| 00:02.11 | Taintedwisp | Kubi I already did that I added watermelon to my map |
| 00:05.17 | Zolden | ok, i release homm on na |
| 00:05.27 | Zolden | if anyone wants to test - welcome |
| 00:18.30 | Ahli | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/acceptable-use.html yay, I'm legally making d1 |
| 00:18.51 | nooblark | Custom Games should be playable by all users. |
| 00:18.51 | nooblark | Custom Game developers may not develop Custom Games that include a mechanism that allows the developer to limit access to the Custom Game to certain users. |
| 00:19.01 | nooblark | stupid ass mafia wars |
| 00:19.33 | Ahli | well, I'm just researching on a case where a player was banned on city of tempest on EU |
| 00:19.57 | Ahli | therefore I open maps and look at the code to see how many from which region are banned :D just as I did for mafia |
| 00:20.26 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 00:20.50 | Zolden | Ahli: cool, fix the name first |
| 00:20.52 | Zolden | can you |
| 00:20.55 | Zolden | "Diablo" |
| 00:21.10 | A1win | what's the difference between Eye and Target positions for camera shake? D: |
| 00:21.18 | Triceron | sweet, I can legally recreate Warcraft 2 |
| 00:21.28 | JademusSreg | Is Mafia's mapscript obfuscated? Or, gasp, does it still have its GUI trigger data in tact? |
| 00:22.04 | Ahli | didnt try it, yet |
| 00:22.22 | Ahli | mapscript isn't obfusciated |
| 00:22.28 | nooblark | jade, you mean the variables are all set to long, random, and similar things to throw off how the code is executed? |
| 00:22.39 | JademusSreg | Pretty much. |
| 00:22.45 | nooblark | isn't that.. easily fixed? |
| 00:22.50 | JademusSreg | Also, I'm surprised. |
| 00:22.58 | nooblark | i mean, renaming the variables, would rename them in the code.. |
| 00:23.17 | Ahli | you can still follow the traces for "playerHandle" |
| 00:23.46 | nooblark | if not, we have programs as simple as notepad++ that would highlight the things, even regular notepade, you can copy the thing and do a search.. |
| 00:24.38 | Ahli | well, that city of tempest map looks like void gt_EBB894EB9FADEC8BA4ED9689_Init () { gt_EBB894EB9FADEC8BA4ED9689 = TriggerCreate("gt_EBB894EB9FADEC8BA4ED9689_Func"); |
| 00:24.55 | JademusSreg | noobl, deobfuscation is non-trivial, though certainly easier in galaxy than it would be in another language. |
| 00:25.23 | JademusSreg | Natives and the rest of the standard library make deobfuscating galaxy code easier, sure. |
| 00:25.43 | nooblark | oh i see |
| 00:25.59 | JademusSreg | But without semantically-meaningful identifiers, it takes non-trivial time to figure out the purpose of obfuscated code. |
| 00:25.59 | nooblark | because there are no custom functions, they are all premade from blizzard |
| 00:27.23 | nooblark | it should be harder to crack the maps.. this way people like me don't need to worry about wasting time doing stuff like htat |
| 00:27.55 | Ahli | was there any case of stealing stuff in sc2? |
| 00:28.14 | nooblark | im sure there has been |
| 00:28.16 | Ahli | I got the impression that sc2 behaves better than people in scbw |
| 00:28.25 | JademusSreg | Or don't bother? Because people are going to look and learn, and will just mock the feeble attempts at security? |
| 00:28.53 | Ahli | I've nothing against looking and learning :D |
| 00:28.56 | JademusSreg | Yeah, Ahli, perhaps because accounts are less disposable. |
| 00:28.56 | nooblark | so jade, SCU is not obfuscated? |
| 00:29.27 | JademusSreg | noobl, my position with SCU is not a directorial one, I assure you. |
| 00:29.36 | nooblark | i'm just saying |
| 00:29.45 | nooblark | something that took years to develop.. |
| 00:29.53 | Ahli | like my map |
| 00:30.03 | nooblark | i would assume would have at least an attempt to security |
| 00:30.14 | JademusSreg | You've already given them the information; you put your map on bnet, people download it, they already have it. |
| 00:30.50 | nooblark | i'm not a genuis. all my code can be made by anyone who has used the SC editor for more than i day, i'm just curiious |
| 00:30.56 | Ahli | I made anti-duping stuff in my map :D |
| 00:31.24 | nooblark | so are you going to work on it again, and finish it? |
| 00:31.33 | JademusSreg | And I'm cool with people learning how shit works. I don't obfuscate my code, and I put source up. I make my demos and pocs available to everyone. |
| 00:31.39 | A1win | any ideas for a sound that sounds like the space ship you're in is shaking from taking hits D: |
| 00:32.06 | nooblark | the sound of a vibration on a hard surface? |
| 00:32.31 | A1win | I mean, I'm not a sound recorder :P speaking of the available assets |
| 00:32.38 | A1win | unles someone wants to do me a favor ;p |
| 00:32.42 | nooblark | oh. no clue :P |
| 00:32.44 | Ahli | ohh sweet, found mod with tons of scu models I can't use :< |
| 00:32.52 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 00:33.31 | nooblark | i'm totally confused about this whole topic, why can't you use them? |
| 00:33.42 | A1win | maybe I'll use EXPLOSIONS |
| 00:33.57 | A1win | hmm the drop pod crash sound might work |
| 00:34.10 | Ahli | scu hasn't more on the map than the stuff you could play on |
| 00:34.55 | nooblark | i had a long hard day at work |
| 00:35.04 | nooblark | my brain, and especially my body, are not working right now. |
| 00:35.33 | Ahli | why has scu only a few localizations and all are english? |
| 00:35.37 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 00:35.40 | Ahli | just use 1 and use english o0 |
| 00:37.17 | Ahli | 8380 lines of code... =/ |
| 00:37.19 | Taintedwisp | Hey Vail your a graphic artist correct? |
| 00:40.05 | nooblark | how can i stay awake for 4 more hours |
| 00:40.13 | JademusSreg | Cocaine. |
| 00:40.18 | Ahli | 79k lines... there I found the important mod :D |
| 00:40.27 | JademusSreg | Not 79k lines of cocaine. |
| 00:40.55 | JademusSreg | That would keep him awake for more than 4 hours. |
| 00:40.57 | JademusSreg | Maybe. |
| 00:41.13 | nooblark | i'd die. |
| 00:41.17 | JademusSreg | Yes, that. |
| 00:41.23 | nooblark | besides, meth is better for staying awake than cocaine |
| 00:41.31 | JademusSreg | Yes, but you said 4 hours. |
| 00:42.09 | A1win | pff drop pod sound has a "falling" pre-crash sound in it |
| 00:42.25 | A1win | and it doesn't sound like shaking |
| 00:42.30 | JademusSreg | Modify the sound. |
| 00:42.37 | A1win | there are no shaking sounds :< |
| 00:42.42 | Taintedwisp | nvm I got it |
| 00:44.18 | nooblark | afk |
| 00:44.31 | nooblark | probably end up falling asleep whereever i end up sitting down at |
| 00:45.11 | Ahli | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/acceptable-use.html that thing does not include that we can't use hots assets for wings maps... |
| 00:45.47 | Ahli | Custom Game developers may only re-create the following Blizzard games (including their expansion packs): Blackthorne?, The Lost Vikings® I & II, Warcraft®: Orcs & Humans?, Warcraft® II: Tides of Darkness?, Warcraft® III: Reign of Chaos®, World of Warcraft®, Diablo®, Diablo® II, Diablo® III, StarCraft® and StarCraft®: Brood War®. For the avoidance of doubt, StarCraft® does not include StarCraft® II. Additionally, although Custom |
| 00:45.47 | Ahli | may use StarCraft II assets to create maps and mods for StarCraft II, Custom Game developers are not allowed to re-create single player missions or scenarios or multiplayer maps that Blizzard has created for StarCraft II. |
| 00:45.52 | A1win | oh yeah lots of impact sounds... |
| 00:48.52 | A1win | :o siege tank attack impact |
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| 00:49.46 | JademusSreg | A while ago I cut up several persistent gun report sounds to get individual shots. Turned out well. |
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| 00:50.18 | JademusSreg | I hope there's nothing in the terms about modifying their assets, haha. |
| 00:50.40 | sharf224 | ok I know I have to be doing this wrong, what's the best way to make a levelable (through learn) passive ability? |
| 00:52.12 | JademusSreg | Dummy ability + behavior + requirement which checks the ability level |
| 00:54.19 | sharf224 | what about a passive button? same concept? |
| 00:54.30 | sharf224 | req that checks the dummy ability? |
| 00:54.50 | JademusSreg | Yes, that's the third part up there. =D |
| 00:55.11 | JademusSreg | Applies to the button and the behavior itself. |
| 00:55.21 | JademusSreg | Rather, buttons. |
| 00:55.49 | JademusSreg | You'll probably need 3 in the same position and show one for each level. |
| 00:55.49 | sharf224 | thought so |
| 00:55.54 | sharf224 | mhm |
| 00:55.55 | sharf224 | thanks |
| 00:56.08 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 00:56.13 | sharf224 | gonna have a trigger question in a second too lol |
| 00:58.41 | A1win | oh well this isn't perfect but it'll do for now |
| 00:58.45 | Ahli | there is no acceptable use text in my language... (empty page)... what does that mean for me? |
| 01:00.19 | Ahli | only exists in English |
| 01:00.49 | A1win | ? |
| 01:01.39 | JademusSreg | Haha. Crashed the game. |
| 01:02.51 | Ahli | if you agreed to the new EULA and saw it in a non-English language, there was no way that you could see the CUSTOM GAME ACCEPTABLE USE POLICY... |
| 01:03.27 | Ahli | I saw the English one, but what if I didn't... =/ |
| 01:03.28 | JademusSreg | Advice: Do not remove the items from an ability's Orders array. |
| 01:03.43 | Ahli | why? |
| 01:03.47 | Ahli | oh |
| 01:03.49 | JademusSreg | Crashes the game. |
| 01:04.00 | Taintedwisp | Yo vail I gave husky a proper button for his new ability |
| 01:04.05 | Ahli | via catalog or just at map start? |
| 01:04.11 | JademusSreg | When you select the unit. |
| 01:04.21 | Ahli | DONT CLICK THE FLAG revival |
| 01:04.26 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 01:05.18 | JademusSreg | It probably attempts to render the order waypoint, then fails to do so. |
| 01:05.38 | JademusSreg | I'll try again. |
| 01:06.29 | JademusSreg | Only this time, with the unit's UI: Order Display Minimum set to - nevermind, 1 is that field's minimum. |
| 01:10.51 | Otixa | FUCKING GAME OF THRONES |
| 01:20.29 | Triceron | less than a month! |
| 01:22.39 | sharf224 | ok, now I need trigger help lol |
| 01:23.20 | sharf224 | I have a behavior that has a chance to evade damage, I want a text pop up over the head of the attacking unit every time it "misses" |
| 01:25.19 | A1win | a behavior with a chance that sets incoming damage to 0% (using damage response) and has a dummy effect that you can then use to detect when the behavior caused the damage response |
| 01:26.08 | A1win | might be able to do that with an actor message in data editor, but I haven't used the text actor messages |
| 01:26.26 | A1win | take a look at automated refinery from the campaign, for example |
| 01:26.51 | A1win | but if you want to do the text with triggers, you can use "player uses effect" event with that dummy effect from that behavior |
| 01:27.24 | A1win | I'd do that with data, seems more elegant |
| 01:28.22 | sharf224 | hmm |
| 01:28.37 | sharf224 | how do I do a dummy effect? |
| 01:29.03 | A1win | just make an effect that does nothing, easiest to do with a Set type |
| 01:29.11 | A1win | -a |
| 01:29.18 | A1win | "Set" type, that is |
| 01:31.43 | sharf224 | but how do I have it trigger at the same time as the behavior? |
| 01:31.53 | A1win | what do you mean? |
| 01:32.05 | A1win | oh, there's a field in the behavior |
| 01:32.14 | A1win | Buff type behavior |
| 01:32.37 | A1win | Combat: Damage Response - Handled |
| 01:33.03 | A1win | set Combat: Damage Response - Chance to the chance at which you want damage to "miss" |
| 01:33.03 | sharf224 | oh |
| 01:33.18 | sharf224 | under the behavior |
| 01:33.19 | A1win | and set Combat: Damage Response - Modify Fraction to 0 |
| 01:33.23 | sharf224 | I set it to handled by the dumy? |
| 01:33.27 | A1win | yeah |
| 01:33.37 | sharf224 | ok that might do what I want....hmmm |
| 01:33.41 | sharf224 | I'll have to check it |
| 01:34.59 | sharf224 | so the dummy effect doesn't actually do anything right? |
| 01:35.11 | A1win | yeah, it's just to catch the event of the effect being used |
| 01:35.24 | A1win | so that you can display the text |
| 01:35.26 | sharf224 | mmk |
| 01:36.30 | Ahli | how do movement speed effects behave? |
| 01:36.39 | Ahli | like max and min speed? |
| 01:36.44 | Ahli | when you use multiple on a unit |
| 01:37.25 | sharf224 | you mean if multiple effects apply max speed of 160 or something? |
| 01:37.39 | ckSynergy | probably lowest max, and highest min |
| 01:37.54 | sharf224 | yeah |
| 01:37.58 | sharf224 | I'd assume s |
| 01:38.02 | sharf224 | so* |
| 01:39.37 | sharf224 | ok so, I got the trigger to detect the event but it doesn't get the unit... |
| 01:39.39 | Ahli | so, I need to test |
| 01:40.56 | sharf224 | event "any player uses Evasion (dummy)" |
| 01:41.07 | sharf224 | the action is set to do a text tag at unit |
| 01:41.22 | sharf224 | tried at triggering unit, errors. I would ideally like to put it on the attacker |
| 01:41.25 | ckSynergy | bleh |
| 01:41.29 | ckSynergy | I use data evasion |
| 01:42.14 | sharf224 | ? |
| 01:42.34 | sharf224 | I have a behavior buff that does evasion |
| 01:45.10 | sharf224 | Also, how could I add an icon to a unit's uhm...what ever area, where all t's stats are |
| 01:47.55 | Ahli | put the icon into its name's string |
| 01:47.56 | Ahli | ? |
| 01:48.12 | Ahli | or what is t's? |
| 01:48.22 | Ahli | attributes? |
| 01:49.06 | Vail | i have retunred |
| 01:49.54 | sharf224 | I meant it's* |
| 01:50.08 | sharf224 | Like wc3 heroes had the primary attribute icon |
| 01:51.33 | sharf224 | alright got the text tag working...but on the triggering unit...not the attacker...hmm |
| 01:52.14 | Ahli | highest speed values are used... data ID doesn't matter, alignment doesn't matter, behavior order on unit doesn't matter, if behavior got multiple behaviors altering that |
| 01:53.34 | sharf224 | ok either I am INCREDIBLY unlucky...or that's not working |
| 01:54.57 | sharf224 | any ideas why this doesn't work? or at least, I don't see it? Text Tag - Create a text tag with the text "Dodge!" for (All players), using a font size of 24, at (Position of (Last unit that attacked (Triggering Effect Unit(Caster)))) and height offset 1.0, initially Visible, and fog of war enforcement set to False |
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| 01:58.40 | Vail | hello Parthon |
| 02:01.32 | JademusSreg | sharf, pastebin the whole trigger. |
| 02:02.10 | sharf224 | http://pastebin.com/iFeCQwcB |
| 02:04.51 | JademusSreg | I wonder if Caster is valid in the context, but would need input from someone who has experience with effect events. |
| 02:05.15 | JademusSreg | Also, attacked is probably not valid in the context. |
| 02:05.35 | sharf224 | well |
| 02:05.40 | JademusSreg | Again, I've not worked with triggers from effects. |
| 02:05.55 | sharf224 | triggering unit caster |
| 02:06.03 | sharf224 | puts the text above the unit with the behavior |
| 02:06.07 | sharf224 | and functions perfect |
| 02:06.17 | sharf224 | I just want it over the unit that actually missed |
| 02:06.33 | JademusSreg | Add a text message that prints if those values are null to debug. |
| 02:06.39 | sharf224 | so I hoped last attacker would work |
| 02:07.30 | JademusSreg | When ever in doubt, add debug messages. |
| 02:08.10 | sharf224 | yeah I normally would be I can't figure out how to |
| 02:09.43 | sharf224 | how do I get last unit etc. in the debug message? |
| 02:11.01 | JademusSreg | Well, you could just get the unit type name and print that. |
| 02:11.24 | sharf224 | how? |
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| 02:14.14 | A1win | err... in an expression, 100 * ~A~ / ~B~ is calculated as (100 * ~A~) / B |
| 02:14.33 | JademusSreg | Something like "Evasion: SourceUnit ["+UnitTypeGetName(UnitGetType(blahblah))+"] LastAttacker ["+UnitUnitTypeGetName(UnitGetType(bluhbluh))+"]" |
| 02:14.44 | A1win | if I do 100 * (~A~ / ~B~), my value suddenly doesn't overflow at high values |
| 02:15.23 | sharf224 | well I "got" a debug message but nothing is coming up |
| 02:15.41 | A1win | also, the ship's warp drive can now be charged :o |
| 02:15.47 | A1win | it doesn't do anything yet, though |
| 02:16.01 | A1win | other than display the charge percentage on the ship list |
| 02:16.03 | JademusSreg | If no message appears at all, the event isn't firing. |
| 02:16.13 | sharf224 | except |
| 02:16.15 | sharf224 | it is |
| 02:16.17 | A1win | and operating consoles in the Warp Core increases its recharge rate |
| 02:16.20 | sharf224 | cause it is displaying the text ta |
| 02:16.23 | sharf224 | just not the debug text |
| 02:16.33 | sharf224 | guess my debug is wrong? |
| 02:16.47 | JademusSreg | Pastebin to the rescue. |
| 02:17.13 | sharf224 | it's exactly the same as before except I added this action |
| 02:17.15 | sharf224 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.53 | JademusSreg | The message should have more to it, so you know it is printing. |
| 02:18.17 | sharf224 | lol...how do I do that? |
| 02:18.19 | JademusSreg | Combine text. |
| 02:18.53 | A1win | you can't get the unit that attacked with the trigger, I think |
