IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20130207

`00:01.59`	`QueenG`	`multiplay is a small percentage compared to the total people who have bought the game. Players that stick around and only play/make Arcade games are the "jesters of sc" <-- sc2mapster quote`
`00:02.49`	`QueenG`	`but the this is what separates me from the qq, I acknowledge these facts but I still play sc2. Those ppl on the forums currently are just upset of the game.`
`00:04.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`I think blizzard will see from HoTS horrible sales`
`00:04.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`Has anyone been on the beta? Its sooo empty..`
`00:04.42`	`Triceron`	`cuz people want the campaign and the real game.`
`00:04.44`	`QueenG`	`"Only 1,000 players on Broodwar" is what I would see from 2007 till sc2 came out. It actually felt more lively because when you login, you log into a chatroom. There were also kids using wc3 accounts to create clans.`
`00:04.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`HoTS will have crap sales I expect about 1/3rd of Sc2 WoL sales`
`00:04.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`if that much`
`00:05.06`	`QueenG`	`I expect even less than that`
`00:05.13`	`Triceron`	`sales won't be poor because of what I told you above. A majority of sales are from campaign sales, you're citing the multiplayer as a reason for 'success'`
`00:05.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`blizzard hasnt done much to re-create that Livelyness, :P`
`00:05.43`	`Taintedwisp`	`Triceron thats why I said 1/3rd I counted the campaign sales :P`
`00:06.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`THe majority of that 1/3rd will be Campaign, but WoL players will see no reason to buy HoTS, simply because, the multiplayer is not a big game changer`
`00:06.15`	`Triceron`	`1/3rd is not a majority`
`00:06.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`Infact its just extra units..`
`00:06.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`triceron I was also counting in the fact that about 40% of players didnt like the sc2 campaign`
`00:06.59`	`Triceron`	`didn't like and won't buy is a pretty big line`
`00:07.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`Myself not included I enjoyed it quite a bit, but many people thought it was boring and poorly written`
`00:07.27`	`Triceron`	`you can find flaws in things and still continue to pursue it`
`00:07.29`	`A1win`	`the story wasn't that awesome but the game was fine`
`00:07.34`	`Taintedwisp`	`Thats why I am basing my GUESS off of :P`
`00:07.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`Its just a prediction :P`
`00:07.48`	`Triceron`	`like you can not like the story of a movie you watched`
`00:07.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`yeah the game was good`
`00:07.54`	`Triceron`	`and still buy it cuz the action was great`
`00:08.02`	`Triceron`	`cough transformers`
`00:08.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`yeah`
`00:08.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`well not transofrmers 3..`
`00:08.12`	`Taintedwisp`	`that movie sucked`
`00:08.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`00:08.23`	`A1win`	`also Dredd`
`00:08.28`	`Ahli`	`I didn't like sc2's campaign neither, because it was lacking the mission styles scbw had. Have a small base, go, kill the enemy that is all over the base...`
`00:08.44`	`Ahli`	`even if it is the most boring objective, it's required to be in a rts`
`00:08.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`I have faith that HoTS will be bigger then WoL, in the campaign, but I dunno yet,..`
`00:09.03`	`Triceron`	`SC2 is the same boat. It's one of those big name games you're gonna get and play cuz you wanna know what happens in the story or you haven't played a good RTS in a long while. Getting the expansions to most people is just continuation of story`
`00:09.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`ANd while deletarius is not here :P it seems like every post I read from Dustin Browder and in interveiws, he thinks everything is perfect... which it is not..`
`00:09.22`	`Ahli`	`hots campaign don't need to present new units all the time, so the missions are less focuesed on these units`
`00:09.32`	`Triceron`	`and despite whatever flaws, most people will overlook them if it's a big name series like this.`
`00:09.45`	`Triceron`	`I remember there was a huge L4D2 boycott`
`00:09.46`	`A1win`	`Taintedwisp, perhaps he's just promoting the game`
`00:09.57`	`Triceron`	`and it had like 50,000 members on steam`
`00:10.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`maybe..`
`00:10.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`but during WCS he completely lied...`
`00:10.13`	`Ahli`	`boycots cause players to buy it 2 days later...`
`00:10.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`00:10.17`	`Triceron`	`within a few months more than half of the boycotters were playing it`
`00:10.26`	`Taintedwisp`	`He said the map making was getting better, because of the popularity system..`
`00:10.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`and that the Open games will be out soon..`
`00:10.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`It had been out for 2 months already..`
`00:10.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`it was the only reason anything was getting any better..`
`00:10.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`:`
`00:10.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`and then he said something again in an interview after that`
`00:10.56`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`00:11.09`	`Triceron`	`thinking something is perfect is an opinion`
`00:11.21`	`Triceron`	`and what do you expect him to say? "This shit is so bad guys, don't buy the game"`
`00:11.27`	`Ahli`	`:D`
`00:11.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol I mean I by all means support HoTS I do, and I have high hopes for it. I have seen the new UI and love it, but... There are some gameplay problems with blance`
`00:11.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`]Casters are focused on in every race WAY too much`
`00:11.46`	`Triceron`	`and will you be all like "You know what? That Dustin Browder is truthfulls, I will buy his game!"`
`00:11.54`	`Taintedwisp`	`Caster in each race have become the core of every army.`
`00:12.16`	`A1win`	`I thought you were talking about esports casters`
`00:12.20`	`Triceron`	`I don't play SC2`
`00:12.32`	`Ahli`	`until you manage to spread out units in a big grid... then you die to lings`
`00:12.33`	`Triceron`	`but I love watching esports`
`00:12.36`	`Ahli`	`but not to fungal`
`00:12.42`	`Taintedwisp`	`no.. but triceron he could have atleast said something like "Unfortunatly the popularity system wasnt panning out, so we decided to go another route and add in the open games list which we have seen some great results with"`
`00:13.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`see it still gets people anticipated but it admits the mistake and gives credit where its due`
`00:13.49`	`Ahli`	`well, open games has the potential to solve the problems, but people are to lazy or just don't use it for some reason... or the people don't want to try maps they don't know =/`
`00:13.57`	`Tomura`	`but to be honest a open game list won't really make much of a difference. Thinking back to wc3 times there always were the same 5-10 maps on the list. And some occasional map that was crap`
`00:13.57`	`Otixa`	`Space.`
`00:14.02`	`Otixa`	`...The final frontier.`
`00:14.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`Ahli I know I am probably the only one but I think There should be a League mode, Where Polish is added for the spectators, For exmaple Change the pathing of units so they dont clump.. and such`
`00:14.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`Tomura theres already an open games list and it HAS been helping`
`00:14.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`Theres just no way to refresh the lobbies atm`
`00:14.42`	`Triceron`	`I dunno, it felt like a question that would be held up with a canned answer anyways`
`00:14.49`	`Triceron`	`like 'What do you think of your kids?'`
`00:14.49`	`Tomura`	`oh it did?`
`00:14.49`	`A1win`	`you know polish and Polish are two different words with different meanings`
`00:14.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`yeah`
`00:14.57`	`Tomura`	`well then I have to pull my statement back`
`00:15.03`	`Triceron`	`no one's gonna say "I hate my second child, he's such an ass"`
`00:15.07`	`Ahli`	`tomura, that's what bnet2 made good... I always imagine wc3 bnet with 50 dota games in the list`
`00:15.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`I can host Evo-Frenzy and i will get people within 10 minutes`
`00:15.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`before I could wait 2 days and no one would join :P`
`00:15.29`	`Tomura`	`yeah those times were horrible if you didn't want to play dota`
`00:15.31`	`Triceron`	`or say like 'My second child needs an attitude adjustment, but I think he can improve"`
`00:15.42`	`Taintedwisp`	`yeah..`
`00:15.46`	`Ahli`	`yes tainted, it has the potential to fix it... :D`
`00:15.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`Notice your problems and fix them...`
`00:15.55`	`Triceron`	`people want to hear good things`
`00:15.58`	`Triceron`	`not problems`
`00:16.08`	`Triceron`	`if they admit a problem`
`00:16.18`	`Triceron`	`they will get JUMPED on and taken out of context.`
`00:16.20`	`Triceron`	`Just look at WoW`
`00:16.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`meh, I guess i was just raised unconventually, I was always taught to take responsibility for your mistakes and try to improve them..`
`00:16.22`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`00:16.23`	`Triceron`	`every blue post`
`00:16.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`not defend the horse in the room :P`
`00:17.00`	`Triceron`	`I understand where you'r coming from tho`
`00:17.07`	`A1win`	`the people who raised you probably hadn't had to deal with millions of people who judge their words`
`00:17.09`	`Triceron`	`one of my buddies (He's French) thinks the same way`
`00:17.17`	`Zolden`	`A1win: i fixed that issue`
`00:17.17`	`Triceron`	`thinks everything advertised has to be legit`
`00:17.27`	`Zolden`	`now we have a perfect random terrain system`
`00:17.33`	`Taintedwisp`	`Also I wish Husky would have never said "The Average starcraft player is 1.5x smarter then most people" thats a blatent LIE I SAY :P have you talked to some of these sc2 players? they are fukcing idiots`
`00:17.34`	`A1win`	`o:`
`00:17.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`:)))`
`00:17.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`and they will go back and repeat what husky said on the forum s:P`
`00:18.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`as if some random ass dude from cali claiming that a whole group is smarter then another group is correct haha`
`00:18.11`	`A1win`	`Zolden, I was playing around with it when I was porting my random dungeon generator... might be nice for that ;p`
`00:18.21`	`Triceron`	`he bought L4D1 and complained about it. Said the game advertised 10 unique weapons, but the game only had like 4-5 gun types, and they were including stuff that weren't technically weapons like the grenades or soemthing`
`00:18.36`	`Zolden`	`A1win: i'll improve it a bit and post on mapster`
`00:18.36`	`Otixa`	`Triceron is a Wall-E`
`00:18.40`	`Triceron`	`it went on for a good year`
`00:18.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`I would complain about there only being 10 unique weapons :P`
`00:18.52`	`A1win`	`but I'm not working on it anymore, couldn't think of any interesting gameplay for it`
`00:19.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`10 weapons... :P`
`00:19.05`	`Zolden`	`the feature is to create a 2d array of heights for each node`
`00:19.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`Lemme guess that game sold for 60$...`
`00:19.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`00:19.13`	`Triceron`	`Shut up Otixa, I don't even know what that means`
`00:19.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`I bought L4D2 on a steam super sale for 2$.. it was worth about 5-10...`
`00:19.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`00:19.32`	`QueenG`	`yea everyone will quote a blue post and yell at them (sorry playing catchup on the reading)`
`00:19.39`	`Zolden`	`A1win: dynamic surface may be a base for a nice gameplay`
`00:19.45`	`Otixa`	`Triceron, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IFlFLiJtTdA/Tekjek2toyI/AAAAAAAABUE/YFuMsEQEjk8/s1600/wall_e.jpg`
`00:19.49`	`Otixa`	`Go watch. Now.`
`00:19.50`	`A1win`	`Zolden, yeah...`
`00:19.53`	`Zolden`	`just need to be invented`
`00:20.03`	`Zolden`	`i can't stop thinking of how was minerals good`
`00:20.03`	`A1win`	`here's some examples of what my generator can do: http://a1win.pp.fi/sc2/dc/m/`
`00:20.10`	`Triceron`	`I've seen the movie, I don't get what you mean`
`00:20.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yeah QUeenG I saw that shit too, thats because fanboys are morons, They got pissed at dayvie because he said hydralisk were fine right now :P`
`00:20.14`	`A1win`	`it's not a height based generator though`
`00:20.15`	`Zolden`	`while it was also 2v2 caves and shit`
`00:20.27`	`Ahli`	`there is a bug in my map that causes the landed dropship to automatically unload, but I have no idea how to fix it...`
`00:20.30`	`A1win`	`but dynamic height changes would make it easy to form the walls for it`
`00:20.38`	`Zolden`	`yeah`
`00:20.41`	`Zolden`	`and other shit`
`00:20.43`	`Otixa`	`Triceron, I just woke up. I don't get what I mean >;/`
`00:20.47`	`Triceron`	`haha`
`00:20.57`	`QueenG`	`its whats happening on the sc2 forums right now, people taking things out of context. I agree, husky shouldn't have said that even if he was joking.`
`00:21.12`	`Otixa`	`resumes watching his movie`
`00:21.52`	`Taintedwisp`	`I mean, its stupid though... People hear something from someone, blow it out of proportion like its some huge thing...`
`00:22.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`I wish people had their own fucking opinions, and quit listening to Casters, and pros..`
`00:22.25`	`QueenG`	`Oh I played L4D. That was probably the last shooting game I played and I finally learn how to move around with two joysticks.`
`00:22.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`Thats why the game sucks for casuals right now, because everyone listened to pros, so it was built for pros...`
`00:22.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`The game SHOULD have been built and balanced for casuals as BW and Wc3 was`
`00:22.54`	`Zolden`	`A1win: and with decals as terrain we can do even more exciting stuff`
`00:23.02`	`A1win`	`:>`
`00:23.04`	`Triceron`	`as bad as it is seeing SC2 fans cry out against the devs, it's no comparison to the WoW community :P`
`00:23.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`yeah I know...`
`00:23.20`	`QueenG`	`So whatcha working on A1win? I like sharing gameplay concepts`
`00:23.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`00:23.33`	`Taintedwisp`	`hes working on Porn TD he has a very sick mind.`
`00:23.47`	`Triceron`	`more like.. Porn STD`
`00:23.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`actually there was a Porn TD back on Wc3 :P`
`00:23.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`with custom models and all`
`00:23.56`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`00:24.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`it was green TD reskinned :P`
`00:24.27`	`A1win`	`that link I posted was for something I was working on a while ago, now I'm trying to find the motivation to start working on a map with BSG/FTL style gameplay`
`00:24.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`there was also Run Pussy Run :P a reskinned Run Kitty Run Game... where if you reach the end a porn slideshow starts`
`00:24.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`00:25.26`	`A1win`	`nothing sick about porn o:`
`00:25.29`	`A1win`	`well... some porn`
`00:25.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`cartoon porn is pretty gross..`
`00:25.40`	`Triceron`	`haha`
`00:25.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`and on Wc3.. it was always cartoon porn`
`00:26.05`	`A1win`	`but I'm not saying it should be in SC2 maps`
`00:26.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`i'm just sayin, If I wanna see 2 lines fuck ill draw them myself`
`00:26.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`thats all im trying to say..`
`00:26.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`00:29.03`	`QueenG`	`yea i played WoW a few times Triceron, I remember my friend couple years ago getting so angry because he couldnt log in and apparently the forums was flooded with thousands of messages about it. Same can be said to other online games really.`
`00:29.33`	`Triceron`	`yeah, the WoW forums is a place you don't ever want to go to`
`00:30.01`	`nooblark`	`hey queen`
`00:30.42`	`Taintedwisp`	`I changed my Signature`
`00:30.59`	`QueenG`	`hey nooblark, and im now caught up lol`
`00:30.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`Sorry Dustin\|Home I know you loved my bender`
`00:31.08`	`QueenG`	`skip u guys talking about porn...`
`00:31.30`	`QueenG`	`I made a bender statue on Minecraft lol it was funny. I also made a giant Battlecruiser`
`00:31.33`	`nooblark`	`i tried to message you earlier on battle net.. :(`
`00:31.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`oh... I forgot you were a woman.. my bad queeng :P i try not to talk about such things around women :P`
`00:32.15`	`QueenG`	`you can make it up by adding a comment on my post: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7811022381?page=1#0`
`00:32.23`	`nooblark`	`(cue someone to talk about tainted's insensitivity)`
`00:32.58`	`QueenG`	`Id be more inclined if you said something funny or something thats a good comeback like, "Lol look at Queen, she doesnt even have any matches. Don't listen to her"`
`00:32.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`There QueenG I replied`
`00:33.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`Ishadowwolf is the name`
`00:33.03`	`*** join/#sc2mapster iMisu (~iMisu@2600:1010:b10e:a3b6:ee47:e1d4:d43b:6589)`
`00:33.27`	`QueenG`	`same to you nooblark`
`00:33.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`if something is hard its not worth doing`
`00:33.44`	`QueenG`	`Hey A1win, what does BSG/FTL style map mean?`
`00:34.01`	`nooblark`	`but i have one concern`
`00:34.15`	`nooblark`	`i don't know what i did..`
`00:34.19`	`A1win`	`BSG meaning battlestar galactica TV-series and FTL is a small indie game`
`00:35.55`	`A1win`	`the basic idea is that you have a few space ships and you're moving through space with faster than light jumps, and a hostile fleet is chasing you`
`00:36.09`	`A1win`	`so you have to defend until you're ready to make another jump, and then it resets`
`00:36.19`	`QueenG`	`Just watched a trailer on FTL, it reminds me of this: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/48016-battlecruiser-command-released/`
`00:36.30`	`Triceron`	`space ship command`
`00:36.41`	`A1win`	`mm kind of similar mindset, but entirely different gameplay`
`00:36.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`brb gotta go grab the greatest beverage known to man...`
`00:36.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`Sweet TEa`
`00:36.51`	`A1win`	`in my map idea, that is`
`00:36.54`	`Triceron`	`arizona?`
`00:37.11`	`Triceron`	`i find that stuff is too sweet`
`00:37.16`	`QueenG`	`i think me noob and tainted played it, the concept seemed fun but it was way too laggy`
`00:37.28`	`A1win`	`my idea is to focus completely on ship interior gameplay and have the space gameplay as just a small part of the 2D UI`
`00:37.54`	`QueenG`	`Ive been interested in playing a map like that.`
`00:37.58`	`A1win`	`though originally I wanted a space view for it too but it seemed too complicated`
`00:38.01`	`QueenG`	`do you have a project page I can read A1win?`
`00:38.03`	`A1win`	`for gameplay`
`00:38.15`	`Triceron`	`I had a friend pitch me an idea about a FTL-like game, space ship command`
`00:38.19`	`A1win`	`nah, I have a concept document for it though but it's not on the web atm`
`00:38.31`	`A1win`	`and I probably need to update it again`
`00:38.44`	`Triceron`	`cuz he was playing that phone app game where you play a role on a ship and have to communicate with other people`
`00:38.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`...`
`00:38.59`	`A1win`	`Triceron, yeah I had that idea a while back`
`00:39.01`	`Triceron`	`but he pitched it with penguins as the crew`
`00:39.10`	`A1win`	`but that's still different from this idea`
`00:39.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`...HOLD THE FUCK UP TRICERON`
`00:39.34`	`Taintedwisp`	`ARIZONA!!! I wouldnt drink that piss water..`
`00:39.44`	`QueenG`	`yea I want to play a map where each player is limited to specific information and those information must be told through chat`
`00:39.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`No tea is to be brewed at home or at a restraunt`
`00:40.03`	`Triceron`	`I hope you meant to put a comma after 'no'`
`00:40.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`Wheres my dualing glove... pistols at high noon !!! NOON I SAY!!!`
`00:40.18`	`Taintedwisp`	`yes there was supposed to be a comma ther e:P`
`00:40.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`there*`
`00:40.31`	`A1win`	`QueenG, that'd be totally unplayable by casual players :P`
`00:40.46`	`Triceron`	`I prefer brewed teas. Or steeped.`
`00:40.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`I had to go pour a glass from the pitcher that I made earlier, 2 family tea bags + 1 cup of sugar = 1 gallon :P`
`00:40.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`COOK TILL IT STARTS BOILING GIVE IT 30 SECONDS!!! THERE YA GO`
`00:40.59`	`A1win`	`and still difficult without voice chat, at least if the information that needs to be shared is a lot`
`00:41.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`Stir sugar in with tea first, then fill the rest with water`
`00:41.23`	`Triceron`	`I prefer herbal though`
`00:41.27`	`Triceron`	`the occassional black is good`
`00:41.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`I take my sweet tea very serious :P`
`00:41.35`	`QueenG`	`I guess I enjoy playing well developed maps on sc2.`
`00:41.43`	`Taintedwisp`	`Herbal Mint is pretty good every now and then`
`00:41.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`but I like black tea :P`
`00:42.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`Coffee is for figs`
`00:42.23`	`A1win`	`I'm quite confident my map will be good, I just need to find the time to make it happen :P`
`00:42.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`A1Win I curse your coffee to be horrible`
`00:42.39`	`QueenG`	`Did anyone play SCBW?`
`00:42.45`	`Triceron`	`yup`
`00:42.50`	`A1win`	`Taintedwisp, I don't mind, I don't drink coffee`
`00:42.55`	`Triceron`	`was never any good at it tho`
`00:43.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`i ment map :( my mind was on coffee at that second`
`00:43.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`;P`
`00:43.14`	`Triceron`	`WC3 was my game`
`00:43.25`	`Taintedwisp`	`Warcraft 2 was better triceron`
`00:43.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`I played every blizz game since warcraft 1 queenG :P`
`00:43.48`	`QueenG`	`nice`
`00:44.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`Diablo, Warcraft, and starcraft`
`00:44.16`	`QueenG`	`I started playing wc3 late, that was when I was told to install garena and play dota lol`
`00:44.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`brb 30-45 minutes`
`00:44.34`	`nooblark`	`dustinnnnnnn`
`00:44.44`	`A1win`	`I've never played any dota game :X`
`00:45.18`	`A1win`	`probably should try one out just to see what's all the fuss about`
`00:45.41`	`Triceron`	`I've wasted so many hours.... days... no... months of my life to DotA`
`00:46.04`	`Triceron`	`I remember quitting WoW for the first time, and got hooked to DOTA -_-`
`00:46.12`	`A1win`	`:x`
`00:46.49`	`A1win`	`pff wasted time is a subjective matter`
