| 00:00.02 | Taintedwisp | no.. |
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| 00:00.26 | Bounty | Hay Guyz |
| 00:00.41 | ployne | there are no "Effect:Unit" |
| 00:01.01 | A1win | it depends on the effect's type what fields it has |
| 00:01.14 | Taintedwisp | hey bounty |
| 00:01.16 | Taintedwisp | whats uo |
| 00:01.20 | Bounty | n2m u |
| 00:01.22 | Taintedwisp | long time no see... and it was a good time |
| 00:01.23 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 00:01.25 | ployne | it says "Target is out of range" when I cast out of range. |
| 00:01.33 | Taintedwisp | Nm working on Evo-Frenzy. |
| 00:01.37 | Bounty | I am sorry to come back and disturb you |
| 00:01.39 | Taintedwisp | Plugging in a new system |
| 00:01.39 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 00:01.49 | Bounty | Still working on one thing? Ew |
| 00:01.54 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 00:02.01 | Taintedwisp | I like to put time and thought into my projects |
| 00:02.02 | Bounty | I'll never understand you people |
| 00:02.02 | Taintedwisp | :)) |
| 00:02.10 | Bounty | Oh i put thought |
| 00:02.19 | Bounty | Just not time |
| 00:02.20 | Taintedwisp | yeah the initial thought :P |
| 00:02.29 | Bounty | Thats all you need |
| 00:02.31 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 00:02.42 | Taintedwisp | If all I had put in was initial thought this would be Evolves with piss poor heroes |
| 00:02.43 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 00:03.02 | Bounty | We make two totally diff types of games my friend |
| 00:03.09 | Taintedwisp | :P true |
| 00:03.10 | Bounty | My games do not require assloads of data |
| 00:03.11 | Bounty | >.< |
| 00:03.14 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 00:03.15 | Taintedwisp | Mine do |
| 00:03.24 | Bounty | and thats why it takes you forever lol |
| 00:03.32 | Bounty | Thats why you've never seen an RPG from me |
| 00:03.34 | Bounty | and never will |
| 00:04.20 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 00:04.22 | Parthon | hai Bounty! :D |
| 00:04.32 | Bounty | Howdy |
| 00:05.13 | Bounty | So, all i can think about is a WoW model with a big ass hammer swinging and sending marines flying using the physics |
| 00:05.14 | Parthon | yeah, I was making an RPG, so much work for so little result |
| 00:05.33 | Bounty | Sounds like a page 1 map right? |
| 00:06.22 | Parthon | for sure! |
| 00:11.46 | ployne | could the problem come from the "Range" Actor? |
| 00:12.43 | A1win | no |
| 00:12.56 | A1win | actors are just for displaying stuff, range actors show circles on the ground |
| 00:13.19 | A1win | look at how blink is done |
| 00:13.32 | A1win | check its range and effect range |
| 00:14.48 | sharf224 | lol...dammit A1 |
| 00:15.10 | A1win | ? |
| 00:15.35 | sharf224 | need to do this paper, but I've been wondering how to do those range circles and now you've made me want to open the editor |
| 00:15.43 | A1win | :P |
| 00:16.03 | A1win | you can even choose the icon it shows for it ;o |
| 00:16.21 | A1win | and density for the gaps between them |
| 00:16.52 | sharf224 | so you could make it a solid circle if you wanted |
| 00:17.14 | A1win | I suppose, probably wouldn't look very pretty though |
| 00:17.28 | sharf224 | lol |
| 00:17.38 | sharf224 | ugh the internet here is terrible |
| 00:17.46 | sharf224 | everything disconnects every 30 seconds |
| 00:19.08 | sharf224 | I have never had so much trouble writing a paper in my life lol |
| 00:21.30 | ployne | Blink has 500 range, it's not a proper ability to compare with. :/ |
| 00:22.05 | sharf224 | I think that's what makes them walk...I'm not sure |
| 00:23.33 | A1win | oh right, not blink... hmmh |
| 00:23.52 | A1win | forgot that blink casts it instantly towards the point |
| 00:23.57 | A1win | well err... repair? |
| 00:24.03 | A1win | medivac heal? |
| 00:24.14 | sharf224 | yamato gun? |
| 00:24.15 | A1win | fungal growth? |
| 00:24.36 | A1win | feedback, psionic storm |
| 00:24.46 | sharf224 | the infestor's egg thing |
| 00:25.09 | sharf224 | this is like 20 questions lol |
| 00:26.12 | A1win | gah, I want to write some fiction but I already have tons of projects in progress x_X |
| 00:26.33 | ployne | only difference is the "Place Unit" field: mine has one. |
| 00:26.42 | ployne | and the linked effect is a Persistent for Psi Storm, mine is a Create Unit. |
| 00:27.13 | A1win | it's probably some flag somewhere |
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| 00:27.25 | ployne | the flags are all default |
| 00:27.43 | A1win | in the abilities? |
| 00:27.51 | A1win | check infested terran ability |
| 00:27.55 | A1win | that should be create unit too |
| 00:28.08 | A1win | if not, then you should set it up the same way as it is |
| 00:28.16 | A1win | maybe you need a persistent in between |
| 00:28.30 | A1win | ability -> create persistent -> create unit, or something like that |
| 00:29.02 | ployne | hmm |
| 00:29.08 | ployne | Mine is a Transient kind of ability |
| 00:29.14 | A1win | oh |
| 00:29.17 | A1win | can't have that |
| 00:29.21 | ployne | why D: |
| 00:29.26 | A1win | transient means it tries to cast it when you target it |
| 00:29.35 | A1win | ignoring the order queue |
| 00:29.38 | ployne | ah |
| 00:29.40 | ployne | goddamnit |
| 00:29.46 | A1win | :x |
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| 00:30.57 | A1win | also remember to check the "wait to spend" flag if you have any costs on the ability (like cooldown or resource cost or whatever) |
| 00:31.17 | A1win | otherwise it pays the cost as soon as you target it, even if you target it outside its range |
| 00:32.50 | ployne | fixed, thanks. :) |
| 00:33.27 | Repo | New map: Hurricane Shrine - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/homspointzeroonebeta/ |
| 00:33.27 | Repo | New map: Veangance Of Ulrezaj (Campaign Co-op) - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/veangance-ulrezaj-campaign-co-op/ |
| 00:33.27 | Repo | New map: City of Horrors - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/city-horrors/ |
| 00:33.28 | Repo | New asset: Bunker (normal) with Shrike Turret - wireframe - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/bunker-normal-shrike-turret-wire/ |
| 00:33.54 | A1win | bah that reminded me that I still need to figure out a name for my map |
| 00:34.55 | sharf224 | I got the name, now I need the map lol |
| 00:36.35 | A1win | the best I've come up with so far is "Rogue Science" but it sounds meh and isn't very coherent, all it does it emphasizes the two different roles (half players as scientists and half as mercenaries) |
| 00:36.42 | A1win | so not that... |
| 00:36.57 | sharf224 | lol... |
| 00:38.11 | A1win | chase through space sounds too funny because it rhymes :X |
| 00:38.43 | A1win | and it doesn't imply that the players are the ones who are being chased |
| 00:40.22 | A1win | and most of the gameplay focuses on defense, the "FTL" part is just an overarcing thing... |
| 00:40.57 | sharf224 | lol |
| 00:41.08 | A1win | flee through warp space while being chased by the zerg is a bit too long D: |
| 00:42.22 | sharf224 | lol |
| 00:42.53 | sharf224 | Galactic Trek? lol |
| 00:42.56 | A1win | if I wanted to be mean, I'd name it FTW just to appear better than FTL |
| 00:43.12 | A1win | but I don't want to bash FTL :P |
| 00:43.22 | A1win | (and it's not even that similar anyway) |
| 00:43.26 | sharf224 | what is ftl? |
| 00:44.04 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTL:_Faster_Than_Light |
| 00:44.09 | A1win | it's an indie game |
| 00:44.58 | sharf224 | oh |
| 00:45.01 | sharf224 | ok yeah |
| 00:45.07 | sharf224 | didn't know the acronym |
| 00:45.14 | A1win | my map has a rather similar setting: zerg fleet chases the players, while the players use warp space jumps to flee, until they reach the "end" |
| 00:45.23 | sharf224 | I actually have that somewhere... |
| 00:45.25 | A1win | but the actual gameplay is quite different |
| 00:45.28 | sharf224 | got it from humble bundle I think |
| 00:45.39 | A1win | it's a nice game, got boring quite fast though |
| 00:45.43 | A1win | music is awesome |
| 00:45.48 | A1win | been listening to the soundtrack for a week |
| 00:46.05 | sharf224 | never played it |
| 00:49.02 | Kubi | Either I don't understand abilities |
| 00:49.05 | Kubi | or i'm a fucking retard |
| 00:49.21 | A1win | they do have a lot of settings ;p |
| 00:49.23 | Kubi | I have a ability that creates a missile.. when the missile impacts it creates a unit |
| 00:49.28 | Kubi | I set the spawn unit |
| 00:49.33 | Kubi | however it doesnt spawn the unit when tested |
| 00:49.43 | A1win | look how other abilities like that are done |
| 00:49.48 | A1win | like infested terran |
| 00:50.08 | sharf224 | hey a1 can you explain to me why even though I set a supply depot's health, it wont actually change in game? lol |
| 00:50.10 | sharf224 | been pissing me off |
| 00:50.33 | A1win | you can change health and maximum health |
| 00:50.40 | A1win | health is always clamped to maximum health |
| 00:51.10 | A1win | also I think supply depot and lowered supply depot are different units, so you need to change both |
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| 00:51.59 | A1win | 02:50:32 < A1win> you can change health and maximum health |
| 00:51.59 | A1win | 02:50:40 < A1win> health is always clamped to maximum health |
| 00:51.59 | A1win | 02:51:10 < A1win> also I think supply depot and lowered supply depot are different units, so you need to change both |
| 00:52.32 | Taintedwisp | GOOD YOU NEED TO BE PISSED OFF!!! |
| 00:52.39 | Taintedwisp | Get angry, get green. |
| 00:52.46 | sharf224 | I can almost guarantee that that is my problem lol |
| 00:53.04 | sharf224 | lol...I had a comeback to that |
| 00:53.07 | sharf224 | but it made me sound gay |
| 00:53.09 | A1win | I can't think of anything else that would affect the health |
| 00:53.14 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 00:53.32 | JademusSreg | Word of the day! |
| 00:53.35 | sharf224 | well it always lowers when it gets hit so |
| 00:53.41 | sharf224 | I'm assuming that's it |
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| 00:53.47 | JademusSreg | http://youtu.be/32K0nq0u0f0 |
| 00:53.49 | A1win | ah |
| 00:54.10 | sharf224 | didn't you post that the other day? |
| 00:54.15 | JademusSreg | I really ought to script a bot for that. |
| 00:54.17 | Taintedwisp | Sharf ALL BURROWES/Transformed units are different units... -_- for no reason.. |
| 00:54.18 | Taintedwisp | hah |
| 00:54.21 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I post it every time. |
| 00:54.32 | sharf224 | lol... |
| 00:54.38 | Taintedwisp | i hate fags.... |
| 00:54.52 | A1win | Taintedwisp, it allows you to select them separately with double/control-click |
| 00:54.54 | sharf224 | well it's a good thing I didn't make my joke then! |
| 00:55.16 | sharf224 | does it work with tab though? |
| 00:55.18 | Taintedwisp | ahhhh |
| 00:55.31 | A1win | sharf224, yeah |
| 00:55.42 | sharf224 | figured |
| 00:56.03 | A1win | but burrow/unburrow are set up so that they both show up if you have units of both states selected |
| 00:57.09 | A1win | I'd think a more elegant solution would've been to make a behavior flag that separates the unit selection instead of making them separate units |
| 00:57.17 | sharf224 | I can NOT WAIT to be done with this shit |
| 00:57.25 | Taintedwisp | Be done with what? |
| 00:57.28 | Taintedwisp | You no love mapping? |
| 00:57.29 | sharf224 | this paper lol |
| 00:57.33 | Taintedwisp | hah |
| 00:57.34 | sharf224 | no |
| 00:57.36 | sharf224 | I want to map |
| 00:57.46 | sharf224 | god dammit! lol but I have too much work to finish tonight |
| 00:57.47 | Taintedwisp | WELL YOU CANT MAP |
| 00:57.51 | Taintedwisp | MAPPING BELONGS TO ME!!! |
| 00:57.53 | Taintedwisp | YOU CANT HAVE NONE |
| 00:58.02 | A1win | I've been shuffling a deck of cards and staring at IRC for a few hours x_X |
| 00:58.12 | sharf224 | standard cards? |
| 00:58.14 | sharf224 | or a game? |
| 00:58.18 | A1win | Android: Netrunner |
| 00:58.18 | Taintedwisp | Poker or Yugi oh? |
| 00:58.20 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 00:58.34 | A1win | with plastic sleeves |
| 00:58.39 | sharf224 | android: netrunner? |
| 00:58.54 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android:_Netrunner |
| 00:59.06 | sharf224 | never hear that one before |
| 00:59.14 | A1win | it's awesome :x |
| 00:59.15 | JademusSreg | A1, if I may interject, close IRC unless you need help or want to help others. Unless you're intoxicated, in which case, go cashews. |
| 00:59.16 | Taintedwisp | I am on the 27th minor Revision of my map x.X |
| 00:59.16 | sharf224 | I play magic lol |
| 00:59.26 | Kubi | A1WIN |
| 00:59.27 | A1win | I used to play magic too, or still do occasionally |
| 00:59.28 | Kubi | IS YOUR |
| 00:59.29 | Taintedwisp | Magic sucks |
| 00:59.29 | Kubi | FIRST CARD |
| 00:59.30 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 00:59.33 | Taintedwisp | Sooo boring |
| 00:59.33 | Kubi | OF YOUR DECK |
| 00:59.38 | Kubi | A JACK OF DIAMONDS? |
| 00:59.38 | Kubi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AYxu_MQSTTY#t=260s |
| 00:59.52 | sharf224 | I used to play it a ton, but my friends don't play as much |
| 01:00.02 | sharf224 | magic is far from boring lol |
| 01:00.08 | JademusSreg | MtG kicks ass. It is an endless fascinating case study in design. |
| 01:00.12 | A1win | netrunner is also designed by Richard Garfield, who designed Magic |
| 01:00.13 | Taintedwisp | yu gi oh card game is actually more fun then you would imagine :P. |
| 01:00.28 | sharf224 | I hate yu gi oh |
| 01:00.29 | sharf224 | lol |
| 01:00.34 | sharf224 | it's like... |
| 01:00.38 | A1win | Android: Netrunner is a reboot of the game, original Netrunner was a collectible card game |
| 01:00.38 | sharf224 | well, it is very much a kid's game |
| 01:00.47 | Taintedwisp | Magic is a standard card game though, I find there the be less strategy in it then that of even poker |
| 01:00.47 | A1win | which everyone said was better than magic, but it died out for some reasono |
| 01:00.49 | A1win | *reason |
| 01:00.57 | sharf224 | Bon Jovi just got me pumped enough to finish this paper lol |
| 01:01.03 | Kubi | A1win is the first card of your shuffled deck, a 10 of HEARTS? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AYxu_MQSTTY#t=260s |
| 01:01.04 | sharf224 | are you kidding? |
| 01:01.11 | sharf224 | magic is ALL about tactics, combos, and strategies |
| 01:01.14 | Taintedwisp | It died out because it was based on a tv show A1win :P |
| 01:01.21 | A1win | huh? |
| 01:01.30 | Kubi | A1win is the first card of your shuffled deck, a 10 of HEARTS? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AYxu_MQSTTY#t=260s |
| 01:01.38 | Taintedwisp | The game was better, and the rules, but it was flooded with hundreds of new cards every year and got oversaturated. |
| 01:01.43 | sharf224 | the same 60 card deck can play 10-20 different ways |
| 01:01.45 | sharf224 | if not more |
| 01:01.53 | Taintedwisp | so? |
| 01:02.07 | sharf224 | the rules and gameplay of yu gi oh was very bland and unimpressive |
| 01:02.08 | Taintedwisp | I can do that in poker with just 7 cars -_- |
| 01:02.11 | Taintedwisp | cards* |
| 01:02.24 | sharf224 | not to the same extent |
| 01:02.29 | sharf224 | how much have you played magic? |
| 01:02.31 | Taintedwisp | The gameplay of magic, is boring, Its just a hit counter, its pretty much.. pokemon card game. |
| 01:02.32 | JademusSreg | designs a poker variant played with cars. |
| 01:02.42 | sharf224 | just a hit counter? |
| 01:02.43 | sharf224 | lol |
| 01:02.50 | Taintedwisp | I played it for a few weeks on teh xbox, so not too terrible much |
| 01:02.55 | Taintedwisp | maybe 30-40 hours total. |
| 01:02.58 | sharf224 | on the xbox... |
| 01:03.03 | Taintedwisp | so I did give it an honest chance.. |
| 01:03.06 | Taintedwisp | but it was just boring |
| 01:03.16 | Taintedwisp | and even the people online were VERY easy to beat |
| 01:03.26 | A1win | anyway, I'm starting to like A:NR more than MtG, it's *completey* different, apart from that it has cards, deck, hand, and discard pile... everything else is pretty much like someone said, "from another universe where magic: the gathering never happened" |
| 01:03.42 | Taintedwisp | counds nice A1win |
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| 01:04.09 | sharf224 | and I got dropped again lol |
| 01:04.27 | sharf224 | duels of the planeswalkers/ |
| 01:04.27 | sharf224 | ?* |
| 01:04.39 | A1win | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/09/23/cardboard-children-android-netrunner/ |
| 01:04.54 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 01:04.58 | Taintedwisp | Yeah thats the one sharff |
| 01:05.25 | Taintedwisp | It was just like the pokemon card game though -_- I think thats what really turned me off of it, because I got bored of that years before |
| 01:05.30 | sharf224 | that is not a very good representation of the game |
| 01:05.33 | Taintedwisp | I am sure pokemon ripped it off |
| 01:05.39 | A1win | the best part is that the corporation plays all cards *face down*, so it becomes partially a game of bluffing and calling the bluffs from the game mechanics themselves, not just from "poker face" |
| 01:05.45 | sharf224 | more accurate than most of the magic video games |
| 01:05.45 | sharf224 | but still not the same |
| 01:06.10 | Taintedwisp | Yeah thats how Yu gi oh online was, It just wasnt the same as the cards |
| 01:06.14 | sharf224 | yu gi oh was a magic rip off lol |
| 01:06.22 | Taintedwisp | No it wasnt |
| 01:06.25 | Taintedwisp | The rules werent even close |
| 01:06.33 | A1win | yeah, the heart of MtG is deck building, playing with premade decks is not fun |
| 01:06.40 | Taintedwisp | There was a discard pile and deck that was about it |
| 01:06.44 | sharf224 | if you really want to play magic on a computer, you need to play OCTGN |
| 01:06.52 | sharf224 | uhm |
| 01:06.54 | Taintedwisp | Im good |
| 01:07.01 | Taintedwisp | I have tried it enough. |
| 01:07.14 | Taintedwisp | Texas Hold em/blackjack is my game anyways :P |
| 01:07.17 | sharf224 | the creatures, spells, the concept of two people fighting with them |
| 01:07.21 | sharf224 | that is what magic is |
| 01:07.28 | A1win | errm, card games aren't that awesome when played on a computer anyway |
| 01:07.35 | A1win | if you're on a computer, play computer games <.< |
| 01:07.48 | Taintedwisp | Still it wasnt even close to the same ,the way you use your spells/creatures was closer to digimon or pokemon cards |
| 01:07.50 | Taintedwisp | WAY closer |
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| 01:08.10 | Taintedwisp | [20:07] <Taintedwisp> Still it wasnt even close to the same ,the way you use your spells/creatures was closer to digimon or pokemon cards [20:07] <Taintedwisp> WAY closer |
| 01:08.14 | A1win | that's because digimon and pokemon card games are MtG clones |
| 01:08.29 | Taintedwisp | yeah they were :P |
| 01:08.55 | Taintedwisp | Yu Gi oh, might have been based off of it but it changed enough to where it was a unique game |
| 01:08.58 | A1win | some reviewers have compared netrunner to play more like a board game than a card game |
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| 01:10.00 | A1win | and like garfield said, magic sometimes feel like the cards play you, so with netrunner he wanted to make a game where you play the cards |
| 01:10.05 | A1win | *feels |
| 01:10.35 | A1win | anyway... |
| 01:10.44 | A1win | I think this deck is shuffled well enough now |
| 01:10.45 | A1win | :x |
| 01:11.17 | A1win | also, the artwork in these cards is awesome |
| 01:11.45 | A1win | and the theme works perfectly |
| 01:12.02 | A1win | go play it! |
| 01:12.04 | A1win | now! |
| 01:14.46 | A1win | I didn't mean you should stop talking ._. |
| 01:22.45 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 01:22.56 | Taintedwisp | sorry I went to eat dinner |
| 01:22.56 | Taintedwisp | hah |
| 01:23.01 | A1win | :P |
| 01:23.03 | Taintedwisp | without saying anything because I am a baller |
| 01:23.04 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 01:23.44 | Taintedwisp | Pizza |
| 01:23.46 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 01:23.52 | Taintedwisp | Might have been thin crust but filled me up hah |
| 01:24.13 | Taintedwisp | was good though |
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| 01:41.12 | Taintedwisp | no one is playing sc2 Arcade games anymore -_- |
| 01:42.00 | Ahli | sc2 must be dead, better play scbw again |
| 01:42.56 | Ahli | doubling the speed of the runners makes defense games somehow better... |
| 01:43.57 | Taintedwisp | wtf |
| 01:44.18 | Taintedwisp | WOW |
| 01:44.22 | Taintedwisp | i get a full house and -_- |
| 01:44.23 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/vljY1dq.jpg |
| 01:44.40 | Taintedwisp | Since when do we have disconnects during loading screens -_- |
| 01:44.56 | Ahli | the bnet frame looks better than the terran frame I had a few days ago |
| 01:45.18 | Ahli | it was writing text on the borders, if I remember it correctly o0 |
| 01:46.10 | Taintedwisp | -__ |
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| 02:29.30 | Ahli | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/19ck3s/what_is_agent_downloading/ |
| 02:43.33 | Deaod | i seem to remember loading screens having been softcoded somehow in WC3. |
| 02:44.10 | Deaod | up to a point, at least. |
| 02:50.25 | Ahli | why can't I copy paste pathing and creep in the terrain editor >_< |
| 03:26.44 | Ahli | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17899213 wat? (spoiler) |
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| 03:50.07 | JademusSreg | Pew pew. |
| 03:55.20 | JademusSreg | The standard wc3 loading screens were composed of tiled images, iirc, and in that sense (the tiling), it was hardcoded. |
| 03:57.10 | Sevenix | correct as far as i remember |
| 03:57.21 | Sevenix | there were custom ones though that change it to 1 big picture, blp even |
| 03:57.38 | Sevenix | we use a 1024x1024 one in Tkok |
| 03:58.43 | JademusSreg | Annoying to mod, so many wc3 total conversions just used those shitty default loading screens, haha. |
| 03:58.59 | Sevenix | easy once you implemented the custom ones |
| 03:59.10 | Sevenix | 1 big image instead of 4 parts ftw |
| 03:59.19 | JademusSreg | Yes. =D |
| 04:00.43 | JademusSreg | is beginning to sober up. [Earthbound status ailment sound] |
| 04:07.46 | Taintedwisp | vail |
| 04:07.48 | Taintedwisp | vail |
| 04:07.50 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 04:08.00 | Taintedwisp | I am about to evolve Evo-Frenzy okay? |
| 04:08.20 | Taintedwisp | fuck 40-60 minute games |
| 04:08.46 | Taintedwisp | I am about to decrease the required kills for each tier, Speed up spawn rates and do a few other things to make this feel a bit more arcadey |
| 04:09.13 | Taintedwisp | I want 20-30 minute quick paced full of fun games |
| 04:09.19 | Taintedwisp | no more waiting for 2-3 minute |
| 04:09.42 | Taintedwisp | increase energy regen on heroes too :P |
| 04:09.49 | Taintedwisp | and reduce all cooldowns by 20% |
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| 04:20.15 | nooblark | good idea tainted. |
| 04:21.04 | JademusSreg | Anyone else notice very faint rectangles being rendered between units in game? It's most noticable when there are few units on the map, 2 or 3, and they are moving. |
| 04:22.05 | nooblark | it is because of the alcohol |
| 04:22.16 | JademusSreg | Nope. It's noticable while sober. |
| 04:23.22 | JademusSreg | And it appears to disappear with some arbitrary distance between the units at the furthest corners. |
| 04:24.05 | JademusSreg | Test will only work on a blank map, I expect. |
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| 04:25.12 | JademusSreg | Definitely not something one would notice in a typical map. |
| 04:25.55 | JademusSreg | As most maps have more than 2 units with more than 12 cells or so between them. |
| 04:26.51 | JademusSreg | The rect contains all the units on the map, and disappears if the distance is too great. Strange. |
| 04:27.16 | Ahli | pic or didn't happen? :D |
| 04:27.20 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 04:27.43 | JademusSreg | Though it's quite easy to test with a blank map and makeunit command. |
| 04:27.49 | Dogmai | ~seen blizz-artestru |
| 04:27.53 | purl | blizz-artestru <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 6d 3h 26m 48s ago, saying: 'That's not my department. :)'. |
| 04:27.55 | Dogmai | ~seen blizz-deletarius |
| 04:27.55 | purl | blizz-deletarius <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 5d 12h 15m 44s ago, saying: 'I believe it is possible, but I'm not exactly sure which actor message it is'. |
| 04:28.00 | Dogmai | ~seen blizztenarsis |
| 04:28.00 | purl | blizztenarsis <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 8d 2h 18m 52s ago, saying: 'going to go, cya tomorrow'. |
| 04:28.09 | Dogmai | ... |
| 04:28.52 | JademusSreg | It is so ridiculously faintm I doubt a screenshot will show it. |
| 04:29.44 | JademusSreg | Yeah, you will only even notice it if the units are in motion. |
| 04:30.40 | Taintedwisp | yeah nooblark I am going to speed this game up so theres no more of that boring waiting to spawn units or any of that crap really haha |
| 04:30.45 | Taintedwisp | So its going to go VERY fast |
| 04:31.09 | Dogmai | Taintedwisp: |
| 04:31.11 | JademusSreg | And it's not the unit per se, but rather it contains the model; a zergling's hopping movement makes the rect edge jitter while moving. |
| 04:31.12 | Dogmai | evo frenzy sucks |
| 04:31.22 | Taintedwisp | Dogmai shut up you have a pretty ui with shit gameplay |
| 04:31.34 | Dogmai | I can make you ui -_- |
| 04:31.37 | Dogmai | You just never asked |
| 04:31.39 | Ahli | gieve map ^^ |
| 04:31.43 | Taintedwisp | you need to go work on a good project, so you can polish it, :P |
| 04:31.49 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 04:32.07 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 04:32.29 | Taintedwisp | Nah I am kidding with dogmai I know tofu only sucks right now because its just a single and probably the most bare mode |
| 04:32.44 | Dogmai | No new ui for you |
| 04:32.47 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 04:32.49 | Dogmai | You ruined our relationship now |
| 04:33.04 | Dogmai | Im taking back my troll bridge I leant you too |
| 04:33.06 | Taintedwisp | JademusSreg is going to make me one though :( Unless you want to do it and he doesnt somehow :P |
| 04:33.07 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 04:33.08 | Dogmai | Go build your own o_O |
| 04:33.11 | Taintedwisp | hah |
| 04:33.17 | Taintedwisp | I DID BUILD MY OWN... out of your tears |
| 04:33.23 | Dogmai | oh snap |
| 04:33.25 | Dogmai | I like that one |
| 04:33.46 | Taintedwisp | Okay so now the first evolution is at 50 kills haha |