| 02:19.05 | JademusSreg | That's what I figured. |
| 02:19.24 | A1win | it's a combat response from a behavior on the unit that was attacked |
| 02:19.45 | A1win | if you need the attacker, then it might need to be set in some other way |
| 02:19.59 | JademusSreg | But learning to employ debug messages is useful, so while I expect it to return null text, gotta be rigorous. |
| 02:20.28 | A1win | expressions are nice with text too |
| 02:20.48 | A1win | combine text is cumbersome |
| 02:21.06 | JademusSreg | Yes. Feel free to be the sherpa here. =D |
| 02:22.07 | sharf224 | yes it is returning null |
| 02:22.10 | A1win | I think I'll catch some sleep x.x |
| 02:22.17 | sharf224 | and if you can't get the unit that attacked wit ha trigger |
| 02:22.19 | A1win | hmm |
| 02:22.26 | JademusSreg | So it's not valid in the context of an effect event. |
| 02:22.28 | sharf224 | why is last attacker of unit in there? |
| 02:22.37 | A1win | maybe you can make the effect target the unit that attacked |
| 02:22.45 | JademusSreg | It's an event response to the attack events. |
| 02:23.25 | JademusSreg | Also, actors can create text tags. So triggers aren't even necessary here. =D |
| 02:23.27 | sharf224 | but |
| 02:23.45 | sharf224 | triggering unit(caster) is something |
| 02:23.45 | A1win | JademusSreg, yeah, but still can't get the attacker |
| 02:23.50 | sharf224 | and it recognizes that |
| 02:23.54 | A1win | sharf224, it won't work |
| 02:24.05 | A1win | yeah, that is the unit that was attacked |
| 02:24.11 | A1win | but you can't get the unit that attacked |
| 02:24.17 | sharf224 | so then how come, you can't get the last attacker of something recognized? |
| 02:24.23 | A1win | because it isn't referenced anywhere in that effect chain |
| 02:24.30 | sharf224 | why not though? lol seems like it should work |
| 02:24.46 | A1win | the effect is created by the unit that was attacked, because the behavior is on that unit |
| 02:24.47 | sharf224 | what do you mean? |
| 02:25.04 | JademusSreg | I wonder if it was grey when you selected it in the GUI parameter options. |
| 02:25.24 | A1win | Triggering Effect Unit is not grey, you can get the caster with it |
| 02:25.36 | A1win | and the target, etc... but in this case, the attacking unit is none of those |
| 02:26.01 | Parthon | hi Vail! |
| 02:26.31 | Vail | well atleat i got a hello |
| 02:26.37 | A1win | if there is a way to make damage response effect target the unit that did the damage, then you can use Triggering Effect Unit (Target) to get the attacker, but I'm not sure if that's possible |
| 02:28.49 | A1win | can't think of how to solve that D: |
| 02:29.17 | sharf224 | but wait |
| 02:29.33 | A1win | if the damage response behavior was on the attacker, it'd be easy, but if it needs to be a buff on the defender, it gets tricky... |
| 02:29.57 | sharf224 | last attacker isn't grey, and neither is effect triggering unit |
| 02:30.18 | sharf224 | it's a levelable evasion skill |
| 02:30.22 | A1win | well, I'd assume the last attacker is not yet set, because the damage has not het happened |
| 02:30.28 | A1win | *yet |
| 02:30.29 | sharf224 | if it could work in wc3 I have to imagine there is some way to do it in sc2 |
| 02:30.32 | A1win | or something as weird |
| 02:30.37 | JademusSreg | Dodged. The unit is dodging. Who needs an attacker? |
| 02:30.41 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 02:30.45 | A1win | there probably is |
| 02:30.53 | sharf224 | wouldn't it just put it on the unit that last successfuly attacked then? |
| 02:30.54 | sharf224 | lol |
| 02:31.15 | sharf224 | because on wc3 if the unit attacks and misses it says miss lol |
| 02:31.18 | sharf224 | I like that |
| 02:31.20 | A1win | I've never used the "last attacker" function, duno how it works |
| 02:31.26 | JademusSreg | Missed makes sense on an attacker. |
| 02:31.29 | sharf224 | plus it's something challenging to figure out, that's how I'm gonna learn |
| 02:31.41 | JademusSreg | Dodged makes sense on an attacked unit. |
| 02:31.57 | sharf224 | says |
| 02:31.58 | sharf224 | Returns the unit who last attacked the specified unit. |
| 02:32.03 | Taintedwisp | Shart whats the problem |
| 02:32.19 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 02:32.20 | sharf224 | mah name is not shart! lol |
| 02:32.28 | sharf224 | nor is it snarf |
| 02:32.29 | JademusSreg | Splendid. |
| 02:32.31 | A1win | sharf224, that is an AI Advanced function |
| 02:32.37 | A1win | it's AI related |
| 02:32.42 | A1win | not a generic function |
| 02:33.08 | sharf224 | wis |
| 02:33.12 | sharf224 | wsip* |
| 02:33.16 | sharf224 | ARGH |
| 02:33.18 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 02:33.29 | sharf224 | fml |
| 02:33.45 | sharf224 | wisp* |
| 02:33.50 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 02:33.57 | JademusSreg | Dodged doesn't make sense on the attacker, srsly. |
| 02:33.59 | Taintedwisp | Only here to troll |
| 02:34.00 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 02:34.03 | sharf224 | my problem is, I have a buff that allows the unit to dodge damage, evasion |
| 02:34.18 | A1win | what's Origin Unit in effects? |
| 02:34.25 | Vail | jademus has a point |
| 02:34.34 | A1win | yeah, it doesn't |
| 02:34.38 | sharf224 | I want text to appear over the unit that attacked and caused the effect to trigger |
| 02:34.50 | sharf224 | I'm not trying to put dodged over the attack! |
| 02:34.55 | sharf224 | +er |
| 02:34.56 | JademusSreg | Missed is the word you're looking for, in that case. |
| 02:35.01 | sharf224 | yes it is |
| 02:35.03 | sharf224 | I said that |
| 02:35.06 | A1win | huh? |
| 02:35.12 | A1win | why do you need to get the attacker unit then? |
| 02:35.18 | JademusSreg | The pastebin says dodged. |
| 02:35.21 | Vail | i would use a text actor i fyou can |
| 02:35.32 | A1win | Vail, the text is not the problem |
| 02:35.36 | sharf224 | because I put it on the dodger, because that's all I could figure out right now |
| 02:35.57 | JademusSreg | Vail, I said the same. |
| 02:35.59 | sharf224 | [21:31] <sharf224> because on wc3 if the unit attacks and misses it says miss lol |
| 02:36.00 | sharf224 | :P |
| 02:36.00 | A1win | oh, nvm |
| 02:36.04 | Taintedwisp | Yo Vail new problem, It froze and didnt like this twice http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Screenshot2013-02-2321_20_11_zpsb10290fc.jpg, if you switch heroes its fine, but it is doing that occasionally now |
| 02:37.06 | Vail | yeah im having to redo how the hero select works with the cutscene |
| 02:37.10 | A1win | umm, how would you make a Thorns effect? like take damage when a unit is attacked |
| 02:37.24 | A1win | you can get the attacker the same way here |
| 02:37.31 | JademusSreg | Buff Damage Response. |
| 02:37.40 | A1win | and how do you target the attacker? |
| 02:37.42 | Vail | behavior damage respone attacker -> damage effect |
| 02:37.54 | A1win | but the buff is on the defender |
| 02:38.00 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 02:38.15 | sharf224 | oh so wait |
| 02:38.24 | sharf224 | instead of having me take 0 damage I make them do 0 |
| 02:38.26 | JademusSreg | Have the damage response on the evasion apply a dummy effect to the attacker. |
| 02:38.49 | JademusSreg | No, that would be bad, potentially. |
| 02:39.08 | A1win | but how do you make it apply it on the attacker :P |
| 02:39.13 | A1win | that's the question |
| 02:39.14 | JademusSreg | Even if it works, it cvould have unintended side effects, |
| 02:39.57 | JademusSreg | A1, damage response on attacker. It's magic. |
| 02:40.17 | A1win | ._o |
| 02:40.28 | A1win | the buff still is on the defender |
| 02:40.29 | sharf224 | I'm lost now lol |
| 02:40.33 | A1win | I don't get it either ;D |
| 02:40.38 | JademusSreg | I used them in my xel'naga AI boss demo. |
| 02:40.45 | JademusSreg | To make units counter attack. |
| 02:40.50 | sharf224 | how do I apply the dumy effect to the attacker? |
| 02:41.33 | JademusSreg | The evasion buff, damage responnse, on attacker, choose an effect. |
| 02:41.37 | Vail | with the buff on the defender and the damage response set to attacker the unit that attacks the buffed unit will be the target of the damage response effect |
| 02:41.41 | A1win | "on attacker"? |
| 02:42.03 | sharf224 | I have it on attacker |
| 02:42.09 | sharf224 | but where do I set the effect, handled? |
| 02:42.34 | A1win | doesn't Combat: Damage Response: Location mean that when *this* unit is Attacker or Defender, it does the response? |
| 02:42.58 | sharf224 | there is a field to determine where stuff is handled, the defender, or attacker |
| 02:43.30 | A1win | yes... but I still assume it only affects the unit the buff is on |
| 02:43.48 | sharf224 | we'll find out lol |
| 02:43.50 | A1win | and I think I've tested that it does, or am I missing something? x_X |
| 02:43.53 | JademusSreg | I will save myself the trouble of explaining. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/BossXelNagaAI.SC2Map |
| 02:44.15 | JademusSreg | Attacking either shield drones or the shield will trigger counter attacks. |
| 02:45.52 | A1win | ._o |
| 02:46.05 | A1win | there is nothing that indicates the effect is done on the attacker |
| 02:46.16 | A1win | does it simply just always do it on the attacker? |
| 02:47.02 | sharf224 | does it have to do with the target filters? |
| 02:47.18 | JademusSreg | When in doubt, Ctrl 3 |
| 02:47.21 | A1win | err, it doesn't even target the attacker, that's a search area damage |
| 02:49.06 | JademusSreg | The counter marker behavior is on the units. When the units are damaged, the buff's damage response applies an effect to mark the attacker with a behavior to make them valid targets for the counter attack. |
| 02:49.32 | JademusSreg | Ya know, simple. =D |
| 02:49.38 | A1win | xF |
| 02:49.46 | sharf224 | Ion Discharge Protocol? |
| 02:49.50 | sharf224 | is the buff? |
| 02:49.55 | A1win | no, that one is an area damage effect |
| 02:50.01 | JademusSreg | Behaviors. |
| 02:50.11 | JademusSreg | On the units that cause counter attacks. |
| 02:50.14 | A1win | I think the behavior ones simply have their target set as "Target", and that's enough |
| 02:50.25 | JademusSreg | The shield drones and shield. |
| 02:50.33 | A1win | so make a dummy effect that can target something |
| 02:50.51 | A1win | "Set" probably won't work in this case |
| 02:51.04 | sharf224 | shield drones has 2 behaviors only 1 has a damage response |
| 02:51.13 | A1win | it's not the shield drone |
| 02:51.21 | JademusSreg | And yeah, the Protocols are the ones with the damage responses, |
| 02:51.41 | A1win | just change the type of your dummy ability to something else, maybe Apply Behavior and set behavior to none |
| 02:51.45 | JademusSreg | Convergence and Vengeance. |
| 02:51.58 | A1win | that way the damage response creates an effect that targets the attacker |
| 02:52.08 | JademusSreg | Those Protocols apply their corresponding targets via their damage responses. |
| 02:52.15 | A1win | then you can use Triggering Effect Unit (Target) in triggers, or in actor events somehow |
| 02:53.23 | A1win | *dummy effect |
| 02:53.30 | A1win | (not ability) |
| 02:54.29 | sharf224 | that seems to have done it A1 |
| 02:54.36 | sharf224 | I still say my method should work lol |
| 02:55.14 | A1win | what method? |
| 02:55.40 | A1win | your method used an AI function that isn't intended to be used in a situation like that |
| 02:55.56 | A1win | if you're not dealing with AI, don't use the functions labeled under AI |
| 02:56.13 | sharf224 | logically though, "unit that last attacked (unit)" should provide a value, since unit is defined |
| 02:56.23 | sharf224 | it wasn't labled under au |
| 02:56.24 | sharf224 | ai* |
| 02:56.26 | A1win | it is |
| 02:56.29 | sharf224 | it was labeled under units |
| 02:56.31 | A1win | AI Advanced |
| 02:56.47 | A1win | it's a Unit type function, but its label is AI Advanced |
| 02:56.49 | sharf224 | oh I see now |
| 02:57.06 | sharf224 | it's deceiving :P |
| 02:58.31 | A1win | attacking is not a precise definition anyway |
| 02:58.53 | A1win | what is attacking? using attack ability? doing damage? doing damage or applying a negative debuff? and so on |
| 02:58.57 | sharf224 | There is such a thing as TOO complicated lol |
| 02:59.36 | A1win | welcome to the SC2 editor ;p |
| 03:00.17 | sharf224 | as cool as it is (same goes for the wc3 editor), the sc1 editor is still my favorite |
| 03:00.22 | JademusSreg | As Uncle Ben said, with great power comes great complexity. |
| 03:00.36 | sharf224 | nothing quite as much fun as pushing the limits |
| 03:00.43 | A1win | ;X |
| 03:01.03 | A1win | except pushing the limits with a more complicated engine ;D |
| 03:01.10 | A1win | just takes longer to get to that point |
| 03:01.18 | sharf224 | exactly |
| 03:01.31 | sharf224 | the limits are so far away, if I wanted to get that far I'd just make my own engine |
| 03:01.46 | A1win | nah they aren't that far :x |
| 03:01.51 | sharf224 | like..making an fps is cool... |
| 03:02.02 | sharf224 | but I'd just make my own fps engine, would be better |
| 03:02.20 | A1win | making new kinds of game modes is still WAY easier with SC2 editor than by making your own game, even on an existing engine |
| 03:02.54 | A1win | err, that didn't make any sense |
| 03:03.07 | A1win | SC2 is an existing engine so... |
| 03:03.08 | sharf224 | it made SOME sense lol |
| 03:03.15 | sharf224 | so is unreal lol |
| 03:03.20 | sharf224 | or...unity |
| 03:03.22 | sharf224 | or...anything |
| 03:03.31 | JademusSreg | Do all of it. |
| 03:03.41 | A1win | but compared to the FPS engines available, making your own game is much easier with SC2 editor than with the editors of those FPS engines |
| 03:04.13 | sharf224 | easier how? lol |
| 03:04.29 | sharf224 | I would rather code my own stuff then try to work with this engine to accomplish that |
| 03:04.29 | A1win | a lot of the work is already done for you by blizzard |
| 03:04.50 | A1win | more than with those FPS engines |
| 03:05.01 | A1win | but limits are also more strict |
| 03:05.05 | sharf224 | I could make a scrolling screen shooter from scratch much faster than I could make a sc2 mod for it |
| 03:05.33 | A1win | that's because you don't know the SC2 editor that well yet o: |
| 03:05.57 | A1win | (and a scrolling screen shooter would suck on SC2 because of the control lag, that's one of the limits) |
| 03:05.58 | sharf224 | I'm fairly certain that in a year I will still feel that way :P |
| 03:06.13 | sharf224 | <- former game dev |
| 03:08.26 | sharf224 | ok, so back to my other question :P any ideas on putting an icon in the unit stats? Without editing the ui? |
| 03:08.49 | A1win | edit the UI without editing the UI? |
| 03:08.57 | A1win | :x |
| 03:08.58 | sharf224 | well |
| 03:09.01 | sharf224 | let me put it this way |
| 03:09.18 | sharf224 | I have attributes, and I want a way to depict which one is the primary one |
| 03:09.34 | sharf224 | and if I make the text too long, by prefixing primary, it gets cut off |
| 03:10.01 | A1win | there is a stats UI? |
| 03:10.23 | Triceron | use color to denote? |
| 03:10.26 | A1win | well, you can put icons into text |
| 03:10.30 | sharf224 | applying veterancy adds the level bar |
| 03:10.37 | sharf224 | adding attributes tosses in those names/vlues |
| 03:10.42 | A1win | <img val="imagefile" /> |
| 03:10.46 | sharf224 | bingo! |
| 03:10.51 | sharf224 | how do I ut the icon in? |
| 03:11.05 | sharf224 | lol too fast for me |
| 03:11.06 | A1win | <img val="imagefile" height="16" width="16" alignment="absolutemiddle" /> |
| 03:11.40 | sharf224 | it's kind of cool how close to html that is |
| 03:14.36 | sharf224 | well that didn't work |
| 03:15.10 | A1win | what did you set as the file? |
| 03:15.18 | sharf224 | Assets\Textures\btn-ability-terran-ultrasonicpulse.dds |
| 03:15.27 | A1win | try / |
| 03:16.05 | A1win | not sure if that works in all the default UI fields, but I'd think so |
| 03:16.53 | A1win | unless it's showing the <img ... as an actual text in it |
| 03:17.03 | A1win | otherwise it should work |
| 03:17.06 | sharf224 | no it's just ignoring it |
| 03:17.15 | sharf224 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.33 | A1win | or if the field height is not high enough |
| 03:17.49 | A1win | try with smaller height * width |
| 03:18.26 | A1win | but yeah I haven't tried putting icons into the default UI text fields, it might just not work at all |
| 03:19.04 | sharf224 | you'd think giving the attribute an icon it would show it there... |
| 03:19.22 | A1win | anyway, sleep time -> |
| 03:19.23 | sharf224 | nope |
| 03:19.27 | sharf224 | img doesn't seem to work |
| 03:19.52 | sharf224 | lol well thanks man |
| 03:40.09 | Kubi | YOYOYO |
| 03:40.10 | Kubi | Shit |
| 03:40.12 | Kubi | its nooblark |
| 03:40.13 | Kubi | to noob |
| 03:48.55 | *** join/#sc2mapster Shawn|Rawr (~chatzilla@ip70-170-21-119.lv.lv.cox.net) |
| 03:50.06 | Shawn|Rawr | Guys it was so cold outside |
| 03:50.10 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm so cold |
| 03:51.13 | Shawn|Rawr | And then the job interview I went to was outside and I couldnt answer her questions like I should have because all I could think about was 'fuck i'm cold' |
