| 00:00.35 | JademusSreg | Caster is used for Neural Parasite's persistent because that's where it is. |
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| 00:00.55 | asda | http://i.imgur.com/YyCkR88.jpg http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/24429-weekly-data-exercise-18-elementals/ i want to make it work in melee map but i can't. please help me... |
| 00:00.56 | JademusSreg | But your destroy effect needs to set itself at the target point of its ancestor in the effect tree. |
| 00:01.19 | asda | anyone has cold spell or rock spell? |
| 00:01.24 | JademusSreg | To do that, you set the location to refer to the target point (probably) of the beam persistent. |
| 00:01.45 | Zolden | ok, lemme try |
| 00:03.59 | asda | doesnt work |
| 00:04.21 | asda | i think actors have problem |
| 00:04.28 | JademusSreg | So basically, the Effect: Effect field and the Target: Location + fields will both point to the same effect, and Location will specify Target Point (making assumptions about that persistent's launch and target locations) as well. That, along with Count 1 and small radius should limit it to only destroy the persistent that created it. |
| 00:04.36 | JademusSreg | asda, nearly all errors are user error. |
| 00:04.59 | asda | it works on original map but it doesnt work on melee map |
| 00:05.00 | JademusSreg | Also, that topic is ancient. |
| 00:05.11 | asda | it works on campaign map |
| 00:05.42 | JademusSreg | PErhaps you lack a needed dependency. |
| 00:05.43 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 00:06.26 | asda | yeah so i think i need other actor or model of melee map |
| 00:06.33 | asda | i want to make it work in melee map |
| 00:07.21 | Kubi | I fixed my teleport bug of units teleporting in the middle |
| 00:07.32 | Kubi | parently I set my buildings to have a movement pathing |
| 00:08.58 | asda | i guess no one can make it work in melee map... |
| 00:10.48 | Taintedwisp | how do I make it so the host can move people in lobby? |
| 00:10.52 | Taintedwisp | GOGOGOGOGOGOGO |
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| 00:13.17 | Zolden | JademusSreg: well, any manipulations woth destroy persistent have the only effect that the persistent doesn't get destroyed |
| 00:13.40 | Zolden | and it diesn't affect beams |
| 00:14.17 | Zolden | Kueken: wanna help me a bit? |
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| 00:14.32 | Kueken | sure |
| 00:14.59 | Zolden | i mentioned something about it today |
| 00:15.03 | Kueken | your hexagon aagain? ;) |
| 00:15.06 | Zolden | a hexagone of beams |
| 00:15.28 | Zolden | well, it isn't so hard but one little thing with actors |
| 00:17.10 | Zolden | for each beam I use the same chain of effects, which create a beam, searches along it and destroy the searching persistent if a target hit. The problem is that it destroys all other beams, not only the one which was created by this chain |
| 00:17.21 | Kueken | ah |
| 00:17.25 | Kueken | no problemo |
| 00:17.45 | Kueken | on the beam destroy message, add a "FromEffectTreeDescendant" term |
| 00:17.46 | Kueken | done |
| 00:18.22 | Zolden | I tried it, didn't help, maybe my configuration of chain effects is fucked |
| 00:18.41 | asda | can anyone make it work in melee map? |
| 00:18.53 | Kueken | are you sure its just all beams getting destroyed and not all persistents? |
| 00:19.00 | Zolden | yes |
| 00:19.32 | Zolden | sec, i'll try again to add treedescendant thing :) |
| 00:19.44 | Bounty | is 3 minutes to long for a release trailer? lol |
| 00:19.45 | Kueken | how do you handle the beams? |
| 00:20.03 | asda | anyone? |
| 00:20.04 | Zolden | sec, if it won't work, i'll explain |
| 00:20.59 | Kueken | asda: make what work? |
| 00:21.09 | Kueken | I feel as if I am missing a question here |
| 00:21.38 | asda | http://i.imgur.com/YyCkR88.jpg http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/24429-weekly-data-exercise-18-elementals/ i want to make it work in melee map but i can't. please help me... |
| 00:21.56 | Zolden | yea, "FromEffectTreeDescendant" make it that none of beams get destroyed |
| 00:22.28 | asda | kueken? |
| 00:22.33 | Kueken | yep |
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| 00:23.15 | Taintedwisp | THERE I radically changed the hero select but fixed it |
| 00:23.20 | asda | can you make it work in melee map |
| 00:23.39 | Kueken | just a sec, checking if HotS broke it |
| 00:23.56 | asda | i must use hots melee map |
| 00:24.05 | asda | no other standard |
| 00:24.18 | asda | can you find alternative actor or model? |
| 00:24.27 | Kueken | ? |
| 00:24.37 | Kueken | it works |
| 00:24.39 | asda | it freezes enemies but i can't see the frost ray beam |
| 00:24.56 | asda | it doesn't work in melee hots map standard |
| 00:24.59 | Kueken | okay, thats a start |
| 00:25.21 | asda | it works if you open it |
| 00:25.32 | Kueken | it works in the example map, so it should work in any other map if you copy it correctly |
| 00:25.37 | asda | but i copied them and pasted them to my hots melee map |
| 00:25.59 | Kueken | copy&paste sometimes messes up some links |
| 00:26.19 | asda | i think it doesnt work in hots melee standard |
| 00:26.25 | Kueken | check the relevant actors for the frost ray for differences to the example map |
| 00:26.32 | asda | i am using swarm (mod) |
| 00:26.56 | Kueken | well, change the dependencies in the example map, and you can see if it works ;) |
| 00:27.15 | Kueken | I doubt, thats the problem, though |
| 00:27.57 | Kueken | it is easy to mess something up while copy&pasting, just check the links between the objects |
| 00:28.00 | asda | i must not change it |
| 00:28.08 | Kueken | check if the correct model is used for the beam |
| 00:28.08 | Kueken | etc |
| 00:28.44 | Kueken | I don't mean that you should change the dependencies of your melee map |
| 00:29.01 | Kueken | just to change dependencies of the test map to match your melee map |
| 00:29.08 | Kueken | to see if the elemental still works |
| 00:30.51 | Kueken | ic |
| 00:31.00 | Kueken | it uses liberty campaign assets |
| 00:31.25 | Kueken | so either, you need to add liberty campaign dependencies besides the swarm multi |
| 00:31.38 | Kueken | or you need to use other assets |
| 00:32.11 | asda | can you use other assets |
| 00:32.53 | Kueken | sure you can, might look different though |
| 00:33.10 | Kueken | But I won't do it for you |
| 00:33.15 | asda | i just need some visual thing even if it is different |
| 00:33.26 | asda | how do i do this? |
| 00:34.15 | Kueken | what prevents you from adding the liberty campaign dependencies? |
| 00:34.31 | asda | it is 3v3 melee map |
| 00:34.33 | Kueken | it shouldn't affect balance |
| 00:34.47 | asda | when i used campaign etc |
| 00:34.59 | asda | the units and structures got campaign units |
| 00:35.15 | asda | and i must change all to melee map setting |
| 00:35.18 | Kueken | campaign just adds assets and stuff, it doesn't modify any existing unit |
| 00:35.33 | Kueken | liberty story affects existing units and balance |
| 00:35.40 | asda | i can try |
| 00:35.42 | Kueken | but you don't need to include that |
| 00:41.18 | Zolden | JademusSreg: ok, everything is fixed, without modifying destroy persistent :) |
| 00:48.26 | asda | it doesnt work |
| 00:48.29 | asda | with hots |
| 00:48.52 | asda | anyone has cold or ice spell or rock spell on hots? |
| 00:50.27 | Taintedwisp | ahh that was some good pizza |
| 00:51.11 | progammer | ugh when you add campaign dependencies, some value override melee |
| 00:51.56 | progammer | if you need melee balance and capaign assests im afraid you have to use capaign dependencies and adjust data or use melee dependencies and import model |
| 00:52.05 | Kueken | I thought campaign and story were specifically designed so campaign would not override anything, only story would |
| 00:52.47 | progammer | story == campaign |
| 00:53.00 | Kueken | o__0 |
| 00:53.49 | Kueken | if I add campaign and melee, everything is fine, if I add story and melee, a warning pops up that these are mutually excluse |
| 00:53.58 | Kueken | so I guess they are not equal |
| 00:55.52 | progammer | hm somehow they had story and campaign as different thing |
| 00:56.55 | asda | can anyone plz add frost visual in melee map for that spell |
| 00:57.49 | progammer | ok campaign and story campaign should be the same, i would recommend use only campaign, not Story Campaign |
| 00:59.41 | Kueken | I am pretty sure they were separated for that exact reason |
| 00:59.56 | Kueken | so you can use campaign assets without compromising melee balance |
| 01:00.13 | progammer | Story campaign contains the campaign as well |
| 01:00.20 | Kueken | yeah, sure |
| 01:00.36 | Kueken | story is campaign + changes to melee units |
| 01:01.03 | Kueken | whereas campaign only adds assets and non-melee units, which are not available to bild if the melee units are still standard |
| 01:01.09 | Kueken | *build |
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| 01:19.22 | asda | how do i change it to mothership beam? |
| 01:20.18 | Kueken | it is mothership beam ;) |
| 01:20.39 | asda | i mean melee mothership beam |
| 01:20.49 | asda | i just want to use mothership beam |
| 01:24.36 | asda | lol |
| 01:24.44 | asda | model exists but i can't use it |
| 01:26.01 | Taintedwisp | Trying to think of what other issues there are with my map |
| 01:31.56 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 01:38.40 | Taintedwisp | JademusSreg you doing anything? |
| 01:39.12 | JademusSreg | Formatting layout elements for another editor-crashing test. Why, wat's up? |
| 01:40.00 | Taintedwisp | I need a button frame created, but I am not good enough to do it, I want to use the grandmaster frame as a frame from my buttons |
| 01:40.20 | Taintedwisp | but its just a regular square picture and I dont know how to make it into a button |
| 01:40.31 | JademusSreg | As in around it, like a border, or you want it to -be- the button? |
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| 01:40.57 | Taintedwisp | I want it to be the button pretty much. |
| 01:41.48 | JademusSreg | Should be pretty easy to do. I'll run this test, then I'll assist. |
| 01:42.12 | JademusSreg | Would take too much time to instruct how to do it, so I'll make it instead. |
| 01:42.33 | Taintedwisp | kk ill need 2 though 1 for the regular and one for the hover.(the hover can use the diamond one :) |
| 01:42.39 | Taintedwisp | kk |
| 01:43.13 | JademusSreg | Well, yeah, that's how buttons work. =D |
| 01:43.14 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/KbSU96g.png theres a picture of a picture that also shows the file location |
| 01:43.29 | Taintedwisp | I think it will look awesome |
| 01:43.30 | JademusSreg | I know the file; I used it in a number of tests. |
| 01:43.34 | Taintedwisp | ah okie |
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| 01:52.04 | Taintedwisp | Thunderlord you there? |
| 01:57.15 | Taintedwisp | Anyone know how to change the Health bar over a units head? |
| 01:57.24 | Taintedwisp | I wanna change its image. |
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| 02:04.11 | Kueken | anyone knows, how I can change the worker count display on a main building? |
| 02:04.45 | Kueken | in case I changed the movespeed of workers for example to not make 3 workers per patch the ideal amount |
| 02:12.23 | Taintedwisp | This next update to my map is GOING TO BE HUGE |
| 02:12.24 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 02:12.31 | Taintedwisp | Upgrading SOOOO much stuff |
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| 02:19.54 | sharf | so...my sound plays even if your screen is not near the source? |
| 02:22.29 | Kueken | make it 3d world relative |
| 02:22.34 | Kueken | yours is probably 2d |
| 02:23.01 | sharf | ty |
| 02:23.04 | sharf | yes |
| 02:23.05 | sharf | it was |
| 02:27.25 | sharf | that... |
| 02:27.28 | sharf | didn't fix it |
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| 02:34.49 | JademusSreg | Kueken, any chance there's a value in Gameplay or GameUI data? Or it may be an actor texttag, not certain. |
| 02:35.22 | Kueken | my thoughts as well |
| 02:35.27 | Kueken | didn't find it so far |
| 02:35.51 | JademusSreg | I'll dig around a bit. |
| 02:37.24 | sharf | still plays it everywhere |
| 02:37.46 | Ahli | I didn't find one neither =/ |
| 02:37.59 | JademusSreg | There's a game option, according to the layout, called ShowWorkerStatus, which may not be related. |
| 02:38.06 | JademusSreg | But if it is, I'll find what it hooks into. |
| 02:38.09 | Taintedwisp | Jademus Whenever you get to those buttons beep me. Ill have the sound on low, so it might take a minute ill be in game |
| 02:38.32 | JademusSreg | It'll be before I sleep, Taint. |
| 02:38.42 | JademusSreg | Can't say with any more precision when, though. |
| 02:40.06 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 02:40.18 | JademusSreg | Never noticed that status bar flag before. |
| 02:40.39 | JademusSreg | Apparently "Workers" was added at some point. |
| 02:41.17 | JademusSreg | Ahhh. |
| 02:41.20 | JademusSreg | StatusTextInfo. |
| 02:42.03 | Kueken | where? |
| 02:42.03 | JademusSreg | Attachment Ref_StatusbBar, FontSize 16, background, blah blah color, Background image, Assets\Textures\ui_ingame_workercount_bg.dds. |
| 02:42.39 | Kueken | the setting is definitely related, it turns the worker count display on and off |
| 02:42.41 | JademusSreg | GenericUnitBase. |
| 02:42.43 | Bounty | JAdemusSreg |
| 02:42.47 | Bounty | this video is so fucking epic |
| 02:42.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:43.11 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:43.36 | Kueken | it doesn't state the count anywhere |
| 02:43.46 | Kueken | all just style and background etc |
| 02:43.57 | JademusSreg | Well, gotta let me finish digging. These are just the noteworthy bits. |
| 02:44.03 | Kueken | :) |
| 02:44.31 | JademusSreg | Not sure what that Ref_ is though. |
| 02:45.18 | JademusSreg | Starting in Core, working my way up. |
| 02:45.52 | Kueken | :) |
| 02:48.25 | JademusSreg | <StatusHarvesterData Text="UI/HarvesterCountMinerals" SearchFilters="HarvestableResource;Player,Ally,Enemy" SearchRadius="8"/> Haha, neat stuff. |
| 02:49.52 | JademusSreg | Damn me for not extracting the gamestrings. |
| 02:50.07 | JademusSreg | Wanna check what value that text key is, Kueken? |
| 02:50.27 | Kueken | on it |
| 02:51.01 | Kueken | <img path="@@UI/ResourceIconNoBackground0" alignment="AbsoluteMiddle" width="20" height="20"/> Workers: %current%/%ideal% |
| 02:51.19 | Kueken | seen that before |
| 02:51.31 | JademusSreg | Excellent. |
| 02:51.38 | Kueken | I would need to change whatever %ideal% links too |
| 02:51.41 | Kueken | *to |
| 02:51.47 | JademusSreg | Just gotta find it. =D |
| 02:52.07 | Kueken | that text is used in the nexus actor |
| 02:52.14 | Ahli | maybe the system actor has a value for that? |
| 02:52.48 | JademusSreg | Checked the actor data for both Core and Liberty. |
| 02:52.58 | JademusSreg | But it -is- in the string dump from the client memory. |
| 02:53.20 | JademusSreg | I'll see if I can find a status bar for it in the layout. |
| 02:53.50 | Kueken | negative on system actor |
| 02:53.59 | Kueken | it seems like |
| 02:58.17 | JademusSreg | Nothing turns up in GameUI or Gameplay data in either Core or Liberty, and not in the layouts either., |
| 02:58.37 | Kueken | found nothing there as well |
| 02:58.42 | JademusSreg | Seems like Ref_StatusBar is an unsolved component. |
