| 00:02.03 | Eagles | http://puu.sh/2l7V9/a03942a660 Nice editor bug lol |
| 00:06.29 | Kueken | whats the bug? |
| 00:06.44 | Kueken | doesn't look all that bad to me |
| 00:06.56 | Kueken | ah |
| 00:06.59 | Kueken | got it ;) |
| 00:07.11 | Kueken | I swear, I am getting blind |
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| 00:08.48 | Zolden | and where is the bug? |
| 00:09.36 | Reaperguyver | ha |
| 00:09.42 | Reaperguyver | player 1 isn't a color. |
| 00:09.44 | Reaperguyver | right? |
| 00:10.04 | Reaperguyver | Maybe I don't see t either... |
| 00:12.51 | Ahli | ohhh, I only noticed image type != color |
| 00:12.57 | Eagles | The bug is that it says "Image type of" when the function is called "Dialog Item Color" |
| 00:13.10 | Reaperguyver | ah |
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| 00:13.27 | Ahli | but the upper panel clearly states a color :D |
| 00:13.34 | Taintedwisp | what up peeples |
| 00:13.38 | Reaperguyver | yeah my minds getting number from the data editor already >.< |
| 00:13.41 | Taintedwisp | just got back from a funeral |
| 00:13.45 | Reaperguyver | hating muh map lol |
| 00:13.52 | Taintedwisp | Evo-Frenzy is better |
| 00:13.53 | Ahli | =/ |
| 00:13.54 | Reaperguyver | that suuuuuuuucks |
| 00:13.55 | Taintedwisp | ALWAYS BETTER |
| 00:14.01 | Reaperguyver | I do not doubt it. |
| 00:14.02 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 00:14.07 | Reaperguyver | I'm 99% sure my map is crap. |
| 00:14.14 | Taintedwisp | go play mini chop farms |
| 00:14.19 | Taintedwisp | Its sooo terrible its AWESOME to play |
| 00:14.28 | Taintedwisp | people play it because its sooo bad |
| 00:14.29 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 00:14.31 | Reaperguyver | I'm good thanks. |
| 00:14.33 | Taintedwisp | its so bad its fun |
| 00:14.42 | Reaperguyver | I don't have a bad enough headache yet |
| 00:14.56 | Reaperguyver | math makes my head hurt >.< |
| 00:15.09 | Reaperguyver | plus I can't test my triggers so..... |
| 00:15.20 | Reaperguyver | I'm going to make all of them now and test them later. |
| 00:15.42 | Zolden | even monkeys understand math |
| 00:16.02 | Zolden | even Taintedwisp understands math |
| 00:16.14 | Reaperguyver | Indeed. I'm just not sure if I'm doing it right for what I need/want it to do. |
| 00:16.15 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 00:18.01 | Eagles | Since I really need this function that is bugged.. anyone know how one would get the color of a dialog item? |
| 00:18.26 | Kueken | did you try if an editor restart fixed things? |
| 00:19.22 | Kueken | also you could try to store the color in a variable temporarily, maybe its just bugged when used in a condition or something, no idea |
| 00:20.31 | Eagles | Did now, didn't help. I've tried to use the function, it returns trigger errors. |
| 00:22.14 | Eagles | Creating the function should be possible though right? Hm.. Anyway to inspect blizzard functions in galaxy script? |
| 00:29.57 | Taintedwisp | MY NUTS |
| 00:31.15 | Taintedwisp | PPPOOPOOPPOOOOPPPOOOOOOPP |
| 00:31.47 | Taintedwisp | pppppooooppppppooooopopopippoppooppopooppopoopopoopppoopoopooppo |
| 00:32.10 | Taintedwisp | makes a nice beat if you read it out |
| 00:33.08 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LronGsmcuLA |
| 00:40.20 | Reaperguyver | nice |
| 00:40.41 | Reaperguyver | now I really wish i had bought that spartan mark V armor when knightmare armor was selling them. |
| 00:50.26 | Eagles | X_X my face when I install Blender and I get no more than 3 FPS with it. |
| 00:52.42 | nooblark | harro |
| 00:55.31 | Taintedwisp | hey nooblark |
| 00:55.41 | Taintedwisp | Thunderlord you there? |
| 00:57.52 | Kueken | eagles: using the galaxy functions should work, yes |
| 00:58.11 | Eagles | ? |
| 00:58.13 | Taintedwisp | Kueken you should make me some AWESOME bosses :))) |
| 00:58.24 | Kueken | you could also just create a fixed gui version using a line of custom script |
| 00:58.42 | Kueken | to get the dialog color |
| 00:58.50 | Kueken | if the gui version is still bugged |
| 00:59.49 | Eagles | Yeah, it is. Any chance you can guide my path in creating a custom script function to get the dialog color? |
| 01:00.03 | Kueken | just a moment, taking a look myself |
| 01:01.01 | Kueken | alright, you should be able to just use the bugged version |
| 01:01.08 | Kueken | it seems to be just a display bug |
| 01:01.29 | Kueken | the correct galaxy function is called, and the returned value is a color |
| 01:01.42 | Eagles | Really? wuhh, I tested that, must have failed |
| 01:02.08 | Kueken | okay, let me test real quick |
| 01:02.14 | Kueken | did just look at the map scrip |
| 01:02.15 | Kueken | t |
| 01:02.20 | Kueken | didnt run it ingame |
| 01:04.23 | Dustin | HP-X|Arthas |
| 01:06.17 | Kueken | Eagles: seems to work on my end |
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| 01:09.17 | Ahli | is there something to disable the whole AI communication system in hots in a map? |
| 01:09.53 | IskatuMesk | probably a forceful way to do it |
| 01:09.57 | Dustin | I think there's some globals for the distances they talk you can null out |
| 01:10.12 | IskatuMesk | as in gutting the galaxy files |
| 01:10.16 | Ahli | I'm trying a forceful way right now =/ disable disables the button, but not the hotkeys |
| 01:10.37 | Ahli | moving offscreen makes the button not be placed on the screen |
| 01:11.00 | IskatuMesk | can't go into the xml and remove the button? |
| 01:11.35 | Ahli | I hooked it up and try to destroy it, but it seems like those things can't be destroyed |
| 01:11.41 | Ahli | xml can't delete things |
| 01:11.49 | Ahli | only add and alter |
| 01:12.09 | IskatuMesk | ... wow. |
| 01:12.11 | Ahli | but that thing seems hardcoded right now =/ |
| 01:12.26 | IskatuMesk | so you can't pull their console/layout stuff out of the mpqs and just remove chunks of it? |
| 01:12.33 | IskatuMesk | maybe the AI scripts themselves make it? |
| 01:12.58 | IskatuMesk | I mean, blizzard and hardcode are like two passionate hatelovers, so I can see it happening |
| 01:13.17 | IskatuMesk | it makes sense for them to hardcode something so small and simple |
| 01:13.44 | Ahli | you can't just alter their files... we can only add changes to it via UI editor |
| 01:13.55 | Ahli | their stuff is always loaded, then our stuff |
| 01:14.31 | Ahli | if they don't provide options to disable their stuff, we can't get rid of their stuff :( |
| 01:15.46 | IskatuMesk | I always got the impression that browder is an always on top kind of guy |
| 01:16.05 | IskatuMesk | so if you replace their files in the map mpq nothing happens? |
| 01:16.23 | IskatuMesk | that is pretty retardd |
| 01:16.38 | IskatuMesk | well, Blizzard doesn't even know what a mod is, so I guess I can't be too surprised |
| 01:17.12 | Ahli | I didn't try replacing via improting it in the map... but that shouldn't work for that :D |
| 01:17.37 | IskatuMesk | why not? |
| 01:17.53 | IskatuMesk | at least from what I recall in wc3, the map holds priority over secmpq which holds priority over the game |
| 01:18.06 | IskatuMesk | I replaced textures in the maps... logically, the ui shouldn't be different |
| 01:18.14 | IskatuMesk | logically, of course |
| 01:19.45 | IskatuMesk | http://i.imgur.com/79SBoZT.jpg getting closer to being finished with this |
| 01:20.08 | Eagles | Kueken Hmm, still ain't working for me, but I suck. Also, it was kind of a delay-route for me- any chance you could share the secret of making a function which returns the Desatuartion flag of a dialog item? |
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| 01:21.19 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg |
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| 01:27.29 | TheSkunk___ | http://www.twitch.tv/chanmanv |
| 01:27.31 | TheSkunk___ | lol.. |
| 01:27.37 | TheSkunk___ | "how do we get out?" |
| 01:29.08 | Ahli | JademusSreg: do you remember something about the AI communications in the triggers or in data? I would like to turn that new HotS feature off in my map while maintaining shared control and vision with an AI player. |
| 01:29.24 | Ahli | oh damned, they started already? |
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| 01:30.54 | TheSkunk___ | yeah |
| 01:31.00 | TheSkunk___ | starts at 9 |
| 01:31.18 | TheSkunk___ | they didn't know you had to double click to select hero, and couldn't figure out teleporters |
| 01:31.21 | Ahli | so, 2 for me |
| 01:31.41 | TheSkunk___ | Oh yeah, sorry x_x for some reason I thought you were NA |
| 01:32.44 | Kueken | Eagles: there doesn't seem to be a gui function for it, but it is available in galaxy |
| 01:33.34 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 01:33.38 | Bounty | Test before i go to bed? :) |
| 01:33.42 | Ahli | dogmai here? :D |
| 01:33.51 | Ahli | funny if he misses all of it :D |
| 01:34.11 | TheSkunk___ | He could just watch the VOD I'm sure |
| 01:34.52 | TheSkunk___ | to be fair I think they're doing OK for their first game.. I had dogmia and crew to answer any questions I had when I first played |
| 01:34.59 | Eagles | Kueken How can you tell? I searched on sc2mapster for desaturation without any result |
| 01:36.14 | Kueken | dialog items have a function to get all kinds of data from it, and the desaturation seems to be one of the constants useable for it |
| 01:36.22 | Kueken | currently trying if it works |
| 01:36.26 | Kueken | but it should |
| 01:41.00 | Kueken | Eagles: seems to work ;) |
| 01:41.22 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 01:41.24 | Kueken | you can make it a gui function quite easily, if you want |
| 01:41.25 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 01:41.57 | Eagles | JademusSreg signs up for duty LOL |
| 01:42.03 | Kueken | Welcome Back, JademusSreg! |
| 01:42.11 | Kueken | Where Have You Been, Son? |
| 01:42.24 | Eagles | Seriously though- I have no idea how to get the code for that >_< Should I take a galaxy code tutorial or is there an easier way? |
| 01:42.33 | JademusSreg | Places. I saw -things-, maaan. |
| 01:42.41 | Kueken | I can give you a step-by-step, if you want |
| 01:42.49 | Eagles | I can't write any script yet. Yeah that would be awesome |
| 01:43.01 | Kueken | alright. |
| 01:43.06 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 01:43.08 | JademusSreg | Ahli, misses what? |
| 01:43.11 | Bounty | u get my message? :) |
| 01:43.19 | JademusSreg | Yeah, loggin in now. |
| 01:43.24 | Bounty | nice |
| 01:44.30 | Ahli | http://www.twitch.tv/chanmanv dogmai's tofu arena |
| 01:44.46 | JademusSreg | Ah. Who is chanmanv? |
| 01:45.10 | Ahli | some dude with a few sc2 shows |
| 01:45.14 | Ahli | do you remember something about the AI communications in the triggers or in data? I would like to turn that new HotS feature off in my map while maintaining shared control and vision with an AI player. |
| 01:45.44 | Ahli | new feature added... no way to turn if it off =/ |
| 01:45.57 | JademusSreg | Yeah, it's a flag in the AI, I think. |
| 01:53.17 | Bounty | Lets hear it JademusSreg, watcha think lol |
| 01:53.22 | JademusSreg | I'll take a look, though. |
| 01:53.51 | JademusSreg | Better. Not quite a boss battle, but more impressive than a dude that looks like all the other dudes. |
| 01:53.53 | Bounty | and i wanna know what you meant when you said he was hillarious haha |
| 01:54.08 | JademusSreg | He's a hilarious murder machine. |
| 01:54.27 | Bounty | How is it not a boss battle though? In that hes not predictable? |
| 01:54.42 | Bounty | lol yes he is |
| 01:54.48 | Kueken | hey guys, you noticed how the data editor now groups all data you changed at the top right? |
| 01:54.56 | Kueken | is there a way to deactivate that? |
| 01:54.58 | Ahli | orange button |
| 01:55.02 | JademusSreg | Disable it in View |
| 01:55.07 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:55.20 | sharf | I can't figure out why the heck this dang missile has an offset... |
| 01:55.29 | Kueken | ah |
| 01:55.36 | Kueken | "sort by source" |
| 01:56.02 | Kueken | that one was pissing me off :D |
| 01:59.34 | JademusSreg | Ahli, try setting the AI difficulty flag SupportsBeacons. |
| 02:00.23 | JademusSreg | AISetDifficulty(player,c_diffSupportsBeacons,false); |
| 02:00.26 | Ahli | cant find in gui, what's the exact name in... ok |
| 02:01.56 | Ahli | that one is not in GUI :D |
| 02:02.25 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:03.00 | Ahli | <3 |
| 02:03.04 | Ahli | worked |
| 02:03.08 | JademusSreg | Goot. |
| 02:06.52 | Dustin | So |
| 02:07.57 | Dustin | Instead of making a c# client for my bank parser, im going to make it in php so the end user doesn't have to download anything, but they can run the live updater from the page while they are playing |
| 02:09.04 | JademusSreg | Excellent. |
| 02:09.31 | Dustin | brb |
| 02:09.33 | JademusSreg | Does it process signatures as well? |
| 02:10.16 | Dogmai | my tofu arena |
| 02:10.18 | Dogmai | o_O |
| 02:10.52 | Eagles | Do you guys like my pro Cutscene director skills? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wD0QzTEgjU&feature=youtu.be |
| 02:11.49 | IskatuMesk | u gots the talent bro |
| 02:13.37 | sharf | huh, this is kueken's tutorial :x |
| 02:13.51 | Kueken | ? |
| 02:14.29 | sharf | colliding projectiles |
| 02:15.13 | Kueken | yes |
| 02:15.42 | Eagles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fCm8mphgCKE That's just amazing. |
| 02:15.51 | Kueken | its a little messy currently due to some foru bugs being fixed, which I exploited :D |
| 02:16.46 | sharf | so then maybe you can help me with it :P |
| 02:16.50 | sharf | I want 1 fireball |
| 02:17.02 | sharf | and I can't make it not launch from the side (L or R) |
| 02:17.09 | JademusSreg | Oh yah, collider missiles. |
| 02:17.34 | Kueken | you mean, you don't want it to launch from the firebats left or right weapons? |
| 02:17.50 | sharf | i want it on not a firebat :P |
| 02:18.01 | Kueken | yes, I figured ;) |
| 02:18.08 | sharf | but yeah |
| 02:18.18 | sharf | I suppose I could work with the right weapon |
| 02:18.26 | Kueken | well, the left or right is due to the attachment points of the firebats being there |
| 02:18.31 | sharf | but I was kinda envisioning it just coming from infront of the spellcaster |
| 02:18.43 | sharf | how are they attached though? |
| 02:18.47 | Kueken | just use another attachment point, which is more suited for your caster model |
| 02:19.06 | Kueken | via the SOpAttachWeaponLeft/Right site operations |
| 02:19.16 | Kueken | change these and you are golden |
| 02:19.47 | sharf | right |
| 02:19.50 | sharf | but I don't even see those |
| 02:20.12 | sharf | like |
| 02:20.12 | Kueken | well, if you follow the step by step tutorial, you need to add these |
| 02:20.23 | sharf | it's launch site ops right? |
| 02:20.36 | Kueken | yes |
| 02:20.55 | sharf | I changed those before but let me try something again |
| 02:21.06 | Kueken | oh wait |
| 02:21.23 | Kueken | not the site operations are used, the launch attachment query it is |
| 02:21.56 | Kueken | <- was away too long... |
| 02:22.57 | sharf | AMFilterWeapon00? |
| 02:23.29 | Kueken | thats the default |
| 02:23.33 | sharf | lol your tutorial has 2 abilities I need :P |
| 02:23.38 | sharf | but I need to fix this one |
| 02:23.43 | sharf | well |
| 02:23.46 | sharf | all that has |
| 02:23.48 | sharf | is |
| 02:23.55 | sharf | AMFilterWeapon00 |
| 02:23.58 | sharf | fallback center |
| 02:24.05 | IskatuMesk | [img]http://i.imgur.com/Cylbhs3.jpg[/img] |
| 02:24.09 | IskatuMesk | oh right, not a forum |
| 02:24.11 | IskatuMesk | not used to irc |
| 02:24.12 | IskatuMesk | http://i.imgur.com/Cylbhs3.jpg |
| 02:24.36 | Kueken | yes, you can change that to a more appropriate attachment point for your caster model |
| 02:26.34 | sharf | mmk I think I got it |
| 02:27.36 | sharf | hmm |
| 02:27.50 | sharf | I used center |
| 02:28.03 | sharf | but I want it to spawn more infront of the unit |
| 02:28.08 | sharf | now it's kind of in the unit |
| 02:28.29 | Kueken | does your model have an attachment point in front of it? |
| 02:28.56 | sharf | not sure hang on |
| 02:29.08 | Kueken | if not, you can use a Local Offset site operation |
| 02:29.38 | sharf | oh yeah |
| 02:29.41 | sharf | I remember doing that |
| 02:30.10 | sharf | yeah he doesn't |
| 02:30.17 | sharf | oh well, have to use that then |
| 02:30.23 | Kueken | :) |
| 02:30.49 | sharf | ugh I can follow tutorials, but I don't understand enough of this yet >.< |
| 02:31.04 | IskatuMesk | I can't follow tutorials |
| 02:31.07 | IskatuMesk | makes things harder for me :3 |
| 02:31.35 | Kueken | I can't use video tutorials |
| 02:31.50 | IskatuMesk | my video tutorials are best tutorials |
| 02:31.59 | JademusSreg | Cawww. |
| 02:32.00 | JamesQCarlton | Kueken the truthful |
| 02:32.30 | Kueken | hey Lajla |
| 02:32.41 | Kueken | still didn't give up on me, have you? |
| 02:33.14 | Kueken | (god that was awful english :x) |
| 02:33.32 | IskatuMesk | your english can't be as bad as mine |
| 02:33.52 | IskatuMesk | you only messed up one word |
| 02:34.11 | Kueken | but but but.... it sounded terrible in my head! |
| 02:34.17 | IskatuMesk | the deployment is a bit weird, but companies get away with a lot worse regularly |
| 02:34.26 | Kueken | :) |
| 02:40.13 | sharf | does someone know a tutorial to make like....an area effect ability, kind of like the nova black from WoL, but instead of damage, adds an effect to the units? |
| 02:43.34 | sharf | blast* wow |
| 02:43.46 | Reaperguyver | how do I get the editor to leave my if then elses closed? |
| 02:44.21 | Kueken | sharf: by "adds an effect to units" you mean something like a debuff, a slow maybe? |
| 02:44.49 | sharf | yeah, my idea is to slow/damage over time |
| 02:44.52 | sharf | a frost blast spell |
| 02:45.04 | sharf | I assume |
| 02:45.09 | sharf | it's a search area |
| 02:45.12 | sharf | and apply buff |
| 02:45.15 | Kueken | indeed it is :) |
| 02:45.31 | Kueken | thats basically 90% of the spell already |
| 02:45.43 | sharf | lol well |
| 02:46.04 | sharf | I can give it a shot |
| 02:46.07 | sharf | will be my first |
| 02:46.35 | Kueken | I don't know, if a tutorial for such a spell exists, since it is very basic |
| 02:47.24 | Kueken | if you don't mess with actors for now, it should be quite easy to figure out |
| 02:47.41 | sharf | yeah... |
| 02:47.50 | sharf | I'll give it a shot |
| 02:49.24 | sharf | ok so... |
| 02:49.31 | sharf | adding areas to my search effect |
| 02:49.33 | sharf | 2 questions |
| 02:49.56 | sharf | if I want 3 levels to this ability, will 3 areas be used for those? |
| 02:50.10 | sharf | or will I need 3 search effects? |
| 02:59.39 | Kueken | sharf: depends on how you realize your levels. |
| 03:00.01 | sharf | using a learn ability |
| 03:00.05 | Kueken | for standard leveling procedures, you need the entire effect chain 3 times |
| 03:02.04 | sharf | ok then next question |
| 03:02.22 | sharf | what exactly does the radius, and radius bonus do, and the max count? |
| 03:04.00 | Kueken | radius should be clear, radius bonus is added if the effect is execute dmultiple times in the effect chain, for example by a persistent to easily create an expanding area search, and the max count limits the maximum number of targets hit by the search |
| 03:05.33 | sharf | ok so if I wanted something to start at say a radius of 3 |
| 03:05.36 | sharf | and expand to 10 |
| 03:05.51 | sharf | I would do radius 3, bonus 1, max count 7? |
| 03:06.42 | Kueken | the max count limits the number of targets hit |
| 03:06.52 | Kueken | it doesn't execute the effect multiple times |
| 03:07.03 | sharf | oh ok |
| 03:07.06 | Kueken | you would need a Create Persistent effect to do that |
| 03:07.23 | sharf | with multiple periods? |
| 03:07.49 | Kueken | you can use 1 period, |
| 03:08.15 | Kueken | just increase the period count |
| 03:08.24 | sharf | that's what I meant |
| 03:08.31 | Kueken | okay ;) |
| 03:08.49 | sharf | and the radius bonus will be added for each period count? |
| 03:08.50 | Kueken | I though you wanted to just add multiple entries to period duration |
| 03:08.54 | Kueken | exactly |
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| 03:09.15 | sharf | ok so radius 1, bonus 1, period count 10, will go from 1-2, 2-3, etc. up to 10? |
| 03:09.20 | Kueken | yes |
| 03:09.38 | sharf | and the only real advantage to that is for the effect of things expanding, correct? |
| 03:09.42 | Kueken | you probably want a period duration, since you wouldn't notice a difference otherwise |
| 03:09.52 | sharf | just setting it to 10 has the same ultimate outcome |
| 03:09.54 | sharf | right |
| 03:09.55 | Kueken | its one of the use, yes |
| 03:10.08 | Kueken | *uses |
| 03:10.20 | sharf | mmk |
| 03:10.50 | Kueken | it can be helpful for other things, for example if combined with periodic offsets, you can easily create cone-shaped blasts |
| 03:10.59 | sharf | so ability calls the persistent, the persistent calls the search, then the search the final effect? |
| 03:11.08 | sharf | like |
| 03:11.10 | sharf | the debuf? |
| 03:11.13 | Kueken | yes |
| 03:11.21 | sharf | ok cool lets give this a shot |
| 03:11.38 | Kueken | if you just want an aerial blast, you won't need the persistent, though, but I assume you got that |
| 03:11.54 | sharf | what do you mean? |
| 03:12.50 | Kueken | if you just want the slow in an area, you don't need the persistent, you can jsut execute the search. The persistent and radius bonus stuff is optional and only provides the expanding |
| 03:13.03 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg, would it be cruel to allow science vessels to repair PDD? :3 |
| 03:13.07 | IskatuMesk | and the turrets |
| 03:13.19 | Kueken | nah |
| 03:13.22 | sharf | right, I want the expandng (to later coincide with an actor) |
| 03:13.29 | Kueken | cruel would be a beam, which adds shields to them ;) |
| 03:13.43 | IskatuMesk | well there'll be an advanced raven with drones that have mana recharge beams |
| 03:13.52 | IskatuMesk | giving them lots of mana for many missiles :3 |
| 03:17.56 | sharf | ok I must be retarded |
| 03:18.11 | sharf | how do I apply an effect/behavior/w/e on the search effect? |
| 03:19.24 | Kueken | add an area to the search and execute an Apply Behavior effect with this area |
| 03:19.41 | Kueken | then add the behavior you wish to apply to the Apply Behavior effect |
| 03:26.06 | sharf | oh ok |
| 03:26.09 | sharf | the effect is in the area |
| 03:27.21 | sharf | can I make a unit take damage every x amount of time via a debuff? |
| 03:28.12 | sharf | duh |
| 03:28.15 | sharf | nevermind |
| 03:28.15 | sharf | lol |
| 03:34.14 | sharf | ok well now I'm confused... |
| 03:34.33 | sharf | I set it to an effect - instant ability |
| 03:34.39 | sharf | and.... |
| 03:34.43 | sharf | in game it keeps asking me for a target? |
| 03:45.22 | Kueken | the targeting is determined by the first effect in the chain |
| 03:45.44 | Kueken | if you use effect-instant, you probably want the blast centered around the caster, right? |
