IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20130115

00:00.15ExakenBecause blizz wants it to
00:19.07Demousing the replace too in the editor can you use custom script for local variables and parameters?
00:19.25Demolike replacing the int 0 and replacing it with lp_cat where cat is a int para
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02:01.50TaintedwispI got irritated.... soooo http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7592581953  PART TWO!!!
02:01.52Taintedwisp::P
02:10.45nooblarkhey taint
02:13.53Taintedwisphey noob
02:19.18TaintedwispI HATE NINAS
02:19.19Taintedwisp!!!!!
02:19.21TaintedwispNIGGAS
02:19.23Taintedwisplol
02:19.27Taintedwispjust to hate...
02:19.29Taintedwispjk
02:19.30TaintedwispP
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02:57.03iMisuDaara!
03:00.18Daarahi
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07:14.53iMisudoes anyone know how to share resources between 3 players, the same value ?
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08:04.10Otixahits iMisu with a stick
08:04.48iMisu(//.-)
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09:05.44iMisuAnyone know how to do a shared resource drop off
09:07.36StrangerLike, minerals?
09:07.56StrangerSo you all return minerals to the same cc?
09:08.04StrangerOr you all get minerals when someone returns some
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09:48.09Saerisugh, i can't figure out how to use query strings the way i want to
09:48.10Saeris>.<
09:48.21Saerisdamn web development
09:49.59MasterWrathDamn it to hell.
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10:28.25OtixaSaeris, wut query?
10:28.40Saerisi got it now, i think
10:28.54OtixaI'z pretty decent at SQLz :B
10:28.56Saeriswas trying to make my page show different content based on a URL variable
10:29.02Saerislike
10:29.11OtixaREQUEST_URI
10:29.33Otixaor you mean liek get? ;p
10:29.34Otixaalso
10:29.39Otixamod_rewrite for pro
10:29.53Saerismatches.php?page=2 shows a list at page 2, but matches.php?match=2 shows information about match with id 2
10:30.08Saerisyea it's using get
10:30.09Otixaso? that's easy? :P
10:30.18Otixa1. use mod rewrite
10:30.21Saerisi've got it to show different content now
10:30.25Otixa2. write up a simple templating system
10:30.34Saerisprolly not bugproof, but it works
10:30.36Otixawhere you only ever use index.php
10:30.46Otixaalso, security
10:31.20Saerisyea this shit is all new to me, i don't quite understand how it all works quite yet
10:31.25Otixado you sanitize teh inputs? :3
10:31.56Saerisno, but i don't nescessarily need to for a proof of concept, that can be done later
10:32.14Otixahttp://www.workingwith.me.uk/articles/scripting/mod_rewrite
10:32.17OtixaHere's sum reads
10:32.37Saerisyea don't needa use mod_rewrite for this yet
10:32.49Otixabut it makes sexy ;D
10:32.53Otixaanyway
10:32.59Otixamake one static core class
10:33.03Saerisbut, prototype. it just needs to work
10:33.12Otixawhich gets the $_GET['page']
10:33.16Otixasanitizes
10:33.23Otixaand checks if the PHP file exists
10:33.32Otixathen includes the page
10:33.43Saeriswell actually
10:33.44Otixayou can do some more fancy shit with that too
10:33.49Otixaa templating system
10:33.57Otixawhere it echoes out half the page
10:34.09Otixathen turns on output buffering
10:34.13Saerisi'm using only numeric values for the Gets, and it does check for numeric
10:34.19Otixaincludes the request page
10:34.30Otixaparses, replaces etc
10:34.37Otixathen echoes out the footer
10:34.42Otixareplaces whatever shit you want
10:34.46Otixathen flushes the buffer
10:34.48Saerisand the action it does after passing the condition is call a require
10:34.56Saerisso that already checks to see if the file exists
10:34.59Otixathat way you don't need to code design into your PHPs
10:35.25Otixaand it'd be more consistent throughout
10:35.44Otixawebdev
10:35.46Otixasrs bzns
10:35.49OtixaxDD
10:36.00Saerisyup, studied it for a few years already
10:36.14Otixawas a hackthissite dev for like 4 years ;p
10:36.18Saerisi'm about 3 years behind now though
10:36.54Saerisbut even back then school thought webdev was still all html/css and templating wordpress and shit -.-
10:37.05Otixafuck that
10:37.12Otixamake your own templating system ;D
10:37.26Otixaactually
10:37.30Otixadigs around hdd
10:37.55Saeriseventually i may tackle an login system, but that's also far from nescessary for this prototype
10:38.17Otixajust make sure you actually sanitize all your shit
10:38.23OtixaOr I'll be very angry with you >:[
10:38.35Otixaand use single quites
10:38.41Otixaquotes*
10:38.44Otixaeverywhere
10:39.11Saerisusing single quites inside double quotes
10:39.22Otixaehwot
10:39.38Otixado not use double quotes unless you REALLY have to >:|
10:40.39Otixahttp://pastebin.com/UHLq5nQ1
10:40.40OtixaHere
10:40.42Otixafreebie ;p
10:40.47Saerisas in echo "<div id='header'><h1>".$title."</h1></div>";
10:41.00Otixanoe
10:41.02Otixabad
10:41.34Saerisy for?
10:41.35Otixaecho '<div id="blah">...'.$tits.'...</div>';
10:42.10Otixay for wut? :P
10:42.21Saerisy use single instead?
10:42.29Otixafaster
10:42.33OtixaLike, a lot faster
10:42.43Otixadoublequote actually parses the contents inside the quotes
10:43.01Otixalike, with double quotes, you don't need to even concat the strings
10:43.13Otixayou can just do "<div id='header'><h1>$title</h1></div>";
10:43.22Otixait parses the variable inside
10:43.41Otixaif you use single quotes for everything, you can actually speed up your code quite a bit
10:43.42Saerishmmm
10:43.56Otixathere's a slight bottleneck in echo aswell
10:44.13Otixabut unless you're going for something super optimized, it's not really worth mentioning
10:44.32Otixatho, the workaround is to open a file handle to STDOUT and flush output directly to that
10:44.35Saerisso far this is far from the optimization stage
10:44.40Otixawithout opening and closing the handle
10:44.53Saerislike, hardly even passable as something i'd show anyone
10:44.57Otixadoesn't save that much, and is annoying as hell ;p
10:45.27Otixacode code :B
10:45.40Otixahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Wy7gRGgeA
10:45.41Otixahere
10:45.42Otixa;D
10:45.59Saerisyes that is where i'm at right now =P
10:46.59Otixasoda make you fat >:|
10:48.00Saerisalso http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W_wd9Qf0IE&feature=share&list=FLObFpPkyyNuzWK6NHX7_43Q better
10:48.14Saerisstupid playlist share >.<
10:48.17Saerisbleh
10:48.18Otixa;D
10:48.25Saerisanyways, like this one much better
10:48.31OtixaI have all your porn now
10:48.59Saerisyou're gonna be disappointed =P
10:50.05Otixaalmost time to wake up gf with day9 ;D
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10:50.14Otixashe gonna be pissed >:D
10:50.15Saerisderp
10:50.32Saerisfunday monday wasn't all that entertaining this week
10:51.08Otixawas alright
10:51.24Saerishttp://youtu.be/quxmV_VIQds
10:52.10Otixa;D
10:52.17Otixahmm
10:52.19TwoDieWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
10:52.25Saerislove me some protomen
10:52.28Otixaneed to gtfo bronze league ;o
10:52.38Otixaand work on dissertation >>
10:53.11Otixagf was kind enough to practice on my account and get me from plat to bronze while I was asleep
10:53.50Saerisderp
10:54.06Otixaeh, free achievement points :B
10:54.21Saerismy gf only tolerates all my starcrafting =( can't get her to play RTS
10:54.37Saeriswill play WoW or D3 but not SC2
10:54.39Otixaneh, mine's a gamer and is studying computer games programming :D
10:55.00Otixalearning to not suck at SC2 now :P
10:55.52Saeriskinda wish my gf was more into games. her thing is film, she's a writer and a film critic
10:56.02Otixaneat ;D
10:56.15Otixabut yeah
10:56.19Otixamoar female gamers pl0x
10:56.25Otixafree kills :D
10:58.13Saerishttp://youtu.be/PSO0lCO3TIg
10:58.33Saerisbout the only thing from tumblr she's showed me that i like
11:00.21MasterWrathAnybody here ever make terrain?
11:01.26TwoDiewith triggers? Ahli does
11:01.34Ahli:D
11:02.19MasterWrathNot with triggers. >.< lol
11:02.24MasterWrathJust terrain.
11:02.50TwoDiesure most of use i guess
11:03.00TwoDiebut will triggers harder and more interesting
11:03.19MasterWrathI don't want changing terrain, though.
11:03.23Otixalike my dick
11:03.24Otixa;D
11:03.29TwoDieneed to get options menu what to include in my map generations options for players have no idea :/
11:03.31MasterWrathI just find terraining to be the most difficult part of making a map...
11:03.33MasterWrathI never get past it.
11:03.39Saerishaha
11:03.41Saerismost difficult
11:03.44Otixaterrain is easy
11:03.45Otixalol
11:03.45Saeriseasiest
11:03.47TwoDieexactly
11:03.53MasterWrathYou kidding?
11:03.57Saerisno
11:03.58MasterWrathData, triggers, that's my style
11:03.58TwoDieno?
11:04.05MasterWrathTerrain is not an exact science though :P
11:04.20MasterWrathI can never figure out how big areas should be
11:04.27MasterWrathPositioning of ramps and cliffs
11:04.28MasterWrathEtc.
11:04.34Saerisit can be, if you're trying to recreate a certain type of environment
11:04.40Otixahttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/10032576/SC2/misc/cloverdale.jpg
11:04.42OtixaProblem? :D
11:04.55Saerisas far as design, that's pretty much a science if there ever was
11:04.57MasterWrathAugh
11:04.58MasterWrathSee
11:05.01MasterWrathI could never create that lol
11:05.06Saerisi don't have the time to give a rundown on all the rules though
11:05.22MasterWrathWell, maybe you can help me out with my concept
11:05.23OtixaLevel design IS a science
11:05.26Otixasmacks Saeris
11:05.31MasterWrathGame with two modes, 12 player FFA or 3v3v3v3
11:05.44MasterWrathAnd these players are all supposed to spawn in one central area
11:06.11MasterWrathAnd surrounding this spawn area is
11:06.20MasterWrathEntrances to different areas of jungle/forest
11:07.21MasterWrathIt's supposed to be symmetrical too
11:08.05Otixaeats Saeris' leg
11:08.05MasterWrathAnd they do battle, level up, get equipment drops, etc.
11:08.21OtixaLingLing do battle?
11:08.21Saerisdo 1/4th of the map, copy paste it using the rotation tools
11:08.41MasterWrathIt's kind of meant to be like
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11:08.46MasterWrathThe movie Battle Royale
11:09.02MasterWrathJapanese movie, anybody seen it?
11:09.25MasterWrathHunger Games is also an acceptable albeit... Less desirable comparison.
11:09.28Otixahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2ASM6Om2nc
11:09.29Otixa:D
11:10.11MasterWrathCan you copy/paste terrain?
11:10.14MasterWrathLike cliffs and height?
11:10.17Saerisyes
11:11.14MasterWrathThe style is kinda gonna be
11:11.15Saerispress space and you can area select a chunk of terrain, can then copy and paste it somewhere else, and there are tools under the edit menu to rotate it
11:11.23MasterWrathArcturus Mengsk captures the players
11:11.28MasterWrathAnd puts them in this arena to do battle
11:11.31MasterWrathTo be made an example of
11:12.00MasterWrathSo the central spawn area will be dominion themed but
11:12.03Zoldenarcturus motherfuckngsk
11:12.13MasterWrathOutside of that the arena has a variety of terrain
11:12.22MasterWrathMountainous areas, forrests
11:12.30Otixamornin Zolden ;p
11:12.48Saerissounds like you already have plenty of an idea to go off of
11:12.57Saerisstart playing around in the terrain editor
11:13.00ZoldenOtixa: hey
11:13.14Zoldenthanx for theory
11:13.22Zoldenmay help leruster to understand how to fix
11:13.23MasterWrathI have lots of ideas, I am just REALLY bad lol
11:13.29Saerisblock out some cliffs, test your spacing, then once you're happy with that, start texturing and placing doodads
11:13.35Zoldenbut he's still not respondend
11:13.39Saerisyou aren't going to get better at it without practicing
11:14.16MasterWrathOkay
11:14.20Saerisalso having a wacom tablet really fucking helps for texturing, but if you don't have one of those, you're SOL
11:14.31ZoldenOtixa: have you finished tower/forge stuff?