| 04:33.55 | Dogmai | I think I need a leave game button |
| 04:34.03 | Dogmai | I cannot believe that the average Bnet player |
| 04:34.07 | Dogmai | Does not know to press F10 |
| 04:34.23 | JademusSreg | Label the button "Mercy" |
| 04:34.24 | Taintedwisp | Actually dogmai this laptop I am on doesnt have an F10 button |
| 04:34.39 | Taintedwisp | well it does |
| 04:34.44 | Dogmai | Your mom doesn't count as a laptop |
| 04:34.45 | Taintedwisp | but its behind a function key that doesnt work in sc2 |
| 04:34.46 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 04:35.10 | Dogmai | Ill add the button in the next patch for you |
| 04:35.19 | Taintedwisp | kk |
| 04:35.29 | Dogmai | The next patch is focusing on balance, the only update to the game will be tutorial mode |
| 04:35.34 | Taintedwisp | ah ok |
| 04:35.36 | Dogmai | I am going to add a skip tutorial, straight to freemode button |
| 04:35.54 | Ahli | I'm remaking my random bunker defense map in sc2... I wonder if the game design is boring enough to attract average bnet players |
| 04:36.03 | JademusSreg | Ahli, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/BlankMap.SC2Map |
| 04:36.10 | JademusSreg | Use the command makeunit Zergling 3 |
| 04:36.23 | JademusSreg | Then move one a short distance. |
| 04:36.24 | Taintedwisp | So my goal is to have the game run 3 events and 3 bosses each game :P |
| 04:36.28 | Taintedwisp | for a 30 minute game |
| 04:36.42 | Ahli | k |
| 04:37.58 | JademusSreg | It's entirely possible it's a quirk of my graphics card or some such, but it is quite odd. |
| 04:38.25 | Taintedwisp | hey JademusSreg, when you create my ui could you make it a bit Retro feel? |
| 04:38.45 | Taintedwisp | The music, and a few otherthings have given evofrenzy this awesome feel to it |
| 04:38.58 | Taintedwisp | it FEELS like a starcraft 1 map :P |
| 04:39.06 | Taintedwisp | which is its main attraction |
| 04:39.13 | JademusSreg | If it's not detailed in an email, I cannot be certain I will remember any requests. |
| 04:39.27 | Taintedwisp | okie gotcha |
| 04:39.46 | Taintedwisp | Yeah It feels like playing a sc1 map before wc3 came out |
| 04:39.47 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 04:40.08 | Taintedwisp | whats your email agian? |
| 04:40.16 | Taintedwisp | i deleted the notepad doc |
| 04:40.20 | Ahli | which graphic settings, jade? |
| 04:40.27 | Ahli | looks fine on my screen |
| 04:42.54 | nooblark | hockey night ftw |
| 04:42.57 | JademusSreg | In order top-to-bottom, left -to-right, Windowed, vSync, Antialias, Ultra, Extreme, Ultra, Ultra, Ultra, Ultra, On, Ultra, Ultra, Extreme, High, 3D, High, On. |
| 04:43.56 | Taintedwisp | Replace all those ultras with Lows and replace that ons to off, and you got mine :P |
| 04:43.57 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 04:44.05 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 04:48.04 | JademusSreg | And it doesn't apply to non-unit models; effect VortexCreate doesn't extend the rect. |
| 04:48.27 | Taintedwisp | Hey I have a data problem |
| 04:48.31 | Taintedwisp | Any decent data editors here? |
| 04:48.39 | Taintedwisp | My Buff auras are... blinking |
| 04:48.39 | ThunderLord | ... |
| 04:48.47 | Repo | New map: The Binzyard - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/binzyard/ |
| 04:48.48 | ThunderLord | ur the only data editor i know... |
| 04:48.49 | Taintedwisp | :P THunderlord I cant know everyhting |
| 04:49.06 | ThunderLord | Y NOT?!?! |
| 04:49.06 | JademusSreg | The update period > biff duration |
| 04:49.13 | JademusSreg | *buff |
| 04:49.13 | ThunderLord | XD |
| 04:49.22 | Taintedwisp | but anyways, they randomly started to just blink they just re-re-re-re-re-re-re-yougetthepoint-apply |
| 04:49.44 | JademusSreg | A difference in time scale would account for it. |
| 04:50.12 | JademusSreg | Set both time scales to Global, make the buff duration longer by a tick than the update period. |
| 04:50.35 | Taintedwisp | Was probably because timescale was set to target |
| 04:51.21 | Taintedwisp | thanks |
| 04:51.22 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 04:51.30 | JademusSreg | It's silly, but I love using the command effect OdinNuke to clear a bunch of units. |
| 04:51.41 | Taintedwisp | HAH thunderlord I ask questions all the time its the reason I have such a wide knowledge of data :P |
| 04:53.49 | JademusSreg | How To Not Be Helpless With Data: Look at the standard data to see how it does shit; tinker with shit, changing values, testing, to see how it behaves; search the forums for similar issues; finally, ask for help. |
| 04:54.05 | Taintedwisp | hah |
| 04:54.12 | Taintedwisp | I just skip the middle man |
| 04:54.13 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 04:54.20 | Taintedwisp | Ill just ask if I dont figure it out within 5 minutes |
| 04:54.31 | JademusSreg | Well, it is certainly expediant, Taint. |
| 04:54.32 | Taintedwisp | there is sooo much data in my project its a waste of time to try to figure everything out |
| 04:54.44 | JademusSreg | And you've certainly learned a fuck of a lot since back in the day. |
| 04:55.57 | JademusSreg | You've become a person answering questions instead of one always asking. So proud. |
| 04:56.19 | JademusSreg | Able to replicate, Ahli? |
| 04:56.47 | ThunderLord | is starcraft down???? |
| 04:56.54 | JademusSreg | dtf |
| 04:57.20 | Taintedwisp | gag |
| 04:57.22 | Taintedwisp | hah |
| 04:57.33 | Taintedwisp | Not to mention my Trolling is amazing |
| 04:57.34 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 04:57.50 | Taintedwisp | Dogmai... eat a dick |
| 04:58.56 | Taintedwisp | Well I enabled events again on my map :P |
| 04:59.00 | Taintedwisp | And added a few visuals to them |
| 04:59.20 | Taintedwisp | tomorrow I will work on bosses |
| 05:00.09 | ThunderLord | is starcraft down??? |
| 05:01.19 | Taintedwisp | ill check |
| 05:01.21 | Taintedwisp | one moment |
| 05:02.24 | Taintedwisp | The great wisp says its up |
| 05:02.28 | Dogmai | wtf |
| 05:02.31 | Dogmai | i walk into my house |
| 05:02.33 | Dogmai | log in |
| 05:02.35 | Dogmai | and see eat a dick |
| 05:02.36 | Dogmai | you douche |
| 05:02.39 | Dogmai | thats not a welcome home |
| 05:03.05 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:03.11 | Taintedwisp | hahah |
| 05:03.14 | Taintedwisp | TIMING!!! |
| 05:03.37 | Taintedwisp | thunderlord Imma run a evofrenzy game you wanna play |
| 05:03.47 | Taintedwisp | dogmai how about you. if your not too busy... eating dicks and all |
| 05:04.24 | Taintedwisp | aND EVERYONE ELSE IS WELCOME TO JOIN TOO~!!! |
| 05:04.41 | Dogmai | You know how bad you are making me look to potential employers |
| 05:04.45 | Dogmai | The company I keep -_- |
| 05:04.50 | Dogmai | <3 |
| 05:04.58 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 05:05.36 | Taintedwisp | I either A made evofrenzy awesome or B fucked it up completely |
| 05:05.36 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 05:07.22 | Taintedwisp | BUT I ADDED POTATOES IN THIS VERSION!!!!! |
| 05:07.31 | Taintedwisp | okay its only the word potato :( |
| 05:07.55 | nooblark | fuck i hate algebra |
| 05:08.33 | Taintedwisp | hey dogmai quick question |
| 05:08.50 | Taintedwisp | Which option is it in varient to make it so I can kick people from lobby, and move people between sltos? |
| 05:08.52 | Taintedwisp | slots* |
| 05:09.04 | Taintedwisp | I get tired of being player 1 :( |
| 05:09.16 | nooblark | tainted |
| 05:09.19 | nooblark | host is always player 1. |
| 05:09.22 | nooblark | get over it |
| 05:09.25 | Dogmai | You will always be player 1 |
| 05:09.31 | Dogmai | because you created the game |
| 05:09.32 | Dogmai | if you left |
| 05:09.34 | Dogmai | someone else joined |
| 05:09.36 | Dogmai | and you joined |
| 05:09.38 | Dogmai | they would be 1 |
| 05:09.43 | Dogmai | this is why you have a script |
| 05:09.45 | Dogmai | which chooses host |
| 05:09.48 | Dogmai | so you can write like |
| 05:09.50 | Dogmai | -donotwant |
| 05:10.08 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:10.28 | Taintedwisp | sooo what I am hearing is always buff taintedwisp units with godmode haha |
| 05:11.24 | Dogmai | meh |
| 05:11.26 | nooblark | who is good with algebra :( |
| 05:11.41 | nooblark | i had the worst fucking teacher ever, and now not learning it was the biggest regret of my fucking life. |
| 05:11.44 | Taintedwisp | whats the problem nooblark? |
| 05:11.59 | Taintedwisp | <---- pretty good at algebra :P |
| 05:12.10 | nooblark | Total = ((Row-1)*4)+Column |
| 05:12.17 | Dogmai | What did I do during into calc ... |
| 05:12.19 | Dogmai | thats right |
| 05:12.20 | Taintedwisp | that being said I am not sitting here figuring out long ass harmonic motion equations... fuck those |
| 05:12.22 | Dogmai | play pokemon |
| 05:12.27 | Dogmai | LIFE WELL SPENT |
| 05:12.31 | nooblark | how do I find the values for row and column, if given the value of total. |
| 05:12.34 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 05:12.50 | Dogmai | what do you mean find the values |
| 05:12.56 | nooblark | if total = 9 |
| 05:13.02 | Taintedwisp | Divide Column and total by 4 |
| 05:13.04 | nooblark | rows = 2, column = 1 |
| 05:13.05 | Dogmai | well there are tow variables |
| 05:13.11 | Taintedwisp | Then add 1 to total |
| 05:13.27 | Dogmai | no |
| 05:13.34 | Dogmai | do it backwards yea? |
| 05:13.38 | Taintedwisp | maybe I did |
| 05:13.44 | Taintedwisp | I hate not having paper and pencil |
| 05:13.44 | Dogmai | so 9-column |
| 05:13.55 | Dogmai | then answeer / 4 |
| 05:14.00 | Dogmai | then -1 |
| 05:14.04 | Dogmai | = row |
| 05:14.11 | JademusSreg | It has a number of possible values unless you limit the number of possible columns to a value less than the multiple of row. |
| 05:14.13 | nooblark | you need to solve for column first. |
| 05:14.26 | Dogmai | There are two variables in that equation right |
| 05:14.30 | nooblark | yes, |
| 05:14.33 | Dogmai | So there is more than one answer |
| 05:14.39 | nooblark | yes.. |
| 05:14.47 | Dogmai | This is where you are doing it wrong |
| 05:14.50 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:14.52 | Taintedwisp | i could put it through the quadratic formula but that would just make it worse :P |
| 05:14.53 | Dogmai | You only want one answer |
| 05:14.56 | nooblark | nevermind, i got it |
| 05:15.02 | nooblark | total / 4 |
| 05:15.05 | nooblark | = rows |
| 05:15.09 | nooblark | remainder = coulmns |
| 05:15.10 | nooblark | k thnx. |
| 05:15.18 | Taintedwisp | total/4-1 = rowsa |
| 05:15.34 | nooblark | i got it tainted, give up. |
| 05:15.40 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:15.41 | Dogmai | I still don't understand why you need it for |
| 05:15.52 | nooblark | what's the command in programming for remainder, %? |
| 05:15.55 | Dogmai | Like what is the point of doing this? |
| 05:15.58 | Taintedwisp | < just learned he is VERY rusty in math |
| 05:16.07 | JademusSreg | Yeah, modulo |
| 05:16.13 | Dogmai | mod |
| 05:16.16 | nooblark | because i'm lazy, and converted a multidimensional array to a single integer so i can return it easier. |
| 05:16.36 | Taintedwisp | if thats easy whats difficult? |
| 05:16.45 | nooblark | ... that is easy |
| 05:16.56 | Taintedwisp | Compared to just basic values? |
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| 05:17.18 | nooblark | if i have an array of [2][1] it would equal 9 |
| 05:17.22 | JademusSreg | (Sort of like constructing a bitmask for a bunch of flags, unless the array of flag values are increasing powers of two, you're fucked.) |
| 05:17.29 | Taintedwisp | Thunderlord come play evofrenzy with me |
| 05:17.32 | nooblark | because i can't pass 2 and 1 at the same time. |
| 05:17.49 | Taintedwisp | no it wouldnt nooblark :P |
| 05:17.52 | ThunderLord | im testing my game right now |
| 05:17.57 | ThunderLord | im getting people together |
| 05:18.10 | ThunderLord | except my starcraft is being dumb and not letting me log in |
| 05:18.21 | Taintedwisp | ah |
| 05:18.29 | nooblark | tainted, i would describe to you in more detail how it works, but since you don't understand this part of it, i don't think going further will help :P |
| 05:18.46 | Taintedwisp | 9=(2-1)*4) +1? |
| 05:18.55 | Taintedwisp | ah okie |
| 05:19.02 | nooblark | i said it already.. |
| 05:19.04 | Dogmai | Well, why you wouldn't sore rows and columns in its own variables |
| 05:19.07 | Dogmai | Is beyond me |
| 05:19.15 | Dogmai | Its easier to call that way |
| 05:19.17 | nooblark | ((Row-1)*4)+Column |
| 05:19.20 | Dogmai | store* |
| 05:19.30 | nooblark | Domai, i can't return two values |
| 05:19.59 | nooblark | having a simple equation that translates them, over a whole other action doing the same thing that was already done for a second return is inefficient |
| 05:20.10 | Dogmai | o_O |
| 05:20.11 | nooblark | more efficient* |
| 05:20.15 | Dogmai | You've lost me mate |
| 05:20.24 | nooblark | I need to return Row and Column. |
| 05:20.27 | Dogmai | Maybe its just too early for me |
| 05:20.28 | JademusSreg | For whatever reason you need it, you could return a Point, then cast the real x and y to int. |
| 05:20.29 | ThunderLord | Dogmai u from australia? |
| 05:20.41 | Dogmai | And why wouldn't you store the rows and columns before hand |
| 05:20.43 | Dogmai | Yea mate |
| 05:20.59 | JademusSreg | That's how I deal with bezier curves and shit. |
| 05:21.36 | ThunderLord | have u ever seen a kangaroo? |
| 05:21.36 | nooblark | because if i store them, rather than returning them, i need more multidimensional arrays to deal with it, so it's simplier |
| 05:22.32 | JademusSreg | Example: http://pastebin.com/FLJvG8K6 |
| 05:24.00 | nooblark | meh, fuck it, i guess i'll just use variables. |
| 05:25.40 | JademusSreg | Damn. I broke the image example. |
| 05:29.24 | Taintedwisp | wait nooblark are you doing like my triggerer did for the... mass unit mover? |
| 05:29.42 | Taintedwisp | Where everything is built into a formula rather then actually writing out the offsets |
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| 05:30.54 | Taintedwisp | brb 1 hour |
| 05:30.58 | Taintedwisp | SUPERNATURAL TIME |
| 05:31.54 | Dogmai | @ ThunderLord_ yes, kangaroos everywhere |
| 05:32.02 | Dogmai | They are like dogs |
| 05:32.10 | ThunderLord_ | Do you have a pet kangaroo? |
| 05:35.01 | Dogmai | No |
| 05:35.07 | Dogmai | But you can have em |
| 05:35.13 | ThunderLord_ | really :D |
| 05:35.16 | Dogmai | Most people get them when they hit the mums with a car |
| 05:35.26 | Dogmai | They take care of the joeys |
| 05:35.37 | Dogmai | Cause they have a habit of jumping in front of cars at night |
| 05:35.48 | Dogmai | So when we hit roos, and you can still drive away (unlikely) |
| 05:35.52 | Dogmai | you check the pouch for a joey |
| 05:37.15 | ThunderLord_ | oh |
| 05:37.26 | ThunderLord_ | thats kinda cool XD! |
| 05:37.49 | ThunderLord_ | Okay i cannot log in to starcraft for some reason, and Speed Test.com says i have a ping of 1200 |
| 05:38.37 | ThunderLord_ | but like... im talking to you rite now, and im in a skype call XD |
| 05:39.22 | nooblark | oooooh jade |
| 05:39.57 | nooblark | why is there an option for Allow Multiple inside functions? You can have varaibles with more than one type without having that selected.. |
| 05:40.38 | JademusSreg | Allow multiple simplifies passing concatenable parameters by concatenating them for you. |
| 05:41.12 | nooblark | ... okay. |
| 05:42.10 | nooblark | at least i know it's something that i'll never use :P |
| 05:42.40 | nooblark | i know what concatonating is, not sure what you mean by your statement though. |
| 05:42.43 | JademusSreg | Way back, someone said GUI had that feature, so I looked in the xml for the library and noticed it just inserts "+" between the values when generating the mapscript. |
| 05:44.10 | JademusSreg | Concatenation is just combining strings and shit. |
| 05:44.31 | JademusSreg | When you use the GUI function Combine multiple, it's the same thing. |
| 05:44.45 | JademusSreg | So Allow Multiple just saves you the trouble of that extra action. |
| 05:44.50 | ThunderLord_ | my question is, who the hell decided that Concat = Put together??? |
| 05:45.12 | JademusSreg | http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=concatenate |
| 05:45.47 | nooblark | as i stated, i'll never use that. if i concatonate stuff, i'm doing it myself. |
| 05:46.16 | ThunderLord_ | ... |
| 05:46.21 | ThunderLord_ | XD |
| 05:46.24 | nooblark | i need a better way to handle 2 dialogs containing 6 buttons distributed over 2 rows and 3 columns. |
| 05:46.37 | nooblark | i knew i made that expression for a reason.. |
| 05:46.55 | ThunderLord_ | Hey im doing a test of my game and i need 1 more person to make it ballanced teams, could anyone here help me test my game? i would really appreciate it |
| 05:47.01 | JademusSreg | Busy. |
| 05:47.14 | nooblark | easier to sort through a switch 1-16 rather than 2 and 8. |
| 05:50.05 | JademusSreg | If the data structure is not certain, static memory allocation is not efficient. Better to use data tables. Alternately, you can use the User Data data section of the data module to predefine shit, and then lookup via the User Data API. |
| 05:52.12 | ThunderLord_ | anyone not busy help me test my game real quick? i need to stream a game so i can make a trailer for it, and i just need one more tester for even teams |
| 05:57.21 | Repo | New map: Garmling's Revenge - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/garmlings-revenge/ |
| 06:00.14 | ThunderLord_ | still looking for one more player, it is a 30 min game |
| 06:00.28 | ThunderLord_ | let me know if any of you want to give it a try |
| 06:14.04 | Taintedwisp | Dogmai Mail me a kangaroo |
| 06:14.08 | Taintedwisp | I want kangaroo burgers |
| 06:15.35 | Dogmai | If you come here I will buy you Kangaroo meat |
| 06:15.39 | Dogmai | You can get it at the supermarket |
| 06:15.47 | Dogmai | Its healthy o_O |
| 06:16.32 | JademusSreg | wants a cane toad steak. |
| 06:17.22 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 06:17.34 | Taintedwisp | lol jademus |
| 06:17.54 | Taintedwisp | Can I get fresh chopped up joeys? |
| 06:21.39 | JademusSreg | Weird. # isn't filtered out in data entry id suggestion. |
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| 06:27.07 | JademusSreg | And it didn't crash the editor. So that's nice. |
| 06:36.48 | JademusSreg | Yes. http://youtu.be/TFovzHe5wKw |
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| 07:17.03 | Shawn|Rawr | Guys |
| 07:17.05 | Shawn|Rawr | Gaiz |
| 07:17.07 | Shawn|Rawr | Guide |
| 07:17.09 | Shawn|Rawr | Guise |
| 07:17.10 | JademusSreg | Hi thar. |
| 07:17.18 | Shawn|Rawr | Apparently I get to see movies before they come out |
| 07:17.23 | JademusSreg | Have you been drinking, too? |
| 07:17.24 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:17.31 | Shawn|Rawr | Are you rumming again? |
| 07:17.31 | JademusSreg | Or just playing with words. |
| 07:17.46 | JademusSreg | I -was- rumming earlier. Now I'm comfortably sober. |
| 07:18.12 | Shawn|Rawr | I just like how those three spelling are homophones, even if not real words |
| 07:18.39 | Shawn|Rawr | Did I tell you I work at a theatre now Jade? |
| 07:18.45 | JademusSreg | I recall, yes. |
| 07:18.53 | Shawn|Rawr | Good because I'm still excited about it |
| 07:19.03 | Shawn|Rawr | Damn it feels good to be employed again |
| 07:19.06 | JademusSreg | So far as menial labor goes, it's a splendid choice, given the perks. |
| 07:19.38 | Shawn|Rawr | Well since I have no real skills, it is a good choice |
| 07:19.47 | JademusSreg | See any not-terrible movies? |
| 07:19.55 | Shawn|Rawr | The theatre isnt open yet |
| 07:19.56 | Shawn|Rawr | Sadly |
| 07:20.03 | Shawn|Rawr | But soon enough |
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| 07:20.19 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm hoping Oz will be not terrible |
| 07:21.31 | JademusSreg | I may loath the excessively curated and clean image of Disney, but they invest in quality shit. |
| 07:21.47 | JademusSreg | So it will at minimum be enjoyable. |
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| 07:31.21 | Shawn|Rawr | It's supposed to be a huge hit according to the movie theatre managers |
| 07:34.45 | ThunderLord_ | is there a way to force a unit to morph to another unit? |
| 07:34.53 | ThunderLord_ | in a trigger i mean |
| 07:34.58 | JademusSreg | If it has the ability, yes. |
| 07:35.03 | ThunderLord_ | okay |
| 07:35.17 | ThunderLord_ | even if it is already using an un-interuptable ability? |
| 07:35.36 | ThunderLord_ | cuz i have been just issuing an order |
| 07:35.37 | ThunderLord_ | but... |
| 07:35.37 | JademusSreg | The command index will correspond to the index of the ability's command array. |
| 07:35.42 | ThunderLord_ | does not always work |
| 07:36.11 | ThunderLord_ | uhhhh |
| 07:36.13 | ThunderLord_ | wut? |
| 07:36.17 | ThunderLord_ | is a command array? |
| 07:36.19 | JademusSreg | It will, of course, need to fulfill all the costs, validators, and requirements. |
| 07:36.27 | ThunderLord_ | yeah yeahj |
| 07:36.37 | ThunderLord_ | but i need to make sure it will do it even if it is busy |
| 07:36.58 | Taintedwisp | Boats a hoes. |
| 07:37.04 | JademusSreg | Production-oriented abilities have command arrays, up to 20 indexes or so. |
| 07:37.18 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA_wpXztPFg |
| 07:37.26 | ThunderLord_ | ur talking like the unit Queue? |
| 07:37.31 | ThunderLord_ | for train abilities |
| 07:37.38 | JademusSreg | An SCV or Drone can build a bunch of different shit with one ability because the ability has multiple commands. |
| 07:37.51 | ThunderLord_ | yeah i get that much |
| 07:37.55 | ThunderLord_ | OHOHOHOHOH |
| 07:37.57 | ThunderLord_ | okay |
| 07:38.02 | JademusSreg | Also, you'll need to clear/preempt its orders. |
| 07:38.05 | ThunderLord_ | so |
| 07:38.12 | ThunderLord_ | i dont want to clear the orders |
| 07:38.19 | JademusSreg | Preempt. |
| 07:38.29 | ThunderLord_ | whats a preempt? |
| 07:38.37 | ThunderLord_ | sry XD |
| 07:38.39 | JademusSreg | That should insert it immediately ahead of its current orders. |
| 07:38.46 | ThunderLord_ | oh |
| 07:38.50 | ThunderLord_ | Before Current Orders |
| 07:38.54 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 07:38.55 | ThunderLord_ | what if |
| 07:38.57 | ThunderLord_ | its a building |
| 07:39.01 | ThunderLord_ | with an order queue |
| 07:39.04 | ThunderLord_ | like for training units |
| 07:39.10 | ThunderLord_ | but it only has 1 slot? |
| 07:39.19 | Taintedwisp | 30 indexes jademusSreg |
| 07:39.20 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 07:39.25 | JademusSreg | That's another bag of testes entirely. |
| 07:39.33 | JademusSreg | Thanks, Taint. =D |
| 07:39.51 | Taintedwisp | <--- sleepy and in useless mode |
| 07:39.51 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 07:39.56 | ThunderLord_ | hummm, i wonder if i can flag an upgrade as transient |
| 07:40.06 | ThunderLord_ | checking now |
| 07:40.08 | JademusSreg | The order queue != production queue |
| 07:40.28 | ThunderLord_ | but the production is an order right? |
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| 07:40.58 | JademusSreg | Yeah, which then gets processed and added to the production queue if applicable. |
| 07:41.27 | ThunderLord_ | but the whole time a unit is training, is that the units current order? |
| 07:41.50 | JademusSreg | I'd expect not unless you were spamming it. |
| 07:42.19 | JademusSreg | But the API supports checking progress queues and shit. |
| 07:42.22 | ThunderLord_ | so what ur saying is, i can use other abilities while im training? |
| 07:42.28 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 07:42.45 | ThunderLord_ | then what prevents a terran building from lifting while training? |
| 07:42.53 | JademusSreg | Requirements. |
| 07:44.03 | ThunderLord_ | im checking now |
| 07:44.13 | ThunderLord_ | there is no requirement on the liftoff baracks ability |
| 07:44.56 | ThunderLord_ | but i will take ur word that i can train and upgrade at the same time |
| 07:45.07 | ThunderLord_ | i will just make the morph instant and transient and that should do it |
| 07:47.16 | JademusSreg | Might also be the flag Wait Until Stopped. |
| 07:48.08 | JademusSreg | Salsa and orange juice taste like vomit together. |
| 07:48.19 | JademusSreg | Spicy vomit. |
| 07:59.11 | Kubi | Sometimes.. it's really not a big of deal, like.. 8% of adults have it.. but ... honestly.. I sit around all day and draw pictures of dicks. |
| 07:59.28 | JademusSreg | Jonah Hill, Superbad. |
| 08:01.17 | Kubi | WRONG |
| 08:01.17 | Kubi | SON |
| 08:02.31 | JademusSreg | The drone isn't done yet, but I think you may enjoy playing around with it a bit.,, |
| 08:02.59 | Kubi | claps excitedly and giggles like a girl |
| 08:03.35 | JademusSreg | Just gotta slap together this weapon and I'll send a link. |
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| 08:17.18 | JademusSreg | tests some shit. |
| 08:18.46 | Dogmai | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKIu9yen5nc |
| 08:18.50 | Dogmai | watch this |
| 08:21.31 | JademusSreg | ill do at nearest convenience. |
| 08:21.34 | JademusSreg | Will. |
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| 08:29.48 | iMisu | fuck mang |
| 08:29.51 | iMisu | 12 hour shift blowwwwwzzz |
| 08:42.08 | iMisu | is this legit ? |
| 08:42.08 | iMisu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YkX4Yt4ek8 |
| 08:44.57 | JademusSreg | Old news, but there's no way to be entirely certain short of Blizzard confirming it. |
| 08:46.11 | JademusSreg | But seems like Blizzard's approach to drama. |
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| 08:47.54 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg |
| 08:47.58 | IskatuMesk | were you able to fix the raven AI? |
| 08:48.22 | iMisu | just wanted an opinion, i just now saw it for the first time |
| 08:49.43 | iMisu | i want kerrigan to turn into a good lady again honstely |
| 08:49.49 | iMisu | hot sexy good zerg lady |
| 08:49.56 | IskatuMesk | that only happens after arthas is redeemed |
| 08:50.04 | iMisu | O.o |
| 08:50.09 | iMisu | wrong game? |
| 08:50.18 | IskatuMesk | they are different? |
| 08:50.24 | IskatuMesk | o.O |
| 08:50.30 | iMisu | arthas... kerrigan |
| 08:50.31 | iMisu | >!?!?! |
| 08:50.49 | IskatuMesk | they both are boy band allstars, they both have literally no character to them... |
| 08:51.10 | iMisu | what the fuck are you talking about |
| 08:51.12 | IskatuMesk | that JademusSreg guy though, he's got legs that could split a battleship in two |
| 08:52.34 | IskatuMesk | he's also probably afk 4 lyfe |
| 08:53.01 | Shawn|Rawr | I would be too |
| 08:53.10 | iMisu | you make me want to eat cat litter and drown my self with a knife |
| 08:53.42 | IskatuMesk | just drown yourself with this http://24.media.tumblr.com/fa6def51a4fd388a93304675628a2b66/tumblr_miw62ePIPr1rm9t8io3_1280.jpg |