| 04:02.33 | Taintedwisp | So vail you getting it to work? |
| 04:05.06 | Taintedwisp | There Vail I just updated the dropbox file, MAJOR update |
| 04:08.23 | Dogmai | Im awake |
| 04:08.30 | Taintedwisp | GO BACK TO SLEEP |
| 04:08.36 | Dogmai | Its midday |
| 04:08.38 | Dogmai | after 12 |
| 04:08.39 | Taintedwisp | Awake? its like 3 pm over there -_- |
| 04:08.40 | Dogmai | -_- |
| 04:08.40 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 04:08.45 | Dogmai | 12 |
| 04:08.50 | Taintedwisp | ah |
| 04:08.54 | Dogmai | im not on the shitty side of australia |
| 04:08.58 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 04:09.03 | Taintedwisp | your pretty shitty too though |
| 04:09.04 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 04:09.28 | Dogmai | Just cause I got brown skin doesn't mean I am shitty |
| 04:09.33 | Dogmai | My ass is white o_O |
| 04:11.06 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 04:11.13 | Taintedwisp | <---- Whiter then casper |
| 04:11.22 | Taintedwisp | nah |
| 04:11.32 | Taintedwisp | I have a natural tan, but if I get tan I get real dark |
| 04:14.20 | Kubi | Yeah darkei |
| 04:14.23 | Kubi | Hows that watermeleon |
| 04:21.27 | Taintedwisp | kubi quit being racist = |
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| 04:21.35 | Kubi | make me |
| 04:21.51 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | hey have an issue i changed my language to korean and now it wont switch back to english |
| 04:21.59 | Taintedwisp | slaps kubi |
| 04:22.03 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | plus its downloading something |
| 04:22.08 | Taintedwisp | porn... |
| 04:23.05 | Taintedwisp | GOT DAMN POONTANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 04:41.39 | Shawn|Rawr | Listen Tainted, I gotta come clean. I'm not gay. |
| 04:54.32 | Shawn|Rawr | JademusSreg_Rum Are you not here? |
| 05:01.04 | Taintedwisp | NOOO SHAWN!!!! |
| 05:01.18 | Taintedwisp | you cant keep lying to yourself |
| 05:08.53 | Otixa | DUCKY OF AWESOME |
| 05:39.07 | Shawn|Rawr | Apparently this chat gets very sparse when Jade isnt around |
| 05:57.34 | *** join/#sc2mapster iMisu (~iMisu@173-166-230-6-sacramento.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 06:09.13 | Taintedwisp | fuck... |
| 06:20.30 | iMisu | YOU |
| 07:00.52 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 07:01.01 | Taintedwisp | imisu be hating. |
| 07:01.17 | iMisu | tainted be retarded |
| 07:01.43 | iMisu | dubstep IS MUSIC |
| 07:01.45 | iMisu | gtfo |
| 07:01.51 | Taintedwisp | dubstep is 4 fags.... |
| 07:03.21 | Taintedwisp | Hey taz check this out, I was messing with Regional lighting. |
| 07:03.35 | Taintedwisp | http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain036_zpsc0ec3a50.jpg |
| 07:16.43 | Kubi | TaintedWisp is for bags |
| 07:16.45 | Kubi | fags |
| 07:20.51 | motive | TaintedWisp is for douchebags? |
| 07:20.53 | motive | Scallywags? |
| 07:21.00 | motive | Certainly not Mr. Moneybags? |
| 07:21.08 | motive | And he never uses hashtags.... |
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| 07:28.41 | Shawn|Rawr | ~purl what is taintedwisp |
| 07:28.41 | purl | it has been said that taintedwisp is a niggerjew |
| 07:28.47 | Shawn|Rawr | Nice |
| 07:31.11 | Shawn|Rawr | ~purl what is dubstep |
| 07:31.11 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Shawn|Rawr |
| 07:31.19 | Dogmai | ffs |
| 07:31.24 | Dogmai | tofu has a black screen in tutorial mode |
| 07:31.25 | Dogmai | i dont know why |
| 07:31.48 | Shawn|Rawr | You left the lens cap on? |
| 07:34.16 | motive | You ate the tofu? |
| 07:34.19 | motive | That would also explain it. |
| 07:34.25 | motive | I mean if the camera's in your stomach, there's no light. |
| 07:35.25 | Dogmai | =\ |
| 07:35.30 | Dogmai | I don't know why ... |
| 07:35.40 | Dogmai | The world is shown |
| 07:35.46 | Dogmai | You can move your hero on the minimap etc |
| 07:35.49 | Dogmai | But theres a black screen |
| 07:35.59 | Dogmai | Which means, it is probably a dialog fade image |
| 07:36.04 | Dogmai | But I have disabled them all -_- |
| 07:36.17 | motive | Taintedwisp did it. |
| 07:36.20 | motive | ~purl what is motive |
| 07:36.20 | purl | motive: what are you talking about? |
| 07:36.23 | motive | excellent |
| 07:44.32 | Dogmai | oh ffs |
| 07:45.01 | Dogmai | ~purl motive is a small little girl that misses Dogmai more and more everyday |
| 07:45.01 | purl | Dogmai: okay |
| 07:45.06 | Dogmai | there you go |
| 07:48.14 | motive | !purl what is dogmai |
| 07:48.17 | motive | ~purl what is dogmai |
| 07:48.17 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, dogmai is a jew |
| 07:48.20 | motive | meh. |
| 07:48.22 | motive | tame |
| 07:48.28 | motive | ~purl motive is an evitom. |
| 07:48.28 | purl | ...but motive is already something else... |
| 07:48.34 | motive | WELL FORGET IT |
| 07:48.40 | Dogmai | ~who is motive |
| 07:48.40 | purl | it has been said that motive is a small little girl that misses Dogmai more and more everyday |
| 07:48.45 | Dogmai | trololol |
| 07:48.49 | Dogmai | epic |
| 07:49.07 | Shawn|Rawr | You have to say "purl forget motive" |
| 07:49.15 | Shawn|Rawr | Then you can redo it |
| 07:49.29 | motive | ~purl forget motive |
| 07:49.30 | purl | motive: i forgot motive |
| 07:49.32 | motive | ~purl motive is an evitom. |
| 07:49.32 | purl | okay, motive |
| 07:49.37 | motive | thanks purl, you dick |
| 07:49.40 | motive | ~purl purl is a dick |
| 07:49.40 | purl | motive: please, watch your language. |
| 07:49.44 | motive | well fuck you too |
| 07:52.51 | Dogmai | omfg |
| 07:52.53 | Dogmai | i found it |
| 07:52.57 | Dogmai | How fucken stupid is this |
| 07:53.00 | Dogmai | Cinematic mode |
| 07:53.07 | Dogmai | If you hide/stop cinematic mode |
| 07:53.14 | Dogmai | After you fade out |
| 07:53.16 | Dogmai | It stays black |
| 07:53.24 | Dogmai | You need to fade back in to see |
| 08:03.00 | twodie | game of the year |
| 08:03.01 | twodie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uWrXA3nwU4 |
| 08:21.34 | twodie | Vail here? |
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| 08:54.57 | *** join/#sc2mapster MasterWrath (a9e91a5e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.169.233.26.94) |
| 08:55.03 | MasterWrath | Laaaaadies. |
| 08:55.41 | MasterWrath | Anybody here? |
| 08:59.10 | twodie | Hey Gay! |
| 08:59.44 | MasterWrath | ... |
| 08:59.57 | MasterWrath | I'm actually gay. |
| 09:02.08 | Taintedwisp | i hate faggots. |
| 09:02.25 | Taintedwisp | twodie vail prob went to bed a few hours ago hah |
| 09:02.30 | Taintedwisp | hate hate hate |
| 09:02.55 | twodie | yeah, i guessed so. Still his help no longer required! |
| 09:03.04 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 09:03.11 | MasterWrath | So |
| 09:03.27 | MasterWrath | How's it skankin'? |
| 09:03.53 | Taintedwisp | Long. |
| 09:04.01 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 09:04.07 | MasterWrath | I have... |
| 09:04.09 | MasterWrath | Two |
| 09:04.11 | MasterWrath | Abilities left |
| 09:04.13 | MasterWrath | For this hero |
| 09:04.32 | MasterWrath | You have no idea how complicated these abilities are -_- |
| 09:04.40 | MasterWrath | ~10 effects per ability |
| 09:04.41 | MasterWrath | Ugggh |
| 09:04.57 | ckSynergy | only 10? |
| 09:05.14 | MasterWrath | lol |
| 09:05.25 | MasterWrath | 10 effects, 2 behaviors, 3 validators generally |
| 09:05.56 | ckSynergy | I see your 10e, 2b, 3v and raise you 20e, 9b, 12v and a requirement |
| 09:06.32 | MasterWrath | lol |
| 09:06.35 | MasterWrath | That is a lot |
| 09:06.39 | MasterWrath | I find myself skeptical |
| 09:07.36 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 09:07.46 | ckSynergy | Well I dont exactly need your approval or not for my abilities |
| 09:08.09 | MasterWrath | Huh? I'm not doubting your capabilities |
| 09:08.18 | MasterWrath | I just can't believe such a complicated ability till I see it XD |
| 09:08.32 | ckSynergy | *sighs* let me open the mod |
| 09:08.46 | ckSynergy | I'll get you actual #s lol |
| 09:08.50 | MasterWrath | Okay haha |
| 09:08.58 | MasterWrath | You'll have to tell me what it does as well :P |
| 09:10.23 | ckSynergy | ok, 19 effects, 2 behaviors, 6 validators |
| 09:10.29 | MasterWrath | :S |
| 09:11.31 | ckSynergy | and thats for a simple ability that fires off a number of rounds at target unit, and it changes depending on the mode the firing unit is in |
| 09:11.41 | MasterWrath | Hmm. |
| 09:11.51 | MasterWrath | Why not simply have different abilities with requirements for different modes? |
| 09:12.06 | ckSynergy | Because its one ability :) |
| 09:12.20 | MasterWrath | Yes, but you can overlap them on the command card and make them look exactly the same. :| |
| 09:12.21 | MasterWrath | lol |
| 09:12.30 | MasterWrath | I guess your way could be more convenient. |
| 09:12.49 | ckSynergy | And then what? trigger the learning? |
| 09:12.58 | ckSynergy | have multiple requirements? |
| 09:13.03 | ckSynergy | and multiple buttons? |
| 09:13.11 | MasterWrath | Only have the learning for one ability |
| 09:13.13 | ckSynergy | you way sounds more inconvenient |
| 09:13.15 | MasterWrath | But the rest linked to it by requirement |
| 09:13.24 | MasterWrath | So if you learn the one the others become learned |
| 09:13.40 | ckSynergy | I think I'll just stick to my already working ability lol |
| 09:13.49 | MasterWrath | Hahaha just a different thought process |
| 09:13.55 | MasterWrath | Anyways, I have had to make 10 abilities |
| 09:14.00 | ckSynergy | Yea, my thought processes is less is more |
| 09:14.07 | MasterWrath | 2 left after I solve some issues |
| 09:14.14 | ckSynergy | and everything has its place |
| 09:14.24 | ckSynergy | what issues |
| 09:15.28 | ckSynergy | hmmm? |
| 09:15.31 | MasterWrath | A damage response that is not firing properly |
| 09:16.12 | MasterWrath | So, the abilities |
| 09:16.15 | MasterWrath | *ability |
| 09:16.29 | MasterWrath | Does damage, then applies a behavior (stacks up to 5) |
| 09:16.44 | MasterWrath | And the behavior needs to modify the damage dealt by the ability |
| 09:16.48 | MasterWrath | By 25 for each stack |
| 09:17.05 | MasterWrath | So first use does 25 then applies a stack, then 50 and two stacks, then 75 and three stacks |
| 09:17.56 | ckSynergy | are the stacks addative or multiplicative? |
| 09:18.05 | ckSynergy | i.e. +1, +1, +1, +1 etc |
| 09:18.12 | ckSynergy | or +1, +2, +3, +4 etc |
| 09:19.35 | MasterWrath | I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 09:19.40 | MasterWrath | The stack of any behavior is addative, right? |
| 09:20.05 | MasterWrath | I'm just applying 1 each time the ability is used. |
| 09:20.34 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 09:20.38 | ckSynergy | that answers my question |
| 09:20.49 | ckSynergy | so whats the issue? |
| 09:20.57 | ckSynergy | how is it not firing properly? |
| 09:21.17 | MasterWrath | I have the chance at 1, the kind at Spell only, the location at Attacker |
| 09:21.28 | MasterWrath | And the modify amount at 25 |
| 09:21.34 | MasterWrath | But it won't fire. |
| 09:22.08 | ckSynergy | yea, modify amounts dont work for that location |
| 09:22.16 | MasterWrath | ... Lame. |
| 09:22.20 | ckSynergy | not really |
| 09:22.31 | ckSynergy | You need to use the modify fraction field |
| 09:22.38 | ckSynergy | erm |
| 09:22.38 | MasterWrath | That's multiplicative, though. |
| 09:22.41 | ckSynergy | let me rephrase |
| 09:22.50 | MasterWrath | I don't want it to be 1 * 1.25 * 1.25 * ... |
| 09:23.01 | ckSynergy | Combat: Damage Dealt Fraction +(0|0|0|0) |
| 09:23.17 | ckSynergy | It's addative AFAIK |
| 09:23.47 | ckSynergy | and if all else fails, use an attribute behavior |
| 09:23.55 | MasterWrath | That wouldn't just effect this ability, though |
| 09:24.01 | MasterWrath | *affect |
| 09:24.07 | ckSynergy | Though those typically need a requirement to disable them when the unit doesnt have the controlling behavior |
| 09:24.14 | MasterWrath | It has to be just this ability. |
| 09:25.06 | ckSynergy | Is this a critical strike ability or something? |
| 09:25.18 | MasterWrath | Nah, it's just a very complicated ability. |
| 09:25.34 | MasterWrath | The description is |
| 09:25.47 | MasterWrath | Description: Manfred attacks the target dealing 25 damage and giving him a stack of Frenzy. Frenzy increases the damage of Claw by 25. Frenzy can stack up to 5 times. Empowered - Consumes all stacks of Frenzy dealing 75 damage per stack. |
| 09:25.59 | MasterWrath | Empowered is a behavior that he gets from other abilities |
| 09:26.17 | MasterWrath | Which wasn't what I was having an issue with |
| 09:26.27 | MasterWrath | It's the "Frenzy increases the damage of Claw by 25." |
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| 09:26.30 | ckSynergy | simple enough |
| 09:26.41 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 09:26.52 | ckSynergy | so you have a base behavior, lets say "frenzyable" |
| 09:26.56 | MasterWrath | A single behavior affecting the damage of a single ability by a specific amount * the number of stacks. |
| 09:26.59 | twodie | ZE ZOLDEN |
| 09:27.02 | ckSynergy | that has the combat chance of 1 and runs an effect |
| 09:27.14 | ckSynergy | the effect applied a behavior "frenzied" |
| 09:27.27 | Zolden | рун |
| 09:27.30 | Zolden | hqy |
| 09:27.33 | Zolden | hey |
| 09:27.56 | ckSynergy | frenzied behavior has a max stack count of 5, and the Combat: Damage Dealt (Scaled) +(0|0|0|0) field set to 25 |
| 09:28.01 | Zolden | twodie: any progress with cnc? |
| 09:28.07 | twodie | yeah |
| 09:28.08 | ckSynergy | or unscaled. Your choice |
| 09:28.17 | MasterWrath | Still doesn't work. |
| 09:28.19 | twodie | now trying spawning with behaviors vepsen gas |
| 09:28.22 | MasterWrath | That would affect other abilities. |
| 09:28.28 | Zolden | twodie: i can model you a tiberium |
| 09:28.34 | MasterWrath | If you had Frenzy on you and used another ability, that would get modified. |
| 09:28.42 | twodie | trying figuriguing out how those offsets are working |
| 09:28.43 | MasterWrath | See? :| Complicated, lol. |
| 09:29.00 | Zolden | offset from what to wahat? |
| 09:29.02 | twodie | Zolden well no we will use starcraft models to everything for now |
| 09:29.16 | Zolden | ok |
| 09:29.26 | twodie | offsets to spawn units around the gayser |
| 09:29.35 | ckSynergy | ah |
| 09:29.37 | ckSynergy | hmmm |
| 09:29.47 | ckSynergy | ok, got it |
| 09:29.55 | Zolden | why spawn units around geyser? |
| 09:29.58 | ckSynergy | you need 5 damage effects |
| 09:30.04 | MasterWrath | Aaaw hell no |
| 09:30.05 | MasterWrath | lol |
| 09:30.08 | ckSynergy | yup |
| 09:30.09 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 09:30.11 | twodie | Well its like generator of resource |
| 09:30.11 | MasterWrath | I think I got it now |
| 09:30.18 | MasterWrath | A little more complicated |
| 09:30.41 | MasterWrath | Rather than using the Combat: Damage Response - Modify Amount |
| 09:30.46 | MasterWrath | I am simply using |
| 09:30.51 | MasterWrath | Handled - with a new damage effect |
| 09:30.56 | MasterWrath | For the 25 damage bonus |
| 09:30.59 | MasterWrath | Just tested it, it worked |
| 09:31.01 | Zolden | twodie: well, there were generators in red alert, not in cnc |
| 09:31.11 | MasterWrath | Gotta make sure I can force it only to trigger on this ability though |
| 09:31.23 | Zolden | and you probably need a text tag howering upwards? |
| 09:31.26 | ckSynergy | or that works lol |
| 09:31.26 | twodie | Zolden i havent player cnc, nor red alert 1 |
| 09:31.35 | twodie | ohh red alert 1 i had player |
| 09:31.35 | ckSynergy | uhhhh |
| 09:31.45 | twodie | but still know much about it |
| 09:31.48 | MasterWrath | I'm trying "Require Effect Array" |
| 09:31.51 | MasterWrath | I think it'll work |
| 09:32.22 | Zolden | oh god |
| 09:32.28 | twodie | in cnc tiberium stuff there was generator of tiberium |
| 09:32.29 | MasterWrath | YES askldgjkalsdgjkljklasdg |
| 09:32.34 | Zolden | cnc isn't spawning tanks, it's atmosphere |
| 09:32.37 | MasterWrath | I can finally stop working on that damned ability lol |
| 09:32.56 | MasterWrath | Thanks for the info about that Modify Amount, ck |
| 09:33.03 | MasterWrath | I'm kind of annoyed that it doesn't work |
| 09:33.03 | Zolden | oh, that shit that used to create tiberium around it |
| 09:33.51 | Zolden | persistent defines offset |
| 09:34.06 | ckSynergy | np |
| 09:35.03 | twodie | well now i set offsets to 0.0 0.1 0.2 0.3 .. 0.6 and it spawns in two three rows.. |
| 09:35.56 | twodie | basicly problem how the fuck those offsets works :/ |
| 09:36.59 | twodie | totally retarded seems like |
| 09:37.15 | ckSynergy | ... |
| 09:37.22 | ckSynergy | Tiberium Monolyths? |
| 09:37.30 | ckSynergy | or Tiberium Blossoms? |
| 09:37.58 | ckSynergy | or veinhole monsters? |
| 09:38.01 | ckSynergy | :) |
| 09:38.55 | Zolden | twodie: you mean periodic offset, of persistent, irght? you need to create a bunch of iffsets and check "random offset" flag on, so every time it will use 1 random offset |
| 09:39.18 | twodie | using spawn behavior |
| 09:39.25 | ckSynergy | ummmm |
| 09:39.26 | twodie | that doenst use any additional effects |
| 09:39.58 | ckSynergy | Not to be nit-picky, but imho, the best tiberium growth is done in cells |
