| 00:00.24 | Bounty | God i've been listening to Video Game music for so long i forgot almost all the good bands i used to listen to |
| 00:01.33 | JademusSreg | Perhaps you can find purely instrumental variants. |
| 00:02.24 | Bounty | All i can find are covers |
| 00:02.25 | IskatuMesk | sup jademussreg |
| 00:02.44 | Bounty | I wish more metal songs had instrumental versions lol |
| 00:02.53 | IskatuMesk | http://i.imgur.com/ha9xQXS.jpg that ship from yesterday, I will likely do a few minor changes to it before it goes in though |
| 00:02.54 | JademusSreg | Good evening Mesk. |
| 00:03.50 | xcorbo | Hi |
| 00:03.54 | JademusSreg | It reminds me of a Coelacanth. |
| 00:03.56 | xcorbo | Ohey mesk |
| 00:03.59 | IskatuMesk | hi |
| 00:04.15 | xcorbo | Have you tried any of them in the exporter? |
| 00:04.24 | IskatuMesk | yeah we have animated stuff in sc2 |
| 00:04.29 | IskatuMesk | haven't tried these ships specifically |
| 00:04.33 | xcorbo | Does it kill it like the other one? |
| 00:04.34 | xcorbo | Oh |
| 00:04.39 | xcorbo | Animated stuff? |
| 00:04.44 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 00:04.46 | IskatuMesk | apex buildings |
| 00:04.55 | IskatuMesk | with example particles, global animations, and protoss power lines |
| 00:05.10 | IskatuMesk | well as an idea of export times |
| 00:05.15 | IskatuMesk | antharas took 5 hours or so before |
| 00:05.17 | IskatuMesk | took 5 seconds now |
| 00:05.28 | IskatuMesk | also no busted vertexes |
| 00:05.56 | IskatuMesk | we were gonna put the juggernaut in but the model is such a mess and the sc2 exporter has an object limit |
| 00:05.59 | IskatuMesk | so we decided to ignore it |
| 00:06.20 | IskatuMesk | I just assume it works, no reason for it not to |
| 00:06.24 | IskatuMesk | more complex stuff works |
| 00:06.29 | xcorbo | I remember the juggernaut |
| 00:06.39 | IskatuMesk | however, I would probably not put a turret heavy unit into sc2 |
| 00:06.45 | xcorbo | That was the undead ship that looked lime a bc right? |
| 00:06.49 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 00:07.18 | IskatuMesk | it's a mesh someone had skinned for me |
| 00:07.23 | IskatuMesk | that I had to rebuild the uvs and everything for |
| 00:07.26 | IskatuMesk | but the mesh itself is 110k tri |
| 00:07.42 | IskatuMesk | it works fine in sc2 with the old exporter minus all the smoothing issues and random backfacing it had a habit of doing |
| 00:07.49 | IskatuMesk | but yeah, nothing compared to my new stuff |
| 00:08.15 | IskatuMesk | sc2 still doesn't support pitch on turrets right? |
| 00:09.53 | IskatuMesk | crickets |
| 00:10.05 | IskatuMesk | distinct memories about how impossible it was to find any info about turrets |
| 00:10.37 | JademusSreg | Tonight, working on Bounty's photoshoplings, then tinkering with dialog control templates. |
| 00:10.50 | IskatuMesk | tonight, maybe rigging that ship |
| 00:11.02 | IskatuMesk | my CTS will be having one hell of a time |
| 00:11.13 | IskatuMesk | but it needs to get done |
| 00:11.37 | IskatuMesk | soon I need to practice my voice acting for this, and for Apex again |
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| 00:12.51 | JademusSreg | Hey Mesk, HotS == DragonBall Z |
| 00:13.07 | IskatuMesk | it's true |
| 00:13.17 | IskatuMesk | oh fuck I realized that render is missing beam cannons on the opposing side |
| 00:13.23 | IskatuMesk | I might ram the poly limit with those |
| 00:14.19 | IskatuMesk | ah boy, this will be interesting if it converts |
| 00:14.27 | JademusSreg | How much detail can you afford to bake into the normals? |
| 00:14.35 | IskatuMesk | I have no idea how to bake normals |
| 00:14.42 | IskatuMesk | that stuff is beyond me |
| 00:15.34 | JademusSreg | Nor do I, as I am not a modeler, but am aware it is a thing. =D |
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| 00:19.22 | IskatuMesk | I am not a modeler either really |
| 00:19.29 | IskatuMesk | I just press extrude and hope for the best |
| 00:19.57 | IskatuMesk | this was actually the first ship that was built out of multiple parts |
| 00:20.18 | IskatuMesk | I couldn't figure out how to favorably extrude the base mesh so I made some boxes and extruded those instead |
| 00:20.57 | IskatuMesk | incidentally, this makes the hull considerably high poly compared to my other models, and managing the gun polies was tougher as a result |
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| 00:21.33 | IskatuMesk | it means nothing for performance, games can handle 100k tri models without a sweat these days, but the converter can only handle 50k tri because it was programmed in .net 2.0 by retards |
| 00:21.52 | JademusSreg | Sounds like sculpting with a bridge from stone with a spoon. |
| 00:22.00 | JademusSreg | *-with |
| 00:22.02 | IskatuMesk | something like that |
| 00:22.31 | IskatuMesk | I would just use a particle mesh to get past this problem, but the engine is from 1999 and generates bloom on particle meshes for some reason, a nono obviously |
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| 00:23.43 | JademusSreg | Unless you want a massive fuzzy smear. Which sounds interesting, might like to see that. |
| 00:23.54 | IskatuMesk | if I run into problems I guess I can shave some polies off the metalstorm cannons |
| 00:24.15 | IskatuMesk | unfortunately even the bloom in the game doesn't work properly, it doesn't display against meshes, ergo the turrets and stuff would have a weird outline-esque glow |
| 00:25.07 | IskatuMesk | sc2 has proper bloom... once you fix the bad default lighting and change all of the goofy low res blizzard textures, I'm sure you could make stuff look pretty |
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| 00:25.27 | Factoryship | Hello |
| 00:25.42 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 00:25.49 | Factoryship | I just posted a 4v4 map to BattleNet, but I can't move people around in the lobby |
| 00:26.03 | Factoryship | Ideally if I had two players I could have 1 on team 1 and the other on team 2 |
| 00:26.03 | IskatuMesk | unfortunately my experiments to give terrain high rez textures were a failure back in the day, they literally can't handle higher rez textures for some reason |
| 00:26.44 | IskatuMesk | there's a console prompt to increase tiling rate, but I want to avoid tiling :( |
| 00:27.04 | JademusSreg | Fact, if it's a melee map, then it should allow it. If it's not, you need Custom Teams and not locked game variant stuff defined. |
| 00:29.27 | Factoryship | It is an Arcade map, pre-placed structure stuff. In Game Variants - Player Attributes under 'teams' I set it to custom teams |
| 00:29.47 | Factoryship | Player 1-4 set to Team 1, Players 5-6 set to Team 2 |
| 00:30.12 | JademusSreg | Make sure they are not locked to those teams. |
| 00:30.22 | JademusSreg | Should be a checkbox or some shit for it. |
| 00:31.00 | IskatuMesk | I'll box your check |
| 00:31.03 | Factoryship | 'Locked on Team' checkmark in the lower window now unchecked. What about the one in the upper window that says 'Locked Teams'? |
| 00:31.06 | JademusSreg | Rawr. <3 |
| 00:31.19 | Factoryship | Does that just lock the changing of 4v4, 3v3 etc |
| 00:32.09 | JademusSreg | I assume it locks the number of teams. |
| 00:32.37 | Factoryship | Testing, thanks |
| 00:35.09 | JademusSreg | Zol could probably explain normal map generation, Mesk. |
| 00:37.07 | IskatuMesk | probably would be all greek to me |
| 00:37.09 | sharf | ok...there has to be ab etter way to do this |
| 00:37.10 | IskatuMesk | I'm not an artist |
| 00:37.33 | sharf | I want a passive icon that goes along with the dummy ability you learn/level up, right now I have reqs for it |
| 00:38.07 | JademusSreg | You've already got a high poly mesh, so that much is done, haha. |
| 00:38.17 | IskatuMesk | nah this is low poly |
| 00:38.23 | IskatuMesk | high poly would be 500k-1mill |
| 00:38.30 | JademusSreg | Relatively speaking, of course. |
| 00:38.31 | IskatuMesk | I can't make high poly stuff |
| 00:38.58 | JademusSreg | Relative to SC2 units, that is to say. |
| 00:39.08 | IskatuMesk | if I ever figure out how to model any good I'll worry about texturing then |
| 00:39.24 | xcorboMobile | You can put as much detail as you wish in your normal maps |
| 00:39.24 | JademusSreg | sharf, wat? |
| 00:39.30 | sharf | ok sorry |
| 00:39.34 | sharf | kind of stopped mid thought |
| 00:39.38 | IskatuMesk | I am historically terrible with everything graphics, and I have a very hard time learning, so I need to focus on the one thing for a few decades |
| 00:39.41 | sharf | have a learn ability, one of the abilities is a passive |
| 00:39.43 | sharf | it has 3 tiers |
| 00:40.06 | xcorboMobile | But it wont matter since when you convert to sc2normalmap you lose information anyway |
| 00:40.07 | sharf | so the passive icon on the command card uses reqs to display, referencing the dummy learnable ability |
| 00:40.16 | IskatuMesk | yeah sins is like that too |
| 00:40.23 | xcorboMobile | So i would not bother acually baking normal maps |
| 00:40.30 | sharf | but, If I want a different tooltip for each passive level, I'll need 3 buttons, no? |
| 00:40.43 | IskatuMesk | for sc2, anything mechanical I can probably get away doing what I do for the dyiithjhinn |
| 00:40.53 | IskatuMesk | which is multiple global texture sets and clever component material setup |
| 00:40.56 | xcorboMobile | Just grab a normal map generator and turn it into that orange crap blizzard calls normal maps and you are done |
| 00:41.05 | JademusSreg | sharf, yeah, pretty much. |
| 00:41.20 | sharf | mmk |
| 00:41.24 | IskatuMesk | for characters, I'd be ripping and kitbashing those with mechanical stuff, so they might be even easier overall |
| 00:41.26 | sharf | the level base tooltip wont work :P |
| 00:41.29 | xcorboMobile | Oh sorry mesk |
| 00:41.50 | xcorboMobile | I regret to inform you you cant do that with sc2shaders |
| 00:41.57 | IskatuMesk | what |
| 00:42.04 | IskatuMesk | I've already done it... |
| 00:42.09 | xcorboMobile | Apparently the exporter does not support multi subobject material |
| 00:42.12 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 00:42.14 | IskatuMesk | I split the meshes |
| 00:42.19 | xcorboMobile | Looool |
| 00:42.24 | IskatuMesk | yep. |
| 00:42.36 | xcorboMobile | Well i do think there is a way that no one has tried. |
| 00:42.43 | xcorboMobile | Using uv channels. |
| 00:42.45 | IskatuMesk | sc2 can only handle 64 objects but that should be easy for everything but the most complex of characters |
| 00:42.59 | IskatuMesk | like if I wanted to armor plate a dragon i might have trouble |
| 00:43.07 | xcorboMobile | One single texture multiple uv coordinates and multiple channels for those coordinates |
| 00:43.08 | IskatuMesk | since each object would need to be attached to their own bones |
| 00:43.19 | IskatuMesk | yeah. that kind of stuff is too complex for me |
| 00:43.36 | xcorboMobile | Its pretty simple really |
| 00:43.53 | xcorboMobile | Just mechanical once you learn it |
| 00:43.56 | IskatuMesk | https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/a45893a63b0f6746b8c0866994644332/tumblr_mhhkpv4nNE1rm9t8io1_1280.png |
| 00:43.59 | IskatuMesk | that's only 3 objects |
| 00:44.03 | IskatuMesk | and it would work inside sc2 the same way |
| 00:45.29 | xcorboMobile | What if i told you you coukd do it wih just one mesh :p |
| 00:45.43 | xcorboMobile | I still have not tried it but it should work |
| 00:45.50 | xcorboMobile | *Should* |
| 00:45.51 | IskatuMesk | it wouldn't make much difference really |
| 00:46.03 | IskatuMesk | the objects are technically still the same mesh as far as the game cares |
| 00:46.07 | IskatuMesk | so it's not much work to set up |
| 00:46.19 | xcorboMobile | In terms of engine efficiency it would |
| 00:46.32 | IskatuMesk | well, I don't care about performance on low-end hardware |
| 00:46.39 | IskatuMesk | otherwise my fighters wouldn't be 15k tri |
| 00:46.48 | IskatuMesk | and I wouldn't have 150 guns per ship |
| 00:46.51 | xcorboMobile | I mean common its like a 10 year old engine, give it a little help :p |
| 00:47.05 | IskatuMesk | I gave sc2 a good performance test already |
| 00:47.18 | IskatuMesk | 3 dozen 110k tri models with 5-6 sets of 4kx4k textures a piece |
| 00:47.20 | IskatuMesk | -1fps |
| 00:47.35 | IskatuMesk | it will be all the pathing and AI that kills the project's performance, and nothing I can do about that |
| 00:48.13 | IskatuMesk | oh yeah. and minerals. |
| 00:48.20 | IskatuMesk | the mineral shader is actually quite a significant hit |
| 00:48.27 | IskatuMesk | but that's easy to change |
| 00:48.32 | xcorboMobile | Dude |
| 00:48.42 | xcorboMobile | Minerals suck |
| 00:48.56 | IskatuMesk | I guess I should worry about particles |
| 00:48.59 | xcorboMobile | Make me play on medium on my laptop lololol |
| 00:49.03 | IskatuMesk | but sc2's performance with particles can't be as bad as sins |
| 00:49.17 | IskatuMesk | sins doesn't cull |
| 00:49.18 | IskatuMesk | at all |
| 00:49.20 | xcorboMobile | Hmmm i think it is worse |
| 00:49.35 | IskatuMesk | well, sc2 has a larger texture tile limit |
| 00:49.42 | IskatuMesk | so I can just use animated textures gratuitously |
| 00:49.48 | IskatuMesk | which I can't do in sins |
| 00:49.51 | IskatuMesk | because 20 frame limit :3 |
| 00:50.10 | IskatuMesk | nonetheless, my project's particles look better than most hollywood stock footage |
| 00:50.22 | IskatuMesk | and perform way better than the vanilla game or any of the user mods |
| 00:50.41 | IskatuMesk | as long as I can get similar results from sc2 I'll be content |
| 00:51.25 | JademusSreg | I recall a outsourced cinematics person for SoaSE mentioning their particle system was a hastily added feature creep, so no surprise it sucked. |
| 00:52.04 | IskatuMesk | their particle system is fucking horrible |
| 00:52.22 | IskatuMesk | but they have a particle EDITOR which no one else has really done outside of SDK's |
| 00:52.34 | IskatuMesk | unfortunately, it's .net 2.0 |
| 00:52.39 | IskatuMesk | it corrupts its own settings and is ludicrously unstable |
| 00:52.56 | IskatuMesk | their cinematics suck too, though, so it balances out. |
| 00:53.30 | IskatuMesk | but their default particles don't do anything close to what you can do with the engine anyways. |
| 00:53.33 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 00:53.39 | IskatuMesk | it may be simple, but their defaults are so bad it's unbelievable |
| 00:54.06 | IskatuMesk | also their beams are just two overlapped textures. |
| 00:54.18 | IskatuMesk | for once I like something about sc2 more than another game - their beams aren't retarded |
| 00:54.43 | IskatuMesk | give or take some experience and practice I'm sure I can make some really nice beams in sc2 |
| 00:55.30 | IskatuMesk | sins of a solar empire is a huge hack |
| 00:55.33 | IskatuMesk | just about nothing works properly |
| 00:55.38 | IskatuMesk | a lot like diablo 2 |
| 00:58.33 | JademusSreg | I expect HotS launch went perfectly, what with all the server tech leftover from Diablo 3. |
| 00:59.21 | IskatuMesk | you mean all the imacs from the 90's? |
| 00:59.36 | IskatuMesk | yeah I'm sure it did, once they hotwired them all to that gas generator from soviet russia |
| 00:59.57 | IskatuMesk | the lead poisoning is considered a bonus because it helps the interns ripen |
| 01:00.26 | JademusSreg | Allows them to put Mad as a Hatter on their resumes. |
| 01:00.29 | sharf | ok wth |
| 01:08.44 | Bounty | How are those screenshots working with the loading screen JademusSreg |
| 01:09.48 | Ahli | "I expect HotS launch went perfectly, what with all the server tech leftover from Diablo 3." :D |
| 01:10.25 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:11.38 | JademusSreg | Bounty, good. Don't much care for the gridlines, but they'll be removed or reduced, anyway. |
| 01:12.06 | sharf | wtf |
| 01:12.24 | progammer | wtsharf |
| 01:12.41 | sharf | lol...my trigger isn't working and idk why |
| 01:12.53 | JademusSreg | The objective is to end up with several diagrams akin in readability to safety warnings. |
| 01:12.57 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 01:15.09 | sharf | ok now I'm really confused |
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| 01:17.27 | sharf | the rigger current level of ability on unit doesn't work for me... |
| 01:17.53 | sharf | err condition |
| 01:20.24 | egod | my lastest video |
| 01:20.29 | egod | of my map |
| 01:20.31 | egod | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuQ345NN4w8 |
| 01:25.04 | sharf | ok this is a serious problem... |
| 01:25.20 | sharf | (Current level for ability Warrior - Critical Strike Dummy on (Damaging unit)) == 1 |
| 01:25.47 | sharf | that condition shows level 0 as 0, level 1 as 0, level 2 as 1 and level 3 as 2.... |
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| 01:34.35 | Dustin | oops |
| 01:36.50 | sharf | >.< |
| 01:47.07 | sharf | jaaaaaaaademuuuus |
| 01:54.53 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 01:55.13 | IskatuMesk | bate ya bud ya rudder ya hol |
| 01:55.25 | sharf | my trigger is kind of fucked over :/ and I don't know how to fix it |
| 01:55.42 | sharf | because the levels of abilities are arrays...it kind of messes up my triggers |
| 01:57.36 | JademusSreg | checks something. |
| 01:57.58 | sharf | I'm checking the level of an ability at the unit |
| 01:57.59 | sharf | but |
| 01:58.09 | sharf | the check returns 0 if the level is 0 or 1 |
| 01:58.14 | sharf | and returns 1 if the level is 2 |
| 01:58.15 | sharf | etc. |
| 02:00.14 | JademusSreg | Pastebin the trigger. |
| 02:01.35 | sharf | http://pastebin.com/zQC0qax8 |
| 02:02.38 | JademusSreg | That's a rather messy implementation. |
| 02:02.59 | sharf | how so? |
| 02:04.41 | JademusSreg | Well, you shouldn't need to repeat yourself. You've got the same program logic copied n times, rather than a single expression. |
| 02:05.07 | sharf | oh, the 3 then ifs? |
| 02:06.44 | JademusSreg | Also, you say the not having the ability learned and learning the first level return the same value, yeah? |
| 02:06.54 | sharf | yes |
| 02:08.00 | JademusSreg | So that means its level 1 (value 0), and the difference is if it is enabled. |
| 02:08.23 | JademusSreg | So you need to check if it is learned first. |
| 02:09.33 | sharf | how would I do that? |
| 02:09.36 | sharf | if it has the ability? |
| 02:10.08 | JademusSreg | UnitAbilityCheck (unit inUnit, string inAbil, bool inEnabled); |
| 02:10.31 | JademusSreg | That -may- work. |
| 02:10.57 | JademusSreg | Or, alternately, if you have a behavior with a requirement, you check if it is enabled, assuming that doesn't work. |
| 02:14.09 | sharf | I can't find that condition |
| 02:16.39 | JademusSreg | But yeah, in your code, you should avoid repeating yourself by making more general code. For instance, Text(((Triggering damage taken) * Crit Percent[Crit Type Level X])) is a part of each branch, and a more general implementation would have Crit Percent[Ability Level+1], thereby only having that Text Tag action appear only once, rather than 3 times. |
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| 02:17.11 | sharf | alright |
| 02:17.16 | sharf | but what condition |
| 02:17.19 | JademusSreg | And I don't know what shit is called in GUI, but I expect it's something like Unit category, Ability Is Enabled. |
| 02:20.51 | IskatuMesk | I'm glad my triggers will all be really simple, except for bosses and the tactical AI |
| 02:21.11 | IskatuMesk | but bosses would basically be tactical AI and some data voodoo, probably. |
| 02:21.22 | IskatuMesk | I'm not into the whole prescripted telegraphic repeating boss designs |
| 02:21.28 | Factoryship | Is there a trigger event to catch a behavior with a duration expiring? |
| 02:21.51 | sharf | that would appear to fix it jademus thanks |
| 02:22.15 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 02:23.05 | Factoryship | Unit Behavior Changes perhaps? Options are : destroy, decrease, deactivate |
| 02:23.07 | JademusSreg | Fact, you could apply a Final Effect. |
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| 02:23.34 | Factoryship | Tried having it do a final effect kill but 'unit dies' triggeer wasn't picking it up |
| 02:23.52 | Half-full | Hello |
| 02:24.02 | JademusSreg | And yeah, behavior change should work as well. |
| 02:24.40 | Factoryship | Which of those would correspond to duration ending? destroy, decrease, deactivate? |
| 02:24.48 | JademusSreg | c_unitBehaviorChangeDestroy c_unitBehaviorChangeDecrease and c_unitBehaviorChangeDeactivate |
| 02:25.05 | JademusSreg | Those all to different ways in which a behavior may be thought to expire. |