| 08:54.04 | iMisu | cant drown thy self with untextured products of fail |
| 08:54.14 | IskatuMesk | oh |
| 08:54.16 | IskatuMesk | that is unfortunate |
| 08:54.24 | iMisu | that looks pretty bad ass you make it ? |
| 08:54.33 | IskatuMesk | only I can be that terrible at texturing |
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| 08:55.00 | IskatuMesk | well I shouldn't say that because I did put textured stuff into sc2, sins is just too limited for the effort though |
| 08:55.35 | QueenG | hi |
| 08:55.41 | iMisu | hi queen |
| 08:55.43 | iMisu | still mad at me |
| 08:55.44 | iMisu | ? |
| 08:55.52 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 08:55.55 | IskatuMesk | he is probably more mad at me |
| 08:55.57 | IskatuMesk | hi sreg |
| 08:55.59 | IskatuMesk | what's new amigo |
| 08:55.59 | QueenG | hey JademusSreg |
| 08:56.01 | iMisu | she* |
| 08:56.03 | JademusSreg | Hi Mesk. <3 |
| 08:56.09 | IskatuMesk | did you ever manage to fix the raven AI? |
| 08:56.28 | JademusSreg | I haven't tended to it, but I'll fit it into my schedule. |
| 08:56.32 | IskatuMesk | excellent |
| 08:56.34 | IskatuMesk | no hurry |
| 08:56.40 | IskatuMesk | I've got an indie movie to make before I worry about it |
| 08:56.59 | IskatuMesk | but if you were able to fix it, that would be pretty fly for a white guy |
| 08:57.10 | IskatuMesk | as I may return to project apex after I finish |
| 08:57.14 | QueenG | i dont like that song |
| 08:57.23 | iMisu | is megaupload.com free to purchase? |
| 08:57.51 | iMisu | i would put ppv ads on that website so fast |
| 08:58.03 | JademusSreg | Cool, because I've got some contract work, a UI, an SCU boss battle, and a prototype to build. I think I'll work on the AI in parallel with the UI work. |
| 08:58.10 | Taintedwisp | Istaco mesk, whats up |
| 08:58.33 | JademusSreg | Also, badass ship. |
| 08:58.34 | IskatuMesk | http://24.media.tumblr.com/719a1c9c63579ee9a9408213748ba5f9/tumblr_mis63pKW1I1rm9t8io3_1280.jpg |
| 08:58.43 | Taintedwisp | nice model |
| 08:58.52 | iMisu | that is insanely bad ass |
| 08:59.00 | IskatuMesk | there's like two dozen more but yeah |
| 08:59.06 | iMisu | spam me |
| 08:59.21 | Taintedwisp | hey jademus I never asked what kinda contract you doing or is it NDA? |
| 08:59.29 | JademusSreg | Kubi, check your IRC queries. |
| 08:59.57 | IskatuMesk | ok, I really just wanted to check if you were working with sc2 stuff again |
| 08:59.59 | JademusSreg | Taint, I have a few at the moment. And one is making a hero for Kubi. |
| 09:00.05 | Taintedwisp | ah |
| 09:00.20 | JademusSreg | Mesk, yes. |
| 09:00.20 | IskatuMesk | since apex's tactical AI was kind of going to be a big deal and losing all of my last 2 or so months of work sucked all in itself |
| 09:00.44 | IskatuMesk | the art tools are a good change of pace though |
| 09:00.48 | IskatuMesk | all of our stuff works |
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| 09:00.54 | JademusSreg | I modded Minecraft for a bit, but its code is a horrifying mess. |
| 09:00.55 | IskatuMesk | and well, I can probably do everything else except for the galaxy |
| 09:01.01 | iMisu | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=175349¤tpage=34 |
| 09:01.04 | iMisu | :(((((((((((((((((((((((( |
| 09:01.23 | ThunderLord_ | that thing |
| 09:01.24 | JademusSreg | Oh yeah, did you whip your data guy or eject him? |
| 09:01.26 | Taintedwisp | QUIT POSTING SPOLERS... |
| 09:01.27 | ThunderLord_ | has way to many mouths... |
| 09:01.30 | QueenG | same, I finally managed to allocate more ram when i play, not much difference oh well |
| 09:01.32 | Taintedwisp | I am trying to avoid them |
| 09:01.49 | IskatuMesk | I am the data guy. |
| 09:01.53 | JademusSreg | Queen, what sort of processor have you got? |
| 09:01.56 | Taintedwisp | data 4 ever |
| 09:01.56 | ThunderLord_ | its impossible to frown that many times |
| 09:01.58 | Taintedwisp | fuck trigggers\ |
| 09:02.00 | IskatuMesk | I am terrible of course but I'll just have to figure it out |
| 09:02.01 | ThunderLord_ | Data 4 never |
| 09:02.17 | ThunderLord_ | Triggers can do everything data does, only 5x faster |
| 09:02.19 | IskatuMesk | by then though I'll have gotten into the UDK so cinematics should hopefully be fairly easy |
| 09:02.27 | QueenG | remember i said "now i know why my new laptop sucks, its because its an i7 but only 2.2Ghz" |
| 09:02.28 | IskatuMesk | as Retribution depends on the UDK |
| 09:02.37 | JademusSreg | Mesk, who was the other person on the project? |
| 09:02.41 | IskatuMesk | hks |
| 09:02.52 | IskatuMesk | aka no one you know |
| 09:02.56 | IskatuMesk | no one from here |
| 09:03.04 | QueenG | im mobile most of the time so it is what I have to work with |
| 09:03.10 | Taintedwisp | QueenG an i7 quadcore at 2.2 ghz is like a normal quad core at 2.8 ghz |
| 09:03.22 | IskatuMesk | my i7 920 destroys pretty much everything |
| 09:03.38 | IskatuMesk | I'd like one of the newer ones but not necessary to spend so much |
| 09:03.43 | QueenG | yea therefore it sucks |
| 09:03.47 | IskatuMesk | SATA expansion slots would be a meaningful upgrade |
| 09:03.48 | JademusSreg | I've played with him on Warlords & Merchants and the CC SC2 ritual, iirc, but yeah, no consequence. |
| 09:03.53 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 09:04.09 | IskatuMesk | well, I can probably get him to do basic data stuff, neither of us are advanced |
| 09:04.11 | Taintedwisp | its 4 am I should sleep |
| 09:04.12 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 09:04.13 | IskatuMesk | but we'll just have to work it out |
| 09:04.21 | IskatuMesk | that's how projects go, after all |
| 09:04.23 | Taintedwisp | IskatuMesk if you get bored play a game of EvoFrenzy |
| 09:04.25 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 09:04.29 | IskatuMesk | of course, graphics and audio are entirely trivial |
| 09:04.34 | QueenG | its funny though going to those computer stores and see like 1k laptops which have much lower specs but advertise "1TB space" |
| 09:04.40 | JademusSreg | Well, I can troubleshoot data for you, as well, if you should have need. |
| 09:04.49 | IskatuMesk | laptops with 1/14 of my space are advertising said space :33333 |
| 09:04.52 | IskatuMesk | sure |
| 09:05.05 | Taintedwisp | Well goodnight everyone |
| 09:05.09 | IskatuMesk | night~ |
| 09:05.10 | ThunderLord_ | i have an i5 and a 100$ graphics card, and i run STarcraft on Extreme with 2 monitors, with a video streaming... |
| 09:05.30 | ThunderLord_ | somepeople overkill it XD |
| 09:05.33 | IskatuMesk | my i7 handles x264 encode, uncompressed encode, and fraps max sc2 @ 1920x1200 |
| 09:05.36 | IskatuMesk | no overcock |
| 09:05.55 | IskatuMesk | it takes bad programming to really hurt modern systems, and you can only bruteforce bad programming so much |
| 09:05.55 | ThunderLord_ | Okay... |
| 09:05.58 | ThunderLord_ | give it to me |
| 09:06.01 | ThunderLord_ | i want it |
| 09:06.03 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 09:06.04 | ThunderLord_ | okay? |
| 09:06.11 | IskatuMesk | the newer i7's would do that job even better |
| 09:06.12 | JademusSreg | Queen, a processor like that wouldn't be able to make good use of more memory, sadly. More memory allocated to the Java heap is just extra work for it. |
| 09:06.31 | QueenG | yea |
| 09:07.05 | ThunderLord_ | i need to install a SSD |
| 09:07.07 | ThunderLord_ | ... |
| 09:07.10 | ThunderLord_ | yeah... |
| 09:07.29 | ThunderLord_ | imma do that tomorrow... |
| 09:07.46 | IskatuMesk | I need external enclosures that don't cause so many issues with my 3tb drives |
| 09:09.15 | ThunderLord_ | hey |
| 09:09.20 | ThunderLord_ | either give me ur computer |
| 09:09.26 | ThunderLord_ | or cut it out |
| 09:09.27 | ThunderLord_ | XD |
| 09:09.41 | ThunderLord_ | what could u possibly need 3tb for? |
| 09:09.43 | ThunderLord_ | ever? |
| 09:10.00 | IskatuMesk | I have in total |
| 09:10.08 | IskatuMesk | well i lost count around 14tb |
| 09:10.17 | IskatuMesk | let's say 6tb of that is exclusively reserved for recording video |
| 09:10.25 | ThunderLord_ | ... |
| 09:10.26 | IskatuMesk | since I record in 1920x1200 that chews space like crazy |
| 09:10.28 | ThunderLord_ | do u make videos? |
| 09:10.31 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 09:10.31 | ThunderLord_ | what kind of videos? |
| 09:10.37 | IskatuMesk | I make let's plays, compilations, developer stuff |
| 09:10.51 | ThunderLord_ | like showcases of maps? |
| 09:11.11 | IskatuMesk | showcases of total conversions, game design theory, a lot of voice acting and modeling shit |
| 09:11.19 | IskatuMesk | Retribution will have a few hundred hours of developer documentary |
| 09:11.36 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Mesk, if you can send me an email detailing the needs of the Raven (and any other) tactical AI, that would help remind me. |
| 09:12.07 | ThunderLord_ | do you have a link to some of ur stuff? |
| 09:12.11 | JademusSreg | I tend to forget such details. |
| 09:12.19 | IskatuMesk | oh, willing to do more? Well, I'll need to actrually make those units |
| 09:12.28 | IskatuMesk | so if you don't ragequit again in a year you can expect such requests |
| 09:12.37 | IskatuMesk | hold on, I gotta dig through my stuff |
| 09:12.46 | JademusSreg | Haha, to be fair, I didn't so much ragequit as mehquit. |
| 09:13.12 | JademusSreg | Mehquit. Good name for a fictional character. |
| 09:14.08 | IskatuMesk | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSucsRDKvuU |
| 09:14.09 | IskatuMesk | alright |
| 09:14.12 | IskatuMesk | that's a shitty video |
| 09:14.18 | IskatuMesk | but it has some of my older work |
| 09:14.47 | IskatuMesk | what I have been working on for the past 4 years is rebuilding that as something that is not a clusterfuck |
| 09:14.51 | IskatuMesk | 4 months* |
| 09:14.59 | IskatuMesk | so, it will have character scenes, a script, so on so forth |
| 09:15.15 | IskatuMesk | and the ingame assets are like a thousand times better already. I can't really express it in words, so you'll have to wait for it to be finished. |
| 09:15.41 | IskatuMesk | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6fNAYDgvuY a 4 hour making of video that explains that above video in great detail |
| 09:16.45 | ThunderLord_ | thats incredible |
| 09:16.47 | IskatuMesk | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWyUWb5wpPE a video containing some of the voice acting material from that video, mostly outtakes, and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyQkEK4fWwc a newer voice demo |
| 09:18.54 | iMisu | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frSbukjGuLo |
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| 09:24.17 | Zolden | well well well |
| 09:24.23 | Zolden | look who's here |
| 09:24.26 | ThunderLord_ | well well well well? |
| 09:24.35 | ThunderLord_ | who is here? |
| 09:25.53 | IskatuMesk | you re |
| 09:26.13 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg, what is your e-male |
| 09:26.31 | IskatuMesk | capital |
| 09:26.49 | IskatuMesk | I shall send you an e-male so you can ogle his glorious biceps |
| 09:27.44 | JademusSreg | Yeah, it's not difficult to guess, but squirting email addresses all over the place just makes a mess. |
| 09:27.53 | JademusSreg | Usually in one's spam folder. |
| 09:29.09 | JademusSreg | Also, purl logs all* messages, so bots would glean them from the public transcript. |
| 09:29.52 | IskatuMesk | I have sent an e-male |
| 09:30.04 | JademusSreg | Sexy. |
| 09:31.14 | IskatuMesk | alright, that is all |
| 09:31.20 | IskatuMesk | see you later |
| 09:31.27 | IskatuMesk | if you have any inquiries just feel free to reply to the e-mail |
| 09:31.47 | IskatuMesk | thanks again |
| 09:35.03 | ThunderLord_ | sum1 link me somthing cool they are programing |
| 09:35.38 | iMisu | http://linktosomethingcoolthatimnotprogramming.com/ |
| 09:35.46 | iMisu | I do need a test guy however. |
| 09:35.50 | iMisu | New unit |
| 09:35.51 | ThunderLord_ | not even going to look at that... |
| 09:35.55 | iMisu | LOL |
| 09:36.35 | iMisu | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=SCkp8CWboNE |
| 09:36.40 | iMisu | cop slaps the fuck outta teacher |
| 09:36.44 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/AQsekSg7 |
| 09:37.06 | iMisu | LOL jade |
| 09:37.12 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 09:38.14 | iMisu | dude that cap slaps this lady so fucking hard her head spins |
| 09:38.36 | ThunderLord_ | okay someone send me somthing cool |
| 09:38.43 | ThunderLord_ | not trollyey |
| 09:39.04 | ThunderLord_ | i have 5 min for this drivers safty course to expire |
| 09:39.22 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/LoadingScreen.jpg |
| 09:40.25 | ThunderLord_ | is this all SC2 Mapster has to offer at 4AM? |
| 09:40.31 | ThunderLord_ | XD |
| 09:40.34 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 09:40.35 | ThunderLord_ | that is pretty funny tho |
| 09:40.49 | JademusSreg | Made it for noobl. |
| 09:41.00 | ThunderLord_ | XD |
| 09:41.06 | iMisu | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=JIGIcg27-0g&NR=1 |
| 09:41.12 | iMisu | us soldier beat down by marine |
| 09:41.14 | iMisu | lolol |
| 09:41.56 | ThunderLord_ | I want programming suff |
| 09:42.01 | ThunderLord_ | who cares about real life... |
| 09:42.18 | JademusSreg | https://www.coursera.org/ |
| 09:42.30 | ThunderLord_ | i take classes there |
| 09:42.43 | ThunderLord_ | Algorithmic Thinking class is on coursera |
| 09:43.11 | ThunderLord_ | Starcraft Programming stuff XD |
| 09:45.54 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 09:46.05 | JademusSreg | So, galaxy script? |
| 09:46.20 | ThunderLord_ | sure... i should learn that language |
| 09:46.34 | ThunderLord_ | beyond just the most basic stuff |
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| 09:47.54 | JademusSreg | There are two convenient ways to get script in a map, either New > Custom Script in the trigger editor, or save as a SC2Components, which unpacks the mpq as a directory. |
| 09:48.39 | Kubi | imisu if anything thing what an ignorant cop for this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=JIGIcg27-0g&NR=1 - then you're so fucking stupid. |
| 09:48.44 | ThunderLord_ | ive never seen any SC2 Componets... |
| 09:48.52 | Kubi | People complaining about a cop taking a civilian down |
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| 09:48.56 | Kubi | thats exactly whats wrong with america |
| 09:49.15 | JademusSreg | Give it a try, Thund. It's neat. |
| 09:49.54 | JademusSreg | It allows one to use individual script files and imports to hook them up. |
| 09:50.05 | ThunderLord_ | huh |
| 09:50.09 | ThunderLord_ | thats kinda cool |
| 09:50.34 | JademusSreg | So in that sense, it's much easier to work with. Less clutter per script file, about as much encapsulation as you'll ever get in galaxy. |
| 09:50.42 | ThunderLord_ | not toally sure why i would do it like that instead of just using the custom script action... but |
| 09:50.48 | ThunderLord_ | and u just explained it XD |
| 09:51.43 | JademusSreg | And any changes from the trigger editor will generate a new mapscript, which will erase any changes you made to it, like adding imports and calling functions from the main function to access those imports. |
| 09:52.47 | JademusSreg | A combination of the two approaches is possible as well, if you add a custom script in the trigger editor that defines an import to script files added via SC2Components, and custom scripts to call their init functions. |
| 09:53.14 | ThunderLord_ | oh man... |
| 09:53.20 | ThunderLord_ | i need to learn this syntax really bad |
| 09:53.22 | JademusSreg | I'll link my demo so you can see the first approach in action. |
| 09:53.29 | ThunderLord_ | Yeah!!! |
| 09:53.38 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Jademus%20Demo.SC2Map |
| 09:53.58 | JademusSreg | This one just adds custom script in the trigger editor. |
| 09:54.22 | JademusSreg | You'll notice a lot of WIP and NYI code in their, but a lot of functional code as well. |
| 09:55.09 | JademusSreg | The syntax is C-like, so the flavor should be familiar unless you're more accustomed to Python, Basic, and such. |
| 09:55.48 | ThunderLord_ | the biggest projects that ive programed (Besides GUI) have been python |
| 09:55.52 | ThunderLord_ | ive done some java |
| 09:55.52 | Lajjla | C like syntax was a huuuuge mistake. |
| 09:56.10 | ThunderLord_ | Im trying to learn C++ |
| 09:56.18 | ThunderLord_ | but its kinda hard to get in to |
| 09:56.28 | ThunderLord_ | im sure if i just get the ball rolling |
| 09:56.31 | ThunderLord_ | i could learn it |
| 09:56.35 | ThunderLord_ | cuz syntax is not hard |
| 09:56.46 | Lajjla | C++ is the worst language ' easy to learn, hard to master' |
| 09:57.06 | Lajjla | Best is ' easy to learn, easy to master' of course, but in practice that doesn't exist, so most good languages are 'hard to learn, easy to master' |
| 09:57.23 | JademusSreg | Syntax is whatever. If it doesn't impair readability like those novelty esoteric languages, it's not worth getting upset. |
| 09:57.35 | Lajjla | C++'s syntax is undecidable... |
| 09:57.48 | ThunderLord_ | Lajjla where did u come from? ive never seen u in here before XD |
| 09:58.09 | Lajjla | And C's syntax isn't context free, which could easily be resolved if they said that x * y; was always a pointer type decl and you needed (x * y); for the empty expression, but they didn't. |
| 09:58.20 | Lajjla | ThunderLord_, I change my nickname every day. |
| 09:58.32 | ThunderLord_ | Y? |
| 09:59.12 | ThunderLord_ | shit is my internet down... |
| 09:59.13 | G0A | I would say he is tainted but he knows nothing about programing:) |
| 09:59.23 | ThunderLord_ | LOL |
| 09:59.24 | Lajjla | I'm not Taintedwisp |
| 09:59.30 | ThunderLord_ | that kid... |
| 09:59.34 | ThunderLord_ | ur def not Tainted XD |
| 09:59.46 | JademusSreg | Anyway, once you grasp the syntax, you'll want to extract natives.galaxy from the mpq for a handy reference. |
| 10:00.05 | G0A | but tainted is the kind of kid who would change his nick everyday |
| 10:00.05 | ThunderLord_ | ive looked at that some |
| 10:00.17 | ThunderLord_ | ...true |
| 10:00.48 | Lajjla | JademusSreg, anyway, the point is that C++ takes a year and a half to parse because the syntax isn't made very well, on top of that, a simple typo in C++ results into two possible things as a rule: 3823938292 pages of error messages which don't tell you where you made the typo or worse: No error messages, another perfectly valid program, often with undefined behaviour. |
| 10:00.51 | ThunderLord_ | i think i have extrated that before |
| 10:01.00 | Lajjla | Tained doesn't do that, he always has the same. |
| 10:01.12 | Lajjla | I've been at odds with tainted before, apparently I'm a lesbian feminazi. |
| 10:01.18 | JademusSreg | I've got a np++ highlighter for galaxy, but it's not updated for 2.0.4; I'd rather write an addon for a decent IDE than try to stay under the limit on np++ language keywords from the technical limitations of Scintilla. |
| 10:01.22 | G0A | Lajjla use better debuger:) |
| 10:01.23 | Lajjla | I've also been at odds with people I consider feminazis. |
| 10:01.35 | Lajjla | G0A, this is a theoretical limitation of C++'s syntax pumpkin |
| 10:01.38 | ThunderLord_ | if Tainted says it, it must be true |
| 10:01.39 | ThunderLord_ | rite? |
| 10:01.39 | Lajjla | C++'s syntax is undecidable. |
| 10:01.48 | Lajjla | THat's a mathematical fact. |
| 10:03.31 | JademusSreg | Laj, no argument about that shit; it's expected when revisions and additions are ad hoc, but then that's often the reality of development. |
| 10:04.03 | Lajjla | Nope, C++ and Perl are the only widely used langauges which have undecidable syntax. |
| 10:04.12 | Lajjla | C is one of the rare widely used languages with non context free syntax |
| 10:04.35 | Lajjla | And the context freeness of C is very minor, it can be parsed with a minor modification of a context free parsing algorithm, the only context free part of C is x* y; |
| 10:04.48 | JademusSreg | You might get a conceptually pure initial implementation, but after a few decades of putting out fires and adding features, a language isn't going to maintain that purity. =D |
| 10:05.15 | Lajjla | Which can be a multplication expression or a pointer type declaration depending on the context. And the multiplcation expression is uesless anyway because the result is thrown away so the standard might as well define that it's ALWAYS a pointer type def, but they don . |
| 10:05.57 | Lajjla | JademusSreg, well, a lot of language's syntax go there because they were designed without forethought, but they always as a rule try to maintain context-freeness because it tends to help with parsing, Python, PHP are also heavily going there. |
| 10:06.13 | Lajjla | Perl crossed the line of non context free and finally undecideable without people noticing, same with C++. |
| 10:06.29 | Lajjla | At one point someone pointed out 'Guys.. our language is undecidable you know that...?' and then it was already too late. |
| 10:07.15 | JademusSreg | imagines Decisive-C. |
| 10:07.27 | JademusSreg | It leaps from my mind fully formed like Athena. |
| 10:07.31 | Lajjla | C is decidable, just not context free. |
| 10:07.34 | Lajjla | C++ isn't decidable any more. |
| 10:07.49 | ThunderLord_ | but i have to learn C... |
| 10:07.52 | ThunderLord_ | c++ i mean |
| 10:07.58 | ThunderLord_ | anyway |
| 10:08.21 | Lajjla | Sad truth, C++ is used for so many things that you kind of have to, even though Dijkstra, God have his Soul, would say it's a mutilation to the mind. |
| 10:08.36 | ThunderLord_ | i now plan on diving in to either C++ or galaxy scripting tomorrow, but now its 4 AM here, and i gotta get sleep |
| 10:09.20 | ThunderLord_ | Ill talk to you guys tomorrow-ish! |
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| 10:43.19 | Parthon | Lajjla: if c++'s syntax was "undecidable" then computers couldn't compile it. |
| 10:43.42 | Lajjla | Parthon, not at all. |
| 10:44.17 | Lajjla | It just means that there can be no general algorithm which for any string of characters in the alphabet that C++ uses can decide if it's valid C++ or not. |
| 10:44.49 | Lajjla | Specifically, for every attempt at a C++ parser, there will be text files which aren't valid c++, but the parser won't ever tell you that |
| 10:44.53 | Lajjla | it'll go into an infinite loop |
| 10:45.18 | Parthon | but the compiler is a c++ parser, and if the syntax wasn't valid it wouldn't compile |
| 10:46.33 | Lajjla | It won compile no, because it just goes on forever and doesn't halt, in some cases. |
| 10:46.47 | Lajjla | There is no C++ parser possible in the technical definition of a parser. |
| 10:46.59 | Lajjla | \Which requires that it terminates on non valid input. |
| 10:47.02 | Lajjla | In all cases. |
| 10:47.18 | Parthon | the c++ compile always halts |
| 10:47.47 | Lajjla | Nope, it doesn't, there is no possible C++ compiler which always halts, for any C++ compiler there will be strings of text which are invalid C++ and the parser will just enter an infinite loop if you feed it to it |
| 10:52.52 | JademusSreg | Rather like an ambiguous expression said aloud; that you do parse a meaning is not the same as that meaning being the logical product of parsing the expression. The uncertainty requires you compromise logic to succeed in parsing meaning, otherwise you'd be stuck. |
| 10:59.41 | Parthon | Lajjla: after reading up on it, yeah I misunderstood, c++ is undecidable |
| 10:59.46 | Parthon | sorry |
| 11:00.53 | Parthon | is C# decidable? |
| 11:02.03 | Lajjla | Yeah, C# is. |
| 11:02.09 | Lajjla | C# is more like java than like C any way. |
| 11:02.50 | Parthon | yeah, it's pretty much just java with C syntax |
| 11:03.06 | Parthon | but avoids some of java's unique problems |
| 11:04.21 | Zolden | guys, does anyone know how to make dialog or dialog item translate RTT channel? |
| 11:05.18 | Zolden | there is a trigger for it, but it seemingly requires something else to be done to see the picture from camera |
| 11:09.09 | Parthon | hehe, found a faq that lists all of c++ faults, and another faq that conters all of the arguments neatly :P |
| 11:10.41 | Zolden | nothing is perfect in this world |
| 11:10.48 | G0A | only me |
| 11:10.48 | Zolden | including the world itself |
| 11:10.55 | Zolden | yea, except G0A |
| 11:11.12 | Parthon | you must be a neutron star! :D |
| 11:11.26 | G0A | Though being perfect is boring |
| 11:11.32 | Zolden | neutron stars are far from being perfect |
| 11:11.39 | G0A | ( I am a blackhole actually:) |
| 11:11.56 | Zolden | blackhole has a chance to create a better universe |
| 11:12.26 | Zolden | looks like black holes create universes with new parameters |
| 11:13.39 | Zolden | and someone in a new universe have a chance to create something better then c++ |
| 11:13.45 | Zolden | *than |
| 11:14.37 | G0A | reminds me to this short story: http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htm |
| 11:15.36 | Parthon | all the information I can find for c++ being 'defective' all comes from one rather butthurt individual |
| 11:16.48 | Zolden | i tried about 10 dufferent programming languages and mus say that c++ is like a heaven |
| 11:17.04 | Zolden | G0A: oh, i remember it |
| 11:28.59 | G0A | Zolden Java or C#? |
| 11:31.10 | Zolden | didnit try these 2 |
| 11:31.19 | Lajjla | Parthon, you mean the FQA? |
| 11:31.32 | Lajjla | It's often cited, it's written by one angry person but he does know his shit. |
| 11:32.13 | Lajjla | Pretty much know one likes C++, I mean, there are other worse languages out there like Perl but the fact that C++ is on the bad end of the spectrum and it's insanely popular lets it gets all the more hatred because C++ forces many people to work with it who hate it simply because so many libs exist for it. |
| 11:41.32 | Parthon | see, as a game developer, I like c++, and I found most of that FAQ to be way off base |
| 11:41.37 | Parthon | sorry, FQA |
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| 11:42.48 | G0A | Zolden I am learning C# right now and I find it quite nice. |
| 11:44.24 | Zolden | how much it differs from c++? maybe i'll try it one day |
| 11:44.51 | Parthon | quite a bit, it's more like java than C++ |
| 11:45.19 | Parthon | but at the same time, it's like a slimmed down C++, you don't have to worry about pointers or manual allocation/deallocation |
| 11:46.51 | G0A | yeah I would have said the same Parthon. |
| 11:47.19 | G0A | (Learning it for Unity3d:)) |
| 11:47.38 | Parthon | unity3d is awesome |
| 11:47.53 | Parthon | I kept throwing harder and more complicated stuff at it so it would crash and burn, but it didn't |
| 11:51.42 | G0A | It could have more free libs :( |
| 11:55.17 | Parthon | true |
| 11:55.22 | Parthon | depends on what libs though |
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| 12:14.56 | Lajjla | Parthon, the FQA while obviously written in an angry tone is 100% accurate as far as I can tell. |