| 02:59.07 | Kueken | maybe it is hardcoded and gets calculated based on distance and movespeed xD |
| 02:59.12 | Kueken | but I don't think so |
| 02:59.35 | JademusSreg | Yeah, those tokens are in the hardcode, which certainly supports that assertion. |
| 03:00.03 | JademusSreg | 00EA2EE8 |
| 03:00.19 | Kueken | but I assume, its hardcoded to display 3 and not dynamically changed |
| 03:00.31 | Kueken | 3 per mineral patch that is |
| 03:00.35 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 03:00.39 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 03:00.48 | Kueken | well, can always fake it |
| 03:00.49 | JademusSreg | What's in the validator?> |
| 03:01.32 | Kueken | which validator? |
| 03:01.40 | Kueken | didn't see any associated validator |
| 03:01.44 | JademusSreg | HarvestableResource. |
| 03:01.51 | JademusSreg | <StatusHarvesterData Text="UI/HarvesterCountMinerals" SearchFilters="HarvestableResource;Player,Ally,Enemy" SearchRadius="8"/> |
| 03:02.11 | Kueken | its just a unit filter |
| 03:02.23 | Kueken | HarvestableResource is a unit flag I believe |
| 03:02.32 | JademusSreg | Oh, silly me. |
| 03:02.39 | JademusSreg | I should have read more carefully. |
| 03:04.30 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 03:04.31 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD5WxUN1bGo |
| 03:04.57 | Kueken | :/ |
| 03:05.11 | Kueken | just replacing the %ideal% with 3 doesn't work |
| 03:05.31 | Kueken | as expected, it won't multiply with the amount of mineral patches |
| 03:06.12 | JademusSreg | Looking good Bounty. =D |
| 03:06.27 | Bounty | let me know what u think of it when its done Jade |
| 03:07.33 | Kueken | looking good, hate the music ;) |
| 03:08.00 | JademusSreg | It is sufficient. =D |
| 03:08.21 | Bounty | Whats wrong with the music, it fits perfectly |
| 03:08.34 | Kueken | maybe |
| 03:08.43 | Kueken | :) |
| 03:08.51 | Kueken | I don't like it, just personal taste |
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| 03:10.47 | Fenix | Hey, does anyone knows why: If you run " UI - Hide game UI for (All players)" twice (not necessairly in the same trigger or at the same time) You cannot bring it back ? |
| 03:11.23 | Fenix | Even if you do like: Hide, Hide, Show, it will be hidden |
| 03:11.32 | Fenix | If you do Hide, Show, it will be visible |
| 03:11.58 | JademusSreg | Don't hide twice? |
| 03:12.29 | Fenix | Yeah... but still, even if you hdie twice, shouldnt it show if you want to show it? |
| 03:12.33 | Ahli | show show would show it again |
| 03:12.40 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:12.49 | Fenix | I've tried, hide, hide, show, show, and it didnt work |
| 03:12.57 | Ahli | then they altered it |
| 03:13.20 | Ahli | can you still create their credits screen with that? :D |
| 03:13.20 | JademusSreg | How come if I cut halfway through my leg once it will heal, but if I cut all the way through it I can't reattach it? D= |
| 03:13.30 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 03:14.49 | Fenix | at least show show hide still hide >.< |
| 03:16.13 | Ahli | use a boolean array to save if you already hid (correct word?) it for the player. |
| 03:17.38 | Fenix | yeah could work...just stupid to always check if the players have the ui shown or not... simply doing show or hide would be faster/more simple... |
| 03:21.45 | Taintedwisp | Not before you sleep JademusSreg !!!! your a robot you never sleep :P thats a longer time then blizzards soon. |
| 03:22.18 | Taintedwisp | ~jademusSreg |
| 03:22.18 | purl | methinks jademussreg is living large with women and money |
| 03:22.26 | Taintedwisp | they changed it |
| 03:25.24 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 03:26.06 | Shawn|Rawr | Jade, don't you know they reincarnated an extinct animal? Anything is possible |
| 03:26.45 | Taintedwisp | the purl thing aboutjademus used to be about him being a robot that never sleeps |
| 03:26.46 | Taintedwisp | they changed it :( |
| 03:26.59 | JademusSreg | You may be misusing "reincarnated" there. =D |
| 03:27.22 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 03:27.29 | Taintedwisp | How do you reincarnate a species? |
| 03:27.31 | Taintedwisp | I wanna hear this |
| 03:31.48 | Kueken | easy, get some amber with a mosquito in it, extract dinosaur dna, start cloning |
| 03:31.57 | Kueken | oh wait... |
| 03:33.00 | sharf | how could I make an ability that had the unit attack+have an effect? |
| 03:36.23 | Kueken | in general i would say have a look at Augment abilities, for example the Zealot Charge |
| 03:37.04 | sharf | well basically, I want the unit to do an attack, but then add a search+effect to it |
| 03:37.46 | sharf | or...even an ability with the same damage as a normal attack would be |
| 03:42.58 | sharf | also, do I need a persist if my search area is only firing once? |
| 03:43.05 | reaperguyver | hhmmmm |
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| 03:44.31 | tordy | hey progammer |
| 03:45.17 | reaperguyver | I probably picked the worst thing to copy as a weapon first lol >.< |
| 03:46.37 | reaperguyver | Trying to copy the mutalisk attack with bounce and I can't figure out how to replace two of the things I need to replace. which end up being the missle models... |
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| 04:01.06 | reaperguyver | Any idea how to replace Mutalisk attack segment 2/3 missle? |
| 04:01.42 | Shawn|Rawr | opens editor |
| 04:01.58 | Kueken | mutalisk attack is just a huge mess xD |
| 04:03.06 | Shawn|Rawr | Did you try changing the actor for each segment? |
| 04:03.30 | reaperguyver | I noticed. |
| 04:03.37 | reaperguyver | I don't want to modify the original actor |
| 04:03.55 | reaperguyver | and for some reason they're linked ot a weapon or somehting and I can't replace it with the one I made? |
| 04:03.58 | Shawn|Rawr | When you duplicate a weapon, its a good idea to duplicate all the actors with it |
| 04:04.13 | reaperguyver | I just want a damned attack to bounce to 2 other untis and it's really hard for some reason. |
| 04:04.38 | Shawn|Rawr | Everything is hard in the sc2 editor |
| 04:04.59 | Shawn|Rawr | This is why most custom maps are simple and badly made |
| 04:05.09 | reaperguyver | yeah... |
| 04:05.35 | reaperguyver | I mean there was a tutorial on how to make a tower shoot bouncing stuff which was great but I couldn't use the stupid model for the attack that I wanted. |
| 04:09.17 | reaperguyver | So any suggestions on how to make this easier would be appreciated... |
| 04:10.01 | JademusSreg | Wat's up? |
| 04:10.10 | reaperguyver | data editor being mean again. |
| 04:10.20 | reaperguyver | Just trying to make a unit's attacks bounce. |
| 04:10.54 | reaperguyver | Tried to use a replica of the mutalisk and it's won't let me make copies of the last 2 things I need to modify. |
| 04:11.47 | sharf | ok... |
| 04:11.51 | sharf | i need some actor help :x |
| 04:11.55 | JademusSreg | Well, seems like understanding how it works in the first place would be a better approach than copying it and getting frustrated when it doesn't work. |
| 04:12.07 | JademusSreg | So, Reap, how does the mutalisk weapon bounce? |
| 04:12.45 | sharf | I have my unit do attack animations for some spells, but the attack animation has a bunch of...dead space? so after he does the attack, he stands and slides for a bit |
| 04:12.48 | sharf | how do I fix that? |
| 04:12.51 | Fenix | copying and raging is a way to learn when there is no one to show you what you need to know.. |
| 04:13.01 | sharf | ^ |
| 04:13.12 | JademusSreg | Haha. If that's what pleases you, by all means. |
| 04:13.21 | reaperguyver | I got the effect to work I just need to change the actors form looking like mutalisk discs to the diamond back weapon shot. |
| 04:13.28 | JademusSreg | Anyway, does the attack have a long backswing? |
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| 04:14.08 | reaperguyver | glave wurm mu2&3 and the attack missle segments 2&3 |
| 04:14.18 | JademusSreg | Sounds like you'll need to create beams at site actors created at each launch and impact site. |
| 04:14.46 | JademusSreg | I believe the Hybrid chain lightning ability is along those lines, so use that as a reference. |
| 04:15.14 | reaperguyver | oh? |
| 04:15.18 | reaperguyver | I'll look into that. |
| 04:16.43 | JademusSreg | (The hybrid chain lightning is probably simple than that, even.) |
| 04:16.44 | sharf | why is it that durations never seem to work on animations? |
| 04:17.04 | reaperguyver | I based the weapon off of the mutalisk so I could get the mover and the birthing event is still registering it as a mutalisk weapon. |
| 04:17.16 | JademusSreg | They do, sharf, provided they have asset driven loops. =D |
| 04:17.26 | JademusSreg | Or you draw out the time scale. |
| 04:18.08 | sharf | alright wel... |
| 04:18.14 | JademusSreg | Yeah, Reap, always gotta fix what dupe/copy doesn't catch, which is usually every reference that matters. |
| 04:18.18 | sharf | how do I make it stop after the specific animation? |
| 04:18.29 | JademusSreg | Stop what? |
| 04:18.31 | sharf | and nt keep going in the standing animation/ |
| 04:18.42 | sharf | ok, I run an animation when the spell is cast |
| 04:18.49 | sharf | it lasts 1.5 seconds |
| 04:18.51 | JademusSreg | AnimBrackets tend to self terminate on completion. |
| 04:18.59 | sharf | afterwads, if the unit moves, it slides |
| 04:19.07 | reaperguyver | hhhmmm |
| 04:19.08 | sharf | because there is an additional 3 seconds of "standing" space |
| 04:19.15 | reaperguyver | Okay I'll see what i can do. |
| 04:19.23 | reaperguyver | If not I'll ahve to try to copy chain reaction... |
| 04:22.49 | sharf | ugh |
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| 04:34.16 | Fenix | what is the UI name of the part where is displayed the the rank, unit name, weapon, armor, etc? |
| 04:35.25 | sharf | I'm looking at the psi storm because Iwant to make an ability like it, what are refres heffects, and what is meant by a Damage Reference? |
| 04:37.44 | Fenix | instead of using the "hide all the UI" I'm manually hiding every parts and it seems to work... though I don't know what are all the panels, ui, and stuff to hide and what is unecessairy to hide |
| 04:41.21 | Shawn|Rawr | You are looking for the info panel, iirc, Fenix |
| 04:43.19 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/kam3r |
| 04:43.36 | JademusSreg | Data mining complete. |
| 04:44.11 | Fenix | yu shawn. |
| 04:44.15 | Fenix | ty* |
| 04:46.27 | reaperguyver | .... |
| 04:46.36 | reaperguyver | what would that... why would.... |
| 04:46.45 | Fenix | are there any image that shows all the panels and say what they are? |
| 04:47.30 | JademusSreg | I've been working on finding which frame types support which elements. Mission accomplished*. |
| 04:48.27 | JademusSreg | Muted buttons or customized, non-triggered asynchronous sounds? Fuck yes. |
| 04:48.36 | JademusSreg | Animated textures? Absolutely. |
| 04:48.44 | Fenix | Something like: UI - Hide Character Sheet Button for (All players) I don't need that? |
| 04:49.18 | JademusSreg | Pardon? |
| 04:50.10 | Fenix | I just want to hide all the stuff of the screen, buttons, command card, etc, but there are probably panel that i do not need to trigger cause they dont show or hide something on the screen |
| 04:50.23 | Fenix | like my last example, Character Sheet button, the hell is that |
| 04:51.55 | JademusSreg | I used a script to hide UI elements, but that is rather limited. Instead it's probably more efficient to just make the parent frame not visible. If you like in UI editor GameUI, you'll see that it supports a number of frames that in turn hold most of the junk. |
| 04:52.21 | JademusSreg | But hiding them that way is only good if you don't need reenable them later. |
| 04:52.48 | JademusSreg | Anyway, character sheet button is for characters. =D |
| 04:53.03 | Fenix | im making a minigame map and some minigame i want to show the ui, some i want to hide it |
| 04:53.23 | JademusSreg | Ah, then you're good with the triggers, yeah. |
| 04:54.02 | Fenix | yeah, but i still dont know what are the ones i dont need / or need to hide. |
| 04:54.18 | Fenix | console panel, is that usefull? |
| 04:54.45 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/fuhj3 |
| 04:54.46 | Shawn|Rawr | Might be easier to just hide the whole game ui, no? |
| 04:54.54 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:55.09 | Fenix | yes but not... the trigger seems buggy and do not show it back.. |
| 04:56.03 | JademusSreg | That's the basic form, plus add exceptions via if (!(c_synFrameWhatever|c_syncFrameSomeShit)) { ... } |
| 04:56.32 | Fenix | sorry jade, this is chinee for me... i dont code galaxy =/ |
| 04:56.39 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 04:58.47 | ThunderLord | anyone wana join in for a beta test of a game? |
| 04:59.13 | Fenix | what is it? |
| 04:59.15 | Shawn|Rawr | Hiding game ui is working for me. It might be something else in the trigger |
| 04:59.23 | Fenix | it is working |
| 04:59.30 | Fenix | but try doing Hide hide show |
| 04:59.33 | Fenix | will it show? |
| 05:02.10 | ThunderLord | SC2 Frenzy |
| 05:02.36 | Shawn|Rawr | You're right. It doesnt come back if you hide twice. That could be tricky |
| 05:02.50 | Fenix | this is a bug right? |
| 05:04.55 | Fenix | well, hidding all parts individually works correctly. |
| 05:05.34 | Fenix | ThunderLord are you testing right now? |
| 05:05.41 | Shawn|Rawr | Yea hiding idividually works |
| 05:05.45 | Shawn|Rawr | individually |
| 05:06.37 | Fenix | sweet, so my UI issue is now fixed. |
| 05:06.56 | Fenix | Soon, all my 5 minigames will be fully working for 12 players! |
| 05:09.20 | Fenix | ThunderLord? |
| 05:12.58 | ThunderLord | sup |
| 05:13.31 | ThunderLord | oh |
| 05:13.35 | ThunderLord | im about to test |
| 05:13.39 | ThunderLord | looking for 2 more people |
| 05:13.54 | ThunderLord | so if ur intrested :D |
| 05:15.53 | Fenix | sure |
| 05:16.00 | ThunderLord | horay! |
| 05:16.20 | Fenix | where do i join u |
| 05:16.30 | ThunderLord | u can jump on now, or i can just msg u again once we have our last player |
| 05:16.49 | Fenix | ill start sc now ^^ |
| 05:16.53 | ThunderLord | u can add me, or i can add u either way ThunderLord.963 |
| 05:17.06 | Fenix | ok |
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| 05:26.01 | sharf | ok so...bizarre thing... |
| 05:26.20 | sharf | I have a flame actor, that is on a unit's sword. |
| 05:26.27 | sharf | I have the flame tinted in it's actor events |
| 05:26.54 | sharf | when the unit has a splat on it (like psi storm) the flame returns to it's normal color |
| 05:29.08 | Kueken | parent for the attachment actor? |
| 05:31.47 | sharf | ? |
| 05:32.13 | Kueken | which parent is the attachment actor you used for the flames based on? |
| 05:32.21 | sharf | it is zeratule |
| 05:32.26 | sharf | zeratul* dammit |
| 05:32.53 | Kueken | not the unit actor |
| 05:32.56 | Kueken | the flames |
| 05:33.16 | sharf | oh |
| 05:33.56 | sharf | what do you mean by parent? |
| 05:34.04 | sharf | oh |
| 05:34.06 | sharf | duh sorry |
| 05:34.07 | sharf | lol |
| 05:34.15 | sharf | it is uh |
| 05:34.20 | sharf | modeladdition |
| 05:34.27 | Kueken | thought so |
| 05:34.43 | Kueken | go to Inhertet Properties + |
| 05:34.47 | Taintedwisp | question, Are Quake sounds public domain? Someone just told me they were, but didnt have an actual source can anyone verify this? |
| 05:34.53 | Kueken | and uncheck Tint Color and Loca Tint COlor |
| 05:34.59 | Kueken | *inherited |
| 05:35.16 | Kueken | *Local Tint Color |