11:14.44Otixauhh, nope
11:14.46Otixawas busy
11:14.52Zoldensame :)
11:15.04MasterWrathDo you do all your terrain then add doodads or
11:15.05Otixamaking weird shaders for my dissertation ;/
11:15.07MasterWrathDo you do a mix
11:15.29Saeriscliffs first, then doodads, then textures
11:15.41Zoldenmake a shader that makes everything look made of boobs
11:15.51MasterWrathlol
11:15.56Saeriscliffs affect pathing the most, doodads less so, textures only enhances the art aspect of it
11:16.04MasterWrathRight, makes sense
11:16.27MasterWrathWhat do you guys think of 12 people all spawning in the middle
11:16.35MasterWrathAre they all just gonna fight to the death right away or
11:16.38Saerispainted pathing from the pathing layer should be avoided unless absolutely nescessary
11:16.40MasterWrathDo you think they'll move out across the map
11:16.52Saerisprobably
11:16.59Saerisand it will be too confusing
11:17.00MasterWrathWhich?
11:17.19MasterWrathThey'll all just fight?
11:17.30MasterWrathI guess it throws them into it a little quickly..
11:17.42Saerisif it's a game that pits the players against each other, what is there to tell them and to make them move out rather than fight?
11:17.55OtixaZolden, replied to your thread btw
11:18.34Saerisunless you force them apart at the begining, don't ever assume players are going to do what you want them to on their own
11:18.44MasterWrathYeah... Hmm.
11:19.03Saeristhat in mind, plan something less prone to user error
11:19.23MasterWrathProbably just have them spawn at different corners of the map...
11:19.38OtixaOR MAKE THE GROUND START BURNING AT THE SPAWN
11:19.40MasterWrathThe way I plan on keeping it interesting is by having a lot of events
11:19.43ZoldenOtixa: yea, cool
11:19.54MasterWrathThat's an idea I had in a different way
11:20.01MasterWrathWell, not really an idea I had
11:20.08MasterWrathBut that happens in the <sigh> fucking Hunger Games
11:20.13MasterWrathlol
11:20.20Saeriseven then
11:20.24Saerisplayer enters game
11:20.27Saerisspawns in center
11:20.31Saeriscenter is on fire!
11:20.33Saeriswtf i died
11:20.39MasterWrathlol
11:20.39Saeristhis game sucks
11:20.39MasterWrathYeah
11:20.44MasterWrathThey are looking at their abilities
11:20.45Otixalol
11:20.47MasterWrathAnd die to the fire
11:20.57Saerisor
11:21.01Saerisstart game, spawn in center
11:21.05Saeriscenter is on fire!
11:21.06Saerishey
11:21.14Saerisrun where all those guys are running! they must know something
11:21.18Saeristhey kill me
11:21.19Saerisfuck
11:21.21Saeristhis
11:21.22Saerisgame
11:21.27MasterWrathlol
11:21.33OtixaXD
11:21.38MasterWrathWell, they would have spawned on different sides of the center
11:21.43MasterWrathAbout 24 units apart
11:21.51MasterWrathWell, 24 unit diameter
11:22.03MasterWrathBut I think I'm gonna scratch that idea
11:22.06MasterWrathYou guys are right
11:22.28Saeriseither way, you need to put yourself in the perspective of the player and assume you know nothing about what you are supposed to do
11:22.37OtixaWell
11:22.38MasterWrathOkay, I just wanna watch some damn Game of Thrones
11:22.41OtixaWhile Saeris is correct
11:22.42Saerisand try to figure out what clues are there that tell you what you should be doing
11:22.46MasterWrathBut my HBO GO will only render at like 240p
11:22.47OtixaThat's not exactly quite right
11:23.03OtixaThere's a whole shience behind making players do what you want them to
11:23.09OtixaBut it's a long fucking story
11:23.17OtixaAnd I'm not giving you tards a free lecture ;p
11:23.20MasterWrathlol
11:23.25MasterWrathNo, please do! XD
11:23.32OtixaBesides, Xara is better at this shit than me
11:23.48OtixaMaybe I can just link you the lectures we had at uni ;p
11:23.53Otixalemme check if they're still up
11:23.55MasterWrathI'm just a lowly Comp Sci major, not some highborn Game Design major! :(
11:24.02MasterWrath:P
11:24.04Saerisi needa get back to coding, i could go on about this shit for days but i don't have the time to
11:24.14OtixaGame Design And Programming ;)
11:24.17MasterWrathWell thanks for the help anyways Saeris!
11:24.22OtixaIt's like hardmode university
11:24.24Saeris<-self taught
11:24.30Saerisfuck all yall
11:24.31MasterWrathSounds like it..
11:24.41Saerisand yea np
11:24.45MasterWrathI only became Comp Sci in my fifth quarter so...
11:24.49MasterWrathDon't really have the time for much else.
11:25.00OtixaLast semester: Make iOS scene, Make a functioning 3D Game Engine with 2D support, multiple cameras, 3D sound yadda yadda physics etc + game demos for it
11:25.04OtixaThen other shit ;p
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11:25.16MasterWrathFuuuck that sounds tough
11:25.22zenxumuahahha
11:25.28zenxumy game goes beyon the limits
11:25.32zenxunow it has double jump function
11:25.33OtixaManaged tho :3
11:25.38MasterWrathOh god
11:25.42Saeriscolleges need a freshman level class eveyone is required to take
11:25.42MasterWrathWhy
11:25.48SaerisGoogle 101
11:25.54MasterWrathlol
11:25.54Saerislearn to search for shit
11:26.17Saerisprolly afraid that too many people will drop out of school after discovering all the shit they can learn
11:26.19MasterWrathI wish moreso that there were more opportunities to start learning computer science in high school
11:26.25MasterWrathLike a basic java class
11:26.41MasterWrathFucking HBO Go
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11:26.51zenxuthere are good youtube tutorials for java
11:26.59zenxuone was soo good I almost have my own game now
11:27.04zenxu(very simple game thou)
11:27.18MasterWrathSo far what I have learned
11:27.27MasterWrathHas been very limited in terms of input/output unfortunately
11:27.33Saerishttp://www.youtube.com/course?list=EC6B940F08B9773B9F
11:27.38MasterWrathThe only actual game we made was text based
11:27.41Saeristhere's your college comp sci course
11:28.36zenxuany idea if I can put game with java into flash?
11:28.40MasterWrathHBO Go at like 240p is making my eyes water
11:28.41zenxuwould be sorta nice to do that
11:28.45MasterWrathDoes not belong on my monitor
11:28.47Otixathey removed the old lectures =/
11:29.17zenxuI would like my game to be other format than applet or whatever it is its gona compile to
11:29.34zenxu( dont actually know how to compile it to single file yet)
11:30.18Otixazenxu, dafuq you making?
11:30.27zenxugames bitch
11:30.29Otixaalso, is it in java? ¬_¬
11:30.33zenxuyes
11:30.35OtixaGTFO
11:31.03OtixaWhy do people code in java? Why?! >:C
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11:31.16Otixahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JZnj4eNHXE
11:31.19OtixaIs it this?
11:31.22zenxuits good to start with
11:31.32zenxuI might switch to C once I got my first game done
11:31.43OtixaNo, it's a terrible and bloated piece of shit >:|
11:31.52OtixaIf you wanna use a bloated piece of shit
11:31.55OtixaAt least use XNA
11:32.07zenxuwtf is that
11:32.10zenxusounds something nobody uses
11:32.14Saerislol
11:32.14Otixa... ;\
11:32.19Otixadouble facepalms
11:32.26Saerismicrosoft's framework for XBLA development
11:32.36Saerisactually extremely widely used
11:32.47OtixaMicrosoft's .NET library specifically created for gamedev for Windoze, Xbox and Winzode Phone
11:32.54OtixaSaeris, not just XBLA :P
11:33.11OtixaI did my game engine in that
11:33.13Saerisotixa you expected anything less from a non-programmer?
11:33.14OtixaIt's not too bad
11:33.21OtixaActually creates a nice abstraction layer for you
11:33.32Otixapats Saeris on the head
11:33.37OtixaIt's okay, I still love you :P
11:33.42Saerisi know you do
11:34.04zenxuI actualyl have windows phone
11:34.05Saerisanyways, would rather work with XNA than Java
11:34.09Saerisnot a huge fan of oracle
11:34.11zenxuwould be sort of nice to make games for phone
11:34.11OtixaOnly think I like about java is the ladyjava song ;p
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11:34.22Otixazenxu, go pick it up then
11:34.27OtixaIt's pretty straightforward
11:34.33OtixaAnd easier to work with than java
11:34.43zenxuiPhone market would be nicer
11:34.47OtixaI made my game demo for the engine in like 2 hours :P
11:34.49zenxubut dont have iPhone
11:34.59Saerisiphone development costs money
11:35.08OtixaAny development costs money
11:35.20zenxujava development doesnt
11:35.21zenxu:(
11:35.26Saerislike, $100 xcode license to test your code on your phone
11:35.30Saerisor some shit
11:35.38OtixaM$ have that too
11:35.45OtixaBut if you're a student, you get in free
11:35.45zenxuyou cannot even test that shit without paying lol?
11:35.54Saerisnope
11:35.58OtixaAnd M$ provide an emulator in the IDE
11:36.04Saerisand apple doesn't even discount for students >.>
11:36.07OtixaSo you don't have to fuck with your phone all day
11:36.24Saerisbastards charge you an arm and a leg every step of the way
11:36.34OtixaThat's apple for ya ;p
11:36.37zenxumaybe Ill stick to my java then
11:36.43OtixaHate that company with all my might >;/
11:36.45Saerisnaw man
11:36.47Saerisweb apps
11:36.51Saeris100% free
11:36.52zenxuI would like to make flash games, how da fuck people do that?
11:36.54Otixazenxu, switch to C# & XNA tbh
11:37.11OtixaFuck flash games ;p
11:37.16zenxuthey are cool
11:37.19Saerisno not flash
11:37.30OtixaMaking actual games is cooler :D
11:37.33Saerishaven't your heard about html5/javascript?
11:37.38Otixaoh yeah
11:37.41zenxuI have
11:37.41OtixaWebGL!
11:37.44zenxubut dunno what they are
11:37.45Saerisno need for fucking flash
11:37.54OtixaSaeris, it's still very beta tho ;\
11:38.09Saerisi don't know about that
11:38.12zenxuIt would be just sweet to get somekind of game on web
11:38.16Saerisfucking can get angry birds for chome ffs
11:38.26Otixazenxu, silverlight tbh
11:38.30zenxulike go to browser and play
11:38.35MasterWrathFINALLY
11:38.36Saerisno, otixa
11:38.37MasterWrathIt's HD
11:38.37Otixaeven tho it's still not as widely adapted
11:38.45Saerismicrosoft stopped development on silverlight
11:38.53Otixathey did? ;o
11:38.53Saerisiirc
11:39.09Saerisit's even less supported than flash
11:39.22zenxuwhats javascript and javaEE?
11:39.24Saerishtml5/javascript is supported by all modern browsers now
11:39.29zenxuIv seen those terms but dunno what they are
11:39.55Saerisjavascript != java
11:39.56Otixajava embedded environment
11:40.00Otixaso for mobile systems
11:40.02Saeriscompletely different languages
11:40.03Otixaalso ^
11:40.17zenxuwhats javascript then?
11:40.20Saerisjavascript == ecmascript
11:40.30zenxuda fuc :D
11:40.32Saerisit's a client side scripting language
11:40.38zenxui c
11:40.39Saerisfor web browswers
11:40.40Otixajavascript is the shit that makes websites all buggy
11:40.45MasterWrathSo
11:40.46Saerisand now other systems too apprently
11:40.56Ahli"javascript is the shit that makes websites all buggy" so true :D
11:40.58MasterWrathDid you guys know you can move the default interface using triggers now? :D
11:41.18Saeriszenxu, basically
11:41.32AhliI know and use it :o
11:41.32Saerisyou use javascript to manipulate HTML DOM elements
11:41.41MasterWrathI love it
11:41.41Saerisand in the case of HTML5, the canvas element
11:41.47MasterWrathI made a troll test map where
11:41.52Saeriswhich allows you to draw shit
11:41.57MasterWrathThe minimap follows everyones' mouses around so they cannot click anything
11:42.00MasterWrathlol
11:42.14zenxuI guess I should dig around a bit what I wana learn next
11:42.17Ahlion wol there is a bug with minimap on the center of the screen
11:42.25Ahliyou cannot leave mousewheel button mode
11:42.38Ahlifixed in hots, though
11:42.42MasterWrathHmm...
11:42.43MasterWrathStrange.
