| 10:23.47 | HP-X|Arthas | less dubstep more scenemusic |
| 10:24.11 | HP-X|Arthas | https://www.scenemusic.net/demovibes/ |
| 10:24.34 | A1win | there's also some metal I like, Moonsorrow particularly :x |
| 10:24.44 | D_u_c_k | is there a water pather? so units can only move in water |
| 10:25.05 | HP-X|Arthas | A1win: Machinae supremacy? :p |
| 10:25.08 | A1win | nah, water is mostly just an aesthetic thing |
| 10:25.10 | HP-X|Arthas | gogo sid metal |
| 10:25.11 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 10:25.21 | A1win | masu is nice |
| 10:25.36 | HP-X|Arthas | :) |
| 10:25.43 | HP-X|Arthas | They are not awesome live |
| 10:25.53 | D_u_c_k | yea gotta do it with regions then ... |
| 10:25.57 | HP-X|Arthas | guitarrist was more or less falling off stage :D |
| 10:26.03 | HP-X|Arthas | Too drunk |
| 10:26.09 | A1win | epic song by moonsorrow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgZA5J00aeU |
| 10:26.10 | A1win | hehe |
| 10:26.29 | HP-X|Arthas | Hmm, how was your swedish |
| 10:26.53 | HP-X|Arthas | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9eQoMhhqzo |
| 10:26.54 | HP-X|Arthas | :p |
| 10:27.18 | HP-X|Arthas | sounds like folkmetal |
| 10:27.52 | HP-X|Arthas | I totally forgot you had sonata too |
| 10:27.55 | HP-X|Arthas | Thank you finland |
| 10:27.57 | HP-X|Arthas | <3 |
| 10:28.07 | A1win | hehe |
| 10:28.11 | HP-X|Arthas | Or well, thanks for full moon anyway :p |
| 10:28.27 | A1win | I don't like their english pronunciation but otherwise they're fine |
| 10:29.02 | HP-X|Arthas | luca turilli, rhapsody, human fortress, within? |
| 10:29.05 | HP-X|Arthas | + temptation |
| 10:29.19 | A1win | nah haven't listened to them |
| 10:29.48 | A1win | Detektivbyrån is awesome btw ;o |
| 10:29.54 | HP-X|Arthas | Hmmm |
| 10:30.07 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBU3waTWrv8 |
| 10:30.15 | D_u_c_k | i want to do a ramp thats like a circle around a point how do i do that :/ it just keeps removing the cliffs |
| 10:31.04 | HP-X|Arthas | hahaha |
| 10:31.04 | HP-X|Arthas | wtf |
| 10:32.10 | JademusSreg | Raise the terrain mesh? |
| 10:32.12 | HP-X|Arthas | not what i expected |
| 10:32.27 | A1win | hehe |
| 10:32.36 | A1win | I don't think anyone would expect that ;D |
| 10:32.46 | A1win | their choice in instruments is epic |
| 10:32.53 | HP-X|Arthas | http://www.mediafire.com/?wuaos46l7j0y2 |
| 10:32.56 | HP-X|Arthas | Thereya go A1win |
| 10:32.57 | HP-X|Arthas | ! |
| 10:33.17 | D_u_c_k | oh and it doent acually need to be a ramp it just has to look like one :) |
| 10:33.29 | A1win | the album version is better but it's cool to see them perform live http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QsLEBzQIos |
| 10:33.46 | HP-X|Arthas | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qsWFFuYZYI |
| 10:33.48 | HP-X|Arthas | Seen that one? |
| 10:34.20 | A1win | yeah |
| 10:35.08 | HP-X|Arthas | and ronald jenkees? |
| 10:35.25 | A1win | doesn't ring a bell |
| 10:35.45 | HP-X|Arthas | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O2aH4XLbto |
| 10:35.46 | HP-X|Arthas | :D |
| 10:36.30 | A1win | heh |
| 10:37.24 | HP-X|Arthas | right, I need to look for jobs |
| 10:37.26 | HP-X|Arthas | brb 5 min |
| 10:38.52 | A1win | Heavyweight is the best song by Infected Mushroom, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4lMO4vM5Cc |
| 10:38.57 | A1win | can't seem to get tired of it ;p |
| 10:39.23 | HP-X|Arthas | I used to love insane or whatever its called |
| 10:39.25 | HP-X|Arthas | :D |
| 10:39.38 | A1win | Becoming Insane |
| 10:40.01 | A1win | http://www.last.fm/user/A1win there, says more than linking individual songs ;p |
| 10:40.04 | HP-X|Arthas | Ah, that one |
| 10:40.13 | A1win | 196456 plays since 2004 x_X |
| 10:40.21 | HP-X|Arthas | Two steps from hell |
| 10:40.22 | HP-X|Arthas | nice |
| 10:40.30 | HP-X|Arthas | X-Ray dog is similar |
| 10:40.34 | HP-X|Arthas | but their songs are usually short |
| 10:40.36 | HP-X|Arthas | :( |
| 10:40.44 | HP-X|Arthas | gogo epic trailer music :p |
| 10:41.06 | HP-X|Arthas | stopped counting the instances of infected on A1win's list |
| 10:41.08 | A1win | too bad the site doesn't keep track of song lengths |
| 10:41.43 | A1win | only shows number of songs listened, not duration :P |
| 10:41.51 | HP-X|Arthas | no finntroll in there |
| 10:41.54 | HP-X|Arthas | You need to fix |
| 10:41.55 | HP-X|Arthas | ! |
| 10:42.29 | HP-X|Arthas | Infected mushroom, no matter how fucking weird it sounds it's still good |
| 10:42.34 | A1win | haha Ben Prunty has made it to my top 20, thanks to short song lengths |
| 10:42.43 | A1win | he made FTL soundtrack |
| 10:42.59 | A1win | and I listened to it for like 2 weeks straight last month or so :D |
| 10:43.03 | HP-X|Arthas | Ah |
| 10:43.34 | HP-X|Arthas | oh sonata was top 10 |
| 10:43.47 | HP-X|Arthas | juno reactor has some nice tunes too |
| 10:44.05 | A1win | haven't listened to sonata arctica in a long while though |
| 10:44.30 | A1win | metal doesn't easily make it to top lists because songs are so long ;p |
| 10:44.45 | A1win | like moonsorrow's 15 min per song albums :P |
| 10:44.47 | HP-X|Arthas | traci lords |
| 10:44.51 | HP-X|Arthas | rings a bell |
| 10:44.54 | HP-X|Arthas | why |
| 10:44.58 | HP-X|Arthas | mortal kombat soundtrack? |
| 10:45.02 | HP-X|Arthas | or d3 |
| 10:45.08 | HP-X|Arthas | blizz music? |
| 10:45.31 | A1win | MK apparently |
| 10:45.41 | HP-X|Arthas | :) |
| 10:45.56 | A1win | probably just got the songs from some friend |
| 10:46.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster asqq (70d6c62a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.214.198.42) |
| 10:46.08 | asqq | can anyone help me? |
| 10:46.09 | HP-X|Arthas | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNJDMICMnfs |
| 10:46.16 | HP-X|Arthas | asqq: Shoot, we'll try! |
| 10:46.29 | asqq | player 1 must use an ability of the unit |
| 10:46.47 | asqq | player 1 must not use move, attack abilities of the unit |
| 10:47.27 | HP-X|Arthas | remove move, stop, attack etc from the unit |
| 10:47.35 | asqq | i think i just need to add other ability to other unit |
| 10:47.44 | asqq | if i remove them, the unit can't move |
| 10:48.31 | HP-X|Arthas | i know ive fixed that back when sc2 was new, but i dont remember how |
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| 10:48.56 | asqq | impossible? |
| 10:49.04 | HP-X|Arthas | dont think so |
| 10:49.05 | HP-X|Arthas | sec |
| 10:50.22 | A1win | you need a Smart ability that overrides smart clicks of the move ability |
| 10:50.24 | HP-X|Arthas | http://www.forum.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/map-development/9105-move-command-not-accesible-for-player-owner/ |
| 10:50.26 | A1win | and remove Move from the command card |
| 10:50.39 | HP-X|Arthas | "Make a copy of move and disable smart. Remove the normal from from the Unit's abilities and give it this new move (do not add it to the command card)." |
| 10:50.57 | A1win | oh you can disable smart from move |
| 10:51.25 | HP-X|Arthas | although id copy move in order to not affect other player units |
| 10:51.35 | asqq | if i dont add command card |
| 10:51.41 | asqq | if i click right mouse button |
| 10:51.43 | asqq | i can move |
| 10:51.47 | HP-X|Arthas | thats smart |
| 10:51.53 | A1win | more great songs! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETbGpGJNVLM |
| 10:51.54 | HP-X|Arthas | thus, remove smart from the ability you make |
| 10:52.23 | asqq | what is smart |
| 10:52.33 | A1win | right-clicking |
| 10:52.39 | HP-X|Arthas | if you right click it it assumes you wanna move |
| 10:52.47 | A1win | like you select units and right-click, that's called a Smart Click |
| 10:52.47 | HP-X|Arthas | or attack if you click a unit |
| 10:52.49 | HP-X|Arthas | follow on ally etc |
| 10:53.24 | asqq | there is no smart thing in move ability |
| 10:53.27 | asqq | or attack ability |
| 10:53.49 | A1win | mm thought so, you'll have to make a dummy ability that overrides it |
| 10:53.55 | twpdoe | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkADj0TPrJA |
| 10:54.15 | asqq | i guess i must make it uncommandable |
| 10:54.30 | asqq | and make other ability |
| 10:54.38 | A1win | why uncommandable? |
| 10:54.39 | asqq | looks like waste of time |
| 10:54.55 | asqq | there is no smart so i must make abilities |
| 10:55.07 | HP-X|Arthas | smart is a flag is it not? |
| 10:55.15 | asqq | there is no smart flag |
| 10:55.18 | asqq | in move, attack |
| 10:55.39 | asqq | i can add ability in few seconds |
| 10:58.40 | HP-X|Arthas | is there any xml doc files around anymore |
| 11:00.16 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 11:00.48 | HP-X|Arthas | JademusSreg: how do you disable smart |
| 11:00.52 | HP-X|Arthas | I dont have access to editor :p |
| 11:01.14 | JademusSreg | Depends on the ability type in question. |
| 11:01.16 | HP-X|Arthas | I found my xml tutorial though! |
| 11:01.18 | HP-X|Arthas | move |
| 11:01.56 | HP-X|Arthas | copy it and remove smart from the copy. asqq wants to do it. |
| 11:02.36 | asqq | sry i just made ability. i dont understand your way and there is no smart flag |
| 11:02.39 | D_u_c_k | how do i make units unable to walk up ramps? |
| 11:02.56 | asqq | just make region and knockback them. |
| 11:03.17 | asqq | or add block path |
| 11:03.32 | JademusSreg | Move doesn't have a smart flag, but it does have smart filters. |
| 11:03.34 | asqq | ground block path |
| 11:03.54 | asqq | i dont know how to do that |
| 11:04.02 | D_u_c_k | i want some units to be able to pass but prevent all units with the "heroic" attribute form using ramps |
| 11:04.12 | JademusSreg | I happen to have a move ability with disabled smart command. |
| 11:04.22 | asqq | even if it has smart filters, i dont know how to do that for my unit |
| 11:04.55 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/nkrjt |
| 11:05.36 | asqq | i dont understand that paste |
| 11:06.21 | JademusSreg | Exercise patience. More importantly, I would advise to tinker and test before requesting assistance. Given time, patience, and curiosity, anyone can understand the editor. |
| 11:06.44 | JademusSreg | Anyway, the important parts here are the Priority fields. |
| 11:06.59 | JademusSreg | MoveSmartPriority is 0, as are the others. |
| 11:08.05 | asqq | i dont understand at all. i think you dont need to spend time on it |
| 11:08.20 | asqq | i just solved it in other way |
| 11:08.41 | asqq | anyone interested in dungeon striker? |
| 11:08.45 | JademusSreg | But yeah, one should take the time to understand how shit works. It's not like the game will uninstall itself and explode your computer if you throw a few errors. |
| 11:08.48 | Zolden | I used to think that not too low intellect is also required to understand the editor, but maybe curiosity and patience is indeed enough |
| 11:08.56 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 11:08.57 | HP-X|Arthas | JademusSreg: OR WILL IT!? |
| 11:09.09 | JademusSreg | HP, that would be the best map ever. |
| 11:09.17 | HP-X|Arthas | I'd so upload it |
| 11:09.19 | HP-X|Arthas | :p |
| 11:09.23 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 11:09.43 | HP-X|Arthas | Btw, how does publishing maps work these days |
| 11:09.54 | HP-X|Arthas | Still need US acc if you are normally on EU acc |
| 11:10.11 | Zolden | just change the region in editor pereferences |
| 11:10.30 | A1win | if you can't, you're missing an XML file somewhere |
| 11:10.49 | A1win | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/47972-global-play-publishing-available/ |
| 11:10.49 | Zolden | regions.xml in sc2 folder may be required |
| 11:11.30 | A1win | and need to be logged off from battle.net in the editor |
| 11:11.31 | asqq | lol my time is more important than the program. don't insult me like that. |
| 11:11.48 | Ahli | the xml file is required for some reason :S |
| 11:11.51 | HP-X|Arthas | Good to know |
| 11:12.07 | asqq | you take your time on that shit. |
| 11:13.48 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
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| 11:15.26 | Stewox | why does data duplication not link properly in actors, when duplicating pylon you need to duplicate all actors, but duplicating void ray it is not needed, also duplicating void ray charge X01 X02 stages also links the original ones |
| 11:15.50 | Stewox | duplication also is buggy, editor text is not copied etc |
| 11:15.59 | Stewox | editor comments* |
| 11:16.58 | HP-X|Arthas | I always did duplication manually |
| 11:17.09 | HP-X|Arthas | since I thought data editor just made a mess |
| 11:17.13 | JademusSreg | Best to not duplicate unless you understand the relationships, since fixing the predictable duplication errors requires it. |
| 11:17.23 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 11:17.41 | HP-X|Arthas | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/347-xml-inventory-items-powerups-and-more-part-1/ |
| 11:17.46 | HP-X|Arthas | Wrote that shit back in the days |
| 11:17.51 | HP-X|Arthas | More or less greek to me now |
| 11:17.56 | HP-X|Arthas | Part 2 never made it! |
| 11:18.23 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 11:18.24 | Stewox | so how the fuck can I duplicate then ? |
| 11:18.28 | Stewox | wtf is this shit |
| 11:18.33 | Stewox | upgrades are not linked |
| 11:18.40 | HP-X|Arthas | is the xml documentation still around on the wiki |
| 11:18.41 | Stewox | but theye were with void ray |
| 11:18.42 | HP-X|Arthas | i cant seem to find it |
| 11:18.49 | Stewox | why not for pylon |
| 11:18.57 | JademusSreg | Duplicate must be the worst feature of the data editor. |
| 11:19.11 | Stewox | oh thefore im not going to use it at all |
| 11:19.28 | Stewox | thanks, i though I wasn't using it right |
| 11:19.31 | HP-X|Arthas | I see you want to duplicate a marine. Here let me fuck all the dependencies up and name it LOLZERGLING_00003 |
| 11:19.41 | HP-X|Arthas | That's how I felt working with duplicate |
| 11:20.21 | HP-X|Arthas | Also, your new marine explodes when a foe is within sight range |
| 11:21.33 | JademusSreg | More accurately, it allows users to get by with only the most superficial understanding of how shit works, without any concern for what its component values actually do. =D |
| 11:22.20 | HP-X|Arthas | You could be a great manager JademusSreg |
| 11:22.30 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 11:22.36 | HP-X|Arthas | Putting nice words on things! |
| 11:22.40 | HP-X|Arthas | I'd be a crappy one |
| 11:22.53 | HP-X|Arthas | I'd probably backtalk the customers :p |
| 11:23.13 | HP-X|Arthas | And the employees! |
