IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20121215

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`00:41.06`	`Vindicator`	`i can haz startools plzzzzz??? ^.^ weeeeeeee can't wait`
`00:43.47`	`Otixa`	`no ;p`
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`01:22.38`	`tordy`	`so maps from WoL and hots are under the same server ?`
`01:23.39`	`tordy`	`for ex u got a bunker wars published in WoL, you cannot publish bunker wars in HotS as it's already there?`
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`01:28.38`	`Vindicator`	`not quite tordy - maps available on WoL and HotS will both be available to people with HotS. So if you published a game with WoL only dependencies, everyone could play it, but if you published it with HotS dependencies, WoL obviously couldn't play it`
`01:29.04`	`Vindicator`	`you aren't limited to where you can publish a game, the players are only limited based on which game license they have`
`01:29.20`	`tordy`	`i know that`
`01:29.45`	`tordy`	`so it's the same map published in WoL also the same map in hots?`
`01:30.21`	`Vindicator`	`if the game only has WoL dependencies, yes`
`01:30.49`	`tordy`	`are hots dependent maps a separate pool of the WoL dependent maps?`
`01:31.41`	`tordy`	`so can there be a "Bunker Wars" (WoL) and a "Bunker Wars" (hots) ? They're published as the same name but have diff dependencies`
`01:31.50`	`Vindicator`	`highly unlikely`
`01:32.02`	`tordy`	`ok , that solves the naming issue`
`01:33.27`	`Vindicator`	`no one will know for sure until the expansion is released, but i doubt blizzard would want to allow for the opportunity of other people stealing your WoL game's name by publishing a HotS game with the same name`
`01:34.01`	`tordy`	`did blizz leave early? :[`
`01:34.24`	`Vindicator`	`because that would allow a troll to get HotS on day 1 and publish a map with all the popular WoL game names if they wanted... soo ya, i don't see that happening`
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`02:04.57`	`ckSynergy`	`grrr`
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`02:04.57`	`ckSynergy`	`ok, need some help.`
`02:05.18`	`ckSynergy`	`I have a unit that launches a missile. The missile is a projectile, with an impact efect of apply behavior to source`
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`02:05.19`	`ckSynergy`	`however trying to attach an actor animation to the behavior applies it to the caster, not the missile`
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`02:07.08`	`ckSynergy`	`same thing for when the missile explodes. It does a search but the effect is at the caster not the missile impact`
`02:07.08`	`ckSynergy`	`erm the actor animation effect`
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`02:08.45`	`*** topic/#sc2mapster is http://sc2mapster.com \| sc2mapster bnet2 channel \| HotS Beta has begun and 1.5 Arcade is FTW! \| We want your broken maps! http://bit.ly/aU9AgC \| Current State of Mapster: http://bit.ly/Wzti8F \| This channel is logged, via purl`
`02:09.00`	`tordy`	`~taintedwisp is fat`
`02:09.00`	`purl`	`...but taintedwisp is already something else...`
`02:10.13`	`ckSynergy`	`so`
`02:10.15`	`ckSynergy`	`any ideas?`
`02:10.31`	`tordy`	`no idea`
`02:11.13`	`Nebuli`	`wtf is going on lol`
`02:11.22`	`Nebuli`	`With people joining and leaving`
`02:11.38`	`tordy`	`the world is ending`
`02:11.44`	`Otixa`	`~taintedwisp`
`02:11.44`	`purl`	`from memory, taintedwisp is a niggerjew`
`02:12.00`	`tordy`	`~otixa`
`02:12.00`	`purl`	`somebody said otixa was Otixa`
`02:12.10`	`tordy`	`~otixa is a girl`
`02:12.10`	`purl`	`...but otixa is already something else...`
`02:12.23`	`Nebuli`	`~taintedwisp`
`02:12.23`	`purl`	`from memory, taintedwisp is a niggerjew`
`02:12.30`	`tordy`	`~tordy`
`02:12.30`	`purl`	`somebody said tordy was what`
`02:12.33`	`Nebuli`	`~Nebuli`
`02:12.45`	`Nebuli`	`:(`
`02:12.49`	`tordy`	`~nebuli is otixa`
`02:12.49`	`purl`	`okay, tordy`
`02:12.55`	`tordy`	`~nebuli`
`02:12.55`	`purl`	`nebuli is, like, otixa`
`02:13.09`	`Otixa`	`eh wot`
`02:13.15`	`Otixa`	`~nebuli`
`02:13.15`	`purl`	`hmm... nebuli is a nub`
`02:13.21`	`Otixa`	`nods`
`02:13.42`	`Nebuli`	`~Otixa`
`02:13.42`	`purl`	`methinks otixa is Otixa`
`02:13.47`	`Nebuli`	`...`
`02:13.51`	`Otixa`	`:B`
`02:13.56`	`Nebuli`	`I'm not sure about that`
`02:14.05`	`Otixa`	`Lies`
`02:14.12`	`Nebuli`	`~tordy`
`02:14.12`	`purl`	`from memory, tordy is what`
`02:14.17`	`Nebuli`	`~Nebuli`
`02:14.18`	`purl`	`[nebuli] a nub`
`02:14.23`	`Nebuli`	`...`
`02:14.29`	`Nebuli`	`~Nebuli is awesome`
`02:14.29`	`purl`	`...but nebuli is already something else...`
`02:14.35`	`Nebuli`	`oh screw you purl`
`02:14.47`	`Nebuli`	`~purl sucks`
`02:14.47`	`purl`	`only if you ask nicely and pay well.`
`02:14.55`	`Nebuli`	`Umm`
`02:15.09`	`Nebuli`	`Alright then`
`02:16.07`	`Nebuli`	`~zeldarules28`
`02:16.18`	`Nebuli`	`~Taintedwisp`
`02:16.18`	`purl`	`rumour has it, taintedwisp is a niggerjew`
`02:16.27`	`Nebuli`	`~Dogmai`
`02:16.27`	`purl`	`from memory, dogmai is a jew`
`02:16.37`	`Nebuli`	`~purl`
`02:16.37`	`purl`	`rumour has it, purl is arrogant`
`02:16.41`	`Nebuli`	`Yep.`
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`02:33.04`	`Repo`	`New announcement: Kobold Tribes - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/kobold-tribes/`
`02:34.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`WHAT THE FUCK!!!`
`02:34.34`	`Taintedwisp`	`Blizzard, what are you thinking?`
`02:35.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`So now we went from 1 half dead forum for all mapping, to... 20 fully dead forums...`
`02:35.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`02:35.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`Fail on blizzards part`
`02:39.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/`
`02:39.12`	`Taintedwisp`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:39.18`	`Taintedwisp`	`is that not 100% fail?`
`02:40.41`	`Otixa`	`No`
`02:41.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`how so? There are about 15-20 forums for mapping, yet, 1 forum for mapping was about dead on battle.net`
`02:42.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`13 total`
`02:42.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`02:42.03`	`Otixa`	`They're preparing for the influx of shit after HOTS and StarTools`
`02:42.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`Dude, there wont be that much of an influx`
`02:42.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`02:42.30`	`Otixa`	`Maybe, maybe not`
`02:42.40`	`Otixa`	`I still approve the separate art section`
`02:43.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`02:43.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`Why? there was already an art section`
`02:43.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`nvm`
`02:44.07`	`ckSynergy`	`ugh this is pissing me off`
`02:44.08`	`Taintedwisp`	`But still, Yeah the star tools will get people to make new models for a little bit. but.... after that they are going to die again`
`02:44.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`? what is it Cksynergy`
`02:45.08`	`ckSynergy`	`a missile`
`02:45.10`	`Otixa`	`Well`
`02:45.16`	`ckSynergy`	`animations refuse to apply`
`02:45.21`	`Otixa`	`Reason for people not making models is lack of knowledge`
`02:45.25`	`Taintedwisp`	`ahh`
`02:45.26`	`ckSynergy`	`they always apply at the caster`
`02:45.29`	`ckSynergy`	`never the missile`
`02:45.42`	`Otixa`	`Reason for lack of knowledge is the lack of a concise and to the point explanation of the workflow`
`02:45.56`	`Otixa`	`And that I am going to work on in the coming months`
`02:45.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`well what do you expect, not everyone wants to learn the overcomplicated 3dsmax`
`02:46.10`	`Otixa`	`You don't HAVE to use 3ds`
`02:46.20`	`Otixa`	`Also, it's not overcomplicated`
`02:46.22`	`Taintedwisp`	`to make models for Sc2 you will :P`
`02:46.28`	`Otixa`	`It's pretty straightforward`
`02:46.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`the only modeller i ever learned was Anim8tor :P and that was WAY back in the day`
`02:47.02`	`Otixa`	`Well, regardless`
`02:47.08`	`Otixa`	`I could use some extra epeen`
`02:47.18`	`Otixa`	`So I'll shit out a fuckton of tutorials on modeling`
`02:47.21`	`Otixa`	`Some UDK specific`
`02:47.24`	`Otixa`	`Some SC2 specific`
`02:47.36`	`Otixa`	`Maybe some CE3 specific... We'll see how that goes`
`02:48.24`	`Otixa`	`Could maybe do some stuff for CGtuts+ while I'm at it`
`02:48.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`Well the massive amount of forums on battle.net makes it look like an amateur did it, theres way too many catagories, and its pointless when theres not enough mappers to fill those catagories`
`02:48.30`	`Otixa`	`They pay :3`
`02:48.51`	`Otixa`	`Give it until after HOTS launch`
`02:49.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`ehh, still`
`02:49.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`it looks terrible hahaha`
`02:49.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`They wont change it either way, but still :P it looks terrible`
`02:50.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`hey sixen you run fan sites how do you feel about battle.net forum changes?`
`02:56.58`	`Sixen`	`I don't think the bnet forum gets enough traffic to warrant 12 mapping forums`
`02:57.19`	`Sixen`	`That aside, I was happy to hear they'd be looking to push supporting mappers this way`
`03:00.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`ah cool, didnt know that 2nd part`
`03:13.53`	`Ahli`	`will they open NA forum to everyone?`
`03:33.20`	`themusic`	`im going to keep asking this question until someone has the golden answer.. its been verified, .tga files sometimes show as blue boxes (not loading the tga image) on the screen for a player, instead of the image.. this most always occurs on macs more than windows`
`03:33.45`	`themusic`	`yet there is no solution documented to fix the issue, despite the fact lots of users have macs, and lots of maps use tga's, and lots of users experience the issue`
`03:34.06`	`themusic`	`this is day 4 of the search for the answer.. my quest continues`
`03:36.27`	`themusic`	`should anyone like to accompany me on this quest, or contribute information to help end the quest, please let me know`
`03:38.12`	`themusic`	`it is an overlooked issue discarded by many, but i say we must grab it by the balls.. or else come off as noob developers as mac users load blank blue boxes in place of hours of ui/image slicing/designing`
`03:38.16`	`themusic`	`</rant>`
`03:47.27`	`Otixa`	`themusic, moar technical data`
`03:47.54`	`themusic`	`mac users view .tga file and see blue box instead of tga`
`03:47.56`	`Otixa`	`Scientific approach rather than ranting`
`03:47.57`	`themusic`	`thats all there is to the equation`
`03:48.05`	`themusic`	`lol`
`03:48.08`	`ckSynergy`	`can I get some help?`
`03:48.18`	`ckSynergy`	`cant get an explode animation to play at the missile impact site`
`03:48.33`	`Otixa`	`Did you actually bother testing under which conditions this happens and with what kind of file more importantly?`
`03:48.45`	`themusic`	`what kind of file = tga`
`03:48.51`	`Otixa`	`...`
`03:48.52`	`themusic`	`conditions = any, on mac OS`
`03:49.04`	`Otixa`	`You do realize that'there's quite a bit more to it than just TGA right?`
`03:49.10`	`themusic`	`no`
`03:49.16`	`Otixa`	`Well, there you go`
`03:49.22`	`Otixa`	`Go read up and that and redo tests`
`03:49.39`	`themusic`	`bitrate doesnt matter, compression method doesnt matter`
`03:49.50`	`themusic`	`semi transparancies dont matter, idk what you mean`
`03:49.54`	`themusic`	`its an image file`
`03:50.00`	`Otixa`	`It's not bitrate, it's bits per channel`
`03:50.04`	`Otixa`	`Well, so is PSD`
`03:50.11`	`Otixa`	`But it's in no way comparable to TGA`
`03:50.19`	`Otixa`	`So is DDS, but that's entirely different aswell`
`03:50.36`	`themusic`	`not sure what you're indicating`
`03:50.39`	`Otixa`	`There are format specific things you need to consider`
`03:51.05`	`Otixa`	`What I'm indicating is that you do a proper test before jumping to "OH IT'S MAGIC AND HATES ME" conclusion`
`03:51.23`	`themusic`	`im not, ive done extensive testing .. lol`
`03:51.25`	`Otixa`	`Test all possible combinations of factors and compile the data into a concise, definitive statistic`
`03:51.50`	`Otixa`	`Ok then, under which conditions does it fail most frequently?`
`03:51.50`	`themusic`	`yes, it has been done. all the with same results. hence the baffledness of the question.`
`03:52.23`	`themusic`	`only coorelation is OS and image file type, no other conditions impact probability`
`03:53.11`	`themusic`	`filesize, compression, application method (dialogs, backgrounds, image dialog items), preloading, dimensions`
`03:53.21`	`themusic`	`those are all variables which do not impact probability`
`03:53.34`	`Otixa`	`And bits/channel and channel amounts?`
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`03:54.12`	`themusic`	`yea same, flat images, bits, semi-transparency, etc`
`03:54.50`	`Otixa`	`So you want a solution or a workaround? ;p`
`03:55.48`	`themusic`	`either :D`
`03:56.00`	`Otixa`	`Use DDS. Done ;p`
`03:56.28`	`Otixa`	`For TGA, run more tests on a separate machine, and check the way the image is loaded and referenced inside the code`
`03:57.12`	`themusic`	`hmm`
`03:57.16`	`themusic`	`isnt there quality loss`
`03:57.31`	`Otixa`	`Not if people bothered reading my article`
`04:14.14`	`themusic`	`do you have a link to it`
`04:14.46`	`themusic`	`been searching for exactly that info O.o`
`04:20.05`	`themusic`	`is it a secret :P`
`04:23.13`	`Otixa`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/9662-article-modelling-and-exporting-for-star-craft2/#p1`
`04:23.19`	`Otixa`	`It's stickied yanno ;p`
`04:23.56`	`Otixa`	`See exporting part`
`04:24.28`	`Otixa`	`off to bed`
`04:24.28`	`Otixa`	`o/`
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`05:25.02`	`tordy`	`Otixa:`
`05:25.04`	`tordy`	`~otixa`
