IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20130311

00:02.27BountyDid you ever see what i said the other day JademusSreg? About the Arcade Icon
00:04.14duckieshey Ahli you here?
00:06.04duckiesI need your wisdom to combat evil bugs that appeared after hots update :<
00:10.30duckiesnevermind, your sen topic was quite useful :D
00:34.35JademusSregSaw it, and intend to make one as well.
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00:47.42QueenGhi boys
00:48.28JademusSregHm, my supplies are limited and the liqour merchants have closed shop.
00:51.31A1wincreate something new and amazing and get high from success
00:51.47JademusSregNo reason I can't do both.
01:03.07TaintedwispZERG SHOTGUN, YOU!!!
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01:28.35KubiThe way I'm going to fuck TaintedWisp is slowly, then hard.
01:32.16iMisuawesome to get home and read shit like that kubi
01:32.20iMisufucking creep
01:32.32KubiSays the girl who was on cocaine :Pp
01:32.41KubiThen messaged me
01:32.43Kubi:
01:32.48iMisuheroine
01:32.49iMisuidiot
01:32.58KubiDon't hate, it's a world we live in.
01:33.04KubiHATE LEADS TO VIOLENCE
01:33.08iMisube back later kiddo
01:33.08KubiAND VIOLENCE LEADS TO DARK SIDE
01:33.48KubiIdiot?!
01:33.58KubiYou have much hate in you.
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03:02.37Ahlihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbLKwbSOlCk the important part of esports
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03:52.33JademusSregI did it; I made a derpy protoss.
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04:11.55Taintedwispso..... hots drops tomorrow
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04:15.20herolief>that feel when netsplit disconnects you permanently until you reconnect to freenode
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04:31.46QueenGhi guys
04:32.30Ownageis it better to copy a unit and change the copy or to change the default one, assuming you don't need the default
04:33.36Ownageor does it make a difference
04:36.42QueenGI like to just simply copy a unit
04:38.13KubiI simply copy the actor/unit and the weapon
04:38.16Kubiand rename it
04:38.44Ownageis there a way to bulk change unit properties
04:38.46QueenGgrr, even with my new laptop, its so slow going through the editor....
04:38.57OwnageI selected a bunch and made some changes and it seems to only have changed one
04:39.05KubiCopy and paste
04:39.06Kubi:P
04:39.10KubiShit
04:39.16KubiI somehow lost my left side toolbar
04:39.18Ownagelame
04:39.19Kubihow do i get back!
04:39.37KubiIt's tidious work but it works out for the better
04:39.45KubiI am glad they locked default units
04:39.55Ownagewhat do you mean
04:40.04Ownagethat's what Im changing
04:40.08QueenGjust in case you mess with default units too much, the stats of them still here
04:40.21QueenGyou can revert back to default is what kubi is talking about.
04:40.27KubiWell that
04:40.29Ownageoh yeah ctrl-,
04:40.30Kubibut for me
04:40.36KubiI never touch default units
04:40.37Ownagepretty sure you could do that in sc1 also
04:40.38KubiI based my units off them
04:40.41Kubibut i always make new ones
04:40.42QueenGKubi: View - Show UI Panel
04:40.53Kubioh im dumb
04:41.04QueenGno the editor is a mess
04:41.12JademusSregPew pew/
04:42.39KubiHooo woo! so glad I can have 4 different arenas
04:42.55Kubi<PROTECTED>
04:42.59KubiWhats the new hots tilesets
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04:44.29heroliefKubi, SNOWWWWWWWWWWW
04:44.41heroliefAlso, decent jungles
04:44.42KubiYeah thats what I am making my fourth tileset
04:44.47QueenGIve been active again for at least 2 months now and most of the ppl here on irc do not respond?
04:45.01KubiI have aiur jungle, redstone volcanic, braxis alpha (space) and the snow one
04:45.08QueenGim just going to say hi to ppl
04:45.10KubiThe community is niche
04:45.13Kubiand
04:45.17Kubiit's 12 in the us
04:45.19JademusSregPardon, I'm usually afk, except when I'm not.
04:45.20Kubimost people in bed
04:45.36QueenGhi Cheekything, Deaod, Fisker, herolief, HP-X. ICE^
04:46.01JademusSregOr sometimes I'm here, but both monitors are filled with my work.
04:46.07Deaodhi.
04:46.12QueenGomg hi!
04:46.14Ownagedo you guys copy everything
04:46.15JademusSreg<3
04:46.15QueenG:)
04:46.18heroliefpats QueenG's head
04:46.23Ownagelike if you're making a marine do you copy stimpack and so forth?
04:46.28QueenGare you working on anything Deaod?
04:46.36JademusSregI don't duplicate, bad juju.
04:46.38QueenGHey herolief :)
04:46.56Deaodworking? nothing SC2 related
04:47.09QueenGexcited for hots?
04:47.17QueenGoh okay Deaod
04:47.18JademusSregIndifferent.
04:47.23KubiYeah i watching the facebook feed
04:47.26Kubilots of new models
04:48.17JademusSregNo doubt the campaign will be good, but I'm hesistant to purchase it.
04:48.23QueenGWorking on the editor and just mods in general for years I don't get too much excited when playing games. Case and point Hots campaign is just going to be like 20-something levels where Kerrigan will be like a dota hero you level up each level.
04:49.43QueenGI am just happy that sc2mapster is more niche than ever and most of the loudmouths immature ppl are gone.
04:49.59Kubiwell unfortunately we still have taintedwisp
04:50.30QueenGhes alright, you just need to direct his attention to his map
04:50.32JademusSregHahaha.
04:50.35Ownageis there an easy way to move all my triggers from one map to another
04:50.37Deaodthat ... is a problem
04:50.48JademusSregOw, yes.
04:50.50QueenGand ive told him that if we weren't friends, I wouldve been very upset towards him.
04:51.06JademusSregYou can copypaste, export/import as a library, or direct export the xml files.
04:51.33JademusSreg(via either Import manager or MPQ Editor.)
04:51.48TaintedwispI'm here to relax not please anyone, someone dont like me nor my personality tough shit :P.
04:52.26Ownagethanks, what about the terrain?
04:53.04JademusSregAh.
04:53.31JademusSregSnowy, jungle, protoss space installation, craggy, iirc.
04:54.03JademusSregNot certain what other terrains, if any, are also added.
04:54.18OwnageI'm asking can you copy and paste it somehow
04:54.34Ownagealso can you build 1/2 of a symmetrical map and mirror it? :)
04:54.42JademusSregYou can copypaste, export/import as a library, or direct export the xml files.
04:55.35Ownageyour terrain as a library?
04:55.45JademusSreg[00:50:21] <Ownage> is there an easy way to move all my triggers
04:55.57Ownageyou already answered that
04:55.59Ownagethen I said
04:56.00JademusSregYes.
04:56.04Ownagethanks, what about the terrain?
04:56.09JademusSregAh.
04:56.10OwnageI'm asking can you copy and paste it somehow
04:56.29Ownageand the feature I've been wanting since sc1 is to build half a map and mirror it
04:56.33herolief18<26QueenG> excited for hots?
04:56.34JademusSregWell, sure, but it's not all that useful.
04:56.35heroliefincredibly!~
04:57.35QueenGI am actually, thats why I bought it
04:57.37JademusSregIt doesn't offer much precision.
04:58.29QueenGbut i understand some ppl like EternalWraith does not want to buy it. He is not interested in the trinkets of new units and playing the campaign. He also does not want to pay an expansion at that price
04:58.32JademusSregIf you wanted to copy all the terrain to a different map, that can be done by exporting the terrain files and putting them into the new map, but I expect that is not your intent.
04:58.40Ownageok, np
04:58.58JademusSregAnd I'm not certain how well it handles cliffs and ramps, which have always been problematic.
04:59.09Ownageanother q, with tug of war maps, whats the best way to control the units that spawn
04:59.20OwnageI mean you can attack-move them but they don't cast anything
04:59.38QueenGbut one could argue that price can't be really gauge. At my university bar nearby, shots are so expensive... lets just say I can buy 3 HotS expansion packs in one night.
04:59.39Ownageis there any silver bullet where you tell the computer to 'fight'?
04:59.41JademusSregI haven't copypasted terrain in, er, years, so it may have been improved since then.
04:59.42QueenGand then its gone.
05:00.01JademusSregAh, that's a fun question.
05:00.38Ownageor do you have to sit there and say if unit gets near another unit and its a infestor and you have enough to cast fungal, cast it
05:01.01OwnageI noticed there's something called attack waves, I was hoping that would be something useful for me
05:01.13JademusSregSo long as they don't have anything on the command card and no smart actions, the player can't command them easily, but usually you want the Uncommandable flag (in the unit data) to ensure they can't be messed with.
05:01.26OwnageI have that already
05:01.44QueenGI want to get EternalWraths avatar and put him on a meme. On the top it will say "Won't buy Hots". on the bottom it says "Buys ALL other video games"
05:02.30JademusSregFrom there, you can handle the attack command either via data or triggers, data being the more efficient option but also less versatile in case you want complex logic that can change at runtime.
05:02.50Ownageso you do have to sit there an tell each unit what to do
05:03.00JademusSregNot necessarily.
05:03.38JademusSregFor instance, in the work I'm doing for Kubi, I have a summoned drone minion that follows the player's hero, and the following behavior is entirely done in data.
05:04.36Ownageassume for example a siege tank
05:04.57Ownagedo you have to trigger 'if theres any enemies within x range then siege' and if not then unsiege and attack move
05:05.22Ownageor can you just set siege and unsiege to autocast
05:05.26JademusSregA buff behavior with a periodic effect that makes it seek out targets with search area effect and a issue order effect, and a disable requirement on the buff that checks if it currently has orders or some such is a pretty efficient approach.
05:05.26QueenGare you making like an insane computer AI Ownage?
05:05.26heroliefQueenG, >mfw I bought the full collector's edition
05:05.40OwnageI was just thinking about making a little tug o war map
05:05.56Ownagebut depending on how annoying this kind of thing is I might do something else
05:06.43QueenGnice. I won't be getting the collectors edition herolief because the small trinkets does not have any value to me but I respect your purchase. I just hate it when people say they don't want to buy this or that because its expensive or worthless when its worth something to other ppl.
05:07.05heroliefNah, there aren't any extra 'trinkets' really
05:07.14heroliefIt's the soundtrack, the art books... Fun stuff to dig through.
05:07.19heroliefI love reading about the development of games.
05:07.21QueenGCool Ownage, im actually finally making my tug of war map along with other things.
05:07.33QueenGME to!
05:07.34OwnageI am really sick of the crappy maps in sc2
05:07.53Ownagestarcraft 1 was so much more diverse with its maps
05:08.24Ownageit annoys me that I pretty much end up playing the same map over and over and over because there's not diversity and the way battle.net 2.0 works fights it
05:08.26QueenGI wish that theres a website/community that is more focus on the development of games and how it really works, what program they use, what happens in a day 2 day game studio, etc.
05:08.38JademusSregBy all means, make the maps you want to play.
05:08.51QueenGdid you ever play wc3/tft?
05:08.55Ownagelike a sunken d? :)
05:09.03Ownageyeah, and of course in that game is was all dota
05:09.13Ownagebut at least you could play something else
05:09.17QueenGyour missing out on some fun maps made on warcraft, Ownage
05:09.43Ownagedoes anyone remember all those crazy line defenses and micro games in sc1
05:09.54JademusSregLike whatever. Just be selfish and make the gameplay you'd want to play.
05:09.57Ownagethere were so many td games you could never play them all
05:10.06Ownageand like 40 versions of golems
05:10.29KubiTrue
05:10.34Ownagemaybe I will make a battle tanks
05:10.37Kubibut map making became more complex and time consuming
05:10.40QueenGthats because ppl just merely change the data value of things and edit the terrain a bit
05:10.42Ownagemuch less ai on that game
05:11.19QueenGyea I think the soundtrack and the art book would be nice to have herolief
05:11.42heroliefHey uhm
05:11.51heroliefI could use some help testing my (original) map if anyone's interested :3
05:11.55heroliefI just need to fix this one major bug first
05:12.08Kubidepends, does it have any melee aspects to it?
05:12.09QueenGi disagree, i think that your expectations on maps are just much higher and you're just trying to experience some nostalgia. SC1 ums maps were really bland
05:12.27JademusSreg*really terrible
05:12.38QueenGand if you want to enjoy some fun arcade maps, you can join us during map night on every friday :) we play all hidden gems of maps
05:13.17QueenGsure herolief, invite me
05:13.25QueenGand welcome to sc2mapster ;)
05:14.03Ownageno it's not that
05:14.21OwnageIt's more how bnet works now; if I join anything that's not top 5, it's just me and some crickets
05:14.31KubiSc1 maps may be bland then compared now days due to editor restrictions however they had one aspect that many maps don't pull off today, which is the fun factor.
05:14.41Ownageyou can't lure people to your game like the old days
05:14.54Ownage~~~ SUNKEN TD NO WHITE PPPL ~~~
05:15.00Ownageand so on
05:15.01QueenGyea
05:15.11Ownageor like
05:15.18Ownage1v1 golem rev BRING IT
05:15.27Ownagenow it's sanitary :|
05:15.46KubiI like the system now
05:15.55heroliefI've been on SC2Mapster for years ;3
05:15.55Kubimany people don't like it because their maps dont fill up instantly
05:16.01heroliefLet me just finish this major bug fix.
05:16.02JademusSregYes, it's almost like map devs want lots of people to play their maps.
05:16.23QueenGI think that if we had that system again, we'd have the list be 20-30 games of each of the top 20 maps on bnet saying the same thing.
05:16.39QueenGNexus wars Come join!, Join now for Nexus, Nexus 3v3, NEXUS
05:16.57JademusSregYes, like Dota in wc3. =D
05:17.10QueenGand then ppl will have bots hosting like dota
05:17.21JademusSregTo which people mumble "well, at least you saw other maps on the hosted games list".
05:17.41OwnageI liked bot hosting
05:18.10OwnageI didn't ever use it but I was a player of course
05:18.19QueenGi think what the new bnet requires is the drive of ppl organizing and coming together to play together.
05:18.30QueenGits why my stupid map got so popular, I just played it all the time inviting ppl.
05:18.45JademusSregSo you like the system that keeps games open, but don't like the sc2 approach which is to keep games open?
05:18.48Ownageyeah that's true
05:18.51JademusSregHaha
05:19.05OwnageI like being able to name your game lobby
05:19.16Ownageand I don't like how it spawns endless amounts of the same game
05:19.32OwnageI enjoyed when I couldn't find anyone doing a certain game so I would join something else
05:19.36Ownagesomething I had never heard of
05:19.48QueenGlots of great mappers they publish and wait and not play their map. Then they piss on Blizzard and call them EA for having their maps not popular. "So, have you ever....hosted your map?" "No..."
05:19.54QueenGwell thats the problem
05:20.30QueenGpublish your map and play it. If you dont want to play your map, why make it.
05:20.47OwnageI agree
05:20.51QueenGIt is why Music Galaxy, my piano simulator map became top 50 (at one point) because i played it many times
05:20.52OwnageI only make games I like
05:21.10Ownageusually I play someone else's game and start thinking about stuff I would do better
05:21.25QueenGand if I can get my friends (only 10 or so ppl) to enjoy and play with me, then I call that a sucess. I never compare it with other maps. That is not being pragmatic at all.
05:21.55QueenGI am glad the "I hate the popularity system" sc2mapster members are gone so that we can just focus on just mapping and deal with the broken system.
05:22.07Ownageso you know
05:22.15OwnageI'm talking about bnet from a user perspective
05:22.34OwnageI don't care at all about map popularity, being able to get a game going with some people in it is enough for me
05:23.18QueenGwell in reality, most ppl play normal sc and not arcade maps at all.
05:24.53JademusSregAnd most people cna coax a few players into joining a game, like friends, relatives, hostages.