| 03:46.22 | Kueken | in this case, you should probably set the Target Location field of the persistent to Caster Point |
| 03:47.08 | Kueken | or Source Point or Origin Point (or even Target Point, it doesn't make a difference here) |
| 03:47.27 | Kueken | *shouldn*t |
| 03:51.56 | sharf | ok |
| 03:52.02 | sharf | the targeting thing |
| 03:52.04 | sharf | was the hotkey was a |
| 03:52.08 | sharf | so I kept attacking |
| 03:52.13 | sharf | was being stupid and tired lol |
| 03:52.17 | sharf | it works now |
| 03:52.18 | sharf | but |
| 03:52.26 | sharf | the radius is MASSIVE lol |
| 03:52.32 | sharf | is there a good way to like... |
| 03:52.37 | sharf | visualize in game the size? |
| 03:57.39 | Kueken | you could add a range actor |
| 04:06.02 | JademusSreg | Mesk, pointless to repair PDD. |
| 04:06.24 | JademusSreg | Now give them energy and extend their timed life -and- repair, that would be killer. |
| 04:06.25 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 04:09.42 | sharf | ok so |
| 04:09.51 | sharf | I got the ability "working" time to add actors |
| 04:10.15 | sharf | I like the nova (the xel'naga artifact) blast thing....my best bet for using that is just to scale it right? |
| 04:13.23 | IskatuMesk | well the life with the upgrade is pretty high |
| 04:18.17 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 04:18.35 | sharf | what type of actor would I use to apply a buff graphic to a unit? |
| 04:18.45 | JademusSreg | BuffContinuous |
| 04:18.48 | JademusSreg | Model type. |
| 04:18.49 | sharf | ty |
| 04:18.57 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli (~qqqq@dslb-092-073-205-190.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 04:18.58 | JademusSreg | BuffContinuous is the parent you'd want use. |
| 04:19.12 | sharf | yeah I just |
| 04:19.13 | JademusSreg | Or the custom parent I use. |
| 04:19.18 | sharf | haven't done actors in a while |
| 04:19.21 | sharf | so I forgot |
| 04:19.23 | sharf | lol |
| 04:20.58 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/Rt82CZSx |
| 04:22.17 | sharf | ok so |
| 04:22.28 | sharf | what do I need to do to make this work... |
| 04:22.30 | sharf | I tried |
| 04:22.34 | sharf | behavior.Frost.On |
| 04:22.35 | sharf | create |
| 04:22.41 | sharf | but it doesn't do anything |
| 04:23.17 | JademusSreg | These are parents I use; GraphicBehavior is used as a parent to allow the actor events to be configured from a Behavior token. The host and host site ops are configured to attach the model to the appropriate unit. |
| 04:23.50 | sharf | lost me |
| 04:24.06 | JademusSreg | Did you check the link? |
| 04:24.12 | sharf | yes |
| 04:25.37 | JademusSreg | You may use it, or you may set the Host and HostSiteOperations of your model actor to _Selectable and SOpAttachCenter respectively. |
| 04:27.07 | sharf | what do you mean _Selectable? |
| 04:27.08 | sharf | like |
| 04:27.15 | sharf | where do I find/input that? |
| 04:27.24 | JademusSreg | It's the actor Host. |
| 04:27.36 | sharf | right |
| 04:27.37 | sharf | but |
| 04:27.42 | sharf | scope? |
| 04:27.44 | sharf | subject? |
| 04:27.46 | JademusSreg | Under the Alias tab. |
| 04:28.08 | sharf | gotcha |
| 04:28.15 | sharf | what does that actually do/mean though? |
| 04:28.20 | sharf | so I understand what's happening? |
| 04:28.47 | JademusSreg | Er, you see the actor right? |
| 04:29.08 | JademusSreg | Model actor, parent BuffContinuous? |
| 04:29.13 | sharf | yes |
| 04:29.15 | sharf | I set it |
| 04:29.18 | sharf | to _selectable |
| 04:29.34 | JademusSreg | Oh, you want to understand what it's doing. |
| 04:29.38 | sharf | yes |
| 04:29.54 | JademusSreg | Scroll to the top of the actor, notice the aliases field. |
| 04:30.42 | sharf | yes, and btw, that did not make it show up |
| 04:31.01 | sharf | might be my events |
| 04:31.12 | JademusSreg | The aliases are special tags that mark the actor, like unit actors have _Unit and _Selectable. |
| 04:31.18 | JademusSreg | (Usually) |
| 04:32.04 | JademusSreg | So when the actor wants to find its host, it looks for the _Selectable alias. |
| 04:33.04 | sharf | hmm |
| 04:33.06 | sharf | ok |
| 04:33.12 | sharf | so...I have |
| 04:33.18 | sharf | behavior.frost.create |
| 04:33.24 | sharf | and then under that I have create |
| 04:33.26 | sharf | but it's not working |
| 04:33.33 | JademusSreg | The HostSiteOperations operates on the host site supporting the actor, which effectively defines how it attaches. |
| 04:33.44 | Kueken | jade, you use a buff(continuous) parent for a one-shot spell effect? |
| 04:33.45 | sharf | that part I got |
| 04:33.54 | JademusSreg | Use Behavior.X.On, not Create. |
| 04:34.00 | JademusSreg | Kueken, hell no. =D |
| 04:34.02 | sharf | I did thta originally |
| 04:34.04 | JademusSreg | Or do I? |
| 04:34.04 | Kueken | ah, its for the slow? |
| 04:34.06 | sharf | it did not work either :x |
| 04:34.19 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/Rt82CZSx |
| 04:34.24 | Kueken | he mentioned the artifact nova blast earlier |
| 04:34.38 | JademusSreg | GraphicEffectSource parents from BuffOneShot, rather than BuffContinuous. |
| 04:34.38 | Kueken | so I just assumed, its about the blast graphics |
| 04:34.51 | Kueken | I might be wrong |
| 04:35.14 | JademusSreg | He said it was for a behavior, didn't know anything about the design. |
| 04:35.56 | Kueken | alright, so I probably misunderstood |
| 04:36.25 | sharf | I'm doing the effect for the frozen unit |
| 04:36.27 | sharf | current;y |
| 04:36.30 | sharf | currently* |
| 04:36.44 | Kueken | quite some models do not work so well when used as a continuous animation, though |
| 04:36.52 | Kueken | which model are you trying to use? |
| 04:36.55 | JademusSreg | Sharf, is the behavior being applied? |
| 04:37.05 | sharf | yes |
| 04:37.18 | sharf | and fml...kueken just made me remember |
| 04:37.28 | sharf | the effect I'm using doesn't show up on my graphics settings... |
| 04:37.34 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 04:37.37 | Kueken | :) |
| 04:37.42 | sharf | the dange burrow effects |
| 04:37.46 | sharf | don't show up on low |
| 04:37.50 | sharf | I might change the model then.. |
| 04:37.59 | sharf | hmm |
| 04:38.08 | sharf | could I set the tint of an actor |
| 04:38.15 | sharf | without having to edit each actor |
| 04:38.19 | sharf | that could possibly be frozen? |
| 04:38.35 | Kueken | you can send an actor message to the host of an attached actor |
| 04:39.02 | Kueken | (thats a Yes= |
| 04:39.04 | Kueken | ) |
| 04:39.49 | sharf | how would I do that? |
| 04:40.00 | Kueken | does your buff actor work now? |
| 04:40.09 | Kueken | you can add the message to it |
| 04:40.19 | sharf | right |
| 04:40.23 | sharf | what message type? |
| 04:40.24 | sharf | or |
| 04:40.29 | sharf | how do I send it to the other actor? |
| 04:40.30 | JademusSreg | Kueken, unrelated, have you tinkered with UI layouts? |
| 04:40.43 | Kueken | nope, Jade, didn't touch them yet |
| 04:41.03 | Kueken | sharf first set it up like you would want to tint the current actor |
| 04:41.11 | Kueken | so actor creation -> set tint color |
| 04:41.21 | sharf | done |
| 04:41.33 | Kueken | then select the topmost field for the message |
| 04:41.36 | Kueken | it is called Target |
| 04:41.42 | Kueken | you can enter a string |
| 04:41.47 | Kueken | found it? |
| 04:41.50 | sharf | yes |
| 04:42.06 | Kueken | enter following string: |
| 04:42.09 | Kueken | ::Main |
| 04:42.23 | sharf | that all? |
| 04:42.26 | Kueken | yes |
| 04:42.49 | Kueken | you will need to add a 2nd message to reset the tint when the behavior stops |
| 04:42.59 | sharf | mhm |
| 04:43.01 | Kueken | so actor destruction -> reset tint |
| 04:43.04 | Ahli | JademusSreg: I did. |
| 04:43.05 | sharf | already ahead of you :P |
| 04:43.13 | Kueken | and same deal with the target field |
| 04:43.22 | Kueken | alright ;) |
| 04:43.31 | JademusSreg | Ahli, just wondering who can make use of the research I'm conducting. |
| 04:43.37 | sharf | testing |
| 04:44.16 | sharf | grrr |
| 04:44.18 | sharf | nothing |
| 04:44.26 | JademusSreg | These are the supported elements for the few frame types I've tested: https://pastee.org/ve7as |
| 04:44.31 | Kueken | did you confirm your actor is even created? |
| 04:44.47 | sharf | no... >.> sigh was just assuming |
| 04:44.56 | Kueken | like using a marine model or something obvious that would definitely show up? |
| 04:45.08 | JademusSreg | Pastebin the xml. |
| 04:45.10 | JademusSreg | gogogo |
| 04:45.24 | sharf | doing that now |
| 04:45.26 | sharf | then I'll do the xml |
| 04:45.34 | sharf | set it to maar |
| 04:45.37 | sharf | that'll be obvious lol |
| 04:45.56 | sharf | well shit |
| 04:46.05 | sharf | I just accidentally found a glitch in my map |
| 04:46.05 | sharf | lol |
| 04:46.29 | sharf | LOL! |
| 04:46.32 | sharf | that looks so strange |
| 04:46.34 | sharf | but yeah |
| 04:46.37 | sharf | maar showed up |
| 04:47.09 | Kueken | then pastebin the xml, gogo :) |
| 04:47.36 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:47.53 | sharf | http://pastebin.com/QshbyLyS |
| 04:49.03 | Ahli | well, the wiki could require an overview of all frame types and all fields... I can pull those from the ingame UI editor (with educated name guessing, if name too long). |
| 04:49.05 | Kueken | Jade, do you see a mistake? |
| 04:49.11 | JademusSreg | I do not. |
| 04:49.11 | Kueken | looks okay to me |
| 04:49.16 | Kueken | strange |
| 04:49.29 | Kueken | does referencing ::Main not work anymore? |
| 04:49.31 | sharf | well that makes me feel good lol |
| 04:49.38 | Kueken | try _Selectable insted |
| 04:50.22 | Repo | New asset: Flash Freeze Code [HotS] - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/flash-freeze-code-hots/ |
| 04:50.28 | JademusSreg | Ahli, as I recall, the in-game frame view only shows frame fields that have had their values set. |
| 04:51.09 | Ahli | uhm, no. I don't think they put rotation into every image because they don't use rotation I believe |
| 04:51.16 | sharf | nope |
| 04:51.44 | Kueken | alright, time to try myself ;) |
| 04:51.49 | Ahli | well, I was able to pull all properties for the shieldedhealthbar myself with that |
| 04:51.55 | JademusSreg | I can set the Texture of a Label frame via dialog control shit, amd Texture field will be displayed in the in-game UI editor. |
| 04:52.47 | JademusSreg | Alsom what are you saying about rotation? |
| 04:52.50 | JademusSreg | * |
| 04:52.52 | JademusSreg | Also |
| 04:53.25 | Ahli | just an example as a field property that I just looked up before this |
| 04:53.47 | JademusSreg | The point is to determine all the valid elements for each Frame type, and so far it goes very well. |
| 04:55.06 | Ahli | how do you determine them? |
| 04:55.14 | JademusSreg | The most elusive element is DisplayType; it is supported by Button but it's not clear what its attributes are; either the options are not apparent or val is not a supported attribute for that element. |
| 04:55.33 | Kueken | sharf: in my map, it works flawlessly |
| 04:55.43 | sharf | of course |
| 04:55.47 | Kueken | :) |
| 04:56.02 | sharf | well wtf |
| 04:56.04 | JademusSreg | I determine which are valid by adding all the elements to a frame type and seeing which ones don't throw errors. =D |
| 04:56.13 | sharf | so.... |
| 04:56.15 | sharf | what now? |
| 04:56.22 | Ahli | where did you get all the elements? |
| 04:56.37 | JademusSreg | I did a string dump on the editor memory. |
| 04:56.39 | Kueken | http://pastebin.com/DEfDCWzx |
| 04:56.42 | Kueken | no idea |
| 04:56.53 | Kueken | ah |
| 04:57.00 | Kueken | your on terms are different |
| 04:57.11 | Kueken | yours are Create and Destroy |
| 04:57.15 | Ahli | k :D |
| 04:57.17 | JademusSreg | Once I identified the range or memory addresses with the elements, I targeted those specifically and did a more precise string dump, then parsed the elements. |
| 04:57.22 | Kueken | mine are ActorCreation and ActorDestruction |
| 04:57.28 | JademusSreg | *of |
| 04:57.42 | Ahli | since the editor needs to parse them, they need to exist in the editor's strings |
| 04:57.45 | JademusSreg | Even then, it's -not- the completel ist. |
| 04:57.57 | JademusSreg | Only the ones I managed to identify from the memory. |
| 04:58.21 | sharf | Kueken, people who help me a ton are getting their name in my Thanks to: section, what name do you want me to use? |
| 04:58.47 | sharf | also, that fixed it |
| 04:59.12 | Kueken | I don't care too much about credits. If you insist (and your keyboard can handle Umlauts) use Küken, otherwise Kueken |
| 04:59.20 | Kueken | but you don't really have to |
| 04:59.28 | sharf | I know :) |
| 04:59.38 | sharf | but I like to |
| 04:59.50 | Ahli | I assume that you don't find frames within the leaderpanel for slots, do you? ;D somehow Blizzard made the raws appear opposite sides. So I assume that they alter data in layouts that don't appear in their default layouts |
| 05:00.11 | JademusSreg | Clarify. |
| 05:00.54 | Ahli | blizzard had that video where they showed the new interface feature in action? |
| 05:00.59 | Ahli | do you know it? |
| 05:01.19 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 05:01.36 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Zn3-O4jYO7g#t=285s here |
| 05:01.52 | Ahli | the top area shows stuff from the leaderpanel |
| 05:02.08 | sharf | anyone now what ability the disease cloud model is used for? |
| 05:02.14 | Ahli | well, I'm struggling to recreate that |
| 05:02.35 | Ahli | for example their leaderpanel player rows are on the left and on the right side of the screen |
| 05:03.46 | JademusSreg | I'm looking at the LeaderPanel layout in np++. What was the initial question regarding? |
| 05:04.01 | Ahli | only the "LeaderPanelProductionFrameSlotTemplate" exists and it's not used in the layouts. But they can't have used that as it is only left oriented |
| 05:04.30 | JademusSreg | Exists? |
| 05:04.55 | Ahli | they create the frame template, but it's not used |
| 05:05.27 | Ahli | as the leaderpanel should be generated by their code and not via layouts. But somehow they were able to alter the layouts for it |
| 05:06.03 | JademusSreg | I see that template and others in the file. |
| 05:06.18 | Ahli | also they are able to show different stats like units/production/income at once without hiding all other frames |
| 05:07.03 | Ahli | the question is, how did they do what they showed in the video with that as a base ;) |
| 05:07.14 | JademusSreg | I assume the hardcode dynamically assigns a text value to the labels that explicitly lack text values. |
| 05:07.21 | Ahli | for all other things, they added frames for each button/image to be altered |
| 05:08.17 | JademusSreg | UnitTotalLabel for instance has no Text value; it makes sense it would be used to display a value, set dynamically. |
| 05:09.37 | JademusSreg | Though perhaps I do not understand the question. |
| 05:10.08 | Ahli | the content of these things are created dynamically, yes |
| 05:10.22 | Ahli | and the buttones, etc. But they altered where the second row is |
| 05:10.28 | Ahli | and they altered its orientation |
| 05:10.51 | Ahli | 1. one: left->right, 2. one: left<-right |
| 05:12.14 | JademusSreg | Are observer uis limited entirely to layout and such modifications, or does it permit triggers? |
| 05:13.23 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7593742229?page=1 |
| 05:13.33 | JademusSreg | I'll dig into the leaderpanel frames next, just for you. |
| 05:13.46 | JademusSreg | If it doesn't turn up anything interesting, I'll look into the memory. |
| 05:14.03 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 05:15.02 | Reaperguyver | how do I tell the editor to leave my if then else statements closed? I'm tired of switching triggers and having all of them open again? |
| 05:20.58 | sharf | would I be able to give a unit "two" weapons, as in, I want the zealot to have main hand damage, and offhand damage |
| 05:34.23 | Kueken | Reaperguyver: I think, thats impossible unfortunately |
| 05:34.49 | Kueken | sharf: that depends, many variables for this one. |
| 05:35.07 | Kueken | in general yes, you can add multiple weapons to a unit |
| 05:35.15 | sharf | what I want... |
| 05:35.17 | sharf | I guess |
| 05:35.24 | sharf | is instead of just giving him 2 attacks |
| 05:35.34 | Kueken | however, there are some potential issues, if all of them can hit the same targets at the same time |
| 05:35.37 | sharf | I want one to do more than the other (and have an ability alter the %) |
| 05:35.47 | Kueken | okay |
| 05:36.09 | sharf | wouldn't |
| 05:36.20 | sharf | the effect |
| 05:36.24 | sharf | has periods |
| 05:36.29 | sharf | and period effects |
| 05:36.39 | sharf | can I apply 1 to the first period |
| 05:36.43 | sharf | and another to the second? |
| 05:37.05 | Kueken | yep, that would probably be the easiest solution |
| 05:37.37 | sharf | hmm.... |
| 05:37.52 | Kueken | buffing one of the effects separately is only possible via upgrades/triggers, though |
| 05:38.02 | sharf | hmm |
| 05:38.02 | Kueken | unless you make them use different damage types |
| 05:38.08 | sharf | the idea was |
| 05:38.12 | Kueken | and buff these damage types separately |
| 05:38.21 | sharf | level 0 of this ability |
| 05:38.30 | sharf | 90% of one weapon, 10% of the other |
| 05:38.33 | sharf | damage I mean |
| 05:38.38 | sharf | level 1 was 100 and 20 |
| 05:38.50 | sharf | level 2 would be 110 and 30, and then 3 would be 120 and 40 |
| 05:39.05 | sharf | and I wanted to add more depth then just a % damage increase |
| 05:39.17 | sharf | because if it is 2 weapons/attacks, that is not powerful |
| 05:39.22 | sharf | as just a flat out increase |
| 05:40.20 | Kueken | if you want a spell to deal a percentage of a weapon, and the weapon can be buffed by behaviors or items etc, you will have to use triggers |
| 05:40.35 | Kueken | data is fairly limited for dynamic damage calculations |
| 05:40.38 | sharf | might be easier just to make the ability different :P |
| 05:40.39 | sharf | yes |
| 05:40.42 | sharf | I know -._ |
| 05:40.49 | sharf | screwed that up... |
| 05:40.50 | sharf | oh well |
| 05:40.51 | sharf | lol |
| 05:41.00 | sharf | I had to make my critical strike ability via triggers |
| 05:41.19 | Kueken | well, its not impossible, and its not all that unreasonable to attempt a trigger solution |
| 05:41.28 | sharf | true |
| 05:41.31 | sharf | but |
| 05:41.53 | sharf | it is almost 2 am here, and I got little sleep last night |
| 05:41.57 | Kueken | :) |
| 05:41.59 | sharf | and I have to get up again soon :P |
| 05:42.02 | sharf | damn mapping |
| 05:42.11 | Kueken | tell me about it |
| 05:42.11 | Ahli | don't mention time to kueken :D |
| 05:42.15 | Kueken | 6 am here ;) |
| 05:42.25 | Ahli | almost 7am |
| 05:42.28 | sharf | was what...3:30 last night I got off? |
| 05:42.31 | sharf | lol |
| 05:42.34 | sharf | are you still up |
| 05:42.38 | sharf | or just getting up? |
| 05:42.49 | Ahli | still |
| 05:42.54 | Kueken | well, considering we are talking for a couple of hours probably... |
| 05:43.04 | sharf | yeah yeah |
| 05:43.10 | sharf | I thought of that after I said it |
| 05:43.10 | sharf | lol |
| 05:43.15 | sharf | you guys got me beat |
| 05:43.15 | IskatuMesk | http://i.imgur.com/pDEYopH.jpg now nearing final version I reckon |
| 05:43.19 | sharf | how can you do that? lol |
| 05:43.32 | Kueken | broken day/night rythm atm |
| 05:43.38 | Kueken | happens from time to time :p |
| 05:43.43 | sharf | lol |
| 05:43.47 | Ahli | indeed... also you can lower the sleep requirements to only a few hours |
| 05:44.13 | Kueken | I cannot function without enough sleep |
| 05:44.18 | Ahli | I'm sleeping like 4-7 hours only... |
| 05:44.38 | Kueken | luckily there are still some days left where I can repair my rythm :D |
| 05:45.01 | IskatuMesk | I sleep 10-14 hours |
| 05:45.11 | sharf | I sleep 4-5 |
| 05:45.14 | Kueken | IskatuMesk: everytime you post a picture, I am like "and whats different now?" |
| 05:45.15 | sharf | usually |
| 05:45.16 | IskatuMesk | and my cycle shifts from nocturnal to normal every few days |
| 05:45.19 | sharf | catch up on the weekends |
| 05:45.23 | IskatuMesk | yeah, lots of little details |
| 05:45.27 | sharf | you on vacaton or somethin kueken? |
| 05:45.28 | Kueken | but when I think back to the first one, its probably a lot |
| 05:45.38 | Ahli | at least I repaired my odd rythm I had in december: sleep for a bit every 12 hours |
| 05:45.40 | IskatuMesk | the ornamental bridge area, the front |
| 05:45.50 | IskatuMesk | between this and the last |
| 05:45.55 | Kueken | university |
| 05:45.57 | IskatuMesk | small nitpicks mostly |
| 05:46.07 | Kueken | next classes don't start until april for me |
| 05:46.36 | Reaperguyver | Is there an event I can use that can cover units being constructed and buing upgraded in terms of like spire-> greater spire? |
| 05:47.04 | sharf | ah |
| 05:47.13 | sharf | I'm in college |
| 05:47.18 | sharf | but my classes end in april :P |
| 05:47.51 | Kueken | Reaperguyver: did you look at the events for the spire or greater spire? ;) |
| 05:47.52 | sharf | ok well I need to close this shit down or I will never get any sleep |
| 05:47.54 | sharf | ttyl all |
| 05:48.02 | Kueken | bye |
| 05:48.08 | *** part/#sc2mapster sharf (~sharf@stu-237-155-171-184.champlain.edu) |
| 05:48.29 | JademusSreg | Back for a bit. |
| 05:48.34 | Reaperguyver | No. I can get it to do either one or the other as an event. I can use unit is constructed or unit uses ability but not both for what i would like them to do. |
| 05:49.36 | Reaperguyver | difference is another trigger and I probably have too many already... lol |
| 05:49.56 | JademusSreg | The lizard eagle has landed. |
| 05:50.07 | Eagles | wat pls |
| 05:50.31 | JademusSreg | Refering to Mesk's model. |
| 05:50.47 | JademusSreg | They invariably look like animals to me. |
| 05:51.26 | Reaperguyver | 32 triggers isn't that bad I guess. |
| 05:51.33 | JademusSreg | To do what? |
| 05:52.25 | Eagles | How can I refer to the Unit Owner of an attacked unit? Owner of Triggering Unit returns 16 (because it is a computer, im guessing) is there any more strict way to refer to a "player" |
| 05:52.45 | JademusSreg | Er, what? |
| 05:52.48 | IskatuMesk | scratch one LP |
| 05:52.53 | Eagles | how to see # of triggers? |
| 05:52.55 | IskatuMesk | next projekt |
| 05:54.08 | Eagles | I win Reaperguyver, I have 30! |
| 05:56.24 | Reaperguyver | Well.... |
| 05:56.27 | Reaperguyver | Still reducing. |
| 05:56.40 | Reaperguyver | and some of them are leaderboard crap |
| 05:57.18 | Reaperguyver | make a tug o war map based on a wc3 map lol |
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| 05:58.42 | IskatuMesk | I'll encode dev 8, record the other half of this review, and prepare my thread edits I guess |
| 06:10.09 | Eagles | What Triggers version are you on Reaperguyver? |
| 06:11.54 | ThunderLord | who here knows anything about statistics? |
| 06:15.58 | Kueken | had a class about it |
