IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20130305

00:00.08*** join/#sc2mapster Shawn|Sleepy (~chatzilla@ip70-170-21-119.lv.lv.cox.net)
00:05.10Shawn|SleepyYou got it yet vindicator?
00:07.07xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXxhow do i make a custom waypoint rally
00:07.10xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXxmodel
00:15.33xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXxnvm figured it out
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00:51.40JademusSregThis encorned cob is the most ruthless, flavor-abusing cylinder of kernels to have ever  been loosed from the corpulent kitchens of hell.
00:52.58Taintedwisplooks at seeker missile disguised as light-bulb, notices it has remain untouched.
00:53.34JademusSregThis meal deserved its own introduction.
00:56.30Taintedwisplol
00:57.09Taintedwisp:( that hero select being broken is getting me down
00:57.23JademusSreg?
00:57.41TaintedwispMy hero select has game breaking bugs that no one has been able to actually fix since patch 2.0.4 -__
00:58.15JademusSregSounds fun. Got a link?
00:58.35JademusSregI could take a look before I am less sober.
01:00.48Taintedwispits triggers + cutscenes but go for it
01:00.49Taintedwisp:P
01:01.10Taintedwispthat version has been modified though.
01:01.41JademusSregNo worries.
01:01.55JademusSregWhat are the symptoms?
01:03.16TaintedwispOkay, Well, 1. the cameras are jumping in and out randomly(new), When it fades to black after you select your hero it doesnt stay black until everyone selects their hero, The hero select dialogs stay up sometimes despite the fact that I actually put a fail safe to hide them.
01:04.05TaintedwispAlso due to my AI, its pretty much untestable offline, because the AI wont make the Hero select wait
01:08.38JademusSregbrb, getting reinforcements.
01:10.00TaintedwispAre these reinforcements named jimmy jack and jammeson?
01:10.23Taintedwispoh and johnny
01:10.27Taintedwispgotta love johnny
01:10.27Taintedwisp:P
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02:02.23Ahlihttp://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/8087999469#1 smack dragon with it
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02:14.38iMisu2sup nerds
02:36.38Kubisup fag
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02:52.26ThunderLord_nou
03:02.16sharf224__can you change the dimensions of a map once you've made it?
03:02.45A1winMap - Map Bounds
03:03.44sharf224__that doesn't increase/decrese the actual size though, right?
03:03.56A1winit does if you enable the checkbox
03:03.58A1win:P
03:04.13sharf224__oh hey...what'ya know
03:05.47Ahliwhat the heck does "game ready" drivers mean?
03:06.55sharf224__why is the camera bounds of a map wider at the sides than they are at the top and bottom?
03:07.15A1winbecause field of view is verticall
03:07.24A1win(by default)
03:07.41Ahliwidescreens?!
03:07.50A1winwith widescreen monitors, you'd see outside the map if you move camera too close to the left/right edge
03:08.02A1winwell actually
03:08.15A1winbecause monitors are wider than they are tall :P
03:08.26A1winerr... or not, dunno
03:08.39A1winI think it's because you can change the width of your view but not the height
03:09.10A1winbut I can't exactly think of why it is so
03:09.21sharf224__lol
03:09.32A1winhmm
03:09.41A1winoh right
03:09.58A1winit *is* because monitors are wider than they are tall
03:10.08A1wincamera views the world from the center of the screen
03:10.22A1winbut the view cone expands to every direction in the same angle
03:10.36Ahlienjoy playing sc2 on a screen that is taller than wide :D
03:10.37A1winso it sees more to left and right than up and down
03:11.23A1winerr... except that you could block the camera from moving there... so in fact it is because you can change the width of your screen D:
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03:12.04A1winoooh now I know th real answer!
03:12.18A1winit's because the bottom of the screen is closer to the view than the top of the screen
03:12.44A1winif the bounds were not wide enough, the top of the screen would see outside the map while the bottom was just at the edge
03:13.13A1winyeah, that sticks :P
03:13.18A1winignore my earlier ramblings
03:14.02A1winin other words, because angle of attack is not top-down, but slightly tilted
03:15.20A1winand at bottom and top of the map it doesn't matter how wide the bounds are other than that you want the camera to be able to view slightly outside the playable area or units would be able to hug the very edge of the camera, making them awkward to look at
03:22.00KubiWhen creating units, what does the precursor effect do
03:22.50JademusSregMakes a No Draw blah blah unit to hold its place.
03:23.04JademusSregLike a friend holding your place in line, only in this case a pathing footprint.
03:24.16JademusSregYou'll notice if you've got a Raven with full energy and queue up a bunch of auto turret deploy orders, each target is no longer valid to place an autoturret.
03:24.29JademusSregThose are precursors holding its place.
03:25.10Kubik
03:25.19KubiIt's just a placeholder for the unit
03:25.22Ahliinfestor eggs do the same instantly creating walls to trap units
03:25.45A1winthat's placeholder unit
03:25.56A1winerr
03:26.01A1winisn't that a different thing
03:26.27A1winprecursor is the footprint that only applies to casting that effect, placeholder actually blocks pathing?
03:31.19JademusSregPrecursor is a behavior applied to the placeholder to apply No Draw and shit.
03:31.35JademusSregiirc
03:32.03JademusSregMildly intoxicated, so I'm not entirely certain.
03:35.30A1winbut you can't actually apply footprints by queueing stuff up ;p
03:50.08sharf224__ok, setting camera bounds never seems to work quite the way I want them too...can someone give me a hand here?
03:52.06KubiYEA
03:52.08KubiSET THE BOUNDS
03:52.09KubiBRO
03:52.12KubiDO YOU EVEN MUSCLE
03:52.13KubiSO DRUNK
03:52.17sharf224__lol?
03:52.18KubiSWAG
03:52.22KubiOVERLOAD
03:52.27Kubi#YOLO #SWAG
03:54.00KubiWhy does my fucking instant ability require a fucking target
03:55.16sharf224__my map is too large
03:57.58sharf224__why is it, when I set the camera bounds to the size of a region, it doesn't actually make it fit?
03:58.10sharf224__is it because the region isnt the right ratio?
04:00.04KubiBecause the camera goes out of the region
04:00.12Kubiso you have to eye ball it
04:01.08sharf224__what do you mean?
04:01.13sharf224__the region is like
04:01.23sharf224__10x the size of the camera
04:05.18A1wincamera bounds are not precise
04:05.25A1winyou can see outside camera bounds
04:05.43A1winthat's why there's extra stuff at the edge of the map by default
04:06.11Ahlicamera boundaries are for the center point of the camera
04:06.15A1winyou should leave about that much empty space around your camera bounds
04:06.19Ahlior wiat :D
04:06.22Ahlino :D
04:06.30A1winno they aren't :P
04:06.56AhliI'm confused... at least there is a field that defines the size of the camera rectangle in the gameUI
04:06.58A1winotherwise widescreens would see a lot more outside the bounds than a narrower resolution
04:07.01Ahlior was it camera
04:07.08Ahligameplay or gameUI it was
04:09.55Shawn|SleepyEverything is widescreen
04:10.07Shawn|SleepyNo worries
04:13.42sharf224__well like
04:13.57sharf224__I've got a region that is like 4x the height of th camera and like 10x the length
04:14.06sharf224__the top and bottom are fine
04:14.17sharf224__but it always tacks on the rest of the map on the right side
04:15.56KubiOdd
04:16.07KubiWhen I add the precursor it doesnt make the unit but the footprint is there
04:17.52sharf224__argh this is really screwing me up
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04:18.12sharf224__it pays attention to the top, bottom, and left boundries, but not the right
04:18.55KubiEyeball it
04:19.12sharf224__that doesn't help
04:19.22sharf224__it's like it ignores the size of the right
04:19.28sharf224__and just makes it however big it wants
04:20.12sharf224__ok now...things are just fucking up
04:20.35sharf224__does shit just get corrupted in this editor? like it used to in sc?
04:21.08KubiNope
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04:21.55sharf224__this makes no sense
04:22.13sharf224__I have one region, a small square, that works fine
04:22.22sharf224__this rectangle one though
04:22.27sharf224__ignores the right hand side
04:24.06KubiI don't know man
04:24.21KubiBoundries work fine for me
04:24.30sharf224__well...the first one works
04:26.16ThunderLord_hey i got an actor question
04:26.37sharf224__great
04:26.37KubiSharf, are you hitting the edges of your map?
04:26.40ThunderLord_is it possible to dynamically scale models based on the stack count of a behavior or attribute?
04:26.41sharf224__now they're all broken
04:26.45KubiYes
04:26.58ThunderLord_how?
04:27.57ThunderLord_actors are just aweful XD
04:28.09KubiIt's called triggers mah nigga
04:28.19ThunderLord_i would always use triggers
04:28.20ThunderLord_but
04:28.32ThunderLord_can i scale a model that is executed for an effect?
04:28.32Kubiokay
04:28.33Kubifine
04:28.34KubiI'll tell you
04:28.39ThunderLord_tell me!!!!
04:28.40ThunderLord_PLZ!
04:28.42ThunderLord_PLZ!!!!
04:28.45KubiEffect
04:28.54ThunderLord_Effect...
04:28.58KubiI mean
04:29.01KubiMessage Type in your actor
04:29.17KubiBehaviorLevel.Behavior.(Any)
04:29.29KubiValidateUnit (if you have any)
04:29.37KubiTerm  Level
04:29.41Kubi1
04:29.42Kubi2
04:29.42Kubi3
04:29.43Kubi4
04:29.44KubiWhatever
04:29.56KubiCreate
04:29.56ThunderLord_i need to make one for every possible stack count?
04:29.58KubiOR
04:29.59Kubiyes
04:29.59KubiYes
04:30.01KubiYESSSSSS
04:30.07ThunderLord_NO freakin way
04:30.09ThunderLord_LOL
04:30.09KubiEnjoy the ride
04:30.12KubiI do it for my level ability
04:30.20KubiEverytime someone levels
04:30.22Kubiwith heroic
04:30.25Kubivalidator
04:30.29Kubimake special effect!
04:30.34KubiCreate
04:30.39ThunderLord_what im trying to do is make an attribute "AoE Power" on a unit
04:30.50ThunderLord_and it increases the Radius of effect of their AoE abilities
04:31.00ThunderLord_i can adjust the radius easy with triggers
04:31.02ThunderLord_but
04:31.08ThunderLord_what i cannot do is change the visual
04:31.20ThunderLord_its not like i have 5 or 6 or even just 20 levels
04:31.28ThunderLord_i would have to make up to like 200
04:31.34ThunderLord_that cant fly...
04:32.08ThunderLord_gah
04:32.11ThunderLord_i hate actors...
04:32.59KubiI wonder
04:33.06KubiI do too
04:33.26KubiII'm about 10 seconds away
04:33.34Kubijust make everything trigger related
04:33.34ThunderLord_maybe i could somehow use that new Terran scan indicator that they added in HOTS
04:33.57KubiI made this instant - effect like the mule drop down
04:33.59Kubibut
04:34.02sharf224__what. the. fuck
04:34.04Kubiwhen I add a precursor
04:34.08KubiIt doesnt spawn the unit
04:34.12ThunderLord_)):
04:34.42Kubior remove it
04:35.07KubiI wonder if
04:35.14Kubithe precursor for creating units
04:35.17Kubiis used for target effects
04:35.30Ahlithe text in the wol editor spoils characters used in hots
04:35.42AhliI'm looking at the credits
04:36.08KubiAhli
04:36.21KubiWhy when I add a precursor to my instant cast ability does it not spawn the unit
04:36.44KubiI am making a mule dropdown like instead of targetting it uses instant cast on caster
04:37.00Ahliuhm, why shouldn't that work?
04:37.00ThunderLord_i swear my next project will be some game that is entirely trigger based
04:37.07ThunderLord_like that pictionary thing that is out there
04:37.18Kubii dont know
04:37.20Kubilol
04:37.21KubiIt should in theory
04:37.24sharf224__THIS MAKES NO SENSE...if the region is beyond a certain point, it stretches
04:43.13JademusSregRawr.
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04:50.22ThunderLord_how do i add a suffix after my name in irc?
04:51.05JademusSregCommand /nick handle_blahblah
04:51.16JademusSregThere is a char limit on the handle string, though.
04:51.40handle_BadassXD
04:51.45JademusSreg=D
04:52.00ThunderLord_Bada....
04:52.03sharf224__lol
04:52.12JademusSregBada
04:52.14JademusSregBing
05:01.50Ahlihmmm, wol editor shows hots assets stuff for me in editor...
05:02.15JademusSregNeato. =D
05:02.15AhlixelNagaHullReactor is an hots asset... at least before the patch
05:15.05ThunderLordis the content for HOTS on our harddrives already?
05:15.17ThunderLordjust has to activate next wee?
05:15.20ThunderLordk
05:27.51Ahlithe background download is hots starter edition
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05:35.21Ahlihttp://oldmanclub.org/sc2/
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06:11.52sharf224is there a way to make the copy paste grid for terrain smaller? to maybe use the half size grey grid?