| 11:23.30 | HP-X|Arthas | Then I'd stab them with me blade |
| 11:24.25 | JademusSreg | Can't imagine managing people would be all that gratifying to me. |
| 11:27.27 | HP-X|Arthas | You and your big words |
| 11:27.30 | Stewox | okay |
| 11:27.34 | HP-X|Arthas | Good thing google is a dictionary now too! :D |
| 11:27.37 | Stewox | how can I duplicate manually then ? |
| 11:27.52 | HP-X|Arthas | Who knows, perhaps they would :) |
| 11:28.15 | HP-X|Arthas | Manually copy all the data that is used and link it together |
| 11:28.24 | HP-X|Arthas | more or less :p |
| 11:28.29 | HP-X|Arthas | gotta run for a bit |
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| 11:29.51 | JademusSreg | I take it you'd rather not take a few months learning everthing from the bottom up, so the fastest route is to duplicate and fix any broken links. |
| 11:30.35 | JademusSreg | The link navigator in the bottom left (or wherever) would help you in that regard. Compare yours to the original and note discrepencies. |
| 11:30.36 | Monkalizer | sound problem: if I want to disable music and ambiance, but play a voice-over + rain sound effect, how should I set up the channel muting/pausing? |
| 11:32.47 | JademusSreg | Game UI or Gameplay data has some sound channel related stuff, iirc. Plus, some sound-related trigger stuff. |
| 11:33.22 | JademusSreg | SoundStopAllModelSounds (); SoundStopAllTriggerSounds (bool fade); |
| 11:34.05 | JademusSreg | SoundChannelSetVolume (playergroup players, int channel, fixed volume, fixed duration); SoundChannelMute (playergroup players, int channel, bool mute); SoundChannelPause (playergroup players, int channel, bool pause); SoundChannelStop (playergroup players, int channel); |
| 11:34.52 | JademusSreg | The trigger GUI actions are almost certainly named similarly. |
| 11:35.05 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVHUvXPqWuE why did I need to find that on reddit to know that? :X |
| 11:35.20 | JademusSreg | To know what? |
| 11:36.53 | Ahli | know that this exists |
| 11:37.21 | JademusSreg | What is it? |
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| 11:42.21 | twpdoe | some essance |
| 11:43.13 | Monkalizer | i think something funky happens when you are in cutscenes mode |
| 11:49.26 | Zolden | something funkalizy happens |
| 11:53.08 | Stewox | what means Prevent destroy flag on unit |
| 11:54.15 | Ahli | I think it belongs to the "has no more forces left" thing in melee |
| 11:54.33 | Ahli | but I don't really know... the other prevents belong to that 100% |
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| 11:59.00 | JademusSreg | Ahli, since I need to get this test layout to load in the editor, I'm also reformatting it to be more readable, which should reduce size and increase the profile of relevant information. |
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| 12:04.31 | Stewox_ | so what's with the smart targeting jademus, heard something from before but is it possible at all ? |
| 12:11.42 | JademusSreg | Ah, it should be. I've not looked into fine detail as to how interceptors are handled. |
| 12:12.16 | JademusSreg | Assuming they are permitted to choose their own targets, it requires some clever use of target sorts. |
| 12:13.09 | JademusSreg | But doesn't seem worth the effort to do that, so now I'm back to considering scripting it. |
| 12:13.31 | JademusSreg | If they were controlled by an AI player, that would open up some possibilities, but no matter. |
| 12:14.53 | JademusSreg | But I can't be certain until I run my own tests, and that will need to wait until I finish more urgent tasks. |
| 12:15.24 | JademusSreg | Though it is an interesting problem, so it certainly merits my interest. |
| 12:15.30 | JademusSreg | And attention. =D |
| 12:26.46 | Kueken | what could ever be more urgent than that? |
| 12:30.08 | JademusSreg | Whatever I happen to be doing. |
| 12:30.20 | Stewox_ | well okay |
| 12:32.39 | JademusSreg | The list of things I'm doing include further layout frame element support tests and making an MUI, functionally identical HotS-style hero display with the intent of actually improving it so it runs autonomously. (The HotS campaign version uses triggers to update shit. =\ ) |
| 12:43.35 | Kueken | also, breathing, heart-beating, living and just plain existing |
| 12:43.42 | Kueken | man, you are a multi-tasker |
| 12:44.15 | JademusSreg | Include != Consists entirely of |
| 12:44.22 | JademusSreg | But thanks. =D |
| 12:45.27 | Kueken | it was a statement, no compliment |
| 12:47.09 | JademusSreg | Is multi-tasking not a valued attribute? |
| 12:51.24 | Zolden | these things are done automatically, only things runned by will may be considered as processes a person "doing" |
| 12:53.02 | JademusSreg | Is that to say his observation of a valued attribute was an error on his part, or was the statement insincere? =D |
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| 12:54.26 | Kueken | oh no, Jade, I am always sincere when I speak with you |
| 12:54.49 | Kueken | and I am sure, multi-tasking is valued by a lot of people |
| 12:57.34 | JademusSreg | Ah, but then a statement of fact does not preclude complimentary sentiment. If anything, a complimentary statement of fact is more endearing and affecting than an insincere compliment from a good intention alone. And so I reiterate, thanks. =D |
| 13:00.20 | D_u_c_k | kueken? so i wanted to prevent heroic units from using ramps but allow all others on my map to pass through them, so i added collision:"force field" to all heroic units and removed collsion "force field" from all others, copied forcefield, removed all collsions exept for "forcefield" and set the model to "invisible" any issues that might cause i m not aware of? |
| 13:01.21 | Kueken | :p |
| 13:01.35 | Kueken | jade, did I mention you always know what to say? |
| 13:01.43 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 13:02.28 | Kueken | D_u_c_k: I used the same method before, and I didn't notice any major issues |
| 13:02.53 | Kueken | as long as you don't need something similar with building collisions |
| 13:03.05 | Kueken | footprints do not support these pathing layers |
| 13:03.27 | Kueken | however for your application of blocking ramps, it should be fine |
| 13:03.58 | D_u_c_k | naa all my units are ground so they collide with buildings anyways |
| 13:06.51 | D_u_c_k | grrrr..... i just found out there is a "test hero" if id have known that a month ago.... |
| 13:08.05 | ckSynergy | Morning |
| 13:13.54 | D_u_c_k | ok sooo the test hero is working the sho isnt ? |
| 13:14.00 | Kueken | the scv? |
| 13:14.01 | D_u_c_k | *shop |
| 13:14.03 | D_u_c_k | yea |
| 13:14.10 | Ahli | sooooo, let's see what I should use to implement auras with dynamic ranges and values... |
| 13:14.18 | D_u_c_k | its inventory is better than my current one ^^ |
| 13:14.22 | Kueken | :D |
| 13:14.43 | Kueken | Ahli: since you ask, I assume catalog triggers are not an option? |
| 13:15.13 | Ahli | catalog might be an option |
| 13:15.24 | Ahli | or... should be |
| 13:15.35 | Kueken | range should definitely be changeable |
| 13:15.51 | Ahli | yes... just the amount that the skill has needs to be saved somehow... |
| 13:15.52 | Kueken | and since some patch you can modify behavior values as well, right? |
| 13:15.55 | Kueken | never tried |
| 13:16.23 | Ahli | well, I need a generic storage field in a buff |
| 13:16.26 | JademusSreg | If it doesn't need to be MUI, catalog is sufficient. |
| 13:17.24 | Kueken | hm |
| 13:17.28 | Kueken | stating the obvious |
| 13:17.44 | Kueken | does this count towards "always know what to say"? |
| 13:18.15 | Kueken | Ahli: Didn't quite get what the problem with the amount now? |
| 13:18.20 | Kueken | *is |
| 13:18.24 | JademusSreg | One would be surprised how often the obvious is missed; it's overlooked precisely because one believes it to be too obvious to merit scrutiny. =D |
| 13:18.26 | Ahli | I want to save a resist fire value |
| 13:18.43 | Ahli | that is added for having the behavior... (or a level value) |
| 13:19.04 | Kueken | via damage response? |
| 13:19.10 | Ahli | no |
| 13:19.16 | Kueken | or just a value to check in triggers |
| 13:19.23 | Ahli | my damage is triggered and stats are contained within custom values |
| 13:19.51 | Ahli | I only need it to carry a value |
| 13:19.55 | Kueken | you could use some field in the behavior that has no effect |
| 13:20.15 | Kueken | something from the damagre response for example, when the chance is set to 0 |
| 13:20.35 | Ahli | adding the starting time info on the behavior instance was easy... but this, hmm |
| 13:20.51 | Ahli | might work... how terrible is catalog? |
| 13:20.56 | Kueken | or just execute a dummy effect on the affected units and handle the rest via trigger |
| 13:21.01 | Kueken | probably custom value |
| 13:21.30 | JademusSreg | Catalogs are easy. |
| 13:21.36 | Kueken | ...might be easier to handle with a dummy behavior |
| 13:21.43 | JademusSreg | Mirrors the XML structure. |
| 13:21.59 | Kueken | terrible in the sens eof performance? |
| 13:22.01 | Ahli | currently the whole stats system is build up that it rebuilds itself completely, so that value might be read quite often |
| 13:22.11 | JademusSreg | Oh, pretty slow. |
| 13:22.28 | Kueken | reading is quite fast afaik |
| 13:22.52 | Ahli | or I try if I can hook that onto the duration... |
| 13:22.56 | Kueken | I think I read about 5 times global variable read time |
| 13:23.06 | Kueken | which is nothing |
| 13:23.09 | JademusSreg | But you don't notice speed for get/set ops until you're in 100000+ ops per thread. |
| 13:24.02 | Kueken | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.21 | Kueken | but unless you do something really stupid, you can do tons and tons of stuff |
| 13:24.47 | Kueken | no need to try and find a data workaround for everything ;) |
| 13:26.16 | Ahli | I think I could just store it in a charge regen time :D |
| 13:26.28 | Ahli | that's what I did for my max duration |
| 13:26.35 | JademusSreg | Funny thing, custom links are valid for cooldown and charge functions. |
| 13:26.40 | JademusSreg | Yesss. |
| 13:27.04 | Kueken | yes, renee used them as infinite extensions for custom value ) |
| 13:27.12 | Ahli | :D |
| 13:27.12 | JademusSreg | I wasn't aware. =D |
| 13:28.28 | Kueken | I thought you went through GAx3? |
| 13:28.35 | JademusSreg | Came across it a long time ago, before many of the weapon-related natives were added, while attempting to make micromanagement AI. |
| 13:28.41 | JademusSreg | Nope. =D |
| 13:28.59 | Kueken | you should |
| 13:29.04 | Kueken | a lot of interesting stuff |
| 13:29.06 | Ahli | http://pastebin.com/ajTM2eJy that's how I add the max duration to the behavior :) |
| 13:29.46 | Kueken | that looks.... dirty |
| 13:30.16 | JademusSreg | Maybe someday I will. More stimulating for me to tinker and test than to read tutorials and emulate others' work, haha. |
| 13:30.47 | Kueken | no neet to emulate, just read through the code once :) |
| 13:31.05 | Kueken | anyway, Ahli, what does that do? |
| 13:31.24 | Stewox_ | how long will those things take jademus |
| 13:31.29 | Stewox_ | days weeks ? |
| 13:31.49 | Kueken | that stores a value in the behavior on the hero? |
| 13:32.12 | Ahli | adds buff, sets starting duration time information into that buff instance... |
| 13:32.32 | JademusSreg | SregTime |
| 13:32.55 | Kueken | okay |
| 13:33.06 | Ahli | starting time = cooldown - remaining time |
| 13:33.08 | Kueken | that related to the problem at hand? |
| 13:34.11 | Ahli | it's something I can exploit to store behavior values... but it has quite a delay to update. might not be appropriate for an aura... |
| 13:34.53 | Kueken | okay, how exactly is the fire resistance being determined? |
| 13:37.09 | Ahli | a trigger function needs to calculate it with the behavior on hero as indicator that he has that. That value is then used to calculate the total fire resistance which is stored within the hero's custom values for combat calculations. |
| 13:38.17 | Kueken | and it should be updated, whenever the affected unit gets in or out of aura range, or when the aura gets stronger by any means |
| 13:38.52 | Ahli | indeed |
| 13:39.02 | Kueken | alright |
| 13:39.25 | Kueken | in this case, I probably wouldn't even store the information within the behavior |
| 13:39.42 | Ahli | where would u store it? |
| 13:40.10 | Kueken | make the behavior do nothing, just provide a buff icon if you need it, then set up a trigger reacting to units getting or losing the behavior |
| 13:40.22 | Kueken | and when it triggers update the custom value directly |
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| 13:41.00 | Kueken | I assume the strength of the aura is determined by other external factors you could collect in this trigger |
| 13:41.16 | Kueken | attributes or something |
| 13:41.38 | Ahli | I can't alter the custom value directly because that is against how my whole stats calculation system is set up |
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| 13:42.05 | Kueken | then alter the stats directly ;) |
| 13:42.16 | Kueken | I assume, you have a fire resistent stat then |
| 13:42.38 | Ahli | I would need to save an external aura changes array that I would alter with that |
| 13:43.14 | Ahli | hmm, well... let me think |
| 13:43.39 | Kueken | you lost me with that last message |
| 13:43.56 | Ahli | my brain is working in quirks.... |
| 13:44.02 | Kueken | I guess, I am not familiar enough with your system |
| 13:44.38 | Ahli | hmm, it should work with monsters, too |
| 13:45.08 | Kueken | point is, you don't need to store anything in any data fields, if you handle everything with custom values and triggered damage etc anyway |
| 13:45.23 | Kueken | the only thing you need data for is to provide the range of the aura |
| 13:46.09 | Kueken | or, I should say, apply the behavior |
| 13:46.18 | Kueken | since you change the range via trigger |
| 13:46.20 | Kueken | ;) |
| 13:46.21 | Dustin|Work | I wrote a library to give units custom index's that you can use to have records associated wiht units |
| 13:46.23 | Dustin|Work | If that helps :D |
| 13:46.35 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 13:46.39 | Kueken | like custom value? |
| 13:46.44 | Kubi | I had my girlfriend make and name a hero in my map last night |
| 13:46.52 | Kubi | She made a purple swarm host named Buster |
| 13:47.00 | Dustin|Work | It uses custom value to store a unique index for the units, and manages the relation |
| 13:47.18 | Kueken | like unit indexing systems we needed in WC3 |