`00:47.11`	`Triceron`	`time that could've been spent modding!`
`00:47.13`	`A1win`	`I spent years in wow and don't really even regret it`
`00:47.16`	`Triceron`	`:P`
`00:47.28`	`A1win`	`although it's a bit of a shame to not have done anything productive during that I guess`
`00:47.34`	`A1win`	`but... met some people`
`00:49.03`	`nooblark`	`i want to sleep..`
`00:49.10`	`nooblark`	`it felt so good`
`00:49.35`	`nooblark`	`but i know it's going to be bad when i wake up not tired enough to go to sleep, and have to go to work early :O`
`00:51.20`	`QueenG`	`how do i unban you nooblark?`
`00:51.59`	`nooblark`	`right click my name, should have option. yuo may need to 'see more'`
`00:52.21`	`QueenG`	`can u get online?`
`00:52.29`	`nooblark`	`yah`
`01:02.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`ahh that was good, had steak poorman pie`
`01:02.43`	`Zolden`	`hmm`
`01:03.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`Poorman pie = Meat, cream of mushroom soup, 3 types of vegetables, and thick mash potatoes on top baked`
`01:03.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`01:03.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`Any kind of meat works with it`
`01:03.18`	`Taintedwisp`	`Ham, Beef, Chicken or turkey all godo`
`01:03.48`	`Zolden`	`i feel myself like a homer simpson`
`01:04.00`	`Zolden`	`when he's dreaming of pork`
`01:04.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`Homer simpson isnt russian...`
`01:04.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`01:04.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`trolol`
`01:05.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`HOLY SHIT`
`01:06.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`FUCK YOU GTA V YOU PRICKS`
`01:06.03`	`Zolden`	`what`
`01:06.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`dammit, they said fucking spring 2013..`
`01:06.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`Now its fucking september..`
`01:06.42`	`Taintedwisp`	`I pre-ordered because it was supposed to only be a few months away -_-`
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`01:07.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`all for next gen bull shit`
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`01:33.29`	`Zolden`	`wow`
`01:33.36`	`Zolden`	`terrain generator works so nice`
`01:35.48`	`Dustin\|Home`	`zoldemn`
`01:35.49`	`Dustin\|Home`	`gief`
`01:40.00`	`Dustin\|Home`	`zolden!`
`01:40.18`	`Vailreth`	`vroom`
`01:41.05`	`Zolden`	`yea, sec`
`01:42.07`	`Zolden`	`just one more thing - hills`
`01:42.13`	`Zolden`	`and it rapes asses`
`01:42.35`	`Vailreth`	`er yay?`
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`01:44.50`	`Otixa`	`Walleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee`
`01:46.46`	`Zolden`	`Dustin\|Home: super rough shit`
`01:46.55`	`Zolden`	`in a few minutes will be a candie`
`01:47.03`	`Zolden`	`http://snag.gy/EJRzZ.jpg`
`01:50.22`	`A1win`	`turn it into a flat minecraft where you can dig only from above o:`
`01:54.27`	`A1win`	`trench war where you dig your own trenches`
`01:56.16`	`A1win`	`except that it would suck that you wouldn't be able to draw the area since the ground wouldn't be selectable ;p`
`01:56.28`	`Zolden`	`yea, i thought about minecraft thing, but i never tried mincraft an don't know how it work`
`01:56.30`	`A1win`	`...except with mouse events`
`01:56.35`	`A1win`	`:x`
`01:56.53`	`A1win`	`well it's not really a game, just a 3D sandbox`
`01:57.01`	`Zolden`	`http://snag.gy/zK3n6.jpg`
`01:57.04`	`A1win`	`it's too easy to build stuff in it since you can place blocks instantlu`
`01:57.12`	`A1win`	`to allow for any balanced gameplay`
`01:57.21`	`A1win`	`cool o:`
`01:57.46`	`A1win`	`make simcity`
`01:57.48`	`Zolden`	`yeah, something digging-related would be cool`
`01:58.02`	`A1win`	`mmh`
`01:58.10`	`Otixa`	`Smurf penis`
`01:58.30`	`A1win`	`digging trenches might be neat, you might dig into an enemy's trench by accident and then have a little skirmish there`
`01:58.50`	`A1win`	`though dunno how you'd actually do anything else than that`
`01:59.04`	`A1win`	`unless you make it like fps or tps`
`02:00.03`	`A1win`	`hmm what about a top-down worms style game where you have stationary units that can launch stuff around and try to hit enemies, exploding the terrain`
`02:00.20`	`A1win`	`(not necessarily turn based)`
`02:01.30`	`A1win`	`layer of water there to easily see which parts of terrain have been destroyed`
`02:01.44`	`A1win`	`doesn't even need to be stationary units`
`02:02.00`	`A1win`	`a huge battlefield that keeps getting smaller and smaller as the game progresses :P`
`02:03.46`	`A1win`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H2KlvoHqSM`
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`02:03.51`	`A1win`	`(speaking of digging games)`
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`02:04.22`	`Dustin\|Home`	`Zolden`
`02:04.32`	`Zolden`	`A1win: yea :)`
`02:04.35`	`Dustin\|Home`	`You could effectively make an infinite world`
`02:04.47`	`Dustin\|Home`	`Base your random generation off seeds`
`02:04.57`	`A1win`	`you can make an infinite world even without that but it would be a lot better with that`
`02:05.12`	`Dustin\|Home`	`Then you can store whole quadrants and have an endless generating world`
`02:05.32`	`Zolden`	`Dustin\|Home: indeed`
`02:05.46`	`A1win`	`but what kind of gameplay do you have in an infinite world ;p`
`02:05.50`	`A1win`	`exploratiooon`
`02:05.52`	`Zolden`	`it takes about 5-10 sec to generate`
`02:06.06`	`Zolden`	`dunno, have to think, ty for ideas`
`02:06.20`	`Zolden`	`actually I made it for any kind of map generation`
`02:06.27`	`Zolden`	`jsut need to implement patch blockers`
`02:06.55`	`A1win`	`I've often thought about games where you have some vast area to explore and only rarely find something of interest, then call your friends to join you in your discovery, do something about it as a group, and then wander off to explore stuff again`
`02:07.01`	`Dustin\|Home`	`Can we paint the ground with triggers or data yet`
`02:07.19`	`A1win`	`decals`
`02:07.24`	`A1win`	`otherwise not`
`02:09.50`	`Zolden`	`yea, decals`
`02:10.20`	`Zolden`	`btw, the only trouble with the terrain heights is that camera doesn't raise when we have terrain deforemrs made hills`
`02:10.32`	`Zolden`	`so it cuts terrain mesh`
`02:11.03`	`A1win`	`ah`
`02:11.28`	`A1win`	`if you have a fixed camera, you can work around that with triggers`
`02:11.33`	`A1win`	`like if the camera is locked on a unit`
`02:11.52`	`A1win`	`or does height of point return the correct height with deformers?`
`02:11.56`	`A1win`	`*height at point`
`02:12.08`	`A1win`	`would suck if not ;p`
`02:12.20`	`Dustin\|Home`	`It should`
`02:12.35`	`Dustin\|Home`	`so you can adjust camera base on it's target height`
`02:12.42`	`A1win`	`mm`
`02:12.52`	`Zolden`	`I can get the height from the array I create to generate the landscape`
`02:12.59`	`Zolden`	`yeah, right`
`02:13.10`	`Zolden`	`http://snag.gy/787Su.jpg`
`02:13.12`	`A1win`	`but if the camera is free, you can't really adjust it with triggers except instantly, which would look ugly`
`02:13.30`	`Zolden`	`this require some more self-organisation besides the smooth`
`02:13.36`	`A1win`	`or I think camera becomes locked during a timed camera value change trigger`
`02:14.03`	`Zolden`	`anyways, there are ways to fix this little camera issue`
`02:14.12`	`Zolden`	`maybe even via camera parameters`
`02:14.16`	`Dustin\|Home`	`get some other textures dynamically on there son!`
`02:14.29`	`Zolden`	`yea, i'm thinking about`
`02:14.44`	`A1win`	`creep could also be used for extra variation`
`02:14.44`	`Zolden`	`wait, it's 6.14 am`
`02:14.56`	`Zolden`	`with decals there is no need in creep`
`02:15.01`	`A1win`	`mmh`
`02:15.18`	`A1win`	`I suppose not, if it looks good enough`
`02:17.56`	`Zolden`	`wanna play with it guys?`
`02:18.01`	`Zolden`	`i go sleep`
`02:18.26`	`A1win`	`nah got too much other stuff to do (and it's 4:18 here)`
`02:19.15`	`A1win`	`also... if you limit visibility, you don't even need to generate the whole terrain at the same time`
`02:19.16`	`Zolden`	`alright`
`02:19.18`	`A1win`	`can do it the minecraft way`
`02:19.28`	`A1win`	`and only keep area around the player generated`
`02:19.36`	`Zolden`	`yea`
`02:19.38`	`A1win`	`-> no loading times`
`02:19.41`	`Zolden`	`it would be faster`
`02:20.13`	`A1win`	`but you need a procedural function to generate it instead of a generation algorithm`
`02:20.26`	`A1win`	`unless you store the whole thing in memory`
`02:20.31`	`A1win`	`*script memory`
`02:21.21`	`A1win`	`I have a neat 3D function that generates a height map for CraftCraft to base its rock placement on`
`02:21.29`	`Zolden`	`it takes 256x256 array of real max If i store the whole shit`
`02:21.57`	`A1win`	`per map ;>`
`02:22.00`	`Zolden`	`yea`
`02:22.06`	`A1win`	`if you want more than 256x256 it'd take more memory`
`02:22.14`	`Zolden`	`so, generating procedure would be nicer probably`
`02:22.19`	`Zolden`	`yea`
`02:22.30`	`A1win`	`mm functions and fixed random seeds`
`02:22.54`	`Zolden`	`well, i'd be curious about your generating algorighm, but it's the key fun for me - to invent new shit, so ty :)`
`02:23.11`	`A1win`	`the map generator I showed earlier isn't function based`
`02:23.22`	`A1win`	`so it wouldn't really be that great`
`02:23.44`	`A1win`	`so yeah I don't really have anything anyway ;D`
`02:24.01`	`A1win`	`but if you need ideas or help with it, I can do that ;p`
`02:24.19`	`A1win`	`err I mean designing help`
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`02:24.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`ZOLDENhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/48513-uncle-ruckus-movie-warning-racism/`
`02:25.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`ZOLDEN`
`02:25.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`02:25.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`wanted it to beep hyou`
`02:25.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`02:25.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`the thread is actually pretty clean, but I wanted to throw that warning in the title :P`
`02:25.54`	`Zolden`	`A1win: ok, i'll discuss this with you later`
`02:26.21`	`Zolden`	`Taintedwisp: all tomorrow, i'm tired like hitler at 1945`
`02:26.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`,l,lol`
`02:30.53`	`Ahli`	`map updates reset up and coming position???`
`02:31.02`	`Vailreth`	`bother`
`02:31.03`	`Ahli`	`that's stupid... :S`
`02:32.54`	`Otixa`	`You've been living your whole life in a steatbelt`
`02:33.05`	`Otixa`	`It's time to unclick`
`02:34.14`	`Triceron`	`But what if you get into an accident? Or a cop pulls you over? Can't take those risks.`
`02:34.31`	`Otixa`	`THEN YOU SOCK EM IN DA KISSER`
`02:34.31`	`Triceron`	`it's just way too unsafe`
`02:34.49`	`Triceron`	`:O but you'd get arrested!`
`02:35.01`	`Otixa`	`BOOYAH!`
`02:35.13`	`Otixa`	`Flight attendants`
`02:35.21`	`Otixa`	`They'll get your trey in a full upright position`
`02:35.22`	`Otixa`	`;)`
`02:44.48`	`Dustin\|Home`	`Soup`
`02:46.05`	`A1win`	`:O so awesome to realize that you can make your game better by removing stuff from it`
`02:46.18`	`A1win`	`I mean so awesome to realize what those things are`
`02:47.17`	`A1win`	`usually duplicates of features and such`
`02:47.52`	`A1win`	`like two things that seem different at the first glance but essentially serve the same purpose from gameplay point of view`
`02:48.24`	`A1win`	`and sometimes features that just don't work well together, and one needs to be removed`
`02:49.21`	`A1win`	`would be nice if there was more game design theory available that wasn't already outdated ;p`
`02:50.02`	`Dustin\|Home`	`Welcome to the overwhelming fast increasing world of game development :P`
`02:50.30`	`A1win`	`yeah I know :P I guess it's kind of nice in a sens too`
`02:50.40`	`A1win`	`can actually come up with new stuff myself`
`02:50.49`	`A1win`	`*sense`
`02:53.15`	`A1win`	`I just realzied that if I only have 1 large zerg ship and 1 large abandoned space station that players can explore in addition to their own space ships, I can make them a lot more complex and interestin than having multiple small zerg ships and stations to explore, and it makes it easier for players to coordinate their efforts`
`02:53.35`	`A1win`	`when there's only 3-5 places to be in instead of 10 or so :x`
`02:54.05`	`A1win`	`and they can actually do co-op in those larger places rather than everyone scattering around and make it feel too much like singleplayer`
`02:54.08`	`Dustin\|Home`	`lmfao`
`02:54.24`	`Dustin\|Home`	`I just noticed this icon is called "Baneling Spooge"`
`02:58.01`	`Vailreth`	`yeah i found that a while ago funny yes`
`02:58.46`	`Vailreth`	`i think i edited a recolored version for a button in one of my projects`
`03:06.56`	`Otixa`	`Triceron is a slutty pumpkin`
`03:10.03`	`Triceron`	`nou`
`03:13.13`	`Otixa`	`In retrospect`
`03:13.19`	`Otixa`	`I feel kinda gay for saying that ;c`
`03:18.33`	`Saeris`	`gj otixa`
`03:18.50`	`Otixa`	`punches Saeris`
`03:18.51`	`Otixa`	`>:\|`
`03:19.32`	`Saeris`	`so, i've been working for like 2 months now writing up php scripts to handle writing SQL queries for me`
`03:19.57`	`Saeris`	`just found out today there's libraries that are doing pretty much exactly what I'm doing`
`03:20.02`	`Saeris`	`shoulda figured`
`03:20.55`	`Saeris`	`of well, at least I learned how to make shit like that, rather than just learn to use it`
`03:21.47`	`Otixa`	`Suddenly, Saeris learns of PDO`
`03:21.55`	`Saeris`	`oh no, not PDO`
`03:22.01`	`Saeris`	`i've been using that from the start man`
`03:22.07`	`Otixa`	`lamer!`
`03:22.24`	`Otixa`	`Real men write their own SQL libs with recursive inheritence`
`03:22.33`	`Saeris`	`http://propelorm.org/`
`03:22.37`	`Saeris`	`this is what i'm talking about`
`03:22.59`	`Otixa`	`Neh, I've done better ;p`
`03:23.14`	`Otixa`	`Did a recursive MySQL lib once`
`03:23.16`	`Otixa`	`Was epic`
`03:23.38`	`Otixa`	`$sql->$someDatabase->$someTable->$someField`
`03:23.48`	`Otixa`	`would return an array of all values for that vield`
`03:23.51`	`Otixa`	`field*`
`03:23.59`	`Otixa`	`And you can sort them using whatever, or preg_match`
`03:24.00`	`Otixa`	`:D`
`03:24.24`	`Otixa`	`and you could rename everything just by setting the value`
`03:24.30`	`Otixa`	`magic mthods <3`
`03:24.31`	`Otixa`	`mmmm...`
`03:25.17`	`Saeris`	`yea i've got something similar going`
`03:26.12`	`Saeris`	`selectFields($Database, $Table, $WhereArgs, $Fields, $Orderby, $Start, $End) for my current iteration`
`03:26.28`	`Saeris`	`everything but DB and Table are optional`
`03:27.27`	`Saeris`	`it automatically creates ANDS, INs, LIMITs`
`03:27.54`	`Saeris`	`selects all fields, a single field, or multiple specified fields`
`03:29.05`	`Otixa`	`socks Saeris in the head with a book on software architecture`
`03:29.07`	`Otixa`	`No`
`03:29.09`	`Otixa`	`Saeris bad!`
`03:29.13`	`Otixa`	`Otixa is not pleased >:[`
`03:30.04`	`Saeris`	`oi, I did all this shit from scratch in 2 months, with no prior programming knowledge other than SC2 triggers >:[`
`03:30.35`	`Otixa`	`l2consult then :P`
`03:30.53`	`Saeris`	`i did, lotta help you were =P`
`03:30.56`	`Otixa`	`Eh, you did alright, I guess, for a nub ;p`
`03:31.08`	`Otixa`	`smacks Saeris on the forehead with a redbull can`
`03:31.17`	`Otixa`	`look into magic methods in PHP`
`03:31.31`	`Otixa`	`mostly __set, __get, and __invoke`
`03:31.46`	`Otixa`	`then read up on lambda functions`
`03:32.01`	`Otixa`	`mostly this`
`03:32.01`	`Otixa`	`http://php.net/manual/en/function.create-function.php`
`03:32.11`	`Otixa`	`Also reflection classes`
`03:32.56`	`Otixa`	`Also, set default values on methods`
`03:33.33`	`Otixa`	`i.e. public functionn Query($queryString, $orderBy = 'DESC') { ... }`
`03:33.39`	`nooblark`	`too many programmer nerds in here.`
`03:34.46`	`Otixa`	`Too many noobs in here ;p`
`03:36.00`	`Otixa`	`Unleash your inner hoebag, nooblark`
`03:42.15`	`Saeris`	`i'll look into it otixa`
`03:43.11`	`Otixa`	`UNLEASH YOUR INNER ARCHITECT, SAERIS`
`03:43.23`	`Otixa`	`MAKE INTRICATE AND CLEVER CODE`
`03:43.40`	`Otixa`	`https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rULKKiJp6NY`
`03:46.49`	`Saeris`	`been going through a lot of this guy's tutorials as of late: http://www.youtube.com/user/derekbanas/featured`
`03:46.51`	`Saeris`	`good shit`
`03:47.09`	`Saeris`	`he's like the Yahtzee of tutorials`
`03:48.12`	`Otixa`	`Video tutorials on code? >:C`
`03:48.17`	`Otixa`	`What blasphemy is this?`
`03:48.51`	`Saeris`	`it's moreso understanding concepts and syntax than it is learning how to write shit`
`03:49.14`	`Saeris`	`trying to get an understanding of wtf i'm looking at when i dig through documentation`
`03:49.50`	`Saeris`	`documentation usually assumes you know how the language as a whole operates already >.>`
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`03:50.12`	`Otixa`	`Well`
`03:50.16`	`Otixa`	`Bits shift left`
`03:50.21`	`Otixa`	`Bits shift right`
`03:50.29`	`Otixa`	`That's all there is to it :B`
`03:51.11`	`nooblark`	`otixa`
`03:51.28`	`Otixa`	`hi`
`03:51.33`	`nooblark`	`i don't understand how so many people in here have programming knowledge, backgrounds`
`03:51.40`	`Daara`	`Today football has taught me a valuable life lesson. If 2 drunk people have sex and one then accuses the other of raping them it is best for the accused to then reverse the table and accuse the accuser of raping them. This will result in an offsetting penalty. Replay 3rd down.`
`03:51.44`	`nooblark`	`but it seems like 2 people know how to make a trigger...`
`03:51.56`	`Otixa`	`I don't deal in SC2 bullshit code :P`
`03:52.26`	`nooblark`	`i dont'get it dustin?`
`03:52.33`	`nooblark`	`replay 3rd down?`
`03:52.38`	`Otixa`	`I do deal in JS, Java, C, C++, C#, PHP, Perl and Bash tho :B`
`03:56.02`	`nooblark`	`DUSTIN`
`03:56.04`	`nooblark`	`FUCKKKKKKKKKK`
`03:56.10`	`nooblark`	`explain it`
`03:56.47`	`nooblark`	`wasit`
`03:56.49`	`nooblark`	`omg`
`03:56.51`	`nooblark`	`it was daara`
`03:57.05`	`nooblark`	`i saw d, and thought it was dustin`
`03:57.11`	`nooblark`	`daara!! explain your bad joke.`
`03:58.56`	`nooblark`	`:(`
`03:59.04`	`Otixa`	`You're all bad people`
`03:59.05`	`Otixa`	`>:[`
`03:59.50`	`nooblark`	`you're a bad person`
`04:00.20`	`Otixa`	`I know :D`
`04:00.29`	`nooblark`	`throwing around your programming creditials as if it matters.. NO ONE CARES OTIXA, OKAY? lol`
`04:00.43`	`Otixa`	`Umad? ;P`
`04:00.58`	`Otixa`	`Code is overrated anyway`
`04:01.01`	`Otixa`	`Design pays better`
`04:01.01`	`nooblark`	`this isn't IRC channel for Topics in computer prgramming`
`04:01.07`	`nooblark`	`it's for SC MAPS`
`04:01.18`	`nooblark`	`speak more of design.`
`04:01.19`	`Dustin\|Home`	`its for whatever we're talking about :P`
`04:01.24`	`Otixa`	`^`
`04:01.24`	`nooblark`	`i need a career change.`
`04:01.49`	`Saeris`	`actually nooblark, the channel is for sc2 mod dev`
`04:02.04`	`Daara`	`o.o`
`04:02.05`	`Saeris`	`just happens that i am making a sc2 mod that requires some programming`
`04:02.08`	`Daara`	`you don't understand the joke?`
`04:02.13`	`nooblark`	`i don't even know what that is.`
`04:02.14`	`nooblark`	`and no daara`
`04:02.16`	`Daara`	`you must not understand football`
`04:02.17`	`nooblark`	`why 3rd down?`
`04:02.24`	`Otixa`	`BLACK HAWK DOWN`
`04:02.27`	`Saeris`	`so you see, we are on topic =P`
`04:02.36`	`Otixa`	`'Muricans`
`04:02.41`	`nooblark`	`i know football..`
`04:02.48`	`Otixa`	`BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA BE SUCH BITCHES ABOUT IT`
`04:02.52`	`nooblark`	`i just don't get why it's 3rd down.`
`04:02.53`	`Otixa`	`I CAN JUST NOT BE HELPFUL ANYMORE`
`04:02.58`	`Otixa`	`AND JUST SIT HERE AND TROLL`
`04:03.06`	`Otixa`	`Which is what I mostly do anyway ;p`
`04:03.17`	`Saeris`	`he's making fun of the superbowl's bad fucking calls`
`04:03.23`	`nooblark`	`the troll don't like to be trolled... trollolol`
`04:03.37`	`Otixa`	`That was trolling? ;p`
`04:03.53`	`Daara`	`i thought this channel was for making bad jokes ;c`
`04:03.55`	`nooblark`	`okay.. how the fuck am i supposed to get a specific super bowl call out of a gerneralized football reference? :O`
`04:04.20`	`Otixa`	`No, channel is for kicking Dustin\|Home in the sac`
`04:04.26`	`Daara`	`it has nothing to do with the super bowl lol`
`04:04.28`	`Saeris`	`easy, did you watch the supebowl? if not, then you don't get the joke, that simple`
`04:04.34`	`Daara`	`i just said 3rd down for the sake of it`
`04:04.35`	`Saeris`	`oh rly?`
`04:04.36`	`Saeris`	`hmm`
`04:04.40`	`nooblark`	`saeris, you apparently, ARE WRONG SIR. STFU.`
`04:04.40`	`Daara`	`i could have said 1st 2nd or 4th too`
`04:04.41`	`nooblark`	`lol`
`04:04.54`	`Saeris`	`i specifically remember a ref making a call like taht =P`
`04:05.03`	`Otixa`	`Speaking of 'murica`
`04:05.04`	`Daara`	`it happens a lot`
`04:05.06`	`Otixa`	`I want some cheesecake`
`04:05.10`	`Otixa`	`scurries off`
`04:05.20`	`nooblark`	`mmk....`
`04:05.25`	`Daara`	`usually when 2 idiots from both teams commit personal fouls`
`04:05.34`	`nooblark`	`oh okay`
`04:05.35`	`nooblark`	`lol`
`04:05.41`	`nooblark`	`perfect sense now.`
`04:05.46`	`Daara`	`it's called an offsetting penalty`
`04:05.49`	`nooblark`	`yah..`
`04:05.53`	`Daara`	`which was the jist of the joke`
`04:06.00`	`Daara`	`if someone accuses you of raping them`
`04:06.02`	`nooblark`	`got it. thanks.`
`04:06.03`	`Daara`	`accuse them back`
`04:06.58`	`nooblark`	`i think i'd get fucked (no pun intended) by just going out and raping everyone and trying that though.`
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`04:09.10`	`Daara`	`http://i.imgur.com/M0h3n26.jpg`
`04:09.48`	`nooblark`	`LOLOL`
`04:09.49`	`nooblark`	`OMG`
`04:09.50`	`nooblark`	`LOL`
`04:09.56`	`Dustin\|Home`	`lolol`
`04:10.07`	`Daara`	`i can't stop laughing`
`04:10.10`	`nooblark`	`i am so doing that`
`04:10.11`	`nooblark`	`meet me`
`04:10.14`	`nooblark`	`me too*`
`04:10.45`	`Otixa`	`RAPE`
`04:10.55`	`Daara`	`Some cats are just dicks.`
`04:10.57`	`nooblark`	`omg i need to do something with this.`
`04:10.58`	`nooblark`	`like`
`04:11.01`	`nooblark`	`print it 10000 times`
`04:11.05`	`nooblark`	`and hand it out.`
`04:12.30`	`nooblark`	`i'm still laughing, out loud`
`04:12.44`	`Daara`	`i laughed for a good minute or 2`
`04:13.05`	`nooblark`	`omg`
`04:13.08`	`nooblark`	`SUPER AWESOME IDEA`
`04:13.18`	`nooblark`	`sc2, pictionary type of maps.. everyone draws penises.`
`04:13.22`	`nooblark`	`FUCKING DRAW THAT SHIT.`
`04:15.29`	`Triceron`	`I hope Blizzard features that map`
`04:15.39`	`nooblark`	`why?`
`04:15.47`	`Triceron`	`"Simple to learn, hard to master"`
`04:15.54`	`nooblark`	`did you make it?`
`04:16.20`	`Triceron`	`no, but Blizzard featuring a map where you draw penises? That'd be awesome`
`04:16.28`	`Dustin\|Home`	`anyone know how to make a weapon right click attack an ally?`
`04:16.37`	`Triceron`	`right up there on the arcade`
`04:17.23`	`ZombieZasz`	`@dustin i would check under weapon flags, ally is usually set to excluded`
`04:18.12`	`nooblark`	`the map isnt intended for penis drawings.. but that's how the SC community uses the map`
`04:18.24`	`nooblark`	`bunch of 14 year old boys thinking it's funny.`
`04:18.54`	`Dustin\|Home`	`I can attack an ally with pressing A and clicking them, but doesnt work with right click`
`04:26.54`	`nooblark`	`gnight bitches`
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`04:37.12`	`Daara`	`http://i.imgur.com/xCqvSM6.jpg`
`04:37.14`	`Daara`	`nailed it`
`04:37.45`	`Otixa`	`Y U post shit from yesteryear?`
`04:38.15`	`Dogmai`	`~seen blizz-deletarius`
`04:38.16`	`purl`	`blizz-deletarius <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 1d 13h 8m 45s ago, saying: '98-99'.`
`04:40.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Pew pew.`
`04:41.56`	`Otixa`	`hits JademusSreg`
`04:41.57`	`Otixa`	`;D`
`04:42.12`	`JademusSreg`	`<3`
`04:48.23`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Jade, hi`
`04:48.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi thar.`
`04:50.16`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Thanks again bro`
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`04:51.11`	`MasterWrath`	`Hellooo.`
`04:51.22`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Hola`
`04:51.43`	`MasterWrath`	`Watcha all doin?`
`04:52.19`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Considering things that start with the letter M`
`04:52.27`	`MasterWrath`	`Masturbate.`
`04:52.29`	`MasterWrath`	`Fuck...`
`04:52.42`	`MasterWrath`	`Jademus, are you here?`
`04:53.16`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`04:53.31`	`MasterWrath`	`Did you have a chance to work on the center frame today?`