| 05:35.31 | Kueken | wisp: no idea |
| 05:36.29 | sharf | yep that did it lol thanks |
| 05:43.47 | Taintedwisp | I mean I wouldnt doubt it, I have seen them in everything near about it, but just curious, if they are I am going to use a few |
| 06:12.53 | Taintedwisp | it got sooo quiet |
| 06:15.57 | Kueken | I like quiet |
| 06:18.17 | JademusSreg | Zooop. |
| 06:19.43 | JademusSreg | Taint: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/LayoutDemo.SC2Map |
| 06:26.02 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 06:26.09 | JademusSreg | Also, hate GUI, ugh. |
| 06:26.22 | Taintedwisp | just run it? |
| 06:26.27 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 06:26.57 | JademusSreg | Also, to see how I did what, look in the Trigger and UI editors. |
| 06:27.28 | Taintedwisp | Cool, but uhh, can you use Gold and Grandmasters? |
| 06:27.35 | JademusSreg | Nothing much special in the trigger shit; using dialog control from template, which points to the custom layout. |
| 06:27.49 | JademusSreg | Yes, -you- can. I just thought those complemented one another. |
| 06:27.54 | Taintedwisp | ahh okie |
| 06:27.55 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:28.17 | JademusSreg | But go to the layout editor and change the textures to what you want. |
| 06:28.22 | Taintedwisp | OHH i thought you had to make an image for it :P))) |
| 06:28.42 | Taintedwisp | layout? |
| 06:28.49 | Taintedwisp | wheres that out |
| 06:28.50 | Taintedwisp | at |
| 06:28.53 | JademusSreg | UI editor. |
| 06:29.31 | JademusSreg | Modules > underneath data triggers terrain ai and such categories. |
| 06:30.07 | JademusSreg | The custom layout will be in green and titled ExampleLayout or somethinfg. |
| 06:30.39 | JademusSreg | Custom layouts cuts out a lot of extranous bullshit with dialog controls, thank goodness. |
| 06:30.55 | JademusSreg | *extraneous |
| 06:31.15 | JademusSreg | Make sense of what you see there, Taint? |
| 06:31.37 | Taintedwisp | not in the least to be honest |
| 06:32.03 | JademusSreg | You see the trigger, right? |
| 06:32.28 | Taintedwisp | I see how it works in the example |
| 06:32.40 | Taintedwisp | But I dont understand how I am going to be able to make it work in mine |
| 06:33.01 | JademusSreg | I don't understand. |
| 06:33.41 | Taintedwisp | Maybe I do understand let me take a look at mine |
| 06:34.43 | Taintedwisp | All of my Create buttons look like this Dialog - Create a button for dialog Character Select Dialog with the dimensions (76, 76) anchored to Top Left with an offset of (50, 106) setting the tooltip to "" with button text "" and the hover image set to "" |
| 06:34.57 | Taintedwisp | but yours doesnt seem to use the offsets or anchors |
| 06:35.35 | JademusSreg | Because I used a different action. |
| 06:35.45 | JademusSreg | Create Dialog Item From Template. |
| 06:36.36 | Taintedwisp | so how would I easily translate it? |
| 06:37.04 | Taintedwisp | I plan on Radically Redoing my Hero Select tomorrow |
| 06:37.28 | Taintedwisp | Using these, and I am going to create images for each hero of their head, and such. |
| 06:37.28 | JademusSreg | Er, by making a custom function that takes the parameters like offset and anchor and handling the dialog item create and stuff from that function? |
| 06:39.26 | Taintedwisp | This is what mine currently looks like |
| 06:39.29 | Taintedwisp | http://pastebin.com/WnffGJr2 |
| 06:40.06 | JademusSreg | Makes my eyes want to hemorrhage. =D |
| 06:40.08 | Taintedwisp | I see how yours works and I see how mine works, I just dont understand how to translate them together |
| 06:40.11 | Taintedwisp | :)) |
| 06:40.28 | Taintedwisp | I suck at triggerering :)) |
| 06:40.54 | Taintedwisp | So I am just trying to get this to work a simple resize of buttons and a new boarder shouldnt be difficult :)) |
| 06:40.57 | sharf | kueken D: |
| 06:41.15 | JademusSreg | By making a custom function that takes the shit you want to do and does it from one call, by taking parameters for offsets, anchors, tinting, and such. |
| 06:41.55 | JademusSreg | I mean, you should never need to repeat yourself in code. If you use the same three actions over and over, makes sense to make a single thing for them. |
| 06:42.01 | Kueken | someone summoned me? |
| 06:42.14 | sharf | followed the tutorial to make the fireball |
| 06:42.23 | sharf | it passes through units and damages them all |
| 06:42.33 | sharf | what did I fuck up? |
| 06:42.35 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I'm not much for the detailed walkthroughs, Taint, but if you have more specific questions, I can answer those. |
| 06:42.36 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 06:42.55 | Kueken | probably forget to include the suicide effect on impact or persistent final |
| 06:43.51 | Kueken | not sure how exactly the tutorial handles it, I use different variations depending on application |
| 06:43.56 | Taintedwisp | Ia m sleepy, I will figure it out tomorrow when I have a clearer head :). Thanks Jademus, I think I know of a way to get it to work I will do some experimentation tomorrow |
| 06:44.20 | sharf | suicide is in the suicide is there |
| 06:44.51 | sharf | at least where it was said to be in the tut |
| 06:45.00 | Kueken | sec, I will take a look |
| 06:45.37 | sharf | got it |
| 06:45.44 | sharf | needed it under the persist final |
| 06:45.48 | sharf | that is not mentioned in the tut |
| 06:46.40 | Kueken | Go to your Fireball Impact - effect and add Fireball Destroy Persistent to the list of effects. |
| 06:46.46 | Kueken | probably forgot that point |
| 06:46.57 | sharf | nope had that :) |
| 06:46.58 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Effects / Create Persistent - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/effects/create-persistent/ |
| 06:47.07 | sharf | it was the persist final in the persistant |
| 06:48.01 | Kueken | well, if you execute the impact effect, and it includes suicide and destroy persistent as well as damage, there is no way for the missile to continue |
| 06:48.26 | sharf | idk man I hardly understand what I did |
| 06:48.33 | sharf | and as is I have to make 2 more levels of it |
| 06:48.34 | Kueken | putting it in the final effect works as well, but it should not be needed for the tutorial |
| 06:48.40 | sharf | but |
| 06:48.42 | sharf | yeah... |
| 06:48.45 | sharf | it didnt stop :P |
| 06:48.50 | sharf | and I followed everything else |
| 06:48.56 | sharf | including your suggestions just now |
| 06:49.09 | Kueken | alright ;) |
| 06:49.27 | Kueken | if it works now, who cares |
| 06:49.38 | sharf | why the fuck does it have to be soo complicated lol |
| 06:49.56 | Kueken | :p |
| 06:50.20 | Kueken | there are more complicated things |
| 06:50.27 | sharf | I mean...what does it do different from say the yamato cannon, just the explosion at the end? |
| 06:50.45 | Kueken | yamato cannon targets a unit |
| 06:50.59 | sharf | ah |
| 06:50.59 | sharf | so |
| 06:51.00 | Kueken | this one targets a point and collides with units in its path |
| 06:51.10 | sharf | yeah alright, I got ya |
| 06:51.12 | ckSynergy | lol wow |
| 06:51.17 | sharf | but still... |
| 06:51.18 | sharf | fuuuuu |
| 06:51.21 | ckSynergy | I remember those days |
| 06:51.31 | ckSynergy | sharf: No offense meant |
| 06:51.40 | sharf | ? |
| 06:51.42 | Kueken | and since blizzard didnt add native support for projectile collision, we are forced into these workarounds |
| 06:51.54 | ckSynergy | just had a nostalgia moment. |
| 06:52.32 | sharf | so... |
| 06:52.47 | sharf | how many of these effects do I need to duplicate for multiple levels? |
| 06:52.49 | sharf | all of them? |
| 06:53.03 | Kueken | depend on how you realize your leveling system |
| 06:53.12 | ckSynergy | Kueken: Thats not exactly fair. Theyres tons of methods for collision |
| 06:53.16 | ckSynergy | *there's |
| 06:53.18 | Kueken | the default way is yes, everything |
| 06:53.27 | sharf | sigh...alright |
| 06:53.28 | sharf | lol |
| 06:53.32 | ckSynergy | ewwwww |
| 06:53.40 | ckSynergy | I perfer switches |
| 06:53.55 | Kueken | I prefer catalog triggers ;) |
| 06:54.02 | ckSynergy | and only duplicate the required effects whos value changes |
| 06:54.04 | Taintedwisp | DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN |
| 06:54.12 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 06:54.23 | ckSynergy | I perfer not to have a 5MB trigger file lol |
| 06:54.32 | ckSynergy | or 50MB |
| 06:54.33 | ckSynergy | whichever |
| 06:54.37 | Kueken | ? |
| 06:55.11 | ckSynergy | You do realize triggers are substancially heavier than data is right? |
| 06:55.42 | Kueken | I use galaxy script, so its a text file |
| 06:55.48 | Kueken | maybe 5 lines per ability? |
| 06:56.00 | Kueken | its nothing |
| 06:56.27 | ckSynergy | If you say so |
| 06:56.34 | Kueken | yep |
| 06:57.16 | ckSynergy | Dont really know how your triggers are set up, so I cant say the weight of them in galaxy script |
| 06:57.26 | ckSynergy | in GUI, I know its pretty heavy |
| 06:57.47 | ckSynergy | I mean, 500KB data == 15MB triggers~ |
| 06:57.53 | Kueken | well, map size hardly matters |
| 06:58.21 | ckSynergy | except for the people downloading it lol |
| 06:58.28 | ckSynergy | or streaming it *cough* |
| 06:58.57 | Kueken | my map scrip is not even 200kb |
| 06:59.09 | Kueken | and its bloated to no end for using galaxy++ |
| 06:59.23 | ckSynergy | wow |
| 06:59.32 | Kueken | and not THAT small |
| 06:59.39 | Kueken | 6k lines of code |
| 06:59.43 | ckSynergy | sec |
| 07:00.04 | ckSynergy | Gonna compare that to gui |
| 07:00.42 | ckSynergy | wow |
| 07:00.44 | Kueken | even gui is not that bad, sure, it might bloat map size a little, but there is no reason to be afraid to use it. |
| 07:01.06 | Kueken | if you dont do stupid things of course |
| 07:01.14 | ckSynergy | Mine has 6k lines of code, and its not showing the current weight, but last I recall its about 4MB uncompressed, 500KB compressed |
| 07:01.41 | Kueken | 0.5mb |
| 07:01.43 | ckSynergy | I'm not afraid to use triggers |
| 07:01.46 | Kueken | thats nothing as well |
| 07:01.59 | ckSynergy | I prefer to use the right tool for the right task |
| 07:02.06 | Kueken | I mean, import one model and you already doubled that ;) |
| 07:02.13 | ckSynergy | No joke -.- |
| 07:02.23 | Kueken | I use data when I think it makes sense |
| 07:02.41 | Kueken | and triggers just for the same reason :P |
| 07:02.50 | Kueken | so far, it worked out |
| 07:03.11 | ckSynergy | Cant fault you there |
| 07:03.51 | Kueken | I like catalogs for leveled abilities because of the easy handling and the auto-updating tooltips |
| 07:05.35 | ckSynergy | auto-updating tooltips? lol |
| 07:06.34 | ckSynergy | Ummmm, you lost me there. Thats built in by default? unless youre referring to something specific? |
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| 07:07.00 | Kueken | well, I add a tooltip to the ability with a data reference, for example to my damage effect |
| 07:07.23 | ckSynergy | right |
| 07:07.30 | Kueken | when I modify the damage effect on levelup, the change in damage is automatically shown in the tooltip |
| 07:07.56 | ckSynergy | Right and? |
| 07:08.11 | Kueken | nothing and, that was what I meant |
| 07:08.21 | ckSynergy | I suppose thats a hair easier than managing it through the button/ability |
| 07:08.34 | Kueken | yep |
| 07:08.44 | Kueken | also I don't like switch effects ;) |
| 07:08.50 | ckSynergy | why not? |
| 07:08.54 | ckSynergy | They're awesome |
| 07:09.31 | Kueken | just personal preference |
| 07:09.34 | ckSynergy | Gotcha |
| 07:09.53 | Kueken | they tend to lose or change certain references for specific actors |
| 07:10.09 | Kueken | usually no big deal |
| 07:10.12 | Kueken | but I hate it |
| 07:10.20 | Kueken | maybe they fixed it by now |
| 07:10.23 | Kueken | dunno |
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| 07:11.09 | ckSynergy | Dunno. Never had a problem with em |
| 07:11.31 | Kueken | :) |
| 07:14.06 | progammer | holy shit transistor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPyD4FuvuOE |
| 07:14.17 | progammer | Logan come back to voice the sword |
| 07:14.23 | progammer | might as well be the narator :) |
| 07:14.48 | Taintedwisp | my map has awesome sauce |
| 07:15.01 | Taintedwisp | and tomorrow it will get an upgraded Hero Select, and some quake sounds |
| 07:17.44 | ckSynergy | cool Tainted |
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| 08:04.03 | progammer | insta wallpaper http://i.imgur.com/BUZlHau.jpg |
| 08:14.03 | JademusSreg | Pretty. |
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| 08:24.29 | twodie | 1235 |
| 08:27.38 | Taintedwisp | DO IT AGAIN PROGAMMER!!!!! |
| 08:27.46 | Taintedwisp | :) very nice |
| 08:28.34 | Taintedwisp | I HAVE A COMPLAINT THOUGH... |
| 08:28.47 | Taintedwisp | WHY THE FUCK DOES THE JPG GET THE EXTRA TERRAIN LEVL |
| 08:28.59 | Taintedwisp | fucking dirty bastards... blizzard gives them more levels :(( |
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| 08:43.51 | reaperguyver | do I need to preset the variables in cases? |
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| 08:49.38 | Kueken | reaperguyver: you mean as in set an initial value? |
| 08:50.32 | reaperguyver | yeah |
| 08:50.37 | reaperguyver | like a variable value |
| 08:50.42 | reaperguyver | I've never used cases before |
| 08:51.12 | A1win | cases can be any value of the switch type |
| 08:51.19 | A1win | *value type of the switch |
| 08:51.25 | reaperguyver | Right. |
| 08:51.48 | reaperguyver | I just don't know if I need to set a variable before hand or if it doesn't matter because i can list them all in the case. |
| 08:52.10 | A1win | what do you mean? |
| 08:52.39 | A1win | a switch is just a simplified if-then-else-if |
| 08:53.40 | A1win | switch (variable) case 1: { } case 2: { } case 3: { } is the same as if (variable == 1) { } else if (variable == 2) { } else if (variable == 3) { } |
| 08:55.01 | reaperguyver | okay. |
| 08:55.04 | reaperguyver | I think I get it. |
| 08:55.19 | reaperguyver | Then.... I don't think I can use a case for this trigger? |
| 08:55.36 | A1win | what is it supposed to do |
| 08:56.25 | reaperguyver | get a triggering unit progress type |
| 08:56.40 | reaperguyver | and it won't let me pull from the list of units in the map just the ones on the map... |
| 08:56.43 | A1win | and do what with it? |
| 08:57.03 | A1win | what? X_x |
| 08:57.25 | JademusSreg | HAha. My compiled list of frame types was only off by two. ScreenSkirmish and SkirmishPanel were stripped from the layout. |
| 08:57.27 | reaperguyver | ummm |
| 08:57.35 | reaperguyver | I don't know how to explain this |
| 08:57.38 | reaperguyver | here. |
| 08:57.41 | reaperguyver | I'll copy paste |
| 08:58.10 | reaperguyver | http://pastebin.com/2PWBcKSj |
| 08:59.06 | reaperguyver | I know the case part is wrong. |
| 08:59.08 | A1win | you are using Triggering progress unit as the switch variable, not the type of the triggering progress unit |
| 08:59.24 | A1win | Switch (Action) depending on (Unit type of (Triggering progress unit)) |
| 08:59.59 | reaperguyver | can't do that |
| 09:00.08 | A1win | why not? |
| 09:00.47 | A1win | in the switch, not in the case |
| 09:00.51 | reaperguyver | Editor won't let me. |
| 09:00.55 | A1win | try again ;p |
| 09:01.01 | reaperguyver | there is no unit type option in the functions... |
| 09:01.05 | reaperguyver | or the preset |
| 09:01.12 | A1win | are you looking at the switch or the case |
| 09:01.34 | A1win | the switch variable defines the type of the switch, it can be of any type |