| 13:47.42 | Kueken | but I doubt its needed in SC2 with virtually unlimited custom values ;) |
| 13:49.32 | Ahli | if a unit looses the aura buff, how do I get the info of the strength of the aura... hmmm |
| 13:49.55 | Dustin|Work | Unlimited Custom values? |
| 13:49.56 | Kueken | there should be something like triggering behavior |
| 13:49.58 | Dustin|Work | did they change that? |
| 13:50.26 | Ahli | yeah, so the behavior itself is required to carry its value |
| 13:50.30 | Dustin|Work | It's exactly like the unit indexing for WC3 since I made a system for that one too :P |
| 13:50.37 | Kueken | nope, but you can store and read ability charges |
| 13:50.51 | Kueken | which behave almost like custom value |
| 13:50.57 | Kueken | and are unlimited |
| 13:51.07 | Dustin|Work | Interesting |
| 13:51.28 | Kueken | Ahli: You should also be able to check the source of the behavior |
| 13:51.38 | Kueken | where you can check the strength again |
| 13:52.03 | Kueken | but why would you need the strength? |
| 13:52.13 | Kueken | do substract the correct amount? |
| 13:52.16 | Kueken | *to |
| 13:52.21 | Ahli | yes |
| 13:53.08 | Ahli | what if the player upgrades that skill when another unit has its buff strength removed? |
| 13:53.23 | Ahli | might end up with a wrong value then |
| 13:53.43 | Kubi | http://i.imgur.com/Zqb2vLA.jpg |
| 13:53.53 | Kueken | you would have to update currently affected units manually on strength changes |
| 13:54.31 | Kueken | but thats something you would need to do anyways |
| 13:56.07 | Kueken | also, to avoid permanent changes to your stats, you might want to consider triggering a buff system, where stat gain can be flagged as temporary with an associated source and can be removed without needing to know the current strength at removal |
| 13:57.57 | Ahli | Since I need to hardcode the radius for all instances of a player, I can just hardcode the strength, too. |
| 13:58.44 | Kueken | that would certainly be easier ;) |
| 13:59.07 | Ahli | man I should have written in irc when I put the rice into the pot |
| 13:59.55 | Kueken | xd |
| 14:00.02 | Kueken | guess what i am going to do now |
| 14:04.32 | Ahli | cooking lunch at 3pm? |
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| 14:37.24 | Kueken1 | Ahli: indeed |
| 14:37.35 | Ahli | ^^ |
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| 14:44.09 | Kueken1 | infact, I was about to put rice in the pod, just when you sent the message |
| 14:44.13 | sharf | can you not use variables in events? |
| 14:44.30 | Kueken1 | in general yes, in gui mostly not |
| 14:44.38 | sharf | damn |
| 14:45.03 | Kueken1 | tell us about the problem, maybe there is a way |
| 14:45.18 | sharf | lol |
| 14:45.25 | sharf | any unit leaves region |
| 14:45.33 | sharf | have an array of regions |
| 14:45.43 | JademusSreg | Ouch. |
| 14:46.13 | Kueken1 | couldn't you just combine multiple regions to one? |
| 14:46.22 | sharf | ? |
| 14:46.42 | Kueken1 | never used it, but I think it was possible |
| 14:46.46 | JademusSreg | It is. |
| 14:47.02 | JademusSreg | But is it desirable in this case? |
| 14:47.23 | Kueken1 | well, dunno, just wanted to mention ;) |
| 14:47.29 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 14:48.17 | Kueken | now that my mouth is burning up from the inside, I feel much better already |
| 14:48.24 | Kueken | I love spicy food :) |
| 14:55.33 | sharf | ok so, is there a better event than run every 0.25 seconds, to tell when a region is empty of units by a specific player? |
| 14:56.27 | Dustin|Work | It's that or run it against UnitEnters/Leaves Region |
| 14:56.50 | sharf | dying is leaving a region right? |
| 14:57.04 | JademusSreg | Sharf, what is the design? |
| 14:57.04 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:57.04 | Kueken | it won't trigger the event, no |
| 14:57.25 | sharf | player is in region, p15 has 0 units in region, spawn 5 units for p15 in region |
| 14:57.27 | sharf | rinse repeat |
| 14:58.03 | Kueken | and when the units leave the region or are killed, new ones spawn |
| 14:58.27 | sharf | yes |
| 14:58.30 | JademusSreg | That's not quite what I mean. Describe it in a non-technical way. What is the experience? |
| 14:58.45 | sharf | uhm.... |
| 14:59.02 | sharf | when you're standing in a certain area, enemies spawn (in a controlled manner) for you to train on? |
| 14:59.10 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 14:59.23 | JademusSreg | Sounds rather like a swarm host, haha. |
| 14:59.47 | JademusSreg | Which is to say doable in data, but I digress. |
| 14:59.55 | Kueken | :) |
| 15:00.09 | Kueken | certainly, with a dummy unit or something |
| 15:00.21 | Kueken | but triggers would certainly be easier to control |
| 15:00.40 | JademusSreg | Anyway, if you want to trigger it, you need only maintain a counter and increment or decrement it as per the enter and leave events. |
| 15:00.47 | Kueken | a periodic check would be the easiest approach imo |
| 15:01.01 | Kueken | or what Jade said, if you need it to be exact |
| 15:01.28 | JademusSreg | When the counter is >0 at the end of the Enter event, enable the spawning trigger. When the counter is 0 on the leave event, disable the trigger. |
| 15:01.32 | sharf | I just don't want the periodics to slow stuff odwn |
| 15:01.42 | Kueken | oh, don't worry |
| 15:01.44 | JademusSreg | It won't if you confine your search. |
| 15:02.20 | JademusSreg | And even if you don't, hell, you can run plenty of map-wide unit enumerations in a single tick without so much as single frame lost. |
| 15:02.51 | sharf | next question, how do I remove units in regions? |
| 15:03.17 | Kueken | pick units in region, remove picked? |
| 15:03.31 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 15:03.38 | JademusSreg | Or kill them. |
| 15:03.42 | sharf | that's what I thought but I couldn't find it hang on |
| 15:03.59 | Kueken | or, in a controlled environment like your spawning grounds, you could easily maintain a unit group per region keeping track of all units currently spawned |
| 15:04.10 | sharf | I only get pick each unit in unit group |
| 15:04.25 | sharf | yes I've done thta before |
| 15:04.33 | sharf | but if I don't have to, it's just that much more |
| 15:04.37 | Kueken | then click unit group and you will find units in region ;= |
| 15:04.38 | Dustin|Work | The Unit GRoup is Units In Region |
| 15:05.45 | JademusSreg | May wanna apply a filter. |
| 15:05.47 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:05.56 | JademusSreg | Depending on your needs. |
| 15:06.06 | sharf | got it |
| 15:07.49 | sharf | ok I have to be doing something wrong... |
| 15:07.55 | JademusSreg | Oi, Ahli, do you know if layout/style colors support alpha? |
| 15:08.12 | sharf | I know I've done this before.. |
| 15:09.44 | JademusSreg | Just seems odd if they use a 3 byte struct. |
| 15:10.46 | sharf | player 15 can have orders issued to it's units right? |
| 15:10.51 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 15:11.12 | JademusSreg | Two questions, though. |
| 15:11.58 | JademusSreg | How many player slots are used on the map? Is the player 15 slot enabled? |
| 15:12.14 | sharf | 6 for people, 1 for an ai |
| 15:12.24 | sharf | 1-7 are playable |
| 15:12.28 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 15:12.34 | Kueken | also if you suspect a problem with the order, I suggest to just give yourself control of player 15 |
| 15:12.48 | twodie | so whats up dudes? |
| 15:12.51 | sharf | ? |
| 15:12.53 | sharf | what do you mean? |
| 15:13.23 | JademusSreg | You'll get a lot more use out of the player slot if you make it a computer. Tactical AIs, in particular. |
| 15:13.33 | JademusSreg | Easier than ordering units individually, certainly. |
| 15:13.37 | Kueken | dunno how often I had this happen, that the ai didn't cast spells, only for me to discover they still had energy costs or an added requirement |
| 15:13.56 | sharf | really the only thing they will be given are "attack to region" kind of things |
| 15:14.03 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 15:14.21 | JademusSreg | So long as there are no casters or whatever, that should be perfectly sufficient. |
| 15:14.31 | sharf | alright |
| 15:14.37 | sharf | well... |
| 15:14.39 | sharf | ok how about this then |
| 15:14.49 | sharf | how do I disable a slot from showing in the lobby? |
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| 15:15.25 | JademusSreg | I was under the impression locked comps don't appear in the lobby. But I would assume that's in game variants. |
| 15:16.07 | Kueken | still, giving yourself control over enemy units is a very useful debug tool, I use it in all my testmaps |
| 15:16.17 | JademusSreg | Yesss. |
| 15:16.24 | Oatin | You mean, it is a player or a Computer, but it shall be invisible in the lobby? |
| 15:16.26 | sharf | yeah I have the AI locked |
| 15:16.31 | JademusSreg | Sometimes I get distracted while ostensibly debugging. |
| 15:16.32 | sharf | and it still shows |
| 15:16.35 | sharf | I want |
| 15:16.41 | sharf | the player to be an AI |
| 15:16.45 | sharf | and to NOT show in the lobby |
| 15:16.47 | JademusSreg | Making units pew pew, seeing how they behave, so fun. |
| 15:16.49 | Oatin | As far as I know you cannot hide that |
| 15:16.59 | sharf | yeah that's my experience |
| 15:17.06 | Oatin | only neutral and hostile players are invisible afaik |
| 15:17.07 | sharf | which is why I'm using player 15 |
| 15:17.11 | twodie | Zolden what news did you bring? |
| 15:17.12 | Oatin | :P |
| 15:17.44 | Oatin | I'm still shocked that there is no Option to rename Player Groups, or is there a way? |
| 15:17.53 | Oatin | In the lobby ofc |
| 15:18.01 | Zolden | twodie: that my cat just woke up and express hunger |
| 15:18.09 | Kueken | I am pretty sure, I joined a game with renamed player groups... |
| 15:18.12 | twodie | same here |
| 15:18.23 | Oatin | Interesting |
| 15:18.38 | Kueken | maybe in the text editor |
| 15:18.39 | Oatin | Ah, well, the text displayed for the Player Group Name must be somewhere |
| 15:18.39 | Dustin|Work | You did huh?? |
| 15:18.43 | Oatin | maybe the mapmaker tinkered with that |
| 15:18.45 | Oatin | yea |
| 15:18.49 | Dustin|Work | I've been looking for that forever lol |
| 15:19.04 | Kueken | text editor can change all sorts of strings |
| 15:19.43 | Kueken | I changed a string once, which affected all other maps I created after that |
| 15:19.50 | JademusSreg | Test this, sharf? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/47885-add-computer-players-after-game-start/#p4 |
| 15:19.57 | Kueken | I am pretty sure, that was not intended |
| 15:20.07 | Oatin | Eeek, takes ages to load |
| 15:20.18 | Kueken | yep |
| 15:20.38 | JademusSreg | All the strings. =D |
| 15:20.43 | Oatin | Still loading |
| 15:20.44 | Oatin | lol |
| 15:20.56 | Oatin | and i accidently only enabled the tab "footprints" |
| 15:21.01 | Oatin | so i will have to wait again ._. |
| 15:21.28 | JademusSreg | If you have HotS+Campaign+Story, WoL+Camapaign+Story, the wait will be pretty long, I imagine. |
| 15:21.40 | Oatin | i have swarm in there yeah |
| 15:21.44 | Kueken | be glad you opened a tab |
| 15:22.02 | Kueken | you can open it without a tab, which will make it load everything, afaik |
| 15:22.14 | JademusSreg | Better hope there are no error messages. |
| 15:22.16 | Oatin | I wonder where the Player Group Names are... |
| 15:22.16 | Oatin | hmm |
| 15:23.09 | JademusSreg | There's no more certain a way to crash the editor than to pop a bunch of error messages, comically enough. |
| 15:24.03 | Kueken | and dont forget to send the crash report to blizzard |
| 15:24.18 | Kueken | what were you doing when the crash occured? |
| 15:24.30 | Kueken | "intentionally trying to crash the editor" |
| 15:24.54 | Kueken | "disappointed that it only took a couple of seconds" |
| 15:25.03 | Kueken | never got an answer :/ |
| 15:25.12 | JademusSreg | Oh yeah, no doubt. I did that several times earlier, after implanting a layout file via mpq editor. |
| 15:26.37 | JademusSreg | It was either the inability to find assets for hundreds of not-valid paths or the numerous :: I put in the file. |
| 15:27.13 | JademusSreg | Either way, it could load the map, but saving or opening the UI editor would crash. =D |
| 15:28.17 | Kueken | When I was messing with texture swaps, changing the order of texture declarations for a model caused the editor to crash instantly |
| 15:28.37 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I remember reading about that somewhere. Haha |
| 15:28.45 | Kueken | now they "fixed" it so it only screws up the xml data and the declaration doesn't work properly |
| 15:29.15 | JademusSreg | Here's some topical reading: http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/blizzards-cco-talks-moving-to-tablets-and-consoles-and-how-they-stay-fresh |
| 15:38.40 | Oatin | Never thought that looking for a good name for a Zerg-Queen could be so difficult |
| 15:39.10 | JademusSreg | Akasha. |
| 15:39.26 | Oatin | Ah, thats not bad |
| 15:39.48 | Oatin | I can even imagine Kerrigan calling here lol |
| 15:39.57 | Oatin | *her |
| 15:40.03 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:40.08 | Oatin | But unfortunately |
| 15:40.12 | Oatin | I have two big Zerg-Queens |
| 15:40.33 | Oatin | I wonder if one could have names that have a connection |
| 15:40.33 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 15:40.40 | Oatin | to the other one |
| 15:41.21 | Oatin | Like Sun and Moon in another language, for example |
| 15:43.14 | JademusSreg | Ishvara is pretty close, in a sense. |
| 15:43.32 | Oatin | I think I have heard of that name before |
| 15:43.40 | Oatin | Was it used in the Campaign? |
| 15:44.11 | JademusSreg | Where Akasha is a freely flowing spiritual essence, Ishvara is spiritual control. |
| 15:44.21 | Oatin | I like that |
| 15:44.21 | Oatin | :P |
| 15:44.23 | Oatin | Alright |
| 15:44.37 | Oatin | Lets give those two Queens giving the Players a hard time some cool names |
| 15:45.07 | Oatin | Thanks btw |
| 15:46.14 | sharf | how do I make a buff heal? |
| 15:46.37 | Oatin | either in modifications changing vital regeneration |
| 15:46.43 | Oatin | or a periodic effect |
| 15:46.55 | Dustin|Work | Behavior with a regen buff |
| 15:46.58 | Oatin | using modify unit |
| 15:47.08 | Dustin|Work | Applied using a search effect |
| 15:47.12 | ckSynergy | Well this is highly interesting |
| 15:47.49 | ckSynergy | So apparently launching unit's as a missile is just a dummy |
| 15:47.51 | ckSynergy | or appears that way |
| 15:48.41 | Kueken | Akasha is a Dota hero |
