| 00:16.42 | Dustin | zolden the archon merge looks like that but blue |
| 00:17.19 | Zolden | ok, i'lll check, ty |
| 00:17.24 | Zolden | i can repaint it |
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| 00:45.02 | Zolden | what's the name of mothership black hole vertex? |
| 00:45.11 | Zolden | or vortex |
| 00:46.43 | Taintedwisp | Nothing |
| 00:46.46 | Taintedwisp | Its been removed |
| 00:47.56 | Zolden | it shall be returned back! |
| 00:48.20 | Zolden | no, seriously? who the fuck removed a modle from editor? |
| 00:49.25 | Taintedwisp | no one removed from the editorlol |
| 00:49.29 | Taintedwisp | Its called Singularity |
| 00:49.35 | Taintedwisp | thats the models name |
| 00:49.41 | Taintedwisp | I believe anyways |
| 00:50.46 | Zolden | found it, ty |
| 00:52.38 | Zolden | hey, Taintedwisp |
| 00:52.42 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 00:52.45 | Taintedwisp | whatcha need |
| 00:52.52 | Zolden | BIG BROGHER'S WATCHING YOU http://snag.gy/7iWKL.jpg |
| 00:53.09 | Taintedwisp | I'm WATCHING BIG BROTHER!!! |
| 00:54.10 | Zolden | http://snag.gy/5YjAy.jpg |
| 00:55.51 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 00:55.56 | Taintedwisp | Youmakin a model? |
| 00:56.01 | Taintedwisp | fjfjfjfffjfjfjfjfjfjfjfj |
| 00:56.41 | Zolden | it's jsut archon's portrait |
| 00:56.53 | Zolden | i'm making this http://snag.gy/I76Ua.jpg |
| 00:57.29 | Zolden | this is done: http://snag.gy/rYtyi.jpg |
| 00:58.04 | Zolden | jsut need a central crappy sphere |
| 00:58.17 | Zolden | probably repainted archon merge |
| 00:58.23 | Zolden | now u're well informed |
| 00:58.37 | Taintedwisp | Pretty cool |
| 00:58.52 | Taintedwisp | Looks good though |
| 00:58.56 | Zolden | wait |
| 00:59.08 | Zolden | the "done" picture is the same |
| 00:59.08 | Dustin | THOSE |
| 00:59.12 | Dustin | are the same picture |
| 00:59.25 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 00:59.34 | Taintedwisp | Who uploads 2 of the same image :P |
| 00:59.35 | Taintedwisp | SCRUB!!! |
| 00:59.40 | Taintedwisp | SCRUBBA DUB DUB |
| 00:59.42 | Zolden | http://snag.gy/o4ZRN.jpg |
| 00:59.43 | Zolden | this |
| 00:59.45 | Taintedwisp | DE LA SCRUb |
| 01:00.09 | Taintedwisp | I want tahat crab monster :P |
| 01:00.43 | Zolden | i'll give it to you, just gimme time |
| 01:01.11 | Taintedwisp | kk sweet :P |
| 01:26.05 | Dustin | fuvckin nice |
| 01:27.14 | Dustin | I think thats its a funny irony that now this channel is mostly filled with modelers talking about modeling, when it use to be everyone was like "I NEED A MODELERE :(" |
| 01:28.03 | Taintedwisp | LO)L |
| 01:28.12 | Taintedwisp | What? I am a mapper talking about dustin being a bitch |
| 01:28.13 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:28.19 | Taintedwisp | hah, whats up dustin hows it goin? |
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| 01:28.42 | RaynorRaid | Hey Dustin u there? |
| 01:29.18 | Taintedwisp | Dustins never here... |
| 01:29.18 | Dustin | Sup |
| 01:29.19 | Taintedwisp | ;lo; |
| 01:30.28 | RaynorRaid | ;lo;? |
| 01:31.43 | RaynorRaid | Im making a map where I am using units from the campaign dependency and some from melee dependency but thats it. Do you know how or is there a tutorial on how to make custom dependencies so that sc2 wont load everything? |
| 01:38.20 | Dustin | Im not sure, I havent used mods much and dont know of any tuts :( |
| 01:40.30 | Dustin | Tainted, fuck you :P |
| 01:40.43 | Dustin | I didnt see you were talking to me lol trying to make supper |
| 01:42.32 | RaynorRaid | alrighty thanks |
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| 02:22.50 | Dustin | http://mlkshk.com/p/HE0R |
| 02:22.53 | Dustin | I loled so hard |
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| 03:33.21 | turtles | hello |
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| 03:34.11 | Otixa | herp |
| 03:34.27 | turtles | derp |
| 03:35.37 | Otixa | having to cook food for yourself sucks >:| |
| 03:36.29 | turtles | Living at home? |
| 03:37.09 | turtles | cooking can be fun. wait till you have to do your own laundry too >:| |
| 03:37.14 | Otixa | neh, semester started and gf is studying in a different uni |
| 03:37.31 | Otixa | I've been doing my own laundry for a while now ;p |
| 03:37.50 | Otixa | But like |
| 03:37.55 | Otixa | When I'm at home |
| 03:38.01 | Otixa | gf would come over and cook me something |
| 03:38.05 | turtles | she should have pre-prepared meals waiting for you in the fridge. What kind of GF is she? - (joking! Joking!) |
| 03:38.07 | Otixa | or worst case we order something |
| 03:38.18 | Otixa | or mom would come visit and bring me enough food to last me a week |