| 02:25.18 | Half-full | Would I be correct in assuming that there's no way to scale the, using the current galaxy map editor, size of a map grid to recreate a brood war map. |
| 02:25.59 | JademusSreg | You mean with regard to building/footprint cells>? |
| 02:26.12 | IskatuMesk | you'll need to shrink the sc2 buildings and such |
| 02:26.16 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 02:26.16 | IskatuMesk | as long as the grids are relative |
| 02:26.18 | Half-full | I thought about that |
| 02:26.22 | Half-full | But yes, cells |
| 02:26.24 | IskatuMesk | e.g. sc2 256x256 is placement grids |
| 02:26.28 | IskatuMesk | compared to bw |
| 02:26.33 | IskatuMesk | iirc sc2 cc is 3x3 and sc1 cc is 2x2 |
| 02:26.35 | IskatuMesk | as an example |
| 02:26.51 | Half-full | So everything is 0.5 times larger than before |
| 02:27.02 | IskatuMesk | in many cases yeah something like that |
| 02:27.09 | IskatuMesk | holy fuck that lightning is getting close |
| 02:27.34 | Half-full | But is there any way to manipulate the grid itself to allow for a larger map than 256x256? |
| 02:27.39 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 02:27.42 | IskatuMesk | nope |
| 02:27.42 | Half-full | Fuck |
| 02:27.47 | IskatuMesk | I wish |
| 02:27.50 | IskatuMesk | 256x256 is tiny |
| 02:27.59 | JademusSreg | Nyet, nine, not, nyan, neg, nil, null |
| 02:29.18 | Half-full | So what is 256x256 in Sc2 equivalent to in BW? |
| 02:29.57 | JademusSreg | Remove the map bounds. |
| 02:30.03 | IskatuMesk | with the default sizes it would be smaller |
| 02:30.06 | Half-full | 225x238 |
| 02:30.06 | IskatuMesk | in relativity |
| 02:30.07 | IskatuMesk | to scale |
| 02:30.09 | JademusSreg | The buffer applied by the camera. |
| 02:30.11 | JademusSreg | gogo |
| 02:30.17 | JademusSreg | *for |
| 02:30.21 | IskatuMesk | also, units move faster, have more range, etc. which effect the perception of map size |
| 02:30.41 | sharf | reduce unit size/speed? |
| 02:30.47 | IskatuMesk | that's my plan with apex |
| 02:31.28 | IskatuMesk | every map of that campaign will have to be 256x256 |
| 02:33.53 | JademusSreg | Painstaking draft a database of values from SC1 and SC2 to model relationships as a mesh corresponding to the perception of gameplay space for each game and adjust the parameters until SC2's matches SC1's. |
| 02:34.11 | JademusSreg | See? Simple. |
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| 02:34.44 | IskatuMesk | another trick I will do is to increase build times a bit |
| 02:34.52 | IskatuMesk | reduce mining rates, single geysers etc |
| 02:35.26 | IskatuMesk | although in the end I'll have some really large buildings so I can't escape having big units, just the gameplay will be a bit slower in the beginning |
| 02:35.28 | JademusSreg | Or zoom the camera in and increase the scale of the UI so it takes up about 2/5 or 1/3 the screen. |
| 02:35.49 | IskatuMesk | the tough part will be making the AI contest expansions |
| 02:36.00 | IskatuMesk | but I can probably just do my bully bullshit with a bunch of conditional events |
| 02:36.19 | IskatuMesk | e.g. lol u got dis shit here??? now i build planetary fortresses in ur bace |
| 02:36.22 | Half-full | One of my friends and I are planning on making BW style FFA maps but we DO need those unit statistic relationship models to do so |
| 02:36.25 | JademusSreg | And also making it reproduce the behavior that makes the AI not do anything except mine forever. |
| 02:36.25 | Half-full | Do you mind sharing? |
| 02:37.08 | JademusSreg | Half, actually, you're in luck. All you need do is extract the xml files form the game mpq archives. |
| 02:37.13 | IskatuMesk | well the AI currently works except for defending (I think hots might have just obliterated the library from my map entirely) and transports |
| 02:37.34 | IskatuMesk | and the tactical ai, but you already know that |
| 02:37.39 | Half-full | Oh |
| 02:37.52 | Half-full | So Blizzard already did the work for us or do I need to do the comparisons myself? |
| 02:37.59 | JademusSreg | Pretty much. |
| 02:38.31 | Half-full | or do I need to do the comparisons myself? |
| 02:38.33 | JademusSreg | Mesk, not surprising it removed the library and/or the necessary includes. |
| 02:38.47 | IskatuMesk | if any casuals ever come across this campaign when it's made it will make them so butthurt |
| 02:38.51 | JademusSreg | The latter, but all the data is there, Half. |
| 02:38.57 | Half-full | Good |
| 02:39.59 | Half-full | So, the data you're talking about is in what directory of the SC2 folder? |
| 02:41.02 | JademusSreg | You need the get MPQ Editor. Then extract from the Base.SC2Data mpq archives in each directory, and be sure to check the updates, as well, and preserve directory structure. |
| 02:42.02 | JademusSreg | Assuming only melee-like depenedencies, that's Core, Liberty, LibertyMulti, Swarm, SwarmMulti for you baseline, then the Updates. |
| 02:42.33 | Half-full | I already have MPQ editor, but what directorys am I looking for? |
| 02:43.16 | JademusSreg | Updates/Cache/base/ has the additions made to the base mpqs in the Mods directory, so you'll need the GameData from those archives, as well. |
| 02:43.55 | Half-full | Alright |
| 02:43.58 | JademusSreg | C:\Program Files (x86)\StarCraft II\Mods\ all the Base.SC2Data\GameData\ xml files |
| 02:44.35 | JademusSreg | C:\Program Files (x86)\StarCraft II\Updates\Cache\base\ whichever patch bases you need to include from these as well |
| 02:44.37 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 02:45.29 | Half-full | Is there anyway to create my own dependency file so that I don't need to load all of this information by hand when I make a new map? |
| 02:50.50 | sharf | so jademus...idk how to combine those 3 sections into 1 |
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| 02:51.37 | tordy | wadddddddddap dudes |
| 02:54.55 | JademusSreg | Half, just make an empty mod dependency that has those dependencies, and add one. |
| 02:55.05 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, make that your dependency. |
| 02:55.37 | tordy | do i need the sc2.mod dependency if i use sc2.campaign? |
| 02:55.45 | tordy | or does sc2.campaign already include .mod |
| 02:56.27 | JademusSreg | sharf, it's just a bit of programming logic. Which is more efficient to say? The same sentence three times with slight variation, or one sentence that takes a set of parameters? |
| 02:56.57 | sharf | I understand the concept |
| 02:57.11 | sharf | not sure how I could combine them, still not fluent with this stuff |
| 02:57.23 | sharf | how do I say.... |
| 02:57.26 | Half-full | Alright, thanks you've been a great help but I have one last question if you don't mind me asking |
| 02:57.44 | JademusSreg | tord, yeah, the campaign makes changes to the base, and probably has it as a depenedency anway, so I doubt it is separable anyway. |
| 02:57.58 | JademusSreg | Mmm, booze. |
| 02:58.01 | sharf | I'd need different conditions for each level right? or can I combine that? |
| 02:58.02 | Half-full | I tried loading up a WoL campaign map and extracting the campaign units from data in it, is there an easier way of getting the campaign units? |
| 02:58.08 | iMisu | anyone know of the best lagless movement w a s d ? |
| 02:58.39 | JademusSreg | Half, the Liberty.SC2Campaign dependency. |
| 02:58.48 | Half-full | I loaded that and it didn't have any of them |
| 02:58.51 | JademusSreg | iM, there is no lagless system. |
| 02:59.09 | Half-full | No scout, Firebat, Shuttle, Mercs, nothing. |
| 02:59.10 | JademusSreg | Not sure what you mean, Half. |
| 02:59.51 | JademusSreg | Any map with the Liberty campaign dependency includes the data for those units. |
| 03:00.18 | Half-full | I don't see them in (U) |
| 03:00.27 | Half-full | Is there something I need to do to make them appear |
| 03:00.28 | Half-full | ? |
| 03:01.01 | JademusSreg | Let's see. File > Dependencies |
| 03:01.39 | JademusSreg | What's on the list there? |
| 03:02.56 | Half-full | I already loaded that |
| 03:03.06 | Half-full | I'll try to reload it |
| 03:04.45 | Half-full | Nope |
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| 03:06.02 | WormJuice | Is it possible to make all the units by player 0 (neutral) visible in the fog of war at the start like neutral buildings on the map? |
| 03:06.49 | WormJuice | Without bnasically having to clone all the units in the data editor of course and making it so on a unit per unit basis, just wondering if you can override that for a player |
| 03:07.21 | sharf | maybe there's a triggeR? |
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| 03:07.39 | WormJuice | You can't use custom triggers in melee maps can you/ |
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| 03:07.52 | sharf | oh hmm |
| 03:07.56 | Ahli | maybe in training maps |
| 03:08.07 | sharf | didn't know you could put neutral units in melee maps :P |
| 03:08.12 | sharf | or rather, pre placed |
| 03:08.29 | WormJuice | Well, neutral depots eh |
| 03:09.44 | sharf | if you use make unit take no damage trigger |
| 03:10.05 | sharf | does that apply up until that point, or will it prevent all damage dealt in the rest of the trigger? |
| 03:14.11 | Taintedwisp | fuck I love prime rib |
| 03:14.29 | Taintedwisp | just got back a little bit ago from a stakehouse eating it |
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| 03:14.37 | Taintedwisp | best meat ever... 100% |
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| 03:20.12 | JademusSreg | Half, is the order Liberty (Mod) above Liberty (Campaign)? And how are the unit palette filters configured? |
| 03:20.17 | Bounty | People are STILL posting Haunted Forest videos |
| 03:20.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:20.23 | Bounty | good lord |
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| 03:42.23 | iMisu | anyone know of a wasd lagless system that can support 6 people with no lagt |
| 03:43.51 | JademusSreg | There are no lagless player input systems. |
| 03:45.14 | JademusSreg | Can't be, because player input is synced and the response to input is similarly synchronous. |
| 03:45.15 | Half-full | I extracted the version archive with an MPQ editor and there are zero XML files |
| 03:45.31 | JademusSreg | Yeah, didn't say version archive. |
| 03:45.34 | Half-full | Oh |
| 03:45.44 | iMisu | is there any way to get something really close to lagless? |
| 03:45.55 | JademusSreg | Updates/Cache/base/ mpqs have patch data. |
| 03:47.17 | JademusSreg | iM, "lagless" is simply not a useful word in this context. There are only more or less efficient solutions, but they are all limited by the player input syncing. |
| 03:47.43 | JademusSreg | Which spans about a quarter of a second. |
| 03:48.01 | iMisu | the map mass destruction 2 |
| 03:48.05 | iMisu | is beautiful |
| 03:48.05 | JademusSreg | And is updated about 16 times per second. |
| 03:48.19 | iMisu | they have the unit control smooth and filled with butter |
| 03:48.42 | iMisu | i'd like to have something similar |
| 03:49.25 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Jademus%20Demo.SC2Map |
| 03:49.41 | JademusSreg | This demonstrates, among other things, the system I use, which I'll outline. |
| 03:50.43 | iMisu | this is really nice |
| 03:50.48 | iMisu | how does it appear with another player |
| 03:50.56 | iMisu | forexample 6 maybe |
| 03:51.36 | JademusSreg | A single trigger catches all key input for any player, another catches all mouse button input, and another catches all mouse movement input. These are stored in a struct, which can be checked by other code, like a periodically updated thread. |
| 03:52.22 | JademusSreg | So 4 triggers, 3 for catching all inut, and a 4th thread that runs forever with a period of 0.0625 game time seconds. |
| 03:52.23 | iMisu | Can i use with some of your work in my map |
| 03:52.26 | JademusSreg | *input |
| 03:52.37 | JademusSreg | You can use whatever you like. |
| 03:53.03 | iMisu | oh fuck |
| 03:53.06 | iMisu | this is all code |
| 03:53.14 | iMisu | its not galaxy trigger gui shit |
| 03:53.45 | JademusSreg | The periodic update thread just checks button and key statem and does what it should in response to the input. |
| 03:54.11 | iMisu | I just started triggers |
| 03:54.15 | iMisu | there is no way i could use this |
| 03:54.19 | iMisu | i dont understand any of this |
| 03:54.31 | JademusSreg | I figured. That's why I outlined the approach I employ. |
| 03:55.19 | iMisu | I will say, pretty nice |
| 03:55.56 | JademusSreg | And if you've still got it running, left click shoots colliding missiles and holding rightclick while moving sprints. |
| 03:56.53 | iMisu | Yeah it has most of the control im looking for in a map im about to make |
| 03:57.05 | iMisu | Except I want the camera birds eye connected |
| 03:57.08 | iMisu | which is easy |
| 03:57.23 | iMisu | with... normal triggers lol |
| 03:59.35 | Ahli | great game :) |
| 03:59.48 | JademusSreg | Which one, Ahli? |
| 04:00.09 | Ahli | game 3 of flash vs bly |
| 04:00.41 | JademusSreg | Ah. It was interesting seeing the HotS units in a competitive context. |
| 04:01.16 | Ahli | http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLGSC2 game 4 will come then |
| 04:01.52 | nooblark | anyone else hit level 70 keri and not get achievment? |
| 04:02.30 | iMisu | <- |
| 04:02.33 | iMisu | Er not me |
| 04:02.35 | iMisu | But misu did |
| 04:02.48 | iMisu | she hit 70 and it didnt grant achievement |
| 04:02.59 | Ahli | only got 68 kerrigan :< can't remember where I missed them |
| 04:03.02 | nooblark | when are you going to admit to youself no one cares if you have a penis or tits |
| 04:03.20 | iMisu | well im going to be 70 soon |
| 04:03.22 | iMisu | lol |
| 04:03.24 | nooblark | when you refer to <-- we know it's someone. who, is irrelevant |
| 04:03.37 | nooblark | don't you giys still share same acc? |
| 04:03.41 | iMisu | nope |
| 04:03.49 | nooblark | oh, i see |
| 04:03.59 | iMisu | we play sc2 every night :D |
| 04:04.04 | nooblark | she didn't stop playing sc, she just decided to do it on a new acc |
| 04:04.07 | nooblark | sok, she was bad anyway |
| 04:04.50 | iMisu | she stoppe dfor about 2-3 week maybe |
| 04:04.55 | iMisu | cause of u being mean to her |
| 04:05.05 | nooblark | all my fault |
| 04:05.15 | iMisu | yeup |
| 04:05.20 | iMisu | lolol |
| 04:05.29 | nooblark | had nothing to do with her asking for help, then ignoring my advice. totally on me for being mean about wasting my time trying. |
| 04:05.47 | iMisu | lol im fuckin with you |
| 04:05.53 | iMisu | i have no idea what she so pissed at you for |
| 04:05.55 | nooblark | i know it was my fault |
| 04:05.57 | iMisu | lol |
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| 04:06.04 | nooblark | but i still justify it |
| 04:06.14 | nooblark | it's like asking a coach to not yell at players |
| 04:06.20 | nooblark | team will never win |
| 04:06.48 | nooblark | you won't relay messages, so there's no chance she'll ever like me again. oh well |
| 04:07.01 | iMisu | i told her to talk directly to you |
| 04:07.10 | iMisu | she said that when she talk to you you dont reply |
| 04:07.17 | tordy | flash is bleeding |
| 04:07.20 | nooblark | she's lying |
| 04:07.26 | nooblark | no PMs on irc, and none in SC2 |
| 04:07.40 | nooblark | unless she types in all chat, which i rarely read, considering i stopped mapping |
| 04:07.52 | iMisu | imma be reinstalling windows on this computer in a few days, she has her own computer |
| 04:08.02 | iMisu | and im tired of putting this one back to english lol |
| 04:08.16 | nooblark | lol |
| 04:08.16 | iMisu | ill have my own account shit |
| 04:08.30 | nooblark | maybe we can skype more, i miss your sexy voice |
| 04:08.42 | iMisu | haha yeah boi |
| 04:08.44 | nooblark | don't you miss my bounker wars accent? |
| 04:08.51 | iMisu | Hell ya bro |
| 04:08.52 | iMisu | call me |
| 04:08.56 | nooblark | maybe? |
| 04:09.03 | iMisu | yana |
| 04:09.09 | iMisu | namocatcat |
| 04:09.31 | Ahli | game 4 starting |
| 04:10.05 | iMisu | pick up yo phone nigga pick up yo phone |
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| 04:13.25 | isunmonkey | hi |
| 04:14.04 | Factoryship | I have a trigger with a 'unit behavior changes' event. how do I get the owner of that unit that has the behavior duration end? Triggering player doesn't do it, nor does Unit behavior effect unit |
| 04:14.43 | JademusSreg | Fact, clarify, do you mean the source player of theb ehavior? |
| 04:14.59 | Factoryship | the owner of the unit that has the behavior expiring on |
| 04:15.01 | WormJuice | Those weird skins in the campaign PvP mission |
| 04:15.04 | WormJuice | Tidings of doom or something |
| 04:15.09 | WormJuice | Where you take on the hybvrid maar |
| 04:15.16 | JademusSreg | Owner of (Triggering Unit) |
| 04:15.23 | WormJuice | Can you get them in a melee map on a neutral player? |
| 04:15.58 | Ahli | it's an actor message |
| 04:16.13 | isunmonkey | I can |
| 04:16.30 | isunmonkey | I can't find a working tutorial on making a timer that I can reset. |
| 04:16.43 | JademusSreg | It's an upgrade affecting a texture swap on the actors. |
| 04:16.50 | nooblark | make a start timer trigger |
| 04:16.59 | nooblark | gives options for one shot, or repeating |
| 04:19.27 | Ahli | game 4 starting again ;) |
| 04:20.24 | JademusSreg | Yar. |
| 04:20.35 | iMisu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glLk-j1-uZo |
| 04:20.43 | iMisu | YOU DONT WANA GET YO PENIS ALL BENT |
| 04:20.43 | Kubi | imisu |
| 04:20.46 | Kubi | why did you block me |
| 04:20.52 | iMisu | i didnt |
| 04:20.54 | iMisu | i just logged out |
| 04:21.01 | Kubi | you have |
| 04:21.04 | Kubi | to test my voting system |
| 04:21.05 | iMisu | im looking for an assset |
| 04:21.10 | iMisu | okay ill help |
| 04:22.10 | iMisu | invite kubi |
| 04:22.26 | Kubi | wait |
| 04:22.27 | Kubi | im in a game |
| 04:23.49 | Factoryship | getting errors when trying to use 'triggering unit' in response to 'unit behavior changes' event. how do I get the unit that the behavior is changing on? |
| 04:24.23 | Factoryship | "Unit Behavior Effect Unit" seems like it may work, but does not either |
| 04:24.33 | isunmonkey | Does anybody know of a working tutorial for creating a timer?? |
| 04:24.56 | isunmonkey | I've been struggling with this for a while :( |
| 04:26.26 | JademusSreg | Timer of what sort? |
| 04:26.49 | isunmonkey | I need an elapsed game timer displayed over ingame timer |
| 04:26.54 | isunmonkey | because I need to be able to reset the timer |
| 04:27.12 | isunmonkey | I'm creating a simplified YABOT |
| 04:27.16 | JademusSreg | For individual matches inside the game session, got it. |
| 04:27.58 | JademusSreg | You can use a timerboard or dialog controls for display, timerboard being the most direct solution. |
| 04:28.25 | isunmonkey | I'm so new. Is there a tutorial you can recommend? I've been all over sc2 mapster but I'm not having any luck :( |
| 04:29.51 | JademusSreg | TimerWindowCreate(TimerCreate(),TimerTitle,true,true); |
| 04:30.41 | JademusSreg | I expect it's named something similarly in GUI triggers. |
| 04:31.40 | isunmonkey | That's an action, yes? |
| 04:32.00 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 04:33.05 | isunmonkey | When I enter the TimerTitle, really odd text is returned... |
| 04:33.20 | isunmonkey | "Param/Value/40B925BA" |
| 04:33.25 | Factoryship | sorry, that text may be my erotic mythbusters fanfiction |
| 04:33.31 | JademusSreg | That was just a placeholder. |
| 04:33.33 | isunmonkey | haha |
| 04:35.51 | Kubi | iMISU |
| 04:36.00 | iMisu | im playing a game now. |
| 04:38.48 | Kubi | how much |
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| 04:40.35 | Kubi | Nootblark |
| 04:40.37 | Kubi | nooblark |
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| 04:41.48 | Kubi | iMISU |
| 04:44.31 | isunmonkey | Hey, JademusSreg, that created the timer, but the timer doesn't start. |
| 04:45.08 | JademusSreg | Follow by starting the last created timer, or if you put the timer in a variable start the timer from the variable. |
| 04:45.25 | JademusSreg | Probably an action called Timer Start or Start Timer. |
| 04:45.38 | Kubi | START THE FUCKING TIMER |
| 04:47.43 | isunmonkey | :( I'm not seeing any way to do this. |
| 04:48.39 | nooblark | invite kubi newbie |
| 04:49.51 | nooblark | isun |
| 04:49.59 | nooblark | there is a trigger for start timer |
| 04:50.00 | tordy | i kill fiddy men |
| 04:50.06 | nooblark | use that one |
| 04:50.14 | nooblark | and the timer you start, is the last created one |
| 04:50.27 | nooblark | you can also assign it to a variable so you can call it later, if you need |
| 04:51.01 | Kubi | iMISU |
| 04:51.40 | isunmonkey | nooblark, I have the TimerStart Action that follows directy after the createwindowtimer |