05:25.15QueenGyup and to start it up, its about the social aspect and getting ppl to play with. That imo is how wc3 was so sucessful in the mod scene, the new features of clans provided ppl to gather and play together.
05:26.58QueenGim a bit upset that sc2 devs are deciding to bring some of these things back. They shoulda had chatchannels and clans and other things from the beginning.
05:27.38QueenGI read a teamliquid article saying that most likely they wanted to avoid certain things like: they took out lan to prevent piracy, etc which is dumb =/
05:28.07Ownageyeah because custom servers
05:28.48OwnageI never thought that was a big deal
05:28.52QueenGor they didn't want to have public chat channels so that players don't aggravate or troll players or establish that idling scene.
05:28.53Ownagemaybe in asia it is
05:30.10Ownagelike china
05:30.18Ownagebig place with crappy internet
05:32.49QueenGif your looking for golems map, like JademusSreg said, make it :)
05:33.07QueenGI can help with conceptualizing some things or even help conceptualize the tug of war map you're making.
05:33.37QueenGor even making that Sunken D maps? That would probably be easier to make
05:33.58Ownageyeah its all unit data
05:34.25QueenGmake it so that the spores dont have footprint and that they dont bump to anything - then it will act like you are stacking.
05:35.00QueenGever play bounds on sc1 Ownage?
05:35.10Ownageyeah
05:35.17Ownagethat's an example of a well made map
05:35.18QueenGoh!
05:35.20Ownagewell genre anyway
05:35.22QueenGever play Owl City Bounds?
05:36.06Ownagehmm I think so
05:36.12QueenGit would play Fireflies - Owl City song in the background loop
05:36.14QueenGwhile you were bounding
05:36.19Ownageit's been a long time and I wasn't huge into bound
05:36.23Ownagebecause I sucked at it
05:36.28Ownagebut I appreciated the quality
05:36.31QueenGhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMwImTbn_HE
05:36.39QueenGoh okay nvm
05:36.42QueenGwell i made that map :)
05:37.15QueenGmy point is, its just a simple bound map and then I spiced it up by adding the song and forced everyone to listen to it!
05:37.24Ownageheh
05:37.36QueenGdo you still have sc1 installed?
05:38.02Ownagenah
05:38.06QueenGk
05:38.08Ownagesc2 and d3
05:38.16QueenGever play Normandy Invasion map?
05:38.18Ownageand since d3 is crap I'm on sc2 all the time
05:38.23Ownageand master of magic of course
05:38.38Ownagedon't think so
05:38.47QueenGoh okay
05:40.25Ownagemaybe I will just make a golems map
05:40.28QueenGherolief, do you still need testing?
05:40.30Ownagethey're easy enough
05:40.40heroliefYeah, but I just need to get around to re-writing this trigger
05:40.44heroliefI copied to text but like
05:40.49heroliefI closed the editor as debugging
05:40.51heroliefAnd my map corrupted
05:40.59heroliefBecause when I tried to save, my hard drive was full...?
05:41.00herolief>10mb left
05:41.07heroliefSo I fixed that up but yeah. Have to rewrite trigger.
05:41.28QueenGthe only thing i dont like sc2 is that the game requires good pc to run it.
05:41.59QueenGits not like wc3 anymore, you can't have 500 units battling against 500 other units on bnet, everyone will just lag very bad.
05:42.39QueenGalrighty herolief
05:42.56QueenGyou should get some external hardrive and place your files there
05:43.10heroliefI have backups, so it isn't too big of a deal
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05:43.12QueenGyou can also download this: http://www.file.net/freeware/largest-files-finder.html
05:43.18QueenGthis will tell you the top 100 files on your computer
05:43.23heroliefAnd I already have something similar
05:43.25heroliefWindirstat > that
05:43.28Ownagewindirstat
05:43.30Ownageyeah
05:43.45heroliefI just didn't even know I had only 10mb...
05:43.51heroliefLast I checked I had around 25GB :<
05:43.56QueenGoh nice, im going to download that now
05:43.59heroliefSome program decided to bloat its cache really quickly
05:44.39Mossie~seen blizz-deletarius
05:44.43purlblizz-deletarius <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 16d 13h 32m 32s ago, saying: 'I believe it is possible, but I'm not exactly sure which actor message it is'.
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05:55.25QueenGhi RipperRoo
05:55.34RipperRoohi QueenG
05:56.38QueenGBe sure to join us in the weekly map party every Friday
06:01.24nooblarkpartay?
06:01.53QueenGhey nooblark
06:01.58nooblarkhi
06:02.02QueenGyou missed out on map party
06:02.15nooblarksex, drugs, and rock and roll?
06:02.28QueenGyes lol
06:02.31nooblark:(
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06:13.38QueenGhows your map coming along nooblark?
06:13.50nooblarki don't map
06:14.08nooblarki'm here for team morale
06:15.54QueenGk
06:16.17nooblarkactually, i haven't even looked at irc for a week, lol
06:16.23QueenGdo you want to team morale my map?
06:16.45nooblarklol...
06:16.55nooblarklike what
06:19.36QueenGI want to make a dodge map where players are a ling and they must run around dodging mindless computer ground units. they have to reach the other end of the map avoiding other units. there will be zones that are safe. If a player touches a comp unit, they are forced burrow until a teammate tags them.
06:20.17nooblarkrun ling run?
06:21.49QueenGinstead of a linear spiral maze, is the entire  map.
06:22.31JademusSregWIP for Bounty's loadscreen: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/Captain%20Zealotron.jpg
06:24.53QueenGoh cool Jademus
06:25.20nooblarkhi jade <3
06:25.54JademusSreg<3
06:25.56JademusSregbrb
06:28.56heroliefAlrighty QueenG
06:29.04heroliefGunna publish now. Bug fixed, game stable again
06:30.51QueenGk
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06:33.05QueenGQueenGambit 227
06:33.52JademusSregYes, the derpy protoss is coming along well.
06:38.26QueenGis there a way to duplicate a model? or do I have to export it and import?
06:39.22heroliefQueenG, what's the situation?
06:39.51heroliefYou want to use a model twice?
06:40.03JademusSregMaking a new model data entry should work just fine. =D
06:40.12herolief^
06:40.22heroliefYou can use the "duplicate entry" function in the Model tab in the Data module.
06:40.38QueenGderp
06:40.40heroliefIt'll reference the same .m3 file, but appear as a new instance of the model. No extra space used (besides the data fields)
06:40.56QueenGlong story short of my complicated situation, I had to simply save map
06:40.59heroliefAlrighty, anyone else wanna join me?
06:41.05QueenGthen it displayed what i needed nvm ;)
06:41.21QueenGyea invite me herolief!
06:41.39heroliefname/ID?
06:41.43heroliefAnd does anyone else want to join us?
06:41.46heroliefMap supports 12 players!
06:42.48QueenGQueenGambit 227
06:46.07heroliefNobody? :c
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06:47.16WrathAnybody here good with actors?
06:47.22heroliefDecent... why?
06:47.26heroliefWhatcha need, Wrath?
06:47.32WrathWell
06:47.37WrathI have an active that applies a behavior
06:47.40WrathStacking up to 3 times
06:47.49WrathAnd I need a different actor to be created at each stack
06:47.54WrathAnd disappear as that stack expires
06:48.08WrathI attempted using "validate unit" in the actor terms
06:48.13WrathWith a compare behavior count validator
06:48.16WrathBut it just isn't working
06:48.39WrathEvery time I plug the validator in, they stop getting created or destroyed
06:50.10WrathAny ideas? :P
06:53.05WrathHere's a Pastebin of the validators, they're pretty straightforward :/
06:53.06Wrathhttp://pastebin.com/VnMgrmc6
06:54.22WrathAnd I'm using the "ValidateUnit" term in the actor events.
06:55.05Ownagewhat was that old site that had a bajillion starcraft maps on it with an image of the minimap and reviews and you could download it
06:55.09Ownagedidn't have anything else
06:59.01Ownageoh here it is, epicwar
06:59.43QueenGLOL
07:00.00QueenGall that hard work and effort to grab as many ppl I can and it crashes on loading
07:00.30QueenGhero, why don't we test it by ourselves.
07:00.58WrathAnybody know how to help with my issue? :3
07:01.58QueenGhey Ownage, try http://sc.nibbits.com/ and then search: Desert Strike Night :)
07:02.08QueenGsorry Wrath, that is too advance for me
07:02.22heroliefAh crap QueenG...
07:02.27WrathThanks anyways, Queen. :)
07:02.28QueenGbut we have tons of other members (who are offline) that can help you. try coming back tomorrow
07:02.31herolief:x
07:02.40heroliefI just realized an issue though. I left a debug command in lol
07:02.43heroliefI can patch that later though.
07:02.51heroliefBut uhm. Damnnnnnnn
07:03.01heroliefOwnage, epicwar was only for war3, wasn't it?
07:03.01QueenGim relogging to sc2
07:03.04heroliefKay
07:03.09heroliefI'm still in
07:03.14Ownageepicwar has wc3 maps?
07:03.21heroliefEpicWar has always had war3...
07:03.21Ownagecrazy style
07:03.29Ownageno it hasn't
07:03.40Ownageit didn't have wc3 maps when wc3 didn't exist
07:03.42Ownagethat's for sure
07:03.46heroliefhttps://www.google.com/search?q=epicwar
07:03.51QueenGlol your map broke my battle.net files
07:03.56herolief"Epic War.com: Warcraft 3 Maps"
07:03.58Deaodpretty sure epicwar didnt exist then
07:04.02heroliefAs far as I recall it was made for War3...
07:04.08heroliefAnd lol seriously?
07:04.13heroliefJeez. Worked fine for me :x
07:04.19QueenGIt thinks it did not download sc and theres a patch error. Now i have to delete my battle.net folder located under ProgramFiles
07:04.30heroliefOh. That stupid thing
07:04.42heroliefThat's just a launcher bug... You can probably directly run sc2.exe and get it up
07:05.10Ownagereally? crazy I didn't even know it had wc3 maps
07:05.48Ownageyou learn something new every day I guess
07:06.51heroliefOh god lol
07:06.57heroliefQueenG, doing it for me too once I restarted
07:07.04heroliefDon't think it was my map though. :3
07:08.06QueenGoh okay
07:08.11herolief...
07:08.14heroliefAAAND I'm broken!
07:08.20QueenGI think what its doing is patching in the Hots stuff we downloaded
07:08.25heroliefI can't optimize because I don't have enough working free space on my hard drive!
07:08.36heroliefRaaaaaaagh
07:09.01QueenGwow you must barely have space, you should sacrifice some big files you have. Im sure you have some movies and music you can delete
07:09.37Ownagedude how epic was this map http://sc.nibbits.com/maps/view/29554/preview/
07:09.41heroliefNo I'm like 2GB under
07:09.46heroliefugh.
07:09.51heroliefNeeds 13GB free I have 12GB. Fuark.
07:09.58Ownageman I'm feeling nestalgic
07:10.16heroliefI have a 200GB partiton I could delete without loss, but I don't want to wait two hours. :x
07:10.30heroliefWindirstat, quick, tell me what I can delete!
07:10.38herolief...Oh.
07:10.45heroliefI can disable Windows hibernation and free 5GB.
07:10.46Ownagehehehe
07:10.52Ownageone of my old maps yay http://sc.nibbits.com/maps/view/131627/preview/
07:10.58heroliefConsidering I'm on a desktop and have never hibernated in the three years this installation has existed... :3
07:13.18QueenGhey Ownage, why dont you go make that map ;)
07:13.37Ownagehere's another one I made http://www.mapgnome.org/map-info/15682
07:14.14QueenGwhats the 200GB for?
07:14.21heroliefhttp://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/goblin-exploration-3-56-a-126127/
07:14.29heroliefAha, one of my old maps ;3
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07:15.21QueenGnice herolief.
07:15.31QueenGyou know what you should do, is reply to that thread lol
07:15.47OwnageI made a stacked cannon d once too, wonder what happened to it
07:15.52QueenGtoo bad hiveworkshop theres only like 20 ppl actively posting =(
07:17.09QueenG24 hours till I download my Deluxe edition of Hots :)
07:17.23QueenGi cant wait to get my extra portraits that cost $20.00!
07:18.02heroliefCleaned out some old driver binaries. Optimizing now.
07:18.13herolief^
07:18.21heroliefExcept I get the full collector's edition :3
07:18.27heroliefYay for amazon one day shipping~
07:21.22Ownagealright that's it
07:21.37QueenGwhats the verdict Ownage?
07:21.41OwnageI'm going to make a golem resurrection II map
07:22.14QueenGnice
07:22.33QueenGthat would be very fun to play
07:23.29Ownageapparently I documented it fairly well
07:23.29QueenGhave you tried the other golem maps out there on sc2?
07:23.55OwnageI looked for them, there seemed to be only one with reviews and it got horrible reviews
07:24.03Ownagego here http://eng.warcmaps.com/warcraft/Golem_Resurrection_1.71
07:24.10Ownagesee where it says expand/collapse
07:24.17QueenGthere are actually several "golem" type maps but they under different name.
07:24.30Ownagehit that and you'll see I actually left quite a lot of info
07:24.36Ownagefor my future self I guess
07:25.19QueenGimo, zone control and maddness and frenzy maps play like golem maps
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07:26.15Ownagewell I don't like footmen frenzy or zone control really
07:26.22Ownageoriginal zone control was good
07:26.36QueenGok
07:26.46OwnageI guess i do like zone control
07:26.54Ownagethe hydra one from sc was cool
07:27.04Ownagewhat was that called again, hydra madness or something :)
07:28.48QueenGyea so good luck with the map! i can't wait to play a working vers
07:29.24QueenGwhats your direction plan? Do you want to stick with the original game of golems?
07:29.35QueenGwill you make it so that players can use sc2 units ?
07:29.53OwnageI made golem resurrection, it's an evolution of the golem revelation series
07:30.01Ownagethe units actually have things that happen to them
07:30.29Ownagefor example orc grunts as they get damaged they turned more and more red and got larger and attacked faster and faster
07:30.50QueenGi c
07:30.53Ownageelven swordsmen got stun and evade chances, which is actually kind of cool in bulk
07:30.58Ownageand things like that
07:31.05OwnageI tried to make the basic units actually cool
07:31.34heroliefQueenG, logging in
07:31.44heroliefHalf an hour later but if you guys still want to try ;3
07:31.47QueenGokay ill log in now then
07:32.27Ownagearchers had split arrows, corpses had poison aura, that kind of thing
07:32.46Ownageand the then the heros were the 'normal' units in the game
07:32.55QueenGim on
07:33.13QueenGoh wow that sounds really unique and creative Ownage
07:33.27Ownagehaha thanks
07:33.29QueenGyou should start with copying Golem Resurrection
07:33.35Ownagewell it was cooler to play than it sounds :)
07:33.49QueenGTHEN edit things after playing it several times with ppl
07:34.17QueenGim on herolief
07:35.17QueenGyou should enable Lobby, herolief
07:35.54QueenGalrighty lets play herolief ;)
07:35.55heroliefWhat do you mean?
07:35.59heroliefEnable lobby?
07:36.08heroliefIs this not a lobby?
07:37.46QueenGyou can toggle it so that players can see or not see the lobby
07:38.11twodieby the default its hidden TT
07:38.20QueenGthe map wont start unless we have full house
07:38.52twodiecreate private
07:38.57QueenGthe exception was last time when we were in a party, that forces us to see the lobby.
07:39.30QueenGinvite me to a party and then "create with party"
07:39.36Ownagehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k3JvEErbvU
07:39.38QueenGor i think create private...
07:39.40Ownageepicness
07:40.53heroliefWhere can you toggle that?
07:42.50QueenGi think its variants
07:43.20twodieno
07:43.26twodieits in map info > options
07:45.35twodiehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5fqi5mEIzE
07:47.17JademusSregNow with partial helmet. =D https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/Captain%20Zealotron.jpg
07:48.23JademusSregThe challenge is in balancing quality and deliberate shittiness to comic effect.