| 15:49.10 | Kueken | ckSynergy: how do you come to this conclusion? |
| 15:49.12 | Dustin|Work | Isnt that the Frost Archer |
| 15:49.12 | Oatin | Yes, I remember her |
| 15:49.20 | Oatin | How are they called in wow... |
| 15:49.21 | Oatin | Succubus? |
| 15:49.30 | Kueken | indeed succubus |
| 15:50.04 | Oatin | The Frost Archer had a different Name |
| 15:50.14 | Kueken | traxe the drow ranger |
| 15:50.17 | Kueken | *traxex |
| 15:50.18 | Oatin | ah yeah |
| 15:50.38 | Kueken | and I can probably list all abilities with all mana costs, damage etc for every level |
| 15:50.40 | sharf | on search filters for a search effect, what is the layer checkbox? |
| 15:50.45 | Kueken | my brain is a curse -.- |
| 15:51.00 | JademusSreg | Player |
| 15:51.21 | sharf | yes player* |
| 15:51.29 | sharf | is it the owner of the effect? |
| 15:51.32 | Kueken | yes |
| 15:51.36 | sharf | great |
| 15:52.03 | Kueken | if you uncheck player but check allies, it won't hit any units you own, but units owned by allied players |
| 15:52.30 | sharf | that's what I wanted :) |
| 15:53.17 | ckSynergy | Kueken: I launch my unit as a missile. At the end of my effect I'm testing using a teleport effect to simulate impact. I teleport to target then back to original position |
| 15:53.45 | ckSynergy | erm |
| 15:53.50 | ckSynergy | strike that |
| 15:53.58 | Kueken | striked |
| 15:54.02 | ckSynergy | now, my persistent SHOULD be grabbing the unit being launched, teleport it to the target and then back to the missiles CURRENT position |
| 15:54.12 | ckSynergy | however, its teleporting the unit to its ORIGINAL position |
| 15:54.20 | ckSynergy | i.e. from where it was first launched |
| 15:54.48 | Kueken | persistent? |
| 15:54.52 | Kueken | with a delay? |
| 15:55.03 | Kueken | or executed on impact |
| 15:55.24 | ckSynergy | It has a delay |
| 15:55.35 | ckSynergy | but the missile never actually has any impact |
| 15:55.37 | ckSynergy | hense the teleport |
| 15:55.40 | ckSynergy | *hence |
| 15:55.49 | Kueken | okay |
| 15:55.51 | Kueken | why? |
| 15:56.04 | Kueken | just for testing purposes? |
| 15:56.17 | ckSynergy | No, Im actually building a tractor beam effect |
| 15:57.23 | ckSynergy | but thats beside the point |
| 15:57.39 | Kueken | so you launch, wait a couple of seconds, teleport, wait again, teleport back? |
| 15:59.41 | Kueken | also, how should it teleport back to the missile's current position, when it is the missile itself? |
| 16:00.01 | Kueken | probably fails and uses the source location as fallback or something |
| 16:00.03 | sharf | I feel like 4 hp per second is too slow for a healing fountain... |
| 16:00.18 | Kueken | that depends on max hp :D |
| 16:00.28 | Kueken | for 2 hp units, it should be enough |
| 16:00.35 | sharf | 100+(25*strength) |
| 16:01.06 | sharf | potential max of like...100+(25*33) |
| 16:01.24 | Dustin|Work | Do a percentage |
| 16:01.27 | Dustin|Work | Oh wait, data. nm |
| 16:01.32 | Kueken | ^ |
| 16:01.44 | Kueken | percentage healing is not a problem in data |
| 16:01.44 | Dustin|Work | Can you do percentages in data? |
| 16:01.48 | Dustin|Work | OH nice |
| 16:01.53 | ckSynergy | No wait between teleports, but yea basically |
| 16:02.10 | Kueken | you need periodically executed modify unit effects |
| 16:02.10 | ckSynergy | And ther is a persistent to control the teleport locations |
| 16:02.19 | Kueken | cannot just add id to the behavior |
| 16:02.24 | Kueken | but its possible |
| 16:02.58 | Kueken | ckSynergy: so it should teleport back to the location the teleport started? |
| 16:03.55 | ckSynergy | yea |
| 16:04.07 | ckSynergy | hold on I may have to change this up a bit from standard methods |
| 16:04.17 | ckSynergy | since missiles like to change how targeting works |
| 16:04.29 | Kubi | OH BABY |
| 16:04.31 | ckSynergy | still, It shouldnt even have a opportunity to grab the original location but *shrugs* |
| 16:05.03 | Kueken | some effects tend to reach higher in the effect chains for their target fields |
| 16:05.11 | Kueken | force effects especially like to do that |
| 16:05.37 | sharf | a % is TOO Fast lol |
| 16:05.56 | Kueken | 100 sec until full hp |
| 16:06.11 | Kueken | do you regenerate 1% per interval? ;) |
| 16:06.21 | Dustin|Work | Up the interval Sharf |
| 16:06.28 | Dustin|Work | or do like .5% |
| 16:06.30 | Dustin|Work | or .2 |
| 16:06.45 | Dustin|Work | That was it's still consistant, but slower |
| 16:06.51 | sharf | periods are .25 |
| 16:07.05 | Dustin|Work | 1% ever .25? |
| 16:07.07 | Dustin|Work | every* |
| 16:07.11 | sharf | yes |
| 16:07.23 | sharf | gtg bbl |
| 16:08.00 | Dustin|Work | He really just needs to deicde how long he wants and then reverse engineer it to get a good interval/hps |
| 16:08.10 | Dustin|Work | how long he wants it to take to heal* |
| 16:08.26 | Kueken | he will figure it out ;) |
| 16:08.30 | ckSynergy | GAWRRRRR |
| 16:08.51 | ckSynergy | ok well I got the teleport working for the basic locations, however Im still having impact issues. Damn missile. |
| 16:11.54 | ckSynergy | I suppose... |
| 16:12.15 | ckSynergy | I wonder if hiding the target, launching a dummy, the conjoining them would work |
| 16:12.39 | ckSynergy | Seems screwball, but I think that could work |
| 16:13.43 | Kueken | I used that pre-hots |
| 16:14.04 | Kueken | what issues do you have now? |
| 16:14.25 | Kueken | you can specify an effect to pull the location from, might help ;) |
| 16:14.52 | ckSynergy | Well, the actual issue is that occasionally (specifically when the pulling unit is going diagonally), the missile never impacts |
| 16:14.59 | ckSynergy | I mean, technically, the missile never impacts anyway |
| 16:15.12 | ckSynergy | but somehow it wigs would and the missile just keeps traveleing, ignoring all other effects |
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| 16:15.21 | ckSynergy | *wigs out |
| 16:15.43 | ckSynergy | Basically, when the tractor beam stops, so should the missile unit |
| 16:15.51 | ckSynergy | but the missile unit doesnt always stop |
| 16:15.53 | ckSynergy | its about 50/50 |
| 16:16.08 | ckSynergy | but especially pervalient when traveling at a diagonal |
| 16:18.04 | Kueken | did you change th emax travel time in the mover? |
| 16:18.14 | Kueken | maybe it just times out |
| 16:18.57 | ckSynergy | I've tried all sorts of things |
| 16:19.03 | Kueken | also, a tractor beam might be realized easier with apply force effects |
| 16:19.19 | ckSynergy | if the timeout is 1, the missile stutters, ruining the effect (literally. it barely pulls) |
| 16:19.27 | ckSynergy | Even with a persistent to constantly launch the missile |
| 16:19.36 | ckSynergy | Right now the timeout is 30 |
| 16:19.44 | Dustin|Work | Apply Force Effects are so shit now |
| 16:19.49 | Dustin|Work | Im so angry they changed them |
| 16:19.54 | ckSynergy | ? |
| 16:19.56 | ckSynergy | how did they change them |
| 16:19.57 | Kueken | what changed? |
| 16:20.02 | Dustin|Work | Before 1.5 they worked differently |
| 16:20.17 | Dustin|Work | I could adjust speed, the unit wouldnt play it's walk animation, directions worked |
| 16:20.29 | ckSynergy | Still does? |
| 16:20.30 | Dustin|Work | Now I cant adjust speed or make the unit not walk when forced |
| 16:20.49 | Kueken | last time I checked you could |
| 16:20.51 | ckSynergy | >.> |
| 16:20.59 | ckSynergy | I dont have a problem with either of those |
| 16:21.05 | ckSynergy | last I recalled |
| 16:21.16 | Dustin|Work | Maybe Im doing it wrong now |
| 16:21.31 | ckSynergy | sec |
| 16:21.51 | Dustin|Work | It's just a behavior that applies periodic force at low intervals |
| 16:22.03 | ckSynergy | for my force effect, I apply a buff that sets the units bonus, max and min speed to 9 |
| 16:22.40 | ckSynergy | for the freeze effect, I use... sec |
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| 16:23.11 | Dustin|Work | I tried to adjust max/min speed with the behavior as well, didn't seem to effect it |
| 16:23.15 | ckSynergy | Actor->model->ModelAnimStyleContinuous |
| 16:23.33 | Kueken | with or without spaces? ;) |
| 16:23.36 | ckSynergy | ActorCreation:_Selectable:AnimSetPausedAll |
| 16:23.42 | ckSynergy | without |
| 16:23.58 | Kueken | oh, you only need the message to the host? |
| 16:24.12 | Kueken | I suggest using a Simple actor then |
| 16:24.13 | ckSynergy | yes? |
| 16:24.17 | Dustin|Work | Hmm, I'll have to mess around with them again tonight |
| 16:24.20 | Kueken | it has no model |
| 16:24.35 | ckSynergy | Eh Im not tweaking mine. it works lol. |
| 16:24.48 | Kueken | just for future reference ;) |
| 16:25.01 | ckSynergy | noted :) |
| 16:25.08 | Kueken | also, I use ::Main instead of _Selectable |
| 16:25.25 | Kueken | less characters to type :) |
| 16:25.44 | ckSynergy | I think I tried that and had issues |
| 16:25.44 | Kueken | <- lazy person |
| 16:26.21 | Kueken | if you happen to figure out why, notify me |
| 16:26.37 | Kueken | I use ::Main all the time, if it has issues, I want to be aware |
| 16:27.50 | ckSynergy | *shrugs* May have just been my implementation at the time |
| 16:28.10 | ckSynergy | But if I recall, it didnt affect the units for a force freeze |
| 16:32.51 | twodie | asjndjaskdn |
| 16:33.11 | Kueken | just what I thought |
| 16:33.25 | Kueken | its swedish, right? |
| 16:35.37 | ckSynergy | anyone ever used missile travel validation? |
| 16:35.51 | ckSynergy | or know of an effect that uses it |
| 16:37.56 | Kueken | tried to mess with it, couldn't get it to make any difference whatsoever |
| 16:38.25 | ckSynergy | ditto |
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| 16:39.08 | Ashamed | long time no see scrubz |
| 16:39.23 | Zolden | shame on you |
| 16:40.00 | Ashamed | shame on you! |
| 16:40.11 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 16:40.14 | Ashamed | Hey who was working on the slender man project in here> |
| 16:40.29 | Ashamed | Its jademusreg |
| 16:40.41 | JademusSreg | Where?! |
| 16:40.42 | Ashamed | hey jade i am "this close" in bringing in revanue on a site i made 3 months ago |
| 16:40.50 | Ashamed | i am at about 10k traffic now |
| 16:40.59 | JademusSreg | Congrats. |
| 16:41.30 | sharf | how would i make an ability that absorbs damage and increases damage output? |
| 16:41.47 | sharf | damage response+buffs? |
| 16:42.00 | JademusSreg | Does the amount of damage matter? |
| 16:42.05 | Ashamed | and i finally bought sc2 >< |
| 16:42.10 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 16:42.14 | sharf | if possible, yes |
| 16:42.15 | sharf | if not, no |
| 16:43.18 | JademusSreg | Getting a damage count in data can't be solved for the general case (compatible with normal data without supporting systems), but it can be done. |
| 16:43.56 | sharf | I could do it via trigger-data hybrid though, couldn't I? |
| 16:44.02 | JademusSreg | Easily. |
| 16:44.07 | sharf | hmm |
| 16:44.12 | sharf | not sure if it would matter though |
| 16:46.34 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 16:46.40 | sharf | I guess it depends on the implementation |
| 16:46.45 | sharf | how I want the ability to work |
| 16:46.56 | sharf | if I want it to be attack count, or damage count |
| 16:47.35 | sharf | can damage response have a requirement? I'm sure it cna |
| 16:47.37 | sharf | can* |
| 16:48.26 | JademusSreg | Immortal's Hardened Shields for reference. |
| 16:48.36 | JademusSreg | The behavior has a requirement. |
| 16:48.44 | sharf | mmk |
| 16:57.45 | Zolden | so |
| 16:57.52 | Zolden | i still connected |
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| 17:00.05 | sharf | when you hear mtd what do you think? |
| 17:01.00 | Kueken | wc3 funmap? |
| 17:01.02 | Kueken | dunno |
| 17:01.17 | sharf | funmap?lol |
| 17:02.24 | Zolden | mtd is a random combination of consonant letters |
| 17:02.29 | Kueken | random character + td mentioned in a mapping channel... |
| 17:02.40 | Kueken | yes, i'd say chances are pretty high |
| 17:02.45 | sharf | lol |
| 17:02.49 | sharf | Mini-Town Defense |
| 17:03.04 | Kueken | see, I was close |
| 17:03.12 | sharf | lol |
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| 17:04.24 | Zolden | today my chrome updated itself, and now this chat doesn't follow last sentences |
| 17:04.24 | *** join/#sc2mapster twodie (4e3c1a28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.60.26.40) |
| 17:04.29 | twodie | FUCK THE COPYRIGHT |
| 17:04.38 | Zolden | twodie: why |
| 17:04.44 | Zolden | someone sues you? |
| 17:05.05 | Zolden | for watching copyrighted sex and the city? |
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| 17:05.35 | Zolden | tell them feelings can't be copyrighted |
| 17:06.08 | twodie | no, just made new video with AoK gameplay and stuff uploaded just now in youtube and already its muted cause the songs i used :/ |
| 17:07.10 | sharf | do don't use music you don't have the rights to |
| 17:07.11 | sharf | ? |
| 17:07.16 | sharf | so don't* |
| 17:07.24 | twodie | its was so greatly made that now again will have to wait more than a hour to render new video :/ |
| 17:08.29 | twodie | hey they all over youtube already :/ |
| 17:08.38 | sharf | so? |
| 17:08.46 | sharf | that doesn't mean you can do it |
| 17:08.54 | sharf | if they all jumped off a bridge...yadayada |
| 17:09.07 | Zolden | twodie: yea, youtube is a jew |
| 17:09.26 | twodie | where is a hitler when he is so much needed! |
| 17:09.42 | Eagles | yooooooooooooooo |
| 17:09.53 | sharf | wow |
| 17:11.02 | Kueken | I dissociate myself from the content in this channel o_0 |
| 17:11.14 | sharf | lol? |
| 17:11.21 | sharf | the hitler thing? |
| 17:11.27 | Kueken | :P |
| 17:11.38 | Eagles | pretty extreme yo |
| 17:12.14 | Kueken | here in germany, its still pretty... unusual to make jokes about Hitler |
| 17:12.39 | sharf | too soon? lol |
| 17:12.46 | sharf | yeah I'd imagine |
| 17:12.51 | sharf | my cousin lives there |
| 17:12.52 | Kueken | people get offended easily about that subject |
| 17:14.03 | Zolden | ._O |
| 17:14.12 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 17:14.23 | Kueken | :-* |
| 17:14.45 | Zolden | Kueken: have you ever watched Family Guy? |
| 17:15.01 | Kueken | once, for about 2 minutes |
| 17:15.14 | Kueken | which was kind of the reason to never watch it again ;) |
| 17:15.29 | Zolden | oh, then I'm curious about something |
| 17:15.36 | sharf | family guy is fairly aweful |
| 17:16.45 | Eagles | wat! that's so weird. modern people not watching family guy :P |
| 17:17.01 | Zolden | Kueken: I'm curious about will you like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIyktoLfm6s |