| 03:38.21 | Otixa | now it's like |
| 03:38.35 | Otixa | I open the fridge, and there's a chunk of age old cheese |
| 03:38.40 | Otixa | And some stale bread |
| 03:38.55 | Otixa | And other stuff of questionable expiry date |
| 03:38.58 | Otixa | :| |
| 03:39.31 | Otixa | Need to go shopping after uni @_@ |
| 03:39.52 | Otixa | gnaws on turtles' head |
| 03:40.10 | turtles | *ducks head indide shell* |
| 03:40.24 | Otixa | turtles OP >:C |
| 03:40.26 | Otixa | nerf nao |
| 03:41.09 | turtles | whispers "is it safe to come out yet?" |
| 03:41.30 | Otixa | never |
| 03:41.41 | turtles | Otixa OP |
| 03:41.52 | Otixa | :B |
| 03:42.03 | Otixa | To sleep or not to sleep |
| 03:42.07 | Otixa | That is the question |
| 03:42.56 | Otixa | Could go out early and buy a fuckton of food and redbull |
| 03:43.02 | Otixa | And have an epic breakfast |
| 03:43.16 | Otixa | And then be totally dead when presenting game engine |
| 03:43.33 | Otixa | Orrr... could go sleep, wake up hungry and present shit properly |
| 03:44.20 | Otixa | opts for "watch big bang theory" and scurries off |
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| 04:05.37 | turtles | Has blizzard changed the "controller of player X" function? |
| 04:06.10 | turtles | it is saying that AI players are human controlled |
| 04:06.40 | turtles | if I set a player as computer controlled in the editor then it comes up as computer controlled |
| 04:07.08 | turtles | but if i set them to "user" in the map editor and then online add an AI player then they are evaluated as "human" |
| 04:07.23 | turtles | but this previously would give "computer" |
| 04:09.46 | Ahli | make a thread in their forums and report it. it's obviously a bug when a computer player appears as a human instead of a computer |
| 04:11.20 | turtles | I'll make a test map and do a comparisson between WOL and HOTS editor |
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| 10:07.11 | Taintedwisp | Yo dogmai i thought you had tofu published on WoL ? |
| 10:11.27 | Dogmai | no |
| 10:11.31 | Dogmai | ive been too busy |
| 10:11.33 | Dogmai | with real life |
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| 10:12.01 | Dogmai | and writing my d3 analysis |
| 10:12.05 | Dogmai | oh fffs |
| 10:12.08 | Dogmai | he aint even in the room |
| 10:12.10 | Dogmai | fml |
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| 10:48.49 | MasterWrath | Good evening. Anybody here? |
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| 11:18.48 | Zolden | let's map everybody |
| 11:19.45 | TwoDie | yeah what else to do :/ |
| 11:20.03 | TwoDie | since its friday its needs some beer too |
| 12:21.38 | Zolden | a new model http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/34/879/death_sphere.jpg |
| 12:39.56 | TwoDie | job for which you dont get any money is very well done |
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| 12:43.46 | Zolden | ty |
| 12:43.49 | TwoDie | btw |
| 12:44.00 | Zolden | money for losers |
| 12:44.01 | TwoDie | why does smoothing sometimes doesnt work? |
| 12:44.34 | Zolden | it may not look good if there aren't enough edges |
| 12:44.58 | Zolden | but in this case I only smoothed some edges |
| 12:45.36 | Zolden | also, texture brightness contrasts are visible |
| 12:46.27 | TwoDie | im talking about my own models |
| 12:46.45 | Zolden | well, try to use more polygons |
| 12:47.00 | TwoDie | ok will keep that in mind |
| 12:47.19 | Zolden | and try to use sommthing groups - smooth little parts separately and independently |
| 12:47.58 | Zolden | and don't smooth big polygons with small polygons |
| 12:48.04 | Zolden | it doesn't look nice |
| 12:48.07 | TwoDie | how to do taht? select faces in mesh edit? |
| 12:48.41 | Zolden | yea, select few faces in mesh edit, press number on that panel with lots of numbers |
| 12:48.50 | Zolden | it will smooth the group |
| 12:49.06 | Zolden | as an example of nice smoothing you can try any zerg model |
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| 12:49.50 | Zolden | there polygons are the same size, and there are enough of them, and each one is included to multiple groups |
| 12:50.12 | Zolden | and another thing |
| 12:50.17 | Zolden | the specularity parameter |
| 12:50.31 | Zolden | play with it to reach the best look |
| 13:01.06 | Zolden | maybe show me a screen of the place you don't like |
| 13:02.16 | TwoDie | http://snag.gy/kijlj.jpg |
| 13:03.27 | TwoDie | Zolden |
| 13:03.41 | Zolden | they don't seem to be smoothed |
| 13:04.11 | Zolden | you press smooth buttons and it doesn't smooth 'em? |
| 13:05.43 | TwoDie | yep |
| 13:06.31 | Zolden | dunno, ask otixa |