07:48.25twodiewho is that scary assface motherfucker? :(((((
07:48.56JademusSregCaptain Zealotron, "because he doesn't afraid of anything."
07:49.14JademusSregaka, derpy protoss.
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07:54.26heroliefYou likey?
07:54.29QueenGgreat fun map herolief
07:54.51QueenGhow come i died a few times touching the inner border?
07:56.55Ownageomg stop what you're doing and watch this entire video if you can http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUyKpfbB9M8
07:57.05Ownageit's life threatening
08:01.48heroliefYou did?
08:02.10heroliefWell, keep in mind that you die sometimes touching yourself, and an archon might spawn on you (need to work on that)
08:02.29heroliefIf it says "wall -> you" then it's just a bug that I still need to work out.
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08:08.58Kubimm  I love data references
08:14.29Bommeshello
08:14.55Bommesanyone around for launch party stream?
08:30.15Vindicatorwhy in god's name is my SC2 installation over 46GB now...
08:30.43Vindicatori mean seriously... wtf
08:31.26Vindicator"This optimization process usually reduces your installation size."    Last time (a couple weeks ago) it went from 12ish GB to 30GB.... now it went from 30 to 46.x....
08:31.47Kubimmm oh god
08:31.56KubiThe process for making a rally from a unit spawned by a behavior
08:31.57Kubiis tidious
08:33.46Ownagehmm is there no citizen unit in sc2? :(
08:34.12Kubiuh
08:34.14Kubiyeah there is
08:34.19KubiCivilian
08:34.36Ownageoh
08:34.49Ownagethanks heh
08:35.04twodiehe have no team colors!
08:42.41Ownagecan someone tell me what a data table is and why I should use it
08:44.45Ownagenear as I can tell it's like a python dict or perl hash? (named associative array)?
08:44.50Ownagewhy is that useful
08:45.19Ownagealso, what do we use to save records on battle.net which is remembered between games
08:46.52OwnageI'm about to write a trigger for dealing with player kills and custom values based on that, is there something newfangled in sc2 I should be using instead of just a variable array
09:02.38KubiSo uh
09:02.47Kubiappearntly supplie upgrades do not work
09:19.03Ownagewow detailed view halts the whole program
09:20.51Ownage1.4GB ram being used by editor :)
09:25.39JademusSregYeah, editor has more bottlenecks than a bottle full of recursively nested bottles.
09:25.57Ownagehah, funny
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09:43.45twodieSo what news brings today Zolden?
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10:03.37twodie.
10:09.09Bommesoh, the patch is already unlocked
10:09.16Bommesanyone tried if adding swarm dependencies works already?
10:10.44Bommesok it does
10:10.46Bommeswoot
10:10.48Bommes:>
10:12.51KubiOh
10:12.55KubiCan you add units now?
10:13.32Bommesprobably, just tested my map first for the new patch
10:13.49Bommeseverything seems to work fine though
10:13.56Bommesfull HotS should be accessible now
10:14.00Bommesfor the Editor at least
10:15.10Kubican you run the editor with hots?
10:15.14Kubieven though its not released
10:15.15Zoldentwodie: news are simple, I won a book
10:17.35Bommesthere is no "run with hots" editor
10:17.39Bommesit's the same editor as for wol
10:17.45twodiedoes anyone know how to set Dialog Progress bar item color that the progress had color too. Now it changes color of the main frame and leaves progress to be race colored...
10:17.48Bommesthe only difference is whether you can use the hots dependencies or not
10:17.49KubiThere is no hots dependencies
10:17.51KubiYou liar
10:17.52KubiBommes
10:18.01BommesI can use them
10:18.06KubiDAFUQ
10:18.07BommesI had a beta map where they are enabled though
10:18.09Bommesso maybe thats why
10:18.14KubiOooooooooooo
10:18.24Bommesmaybe you just can't create a new one
10:18.29KubiI have a beta map too
10:18.51Zoldenwow, it's 11th! hots is tomorrow!
10:18.53KubiI dink
10:19.01KubiFuuuuuuuck
10:19.06KubiDo you see something new bommes
10:19.08Zoldenhope they will reveal kerrigan boobs in one of the cinematics
10:19.10Kubior is it the same editor shit
10:19.24Bommeswell all the new doodads etc
10:19.28Bommeseditor things should be the same
10:19.43BommesI don't think they added anything, we had access to the patch before that
10:19.46Bommesit's really just the dependencies
10:19.51twodieZolden well its possible edit original models and add nudity elements!
10:20.13Kubimeh
10:20.15KubiI'll wait
10:20.31KubiI think I'll uninstall the beta now
10:20.35Kubino need.. and dont plan to use it
10:21.08ZoldenI want blizz modellers do it for me, I want kerrigan boobs to have a place in the story, I want Raynor to make an attaempt to take Kerrigan's virginity by force, to punch and undress her
10:21.13Zoldenthis is what they should do
10:21.27Zoldennot stupid "hey, go to that planet and kill a bunch of marines"
10:21.27twodie:D
10:21.49twodiehey go and rape those marines!
10:22.35Zoldenkerrigan won't say that' she's shy, her brutal personality is just a mask for sexual unexperienceless
10:32.25KubiOH SHIT
10:32.34KubiTHERE IS AN INTENSE KISS SCENE WITH JIMMY AND KERRIGAN
10:33.07Zoldendoes he intensively touch her boobs?
10:34.33Zoldendoes he try to put a finger into her vagina to check is she wet?
10:35.10Bommeshaha, the physics tire doodad is amazing
10:35.12Bommestires rolling everywhere
10:36.36Zoldenwe can create physical objects in art tools, rolling penises, for example, are possible
10:36.42BommesI know
10:36.48Bommesthen go ahead and make some for me
10:36.51Bommesbecause I can't model
10:37.04Zoldenyou can, you just don't try be cause you think that you can't
10:37.25OwnageI've got a pylon. I've removed it's footprints completely and gave it one kind of collision. My question is, it's still 2x2 in game. Why? How do I change this to 1x1?
10:38.00Zoldenchange all footprints to 1v1, reduce radius, waht else?
10:38.33Bommesna it just takes too much time to learn
10:38.34Ownagewhat's radius
10:38.40Zoldenmaybe placement model should be changed too
10:38.42OwnageI see movement radius
10:38.48Ownagealso there's no footprint at all
10:38.51Ownage(None)
10:38.55BommesI could do a lot of things that interest me
10:38.57OwnageI'm wondering how does it know it's 2x2
10:39.23Bommesbut I don't see the point of starting with it if there are already tons of people who are better at it than I will ever be
10:39.24ZoldenOwnage: footprints tells it
10:40.51ZoldenBomes, there is a reason: for example, you need a simple penis model, very simple, just 2 spheres and a capsule. You can create it for 1 minute, but if you ask "good" opp to create it for you, it may take alot of time, and there is no 100% chance, that they create it for you
10:42.43Ownagefootprint is set to None
10:42.51Zoldenalso, look at sc2 pro players! most of them started playing when there were white ra, the little one and other badass pros very active. They could say "nah, i'll never beat them", but they didn't and become badass pros
10:43.09ZoldenOwnage: why do you think it thinks it's 2v2?
10:43.48Ownagebecause I have units in game trying to walk through it and they're stuck the same distance from each other as before I changed it
10:44.01Ownageand it's definitely not 1/4 the size of a pylon
10:45.43Ownagealso in the editor I can't place it within 1 square of another one
10:47.01Zoldenset footprints to 1x1
10:47.32Zoldentype "radius" above the pylon fields, and set all radiuses to 0.5
10:49.53Ownageyeah setting it to 1x1 worked
10:50.01OwnageI wonder why (None) doesn't do anything
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10:51.45Zoldenif none, it uses its radius to check collisions
10:52.51Ownagethanks, that makes sense
10:58.11BommesHmm
10:58.17Bommesis there a building that is shaped like a cylinder?
10:59.04BommesZolden: Yeah I'm thinking about learning it just for this reason
10:59.25Bommesbut just the time it takes to get 3DSMax, get into the interface etc justifies to not do it myself in my opinion
10:59.45BommesI'll wait until I release my map and see in the months after that if there is any talented modeler who wants to work with me :)
10:59.53BommesIf not I'll learn a little bit of modelling myself
11:00.08Ownageisn't there one called cylinder
11:00.29BommesThere is, but the "Shape Cylinder" doesn't have a physics body
11:00.42Bommesand the one that's called "Physics Shape Cylinder" or something is set up in the wrong way
11:00.54Bommesas in responds like a ragdoll to outer forces
11:01.17BommesI need a physics body model that is shaped like a simple cylinder and stays at its place
11:01.35Ownagewell I just put in in a map and it's a cylinder
11:01.40Bommesbuildings do that, but I can't think of a building that is shaped like a simple cylinder. Maybe there isn't one
11:01.43Ownagegranted it's white and glowing
11:02.16BommesSupply Depot is shaped like a simple box in terms of physics body so that's a decent alternative I guess
11:04.42Ownagethere's a barrel too
11:05.46Bommesor actually I need a "Capsule" shaped Physics Body
11:06.09Bommesyeah the barrel is set up like the physics cylinder too
11:06.20Bommesnot staying at one spot but rather moving with nearby forces
11:06.46Bommes"Shape Type defines the geometry of the physic shape."
11:06.54Bommes"Capsule is basically a cylinder with two spherical ends. It is the second cheapest to use."
11:07.28BommesA basic Capsule that about as long as the Cylinder shaped asset, that's what I need
11:08.05Bommesthe quoted things were from the StarTools documentation
11:08.08Bommeson Physics
11:11.55Zoldenguys, should I download hots copy or wol will update itself?
11:23.03Bommesif you start the launcher of wol
11:23.04Bommesit will update itself
11:23.04Zoldenit updated, but still it says "wings of liberty" in battlenet
11:23.05Zoldenand no signs of hots campaign
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11:35.23Bommeshttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/requests/49883-request-really-basic-physics-model/ in case any modellers who would be interested are in here
11:52.29ZoldenBommes: I can help in the future if no one help you. For now I have too much stuff to do
11:53.10BommesZolden: Cool, thanks :)
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12:19.24DogmaiThey should have announced that Browder was going to Melbourne earlier
12:19.33DogmaiThey didn't leave me enough time to fly over
12:19.40DogmaiI am so depressed right now
12:19.45Bommes:D
12:19.48Bommeswasn't it obvious?
12:19.52Dogmaino
12:19.52JademusSregDeliberate?
12:19.54Bommesthat he wants to go to the Land of the Rock?
12:20.07DogmaiIm on the other side of the country
12:20.11DogmaiBut I would have flown over
12:20.34Bommesjust because of browder?
12:20.49Dogmaiyes
12:20.53Dogmaiare you listening to him now
12:20.56Dogmaitalking about being a game designer
12:21.19Bommesah no was watching the korean stream
12:21.22Bommesthx for pointing out
12:22.04Dogmaisee
12:22.07Dogmaii have made game
12:22.09Dogmaicheck it out
12:22.15Dogmaii should have fucken been in melbourne
12:22.21OwnageI'm trying to make a unit rotate by itself
12:22.34OwnageI have been messing with fidget settings but it doesn't seem to do anything
12:23.10Ownagechance array is 100% turn, turning rate is 90, turn angle is 119, delax min/max are both 1
12:23.34BommesI don't think he was saying that in order to have all the people in the front row rubbing their games into his face
12:23.58BommesI think he meant it more in a broader sense that if your map is out there on the one hand developers of companies will see it in the first place
12:24.05Bommesand also you can go to them specifically for job applications
12:24.48BommesI'm not saying it would be a bad idea to go there though :)
12:26.29DogmaiNo
12:26.36DogmaiI just wanted to introduce myself to him
12:26.56DogmaiCause I think he is awesome
12:27.15Bommesok, that reason is good enough for me :D
12:27.20BommesD. Browder ftw
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12:31.36JademusSregDoes this protoss look sufficiently idiotic to elicit humor? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/Captain%20Zealotron.jpg
12:31.50DogmaiSadly seems like I am going to have to fly to LA o_O
12:32.05DogmaiI like Melbourne it has good cheap food
12:32.25Vindicatorgoing on vacation?
12:34.18DogmaiNo, I just want to get my blizzard art books signed
12:34.31Dogmaiamongst some other things
12:34.42Vindicatori would think getting them on ebay would be cheaper than the plane ticket
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12:35.52DogmaiWell to fly to melbourne is cheap
12:36.04Dogmaito fly to LA is not
12:36.10ZoldenJademusSreg: it look like Splinter from tmnt
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12:36.14DogmaiAnd I am only 4 hours away by air
12:36.19JademusSregHaha.
12:36.30DogmaiI would have flown to Melbourne if I was given more notice
12:36.57Vindicatorur nuts... i mean have fun! :)
12:37.43Vindicatorslaps Dogmai with a 4r8a9i11n13b17o26w trout
12:37.44Bommesjademussreg: looks more like a stone cold killer to me
12:37.50Bommesthat stare...
12:37.55Vindicatorhopes he's knocked some sense into Dogmai
12:38.04Dogmainah
12:38.07Dogmaiits depressing mate
12:38.15Dogmaii really wish i could have gone
12:38.58JademusSregYes, that sheep-like stare must be terrifying, Bom. I can only imagine how its utter vacuity must haunt you.
12:39.52JademusSreg"I have no mouth and yet I must bleet."
12:47.48G0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/user/hookah604/videos?view=0
12:48.04G0Aall was made by me but almost none of it has any special effects
12:48.44G0AI did 2 videos for school project with special effects, but I dont think I have them on my pc anymore
12:49.22G0Ashit
12:49.38G0Awell that wanted to go to Vindi in private
12:49.46Vindicatorlol its np
12:50.16G0AI hate when I mix up the chat channels on irc.)
12:52.28Zoldenit's ok, G0A, we understand, even hitler once did it, when he was privately discussing poland conquering with stalin, and he said something related in the public channel where poland was chatting casually with other countries
12:52.43G0Ahmm where do our bot log the this chat channel? I want to search something from last day:)
12:52.44Zoldenthen he was like "just kidding you, stupid"
12:53.06G0Adid that really happen?
12:53.11Zoldenyea!
12:53.35JademusSregChanged the pupil-like region. It's difficult to give protoss derp facial expressions, as they have so few facial features.
12:53.39G0Aneed to wiki that.D
12:54.32Vindicatorit happened to me in phantom mode too :)      Gotta love it when ur like "Oh nice, it's good to know your the other phantom." in public
12:54.32ZoldenG0A: if they didn't add this episode to wiki, you can do it, these wiki editors always forget some facts
12:56.33G0Aahh to much text to search through
13:01.47Dogmaifml
13:01.51Dogmaii should have been there
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13:10.42Dogmai~seen blizz-artestru
13:10.48purlblizz-artestru <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 5d 14h 33m 22s ago, saying: 'Ahli: If that's the case, then you shouldn't pay attention to what I just said.  :)'.
13:10.48Dogmai~seen blizztenarsis
13:10.48purlblizztenarsis <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 19d 11h 1m 40s ago, saying: 'going to go, cya tomorrow'.
13:10.51Dogmai~seen blizz-deletarius
13:10.51purlblizz-deletarius <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 16d 20h 58m 40s ago, saying: 'I believe it is possible, but I'm not exactly sure which actor message it is'.
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13:12.46Zolden~seen john-lennon
13:12.47purli haven't seen 'john-lennon', Zolden
13:13.17Zoldenbecause he's hiding in south america
13:13.43Dustin|Work~seen Sasquatch
13:13.44purlsasquatch is currently on #maemo (12h 51m 41s), last said: 'DocScrutinizer: IFS=: set -- $PATH ; echo $*  # :-)'.
13:14.03Bommessamwise didier such a baller :D
13:14.55Ahlihttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402406 all invade SEA
13:15.48Bommesno need, using editor dependencies is open for all regions
13:15.52Ahlimore than 48.9gb is required.... wol launcher... what do you plan to do? :X
13:15.53Zoldendind't they disable global play?