| 06:16.05 | Kueken | but I pretty much hate it ;) |
| 06:17.00 | ThunderLord | lol |
| 06:17.31 | JademusSreg | It's a tool for modeling classes of complex systems for which it is impractical or impossible to approach deterministically, that through the aggregation of data and observations of their relationships enables an understanding of systems otherwise beyond the scope of isolated human experience? |
| 06:18.26 | ThunderLord | well i wana know, given a set of X items, if you pick a random item, and then add it back to the set, and repeat 8 times, what is the probability that any element is picked more than 1 time |
| 06:18.34 | ThunderLord | and yes Jade XD |
| 06:20.45 | IskatuMesk | I just model complex asses |
| 06:20.51 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 06:21.31 | Eagles | Can I change the height of my skybox? |
| 06:22.43 | IskatuMesk | despite all the disgusting things I've put myself through, at least I've never put myself through diablo 3. That is one tiny shred of my tattered soul I will not lose. I refuse. |
| 06:22.51 | IskatuMesk | even though I have an event named after me. |
| 06:24.09 | IskatuMesk | also the new DMC. |
| 06:24.12 | IskatuMesk | I'm stopping at 4. |
| 06:24.31 | Kueken | new dmc was quite fun for me |
| 06:24.45 | IskatuMesk | hiss |
| 06:24.56 | Kueken | I didn't care about the character change |
| 06:25.08 | Kueken | the story was weak, the characters shallow |
| 06:25.19 | IskatuMesk | watching its casual gameplay was like lacerating my thousand penises with a searing whip of molten cheese |
| 06:25.25 | Kueken | but the gameplay was fun and entertaining and the level design was quite nice |
| 06:25.47 | Kueken | well, dmc was always too hard for me ;) |
| 06:25.52 | IskatuMesk | whaat |
| 06:25.53 | IskatuMesk | which one |
| 06:25.54 | IskatuMesk | 3? |
| 06:26.13 | Kueken | 4, I couldn't handle dante must die |
| 06:26.22 | IskatuMesk | 3 is pretty much what I would expect for an entry level ARPG, 1 and 2 were way too easy |
| 06:26.36 | IskatuMesk | but I haven't gotten too far in 3 yet |
| 06:26.38 | Kueken | I heard 1 and 2 were harder than 3 o_0 |
| 06:26.40 | IskatuMesk | and I don't know what 4 is |
| 06:26.43 | IskatuMesk | nah |
| 06:26.46 | IskatuMesk | 2 is effortlessly easy |
| 06:26.53 | IskatuMesk | 1 is pretty easy, I died like... 6 times maybe? |
| 06:27.05 | IskatuMesk | but then again, I was battlehardened |
| 06:27.09 | Kueken | well, 4 was okay but dmd was brutal |
| 06:27.11 | IskatuMesk | maybe casuals would have some trouble |
| 06:27.18 | IskatuMesk | but are decent games though, I liked 1 |
| 06:27.20 | Kueken | I am definitely casual |
| 06:27.25 | IskatuMesk | hee |
| 06:28.02 | Kueken | for the newest part, I didn't like that the main factor to increase difficulty was immunity to certain weapon types, though |
| 06:28.10 | Kueken | bad move imo |
| 06:28.35 | IskatuMesk | yeah. |
| 06:28.41 | IskatuMesk | the weapon system sounded like a huge mess |
| 06:28.56 | Kueken | the system was nice, I think |
| 06:28.57 | IskatuMesk | too bad good arpgs are so few and far inbetween |
| 06:29.06 | Kueken | the weapons themselves were a mess |
| 06:29.08 | IskatuMesk | whatever you do, stay away from conan |
| 06:29.21 | JademusSreg | Well, the probability of picking one specific item from the set at random is 1/n. The probability that item is not picked is n-1/n. The probability of picking that item twice from the set at random is (1/n)^2=(1/n)*(1/n). The probability of picking it once AND not 8 times is 1/n*((n-1/n)^8). |
| 06:29.22 | Eagles | How do I remove the underlying tileset, so the skybox is visible? |
| 06:29.24 | IskatuMesk | protect your soul |
| 06:30.16 | Kueken | I liked the way you would select and switch weapons a lot more than in dmc4 |
| 06:30.32 | JademusSreg | At least that's what I reason, Thund; I didn't take statistics. |
| 06:30.33 | Kueken | was more intuitive for me |
| 06:30.46 | IskatuMesk | the rocket launcher in 2 is so hilariously overpowered |
| 06:30.51 | IskatuMesk | well, ranged in general is hideously overpowered |
| 06:30.57 | Kueken | never played anything before 4 |
| 06:31.00 | Kueken | :) |
| 06:31.03 | IskatuMesk | o rlyyyyyy |
| 06:31.11 | Reaperguyver | What's the best way to control pathing? |
| 06:31.12 | IskatuMesk | 3 looks like it will be a great game so far, but I'm very early in |
| 06:31.20 | Kueken | well, in 4 the ranged weapon charged shot is overpowered as well |
| 06:31.24 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 06:32.28 | Reaperguyver | .... |
| 06:32.52 | Kueken | "What's the best way to control pathing?" |
| 06:32.53 | Reaperguyver | lol couldn't find my post thought this crashed again |
| 06:32.58 | Reaperguyver | yeah like |
| 06:33.09 | Reaperguyver | my units keep running along bottom even thought the top path is closer |
| 06:33.27 | Reaperguyver | is you were to cut a map in half length wise it's preferring bottom half over top half. |
| 06:33.52 | Kueken | pathing blocker an option? |
| 06:34.03 | IskatuMesk | in 2, in devil trigger, you press square and the screen basically dies |
| 06:34.13 | Kueken | if not, just add some waypoints |
| 06:34.25 | IskatuMesk | I usually would scream I AM A WIZARD I AM A WIZARD AHAHAHAHAHA |
| 06:34.28 | Reaperguyver | thought about that but that also blocks building I think. |
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| 06:34.39 | Reaperguyver | I'll try the pahting anyhow. |
| 06:34.52 | Kueken | in 5 in devil trigger, all enemies get launched and stay airborne for a LONG time |
| 06:35.39 | Kueken | and you can like punch them on the ground and instead of landing, they bounce off in the air again :D |
| 06:35.50 | Kueken | quite fun, actually |
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| 06:37.14 | IskatuMesk | sounds like an ability I'm going to give a miniboss in my campaign |
| 06:37.46 | Kueken | give your main character a bullet time please :D |
| 06:37.59 | Kueken | slowing the entire map, even sound effects etc |
| 06:38.00 | Reaperguyver | lol |
| 06:38.09 | IskatuMesk | is that doable through data? |
| 06:38.24 | Kueken | you can alter the pitch of most sound effects to sound slow |
| 06:38.25 | Reaperguyver | I'll just make two regions and use that. |
| 06:38.42 | Reaperguyver | one for top one for bot and use them as way point. |
| 06:38.48 | Kueken | and you can apply buffs globally to turn down time scale |
| 06:38.53 | Kueken | I played around with it |
| 06:39.03 | IskatuMesk | it would fit his skills for sure |
| 06:39.11 | IskatuMesk | particularly later on |
| 06:39.17 | Kueken | it works sort of, but I could not do it without editing like every single sound effect etc for it |
| 06:39.58 | Kueken | it would most likely be a ton of work |
| 06:41.50 | IskatuMesk | yes especially when I add all my new stuff |
| 06:41.54 | Kueken | https://dl.dropbox.com/s/oe58v0u1qo95qa5/SlowMotion.SC2Map |
| 06:41.59 | Kueken | try it :p |
| 06:43.01 | Reaperguyver | Okay so if I state a condition at the start of an if then and I add if then else into it I do not need to restate the original condition do I? |
| 06:43.07 | Kueken | damn, I should have tested it :/ |
| 06:43.15 | Kueken | it doesn't work properly |
| 06:44.11 | IskatuMesk | :( |
| 06:44.36 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 06:45.06 | Reaperguyver | Welcome back. |
| 06:45.33 | Reaperguyver | I'm still having trouble understand how to call a player on a team into a condition >.< |
| 06:46.22 | Reaperguyver | and apparently english as well. |
| 06:47.45 | Kueken | apparently the SoundSetPitch actor message works differently in HotS |
| 06:48.26 | Reaperguyver | = / |
| 06:48.43 | Kueken | or not at all |
| 06:49.38 | Kueken | hm |
| 06:49.42 | Kueken | works in editor |
| 06:50.52 | JademusSreg | Reap, what's the design? |
| 06:52.27 | IskatuMesk | I wonder if anyone will notice that I axed the CFR halfway through this production |
| 06:52.34 | IskatuMesk | I won't mention it :3 |
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| 06:54.51 | Reaperguyver | uhhh |
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| 06:54.55 | Reaperguyver | unit enter regeon |
| 06:54.58 | Reaperguyver | *region |
| 06:55.23 | Reaperguyver | I just want to check that the owner of the trigger unit is one team 1 or team 2 |
| 06:56.51 | Kueken | player in playergroup(owner of (triggering unit), team 1) == true |
| 06:58.22 | Kueken | hm |
| 06:58.36 | JademusSreg | Design, not implementation. |
| 06:58.47 | JademusSreg | What are you attempting to do, not how are you doing it. |
| 06:58.47 | Kueken | widow mine talking sounds are not bad as a reload sound D: |
| 06:58.51 | Kueken | :D |
| 06:58.59 | Reaperguyver | Sorry I'm bad at asking questions. |
| 06:59.06 | Reaperguyver | but that should do what I wanted thank you. |
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| 07:03.26 | Kueken | does anyone know, if you can prevent a beam from being hidden, when the impact actor is too far away from the launch actor? |
| 07:04.30 | JademusSreg | What's the bounding on the asset? Also, Model data now have a field to set for that, iirc. |
| 07:04.48 | Kueken | I though, I finally found a use for the "Local Offset for 2nd visibility test" field, but it seems to have no effect ;) |
| 07:04.57 | Kueken | bounding on the asset? |
| 07:05.00 | Kueken | whats that? |
| 07:05.40 | IskatuMesk | yeah kueken there's definitely a way to do it, see the drakken beam |
| 07:05.45 | IskatuMesk | but it might be a model setting or something |
| 07:05.46 | JademusSreg | The model asset has a bounding sphere that determines how the range from view it has before it is rendered. |
| 07:06.14 | Kueken | it is definitely model dependant, since like Iskatu pointed out, for the drakken laser drill beam, it works just fine |
| 07:06.57 | JademusSreg | Yeah, looks at the Model Properties in the cutscene editor. |
| 07:07.06 | JademusSreg | OR OBject Properties, whatever the option is. |
| 07:07.33 | JademusSreg | You'll see the info for its bounding sphere. |
| 07:07.58 | Kueken | so its only changeable by model editing? |
| 07:08.21 | Kueken | the model data objects are exactly the same |
| 07:08.21 | JademusSreg | Trouble with beams is their bounding sphere is at the point of origin, so to speak, and not at the attach point bone thing. |
| 07:08.30 | Kueken | yes |
| 07:08.36 | Kueken | figured as much |
| 07:08.56 | Kueken | point defense drone barely makes one screen before it fades |
| 07:09.00 | JademusSreg | Prevents beams from being arbitrarily long, sadly. |
| 07:09.09 | IskatuMesk | edit the models? |
| 07:09.22 | IskatuMesk | maybe you can hex the bounding sphere |
| 07:09.28 | Kueken | I was hoping for something I could do in data ;) |
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| 07:10.03 | Kueken | the Local Offset for 2nd visibility test field sounded so promising :( |
| 07:10.18 | IskatuMesk | I'll have to make new beams anyways |
| 07:10.27 | IskatuMesk | fire beams and lightning that actually looks like lightning |
| 07:11.03 | Kueken | we need a huge public mod with all kinds of generic models like this ;) |
| 07:11.28 | JademusSreg | Yeah, people love downloading GB of assets they don't use. =D |
| 07:11.55 | JademusSreg | Though I must admit I'd enjoy a little nyan cat model. |
| 07:12.25 | Kueken | if you only use a couple of models, you can import them in the map individually, and once it gets some exposure, nobody would need to download it anymore |
| 07:12.37 | IskatuMesk | too bad, the psi destroyer lightning would make good beam weapons, but the lightning they use for kerrigan is awful |
| 07:13.08 | Kueken | did you look at kerrigan's model up close? |
| 07:13.12 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 07:13.12 | Kueken | its pretty ugly |
| 07:13.14 | IskatuMesk | unfortunately |
| 07:13.46 | Kueken | I didn't notice when playing the campaign, so I guess, it doesn't really matter |
| 07:14.01 | Kueken | but now I know why heroes in SC2 are always so small ingame |
| 07:14.04 | IskatuMesk | I noticed her walking animation was really awful, well, most of their animations are awful |
| 07:14.14 | Kueken | in WC3 they used to be huge and noticeable |
| 07:14.28 | IskatuMesk | I am not sure how I'll scale my heroes yet, I'm erring on the side of realistic |
| 07:14.39 | IskatuMesk | but everything will be way higher detail |
| 07:14.43 | Kueken | I prefer bigger heroes |
| 07:20.35 | JademusSreg | So diamond regions were added in the terrain editor, but not to the native API. =\ |
| 07:21.59 | IskatuMesk | diamond regions |
| 07:22.00 | Ahli | just preplace one with every size you need ^^ |
| 07:22.10 | JademusSreg | Hahaha, hacky. |
| 07:22.34 | JademusSreg | Naw, I don't use regions much, in any case. |
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| 07:26.00 | JademusSreg | Did a fresh string dump for the editor and client and am comparing native lists. The editor is far less thorough, it is missing 42 natives the client recognizes. Fortunately most of those are defined in natives.galaxy, anyway. |
| 07:27.17 | Ahli | 42?! |
| 07:27.31 | JademusSreg | Yes, I was amused as well. |
| 07:28.18 | Ahli | something useful in those 42? |
| 07:30.09 | JademusSreg | Not really. Seems to be the editor "forgot" to include them. There was the undocumented PlayerOptionOverride that I found the other day, but it's in both (and protected from abuse). |
| 07:31.30 | JademusSreg | Ah, love seeing my generic signal trigger. <3 |
| 07:32.51 | JademusSreg | I'm pretty sure DisplayType element correlates to the ObservedType property, but haven't found what values it takes. |
| 07:35.23 | JademusSreg | Found some natives. |
| 07:35.46 | JademusSreg | DebugDump DebugFixed DebugInt DebugPoint DebugString DebugUnit |
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| 07:36.48 | JademusSreg | Not listed in the natives, so score 8 for undocumented natives. |
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| 07:40.17 | JademusSreg | I'm curious which ConsoleCommand arguments are valid. |
| 07:40.28 | JademusSreg | Or rather, not restricted. |
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| 08:04.30 | JademusSreg | 00E6504A281CPASSWORD_OLYMPUS_DEVELOPMENT |
| 08:04.37 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 08:06.36 | Monkalizer | now what |
| 08:07.14 | JademusSreg | Cleaning up a string dump from the client. Came across that. |
| 08:07.50 | Monkalizer | wonder where it goes |
| 08:07.58 | JademusSreg | Also, looking for more insight into layouts, because the editor is rather incomplete. |
| 08:08.28 | Monkalizer | layout files? |
| 08:08.41 | JademusSreg | Well, that paste up there is just a memory address range and a reference. |
| 08:09.04 | JademusSreg | Yeah, my UI layout tests have been going swimmingly. |
| 08:09.26 | Monkalizer | well, you can do it if you are patient enough |
| 08:09.42 | Monkalizer | I managed to get the conversation functions to work for me yesterday, with lipsync and stuff |
| 08:09.54 | Monkalizer | but it still needs some crazy workarounds |
| 08:11.04 | Reaperguyver | hhhmmmm |
| 08:11.06 | JademusSreg | For the layout element tests, I've compiled a list of frame elements and I paste them into test frames of various types and see what doesn't throw errors. |
| 08:11.30 | Monkalizer | ahh, the glory of trial and error |
| 08:11.33 | Reaperguyver | Kueken you still around? |
| 08:11.36 | Monkalizer | (mostly error) |
| 08:11.48 | Kueken | ya |
| 08:12.10 | Monkalizer | how do you hookup layouts with triggers? |
| 08:12.15 | Reaperguyver | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.16 | JademusSreg | In this case, more trial than it is error. It trims out all the invalid shit. |
| 08:12.17 | Reaperguyver | Right? |
| 08:12.28 | Kueken | sounds about right |
| 08:12.31 | Monkalizer | kk |
| 08:12.37 | Reaperguyver | hhmmm not working = / |
| 08:12.55 | JademusSreg | DialogControlHookup (int panel, int type, string inTemplate); ialogControlHookupStandard (int type, string inTemplate); DialogControlHookupUnitStatus (int type, string inTemplate, unit inUnit); |
| 08:12.56 | Kueken | is the triggering unit defined for your event? |
| 08:13.05 | JademusSreg | Like that, Monk. =D |
| 08:13.10 | Monkalizer | cool |
| 08:13.17 | Reaperguyver | ummmm should be? |
| 08:13.19 | Kueken | the hookup is pretty straightforward |
| 08:13.21 | Monkalizer | ive built an entire ui without those things |
| 08:13.24 | Reaperguyver | do you mean before that? |
| 08:13.35 | Kueken | however there is a lot of stuff you cannot change :/ |
| 08:13.47 | Kueken | Reaperguyver: what event do you use? |
| 08:14.03 | Reaperguyver | http://pastebin.com/xZWbkVur |
| 08:14.44 | Reaperguyver | triggering region. I should be able to use triggering unit. |
| 08:14.52 | Kueken | alright |
| 08:14.59 | Kueken | yes |
| 08:15.16 | Kueken | did you test this from the editor? |
| 08:15.23 | Reaperguyver | Yes. |
| 08:15.51 | Kueken | the Players on Team unit group is only defined, if you start the game from a lobby |
| 08:16.01 | Kueken | it doesn't work when started from the editor |
| 08:16.09 | Reaperguyver | Ah okay. |
| 08:16.36 | Reaperguyver | I'll try it from an arcade game than. Thank you. |
| 08:17.01 | Kueken | I'd suggest to use some variables for the unit groups |
| 08:17.18 | Kueken | and fill them with either the lobby groups or just with player 1 manually |
| 08:17.30 | Kueken | so you don't have to test from the lobby every time |
| 08:21.01 | Reaperguyver | Thank you. |
| 08:21.16 | Reaperguyver | Ah. |
| 08:21.37 | Reaperguyver | I thought I had but I might not need too. two of the 3 triggers worked liek I needed them too. |
| 08:22.37 | Reaperguyver | just don't understand why this other one won't fire now >.> lol |
| 08:23.47 | JamesQCarlton | Kueken, liebling |
| 08:24.07 | JamesQCarlton | Aus deinen Augenhöhlen kommt immer nur Wahrheit. |
| 08:24.19 | Kueken | Lajla, Schätzchen |
| 08:24.32 | JamesQCarlton | Schnitzelpimmelchen |
| 08:24.38 | Kueken | Aus deinem Mund spricht der reine Wahnsinn ;) |
| 08:24.54 | JamesQCarlton | Klar |
| 08:25.19 | JamesQCarlton | Ich bin Geisteskranker als Die Bundeskanzlerin |
| 08:25.24 | Kueken | ooh |
| 08:25.31 | Kueken | I seriously doubt that |
| 08:26.02 | JamesQCarlton | Ich bin so Geisteskrank, ich liebe ZvZ |
| 08:29.58 | IskatuMesk | just make carriers |
| 08:30.28 | Kueken | in zvz |
| 08:30.50 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 08:31.03 | Kueken | big leviathans with scourge interceptors |
| 08:31.21 | Kueken | actually, that would be kind of neat |
| 08:32.32 | twodie | anyone know how to bring arrows XYZ in cutscene editor to move objects? |
| 08:35.44 | twodie | . |
| 08:41.43 | Eagles | Is there a function to check if a variable has been set? I can't find it |
| 08:42.09 | Kueken | other than checking if its null? |
| 08:42.54 | Eagles | Uhh, I haven't tried that, how does it work? |
| 08:43.44 | Kueken | if (variable == null/0/whatever default value there is) then print "yay, wasn't set" |
| 08:44.34 | Kueken | however, since every variable in gui is set initially anyway, there is no "real" way to check, if it has been set already |
| 08:44.53 | Eagles | ah :/ |
| 08:45.13 | Kueken | for what would you need it? |
| 08:46.33 | Eagles | Right now I want to check if a player has picked his hero, it's not SUPER important with a isset check, I could use a boolean PlayerHasHero[i] so it was mostly a "if it exist, I won't need to make a boolean" :P |
| 08:47.08 | Kueken | I would probably go for a boolean anyway, its much more clean |
| 08:47.43 | Eagles | alrighty :) |
| 08:48.21 | Eagles | funny, I learned about the ModifyVariable today.. until now I've been using arithmic value function for every darn ++ lol |
| 08:48.52 | Kueken | galaxy script ftw |
| 08:51.06 | Eagles | yeah it's amazing |
| 08:52.07 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 08:53.42 | JademusSreg | Scripting is more convenient than hunting and pecking through GUI, I feel. Wouldn't say "amazing". |
| 08:54.08 | Kueken | yes for "amazing" there are a lot of key feature smissing :/ |
| 08:54.33 | Kueken | HotS didn't happen to improve this in any way, am I right? |
| 08:55.01 | JademusSreg | We've still got arrayref, structref, and funcref from 1.5 |
| 08:56.04 | Kueken | I would rather have namespaces, autocompletion and an easily accessible function list :/ |
| 08:56.05 | Eagles | I guess what is amazing is what people have accomplished with it :P |
| 08:56.12 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
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| 09:40.57 | JademusSreg | Turns out the client has more fun stuff buried in its memory. The editor didn't cover everything. =D |
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| 09:45.26 | twodie | JademusSreg what so fun it have covered there? |
| 09:45.48 | twodie | *hidden? |
| 09:46.34 | Zolden | maybe larger kerrigan boobs |
| 09:46.34 | twodie | Zolden how about this kinda retard gnom stuff? http://snag.gy/7rJJN.jpg |
| 09:46.43 | Zolden | there may be a cheat to increase them |
| 09:47.11 | Zolden | batman with front ass? |
| 09:47.16 | JademusSreg | More frame base classes and their elements, more debug/cheat commands, and it has the complete native list. |
| 09:47.33 | Zolden | who spent childhood on a horse hunting pigs? |
| 09:47.50 | JademusSreg | I found 8 undocumented natives. =D |
| 09:48.20 | JademusSreg | 2 I found the other day, and DebugDump DebugFixed DebugInt DebugPoint DebugString DebugUnit. |
| 09:49.00 | Zolden | is there DebugBug native? |
| 09:49.41 | JademusSreg | Not that I noticed, but I didn't check under the fridge. They like to hide there. |
| 09:50.40 | Eagles | debugabugabugabugbugbug |
| 09:51.03 | Zolden | the whole zerg civilization came out from under a fridge |
| 09:52.30 | JademusSreg | A space fridge. |
| 09:53.42 | A1win | god's minibar |
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| 09:55.12 | Eagles | does this look alright? return DialogControlGetPropertyAsColor(lp_passedDialogItem,c_triggerControlPropertyDesaturationColor,lp_passedPlayer); |
| 09:57.18 | JademusSreg | That's custom script in a GUI action, yes? |
| 09:57.24 | Eagles | yes |
| 09:57.52 | JademusSreg | Good, otherwise I would have had to scold for using the autogenerated prefixes. |
| 09:58.23 | Eagles | D: |
| 09:59.18 | JademusSreg | Anyway, is there a problem? |
| 09:59.56 | Reaperguyver | Well on a semi good note after all the reducing I think I can do I now only have 65 triggers >.< |
| 10:00.42 | Eagles | yeah I get this Jademus http://puu.sh/2lklb/0bfaeebb76 |
| 10:00.46 | Reaperguyver | Which I know is probably still waaaaay to many. |
| 10:01.49 | Reaperguyver | you're trying to use a dialog box to allow a player to pick their color? |
| 10:03.10 | Eagles | no but you gave me a pretty awesome idea lol |
| 10:04.14 | JademusSreg | Reap, if you explain your design, might be able to help optimize further. |
| 10:04.42 | Reaperguyver | I was going to say or you could have them text it. |