| 13:06.41 | Zolden | i witnessed it, and dunno how to fix it |
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| 13:07.15 | Zolden | once importing without "import vertex normals" helped |
| 13:07.24 | Zolden | another time didn't |
| 13:07.48 | Zolden | i'll ask him when he come |
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| 14:15.04 | Dustin|Work | Morning |
| 14:15.15 | TheSkunk__ | Morning |
| 14:16.32 | Otixa | Mourning |
| 14:17.28 | Otixa | Zolden, TwoDie, best thing to do would be to select whole mesh piece, clear smoothing groups and then manually reapply them |
| 14:21.54 | Zolden | ty |
| 14:37.33 | Dustin|Work | Stop helping people Otixa, you're killing your asshole rep |
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| 14:46.35 | zenxu | hello |
| 14:47.58 | Exaken | hi! |
| 14:48.52 | Dustin|Work | hii |
| 15:03.57 | Zolden | hiii |
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| 16:17.31 | Ahli | are unit groups random or does unit group loop within a unit group loop cause problems?? |
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| 16:30.06 | A1win | units are in unit group in the order they were added in it |
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| 16:34.24 | Ahli | I was iterating over the items a unit has... I wanted to compare every item once... it failed |
| 16:34.44 | Ahli | my new approach works, I just add a pool of all items first and then iterate through these |
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| 16:37.43 | Zolden | кшпре |
| 16:37.51 | Zolden | иусфгыу гтше дщщз шт гтше дщщз дфпы |
| 16:37.53 | Zolden | oops |
| 16:38.07 | Zolden | unit loop in unit loop bugs |
| 16:38.21 | Zolden | not bugs, just doesn't work |
| 16:39.20 | Ahli | hmm, with my second approach it works :S |
| 16:39.33 | Ahli | but I think I need to test if it does all comparisons |
| 16:40.55 | Zolden | do you create an array of units? |
| 16:41.00 | Ahli | no |
| 16:41.26 | Ahli | I still have 2 loops with the same unit group |
| 16:41.27 | Zolden | so, you use that thing which selects each unit? |
| 16:41.42 | Ahli | for each unit |
| 16:42.11 | Zolden | and you have embedded loops of this kind? |
| 16:43.19 | Zolden | last time I tried it, I realized that it can't distinguish what loop "selected unit" function mean |
| 16:43.34 | Ahli | the f*ck is it doing? |
| 16:43.47 | Ahli | it tells me that it found 280 items in the unit |
| 16:44.15 | Zolden | is it possible? |
| 16:45.15 | Ahli | no |
| 16:46.13 | Ahli | I have 1 hero and that hero has 56 items now |
| 16:46.37 | Ahli | I'm checking 5 slots per player... the other players aren't existent, so no units... in theory |
| 16:47.25 | Zolden | 280 = 56 * 5 |
| 16:48.00 | Ahli | hmm |
| 16:48.48 | Ahli | ok, he finds 5 heroes |
| 16:48.52 | Ahli | ... |
| 16:49.08 | Ahli | but no dupe :S |
| 16:49.27 | Ahli | ah yeah, he can't have a unit twice in the unit group |
| 16:51.12 | Ahli | I didn't make a check if the bank slot acutally exists... therefore he had the last created hero as the result |
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| 17:10.23 | Ahli | oh and multiply color mode makes dialog item pictures transparent. |
| 17:26.59 | Zolden | because any color * black = black |
| 17:28.35 | Dogmai | ~seen blizz-deletarius |
| 17:28.41 | purl | blizz-deletarius <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 7d 16h 32m 29s ago, saying: 'try and find out :)'. |
| 17:28.41 | Dogmai | ~seen blizz-artestru |
| 17:28.42 | purl | blizz-artestru <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 23d 19h 43m 14s ago, saying: 'target sorting with a weapon'. |
| 17:29.16 | Zolden | ~seen devil |
| 17:29.16 | purl | devil <6dc07dc5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.192.125.197> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 110d 16h 21m 18s ago, saying: 'nope'. |
| 17:29.41 | Zolden | ~seen god |
| 17:29.42 | purl | god <~pawky@193.15.242.97> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 197d 6h 21m 49s ago, saying: 'Am I still the only one who has noticed the Wifi HotSpot softy doesn't actually seem to use the encryption you set it to use?'. |
| 17:36.33 | TwoDie | anyone may be able to playtest Age of empires style map in half hour?! |
| 17:37.45 | Zolden | yea |
| 17:38.25 | Zolden | but i will probably heavily criticize your models |
| 17:38.40 | Zolden | did you manage to smooth that wooden stuff |
| 17:53.27 | TwoDie | no but its too small to see even zoomed in |
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| 17:54.40 | iMisu | What do I have to add to the unit along with the bunker load and unload ability so the units can attack from the inside. |