| 09:40.18 | ckSynergy | i.e. distance of 1 from a nearby generator |
| 09:40.57 | Zolden | i think it will work like this |
| 09:41.41 | Zolden | tried to convince him use a creep, since it can grow without additional data |
| 09:42.09 | ckSynergy | oh nah |
| 09:42.14 | Zolden | btw, can we change minimap color of creep? |
| 09:42.15 | ckSynergy | creep != tiberium |
| 09:42.30 | ckSynergy | even remotely |
| 09:42.31 | Zolden | i want spicy orange instead of vomity purple |
| 09:43.09 | Zolden | creep with a nice texture and some triggering work will look and work like a tiberium |
| 09:43.32 | Zolden | but yea, tiberium is a bunch of nodes |
| 09:43.42 | Zolden | so units should work fine |
| 09:43.55 | Zolden | but creep will perfectly fit for space of dune 2 |
| 09:44.45 | ckSynergy | mmk |
| 09:44.52 | ckSynergy | well Im out for the night. later |
| 09:46.03 | Dogmai | anyone know if there is a way to disable player input command |
| 09:46.05 | twodie | SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RETARDED OFFSETS |
| 09:46.15 | Dogmai | like giving a unit an order |
| 09:46.17 | MasterWrath | Just use triggers, brah |
| 09:46.24 | MasterWrath | Triggers > Offsets |
| 09:46.38 | MasterWrath | I don't know why everybody is so averse to combining data with triggers to make abilities. |
| 09:46.58 | MasterWrath | It's a pain in the ass and takes forever to modify later if you use only data for complicated things. |
| 09:47.14 | MasterWrath | It's like... |
| 09:47.26 | Dogmai | Everything we do is Data |
| 09:47.36 | Dogmai | There is no need to combine Data and Triggers for abilities |
| 09:47.47 | MasterWrath | No need, but it's extremely inefficient |
| 09:47.49 | Zolden | MasterWrath: my experience say that the more data the easier to modify later |
| 09:47.57 | MasterWrath | I disagree |
| 09:47.57 | Dogmai | It is not inefficient |
| 09:48.05 | Dogmai | It is more efficient to use pure data |
| 09:48.10 | MasterWrath | Say you want an ability with targets at random points in a circle |
| 09:48.19 | Dogmai | Yes |
| 09:48.22 | MasterWrath | You can hand-make a bunch of offsets for a random offset persistent |
| 09:48.22 | Dogmai | We have an ability that does that |
| 09:48.26 | MasterWrath | OR |
| 09:48.32 | Zolden | but using data + triggers is optimal, especially if pure data not possible |
| 09:48.32 | MasterWrath | You can have a random point in region trigger |
| 09:48.38 | MasterWrath | Then, when you want to modify it later |
| 09:48.41 | MasterWrath | You will either have to |
| 09:48.48 | MasterWrath | Add a bunch of new offsets or change all of them |
| 09:48.50 | MasterWrath | Or simply |
| 09:48.56 | MasterWrath | Change one number in the trigger editor |
| 09:49.22 | Zolden | i can agree, that some specific cases make triggers easier modifiable |
| 09:49.32 | MasterWrath | Like |
| 09:49.44 | MasterWrath | It's often much easier to set up |
| 09:49.51 | MasterWrath | If you want to create a unit and move it in a direction |
| 09:49.53 | MasterWrath | Do you... |
| 09:50.06 | MasterWrath | Use a create unit effect, and then apply a persistent with offsets |
| 09:50.14 | MasterWrath | With a move order effect |
| 09:50.23 | MasterWrath | Or just use ~2 trigger actions |
| 09:51.57 | Zolden | if its target point can be accessible with data - then data |
| 09:52.06 | Zolden | if no - triggers |
| 09:52.29 | Zolden | actually i use triggers for this |
| 09:52.29 | MasterWrath | I mean, it almost always *can* be accessible |
| 09:52.46 | MasterWrath | But it's often stupid imo |
| 09:53.02 | Zolden | rally point of caster can't be accessible |
| 09:57.09 | MasterWrath | God my roommate is such a freak |
| 09:57.23 | MasterWrath | FML |
| 09:57.28 | MasterWrath | Can't wait for this year to be over |
| 09:57.35 | Zolden | what does he do? wearing no clothes? |
| 09:57.42 | MasterWrath | Aaaand I just realize how sad that statement was |
| 09:57.59 | MasterWrath | Showers rarely, doesn't wash his clothes, doesn't change his clothes for days |
| 09:58.04 | MasterWrath | Reeks |
| 09:58.09 | MasterWrath | Screams at his computer |
| 09:58.12 | MasterWrath | And I mean screams |
| 09:58.16 | Zolden | a nerd? |
| 09:58.21 | Zolden | lol |
| 09:58.28 | Zolden | is he extremely fat? |
| 09:58.42 | Zolden | record his screams on camera and share on youtube |
| 09:58.56 | Zolden | ppl love fat nerds screaming on their computers |
| 09:59.13 | Zolden | vill become viral |
| 09:59.23 | Zolden | yourube ads wil bring some cash |
| 09:59.41 | Zolden | and you will get better room |
| 09:59.52 | Zolden | but you won't, because you will need more vids of the fatty |
| 10:00.26 | MasterWrath | lol |
| 10:02.26 | Zolden | fuck, so many texture per model wow uses, how am i supposed to |
| 10:02.30 | Zolden | to fix em |
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| 10:13.14 | Taintedwisp | ~purl Zolden is a bitchfaggot, who sucks monkey wiener. |
| 10:13.14 | purl | Taintedwisp: please, watch your language. |
| 10:13.17 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 10:13.23 | Taintedwisp | ~zolden |
| 10:13.23 | purl | it has been said that zolden is a blank soldier |
| 10:13.35 | Taintedwisp | ~purl Zolden is a fag who sucks monkey wiener. |
| 10:13.35 | purl | ...but zolden is already something else... |
| 10:13.40 | Taintedwisp | :( |
| 10:14.45 | Zolden | he-he |
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| 10:26.51 | ploynian | Mornin', early birds! |
| 10:26.56 | ploynian | Who is alive? |
| 10:28.42 | Dogmai | sadly |
| 10:28.45 | Dogmai | all of us |
| 10:29.02 | Dogmai | ~who is taintedwisp |
| 10:29.02 | purl | rumour has it, taintedwisp is a niggerjew |
| 10:29.06 | Dogmai | o_O |
| 10:29.26 | Taintedwisp | ~who is Dogmai |
| 10:29.26 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, dogmai is a jew |
| 10:29.47 | Taintedwisp | sooo who has this fixation with jews -_- |
| 10:30.06 | Taintedwisp | I havent gone to sleep yet... |
| 10:30.09 | Taintedwisp | its 5:30 am |
| 10:30.10 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 10:30.21 | Dogmai | Thats cause you lost your little money bag around your neck |
| 10:30.25 | Dogmai | You aint gonna sleep till you find it |
| 10:30.40 | ploynian | Well, hello all. :) |
| 10:30.41 | Taintedwisp | what? moneybag? i dont get it |
| 10:30.47 | Taintedwisp | Sit dog, sit. |
| 10:32.23 | Taintedwisp | yo dogmai |
| 10:32.29 | Taintedwisp | http://s183.beta.photobucket.com/user/11shadowwolf/media/Terrain034_zpsebd314a1.jpg.html YOUR BEACONS CAN SUCK IT |
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| 10:47.18 | MasterWrath | What's the name of the thing on the tauren's back again? |
| 10:47.22 | MasterWrath | I'm not a WoW player. |
| 10:47.29 | MasterWrath | I like what you did there, though. |
| 10:49.06 | Taintedwisp | Murloc |
| 10:52.06 | Taintedwisp | vail did that haha. |
| 10:52.06 | MasterWrath | Well |
| 10:52.06 | MasterWrath | He's cooler than you <3 |
| 10:52.06 | MasterWrath | LOL. Sorry. |
| 10:52.06 | Taintedwisp | lzsl |
| 10:52.06 | MasterWrath | What lol? |
| 10:52.06 | Taintedwisp | He put the murloc on the head of the tauren, and Put the tentecles on the hydra |
| 10:52.06 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 10:52.06 | MasterWrath | Doing attachments is indeed no fun |
| 10:52.06 | MasterWrath | But it looks great |
| 10:52.06 | MasterWrath | I can't help but think that your hydra is a rip-off of Mandrake from AoS. ^_^ |
| 10:52.06 | Taintedwisp | Doing attachments IS AWESOME WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!! |
| 10:52.06 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 10:52.06 | Taintedwisp | What what? |
| 10:52.06 | Taintedwisp | Mandrake... |
| 10:52.06 | MasterWrath | The hydralisk from AoS |
| 10:52.06 | MasterWrath | With the same two tentacles |
| 10:52.06 | Taintedwisp | I JUST looked that up... thats a red tinted hydra.... |
| 10:52.06 | MasterWrath | ... |
| 10:52.06 | MasterWrath | But with the two tentacles. :P |
| 10:52.06 | Taintedwisp | Mine is custom skinned, and had 2 tentecles on its back.... -_- |
| 10:52.41 | MasterWrath | Mandrake has the same two tentacles. |
| 10:52.54 | MasterWrath | :P :P :P |
| 10:53.08 | Taintedwisp | no it doesnt |
| 10:53.14 | Taintedwisp | I just looked at a video.. |
| 10:53.15 | Taintedwisp | It just has an ability with 1 tentecle |
| 10:53.46 | MasterWrath | That's SotIS lol |
| 10:53.52 | MasterWrath | AoS is two tentacles that catch things between them |
| 10:54.01 | Taintedwisp | meh |
| 10:54.10 | MasterWrath | gg :P |
| 10:54.20 | Taintedwisp | I had those tentecles on him WAY before they renamed it to AoS :P |
| 10:54.20 | Taintedwisp | They just did that recently then |
| 10:55.08 | MasterWrath | Been that way for a while. |
| 10:55.10 | MasterWrath | Since SotIS 4.0 I think. |
| 10:55.59 | Taintedwisp | EWW I JUST SAW THEM... |
| 10:56.04 | Taintedwisp | ewwwww |
| 10:56.23 | Taintedwisp | They did a horrible job attaching them... they literally just set them behind his back without any rotation or anything -_- |
| 10:58.09 | twodie | how to make validator that would stop buff periodic event when around him too much units of those which he generates |
| 10:58.09 | twodie | http://pastebin.com/BRAzMh6C |
| 10:58.09 | twodie | does shit |
| 10:58.09 | MasterWrath | lol they look better than yours |
| 10:59.23 | Taintedwisp | no they dont, they look like ears on AoS |
| 10:59.24 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 10:59.24 | Taintedwisp | They are literally just sticking strait up.... :P |
| 10:59.34 | MasterWrath | And yours are hanging out nonsensically lol |
| 11:00.31 | Taintedwisp | 1 sec |
| 11:01.18 | twodie | 2 |
| 11:01.19 | MasterWrath | 3 |
| 11:01.21 | MasterWrath | 4 |
| 11:01.22 | MasterWrath | 5 |
| 11:01.28 | MasterWrath | 6 |
| 11:01.28 | MasterWrath | 7 |
| 11:01.28 | MasterWrath | 8 |
| 11:01.28 | MasterWrath | 9 |
| 11:02.55 | Taintedwisp | Ilol |
| 11:03.24 | Taintedwisp | taking longer then expected botched data editing... |
| 11:04.41 | Taintedwisp | my version of sotis is too old to get a screen cap of it with its tenticles. |
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| 11:06.53 | twodie | how to make validator that would stop buff periodic event when around him too much units of those which he generates |
| 11:10.35 | MasterWrath | Search Area validator of some sort right? |
| 11:11.35 | Zolden | twodie: enumerate area |
| 11:11.56 | twodie | http://pastebin.com/BRAzMh6C |
| 11:12.00 | twodie | does shit |
| 11:12.49 | Zolden | why greater then? |
| 11:12.54 | Zolden | you rather need less then 10 |
| 11:13.21 | Zolden | radius 8? isn't it too high? |
| 11:13.32 | twodie | testing still |
| 11:13.34 | Zolden | it alnly spawns to the closest tiles |
| 11:13.56 | Zolden | and each tiberium node can create more around it |
| 11:13.56 | twodie | nope less than isnt do shit |
| 11:13.57 | Taintedwisp | http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Screenshot2013-02-2406_11_44_zps8e81a145.jpg OR http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain016_zpsbe49c0f5.jpg? |
| 11:14.01 | Taintedwisp | ZOlden which you think? |
| 11:14.56 | Zolden | i think it's cool |
| 11:15.15 | MasterWrath | You play on low detail??? lol |
| 11:15.22 | Taintedwisp | yeah I have to |
| 11:15.25 | Taintedwisp | WHich one thoiugh zolden... |
| 11:15.27 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 11:15.32 | twodie | he is pro player needs to see those dts |
| 11:15.33 | Taintedwisp | Tentacle wise |
| 11:15.46 | Zolden | go suck some dicks, get money, buy better computer |
| 11:15.47 | Taintedwisp | haha, no sc2 is shitty and not optimized for quad core computing |
| 11:16.22 | Zolden | it's optimized for my quad core |
| 11:16.31 | Taintedwisp | it only runs 2 cores |
| 11:16.39 | Taintedwisp | Windows will run background stuff on the other 2 though |
| 11:16.39 | Zolden | no way |
| 11:17.09 | Zolden | i saw diagramms, which say it uses all cores |
| 11:17.24 | Taintedwisp | http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2000490419 |
| 11:17.38 | Taintedwisp | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6933836289 |
| 11:17.40 | MasterWrath | http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/740809_10200276184566810_418463861_o.jpg |
| 11:17.48 | MasterWrath | Give that one a try tainted. >:D |
| 11:18.04 | Taintedwisp | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6368306949 |
| 11:18.16 | Taintedwisp | Much nicer pic masterwrath |
| 11:18.26 | Taintedwisp | Still the tenacles look gay |
| 11:18.27 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 11:18.45 | Taintedwisp | It would be impossible for them to attack without mass stretching |
| 11:18.53 | Taintedwisp | Mine are places so when they attack they still look great |
| 11:19.11 | MasterWrath | Our aren |
| 11:19.14 | MasterWrath | *aren |
| 11:19.15 | MasterWrath | Damnit |
| 11:19.26 | MasterWrath | *aren't for attacks, they're for the ulta-super-awesome lance ability |
| 11:19.37 | Taintedwisp | mine attack with the hero |
| 11:20.03 | Taintedwisp | i think shit like that stretching looks stupid :P like the infestors ability haha it just looks dumb |
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| 11:20.53 | MasterWrath | YOU LOOK DUMB. NYEHHHH. |
| 11:21.03 | Taintedwisp | also, why does AoS still have the half finished UI skin :P |
| 11:21.04 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 11:21.11 | Taintedwisp | Its half terran and half medieval... |
| 11:21.12 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 11:21.32 | Zolden | Taintedwisp: or maybe you right http://www.pcgameshardware.com/screenshots/original/2010/07/SC2-CPUs-1024.png |
| 11:21.35 | MasterWrath | And it stills looks 10x as good as any other game's interface. |
| 11:21.38 | MasterWrath | <3 |
| 11:21.55 | Taintedwisp | ehhh |
| 11:21.59 | Taintedwisp | I wouldnt say that |
| 11:22.30 | Taintedwisp | I would say its a good start, but it doesnt look finished |
| 11:22.45 | Taintedwisp | i cant say much on UI though |
| 11:22.51 | Taintedwisp | Mine isnt really even getting started yet :P |
| 11:22.53 | MasterWrath | Neither does any other interface on Starcraft, including the default interface. |
| 11:23.18 | Taintedwisp | Not true I think the default UIs in game were always pretty nice |
| 11:23.21 | Taintedwisp | They just needed MORE of them |
| 11:23.23 | MasterWrath | Pfffft |
| 11:23.28 | Taintedwisp | They should have done 3 for each race so they wouldnt get stale |
| 11:23.30 | MasterWrath | Look at the zerg and toss interfaces |
| 11:23.34 | MasterWrath | So big bulky and intrusive |
| 11:23.42 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 11:23.44 | Taintedwisp | so? |
| 11:23.44 | MasterWrath | Not to mention the design is horrid |
| 11:23.56 | MasterWrath | So much wasted empty black space in the unit info panel |
| 11:24.01 | Taintedwisp | not really... better then half of it being back 10 centuries |
| 11:24.09 | MasterWrath | Which incidentally, the entire info panel looks as though it was made only for debugging |
| 11:24.43 | Taintedwisp | which info panel? |
| 11:24.47 | MasterWrath | The unit info |
| 11:24.55 | Taintedwisp | ? thats the default one.. |
| 11:25.02 | Taintedwisp | Its the same as it has been in all of their games |
| 11:25.05 | MasterWrath | They could have compressed that info into a much smaller space and made it look 10x as good |
| 11:25.06 | Taintedwisp | Since SC1 |
| 11:25.18 | Taintedwisp | Compressions != Useability. |
| 11:25.28 | MasterWrath | Their entire design is a huge waste of space |
| 11:25.37 | MasterWrath | I mean, take people with large resolutions |
| 11:25.44 | MasterWrath | Rather than creating space for those people |
| 11:25.53 | MasterWrath | They fill it with empty black space |
| 11:25.59 | Taintedwisp | so? |
| 11:26.28 | MasterWrath | Example: |
| 11:26.38 | MasterWrath | Low Res: http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&tbm=isch&tbnid=FmH3-PuhRxRcLM:&imgrefurl=http://internetgames.about.com/od/screenshots/ig/StarCraft-2/starcraft2-11.htm&docid=HSahmq-lxNDWyM&imgurl=http://0.tqn.com/d/internetgames/1/0/u/e/starcraft2-11.jpg&w=1024&h=819&ei=zfgpUfbQBaX7iwLOkYG4Cg&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,i:383&iact=rc&dur=484&sig=115028106938744775620&page=3&tbnh=186&tbnw=237&start=63&ndsp=40&tx=110&ty=7 |
| 11:26.46 | Taintedwisp | Games are made for the minimum requirements, and optimized for the median. you cant have a game that removes half of the data on lower resolutions... |
| 11:26.47 | MasterWrath | High Res: http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&tbm=isch&tbnid=vBy7-enp330wcM:&imgrefurl=http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/01/26/starcraft-ii-training-ground-opens-in-south-korea-drapes-so-nerds-dont-get-hurt-by-the-sun/&docid=j691dsmm-YDL_M&imgurl=http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2010/08/starcraft-2-banshee-rush-1024x640.jpg&w=1024&h=640&ei=zfgpUfbQBaX7iwLOkYG4Cg&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,i:350&iact=rc&dur=361&sig=115028106 |