| 09:01.47 | A1win | after that, the case type depends on the type of that variable |
| 09:02.07 | reaperguyver | I think I am? |
| 09:02.11 | reaperguyver | I have no idea. |
| 09:02.13 | A1win | screenshot |
| 09:03.08 | reaperguyver | I was looking at the case not the switch >.> |
| 09:03.08 | reaperguyver | lol |
| 09:03.23 | A1win | ;p |
| 09:04.43 | reaperguyver | 90% of the time I come in here I'm looking at the wrong thing from the start. |
| 09:04.46 | reaperguyver | but thank you. |
| 09:09.27 | reaperguyver | so could I take 3 events that are different like training progress, construction, and ability with cases to deperate them in one trigger? |
| 09:09.36 | Taintedwisp | GlitteringPrizes |
| 09:09.38 | reaperguyver | *Seperate? |
| 09:09.53 | Taintedwisp | black gold is hard to hold |
| 09:09.58 | Taintedwisp | there is no spoon |
| 09:10.03 | Taintedwisp | all your base are belong to us |
| 09:10.14 | reaperguyver | ^ |
| 09:10.17 | Taintedwisp | Power Overwhelming? |
| 09:10.17 | reaperguyver | I miss that one :( |
| 09:10.22 | reaperguyver | yup |
| 09:10.25 | reaperguyver | that was onw too |
| 09:10.45 | Taintedwisp | lol warcraft 2 and starcraft 1 cheats |
| 09:10.47 | Taintedwisp | :)) |
| 09:11.13 | Taintedwisp | Is It bad I remember those still to this day? |
| 09:11.15 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 09:11.24 | Taintedwisp | tigerlily |
| 09:11.26 | Taintedwisp | orc 5 |
| 09:11.28 | Taintedwisp | :)) |
| 09:11.47 | Taintedwisp | orc 5 was where it started to get fun |
| 09:11.47 | JademusSreg | is making a topic on sc2mapster. |
| 09:12.02 | Taintedwisp | smacks jademusSreg and steals his topic. |
| 09:12.21 | JademusSreg | Hate to do it, but seems I must post about the layout stuff. |
| 09:12.31 | Taintedwisp | :)) |
| 09:12.42 | Taintedwisp | ? what layout stuff? |
| 09:13.09 | JademusSreg | The layout stuff, the stuff I've been researching. |
| 09:13.17 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/kam3r#943 |
| 09:13.44 | Taintedwisp | okay? |
| 09:14.05 | JademusSreg | It's a complete list of which elements are supported by which frames. |
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| 09:14.51 | Taintedwisp | ah cool |
| 09:15.01 | JademusSreg | It tells us, among other things, it should be possible to make self-animating images, that target unit dialog controls can accept smart cast, that sounds can be customized per control, et cetera. |
| 09:15.02 | Taintedwisp | you should not make a topic and just put a section on the wiki :) |
| 09:15.24 | JademusSreg | I sure as hell will not. |
| 09:16.00 | reaperguyver | lol |
| 09:16.02 | Taintedwisp | darn |
| 09:16.20 | JademusSreg | I only begrudgingly post these big lists at all. Certainly not going to go thorugh the chore of formatting them for a damn wiki. |
| 09:16.21 | Taintedwisp | jademusSreg hates wikis :(( |
| 09:16.25 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 09:16.28 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 09:16.29 | Taintedwisp | hahahah |
| 09:17.08 | JademusSreg | And, god forbid, reading inane posts about it. |
| 09:18.41 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
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| 09:21.30 | twodie | Zolden |
| 09:21.31 | twodie | hello |
| 09:21.45 | twodie | do you anyone have problem in snaggy with resizing the image?!?!?! |
| 09:22.21 | Vindicator | why in the heck is there not an event for "points" entering regions |
| 09:23.48 | twodie | http://snag.gy/RgbFK.jpg |
| 09:24.56 | JademusSreg | Points don't move. |
| 09:25.35 | reaperguyver | .... |
| 09:25.35 | reaperguyver | wow |
| 09:26.35 | Zolden | twodie: i never touched their tools, my ps bitch wors fine |
| 09:27.53 | Zolden | twodie: how about to add normals to buildings? they look so abominable |
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| 09:29.18 | twodie | yeah i have made those normals but they not SC2 standard that you made way so / |
| 09:30.08 | twodie | so that may fix the problem too i with the models using them |
| 09:30.48 | Zolden | oh i hope it will |
| 09:32.54 | twodie | But meanwhile need to conquer 20 states in Medieval 2 total war in 69 turns with france |
| 09:37.27 | Zolden | what a noble aim |
| 09:37.28 | reaperguyver | Can you use the data editor or triggers to modify terrain? |
| 09:37.52 | Zolden | reaperguyver: there is a terrain modifier type of actor, and it can do it |
| 09:38.03 | reaperguyver | Awesome. |
| 09:38.13 | Zolden | but it has some properties that make it not too good |
| 09:38.15 | reaperguyver | I hope lol. I'll look into it when I get to it. |
| 09:38.23 | reaperguyver | such as? |
| 09:38.42 | Zolden | if you careate a hill, camera wan't climb it |
| 09:38.52 | Zolden | also unit's height doesn't change |
| 09:38.58 | reaperguyver | I just want it to remove a small chunk of terrain for a few seconds. |
| 09:39.13 | Zolden | also, you don't see the selection circle if unit on that artificial hill |
| 09:39.30 | Zolden | also, you can't add a hill to a hill, the second one will ruin the first ont |
| 09:39.38 | reaperguyver | ouch |
| 09:39.56 | Zolden | maybe you want to hide terrain cerlls instead of modify the landscape? |
| 09:40.26 | Zolden | but these things are good as doodads |
| 09:41.52 | Zolden | oh, and when i said unit's height doesn't change, i didn't mean that he visually doesn't climb it, he does, but it's only actor |
| 09:43.41 | reaperguyver | well I'm trying to figure out how to do this |
| 09:43.52 | reaperguyver | apparently diamond backs do not like doodad bridges |
| 09:44.28 | reaperguyver | So I can either do it as terrain and modify the terrain or just have it switch the doodad later |
| 09:47.32 | Zolden | never experimented with bridges |
| 09:48.13 | reaperguyver | well this is... irritating lol |
| 09:49.57 | JademusSreg | I've tinkered with bridges a bit. |
| 09:50.28 | JademusSreg | They require their footprints are baked into the pathing map, since that's apparently the only way to override the cliff pathing. |
| 09:51.28 | JademusSreg | Unfortunately, bridges can't be made at runtime, unless you don't use Blizz cliffs or otherwise make a system to handle their pathing yourself. |
| 09:52.23 | reaperguyver | yeah I just removed the bridges anyhow. |
| 09:52.39 | reaperguyver | I'll replace it with terrain. which is what they were sitting on anyhow. |
| 09:58.40 | reaperguyver | Also Did hots chance timer window or something? |
| 10:04.46 | JademusSreg | Thar we go. http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/gui/50450-layout-frame-element-support-list/ |
| 10:06.27 | Zolden | I wish I cared about ui and wanted to try these |
| 10:06.42 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 10:07.13 | JademusSreg | No worries, it's a matter of which tool fits the purpose. |
| 10:08.09 | Zolden | magic wand tool fits my purpose the best |
| 10:08.18 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 10:08.30 | JademusSreg | But tolerance only goes so far! |
| 10:09.01 | JademusSreg | Prefer to use magic wand for finding stray pixels. |
| 10:09.24 | Zolden | :) |
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| 10:19.15 | Bommes | JademusSreg: Awesome compilation |
| 10:21.05 | Bommes | Would be awesome to see a couple of screenshots from the standard Game UI or the Blizzard made custom maps with every UI Frame labeled to see which ones they use and what they are for. Does something like this exist? |
| 10:24.03 | Bommes | I should probably read Helrals UI tutorials first though, maybe these answer my questions :P |
| 10:27.13 | JademusSreg | I prefer to dump info over full-blown walkthroughs or tutorials, but for the ingame shit, you can press Ctrl Alt F12 to bring up the UI view. |
| 10:28.12 | JademusSreg | There, you can see both a frame and tree view of the Desc layouts. |
| 10:28.41 | JademusSreg | And, comically enough, those are presented in the layouts, too. |
| 10:29.26 | JademusSreg | DescTreeView is the name of the frame type, iirc. |
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| 10:40.54 | JademusSreg | It always bugged me that you couldn't set the checkbox images. Now I know why. =D |
| 10:41.16 | JademusSreg | Same goes for the other controls. Annoying, but now understood. |
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| 10:52.41 | JademusSreg | Now that I understand layouts better, time to reverse engineer the HotS hero code to make an MUI version. |
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| 11:31.17 | Ahli | http://imgur.com/a/ufczj |
| 11:35.18 | JademusSreg | That. |
| 11:35.23 | JademusSreg | Is. |
| 11:35.27 | JademusSreg | Bad. |
| 11:35.30 | JademusSreg | Ass. |
| 11:35.51 | Ahli | indeed |
| 11:36.24 | JademusSreg | See the infodump in the UI section? Figured you'd wanna share that with the staredit folks. |
| 11:36.56 | JademusSreg | I made minimal effort to format it in a way humans might read comfortably. |
| 11:39.13 | Ahli | "::texture" what does that do? |
| 11:39.28 | JademusSreg | It means it needs to point to a texture file. |
| 11:40.12 | JademusSreg | And that can be done either with a gamestrings key, a localized text key, or with a direct file path. |
| 11:41.41 | JademusSreg | So I was lazy and used a string I knew couldn't possibly work to confirm it was a valid field and that it didn't depend on the asset path being valid to parse. |
| 11:45.54 | JademusSreg | But the highlights to me personally are that Images support animation, they can be enabled by default so you don't need to manually set that shit for dialog controls, UnitModel can be set to disable turning, Model type supports a custom defined Camera that can point to a CameraData or use its own values, the Model element supports both Position and Scale, ListBox types can specify the |
| 11:45.55 | JademusSreg | ItemDesc which means they can define their content type. |
| 11:46.08 | JademusSreg | Well, there's more, but that stuff is quite cool. |
| 11:47.10 | JademusSreg | And figured out what sort of values can be defined by dialog control properties. Which explains why CheckBox and Sliders and such can't be customized, and why Pulldowns bug out. |
| 11:48.07 | Ahli | like we can't create usable buttons with UI? |
| 11:48.16 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 11:48.35 | Ahli | I wasn't able to copy paste an existing button and UI and hook it and use it as a button |
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| 11:48.42 | Ahli | if I remember it correctly |
| 11:49.11 | JademusSreg | Hm. I've only begun to experiment. I made a button for Taint to show him how to use hookups. |
| 11:49.28 | Ahli | that one was working? |
| 11:49.28 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/LayoutDemo.SC2Map |
| 11:49.51 | Ahli | too lazy to download, just require confirmation |
| 11:50.02 | JademusSreg | Note that this is CreateFromTemplate, not hookup. |
| 11:50.30 | JademusSreg | But you might also find this interesting.... |
| 11:50.43 | Ahli | loads map |
| 11:53.53 | JademusSreg | DialogControlHookup(gv_zS_KerriganUITierTemplate, c_triggerControlTypeButton, "BackButton"); |
| 11:54.26 | JademusSreg | They use it a lot. |
| 11:54.48 | Ahli | maybe template usage is required when creating a button in UI |
| 11:55.04 | Ahli | the click sound isn't there :S |
| 11:55.12 | JademusSreg | DialogControlCreateFromTemplate(DialogLastCreated(), c_triggerControlTypePanel, "HotS_KerriganCustomizationPanel/KerriganCustomizationPanelTemplate"); |
| 11:55.21 | JademusSreg | Notice it lacked a descpath? |
| 11:55.28 | JademusSreg | That's because it was made in that panel./ |
| 11:55.30 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 11:56.09 | JademusSreg | See, the campaign some clever shit. |
| 11:56.28 | Ahli | but they still use their ugly way of doing triggers |
| 11:56.45 | JademusSreg | It defines many custom layouts, that don't do anything by themselves, and are effectively filled by the dialog controls. |
| 11:56.52 | JademusSreg | Well, that's autogenerated. |
| 11:57.25 | JademusSreg | Of course it's ugly to prevent namespace/identifier/signature conflicts. =D |
| 11:58.49 | Ahli | no, I mean their way of running everything in triggers |
| 11:59.19 | JademusSreg | Oh, no doubt, but if it were hardcode, it wouldn't be accessible. |
| 12:00.13 | JademusSreg | I suspect they are shifting more toward this approach to navigate around all the extra resources that would otherwise need to go into maintaining the engine, adding lots of new shit that barely gets used. |
| 12:01.48 | JademusSreg | Compare the Mercenary feature, thoroughly entrenched into the layouts, galaxy api, and served by the hardcode, to the HotS army customization feature, entirely triggered from what I see. |
| 12:03.37 | Ahli | I mean that Blizzard uses triggers for things they could put into action definitions |
| 12:04.24 | JademusSreg | Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's certainly messy garbage, haha. |
| 12:04.57 | JademusSreg | Anyway, having explored the layout primitives, I'm interested in application and experimentation, starting with making Kubi's much desired MUI HotS hero panels. |
| 12:05.04 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 12:05.16 | Ahli | at least they triggered one of kerrigans abilities :D |
| 12:10.06 | Ahli | hmm, why did they make their "Deselect unit" action as they did in ZChar01 :S |
| 12:11.14 | Ahli | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.26 | Ahli | every check within its own if-then-else |
| 12:12.06 | Ahli | ok, it's compiled and included code that isn't even used... |
| 12:14.00 | Ahli | I think the maker finally came to the conclusion that he can just deselect the unit without doing 2 checks in a function call... |
| 12:18.33 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 12:22.17 | JademusSreg | Haha, DebugAchievement. TriggerAddEventChatMessage(ZS_DebugAchievement_Trig, c_playerAny, "-dach", true); |
| 12:24.23 | JademusSreg | Ugh, this code is dreadful. D= |
| 12:24.39 | JademusSreg | I mean, clearly it can afford to be, but still. |
| 12:29.30 | JademusSreg | I see some clever use of TriggerQueueEnter/Exit |
| 12:30.15 | Ahli | where? |
| 12:30.26 | JademusSreg | In SwarmCampaignLib.galaxy |
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| 12:31.28 | Ahli | in which uhhh category? |
| 12:31.33 | JademusSreg | Though to be fair, I hardly see it used anyway. But it's a good way to avoid holding up a thread. |
| 12:31.54 | JademusSreg | I dunno. I look in the script, so I know not of these categories. |
| 12:32.05 | Ownage | how can I get the amount of charges on an ability w/o using dummy buffs |
| 12:32.23 | JademusSreg | Did they ever add a charge validator? |
| 12:32.36 | Ownage | nvm I figured out a better way, just waking up :) |
| 12:32.40 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 12:33.05 | Ownage | they already correspond with non dummy buffs |
| 12:33.10 | Ownage | derp |
| 12:33.28 | Ahli | in which function do they use that? |
| 12:34.03 | JademusSreg | Several. |
| 12:34.25 | JademusSreg | ZS_PlayerNeedOverlord, for example. |
| 12:39.47 | Ownage | is there a quick way to convert real to negative or do I need to subtract twice its value |
| 12:39.59 | JademusSreg | *-1 |
| 12:40.14 | Ownage | in the jewie |
| 12:40.18 | Ahli | :D |
| 12:40.44 | Ownage | or that *-1 haha |
| 12:40.46 | Kueken | Ownage: how can I get the amount of charges on an ability w/o using dummy buffs |
| 12:40.49 | Ahli | what the heck is the action queue? |
| 12:40.50 | Kueken | in a trigger? |