`05:25.04`	`purl`	`from memory, otixa is Otixa`
`05:27.19`	`tordy`	`~otixa`
`05:27.19`	`purl`	`otixa is, like, taintedwisp`
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`05:42.01`	`Dustin`	`AWww`
`05:42.11`	`Dustin`	`The cool new physics are actor display only`
`06:56.31`	`Vindicator`	`Hey guys, i just started reading the new forum section discussion you had above and i think this is better than you might realize. I for one felt completely unmotivated to post legitimate helpful and informative content on the mapping forums because it wouldn't be seen. Now if i post helpful stuff on the forums there's`
`06:56.40`	`Vindicator`	`a much lower chance that it'll get missed`
`06:57.33`	`Vindicator`	`if just a couple people post useful stuff and it stays dead, it'll be worth it`
`06:58.04`	`Vindicator`	`because all the random bs from people that isn't helpful won't push useful stuff down to page 2 or 3 within a few days`
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`07:38.34`	`G0A`	`http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/ http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/ ohh yeah, buy more sc2 copies to have additional access to subforums...`
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`10:12.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`YO dogmai you there?`
`10:13.04`	`Dogmai`	`no`
`10:13.06`	`Dogmai`	`leave a msg`
`10:13.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`Okay, I just thought up the next 100 million dollar service OH SHIT!!!, here it is, So its a search, that Finds and Catagorizes Facebook fights from random people, and you can even click an option to filter only the ones that ANYONE can respond to, so you can troll the hell outta them!!! mwhahaah`
`10:13.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`< would use the hell outta that search haah`
`10:13.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`wheres rodrigo i know hes gunna want in on this shit`
`10:14.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`Oh another of my heroes are finished`
`10:14.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`And Swarm mother is right behind it`
`10:15.15`	`zenxu`	`yes that exactly what we need`
`10:15.28`	`zenxu`	`since facebook doesnt have enough idiocity yet`
`10:16.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yeah, but this would be the trollin tool of the century`
`10:16.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`Just think, everytime two idiots are talkin about the baby daddy, i can go on there, and type JERRY JERRY JERRY!!!`
`10:17.55`	`zenxu`	`I dont even wana know how tainteds facebook page is like`
`10:18.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`MWHAHAAH`
`10:18.05`	`zenxu`	`would be traumatized for life I assume`
`10:18.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`actually its unused`
`10:18.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`I dont type on facebook much, and if I do its to link serious Articles`
`10:19.51`	`zenxu`	`yea`
`10:21.01`	`Zolden`	`what action should i apply to a text tag to guarantee that it will be totally destroyed?`
`10:21.16`	`Zolden`	`TextTagSetTIme?`
`10:22.36`	`Zolden`	`Thanx, Zolden, but I don't believe you, u're noob, let someone esle answer`
`10:25.14`	`zenxu`	`lol`
`10:39.05`	`G0A`	`Failbook`
`10:39.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`Come on Hookah you know you would use this service`
`10:39.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`10:39.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`Just to troll those morons fighting over facebook`
`10:41.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`I think Imma make a webshow...`
`10:42.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`Seriously considering it`
`10:42.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`If I make one its going to be trolling real people`
`10:42.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`10:42.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`Like "Confusing Stupid People"`
`10:42.38`	`TwoDie`	`anyone know the topic on sc2mapster with dialog images borders images templates and analysis?`
`10:42.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`Pretty much Ill go around and make up stupid things`
`10:43.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`like Hey Dude did you hear that they bombed our 53rd state pourto rico.`
`10:46.00`	`G0A`	`Taintedwisp I not really use facebook....`
`10:46.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`But would you troll the people who do?`
`10:46.44`	`G0A`	`Since I not even use facebook much I dont even troll people there`
`10:46.46`	`G0A`	`so not:D`
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`10:47.09`	`G0A`	`I also only use facebook for private messages...`
`10:48.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`10:48.18`	`Taintedwisp`	`your no fun :P`
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`10:53.20`	`Zolden`	`hmm... why is poison spell returns "16" as attacker on unit died event?`
`10:54.31`	`Zolden`	`shouldn't it be caster's number?`
`10:57.58`	`Zolden`	`oh, because it works as negative health regen, instead of periodic damage`
`10:58.04`	`Zolden`	`isn't it a bug?`
`10:58.25`	`Zolden`	`behavior is still remember its caster`
`11:02.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`Zolden you ever sleep?`
`11:03.05`	`Zolden`	`i'm on drugs and map 30 hours a day and will die soon like that chinese wow player`
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`11:19.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`DONT COME BACK`
`11:19.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`GET OUTTA HERE!!!`
`11:21.05`	`DeadZergling`	`he was just getting another hit of drugs to keep at it, obviously`
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`11:22.31`	`Zolden`	`oh, poop!`
`11:22.44`	`Zolden`	`there is the field to define killer source`
`11:22.55`	`Zolden`	`feels noob`
`11:23.24`	`TwoDie`	`Zolden > achievement unlocked: Feel like a noob.`
`11:23.33`	`Zolden`	`I'm, Zolden't twin`
`11:24.08`	`Zolden`	`i map while Zolden sleeps, and also kill bums, don't tell him`
`11:25.08`	`Zolden`	`TwoDie: > achievement unlocked: Feel like you just unlocked a new achievement`
`11:28.52`	`DeadZergling`	`>achievement Unlocked, waste 1000 hours playing other maps to ignore your own project.`
`11:29.05`	`zenxu`	`Iv been brainstorming this day`
`11:29.14`	`zenxu`	`too much to do now that Iv gathered new ideas`
`11:29.50`	`DeadZergling`	`brainstorming is dangerous for that reason`
`11:30.46`	`Zolden`	`behavior's kill credit field doesn't seem to work ;/`
`11:31.32`	`DeadZergling`	`it does, just takes quite a bit of playing w/ sometiems`
`11:32.04`	`Zolden`	`what else should i do? tried all -> returs 16 still`
`11:34.24`	`DeadZergling`	`what exactly is it you are trying to do`
`11:35.55`	`Zolden`	`If a behavior kills a unit via negative hp regen, KillingPlayer() returns '16' after TriggerAddEventUnitDied() event happens. I think it supposed to return caster's number`
`11:37.15`	`DeadZergling`	`via negative hp regen, hrrrmm, not sure how to make that work`
`11:37.24`	`DeadZergling`	`why not just use a periodic damage effect?`
`11:37.38`	`Zolden`	`damage is cut by armor`
`11:37.44`	`Zolden`	`i'll try modify unit`
`11:37.48`	`DeadZergling`	`not if you use spell`
`11:37.59`	`Zolden`	`ok, i'll try damage first`
`11:38.14`	`DeadZergling`	`let me look at one of my dot effects real quick`
`11:38.16`	`Zolden`	`because modify unit is also bugged`
`11:38.42`	`Zolden`	`sometimes makes unit have negative hp and immortal to modify unit`
`11:39.11`	`DeadZergling`	`yea my dots work fine for kill credit, and nothing special is set there`
`11:39.25`	`DeadZergling`	`kill credit is just (None):Unknown`
`11:39.49`	`DeadZergling`	`and a periodic effect, initial, and expire effect`
`11:39.53`	`DeadZergling`	`but that is just personal preference`
`11:40.00`	`DeadZergling`	`i like the dot to start working as soon as it lands (initial)`
`11:40.05`	`DeadZergling`	`keep working (periodic)`
`11:40.12`	`DeadZergling`	`leave w/ damage (expire)`
`11:42.42`	`Zolden`	`ok, damage worked`
`11:42.46`	`Zolden`	`ty`
`11:42.48`	`DeadZergling`	`good deal`
`11:42.53`	`Zolden`	`didn't know spell shit on armor`
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`12:02.54`	`Taintedwisp`	`dryeyece no sleeps either zolden :P`
`12:03.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`Legend say, he is really 3 people who alternate mapping`
`12:03.14`	`Dryeyece`	`lol`
`12:03.32`	`Dryeyece`	`i wish`
`12:03.34`	`DeadZergling`	`explain how he made no progress while being sick then`
`12:03.35`	`DeadZergling`	`lol`
`12:03.48`	`Dryeyece`	`then i could get more sleep`
`12:04.16`	`Dryeyece`	`wait, are u even talking about me?`
`12:04.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`yeah`
`12:04.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`12:04.48`	`Dryeyece`	`k i would look like an arrogant ass if you werent lol`
`12:04.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`Truth is though, i dont exist.... :P`
`12:05.14`	`Dryeyece`	`super secret agent man`
`12:05.43`	`Dryeyece`	`~purl who is Taintedwisp`
`12:05.43`	`purl`	`methinks taintedwisp is a niggerjew`
`12:06.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`whats with all the hate`
`12:06.14`	`Dryeyece`	`lol, did you make it say that about you or is someone fucking with you?`
`12:06.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`I understand the nigger part... but wtf... what did jews ever do?`
`12:06.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`Someone else is fucking with me`
`12:06.35`	`Taintedwisp`	`I wouldnt have made fun of jews...`
`12:06.41`	`DeadZergling`	`~purl who is DeadZergling`
`12:06.41`	`purl`	`I think you lost me on that one, DeadZergling`
`12:06.51`	`DeadZergling`	`no info avail, just the way I like it`
`12:07.06`	`Dryeyece`	`~purl who is Dryeyece`
`12:07.06`	`purl`	`rumour has it, dryeyece is a fat dinosaur on a leash`
`12:07.19`	`Dryeyece`	`someone already got me too`
`12:07.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`~dryeyece`
`12:07.31`	`purl`	`i guess dryeyece is a fat dinosaur on a leash`
`12:07.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`~DeadZergling`
`12:07.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`~ deadzergling`
`12:07.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`~deadzergling`
`12:08.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`nope no one loves you`
`12:08.10`	`Dryeyece`	`lol`
`12:08.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`Wait... i was talkin to someone about niggers... who was that?`
`12:08.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`whoever that was probably put that`
`12:09.08`	`Dryeyece`	`I have no idea`
`12:09.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`< doesnt rmemember`
`12:09.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`Its not AS racist as it sound shaha`
`12:09.32`	`DeadZergling`	`you discuss those w/ people at random every other day TW`
`12:09.43`	`Taintedwisp`	`ahh okie sounds about right haah`
`12:09.45`	`Dryeyece`	`lol`
`12:10.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`PRetty much I believe that every race should be split into two groups, Black/Niggers, White/Hillbillies, Asians/Bananas, Mexicans/wetback, etc`
`12:10.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`that way you have the race, and the trash of that race`
`12:10.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`SEGREGATION!!!!`
`12:11.34`	`Taintedwisp`	`see its not AS racist :P`
`12:13.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`Sooo much hate...`
`12:13.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`12:14.15`	`Dryeyece`	`lmfao`
`12:15.34`	`Taintedwisp`	`I stick by it though, Why should Whites be thrown in with fucked up hillbillies, or why should blacks be thrown in with fucking theives and such...`
`12:16.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`You know in my own head it makes sense, and I know logically it makes sense and its not just hate, but On paper :P it looks very hateful from me to others haha`
`12:18.22`	`Taintedwisp`	`damn its 7 am...`
`12:18.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`:`
`12:18.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`I thought it was around 3 am haha`
`12:19.53`	`Dryeyece`	`6 am here`
`12:22.22`	`Taintedwisp`	`you in the center of the states i take it?`
`12:22.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`Around texas timezone`
`12:22.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`gotta be a southern state`
`12:23.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`i say southern state because you werent too offended by teh word nigger, + you get along with an aussie(dogmai) and peeps from the north dont do that`
`12:24.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`so, dryeyece, was i correct? was it a southernstate?`
`12:24.38`	`Dryeyece`	`loisiana`
`12:24.44`	`Dryeyece`	`Louisiana`
`12:24.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yup`
`12:24.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`12:25.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`Southerns love aussies its a damn fact...`
`12:25.25`	`Taintedwisp`	`nc here :P`
`12:26.50`	`Dryeyece`	`thats technically southern too hoss`
`12:27.07`	`Dryeyece`	`wait maybe NC isnt`
`12:27.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`Its the south ahah`
`12:27.22`	`Taintedwisp`	`Virginia and down`
`12:27.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`Carolina`
`12:27.31`	`Dryeyece`	`Im not sure cuz I personally dont consider it a southern state unless it touches the gulf`
`12:27.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`carolina at the time was the actual Capital of the Confederacy`
`12:27.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`12:27.49`	`Dryeyece`	`lol`