`04:53.35`	`MasterWrath`	`Just wondering, no rush.`
`04:54.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Not yet. I've been enjoying time with my girls.`
`04:54.21`	`MasterWrath`	`Ah, that's sweet.`
`04:54.53`	`Dustin\|Home`	`ughhh`
`04:55.11`	`Dustin\|Home`	`I enable ally in the Smart Filter under the attack ability, but still no dice`
`04:55.45`	`MasterWrath`	`What are you trying to do?`
`04:56.32`	`JademusSreg`	`iirc, I could get a unit to attack player/ally units if they are issued an attack order, which can be done via a hidden autocast ability.`
`04:57.12`	`Daara`	`http://i.imgur.com/NVArzuy.gif`
`04:57.31`	`MasterWrath`	`Shouldn't it be easy to do?`
`04:57.43`	`MasterWrath`	`Just enable ally in the filters on the attack ability and the weapon.`
`04:57.52`	`Dustin\|Home`	`I did`
`04:57.54`	`Dustin\|Home`	`Isnt working`
`04:59.26`	`MasterWrath`	`Now`
`04:59.27`	`MasterWrath`	`Do you mean`
`04:59.38`	`MasterWrath`	`A-Click on them, right-click on them`
`04:59.43`	`motive`	`Guys I'm doing a survey`
`04:59.43`	`MasterWrath`	`Or A-Click in their direction`
`04:59.45`	`motive`	`who here is AFK?`
`04:59.47`	`Dustin\|Home`	`It works with A click`
`04:59.49`	`Dustin\|Home`	`Not Right click`
`04:59.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Me.`
`04:59.55`	`motive`	`Thanks, JademusSreg`
`04:59.57`	`MasterWrath`	`And you want Right-Click..`
`05:00.23`	`Dustin\|Home`	`yes`
`05:01.29`	`Dustin\|Home`	`Fuck it, I have an idea`
`05:02.08`	`AFK`	`Actually, I am motive`
`05:02.27`	`Dustin\|Home`	`nope that wont work`
`05:02.30`	`Dustin\|Home`	`UNLESS`
`05:02.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`05:02.32`	`Dustin\|Home`	`hmmm`
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`05:05.12`	`JademusSreg`	`starts watching Daria on VLC.`
`05:07.39`	`Dustin\|Home`	`high fives JademusSreg`
`05:07.42`	`Dustin\|Home`	`NOstalgia`
`05:08.29`	`JademusSreg`	`is highly fived.`
`05:10.15`	`motive`	`lowly fives JademusSreg.`
`05:11.19`	`JademusSreg`	`has yet to determine how best to follow that with a joke.`
`05:17.31`	`Daara`	`Did you guys hear that Tony Romo tried to throw a Superbowl party?`
`05:17.39`	`Daara`	`It was intercepted though =\`
`05:18.29`	`Dustin\|Home`	`Damn this is stupid`
`05:19.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Given the context, I assume Tony Romo is an american football player who committed a blunder during the most recent Superbowl event.`
`05:20.46`	`Daara`	`no, the dallas cowboys won't be in the super bowl any time soon`
`05:21.11`	`AFK`	`I don't watch football. I play Blood Bowl.`
`05:21.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, I tried. =D`
`05:30.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Let's see if insufflation of the dextrorotatory stereoisomer of C9H13N has any appreciable effects.`
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`05:46.00`	`iMisu`	`Hello`
`05:47.13`	`JademusSreg`	`I need to design a quip for that.`
`06:04.13`	`iMisu`	`I finally figured I'd give the windows seven voice recognition a try an really like it`
`06:09.35`	`ZombieZasz`	`didn't know win7 had voice recognition`
`06:10.28`	`iMisu`	`It's pretty damn awsome wrote a whole lot so far and has had to correct very small amounts`
`06:10.43`	`iMisu`	`Dictation to IRC is even nicer`
`06:12.45`	`ZombieZasz`	`can you assign it to a window or does it only work for the active window?`
`06:14.57`	`iMisu`	`I can quickly switch windows with it I actually don't have to even touch the keyboard or mouse to switch windows`
`06:15.16`	`iMisu`	`But im using on a different computer than the one I am using the map editor on`
`06:15.26`	`iMisu`	`Allowing me to talk to you while map editing`
`06:15.52`	`iMisu`	`It also helps because you won't get to see how bad I am at spelling`
`06:16.01`	`iMisu`	`:)`
`06:17.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Nice. Say something difficult, like "sesquipedalian loquaciousness".`
`06:17.33`	`Daara`	`I love when I'm listening to the raido and the artist says his name at the beginning of the song. It's like they're giving me time to switch the station!`
`06:18.20`	`iMisu`	`Hi my name is Just------ Explosion sound.`
`06:18.37`	`ZombieZasz`	`im better at spelling then pronunciating, but i was thinking it would be awsome for keeping a written transcript when doing video captures`
`06:19.00`	`iMisu`	`Hell you have to that would be amazing`
`06:21.23`	`ZombieZasz`	`just set it up, try saying supercalifragilisticexpialidocious`
`06:21.32`	`ZombieZasz`	`i got: Super televangelist EXP of dishes`
`06:21.38`	`iMisu`	`Super telephone to Expedia load of his`
`06:21.47`	`iMisu`	`LOL thats what I got.`
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`06:22.42`	`iMisu`	`Sit through like two or three sessions in programming it`
`06:22.52`	`iMisu`	`I have sat through two and it works so much better`
`06:23.11`	`iMisu`	`The first time I was talking with out using the programming first was terrible`
`06:23.33`	`iMisu`	`I am able to the blaze now without having to crack too many errors`
`06:23.48`	`JademusSreg`	`I had never considered programming with text-to-speech. Fascinating.`
`06:24.09`	`iMisu`	`I would necessarily tried to make a php web page`
`06:24.27`	`iMisu`	`But it's good for jotting down notes and navigating windows quickly while looking to notepad or something on the desk`
`06:24.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Might work with a verbose language, VB, Lua, a number of scripting languages.`
`06:25.27`	`iMisu`	`I decided to start using its is because I have some notes regarding the map I'm working on for somebody else`
`06:25.46`	`iMisu`	`And it was way too much that eyeball looking at in notepad so I was reading it and it was so much faster`
`06:26.02`	`QueenG`	`how do you get out from force camera follow character?`
`06:26.15`	`iMisu`	`Control shift F`
`06:26.19`	`iMisu`	`Just move your arrow key`
`06:27.29`	`iMisu`	`This is a hell of a lot faster and then typing I guarantee you that`
`06:27.53`	`iMisu`	`I'd type at about 100 words per minute and the speed that I can dictate Spinks this`
`06:27.57`	`iMisu`	`Spanks`
`06:29.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Queen, if you mean via triggers, you call the same function on the same unit group only the boolean argument should be false.`
`06:42.17`	`Otixa`	`emerges`
`06:42.55`	`Triceron`	`crams Otixa back into the ground`
`06:43.20`	`Otixa`	`Shadows, not ground`
`06:43.21`	`Otixa`	`https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T6ZIWGfezo`
`06:43.23`	`Otixa`	`Discuss`
`06:43.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, respectable gentlepersons of class and distinction.`
`06:43.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, I don't click on youtube links unless they are identified beforehand.`
`06:44.11`	`Otixa`	`Just click it`
`06:44.19`	`Otixa`	`I'm trying to start a discussion here >:[`
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`06:44.23`	`Otixa`	`smacks JademusSreg`
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`06:44.45`	`Triceron`	`"This is the alpha version of Bientôt l'été, a game developed by Tale of Tales. To make it short, you must collect sentences and go to the Café. When you are there, you must develope a conversation with your sentences with another player or in simulation."`
`06:45.05`	`Triceron`	`so basically the French version of chat roulette`
`06:45.20`	`Otixa`	`Not quite`
`06:45.49`	`Otixa`	`IKt creates a pretty neat atmosphere`
`06:48.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Their catalogue contains games that are mostly, er, walking. =D`
`06:48.39`	`Otixa`	`;p`
`06:48.42`	`G0A`	`I would rather watch dicks on chat roulette than playing that.D`
`06:49.00`	`Daara`	`I hate when this happens...`
`06:49.00`	`Daara`	`http://i.imgur.com/VFkmIGa.gif`
`06:49.23`	`JademusSreg`	`G0A, why only on chat roulette? =D`
`06:49.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Daar, infomercials depend on the idiocy of their consumers.`
`06:50.28`	`Daara`	`haha`
`06:50.36`	`Daara`	`i love the videos though`
`06:50.39`	`Daara`	`they are hilarious!`
`06:50.52`	`Daara`	`could you imagine a reality show that had people that clumsy?`
`06:51.24`	`Daara`	`http://i.imgur.com/w1luPoh.gif`
`06:51.35`	`Daara`	`who uses a door stop to slice bread?`
`06:52.16`	`Otixa`	`People like you ;P`
`06:52.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Regarding the game, the idea of collecting words to communicate is stimulating, but collecting entire sentences is less interesting. The dialogues are obviously prescripted; most games have you doing busy work to further the narrative, but this one does it literally.`
`06:53.00`	`Otixa`	`JademusSreg, yeah, but as a concept the game is pretty neat imo`
`06:53.20`	`Otixa`	`As far as visual aesthetics and environmental narrative, it's pretty interesting aswell`
`06:53.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure, but ideas, however interesting, are only as good as their implementations.`
`06:54.11`	`QueenG`	`okay it worked thanks, no JademusSreg the custom map I was playing did a force camera follow on my character.`
`06:54.21`	`QueenG`	`but thanks for offering via triggers`
`06:54.29`	`Otixa`	`Well, you have to try to see what works and what doesn't`
`06:54.41`	`Otixa`	`But I generally approve of this`
`06:55.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, the aesthetics had a surreal quality to them, and the "atmosphere" or feel of the game reminded me of the film adaptation of Naked Lunch.`
`06:55.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Minus the body horror.`
`06:55.48`	`Otixa`	`Bientôt l’été is a videogame for two players. Two players who pretend to be lovers. They pretend to be lovers separated from each other by lightyears of deep space. They have lonely walks along the shore of a simulated ocean, thinking wistful thoughts of each other. Thoughts from ancient Earth literature by Marguerite Duras.`
`06:56.25`	`Otixa`	`Could have been awesome with better execution`
`06:56.25`	`JademusSreg`	`I appreciate what they are attempting. It is the approach of which I am skeptical.`
`06:56.29`	`Otixa`	`shrugs`
`06:57.51`	`Otixa`	`Should maybe attempt to make a game like this when I have time`
`06:58.07`	`Otixa`	`But make it interesting to play ;p`
`06:58.37`	`Otixa`	`I mean, it could be interesting to play with your gf or whatever`
`06:58.47`	`Otixa`	`But random people on the interbutts... eh ;\`
`07:00.02`	`Otixa`	`hits Saeris`
`07:00.04`	`Otixa`	`Wakeup`
`07:00.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Imagine a similar mechanic, similar premise, and make the other "lover" another player.`
`07:00.47`	`Saeris`	`huh?`
`07:00.51`	`Otixa`	`It is a player in that game`
`07:00.56`	`Otixa`	`Saeris, read up ;p`
`07:01.28`	`Otixa`	`Well, it's more of a simulation than a game`
`07:01.32`	`JademusSreg`	`And extend the range of sentences to cover more than some preconceived set of narratives.`
`07:01.32`	`Otixa`	`But ye`
`07:01.43`	`Otixa`	`Yeah`
`07:01.49`	`Otixa`	`If they had a speech engine`
`07:02.01`	`Saeris`	`oh, that game`
`07:02.02`	`Otixa`	`That would stitch together words into sentences without them sounding odd`
`07:02.02`	`Saeris`	`meh`
`07:02.05`	`Saeris`	`not interested`
`07:02.27`	`Otixa`	`Tho, imo, there needs to be a more cooperative aspect to it`
`07:02.37`	`Otixa`	`Like, in order to get words you would have to do things`
`07:02.44`	`Otixa`	`i.e. solve some puzzles around the beach`
`07:02.53`	`Otixa`	`And you'd need your partner to help`
`07:03.23`	`Otixa`	`Or am I trying to gamify this too much? ;p`
`07:03.24`	`JademusSreg`	`2 players playing the role of lovers, exploring one another or the pretend other, playing out a virtual relationship. Not with a bot, not along the bifurcated rails of someone else's story, but between two human players.`
`07:03.34`	`JademusSreg`	`That is fascinating.`
`07:04.03`	`Otixa`	`Ye, it does have a lot of potential`
`07:04.23`	`JademusSreg`	`In response to your suggestions, Otixa, I'd ask this: when you're at a social function and you meet someone interesting in some capacity, what do you do?`
`07:04.39`	`Otixa`	`"Y hello that ;DD"`
`07:04.55`	`Otixa`	`thar*`
`07:05.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Seriously. Not "what do you say", but what do you do?`
`07:05.22`	`Otixa`	`Well, I study them`
`07:05.35`	`Otixa`	`Find out things about them etc etc`
`07:05.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Precisely.`
`07:05.46`	`JademusSreg`	`The other person -is- the puzzle.`
`07:05.58`	`Otixa`	`So how would this translate into a game?`
`07:06.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Already addressed it. =D`
`07:06.39`	`Otixa`	`So just asking stuff about eachother using a limited set of words?`
`07:06.48`	`Otixa`	`Could be interesting`
`07:08.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Any set of people forced together will develop social systems, given time and opportunity. When people ignore one another, like on public transit, it's because they don't need to bother developing a relationship with someone they'll never see again; the brain barely registers the other passengers as Persons.`
`07:08.49`	`Otixa`	`Yeah, but considering the virtual nature of the interaction`
`07:09.11`	`Otixa`	`Why would they bother actually doing whatever if they get matched with a new person each time they start a game?`
`07:09.15`	`JademusSreg`	`So imagine each player is paired with another player until they separate.`
`07:09.24`	`Otixa`	`Ah`
`07:09.38`	`JademusSreg`	`A de facto relationship; proximity, time, and opportunity satisfied.`
`07:09.57`	`Otixa`	`That could actually be pretty interesting`
`07:10.38`	`JademusSreg`	`The players are puzzles to one another, attempting to solve one another given the dialogue options available, but a finite set to prevent subversive play from dominating, of course.`
`07:10.53`	`JademusSreg`	`And they play until their relationship sours, and move on, as people do in life.`
`07:11.24`	`Otixa`	`What if it doesn't? ;p`
`07:11.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Then it's all the more poignant.`
`07:12.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Imagine two players, sincerely in love with one another, like the characters in the story, playing until they die.`
`07:12.06`	`Otixa`	`It'd be interesting if the atmosphere would change depending on the system's pervccieved relationship status between the pair`
`07:12.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, or perhaps change the world to make it worth exploring.`
`07:12.42`	`Otixa`	`Yeah`
`07:12.57`	`Otixa`	`Someone should make that ;D`
`07:13.20`	`JademusSreg`	`[01:57:52] <Otixa> Should maybe attempt to make a game like this when I have time`
`07:13.27`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
`07:13.34`	`Otixa`	`Yeah, but dissertation now ._.`
`07:14.02`	`Otixa`	`Guess I could try once done tho :B`
`07:23.24`	`JademusSreg`	`wonders if there is XML definitions for the dialog and dialog control properties.`
`07:23.28`	`JademusSreg`	`*are`
`07:23.31`	`JademusSreg`	`brb++`
`07:28.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Rawr.`
`07:28.33`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Moo.`
`07:28.48`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Lots of progress has been made.`
`07:28.50`	`Otixa`	`Hurr`
`07:32.10`	`Daara`	`holy shit`
`07:32.13`	`Daara`	`i just got inceptioned`
`07:32.24`	`JademusSreg`	`???`
`07:32.44`	`Daara`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVkQ0C4qDvM&feature=player_embedded`
`07:34.15`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (Bibendus@ip-80-249-36-63.static.adsl.cheapnet.it)`
`07:34.49`	`iMisu`	`http://faceshush.com/ajax/`
`07:35.12`	`Daara`	`misu`
`07:35.33`	`iMisu`	`Yes?`
`07:36.37`	`iMisu`	`Yes Daara`
`07:36.44`	`Daara`	`i forgot`
`07:36.56`	`Daara`	`sorry if i made you feel important for a second!`
`07:37.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`07:37.28`	`iMisu`	`http://ajax.faceshush.com/`
`07:38.09`	`Daara`	`why u links?`
`07:38.19`	`iMisu`	`for Nooblark`
`07:38.46`	`Daara`	`didn't he go to sleep like hours ago?`
`07:38.51`	`iMisu`	`yes`
`07:38.54`	`iMisu`	`But he sees`
`07:39.38`	`Daara`	`he sees all?`
`07:39.42`	`Daara`	`is he the dark lord?`
`07:39.55`	`iMisu`	`That would some how by my girlfriend`
`07:40.03`	`iMisu`	`She sees and knows all... Im still confused`
`07:40.17`	`iMisu`	`I could think something while on the otherside of the world`
`07:40.22`	`iMisu`	`and I would get back and she would be like`
`07:40.26`	`iMisu`	`ARE U FOR REAL?`
`07:40.30`	`iMisu`	`I would be like wtf>`
`07:40.54`	`iMisu`	`Daara`
`07:41.08`	`Otixa`	`Are you tards high again? >;/`
`07:42.01`	`iMisu`	`Daara`
`07:42.03`	`iMisu`	`Testing this`
`07:42.04`	`iMisu`	`Login`
`07:42.05`	`iMisu`	`http://ajax.faceshush.com/`
`07:42.06`	`Daara`	`wut`
`07:42.47`	`Daara`	`works fine`
`07:42.51`	`Daara`	`dgaf bra`
`07:42.53`	`iMisu`	`drag a file`
`07:42.59`	`iMisu`	`to the white area on the right`
`07:43.04`	`iMisu`	`instant upload`
`07:43.08`	`iMisu`	`should anyway`
`07:43.45`	`Daara`	`yep uploaded`
`07:43.58`	`iMisu`	`shwing`
`07:44.07`	`iMisu`	`makes google repository cry`
`07:44.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Whose site is this?`
`07:44.16`	`iMisu`	`mine`
`07:45.04`	`iMisu`	`Why?`
`07:45.16`	`Otixa`	`No it isn't ;p`
`07:45.21`	`iMisu`	`Yes it is.`
`07:45.22`	`iMisu`	`lol`
`07:45.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Taz Caballer or Taz Caballero?`
`07:45.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds fake.`
`07:45.36`	`Otixa`	`^`
`07:45.36`	`iMisu`	`Caballer`
`07:45.40`	`iMisu`	`Here`
`07:45.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Arizona or California?`
`07:46.16`	`Daara`	`cali`
`07:46.55`	`iMisu`	`http://faceshush.com/test.txt`
`07:47.02`	`iMisu`	`Click`
`07:47.29`	`Otixa`	`This only proves you haz FTP/SSH ;P`
`07:47.36`	`iMisu`	`Oh please,`
`07:47.41`	`Otixa`	`Also, weren't you supposed to be an insecure asian girl?`
`07:47.42`	`iMisu`	`Less cack sukage`
`07:47.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahaha.`
`07:47.48`	`iMisu`	`Thats my g.f`
`07:47.54`	`iMisu`	`And shes not issure you dick head`
`07:48.00`	`JademusSreg`	`issure?`
`07:48.04`	`Otixa`	`cackles`
`07:48.08`	`iMisu`	`Insecure.`
`07:48.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, voice to text errors.`
`07:48.22`	`iMisu`	`^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^`
`07:48.24`	`Otixa`	`So`
`07:48.31`	`Otixa`	`Sloloris? ;p`
`07:48.48`	`iMisu`	`What ddos?`
`07:49.26`	`Otixa`	`Gief botnet for DDoS ;p`
`07:49.33`	`iMisu`	`:P`
`07:49.42`	`iMisu`	`Only have 30 servers`
`07:49.47`	`Otixa`	`Slowloris is a lot more elegant anyway`
`07:49.55`	`Otixa`	`BUT ANYWAY`
`07:50.01`	`Otixa`	`Back to TV :B`
`07:50.05`	`iMisu`	`yah u go`
`07:50.12`	`iMisu`	`Dont get some of this`
`07:50.22`	`Otixa`	`wot`
`07:50.24`	`Daara`	`leave him be, he's gotta have some tea and crumpits`
`07:50.36`	`iMisu`	`pass on the crumpits`
`07:50.39`	`iMisu`	`take the Tea though`
`07:50.41`	`iMisu`	`any day`
`07:50.44`	`Otixa`	`hits Daara`
`07:50.47`	`Daara`	`:D`
`07:50.52`	`Otixa`	`STILL NOT A BRIT`
`07:50.56`	`Otixa`	`Coffee & redbull`
`07:50.58`	`Otixa`	`kk`
`07:50.58`	`iMisu`	`misu will take the crumpits`
`07:51.02`	`Daara`	`also, french fries are not CHIPS`
`07:51.17`	`iMisu`	`and tacos are not tostadas`
`07:51.20`	`Otixa`	`Crisps :D`
`07:51.30`	`Otixa`	`Pants not trousers?!`
`07:51.31`	`Daara`	`fucking brits changing the name of american inventions lol`
`07:51.55`	`ZombieZasz`	`merica`
`07:51.55`	`Otixa`	`French fries are American? ;p`
`07:51.55`	`Daara`	`pantaloons :D`
`07:52.04`	`iMisu`	`Sound french to me....`
`07:52.23`	`Otixa`	`Tacos are american?`
`07:52.26`	`Daara`	`yes`
`07:52.30`	`iMisu`	`Pick the world up and drop it on yer "fawkin head"///////`
`07:52.43`	`Otixa`	`sticks a DUMBFUCK sticker on Daara's forehead`
`07:52.50`	`Daara`	`look it up ^_~`
`07:52.58`	`iMisu`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6GwaCaeLb8`
`07:53.17`	`Otixa`	`A taco (pron.: /ˈtɑːkoʊ/, pron.: /ˈtækoʊ/) Nahuatl: tlacopan[1] [t͡ɬa.'ko.pan] is a traditional Mexican dish`
`07:53.18`	`Otixa`	`Herp?`
`07:53.27`	`iMisu`	`thats not how you spell porn`
`07:53.35`	`Otixa`	`pr0n`
`07:53.43`	`iMisu`	`a taco....`
`07:54.06`	`JademusSreg`	`http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=taco`
`07:54.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Plug.`
`07:54.14`	`JademusSreg`	`A food plug.`
`07:54.30`	`iMisu`	`plug wadding ?`
`07:54.35`	`iMisu`	`sounds like a sexual act`
`07:54.40`	`JademusSreg`	`plug, wadding`
`07:54.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Comma.`
`07:54.43`	`Otixa`	`plugs a taco into JademusSreg`
`07:54.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Plugs a plug?`
`07:54.52`	`JademusSreg`	`HAha`
`07:54.55`	`JademusSreg`	`WAIT.`
`07:54.57`	`iMisu`	`plug`
`07:54.59`	`iMisu`	`or PLUG`
`07:55.03`	`Daara`	`the current taco is not the same as the traditional taco`
`07:55.05`	`Otixa`	`chuckles`
`07:55.05`	`iMisu`	`as in fill, or inject?>`
`07:55.06`	`JademusSreg`	`This means taco can now be used as a verb.`
`07:55.16`	`Daara`	`the taco we all know and eat now was invented by taco bell, shit you not!`
`07:55.27`	`iMisu`	`bullshit`
`07:55.29`	`Otixa`	`JademusSreg, an interesting development :o`
`07:55.55`	`Otixa`	`Now I can taco "taco" in my sentences :D`
`07:56.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Hell yes.`
`07:56.23`	`Otixa`	`highfives JademusSreg's forehead`
`07:56.34`	`Otixa`	`...I think that makes a facepalm`
`07:56.37`	`Otixa`	`But close enough`
`07:56.39`	`Otixa`	`:DD`
`07:56.49`	`JademusSreg`	`fives highly anyway.`
`07:56.52`	`JademusSreg`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taco#Traditional_tacos`
`07:56.53`	`ZombieZasz`	`has a sudden craving for tacos`
`07:57.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Looks pretty much the same, Daar.`
`07:57.16`	`iMisu`	`I some reason visual of Daara`
`07:57.21`	`iMisu`	`a white midget`
`07:57.27`	`iMisu`	`eating onion rings`
`07:57.31`	`Daara`	`gross`
`07:57.32`	`iMisu`	`while slapping the mouse`
`07:57.34`	`iMisu`	`to triggers`
`07:57.36`	`iMisu`	`and models`
`07:57.41`	`Daara`	`i hate onion rings`
`07:57.48`	`iMisu`	`lol`
`07:57.51`	`Otixa`	`I somehow the whole onion rings`
`07:57.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`07:58.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Is this safe?`
`07:58.08`	`Daara`	`is it secret?`
`07:58.15`	`iMisu`	`i some times when i dont ok i know when though cause sometimes it make`
`07:58.16`	`Otixa`	`Safety is a priority`
`07:58.23`	`iMisu`	`when i have of course its like it when it should be`
`07:58.28`	`iMisu`	`DAH FUK`
`07:58.38`	`Daara`	`holy grammar`
`07:58.46`	`iMisu`	`<Otixa>I somehow the whole onion rings`
`07:58.55`	`Otixa`	`[09:57] <iMisu> I some reason visual of Daara`
`07:59.07`	`iMisu`	`I am using voice to text`
`07:59.14`	`Daara`	`lol`
`07:59.32`	`Daara`	`it types out DAH FUK for you too?`
`07:59.58`	`iMisu`	`No.`
`08:00.04`	`Daara`	`awe :c`
`08:00.12`	`iMisu`	`I have to say " Spell D A H SPACE F U K "`
`08:00.28`	`Daara`	`wouldn't it be quicker to just type it?`
`08:02.04`	`iMisu`	`If the keyboard was next to me, Yes.`
`08:02.30`	`Daara`	`http://i.imgur.com/OCB8ih7.gif`
`08:02.37`	`Daara`	`love dekembe mutambo`
`08:05.54`	`iMisu`	`date ip level user action params`
`08:05.54`	`iMisu`	`02-07-13 2:42:30 98.168.218.132 INFO daara Log In `
`08:06.00`	`iMisu`	`WE HAVE DAARA CORNERED`
`08:06.03`	`iMisu`	`GEETTTTHEEEEIM`
`08:06.16`	`Daara`	`:c`
`08:06.20`	`iMisu`	`lololol`
`08:06.40`	`iMisu`	`Testing logging ability`
`08:10.29`	`iMisu`	`OMG`
`08:10.32`	`iMisu`	`I FOUND A MOUSE`
`08:15.39`	`Otixa`	`Pineapple.`
`08:16.41`	`Daara`	`Delicious.`
`08:34.01`	`iMisu`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIRv1B_XCA4`
`08:34.07`	`iMisu`	`This is just fucking hilarious`
`08:34.33`	`iMisu`	`Tractor runs over its own motor... lol`
`08:37.10`	`iMisu`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LzcGXHjpdM`
`08:37.14`	`iMisu`	`go to 2 minutes lol`
`08:37.18`	`iMisu`	`fucking stupid cat LOL`
`08:37.28`	`iMisu`	`wants to get it self erased from history by capacitors`
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`08:39.22`	`Daara`	`omg`
`08:39.32`	`iMisu`	`hurls the cat from danger.`
`08:39.33`	`iMisu`	`lol`
`08:39.36`	`Daara`	`i worked the Iowa state fair last year and was right next to the stadium where they did tractor pulls`