| 12:15.35 | Lajjla | C++ is also unsuited for game development, it's in fact insuited for anything, there's just a lot of stuff already written in it so you can't avoid it. |
| 12:15.41 | Parthon | accurate, just irrelevant |
| 12:15.46 | Lajjla | Very relevant. |
| 12:15.52 | Lajjla | Majority of his points are real issues with C++. |
| 12:16.06 | Lajjla | Specifically the fact that C++ compiles extremely slowly and has very limited isolated compilation |
| 12:16.22 | Lajjla | Having to recompile like 70% of your code after you change a small part, and doing so slowly, is not a good situation. |
| 12:16.27 | Parthon | C++ doesn't compile 'extremely slowly' though |
| 12:16.42 | Lajjla | I believe 'encapsulated compilation' would be the better word. |
| 12:16.43 | Lajjla | IT does? |
| 12:16.47 | Parthon | and if you are recompiling that much of your code after a small change, then you've done something wrong |
| 12:16.50 | Lajjla | C++ is one of the most slowly compiling languages out there. |
| 12:16.57 | Lajjla | No, that's the issue with C++. |
| 12:17.05 | Lajjla | In most modern langauges, if you change one line, you have to recompile one line. |
| 12:17.26 | Lajjla | THere are even langauges where you can recompile in a lot of cases while keeping the program running. |
| 12:17.27 | Parthon | normally you have to recompile one module or class |
| 12:17.35 | Lajjla | Sure. |
| 12:17.38 | Lajjla | And that's quite a lot. |
| 12:17.39 | Parthon | not 'one line' |
| 12:17.50 | Lajjla | In a lot of modern languages you can recompile line per line. |
| 12:17.55 | Parthon | like, c#, java, php, python are all one class |
| 12:18.00 | Lajjla | In Common Lisp, you can recompile parts of your program while it is running |
| 12:18.12 | Parthon | yeah, but that's lisp, noone uses lisp |
| 12:18.20 | Lajjla | C#, Java are both pretty bad as well, php and python are generally not compiled. |
| 12:18.45 | Lajjla | Well, python is often compiled to some weird bytecode, which requires the python runtime with it to enable eval. |
| 12:18.49 | Parthon | python is compiled into bytecode to make it faster |
| 12:19.03 | Parthon | yeah, in the same way that java and C# need a RTE |
| 12:19.06 | Lajjla | Yap, but to get a standalone program with python that program nedes a python compiler included. |
| 12:19.15 | Parthon | yup |
| 12:19.33 | Lajjla | The difference is that the RTE doesn't icnlude an entire C# implementation included because eval the way python uses it is actually a bad idea. |
| 12:20.10 | Parthon | but the compiler for python is smaller than the RTE for either C# or java |
| 12:20.21 | Lajjla | Could be true, never checked that. |
| 12:20.34 | Lajjla | Never knew C# or JAva had such large RTE's. |
| 12:20.47 | Lajjla | Not surprised though. |
| 12:20.49 | Parthon | less than 10 megs |
| 12:21.00 | Parthon | so not that big, but python is like 2 megs |
| 12:21.14 | Lajjla | The advantage of Java and C# over C++ are obviously decidable grammar and error messages that don't extend to 83932 pages from a simple python. |
| 12:22.07 | Parthon | but if you fix the first error, then the others go away |
| 12:22.31 | Lajjla | In an ideal case, sometimes there are more, the point is that the error messages don't tell you where the error was and are therefore pretty useless. |
| 12:22.40 | Lajjla | They might as well tell you 'code not accpted, you figure it out' |
| 12:22.48 | Parthon | and having undecidable grammer just means a more complicated parsing tree, and slower compile times, but not that much slower |
| 12:22.55 | Lajjla | The worst part is when your typo accidentally results into C++ code which is valid, just means something different from what you intended. |
| 12:23.05 | Parthon | yeah, but taht's always the case with programming |
| 12:23.11 | Parthon | like using a - instead of a + |
| 12:23.14 | Lajjla | 'Not that much slower' in this case means that it can potentially go on forever. |
| 12:23.32 | Parthon | I can't find any 'go on forever' examples though |
| 12:23.34 | Lajjla | That's not undefined behaviour though. |
| 12:23.58 | Lajjla | Well, a simple example, say your template explansion defines an infinite loop |
| 12:24.01 | Lajjla | they're turing complete and all. |
| 12:24.09 | Lajjla | http://www.drdobbs.com/cpp/c-compilation-speed/228701711 |
| 12:24.37 | Lajjla | C++ wasn't really designed with much forethought, it was more piling years and layers of features upon each other until the gramamr has become extremely convoluted. |
| 12:24.57 | Lajjla | "Programming languages should be designed not by piling feature on top of feature, but by removing the weaknesses and restrictions that make additional features appear necessary." this quote is kind of applicable. |
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| 15:09.24 | rtschutter | Hello friends! |
| 15:09.46 | rtschutter | Have any of you guys seen this problem before? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/49420-language-problems-text-being-replaced-by-code/#p1 |
| 15:12.12 | Ahli | of course |
| 15:12.14 | Dustin|Work | Means theres no Locale for that Language |
| 15:12.24 | Ahli | you have incomplete locales |
| 15:12.27 | Ahli | dustin, no :D |
| 15:12.33 | Ahli | it means that the map defines a locale |
| 15:12.37 | Ahli | but it is incomplete |
| 15:13.17 | Ahli | go to map -> locale -> modify locales, uncheck the ones that you do not use |
| 15:14.11 | Ahli | sc2 will use an existing locale, if the client's locale isn't existing. If that locale does not define all entries, it will show these values instead |
| 15:14.22 | Dustin|Work | Yeah I haven't fucked with Locales much, I just know that's from it being fucked up :D |
| 15:16.24 | rtschutter | I don't understand |
| 15:16.41 | rtschutter | So if I modify locales and uncheck the ones I dont use |
| 15:16.48 | rtschutter | it will appear correctly in those locales now? |
| 15:16.57 | rtschutter | that seems so counterintuitive |
| 15:17.20 | Ahli | well... having incomplete locales defined in the map is coutnerintuitive |
| 15:17.37 | rtschutter | I only have English checked right now |
| 15:17.46 | rtschutter | but it still shows up weird for at least the French and Korean clients |
| 15:17.49 | Ahli | that's good. then save |
| 15:17.53 | Ahli | really? |
| 15:17.56 | rtschutter | yeah |
| 15:18.00 | Ahli | let me check |
| 15:18.22 | rtschutter | oh wait |
| 15:18.27 | rtschutter | nevermind I misunderstood you |
| 15:18.54 | Ahli | well, I tested... if English is missing, it used french |
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| 15:19.35 | rtschutter | how do you test? |
| 15:20.09 | Ahli | the test that I did before (yesterday actually, again) or the one that I just wanted to make? |
| 15:20.53 | Ahli | I would have localized my client with korean now, loaded my small locale test map which only contains a trigger, a unit and a text message |
| 15:21.27 | Dustin|Work | You can change your client localization now? |
| 15:21.38 | Ahli | would have configured the map to contain english text only and another test with English + another language... if both loads a language fine, sc2 works properly |
| 15:21.47 | Ahli | yes, you need to login into sc2... |
| 15:21.54 | Ahli | else you can just use simon's relocalizer |
| 15:22.01 | Dustin|Work | Interesting |
| 15:22.12 | Dustin|Work | Never going to use it, but nice to know I can |
| 15:22.39 | Ahli | we can now chose text and sound separatly :D couldn't do that before |
| 15:22.40 | rtschutter | I feel stupid talking to you guys I never understand any of this stuff |
| 15:24.44 | rtschutter | I cant find where to change my locale in sc2 client |
| 15:25.43 | Ahli | you need to be logged into bnet to be able to do that |
| 15:25.56 | Ahli | then it's in the options... has its own category at the bottom |
| 15:26.15 | rtschutter | are we talking in the editor |
| 15:26.17 | rtschutter | or the game client? |
| 15:26.24 | Ahli | game |
| 15:26.57 | Ahli | the editor doesn't really mind its locale... it's just using its own locale as the default active one in a map |
| 15:27.41 | rtschutter | I still do not see the option anywhere |
| 15:27.43 | rtschutter | after logging in |
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| 15:28.24 | Ahli | starts sc2 |
| 15:29.34 | TheSkunk___ | You still have to manually create the regions.xml file I believe |
| 15:29.35 | Ahli | http://snag.gy/DymHr.jpg |
| 15:29.51 | rtschutter | Ah yeah I dont have that option |
| 15:29.54 | TheSkunk___ | oh, for that |
| 15:29.55 | rtschutter | I guess I need to create this xml file |
| 15:30.09 | TheSkunk___ | No, I was thinking of switching region not switching language |
| 15:30.14 | rtschutter | oh |
| 15:30.24 | Ahli | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/47972-global-play-publishing-available/ |
| 15:30.27 | rtschutter | well my options menu ends at 'social' |
| 15:30.36 | TheSkunk___ | Are you on HotS or WoL? |
| 15:30.40 | Ahli | then the xml adds it |
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| 15:31.41 | Ahli | I think hots is localized, too... at least I've heard someone complaining about loading the German hots client on teamspeak |
| 15:32.17 | rtschutter | okay I am trying it with hots |
| 15:32.44 | Ahli | you should be able to do that with wol |
| 15:32.49 | rtschutter | fuck |
| 15:33.02 | rtschutter | still dont see it in hots |
| 15:33.03 | Ahli | just put that xml file in from my post and starts wol |
| 15:33.10 | Ahli | *start |
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| 15:36.09 | rtschutter | okay I got the language option in WoL now |
| 15:36.21 | rtschutter | but still no HotS which is kind of frustrating since thats what I am developing for |
| 15:37.02 | Ahli | hots beta ends tomorrow |
| 15:37.06 | Ahli | slash today |
| 15:37.10 | rtschutter | I know |
| 15:37.16 | Ahli | then everything is like wings |
| 15:37.19 | rtschutter | but some tournaments are going to still have access |
| 15:37.20 | Dustin|Work | Oh shit |
| 15:37.25 | Dustin|Work | I never got my races to level 5 |
| 15:37.30 | Dustin|Work | No cool portrait for me :( |
| 15:37.31 | Ahli | got your lvl 5 on each race already? .D |
| 15:37.39 | rtschutter | and some of those tournaments might be using my overlay! |
| 15:37.43 | rtschutter | hint hint! |
| 15:37.43 | Dustin|Work | I need to do that tonight |
| 15:37.49 | TheSkunk___ | its not too late yet |
| 15:37.54 | TheSkunk___ | this is the last day of beta th ough |
| 15:37.57 | Ahli | just grind AI games :D |
| 15:38.03 | Dustin|Work | Yeah it works with easy too |
| 15:38.13 | Dustin|Work | So Ill just spam out some games and get that shit |
| 15:38.37 | Ahli | lvl 5 terran was work for me... I noticed that terran became my worst race... by far |
| 15:38.55 | Dustin|Work | My best race is zerg |
| 15:39.33 | Dustin|Work | I do awesome up untill a certain point and then I just cant keep up with larva, creep control, econ and attacking cause I got to many damn bases |
| 15:40.11 | Ahli | I should start to play 1vs1 again... then I will see which terrible league I belong to |
| 15:40.44 | Ahli | was platin after release. never played 1vs1s again ^^ |
| 15:40.48 | Dustin|Work | Im so much better at SC1 than SC2 |
| 15:41.01 | Dustin|Work | 1v1's get me super stressed |
| 15:41.18 | Ahli | I used to beat the mapmaker devourer in sc1, but he demolished me in sc2... |
| 15:41.58 | Ahli | I've no real feeling for 1vs1s... and when I loose, it always look like I'm way worse |
| 15:43.38 | Ahli | someone wrote a good review about my diablo map... *enslaves himself to work on it today* |
| 15:47.22 | nooblark | ahli |
| 15:47.28 | nooblark | i'll play 1v1s with you |
| 15:47.48 | Ahli | which league? |
| 15:48.04 | nooblark | it don't matter, it will be a learning experience :P |
| 15:48.26 | Ahli | us server? |
| 15:48.34 | nooblark | yeah, NA |
| 15:48.43 | Ahli | or hots beta? |
| 15:48.49 | nooblark | whatever you prefer |
| 15:48.55 | Ahli | gogo hots, screw wol |
| 15:49.01 | nooblark | lol okay |
| 15:49.28 | nooblark | i haven't updated hots in awhile |
| 15:49.38 | nooblark | lol |
| 15:50.33 | Ahli | and I played like 20 1vs1 in WoL after its release |
| 15:51.08 | Ahli | channel? sc2mapster? |
| 15:51.14 | nooblark | yah be ther ein a sec |
| 15:51.18 | Ahli | k |
| 15:51.21 | Ahli | which race? |
| 15:51.28 | Ahli | do I get hellbats in my worker line? |
| 15:52.19 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ImdJ3xYUZL8#t=348s for the fluff |
| 15:52.34 | nooblark | honestly, i havent played a lot of HOTS to know what 1v1s are like. my friend bought me the beta key so i cna play with him. i don't play it otherwise :P |
| 15:52.45 | nooblark | i'm in the SC2 mapster. |
| 15:53.24 | Ahli | where? |
| 15:53.29 | Ahli | sc2mapster |
| 15:53.33 | nooblark | i feel like HotS is broken. |
| 15:53.49 | nooblark | am i supposed to log in with my SC2 I or SC2 II account? |
| 15:53.58 | Ahli | no clue |
| 15:54.02 | Ahli | I've only 1 there |
| 15:54.12 | nooblark | they used to be seperate, i feel as though they may have combined them |
| 15:54.16 | Ahli | whichever you can use ^^ |
| 15:55.42 | nooblark | if my character code is the same in hots, it's nooblark.886 |
| 15:55.57 | nooblark | i can't really navigate through these menus like the old ones :P |
| 15:56.46 | Ahli | you are offline :X |
| 15:57.00 | nooblark | im on now |
| 15:57.05 | nooblark | was resetting my grahpics |
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| 16:04.19 | RiFT | hello, will we still be able to use the hots editor even after beta closes? |
| 16:04.31 | G0A | hmm, game attribute value : game mode : public/private/Automated Match Making was that there before?:) |
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| 16:05.32 | RiFT | whoa would that mean match making for custom maps? or is that just the options on ladder maps? |
| 16:07.52 | Dustin|Work | GOa, that's new |
| 16:08.16 | Dustin|Work | Rift, maybe |
| 16:08.25 | G0A | btw how the hack I can check that what mode/game variant has been started? |
| 16:08.29 | Dustin|Work | But no use |
| 16:08.40 | Dustin|Work | as the HOTS editor for the beta is more outdated than the WoL editor now |
| 16:08.58 | Dustin|Work | GOA there's a check in triggers to get an attribute/variant selection |
| 16:09.04 | RiFT | >.> uh so how much work will it be to update maps for launch? |
| 16:09.52 | Bommes | Dustin: But you can't edit maps with HotS assets in the WoL editor |
| 16:09.57 | G0A | Dustin|Work I do find the attribute function but no variants |
| 16:10.12 | Bommes | so there is use for the HotS editor |
| 16:11.24 | Dustin|Work | Well |
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| 16:11.31 | Dustin|Work | That's counter intuitive in a way |
| 16:11.41 | Dustin|Work | The code is older |
| 16:11.44 | Dustin|Work | but it has some assests |
| 16:12.28 | Dustin|Work | Myself, I wouldn't mess with it at this point, |
| 16:14.41 | Dustin|Work | A lot less work to just repoint asset's than rework broken code :P |
| 16:16.06 | G0A | lol there is no way to check game variant:) |
| 16:16.45 | Dustin|Work | I can't believe that |
| 16:17.36 | G0A | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/40314-check-what-game-variant/#p1 |
| 16:18.33 | Dustin|Work | Wtf |
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| 16:18.48 | Dustin|Work | What is the point of a Game Variant then if you cant tell wtf they picked |
| 16:19.16 | Vail | ask blizzard |
| 16:19.58 | G0A | to have different size of teams, anyway you can tell what game variant is used by dummy game attribute.) |
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| 16:25.31 | Dustin|Work | That needs to be looked at, cause that isn't cool |
| 16:30.47 | A1win | you can check game variants by giving each variant a unique value of a hidden game attribute, and checking that attribute instead |
| 16:30.53 | A1win | oh too late |
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| 16:31.34 | Dustin|Work | So it's possible to just set an attribute based on the Variant? |
| 16:31.55 | A1win | yeah, attributes have default values |
| 16:32.04 | A1win | and you can define them for each variant separately |
| 16:32.09 | Dustin|Work | Ahhh |
| 16:32.13 | Dustin|Work | Not to bad then |
| 16:32.21 | Dustin|Work | Tricky, but at least it's doable |
| 16:32.59 | Dustin|Work | I still dont like the way b.net handles different variants of maps though |
| 16:33.31 | G0A | what you mean by bnet handle? |
| 16:33.38 | A1win | not much point in using variants anyway, can do all the stuff in-game better |
| 16:34.15 | G0A | A1win dont agree, you cant have separate lobbies by doing stuff ingame:) |
| 16:34.40 | A1win | separate lobbies? |
| 16:34.51 | G0A | Also I checked and it seems like that finally bnet counts all your game variants popularity |
| 16:35.02 | A1win | oh right, for matchmaking |
| 16:35.07 | duckies | variants are kinda cool, look at barcraft with it's 1v1 and 8player ffa modes. would be a nightmare to setup those modes in-game |
| 16:35.10 | G0A | yeah for matchmaking |
| 16:35.22 | Dustin|Work | Nah |
| 16:35.29 | G0A | duck in da house |
| 16:35.36 | Dustin|Work | Its easy to setup a simple lobby in game |
| 16:35.45 | G0A | doing game variants for NSS |
| 16:35.53 | Dustin|Work | I think the lobby needs a good polish oneover |
| 16:36.16 | G0A | duckies could tell you lot about ingame lobbies and how they fail.) |
| 16:36.46 | duckies | dusting, one mode is designed for just two players, other is for 8. with variants players know what they join, but if it would be decided after you join game, there would be lots of dissapontment |
| 16:36.48 | Dustin|Work | Fix the weird shit with player numbers, teams, variant locks, host controls of lobby etc |
| 16:36.54 | duckies | and yea.. organization >.> |
| 16:37.20 | Dustin|Work | I understand what they are trying for there Duckies |
| 16:37.40 | Dustin|Work | But I don't think it was developed in a way that's intuitive with the rest of the system |
| 16:37.45 | duckies | I know I know, whatever they do it'll suck anyway, I know :D |
| 16:38.18 | duckies | I don't find b-net very intuitive at all :D |
| 16:38.23 | Dustin|Work | ^ |
| 16:38.29 | Dustin|Work | That's the number one problem |
| 16:38.40 | Dustin|Work | To many systems working too many different ways |
| 16:39.00 | Dustin|Work | No Cohesion |
| 16:39.22 | duckies | So, have there been any new co-op hero maps released? |
| 16:39.43 | Dustin|Work | My map is a coop hero/rts map |
| 16:39.55 | Dustin|Work | But it's not released :P, just public alpha |
| 16:40.08 | duckies | it's the one I played with you back then, with cool gun models |
| 16:40.26 | duckies | the one where I wasn't impressed with build variety for firebat :D |
| 16:41.11 | Dustin|Work | Oh yeah I think you played it once upon a time! |
| 16:41.33 | Dustin|Work | Yeah Ive added alot of customization shit for the first weapons so far |
| 16:41.44 | Dustin|Work | Abilities, upgrades and crap |
| 16:42.58 | duckies | If there are enough cool choices and diversity now I wouldn't mind playing it again sometime |
| 16:43.59 | duckies | cause it's a kinda cool wave defense map, I just hated how forced and limited f-bat was back then :| |
| 16:44.36 | Dustin|Work | Yeah, I've got the game mechanics mainly done, I just need to add more content now |
| 16:44.42 | duckies | "pump this one skill or you'll die, and then die when you max it out cause you can't upgrade it anymore" |
| 16:44.42 | duckies | :D |
| 16:44.55 | Dustin|Work | Which is Guns/Abilities/Upgrades/Armor blah |
| 16:45.13 | duckies | sounds delicious |
| 16:46.46 | Dustin|Work | So much data editing to do, it makes me sad lol |
| 16:48.18 | duckies | don't do it then. be like me and complain about lack of motivation all day long instead :D |
| 16:49.03 | Dustin|Work | I have the motivation, just not the will haha |
| 16:50.00 | duckies | ah, right, the hollow motivation that does nothing but drives you into dipression because you want to do something but don't do it T_T |
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| 16:50.39 | Dustin|Work | Yup ;( |
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| 16:51.06 | Dustin|Work | The editor has crushed my will |
| 16:51.08 | mille25 | hi |
| 16:51.15 | Dustin|Work | Sup mille |
| 16:51.50 | duckies | hello |
| 16:52.27 | duckies | I'm so will-less that I can't even bring myself to fix 2.0.4 bugs in a published map |
| 16:52.29 | duckies | =/ |
| 16:52.36 | Dustin|Work | hehe |
| 16:52.50 | Dustin|Work | I want to finish my map so I can move on to unity |
| 16:53.58 | duckies | hopefully hots will provide us with fresh surge of excitement which will be enough to finish what we need to finish |
| 16:54.33 | Ahli | 47 minute game versus nooblark is exhausting |
| 16:54.35 | Dustin|Work | Got my fingers crossed! |
| 16:54.42 | Dustin|Work | Lol what map |
| 16:55.24 | G0A | duckies I gave up now on bnet, so I will use NSS for trolling one day.) |
| 16:55.56 | G0A | actually I will add some nicer loading screen messages now.) |
| 16:56.14 | duckies | =] |
| 16:56.20 | duckies | It's cool that this patch finally fixed random loading tips |
| 16:57.20 | G0A | dammit cant think out any funny anti bnet trolling text.) |
| 16:58.34 | duckies | I'm a hopeless fool and addict. I can't forget the feeling that few those hero-coop maps gave me when I was obsessed with them so I want to recreate it, bring out something grand and challenging. I want to devour someones time like I had my time completelty absorbed in that activity... I'm such a mean-spirited person :| |
| 16:59.33 | duckies | how about "if this map becomes #1 played I'll replace every unit with cats" |
| 16:59.45 | duckies | ah screw it, replace every unit with cats anyway |
| 16:59.49 | duckies | pubs love cats |
| 17:00.16 | duckies | "catius catus cat" |
| 17:01.48 | kitties | meows |
| 17:02.31 | kitties | ok, enough acting like drunk, time to make myself some more tea and do something useful for once :/ |
| 17:02.39 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 17:03.34 | G0A | duckies I will replace every unit with those pandas... (I guess you saw that map too) |
| 17:03.56 | usefulDucky | the multicolored pandas of bizzare happy times? |
| 17:04.27 | usefulDucky | yeah, that'll do just fine :3 |
| 17:04.59 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 17:12.14 | usefulDucky | every time I see a lobbyless map I want to smother someone >:\ |
| 17:12.39 | G0A | :) |
| 17:15.51 | nooblark | i found a bug! |
| 17:16.03 | nooblark | replay speed affects observers' text time. |
| 17:16.52 | usefulDucky | oh nice.. it's a 9 player lobyless map.. fml |
| 17:17.03 | usefulDucky | and it's probably not even worth it |
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| 17:22.26 | ployne | Alright |
| 17:22.30 | ployne | one simple question: |
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| 17:23.09 | ployne | Is there a way to make it so that an Apply Effect doesn't make the target unit face the direction of the applied force? (I want the unit to be able to turn freely while it is being forced in a direction) |
| 17:24.02 | Dustin|Work | The force effects are so fucking lame now |
| 17:24.14 | Dustin|Work | I dont even understand them anymore with the changes they made in 1.5 |
| 17:24.21 | Bommes | they made changes? |
| 17:24.25 | Dustin|Work | Yeah |
| 17:24.37 | Dustin|Work | Something that fucked one of my other maps up and now I cant get them to work like thye use to |
| 17:25.07 | Dustin|Work | My units pla animations when being forced now |
| 17:28.24 | ployne | they fucked up everything, as usual ;o |
| 17:29.03 | Dustin|Work | Id like someone who figured out how they work to make a tutorial on it |
| 17:29.25 | Dustin|Work | Cause I've been looking and messing with it since they changed it and I still can't figure it out |
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| 17:33.31 | sharf224 | ok is there a data or trigger way to make it so that a player can only train one unit from a building, like a hero select building that everyone shares? |
| 17:36.29 | Tomura | you should be able to do that with requirements |
| 17:36.31 | Tomura | in data |
| 17:37.28 | sharf224 | hmm |
| 17:37.45 | Ahli | if it is hero revive stuff, I fear not with data or the normal way |
| 17:38.02 | Ahli | hero revives is just a list of dead heroes and then you can revive them anywhere |
| 17:38.22 | sharf224 | not looking for revive |
| 17:38.35 | sharf224 | but i will eventually |
| 17:38.39 | Tomura | then the requirements will be sufficient |
| 17:38.51 | sharf224 | not sure how I want to handle dead heroes yet |
| 17:39.14 | sharf224 | hmm what kind of requirement? just a "if they don't control" kind of thing? |
| 17:39.18 | sharf224 | or is there somethin else? |
| 17:40.55 | Tomura | something like that |
| 17:41.27 | Tomura | count unit *herotype* queued or better |
| 17:42.01 | Tomura | and then use and or or statements |
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| 17:42.21 | sharf224 | herotype, can than be a group of units, or just one hero, and I do it 6 times? |
| 17:42.22 | Tomura | if your also want to check if the player maybe made a hero of another class |
| 17:42.42 | Tomura | you need to do the count for all hero unit types |
| 17:42.50 | sharf224 | mmk |
| 17:42.57 | sharf224 | thanks |
| 17:43.02 | Tomura | and I don't now if queued or better includes dead units |
| 17:43.13 | Tomura | so maybe you also have to count the killed units of that type |
| 17:43.17 | sharf224 | that wont be a problem |
| 17:43.29 | Tomura | k |
| 17:43.42 | Tomura | you'll understand how it works anyways once you look nto it |
| 17:43.47 | sharf224 | I'm sure |
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| 17:46.01 | sharf224 | oh ok, here's another thing, can I/how do I make dynamic buttons for heroes, like if a player can choose their abilities, the buttons don't cover each other up? |
| 17:46.40 | Dustin|Work | Validators |
| 17:46.55 | sharf224 | oh boy lol haven't messed with those yet |
| 17:47.04 | Dustin|Work | Good luck sir :P |
| 17:47.08 | sharf224 | lol thanks |
| 17:47.18 | sharf224 | that probably wont be until version 2 anyway :P |
| 17:47.45 | Dustin|Work | Basically, you'll need a Validator for the button, that will evaluate somehow what ability they have (Could be a hidden behavior) and then show based on that |
| 17:48.15 | sharf224 | hmm |
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| 17:49.48 | sharf224 | alright lol here's another one, a taunt ability. a search effect, and then an order effect? |
| 17:50.23 | Dustin|Work | Yup |
| 17:50.34 | sharf224 | mmk |
| 17:50.45 | Dustin|Work | Ability that creates a search effect that issues an order to attack the caster |
| 17:51.30 | nooblark | dustin |
| 17:51.34 | nooblark | these while loops arent working |