| 04:52.31 | isunmonkey | Maybe I just don't understand how this trigger works–the components of it... |
| 04:52.46 | nooblark | you need to create timer, not window, or both |
| 04:56.32 | isunmonkey | nooblark, I only see TimerWindowCreate in actions |
| 04:57.29 | nooblark | sec |
| 05:03.53 | nooblark | do you see my pm? |
| 05:04.27 | isunmonkey | pm? |
| 05:05.08 | isunmonkey | I see it |
| 05:14.43 | Kubi | DO LOOPS DO NOT WORK FOR PLAYERS? |
| 05:18.05 | Kubi | For Each Integer 1 to 3 using i |
| 05:18.05 | Kubi | make player 1 ally with i |
| 05:18.05 | JademusSreg | ??? |
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| 05:19.29 | progammer | 1 cant ally with 1, that might be the problem ? |
| 05:19.46 | JademusSreg | Perhaps he assumes it means mutual alliance? |
| 05:20.08 | JademusSreg | There should be a gui action for that, as well. |
| 05:24.25 | progammer | ya there's different alliance stuff, 1 might ally with 2 but unless 2 also ally with 1, it wont be mutual |
| 05:26.17 | progammer | man we're the least populated but featured group on bnet (aside from scUniverse) |
| 05:26.43 | JademusSreg | I wasn't aware there were featured groups. |
| 05:26.59 | progammer | blizz feature some group to join, like carbotAnimation, day9 etc.. |
| 05:27.09 | Ahli | well, at least they featured a site that has the editor as its main focus |
| 05:27.16 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:27.33 | JademusSreg | Oh wow, people make maps for this?! |
| 05:28.02 | JademusSreg | [plays] What thw fuck, this isn't melee! |
| 05:29.19 | progammer | i wish melee mapmaker come here too, so we can claim domination of the mapping scene |
| 05:31.20 | Ahli | I would have assumed that they would prefer being close to the melee players, but I think that wasn't the case in scbw... |
| 05:31.24 | JademusSreg | I imagine they would be frustrated by the lack of vocal interest in melee, but I agree. |
| 05:31.29 | nooblark | jade, is there a easy way to display permanent text on screen that you can take away? |
| 05:31.38 | JademusSreg | Dialog label. |
| 05:31.42 | nooblark | ok :P |
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| 06:00.01 | Kubi | I thought this nigga went to bed |
| 06:11.54 | Kubi | Ah fuck |
| 06:11.56 | Kubi | God damn it |
| 06:12.01 | Kubi | I gotta set teams |
| 06:12.02 | Kubi | via triggers |
| 06:12.06 | Kubi | because they dont follow lobby rules |
| 06:15.17 | Kubi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTiZD7gzIlw |
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| 06:45.48 | Dalruin | yo? |
| 06:46.24 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 06:46.42 | iMisu | kubi you wana play titanX with me and 4 others |
| 06:46.46 | Dalruin | Anyone know much about actors/models? |
| 06:46.51 | Kubi | I WANTED TO TEST MY MAP |
| 06:46.56 | Kubi | AND YOU SAID YOU WANTEDTO FUCK ME |
| 06:46.57 | Kubi | but sure |
| 06:46.59 | Kubi | I will |
| 06:47.14 | Kubi | because for map making |
| 06:47.25 | JademusSreg | Well, after extensive research, it was determined actors and models cannot be eaten. |
| 06:47.43 | JademusSreg | Not enough nutritional content, turns out. |
| 06:47.57 | Dalruin | Yeah, guess they are sorta like politicians |
| 06:48.25 | Dalruin | anyways, been looking for a tutorial on how to add effects to units and i cant find anything |
| 06:48.49 | JademusSreg | Have you looked at the standard data? |
| 06:48.55 | Dalruin | Like is it possible to turn the predator unit pitch black and add a sort of archon ish aura to it? |
| 06:49.01 | JademusSreg | Because it is full of examples. |
| 06:49.26 | JademusSreg | Sure. In fact, you can attach an archon warp model to it. |
| 06:49.56 | Dalruin | really? do you have a link to a guide i can read or watch that shows how to do this? |
| 06:51.07 | JademusSreg | Er, I don't use tutorials, so I don't know if there is. But I could explain it or refer you to the examples in standard data. |
| 06:51.50 | Dalruin | sure, that would be helpful |
| 06:53.25 | JademusSreg | If you look at the actors that attach models for behavior visuals, like emp, corruption, mind control, et cetera, you'll notice they are fairly simple. |
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| 06:55.37 | Corbo | dude |
| 06:55.46 | Corbo | captchas are so hard when you0redrunk |
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| 06:56.20 | JademusSreg | The key points are the actor events, which manage actor creation and destruction of the actor when the behavior is on or off respectively as well as destroy the actor if it loses its host (orphaned), and the Host fields, which for unit-applicable actors tends to be _Unit or _Selectable, and the Host Site Operations field, which defines where the actor attaches to the host and how. |
| 06:58.02 | Corbo | what |
| 06:58.15 | Dalruin | so, there is no simple way to just add an actor to a unit? |
| 06:58.15 | Corbo | I did not gett a single thing boutnthat |
| 06:58.36 | JademusSreg | This is the simple way, assuming it is contingent on something. |
| 06:59.26 | JademusSreg | The most direct approach, if it is not contingent on, say an effect or behavior, is to have the actor create the attaching actors. |
| 06:59.41 | Dalruin | well i dont want to add it ingame or anything |
| 06:59.57 | Dalruin | I want the custom unit i created to be black with the aura or effect on it |
| 07:00.14 | JademusSreg | Host Site Ops will still be used, of course, so you can define explicitly where it attaches. |
| 07:01.19 | JademusSreg | I've got a demonstration of fairly simple attachments if you'd like to see examples. |
| 07:01.52 | Dalruin | that would be helpful |
| 07:01.55 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/BossXelNagaAI.SC2Map |
| 07:02.26 | JademusSreg | Specifically, the shield drone and the ancillary drone unit actors. |
| 07:03.11 | JademusSreg | In addition to texture swapping, they also attach models. So just look at their actors and they actors they create. |
| 07:03.49 | Corbo | ugh |
| 07:03.51 | Corbo | you guys suck |
| 07:03.57 | Corbo | you0re not helping me |
| 07:03.58 | JademusSreg | Thanks. |
| 07:04.17 | Corbo | drunk |
| 07:04.18 | Corbo | and |
| 07:04.27 | Corbo | supposedto call a girl I just met |
| 07:04.31 | Corbo | 20 minutes ago |
| 07:04.34 | Corbo | halp |
| 07:04.42 | Corbo | idk how a friend does this |
| 07:04.44 | Corbo | reaaally |
| 07:04.47 | JademusSreg | And regarding making your unit actor black, that's done with an actor event message, ActorCreation -> SetTint and perhaps the default black color will suffice. |
| 07:05.03 | JademusSreg | Corbo, start by not getting smashed, oops, nevermind. |
| 07:05.16 | JademusSreg | I, on the otherhand, will prep my booze. |
| 07:05.34 | Dalruin | where do i go to set actor event messages? |
| 07:05.35 | Corbo | lol |
| 07:05.36 | Corbo | but but |
| 07:05.43 | Corbo | it was st patricks dau |
| 07:05.46 | Corbo | dya¨ |
| 07:05.48 | JademusSreg | Actor field called Events + |
| 07:05.49 | Corbo | day*4 |
| 07:05.55 | Corbo | fuck typing properly |
| 07:05.55 | JademusSreg | Was it? |
| 07:05.58 | JademusSreg | I wasn't aware. |
| 07:06.02 | Corbo | well |
| 07:06.06 | Corbo | it's tomorrow |
| 07:06.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster twodie (4e3c1a28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.60.26.40) |
| 07:06.18 | Corbo | but at this bar celebration was friday/saturday |
| 07:08.41 | Corbo | you know what |
| 07:09.29 | *** join/#sc2mapster xcorbox (be3e8687@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.62.134.135) |
| 07:09.34 | xcorbox | you know wahat |
| 07:09.42 | xcorbox | SCREW YOU ALLLLLLL |
| 07:09.49 | xcorbox | EXCEPT YOU JADEMUS |
| 07:09.59 | xcorbox | which means the ionly person online atm :P |
| 07:10.18 | Dalruin | ? |
| 07:10.38 | twodie | hater |
| 07:11.30 | JademusSreg | Haha |
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| 07:14.23 | twodie | anyone here can help to test a thing? download zip containing model and textures to Editor and check if the textures on model is showmnn? |
| 07:14.45 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 07:14.55 | xcorbox | I CANHEKP |
| 07:15.05 | xcorbox | do not expect me to give...decept feedback in my state |
| 07:15.10 | xcorbox | but I CAN DEFINITELY HEPL |
| 07:15.11 | xcorbox | SEN |
| 07:15.13 | xcorbox | D |
| 07:15.14 | xcorbox | NOW |
| 07:15.16 | xcorbox | SEND |
| 07:15.26 | xcorbox | ....I'll regret this tomorrow |
| 07:15.43 | JademusSreg | I have ice cream and liquor. Let's do this. |
| 07:15.56 | twodie | http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ag4v80g5o2qxc5x |
| 07:16.14 | JademusSreg | Fucking mediafire, really? |
| 07:16.51 | Kubi | wow |
| 07:16.52 | Kubi | imisu |
| 07:16.55 | Kubi | this shit is taking long to load |
| 07:16.58 | twodie | yeah ?:( |
| 07:17.05 | iMisu | i hate that stuff |
| 07:17.08 | Kubi | its a bug |
| 07:17.13 | Kubi | because every map sometime does it |
| 07:17.23 | twodie | or you can try this pack |
| 07:17.24 | twodie | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/wow-human-buildings/ |
| 07:17.39 | xcorbox | I have |
| 07:17.46 | xcorbox | 223 shots of tequila |
| 07:17.49 | xcorbox | no kidding |
| 07:17.50 | xcorbox | ugh |
| 07:17.50 | JademusSreg | launches editor. |
| 07:17.53 | xcorbox | i meant 23 |
| 07:17.56 | xcorbox | and |
| 07:18.03 | xcorbox | one jagger bomb |
| 07:18.06 | xcorbox | actually two |
| 07:18.16 | xcorbox | plus hot girl I am supposed ot czll in an hour |
| 07:18.21 | xcorbox | SO KEEP ME AWAKE GUYS |
| 07:18.42 | JademusSreg | Corb, you said 20 minutes before. |
| 07:19.09 | xcorbox | what? |
| 07:19.33 | JademusSreg | [03:04:08] <Corbo> supposedto call a girl I just met [03:04:12] <Corbo> 20 minutes ago |
| 07:19.37 | JademusSreg | My mistake. |
| 07:19.39 | JademusSreg | I misread. |
| 07:19.41 | xcorbox | shit |
| 07:19.48 | xcorbox | did I miss calling her? |
| 07:20.04 | JademusSreg | Apparently not. |
| 07:20.19 | JademusSreg | If I parse it correctly, you meet her then 20 minutes prior. |
| 07:20.23 | JademusSreg | *met |
| 07:20.54 | xcorbox | kkk |
| 07:21.01 | xcorbox | what am I supposed to do with this file? |
| 07:21.04 | xcorbox | I dled the zip |
| 07:21.13 | xcorbox | STEP BY STE PLZ |
| 07:21.21 | xcorbox | also jad |
| 07:21.25 | xcorbox | why are you always on? |
| 07:22.36 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 07:23.28 | Kubi | iMisu |
| 07:23.31 | Kubi | how do you like that intro |
| 07:23.49 | iMisu | I liked it good job. |
| 07:24.18 | Kubi | I wanted it short and simple |
| 07:24.19 | Kubi | and quick |
| 07:24.20 | JademusSreg | twod, it doesn't seem to be loading the textures. |
| 07:24.28 | twodie | omg! |
| 07:24.36 | JademusSreg | What are the directories they should fill? |
| 07:24.36 | twodie | did you download both? |
| 07:24.49 | JademusSreg | Mediafire one. |
| 07:24.50 | twodie | well they all works for me :/ |
| 07:25.20 | twodie | check the sc2mapster one too then... |
| 07:25.32 | twodie | probobly we have huge dick problem |
| 07:25.34 | JademusSreg | To which directory does the model refer for the textures? |
| 07:26.15 | twodie | well if i look into the model it uses my computer dirrectories :/ |
| 07:26.35 | JademusSreg | Not quite what I meant. |
| 07:26.41 | xcorbox | can'tI just dl the mod in bneT? |
| 07:27.06 | twodie | so what you did meant |
| 07:27.10 | JademusSreg | Does the model refer to the textures in the directory Textures/ or what? |
| 07:27.14 | xcorbox | also lol twodie |
| 07:27.30 | xcorbox | you need to refer them to something generla and not your pc |
| 07:27.49 | xcorbox | if I remember correctly there's an option in the pug ins that allows oyu to do so |
| 07:27.56 | xcorbox | and it is NOT called export |
| 07:28.13 | xcorbox | I would tell you but i¿d have to start vmware |
| 07:28.21 | twodie | well im using startools |
| 07:29.01 | twodie | here: http://snag.gy/xIdHQ.jpg |
| 07:29.05 | twodie | looks fine to me :/ |
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| 07:31.02 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 07:31.19 | JademusSreg | [3/16/2013 3:30:03 AM] Warning: Cutscenes: Texture 'E:\Kita\Other SC2 projects files\Assets\Textures\Tower_Broken.dds' does not reference a file in an archive and cannot be loaded. |
| 07:31.37 | twodie | :) |
| 07:31.47 | JademusSreg | So yeah, as corb said. |
| 07:31.54 | xcorbox | yes |
| 07:31.55 | xcorbox | really |
| 07:31.57 | JademusSreg | You need to use relative directories. |
| 07:31.58 | JademusSreg | Srsly |
| 07:32.01 | xcorbox | you have to export differently |
| 07:32.10 | xcorbox | actually let me start vmware so I can help you |
| 07:32.11 | xcorbox | DUDE |
| 07:32.17 | xcorbox | -i- am going to help you drunk |
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| 07:32.22 | xcorbox | give me some cretidz |
| 07:34.15 | xcorbox | k |
| 07:34.17 | xcorbox | I know now |
| 07:34.24 | xcorbox | you hve to commit to a mod |
| 07:34.33 | xcorbox | basically you create a mod beforewards |
| 07:34.40 | xcorbox | and then commit to it |
| 07:34.43 | twodie | yeah seems like there is no option in this case |
| 07:34.53 | xcorbox | how so? |
| 07:35.32 | twodie | ohh seems like found the solution |
| 07:35.45 | xcorbox | read the startools documentation ommit to model tutorial |
| 07:37.15 | twodie | http://www.mediafire.com/?qzwhoqd9m62992n |
| 07:37.19 | twodie | here is updated |
| 07:37.42 | xcorbox | why did I open photoshop? |
| 07:37.54 | twodie | you like painting stuff? |
| 07:37.57 | Kubi | becuase your fuckign stupid |
| 07:38.01 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 07:38.58 | xcorbox | why is kubi attacking me |
| 07:39.00 | xcorbox | D: |
| 07:39.07 | xcorbox | what did i ever do to kubi D: |
| 07:39.19 | Kubi | Make me 12 new hots heroes |
| 07:39.20 | Kubi | go |
| 07:39.36 | xcorbox | but |
| 07:39.41 | xcorbox | I do not have the data skillz |
| 07:39.45 | xcorbox | I can make you models |
| 07:39.46 | xcorbox | :D |
| 07:42.56 | EntityEnigma | test |
| 07:43.01 | Kubi | okay |
| 07:43.03 | Kubi | thats sounds even better |
| 07:43.13 | Kubi | LEMME SEE YOUR WORK |
| 07:44.54 | EntityEnigma | is there a rough estimate for a limit of how many doodads you can place on a map before it starts causing significant game play lag? |
| 07:45.24 | xcorbox | I tested a long time ago, with bisuu, an old time mapster member |
| 07:45.36 | xcorbox | and round 2.5k or 3k |
| 07:45.38 | twodie | if your gpu sucks then lalalal |
| 07:45.46 | twodie | ww al |
| 07:45.48 | xcorbox | they woulod stop showing up in the minimap |
| 07:45.50 | twodie | are you sure? |
| 07:45.53 | xcorbox | thy'd just not refresh |
| 07:45.55 | twodie | doodadS? |
| 07:46.05 | xcorbox | dooads units, anything |
| 07:46.11 | twodie | units lags |
| 07:46.20 | twodie | not doodads! imo |
| 07:46.24 | xcorbox | doodads are just another type of models |
| 07:46.33 | xcorbox | they are handled the same way |
| 07:46.38 | xcorbox | engine does, anyway |
| 07:46.39 | twodie | well they go more on gpu not on cpu stuff |
| 07:46.49 | Dalruin | Ok, so Jade, i figured out how to change the color, now how did you say i go about adding the cool aura to it? |
| 07:46.51 | xcorbox | they both go on gpu |
| 07:47.10 | twodie | units go more on cpu for sure. |
| 07:47.42 | xcorbox | nope. |
| 07:47.49 | xcorbox | I mean, sure. |
| 07:48.03 | xcorbox | but their shaders, txtures, shadows,particles rely strongly on gpu |
| 07:48.15 | xcorbox | that is for both, untis, doodads, terrain etc. |
| 07:48.21 | EntityEnigma | is there a way to adjust the footprint size for a doodad? |
| 07:48.27 | twodie | anyone can test these? http://www.mediafire.com/?qzwhoqd9m62992n |
| 07:48.32 | twodie | download import |
| 07:48.35 | xcorbox | on cpu relies physics, triggers, variable and events excecution, etc. |
| 07:48.37 | twodie | and see if model is textured |
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| 07:48.49 | xcorbox | two die |
| 07:48.55 | EntityEnigma | sometimes when i shrink doodads the footprint stays the original size |
| 07:48.56 | xcorbox | why don't you just link saved maps? |
| 07:49.05 | xcorbox | it should. |
| 07:49.18 | Reaperguyver | How do you set slots on a team to a player #? |
| 07:49.20 | xcorbox | footprints are assigned to model data |
| 07:49.27 | xcorbox | and not relative to its scale |
| 07:49.33 | EntityEnigma | so you have to use the data editor? |
| 07:49.47 | EntityEnigma | to change it? |
| 07:49.53 | Dalruin | heya reaper |
| 07:49.59 | Reaperguyver | Hello lol. |
| 07:50.07 | twodie | xcorbox waht? |
| 07:50.57 | xcorbox | um |
| 07:51.01 | EntityEnigma | or you just cant change foot prints |
| 07:51.12 | xcorbox | To be honest I have not edited footprints for a long time |
| 07:51.25 | xcorbox | but yes, last time I remember, footprints HAD TO be edited from editor. |
| 07:51.30 | EntityEnigma | heh |
| 07:51.36 | xcorbox | it has a footprint editor built in |
| 07:51.37 | EntityEnigma | aight |
| 07:51.46 | xcorbox | and you can load up a mode |
| 07:51.48 | xcorbox | l |
| 07:51.56 | xcorbox | and set apthable buildable,etc flags |
| 07:52.01 | xcorbox | to polys and tris |
| 07:53.04 | Kubi | Anyway, some girl comes in once with an infection in her stoma (abdominal shithole). Turns out it was gonorrhea. Her husband had been cheating on her, picked it up and had been fucking her in her stoma |
| 07:53.22 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 07:54.14 | twodie | JademusSreg you are only hope! |
| 07:54.17 | JademusSreg | Dal, refer to my example in the BossXelNagaAI demo. |
| 07:54.18 | twodie | test! taht stuff! |
| 07:54.26 | JademusSreg | Link? |
| 07:54.44 | JademusSreg | Also, you really ought to use dropbox. =D |
| 07:54.48 | EntityEnigma | i have to say im finding the editor more entertaining now than sc2... |
| 07:55.14 | JademusSreg | Yes, Ent, the possibilities far exceed any realized map. |
| 07:55.17 | twodie | http://www.mediafire.com/?qzwhoqd9m62992n |
| 07:56.16 | xcorbox | twodie |
| 07:56.22 | xcorbox | works like a charm |
| 07:56.49 | twodie | ^^ |
| 07:56.51 | xcorbox | http://snag.gy/nhN0g.jpg |
| 07:56.57 | xcorbox | sehen sie |
| 07:57.14 | JademusSreg | Cool. Guess I don't need to test it. |
| 07:57.20 | Kubi | xcorbox |
| 07:57.33 | Kubi | Can you make me a team colored, and fixed Human Barracks from either wow model or WC3/ |
| 07:57.37 | xcorbox | hi |
| 07:57.42 | xcorbox | hi |
| 07:57.51 | Kubi | AND |
| 07:57.53 | Kubi | Properly sized |
| 07:57.59 | xcorbox | using those textures? |
| 07:59.02 | xcorbox | um... the size it's a little bit awkward. Blizzard stated that wwehad to set our units to 1 in some topic, I forget the ideal steps to do so. |
| 07:59.08 | twodie | kubi here:http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/wow-human-buildings/ |
| 07:59.15 | xcorbox | but usually blizzard works really small..... |
| 07:59.17 | twodie | but have same problems as these tower had |
| 07:59.27 | twodie | this tower had |
| 07:59.38 | twodie | the textures shouldnt be properly linked up |
| 07:59.44 | xcorbox | I have found that 1.2m in max real units = size of a command centre.. |
| 08:00.03 | xcorbox | whatb do you eman with properly linked up? |
| 08:00.16 | Kubi | twodie |
| 08:00.20 | Kubi | its not properly sized |
| 08:00.33 | xcorbox | I assume that WC3 units have team colors? |
| 08:00.36 | Kubi | and the editor doesn't allow me to scale it 40x |
| 08:00.45 | twodie | like the ruined tower. it uses wrong destinaitons of textutres |
| 08:00.49 | Kubi | The problem with that model |
| 08:00.50 | Kubi | is that |
| 08:01.01 | Kubi | the selection circle wont appear becasue the model is so god damn smal;l |
| 08:01.02 | twodie | kubi i edited them and used them in my own mod |
| 08:01.05 | Kubi | and I cant scale past 40x |
| 08:01.06 | twodie | its not the orginal one |
| 08:01.11 | xcorbox | for properly sizing just make a 0.1,0.1,0.1 size cube and enclose everythiug in there, the 0.1 cube is the size of a ucbe. |
| 08:01.13 | twodie | cant you see the diffrenece?s :? / |
| 08:01.14 | twodie | asd |
| 08:01.23 | Kubi | Oh |
| 08:01.27 | xcorbox | oh |
| 08:01.28 | Kubi | Who released the other |
| 08:01.29 | Kubi | mod |
| 08:01.32 | xcorbox | I get it now. |
| 08:01.34 | Kubi | Does selection circles appear? |
| 08:01.45 | twodie | yeah i did fix those shitty stuff |
| 08:01.46 | xcorbox | but I wish to go to bed |
| 08:01.49 | twodie | selection stuf fotehr |
| 08:01.50 | twodie | andnadl |
| 08:01.54 | Kubi | What the fuck? This is on television? http://annoyingorange.com/videos/annoying-orange-omg/ |