11:42.45Saerisif you needa store info and shirt server side, you can use PHP and MySQL to handle that stuff
11:43.01MasterWrathI had to make an entire interface flip at the click of a button
11:43.04zenxuI dont even know how to handle databases yet
11:43.07MasterWrathUnit info and minimap switching sides
11:44.46Saerisi learned how to work with PHP and MySQL in the last 2-3 Months
11:44.54Saerisit iusn't hard if you understand programming concepts
11:45.17Saerishere, tutorial on making an html5 game http://gamedev.tutsplus.com/tutorials/from-scratch/build-a-canabalt-style-infinite-runner-from-scratch/
11:45.41Saeriser, 1 sec
11:45.43Saerismight be wrong
11:45.53Saerisyea that's flash nvm
11:46.05Saerissearch for html 5 and get a flash tutorial -.-
11:47.25zenxuhaha thats where its at lol
11:47.25zenxu:D
11:48.12Saerisanyways, javascript is good to know for game programming anyways
11:48.18MasterWrathOh god... That awkward scene where Renly tries to be straight..
11:48.30Saerisit's being used in various engines these days as a scripting language
11:48.50Saerisand iirc, flash's actionscript is based on javascript
11:49.17Saerishttp://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/build-your-first-game-with-html5/
11:49.18Saerisbam
11:51.04zenxuthx
11:51.09zenxuI might check it out later
11:51.46zenxuanoying when my collision detection bugs out sometimes
11:51.48Saerisit's like, barebones as fuck, but, it's a game
11:51.51zenxucannot figure out why
11:53.19Saerisnot that i could ever figure out how to do it on my own, but, i'm pretty sure someone could make a MtG Online clone in the browser
11:54.26Saeriswould probably run a lot better than that game too. last i checked MtGO is built on visual basic of all languages
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12:51.28Ahlihmm, how can I check that a unit has vision of the point of an invisible unit?
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13:13.02Ahliomg, otixa is on bnet
13:13.14Otixaderp ;p
13:13.38AhliI can't really test my AI in editor because I don't want to screw around with the slots
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13:28.15TwoDieOtixa Zolden any news about your models?
13:29.10Zoldenyea
13:29.22Zoldenlots of news
13:29.40Zoldenthe whole newsorium of news
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14:53.52zenxuduckies: my game is almsot done muahaha
14:53.59zenxuI got now starting screen
14:54.09zenxuand moving background
14:54.15zenxuand all the basic stuff
14:55.16duckiesI wouldn't go as far as to say that it's amlost done after you've only done basick gameplay functions :>
14:55.30zenxuits not gona be complex game
14:55.40zenxuits all about jumping :D
14:55.40duckiesgo make levels that are fun and interesting to play! =D
14:56.24zenxuI think I might switch to other language after this game is done
14:56.27zenxuso its gona be basic
14:56.51duckiesI see :3
14:57.50zenxuI would like to make more complex platformer thou
14:58.07zenxujust probly wiser to learn something more suitable for the purpose
14:58.10duckiesstill, I'd rather have you at least do a few exciting stages..
14:58.50duckiesaand ideas for more complex stuff will come when you experiment with your basick gameplay =D
14:59.32zenxugah so anoying
14:59.38zenxustill my collision detecton aint perfect
14:59.51zenxuyou can just barely hang around in the edge of platform when you shouldng be ablwe
15:00.02zenxusuch a small thing but I guess I need to fix it
15:06.22duckiesyes you better do that >:D
15:06.37zenxuI still think its pretty cool
15:06.39zenxuit has double jump too
15:06.51zenxuwas thinking of adding wall jump, but currently it wouldnt really have a purpose
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15:12.15duckiesadd a gravity shift, it would probably have no purpose too, but it's fun :D
15:12.42zenxunow I just need to build the level pretty much
15:12.53zenxuand it should be done
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15:13.40Saerisi really hope this Gateway Down error in the beta gets solved today >.<
15:13.47Saeriscan't publish my maps
15:18.27Ahliso, let's see if I can integrate builds into a hero AI :D
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16:27.50Exaken.
16:28.00td2!
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16:32.01td2anyone here?!?
16:32.35td2is it possible to add tooltip to pulldown text item dialog item
16:34.57Ahlidid you try it?
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16:35.18td2well it adds to Pulldown itself
16:35.25AhliI guess no because these aren't dialog items itself :D
16:35.28td2and not text item in it
16:35.39Ahlithen I think it's not possible
16:35.54td2thats kinda a disappointment then
16:36.08Ahliyou could code your own pulldown though... :D
16:36.18Cheekythingi was about to sa the same thing :P
16:37.10td2i could if i wasnt enough lazy for that
16:40.45Zoldenjust add a pultip to tooldown
16:41.40td2Zolden high?
16:42.19Dustin|WorkI wish I was high
16:42.23Dustin|WorkStupid work
16:49.04Zolden:))
16:49.07Zoldenu know waht to do
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16:54.57iMisuAnyone have an idea how to share 3 people supply as 1 pool?
16:55.23Exakencreate dummy units offmap for the other players?
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17:00.15Zoldencreating units may cause lag if it's alot of units
17:00.44td2yeah if its like 2000
17:00.45iMisuWill be about 300 units for each player
17:00.53iMisu300x6
17:01.02nooblarkmisu, you want 1 unit to count for 3 all three players?
17:01.02Zoldenwill lag
17:01.08Zoldenbetter try to find a proper way
17:01.08iMisuYes
17:01.15nooblarki'll check into it
17:01.40iMisume and zolden working on a map... and all i can say is OMFG LAG
17:02.09Zoldenlol, iMisu why are everyboty so helpful towards you, I need to create a fake account full of chick photos too to make everyone to help me
17:02.33iMisuAfter you do that, come on ventrilo and talk to everyone.
17:02.37nooblarkwhy do you say that?
17:02.40iMisuOh.... That wont help you lol
17:02.47nooblarki just looked at mirc and saw someone with  question
17:03.03iMisuZolden is just jealous.
17:03.09Zoldenyes!
17:03.14iMisuHis g/f cant make maps.
17:03.40Zoldenu're the only girl in the world who can
17:03.45nooblarkcan i ask what type of map it is?
17:04.02Ahliuse 1 unit per player and change supply via catalog?
17:04.03iMisuits going to be team task force kinda map
17:04.06Zoldenit's "let everybody make the map for me" kind of map
17:04.22iMisuwell say for example
17:04.23ZoldenAhli: nice idea
17:04.31iMisu3 people are building units
17:04.33iMisuand defending
17:04.38iMisuvs mobs that attack
17:04.46iMisui dont want the units that players 1-3 build
17:04.53iMisuexceed over 300 supply count
17:04.56nooblarkunless there is a way to manipulate the data editor in such a way, or a trigger, you may need to just create a global var and use that as supply count
17:05.14nooblarkcollectively though
17:05.24iMisuI need people to beable to view the supply count as the default count in the top right
17:05.27nooblarkso player 1 makes 50, player 2 makes 150, and player 3 makes 100.
17:05.32ZoldeniMisu: none of units will have any supply, but each player will have 1 dummy unit, and you will set its unit depot value via catalog on unit birth/death
17:05.56A1winsupply is added when training starts, not on birth
17:06.03Zoldenright
17:06.04Ahlifirst I would try to alter the player property, if that doesn't work, dummy unit with catalog changes in the player's catalog. if that doesn't work, something else
17:06.23iMisuThe least laggy way is super important
17:06.28iMisuLag could kill a player easillyt
17:06.47Ahlithat would be a way with the least amount of units
17:06.50A1winíf you can change the supply used with catalogs, it should be very lagless
17:07.26nooblarkso why don't you make a global, and when the unit is in production, add to the variable how many supplies it should consume
17:07.39nooblarkand when global = 300 disable unit production
17:07.49nooblarkor instead of disable unit production, do something else
17:08.12A1winthat would require customizing the supply UI too
17:08.16iMisuwhat else would be done thats better than unit production
17:08.22Zoldennooblark: the dummy unit idea Ahli suggested will work the same, but like it's normal supply
17:08.23Ahliso, we have like 5 solution ideas now... something must work :D
17:08.42td2How to set Pulldown any List item would already set in it?
17:08.52Zoldeni like the 1 unit + catalog change one
17:09.03Ahliselect list item 1?
17:09.28Ahliselecting a list item via trigger starts the event, though... something I hate
17:10.19td2well that at least wont happen to me thanks!!!!!!!!!!
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17:13.09td2Ahli how to detect the List item select in the pulldown?
17:13.35Ahlithe dialog item thing has selected then
17:13.51td2then what?
17:15.21td2how about conditions and the values i will want to set to
17:16.40iMisuOkay, I have made this
17:16.44iMisuWill this lag ?
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17:17.22td2use http://pastebin.com
17:19.33nooblarkmisu that was exactly what i was about to tell you to do
17:19.58nooblarkjust make it so player 1, 2, 3 all have supplies that change when someone else makes/loses a unit
17:20.17iMisuhttp://pastebin.com/t5BbCG9X
17:21.13iMisuDo I create another one for supplies made?
17:22.15nooblarkthat looks good
17:22.32nooblarkit should account for supplies used when a unit is made, or when the supplies change from a unit dying
17:22.53nooblarkand just make sure you increase max supplies for all players to 300
17:23.05nooblarkso they aren't at 265/200
17:25.17iMisui dont have to create one for supplies made?>
17:25.50nooblarki don't think so
17:25.55nooblarkoh wait
17:25.56nooblarkyeahh
17:26.03iMisuOkay thought so lol
17:26.04nooblarkwait
17:26.06nooblarklet me look at it
17:26.14iMisuthere is supplies limit
17:26.16iMisusupplies made
17:26.18iMisuand suppplies used
17:26.19nooblarki was interpreting supplies used as sopply count
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17:27.08nooblarkhonestly i have no idea what the difference is between supplies made and supplies used
17:27.18iMisusupplies used, unit made
17:27.25iMisusupplies made, = pylon
17:27.39iMisu?
17:27.47nooblarksupplies 'used' should refer to any supply used, whether unit is created or destoryed
17:27.56nooblarkin my own logic, anyway
17:28.27nooblarkoh
17:28.28nooblarki got it
17:28.29nooblarklol
17:28.38nooblarksupplies used is how many out of maximum
17:28.47nooblarksupplies made is how many a certain person made
17:29.18td2[19:28] <nooblark> supplies made is how many a certain person made can be at the time
17:29.24iMisuso this is okay ?
17:29.30nooblarkso if you create a unit, you are both increasing used supplies (marine will add +1), and since you are the maker, you add +1 to made
17:29.37nooblarkused should be okay
17:29.44iMisuokay.
17:29.58nooblarkif you were doing something with counting how many supplies one person made versus another, i think you use 'made'
17:30.19iMisuhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l77KYMhULzc
17:30.28iMisuOkay. Thanks., I am going to try it
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17:32.45nooblarklol that was funny
17:33.09iMisuLol
17:33.46iMisuLOL - If you dont listen to me then your do'in it wrong.. ARGHHH Imma gonna tell my mom... LOL
17:36.57iMisuSomethign seems wrong with the supply
17:36.58nooblarkyah lol
17:37.02nooblarksuch as?
17:37.03iMisuI put some units down for each player.
17:37.09nooblarki just did a little test
17:37.10iMisuAnd it amounted to 12...
17:37.17iMisuAnd... There is more than 12 down total
17:37.22nooblarkwell
17:37.31nooblarkthe trigger only happens when supplies change
17:37.34nooblarkso killa unit in game
17:37.37nooblarkand i bet it goes up
17:37.38nooblarklol
17:37.51td2you set one players that change the value of supply and doesnt care about other players supply
17:39.02iMisuIt seems like only some of the units are counting
17:39.22nooblarkmaybe only units on the player you're using?
17:40.12iMisuI killed 4 of my teamates units
17:40.16iMisuand i got down to zero supply
17:40.21iMisuI killed player 2 units
17:40.24iMisuand went back up to 8 supply
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17:40.31iMisukilled all those and some how at 0 supply
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17:40.51nooblarkeven though you control units
17:40.55iMisuYes
17:41.04nooblarkoh
17:41.06nooblarkderrrrp
17:41.08nooblarkwe both derped
17:41.28nooblarksupplies used = picked players supplies + triggering players supplies
17:41.50nooblarkby setting it
17:42.13nooblarkif you kill player's 2 unit (he has 8), the trigger goes off and makes your suppluies = to his new one, 7.
17:42.36nooblarkby killing a different player, with more or less units than the previous one, it keeps rollercoastering it
17:42.48iMisuOkay so this wont work
17:42.51iMisuIt works for minerals though
17:42.57iMisuWhy does it work for minerals, and not supply
17:43.18iMisu>.<
17:43.21iMisuMinerals changes
17:43.23iMisubleh
17:43.31nooblarkwhat won't work?
17:43.40iMisuthere is no supplies changes
17:43.59nooblarkbecause they are zero?