| 17:51.45 | zenxu | TIME TO SEE NEW AND GLORIOUS BNET |
| 17:52.43 | Taintedwisp | ZenxU open games is now working |
| 17:52.58 | zenxu | it has always worked? |
| 17:55.47 | Taintedwisp | but now it actually WORKS |
| 17:55.49 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 17:56.01 | Taintedwisp | Leave a lobby open for 10 minutes and usually get a full house |
| 17:56.13 | Taintedwisp | They rversed the list |
| 17:56.22 | Taintedwisp | from newest to older |
| 17:56.33 | Taintedwisp | so now the oldest lobbies are at the top |
| 17:56.36 | zenxu | that seems pretty intresting for sure |
| 17:58.05 | sharf224 | good, getting new maps out there seemed kind of difficult. |
| 17:59.00 | Taintedwisp | I have been running Evo-Frenzy test, and havn't had too much of a problem getting testers |
| 17:59.58 | sharf224 | ok so, am I missing something, or is the only real way to make players allies done through tiggers? |
| 18:00.40 | Taintedwisp | game varients |
| 18:00.59 | Taintedwisp | click map at the top, then click varients |
| 18:01.21 | nooblark | dustttttin |
| 18:01.28 | nooblark | your while loop idea is broke as fuk |
| 18:02.00 | usefulDucky | hey zenxu |
| 18:02.16 | zenxu | hey |
| 18:02.18 | usefulDucky | stay away from b-net, there is nothing new and exciting there x_x |
| 18:02.38 | zenxu | yea thats what I assume |
| 18:02.40 | zenxu | just bored |
| 18:02.44 | usefulDucky | well, except for scu, play it if you haven't played it, but after that just uninstall sc2 :D |
| 18:03.20 | zenxu | I most likely wont even try it |
| 18:03.50 | sharf224 | lol |
| 18:04.02 | zenxu | what days is hots released? |
| 18:04.30 | usefulDucky | 12 march |
| 18:05.14 | zenxu | Im just gona be in shadows and see how it does |
| 18:05.19 | Taintedwisp | Zenxu.... you can pretty much play any map you want now, and after 10-20 minutes will have a full lobby |
| 18:05.30 | Taintedwisp | TO ME, thats pretty new :"P |
| 18:05.42 | Taintedwisp | well more like a missed feature from Wc3 |
| 18:05.58 | sharf224 | Honestly, I prefer bnet1 |
| 18:06.23 | Taintedwisp | i dont, I just wish blizz would get their head out of their ass and would trash the pop system completely |
| 18:06.36 | sharf224 | lol |
| 18:06.49 | Taintedwisp | They need to can their fucking pride, they lost the right to have pride when they became a subsidary of activision. |
| 18:07.01 | zenxu | I wish they will never listen to tainted atleast |
| 18:07.06 | zenxu | that would ruin bnet |
| 18:07.11 | sharf224 | lol |
| 18:07.14 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 18:07.55 | Taintedwisp | how would removing the top 10 from the featured page and replacing it with top 10 newest open games hurt? |
| 18:08.04 | Taintedwisp | How would replacing up and coming on featured page with catagorized fun or not hurt? |
| 18:08.48 | Taintedwisp | I have yet to make 1 bad idea -_- you just dont like my ideas, because I think the map marketplace will fuck us all over |
| 18:09.09 | sharf224 | I'm with tainted on this lol |
| 18:10.14 | Taintedwisp | Though I did suggest an arcade marketplace, not the same as map marketplace, where you get BLizzard funds(not real money) and can buy portraits and unit skins, and backgrounds, and perhaps even WoW time, for playing sc2 games both arcade and melee and campaign |
| 18:10.42 | Taintedwisp | If you play a game for 10 minutes or more, then you get like 1000, 50000 would buy 1 portriat |
| 18:10.48 | Taintedwisp | that was the idea |
| 18:10.59 | Taintedwisp | 10 minutes so you cant just use pre loader over and over |
| 18:11.27 | sharf224 | pre loader doesn't really make much of a difference for me lol |
| 18:11.32 | Taintedwisp | me either |
| 18:11.45 | Taintedwisp | But the point is, People shouldnt be able to just chill in game for free points :P |
| 18:11.51 | sharf224 | mhm |
| 18:11.57 | sharf224 | maybe track apm? |
| 18:12.14 | Taintedwisp | and because the system would be for arcade maps they cant track wins |
| 18:12.18 | Taintedwisp | Yeah MAYBE apm |
| 18:12.22 | Taintedwisp | but some maps are 100% dialog |
| 18:12.25 | Taintedwisp | sooo i dunno |
| 18:12.30 | sharf224 | or hell, even have blizzard approved maps that give rewards |
| 18:12.41 | Taintedwisp | nah it needs to be ALL maps |
| 18:12.47 | Taintedwisp | Its to support the arcade more |
| 18:12.50 | usefulDucky | btw zenxu , with you not mapping I'm now missing coop hero maps to reflect on my own thoughts. GJ you started a chain reaction, now I'm bored to hell as well x_x |
| 18:13.13 | Taintedwisp | Play evofrenzy usefulducky |
| 18:13.14 | sharf224 | I'm making a coop hero map |
| 18:13.15 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 18:13.19 | G0A | Taintedwisp your ideas dont change anything... |
| 18:13.35 | Taintedwisp | yes they do... |
| 18:13.51 | usefulDucky | tainted, evo frenzy would probably make me take my life, so I'd rather not |
| 18:13.58 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:14.00 | Taintedwisp | your loss |
| 18:14.16 | usefulDucky | I hated evol maps back from sc1 |
| 18:14.25 | Taintedwisp | GOA, those are just my Bnet suggestions :P |
| 18:14.30 | usefulDucky | so yea, not my type >.> |
| 18:14.32 | Taintedwisp | Ahhh yeah you wont like it then useful |
| 18:14.32 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 18:14.43 | G0A | I think I will only make maps again if they add market play or they make arcade free to play. |
| 18:14.43 | Taintedwisp | Its like evolves with heroes and towers, events and bosses |
| 18:14.50 | Taintedwisp | then I hope you never make maps again -__ |
| 18:15.15 | Taintedwisp | looks like you will start making them when I quit :P |
| 18:15.24 | sharf224 | arcade isn't free? |
| 18:15.39 | Taintedwisp | not with starter edition |
| 18:15.41 | usefulDucky | market play and f2p arcade would indeed add some life and excitement |
| 18:15.45 | Taintedwisp | only the featured maps and a few others |
| 18:15.48 | sharf224 | oh ok |
| 18:15.58 | sharf224 | but it is for the real game :P |
| 18:16.05 | Taintedwisp | No one is going to download a what? 20 GB game, for some arcade maps anyways |
| 18:16.13 | Taintedwisp | They would need to include the ladder |
| 18:16.41 | sharf224 | My only tiff with sc2 is online campaign :/ |
| 18:16.52 | sharf224 | they've gone too far with drm |
| 18:16.53 | Taintedwisp | Ducky the ONLINE COMMUNITY IS FAILING, how the fuck is charging for maps going to fix that? |
| 18:17.13 | Taintedwisp | its not just hte mapping but the people who play customs.. they start charging for maps then its fucked |
| 18:17.18 | G0A | Taintedwisp knows nothing about capitalism... |
| 18:17.22 | Taintedwisp | ... |
| 18:17.32 | Taintedwisp | Dude if LoL started charging no one would play that shit |
| 18:17.48 | Taintedwisp | facebook was trying to charge money a few years back and half of the people were ready to quit |
| 18:17.49 | sharf224 | why would I ever pay to play someone elses map? |
| 18:17.50 | G0A | yes they would play dota 2 instead |
| 18:17.56 | usefulDucky | for me, it would be exciting to see what sorts of maps would be on shells and how much they would cost.. it would be fun just to watch this whole thing grow and develop |
| 18:18.15 | Taintedwisp | Grow and develop into a heap of shit. |
| 18:18.24 | Taintedwisp | ideas like the Map marketplace are what ruined D3.. |
| 18:18.46 | Taintedwisp | but alas, Its not coming, atleast I hope its now |
| 18:18.49 | Taintedwisp | not |
| 18:19.07 | Taintedwisp | the map marketplace is the reason for the popularity system |
| 18:19.12 | Taintedwisp | that has been stated |
| 18:19.19 | usefulDucky | it's like the leaked ending to hots, everyone hoped it wouldn't come, but it's confirmed now :D |
| 18:19.20 | G0A | D3 market place = Sc2 map market place // rofl |
| 18:19.46 | Taintedwisp | no d3 greed == sc2 Greed, Greed always == greed |
| 18:19.49 | nooblark | dustin |
| 18:19.50 | nooblark | what |
| 18:19.51 | nooblark | the |
| 18:19.52 | nooblark | fuck |
| 18:20.10 | sharf224 | they leaked the hots ending? |
| 18:20.15 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
| 18:20.20 | Taintedwisp | Retards keep linking it |
| 18:20.23 | usefulDucky | yes, money is the root of all evil, corrupting the souls of pure and innocent, we should burn them :D |
| 18:20.24 | G0A | Taintedwisp do you leave in North Korea? |
| 18:20.25 | Taintedwisp | I keep trying to ignor it |
| 18:20.28 | G0A | live* |
| 18:20.47 | Taintedwisp | no.. I am just not some moron who thinks money is everything -_- |
| 18:21.09 | G0A | you do seem like |
| 18:21.22 | Taintedwisp | I grew up poor, I have seen what the other side of the fence has, and I have to say they might have some shinier gadgets, but they are more miserable then I have ever been |
| 18:21.36 | G0A | barter system for win, (no taxes:)) |
| 18:21.46 | Taintedwisp | Barter system fails too |
| 18:22.00 | Taintedwisp | Why must we rely on a 4000 year old system? |
| 18:22.00 | nooblark | tainted, have you ever seen anyone with a boat not happy? |
| 18:22.22 | Taintedwisp | Yes nooblark, when their wives are running around cheating on them, because they only married for money |
| 18:22.26 | Taintedwisp | :)) |
| 18:22.45 | sharf224 | that's why you don't marry a gold digger lol |
| 18:22.49 | nooblark | that is the worst argument i've ever heard |
| 18:23.04 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:23.09 | nooblark | if you think money can't buy happiness, you just never had any, it's that simple. |
| 18:23.14 | sharf224 | A boat is a hole in the water into which one throws money |
| 18:23.31 | Taintedwisp | nooblark... :P you have a lot to learn :P |
| 18:23.32 | G0A | nooblark +1 :) |
| 18:23.54 | sharf224 | money can buy superficial happiness. It also really depends on the person |
| 18:23.54 | Taintedwisp | Money isnt worth the paper it used to be printed on |
| 18:24.01 | Taintedwisp | Once you have everything you NEED< then what? |
| 18:24.13 | Taintedwisp | whats the point after not struggling to survive? |
| 18:24.17 | usefulDucky | taintedwisp is afraid of money :o |
| 18:24.32 | Taintedwisp | Not afraid, Actually I am very good with money. |
| 18:24.52 | Taintedwisp | i just dont let it change me, and I pursue happiness rather then more cash |
| 18:25.00 | nooblark | no, you have a lot to learn. there's a thing called an eduction, generally people with money can advance in that field, and once they do, they gain even more money, and thus, become more happy. the fact that your education and socioeconomic status plays a role in this argument, i don't think you have the right to give us "facts" |
| 18:25.25 | Taintedwisp | if I was making 30$ an hour and job A being miserable, I would take a 15$ pay cut doing the same work as long as I was happier there |
| 18:25.27 | G0A | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.33 | sharf224 | after you're not struggling, you get superfluous stuff |
| 18:25.37 | *** part/#sc2mapster sharf224 (~sharf224@stu-154-149-171-184.champlain.edu) |
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| 18:26.01 | nooblark | tainted that doesn't even support your prior argument. |
| 18:26.04 | Taintedwisp | Well you know its funny, Fo rsomeone who knows nothing, I am pretty happy... |
| 18:26.05 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 18:26.18 | nooblark | working at a job that sucks has nothing to do with money buying happiness |
| 18:26.19 | usefulDucky | he quit.. |
| 18:26.29 | nooblark | he's so ignorant. |
| 18:26.31 | nooblark | honestly. |
| 18:26.37 | nooblark | that fucking naive, every day. |
| 18:26.44 | iMisu | lol |
| 18:26.46 | usefulDucky | he's just a simple person, leave him alone ~_~ |
| 18:27.05 | nooblark | simple? because all he can afford is a trailer? we have another word, other than simple.. it's called poor. |
| 18:27.32 | iMisu | lol |
| 18:27.39 | nooblark | sup taz attack |
| 18:27.44 | iMisu | yoooo |
| 18:27.58 | iMisu | i made the new unit |
| 18:28.14 | nooblark | yah? |
| 18:28.27 | iMisu | 1/3 done |
| 18:29.16 | G0A | btw in Rome money bought education, there was no social education if you dont have money than your kids started work as soon as they could. So rich was educated and education was respected as a great value. |
| 18:29.19 | usefulDucky | does it shoot lazers out of its eyes, rockets out of its fists and can transform into a dinosaur? |
| 18:29.49 | iMisu | yes |
| 18:30.17 | nooblark | lol useful |
| 18:30.26 | nooblark | it literally does shoot lasers from its eyes |
| 18:30.27 | G0A | usefulDucky he isnt simple person, he is complexly retarded. |
| 18:30.57 | G0A | hope he has 2 nicks here and he reads it:) |
| 18:32.11 | G0A | ohh fucking shit |
| 18:32.35 | usefulDucky | he's a loud guy with a big ego and ideas that don't go well with me.. but meh, enough about him |
| 18:32.54 | G0A | maps still dont autostart if you have less player in mode than in player properities |
| 18:32.57 | zenxu | I wish I had even motivation to fix some bugs my map and publish on NA |
| 18:33.03 | zenxu | but cannot find that motivation |
| 18:33.21 | usefulDucky | I can't even find will to fix broken bomber on NA |
| 18:33.39 | iMisu | nooblark |
| 18:33.42 | zenxu | yea I guess we just have reached our limit |
| 18:33.43 | iMisu | map test sonnnnnn |
| 18:33.46 | usefulDucky | but I decided to not worry about it much, just doing my own thing now |
| 18:33.47 | Ahli | fix broken bomberbot *whip** |
| 18:34.05 | zenxu | im trying to get ideas for my platformer |
| 18:34.14 | zenxu | but its actually harder than I thought |
| 18:34.28 | *** join/#sc2mapster sharf224 (~sharf224@stu-154-149-171-184.champlain.edu) |
| 18:34.37 | usefulDucky | using power of apathy becomes etheral and phases through whip slash |
| 18:34.53 | usefulDucky | zenxu play a lot of other platformers |
| 18:35.15 | zenxu | I actually watched some youtube videos for reference |
| 18:35.31 | zenxu | but I guess I dont want to go mario style even thou casual platformer would be cool |
| 18:35.52 | Ahli | dialog based platformer? |
| 18:36.01 | usefulDucky | I recently replayed contra and was like "what the hell, that is actually too damn cool, I realize now why my maps attempt was utter crap" |
| 18:36.08 | sharf224 | how do I make a building shared by players? |
| 18:36.15 | zenxu | yea contra was cool |
| 18:36.20 | zenxu | but dont wana make shooter either |
| 18:36.26 | zenxu | I like swords more |
| 18:36.37 | zenxu | I was thinking more like symphony of night(castlevania) |
| 18:36.45 | usefulDucky | have you played shatterhand? |
| 18:36.51 | zenxu | no |
| 18:37.12 | usefulDucky | it's an awesome 2D game where you break things with your metal fists |
| 18:37.25 | usefulDucky | and to add to it it has awesome soundtrack as well |
| 18:37.35 | G0A | zenxu dont make platformer!!!! so many platformer games on the internet and bnet lags too much for it... |
| 18:37.49 | usefulDucky | he's making a stand-alone one |
| 18:37.50 | zenxu | Im not making it for sc2 |
| 18:37.59 | usefulDucky | is it c++?" |
| 18:38.02 | zenxu | yes |
| 18:38.14 | zenxu | even thou my skills are rather limited I would rather have a goal to work on |
| 18:38.14 | G0A | nice |
| 18:38.31 | G0A | so I guess half of the people now making standalones here.) |
| 18:39.07 | usefulDucky | looks so |
| 18:39.16 | zenxu | in mario games I really liked the level variety |
| 18:39.17 | G0A | Make a cool snake game first.D |
| 18:40.07 | iMisu | nooblark |
| 18:40.08 | G0A | That was the only thing I made with C++ |
| 18:42.18 | nooblark | where is dustin |
| 18:42.18 | nooblark | fffs |
| 18:42.23 | iMisu | when smoke is comming out of your eyes |
| 18:42.26 | iMisu | does that mean you are bad??? |
| 18:42.37 | iMisu | nooblark, come map test |
| 18:42.38 | zenxu | well Ill return later |
| 18:42.45 | zenxu | would be nice to brainstorm with ducky thou |
| 18:42.47 | zenxu | :) |
| 18:42.55 | usefulDucky | aye |
| 18:43.02 | usefulDucky | I could use some brain activity |
| 18:43.43 | Dustin|Work | Nooblark |
| 18:43.44 | Dustin|Work | What you need |
| 18:43.45 | G0A | usefulDucky dont lie! you dont have brain! |
| 18:43.52 | nooblark | your loops |
| 18:43.54 | nooblark | yesterday |
| 18:43.56 | nooblark | don't work. |
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| 18:44.09 | usefulDucky | maybe I don't, but it doesn't mean I can't pretend that I do and be happy with it :> |
| 18:44.11 | G0A | pff |
| 18:44.12 | Taintedwisp | HAH seemed like a good point to leave :p had to retrieve the dumpster |
| 18:44.17 | usefulDucky | zenxu, go play ninja gaiden |
| 18:44.21 | sharf224 | how do I make a building shared between players? |
| 18:44.37 | Taintedwisp | Bout to play some Sc2 campaign and check on my map |
| 18:44.46 | Dustin|Work | What doesnt work about them |
| 18:44.54 | Taintedwisp | maybe just play my map dunno yet |
| 18:45.42 | Taintedwisp | Sweet getting my portraits soon :P |
| 18:46.07 | Taintedwisp | Anyone wanna play Evo-Frenzy? |
| 18:46.16 | Taintedwisp | I speed up the gameplay :P so it would be much more exciting last night |
| 18:46.17 | sharf224 | tainted |
| 18:46.19 | Taintedwisp | gotta test it ou thtough |
| 18:46.22 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 18:46.25 | Taintedwisp | whats up sharf what you need? |
| 18:46.27 | sharf224 | I'm stuck :( |
| 18:46.32 | Taintedwisp | Whats wrong? |
| 18:46.35 | sharf224 | can't figure out how to share control of a building |
| 18:46.39 | sharf224 | for a hero selector at game start |
| 18:47.03 | sharf224 | can I do it in data, or do I need to trigger it? |
| 18:47.08 | Dustin|Work | Data |
| 18:47.11 | Taintedwisp | it CAN be done in data |
| 18:47.12 | Dustin|Work | There's a flag on the unit |
| 18:47.15 | Dustin|Work | For share control |
| 18:47.26 | nooblark | i keep getting error passing array |
| 18:47.43 | Dustin|Work | You cant pass an array I dont think |
| 18:47.43 | nooblark | the loops specifically have conditions to stop them from exceeding the max array. |
| 18:47.50 | Taintedwisp | oh didnt know there was a flag :P that was easier then what I would suggested hahaha. Mine would have been an aura that grants control to the closest player :P |
| 18:47.50 | Dustin|Work | Oh |
| 18:47.52 | Dustin|Work | The max size |
| 18:47.55 | nooblark | yah |
| 18:48.03 | Dustin|Work | Copy pasta the code again |
| 18:48.14 | Taintedwisp | OH nooblark bad news |
| 18:48.15 | nooblark | it's all sloppy because i've been tyring to debug it, but here. |
| 18:48.17 | sharf224 | so does share control just give it to allies? |
| 18:48.18 | Dustin|Work | Actually |
| 18:48.19 | Taintedwisp | It isnt staying black online |
| 18:48.31 | Dustin|Work | Im going to lunch, ill be back in like an hour |
| 18:48.48 | Dustin|Work | sharf, yes |
| 18:48.48 | Taintedwisp | cya l8er dustin |
| 18:48.50 | Taintedwisp | browder |
| 18:48.51 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 18:48.52 | nooblark | http://pastebin.com/PQQbCyTN |
| 18:48.56 | Taintedwisp | just to confuse people |
| 18:48.57 | sharf224 | thanks man |
| 18:48.58 | sharf224 | cya |
| 18:49.45 | nooblark | it gets the error when it gets to changing from the columns to rows. |
| 18:50.06 | nooblark | it displays: Dialog:1 Row: 1 Column: 1 |
| 18:50.08 | nooblark | Dialog:1 Row: 1 Column: 2 |
| 18:50.10 | nooblark | Dialog:1 Row: 1 Column: 3 |
| 18:50.13 | nooblark | ERROR. |
| 18:50.43 | G0A | hey usefulDucky wanna idle in EU bomberbot?:) |
| 18:50.51 | G0A | (in the lobby.) |
| 18:51.43 | sharf224 | under game attributes, in the game variants menu, what does locked and unlocked mean |
| 18:53.23 | A1win | it can't be changed in the lobby (has no effect if it's hidden) |
| 18:53.36 | sharf224 | ah mmk |
| 18:53.49 | sharf224 | also, can you rename teams like you could forces in sc1? |
| 18:54.04 | nooblark | The whole point of the loops is to stop it when it finds the button used.. If it goes through all the columns (3), it should set columns back to 1, and add 1 to rows (2 total) |
| 18:54.05 | A1win | there are no "teams" |
| 18:54.12 | A1win | except in the lobby |
| 18:54.16 | sharf224 | right |
| 18:54.19 | A1win | but yeah can't rename those |
| 18:54.24 | sharf224 | damn |
| 18:54.25 | usefulDucky | eh G0A |
| 18:54.31 | A1win | the lobby is horrible :I |
| 18:54.33 | usefulDucky | it's still broken you know |
| 18:54.34 | sharf224 | that's stupid lol |
| 18:55.10 | G0A | usefulDucky what is broken exactly? |
| 18:55.23 | usefulDucky | bomb throw is broken |
| 18:55.44 | G0A | (we can play Random Slide if you want so:) |
| 18:55.44 | usefulDucky | and I can't seem to find an obvious issue >.> |
| 18:55.49 | G0A | well than I will take that out |
| 18:56.15 | usefulDucky | maybe we can go for fun or not |
| 18:56.17 | sharf224 | This is bad |
| 18:56.31 | sharf224 | I got a long drive ahead of me tonight, and I'm gonna be zoning out thinking about this map lol |
| 18:56.54 | A1win | better to just set teams in-game than in the lobby |
| 18:57.08 | sharf224 | right |
| 18:57.13 | sharf224 | planning on doing that but |
| 18:57.16 | G0A | ahh no fun or no |
| 18:57.18 | sharf224 | I wanted to have the teams labeled |
| 18:57.31 | sharf224 | make shit neat and organized |
| 18:57.45 | A1win | just put everyone in one team |
| 18:57.47 | sharf224 | with EVERYTHING that you can do in sc2 |
| 18:57.49 | A1win | and do everything in-game |
| 18:57.56 | sharf224 | THAT is what is wrong? |
| 18:58.01 | A1win | ;p |
| 18:58.01 | sharf224 | do you see ai players in the lobby? |
| 18:58.11 | A1win | yeah |
| 18:58.15 | A1win | Computer players |
| 18:58.28 | sharf224 | like the ones I set that way? |
| 18:58.32 | A1win | and those are the only ones you can enable the built-in AI for |
| 18:58.46 | A1win | but you can do script AI for "None" players too, those don't show in the lobby |
| 18:59.08 | sharf224 | yeah mmk |
| 18:59.11 | sharf224 | for this |
| 18:59.18 | A1win | Computer players can also be removed from the lobby, which is a bit meh as well |
| 18:59.18 | sharf224 | I will stick to normal comp players lol |
| 18:59.28 | sharf224 | kind of want them in the lobby lol |
| 18:59.35 | G0A | usefulDucky I want to see if the open game listing helps in finding players. |
| 18:59.42 | A1win | so the players can basically break a map that requires computer players |
| 18:59.57 | A1win | by removing them and replacing them with user players |
| 19:00.03 | sharf224 | they can disable comp players? |
| 19:00.10 | A1win | they can remove them from the lobby |
| 19:00.16 | sharf224 | .... |
| 19:00.20 | A1win | because the lobby sucks ass :I |
| 19:00.23 | sharf224 | what. the. fuck. blizzard |
| 19:00.29 | sharf224 | so basically |
| 19:00.32 | sharf224 | I NEED to hide them? |
| 19:00.39 | A1win | you can't hide them <.< |
| 19:00.42 | A1win | if they are Computer |
| 19:00.45 | sharf224 | :/ |
| 19:00.49 | G0A | haha:) |
| 19:00.54 | A1win | you can hide the lobby, though |
| 19:01.06 | G0A | you can have player 0 and 15 as comp:) |
| 19:01.09 | A1win | but that's not the ideal solution either |
| 19:01.14 | sharf224 | If I meet any blizz devs, I'm gonna smack them |
| 19:01.20 | A1win | hehe |
| 19:01.30 | A1win | they hang around here occasionally ;D |
| 19:01.33 | G0A | you can smack them twice (once for me) |
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| 19:02.22 | sharf224 | hmmm |
| 19:02.22 | A1win | not sure why anyone hasn't pestered them about the lobby, at least not lately |
| 19:02.45 | sharf224 | could I toss in a trigger that ends the game if a comp player isn't there? |
| 19:02.52 | Ahli | we can still move players into teams regardless of max team size by dropping them on the name |
| 19:02.56 | A1win | sharf224, sure |
| 19:03.15 | A1win | Ahli, mm <.< |
| 19:03.36 | sharf224 | then again...this particular role could be cool for a player to play... |
| 19:03.47 | sharf224 | one needs to be AI... |
| 19:03.48 | Vail | 12 days and i can get back to work on my project sheesh |
| 19:03.58 | sharf224 | but that could be player 15, I can issue attack orders to p15 right? |
| 19:04.17 | A1win | you can use any player if you don't need it to have default AI |
| 19:04.26 | A1win | you can issue orders to players with "None" controller too |
| 19:04.30 | A1win | and those don't show in the lobby |
| 19:04.35 | sharf224 | mmk cool |
| 19:05.01 | A1win | so if you don't need to use the built-in AI, don't make the player Computer, since it's so bugged in the lobby |
| 19:05.03 | sharf224 | One I want to use default ai, but it wouldn't be bad for them to be a player either so tha might work ut perfectly |
| 19:05.12 | sharf224 | ...too many typos to correct lol |
| 19:05.19 | Ahli | I use neutral for my "computers" (just slaves with units that I create/order around) |
| 19:05.40 | sharf224 | I want one of the ais to build and defend a base |
| 19:05.53 | Ahli | does Blizzard's AI defend? |
| 19:05.57 | G0A | duckies people in lobby!!! |
| 19:06.32 | duckies | G0A, these are regulars, they don't count |
| 19:06.33 | sharf224 | idk, but they are on an island, so they can't really go anywhere lol |
| 19:06.59 | A1win | you should probably test it before you make the map :P |
| 19:07.18 | sharf224 | planning on it |
| 19:07.21 | sharf224 | soon actually |
| 19:07.28 | sharf224 | I'm starting to build the core mechanics now |
| 19:07.40 | sharf224 | now..where do I set the build time for units... |
| 19:07.55 | Ahli | ability |
| 19:08.30 | sharf224 | the train ability? |
| 19:08.45 | A1win | yeah, each unit has its own entry there |
| 19:08.53 | Taintedwisp | A TRAIN ABILITY IS FOR TRAINS DAMMIT |
| 19:09.02 | sharf224 | lol |
| 19:09.07 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 19:09.47 | sharf224 | I can't believe my comp runs this hot and doesn't fucking die |
| 19:09.57 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 19:10.07 | Taintedwisp | Yeahh... you want to get a cooling pad sharf |
| 19:10.17 | sharf224 | seriously, the mobo and cpu run at like 80 c |
| 19:10.48 | Vail | i hope they invent optically cooled cpus and gpus |
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| 19:11.14 | sharf224 | that is a very weird statement... |
| 19:11.18 | Vail | that and i want to build me a working laser based cold suit |
| 19:11.24 | Taintedwisp_ | lawl |
| 19:11.31 | Vail | whats a weird statement? |
| 19:11.32 | Taintedwisp_ | Build me one after you build you one |
| 19:11.34 | Taintedwisp_ | :P |
| 19:11.40 | Taintedwisp_ | That way all the deadly bugs are gone |
| 19:11.42 | Taintedwisp_ | :P |
| 19:11.52 | Vail | heh ok |
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| 19:13.59 | sharf224 | ok that did not work as I was hoping.... |
| 19:14.15 | Vail | if i combine the optical cooling system with a strength enhancing exoskeleton and use some biofeedback to fine toon the controls |
| 19:14.39 | Vail | coat the whole thing in fireproof sheilding ... |
| 19:15.23 | Vail | hmm this makes me wonder how far away are we from building a "power loader" line in aliens |