06:12.27AhliI guess not. terrain is based on the 8x8 cell clusters
06:12.51sharf224I thought so...
06:13.01sharf224oh well, gotta hand make everything then :/
06:13.37sharf224now that's frustrating...
06:13.54sharf224the natural cliff has part of the top level texture on the bottom...
06:18.25sharf224lol...does not like those ramps...
06:19.42JademusSregwonders if cliffs can be dynamically generated yet.
06:19.48JademusSregI rather doubt it, though.
06:19.54sharf224lol
06:19.58sharf224meaning?
06:20.21JademusSregIt's the only remaining obstacle to entirely dynamically generated terrain.
06:20.45JademusSregCliff mechanics cannot be reliably emulated by an other means.
06:21.18sharf224ah
06:23.22JademusSregThe terrain mesh can be deformed, splats can apply textures, unit vision occlusion is old hat, most of the pathing map is modifiable (my pre-1.5 tests showed cliff pathing to be a most stubborn pathing type that could never be changed at runtime).
06:29.56sharf224are there any default burn or scorch mark doodads?
06:30.35JademusSregHm.
06:30.36sharf224also, can I add a fog or vanishing point to cliffs? like, so you can't see the bottom?
06:31.03JademusSregYeah, takes some tinkering. The cave terrain set is a decent example.
06:31.27sharf224cave terrain set? sorry havent done too much in the terrain editor yet
06:31.48JademusSregWith some adjustment to the fog falloff rate and start height, it's quite doable.
06:33.16sharf224where would one do that?
06:33.39JademusSregTerrain Set data.
06:34.02JademusSregPossibly modifiable elsewhere.
06:34.07JademusSregSuch as via trigger.
06:35.25sharf224would it be under fog?
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06:35.45JademusSregSounds likely. =D
06:36.03sharf224not seeing anything there lol just radius color and some toggle features...hmm
06:36.15sharf224I suppose I might be able to accomplish the same effect with water though
06:40.06sharf224or not lol
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06:41.28JademusSregI prefer to use both.
06:41.51sharf224can't seem to figure out the fog stuff
06:41.53JademusSregA fog with a black water at the bottom; looks good on the minimap.
06:41.58JademusSregI may have a demo on hand.
06:43.55JademusSregYeah, testing to make sure it looks not-shitty.
06:44.36JademusSregI'll get you a link.
06:44.44sharf224thanks
06:44.58JademusSreghttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/WalkablePlane_00Demo.SC2Map
06:45.22JademusSregTest it first, take a look around (Zeratul is hiding behind some rock spires).
06:46.08JademusSregThen go to the data editor, Terrain Types, select Ulaan, switch to Table View (Ctrl !) if not already, observe the green values.
06:46.14JademusSreg*Ctrl 1
06:47.12JademusSregI may have neglected to use water, but it definitely helps darken the terrain and obscure the texture at the bottom.
06:47.30JademusSregAlternately, you can hide the terrain cells, which ensures they will never be visible.
06:47.58sharf224but they're 8x8 right?
06:48.19JademusSregWater? Yeah, the water tool sucks, I must admit.
06:48.31JademusSregHowever, a water model was added some time ago.
06:48.36sharf224and how do I hide the cells?
06:49.43JademusSregIt can be done with cliffs, or from the Terrain editor, go to the Terrain Object tool, click the Hide Terrain Cells button.
06:52.24sharf224lol why isn't triggering player available in camera functions T_T
06:53.05JademusSregBecause the event defines which event response functions are viable.
06:53.25sharf224yeah yeah...
06:53.49sharf224still wish it could be for individual players
06:54.35JademusSregFog?
06:54.44sharf224?
06:54.52sharf224no the camera bounds
06:55.32JademusSregnative void         CameraSetBounds (playergroup players, region bounds, bool includeMinimap);
06:55.42JademusSregIt is per player via playergroup.
06:56.25sharf224hmm
06:56.31sharf224tried copying your fog, not working
06:57.01JademusSregChanges to terrain type must be refreshed somehow. I think they added a new option recently.
06:58.37JademusSregAnyway, after making a change to a terrain type, you must go to Map > Map Textures, select the texture type (even if it is the same one, select it again).
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07:00.02sharf224didn't even need to
07:00.13sharf224I was just retarded and used the wrong texture set lol
07:00.27MonkalizerHey guys
07:01.10MonkalizerDogmai: how is your project progressing?
07:01.21JademusSregAh.
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07:04.26Taintedwispbad]
07:05.19Monkalizerwhats bad?
07:05.32Taintedwispyour face
07:05.34Taintedwisp:))
07:05.41JademusSregNaw, it's damn fine. Taint, understandly, gets pissed about the camping.
07:06.02Taintedwispnah its not even the camping, its the pace of it  that irritates me.
07:06.13JademusSregYeah, that too.
07:06.15TaintedwispThe map is totally set up for camping though -_-
07:06.24Taintedwispits like playing dota, but 100x slower
07:06.38JademusSregThe camping tends to aggitate all the players.
07:07.03JademusSreg*agitate
07:07.06Monkalizeris it possible to set the difficulty of the melee AI from inside the game somehow?
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07:07.13Monkalizerlike easy, moderate hard etc?
07:07.17JademusSregHm.
07:07.25JademusSregDefinitely. *
07:07.26Taintedwispyes
07:07.34TaintedwispI think theres a trigger for it
07:07.41Monkalizerive only seen special difficulty settings
07:07.42Monkalizernot those one
07:07.44Monkalizerones
07:07.55TaintedwispI KNOW i saw something about it somewhere, not really explanitory
07:07.56JademusSregIn fact, you can do a hell of a lot more than that. Especially if you enjoy scripting. =D
07:08.16Monkalizersure, but I find the AI scripting to be a bit... hairy
07:08.38Monkalizermy intention is to skip the balancing and let the player choose what fits them through panel
07:09.13MonkalizerI guess I have not found a proper AI tutorial
07:10.54MonkalizerJademusSreg: what do you suggest? Scripting my own AI or use the built in functions?
07:11.13JademusSregI'd suggest doing the latter to start.
07:11.55JademusSregNo point in taking on a huge workload on an impulse.
07:12.28JademusSregIf later you find the AIs to be lacking, that would be a good time to look into it.
07:12.50Monkalizeri want to make special actions, like making a drop in a region and harass workers, then retract
07:12.58Monkalizeri made such action definitions myself
07:13.11Monkalizercan it be done with the built in functions?
07:13.20JademusSregIt can be done, yes.
07:13.43sharf224why do my doodads not show up in game?
07:13.51JademusSregFor future consideration, before you ever start scripting complete AIs, script Tactical AIs first.
07:14.23JademusSregThose are scripts that do the "thinking", which is to say deciding which abilities to use on which targets, for AI units.
07:14.57Monkalizerah
07:15.04Monkalizeris that also part of the default package?
07:15.17JademusSregOr rather, there is Tactical AI data which assists in making decisions for non-casters, and tactical think AI scripts for casters.
07:15.26JademusSregYeah, those are all in the default.
07:15.50JademusSregClick on a unit, any unit, and look at the TacticalThinkAI function field near the top.
07:16.17JademusSregThat's a raw string reference to the function in a galaxy script that unit would use, if the function is loaded to memory.
07:17.00JademusSregYou'll also see a Tactical AI field that links to data. That handles shit like burrowing and other such, haha.
07:17.36Monkalizerclicking a unit in terrain editor?
07:17.43JademusSregData editor.
07:17.45JademusSregbrb
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07:18.21WrathLaaaaadies.
07:21.03WrathHere's a question for you guys -- what do you think would be the best way to make 3 units orbit another consistently, without colliding?
07:21.38Monkalizermake them flying and remove all collision flags?
07:22.01Monkalizerif you want them to circulate you need to define some kind of mover that makes them circulate in a fancy manner
07:22.04WrathBut to make them orbit, and without passing through each other?
07:22.27Monkalizeruse different heights (slightly)
07:22.57Monkalizerif the units are 0.5 distance units tall, then have a 0.6 distance units offset
07:23.07WrathWouldn't the orbit get messed up if the unit they were orbiting moved?
07:23.17WrathIf a mover was used to accomplish it, that is.
07:23.20Monkalizerdoubt it
07:23.42Monkalizeror i dont know
07:24.01Monkalizerim a beginner in the data editor, started last sunday :P
07:24.10WrathAh, haha.
07:24.25Monkalizer2 days of hacking makes no master
07:24.25WrathI think maybe units are just not meant to orbit one another.
07:24.37WrathI'll just use a persistent spell actor.
07:24.58WrathI mean, it could be accomplished via trigger
07:25.09WrathBut I'm supposed to use exclusively data for this.
07:25.13Monkalizeryou have two good examples: first is the interceptors, then you have the repair vessels of the terran campaign upgrade
07:25.29Monkalizeryeah, I made a nice planetarium with triggers
07:25.38WrathYou mean the building repair bots?
07:25.42Monkalizeryeah
07:25.45WrathThose are just an actor, not a unit.
07:26.05Monkalizeroh they are units... hm
07:28.06JademusSregBack.
07:28.22JademusSregClarify "colliding".
07:28.25Monkalizeryay!
07:28.43WrathWell, their movement should not be inhibited by one another
07:28.49WrathBut nor should they pass through each other
07:29.00WrathTricky, I know.
07:29.13WrathI'm just going to use persistent spell actors with different offsets and rotators.
07:29.47WormJuiceJademusSreg, I feel Taintedwisp doesn't like me that much
07:30.09Monkalizeryou could try to set them to always fly in fixed angles
07:30.53JademusSregGive the units radius values extending further than their models, no inner radius, and for a kicker you can give them behavior:periodic>search area>force or launch to repel one another.
07:31.31Monkalizerhow does attack waves work?
07:31.48JademusSregWorm, who cares what anyone thinks? =D
07:31.52Monkalizeri mean, what kind of data type is it, and how is it related to the triggers and data? I find it confusing
07:32.36sharf224ok wth
07:33.28JademusSregMonk, attack waves aren't a data type. Definitely the realm of triggers.
07:33.52Monkalizeroh
07:34.07sharf224why can't a get an actor to attach to a unit all of a sudden...
07:35.03Monkalizerif I initialize the Melee AI, how does it react to my custom AI trigger calls. Will it overwrite the default or break it somehow?
07:35.13JademusSregsharf, Site Operation (Attachment)
07:35.21JademusSreg=D
07:35.58sharf224?
07:36.02JademusSregMonk, uncertain. You'd need to ask someone who enjoys doing AI in GUI.
07:36.41JademusSregLots of attachment: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/BossXelNagaAI.SC2Map
07:37.23sharf224what I mean is...
07:37.24MonkalizerJademusSreg: so you make it with scripting?
07:37.50sharf224I'm trying to make a new unit (since a doodad wasn't working) and I can't get the actor to actually show up
07:38.06JademusSregI use scripting exlcusively, unless I want to demonstrate something specific in GUI.
07:38.21JademusSregsharf, did you set the unit token in the actor?
07:38.44sharf224you mean actor typ?
07:39.10JademusSregUnit actors have a token labeled Unit Name.
07:39.38sharf224what do you mean by token?
07:39.56JademusSregThe token value is inserted into the token expressions in the actor fields.
07:40.37sharf224not seeing that anywhere, but I was wondering why all the unit actors had a unit under parent
07:40.44Monkalizerthe token is the little field, usually found in the bottom of the actors tab, where you link the unit to the actor
07:40.52Monkalizerits not named token anywhere
07:40.56JademusSregSo the token expression ##unitName## is replaced by the value of the token.
07:41.00Monkalizerbut its called a token
07:41.06JademusSregCtrl 1.
07:41.15JademusSregTable view. <3
07:41.21sharf224I'm in table view
07:41.50JademusSregDid you change the actor type of your doodad, rather than delete it?
07:41.58sharf224mhm
07:42.04JademusSregYeah, probably shouldn't do that.
07:42.13sharf224kind of figuring that
07:42.15sharf224since the doodad stll exists
07:42.26sharf224why then did my doodad not show up in game
07:42.29sharf224but did in the editor?
07:42.39JademusSregAny number of reasons. =D
07:42.46sharf224ffs lol
07:43.13Taintedwispdamn young whipper snappers
07:43.14sharf224where should I start then?
07:43.32JademusSregYou want a doodad, yeah?
07:43.37Taintedwisphow about the line that says start shart
07:43.54Taintedwisp:__
07:44.03sharf224yes
07:44.09Taintedwispokay enough trolling be back 20 minutes
07:44.40JademusSregAdd Actor, set the name, click Suggest for the id, set actor type to Doodad, set parent to whatever or leave it default, set the doodad category if you want, click Okay.
07:44.53sharf224done
07:45.04JademusSregIf the actor id differs from the model id, set the Model field to the model you want.
07:45.13sharf224done
07:45.26JademusSregNow it should be ready.