13:15.56Bommesand I won't start campaign before launch event is over
13:16.39Zoldenis there kerrigan-disguised sexy ladies on launch event?
13:18.11Dustin|WorkWooooo hots tonight
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13:18.57Zoldenguys, I ask again in case any of you know the exact answer: shuold I dl hots client or wol will update itself?
13:19.00AhliI need more tabs open... I keep closing them :S
13:19.14Ahliby accident when I try to switch tabs
13:21.04Dustin|WorkZolden
13:21.18Dustin|WorkI DLed the HOTS client installer, and it wouldnt, run it just brought up the WOL launcher
13:21.46ZoldenI see
13:22.06Dustin|WorkSo im pretty sure the majority of the data is there
13:22.17Zoldenactually, wol updated itself today, but bnet still has wol logo, and no signs of hots campaign in campaign section
13:22.18Dustin|WorkIt'll just be an account flag im sure
13:24.14Bommeslol that white ra video
13:24.27duckieshmm?
13:24.29Zoldenwhat white ra video
13:24.30Bommesshowing old submarines on hots launch video just because he can
13:24.39Bommeswww.twitch.tv/starcraft
13:25.34Ahliand old russian tanks
13:27.46duckieszolden, I'm pretty sure they just added 6gb of hots to everyones wol directory
13:28.15duckiesmods + campaign folders have lots of hots stuff
13:28.23Ahliand require 48gb during installation because they can
13:28.43Bommesdoes it install only after you open the client with HotS?
13:28.48Bommesand then you have to download another thing?
13:28.50Bommesor how does it work?
13:29.07Bommesthey probably just forgot a point
13:29.13Bommesit's 4.8GB and not 48
13:29.13duckiesa long time ago wol direcory took only around 6 gb, now it's 16.4 :D
13:29.18Ahliit's 48 :D
13:29.29AhliI had to delete firefall to be able to install this "patch"
13:29.33Bommesyeah a mistake obviously
13:29.36Bommes:D
13:29.40Dustin|Workdeleted firefall? :(
13:29.49Bommesbut might be because of a typo missing point
13:29.49AhliI didn't play it
13:29.56Dustin|WorkI hardly ever play it too
13:30.12Dustin|WorkIt's not what I had imagined in my mind when they were showing it off before beta
13:30.13Bommesbut did the patch only pop up after you entered the SEA client?
13:30.25duckieswhat patch? :/
13:31.07AhliI started sc2... dude we need to optimize, begin or quit
13:31.28Zoldengod, his english is aweful
13:31.58duckiesI also love that optimize message "in most times it reduces install size on your computer" ->add 2+gb to folder
13:32.00Bommesyo leave White Ra alone
13:32.02Bommeshe is the best
13:33.28Zoldenwhy everybody invite husky, but not that hd starcraft guy
13:34.43Ahlidid hdstarcraft do stuff after wol beta? :D
13:35.06Ahlisomehow he was left behind for some reason :S
13:35.13Zoldeni guess... why whould he stop, he liked it
13:35.31BommesI love how Day9 has reasoning behind interviewing 3 times longer questions than the answers
13:35.35BommesI always thought he just likes to talk
13:38.18Ahli56gb sc2 folder.... np np np
13:38.35BommesoO what patch is this
13:38.39Bommeswhy
13:38.40Bommeswhat did you do
13:38.46duckiesahli, which folder takes so much space? :o
13:38.54Ahlireconfiguring game files...
13:39.02Ahlialso dropped from 50 to 49.5
13:39.03Ahli%
13:39.10Bommescrazy
13:39.12Bommesdem bugs
13:39.23Ahlicampaigns
13:39.41Ahliit installs all localizations for me
13:39.43duckiesmy NA campaign folder is just 9gb
13:39.47duckiesoh
13:39.50duckieswtf why? :D
13:40.04AhliI don't know :D
13:41.25Ahliso, seems like I loaded th entirety of hots... time to buy hots?
13:41.50Bommesdo you have to pay like 400$ for that now because you have to buy each localization separately?
13:42.02BommesI mean that would totally sound like something Blizzard would program into it
13:49.28Vindicatoryou don't have the buy the localizations seperately anymore
13:50.12Vindicatormy install folder is freaking 49gb now... all the locales are there.  you can change regions (though as u can see on the login screen global play is disabled while HotS launches)
13:50.14duckiesexcept if you're russian, then you do :D
13:51.06Vindicatorare you being serious or joking?
13:51.42Vindicatorbecause if that's the case for some weird reason, then worst case scenario you can buy the NA version and get everything
13:51.56VindicatorChina is the only region seperated as far as i know
13:52.12duckiesI'm pretty sure russian-specific version is cheaper and thus locked to have only russian locale. You can probably have global play, but language is always ru
13:52.25duckiesbut you were talking about localizationa and not regions xD
13:53.19Vindicatoroh well, ya, that's the same for us too. we keep english if we switch to other regions, but i said localizations just because u can publish to any locale
13:53.44Vindicatoryou aren't locked to publish to only the russian locale because you can only see it
13:54.02duckiesdid you guys manually add that region xml file before global play went public? maybe that's why you're downloading 49gbs?
13:54.40Vindicatortwo weeks ago or so before i even knew what the region xml file was, i downloaded an update that put me to 30GB
13:54.59duckiesoh
13:55.21Vindicatori will say however my region is " ??? " in variables.txt so maybe that has something to do with it if it's not happening to everyone... though i think that's a bit of a stretch
13:55.55Vindicatormaking region " ??? " in variables.txt is just supposed to make ur game launch based on the region specified in the folder ur launching sc2 from
13:57.25Ahlijust switched to SEA server :D
13:59.06duckiescan still use global play ahli?/
13:59.39Ahlisimon's f*cking relocalizer
13:59.58duckiesoh :D
14:00.20Ahliok, how much did I f*ck up because I started giropay and now I realize that I have no giropay?
14:00.27Vindicatori'd be careful with the relocalizers.  i tried one from teamliquid a few months back and the checks that sc2 does to your game when u try to publish are screwed over
14:00.31Vindicatorand it won't let u publish
14:00.49Vindicatoreverything else seemed all good though, so for most people it wouldn't have been an issue
14:06.03Zoldenfirst hots mission made for retarded
14:06.27duckiesyou're playing it?
14:06.38Zoldenyea
14:06.39Zoldenon sea
14:06.53Zoldenfeels good though
14:06.58duckiesyou got hots license, right?
14:07.04Zoldenyea
14:07.45duckieswhat about click response delay?
14:08.53Zoldendidn't notice anything lagging
14:10.03duckieso well, ~12 more hours for me T_T
14:10.44duckiesI guess I should use this time to clean up my place and prepare food for tomorrows use :|
14:12.48Ahlineed to do that, too
14:12.56Zoldenlol
14:13.01Ahliwhile monitoring the progress of my order that should fail
14:13.38Ahlialso buying 2 light bulbs... I've no more light in my bathroom since yesterday
14:19.09Zoldenwell, actually there is a little delay, now I feel it, it's tiny enough to not ruin the comfort playing
14:19.35Zoldenthis chat has higher delay between pressing enter and seeing the message
14:22.58AhliI'm fascinated by the stream... "the goal of starcraft is not always to win, but to drive your opponent insane"
14:23.43Ahlibrb, taking a shower with a torch
14:27.28ZoldenAhli: use candles, like our ancestors
14:29.09Zoldenok, i'm satisfied with the first mission
14:29.29Zoldenreturned to mapping
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14:36.55AhliI have no cancles
14:38.52Ahli*candles
14:39.24Zoldenit's very optimistic of you
14:39.40Zoldenlike there is no apocalypsis probability
14:40.26Ahliif there is an apocalypse, I think I would die :D
14:42.26Zoldenthe existance of the "postapocaliptic" term implies that some people may survive and want candles
14:44.20Bommes"EZGTFO"
14:44.26Bommes"That pretty much solidifies it"
14:44.26Bommes:D
14:46.51Bommesthat stream
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15:07.47G0Ahey guys anyone know a good model in SC2 which would make look units as buildings if I put it under them? I need it my NSS map for example under these Banelings: http://s8.postimage.org/9tlr9hef9/Screenshot2012_09_30_20_25_26.jpg
15:10.12duckiesgoa, does that model show up on the lowest graphical settings?
15:10.35duckiessince I remember that decals and things that stick to the ground didn't
15:11.34Zoldenduckies: aoe cursor are splats and are visible on low, right?
15:11.53Ahlilowered supply depot
15:11.58duckiesmust be zolden
15:12.31duckiessince cursors are pretty important >.>
15:14.10duckiesthat terran tarmac(?) is what was used in many maps as base for buildings so I think it's pretty accepted
15:14.11G0Aduckies it doesnt show up on low effects setting
15:14.28G0Ayeah its terran tarmac
15:14.30duckiesyea, that's the only issue that can be with it
15:14.31Zoldendemonstrates red nuclear point cursor near duckies
15:15.05duckiescasts ForceField on zolden, pushing him away and messing up his targeting
15:15.06G0AI want something that would like as if it would be holding the unit
15:15.31duckiespipes, scaled vents?
15:16.00ZoldenG0A: maybe you need exactly the same thing, but a bit heighted, like it's a pedestal
15:16.07Ahlia force field?
15:16.44G0Ahmm
15:19.31Zoldenany interesting on that hots launch event stream?
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15:29.27Zoldenguys, anyone remember any sc2 model that look like a flask/bottle/grenade?
15:29.56duckiesmolotov missile?
15:32.08Zoldenyea, ty
15:37.40Ownagecan someone help me with my first import from sc2mapster
15:37.59OwnageI downloaded a unit called dark vindicator and now I'm wondering how to import it
15:38.23ZoldenF9, ctrl + I
15:38.35Zoldenimport textures and the model
15:38.43Ownagewhat's the Import Path supposed to be set to
15:38.56Zoldenimport to root
15:39.05Ownage<PROTECTED>
15:39.10Zoldenthen move textures to the appropriate path
15:39.21Ownageit's just blank now and it allows me to type into it
15:39.31Zoldenjust ctrl + I, uncheck all, check the files, OK
15:39.39Zoldenthey'll be in root
15:39.52Ownageuhh ok I imported them
15:40.00OwnageI see a texture picture now
15:40.06Ownageso how can I use this unit now?
15:40.11Zoldennow move textures to the path they supposed to be, save
15:40.23Ownagewhat do you mean by that
15:40.33OwnageI'm in import window, I have document files:
15:40.40Zoldendoes the model look violet or textured?
15:40.56Ownageand in there I have 2 m3 files and then a folder called assets/textures/ with dds files in it
15:41.22Zoldenselect m3, is model visible/textured?
15:41.28Ownageoh
15:41.33Ownagethe portrait looks good
15:41.42Ownageand 'dark' looks violet
15:42.19Ownagethere's two m3s. One is vindicator portrait which is a weird 3d image of a torso looking out a window
15:42.27Ownageand the other is a violet version of the unit
15:42.28Zoldenok, save, close editor, open editor, check again
15:45.07Ownageyeah now it looks good
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15:46.03Ownageso I guess I need to add a unit now?
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15:47.16AndroUserO hi
15:47.38xcorboHi
15:48.24Zoldento use a model you need to create a model under models tab and put the model into model's model field
15:49.35xcorboSo many models
15:50.02OwnageOK I did that part
15:50.19Ownageart:model I chose the one that was previously violet and now looks good, the m3
15:54.07Ownagenow what do I need, an actor?
15:56.15Ownageshould I copy dark templar's actor?
15:56.25Zoldenu need a tutorial on how to create a unit from scratch
15:56.40Ownageyeah do you know where I could get one?
15:56.50Zoldenchat questions are effective if you know basics, tutorials are more effective for noobs
15:57.02Zoldensearch on forum in the tutorials section
15:57.45OwnageI was thinking this was going to be a unit
15:57.50Ownagedo people make whole units?
15:59.55sharf224?
16:01.45JademusSregWhole?
16:02.16BommesBounty shoutout inc on 40k viewer stream
16:02.17Bommes:>
16:02.56xcorboMan
16:03.09xcorboA few more hours till hots
16:03.35xcorboIm going to get off work. Dinner. Sleep and wake up at 1am :D
16:04.02Taintedwisp1 am?
16:04.11Taintedwispnot going to get up for midnight launch
16:04.13Taintedwisp?
16:04.19Zoldenfinished 1st hots mission yet
16:04.36Taintedwispslaps zolden with kerrigans titties
16:05.13xcorbo1Am is when it starts my time
16:05.13JademusSregTaint, your suggestion was implemented. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/Captain%20Zealotron.jpg
16:05.18xcorboI am gmt-6
16:06.09twodiehmmm anyone got a clue why when morphing to other unit the Size of Model data is reseted?
16:06.28twodieso when morphing back to same unit from other unit the scale is changed
16:06.40Zoldenhttp://data.photo.sibnet.ru/upload/imggreat/128503417397.jpg
16:06.44JademusSregIs the scale in the actor or model?
16:06.45twodieohh i see alreadty
16:06.52twodiemodel
16:06.54JademusSreg*Was the scale set
16:07.04twodiebut now see that actor of one of the model is other
16:12.01Ahlidoes Blizzard send me a mail, if the transaction failed?
16:12.08Ahlibecause I've no giropay?
16:12.29xcorboNo
16:12.37Taintedwisphah jademus
16:12.39xcorboYou simply dont receive a confirmation
16:12.47xcorboThat it went through
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16:13.38xcorboCheck your account if it changed to standard heart of the swarm type then it went through and you should receive confirmation email in like 15minutes
16:13.42JademusSregI spent a great deal of time perfecting its serene, uterrly vacant expression.
16:13.48JademusSreg*utterly
16:14.06xcorboOtherwise, if you dont have hots type it did not go through and no email at all
16:14.10Ahliif it fails they don't send you a mail and state that it failed and that you should try another payment option or contact my bank?
16:14.14xcorboAt least that was for me ;o
16:14.30AhliI can't accidentially buy hots twice, can I?
16:14.42xcorboHmm
16:14.55Erik_Is there a reason to pre-order HotS at this point? Like background downloading of all data or something?
16:15.10Erik_Or could I just wait until a couple of hours after release
16:15.10Ahliif you have wol you load hots already
16:15.17Erik_Yeah, that's what I thought
16:15.20Ahlilike just now
16:15.29xcorboDont think so. Only one hots can be assigned to yiur acc
16:15.34xcorboHuh?
16:15.44xcorboWhat was that about wol?
16:15.48AhliI have no hots assigned and I've all the entiry hots
16:16.13Ahliloaded it before I did any preorder, etc...
16:16.39AhliI've 35,8 gig of campaign data :D
16:16.48Ahliit loaded all locales for some reason
16:21.19twodiei ahve some hots data downloaded of 6gb for no reason in sc2 updates forlder
16:21.22xcorboLol
16:21.35xcorboI have that too
16:21.48Ahlithat's the background download
16:21.51xcorboBut i did get hots
16:21.53xcorboWait
16:21.56Ahlibasically that's hots
16:22.01Ahlieveryone loads hots
16:22.03xcorboSo i do not have hots dled?
16:22.08xcorboOh
16:22.26twodiefor what?
16:22.31xcorboAnyway, ahli, i did not get hots standard account until i upgraded my acc
16:22.34twodieyou cant use it and takes space :/
16:22.59Ahlifor starter edition that should be available...
16:23.15xcorboBut,no when my transaction did not get through (debit card with no money) i didnt get  a failure email
16:23.50xcorboYou do receive a confirmation email, though
16:24.12xcorboYou should try a webchat
16:24.18xcorboWith support
16:25.26Ahliwhere is the support chat?
16:26.19Ahliwell, I'm EU, I don't think that exists for me
16:26.38Ahlior in wol?