| 17:57.00 | TwoDie | i would say but editor not opend so suggestion would be to analize bunker itself, those abils etc |
| 17:58.05 | TwoDie | so testing |
| 17:58.44 | iMisu | I added nearly everything the bunker has to my unit just to see. |
| 17:58.56 | iMisu | Nothing. I even used bunker redirect attack ability |
| 17:59.05 | iMisu | Units from inside didnt attack. |
| 17:59.20 | TwoDie | hmmm |
| 18:00.24 | Zolden | hi iMisu |
| 18:00.58 | Zolden | your issues are easily solveble |
| 18:01.05 | Zolden | TwoDie: so, when we test |
| 18:01.52 | TwoDie | when you will bew online |
| 18:03.17 | Zolden | ok, lemme just help imisu |
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| 18:16.41 | zenxu | gangnam style |
| 18:16.54 | zenxu | duckies: hey |
| 18:17.02 | zenxu | make video of that bubble bobble shit |
| 18:17.09 | zenxu | I loved bubble bobble |
| 18:17.19 | zenxu | but I want it in video forma |
| 18:17.20 | zenxu | t |
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| 18:20.20 | TwoDie | Any testers for Age of Empires style map on EU |
| 18:20.21 | TwoDie | ? |
| 18:21.28 | Ahli | k |
| 18:22.21 | Zolden | ok, TwoDie, i'm coming |
| 18:22.45 | TwoDie | any 4th player? :O |
| 18:26.44 | Otixa | hehehhehe |
| 18:26.52 | Otixa | got an A for the game engine :D |
| 18:31.14 | duckies | sorry zenxu, can't talk now, making food, + it's anything like bubble bobble + it's not complete |
| 18:31.23 | duckies | *it's nothing like |
| 18:31.33 | zenxu | awwwwwww |
| 18:31.35 | zenxu | :( |
| 18:43.54 | Otixa | Dustin, umad? :D |
| 18:44.51 | iMisu | Hy Otixa long time no see :D |
| 18:44.58 | Otixa | ohai iMisu |
| 18:45.22 | iMisu | With a trigger, how do you make one player treat another player as enemy. I only see it for player groups. |
| 18:45.26 | Otixa | sup? |
| 18:45.32 | iMisu | Just learning the editor again |
| 18:45.45 | Otixa | Eh, haven't touched the thing in 2 years |
| 18:45.48 | Otixa | so no idea ;p |
| 18:45.50 | iMisu | Same |
| 18:45.59 | Otixa | I'm making proper games now |
| 18:46.02 | Otixa | hold head up high |
| 18:46.03 | Otixa | :B |
| 18:46.10 | Exaken | You can use Convert player to playergroup |
| 18:46.10 | iMisu | Still using starcraft 2 cursor? |
| 18:46.22 | Otixa | Naw, not on new laptop |
| 18:46.27 | Otixa | should prolly get it again :D |
| 18:46.52 | iMisu | Can I do it without converting the player to a playergroup ? |
| 18:47.14 | Exaken | I think so |
| 18:47.30 | Otixa | Can you convert Exaken to a playergroup? |
| 18:47.40 | Exaken | Set Alliance Aspect |
| 18:47.42 | iMisu | I need player 0 neutral to treat player 6 as enemy |
| 18:48.20 | Otixa | hits iMisu with a BLT sammich |
| 18:48.31 | iMisu | Bacon is disgusting |
| 18:48.36 | Otixa | lies |
| 18:48.37 | Otixa | bacon is nom |
| 18:49.10 | iMisu | I do not see enemy in alliance aspects |
| 18:49.37 | iMisu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.49 | iMisu | would it be off ? |
| 18:49.53 | iMisu | to make them enemy ? |
| 18:49.59 | Exaken | I´ve no idea |
| 18:50.01 | Exaken | try it ±D |
| 18:50.04 | Exaken | :D |
| 18:50.25 | iMisu | like a 5 minute test every time |
| 18:50.26 | iMisu | lol |
| 18:51.58 | iMisu | Guess i have to make 2, neutral doesnt like enemy but enemy is like hey... that doesnt feel good. |
| 18:52.42 | iMisu | Yay they kill each other |
| 18:52.49 | mille25 | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7592911249#1 |
| 18:53.14 | iMisu | Lies |
| 18:54.17 | iMisu | That would actually mean people would learn to use the map editor easier |
| 18:54.27 | iMisu | And why would they wait 3 years to do that. |
| 18:54.30 | iMisu | I call bacon. |
| 19:03.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster Blizz-Deletarius (d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72) |
| 19:04.05 | iMisu | Who it |
| 19:04.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | hey everyone |
| 19:04.18 | Exaken | hey |
| 19:04.34 | iMisu | Hio! |
| 19:07.53 | TwoDie | hey you! |
| 19:08.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | hey you too! |
| 19:09.00 | Zolden | Blizz-Deletarius: do dblizz plan to improve the way how normal maps work? |
| 19:09.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | in what manner? |
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| 19:11.05 | iMisu | I wana know why it took so long for extra documentation to be worked on for the editor almost 3 years later lol. |
| 19:11.30 | Saeris | heya deletarius, haven't seen you all week |