07:45.47JademusSregAssuming it's not a ridiculously scaled up model, it should show up fine.
07:45.47WrathGod I love that it automatically hooks things upp
07:45.55WrathYay for naming conventions
07:46.03JademusSregYeah, that's the glory of ##id## token expressions. <3
07:46.14sharf224that's exactly what I did before
07:46.29sharf224and it's not in game lol
07:46.39JademusSregPaaaastebin.
07:46.48sharf224what do I paste in it? lol
07:46.54JademusSreg(The XML. Ctrl 3.)
07:47.03JademusSregpastebin.com
07:47.16sharf224yeah ok I know the last part lol
07:47.37sharf224tend to forget about the xml thing
07:47.41sharf224http://pastebin.com/Q06nmY8V
07:48.01sharf224argh wait
07:48.01sharf224think that's the wrong one
07:48.08sharf224nope
07:48.10sharf224that's right
07:48.15sharf224it's the exit portal
07:48.18sharf224that's not working
07:48.29JademusSregYou set EditorModel.
07:48.32JademusSregNot Model.
07:48.48sharf224the model was already set because they have the same name
07:49.03JademusSregid, not name.
07:49.05JademusSreg=D
07:49.15sharf224what ever
07:49.20sharf224it has the right thing by default
07:49.24JademusSregAlso, pretty sure that's the wrong parent.
07:49.31JademusSregNot sure how that happened.
07:49.58JademusSregy u pretend to be unit?
07:50.13sharf224might have set that by accident
07:50.38JademusSregAnyway, you shouldn't need to set editor model unless you need greater than usual visibility.
07:50.42sharf224changed it to cActorDoodad
07:50.44sharf224and it didn't
07:50.48JademusSregThar ya go.
07:51.14sharf224took out the editor model
07:51.22JademusSregNow right click on its Events and Reset To Default.
07:51.59sharf224reset to parent values?
07:52.13JademusSregThe Events + field array, yeah.
07:52.49sharf224still not there
07:53.04WrathI have a hero that doesn't show up in the editor at all :P
07:53.05JademusSregHave you been leaving SC2 running?
07:53.13WrathBecause he has two unit actors with different creation terms
07:53.18WrathThat the editor can't validate
07:53.22sharf224mening?
07:53.31sharf224not closing it after each test?
07:53.34JademusSregYes.
07:53.49sharf224no
07:53.53sharf224thing is
07:54.04sharf224it's an animation so maybe it's playing once?
07:54.13JademusSregGood. Cache problems were the cause of many a complaint back in the day.
07:54.16sharf224then disappearing?
07:54.20sharf224yeah
07:54.26JademusSregYeah, that's entirely likely if it has a single, non looping animation.
07:54.28sharf224I know that from web dev lol
07:54.36JademusSreg=D
07:54.37sharf224it's the archon merge
07:54.46sharf224seems to animate just fine everywhere else
07:54.54JademusSregDid you check its animation set in the cutscene editor?
07:55.06sharf224no
07:55.14sharf224don't even know what that means lol
07:55.44JademusSregMode data, Model asset field, clickityclack, View In Cutscene Editor.
07:56.16JademusSregRight click the running animation, or whatever mac users do, see the animations available.
07:57.01JademusSregCompare this to the animation bracket message in the actor's events.
07:57.12sharf224ok in the cutscene thing
07:58.03sharf224what do I do in here?
07:58.16JademusSreg[02:56:17] <JademusSreg> Right click the running animation, or whatever mac users do, see the animations available.
07:58.39sharf224right clicking does nothing...must be clicking he wrong spot
07:58.52JademusSregThe red bar on the right.
07:59.04JademusSregWith the animation name, beneath the model name.
07:59.12sharf224ok
07:59.29sharf224no shots
07:59.34sharf224lock to end
07:59.37sharf224that's it really
07:59.52JademusSregI guess I'll open the cutscene editor.
08:00.15sharf224lol...sorry
08:00.31JademusSregNo worries. Beats doing anything in GUI ever.
08:00.38JademusSregBlue bar, sorry.
08:00.48JademusSregChange animation option.
08:00.52JademusSregYou'll see several.
08:01.17sharf224ok
08:01.58JademusSregPastebin the actor (and model) data again.
08:02.09sharf224the even already has it play the stand animation forever
08:04.23sharf224http://pastebin.com/QthvJZp9
08:06.40JademusSregReset the fields Aliases, Flags, Host, ModelFlags, DoodadFlags, EditorFlags, EditorIcon, Radius, RandomScaleRange, OccludeHeight,MinimapRenderPriority, and VisibleOpacity on the actor.
08:07.10JademusSregThen it should work.
08:09.11sharf224how do those even get changed?
08:09.17JademusSregParent changes.
08:09.47sharf224thank god lol
08:09.51sharf224it's working
08:09.54sharf224thank you
08:10.36JademusSregLessons learned, future time saved. =D
08:10.46sharf224well see about that :P
08:11.24JademusSregIf not, then my investment will have been wasted, so ask any questions you may have. Haha
08:11.53sharf224lol it's not about that, it's about memory haha
08:12.20sharf224but, alright, what are the parent changes? that caused those fields to change?
08:13.03JademusSregYou changed it from the weird ModelAnimationStyleContinuousUNIT to CActorDoodad.
08:13.22JademusSregSo all the fields it inherited from modelblahblah were not changed when you changed the parent.
08:13.24sharf224oh ah alright
08:13.26sharf224gotcha
08:13.48sharf224so...changing things = bad idea, better to just start over
08:14.22JademusSregUntil you learn your way around this shit, yeah.
08:14.33JademusSregIt's very, very easy to screw up actors.
08:15.42sharf224so I've learned lol
08:17.39Wrathuhmm...
08:17.40WrathWTF...
08:17.51WrathMy computer just turned 1 instance of calculator into like, 7
08:17.59JademusSregCool.
08:18.12WrathIt's going to asplode or something
08:18.37JademusSregThey are fornicating, getting their expontentiation on, fucking hawt.
08:24.02JademusSregI've been awake about 38 hours, so I'll be taking a nap soon.
08:24.12sharf224really?
08:24.16JademusSregYes.
08:24.23sharf224damn dude lol
08:25.16JademusSregI have a song perfect for the occassion.
08:25.43twodieadded specular, normal maps and here goes the WoW models http://snag.gy/7GSeQ.jpg
08:25.53JademusSreghttp://youtu.be/BvYByDQq4gc
08:26.16JademusSregBadass, two.
08:26.22WrathAaand... My computer just opened the editor unprompted
08:26.50JademusSregSpec makes it look like a candy barracks.
08:27.03JademusSregWrath, TeamViewer hijinks?
08:27.05WrathLooks awesome, Twodie
08:27.23WrathIDK what that is :P
08:27.27WrathI'm pretty ig'nant
08:27.32twodieNo its problem of normals and Faces Group smoothing
08:27.37JademusSregGet Sysinternals Process Explorer.
08:27.55sharf224lol
08:28.06sharf224I don't let people control my comp :P
08:29.43JademusSregProcess Explorer has a handy feature Search Online, so you can easily google every process. And so long as you avoid terminating critical system processes, you probably won't get a bluescreen.
08:32.07sharf224why does the camera bounds expand 8 units above and below, and 12 units left and right of the region I set it to?
08:32.51JademusSregGrid view would shed some light on that. Press G in terrain editor.
08:33.24sharf224always in grid view lol
08:33.30sharf224that's how I know the units :P
08:33.43sharf224I use triggers to control camera regions
08:33.53sharf224and for some reason, they are always those dimensions bigger
08:34.48JademusSregAs an exercise, set the camera bounds to a single cell area.
08:35.43sharf224cell area meaning red grid?
08:36.02sharf224or literally 1x1?
08:36.08JademusSregThe latter.
08:36.26JademusSregAnd not in map center. =D
08:37.02JademusSregIt'll demonstrate the smallest increment.
08:37.25JademusSregAlso, you'd see a similar limitation on Map > Map Bounds changes.
08:38.07sharf2241x1 made it focused on the area, but only move about 1 unit in either direction
08:39.41twodiewithout spec, normal: http://snag.gy/Ed280.jpg with those shit: http://snag.gy/7GSeQ.jpg
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08:40.07JademusSregMap bounds must be multiples of 4, and one would expect a similar restriction on camera bounds, with an absolute orientation from the bottom left corner.
08:40.49JademusSregRed licorice shingles.
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08:41.10sharf224but why is there overhang on the bounds?
08:41.45sharf224why are the bounds not the edges of the region?
08:43.08JademusSregNearest multiple of 4, I'd expect.
08:43.23JademusSregOr perhaps ceiling, haha.
08:43.43sharf224they are already multiples of 4
08:43.45sharf22496 and 40
08:44.25JademusSregAh, but is that their absolute positions, rather than dimensions?
08:44.57sharf224size is 96 by 40
08:45.01sharf224center is at 64, 32
08:46.16JademusSregAnd where are the corners positioned?
08:46.20JademusSreg=D
08:47.47WrathOMGGGGG
08:47.53WrathJust finished last episode of breaking bad
08:47.54sharf224halfway between two red grids, changing the corners to line up with the red grids does not change the overhang
08:47.59Wrath(I'm behind the times, I know)
08:48.07sharf224DO NOT SPOIL IT
08:48.11sharf224still haven't finished lol
08:48.14WrathSNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE
08:48.25sharf224meh
08:48.26sharf224lol
08:48.29WrathHaha.
08:48.41WrathGawd damnit! Now I have to wait!!
08:48.56sharf224I feel that way about supernatural
08:49.39sharf224alright well it's about time I crash...
08:49.51sharf224talk to you guys later, thanks again Jademus
08:50.05JademusSregNo problem.
08:50.07WrathNight
08:54.15JademusSregNap time.
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09:24.16twodieZOLDEN
09:24.22twodiewithout spec, normal: http://snag.gy/Ed280.jpg with those shit: http://snag.gy/7GSeQ.jpg
09:25.09Zoldenmaybe remove smooth from the roof
09:25.15Zoldenand from other surfaces
09:25.24twodiecant
09:25.37twodieclicking everything doesnt remove anything
09:25.52twodieand quite often it fuck up with those smoothing stuff
09:26.31twodielike this http://snag.gy/HM8nu.jpg
09:26.33Zoldenyou need to go to the editable mesh, select face, ctral+ a, press clear all button
09:26.55Zoldenyea, some models are fucked by some reason
09:26.55twodiewill try
09:27.03Zoldenyou can fix it
09:27.37Zoldento fix it, just select mesh and turn "show normals" on
09:27.37twodiemy fix was to split to more faces and then ctrl Z
09:28.12Zoldenthen in the face mode select every triangle, and if its normal going inside instead of outside of the model, you press Flip button
09:28.39Zoldenoh, interesting
09:28.43Zoldenhow do u split?
09:30.10twodieselecting polygons and using MSmooth or Tessellate.
09:30.37twodiesure it doesnt make Perfect but the effect least visible
09:32.37twodieYeah smoothing isnt cleared anyway :/
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09:34.18twodieWorking with these WoW models is a pain. I think if we really want great results is just to make them from scratch
09:34.23twodie11:30] <twodie> selecting polygons and using MSmooth or Tessellate. [11:30] <twodie> sure it doesnt make Perfect but the effect least visible [11:32] <twodie> Yeah smoothing isnt cleared anyway :/
09:35.26Zolden_when we're working with builings - maybe from scratch helps
09:35.43Zolden_well, no
09:36.00Zolden_actually flipping a few normals is a pretty fast procedure
09:37.10twodieWell working from scratch the model would be more optimised and look a bit better i think
09:38.29twodiebtw NDO2 started mostly working, for some reason. Something still causes to crash. But with that working shit managed most of the textures wow models to make normal images... 2 hours spent for that and result is shit :/
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09:44.39Zolden_ok, make from scratch and we'll see how easier it
09:45.15twodiei wont, just will leave it without spec and normals
09:45.50Zoldennoooooo
09:46.02twodieyeah
09:46.30Zoldenjust fix the smooth, flip fucked normals, increase specularity, create not justn ormal map, but also a specular map, and it will look badass
09:46.51ZoldenI fixed castles in homm and they looked 100x times better, like candies
09:47.12twodieOnly diffuse http://snag.gy/Ed280.jpg with normal spec http://snag.gy/7GSeQ.jpg only spec http://snag.gy/kXQQn.jpg only normal http://snag.gy/hKO2e.jpg
09:47.31Zoldeni just don't understand ppl who use wow models without normal/spec, they have no heart or no eyes!
09:47.43Zoldenshow me your spec pls
09:47.48twodiehttp://snag.gy/oL2HU.jpg
09:48.00twodiespecular is pure white
09:48.06Zoldenshow me specular map
09:48.28Zoldenbefore deciding, place your buildings to the surface and lok from different angles
09:48.48twodieit wont really change anything cause the model itself is fucked up when using normals and specular maps
09:49.27Zoldendid you import it with "import vertex normals" checked off?