| 19:15.31 | sharf224 | I would have thought that putting charges on an individual train unit command...that the charges would not apply to ALL the units |
| 19:15.56 | Vail | you would have to change the charge count link |
| 19:16.05 | Vail | by default the are the same |
| 19:16.15 | Vail | for all uints |
| 19:16.30 | Vail | in the train ability... |
| 19:16.43 | sharf224 | .... |
| 19:16.43 | sharf224 | ah |
| 19:16.46 | A1win | charges and cooldowns always use a link string |
| 19:17.05 | A1win | anything with the same link string uses the same charge/cooldown |
| 19:17.37 | sharf224 | omfg the internet is horrible here |
| 19:18.29 | sharf224 | it's like not even worth being online... |
| 19:19.22 | sharf224 | ok so |
| 19:19.23 | sharf224 | I got a building to share control |
| 19:19.23 | sharf224 | now how do I make the unit created belong to the person who built it? |
| 19:20.11 | Vail | there should be a Share Control or similarly named flag on the unit its self |
| 19:20.36 | A1win | which shares control, doesn't change owner |
| 19:21.02 | sharf224 | I don't want to share control though lol I want to give it to the player |
| 19:21.16 | A1win | dunno if it can be done with data, but should be simple with triggers |
| 19:21.17 | Vail | if i am not mistaken ticking that on should make the units built belong to the unnit |
| 19:21.22 | Vail | contoller |
| 19:21.23 | sharf224 | that's fine |
| 19:21.26 | sharf224 | how do I do it lol |
| 19:22.16 | sharf224 | ticking it on for the unit? |
| 19:24.40 | sharf224 | I have a full signal quality, and a 65 mbps speed....how can I not load pandora |
| 19:25.02 | sharf224 | or even a god damn gif |
| 19:26.01 | Taintedwisp_ | not megabyte per second shart :P |
| 19:26.30 | Vail | i am running a quick test to make sure... |
| 19:26.37 | Vail | oh well when he gets back |
| 19:29.04 | Vail | well time for lunch brb |
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| 19:33.47 | sharf224 | ok so that doesn't work |
| 19:34.08 | sharf224 | how do I tell what player issued the build command in triggers? |
| 19:35.05 | Taintedwisp_ | Who wants to come play Evo-Frenzy? |
| 19:36.05 | rtschutter | yo Ahli are you around? |
| 19:36.21 | Ahli | yes |
| 19:36.28 | Taintedwisp_ | Muhammad ahli come play evofrenzy :P |
| 19:36.39 | rtschutter | How did you enlarge the minimap in your interface mod? |
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| 19:37.36 | Ahli | I made it bigger via UI editor code? |
| 19:38.08 | rtschutter | would it be possible to do that in a normal custom map for only specific players? |
| 19:38.10 | Ahli | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/map-development/45138-manipulating-minimap-size-in-game/?post=3 |
| 19:38.13 | Ahli | of course |
| 19:38.39 | rtschutter | I have had a bunch of people ask me to add something like that to the overlay, some of them even pointing to the mod you made |
| 19:38.59 | rtschutter | but my layout file knowledge is only barely enough to get by with hiding the stuff I don't want |
| 19:39.17 | Ahli | my mod? |
| 19:39.38 | rtschutter | your interface mod |
| 19:39.44 | rtschutter | you posted a screenshot of on battle.net |
| 19:39.55 | rtschutter | someone actually pointed me at your screenshot to show me what he was talking about |
| 19:40.02 | Ahli | oh, I did? :D |
| 19:40.04 | Taintedwisp_ | BOATS AND HOES |
| 19:40.24 | Ahli | oh yes |
| 19:40.25 | Ahli | I did |
| 19:40.33 | ckSynergy | Heh this is great |
| 19:40.34 | Ahli | UI stickied forum post |
| 19:41.00 | Ahli | http://i.snag.gy/cozZv.jpg this |
| 19:41.03 | ckSynergy | me: My battery is dead. It's holding less than 25% of the original charge. HP: Ok, lets update the BIOS and the battery drivers... |
| 19:41.09 | sharf224 | ok...no idea how to do this...when a player creates a unit at a shared building, how do I give that unit to the player who built it? |
| 19:41.22 | Ahli | but what you want would be changing its size via trigger |
| 19:42.36 | rtschutter | yeah |
| 19:43.30 | rtschutter | basically like they hold M or something and the minimap would grow really big and then when they let go it shrinks again |
| 19:43.49 | rtschutter | I think I can make it work based on what I can see in your map though |
| 19:44.11 | rtschutter | I am not using a minimap hookup in the overlay however |
| 19:44.14 | Ahli | it's just hooking the right thing and resizing it |
| 19:44.27 | Ahli | well, you could, then the pings would work, too |
| 19:44.38 | rtschutter | I hide the minimap using 'hide ui frame' and then I create a new one for observers by creating panel from template |
| 19:44.46 | rtschutter | good idea |
| 19:45.28 | Ahli | I would just move all elements of the original UI away (as I did in my interface) and alter things appropriatly |
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| 19:46.21 | rtschutter | thanks man |
| 19:46.38 | Ahli | if you got problems or want to have a raw code for cleaning the original UI, just ask ;D I love your project ^^ |
| 19:47.14 | rtschutter | I will thank you! |
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| 19:47.44 | sharf224 | well...I'm lost |
| 19:48.00 | Ahli | also, grats for overshadowing blizzard :D they make a cool new feature for hots and baaaam, custom map makes that and more |
| 19:48.12 | rtschutter | lol |
| 19:48.13 | rtschutter | well |
| 19:48.29 | rtschutter | that wasn't my goal but I will take it as a compliment I guess |
| 19:48.34 | Monkalizer | whats this glorious feature? |
| 19:49.03 | rtschutter | I did announce my custom map long before they announced their observer interface mod feature though |
| 19:49.10 | Ahli | I know |
| 19:49.16 | Ahli | they made that because of you, I believe |
| 19:49.28 | rtschutter | they actually asked us to make some mods for them |
| 19:49.36 | rtschutter | and a video of them to show off the feature |
| 19:49.40 | rtschutter | but as you can tell |
| 19:49.49 | rtschutter | I do not understand layout files at all so I wasn't able to do it |
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| 19:50.45 | Monkalizer | have you guys tried to make line or scatter plots using dialogs? |
| 19:51.01 | Taintedwisp_ | GOT DAMN LEAVERS!!!! |
| 19:51.07 | Taintedwisp_ | FUCK |
| 19:51.11 | Ahli | no, but I wanted to do that in case of trigger support for observers |
| 19:51.14 | Taintedwisp_ | I SPENt 20 minutes getting a game going -_- |
| 19:51.22 | Ahli | but instead of improving it, they removed it |
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| 19:52.25 | Ahli | before observers could have manipulated AI or left players to have a dialog UI (while being in that person's vision) |
| 19:52.51 | rtschutter | yeah |
| 19:53.12 | rtschutter | they disconnected observers from player IDs in hots |
| 19:53.20 | Monkalizer | I thought the interface files were able to use game data and triggers? |
| 19:53.22 | rtschutter | I asked them about it they said they wanted to free up the ids |
| 19:53.23 | sharf224 | can a unit have more than 1 owner? |
| 19:53.40 | A1win | nope |
| 19:53.45 | sharf224 | dammit lol |
| 19:53.48 | sharf224 | then how do I do this |
| 19:53.54 | A1win | what are you trying to do |
| 19:54.07 | sharf224 | make a hero selector building |
| 19:54.09 | rtschutter | Ahli if I use the hookup method is there a way to hide the stupid minimap buttons only for certain players? |
| 19:54.13 | sharf224 | so all players can build their hero |
| 19:54.23 | Ahli | yes, hook them up and hide them ;D |
| 19:54.24 | A1win | sharf224, why do you need it to be a building? wouldn't a UI make mroe sense |
| 19:54.27 | Ahli | or move offscreen |
| 19:54.29 | A1win | *more |
| 19:54.30 | A1win | but anyway |
| 19:54.31 | Ahli | hiding is bad I think |
| 19:54.34 | rtschutter | are they a separate thing? |
| 19:54.38 | Ahli | that disabled the hotkeys |
| 19:54.50 | Monkalizer | rtschutter: are you the guy behind http://rtschutter.com/ |
| 19:54.50 | A1win | you could just make a trigger that changes the trained unit's owner |
| 19:54.54 | Ahli | minimap buttons and minimap are both in the MinimapPanel |
| 19:55.01 | rtschutter | yeah thats me |
| 19:55.14 | Taintedwisp_ | Ahli.... play evo-frenzy, I will use my jedi mind tricks on you and make you play :P mwhahaha |
| 19:55.22 | Monkalizer | your good :) |
| 19:55.31 | rtschutter | thanks man! |
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| 19:55.48 | rtschutter | okay I see Ahli |
| 19:55.59 | rtschutter | you hooked up only the minimap itself I thought you had to hookup the entire panel |
| 19:56.00 | sharf224 | argh |
| 19:56.04 | sharf224 | did you say something a1? |
| 19:56.10 | A1win | sharf224, make a trigger that changes the trained unit's owner to the triggering player, or just use dialogs to make your hero selector (which would make more sense than a building anyway) |
| 19:56.41 | Taintedwisp_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC16lIUzHJE |
| 19:56.41 | A1win | more work, though |
| 19:56.44 | Taintedwisp_ | just to gloat shart |
| 19:56.47 | Taintedwisp_ | ... |
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| 19:57.48 | Dustin|Work | Nooblark Im back |
| 19:57.56 | Monkalizer | rtschutter: i realize its probably beyond your skills, but do you know any good online resources for people who want to get better at drawing? i can draw a little on paper, but need to make them digital |
| 19:58.11 | rtschutter | for sure |
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| 19:58.48 | rtschutter | http://www.proko.com/ |
| 19:59.04 | rtschutter | This guy is an old buddy of mine, he teaches at the school I trained at |
| 19:59.12 | rtschutter | and he makes awesome drawing videos |
| 19:59.35 | Monkalizer | kk |
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| 19:59.54 | Taintedwisp_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC16lIUzHJE |
| 19:59.59 | Taintedwisp_ | SHart thats a real mans hero selct |
| 20:00.02 | Taintedwisp_ | even if it is buggy atm |
| 20:00.13 | sharf224_ | let's see how long it takes me to get disconnected |
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| 20:00.29 | sharf224_ | I can't see it lol |
| 20:00.34 | sharf224_ | internet is terrible |
| 20:00.34 | Vail | place yur bets here folks |
| 20:01.08 | sharf224_ | yes that's cool tainted |
| 20:01.12 | sharf224_ | not what I want lol |
| 20:01.22 | sharf224_ | how do I make the damn building lol |
| 20:01.48 | Vail | is it neutral or player owned? |
| 20:01.49 | A1win | just use a trigger to change the trained unit's owner ;p |
| 20:02.04 | A1win | :X |
| 20:02.09 | A1win | shower time -> |
| 20:02.23 | Vail | a trigger is not necesary |
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| 20:02.39 | sharf224_ | ARGH! |
| 20:03.02 | Vail | neutral or player owned hero selection structure? |
| 20:03.04 | sharf224_ | less then 2 minutes |
| 20:03.08 | sharf224_ | yes |
| 20:03.16 | sharf224_ | I mean |
| 20:03.20 | sharf224_ | neutral lol |
| 20:04.27 | Vail | ok then with the properly set up interact ability on it in the structures unit flags activate the flag for Share Control then the train abaility will train units for the controling player instead of the owning neutral player |
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| 20:04.58 | sharf224_ | I have the shared flags set |
| 20:05.00 | Vail | providing you have resources and needed food |
| 20:05.15 | sharf224_ | but training gives it to the builder's owner, I need an ability to fix that? |
| 20:05.50 | Dustin|Work | Interact |
| 20:05.59 | Vail | were are you setting the shared flags? |
| 20:05.59 | Dustin|Work | Ability |
| 20:07.00 | Vail | there is only one share control flag on a unit, the interact ability also has share control and vision flags |
| 20:07.47 | Monkalizer | rtschutter: what kind of sc2 projects are you working on? |
| 20:07.57 | iMisu | can some one tell me why the backswing of the ventorini beam is whacked |
| 20:08.00 | rtschutter | Monk I am making the GameHeart overlay |
| 20:08.02 | iMisu | no matter what i set the swing to |
| 20:08.06 | iMisu | its still like 3 second charge |
| 20:08.09 | rtschutter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnEcfKevJXY |
| 20:08.29 | Ahli | bossmode 1vs1 melee UI |
| 20:08.42 | Monkalizer | mhm |
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| 20:09.04 | rtschutter | Ahli I was just contacted by someone from a major tournament organization who sounds like he has questions about working with Blizzards ui tool |
| 20:09.34 | rtschutter | I am going to try to convince him to use my stuff of course but if he isn't interested in working with GameHeart do you have an email I can give him for them to talk to you? |
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| 20:10.05 | Dustin|Work | Im gonna try this GameHeart out tonight |
| 20:10.45 | rtschutter | Good! |
| 20:10.50 | Taintedwisp_ | YOU BETTER DUSTIN!!!!! |
| 20:10.52 | Taintedwisp_ | OR ELSE |
| 20:11.36 | Dustin|Work | :O |
| 20:12.02 | iMisu | can some one tell me how to decrease the backswing of the drakken laser drill |
| 20:12.05 | Monkalizer | i made some sound recordings - how do I make them sound protossy? |
| 20:12.05 | Taintedwisp_ | :P |
| 20:12.10 | Dustin|Work | Hmm, sweet map idea, have normal SC2 melee, but each melee player has another player on their team who plays as a hero for that race |
| 20:12.13 | iMisu | when modify the backswing value, nothing happens |
| 20:12.20 | Monkalizer | is it some kind of echo effect or what? |
| 20:12.24 | Taintedwisp_ | Not hard to make either dustin :P |
| 20:12.29 | Taintedwisp_ | standard 10 level hero would do |
| 20:12.31 | Dustin|Work | Exactly :d |
| 20:12.32 | Dustin|Work | :D |
| 20:12.45 | Taintedwisp_ | but you no data editor :( |
| 20:12.58 | Dustin|Work | lol what |
| 20:13.28 | Vail | Monk i tend to reverse my toss voices add some echo and reverb and maybe a little flange and then rereverse them |
| 20:13.39 | ThunderLord | Anyone know of a good library for tracking banks? |
| 20:13.41 | Dustin|Work | I can do most things in data, I just don't like to :P |
| 20:13.58 | ThunderLord | im that way too Dustin XD |
| 20:13.58 | Ahli | library for tracking banks? |
| 20:14.07 | ThunderLord | Library for making banks i guess |
| 20:14.10 | ThunderLord | tracking win/loss |
| 20:14.11 | Ahli | you just... use them... lol |
| 20:14.11 | ThunderLord | elo |
| 20:14.16 | ThunderLord | most played... |
| 20:14.26 | ThunderLord | i guess i could just use them but i mean like |
| 20:14.31 | ThunderLord | to encrypt them? |
| 20:14.36 | ThunderLord | is that what u call that? |
| 20:14.37 | Ahli | so 1vs1... no I don't think anyone made something like that, yet in a library |
| 20:14.38 | Monkalizer | Vail: reversing? |
| 20:15.04 | Vail | yeah taking the clip and making it backwords |
| 20:15.15 | Monkalizer | like copying the sound and then reversing it and applying it on top of the original |
| 20:15.24 | Vail | no |
| 20:15.51 | ThunderLord | is there a way to like... scramble the banks, so that people cant just go in and set their level to infinity |
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| 20:16.08 | Vail | copying the sound, reverseing it then applying effects then reversing it again so it plays forward once more and then overlaying it over the orginal |
| 20:16.14 | Monkalizer | people will always be able to hack banks, no matter how you edit them |
| 20:16.22 | sharf224 | I HOPE that fixed my connection issue... |
| 20:16.33 | Monkalizer | sc was not built to have locked down storage between maps |
| 20:16.48 | sharf224 | back to the hero training building... |
| 20:16.57 | Monkalizer | Vail: th |
| 20:17.07 | Monkalizer | *thx |
| 20:17.20 | sharf224 | if I disconnect again I'm just going to say screw it and top trying lol |
| 20:17.24 | Ahli | you can make it harder by hashing the info and storing the hash into the bank, too |
| 20:17.46 | Taintedwisp_ | When I speak in protoss no one understands me :/ |
| 20:17.49 | Vail | no problem, but it takes awhile to get a voice sounding right so make sure you save your originals and only work from copys ... |
| 20:18.01 | ThunderLord | yeah but personally an incripted bank would stop me from changing banks |
| 20:18.08 | ThunderLord | cuz i dont care that much |
| 20:18.08 | sharf224 | can you make dynamic hashes? like generate hashes on the fly? |
| 20:18.09 | Taintedwisp_ | en taro go fuck yourself |
| 20:18.21 | sharf224 | lol |
| 20:18.25 | ThunderLord | i atleast want people to have to work to destroy them |
| 20:18.41 | Monkalizer | The best way is to build the mechanics of the map in such a way that the player will start from a normalized position with customized settings. Like: every time the player starts a map it starts with level 0. You only store the hero type in the bank |
| 20:19.18 | ThunderLord | i want to store like win/loss, have you watched the tutorial |
| 20:19.24 | ThunderLord | not explicitly level storage |
| 20:19.28 | ThunderLord | just like statistics |
| 20:19.35 | ThunderLord | mostly to make an Elo system |
| 20:20.03 | Monkalizer | i think that would make people less prone to want to edit the files |
| 20:20.09 | sharf224 | vail |
| 20:20.15 | Monkalizer | thats my strat: make it boring to hack the banks |
| 20:21.15 | ThunderLord | but still...i am trying to create a competitive game... |
| 20:21.30 | ThunderLord | i dont want people to just be able to set their rating to whatever they want |
| 20:21.37 | ThunderLord | also the team selection is based offpeople |
| 20:21.56 | Ahli | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/md5-hash/ hash |
| 20:21.57 | ThunderLord | off people's ratings, to make the teams even |
| 20:22.24 | Dustin|Work | ThunderLord, |
| 20:22.27 | Dustin|Work | Bank Signatures |
| 20:22.32 | Dustin|Work | are built in encryption |
| 20:22.45 | Vail | yes |
| 20:22.48 | sharf224 | dustin or vail, can one of you elaborate on the interact ability? |
| 20:22.52 | Dustin|Work | Just enable them when saving your bank |
| 20:23.03 | ThunderLord | oh thre is an option to do that? |
| 20:23.06 | ThunderLord | wow XD |
| 20:23.12 | Dustin|Work | Then when loading it, check to see if the Signature is Valid |
| 20:23.14 | Monkalizer | but how good are they? |
| 20:23.21 | Dustin|Work | If not, clear their shit cause they hacked it |
| 20:23.24 | Dustin|Work | If so, load the data |
| 20:23.29 | sharf224 | md5-hash isn't that great >.> |
| 20:23.36 | ThunderLord | thanks!!!!!! |
| 20:23.43 | Dustin|Work | They'd have to find a sc2 bank signature generator |
| 20:23.51 | Vail | the interact ability allows for shared vision and or shared control, in order for shared controll in the ability to work properly share control is also needed on the Unit that is to be controlled |
| 20:23.57 | Dustin|Work | But this will break any noobs from jsut openinging and editing it |
| 20:24.24 | sharf224 | do I need to make the ability? |
| 20:24.50 | ThunderLord | fair enough, thats all we can ask for without server side banks |
| 20:24.55 | Ahli | using hash makes them require more effort |
| 20:25.08 | Monkalizer | interesting! so how does it work? How does it work? |
| 20:25.21 | Ahli | blizzard's signature only requires a program that signs the bank again |
| 20:25.31 | Ahli | meaning, it's hacked within seconds |
| 20:25.48 | Monkalizer | i mean, from what ive seen, the signature is stored as a integer or something? |
| 20:25.59 | Dustin|Work | It's a hashstring |
| 20:26.03 | Ahli | compression via starcode and hash via that library + signature is the max protection you can get, I guess |
| 20:26.06 | Dustin|Work | Like MD5 |
| 20:26.06 | Monkalizer | oh |
| 20:26.07 | iMisu | can some one tell me what the delay is on the drakken laser drill before it fires |
| 20:26.19 | Dustin|Work | Basically is takes the data in the Bank, uses a sees and generates a Signature |
| 20:26.20 | iMisu | I cant find it anywhere |
| 20:26.20 | Ahli | further improvements: obfusciating galaxy code |
| 20:26.23 | iMisu | can some one tell me what the delay is on the drakken laser drill before it fires |
| 20:27.02 | iMisu | when the game is on fastest speed its about 2.5 seconds~ ? |
| 20:27.04 | Dustin|Work | When checking if the bank is valid, the system then tries to write out a signature using the bank data and compares it, if it doesn't match it returns false |
| 20:27.50 | Ahli | persistent in drakken laser? |
| 20:27.54 | Ahli | before it deals damage? |
| 20:27.57 | iMisu | no |
| 20:28.14 | iMisu | played with all those variables |
| 20:28.15 | iMisu | nothin |
| 20:28.16 | Monkalizer | still, making the game-mechanics non-dependent on the bankfiles is good |
| 20:28.16 | Ahli | hmm, maybe weapon's damage point? |
| 20:28.40 | Monkalizer | i think star battle has it right: as you gain levels you unlock different unit skins. Thats a nice compromise |
| 20:28.52 | Vail | i would create an ability that shares vision and control and give it to the unit to be controlled |
| 20:29.10 | Dustin|Work | Some people use it as a Database Monkalizer |
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| 20:29.24 | Vail | Monk is this in the ballpark of what you wanted it to sound like? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25150886/protossy.wav |
| 20:29.25 | Dustin|Work | So you dont want just everyone editing the crap to skip ahead of content or whatever |
| 20:29.48 | Monkalizer | oh yeah! |
| 20:30.10 | Dustin|Work | The Interact ability only lets one player control the building at a time |
| 20:30.15 | Monkalizer | I have recruited Anna, the windows robotnic voice as the Terran computer chick |
| 20:30.25 | Dustin|Work | I ran into that issue with my store, only 1 guy could shop at a time |
| 20:30.34 | Monkalizer | she is awsome, i just fill a document with text and she reads and reads and reads |
| 20:30.46 | Vail | did you have exclusive and best unit on? |
| 20:31.34 | Dustin|Work | I might have, if that's all that it would have taken to fix it, I'm gonna be mad, cause I tried sooo hard lol |
| 20:31.34 | Vail | nice Monk |
| 20:32.08 | Vail | yeah i think turning off exclusive allows multiple players to engage the shop or so at the same time |
| 20:32.21 | sharf224 | well...how do people make the hero selection buildings? I've seen them in action so it has to be possible lol |
| 20:32.24 | Dustin|Work | I still have that shop too, gonna test it out tonight |
| 20:32.25 | Zolden | sends a duck made of antimatter to hug duckies_ |
| 20:32.46 | Vail | let me know the results because i am an instrested |
| 20:33.29 | Vail | besure to test with neutral to each other, allied and enemy players there may be a connection in there somewhere |
| 20:34.02 | nooblark | dustin you never told me what was wrong with the loops :( |
| 20:34.23 | nooblark | i got 4/6 of the buttons working. Row 1 Columns 1-3 + Row 2 Column 1. |
| 20:34.42 | Vail | train ability that trains heros, interact ability that shares control and vision and a building with share control on in its flags |
| 20:35.05 | duckies_ | reconstructs self to compose of antimatter, hugs zoldens gift |
| 20:35.19 | Dustin|Work | Copy pasta code again, I told you I was going to lunch :P |
| 20:36.11 | sharf224 | alright, gtg cya all |
| 20:36.14 | sharf224 | and thanks |
| 20:36.45 | Vail | but yes in that audio sample i reversed the clip added reverb first and then and echo then reversed it again and used a fade in and off set the normal clip forward abit |
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| 20:39.58 | Vail | Monkalizer what software are you using for your audio? |
| 20:40.11 | Monkalizer | audacity |
| 20:40.24 | Vail | ok |
| 20:40.28 | Vail | i have that as well |
| 20:41.07 | Monkalizer | nice |
| 20:41.19 | Vail | oh i also used bassboost on both the effect clip and the normal clip and |
| 20:41.22 | Monkalizer | it seems to be the most potent os software out there |
| 20:41.24 | Vail | last |
| 20:41.33 | Vail | yeah |
| 20:41.49 | Dustin|Work | Audacity is nice except when it crashes cause you've had the software open to long :( |
| 20:41.58 | Dustin|Work | Ive lost so much crap because of it |
| 20:42.05 | Monkalizer | I used bass booster to make my voice sound darker (mauder style) but I just sound like one of them criminals on tv |
| 20:42.24 | Monkalizer | lol, good to know |
| 20:43.06 | Vail | the hard voices to replicate are the speaking zerg |
| 20:43.14 | Monkalizer | hah |
| 20:43.16 | Monkalizer | i can imagine |
| 20:43.34 | Monkalizer | there was this interview somewhere with one of the sound guys at blizzard |
| 20:43.37 | Monkalizer | have you seen it? |
| 20:43.47 | Vail | no |
| 20:44.00 | Monkalizer | he was talking about how they built up the zerginess |
| 20:44.08 | Vail | nice |
| 20:44.33 | Monkalizer | i think it was a part of a bigger behind the scenes clip |
| 20:45.27 | Monkalizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i8jLgPdC-4 |
| 20:46.00 | Monkalizer | dont know if it was this one though ^^ |
| 20:48.08 | Vail | hm |
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| 20:49.52 | Monkalizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OL1NgYxsSA this is probably more like ot |
| 20:52.36 | Taintedwisp_ | PLAYING MINI CHOP FARMS |
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| 20:54.46 | Taintedwisp_ | Zolden you check out that hero glow ? |
| 20:55.00 | Zolden | Taintedwisp_: i have other shit to do |
| 20:55.02 | Zolden | i will |
| 20:55.08 | Taintedwisp_ | :P okie |
| 20:55.10 | Zolden | just not immediately |
| 20:55.14 | Taintedwisp_ | understandable |
| 20:55.50 | Zolden | why don't you open your art tols? |
| 20:55.51 | Zolden | it's a question of 1.5 clicks |
| 20:57.58 | Taintedwisp_ | I dont have art tools anymore |
| 20:58.01 | Taintedwisp_ | I gave mine away |
| 20:58.24 | Zolden | art tools is a materialistic object now? |
| 20:58.26 | Zolden | didn't know |
| 20:58.27 | Taintedwisp_ | plus I cant put max on this computer |
| 20:59.48 | Zolden | you talk like a boy who was asked to go play soccer, and answered "no, i won't go, i didn't wash my head, and it's the main reason I won't go... and, btw, i have and arrow in my kne" |
| 21:00.37 | Taintedwisp_ | lawl |
| 21:00.38 | Zolden | and he gave almost all of his e's, so he should economy and say kne instead of knee |
| 21:00.45 | Taintedwisp_ | No I cant put max on this computer because Its not my computr |
| 21:00.46 | Taintedwisp_ | :P |
| 21:00.47 | Monkalizer | oh those pesky arrows |
| 21:00.57 | Zolden | his mother have always been told him to not give e's to ppl |
| 21:01.01 | Zolden | but he was to kind |
| 21:01.18 | Taintedwisp_ | Shoots zolden with a shit covered arrow |
| 21:01.24 | Zolden | and have always been giving 2-3 e's to a bum near the gas station |
| 21:02.01 | Monkalizer | anyone interested in helping me make a non-ameritrash sc2 boardgame? |
| 21:02.28 | Monkalizer | I'm aming at making something like dominion mixed with pieces of settlers |