| 19:12.25 | Zolden | Blizz-Deletarius: the sides of the model parallel to Z axis use normal strange: if the side face east, and light some from south, and side's southern side is bright, then when we rotate the model 180 degrees, then this side will face west, but now its northern side will be bright, while sun is still come from south |
| 19:13.38 | Saeris | zolden are you using the third partying .m3 plugins by chance? |
| 19:13.52 | Zolden | It's not plugin related issue |
| 19:14.04 | Zolden | it's how graphical engine handle normals |
| 19:14.22 | Saeris | just saying the shaders in that plugin aren't correctly set up |
| 19:14.35 | Zolden | Blizz-Deletarius: Could you ask blizz modellers OR graphical engine guys to check this thread? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/47285-question-about-how-sc2-handle-normal-maps |
| 19:15.47 | Zolden | Saeris: what do they do wrong? maybe you have something to say in the thread I linked? |
| 19:16.59 | Saeris | well i can tell from your thread that you're doing that weird channel flip or whatever it is they have in the art tutorial forum for formatting normal maps |
| 19:17.44 | Saeris | the SC2 engine doesn't actually use those kinda of normals, it uses the regularblue type, not those orange type |
| 19:18.05 | Saeris | having to use the orange ones is a result of having to use the 3rd party tools, because the shader is set up incorrectly |
| 19:18.13 | Saeris | as far as i'm aware |
| 19:19.07 | Zolden | Saeris: all of sc2 models have and use orange maps, and almost non have blue ones, and none use the blue ones |
| 19:19.41 | Ahli | TwoDie: when do I win? |
| 19:19.56 | Ahli | I'm walking over the map for half an hour now I guess |
| 19:20.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | Zolden |
| 19:20.10 | Zolden | yea? |
| 19:20.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | when I send them the link |
| 19:20.21 | Blizz-Deletarius | what are the questions you need answered? |
| 19:21.06 | Zolden | I will post the main question as the last post |
| 19:21.24 | TwoDie | you didnt received any message Ahli? |
| 19:21.42 | Blizz-Deletarius | alright, thank you |
| 19:22.10 | TwoDie | Ahli will look into it now since in review one person have complained about taht |
| 19:22.54 | Ahli | oh :D |
| 19:22.55 | Saeris | yo Blizz-Deletarius I have a few questions for you too. first up, can you find out whether it's possible to save out bank files to observer/referee's computers as well as the players? |
| 19:23.08 | Saeris | i haven't yet been able to get that to work |
| 19:24.05 | Saeris | that sort of ties into another question: is it possible to generate bank files from replays? |
| 19:27.08 | iMisu | Need a few people on NA to help test map , anyone intrested |
| 19:31.55 | mille25 | Blizz-Deletarius: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7592581056?page=1#0 |
| 19:33.07 | Saeris | dependency uploading could be better yeah |
| 19:33.18 | Saeris | little annoyed with that myself lately |
| 19:33.27 | Otixa | hits Blizz-Deletarius with a stick |
| 19:33.49 | Otixa | also hits Saeris |
| 19:33.55 | Saeris | sup otixa |
| 19:34.00 | Otixa | ;) |
| 19:34.13 | Otixa | Got an A for my game engine assignment today :B |
| 19:34.18 | Saeris | cool |
| 19:34.36 | Ahli | +1 for mille25 |
| 19:34.51 | Saeris | i got 100k+ records to insert into a database in less than 30 seconds yesterday |
| 19:35.04 | Otixa | nice :o |
| 19:35.09 | Otixa | wut engine? |
| 19:35.15 | Saeris | down from a previous of 25+ minutes |
| 19:35.22 | Saeris | just using php |
| 19:35.27 | Ahli | lol :D |
| 19:35.52 | Otixa | ye but wut engine? |
| 19:36.03 | Otixa | InnoDB? |
| 19:36.06 | Saeris | yes |
| 19:36.10 | Saeris | that |
| 19:36.17 | Otixa | hrm, neat |
| 19:36.38 | Saeris | dunno if i could get it to go faster than that with another engine, but, i think this will have to do |
| 19:36.40 | Otixa | so what, you concat all the queries until max query size and feed each chunk in? |
| 19:36.48 | Saeris | i don't see much reason to use another engine |
| 19:36.57 | Otixa | neh, 30sec is fine |
| 19:36.58 | Ahli | I'm hungry, but I lack motivation to decide what I want to eat :S |
| 19:37.07 | Saeris | something like that i think otixa |
| 19:37.17 | Otixa | good lad |
| 19:37.22 | Otixa | pats Saeris on the head |
| 19:37.40 | Otixa | Weren't you supposed to be a designer? ;p |
| 19:37.44 | Otixa | Y U coding? |
| 19:37.56 | Saeris | special project |
| 19:38.01 | Saeris | brb |
| 19:38.21 | Otixa | http://www.marcias-lesson-links.com/gayle/special_projects.gif |
| 19:38.22 | Otixa | ;DD |
| 19:38.48 | Ahli | is the order in the behaviors of a unit always in chronological order? |
| 19:39.57 | Saeris | basically i'm designing a tool to aid in design otixa =P |
| 19:40.06 | Otixa | Ooh? ;o |