09:50.10Zoldenif clearing smooth doesn't work, remove skin modifier, try again
09:50.15twodiewith check on. cause it will reset all the smoothing groups. and after that is fucked
09:50.29Zoldenok, import with OFF
09:50.36Zoldenit will be fine
09:50.42twodieit wont be fine
09:51.16Zoldenit is totally fucked if you import with on, it jsut will look ugly with normal/spec
09:51.35twodieso yeah we see that
09:51.42Zoldenwith OFF it's fine except you may have to flip some triangle's normals, then it will look good
09:51.48Zoldenit's the only way to make it look good
09:52.28twodieand reason why I do not want to play with improting is that some models where heavily edit themselves so i should be other way around it
09:54.19twodiewell when removing smoothing groups and using those MSmooth stuff it will remove those smoothing stuff from models
09:55.04twodiebut Not able to apply any smoothing groups
09:56.10Zoldeni know nothing about msmooth, never tried
09:56.40twodieIt makes from Polygon more polygons
09:59.35twodieecample http://snag.gy/VGmmY.jpg
10:00.28Zoldendid u try to flip triangle normals?
10:02.51twodienope
10:04.42twodiebefore http://snag.gy/Ca2wJ.jpg after (groups remove, MSmoothin stuff used) http://snag.gy/jr8B9.jpg
10:07.08twodiehmm still effect quite same as here: http://snag.gy/hKO2e.jpg with normal maps on use...
10:10.21Zoldennormal map without specular is senceless
10:10.52Zoldenlike hitler without tanks
10:11.45twodiewell not much i can do to make it look other wise....... Biggest problem is the model itself
10:12.47Zoldenwell, jsut try this onece: import with normals OFF, then flip fucked triangles -> win
10:14.08twodiemore like tie
10:14.18twodieor lose lose.
10:14.53Zoldenu can't know until u do it
10:14.57Zoldenfor me it worked
10:15.08twodiehow about smoothing groups?
10:15.25Zoldeni didn't touch them
10:16.11twodieso there was none or what?
10:16.20Zoldenimporting without normals doesn't affect smoothing groups, for example, check how shiny unicorn ass is
10:16.21twodieCant use the importer cause of error
10:16.32twodieand not support of startools script edit stuff
10:17.00Zoldeni have max10 with m3 exporter and max 11 with startools
10:18.30twodiewell i tried to improt the model that was exported by start tools and it gives me eeror hen tryh  ti oimrpt
10:18.47twodieand it really does clear the smoothing groups
10:18.54twodieor something in geenral
10:18.57twodiesio arikonmdl
10:18.57twodieaskf
10:18.58twodief
10:20.08twodiewell there is smoothing groups but it doesnt smooth anything
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10:23.51Zoldenpoop
10:24.03Zoldentwodie: you can't import models exported by art tools
10:24.07Zoldenit uses different format
10:24.20Zoldenonly wow and wol models can be imported
10:32.18twodie[12:20] <twodie> well there is smoothing groups but it doesnt smooth anything
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10:34.19twodieHow to make now smoothing grouping when removed it ? :/
10:34.49Zoldenselect some faces, press a number
10:35.35twodieand it does nothing
10:35.36twodie?
10:37.41twodiehow to hide texture on mesh?
10:39.09Zoldenselect mesh, rightclick, hide selected
10:40.03twodienot whole mesh just texture!!
10:40.06twodieanyway found it
10:40.23twodieand its not possible to apply those smoothing groups :/
10:41.05Zoldensg aren't fucked for me, so i can't help u with
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10:49.56twodieFix "That is because it has explicit vertex normals set. Add Edit_Normals, select all, Reset. Now smoothing groups will work."
10:54.20Dogmaibnet is down?
10:54.26Dogmaii hate tuesday nights
10:54.28Dogmaifml
10:55.41Zoldentwodie: where did you get this information?
10:55.54twodiegoogle :O
10:56.02Zoldenwow, u're smart
10:56.23twodiehttp://forums.cgsociety.org forums
10:56.26Zoldeni should try it
10:57.28twodieyeah smoothing now is fun. ctrl + A and press 1!
11:03.31twodiebtw does the smoothing groups applys to all faces that uses that smoothing group no matter that its in other mesh and stuff?
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11:13.34Zoldentwodie: dunno
11:13.59Zoldentwodie: btw, important note: you must invert green channel of the normal maps made with ndo2
11:14.14twodieinvert? :O
11:14.21Zoldenctrl + I
11:14.29twodieheh
11:16.15Zoldenand i'd guess that smoothing doesn't work between different meshes
11:16.43Zoldeni think faces must share vertexes
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11:34.15Zoldentwodie: another little thing, it may be useful to apply to each normal map channel gaussian blur with 0,3
11:34.24Zoldenand with 0,5 to specular
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11:34.50Zoldenit's because wow textures are a bit low poly
11:44.29twodielow poly :D low res
11:45.35Zolden:)
11:46.07Zoldentwodie: do u like how the knight look? http://snag.gy/m0xMd.jpg
11:47.10twodieyeah, glueish, made of plastic :D
11:47.25twodieand i see you havet worked on alpha colors stands
11:47.44Zoldenyet
11:47.56Zoldenjust checked noraml/specular
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12:10.30twodieZolden btw with what you where making Spec maps?
12:17.35Zoldenndo
12:17.43Zoldenconvert normal -> specular
12:17.58Zoldenthen brighten metallic parts
12:18.30Zoldenbtw, when you make normal, don't use large parameters, only tiny, small, crisp
12:21.09twodiefuck smoothing again doesnt work :/
12:23.10Zoldensmoothes twodie into a perfect sphere
12:24.52twodieNote: need some poly edit vertex welding must be done
12:25.01twodiefor soemthginga g
12:25.01twodiegsd
12:25.02twodieasf
12:25.02twodieaf
12:31.17twodiefuck the ctrl + c command in 3ds
12:31.26Zolden:)
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12:57.14zenxuI guess its time to demostrate my skills on youtube video once again
12:57.21zenxueven thou itw pretty lame
13:10.11Zoldenzenxu: there is enough lame stuff on youtube
13:10.22zenxuindeed
13:14.41zenxuducky aint here yet but if you wana look
13:14.42zenxuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lfkI5uszoc&feature=youtu.be
13:17.46Zoldenlol
13:17.46Zoldennice
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13:18.18Ousniushey
13:18.20Ousniushttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/49634-caster-of-periodic-effect-in-behavior
13:18.29Zoldenbut it can jump иуштп шт еру фшк
13:18.40Zoldenbut it can jump being in the air
13:19.21zenxuindeed
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13:55.19Zoldenthrows a bird flu infected pig into duckies
13:55.54duckieskick pig back to zolden
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13:58.28Zoldenduckies: look, zenxu put you into his game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lfkI5uszoc&feature=youtu.be
13:59.52duckieshaah, cute art :3
14:00.26zenxumm
14:00.30zenxuhad to make something
14:01.07zenxustill no idea of what to do actually
14:01.07duckiesstill more human like that anything I've ever drawn :D
14:01.23duckieshave a monsters over which you need to jump
14:01.43duckiesand have a monsters which shoot firballs which you need to either dodge or deflect
14:01.55duckiesthere, now you're busy again :D
14:02.16zenxunot enough for making me want to work more of it
14:02.36zenxuI guess I must do much much more brainstorming
14:02.48duckieswell, right now it loks kinda boring, why not make it look less boring? :s
14:05.16zenxuwise words...
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14:05.49Zoldeninteresting, what is that update supposed to mean
14:06.05Zoldenit updated sc2 with 50 mb
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14:26.18AlmaityEllo
14:26.36Almaityanyone had any problems with the cutscene editor when it came to loading terrain/previously made cutscenes?
14:28.15OusniusI didn't use the cutscene editor yet
14:29.58Dustin|WorkYa havent used it
14:31.00AlmaityGreat >.>
14:31.22AlmaityDoes Artestru still show up regularly?
14:31.44Ousniushelp anyone? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/49634-caster-of-periodic-effect-in-behavior/
14:32.12Dustin|WorkHe does not Almaity
14:32.22AlmaityYay >.>
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14:39.20Dogmai~seen blizz-deletarius
14:39.22purlblizz-deletarius <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 10d 22h 27m 11s ago, saying: 'I believe it is possible, but I'm not exactly sure which actor message it is'.
14:39.24Dogmai~seen blizz-artestru
14:39.24purlblizz-artestru <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 11d 13h 38m 19s ago, saying: 'That's not my department. :)'.
14:39.30Dogmai~seen blizztenarsis
14:39.31purlblizztenarsis <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 13d 12h 30m 23s ago, saying: 'going to go, cya tomorrow'.
14:39.47Dogmaicrunch time @ almaity
14:40.15Almaitythx Dogmai
14:40.25Almaityand great, doesn't seem like they're gonna show up then >.>
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15:05.29ThunderLordAFKare we allowed to take whatever we want from world of warcraft?
15:08.16Ahlius.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/acceptable-use.html
15:08.19TheSkunk___"Copying Blizzard Games.  Custom Game developers may only re-create the following Blizzard games (including their expansion packs) (..) World of Warcraft®, "
15:08.22TheSkunk___yeah
15:09.06ThunderLordokay good
15:12.40Ahlisoooo, can I use hellfire stuff?
15:12.49Dustin|WorkThey legally let you recreate their games?
15:12.53Dustin|WorkIm actually surprised
15:13.15Ahlithey don't want to loose the people rebuilding diablo/wow games :D
15:13.58Ahliif they wanted to forbid that they should have stopped that long time ago
15:14.41G0Ayay say wont start
15:14.48TheSkunk___It says "including their expansion packs" so I don't see why you couldn't use Hellfire stuff
15:15.08Dustin|Workhellfire wasnt official though
15:15.09G0Aright after loading into login in screen it turns off and launched luancher.D
15:15.20G0Asc2 wont start*
15:15.22Ahlihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo:_Hellfire look at developer and publisher
15:15.28TheSkunk___yeah
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15:28.31Ahlihmm, which things in a stalemate in morphs are detected to break stalemates?
15:44.13twodie_You know that we dont know!
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15:45.10Dogmaizomg
15:45.14Dogmaithis is so fucken funny
15:45.16Dogmaihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCCtBn1jiAE
15:50.46iMisu2Whats Brazzers? :: Something O.o
15:51.16Blub\wOh my god I feel like I'm having a heart attack - Just did the All In mission on brutal and the last like 20 seconds my heart stopped :P
15:51.39iMisu2I'm going to have to snake your pipe.
15:53.40iMisu2"he knows all he lines from cum throwers 4 black midget,old white lady.........a horse"
15:53.44iMisu2HHAHAHAHAHA
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16:08.44pirateahoy
16:08.53TheSkunk___hey
16:08.58Dustin|Workhi
16:09.31iMisu2looking for 3 or 4 people to do a team map play test
16:09.41piratein class :(
16:11.18iMisu2>.>
16:11.58iMisu2easier to find people playing half life 2 death match to go out and buy starcraft 2 , learn how to play it , then map test for me then to find people in irc or general chat ....
16:13.08Dustin|WorkWhen you ask people on IRC during the Working day, yes it's going to be hard :P
16:13.56piratetry general channels
16:13.59G0ASold Out lol http://eu.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=221004077
16:15.06G0Aalso its pretty funny that it costs half of the expansion
16:16.22twodie_and expansion cost like whole game?
16:16.57twodie_Zolden any Human models to share?
16:17.02piratehas there been anything said about marketplace since 2011?
16:18.08Dustin|WorkNope
16:18.15Dustin|WorkDoubt it's going to come to fruition
16:21.59pirateunfortunate
16:25.37Zoldentwodie: yes, just lemme wait a bit until you drop the map
16:25.52twodiewhat?
16:25.54twodiewhat?
16:25.56twodieWHAT?
16:27.03Zoldeni will wait until you give up
16:27.17Zoldenwhich will happen in a few hours i guess
16:29.56twodiegave up on what? maping in general, mapping for today? mapping this shitty new project?
16:33.06G0A:)
16:36.18Ahlihttp://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/ESL_TV hots tournament
16:37.34Zoldenguys, what todays update did?
16:37.55TheSkunk___I think it officially enabled global play, but not 100% sure
16:38.17TheSkunk___also might have been necessary to lock the ladder
16:38.21TheSkunk___which happened today
16:38.37Zolden50 mb to enable global play is something
16:38.52Ahlimaybe they fixed some problems in bnet, too
16:38.55TheSkunk___:O 50 mb?
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16:39.28Monkalizerquestion: how do I set build orders for AI:s
16:39.55Ahliwhat happens if you make a member window fullscreen? what happens if you keep moving the mouse in bnet main screen? what happens if you just hold the ALT key ingame? did they fix any of those FPS eating things?
16:42.03Monkalizerim trying to use stock, but it wont seem to work
16:43.30G0ASo it was today's patch which fucked up my sc2
16:47.10Zoldenit fucks up sc2's? what a naughty patch!