| 17:17.32 | Kueken | Eagles: Who says we are "modern people"? |
| 17:17.37 | Zolden | Kueken: or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTO6fAJf1GM |
| 17:18.24 | Eagles | cause we sit infront of our modern computers, chatting, using modern technology :p |
| 17:18.41 | Zolden | Kueken: and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCn7Xk_6sb8 |
| 17:18.55 | Kueken | help! I am getting spammed! |
| 17:18.55 | Eagles | being born in 85's+ helps too |
| 17:19.01 | sharf | we are often referred to as the "modern" era |
| 17:19.04 | Kueken | how to turn it of? |
| 17:19.30 | Eagles | did you try restarting your computer? |
| 17:19.32 | Eagles | :D |
| 17:19.35 | Kueken | Zolden: half of the videos are blocked in germany |
| 17:19.37 | Kueken | :D |
| 17:19.51 | Kueken | well, 2/3 |
| 17:20.14 | sharf | vs. the renaissance, or dark age etc. |
| 17:20.32 | Zolden | thank you for specifying how many is 1/2 of 3 |
| 17:20.51 | Kueken | but the book deal caused a little smirk, tbh |
| 17:21.07 | Eagles | isnt 1/2 of 3 = 3/6? |
| 17:21.09 | Zolden | sad they blocked, i thought only china and russia censoring internet |
| 17:21.29 | Kueken | germany has GEMA, almost as bad |
| 17:21.38 | Zolden | Eagles: aren't you einstein? |
| 17:21.51 | Kueken | but for me, it does only say the video is not available |
| 17:21.55 | Kueken | no reason |
| 17:22.28 | Zolden | ok, then checking if you like family guy hitler jokes can't be performed |
| 17:22.37 | Eagles | yes zolden that's me, guten tag, ich wohne im das grosse land, US und A |
| 17:23.03 | Kueken | uh, another paid mapping offer in the forums |
| 17:23.10 | Zolden | Eagles: aren't you gone mad trying to understand quantum theory? |
| 17:23.38 | Eagles | no it just came naturally to me zolden |
| 17:24.26 | Kueken | okay, then you can explain something to me |
| 17:24.33 | Kueken | is the cat dead or alive? |
| 17:25.05 | Dustin|Work | IT IS NEITHER UNTILL YOU OPEN THE BOX |
| 17:25.33 | Kueken | I wonder how her meowing sounds like then... |
| 17:25.47 | Zolden | I think observation event doesn't require a person |
| 17:26.01 | Zolden | Kueken: I think it's mono |
| 17:26.06 | Kueken | :D |
| 17:26.15 | Kueken | you hear it only on one ear |
| 17:26.18 | Zolden | yea |
| 17:26.41 | Kueken | or does hearing count as observing already? |
| 17:26.58 | Zolden | sure |
| 17:26.59 | Kueken | as in if a tree falls in the forest and noone was there, did it make a sound? |
| 17:27.29 | Kueken | it made a sound and no sound, until someone observed it |
| 17:27.42 | Kueken | quantum theory is older than we thought... |
| 17:27.47 | Zolden | I think any macro world change counts, even if it's just one molecule changed its position |
| 17:28.00 | sharf | you can tel if the cat is dead or alive if you shake the box lol |
| 17:28.17 | Kueken | need soundproof box |
| 17:28.25 | Kueken | with motion dampening |
| 17:28.46 | sharf | lol |
| 17:28.54 | sharf | then it WILL be dead lol |
| 17:28.55 | sharf | no air |
| 17:29.17 | Kueken | soundproof with airholes |
| 17:29.22 | Kueken | hard to achieve |
| 17:29.25 | sharf | how's that work? |
| 17:29.26 | sharf | lol |
| 17:29.26 | Kueken | need mute cat |
| 17:29.34 | sharf | air pump |
| 17:29.35 | sharf | lol |
| 17:30.00 | Kueken | or box big enough to survive a few days |
| 17:30.14 | sharf | lol |
| 17:30.21 | sharf | make it out of concrete with an air pump |
| 17:41.09 | JademusSreg | Sound proof to what precision? |
| 17:43.58 | ckSynergy | SCORE! |
| 17:44.59 | ckSynergy | Ok, so that missile tractor beam |
| 17:45.25 | ckSynergy | By setting up a persistent at the end of the effect, and teleporting the CASTER to the position of the missile and back again, it effectivly kills the missile effect |
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| 17:52.53 | twodie | youtube auto removed the song that i was using in the video and left some game sound to escape http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnPLKZw1AwI |
| 17:54.15 | ckSynergy | Anyone know what causes a unit to turn when idle? |
| 17:55.03 | ckSynergy | nevermind |
| 17:57.10 | Dustin|Work | Fidget |
| 17:57.33 | ckSynergy | yea I got it thanks |
| 18:02.23 | twodie | back to rendering :/ |
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| 18:21.43 | Almaity | Ello Zolden, just saw your PM now |
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| 18:25.52 | Kueken | Almaity: You naughty bou |
| 18:26.03 | Kueken | just pming with someone else |
| 18:26.09 | Kueken | how could you? |
| 18:26.09 | Almaity | :p |
| 18:26.16 | Almaity | You don't give me the attention I deserve! |
| 18:26.33 | Kueken | :-* |
| 18:26.40 | Zolden | Almaity: hey |
| 18:28.56 | d_u_c_k | uhm how do i load the stack count of a specific inventory item index? |
| 18:29.06 | d_u_c_k | (trigger) |
| 18:30.04 | d_u_c_k | event is unit uses ability |
| 18:33.57 | Ownage | someone help me w/ weapon please |
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| 18:34.15 | Ownage | I want to add a weapon to a building |
| 18:34.19 | Ownage | how do I go about that |
| 18:34.38 | Almaity | whats your problem? |
| 18:35.36 | Ownage | how do I add that |
| 18:35.42 | Ownage | is it part of the actor? |
| 18:36.02 | d_u_c_k | do you have an attack ability? |
| 18:36.19 | Ownage | I just want to use void ray attack |
| 18:36.26 | d_u_c_k | if in doubt just look at photon cannon |
| 18:37.10 | Almaity | weapons are added in the units tab |
| 18:37.31 | Almaity | but structures can't turn by default, so you'll need to set the weapons "Arc" to 360 to be able to hit anything |
| 18:37.39 | d_u_c_k | there is a nice beam tutorial somewhere on sc2mapster i think the example is adding the purifiere beam as weapon so youd just have to change the visual |
| 18:38.12 | Ownage | I see the weapon field on cannon |
| 18:38.16 | Ownage | I don't see it on nexus |
| 18:39.07 | sharf | How's this sound for a map name? MTD: Legends, or MTD: Legacy? |
| 18:39.08 | d_u_c_k | do you have advanced values activated? |
| 18:39.34 | Ownage | oh there it is |
| 18:40.27 | d_u_c_k | so back to my problem i m using event: unit uses ability now i want that ability to do different stuff based on the item in slot 1 and execute it x times with x beeing the stack count of the item |
| 18:41.12 | d_u_c_k | currently i m using unit type of8item carried by(triggering unit) in "1" == unit type |
| 18:41.33 | d_u_c_k | but that doesnt give me the stack count and from what i can see there is no trigger doing that |
| 18:41.53 | Ownage | well I added a weapon, doesn't seem to be any difference at all |
| 18:42.28 | d_u_c_k | so is there ANY way to get the stack count of item at inventory position in item index slot 1 |
| 18:43.06 | Ownage | there's no weapon icon, and it's not firing |
| 18:44.00 | d_u_c_k | have you tried just copying the photon cannon and then changing weapon/model as you like? |
| 18:44.47 | Ownage | I'm a bit curious how it works |
| 18:45.07 | Ownage | if you can't find a way to count items, you can track them |
| 18:45.29 | Kueken | Almaity: www.sc2mapster.com/forums/player-zone/map-suggestions-requests/50498-brainstorming-protoss-campaign/ |
| 18:45.44 | Kueken | care to add some feedback? ;) |
| 18:46.44 | Ownage | i.e. use custom value on unit to mark how much of what he has |
| 18:47.22 | d_u_c_k | kueken the shuttle isnt obsolete just make it able to carry alot of units like the hercules in wol :) |
| 18:47.40 | Kueken | good idea |
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| 18:49.35 | Almaity | gonna check now, kueken. Saw it yesterday but it was way too long and I didnt have time to read everything >.> |
| 18:49.53 | Kueken | np, take your time |
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| 18:51.18 | sharf | kueken |
| 18:51.44 | Kueken | sharf |
| 18:51.46 | twodie | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK |
| 18:51.57 | twodie | AGAIN NEED TO RE RENDER |
| 18:52.00 | sharf | I would love to see 2 things in a protoss campaign |
| 18:52.01 | twodie | FUCK THIS SHIT |
| 18:52.11 | d_u_c_k | Ownage: what do you mean by tracking? i got 15 units with item stacks of up to 10 with 6 inventory slots if that is important |
| 18:52.19 | sharf | 1 a Dark archon (mind control may not be necessary) |
| 18:52.25 | sharf | and the "twilight" archon |
| 18:52.34 | d_u_c_k | make twilight archons |
| 18:52.39 | d_u_c_k | XD |
| 18:52.41 | Ownage | when they acquire an item add 1 to custom value |
| 18:52.50 | sharf | so you have high temp archons, dark temp archons, and hybrids |
| 18:52.50 | Ownage | when they use/sell/lose one subtract 1 from it |
| 18:53.04 | sharf | like blizzard originally implied >.> |
| 18:53.14 | Kueken | oh, yes, gonna add them to the list |
| 18:53.22 | d_u_c_k | but that would be for the whole inventory and not work properly if the item is moved ? |
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| 18:53.37 | sharf | it would be a good research/upgrade maybe |
| 18:54.12 | d_u_c_k | give the oracly the replicant ability |
| 18:54.39 | Ownage | it would be for whatever you want |
| 18:54.39 | d_u_c_k | and give tempests air splash for a muta mission :) |
| 18:54.41 | sharf | could also take a move out of the eldar playbook and allow prebuilt buildings to be teleported between pylon fields |
| 18:54.48 | Ownage | they have a shitload of custom value slots |
| 18:56.25 | sharf | I just love day old chinese food....all the rice comes out of the box square...so appetizing |
| 18:56.49 | Almaity | Kueken, mind if I just put my ideas/comments here instead of post in the thread? |
| 18:57.15 | Kueken | I would like it more to be in the thread |
| 18:57.21 | Almaity | k |
| 18:57.29 | Kueken | so I don't forget stuff |
| 18:57.56 | d_u_c_k | oh and kueken make it so we dont have to pull jokes like "and the missiles didnt fall harmlessly to the ground" :) |
| 18:58.12 | Kueken | ? |
| 18:58.28 | d_u_c_k | if you know what i m talking about :) |
| 18:58.29 | Kueken | I am not |
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| 18:58.34 | Kueken | probably story related, I am not good with storys :D |
| 18:59.11 | d_u_c_k | naa :) has to do with the recrations of the slow time spell |
| 18:59.50 | sharf | so kueken you doing this by yourself? or with a group? |
| 18:59.56 | d_u_c_k | and use the awesome atck animation it had in beta |
| 19:00.20 | Kueken | I am not really "doing it" at all, for now I am just playing around |
| 19:00.34 | sharf | lol :P |
| 19:00.52 | sharf | well I'd be more than happy to help, I'm a big story guy, so I like making campaigns |
| 19:01.18 | Kueken | maybe at some point, but I would definitely need people for terrain and story, I suck at those :) |
| 19:01.43 | Kueken | for now, I wouldn't actually consider it a project, though |
| 19:01.46 | sharf | idk why people have such issues with terrain >.> |
| 19:01.58 | sharf | I used to do everyone's terrain work in sc1 |
| 19:02.05 | sharf | lol I was the shit at all that extended terrain stuff |
| 19:02.08 | Kueken | idk why people have issues with data or triggers ;) |
| 19:02.14 | sharf | shut up! |
| 19:02.15 | sharf | lol |
| 19:02.22 | Ownage | what all do I need to do to change the range of void ray weapon |
| 19:02.22 | sharf | I'm a designer more than a programmer |
| 19:02.23 | Kueken | okay, that was a lie |
| 19:02.27 | sharf | so I guess it comes naturally |
| 19:02.32 | Ownage | I changed the range value to 20 but it seems to be the same |
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| 19:02.47 | Kueken | but I think I can handle data a lot better than I can terrain |
| 19:02.49 | sharf | you do know why people have problems with data and triggers? lol |
| 19:02.51 | d_u_c_k | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFH9gG0NQBo see how time bomb worked |
| 19:03.11 | d_u_c_k | at about 0:45 |
| 19:03.17 | sharf | they killed the mothership |
| 19:03.19 | sharf | lol |
| 19:03.20 | sharf | each version |
| 19:03.22 | Kueken | d_u_c_k: yes, got it, remember that |
| 19:03.22 | sharf | they kill it more |
| 19:03.41 | Kueken | and we don't even have a way to replicate the missile falling down effect :D |
| 19:04.09 | d_u_c_k | Kueken: there was a meme around the sc2 forums for quite some time with recreations of the spell where "the missiles did not fall harmlessly to the ground" and oneshotting the caster :) |
| 19:05.05 | sharf | I think they should have kept the mothership to be that powerful |
| 19:05.11 | sharf | and also kept thors ridiculous |
| 19:05.32 | d_u_c_k | maybe make a trigger searching the area at the end and making the missiles target a new target right below them |
| 19:05.40 | d_u_c_k | they d fall down and explode there |
| 19:05.49 | d_u_c_k | not quite what it should do but oh well :) |
| 19:06.33 | sharf | can you not make the missiles fall with hots physics? |
| 19:07.22 | Kueken | if missiles had a death animation with ragdoll support, yes |
| 19:07.52 | Kueken | and d_u_c_k that doesn't work, because once a missile is launched, there is no way to change its destination |
| 19:08.09 | d_u_c_k | naa i meant kill it and spawn a new one at the position |
| 19:08.51 | Kueken | that would require a new launch effect for every single missile attack affected by this |
| 19:08.55 | sharf | could you force the missile to move down and explode? with like apply force or something? |
| 19:08.55 | d_u_c_k | and maybe make those new ones create a unit (ccritter moving behavior) on the ground to make them move a little |
| 19:09.12 | Kueken | just starting the same effect via trigger wouldn't work due to actor issues |
| 19:09.56 | Kueken | the only thing we need would be a falling down model for the missiles |
| 19:10.12 | d_u_c_k | cant you just use the one the missile uses? |
| 19:10.15 | Kueken | then we can define a custom death spawning these models on time bomb end |
| 19:10.44 | Kueken | however they most likely only created one for missile turrets |
| 19:11.10 | Kueken | and then scrapped the idea and removed that model instead of adding them for other missiles |
| 19:11.11 | d_u_c_k | well thats why i d use the missiles model :) |
| 19:12.14 | Ownage | maybe if someone gives me a hint or clue it would help |
| 19:12.33 | sharf | for what? buildings attacking? |
| 19:13.00 | Ownage | I have void ray unit which I've changed actor model to command center |
| 19:13.09 | Ownage | I want to extend the range of the weapon |
| 19:13.12 | sharf | O.o |
| 19:13.17 | sharf | oh |
| 19:13.17 | Ownage | I have put 40 in the range but it doesn't seem to do anything |
| 19:13.18 | sharf | uhm |