17:44.22iMisuI have the same trigger im using for minerals
17:44.26iMisutrying to use it for supplies
17:44.36iMisuit works for minerals, but not supplies
17:45.42nooblarkyah
17:46.53nooblarklol sec i need to update to connect
17:48.06nooblarkbtw i figured out the property changes
17:48.24nooblarkused = current, made = current max, limit = made's max
17:58.21zenxugah
17:58.28zenxudoublebuffering needed T_T
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18:01.07iMisuWhat would you guys call a map that has 3 players that play as 1 player ???
18:01.11iMisuWhat is that classified as.
18:01.19ErikITeam melee
18:01.24ErikIif it's melee
18:02.41nooblarktotally team melee
18:02.54Zoldenallied assrapement
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18:03.21nooblarkmaybe shared team melee
18:03.34Dustin|WorkI WANT TEAM MELEE
18:03.37duckiesbase.. management .. co-op? :D
18:03.38iMisuTrying to find examples or help on sc2map
18:03.42mille25The trigger module should no longer stall for long periods of time when adding or removing actions.
18:03.46mille25THANK GOD!
18:03.46Dustin|WorkShould be a default game mode like SC1 damnit
18:03.48iMisuand NO ONE has created a perfect version
18:03.57iMisuSo I am trying to make one lol
18:04.11Dustin|WorkI was thinking about it
18:04.22iMisuWell I am doing it right now
18:04.26iMisuBut huge issues with supply
18:04.27Zoldenmille25: yea
18:04.48Dustin|Workimisu
18:04.56Dustin|WorkYou're going to have to think about it differently
18:04.58iMisuYes sir.
18:05.02zenxuduckies: build my level now
18:05.12zenxuits around 10-20 seconds long to play trought it
18:05.32duckiesthat.. is not much :D
18:05.33zenxujust need to figure out if I can fix issue with graphics fliggering
18:05.41zenxuindeed
18:05.42zenxushort game
18:05.49zenxubut still awesome
18:05.56duckiesbut you can make it longer
18:06.00duckiesyou're just lazy :>
18:06.03zenxuI could
18:06.03Dustin|WorkLike have player as the Main Player for that team, then just force the other teammates to have shared/control with that player
18:06.04Zoldenduckies: I have an idea for you
18:06.11iMisuDoesnt work
18:06.14iMisuI have minerals and gas fixed
18:06.21iMisuI have to do something for research and supplies
18:06.24duckiesI wonder what that could be.. >.>
18:06.34Zoldenduckies: call your map booblisk instead of bubblisk, and let it use boobs instead of bubbles
18:07.08duckiesso, you'd capture things.. in boobs..  interesting idea..
18:07.17Zoldenyea
18:07.54duckiesmaybe some other lifetime
18:07.56duckies:3
18:08.21Zolden`=      <--- duck
18:08.35Zolden'=
18:09.12Zolden'= –––{QUACK}
18:09.23Zoldenno
18:09.27Zolden'< –––{QUACK}
18:09.28Monkalizeris there some way to make dialogs render underneath the game UI?
18:09.30Zolden'=
18:09.36Zolden'< –––{QUACK}
18:09.39Zolden'=
18:09.44Zolden'< –––{QUACK}
18:09.46duckieshaha.. that is amazing! you never end to surprise me zolden xD
18:09.52Monkalizeri have a speech bubble that does some wierd looking clipping
18:09.55Zolden:))
18:10.14Dustin|WorkThat took me a minute to understand what you were doing zolden lol
18:10.15mille25Monkalizer: im not sure actually. ill take a look in a sec.
18:10.30ZoldenDustin|Work: because u ain't high
18:10.38Monkalizerthere is the render priority, but it does not seem to make any difference
18:10.44Dustin|WorkYeah :(
18:10.47mille25Monkalizer: im not sure if you can change the render priority/type of dialogs, but it might work by using a dialog item as background and changing its render priority, but cant tell.
18:11.15A1winMonkalizer, you can get the game UI as a dialog with the hook up functions, maybe you'd be able to set their render priority that way
18:11.19Monkalizerits not possible to adjust dialogs render priority
18:11.27Monkalizerhm.
18:11.45Dustin|WorkYa i think they are hardcoded as higher render priority than the default UI
18:12.11Monkalizerhttp://snag.gy/bQwtj.jpg
18:13.24A1winor you could add frames to the default UI with the layout file and then hookup those frames as dialogs to use
18:14.16Monkalizeroh well, its no big deal, looks a bit funky, thats all
18:14.47A1winthat kind of stuff give a bad first impression ;x
18:15.14A1win"hasn't even bothered to fix simple stuff like this"
18:15.16Monkalizeri'l mostly use it to give hints & tooltips
18:15.39Monkalizerwhen the units are talking to each other i can hide the ui :P
18:16.18A1winwouldn't be very useful text if it was hidden under the UI anyway
18:16.24Dustin|Work^
18:17.01A1winand if the speech bubble is too large for the text, you should definitely fix that somehow :x
18:17.22A1win...which might be difficult since we can't get text size values
18:19.04Monkalizerwell, you send in some text and width/height info, as well as pointer length
18:19.27Monkalizeri guess its not generic enough to calculate the size to fit, but i wont use it that much
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18:29.00Ahli"Fixed an issue preventing some custom minimap icons from displaying properly in Arcade games." that was for dogmai :D
18:30.04Dogmailink?
18:31.58mille25hey, does anyone know if there is any way to view a units attachment points?
18:32.15mille25i dont want to launch the game everytime just to see if it now finally works. D:
18:32.19Dogmaioh
18:32.22Dogmaithere s a new patch
18:32.28Dogmaithey are good to me
18:32.30Dogmaireally good
18:32.33DogmaiT_T
18:33.10mille25yeah its a great patch. just a little bit too late. :D
18:33.45mille25hey Dogmai, do you have a minute for a private chat?
18:33.46Dogmaii didnt expect it to come before hots
18:33.52Dogmaispam me mille
18:34.01Ahlihttp://www.staredit.net/344294/
18:34.09mille25yeah me neither, thought its delayed till hots pre patch
18:35.55AhliI would have wanted hots prepatch now instead :D
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18:44.09BommesThere is a new patch?
18:44.22Bommesbut just WoL?
18:45.35asdf2but just US?
18:46.01mille25yet
18:46.06mille25:)
18:46.35Zoldenblizzard need to patch itself to newer version
18:47.10Blizz-DeletariusStephano is playing some custom games on the KR server :)
18:47.22asdf2Zolden wtf?!!? where is your castle!?!?!?
18:47.32Zoldenasdf2: it in the process
18:47.48Zoldenjust finished unwrap
18:47.49asdf2any screens with newest polygons?
18:47.57Zoldennow texturing
18:48.05Zoldenit look the same
18:48.42Shawn|RawrZolden, they patched themselves a while ago. Activision-Blizzard
18:48.47Zoldenhttp://snag.gy/1j2Tm.jpg
18:48.50Ahliis there a way to check if a unit can see a point? it's for making a custom AI not cheat by casting scan if it can't see the cloaked unit...
18:48.55Zolden:)
18:49.21Ahliand no, I don't want to create a dummy unit at the point and try to check if it can see the point then
18:49.23Ahli*the unit
18:50.10asdf2Zolden the the round tower to nearest view point had to had similar hols like on the wall next to that tower
18:50.14asdf2anyways
18:50.41Zoldenit will have
18:50.45Zoldenafter texturing
18:50.51Zoldennormals will add one
18:51.01AhliI think I should start to use custom script for my build orders... I fear they become huge :S
18:51.29ZoldenAhli: even huge custom scrips loo clear
18:51.51Ahlivisually huge in the editor
18:52.22Zoldennicely structurised ones doesn't care about being huge
18:52.25Ahliwith if then else stuff. then if that was successfully done I need to raise a variable... in custom script I could write 1 line per build aspect
18:53.40Zoldenyea, you can make the whole script to be 1 string, since it doesn't care about enter signs
18:54.25mille25hey Blizz-Deletarius, do you know if there is any way to view a units attachment points? i dont want to launch the game everytime just to see if it now finally works. D:
18:54.27TwoDiewas just about to write a message to him :/
18:54.40Zoldenlol
18:54.40Dogmaihey mille25
18:54.40mille25argh :D
18:54.42Dogmaiforever alone
18:54.47Zolden:)
18:55.04Ahlithe attachment points are in the cutscene editor, but not attached things
18:55.08mille25i guess he saw that coming :D
18:55.22mille25where exactly, Ahli ? already looked for it there.
18:55.25AhliA
18:55.29Ahlito see them
18:55.34Ahliselect model in bot left edge
18:55.36Ahliof screen
18:55.41Ahliand press shift + D
18:55.47Ahlito open model details
18:57.14mille25is it those little pyramids?
18:57.53mille25oh yeah wow
18:57.55mille25cool thanks :)
18:58.04mille25this will save me alot of time.
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19:04.11Dogmaimille
19:04.17Dogmaimost of the questions people ask blizzard
19:04.22Dogmaican be answered by other people here
19:04.40Dogmaiyou never see me ask questions because if I can't figure something out on my own, then chances are its a bug or not yet implemented
19:04.49Dogmaihence why i ask blizz for things
19:05.02DogmaiIm not having a go at you, i still love you <3
19:05.04Dogmaijust saying :)
19:07.28mille25well, i did ask here before but nobody replied. since dele worked on the cinematic editor chances are high he knows how to view attachment points within it.
19:08.06Dogmaino
19:08.07ExakenDidn´t Artestru work cinematics?
19:08.08Dogmaithats artestru
19:08.20Dogmaidele is icons >_<
19:08.33Dogmai~slap mille25
19:08.33purlACTION slaps mille25, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
19:08.40mille25isnt dele some sort of general ui guy?
19:11.49AhliI was on phone, I had no time to respond earlier :S
19:12.27mille25:'(
19:15.52AhliI answred your question, now answer mine :D
19:16.49mille25whats your question? xD
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19:19.21ZoldenTwoDie: can't find a nice castle wall texture
19:19.48ZoldenOtixa: haven't u created a texture?
19:19.49TwoDieuse whatever in future we may improve it
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19:30.26JohnnyZergif I reduce the size of everything (models, units, build, map) of 25%, the game can REMAIN unchanged? I have problems with the building? can take advantage of construction 0.5x0.5? helpme
19:30.58JohnnyZergif this is possible then I can add more maps at one
19:31.21Ahlimille25: Is there a way to check if a unit can see a point? it's for making a custom AI not cheat by casting scan if it can't see the cloaked unit... and no, I don't want to create a dummy unit at the point and try to check if it can see the unit then
19:32.05JohnnyZergmax size map is 256x256, but if everything is smaller than 25% of this map is 100% larger
19:32.39A1winAhli, what do you mean by "see"? fog of war is player based, not unit based
19:33.25JohnnyZergis possibile my ideas?
19:33.55AhliA1win: very good. :D player based I mean
19:34.11A1winJohnnyZerg, you can't change the size of pathing mesh
19:34.14AhliJohnnyZerg: footprints can't be made smaller than 1x1
19:34.38JohnnyZergshit...
19:34.45Ahlialso, the smallest radius above 0 can be walked through
19:35.15JohnnyZergthere is no way to reduce them?
19:35.18AhliI tried exactly what you did and that's where I failed ^^
19:35.55A1winthe reason for the 256x256 limit is pathing, it's very cpu heavy to calculate it
19:36.12A1winso if you'd be able to make it smaller, it'd be just the same to allow larger maps
19:36.18Ahlimy map has areas with 60x60 where every pathing happens in :S
19:36.20A1winwell, I guess one of the reasons for it
19:36.31AhliI want an exception
19:37.05Ahlienable 512x512 with big fat warning that it can kill performance and that they don't advise using it
19:37.37Monkalizerwhat are you going to do with a 512 map?
19:37.54Monkalizermothership irl`? sc2 to scale? :)
19:39.06JohnnyZerguse a small map pool a map
19:39.28JohnnyZerg4 maps are more than enough
19:39.53JohnnyZerg4 maps in one
19:40.33Ahlirebuilding entire diablo 1 in 1 map
19:40.49Monkalizerhaha
19:41.00Monkalizerallow me to laugh
19:41.02mille25Ahli: im not sure what you mean by "see"?
19:41.03AhliI've a loading/saving system for dungeon areas... so, in theory it would only need to render the terrain + texutres
19:41.06JohnnyZergso I can set a ranking system that applies to the 4 maps together
19:41.10Monkalizerwhy just not break it up ?