`12:28.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`12:28.24`	`Dryeyece`	`I have spent some time in NC at the outer banks, when I was stationed in Norfolk`
`12:28.28`	`Dryeyece`	`we used to go fishing there`
`12:28.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`You hit NC, and it doesnt get too much more southern past that, But it does continue a nice southern feel all the way to georgia(flordia is loosing it)`
`12:28.45`	`Dryeyece`	`and we also used to have to go to NC to get grain alcohol cuz you cant get it in virginia`
`12:29.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`Norfolk? you in the navy?`
`12:29.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`wiat nvm`
`12:29.08`	`Dogmai`	`Where does redneck fall into that race segregation`
`12:29.10`	`Dryeyece`	`I dont count florida they are too uppity`
`12:29.11`	`Dogmai`	`Cause Dryeyece is a redneck`
`12:29.12`	`Taintedwisp`	`Thats Virginia beach im thinking of`
`12:29.17`	`Dogmai`	`He aint a hillbilly`
`12:29.18`	`Dryeyece`	`I was in the navy for 5 years`
`12:29.22`	`Dogmai`	`Cause he his teeth`
`12:29.25`	`Dogmai`	`Only just, but still`
`12:29.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`ah cool, yeah my older bro was stationed at Virgina beach for the past 4 years himself`
`12:29.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`He just got out last year`
`12:29.59`	`Dryeyece`	`I got out in 04`
`12:30.03`	`Dryeyece`	`im old`
`12:30.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`Shut up dogmai, go ride a kangaroo :P`
`12:30.15`	`Dryeyece`	`HAHA`
`12:30.19`	`Dryeyece`	`dingo fuccker`
`12:30.28`	`Dogmai`	`In Soviet Australia, Kangaroos ride you`
`12:30.52`	`Taintedwisp`	`yeah you would know quite abit about kangaroos riding people, aye...........mate`
`12:30.57`	`DeadZergling`	`must be soviet australia in your house every night then`
`12:31.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`< still thinks the only good thing from austrailia is Subway`
`12:31.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`Subway is delicious....`
`12:32.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`I'm just fuckin with ya dogmai, :P.`
`12:33.05`	`Dogmai`	`So is the kangaroo apparently`
`12:33.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`hahaha`
`12:33.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`so kangaroos are fuckin with ya?`
`12:33.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`thats pretty gross`
`12:34.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`its 7:30 AM im not even a bit tired..`
`12:34.18`	`Taintedwisp`	`Did not sleep at all last night`
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`12:37.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0HzZ78QtLQ`
`12:37.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`WOW WHAT TROLLING`
`12:44.18`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Thenarden (~Miranda@HSI-KBW-078-043-003-192.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de)`
`12:45.00`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Dryeyece (~chatzilla@dpc674591010.direcpc.com)`
`12:47.26`	`Dryeyece`	`am i connected?`
`12:47.31`	`TwoDie`	`no`
`12:47.37`	`Dryeyece`	`damn`
`12:49.13`	`zenxu`	`so tofu should be released by now`
`12:49.15`	`zenxu`	`is it any good`
`12:49.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`NO GET OUT!!!`
`12:49.52`	`Taintedwisp`	`WHERES TOFU!!!`
`12:49.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`12:50.19`	`zenxu`	`so tainted did you find a job?`
`12:50.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`nopr`
`12:51.07`	`zenxu`	`aww`
`12:51.16`	`zenxu`	`I need a new job`
`12:51.23`	`zenxu`	`I was 2 months at internship`
`12:51.28`	`zenxu`	`now im jobless again`
`12:51.47`	`zenxu`	`well I do school stuff a little bit too`
`12:51.51`	`zenxu`	`but dont have much of that either`
`12:51.59`	`zenxu`	`THEY TOOK OUR JOBSSSSSS`
`12:52.08`	`zenxu`	`that actually aplies to me`
`12:52.14`	`zenxu`	`some asshole was just hired so they wouldnt hire me`
`12:52.15`	`zenxu`	`bitches`
`12:53.27`	`zenxu`	`so was the tofu released?!?!?`
`12:53.38`	`zenxu`	`or were we "fooled"`
`12:53.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`THE TOFU IS A LIE!!!!`
`12:54.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`Be honest Dryeyece, its just a rickroll video right? you load the map, pick your hero, and your rick rolled...`
`12:55.29`	`zenxu`	`well that would be some dedicated trolling for sure`
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`12:57.28`	`Dryeyece`	`huh?`
`12:57.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`trolol`
`12:58.13`	`Dryeyece`	`tofu is going to be available for play on the HoTs Beta monday`
`12:58.36`	`Dryeyece`	`I can get either of you a beta account if you need one`
`12:58.44`	`Dogmai`	`It was meant to be today -_- I am not impressed.`
`12:59.05`	`Dryeyece`	`Well nothing is stopping you from uploading it to the HoTs beta right now`
`12:59.09`	`Dogmai`	`I can still upload a version today, but theres no rush. Things happened outside our control.`
`12:59.34`	`Dogmai`	`And its got nothing to do with Dryeyece or I`
`12:59.36`	`zenxu`	`bwahhahaah`
`12:59.36`	`Dryeyece`	`I need to do a couple of the tooltips for the heroes who had mispelled text keys`
`12:59.38`	`zenxu`	`I knew this`
`12:59.40`	`zenxu`	`bwahahha`
`12:59.41`	`zenxu`	`:D`
`12:59.44`	`Dogmai`	`No, as I saw zen`
`12:59.47`	`Dryeyece`	`and then you could disable 4 heroes and upload`
`12:59.49`	`Dogmai`	`I can upload a version now, its no problem`
`12:59.55`	`Dogmai`	`said zen*`
`12:59.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`hahah`
`13:00.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`How can you get more beta accounts Dryeyece :P`
`13:00.06`	`zenxu`	`its fine, what does couple days even mean`
`13:00.07`	`zenxu`	`:D`
`13:00.12`	`Dogmai`	`he cant, I can get them`
`13:00.13`	`Dryeyece`	`I had the flu and didnt work on it for 3 days`
`13:00.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`< Already has beta, but am cursious`
`13:00.23`	`Dogmai`	`He gets them from me~`
`13:00.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`ahh`
`13:00.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`Where you get them?`
`13:00.34`	`Dogmai`	`I steal them from blizzard`
`13:00.36`	`Dogmai`	`I found their vault key`
`13:00.39`	`Dryeyece`	`no I get them from blizzard same as you`
`13:00.39`	`Dogmai`	`I haxor their servers`
`13:00.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`< been trying to get one for my data editor`
`13:00.47`	`Dogmai`	`Im in their Irvine, tampering with their tubes`
`13:00.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`13:01.18`	`Dogmai`	`Basically, as Dry said, its only 4 heroes that need tooltips updated.`
`13:01.34`	`Dogmai`	`There is nothing from us uploading it right now, as tooltips dont really matter.`
`13:01.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`Ahhh Soo monday? cool`
`13:01.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`Ill check it out`
`13:01.51`	`Dogmai`	`But what I was thinking, is that I will upload a version now`
`13:01.53`	`Dogmai`	`we can check it out`
`13:01.57`	`Dogmai`	`Just dont use those 4 heroes`
`13:02.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`the main thing i wanna see is how your heroes are selected :P`
`13:02.28`	`Dogmai`	`its an arcade screen`
`13:02.31`	`Dogmai`	`like street fighter`
`13:02.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`< Releasing EvoFrenzy New YEARS!!!!!!... or alteast my data editor says we will be able to`
`13:02.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`Ahh cool`
`13:03.04`	`Dogmai`	`Good news is, a very old friend of mine is going to do the voiceovers for tofu`
`13:03.07`	`Dogmai`	`At least for the chinese`
`13:03.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`LOL`
`13:03.22`	`Dogmai`	`Maybe for the english as well`
`13:03.41`	`Dryeyece`	`hes been trying to get Maximus Black to do some voiceover for the English version but we havent gotten any response from him yet`
`13:03.43`	`Taintedwisp`	`You know who does great voiceovers? and will do them for 1 big mac?`
`13:03.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`A random bum on the side of the street`
`13:03.55`	`Dryeyece`	`lol`
`13:03.57`	`Dogmai`	`We wanted Maximus Black to do the tofu voiceovers`
`13:04.04`	`Dogmai`	`We thought it would be awesome`
`13:04.12`	`Dogmai`	`But sadly, we are no bodies`
`13:04.22`	`Dogmai`	`Come this time next week, it may be a different story`
`13:04.24`	`Dryeyece`	`speak for yourself I am a legend`
`13:04.31`	`Dogmai`	`You are less known than me`
`13:04.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol'`
`13:04.38`	`Dogmai`	`Your the guy who does all the work and gets no credit`
`13:04.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`You both Pale in comparison to the great and mighty Taintedwisp`
`13:04.47`	`Dryeyece`	`Legend say, he is really 3 people who alternate mapping`
`13:05.02`	`Dryeyece`	`thats a quote from an anaonymous source talking about how insanely awesome i am`
`13:05.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`hahaha`
`13:06.17`	`Dogmai`	`~who is taintedwisp`
`13:06.17`	`purl`	`somebody said taintedwisp was a niggerjew`
`13:06.25`	`zenxu`	`you not even amking promo video for tofu release?`
`13:06.26`	`Dogmai`	`lawl`
`13:06.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`~ who is Dogmai`
`13:06.32`	`purl`	`Taintedwisp: I think you lost me on that one`
`13:06.32`	`Dogmai`	`we are`
`13:06.35`	`zenxu`	`I would like to see whats up with it atleast`
`13:06.43`	`Taintedwisp`	`SEE DOGMAI IS A NOBODY!!!`
`13:06.50`	`Dogmai`	`~Dogmai is your god, and he bites!`
`13:06.50`	`purl`	`...but dogmai is already something else...`
`13:06.56`	`Dogmai`	`~who is dogmai`
`13:06.56`	`purl`	`[dogmai] a jew`
`13:07.01`	`Dogmai`	`dumbass`
`13:07.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`13:07.15`	`Dogmai`	`We are making a video`
`13:07.23`	`Dogmai`	`We are having vips star in it -_-`
`13:07.37`	`Dogmai`	`That is what has delayed release`
`13:07.41`	`Dogmai`	`They weren't free`
`13:08.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`what?`
`13:08.30`	`zenxu`	`just a tip`
`13:08.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`By vips, he means his mom...`
`13:08.35`	`zenxu`	`dont use sandstorm this time`
`13:08.37`	`zenxu`	`:D`
`13:08.47`	`zenxu`	`it did leave quite an impression for sure`
`13:09.12`	`Dogmai`	`nah, we got something better planned`
`13:09.16`	`Dogmai`	`an even more overused song`
`13:09.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`JUST A SMALL TOWN GIRL LIVING IN A LONELY WORLD!!!`
`13:09.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`that one?`
`13:09.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`DONT STOP BELIEVEING!!!!`
`13:10.39`	`zenxu`	`NO`
`13:10.46`	`zenxu`	`DONT YOU DARE USE GANGNAM STYLE`
`13:10.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`HEY YOU HOLD YOUR TOUNGE!!!, THATS A FUKN AMERICAN CLASSIC!!`
`13:11.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`ohh nbm`
`13:11.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`nvm`
`13:11.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`I thought you were gunna talk shit about jounry...`
`13:11.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`journey*`
`13:13.08`	`*** join/#sc2mapster duckies (53f1057d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.241.5.125)`
`13:16.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`Dogmai, Dryeyece, Im telling you this is the most appropriate background song for your video haah http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rfUYuIVbFg0`
`13:17.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`you know when you guys post your video imma make a reply and post Dont Stop Believeing :P`
`13:17.44`	`Dryeyece`	`ohh gfys tant lol`
`13:17.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`13:18.42`	`DeadZergling`	`I think the Thanksgiving song on youtube would be more appropiate`
`13:19.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`LOL, Listen to the song, and tell me 1 part that doesnt go with tofu :P, hahaha, I mean dryeyece IS just a small town girl after all`
`13:20.41`	`Dryeyece`	`I can really feel the love in the air tonight`
`13:21.07`	`DeadZergling`	`not sure if I can feel anything in the air`
`13:21.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P hey.... its morning haha`
`13:21.20`	`DeadZergling`	`the sound of roos behind dogmai is too distracting`
`13:21.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`13:21.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`Dryeyece HOW ABOUT THIS SONG THEN? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7DFsBcVMDA`
`13:21.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`13:22.13`	`Dogmai`	`I love dont stop believing`
`13:22.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`so do i`
`13:22.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`Im telling you its perfect.....`
`13:22.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`Because people have stopped believeing that tofu would ever come out`
`13:22.39`	`Dogmai`	`but i got something betterrrrrrrrrrrrrrr`
`13:22.46`	`Dryeyece`	`haha I dont have flash player on my new Alienware M18x yet`
`13:22.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`Better then journey?`
`13:22.57`	`Dogmai`	`yes`
`13:23.00`	`Dogmai`	`the glee version!`
`13:23.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`That song was Tom Sawyer from rush haha`
`13:23.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`EWWW`
`13:23.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`NOOO`
`13:23.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`EWWWWWWWW`
`13:23.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`EWWWW\EW\WWW`
`13:23.20`	`Dogmai`	`YES`
`13:23.22`	`Taintedwisp`	`You just made me puke Dogmai...`
`13:23.22`	`Dogmai`	`GLEE`
`13:23.24`	`Dogmai`	`GLEE`