| 19:13.42 | sharf | the range is on the weapon right? |
| 19:13.45 | Ownage | yeah |
| 19:13.52 | sharf | is the building stationary |
| 19:14.00 | sharf | or is it just a different model? |
| 19:14.07 | Ownage | it's a void ray with a command center and 0 movement speed |
| 19:14.14 | Ownage | command center model* |
| 19:14.30 | sharf | hmm |
| 19:14.37 | Ownage | but if/when I use it it will be just sitting there as a building yes |
| 19:14.38 | sharf | I would expect the range to be all youd need |
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| 19:15.09 | sharf | are you targeting? |
| 19:15.09 | sharf | or |
| 19:15.13 | sharf | just attack moving? |
| 19:15.13 | Ownage | its up to 100 now and it can only extend about 1/2 the screen |
| 19:15.14 | sharf | or |
| 19:15.15 | sharf | w/e |
| 19:15.26 | Ownage | its sitting there and i have probes spawning near it |
| 19:15.41 | sharf | I'm just seeing the minimum scan range |
| 19:15.46 | sharf | and wondering if that's your issue |
| 19:16.09 | Ownage | trying now |
| 19:17.34 | Ownage | doesn't seem to do anything |
| 19:17.44 | Ownage | min scan range was 5, I tried 10 and now 80 |
| 19:17.54 | Ownage | range is 100 |
| 19:18.04 | Ownage | I mean this thing should be hitting units off the screen |
| 19:18.28 | sharf | I wonder |
| 19:18.34 | sharf | if there is something else limiting the range |
| 19:18.37 | Kueken | tried to look at it, but Void Ray weapon is such a mess... |
| 19:18.39 | Ownage | I have a probe just like 2.5 command centers away and it can't hit it |
| 19:18.44 | sharf | because of the void ray model? |
| 19:18.50 | Kueken | btw, which dependency? |
| 19:18.53 | sharf | like |
| 19:18.55 | sharf | the laser |
| 19:19.06 | Kueken | melee voidray is completely different to campaign voidray |
| 19:19.20 | Kueken | the beam can be extended at will |
| 19:19.33 | Kueken | and it shouldn't affect the actual range of the weapon |
| 19:19.50 | sharf | I was thinkin |
| 19:19.57 | sharf | some value somewhere blizzard hid |
| 19:20.00 | sharf | to restrict it |
| 19:20.23 | Ownage | this is melee void I duplicated |
| 19:20.51 | Ownage | maybe I can use another beam then I'm not super picky |
| 19:21.02 | Ownage | I'll try this test with oracle |
| 19:21.48 | Ownage | mothership core rather |
| 19:24.58 | Eagles | Kueken, would it be possible to see how you have setup your triggers/code for your Texture Swap Textmap? When I open the map, there's no triggers or custom script. |
| 19:25.28 | Kueken | check Import Manager, check Show reserved, click MapScript.galaxy |
| 19:25.49 | Kueken | its converted galaxy++ script though, not in a readable format |
| 19:25.54 | Ownage | seem to be having a similar problem |
| 19:26.10 | Ownage | range is set to 40 on mothership core but it doesn't seem to reach very far |
| 19:26.53 | Ownage | it's set to 100 now and can't even hit a probe on the same screen |
| 19:27.34 | d_u_c_k | look at the drakken lase its got a high range by default and its a beam |
| 19:28.22 | Ownage | drakken laser drill or drakken pulse cannon |
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| 19:28.51 | Kueken | if you cannot hit the probe, its not an issue with the beam |
| 19:28.56 | d_u_c_k | drill |
| 19:29.06 | Kueken | also mothership core uses a missile as far as I am aware |
| 19:29.14 | d_u_c_k | has 100 range or smth like that |
| 19:29.19 | Ownage | I don't know what that means |
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| 19:29.35 | Ownage | there's a probe 3/4 a screen away and it doesn't attack |
| 19:29.36 | Kueken | granted, some beams have issues with high range, those are still purely visual, the weapon would still hit |
| 19:30.10 | Almaity | Is hte probe behind your unit? |
| 19:30.16 | d_u_c_k | uhm kueken? i got a condition: item carried by triggering unit in "1" == any unit but it is false if there is a unit in that slot |
| 19:30.18 | Almaity | Maybe you didnt set the arc |
| 19:30.23 | Almaity | and it just cant hit behind itself |
| 19:30.37 | d_u_c_k | so the then clause doesnt apply |
| 19:30.51 | Ownage | giving you a visual |
| 19:31.16 | Taintedwisp | who else here would shit themselves if blizz somehow got the rights to make a pokemon TBS MMO ? |
| 19:31.17 | Ownage | http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/1047/captureivzb.png |
| 19:31.30 | Ownage | can hit the probe on the left but not the one on the right |
| 19:31.38 | Taintedwisp | lol titan could be pokemon online :))) |
| 19:31.46 | d_u_c_k | so is any item equal to no item in this case? |
| 19:32.35 | Kueken | d_u_c_k: no idea |
| 19:32.59 | Kueken | Ownage: Almaity is probably correct and you didn't set the arc to 360° |
| 19:33.07 | d_u_c_k | well f*** that condition thank (insernt non existent beeing) |
| 19:33.26 | Ownage | I don't understand why I need to change the arc to extend the range |
| 19:33.32 | Kueken | I just tried 50 range on voidray and mc amd both appear to be working fine |
| 19:33.49 | Ownage | what _else_ did you change |
| 19:33.51 | Kueken | Ownage: its not to extend the range, its to attack at all |
| 19:33.58 | Ownage | because going in and typing 50 in range doesn't work |
| 19:33.58 | Eagles | Kueken Cool thanks! Found it |
| 19:34.02 | Kueken | put the probe directly in front of the unit |
| 19:34.16 | Kueken | see if it attacks in all directions |
| 19:34.44 | Ownage | I feel like no one is listening to me or something |
| 19:34.49 | Almaity | Ownage, weapon arc defines angle at which you can shoot |
| 19:34.57 | Almaity | If your unit cannot turn, it can only shoot straight ahead |
| 19:35.09 | Almaity | So if you attack a unit that isnt directly in front of it, it just wont attack it |
| 19:35.11 | Ownage | then why can it hit one of the probes and not the one behind it |
| 19:35.17 | Ownage | also, it turns just fine |
| 19:35.46 | Kueken | so its not the diablo thingy shooting? |
| 19:35.55 | Kueken | that information would be helpful ;) |
| 19:36.06 | Ownage | sigh |
| 19:36.40 | Almaity | Check whether there are any range validators in the void rays effect chain, or whatever other weapon you're using |
| 19:36.52 | Kueken | also, judging from the angle the probes are set up, it could indeed still be an angle issue |
| 19:36.53 | Ownage | step 1: duplicate void ray, include model and weapon |
| 19:36.56 | Almaity | and, for debug purposes, just set the damn arc to 360 temporarily so that we can all be absolutely certain thats not it |
| 19:37.06 | Ownage | step 2: change actor to nexus |
| 19:37.11 | Ownage | step 3: change range to 50 |
| 19:37.13 | Ownage | doesn't work |
| 19:37.23 | Ownage | but it still turns and fires and acquires and moves |
| 19:37.40 | Ownage | doesn't shoot things "50" away |
| 19:37.52 | Ownage | I will do it again to make sure |
| 19:38.00 | Kueken | well, changing original void ray weapon to 50 works |
| 19:38.12 | Kueken | so you probably messed up duplicating |
| 19:38.17 | sharf | hmm |
| 19:38.43 | Ownage | just told you exactly what I duplicated |
| 19:38.46 | Ownage | trying again |
| 19:39.05 | Kueken | duplicate is not always bugfree |
| 19:39.18 | Kueken | especially for a complicated weapon like voidray |
| 19:40.20 | sharf | I love Notepad++, but I have a tendency to let WAY to many files build up in its tabs lol |
| 19:40.26 | Ownage | doesn't work, confirmed |
| 19:40.39 | Ownage | closer probe gets hunted down and killed |
| 19:40.48 | Ownage | one further but on the same screen gets ignored |
| 19:41.06 | Ahli | tonight Americas has maintenance, correct? |
| 19:41.27 | d_u_c_k | do you ISSUE the atack order or do you let the ai do it? |
| 19:41.56 | Ownage | just making a probe walk near it |
| 19:42.56 | d_u_c_k | the range something CAN be shot at is not equal to the one it will be, at least from my personal experience |
| 19:43.17 | Ownage | just changed range on void ray |
| 19:43.19 | sharf | like I said before, I think that is the scane range |
| 19:43.21 | Ownage | confirmed it also doesn't work |
| 19:43.34 | Ownage | so I find it hard to believe you have done it yourself by just changing the range |
| 19:43.35 | sharf | ownage, what dependencies? hots or wol? |
| 19:43.40 | Ownage | screen shot proof coming |
| 19:43.53 | Taintedwisp | lol more horrid moderation :))) |
| 19:43.54 | Taintedwisp | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/981898840 |
| 19:44.08 | Taintedwisp | What problem are you having? I am locking this thread so make another to answer :)))) |
| 19:44.32 | Ownage | http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2046/screenshot2013032613422.jpg |
| 19:44.36 | Ownage | not attacking |
| 19:44.57 | Ownage | http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/150/screenshot2013032613424.jpg |
| 19:44.59 | Ownage | attacking |
| 19:45.01 | Taintedwisp | is that nexus Sqaudron strike? |
| 19:45.01 | Ownage | range is 50 |
| 19:45.03 | sharf | wow |
| 19:45.04 | sharf | wtf lol |
| 19:45.23 | Taintedwisp | your remaking a new map? |
| 19:45.25 | Taintedwisp | wtf |
| 19:45.25 | sharf | ownage |
| 19:45.26 | sharf | what |
| 19:45.28 | Taintedwisp | :))) |
| 19:45.29 | sharf | dependencies? |
| 19:45.35 | Ownage | campaign swarm |
| 19:45.35 | sharf | wol or hots? |
| 19:45.37 | sharf | ok |
| 19:45.47 | d_u_c_k | try adding a voidray for yourself and then shoot enemy probes |
| 19:45.48 | sharf | gonna try it on a map |
| 19:45.50 | Ownage | no I'm making a micro tug |
| 19:46.06 | Ownage | it's early stage so it's set up with markers and such |
| 19:46.29 | Taintedwisp | ahh |
| 19:46.43 | Ownage | I miss the old days of sc1 where you kill a bajillion units |
| 19:46.50 | Ownage | blood all over the place and stuff |
| 19:46.56 | Taintedwisp | the road, and kinda the terrain make it look like NSS |
| 19:47.02 | Taintedwisp | :P ownage there were no more units in SC1 |
| 19:47.11 | d_u_c_k | any help on my problem? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/18476-making-a-custom-ability-and-dont-know-how/?page=5#p84 |
| 19:47.13 | Taintedwisp | The resolution was crappier so they were MUCH bigger |
| 19:47.13 | Ownage | yeah I borrowed from his design but it will be different |
| 19:47.41 | Ownage | so who was saying how they went in and got it to work in 2 seconds then didn't answer how |
| 19:47.48 | Taintedwisp | resolution and bad pathing made it look better in Sc1 |
| 19:48.11 | Ownage | d_u_c_k, I suggest you track it with triggers if there isn't a stack count |
| 19:48.22 | Ownage | in fact I already suggested this but you ignored me :) |
| 19:48.33 | d_u_c_k | ownage make one of the units for yourself (player 1) and try making it atack manually |
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| 19:49.01 | d_u_c_k | no i didnt i just want to see if there is a less messy solution |
| 19:49.04 | sharf | ownage |
| 19:49.06 | Taintedwisp | BAH i gotta get up and work on my hero selection |
| 19:49.07 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 19:49.10 | d_u_c_k | i d have to make 150 arrays |
| 19:49.22 | Ownage | why d_u_c_k |
| 19:49.25 | sharf | I made a brand new map, swam campaign |
| 19:49.32 | d_u_c_k | so i d really like a solution that does this at cast |
| 19:49.45 | sharf | edited void ray (swarm.SC2Campaign as the source) |
| 19:49.50 | Taintedwisp | THis is pretty much where I Stopped |
| 19:49.51 | sharf | changed JUST it's range to 50 |
| 19:49.51 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/vdYGCph.jpg |
| 19:49.53 | sharf | and it does work |
| 19:50.13 | sharf | lol |
| 19:50.23 | Ownage | well what the fuck |
| 19:50.33 | sharf | the "Question Mark Button/Tooltip/QuestionMark" part made me laugh |
| 19:50.35 | sharf | ownage |
| 19:50.42 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:50.44 | sharf | I would try reseting the unit to the default settings |
| 19:50.47 | Taintedwisp | thats defualt |
| 19:50.48 | sharf | and try from scratch |
| 19:50.51 | sharf | I know |
| 19:50.52 | sharf | but |
| 19:50.54 | Taintedwisp | i gotta modify that |
| 19:50.56 | sharf | it's funny to me for some reason |
| 19:50.58 | Taintedwisp | TO say, Picks a random hero |
| 19:51.17 | sharf | my heroes are randomly chosen if the timer runs out |
| 19:51.23 | sharf | I might add a random button |
| 19:51.32 | Taintedwisp | yeah I could do that |
| 19:51.35 | Taintedwisp | wouldnt hurt |
| 19:51.37 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 19:51.40 | Ownage | d_u_c_k, why would you need 150 arrays |
| 19:51.40 | sharf | well like |
| 19:51.49 | sharf | I didn't want to wait on people who were afk |
| 19:51.58 | sharf | but I didn't want EVERYONE to get the default hero |
| 19:52.03 | sharf | so I made it random lol |
| 19:52.18 | d_u_c_k | Ownage: well 75 items and i want item slots 1-3 and 4-6 counted individually and with 14 players its better to do it with arrays |
| 19:52.34 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:52.41 | Ownage | you have 75 items that you're not already storing? |
| 19:52.49 | Taintedwisp | Well people actually like the heroes I made so all of them get used quite a bit |
| 19:52.50 | Ownage | is that like 75 if statements ? |
| 19:52.51 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 19:53.05 | Taintedwisp | The first 9 are all Race based |
| 19:53.11 | d_u_c_k | well each item type will cause a seperate effect |
| 19:53.15 | sharf | I figured out how I'm handeling my hots convert thing |
| 19:53.17 | Taintedwisp | The last 9 (and maybe more), will be whatever I think is cool |
| 19:53.22 | sharf | version 1 of my map, with the original 6 heroes |
| 19:53.24 | sharf | will be wol |
| 19:53.25 | Taintedwisp | I wanna get that grunt from Triceron :))) |
| 19:53.32 | sharf | then when I make v2 and add more heroes it will be hots |
| 19:53.45 | Taintedwisp | But how good are your heroes :? |
| 19:53.57 | sharf | lol so far the 3 I have are nice :P |
| 19:53.57 | Taintedwisp | If they all suck people will just pick the first one. |
| 19:54.06 | sharf | well |
| 19:54.09 | sharf | personaly |
| 19:54.11 | Ownage | d_u_c_k, then you should DEFINITELY be using arrays |
| 19:54.18 | sharf | I will be playing one I haven't made yet >.> |
| 19:54.25 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:54.36 | sharf | my heroes are very unique and have different play styles |
| 19:54.38 | sharf | so it does matter |
| 19:54.43 | sharf | it will also be helpful to coordinate |
| 19:54.56 | d_u_c_k | Ownage thats what i meant :) |
| 19:55.20 | sharf | so tainted |
| 19:55.22 | d_u_c_k | but i d really prefer a workaround, without me having to set 150 global arrays |