19:41.43Ahliok, you cannot SEE a cloaked unit as it is CLOAKED, but it appears GLASSY on the screen, if you SEE the POINT where it is
19:41.55AhliI want to detect that you see the glassy thing
19:41.58Monkalizermy memory of diablo was endless dungeons, i cant understand how that would fit on one map
19:42.12Ahliso the AI legitimatly can react to it and cast a scan
19:42.31AhliMonkalizer: it's not endless. 16 main dungeons and a few quest dungeons
19:42.49AhliI can fit up to caves with a pvp area into 1 map atm
19:42.51Monkalizerbut still :)
19:43.16Ahliso, in theory I only need to add 4 more dungeons
19:43.21Ahli+ special
19:43.54Ahlior I need a way to change the texture on the ground
19:44.05Ahliand hide fog
19:44.10Ahlimake it black again
19:44.10Monkalizerthats craxy
19:44.22Monkalizerbut really cool if you can make it work
19:44.37AhliI think I can differentate between the spotted dungeon actors
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19:47.55Ahliwell the dungeon actor thing should be easy... just a signal which one I want to load and the right ones need to unhide themselves
19:48.17Ahlimacro to every dungeon object and done
19:48.54Ahlithe comparable value would be stored in a state of the actor
19:49.55mille25Ahli: so basically you want to execute scan if player X can see point Y and there is a cloaked unit there?
19:50.19Ahliyes
19:51.06Ahliwell, I know when there is a cloaked unit because that's where that would be started at
19:52.37mille25if there isnt a native function for it i guess no
19:52.47mille25but dont know to be honest
19:53.09mille25basically its about checking if a point is within fog of war, isnt it?
19:55.09Ahliyes
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19:58.09Ahliso, time to test on bnet if my build order works
19:58.31Monkalizerdo you need help in testing?
19:58.51Ahlino, I add 10 bots to the game, make myself spectator and look
19:59.04Ahlialso, I need to hope that one AI receives mutant hero because I only made one for him
19:59.24Monkalizer^^
19:59.31Ahlibut there is one spectator slot open then, if you want to look at them
20:00.13Monkalizernah, i have my bubbles to worry about, thx anyway :)
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20:01.49ckSynergymorning
20:02.48Monkalizerhello
20:04.23Ahliyay, one picked mutant
20:04.39ckSynergy?
20:04.41ckSynergywhat?
20:05.32Ahlihmm, why arent the minions not spawning o0
20:06.12TwoDieahli what you doing1?
20:06.34Ahlibreaking things
20:06.38Ahlia susual
20:07.11TwoDieMinnions? Mutant? what is that?!
20:07.30Ahlimutant is a hero, minions are the units the bases spawn and send to the lanes
20:07.54Ahliit works offline o0
20:08.06ckSynergyhas anyone here encountered a bug with custom icons screwing up/glitching out/getting pixeled/distored in game on a unit's behavior bar (next to the unit icon, bottom center left)
20:08.30TwoDieahli recreating MOBA?
20:08.55Ahlihttp://www.staredit.net/topic/14637/ playable on US and EU, but nobody plays on EU
20:10.41TwoDieokay
20:11.20TwoDieahli bug when choosing 3v3 the teams spreads to 4v2
20:11.44ckSynergyhttp://i.imgur.com/6Nek8.jpg - little help?
20:11.44TwoDieor 5v3
20:11.53TwoDiewhen 4v4
20:11.59ckSynergyTwoDie: cant rely on lobbies?
20:12.07Shawn|RawrMOBA??!?!?!?!
20:12.10Shawn|RawrDOTA!!?!?!?
20:12.18TwoDie!!@
20:12.19TwoDie!@!@!
20:12.31TwoDieckSynergy i guess?
20:12.45ckSynergyTwoDie: That was more of a statement lol
20:13.01TwoDieckSynergy Okay?
20:13.27ckSynergyuse the lobbies to get the general setup of teams, then once the game is setup, use triggers to assign player team-alignment
20:14.07AhliTwoDIe, that is a bug of battle.net. The host dropped a player on the name of a team
20:14.16TwoDieckSynergy i dont getting this bug on my map its on Ahli map
20:14.39TwoDieahli dont believe taht its not fixable
20:14.50Ahlithen tell me how to fix it
20:15.26TwoDiego to game variants and polay with those choises? :O
20:15.43Ahlimax team size is set to 4
20:15.46TwoDiemaybe add more to enemy team like third play to team 2
20:15.47Ahliin 4vs4
20:15.53ckSynergyok wait
20:15.54ckSynergywhats going on?
20:16.27ckSynergyI can probably help, considering my "project" the last year has been a DOTA style game lol
20:16.28Ahlibnet is buggy for 2 years. that's going on
20:16.50TwoDieadd last player to team 2
20:16.53Ahlibattle.net ignores max team size, if you drop a player in the team name area
20:16.58TwoDieto every stuff
20:17.04ckSynergyAhli: so?
20:17.16Ahliwhat so? yes it does
20:17.25ckSynergyright, but thats a well known issue
20:17.31ckSynergythat doesnt explain the problem
20:17.50Ahlithat's the problem I have. bnet does not enforce its setting, therefore bugged
20:18.47Ahlitook me a while that the editor just does not load removed things when you set it to default
20:18.59ckSynergyso basically, your just annoyed blizzard hasnt fixed the bug
20:19.08Ahliit works when you save and upload, but the editor resets it when it loads the map
20:19.35Ahliwell, I'm annoyed, yes. But I hope that the bug is fixed in hots
20:19.42ckSynergyheh fat chance
20:19.56AhliI reported it, so... I will see what will happen
20:19.59ckSynergyIm just hoping all the fied flow down to WoL
20:20.03ckSynergy*fixes
20:20.13ckSynergybecause Im not paying $40 for a game with 4 new units.
20:20.29Ahlibattle.net is buggy anyway... change mode bakc to the first mode as host and it doesn't load the slots...
20:20.47ckSynergy*shrugs*
20:20.47Ahlichange it from 4vs4 back to 5vs5... slots don't appear...
20:20.51ckSynergyhavent tried changing modes
20:20.55ckSynergyohhhh
20:20.57ckSynergyhmm
20:20.59ckSynergyodd
20:21.05Ahlispectator/referee is only available in the first mode
20:22.21Ahlireviews have a chance to appear way to big on the screen
20:22.31ckSynergyhonestly, why are you trying so hard to let blizzard do everything for you?
20:22.33Ahlireviews loads contents twice
20:22.52ckSynergyId recommend using 1 game mode, set to whatever the max players are
20:22.57ckSynergy5v5, 6v6 whatever
20:23.02ckSynergythen do adjustments in game if need be
20:23.21AhliI will do. am I am not allowed to tell you all the bugs it has?
20:23.24ckSynergybecause if someone is hosting a game, theyre going to be inviting players anyway
20:23.47Ahliatm I hope that these things will be sorted out with hots. If not, I report all of these again and hope that they sort it out one day.
20:24.03ckSynergyand if its a public game, why should the host be altering the settings anyway, when at any time the ame can fill and start almost instantly
20:24.18ckSynergyhots will probably fix it by getting rid of the option
20:24.23ckSynergyif anything
20:24.24Ahlithat has the condition that the map is popular
20:24.39ckSynergyand if its not popular, then whats the point?
20:24.45Ahlithe filling instantly
20:24.47ckSynergythe host will start the game when they fill its "full enough"
20:24.50ckSynergy*feel
20:26.42ckSynergyshrugs
20:26.45ckSynergyjust my 2 cents
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20:29.46RaynorRaidIs there a way to change a players UI to other races after a map initializes?
20:30.36Ahlinot in the way you want it to be
20:31.16ckSynergyaye, its a long, complicated, tedious thing to do Raynor
20:31.50Ahliit would involve replacing the model with images and do everything else... but I don't know about announcer sounds
20:33.41Ahlitrigger debugger doesn't show error messages when you play online in a multiplayer match?
20:33.58Ahliit stopped the code, but it didn't show an error
20:34.22Ahliwell, I hope it was that player 100 can't be in a player group...
20:37.20RaynorRaidoh okay
20:39.17ckSynergyannouncer sounds would have to be redone. I've done it for a few events, but its complicated
20:39.31ckSynergybasically involves setting up a bunch of data events, or triggering it
20:40.51ckSynergyAhli: have you ever seen this bug before? http://i.imgur.com/6Nek8.jpg
20:41.45Ahlino
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20:41.58Ahlidoes that happen if you use a smaller scaled image of that instead?
20:42.12Lerustergood day
20:42.22Ahlihello
20:42.49ckSynergyhowdy
20:43.02Dustin|WorkLE ROOSTER
20:43.19ckSynergyhow goes it?
20:43.52ckSynergyyo hey dustin!? didnt you have an icon glitch before that blizz said was some kind of internal graphic conflict?
20:44.12Lerusterhehe :) cool cool
20:45.33ckSynergyLeruster: I'm curious, what were the issues you had with reaver? Not enough bones or something?
20:45.48Lerusteroh I didn't recognize you ;)
20:45.50Lerusterhey man!
20:45.56Lerusterno, just the animation itself
20:46.13ckSynergylol
20:46.14Lerusterif it required more bones then I'd add more :)
20:46.23Lerusteris that sentence properly constructed? :P
20:46.27ckSynergyI think so
20:46.31ckSynergymade sense to me lol
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20:46.58Lerusternah I mean did I use the right conditional tense :P
20:47.02Lerusterwhatever
20:47.05TaintedwispHey Le'Rooster
20:47.08TaintedwispHows it going :P
20:47.11ckSynergyIm a programmer not an english major lol
20:47.11Lerusterhey Whisp ;)
20:47.23ckSynergyoh god its tainted
20:47.26Lerusterbut you live in England right ?:D
20:47.27Taintedwispyou should update those tools for projects :P (I want hero glow!!!!)
20:47.28Taintedwisp:P
20:47.34ckSynergyme? no
20:47.40Taintedwisp\Hey CkSynergy hows it going?
20:47.44Lerusterno? where do you live?
20:47.46ckSynergyGoing well actually
20:47.46TaintedwispProjections
20:47.53ckSynergyUSA
20:48.00TaintedwispUSA USA USA
20:48.07Lerusteroh
20:48.18Lerusterok :D
20:48.23ckSynergy*shrugs*
20:48.23TaintedwispHe lives in america home of the whopper, and land of the taco
20:48.25Lerusterprojects? you mean projections?
20:48.28Taintedwispyeah :P
20:48.39LerusterI didn't yet :)
20:48.49TaintedwispWell one day :P I wants that hero glow haha
20:48.50LerusterI'm checking the normal mapping error that Zolden is strugling with right now
20:49.09TaintedwispBut I dont want some lame terrain cut through when they go up or down a ramp
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20:49.12LerusterI don't get it ;) you want this icon below his legs to be glowin and all?
20:49.17Lerusteroh :)r
20:49.19Lerusterright
20:49.31Taintedwisphttp://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/attachments/general-mapping-tutorials-278/67176d1255179666-how-add-hero-glow-without-modeling-heroglow.jpg
20:49.45TaintedwispIts a team colored Projection that glows :P
20:49.47Lerusterhero pesant!
20:49.51Lerusterpeasant
20:49.53Taintedwisp:P haha, I want that glow
20:50.12Lerusterhmm
20:50.23Lerustercan't you just switch textures on some other projection?
20:50.29Taintedwispi could do the same thing with multiple omni lights sure... but it wouldnt be neither bright NOR team colored, NOR would it work on the low settings
20:50.30Lerusterthat is attached to the hero?
20:50.33TaintedwispYeah
20:50.40TaintedwispIn Sc2 It will be attached to origin
20:51.26TaintedwispWho da fuck is rut?
20:51.35TaintedwispNever heard of him or anything
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20:51.56Lerustermhm
20:52.03Lerusterwell
20:52.13LerusterI have to just fill in the blanks ;)
20:52.27Lerusterthe projections are there (in the script code) if you look closely ;)
20:52.54Taintedwisp< Not a modeller :P
20:53.02Taintedwispbut I gots connections :P
20:53.17Taintedwispokay me asking zolden nicely isnt really a connection but still :P
20:53.32Ahliwhy could the debugger stop at a TriggerExecute(...); ?
20:53.44Lerusteryou ruined it :D
20:55.40Ahliin the code it sets the trigger ! to null...
20:55.41Taintedwisphey iMisu
20:56.12iMisuHeyo
20:57.50iMisuCase staring have to go
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20:58.18Leruster_did you say anything after my "for a moment there" ? ;)
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20:59.07Ahlihmm, that setting to null is normal
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21:00.07TaintedwispOkay time to work on my ability tool tips, :P
21:00.44tehbonehi, I want units to keep moving after they come out of the vortex. I tried to replace the stasis with the stun flag but they are still losing their old order
21:01.26Dustin|WorkckSynergy, I did not have that issue sir.
21:02.10Ahlidoes it change other flags, too?
21:02.17Ahlitehbone:
21:02.49tehbonedisable abilites, but tried to remove that too
21:02.59Ahlidon't disable abilities
21:03.05Ahlistun flag alone suppresses everything
21:03.09Ahlidisabling == loosing
21:03.32tehboneinvul, suppress cloak collision detection energyreg lifereg
21:03.52Ahlilooks fine to me :S
21:04.03tehbonedoes it disable automatic behaviors around units?