| 11:27.04 | MasterWrath | Rather than returning game screen to the player, they simply expand the size of the info panel and fill it with empty black space |
| 11:27.06 | Taintedwisp | okay so? |
| 11:27.14 | MasterWrath | Terrible design, they clearly put little effort into it |
| 11:27.15 | Taintedwisp | yeah... |
| 11:27.30 | Taintedwisp | it would have been worse design to leave open space... |
| 11:28.01 | MasterWrath | I hope nobody ever asks you to design an interface. -_- |
| 11:28.17 | Taintedwisp | i hope no one ever ask you -_-... it will be worse... |
| 11:28.39 | Taintedwisp | HAving gaps inbetween the Mini map and the info, and another gap inbetween info and command card would be horrific |
| 11:29.31 | MasterWrath | Not true |
| 11:29.37 | MasterWrath | Take League of Legend's latest interface change |
| 11:29.42 | MasterWrath | http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&safe=off&tbm=isch&tbnid=1N5Xb_rsLTJVbM:&imgrefurl=http://vanjojojo.wordpress.com/tag/league-of-legends/&docid=dXd5H0xk2tWb2M&imgurl=http://vanjojojo.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/league_of_legends_pc_07.jpg&w=1920&h=1080&ei=hvkpUeTGNeP1igLCtIHwCQ&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,i:129&iact=rc&dur=740&sig=115028106938744775620&page=1&tbnh=168&tbnw=300&start=0&ndsp=32&tx=170&ty=78&biw=1920&bih=979 |
| 11:29.48 | MasterWrath | http://www.gamershell.com/static/streaming/34984/34984_medium.jpg |
| 11:30.08 | MasterWrath | Can't imagine why you would prefer seeing more interface to more map space |
| 11:31.16 | twodie | its different things |
| 11:31.28 | twodie | in lol the tabs takes less space |
| 11:31.52 | MasterWrath | And on the contrary the Starcraft interface as it is has things much larger than they need to be |
| 11:31.56 | twodie | in sc2 all tabs, panels share almost same size on the screen |
| 11:32.07 | MasterWrath | Ex. Ability buttons for which people usually memorize hotkeys anyways |
| 11:32.32 | Taintedwisp | Master Wraith this is EXACTLY what you asked for... http://i.imgur.com/9T5XuaA.jpg |
| 11:32.33 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 11:32.36 | Taintedwisp | It looks stupid... |
| 11:32.37 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 11:32.55 | Taintedwisp | Really so now we do away with buttons, that actually 90% of players use... |
| 11:33.06 | MasterWrath | A. 90% of users do NOT use them |
| 11:33.12 | MasterWrath | B. I said too big, not shouldn't be there |
| 11:33.12 | Taintedwisp | yes they do -_- |
| 11:33.25 | Taintedwisp | 90% is the casuals |
| 11:33.31 | Taintedwisp | Casuals pretty much dont use hotkeys. |
| 11:33.41 | Taintedwisp | Because they dont take the time to learn them -_- |
| 11:33.57 | Taintedwisp | hell I dont know 95% of hotkeys and I am high gold |
| 11:34.44 | MasterWrath | Even if what you are saying is true, which I still dispute |
| 11:34.50 | MasterWrath | They are still unnecessarily large |
| 11:35.28 | Taintedwisp | no there not... they are 76 x 76, They are actually perfect size -_- |
| 11:35.36 | Taintedwisp | if you dont like them turn on simple command card :P |
| 11:35.40 | MasterWrath | What exactly makes 76x76 the perfect size? |
| 11:35.47 | MasterWrath | I'd much sooner say that 64x64 would be |
| 11:36.20 | Taintedwisp | 64 x 64 is too small on higher resolutions |
| 11:36.48 | Taintedwisp | EXAMPLE |
| 11:36.48 | Taintedwisp | http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Screenshot2013-02-2406_11_44_zps8e81a145.jpg |
| 11:37.05 | Taintedwisp | The buttons on there, is sooo terrible small the hotkey takes up a 1/4th of the picture |
| 11:37.06 | MasterWrath | Example of your foolishness: Ours aren't 64 x 64. |
| 11:37.18 | Taintedwisp | well they are fukn tiny |
| 11:37.18 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 11:39.31 | Taintedwisp | The point is... The way SC2 Comman card and everything is set up is fine :P. the only space it waste is on the Overlay model, Which is fine, Hell they waste very little anyways. |
| 11:40.25 | MasterWrath | Waste: portrait, empty space in the middle, console models |
| 11:40.37 | MasterWrath | At the least they could create a menu option for a minimal UI |
| 11:40.54 | MasterWrath | Hell, I COULD DO IT and it would take me about TWENTY MINUTES |
| 11:41.10 | Taintedwisp | why it would just have huge crappy gaps... |
| 11:41.12 | Taintedwisp | hah |
| 11:41.27 | Taintedwisp | and gotta say |
| 11:41.35 | Taintedwisp | The old LoL was WAY better then the new look |
| 11:41.41 | Taintedwisp | The new one makes me have to squint to see shit |
| 11:41.45 | MasterWrath | You have no sense of taste OR efficiency |
| 11:41.53 | MasterWrath | -_- |
| 11:42.18 | Taintedwisp | Efficiency.. you have no taste in usability nor practicability |
| 11:42.30 | MasterWrath | Okay |
| 11:42.34 | MasterWrath | Practicability is not a word |
| 11:42.40 | MasterWrath | And as far as practicality goes |
| 11:42.40 | Taintedwisp | wanna bet... |
| 11:42.44 | MasterWrath | EVERYTHING that I have said |
| 11:42.46 | MasterWrath | Is practical |
| 11:42.56 | Taintedwisp | 1. Capable of being effected, done, or put into practice; feasible. See Synonyms at possible. 2. Usable for a specified purpose |
| 11:42.58 | Taintedwisp | Fail.. |
| 11:43.00 | Taintedwisp | hgahahaahah |
| 11:43.12 | Taintedwisp | https://www.google.com/search?q=practicability&rlz=1C1NIKB_enUS507US507&oq=practicability&aqs=chrome.0.57j0l3j62l2.2848&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 |
| 11:43.16 | Taintedwisp | \dammit |
| 11:43.35 | Taintedwisp | dont question the words I use :P |
| 11:43.36 | Taintedwisp | Hahah |
| 11:43.49 | MasterWrath | So, it's the word practical except unnecessarily long |
| 11:43.58 | Taintedwisp | not exactly... |
| 11:44.00 | MasterWrath | I'm betting some idiot messed up the word practical then got it into a dictionary |
| 11:44.07 | Taintedwisp | Its like saying capable and capabilitiy |
| 11:44.19 | MasterWrath | Which is the same thing as practical.. |
| 11:44.25 | Taintedwisp | NO ITS NOT |
| 11:44.41 | Taintedwisp | Its almost 7 am its too late to be teaching you english.. |
| 11:45.45 | MasterWrath | Practicable: capable of being done, effected, or *put into practice* |
| 11:45.57 | MasterWrath | of or pertaining to *practice* or action |
| 11:46.02 | MasterWrath | (Practical) |
| 11:46.27 | Taintedwisp | just stop... your not helping your case -_- |
| 11:46.30 | Taintedwisp | hah |
| 11:46.32 | MasterWrath | Practical: adapted or designed for actual *use; useful* |
| 11:46.33 | Taintedwisp | THE POINT IS>... |
| 11:46.40 | Taintedwisp | AOS MANDRAKE LOOKS LIKE SHIT COMPARED TO LASH |
| 11:46.41 | Taintedwisp | !!! |
| 11:46.42 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 11:46.52 | MasterWrath | Practicability: capable of being *used* |
| 11:47.49 | Taintedwisp | dogmai, you know proper english, you teach him while I sleep |
| 11:47.50 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 11:48.36 | Dogmai | .... |
| 11:48.56 | MasterWrath | Here's a word for you: redundant |
| 11:49.04 | MasterWrath | Two words with essentially the same meaning |
| 11:49.08 | MasterWrath | Where one is longer than the other |
| 11:49.11 | MasterWrath | GG |
| 11:49.53 | Taintedwisp | gg? this was over 10 minutes ago... |
| 11:49.55 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 11:50.06 | Taintedwisp | When you called me out on a word and were proved wrong.. |
| 11:51.34 | MasterWrath | *shrug* at least I don't make heroes with ugly-ass retextures |
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| 12:17.36 | evily | hm where do i change attack speed of a weapon? |
| 12:19.00 | MasterWrath | It's the period |
| 12:19.17 | MasterWrath | The greater the number the slower it is |
| 12:19.18 | evily | oh. thanks. |
| 12:19.22 | evily | i see |
| 12:22.30 | twodie | Zolden |
| 12:22.42 | twodie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvMavlAuFAw |
| 12:23.53 | Zolden | ty :) |
| 12:25.42 | MasterWrath | Just finished the last ability :D :D :D |
| 12:27.06 | MasterWrath | I am putting the finishing touches on a hero with 10 abilities, 59 effects, 24 behaviors |
| 12:43.35 | evily | can anyone nudge me in the right direction. i have an ability that spawns a spawning pool, and then i want the spawning pool to continually produce zerglings. but how would i go about this? |
| 12:44.54 | MasterWrath | So many ways to do that |
| 12:45.23 | evily | yea. i prefer one where the building has a queue, and then units just keep popping out until you cancel |
| 12:45.25 | MasterWrath | Put a behavior on it that periodically runs a create unit (zergling) on it? |
| 12:45.28 | MasterWrath | Ah |
| 12:45.31 | MasterWrath | Where it has a queue |
| 12:46.06 | evily | im unsure how to even appreach that. but ive seen it in other maps |
| 12:46.10 | MasterWrath | Well |
| 12:46.14 | MasterWrath | Take a look at the barracks |
| 12:46.21 | MasterWrath | Replicate the marine creation ability but for a zergling |
| 12:46.32 | evily | right |
| 12:46.42 | MasterWrath | Then give the spawning pool a behavior that periodically runs an order effect to use the ability |
| 12:47.23 | evily | okay. ill try |
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| 12:58.35 | Ahli | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/194n6v/noticed_this_little_shoutout_during_the_dead/ morning |
| 12:59.10 | Ahli | so, how many of you understand that? :D |
| 13:06.17 | twodie | Zolden really may translate that, cause its russian! |
| 13:09.11 | twodie | how to make validator that would stop buff periodic event when around him too much units of those which he generates |
| 13:09.18 | twodie | sucks: http://pastebin.com/BRAzMh6C |
| 13:09.40 | Zolden | twodie: use enumerate area |
| 13:09.53 | JademusSreg | Passed the fuck out. =D |
| 13:10.11 | Zolden | gj JademusSreg |
| 13:10.48 | twodie | Zolden it is enumerate area validator |
| 13:10.52 | twodie | that doenst work |
| 13:11.00 | JademusSreg | Wat's up? |
| 13:11.05 | Zolden | make it work |
| 13:11.05 | twodie | it just turn offs the behavior and gg |
| 13:11.10 | Zolden | amount = 10 |
| 13:11.11 | twodie | IMPOSSIBLEASDIAUH |
| 13:11.23 | JademusSreg | What's the issue? |
| 13:11.43 | twodie | cant make validator work |
| 13:12.07 | JademusSreg | What are we attempting to implement? |
| 13:12.14 | twodie | how to make validator that would stop buff periodic event when around him too much units of those which he generates |
| 13:12.55 | JademusSreg | Does it need to be MUI? |
| 13:13.05 | twodie | MUI? |
| 13:13.16 | Ahli | enumerate area |
| 13:13.28 | JademusSreg | Multi-user instancable. Will there be more than one instance of this unit? |
| 13:13.41 | ploynian | Hey everyone |
| 13:13.50 | ploynian | I need help designing an Apply Force ability |
| 13:13.51 | twodie | yes |
| 13:13.55 | Ahli | morning voldemort |
| 13:13.59 | twodie | it generates units around him |
| 13:14.01 | ploynian | I've followed a tutorial, and tried to modify it a bit |
| 13:14.04 | JademusSreg | Good morning, Ahli. |
| 13:14.05 | ploynian | but it doesn't work :/ |
| 13:14.06 | twodie | around the generating unit |
| 13:14.17 | ploynian | hello ahli :) |
| 13:14.25 | JademusSreg | If it didn't need to be MUI, I'd suggest using a count unit requirement. |
| 13:15.15 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Zol, wanna pastebin the xml? |
| 13:16.14 | twodie | and it works!@ |
| 13:16.26 | Ahli | else you could add a stacking behavior onto the summoning unit until the summon died and use the behavior count |
| 13:16.31 | twodie | bbut with retarded unit placement |
| 13:17.55 | twodie | and that seems like fixed |
| 13:18.47 | ploynian | I have an Effect-Target ability > Apply Behavior effect (validator: Target has 0 Behavior 'X') > Buff Behavior (name: 'X') ............. The Behavior's stats: .8125 duration, .0625 period, 13 period count, Effect-Initial > Modify Unit effect (Modify Height: +0.01 over .8125), Effect-Final > Modify Unit effect (Modify Height -0.01 over 0), Effect-Periodic > Apply Force effect (Force: 1) |
| 13:18.57 | ploynian | Why it no work? :( |
| 13:20.02 | ploynian | Oh, the Behavior also has Modification field: +3 Speed Bonus, -6 Sight Radius, "Disable Ability" Behavior Flag |
| 13:20.34 | JademusSreg | plo, in what way is it not working? |
| 13:20.43 | ploynian | when casted, the targeted unit doesn't even seem to receive the behavior, but the ability itself is casted (cooldown+energy cost triggered) |
| 13:21.07 | ploynian | confirmed: it doesn't even apply the behavior :/ |
| 13:22.27 | JademusSreg | What's the validator data? |
| 13:22.43 | JademusSreg | Sounds like the issue. |
| 13:22.57 | Ahli | try to apply stimpack and see if that works |
| 13:23.12 | ploynian | Type: "Unit Compare Behavior Count" |
| 13:23.18 | ploynian | Behavior: 'X' |
| 13:23.24 | ploynian | Compare: Equal to |
| 13:23.27 | ploynian | Value: 0 |
| 13:23.33 | ploynian | Unit+: Target |
| 13:23.55 | ploynian | what do you mean by Apply Stim Pack? |
| 13:24.21 | ploynian | also, the way I am doing this does not match with the tutorial iread: it was using Persistent and Search Area, but I want mine to affect only the Targeted Unit. Maybe I've done something wrong? :o |
| 13:26.05 | ploynian | in the tutorial, the Lifting Modify Unit is the Initilal Effect, and the DroppingModify Unit is the Periodic Effect |
| 13:26.38 | Ahli | I suggested switching the applied behavior to something that should work in every case. But if your behavior has no requirements, this won't tell us anything... |
| 13:26.54 | ploynian | oh fuck fail -.- |
| 13:26.59 | ploynian | i didnt link the behavior |
| 13:27.02 | ploynian | brb testing properly XD |
| 13:27.06 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 13:28.10 | ploynian | it acts weirdly... |
| 13:28.34 | ploynian | lifts the person in the air, and moves it toward the Bottom, instead of toward where the Caster was relative to Target |
| 13:29.54 | ploynian | should the Apply Force be part of the Initial Effect with the Lift effect (so I'd use a Set effect) or is it fine to use it as the Periodic? |
| 13:32.14 | ploynian | Weird |
| 13:32.34 | ploynian | the target always gets pushed toward the -Bottom- of the map |
| 13:32.35 | ploynian | why so? |
| 13:32.42 | JademusSreg | Null unit reference. |
| 13:32.49 | ploynian | shouldn't it be pushed -away- since the force applied is "+1" ? |
| 13:32.51 | JademusSreg | Caster, probably. |
| 13:34.02 | JademusSreg | A persistent effect is useful for maintaining the unit reference needed to orient the apply force effect. |
| 13:34.40 | ploynian | but I don't see why it requires a persistent. |
| 13:34.55 | ploynian | isn't the Apply Force effect by definition calculation the direction based on relative position of Caster/Target? |
| 13:35.46 | ploynian | ah! got it! |
| 13:36.07 | ploynian | the Location was set to "Source Unit/Point" by default, and not "Caster Unit", as I thought |
| 13:36.21 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 13:37.50 | ploynian | well |
| 13:37.55 | ploynian | so many fails and noob errors XD |
| 13:38.03 | ploynian | the ability works wonderfully :3 |
| 13:39.16 | MasterWrath | I AM DONE asdjkgjklasdgjklajklsdgjkl |
| 13:40.12 | JademusSreg | Done in a good way or bad way? |
| 13:40.24 | MasterWrath | Good way |
| 13:40.24 | ploynian | Question: What happens if I modifiy the Decelartion value with the Behavior? Does it make the arrival of the unit at its Pushed spot smoother (as in slows it down at the end of its trajectory)? |
| 13:40.31 | MasterWrath | Finished the first hero they gave me |
| 13:40.34 | MasterWrath | 10 Abilities |
| 13:40.38 | JademusSreg | Like "phew, done, smiley face" or Peter Griffin at Failure To Launch? |
| 13:40.41 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 13:40.42 | MasterWrath | 60 Effects |
| 13:40.48 | MasterWrath | 24 Behaviors |
| 13:42.06 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 13:43.01 | ploynian | woosh |
| 13:43.04 | ploynian | good job |
| 13:44.23 | MasterWrath | Thanks. :) |
| 13:46.57 | MasterWrath | It was a kind of boring design, IMO. |
| 13:47.09 | MasterWrath | I prefer more visual ability designs. |
| 13:47.18 | MasterWrath | There's not much you can do with melee zergling abilities. |
| 13:47.54 | Ahli | what does the modify flag - modify movement, do? o0 |
| 13:48.00 | Ahli | in a behavior |
| 13:49.13 | twodie | ok so im thinking of custom gatheing abil, so im thinking about process like. Go to resource, wait some time, remove unit, get behavior, unit stack of 5 behaviors arent fulfilled, after that return resource. |
| 13:49.16 | evily | can anyone tell me how i make and apply an effect or behavior to the barracks, that queues a new marine everytime it has finished one? |
| 13:49.22 | twodie | any ideas what effects to use?1 |
| 13:50.16 | Zolden | twodie: you mean cnc gathering? |
| 13:50.22 | twodie | y |
| 13:50.32 | Zolden | why not use normal gathering? |
| 13:50.33 | MasterWrath | 13 validators for this hero... XP |
| 13:50.46 | twodie | Zolden BOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRINGGGGGGGGGG |
| 13:50.54 | Ahli | the buff behavior page in the wiki doesn't know line movement flag |
| 13:51.15 | Zolden | where is the difference between normal boring and what you want to do? |