| 19:55.26 | sharf | how did you change the border? |
| 19:55.30 | sharf | is that a default texture? |
| 19:55.30 | Almaity | Kueken, posted |
| 19:55.35 | sharf | or dd you take it from something? |
| 19:55.41 | Ownage | I think you mean 1 global array |
| 19:55.48 | Ownage | store your data |
| 19:56.19 | Ownage | I don't know how people live without storing their data |
| 19:56.26 | Kueken | thanks :) |
| 19:56.47 | Ownage | your triggers must look like crazy ass swiss cheese with duplicate actions all over the place and a ton of if statements |
| 19:57.06 | Ownage | I prefer one-liners myself and I'll make some arrays if that's what it takes :) |
| 19:57.25 | d_u_c_k | hehe |
| 19:57.59 | Ownage | so you can do fun stuff you know |
| 19:58.01 | d_u_c_k | i got like 15 custom functions and 10 triggers so not (quite) as of now :) |
| 19:58.32 | Ownage | alright I'm going in and changing cannon range to 50 |
| 19:58.39 | Ownage | total default cannon nothing changed |
| 19:58.52 | Ownage | this doesn't work I'm home invading your asses |
| 19:59.20 | Kueken | if you let an ai use the units, make sure that they have vision |
| 19:59.57 | Kubi | ckSynergy |
| 20:00.03 | Ownage | damn you and your logic |
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| 20:00.31 | twodie | FINALLY |
| 20:00.40 | twodie | 5 hours spent for this shitty rendering |
| 20:02.16 | Ownage | yeh, works |
| 20:02.45 | Kueken | I tell you, give yourself control over enemy units, and you would have known instantly :D |
| 20:02.52 | Ownage | >< |
| 20:03.31 | d_u_c_k | well thats what i suggested about half an hour ago |
| 20:04.25 | Ownage | it didn't work with void |
| 20:04.29 | Ownage | it worked only with cannon |
| 20:06.20 | Ownage | hey what's involved with changing a beam color roughly |
| 20:06.33 | Ownage | or missile |
| 20:06.46 | Ownage | do I have to retexture it or is there an easy way |
| 20:07.13 | Kueken | you can tint it |
| 20:07.29 | Kueken | retexture is more work, but potentially looks nicer |
| 20:07.49 | Kueken | mostly white beams like void ray respond quite well to tint, though |
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| 20:09.15 | twodie | http://youtu.be/dj4vUMoRx-g |
| 20:10.28 | Ownage | where can I change tint of the beam |
| 20:10.38 | Ownage | I don't see it under actor events for the main actor |
| 20:10.41 | Kubi | Fuck |
| 20:10.42 | Kubi | FUCk |
| 20:10.43 | Kubi | FUCK |
| 20:10.52 | Ownage | oh I see it has its own actors |
| 20:11.03 | Kubi | FUCK |
| 20:11.12 | Ahli | slaps a large trout around a bit with Kubi FOCUS! |
| 20:11.28 | Kubi | I am trying to |
| 20:11.28 | Kubi | get |
| 20:11.33 | Kubi | a validator for level ability |
| 20:11.37 | Kubi | Essentially |
| 20:11.53 | Ahli | stopped reading at level ability :D |
| 20:12.10 | Kubi | :D |
| 20:12.11 | Kubi | Why |
| 20:12.25 | d_u_c_k | do you want to skip every second level? |
| 20:12.31 | Ahli | never used and won't ever use |
| 20:13.20 | Kubi | Nono |
| 20:13.28 | Kubi | I have a caster who makes a unit, a puddle |
| 20:13.35 | Kubi | And the puddle applies to behaviors to units in it |
| 20:14.00 | Kubi | However I am trying to detect the level of the ability on the caster so I can use a switch to apply different behaviors to units via the ability level |
| 20:14.10 | Kubi | I have switches but Source or Caster Outer does not wokrk |
| 20:15.51 | d_u_c_k | well how about count ability completed at unit |
| 20:16.03 | Kubi | I cant use caster, does not work because then it refers to the puddle. |
| 20:16.05 | Kubi | That's requirement |
| 20:16.08 | Kubi | I am using validators |
| 20:16.14 | Kubi | I have a solution I believe |
| 20:16.17 | Kubi | Count Behavior |
| 20:16.22 | Kubi | Apply Level behavior to puddle |
| 20:16.26 | Kubi | and use validators on that |
| 20:16.48 | Kueken | Kubi: is the puddle a unit? |
| 20:16.53 | Kubi | correct |
| 20:17.01 | Kueken | how is it spawned? |
| 20:17.05 | Kubi | Ability |
| 20:17.14 | Kueken | create unit effect |
| 20:17.15 | Kubi | I am not going to make 5 puddles for each level |
| 20:17.15 | Kubi | because |
| 20:17.17 | Kubi | fuck that |
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| 20:17.22 | Kubi | validators bro |
| 20:17.23 | Kueken | timed life behavior? |
| 20:17.26 | Kubi | Easier tree to maintain |
| 20:17.29 | Kubi | yes |
| 20:17.39 | Kueken | applied by the create effect? |
| 20:17.45 | Kubi | correct |
| 20:17.46 | Kueken | or added to the unit itself |
| 20:17.57 | Kubi | It's created by Create Unit effect |
| 20:18.24 | Kueken | okay |
| 20:18.33 | Kueken | then try Unit Origin |
| 20:18.52 | Kubi | kk |
| 20:19.14 | Kubi | I love switches |
| 20:19.19 | Kubi | making it so I can create one ability |
| 20:19.30 | Kubi | and 5 different levels of it, without copying the whole fucking thing |
| 20:19.44 | Kubi | One ability, 5 behaviors |
| 20:19.46 | Kubi | for each level |
| 20:19.47 | Kubi | awesome |
| 20:19.51 | Kubi | testing |
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| 20:20.20 | Ashamed | www.minepocket.com |
| 20:20.21 | Kubi | Nope didnt work |
| 20:20.54 | Kubi | I wonder what the effect field is for |
| 20:20.54 | Kubi | on unit |
| 20:21.28 | Kubi | Otherwise I'll just apply a hidden behavior buff to the unit |
| 20:21.30 | Kubi | and validate off that |
| 20:21.51 | Kubi | which I think what I'll have to do anyways |
| 20:21.52 | Kueken | you can specify which effect the location should be pulled from |
| 20:22.06 | Kubi | ahh? but how does that compare to effect/unit |
| 20:22.26 | Kueken | ? |
| 20:22.30 | Kueken | not sure I follow |
| 20:23.25 | Kueken | btw, do you need your puddle to be a unit? |
| 20:23.30 | Kubi | Yes |
| 20:24.04 | Kubi | I'm just going to use the behavior route |
| 20:24.07 | Kueken | persistent effect applying behavior with and added actor doesn't suffice? |
| 20:24.13 | Kueken | -d |
| 20:24.15 | Kubi | BUT |
| 20:24.18 | Kubi | What would it attach to? |
| 20:24.29 | Kueken | doesn't need to |
| 20:24.32 | Kubi | It's a puddle |
| 20:24.42 | Kubi | like slivans acid vomit |
| 20:25.00 | Kueken | yes, its somewhere on the ground |
| 20:25.39 | Kubi | its a unit |
| 20:26.17 | Kueken | well, unless it should be attackable or moving, it doesn't need to be |
| 20:26.43 | Kubi | true but for now |
| 20:26.46 | Kubi | I'll use behavior count |
| 20:26.59 | Kueken | and even if it should, you can execute a persistent effect via the create unit effect to apply the behavior |
| 20:27.18 | Kueken | this way the behavior gets applied by caster instead of by the puddle unit |
| 20:28.16 | Kubi | mmm |
| 20:28.27 | Kubi | That is true |
| 20:28.36 | Kubi | Just get rid of a whole another chain |
| 20:28.44 | Kubi | SO |
| 20:28.47 | Kubi | how do I create a unit |
| 20:28.50 | Kubi | I mean just an actor |
| 20:29.22 | Kueken | so no unit? |
| 20:29.25 | Kubi | yea |
| 20:29.49 | Kueken | well, for this specific application, you want to execute a persistent effect on a point |
| 20:30.06 | Kueken | so, I would add an actor reacting to that persistent |
| 20:30.24 | Kueken | actor, type model, based on ModelAnimationStyleContinuous |
| 20:30.31 | Kueken | without spaces |
| 20:30.44 | Kueken | select your puddle model |
| 20:30.50 | Kueken | add following events: |
| 20:31.08 | Kueken | Event.persistent.start -> at effect -> create |
| 20:31.16 | Kueken | *effect |
| 20:31.59 | Kueken | Effect.Persistent.stop -> at effect -> FromEffectTreeDescendant -> AnimBracketStop BSD |
| 20:32.05 | Kueken | that should be it |
| 20:33.45 | twodie | http://youtu.be/5JQyZTqdCZw |
| 20:35.13 | Taintedwisp | I guess my triggerer didnt find time -_- |
| 20:36.39 | Taintedwisp | dirty bastards |
| 20:38.27 | Ashamed | ahhh |
| 20:38.43 | Ashamed | who was working on that slender man project? |
| 20:38.43 | Taintedwisp | hey ashamed long time no see |
| 20:38.45 | Taintedwisp | hows it going? |
| 20:38.48 | Taintedwisp | Thats bounties |
| 20:38.54 | Taintedwisp | hes no longer working on it though |
| 20:39.06 | Ashamed | no someone was actually on the dev team of the next one |
| 20:39.09 | Ashamed | not the sc2 version |
| 20:39.12 | Taintedwisp | ohhh |
| 20:39.14 | Taintedwisp | I forget |
| 20:39.18 | Taintedwisp | I wanna say Otixa, but not sure |
| 20:39.23 | Ashamed | i talked to them like a month ago |
| 20:39.26 | Taintedwisp | maybe riceron |
| 20:39.28 | Taintedwisp | i remember |
| 20:39.29 | Ashamed | that sounds familer |
| 20:39.32 | Ashamed | mby otixa |
| 20:39.34 | Taintedwisp | I just dont remember who it was |
| 20:39.39 | Taintedwisp | but yeah I THINK otixa |
| 20:39.44 | Ashamed | >< hmm i heard it was coming out today |
| 20:39.49 | Ashamed | so i was going to ask if it was his version |
| 20:39.51 | Taintedwisp | I know leruster worked on Witcher 2 cutscene :) |
| 20:40.04 | Ashamed | oh thats impressive |
| 20:40.13 | Ashamed | minepocket.com <-- my site is bumping |
| 20:40.14 | Ashamed | i am at 10k visits a month |
| 20:40.16 | Taintedwisp | yeah he made the Ice/fire in the opening cutscene |
| 20:40.19 | Taintedwisp | cool |
| 20:40.21 | Ashamed | still much improvements to do |
| 20:40.23 | Taintedwisp | YOu coming back to mapping? |
| 20:40.32 | Taintedwisp | come back anyways. |
| 20:40.33 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 20:40.35 | Ashamed | yeah i might a bit... i did get hots |
| 20:40.41 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 20:40.51 | Ashamed | it took a lot of me to get it |
| 20:41.00 | Taintedwisp | I have been working on Evo-Frenzy :), i got it to where everyone who plays it has enjoyed it |
| 20:41.19 | Ashamed | i really wasn't planning to get it.. but new egg had this sale for a 256 gb solid state... i waited on it too long and it was sold out by the time i went to purchase it so i bought sc2 ha |
| 20:41.30 | Ashamed | Is it a evolves remake? |
| 20:41.33 | Taintedwisp | I like HoTS< I think the campaign is awesome, and the multiplayer has gotten much better, besides the laggy online(they should fix next patch) |
| 20:41.39 | Taintedwisp | Kinda but not really |
| 20:42.00 | Taintedwisp | Just think if Evolves, Changed over time, my project is what it would be by now |
| 20:42.08 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 20:42.23 | Ashamed | yeah i liked the campaign a lot more... i mean i still feel like blizzard is a fucking lazy ass company.. but hots was an improvment |
| 20:42.36 | Taintedwisp | haha yeah |
| 20:42.52 | Taintedwisp | One of the devs tried to bullshit the community I called them out on it :) |
| 20:42.55 | Taintedwisp | Well CM not Dev |
| 20:42.57 | Ashamed | nice |
| 20:43.04 | Taintedwisp | He said they originally had kerrigan with the gun in hand.. |
| 20:43.06 | Ashamed | what was he saying? |
| 20:43.13 | Taintedwisp | I asked him why it wasnt on the cutscene models animation |
| 20:43.21 | Taintedwisp | :)) |
| 20:43.24 | Ashamed | ha |
| 20:43.40 | Taintedwisp | They store all their old stuff, why not store that one too :) |
| 20:43.45 | Ashamed | dude i just feel like they got in the mood where they are like our name will sale our games... and quality is lacking bad |
| 20:43.58 | Taintedwisp | no they just have let their egos go to their head |
| 20:44.07 | Taintedwisp | This is what happens when you give a company too much praise |
| 20:44.13 | Ashamed | same thing i was pretty much saying ;0 |
| 20:44.18 | Taintedwisp | They think anything they do is perfect |
| 20:44.21 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 20:44.23 | Taintedwisp | Pretty much but not really |
| 20:44.31 | Ashamed | they need to start just making CGI movies ha |
| 20:44.36 | Ashamed | that is the only team i still am amazed by |
| 20:44.37 | Taintedwisp | THeir names will sale games, but they think they are good because they made themn |
| 20:44.42 | Taintedwisp | Nah |
| 20:44.51 | Kubi | uh oh |
| 20:44.56 | Kubi | TaintedWisp chiming in again. |
| 20:44.57 | Taintedwisp | Actually most of the cutscenes in HoTS were pre-rendered :) |
| 20:44.59 | Ashamed | Nah you don't like their CGI? |
| 20:45.10 | Taintedwisp | But they were made with sc2 cutscene editor |
| 20:45.11 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 20:45.14 | Ashamed | i havn't played to much of it yet |
| 20:45.18 | Taintedwisp | you couldnt even tell for parts of it |
| 20:45.21 | Ashamed | but their CGI scenes still were boss right? |
| 20:45.28 | Taintedwisp | ohyeah |
| 20:45.34 | Taintedwisp | They are a HUGE improvement over wol |
| 20:45.41 | Taintedwisp | and they run full quality on all settings |
| 20:45.44 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 20:46.08 | Taintedwisp | Since they are all just pre-rendered version of their former selves |
| 20:46.10 | Ashamed | yeah i have not even got to the point where kerrigan gets reinfested |
| 20:46.16 | Taintedwisp | :)) |
| 20:46.22 | Taintedwisp | Thats about 1/3rd of the way in |
| 20:46.26 | Taintedwisp | well 1/2 |
| 20:46.29 | Taintedwisp | Its a good story |
| 20:46.37 | Taintedwisp | Just dont listen to idiots saying "its dbz in space" |
| 20:46.42 | Ashamed | lol |
| 20:46.42 | Taintedwisp | becuase you know what... dbz was in space :)) |
| 20:46.49 | Ashamed | hahaha completly |
| 20:46.57 | Ashamed | goku rode a space ship for years or w/e |
| 20:47.03 | Taintedwisp | lol |
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| 20:47.26 | Taintedwisp | Well I wont talk anymore on the subject, I dont wanna ruin it for you :) |
| 20:47.36 | Taintedwisp | just know that all the missions area VERY fun once you get into it |
| 20:47.38 | Ashamed | now lets see the next one come out with a co-op campaign! |
| 20:47.45 | Taintedwisp | that would be awesome |
| 20:47.55 | Taintedwisp | Or hell just make Bonus Content for HoTS to keep the public interested |
| 20:47.59 | Ashamed | I can't believe they don't think they should do that |
| 20:48.26 | Taintedwisp | make a co-op campaign or make a PVP camapign system, where you use your campaign build to fight against each other... |
| 20:48.31 | Taintedwisp | OMG I JUST HAD A BADASS IDEA |
| 20:48.39 | Taintedwisp | I could make that too :) |
| 20:48.55 | Ownage | I replaced void ray actor model with nexus |
| 20:48.59 | Ashamed | you could the problem about making your own campain is getting enough people to enjoy it |
| 20:49.02 | Taintedwisp | A map where you select kerrigans abilities and all the mutations and such then fight with another player |
| 20:49.04 | Ownage | and changed arc to 360 and it works |
| 20:49.13 | Ownage | however it leaves blue lines on the ground |