`08:39.42`	`Daara`	`the loudest fucking thing ever`
`08:39.54`	`iMisu`	`lol`
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`08:45.32`	`iMisu`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIMJNtFoSXo`
`08:45.36`	`iMisu`	`owned`
`08:51.07`	`Kubi_`	`BITCHES LOVE ONEY`
`08:51.08`	`Kubi_`	`money`
`08:51.35`	`Kubi_`	`ESPECIALLY when they don't have to work for it`
`08:51.55`	`iMisu`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=o2oZWpqtNi4&feature=endscreen`
`08:52.04`	`iMisu`	`If some one ever asks me who I am`
`08:52.07`	`iMisu`	`I am going to master this shit`
`08:52.10`	`iMisu`	`And replicate it`
`08:52.29`	`Kubi_`	`Not really "epic"`
`08:52.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Who doesn't love oney?`
`08:52.40`	`Kubi_`	`A clear sign of someone with a lot of drug abuse and mental illness.`
`08:53.00`	`Kubi_`	`I wouldn't consider Charles Manson intelligent at all.`
`08:53.13`	`G0A`	`iMisu I feel that whole show is just acting...`
`08:53.25`	`Daara`	`are you mad?`
`08:53.27`	`iMisu`	`Hell yea hes just acting`
`08:53.27`	`Daara`	`do you feel blame?`
`08:53.41`	`JademusSreg`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oney_(song)`
`08:53.52`	`Daara`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XREnvJRkif0`
`08:54.39`	`Daara`	`Do you feel blame? Are you mad? Uh, do you feel like wolf kabob Roth vantage? Gefrannis booj pooch boo jujube; bear-ramage. Jigiji geeji geeja geeble Google. Begep flagaggle vaggle veditch-waggle bagga?`
`08:54.54`	`iMisu`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcIACHhslmo`
`08:55.01`	`iMisu`	`starcraft lego mode`
`08:55.08`	`JademusSreg`	`I do not know what is being discussed.`
`08:55.36`	`Daara`	`i can't even reproduce what he says`
`08:55.40`	`Daara`	`i start laughing`
`08:58.05`	`iMisu`	`fukin carriers man`
`08:58.10`	`iMisu`	`just to tell you carriers man...`
`08:58.58`	`iMisu`	`Uh, do you feel like wolf kabob Roth vantage? Gefrannis booj pooch boo jujube; bear-ramage. Jigiji geeji geeja geeble Google. Begep flagaggle vaggle veditch-waggle bagga?`
`08:59.04`	`iMisu`	`My new android ring tone`
`09:00.05`	`Kubi_`	`California girl`
`09:00.11`	`Kubi_`	`What you doing up at 1 in the morning`
`09:00.18`	`iMisu`	`Its her b/f`
`09:00.27`	`iMisu`	`lol shes rarely on the computer now that shes doing school.`
`09:02.06`	`Kubi_`	`iMisu is now a man.`
`09:02.08`	`Kubi_`	`scary`
`09:02.22`	`iMisu`	`I terrify my self sometimes.`
`09:02.56`	`JademusSreg`	`???`
`09:07.42`	`iMisu`	`im snoozin`
`09:07.44`	`iMisu`	`later all`
`09:12.12`	`G0A`	`rofl : multi-platform shooter? MMO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA3DDCNzSI4 end of it looks zergish:D`
`09:17.28`	`Daara`	`omg i just scared the sht out of myself`
`09:17.47`	`JademusSreg`	`And the i.`
`09:18.21`	`Daara`	`i clicked on a link from imgur for a youtube video and was closer the browser that had images of the weeping angels from dr. who`
`09:18.38`	`Daara`	`closing*`
`09:18.58`	`Daara`	`and there was a loud screech at the beginning`
`09:19.01`	`Daara`	`-_-`
`09:19.27`	`Daara`	`my surround sound made it sound like it came from behind me`
`09:19.35`	`Daara`	`fffffffuuuuu`
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`09:27.24`	`Vindicator`	`anyone getting the HotS editor issue with starting it up justsimply needs to start the HotS game, login, then leave, and the HotS beta editor should work just fine then`
`09:27.30`	`Vindicator`	`that's fixed in 2x in a row for me and the problem starts after having run either WoL and/or the WoL editor`
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`09:53.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Insufflation of the dextrorotatory stereoisomer of C9H13N had no appreciable effects.`
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`10:01.34`	`Otixa`	`'ello cupcake`
`10:01.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Wink.`
`10:05.08`	`Otixa`	`JademusSreg, you married rite?`
`10:05.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes. Half of which are ongoing.`
`10:05.40`	`Otixa`	`Eh wot?`
`10:06.17`	`JademusSreg`	`A jocular reference to having also previously married and subsequently divorced.`
`10:06.39`	`Otixa`	`Ah`
`10:07.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Why the inquiry? =D`
`10:07.03`	`Otixa`	`So being married sucks?`
`10:07.17`	`Otixa`	`My mind wanders`
`10:07.26`	`JademusSreg`	`I would wager it depends entirely on the company you keep.`
`10:07.55`	`Otixa`	`I don't really like people :P`
`10:08.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Nor I.`
`10:08.31`	`Otixa`	`But you like a person, ye? ;p`
`10:08.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Though there are exceptions to the general case, yes.`
`10:09.24`	`Otixa`	`That was the part where you supposed to reassure me that everyone sucks and I should carry on being a bitter asshole >:\|`
`10:09.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Whatever pleases you.`
`10:10.02`	`Otixa`	`nnrgh`
`10:10.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Though.`
`10:11.24`	`JademusSreg`	`I must admit some humor when people who are practically hermits lament never meeting anyone they like. My wife's brother, for example, haha.`
`10:13.28`	`Otixa`	`I did meet someone I like tho`
`10:13.38`	`Otixa`	`It didn't end well`
`10:13.42`	`Otixa`	`¬_¬`
`10:13.58`	`JademusSreg`	`I have experience there, as well. Haha`
`10:15.03`	`Otixa`	`flails arms`
`10:15.09`	`Otixa`	`Fuck females`
`10:15.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Mostly, I obliviously exploited people who were interested in me for which I had no consideration.`
`10:16.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, I imagine your ordeal was recent given your vehemence.`
`10:16.39`	`JademusSreg`	`It tastes fresh.`
`10:16.46`	`Otixa`	`Nah, that's the worst part`
`10:16.51`	`Otixa`	`It's been nearly a year`
`10:16.58`	`Otixa`	`And I'm in a relationship now`
`10:17.03`	`Otixa`	`And I'm like ehhhhhhhhhhhhh`
`10:17.12`	`Otixa`	`;/`
`10:18.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, I'd encourage you to live more a libertine, a rake like me. Why attach oneself if one does not have a sincere desire to do so?`
`10:20.49`	`Otixa`	`I like sex >>`
`10:21.15`	`Otixa`	`shoves a glass of whiskey in JademusSreg's hands`
`10:21.19`	`Otixa`	`Good morning ;p`
`10:21.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes. Most people do, if done correctly.`
`10:21.36`	`JademusSreg`	`I -wish- I had some whiskey.`
`10:21.49`	`Otixa`	`Turns out it's thursday`
`10:21.59`	`Otixa`	`no lectures ;p`
`10:22.00`	`JademusSreg`	`There is no shortage of people with genitals.`
`10:22.53`	`Otixa`	`There's a shortage of people with the right kind of genitals whose words/reasoning skills do not make me want to strangle them`
`10:23.29`	`JademusSreg`	`I am confident you could find any number of people willing to engage in intercourse, with a level of effort involved corresponding to handsomeness and charisma.`
`10:24.04`	`Otixa`	`Yeah, but I want a companion >:C`
`10:24.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Why worry about being selective during the interim, though?`
`10:24.15`	`Otixa`	`Someone who isn't completely fucking retarded`
`10:24.34`	`Otixa`	`I dislike having sex with random people :\|`
`10:24.51`	`JademusSreg`	`You won't be any closer to finding a companion by remaining in a stagnant relationship.`
`10:24.58`	`Otixa`	`I tried, but it's like something in the back of my mind screaming WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING`
`10:25.11`	`Otixa`	`Eh, I dunno`
`10:25.18`	`Otixa`	`She fits the profile tho <<`
`10:25.28`	`Otixa`	`Studying games programming`
`10:25.36`	`Otixa`	`Plays starcraft`
`10:25.44`	`Otixa`	`etc etc`
`10:25.50`	`JademusSreg`	`I'll tell a little story in private chat, if you like. Move this discussion to something affording more dignity.`
`10:26.01`	`Otixa`	`Hokeydokey :>`
`10:27.31`	`twodie`	`heh :/`
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`10:51.44`	`Zolden`	`twodie: i thhink 2v2 rank change is twice more than it should be`
`10:52.26`	`Zolden`	`it adds/subtracts 15 instead of 7.5 for 1600vs1600`
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`11:19.44`	`Vindicator`	`in the HotS beta, how do you get command cards of units to display instead of the noob help "right click to attack" etc etc?`
`11:21.03`	`Vindicator`	`like, i know there's the option in gameplay to uncheck "simple command card" but i can't believe that players would have to uncheck that in order to see all the options available to them in custom games. there must be a way to override it`
`11:21.54`	`Zolden`	`Vindicator: I helped it by removing simple text from buttons`
`11:22.23`	`Zolden`	`some buttons like move and attack hide other buttons by their text, so just remove it`
`11:22.42`	`Zolden`	`i've tried to uncheck some simple-related flags, but they didn't seem to do anything`
`11:23.13`	`Vindicator`	`flags was the first place i looked in the unit i'm working with but i didn't see anything that said "simple". do u remember where u saw that?`
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`11:24.18`	`Zolden`	`it's button entry`
`11:25.58`	`Vindicator`	`oh i found it and that worked for me`
`11:26.32`	`Vindicator`	`actually, i changed one button on the middle row of the command card and all the buttons on the middle row were displayed and the top and bottom rows got covered by the noob text`
`11:32.42`	`Vindicator`	`Thanks!`
`11:33.29`	`Zolden`	`thank blizz who created this shit :)`
`11:33.36`	`Zolden`	`twodie: r u here?`
`11:33.49`	`twodie`	`yeah`
`11:33.54`	`Zolden`	`check: http://snag.gy/fS1kX.jpg`
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`11:34.16`	`Zolden`	`making a new map generating system`
`11:35.18`	`twodie`	`Zolden what your goal with making it happen? :]`
`11:35.56`	`Zolden`	`to fix rol and civ map generators`
`11:36.27`	`Zolden`	`maybe even make a funny map`
`11:36.33`	`Zolden`	`with digging involved`
`11:36.38`	`Zolden`	`or mining`
`11:36.42`	`Zolden`	`or canyon flight`
`11:37.25`	`Zolden`	`just experimenting with what we can do like baby experiments with its penis`
`11:41.31`	`Otixa`	`You ;D`
`11:44.28`	`Zolden`	`Ю`
`11:46.08`	`Otixa`	`сам ю`
`11:51.00`	`Zolden`	`anyone know how to get rid of the near cut? camera cuts terrain mesh ;/ http://snag.gy/1d79z.jpg`
`11:51.51`	`Vindicator`	`you'd need to modify the near-clip in camera properties, though in WoL that would bug-out often and cause graphical artifacts`
`11:52.22`	`Vindicator`	`i don't remember it being that bad with the default settings though o.O`
`11:53.17`	`Zolden`	`terrain is created by "terrain deformer" actors`
`11:53.30`	`Zolden`	`and camera is buggy about it`
`11:58.24`	`Vindicator`	`hmmmm, maybe a large section is being deformed and when the center of that section goes off of the screen, then that deformed section disappears?`
`11:59.12`	`Vindicator`	`if it's possible, i'd try making the terrain deformation in smaller sections and see if u notice a difference`
`12:03.15`	`Zolden`	`good idea, but all terrain deformers are getting removed immediately`
`12:03.22`	`Zolden`	`also, they all are very small`
`12:03.38`	`Zolden`	`while the cut planes are far from each other`
`12:04.07`	`Vindicator`	`maybe don't deform the outer bit of the map?`
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`12:06.26`	`Zolden`	`yea, I could push terrain instead of popping it, it would solve the shit, but still i'm curious`
`12:07.24`	`Vindicator`	`like, i've seen similar things happen with units that are really big, when the center of the unit/actor goes far enough off the screen, it disappears before the whole thing was actually off the screen`
`12:07.39`	`Vindicator`	`it's rare, but this looks like the same kinda thing to me`
`12:08.21`	`Vindicator`	`and even though the terrain deforming actor is being destroyed or whatever, my guess is that there's got to be some sort of actor in the background for the terrain that's still there to allow the deformed terrain to display`
`12:09.09`	`Vindicator`	`or it modifies the original actors for the terrain that is in the background that we might or might not even really have access to`
`12:11.13`	`Zolden`	`yes, the situation with big units or long beams is the same`
`12:11.46`	`Zolden`	`and yes, I agree, probably terrain has some "sections", and they become invisible whhen their center is outside of view`
`12:12.31`	`Zolden`	`and we know that this can be fixed for beams, colossus beam is an example, he can be outside of camera view, but beams are still visible`
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`12:38.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Back.`
`12:39.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Bounding sphere.`
`12:39.55`	`JademusSreg`	`The model's bounding sphere determines its off-camera render distance, iirc.`
`12:45.40`	`Zolden`	`what about mesh?`
`12:45.53`	`Zolden`	`i mean what about terrain mesh`
`12:46.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Sorry, I only read the part about models disappearing out of camera.`
`12:46.30`	`JademusSreg`	`What's the problem?`
`12:46.33`	`Zolden`	`it turns off the nearest squares of terrain http://snag.gy/Piz1b.jpg`
`12:47.01`	`Zolden`	`(ty for the bounding sphere info, good to know)`
`12:47.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Wow.`
`12:47.14`	`JademusSreg`	`I've never seen that issue before.`
`12:47.46`	`Zolden`	`it's terrain created by lots of "terrain deformer" actors`
`12:48.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Does the same occur with editor-deformed terrain?`
`12:48.13`	`Zolden`	`nope`
`12:48.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm. Very interesting.`
`12:49.06`	`Zolden`	`only the terrain deformers, camera also doesn't reac to their height and don't have height offset depending on the point's height`
`12:49.35`	`JademusSreg`	`It makes sense. The camera plane is a static mesh.`
`12:49.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Same as the air plane mesh.`
`12:50.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Generated by the map, can't be changed at runtime.`
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`12:50.16`	`Zolden`	`yea ;/`
`12:50.47`	`Zolden`	`but i hope there is a parameter to increase the space of terrain mesh`
`12:51.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Seems a change in perspective is in order.`
`12:51.19`	`Ahli`	`or hope for locally running triggers that adjust that for your camera position`
`12:51.25`	`Vindicator`	`camera plane and air plane? i though air units just had a height defined somewhere? what would an air plane be used for?`
`12:51.48`	`Zolden`	`Vindicator: they fly higher above the hills`
`12:51.54`	`JademusSreg`	`The air plane defines how air units move over cliff levels and shit.`
`12:52.06`	`Vindicator`	`interesting kk`
`12:52.16`	`Zolden`	`Ahli: yea... a hope`
`12:52.31`	`Vindicator`	`i was wondering how air units didn't go nuts or get all jerky when climbing cliffs`
`12:52.33`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg: this annoying cut is visible for every perspective`
`12:52.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Orly? Screenshot?`
`12:52.54`	`Zolden`	`ook`
`12:52.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Try top down?`
`12:55.28`	`Zolden`	`yea, but first, angle of view reduced from 50 to 24, and cut is the same http://snag.gy/UCZYc.jpg`
`12:55.42`	`Ahli`	`local triggers would be mostly a big addition to the compiler and a change in that what detects desyncs in case that is checking that data.`
`12:56.53`	`Ahli`	`and bugs in the compiler could easily mess up the game`
`12:56.53`	`JademusSreg`	`That's very interesting, but those aren't terrain cells. That appears to be an 8*8 square of terrain cells.`
`12:57.32`	`JademusSreg`	`I wonder why it would cut an 8*8 section of them.`
`12:58.43`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg: you right, angle of attack matters, and top down view have no cut, and i know exactly why`
`12:59.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Local code probably won't ever be supported, not unless Blizzard has a need for it.`
`12:59.36`	`Zolden`	`array of 88's is faster to clculate then array of 11's`
`12:59.39`	`twodie`	`Finally fixed this fucking chair!`
`13:00.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Makes sense, as a technical convenience. =D`
`13:00.15`	`Zolden`	`i think it calculates it after every camera move to turn off the outside of view squares and turn on the inside of view`
`13:00.49`	`Zolden`	`twodie: real chair? real life chair? it's insane!`
`13:01.12`	`JademusSreg`	`It's a chair for fucking, apparently.`
`13:02.24`	`twodie`	`for fucking? huh :/`
`13:02.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`13:07.13`	`Ahli`	`I don't think there is a way to force a neutral building that you gain control of like watchtower to display button info from your hero?`
`13:07.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Don't get the last part.`
`13:08.03`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg: http://snag.gy/BpTeW.jpg`
`13:08.11`	`Zolden`	`this is how cut become visible`
`13:08.55`	`Zolden`	`camera calculates outside of view parts based on editor-created surface`
`13:09.11`	`JademusSreg`	`That's what I figured. =D`
`13:09.16`	`Ahli`	`I got a shop that heroes go to and buy things and I want it to make it as dynamic as possible. It's for buying upgrades. You gain control of it via interact ability, but the UI uses the shop owener's catalog to display buttons and names instead of the player's one`
`13:10.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Not certain. Worth testing, but I think it's plausible.`
`13:10.47`	`JademusSreg`	`I mean, imagine you have shared control with an ally; catalog changes to their shit should be visible to you.`
`13:10.50`	`Ahli`	`is there a way to make buttons appear/disappear in the shop depending on user?`
`13:11.13`	`JademusSreg`	`I doubt there is an elegant or scalable way to do it.`
`13:11.42`	`JademusSreg`	`The closest approach I know is to make a duplicate unit for each player.`
`13:12.22`	`JademusSreg`	`But in that case, may as well make the unit belong to the player.`
`13:14.33`	`Zolden`	`Ahli maybe show all buttons with a requirement, and let each player has a specific upgrade to show only his buttons`
`13:15.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Sadly, wouldn't work unless you give ownership.`
`13:15.24`	`Ahli`	`well, I can test if it uses the player's requirement, but I doubt it as the button used is from the shop owner's catalog, too`
`13:15.50`	`Ahli`	`at least you can pay with your own money, if the shop is neutral...`
`13:16.41`	`Ahli`	`man... do you know what I will do?`
`13:16.43`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, I was thinking of making my map only have 1 large zerg ship, 1 large zerg infested station, and 1-3 player ships on the map... that way I can make them all a bit more complex than by having multiple small ones, and can still have all that variation in the terrain themes, mercenary players have less of a chance to get overwhelmed by options of where to go, and when they decide to go on a hostile ship, they can work on it as co-op rather ...`
`13:16.49`	`A1win`	`... than all of them soloing in different places xO`
`13:17.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds fun, haha.`
`13:17.28`	`Ahli`	`awesome idea: I fake the shop with the actor visibility thing`
`13:17.31`	`A1win`	`been wondering if I should make the zerg infested station just a random encounter where you get to go only during one encounter, or if it's something like a battlecruiser that also jumps with your fleet`
`13:17.56`	`Ahli`	`so, actually, you will select your own transparent shop that only you can click on instead of the other shops...`
`13:17.59`	`A1win`	`so that you can always go there`
`13:18.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Ahli, yes, that's what I said above. =D`
`13:18.16`	`A1win`	`then the mercenaries would always have somewhere else to be than just on the player ships, if the zerg ship is not present`
`13:18.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Or did I forget to mention the actor bit? Haha`
`13:18.38`	`Ahli`	`yes, but now I know that I don't need to workaround with selection detection`
`13:18.58`	`Ahli`	`because I can just hide those things and make it select always yours while you see the neutral one's with animation`
`13:19.05`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, I figured you'd have a prototype by now. =D`
`13:19.30`	`Ahli`	`so, in teh end it will look like I always wanted it to look like`
`13:20.24`	`Ahli`	`gax3's actor visibility thing is the best thing ever :D`
`13:20.27`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, yea I have been doing other things :P`
`13:20.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
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`13:59.45`	`Zolden`	`twodie: do u plan to create a leaderbord with elos?`
`13:59.55`	`Zolden`	`and make fair teams based on elo?`
`14:05.18`	`twodie`	`Zolden what leaderboard? where that leaderboard you expect to be fited?`
`14:05.53`	`Zolden`	`i just want a table where all player's elos are visible`
`14:06.27`	`Zolden`	`as well as number of games played/won`
`14:06.48`	`twodie`	`thinking show underneath the Elo below the player nick by the game mode choosed and players.`
`14:06.53`	`twodie`	`if custom then it will not sute`
`14:06.55`	`twodie`	`show`
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`14:11.52`	`Ahli`	`what's inviisble, opacity 1 or 0?`
`14:11.57`	`Dustin\|Work`	`0`
`14:11.57`	`JademusSreg`	`0`
`14:12.01`	`Dustin\|Work`	`morning guys`
`14:12.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Hallo.`
`14:12.11`	`Ahli`	`I can't memorize that o0`
`14:12.20`	`Zolden`	`Ahli: same`
`14:12.20`	`Dustin\|Work`	`0 = invis`
`14:12.22`	`JademusSreg`	`It's easy.`
`14:12.22`	`Dustin\|Work`	`1 = show`
`14:12.28`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Boom , remembered :P`
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`14:12.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Opacity is opaqueness. Transparency is transparent. Opposites, you see.`
`14:14.35`	`A1win`	`only need to know the meanings of the words and the rest is logical ;p`
`14:17.26`	`Dragon2K`	`ta-dah`
`14:17.27`	`Dragon2K`	`http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5460/hordeandalliancefootmen.png`
`14:17.42`	`Zolden`	`and what fixed it?`
`14:17.58`	`Dragon2K`	`the uvw map?`
`14:18.17`	`Dragon2K`	`I didn't cut it into pieces this time`
`14:18.29`	`Ahli`	`footmen for horde? isn't horde orc?`
`14:18.40`	`Dragon2K`	`yeah but I haven't converted any orcs yet :P`
`14:18.50`	`Zolden`	`how about to add specularity? they look dull without`
`14:18.52`	`Dragon2K`	`it's basically just to show off the colour/decal thing`
`14:19.03`	`Ahli`	`but it's cool :D`
`14:20.10`	`Dragon2K`	`how do you change the lighting in SC2?`
`14:20.26`	`Dragon2K`	`I think it should just be a lot brighter generally`
`14:20.51`	`Zolden`	`just set "specularity" of the material to, say,.20`
`14:21.08`	`Zolden`	`and add a specular map -> white32.dds`
`14:21.20`	`Zolden`	`and it will glare nicely`
`14:21.33`	`Dragon2K`	`I'll see how it looks`
`14:21.58`	`Zolden`	`these models use smooth, so, should be realisitc`
`14:22.39`	`Zolden`	`another step further - to use normal map mesh-related specualr map, then it jsut rape eyes`
`14:23.03`	`Zolden`	`*normal map AND mesh related specualr map`
`14:24.06`	`Zolden`	`and material specularity -> 20, (not .20)`
`14:24.23`	`Dragon2K`	`Lol, check this out http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/attachments/models-530/89407d1284304549-guard_armor_stormwind-game.jpg`
`14:24.25`	`Ahli`	`I can define references in triggers to make one unit actor send a message to another unit actor, right?`
`14:24.28`	`Dragon2K`	`for war3 xD`
`14:24.56`	`Dragon2K`	`yeah Zolden; the thing is, I want them to look like they do in WoW`
`14:24.58`	`Ahli`	`I would send the message via target in the actor events`
`14:25.07`	`Dragon2K`	`which doesn't use any of those tricks`
`14:25.23`	`Dragon2K`	`but also uses a different lighting engine`
`14:25.25`	`Dragon2K`	`than SC2`
`14:25.40`	`Zolden`	`Dragon2K: wow shaders are primitive, sc2 allow you to make models look much more realiastic`