16:48.53TheSkunk___ah yeah, looks like it was a very small bug patch for fixing things like the pause bug
16:49.29TheSkunk___http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2267599524#4
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17:13.25iMisu2Would anyone know why my hotkeys disapear on my command card sometimes?
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17:21.34Ahlieditor tests or online?
17:21.59iMisu2online mostly
17:22.09iMisu2but it happens randomly
17:22.19Ahlihmm, I only had the suspicion that offline tests do that.
17:22.58Ahliis that map specific? we can force that setting now and maybe a fool forced that to be disabled
17:23.25iMisu2whut?
17:23.33Ahlioverride player option
17:23.34iMisu2its my own map
17:23.36Ahliin triggers
17:24.01Ahliyou don't override that setting in your triggers? :D
17:24.05Ahlido you?
17:24.11iMisu2no? but can i force it?
17:24.24Ahliyes, but you shouldn't force that
17:24.38Ahliunless it's your bnet handle... ^^
17:24.53iMisu2i dont know how to do all that shit
17:25.29Ahliyou don't need that... it's strange that it resets. maybe you should post that in Blizzard's bugs forum
17:25.47iMisu2i dont know if it resets
17:25.51iMisu2it just doesnt show anny hot key
17:25.54iMisu2on any command card
17:28.42iMisu2<PROTECTED>
17:28.47iMisu2this disables yes?
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17:33.46Dustin|Workno
17:33.50Dustin|WorkChange nO Value to DIsable
17:33.55Dustin|WorkI think
17:34.08iMisu2k
17:35.49hobbidudehey iMusu2 did you ever get that triggering i sent?
17:36.56iMisu2oh yeah long time ago
17:36.58iMisu2Thank you
17:37.19iMisu2Completely scrapped the whole idea though lol
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17:50.02hobbidudeanyone know why by chance a point defense drone won't show a launched missile even tho the ability works with any other unit
17:50.31QueenGhi guys
17:50.41iMisu2It does usually doesnt it ?
17:50.46iMisu2The red laser ?
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17:59.43hobbidudethis is a custom collider ability and no its usually does in through beams
18:00.06iMisu2i hate beams
18:00.09iMisu2but they look so cool!
18:00.48iMisu2<PROTECTED>
18:00.55iMisu2I have a unit treated both ground and air
18:01.03iMisu2I want the array to be air before ground though
18:01.05iMisu2How the hell.
18:04.00Dustin|Workprob hardcoded
18:04.15iMisu2*fidget*
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18:24.31Zoldenadds normal and specular maps to twodie
18:24.45twodiewell thank you
18:24.47iMisu2stuffs zolden in a small can.
18:24.49twodieWHERE IS MY MDOELS
18:25.32Zoldenhumans aren't ready
18:25.36Zoldenjust a couple
18:25.44Zoldeni'll give em when all are done
18:26.37iMisu2anyone wana map test
18:27.15sharf224yay! fixed my linux server
18:27.41iMisu2did your x crash :O
18:28.12sharf224no, grub just wouldn't auto boot
18:28.17sharf224meaning I couldn't remote in
18:28.58iMisu2if your server is remote using armc you can remote with some VNC crap
18:30.21sharf224nah I'm using an ssh client
18:30.37Zoldenoh fuck, 9 materials
18:30.50Zoldentwodie: 9 fuckign materials on a model
18:31.15twodieyeah thats fun
18:50.07zenxuduckies: im drawing monster sprites now
18:50.14zenxushame being an artist is hard
18:50.33duckiesgood, create a dragon monster :D
18:50.50duckiesor a duck monster
18:50.56duckiesmm maybe a dragon duck? :o
18:51.03zenxuim doing a wolf
18:51.07zenxubut it looks more like rat
18:51.16ThunderLordI would play a game with a dragon duck...
18:51.46duckiesrat wold is okay too :D
18:51.49duckies*wolf
18:51.54ThunderLordXD'
18:52.06ThunderLordMaybe a duck sized dragon
18:52.23ThunderLordwould u rather fight 50 duck sized dragons or 1 dragon sized duck?
18:53.22duckiesdoesn't matter, I'd be dead anyway. Single creature would just KO me  in 1 hit, multiple creatures would swarm me from all sides, knock me to the ground and bite off my flesh
18:53.39ThunderLord...
18:53.42duckiesyes, single creature sounds like a less painfull death
18:53.45ThunderLordwhich would u prever
18:53.46ThunderLordyeah
18:53.50ThunderLordthats what im thinkin too
18:53.57zenxumaking 8bit art thou might not be impossible
18:54.22ThunderLordalso a dragon sized duck does not have fire...
18:55.01zenxuI did some more investingating on other platformers
18:55.02ThunderLordIm being faced with an important question... Go to class, or stay here and map edit for another hour...
18:55.09zenxuI still havent got any solid ideas
18:55.16zenxubut might as well make those wolf monsters for starters
18:55.22ThunderLordplatformer in the editor?
18:55.23duckiesdragon sized ducks quacking would blow uop my eardrums D:
18:56.00duckiesthunder, go to class, you're not mampaking anyway, you're just chatting here
18:56.07ThunderLordyeah i think i will skip class, and ponder about duck sized dragons for another hour
18:56.41duckiesyeah zenxu, moving forward even without a strict plan is good
18:56.53ThunderLordthat class is stupid XD, i would just go to it, get on my laptop and edit for an hour there anyway...
18:57.10zenxuI should show my wolf monster
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18:57.13zenxuits so cuddly
18:57.14ThunderLordhaving a strict plan is terrible... XD
18:57.43duckiesI noticed that I'm more willing to make maps when I need to do something else, so I'd imagine that mapmaking in class would be super-effective
18:57.43ThunderLordI went back and played my game that i am working on, only the version from this time last year... nothing is the same
18:57.58ThunderLordYEAH!
18:58.02ThunderLordactually last sem
18:58.06ThunderLordi took a video game making class
18:58.18duckieszenxu, so show it! :D
18:58.35zenxuneed couple more minutes to finish it
18:59.02ThunderLordhttp://activeed.rice.edu/comp160/#user8-VkQZ9G1CAt-1.py
18:59.14ThunderLordthat was my final project for my video game corse :D
18:59.41ThunderLordbut i didnt do too well in that course either... cuz i prefered making games in the editor to python XD
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19:02.54duckiesa blue ball swinging white stick
19:02.55QueenGhey Tolkfan, I like your sc1 remakes, really nice.
19:02.55duckies..
19:03.09ThunderLord:D
19:03.11zenxummm
19:03.16zenxunow that I look my ratwolf
19:03.18ThunderLordlike i said, starcraft is better than python
19:03.19zenxuits pretty ugyly
19:03.36ThunderLordbut i got an A so...
19:04.37Dustin|WorkThunderlord, did you use Pygame?
19:04.43ThunderLordno
19:04.44ThunderLordhttp://activeed.rice.edu/comp160/#user8-VkQZ9G1CAt-1.py
19:04.49ThunderLordi just wrote it in there
19:04.54Tolkfansomeone mentioned my name... I completely forgot I auto log in here every time I check my email xD
19:04.58ThunderLordmy professor created that website
19:05.15duckieszenxu, show it anywy :D
19:05.17ThunderLordand... yeha
19:05.21duckiesI love looking at sprites
19:05.22ThunderLordYEAH!
19:05.25zenxusoon Ill see if I can make it better
19:05.26Dustin|WorkPygame is a framework for python
19:05.26ThunderLordLETS SEE A WOLF
19:05.29Dustin|WorkTo help making games
19:05.38duckies*ratwolf
19:05.39ThunderLordive never even herd of it XD
19:05.58Dustin|WorkIt was cool, messed around with a couple games with it
19:06.00ThunderLordi mean, we had that simplegui import
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19:06.30ThunderLordisnt python super a super inefficient language?
19:06.45ThunderLordisnt python a super*
19:07.16Dustin|WorkNot at all
19:07.18Tolkfanno, you're thinking of java :p
19:07.23Dustin|Work^
19:07.25QueenGis there any other projects you are working on, Tolkfan?
19:07.31Dustin|WorkPython is similiar to JAva, but so much better
19:07.34zenxuhttp://i.imgur.com/B07Ngn9.jpg?1
19:07.36zenxubwahahhaha :D
19:07.39ThunderLordnot as far as writting
19:07.43ThunderLordi know python is easy to write
19:07.50ThunderLordbut as far as runtime
19:07.52Dustin|WorkTHeir syntax is similiar
19:07.54duckiesahaha, that's awesome :D
19:07.57zenxuI made black and white variaton of the ratwolf
19:08.14TolkfanQueenG: sc2 projects? nope, wanted to do a cinematic, but i'm too lazy :p
19:08.20duckiesI'd name it "grumpy hampster" :D
19:08.32ThunderLordLOL
19:08.44zenxueven thou it took like 15mins to make perhaps I could improve it
19:09.19zenxuthat could be a cool mount (lol)
19:09.20zenxu:D
19:09.22duckiesadd an attack variation
19:09.32duckieshe could attack using profanities :D
19:09.48duckiesswearing at player with hurtful words :D
19:10.12duckies"go away" "nobody loves you" "you're not welcome in here"
19:10.25duckiesthat would be an awesome enemy :D
19:12.25zenxuif Im happy with it Ill make it have some animations
19:12.49duckieshe deserves at least walking animation >.>
19:14.57TolkfanNova deserves a walk animation! The high quality model that is. Right now all she can do is lean against a crate and cloak!
19:15.58duckiesI agree, be better than blizz zenxu, give your game objects walk animations!
19:19.12zenxuhmm ratwolf v2 looks almost like a wolf
19:20.51zenxumm yes its good
19:20.55ThunderLordhow can i get an animation to just loop the first like 4 seconds of itself over and over?
19:21.42zenxuhttp://i.imgur.com/Alsa186.jpg?1
19:21.57zenxuthat black wolf bottom left looks pretty much like wolf
19:22.23zenxuthe white variations need stronger/consistent lines if I were to use them
19:23.04ThunderLordand how do i preview models in the new cutscene editor/ how do i un-import the terrain?
19:23.26zenxuduckies: look at v2
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19:26.52evilyhey:) is it possible to make a requirement, or rather an upgrade, than can only be used for every 3 upgrades you have of something else. For example i wanted people to be able to upgrade range by 0.25 for every 3 upgrades to damage. I was thining of just making 10 seperate 0.25 range upgrades and 10 different requirements but was wondering if there was a more effective way.
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19:28.24duckieszenxu, is that how the wolfs look like? :o
19:28.26Blizz-ArtestruHello... does anyone know of PrettyAwesome ever shows up in here?
19:28.42duckieshi art, first time I've heard that name :D
19:28.42ThunderLordO:
19:28.47zenxuI guess not then :(
19:28.53zenxuI thought they looks sorta like that
19:29.01Blizz-ArtestruHe posted a video of him making a cutscene on mapster
19:29.10ThunderLordnever herd that name either... but most everyone here is pretty awesome
19:29.14Blizz-ArtestruHe had a lot of frustrations (because he was doing things wrong), so I wanted to give him some pointers
19:29.50zenxuBlizz-Artestru: http://i.imgur.com/Alsa186.jpg?1 gaze upon my amazing art
19:29.58ThunderLordyou could send him a PM on mapster
19:32.51sharf224I hate permission files
19:33.28twodieSo whats up with new patch?
19:33.32sharf224the top one looks like a capybara
19:33.46zenxuhas anyone tried the valve gamemaker?
19:33.57zenxudoing stuff from start takes foreveeeeeeeer
19:34.05Blizz-ArtestruGamemaker?  You mean filmmaker?
19:34.12zenxuno
19:34.14Blizz-ArtestruOr is that different?
19:34.18zenxuthey got gamemaker too
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19:37.35ZoldenBlizz-Artestru: PrettyAwesome is offline in skype atm, I'll summon him if he get online
19:37.47Blizz-ArtestruOkay, cool.  I'll be in and out
19:38.13Blizz-ArtestruIt was a really cool video, though.  It was great to see how someone else used the CSE.
19:38.27Blizz-ArtestruWhen you're so close to a project, you become blinded by the usability and design issues.
19:38.39AhliBlizz-Artestru, can you find out what of the ability/unit data sc2 uses to determine which finished morph abilities reset the stalemate timer in melee?  I fail to see the line in data... for all other aspects, I've a working generic way of checking it (-> not hardcoded units/abilities). I'm currently making an observer map and therefore I duplicate the melee things. Also, if anyone here knows when the "... has no more forces left
19:38.39Ahliappears, I would be grateful, too. I think I will post that in misc editor forum on USforum later.
19:39.12ThunderLordim going to go check out that video, i wanted to learn Cinematic editing, but i couldent seem to get the hang of it
19:39.16Ahliso, why does reactor morph not reset it and why does command center -> planetary reset it?