| 19:40.08 | Saeris | can't tell you about it tho |
| 19:40.12 | Otixa | Like this? http://fingercandymedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/square-peg-round-hole.jpg |
| 19:40.17 | Otixa | Y so NDA? >:C |
| 19:40.33 | Otixa | hits Saeris with a square peg |
| 19:40.38 | Saeris | lol |
| 19:40.47 | Saeris | i might be able to tell you later =P |
| 19:40.52 | Otixa | ;> |
| 19:40.53 | Saeris | not for the time being |
| 19:41.07 | Otixa | I want ALL your secrets |
| 19:41.24 | Otixa | Don't make me get the whip and nipple clamps |
| 19:43.53 | Otixa | Hmm... |
| 19:44.01 | Otixa | A tool to aid in design |
| 19:44.07 | Otixa | ...A tool to give designers aids... |
| 19:44.16 | Otixa | ¬_¬ |
| 19:44.49 | Zolden | Otixa: da faq is that? |
| 19:45.04 | Otixa | dafuq is wut? |
| 19:45.09 | Saeris | yes my evil plan is to kill off all the other designers so that i'm the only one left and will be the only one left for companies to hire! |
| 19:45.20 | Otixa | :O |
| 19:45.20 | Zolden | that hammer and red something |
| 19:45.29 | Otixa | Square peg, round hole :D |
| 19:45.31 | Otixa | hotfix! |
| 19:45.36 | Zolden | oh |
| 19:45.43 | Otixa | Saeris, I'm ethereal tho, so I'll live ;p |
| 19:45.59 | Otixa | ...And steal your jubz! |
| 19:46.03 | mille25 | http://fingercandymedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/square-peg-round-hole.jpg isnt that what a programmer always does? :D |
| 19:46.17 | Otixa | mille25, more or less |
| 19:46.28 | Otixa | My code is somewhat elegant tho :3 |
| 19:46.33 | Otixa | So no need for hammer |
| 19:46.43 | Otixa | the hole is actually IHole |
| 19:46.44 | mille25 | awww :P |
| 19:46.53 | Otixa | which is then extended into SquareHole and RoundHole |
| 19:46.59 | Otixa | The peg is also IPeg :D |
| 19:47.22 | Otixa | And there'd be a HoleManager which aligns all pegs and holes according to shape |
| 19:47.24 | Otixa | nods |
| 19:47.58 | mille25 | sounds like a java programmer. :D |
| 19:48.06 | Otixa | C# :P |
| 19:48.20 | Otixa | Tho, proper software architecture applies everywhere |
| 19:48.23 | mille25 | bah :P |
| 19:48.32 | mille25 | yeah sure. |
| 19:48.41 | mille25 | oh are you in game programming with c#? |
| 19:48.56 | Otixa | Well, I presented my assignment today |
| 19:48.59 | Otixa | Got an A :D |
| 19:49.05 | Otixa | Had to make a game engine |
| 19:49.06 | Dustin|Work | C# is awesome |
| 19:49.06 | mille25 | nice :) |
| 19:49.15 | mille25 | for school? |
| 19:49.19 | Otixa | uni, yeah |
| 19:49.24 | mille25 | which semester? |
| 19:49.32 | Otixa | BCS Computer Games Design & Programming |
| 19:49.39 | Otixa | final year & semester |
| 19:49.40 | Otixa | ;p |
| 19:49.46 | mille25 | nice |
| 19:49.48 | Otixa | just gotta do my dissertation now >> |
| 19:49.59 | mille25 | shit i have to go |
| 19:50.02 | mille25 | late already |
| 19:50.03 | mille25 | later |
| 19:50.06 | Otixa | baibai :P |
| 19:50.24 | Otixa | Dustin, you finish your game yet? ;p |
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| 19:52.22 | tordy | wassup dudes and dudettes |
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| 19:52.36 | Otixa | hits tordy |
| 19:52.39 | Otixa | hits Bibendus |
| 19:52.49 | Bibendus | hu |
| 19:52.59 | Otixa | huhuhu |
| 19:53.07 | Bibendus | oti |
| 19:53.13 | Otixa | did you make your shit look good yet? ;p |
| 19:53.19 | Bibendus | i had no time yet |
| 19:53.21 | Bibendus | :P |
| 19:53.23 | Bibendus | maybe this we |
| 19:53.31 | Bibendus | btw |
| 19:53.46 | Bibendus | i want to make a first person slash animation |
| 19:53.55 | Otixa | asin? |
| 19:53.59 | Bibendus | just a visual air affect |
| 19:54.01 | Bibendus | dunno how to call it |
| 19:54.06 | Otixa | ah |
| 19:54.10 | Otixa | like fruit ninja sorta? |
| 19:54.13 | Bibendus | ye |
| 19:54.16 | Bibendus | nice catch |
| 19:54.22 | Bibendus | what do you suggest me to do |
| 19:54.25 | Bibendus | I was thinking to a flash animation |
| 19:54.29 | Bibendus | considering flash is supported |
| 19:54.31 | Otixa | but |
| 19:54.34 | Bibendus | even if I'm not able to use it :D |
| 19:54.36 | Otixa | in SC2? |
| 19:54.38 | Bibendus | y |
| 19:54.52 | Otixa | I guess flash would be the better option then, ye |
| 19:54.55 | Otixa | Altho |
| 19:54.59 | Saeris | guess deletarius went for lunch |
| 19:55.01 | Zolden | Blizz-Deletarius: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/47285-question-about-how-sc2-handle-normal-maps/?post=21 |
| 19:55.06 | Otixa | These glass models Zolden makes |
| 19:55.14 | Zolden | this is the question I wnat blizz modellers/enginers to see |
| 19:55.15 | Bibendus | glass models? :O |
| 19:55.18 | Otixa | You can sorta use that |