`14:26.05`	`Dragon2K`	`and if realistic is what you're going for, you should definitely use those shaders! :)`
`14:26.08`	`Zolden`	`you can jsut try and compre`
`14:28.11`	`Dragon2K`	`well as it is now these things are the engine is casting shadows on them, which makes them look horrid without a spec map, soo.. :P`
`14:28.14`	`Zolden`	`realistic means more comfortable for eyes to percieve, those reflections help the brain to decode visual information`
`14:28.53`	`Dragon2K`	`they already have shadows drawn into their textures though`
`14:28.53`	`Zolden`	`yeah, shadows is one thing, u like it right?`
`14:29.42`	`Zolden`	`they look ok when aoomed in, but if you plan to use them as units, they would win alot from the glaring spots of reflected light`
`14:30.48`	`Zolden`	`but if you're conservaative about it and don't want to experiment - ok, no onw will kill you for it`
`14:30.57`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Well`
`14:31.00`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Zolden SAYS that`
`14:31.04`	`Dustin\|Work`	`But he might kill you`
`14:32.16`	`Zolden`	`the fact thea i killed a few ppl for their refuse to use specular map, it doesn't mean i will kill everyone who refuses it`
`14:32.39`	`Dragon2K`	`sounds reassuring :D`
`14:37.39`	`Zolden`	`Dragon2K: could you give me this model?`
`14:37.43`	`Zolden`	`and textures`
`14:42.02`	`Zolden`	`or you twodie gimme your swordsman's model, i'm in a mood to experiment with normals`
`14:42.23`	`twodie`	`it have 10 faces`
`14:42.52`	`Zolden`	`what did you just say?`
`14:43.00`	`Zolden`	`10 different textures?`
`14:43.20`	`Zolden`	`or 10 mesh faces?`
`14:43.54`	`twodie`	`mesh faces. too low poly to play with`
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`14:44.07`	`twodie`	`plus some shity unwraps`
`14:44.10`	`Bommes`	`hmm, is there a way to apply animation groups in between attacks?`
`14:44.30`	`Bommes`	`as in I have a second stand animation that should play when a unit is standing next to someone in between the attacks when the attack animation is not playing`
`14:44.42`	`Bommes`	`I'm stumbling a little bit right now how I would do that`
`14:45.19`	`Bommes`	`think of WoW, when you attack someone you go into a different stand animation. I need something similar.`
`14:45.26`	`Zolden`	`Bommes: it's possible with blender`
`14:45.41`	`Bommes`	`no I mean in the editor`
`14:45.46`	`Bommes`	`not on the model`
`14:45.53`	`Bommes`	`the model has it, but I don't know how to apply it for the actor`
`14:46.12`	`Zolden`	`yes, you can do it`
`14:46.44`	`Zolden`	`for example, useing weapon causes attack animation to play`
`14:46.44`	`Bommes`	`any easy way to do it?`
`14:46.51`	`Bommes`	`there are only overly complicated ways that i can think of`
`14:46.58`	`Zolden`	`you can add an event to set timer at weapon use`
`14:47.05`	`Bommes`	`hmm yeah`
`14:47.11`	`Zolden`	`and on timer expired play your second stand animation`
`14:47.12`	`Bommes`	`setting status would be even better`
`14:47.22`	`Bommes`	`but meh`
`14:47.27`	`Bommes`	`I had hoped there is a built in way`
`14:47.27`	`Bommes`	`:/`
`14:47.36`	`Zolden`	`this is a built in way`
`14:47.42`	`Zolden`	`i think`
`14:48.02`	`Zolden`	`oh, a simplier way is "attack ends" event or something`
`14:48.23`	`Zolden`	`or "attack anim completed" or something`
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`15:08.02`	`Kubi_`	`~seen Blizz-Deletarius`
`15:08.06`	`purl`	`blizz-deletarius <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 1d 23h 38m 35s ago, saying: '98-99'.`
`15:08.10`	`Kubi_`	`That' fucking skank.`
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`15:36.11`	`G0A`	`dam I hate my nexus wars map but I most continue my evil plan`
`15:36.18`	`Zolden`	`:))`
`15:37.04`	`Zolden`	`cmon, G0A, ppl won't forget your heroic exploit`
`15:38.35`	`G0A`	`might use my to test what texts can make blizzard to remove a popular map:D`
`15:38.41`	`G0A`	`my map*`
`15:39.27`	`G0A`	`I must flame the shity bnet with a popular map:D`
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`15:44.47`	`Vailreth`	`hello folks`
`15:44.52`	`Dustin\|Work`	`hi`
`15:45.54`	`G0A`	`yeah map now is 4th in top played!!`
`15:48.35`	`G0A`	`(there is a trick in that statement)`
`15:53.36`	`Kubi_`	`G0A, Just look at rodrigos Nexus Word Wars map`
`15:54.18`	`G0A`	`?`
`15:54.21`	`G0A`	`whats with it`
`15:54.33`	`Kubi_`	`It got removed Multiple times from battle.net from Blizzard because of the words that were in it`
`15:54.47`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Ya like Prostitute`
`15:54.51`	`Kubi_`	`And dyke`
`15:54.54`	`Kubi_`	`Nazi`
`15:54.59`	`Kubi_`	`Dustin'sMomisaWhore`
`15:55.10`	`Kubi_`	`Such such terrible words`
`15:55.16`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Blizzard goes from supporting naked bloody women impailed on spikes to banning maps because they had the work Dyke in it`
`15:55.23`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Makes ya think`
`15:55.28`	`Kubi_`	`supporting naked bloody women impailed on spikes`
`15:55.28`	`Kubi_`	`?`
`15:55.38`	`Kubi_`	`Diablo 2 Reference?`
`15:57.52`	`Kubi_`	`So who is planning on about going to BlizzCon 2013`
`15:58.36`	`G0A`	`Kubi_ I wont be putting terrible words in my maps. But it wont praise bnet for sure:)`
`15:59.31`	`Kubi_`	`YOU MEAN IT WILL BE THE MAP OF THE YEAR NOMINATED BY BLIZZARD`
`15:59.33`	`Kubi_`	`actually`
`15:59.35`	`Kubi_`	`what do u mean`
`16:01.20`	`Kubi_`	`I'm good with all aspects of the editor and potentionally make a decent ass map but.. ADHD and laziness prevent me from doing so.`
`16:01.23`	`Kubi_`	`What am I doing with my life.`
`16:01.34`	`Kubi_`	`sobs`
`16:02.59`	`Kubi_`	`You know what would help me finish my map...`
`16:03.02`	`Kubi_`	`105mg of concert`
`16:03.05`	`Kubi_`	`concerta`
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`16:08.43`	`G0A`	`Kubi_ I mean I will criticize arcade once my map reaches its maximum popularity, so it will be the most unbiased criticism...`
`16:09.30`	`duckies`	`though you should wait a bit after it reaches top popularity`
`16:09.43`	`duckies`	`so that people start asking questions when map dissapears :D`
`16:16.18`	`duckies`	`meh, thinking about it it would be a shame if map dissapeared, people are having fun with it :\|. I guess you should use the most subtle means to criticize/insult b-net, btw, really 4th now?`
`16:19.29`	`G0A`	`4th on ocienia:)`
`16:19.47`	`G0A`	`but 11th on EU and NA`
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`16:20.52`	`G0A`	`and who knows maybe maximum popularity will be 1th place.D`
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`16:26.42`	`Dragon2K`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:27.17`	`ckSynergy`	`Morning`
`16:27.58`	`Kubi_`	`ckSynergy`
`16:27.59`	`Kubi_`	`Fuck you`
`16:28.03`	`Kubi_`	`and your archon op hero`
`16:28.16`	`ckSynergy`	`Morning to you too Kubi lol`
`16:28.26`	`Kubi_`	`U HEARD ME`
`16:28.37`	`ckSynergy`	`I know. <3 you too`
`16:31.22`	`Kubi_`	`I was banelnig`
`16:31.25`	`Kubi_`	`I out leveled archon`
`16:31.27`	`Kubi_`	`but late game`
`16:31.30`	`Kubi_`	`he destroys anything`
`16:31.33`	`Kubi_`	`nobody can touch him`
`16:32.48`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Dragon2K, you get assasinated by a blizzard employee.`
`16:32.53`	`Dustin\|Work`	`that's what happens.`
`16:33.31`	`Dragon2K`	`seems only fair`
`16:33.37`	`ckSynergy`	`dude`
`16:33.40`	`ckSynergy`	`you were baneling?`
`16:33.45`	`ckSynergy`	`lol`
`16:33.52`	`ckSynergy`	`and you were trying to take on an archon?`
`16:33.59`	`Kubi_`	`Well.. guess what`
`16:34.04`	`Kubi_`	`Nothing is a counter to archon`
`16:34.05`	`Kubi_`	`just sayin`
`16:34.21`	`Kubi_`	`It would help to remove that fucking 50% ultimate damage reduction for starters`
`16:34.26`	`ckSynergy`	`archon does have some discrepancies that are being worked on, but it is counterable`
`16:34.41`	`ckSynergy`	`its called an ultimate for a reason`
`16:34.52`	`Kubi_`	`50% reduction on a 1200 life pool`
`16:34.54`	`Kubi_`	`jesus christ man`
`16:35.01`	`Kubi_`	`WERE YOU ON SHROOMS?!`
`16:35.01`	`ckSynergy`	`stuns work wonders`
`16:35.19`	`ckSynergy`	`cough stuns`
`16:35.22`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I wish`
`16:35.27`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Gief me some shrooms Kubi`
`16:35.31`	`ckSynergy`	`lol`
`16:35.32`	`Kubi_`	`Any ability base hero is trash`
`16:35.41`	`Kubi_`	`High Templer, trash late game`
`16:35.44`	`Kubi_`	`Baneling trash`
`16:36.23`	`Kubi_`	`To levy that, I would make the Energy items have the +% to spell increase, and increase it and not the weapon`
`16:38.10`	`ckSynergy`	`>.>`
`16:38.33`	`ckSynergy`	`You know, this chat is mostly for sc2 development and not banter on game mode balance lol`
`16:39.20`	`Kubi_`	`smashes his coffee cup.`
`16:39.22`	`Kubi_`	`FIX YO SHIT`
`16:39.30`	`Kubi_`	`We don't want a repeat of Footman Frenzy do we?`
`16:40.07`	`ckSynergy`	`lol`
`16:40.56`	`ckSynergy`	`Balance discuss can be done on the forums. As for "fixing things", all the major bugs have been worked out. TY :)`
`16:44.22`	`Dogmai`	`i hate crunch time`
`16:44.30`	`Dogmai`	`crunch time = no blizzard`
`16:44.40`	`Dogmai`	`no blizzard = no update on problems getting fixed`
`16:44.41`	`ckSynergy`	`shrugs`
`16:44.44`	`Dogmai`	`no problems getting fixed`
`16:44.46`	`ckSynergy`	`problems?`
`16:44.48`	`Dogmai`	`means no tofu`
`16:44.49`	`ckSynergy`	`what problems?`
`16:44.49`	`Dogmai`	`T_T`
`16:44.52`	`Dogmai`	`i cant upload`
`16:44.54`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Ya like being able to right-click attack allys =/!`
`16:44.55`	`Dogmai`	`i cannot upload`
`16:44.55`	`Dustin\|Work`	`BROKED`
`16:44.56`	`ckSynergy`	`ouch`
`16:45.02`	`Dogmai`	`i c a n n o t u p l o a d`
`16:45.07`	`Dogmai`	`regardless on my comp`
`16:45.09`	`Dogmai`	`on my laptop`
`16:45.16`	`Dogmai`	`tethered internet connection`
`16:45.17`	`Dogmai`	`landline`
`16:45.23`	`Dogmai`	`there is something wrong with SEA accounts`
`16:45.31`	`ckSynergy`	`what is SEA?`
`16:45.36`	`Dogmai`	`south east asia`
`16:45.39`	`ckSynergy`	`ah`
`16:45.53`	`ckSynergy`	`They might be merging the servers`
`16:45.57`	`Bommes`	`are you sure that that is the reason?`
`16:46.04`	`Bommes`	`have you asked other sea players or did blizzard confirm it?`
`16:46.18`	`Zolden`	`http://snag.gy/VeZqN.jpg`
`16:46.40`	`Ahli`	`only to hots or wol, too?`
`16:46.47`	`Ahli`	`@dogmai`
`16:46.59`	`Dogmai`	`different errors for different things`
`16:47.04`	`Dogmai`	`i cannot login to hots`
`16:47.18`	`Dogmai`	`i cannot login to wol for different error except if I remove authenticator`
`16:47.27`	`Dogmai`	`when i remove authenticator i get another error that stops publishing`
`16:47.36`	`Dogmai`	`i even downloaded NA client`
`16:47.39`	`Dogmai`	`no dice`
`16:47.46`	`Dogmai`	`its been confirmed`
`16:48.05`	`Dogmai`	`but no updates except that they are discussing it`
`16:48.14`	`Ahli`	`:(`
`16:48.23`	`Dogmai`	`confirmed by both other sea players and blizz *`
`16:49.35`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Ya I still cant publish to HOTS cause I cant login to the editor`
`16:49.40`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Game works fine though`
`16:49.46`	`Dustin\|Work`	`It's BS`
`16:50.47`	`Dogmai`	`depends how i wake up`
`16:50.50`	`Kubi_`	`http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/427232_303708349751260_1430063343_n.jpg`
`16:50.53`	`Kubi_`	`Just pulled that from FB`
`16:50.57`	`Dogmai`	`sometimes im pissed`
`16:51.02`	`Dogmai`	`sometimes im sad`
`16:51.05`	`Dogmai`	`othertimes i dont give a shit`
`16:52.48`	`Dogmai`	`@ Kubi_ win`
`16:54.16`	`G0A`	`Kubi_ absolute win`
`16:57.03`	`Ahli`	`I dont get a simple autocast to work o0`
`16:57.12`	`Kubi_`	`http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t3#/video/us/2013/02/06/pkg-hitchhiker-hero-saves-lives-with-hatchet.kmph`
`16:57.13`	`Kubi_`	`HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH'`
`16:57.17`	`Kubi_`	`THAT GUY IS AWESOME`
`16:58.00`	`Kubi_`	`Smash smash smaaaassshh`
`16:58.28`	`G0A`	`the full vid over 1 million views on youtube`
`16:58.43`	`G0A`	`Smash smash smaaaassshh will most likely become a meme:D`
`16:59.18`	`Kubi_`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk1_DbbzSdY`
`16:59.25`	`Kubi_`	`I listen to this on repeat when I map`
`17:01.00`	`Ahli`	`what does an effect target require to have a working autocast?`
`17:02.36`	`ckSynergy`	`Uhhh depends on the setup`
`17:02.45`	`ckSynergy`	`Whos the target, ally or foe?`
`17:02.53`	`ckSynergy`	`Do you have it set to offensive or defensive?`
`17:03.01`	`Ahli`	`not sure, what does neutral think about players? :D`
`17:03.04`	`ckSynergy`	`whats the range on the ability and the range on the autocast?`
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`17:03.12`	`Ahli`	`both 5 right now`
`17:03.16`	`Triceron`	`pew`
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`17:03.23`	`ckSynergy`	`hey Triceron`
`17:03.25`	`Triceron`	`guys seen the blackstone stuff?`
`17:03.29`	`Triceron`	`hey ck`
`17:03.30`	`Ahli`	`acquire level is important?`
`17:03.44`	`ckSynergy`	`Ahli: Do you have the default autocast validators? (Player/Ally)?`
`17:03.51`	`ckSynergy`	`Ahli: very`
`17:04.04`	`Ahli`	`ohhh ok :D`
`17:04.08`	`Ahli`	`then I shall try passive`
`17:04.20`	`Ahli`	`none means no autocast then?`
`17:04.29`	`ckSynergy`	`Im not entirely sure`
`17:04.36`	`ckSynergy`	`Passive I think refers to neutral units`
`17:04.50`	`ckSynergy`	`Defensive means cast on self when available`
`17:04.57`	`ckSynergy`	`Offensive I think is for enemies`
`17:05.01`	`ckSynergy`	`I use defensive mostly`
`17:06.02`	`ckSynergy`	`Dunno wth Passive and None refer to, but I know they usually kill the autocastability of a auto-cast ability. lol`
`17:06.44`	`Zolden`	`guys, where to set creep texture?`
`17:07.10`	`ckSynergy`	`under textures?`
`17:07.21`	`ckSynergy`	`what do you mean?`
`17:07.36`	`ckSynergy`	`like, paint it? or change the actual texture?`
`17:08.23`	`Zolden`	`change actual texture`
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`17:09.59`	`Zolden`	`twodie: where to change creep texture`
`17:10.40`	`twodie`	`Zolden data editor, terrain types`
`17:12.14`	`Zolden`	`twodie: ty`
`17:15.51`	`twodie`	`Zolden i see you made some nice progress with generation... i guess?`
`17:18.03`	`Zolden`	`twodie: I don't know what I need, so just randomly change parameters. But now i'll try to paint verticla cliffs with cliff texture using creep. Decals are nice alternative, but they are more laggy then creep.`
`17:19.05`	`Zolden`	`what's "creep bend"?`
`17:20.02`	`twodie`	`Zolden better use Units as actors to block passage!`
`17:20.14`	`twodie`	`and looking nice at same time!`
`17:20.45`	`Zolden`	`I will use units if dr super evil won't tell me how to do it other way with triggers`
`17:21.21`	`twodie`	`Units is the WAY`
`17:21.33`	`Zolden`	`yea, laggy way`
`17:21.42`	`twodie`	`if used too much`
`17:21.55`	`A1win`	`I haven't managed to do dynamic pathing in any other way than using units`
`17:21.57`	`twodie`	`you can use one unit for sections`
`17:22.05`	`twodie`	`like 8x1 and so on`
`17:22.20`	`twodie`	`L forms or tothers`
`17:22.22`	`A1win`	`there are triggers that modify pathing, but they don't work`
`17:22.28`	`A1win`	`afaik`
`17:22.45`	`Zolden`	`yes, I will, just waiting what will dr super evil answer, he said something indistinctly encouraging`
`17:23.37`	`Zolden`	`super evil said it will take some efforts, but i'm ok about effortse if it helps to save fps`
`17:24.26`	`twodie`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/player-zone/map-feedback/48455-war-craft-melee-mod/#p1`
`17:26.23`	`Zolden`	`all models miss normals so badly`
`17:26.49`	`Kubi`	`That human castle was just screaming, "kill me, please"`
`17:26.55`	`twodie`	`go to him and say that! and help him do it! ABONDON YOUR PORJECTS!`
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`17:28.07`	`Kubi`	`uh`
`17:28.07`	`Kubi`	`no`
`17:28.12`	`Kubi`	`My time is valuable.`
`17:28.29`	`Kubi`	`Such as sleep, pooping, eating and multiple hours of looking at random youtube videos.`
`17:28.43`	`twodie`	`hmmm, and it doesnt have trees to be gathered :/`
`17:29.15`	`twodie`	`Kubi averange human being life!`
`17:29.32`	`Kubi`	`What I dont get is why people make maps that it's easy to tell that it wont be played by the masses of battle.net`
`17:29.51`	`Kubi`	`I may sound a bit harsh but seems like a waste of energy, time and resources if I know people won't play it for shit.`
`17:29.58`	`twodie`	`well they get idea they make it`
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`17:30.03`	`Ahli`	`creating sh*t is fun`
`17:30.03`	`twodie`	`then abondon it`
`17:30.04`	`twodie`	`gg wp`
`17:30.16`	`Zolden`	`Taintedwisp: do you like Kubi?`
`17:30.45`	`iMisu`	`Loves him`
`17:30.56`	`Taintedwisp`	`what? I dont know kubi... actually I dont know anyone here, and therefore have not formed too strong of opinions on anyones`
`17:31.07`	`iMisu`	`liar`
`17:31.17`	`iMisu`	`Tyga - Make it nasty`
`17:32.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`Zolden walls of text dont count as knowing someone :P`
`17:32.07`	`iMisu`	`~seen nooblark`
`17:32.16`	`purl`	`nooblark is currently on #sc2mapster. Has said a total of 459 messages. Is idling for 13h 5m 22s, last said: 'gnight bitches'.`
`17:32.16`	`Zolden`	`Taintedwisp: why do you spend hours amongst ppl u don't know?`
`17:32.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`If so I personally know stephen king`
`17:32.52`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P i just like the community, usually I am around my computer but not on it, or I am job hunting`
`17:33.02`	`Kubi`	`~seen Kubi`
`17:33.03`	`purl`	`kubi is currently on #sc2mapster (22h 34m 33s). Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen Kubi'.`
`17:33.08`	`Kubi`	`kakakaka`
`17:33.17`	`Kubi`	`~seen my_penis`
`17:33.17`	`purl`	`Kubi: i haven't seen 'my_penis'`
`17:33.20`	`Kubi`	`LOLOLOL`
`17:33.20`	`Kubi`	`afk`
`17:33.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`I like how the community can talk above the average humans intelligence(besides a few)`
`17:33.30`	`Kubi`	`WHOSE THE FEW`
`17:33.31`	`Kubi`	`MOTHA FUCKA`
`17:33.34`	`Kubi`	`CAP YO ASS`
`17:33.53`	`Ahli`	`if the hotkeyed unit is not in your ownership, you canter to the unit you currently have selected o0`
`17:33.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`its a good outlet, for me to not have to feel superior in thought to everyone around me.`
`17:34.08`	`iMisu`	`Kubi is a short midget that eats onion rings for breakfast while spammin imgur with terrible images that everyone has seen since 2007`
`17:34.26`	`Kubi`	`I wonder if it's the women iMisu or the male iMisu`
`17:34.37`	`iMisu`	`LOL what you think`
`17:34.45`	`iMisu`	`Taintedwisp thinks hes fuckin buddha`
`17:34.46`	`twodie`	`thats what she said`
`17:35.32`	`Triceron`	`so guys`
`17:35.34`	`Triceron`	`Blackstone`
`17:35.35`	`Triceron`	`discuss`
`17:35.37`	`Kubi`	`Augh I really don't want to remake my UI`
`17:35.43`	`Kubi`	`It's nothing`
`17:35.45`	`iMisu`	`its swarm expansion`
`17:35.47`	`iMisu`	`for sc2`
`17:35.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`nah imisu, I can just grasp theories, and mathmatical equations that are new to me much easier then others, then theres the fact I was probably the only kid in my highschool who would actually read the books that were being taught to me. :P`
`17:36.08`	`Zolden`	`Triceron: blizz hired jews to create blackstone story`
`17:36.17`	`Kubi`	`Oh god, TaintedWisp with his infinite wisdom.`
`17:36.17`	`iMisu`	`http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blackstone/login`
`17:36.24`	`iMisu`	`Password: Y7_$0>0k_3<$m`
`17:36.33`	`Kubi`	`Wow iMisu`
`17:36.35`	`Kubi`	`Welcome to 2013`
`17:36.36`	`Triceron`	`yah`
`17:36.52`	`iMisu`	`oh shit its january again ?`
`17:36.52`	`Triceron`	`so is it just ARG hype machine?`
`17:37.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol kubi, paying attention to things more then others isnt infinite wisdom, actually I am very low on wisdom :P but I do have a lot of knowledge and can use that knowledge to make an educated guess on manythings.`
`17:38.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`.`
`17:38.06`	`Kubi`	`Help me guys, TaintedWisp has targeted me for his ranting.`
`17:38.13`	`Kubi`	`ninja vanishes`
`17:38.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`not ranting`
`17:38.24`	`Kubi`	`MAKE IT STOP`
`17:38.28`	`Kubi`	`STAHP HUMAN`
`17:38.32`	`Kubi`	`BACk`
`17:38.33`	`Kubi`	`AWAY`
`17:38.44`	`Triceron`	`Run Kubi, RUN!`
`17:39.01`	`Kubi`	`FUCK`
`17:39.06`	`Kubi`	`So`
`17:39.07`	`Kubi`	`turns out`
`17:39.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`uhg... gotta go pick up my lil bro in 5 minutes..`
`17:39.12`	`Kubi`	`Running 3 miles every day`
`17:39.14`	`Kubi`	`fucks my hamstrings`
`17:39.15`	`Kubi`	`:/`
`17:39.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`shit head should just walk home... its only 8 miles,,,,`
`17:39.24`	`Triceron`	`You should try not running`
`17:39.26`	`Triceron`	`that's what I do`
`17:39.34`	`Triceron`	`hamstrings are fine`
`17:40.02`	`Triceron`	`when I'm sitting.`
`17:40.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`Triceron is that guy who sets a chair on the sides of the treadmill and just kicks his feet.`
`17:40.29`	`Triceron`	`psh, like I'd ever use a treadmill`
`17:40.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`17:40.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`yeah thats one thing I cant do... use a stupid fucking treadmill...`
`17:41.02`	`Triceron`	`that's why chairs have wheels, so we don't need to use our legs`
`17:41.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`SOO DAMN BORING`
`17:41.20`	`Triceron`	`ROLLING ROLLING ROLLING`
`17:41.48`	`Kubi`	`I forget, I am the only one who is physically active on sc2mapster`
`17:41.52`	`Kubi`	`my bad guys, carry on`
`17:42.03`	`Triceron`	`I'm physically active`
`17:42.06`	`Triceron`	`my APM is godly`
`17:44.21`	`ckSynergy`	`Sup Tainted`
`17:47.03`	`Kubi`	`you killed him Synergy`
`17:47.05`	`Kubi`	`Thank god.`
`17:47.25`	`Kubi`	`PRAISE BABY JESUS`
`17:49.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`Uwahaha`
`17:50.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`I love gays`
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`17:51.18`	`Triceron`	`~seen Taintedwisp`
`17:51.22`	`purl`	`taintedwisp <1854e5d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.84.229.210> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 1m 5s ago, saying: 'I love gays'.`
`17:54.46`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Triceron (1854e5d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.84.229.210)`
`17:58.06`	`Zolden`	`twodie: how tu turn off creep borders render?`
`17:58.34`	`twodie`	`well remove the textuer`
`17:58.42`	`twodie`	`like specluar or normal there`
`18:03.28`	`Zolden`	`twodie: someone shitted on the cliffs http://snag.gy/2Y2GG.jpg`
`18:03.54`	`twodie`	`cool`
`18:04.13`	`Kubi_`	`i like liquid dubstep`
`18:05.05`	`Triceron`	`Mashed potatoland`
`18:05.45`	`Triceron`	`Shepherd's Piesland`
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`18:06.08`	`Taintedwisp`	`Fucking piece of shit mechanics... THEY CANT FIX 1 GOT DAMN PROBLEM THAT THEY CAUSED!!!`
`18:06.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`I fucking hate mechanics...`
`18:06.37`	`Kubi_`	`lol`
`18:06.41`	`Kubi_`	`That's what were here for`
`18:06.42`	`Taintedwisp`	`1500$ just so the motor wouldnt turn over, oh but I got headlights radio and a new key -_-`
`18:06.51`	`Kubi_`	`You should ask god to answer your problems`
`18:07.08`	`Taintedwisp`	`I wish my dad was still alive... then I wouldnt have had to fucking take it to them in the first place..`
`18:07.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`Kubi you should ask the devil why your going to burn :P`
`18:07.55`	`Kubi_`	`I did`
`18:07.59`	`Kubi_`	`He said because I was a ginger`
`18:08.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`sooo fucking irritated, this is bullshit..`
`18:08.54`	`Triceron`	`Devil must be sad he can't take your soul`
`18:09.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`The engine was running fine when I took it up there, but my mom said "oh we will get the headlights and radio working"....`