| 12:41.10 | Ownage | Kueken, why you ask |
| 12:41.24 | Ownage | also Kueken you know something that saved me some time |
| 12:41.31 | Ownage | charges used = -1 |
| 12:41.34 | Ahli | is that just something like put these actions in a new trigger and execute it? |
| 12:41.45 | JademusSreg | Ahli, if I understand it correctly, pretty much. |
| 12:41.52 | Ownage | Ahli, it's just a queue |
| 12:42.04 | Ownage | you can say do all these 500 things, and the pause it and start it back up again |
| 12:42.19 | Ownage | I looked into it when I was trying to see if it supported priorites |
| 12:43.18 | Ahli | are they executed after the currently running threads? or before? |
| 12:43.39 | Ahli | or inbetween calling trigger and remaining threads for that game loop? |
| 12:44.00 | Ownage | I'm guessing it's done in the same manner trigger control is |
| 12:44.15 | Ownage | I think it's just a way to control items without calling a specific trigger |
| 12:44.23 | Ownage | so you can add and subtract items to it from other triggers |
| 12:44.32 | Ownage | my guess is internally it's a trigger for all purposes |
| 12:44.44 | Ownage | aka one thread |
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| 12:45.13 | Bounty | :) |
| 12:45.23 | JademusSreg | Pew. |
| 12:45.27 | Zolden | (:) |
| 12:47.24 | Kueken | ( * ) ( . ) |
| 12:48.20 | Bounty | So, the trailer def got a few peoples attention |
| 12:48.29 | Bounty | We had a few new players last night lol |
| 12:48.32 | Bounty | Not many but hey |
| 12:48.42 | Bounty | The video only has like 45 views though... dont know wtf is going on |
| 12:48.58 | Zolden | lemme see it |
| 12:49.14 | Kueken | put it up on reddit or something if you need views :) |
| 12:49.20 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD5WxUN1bGo |
| 12:49.22 | Ahli | and 2 or 3 of those views came from me :D |
| 12:49.35 | Bounty | Liked it Ahli? |
| 12:49.37 | Ahli | yesterday? no then not |
| 12:49.43 | Ahli | then this is my first one |
| 12:51.15 | Bounty | Not only is it epic as shit imo but i think it showcases how responsive the controls are (for my atleast) because i'm doing some crazy dodging/blocking lol |
| 12:51.38 | Zolden | Bounty: you change camera angle of view while playing? |
| 12:51.50 | Bounty | when you sprint it changes yes |
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| 12:52.51 | zenxu | whats up |
| 12:53.05 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD5WxUN1bGo thats whats up zenxu |
| 12:53.12 | JademusSreg | Haha. SwarmCampaignLib.galaxy has a cute little trigger called FootageRecording. |
| 12:53.39 | zenxu | I actually saw that earlier |
| 12:53.44 | zenxu | I think its ugly |
| 12:53.46 | zenxu | might be fun |
| 12:53.52 | zenxu | but definetly ugly |
| 12:54.03 | Bounty | ugly? |
| 12:54.07 | Zolden | JademusSreg: what footagerecording means? |
| 12:54.26 | Kueken | it has a certain eyecancer factor |
| 12:54.30 | zenxu | photon discs was beatifully colored with blue and black |
| 12:54.32 | Kueken | but its part of the style |
| 12:54.33 | zenxu | that looks like vomit |
| 12:54.34 | JademusSreg | It checks if the cheat category Development is activated, then does a bunch of shit. |
| 12:54.52 | Kueken | I don't mind the looks |
| 12:55.20 | Kueken | JademusSreg: you use shit an awful lot today |
| 12:55.39 | Bounty | I assume you're referring to the colored walls etc zenxu |
| 12:56.09 | zenxu | yes and dunno if lighting does it any favor either |
| 12:56.14 | zenxu | but dunno if that really even matters |
| 12:56.33 | zenxu | if its fun dont really care even if I dont like colors |
| 12:56.36 | Ahli | color explosion, that new mechanic isn't shown... just "pew pew" with a lot of randomly appearing things... greed seems to make green balls |
| 12:57.10 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 12:57.10 | Ahli | and random dude smashing ground appearing out of nowhere creates balls |
| 12:57.16 | Bounty | People dont watch a video to learn how a game works lol |
| 12:57.17 | Kueken | sounds very diablo 3 |
| 12:57.32 | Bounty | You get there attention with teh pew pew |
| 12:57.35 | Bounty | their* |
| 12:58.10 | Zolden | Kueken: what do you do in real life? |
| 12:58.49 | Bounty | Ever notice all of my games get nothing but negative comments when they first come out JademusSreg? lol |
| 12:59.05 | Kueken | study electrical engineering |
| 12:59.07 | Kueken | why? |
| 12:59.20 | Zolden | I thought you're a scoientist |
| 12:59.53 | zenxu | I stil lhavent gotten hots |
| 12:59.57 | zenxu | and I probly never will |
| 12:59.59 | Zolden | noob |
| 13:00.02 | Bounty | i dont plan to |
| 13:00.05 | JademusSreg | From what I can tell, FootageRecording was intended to hookup with some other shit. Doesn't do much by itself. |
| 13:00.14 | zenxu | anything new In hots arcade? probly not yet atleast |
| 13:00.21 | Bounty | I'm not spending 40 bucks just for some assets and physics |
| 13:00.25 | Kueken | it has Ragdolls! |
| 13:00.30 | Kueken | reason enough for me |
| 13:00.36 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure it can be implemented in WoL. |
| 13:00.38 | Bounty | No reason you NEED hots for the physics |
| 13:00.41 | Bounty | Just a money grab |
| 13:00.45 | Kueken | :D |
| 13:00.59 | JademusSreg | The trick is to port the supporting data. |
| 13:01.07 | zenxu | you could take photon discs to another level with ragdoll physics |
| 13:01.17 | Kueken | JademusSreg: The trick is to port the supporting data. |
| 13:01.34 | Kueken | if someone reports it, Blizzard will take down your map though |
| 13:01.43 | Bounty | I wanted to put ragdoll in Synergy zenxu |
| 13:01.51 | JademusSreg | Naw, zen, wouldn't work, as the actors are asynchronous. Can't push back unit position data. |
| 13:01.51 | Bounty | Till i saw that i cant do it without Hots |
| 13:02.13 | Zolden | can't bnet automatically check if a map uses hots stuff? |
| 13:02.15 | JademusSreg | Kueken, obviously one should only port data as a proof of concept, silly. |
| 13:02.38 | Kueken | launching units as missiles works quite well to get physics-like knockbacks |
| 13:02.38 | JademusSreg | But it's mostly the actors and possibly the physics materials that need the support. |
| 13:02.54 | Kueken | at least way better than force effects + height change behaviors |
| 13:02.55 | JademusSreg | Missiles have movers. |
| 13:03.00 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 13:03.15 | zenxu | btw its legacy of void gona require wold and hots too? |
| 13:03.20 | JademusSreg | But combining the two could be interesting. |
| 13:03.42 | Ahli | I tried that to replace the trigger move because of the missile cancellations... it was terrible in my case :D |
| 13:03.59 | Ahli | most likely |
| 13:04.01 | Kueken | yes, I heard. |
| 13:04.09 | Kueken | I want SetUnitX/Y back! |
| 13:04.10 | Bounty | LoV will require WoL, HoTS, Diablo 3 and an active WoW subscription. |
| 13:04.17 | zenxu | haha |
| 13:04.34 | Kueken | and all Hearthstone cards! |
| 13:04.35 | zenxu | dont forget buying booster backs in heartfire is also required |
| 13:04.46 | zenxu | or stone |
| 13:04.47 | zenxu | whatever |
| 13:04.48 | zenxu | :D |
| 13:04.48 | Bounty | You will need the console version of Diablo 3 in addition to the PC aswell |
| 13:04.51 | Bounty | So, get on that guys |
| 13:05.11 | Ahli | I imagine that d3 on console would be better than d3 on computers |
| 13:05.15 | Kueken | not to mention the 2 diablo addons that will be released before LotV |
| 13:05.17 | zenxu | me2 |
| 13:05.27 | JademusSreg | Anyway, point being that I see a substantial difference in the WoL and HotS actor data and enough overlap to suggest that it's the supporting data that impairs implementing physics in WoL, and I suspect that can be fixed. |
| 13:05.27 | zenxu | just because |
| 13:05.34 | zenxu | they have done quite many improvements on d3 |
| 13:05.35 | Ahli | no auction house? :D |
| 13:05.46 | JademusSreg | Eventually, I may find time to test it. =D |
| 13:06.06 | Bounty | There are ragdoll physics actors in my WoL editor |
| 13:06.09 | Bounty | Just no models |
| 13:06.15 | Bounty | Which is horse shit |
| 13:06.22 | Kueken | didn't WoL actually have all the actor stuff for physics and just calls some "PhysicsCancel" actor message or something? |
| 13:06.33 | Kueken | I remember someone writing something similar |
| 13:06.39 | Bounty | They are there |
| 13:07.36 | twodie | Im back from great conquest |
| 13:08.07 | zenxu | you got laid? |
| 13:08.10 | JademusSreg | Well, if someone would like to save me the trouble of testing it, by all means. =D |
| 13:08.20 | twodie | zenxu NEVER! |
| 13:08.46 | zenxu | what did you conquest |
| 13:09.38 | Bounty | You know, you would think Blizzard would have seriously considered giving the HoTS assets to everyone for free, so there would be more HoTS required arcade games which MIGHT increase sales abit |
| 13:10.00 | Bounty | There are like none atm, and there wont be any lol |
| 13:10.44 | Kueken | so you are saying by giving hots even less unique content it will sell more? |
| 13:10.48 | zenxu | I wouldnt really map even if I had hots for free |
| 13:10.52 | zenxu | the arcade feels too stale |
| 13:11.01 | zenxu | Im so bored of seeing same top10 maps for 2 years |
| 13:11.04 | Ahli | there are some because people complained that Blizzard locked their favorite arcade maps |
| 13:11.05 | twodie | Medieval 2 total war took with france 8 turns full of action. |
| 13:11.35 | Bounty | Blizz didnt lock it, the map maker did imo Ahli |
| 13:11.43 | Bounty | Only an idiot would make their map HoTS right now |
| 13:11.44 | Ahli | I'm aware of that |
| 13:11.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 13:12.19 | Bounty | Unit Preloader did, could very well be the most idiotic thing ever. Why wouldnt you just make a seperate version called "Unit Preloader HoTS"? |
| 13:12.37 | Bounty | dERP |
| 13:12.41 | Kueken | or someone who doesn't care about popularity and just likes the new features :D |
| 13:13.03 | JademusSreg | I intend to play the campaign. Don't see much use in using the dependencies, though. |
| 13:13.16 | Bounty | If you have a community of people who play your game its your duty to not screw them over like that lol |
| 13:13.55 | Kueken | well, if you dont care about popularity, you most likely dont have a community ;) |
| 13:14.21 | Bounty | Thats diff, nobody is talking about those games |
| 13:14.33 | Bounty | Prolly bc nobody plays them |
| 13:14.47 | Bounty | like Tofu |
| 13:15.04 | Bounty | Tofu should upgrade to HoTS because... well why the hell not? |
| 13:15.31 | Bounty | Been featured for a few days and still has no players lol |
| 13:16.25 | JademusSreg | Haha, Tofu is fun as hell. Though last game, I was exceedingly intoxicated, and haven't been invited to play since. |
| 13:16.29 | Bounty | Dogmai should really just erase all of those How to Play screenshots, i'd rather read the Bible than all those crap |
| 13:16.45 | Bounty | You talking about when we played JademusSreg? |
| 13:16.45 | Dogmai | yea |
| 13:16.47 | Dogmai | i waw planning to |
| 13:16.51 | Dogmai | was* |
| 13:17.32 | Bounty | also, no screenshots of in game? 2-3 years development and you couldnt take 2 or 3 pictures? lol |
| 13:17.56 | Dogmai | I purposely didnt want it |
| 13:18.01 | Bounty | Just some pink fetus inside a vagina doing a kamehameha? |
| 13:18.03 | Dogmai | to not let people know what they were playing |
| 13:18.13 | Dogmai | at the moment we are talking abut ugprading to hots |
| 13:18.15 | Dogmai | and when |
| 13:18.17 | Dogmai | cause we need the asset |
| 13:18.19 | Dogmai | assets |
| 13:18.27 | Dogmai | the next patch from dry will be hots |
| 13:18.35 | Bounty | It looks like i'm about to play "Rave, the game" |
| 13:18.36 | Dogmai | at the moment I am patching the game, keeping it in wol |
| 13:18.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 13:19.04 | Bounty | What are you using from hots? |
| 13:19.08 | Bounty | physics? |
| 13:22.17 | JademusSreg | Neato. EditorHidden flag in the catalog data. |
| 13:25.47 | Ahli | what? :D |
| 13:26.22 | JademusSreg | HotS overrides some stuff. |
| 13:26.27 | JademusSreg | Hides old entries. |
| 13:26.40 | JademusSreg | Agria is replaced by AgriaEx1. |
| 13:26.56 | JademusSreg | Et cetera |
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| 13:28.45 | Ownage | ok I think I'm pretty much stumped now |
| 13:29.06 | Ownage | I have come I think to the bounds of my troubleshooting on this and could use some help |
| 13:29.31 | JademusSreg | It uses Agria's lighting and texture prop and new cliffs. |
| 13:29.54 | Ownage | I have two units. unit A has custom values which track how many charges his dummy abilities have. Unit B I want to set his charges to be the same as unit A |
| 13:30.14 | Ownage | I have verified in several ways that the data is as I expect it to be |
| 13:30.35 | Ownage | however only one of the buttons actually upgrades to the correct value |
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| 13:30.59 | Ownage | is there some way the values in the data editor can be misrepresenting or wrong |
| 13:31.45 | Ownage | the charge links are correct, the abilities are correct |
| 13:31.59 | Ownage | the custom values are correct and I'm using the exact same method for all buttons |
| 13:32.06 | JademusSreg | New cliff meshes, same materials. |
| 13:32.19 | Ownage | all the buttons are the same and the ability charge parameters are the same |
| 13:32.34 | JademusSreg | Do agria cliffs look differently in HotS? I suspect they added physics to them. =D |
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| 13:33.15 | JademusSreg | Own, what's the scope of the links? |
| 13:33.47 | JademusSreg | Global, Player, Unit, Ability? (I may be making some of these up, I forget.) |
| 13:34.26 | Ownage | unit |
| 13:34.40 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 13:34.55 | JademusSreg | Pastebin the xml? =D |
| 13:35.19 | Ownage | basically 3 out of 4 buttons are permanently at 1 charge |
| 13:35.29 | Ownage | the 4th one works exactly how I would want |
| 13:35.43 | Ownage | xml of the abilities? |
| 13:36.06 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 13:36.08 | twodie | JademusSreg new Natural cliffs are made that their edge is more sharppen and it looks much better than we have in WoL. |
| 13:36.31 | Fen1kz | own, did you checked cooldown/charge links? |
| 13:36.47 | Fen1kz | they're not updating when u duplicate |
| 13:37.58 | Ownage | here's the thing |
| 13:37.59 | JademusSreg | twod, yeah, that's sexy, however I wonder if they are also involved in the physics to a minor extent. |
| 13:38.24 | Ownage | the same abilities exist on unit A and I use those charge links to increase charges there, and that works fine |
| 13:38.31 | Fen1kz | does anyone know how to make effect not apply behavior if it's already applied? except validators, because making validator for each behavior.. |
| 13:39.07 | Ownage | make the period longer than the duration is one way :) |
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| 13:40.29 | Fen1kz | huh, they dont have period, its player ability and i dont want it to reapply |
| 13:40.41 | Fen1kz | *even reapply |
| 13:41.11 | Ownage | turns out like I thought |
| 13:41.14 | JademusSreg | Always start from the design, not the implementation. Otherwise everyone just guesses what you intend for it to do/. |
| 13:41.23 | JademusSreg | *Fen |
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| 13:41.40 | Ownage | this fucking piece of shit data panel is lying |