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16:31.02Ahliok, I think this was my gfx card crashing the computer during sc2 login screen
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16:36.42xcorboWhy would not it?
16:36.58xcorboI am in el salvador
16:37.08xcorboAnd they had support chat for me
16:37.19xcorboIts an option when you submit a ticket
16:37.24twodie.
16:37.30xcorboYou cab choose the way of contacting them
16:37.54xcorboThey usually answer tickets within 20minutes in work hours too, though
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16:47.45xcorboAlso if your vfx crashes on log in... that is never good for tomorrow ;o
16:48.14AhliI know I know :D
16:48.37Ahlithat's why I hope that someone arrives tomorrow with my new card
16:48.51Ahlielse I play on low on this computer (high was working before this update)
16:49.03Ahlior I just play on my laptop on low
16:52.49Ahliwaiting in chat now
16:53.19xcorboI still dont know why reqs have increased
16:53.29xcorboIts basically the same game with more data
16:53.44Ahli2.0.4 patch updated engine
16:53.53xcorboIf any the new engine should have optimized the client not make it more intense
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16:54.08Ahliwrong button :S
16:54.09Zoldenmaybe physics now consume more
16:54.10xcorboLol ahli
16:54.42Ahliyou can turn physics off
16:54.52Ahliso it's a marginal increase I guess
16:55.36Zoldentheoretically it should be possible, in art tools docs they say that physics engine is third party lib
16:55.53xcorboEven turning it off i get i am slowing down tbe game messages
16:56.14Ahliwell, they might have changed more
16:56.38Ahliyou could ask the blizz guys when they return
16:57.08xcorboWhat?
16:57.08Zoldeni'm waiting for them soon, since they usually come after major events
16:57.09AhliI guess if they run out of things to fix quickly they return to gather feedback from us
16:57.13xcorboBlizz guys?
16:57.25Tricerondeletarius and artestru
16:57.30Ahliand tenarsis
16:57.35xcorboOh thats right
16:57.36Triceronthey pop in ever so often
16:57.52Triceronprolly more often after HOTS launches
16:58.01Ahliafter crunch time ^^
16:58.32Ahlibut after release they have to fix all problems asap... so I don't expect them to be here as much as they did a few months back
16:59.12Triceronso did anyone else watch the HOTS cinematics (no spoiler talk)
16:59.16xcorboAhh
16:59.54Ahlino, also don't spoiler me
17:00.01AhliI was able to resist
17:00.09sharf224what do I need to do to add text to a dialog?
17:00.12Ahliduckies quit because of you now :D
17:00.21Triceronhaha
17:00.26TriceronI'm not gonna spoil anything
17:00.31TriceronI'm just gonna say
17:00.38Zoldensharf224: create a label
17:00.40TriceronEVERYONE DIES AT THE END!
17:00.47JademusSregHAhaha
17:01.01xcorboLol
17:01.07Ahlimutalisks fly into a vortex
17:01.10Zoldendeath is naturla, especially on war
17:01.25TriceronI thought you said you didn't watch the cinematics Ahli
17:01.30Triceron;)
17:01.32xcorboBut i have not watched it
17:01.34AhliI watched leaked ending and screenshots
17:01.47xcorboI mean i watched the supposed leaked ending like 2 years ago
17:01.52xcorboWas that real?
17:01.53Zoldeni even resisted playing hots
17:02.46TriceronI hadn't touched the beta at all
17:02.47G0Ais any of the servers online?
17:02.56Triceronlooking forward to HOTS esports tho
17:03.11ZoldenG0A: sea is online
17:04.02Triceronreally hoping the new strategies gets players playing creatively again
17:04.03Zoldenand it let us play campaign
17:04.17TriceronSEA has HOTS already?
17:04.21Zoldenyea
17:04.23Triceronwow
17:04.58xcorboReally???
17:05.01G0Ahmm http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=138846
17:05.01TriceronI wanna see if I can find a stream of someone playing through the campaign
17:05.10G0AI cant connect SEA with editor
17:05.12xcorboOh god no
17:05.29G0Aahh now I managed to connect
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17:05.39Triceronlove the new HOTS music :D
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17:17.49TriceronDo we know how many new tilesets are in HOTS?
17:18.13Triceronforgot to check that in the beta editor if they were in
17:18.58xcorboIsnt there just 3 more
17:19.02xcorboZerus
17:19.07xcorboProtoss tikeset
17:19.11xcorboAnd niffleheim
17:19.18ThunderLordAND ICE!
17:19.34Triceronso ice jungle and protoss installation
17:19.35Triceronokay
17:19.36Triceronthx
17:20.14Triceronthey should make a flesh level
17:20.22TriceronZerg installation
17:20.38Triceronlike the last levels of Contra
17:20.58ThunderLordis anyone else pumped for HOTS
17:21.09TriceronI'm holding out
17:21.15ThunderLordi have fucked up my sleep schedule so that i can wake up at 2AM this morning when it goes live XD
17:21.28G0Arofl
17:21.44G0A50 gig space needed and I only hav 10 gig, fucking shit
17:21.49ThunderLordits 12:30 and im about to fall asleep
17:21.53ThunderLord50 G???
17:22.01G0A48.9
17:22.08ThunderLordwait, can we start predownload now?
17:22.10Tricerontake a nap
17:22.13ThunderLordwhat the hell did blizzard add
17:22.13G0AI guess it will make a safety copy
17:22.15ThunderLordCant take nap
17:22.35ThunderLordgotta sleep at 4 PM so i can wake up 8 hours later at midnight
17:22.43ThunderLordgiving me 2 hours to prep myself
17:22.46ZoldenG0A: uninstall sc2, install sc2 -> less then 20 mb sc2 folder with last patch installed
17:22.59Triceronchug some nyquil
17:23.02ThunderLordcan we predownload now?
17:23.23Zolden*gb
17:23.24Ahlijust start WoL now
17:23.26ThunderLordi gotta go to class in 30 min XD
17:23.35ThunderLordoh
17:23.37ThunderLordlets see it
17:23.46Ahlieveryone loads hots
17:23.58Ahliand I load all localizations because the launcher thought I'm special
17:25.36Zoldenbecause the launcher thought u're polyglot
17:26.26xcorboHey
17:26.55xcorboI am a polyglot and the launcher did not do that for me :(
17:27.52Bommeshttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/requests/49883-request-really-basic-physics-model/#p1 in case a modeller in here hasn't seen it yet and has some time to help/is interested to make this thing
17:28.03Ahlion my laptop it fails to load a required file
17:28.13Ahliy u no more info? -.-
17:29.15xcorboLol
17:30.10Ahlisc2switcher.exe is at least preparing game data
17:30.43TaintedwispI WANNA WORK ON EVO FRENZY SOOOOO BAD
17:30.56TaintedwispBut i dunno if my triggerer did the leaderboard or if he blew me off -_-
17:30.57Taintedwisp:P
17:31.08TaintedwispI handed him everything over skype last friday, and havent heard back from him
17:31.43Ahliluzz?
17:31.48Ahliluzzotica?
17:32.41iMisuid blow you off >.>
17:33.24xcorboWell that did not sound well
17:33.56iMisuIf your first name is dick and your last name is Gaywood, i guess so.
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17:35.37mille25heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey
17:35.42JademusSreg=D
17:36.05Taintedwispimisu thats kinda gay
17:36.10Taintedwispsaying you would blow a dude off
17:36.11TaintedwispKinda gay
17:36.33TaintedwispNah Ahli Luzz quit the team/replaced a couple months ago
17:36.34Taintedwisp:P
17:36.37TaintedwispHe didnt have the time
17:36.39xcorboKinda?
17:36.40TaintedwispSOulcarverr came back
17:36.49TaintedwispOkay taz your a gay creeper
17:36.54Taintedwispbetter corbo?
17:37.32TaintedwispImma go cook me a turkey burger in a minute
17:37.32Ahliwhy do you need so many triggerers? can't you just do it yourself? you making a massing map... can't be much that you could add to it...
17:37.41Taintedwisp:)
17:37.51TaintedwispI go through great lengths to make things just right ahli :P
17:37.55TaintedwispAnd my triggers fucking suck
17:37.56Taintedwisphaha
17:38.11Taintedwispplus when my triggerer is working it gives me a break
17:38.20Taintedwispi work 2-6 hours a day on the map when I work on i t:P
17:38.38Taintedwispsometimes 8+ hours when I really grind through
17:39.52TaintedwispSpeaking of making things right... my events are fucked
17:39.53iMisuTaintedwisp has like 15 mb in triggers in his map
17:39.53Taintedwisphaha
17:39.55iMisulol
17:39.59Taintedwispnah
17:40.02TaintedwispI dont have that much triggers
17:40.04Taintedwisp:P
17:40.05iMisuDont say nah, i saw it
17:40.17TaintedwispI have a sophisticated leaderboard
17:40.24xcorbo2-6 Hours a day and you have not finished a massing map?
17:40.26Taintedwispand some other systems which are a bit.... different
17:40.30Taintedwisp:)\
17:40.46TaintedwispCorbo I do a lot of retextures each of which take 2-12 hours depending
17:40.59TaintedwispRetextures asset trimming, buttons, etc
17:41.00xcorboRetextures?
17:41.13Taintedwisp1 sec
17:41.15xcorboWhat do you mean with that?
17:41.23xcorboRetextures...
17:41.35Taintedwisphttp://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain038_zpsed266dc9.jpg
17:42.11Taintedwispthose are the final ones, but each unit had 5-8 variations I created.
17:42.46Taintedwisphttp://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain102_zps86b831ac.jpg   SPIDERLISK
17:42.48Taintedwisp:))
17:43.07Taintedwisphttp://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain100_zpse6e37af5.jpg
17:43.34TaintedwispEach unit has 2-4 buttons i have ripped from wc3 or wherever and altered them to fit in sc2. and several other things
17:43.44TaintedwispPlus when I started my knowledge of the editor was abysmally minor
17:43.48xcorboSo all those took you 12 hours. Seems about right. What did you do the next day then?
17:44.01AhliWhen I started my diablo map, my knowledge was minor
17:44.19Taintedwisptbh corbo my work on the map was like this
17:45.14xcorboListening
17:45.22xcorboOr more like reading
17:45.23TaintedwispStarted nov 2011 with no knowledge, I did a litle bit of work, then went through waiting on teammates so put it on hold came back summer 2012, Said fuck it for a few more months killed the entire team, then sept 2012 came back and did quite a bit till nov 2012 then stopped until mid jan 2013 :P
17:46.13Taintedwispsept- nov i had a reliable team who had shit to do in nov, they both quit I got a new team who fucked around and wasted my time :P
17:46.30Ahlijust do it yourself
17:46.37TaintedwispJan 13th I canned the newest team got back both members of the old team :P have done the vast majority each time :\  still hate triggers though
17:46.47TaintedwispI could, but I would rather work with a team :P
17:46.51Ahlimost of the time freelancer teams won't work
17:47.16TaintedwispIts not much of ability, as it is ideas, I like working with a team to keep fresh ideas circulating
17:48.10xcorboHmmm
17:48.14Taintedwispthat and I fucking hate triggers :P
17:48.21sharf224lol
17:48.23TaintedwispI am solid with data, but I hate triggers with a passion
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17:48.29TaintedwispI can do them... but I freakin hate them
17:48.30xcorboYou know in wol i was too busy making tutorials or resources
17:48.30sharf224I like triggers i'm just learning still :P
17:48.40ThunderLordin map with less than 100,000 lines of trigger script does not deserve to be called a map
17:48.40xcorboI think its tine for me to make a map
17:48.41ThunderLordXD
17:48.50xcorboScrew helping the community
17:49.03ThunderLord:D
17:49.05Taintedwispcorbo just do both :P
17:49.13Taintedwispthats what I do, I troll, map and help newbs
17:49.17xcorboNo time.
17:49.20Taintedwispbest thing ever
17:49.25Taintedwispa lot more relaxing :P
17:49.30ThunderLordyeah, i make maps and help misu
17:49.30ThunderLordXD
17:49.32TaintedwispI can multitask all three
17:49.33Taintedwispwatch
17:49.38Taintedwispfuck you thunderlord
17:49.40Taintedwisphows your map going?
17:49.41Taintedwisp:P
17:49.45xcorboWell, i dont just sit all day in fornt of my computer
17:49.47ThunderLordfuck you TaintedWisp
17:49.50ThunderLordpretty good
17:49.52ThunderLordhbu?
17:49.53Taintedwisp:))
17:49.56Taintedwisppretty good
17:50.10ThunderLordlol
17:50.26TaintedwispI JUST WANT TO KNOW IF HES DONE WITH MY FREAKIN LEADERBOARD~!!!!
17:50.34TaintedwispI HAVE WORKING FUCKING HERO GLOW I WANT TO PUT IN
17:50.40TaintedwispWORKING HERO GLOW!!!!!!
17:50.48Taintedwispzolden fixed that shit thunderlord
17:50.56ZoldenTaintedwisp: in hots campaign they use hero glows
17:50.58Triceronwhats it look like
17:51.04Taintedwispit looks shitty zolden
17:51.06TaintedwispFrom the video
17:51.10TaintedwispAnd its not team colored
17:51.10sharf224hero glow?
17:51.16ThunderLordNO FUCKING WAY
17:51.17TaintedwispHERRRROOOO HGRRROOOOO
17:51.18ThunderLordHEROGLOW IN HOTS
17:51.21Triceronthe glow around a heros feet in War3
17:51.27ThunderLordIM SO FUCKING PUMPED FOR THAT GAME!!!!!
17:51.29Taintedwispyeah the hero glow in hots looks like shit though
17:51.32sharf224ah
17:51.41Triceronscreenies of HOTS version?
17:51.50sharf224they tainted, can you give me a quick run down of how to put flames on au nits weapon?
17:51.53sharf224can't get it to work
17:52.10ThunderLordAHHHHHHHH, how much longer?
17:52.12ThunderLord13 hours
17:52.13ThunderLordfuck
17:52.16Tricerongo to sleep
17:52.20ThunderLordI WILL
17:52.25ThunderLordIN 4 hours
17:52.26Triceronnow.
17:52.27Taintedwispsharf create a new model actor
17:52.28ThunderLordi got class in 5 min
17:52.46TaintedwispHosting site operations field add new to array, then Sopattachweapon
17:52.55TaintedwispThen unitbirth.unitname, msg create
17:53.03Taintedwispset the model to whatever you want
17:53.05TaintedwispI use fire medium
17:53.24TaintedwispNOT ALL MODELS HAS ATTACH POINTS
17:54.40ThunderLordim not going to make it...
17:55.16TaintedwispWAIT
17:55.19TaintedwispTHATS NOT HERO GLOW
17:55.22TaintedwispBLIZZARD FUCKING FAILS
17:55.23Taintedwisphttp://media.blizzard.com/sc2/media/screenshots/char03-large.jpg
17:55.25ThunderLordITS HERO GLOW
17:55.26Taintedwispits fucking particles
17:55.32Taintedwispcoming from the center
17:55.36ThunderLordPARTICALS FOR THE WIN!
17:56.01ThunderLordmaybe we can just attach particals to whatever tho
17:56.05ThunderLordthat would be the best case
17:56.10Taintedwisphttp://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain035_zps6cfcbea7.jpg
17:56.12ThunderLordanyway
17:56.13Taintedwispthats hero glow
17:56.15ThunderLordi got class
17:56.18xcorboYeah, what is so speciL about that?
17:56.19ThunderLordC ya later
17:56.21TaintedwispThunderlord they are hard atached to the model
17:56.22Taintedwisp:P
17:56.29ThunderLordAFKThey were
17:56.38ThunderLordAFKbut maybe in HOTS we will get option to just attachment
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17:56.42Taintedwisp:P
17:56.46ThunderLordAFKafter all, they have been working on Blizz Dota
17:56.47ThunderLordAFKanyway
17:56.48ThunderLordAFKim late
17:56.49TaintedwispGET OUT QUEEN
17:56.50Taintedwisp:P
17:56.50ThunderLordAFKgotta go
17:56.51Taintedwispwhats up
17:56.52Taintedwispcya
17:56.54Taintedwispstay black
17:57.46sharf224I did whta you said
17:57.47sharf224no fire
17:58.08Taintedwispwhat model are you trying it on
17:58.09sharf224how do I know if it has attach points?