| 10:04.51 | Reaperguyver | uhhh how to explain this.... |
| 10:05.53 | Reaperguyver | tug of war kinda like nexus wars. Only with special buildings that do things like for example one has a 10% chance to allow your unit to come back to life. Than some units get abilities like critical strike and evasion. |
| 10:06.17 | JademusSreg | Eagle, if the value hasn't been set, I expect there is nothing to get. |
| 10:06.45 | Reaperguyver | I've reduced the attack to commands to one trigger. |
| 10:06.49 | JademusSreg | So it shows an error as DesaturationColor has not been set previously. |
| 10:07.09 | Reaperguyver | income stats income itself. |
| 10:07.15 | Kueken | it should be white by default |
| 10:07.25 | Reaperguyver | auto train is down to 3 instead of 30 |
| 10:07.41 | JademusSreg | The property should be valid. |
| 10:08.12 | JademusSreg | That only leaves a null dialogControl argument. |
| 10:08.40 | G0A | what is learn ability in submenu button? |
| 10:08.54 | JademusSreg | It's for making learn skill submenus. |
| 10:08.56 | JademusSreg | Like wc3. |
| 10:09.39 | G0A | ahh |
| 10:11.20 | Eagles | UI - Display (Text((Convert color (Dialog Item Desaturation Color(HeroPortraitDialogItemPortrait[i], (Triggering player))) to string))) for (All players) to Subtitle area |
| 10:11.33 | G0A | any idea how to make submenu button show unit's cost in the submenu as all units have the same cost in the submenu. (without triggers) |
| 10:12.09 | A1win | using data reference in the tooltip |
| 10:12.20 | JademusSreg | So Eag, I take it it's in a loop. |
| 10:12.27 | A1win | the Text editor has a tool for inserting data references and icons |
| 10:12.55 | JademusSreg | And if it only pops once, that suggests an off-by-one / uninitialized variable. |
| 10:20.15 | Eagles | I'm pretty sure that the dialog item var returns correctly, I am using it for a bunch of different things nearby: http://puu.sh/2lkCU/19b0eced8e As you see, I set the desaturation color only a few rows down. |
| 10:21.10 | JademusSreg | So you're saying it is both working and throwing an error? |
| 10:21.47 | Eagles | no, the custom function i made to get the desaturation color fails, while the blizz native function to set it works |
| 10:22.30 | Eagles | im just saying that (if it's what you meant) it can't be the i variable which fails |
| 10:23.01 | JademusSreg | Well, yeah, of course. Also, I think you might be misusing "native function" there? |
| 10:23.17 | Kueken | but checking the flag worked? |
| 10:23.21 | Eagles | i mean the built-in gui function |
| 10:23.24 | Eagles | yes |
| 10:23.26 | Eagles | no |
| 10:23.36 | Eagles | lol fail x_x checking it doesnt work, setting it does |
| 10:23.48 | Kueken | the flag, not the color |
| 10:24.17 | JademusSreg | native refers to the native keyword for functions, like this |
| 10:24.38 | JademusSreg | native fixed Floor (fixed x); |
| 10:25.04 | Kueken | I didn't know that one, jade ;) |
| 10:25.10 | Kueken | whats it used for? |
| 10:25.28 | JademusSreg | Floors a fixed (real) value, removing the fractional portion. |
| 10:25.55 | JademusSreg | Am I the only one that extracts all the data from the mpqs? =D |
| 10:26.04 | Kueken | probably |
| 10:26.26 | Kueken | I prefer the pre-chewed bits of information smarter people throw at me |
| 10:26.35 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 10:27.11 | Kueken | anyway, Eagles, you are setting the desaturation flag and the color, and you are checking for both |
| 10:27.32 | Eagles | hmm weird, the flag worked yesterday.. (but not now) guess I must be failing again |
| 10:27.33 | Kueken | does checking the flag work? Or does it fail as well |
| 10:27.40 | Kueken | okay |
| 10:27.58 | Kueken | when I set up the flag checking on my end, it definitely worked |
| 10:28.09 | Kueken | so something is wrong on your end |
| 10:28.27 | JademusSreg | Also, iterating through the array to find the used dialog item seems a bit silly. =D |
| 10:29.00 | JademusSreg | It's O(n) computational complexity (linear search), when you could get it in )(1). |
| 10:29.08 | JademusSreg | *O(1) |
| 10:29.40 | Kueken | well, he doesn't iterate to get the used dialog item |
| 10:29.50 | Kueken | he has the item and iterates to get the player number |
| 10:29.55 | JademusSreg | He checks to make sure its in the array. |
| 10:30.00 | Kueken | would be my guess at least |
| 10:30.18 | Kueken | or the position of the item in the array in general |
| 10:31.05 | Kueken | no easy way to fetch that in O(1) |
| 10:31.08 | Kueken | I think |
| 10:31.16 | JademusSreg | Sure there is. =D |
| 10:31.24 | Kueken | enlighten me |
| 10:32.03 | JademusSreg | Add it to a data table, "HeroPortraitButton"+dialogcontrol for the key, when it is created. |
| 10:32.07 | Kueken | in galaxy, I would just use the dialog item as index ;) |
| 10:32.17 | JademusSreg | That would be a superbad idea. |
| 10:32.45 | Kueken | well if it is exclusive to one dialog, it would work, right? |
| 10:33.00 | JademusSreg | Since dialog control ids, while linear, cannot be relied upon to have a given value, and destroying dialog controls does not deallocate their ids. |
| 10:33.19 | JademusSreg | Data table is O(1), and simple. =D |
| 10:33.30 | Kueken | also can you use data table in gui that way? |
| 10:33.42 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 10:33.47 | Kueken | since dialog item is not considered an integer in gui |
| 10:34.05 | JademusSreg | Maybe GUI has a conversion? I dunno. =D |
| 10:34.13 | Kueken | if not, make one :) |
| 10:34.16 | Eagles | I have 20 dialog items that I scan through until I find the one that was clicked |
| 10:34.48 | Kueken | anyway, usually I use data table for this kind of stuff as well |
| 10:35.16 | Eagles | I have no idea how to use data tables :P |
| 10:35.28 | Kueken | oh they are pretty straightforward |
| 10:36.22 | Reaperguyver | I can't focus anymore lol. See you all tom. Goodnight. |
| 10:38.01 | JademusSreg | No one is gonna fuss about using an array in that way, but just pointing out it's less than spectacularly efficient. |
| 10:38.34 | JademusSreg | Oh, another hacky solution is to set a value of the dialog control not valid for its type. |
| 10:39.00 | JademusSreg | The data will still be retained and have no effect on it. |
| 10:39.40 | Kueken | as in store the index as the current edit value for a button? |
| 10:39.47 | Kueken | sneaky |
| 10:40.13 | JademusSreg | Pretty much. Hacky -and- O(1). |
| 10:40.30 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 10:43.19 | Kueken | how would you do the same for something you cannot easily get as a unique integer, for example a unit? |
| 10:43.23 | twodie | Zolden what button to create default skeleton for model? |
| 10:43.43 | Kueken | (assuming using Custom Value would be cheating :p) |
| 10:44.11 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 10:44.23 | JademusSreg | Not cheating at all. |
| 10:45.33 | Kueken | okay... is there anything besides units that cannot easily be converted into a string or a fixed/integer? |
| 10:45.54 | Kueken | actors? |
| 10:46.05 | Kueken | they don't have a custom value, right? |
| 10:46.46 | Eagles | what about booleans xd |
| 10:46.51 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 10:46.59 | Kueken | 0 = false, rest = true :D |
| 10:47.04 | Kueken | integer! |
| 10:47.17 | JademusSreg | Well, implicit cast isn't supported for bool type, but yeah. |
| 10:47.23 | Kueken | the blizzguys even said they take the same space as an integer |
| 10:47.33 | JademusSreg | 32 bits. |
| 10:47.51 | Kueken | because its somehow better for their internal memory management or w/e |
| 10:48.36 | Eagles | DERP |
| 10:48.41 | Eagles | I figured out the derp |
| 10:48.49 | Kueken | gz |
| 10:48.53 | Kueken | you won a cake |
| 10:48.56 | Kueken | oh wait |
| 10:48.58 | Kueken | I lied |
| 10:49.30 | Eagles | cries because the cake is a lie (you saw that coming didn't you?) |
| 10:49.46 | JademusSreg | That meme is a pun-ishment. |
| 10:50.00 | JademusSreg | Only I'm making the pun here. |
| 10:51.07 | Eagles | :D Man I would kill for an isset() function |
| 10:51.23 | Eagles | Kill a bun, ofcourse. |
| 10:51.52 | JademusSreg | Or do what I do. |
| 10:52.40 | Eagles | code and use null? :p |
| 10:52.43 | Kueken | so your flag check and color check work now? |
| 10:53.14 | Eagles | yeah |
| 10:53.48 | JademusSreg | Dialog Utils: https://pastee.org/46mcj |
| 10:53.49 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 10:56.24 | Kueken | and now I want to hear a collective "Damn you, Blizzard!" for making that a necessity |
| 10:56.26 | G0A | nice! |
| 10:57.58 | G0A | no scroll bar.( |
| 10:58.55 | Zolden | twodie: don't remember, check helpers |
| 10:59.02 | Zolden | jsut finished hots campaign |
| 11:01.16 | Zolden | twodie: i mean checl bones |
| 11:01.28 | twodie | found. biped |
| 11:01.48 | Zolden | first, check, if it fucks art tools or not |
| 11:02.48 | twodie | mmM? |
| 11:06.28 | twodie | anyway seems like its limited so its still quite good idea to create your own bones |
| 11:09.33 | twodie | http://snag.gy/5vPYh.jpg |
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| 11:13.16 | EntityEnigma | i just saw a map with more than 2 cliff types |
| 11:13.21 | EntityEnigma | how do you do that? |
| 11:13.56 | EntityEnigma | OOOOOOOH |
| 11:14.01 | EntityEnigma | i think i just figured it out |
| 11:14.05 | EntityEnigma | damnit |
| 11:14.24 | EntityEnigma | i already did like half of my map with only one cliff type |
| 11:14.26 | EntityEnigma | fuck |
| 11:16.02 | EntityEnigma | if only it were possbile to add more textures |
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| 11:21.31 | G0A | any idea why I dont see splats in the editor if I view the model? |
| 11:23.41 | Eagles | because you didn't squish? :o |
| 11:26.29 | G0A | I mean in cutscene editor |
| 11:27.45 | Zolden | maybe turn surface on |
| 11:28.43 | Zolden | they only get projected to the terrain mesh |
| 11:38.53 | Kueken | word |
| 11:44.14 | Eagles | What's the point in defining default values for function parameters when they aren't optional? |
| 11:44.22 | G0A | Zolden thats what I was looking for.D |
| 11:45.20 | JademusSreg | Haha. Yes, Kueken. |
| 11:45.32 | Kueken | wah |
| 11:45.37 | Kueken | what did I do? |
| 11:46.15 | Eagles | I neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed polymorphism! |
| 11:46.34 | JademusSreg | I need to extend the Dialog Utils further, including hookups, invokes, and single-parameter construction wrapper. |
| 11:46.52 | JademusSreg | Eag, noooooooooooooooooot gonna happen anytime soon. |
| 11:47.12 | Eagles | Can't I setup presets then? |
| 11:47.20 | Kueken | galaxy++ had function overloading... |
| 11:47.33 | Kueken | Eagles: pretty sure you can |
| 11:48.05 | Kueken | not sure what the defaults are for either |
| 11:48.07 | Eagles | humm how would one make a preset |
| 11:48.16 | JademusSreg | Asked the devs way back in 1.5 during their initial community outreach with a number of map devs if it was likely they'd add a number of language features. |
| 11:48.22 | Kueken | didn't seem to make much sense in gui functions |
| 11:48.28 | JademusSreg | Short answer, way too much work, would require massive overhaul. |
| 11:48.52 | Kueken | not sure, I remember I tried once, and it was easy |
| 11:48.59 | Kueken | no idea how I did it, though |
| 11:49.06 | JademusSreg | Presets are an exclusive GUI construct that basically just wedges in literal values. |
| 11:49.42 | Kueken | well, we do basically the same in galaxy by using constants instead of literals ;) |
| 11:49.54 | JademusSreg | No, I mean it doesn't even generate variables. |
| 11:50.20 | Kueken | just like many compilers replace constants with literals internally |
| 11:50.20 | JademusSreg | It's almost-but-not-quite like putting magic numbers in your code all over. |
| 11:51.05 | JademusSreg | Ugh, spake not ye faire mouth woth these filthen words. |
| 11:51.20 | Kueken | I dare never say compiler again |
| 11:51.31 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 11:51.37 | JademusSreg | brbb |
| 11:53.45 | Eagles | how d o you say boolean |
| 11:55.17 | Kueken | oh oh oh, thats a tough onw |
| 11:55.20 | Kueken | *one |
| 11:55.23 | Kueken | let me try: |
| 11:55.28 | Kueken | boolean |
| 11:55.34 | Eagles | bowwwleeen? |
| 11:56.19 | Eagles | boo - le- an |
| 11:56.26 | Kueken | you mean how to pronounce it? |
| 11:56.56 | Kueken | ˈbu li ən |
| 11:57.58 | Eagles | yeah I watched a tut where someone said booleen |
| 11:58.22 | Kueken | oh, you don't want to hear me speak english :D |
| 11:59.28 | Eagles | ein neiveh blaw-bair? |
| 12:00.02 | Kueken | ei se ju anderständ |
| 12:01.52 | JademusSreg | Baloon. Bullion. Billion. Bowling. Booly Anne. |
| 12:02.31 | Eagles | lol@last |
| 12:07.45 | Eagles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4efc_rlIv0 wat |
| 12:08.31 | JademusSreg | What's the video? |
| 12:09.01 | Eagles | some mapper/youtuber who apparently went to prison for 20-30 years oO |
| 12:09.52 | JademusSreg | Ah. Saves me the trouble of clicking. =D |
| 12:10.37 | Eagles | fine if my gossip means that little to you JademusSreg :'( |
| 12:11.04 | JademusSreg | Now you're getting it. |
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| 12:14.41 | Zolden | Bommes, r u here? |
| 12:14.51 | Bommes | yes |
| 12:15.04 | Bommes | what's up? |
| 12:15.53 | Zolden | you needed physics something, rght? |
| 12:17.08 | Bommes | yeah |
| 12:17.15 | Bommes | a simple capsule |
| 12:17.31 | Zolden | it is present in hots |
| 12:17.40 | Zolden | physics primitives |
| 12:17.50 | G0A | Eagles what map did he made?:) |
| 12:17.53 | Zolden | sphere, capsule, all simple stuff |
| 12:17.58 | Bommes | is it static though? |
| 12:18.04 | Bommes | the ones I found were active kinematic |
| 12:18.06 | Bommes | but I will check |
| 12:18.16 | Eagles | ion tower defense or something, you can check the channel and search for starcraft methinks |
| 12:18.34 | Eagles | he's probably been in prison for a year now, so a long way to go, heh |
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| 12:19.51 | Bommes | Zolden: They are active physics models, as in they react to outer forces |
| 12:20.01 | Bommes | I need static ones, like the multiplayer structures are set up |
| 12:21.02 | Bommes | oh I meant active dynamic, not active kinematic |
| 12:21.05 | Bommes | sorry |
| 12:21.57 | Zolden | ok |
| 12:22.13 | G0A | Eagles This must means that every mapper is a hidden raper.) |
| 12:22.45 | Eagles | orly |
| 12:22.50 | JademusSreg | Oh wait, was this about SoulTaker? |
| 12:25.16 | JademusSreg | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23sc2mapster/20120313.html.gz Ctrl F and find prison |
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| 12:26.46 | Kueken | so soultaker is in prison? |
| 12:27.09 | JademusSreg | I figured that's who Eagles was talking about. |
| 12:27.45 | Kueken | well, that probably counts as quitting because of "rl" |
| 12:27.50 | Eagles | no, doubtfully. in the video iceshot14's brother says 20-30 years. this is some high class gossip action btw, lets go watch an old fart talk about c++ instead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBjjnqG0BP8 |
| 12:28.24 | Kueken | okay, remind me to never click your links ;) |
| 12:28.45 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 12:28.56 | Eagles | is it not inspiring? |
| 12:29.32 | Kueken | well, currently I don't need a reminder yet, so I haven't clicked |
| 12:30.13 | Kueken | if you sneakingly post it a couple of times over the course of the day, I might accidentaly do |
| 12:31.51 | Eagles | schneaky schneaky |
| 12:33.15 | JademusSreg | My goodness, looking back at the logs, brings back memories of all the great things I've messaged. <3 target : self |
| 12:38.28 | Kueken | don't do that for too long |
| 12:38.35 | Kueken | its addictive |
| 12:38.41 | JademusSreg | And chafe. |
| 12:39.17 | Kueken | I am in need of sleep |
| 12:39.29 | Kueken | can someone borrow me some? |
| 12:39.48 | JademusSreg | Naw, I prefer to stay awake indefinitely. |
| 12:40.21 | Kueken | well, I would prefer that aswell |
| 12:44.11 | EntityEnigma | i have a question for someone who knows the terrain textures well |
| 12:44.29 | JademusSreg | Hmmm. |
| 12:44.42 | JademusSreg | Would you like to ask that question? |
| 12:44.43 | Eagles | Did you try calling 1-800-GFXPRO? |
| 12:45.05 | EntityEnigma | is there a cliff texture that is the same as mana made shakuras that is a different color? |
| 12:45.16 | EntityEnigma | man made* |
| 12:46.02 | EntityEnigma | the shakuras is kind of an orangy redish |
| 12:46.09 | EntityEnigma | is there one that is kinda blueish? |
| 12:46.40 | JademusSreg | That's not a terrain texture question. |
| 12:46.49 | EntityEnigma | what is it then? |
| 12:47.01 | JademusSreg | They have their own data type. |
| 12:47.10 | EntityEnigma | orly |
| 12:47.30 | JademusSreg | Terrain Cliffs. |
| 12:47.39 | EntityEnigma | ok then |
| 12:47.57 | JademusSreg | You can look at all the cliff meshes and materials. |
| 12:48.21 | EntityEnigma | modify texture? |
| 12:48.33 | EntityEnigma | in modify texture?* |
| 12:48.44 | Eagles | in the data editor |
| 12:48.53 | EntityEnigma | ah |
| 12:49.01 | EntityEnigma | i havent used the data editor yet |
| 12:50.10 | EntityEnigma | im trying to replicate some of the cliff types in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9GqBbYesuQ&list=PLhOZBARtxbhIff9L-zzVoSJiy20peTyf9 for a sequel map |
| 12:50.25 | Kueken | also you can just export the texture and recolor it :) |
| 12:50.27 | Eagles | Well there is where you go to add new cliffs to your texture set. |
| 12:50.47 | EntityEnigma | how do you export? |
| 12:51.08 | EntityEnigma | you mean in photoshop or something? |
| 12:51.16 | Kueken | need to get some sleep, but I am sure the others can help you with that ;) |
| 12:51.19 | Kueken | yes |
| 12:51.21 | Kueken | bye |
| 12:51.24 | JademusSreg | Unless Nvidia made a plugin for mspaint. |
| 12:51.34 | EntityEnigma | lol |
| 12:51.38 | Eagles | nn Kueken |
| 12:52.16 | Eagles | EntityEnigma window > console > browse > enter > search for cliff texture > right click > export |
| 12:52.31 | EntityEnigma | ty |
| 12:53.18 | Zolden | Bommes: try this http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/37/85/physics_capsule.m3 |
| 12:54.04 | Bommes | Zolden: Awesome, I will, thanks! |
| 12:54.39 | Zolden | if you need to change something - tell me |
| 12:56.37 | Eagles | I could use a serial key for HOTS so I can use the HOTS snow tile set :3 |
| 12:57.45 | Bommes | Zolden: Seems like your model has an active physics body too |
| 12:58.38 | Bommes | Which option did you choose at the "Inherit Physics State" option in the ArtTools? |
| 12:58.56 | Zolden | you need active dynamics, right? |
| 12:59.01 | Bommes | I need static |
| 12:59.06 | Bommes | active dynamics is the one that is already in the assets |
| 13:00.15 | Zolden | http://snag.gy/BBpoe.jpg |
| 13:00.21 | Zolden | the options |
| 13:00.41 | Bommes | check Static on the right side |
| 13:00.52 | Bommes | under simulation |
| 13:01.13 | Bommes | and then it should be perfect I think |
| 13:02.07 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/37/86/physics_capsule_static.m3 |
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| 13:07.20 | IskatuMesk | hello JademusSreg |
| 13:07.32 | JademusSreg | Hallo Mesk. |
| 13:07.35 | IskatuMesk | I collapsed into my own puddle of puke and passed out for a few hours in your basement |
| 13:07.38 | IskatuMesk | what's new |
| 13:07.57 | JademusSreg | Splendid. Needed a fresh coat of puke there. |
| 13:08.05 | IskatuMesk | I gave it a thorough coating |
| 13:08.30 | JademusSreg | I've been digging into the client memory for more information. Found more layout ui base classes and elements. |
| 13:08.51 | JademusSreg | And more commands and some undocumented natives, including some for debugging. |
| 13:08.59 | Bommes | Zolden: Looks great as far as I can tell, thanks so much! :) |
| 13:09.09 | Bommes | If I can help you with anything just ask whenever |
| 13:09.26 | IskatuMesk | internet explorer |
| 13:10.11 | JademusSreg | Is dreadful. |
| 13:10.15 | IskatuMesk | last time I explored the internet |
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| 13:10.18 | IskatuMesk | I became a walrus |
| 13:11.23 | JademusSreg | Also, was looking through the channel's public logs. |
| 13:12.48 | IskatuMesk | anything saucy |
| 13:13.59 | JademusSreg | Here's one of my favorites, from around last year, coincidentally. |
| 13:14.37 | JademusSreg | <Bounty>help me gather more players JademusSreg >< |
| 13:14.58 | JademusSreg | <JademusSreg> Come on. I'm an often pedantic, self-interested egomaniac whose disinterest in other people besides their overt utility borders on sociopathy. What makes you think I would have friends? =D |
| 13:15.15 | IskatuMesk | my own man |
| 13:15.28 | IskatuMesk | a chip off my shoulder |
| 13:15.37 | IskatuMesk | one day you will become a butterfly |
| 13:16.11 | JademusSreg | Spread my wings, and smother the sun. |
| 13:16.15 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 13:19.05 | twodie | Zolden any clue how marine or any other blizz model that uses IK solvers connected to dummys that controls the knees look dirrection. |
| 13:24.05 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 13:25.56 | Zolden | twodie: your sentence misses the verb which had to be connected to "how" |
| 13:26.44 | Zolden | ik solvers can select a target |
| 13:27.39 | Zolden | both, ik solver and target should be connected to the main limb helper |
| 13:29.04 | Zolden | if you understand russian speech, i can link you to the comprehensive tutorial |
| 13:30.37 | twodie | i guessing that you giving the information that i already know. the two bones main bone connected to other to create IK limb the limb connected to dummy. |
| 13:35.31 | twodie | ok so it seems like those dummys doent use connection |
| 13:35.49 | twodie | still bones follow the dummy |
| 13:38.08 | Zolden | i suggest to use term "link" when you mean link |
| 13:38.19 | Zolden | i use link when i mean link |
| 13:38.46 | Zolden | under "connection" i meant ik solver pick target putton |
| 13:39.03 | twodie | i use whatever word comes to mind when not checking what real term for that is used |
| 13:39.15 | Zolden | and then under connection i meant link :) |
| 13:39.49 | twodie | those dummys dont use links.. |
| 13:40.20 | Zolden | maybe they are targets of ik solvers? |
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| 13:40.53 | Zolden | it's not necessary to link them to anything if you don't plan to create complicated animations with rotated legs |
| 13:44.26 | twodie | seems like it uses constraints of some sort not sure which one |
| 13:47.35 | JademusSreg | Interesting. Client string dump contains CommandButton%02d. At first I though it was just garbage that just happen to follow the string, but recognized it as a format for two digit values. It suggests that buttons added to the CommandPanel layout which follow the naming convention might hook-in to the hardcode for handling button responses. |