`18:10.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`they charge 1170$ to fix 2 fucking things.... and then the next day the motor doesnt turn over, Then its picked up by a tow truck, and they charge another 330$ for a key and wiring harness.. -_-`
`18:11.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`AFTER I FUCKING TOLD THEM IT WAS THE FUCKING BCM!!!!`
`18:11.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`I said it 3 fucking times...`
`18:11.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`I had already had the thing tested....`
`18:11.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`it was fucked up...`
`18:11.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`but they insisted.... and my mom fell for their bullshit`
`18:12.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`she said "They know what they are talking about they are a good mechanic"... there is no such thing as an honest mechanic`
`18:12.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`They cant fix their own assholes from leaking`
`18:13.38`	`Triceron`	`Maybe you shouldn't take your car to a bunch of guys with leaking anuses`
`18:13.46`	`motive`	`o_o`
`18:13.48`	`motive`	`So angry.`
`18:13.59`	`Triceron`	`that'd be my first sign`
`18:14.44`	`motive`	`...and this is why I lease.`
`18:15.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`your got damn right I am angry.... its fucking stupid...`
`18:15.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`They scam people, and they dont know what the fuck they are doing`
`18:15.30`	`motive`	`You've paid 1500$ in two days for car problems, that's like almost 5 months of my lease payments`
`18:15.42`	`motive`	`if you're going to have to pay (and you will) might as well pay for something nice`
`18:16.08`	`Taintedwisp`	`over the course of a month motive`
`18:16.41`	`motive`	`Yeah, same thing.`
`18:16.54`	`motive`	`In a month my expenses are predictable, and if anything breaks it's on them.`
`18:16.58`	`motive`	`Anything major anyways`
`18:17.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`and on top of everything else... My little brother thinks I am coming to pick him up today...`
`18:17.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`And I have absolutely no phone to tell him otherwise`
`18:17.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`Because some retard removed the phone base from the living room and I cannot find it`
`18:17.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`so the phone is dead, the base is unplugged..`
`18:18.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`and hes sitting there waiting on me to come and pick him up`
`18:18.24`	`motive`	`Send him a text?`
`18:18.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`I have no cell phone I dont use them.`
`18:18.45`	`motive`	`Send an email to his phone, it'll get received as a text`
`18:18.46`	`Zolden`	`twodie: so, any updates happened to aok since morning?`
`18:18.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`Every time I have ever had one they have caused me more problems then they are worth`
`18:19.06`	`motive`	`ie. 123456789@vtext.com = verizon`
`18:19.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`I dont know his phone number motive its stored on the dead living room phone :P`
`18:19.17`	`motive`	`How can a cell phone cause problems? oO`
`18:19.23`	`motive`	`oh well then you're fucked`
`18:19.28`	`Triceron`	`because Technology is the devil`
`18:24.26`	`motive`	`He really makes his own problems.`
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`18:27.45`	`Kubi_`	`augh`
`18:30.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`sooo many frustrations`
`18:39.30`	`twodie`	`Zolden none`
`18:39.50`	`motive`	`mv frustrations /dev/null`
`18:42.05`	`Zolden`	`twodie: check the slopes http://snag.gy/Wq4Ff.jpg`
`18:42.40`	`Kubi_`	`Are you going to go sledding on them?`
`18:43.03`	`Zolden`	`it's not a winter to do sledding`
`18:43.28`	`motive`	`It's snowing here tomorrow :D`
`18:43.34`	`motive`	`Big snowstorm :)`
`18:43.41`	`Triceron`	`where at?`
`18:43.52`	`motive`	`NJ, but the whole northeast is getting it haha`
`18:43.54`	`Zolden`	`motive big snow storm has its own name - blizzard`
`18:44.00`	`motive`	`haha`
`18:44.08`	`Zolden`	`twodie: did you recieve my report about doubled elo change for 2v2?`
`18:44.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`all I have is a hot muggy winter...`
`18:44.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`fucking 70 F every day -_-`
`18:44.25`	`twodie`	`Zolden yeah`
`18:44.31`	`Zolden`	`alrihgt`
`18:45.18`	`Zolden`	`in moscow you can jump from 5th floor and be ok, too much snow to get hurt`
`18:46.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`18:46.54`	`Taintedwisp`	`why dont you do it then zolden?`
`18:46.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`18:48.17`	`motive`	`I've crashed my car into a pile of snow before`
`18:48.23`	`motive`	`it's fun`
`18:48.44`	`Triceron`	`another storm in the northeast eh`
`18:48.55`	`Triceron`	`it's clear as day here in the west. Feels like Spring`
`18:49.01`	`Zolden`	`Taintedwisp: because there is another source of danger - to die in sonw being unable to gid the way out`
`18:49.01`	`Vailreth`	`poof`
`18:49.13`	`motive`	`Triceron: fuck spring, snow is awesome`
`18:49.25`	`Vailreth`	`gidding out of snow is very difficult`
`18:49.50`	`Zolden`	`last year we had snow up to first days of april, then boom -> summer`
`18:50.04`	`Triceron`	`it's still cold here though`
`18:50.07`	`Vailreth`	`i had my airconditioner on yesterday`
`18:50.09`	`Triceron`	`but the sun's coming out`
`18:50.33`	`Vailreth`	`or may have been tuesdady`
`18:50.38`	`Vailreth`	`but it was on`
`18:50.49`	`Triceron`	`I keep picturing Russia as perpetually snowy`
`18:51.03`	`Triceron`	`like, all of it. Right up to the borders.`
`18:51.19`	`Zolden`	`Triceron: 4-5 months a year usually`
`18:51.21`	`Kubi_`	`HERE I GO AGAIN ON MY OWN`
`18:51.38`	`Zolden`	`and you right right to the borders`
`18:51.38`	`Vailreth`	`walking down the only road ive ever known`
`18:51.45`	`G0A`	`yes nss now 10th on NA:)`
`18:52.08`	`G0A`	`I am more and more closer to world domination:D`
`18:52.08`	`Triceron`	`man, had a coffee this morning, now I'm still hyper. I think I have to go for a walk`
`18:52.29`	`Zolden`	`G0A: cmon push the motherfuckers!`
`18:52.32`	`Triceron`	`your map GOA?`
`18:52.37`	`Triceron`	`grats!`
`18:53.50`	`Vailreth`	`since i didnt get my custom campaign done before hots.... i am going redo it in hots with the new features`
`18:53.56`	`Zolden`	`it makes me think of publishing homm on na... it was 10th on eu, should be even higher on na`
`18:54.15`	`Kubi_`	`homm?`
`18:54.26`	`Vailreth`	`a fresh start may be exactly what the overcrowded mod needs`
`18:55.10`	`Zolden`	`Kubi_: heroes of might and magic`
`18:55.20`	`Kubi_`	`LOLGAY`
`18:55.32`	`Kubi_`	`Redoing my Gunship UI something easier, and more slicker`
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`18:58.24`	`Vailreth`	`i wish there was a way to have two instances of the editor up at the same time`
`18:59.26`	`Ahli`	`then they use 2 cores at 100% all the time`
`18:59.38`	`Triceron`	`or even multiple panes`
`19:00.08`	`Vailreth`	`i would just like an easy way to trasfer content from one mod to another`
`19:02.05`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`sandboxie`
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`19:03.18`	`G0A`	`Zolden you must fix homm bugs:)`
`19:03.24`	`Vailreth`	`sandboxie?`
`19:03.26`	`G0A`	`can you open it anyway?`
`19:03.54`	`Zolden`	`G0A: yeah, it's what i'm going to do before publishing`
`19:04.02`	`Zolden`	`G0A: yes, with hots editor`
`19:04.09`	`twodie`	`Zolden well i dont really know why its doubled taht elo, maybe you got and 2 wins of rated games?`
`19:04.12`	`G0A`	`:)`
`19:04.37`	`Zolden`	`twodie: try yourself, i'm absolutely positive, it was doubled`
`19:04.45`	`Zolden`	`tried 3 2v2's`
`19:04.47`	`Zolden`	`or 4`
`19:06.31`	`twodie`	`well then i thought that you may have those 3 or 4 games multiplied by 2..`
`19:06.32`	`twodie`	`too`
`19:06.45`	`Bommes`	`out of curiosity`
`19:06.56`	`Bommes`	`is there a trigger to enable a player to use command a unit from another player?`
`19:07.02`	`Zolden`	`every time i recieved 15, and my enemies lost 15`
`19:07.06`	`Bommes`	`-use`
`19:07.41`	`Bommes`	`as in the player can control the unit, but the alliance between his own units and the unit he controls are kept the way they were before, if they are hostile they are still hostile even if he controls t he unit`
`19:08.50`	`Ahli`	`alliance aspect`
`19:09.12`	`Ahli`	`every unit tester map does that :D`
`19:10.32`	`Bommes`	`thx`
`19:12.26`	`twodie`	`Zolden well i see that reseting variables in the loop isnt really great idea i thing.`
`19:12.58`	`Kubi_`	`I love records`
`19:13.00`	`Kubi_`	`Bahahahahahaha`
`19:13.08`	`Kubi_`	`Someone give me some spells..`
`19:13.11`	`Kubi_`	`I don't want to make any`
`19:13.19`	`Zolden`	`twodie: hmm? what do you mean?`
`19:13.42`	`twodie`	`well starting players loop, and reseting variables every time?`
`19:14.22`	`Kubi_`	`I'll reset your variable`
`19:14.27`	`twodie`	`Zolden or what is this? http://pastebin.com/YUAGf7gK`
`19:19.25`	`twodie`	`.`
`19:21.09`	`iMisu`	`how do I add items to a panel dialog`
`19:21.17`	`iMisu`	`excuseme`
`19:21.20`	`iMisu`	`combo box`
`19:21.24`	`ckSynergy`	`Kubi: lol?`
`19:21.28`	`iMisu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:21.28`	`iMisu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:21.28`	`iMisu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:21.28`	`iMisu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:21.31`	`Kubi_`	`What did you say.`
`19:21.37`	`Kubi_`	`WHAT IS SHE DOING`
`19:21.58`	`ckSynergy`	`I think dialog list item`
`19:22.35`	`ckSynergy`	`listbox maybe?`
`19:23.26`	`twodie`	`yeah list items stuff`
`19:23.34`	`iMisu`	`i only see select list item`
`19:23.59`	`iMisu`	`select / remove only`
`19:24.04`	`twodie`	`add list item`
`19:24.08`	`twodie`	`use search`
`19:24.10`	`iMisu`	`o i see`
`19:24.11`	`iMisu`	`thx`
`19:26.04`	`Zolden`	`twodie: what's wrong with this part?`
`19:26.11`	`ckSynergy`	`man there has GOT to be a way to relate a magazine to the origin`
`19:26.34`	`twodie`	`well its in starting of a loop that collects data of elos`
`19:26.37`	`Zolden`	`twodie: it should be reseted for each player`
`19:26.43`	`twodie`	`so its resets previous gathered info?`
`19:27.08`	`Kubi_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:27.13`	`Zolden`	`i don't remember, lemme have a look into it`
`19:27.17`	`Kubi_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:27.21`	`Kubi_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:27.33`	`Zolden`	`kubi and imisu, use pastebin.com`
`19:27.39`	`Kubi_`	`use`
`19:27.40`	`Kubi_`	`Your`
`19:27.41`	`Kubi_`	`fucking`
`19:27.41`	`Kubi_`	`face`
`19:27.47`	`Dustin\|Work`	`pastee.org`
`19:27.53`	`iMisu`	`he dont have one of those, hes a virgin`
`19:28.04`	`Kubi_`	`http://pastebin.com/bwQP25f7`
`19:28.11`	`Kubi_`	`I'm a virgin?`
`19:28.11`	`Kubi_`	`lol`
`19:28.15`	`Kubi_`	`hahaha`
`19:28.28`	`iMisu`	`no zolden`
`19:28.31`	`Kubi_`	`oh`
`19:28.32`	`Kubi_`	`lol`
`19:28.34`	`iMisu`	`his "fucking face"`
`19:28.37`	`Kubi_`	`I was going to say`
`19:28.47`	`iMisu`	`Getting mad >.>`
`19:29.20`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Otixa_ (Otixa@cpc10-staf7-2-0-cust163.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`19:29.27`	`twodie`	`TIXA!`
`19:29.43`	`Otixa_`	`>;/`
`19:30.12`	`Kubi_`	`http://pastebin.com/bwQP25f7http://pastebin.com/bwQP25f7http://pastebin.com/bwQP25f7http://pastebin.com/bwQP25f7http://pastebin.com/bwQP25f7http://pastebin.com/bwQP25f7http://pastebin.com/bwQP25f7http://pastebin.com/bwQP25f7http://pastebin.com/bwQP25f7http://pastebin.com/bwQP25f7http://pastebin.com/bwQP25f7http://pastebin.com/bwQP25f7`
`19:31.10`	`twodie`	`PASTE SOME PRON GOD DAMN IT!!!!!!`
`19:32.02`	`iMisu`	`LOL omg`
`19:32.30`	`iMisu`	`Omg this google link`
`19:32.30`	`iMisu`	`http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2005-26%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26c2coff%3D1%26rls%3DGGLG%252CGGLG%253A2005-26%252CGGLG%253Aen%26q%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252Fsearch%253Fhl%253Den%2526lr%253D%2526c2coff%253D1%2526rls%253DGGLG%25252CGGLG%25253A2005-26%25252CGGLG%25253Aen%2526q%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.google.com%25252Fsearch%2`
`19:32.30`	`iMisu`	`26ie%25253DUTF-8%252526rls%25253DGGLG%25252CGGLG%25253A2005-26%25252CGGLG%25253Aen%252526q%25253Dhttp%2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww%2525252Egoogle%2525252Ecom%2525252Fsearch%2525253Fsourceid%2525253Dnavclient%25252526ie%2525253DUTF%2525252D8%25252526rls%2525253DGGLG%2525252CGGLG%2525253A2005%2525252D26%2525252CGGLG%2525253Aen%25252526q%2525253Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fuk2%252525252Emultimap%252525252Ecom%252525`
`19:32.31`	`iMisu`	`Ecgi%252525253Fclient%252525253Dpublic%2525252526GridE%252525253D%252525252D0%252525252E12640%2525252526`
`19:32.31`	`iMisu`	`GridN%252525253D51%252525252E50860%2525252526lon%252525253D%252525252D0%252525252E12640%2525252526lat%252525253D51%252525252E50860%2525252526search%252525255Fresult%252525253DLondon%25252525252CGreater%252525252520London%2525252526db%252525253Dfreegaz%2525252526cidr%252525255Fclient%252525253Dnone%2525252526lang%252525253D%2525252526place%252525253DLondon%252525252CGreater%252525252BLondon%2525252526pc%252525253D%252525252`
`19:32.31`	`iMisu`	`ent%252525253Dpublic%2525252526addr2%252525253D%2525252526quicksearch%252525253DLondon%2525252526addr3%252525253D%2525252526scale%252525253D100000%2525252526addr1%252525253D%2526btnG%253DSearch%26btnG%3DSearch&btnG=Search`
`19:32.31`	`Kubi_`	`ok`
`19:32.34`	`Kubi_`	`Oh`
`19:32.35`	`Kubi_`	`my`
`19:32.35`	`Kubi_`	`god`
`19:32.59`	`iMisu`	`ohhhahahaha`
`19:33.32`	`Dustin\|Work`	`.....`
`19:33.34`	`twodie`	`GOD`
`19:33.39`	`twodie`	`THESE SPAMERS`
`19:33.39`	`iMisu`	`mind=blown`
`19:33.52`	`twodie`	`WHERE THOSE BANNING PEOPLE STUFF THINGS!`
`19:34.05`	`Kubi_`	`Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Ut vel tortor sapien. Donec ut neque quam, in iaculis dolor. Vestibulum ultricies tortor sit amet nulla tempor vulputate. Integer magna ipsum, accumsan vitae ornare non, sodales vitae enim. Praesent eget nunc lacus. Suspendisse vel dui dui, non ultrices neque. Cras interdum nunc a arcu accumsan blandit sed vitae sapien. Donec pharetra tincidunt vulputate. Phasellus massa erat,`
`19:34.39`	`Zolden`	`twodie: you seem to be right`
`19:35.29`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`keke`
`19:35.35`	`twodie`	`TROLLOLLOLOLO`
`19:35.44`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`Just wait, people will fall for it.`
`19:35.54`	`Zolden`	`twodie: remove that shit, variables get initialized with zeroes`
`19:36.22`	`iMisu`	`No one will ever fall for that`
`19:36.32`	`iMisu`	`i talk special`
`19:36.36`	`iMisu`	`everyone know who i am lol`
`19:36.39`	`uMisu`	`u talk special`
`19:36.44`	`uMisu`	`everyone knows who u are lol`
`19:36.50`	`iMisu`	`lol`
`19:37.15`	`iMisu`	`how to change color text in combo box`
`19:37.18`	`iMisu`	`make red ?`
`19:37.25`	`uMisu`	`make blue ?`
`19:37.33`	`uMisu`	`The time is 1337`
`19:37.35`	`uMisu`	`That is all`
`19:37.36`	`iMisu`	`i want blue`
`19:37.39`	`uMisu`	`u want blue`
`19:37.41`	`iMisu`	`and red`
`19:37.45`	`uMisu`	`u red`
`19:37.55`	`iMisu`	`are u 5?`
`19:38.00`	`uMisu`	`are i 5`
`19:38.02`	`Triceron`	`that is so confusing.`
`19:38.05`	`iMisu`	`thought so >.>`
`19:38.09`	`uMisu`	`<.<`
`19:38.19`	`uMisu`	`I spent`
`19:38.25`	`uMisu`	`an hour and half`
`19:38.36`	`uMisu`	`making a simple dialog, i fucking hate dialiogs.`
`19:39.00`	`duckies`	`dialogs are amazing`
`19:39.15`	`duckies`	`they're so cool, they allow you to click and drag and stuff!`
`19:39.17`	`iMisu`	`I can make amazing dialog`
`19:39.21`	`duckies`	`you shouldn't hate them`
`19:39.32`	`duckies`	`love them and they'll love you back`
`19:39.58`	`uMisu`	`I can make dialog`
`19:42.01`	`*** part/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.82.176.89.pool.invitel.hu)`
`19:42.01`	`ckSynergy`	`Dialogs arent too bad`
`19:42.07`	`ckSynergy`	`when you have a system built for it`
`19:42.18`	`Kubibibiibibiibi`	`I do`
`19:43.43`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Daara (62a8da84@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.168.218.132)`
`19:43.58`	`twodie`	`So do I!`
`19:44.06`	`twodie`	`asdq23`
`19:44.26`	`twodie`	`so zolden if there is any other problem its only there!!! I HOPE!`
`19:44.46`	`threedie`	`sup`
`19:44.54`	`threedie`	`~seen Blizz-Deletarius`
`19:45.03`	`purl`	`blizz-deletarius <4a247954@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.36.121.84> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 9m 19s ago, saying: 'Just wait, people will fall for it.'.`
`19:45.59`	`iMisu`	`http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/1814/lyoteride.jpg`
`19:46.03`	`iMisu`	`Why is this`
`19:46.08`	`iMisu`	`messed up like that`
`19:46.21`	`Zolden`	`twodie: it was definitely the problem, but no one could guarantee that there is no other problems`
`19:47.08`	`twodie`	`iMisu you presed eneter`
`19:47.08`	`iMisu`	`Can anyone tell me while the words from the dialog are half cut off?>`
`19:47.17`	`twodie`	`only one straight line is possible there`
`19:47.43`	`iMisu`	`there is no </n>`
`19:47.53`	`duckies`	`yeah, it tries to display 2 lines in space meant only for one would be my guess as well`
`19:48.26`	`twodie`	`iMisu check again`
`19:48.42`	`duckies`	`change text to "abc" amd try again`
`19:49.22`	`iMisu`	`i restart the editor and it stopped`
`19:49.28`	`iMisu`	`>.>`
`19:49.32`	`KubiE`	`http://imgur.com/VbQknWe`
`19:49.34`	`KubiE`	`I made that`
`19:49.40`	`KubiE`	`http://i.imgur.com/VbQknWe.jpg`
`19:49.40`	`KubiE`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:49.41`	`KubiE`	`http://i.imgur.com/VbQknWe.jpg`
`19:49.57`	`KubiE`	`because iMisu bailed on the my terrain project`
`19:50.08`	`iMisu`	`cause u be mean to me`
`19:50.31`	`KubiE`	`How was I mean`
`19:50.32`	`KubiE`	`?!`
`19:51.09`	`iMisu`	`act like u not no know`
`19:51.24`	`KubiE`	`???????`
`19:52.04`	`Zolden`	`KubiE: it doesn't get any jokes, so jokes mean to be mean to it`
`19:52.42`	`KubiE`	`IT PUTS THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIn`
`19:52.56`	`KubiE`	`GOOD BYE HORSES`
`19:53.44`	`KubiE`	`Shit`
`19:53.51`	`KubiE`	`I forgot to put a enable/disable in my dialog ui`
`19:53.55`	`KubiE`	`AUGHHH`
`19:53.55`	`KubiE`	`later`
`19:53.56`	`KubiE`	`-.-`
`19:54.06`	`KubiE`	`Because all weaponry will not be available`
`19:55.23`	`Daara`	`hiMisu`
`19:55.38`	`Daara`	`does teamviewer let you alter stuff on peoples computers?`
`19:55.44`	`*** join/#sc2mapster TheSkunk__ (~TheSkunk_@74.39.162.240)`
`19:55.48`	`Daara`	`like could i set their desktop to something scary?`
`19:55.53`	`*** part/#sc2mapster TheSkunk__ (~TheSkunk_@74.39.162.240)`
`19:58.16`	`KubiE`	`would tyou fuck me`
`19:58.26`	`KubiE`	`I'd fuck me`
`19:58.31`	`KubiE`	`I'd fuck me real hard`
`19:58.38`	`Daara`	`stock is up $0.70 today :D`
`19:58.45`	`Daara`	`$$$$$`
`19:59.06`	`KubiE`	`Did you cap your ira?`
`19:59.10`	`KubiE`	`account?`
`19:59.40`	`KubiE`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTs_TZFjbJ8&NR=1&feature=fvwp`
`20:02.50`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (Bibendus@ip-80-249-36-63.static.adsl.cheapnet.it)`
`20:03.36`	`iMisu`	`Can I make combo box with scroll bar ?`
`20:04.18`	`*** join/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.82.176.89.pool.invitel.hu)`
`20:04.38`	`iMisu`	`i put too many item in combo box, it go off screen :(`
`20:13.18`	`Daara`	`some people are making progress on wc3 mods`
`20:13.26`	`Daara`	`but they are still way behind me ^^`
`20:17.03`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Psha Daara`
`20:17.19`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I made a complete remake of WC3, I just dont want to play it with anyone.`
`20:17.59`	`twodie`	`Dustin\|Work great job done well!`
`20:19.05`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Blub\w (~wry@93.83.4.189)`
`20:21.15`	`iMisu`	`Where is tooltip colors list at`
`20:21.18`	`iMisu`	`<c val="#ColorAttackInfo"> is yellow`
`20:21.19`	`iMisu`	`Whats red?`
`20:21.22`	`Daara`	`mhm :P`
`20:21.42`	`Dustin\|Work`	`#red`
`20:21.49`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I dont know :P`
`20:22.05`	`iMisu`	`http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/1814/lyoteride.jpg`
`20:22.16`	`iMisu`	`super light yellow looks bad`
`20:22.40`	`*** join/#sc2mapster RipperRoo (~RipperRoo@pC19F7F76.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`20:22.51`	`iMisu`	`anyone know of a tooltip that has red in it ?`
`20:25.30`	`iMisu`	`#red, win`
`20:25.34`	`iMisu`	`nice guess dustin`
`20:25.36`	`Dustin\|Work`	`:D`
`20:25.58`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Tolkfan (~Thunderbi@host-89-230-244-33.nowydwor.mm.pl)`
`20:28.42`	`iMisu`	`http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1814/lyoteride.jpg`
`20:28.44`	`iMisu`	`fap fap fap`
`20:30.15`	`Dustin\|Work`	`nice!`
`20:30.30`	`Dustin\|Work`	`should do corisponding colors`
`20:30.42`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Terran=Blue, Zerg Red, Toss Yellow`
`20:30.55`	`iMisu`	`Just doing the basics right now,`
`20:31.01`	`iMisu`	`Later comes the touche*`
`20:33.50`	`Triceron`	`I'm workin on a design for a custom hero UI`
`20:34.04`	`Triceron`	`I want some thoughts`
`20:34.07`	`Triceron`	`http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/UI_3_zps502f9f43.jpg`
`20:34.15`	`Triceron`	`mainly if it's easy enough to read, figure out`
`20:34.55`	`Daara`	`that's really cool triceron`
`20:35.00`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Ya`
`20:35.01`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I like it`
`20:35.06`	`Daara`	`could i use that when you're done with it ^^^`
`20:35.10`	`Triceron`	`can you figure out what the bars mean?`
`20:35.24`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Orange = stam, Purp = exp`
`20:35.26`	`Daara`	`i see experience`
`20:35.35`	`Daara`	`and stamina`
`20:35.37`	`iMisu`	`if 1 is primary, 2 is secondary whats 3 ?`
`20:35.39`	`Daara`	`JUST WHAT I NEED`
`20:35.49`	`Daara`	`i would use that as an inventory though`
`20:36.22`	`Triceron`	`inventory would probably hidden as a part of character pane`
`20:36.39`	`Daara`	`the way mine was set up`
`20:36.42`	`Daara`	`i did it through triggers`
`20:36.47`	`Daara`	`it shows up when you select a hero`
`20:36.48`	`Vailreth`	`any one know a way to validate that a resource node is at full resources ?`
`20:36.49`	`Triceron`	`Hrm, but maybe showing inventory would be better. I'll have to think on that`
`20:36.54`	`Daara`	`and disappears when it's not selected`
`20:37.02`	`Triceron`	`1-5 are all abilities, the icons are all placeholder`
`20:37.16`	`Daara`	`that's really cool looking though`
`20:37.21`	`Triceron`	`thx`
`20:37.29`	`Vailreth`	`yes very nice Triceron`
`20:37.40`	`Vailreth`	`im jealous abit but eh`
`20:37.43`	`Daara`	`it's actually something that very much fits with the theme of my map lol`
`20:38.06`	`Daara`	`i was planning on something like that right above the character panel`
`20:38.20`	`Daara`	`or units panel whatever it's called`
`20:38.43`	`Triceron`	`I'm planning on only having this pretty much as the entire player UI`
`20:38.53`	`Daara`	`ah`
`20:39.09`	`Dustin\|Work`	`What map you making Triceron`
`20:39.10`	`Vailreth`	`i am redoing my viruscite from scratch and i need a way of making the viruscite only multiple when its resource is full`
`20:39.18`	`Triceron`	`then just have a mini map, and unit selection off to the side. Everything else would be windows hidden with buttons, like inventory, character stats, talents etc`
`20:39.34`	`Triceron`	`planning on a RPG map of sorts`
`20:39.38`	`Dustin\|Work`	`nice`
`20:39.57`	`Triceron`	`something with heroes, that's about as solid as I've got the ideas lol`
`20:40.06`	`Dustin\|Work`	`hehe`
`20:40.27`	`Daara`	`triceron`
`20:40.32`	`Daara`	`should work with me ^^`
`20:41.06`	`Daara`	`we'd have the best map on b.net for sure :D`
`20:41.50`	`Triceron`	`I still don't know what my plans are yet completely, but I'm trying to keep things simple`
`20:43.29`	`Daara`	`my idea is gameplay will be quite simple, get shit, kill shit, level up, kill more shit`
`20:43.47`	`Otixa_`	`Triceron, you nerdy slut pumpkin`
`20:43.49`	`Daara`	`just gets complex with the strategies you can use`