17:58.13sharf224prison zealot
17:58.22Zoldenhots hero grow: http://snag.gy/BKiKN.jpg
17:58.41QueenGambit227oops
17:58.43Taintedwispzolden thats some shitty hero glow
17:58.47Taintedwisp:P
17:58.50TaintedwispI like mione better
17:58.53Triceronit looks too light
17:58.58Taintedwisphttp://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain035_zps6cfcbea7.jpg'
17:59.01TaintedwispFUCKING BLINDING
17:59.03Taintedwisp:))
17:59.32Triceronthat's a bit blinding
17:59.42Triceronbut I can see it working in a game situation
17:59.43sharf224nice tainted
17:59.44Triceronmuch more readable
17:59.50Taintedwisp:)
17:59.54Triceronwho needs unit models
17:59.57Triceronwhen you have hero glow
18:00.01Triceronthat's what my map's gonna be
18:00.11Taintedwisp:P
18:00.15Triceronall fodder units, and the heroes you play are just hero glows
18:00.16sharf224so tainted
18:00.23sharf224how do I know if a model has attach points
18:00.27sharf224or how do I edit them
18:00.28sharf224etc.
18:00.40Taintedwispsharf if one doesnt work try another
18:00.41Triceronopen it up in cutscene editor
18:00.42Taintedwispand another
18:00.44Taintedwisp:P
18:00.48Triceronshow attachments (A)
18:00.48TaintedwispThats what I do
18:00.59duckiesoh right, campaign will also add tasty new icons, jum
18:01.08TaintedwispYo trice you gone through and checked out all the effects yet?
18:01.20Triceronwhat you mean
18:01.24TaintedwispThey have some REALLY nice ones that I didnt even know about, Because now the model viewer can show them animated
18:01.35Triceronoh, no I haven't yet
18:01.44TaintedwispYeah I went through there are some great ones
18:01.46TriceronI was looking through a few, love the feature
18:01.48Taintedwispwe can easily view them now
18:01.52Taintedwispyeah me too
18:01.52Tricerongives me a lot of new ideas
18:01.54WormJuiceAhli, liebling
18:02.01sharf224oh...got it
18:02.04Taintedwisp:P
18:02.06Triceronbut I kinda need more information to figure out how to do some of what they have
18:02.08sharf224zealot uses
18:02.11sharf224weapon left/right
18:02.23Ahliwho was WormJuice again? llilja or something?
18:02.58sharf224how do I show attachments in the cutscene editor?
18:03.04sharf224I can't find the attachmentso ption
18:03.05WormJuiceAhli, also sprach wormithustra
18:03.06JademusSregHighly likely.
18:03.07Triceronhotkey A
18:03.18sharf224that was friggen easy
18:03.19sharf224lol
18:03.21sharf224thank you
18:03.35Triceronnp
18:03.41Ahlifor model details: shift D or ctrl D or something
18:03.55Taintedwispfor your mother press B
18:03.55xcorboMmmmh
18:03.56Taintedwisp:P
18:03.57TriceronTainted seen my gnoll?
18:04.13Taintedwispyeah looks... really good, BUT
18:04.18Taintedwispsomething feels off about i
18:04.18Taintedwispit
18:04.23Taintedwispmight be the screenshot angle though
18:04.31AhliEU lunch event will come up soon
18:04.35Taintedwispi cant place my finger on it
18:04.42TaintedwispIts got like a shine around the outside edge
18:04.50TaintedwispMakes it look like a league of legends unit
18:04.56Taintedwispif its the one I am thinking about
18:05.36Triceronreally?
18:06.08Taintedwisplet me take 1 more look
18:06.13TaintedwispI was sleepy when I looked at it
18:06.25TaintedwispNVM
18:06.26Taintedwisp:OP
18:06.42Triceronlol
18:06.48QueenGtesting
18:06.50QueenGthere
18:06.50TaintedwispActually I think it could use a mild Specular for the metal pieces
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18:06.52Taintedwisp:)
18:07.02TriceronI haven't given it proper textures, I need to put some fur overlays on it so it's not as plain
18:07.09Taintedwispah
18:07.12Taintedwisp:P
18:07.21Taintedwisplooks good though
18:07.25Triceronthat's just the model with baked lighting and basic colors
18:07.28Triceronthx
18:07.34TaintedwispI still have my eye on that Grunt of yours :) thats the one I want :))
18:07.40Triceronhaha
18:07.48TriceronI actually went back and worked on it a bit
18:07.52Taintedwispthat grunt is sooo nostogia
18:07.55Triceronmade a bunch of new heads
18:08.06TaintedwispI like the classic warcraft 2 head of course :P
18:08.10sharf224ok so
18:08.17sharf224how do I tell what the name of the attachment points are?
18:08.20Triceronhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Heads_zpsa5f77410.jpg
18:08.37TriceronI wanna try a randomization system through data, hair and beard combos
18:09.16Taintedwisptriceron you would just import multiple models and use variations in the models tab
18:09.17Taintedwispwouldnt be hard
18:09.24Taintedwispjust look at the dark templars
18:09.28Triceronwell this system would use attachments
18:09.37Taintedwispahhh
18:09.42TaintedwispI would still want the classic :)
18:09.54TriceronI contemplated the method you're talking about, but it would mean making a separate model for each combination
18:10.04TaintedwispYou should let me grab that grunt when I make new heroes, I would love to make a footman and a grunt hero :))
18:10.20Ahlioh, I didn't write the solution to my wol updating problem: delete the "Agent" folder in C:\ProgramFiles\Battle.net\
18:10.20sharf224argh
18:10.28sharf224I can select the attachment point
18:10.33sharf224no idea how to find its value
18:10.44Ahlishift D
18:10.46TriceronI'm actually planning on releasing most of my models soon
18:10.50TaintedwispNICE
18:11.24Tricerongonna set up a new site, have em up for free and try to get something back through adverts or donations, and put up tutorials and other stuff on there eventually
18:11.29sharf224ok...then can a model attach to 2 points? or do I need to make 2 models?
18:11.39Ahliyay,,, any models fitting into my diablo map?
18:11.43TaintedwispAh cool
18:11.48TaintedwispHey DO me a favor :P
18:11.50Taintedwisp:))
18:11.59Triceronsure, if you wanna use Warcraft models for it :P
18:11.59TaintedwispCreate the berserker troll :P
18:12.09Taintedwispyou know how to do that?
18:12.11Triceronberserker troll?
18:12.16Taintedwispall it is, is facepaint on the troll model
18:12.25TaintedwispI mean I guess i  could do it if you release it
18:12.46Triceronmy axethrowers are already facepainted
18:12.52Taintedwispyeah you remember in wc2 you get the upgrade to transform the torll into face painted trolls
18:12.59sharf224omfg it's not working lol
18:12.59TriceronTC'd like the war2 ones
18:13.02Taintedwispdarn, you got any that arnet face painted for the unupgradesd :P
18:13.05Ahlido I own hots, if I can select hots in options?
18:13.06sharf224the attachment points are not working at all
18:13.45TriceronI dunno why, but they looked weird when I had their faces skin color
18:13.51Taintedwisp:))
18:13.55Triceronthey looked way better with facepaint after I got that converted
18:13.57sharf224so...weapon left is the ground below him...
18:14.03Zoldenwow, hots campaign is amazing
18:14.16Triceronyou playing it Zolden?
18:14.17TaintedwispYou should one day create my favorite model from warcraft 2
18:14.22TaintedwispThe turtle submarine
18:14.25Taintedwisp:))
18:14.26Zoldenanyone can play it on sea
18:14.26Triceronhaha
18:14.30Taintedwispi loved that hting
18:14.35Triceronwait what?
18:14.41Triceronanyone can play on SEA?!
18:14.49Zoldenyea, anyone
18:14.51Triceronyou don't need HOTS?
18:14.54Taintedwisphttp://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100106121656/wowwiki/images/f/f3/OrcTurtleWC2.gif
18:15.02Zoldenhots license is required i guess
18:15.11Triceronahh
18:15.21Taintedwisphttp://spriters-resource.com/pc_computer/warcraft2/giantturtle.png
18:15.36Tricerona shame water in SC2 is so difficult to work with tho
18:15.40Triceronno pathing for units
18:15.44Taintedwisp:))
18:15.47Taintedwispits not that hard
18:15.53TaintedwispJust set no pathing on the shore line
18:15.55Triceronworkarounds still suck
18:16.05Taintedwispor set no pathing and set the sea units to flying units
18:16.14Taintedwispand put no fly zones on the shore lines
18:16.42Tricerondoesn't that screw up regular flyers?
18:16.47Taintedwispi too hate water in sc2... dunno why they did that shit
18:16.47sharf224Im so confused
18:16.54TaintedwispYeah it does come to think of it :))
18:17.21TaintedwispI could whip up something in data though to make it safe for flyers but to restrict water creatures
18:18.13Triceronmaybe I'll do a land version of that unit
18:18.21Tricerona turtle with a rocket strapped on its back
18:18.24Triceronon wheels
18:18.31sharf224ok so...the attachment point on the model that says origin
18:18.31Taintedwisplol okie
18:18.38sharf224is where the fire is being attached for weapon right
18:18.40TaintedwispI could still hide the wheels underwater plus it would be awesome
18:18.42Taintedwisp:))
18:18.47sharf224and...the fire is staying on the ground when theu nit moves
18:18.52sharf224but weapon left works...
18:18.59Triceronand as a side, I have to say that freakin turtle boss looks so awesome in the new WoW raid
18:19.28Triceronhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnCRwzp4Iug
18:19.51sharf224wait a sec
18:20.01sharf224weapon left is weapon right...and weapon right is origin...
18:20.03sharf224the fuck?
18:20.16Zoldenhmm, wow now use emissive maps?
18:20.24TaintedwispTriceron didnt know you made a demon hunter
18:20.36Ahlido I really want to play hots campaign on low? :(
18:20.42Triceronthat was the first warcraft related model I made
18:21.11TriceronI'm trying to fit it into my map somehow, lol
18:21.16Triceroneven though it's war2-based
18:21.34Taintedwisphah
18:21.35TriceronFuck lore.  It's a freakin Demon Hunter!
18:21.38Taintedwisplol
18:22.02TaintedwispHey triceron how many warcraft units do you have?
18:22.35Triceronhmm
18:22.38Triceron~19?
18:22.49Taintedwispnice
18:23.07TaintedwispI might REMAKE EvoFrenzy once its finished with a grass scheme
18:23.19Taintedwispcreate a more warcraft based version
18:23.24Taintedwispjust a lot of model swaps really haha
18:23.38TriceronI need to stop making models
18:23.43Taintedwisp:P
18:23.50Triceronand work on making custom deaths and stuff for them
18:24.07TriceronI want each one of em to have spectacular death anims
18:24.29Taintedwispnice
18:24.36Zoldeni need to stop playing hots, it's not fair to future me who would like to play hots too
18:24.55Taintedwispdont forget to add proper attach points :P people love switching weapons and adding armor and such
18:25.43Triceronits kinda like the Diablo mentality.  The only time you care what your enemy looks like is when they get smashed in the face with a giant hammer
18:26.02Triceronyeah, i have to figure that out, whether or not to have weapons part of the model or not
18:27.00Triceronit'd be real good for visual weapon upgrades
18:27.08Triceronaxethrower stone axe -> metal axe
18:30.43sharf224ok...
18:30.53sharf224can someone give me a hand here
18:31.08sharf224I'm trying to attach a model to each blade on the dt with the double bladed thing
18:36.46xcorboHmmm
18:37.00xcorboI need rgb filters for my camera
18:37.07iMisumy gf dumped an entire gallon of milk on the floor
18:37.17iMisui came in and said no reason to cry over spilt milk
18:37.23iMisuand she threw the whole gallon at me :(
18:37.34xcorboLol
18:38.01xcorboHow did she do that,though
18:38.21iMisuapparently the handle tore off the jug
18:38.26xcorboPick up  the whole gallon just to throw it at you again ;o
18:38.28iMisufreak of nature shit
18:39.50iMisuhttp://i.imgur.com/1NfYHdp.jpg
18:40.10iMisuopds
18:42.14xcorboThats nice
18:42.44Ahlilooking good
18:43.20sharf224how do I change the camera angle to be lower in a camera?
18:43.50sharf224nvm
18:46.10Triceronare those all imported textures?
18:48.05Ahlifunny how they just don't use interfaces on their launch event
18:49.43Ahlislap me... graphics card arrives friday... -.-
18:49.44Triceronis that happening now?
18:49.54Zoldenomg, guys, don't play hots, it's too dramatic, it will make you cry
18:50.03xcorboThats pretty sad ahli
18:50.04AhliI can't play sc2 on my desktop :<
18:50.10Ahlilaptop it will be
18:50.20xcorboI fell you. I too have suffered playing in low
18:50.38xcorboDammit stupid cellphone
18:50.48xcorboDoes not type well :p
18:51.18Ahlibut I'm seeing a good hots showmatch right now
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18:52.57Ahlithat's what I get if I don't use overnight express for 20€...
18:52.59Ahli:S
18:55.14Taintedwispnice mr illuminati
18:55.27Taintedwispburger king is evil
18:55.37Taintedwispit has a fucking illuminati eye on the fucking door...
18:55.41Taintedwispfuck burger king
18:56.24TaintedwispFor anyone who doesnt know what that is its a symbol for devil worshippers pretty much
18:56.31Taintedwispits the pyramid with the eye
18:56.40Taintedwispits also on the back of your dollar...
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18:58.46QueenGoh i like the devil, hes my favorite evil
18:59.34JademusSreghttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/Photon%20Synergy%20Loadscreen.jpg
19:00.22RipperRooXhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAiJgdjKArg
19:02.41sharf224the illuminati eye on the door of burger king?
19:07.08sharf224oh god damn you blizzard
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19:09.34Zoldenlol
19:09.48Zoldeni thought that splinter head for tainted
19:10.36ZoldenJademusSreg: r u sure protoss people have eyebrows?
19:12.56JademusSregAbsolutely not.
19:13.20JademusSregHowever, without eyebrows, it looks much less idiotic.
19:14.40TaintedwispJademusSreg dont like it
19:14.56TaintedwispWAY WAY WAY WAY WAY too much text
19:15.52Taintedwispand the pink makes me question bounties sexuality
19:15.53Taintedwisp:))
19:15.59ZoldenJademusSreg: he reminded me this guy http://img7.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/full/Вонни-Своя-атмосфера-песочница-птчк-157077.jpeg
19:17.01Taintedwispalso the protoss looks more like a omuse then a protoss
19:17.03Taintedwisp:)
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19:18.30sharf224hmm...
19:18.35JademusSregAwesome pic, Zol.
19:18.38sharf224can I disable camera scroll/zoom via triggers?
19:19.14JademusSregWat is omuse?
19:19.42JademusSregsharf, yes. Disable camera input does the trick.
19:20.18Taintedwispohhh a mouse
19:20.19Taintedwisp:P
19:20.50JademusSreg"Desk-rodent"
19:20.57Taintedwispwtf...
19:21.01Dustin|Workmoose
19:21.03Dustin|WorkMouse = moose
19:21.05Taintedwispwho edited my signature -_-
19:22.00JademusSregThe important question is, of course: Is Captain Zealotron derpy enough?
19:23.01sharf224hrmm
19:23.25sharf224can I prevent a unit from being selected via triggers?
19:23.32sharf224or do i need to make a second unit?