`13:23.28`	`Dogmai`	`BABY BABY BABY`
`13:23.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`YOU HOLD YOUR TONGUE SIR!!!!`
`13:23.54`	`Taintedwisp`	`Dogmai is beibering it up...`
`13:24.25`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Yc3HhSl1Q`
`13:24.41`	`Dryeyece`	`he has bieber posters in his room, he is a total fanboi`
`13:24.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`I Wouldnt doubt it`
`13:24.59`	`Dogmai`	`i hate that fag`
`13:25.05`	`Dryeyece`	`you should see him do his Bieber dance`
`13:25.11`	`Dogmai`	`i hate the fact that gay people take offence to the word fag`
`13:25.14`	`Dogmai`	`gay people arn't fags`
`13:25.18`	`Dogmai`	`JB is a fag`
`13:25.35`	`Dogmai`	`Fag isnt even an insult for gay people in Australia`
`13:25.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`I TRY tO OFFEND BOTH GAYS AND FAGS, FUCK THOSE FAGGY ASS GAYS!!!`
`13:25.39`	`Dogmai`	`We have much better words`
`13:25.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`13:25.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`< Hateful person`
`13:25.58`	`Dogmai`	`I would dare say 80% of my friends are gay or bisexual`
`13:26.19`	`DeadZergling`	`didn't know roos were so dirty`
`13:26.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`I have a few gay friends... but They all realize i dont give a fuck if I offend them for being gay`
`13:27.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`To me, if your offended by being called something that means your ashamed of what your doing and shouldnt be doing it in the first fucking place, if your not ashamed then why be offended....`
`13:27.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`Regardless`
`13:27.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Q3Yc3HhSl1Q`
`13:27.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`AWESOME FUCKING VIDEO`
`13:28.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`Dogmai you must watch that video, it has everything aussies love`
`13:28.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`Like sand,... and desert...`
`13:29.33`	`DeadZergling`	`lol, we just full of great comments tonight huh?`
`13:29.41`	`Dogmai`	`do you like dubstep`
`13:30.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`Ehhh, it CAN be okay... but at the same time not really`
`13:30.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`Dubstep can get weird real fast...`
`13:30.48`	`Dogmai`	`I think dupstep can be really really shitty`
`13:30.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`To me, Dubstep sounds like a bad acid trip`
`13:30.51`	`Dogmai`	`but when done right`
`13:30.53`	`Dogmai`	`is really nice`
`13:30.54`	`Dogmai`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDxrGEeiS-A`
`13:31.04`	`Dogmai`	`I like this`
`13:32.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`eh, its okay i guess, Just sounds like an Evanescence wannabe mostly, and the rest sounds like generic Dubstep`
`13:32.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`The best one i have saw was the Shit.. i forgot the name of the song`
`13:33.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`Its actually a normal rock song that was transformed..`
`13:34.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`AHH here it is`
`13:34.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LXO-jKksQkM`
`13:35.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`And actually that song i like the original betta haha`
`13:36.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`So to answer your question, not really, I never cared much for Dubstep nor Techno, I dont hate them unlike rap or pop either though`
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`13:42.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`Well hey dogmai, Imma get about 3 1/2 hours of sleep so ill be back then :P doubt you will be online though lol`
`13:42.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`always fun bullshitting with ya`
`13:46.30`	`zenxu`	`yawn`
`13:46.36`	`zenxu`	`I got like 10-20 items to add`
`13:46.44`	`zenxu`	`so boring to make items`
`13:46.57`	`zenxu`	`not to mention my behavior handling for items is horrible`
`13:47.01`	`zenxu`	`which makes it horrible`
`13:47.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`People just have no Motivation for mapping in Sc2 it seems ,,, :(`
`13:47.20`	`zenxu`	`(need to check for set items and so forth)`
`13:47.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`No one is ever excited.`
`13:47.29`	`zenxu`	`Im actually pretty motivated`
`13:47.39`	`zenxu`	`but some things are more anoying to do than other`
`13:47.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`You should be like : AWW SHIT NIGGA I GOT DIS NEW ITEM I JUST THOUGHT UP DATS GUNNA BE BADASS`
`13:47.58`	`zenxu`	`Itemization is HUGELY important for RPG thou`
`13:48.00`	`zenxu`	`so...`
`13:48.01`	`zenxu`	`gotta do it`
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`13:51.54`	`DeadZergling`	`lol, always fun to add a bunch of items at once huh zenxu`
`13:52.09`	`zenxu`	`yea...`
`13:52.27`	`DeadZergling`	`oddly enough weapons don't seem so bad`
`13:52.34`	`DeadZergling`	`probably because they actually do something`
`13:53.13`	`zenxu`	`its mostly how you do the stuff and how complex your itemization is`
`13:53.40`	`zenxu`	`they "anoying part" comes from handling items passive abilities and my crafting system and equipment system`
`13:53.46`	`zenxu`	`there is like quite many things I need to modify`
`13:53.48`	`zenxu`	`shops too`
`13:54.04`	`DeadZergling`	`crafting eh, thought about adding that, but then remembered how much I hate doing it`
`13:54.10`	`DeadZergling`	`so why add a crapola feature, lol`
`13:54.24`	`zenxu`	`?`
`13:54.35`	`zenxu`	`well`
`13:54.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`I am considering making an RPG :P`
`13:54.42`	`DeadZergling`	`oh, I just clicked combine one too many times in everquest`
`13:54.44`	`zenxu`	`its not that hard to add crafting system`
`13:54.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`Considering being a strong word though]`
`13:54.51`	`DeadZergling`	`master artisan on multiple races`
`13:54.53`	`DeadZergling`	`that kind of thing`
`13:54.54`	`zenxu`	`I only need to change couple values`
`13:54.57`	`zenxu`	`when I add new items`
`13:55.02`	`DeadZergling`	`so I've had my fill of tradeskilling`
`13:55.06`	`zenxu`	`but I guess I still could improve my code`
`13:55.16`	`zenxu`	`cause its pretty easilly "bugged"`
`13:55.23`	`DeadZergling`	`aye, don't want that`
`13:56.28`	`zenxu`	`but Im finally starting to see where I wana go with itemization`
`13:56.33`	`zenxu`	`somehow Iv had trouble with it`
`13:56.44`	`DeadZergling`	`what exactly do you mean by itemization?`
`13:56.49`	`zenxu`	`you get set bonus from 2 set items`
`13:56.50`	`DeadZergling`	`like how to categorize items?`
`13:57.01`	`DeadZergling`	`oh, I see`
`13:57.04`	`zenxu`	`so you can combine like some sets together`
`13:57.13`	`DeadZergling`	`give people a bonus for having certain armors together`
`13:57.19`	`zenxu`	`its still pretty basic system`
`13:57.24`	`zenxu`	`but something I feel is good enough`
`13:57.46`	`zenxu`	`unique items also have their own passive abilities`
`13:57.47`	`DeadZergling`	`aye, basic case statements would cover it really`
`13:58.09`	`zenxu`	`and probly legendaries will also have their own passives`
`13:58.16`	`DeadZergling`	`just using extra behaviors for those?`
`13:58.25`	`DeadZergling`	`or is your damage handled via triggers?`
`13:58.36`	`zenxu`	`I mainly use behaviors for items`
`13:58.45`	`zenxu`	`I guess I use some triggers too for harder abilities`
`13:58.58`	`DeadZergling`	`good to be able to use both really`
`13:59.10`	`DeadZergling`	`some things triggers alone or data alone just can't do that well`
`14:00.22`	`DeadZergling`	`that's cool anyways, haven't done anything too fancy w/ items yet myself, just weapons and stat boosts`
`14:00.24`	`DeadZergling`	`that's about it`
`14:15.30`	`Otixa`	`Mornin`
`14:16.56`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Thenarden (~Miranda@HSI-KBW-078-043-003-192.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de)`
`14:17.45`	`Zolden`	`afternoon`
`14:19.07`	`TwoDie`	`night`
`14:44.14`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Monkalizer (53b4b4a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.180.180.160)`
`14:45.07`	`Monkalizer`	`hi all! what do you think about the new forums at us.battle.net?`
`14:45.17`	`TheSkunk__`	`Mixed feelings`
`14:45.24`	`Monkalizer`	`personally i feel a bit left out`
`14:45.31`	`Monkalizer`	`as eu citizen`
`14:45.52`	`TheSkunk__`	`Well, the devs have EU accounts now at least =P`
`14:45.52`	`Monkalizer`	`but yeah, i think it good that they are gathering people and resources under their own umberella`
`14:45.52`	`TheSkunk__`	`So they can post over there`
`14:45.58`	`Monkalizer`	`hehe`
`14:46.05`	`TheSkunk__`	`Well, the forums will all be dead for a while`
`14:46.13`	`TheSkunk__`	`will take ages for them to pick up steam`
`14:46.20`	`TheSkunk__`	`the jump from 1 forum to 12 is huge`
`14:46.23`	`TheSkunk__`	`but at the same time`
`14:46.29`	`TheSkunk__`	`I believe we will see the devs post more now`
`14:46.32`	`TheSkunk__`	`so that might help`
`14:47.19`	`Monkalizer`	`yep`
`14:48.10`	`Monkalizer`	`i dont like the fact that you cant upload stuff directly into the forums, like attaching maps and code and such`
`14:48.21`	`TheSkunk__`	`But yeah.. it takes a effort to check all 12 when changes are between them all there are only 3 new posts ><`
`14:48.42`	`TheSkunk__`	`Yeah`
`14:48.56`	`Monkalizer`	`thats a good point`
`14:49.12`	`TheSkunk__`	`But that would require "drastic" changes to forum software rather then simply adding new subforums which they can do really easily`
`14:49.18`	`Monkalizer`	`it would have been enough with a data and a trigger room`
`14:49.19`	`TheSkunk__`	`They have a pretty small web dev team =X`
`14:49.34`	`Monkalizer`	`and an asset room for modelling and .dds file management`
`14:49.51`	`TheSkunk__`	`And one showcase area`
`14:49.51`	`Monkalizer`	`yep, you are probably right`
`14:49.58`	`Monkalizer`	`yes`
`14:49.58`	`TheSkunk__`	`rather then 1 for melee, mods, and arcade`
`14:50.00`	`TheSkunk__`	`seperately`
`14:50.15`	`TheSkunk__`	`I dunno, we'll see if it works out`
`14:50.23`	`Monkalizer`	`and remove all crap from the showcase area - like someone just posted some bs topic, it should only be for showcases`
`14:50.35`	`TheSkunk__`	`I think the official forums could become great mapping forums`
`14:50.45`	`TheSkunk__`	`but expecting them to switch to 1 kinda inactive forum`
`14:50.48`	`Monkalizer`	`i guess its quite easy to aggregate the forums if neccessary`
`14:50.48`	`TheSkunk__`	`to 12 active forums..`
`14:50.52`	`TheSkunk__`	`not gonna happen that fast`
`14:51.15`	`TheSkunk__`	`I wish there was a way to see if there were new posts in each section`
`14:51.22`	`TheSkunk__`	`without manually checking them all`
`14:51.25`	`Monkalizer`	`well, being an eu forumer i cant post anyway so its quite pointless for me :)`
`14:51.50`	`Dustin`	`oh hi guyss`
`14:51.55`	`TheSkunk__`	`Hey dustin`
`14:52.06`	`Monkalizer`	`even showcasing is pointless since i cant poublish them at us servers`
`14:52.06`	`Monkalizer`	`hello`
`14:52.30`	`Monkalizer`	`whats your take on the new forums?`
`14:52.43`	`Dustin`	`Way too many`
`14:52.50`	`Monkalizer`	`our opinion too :)`
`14:53.33`	`Dustin`	`The current 1 Cusom Map forum wouldnt even cycle front page entrys for like a week`
`14:53.43`	`Dustin`	`I dont understand the point of 12 different ones :P`
`14:54.19`	`zenxu`	`yea...`
`14:54.23`	`zenxu`	`put does it even matter`
`14:54.24`	`Zolden`	`G0A: havve you released a new random td?`
`14:54.38`	`zenxu`	`there is absolutely 0 reasons to post on bnet forums (unless devs ask for that)`
`14:55.11`	`Dustin`	`Ill probably just stop going to the forums all together, I dont have time to be sifting through that many forums!`
`14:55.23`	`Monkalizer`	`a major caveat is that its na only, it will be hard to pick up steam`
`14:55.58`	`zenxu`	`we should not even talk about blizzard design choises`
`14:56.02`	`zenxu`	`somehow I get a little bit angry`
`14:56.06`	`zenxu`	`just thinking about it all`
`14:56.11`	`Zolden`	`we - mappers from mapster - must regularly come to official forums and bully noob mappers there`
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`14:56.20`	`duckies`	`ah, their forums..`
`14:56.44`	`TheSkunk__`	`how long do you bet it'll take until every section has 1 post that isn't spam?`
`14:56.48`	`duckies`	`I think it's funny, they took the least active forum, and split it into 15 parts :D`
`14:56.51`	`TheSkunk__`	`2 months? ;P`
`14:57.07`	`Dustin`	`If we're lucky Skunk`
`14:57.09`	`zenxu`	`yea :D`
`14:57.31`	`Dustin`	`Might be when the new player influx from LOTV comes`
`14:57.32`	`zenxu`	`blizz...what ar u doin...blizzz....staph`
`15:00.16`	`TheSkunk__`	`deletarius seemed to think it wouldn't matter if they were inactive, because at least I'd be more organized`
`15:00.20`	`TheSkunk__`	`not sure I agree though`
`15:01.12`	`TheSkunk__`	`"<Blizz-Deletarius> we really wanted to break it up because we wanted targeted information and responses"`
`15:01.22`	`TheSkunk__`	`"<Blizz-Deletarius> now our developers who are specialized in certain areas such as say the data module or the cut scene editor"`
`15:01.27`	`TheSkunk__`	`"<Blizz-Deletarius> can focus directly on answering those issues"`
`15:01.39`	`TheSkunk__`	`=\|`
`15:01.52`	`duckies`	`"our developer".. they mean blizz staff or what? :D`
`15:02.09`	`Monkalizer`	`i think it would be better if they had a wiki than those forums`
`15:02.09`	`TheSkunk__`	`Tenarsis, Artestru, Deletarius himself, etc`
`15:02.23`	`TheSkunk__`	`there were about 7 of them when they were first annouced just not many of them post much`
`15:02.41`	`duckies`	`yeah, I don't like this split either`
`15:02.43`	`TheSkunk__`	`Xuzaca.. Roto`