21:04.33tehbonelike a damage aura created with a never ending periodic behavior
21:05.22ckSynergykk dustin
21:05.43ckSynergytehbone: you want to reduce movement speed
21:05.47Ahliwhy should it alter behaviors?
21:05.53TaintedwispYo CkSynergy, If I have a modify unit that heals attached to a create persistant, how would I calculate how much health it will give?
21:05.55tehboneinside the mothership vortex?
21:06.01ckSynergyIf you disable abilities, suppress movement, or anything or the sort, it will cancel move orders
21:06.15AhliI don't think behaviors are stopped
21:06.29ckSynergybut if you simply apply a buff to units that reduces movement speed to say, 0.001, they wont be able to move, but should resume movement afterwards
21:06.31Ahliyou could set the timescale to 0.1 and hope the behaviors use the unit's scale ^^
21:06.36Ahli*0.01
21:06.40tehboneThey are on attack move, I'm trying to remove suppres attack
21:06.46ckSynergyTainted: depends?
21:06.58TaintedwispOkay i have TONS of abilities :P
21:07.04Taintedwispbut.... I am trying to do tooltips
21:07.08ckSynergyyea, ditto lol
21:07.11ckSynergyahhhh
21:07.16TaintedwispI have no idea how to calculate how much damage any deals or how much any heals
21:07.20tehboneI can disable behavior classes, I can simply disable all buff behaviors, should work
21:08.11Taintedwispi know I have  6 periods in my persistant, and the modify unit gives .01 vitals and for some reason gives over  40 Hp
21:08.17ckSynergy<d ref="Effect,MyHeal,VitalModification[Life] * Effect,Persistent,Periods[0]"/>
21:08.19ckSynergyas an example
21:08.38ckSynergya poor example, but an example non-the-less
21:08.50ckSynergy.01%?
21:09.19TaintedwispIahhh it is change fraction
21:09.29TaintedwispSo If I switch that to just change
21:09.32ckSynergythere are 2 vital modifiers for modify unit effects. a flat change, and a % chance
21:09.34ckSynergy*change
21:09.42ckSynergyyes lol
21:09.45TaintedwispSo its giving .06% of health back to the unit then correct
21:09.46Taintedwisp?
21:09.49ckSynergyyes
21:10.00ckSynergyif you have it set to 0.01 in the vital fraction field
21:10.02Taintedwispkk I understand now, Though I still dont understand my damage one :P
21:10.09tehboneokay the suppress attack was the problem :)
21:10.10ckSynergy?
21:10.25Taintedwispwait... But If I set it to .05 it gives over 400 HP to all units
21:10.36ckSynergywhats the life on your unit?
21:10.38ckSynergythe max life
21:10.40TaintedwispThe caster
21:10.43Taintedwispor the target?
21:10.45ckSynergytarget
21:10.52TaintedwispThe target units are between 35-2000
21:10.54Taintedwisp:P
21:10.59ckSynergylol
21:10.59Taintedwisp2200
21:11.17ckSynergyok, what is the effect you are tryng to achieve
21:11.19ckSynergylets try that
21:11.34ckSynergybecause debugging what you ave without seeing it is gonna be impossible for me lol
21:11.34TaintedwispOne sec
21:11.36Taintedwispill show
21:12.04TaintedwispThe effect works but its not giving a percentage which is fine, but I still need a number for the tool tips :P
21:12.18Taintedwisphttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC16lIUzHJE
21:12.19TaintedwispThere
21:12.23TaintedwispIts the healing storm ability
21:12.27TaintedwispI think its the first ability
21:13.24TaintedwispI just cant figure out how its calculated if I can figure that out it will be fine
21:13.32ckSynergykk sec
21:14.03TaintedwispAnd I have over 27 abilities that have 5 levels each and then 9 abilities with 3 levels each
21:14.04ckSynergybahaha
21:14.07ckSynergylooks like my ability
21:14.12ckSynergyand acts like it too lol
21:14.12Taintedwispso I dont wanna go into the game and record the exact on each ability...
21:14.18Taintedwisp:P
21:14.28Taintedwispgreat minds think a like
21:14.36ckSynergy>.>
21:14.44ckSynergyanyway
21:14.44Taintedwisphaha
21:15.03ckSynergyok, so, for your heal
21:15.08ckSynergyhow do you want it to behave
21:15.18ckSynergylike, if you were writing a tooltip for it
21:15.23ckSynergywhat would it say
21:15.23Ahliso, I verified that the thread limit is still over 1k... silly me with copy pasting code... repeat forever + starting threads
21:15.48TaintedwispRight now its 5 heals attached to a switch effect with validators attached to a search area thats attached to a persistant
21:16.00ckSynergyfacepalm
21:16.07ckSynergyand thats the tooltip text your going to show players?
21:16.26TaintedwispLearn healing storm - Cast a powerful storm healing units in a radius [Level 1] heals X amount of health or [Level 1] heals X percentage of health, Either is fine for me
21:16.34TaintedwispThats the learn tool tip
21:16.34ckSynergy"Heal Storm: 5 Heals attached to a switch effect with validators and a search area attached to a persistent"
21:16.38ckSynergylol
21:17.06ckSynergywell, is it flat rate or % rate?
21:17.07Taintedwisplol
21:17.30TaintedwispEither But I cant seem to calculate a flat rate that makes sense or a % rate
21:17.32ckSynergyalso, what healing rate do you want it to have
21:18.00ckSynergyIf you tell me the amount and rate you want your ability to have, I can tell you the #s and the fields
21:18.17TaintedwispII havent thought about it to be honest
21:19.10ckSynergysuper facepalm
21:19.19TaintedwispWell over the course of 5 levels it needs to go from about 15-20 to about 1000
21:19.30ckSynergyO.o
21:19.34Taintedwisphaha
21:19.39ckSynergy5 ability levels?
21:19.44Taintedwispyup
21:19.52Taintedwispit can heal 50% of health
21:19.56Taintedwispunless you think thats too op
21:20.05Taintedwispwell it is aoe....
21:20.06Taintedwisphmm
21:20.07ckSynergyI think it depends on the game lol
21:20.07TaintedwispI dunno
21:20.17ckSynergymine has a 100% AoE heal
21:20.20TaintedwispIts for healing Mini units that are massed
21:20.31TaintedwispI could easily make a 100% aoe :P haha
21:20.33ckSynergyand the ability I have that acts like yours is uhhh
21:20.35ckSynergyone sec
21:21.59ckSynergy30 periods with a duration of 0.1 and a heal of 0.7 flat
21:22.21ckSynergywhich translates to 21 life over 3 seconds
21:22.40Taintedwispnow does the duration of the periods matter?
21:22.51Taintedwispor is that just how long the health is given over time
21:23.09TaintedwispBecause right now I have 6 periods and 0.005 health on levell 1 and its giving about 20 hp..
21:23.11ckSynergy(0.7 life * 30 periods = 21 gain; 30 periods * .1 seconds = 3 seconds total)
21:23.32Taintedwispwait... main is done on fraction...
21:23.41ckSynergydepends on the effect, but in this scenario, its the delay between heals
21:23.57ckSynergyerm heal *ticks*
21:24.37TaintedwispTesting
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21:36.45TaintedwispThere I think I got close enough
21:38.11TaintedwispI have 6 periods but it seems that it goes V=X7
21:39.43ckSynergyV=X7?
21:40.40RaynorRaidI am trying to find a tutorial that shows me how to create my own dependency for my sc2 map. My goal is to decrease the loading screen time on bnet and having the Liberty (Campaign) dependency takes a long time to load. Can anyone share a link?
21:40.42TaintedwispValue = X * 7
21:41.11TaintedwispWTF
21:41.14ckSynergyif you have the heal set to 7, yes lol
21:41.25TaintedwispWhat?
21:41.37ckSynergyRaynor: Good freaking luck
21:41.48Taintedwispehhh nvm...
21:41.57TaintedwispNot worth explaining something that isnt working anyways...
21:42.00RaynorRaidwhy do you say that?
21:42.20Taintedwispokay So I changed all of mine from Change fraction to change, And I thought I was doing it correctly..... BUT, its just not working...
21:42.22ckSynergyWell, there are a LOT of assets in the campaign dependancy, and I dont believe players have to download it anyway
21:42.44Dustin|WorkThey have to load the assest
21:42.45Dustin|Works
21:42.46ckSynergycreating your own is basically like trying to rebuild the great wall of china. Its going to take you ages to do
21:42.59Dustin|WorkDepends on what assests you use
21:43.07Dustin|Workbut ya, it will be a bitch im sure :P
21:43.13Taintedwispand you will still have a longish loading screen
21:43.14Taintedwisp:P
21:43.16ckSynergytrue, but unless you only have 1-2 campaign assets, I dont see the point
21:43.18RaynorRaidoh? I was told that if a custom map you publish has enabled some dependencies like the campaign one, loading screen time is much much longer
21:43.31ckSynergyits a bit longer
21:43.37Dustin|WorkDepends on the computer
21:43.41TaintedwispMy loading time is like 15-20 seconds...
21:43.42ckSynergynot too painful though. I use campaign, and my computer sucks
21:43.47TaintedwispAnd I have a shit computer
21:43.49Dustin|WorkBut it does have to load all the assests from the dependencys if im not mistaken
21:43.51ckSynergy^
21:44.03ckSynergyit just depends
21:44.07TaintedwispdNah it doesnt dustin it only loads a portion of the data from the dependency
21:44.10ckSynergyon how many assets you're looking to rip
21:44.24Taintedwispif its > 5 its not worth doing :P
21:44.28ckSynergy^
21:44.36TaintedwispBecause the dependency also links actors effects, etc
21:45.11RaynorRaidexactly Dustin, thats why i was asking. I was just going to use only 3 units from it only. If the loading screen time difference is not much then thats okay. This will be a map played by five players.
21:45.36RaynorRaidif tainted is right then ill just keep using teh campaign dependency
21:45.52ckSynergyyea, you probably wont get much of an improvement tbh
21:46.06ckSynergyspend 20 hours to prevent an extra 3-5 seconds loading time
21:46.06Dustin|WorkWell Im sure you'd get a loading speed increase, but I dont think it'll be as much as you're wanting.
21:46.19RaynorRaidoh alright it just loads a portion of the data then.
21:46.22TaintedwispYeha I use Campaign Melee, and a custom mod with tons of assets, and I only have 15-20 second load times :P
21:46.41TaintedwispThe main thing is, Keep as many units as possible off the map spawn them via triggers, and DO NOT use Map Initilization if possible
21:46.58RaynorRaidoh okay gotcha thanks guys. Makes sense. I'll just keep using campaign dependency and save myself the hassle.
21:47.00TaintedwispFor any map inililization try to use a timer elapsed of 1 second
21:47.17TaintedwispInitialization
21:47.38RaynorRaidwhat for Tainted?
21:47.51Taintedwispa timer will make that trigger run AFTER the game has started
21:47.56TaintedwispI dont think you can do that with banks though
21:48.11Dustin|WorkIf you have a bunch of code in map init it can increase loading times
21:48.40Taintedwisp< Not a triggerer so dont know the specifics I only know it helps :P
21:49.15Dustin|WorkTainted, did that event framework help you out?
21:49.25Dustin|WorkUnderstand how to add new events?
21:49.42RaynorRaidahh duh yea, having too much crap on map init can increase right.
21:49.57RaynorRaidokay cool thanks
21:50.18TaintedwispI dunno I am not my projects triggerer :P
21:50.20Taintedwisplawl
21:50.29Dustin|Worklol
21:50.42Dustin|WorkWell if he doesnt understand it let me know :P
21:51.08Taintedwispkk, he should I looked at his random boss spawn system and your event system and they looked very similar to someone with no experience in triggers like myself
21:51.23Dustin|Workhehe k
21:51.57TaintedwispThe ONLY triggers I handle very lazily is the Buttons showing up on the hero select :P
21:52.08ckSynergyso, does anyone here think they can hypothesize why I'm experience the graphic bug in the behavior bar?
21:52.10TaintedwispThe buttons and tooltips
21:52.24Taintedwispwhat?
21:52.29ckSynergyhttp://i.imgur.com/kuJVZ.jpg
21:52.42TaintedwispMaybe its due to all the drugs you doin
21:52.47ckSynergybehavior and command use same picture
21:52.52Dustin|WorkIs that a custom icon for the behavior?
21:52.54ckSynergyyes
21:53.00Dustin|WorkHmm
21:53.07ckSynergythey were working, then suddenly they all just glitched out
21:53.15Dustin|WorkOh really
21:53.17ckSynergyyes
21:53.18Dustin|WorkThats interesting
21:53.22ckSynergyhappened about a month ago
21:53.27Dustin|WorkAfter a patch?