19:39.20Blizz-Artestruinteresting, I don't offhand, that's not something I've ever had to think about :P
19:41.01AhliI suspected the produce flag in the ability to reset it, but the addon morphs have that ability, so it's not that =/
19:44.58zenxuhttp://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse/?appid=214850&p=2
19:45.09zenxuit seems there are quite a bit of projects for gamemaker too
19:45.18zenxumost are bad but some seem decent
19:45.34Ahlidamned, can't be produce
19:45.45Ahliproduce + automatic because of warpgate
19:45.58ThunderLordwhat is the max thread count?
19:46.29Ahliok, new attempt: produce + automatic + produce score on unit > 0
19:46.59sharf224_wow
19:47.03sharf224_gamemaker is on stea now?
19:47.13sharf224_steam*
19:47.22ZoldenBlizz-Artestru: do you know how to make a dialog show a picture from a camera via RTT channel? we have discussed it on mapster, but no one found a way to do it
19:48.27Blizz-ArtestruTo have a dialog show via RTT?  Offhand, I'm not sure if there's a direct way to do that... generally RTT is rendered onto a texture, such as the TV screen
19:48.43Blizz-ArtestruThe only way I can think of that is to use a Cutscene Frame
19:48.49sharf224_zenxu
19:49.04zenxulol its been there for long
19:49.21sharf224_well
19:49.34sharf224_I would imagne for as long as studio has been around
19:49.47sharf224_I've been using it since before yoyogames took it over
19:49.58sharf224_not that I ever do much with it anymore
19:50.58ZoldenBlizz-Artestru: yea, we figured out how to use it on texture, but there is an action "Set Dialog RTT Channel", and it probably should make dialog show RTT channel's picture like texture do, but it didn't
19:51.20Blizz-Artestrubrb, gonna go ask someone
19:51.30Zoldenok
19:53.50Ahli(produce == 1 && automatic == 0) || (produce == 1 && automatic == 1 && produce score on unit > 0) looks awkward, but might work
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19:55.04PrettyAwesomeHEola
19:55.16Zoldenhey
19:55.25PrettyAwesomeHow is it going?
19:55.38Ahliartestru is looking for you
19:55.56zenxuyou dont know how to use cinematic editor - HA HA
19:56.06Blizz-ArtestruOh hey PrettyAwesome
19:56.10PrettyAwesomeI heard. What is up Blizz?
19:56.27Blizz-ArtestruAnd it figures you show up just as I have to leave :)
19:56.28zenxumock him to the ground
19:56.44Blizz-ArtestruI'll be back in an hour or so....  but I wanted to talk about some of the things you mentioned in your behidn the scenes video
19:56.48Blizz-Artestru(which was really cool, btw)
19:57.05Blizz-ArtestruThere were a few things you were doing in an... interesting... way :)
19:57.16Blizz-ArtestruAnd hopefully they'll be less frustrating with some pointers
19:57.16Blizz-Artestru:)
19:57.53Dustin|WorkOmg BLizz came back :D
19:58.45PrettyAwesomeAnd went away.
19:58.52PrettyAwesomeFor a little
19:59.07Dustin|WorkWhat was your issue PrettyAwesome ?
19:59.49Dustin|WorkAh, nm just read up
20:00.05PrettyAwesomeIs he with blizzard?
20:00.09Dustin|WorkYeah the cutscene editor is setup differently than you'd think
20:00.16Dustin|WorkArtestru is
20:00.21Dustin|WorkHe made the Cutscene Editor
20:00.26PrettyAwesome:o
20:00.28Dustin|WorkSo you'll be in good hands when he comes back
20:00.30PrettyAwesomeAWESOME
20:01.17PrettyAwesomeI just get really annoyed because workign in the Unreal Engine is so intuitive but when I go into Blizzard edtior its like "How can we make this the most difficult and fustrating as possible?"
20:01.35Dustin|WorkLol yeah we rant about that kinda stuff all the time here
20:02.22PrettyAwesomeI was actually goign to try to figure out how to just export everything from Galaxy and import it into UDK
20:02.36PrettyAwesomeProlly more trouble than it is worth
20:03.10Dustin|WorkYa that's not going to work :P
20:03.27Dustin|WorkIm actually just getting ready to switch over to Unity Development
20:03.34ThunderLordhow do i make a beam destroy itself when the unit it is teathered to dies?
20:04.06Dustin|WorkActor Event for the beam
20:04.08Dustin|Workmaybe
20:04.13ThunderLordyeah
20:04.13PrettyAwesomeNice. Unity is good too. I've just worked in Unreal Engine since I was like 13
20:04.15ThunderLordbut what one
20:04.37PrettyAwesomeAnd the filmmaking capabilities in UDK are nearly endless
20:04.44Dustin|WorkOh I bet
20:05.07Dustin|WorkIt should auto kill itsself if it was setup right ThunderLord
20:05.22Dustin|WorkShould have an event on it that checks it's attachment or something
20:05.29Dustin|WorkLook for any Destroy actions in the events
20:07.40ThunderLordi made it myself... its kinda a special case
20:08.25Dustin|WorkMaybe try setting up an actor timer and have it check every couple seconds against a term maybe
20:08.48ThunderLordi could do that, i just dont know how to set up the term
20:09.15Dustin|WorkTerms are still a bit unknown to me,
20:09.30Dustin|WorkThey apply to the action event though I think
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20:09.41Dustin|WorkYeah so im not sure on your problem :(
20:09.41ThunderLordhummmm
20:09.47ThunderLordill keep working with it
20:09.52ThunderLordi can try some diff stuff
20:10.47Ahliis there a way to disable all the events for melee surrender in the debugger? they irritate me :D
20:14.53VindicatorSo global play is out now... how do we publish to another region from our accounts?  I don't see an option in the editor to switch which region u publish too..
20:15.19Dustin|WorkVindicator,
20:15.38Dustin|WorkYou have to create a regions.xml file in your sc2 folder and then the options should show up I think
20:16.12VindicatorJust a blank file?
20:17.10Ahlino, that file shouldn't be required with global play released
20:17.28Ahlieditor settings -> battle.net, change server
20:18.27VindicatorAhli: If you mean Preferences -> Battle.net -> Region      nothing new shows up there either :(
20:19.25Vindicatorand i've already logged into SEA with my NA account in-game if that makes any difference
20:20.52Ahlithen blizz failed :D
20:21.13Vindicatoroh i might have gotten something..   I went to Preferences -> General -> Locale and switched to KR and it's download 1.4gb of stuff
20:21.13Ahliget regions.xml and continue as intended
20:21.22Vindicator*downloading
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20:22.38TaintedwispI hate ninjas.
20:22.42Taintedwisp:P
20:22.55TaintedwispHey blizz-artestru, your the cutscene guy right?
20:23.18TaintedwispPatch 2.0.4 broke my hero select, and Mutiple trigger editors/cutscene editors haven't been able to figure it out :(
20:23.32FateBlizz-Artestru when is NA online again?
20:23.36TaintedwispHey PrettyAwesome, hows everything going with hasu?
20:24.31VindicatorNA was online just a minute ago Fate
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20:29.33sharf224_https://soundcloud.com/pomdeterrific/pomdeter-call-me-a-hole
20:32.38AhliI'm currently on NA
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21:16.36Zoldenguys, should I download hots copy, or wol will be updated?
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21:17.37Bounty:)
21:18.18Zolden:)
21:24.09JademusSreg=D
21:24.48BountyJAdemusSreg
21:24.57BountyHow would you like to make a logo for me once again? :)
21:25.06JademusSregSure.
21:25.31Bountyno idea what it should look like but as you saw the main color in the game is a sort of dark orange
21:25.35ZoldenJademusSreg: How would you like to make a dialog baackground for a first time?
21:25.37JademusSregI have an idea.
21:25.52JademusSregI can do that, Zol, no problem.
21:26.04Bountyand the text should be some sort of badass font
21:26.05Bountylol
21:26.06JademusSregBounty, what's the name of the map?
21:26.13BountyPhoton Synergy
21:26.28ZoldenJademusSreg: it's hor my homm map, did you ever played any orioginal heroes of might and magic game?
21:26.48JademusSregI played HoMM 4, iirc.
21:27.50JademusSreg3 or 4.
21:28.11ZoldenJademusSreg: oh, good, I want something simple but a bit in common homm style, I'd use it for hero skills dialog and maybe for all other dialogs
21:29.09JademusSregBounty, I think I'd do a cool blue on the first half, with an opposing orange on the other half, with a small photon discs logo between them with a diagonal slice between the two colors.
21:29.32Bountythere is like no blue in the game though :(
21:29.42Bountyexcept for the orbs
21:29.45Bountythink thats enough?
21:30.10JademusSregYeah. I'll use my favorite blue in the draft, and you can suggest whatever changes you'd like.
21:30.21Bountykk :)
21:30.24Bountyoh and guess what?
21:30.40Bountyfull character customization is in, model, hovercraft and titles are all selectable
21:30.41Bounty:)
21:30.44JademusSregZol, can you find me some reference images?
21:31.18JademusSregCool.
21:34.32ZoldenJademusSreg: yea, but first - how the game look, to give you an idea what would fit it http://snag.gy/hK9to.jpg
21:35.10Zoldenhero skills dialog is at the bottom
21:36.32JademusSregDid you want it to complement the protoss UI there?
21:37.37Zoldenfuck protoss ui :)
21:37.44Zoldenthere are som graphical references:
21:37.45JademusSreg=D
21:38.03Zoldenhttp://forum.vcmi.eu/album_pic.php?pic_id=38
21:38.12Zoldenhttp://img132.imageshack.us/img132/650/76807739ca3.jpg
21:38.27Zoldenhttp://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8666/heroesofmightandmagici2.jpg
21:38.38Zoldenhttp://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7296/heroes1a.jpg
21:39.11Zoldensomething based on those would be just fine
21:39.23Zoldenor any of your own ideas
21:40.01JademusSregYeah, I'd certainly not copypasta those, haha.
21:40.04Zoldeni only want to get rid of sc2 dialog elements and replace them with something near homm style
21:40.16JademusSregBut I get a sense of the aesthetics.
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21:41.50Ahlihmm, problem with kernel mode trap using something with nv... I think the hots ready mode driver that is in the current nvidia beta driver doesn't work properly on win8 :D
21:42.15Ahlihad small flickering before it crashed.
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21:43.00QueenGIs there a way to setup bank files that affect multiple maps?
21:43.25Ahliyes, just use the same name and be the same map uploader
21:43.27BountyJust have them all load the same bankfile name
21:43.48Ahlibanks are stored in folders of the ID of the uploader
21:43.49JademusSreg^
21:43.50QueenGoh nice thanks
21:44.23JademusSregWoo. "Amazon today announced price reductions of up to 27.7 percent for Elastic Compute Cloud Reserved Instances running Linux/UNIX, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, and SUSE Linux Enterprise Server."
21:44.56QueenGI was curious about the SC universe map and how the other maps will load players characters
21:45.43Blizz-ArtestruAlright, PrettAwesome, so one of the main things I noticed you had trouble with was keyframing.
21:45.55Blizz-ArtestruYou'll find it'll make your life a lot easier for controlling animations
21:45.58Ahlihow does nvidia receive information about problems in their beta drivers?
21:46.00PrettyAwesomeYep
21:46.06Blizz-ArtestruIn particular, cameras, and non-walking movement
21:46.21Blizz-ArtestruYou pointed out the "greyed out record button" in your video
21:46.25Blizz-ArtestruThat button is "enable autokey mode"
21:46.29PrettyAwesomeWith cameras I didi actualy figure it out without attaching it to an actor.
21:46.30Blizz-ArtestruHave you worked with software that has autokey before?
21:46.34PrettyAwesomeNo
21:46.52Blizz-ArtestruOkay, so the main idea is that you can control the value of any property over time.
21:47.07Blizz-ArtestruSo with a camera, for instance, you can change the Depth of Field value from 0 to 1 over time.
21:47.12Blizz-ArtestruYou do that with a property layer
21:47.15PrettyAwesomeOh. THat yeah
21:47.18Blizz-ArtestruThere's a few ways to add property layers
21:47.24Blizz-ArtestruI find the easiest is with autokey
21:47.39Blizz-ArtestruThe way it works is when you press that button everything turns all red to let you know you're in autokey mode
21:47.44PrettyAwesomeSo I don't have to add each individualy?
21:47.50PrettyAwesomeRight
21:48.02Blizz-ArtestruThen what happens is any change you make to any animatable property (most are animatable) will create a key at the current time for that value.
21:48.10Blizz-Artestruexactly
21:48.15PrettyAwesomeNice. THat is much faster
21:48.21Blizz-ArtestruSo if you want to animate a character across the screen.