19:23.55Triceroncaptain zealotroll
19:28.21sharf224wow I'm about to tell blizzard off
19:28.44sharf224this is the third consecutive time that starcraft has to be optomized in the past 10 minutes
19:29.09duckieshow dare they optimizing stuff >:/
19:30.34iMisu???
19:30.46iMisugo get solid state drives and stop crying
19:31.07iMisuomtimize my whole fucking hardrive , -5 seconds
19:32.36sharf224I have ssd
19:32.40sharf224so go fuck yourself lol
19:32.53iMisustop crying like a bitch then it takes less than 30 seconds
19:33.03sharf224takes about 20 minutes
19:33.06iMisuLOLOLOL
19:33.09sharf224and I can't even play
19:33.12sharf224because it keeps happening
19:33.26iMisubad
19:33.29iMisuu bad
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19:34.43tordycan i preload hots ?
19:36.01duckiesyou already did with latest optimization?
19:36.07tordyiunno
19:36.22duckiesyou did =D
19:36.25tordyis it automatically installed with latest WoL ?
19:36.38sharf224optimize
19:36.42sharf224install 2.0.5
19:36.43sharf224optimize
19:36.45sharf224the fuck
19:36.58tordyheh........!
19:37.02duckiesgo to wol install folder and check out mods and campaign folders
19:37.27duckiesyou'll notice some new 2 and 4 gb files  :P
19:37.52tordyahhh i see it now
19:38.29tordyholy jesus sc2 is 22GB
19:38.32tordydats huge
19:38.41tordy*24
19:38.59tordynvm it drpped to 190
19:39.00tordy19
19:39.09tordystill huge
19:39.20Ahlimaybe it's loading all locales for you too
19:39.26Ahlimy sc2 folder has 51gig now
19:39.27sharf224considering you still have to download everything from their servers when you play
19:39.36tordyD:::::
19:39.57G0Amy fucking sc2 folder is 44GB so dont complain!
19:40.07G0A(I need to reinstal this shit:)
19:40.11tordymines still optimizing so iunno how big the total is gonna be'
19:40.58tordyso do i need to upload my maps again for hots?
19:41.10tordyor are maps uploaded for WoL already shown for hots?
19:41.41iMisuGUYZ
19:41.49iMisuOPTIMIZE IS SO BAD
19:42.05sharf224how do I hide the HUD?
19:42.16sharf224the hide ui triggers just error for me...
19:43.02iMisusharf what ssd you have that takes 20 min ?
19:43.31duckieseh, I think I'll need to reinstall too, when global play came in for some reason it didn't unlock global publish :|
19:43.34sharf224dunno, never opened up my drive
19:43.40sharf224err my comp*
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19:44.02iMisubet your using some oem ssd
19:44.05Zoldenoptimisuize is so bad
19:44.09iMisuprolly 60mb/s read right
19:44.13iMisuwrite *
19:44.27iMisuhttp://i.imgur.com/IPzNLNu.jpg
19:44.31iMisuoem <
19:45.22tordyhow do you global publish?
19:45.52Zoldenpreferences -> battlenet -> change server
19:46.04Monkalizeryou publish the map in every region
19:46.04sharf224I have an adata xm11
19:48.29tordydo i need to upload my maps again for hots? or are the maps already listed under the same name?
19:48.58duckieshots and wol is the same b-net
19:49.19duckiesbut if you use hots dependency map becomes invisible for wol players
19:49.25tordyok
19:49.48tordythat's good to know
19:52.33sharf224ok...how do I change the background image of a dialog button?
19:52.52Ahlicorruption across map on stream :D
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19:54.52sharf224also...how do I test for button presses from dialogs?
19:55.45Ahlihow can you not test it?
19:56.02xcorboLol
19:56.17sharf224I mean
19:56.24sharf224how do I detect that it has been pressed
19:56.29duckiesevent: dialog item used
19:56.34QueenGhow about we not pick on sharf224 here hes trying to learn
19:57.13sharf224right but
19:57.14tordy11 hours till release?
19:57.14duckiesbut it's funny :D
19:57.18tordyi neeed to get this right!
19:57.26sharf224how do I detect a specific button?
19:57.38Ahliwhat duckies said as event and then you compare the used dialog item == yourDiablogItemOnThatDialogInAglobalVariable
19:57.39sharf224when creating them, I'm not seeing a way to define them, do I have to set variables?
19:57.47Zoldeninteresting will hots start for me on eu in 3 minutes?
19:57.58Ahliyou save them in variables, yes
19:58.03sharf224ok
19:58.07sharf224now...
19:58.32Ahlithere is a way that you don't need variables to save them, but I think variables are the actually the fastest way and easy to understand
19:58.39sharf224I have the buttons displaying, but they're blank, how do I give them an image? I've tried setting the last created item's actor, I've also tried using the <IMG> tag in the text
19:59.19AhliI would suggest you to create an image as a separate dialog item above the button
19:59.38sharf224hmm alright
20:01.06Ahli99k viewers of the EU launch :D
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20:02.46duckiesyay, toss won =D
20:02.46Triceronyay grubby!
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20:03.45Zoldenduckies: do you watch that launch event? didn't they recently say that hots is now available for mother russia players?
20:04.07duckiesI just came back last 20 min
20:04.26duckiessp no idea
20:04.34duckies*so
20:05.11Zoldenprepairing time machine to wait until hots almost launched and teleport duckies for 1 year in the past
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20:07.16sharf224ok...can't get the UI to hide
20:07.25duckieswonders if after being teleported to the past if locking up zolden in a rock would enable him to go back to the future since being stuck in a rock zolden wouln't be able to invent time travel in the first place
20:08.01sharf224but then
20:08.05sharf224since he never invented it
20:08.10sharf224you would never be back in time to lock him up
20:08.15sharf224so he would be able to invent it :x
20:08.40duckiesthat.. is interesting point
20:09.32Zoldensighs and turns time machine off, treatening into the skies with his fist
20:09.36duckiessneaks into the zoldens lair and reconfigures his time macien to act as muffin cooker instead
20:09.50duckieso well
20:10.45duckiesthat reminds me, I haven't eaten dinner yet, not good
20:11.16Zoldensues his security system provider for the failure in catching the intruding duck
20:12.10tordyhavent played sc2 inia  while
20:12.14sharf224is there an easy way to hide the UI besides turning every part off? I could swear there was a cutscene thing or something to hide it all
20:12.15tordydid they chang the in-game interface too?
20:12.20tordyno more buttons on toop left
20:12.33Taintedwisplooks up recipe for roast duck
20:12.35tordyweird gap on top right
20:12.36Ahliyes tordy
20:13.02tordyis ther this gap on top right  ?
20:13.05Zoldensatisfied with the apologies security system provider brought and watching workers fixing duck detector and installing new powerful antiduck lasers
20:13.07tordyon the resources panel
20:14.56Zoldensends to Taintedwisp his collection of roasted duck recipes
20:16.48ZoldenG0A: http://www.technologyreview.com/view/512381/astrobiologists-find-ancient-fossils-in-fireball-fragments/
20:17.33HP-X|Arthasepic montage
20:17.45Triceronmmm roast duck
20:18.23tordythere  a way to change the melee tips yet? >_>_>_>_>
20:19.35G0AZolden extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
20:20.31SkizotI hate you all.
20:20.37Skizotjust fyi.
20:20.53Taintedwispnotices a nice recipe and gets his knife to slice duckies head off
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20:22.00sharf224hrm...
20:23.25sharf224tainted
20:24.32tordysomeone name a map on bnet that doesnt have the UI modified and is updated to most recent patch?
20:25.44duckies:O white-ra!
20:25.55duckiesneed to make that food faster >.<
20:26.16tordysomeone name a map on bnet that doesnt have the UI modified and is updated to most recent patch?
20:26.18Taintedwisp?
20:26.29tordyname one Taintedwisp !
20:26.37Taintedwisptakes the beheaded duckies and places him into a pot with vegetables
20:26.38sharf224do you knoww off hand how you hide the UI during hero selection on evo?
20:26.47TaintedwispEVO-FRENZY
20:26.49Taintedwisp:))
20:26.55Taintedwispit has a couple dialogs but thats it
20:27.00tordydid u update it?
20:27.05tordyfor the latest patch?
20:27.08Taintedwispyeah
20:27.16tordydid u modify the UI in any way!?
20:27.28duckiesdrops a tear at a thought that somewhere a representetive of his species has died
20:27.29tordyif not, u just got your map a play!
20:27.32Taintedwispuhhh i dont think so, I have some custom dialogs and I hide the UI for a little bit
20:27.42TaintedwispI hide the UI for the first 40 seconds
20:27.45Taintedwispbut thats it
20:27.47Taintedwisp:P
20:27.52sharf224how do you hide it?
20:28.02TaintedwispSharf
20:28.07Taintedwisptheres a hide dialog function
20:28.17Taintedwispin triggers
20:28.20sharf224well I've found hide ui
20:28.24sharf224and I can disable each piece
20:28.26Taintedwispnot hide UI
20:28.30Taintedwisphide dialog
20:28.38sharf224and that hides the ui?
20:28.40Taintedwispthere should also be hide dialog item
20:28.47TaintedwispUI != Dialog
20:28.53TaintedwispUi == command panel
20:29.24sharf224how do I hide the command panel? lol
20:29.32Taintedwisphide UI function
20:29.48Taintedwispor enter cinematic mode I think
20:30.02sharf224I got it kind of via set screen to fullscreen
20:30.09sharf224that hides all but the resources and the menu buttons
20:30.32tordyBEEFY
20:30.58Taintedwisp:P
20:31.53ZoldenTriceron: I have a guy in skype, and he said he used his kinect device and some software to create a motion capture system which simply creates animation for a skeleton in max
20:32.07Triceronoh nice
20:32.25TriceronIheard about stuff like that before, it sounds awesome
20:32.31tordyis there this rather large gap between the resource panel and the top right of screen?
20:32.54Triceronbut it prolly spits out a ton of keys
20:33.23Zoldendunno, he sent me skeleton he made, need to check it
20:33.52tordyis there this rather large gap between the resource panel and the top right of screen?
20:34.54tordyBEEFY
20:34.58Taintedwispdoesnt seem so
20:34.59Taintedwisp:P
20:35.19tordythis codpiece gives me tender loins
20:36.19tordys
20:38.18TaintedwispTHIS THING IS FUCKING LIES
20:38.22TaintedwispWTF
20:38.25Taintedwispit says live...
20:38.32TaintedwispWTF why was it on 1.5.5 then...
20:38.34TaintedwispBULL SHIT
20:38.37Taintedwispit was the old UI
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21:06.07Ahli_yay, my card comes tomorrow 100%
21:10.32Ahli_http://i.imgur.com/IeD4GcM.jpg
21:11.00Zoldennice ones
21:14.01QueenGvery creative looking creatures Ahli_. Nice job
21:14.43Ahli_gj me copy pasting things from reddit
21:14.58JademusSregHaha
21:15.40Zoldenguys, if I want to give all units energy to another unit, I better use create healer effect, right?
21:16.10Dustin|WorkCreate Healer effects are fucking stupid
21:16.20JademusSregI've never understood the appeal of that effect type.
21:16.30Dustin|WorkIt just doesn't work
21:17.24Zoldenok, np
21:18.10Zoldeni used it alot, worked fine, but i flet a bit confused about the "give all eunt's energy to another unit" task, created a nice system of effects, and then thought about create healer
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21:24.02Triceronwatching someone play through the campaign, I'm really liking some of these HOTS missions
21:24.16Tricerongameplay looks pretty well done
21:25.24Ahli:D starcrafts
21:25.36Triceronraining marines!
21:25.47Zoldenyea, gameplay is cool, story is cool
21:25.59Zoldencinematics are always were cool
21:26.37Zoldencharacters are cool, i so much share silly kerrigan's pain
21:26.38Ahliman that kerri is ugly
21:26.58TriceronO_o
21:27.00Zoldenshe has a deep lowered sexy voice, it compensates
21:27.03Triceronwhat the hell is that?!  Kill it with fire
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21:28.46Zoldenrequirements can't check unit's energy? ;/
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21:35.24Ahlihttp://i.imgur.com/iyRwlGE.jpg
21:36.06Zoldenlol
21:36.18Dustin|WorkWtf is that
21:36.22Zoldenthey's better photoshop here to reveal boobs
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21:36.53Zolden*her
21:37.47Ahlipicture of the costume that they showed on EU launch party stream
21:37.58mille25hahahaha yeah that was horrible :D
21:38.19Ahliit's kerrigan in zerg form... there was a kerri in ghost form, too... but the suit wasn't as tight as in the usual pics
21:40.58Dustin|Workahh lol
21:41.49Triceronthere was actually a 3rd kerrigan cosplayer
21:41.51Triceronbut she was cloaked
21:42.16KubiSO
21:42.21KubiWHERES THE SCREENIE OF HOTS ASSETS
21:46.16AhliI won't do sh*t until I finished hots campaign
21:46.40AhliI don't want to spoil me narud and one char from scbw.
21:47.59duckiesthankfully blizz decided to include less missions in hots so we'll be able to get back to mapping rather soon =D
21:48.12Zoldenlol
21:48.49Zoldenmapster will become a deserted place for a few days
21:49.05Kubiand afterwards
21:49.37Ahlinah, just a day...
21:49.46Zoldenonly tumble-weeds will be rolling via wide humanless spaces
21:50.13AhliI think I start to play campaign on brutal for a few hours on EU
21:50.38Ahliget up just before 9am before the delivery guy can come and keep playing until I get my card
21:50.59Zoldenuntil you get raped
21:51.12Dustin|WorkGotta wait till midnight to play, lameee
21:51.19Zoldenthey should be pretty rapy on brutal
21:51.24Ahliyou don't need to wait
21:51.29Dustin|WorkI dont?
21:51.32Dustin|Work:O
21:51.32Ahliconnect to SEA via simon's relocalizer and play
21:51.36Dustin|Worklol whaa
21:51.54A1win_what time is EU opened?
21:51.55AhliI know someone that is close of finishing the campaign now
21:52.03Ahli70 minutes I believe
21:52.13Ahli0:00 at paris
21:52.16duckiesI need to go to store early in the morning to pick my copy cause I'lm still living in medival age where digital purchases haven't been invented yet :D
21:52.18A1winnice
21:52.58Zoldenduckies: how's the weather over there? -15 too?
21:53.17Ahliwhich country, duckies?
21:53.24duckies-10 I think
21:53.45Zoldenduckies: how citizents react to a walking duck?
21:53.50Ahli-3 here, yay
21:54.17Zoldenit's pretty cold for the ducks, they shouldn't have returned from their south quarters
21:54.18duckiesthey're friendly. sometimes they feed me tasty bread
21:54.27Ahliremember last week when it was much warmer? ^^
21:54.55Zoldenlast week weather trolled us
21:56.22Zoldenformer ussr, Ahli, that's what country, we are the one friendly lovely family of countries left after evil ussr
21:56.55duckiesI'm kinda happy that there is still snow almost in the middle of march, reminds me of childhood. somewhere along the way winters got a lot shorter and less snowy here
21:57.05duckiesbut now everything seems to be allright again =D
21:57.51Zoldennature fixes itslef, one day it will fix itself deeper and get rid of the humanity, to make everything alright again
21:58.09duckiesexciting stuff :P
21:59.40Zoldenlast year we had snow until april 10th, and then spring just exploaded in our face, there were so many birch pollen in the air, so everything become yellow, and ppl thought a poison factory exploaded and we all will die
22:02.15duckies:|
22:12.05duckiesalright, time to get some sleep before campaign. I wish everyone enjoyable hots playthrough and hollow realization that after we've beaten campaign nothing really changed about b-net and everything is just the way it was before =D
22:12.11sharf224ok..I just got confused on this tutorial
22:13.05sharf224expressions has confused me...I seem to accidentally have sub values...or perhaps the tutorial is just out of date
22:14.30A1winexpressions are very simple D:
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22:14.37sharf224ok
22:14.38A1winit's just variables and values for them
22:14.39sharf224well yeah but
22:14.42sharf224hang on
22:14.46sharf224http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/17969-dialogs-really-great-looking-dialogs-part-1/
22:14.50sharf224that's the tutorial
22:15.11sharf224part way down at "Calculating Dialog Variables
22:15.17sharf224the second image
22:15.27sharf224mine doesn't look like the picture lol
22:15.46sharf224mine has Values: ~A~ and then has A: blah B: blah
22:15.56sharf224not values:cDialoge Extra
22:15.57sharf224etc.