| 19:55.25 | Bibendus | link? |
| 19:55.33 | Otixa | Zolden, link him :P |
| 19:55.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | thanks zolden |
| 19:56.21 | Otixa | Blizz-Deletarius, Y U no hi? D:< |
| 19:56.25 | Otixa | Also, happy new year ;p |
| 19:56.50 | Bibendus | zolden |
| 19:56.55 | Bibendus | it seems something related to my problem |
| 19:56.55 | Zolden | yea, sec |
| 19:56.55 | Otixa | Bibendus, anyway |
| 19:57.06 | Otixa | You make that glass model |
| 19:57.10 | Otixa | Like a sort of slash thing |
| 19:57.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | thanks :) |
| 19:57.12 | Bibendus | so when I was using boxed uvw |
| 19:57.14 | Otixa | And animate it |
| 19:57.18 | Blizz-Deletarius | sorry, been super busy |
| 19:57.25 | Bibendus | my cubes faces were badly rotated |
| 19:57.34 | Otixa | So then when you wanna play it, you spawn it at camera target position and play |
| 19:58.02 | Otixa | Remember to despawn |
| 19:58.06 | Otixa | because memory leaks lol |
| 19:58.27 | Otixa | actually, not too sure how SC2 garbage collection works |
| 19:58.28 | Otixa | but eh |
| 19:58.43 | Otixa | actually |
| 19:58.47 | Otixa | pokes Blizz-Deletarius |
| 19:58.59 | Blizz-Deletarius | hi |
| 19:59.05 | Otixa | hai |
| 19:59.11 | Otixa | How does garbage collection work? :P |
| 19:59.34 | Blizz-Deletarius | what kind of garbage collection? |
| 19:59.58 | Otixa | like if you spawn something that runs once |
| 20:00.23 | Otixa | does the engine eventually decide that it's been inactive for ages and despawns it? |
| 20:00.25 | Blizz-Deletarius | a thread or a unit or what? |
| 20:00.32 | Otixa | let's say a unit |
| 20:00.43 | Blizz-Deletarius | well if it still exists, it's going to be in memory |
| 20:00.44 | Otixa | say it's fully transparent |
| 20:00.45 | zenxu | dota 2 : http://imgur.com/Idwg6 |
| 20:00.47 | Otixa | and offscreen |
| 20:00.48 | zenxu | T_T |
| 20:00.51 | Blizz-Deletarius | if it's killed |
| 20:00.55 | Otixa | does the engine serialize it or something? |
| 20:01.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | it gets cleaned up shortly after |
| 20:01.15 | Bibendus | oh sry i m back oti |
| 20:01.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | graphically it won't eat up any rendering cycles if it's invisible or off camera |
| 20:01.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | however |
| 20:01.27 | Blizz-Deletarius | if it's not dead |
| 20:01.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | it doesn't matter |
| 20:01.33 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's still in memory |
| 20:01.38 | Otixa | hm, good to know |
| 20:01.39 | Otixa | thanks |
| 20:01.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | cause you can do "IsUnitAlive" on it as a query |
| 20:01.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | yeap |
| 20:01.47 | Otixa | also |
| 20:02.13 | Otixa | recently me and a bunch of friends noticed that a particular map causes memory leaks that persist after exiting the custom map |
| 20:02.23 | Otixa | how does that work? ;o |
| 20:02.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | uhhhhhh |
| 20:02.31 | Blizz-Deletarius | can you send the map? |
| 20:02.36 | Otixa | It's not mine |
| 20:02.37 | Blizz-Deletarius | or tell us which map? |
| 20:02.42 | Otixa | PeepMode Ohana LE |
| 20:02.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | does it happen every time? |
| 20:02.48 | Bibendus | I think it's too fancy |
| 20:02.50 | Bibendus | for my attack :D |
| 20:02.51 | Otixa | It's like a 2.5GB leak |
| 20:02.57 | Otixa | Blizz-Deletarius, not EVERY time |
| 20:02.58 | Blizz-Deletarius | o_O |
| 20:03.02 | Blizz-Deletarius | but a lot? |
| 20:03.02 | Otixa | but pretty often |
| 20:03.04 | Blizz-Deletarius | hmmm |
| 20:03.04 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok |
| 20:03.05 | Otixa | like every other game |
| 20:03.08 | Blizz-Deletarius | I'll pass it on |
| 20:03.14 | Ahli | got a replay when it happens? |
| 20:03.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | any circumstances? |
| 20:03.16 | Otixa | I found it odd |
| 20:03.23 | Blizz-Deletarius | like only if you're observing or have observed? |
| 20:03.28 | Otixa | Because I'd assume the engine is supposed to clean up after exiting the map |
| 20:03.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | only if you exit while playing? |
| 20:03.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | etc |
| 20:03.38 | Otixa | Blizz-Deletarius, dunno, all of us were both obs and players |
| 20:03.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok |
| 20:03.50 | Blizz-Deletarius | NA/EU/KR? |