21:48.40Blizz-ArtestruMove the time to the start, turn on autokey, move the character to the position you want... then change the time to a little later, then move the character again
21:49.16Blizz-Artestruyou'll see the keys added, and as you scrub the time, you'll see him animate
21:49.18Blizz-ArtestruWith cameras in particular, there's a few more shortcuts that make life easier
21:49.19PrettyAwesomeTHe big issue with that meathod is making the animations match the walkspeed properly. What is so herat about the follow paths is that it does that exactly
21:49.40Blizz-ArtestruRight-click a camera node and choose "Set Camera" (I think...  Alt-V is the hotkey)
21:49.52Blizz-Artestruokay I'll get to that next
21:49.57PrettyAwesomek
21:50.06Blizz-ArtestruSo you can use autokey plus Alt-V to get exactly the camera motion you want
21:50.27Blizz-ArtestruAlso, Alt-E with a camera selected will put it into Edit Camera mode (it's in the right click menu, too)
21:50.32PrettyAwesomeYeah. Setcamera is nice to have
21:50.49Blizz-ArtestruWhile in Edit Camera mode,a ny change you make in the viewport will set the camera... combine that with autokey, and you can essentially hand-animate your camera motion
21:51.30Blizz-ArtestruI couldn't tell from the video...  did you use an Active Camera track for camera cuts?
21:51.38PrettyAwesomeYeah.
21:51.42Blizz-ArtestruOkay cool
21:51.46Blizz-ArtestruSo about walking
21:51.54Blizz-ArtestruIt's definitely not pretty :)
21:52.07PrettyAwesomeI actually just figured out sound importing, so now I can do all that in the game engine, but only for timing sake.
21:52.33PrettyAwesomeYeah. I think my biggest pet peeve is animations
21:52.34Blizz-ArtestruSo there are two parts to pathing
21:52.47Blizz-ArtestruYou did find the movespeed property
21:52.57Blizz-ArtestruHowever, there's actually TWO movement speed properties
21:53.00PrettyAwesomeYep. I used it several tiems actually
21:53.02Blizz-ArtestruOne on the actor and one on the animation
21:53.02sharf224_isn't there a way to place buildings without snapping them to the grid?
21:53.19PrettyAwesomeTo make the Roach walk in speed with the infestor, when the marine was running away from the fungal, and to make the cameras move slower the old way
21:53.19Blizz-ArtestruIf it's a model that has an animation, the animation value is used.
21:54.00Blizz-ArtestruIf you want a roach to walk slower, then, yeah, you'll need to change both the animation scale and the movement speed value
21:54.15Blizz-ArtestruHonestly that's kinda crap, I'll look into making it in the future so that animation scale affects movement speed
21:54.20PrettyAwesomeSo in auto key, then if I set two movement points it will always walk the speed of the animation? Unlike it will get from point a to b in the time between the points
21:54.34Blizz-ArtestruNo no
21:54.46Blizz-ArtestruAutokey will just change the position from a to b over time... the animation plays no role
21:54.58Blizz-ArtestruAnimation only plays a role for pathing
21:55.12Blizz-ArtestruBut you can change both the animation scale (to slow it down) and the movement speed separately
21:55.32Blizz-ArtestruSo if you want to slow a roach down, lower its scale to say 0.8 and the movement speed to say 125 or whatever looks right for what you're doing
21:55.37A1winsharf224_, maybe with "ignore placement requirements", but they still use a footprint which then gets misaligned
21:55.40PrettyAwesomeAh, was just double checking. So there is still that moonwalking effect if you dont get it right.
21:55.41PrettyAwesomeOkay
21:55.46PrettyAwesomeI do have another question.
21:55.48VindicatorArtestru: are we able to publish globally now?
21:56.10Blizz-ArtestruYeah, it's one of the things you need to worry about with the animation... we keep it free so you can do what you want, but it does mean it's a little cumbersome when you deviate from the norm
21:56.18Bountyoh wow its Blizz
21:56.19Bountylol
21:56.20A1winsharf224_, if you remove their footprint, they can be positioned like other units (and they essentially stop being buildings, and use collision rather than pathing)
21:56.42Blizz-ArtestruAlso, not every actor has a movement speed set for every animation... you mentioned the zergling doesn't walk... if that's the case, click the animation and change the movement speed until he does walk (usually around 200 or so)
21:56.54Blizz-ArtestruVindicator: I think so
21:56.57PrettyAwesomeok
21:57.03PrettyAwesomeAbout custom animations
21:57.07Blizz-ArtestruSure
21:57.15PrettyAwesomey u no enable custom bone movements
21:57.24sharf224_I don't think this one even has a footprint, i'm using the dominion headquarters building from the first mission
21:57.24Blizz-Artestru(I have 3 minutes until a meeting... I'll be back at 2:30 PST)
21:57.32PrettyAwesomeTHe stock Blizz animations start to really get limiting
21:57.32sharf224_it can rotate and everything like tha
21:57.35JademusSregOh, yes, perhaps you could tell us about the Herds and Herd Nodes. =D
21:57.35VindicatorArtestru: How :)   i can't figure out how to publish to other regions, and i've logged into SEA with my account and gotten a new character code if that make a difference
21:57.35Blizz-ArtestruPrettyAwesome: Because the graphics programmer wouldn't let me!
21:57.49Blizz-ArtestruHonestly it's something I wanted
21:57.58Dustin|WorkHe didn't?
21:58.02Blizz-ArtestruIt doesn't mean that ship has sailed forever
21:58.03Dustin|WorkArt, slap the shit out of him
21:58.04A1winsharf224_, footprint doesn't prevent rotation
21:58.06PrettyAwesomeBecause having to use community tools to extract an .m3 does not work
21:58.18JademusSregFrom what I can tell, it's used on unit actors to apply changes to units once they are in a large enough cluster.
21:58.18Blizz-ArtestruI am 100% on your side with this :)
21:58.24sharf224_nvm then :P
21:58.27sharf224_oh yeah...
21:58.31PrettyAwesomeThe .m3 import tool works. but on export there is some scripting error on any .m3 and I cannot do any custom animations
21:58.39Blizz-ArtestruJademusSreg is correct.  It also lets you change sounds, etc.
21:58.46JademusSregKaching.
21:58.59Blizz-ArtestruHonestly what I do, which works most of the time for what I want, is to blend animations together
21:59.02Dustin|WorkHerd nodes huh, sounds like they would be some sort of Squad thing
21:59.13PrettyAwesomeAnd your Blizz beta tool only Exports models form 3ds max and cannot import into
21:59.20Blizz-ArtestruSay take a talk and a victory animation... set the victory start offset to 600 with a blend time of 1000 and stitch it together
21:59.22QueenGVindicator do you need help with publishing to other regions?
21:59.24PrettyAwesomeso for machinima its uses are so limited
21:59.26sharf224I don't think it has a footprint...
21:59.27Dustin|WorkYeah I bitched at them for not having an importer :P
21:59.31VindicatorQueenG: Aye
21:59.32ZoldenBlizz-Artestru: did you ask someone about dialog displaying RTT channel?
21:59.39Blizz-ArtestruYou can do a lot with stitching, surprisingly.  
21:59.43Dustin|WorkI thought BLizzard are going to release all it's model sources
21:59.50Blizz-ArtestruZolden: Yes, sorry, I forgot to get back to you.  The only way it would work is with a cutscene frame.
21:59.51JademusSregI'll ask about Water regions and the other semi-recent additions next time.
21:59.56Dustin|WorkWhich is why it wasn't going to make an importer
22:00.11ZoldenBlizz-Artestru: ok, thank you
22:00.14PrettyAwesomeYeah, but stitching stuff is so half-assed. For episode six the Dark Templar is going to be reading his emo poem..But I cannot do the animations I need him to do
22:00.31Blizz-ArtestruWe made a video that will be released soon that shows me making a Story Mode cutscene and stitching together dialog and animations to make an entirely new scene.
22:00.41Blizz-ArtestruI agree it's not dieal
22:00.42QueenGsure i can help out: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/47972-global-play-publishing-available/?page=2#posts. Goto my post
22:00.43Blizz-Artestruideal*
22:00.49sharf224got it a1, it did have a footprint, thanks
22:01.07A1winhehe
22:01.14Blizz-ArtestruOkay gotta run to my meeting
22:01.16Blizz-ArtestruBe back in 30 minutes
22:01.18A1winyeah footprint doesn't necessarily mean it blocks pathing
22:01.20PrettyAwesomeBecause if you contrast with even Source Filmaker it has everything that I could ever want in terms of animations.
22:01.22PrettyAwesomeOkay glhf
22:01.26sharf224wish you could paintbucket uniform height...
22:01.54Blizz-ArtestruOr not, he's not there.
22:02.22Blizz-ArtestruPrettyAwesome: The two tools have two different use cases.
22:04.20JademusSregIn that case, the additions to the data and galaxy API since 1.5 are mostly obvious in their purpose and use, however some are less than obvious.
22:04.46JademusSregwishes light set messages could be used on spot and omni lights.
22:05.21JademusSregAre the light-related actor messages intended for Regions or what?
22:07.03TaintedwispTaintedwisp wishes Omni lights could be set to work on all settings -_-, and that the animated kerrigan background would animate based on portrait settings...
22:08.02ZoldenTaintedwisp: I checked hero glow and don't know hwat is wrong
22:08.16Taintedwispdarn
22:08.19Zoldenit shouldn't change its brightness to black or disappear
22:08.23TaintedwispRight now its unuseable :(.
22:08.53Taintedwispand 2.0.4 broke my cutscene/trigger hero select.
22:09.00TaintedwispI cant work on evofrenzy anymore without that fixed -_-
22:09.10Zoldenthe only thing I can do is increase its priority and change projector layer which I don't know what means
22:09.51Zoldeni'll give you another version, try it, but not sure it will fix anything
22:10.16Taintedwispokie
22:11.30sharf224can you randomize texture placement?
22:12.02JademusSregYou can randomly apply splats.
22:12.51sharf224how?
22:13.11JademusSregPainted terrain texture, however, is not modifiable at runtime.
22:13.37JademusSregWell, you'd need a splat, and need a way to change the splat's texture(s).
22:13.38sharf224is that done at map load?
22:13.59sharf224I just don't want to pain the whole map :P
22:14.01JademusSregTerrain textures are stored files in the map mpq.
22:14.19JademusSregRather like several bitmaps.
22:15.03Zoldensharf224: you can use decals as textures or creep
22:18.34QueenGdid everything work out Vindicator?
22:18.53Zoldensharf224: example:  http://i.snag.gy/tkGe1.jpg   random terrain, used creep with cliff texture as cliffs
22:20.27A1winooh, that's starting to look nice :x
22:21.15A1wininfinite exploration map would be so awesome :I
22:21.50A1winthough it'd need some variation in the terrain types too but well
22:21.53Dustin|WorkZolden
22:21.59Dustin|WorkThat's coming along super nice
22:23.31sharf224can you disable the quick command card via triggers?
22:23.48A1winquick command card?
22:23.55ThunderLordAFKsharf
22:23.57ThunderLordAFKnot that i know of
22:24.00ThunderLordAFKoh
22:24.07ThunderLordBut
22:24.14ThunderLordin the button, u can force ur buttons visable
22:24.25ThunderLordthere is a flag for that
22:24.36Blizz-ArtestruTaintedwisp: The light actor messages should work on spots and omni lights.
22:24.41Dustin|WorkSharf
22:24.43ThunderLordso if u Shift select all ur buttons, it accomplishes the same thing
22:24.46ZoldenA1win: Dustin|Work to make it work perfect blizz must improve terrain deformer actors, and Tenarsis said that he will pass my suggestion thread to someone responsible, so there is a chance it will work good
22:24.51Taintedwispwhat?
22:25.02Dustin|WorkGood!
22:25.07TaintedwispWill that make lights work on low settings?
22:25.09A1winnice
22:25.12Dustin|WorkI've been wanting better terrain deformers for a long time now
22:25.13Zoldenfor now it has too many disadvantages
22:25.14Blizz-ArtestruNo, of course not. :)
22:25.20Taintedwisp:(
22:25.22Blizz-ArtestruLocal lights are disabled for low settings.
22:25.24Taintedwispthats what I was asking :P
22:25.41sharf224?
22:25.51Blizz-ArtestruThat's just something that will never work.  Low graphics cards can't handle local lights.
22:25.54JademusSregThat was me.
22:25.57TaintedwispI dont like leaving people out because of their hardwork :P
22:26.00Taintedwisphardware
22:26.06JademusSregRegarding light actor messages.
22:26.15Blizz-ArtestruI agree with that.  We go through great pains to look good on all settings.
22:26.18ThunderLordu cant disable simple command card, but you can force your buttons to be visiable with simple command card on
22:26.23Blizz-ArtestruOh, JademusSreg, then yeah they should work.
22:26.31Taintedwispdyeah the game still looks great on low, but I try to avoid anything that doesnt work on all settings :P
22:26.56A1winsharf224, ThunderLord: are you even talking about the same thing :P
22:26.56Blizz-ArtestruTaintedwisp: The way we generally handle that is that we have a separate environment light for low that is fully lit.  Then the standard environment light is darker and we use spots/omnis to fill in the lighting.
22:27.11TaintedwispAHHH cool
22:27.21ThunderLordi think so...
22:27.23ThunderLordXD
22:27.34Blizz-ArtestruAny time you use a light, we magically look for a light with the same id + "_Low" and will use that instead if the user is on lower settings.