| 08:01.58 | xcorbox | could you shoot me a PM |
| 08:02.12 | xcorbox | and link me again to the model files |
| 08:02.21 | xcorbox | the two problems you are facing |
| 08:02.31 | twodie | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/wow-human-buildings/ |
| 08:02.36 | Kubi | well |
| 08:02.40 | twodie | .the wrong destiantions of textures |
| 08:02.40 | Kubi | I havent tried |
| 08:02.41 | twodie | aklmdaskdnlaskdnlaskdnl |
| 08:02.41 | Kubi | using twodies |
| 08:02.42 | twodie | ear\ |
| 08:02.42 | twodie | adf |
| 08:02.42 | twodie | asf |
| 08:02.51 | xcorbox | and if possible, if WC3 has unit colores, some pictures to reference so I cna make team colors |
| 08:02.51 | Kubi | twodie |
| 08:02.57 | Kubi | can you get a selection circle to appear |
| 08:03.06 | Kubi | and team colors |
| 08:03.10 | xcorbox | I'll glaldly fix them |
| 08:03.13 | xcorbox | but I have to go now |
| 08:03.27 | xcorbox | team colors need an alpha channel |
| 08:03.51 | xcorbox | ewhih these textures lack. |
| 08:03.59 | twodie | kubi WTF |
| 08:04.09 | twodie | kubi read description |
| 08:04.10 | twodie | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/wow-human-buildings/ |
| 08:04.27 | Kubi | Improved WMO Assets |
| 08:04.28 | Kubi | ok |
| 08:04.35 | Kubi | I DONT |
| 08:04.36 | Kubi | THINK |
| 08:04.39 | Kubi | I TRIED YOURS YET |
| 08:04.39 | Kubi | OK |
| 08:04.51 | xcorbox | twodie |
| 08:04.51 | twodie | ok? |
| 08:04.57 | Kubi | twodie |
| 08:04.57 | xcorbox | just send me a pm |
| 08:04.58 | Kubi | does it |
| 08:04.59 | Kubi | have |
| 08:05.01 | Kubi | team colors |
| 08:05.02 | xcorbox | with whatever you want me todo |
| 08:05.03 | Kubi | its not clear |
| 08:05.04 | Kubi | if it does |
| 08:05.09 | xcorbox | I am free this weekend |
| 08:05.24 | xcorbox | they do not have team colors, kubi. |
| 08:05.34 | twodie | xcorbox well i dont need you to do anything :) thanks for voluantiering! |
| 08:05.35 | Kubi | I am talking about twodies |
| 08:05.36 | xcorbox | anyway now bye |
| 08:05.42 | Kubi | Twodie |
| 08:05.42 | Kubi | DO |
| 08:05.43 | Kubi | They |
| 08:05.43 | Kubi | have |
| 08:05.45 | Kubi | team colors |
| 08:05.48 | Kubi | YAY |
| 08:05.48 | Kubi | OR |
| 08:05.49 | Kubi | NAY |
| 08:06.53 | Kubi | god damn it twodie |
| 08:07.29 | twodie | updated description |
| 08:08.13 | Kubi | Okay |
| 08:08.15 | Kubi | You still fail |
| 08:08.16 | Kubi | Does it have |
| 08:08.18 | Kubi | Team colors |
| 08:08.19 | Kubi | lol |
| 08:08.30 | Kubi | If it does |
| 08:08.31 | Kubi | I'll use it |
| 08:08.38 | twodie | updated? |
| 08:08.39 | Kubi | and I'll add you for the credits of my map |
| 08:08.47 | Kubi | Improved WMO Assets, added better texture handling in models, have team colors, models themselves improvemets, size improvement in game, selections circles radius in game, selection boxes. Includes Buildings: Barracks, Mine, Guard Tower, Town Hall, House, Farm, Lumber Mill, Blacksmith. Includes Icons and Wireframes of mentioned buildings above. (In future these buildings may get specular and normal maps applied, but when applied n |
| 08:08.59 | twodie | have team colors, models themselves improvemets, size improvement in game, selections circles radius in game, selection boxes. |
| 08:09.00 | Kubi | DOES NOT |
| 08:09.01 | Kubi | TEAL U |
| 08:09.02 | Kubi | OKAY |
| 08:09.03 | Kubi | Thank you |
| 08:09.12 | Kubi | Fucking christ twodie |
| 08:09.16 | Kubi | WANNA FIGHT |
| 08:09.17 | twodie | :D |
| 08:09.18 | Kubi | LETS GO BRAH |
| 08:09.23 | Kubi | Lol |
| 08:09.24 | twodie | dont use them yet |
| 08:09.27 | Kubi | It doesnt state it has |
| 08:09.29 | Kubi | Team color |
| 08:09.30 | twodie | cause they are fucked up |
| 08:09.31 | Kubi | ok |
| 08:09.35 | twodie | they dont use textures |
| 08:09.37 | Kubi | I'm remaking footman frenzy |
| 08:09.41 | Kubi | so a good barracks model |
| 08:09.43 | Kubi | would be baller |
| 08:09.45 | Kubi | and I'm picky |
| 08:09.53 | Kubi | with triceron's footman model |
| 08:09.56 | twodie | wait half hour or more for me to fix those textures on models first |
| 08:09.58 | iMisu | night kubi |
| 08:09.59 | Kubi | however I wish they had a fucking physics death |
| 08:10.02 | Kubi | night ImiSu |
| 08:10.03 | Kubi | I love you |
| 08:10.16 | iMisu | yah okay |
| 08:10.18 | iMisu | thats wierd |
| 08:10.22 | Kubi | Good |
| 08:10.25 | Kubi | I want you to be creeped |
| 08:10.30 | Kubi | My creep tumors |
| 08:10.31 | Kubi | all over you |
| 08:10.34 | iMisu | Telling Taz you said that. |
| 08:10.39 | Kubi | Whose that |
| 08:10.53 | Kubi | I want my spine crawler inside you |
| 08:10.55 | Kubi | damn she left |
| 08:11.22 | Kubi | Makes me wonder what it would be like to date a girl that was into Starcraft 2 mapmaking |
| 08:11.31 | Kubi | she is probably the only women outside of Blizzard HQ that makes maps |
| 08:11.49 | Kubi | Would make it hell of a lot easier to explain to my gf |
| 08:11.55 | Kubi | why I am making a map in a game |
| 08:15.20 | Ownage | why the hell can this stupid thing not make unit type groups I hate you |
| 08:15.53 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 08:16.08 | Torhal | JademusSreg: New expansion. Insane people. |
| 08:16.14 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 08:16.15 | A1win | unit types are strings, easy to store in data tables |
| 08:16.42 | Ownage | then what, parse them? |
| 08:16.57 | A1win | parse? |
| 08:17.10 | Ownage | how would I group them and reference the group |
| 08:17.18 | Ownage | you don't need data tables to store a string |
| 08:17.33 | Ownage | and when I look at data tables I still don't understand what would make them helpful |
| 08:17.41 | A1win | have you ever programmed lists? |
| 08:17.46 | Ownage | they seem to be a single dimensional hash |
| 08:17.51 | JademusSreg | Ow, you may be surprised to learn there aren't really generic data structures, haha. |
| 08:18.03 | Ownage | which seems useless to me unless I parse string names to be arrays |
| 08:18.12 | Ownage | which is still so hacky it makes me want to puke |
| 08:18.24 | A1win | that's the only solution you'll get |
| 08:18.36 | Ownage | I think I will chain arrays |
| 08:18.46 | Ownage | since they don't support 5 dimensions |
| 08:18.57 | JademusSreg | Structs. |
| 08:19.03 | JademusSreg | Or rather, GUI calls them Records. |
| 08:19.32 | Ownage | you know where there are some docs on that |
| 08:20.01 | JademusSreg | Uh, I don't use tutorials, but you could check the tutorial section on mapster. |
| 08:20.16 | A1win | you make it sound like scripting in sc2 editor should be on an equal level to modern programming languages |
| 08:20.20 | JademusSreg | Or the hopelessly outdated wiki. |
| 08:20.27 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 08:20.39 | Ownage | I just want more than 4 dimensions of array |
| 08:20.44 | Ownage | that's not at all a new modern idea |
| 08:20.47 | JademusSreg | You misunderstand, A1. I am instead admitting ignorance. |
| 08:20.50 | Ownage | that's a 1960's idea |
| 08:20.52 | A1win | I meant Ownage |
| 08:20.56 | JademusSreg | Oh. |
| 08:20.57 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 08:21.05 | JademusSreg | Let's all misunderstand one another. <3 |
| 08:21.14 | Ownage | JademusSreg, that's a lie and you know it |
| 08:21.24 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 08:21.31 | Ownage | sorry I misunderstood you |
| 08:21.32 | Ownage | :) |
| 08:21.35 | JademusSreg | HAh |
| 08:21.55 | Ownage | searching sc2mpaster for 'records' |
| 08:22.06 | A1win | does mouse moved event still not proc from camera movement? |
| 08:22.07 | Ownage | literally so far all I've found is 4 different threads complaining about them |
| 08:22.28 | Kubi | What happened? |
| 08:22.30 | Ownage | nothing in the wiki |
| 08:22.31 | Kubi | records |
| 08:22.32 | Kubi | are the fucking shit |
| 08:22.33 | JademusSreg | A1, not certain if that's changed. |
| 08:22.34 | Kubi | duude |
| 08:22.36 | Kubi | let me tell you |
| 08:22.37 | Kubi | records |
| 08:22.38 | Kubi | BALLER |
| 08:22.42 | Kubi | I LOVE THEM |
| 08:22.44 | Ownage | Kubi, tell me some docs/example |
| 08:22.48 | Kubi | uhh |
| 08:22.50 | Ownage | or you are lies |
| 08:22.51 | Kubi | have my pokemon map |
| 08:22.55 | Ownage | no |
| 08:23.07 | Kubi | What do you want to learn? |
| 08:23.12 | JademusSreg | google @ site:sc2mapster.com Record |
| 08:23.20 | Ownage | I just want a simple description and what the point is |
| 08:23.30 | Kubi | You can make new weapons |
| 08:23.34 | Kubi | for a system |
| 08:23.34 | Kubi | like |
| 08:23.44 | Kubi | Weapon for AC-130 |
| 08:23.45 | Kubi | in my map |
| 08:24.01 | JademusSreg | They are a structure, a struct, handled as a type and of which variables may be defined. |
| 08:24.02 | Kubi | Weapon.Cooldown <Real> 30.00 |
| 08:24.04 | Kubi | Idk |
| 08:24.05 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_(computer_science) |
| 08:24.05 | Kubi | but |
| 08:24.07 | Kubi | BUT |
| 08:24.15 | Kubi | Its easier to organize |
| 08:24.21 | Kubi | Weapon.Cooldown <real> 30.00 |
| 08:24.23 | Ownage | so they are similar to actual records |
| 08:24.30 | Kubi | Weapon.Damage <Integer> 130 damage |
| 08:24.33 | Ownage | unlike various other terms they use :) |
| 08:24.40 | Kubi | Weapon.Range <integer> 13 |
| 08:24.45 | Kubi | Idk if that helps |
| 08:24.47 | Kubi | but |
| 08:24.51 | Kubi | thats what I use with it |
| 08:25.13 | Kubi | Wtf is this waiting for player buf |
| 08:25.14 | Kubi | bug |
| 08:25.17 | Kubi | in arcade |
| 08:25.18 | Kubi | I hate it |
| 08:25.19 | Kubi | so much |
| 08:26.02 | Ownage | so far all you've said is you're using periods in your variable names lol |
| 08:26.26 | Kubi | STFU |
| 08:26.34 | Kubi | It's for making systems much easier |
| 08:26.44 | Kubi | I use it for a trigger based AC-130 like modern warfare mission |
| 08:26.48 | Kubi | for custom abilities |
| 08:26.48 | Ownage | so its like a cool period |
| 08:26.51 | Kubi | Or |
| 08:26.52 | Ownage | that is balla |
| 08:26.53 | Kubi | Pokemon Map |
| 08:26.59 | Kubi | Like |
| 08:27.12 | Kubi | Add Pokemon(Levels 1-3, DRONE, REGION 1) |
| 08:27.21 | Torhal | what the hell |
| 08:27.23 | Kubi | Just makes shit easier |
| 08:27.23 | Torhal | is the point |
| 08:27.24 | Kubi | instead of |
| 08:27.25 | Torhal | of typing |
| 08:27.26 | Torhal | like this |
| 08:27.29 | Kubi | because |
| 08:27.30 | Torhal | it's so fucking annoying |
| 08:27.32 | Kubi | I think |
| 08:27.33 | Kubi | faster |
| 08:27.33 | Kubi | than |
| 08:27.34 | Kubi | I type |
| 08:27.45 | Torhal | Solution: Stop hitting the fucking enter key. |
| 08:27.54 | A1win | isn't 5 one dimensional arrays essentially the same thing as one 5 dimensional array |
| 08:27.59 | Kubi | SORRY I WILL FROM NOW ON TYPE IN FULL SENTENCES FOR THE CONVINCENCE OF TORHAL WHO I NEVER HEARD BEFORE UNTIL HOTS CAME OUT |
| 08:28.06 | Kubi | A1Win |
| 08:28.09 | Torhal | You're spamming the channel and scrolling other people's sentences off the screen. |
| 08:28.15 | JademusSreg | They simplify making a fuck ton of associative arrays by allowing you to group other values together. |
| 08:28.16 | Kubi | What the fuck do you need to know 5 dimensional arrays for |
| 08:28.16 | Ownage | no, you would have to do more |
| 08:28.29 | Kubi | You know how many data values that fucking is |
| 08:28.49 | Ownage | yes it's x^y^z^a^b |
| 08:28.52 | JademusSreg | 5 per index. |
| 08:28.56 | Ownage | which can be quite a little |
| 08:28.59 | JademusSreg | Erm. |
| 08:29.01 | JademusSreg | Poot |
| 08:29.13 | JademusSreg | n^5 |
| 08:29.24 | Ownage | no, that's not right either JademusSreg :) |
| 08:29.30 | Ownage | that assumes they are all the same size |
| 08:29.31 | JademusSreg | That's fine. |
| 08:29.39 | Ownage | which there is no reason to believe |
| 08:29.44 | JademusSreg | Yeah, there is. |
| 08:29.48 | Ownage | not at all |
| 08:29.50 | Ownage | mine arent |
| 08:29.55 | JademusSreg | Even galaxy bools are 32 bits. |
| 08:30.08 | Ownage | that has nothing to do with what he said |
| 08:30.14 | Ownage | <Kubi> You know how many data values that fucking is |
| 08:30.20 | Kubi | Well |
| 08:30.23 | Ownage | you're talking about ram allocation |
| 08:30.26 | Kubi | I'm not a fucking programmer |
| 08:30.33 | Kubi | I just use GUI to trigger shit |
| 08:30.39 | Kubi | and I'm good with it |
| 08:31.00 | A1win | I don't even know what you're talking about anymore |
| 08:31.11 | A1win | sounds like you're making this overly complicated |
| 08:31.22 | Ownage | no blizzard is making it overly complicated |
| 08:31.34 | Ownage | think about if you could only have single dimensional arrays |
| 08:31.45 | Ownage | >< |
| 08:32.34 | A1win | it'd be an annoyance but not unusable |
| 08:32.38 | Reaperguyver | How do I force set the slots on team to equal players 1-4? |
| 08:32.59 | Ownage | make game variant |
| 08:33.07 | Ownage | tell it which players are in team |
| 08:33.45 | Reaperguyver | and lock the teams? |
| 08:34.00 | Ownage | yup |
| 08:34.15 | Ownage | how do I use records |
| 08:34.19 | Ownage | I don't find 'record' in actions |
| 08:34.25 | Ownage | and I don't find it as a variable type |
| 08:34.32 | Reaperguyver | awesome thanks. |
| 08:34.40 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that should work, so long as you don't need to move players to other slots. |
| 08:35.18 | EntityEnigma | dat hidden terrain layer is anoying |
| 08:35.34 | JademusSreg | View options, Ent |
| 08:36.12 | EntityEnigma | eh> |
| 08:36.13 | EntityEnigma | ? |
| 08:36.48 | JademusSreg | If you want to change which terrain layers are visible, you'd disable it under the View options. |
| 08:37.00 | Ownage | ok well I made a new record with an integer variable |
| 08:37.04 | A1win | Ownage, it's "- Record" variable type, listed at the top |
| 08:37.24 | Ownage | how do I actually use that variable now |
| 08:37.49 | A1win | make a variable of type - Record: your record type |
| 08:37.53 | EntityEnigma | it just gets in the way when im trying to place small doodads against walls |
| 08:38.21 | EntityEnigma | i can turn it off but it still prevents me from selecting the doodads if they are under the layer |
| 08:39.23 | Ownage | can you only have one record? |
| 08:39.41 | Reaperguyver | I didn't describe what I wanted it to do properly >.< lol |
| 08:40.09 | JademusSreg | Don't worry, Reap, that happens all the time. |
| 08:40.14 | Reaperguyver | I want to allow the players to switch teams but still have the slot count for that player? |
| 08:40.26 | Reaperguyver | Kinda burned out and trying to figure this out is not a great idea>.< |
| 08:40.57 | Ownage | or 1 record per scope or something? |
| 08:41.01 | JademusSreg | Why is it important that the player stays in the slot? Using players directly instead of from team playergroups, I expect? |
| 08:41.18 | Reaperguyver | Just not good at triggers? |
| 08:41.28 | Reaperguyver | hard to explain >.< |
| 08:41.29 | A1win | can't have records within records I think but no other restrictions |
| 08:41.51 | JademusSreg | That's a yes. I'll explain, Reap. |
| 08:41.52 | Ownage | player is already the player number |
| 08:42.05 | Reaperguyver | like a player starts and has his starting location and is assigned to a team and he picks the unit he wants. even if he is on the other team is still runs the trigger like he was on the first team. |
| 08:42.16 | JademusSreg | Galaxy allows nested structs, I'd just assume GUI does. |
| 08:42.24 | A1win | mmm |
| 08:42.27 | Ownage | ok that might be helpful |
| 08:42.33 | Ownage | any idea how deep? :) |
| 08:42.38 | JademusSreg | All the way. |
| 08:42.47 | Ownage | kinky |
| 08:42.53 | Reaperguyver | lol |
| 08:42.56 | JademusSreg | Reap, you see the action called Players on Team? |
| 08:43.10 | A1win | *function |
| 08:43.18 | JademusSreg | Thanks. =D |
| 08:43.25 | Reaperguyver | yeah |
| 08:43.29 | JademusSreg | GUI terminology is weird. |
| 08:43.48 | A1win | actions are functions that aren't supposed to return values (though they still can) |
| 08:43.50 | JademusSreg | Anyway, you should get your players from that, by using a for each or pick each loop. |
| 08:44.02 | A1win | categorizing them under actions is only for GUI purposes |
| 08:44.05 | JademusSreg | Or. |
| 08:44.21 | Reaperguyver | ookay. |
| 08:44.45 | Ownage | oh I see, it automatically chooses the one record that exists when you make variable record type |
| 08:44.48 | A1win | for each player in (players on team x) |
| 08:44.51 | JademusSreg | You can set the game varients to custom teams, locked teams, and don't lock players in their team slots. |
| 08:44.56 | Ownage | I thought that meant it only allows one, but it's just trying to be smart |
| 08:45.01 | JademusSreg | So the players can be moved, but new teams aren't created. |
| 08:45.23 | A1win | Ownage, that's the only record it can select, nothing smart about it ;D |
| 08:45.24 | JademusSreg | You may need to use both, depending on what you're doing. |
| 08:45.25 | Reaperguyver | right. |
| 08:45.28 | Reaperguyver | makes sense |
| 08:45.33 | Reaperguyver | but now I can't find it lol |
| 08:45.41 | JademusSreg | *variants |
| 08:45.42 | JademusSreg | Hah |
| 08:45.43 | Reaperguyver | thought if i just typed it in in would show up. |
| 08:45.55 | A1win | JademusSreg, did you see my idea of a mega monster map last night? D: |
| 08:46.11 | JademusSreg | Nope. I may have been afk. |
| 08:46.28 | A1win | 1-3 players controlling huge godzilla-sized zerg creatures and others attacking them with hundreds of troops |
| 08:46.35 | A1win | lots of aoe stuff for the monsters |
| 08:47.12 | A1win | and to make it pretty, the monsters destroy the environment as they run in it |
| 08:47.39 | JademusSreg | Ah, there was a map like that during beta, but players could only play defense. Also, reminds me several games, haha. |
| 08:48.10 | JademusSreg | Had fun on the ol' console smashing buildings and eating people to recover health. |
| 08:48.14 | JademusSreg | Or was it points? |
| 08:48.16 | JademusSreg | Whichever. |
| 08:48.22 | A1win | mm |
| 08:48.24 | JademusSreg | Sounds cool. |
| 08:48.25 | A1win | someone pointed me to Rampage |
| 08:48.47 | Ownage | Someone? oh come on |
| 08:48.52 | A1win | ;> |
| 08:48.54 | Ownage | I'm right friggin here |
| 08:49.00 | Ownage | haha I knew this would crash the editor |
| 08:49.02 | A1win | I wasn't sure it was you |
| 08:49.06 | Ownage | stupid blizaard and your sloppy ass code |
| 08:49.23 | Ownage | this is why that 'try to be smart' comment is relevent |
| 08:49.25 | A1win | your raging attitude makes me want to forget you ;> |
| 08:49.28 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that was it. |
| 08:49.32 | twodie | kubi |
| 08:49.33 | twodie | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/wow-human-buildings/files/2-wow-assets-0-2/ |
| 08:49.48 | Reaperguyver | okay I think I got this. I should use the variable then modify the spawn trigger to respond to what team they are on? |
| 08:49.51 | Kubi | its all good now? |
| 08:49.54 | Ownage | their misguided attempt at being smart opens a bug which causes crash in editor |
| 08:50.14 | Ownage | A1win, feel free to /ignore |
| 08:50.28 | A1win | I don't use ignore |
| 08:50.43 | Ownage | then forgetting me shall be a difficult task for the time being :) |
| 08:50.49 | twodie | kubi it should |
| 08:50.50 | Kubi | Ignore is for pussies |
| 08:50.53 | Kubi | real men deal with the situation |
| 08:50.58 | twodie | import all models and textures |
| 08:51.19 | twodie | and check if all models using textures correctly |
| 08:51.36 | twodie | plus its had to say which textures used only for barracks |
| 08:51.47 | Kubi | well |
| 08:51.49 | Kubi | i have to check later |
| 08:51.50 | Kubi | because |
| 08:51.53 | Kubi | nigger |
| 08:52.01 | Kubi | It's fucking already 4 AM!? |
| 08:52.15 | Ownage | I take offense to that word |
| 08:52.25 | Ownage | please call it 'morning', as AM is really rude |
| 08:52.38 | Ownage | uncalled for, really |
| 08:52.39 | Torhal | ... |
| 08:52.42 | Torhal | headdesks. |
| 08:52.47 | Torhal | Sixen: Kill me now. |
| 08:54.12 | A1win | JademusSreg, anyway the question about mose moved event, I was thinking of giving the monsters diabloish controls where you hold mouse to move etc, would be cool if the camera could change its zoom level and rotation dynamically, but it'd be a huge headache to calculate the new mouse position whenever the camera view changes without mouse moving |
| 08:54.30 | A1win | I guess the other option would be to use the dummy unit highlight thing |
| 08:54.39 | twodie | So anyone else here could check if all textures appears on models when imported? http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/wow-human-buildings/files/2-wow-assets-0-2/ |