| 13:50.30 | Ahli | still digging through the strings? :D |
| 13:50.36 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 13:52.07 | JademusSreg | I take a tinker's approach to learning; dig down to the most fundamental elements for thorough understanding and mess with shit to see how it responds. |
| 13:52.27 | JademusSreg | Fuck of a lot more fun than reading tutorials or whatever. =D |
| 13:53.03 | JademusSreg | I've managed to isolate all the layout base classes this time. |
| 13:53.39 | JademusSreg | It was a mistake to start with the editor; the client has so much more, haha. |
| 13:54.59 | JademusSreg | That and some debug natives is a pretty decent gain, and still digging. |
| 13:55.14 | Zolden | twodie: select an object, check motion or ierarchy panels, there should be info about constraints |
| 13:55.31 | JademusSreg | Hope someone collects the info, since I don't much care for posting on the forums. |
| 13:55.45 | Zolden | JademusSreg: chinese will |
| 13:55.52 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 13:56.00 | JademusSreg | Chinese probably already -have-. |
| 13:56.03 | Ahli | then the info shall be lost. no chinese here |
| 13:56.43 | JademusSreg | But yes, this find is the most interesting. |
| 13:56.53 | JademusSreg | Involving named frames with digits. |
| 13:57.35 | JademusSreg | I've found others, as well, and it strongly suggests it just loads them by the batch. |
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| 13:58.23 | JademusSreg | So long as the name and type are correct, I expect you could add to them and have them function properly. |
| 13:59.27 | Bommes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTik6sYT_BE Darren Korb master of kickass soundtracks |
| 14:00.10 | JademusSreg | I see the leader panel stuff loaded here, too. |
| 14:00.33 | twodie | Zolden thanks found it there |
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| 14:01.10 | IskatuMesk | those random lense flares |
| 14:01.13 | IskatuMesk | because america |
| 14:01.53 | JademusSreg | So Ahli, now that I' |
| 14:02.13 | JademusSreg | I'm in the middle of this stuff, what was the question before? Was there a question? |
| 14:02.57 | Ahli | find out how to one could potentially alter the leaderpanel... might be done with frame names that aren't in the editor |
| 14:03.17 | Ahli | they might have slot frames |
| 14:03.45 | JademusSreg | Funny thing, LeaderPanelProductionFrame and LeaderPanel/LeaderPanelProductionFrameSlotTemplate are referenced explicitly, so they each have their own functionality. |
| 14:04.41 | JademusSreg | However, the first is the type, not the name, and it has no preceding path, unlike the slot template. |
| 14:07.37 | JademusSreg | So yeah, the slot templates must be instantiated manually. |
| 14:08.11 | JademusSreg | They are like the items that nest in listbox or contextmenu and others. |
| 14:08.53 | JademusSreg | Pardon, manually would be the wrong term here. They are a required frame automagically created for their respective frames. |
| 14:08.55 | Ahli | k, any trace of the frame that contains them? |
| 14:09.11 | JademusSreg | None. =D |
| 14:09.20 | Ahli | well, they are applied someday |
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| 14:09.39 | Ahli | the problem is that we need to know where they are applied to be able to change the data |
| 14:10.10 | JademusSreg | They are instantiated dynamically in their corresponding frames, I expect. |
| 14:10.30 | JademusSreg | They are applied by the hardcode, basically. |
| 14:10.58 | Ahli | but there needs to be something that makes them go from left to right and right to left in that video. I don't think they use a template for each slot row... |
| 14:11.38 | JademusSreg | Can't you modify templates with SC2Interface files? Is that offlimits? |
| 14:11.59 | Ahli | we can alter templates, yes. |
| 14:12.12 | Ahli | that is required to alter a few things like the size of the behavior icons |
| 14:14.31 | IskatuMesk | I'm going to alter YOUR template |
| 14:15.51 | JademusSreg | goes to look at the video again. |
| 14:16.30 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Zn3-O4jYO7g#t=307s |
| 14:17.14 | JademusSreg | Excellent. I'll ponder it. |
| 14:23.33 | JademusSreg | That's unit count, not production, haha. |
| 14:25.05 | IskatuMesk | you're production, not count |
| 14:25.25 | JademusSreg | Hell yeah. |
| 14:25.38 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Zn3-O4jYO7g#t=309s well, production is the most interesting value in the leaderpanel, so that should be possible for that, too |
| 14:25.49 | JademusSreg | <Anchor side="Left" relative="$parent" pos="Min" offset="0"/> |
| 14:26.06 | JademusSreg | That's in the slot template. |
| 14:27.26 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, unit frame is below and to the left of the select pulldown. |
| 14:27.51 | Ahli | by default, yes |
| 14:28.05 | JademusSreg | So the slots are added to the left of their parent frames. Change the position of the parent frames and anchors of the slot templates. |
| 14:28.21 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 14:28.26 | Ahli | well... |
| 14:28.26 | JademusSreg | But then for each player! |
| 14:28.32 | Ahli | indeed |
| 14:28.38 | Ahli | so there need to be slots somewhere |
| 14:29.26 | Ahli | either templates for each slot or a frames that these templates are applied onto that we can modify. |
| 14:31.46 | IskatuMesk | so jade |
| 14:31.52 | IskatuMesk | if you wanted to mess with data at some point |
| 14:32.07 | IskatuMesk | I could give you some of the more basic things I wanted to be done whenever you got a lot of free time |
| 14:32.10 | IskatuMesk | preferably when you get hots |
| 14:32.16 | IskatuMesk | so I can send you a fixed module file |
| 14:32.23 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 14:32.25 | IskatuMesk | and not have to re-fix the depdency shit again |
| 14:33.00 | IskatuMesk | although I won't wholly commit to this until retribution is done, I do plan to commit to it fully when it is |
| 14:33.11 | JademusSreg | Ahli, unfortunately, nothing in the leader panel is enumerated. =D |
| 14:33.13 | IskatuMesk | I'll probably do some terrain |
| 14:33.46 | Ahli | hmm, you can't check all of its properties, can you? |
| 14:33.53 | Ahli | maybe that is done via its properties |
| 14:33.54 | JademusSreg | Mesk, I can lend a hand on occasion. |
| 14:34.06 | JademusSreg | Ahli, I suspect it is set with the elements, yes. |
| 14:34.08 | Ahli | or layers within properties like images can do |
| 14:34.11 | JademusSreg | And I can check. |
| 14:34.46 | JademusSreg | Assuming my compiled list is sufficient (there are others I have yet to add), it should return useful information. |
| 14:35.27 | JademusSreg | And it's worth pointing out that each leader frame has its own base class. |
| 14:35.57 | JademusSreg | Each frame, and one for unit icon as well/ |
| 14:36.18 | IskatuMesk | the real question is though sreg |
| 14:36.22 | IskatuMesk | do you want the most ridiculous stuff |
| 14:36.24 | IskatuMesk | or the easy stuff |
| 14:36.29 | JademusSreg | The slot templates, on the other hand, do not have base classes, but are required by the code. |
| 14:36.59 | JademusSreg | Mesk, I have no patience for tedium. I enjoy interesting problems and similarly interesting solutions. |
| 14:37.00 | Ahli | unit icon makes sense because it's its own unique construct |
| 14:37.14 | IskatuMesk | duely noted |
| 14:37.45 | IskatuMesk | we can probably do the simple stuff (we managed to this point at least), so hopefully I can learn from your examples in the future |
| 14:38.38 | JademusSreg | I mean, I'd sooner dig though the game's memory than look for tutorials, because it's stimulating and more informative. =D |
| 14:39.23 | Ahli | and you can give the normal folks info that we couldn't access via default means |
| 14:40.05 | Ahli | ingame UI editor doesn't show own fields in these special frames like LeaderPanelUnitFrame |
| 14:41.34 | Ahli | maybe the ones at the bottom.... "UseAlternate..." buy longer text fields o0 |
| 14:42.31 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 14:42.34 | Ahli | hah, I can edito the layout of the ingame UI editor during runtime |
| 14:42.36 | Ahli | with itself |
| 14:42.46 | Ahli | brb fixing their sh*t |
| 14:43.57 | Ahli | hmm, can I make the buttons visible again that they didn't show us after beta in the ingame UI editor anymore? :D |
| 14:44.15 | JademusSreg | Probably. |
| 14:44.35 | JademusSreg | Find the old version mpq data and extract the UI. |
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| 14:45.39 | JademusSreg | Alright. From what I see, the PlayerStatPanel is key to the solution, Ahli. |
| 14:47.14 | JademusSreg | Change <Visible val="false"/> to true (and disable the leader panel) and see what happens? |
| 14:51.33 | JademusSreg | LeaderPanel doesn't do well at supporting left-right division, but PlayerStatPanel supports it quite well, haha. |
| 14:55.38 | JademusSreg | To get, for whatever reason, leaderpanel functionality on both sides, you could add leaderpanels to playerstatpanel template. |
| 14:55.53 | JademusSreg | Or. |
| 14:56.36 | JademusSreg | Make something similar to it, a very big frame with collapselayout floagged true, hosting two leaderpanels anchored to each side. |
| 14:56.45 | Ahli | visible = true doesn't change anything |
| 14:56.52 | JademusSreg | Weird. |
| 14:56.59 | Ahli | as it normally does because they do that in their code again |
| 14:59.45 | JademusSreg | Anyway, seems the approach they use for the left/division is applicable here, and I do not immediately see anything preventing multiple instances of the leaderpanel, if that's what one wants. |
| 15:00.27 | JademusSreg | But playerstatpanel is almost certainly what is being shown in that video. |
| 15:01.27 | Ahli | uhm, the playerstatpanel just has frames for each player to create the sides |
| 15:01.49 | JademusSreg | And player stat frames. =D |
| 15:02.43 | Ahli | what's special about that type? |
| 15:02.45 | JademusSreg | Which are their own type, and have a corresponding class, haha. |
| 15:03.24 | JademusSreg | It's used to display the stats, and their names are references as well. |
| 15:03.48 | JademusSreg | Yeah, takes some getting used to that the names are just arbitrary, but vital to their proper functioning. |
| 15:03.52 | JademusSreg | *aren't |
| 15:04.36 | Ahli | in the UI layout files I see nothing special for them |
| 15:06.50 | JademusSreg | Well, they are merely the recipients. Callbacks, if you will. Where someName exists in the frame tree for someClass, someName has significance in that context, it's a handle the game needs to push information out or gather it. =D |
| 15:07.39 | JademusSreg | So there are a bunch of dumb looking PlayerStateFrame frames in the PlayerStatePanel template. |
| 15:07.59 | Fen1kz | huh, UI talking |
| 15:08.34 | Fen1kz | btw, did anybody see this message: "XML: GameData\GameUIData.xml(4,9) : Unable to find field WorldConsoleBottom" |
| 15:08.42 | Ahli | yes |
| 15:09.00 | Ahli | the field was removed |
| 15:09.18 | JademusSreg | They have different names, but otherwise just look mostly empty and dumb. If you put them in a different type template, or even a different template at all, perhaps, they'd just not do anything. |
| 15:09.27 | Fen1kz | so somewhere in my UI i should remove link to this field? |
| 15:09.49 | Fen1kz | or i need to fix gameUIdata? |
| 15:09.57 | Ahli | open the gameUI data in data editor |
| 15:09.58 | JademusSreg | Fen, looks like it's missing a required type. |
| 15:10.05 | Ahli | edit a field, save, then that thing is fixed |
| 15:10.59 | JademusSreg | <ConsoleWorldTopOffset val="0"/> <ConsoleWorldBottomOffset val="200"/> |
| 15:10.59 | Ahli | the error tells you that the xml file in the map has a field that the editor doesn't recognize. as long as you don't update the xml file, that entry will stay there |
| 15:12.11 | Ahli | ^ is the code for the property in the UI. http://www.staredit.net/topic/15810/ see 2nd point in the UI |
| 15:12.29 | JademusSreg | I'd ask if the file has those attributes, but moot once it regenerates. |
| 15:12.44 | Fen1kz | thanks <3 |
| 15:13.34 | Ahli | well, you need to revert your change in that field after that again :) |
| 15:14.03 | JademusSreg | Anyway, where were we? Wanted leader panels on both sides or wanted the player stat panel working? |
| 15:14.16 | Ahli | leader panel |
| 15:14.43 | Ahli | I didn't mess with the player stat panel, yet... it's content is mostly dynamically filled except for the name, etc... |
| 15:14.53 | Bommes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7HbCkU_-cM&feature=youtu.be FPS gamers best gamers |
| 15:14.58 | JademusSreg | Lemme check to see if putting one on each side would work as supported by the references... |
| 15:15.05 | Ahli | that's where I might pull the name from, if I can somehow make the frame display all the time |
| 15:16.16 | Ahli | also, the property was UseAlternateTime that I found interesting... now I see that it is time :X |
| 15:16.44 | JademusSreg | From what I see, it has a good chance of working. The slot templates are loaded from the Desc structure, and the frame types are referenced explicitly by type, not by name. |
| 15:17.07 | JademusSreg | So multiple instances might be supported. Or at least are not explicitly invalid. |
| 15:17.30 | Ahli | so multiple instances of leaderpanel? |
| 15:17.33 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 15:17.50 | Ahli | hmm, might work... the ones created with templates in dialogs were working, too |
| 15:17.54 | Ahli | except for income |
| 15:18.27 | JademusSreg | Weird. |
| 15:18.28 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 15:19.10 | Ahli | that's a solution I didn't think about before... creating stuff multiple times and use trickery to make it display only the thing you want it to display |
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| 15:22.09 | JademusSreg | (Not all types will support it. Depends on how they are referenced, which I happen to have at hand. =D brb++) |
| 15:29.52 | JademusSreg | But there's an easy way to tell which types and elements will support multiple instances. |
| 15:30.04 | JademusSreg | *should support |
| 15:31.17 | JademusSreg | If there are multiple elements of the same type in the same scope, the names are almost certainly significant references. |
| 15:32.10 | JademusSreg | So they probably can't be copied within that scope and retain functionality. |
| 15:32.27 | Kubi | How do I get actors not snapping to the grid but can freely move the |
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| 15:32.45 | JademusSreg | You mean doodads? |
| 15:32.50 | Kubi | Yeah either one |
| 15:33.15 | Kubi | it' |
| 15:33.15 | Kubi | it's more a gate really |
| 15:33.19 | JademusSreg | Is it a unit or a doodad? |
| 15:33.24 | Kubi | Unit |
| 15:33.27 | JademusSreg | Can't. |
| 15:33.34 | JademusSreg | You'd have to remove the footprint. |
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| 15:33.52 | JademusSreg | Then it wouldn't be a very good gate. |
| 15:33.57 | Kubi | true |
| 15:34.15 | JademusSreg | You can change the footprints, though. |
| 15:34.31 | JademusSreg | Though it give you any more precision. |
| 15:34.37 | JademusSreg | *it won't |
| 15:36.07 | JademusSreg | If you love regions and triggers, you might be able to paint the pathing dynamically |
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| 15:36.56 | JademusSreg | PathingModify (region inArea, int inType, bool inAdd); followed by PathingUpdate (); |
| 15:37.23 | JademusSreg | That would allow you to use a gate without a footprint, and you could trigger the pathing change. |
| 15:39.36 | JademusSreg | And don't worry Kub, this UI tinkering shit relates directly to making a glorious MUI HotS hero panel. |
| 15:39.57 | Fen1kz | also you can add all-passable unit and add small blockers |
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| 15:40.25 | Fen1kz | thats how i created wall for any angle |
| 15:40.29 | Ahli | currently listening: huehuehue.mp3 by sikatumesk |
| 15:40.29 | JademusSreg | Naw, that's hacky and the footprint wouldn't match the gate's area. |
| 15:40.30 | Kubi | Well I am just making a Lab gate but they only have 225 angle presets |
| 15:40.40 | Kubi | So I am making a 270 noe |
| 15:40.41 | Kubi | one |
| 15:42.15 | Kubi | http://i.imgur.com/RmRo5d2.jpg |
| 15:42.17 | Kubi | Bambee? |
| 15:42.58 | JademusSreg | Fascinating that there is a ReturningUser dialog. |
| 15:43.24 | Kubi | God damn it |
| 15:43.29 | Kubi | There is blue boxes everywhere |
| 15:43.33 | Kubi | how do i turn them off |
| 15:43.39 | JademusSreg | Uh, wat? |
| 15:43.50 | JademusSreg | Sounds like the renderer has shit the bed. |
| 15:44.03 | JademusSreg | Is your computer overheating or low on memory? |
| 15:44.24 | Kubi | nono |
| 15:44.27 | Kubi | they're editor blue boxes |
| 15:44.39 | JademusSreg | Ctrl Alt F12 |
| 15:44.53 | Kubi | nope |
| 15:44.58 | JademusSreg | Screenshot? |
| 15:45.39 | Ahli | fallback image? |
| 15:45.52 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that's what I figured. |
| 15:46.04 | JademusSreg | And that can happen when the renderer shits the bed. |
| 15:46.15 | JademusSreg | Or when the files can't be found. |
| 15:46.22 | Kubi | no the models are there |
| 15:46.34 | Kubi | they just have blue boxes on doodads and buildings |
| 15:46.45 | JademusSreg | Screeeeeeeenshot. |
| 15:46.57 | Ahli | decals? |
| 15:47.49 | JademusSreg | wonders where reference Slot%02d is used. |
| 15:49.12 | Kubi | http://imgur.com/pWL377W |
| 15:49.29 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 15:49.41 | JademusSreg | Not getting the terrain texture data. |
| 15:50.01 | JademusSreg | Or. |
| 15:50.08 | JademusSreg | Lighting is way fucked up. |
| 15:50.18 | JademusSreg | Oh, psh. |
| 15:50.27 | JademusSreg | That's the mesh. |
| 15:50.33 | Kubi | I turn mesh off |
| 15:50.33 | Ahli | physics mesh |
| 15:50.34 | Kubi | still there |
| 15:50.35 | JademusSreg | Got excited. |
| 15:51.12 | Kubi | HOW DO I TURN IT OFF |
| 15:51.12 | Kubi | qowjeropqjfop |
| 15:52.00 | Ahli | or not physic |
| 15:53.00 | JademusSreg | Press V. |
| 15:53.09 | JademusSreg | Short term solution. |
| 15:53.15 | Kubi | no tried that |
| 15:53.15 | Kubi | not worky |
| 15:53.29 | JademusSreg | But V always works. Madness. |
| 15:55.15 | Ahli | I don't see a setting for that :S |
| 15:56.08 | Kubi | I dont know how it got there |
| 15:56.32 | JademusSreg | V used to toggle Game View. |
| 15:56.37 | JademusSreg | Crazy if that's changed. |
| 15:57.09 | Ahli | unless you alter hotkeys it's V |
| 16:05.50 | Kubi | ADD CRATE PHYSIC DOODADS EVERYWHERE! |
| 16:06.19 | JademusSreg | Yeah! Because GPUs need a good fucking, lest they become complacent. |
| 16:09.37 | Bommes | Kubi: Do you mean the physics body representation in the editor? |
| 16:09.50 | Bommes | you can enable/disable that in the cutscene editor, I think it transfers to the terrain editor |
| 16:09.59 | Kubi | WHEEEEEERE |
| 16:10.19 | Bommes | Render -> Show Geometry -> Physics |
| 16:11.12 | Kubi | LORD HAVE MERCY |
| 16:11.32 | Bommes | ? |
| 16:11.34 | Bommes | did it work? |
| 16:12.24 | Kubi | yes |
| 16:12.57 | Bommes | it's in the cutscene editor |
| 16:13.02 | Bommes | nvm |
| 16:13.04 | Bommes | I was scrolled up lol |
| 16:13.27 | Bommes | IRC science too confusing |
| 16:19.43 | JademusSreg | observes that Blizz uses Flash all over, and restricts users. |
| 16:20.23 | Kubi | http://i.imgur.com/RmRo5d2.jpg CBOOM BABY |
| 16:20.45 | Ahli | what if we try to use them in UI layouts? |
| 16:20.54 | JademusSreg | Dunno. =D |
| 16:21.27 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure it will say "fuck you, I don't have to listen to you, you're not my parent". |
| 16:22.12 | JademusSreg | But I do know it didn't strip my flash frame from the UI. |
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| 16:22.40 | JademusSreg | However, dialog controls cannot instantiate flash frames. |
| 16:22.52 | JademusSreg | So that means layout is the only possible shot. |
| 16:23.22 | Bommes | Hmm, is there a way to group up Doodads while still being able to select and move them individually? |
| 16:23.25 | JademusSreg | Though I wonder if they can be instantiated indirectly. |
| 16:23.44 | Bommes | as in I need to be able to find Doodads of a certain type without having to search for them |
| 16:23.50 | JademusSreg | Object groups, Bom. |
| 16:24.34 | Kubi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD2fdFDjHeA PHYSICS |
| 16:24.36 | Kubi | FUCK YEAH |
| 16:24.57 | sharf | I have two questions for an ability I'm making. First, can I use a unit's attack damage in another ability, so that the ability will be their damage+x |
| 16:25.09 | sharf | second, can someone explain how to do autocast to me? |
| 16:25.21 | HP-X|Arthas | Dustin: you pinged me! |
| 16:25.25 | JademusSreg | Cool zoom, but maybe start the camera above the terrain? =D |
| 16:25.44 | Kubi | Zooming out on the map |
| 16:25.46 | Kubi | bad |
| 16:25.47 | Kubi | because |
| 16:25.48 | Kubi | lag |
| 16:25.59 | JademusSreg | Kubi, just hide the laggy shit. |
| 16:26.04 | sharf | nice kubi |
| 16:26.18 | HP-X|Arthas | This one is better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2j2gcE15bs |
| 16:26.50 | JademusSreg | Sharf, you can share damage modifiers by type. |
| 16:27.06 | JademusSreg | That's pretty close. |
| 16:27.39 | sharf | what do you mean? |
| 16:28.03 | Bommes | jademussreg: ah found it :) |
| 16:28.16 | Bommes | was a bit confused that there was no option in the top menu to use the groups |
| 16:28.19 | Bommes | never saw that window before |
| 16:28.29 | Bommes | because its like squeezed in the bottom corner |
| 16:28.30 | JademusSreg | Kub, fix those negative array indexes! =D |
| 16:28.54 | Kubi | Those are generated because its single player |
| 16:28.58 | Kubi | they dont happen in multiplayer |
| 16:29.11 | Kubi | because a player in single player isn't issued a integer lol |
| 16:29.25 | JademusSreg | Sharf, a buff modifying Ranged damage factor will apply to any Ranged damage from that source. |
| 16:29.28 | Kubi | Or an open slot |
| 16:29.28 | Kubi | w/e |
| 16:29.41 | JademusSreg | Yes, don't fix shit, no one will see it, haha. |
| 16:30.01 | JademusSreg | And yeah, they are. |
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| 16:30.22 | JademusSreg | In the sense a player is an integer. =D |
| 16:30.48 | EntityEnigma | how do you lower metal gates? |
| 16:31.38 | EntityEnigma | if you just want to use the doodad when the gate isnt up |
| 16:31.44 | JademusSreg | Continuing, so if the unit's "base" damage is defined by a modifier, it will be shared by all other damage sources to which the modifier applies. |
| 16:31.53 | JademusSreg | Ent, look at the gate data. |