`20:43.55`	`Otixa_`	`...Nope, still sounds wrong`
`20:44.00`	`Otixa_`	`resubmerges`
`20:44.00`	`Daara`	`and the builds you can do with your heroes`
`20:44.18`	`Daara`	`otixa, no one mentions the slutty pumpkin`
`20:44.21`	`Daara`	`she never showed up`
`20:44.31`	`Otixa_`	`inorite >:C`
`20:44.36`	`Daara`	`even though ted looks for her every year :c`
`20:44.42`	`Triceron`	`I don't plan to do anything with buildings though, trying to avoid base building stuff :P`
`20:44.57`	`Triceron`	`as much as possible anyways`
`20:45.06`	`Daara`	`players don't build much in mine`
`20:45.21`	`Daara`	`they give the materials to the city and they do it`
`20:50.07`	`Vailreth`	`hmm`
`20:50.27`	`Vailreth`	`ok i have narrowed down my bug to the create persistent effect`
`20:53.17`	`iMisu`	`I wish the save icon would be grey if you just saved recently and made no changes.`
`20:53.59`	`iMisu`	`My dialog trigger is starting to look like my itunes play list`
`20:54.54`	`Dustin\|Work`	`lol`
`20:55.16`	`Dustin\|Work`	`iMisu`
`20:55.19`	`iMisu`	`?`
`20:55.20`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Just look at the map name`
`20:55.35`	`Dustin\|Work`	`If it's been saved recently with no changes there will not be a * after the name`
`20:55.39`	`Vailreth`	`any one know if there is a conflict in putting a periodic effect into a a beahviors periodic effect ?`
`20:55.39`	`KubiE`	`Dustinisawhore.sc2map`
`20:55.44`	`Dustin\|Work`	`If theres recent changes unsaved it will have the *`
`20:55.49`	`iMisu`	`oooo k`
`20:55.56`	`iMisu`	`saving takes like 35 minutes`
`20:55.59`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Not that I've seen Vailreth`
`20:56.02`	`iMisu`	`seconds *`
`20:56.06`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Lol`
`20:56.07`	`Vailreth`	`ah`
`20:56.15`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I was gonna say, jesus thats a long save lol`
`20:56.26`	`iMisu`	`stage 2 raid 0 500 gig solid state drives`
`20:56.30`	`iMisu`	`and this program runs like stupid`
`20:56.38`	`Dustin\|Work`	`That sucks :(`
`20:56.44`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Also thats an expensive SSD`
`20:56.46`	`Dustin\|Work`	`and Im jelly`
`20:57.09`	`*** join/#sc2mapster JademusSreg (~jademus.s@c-76-123-235-103.hsd1.tn.comcast.net)`
`20:57.10`	`iMisu`	`9 60gig solidstates :P`
`20:57.19`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Oh wow lol`
`20:57.33`	`Vailreth`	`hmm`
`20:57.33`	`iMisu`	`>:)`
`20:57.36`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I guess that'd the best way to get hella ssd space atm :P`
`20:57.49`	`iMisu`	`cheapest, and fastest`
`20:58.01`	`Daara`	`how much are 60gb ssd?`
`20:58.03`	`iMisu`	`2.5gb/s read and write seq`
`20:58.03`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I just want like a 120 gig ssd to install my OS and some main games`
`20:58.08`	`iMisu`	`mine were 140`
`20:58.09`	`twodie`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RzTRXZuMxI`
`20:58.22`	`Daara`	`500gb one only like 350`
`20:58.30`	`iMisu`	`mine 140 each`
`20:58.35`	`iMisu`	`cause of the read and write speeds`
`20:58.51`	`iMisu`	`i was going to get a revo drive`
`20:58.55`	`iMisu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:59.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Pew.`
`20:59.24`	`iMisu`	`using a revo controller though`
`20:59.40`	`Zolden`	`Jew`
`20:59.42`	`Daara`	`love the onion :D`
`20:59.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Sweet onions.`
`21:00.07`	`Zolden`	`twodie: tried it?`
`21:00.13`	`twodie`	`Zolden what?`
`21:00.16`	`Vailreth`	`bahhhh why does this not work`
`21:00.35`	`Zolden`	`twodie: the fixed 2v2`
`21:00.53`	`Daara`	`this is a dream come true! smile, DEATH TO ALL INFIDELS!`
`21:01.07`	`twodie`	`Zolden havent uplaoded yet. but as we know you will do that!`
`21:01.46`	`iMisu`	`http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/7894/mapdialogsample.jpg`
`21:02.03`	`iMisu`	`its not really scsi`
`21:02.11`	`Zolden`	`twodie: honestly, i'm a bit bored of the game ;/`
`21:02.16`	`iMisu`	`2x2 esata`
`21:02.21`	`iMisu`	`esata III that is`
`21:02.30`	`twodie`	`Zolden heh, great news!`
`21:02.41`	`iMisu`	`Misu must have blocked zolden`
`21:02.48`	`iMisu`	`I see oyu guys talk to him but never see what he says lol`
`21:03.16`	`twodie`	`iMisu hater!`
`21:03.17`	`iMisu`	`He must have make her mad lol`
`21:05.18`	`twodie`	`btw does Lighting change for Player works fine if someone test it?`
`21:06.30`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Why does it look like you're using a windows 98 theme lol`
`21:07.33`	`twodie`	`I DONT :(`
`21:07.37`	`Daara`	`cause she is`
`21:07.49`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Taintedwisp (4bb54181@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.181.65.129)`
`21:08.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`so bored..`
`21:08.35`	`twodie`	`JOIN THE PARTY!`
`21:09.13`	`*** join/#sc2mapster xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx (~xXdRaGoNr@74.198.9.85)`
`21:09.19`	`xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx`	`hello`
`21:09.22`	`xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx`	`question`
`21:09.29`	`twodie`	`answer`
`21:09.30`	`Dustin\|Work`	`answer`
`21:09.32`	`xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx`	`is it possible to ge a units location`
`21:09.39`	`Dustin\|Work`	`high fives twodie`
`21:09.39`	`xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx`	`as say in x and y coords`
`21:09.42`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Yes`
`21:09.46`	`Dustin\|Work`	`UnitPosition`
`21:09.59`	`twodie`	`says thanks Dustin\|Work ;)`
`21:10.01`	`xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx`	`i would like to make a smaller custom map that uses it`
`21:10.08`	`xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx`	`so unit position`
`21:10.14`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Set Point = GetUnitPosition(Unit)`
`21:10.27`	`Dustin\|Work`	`something like that`
`21:10.32`	`JademusSreg`	`P=D`
`21:10.46`	`xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx`	`ok ill try that`
`21:11.15`	`Otixa_`	`punches both Dustin and JademusSreg`
`21:11.18`	`Otixa_`	`@_@`
`21:11.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Good morning.`
`21:11.34`	`Otixa_`	`Good nearly midnight ;p`
`21:11.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`Otixa`
`21:12.02`	`Otixa_`	`punches Taintedwisp too`
`21:12.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`America is the only country that matters, so good morning :P`
`21:12.19`	`xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx`	`i dont find it im using gui`
`21:12.33`	`xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx`	`does it have to be a certain data type`
`21:12.39`	`xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx`	`aka real , int`
`21:12.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Morning is whenever I awake. =D`
`21:12.54`	`xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx`	`my variable i have is int`
`21:12.55`	`Otixa_`	`:>`
`21:13.13`	`Otixa_`	`Breakfast plz`
`21:13.47`	`xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx`	`found it it is under point`
`21:13.56`	`xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx`	`thank you dustin`
`21:15.05`	`twodie`	`derp depr derp!`
`21:15.49`	`*** part/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.82.176.89.pool.invitel.hu)`
`21:15.57`	`Vailreth`	`now just to fine tune the spawn rates of my viruscite and seed viruscite nodes and i think i can move on`
`21:16.18`	`iMisu`	`http://www.ebay.com/itm/Awesome-LOT-Twinkie-Hostess-Twinkie-the-Kid-Lunchbox-Canister-for-Twinkies-/121060895117?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c2fcaa98d`
`21:19.08`	`twodie`	`derp!`
`21:20.27`	`iMisu`	`cheerios grow on trees now`
`21:20.58`	`Saeris`	`lol, oh wow`
`21:21.01`	`iMisu`	`http://www.flickr.com/photos/emeraldcitycreative/2484928631/`
`21:21.11`	`Saeris`	`D3 was the #1 selling game last year for PC`
`21:21.12`	`iMisu`	`http://www.flickr.com/photos/markd_pics/3097671766/`
`21:21.15`	`Saeris`	`12 million copies`
`21:21.15`	`iMisu`	`lies`
`21:21.22`	`iMisu`	`thats mega bullshit`
`21:21.28`	`iMisu`	`they are lying about statistics`
`21:21.48`	`Saeris`	`i doubt it`
`21:21.57`	`twodie`	`it was any Newest COD released that year`
`21:21.59`	`Saeris`	`the bulk of the sales were in the first week`
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`21:22.37`	`twodie`	`Lets bounce bitches?`
`21:22.52`	`Saeris`	`http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ACTI/2310472046x0x634081/fbb6a75d-f965-442b-8d6a-bde335918118/Q4_2012_atvi_press_release.pdf`
`21:23.03`	`Saeris`	`there's the shareholder press release`
`21:23.13`	`iMisu`	`brb going to make fake pdf`
`21:23.26`	`Saeris`	`Pandaria was #3 on the top selling PC games list`
`21:23.29`	`iMisu`	`the game is garbage`
`21:23.40`	`iMisu`	`i can believe pandas`
`21:23.45`	`iMisu`	`but not d3`
`21:24.02`	`iMisu`	`i also assume they say something like`
`21:24.10`	`iMisu`	`25 million people play diablo 3 right`
`21:24.23`	`Saeris`	`nope`
`21:24.30`	`twodie`	`yeah starter edition`
`21:24.58`	`Saeris`	`not in this press release at least =P`
`21:25.00`	`iMisu`	`the game with the worst launch in history`
`21:25.10`	`iMisu`	`stress testing for 3 months`
`21:25.18`	`Saeris`	`worst launch? hah`
`21:25.19`	`iMisu`	`and the stress tests went better than the actual launch`
`21:25.46`	`iMisu`	`servers up and down every 3-5 minutes for the first 3 weeks....`
`21:25.51`	`Saeris`	`they had a peak of about 500k users during their stress tests`
`21:25.59`	`Saeris`	`they easily had millions in the first day trying to log in`
`21:26.20`	`Saeris`	`there were more than 7 million copies sold within the first month from what i've heard`
`21:26.33`	`iMisu`	`2 best games in their whole existance is wow vanilla and sc2`
`21:26.37`	`iMisu`	`everything else bleh`
`21:26.45`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Uhhh`
`21:26.46`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Negatory`
`21:26.51`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Everything before SC2`
`21:26.54`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Well`
`21:27.01`	`iMisu`	`thats right`
`21:27.01`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Vanilla WoW and everything before SC2`
`21:27.02`	`iMisu`	`retract`
`21:27.08`	`Saeris`	`even WoW didn't have that many people all at once from the begining`
`21:27.09`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Were their best games`
`21:27.34`	`Saeris`	`it was impossible to predict that D3 would have as many people trying to play it as there were WoW subscribers`
`21:27.52`	`iMisu`	`they said it would come out with pvp`
`21:27.55`	`iMisu`	`STILL NOT OUT`
`21:27.57`	`iMisu`	`.... >.>`
`21:28.03`	`Vailreth`	`yeah they cancled the pvp`
`21:28.06`	`Dustin\|Work`	`^`
`21:28.08`	`iMisu`	`idiots!`
`21:28.11`	`Dustin\|Work`	`D3 is a waste`
`21:28.17`	`iMisu`	`^`
`21:28.21`	`Saeris`	`dueling coming next week i think, actually`
`21:28.22`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Best to ignore it and let blizzard know they fucked up`
`21:28.25`	`iMisu`	`its a real simulation auction house`
`21:28.52`	`iMisu`	`Auction House 3`
`21:29.02`	`Dustin\|Work`	`AH SIMULATOR 2013!`
`21:29.06`	`Vailreth`	`the developers should have watched the extra credits series on penny arcade`
`21:29.23`	`Vailreth`	`maybe then diablo 3 would have been better`
`21:29.38`	`Dustin\|Work`	`They should have played D2`
`21:29.44`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Cause I really dont think they did`
`21:29.56`	`iMisu`	`They watched youtube videos`
`21:29.59`	`iMisu`	`and said, oh we can do that`
`21:30.08`	`Vailreth`	`yeah thats what i was about to say`
`21:30.37`	`Vailreth`	`i love blizzards games and i like the company i just dont think the people making the big descions have a clue`
`21:30.53`	`Vailreth`	`like cancling starcraft ghost...`
`21:31.05`	`Saeris`	`haha`
`21:31.07`	`Saeris`	`dude`
`21:31.21`	`Saeris`	`SC Ghost was so far behind in that console generation`
`21:31.27`	`Vailreth`	`so`
`21:31.33`	`Dustin\|Work`	`SC ghost should have been a PC game`
`21:31.40`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Their mistake was to try and make a console game`
`21:31.44`	`Saeris`	`development was cancled AFTER xbox 360 lauched, and ALL the development was done for the original xbox!`
`21:31.47`	`Dustin\|Work`	`They werent even making it, they outsourced it`
`21:31.47`	`Saeris`	`it woulda tanked`
`21:32.02`	`Saeris`	`it would have needed to be restarted at that point`
`21:32.13`	`Dustin\|Work`	`My friend played it at Blizzcon that one year said it was fun as fuck`
`21:32.14`	`Saeris`	`and SC2 woulda been delayed probably a few more years as a result`
`21:32.41`	`iMisu`	`cause canning 500 employees is more important`
`21:32.54`	`Vailreth`	`yeah i honsently do not believe blizzard puts as much effrot into the games as they say they do`
`21:33.02`	`Vailreth`	`the cinematics yes`
`21:33.07`	`Saeris`	`lol`
`21:33.11`	`iMisu`	`cinematics are fucking beautiful`
`21:33.15`	`iMisu`	`the game sometimes is like.. wtf`
`21:33.17`	`Vailreth`	`the games the cinematics are in not so much`
`21:33.25`	`Dustin\|Work`	`At this point im sure it's all just political BS trying to get shit done`
`21:33.35`	`Vailreth`	`likely`
`21:33.38`	`iMisu`	`i almost think that blizzard doesnt make their cinematics`
`21:33.42`	`iMisu`	`just because they look that awesome`
`21:33.43`	`Saeris`	`man, you guys really have no idea what you are talking about`
`21:33.57`	`iMisu`	`WATCH OUT GUYS`
`21:34.01`	`iMisu`	`WE GOT A BAD ASS OVER HERE`
`21:34.04`	`Vailreth`	`didnt claim to know ... its just how i feel`
`21:34.05`	`iMisu`	`SAERIS WORKS AT BLIZZARD`
`21:34.08`	`iMisu`	`HE KNOWS ALL THIS SHIT`
`21:34.57`	`Vailreth`	`i think the devs want to make great games but get some how handicapped`
`21:35.03`	`Saeris`	`cinematics is probably the SLOWEST part of the whole company, previsely because they over-engineer the fuck out of everything`
`21:35.17`	`iMisu`	`who cares they are amazing`
`21:35.18`	`Saeris`	`know how makes cinematics as good as Blizz? Blur Studios`
`21:35.25`	`iMisu`	`id play the shitty game just to see the nice cinematics they make`
`21:35.29`	`Saeris`	`they do it with 1/3rd the team size`
`21:35.34`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Stranger (~whois@69-196-186-109.dsl.teksavvy.com)`
`21:35.40`	`Saeris`	`and do the same quality work in months as opposed to years`
`21:36.28`	`Saeris`	`http://www.blur.com/`
`21:36.42`	`Saeris`	`blur is behind most of the cinematics in the entire industry`
`21:37.03`	`Saeris`	`they knock this shit out left and right`
`21:38.02`	`Saeris`	`you know all those SWTOR cinematics everyone jizzed their pants over? all thanks to Blur`
`21:38.12`	`Vailreth`	`actually i dont`
`21:38.13`	`Saeris`	`EA outsouced that shit, and it shows`
`21:38.20`	`iMisu`	`swtor looks like garbage`
`21:38.24`	`iMisu`	`terrible game graphics`
`21:38.28`	`iMisu`	`jagged as hell`
`21:38.29`	`Saeris`	`of course it does`
`21:38.37`	`Saeris`	`the old republic is garbage`
`21:38.54`	`Saeris`	`it isn't called the tortanic for nothing`
`21:39.42`	`Saeris`	`http://vz3.blur.com/work/detail/star-wars#movies/1`
`21:39.50`	`iMisu`	`http://vz3.blur.com/work/detail/the-force-unleashed-2#movies/1`
`21:39.52`	`iMisu`	`lol`
`21:40.02`	`Vailreth`	`its it me or are minerals bigger in HotS beta than they are in WoL`
`21:43.07`	`Triceron`	`they are by 1.32%`
`21:43.24`	`iMisu`	`i thought it was 1.2388%`
`21:43.45`	`Triceron`	`oh, my mistake. I was thinking of an old patch`
`21:43.55`	`iMisu`	`LOL`
`21:44.27`	`Vailreth`	`i just didnt remember them being as tall as a marauder`
`21:44.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`America, Home of the free and land of the whopper`
`21:44.55`	`Vailreth`	`sigh`
`21:45.06`	`nooblark`	`http://i.imgur.com/M0h3n26.jpg`
`21:45.11`	`iMisu`	`"*murica home of the fat and land of the trolls`
`21:45.11`	`Triceron`	`I know they were bigger than marines`
`21:45.18`	`Triceron`	`cuz you could literally hide marines in a mineral field`
`21:45.34`	`iMisu`	`WTF nooblark`
`21:45.45`	`nooblark`	`?`
`21:45.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`Whats wrong Vailreth?`
`21:46.10`	`Triceron`	`Home of the land and free of the whopper`
`21:48.10`	`Saeris`	`so yea, Blizzard Cinematics can be described as horribly inefficient, much more so than the rest of the company at the very least`
`21:48.43`	`Vailreth`	`i want pizza`
`21:49.23`	`Vailreth`	`not just any pizza roman delight stuffed pizza with a side of orange chicken and a pepsi`
`21:49.53`	`Dustin\|Work`	`mmmm`
`21:51.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`21:52.24`	`Vailreth`	`its actually very good`
`21:54.41`	`Zolden`	`lol nooblark`
`21:57.16`	`Vailreth`	`'nooblark * shakes head*`
`22:02.00`	`Saeris`	`oi otixa_ you around?`
`22:02.09`	`Otixa_`	`Maybe`
`22:02.44`	`Otixa_`	`Wut you want? :P`
`22:02.46`	`Saeris`	`got a question for ya, how long would you say it takes you to concept, model, texture, and animate a character?`
`22:03.12`	`Otixa_`	`Uhh, I don't really deal in characters`
`22:03.17`	`Otixa_`	`You're better off asking Triceron`
`22:03.22`	`Saeris`	`alright enviroment then`
`22:03.24`	`Otixa_`	`But about a 1-2 weeks`
`22:03.30`	`Otixa_`	`Environment depends`
`22:03.34`	`Otixa_`	`How many set pieces?`
`22:03.45`	`Saeris`	`and i'm just talking individual assets`
`22:03.48`	`Triceron`	`~ a week but I don't animate`
`22:04.05`	`Otixa_`	`Uhh, I can cnock out an averege set piece in about a day or 2`
`22:04.08`	`Otixa_`	`knock*`
`22:04.13`	`Triceron`	`if I'm in teh zone, 3 days to get a model done and rigged`
`22:04.20`	`Otixa_`	`Really depends a lot on the style tho`
`22:04.30`	`Saeris`	`of course`
`22:04.32`	`Otixa_`	`If it's hand painted, then it could take up to 4 days`
`22:04.45`	`Otixa_`	`If it's photosourced, and nothing too complicated to sculpt`
`22:04.48`	`Otixa_`	`Can be a day or less`
`22:04.50`	`Saeris`	`just trying to establish a baseline for the average asset's creation time`
`22:05.18`	`Triceron`	`Iteration is prolly the biggest thing that throws off the pipeline for me`
`22:05.19`	`Otixa_`	`Would be easier if you were to show me some reference photo`
`22:05.29`	`Otixa_`	`Then I could guesstimate how long it would take to make ;p`
`22:05.46`	`Saeris`	`well i'm not asking you to make anything =P`
`22:05.59`	`Otixa_`	`Triceron, sculpting and retopology for me :c`
`22:06.04`	`Triceron`	`it's not just making a model, it's making a model look good. I usually take a few tries at it before I get the results I want.`
`22:06.22`	`Saeris`	`i'm curious how long it takes you guys, because i know both of you are talented enough at what you do to be on the same level as most of the 3d artists at blizz`
`22:06.30`	`Triceron`	`sometimes the first try is all you need, sometimes you just gotta start from scratch`
`22:06.39`	`Otixa_`	`^`
`22:06.52`	`Triceron`	`fora real good quality model, it can take a month for me.`
`22:06.59`	`Otixa_`	`Well, I can usually shoehorn the shit I make into looking good`
`22:07.18`	`Otixa_`	`The last scene I did took a month and a half`
`22:07.31`	`Otixa_`	`But it was mostly because of the stained glass windows`
`22:07.34`	`Saeris`	`so, let's say for the average artist, 1 art asset can take about a week's time to make`
`22:07.37`	`Otixa_`	`And the tri count limit`
`22:07.39`	`Triceron`	`http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Front_Back.jpg This was a test I did for an Arena.net app, took about a month`
`22:07.47`	`Triceron`	`based on one concept art piece`
`22:07.49`	`Zolden`	`i can make a model for a few seconds if it's a model of an untextured triangle`
`22:07.56`	`Saeris`	`nice triceron`
`22:07.56`	`Otixa_`	`Nice Triceron ;D`
`22:08.05`	`iMisu`	`http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/5198/wescwp.jpg`
`22:08.07`	`Dustin\|Work`	`TRICERON`
`22:08.09`	`Otixa_`	`I still hate the way you do metal tho ;p`
`22:08.10`	`Dustin\|Work`	`That is sick as fuck`
`22:08.12`	`Zolden`	`Triceron: it's badass`
`22:08.28`	`Otixa_`	`Also, folds on the sleeve`
`22:08.29`	`Triceron`	`metal in Guild Wars is pretty clean`
`22:08.44`	`Otixa_`	`Yeah, but they have cube maps to back it up`
`22:09.10`	`Dustin\|Work`	`We got enough Programmers/Modelers here to start our own game dev company`
`22:09.18`	`nooblark`	`DO IT`
`22:09.22`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I want to!`
`22:09.24`	`nooblark`	`i call design.`
`22:09.27`	`Otixa_`	`Dustin, I'll be doing that in half a year4 :P`
`22:09.41`	`Saeris`	`anyways, as i was saying, you guys have proven multiple times that you're just as good as most artists in the industry`
`22:09.47`	`Dustin\|Work`	`That's all I want, is my own game studio is that too much to ask damnit!`
`22:09.57`	`Saeris`	`and it takes you on average 1-2 weeks to knock out an asset`
`22:10.14`	`Saeris`	`let's multiply that out times a couple thousand assets`
`22:10.14`	`Otixa_`	`Dustin, learn to work with UDK and brace for epic`
`22:10.21`	`Triceron`	`I am in the industry, just not employed right now -_-`
`22:10.37`	`Triceron`	`hate Vancouver.`
`22:10.48`	`Saeris`	`and say that there are about 20 of you working full time to make all those assets`
`22:10.58`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I'm torn between focusing on Unity or UDK`
`22:11.11`	`Otixa_`	`Dustin, go UDK and work with me and Xaragoth :B`
`22:11.17`	`Triceron`	`I like Unity`
`22:11.21`	`Triceron`	`it's simple`
`22:11.25`	`Otixa_`	`We have an epic game concept`
`22:11.45`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Gonna re-dl UDK tonight and play around with it again`
`22:11.57`	`Otixa_`	`Learn UScript`
`22:12.01`	`Otixa_`	`NoUscript!`
`22:12.06`	`Saeris`	`so 20 artists working in parallel to make 1000 assets would take roughly 50 weeks according to the measure we've established`
`22:12.20`	`Otixa_`	`Saeris, you're missing one important thing tho`
`22:12.23`	`Dustin\|Work`	`WHAT`
`22:12.27`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I dont think I can do this`
`22:12.29`	`Saeris`	`consider than most games these days have more than a couple thousand art assets`
`22:12.31`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Uscript is Similiar to Java`
`22:12.37`	`Otixa_`	`Every artist has a different baseline style they work in`
`22:12.39`	`Dustin\|Work`	`shivers`
`22:12.53`	`Saeris`	`oh yea for sure, that number varies quite a bit, i know`
`22:12.56`	`Otixa_`	`So the creative/art director would always tell them to tweak shit`
`22:13.01`	`Otixa_`	`So they match the style of the game`
`22:13.14`	`Otixa_`	`And that takes up a lot of time`
`22:13.29`	`Saeris`	`it would actually take much longer than 50 weeks for 20 artists to knock out a thousand assets`
`22:13.30`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Wow`
`22:13.43`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Uscript is some hybrid of C/C++/Java`
`22:13.45`	`Otixa_`	`Dustin, morelike similar to C++`
`22:13.48`	`Otixa_`	`yeah`
`22:13.51`	`Otixa_`	`just go learn it`
`22:13.55`	`Otixa_`	`Then work with us`
`22:13.58`	`Otixa_`	`And have nice things`
`22:14.06`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I already know C#, shouldnt be hard`
`22:14.07`	`Tomura`	`yes it's more a hybrid between C++ and java`
`22:14.15`	`Otixa_`	`Well, there ya go`
`22:14.20`	`Tomura`	`yeah and if you know c# it should be ok`
`22:14.33`	`Otixa_`	`Tomura, Y U always lurk? :D`
`22:14.37`	`Tomura`	`the hardest part is to work into the game structure`
`22:14.41`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Ill get to learning this uscript shit Otixa`
`22:14.52`	`Otixa_`	`pats Dustin on the head`
`22:14.53`	`Otixa_`	`Good lad`
`22:15.54`	`Tomura`	`mapster is not the main chat I'm writing in`
`22:16.01`	`Tomura`	`@Otixa`
`22:16.29`	`Otixa_`	`Oh? There's a better channel? :D`
`22:16.57`	`Tomura`	`if you're german yes`
`22:17.12`	`Otixa_`	`Bah >:\|`
`22:17.16`	`Tomura`	`^^`
`22:17.24`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I took German in highschool`
`22:17.35`	`Tomura`	`at least for me because I have a better relationship to the people I work with at instarcraft`
`22:17.37`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Ich HeiBe Dustin. Wo Bist du?`
`22:17.54`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Thats about all I got out of it`
`22:18.12`	`Otixa_`	`Hurrdurr moonspeak hurr`
`22:18.13`	`Otixa_`	`:D`