`15:03.13`	`Monkalizer`	`or perhaps a "journal" type of system, where people can post things, and then they can refuse it if they dont think it lives up the a sertain quality level`
`15:03.35`	`Monkalizer`	`like the scientific community does it`
`15:03.48`	`TheSkunk__`	`Tbh`
`15:03.59`	`TheSkunk__`	`I think the best think`
`15:04.11`	`TheSkunk__`	`would have been to implement official tagging system`
`15:04.19`	`TheSkunk__`	`where you have to choose a tag`
`15:04.20`	`TheSkunk__`	`before posting`
`15:04.29`	`TheSkunk__`	`rather then most people just not doing it like before`
`15:04.35`	`TheSkunk__`	`or moderators editing them in`
`15:04.50`	`TheSkunk__`	`Because they tried doing that before these changes came around`
`15:05.04`	`Monkalizer`	`might be hard to introduce a new data type to their systems`
`15:05.07`	`TheSkunk__`	`Then they'd all be in one forum but you could easily tell`
`15:05.15`	`TheSkunk__`	`It would be, I'm sure :P`
`15:05.29`	`Monkalizer`	`but i agree with you`
`15:05.37`	`TheSkunk__`	`Just like it'd be "hard" for them to allow you to upload maps`
`15:05.41`	`Monkalizer`	`mapster could really use that kind of tagging system too`
`15:06.00`	`Monkalizer`	`its a pain to search the forums for help right now`
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`15:06.23`	`Monkalizer`	`im implementing a tag search option into my custom quest library :)`
`15:07.45`	`Zolden`	`so, u've got first quest - implement a tag search option`
`15:08.26`	`Monkalizer`	`huh? not following you zolden`
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`15:09.04`	`Zolden`	`because you're following your quest`
`15:11.58`	`Dustin`	`anyone NA wanna hop on bnet and test mym ap?`
`15:12.43`	`TheSkunk__`	`Whut map?`
`15:12.57`	`TheSkunk__`	`I prolly can, just gotta log out of the beta`
`15:13.30`	`duckies`	`what type is your map dustin?`
`15:13.33`	`Dustin`	`My Base Race map`
`15:13.46`	`TheSkunk__`	`TheSkunk#386`
`15:13.46`	`duckies`	`based on melee?`
`15:13.49`	`Dustin`	`1 player plays RTS, the other 4 play Hero Defense/Offense`
`15:13.58`	`duckies`	`vs ai?`
`15:14.05`	`TheSkunk__`	`I is logged on`
`15:14.26`	`Dustin`	`Vs the computer controled guys yes duckies`
`15:14.33`	`duckies`	`sounds good`
`15:14.41`	`duckies`	`I'll be in mapster channel in a minute`
`15:24.39`	`zenxu`	`aww man`
`15:24.49`	`zenxu`	`some peopel just can play on NA`
`15:24.50`	`zenxu`	`:(`
`15:27.57`	`Monkalizer`	`now i made a post about the new forums at the eu forums`
`15:28.34`	`Zolden`	`and post apost about you posted a post about new forum on eu forum`
`15:29.23`	`Monkalizer`	`lol zolden are you drunk?`
`15:30.04`	`Zolden`	`because i'm from russia?`
`15:30.28`	`Monkalizer`	`no, but your posts here seem a bit extra corny today`
`15:30.45`	`Zolden`	`maybe i did toom nay recursive triggers`
`15:30.51`	`Zolden`	`too many`
`15:31.02`	`Monkalizer`	`yeah`
`15:31.17`	`Monkalizer`	`i ment funny, not corny`
`15:31.51`	`Zolden`	`alright, then i won't call police of niceness`
`15:31.57`	`Monkalizer`	`my brain is not working today :(`
`15:32.31`	`Zolden`	`catch a baby, take its brain, eat, it will refresh yours`
`15:32.57`	`Monkalizer`	`hm thats a strategy ive not heard of before`
`15:33.34`	`Zolden`	`aliens do this every day, it's the only way they can survive on earth`
`15:34.33`	`Otixa`	`Flying to Bulgaria`
`15:34.33`	`TwoDie`	`heh, i guess i need to get drunk :/`
`15:34.35`	`Otixa`	`Laters`
`15:36.03`	`Repo`	`New announcement: HOTS Beta Key contest winners - WTE #107 - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/hots-beta-key-contest-winners-wte-107/`
`15:42.09`	`Zolden`	`TwoDie: get drunk, call everyone dicks, punch someone in the face, vomit on a chick's boobs, fall in sleep while fucking her in the mouth`
`15:42.42`	`TwoDie`	`Zolden unicorns?`
`15:43.01`	`Zolden`	`unimouthes`
`15:52.13`	`Saeris`	`morning all`
`15:52.17`	`Dustin`	`Woot, got alot of good notes and bugs from that run, thanks duckies and Skunk!`
`15:52.22`	`TheSkunk__`	`no`
`15:52.23`	`TheSkunk__`	`np`
`15:52.26`	`TheSkunk__`	`man`
`15:52.29`	`duckies`	`ookay`
`15:52.31`	`TheSkunk__`	`my typos today ><`
`15:53.10`	`Dustin`	`hehe`
`15:53.17`	`duckies`	`I'd just like to note that I didn't find firebat very exciting since I could play him just by positioning him at the ramp, pressing "hold pos" and alt-tabbing to browse web`
`15:53.35`	`Dustin`	`Yeah, That's a problem Ive been thinking alot about`
`15:53.37`	`TheSkunk__`	`A lot of the game was that way, though`
`15:53.43`	`TheSkunk__`	`I only had to occasionally build things`
`15:53.54`	`TheSkunk__`	`and rarely when one of you died move my bio back so it didn't die`
`15:54.04`	`Dustin`	`Yeah I got alot of gameflow balance and content to add still`
`15:54.09`	`TheSkunk__`	`Rest of it was.. hum te tum, waiting for more monies`
`15:54.20`	`TheSkunk__`	`so I can click one button to make something a little unnoticably better`
`15:54.28`	`duckies`	`would be nice to have more upgrade options, not just "need to upgrade armor now or die"`
`15:54.41`	`Dustin`	`Yeah and there will be`
`15:54.53`	`TheSkunk__`	`Like, took me 4 minutes to upgrade my turrets and I never really noticed them EVER become useful`
`15:54.56`	`TheSkunk__`	`compared to you guys`
`15:55.07`	`Dustin`	`I have 12 guns/12armors plannedo tut all with their own unique upgrades and abilities`
`15:55.14`	`duckies`	`and more enemy diversity, maybe some siege weapons so that we need to time our assault or be forced to retread under fire`
`15:55.44`	`Dustin`	`Im really surprised the alien healers never spawned`
`15:55.59`	`Dustin`	`They have a 1/6 chance to spawn per wave after 10`
`15:56.02`	`TheSkunk__`	`yeah, some of it could just be solved by an increased rate of progress and more options`
`15:56.37`	`duckies`	`and limiting splas was kinda silly, it's the only micro mechaninc you have for firebat (get enemies in line for max damage) and yet you limit it from the start, and I can't even get enough of its upgrades since I need armor not to die`
`15:57.25`	`duckies`	`well, best of luck on the map, just please, don't balance the fun out of the map :D`
`15:57.29`	`Dustin`	`The microing will come into effect with abilities`
`15:57.58`	`Dustin`	`Which will control the flow of the waves and make it alot more interactive`
`15:58.12`	`Dustin`	`I should probably make those today`
`15:58.17`	`duckies`	`hm, rereading what I write makes me wonder how can I spell so bad x_x`
`15:58.28`	`Dustin`	`Lol shit happens`
`15:59.51`	`duckies`	`hm, I checked d3 news site, apperently everyone continue to hate on D3 cause it still doesn't have PvP :D`
`16:01.20`	`Dustin`	`As soon as I finished D3's short story I was done`
`16:01.33`	`Dustin`	`It just doesnt have the replayabilityl ike D1 or D2 had`
`16:02.25`	`duckies`	`yet some still play it... not me though`
`16:02.41`	`Zolden`	`bots play it`
`16:02.49`	`Zolden`	`gathering gold`
`16:04.22`	`duckies`	`yeah, blizz made a great game for bots :D`
`16:09.48`	`Dustin`	`D3 = Bots + Ebay`
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`16:31.30`	`Dustin`	`http://www.ted.com/talks/dean_kamen_previews_a_new_prosthetic_arm.html`
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`16:47.12`	`G0A`	`duckies_ inv`
`16:52.17`	`Saeris`	`yawn`
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`16:55.14`	`ThunderLord`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:11.45`	`zenxu`	`MAKING MORE ITEMS`
`17:11.51`	`zenxu`	`I got 40 items in mah game`
`17:11.57`	`zenxu`	`even thou it doesnt seem like there would be so many :/`
`17:13.53`	`Zolden`	`do you have a "poop" item?`
`17:14.10`	`zenxu`	`no, you sick bastard`
`17:14.46`	`Dustin`	`Zolden, make me a poop model`
`17:15.11`	`Zolden`	`ew, how will i search for textures?`
`17:15.20`	`Zolden`	`use zealot model as poop`
`17:16.14`	`Zolden`	`actually, i remember a pile something model, it can llok like some kind of poop if properly tinted`
`17:16.58`	`Dustin`	`i dont really need a poop model :P`
`17:17.51`	`TwoDie`	`seems like zolden step out of bed wrong foot :]`
`17:28.09`	`zenxu`	`btw`
`17:28.15`	`zenxu`	`I found amazing manga yesterday`
`17:28.23`	`zenxu`	`it was about bathing :D`
`17:28.28`	`zenxu`	`but it was good`
`17:28.39`	`zenxu`	`interesting how they can do some weird shit that is so funny`
`17:30.54`	`G0A`	`one word: Japanese`
`17:58.14`	`Zolden`	`are there japanese mappers?`
`17:58.40`	`Zolden`	`they could make a godzilla td`
`17:59.22`	`TwoDie`	`they already did i think`
`18:00.29`	`Zolden`	`jk <- my cat just jumped and typed this`
`18:03.07`	`TwoDie`	`my cat just jumped and started sleeping on me`
`18:07.55`	`TwoDie`	`and now i cant get my second bottle of bear :/`
`18:11.14`	`G0A`	`bear:D`
`18:11.55`	`duckies_`	`so`
`18:12.15`	`duckies_`	`any EU volunteers for a test?`
`18:12.16`	`duckies_`	`:D`
`18:12.57`	`G0A`	`k`
`18:13.00`	`duckies_`	`zenxu, zolden, twodie, monkalizer, exaken, same thing the last time`
`18:13.10`	`Exaken`	`yea sure`
`18:13.21`	`duckies_`	`great`
`18:14.29`	`duckies_`	`coome on, less afk more test test!`
`18:15.07`	`Zolden`	`sry, just switched to dinner consuming mode`
`18:15.17`	`duckies_`	`aaw damn`
`18:15.59`	`TwoDie`	`yeah`
`18:16.02`	`TwoDie`	`a bear :DDD`
`18:16.06`	`duckies_`	`I guess same would apply to everyone else, looking at what time it is now`
`18:16.44`	`TwoDie`	`ok i may cum any time soon there`
`18:18.45`	`zenxu`	`mm`
`18:18.53`	`zenxu`	`I think im trying to map a bit more`
`18:18.57`	`zenxu`	`so test shall wait`
`18:19.33`	`TwoDie`	`ok im ready heave my cheese, beer and onions!`
`18:19.41`	`duckies_`	`:/`
`18:25.32`	`zenxu`	`maybe later today thou`
`18:25.35`	`zenxu`	`caues it was funn`
`18:25.37`	`zenxu`	`whats new btw?`
`18:26.51`	`TwoDie`	`meanwhile listening to gladiator soundtrack!`
`18:42.35`	`Zolden`	`done, feels like that jesus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4A1o3ZCHzE`
`18:45.38`	`duckies_`	`zenxu, your respawn unit is selected after you die, and it's faster.. aand we already did the test, so I think I'll port it now and be done with it for a while`
`18:47.13`	`zenxu`	`oki`
`19:12.36`	`zenxu`	`hmpf cannot remembver howw behavior damage response works`
`19:13.10`	`zenxu`	`does it set incoming damamge to 0 if enenmy attacks 20 and you have -30 on damage response amount?`
`19:17.05`	`Zolden`	`just experiment`
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`19:17.51`	`Batomys`	`Hi, hello`
`19:17.59`	`Zolden`	`hi`
`19:18.12`	`Batomys`	`Anyone have experience working with conjoined behavior?`
`19:18.55`	`Batomys`	`(train car, from campaign)`
`19:22.02`	`TwoDie`	`Anyone knows how to make dialog images to have less priority than Game UI (minimap, buttons, units info panel) and make them nicely blend to corners of the screen and the middle UI units info panel to have lenght from minimap to commands panel lengh while u can change the screen resolution and ratio and it would look nice!`
`19:25.03`	`Batomys`	`I can't get healing the conjoined units to work properly, gah`
`19:26.43`	`TwoDie`	`http://snag.gy/o4QzX.jpg`
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`19:27.19`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Morning guys`
`19:27.43`	`TwoDie`	`hey!`
`19:27.44`	`TwoDie`	`http://snag.gy/o4QzX.jpg`
`19:31.12`	`G0A`	`TwoDie I used UI as dialog backgrounds:D`
`19:31.13`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`That's cool, I like the new frames. :)`
`19:31.18`	`zenxu`	`wooot`
`19:31.21`	`zenxu`	`artestruuuu`
`19:31.22`	`zenxu`	`wooot`
`19:31.36`	`zenxu`	`hows it going artestru`
`19:31.53`	`TwoDie`	`how its possible? :O`
`19:31.59`	`TwoDie`	`G0A`
`19:32.10`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Not bad, just enjoying some coffee and the new forums. :)`
`19:32.20`	`zenxu`	`you just chilling out or actually workin?`
`19:32.32`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Just chilling, I'm not at work.`
`19:32.38`	`zenxu`	`well thats cool`
`19:32.40`	`duckies_`	`it's not the workday silly zenxu :D`
`19:32.48`	`G0A`	`I just made sure that the dialog items wont be outside of the ui background on any res.`
`19:32.52`	`zenxu`	`well I never seen them here on weekends`
`19:33.20`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I was in the mood to log in since I was reading the forums anyway. :)`
`19:33.28`	`duckies_`	`yes, an extraordinary event, surely a sign of the end-days :D`
`19:33.29`	`G0A`	`which is pretty easy as there isnt big difference... so I have the same dialog items for every screen resolution`
`19:33.36`	`zenxu`	`its always nice to have couple more people`
`19:33.58`	`duckies_`	`so goa, I'm done eating. Slide?`
`19:34.10`	`zenxu`	`is there anything new on random slide?`
`19:34.27`	`duckies_`	`yes, more bugs and annoying flame obstacles :D`
`19:34.41`	`duckies_`	`but it's much cooler than it used to be`
`19:34.41`	`zenxu`	`hah`
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`19:34.48`	`duckies_`	`so you should try it out regardless`
`19:34.52`	`G0A`	`Blizz-Artestru will EU get subforums too or ....`
`19:34.52`	`zenxu`	`it was pretty cool already, allthou that one minigame was shitty`
`19:35.05`	`duckies_`	`which one?`
`19:35.10`	`Zolden`	`G0A: do you use data movement in the slides?`
`19:35.20`	`TwoDie`	`G0A ok so dialog not dialog items is under the default UI did u used any priority to make it not overlap the default UI?`
`19:35.35`	`G0A`	`Zolden no`
`19:35.36`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I think they are, but I'm not sure. I'm surprised the forums even changed yesterday since we had a half day for our holiday party. They may not have had enough time to do both EU and US.`
`19:36.06`	`Zolden`	`duckies_: why don't you make wasd for bomberman?`
`19:36.26`	`duckies_`	`cause I feel that wasd will suck D:`
`19:36.38`	`G0A`	`TwoDie no, I didnt if I remember well, but it was a long time ago.`
`19:36.54`	`Zolden`	`duckies_: command card wasd is as fast as click`
`19:37.06`	`G0A`	`TwoDie I can send you my layout file`
`19:37.08`	`duckies_`	`you need triggers for good wasd`
`19:37.17`	`Zolden`	`duckies_: he-he`