| 16:32.15 | JademusSreg | It's an animation. =D |
| 16:32.16 | EntityEnigma | ill try |
| 16:32.31 | EntityEnigma | ok thanks |
| 16:32.32 | sharf | currently |
| 16:32.39 | sharf | they have their base weapon damage effect |
| 16:32.49 | JademusSreg | You can do that too. |
| 16:32.54 | sharf | and they have a buff that stacks, and adds 1 damage to each of their attacks |
| 16:33.46 | Ahli | hmm, how can I apply my own tempaltes? |
| 16:33.55 | Ahli | *templates |
| 16:34.16 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 16:34.17 | EntityEnigma | um sorry where do i find the doodad data? |
| 16:34.26 | sharf | so how would I use those? |
| 16:34.31 | JademusSreg | Doodads are actors, Actor data. |
| 16:34.40 | Ahli | I copy pasted leaderpanel into a new layout file... then I referenced it in a frame... it only works for existing templates... |
| 16:35.14 | EntityEnigma | so type actors in consol? |
| 16:35.17 | JademusSreg | Ahli, I meant you should be able to make a new instance. |
| 16:35.34 | JademusSreg | Ent, wat? |
| 16:35.52 | EntityEnigma | hold on |
| 16:36.15 | sharf | time to put captcha on my site... |
| 16:36.56 | JademusSreg | Ahli, you simply make a new one like <Frame type="LeaderPanel" name="LeaderPanel" template="LeaderPanel/LeaderPanelTemplate">, only with a different name. =D |
| 16:37.06 | JademusSreg | And anchored to the other side. |
| 16:37.26 | JademusSreg | Assuming its name isn't a relevant reference, it should work. |
| 16:37.31 | Ahli | that will create the same one on the other side, just with wrong alignments inside it |
| 16:37.46 | JademusSreg | Screenshot? =D |
| 16:37.59 | Ahli | I suppose that it would od that as that would make sense |
| 16:38.37 | JademusSreg | A new template can be made later. First proof the concept. =D |
| 16:38.56 | JademusSreg | Ent, Data editor, Actor tab. |
| 16:39.05 | Ahli | that I can create new leaderpanels in frames? |
| 16:39.29 | JademusSreg | That they work and are not fucked up. |
| 16:40.20 | Ahli | they show all frames at once, but seem to work |
| 16:40.30 | JademusSreg | Haha awesome. |
| 16:41.34 | JademusSreg | Next make a template with the template as a template, and change the anchors and such. |
| 16:41.56 | EntityEnigma | i cant figure this out |
| 16:42.06 | EntityEnigma | where do i even start |
| 16:42.39 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 16:42.39 | JademusSreg | Ent, you can, if you take the time to understand how standard shit works. It's not a race, it's a leisurely stroll. |
| 16:42.55 | ckSynergy | leisurely my ass |
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| 16:43.00 | EntityEnigma | but its a shit maze |
| 16:43.06 | ckSynergy | ^ |
| 16:43.22 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/kcNL5pkE |
| 16:43.26 | ckSynergy | Its actually not that bad once you understand the maze |
| 16:43.30 | JademusSreg | How To Navigate Data Structures |
| 16:43.35 | sharf | jademus |
| 16:43.37 | EntityEnigma | im sure |
| 16:43.55 | EntityEnigma | i figured out how to change textures alright |
| 16:43.57 | ckSynergy | Entity, whats ur problem? |
| 16:44.03 | sharf | how would I use the weapon damage effect + the buffs? |
| 16:44.07 | JademusSreg | Wants to make a gate lower. |
| 16:44.10 | EntityEnigma | im trying to figure out how to lower a metal gate |
| 16:44.18 | JademusSreg | First place to look is at the lowered gate unit actor. |
| 16:44.22 | ckSynergy | Is it lowerable? |
| 16:44.57 | EntityEnigma | im trying to find out how to get there |
| 16:45.12 | ckSynergy | Heres the thing about gates. Most of them are 2 units. One for the up, one for the down, so if you just want the lowered version, just place the lowered gate |
| 16:45.35 | ckSynergy | However if there isn't a lowered version, youll probably need to modify the actor events |
| 16:45.35 | EntityEnigma | i only see one doodad |
| 16:45.40 | ckSynergy | whats the doodad? |
| 16:46.04 | EntityEnigma | metal gate straight |
| 16:46.07 | ckSynergy | sec |
| 16:46.22 | Kubi | I am listening to |
| 16:46.25 | Kubi | 90s Dance music |
| 16:46.26 | Kubi | Lol |
| 16:46.26 | Kubi | wtf |
| 16:46.54 | ckSynergy | Pulling up the data, sorry my laptop is really slow :/ |
| 16:46.58 | Kubi | You did |
| 16:47.00 | Kubi | Hero Attack |
| 16:47.02 | Kubi | On your laptop? |
| 16:47.37 | ckSynergy | yes |
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| 16:47.47 | ckSynergy | 1.6ghz laptop core 2 duo at that |
| 16:48.34 | ckSynergy | ok EntityEnigma, I got your info |
| 16:48.42 | ckSynergy | Now, you want JUST the lowered gate right? |
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| 16:49.16 | EntityEnigma_ | got disconnected |
| 16:49.21 | ckSynergy | np np |
| 16:49.35 | ckSynergy | Ok, for your gate, you want just the lowered version right? |
| 16:49.37 | ckSynergy | As in, you dont ever expect it to change, raise, or be attackable? |
| 16:49.42 | EntityEnigma_ | aye |
| 16:49.51 | EntityEnigma_ | just lowered |
| 16:49.53 | EntityEnigma_ | static is fine |
| 16:49.54 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 16:50.05 | ckSynergy | you know how to get to the actors tab? |
| 16:50.29 | ckSynergy | in the data module |
| 16:50.30 | EntityEnigma_ | in data? |
| 16:50.46 | EntityEnigma_ | yeah i opened a new tab as actors |
| 16:50.54 | ckSynergy | ok, find your metal gate straight actor |
| 16:51.10 | EntityEnigma_ | ok |
| 16:51.18 | ckSynergy | select it, press enter, ctrl+c, ctrl+v, then enter |
| 16:51.33 | ckSynergy | Basically, copy it, then open its properties window lol |
| 16:51.43 | ckSynergy | Rename it to Metal Gate Straight Lowered |
| 16:51.49 | EntityEnigma_ | ok let me try that |
| 16:51.50 | Kubi | How long did that take lyou lol |
| 16:52.02 | ckSynergy | dont forget to hit "suggest" next to ID after you renamed it |
| 16:52.05 | ckSynergy | Kubi? |
| 16:52.58 | ckSynergy | EntityEnigma_: Once you have your copy, find the "events" field and double click it |
| 16:53.08 | ckSynergy | let me know when u get to that step |
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| 16:53.13 | ckSynergy | and when the events window is open |
| 16:53.16 | JademusSreg | Adorable. Found some of the PCRE patterns SC2 uses to parse its data. It's analogous to seeing a celebrity eat a sandwich. <3 |
| 16:53.29 | ckSynergy | oh do share |
| 16:54.21 | JademusSreg | [az][AZ][09].-_: [az][AZ]_: [{amount}] [{deathType}] [{playerId}] |
| 16:54.27 | JademusSreg | See? Adorable. |
| 16:54.39 | JademusSreg | Especially the ending of the first pattern. |
| 16:55.12 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 16:55.21 | EntityEnigma_ | when i select the metal gate from the actors data list and press enter it opens up the actor properties window |
| 16:55.43 | EntityEnigma_ | then hit ctrl+c? |
| 16:55.51 | Kubi | Who we talking to? |
| 16:55.59 | EntityEnigma_ | ck if hes there |
| 16:56.08 | ckSynergy | ok, sorry |
| 16:56.14 | ckSynergy | select it, copy and paste it |
| 16:56.17 | ckSynergy | then press enter |
| 16:56.23 | EntityEnigma_ | oh ok |
| 16:56.24 | Kubi | How long did it take you to make Hero Attack X3, btw I love your switch setup for abilities, less effects to make for each level of an ability |
| 16:56.35 | Kubi | It makes me super hard. |
| 16:56.36 | ckSynergy | Kubi: Well, its a constant project |
| 16:56.40 | Kubi | Well |
| 16:56.43 | Kubi | From start to release |
| 16:56.59 | ckSynergy | 4-6 months for triggers, and another 4-6 months for data and bugs |
| 16:57.11 | ckSynergy | Basically a year long project |
| 16:57.17 | ckSynergy | hold on |
| 16:57.45 | ckSynergy | ~5475 hours, or 2 years, 7 months, 16 days, and 19.2 Hours at a typical job |
| 16:58.10 | ckSynergy | Of course, that number constantly changes |
| 16:58.28 | ckSynergy | Still balancing and fixing |
| 16:59.25 | ckSynergy | Entity: basically, once you copy it, rename it to Metal Gate Straight Lowered, then find the actor events and open that window |
| 16:59.53 | EntityEnigma_ | where do i copy it to? |
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| 17:00.19 | ckSynergy | facepalms |
| 17:00.35 | EntityEnigma_ | or where do i paste it to |
| 17:00.46 | ckSynergy | Entity: What do you think? |
| 17:00.58 | Kubi | Yeah |
| 17:01.00 | ckSynergy | We're just making a copy of the normal actor so our changes dont get overridden by blizzard updates |
| 17:01.02 | Kubi | it is really crashy |
| 17:01.03 | Kubi | I mean |
| 17:01.04 | Kubi | crazy |
| 17:01.08 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 17:01.13 | Kubi | I am already like.. the 3 month on my project |
| 17:01.15 | Kubi | I started in feb |
| 17:01.19 | EntityEnigma_ | hmm |
| 17:01.21 | Kubi | early feb |
| 17:01.30 | ckSynergy | whats your project? |
| 17:01.33 | Kubi | I am putting 16 hours a day into my map |
| 17:01.37 | Kubi | A zealot_frenzy map replacement |
| 17:01.54 | Kubi | DONT WORRY |
| 17:01.56 | ckSynergy | ok, I know ive played that map but |
| 17:01.56 | Kubi | I CREDITED YOU |
| 17:01.56 | Kubi | OK |
| 17:01.58 | ckSynergy | whats it again? |
| 17:02.03 | Kubi | It's a footman frenzy |
| 17:02.04 | Kubi | pretty much |
| 17:02.04 | ckSynergy | aww thx :) |
| 17:02.12 | ckSynergy | ummm dunno what that is |
| 17:02.14 | Kubi | I am using your container |
| 17:02.15 | ckSynergy | hold on imma google |
| 17:02.16 | Kubi | Its basically |
| 17:02.17 | Kubi | yeah |
| 17:02.19 | Kubi | google it |
| 17:02.20 | EntityEnigma_ | oh you can make copys in the data editor |
| 17:02.27 | Kubi | Yes |
| 17:02.28 | Kubi | you can |
| 17:02.29 | EntityEnigma_ | sorry this is my first time using this thing |
| 17:02.42 | EntityEnigma_ | so now ill rename it |
| 17:02.46 | ckSynergy | AHHHHH |
| 17:02.57 | ckSynergy | I remember that map lol |
| 17:03.34 | ckSynergy | Entity: np. Just remember, its a standard program. Dont be daunted by simple tasks. |
| 17:05.25 | Kubi | yeah after you learn it |
| 17:05.32 | Kubi | the only thing that takes time and holds you back |
| 17:05.36 | Kubi | is doing tidious tasks |
| 17:05.47 | ckSynergy | no joke |
| 17:05.49 | Kubi | and of course the other shit |
| 17:05.52 | ckSynergy | Like Tooltips -.- |
| 17:05.52 | Kubi | like balancing |
| 17:05.55 | Kubi | yes |
| 17:06.38 | ckSynergy | I really need to add in my own dynamics for tooltips |
| 17:06.44 | ckSynergy | doing it blizzards way is too tedious |
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| 17:07.36 | EntityEnigma | got dropped again |
| 17:07.49 | EntityEnigma | why do you need to click suggest next to ID? |
| 17:08.07 | EntityEnigma | after you rename a copy? |
| 17:08.24 | ckSynergy | <d ref="Behaviors.Level.Modification.Attribute[0].Points * Behaviors.Stats.Modification.Attribute[1].Points * Effect,DamageOutput,Combat / 1 - Behaviors,Modification,CombatResponse[0],yadeblah"/></n></n> etc gets painful |
| 17:08.35 | ckSynergy | So the ID changes? |
| 17:08.47 | ckSynergy | Ok, basically everything in the game has a unique ID |
| 17:08.55 | Kubi | yes |
| 17:09.04 | EntityEnigma | so suggest creates a uniqe ID? |
| 17:09.14 | EntityEnigma | for a copy? |
| 17:09.14 | ckSynergy | This ID is what the game uses, but the name is what you see, and what players typically see |
| 17:09.23 | ckSynergy | Entity: yes |
| 17:09.36 | ckSynergy | The ID in unique to the field type, in this case, actors |
| 17:09.52 | ckSynergy | You can have duplicate IDs across different data types, like effects, behaviors, and actors for example |
| 17:10.00 | ckSynergy | this is a good way of automatically tying things together |
| 17:10.13 | EntityEnigma | wow that sounds complicated |
| 17:10.22 | ckSynergy | Its not that complicated |
| 17:10.44 | ckSynergy | Think of it like a filing cabinet |
| 17:10.55 | ckSynergy | The ID the the grouping. Ex: Taxes |
| 17:11.08 | ckSynergy | The name is the label. Ex: 2013, 2012, 2011, 2010 |
| 17:11.25 | EntityEnigma | hmm |
| 17:11.29 | EntityEnigma | ok |
| 17:11.35 | ckSynergy | poor example, but best I got |
| 17:11.36 | JademusSreg | Ahli, how does the new leader frame template behave? |
| 17:11.41 | Kubi | I believe once you complete a map, you should be in a veteran in the field of data entry and be able to put that shit on your resume. |
| 17:11.42 | EntityEnigma | i think i get it |
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| 17:12.00 | ckSynergy | Kubi: Im sure you can if youre applying to vale or blizzard lol |
| 17:12.04 | ckSynergy | *valve |
| 17:12.04 | EntityEnigma | so you wanted me to open events on the right? |
| 17:12.08 | ckSynergy | yes |
| 17:12.20 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 17:12.50 | Kubi | If you duplicate an ability or unit, make sure you get all the relevant actors/weapons/effects and double check actor events |
| 17:13.04 | Kubi | and add/remove if needed |
| 17:13.13 | ckSynergy | Kubi: Lets try not to confuse him lol |
| 17:13.35 | ckSynergy | For copying a doodad, he shouldnt need to worry about that |
| 17:13.59 | Kubi | nope lol |
| 17:14.01 | ckSynergy | But yes, typically actors are a bitch to copy/paste |
| 17:14.07 | Kubi | Shoot me in the face |
| 17:14.13 | Kubi | Fuck |
| 17:14.14 | Ahli | I'm actually still trying to move the frame around... somehow it disappears when I move it o0 trying to figure out what I f*cked up |
| 17:14.18 | Kubi | I don't know what my max hero level is |
| 17:14.22 | Kubi | and how many levels of an ability I should have |
| 17:14.24 | Kubi | ~~!K#)_k4=- |
| 17:14.33 | Kubi | fuck it |
| 17:14.34 | ckSynergy | Ahli: I said screw it and built my own leaderboard lol |
| 17:14.35 | Kubi | I'm doing 5 |
| 17:14.38 | Kubi | and 3 |
| 17:14.40 | Kubi | for alt |
| 17:14.54 | ckSynergy | lol Kubi |
| 17:14.58 | ckSynergy | I'm thinking about expanding |
| 17:15.28 | ckSynergy | to 25 levels, 15 abilities per hero, 3 trees, and 4 levels each. |
| 17:15.31 | EntityEnigma | ok theres 2 actor events |
| 17:15.42 | EntityEnigma | looks like 1 for sound |
| 17:15.43 | Kubi | Lol you mind as well shoot your self in the face |
| 17:15.46 | EntityEnigma | 1 for animation |
| 17:15.53 | Kubi | 15 abilities per her? |
| 17:15.56 | Kubi | Wtf |
| 17:16.00 | ckSynergy | Right click in an empty space below the actor events |
| 17:16.03 | ckSynergy | -> add new event |
| 17:16.04 | Kubi | Like |
| 17:16.06 | Kubi | 15 abilties |
| 17:16.08 | Kubi | fuck that noise |
| 17:16.19 | ckSynergy | yea, 15 abilities per hero, but you choose 1 of 3 trees |
| 17:16.35 | Kubi | Lol |
| 17:16.36 | Kubi | gl |
| 17:16.42 | Kubi | I would go the add more heroes route |
| 17:16.44 | ckSynergy | We'll see if that time comes |
| 17:16.48 | Kubi | with your current setup |
| 17:16.48 | EntityEnigma | ok it says action damage as title |
| 17:16.58 | ckSynergy | Bah |
| 17:17.01 | ckSynergy | Adding heros sucks |
| 17:17.04 | Kubi | true |
| 17:17.12 | EntityEnigma | actiondamgphysics |
| 17:17.15 | ckSynergy | click that event |
| 17:17.20 | ckSynergy | change it to actor creation |
| 17:17.45 | Cheekything | anyone know if it's possible to activate an upgrade from a learn ability? |
| 17:18.33 | ckSynergy | then in the field below the event |
| 17:18.35 | ckSynergy | click it |
| 17:18.39 | ckSynergy | and change it to animation play |
| 17:18.49 | JademusSreg | Cheek, er, who do that? |
| 17:18.52 | JademusSreg | *why |
| 17:19.02 | ckSynergy | Cheeky: yes |
| 17:19.04 | Kubi | ckSynergy what do you do for adding attributes per level? I see you didn't do through the veterancy |
| 17:19.08 | ckSynergy | You can use triggers or data |
| 17:19.20 | Cheekything | so that I can edit parts of an effect without having ot duplicate it |
| 17:19.31 | ckSynergy | Kubi: I use triggers for level and stats |
| 17:19.37 | Cheekything | I'm trying to use data as it's a mod :/ |
| 17:19.40 | Kubi | thats what I was thinkning |
| 17:20.05 | ckSynergy | Kubi: but thats only because I use scaling |
| 17:20.15 | ckSynergy | You can just as well use the veterancy behavior |
| 17:20.16 | JademusSreg | Sounds rather messy, as upgrades are reversible, but their modifications are not automatically repealed. |
| 17:20.52 | Cheekything | I don't get your point |
| 17:21.04 | JademusSreg | Catalog is a more direct route, as are requirements that check ability level. |
| 17:21.32 | ckSynergy | ^ catalog is probably the quickest route |
| 17:21.40 | ckSynergy | but for data only, its doable |
| 17:21.53 | Cheekything | I'd prefer data |
| 17:22.10 | Cheekything | trying to minimise triggering where possible |
| 17:22.29 | JademusSreg | Of course. Prefer to stick to data wherever practical. |
| 17:22.39 | ckSynergy | You need a learn ability, that learns a behavior ability with "toggle on" checked, then that ties to a behavior for each level, with an effect initial that triggers a issue order effect which orders the unit to upgrade |
| 17:22.40 | EntityEnigma | set to animation play |
| 17:22.45 | EntityEnigma | do i click non looping? |
| 17:22.58 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 17:23.00 | ckSynergy | Entity: no |
| 17:23.07 | Cheekything | thank you :D |
| 17:23.14 | ckSynergy | np cheeky |
| 17:23.33 | JademusSreg | Fortunate it's not an active ability. =D |
| 17:23.35 | Cheekything | and the data part isn't for myself (apart from the learning experience) I'm trying to make it noob friendly :P |
| 17:23.45 | ckSynergy | Make sure the unit has the research ability, behavior ability, and learn ability |
| 17:23.53 | ckSynergy | I'll warn you now, it gets messy though |
| 17:24.21 | Cheekything | messy is fine |
| 17:24.28 | ckSynergy | alrighty :) |
| 17:24.40 | ckSynergy | Entity: once you have anim play set |
| 17:24.51 | ckSynergy | set the animation properties to |
| 17:24.52 | Cheekything | so long as it doesn't involve me copying huge amonts of entries per level |
| 17:25.00 | ckSynergy | Stand |
| 17:25.03 | ckSynergy | Unpowered |
| 17:25.21 | JademusSreg | Player Requirement validator + Requirements |
| 17:25.22 | ckSynergy | when you set the first field to stand, a new box will appear blow it, where you set it to unpowered |
| 17:25.30 | ckSynergy | *below |
| 17:25.32 | JademusSreg | That's how I prefer to handle multilevel skills. |
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| 17:25.52 | EntityEnigma_ | jebus |
| 17:25.56 | EntityEnigma_ | dropped again |
| 17:26.00 | ckSynergy | -.- |
| 17:26.24 | EntityEnigma_ | copy paste what you typed |
| 17:26.37 | ckSynergy | for the animatin properties, dont mess with the flags |
| 17:26.53 | ckSynergy | Set the animation properties dropdown box to Stand |
| 17:26.53 | EntityEnigma_ | sure |
| 17:26.59 | ckSynergy | then another box will appear blow that |
| 17:27.02 | EntityEnigma_ | ah |
| 17:27.05 | ckSynergy | set that box to "unpowered" |
| 17:27.16 | ckSynergy | *below |
| 17:27.27 | ckSynergy | my "e" key doesnt like me anymore :( |
| 17:27.47 | EntityEnigma_ | ok |
| 17:27.54 | ckSynergy | anyway once thats done you should be good to go. hit ok and done |
| 17:27.58 | ckSynergy | then try placing your doodad |
| 17:28.11 | JademusSreg | It's okay ck, I've got enough e for everyone. We'll roll all night. |
| 17:28.14 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 17:29.38 | ckSynergy | lol |
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| 17:31.40 | EntityEnigma | ok i got those steps and placed it |
| 17:32.10 | EntityEnigma | not sure why freenode keeps dropping me |
| 17:32.26 | EntityEnigma | looks like its gonna do it again... |
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| 17:33.55 | EntityEnigma | should the gate appear lowered in the editor? |
| 17:34.06 | EntityEnigma | or will the animation only take place in game |
| 17:34.53 | EntityEnigma | sec i gotta try reloging |
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| 17:36.36 | mille25 | hi |
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| 17:36.50 | EntityEnigma | ok so i placed the new doodad |
| 17:37.01 | EntityEnigma | should it appear lowered in the editor? |
| 17:37.34 | ckSynergy | I dunno. You tell me :) |
| 17:37.48 | EntityEnigma | it gave me warning messages |
| 17:37.54 | ckSynergy | what warning messages? |
| 17:38.07 | EntityEnigma | [3/21/2013 7:30:24 AM] Warning: USER: [ 172 597] CActorDoodad[MetalGateStraightLowered] Must assign a valid animation name when playing an anim. Message: CActorMsg[AnimPlay {} Stand,Unpowered]. [3/21/2013 7:30:24 AM] Warning: USER: [ 9cd 1979] CActorDoodad[MetalGateStraightLowered] Must assign a valid animation name when playing an anim. Message: CActorMsg[AnimPlay {} Stand,Unpowered]. [3/21/2013 7:30:29 AM] Warning: USER: |
| 17:38.38 | ckSynergy | ah |
| 17:38.42 | ckSynergy | open your events back up |
| 17:38.55 | ckSynergy | click on "animplay" |
| 17:39.10 | ckSynergy | where it says "name", click customize |
| 17:39.19 | Ahli | http://imgur.com/mE6GC7U |
| 17:39.32 | ckSynergy | type a name then hit the little green "+" sign |
| 17:39.35 | ckSynergy | hit ok |
| 17:39.48 | ckSynergy | then select your new name from the dropdown list |
| 17:40.01 | ckSynergy | I suggest naming it "StandUnpowered" |
| 17:40.11 | ckSynergy | or "Lowered" |
| 17:40.15 | ckSynergy | your call really |
| 17:41.33 | EntityEnigma | so wait i enter the name then hit the green + right? |
| 17:41.40 | ckSynergy | yes |
| 17:41.51 | ckSynergy | lol Ahli |
| 17:42.06 | G0A | Lol Eiviyn copied me:D |
| 17:42.17 | Ahli | with the borders? |
| 17:42.32 | G0A | Seems like everyone from now on will make tug of war maps |
| 17:43.44 | Ahli | JademusSreg: How does <Frame type="LeaderPanelProductionFrame" name="ProductionFrame"></Frame> make the frame disappear? |
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| 17:45.29 | EntityEnigma_ | no error this time |
| 17:45.48 | EntityEnigma_ | it played the raising animation when i placed it but its still up |
| 17:45.58 | EntityEnigma_ | my god why |
| 17:46.03 | EntityEnigma_ | does freenode hate me |
| 17:46.44 | ckSynergy | goto events and tick the "play forever" flag |
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| 17:48.07 | EntityEnigma | ok so it played the gate raising animation |
| 17:48.10 | EntityEnigma | when i placed it |
| 17:48.17 | EntityEnigma | but its still up |
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| 17:49.44 | EntityEnigma | i think i need to set another animation |
| 17:51.39 | EntityEnigma | just not sure how |
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| 17:54.50 | EntityEnigma | i dont see any animation properties that say lower |
| 17:54.51 | sharf | is there a better way to get the scale of an actor to match the range of an ability besides guess and check? |
| 17:54.54 | sharf | probably not |
| 18:02.18 | Ahli | mentioning ProductionFrame in the selfmade leaderpanel makes it disappear... UnitFrame is unimpressed and ignores changes |
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| 18:03.45 | EntityEnigma | how can you change an actor animation for doodads with more than one animation? |