| 13:41.47 | Fen1kz | o0 |
| 13:42.10 | Dogmai | so who was bitching at me before |
| 13:42.22 | Dogmai | Bounty: go look at tofu now |
| 13:42.25 | Dogmai | i stole screenshots O_O |
| 13:42.35 | Ownage | wow what a piece of crap |
| 13:43.13 | Ownage | there's only one difference between the one that works and all the others |
| 13:43.19 | Ownage | on the front end they are identical |
| 13:43.27 | Ownage | but in xml view I see the difference |
| 13:43.41 | Fen1kz | Jade, it works with "behavior count" validator, but im too lazy for making that validators, and asked mb anyone knows easier way :P |
| 13:43.45 | Ownage | the one that works says <Charge CountMax="2000" CountStart="1" CountUse="-1"/> |
| 13:44.33 | Ownage | and the others say <Charge><CountMax value="2000"/><CountStart value="1"/><CountUse value="-1"/>... |
| 13:44.48 | Fen1kz | wow |
| 13:45.31 | Fen1kz | xml view > all |
| 13:46.10 | Ownage | ok let's see if it actually fixes now |
| 13:46.33 | JademusSreg | Fen, I don't actually know what you're talking about, but it appears you're making a point about counting behaviors? |
| 13:48.15 | Fen1kz | Jade, i have an effect that applies behavior for ~5 seconds. And i want no one try to reapply that behavior while it is on the unit. |
| 13:48.48 | JademusSreg | So you want to validate the target. |
| 13:48.55 | Fen1kz | yea |
| 13:49.10 | JademusSreg | And one uses a validator to validate a target. |
| 13:49.31 | Fen1kz | and looks like create validator for each behavior is only one right way |
| 13:49.41 | JademusSreg | How many behaviors have you got? |
| 13:50.07 | Fen1kz | not so many, i just feel that its wrong by design |
| 13:50.29 | Fen1kz | nevermind so, u're right, use validator for validating is ok |
| 13:52.22 | JademusSreg | Future reference, it's best to start with an explanation of the design, rather than an issue one has with the implementation, in case one's approach is problematic. |
| 13:53.08 | JademusSreg | And also to make clear how its supposed to behave and how its not. |
| 13:53.31 | Fen1kz | im sorry, thats problem with my english =( |
| 13:53.55 | JademusSreg | No worries. |
| 14:01.09 | Ahli | yay, fixed my duped item counter o0 |
| 14:01.59 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:04.28 | Bounty | So i submitted a text post on reddit... now what? I dont see it? |
| 14:07.11 | Ownage | if you run a for i in 0 to -1 step 1 will it make an endless loop or not run? |
| 14:07.23 | Kubi | You know whats funny |
| 14:07.24 | Kubi | is why |
| 14:07.28 | Kubi | do we have a open project? |
| 14:07.32 | Kubi | Where like |
| 14:07.34 | Kubi | 4-5 of us |
| 14:07.38 | Kubi | make some sort of project |
| 14:07.40 | Deaod | Bounty, depending on the subreddit you submitted it to its in a moderation queue |
| 14:08.01 | Kubi | because one, we can push out custom maps for b.net |
| 14:08.07 | Kubi | two, get them done faster |
| 14:09.11 | Kubi | and three the community learns |
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| 14:10.47 | Kubi | annnnnddd nobody gives a fuck. |
| 14:11.41 | twodie | hnmmm |
| 14:11.57 | twodie | anyone knows where to find new features of Computer players in action |
| 14:17.23 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 14:18.55 | Kubi | Whats the method for auras? |
| 14:19.22 | Kubi | Search area and unlimited periodic persistant that applies a short duration buff |
| 14:19.27 | JademusSreg | Ah, pretty straight forward. |
| 14:19.34 | Kubi | What |
| 14:19.38 | JademusSreg | Naw, that's insane. |
| 14:20.17 | Ownage | search which applies behavior based on validation that it doesn't have it already + ally or whatever |
| 14:20.26 | Ownage | and the behavior buffs |
| 14:20.27 | Ownage | ?? |
| 14:21.06 | Ownage | trying to remember how mine works |
| 14:21.25 | JademusSreg | Aura source Buff behavior : Periodic effect > Search Area effect : Area : effect > Apply Behavior effect : effect > Aura target Buff behavior where the duration matches or exceeds the source period, and both should have Global time scale |
| 14:21.27 | Ownage | oh right it adds a buff with duration of .6 while it's period is .5 |
| 14:21.59 | Ownage | that will make it so when you leave area it will expire in my case in .1 |
| 14:22.22 | Ownage | at least and .6 at most I suppose |
| 14:23.39 | Kubi | Yeah I thought so |
| 14:23.48 | Kubi | Does it have big performance hits? |
| 14:23.55 | Ownage | no |
| 14:24.00 | Kubi | good |
| 14:24.23 | Ownage | I have had hundreds of units going in and out of several auras on the same map at all random times and didn't see any change at all |
| 14:24.41 | Ownage | even with impact actors |
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| 14:49.41 | twodie | Zolden what gives glow in 3ds for models? |
| 14:50.03 | Zolden | higher specularity |
| 14:50.16 | Zolden | increase spec multiplier |
| 14:50.21 | Zolden | of the material |
| 14:51.07 | twodie | will try |
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| 15:05.41 | Kubi | Zoldens hero glow is better than blizzard |
| 15:05.45 | Kubi | blizzard's is WAAAYYY tooo weak |
| 15:10.10 | Kubi | ATOMS ARE THE PIXELS OF REAL LIFE |
| 15:12.23 | Kubi | Warfield loves nukes |
| 15:12.27 | Kubi | so I have to use that |
| 15:19.33 | Ownage | I've added some text values, how can I use them? |
| 15:20.01 | Ownage | preferably I want to assign them to variable |
| 15:20.11 | Kubi | Text Variable? |
| 15:20.20 | Ownage | how do I reference it |
| 15:20.46 | Kubi | Uh, by the variable |
| 15:20.58 | Ownage | .. |
| 15:21.04 | Ownage | set variable = ______ |
| 15:21.19 | Ownage | how do I make that be the text value I have created in the text module |
| 15:22.27 | Ownage | alternatively, do formulas work in text variables |
| 15:23.29 | Ownage | oh, they do |
| 15:23.33 | Ownage | nvm I'll do it that way |
| 15:24.56 | Ownage | any of you guys live in china or will be there soon? |
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| 15:26.28 | Bibendus | finally fixed irc :P |
| 15:27.58 | Zolden | breaks Bibendus' irc |
| 15:28.05 | Bibendus | aw not again |
| 15:28.07 | Bibendus | ! |
| 15:31.44 | Ownage | am I on crack or what.. how do you convert from text to string |
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| 15:38.32 | Kubi | So I have a unit that when a missile is fired at it, the missile stops and never hits and freezes |
| 15:38.35 | Kubi | Anyone know how to fix |
| 15:40.12 | JademusSreg | That's pretty cool. |
| 15:40.45 | A1win | a gun that shoots tiny banelings that stick to you and detonate when an ability is used |
| 15:41.09 | A1win | you can get rid of them by running around like a headless chicken |
| 15:52.59 | Lajjla | A1win: KAIKIN PYHIN, NÄETKÖ TUOTA VIHOLLISTA TUOLLA? |
| 15:53.22 | Lajjla | A1win: is that an appropriate translation? |
| 15:54.00 | A1win | I don't even know what it's a translation of x_x |
| 15:54.24 | Lajjla | "BY ALL THAT IS HOLY, DO YOU SEE THAT ENEMY OVER THERE?' of course |
| 15:54.25 | Kubi | Great |
| 15:54.29 | Kubi | Precursor units |
| 15:54.31 | Kubi | dont spawn again |
| 15:54.58 | Lajjla | A1win: particularly the 'kaikin pyhin', I'm not sure if you can use it like that. |
| 15:55.01 | A1win | you can't translate the first part |
| 15:55.09 | Lajjla | Yeah, thought so. |
| 15:55.26 | Lajjla | And kaikilla pyhillä? |
| 15:55.42 | A1win | it's an idiom, it just doesn't exist like that in the language |
| 15:56.12 | Lajjla | It's not an idiom in English, it's literal. |
| 15:56.20 | Lajjla | AT least, how Kormac uses it. |
| 15:56.29 | A1win | err not idiom, "saying" or something |
| 15:56.31 | Lajjla | I'm pretty sure he literally means 'by all that is holy' the way he talks. |
| 15:56.50 | Lajjla | With his constant crusade against evil and defending the holy stuff. |
| 15:56.52 | A1win | expression/phrase |
| 15:58.11 | A1win | there's just no translation for "by" in that sense, it would have to be expressed in a completely different way |
| 16:00.36 | A1win | in finnish one would probably just use one of our many colorful swearwords rather than something like that ;p |
| 16:12.46 | Kubi | found this issue |
| 16:12.52 | Kubi | I guess if a hitbox is under the terrain |
| 16:12.54 | Kubi | and a missile fires at it |
| 16:12.56 | Kubi | it gets stuck |
| 16:14.45 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 16:15.13 | JademusSreg | Makes sense, though some movers may ignore terrain. |
| 16:18.33 | Kubi | eh, I rather have it move up .4 and make it hittable than modifying all the movers |
| 16:18.43 | Kubi | not the intended effect buts its not bad either |
| 16:20.53 | JademusSreg | dissects the hots hero panel code. |
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| 16:28.48 | Fenix | Sometimes when I load my map I get: Orphaned trigger parameter removed from Parameter Value 'Unknown' (Parameter Value, DE536DB9, Lib: 0) What does it means? |
| 16:29.44 | Kubi | Do spell power behavior increase - increase on buffs provided by the caster? |
| 16:30.07 | A1win | Fenix, that's just some cleanup it does, so that it doesn't need to do it on runtime and slow down the editor |
| 16:30.17 | A1win | you can just ignore it |
| 16:30.33 | Kubi | I rather not |
| 16:30.52 | A1win | I'm not talking to you o: |
| 16:31.06 | Kubi | Fuck you |
| 16:31.07 | Kubi | homo |
| 16:31.07 | A1win | unless you replied to the cleanup thing |
| 16:31.08 | A1win | ;p |
| 16:31.10 | Kubi | Wheres |
| 16:31.12 | Kubi | Deletarius |
| 16:31.35 | Fenix | kk |
| 16:31.59 | Fenix | what would cause that? |
| 16:32.09 | A1win | copying/pasting in the trigger editor most likely |
| 16:32.23 | A1win | maybe even just deleting stuff in it |
| 16:32.23 | Fenix | i c |
| 16:32.30 | Fenix | ok |
| 16:32.30 | A1win | or changing values, dunno |
| 16:32.39 | A1win | normal use of trigger editor either way |
| 16:33.01 | A1win | it always happens to me and I haven't noticed it breaking anything |
| 16:33.19 | Fenix | until its just with positive effect, I'm fine with it. |
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| 16:33.36 | JademusSreg | Kubi, maybe? Spell damage factors would apply to any damage source that can trace its way back ot the caster. |
| 16:33.43 | JademusSreg | *source |
| 16:33.47 | Kubi | ahh k |
| 16:34.18 | JademusSreg | And orphaned trigger errors are known to be caused by using Undo. |
| 16:34.20 | Kubi | I have a hero that places a charge, that when leveled up the charge gets spell power buff when activated |
| 16:34.32 | Kubi | and applies buffs to enemies |
| 16:35.57 | JademusSreg | Do the buffs deal Spell type damage? |
| 16:37.57 | Fenix | undo doesn't delete correctly the trigger in the code so next time you load the map it deletes it? |
| 16:38.19 | JademusSreg | Probably. At the very least,. it must be leaving some garbage in the xml. |
| 16:41.00 | twodie | JademusSreg buffs deal damage which you set it what to be? |
| 16:41.22 | JademusSreg | I can't parse that question well. |
| 16:41.37 | JademusSreg | But buffs can deal damage, by way of effects. |
| 16:42.34 | twodie | well i think buff can deal damage to what you set to be like splash spell melee and soon? |
| 16:42.38 | twodie | 615 |
| 16:43.11 | twodie | 81566153 |
| 16:43.12 | twodie | . |
| 16:43.12 | twodie | 10 |
| 16:43.13 | twodie | asd |
| 16:43.14 | JademusSreg | Er |
| 16:48.18 | Ownage | I have a text variable, how can I use its rendered value in a string |
| 16:48.37 | JademusSreg | Text is a one way conversion. |
| 16:48.44 | JademusSreg | String can be made text, but not back. |
| 16:49.09 | Ownage | and strings can't have field references? |
| 16:49.34 | JademusSreg | They can, they just don't do anything until turned into text. |
| 16:49.46 | Ownage | I'm trying to set a tooltip of a button, which takes string |
| 16:49.53 | JademusSreg | But GUI users don't usually get raw strings. |
| 16:50.36 | JademusSreg | Tooltip property is Text type. |
| 16:51.29 | Ownage | Set value of Catalog Entry Field Path for player () to "" -> string |
| 16:51.37 | JademusSreg | Ahh. |
| 16:51.41 | Ownage | is there another way to set a button tooltip |
| 16:51.56 | JademusSreg | I see what you mean. |
| 16:52.19 | Ownage | because right now I have an array with nice data references in it but I can't use it how I wish |
| 16:52.45 | JademusSreg | While a (data) button tooltip is usually a text key pointing to an external string, if the key value is invalid (doesn't point to an external string) it displays the key instead. |
| 16:53.43 | JademusSreg | So format a string with a data reference and stick it in there, there markup should parse correctly. |
| 16:53.53 | Ownage | it works |
| 16:53.57 | Ownage | but I want to change it |
| 16:54.06 | Ownage | setting the default works fine |
| 16:54.56 | JademusSreg | You just need to put together a string containing the markup for a data reference. |
| 16:55.27 | Ownage | so change the array type to string |
| 16:55.36 | JademusSreg | Uh. |
| 16:55.37 | JademusSreg | You |
| 16:55.41 | Ownage | and then use that and the data reference will work in the catalog? |
| 16:55.48 | JademusSreg | You'll lose a lot, fair warning. |
| 16:55.56 | JademusSreg | Well, not lose, exactly. |
| 16:56.15 | JademusSreg | But changing the type means all the variable set actions will need to be fixed. |
| 16:56.36 | JademusSreg | It should, yes. |
| 16:56.51 | JademusSreg | You're familiar with the markup tags for data references, yes? |
| 16:57.03 | Ownage | yeah |
| 16:57.13 | Ownage | fyi all I had to do was click the value and hit ok again |
| 16:57.19 | JademusSreg | So it should go smoothly. |
| 16:57.27 | Ownage | change type to string, the value is still there but of course text, wrong |
| 16:57.35 | Ownage | in this case just clicking the value and hitting ok reformats it |
| 16:57.43 | JademusSreg | Haha, I didn't give GUI enough credit there. |
| 16:57.47 | Ownage | by removing the rendered value and inserting the raw reference |
| 16:57.50 | Ownage | ^^ |
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| 16:59.55 | asdff | hey |
| 16:59.58 | asdff | can anyone help me? |
| 17:00.10 | asdff | i changed a spell to point/unit |
| 17:00.20 | asdff | and now it doesn't apply chill on foes |
| 17:00.30 | asdff | how do i freeze enemies |
| 17:01.52 | JademusSreg | Update the target location references in the next step of the effect tree. |
| 17:02.46 | JademusSreg | Or if you changed the effects themselves, remember to update the actor references. |
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| 17:14.22 | JademusSreg | Hey Kubi, how many heroes do you want this to support per player? |
| 17:14.57 | Ownage | any idea how to use charge link variables in gui? |
| 17:15.23 | JademusSreg | You mean the strings? |
| 17:15.41 | Ownage | my charge link is called Abil/Attack but the raw value of it is like ##id/## and that's the same raw value of several charge links |
| 17:15.56 | Ownage | when I go to set a charge link variable value Abil/Attack isn't listed |
| 17:16.08 | Ownage | and it doesn't let you type it in |
| 17:16.09 | JademusSreg | Those are token expressions. |
| 17:16.32 | Ownage | does that mean I would set all of them to that and it will convert it/ |
| 17:16.37 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 17:17.24 | JademusSreg | The tokens are used to initialize the values in data; it will not do anything helpful if you use ##id## in a triggered charge link. |
| 17:17.57 | JademusSreg | Though it is worth noting that custom charge links are as valid as those defined in data. |
| 17:18.16 | JademusSreg | Charge/cooldown links. =D |