| 20:49.21 | Enjay | Hey, is this a decent place to ask editor related questions, or should I head to the forum for that? |
| 20:49.25 | Taintedwisp | it wouldnt be a campaign it would be a special melee |
| 20:49.27 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 20:49.34 | Ownage | Enjay, it is |
| 20:49.39 | Taintedwisp | and then over time make 2 other races (protoss and terran) |
| 20:50.05 | Taintedwisp | That would be awesome :) |
| 20:50.06 | Enjay | Shweet. I'm just getting back into editing since HotS release, what's the gist on using HotS dependancies? |
| 20:50.14 | Enjay | Should I avoid it so that WoL people can play? |
| 20:50.21 | Taintedwisp | I would need a triggerer though |
| 20:50.27 | Taintedwisp | I dont feel like triggerering all that |
| 20:50.28 | Taintedwisp | :)) |
| 20:50.32 | Kubi | Kueken |
| 20:50.42 | Ashamed | dude tainted you can do it.. make a melee map with skill trees |
| 20:50.43 | Kubi | I don't know why I copy and paste shit that Blizzard interns might of made |
| 20:50.49 | Taintedwisp | as for maps just use the 1v1, and 2v2 maps :) |
| 20:50.58 | Ashamed | the problem you would have to create a balance system/etc to make sure lower lvls were not stompped by higher lvls |
| 20:51.02 | Taintedwisp | So the terrain is done |
| 20:51.09 | Taintedwisp | it would be a just for fun campaign |
| 20:51.14 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 20:51.22 | Taintedwisp | not campiagn |
| 20:51.28 | Taintedwisp | but melee |
| 20:51.35 | Ashamed | or cut the campaing out all together - just make it so when you win matches or do things inside of the matches you get xp |
| 20:51.35 | Kubi | Kueken |
| 20:51.45 | Taintedwisp | nah |
| 20:51.53 | Taintedwisp | I would rather use campaign tree and all that |
| 20:51.53 | Kueken | Kubi |
| 20:52.02 | Taintedwisp | But first... I gotta work on evo-frenzy more |
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| 20:52.08 | Kubi | How do I create the actor at the target location |
| 20:52.10 | Kubi | when i set target |
| 20:52.12 | Kubi | it doesnt work |
| 20:52.12 | Taintedwisp | i have over 5 ideas that would be amazing but not enough time to do them all |
| 20:52.31 | Enjay_ | Lost connection, but back now |
| 20:52.37 | Kueken | did you confirm that the persistent is at the target location? |
| 20:52.46 | Taintedwisp | A godzilla destroy all monsters type game, a run kitty run zombie survival game, Civ Wars game, RPG, and many more |
| 20:52.50 | Kubi | Target Point |
| 20:52.57 | Kubi | FieldAF Baxter Hero - Corrosive Vomit (Create Persistant Puddle) (Basic) Target: Location +(None):Target Point |
| 20:53.19 | Kueken | I mean, did you actually walk enemy units there and are they buffed? |
| 20:53.22 | Ashamed | I need to just get my TD out |
| 20:53.36 | Kubi | yeah but its not showing the effect |
| 20:53.38 | Ashamed | i started to create a vs. TD out that had a fucking bad ass chain system on it |
| 20:53.40 | Kueken | okay |
| 20:53.49 | Ashamed | so the faster you could kill mobs the more you were awarded |
| 20:53.49 | Kubi | I havent linked the behaviors to it yet |
| 20:53.55 | Kueken | did you add the "at" term to the create message? |
| 20:54.06 | Ashamed | you could get up to like a 5x chain if you killed each of them within 1 second of eachother |
| 20:54.13 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:54.18 | Kubi | Yes |
| 20:54.20 | Taintedwisp | I am good on the TDs. |
| 20:54.20 | Kubi | At Target |
| 20:54.22 | Taintedwisp | There are plenty ofthem |
| 20:54.30 | Ashamed | the chain would give you more of an award and make the mobs spawn with a small bit less health |
| 20:54.38 | Kueken | I use At Effect, but w/e |
| 20:54.47 | Ashamed | Tainted this TD wasn't normal at all |
| 20:54.50 | Ashamed | it has actual compentition |
| 20:54.57 | Kueken | then try using the SOpTargetPoint site operation |
| 20:55.00 | Ashamed | like its a PVP TD |
| 20:55.02 | Kubi | oh shit |
| 20:55.03 | Kubi | let me try |
| 20:55.04 | Kueken | in the Host Site Operations field |
| 20:55.09 | Enjay_ | Can anyone point me towards a good resource for making Heroes in the editor? As I'm new, I'm still getting used to it |
| 20:55.23 | Ashamed | and the chain system just worked so good |
| 20:55.32 | Ashamed | and it was hard getting 5x chain was not easy to get |
| 20:55.36 | Ashamed | 2x-3x was one thing |
| 20:55.38 | Kueken | Enjay_: If you added campaign dependencies, there is an example unit called Test Hero |
| 20:55.58 | Kueken | also, there should be a couple of tutorials on mapster or youtube |
| 20:56.14 | Kueken | shouldn't be too hard to find |
| 20:56.16 | Enjay_ | All the tutorials on Mapster, and Youtube are just... lacking, I dunno, I have trouble following them |
| 20:56.45 | Enjay_ | Mapster especially, I can't find a single finished Tut, and youtube, I have trouble just because I know half the stuff, and it's too annoying to skip over. I might just have to slog through it though |
| 20:56.52 | Enjay_ | But I shall investigate this Test Hero |
| 20:57.11 | Kueken | I know the feeling, thats exactly why I don't like video tutorials |
| 20:57.12 | Ashamed | enjay the shit is hard |
| 20:57.14 | Ashamed | that is why |
| 20:57.18 | Taintedwisp | kueken build me awesome bosses |
| 20:57.20 | Taintedwisp | :)) |
| 20:57.37 | d_u_c_k | ok where the fuck do i make an item stackable i tried looking for anything with "test" on it in the ditor but i cant figure out how the test potions stack |
| 20:57.38 | Ashamed | you gotta keep with it... |
| 20:57.41 | Kueken | build them yourself ;) |
| 20:57.49 | Enjay_ | Yeah, I know heroes are difficult |
| 20:57.56 | Enjay_ | But I'm determined to learn, I was just hoping there was an easier way |
| 20:58.28 | Kubi | Kueken I had to rearrange some effects |
| 20:58.30 | Kubi | I think it'll work now |
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| 21:27.59 | Taintedwisp | WHAT THE FUCK IS THE ISSUE HERE |
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| 21:42.30 | Zolden | Taintedwisp: there is another tainted on foru,, r u going to kill him or it doesn't work like this? |
| 21:42.58 | Taintedwisp | linjk? |
| 21:43.01 | Zolden | i actually killed 4 zoldens to become the only one |
| 21:43.10 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/player-zone/map-suggestions-requests/50498-brainstorming-protoss-campaign/?post=12 |
| 21:43.45 | Zolden | go do something, i'm scared |
| 21:44.21 | Taintedwisp | There |
| 21:44.22 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 21:44.45 | Zolden | yea! |
| 21:45.17 | Zolden | what if he call 2 more tainteds to beat you up? |
| 21:46.30 | Taintedwisp | Im taintedwisp ill just whoop all they asses |
| 21:46.54 | Taintedwisp | I beat the shit out of jademusSreg just last night... |
| 21:46.57 | Taintedwisp | thats why hes so quiet |
| 21:47.02 | Taintedwisp | he learned his place. |
| 21:47.03 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 21:47.04 | Zolden | u better keep a couple of tough niggers with you until the situation is resolved |
| 21:47.30 | Taintedwisp | niggers aint tough.. |
| 21:47.46 | Zolden | he may be scheming a strike back |
| 21:47.52 | Taintedwisp | Ghetto blacks is just a front, the people who actually attack others are just cowards trying to look bad. |
| 21:48.42 | Zolden | yea, i saw it in holliwood movies |
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| 21:55.11 | Zolden | is pool descends from poo? |
| 21:55.34 | Taintedwisp | Hey Anyone know why my progress bar gets tinted green? |
| 21:57.10 | Taintedwisp | Also my buttons are getting srunk... |
| 22:00.25 | Taintedwisp | ZOlden suck a left nut |
| 22:01.25 | Taintedwisp | I DONT UNDERSTAND |
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| 22:15.47 | pirate | ahoy |
| 22:21.32 | Taintedwisp | Alright JademusSreg you there? |
| 22:23.32 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/y6Z9k4E.jpg |
| 22:23.33 | Taintedwisp | There |
| 22:23.35 | Taintedwisp | what you think? |
| 22:23.39 | Taintedwisp | Still experimenting with the theme |
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| 22:27.37 | Wrath | Hey, can anybody help me out with a quick validator problem? |
| 22:29.30 | Taintedwisp | hey wrath long time no see hows it goin? |
| 22:29.33 | Taintedwisp | check it out |
| 22:29.34 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/y6Z9k4E.jpg |
| 22:30.12 | Taintedwisp | what you need help with? |
| 22:30.18 | Wrath | Is that the hero selection? |
| 22:30.30 | Wrath | I have an ability that applies a behavior to a target enemy |
| 22:30.35 | Taintedwisp | yeah thats myhero selection |
| 22:30.37 | Wrath | After one second, it should do one of two things: |
| 22:30.51 | Wrath | If there is a nearby enemy, jump the debuff to that enemy |
| 22:30.55 | Wrath | If there isn't, apply a new debuff |
| 22:30.58 | Taintedwisp | so you have a switch effect? correct? |
| 22:31.16 | Wrath | I wasn't planning on it, I was just going to use two validators |
| 22:31.36 | Taintedwisp | you could, or you could use a switch effect that switches out effects depending on validators |
| 22:31.48 | Wrath | They're in a set with another effect already anyways |
| 22:31.52 | Wrath | So it seemed redundant |
| 22:31.54 | Taintedwisp | ahh |
| 22:31.55 | Wrath | The problem is the validators |
| 22:31.56 | Taintedwisp | okie |
| 22:32.08 | Wrath | Enumerate area validators that is |
| 22:32.16 | Wrath | Can't get them to work |
| 22:32.18 | Taintedwisp | hmm never used those |
| 22:32.28 | Wrath | :/ Damn |
| 22:32.35 | Wrath | I might just do it a ghetto way then |
| 22:32.41 | Wrath | Put the search effect first |
| 22:32.48 | Wrath | If it succeeds apply a buff to the source |
| 22:32.50 | Taintedwisp | What you could possibly do though, as a quick work around, is do a search area, and do a validator to see if any enemy was caught in the search area |
| 22:33.02 | Wrath | Yeah |
| 22:33.06 | Wrath | I think I'm gonna do that |
| 22:33.11 | Wrath | brb |
| 22:33.13 | Taintedwisp | kk |
| 22:34.59 | Taintedwisp | I need to get a hold of Triceron |
| 22:35.00 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 22:35.08 | Taintedwisp | I wanna see if he would allow me to use his Grunt Model |
| 22:35.09 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 22:35.22 | Taintedwisp | I wanna use the spaces in the midle of the map for Non Starcraft heroes |
| 22:35.38 | Taintedwisp | middle of the hero select* |
| 22:37.03 | Wrath | Grunt? Grunt from what? |
| 22:38.02 | Taintedwisp | I want touse a few of his models |
| 22:38.10 | Taintedwisp | He made a very nice grunt unit |
| 22:38.20 | Taintedwisp | I also want his Demon Hunter |
| 22:38.46 | Wrath | What kind of grunt? You mean like a Halo grunt or...? |
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| 22:39.57 | Taintedwisp | no, a warcraft 2 grunt |
| 22:40.59 | Kubi | I spent all day fucking with this ability |
| 22:41.01 | Kubi | and I said fuck it |
| 22:41.08 | Kubi | and I copied Psi Storm and tweaked it |
| 22:41.11 | Kubi | and now I have my intended effect |
| 22:41.23 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:41.55 | Kubi | funny how that shit is |
| 22:41.58 | Kubi | added a launch missile effect |
| 22:42.04 | Kubi | and it works thet way I want it |
| 22:43.26 | Zolden | Taintedwisp: black background is still the best |
| 22:43.39 | Taintedwisp | ? what you mean zolden? |
| 22:56.15 | Taintedwisp | FIXED IT |
| 22:58.23 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/zJV7WU5.jpg |
| 23:01.17 | Zolden | i mean unit icons were created for black background |
| 23:02.09 | Taintedwisp | so? |
| 23:02.10 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 23:02.14 | Taintedwisp | I created them |
| 23:02.23 | Taintedwisp | there created for whatever I wish |
| 23:02.36 | Taintedwisp | welll the tauren, tass, and sarag I didnt make |
| 23:02.39 | Taintedwisp | sarah* |
| 23:02.57 | Taintedwisp | there just reduced the time remaining |
| 23:03.10 | Taintedwisp | Hey how would I change a timer into a progress bar? |
| 23:06.51 | Ahli | with math |
| 23:07.47 | Taintedwisp | :)) |
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| 23:27.57 | JademusSreg | I return. |
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| 23:35.13 | Taintedwisp | i hate moving dialogs soo much |
| 23:35.13 | Taintedwisp | haha |
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| 23:35.56 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 23:37.49 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/zJV7WU5.jpg |
| 23:37.49 | Ahli | behavior update is a terrible event :X |
| 23:37.53 | Taintedwisp | thats pretty rece nt |
| 23:38.00 | Taintedwisp | working on buttons right now :)) |
| 23:38.08 | Taintedwisp | Trying to make them all be disabled |
| 23:38.58 | Ahli | behavior update event can't distinguish refresh and something actor events would describe as "on/off" |
| 23:39.39 | JademusSreg | Cool. Still needs shadows around the hero icons to buffer the light hues of the icons against the pale button for the purpose of enhancing the profile and readability. |
| 23:40.18 | JademusSreg | Ahli, that sucks. |
| 23:40.35 | JademusSreg | Though you could employ dummy effects on the behavior. |
| 23:41.12 | JademusSreg | And much better use of the lower space, Taint. =D |
| 23:41.19 | Ahli | yeah, I think I need to do that :D |
| 23:41.39 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:44.56 | JademusSreg | Oh, how I would enjoy some galaxy script visibility modifiers that didn't completely fuck simple in-file scope references. |
| 23:45.15 | Taintedwisp | I can do that :) |
| 23:45.31 | Taintedwisp | So give it a shadows similar to the Question mark right? |
| 23:45.37 | JademusSreg | Precisely. |
| 23:45.49 | duck_ | how THE FUCK does "inventory item carried" work?????ß |
| 23:46.10 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 23:46.12 | duck_ | it seems to return the item that has been in the inventory for the longest amount of time |
| 23:46.26 | duck_ | instead of the item carried in slot x |
| 23:47.40 | Ahli | it uses its internal slots I believe |
| 23:48.13 | duck_ | and that means? |
| 23:48.20 | JademusSreg | Last I tested, the static modifier on a function makes it completely invisible to all string-based function references, which means triggers can't register with static functions. Though I haven't tested the static modifier on funcref since it was introduced. |
| 23:52.02 | JademusSreg | Nearly done formatting the next layout element support batch. |
| 23:52.04 | JademusSreg | brb |