| 18:04.00 | Fenix | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.48 | Ahli | edit stand baseline / use actor events to control the animations |
| 18:05.07 | Ahli | maybe you need to edit the animaiton bracket |
| 18:07.20 | Fenix | Does Attach region resize the region to the unit? |
| 18:07.30 | EntityEnigma | would you know wich of the actor events id choose to make a gate lowered? |
| 18:08.21 | Ahli | fenix, I don't think so |
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| 18:09.14 | ckSynergy | Entitiy |
| 18:09.27 | ckSynergy | try changing animation play to animation bracket start |
| 18:09.42 | EntityEnigma | k |
| 18:09.48 | ckSynergy | animation bracket start has 3 fields. opening, content, and close |
| 18:09.58 | ckSynergy | youll want to set content to "Stand, Unpowered" |
| 18:10.00 | ckSynergy | just like you had it |
| 18:10.18 | ckSynergy | and tick the play forever flag if it has one |
| 18:11.13 | EntityEnigma | set for each field? |
| 18:11.40 | EntityEnigma | or just opening |
| 18:12.05 | ckSynergy | for content only |
| 18:12.09 | ckSynergy | the middle area |
| 18:12.14 | EntityEnigma | k |
| 18:13.53 | EntityEnigma | HAHA |
| 18:13.55 | EntityEnigma | IT WORKS |
| 18:14.16 | EntityEnigma | dude you just saved me about 2 years of my life |
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| 18:21.44 | ckSynergy | :D |
| 18:22.22 | Ahli | now the unit frame disappeared o0 I only added all frames as empty frames again... |
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| 18:27.59 | sharf | ok...how can I keep a damage effect from inheriting the increased damage of the caster unit? |
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| 18:29.36 | ckSynergy | set the flags for the damage effect to "no scaled"? |
| 18:30.22 | sharf | no dealt bonus(scaled)? |
| 18:33.22 | Ahli | http://snag.gy/QeoNL.jpg =/ I don't seem to be able to alter it |
| 18:33.29 | Ownage | what is a CModel and why do I get null CModel errors |
| 18:34.53 | JademusSreg | Hm. Why add empty subframes? |
| 18:35.56 | Ahli | I wanted to alter the frames |
| 18:36.21 | Ahli | by overwriting them after their creation with template data |
| 18:36.23 | JademusSreg | How does it behave as just a plain new empty template? |
| 18:36.35 | Ahli | ? |
| 18:37.22 | JademusSreg | My previous suggestion, to add a new template that templates from the original. |
| 18:37.32 | Ahli | I can't apply templates that I create myself. It isn't clever enough to find it. =/ |
| 18:37.51 | JademusSreg | Need to add include in the DescIndex. |
| 18:37.58 | Ahli | template="filename\frameName" ? |
| 18:38.02 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 18:38.11 | Ahli | include... ok |
| 18:38.15 | Ahli | let's see |
| 18:38.46 | Ahli | uhm, how do I edit descindex? |
| 18:38.57 | Ahli | from within the editor |
| 18:39.03 | JademusSreg | This is an interface mod, yeah? |
| 18:39.22 | Ahli | or is the whole interface thing using a lot of things that require outside-editor edits? |
| 18:39.34 | JademusSreg | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7593742229?page=1 |
| 18:39.43 | JademusSreg | Bottom of the first post, good sirt. |
| 18:39.45 | JademusSreg | *sir |
| 18:40.38 | Ahli | it's already added |
| 18:40.53 | Ahli | <Include path="UI/Layout/LeaderPanelAhli.SC2Layout"/> |
| 18:41.01 | JademusSreg | Ah, then it just hates you. |
| 18:41.05 | Ahli | good job UI editor... |
| 18:41.23 | JademusSreg | In what sense can it not find the new template? |
| 18:41.51 | Ahli | editor gives a warning, but the messages window isn't popping up |
| 18:42.16 | JademusSreg | Does it work in game? |
| 18:42.30 | Ahli | <Frame type="LeaderPanel" name="CustomLeaderPanel" template="LeaderPanelAhli/LeaderPanelTemplate"> correct? |
| 18:44.01 | JademusSreg | Looks right. |
| 18:44.08 | JademusSreg | Er. |
| 18:44.24 | JademusSreg | I assume it's not a single line, yeah? |
| 18:44.37 | JademusSreg | There's content between its tags? |
| 18:45.05 | Ahli | huh? |
| 18:45.39 | JademusSreg | If there's no content in the frame tag, it would have a / preceding the closing > |
| 18:45.50 | JademusSreg | *should |
| 18:46.01 | Ahli | http://pastebin.com/6X0zLm4U |
| 18:46.36 | Ahli | my template is a copy paste |
| 18:46.48 | Ahli | of the leaderpanel layout file |
| 18:46.57 | JademusSreg | Er, no need to do that. |
| 18:47.01 | Ahli | maybe it requires unique names? |
| 18:47.52 | JademusSreg | <Frame type="LeaderPanel" name="CustomLeaderPanelTemplate" template="LeaderPanel/LeaderPanelTemplate"> |
| 18:47.55 | JademusSreg | Erm |
| 18:48.00 | JademusSreg | <Frame type="LeaderPanel" name="CustomLeaderPanelTemplate" template="LeaderPanel/LeaderPanelTemplate"/> |
| 18:48.06 | JademusSreg | Then use that template. |
| 18:48.19 | Ahli | that's what I did before |
| 18:48.55 | Ahli | that creates them in the top left edge of the frame. I can't alter the added frames then. |
| 18:49.09 | JademusSreg | Guess I'll need to do testing of my own once I finish recovering data from the string dump. |
| 18:49.39 | JademusSreg | Only got a few thousand lines remaining, and most of it is junk. |
| 18:49.57 | JademusSreg | Until then, I'll be busy afk. |
| 18:50.33 | Ahli | Dogmai: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1aqvsb/wednesday_night_sprites_tofu_arena_and_raynors/ |
| 18:50.55 | Dogmai | i watched it already on youtube |
| 18:50.58 | Dogmai | i liked the reactions |
| 18:51.41 | Ahli | 232 people watching a mapmaker :o |
| 18:54.03 | Dogmai | o_O |
| 18:54.08 | Dogmai | Which map maker |
| 18:54.41 | Ahli | IronManSC |
| 18:55.04 | Ahli | the last days he had like 10 :D now people from reddit watch as he starts a new map |
| 18:55.16 | Ahli | I was one of these 10, though :D |
| 18:55.26 | Ahli | http://www.twitch.tv/esvision/new |
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| 18:57.35 | A1win | mmhm terraining might actually be worth watching, I couldn't imagine anyone enjoying someone making triggers or data ;p |
| 18:57.45 | A1win | *can't |
| 18:58.28 | A1win | though it might be cool to have some 2 hour "arcade map from scratch" stream where people in the chat tell what to do with it |
| 18:59.30 | A1win | though I can't do it because my CPU sucks too much :I |
| 19:00.44 | Shawn|Rawr | Is this guy considered to be good at mapping? |
| 19:00.55 | Ahli | if I had a stream you could watch me tinkering with UI all day right now o0 |
| 19:01.03 | Ahli | and reading this chat :D |
| 19:01.06 | A1win | hehe |
| 19:01.13 | A1win | yeah it wouldn't work for regular mapping |
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| 19:01.37 | A1win | would be nice to try what kind of a map can be done in 2 hours some time though |
| 19:02.08 | Shawn|Rawr | Something awful, I'm sure. |
| 19:02.11 | A1win | 2 hour mapping challenge |
| 19:02.13 | A1win | haha |
| 19:02.21 | duckies | hmm? :D |
| 19:02.37 | duckies | that would be most amusing to see results for :D |
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| 19:02.48 | A1win | hehe |
| 19:03.31 | duckies | but hey, for all I know limits stimulate creativity, so we should definitely do it :D |
| 19:03.43 | A1win | yeah it sounds interesting |
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| 19:06.00 | A1win | but anyway we were talking about map streaming (http://www.twitch.tv/esvision/new for example), making an arcade map in 2 hous could be worth streaming too |
| 19:07.23 | Zolden | chains duckies to a tree to limit his movements and stimulate his creativity |
| 19:07.53 | A1win | do we get a stream of that too |
| 19:09.36 | duckies | using his enormous strength tears the tree off the ground and madly swings it around |
| 19:10.09 | duckies | comes back to his senses only to discover that it was all a dream and is still chained to the tree x_x |
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| 19:10.42 | Zolden | :)) |
| 19:11.12 | Zolden | doesn't feed chained duckies to limit his sources of energy to stimulate his imagination |
| 19:12.30 | duckies | attracts termites and all sorts of other wood-hungry insects to eat tree from insides |
| 19:12.50 | Fenix | ok, I'm looking for an alternative, need creativity. =P I have this: http://i.imgur.com/L77cASX.jpg Players spawn 1 unit at bottom line and line up, comp spawn units at top line and line up. Turn by turn players teleport to mid and choose between 1 or 2. It will teleport 1 or 2 units from top line and see if there is a "bad" unit, if yes he dies, if no he's safe and turn continute. |
| 19:13.08 | Fenix | the thing is the units do not line up correctly. So I'm looking for another way to line up. |
| 19:13.09 | G0A | duckies bomberbot? |
| 19:13.14 | duckies | sure goa |
| 19:13.23 | G0A | okey |
| 19:14.11 | Zolden | plays bomberbot vs G0A an duckies in his imagination and wins badly |
| 19:14.32 | duckies | fenix, it's best to explain your issue with 1 or 2 screenshots |
| 19:14.47 | Fenix | i added a screen shot btw |
| 19:14.49 | Fenix | http://i.imgur.com/L77cASX.jpg |
| 19:15.24 | duckies | for example use http://snag.gy/ to show how clumped units look like, and how you want them to look like (thorugh editor) |
| 19:16.02 | duckies | my brain is malfunctioning from zoldens inflicted starvation, so I can't visualize what you've talked about :D |
| 19:19.58 | Fenix | duckies: what i want it to looks like: http://i.imgur.com/IJ0oBZM.jpg what it looks like: http://i.imgur.com/rPavT5Q.jpg |
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| 19:20.15 | Zolden | gives duckies some algae |
| 19:20.25 | duckies | oh |
| 19:21.10 | duckies | have you tried increasing units radius so that they just don't have the space to move elsewhere, or give them footprint so that they can only allign like buildings? |
| 19:21.23 | duckies | though I'm not sure if units with footprint can move |
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| 19:23.44 | duckies | has lost so much fat that was able to slip through chains while zolden was staring at the sun like he always does when he has important obligations to do |
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| 19:25.17 | Fenix_ | so |
| 19:25.57 | twodie | http://snag.gy/igXeC.jpg almost completed |
| 19:26.06 | Fenix_ | oh lol i think i got disconected caus the other Feni,x joined.. |
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| 19:26.59 | Fenix_ | so any idea about alternative for my problem? |
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| 19:28.38 | Fenix_ | lol... the other fenix was myself... its ip is mine >.< it was just a lag maybe |
| 19:30.52 | twodie | Zolden look http://snag.gy/igXeC.jpg |
| 19:34.20 | Zolden | twodie: good, but need more details on the chest |
| 19:34.25 | Zolden | like the fur on the shield |
| 19:34.36 | twodie | its not fur :D |
| 19:34.52 | twodie | its hair from the texture that uses the head of the human |
| 19:34.56 | Zolden | IT IS |
| 19:34.57 | twodie | no reall texture there |
| 19:34.58 | Zolden | they used furs to make weapons slide |
| 19:35.34 | Zolden | this guy may become a pretty detailed warrior |
| 19:35.46 | twodie | and on shield its even visible that its has texture of Eye |
| 19:35.56 | twodie | still wip |
| 19:37.07 | twodie | got custom walk animation done too. |
| 19:37.14 | Zolden | what will be texture resolution? |
| 19:37.21 | Zolden | plan to use normal map to add details? |
| 19:37.28 | twodie | sure |
| 19:37.37 | Zolden | good |
| 19:37.39 | twodie | about texture size idk still |
| 19:37.53 | Zolden | glad you make new models |
| 19:37.56 | twodie | mb 512 to 1024 it still will depend |
| 19:38.03 | Zolden | 512 is fine |
| 19:38.19 | Zolden | 256 would be fine too |
| 19:38.33 | Zolden | also, use specular map as normal map's layer to save space |
| 19:38.52 | Zolden | normal map's red layer is unused, put specular there |
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| 19:41.10 | twodie | Currently ysing 256. Will be making 512 to have space for weapons there too |
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| 19:48.47 | JademusSreg | I return. |
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| 20:02.28 | tordy | wassup dades! |
| 20:03.06 | JademusSreg | Nathang mach tardy, jast mappang and shat. |
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| 20:05.04 | twodie | tardy :ASDAOTAOSGDfa |
| 20:05.05 | twodie | gd |
| 20:05.06 | twodie | . |
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| 20:05.29 | Kueken | palim palim |
| 20:05.38 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:05.53 | Kueken | wron answer |
| 20:06.04 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:06.13 | Kueken | correct would be: "I would like a bottle of french fries." |
| 20:06.26 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:06.30 | tordy | psyched for hots |
| 20:06.42 | JademusSreg | *Hot for HotS |
| 20:07.03 | tordy | syched |
| 20:07.07 | Kueken | jade did you play the campaign? |
| 20:07.47 | tordy | campaign was alrigth |
| 20:07.58 | tordy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.09 | Kueken | agree |
| 20:08.10 | JademusSreg | Haven't purchased the game yet. |
| 20:08.30 | tordy | ima try doin the achievements and replaying on brutal |
| 20:08.33 | JademusSreg | But that's fine; I have all the assets, data, and maps, apparently. |
| 20:08.38 | Kueken | gameplay alright, story welll, okay, conversations meh, and way too short ;) |
| 20:08.42 | tordy | Jad whaaaaaay!? |
| 20:08.52 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 20:09.39 | JademusSreg | ~tordy |
| 20:09.39 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, tordy is hots for HotS. |
| 20:09.47 | JademusSreg | True.dat |
| 20:11.57 | tordy | sdf |
| 20:12.45 | tordy | purl is purl |
| 20:12.45 | JademusSreg | Cannot parse; syntax error. |
| 20:14.41 | Kueken | I should probably get my glasses |
| 20:14.54 | JademusSreg | Damn, that sucks. Seems there are a few templates that are hardcoded references. |
| 20:15.15 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 20:15.23 | Fate | Kueken seems like u started to be active again? |
| 20:16.28 | JademusSreg | Backish. |
| 20:16.58 | Kueken | Fate: yes, sort of |
| 20:17.19 | Kueken | mostly messing around with HotS features for now |
| 20:17.27 | JademusSreg | Nuisance when one gets a call for nothing, haha. |
| 20:19.10 | Kueken | just like a metaquestion ;) |
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| 20:20.25 | Fate | kueken irc tells me u are away when i try to chat to u^^ |
| 20:21.02 | Kueken | happens |
| 20:22.32 | JamesQCarlton | Kueken, ich wil die Wahrheit f |
| 20:22.35 | JamesQCarlton | ühlen |
| 20:22.51 | JamesQCarlton | Die Warheit in deine Augenhöhlen, mit meinem pimmel. |
| 20:23.08 | Kueken | sounds nice |
| 20:23.30 | JamesQCarlton | Ofnen Sie deine Augenhöhlen für mich |
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| 20:38.12 | Kubi | ESEnvision left |
| 20:39.44 | JademusSreg | Is there a match? |
| 20:39.52 | Kubi | He makes melee maps |
| 20:40.01 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 20:41.43 | Kubi | I should do one for custom maps |
| 20:41.47 | Kubi | but i dont think anyoen would watch it |
| 20:43.40 | Kubi | I have an instant but it keeps saying Select target unit |
| 20:43.41 | Kubi | ~_~ |
| 20:43.41 | purl | STOP THAT! |
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| 20:54.30 | Fenix | I have a phoenix colored by a player. He must move through a path without hitting sides. How to make the phoenix move back a little when he hits a side? |
| 20:54.35 | Fenix | controled* |
| 20:55.18 | Fenix | i got a region all around to detect when he is over a wall |
| 20:55.36 | Kubi | Falling Tiles? |
| 20:56.02 | Fenix | um? |
| 20:56.24 | Kueken | so it should drift towards the region when leaving it, preferably without becoming uncontrollable? |
| 20:57.55 | JademusSreg | Kubi, sounds like an early effect in the effect tree is Sey with the target field set to Unit. |
| 20:57.56 | Fenix | example: http://i.imgur.com/yhZAlBz.jpg if the phoenix moves over the location I want it to stop and move back a little |
| 20:57.58 | JademusSreg | *Set |
| 20:58.08 | Kubi | I dont get it |
| 20:58.09 | Kubi | its a instant |
| 20:58.13 | Kubi | I have it set to a switch |
| 20:58.16 | Kubi | that applies a buff to source |
| 20:58.17 | Kubi | I mean |
| 20:58.18 | Kubi | caster |
| 20:58.42 | JademusSreg | Switch has the target field that only lets you set Unit or Point, yes? |
| 20:59.13 | Kueken | Fenix: in this case, just order it to move back into the region, I guess? |
| 20:59.16 | progammer | hm, 1.1 million copies of HotS sold during 2 days, not as big as I hope to be, waiting for month figures |
| 20:59.21 | progammer | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9241763/Thank_You_From_Blizzard-3_21_2013 |
| 20:59.37 | Kubi | It's on unit |
| 20:59.54 | progammer | fenix you can detect when it get out of that region, than order it to move back in the opposite direction it is currently facing |
| 20:59.56 | JademusSreg | Fen, a "repulser" effect, like the repulser fields in the challenge maps. |
| 21:00.03 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:00.23 | mille25 | progammer: where does it say that? |
| 21:00.38 | progammer | its in the interview |
| 21:00.38 | Fenix | um lets try |
| 21:00.41 | JademusSreg | Wouldn't even need regions, but you probably don't want to make a bunch of units all over. |
| 21:00.46 | progammer | i believe |
| 21:01.31 | progammer | mille25 actually here http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/press/pressreleases.html?id=9241761 |
| 21:01.45 | Kubi | What the fuck |
| 21:01.46 | JademusSreg | If you want it to retain its orders, set the unit position / move unit with a transition. |
| 21:03.55 | mille25 | progammer: ah. |
| 21:04.22 | mille25 | well i think its a pretty good number |
| 21:04.32 | mille25 | i dont have any comparison but 1.1 in 2 days sounds quite good to me. |
| 21:04.43 | progammer | 2 days is pretty good, WoL is 1.5 mil in 2 days |
| 21:04.59 | progammer | im waiting for a bigger number during the first month |
| 21:05.00 | mille25 | + i think more people will stay this time |
| 21:05.08 | mille25 | because battle.net is much better and more social. |
| 21:05.21 | JademusSreg | *Much less repulsive and clunky |
| 21:05.47 | mille25 | also there is more to do for the casual players now |
| 21:05.52 | mille25 | the leveling and reward system as an example. |
| 21:06.06 | progammer | ya lol, 1000 win get boring for some |
| 21:06.11 | mille25 | and the custom map section is also alot better compared to wol. |
| 21:06.13 | progammer | lvl is a better system |
| 21:07.06 | JademusSreg | Don't much care for that sort of metagame junk, but it doesn't -hurt- anything, just makes more tangible the system that existed previously. |
| 21:07.13 | JademusSreg | So in that regard, it's a better design. |
| 21:07.28 | mille25 | i think its important because loses get rewarded now |
| 21:07.35 | progammer | still the alternate skin is still too far away, lvl 20 each race :( |
| 21:08.17 | JademusSreg | You can do it. Nobody gamms better than you. |
| 21:09.16 | Fenix | How to do the "Move unit instantly" in in the opposite direction with an offset of like -0.5 ? |
| 21:09.41 | mille25 | you mean opposite of its facing? |
| 21:09.41 | Fenix | i mean, a unit moving into a region, i want it to mvoe back |
| 21:09.45 | progammer | move instantly will teleport the unit, if that's what you want |
| 21:09.46 | Fenix | ya |
| 21:09.56 | Fenix | i know it will teleport it |
| 21:09.57 | JademusSreg | Well, could do a radial offset using its current facing and speed. |
| 21:09.57 | Kubi | Where |
| 21:09.58 | Kubi | Weird |
| 21:09.59 | Kubi | What |
| 21:10.04 | Kubi | in the ability would it cause it to require a target? |
| 21:10.07 | Kubi | I remade it |
| 21:10.08 | Kubi | and it works now |
| 21:10.10 | Kubi | from the ability |
| 21:10.20 | JademusSreg | A target validator. |
| 21:10.34 | mille25 | Fenix: use point with polar offset function. |
| 21:10.48 | JademusSreg | -Polar- offset, hah, silly me. |
| 21:10.52 | progammer | try to specify a point a fixed distance away from the current unit's position, in the direction opposite to the unit's facing |
| 21:12.16 | Zolden_ | progammer: and what are total wol sales? |
| 21:12.16 | Kueken | you can also compare the units position with the borders of the exited region to see, in which direction you need to move it |
| 21:12.35 | progammer | zolden_ i cant remember or pull a source atm, but its around 4.5 mil |
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| 21:13.04 | Zolden_ | progammer: and how much money was spent to create wol? |
| 21:13.13 | progammer | that was before any sales though, not sure what sales figures are after the entire 2 years |
| 21:13.18 | Ownage | how do I display custom values in the little area down below where it shows attributes on a unit |
| 21:13.37 | progammer | game budget are usually not public |
| 21:13.55 | Zolden_ | just curious, is top level gamemaking can be compared to top level moviemaking |
| 21:14.07 | Rndmobjcts | anybody willing to take a look at an ability in my map and try to help me figure out the problem im having its hard to explain. |
| 21:14.20 | Ownage | explain it |
| 21:14.22 | JademusSreg | Own, how do you mean? |
| 21:14.22 | Fenix | ok sweet its working, though I'm using a Phoenix and when it hit the walls there is still it's speed for deceleration. How do i make it moving to 0 if it hits the wall? |
| 21:14.29 | Zolden_ | holliwood movies usually do 1/10, like 50 million spent, 500 earned |
| 21:14.39 | Zolden_ | so, interesting to know same numbers for sc2 |
| 21:15.25 | Fenix | oh nvm got it |
| 21:15.28 | progammer | could be aroudn that, but the budge numbers are never made publicly so we can't really compare |
| 21:15.39 | progammer | besides big game that failed happen often |
| 21:15.56 | Zolden | hmm, strange, why movimakers don't hide budgets |
| 21:16.11 | progammer | as with movies, with enough marketting budget, will always perform enough |
| 21:16.28 | Ownage | always, no |
| 21:16.42 | Ownage | many movies are advertised big and still flop |
| 21:16.48 | Ownage | now someone answer my question |
| 21:17.05 | progammer | "enough" marketting |
| 21:17.10 | JademusSreg | Own, how do you mean? |
| 21:17.13 | Zolden | yea, gamers are scurpulose in choosing games, because you spend 2 hours on a movie, and 2 weeks on a game |
| 21:17.24 | progammer | exception happens of course |
| 21:17.37 | Ownage | "custom value for unit" -> can I display this value near the shield and weapon icons |
| 21:17.57 | Ownage | like how attributes are shown |
| 21:18.12 | progammer | that i'm not sure, could be possible with data wizards |
| 21:18.25 | Rndmobjcts | i followed this tutorial to make it http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/10948-data-simple-one-shot-linear-attacks/#posts but when i fire it it shoots like three targets in a cone multiple times |