| 17:18.38 | JademusSreg | Anyway, you'll want to set it to the not-raw value. |
| 17:18.39 | Ownage | so does that mean I should hard type the charge links then |
| 17:19.03 | Ownage | I would love to do that but it's not listed 8( |
| 17:19.15 | JademusSreg | What are your options? |
| 17:19.45 | JademusSreg | If it gives you a custom script option type the link with quotes around it. |
| 17:19.57 | JademusSreg | And double / |
| 17:20.05 | JademusSreg | Otherwise it'll throw an error. =D |
| 17:20.22 | Ownage | "Abil//Attack" |
| 17:20.24 | Ownage | ? |
| 17:20.37 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure that's correct. |
| 17:20.45 | Ownage | will give it a try thanks |
| 17:21.23 | JademusSreg | No problem. Dealt with manual links when tinkering with micro unit AI. |
| 17:23.39 | Ownage | so far doesn't seem to work |
| 17:24.03 | JademusSreg | So long as it isn't throwing errors, it's a good start. |
| 17:24.29 | Ownage | trying with one / |
| 17:24.55 | Ownage | hmm doesn't seem to work either |
| 17:24.58 | Ownage | no errors in either case |
| 17:25.06 | JademusSreg | Odd. |
| 17:25.22 | JademusSreg | I would expect a syntax error with one. |
| 17:27.29 | Ownage | I made it "Abil+Damage" and it still doesn't work or error |
| 17:27.45 | JademusSreg | MapScript? |
| 17:30.03 | Ownage | gt_BuildingUpgrade_Func |
| 17:30.35 | Ownage | line 1023 verifies position via debug message, as does 1030 |
| 17:30.47 | Ownage | the line following them should change charge count of ability on unit |
| 17:31.11 | Ownage | err |
| 17:31.18 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure that field path is not correct. |
| 17:31.51 | JademusSreg | Also, I was mistaken, \\ not // |
| 17:31.53 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 17:32.06 | JademusSreg | \\ is necessary for paths. |
| 17:32.22 | Ownage | corrected it I had debug in wrong spot |
| 17:32.31 | Ownage | what path is wrong |
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| 17:32.52 | JademusSreg | Tooltip. Well, it might not be wrong at all, I'm just used to long paths. |
| 17:33.31 | Ownage | trying with escaped \ |
| 17:34.05 | Ownage | the tooltip update works fine |
| 17:34.09 | Ownage | it's the charges that don't work |
| 17:34.59 | JademusSreg | Oops. Absent minded of me. |
| 17:35.05 | Ownage | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.09 | Ownage | does nothing |
| 17:35.27 | Ownage | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.31 | Ownage | i = 1 for sure |
| 17:35.48 | Ownage | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.15 | Ownage | 10 charges for debugging, what I'm trying to do really is add -1 charge used, aka give one charge |
| 17:36.28 | Ownage | tried -1,-2, 10, none do anything |
| 17:37.07 | Ownage | basically when you click a button, since it has -1 charges used per run, it subtracts a charge. |
| 17:37.27 | JademusSreg | What are the use and max and such values on the abilities? |
| 17:37.37 | Ownage | use = -1 |
| 17:37.45 | Ownage | max = 2000 |
| 17:38.06 | Ownage | clicking the ability makes the charge go up 1 |
| 17:38.18 | Ownage | however I want to 'refund' that charge with certain conditions |
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| 17:39.02 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of <CAbilSpecialize id="MakeVultureSpiderMines"> |
| 17:39.13 | JademusSreg | Which exists specifically to increase charges. |
| 17:39.29 | Kubi | That's odd as fuck |
| 17:39.35 | Kubi | This effect set doesnt apply everything |
| 17:39.49 | Ownage | confirmed again the index is what I expect |
| 17:40.01 | Ownage | does this add charges shit not actually work or what |
| 17:40.02 | Kubi | it removes the precursor |
| 17:40.06 | Kubi | however doesnt apply behaviors |
| 17:40.20 | Ownage | I'm going to hard code the values and see if it works at all |
| 17:40.28 | Ownage | i.e. not use variables in the action |
| 17:41.27 | Ownage | doesn't look like it works |
| 17:42.15 | JademusSreg | Haha. Interesting. |
| 17:42.15 | Kueken1 | add charges again? |
| 17:42.26 | Ownage | the charge link can be selected: Abil/Attack -> does nothing |
| 17:42.40 | Ownage | I also can select Abil/##id## which also does nothing |
| 17:42.59 | JademusSreg | ReplenishMine does this <Cost Abil="VultureSpiderMines,Execute" ChargeCountUse="-1"><Fraction Charge="1"/></Cost> |
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| 17:43.15 | Kueken1 | what do you want to do? replenish charges via trigger? |
| 17:43.28 | Kueken1 | didn't you do that yesterday? o_0 |
| 17:43.28 | Ownage | Kueken1, right, I want to refund 1 charge |
| 17:43.49 | Ownage | no yesterday I got it to add a charge when used |
| 17:43.49 | Kueken1 | or was that someone else |
| 17:43.49 | Ownage | which I ended up just doing use = -1 |
| 17:43.54 | Ownage | so now clicking an ability adds a charge |
| 17:44.04 | Ownage | however I want to remove that charge if condition |
| 17:44.10 | Kubi | Uuu |
| 17:44.11 | Ownage | aka, refund it |
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| 17:44.40 | Ownage | is there a place to edit these charge links? |
| 17:45.04 | Ownage | I have changed all of them to Abil/##id## and now only one of the hardcoded ones exists in the dropdowns |
| 17:45.04 | Kueken | sure, just where you set up the charges in the ability |
| 17:45.13 | Ownage | no I mean the actual object |
| 17:45.13 | CryptRat | I'm looking for some explaination of how Tips work, but google keeps turning up "advice for using the editor". |
| 17:45.24 | Kueken | object? |
| 17:45.32 | Ownage | they exist somewhere |
| 17:45.33 | Kueken | charge link is a string |
| 17:45.38 | Kueken | nothing else |
| 17:45.58 | CryptRat | Charges should be in the same window that has the cooldown. |
| 17:46.06 | Ownage | you're wrong they are something |
| 17:46.12 | JademusSreg | Let's try thos. |
| 17:46.16 | Kueken | if you say so ;) |
| 17:46.21 | Ownage | because there is one in existing which isn't referenced |
| 17:46.41 | Kueken | in galaxy script, charge links are just strings |
| 17:46.48 | Kubi | Is there a reason why Final Set isn't apply behaviors |
| 17:46.50 | JademusSreg | The Ability. |
| 17:47.17 | JademusSreg | I see cost links without silly slashes, so makes sense they don't need them. |
| 17:47.18 | Kueken | they are probably written in some textfile and not automatically removed, when you delete the ability |
| 17:47.23 | Ownage | EVERY ability I have is now set to this -> (Abil/##id##) |
| 17:47.29 | JademusSreg | Damn slashes must be an editor abstraction for scope. |
| 17:47.34 | Ownage | PREVIOUSLY, I had only ONE ability which wasn't |
| 17:47.41 | Ownage | it was set to (Abil/Armor) |
| 17:47.51 | Ownage | it is now ##id## like I said |
| 17:48.08 | Ownage | when I go to chose a charge link from the drop downs, Abil/Armor exists |
| 17:48.08 | JademusSreg | That explains why I couldn't get the goddamn weapon cooldown for my micro AI and resorted to custom links. =D |
| 17:48.18 | JademusSreg | That, minus Abil/ |
| 17:48.33 | Ownage | hence, they exist somewhere aside from in the value field |
| 17:49.03 | JademusSreg | <Cost><Vital index="Energy" value="50"/><Cooldown Link="Transfusion" TimeUse="1"/></Cost> |
| 17:49.21 | JademusSreg | That would appear as Abil/Transfusion from the data editor. |
| 17:49.40 | CryptRat | Using XML view? :p |
| 17:49.41 | JademusSreg | So clearly the Abil/ is a spurious abstraction. =D |
| 17:49.42 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 17:49.49 | JademusSreg | (Of course, always.) |
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| 17:52.39 | Ownage | oh you know what other bullshit |
| 17:52.50 | Ownage | last night I wanted to sync a units charges to another units charges |
| 17:53.04 | Ownage | the only way I could get it to work is have second unit cast each ability x times |
| 17:53.13 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 17:53.21 | Kueken | set location to player and you are set |
| 17:53.25 | CryptRat | So, nobody has any idea where I can find information on Tips? |
| 17:53.33 | Ownage | each pair is unique |
| 17:53.43 | Ownage | one buildings' charges need not affect other buildings |
| 17:53.46 | Ownage | just it's children |
| 17:54.12 | Kubi | FUCk |
| 17:54.14 | Kubi | I got it to work |
| 17:54.16 | Kubi | but I DONT KNOW WHAT I DID |
| 17:54.29 | CryptRat | Always the best. |
| 17:54.46 | CryptRat | Save it. |
| 17:54.47 | Ownage | I guess I will have to change the use back to 1 and have it cast the effect maybe |
| 17:54.56 | Ownage | hmm but that will trigger the same trigger again.. sigh |
| 17:55.11 | Kubi | Wel |
| 17:55.15 | Kueken | well, you can modify charges via trigger action and via data effect, both of which I have done successfully before, not sure, why it doesn't work for you |
| 17:55.15 | Ownage | god damn stupid cheeseball workarounds |
| 17:55.54 | Ownage | if you make a unit right now with ability instant effect with charge use -1 and you can affect it via charge trigger lmk |
| 17:56.00 | Ownage | if you get curious that is |
| 17:56.05 | Ownage | because I sure as hell can't |
| 17:56.16 | Ownage | without variables or anything, just literally telling it to adjust it |
| 17:56.20 | Ownage | I can't even clear the charges |
| 17:58.43 | Ownage | looks like I'm going to have to set a tracking boolean and temporarily change the cost, then cast it manually then unset the boolean |
| 17:58.58 | Kueken | wait, you don't use the Abil/##Id## entry in the trigger, do you? |
| 17:59.10 | Kubi | I dont know how I fixed it |
| 17:59.15 | Kubi | but I did it when I was drunk |
| 17:59.15 | Kubi | so |
| 17:59.23 | Kubi | I mapped more than 75% of my map drunk |
| 17:59.25 | Ownage | I tried that and the hard link, neither work |
| 17:59.37 | Ownage | Abil/Attack and Abil/##id## |
| 17:59.38 | Kubi | It's a good rule to live by |
| 17:59.46 | Ownage | as well as custom script "Abil\\Attack" |
| 18:00.03 | Ownage | custom script Abil//Attack Abil/Attack Abil\Attack Abil+Attack |
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| 18:00.26 | Ownage | also tried using variable containing those strings |
| 18:00.37 | Ownage | also tried using charge link variables |
| 18:02.24 | Kueken | works for me |
| 18:02.34 | JademusSreg | "Attack" |
| 18:03.04 | Ownage | liar |
| 18:03.08 | Kubi | What are you guys |
| 18:03.09 | Kubi | Under 21? |
| 18:03.10 | Kubi | jesus christ |
| 18:03.41 | Ownage | not quite |
| 18:04.23 | Ownage | I think the problem is that it's a negative maybe |
| 18:04.39 | Ownage | maybe it doesn't understand how to deal with that |
| 18:05.43 | Ownage | custom script "Attack" didnt work for me |
| 18:06.44 | Kueken | I used negative |
| 18:06.52 | Kueken | still working |
| 18:06.58 | Ownage | I'm going to start a new map and see |
| 18:07.11 | Ownage | because as far as I can tell I'm just doing it pretty standardly |
| 18:07.16 | JademusSreg | Demo, Kueken? |
| 18:10.01 | Kueken | http://pastebin.com/EymW69UC |
| 18:10.15 | Kueken | xml data for ability and trigger |
| 18:10.36 | Kueken | set is an empty set effect |
| 18:11.01 | Ownage | can you email me the map sspamfilter@gmail.com |
| 18:11.10 | Kubi | AS I SIT HERE AND MAP |
| 18:11.19 | Kubi | AND CHEEZITS ROLLING DOWN MY BELLY AND HITTING MY PANT LEG |
| 18:12.05 | Kueken | https://dl.dropbox.com/s/muvnp8guvgjywwd/Charges%20Test.SC2Map |
| 18:12.17 | JademusSreg | Kubi, how many heroes do you want this to support per player? |
| 18:13.04 | Ownage | just made nw map and tried |
| 18:13.06 | Ownage | didn't work |
| 18:13.10 | Kueken | :) |
| 18:13.18 | Ownage | I'll check yours out |
| 18:13.27 | asdff | it works when i set it as unit |
| 18:13.37 | asdff | it doesnt work when i set it as point/unit |
| 18:13.40 | asdff | why? |
| 18:13.54 | asdff | freeze effect behavior doesnt work |
| 18:14.15 | Kueken | thats cool, if you use -1 charge and count down charges, it will count down to 0, then grey out when it drops below -1 (still displays 0), but will remain useable although its greyed out |
| 18:14.28 | Kueken | so internally, it counts charges < 0 |
| 18:15.24 | Kueken | ...or not |
| 18:15.46 | Ownage | ok I think I know what the difference is for you |
| 18:15.58 | Kueken | when charges would be -5, adding 1 results in 0 and not greyed out anymore, adding a 2nd results in 1 |
| 18:15.59 | Ownage | the only thing I could see is your ability doesn't have a command |
| 18:16.10 | Kueken | the command doesn't matter |
| 18:16.17 | Ownage | well mine doesn't work and it's the same |
| 18:16.19 | Ownage | except that |
| 18:16.20 | Kueken | I was just too lazy to add one |
| 18:16.24 | JademusSreg | I'll do something fun. |
| 18:16.32 | Kueken | I had command before |
| 18:16.39 | Kueken | and worked as well |
| 18:17.00 | asdff | why my freeze behavior doesnt work?? |
| 18:17.08 | Kueken | changed it when I switched from effect - target to effect - instant to see if that makes a difference |
| 18:17.21 | Ownage | https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwlKU-c3Mi5tNmRwcDRxUEVPOEk/edit?usp=sharing |
| 18:17.25 | JademusSreg | asdff, your terrain set is too hot. Switch to the colder one. |
| 18:17.46 | asdff | what |
| 18:17.50 | Ownage | trying mine again |
| 18:17.52 | asdff | terrain set is too hot. Switch to the colder one.? |
| 18:18.11 | JademusSreg | Yeah. Needs to be a snowy terrain set to freeze, of ocurse. |
| 18:18.19 | Ownage | does nothing |
| 18:18.34 | asdff | why do you troll me |
| 18:19.18 | JademusSreg | Not all that amuses is trolling; I have a playful demeanor. |
| 18:19.54 | Ownage | I got it to work, but only on ability level |
| 18:19.56 | Kueken | Ownage: in the costs, the location for the charge is set to unit, but in the trigger, you try to change the charge for the ability |
| 18:20.17 | JademusSreg | Anyway, like I said earlier, a broken reference is most likely, or the following effect in the effect tree can't get needed target location info. |
| 18:20.19 | Kueken | they need to be the same |
| 18:20.48 | asdff | i dont understand what you said |
| 18:20.53 | JademusSreg | Either way, you'll need to provide data, asdff. |
| 18:21.08 | Ownage | try it with your map Kueken |
| 18:21.12 | Ownage | unit scope |
| 18:21.14 | Kueken | either use Add Charge Used for Unit or change the location in the costs to Ability |
| 18:21.31 | Ownage | it needs to be unit location |
| 18:21.46 | Ownage | doesn't show up in the list if you try to use the charge add to unit |
| 18:22.18 | Ownage | in fact none of the Abil/ show up |
| 18:22.24 | Kueken | there is an add button to add the string to the list :) |
| 18:22.54 | Ownage | if this works I'm going to punch you and kiss you |
| 18:23.04 | JademusSreg | UnitAddChargeUsed (unit inUnit, string inCharge, fixed inVal); |
| 18:23.07 | Kubi | Kubi, how many heroes do you want this to support per player? |
| 18:23.10 | Kubi | What do you mean |
| 18:23.20 | Ownage | sigh it works |
| 18:23.33 | Ownage | stupid me for thinking the list of values in the gui means anything |
| 18:23.51 | Ownage | thanks Kueken I hate you and love you |
| 18:23.52 | JademusSreg | Kubi, how many heroe frames do you want displayed for each player? |
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| 18:24.00 | JademusSreg | It's a question of how scalable I need to make it. |
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| 18:25.59 | asdff | http://imgur.com/yUl8bce,KRlpiPR,nM8Gldm,o9uQMdl,n6GSkvO,yQYduSJ |
| 18:26.03 | asdff | this is the data |
| 18:27.03 | Ownage | gahhh it fucking works |