`19:37.18`	`duckies_`	`to detect button hold`
`19:37.26`	`Zolden`	`good data is enough`
`19:37.33`	`Zolden`	`even for that`
`19:37.46`	`Zolden`	`i'll use it in my retro-remake`
`19:37.50`	`TwoDie`	`G0A i would really appreciate it :)`
`19:38.20`	`duckies_`	`well, it's good in singleplayer, but for multiplayer I'm really discouraged to use it`
`19:38.31`	`duckies_`	`just play panda bound and you'll see :D`
`19:38.52`	`Zolden`	`hwat's panda bond?`
`19:39.07`	`duckies_`	`it's the best map on eu`
`19:39.15`	`Zolden`	`btw, was mass destruction wasd laggy?`
`19:39.29`	`duckies_`	`artestru, you should play panda bound too if you have a eu account`
`19:39.46`	`Zolden`	`ok, i'll try`
`19:39.50`	`zenxu`	`ducky`
`19:39.57`	`duckies_`	`yes zenxu`
`19:39.59`	`zenxu`	`dont you hate when people ask why dont you make wasd?`
`19:40.06`	`zenxu`	`I think its fucking retarded to even ask`
`19:40.44`	`duckies_`	`I just want to tell them to go make a multiplayer platformer map using wasd`
`19:41.01`	`zenxu`	`pretty weak comeback`
`19:41.04`	`zenxu`	`be more offensive`
`19:41.05`	`zenxu`	`:D`
`19:41.05`	`Zolden`	`i'll prove wasd rapes`
`19:41.29`	`duckies_`	`I find being offensive to be a weakness of character :D`
`19:41.39`	`zenxu`	`on internets its alowed`
`19:41.44`	`Zolden`	`zenxu, my map will wasd you all in the mouth <- offensive like this?`
`19:41.46`	`zenxu`	`as long as its not facebook I guess`
`19:41.57`	`duckies_`	`except when talking about b-net, it's absolutely fine to be disrespectfull to that :D`
`19:42.00`	`zenxu`	`yes much better zolden`
`19:42.12`	`zenxu`	`yes it is`
`19:42.19`	`zenxu`	`its almost like you dont fit in`
`19:42.21`	`zenxu`	`if you aint offensive`
`19:42.45`	`duckies_`	`I suppose I'll then need to create my own internetz`
`19:42.50`	`zenxu`	`photon discs did prove wasd can work in somecases thou`
`19:42.57`	`duckies_`	`and thus begins ducks plan for world domination`
`19:43.45`	`duckies_`	`yeah, I remember him being very proud for his wasd 3rd person game maps`
`19:44.01`	`duckies_`	`too bad he didn't share his way to us :/`
`19:45.03`	`zenxu`	`gah`
`19:45.11`	`zenxu`	`was wondering why my unit wont take damage`
`19:45.14`	`Zolden`	`duckies_: panda bound uses laggy triggers`
`19:45.18`	`zenxu`	`but +7 armor and attacking with SCVs`
`19:45.22`	`zenxu`	`scvs do 5 damage`
`19:45.24`	`zenxu`	`T_T`
`19:45.31`	`Zolden`	`and i can't pass the first thing`
`19:45.51`	`duckies_`	`even if you could, you wouldn't pass the second one :D`
`19:46.00`	`Zolden`	`zenxu: photon discs uses laggy triggers`
`19:46.46`	`duckies_`	`I don't count on data because of delay between first button press and allowance to spam button, that is defined in OS I think :/`
`19:47.05`	`G0A`	`TwoDie http://pastebin.com/xcWVK2DR`
`19:47.16`	`Zolden`	`duckies_: it can be fixed`
`19:47.24`	`duckies_`	`through sc2?`
`19:47.29`	`Zolden`	`yea`
`19:48.33`	`duckies_`	`okay, maybe I'll change my thoughts on wasd after you show me your awesome map which uses delay-less wasd in a 14 player enviroment on b-net :D`
`19:48.56`	`Zolden`	`and u'll include the music!`
`19:49.19`	`duckies_`	`I'll think about it`
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`19:49.22`	`duckies_`	`;p`
`19:49.31`	`zenxu`	`I think I might even get Alpha 3 ready next week`
`19:49.32`	`TwoDie`	`include some techno!!!`
`19:49.37`	`zenxu`	`what you think duckies`
`19:49.40`	`zenxu`	`should I make`
`19:49.50`	`zenxu`	`1 stone zealot boss hard`
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`19:49.58`	`zenxu`	`or 2 easy stone zealot bosses`
`19:50.00`	`Zolden`	`ok, fuck the music, mapas isn't yours anymore, blizz now dictates what you can or can not add`
`19:50.02`	`zenxu`	`"easy"`
`19:50.14`	`duckies_`	`hmm`
`19:50.15`	`zenxu`	`like in single boss fight`
`19:50.34`	`Zolden`	`just kidding, sure you can add whatever you want, you can prove it to yourself by adding the music`
`19:50.36`	`duckies_`	`go with 2 enemies, I like multiple targets`
`19:50.55`	`duckies_`	`and they can have nice assist abilities to help each other too then`
`19:51.24`	`zenxu`	`yea`
`19:52.02`	`duckies_`	`It's also the matter of style zolden, I don't think adding 8-bit music to a modern graphics game goes well with me ;\`
`19:52.12`	`Zolden`	`;/`
`19:53.02`	`Zolden`	`add it for 1 hour for me to play`
`19:53.29`	`Zolden`	`and then remove, place ti to the folder named "fucking trash" and remove from disc`
`19:55.21`	`duckies_`	`I'd rather place special message on loading screen: "To Zolden, go to youtube, find nes bomberman stage music, make it loop via "youtuberepeat.com", enjoy the nostalgia"`
`19:55.36`	`zenxu`	`haha`
`19:56.06`	`Zolden`	`looks like it's the only possibility ;/`
`19:56.27`	`duckies_`	`seems so ;\|`
`19:57.33`	`Zolden`	`destroys the world in anger like insane king kong`
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`19:58.53`	`duckies_`	`uses windows restore on world, we're now living at the beginning of times due to not having a habbit of making system backups`
`19:59.21`	`duckies_`	`slllide anyone?`
`20:02.24`	`Zolden`	`sliding between data and trigger editors`
`20:03.13`	`zenxu`	`anoyiiiiiiiiing`
`20:03.24`	`zenxu`	`some reason behavior doesnt disable itself`
`20:03.32`	`zenxu`	`with the validator`
`20:03.35`	`zenxu`	`I call bullshit`
`20:03.40`	`zenxu`	`the software is broken`
`20:03.54`	`TheSkunk__`	`anyone see http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7415511792?page=1#7 yet?`
`20:04.13`	`TheSkunk__`	`though, most people are probably bored of that topic by now >_>`
`20:05.21`	`zenxu`	`I dont really care about blizz forums`
`20:05.29`	`zenxu`	`I tried posting couple times on EU`
`20:05.34`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I saw it. :)`
`20:05.34`	`zenxu`	`I think I got 0 replies both times`
`20:05.37`	`zenxu`	`so thats that`
`20:05.44`	`TheSkunk__`	`Haha :D didn't see you in here Art`
`20:05.51`	`TheSkunk__`	`Yeah`
`20:06.02`	`TheSkunk__`	`Blizzard custom map forums have never been particularly active`
`20:06.33`	`TheSkunk__`	`They have to advertise them a map-making group that isn't aware of good online mapping forums yet for HotS`
`20:06.47`	`TheSkunk__`	`And make sure there are enough experienced users answering questions`
`20:06.57`	`TheSkunk__`	`and then it'll slowly become more active =)`
`20:07.05`	`TheSkunk__`	`EU is also less active then NA`
`20:10.03`	`duckies_`	`less active is a pretty generous way to describe EU custom maps forum activity ;/`
`20:10.15`	`zenxu`	`yea you better run after insulting EU forums`
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`20:13.34`	`duckies_`	`ooh, focke is back? that one year long forum ban sure didn't last long >.>`
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`20:16.07`	`TwoDie`	`What to write, missing in line: <Texture val="Textures/GameUI/ui_frame_brightbrownwhitenessedit3.dds"/>`
`20:16.15`	`TwoDie`	`.`
`20:17.13`	`zenxu`	`what did he do to get banned?`
`20:17.42`	`TheSkunk__`	`Who got banned, this time? =o`
`20:18.24`	`zenxu`	`nobody`
`20:18.33`	`TheSkunk__`	`Sinister`
`20:18.55`	`duckies_`	`yeah, nobody ever gets banned =(`
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`20:23.24`	`duckies_`	`hm, Tenarsis too is feeling restless on weekend. pretty cool`
`20:24.05`	`TheSkunk__`	`Yep =)`
`20:24.52`	`duckies_`	`Still, I wish they would do something cool for all of us. Maybe make a christmas based map right in time for holydays`
`20:26.29`	`duckies_`	`It's probably too much to ask, but even having that christmas map back in sc, somehow made me feel "aaw, they care"`
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`20:55.58`	`duckies_`	`who here is cool enough to play random slide? :D`
`20:56.24`	`TheSkunk__`	`05random slide01?`
`20:56.34`	`G0A`	`:D`
`20:57.00`	`G0A`	`wow, greatest 2d fractal zoom ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue8SYKx3Uu8`
`20:57.29`	`TheSkunk__`	`G0A's random slide map :o (cheated and googled)`
`20:57.34`	`Zolden`	`I'd like to see 3d fractal zoom`
`21:02.58`	`G0A`	`Zolden yeah 3d fractals are much more flash. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0clz6WLfWaY (sadly, its also much harder to render)`
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`21:07.25`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hey everyone`
`21:09.00`	`G0A`	`Zolden come to slide`
`21:09.15`	`Zolden`	`i'm vatching fractals!`
`21:09.19`	`Zolden`	`and then mapping`
`21:09.29`	`Zolden`	`slide without me`
`21:09.36`	`Zolden`	`i'm no use in arcades`
`21:09.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hey Artestru, surpised to see you here, Didnt think you guys worked saturdays`
`21:10.13`	`Zolden`	`now we need just 4d fractal - a 3d projection moving through 4d fractal body`
`21:10.21`	`G0A`	`Dam you Zolden, Than fix HOMM`
`21:11.12`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I'm not working. :)`
`21:11.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`Oh well welcome to fun and happy hour :P`
`21:11.25`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Just hanging out since I was reading the forums anyway.`
`21:11.25`	`Taintedwisp`	`\haha`
`21:11.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`Ahh cool`
`21:12.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yeah, I dunno why i picked that name for that thread, I wasnt trying to QQ, i was trying to start an honest feedback thread`
`21:12.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`Feel free to change the name of it to something less Whiny if you feel like.or since theres an official now, feel free to delete or lock it`
`21:13.13`	`TwoDie`	`1.235555`
`21:13.23`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Sure, I just renamed it to "Forum Split"`
`21:13.26`	`duckies_`	`artestru, you have EU account?`
`21:13.30`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I do`
`21:13.45`	`duckies_`	`you should have played random slide with us, but we already started :/`
`21:13.57`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Ahh, no worries. I'm just about to go anyway.`
`21:14.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`K thanks Artestru`
`21:14.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`I do wish that all those new forums were Sub Catagories though, with 1 main for Showcasing`
`21:14.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
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`21:16.09`	`Otixa`	`herp`
`21:16.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hey Otixa`
`21:16.54`	`Otixa`	`hai`
`21:17.02`	`Otixa`	`made it to hotel`
`21:17.06`	`Otixa`	`flying in the morning`
`21:20.47`	`Saeris1`	`oh hey otixa, blizz-artestru`
`21:21.51`	`Otixa`	`Deletarius haz new nick?`
`21:22.01`	`Saeris`	`naw, that's another dev`
`21:22.13`	`Otixa`	`He from the art team then? ;p`
`21:22.21`	`Saeris`	`dun think so`
`21:22.21`	`Otixa`	`pokes Blizz-Artestru with a stick`
`21:22.34`	`Ahli`	`he is mr cutscene editor I think`
`21:22.48`	`Saeris`	`oh, alright, yea i know him then =)`
`21:23.07`	`G0A`	`dont lag out Ducky!`
`21:24.34`	`Saeris`	`Hey Blizz-Artestru, think it might be possible to integrate a missle mover tool into the cutscene editor? so that we can preview and tweak missles without having to launch the game?`
`21:25.23`	`Saeris`	`think it'd be really useful in getting those visuals developed quickly`
`21:27.21`	`Saeris`	`same thing could probably be done for some abilities too. thinking about it, the different stages of say for example, the yamato cannon, are really just all on a timeline and layered together anyways`
`21:29.43`	`Taintedwisp`	`I think Imma make a fall back solution`
`21:31.23`	`Tolkfan`	`Heeey look, new forums! Too bad I can't post on them since I'm EU region :S`
`21:31.45`	`Tolkfan`	`there are 3 dev showcases... what's the diff between custom and arcade? :D`
`21:32.57`	`Ahli`	`custom is altered melee... like monobattles`
`21:33.57`	`Ahli`	`or if a person would make racewars into a sc2 map`
`21:36.07`	`Tolkfan`	`ah, right.. I guess that makes sense :P`
`21:36.39`	`Ahli`	`then arcade only consists out of the crazy stuff :D`
`21:37.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`No Monobattles isnt custom`
`21:37.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`Custom is standard melee`
`21:37.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`< doesnt get it either`
`21:37.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`why it isnt just called.... melee`
`21:38.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`We used to be Custom Mappers, Now we are Arcade mappers... makes us sound a bit more childish :(`
`21:38.36`	`Ahli`	`custom mod description talks about new balance, new ability, etc`
`21:39.33`	`Ahli`	`I was a UMS mapper`
`21:39.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`< Still thinks it should have been called Melee, and arcade should have stuck with the name Custom :P just semantics though.`
`21:40.36`	`Ahli`	`well, you create custom games in the melee section in sc2. the other thing is arcade`
`21:40.41`	`G0A`	`So we are moders or mappers?:D`
`21:40.57`	`Ahli`	`I tend to call me modder now`
`21:41.47`	`G0A`	`and do your map have mod files?:D`
`21:41.54`	`Ahli`	`:D`
`21:42.02`	`G0A`	`otherwise you are just mapper:D`
`21:42.12`	`Ahli`	`yes, but it only holds raw data like sounds`
`21:42.36`	`G0A`	`sounds...`
`21:42.46`	`G0A`	`worst of all:D`
`21:42.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`We are gay ass arcaders...`
`21:43.00`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`21:43.08`	`Ahli`	`actually, that 40mb mod file is sort of optional :D`
`21:43.26`	`Ahli`	`because you don't need it to play (in theory)`
`21:43.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`< Now hates the phrase Arcader... forever`
`21:44.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`< Official Warcraft 2 UMS mapper`
`21:44.41`	`Ahli`	`wc2 had multiple modes?`
`21:45.10`	`Ahli`	`did wc2 have triggers/scripts?`