| 21:19.05 | Rndmobjcts | like it will shoot the beam once then it will split into three and do multiple times the damage to each unit |
| 21:19.33 | Rndmobjcts | three or more rather |
| 21:19.48 | Fenix | ah well, finally it does do what i though lol: "Unit - Reset max speed value for (Triggering unit)" doesnt set its current speed to 0. How to make a unit stop instantly...? |
| 21:19.53 | Fenix | does not* |
| 21:20.02 | Zolden | your search effect probably finds 3 targets, and applies launch to each one |
| 21:20.17 | JademusSreg | Hahaha, found some damn elusive frames! |
| 21:20.43 | progammer | reset max speed value "reset it", you might try something that specifically set it to 0 |
| 21:20.51 | JademusSreg | Own, you could make it work via trigger. Put a label down there, display for a selected unit. |
| 21:20.53 | progammer | or just remove the unit's ability to move |
| 21:21.13 | Rndmobjcts | the maximum count on the search is 1 |
| 21:22.00 | Ownage | I'll look into that. alternatively is there a way to set an attribute amount via trigger |
| 21:22.11 | Ownage | like change unit 'strength' to 256780 |
| 21:22.23 | JademusSreg | Yeah, probably. |
| 21:22.28 | JademusSreg | I'll check the natives. |
| 21:22.37 | Fenix | disabling the move ability doesnt work. Still decelerate. |
| 21:23.01 | Ownage | Rndmobjcts, so what's the issue |
| 21:23.59 | JademusSreg | Own, have you tried setting behavior count? |
| 21:24.04 | Rndmobjcts | Ownage: when i fire the ability everything works fine except when it collides with a unit, the beam fires at multiple units and does damage more than once. |
| 21:24.23 | JademusSreg | For buffs, that means stacks. I would -hope- it increases points for attributes. |
| 21:24.51 | Ownage | I tried adding 5 of a test attr and it still showed it as test: 0 |
| 21:25.11 | JademusSreg | Shit. |
| 21:25.12 | Ownage | I think it just literally is doing the useless 'adding the attribute 5 times' |
| 21:25.34 | JademusSreg | Make a behavior that mods the attribute by 1 point. |
| 21:25.36 | Ownage | Rndmobjcts, that sounds like what it was supposed to do. can you elaborate one what you expect vs what it does |
| 21:25.45 | JademusSreg | Add stacks to increase, remove stacks to decrease. |
| 21:25.47 | Ownage | oh that's an idea, let me try that thanks |
| 21:25.51 | Fenix | well fount that pausing the unit then unpausing it makes it stops instantly |
| 21:26.56 | Rndmobjcts | Ownage: well i thought it was suppose to just be a bullet simulation as he stated in the tutorial but instead its like a sniper bullet that turns into a machine gun assault lol. |
| 21:28.38 | Ownage | hmm, I found a way to set it to 1 but not to add 1 JademusSreg |
| 21:28.47 | Ownage | oh wait maybe it's not stackable |
| 21:29.29 | Ownage | yep it worked, thanks JademusSreg |
| 21:30.16 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 21:38.48 | progammer | lol this DLC Quest game, funny how their FreeDLC campaign is much better than the actual game, still funny nonetheless |
| 21:40.24 | JademusSreg | I expect that was intentional. |
| 21:40.27 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:41.29 | progammer | it was somewhat intentional, better executed if they pretend and release the game and the freedlc at the same time, but in reality they develop and release the dlc only for the steam release |
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| 21:43.54 | sadqq | can't target ice rock |
| 21:44.02 | sadqq | how do i target and destroy it |
| 21:44.07 | sadqq | ice rock unit |
| 21:45.01 | sadqq | i can't kill ice rock |
| 21:45.46 | JademusSreg | Shoot it. |
| 21:45.51 | JademusSreg | With a gun. |
| 21:46.18 | JademusSreg | Then bury the monitor in a desert. |
| 21:47.10 | sadqq | oh |
| 21:47.19 | sadqq | it was invulnerable by trigger lol |
| 21:47.27 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:52.34 | JademusSreg | So far, the client string dump has yielded a complete list of layout classes and subframe references. Just need finish mining the frame types and frame elements. |
| 21:53.16 | progammer | error 3007 lost connection from server. good joke, DLC quest |
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| 22:09.56 | Ahli | :) |
| 22:10.40 | Dogmai | so bored |
| 22:10.41 | JademusSreg | Learning more about how this shit is referenced, as well. |
| 22:13.18 | Ownage | how can I associate two units with each other, like remember which unit spawned another (not built) |
| 22:13.38 | Ownage | is there like a custom value which is a unit type or something |
| 22:14.29 | JademusSreg | Perhaps the same way the autoturret gives its kills to the casting raven. |
| 22:14.52 | Ownage | ah yes exactly |
| 22:15.05 | Ownage | I'll take a look |
| 22:16.16 | reaperguyver | Hello |
| 22:16.24 | Deaod | anybody here familiar with c/c++? |
| 22:16.36 | reaperguyver | no I failed that class >.< |
| 22:16.43 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 22:19.40 | Fenix | Yeeeaahh :D My 3 new minigames are working and my first one is still buggy >.< For a total of 3/4 =D |
| 22:20.23 | Fenix | I'm making a minigame map like "Raynor's party" but with many more minigame, less complicated to make too. |
| 22:20.36 | Fenix | Based on Mario party map from sc1 |
| 22:20.54 | Fenix | that had 128 minigames |
| 22:21.39 | Ahli | it wasn't called mario party on sc1. it was mini-game party |
| 22:21.39 | Fenix | So let's take a break before I get stuck and lose my patience :D |
| 22:21.46 | Fenix | oh yeah |
| 22:21.47 | Fenix | sorry |
| 22:21.52 | Ahli | ^^ |
| 22:22.14 | Fenix | it's an awesome map btw :D |
| 22:22.18 | Kueken | hm |
| 22:22.34 | Fenix | One of the best of sc1 for sure |
| 22:22.43 | Ahli | yeah... unbelievable to come up with that many with the present limitations |
| 22:22.57 | Fenix | =P |
| 22:23.02 | Kueken | when I copy the siege tank weapon's physics stuff, only the main target gets affected by physics :( |
| 22:23.54 | Ahli | create a physics bubble like widow mine |
| 22:24.22 | Ahli | maybe the siege tank impact effect has something like that, additionally |
| 22:24.42 | Ahli | because siege tanks can make the corpses around fly... =/ |
| 22:25.00 | Kueken | widow mine force looks exactly the same as siege tank force |
| 22:26.08 | Ahli | mysterious |
| 22:26.48 | Kueken | I even parented all the actors on the siege tank actors |
| 22:27.00 | Kueken | so literally every field is the same |
| 22:27.04 | Kueken | except the ids |
| 22:27.29 | Fenix | old starcraft video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6kAlgRAJGJU =D |
| 22:29.11 | reaperguyver | I have an odd and slightly stupid question. |
| 22:29.20 | reaperguyver | Is there any way to set the game time back to 0? |
| 22:29.40 | Fenix | fake it? |
| 22:30.01 | Ahli | actually, I don't think so |
| 22:30.59 | Kueken | ahli, did you successfully create such a physics bubble? |
| 22:31.06 | reaperguyver | I need to figure out how to do this then... |
| 22:31.40 | Kueken | I can do single target physics, no problem, but so far I didn't manage to make it affect an area at all |
| 22:31.52 | Fenix | reaperguyver, I would have a variable that constantly add +1 every game sec and reset it when u want. Have a dialog over the game time that display the numbers |
| 22:32.02 | Fenix | that what I would try. |
| 22:32.06 | Ownage | hmm I don't see anything obvious as to why raven gets the kills |
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| 22:32.29 | Kueken | from auto turrets? |
| 22:32.33 | reaperguyver | That would work. I was personally using the in game time as a reference but I think that would work better overall thank you. |
| 22:32.48 | Ownage | yeah |
| 22:32.49 | Fenix | np |
| 22:32.54 | Ahli | kueken, I didn't create anything with physics, yet |
| 22:32.58 | Kueken | its tied into the timed life behavior |
| 22:33.29 | Kueken | the Kill Credit field is set to Caster |
| 22:33.35 | Ownage | ah right just found it thanks |
| 22:34.12 | Ownage | don't think that helps me unless I redesign my map |
| 22:34.25 | Ownage | trying to credit spawner buildings with their spawn's kills |
| 22:34.46 | Ownage | looks like this would make me have to make the buildings cast a summon instead of using create unit |
| 22:35.31 | Rndmobjcts | this might be the stupidest thing you have heard all day but just from quick glance at the problem couldnt you just make the building an uncontrollable unit instead of a building? |
| 22:35.50 | Ownage | who are you talking to |
| 22:35.56 | Rndmobjcts | u |
| 22:36.09 | Ownage | that is pretty stupid yeah :) |
| 22:36.15 | Ownage | buildings are units |
| 22:36.40 | Ownage | but I'm watching 1990s tv so it's not the stupidest thing today |
| 22:36.45 | Rndmobjcts | oh ok, never messed with any lol |
| 22:37.03 | Ownage | there's no difference |
| 22:38.09 | Ownage | well let me think what I should do.. redesign the whole thing or do it with triggers |
| 22:39.43 | reaperguyver | hhhmmm |
| 22:39.53 | reaperguyver | having trouble figureing how to call this in an action.... |
| 22:40.00 | reaperguyver | eerr |
| 22:40.01 | reaperguyver | event |
| 22:40.09 | reaperguyver | whatever I'll get back to this sorry I ramble |
| 22:40.39 | Ownage | what you trying to do |
| 22:41.54 | reaperguyver | have something count up and every time it hits a number do a set of actions and reset. |
| 22:42.09 | reaperguyver | I can do the counting up part. |
| 22:42.20 | Ownage | if then else |
| 22:42.27 | Ownage | in the trigger you are counting with |
| 22:42.52 | reaperguyver | okay. thanks didn't even look there was trying to make 2 triggers for some stupid reason. |
| 22:43.00 | Ownage | :) |
| 22:44.09 | Fenix | i would make a while that constantly add +1, wait 1 game time sec. And an if then else within that check for the number you wish and do action. |
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| 22:47.26 | Ownage | see you never know when someone will say something more stupid than you |
| 22:47.42 | Ownage | make you feel smart |
| 22:47.47 | Ownage | until jade starts yapping |
| 22:48.53 | reaperguyver | I think that worked thank you. |
| 22:48.58 | reaperguyver | down to 42 triggers now. |
| 22:49.22 | reaperguyver | oh? |
| 22:49.34 | reaperguyver | I'll try to remember that for later |
| 22:49.46 | reaperguyver | I just said every 1 second add +1 to variable. |
| 22:49.53 | reaperguyver | bbl |
| 22:49.56 | Ownage | 42 triggers? haha keep going |
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| 23:01.09 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
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| 23:04.33 | Bounty | I swear to jebus JademusSreg this game is never getting released |
| 23:04.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:04.39 | JademusSreg | Evar. |
| 23:04.58 | Bounty | Like... ZERO testers |
| 23:05.26 | Bounty | game has been "done" for a few days now lol |
| 23:05.43 | JademusSreg | I could make some suggestions to keep you busy. |
| 23:06.10 | Bounty | well i wanna get what i ahve done now tester before i do anything but sure |
| 23:06.16 | Bounty | im listening |
| 23:06.47 | JademusSreg | Are the battlefields generated or static? |
| 23:06.55 | Bounty | static |
| 23:06.58 | Bounty | hence why you vote |
| 23:06.59 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:07.05 | JademusSreg | Alright. Switch to generated. |
| 23:07.31 | JademusSreg | You'll be able to support an unlimited number of battlefields that way. |
| 23:07.53 | Bounty | what do you mean by generated |
| 23:07.59 | Bounty | Randomly generated |
| 23:08.07 | Bounty | or randomly selected from presets |
| 23:08.08 | JademusSreg | Not -random-. |
| 23:08.35 | JademusSreg | But rather, stored as data, generated as needed. |
| 23:09.19 | Bounty | Thats alot of work, tell you what. If i actually get testers and people play the game then sure :) |
| 23:09.45 | Bounty | anything else? I already knew you were going to bring that one up |
| 23:10.28 | JademusSreg | Additionally, larger battlefields, and more design exhibited. Each one should feel handcrafted for awesomeness, |
| 23:10.47 | Bounty | You dont like the current ones? |
| 23:10.50 | Bounty | design wise |
| 23:11.26 | JademusSreg | They are all rather the same, and disorientingly homogenous. |
| 23:11.48 | Bounty | how are they the same? |
| 23:11.51 | Bounty | curious |
| 23:12.25 | JademusSreg | Many animals use landmark-oriented navigation; without significant features in an environment, a space is disorienting. |
| 23:12.46 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:12.56 | JademusSreg | But in a more general sense, it's like playing alien legos, only you're the lego man. |
| 23:13.27 | JademusSreg | Or like those metal pellet maze navigation puzzles. |
| 23:14.07 | Bounty | alien legos lol |
| 23:14.48 | Bounty | anything else? |
| 23:14.51 | JademusSreg | You put a lot of great work into previous terrains, and I think in the rush toward pewpew glory, you may have overlooked it. |
| 23:15.18 | Bounty | I didnt rush, i just dont have to design the terrain in this one |
| 23:15.24 | Bounty | its more about wall placement and spheres |
| 23:15.45 | Bounty | Thats why there are only 3 maps and not 50 lol |
| 23:15.50 | JademusSreg | Save avatar settings, so those are the defaults next game. |
| 23:16.34 | JademusSreg | You've got a novel mechanic, but not enough space or time for players to appreciate it. |
| 23:16.54 | JademusSreg | Thus my emphasis on the terrain design. |
| 23:17.20 | Bounty | not sure exactly what to do to the terrain, everyone said they love the way it looks |
| 23:17.40 | JademusSreg | Everyone is an idiot, no exceptions. |
| 23:17.53 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:17.53 | Bounty | Just sayin |
| 23:17.55 | Bounty | :) |
| 23:18.19 | JademusSreg | I'll put it this in more personable terms. |
| 23:19.00 | JademusSreg | I like the mechanic, it has so much potential, but the terrain design doesn't have me looking forward to playing it. I want to have that feeling. |
| 23:19.25 | Bounty | Well i need ideas then bc idk what else to do |
| 23:19.31 | Bounty | Took me long enough to think of what i have now lol |
| 23:20.07 | JademusSreg | Tap into that creativity you used on the other maps. =D |
| 23:20.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:20.40 | Bounty | yeah that creativity that excludes people who dont play on extreme settings |
| 23:20.41 | JademusSreg | Like the developers of Hawken, you'd use lots of simple assets to construct lots of big things. |
| 23:21.09 | JademusSreg | You're the motherfucker who made a goddamn piano out of generic shapes. |
| 23:21.20 | Bounty | LOL |
| 23:21.24 | Bounty | oh yeah, i forgot about that |
| 23:21.25 | Bounty | wow |
| 23:21.30 | Bounty | dat map |
| 23:21.34 | Bounty | was my greatest terrain ever |
| 23:22.42 | JademusSreg | My point is that you can do the terrain, and you can make the map worth testing and worth playing if you put in the time. Now is not even close to the time to enjoy the accolades. |
| 23:23.04 | Deaod | except the devs of hawken had no idea how to actually make maps so theyre redoing them all. |
| 23:23.09 | JademusSreg | (Shhh) |
| 23:23.25 | Deaod | they look good, no doubt |
| 23:23.48 | Deaod | they just suffer from framerate issues because every little detail is geometry. |
| 23:23.55 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 23:24.25 | JademusSreg | That's not the point, funny as it is. |
| 23:24.36 | Deaod | just saying... |
| 23:24.39 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:25.10 | Deaod | also, jade are you still learning C++? |
| 23:25.22 | JademusSreg | I am learning all the things. |
| 23:25.40 | JademusSreg | But you know this server has a dedicated c++ channel, yeah? |
| 23:25.48 | Deaod | yes |
| 23:26.13 | Deaod | but somehow i feel its more adequate to waste the time of someone i know :D |
| 23:26.25 | JademusSreg | Well, field the question. If I'm ignorant, I'll say as much. =D |
| 23:26.49 | Deaod | anyway, can you tell me whether im going insane for thinking this up? http://pastebin.com/V9D3wmXi |
| 23:27.35 | Zolden | wtf is it Deaod |
| 23:27.41 | Deaod | because i wouldnt trust myself or anyone with more than a couple years experience working at my company. |
| 23:28.12 | Deaod | it generates strings for JNI identifiers |
| 23:28.23 | Deaod | JNI = java native interface |
| 23:28.50 | Deaod | you need those strings for example to identify which method of an object to call from C++ code |
| 23:29.09 | Deaod | hence the JNIS_METHOD_* macros |
| 23:29.19 | JademusSreg | Is this something you're considering deploying in an enterprise environment? Because -that- would be scary, in the sense of unproven code. |
| 23:29.39 | Deaod | nope, just something im writing for myself |
| 23:29.55 | Deaod | maybe ill introduce it if i see the need for it |
| 23:30.10 | Deaod | honestly, it cant be much worse than what we already have lying around |
| 23:30.18 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 23:30.50 | Deaod | you know how people always say to never implement my own crypto stuff? |
| 23:31.05 | Deaod | well, instead of using OpenSSL, were rolling our own |
| 23:31.13 | Kueken | www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/50327-problems-getting-a-spheric-physics-impact-to-work |
| 23:31.24 | Deaod | instead of using some proven version of RSA, were rolling our own |
| 23:31.28 | Kueken | if anyone wants to take a look, would be helpful ;) |
| 23:31.47 | Deaod | and the GOTOs |
| 23:31.56 | Deaod | dont forget about those fuckers |
| 23:31.58 | JademusSreg | I dig the idea, rather like the idea of doing highly optimized workloads in C++ and shifting the loads less suceptible to bottlenecks to the Java. |
| 23:32.27 | Deaod | actually, were just using it for interfacing with WIN32API stuff |
| 23:32.33 | JademusSreg | Awwww. |
| 23:32.56 | Deaod | although the rendering code for our RDP client should call down to native code at some point |
| 23:33.08 | Deaod | the rest isnt all that intensive |
| 23:33.26 | Deaod | well, not exclusively WIN32API |
| 23:33.35 | Deaod | but some things just have to be done natively |
| 23:35.31 | JademusSreg | Just saying. Imagine if MineCraft used a C++/Java hybrid approach, that shit wouldn't be so damn terrible and you could actually unburden the CPU with all the graphical computation and simulation more readily. |
| 23:35.35 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:35.54 | Deaod | thats exactly what it was intended for |
| 23:36.06 | Deaod | but JNI is apparently a bitch to deal with |
| 23:36.17 | JademusSreg | Yes. Hell yes. Hell fucking yes. |
| 23:36.19 | Deaod | so much potential for deadlocks and shit |
| 23:36.33 | Zolden | Kueken: aren't additional actors involved in this? |
| 23:36.46 | JademusSreg | Not that MineCraft is all that fun, but I'd enjoy it more if it didn't chug on my sexy CPU. |
| 23:37.14 | Zolden | there may be an actor which creates a ragdoll body if tank attack happens, and you may need to put your new weapon there as the event too |
| 23:37.24 | Zolden | only a random guess |
| 23:38.20 | JademusSreg | Deaod, the only sensible thing to do is to scale up the test implementations until you find a technical issue, solve, repeat until you find the limits of the approach. |
| 23:41.34 | JademusSreg | Note that Minecraft has to get to the native code, too, but it does it too late, iirc, in part because of its old version of a graphics library (which you're probably familiar with in any case). |
| 23:42.08 | Deaod | not all that familiar, but it should be AWT |
| 23:42.12 | Bommes | Kueken: You have to set up AoE effects in the Event Macro that links physics effects |
| 23:42.14 | Bommes | to make them work |
| 23:42.29 | Deaod | hmm |
| 23:42.40 | Bommes | there is some kind of Actor Event that is called "DeathCustomize" withe the term "KilledByEffect" |
| 23:42.44 | JademusSreg | LWJGL |
| 23:42.46 | JademusSreg | HAhaha |
| 23:42.51 | Kueken | Bommes: seriously? |
| 23:43.01 | Kueken | okay |
| 23:43.03 | Deaod | LightWeightJavaGraphicsLibrary? |
| 23:43.04 | Bommes | yes look into Physics Swarm Death Ground or whatever it is called |
| 23:43.09 | Deaod | hm |
| 23:43.10 | JademusSreg | Yar. |
| 23:43.11 | Bommes | the one that is in every Event Macro list of the units |
| 23:43.24 | Bommes | and you will find the Siege Tank Damage Effect in there |
| 23:43.28 | Deaod | no idea, never used it |
| 23:43.46 | Kueken | thanks |
| 23:43.51 | Deaod | is it a lightweight wrapper around OpenGL? |
| 23:44.44 | Kueken | Bommes: and why does it work on the main target without it being registered in the macro? |
| 23:44.55 | JademusSreg | I think it added OpenGL some time ago, but that's not its purpose, as I recall. |
| 23:45.06 | Bommes | I think because thats get handled by the Impact Physics of the Action Actor |
| 23:45.17 | Bommes | but fun fact, I think you can use the things that you have in Impact Physics |
| 23:45.21 | Bommes | and put them in Damage Physics |
| 23:45.22 | Bommes | and it might work |
| 23:45.27 | Bommes | I'm not 100% sure though |
| 23:45.28 | Deaod | hmmm |
| 23:45.51 | JademusSreg | But I, personally, avoid graphics. The more levels of abstraction between me and the hardware, the happier I am. |
| 23:46.11 | Bommes | because the Impact Physics thing gets only triggered on the actor that is referenced as the impactguide or whatever it is called I think |
| 23:46.15 | Bommes | but I'm really not sure on all of this |
| 23:46.16 | Deaod | im interested because whatever were currently doing isnt fast enough for the hardware were using at our offices |
| 23:46.19 | Bommes | I barely tested it |
| 23:46.34 | JademusSreg | Give it a shot. =D |
| 23:47.09 | Deaod | i think i will |
| 23:47.18 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I'll return to my work. |
| 23:47.20 | Bommes | Kueken: Okay so the Impact Physics thing just fires the Force Effect and the Damage Physics does the same, just on every target |
| 23:47.22 | Bounty | back JademusSreg |
| 23:47.24 | Bommes | which is not really what you want I guess |
| 23:47.33 | Bounty | So, you know why the levels are the way they are right? |
| 23:47.35 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 23:47.36 | Bommes | but good that I tested it right now because otherwise I would have probably misused it ^^ |
| 23:49.42 | Kueken | alright, registering the effect in the macro worked :) |
| 23:50.26 | Kueken | but Blizzard: I do not approve. Do you hear me? I DO NOT. |
| 23:50.44 | Bommes | :D |
| 23:51.04 | Bommes | it's selecting textures all over again! |
| 23:52.34 | Bommes | I hope they make a real interface for modifying actor events at some point |
| 23:52.48 | Bommes | I mean theoretically you can do so much awesome stuff with that and there are so much possibilities |
| 23:52.59 | Bommes | *many |
| 23:55.59 | Ownage | man this really sucks |
| 23:56.04 | Ownage | I guess I will just trigger it |
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