| 13:51.37 | twodie | it gathers some stacks before returning |
| 13:51.41 | Zolden | you want harvester to switch nodes? |
| 13:51.48 | twodie | and gatherers wouldnt stack |
| 13:52.05 | Zolden | ok, i would do it like this: |
| 13:52.15 | Zolden | data + triggers |
| 13:52.36 | ploynian | ahli, was that question directed at me? |
| 13:54.03 | Zolden | harvester uses abil on resource for some time (harvestering animation), then searches for another resource node, harvests there harvesting behavior has a periodic effect which triggers a trigger which adds some to harvester's custom value. When custom value >= 700, trigger applies return behavior to harvester |
| 13:54.23 | Ahli | I ask everyone, if I ask strnge things |
| 13:54.50 | ploynian | do you know how to make the Apply Force effect look smoother, ahli? |
| 13:55.10 | Zolden | twodie: I can paint you an image if you didn't understand my tangled explanation |
| 13:55.46 | Zolden | this shuold mkae harvester act exactly like the cnc's one |
| 13:55.49 | twodie | i do understandt |
| 13:55.53 | Zolden | ok |
| 13:56.11 | twodie | but need some effect tree needed to ability to work |
| 13:56.54 | Zolden | so, i'll clear, there are 3 stages: move to the field, gather, return |
| 13:57.39 | Zolden | "move to the field" is an abil which searches in a wide range for tiberium nodes and choses the nearerst to apply a dummy effect with range = 1 |
| 13:58.59 | Zolden | harvest is a 5 sec behavior with periodic "add some to custom value" dummy effect and as final effect it issues an order to chose another node to come to, where starts another 5 sec gather behavior |
| 13:59.27 | Zolden | and finally, return stage is an abil which commands to move back and drop the resources |
| 14:00.31 | Zolden | data + triggers -> win |
| 14:00.48 | Ahli | what's not smoothin in the apply force? |
| 14:01.51 | Zolden | Ahli: applied force moves units with their move speed, so if you want to smooth it, change speed |
| 14:02.09 | Zolden | i mean ploynian |
| 14:02.13 | Zolden | not Ahli |
| 14:02.33 | Zolden | pylonian |
| 14:02.42 | Zolden | that's how i read your name |
| 14:02.55 | Ahli | can I make force not look so terrible with making the unit look at the target point? |
| 14:03.21 | Ahli | it looks more like a mindcontrol thing that says, move over here (which is basically is) |
| 14:03.34 | Zolden | maybe temoporarily make unit not turnable? |
| 14:03.38 | JademusSreg | Actors are the only hope. |
| 14:03.48 | Ahli | hmm, suppress turning |
| 14:03.58 | Zolden | yea may work |
| 14:04.49 | JademusSreg | Apply rockers to the unit actor, especially if sailing through the air, make it look less bizarre. |
| 14:05.08 | evily | how can say If triggering unit == A marine ? |
| 14:05.16 | ploynian | can unit being applied a force on Turn? and can they cast ablities? and order movements? or be moved via triggers? |
| 14:05.29 | JademusSreg | Ev, unit type comparison. |
| 14:05.35 | ploynian | If (Unit type of Unit(Triggering Unit)) == Marine |
| 14:06.45 | evily | i dont understand |
| 14:06.59 | evily | Where do i find "marine"? |
| 14:07.23 | JademusSreg | Values tab. |
| 14:08.06 | evily | it will only let me choose from buildings i put on the map |
| 14:08.24 | JademusSreg | That's unit, not unit type. |
| 14:09.12 | evily | ah. i see.. .. |
| 14:09.13 | evily | tyvm |
| 14:17.49 | Ahli | my force effect don't work properly when the unit is attacking :< hmm |
| 14:22.50 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 14:23.05 | JademusSreg | How so? |
| 14:23.31 | Ahli | I've broodling vs broodling fights and when they are close, I can't push them |
| 14:23.46 | Ahli | when they hunt my unit, I can push them |
| 14:23.58 | Ahli | collision is suppressed |
| 14:24.25 | Ahli | combat is suppressed, min speed is 3, turning is suppressed |
| 14:24.29 | JademusSreg | Yes, that reminds me of a similar observation. |
| 14:25.18 | JademusSreg | While testing, use the command behavioradd RepulserField12 to some units and try to wall in a pack of other units. |
| 14:27.19 | JademusSreg | It appears moving out of collision trumps force effects. =\ |
| 14:28.18 | JademusSreg | I remember during beta using force effects to push units into unpathable terrain. They've made it safer and perhaps less powerful, it seems. |
| 14:30.41 | evily | if i have an event that fires when a unit training completes, will the triggering unit be the unit that trained the unit? |
| 14:30.50 | Ahli | well, if you are you surrounded, you can't use my spell to push the units away o0 |
| 14:31.34 | JademusSreg | Ahli, if collision is more powerful than force effects, hack it and make exploit unit collision. =D |
| 14:32.05 | Ahli | it's not collision |
| 14:32.28 | JademusSreg | Pardon, perhaps I misunderstand. |
| 14:32.30 | Ahli | it's just that units that are doing something say "mehhh force effect, do not care" |
| 14:33.33 | JademusSreg | ev, native unit EventUnitProgressUnit (); |
| 14:33.33 | Ahli | I got an archer that has a spell that pushes the units he attacks backwards... if these units are currently attacking the archer, it doesn't move the unit around |
| 14:34.03 | JademusSreg | Look for a GUI function named something like Progress Unit or Training or Constructing unit. |
| 14:34.38 | JademusSreg | Triggering unit in that event would return the source, iirc. |
| 14:35.04 | evily | take a look at this: http://snag.gy/qH02e.jpg |
| 14:35.11 | JademusSreg | Ahli, what is you stun or cancel the order queue first? |
| 14:35.14 | JademusSreg | *if |
| 14:35.25 | evily | i dont know which is which, whats your guess? is triggering unit the barracks, or is it the unit created? http://snag.gy/qH02e.jpg |
| 14:35.54 | Ahli | I added the stun flag in the behavior that is applied to the unit during that time, but that won't make it move neither |
| 14:36.15 | JademusSreg | Triggering unit should be the source (barracks) in that context, I'd expect. |
| 14:36.22 | Ahli | it's still working fine, if the unti hasn't reached the archer, yet |
| 14:36.25 | evily | okay. |
| 14:36.54 | JademusSreg | Ahli, is it failing if the enemy unit is within X range of the caster? |
| 14:38.04 | Ahli | I assume that it is failing if the unit is doing something other than moving or idling |
| 14:39.04 | evily | well im just confirming that triggering unit was in fact the barracks. ty :) |
| 14:39.07 | JademusSreg | Is this true with RepulserField as well? Good litmus test. |
| 14:40.16 | Ahli | I can try keep ordering stop to the unit |
| 14:40.25 | Ahli | like repuler field |
| 14:41.15 | JademusSreg | Wow, a stop order can resist the repulser field? Apply Force effectiveness has seriously been reduced. =\ |
| 14:41.58 | JademusSreg | Though that may be an improvement over the inability to issue unit orders that previously plagued force effects. |
| 14:41.59 | Ahli | you misunderstand me |
| 14:42.08 | JademusSreg | Yes, I have a habit of that. =D |
| 14:42.10 | Ahli | repulser field is only spamming stop orders to the unit |
| 14:42.34 | Ahli | repulser field doesn't do anything besides spamming stop and force effect |
| 14:42.55 | JademusSreg | Well, that certainly makes sense. |
| 14:43.23 | JademusSreg | Not an elegant solution, by any means. |
| 14:43.28 | Ahli | indeed |
| 14:44.01 | Ahli | we require the old move unit trigger effect... it was perfect |
| 14:44.15 | Ahli | or a teleport effect that can exactly like that |
| 14:44.18 | Ahli | *act |
| 14:44.23 | JademusSreg | Hmmmm. |
| 14:45.53 | JademusSreg | I wonder if a Teleport effect would be effective here. |
| 14:46.46 | JademusSreg | I've not used them, but perhaps it would work well for knockback. |
| 14:47.35 | Ahli | they have the same issue as move unit has now: cancels projectiles |
| 14:48.11 | Ahli | one thing I can imagine could work would be creating a persistent before launching a missile that keeps redirecting the missile to the target unit |
| 14:48.18 | JademusSreg | I was only half-reading that discussion before; in what sense does it cancel the projectile? |
| 14:48.29 | JademusSreg | Terminates it entirely? |
| 14:48.34 | JademusSreg | Poof? |
| 14:48.57 | Ahli | like a blink stalker dodging marauder missiles |
| 14:49.16 | Ahli | missile explodes at target point, impact effect is created with null as target unit |
| 14:49.28 | JademusSreg | Makes sense. |
| 14:49.41 | Ahli | it had to be coded in like that :< |
| 14:50.01 | JademusSreg | I wonder if that applies to all non-smart missiles. |
| 14:50.10 | Ahli | what's a smart missile? |
| 14:50.14 | JademusSreg | Or if it is related to the mover. |
| 14:50.30 | JademusSreg | A smart missile is one that has additional behaviors/effects to guide it. |
| 14:50.55 | Ahli | missiles lock on the target via guidance |
| 14:51.59 | evily | hm. i have another question. sorry if i ask too much. but i cant figure out how to increase the range at which a barracks will spawn a unit. for example if its sourrounded by units, it will stop at some point. so i want to increase the range at which attempt to place newly trained units, if that makes sense. |
| 14:52.14 | JademusSreg | So missiles in the guidance move phase targetting a unit get cancelled? That would make sense. |
| 14:52.56 | Ahli | evily: adjust range in train ability |
| 14:53.12 | evily | ah... |
| 14:53.17 | evily | tyvm.. |
| 14:53.48 | JademusSreg | I wonder if there is a range slop in relevant effects or mover for it. For instance, does a Seeker Missile bug out if its target blinks or is moved via trigger? |
| 14:54.27 | Ahli | yes |
| 14:54.36 | JademusSreg | If the seeker missile doesn't bug for blink, but does for a triggered move of the same distance, then that's pretty fucked. |
| 14:54.53 | JademusSreg | If it bugs for both regardless of distance, that's double fucked. |
| 14:55.00 | Ahli | it used to bug for blink and I assume that it kept working for move unit |
| 14:55.38 | JademusSreg | Gonna test these. |
| 14:57.49 | evily | wiered. for some reason increasing that range from 2 to 8 didnt work. marines still stop spawning if barracks is sorrounded by 1 layer |
| 14:58.21 | Ahli | what happens if you use 500? |
| 14:58.34 | evily | ima try |
| 14:59.43 | Ahli | but this is something I saw on reddit... someone blocked his gateway spawning after the patch with 4 surrounding gateways and stated that this was working before the patch |
| 15:00.42 | Ahli | so, it could be that it ignores spawn range atm due to a bug o0 |
| 15:02.50 | evily | well even with 500 it will stop |
| 15:03.39 | Ahli | ok, can you post that in this forum? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/8126900/ |
| 15:04.02 | JademusSreg | So a Stalker targetted with a SeekerMissile effect will no longer be targetted by the Seeker Missile if it blinks, even if it blinks into the trajectory of the missile; it utterly loses the unit reference. =D |
| 15:04.03 | Ahli | with all info you have and describe the problem... maybe a screenshot of your building placement, too |
| 15:04.20 | Ahli | yes, JademusSreg, it always did |
| 15:04.27 | JademusSreg | That is bizarre. |
| 15:04.37 | Ahli | that's hardcoded dodging |
| 15:04.46 | Ahli | and now move does tha same |
| 15:04.51 | Ahli | *mov eunit |
| 15:04.52 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 15:05.32 | JademusSreg | So by making it behave more consistently, the patch has broken functionality that had existed as an alternative to losing target unit references. |
| 15:10.14 | JademusSreg | But yeah, had to test it myself; it would be remiss of me to not challenge assumptions, especially following a patch. |
| 15:22.42 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I just don't see a general case solution besides the approach used by repulser fields. |
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| 15:27.17 | Bounty | >.< |
| 15:27.35 | Vail | whats wrong bounty? |
| 15:27.56 | Bounty | Nothing? |
| 15:28.30 | Vail | ok thats good |
| 15:28.38 | Bounty | All of my maps are broken though |
| 15:28.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 15:28.49 | Vail | ah thats bad' |
| 15:29.02 | Bounty | Yep, oh well |
| 15:29.28 | Ahli | most maps are broken in one or the other way |
| 15:29.57 | JademusSreg | Funny, we were just discussing the cause. =D |
| 15:29.59 | Bounty | Yeah but mine are things that should not be broke, like WASD |
| 15:30.23 | JademusSreg | Well, the move thing, not the wasd. |
| 15:30.38 | JademusSreg | Though no one else has had trouble with that. |
| 15:30.40 | Ahli | http://www.staredit.net/345502/ made a list with a lot of problems/fixes |
| 15:30.47 | Bounty | and the static sound in Haunted Forest is broke |
| 15:30.57 | Bounty | it wont stop, even though there is a trigger that stops it |
| 15:31.24 | Ahli | it's in the list with blizzard guy explaining that it is broken |
| 15:31.42 | Ahli | Stop all Trigger Sounds Bug, this? |
| 15:31.57 | Bounty | yeah |
| 15:32.01 | Bounty | ill let them deal with it |
| 15:32.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 15:32.16 | Bounty | but thats good that its on their end |
| 15:33.01 | Ahli | broken actors on the other hand are on our end =/ |
| 15:33.48 | Bounty | That did not happen with any of my maps |
| 15:33.57 | Bounty | Thankfully |
| 15:34.19 | Ahli | do you use height changes on units? |
| 15:34.37 | Bounty | on Gnolls VS Trolls i did |
| 15:34.40 | Bounty | still works fine |
| 15:34.49 | Ahli | ok, if death model is the correct one |
| 15:35.12 | Ahli | they track the state and that somehow can alter the death model |
| 15:36.16 | Ahli | had all of my units die with low death models because of that =/ |
| 15:36.20 | evily | can i ask a quick question?:) anybody can point me in the direction of where to remove the tiny flash around a unit when training completes, and also the sound that comes? with auto-spawning this becomes annoying fast |
| 15:36.38 | Ahli | remove the alert |
| 15:36.45 | Ahli | in train ability |
| 15:36.45 | Bounty | i also love how they broke colored text |
| 15:36.52 | Bounty | that one made me chuckle |
| 15:37.03 | Ahli | at least they implemented a way to fix it after breaking it in hots |
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| 15:37.45 | Ahli | now they got the same problem for buttons :D |
| 15:37.52 | Ahli | but I found a fix |
| 15:37.53 | Bounty | are they going to fix the colored text issue? |
| 15:38.02 | Ahli | it is fixed |
| 15:38.06 | Ahli | you need to use automatic |
| 15:38.15 | Bounty | what? |
| 15:38.15 | Ahli | default value before patch was white which makes everything white now |
| 15:38.25 | A1win | it makes more sense this way for texts, but it's not a good thing that they changed it this late ;p |
| 15:38.37 | Ahli | The problem is that pre 2.0.4 every label uses the "White" color by default. Actions added before the patch still have the white setting while the label requires to use "Automatic" color to allow color changes within the label's text via color tags. |
| 15:38.54 | Bounty | no idea what that means |
| 15:38.56 | Bounty | lol |
| 15:39.02 | Ahli | Create laben includes "White" |
| 15:39.09 | Bounty | what was wrong with text that needed to be changed? it worked fine |
| 15:39.12 | Ahli | not it uses "Automatic" to behave like that |
| 15:39.15 | A1win | now the dialog item color actually changes the text's color, before 2.0.4 it didn't |
| 15:39.28 | Ahli | before it was bugged/wrong because it did not enforce white |
| 15:39.32 | Bounty | Why would they do that? |
| 15:39.54 | Bounty | I dont understand how that is a good change? lol |
| 15:40.07 | A1win | you don't need tags to change the color now |
| 15:40.10 | Ahli | now you can enforce white while before you couldn't |
| 15:40.27 | Ahli | I think everything else besides white enforced it before the patch |
| 15:40.28 | A1win | *enforce any color |
| 15:40.35 | A1win | oh |
| 15:40.39 | A1win | that's weird ;p |
| 15:40.41 | Ahli | but I'm not sure |
| 15:40.48 | Bounty | Yeah but how else are you supposed to change the color of single words in a sentence |
| 15:40.57 | A1win | you can still use tags |
| 15:41.12 | A1win | you just need to set the color of the dialog item to Automatic |
| 15:41.13 | Ahli | use tags, use automatic |
| 15:41.17 | Bounty | apparently not bc they are not working |
| 15:41.31 | Bounty | so there is a new trigger action? |
| 15:41.35 | Ahli | http://www.staredit.net/topic/15810/unread/#special first in list has link to 2 possible ways to fix it in your map |
| 15:41.35 | Bounty | to set it to automatic? |
| 15:41.37 | A1win | no, a new preset |
| 15:41.41 | A1win | in the colors |
| 15:42.48 | A1win | though the Automatic preset only seemed to appear in the "create dialog item (label)" action, not in "set dialog item color" :E |
| 15:42.53 | A1win | so dunno what that's about |
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| 15:43.14 | twodie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUAXMTiwDz4 |
| 15:43.36 | Ahli | automatic is no real color... it's color with alpha with parameters of 0 in RGB and alpha |
| 15:44.41 | A1win | oh, so it just sets the color to fully transparent? |
| 15:45.12 | Ahli | might be that... don't know what it does exactly |