21:53.31Taintedwisphmmmm
21:53.32ckSynergyI had maybe 50 custom icons, all worked fine
21:53.35TaintedwispOh there was a new patch today
21:53.41Taintedwispso everyone is probably broken again :P
21:53.48ckSynergyand I dont know if I added one or something, but they just suddenly glitched out
21:53.58ckSynergyeh its a HOTS patch
21:54.02ckSynergydoesnt affect us WoL users
21:54.31Dustin|WorkckSynergy, this would be a good issue to put on the b.net forums for the developers
21:54.37TaintedwispNo theres a WoL patch out today too
21:54.49Dustin|WorkIm surprised they arent in here today
21:55.01TaintedwispI dont think we will see them here much anymore
21:55.30TaintedwispThey havent been here but like 2 days since new years
21:55.51TaintedwispUnless someone starts a QQ thread about Blizzard being silent
21:56.01TaintedwispThey have gone back to being silent on the HoTS forums too
21:56.07TaintedwispSilentish
21:56.30ZoldenTaintedwisp: it's 2 months until hots come out, they are working day and night
21:56.38Taintedwispyeah i know :P
21:56.51TaintedwispNever claimed there wasnt a reason :P
21:57.02TaintedwispJust saying we probable wont see them here much anymroe
21:57.44ZoldenTaintedwisp: can you find Leruster for me?
21:57.49Zoldenhe's disappeared
21:57.56TaintedwispLE ROOSTER WHERE ARE yoU!!!
21:58.15Zoldenyea, hope this will help
21:58.17TaintedwispHe was here earlier I distincly remember calling him Le Rooster
21:58.31Zoldeni remember it too
21:58.43nooblarkhello
21:58.43Taintedwisphes a ninja
21:58.44Taintedwisp:P
21:58.45TaintedwispHhaha
21:58.54TaintedwispI told him to get those projections on that update :P
21:58.55Taintedwisphaha
21:59.15Zoldenhe was about to do it
22:01.32TaintedwispLE ROOSTER WHERE ARE YOU!!!!!!!!!! COME OUT COME OUT WHEREEVER YOU ARE!!!!!!
22:01.33Taintedwisplol
22:01.35nooblarktained
22:01.39TaintedwispYo whats up
22:01.42nooblarkwhy aren't you working on evolves?
22:01.43nooblarkwtf.
22:01.52Taintedwispthats EvolutionFrenzy
22:02.00nooblarkyah
22:02.01nooblarkgo
22:02.02nooblarknow
22:02.03Taintedwispand because I am a huge procrastinator.. ]
22:02.08Taintedwisp:P
22:02.11nooblarkpsh
22:02.41ckSynergyhttp://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7593622268?page=1#0
22:02.52nooblarki just finshed helped misu with a trigger, now it's time to clean up my old map i haven't released with all my new knowledge
22:02.56TaintedwispTHIS MAKES NO DAMN FUCKING SENSE
22:02.57TaintedwispWTF
22:03.09ZoldenTaintedwisp: how many time do you need to drive to las vegas?
22:03.19Taintedwisp7
22:03.22Taintedwisp77
22:03.23Taintedwisp777
22:03.30Taintedwisp77 7's ina  row
22:03.32Taintedwisprollin dem dice
22:03.43Zoldenit's not about dice
22:03.51Zoldeni mean the distance between you and lasvegas
22:04.11nooblarknoob question
22:04.17nooblarki've been using old editor
22:04.27nooblarkif i use beta editor, will my maps still play in WOL?
22:04.33Zoldennope
22:04.40nooblarklol...
22:04.44nooblarkmisu gonna be mad!
22:04.45TaintedwispI dunno
22:04.59nooblarki tried to open her map and it was giving me errors
22:05.05nooblarkso i used beta one and it worked fine
22:05.12nooblarkwhich means her map is beta only
22:05.13nooblarklololol
22:05.35Taintedwisp2,218 miles zolden
22:05.36Taintedwisp:P
22:05.42Taintedwispjust a short walk I suppose :P
22:05.48Zoldenoh
22:05.49nooblarkyou're 2200 miles from las vega?
22:05.55Zoldenit's alot
22:06.01Taintedwisplwal Im in NC, Vegas in at the other ocean
22:06.01Taintedwisp:P
22:06.13nooblarki was abuot to say
22:06.21nooblarkthat puts you within 300 miles of me
22:06.22nooblarklol
22:06.26Taintedwisp:P
22:06.32nooblarkNJ son!
22:06.34nooblarkrepresent
22:06.34Taintedwispew...
22:06.36Taintedwispsorry to hear that
22:06.39nooblarki know.
22:06.54TaintedwispNot only are you in the yankee north, but your also in NJ...
22:06.56Taintedwispdamn...
22:07.07nooblarkall because of some dumbass new yorkers on a "music television" channel doing stupid shit for money.
22:07.17Taintedwisplets be honest...
22:07.22TaintedwispNJ was NEVER a good place
22:07.25TaintedwispIts americas butthole
22:07.29nooblarknj was
22:07.29Taintedwispor armpit
22:07.30nooblarkjust
22:07.34Dustin|Worklol NJ
22:07.44nooblarka place to swim in the ocean alongside of syringes
22:07.50Taintedwispyeah..
22:07.52Taintedwisppretty much
22:07.55nooblarknow it's jersey shore trash
22:07.59TaintedwispNJ is NY's Landfill...
22:08.09Taintedwisphah
22:08.13nooblarkny is pretty bad too..
22:08.21TaintedwispThe entire north is bad lets be honest
22:08.30Dustin|WorkWe just need to buy our own island
22:08.33nooblarkwell we are populated moreso
22:08.45TaintedwispI have family who live near the canadian boarder, and When I go to see them, NJ, Maryland, NY and Penn all smell like cat piss...
22:08.46nooblarkif you go north north, towards canada, it's nice again
22:08.50Taintedwispjust 500 miles of pure catpiss
22:09.01nooblarkprobably some of the nicest scenery you'll find in the whole us
22:09.10Shawn|RawrNo one likes canada
22:09.13TaintedwispdYeah my grandpa lives 20 minutes from the boarder :P
22:09.22TaintedwispOn 50 acres of land
22:09.23Taintedwisp:P
22:09.25TaintedwispHunting land
22:09.27Taintedwisphaha
22:09.30Dustin|WorkIm probably going to move to Portland
22:09.37nooblarknext time you visit, stop at my town so i can slap you for dissing
22:09.40TaintedwispHis land is nice... But just 30 minutes before that...
22:09.43TaintedwispIts disgusting
22:09.54TaintedwispNo you go down south about 200 miles... you will see, The north is disgusting
22:09.58nooblarkin all honesty though
22:10.05nooblarki could live anywhere i wanted
22:10.10nooblarkbut i like this area.
22:10.15Taintedwisp< Stuck in NC :P
22:10.24TaintedwispOtherwise I would go to Alaska
22:10.26nooblarki mean, i have access to 5 states within an hour-hour and a half..
22:10.27Dustin|WorkDONT COME TO KANSAS
22:10.29Dustin|WorkIt sucks here
22:10.47nooblarkmajor cities with tons of history too
22:10.54Taintedwispahhh alaska 30 days of night, followed by 30 days of Day, and tons of snow...
22:10.55nooblarkphiladelphia is 10 miles from me.
22:10.56TaintedwispIc ould do that...
22:11.16TaintedwispGettysburg about 45 miles from me :P
22:11.24nooblarkhah
22:11.26TaintedwispTHE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN, only to fall again...
22:11.32nooblarkyah
22:11.38TaintedwispStill funny
22:11.39nooblarkobama too strong for the south
22:11.43nooblarkhe'll smash you
22:11.57TaintedwispObama cant wipe his own ass
22:12.20TaintedwispOne of the dumbest mother fuckers I have ever seen in the white house...
22:12.29nooblarkjust think about it.. in civil war the north helped slaves be free.. now that they are free, it's only going to be harder
22:12.32TaintedwispBut thats all of congress too
22:12.39Dustin|WorkUhh, you need to look at more people who have been in the white house then
22:12.52Shawn|RawrThe north didnt want to free the slaves. That's crap
22:12.56Dustin|WorkCongress now, that's a bucket of fucking fail
22:13.11TaintedwispActually Historically, Lincoln freed them to win the war because he was loosing, But he also told them to go back to africa after the war was over...
22:13.11nooblarkthe whole government is bucket of fail
22:13.21nooblarkwe "elect" a represenative
22:13.32nooblarkwho "elects" politicians
22:13.35TaintedwispNo we DONT elect a represenative
22:13.45TaintedwispOur represenatives elect our represenetives...
22:13.47Zoldenmakeing a castle for TwoDie: http://snag.gy/j0fvC.jpg
22:13.50Zoldenany notes?
22:13.51Taintedwispand I mispelled that too...
22:13.52Taintedwisp:P
22:13.53nooblarkeither way
22:13.56Shawn|RawrHe also thought that the slaves were going to ensure that his party stayed in office
22:13.57nooblarkwe don't have a sayu
22:14.18nooblarkbecause everyone is making a 'job' out of being "our word"
22:14.39TaintedwispAnd actually if you read the history books Lincoln had slaves well into the way, but its funny because jefferson and lee both had LONG already freed theirs :P
22:14.53Taintedwispthe war wasnt about freeing the slaves, but rather WHEN to free the slaves
22:15.02nooblarklol
22:15.11nooblarkthe south voted for never
22:15.14Shawn|RawrNo, it was about centralizing government power
22:15.18nooblarkthe north at least had a deadline.
22:15.19Taintedwispthat too
22:15.20Taintedwisp:P
22:15.31TaintedwispEither way it doesnt matter
22:15.38nooblarkhey shawn, maybe you'll know
22:15.48TaintedwispWoodrow wilson got into the white house in 1916 and fucked over EVERYONE
22:15.52nooblarkif i make a map in beta editor, does it work in WoL (game)?
22:15.54Taintedwispor maybe it was 1912
22:16.05TaintedwispNo it wont Nooblark
22:16.11nooblarktainted
22:16.18nooblarki already got your opinion
22:16.19nooblarknow sit.
22:16.30Taintedwisp:P its not an opinion its a fact
22:16.33nooblarklol okay
22:16.38nooblarklast time you seemed unsure
22:16.47Shawn|RawrIts not worth it imo. New features wont work in old editor
22:16.55Taintedwisplast time? I dont recall you asking me that question tbh
22:17.03nooblarki said it, and you replied
22:17.07Taintedwispreally?
22:17.15nooblarkwith rgards to misu's map
22:17.26Taintedwisphuh I dont remember that though then again I get asked tons of shit :P
22:17.36Taintedwispahhh
22:17.41nooblarki said it would give me errors in my editor (i used old one) but if i used beta, they stopped
22:17.54TaintedwispWell Then let me set it strait real quick, No, because the version numbers are different
22:17.55nooblarkand then i asked if that affects what game the map will open in
22:18.00TaintedwispIt will break things that even WoL could do
22:18.11nooblarkshe's fucked then
22:18.21nooblarkspent a lot of time making a super nice terrain and data changes
22:18.33nooblarkcan't release it in WoL ( if that's what she intended)
22:18.35TaintedwispWho misu has been using the beta editor?
22:18.44TaintedwispShe can release it in WoL in 2 months
22:18.55TaintedwispWhen the WoL is patched to the same version
22:18.56nooblarkyou mean HotS?
22:18.58nooblarkoh
22:19.00TaintedwispBoth
22:19.05nooblarkwell that's two months.
22:19.11nooblarkwe put some serious work in it
22:19.13TaintedwispMeh its just 2 months
22:19.16TaintedwispGives more time for polish :P
22:19.27nooblarki'm done polishing
22:19.28Shawn|RawrIts fine
22:19.32nooblarki gave her the trigger she wanted.
22:19.36Shawn|RawrJust the new features wont work, shich i doubt she used
22:19.40nooblarkit's her map, not mine. :{
22:19.58TaintedwispShawn you sure? I did that with mini chop farms and even the things that worked in WoL didnt work on it
22:20.21nooblarki'm not even 100% sure she used it. i only know it gave me errors when opening in WoL one
22:20.26TaintedwispI wonder if thats why my Texture select wouldnt work i n her map the other day :P
22:20.47TaintedwispWait nooblark what was the error, was it Files missing from archives?
22:21.02Taintedwispif so thats the broken ass repository
22:21.03nooblarksec
22:21.20TaintedwispIt gave me that error time after time and then I had her private message it to me on mapster and it worked fine
22:21.40nooblarkbeta is version 2.0 right?
22:21.48Shawn|RawrYes
22:21.53Taintedwispyup
22:21.56Shawn|RawrWol is 1.5.4 now
22:22.01nooblarkhmmm
22:22.04Taintedwisp2.02 or some shit like that
22:22.08Taintedwispyup
22:22.14Taintedwispas of today it is 1.5.4
22:22.19nooblarki apologize if this is spam.