| 21:03.09 | Monkalizer | its not really galaxy editor related, more like cutting pieces out of wood and coming up with interesting cards |
| 21:03.18 | Zolden | will there be a monkey with a blaster which shoots lazers? |
| 21:03.37 | Monkalizer | potentially, but i can not guarantee it |
| 21:03.45 | A1win | why do you want to make it in SC2 :P just make it an actual board game |
| 21:03.47 | Zolden | Monkalizer: goa created pictionary |
| 21:04.02 | Zolden | it also for real life companies, but it was a fun mod |
| 21:04.38 | Zolden | good idea A1win, we all are just obsessed with the editor, we could create so many real shit |
| 21:04.57 | Monkalizer | dunno, it just makes me angry that they turned the gave away their game content to something as crappy as risk |
| 21:05.10 | Monkalizer | i want to do it properly |
| 21:05.33 | Zolden | i have an amazing idea of a game |
| 21:05.45 | Zolden | there will be a base, and you will have to build new buildings |
| 21:05.46 | Monkalizer | does it include monkey-lazers? |
| 21:05.58 | Zolden | and there will be workers which will gather resources |
| 21:05.59 | *** join/#sc2mapster QueenG (18120ced@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.18.12.237) |
| 21:06.05 | Zolden | and then it will be possibleto create troops |
| 21:06.10 | Zolden | and go attack enemy bases |
| 21:06.20 | Zolden | i will call this genre ' real time strategy |
| 21:06.24 | Zolden | should be super fun |
| 21:06.37 | Monkalizer | well, if anyones interested, send me a pm :) |
| 21:06.44 | QueenG | like its happening right now like real time? |
| 21:06.45 | Vail | im going to jump into borderlands 1 or 2 not sure yet |
| 21:06.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster KomischOo (b2ca02ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.202.2.174) |
| 21:07.03 | Zolden | yes QueenG! isn't it an amazing idea? |
| 21:08.03 | A1win | x.x never a good sign when the table of contetnts of a document takes up more than one page |
| 21:08.12 | KomischOo | Zolden? :/ |
| 21:08.27 | Zolden | :\ |
| 21:08.46 | Zolden | :P |
| 21:08.46 | Zolden | :| |
| 21:08.52 | KomischOo | the last update fixed my problems with removing the texture of the spla art you craeted me (if you remember) :) |
| 21:09.20 | Zolden | screen! |
| 21:09.45 | KomischOo | how am i spposed to show you that this works via screen? xD |
| 21:09.56 | KomischOo | just one problem left.. it doenst even look a but the same :O |
| 21:10.05 | KomischOo | because of the sahde |
| 21:10.08 | KomischOo | shade* |
| 21:10.15 | Zolden | screen! |
| 21:10.29 | Zolden | btw, do u need 10 of them? |
| 21:10.33 | Zolden | or 4 is enough? |
| 21:10.35 | Zolden | or 1? |
| 21:10.41 | KomischOo | and btw it still doesnt follow the unit |
| 21:10.54 | KomischOo | ill have several at diffrnt places on my ap |
| 21:11.03 | KomischOo | some grouped |
| 21:11.29 | KomischOo | more likely like 40 |
| 21:11.59 | Zolden | why don't you use select texture from id thing? |
| 21:12.33 | KomischOo | because I dont even know what youa re talking about. Would this fix the diffrent way it looks? |
| 21:12.34 | Zolden | 1 model, lots of texutres, win |
| 21:13.15 | KomischOo | and a units fits much better for my use of this |
| 21:13.19 | Zolden | show me a screen to give me the idea of what you mean under "diffferent look" and then explain how you want it to look |
| 21:13.27 | KomischOo | okay |
| 21:14.10 | QueenG | what u guys think of my pictures? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/off-topic/49425-picture-collection/#p1 |
| 21:14.14 | Zolden | texture select by id is afaik actor message which swaps actor model's texture, so u don't have to have 10000000 models, u just use 1 model |
| 21:14.26 | Zolden | QueenG: there are alot of them |
| 21:14.30 | Zolden | and they are different |
| 21:14.35 | Zolden | some of them are animated |
| 21:14.48 | QueenG | yes and its on a website and some is gif |
| 21:14.57 | Zolden | some of them made me ask wtf is that |
| 21:15.21 | Zolden | next time i need a picture a call you |
| 21:15.34 | Triceron | wish texture swapping didn't take so many steps |
| 21:15.54 | Zolden | yes, texture swapping should be as easy as set tint color |
| 21:16.02 | KomischOo | http://www.xup.in/dl,19584003/Zolden.png |
| 21:16.05 | Triceron | eah |
| 21:16.09 | KomischOo | as you can see it looks more like band-aid |
| 21:16.25 | KomischOo | i want it to match the snow that is nex tto it |
| 21:17.26 | Zolden | it's not possible because they use different shaders |
| 21:17.37 | KomischOo | so how do i make them use the same |
| 21:17.47 | Zolden | but you can make em be e bit more fitting to each other by scaling and rotating |
| 21:18.31 | Zolden | i tried to use terrain material on splat, and it was fucked |
| 21:18.35 | KomischOo | I cant rotate them. they wotn even rotate if you spawn them targetign a point or facing an angle |
| 21:19.01 | Zolden | if it's a unit, set "turnable" flag on |
| 21:19.06 | Triceron | hey Zolden, i found a new technique |
| 21:19.21 | Zolden | if it's actor, there are also ways, dont |
| 21:19.25 | Zolden | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.26 | Triceron | i replicated the glowing effect from the Preservers |
| 21:19.45 | Zolden | Triceron: screen? |
| 21:19.58 | Zolden | should look good |
| 21:19.59 | Triceron | http://images.wikia.com/starcraft/images/e/e1/Preserver_SC2_Rend1.jpg |
| 21:20.20 | Triceron | I did a test with my water elemental with that |
| 21:20.24 | Zolden | did you find a better use for it? |
| 21:20.33 | Zolden | screen! |
| 21:20.50 | Triceron | sec gonna snap one |
| 21:20.58 | KomischOo | do you think tinting them a little more greyish will make it look betteRß |
| 21:20.59 | Triceron | i even animated U*V |
| 21:21.03 | Triceron | so it does the same pulsing glow |
| 21:21.10 | Zolden | KomischOo: worth a try |
| 21:21.18 | Zolden | cool |
| 21:21.42 | Zolden | should be good to imitate some waterish effects |
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| 21:26.26 | Zolden | Triceron: btw, a little feature: if you don't care about specular map's color, you can put it into R or B channel of normal map and save some space :) |
| 21:27.09 | KomischOo | Zolden: id call that an improvement.. http://www.xup.in/dl,19348901/Zolden2.png |
| 21:27.25 | Triceron | yeah |
| 21:27.37 | Triceron | I usually stick the diffuse map into that |
| 21:27.44 | Triceron | and just be lazy that way :P |
| 21:27.52 | Zolden | :) |
| 21:28.07 | Zolden | KomischOo: now you only need to increase scale to fit perfectly |
| 21:28.25 | KomischOo | it fits on this spot |
| 21:28.34 | Zolden | alright |
| 21:28.55 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/WE_Glow_zps041bef05.jpg |
| 21:29.25 | Triceron | the effect is cool cuz no matter where you turn it, the glow will always be around the edges |
| 21:31.33 | Zolden | yea, cool |
| 21:31.36 | Zolden | finally it works |
| 21:32.00 | Zolden | never worked with the exporter |
| 21:32.12 | Triceron | yeah |
| 21:32.13 | Zolden | the more i use art tools or see other use them, the more i love them |
| 21:32.27 | Triceron | I'm happy so many things are possible now |
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| 21:32.51 | Zolden | yea, heaven for modellers |
| 21:32.56 | Triceron | I'm still trying to figure out how to make things 'flake' away, how they do their death transparency |
| 21:33.12 | JademusSreg | Pew pew. |
| 21:33.40 | Zolden | pews back to JademusSreg |
| 21:33.56 | nooblark | hey jade |
| 21:34.08 | nooblark | that loop yesterday don't work right, got a sec? |
| 21:34.29 | JademusSreg | Perhaps. |
| 21:35.11 | nooblark | http://pastebin.com/g8uxLxfj |
| 21:35.36 | nooblark | as of right now, it goes through all 3 columns |
| 21:35.54 | nooblark | when it gets to the second row, it goes through the values then gives error passing array value |
| 21:36.01 | Zolden | Triceron: to make death transparency, you need to have blend instead of opaque as blend mode and also have something white in the mask layer, and at death animation u'll animate layer's rgb multiplier to fade out slowly to zero |
| 21:36.46 | Triceron | does that do the dissintegrating effect? |
| 21:37.07 | Zolden | it makes model melt into nothing |
| 21:37.23 | Zolden | like it's getting more transparent |
| 21:38.02 | JademusSreg | noobl, my mind is a bit too fuzzy to read this GUI stuff. Can you pastebin the galaxy script instead? |
| 21:38.13 | Zolden | if you animate rgb multiplier or uv for normal map, it will make model look funny |
| 21:38.30 | nooblark | yah |
| 21:40.22 | nooblark | http://pastebin.com/v64yk8Mi |
| 21:43.50 | JademusSreg | I like that the script is now making use of the increment assignment operator. |
| 21:44.01 | Dustin|Work | Yeah its new |
| 21:44.08 | JademusSreg | Was always sad to see shit = shit + 1; in the generated script. |
| 21:44.16 | Dustin|Work | ++Ftw |
| 21:44.57 | nooblark | so now it says =+? |
| 21:45.00 | JademusSreg | They added pre-increment and post-increment too? |
| 21:45.11 | JademusSreg | So far as I know, pre and post haven't been added yet. |
| 21:45.18 | JademusSreg | But I've not tested it. |
| 21:45.26 | Dustin|Work | Hmmm |
| 21:46.06 | JademusSreg | So in what way is this breaking noobl? |
| 21:46.19 | nooblark | i added the text to see where it fucking up |
| 21:46.21 | nooblark | it says: |
| 21:46.38 | nooblark | Dialog: 1 Row: 1 Column: 1 |
| 21:46.40 | nooblark | Dialog: 1 Row: 1 Column: 2 |
| 21:46.41 | nooblark | Dialog: 1 Row: 1 Column: 3 |
| 21:46.46 | nooblark | Dialog: 1 Row: 2Column: 1 |
| 21:46.56 | nooblark | Dialog: 1 Row: 2 Column: 2 |
| 21:46.58 | nooblark | then |
| 21:47.15 | nooblark | trying to access element past array |
| 21:47.22 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 21:47.31 | nooblark | if i click the 6th butotn (which is 2nd row, 3rd column) |
| 21:47.56 | JademusSreg | That makes sense. What size are your arrays? |
| 21:48.08 | nooblark | [2][2][3] |
| 21:48.20 | nooblark | Dialog, Row, Column, repsectively |
| 21:48.40 | JademusSreg | Yeah. A size 2 array would have index range 0 to 1. |
| 21:48.45 | nooblark | no :O |
| 21:48.54 | A1win | the GUI lies |
| 21:48.57 | nooblark | omg |
| 21:48.59 | JademusSreg | Yeah. 2 elements, indexed from 0, 0 , 1. |
| 21:49.01 | nooblark | really? |
| 21:49.09 | nooblark | if i set an array value to 2 |
| 21:49.11 | A1win | in GUI, a size 2 array has indexes 0, 1, 2 |
| 21:49.16 | nooblark | i can use the values 0, 1, 2. |
| 21:49.20 | JademusSreg | Size is the count of elements, -not- the highest index in the array. |
| 21:49.30 | A1win | it is in the GUI :P |
| 21:49.37 | A1win | for some very strange reason |
| 21:49.37 | nooblark | listen to a1win. |
| 21:49.44 | nooblark | i used to always make my arrays +1 |
| 21:49.50 | nooblark | to avoid that. |
| 21:50.00 | JademusSreg | Because GUI lies and is unintuitive when every fucking implementation of arrays starts from 0. |
| 21:50.06 | nooblark | but it lets me use 0, 1, 2 for numbers for that array |
| 21:50.08 | nooblark | okay |
| 21:50.12 | nooblark | let's stop talking in circles. |
| 21:50.15 | JademusSreg | It basically wastes memory. |
| 21:50.19 | JademusSreg | But yeah, I'm aware. |
| 21:50.20 | A1win | JademusSreg, yeah, they start at 0 even in the GUI, it's just the "size" value that lies |
| 21:50.34 | JademusSreg | GUI does size+1. |
| 21:50.52 | nooblark | i don't use the 0 index, because it makes things confusing when dealing with things like Players[]. index 1 = player 1, not index 0 = player 1 |
| 21:50.55 | A1win | the "size" in the GUI is basically "last index of array" |
| 21:51.13 | A1win | nooblark, that's the only case where it's "confusing" |
| 21:51.19 | JademusSreg | A1, I am well aware. I was taking the opportunity to pont out it is shitty. |
| 21:51.28 | nooblark | a1win, i disagree |
| 21:51.28 | JademusSreg | *point |
| 21:51.30 | A1win | nooblark, and even then, you could just make a function that handles setting/getting the array |
| 21:51.40 | A1win | ah |
| 21:51.44 | nooblark | if i have 5 dialog boxes, it's easier to say Dialog[Box#] |
| 21:51.47 | A1win | well, it is shitty :x |
| 21:51.56 | nooblark | instead of Dialog[Box#-1] |
| 21:52.09 | A1win | nooblark, that's because your boxes should start from 0 instead of 1 |
| 21:52.15 | A1win | you're making it confusing yourself ;p |
| 21:52.19 | nooblark | all my loops and variables start at 1, to avoid wasting time checking index 0. |
| 21:52.47 | JademusSreg | noobl, you leave the space empty, and then are forced to add extra complexity to accomodate this convention. |
| 21:53.05 | nooblark | as i said, i knew arrays start at 0.. but one tmie i did a test with the GUI and it allowed the values 0,1,2 if myArray[2] |
| 21:53.23 | nooblark | i just assumed the GUI discounted 0 :o |
| 21:53.25 | A1win | it does, that's why you should set the size in the GUI one less |
| 21:53.27 | Dustin|Work | Lol |
| 21:53.34 | nooblark | you mean, 1 more :P |
| 21:53.35 | Dustin|Work | They did that to help noobs nooblark |
| 21:53.45 | JademusSreg | Naw, it's because GUI adds an extra index to dumb-proof it for users. |
| 21:53.48 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 21:53.53 | Dustin|Work | WC3, if you did Array[2] you'd have 0,1 |
| 21:53.55 | nooblark | how the hell does that dumbproof it? |
| 21:54.00 | nooblark | it makes it harder. |
| 21:54.02 | Dustin|Work | And people would freak out cause they were confused lol |
| 21:54.16 | A1win | nooblark, there's no harm in making the array 1 larger, but there is making it 1 smaller |
| 21:54.27 | nooblark | because i set the size to 2, used index 1 and 2 (WHICH IT ALLOWED ME TO USE), and yet it returns error. |
| 21:54.33 | nooblark | it should subtract 1 |
| 21:55.03 | JademusSreg | A common programming error is the off-by-one, and GUI attempts to resolve it by adding that last little buffer index. |
| 21:55.13 | JademusSreg | Enough said. |
| 21:55.17 | Dustin|Work | ^ |
| 21:55.17 | nooblark | or maybe idiots who don't know arrays start at 0 shouldn't be using an array, and blizzard sgouldn't try and work around it. |
| 21:55.44 | A1win | well, they can't change it now |
| 21:55.48 | Dustin|Work | It just adds 1 sir |
| 21:55.49 | A1win | it'd break 99% of maps :I |
| 21:56.09 | A1win | well, 99% of maps that use arrays |
| 21:56.20 | JademusSreg | Maybe idiots who don't know how to avoid getting in traffic accidents shouldn't be driving, and vehicle manufacturers shouldn't try to add seatbelts. =D |
| 21:56.31 | nooblark | i agree jade. |
| 21:57.03 | Taintedwisp | indexes start with 0 in data :P |
| 21:57.13 | A1win | and in triggers |
| 21:57.18 | nooblark | it's so frustrating because i knew arrays start at 0, and i always added +1 to them to avoid using 0. then the GUI tricked me and now my shits all fucked. |
| 21:57.25 | Taintedwisp | 0,1,2,3,4 sounds right to me :P |
| 21:57.36 | Taintedwisp | Thats how it was in Visual Basic C+ |
| 21:57.44 | A1win | though some things start at index 1: unit groups, player groups, model variations (in actor messages, not in model names) |
| 21:57.59 | Taintedwisp | If they are startng at 1 then they are fucked up |
| 21:58.10 | nooblark | tainted, you're just wrong, stfu. |
| 21:58.10 | JademusSreg | noobl, try changing the comparison on the while loops to < maxwhatever. |
| 21:58.25 | nooblark | jade, i'm just going to fix the array to be +1 |
| 21:58.33 | nooblark | i swear i tested it. |
| 21:58.35 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 21:58.37 | nooblark | and ill do it again |
| 21:58.49 | Taintedwisp | If I am wrong so is microsofts C++ visual basic book |
| 21:59.05 | Taintedwisp | and my slot machine shouldn't have worked at all :P |
| 21:59.16 | JademusSreg | Indexing is 0-based in pretty nearly every language. Some may reserve 0, but they are still 0-based. |
| 21:59.24 | nooblark | there is nothign wrong with things being set higher than 0 as starting index. the other indexes still exist. |
| 21:59.38 | A1win | it wastes memory ;OO |
| 21:59.43 | A1win | you memory waster you |
| 21:59.50 | JademusSreg | (32 bits per dimension) |
| 22:00.32 | A1win | also, it might confuse other programmers were they to work with your code |
| 22:00.48 | A1win | or people who try to help you with your code :P |
| 22:02.35 | nooblark | ok. i have the map as proof |
| 22:02.36 | Vail | some one needs to write a program that resides in the background and plays sound effects when specific configurable keys are pressed |
| 22:02.42 | nooblark | Variable: myArray[2] |
| 22:02.52 | nooblark | myArray[0] = Marine |
| 22:02.57 | Dustin|Work | The way I go about it |
| 22:02.58 | A1win | you don't need to prove anything ;D we already know how it works |
| 22:03.03 | nooblark | myArray[1] = Zergling |
| 22:03.09 | Dustin|Work | is I use 0 as my Zero Buffer |
| 22:03.12 | nooblark | myArray[2] = Zealot |
| 22:03.26 | nooblark | For each i from 0 to 2 with 1 increment |
| 22:03.38 | nooblark | Create 1 myArray[i] for player..... |
| 22:03.43 | nooblark | it makes 3 units! one of each! |
| 22:03.48 | Dustin|Work | Of course |
| 22:03.48 | A1win | yes |
| 22:03.51 | Dustin|Work | it does :p |
| 22:04.01 | nooblark | so how is mine not big enough? |
| 22:04.07 | Dustin|Work | It should be |
| 22:04.12 | JademusSreg | Baduntsss |
| 22:04.19 | Dustin|Work | Unless youve got a problem with your max loop setting |
| 22:04.22 | nooblark | i have 2 dialogs, 2 rows, and 3 columns, with array[2][2][3] |
| 22:04.36 | Dustin|Work | Whats the exact error you get |
| 22:04.38 | A1win | in a proper language, it should be myArray[3] for indexes 0, 1, and 2, in the trigger editor GUI, it's myArray[2] |
| 22:04.50 | Dustin|Work | ^ |
| 22:04.53 | nooblark | a1win, i'm aware of that |
| 22:04.54 | A1win | if something is "size 2", it shouldn't have 3 things :P |
| 22:05.04 | Dustin|Work | Ya we drilled that in his head |
| 22:05.08 | nooblark | as i said, i used to make mine +1 assuming that, until i discovered one day the GUI is wrong. |
| 22:05.14 | A1win | no! we must drill deeper |
| 22:05.24 | A1win | nooblark, ah |
| 22:05.33 | A1win | yeah, so why are we still talking about this :E |
| 22:05.42 | nooblark | because my map is giving me element past array |
| 22:05.49 | nooblark | and they thought it was because of that, and it's not :P |
| 22:05.50 | Dustin|Work | On what loop |
| 22:05.54 | A1win | that is related to something else then |
| 22:06.00 | nooblark | dustin, i'll check the thing again |
| 22:06.04 | Dustin|Work | Nooblark, make it echo out the ints that its looping through |
| 22:06.15 | Dustin|Work | So you know what it's trying to reference |
| 22:06.21 | nooblark | i did.. |
| 22:06.22 | nooblark | lol |
| 22:06.24 | Dustin|Work | oh lol |
| 22:06.28 | Dustin|Work | copy paste that shit again |
| 22:06.30 | nooblark | this is what happens: |
| 22:06.38 | JademusSreg | Breaking on the while conditional. |
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| 22:06.51 | JademusSreg | Before the message in its inner scope is called. |
| 22:07.01 | A1win | nooblark, do you echo them before or after you access the array with the index |
| 22:07.09 | A1win | if after, it doesn't get to echo the erroneous one |
| 22:07.19 | nooblark | if i click the 5th button, (2nd row, 2nd column), it goes Dialog 1 Row 1 Column ..... Dialog 1 Row 2 Column 1, ARRAY ERROR |
| 22:07.39 | nooblark | if i click the 6th button (1, 2, 3) it goes to 1, 2, 2, then array error. |
| 22:07.48 | A1win | maybe you confuse rows and columns at some point |
| 22:07.57 | Dustin|Work | Why don't you just user a 1 Dimensional array |
| 22:08.05 | Dustin|Work | Do you have to know column / row for anything? |
| 22:08.14 | nooblark | yeah, for the button that was used. |
| 22:08.14 | JademusSreg | It's exceeding the bounds perhaps because the max size whatever check in the first half of the expression is incorrect. |
| 22:08.26 | Dustin|Work | Well you could do Button[6] |
| 22:09.23 | nooblark | i could.. but it's easier to see the button as row/column, especially when there is 20 buttons :P |
| 22:09.47 | nooblark | http://pastebin.com/dVzhJKtV |
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| 22:09.51 | Dustin|Work | I just know that using a 3d array is going to take alot of array space :P |
| 22:09.53 | nooblark | there is the code that sets the Max |
| 22:10.39 | A1win | hah |
| 22:10.46 | A1win | you set it to the wrong value |
| 22:10.53 | nooblark | LOL |
| 22:10.55 | nooblark | I SEE IT! |
| 22:10.57 | Dustin|Work | we need a better paste bin, one that does galaxy/gui highlighting |
| 22:11.01 | nooblark | wait, no i dont.. |
| 22:11.12 | A1win | "if value > max: set max = value" |
| 22:11.16 | A1win | I mean |
| 22:11.33 | Dustin|Work | >= |
| 22:11.38 | A1win | no |
| 22:11.50 | Dustin|Work | Oh no that's right |
| 22:11.56 | nooblark | yeah, looks right to me. |
| 22:12.06 | nooblark | i thought i mixed up the setting variable, lol |
| 22:12.09 | A1win | if (NumberOfColumns > Variables.MaxColumns) Variable - Set Variables.MaxColumns = NumberOfColumns |
| 22:12.28 | A1win | or err, what exactly does thta do |
| 22:12.30 | A1win | *that |
| 22:12.47 | nooblark | numberofcolumns is a parameter to make a dialog with that many columns |
| 22:13.04 | nooblark | i set the max, so i can loop through the buttons without getting errors.. or so i thought :P |
| 22:13.07 | A1win | why do you even have those conditions there |
| 22:13.11 | A1win | why not just set it every time |
| 22:13.18 | nooblark | because if i make a dialog that has 2 rows |
| 22:13.23 | nooblark | then a dialog that has 3 |
| 22:13.28 | nooblark | it needs to loop through 3, not 2. |
| 22:13.41 | A1win | ._o |
| 22:14.09 | nooblark | if i make a dialog with 25 buttons, in a 5x5 fashion, it's not going to do me any good looping though 10 buttons.. |
| 22:14.48 | nooblark | this is eventually getting moved into datatables so max size needs to be known |
| 22:15.10 | A1win | that piece of code is too isolated to understand what the whole thing is supposed to do |
| 22:15.18 | Dustin|Work | Max size doesnt need to be known on datatables |
| 22:15.25 | Dustin|Work | Those are the equivilent of Hashtables right? |
| 22:15.25 | nooblark | there are other while loops i can probably use |
| 22:15.28 | JademusSreg | Called it. |
| 22:15.29 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 22:15.45 | Dustin|Work | What did you call Jade |
| 22:15.46 | JademusSreg | But yeah, Dustin. |
| 22:15.53 | nooblark | while dialogitem[x][y] == some dialog item |
| 22:16.07 | KomischOo | How do I spawn units in a circle arround a point like gathering arroudn a fire? :D |
| 22:16.13 | nooblark | is probably better than while var < max |
| 22:16.16 | JademusSreg | That data tables would be ideal for these shenanigans. |
| 22:16.18 | Dustin|Work | KomischOo, Math. |
| 22:16.25 | Dustin|Work | Hehe ya |
| 22:16.36 | Dustin|Work | Nooblark no |
| 22:16.42 | A1win | KomischOo, use the Point With Polar Offset function for the spawn point |
| 22:16.54 | A1win | and set angle based on an iterator |
| 22:16.56 | Taintedwisp | i call jade a beaner |
| 22:17.06 | Dustin|Work | cause itll only run while the above is true, so if it's not Button[0] itll exit |
| 22:17.11 | JademusSreg | Navy beans. |
| 22:17.30 | Taintedwisp | and bacon? |
| 22:17.37 | nooblark | dustin, it was the principal |
| 22:17.48 | JademusSreg | Hell yeah. |
| 22:17.55 | nooblark | i'm sure there is some better way of finding/knowing the max value of a data table] |
| 22:17.59 | Dustin|Work | OH |
| 22:18.03 | Dustin|Work | I see what you were tsaying |
| 22:18.11 | Dustin|Work | Noolark |
| 22:18.16 | Dustin|Work | You dont need the max value |
| 22:18.19 | Dustin|Work | As there is none |
| 22:18.24 | A1win | of course you need to know the size for the data table, otherwise you don't know where to stop if all indexes are not used |
| 22:18.30 | Dustin|Work | Data tables use "Key" "Value" |
| 22:18.41 | nooblark | a1win, that's what i was saying :P |
| 22:18.42 | Dustin|Work | Instead of [int]Key "Value" like arrays |
| 22:18.47 | JademusSreg | while (datatablevalueexists(blahblah)) {} |
| 22:19.04 | A1win | JademusSreg, that's assuming there are no gaps |
| 22:19.08 | JademusSreg | *blahblah+IntToString(bluh) |
| 22:19.46 | nooblark | yeah jade, that's probably a better way than knowing a max value |
| 22:19.47 | JademusSreg | If there are gaps, the user fucked up. |
| 22:19.54 | A1win | hehe |
| 22:20.16 | A1win | but I want to name my keys as banana and apple |
| 22:20.31 | nooblark | let's make a psuedo code for my thing :P |
| 22:20.40 | nooblark | or give a description. |
| 22:20.51 | JademusSreg | Because you'd also make a function for adding them to the data table, or more like a tabletree hah, that maintains an index (also in the data table), |
| 22:21.01 | nooblark | it makes a dialog that has 6 buttons, 3 in the first row, 3 in a second row. |
| 22:21.26 | nooblark | it saves the buttons as array[dialog][row][column] |
| 22:21.27 | A1win | you can still save the pointers to those dialog items in a linear manner |
| 22:21.28 | Dustin|Work | We really need Linked Lists in galaxy |
| 22:21.33 | A1win | they don't need to be 2D |
| 22:21.33 | JademusSreg | Because if you're manually adding indexed entries to a table in a tree like structure, you've really fucked yourself. |
| 22:21.38 | nooblark | because it makes multiple dialogs.. |
| 22:22.03 | Dustin|Work | nooblark |
| 22:22.15 | nooblark | so those while loops are looking for the dialog item used, depending on the dialog, row, column. then i do actions based off those indexes |
| 22:22.19 | KomischOo | @A1win im to stupid :D |
| 22:22.20 | Dustin|Work | Is this dialog going to be the same for all players |
| 22:22.25 | Dustin|Work | Like, they all use the same dialog? |
| 22:22.26 | nooblark | yessir |
| 22:22.28 | Dustin|Work | kk |
| 22:22.36 | A1win | you can name your keys as "dDrRcC" where D is dialog index, R is row index, C is column index |
| 22:22.55 | JademusSreg | Qat? |
| 22:23.28 | A1win | ._o |
| 22:23.28 | nooblark | it don't make sense that if i click the 5th button it stops at Dialog 1 Row 2 Column 1 then gives the error, but if i do 6th button it goes to Dialog 1 Row 2 Column 2 |
| 22:23.43 | nooblark | if it was the array size, you would assume it'd give the error at the same spot, right? |
| 22:23.48 | A1win | your loops are screwed somehow D: |
| 22:23.56 | nooblark | i didn |
| 22:23.58 | nooblark | i agree |
| 22:24.03 | nooblark | jade/dustin suggested them :P |
| 22:24.32 | A1win | read through them and make sure they make sense |
| 22:24.37 | KomischOo | A1win, make me happy :D |
| 22:24.43 | nooblark | i did that like 20 times :( |
| 22:24.47 | A1win | KomischOo, mmh? |
| 22:24.57 | JademusSreg | We don't control your implementation, haha. |
| 22:25.23 | KomischOo | im failign to do so... |
| 22:26.08 | nooblark | jade, honestly, do you see anything wrong with the loops? i have it set so if the Rows <= 2, Columns <= 3 |