`21:45.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`It had a bit of third party tools that allowed some modes`
`21:45.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`No triggers`
`21:45.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`but you could alter build times, and such to make for some interesting gmaes`
`21:46.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`Set build time to 0 damage to 50, health to 5 million haha`
`21:46.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`attack speed to maximum`
`21:46.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`mwhahaah`
`21:46.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`So you would instantly build building and have to push toward your opponate with near unlimited resources to build`
`21:47.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`It was Wc2 so you couldnt expect too much ahah`
`21:47.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:49.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`GEEZUS 40 MEGABYTES~!!!!`
`21:49.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`WHO IN THERE RIGHT MIND WILL WAIT THAT LONG!!!!`
`21:49.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`HOLY SHIT`
`21:49.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hell thats 20 seconds for me at max speed...`
`21:49.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`for your average person thats like 3 or 5 minutes`
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`21:51.33`	`Ahli`	`I raised it to have louder music... it had problems with the worst quality levels + made louder. Then I exported it with max quality`
`21:52.15`	`Ahli`	`else I would have been a bit more than 20 mb.`
`21:52.33`	`Ahli`	`all other sounds in my map are compressed with bad quality.`
`21:52.39`	`TwoDie`	`now you can launch game just for music to listen while you do shit!`
`21:53.11`	`Ahli`	`well, it's only 6 tracks :D`
`21:54.15`	`Ahli`	`my map file still has 590 imports`
`21:56.50`	`Ahli`	`I'm demotivated since I decided to fail my exam on monday. :S I'm 99% sure that I failed my exam last week and I don't want to have only 1 course next semester. So, I guess I will do both and get better grades in the end.`
`22:04.18`	`Saeris`	`well, if we wanted to get technical, using the tools to make any sort of modification to the gameplay would be considered modding`
`22:04.46`	`Saeris`	`that even include melee maps, but, i generally consider maps that only consist of custom terrain to be called 'mapping'`
`22:05.31`	`Ahli`	`are you mapping, if you make a terrain and place units?`
`22:07.04`	`Ahli`	`I'm living with the scbw modding as real modding. It's changing the archives and the original files and the actual game to alter everything.`
`22:08.22`	`A1win`	`those are technical details`
`22:08.57`	`Saeris`	`imo adding new data or triggers counts as modding, because you're adding in new functionality and assets that weren't there before`
`22:09.46`	`A1win`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod_(computer_gaming)`
`22:10.01`	`A1win`	`Mods that add new content to the underlying game are often called partial conversions, while mods that create an entirely new game are called total conversions and mods that fix bugs are called unofficial patches.`
`22:10.20`	`Saeris`	`comparing it to BW days of modding doesn't really matter, because the only real difference was back then we didn't have the tools readily available to us to make such sweeping changes`
`22:10.42`	`A1win`	`mm, it's just different way of doing the modding`
`22:10.45`	`A1win`	`+a`
`22:12.25`	`Ahli`	`hmm true. And that what I call bw modding couldn't be played on official bnet.`
`22:13.31`	`A1win`	`just because it's easier nowadays doesn't make it "less real" :P`
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`22:13.50`	`duckies`	`>;/`
`22:14.19`	`A1win`	`...except that it isn't easier overall, just the actual getting started part is`
`22:14.20`	`duckies`	`I have to wonder whos bright idea it was to not allow us test document if we don't have internet connection`
`22:15.02`	`Saeris`	`not surprising, since you can launch the campaign missions from the editor`
`22:15.08`	`Saeris`	`DRM at work`
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`22:18.53`	`Ahli`	`does "add on child/parent" give us references to creator/minion units of a unit?`
`22:19.19`	`Ahli`	`if yes, why can't I alter those links with triggers :X`
`22:24.53`	`Saeris`	`i think mapster needs a battlestations thread`
`22:25.56`	`Saeris`	`should get on that soon`
`22:28.11`	`Ahli`	`I wish behaviors had random periodic lengths... I should rewrite those behaviors to use persistent effects instead. They include that.`
`22:28.13`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Saeris, That's not a bad idea.`
`22:28.48`	`Otixa`	`prods Blizz-Artestru again`
`22:28.50`	`Saeris`	`glad to hear it`
`22:29.27`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I was referring to the Cutscene Editor missile suggestion if it wasn't clear.`
`22:29.30`	`Otixa`	`Blizz-Artestru, what do you do? ;p`
`22:29.45`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I'm a programmer on the editor, primarily focusing on the Cutscene Editor and other art tools.`
`22:30.08`	`Otixa`	`Seen my suggestion for the terrain shader projection plane?`
`22:30.16`	`Saeris`	`yea i think in general being able to use the cutscene editor as a way to build ability and weapon animations would be great`
`22:30.34`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I did see that. Was that on the forums?`
`22:30.38`	`Otixa`	`Yeah`
`22:30.46`	`Otixa`	`Deletarius told me to post thar ;p`
`22:30.46`	`Saeris`	`the hard part would be connecting the events to actors`
`22:30.57`	`Otixa`	`So you gonna implement it then? :3`
`22:30.58`	`Saeris`	`events on the timeline that is`
`22:31.33`	`Saeris`	`also, link otixa?`
`22:31.40`	`Otixa`	`Link to wut?`
`22:31.44`	`Otixa`	`Post?`
`22:31.48`	`Ahli`	`to your suggestion`
`22:31.48`	`Saeris`	`yea`
`22:31.55`	`Otixa`	`sec`
`22:31.58`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Saeris: Events on the timeline aren't that bad, but having it act like a game object that responds to non-timeline events is.`
`22:32.14`	`Otixa`	`hotel interweb FTL`
`22:32.35`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Otixa: That's more of a graphics engine feature, but the suggestion was passed on to the right people.`
`22:32.43`	`Otixa`	`;D`
`22:32.54`	`Otixa`	`Blizz-Artestru, can we have object oriented galaxyscripting then? :B`
`22:33.01`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Taintedwisp (4bb54735@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.181.71.53)`
`22:33.01`	`Otixa`	`With event delegates and anonymous functions`
`22:33.10`	`Otixa`	`Or at least for loops >>`
`22:33.17`	`Ahli`	`:D`
`22:33.18`	`Otixa`	`That'd be a nice start ;p`
`22:33.28`	`Saeris`	`i'd like to have prefix and postfix inline operator functions as well`
`22:33.30`	`Ahli`	`and i++ ?`
`22:33.41`	`Otixa`	`Ye, that too`
`22:33.47`	`Otixa`	`Tho, you need that for for loops anyway`
`22:33.51`	`Otixa`	`So it's implied`
`22:33.57`	`Saeris`	`so like i can go Array[i++] = Value`
`22:34.22`	`Otixa`	`OH OH`
`22:34.25`	`Otixa`	`Also ternary`
`22:34.31`	`Otixa`	`gusta ternary`
`22:34.42`	`Otixa`	`And I can't find my post ;p`
`22:35.06`	`Ahli`	`with pointers we could write complex data structures? like lists and graphs :D`
`22:35.17`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`That's not really my domain, but I don't think that's planned. You can always write your own object oriented layer. :)`
`22:35.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hey Artestru, Cna i aks question in like 5 minutes? :P I gotta collect a screen chot first`
`22:35.48`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`If I'm still here in 5 minutes I will answer. :)`
`22:35.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`kk`
`22:35.52`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`22:36.20`	`Otixa`	`Blizz-Artestru, you can? >>`
`22:36.54`	`Otixa`	`Implement us some for loops for a start >:\|`
`22:36.55`	`Saeris`	`but yea, figured you guys must already have some solution for missiles... i can't imagine trying to edit those by constantly tweaking values and relaunching the game every time`
`22:37.10`	`Saeris`	`would be excellent to adjust some slider bars and see the results in real time`
`22:37.31`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Well, what I mean is you could implement your own system, kind of like using C to implement C++`
`22:37.46`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`It wouldn't be easy, and there's a good chance it won't work for some reason I'm too tired to think of right now. :)`
`22:38.04`	`Otixa`	`I could, perhaps`
`22:38.10`	`Otixa`	`If I was on your payroll ;P`
`22:38.16`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Saeris: I actually think that's how it's done. :P They may use some of the actor cheats, too.`
`22:38.23`	`Otixa`	`But even then... Rather not >:C`
`22:38.54`	`Otixa`	`Saeris, Ahli, http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5966450460`
`22:38.57`	`Otixa`	`Foundit`
`22:40.02`	`Batomys`	`www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/46324-conjoined-behavior-shared-healing-problems/`
`22:40.19`	`Saeris`	`hmm, i only barely understand that otixa, lol`
`22:40.34`	`Otixa`	`It should make sense to the people implementing it :P`
`22:40.39`	`Saeris`	`basically you want to be able to paint terrain textures on the sides of cliffs, am i right?`
`22:40.45`	`Ahli`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/46324-conjoined-behavior-shared-healing-problems/ now I can click it`
`22:40.51`	`Otixa`	`Not only cliffs, but yeah`
`22:41.11`	`Otixa`	`And preferibly not only sides, but rather have the ability to adjust the projection angle`
`22:41.12`	`Saeris`	`hmm, cool. totally thought i was wrong there`
`22:41.20`	`Ahli`	`hmm conjoined healing`
`22:41.42`	`Otixa`	`So instead of having models with unique texture sets`
`22:41.45`	`Otixa`	`You'd have 1 mesh`
`22:41.51`	`Otixa`	`And you paint terrain textures onto it`
`22:42.01`	`Otixa`	`Would make for a pretty nifty workflow`
`22:42.09`	`Otixa`	`And reduce repetition in large environments`
`22:42.10`	`Otixa`	`etc etc`
`22:42.16`	`Otixa`	`And be overall useful`
`22:42.18`	`Saeris`	`that could be cool for rocks and such, but i don't think it'd be easy to get quality results`
`22:42.23`	`Otixa`	`Functionality is already there anyway`
`22:42.23`	`Saeris`	`may not be worth it`
`22:42.31`	`Otixa`	`All they need to do is make the projection angle a variable`
`22:42.34`	`Taintedwisp`	`Okay Blizz-Artestru, you see this button with the white around it ? http://i.imgur.com/ScRQY.jpg Why doesnt it have the frame like the others?`
`22:42.38`	`Saeris`	`especially consdering how limited we are on how many textures we can use`
`22:42.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`Was this some problem with the button?`
`22:42.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`I have like 4 other buttons that do the same thing`
`22:42.52`	`Otixa`	`Saeris, nah, we did a bunch of tests back in the day`
`22:42.56`	`Otixa`	`It can totally work`
`22:43.25`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Do they also use a custom texture?`
`22:43.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`Its a custom button`
`22:44.00`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`The texture of the button, though.`
`22:44.00`	`Taintedwisp`	`nvm wrong person hah`
`22:44.02`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`That's custom, right?`
`22:44.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`ogh yeah`
`22:44.14`	`Ahli`	`blizzard's button images got a transparent layer around them`
`22:44.17`	`A1win`	`frames are below the button icon image, so if the borders are white, they'll hide the frame`
`22:44.25`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`And the abilities that work, are they custom textures too or standard SC2 ones?`
`22:44.25`	`Ahli`	`to be able to show the border below the button image`
`22:44.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`Though I altered a blizzard button, (changed the hue) and then re-imported it and it didnt work either.`
`22:44.35`	`A1win`	`in other words, your alpha layer is bugged`
`22:44.37`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Yeah, what Ahli said.`
`22:44.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`THere standard`
`22:44.45`	`Otixa`	`Taintedwisp, because you're exporting wrong`
`22:44.53`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`You must've lost the alpha channel when you resaved it?`
`22:44.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`.dds DXT 3 No mipmaps`
`22:45.02`	`Saeris`	`^`
`22:45.12`	`Saeris`	`use DXT5`
`22:45.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`Theres an alpha channel?`
`22:45.21`	`Otixa`	`;/`
`22:45.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`DXT 5 Lags me :P`
`22:45.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`Well i mean the button doesnt pop up`
`22:45.29`	`Otixa`	`¬_¬`
`22:45.29`	`Saeris`	`too bad?`
`22:45.32`	`Ahli`	`use paint.net`
`22:45.41`	`Otixa`	`hits Taintedwisp with a brick`
`22:45.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`It shows a very low quality and then gets higher quality like after 15 seconds`
`22:45.51`	`Otixa`	`Because force no mipmaps`
`22:45.52`	`Otixa`	`Derp`
`22:46.04`	`Otixa`	`SC2 generates its own mips afaik`
`22:46.09`	`Saeris`	`DXT5 ARGB is what you should be using for all diffuse textures tainted`
`22:46.14`	`Otixa`	`So it would just recompress the exported ones`
`22:46.38`	`Otixa`	`Just read my fucking article on it`
`22:46.40`	`Otixa`	`Problem solved`
`22:46.42`	`Saeris`	`and you need to make sure after you save the file that the alpha channel saved`
`22:46.53`	`Saeris`	`sometimes the photoshop plugin doesn't save out the alpha`