22:22.22nooblark[1/15/2013 5:21:51 PM] Warning: Game data for Abilities cannot be saved due to Gameplay Data version mismatch (code: 478, data: 477)
22:22.22nooblark[1/15/2013 5:21:51 PM] Warning: Game data for Abilities cannot be saved due to Abilities version mismatch (code: 603, data: 602)
22:22.22nooblark[1/15/2013 5:21:51 PM] Warning: Game data for Achievement Terms cannot be saved due to Gameplay Data version mismatch (code: 478, data: 477)
22:22.22nooblark[1/15/2013 5:21:51 PM] Warning: Game data for Actors cannot be saved due to Gameplay Data version mismatch (code: 478, data: 477)
22:22.22nooblark[1/15/2013 5:21:51 PM] Warning: Game data for Alerts cannot be saved due to Units version mismatch (code: 478, data: 477)
22:22.31Taintedwispthat looks liek beta editor
22:22.32Taintedwisp:P
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22:22.40TaintedwispThat looks liek beta editor
22:22.52nooblarkthats what happens when i open up my old one.
22:22.59Shawn|RawrI love how you misspelled like both times
22:23.09TaintedwispThough I just opened it 2 days ago in the normal editor and it was fine
22:23.24TaintedwispIts a habit shawn :P
22:23.42nooblarkif i go to open, her map totally says 2.0
22:23.44TaintedwispComes from Typing quickly :P if I would actually slow down I could get my grammar perfect.
22:23.51nooblarkhang on
22:23.56nooblarklet me check the original
22:24.22TaintedwispI type 85-95 wpm last time I checked Normally without trying to rush and thats me reading and re-typing words on a screen, But if I slow it down to about 50 its fine
22:24.44TaintedwispI haven't checked my typing since like the 10th grade though so I know it has improved since then
22:24.44nooblarknope.
22:24.46nooblarksays 1.5
22:24.48TaintedwispThat was 4 years ago
22:24.51nooblarki guess i fucked it up
22:24.53nooblarkwhoops
22:25.04Taintedwisp:P
22:25.10nooblarkwhy does it give me all those errors when i open WoL editor? :O
22:25.10TaintedwispMight be the download too
22:26.16nooblarki'm so confused!
22:26.17Ahlihttp://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLGSC2 they play arcade maps
22:26.22Dustin|Work"Cigarettes are a lot like hamsters. Perfectly harmless untill you put one in your mouth and light it on fire."
22:26.56Taintedwisp:P
22:26.59Taintedwisphaha
22:27.49nooblarkso why is my editor broken?
22:29.00Taintedwispbecause you love men?
22:29.08Taintedwispnah seriously i dunno
22:29.14nooblarkmaking me mad
22:29.17nooblarki did nothing wrong to it
22:29.28Dustin|WorkWhat do you mean 'broken'
22:29.29nooblarkand it's giving me all sorts of errors i don't understand
22:29.37nooblarkdid you see that block of spam?
22:29.46nooblarki get all those errors when opening my WoL editor
22:34.40nooblarkas long as i can still make makes, i guess it's fine if it's mad at me.
22:34.46Taintedwispdammit I need data help!!
22:34.54nooblarkyah?
22:38.22TaintedwispLemme run 1 last test first
22:40.56Dustin|WorkTaintedwisp,  whats wrong
22:41.52TaintedwispOkay So apperently my switch effect isnt working...
22:42.21TaintedwispIts simply made so it should work
22:42.25TaintedwispI thought It was working..
22:42.28nooblarkthe switch isn't, or the actions?
22:43.09Taintedwispactions? what you mean? this is data\
22:43.24TaintedwispThe switch effect isnt switching out the modify unit effects
22:43.30TaintedwispAnd I cant see why
22:43.35TaintedwispThe validators are correct....
22:43.47TaintedwispThe button says it has increased in level
22:43.53TaintedwispSoooo why isnt it working...
22:44.17nooblarkforgot to set the button to the ability or w/e
22:44.19nooblarkmaybe.
22:45.31Taintedwispno the ability IS working correctly... its just not switching the modify unit effects
22:46.22nooblarki'm not that familiar with the editor.. so i don't knwo
22:46.47nooblarkonly switch i know of is in triggers.
22:48.17Taintedwisp:P
22:48.29nooblarktake it easy there buddy
22:48.32TaintedwispWhat I am doing SHOULD be working
22:48.37nooblarki've only been making maps for 1 week.
22:48.41Taintedwisphaha
22:48.58nooblarkand i have zero experience with any editor similar, such as wc3.
22:49.02TaintedwispI have been mapping for over a year :P
22:49.12nooblarkand you still suck! lol jk
22:49.16Taintedwisplawl
22:49.23nooblarkwtb evofrenzy
22:49.25TaintedwispI can get done what I need to get done :P
22:49.27TaintedwispWe all do..
22:49.28Taintedwisp:P
22:49.32nooblarkthen
22:49.33nooblarkdo
22:49.33nooblarkit
22:49.41TaintedwispAfter I get these heroes done, Then Its just Mercenaries....
22:50.13TaintedwispMercenaries are easy :P
22:50.45TaintedwispMercenaries are Units you buy similar to WC3 mercenaries
22:51.52nooblarknever played wc3
22:52.00Ahlihots patch?
22:52.42Taintedwispnah
22:52.47TaintedwispTheres a WoL patch
22:53.42nooblarkthere was a ton of little changes i wanted to do to my map to polish it
22:53.46nooblarkand now i can't think of a single one
22:54.15TaintedwispText Documents nooblark always record your thoughts
22:54.22Taintedwisphttp://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/8441645/Patch_154_is_Now_Live-1_15_2013
22:54.24Taintedwisp:P
22:54.25nooblarki think i was sleeping :O
22:54.45nooblarki normally write it on a peice of paper.
22:54.56nooblarkdoes anyone know the maker of star dodgeball?
22:55.15TaintedwispThe name says Rut
22:55.17TaintedwispBut I dont know
22:55.17nooblarkor know how to make small walls like he had, reflect things?
22:55.27TaintedwispStar Dodgeball... that sounds familiar
22:55.36TaintedwispNope
22:55.42nooblarkk
22:55.57TaintedwispI remember seeing star dodgeball and thinking "Whats with the photon Disc carbon copy...
22:56.05nooblarki need info from how he did it so i can work on a map i'll never finish
22:56.52nooblarkand the thing too!
22:56.59nooblarkthat was repo?
22:57.10TaintedwispRepo is a douchebag
22:57.11Taintedwisp:P
22:57.13nooblarklol..
22:57.22nooblarkhe has map choices
22:57.41Taintedwispit scans sc2mapster.com and finds any new news articles or assets.
22:57.45nooblarki didn't know if that was a mod or something, or if it's a big map with all the "mini" maps and it allows you to only view one
22:58.02Taintedwisp~repo
22:58.02purlThe webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications
22:58.17Ahlisomeone on EU asked in the blizz forums where photon discs went
22:58.35Ahliwhat's bounty doing anyway? didn't see him around for a while
22:58.58Zoldenlearning data :)
22:59.01Zoldeni guess
22:59.08Zoldenor quit mapping disappointed
22:59.13Zoldenor doing a super project
23:02.10TaintedwispHe quit
23:02.15Taintedwisphe has a family to take care of
23:02.58Zoldenoh, fuck you, real life! you took so many talented mappers from us!
23:03.35nooblarklol
23:04.01TaintedwispI wouldnt say talented...
23:04.17TaintedwispHe could MAKE a nice map, but he failed many times making a polished or a fun map
23:04.39TaintedwispNone of his maps have had any lasting appeal really
23:04.46TaintedwispThat being said he could do some amazing things
23:05.04Zoldenhe's still pretty good
23:05.17Taintedwispyeah hes good, hes just not good at making something that will last for very long
23:05.18Zoldenphoton discs is a level a few could reach
23:05.48TaintedwispI personally thought he always needed to quit working alone and work with someone else who could direct the project into a more fun map
23:06.11Zoldendo you know who could it be?
23:06.22TaintedwispLike when he made photon disc he could have made that last a LONG time, He had the ideas to make the modes, but he pushed them all out in like 3 days and people got overwhelmed
23:06.27Zoldeni'd liike to have someone who would tell me how to make my maps funnier for fucking noobs
23:06.35Taintedwisp:P
23:07.00TaintedwispSo then people were no longer anticipated for a game which will no longer be supported
23:07.21Shawn|RawrI wish I had a project lead too
23:07.24TaintedwispHes a GREAT mapper, but hes needs a partner who can handle the schedualing and etc
23:07.29Shawn|RawrDamn blizz for not supplying those
23:07.32Zoldenmake a game interesting and replayable isn't the same as keep updating it
23:07.41TaintedwispYeah but thats part of it
23:07.54Zoldendo u support chop thing?
23:07.59TaintedwispI have TONS of ideas for Evofrenzy... that will be released in bi weekly to weekly updates :P
23:08.16Taintedwisp? Yeah if people start playing it I'll go right back to it :P
23:08.25TaintedwispI check on it every few days
23:08.38Zoldenyea, every mapper check his maps
23:08.48Zoldeni could go there right now and check my maps
23:08.51Taintedwispyeah
23:08.54Zoldenand become disappointed again
23:08.57Zoldenyeah, good thing to do
23:09.23Taintedwisplawl, I dont become disappointed :P I made MCF for people who still played Warcraft 2 on the russian servers
23:09.37Taintedwispand I have be notified that they really liked it :P but they still just dont like Sc2 haha
23:10.40Zoldenoh, conservative russians!
23:12.05Taintedwisphahah
23:12.12TaintedwispWell not russians russian server
23:12.16TaintedwispActually it was mostly americans
23:12.17Taintedwisp:P
23:12.42Zoldenoh, got it
23:12.43TaintedwispBut Warcraft 2 Combat Edition is where the remaining tournaments for Mini Chop Farms original take place
23:13.05Taintedwispthe tournaments are like 30-40 people :P
23:13.48Zoldenthis http://snag.gy/vYPNR.jpg
23:13.58Daaradoesn't make sense why my offset loads differently in game
23:14.12TaintedwispZolden your not a data editor are you
23:14.15TaintedwispHow about you Daara?
23:14.22Daarai do it all
23:14.25Daarahttp://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/PrisonPreview_zps2139de83.jpg
23:14.26Zoldeni'm universal, i do everything
23:14.31Taintedwispokay how good are you at leveling abilities?
23:14.32Daaraold one on right side
23:14.43Daarahttp://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/Prison_zpse31fb656.jpg
23:14.47Daarawhat it looks like in game
23:15.01Zoldengj Daara
23:15.07Zoldenbut they miss normals!
23:15.12TaintedwispI made a healing ability and EVERYTHING looks fine in the editor but when I go in game my Switch effect isnt switching the modify unit effects witht he level
23:15.36Daaralol
23:15.59Zoldensry, never tried levels and switch
23:16.03Zoldeni do it my way
23:16.26Daarai haven't done anything like that in a long time so i couldn't tell you off the top of my head
23:16.37Daarado you have a switch for each level?
23:17.06Taintedwispwhat a switch for each level? i have a different effect for each level matched with its own validator
23:18.19Daarai probably couldn't tell you without seeing it
23:18.22Daarahttp://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/CryptPreview_zps57106cb4.png
23:18.25Daarafixed this one up too
23:19.01Daarasuch a pain in the ass lol
23:19.28Daarablizzards models aren't strait
23:19.31TaintedwispI have looked over it 15 times... and I cant find a damn thing wrong with it
23:19.32Daaraso you can't just mirror their shit
23:20.27Daarayou're overlooking something!
23:20.31Daarai do that all the time
23:20.38DaaraIT SHOULD FUCKING WORK OMGAWWWWWWWWWWW FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU
23:20.45Zoldeni have always been missing wowo buildings
23:20.47Daarathen there's like 1 little thing that doesn't stand out that is wrong
23:21.04Daarai add attachments to them too
23:21.09Zoldencool
23:21.15Daaraso missiles don't fire at the ground underneath them
23:21.16Zoldenwill you publish them as asses?
23:21.26Daaraeventually
23:21.58TaintedwispBut this thing is SOOOO fucking simple.... its just not working
23:22.12TaintedwispIts literally max 3 fields per effect...
23:22.39Taintedwisp3 effects 1 persistent, 1 search 1 switch, and then 5 modify units... the modify units have 1 field and thats the vitals+
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23:29.46TaintedwispThis makes no fucking sense...
23:29.52Taintedwispi give up for now
23:29.56TaintedwispIll try again after dinner
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23:51.57nooblarkhey repo
23:53.47nooblarklol tainted all those errors in my editor was because i was using the editor without having the latest version of the game.
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