| 18:27.07 | JademusSreg | Try Ctrl 3 to switch to XML view and copy paste to pastebin. |
| 18:28.19 | Ownage | now I can remove these rediculous hacks |
| 18:30.04 | asdff | copy which one? |
| 18:30.48 | JademusSreg | Anything that's relevant. If you know the ids of the entries when you created them, those specifically. |
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| 18:34.33 | asdff | http://pastebin.com/ihvQZhwb |
| 18:34.40 | asdff | http://pastebin.com/G1AJFG9y |
| 18:34.42 | asdff | http://pastebin.com/z8ND4Yfe |
| 18:34.45 | asdff | http://pastebin.com/gRiN7BB4 |
| 18:34.50 | asdff | http://pastebin.com/fgCrF16B |
| 18:34.54 | asdff | http://pastebin.com/Ams2dtmR |
| 18:37.51 | JademusSreg | Why the same stuff multiple times? |
| 18:38.14 | Kueken | xD |
| 18:38.44 | JademusSreg | The first 5 are the same effect catalog. The mind is boggled. |
| 18:39.08 | Kueken | you might have a different concept of "anything thats relevant" :D |
| 18:40.11 | JademusSreg | I'd like to buy a vowel. |
| 18:41.43 | JademusSreg | Any hints on the entry point of this effect tree, or is that part of the puzzle? |
| 18:41.46 | Zolden | i'd like to why a bowel |
| 18:41.58 | Ownage | hmm, for attaching a doodad model to a unit, and selecting a specific variation, any ideas? |
| 18:42.02 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:42.08 | Ownage | I can attach model but it's random variation |
| 18:42.30 | JademusSreg | ColonyInfestation/corruption choose specific models. |
| 18:43.26 | Ownage | um what |
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| 18:43.47 | Ownage | "attach model to unit" -> not right? |
| 18:43.54 | Ownage | it works but I can't choose a variation |
| 18:43.59 | Ownage | and there's not what you said listed |
| 18:45.06 | Ownage | you saying just make my own actor? |
| 18:45.11 | Ownage | or model rather |
| 18:45.48 | Ownage | yeh that should work |
| 18:49.53 | JademusSreg | asd, it it impacts a point, then the Set effect has no unit to apply the effects. |
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| 18:51.02 | JademusSreg | If you want it to impact a point, it needs a search area effect to apply the set. |
| 18:53.26 | asdff | must i upload my map |
| 18:53.43 | asdff | can i fix this problem with only search area effect? |
| 18:54.04 | JademusSreg | That or revert back to Target Unit. |
| 18:54.39 | asdff | what is that? |
| 18:55.47 | JademusSreg | What is your native language? Perhaps there is someone in a better lingual position to guide you. |
| 18:58.01 | asdff | i understand what you say but i dont understand how i do that in map editor |
| 18:59.10 | ckSynergy | Are there stipulations as to when a missile can be redirected/relaunched/nullified? |
| 18:59.23 | ckSynergy | Tried all 3 methods, but the missile keeps moving lol |
| 18:59.32 | JademusSreg | Remember what you did that broke it asd? Do the reverse of that. |
| 18:59.44 | ckSynergy | (and yes Im sure I have the right impact/target point) |
| 19:00.11 | JademusSreg | ck, I've never used redirect missile, so I can't hazard a guess. =D |
| 19:01.20 | ckSynergy | Have you ever stopped a missile? |
| 19:01.29 | ckSynergy | without relying on timeout |
| 19:01.49 | ckSynergy | or timescale |
| 19:01.54 | JademusSreg | If you mean stationary, no, if you mean with nullify missile as PDD does, yes. |
| 19:02.00 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:02.18 | ckSynergy | hmmm |
| 19:02.30 | JademusSreg | It -does- keep moving. |
| 19:02.40 | JademusSreg | But its hidden and doesn't interact. |
| 19:02.59 | ckSynergy | Thats good info there |
| 19:03.40 | ckSynergy | Can you trigger impact prematurely? |
| 19:03.49 | ckSynergy | *Have you ever triggered |
| 19:03.56 | JademusSreg | Well, I've got my approach to collider missiles. |
| 19:04.22 | ckSynergy | which is? |
| 19:04.37 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Jademus%20Demo.SC2Map |
| 19:04.43 | JademusSreg | May wanna turn down the audio a bit. |
| 19:05.20 | JademusSreg | The impact sounds are quite loud, as I never bothered to configure it. |
| 19:05.52 | ckSynergy | I dont have audio |
| 19:05.58 | ckSynergy | can you just give me the gist? |
| 19:05.58 | JademusSreg | Excellent. |
| 19:06.31 | ckSynergy | You cause missile collision by... |
| 19:07.12 | JademusSreg | Seeing how they behave would be more informative, but no matter. Buff behavior periodic tries to kill itself, but can't unless the validators pass. |
| 19:07.23 | Ownage | cute I like it |
| 19:07.25 | ckSynergy | ah |
| 19:07.44 | ckSynergy | Makes sense |
| 19:08.32 | ckSynergy | Wont work for my scenario though. I dont want to kill the missile, just redirect it (The missile is a unit) :) |
| 19:08.33 | asdff | http://www.mediafire.com/?q4zmo79qwincc66 |
| 19:08.38 | JademusSreg | It impacts on higher cliff levels relative to source point, but not on units beneath or above it, as it checks unit height, as well. |
| 19:08.41 | asdff | i dont know what i broke |
| 19:08.47 | asdff | what is broken? |
| 19:09.01 | ckSynergy | Jademus: Spiffy |
| 19:09.19 | asdff | if i set it was launch missile with target unit, it does freeze enemies |
| 19:09.30 | JademusSreg | You said you changed it to target point, asd, and that it broke it. Change it back. |
| 19:09.40 | JademusSreg | Or make a search area effect to apply the set effect. |
| 19:09.40 | asdff | if i set it as unit/point |
| 19:09.55 | asdff | but if i change that |
| 19:10.02 | JademusSreg | Those are your two options. |
| 19:10.06 | asdff | it doesnt hit multiple targets |
| 19:10.19 | JademusSreg | Then use a search area effect. |
| 19:10.52 | asdff | search area effect for chill or behavior? |
| 19:11.33 | asdff | or persistant? |
| 19:12.24 | JademusSreg | Launch Missile : impact effect > Search Area effect : Area : effect > Set effect { Damage effect, Apply Behavior effect} |
| 19:13.13 | asdff | i can't understand that message |
| 19:13.32 | asdff | can't you just tell me simple hint |
| 19:13.37 | JademusSreg | What language is your editor in? |
| 19:13.45 | asdff | english |
| 19:14.50 | JademusSreg | Alright. So you can read the effect types (denoted by the first letter of the word in upper case), and you can read the fields (denoted by : ). |
| 19:15.45 | JademusSreg | Given this demonstrable capacity for literacy, you have only to galiantly take your armaments and combat the unexplored depths of the editor. |
| 19:17.32 | asdff | i did set search area effect as frostbolt set (it has damage and apply chill behavior) |
| 19:18.13 | JademusSreg | I'm aware; read the xml from the pastebin. |
| 19:18.35 | asdff | this is my map http://www.mediafire.com/?q4zmo79qwincc66 |
| 19:18.47 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 19:19.15 | asdff | it doesnt apply freeze effect even if i set search area as frostbolt set |
| 19:19.58 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:20.36 | JademusSreg | Are you certain it's a search area effect? |
| 19:21.08 | JademusSreg | Has it been set as the launch missile effect's impact effect? |
| 19:21.21 | asdff | effect type = search area |
| 19:22.11 | JademusSreg | Does the search area effect have an area defined in the Area field array? Radius, effect, search filters? |
| 19:22.20 | asdff | now i set it as launch missile's eefect |
| 19:22.39 | JademusSreg | Congrats. |
| 19:23.11 | asdff | wow |
| 19:23.13 | asdff | now it works |
| 19:23.18 | asdff | you are god of editor |
| 19:23.38 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 19:24.56 | asdff | look at this http://i.imgur.com/EeKDFfg.jpg |
| 19:25.12 | JademusSreg | Pew pew. |
| 19:25.19 | asdff | i spent several days so many hours all day to do this |
| 19:25.43 | JademusSreg | Glad to put an end to it. |
| 19:27.10 | asdff | i guess i can sleep happily now |
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| 19:35.35 | sharf | so, if I have a buff on a unit that increases it's spell damage, does that increase spell damage effects of abilities? |
| 19:36.47 | JademusSreg | Yep. Unless the trace to the source of the bonus is lost. |
| 19:36.49 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 19:43.48 | tordy | wassup dudes and dudettes |
| 19:47.13 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 19:50.01 | JademusSreg | Anyway, that's a multipurpose demo. Intend to add more to it. |
| 19:50.34 | JademusSreg | If you disable some scripts, you can find the data-based elevator on the map, haha. |
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| 19:53.02 | Taintedwisp | Hey everyone |
| 19:53.17 | Taintedwisp | JademusSreg I woke up today and figured it out I think haven't tried yet |
| 19:53.43 | JademusSreg | Kubi, pry yourself from your soporific libations for a moment and answer the question so I know how best to implement the data structure for storing hero panel shit. |
| 19:54.02 | JademusSreg | Cool, Taint. |
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| 20:09.51 | twodie | Zolden how is pooping going? :] |
| 20:10.19 | Zolden | worldwide? fine i guess |
| 20:11.08 | twodie | worldwide it really isnt going fine. |
| 20:12.07 | Zolden | also, i recommend to create a poopapult for your medieval map |
| 20:12.56 | twodie | have you played Stronghold 2? That game is just full of poopers |
| 20:13.34 | Zolden | i think i have |
| 20:13.41 | Taintedwisp | I am confused... WHAT THE FUCK!!! |
| 20:13.43 | Zolden | there we had to siege fortresses, right? |
| 20:13.53 | JademusSreg | expects someday, MMOs will have waste expulsion as a common feature. |
| 20:14.05 | Zolden | Taintedwisp: everyone is confused after their first gaysex experience |
| 20:14.13 | twodie | most of the time while you wherent building your stuff |
| 20:14.39 | Taintedwisp | JAdemusSreg, that was in Digimon on PSOne |
| 20:14.40 | Zolden | i remember building long walls there |
| 20:15.12 | JademusSreg | I'm not counting pinkrappamon. |
| 20:15.41 | Taintedwisp | you turn into a turd if you dont take your digimon to shit |
| 20:15.53 | twodie | in other news need voice actors.. these WC3 voices wont be much good for long |
| 20:17.10 | JademusSreg | Oh yeah, that reminds me. |
| 20:18.00 | JademusSreg | 00EDCF641610Mods/War3.SC2Mod |
| 20:18.03 | JademusSreg | Sorry. |
| 20:18.08 | JademusSreg | 00EDCF64 Mods/War3.SC2Mod |
| 20:18.18 | twodie | ? |
| 20:18.32 | JademusSreg | It's a reference from the client memory. |
| 20:19.20 | twodie | they really could host those game files like sounds and stuff on their servers |
| 20:19.35 | Eagles | What does that mean JademusSreg? |
| 20:19.49 | twodie | 32 players! |
| 20:19.54 | twodie | nothing in other words |
| 20:20.21 | JademusSreg | I can't verify how long it's been in the client. It -suggests- a mod with Warcraft 3 assets may exist in some fashion for SC2. |
| 20:20.25 | twodie | when they developed the SC2 they left some marks for us to look at and do stuff |
| 20:20.47 | Eagles | ah |
| 20:24.17 | Ahli | like they added a stardiablo folder for a blizz funmap... or something like that |
| 20:29.10 | sharf | ok so I have a choosable attribute system, that uses buffs to apply the attributes as a dummy ability is learned |
| 20:29.33 | JademusSreg | May not be a recent addition, but the client does get updated; there are references to SwarmDev.SC2Campaign as well. |
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| 20:29.52 | JademusSreg | I suppose I could check the only client versions in the patches. |
| 20:29.52 | sharf | I have another one of those that increases another buff depending on the level of one of the attributes. For some reason, it works, but not with the attributes they start with |
| 20:30.02 | sharf | what's the deal... |
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| 20:37.46 | Bounty | Whats a brother got to do to get newsed up in this bitch Sixen |
| 20:37.48 | Bounty | :) |
| 20:38.28 | Taintedwisp | be a cool person :) |
| 20:40.46 | Sixen | pm me on mapster |
| 20:57.42 | Bounty | You didnt get the PM i sent you yesterday Sixen? |
| 20:58.10 | Sixen | I don't have a PM from you on mapster, no |
| 20:58.50 | Taintedwisp | Bounty sending phantom messages again |
| 20:58.57 | Bounty | now you do |
| 20:58.59 | Bounty | pew pew |
| 21:10.02 | Taintedwisp | Hey how do I make the Image be UNDER the dialog button? |
| 21:10.08 | Taintedwisp | instead of on top |
| 21:10.09 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 21:10.18 | Taintedwisp | Is it the blend mode? if so which one? |
| 21:14.29 | twodie | or just create image before other items |
| 21:15.37 | Bounty | Anyone want Xcom on steam? |
| 21:18.46 | Ownage | how do I freeze a unit's animation completely without pausing the unit |
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| 21:41.32 | Taintedwisp | Darn |
| 21:41.40 | Taintedwisp | JademusSreg, I got it... but it looks crappy :( |
| 21:41.45 | Taintedwisp | i gotta get a new frame |
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| 21:45.40 | Skaft | uhm, how do i activate or whatever the HotS mapeditor? |
| 21:45.56 | Ownage | include some swarm dependencies |
| 21:46.03 | Ownage | the end |
| 21:48.24 | Skaft | that didnt really help me :3 |
| 21:48.35 | Ownage | File > Dependencies |
| 21:48.41 | Ownage | if you can't figure that out you're in trouble |
| 21:48.46 | Ownage | the map editor is hard |
| 21:52.24 | Skaft | Have to start somewhere dont you` |
| 21:52.52 | Ownage | you sure do buddy |
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| 22:07.49 | Kubi | Made a cool ass ability today |
| 22:10.23 | Ownage | one that cools your ass after someone else has used the toilet seat? |
| 22:18.39 | Taintedwisp | it looks alright now |
| 22:21.25 | Taintedwisp | I fucking hate UI |
| 22:21.27 | Taintedwisp | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 22:21.35 | Taintedwisp | WORK YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT |
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| 22:22.36 | Taintedwisp | is there something UI have to hit to make it fucking commit changes ... |
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| 22:23.17 | asdf__ | can i change melee map to arcade? |
| 22:24.44 | asdf__ | hey |
| 22:25.05 | Taintedwisp | jademusSreg, I changed the file path in the UI... i did this several times, but now its no longer changing it.... |
| 22:25.08 | asdf__ | and if multiplayer is patched, my swarm mod map is patched? |
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| 22:45.16 | Taintedwisp | Hey JademusSreg what you doing right now? |
| 22:45.28 | Taintedwisp | Could I bother you to create a VERY simple image? |
| 22:47.39 | Taintedwisp | imy photoshop is bugging out and I cant create it |
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| 22:58.03 | ckSynergy | !seen Blizz-Deletarius |
| 22:58.40 | Bounty | !seen Blizz-Deletarius |
| 22:58.47 | Bounty | !seen Bounty |
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| 23:03.09 | Taintedwisp | ug |
| 23:03.14 | Taintedwisp | ~seen Blizz-Deletarius |
| 23:03.20 | purl | blizz-deletarius <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 30d 6h 51m 9s ago, saying: 'I believe it is possible, but I'm not exactly sure which actor message it is'. |
| 23:03.36 | Taintedwisp | WHAT THE HELL |
| 23:04.56 | Taintedwisp | Anyone here whos good with photoshop? |
| 23:05.03 | Taintedwisp | I made a simple image -_-, but its refusing to work |
| 23:08.26 | Taintedwisp | Okay so when I save this image(the red glow border), it becomes a solid color with an outline -_-, how do I fix this? http://i.imgur.com/TjuSWZe.png |