| 08:55.30 | JademusSreg | I'm curious if actors can affect changes to player cameras, since both are asynchronous in some capacity. |
| 08:58.23 | twodie | .. |
| 08:58.38 | JademusSreg | Anyway, it's totally doable, so long as you don't need it to lock camera and such like in most FPS/TPS perspective maps. |
| 08:59.30 | JademusSreg | Even if you do, you could attempt to infer the target position in a FPS, though that's a whole other mess. |
| 08:59.44 | JademusSreg | Don't worry, twod. |
| 08:59.49 | Ownage | not having luck nesting records |
| 09:00.27 | JademusSreg | I've got the archive, gonna launch the editor. |
| 09:01.43 | Sixen | =o |
| 09:01.43 | twodie | JademusSreg why no full nick? :? |
| 09:02.34 | JademusSreg | I tend to use only the first syllable, for pbrevity. |
| 09:02.50 | JademusSreg | Also, brevity, hah. |
| 09:03.15 | A1win | gah, I'm not quite sure where I'd begin when trying to update mouse world position when camera rotates D: |
| 09:03.41 | JademusSreg | I think you mean the other way around. |
| 09:03.42 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 09:04.05 | JademusSreg | Unless you -are- attempting to infer it from the camera. |
| 09:04.12 | JademusSreg | Which is a |
| 09:04.20 | JademusSreg | painful, to say the least. |
| 09:05.12 | A1win | yeah, I'd want to allow the camera to change its view automatically and the game still know what point the mouse is on |
| 09:05.20 | Ownage | what is an arrayed record variable? |
| 09:05.36 | A1win | so that as the player guides the unit with the mouse, I could do some camera tricks at the same time |
| 09:05.38 | Ownage | it just assigns all the indexes to the same record |
| 09:06.00 | A1win | like zooming out when running fast, rotating to get a better view, etc |
| 09:06.52 | A1win | but I'd probably have to calculate it using camera target, angles, field of view, distance, z offset, etc >_> |
| 09:07.06 | A1win | which doesn't sound very fun |
| 09:07.21 | JademusSreg | The results could be nice though. =D |
| 09:08.04 | A1win | mm... gaah |
| 09:08.16 | A1win | haven't done math in years |
| 09:08.28 | JademusSreg | Twod, the models all work. Look nice. |
| 09:08.48 | JademusSreg | No obvious errors. |
| 09:09.44 | twodie | JademusSreg thanks |
| 09:09.47 | A1win | I guess I'd essentially be projecting a 2D point on the UI into the 3D world |
| 09:10.21 | A1win | since the mouse doesn't move on the UI when the camera moves |
| 09:10.37 | A1win | now it sounds like a problem someone has already solved ;p |
| 09:10.47 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 09:10.49 | Ownage | aha! |
| 09:11.04 | Ownage | you have to put the records in reverse order to nest them |
| 09:11.16 | Ownage | womp |
| 09:11.24 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 09:11.47 | JademusSreg | Oh, you mean galaxy doesn't support forward declaration? Yeah. |
| 09:12.30 | JademusSreg | Though you can prototype functions with their signatures and wiggle it that way, a process which GUI handles for the user. |
| 09:13.16 | A1win | I still have no clue what I should do though @_@ |
| 09:13.27 | A1win | maybe I'll just smash the keyboard and see what happens |
| 09:13.41 | JademusSreg | Anything you want, A1. |
| 09:14.02 | A1win | I mean to update this mouse position |
| 09:14.23 | JademusSreg | Which one are you attempting to move? =D |
| 09:14.44 | A1win | the point at which the mouse cursor is supposed to be |
| 09:14.49 | A1win | I mean the reference to the point |
| 09:14.51 | A1win | ._o |
| 09:15.10 | Ownage | well the good news is I can now nest 5 levels deep using records |
| 09:15.14 | A1win | after camera is moved, I need to know what world position the mouse cursor is at |
| 09:15.44 | Ownage | the bad news is I can't generate the indexes so it's useless if not doing a manual check |
| 09:15.45 | A1win | updating target is easy, can just add the x and y difference to that point |
| 09:15.56 | A1win | but what if I want to rotate or zoom it D: |
| 09:16.06 | Ownage | unless there's some custom script I can paste in to generate the variable name |
| 09:16.38 | JademusSreg | Maintain a virtual cursor position and update it along with the camera? |
| 09:16.53 | A1win | yeah but... the math :x |
| 09:17.42 | JademusSreg | Though that would break, definitely. |
| 09:18.06 | A1win | break? |
| 09:18.47 | Ownage | hey what would a custom script be to return st(1) |
| 09:18.50 | Ownage | str* |
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| 09:19.43 | JademusSreg | Yeah, the player input data is synced about 16 times per game time second, so players could move the cursor and mess with tracking. |
| 09:19.47 | A1win | err, I'd also need to know window resolution for it, or at least the center point of the window <.< |
| 09:19.48 | JademusSreg | StringSub |
| 09:20.02 | A1win | (which is the same thing, essentially) |
| 09:20.08 | JademusSreg | Wait, wat, Ow? |
| 09:20.38 | Ownage | I've got a record which has a var in it referencing another record |
| 09:20.56 | Ownage | thus I can reference a variable in that second one by: one.two.variablename |
| 09:21.06 | Ownage | however I can't programatically achieve 'two' |
| 09:21.19 | Ownage | therefore this is useless for my purposes unless I could do this |
| 09:21.26 | Ownage | 1.2.variablename |
| 09:21.27 | A1win | JademusSreg, but everything else is synced at that rate too, including the unit orders |
| 09:21.32 | A1win | so that wouldn't be a problem D: |
| 09:21.35 | Ownage | and be able to tell it 1 or 2 programatically |
| 09:22.21 | JademusSreg | Not really clear on what your structure looks like, Ow. Pastebin. |
| 09:22.28 | JademusSreg | But, if I may guess. |
| 09:22.41 | A1win | hmm |
| 09:22.49 | JademusSreg | shit[1].fuck[2].cod |
| 09:22.55 | Ownage | variable called 1 pointing to record called 1 with a variable called 2 in it pointing to record 2 |
| 09:23.03 | A1win | if I put a dialog at the center of the screen and then get the center of that dialog, will it return the center of the screen D: |
| 09:23.04 | JademusSreg | That's the syntax for nested struct arrays. |
| 09:23.13 | A1win | or is it relative to its anchor |
| 09:23.39 | JademusSreg | Always relative to its anchor. Tested that long ago., |
| 09:23.49 | A1win | bleh |
| 09:23.50 | Ownage | struct arrays as in variable of record type that is array? |
| 09:23.56 | Ownage | or array in record? |
| 09:24.08 | A1win | how does the screen resolution checker thing work? |
| 09:24.49 | JademusSreg | Record is a type definition which must then be instanced by a variable. If the struct definition contains an array, that array will also be instantiated. |
| 09:25.29 | Ownage | yeah but from what I can tell arrays of the record type don't work at all, or I'm not understanding them |
| 09:25.59 | JademusSreg | They certainly work. |
| 09:26.00 | Ownage | assume this case: I make 2 records: rec1, rec2. I make a new variable, called myrecords, and make it an array, of type record |
| 09:26.21 | Ownage | how do I assign myrecords[1] to be rec1 and myrecords[2] to be rec2 |
| 09:26.38 | Ownage | you can't 'set variable' on it that I can see |
| 09:26.56 | JademusSreg | There is no generic type Record. |
| 09:27.20 | JademusSreg | So there'd be no generic record array. |
| 09:27.50 | Ownage | I don't understand that part |
| 09:28.07 | A1win | meh, maybe I should use the oldschool way of spawning the screen full of invisible units that can be highlighted then =p |
| 09:28.23 | JademusSreg | But assuming all 3 are the same type of Record, they it would be done as one would set a variable. |
| 09:28.40 | A1win | hmmm |
| 09:29.36 | Ownage | yeah I don't know what you're saying :| |
| 09:29.50 | Ownage | I can't assign any values in an array of the type -Record |
| 09:30.18 | JademusSreg | From the variable declaration or from anywhere? =D |
| 09:30.20 | A1win | if I used units that are shaped like narrow triangles with one corner in the center of the screen, I could get the direction of the mouse from the center, and would require less units than spawning small squares |
| 09:30.28 | Ownage | neither |
| 09:30.43 | Ownage | the variable declaration allows you to choose 1 record |
| 09:30.48 | Ownage | even if you set it to array |
| 09:30.55 | Ownage | and set variable doesn't find records at all |
| 09:30.58 | A1win | except that I need the actual position since the unit isn't supposed to move past the point <.< |
| 09:32.06 | Ownage | in fact you can't even say set recordsvar[1] to something |
| 09:32.28 | Ownage | it already has assigned the whole array to the same record and therefore you can only say set recordsvar[1].member |
| 09:32.37 | A1win | wtf I just realized how I can get the mouse position using TWO UNITS :x |
| 09:32.56 | JademusSreg | I'm not aware of what you're attempting to do, Ow. |
| 09:33.03 | JademusSreg | Or rather, how you attempt to do it. |
| 09:33.33 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/fyUdbNGH |
| 09:33.47 | A1win | 1) spawn two units that each covers half of the screen 2) one is highlighted, change their scale and position so that they now cover the area that unit was covering 3) get new highlighted event 4) repeat until at desired accuracy |
| 09:33.59 | A1win | err might be laggy though |
| 09:34.07 | A1win | since it'd have to catch multiple events before reaching that accuracy <.< |
| 09:34.10 | JademusSreg | Worth a try. |
| 09:34.22 | A1win | maybe using more than 2 for less lag ;D |
| 09:34.40 | A1win | like 8*8 or so |
| 09:36.10 | JademusSreg | A1, I do recall hearing about an approach like that. I think there is something on the forums about it, perhaps. |
| 09:36.18 | A1win | then it's accurate at 1/8 x and y precision every 1/16 seconds and accurate at 1/16 every 1/8 seconds |
| 09:36.28 | A1win | hmm |
| 09:36.45 | JademusSreg | More than a year ago, iirc |
| 09:37.17 | Ownage | I don't even know what the fuck I'm trying to do at this point |
| 09:37.26 | Ownage | I just want a 5 dimensional relationship |
| 09:37.27 | JademusSreg | The demonstration didn't hide the units, either. Maybe there were creep tumors in the demo. |
| 09:37.32 | Ownage | oh right that's what I wanted |
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| 09:37.58 | Ownage | I want an array I can call like this: blah[1][3][1][4] which returns the record |
| 09:38.01 | A1win | there's 10 pages of threads when I search with "mouse position" |
| 09:38.01 | twodie | is there away to make research for unit when researched would allow that unit that reseached to recruit units but other same research type units would get the recruitement of that unit research |
| 09:38.02 | twodie | e |
| 09:38.04 | twodie | d |
| 09:38.23 | Ownage | and blah[1][3][1][2] would return a different record |
| 09:38.44 | Zolden | twodie: waht? |
| 09:39.06 | Ownage | yes that would work. but like I said when I make an array of the type record everything points to the same record and it apparently can't be changed, thus puzzling me about why it's an array |
| 09:39.36 | A1win | here's one but it doesn't use iteration in the position detection http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/trigger-libraries/11481-library-realtime-mouse-tracking-system/ |
| 09:39.45 | Ownage | gah fuck it |
| 09:39.48 | Ownage | I'm going to play a game |
| 09:39.53 | Ownage | this editor sucks balls right now |
| 09:39.59 | Ownage | hateslife |
| 09:40.04 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 09:40.34 | Ownage | I'm just going to do like 625 if statements |
| 09:40.39 | A1win | wouldn't want to use too many units since I'd want a rather large number of things to kill for the monsters |
| 09:40.41 | JademusSreg | Yeah, A1, that's it. |
| 09:41.03 | JademusSreg | Ow, not sure how this is difficult. |
| 09:41.19 | A1win | yeah I remembered that solution, thought you meant someone had used that iteration thing I described |
| 09:41.31 | Ownage | sweet I got special thanks in nexus squadron strike |
| 09:41.49 | Ownage | G0A, so what was causing the interceptors to vanish? |
| 09:41.55 | JademusSreg | Make a struct, make its struct members arrays, make an array of arrays. Or hell, a 5-part key for a data table entry. |
| 09:41.55 | twodie | Zolden you research to train marine at barracks, when its complete you would be able to train marine at that barrack that researched to train marine but if you build or own more barracks you wouldnt be able to do on those barracks unless research is completed there too |
| 09:42.28 | Zolden | yea, it's easy |
| 09:42.34 | A1win | oh well I'll try how it'll feel... |
| 09:43.23 | Zolden | twodie: just give the barracks an ability, so the barrack fit the requirement |
| 09:43.31 | twodie | Zolden well requiements doesnt help |
| 09:43.45 | twodie | if researched dont allow on that unit or ther units |
| 09:44.20 | Zolden | research must be a dummy research which only gives a behavior to the unit that researched |
| 09:46.19 | twodie | Zolden yes with behaviors it works. but how to apply the behavrior via research, upgrade |
| 09:46.48 | Zolden | lemme check |
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| 09:48.58 | JademusSreg | Ow, in case you find yourself in need of an API reference, here's the non-AI natives: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/natives.galaxy |
| 09:51.57 | Zolden | twodie: use specialize abil http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/abilities/queueable/specialize/ |
| 09:52.37 | twodie | i see |
| 09:52.46 | twodie | dead undead people |
| 09:52.49 | twodie | fuaifs |
| 09:52.50 | twodie | asfaf\ |
| 09:52.50 | twodie | asfasf |
| 09:52.51 | twodie | asf |
| 09:52.51 | twodie | af |
| 09:52.51 | twodie | a' |
| 09:52.51 | twodie | q |
| 09:52.53 | twodie | akl;f |
| 09:52.56 | twodie | ME |
| 09:54.13 | twodie | other problem the Q and W hotkeys are reseted to nothing... even while it unique button stuff |
| 09:55.13 | JademusSreg | Ah, specialize is a sexy ability type. |
| 09:57.16 | JademusSreg | Hm, what was the simple IDE Dustin suggested I use for a galaxy extension. |
| 09:59.32 | JademusSreg | Oh, A1, that reminds me, I found last night how one would change the sound for a dialog button. |
| 09:59.41 | A1win | oh o: |
| 10:00.54 | JademusSreg | Yes, it's defined in the its UI template. Simply make a new template and override the Sound attribute, then make the dialog control from that template. |
| 10:01.17 | A1win | ah |
| 10:04.53 | JademusSreg | Found it while looking for the means by which it is determined dialog control properties apply to what elements. |
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| 10:08.55 | Zolden | teleports duckies inside duckies which creates a paradox without time travelling |
| 10:10.15 | duckies | is merged with other duckies to create "alpha duckies" |
| 10:15.39 | JademusSreg | is a lagomorph. |
| 10:23.56 | twodie | anyone knows where to find in editor the value of key "W" that uses to select all the warpgates? |
| 10:24.08 | JademusSreg | Game UI data perhaps? |
| 10:24.16 | JademusSreg | Or Gameplay data. |
| 10:24.43 | Zolden | hotkeys are still fucked? |
| 10:26.57 | twodie | yeah? |
| 10:27.16 | A1win | damn this implementation is more complicated than I imagined ;p |
| 10:29.36 | Zolden | guys, can I hide data entries based on source? LIke if I would have something in search to keep in the list only the matching entries. But they don't share a unique name part, so I only want to keep the green colored entries (non-default) in the list to save time. |
| 10:29.49 | Zolden | i mean entries in the data editor lists |
| 10:30.29 | JademusSreg | Er, they have two filters. |
| 10:30.42 | JademusSreg | By source and by string search. |
| 10:31.00 | Zolden | oh, cool, how to switch to the by source one? |
| 10:31.12 | Zolden | oh, got it |
| 10:31.15 | Zolden | ok, ty |
| 10:33.04 | Zolden | replaces every thought in duckies head to a penis joke |
| 10:34.28 | duckies | divides in two seperate enteties one of which inheris penis mind. |
| 10:34.38 | duckies | throws penis duckies at zolden |
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| 10:37.48 | twodie | cant find the warpgates selection button hotkey, where to edit the UI buttons hotkeys? |
| 10:39.39 | duckies | twodie, when you find it tell me too. I did a quick search on those but didn't find it in 5 minutes I dedicated to the issue. had to remove unit from hotkey list to prevent conflicts :| |
| 10:44.07 | JademusSreg | Hmmm. |
| 10:44.15 | JademusSreg | I'll do a quick search. |
| 10:44.59 | twodie | found in game UI only tooltips and hint text about them. |
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| 10:45.25 | twodie | mb somehow its possible to use links of those and replace the values somewhere |
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| 10:49.43 | A1win | <.< and of course, half way through implementation I realize I could've done this a bit smarter |
| 10:50.42 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 10:51.26 | JademusSreg | twod, are you in HotS or WoL? |
| 10:51.31 | A1win | oh well not a huge change |
| 10:51.32 | twodie | wol\ |
| 10:51.46 | Ownage | JademusSreg, I figured out how to do that with records I think |
| 10:52.06 | Ownage | however I can't find a way to see if it's been instanced yet |
| 10:52.06 | JademusSreg | Which dependencies are you using? |
| 10:53.21 | JademusSreg | Own, mind showing me the mapscript? Pastebin or similar service, preferably. |
| 10:53.26 | Ownage | x[0][1][1][1].unit_type[1] = whatever; but in my game not every combination of everything will be populated |
| 10:53.51 | twodie | its interesting that in AoK the W key works fine selecting units to train or build.. |
| 10:54.05 | Ownage | if I try UI text message x[1][1][1][0].unit_type[1] it errors looking past end of array |
| 10:54.12 | Ownage | because I haven't specifically set it |
| 10:54.41 | JademusSreg | twod, which dependencies is your map/mod using? |
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| 10:55.34 | JademusSreg | Own, Ctrl F11 in the trigger editor, copypasta the code and put it on pastebin. I'd like to get a sense of what you're attempting. |
| 10:56.07 | twodie | Jaday libery without story |
| 10:56.18 | twodie | campaign |
| 10:56.24 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 10:56.40 | JademusSreg | Just wanna know where I should start digging. |
| 10:56.42 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 10:58.10 | Ownage | trigger called 'test' fires 1 second after game and prints text version of two unit types it found |
| 10:58.27 | Ownage | on trying the third, it causes error because I haven't previously instanciated it |
| 10:58.59 | Ownage | this means if I can't figure out how to validate that, I will need to make 5*5*5*5*4 declarations that I otherwise wouldn't |
| 10:59.03 | JademusSreg | What's the error message? |
| 10:59.43 | A1win | x_X unit highlighted event returns 0 for triggering player when I higlight a unit |
| 11:00.10 | A1win | oh wait no |
| 11:00.11 | JademusSreg | A1, who owns the unit? |
| 11:00.32 | A1win | nvm, I give "0" as the parameter for the function instead of the player <.< |
| 11:00.46 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 11:01.18 | Ownage | sorry use this one |
| 11:01.32 | Ownage | its more clear what im doing |
| 11:01.41 | Ownage | let me find the er |
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| 11:03.46 | Ownage | gt_test_Func could not get 'text' from parameter in UIDisplayMessage (65535) near line 750 in gt_test_Func |
| 11:04.36 | Ownage | my understanding of this is that the error is because that actually doesn't exist yet to even have a default |
| 11:04.37 | JademusSreg | Yeah, the text is null, because the string is null, because as you said, it hasn't been initialized. |
| 11:04.39 | twodie | hotkeys SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fuckedup |
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| 11:04.54 | Ownage | do you know a way to check that |
| 11:05.00 | Ownage | if not then this is also useless to me |
| 11:05.24 | Ownage | I guess I could write a loop that instanciates every combination |
| 11:05.39 | Ownage | that would be...... awesome |
| 11:05.47 | JademusSreg | Which necessitates it be nested in an if (gv_golems.lv_combination[v][w][x][y].lv_unit_type[z] != null) { ... } |
| 11:05.52 | evily | i notice some maps have a unit called hunterling? but i cant seem to find it in the unit browser. anyone know what dependcy its part of? I also think im missing the Dark stalker |
| 11:06.38 | JademusSreg | Own, all memory is allocated by default, so unlike arrays in C, you can access uninstantiated indexes. |