`22:18.21`	`Ahli`	`http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/8636017/StarCraft_Short_Story_In_the_Blood-2_7_2013 http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/8636013/New_Wallpaper_Oracle-2_6_2013`
`22:18.41`	`Triceron`	`Saeris, that's why if you go indy, you'll have to invest in using generic model packs sometimes.`
`22:18.53`	`Saeris`	`yup`
`22:19.12`	`Otixa_`	`Saeris won't be working with us? >:C`
`22:19.20`	`Otixa_`	`What blasphemy is this?`
`22:19.34`	`Saeris`	`i was mostly establishing that statistic for those of us here that are unfamiliar with how much work it actually takes to make a AAA title`
`22:19.50`	`Otixa_`	`Otixa make shiny`
`22:19.52`	`Otixa_`	`Shiny good`
`22:19.57`	`Otixa_`	`Mmm... Pixels`
`22:20.09`	`Otixa_`	`rubs himself`
`22:20.13`	`Saeris`	`i may join you guys, depends where i'm at by the end of the year =P`
`22:20.33`	`Otixa_`	`;>`
`22:21.35`	`Saeris`	`i may have a group of talented designers for you too, otixa`
`22:21.41`	`Otixa_`	`:O`
`22:21.44`	`Otixa_`	`Yes plz :D`
`22:21.50`	`Otixa_`	`I need more shiny pixel minions`
`22:21.54`	`Saeris`	`these guys i work with on the OneGoal project know their shit`
`22:22.18`	`Saeris`	`and i know they want to get started with an indie dev eventually`
`22:22.21`	`Triceron`	`I like the idea of Onegoal`
`22:22.35`	`Triceron`	`but it's shifted so far from SC2 it's really it's own thing now.`
`22:22.59`	`Saeris`	`yea, but, that's sort of the point`
`22:23.05`	`Triceron`	`can't really call it Starcraft any more. You need to know the balance of One Goal to play it`
`22:23.08`	`Dustin\|Work`	`OneGoal?`
`22:23.10`	`Saeris`	`we don't want it to be SC2 Brood War remake edition`
`22:23.26`	`Triceron`	`it's a Balance mod`
`22:23.33`	`Saeris`	`and we're trying out shit that we know blizz won't do if we just suggest it to them`
`22:23.34`	`Saeris`	`so`
`22:23.41`	`Saeris`	`it's just all experimenting with new ideas`
`22:23.46`	`Saeris`	`to see if they solve existing problems`
`22:24.03`	`Dustin\|Work`	`ahh`
`22:24.22`	`Triceron`	`but it also adds new abilities/units/tech that rewards skill and unit composition over SC2's current deathball-spellchain gameplay`
`22:24.25`	`Saeris`	`and it's pretty much a form of constructive feedback`
`22:25.30`	`Dustin\|Work`	`It really is very deathbally`
`22:25.46`	`Triceron`	`I can't really see it being feedback when it deviates so greatly. I can respect a lot of their proposed ideas, like giving battlecruisers a blink to give them a bit of mobility/positioning, but then you factor in that the Zerg counter to BC's are now a mutalisk evolution and it starts going out of whack.`
`22:26.21`	`Triceron`	`it's like... the Battle cruiser's in a totally new position because AA units of other races have changed.`
`22:26.27`	`Otixa_`	`SETTLE DOWN, SLUTPUMPKINS`
`22:26.32`	`Triceron`	`so it doesn't really help SC`
`22:26.35`	`Otixa_`	`hits Triceron, Saeris and Dustin with a stick`
`22:26.41`	`Triceron`	`nou`
`22:26.46`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I didnt do nuffin!`
`22:30.37`	`Otixa_`	`Do a muffin`
`22:30.40`	`Otixa_`	`Mmm...`
`22:30.43`	`Otixa_`	`Fuck a muffin`
`22:30.45`	`Otixa_`	`;DD`
`22:35.13`	`*** join/#sc2mapster QueenG (cdaf7c31@gateway/web/freenode/ip.205.175.124.49)`
`22:35.20`	`Triceron`	`12 million units of D3 sold`
`22:35.27`	`Triceron`	`I wonder what SC2's numbers are at`
`22:35.37`	`QueenG`	`hey Triceron`
`22:35.42`	`QueenG`	`hi guys`
`22:35.47`	`Triceron`	`hey QueenG`
`22:37.29`	`QueenG`	`I just wrote a big rant on a Curse forums about girl gamers/geeks how we're being misunderstood, surpressed and unnecessarily judged.. And then an hour later it was deleted`
`22:37.33`	`Otixa_`	`QueenG -> http://www.epoxysuperstore.com/store/images/Squeegee-Back.jpg`
`22:37.55`	`Otixa_`	`Wow, I like my timing on that one :D`
`22:38.03`	`QueenG`	`whats that for Otixa?`
`22:38.13`	`Otixa_`	`That's how your nickname sounds in my mind`
`22:38.18`	`Otixa_`	`EVERY FUCKING TIME`
`22:38.21`	`QueenG`	`haha thats funny`
`22:38.23`	`Otixa_`	`I open up IRC`
`22:38.30`	`Otixa_`	`And my mind is like SQUEEGEE`
`22:38.41`	`Otixa_`	`uH, CARRY ON`
`22:38.44`	`Otixa_`	`-caps`
`22:38.45`	`QueenG`	`u know what that reminds me of, "eee esschoogie"`
`22:38.53`	`QueenG`	`Mario saying excuse me`
`22:38.59`	`Otixa_`	`:D`
`22:39.12`	`Otixa_`	`Oh, also`
`22:39.19`	`Otixa_`	`You're a minority, everyone hates you`
`22:39.22`	`Otixa_`	`Welcome to interwebs`
`22:39.26`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Know what game was badass back in the day? Fucking Hexen`
`22:39.27`	`Otixa_`	`No, we don't give out free shit`
`22:39.37`	`Otixa_`	`highfives Dustin`
`22:39.41`	`Otixa_`	`Hell yeah ;D`
`22:39.48`	`Otixa_`	`QueenG, hate everyone back`
`22:40.02`	`Otixa_`	`Then everyone hates everyone and we're all on the same page`
`22:40.09`	`Otixa_`	`Like that Dustin fucktard`
`22:40.15`	`Otixa_`	`Man, I hate that nub >:[`
`22:40.28`	`Triceron`	`I loved Hexen`
`22:40.28`	`Otixa_`	`beats Dustin with a stick`
`22:40.32`	`QueenG`	`nice`
`22:40.36`	`Triceron`	`that's what we need more of these days. Dark fantasy FPS`
`22:40.40`	`Dustin\|Work`	`yess`
`22:40.45`	`Dustin\|Work`	`They need to remake Hexen`
`22:40.47`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Would be sick`
`22:40.52`	`Otixa_`	`Neh`
`22:40.54`	`Otixa_`	`Fuck FPS`
`22:40.57`	`Triceron`	`I wanted to do a Hexen mod for Quake Wars, but that game was a massive flop :(`
`22:41.00`	`Otixa_`	`STOP MAKING ME PAUSE MY SHOW`
`22:41.03`	`Otixa_`	`ACTUALLY`
`22:41.11`	`Triceron`	`woulda been awesome too, leveling up and shit`
`22:41.14`	`Otixa_`	`STOP HAVING INTERESTING CONVERSATIONS DURING OTIXA TV TIME`
`22:41.23`	`Triceron`	`Otixa_`
`22:41.23`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Hell ya`
`22:41.28`	`Triceron`	`Otixa_`
`22:41.32`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Lol Otixa`
`22:41.33`	`Triceron`	`Otixa_`
`22:41.34`	`Otixa_`	`... >:[`
`22:41.39`	`Saeris`	`lol`
`22:41.58`	`Otixa_`	`Actually`
`22:42.04`	`Otixa_`	`There was this other game like Hexen`
`22:42.07`	`Otixa_`	`What was it?`
`22:42.10`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Heretic`
`22:42.14`	`Otixa_`	`Ah, ye`
`22:42.16`	`Otixa_`	`;D`
`22:42.27`	`Otixa_`	`Good times`
`22:42.30`	`Saeris`	`ya'll are gonna hate me, i haven't played either =P`
`22:42.31`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I think Hexen was the sequal to heretic`
`22:42.43`	`Triceron`	`surprisingly the sprites from Hexen still look pretty damn good`
`22:42.44`	`Otixa_`	`hits Saeris`
`22:42.51`	`Saeris`	`think you're right there dustin`
`22:42.56`	`Dustin\|Work`	`ya`
`22:42.56`	`Dustin\|Work`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heretic_(video_game)`
`22:43.29`	`Otixa_`	`Tbh, one could say that Oblivion/Elder Scrolls series is the modern day Hexen`
`22:43.36`	`Otixa_`	`Kinda sorta`
`22:43.50`	`Otixa_`	`NOW, BACK TO TV`
`22:43.57`	`Triceron`	`yah, but not multiplay`
`22:44.07`	`Triceron`	`if it were, I'd mod the BEJEEZUS out of it`
`22:44.47`	`Otixa_`	`I love your hair.`
`22:45.36`	`Dustin\|Work`	`In 1999 the source code for Hexen was released by Raven Software under a license that granted rights to non-commercial use,`
`22:45.36`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I wonder if anyone took up development`
`22:45.44`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Triceron`
`22:45.44`	`Dustin\|Work`	`it is`
`22:45.50`	`Saeris`	`Raven software just makes good games`
`22:45.51`	`Saeris`	`like, Quake 4 was one of my favorite games back in the day`
`22:45.51`	`Saeris`	`also by Raven`
`22:45.51`	`Saeris`	`too bad they had some flops afterward and haven't made any games in a while`
`22:46.03`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Hexen uses a modified version of the Doom engine, which allows jumping, network play with up to 8 players and the choice of three character classes.`
`22:46.08`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I didnt know it was MP till I read that`
`22:46.24`	`Otixa_`	`Dustin, old code is old`
`22:46.30`	`Otixa_`	`Things changed since then ;p`
`22:46.40`	`Triceron`	`I meant Skyrim`
`22:46.49`	`Triceron`	`mod skyrim into Hexen :D`
`22:46.51`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Ahh`
`22:46.52`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I see`
`22:46.55`	`Saeris`	`reminds me, i needa find the source code to Doom 3 and read through it some time`
`22:47.43`	`Otixa_`	`relapses`
`22:47.52`	`Otixa_`	`So QueenG, what are you bitching about then? ;p`
`22:47.58`	`Otixa_`	`Saeris, why? ;p`
`22:48.11`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Doom 3, fuck that feels old now`
`22:48.26`	`Dustin\|Work`	`That came out in like 2004/2005 didnt it`
`22:48.29`	`Saeris`	`Id makes a ton of code that gets reused in like, every game ever`
`22:48.33`	`Triceron`	`didn't they release a new Doom3?`
`22:48.34`	`Saeris`	`why not check that shit out?`
`22:48.48`	`Otixa_`	`Eh, I guess`
`22:48.56`	`Otixa_`	`Pastebin us the interesting/clever bits :D`
`22:49.11`	`Saeris`	`if i ever get around to it, sure =P`
`22:49.11`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Damn Im fucking food`
`22:49.15`	`Dustin\|Work`	`good*`
`22:49.21`	`Dustin\|Work`	`April 3, 2005 Doom 3, Release date`
`22:49.34`	`Otixa_`	`TAKE OFF THE REST OF YOUR PANTS`
`22:49.36`	`Otixa_`	`@_@`
`22:49.45`	`Otixa_`	`Dustin, stop fucking food`
`22:49.51`	`Dustin\|Work`	`lmao`
`22:50.12`	`Triceron`	`oh if you like oldschool dungeon crawlers, check out Legend of Grimrock, indy game on Steam`
`22:50.29`	`Triceron`	`it's like classic DnD first person dungeon games, Eye of the Beholder`
`22:51.08`	`Triceron`	`graphics are pretty decent and it captures that dark fantasy feel`
`22:54.47`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I cant stand the multiple party first person games`
`22:54.47`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I dont know why, they just irk me`
`22:55.11`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Yeah I mean its probably a sweet game`
`22:55.21`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I just cant get into that style`
`22:55.47`	`Dustin\|Work`	`headed home`
`23:00.26`	`nooblark`	`http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5149/lolzql.jpg`
`23:00.27`	`nooblark`	`http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5149/lolzql.jpg`
`23:00.28`	`nooblark`	`http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5149/lolzql.jpg`
`23:01.05`	`nooblark`	`I just want to thank Daara for the photo. and my brilliant self for creating the phrase.`
`23:01.32`	`Daara`	`cats are dicks`
`23:01.37`	`nooblark`	`daara`
`23:01.45`	`nooblark`	`did you see my link?`
`23:02.10`	`nooblark`	`way funnier than the original, just saying :P`
`23:02.36`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Taintedwisp (4bb54181@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.181.65.129)`
`23:02.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`~seen Blizz-Deletarius`
`23:03.02`	`purl`	`blizz-deletarius <4a247954@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.36.121.84> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 3h 27m 18s ago, saying: 'Just wait, people will fall for it.'.`
`23:03.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`27 years..`
`23:03.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`23:03.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`~seen Purl`
`23:03.16`	`purl`	`purl is currently on #lotrouidev (2d 6h 32m 16s) #casualti (2d 6h 32m 16s) #linuxfund (2d 6h 32m 16s) #waruidev (2d 6h 32m 16s) #how (2d 6h 32m 16s) #sc2mapster (2d 6h 32m 16s) #riftuidev (2d 6h 32m 16s) #edev (2d 6h 32m 16s) #fossfund (2d 6h 32m 16s) #hosernet (2d 6h 32m 16s) #norganna (2d 6h 32m 16s) #ud (2d 6h 32m 16s) ##ducleague (2d 6h 32m 16s) ...`
`23:03.17`	`Triceron`	`lol`
`23:03.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`~seen repo`
`23:03.44`	`purl`	`repo is currently on #waruidev #sc2mapster #wowace #curseforge. Has said a total of 396 messages. Is idling for 7m 57s, last said: '[RoM] roguecomboq: 03pappawolfie * r46 / (4 files in 1 directory): update V0.5.1 removed premed code for now'.`
`23:04.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`~seen yourmother`
`23:04.04`	`purl`	`Taintedwisp: i haven't seen 'yourmother'`
`23:04.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`~seen mypenis.`
`23:04.16`	`purl`	`Taintedwisp: i haven't seen 'mypenis.'`
`23:04.18`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`23:04.26`	`Taintedwisp`	`trolol`
`23:04.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`~seen troll`
`23:04.30`	`purl`	`troll <bd3fc5e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.63.197.226> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 818d 1h 52m 57s ago, saying: '=)'.`
`23:04.39`	`Otixa_`	`~seen TaintedwispSayAnythingIntelligent`
`23:04.39`	`purl`	`Otixa_: i haven't seen 'taintedwispsayanythingintelligent'`
`23:04.46`	`Otixa_`	`ditto`
`23:04.54`	`nooblark`	`otixa`
`23:04.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`~seen Otixanotbeingabitch`
`23:04.59`	`purl`	`Taintedwisp: i haven't seen 'otixanotbeingabitch'`
`23:05.07`	`Otixa_`	`;D`
`23:05.09`	`nooblark`	`yesterday you said designers make more than coders in programming`
`23:05.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`Who did nooblark?`
`23:05.27`	`Otixa_`	`Mostly, yeh`
`23:05.28`	`nooblark`	`what are the general duties, knowledge required for design?`
`23:05.28`	`taintedwispsayan`	`:P`
`23:05.45`	`Otixa_`	`Uhh, depends`
`23:05.51`	`Otixa_`	`What position?`
`23:06.00`	`Daara`	`it differs on companies`
`23:06.06`	`Otixa_`	`And that`
`23:06.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`A designer is the guy that decides what goes where, a programmer is the guy who does it:P\`
`23:06.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`I would think`
`23:06.20`	`Daara`	`blizzard likes their designers to know how to model and texture`
`23:06.25`	`Otixa_`	`Eh, no`
`23:06.37`	`Otixa_`	`Taintedwisp, you a programmer? ;p`
`23:06.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`nope :P the only programmin I ever did was a bit of HTML and come Visual Basic`
`23:06.58`	`Saeris`	`lol`
`23:07.00`	`Daara`	`i prefer to stay away from programming`
`23:07.03`	`Otixa_`	`;/`
`23:07.04`	`nooblark`	`ignore tainted please. i don't need a sub argument buried in my explaination`
`23:07.14`	`Otixa_`	`Fine`
`23:07.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol nooblark`
`23:07.17`	`Saeris`	`i think you may be confused daara =P sounds more like Valve`
`23:07.18`	`nooblark`	`i'm actually really curious, could be a life changing event.`
`23:07.42`	`Otixa_`	`nooblark, you need to understand color theory, spatial flow, shit like that`
`23:07.48`	`Otixa_`	`Then, depending on what you're doing`
`23:07.52`	`Daara`	`blizzard states in their level design position that you should know how to create and texture 3d enviroments in a 3d modeling program`
`23:07.53`	`Otixa_`	`Branch specific knowledge`
`23:08.05`	`Otixa_`	`For 3D, you need to understand how to use the tools needed`
`23:08.10`	`Triceron`	`Designers?`
`23:08.10`	`Otixa_`	`And a bunch of specific stuff to 3D`
`23:08.18`	`Triceron`	`artists and coders make more than designers`
`23:08.20`	`Saeris`	`daara, the same can be said of using any level editing software`
`23:08.28`	`nooblark`	`maybe i just misunderstood what you said yesterday then.`
`23:08.41`	`Saeris`	`they want you to be familliar with 3d modeling programs because they are very similar to 3d level design programs`
`23:08.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`Makes sense Otixa if you think about it, that way when you are creating things if you need something small on a model done you need to be able to do it yourself to save time.`
`23:09.01`	`nooblark`	`i thought there was a subdivison of programming, one for 'designers', and one for 'coders'`
`23:09.09`	`Triceron`	`oh wait, level designers?`
`23:09.11`	`Saeris`	`and no, SC2 does not count there, as you don't work in a Z axis in the modeling sense`
`23:09.23`	`Daara`	`i brought up level design as an example`
`23:09.24`	`Triceron`	`thpought you meant game design`
`23:09.27`	`Otixa_`	`Saeris, you kinda do`
`23:09.34`	`Daara`	`game design should know a little of everything`
`23:09.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`Triceron he is trying to design his own porno not game :P`
`23:09.51`	`Otixa_`	`Actually, a great game designer would know a lot about the world`
`23:09.59`	`Saeris`	`^`
`23:10.23`	`Otixa_`	`There was an Extra Credits episode about this, I think`
`23:10.23`	`Daara`	`our world or their world?`
`23:10.27`	`Otixa_`	`Both`
`23:10.38`	`Saeris`	`game designers are a little bit of a jack of all trades sort of position`
`23:10.47`	`Otixa_`	`You need to be able to extrapolate interesting shit from real world stuff`
`23:10.50`	`Daara`	`kinda what i do`
`23:11.09`	`Saeris`	`it's more about knowing how things work and why they work`
`23:11.17`	`Otixa_`	`But then again, you also need to know specific shit`
`23:11.27`	`Otixa_`	`Ludology, narratology`
`23:11.34`	`Otixa_`	`A bit of psychology`
`23:11.37`	`Otixa_`	`Maybe more than a bit`
`23:11.48`	`nooblark`	`lol i have a degree in psych :P`
`23:11.54`	`Saeris`	`game designers come from a lot of different backgrounds`
`23:11.56`	`Otixa_`	`Well, there you go ;p`
`23:12.06`	`nooblark`	`along with research knowledge of color perception!`
`23:12.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`HoTS SPOLIER: Kerrigan dies....`
`23:12.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`23:12.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`jk`
`23:12.24`	`Saeris`	`some were art majors, other english majors (like dustin browder), or history, sociology, psychology, etc`
`23:13.10`	`nooblark`	`hey tainted, we're pretty cool. i haven't started arguments, or flipped out on you for something stupid`
`23:13.11`	`Daara`	`that's mainly because there was no real game design degrees before`
`23:13.21`	`nooblark`	`so maybe you'll listen to me...`
`23:13.37`	`Zolden`	`so, guys, are there ways to create path blockers by triggers without dummy units?`
`23:13.55`	`Daara`	`the most important things about game design is to be creative, know what people like to play, and how to implement that`
`23:14.12`	`Otixa_`	`nooblark, that's alright. We exclude Taintedwisp from any semi-intellectual discussion by default ;p`
`23:14.13`	`Daara`	`and how to keep people interested`
`23:14.17`	`Saeris`	`game design degrees usually don't teach you all of what you need to kow to be a designer`
`23:14.23`	`Daara`	`they don't`
`23:14.31`	`nooblark`	`we don't care for all the non sense. honestly, it's just plain childish, and getting worse and worse. quite frankly, i think you may have pissed enough people off yesterday to possibly hinder some needed devlopment from people..`
`23:14.40`	`Daara`	`they basically teach me a bunch of programs`
`23:14.43`	`Otixa_`	`Saeris, they teach you the fundamental shit you need tho`
`23:14.43`	`Daara`	`and that's it`
`23:15.03`	`Otixa_`	`Daara, did you not study ludology?`
`23:15.09`	`Daara`	`not yet`
`23:15.14`	`Otixa_`	`What year are you?`
`23:15.18`	`Daara`	`2nd`
`23:15.24`	`Otixa_`	`Your uni is doing something wrong ;/`
`23:15.31`	`Saeris`	`yea, anyone can learn the basics of design, but you usually pull your inspiration from other subjects`
`23:15.40`	`nooblark`	`minimizing, thanks for the explaination.`
`23:15.51`	`Zolden`	`what's ludology?`
`23:16.08`	`Otixa_`	`The study of play`
`23:16.16`	`Daara`	`whenever i'm asked what i'm doing when playing games`
`23:16.18`	`Zolden`	`A1win: so, we can't create path blockers by triggers without dummy units?`
`23:16.19`	`Daara`	`i say i'm studying`
`23:16.23`	`Otixa_`	`Zolden, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludology`
`23:16.29`	`A1win`	`Zolden, I don't think so`
`23:16.45`	`*** join/#sc2mapster iMisu (~iMisu@54.sub-70-199-80.myvzw.com)`
`23:16.47`	`Otixa_`	`Daara, as a final year student... "Yeeeah.... Research... :D"`
`23:16.48`	`Zolden`	`alright, let it units be`
`23:16.52`	`Daara`	`:D`
`23:16.58`	`Otixa_`	`Tho, to be fair`
`23:17.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`23:17.06`	`Otixa_`	`I recently played a lot of less mainstream games`
`23:17.11`	`A1win`	`I looked for a way long ago and it seems to be the only way, unless the pathing modifying triggers can somehow be made to work (I tried a few things with them but nothing happened)`
`23:17.13`	`Otixa_`	`From which I learned a lot`
`23:17.21`	`Otixa_`	`Tho, I mostly focus on visuals`
`23:17.26`	`Otixa_`	`As that's what my dissertation is`
`23:17.27`	`Daara`	`it's good to get different perspectives`
`23:17.34`	`Saeris`	`my parents upon getting 30+ games in a steam sale: "why do you need to get so many games?" me: "research material"`
`23:17.42`	`Daara`	`haha`
`23:17.49`	`Otixa_`	`"Research of games' visual aesthetics and methodologies"`
`23:17.59`	`A1win`	`Zolden, it might be a good idea to ask about the pathing triggers from blizzard guys if they happen to show up`
`23:17.59`	`Otixa_`	`40k word report @_@`
`23:18.17`	`Zolden`	`A1win: oh yeah, i'll ask the whit out of them`
`23:18.25`	`Saeris`	`"but you don't even play them all" "so? i can still play them later when i get around to it, shit's cheap now, why get it any other time?"`
`23:19.17`	`Otixa_`	`Daara, play Trine2`
`23:19.23`	`Saeris`	`still needa work through the 200+ games i have in my steam library now`
`23:19.25`	`Daara`	`games don't even have to be overly complex to sell either`
`23:19.28`	`Daara`	`look at minecraft`
`23:19.31`	`Otixa_`	`Also that shit we talked about last night with JademusSreg`
`23:19.42`	`Otixa_`	`tbh, minecraft is pretty complex`
`23:19.52`	`Otixa_`	`just doesn't seem like it at first glance`
`23:19.57`	`Daara`	`not really`
`23:20.10`	`Daara`	`you can create the same random world in unity in like 30 seconds`
`23:20.11`	`Saeris`	`yea, minecraft is pretty complex, even down to a technical level`
`23:26.21`	`Otixa_`	`Daara, do it then :D`
`23:26.32`	`nooblark`	`anyone know how to make fraps record my computer, rather than a game`
`23:26.33`	`Daara`	`the random world generator?`
`23:26.38`	`nooblark`	`so i can switch windows, and it shows?`
`23:26.45`	`Daara`	`you can get the script to do it in the unity forums`
`23:27.10`	`Daara`	`it would take some tweaking to get it like minecraft but it's the same general idea`
`23:27.34`	`Otixa_`	`nooblark, I dunno, use livestream`
`23:27.50`	`Saeris`	`http://www.ffsplit.com/ this will let you record your screen and let you stream`
`23:28.33`	`nooblark`	`i don't need to stream it :(`
`23:28.43`	`nooblark`	`i thought fraps was badass, i guess i was wrong.`
`23:29.00`	`Saeris`	`no, nooblark... it lets you do both or either`
`23:29.14`	`Saeris`	`you can use it instead of fraps to do the same thing`
`23:29.51`	`Saeris`	`same goes for this program: http://obsproject.com/`
`23:30.00`	`Otixa_`	`nooblark, you can set it up to save the recording on your drive`
`23:30.15`	`nooblark`	`it's more about the principle at this point.`
`23:30.30`	`nooblark`	`i still have xsplit installed i think`
`23:30.44`	`Saeris`	`and my point is that fraps sucks`
`23:31.04`	`nooblark`	`does fine for any games i record`
`23:31.34`	`nooblark`	`i just wanted to make a editor tuturial, but it won't recognize switching windows inside the editor, for some reason`
`23:32.28`	`Saeris`	`sounds like fraps sucks for anything but recording games`
`23:33.22`	`nooblark`	`i have another one apparently`
`23:33.26`	`nooblark`	`i'll try this one`
`23:35.01`	`iMisu`	`Waaaaaaaaaaaa`
`23:37.44`	`nooblark`	`works great`
`23:37.47`	`nooblark`	`ta`
`23:37.48`	`nooblark`	`zz`
`23:38.03`	`nooblark`	`working hard, or hardly working?`
`23:40.50`	`nooblark`	`i need a suggestion`
`23:40.55`	`nooblark`	`for a basic set of triggers`
`23:41.06`	`nooblark`	`like, create a unit, and move it type of basic`
`23:41.13`	`nooblark`	`but not that :P`
`23:41.17`	`nooblark`	`maybe i will. nvm :P`
`23:49.35`	`Triceron`	`I'm workly harding`
`23:49.59`	`Otixa_`	`I'm a ghost`
`23:52.58`	`Zolden`	`A1win: I've got an idea: to create a random melee map`
`23:53.15`	`A1win`	`:x`
`23:53.32`	`A1win`	`can't properly simulate cliff vision though?`
`23:53.41`	`A1win`	`or does vision height work with just terrain height`
`23:54.08`	`Zolden`	`well, this will require some tricking`
`23:54.19`	`Zolden`	`but still possible`

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