| 15:45.57 | Ahli | I would assume it's just hardcoded into it to bypass the color, if that thing is used |
| 15:48.46 | A1win | oh right if it's created with the generic "Create Dialog Item" action, it's set to Automatic by default anyway |
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| 15:59.15 | Ahli | repulser field doesn't work for me neither :S |
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| 16:03.24 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 16:03.49 | JademusSreg | How vital is it that missiles not lose their targets? =D |
| 16:05.36 | Kubi | Don't they just go to where the last known spot was and blow up |
| 16:07.36 | JademusSreg | Yeah, most missiles have a fallback point. |
| 16:07.52 | JademusSreg | Of course, the trouble is making a general case solution. |
| 16:08.20 | JademusSreg | That is to say a solution that works with standard data automagically. |
| 16:08.46 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTP9tBSZTEg (ChanmanV, LivinPink, EGMachine and Tempo playing Gnolls VS Trolls for 2 hours) lol |
| 16:08.50 | JademusSreg | A non-general case solution is to make all missiles deal area damage in some capacity. |
| 16:09.47 | Ahli | saw it live :D |
| 16:10.34 | Bounty | They seemed to enjoy it, to bad they could not do a 7v7 |
| 16:10.49 | Ahli | it's not super vital, but it's very annoying for one hero, as one of his spells is supposed to help him instead of making the enemy unit invincible to his weapon attacks |
| 16:11.36 | Kubi | wtf is gnolls and trolls |
| 16:12.32 | Ahli | some map made by bounty within a few days and funky colors, if I remember it correctly |
| 16:13.05 | JademusSreg | Ahli, how do you feel about making its missiles deal area damage instead of damage on a specifc unit? =D |
| 16:13.20 | Ahli | not good |
| 16:13.39 | Ahli | because spells exist that make units stack on a point |
| 16:14.21 | JademusSreg | Max count 1. |
| 16:14.23 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 16:14.30 | Ahli | I could just launch every unit |
| 16:14.40 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 16:14.42 | Ahli | it just looks horrible |
| 16:15.30 | JademusSreg | Perhaps the aesthetic problems could be worked out with actor wizardry, but breaking gameplay is the greater of two evils here. |
| 16:22.48 | G0A | hey Ahli http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7978988437?page=1#3 :) |
| 16:24.26 | Ahli | ^^ |
| 16:25.00 | Ahli | I had a "few" questions after reading their thing |
| 16:29.00 | JademusSreg | Ah, so one is not permitted to ban players? |
| 16:29.03 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 16:30.12 | Ahli | well, they can start the map by themselves... just not play it... it's not clear what they mean |
| 16:31.21 | JademusSreg | In any case, that prohibition can be circumvented; you strongly encourage them to stop joining. =D |
| 16:31.35 | Ahli | ya |
| 16:31.53 | Ahli | but you could just make their screen black with a dialog, or play static sounds the whole time |
| 16:32.03 | Ahli | or spin the things on their UI |
| 16:32.18 | Ahli | just to annoy them instead of banning |
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| 16:32.49 | JademusSreg | For instance, a moderator was behaving like an asshole, so it suddenly found itself unable to chat in game and its name changed to Trolled From Above. |
| 16:32.56 | PrettyAwesome | hello |
| 16:33.11 | PrettyAwesome | Can anyone help me with something really simple? I'm about to pull hairs out. |
| 16:33.22 | Ahli | too many meta information |
| 16:33.27 | PrettyAwesome | I want to change the texture of one of the decal.m3's |
| 16:33.45 | PrettyAwesome | Any tutorials on it are ultra vague and assumes that you know the editor really well |
| 16:34.08 | ckSynergy | morning |
| 16:34.18 | PrettyAwesome | Im doing a cutscene intro for Western Wolves and I need to get some of the sponsor logos in and the video done by the 31st. :S |
| 16:34.22 | JademusSreg | What are you attempting to accomplish, Pret? |
| 16:34.54 | PrettyAwesome | Basically I want to have sponser logos appear on the terrain |
| 16:35.13 | JademusSreg | You're doomed. |
| 16:35.13 | PrettyAwesome | I already ave the .dds texture imported |
| 16:35.15 | Ahli | "Corporations, limited liability companies, partnerships, etc., donors cannot be listed in the credits section of a Custom Game; only individuals may be listed;" is he allowed to name them, then? |
| 16:35.34 | PrettyAwesome | How so?? I saw some pople on the forums do it |
| 16:35.42 | JademusSreg | Not that it isn't possible, but Blizzard will certainly drop the hammer on you. |
| 16:36.01 | PrettyAwesome | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/49867307/Overlays/ingamelogo6.jpg |
| 16:36.07 | JademusSreg | I recall a map with a shoe store advertisement in the loading screen getting banned. |
| 16:36.23 | PrettyAwesome | Its not sometihng that will go up on the actual bnet |
| 16:36.38 | PrettyAwesome | They are making a montage video. I'm doing a cutscene in the cutscene editor |
| 16:36.44 | ckSynergy | lol wut? |
| 16:36.58 | PrettyAwesome | As an intro for them to include logos. THat photo is an example of what I want to do |
| 16:37.03 | ckSynergy | a shoe advertise? |
| 16:37.12 | JademusSreg | Ah, well, if it flies under the radar, you'll be fine. But consider this the warning at the gates of the underworld. |
| 16:37.12 | PrettyAwesome | No. xD |
| 16:37.50 | ckSynergy | Hey Ahli you have a second? |
| 16:37.54 | PrettyAwesome | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pTI_er6fTeg#t=29s That is what I want to do specifially |
| 16:38.08 | JademusSreg | Anyway, there are tutorials on mapster for texture swapping. |
| 16:38.13 | Ahli | sorry, I do not own or control time... |
| 16:38.16 | PrettyAwesome | And none are descriptive |
| 16:38.20 | PrettyAwesome | I've googled for over 2 hours |
| 16:38.22 | ckSynergy | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/gui/49114-custom-ui-black-bar-messed-up-by-new-patch/ - Tried your UI code in a fresh mod file, didnt fly |
| 16:38.51 | Ahli | mapster not loading |
| 16:39.06 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 16:39.07 | ckSynergy | <ConsoleWorldBottomOffset val="0"/> |
| 16:39.10 | ckSynergy | simplified lol |
| 16:39.11 | Ahli | ok, testing |
| 16:39.19 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/20772-data-actor-events-message-texture-select-by-id/ |
| 16:39.19 | Ahli | works for me in maps |
| 16:39.21 | ckSynergy | (obviously with the included wrap text) |
| 16:39.27 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 16:39.41 | ckSynergy | so, you have a basic layout file, with the xml, the desc, and frame |
| 16:39.46 | ckSynergy | and that little code snippit |
| 16:39.51 | ckSynergy | and it doesnt throw any errors? |
| 16:40.09 | JademusSreg | Pret, the above link may be of use to you. |
| 16:40.28 | PrettyAwesome | Jademus. I get suck with bringing up the preview model |
| 16:40.34 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 16:40.36 | Ahli | what's the error you get? |
| 16:40.45 | Ahli | I get no errors |
| 16:40.54 | PrettyAwesome | I cant figure out how to do it. THe hortcut hotkeys dont bring it up either |
| 16:41.14 | ckSynergy | failed to load included Desc file |
| 16:41.32 | Ahli | you said something with mod, did you put that into a mod? |
| 16:41.49 | JademusSreg | Not sure what you mean, Pret. |
| 16:41.53 | ckSynergy | its in a new mod, yes |
| 16:42.01 | ckSynergy | just to play around with UI stuff |
| 16:42.16 | ckSynergy | afk a min |
| 16:42.18 | PrettyAwesome | "You will also need to use the Previewer, which can be opened with Ctrl + Shift + V, or by going to the menu Data -> Preview Model. " I cant get past that part |
| 16:42.25 | Ahli | maybe it doesn't work in mods used in maps... maybe UI stuff only works in interfaces for observers and maps? |
| 16:42.42 | JademusSreg | Changed to the cutscene editor. |
| 16:42.43 | Ahli | cutscene editor |
| 16:43.24 | JademusSreg | The Previewer was replaced with the Cutscene Editor in patch 1.5. |
| 16:43.51 | JademusSreg | Performs the same functions, but with More Stuff. |
| 16:43.53 | PrettyAwesome | Yeah, I have the cutscene editor open with a splat placed on the terrain |
| 16:44.30 | JademusSreg | Enable the model properties frame. |
| 16:44.56 | PrettyAwesome | http://puu.sh/27Ehm this? |
| 16:44.58 | Ahli | select the model in the bottom left area and press shift + D to open the model's details to check the materials to get the texture names |
| 16:45.17 | PrettyAwesome | Ok. In that menu |
| 16:45.57 | ckSynergy | back |
| 16:46.21 | ckSynergy | Ahli: I havent had a problem modifying other game UI elements before |
| 16:46.46 | ckSynergy | do you define the layout file in the gameplay data tab? |
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| 16:46.52 | Ahli | look into gameUI, there is the property... you should be able to alter it as any other property, too |
| 16:46.56 | Ahli | no |
| 16:47.02 | Ahli | just add layout to UI module |
| 16:47.34 | Ahli | gameplay tab only requires your own custom layouts that you import into the editor in via import module |
| 16:48.10 | ckSynergy | hmmm, I wonder why it's not working then |
| 16:48.35 | Ahli | try to place that into your map |
| 16:48.46 | hobbidude | whats the best way of limiting range on an instant effect projectile with a throw mover? |
| 16:50.00 | ckSynergy | I dont think there is a "best way". Either set the projectile speed, use a persistent, or set the offsets in the missile effect |
| 16:51.47 | JademusSreg | hob, timeout. |
| 16:51.51 | hobbidude | im finding that offsets isn't working reliably |
| 16:51.56 | JademusSreg | It's in the mover. |
| 16:52.11 | hobbidude | thats in seconds? |
| 16:52.14 | hobbidude | or range? |
| 16:52.19 | JademusSreg | Seconds. |
| 16:52.29 | JademusSreg | Game time seconds. =D |
| 16:52.40 | hobbidude | damn i don't things that accurate enough |
| 16:52.49 | hobbidude | need a range max of 15 |
| 16:52.57 | JademusSreg | What's its speed? |
| 16:53.07 | ckSynergy | hmm looks like GameUI is a locked desc |
| 16:53.10 | hobbidude | 18 |
| 16:53.22 | hobbidude | its timeout going to be accurate enough |
| 16:53.33 | hobbidude | is srry |
| 16:53.43 | JademusSreg | So it's timeout is 0.833 seconds. |
| 16:53.57 | JademusSreg | *its |
| 16:54.19 | ckSynergy | >.> and now its not throwing an error. weird lol. |
| 16:54.38 | hobbidude | oh jade ty for that multi mover idea but i ended up going mulitple movers |
| 16:54.48 | JademusSreg | No worries. |
| 16:55.10 | hobbidude | i found that mulit phase still targeted in 3d |
| 16:55.58 | ckSynergy | and now its working lol |
| 16:56.06 | JademusSreg | Anyway, either timeout of range/speed or it needs a suicidal behavior that uses a distance validator. |
| 16:56.19 | ckSynergy | didnt change anything, just resaved... |
| 16:56.45 | hobbidude | oh here another question: using an instant effect and launch a missile is its possible to grab the mouse position to use as the target point at the time the ability is used? |
| 16:57.40 | JademusSreg | Triggers. |
| 16:58.02 | hobbidude | Frak |
| 16:58.32 | Ahli | what the f*ck does round integer do? |
| 16:58.41 | hobbidude | rounds it |
| 16:58.44 | hobbidude | lol |
| 16:58.46 | Ahli | integer |
| 16:58.47 | Bounty | lololol |
| 16:58.51 | JademusSreg | That's almost certainly trigger territory. Few data interact with cursors, such as actors, and those are asynchronous. |
| 16:58.51 | Ahli | return value? |
| 16:58.52 | hobbidude | up from the decimal |
| 16:59.06 | hobbidude | ie doesn;t return decimals |
| 16:59.12 | Ahli | oh yeah :D |
| 16:59.20 | Bounty | Has anyone noticed how every map maker that has been on Wednesday Night Sprites has been lame? |
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| 16:59.26 | hobbidude | you looking at the same post i am :) |
| 16:59.30 | ckSynergy | uhhhh |
| 16:59.41 | PrettyAwesome | For the custom textures thin, is this right? http://puu.sh/27EFw How do I get to the part of actually chanign them now? |
| 16:59.43 | ckSynergy | round integer is probably a depreciated value |
| 16:59.47 | Ahli | param is real... I just asumed it was integer :D |
| 17:00.12 | ckSynergy | unless it can be used on a real number |
| 17:00.16 | ckSynergy | rm int number |
| 17:01.23 | Ahli | I guess that guy just uses integer arithmetics instead of real arithmetics: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/49281-variables-why-doesnt-this-math-equation-work/?post=1 |
| 17:01.38 | PrettyAwesome | http://puu.sh/27EIl Is expression filename and slot for like "main.diffuse" form that tutoria;? |
| 17:01.39 | Ahli | indicator is "100" |
| 17:02.05 | Ahli | normal people are only able to get 100.0 there I believe |
| 17:03.02 | hobbidude | its debug was wrong anyways and alone would have told him |
| 17:03.14 | PrettyAwesome | :< |
| 17:04.37 | Ahli | the whole first post makes no sense... talks about string |
| 17:05.23 | hobbidude | i think its just bad use of terms |
| 17:05.47 | JademusSreg | Bounty, what's WedNightSprites? |
| 17:05.53 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTP9tBSZTEg |
| 17:06.03 | Bounty | a cast ChanmanV does with livinpink and EGMachine |
| 17:06.18 | JademusSreg | I don't want to watch it, I want a humrously scathing synposis so I don't have to bother. |
| 17:06.20 | Ahli | chanmanV playing with some other people including pro player EG Machine and musician Temp0 |
| 17:06.31 | JademusSreg | *humorously =D |
| 17:06.35 | Ahli | and a female |
| 17:06.45 | Bounty | female is there just for be female |
| 17:06.49 | Bounty | to be* |
| 17:06.50 | JademusSreg | Token. |
| 17:06.52 | Bounty | lol |
| 17:07.23 | Bounty | they said they want to have me on bc they've played like 4 of my maps already |
| 17:07.38 | Bounty | I know that every mapper they have had on just sound and talk like complete douches |
| 17:07.41 | Ahli | yeah, tell me when you go on, will watch it :D |
| 17:07.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 17:08.12 | Bounty | Would be a big moment for me, my first time being heard |
| 17:08.20 | hobbidude | lol |
| 17:08.36 | hobbidude | known or heard? |
| 17:08.41 | Ahli | after your complains about sc2streamster thingy |
| 17:08.49 | Bounty | If i do it i should do it in a fake german accent or something the entire time, can't be a SC2 map maker without some sort of accent |
| 17:08.49 | Ahli | finally you can have your big moment on stage |
| 17:09.12 | Bounty | I am not sure I could do it though, i curse a lot |
| 17:09.17 | hobbidude | comb and wax paper |
| 17:09.23 | hobbidude | accent |
| 17:09.34 | Bounty | Just waiting on him to get in contact with me, they said they will try to get ahold of me |
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| 17:11.10 | Vail | i hate that i have to wait 16 days to work on my project again |
| 17:11.38 | Vail | 17 maybe |
| 17:11.53 | Bounty | pew |
| 17:11.56 | hobbidude | i hate blizzard sucks ballz |
| 17:12.01 | Bounty | ^ |
| 17:12.05 | Bounty | dey broke mah maps |
| 17:12.21 | Bounty | except Gnolls VS Trolls |
| 17:12.30 | Bounty | which is ironically the map they wanted me to finish so they could feature |
| 17:12.35 | Bounty | i smell conspiracy |
| 17:12.38 | Vail | broke mine too good thing they are just proof of conecept maps that never get published |
| 17:13.29 | Ahli | they didn't break much in my diablo map :> |
| 17:13.50 | Ahli | just labels and death anims |
| 17:13.57 | Bounty | I should change Gnolls VS Trolls name to Dingos VS Hobos with Tusks |
| 17:14.14 | Bounty | How much do you want to bet it would get played more |
| 17:14.14 | Ahli | that name is worse |
| 17:14.21 | hobbidude | ya |
| 17:14.23 | Bounty | I bet you it would get played more with that name |
| 17:14.33 | hobbidude | the first rolls of the tongue better |
| 17:14.34 | Bounty | How could you not see that name and want to see what it is |
| 17:14.35 | Vail | probably would |
| 17:15.01 | Ahli | look at top played, most things are in sc2 following the sc2 themes |
| 17:15.06 | Ahli | with sc2 models |
| 17:15.18 | hobbidude | kolbold? |
| 17:15.32 | Bounty | Mafia? |
| 17:15.34 | Ahli | kobold and mafia not |
| 17:15.55 | hobbidude | fuck that shit what else is there to play |
| 17:16.06 | twodie | what effect to use in target effect ability to make unit to go to unit and fuck his brains out with some waiting near him? |
| 17:16.07 | Ahli | never played those maps ;D |
| 17:16.30 | hobbidude | use a buff |
| 17:16.35 | Bounty | Well, enough people played Mafia to the point he got 10k in donations lol |
| 17:16.51 | Bounty | I'm still butthurt about that |
| 17:17.01 | twodie | hobbidude lol |
| 17:17.05 | twodie | its ability! |
| 17:17.06 | Ahli | wow :D |
| 17:17.46 | hobbidude | oh i thought you'v want it containly on and attracting to everything it every passes |
| 17:18.01 | hobbidude | ever |
| 17:25.10 | twodie | http://www.imdb.com/news/ni47700104/?ref_=hm_nw_tp_t1 |
| 17:26.16 | Fate | hey i have problems with the sc2mapster passwort reset |
| 17:26.41 | evily | when you train a unit, it makes a sound, and it flashes the ring around it. where do i change that? is that on the unit itself? |