| 11:07.00 | JademusSreg | But it must be initialized for that call to not throw an error. |
| 11:07.08 | Ownage | got it |
| 11:07.33 | JademusSreg | Ev, that's from the blizz mod LEft 2 Die or whatever. |
| 11:07.36 | Ownage | is null the same as None in unit type? |
| 11:07.48 | evily | Ok. I guess its just a small brutalisk. |
| 11:07.49 | JademusSreg | Should be. |
| 11:07.59 | evily | You know the name of the Dark Stalker by any chance? |
| 11:08.02 | JademusSreg | I'd be very concerned if GUI deviated in that way. |
| 11:08.06 | Ownage | awesome you may have just saved my life |
| 11:08.40 | JademusSreg | Ev, the Dark Stalker is the Stalker with a texture swap triggered by an actor event validating the Dark PRotoss upgrade. |
| 11:08.45 | JademusSreg | Own, no problem. |
| 11:08.56 | evily | okay. awesome |
| 11:08.57 | Ownage | you know you can tab complete nicks right |
| 11:09.04 | JademusSreg | I'd rather not. |
| 11:09.05 | Ownage | and it will alert the person you are talking about them |
| 11:09.20 | Ownage | ok here we go crossing fingers |
| 11:09.39 | JademusSreg | I prefer the short version, for brevity. And sometimes humor. |
| 11:09.50 | Ownage | it works thanks broham |
| 11:09.58 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 11:10.28 | Ownage | turns out with a little fun we can use what equates to 5+ dimensional arrays |
| 11:11.10 | JademusSreg | Another fun fact: array indexes can be defined by constants, so you can scale them all from a single constant if you wanted. |
| 11:12.24 | Ownage | what does that get you |
| 11:12.36 | Ownage | oh I see what you mean, the max there |
| 11:12.41 | Ownage | so you can expand them as you need to |
| 11:12.42 | Ownage | cool |
| 11:22.31 | evily | so i added the dark protoss upgrade, now i want it to add two attacks to the stalker. how do i actually do this? i figured out how to get the UI to display two attacks, but how do i actually get the damage to reflect two attacks, like with the collosus for example |
| 11:24.06 | Ownage | look at how zealot does it |
| 11:24.08 | JademusSreg | By modifying the effect tree. |
| 11:24.21 | JademusSreg | Specifically, you'll use a create persistent. |
| 11:24.43 | A1win | mmf I need a cube model that has a precise selection box |
| 11:24.45 | JademusSreg | Assuming you want any sort of delay or offset between them. |
| 11:25.23 | A1win | the cube shape has some weird sized one |
| 11:25.25 | JademusSreg | A1, unit selection is determined by the bounding sphere in the asset. =D |
| 11:25.58 | A1win | well I need a cube model that has a bounding whatevershape that's exactly its size ;p |
| 11:26.06 | A1win | I don't think it needs to be a sphere |
| 11:26.10 | JademusSreg | But you can attach other models with bounding spheres to it. Attach them at offsets to give a more even distribution. |
| 11:27.24 | JademusSreg | For example, many spell visuals lack one, and attaching a model to them with one makes them selectable. |
| 11:27.48 | A1win | how does that help me D: |
| 11:27.53 | JademusSreg | Sorry, bounding and selection are different, but related. |
| 11:28.17 | A1win | I just need the cube to become highlighted when the mouse is visually touching it |
| 11:28.54 | JademusSreg | You said its "weird" for the cube. I'm saying you can compose a selection volume of whatever you want, if you should have need to do so. =D |
| 11:31.47 | A1win | and I was asking how to do that D: |
| 11:33.12 | JademusSreg | Ah. Have the actor for your base unit create model actors with host site ops that position it at offsets. |
| 11:35.48 | A1win | how do I know what the end result will be D: |
| 11:36.03 | A1win | I just need a simple cube bounding volume for the unit |
| 11:36.59 | JademusSreg | Haha. The cutscene editor can show you selection sphere geometries if you set it to render them. |
| 11:37.08 | JademusSreg | You should be able to find something more suitable. |
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| 11:56.46 | A1win | ooh it almost works, just need to figure out why offset isn't working... |
| 11:57.52 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 11:59.31 | G0A | Ownage it was the PDD shoting down the interceptors. Its just PDD has 0 attack speed, also I thought I fixed that once but it turned out that PDD actually use a dummy behavior to shoot. |
| 11:59.49 | Ownage | aha |
| 12:02.22 | Zolden | 0 attack speed is actually 0.0625 attack speed, right? |
| 12:03.00 | JademusSreg | The weapon on the PDD just initiates the search area effect. |
| 12:12.01 | Zolden | crap, spoilers all around the mapster, i should finish the fucking campaign to stop being afraid of them |
| 12:12.26 | JademusSreg | Research indicates spoilers enhance enjoyment. |
| 12:12.58 | JademusSreg | Perhaps because it better enables one to appreciate the details. |
| 12:13.43 | JademusSreg | Speaking from personal experience here, even misleading spoilers achieve this effect. |
| 12:16.14 | Zolden | this may be true, and still I think that spoilers tone down the emotional burst of witnessing an unexpected and dramatic turn of events |
| 12:16.51 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 12:17.11 | Zolden | while misleading spoilers are definitely a good thing |
| 12:18.09 | JademusSreg | I wonder why the game caches bnet stream data in the main mpqs. |
| 12:18.46 | Zolden | for example, if I knew that that mutant nigger is the spy in the totall recall old movie, I wouldn't be so irritated when he betrayed the good guys |
| 12:19.40 | JademusSreg | Perhaps we differ in emotional engagement. =D |
| 12:21.32 | Zolden | an opposite example is "crime and punishment" book, we know who is the killer put the process of finding it out by the detective is full of joy and psychological deepness |
| 12:23.25 | Zolden | so, the only way to check is to spoil it and then play, and try to measure the joy compared to the wol which wasn't spoiled, but it feels like being an ancient biochemist and infecting self with a virus and then check what happens |
| 12:23.56 | Zolden | while results are still subjective |
| 12:24.08 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 12:24.08 | Zolden | what's bnet stream data? |
| 12:24.27 | JademusSreg | The data battlenet sends you, like maps, textures, and such. |
| 12:24.58 | Zolden | i think they cache stuff to fasten loading process when it's possible |
| 12:25.31 | JademusSreg | It seems odd they put it in that particular mpq, rather than a separate one, but whatever. |
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| 13:18.33 | A1win | huhh finally, was giving me a headache |
| 13:18.59 | A1win | the cube bounding box wasn't weird, I just had so weird bugs that it made it seem weird ;D |
| 13:20.41 | JademusSreg | Of course. It's always something weird. =D |
| 13:20.58 | A1win | anyway now I have 1+4*2*2 units which I can use to keep track of mouse world position on ~1 tile precision, with a bit of a delay between each precision steps |
| 13:21.29 | A1win | still need to make it hide the bigger unit under the smaller ones so that their z scale can be the same |
| 13:22.44 | A1win | and it easily scales to any rectangular region and can easily change the precision with additional units for each step |
| 13:24.57 | Ahli | chttp://www.brandsworld.com.my/image.aspx?id=1838 essence |
| 13:25.00 | Ahli | http://www.brandsworld.com.my/image.aspx?id=1838 |
| 13:25.28 | Ahli | you only understand it when you played hots campaign |
| 13:25.42 | Ahli | else: giggle at chicken essence |
| 13:27.23 | JademusSreg | I'm annoyed by the MIA state of PlayerOptionOverride from natives.galaxy. |
| 13:27.40 | JademusSreg | It exists, but I have yet to discern where it is defined. |
| 13:28.43 | Ahli | MIA? |
| 13:29.40 | JademusSreg | It is a native, but is missing from the standard library of galaxy files. I've extracted everything, and I have yet to find it. |
| 13:41.30 | JademusSreg | Hmm. |
| 13:49.27 | A1win | wooo it works |
| 13:50.21 | A1win | err, and now it doesn't |
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| 13:56.27 | A1win | still some issues near edges :< |
| 14:14.00 | Kubi | A1Win you fucking hipster. |
| 14:14.10 | A1win | might be that the highlight detection is just not precise enough for this |
| 14:14.44 | Kubi | Coffee makes me more sober, because I am still fucking drunk |
| 14:15.21 | A1win | I guess I'll just use a big grid of units then :E |
| 14:15.31 | Kubi | That's right |
| 14:15.34 | Kubi | you fucking hipster |
| 14:16.19 | A1win | 22*36 is 792 >_> can't make it detect at 1 tile precision |
| 14:20.29 | Kubi | A1WIn IS A UPTOWN GIRL |
| 14:20.39 | Kubi | SHE HAS BEEN LIVING IN HIS RIGHT WING WORLD |
| 14:20.45 | Kubi | NOW SHES LOOKING FOR A DOWNTOWN MAN |
| 14:22.40 | Kubi | JademusSreg |
| 14:22.43 | Kubi | How's that MUI Hero Panel |
| 14:22.47 | Kubi | Oh wait |
| 14:22.49 | Kubi | you fucking faggoty |
| 14:34.03 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 14:34.13 | JademusSreg | Fascinating. |
| 14:34.31 | JademusSreg | PlayerOptionOverride(EventPlayer(), "controlgroupmode", "2"); |
| 14:34.50 | JademusSreg | While I can't find this native anywhere, I did find a list of its arguments. |
| 14:35.58 | A1win | was there a way to detect screen resolution |
| 14:36.58 | JademusSreg | The second argument appears to be the varlist from the console command. Which means this is a way of setting gameplay variables de-fucking-rectly. |
| 14:37.02 | A1win | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/trigger-libraries/17101-library-get-resolution/ |
| 14:37.18 | evily | anyone know what can enable two abilities to be auto-cast simultanouesly? i need a structure to both Nano-repair and Heal any units eligible |
| 14:37.46 | evily | atm. it switches very fast between nano repair or heal |
| 14:38.32 | A1win | weird library |
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| 14:38.58 | Bounty | :) |
| 14:40.09 | JademusSreg | Hey, A1. |
| 14:40.10 | A1win | maybe I should just make movement require a click |
| 14:40.26 | A1win | instead of working with holding mouse |
| 14:40.29 | JademusSreg | I'd like you to test something for me. |
| 14:40.53 | A1win | or make the creature run straight forward until the player clicks again =p |
| 14:40.55 | A1win | yeah? |
| 14:42.26 | evily | has anyone ever made a unit with two abilities, that it was succesufully able to cast at once? i think i got problems with a unit, relating to the autocast. The channeled spells, which are heals, will only go one at the time, its one or the other, but its two seperate abilities, and i would like them to just find their targets and continue healing regardless |
| 14:42.28 | JademusSreg | Yeah, if you would, make an action with some custom script; I'd like you to paste in there. |
| 14:43.10 | A1win | the script or the GUI display? |
| 14:43.28 | G0A | Omfg Cyprus |
| 14:43.50 | A1win | and should I use the Custom Script action or some other with just custom script in a value? |
| 14:44.05 | JademusSreg | Other one should suffice, really. =D |
| 14:44.13 | Bounty | How does teh loading screen JAdemusSreg |
| 14:44.16 | Bounty | CAn't wait to see it :) |
| 14:44.45 | Zolden | guys, why kerrigan started to punch zeratul so agressively, why she don't like him? |
| 14:44.55 | JademusSreg | Nearly finished. Spent a few hours working on the cute little icons. |
| 14:45.06 | Bounty | cute icons? |
| 14:45.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 14:45.27 | JademusSreg | I assume you're in player slot 1, A1? |
| 14:45.43 | A1win | mmf? |
| 14:46.05 | JademusSreg | Want to make sure you see the effects, if any. |
| 14:46.49 | A1win | you're confusing me with someone else? ;p |
| 14:47.00 | Bounty | You know who you remind me of JademusSreg |
| 14:47.04 | Bounty | Eddie Riggs |
| 14:47.27 | A1win | JademusSreg, anyway, what do you want me to paste of the action/custom script thing=? |
| 14:47.27 | Bounty | "A good roadie stays out of the spotlight, because he knows his job is to make someone else look good" |
| 14:47.38 | JademusSreg | Naw, if it works, I look forward to an amusing surprise expression. |
| 14:48.01 | JademusSreg | So, are you in player slot 1? =D |
| 14:48.12 | A1win | where? D: |
| 14:48.25 | JademusSreg | Have you got the editor open? |
| 14:48.29 | A1win | yeah |
| 14:49.44 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/1BTgTwvP |
| 14:49.47 | Bounty | What would you feel is the maximum time a cinematic trailer should last |
| 14:49.48 | evily | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/50078-auto-cast-wtf/ |
| 14:50.50 | JademusSreg | Not too long. It should probably scale logarithmically to its anticipation. |
| 14:51.09 | evily | what do you mean? i dont think there should be something like that on a map that is going to be played over and over again |
| 14:51.41 | A1win | 00:00:00.00 Scri: Cannot override option [width] because it either cannot be overridden or it could not be found. |
| 14:51.44 | A1win | 00:00:00.00 Scri: Cannot override option [height] because it either cannot be overridden or it could not be found. |
| 14:51.47 | A1win | 00:00:00.00 Scri: Cannot override option [windowwidth] because it either cannot be overridden or it could not be found. |
| 14:51.50 | A1win | 00:00:00.00 Scri: Cannot override option [windowheight ] because it either cannot be overridden or it could not be found. |
| 14:51.53 | evily | flood! |
| 14:51.56 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 14:52.25 | JademusSreg | So they did secure it. Hm. |
| 14:52.42 | JademusSreg | Guess I'll test to see which options can be overriden. |
| 14:53.26 | A1win | I would assume the ones that are listed in the GUI |
| 14:53.38 | JademusSreg | Probably, but that would be boring. |
| 14:55.13 | A1win | bah, maybe I should make the monster run on its own and the player needs to struggle to be able to even slightly affect where it moves >_> |
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| 15:05.42 | JademusSreg | Damn. Yep, exactly correct. |
| 15:06.42 | JademusSreg | Only the 17 vars in the trigger dropdown are permitted. |
| 15:06.45 | sharf | ok |
| 15:06.52 | sharf | I have a quick question |
| 15:06.54 | sharf | hopefully |
| 15:06.56 | G0A | Zolden hope you arent hiding your drug money in Cyprus:) |
| 15:07.06 | sharf | if a unit does a fraction of damage ie 10.1 damage |
| 15:07.11 | sharf | does it round up? |
| 15:07.19 | Zolden | G0A: what's wrong with cyprus? |
| 15:07.24 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 15:07.27 | A1win | sharf, nope |
| 15:07.29 | Ownage | no |
| 15:07.34 | sharf | then wtf |
| 15:07.51 | Ownage | I made a skill that did .01 damage and .1 period and it was really really slow |
| 15:07.54 | Ownage | not 1 per second |
| 15:07.55 | A1win | or I don't think it does |
| 15:08.06 | A1win | minimum damage is 0.5 by default |
| 15:08.19 | twodie | I say fuck these Hotkeys bugs |
| 15:08.20 | A1win | so anything less than that isn't done at all, I'd assume |
| 15:08.28 | sharf | well |
| 15:08.30 | Ownage | looked like it was working for me |
| 15:08.38 | sharf | for some reason my guy is doing 1 more damage then the text tag is showing |
| 15:08.53 | G0A | Zolden "Bank holiday" |
| 15:09.33 | A1win | sharf, make the text tag display it with more precision |
| 15:09.55 | sharf | it is an integer |
| 15:09.58 | sharf | lol |
| 15:10.14 | Ownage | well that would be why |
| 15:10.16 | A1win | can't you make it real? ;p |
| 15:10.23 | sharf | I didn't want it to be real |
| 15:10.29 | sharf | so, does damage get rounded up? |
| 15:10.32 | A1win | for testing <.< |
| 15:10.48 | sharf | that doesn't change the fact that the unit is doing 1 damage more than it should |
| 15:10.50 | A1win | or use debug message to print more precise damage value |
| 15:10.51 | G0A | Zolden for more: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-16/europe-does-it-again-cyprus-depositor-haircut-bailout-turns-saver-panic-bank-runs-br |
| 15:10.59 | A1win | I don't think it gets rounded up, but it still does that damage |
| 15:11.04 | A1win | i.e. it doesn't get rounded at all |
| 15:11.09 | sharf | so it does 1.5 |
| 15:11.13 | sharf | but |
| 15:11.17 | sharf | the unit's health |
| 15:11.20 | sharf | wont show the fraction? |
| 15:11.25 | A1win | yeah |
| 15:11.31 | sharf | ugh that is such a pain |
| 15:13.06 | A1win | WoW uses some weird method of rounding damage, like if a spell does 1.5 damage, it does 1 every other time and 2 every other |
| 15:13.25 | Zolden | G0A: ha, suckers! who would put a penny into the agonizing south europe bank system |
| 15:14.24 | Zolden | europe need 10 more years to aquire an appropriate union control |
| 15:14.36 | sharf | omfg |
| 15:14.41 | sharf | wtf happened there... |
| 15:14.42 | Zolden | hope it won't get disassembled again |
| 15:15.13 | sharf | damage calculation is terrible in this... |
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| 15:16.03 | sharf | th units life should be at 9950.5 but it's at 9948... |
| 15:17.08 | G0A | Zolden EU is dead... the whole move supported by ECB. Its fucking shame that my country is part of this criminal organization. (hope not for long) |
| 15:18.45 | Zolden | I feel like EU is a good thing, it just need to evolve to meet unexpected finanical treats, and also should stimulate south countries population to work instead of chilling and eating oranges |
| 15:19.17 | G0A | EU is a good thing? Rofl. EU is no better than USSR... |
| 15:20.13 | G0A | EU is killing south countries, they should have never introduced Euro currency in those countries... but Germany wanted bigger market... |
| 15:20.19 | Zolden | uniting is the global trend, tribes -> kingdoms -> countries -> empires -> multicounty unions, it's jsut how the humanity grow |
| 15:20.53 | G0A | it will change |
| 15:20.57 | Zolden | G0A: they feeling bad because they were'nt effective, they were too relaxed |
| 15:21.02 | G0A | USSR failed in that. |
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| 15:21.36 | Zolden | well, yea, all empires collapsse |
| 15:21.50 | G0A | yes |
| 15:22.01 | G0A | you cant central plan things |
| 15:22.05 | Zolden | only alien attack may unit the countries |
| 15:22.14 | G0A | EU will never know whats needed in Greece... |
| 15:22.47 | Zolden | centralized control is bad, but decentralized control within a system can work more effective then if it's alot of non-united systems |
| 15:22.52 | G0A | unite to what? I dont want financial and central planning union... |
| 15:23.18 | G0A | we have NATO for military union, I dont think we need more than that. |
| 15:23.28 | G0A | or UN... |
| 15:23.28 | Zolden | Leruster said that poland benefits alot from EU, new infrastructure, new buisnesses, new markets, it really stimulates |
| 15:24.23 | G0A | no Euro Currency in Poland and actually Poland was doing pretty well before even that. |
| 15:24.27 | Zolden | well, actually there is nothing to worry about, social self-organization always tends to be in an optimal state, so if EU can't be effective, it will collapse back to a bunch of countries |
| 15:25.09 | G0A | yeah that will happen |
| 15:25.19 | G0A | with a nice cleansing hyperinflation |
| 15:25.30 | Zolden | lol |
| 15:25.55 | G0A | thats the only way... |
| 15:26.00 | Zolden | i hope it won't and smart economists will crete new methods control eu stuff |
| 15:26.38 | Zolden | maybe something AI-related |
| 15:26.44 | Zolden | in the future |
| 15:27.05 | G0A | yeah and they will divide with 0 and we are all doomed.D |
| 15:29.09 | Zolden | computers need "infinity" falg to handle division by zero |
| 15:29.40 | G0A | But no worry, Russia actually hoarding gold.D |
| 15:29.40 | Zolden | but actually AI will operate on a higher level of organization where negative feedback cuts the extremities |
| 15:29.57 | Zolden | russia is fucked you can't believe how badly |
| 15:30.34 | G0A | people are fucked, but still Russia has the most land and natural resources per citizen... |
| 15:30.34 | Zolden | it lost everything good ussr had, but kept alot of bad stuff from ussr |
| 15:31.04 | G0A | what good ussr had at all? |
| 15:31.25 | Zolden | good education and science and culture and cult of intelligence |
| 15:31.52 | Zolden | also, no religion except communism which is materialistic |
| 15:32.08 | G0A | ok, I have to agree that 2 was good:D |
| 15:32.50 | G0A | still Russia is secular and its education system is most likely better than in USA:D |
| 15:33.55 | Bounty | We have to buy HoTS to use the new ragdoll physics? |
| 15:34.22 | Zolden | it's getting worse every day, good disciplines get removed from schools, and now they added some "religious culture" discipline, and fat stupid priests are everywhere speaking their bullshit on tv |