| 22:26.31 | nooblark | when columns hit max, it increases row to 1, and sets column back to 1. |
| 22:26.40 | A1win | KomischOo, make a "For Each Real" loop, a Real variable named "Iterator", and set it as the iterator for the loop, so that it shows as "For each Iterator from 0.0 to 360.0 with inrement of 360/number of units you want to spawn" |
| 22:26.45 | nooblark | i got an idea. |
| 22:27.20 | A1win | and inside that loop, create unit at "point with polar offset, angle as Iterator, and distance as distance from the campfire thingy" |
| 22:27.55 | A1win | err, ignroe the quotation marks |
| 22:27.58 | A1win | x_X |
| 22:28.01 | A1win | ignore |
| 22:28.17 | JademusSreg | I honestly think arrays shouldn't be used for this. |
| 22:28.54 | Zolden | looks like hots beta will be ended in a few hours |
| 22:29.17 | JademusSreg | And also honestly think I should have some booze. |
| 22:29.34 | A1win | Imma watch some supernatural |
| 22:30.35 | ThunderLord | :D |
| 22:30.38 | ThunderLord | good show |
| 22:30.50 | ThunderLord | is it possible to set the render priority of an entire dialog? |
| 22:31.06 | nooblark | jade, i agree. i just didnt convert it over to use of data tables. i used arrays to make it because they are easier to work with (minus the limitation of max size) |
| 22:31.17 | nooblark | anyway, i converted those whiles to Fors, and it worked find. |
| 22:31.22 | nooblark | fine* |
| 22:31.22 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:31.36 | A1win | nooblark, did you perhaps forgot to reset the iterators in the while loops :P |
| 22:31.56 | A1win | for loops do it automagically |
| 22:31.58 | JademusSreg | I suspect it was the while conditional expression, like I said before. |
| 22:32.02 | A1win | hehe |
| 22:32.07 | nooblark | werkhegobiogheihweioph |
| 22:32.16 | JademusSreg | Because it includes an array reference in the conditional expression. |
| 22:32.28 | nooblark | you were the one who told me to use those conditions! what should it be then? |
| 22:32.31 | JademusSreg | Erm, it checks the array and shit. |
| 22:32.38 | nooblark | if Increment < Max |
| 22:32.40 | nooblark | and..? |
| 22:33.20 | JademusSreg | It shouldn't be checking the array value in the while conditional expression, it should only be checking the incrementer. |
| 22:33.26 | nooblark | i originally wanted to use for loops with breaks, but you said bad :( |
| 22:33.35 | A1win | :P |
| 22:33.48 | A1win | nothing wrong with while loops, you just used them wrong |
| 22:33.49 | nooblark | it checks that the variable (that is an array (type dialog item)) is = used one. |
| 22:33.50 | JademusSreg | You were doing increment <= limit && checking some array value[][][] |
| 22:34.25 | JademusSreg | The second half of that expression was probably responsible for the error. |
| 22:34.27 | Dustin|Work | That shits so hard to read without syntax highlighting too |
| 22:34.31 | Dustin|Work | And being gui |
| 22:34.40 | JademusSreg | Which I attempted to point out, haha/. |
| 22:34.43 | nooblark | i linked the non GUI. |
| 22:34.52 | nooblark | still no syntax highlight though |
| 22:35.20 | Dustin|Work | Yeah |
| 22:35.42 | A1win | screenshot ;> |
| 22:35.43 | Dustin|Work | For WC3, WC3Campaigns had a sick code on the forums that would make the gui copy/paste look just like the editor |
| 22:35.45 | Dustin|Work | Was awesome |
| 22:35.57 | A1win | haha I remember that |
| 22:35.57 | JademusSreg | I use C highlighting for galaxy. |
| 22:36.04 | nooblark | for the sake of argument, if i have 2 loops, one nested in another, and i use a break, will it break both, orjust 1? |
| 22:36.11 | Dustin|Work | Im about to just switch to Galaxy |
| 22:36.17 | A1win | nooblark, just one |
| 22:36.20 | nooblark | thanks |
| 22:36.22 | Dustin|Work | like I did switch to vJass |
| 22:36.44 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 22:37.09 | JademusSreg | Hope I find time tp make an addon for a decent IDE by then. |
| 22:37.12 | Dustin|Work | Is there syntax highlighting in the galaxy editor? |
| 22:37.21 | JademusSreg | Yeah, barebones. |
| 22:37.26 | A1win | haha "real life Kenny" in supernatural |
| 22:37.27 | Dustin|Work | Lame |
| 22:37.55 | Dustin|Work | JademusSreg, You use Sublime Text2? |
| 22:38.05 | JademusSreg | I've also got highlighter for np++, but would like to get around to making an addon for eclipse or visual studio. |
| 22:38.19 | Dustin|Work | Should make one for ST2 :D |
| 22:38.30 | Dustin|Work | Ive moved from N++ to it |
| 22:38.31 | JademusSreg | Does sublime use Scintilla? |
| 22:39.23 | KomischOo | A1win? |
| 22:39.31 | A1win | ? |
| 22:39.32 | Dustin|Work | Is that how EOL are displayed jade? |
| 22:39.45 | KomischOo | what is still wrong? :D |
| 22:39.46 | KomischOo | http://www1.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=62443691 |
| 22:40.09 | Dustin|Work | I dont think it does |
| 22:40.14 | JademusSreg | Scintilla is used as a basis for a lot of highlighters, but it has some shitty technical limits. |
| 22:40.16 | A1win | your iterator is in the wrong place |
| 22:40.17 | Dustin|Work | But is' super modal |
| 22:40.20 | A1win | use a local variable |
| 22:40.22 | A1win | why is it an array D: |
| 22:40.39 | Dustin|Work | Got its own plugin system, Im running intelisense on mine |
| 22:40.43 | A1win | and why do you repeat it every 0.4 seconds? |
| 22:40.45 | JademusSreg | Badass. |
| 22:40.52 | Dustin|Work | So I can CTRL+Click a function reference to take me to its class |
| 22:41.04 | Dustin|Work | Or definiton |
| 22:41.10 | KomischOo | i want to kill and respawn them |
| 22:41.14 | KomischOo | cointinously |
| 22:41.17 | A1win | oh |
| 22:41.20 | A1win | well anyway |
| 22:41.24 | JademusSreg | I'll give it a spin in the near future, see if it's suitable. |
| 22:41.36 | Dustin|Work | I think you'll enjoy it |
| 22:41.36 | A1win | the iterator should be a Local Variable, and it should not be an array |
| 22:41.45 | Dustin|Work | It's cross platform, modal, and sexy |
| 22:42.18 | A1win | and you should put the iterator in the "towards 0.0 degrees" so that it's "towards Iterator degrees" |
| 22:42.41 | nooblark | i fixed it with for loops and breaks. |
| 22:43.13 | JademusSreg | If it has the requisite features, I'd make an addon for it. |
| 22:44.13 | Dustin|Work | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/843426/SublimeText2.png |
| 22:44.22 | Dustin|Work | That's how I have mine setup |
| 22:44.32 | nooblark | jade, what's your opinion on the loops being functions, and while functions == false execute them with 1 increment.. when it finds the used value, it returns true, which would stop the loop.. :o |
| 22:44.47 | JademusSreg | I admit, that's pretty sexy. |
| 22:45.53 | JademusSreg | noobl, depends on what you're trying to do. |
| 22:46.33 | A1win | nooblark, there's also the Skip Remaining Actions action that breaks the entire action/function |
| 22:46.52 | A1win | so if you don't need to execute anything after the loops, you could break it with that |
| 22:47.21 | KomischOo | A1win, they shouldt be created once after each other |
| 22:47.26 | KomischOo | i need them all at once |
| 22:47.28 | iMisu2 | Brb going to make a map filled with sloppy triggers and be a super douche on sc2mapsters irc |
| 22:47.28 | A1win | but if you just used an 1D list to save them, you wouldn't need more than 1 break ;p |
| 22:47.54 | iMisu2 | Lol nooblark |
| 22:48.05 | KomischOo | A1win, all spawn in a circle and then die again |
| 22:48.08 | KomischOo | then respawn |
| 22:48.11 | KomischOo | die.. |
| 22:48.12 | A1win | KomischOo, oh, then it should not be a loop |
| 22:48.15 | Dustin|Work | I tried to tell him that A1win :P |
| 22:48.21 | Dustin|Work | But ORGANAIZATION! :D |
| 22:48.26 | nooblark | people throw my ideas out the window, i wanted to convert them to a 1D, using a simple formula, and people got all butthurt. |
| 22:48.48 | A1win | KomischOo, then you need a global iterator, and a check to reset the iterator to 0 when it's 360 or greater |
| 22:48.49 | iMisu2 | Let the butthurt flow |
| 22:48.51 | Dustin|Work | We really need to make a dialog system |
| 22:49.17 | Dustin|Work | Where you specify the dialog button and attach a trigger to run to it when it's initialised or something and have them all handeled by a nice system |
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| 22:49.49 | nooblark | presets! |
| 22:49.50 | nooblark | lol |
| 22:49.55 | A1win | KomischOo, if (Iterator >= 360) { set Iterator = 0.0 }; crate unit at Point offset by 10.0 towards Iterator degrees facing some angle |
| 22:50.11 | A1win | oh and |
| 22:50.17 | A1win | Iterator += 10.0 |
| 22:50.25 | KomischOo | im to stupid for this :( |
| 22:50.30 | A1win | (Modify Variable - Iterator + 10.0) |
| 22:50.48 | A1win | you just need experience ;p |
| 22:51.07 | A1win | stupidity is not the same as lack of knowledge :P |
| 22:51.45 | Dustin|Work | If I told you to punch yourself in the face, and you did it, then you'd be stupid :D |
| 22:52.03 | KomischOo | id totally do so :D |
| 22:52.07 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 22:52.13 | KomischOo | you guys are my massters |
| 22:52.39 | JademusSreg | Dustin, could be done pretty easily. |
| 22:52.57 | Dustin|Work | Yeah, I think it would be a nice Library |
| 22:53.47 | nooblark | do it |
| 22:54.25 | JademusSreg | Either by making a function for making dialog controls that also takes a trigger to execute whose reference is table'd, or by registering the dialog control for a simple trigger that sends the newly added trigger signal, and then allow users to hook into that signal at their leisure. |
| 22:55.02 | JademusSreg | I can see the appeal of both, but the former would be more intuitive for GUI users, I imagine. |
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| 22:55.55 | Bounty | >.< |
| 22:56.22 | JademusSreg | Hell, you could make use of the User Data added in 1.5 to completely define dialogs and their controls from data, and on init read the user data and generate the dialogs from the instances. |
| 22:56.33 | JademusSreg | Hi thar. |
| 22:56.47 | Bounty | So i think i figured out how to give a game like Photon Discs weapon variety without messing with the inherited balance by everyone having the same weapon |
| 22:57.06 | Bounty | Weapon Zones |
| 22:57.24 | Bounty | Enter an area and you use the weapon designated for that area >.< |
| 22:57.31 | Ahli | -> always stands at border to fight into the other zone with the better weapon |
| 22:58.00 | Bounty | Well duh thats why you would design levels to prevent that |
| 22:58.02 | JademusSreg | Sounds like Metroid Other M or Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. |
| 22:58.15 | Bounty | oh wow so its already been done before? |
| 22:58.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:58.37 | JademusSreg | In a sense. |
| 22:58.47 | Dustin|Work | going homeeeeee |
| 22:58.59 | Bounty | Think it would be fun? |
| 22:59.26 | JademusSreg | If you can account for Ahli's exploit, could work. =D |
| 22:59.31 | A1win | create walls that change the discs when they hit them / go through them |
| 22:59.37 | A1win | instead of changing the weapon |
| 23:00.02 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of the inverse of those brick breaking pongy games. |
| 23:00.02 | Bounty | lol that would be the most unique mechanic ive ever seen |
| 23:00.34 | Bounty | Did you really just come up with that out of the blue A1win? That is pretty damn impressive |
| 23:00.41 | A1win | I did :P |
| 23:00.53 | JademusSreg | Like a reality shift. |
| 23:01.13 | Bounty | wouldnt even have to be discs just a standard projectile |
| 23:01.18 | Bounty | and depending on what it goes through it changes |
| 23:01.34 | Bounty | so you could in theory have synergies |
| 23:01.36 | A1win | well with discs it'd be more interesting since they bounce |
| 23:01.55 | JademusSreg | "Paradigm Fracture" |
| 23:01.59 | Bounty | like, one "wall" splits the projectiles into 3 but then those 3 projectiles go into another wall that turns them into fireballs or something |
| 23:02.08 | JademusSreg | Sounds like an anime or some such. |
| 23:02.26 | A1win | prisms splitting lasers |
| 23:02.44 | Bounty | Quick question |
| 23:02.53 | Bounty | Think Photon Discs would have been better or worse in first person mode? |
| 23:03.00 | JademusSreg | Worse. |
| 23:03.05 | A1win | I haven't played it =P |
| 23:03.40 | Bounty | btw if i ever did another photon discs game the first thing i would do is limit the amount of bounces lol |
| 23:03.49 | Bounty | fucking campers |
| 23:03.53 | Triceron | if you're not aiming up or down, having it first person is kind of pointless |
| 23:04.06 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 23:04.19 | Bounty | True that would kind of mess up the perspective |
| 23:04.58 | Bounty | I REALLY like that concept A LOT A1win lol |
| 23:05.04 | A1win | haha |
| 23:05.12 | Bounty | I think that wins the award for most unique concept ever uttered in this shithole |
| 23:05.26 | A1win | well I'm not going to do anything with it, feel free to use it ;p |
| 23:05.31 | Bounty | Only problem is level design would be difficult |
| 23:05.34 | JademusSreg | Implementations > Ideas =D |
| 23:05.47 | Bounty | I dont think i have the level design skill to do that |
| 23:06.10 | A1win | depends on what the walls actually change the projectiles into |
| 23:06.25 | Bounty | Well i mean right off the bat i would think everyone hear thought of split |
| 23:06.33 | Bounty | like the projectile splits into multiples |
| 23:06.41 | Triceron | you should have walls that spawn the adjutant from haunted forest |
| 23:06.53 | Bounty | lol easter egg? |
| 23:06.58 | A1win | a simple form of that would be that there are black and white projectiles and black and white damage absorbtion, and force fields that change black <-> white |
| 23:07.01 | Bounty | Bounty Allstars |
| 23:07.05 | Triceron | mess up people's day for sure |
| 23:07.29 | Bounty | wait what, explain that A1win, wtf are you talking about |
| 23:07.36 | A1win | haha |
| 23:07.57 | Triceron | have you played Ikaruga? |
| 23:08.02 | Bounty | no |
| 23:08.06 | Bounty | no idea what that is |
| 23:08.13 | A1win | 2 damage types and 2 different damage prevention types |
| 23:08.21 | ThunderLord | if i have a substring from 0 to 0, will that return the first letter of the string? |
| 23:08.41 | JademusSreg | Null, I'd expect. |
| 23:08.47 | JademusSreg | Rather, empty string. |
| 23:09.05 | ThunderLord | well then how can i get the Nth character of a string? would it be N, N+1? |
| 23:09.11 | A1win | yeah |
| 23:09.32 | A1win | think of those as points between the characters |
| 23:09.59 | A1win | or I think so... not sure |
| 23:10.04 | A1win | test it ;p |
| 23:10.08 | JademusSreg | Most substring function parameters effectively ask "from the start of which character do I start and from the start of which character do I stop?" |
| 23:10.40 | Bounty | I just told the wife your concept A1win |
| 23:10.48 | Bounty | she was like "You gonna do it!?" |
| 23:10.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:10.59 | A1win | ;p |
| 23:11.57 | Bounty | I have thought about this before though, if i ever made a new game i would want it to be something that would give people a reason to log back into SC2 >.< |
| 23:12.07 | Bounty | Debating on if this concept would meet that |
| 23:12.31 | Bounty | Has it ever been done before? Not just in SC2 but in general |
| 23:12.51 | A1win | if it was with discs, I'd make those walls collide with the discs so that you can't just aim through a wall to change the disc to something else to instantly hit someone, but need to actually bounce it to make it "stronger" |
| 23:12.57 | JademusSreg | Not that I recall. |
| 23:13.17 | A1win | I can't think of any game where projectiles change based on where they hit |
| 23:13.37 | A1win | but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some old console game that does it :x |
| 23:13.39 | Bounty | This is a concept worthy of a REAL game, not just a SC2 mod lol |
| 23:13.40 | Bounty | imo |
| 23:13.47 | A1win | haha, it's not that amazing |
| 23:13.49 | JademusSreg | The closest thing I can think of is Quantum Conundrum, and that changes the game world. |
| 23:13.52 | A1win | on its own |
| 23:14.42 | Bounty | I should just go crazy and have it to where when the disc bounce not only does it change the properties of the disc but it changes the entire world |
| 23:14.50 | Bounty | for no reason |
| 23:14.52 | A1win | hehe |
| 23:14.55 | Bounty | just over the top WTF? |
| 23:15.19 | A1win | randomly generates a new layout for the level every time a disc hits one of those walls =p |
| 23:15.37 | Bounty | lol, you never played Photon Discs so you have no idea how bad that would be |
| 23:15.42 | A1win | hehe |
| 23:15.52 | Bounty | would generate a new layout every fraction of a milisecond |
| 23:15.56 | A1win | it was a joke anyway |
| 23:16.06 | A1win | I've seen some videos |
| 23:16.51 | JademusSreg | A level in 4 spatial dimensions. |
| 23:16.56 | A1win | one simple effect would be to simply increase the strength of the disc every time it bounces from such a wall |
| 23:17.07 | A1win | until it reaches max bounces, and then explodes |
| 23:17.15 | Bounty | That is not a mechanic worthy of returning to map making for |
| 23:17.16 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:17.43 | A1win | also makes the explosion harder the more times it has bounced from a power up wall :x |
| 23:17.46 | A1win | haha |
| 23:17.47 | Bounty | I like the original so much because it is so unique and would allow for a lot of strategy and synergy |
| 23:17.52 | A1win | yeah just throwing out some ideas |
| 23:19.17 | JademusSreg | http://marctenbosch.com/miegakure/ <3 |
| 23:19.38 | Triceron | you should make giant arrows on the ground that spawn randomly |
| 23:19.53 | Triceron | that change the direction of projectiles that hover over em |
| 23:20.00 | Bounty | what does that even mean Triceron, what is the point lol |
| 23:20.01 | Triceron | like ling ling rocket |
| 23:20.05 | Bounty | ah |
| 23:20.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:20.16 | Triceron | walls that aren't walls |
| 23:20.20 | JademusSreg | Ling Ling Rocket Launcher, amirite? |
| 23:20.29 | Bounty | so basically, have projectiles turn into the ghost from Haunted Forest and change directions on arrows from Ling Ling Rocket |
| 23:20.42 | Triceron | you can move over em fine, but any projectiles get their directions changed to where the arrow points |
| 23:20.56 | Bounty | Yeah that would be easy to do |
| 23:21.05 | Bounty | would allow for some amusing kills lol |
| 23:21.14 | Triceron | and denials, haha |
| 23:21.19 | A1win | gravity well discs! |
| 23:21.24 | JademusSreg | Or hell, just call the project Bounty. It will be a convergence of your best ideas. |
| 23:21.29 | Triceron | lol, disc curving |
| 23:21.40 | Bounty | Have i ever even had any ideas? |
| 23:21.45 | Bounty | Original ones lol |
| 23:21.49 | JademusSreg | No such thing. |
| 23:22.04 | Triceron | what's trifaction based on |
| 23:22.06 | Bounty | Ok, let me rephrase that. |
| 23:22.25 | Bounty | Have i ever even had any games that were not based on another game |
| 23:22.53 | Bounty | Regardless, im sure the name Bounty is taken |
| 23:22.58 | Bounty | BountyCraft |
| 23:23.03 | JademusSreg | Everything is derivative, novelty is just interesting combinations of derivative ideas. |
| 23:23.11 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDcRkC9cXss |
| 23:23.22 | A1win | scripted projectile physics :P |
| 23:23.50 | Bounty | To bad that video is boring as shit |
| 23:23.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:23.55 | A1win | hehe |
| 23:23.58 | A1win | just testing out |
| 23:24.02 | Bounty | could have atleast moved the camera once |
| 23:24.11 | A1win | it can't be moved =P |
| 23:24.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:25.06 | A1win | I only worked on that during 2 days, then got bored |
| 23:25.07 | A1win | :P |
| 23:25.25 | Bounty | I have not even opened the editor in months |
| 23:25.57 | Bounty | I wanna do a game style in the form of Brutal Legend |
| 23:26.01 | Bounty | Metal, and just over the top wacky |
| 23:26.03 | Ahli | yo mommaship so fat, sucking in all projectiles it launches |
| 23:31.01 | Triceron | i didn't know for the longest time that brutal legend had rts mechanics |
| 23:31.26 | Triceron | i thought it was just a beat em up sorta game |
| 23:31.57 | Bounty | Yeah it had very poor marketing in that sense |
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| 23:33.32 | Triceron | I always liked games with minion mechanics, like Overlord or Pikmin |
| 23:33.49 | JademusSreg | Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making this gift for you? |
| 23:34.47 | Bounty | You can legally use small portions of real music legally right? lol |
| 23:34.54 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 23:34.56 | Bounty | and why did i say legally twice... |
| 23:34.58 | JademusSreg | It's called "sampling". |
| 23:35.05 | A1win | Tim Minchin said it's 8 seconds, I believe him! |
| 23:35.11 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 23:35.41 | Bounty | I really want to do something with this, the entire thing lol its only a minute long http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-chc7bfxEM |
| 23:35.44 | A1win | he tends to make jokes about it, playing exactly 8 seconds of someone else's music |
| 23:35.52 | Bounty | But since its short does that matter legal wise? |
| 23:36.24 | Bounty | So i take it using that entire 1 minute song is not legal |
| 23:36.34 | A1win | probably not |
| 23:37.00 | Triceron | sampling is like 15 seconds or less (don't quote me on exact time) |
| 23:37.07 | A1win | 8! |
| 23:37.17 | Triceron | is it really 8? |
| 23:37.39 | A1win | dunno :P |
| 23:37.47 | Triceron | I don't know who thys Tim Mnchin guy is, but I'm calling him on his bullshit |
| 23:38.29 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 23:40.02 | A1win | then you must watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1EhaANeYCI |
| 23:42.47 | nooblark | okay so i'm curious |
| 23:42.56 | nooblark | who wants to try and explain how to make units in a circle |
| 23:43.09 | nooblark | i know how to make the units at offset, facing, but how do you go around the circle? |
| 23:43.23 | JademusSreg | Incrementally. |
| 23:43.25 | nooblark | i tried to do cicumference / 360 |
| 23:43.27 | A1win | haha, I just explained that |
| 23:43.29 | Sevenix | just make a loop |
| 23:43.40 | A1win | use Point With Polar Offset for easiness |
| 23:43.52 | nooblark | mmk |
| 23:43.54 | nooblark | thnx |
| 23:44.06 | JademusSreg | Pastebin to the rescue. |
| 23:45.06 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/pEx5GFVi |
| 23:45.34 | JademusSreg | This is old code, too. |
| 23:45.46 | nooblark | thanks jade! galaxy code i can't use! |
| 23:45.48 | nooblark | lol |
| 23:46.08 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:46.32 | nooblark | i was trying to make one from scratch, but i didnt use polar |
| 23:46.36 | JademusSreg | The logic is what matters, not the details. |
| 23:47.42 | nooblark | distance = diameter * pi / 360, then did an increment as (360/#of units) and then distance * increment |
| 23:47.52 | nooblark | and just moved around with offset distance :P |
| 23:48.01 | A1win | :x |
| 23:48.06 | nooblark | it's hard to understand logic in a differet language |
| 23:48.36 | A1win | I'm all out of good series to watch D: |
| 23:49.02 | A1win | got some episodes of Elementary left but it's not as great as I'd like |
| 23:51.27 | nooblark | wow that was easy. |
| 23:52.38 | nooblark | you guys don't understand when trying to explain something to someone, you need to get pretty basic. i don't think the guy that was looking how to do this cared about the # of units and stuff, he just wanted them basically touching eachother, and he could do that by making the angle distance = footprint of unit |
| 23:53.03 | nooblark | i tried to help him, but i didn't know there was already a function in the game do make them in a circle :( |
| 23:53.09 | nooblark | so i was making my own function |
| 23:53.29 | A1win | :x |
| 23:53.44 | A1win | we understand, we just can't always be bothered to go into that much detail |
| 23:54.53 | nooblark | so don't give help at all :O |
| 23:55.03 | A1win | ._o |
| 23:55.14 | nooblark | he was so confused as to what you were trying to say.. |
| 23:55.17 | A1win | we're not mindreaders :P |
| 23:55.26 | A1win | we don't know on what level the asker is |
| 23:55.29 | nooblark | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.29 | nooblark | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.29 | nooblark | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.47 | nooblark | that makes marines in a perfect circle (with 1 marine outside of it) |
| 23:56.16 | A1win | yeah? |
| 23:56.21 | A1win | that's the first thing I told him |
| 23:56.28 | nooblark | well i must have missed that |
| 23:56.29 | A1win | after that he said he wants to spawn them 1 at a time |
| 23:56.36 | nooblark | add a wait. lol |
| 23:56.38 | A1win | and I told him what he needs to change :x |
| 23:57.06 | A1win | after that I started watching Supernatural ;p |
| 23:57.09 | nooblark | lol |
| 23:57.43 | nooblark | i feel as though that trigger is simple enough to honestly say to someone "if you don't understand that, you won't be able to put it in your map" |
| 23:57.52 | A1win | anyway, I'd rather people figure some things out on their own, we can't give step-by-step instructions to everyone who asks a question here :x |
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| 23:57.59 | nooblark | instead, jade offers me a pastebin of galaxy script.. lol |
| 23:58.13 | JademusSreg | I expect people to have a basic operating knowledge of shit, because if I had to explain the fundamentals to help solve every problem that pops up here, I'd get fuck all done. So yeah, I will handwave and expect people to work and understand my brief explanation. |
| 23:58.31 | A1win | well, the *very* first thing I told was to use Point With Polar Offset function, after which I gave some more details when he asked |
| 23:58.41 | nooblark | i'm not trying to bash you guys |
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| 23:59.12 | Dustin | Hola |
| 23:59.14 | nooblark | i always see people ask simple questions, and it appears they get more confused trying to follow your directions, although they may be simple, they aren't the basic |
| 23:59.29 | JademusSreg | It's of no consequence either way. It's how it goes here, some people will handhold, some handwave. |
| 23:59.31 | nooblark | if i knew how to answer them, i woukld |
| 23:59.33 | A1win | that's their problem ;p |
| 23:59.47 | nooblark | i'm going to finish up my function |
| 23:59.58 | JademusSreg | Hi thar Dustin. |