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22:28.03Blizz-ArtestruWhen I say "use a light" I mean environment light, as in the lighting window
22:28.17JademusSregReminds me of a light test I did back in the day, you controlled a marine in third person down a dark corridor, and at the end a gate opens and an ultralisk slaughters you immediately. Good lighting test.
22:28.45Blizz-ArtestruBut keep in mind that on High there's a maximum number of local lights, so if you go over that some lights will start to turn off (based on priority)
22:28.55Blizz-ArtestruI think on Ultra/Extreme there's no limit
22:29.30sharf224idk lol
22:29.38sharf224I want my buttons to not be hidden by the simple command card
22:29.47sharf224so players who have it on don't get screwed
22:30.00JademusSregButtons have the option individually.
22:30.06JademusSregAnd you can override player options.
22:30.31TaintedwispAhhh
22:30.48TaintedwispCool to know :)
22:30.59Blizz-ArtestruJuggling performance is one of the hardest jobs of our artists.
22:31.31Taintedwisp:P yeah in my map its been very difficult, I have 1k units plus each unit firing missiles at .5 attack speed :P
22:31.47Blizz-ArtestruThat's a lot of stuff
22:31.48sharf224how do you do it for individual buttons? the hides for simple text thing?
22:31.51Taintedwisp:)
22:32.18TaintedwispI wanted to remake the Evolves EXPERIENCE from Brood war, but didnt want to remake evolves, :P I think i have done pretty well to make it feel retro without it being outdated
22:32.33JademusSregYeah, sharf.
22:32.56TaintedwispAlso Artestru, you can texture swap in the cutscene editor right?
22:33.10Blizz-ArtestruNo :(
22:33.30Blizz-ArtestruThere's a hacky workaround if you want to hear it
22:33.37JademusSreg=D
22:33.47Ahliyes
22:33.50Ahliwe want
22:33.51Blizz-ArtestruI assume when you say swap you want to actually swap at some specific time in the cutscene?
22:33.56JademusSregOne can never know too many hacky workarounds.
22:33.59Blizz-ArtestruSo here's what you do:
22:34.05Blizz-ArtestruFirst, add a bookmark at the time
22:34.13Blizz-Artestru(Bookmark node added to the Director node)
22:34.14Ahlijust preview random textures we might use for texture select by ID :D
22:34.30Blizz-ArtestruGive it a name
22:34.42Blizz-ArtestruThen add a trigger that listens to the cutscene bookmark fired event
22:34.46Blizz-Artestrufor that bookmark name
22:34.54Blizz-ArtestruThen back in the cutscene, give your actor a finder tag
22:35.05Blizz-ArtestruThen back in the triggers, look up the actor via that finder tag
22:35.09Blizz-Artestruand send it the actor message
22:35.26Blizz-ArtestruIf that's what you meant, that's how to do it :)
22:35.40Blizz-ArtestruYou can use bookmarks and finder tags to do anything to any actor inside a cutscene
22:35.48Blizz-ArtestruYou won't see it happen in the editor, but in the game it will work
22:35.57TaintedwispNah it doesnt have to swap at any specific time
22:35.57Taintedwisp:P
22:36.02AhliI'm lost at adding a bookmark to the time... I'm a 100% cutscene noob
22:36.07TaintedwispGotcha
22:36.13TaintedwispPrettyAwesome
22:36.16TaintedwispRecord what he just said
22:36.24Taintedwispput it ina note pad :P
22:36.35TaintedwispI will try to explain it to you later if you get confusede
22:36.50Taintedwisp:P
22:37.05Ahlihttp://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/19q1i8/in_24_hours_we_will_be_hosting_an_ama_with_sc2/
22:37.09TaintedwispI am a noob at cutscenes too but I understand a few things since 2.0.4 broke my hero select and I have been working to fix it
22:37.26Blizz-ArtestruAhli: If that's the case, then you shouldn't pay attention to what I just said.  :)
22:37.58Ahlino, I suck up all info about sc2 like a swamp somehow... I think it's saved somewhere in my head forever now
22:38.27JademusSregYes. Passive commitment to memory of technical detail. =D
22:38.56JademusSregAh, loving Take Command.
22:39.05JademusSregAlso, loving the overlap index.
22:39.09AhliI wish I could memorize the things that I need in my exams like that...
22:39.26JademusSregNow zerglings and ultralisks can frolic together.
22:39.37ThunderLordI wish we had exams on starcraft...
22:39.51A1winJademusSreg, what's that?
22:40.15JademusSregGo to unit data, Movement : Overlap Index.
22:40.37A1winI mean what does it do
22:40.43Ahlimakes you able to recreate the ultralisks and the erzglings from hots trailer
22:40.54Ahli*intro
22:41.08Ahli*zerg
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22:41.27JademusSregHaha
22:42.10ThunderLordWhatever happined to action folders? where we could collapse our trigger actions/condition/events in to folders
22:44.51JademusSreg???
22:45.30Ahlirequire people to find bugs in my observer mod
22:45.35QueenGHey Blizz-Artestru, thanks for stopping by here at the sc2mapster irc channel. I know you're here to discuss about the Editor but I was wondering if you have any thoughts to my infestor post: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7979928996
22:47.11Ahlioh no the screen flickers again.... now I kill you nvidia hots drivers
22:51.26sharf224lol my map is such weirdly dimensioned the minimap is terrible
22:59.32Ahlihmm still flickering...
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23:15.23JademusSregBounty & Zol, I'll work on your textures in a bit, after I prepare another resplendent meal and array of beverages. Both should be done tonightish.
23:15.44Bountyawesome :)
23:15.47Bounty<3 JademusSreg
23:16.19Monkalizeri have been hacking the ai system and think i finally have understood how it works. One question remains though: if I mark a unit as not initially created (bunkers, turrets, guardians here and there), how do I make the AI build them?
23:19.08JademusSregiirc, the AI will restock those positions, sort of like it being there but then immediately removed.
23:19.37Monkalizerhm
23:19.59JademusSregBut again, I prefer AI from scratch rather than prodding existing AIs, so I may be mistaken.
23:20.01Monkalizerperhaps my ai is lazy then
23:20.01JademusSregbbl
23:20.07Zoldenawesome :)
23:20.10Zolden<3 JademusSreg
23:20.42Monkalizerwhen you write them from scratch, how deep do you go?
23:21.04MonkalizerI mean are you writing all checks and counters for how many units have, or are you defining the build orders?
23:21.37ZoldenMonkalizer: from scratch means billion of approaches
23:21.44Zoldenyou can make emotional ai
23:22.03Zoldenor ai which tricks you all the way
23:22.10sharf224jademus
23:22.18Monkalizerneeh, not worth it
23:22.19Zoldenor ai which kicks you via multitasking
23:22.31Monkalizeryou cant see smiles on the units anyway
23:23.13Monkalizerim building a campaign, so there is no real need to be super-generic
23:23.24Zoldenunits can create a smile by their bodies
23:23.34Monkalizeri just want to be able to adjust how much buildings the ai should sprinkle out
23:24.09Monkalizerzerglings look very happy when they galop around
23:28.38Zoldenkerrigan is hitler
23:28.44Monkalizernooo
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23:29.01Monkalizeri knew it
23:29.04sharf224I need opinions, what zerg unit makes the best intelligence based hero?
23:29.22Zoldenbrainling
23:29.55Monkalizeroverseer
23:30.12QueenGuse the queen, sharf224
23:30.24Monkalizerthe infested terran colonist scientist would also be good, but there is no playable model
23:30.45sharf224was a toss up between queen and kerrigen
23:30.59Monkalizeryeah the queen is better
23:31.09Monkalizerqyeen
23:32.02MonkalizerI use to play protoss special forces, the guy behind it made the queens super fast
23:32.16Monkalizerthey were really scare because they had such a long reach with those arms
23:32.42Monkalizerare you making something dotaesque
23:32.43Monkalizer=
23:32.45Monkalizer?
23:33.07QueenGwhatcha making sharf224?
23:33.09heroliefQueen.
23:33.15QueenGhttp://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/19q1i8/in_24_hours_we_will_be_hosting_an_ama_with_sc2/
23:33.19heroliefsharf224, Queen by far.
23:33.56Monkalizerwhats a iama
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23:34.09sharf224I'm making a co op hero game
23:34.20duckiesyou're what?
23:34.24sharf224and I have 1 hero of each attribute, strength, dex, and int
23:34.27sharf224and 1 hybrid
23:34.34sharf224err
23:34.35QueenGoh nice
23:34.36sharf2243 hybrids*
23:34.54sharf224zealot, marine, marauder, high temp, zergling and...queen I guess
23:35.04duckieswhat about gameplay, what it'll be about?!
23:35.18Monkalizernice
23:35.22sharf224been keeping that under wraps for now :P
23:35.40duckiesafter hearing that' it's that genre which I'm starved for I'm awfully interested in what you're doing :D
23:35.59duckiesI'd do the same :P I'll be starving some more then
23:36.16sharf224lol
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23:36.19sharf224I'm hoping
23:36.27sharf224that by the end of the week, I'll have something playable
23:36.27DustinI need to finish my map so you can get some jerking it time in duckies
23:36.45sharf224wont have all the heroes, but it will be playable for testers
23:36.49Monkalizera feature ive been missing on the terran side is a replacement of the thor
23:37.04duckiesyes you do dustin!
23:37.21duckiesstop reading irc and go map! :D
23:37.36Monkalizeryou would build legs with an engine in the factory, and then scvs could finish them off, building various turrets on top
23:37.51Dustin:D
23:38.02Ahliwin8 installs an nvidia driver automatically :X but nvidia's driver does not recognize it as a driver...
23:38.05sharf224gonna need some help with hero abilities at some point too :P
23:38.45Monkalizerim pretty bad with data editor :)
23:39.14duckieshm, sharf224 use roach for int hero
23:40.01duckiesroach in itself is a cool looking unit, while queen looks too big and motherly :/
23:40.22Monkalizerwhat are you puttin into the "intelligence"?
23:40.31sharf224well
23:40.35Monkalizeris it sneaky or is it somethnig like an awac=
23:40.37Monkalizer?
23:40.39sharf224it's actually one of the hybrids
23:40.41duckiesbesides, those are just stats, make things look cool!
23:40.51sharf224the high templar is the int hero
23:41.16Ahlior does it flicker because I'm using low settings... hmm
23:41.27sharf224it is the intelligence dexterity hybrid
23:42.08Ahliok, how can I check if my graphics card is fine?
23:42.11sharf224so...
23:42.32sharf224some of my old abilities will work, was going to be a hydra, that had some hit and run tactics but those don't all apply anymore
23:42.58Ahlion high settings nearly everything in the bnet main screen turned green and flickered
23:43.16sharf224I'm lowest :P so I wouldn't know
23:43.30QueenGthe co-op hero game, will it play like the Night of the Dead or Sky Fortress map?
23:44.29Monkalizerperhaps its some frequency problems
23:44.57duckieshow many diablo-like hero maps we have on bnet? (where each hero is a jack of all trades that isn't limited by one strategy)
23:45.11sharf224haven't played those so idk :P
23:45.32Ahlilet's start to count them: 1
23:45.59Monkalizeri would like to have a map where there was only one hero, with one ability, that everyone controls together using dialog buttons
23:46.32Ahlinope... I fear my graphics card is slowly dieing
23:46.35Monkalizerthen there would be one zergling that the players have to agree on how to kill
23:46.44Bountytest anyone? :)
23:46.51Monkalizerdo you have any other games installed?
23:48.34Ahliwell, a few :D but now I try a stresstest
23:48.45Monkalizeryou can always download some demo from steam and try that if you want to make sure
23:48.48Monkalizerjj
23:48.50Monkalizerkk
23:49.29Monkalizerits also possible that its something with all the new software (new windows, new patch etc)
23:51.10Ahliok, it flickers there, too... I installed the new nvidia driver... but now I cleaned it and I think I made a more or less proper new installation
23:51.49Monkalizerif you want to reinstall drivers properly I think you have to reboot into safe mode and remove stuff manually
23:52.10Monkalizeror so ive heard
23:52.12QueenGi recommend them playing them sharf224, they are really fun teamwork hero maps. Another one is: Starcraft Battlefront.
23:53.43BountyDown for a test QueenG?
23:54.17QueenGsorry Bounty, im busy playing campaign :)
23:54.29sharf224I'm stuck on the last mission on brutal
23:54.41QueenGi shoulda done this long time ago. I am getting all the achievements and playing the campaign on brutal
23:55.01sharf224that's what I'm doing
23:56.12Monkalizeris it possible to set behaviour data and upgrade data with triggers from ingame?
23:57.37BountyJademusSreg?
23:59.24QueenGsharf224, I just beat it on brutal. What I did was place like 20 tanks sieged around the Mercenary Compound. I sell all the bunkers so that the path going to the artifact is wide open. My is just marines and medics. Then I have 10 Banshees going around killing the nydus worms

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