| 17:26.50 | hobbidude | you spelling your email right? lol |
| 17:27.03 | Fate | ofc |
| 17:27.13 | Fate | i get a email with a link |
| 17:27.25 | Fate | but the linkt links me to this page |
| 17:27.33 | Fate | https://www.sc2mapster.com/home/login/ |
| 17:29.21 | Fate | ahh |
| 17:29.25 | Fate | nevermind |
| 17:32.26 | evily | hm i really need to disable the sound zerglings make when they hatch. how can i do that? |
| 17:33.10 | hobbidude | delete the sounds or do in in actors |
| 17:34.31 | A1win | remove the actor event that plays the sound, just need to find it first... |
| 17:34.45 | evily | thanks, i used the actors |
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| 17:36.21 | evily | i set the sound birth to none but the sound is still there:/ |
| 17:37.07 | evily | wait. theres something called Ready as well. gonna set that to none. |
| 17:37.23 | evily | there we go. thanks :) |
| 17:37.25 | A1win | yeah ready is the sound a unit spawns when it's trained |
| 17:37.32 | A1win | err |
| 17:37.35 | A1win | makes |
| 17:41.40 | evily | ;) |
| 17:42.14 | evily | i cant belive how much time ive spent making maps the last few days |
| 17:42.25 | evily | its addictive |
| 17:43.44 | hobbidude | yup |
| 17:43.50 | hobbidude | welcome to the club |
| 17:44.57 | A1win | I've sometimes spent a week or two just by mapping, sleeping only when I'm too tired to stay up and waking up without an alarm clock after like 4-5 hours and continue x_X |
| 17:47.34 | Fate | how was the lastseen command? |
| 17:47.39 | Kubi | I saw breaking dawn |
| 17:47.41 | Kubi | not bad |
| 17:47.48 | Kubi | if you put the stupid story behind |
| 17:47.54 | Kubi | the battle scenes were interesting |
| 17:52.02 | twodie | what is in ability effect target "smart validators" |
| 17:52.04 | twodie | field |
| 17:52.55 | A1win | smart click is right-click, so if the ability has the Smart flag enabled, the validators define when right-click is allowed to cast that ability |
| 17:59.26 | PrettyAwesome | I still cant figure out the textres thing after like 2hours... |
| 17:59.47 | evily | hm. does anyone know why when i press play on my published map it never enters the lobby? |
| 18:00.17 | evily | other maps it looks like it automatically creates a game |
| 18:00.35 | A1win | maps have the skip lobby option enabled by default |
| 18:00.53 | evily | i see |
| 18:01.02 | evily | do you know where to find it? |
| 18:01.20 | PrettyAwesome | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/20772-data-actor-events-message-texture-select-by-id/ I'm trying to do this tutorial, but I cant seem to get it to work and keep getting lost. Is there any kind perosn who can helo walk me through this via PM/Skype? |
| 18:02.01 | evily | guessing its the Hide Battle.net lobby thing |
| 18:02.05 | A1win | Map - Options |
| 18:02.16 | A1win | Map - Map Options that is |
| 18:02.25 | A1win | yeah |
| 18:02.26 | PrettyAwesome | I'm doing an intro cinematic for the Western Wolves team and am trying to place logos on the terrain for the opening cinematic. ITs a video for WWSting. |
| 18:04.08 | PrettyAwesome | I will ahve the babies of anyone who can lend a hand. :) |
| 18:05.01 | hobbidude | do you have any issues with over-writing decals? |
| 18:05.19 | JademusSreg | Ever-busy. |
| 18:06.26 | hobbidude | hey jade my projectiles sometimes squish when firing at random angles... any ideas ogf hand what causes this? |
| 18:06.31 | PrettyAwesome | Lods of them. I'm pretty new to the editor |
| 18:06.41 | PrettyAwesome | Loads* |
| 18:06.47 | JademusSreg | Squish? |
| 18:06.50 | hobbidude | ya |
| 18:06.55 | hobbidude | or stretch |
| 18:06.56 | Kubi | [11:16] <Bounty> Well, enough people played Mafia to the point he got 10k in donations lol |
| 18:06.58 | Kubi | I call bullshit |
| 18:07.05 | PrettyAwesome | And that tutorial is more for the Intermedite and up people. |
| 18:07.12 | JademusSreg | Dunno what you mean, hob. |
| 18:07.31 | JademusSreg | Soundsl ike your model or actor scale is not set, |
| 18:07.50 | JademusSreg | If there is any gap in max and min scale, it will do that. |
| 18:09.19 | Kubi | most the time you shouldn't have to create a model in the data unless you make one yourelf, importing a new model, OR creating a model for a asset in the game that is not covered by one |
| 18:14.05 | hobbidude | see http://imgur.com/K07SlVn vs http://imgur.com/OdsUYp1. Its only does it for this unit too. |
| 18:14.29 | hobbidude | scale is fine |
| 18:16.08 | PrettyAwesome | Followed the Tut and nothing. http://puu.sh/27GYF |
| 18:17.16 | PrettyAwesome | Why does Blizzard have to make the most annoying editor ever. And I thought Hammer was annyoing. xD |
| 18:21.58 | hobbidude | http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ |
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| 18:25.13 | A1win | PrettyAwesome, have you considered that maybe the tutorial is not flawless |
| 18:25.50 | PrettyAwesome | yes |
| 18:26.35 | twodie | how to validate the ability from using it |
| 18:26.46 | twodie | auto cast and smart click is fine |
| 18:27.05 | twodie | but when using the ability it does those effects still |
| 18:29.11 | A1win | JademusSreg, I haven't thought about combat enough from the scientist players' point of view, what do they actually do when zerg appear on their ship and start eating their workers D: they somehow need to survive until the mercenary players come to help them out :P |
| 18:29.52 | A1win | having blast doors that take a while to break might work but seems a bit meh, at least if there's nothing else to it |
| 18:30.15 | JademusSreg | MacGyver. |
| 18:32.20 | A1win | or hmm |
| 18:32.33 | A1win | maybe the ships have automated turrets that kill some of them, but will eventually die o: |
| 18:32.59 | A1win | err... that'd mean the zerg would have an infinite spawn point in the ship that the mercs need to destroy |
| 18:33.03 | A1win | dunno if that's a good idea |
| 18:35.47 | A1win | hmm, doesn't need to be infinite, just long enough that the zerg has time to do good damage to the turrets |
| 18:36.03 | A1win | then if all mercs are dead, the scientists can still have a chance of survival if they have upgraded their defenses well enough |
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| 18:46.41 | Repo | New experimental map: Brood mother - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/brood-mother/ |
| 18:46.50 | Repo | New map: Meteorite Magic - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/meteorite-magic/ |
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| 18:50.36 | PrettyAwesome | Anyone here know about texture replacing? |
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| 19:12.50 | PrettyAwesome | hola |
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| 19:21.58 | PrettyAwesome | gello |
| 19:50.37 | twodie | Question |
| 19:50.48 | twodie | where is answer?!?! |
| 19:51.22 | twodie | removing behavior stack one by one does it will do effect final multiple times? |
| 19:51.25 | twodie | like 5 stacks |
| 19:51.37 | twodie | 5 final effect done |
| 20:02.07 | JademusSreg | Test it. |
| 20:03.17 | twodie | yeah making the chain now |
| 20:04.21 | JademusSreg | I doubt it will, though. |
| 20:08.31 | twodie | Well works fine ^^ |
| 20:08.39 | twodie | but now need to make uniteruttable |
| 20:08.51 | twodie | uninteruptible |
| 20:09.03 | JademusSreg | So final fires on the expiration of each stack? |
| 20:09.10 | twodie | yeah |
| 20:09.15 | JademusSreg | Interesting. |
| 20:09.24 | JademusSreg | Good to know. =D |
| 20:18.06 | twodie | how to make it to channel all those periods before the autocast redericts after first stack remove |
| 20:18.50 | twodie | hey |
| 20:18.53 | twodie | hey anyone |
| 20:18.55 | twodie | helllo |
| 20:18.56 | twodie | hey |
| 20:18.58 | twodie | hi |
| 20:19.00 | twodie | HIGH! |
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| 20:38.12 | A1win | :O I could make a copy of my ship list UI to the right side of the screen to use as ship room list / mercenary squad unit list |
| 20:40.27 | A1win | and I will, awesome |
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| 21:04.43 | ThunderLord | Hey does anyone have any idea why my images lose some quality when i save them as .dds? and is there a way i can prevent that from happening |
| 21:05.29 | ThunderLord | should i use a differant file compression or somthing? |
| 21:09.16 | Ahli | do you use gimp? |
| 21:14.12 | ThunderLord | yeh |
| 21:14.15 | ThunderLord | i have photoshop too |
| 21:14.19 | ThunderLord | i tried it in both |
| 21:14.56 | ThunderLord | is it the compression? can i just not compress it and have it still work in starcraft? |
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| 21:17.10 | Triceron | so this new battlenet ui for SC2 |
| 21:17.21 | Triceron | how do I play custom maps solo? |
| 21:17.38 | Ahli | browse, create? |
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| 21:19.24 | Triceron | browse lets me see what maps are already there? |
| 21:19.36 | Triceron | I don't seem to have a way to navigate to a local folder |
| 21:20.22 | Triceron | only melee maps show up when I go to 'Browse' |
| 21:21.43 | Triceron | the map I have isn't uploaded on bnet |
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| 21:24.05 | ploynian | hello all? |
| 21:24.20 | ploynian | my new problem is related to tinting. |
| 21:24.48 | ploynian | I am using a Natural Gas model and stretching it to have some kind of Mist/Cloud-looking spell effect |
| 21:25.02 | ploynian | The original color of this thing is Green. |
| 21:25.22 | ploynian | I can Tint it to Red with no problem, but I need it to actually be BLUE. Somehow, it won't let me do so. Any ideas? |
| 21:26.58 | Ahli | texture select by ID |
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| 21:29.31 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/j/SC2%202013-02-24%2023-28-35-16.jpg |
| 21:32.26 | ploynian | ahli, what is 'texture select by ID' ? |
| 21:33.03 | Triceron | its swapping textures using Data |
| 21:33.17 | Ahli | http://www.staredit.net/topic/15068/ that, just the cutscene editor has been changed |
| 21:33.50 | Ahli | to read the model data, add the model/file into it, select it in the middle left, select it in the bottom left, press shift+D |
| 21:34.34 | Ahli | as you can see, zealot texture on marines doesn't look too bad :D |
| 21:36.08 | PrettyAwesome | Wait are people talking about texture swapping? |
| 21:36.28 | A1win | tinting only removes color, it doesn't add it |
| 21:36.52 | A1win | so if the texture has no blue in it at all, you can't tint it blue |
| 21:37.04 | A1win | (pure white has 100% blue for example) |
| 21:37.12 | A1win | (and black 0% blue) |
| 21:38.24 | A1win | so you need to use a different texture if you want to change its color to blue |
| 21:38.39 | ploynian | oh |
| 21:38.52 | ploynian | how do I open th emodel previewer? |
| 21:39.02 | A1win | ctrl-alt-p |
| 21:39.12 | ThunderLord | is it possible to remove the text shadow from dialog item labels? |
| 21:39.28 | A1win | except that it's called cutscene editor now |
| 21:39.30 | Ahli | set style without shadow |
| 21:40.13 | ThunderLord | so i have to use a font that already does not have a shadow? |
| 21:40.31 | Ahli | indeed |
| 21:41.08 | ThunderLord | lhame |
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| 22:06.31 | Oatin | anyone bored on eu and wants to test something? |
| 22:21.13 | Ahli | guardian shield plays a model when it starts on a unit |
| 22:21.21 | Ahli | so, if a unit is protected |
| 22:25.41 | *** join/#sc2mapster Vail (~kvirc@75.108.220.50) |
| 22:28.21 | Vail | BLARGH |
| 22:35.18 | Ahli | f*ck yeah, I can write mapname into UI :D |
| 22:36.31 | Vail | ok |
| 22:36.39 | Vail | why do you need to do that>? |
| 22:39.49 | Repo | New announcement: Mercenaries in Space: Mining Company - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/mercenaries-in-space-mining-company/ |
| 22:40.17 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Zn3-O4jYO7g#t=291s I'm reconstructing parts of this |
| 22:40.22 | Ahli | for an observer UI |
| 22:45.42 | *** join/#sc2mapster Taintedwisp (4bb5414b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.181.65.75) |
| 22:46.01 | Taintedwisp | Vail you therE? |
| 22:46.07 | Vail | im here |
| 22:46.18 | Taintedwisp | You get that cutscene working? |
| 22:46.22 | Vail | nope |
| 22:46.25 | Taintedwisp | okay 1 sec |
| 22:46.30 | Taintedwisp | PrettyAwesome you there? |
| 22:54.26 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tolkfan (~Thunderbi@host-89-230-244-33.nowydwor.mm.pl) |
| 22:54.51 | Vail | tainted i think i am nearing getting it fixed |
| 22:56.00 | Taintedwisp | okie |
| 23:00.27 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/j/SC2%202013-02-25%2000-57-59-59.jpg still need to make the room console icons (lowered supply depots as placeholders) to change color based on if they're operated/idle/broken, and change the icons but that can wait for later |
| 23:09.59 | *** join/#sc2mapster nooblark (nooblark@c-68-83-58-11.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 23:10.18 | nooblark | ~seen imisu |
| 23:10.19 | purl | imisu <~iMisu@173-166-230-6-sacramento.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 16h 8m 34s ago, saying: 'gtfo'. |
| 23:20.04 | A1win | there's no way to change the image type of a button's hover image? |
| 23:20.31 | ThunderLord | it does not match the image type of the dialog? |
| 23:20.36 | ThunderLord | dialog item" |
| 23:21.02 | A1win | oh right, didn't even try |
| 23:21.02 | A1win | :x |
| 23:21.32 | A1win | :< doesn't |
| 23:22.35 | Vail | bah |
| 23:27.00 | Ahli | image, hover image, set border type |
| 23:29.12 | nooblark | how come my images are not displaying on my buttons correctly? :( |
| 23:29.46 | A1win | you need to change the image type, though as I just found out, you can't change the hover image type |
| 23:29.55 | A1win | or edit the image so that it matches the default type |
| 23:30.05 | A1win | if you're taking about border textures |
| 23:30.10 | nooblark | i think so |
| 23:30.22 | nooblark | when i put the image there, it makes it all weird looking, as if it was a bordr |
| 23:30.30 | A1win | oh |
| 23:30.41 | A1win | if you want an icon on a button, you need to add it as a separate dialog item |
| 23:30.46 | A1win | on the button |
| 23:30.51 | A1win | instead of setting the button's image |
| 23:31.04 | nooblark | i swear i tried that |
| 23:31.41 | A1win | Create Dialog Item (Image) |
| 23:31.57 | A1win | and set its position and size so that it matches the button |
| 23:32.22 | nooblark | oh |
| 23:32.24 | nooblark | i didn't do that |
| 23:32.25 | nooblark | lol |
| 23:32.28 | Ahli | a1win, that's what I do ;) |
| 23:32.39 | A1win | that's how the command card is done as well |
| 23:32.41 | nooblark | does it still look like it's clicked when someone clicks it? |
| 23:32.52 | A1win | well, the border changes |
| 23:32.59 | A1win | the icon doesn't |
| 23:33.18 | A1win | set the icon a bit smaller than the button so that it doesn't hide the button's borders |
| 23:33.49 | A1win | or use an image with transparent edges |
| 23:34.05 | Ahli | hmm, do I need to overwrite the default unit name style to be able to change its color? |
| 23:34.39 | A1win | a text style? |
| 23:34.59 | Ahli | it doesn't accept text style settings |
| 23:35.07 | nooblark | that worked well, thanks guys |
| 23:35.11 | A1win | what doesn't? |
| 23:35.18 | Ahli | unit name label |
| 23:35.19 | nooblark | sorta stupid how if i put the image on the button it don't come out right. |
| 23:35.21 | A1win | oh |
| 23:35.22 | A1win | dunno |
| 23:35.49 | A1win | nooblark, the image of the button is the button's border image |
| 23:36.05 | A1win | there's no need for it to have a secondary image property |
| 23:36.09 | Ahli | http://i.snag.gy/H8fLE.jpg |
| 23:36.09 | A1win | since you can just do what you just did |
| 23:39.58 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Zn3-O4jYO7g#t=302s blizz did it... meh |
| 23:40.04 | Ahli | time to do it the hackish way |
| 23:40.23 | nooblark | how much slower will my map load by putting a bunch of images in it? |
| 23:41.01 | A1win | define "a bunch" |
| 23:41.04 | nooblark | i'm adding custom team option inside game, and i also want them to pick map layout for the teams |
| 23:41.23 | nooblark | 8, for now. |
| 23:41.54 | A1win | it depends on the file sizes of the images, and the client's connection speed |
| 23:42.44 | nooblark | i'll take a screenshot to explain, so it's not confusing |
| 23:43.15 | A1win | if they are fullscreen images, it might slow down a bit, but if they're small icons, there won't be a noticeable difference |
| 23:43.39 | nooblark | the file i'm using it the MiniMap.TGA |
| 23:43.58 | nooblark | and i'm just adding numbers or colors as to where the teams can spawn relative to eachother |
| 23:44.23 | A1win | should be fine |
| 23:46.04 | nooblark | nevermind, i fucked up my math |
| 23:46.07 | Ahli | ok, it takes the alignment, but not the color o0 |
| 23:48.17 | nooblark | anyone know what the blend options look like? |
| 23:55.38 | Ahli | I need a raw data mode for the style editor |
| 23:56.12 | A1win | editor crashed :[ |