22:16.09A1winthat's not an expression in the tutorial
22:16.18A1winthat's Arithmetic: Multiple (Integer) function
22:16.25A1winso yeah it's outdated, but you could still use it
22:16.35A1winbut expressions are clearer
22:16.50sharf224ok lol that's why I got confused, because I recognized the...I forget what the character is called
22:16.55sharf224the h looking thing
22:16.58sharf224or upside down y thing
22:17.09sharf224I associated that with expressions for some reason
22:17.40A1winwhat upside down y thing?
22:17.57sharf224the green icon that is ike
22:18.00sharf224h=
22:18.03sharf224or y=
22:18.04A1winah
22:18.07sharf224for values
22:18.12A1winlambda
22:18.13sharf224I forget that character's name
22:18.16sharf224thank you!
22:18.21sharf224been a while since math class :P
22:18.25A1winnever played half-life? ;>
22:18.30sharf224I did
22:18.40sharf224hate steam though so....
22:18.43sharf224only very breifly
22:19.02A1winthey use it in place of "A" in the half-life logo although lambda represents L :x
22:19.09sharf224lol
22:19.10A1winwell kind of anyway
22:19.35A1winthere's a Lambda Core map in the original half-life death match
22:19.53A1winand lambda bunker and stuff like that
22:20.23sharf224lol
22:20.51A1winanyway I think that's just a symbol for math functions in the editor
22:21.03sharf224yeah
22:21.43sharf224I think there is a bug in his writing...
22:21.44sharf224or
22:21.46sharf224typo
22:22.00sharf224he says copy it and replace ncols with nrows
22:22.15sharf224but in the example he changed another constants which....doesn't make sense lol
22:23.22Ahlihaha cake for stephano
22:23.30sharf224ok...he lost me
22:23.31Ahlihttp://www.twitch.tv/starcraft/new?utm_campaign=live_embed_click&utm_source=eu.blizzard.com
22:23.40sharf224a1
22:24.35A1win:X
22:26.01Dustinsoooo
22:26.14DustinTried to run WoL and it's got to run this StarCraft II Optimization thing
22:26.33Ahliyes, that's hots isntallation
22:26.36Dustinnice
22:27.17JademusSregIs that a euphemism of some sort? I'm curious as to what it is doing.
22:27.38DustinThe Launcher is optimizing your StarCraft II install. This is a process we run from time to time to improve game performance and, in most cases, reduce the size of the install on your hard drive.
22:27.38DustinThe entire process will take approximately 15 - 60 minutes under normal conditions. Please do not close the Launcher or run StarCraft II during this time.
22:27.38DustinThank you for your patience!
22:28.11DustinIts probably just randoming the placement of my files in my folder
22:28.15Ahliafter that I had 51 gig of sc2 :D
22:28.16DustinCause fuck me thats why.
22:28.25Dustinlol ahli thats funnt
22:28.27Dustinfunny*
22:28.41A1winmy SC2 is only 30.6 GB
22:28.46A1winafter that
22:29.18DustinSo this SEA thing that lets me play now
22:29.28Ahliit installed all locales... now I deleted every locale besides German and US and my sc2 folder is 20 gigs including 4 gigs of maps+custom assets
22:29.29DustinIs it going to  fuck some other stuff up down the line?
22:29.34JademusSregAh, I expect that explains the difference in patch version directory contents.
22:30.53xcorboHi
22:31.07xcorboSo which regions are up?
22:31.10DustinTits or GTFO corbo.
22:33.20JademusSregSince Base22612, MPQs for data and assets have been phased out.
22:34.32JademusSregI imagine that's part of it, and the switch to an all-streaming approach.
22:34.53JademusSregI suspect it's all in the mods or bnet mpq, now.
22:35.29Zoldenguys, I have a question: I have a launch effect that creates a persistent in the impact point, and the persistent create 4 damage effects in the location points. I have an actor which creates an explosion model for each damage effect. The problem is there is no site for the model in the impact point, so the effect is created on the caster. Question: how to make the model play at impact point. I don't want to create a dummy unit for
22:36.52JademusSregopens the editor.
22:37.36Zoldendid you understand the problem?
22:38.01Bibendusguys
22:38.07Bibendusis hots coming out in 1 hour
22:38.08Bibendusor tomorrow?
22:38.23DustinFuck this shit
22:38.28DustinIt's not a midnight release
22:38.31DustinCentral Daylight Saving Time
22:38.31Dustin2:01 a.m. March 12
22:38.33ZoldenBibendus: hots will come out on the next week, bliss postponed it becasuse of unexpected bug
22:38.55xcorboLol
22:39.07xcorboWhen are bugs expected?
22:39.30Bibenduswut rly?
22:39.54Zoldenthe problem with text inphographics: caster -> launch to point -> persistent at point -> damage at point -> model actor <-- plays at caster insted of impact point
22:40.17ZoldenI feel like I could create in impact site and play the model on it
22:40.31Zoldenbut how to do it
22:40.58DustinAhli, How do I do this SEA thing? Cause fuck waiting till 2am
22:41.17A1winhttp://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/8983616/Heart_of_the_Swarm_Live_Server_Times-3_8_2013
22:42.27JademusSregHost should be either _Unit or _Selectable and the Effect.X.Start -> Create needs the At Scope Target term.
22:42.41JademusSregErm, the Host should be those if it is a unit, I mean.
22:42.43JademusSregPardon.
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22:44.30Zoldenyea, no unit
22:44.37Taintedwispeat a dick
22:44.55JademusSregMade a number of parent actors specifically for this sort of thing. Basically, the host defaults to caster or source for effect actor events, so if the host is invalid and a target scope isn't defined, it ends up on the caster.
22:45.09JademusSreg*or a
22:45.17Taintedwisp:)
22:45.24JademusSreg<3
22:45.26Taintedwispjust tryin to hate
22:45.51Zoldenyes, I understand, so, i need to create a host actor and set it as the host in the model actor, right?
22:46.00JademusSregErm.
22:46.41JademusSregI'll show you some XML I use to handle these sorts of things, and if you like, you can copypasta them directly into the map, and I'll explain them.
22:47.45TaintedwispWTF
22:47.47TaintedwispFUCKJ YOU BLIZZ
22:47.49Taintedwispdammit
22:47.52TaintedwispThey fucked up
22:48.01Zoldenok, show me, meanshile I'll try to create a site actor und use it as host
22:48.17Taintedwispyou no longer get jack shit for completing the achievements of each sets, now its just complete the missions on any difficulty
22:48.19TaintedwispFuck you casuals
22:48.35Zoldenmua ha ha
22:48.45Zoldenuse fucking 1v1 to gather achievements!
22:49.03Zoldeni got valerian portrait ofr 3 clicks
22:49.24JademusSreghttp://pastebin.com/Rt82CZSx
22:49.28Taintedwispsooo lame
22:49.35TaintedwispWhy are all the achievements soooooo easy
22:49.41TaintedwispExcept the one I want...
22:49.46Taintedwispcomplete 20  missions on brutal
22:49.47Taintedwisphaha
22:50.00Taintedwispleast they saved the best for last
22:50.19Taintedwispits just soooo fucking lame they give nothing for getting those other achievements
22:50.20A1winthat's the only one that matters o:
22:50.21JademusSregAnyway, first off, the generic BuffContinuous and BuffOneShot actors are fairly useful parents for the usual make a model on something.
22:50.34A1winand even that doesn't matter *that* much
22:51.08Taintedwispit does matter
22:51.08JademusSregI extend that use further with some tokens, but the important part here is the Host subject.
22:51.17TaintedwispThey are stupid as fuck for doing it this way
22:51.23JademusSregDon't pick an actor, Zol; choose an alias.
22:51.28TaintedwispNo one is going to grind pointless achievements that give nothing but petty score
22:51.38TaintedwispThey just lost a lot of replayability
22:51.43JademusSregAliases is beside the Actor radio option.
22:51.46TaintedwispSooo stupid
22:52.21TaintedwispI can get every achievement in one fel swoop
22:52.27Taintedwispnot achieve but portrait
22:52.31Taintedwispsoooo lame
22:52.41TaintedwispThis also tells me the campaign is liable to be easier
22:52.56JademusSregActor aliases allow you to specify what sort of actor is allowed to host this actor instance with simple OR matching.
22:54.31TaintedwispJademusSreg you ready for an A-Move Campaign
22:54.43Taintedwispafter seeing those portraits I have a bad feeling
22:54.51JademusSregUnits tend to have _Unit and _Selectable actor aliases, so those are usually the Host values you'll see for actors created on units. =D
22:54.58Taintedwisp15 portriats just for beating the campaign on casual -_-
22:55.13TaintedwispI got my 3 beta portraits atleast
22:55.21JademusSregTaint, I don't even have HotS, so yeah, I think I'm ready as I'll ever be.
22:55.51Taintedwisp:P
22:56.01TaintedwispI am waiting for the midnight release
22:56.18JademusSregZol, you follow that?
22:56.30JademusSregIf the channel is a mess, feel free to pm.
22:57.55sharf224well...I fucked up somewhere
22:57.56ZoldenFUCK YEA
22:58.12ZoldenJademusSreg: it worked with the site I created
22:58.56ZoldenJademusSreg: but now I'm reading what you said, in sake of curiosity
22:59.53A1winoh yay EU is up
23:01.36ZoldenJademusSreg: I agree, that aliases are wider than actor names, so, how could I reference the host I created?
23:02.25ZoldenJademusSreg: you use tokens in that xml example, right?
23:02.47JademusSregWell, I'm not certain it needs the site host, but if the site host has the appropriate alias, it could work. I've not tried aliases on sites, actually.
23:02.50JademusSregAnd yes.
23:03.23sharf224ok I'm confused...and I think this tutorial has typos and errors...
23:04.06Zoldenwell, it's elegant, those tokens, in case you need to create alot of the similar entries
23:04.16sharf224jademus
23:04.34JademusSregTrouble is I am not certain it would lookup and find the site host on its own; if you're doing shit with beam on terrain or comparable effects, then it almost certainly should use a site.
23:05.31Zoldencolossus beam uses sites, and beam actors reference them explicitly by name
23:06.19RepoNew announcement: Hots Launch Event - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/hots-launch-event/
23:06.26JademusSregYes, Zol. To make use of tokens, the entry must have the Default flag, so it functions as a parent. Also, link types will be stripped from the entry if the entry is modified from the data's GUI, so if changes must be made to token-supporting parent entries, it must be done via XML.
23:06.46JademusSregYeah, Zol. Is you thing a beam? =D
23:06.52JademusSregWat sharf?
23:07.16sharf224was gonna ask you to look something over for me but
23:07.20sharf224I think I might have fixed it
23:07.21sharf2241 sec
23:08.42Zoldenoh, thanks, nice to know, and it's even better, i prefer xml editing, it's faster than gui
23:08.47sharf224but while I have your attention, can I prevent a unit from being selected/highlighted via triggers or something, without making a second unit?
23:09.20ZoldenI use a model actor, not beam, but there is no reason, beam just need 2 sites, model - only one
23:09.34JademusSregPrevent? You could make the unit actors unselectable for the relevant players.
23:09.47sharf224via triggers?
23:09.53JademusSregThough that may be rather advanced.
23:09.57JademusSregHold on. brb
23:10.17sharf224ok now I feel better...kind of
23:10.19sharf224fml lol
23:10.25sharf224the tutorial is dated and doesn't work anymore
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23:16.30xcorboWait what
23:16.48xcorboLaunch event is live?
23:17.02xcorboHow long is it D:
23:17.09sharf224...
23:17.19sharf224WHY!?!?!
23:18.32KubiINFESTED STOKOV?
23:20.11sharf224how is this possible...
23:20.37sharf224pushing a dialog button...copies and pastes the existing buttons
23:21.36A1winI only just now realized that kerrigan has stephano hairstyle
23:21.42sharf224lol
23:22.07sharf224A1 I'm so fucking confused
23:22.20progammeranyone playing campaign on sea server ?
23:22.29A1winI'm playing on EU
23:22.38progammerjust got back from work
23:22.40progammertime to marathon
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23:25.42A1winnow that we have more kerrigan voice acting, we could definitely make that kerrigan date sim someone suggested around wol launch
23:25.52Zoldenprogammer: I played on sea a bit
23:25.52sharf224lol
23:26.35Zoldenguys, did anyone betrayed Tosh and helped Nova in that wol mission?
23:26.46sharf224I did
23:26.54sharf224I've done both
23:26.55xcorboI did
23:26.59xcorboSame
23:27.03Zoldenhe-he
23:27.11xcorboPlayed the campaign 3 times
23:27.17Zoldendoes it affect hots campaign?
23:27.31xcorboSo that i could see what helping ariel did too
23:27.46xcorboHopefully not cause my campaign data got erased :p
23:28.02progammerthey said smt like choice in wol matter a bit
23:28.07progammerlike 1 or 2 dialoge
23:28.11progammerhavent played hots
23:28.45Zoldeni think it doesn't affect, otherwise the whole story ruins
23:28.47Kubioh look
23:28.49KubiProgrammer is back
23:28.56Kubiscumbag
23:29.05progammerits just a dialog mentioned during cutsence or so
23:29.12Zoldenif nova let jim go, they just unit with kerrigan, the end
23:29.12KubiI really REALLY like the new UI for kerrigan's health bar and respawn
23:29.14progammeryep, im back and ppl still spell the name wrong
23:29.23Kubiprogrammar
23:29.25Zoldenlol
23:29.33Zoldeni have always thought that u're programmer
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23:39.13Vailyo yo yo mapsterinos
23:39.22progammerwow its the expansion and they still have unit control tutorials, but its presented nicely
23:41.01Vaili must wait till tomorrow evening to get my hands on my copy of hots ... so sad
23:41.46progammerif you bought digital you could be able to play 8 hours ago
23:42.06Vailyes but they didnt have digital predorders when i preordered my copy
23:43.04Zoldensue blizz for this
23:43.42Vailits my own fault for repordering far too early
23:46.41Vailpreordering GAH disobedient fingers
23:48.34xcorboWait
23:48.45xcorboSo if we play campaign on SEA
23:49.00xcorboDo we keep that when coming back to NA?
23:50.04Zoldeni think you will have to move copy file to another folder
23:50.16Zoldensave file
23:50.33progammeryou can copy save files
23:50.39progammerit doesnt matter
23:50.43progammerim an achivement whore :P
23:50.51progammerso i will play at least 4 times the campaign
23:52.20xcorboYou know what thats not a bad idea ;o
23:55.22Zoldenit's fun how people spend priceless time of their lifes to get tiny pictures no one cares about
23:55.46xcorboWhat
23:55.51xcorboI do it for the score
23:55.54xcorbo;O
23:55.58Zoldensomeone definitely hacked our natural reward system
23:56.09xcorboOr at least did it
23:56.16Zoldennumbers < images
23:57.03Zoldenblizz just manage to make those images play a role of social status
23:58.37Zoldenand on the brain level the biochemical reward for gaining achievemnts is the same as when we gain a real social status in real life
23:59.22xcorboUm
23:59.25Zoldenthe only difference is that achievement images doesn't increase the chances to give birth and protect posterity
23:59.36xcorboWtf are you talking about its a game
23:59.36xcorboIts fun
23:59.40xcorboAnd thats it
23:59.50Zoldenyea, life is a game and it's fun
23:59.55xcorboNo
23:59.59xcorboLife is srsbsns

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