| 20:03.53 | Otixa | no ragequits, just noticing that the game starts running slow |
| 20:03.54 | Otixa | EU |
| 20:04.02 | Otixa | and then we pause and look at RAM usage |
| 20:04.10 | Otixa | And it's like 2gig over what it should be |
| 20:04.12 | Ahli | aren't you all like real players in peepmode? |
| 20:04.16 | Otixa | and it persists after we leave |
| 20:04.26 | Otixa | Ahli, you can observe |
| 20:04.41 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 20:04.53 | Ahli | well, you can't do much UI interaction for observers |
| 20:05.15 | Otixa | whaddayamean? |
| 20:05.52 | Ahli | if you got unusual elements in the UI, it might be a sign that you are no "observer/referee" |
| 20:05.59 | Ahli | you would be a real player then |
| 20:06.06 | Otixa | well, yeah, I guess |
| 20:06.23 | Ahli | and since those maps have special observer features, I think everyone is a player |
| 20:06.23 | Otixa | but still, it shouldn't leak |
| 20:06.37 | Otixa | not after game exit anyway |
| 20:19.33 | Ahli | made another small improvement to my loading/unloading. I only need to know the owner for monsters and items :D |
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| 21:25.03 | Saeris | so glad that pandora has a chiptunes genre station |
| 21:25.25 | Dustin|Work | lawl wat. |
| 21:25.41 | Saeris | love me some good chiptunes |
| 21:25.57 | Dustin|Work | Isnt that just songs sped up? |
| 21:26.16 | Saeris | um, no |
| 21:26.33 | Dustin|Work | No idea wtf chptunes are then :P |
| 21:26.45 | Dustin|Work | OH |
| 21:26.45 | Saeris | it's songs generated using old synth hardware, such as in 8bit videogames |
| 21:26.48 | Dustin|Work | 8-bit |
| 21:26.52 | Saeris | a good example is http://keygenjukebox.com/ |
| 21:26.56 | Dustin|Work | Never heard it called chiptune before |
| 21:26.58 | Saeris | that website is the shit |
| 21:27.20 | Dustin|Work | I have a bunch a newer songs that were converted to 8bit songs lol so awesome |
| 21:27.40 | Dustin|Work | My fav is the Coheed and Cambria 8bit song |
| 21:28.26 | Saeris | i think the reason why it's called chiptunes is that there are a number of different chips that produce different sounds, so they're now used in conjunction together to create songs today |
| 21:28.43 | Saeris | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiptune |
| 21:28.45 | Dustin|Work | Yeah, makes sense now that I think about |
| 21:29.47 | Saeris | one could say this is a video game hipster's form of music |
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| 22:06.56 | Otixa | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggahA5kQjHI |
| 22:06.58 | Otixa | \m/ |
| 22:07.56 | Otixa | Dustin, go make game |
| 22:07.59 | Otixa | whips him |
| 22:12.00 | Dustin|Work | Cant, im working! :( |
| 22:21.09 | Otixa | >=[ |
| 22:21.12 | Otixa | BAD NUBHAT |
| 22:21.15 | Otixa | GO COD NAO |
| 22:21.18 | Otixa | code* |
| 22:21.35 | Otixa | I can even help you with some architecture :B |
| 22:26.02 | Dustin|Work | hehe |
| 22:26.14 | Dustin|Work | Im actually moving into development at work today I just found out! |
| 22:26.27 | Dustin|Work | So more web codezz |
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| 23:24.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | Zolden |
| 23:24.51 | Blizz-Deletarius | are you here? |
| 23:27.49 | Dustin | I havent seen him talk in a bit |
| 23:28.52 | Saeris | still hella busy Blizz-Deletarius? |
| 23:29.36 | Zolden | Blizz-Deletarius: yes, i'm here |
| 23:29.58 | Blizz-Deletarius | yea saeris |
| 23:30.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | Zolden |
| 23:30.08 | Zolden | yea? |
| 23:30.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | can you re-post your normals question to the blizz forums? |
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| 23:30.32 | Zolden | is it ok I post it on EU? |
| 23:30.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | sure |
| 23:30.43 | Blizz-Deletarius | I have an account there |
| 23:30.59 | Zolden | Should I explain it there or link mapster thread? |
| 23:31.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | copy and paste the content and link to the mapster thread |
| 23:31.20 | Zolden | ok |
| 23:39.35 | Otixa | prods Blizz-Deletarius with a stick |
| 23:39.42 | Blizz-Deletarius | ? |
| 23:39.54 | Otixa | Nothing, just profilactics ;p |
| 23:40.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | k |
| 23:48.14 | Zolden | Blizz-Deletarius: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6297782470#1 |
| 23:53.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | Zolden: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6297782470?page=1#2 |