| 15:34.59 | G0A | Lol |
| 15:35.07 | Zolden | also, corruption here is unbelievable, african contries just suck on corruption if we compare to russia :) |
| 15:35.08 | G0A | Similar shitness happening here too... |
| 15:35.47 | Zolden | judicial system is fucked too, just doesn't work at all |
| 15:36.21 | Zolden | political system is a soft despotism, opposition is fucked |
| 15:36.32 | Zolden | so, forget about russia |
| 15:36.39 | G0A | From next year you will have to choose if your children learns religion or morality in the school. While they reduce science lessons time in almost every year... |
| 15:36.52 | Zolden | europe should survive or the whole continent will be turned into anarchy |
| 15:37.02 | Bounty | I swear whenever you people get into these pointless discussions its like talking to a wall |
| 15:37.38 | G0A | I see nothing pointless in it |
| 15:37.54 | G0A | I learn more about Russia:D |
| 15:38.05 | Bounty | Go to the Everything Russia IRC |
| 15:38.07 | Bounty | >.< |
| 15:38.10 | Zolden | Bounty: oh tell me about, i hate those too, but it's so sad we live in this middleage nonsense |
| 15:38.35 | Bounty | Yeah but your better off just ignoring it and getting on with your life lol |
| 15:38.38 | Zolden | G0A: realy? even you have the religion attack? it's sad |
| 15:38.58 | G0A | Zolden it comes with right wing parties.) |
| 15:39.09 | Kubi | Why don't I have fixed players. |
| 15:39.10 | Kubi | :/ |
| 15:39.41 | Zolden | G0A: does election work at least? in russia putin shamelessly cheats on every election, so no hope to change anything |
| 15:40.20 | A1win | JademusSreg, I got a new hacky idea for detecting the mouse position when rotating :O normal mouse moved event to keep track of it otherwise, and whenever mouse position is updated, move 6 sphere units *around* that point, so that whenever the world position moves itself away from below the cursor, the units get highlighted by it, and the mouse position can be updated to the one that got hit |
| 15:40.21 | G0A | Its funny, actually I heard a priest saying on tv that the state has nothing to do with religion and they should keep it that way in education too. But central planners want their nonsense... |
| 15:41.22 | A1win | though it might be a bit buggy if the units are spawned on uneven terrain... |
| 15:41.32 | G0A | Zolden yeah we have cheatless election. |
| 15:41.54 | Zolden | G0A: some priests, like 1 of 1000 say clever things indeed |
| 15:42.46 | Zolden | also, russian goverment dream of controlling internet, working hard on it |
| 15:42.56 | G0A | yeah I heard that |
| 15:43.02 | G0A | China has it... |
| 15:43.13 | A1win | and what if the camera rotates/zooms too fast to escape from between the dummy units.. <.< |
| 15:43.39 | Zolden | G0A: china doing good, but one day it may crack badly causing a global crysis ;/ |
| 15:44.01 | Zolden | but hope chinese work it out, they are good fellas |
| 15:44.21 | G0A | Zolden well I love their central planning fails |
| 15:44.32 | G0A | nothing better to have ghost cities |
| 15:44.51 | Zolden | central planning is always fails, it only good to win wars |
| 15:45.04 | G0A | But they will crack like shit, when their export collapse... |
| 15:45.51 | Zolden | G0A: they always have a huge social tense, because smart youung educated rich chinese hate the hard push from the goverment and ready to fight for more freedom |
| 15:46.01 | Zolden | always -> also |
| 15:46.26 | G0A | yeah |
| 15:47.10 | G0A | it only needs 1 spark... |
| 15:47.20 | G0A | and it will come from economy. |
| 15:47.41 | JademusSreg | (Haha. (Still afk.)) |
| 15:47.47 | A1win | on another thought, I'm not even sure if it matters that the creature would sometimes run to a slightly wrong direction until the player moves the mouse or until the mouse hits any unit in the game, and there should be quite a lot of units... |
| 15:48.05 | Zolden | and still I think that EU-like collaboration is good, nature always unites, we, humans, made of billions of cells, and we have successfully developed a perfect combination of centralized and decentralized control, so EU can do one day too |
| 15:51.33 | G0A | Meanwhile we have evolution which quite decentralized:) |
| 15:52.21 | G0A | You dont live in EU, just watch one EU parliament meeting and you will know it sucks:D |
| 15:54.44 | Zolden | G0A: the more complex species are, the more centralized control mechanisms they include |
| 15:55.21 | G0A | group evolution is a tricky thing |
| 15:56.11 | G0A | even after billions of year the groups arent bigger than 100. (thought that might be because of resources...) |
| 15:56.37 | G0A | or were you thinking about brain? |
| 15:56.49 | Zolden | yea, evolution creates centralized control to get an advantage in interspecies competition |
| 15:57.24 | Zolden | brains create centralized control within one oragnism, social rules and behaviors create some centralization within packs of animals |
| 15:58.11 | Zolden | the more complex human societies, the more control it requires, and people invent new forms of centralized and decentralised control to maintain larger amounts of a united tribe |
| 15:59.38 | Zolden | so, EU is a challenge, can or can not people invent another effective control system. Rome failed, but the control systems it created were useful for other smaller europe countries. Now they are trying to control EU like it's a country, and this doesn't work, so they can invnt something better |
| 16:00.13 | Zolden | and I hope they will, it would be a progress |
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| 16:02.26 | G0A | What they are trying to do it just making things worse... |
| 16:05.31 | G0A | But maybe one day competent people will be sent to Brussels. |
| 16:07.05 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 16:07.49 | JademusSreg | So testing of the undocumented native was a bust. =D |
| 16:09.01 | JademusSreg | And don't worry, Kubi, this is part of my work on the MUI hero display. |
| 16:09.10 | Kubi | What you fat fuck |
| 16:09.17 | Kubi | ok |
| 16:09.17 | Kubi | ;P |
| 16:09.22 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 16:09.24 | Kubi | I completely forgot |
| 16:09.25 | Kubi | that |
| 16:09.29 | Kubi | Lobby players 1-12 |
| 16:09.30 | Kubi | are not |
| 16:09.34 | Kubi | fixed |
| 16:09.35 | Kubi | :/ |
| 16:09.38 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 16:09.40 | Kubi | So now I have to trigger |
| 16:09.46 | Kubi | A system to handle players in lobby teams |
| 16:09.48 | Kubi | Aughgh |
| 16:09.56 | JademusSreg | It's not difficult, I can assure you. |
| 16:10.11 | JademusSreg | Basically, Players on Team returns the playergroup you want. |
| 16:10.14 | Kubi | Yep |
| 16:10.17 | Kubi | I know |
| 16:10.30 | Kubi | Make a playergroup variable global = Teams |
| 16:10.43 | Kubi | Stick each player in the approriate team |
| 16:10.48 | Kubi | Ally each other |
| 16:10.50 | Kubi | and spawn buildings |
| 16:10.50 | JademusSreg | Just checking. Can't tell you how many times I've seen people iterate through the group to add the players to playergroups. =\ |
| 16:10.53 | Kubi | enable defeat trigger |
| 16:11.04 | Kubi | I'm not new to triggering |
| 16:11.04 | Kubi | :p |
| 16:11.28 | Kubi | I wonder what the action is |
| 16:11.32 | Kubi | condition |
| 16:11.36 | Kubi | for lobby groups |
| 16:12.49 | Kubi | Yeah I completely forgot that players(x) are based on when they entered the lobby and not fixed to what their position is in lobby teams |
| 16:13.13 | A1win | there's a player's on team function |
| 16:13.17 | A1win | player group type |
| 16:13.50 | Kubi | Yeah I really want to get drunk but my gf wants to hang out |
| 16:13.58 | Kubi | aughh relationship problems |
| 16:17.51 | Bounty | dis guy |
| 16:19.12 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 16:21.26 | Kubi | Lol |
| 16:21.39 | Kubi | Appearntly there is a SimCity hack that allows you to fuck other peoples cities up |
| 16:21.40 | Kubi | GG EA |
| 16:22.01 | Kubi | So worried about pirates on a always online DRM that you completely ruined the game |
| 16:29.32 | G0A | :) |
| 16:30.31 | Kubi | No worries I give it a couple more weeks before a crack is out |
| 16:31.21 | twodie | Zolden hre? |
| 16:31.29 | Kubi | Sad to see a decent game go in the shitters, you're suppose to expand the features of the franchise instead of devastating them |
| 16:31.30 | Zolden | нуф |
| 16:31.32 | Zolden | yea |
| 16:31.36 | Kubi | COMMUNIST |
| 16:31.41 | Kubi | ITS LENIN |
| 16:31.42 | Kubi | GET HIm |
| 16:31.58 | twodie | what tool in 3ds max to calculate the vertex and stuff? |
| 16:32.06 | Zolden | что с вами, товарищ! |
| 16:32.14 | Zolden | успокойтесь, пока вас не успокоили! |
| 16:32.33 | Zolden | twodie: press 7 |
| 16:33.10 | twodie | Zolden problem is that its most like uses and those mesh that are for fuzzy and tight hittests |
| 16:33.27 | Zolden | hide them |
| 16:33.43 | Zolden | select, rightclick, hide selection |
| 16:34.02 | twodie | hmm |
| 16:34.09 | twodie | numbers doesnt change |
| 16:34.21 | twodie | deleting them |
| 16:34.22 | twodie | changed |
| 16:34.24 | twodie | changes |
| 16:34.35 | Zolden | then delete :) |
| 16:34.51 | twodie | im scared that it will mess up model :S |
| 16:35.01 | Zolden | save before |
| 16:35.11 | twodie | yeah |
| 16:35.24 | Zolden | but i think max is an old and pretty unbugged progremm, so ctrl+z should work |
| 16:35.24 | twodie | anyway 6k verticals |
| 16:35.37 | Zolden | 6k is fine if it's not a mass unit |
| 16:35.52 | Zolden | actually triangles count |
| 16:36.49 | Kubi | THE RED SCARE |
| 16:36.51 | Kubi | OH GOD |
| 16:36.52 | Kubi | RUSSIA |
| 16:37.28 | Zolden | что с вами, товарищ, не выспались* так идите домой! |
| 16:37.41 | Zolden | пока вас не отвели |
| 16:47.50 | twodie | .. |
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| 16:53.44 | Blub\w | OH GAWD lurker or impaler? |
| 16:54.57 | G0A | APM is valued per game time or real time? |
| 16:55.41 | Kubi | I did lurker |
| 16:55.45 | Kubi | but Impaler might be better |
| 16:55.56 | Kubi | I figured line AOE would be better |
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| 16:55.59 | Kubi | but I didnt use lurkers |
| 16:56.14 | Kubi | Impaler is like a moveable spinecrawler |
| 16:57.55 | A1win | doesn't really matter what you pick |
| 16:58.08 | A1win | too easy :[ |
| 16:59.52 | Blub\w | there are some missions where I expected tougher achievements |
| 17:00.04 | Blub\w | like in that Supreme mission, I unknowingly got all 3 doing it on brutal... |
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| 17:00.15 | Blub\w | my expectation was something like, don't lose a unit to one of the bosses |
| 17:00.17 | Zandose | hi |
| 17:00.18 | Blub\w | or something |
| 17:00.19 | Blub\w | on some certain difficulty |
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| 17:06.00 | twodie | yes most of us know that hots campaign EZZZZZZZZz |
| 17:06.25 | twodie | WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf |
| 17:06.34 | twodie | CHANGED THE HOTKEYS |
| 17:06.41 | twodie | NOT USING THOSE Q OR W |
| 17:06.53 | twodie | STILL CANT USE THOSE BUTTONS HOTKEYS!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:06.58 | twodie | BULLLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:08.30 | Monkalizer | umad? |
| 17:08.57 | Monkalizer | seems like your caps-lock button is broken too :P |
| 17:09.03 | twodie | YOU FUCKING KID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ING ME?!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:09.30 | twodie | FUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCK |
| 17:09.39 | twodie | ITS NOT EVEN PROBLEM OF THE HOTKEYS!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:09.41 | twodie | BULLSHIT |
| 17:09.43 | twodie | CRAP |
| 17:09.46 | twodie | PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
| 17:14.07 | G0A | :) |
| 17:15.15 | twodie | RETARDED ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL |
| 17:15.18 | twodie | THE WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY |
| 17:16.38 | Zandose | is anyone really good at triggers, angles. and rotating units? I've been trying on and off for a month to get this to work right and its still not working correctly. |
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| 17:17.57 | twodie | lol |
| 17:17.58 | twodie | noob :D |
| 17:18.02 | twodie | jk |
| 17:18.23 | twodie | pastebin.com |
| 17:18.27 | twodie | use this site |
| 17:18.37 | twodie | to paste your code that you strugling now |
| 17:18.38 | Zandose | http://www.sc2mapster.com/paste/7342/ |
| 17:19.03 | twodie | in few mintues will check if noone will. |
| 17:19.10 | Zandose | is that ok or would you perfer that site? |
| 17:19.15 | twodie | NEED TO DO PISS WITH THESE BUTTONS SHIT |
| 17:19.21 | twodie | fine |
| 17:19.32 | Monkalizer | what are you trying to achieve |
| 17:19.41 | Monkalizer | with the cameras |
| 17:21.03 | Zandose | hmm, I tried editing the post to include another function but nothing showed up |
| 17:21.20 | Zandose | Just rotating the unit/actor to the cameras pitch and yaw |
| 17:21.36 | G0A | so does apm track real or game time? |
| 17:21.44 | Monkalizer | basically you want to move a unit with the help of a camera? |
| 17:22.49 | Zandose | no. movement is handled by another trigger and is fine. |
| 17:23.11 | Zandose | its the actual rotating of my actor which doesnt work correctly |
| 17:23.42 | twodie | WTF WASSSSSS THAT?!!?!?! |
| 17:23.52 | twodie | Created new buttons and now it works fine.................... |
| 17:23.55 | twodie | THE FUCKC! |
| 17:23.55 | twodie | ! |
| 17:23.57 | Zandose | seems to be somekind of mess of rolling and not rotating via the shortest turn |
| 17:24.43 | Monkalizer | how come a unit has a yaw and pitch? is it the units "look at" point= |
| 17:25.28 | Zandose | updated the paste http://www.sc2mapster.com/paste/7343/ |
| 17:25.41 | Zandose | yes i believe so |
| 17:25.41 | Zolden | twodie: it's just capslocked complaints helped, they always help |
| 17:25.53 | Zandose | camera yaw = units facing angle |
| 17:26.10 | Zandose | camera pitch + 90 = units pitch angle |
| 17:26.20 | twodie | Zolden no its just random range for why the fuck it doenst use hotkeys randomly |
| 17:26.33 | twodie | Zolden where is my models!? |
| 17:27.02 | Zolden | don't worry, one day I will finish them |
| 17:27.28 | Monkalizer | I would grab the cameras view angle and then make the unit look at that that point |
| 17:27.35 | Monkalizer | rather then turning the actor |
| 17:27.44 | Monkalizer | there is a built in "look at" function |
| 17:28.07 | twodie | Zolden :/ so what is the current situation? |
| 17:28.54 | Monkalizer | I dont know how to use it if you write your own script |
| 17:29.00 | Zandose | if i understand that function correct it forces the camera to "look at" a target. Thats not what I want. I want the unit to rotate to whatever angle the camera is looking at |
| 17:29.31 | Zandose | would it help if i uploaded the map itself somewhere? its a spaceship in space map |
| 17:29.39 | Monkalizer | there is a camera look at and a unit look at |
| 17:29.47 | Monkalizer | use the unit look at |
| 17:29.55 | Zolden | twodie: i only have 2 left, and they are simple and can be done for 2 hours, but i'm so sick of doing anything model related, so, just not doingthem |
| 17:30.35 | twodie | Zolden okay |
| 17:30.40 | Zandose | make camera look at and follow unit? |
| 17:30.54 | Monkalizer | its called makeUnitFacePoint |
| 17:31.22 | Zolden | ctrl + shift + f makes camera follow a unit |
| 17:32.29 | Monkalizer | or perhaps unitFaceAngle |
| 17:32.30 | Zandose | i believe that function only works for a units yaw not its pitch |
| 17:32.55 | A1win | units don't have pitch |
| 17:33.06 | A1win | I think D: |
| 17:33.13 | Zandose | i already know and understand how to make units turn with the camera for something like a 3rd person rpg map |
| 17:33.32 | Zandose | normally they don't but its possible with some work arounds |
| 17:34.30 | Monkalizer | Then I dont know. |
| 17:34.48 | Zandose | yah, its a difficult thing to figure out |
| 17:35.06 | Zandose | probably some advanced stuff for the editor |
| 17:36.08 | Monkalizer | what about the actorLookAtStart and -Stop functions? |
| 17:37.26 | Monkalizer | they seem to need a target actor, so in that case you would have to create a dummy actor that follows the cameras look at position using offsets and angle calculations |
| 17:38.12 | Zandose | ill do some testing |
| 17:38.19 | Monkalizer | kk |
| 17:38.59 | Zandose | are these new functions from the last update? |
| 17:39.24 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 17:39.57 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/SfkARaFw |
| 17:40.24 | JademusSreg | Those are the recent additions to natives and significant constants. |
| 17:41.31 | Zandose | then i guess their old ones |
| 17:41.43 | JademusSreg | Which reminds me, pastebin.com has degenerated to using splash ads, some with audio. Need a new pastebin service. |
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| 17:51.51 | roltris | i am trying to have an event for when a certain type of unit dies, but i can't find a condition for it. is there a way to do something like (triggering unit) == zealot |
| 17:52.02 | Zandose | those functions aren't what I need. they are related to making special units do predefined movements of body parts (eyes, head, hands, etc). |
| 17:53.24 | Zandose | unit type = zealot |
| 17:53.43 | Zandose | http://www.sc2mapster.com/paste/7344/ |
| 17:54.03 | roltris | ahhh, thanks Zandose! |
| 17:54.50 | Zandose | you cannot refer to a randomlly genereated unit in a event. only predefined units |
| 17:56.11 | Zandose | or to make that clearer, events can use units you've already put on the map (predefined) but cannot use units made later (from buildings, triggers, etc) because they don't exist yet. |
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| 18:03.02 | Zandose | my god, i've solved it. wtf was the editor telling me pitch was 0-360 when it was -180 to +180! |
| 18:04.16 | Zandose | now i just need the fix the rolling issue |
| 18:08.29 | Zandose | with yaw and pitch angles, can it cause rolling? |
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| 18:10.10 | Zandose | or can you tell me if this rotation triggers math is correct. http://www.sc2mapster.com/paste/7345/ |
| 18:14.08 | Zandose | never mind. i've solved it again |
| 18:23.11 | Kubi | In lobby teams what number does it start with |
| 18:23.12 | Kubi | 0 or 1 |
| 18:24.47 | Bounty | 1 |
| 18:25.00 | Kubi | k thanks |
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| 18:27.30 | Enexy | allo |
| 18:28.03 | Zandose | hi |
| 18:28.59 | Zandose | The camers yaw seems to only upgrade itself when you move it a certain amount, more then 1 yaw. Is there any way to make it update faster or on smaller yaw amounts? |
| 18:32.05 | Enexy | hello |
| 18:32.09 | Enexy | One sec |
| 18:32.28 | Enexy | I'm hving a similar issue with unit facing angles |
| 18:32.46 | Enexy | It used to let you do updates in decimals, both for yaw and facing angles |
| 18:32.50 | Enexy | I'm pretty sure it's a bug |
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| 18:35.40 | Kubi | Wait did they ever fix the lobby teams? |
| 18:35.41 | Batomys | Having trouble with lobby teams in a 4v4 arcade map... the second player to join is starting the game as player 2 (an ally of player 1) even if moved to team 2 in the lobby |
| 18:36.15 | Kubi | lol |
| 18:36.17 | Kubi | Look at that |
| 18:36.19 | Kubi | we're on the same thing |
| 18:36.20 | Kubi | batomy |
| 18:36.40 | Batomys | lol |
| 18:36.46 | Batomys | it is frustrating |
| 18:37.36 | Batomys | My map won't work unless there are a full 8 people because of this, can't do 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 |
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| 18:38.13 | Batomys | I have a lot of pre-placed units and triggers referring to player number, hope I don't have to rework it all because of some lobby team bullshit |
| 18:38.23 | Kubi | you have to make global variables |
| 18:38.27 | Kubi | and assign players/teams to that |
| 18:39.22 | Enexy | more bugs than ever showed up in these recent patches... |
| 18:44.34 | Zandose | well time to relax by playing more sc2 |
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| 18:50.56 | Half-full | Hello |
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| 19:03.24 | Kubi | In theory, do you think this will work? http://pastebin.com/YEEM8ReL |
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| 19:05.30 | iMisu | lol taz |
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| 19:07.46 | iTaz | larky! |
| 19:10.40 | iTaz | ^1 . |
| 19:10.54 | iTaz | <$1> 3 |
| 19:10.59 | iTaz | hmmmm |
| 19:12.00 | iTaz | CPU:intel(r) core(tm) i7-3770k @ 3.50ghz Memory:8148MB In-use:21% Display:1920X1080 Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Edition, 64-bit Service Pack 1 (build 7601) Uptime:00:01:27:48 client:ThrashIRC |
| 19:12.12 | iTaz | ops |
| 19:12.43 | iTaz | http://www.thrashirc.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1344 |
| 19:13.04 | iTaz | shit is random i tell you rannndom |
| 19:14.55 | Half-full | When I assign attack speeds for a unit in the galaxy editor are those values scaled for fastest or are those the fastest values? |
| 19:15.30 | Enexy | scaled for fast |
| 19:15.33 | Enexy | normal* rather |
| 19:15.41 | Enexy | normal is real time speed |
| 19:16.02 | Enexy | so if you set attack speed to 1, and game speed is Normal. He will hit every 1 second |
| 19:16.11 | Enexy | On fastest, I believe he'll hit every .6s |
| 19:16.33 | Half-full | Oh, I need to do a conversion to make sure the speeds are correct, alright |
| 19:16.45 | Enexy | I'm not sure how much "faster" and "Fastest" is relative to normal |
| 19:16.49 | Enexy | I guessed at 40% lol |
| 19:17.30 | A1win | print out game speed factor with a debug message |
| 19:19.44 | Half-full | What's the command to make a @lineprint(); in galaxy editor? |
| 19:19.52 | Half-full | Hell, where's the terminal? |
| 19:20.03 | Enexy | lol |
| 19:20.04 | Half-full | I didn't even know I could do that |
| 19:21.16 | Half-full | Hello? |
| 19:21.51 | Half-full | Alwin |
| 19:21.56 | A1win | ? |
| 19:21.56 | Half-full | What are you talking about? |
| 19:22.11 | A1win | in-game debug message |
| 19:22.39 | Half-full | How would I go about making this appear? |
| 19:22.52 | A1win | using the Debug Message action |
| 19:23.12 | Half-full | Where's that? |
| 19:23.17 | A1win | use search |
| 19:25.12 | Half-full | Not to be rude, but telling me to do something and then refusing to explain how to do said something is VERY unhelpful |
| 19:25.25 | A1win | O_o |
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| 19:25.52 | A1win | I don't know what level of understanding you have of the editor |
| 19:26.26 | A1win | by "action" I refer to a trigger action, and they are all in one place, where you can use search to find it easily |
| 19:26.41 | Half-full | Oh, you mean search in the trigger window |
| 19:26.47 | Half-full | That's much more specific |
| 19:26.49 | Half-full | Thank you |
| 19:27.00 | A1win | "action" is specific |
| 19:27.13 | A1win | there's only one thing called that in the editor |
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| 19:29.55 | Kubi | faggots |
| 19:31.08 | A1win | if you want stuff to happen in real time seconds, why not just set game speed to Normal? |
| 19:39.51 | Half-full | I don't, I'm trying to emulate some stuff in BW |
| 19:40.10 | Half-full | by some stuff I mean everything |
| 19:40.30 | Half-full | so attack speed is something pretty important |
| 19:40.47 | Half-full | Thanks for your help by the way |
| 19:42.21 | Half-full | I'm sorry if I came off as rude. |
| 19:45.46 | A1win | nps |
| 19:49.50 | Enexy | I'm sorry too, A1win |
| 19:52.20 | Ahli | yay, bomber nuked himself |
| 19:52.48 | Zandose | note, if you set the game speed higher attack speed will be higher but also is everything else like life regeneration, unit movement speed, etc. |
| 19:54.31 | Half-full | Oh, well that's a given, but thanks anyways. |
| 19:55.19 | Zandose | k. just wasnt sure what you were talking about |
| 19:55.28 | Half-full | Is there any variable for model scale? Data doesn't seem to yield any variable I can edit for this. |
| 19:55.41 | Half-full | I mean, I can edit collision radius and such, but there's nothing for unit model scale |
| 19:55.50 | A1win | it's in the model, not the unit |
| 19:56.01 | A1win | and actor also has scale |
| 19:57.39 | Half-full | What happens if I edit actor and not jus the model? |
| 19:57.43 | Half-full | just* |
| 19:58.06 | A1win | they are separate scales, they're multiplied by each other |
| 19:58.11 | Half-full | Oh |
| 19:58.13 | A1win | but actor's scale affects more than just the model |
| 19:58.25 | Half-full | Does it affect the collision radius? |
| 19:58.31 | A1win | no, actor is only for visuals |
| 19:58.43 | A1win | (and audio) |
| 19:59.03 | A1win | i.e. actors don't affect gameplay at all, they just provide information |
| 19:59.58 | A1win | or well they do affect selection |
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| 20:03.28 | isunmonkey | hi everybody |
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| 20:14.05 | duckies | g0a |
| 20:14.09 | duckies | they started without you =[ |
| 20:14.26 | duckies | but don't worry, b-net decided to drop everyone anyway :D |
| 20:14.33 | Zolden | oh crap, campaign fucked kerrigan up ;/ |
| 20:14.41 | Zolden | not a human anymore |
| 20:14.55 | isunmonkey | I have a question maybe you guys can help me? |
| 20:15.04 | duckies | No, we never help anyone! |
| 20:15.08 | isunmonkey | :P |
| 20:15.09 | Zolden | we can herp you |
| 20:15.16 | isunmonkey | Thernks fer ther herp. |
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| 20:15.56 | isunmonkey | Here's the problem: I'm making a Build Order Testing map for HotS.... |
| 20:16.02 | Taintedwisp | hi everyone |
| 20:16.13 | isunmonkey | and for some reason, players are able to make Warhounds and they have to research siege |
| 20:16.20 | Ahli | http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG |
| 20:16.24 | isunmonkey | There's probably other problems too but those stick out |
| 20:16.35 | Taintedwisp | Isunmonkey when did you start this project? |
| 20:16.43 | isunmonkey | four days ago? |
| 20:16.47 | Taintedwisp | hmm alright |
| 20:16.58 | Taintedwisp | It seems you somehow have an unupdated version of the swarm mod |
| 20:17.10 | Taintedwisp | Your on HoTS Official Editor right? not beta |
| 20:17.19 | isunmonkey | Starcraft II editor |
| 20:17.23 | Taintedwisp | kk |
| 20:17.40 | Taintedwisp | Let me start a new map and see if I have the same problem |
| 20:18.18 | isunmonkey | Thanks mang! :) |
| 20:18.48 | Taintedwisp | guessin you black? :P I grew up in the ghetto :P mang is a word used often :) |
| 20:19.10 | isunmonkey | :o I'm very, very white... |
| 20:19.17 | Taintedwisp | :)) |
| 20:19.17 | isunmonkey | Dutch/German/Irish |
| 20:19.49 | Taintedwisp | Okay Its a bug |
| 20:20.10 | isunmonkey | Just a bug with the editor? |
| 20:20.10 | Taintedwisp | I will report it to the forums that the Swarm Mods for melee maps are not updating(unless they are updating when you publish the map) |
| 20:20.18 | Taintedwisp | Try publishing your map in private and test |
| 20:20.20 | Taintedwisp | That MIGHT fix it |
| 20:20.37 | isunmonkey | ok It's already published in public arcade; idk if that matters |
| 20:20.44 | Taintedwisp | ok |
| 20:20.49 | Taintedwisp | then just test it online :P |
| 20:20.56 | Taintedwisp | Sometimes stuff changes online |
| 20:20.57 | Kubi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.08 | Taintedwisp | if not I will report it as a bug |
| 20:21.23 | Kubi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.24 | Kubi | \Would that work? |
| 20:24.24 | Taintedwisp | That would move it to 3 spaces behind position of base for trigging player if thats what your trying to do |
| 20:24.27 | Taintedwisp | so it should work |
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| 20:25.26 | Kubi | no |
| 20:25.29 | Kubi | I was talking about |
| 20:25.32 | Kubi | the variables |
| 20:26.21 | Taintedwisp | oh |
| 20:26.32 | Kubi | This player lobby bullshit blows |
| 20:27.02 | Taintedwisp | last created unit worries me, this is happening AFTER right not before? |
| 20:27.18 | Taintedwisp | and in between each player if there are multiple playhers |
| 20:27.38 | Kubi | no |
| 20:27.43 | Kubi | they're seperate trigs |
| 20:27.47 | Taintedwisp | ah okie |
| 20:28.12 | isunmonkey | @Taintedwisp I can build Warhounds in the tester :( |
| 20:28.19 | Taintedwisp | To my very limited knowledge it looks fine |
| 20:28.28 | Taintedwisp | okie Ill submit a bug report then |
| 20:29.03 | Taintedwisp | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/8197862064#1 |
| 20:29.08 | Taintedwisp | They will get back monday |
| 20:29.37 | isunmonkey | Ok. So you are finding the bug same for you then?? |
| 20:30.08 | Taintedwisp | yup |
| 20:30.26 | Taintedwisp | 2 test == bug I guess, I tried with a melee map. |
| 20:30.37 | Ahli | do you fail to use the multi dependency? |
| 20:30.50 | Taintedwisp | OHHH |
| 20:30.51 | Taintedwisp | that might be it.. |
| 20:30.53 | Taintedwisp | :)) |
| 20:30.55 | Ahli | !!! |
| 20:31.19 | Kubi | http://pastebin.com/ULMZaV26 |
| 20:31.21 | Kubi | Why the fuck |
| 20:31.22 | Kubi | does that not work |
| 20:31.26 | Taintedwisp | Ahli I have never used the multi I thought it just ment The regular Dependency + the campaign |
| 20:31.34 | Taintedwisp | Now that I think about it, its probably the multiplayer. |
| 20:31.34 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 20:31.40 | Taintedwisp | isunmonkey |
| 20:31.57 | isunmonkey | multi dpendency |
| 20:32.01 | isunmonkey | ? |
| 20:32.04 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
| 20:32.17 | isunmonkey | Sorry, what does that mean? :| |
| 20:32.23 | Taintedwisp | I always thought it was Regular + Campaign so never used it, but its most likely the multiplayer |
| 20:32.23 | Ahli | swarm multi instead of swarm dependency |
| 20:32.32 | Ahli | the game uses different archive files |
| 20:32.47 | Taintedwisp | just click File> Dependencies, then add standard, then delete the ones that are there |
| 20:32.51 | Ahli | you used the basic one. But the multiplayer balance is stored in the swarmmulti dependency. |
| 20:32.51 | Taintedwisp | add the multi |
| 20:33.13 | Taintedwisp | you want SWARM multi |
| 20:33.18 | Taintedwisp | not liberty |
| 20:33.23 | Ahli | it's stupid that the game automatically uses swarm only if you create a melee map |
| 20:33.26 | Taintedwisp | sorry :P I feel like a dunce now haha |
| 20:34.09 | Taintedwisp | So yeah isunmonkey Click file at the top , then dependency, Then Click add standard, Click Swarm(multi)(mod), then Delete the other dependencies |
| 20:34.27 | isunmonkey | Ok I'll try that THANKS!@!!! :)) |
| 20:34.37 | Taintedwisp | damn I feel stupid... |
| 20:34.39 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:36.08 | Half-full | Would I be correct in assuming there's no way I can make some sort of trigger or script that only allowes selections of groups up to twelve units in size? |
| 20:36.40 | Taintedwisp | ? Should be possible, I wouldnt really know how though. |
| 20:37.24 | Half-full | Well, in the WoL beta Blizzard said they would add all future and present beta units and abilitys to the galaxy editor for us to play with, that isn't possible because Blizzard's a bunch of kill joys |
| 20:37.29 | Taintedwisp | I know I have seen a few maps Have max selection of 8 |
| 20:38.07 | Taintedwisp | :) |
| 20:38.38 | Taintedwisp | Why do you need to only select 12 units? |
| 20:38.42 | Half-full | What fun I would have with the Soul Seeker, Nomad, Tempest (The Terran fighter), zerg building infestor and other stuff |
| 20:38.55 | Half-full | I'm trying to remake Brood War gameplay in SC2 |
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| 20:39.02 | Half-full | As perfectly as Galaxy allows |
| 20:39.41 | Half-full | I can't remake stuff like Drone Drills and Terran walls being so fickle but I can fix scale and other stuff |
| 20:42.13 | isunmonkey | @Taintedwisp HOORAY IT WORKED!!! |
| 20:42.52 | isunmonkey | Now how to publish globally? |
| 20:46.19 | sharf | anyone know how to make a data mana shield? |
| 20:47.41 | Taintedwisp | NO CLUE |
| 20:47.41 | Taintedwisp | hgahahaha |
| 20:48.08 | Taintedwisp | Whats a mana shield Sharf? |
| 20:48.33 | Taintedwisp | I would imagine an apply buff, that that drains energy based off of the damage the unit takes |
| 20:48.47 | sharf | while it's active, your energy takes the damage instead of hp |
| 20:48.50 | Taintedwisp | Pretty much you want to apply buff to the unit getting the shield, and set the buffs damage response field |
| 20:49.17 | sharf | yeah that method doesn't work |
| 20:51.10 | sharf | that prevents the damage, but doesn't drain the shields |
| 20:53.42 | sharf | ok so I have a trigger related question then...if conditions are not met, but events are, does a trigger still "fire"? |
| 20:54.01 | sharf | like, will have an event everytime a unit takes damage, will that eat up resources? |
| 20:54.10 | A1win | yeah |
| 20:54.24 | sharf | ugh lol |
| 20:54.32 | A1win | it'd be just the same to use an if statement inside the trigger instead of using a condition |
| 20:54.51 | sharf | well... |
| 20:55.12 | sharf | I want a trigger to fire if a unit with a specific ability active is attacked |
| 20:55.16 | sharf | or rather, takes damage |
| 20:55.54 | A1win | damage response behavior ;p |
| 20:56.10 | A1win | creates dummy effect, catch that with triggers |
| 20:56.25 | sharf | ah |
| 20:56.26 | sharf | perfect |
| 20:56.37 | sharf | didn't think of that lol |
| 20:57.34 | sharf | ok another question, different ability |
| 20:57.37 | Vail | shard did you want the enegry to be drained equal to the damage amount ? |
| 20:57.49 | sharf | I want to make sure I make the actual ability work right |
| 20:57.51 | sharf | well |
| 20:58.02 | sharf | I'd like to be able to tweak it's amount, possibly |
| 20:58.02 | Vail | sharf sorry miss clicked... |
| 20:58.10 | sharf | but i could work with equal |
| 20:58.45 | Vail | all you would need to do is a buff that uses a modify unit effect and removes a set amount of enegry |
| 20:59.04 | sharf | right |
| 20:59.07 | sharf | I want like |
| 20:59.29 | sharf | 1.5x the damage dealt to energy |
| 20:59.45 | sharf | I can make the shield work with set values |
| 20:59.48 | sharf | but I want it dynamic |
| 20:59.51 | sharf | I'll just use triggers |
| 21:00.07 | Vail | ah in that case triggers are you best bet i just hope its for only one unit |
| 21:00.34 | sharf | at MOST it would be 6 units |
| 21:00.41 | sharf | and that is highly unlikely |
| 21:01.02 | sharf | next question |
| 21:01.18 | sharf | actually...nevermind |
| 21:02.13 | Vail | by the way may i ask why a mana shield ability when you have shields already in game? |
| 21:02.48 | sharf | because I'm making a game with heroes, one of them is a magic based hero, and I want it to have a mana shield |
| 21:02.55 | sharf | I have gone back and forth between this |
| 21:02.58 | sharf | and a tosh like shield |
| 21:03.06 | sharf | I like this best |
| 21:04.45 | Vail | i created a five level ability for a unit once that was similar but instead of negating Health damage it reduced it at a cost of enegery. |
| 21:07.02 | sharf | yeah |
| 21:07.06 | sharf | was considering that as well |
| 21:30.14 | sharf | ok ok... |
| 21:30.18 | sharf | I have a buff behavior |
| 21:30.22 | sharf | 1 for each level |
| 21:30.23 | sharf | so, 3 |
| 21:30.40 | sharf | or actually....I might not |
| 21:30.49 | sharf | hang on let me check something before I ask a retarded question XD |
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| 21:31.51 | progammer_ | nice seeker play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjEkgCBMJ0Y |
| 21:37.19 | Ahli | you can long range bomb mineral lines with that, too |
| 21:37.30 | twodie | OPPPPPPPPPPPPP |
| 21:39.08 | isunmonkey | Is there a simple way to quickly publish my arcade map globally? |
| 21:39.38 | Ahli | no |
| 21:40.10 | sharf | oh yeah.... |
| 21:40.20 | sharf | I remember that problem.... |
| 21:40.35 | sharf | how do you either add or remove the "Level #" from an ability's name? |
| 21:40.42 | Ahli | well, we can change the server within the editor without restarts now... that's an improvement |
| 21:41.16 | Ahli | can you use triggers to alter the abilities strength? |
| 21:42.07 | sharf | ? |
| 21:42.20 | isunmonkey | How do I publish to EU? |
| 21:42.30 | isunmonkey | I'm so confused :( |
| 21:42.35 | Ahli | my solution would be not using levelable abilities... I never had a requirement for them as I just alter the effect stats with catalog trigger actions |
| 21:42.49 | Ahli | editor -> settings -> battle.net -> chose Europe |
| 21:43.10 | Ahli | if it's not there, get regions.xml http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/47972-global-play-publishing-available/ |
| 21:43.28 | G0A | duckies !!! |
| 21:45.14 | isunmonkey | Ahli, does it matter that I'm on a Mac? |
| 21:45.22 | isunmonkey | isn't .xml a windows file? |
| 21:45.51 | Ahli | xml is a storage format for data in a text file |
| 21:46.07 | Ahli | I don't know if that works with macs :S try it out |
| 21:47.26 | Ahli | I think I asked this before, can we change the color of the minimap that is used for terrain texture? |
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| 21:55.03 | sharf | so...duration on apply behavior, doesn't effect buffs? |
| 21:59.46 | Ahli | sharf, you need to enable that in the apply effect's flag |
| 21:59.49 | Ahli | then it works |
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| 22:11.48 | twodie | hell yeah, my own created icons: http://snag.gy/o7FLj.jpg |
| 22:15.19 | Zolden | дщщл тшсу |
| 22:15.21 | Zolden | look nice |
| 22:15.48 | Zolden | what game is it again? |
| 22:16.41 | Zolden | why didn't you use wow icons? |
| 22:16.45 | twodie | dominations stuff :] europe, medieval times, cities castles as barracks that you cant construct only capture. |
| 22:17.07 | twodie | wanted to try out my own skills in making icons and learn from it |
| 22:17.39 | twodie | the pike was made last. i think it looks best |
| 22:17.51 | Zolden | good, hitler once decided to try his own skills in capturing countries too |
| 22:18.21 | Zolden | he could take capturing countries from wow, but no |
| 22:18.27 | Zolden | and he succeeded |
| 22:18.56 | Zolden | if hitler wouldn't conquer all countries, what world would we live today |
| 22:19.49 | Zolden | wait a minute, i'm not in the universe where hitler conqured everything, he was defeated here, right |
| 22:19.52 | Zolden | yea, different world |
| 22:20.04 | Zolden | multiverse is funny |
| 22:20.44 | Zolden | i could take travelling between parallel universes from wow, but I'm trying my own skills in travelling between parallel universes |
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| 22:22.37 | Eagles | hihi, how do I move this portrait? Not sure what to search for, if anyone knows what the UI element is called :/ http://puu.sh/2iTkB/1b1ee9a19f |
| 22:25.23 | twodie | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/wow-human-buildings/ |
| 22:28.10 | Ahli | hero panel? |
| 22:55.58 | Eagles | Thank you Ahli |
| 23:07.55 | Torhal | gives Zolden a xanax. |
| 23:29.34 | Zolden | what's xanax? |
| 23:30.04 | Zolden | a palindrome? |
| 23:38.53 | Taintedwisp | Brutal in HoTS is a little bit of a challenge but not too much more then hard :)) |
| 23:39.07 | Zolden | hard is easy |
| 23:39.19 | Zolden | spam -> win |
| 23:39.25 | Taintedwisp | Hard is easy on most missions |
| 23:39.27 | Taintedwisp | Cept 2 |
| 23:39.27 | Zolden | nothing else |
| 23:39.38 | Taintedwisp | When you cant use kerrigan it becomes challenging |
| 23:39.48 | Taintedwisp | ON the crucible and phantoms of the void |
| 23:39.52 | Zolden | stop here i don't want spoilers |
| 23:39.54 | Taintedwisp | Other then that its simple |
| 23:40.01 | Taintedwisp | Yeah I didnt give any :P |
| 23:40.03 | Taintedwisp | Just names of levels |
| 23:41.28 | Taintedwisp | zolden imma tell you a spoiler |
| 23:41.33 | Taintedwisp | Kerrigans boobs grow |
| 23:41.39 | Taintedwisp | sorry for ruining it for you |
| 23:41.50 | Zolden | good |
| 23:42.01 | Zolden | i never doubted it |
| 23:42.12 | Taintedwisp | I am going back through the master Archives and beating it on brutal |
| 23:42.15 | Taintedwisp | Its not too much harder |
| 23:42.20 | Taintedwisp | you just have to use your hero more |
| 23:42.30 | Taintedwisp | most missions can be solo'd with just a hero |
| 23:42.38 | Zolden | yea |
| 23:42.44 | Zolden | like that 3 bosses missions |
| 23:43.03 | Zolden | just boobs attack -> win |
| 23:43.59 | Taintedwisp | :)) |
| 23:44.01 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
| 23:44.08 | Taintedwisp | it is a really good campaign though |
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| 23:53.51 | Ahli | http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLGSC2 flash vs ret... soon |
| 23:56.03 | progammer_ | kerrigan is op as fuck, macro is too easy with twin drones |