`22:47.15`	`Saeris`	`just open the .DDS file, check the alpha channel, and if it's missing, copy and paste in the one from your source file`
`22:47.19`	`Saeris`	`then resave`
`22:47.32`	`Otixa`	`And then hit Saeris with a stick`
`22:47.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`Okay gotcha`
`22:47.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`Thanks for the info :D`
`22:47.42`	`Saeris`	`yup`
`22:47.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`Been having this problem for quite some time`
`22:48.25`	`Otixa`	`So anyway`
`22:48.31`	`Otixa`	`Blizz-Artestru, Where's Deletarius? ;p`
`22:48.40`	`Otixa`	`He got mad at us for being dicks? :B`
`22:48.40`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Probably at home. :)`
`22:48.44`	`TheSkunk__`	`Seeing as its Saturday...`
`22:48.46`	`TheSkunk__`	`>_>`
`22:48.51`	`Ahli`	`^^`
`22:48.53`	`Otixa`	`Ahh... Good point`
`22:48.56`	`TheSkunk__`	`I'm more surprised Art is in here, he must just love us`
`22:48.59`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`No, that's why I stopped logging in so much. :)`
`22:48.59`	`Otixa`	`Why are you not home then? >:\|`
`22:49.03`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I am at home.`
`22:49.24`	`Otixa`	`Ah, so you just love us enough to hang around here while at home ;D`
`22:49.25`	`TheSkunk__`	`Of course, but its not often you guys come in here from home`
`22:49.29`	`Otixa`	`I approve :>`
`22:49.43`	`Otixa`	`Oh, oh`
`22:49.51`	`Otixa`	`Blizz-Artestru, what's your degree?`
`22:49.52`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Yeah, I'm just having a lazy day reading Facebook, news, forums, etc. Thought I'd log in. :)`
`22:49.58`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Computer Science`
`22:50.01`	`TheSkunk__`	`Well, we appreciate it`
`22:50.04`	`Otixa`	`BCs?`
`22:50.10`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`A Bachelor's in CompSci, that is.`
`22:50.23`	`Otixa`	`Neat`
`22:50.28`	`Saeris`	`i'd probably be in here all the time were i working at blizz, but i'm sure they'd get mad at me for answering questions off hours all the time, haha`
`22:50.34`	`Otixa`	`Was it hard transitioning from that to games?`
`22:50.50`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`No, I think Computer Science is exactly the right major for a game programmer.`
`22:51.05`	`Otixa`	`Game Programming is a bit more to the point imo :B`
`22:51.22`	`A1win`	`just need to be dealing with games as a hobby while working on the CS degree`
`22:51.26`	`Otixa`	`Altho`
`22:51.27`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Yeah, but Computer Science gives you important fundamental.s`
`22:51.29`	`Otixa`	`That's debatable`
`22:51.29`	`A1win`	`*game dev as a hobby`
`22:51.37`	`Otixa`	`Blizz-Artestru, agreed`
`22:51.39`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`A1win: Exactly, that's how I did it.`
`22:52.05`	`A1win`	`I'm stuck at just a few courses from my bachelor's degree <.< done the thesis already and stuff`
`22:52.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hah, blizz-artestru computer science :P and here I am trying to find a way so i can get a degree in architecture for game design hah gotta start on that soon or else imma be screwed though`
`22:52.14`	`Otixa`	`So have you tried working with a game engine other than Blizzard's stuff?`
`22:52.23`	`Otixa`	`Like UDK or something`
`22:52.45`	`Otixa`	`Taintedwisp, architecture for game design? ;\`
`22:52.46`	`Dustin`	`If we had the ability to modify the varaible that passed the value to the function I would love life`
`22:52.49`	`Dustin`	`LOVE IT I SAY`
`22:52.50`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Absolutely. For one, I haven't always worked at Blizzard. But I've used UDK a bit. I'm making a side project in Unity right now and really loving that engine.`
`22:53.09`	`Saeris`	`architecture could work for FPS level design.... but not so much RTS, lol`
`22:53.09`	`Otixa`	`I dislike Unity <<`
`22:53.20`	`Otixa`	`I find it really odd that there's no real starting point to the code`
`22:53.32`	`Otixa`	`Like... You attach code to the camera that inits all the stuff`
`22:53.39`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I love the Game Object paradigm. I think it's brilliant for a game engine.`
`22:53.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`Why Not Otixa, I could make in game structures that no one else could haha`
`22:53.43`	`Otixa`	`Feels kinda hacky imo`
`22:54.03`	`Otixa`	`Taintedwisp, I take that as a personal challenge ;p`
`22:54.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`and if game design didnt pan out i would have things to fall back on`
`22:54.17`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Nah, I like how you have objects and you add behavior to those objects. You're not "writing a program"... you're "giving behavior to objects"`
`22:54.21`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I think it's a natural paradigm.`
`22:54.51`	`Otixa`	`Yeah, but there's no unified way to control the flow`
`22:54.52`	`Otixa`	`I dunno`
`22:54.58`	`Otixa`	`I haven't really used it much tho`
`22:55.02`	`Dustin`	`Its weird to me too Otixa`
`22:55.12`	`Dustin`	`Like I see what they are going for`
`22:55.21`	`Dustin`	`But it's hard for me to adjsut my workflow like that`
`22:55.26`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I have a few manager game objects whose only purpose is to manage. In my game, there's a Unit Manager, and it only has one component on it (the Unit Manager script), and I use that for creating units, finding units, etc.`
`22:55.27`	`Otixa`	`Yeah, same`
`22:55.34`	`Saeris`	`can't say i like unity much either =/ UDK is much easier to jump in to`
`22:55.36`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`That part does feel a little funny, I'll admit.`
`22:55.59`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`And at first it took some time and a different way of thinking to get used to it.`
`22:56.16`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`But now that I've got a large, functional project, I appreciate the workflow.`
`22:56.17`	`Otixa`	`Saeris, yeah, but for UScript you need to pretty much read all the code they have before you can really understand wtf you're doing`
`22:56.33`	`Saeris`	`meh`
`22:56.33`	`Otixa`	`I do prfer UDK to everything else tho`
`22:56.45`	`Dustin`	`With Unity I would jsut use the C# integration`
`22:56.48`	`Otixa`	`Blizz-Artestru, shiny screenshots pl0x :D`
`22:56.49`	`Saeris`	`no different than having to learn game programming IMO`
`22:57.02`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Otixa: I can't, it's secret! :)`
`22:57.08`	`Otixa`	`D:<`
`22:57.10`	`Saeris`	`kinda nescessary as i see it for picking up say Unity or making anything other than maps in Source`
`22:57.17`	`Dustin`	`Secrets are for communists :(!`
`22:57.27`	`Otixa`	`smacks Blizz-Artestru with a brick`
`22:57.37`	`Otixa`	`blue spy in base`
`22:57.51`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Wait, wouldn't I be a red spy?`
`22:57.58`	`Otixa`	`No, you're from blizz!`
`22:58.03`	`Dustin`	`Ya Blizz is blue`
`22:58.06`	`Dustin`	`Everyone knows that`
`22:58.06`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Oh, right!`
`22:58.16`	`Otixa`	`nods`
`22:58.37`	`A1win`	`"yeah sure, that's what I meant to say, blue..."`
`22:58.45`	`Dustin`	`Red is EA, http://www.gamingogre.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ea-game.jpg`
`22:59.03`	`Otixa`	`;D`
`22:59.03`	`Otixa`	`Y U MENTION EA?`
`22:59.03`	`Otixa`	`hits Dustin`
`22:59.05`	`A1win`	`you can never be sure with the spies x\`
`22:59.08`	`Otixa`	`EA have no color`
`22:59.11`	`Dustin`	`Cause they are the bad guys!`
`22:59.12`	`Otixa`	`Other than shit color`
`22:59.30`	`Otixa`	`I'd classify EA as "baby poop brown"`
`22:59.37`	`Ahli`	`in cologne, the EA building has a black sign`
`22:59.46`	`Ahli`	`and white letters`
`23:00.06`	`Otixa`	`shakes head`
`23:00.52`	`Otixa`	`OH OH`
`23:00.54`	`Saeris`	`wikipedia shows blue+white logo =P`
`23:01.01`	`Otixa`	`I'm getting dDo for christmas <3`
`23:01.07`	`Dustin`	`I thoughtu had it`
`23:01.07`	`Saeris`	`now THQ on the otherhand... that company is definitely red`
`23:01.09`	`Dustin`	`also what is it`
`23:01.24`	`Otixa`	`Dustin, I have the beta`
`23:01.24`	`Saeris`	`otixa you make a video on how to use ddo yet?`
`23:01.29`	`Otixa`	`It's a texturing tool`
`23:01.41`	`Otixa`	`Saeris, no video. I was livestreaming myself last night tho`
`23:01.42`	`Dustin`	`ahhh`
`23:01.46`	`Otixa`	`sec`
`23:01.51`	`Saeris`	`get on it =P`
`23:01.57`	`Otixa`	`https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10032576/Models/misc/ddo.jpg`
`23:02.14`	`Saeris`	`looks good`
`23:02.31`	`Otixa`	`Texture done in ~20min`
`23:02.32`	`Saeris`	`color looks a little too baby shit yellow though`
`23:02.41`	`Otixa`	`Yeah, but yanno`
`23:02.49`	`Otixa`	`Had little idea of what I was doing`
`23:02.55`	`Otixa`	`Was just trying stuff out mostly`
`23:03.10`	`Saeris`	`dDo isn't easy to use like nDo i'll give you that`
`23:03.20`	`Otixa`	`Sure it is`
`23:03.30`	`Otixa`	`I'll record a tutorial thing once I'm back home`
`23:03.42`	`Otixa`	`...And have slept for like 20 hours`
`23:03.45`	`Saeris`	`looking forward to it`
`23:03.51`	`Dustin`	`dDo looks pretty sick`
`23:03.59`	`Otixa`	`It is, Dustin :B`
`23:04.14`	`Otixa`	`Getting a commercial license for christmas ^_^`
`23:04.50`	`Otixa`	`Blizz-Artestru, you do any modeling?`
`23:05.20`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Sure, all the time. I make spheres and cubes when testing new features. Ooh, and teapots!`
`23:05.29`	`Otixa`	`xD`
`23:05.31`	`Otixa`	`Close enuff`
`23:05.48`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I'm not very artistic. I know just enough of Max to be dangerous.`
`23:05.49`	`Otixa`	`So would you say you have little experience in 3D asset creation?`
`23:06.11`	`Otixa`	`Neat! Let's do an experiment then!`
`23:06.13`	`Otixa`	`...For science!`
`23:06.39`	`Otixa`	`Blizz-Artestru, try out dDo :B`
`23:06.57`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Correct, I have little experience. Not zero, but little.`
`23:06.59`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`What's dDo?`
`23:07.09`	`Otixa`	`New texturing tool from Quixel`
`23:07.24`	`Otixa`	`It creates diffuse, specular, gloss and something maps`
`23:07.29`	`Saeris`	`http://quixel.se/ddo/`
`23:07.37`	`Otixa`	`^ see videos`
`23:07.46`	`Saeris`	`i know at least one blizzard artist uses it`
`23:07.55`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I feel like one of the artists was talking about this the other day.`
`23:07.57`	`Saeris`	`so you can probably ask them more about using it`
`23:08.02`	`Otixa`	`I can provide you with a basemesh + normal map + color map for testing if ya want`
`23:08.08`	`Otixa`	`It's fucking amazing @_@`
`23:08.16`	`Saeris`	`Hélder Pinto`
`23:08.31`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I don't have any dev software on this computer, so I wouldn't be able to get very far I imagine. Plus I'm not artistic. :)`
`23:08.48`	`Otixa`	`Blizz-Artestru, you only need Photoshoop :P`
`23:08.52`	`Otixa`	`See the videos`
`23:08.54`	`Otixa`	`It's basically`
`23:09.07`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Yeah, this is my home computer, I don't even have Photoshop installed.`
`23:09.08`	`Otixa`	`Click on material > "Hmm... I want some rust on that" > Click add rust button`
`23:09.11`	`Otixa`	`Ah ;/`
`23:09.29`	`Otixa`	`But what I love most about it is that you can try stuff out real quick`
`23:09.38`	`Otixa`	`And you're not at all commited to your final design`
`23:09.46`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Fast iteration time is important.`
`23:09.48`	`Otixa`	`Since it takes like 20min to make something`
`23:10.01`	`Otixa`	`Like, production quality something, that is`
`23:10.54`	`Saeris`	`now if only Quixel could make a plugin to generate UVW's like it was nothing as well`
`23:11.12`	`Saeris`	`hate uv mapping >.<`
`23:11.20`	`Otixa`	`Ehh, don't think that would happen`
`23:11.26`	`Saeris`	`yea probably not`
`23:11.34`	`Otixa`	`Because UVs deppend a lot on a lot of different factors`
`23:11.46`	`Otixa`	`So it's not something you can really generalize :\`
`23:11.49`	`Otixa`	`Then again`
`23:11.53`	`Otixa`	`Practice makes perfect`
`23:12.07`	`Otixa`	`It takes me like 10min to properly UV something nowadays`
`23:12.14`	`Saeris`	`wider adoption of ptex would be nice.`
`23:12.21`	`Otixa`	`ptex?`
`23:12.28`	`Saeris`	`from what i've heard it's pretty good for cutting down that process`
`23:12.40`	`Saeris`	`http://ptex.us/`
`23:12.47`	`Saeris`	`no need to UV`
`23:13.02`	`Otixa`	`Saeris, dunno if that'd be good for games`
`23:13.07`	`Otixa`	`Prolly not too much ;p`
`23:13.37`	`Saeris`	`mmm`
`23:13.46`	`Saeris`	`realtime ptex demonstrated by nvidia in 2011`
`23:14.23`	`Saeris`	`maybe not something that can be used today, but in the future possibly`
`23:16.55`	`Otixa`	`neh ;\`
`23:17.01`	`Otixa`	`I'm fine with UVs`
`23:17.08`	`Otixa`	`Tho, apparently you can do UVs in Zbrush`
`23:17.13`	`Otixa`	`Need to look into that`
`23:17.44`	`Saeris`	`i've never been able to get that to work, though i've heard it's pretty good`
`23:17.55`	`Saeris`	`then again, i've never gotten zbrush to do anything i'd like, so`
`23:18.01`	`Otixa`	`:P`
`23:18.21`	`Otixa`	`I can record myself doing an asset from start to finish`
`23:18.22`	`Otixa`	`:B`
`23:18.26`	`Otixa`	`That may help`
`23:18.47`	`Saeris`	`that would be nice =P`
`23:19.15`	`Otixa`	`Unsure how I should do it tho`
`23:19.22`	`Otixa`	`Some sort of stream or jewtube?`
`23:20.01`	`Otixa`	`Hmm`
`23:20.09`	`Saeris`	`part of why i like the tutorials chris and ben tate over at CGtuts+ put out is that they show every step and value in their tutorial, start to finish. make it easy to troubleshoot it when you're trying to follow along`
`23:20.17`	`Saeris`	`brb`
`23:20.31`	`Otixa`	`Blizz-Artestru, does the company provide any software you ask for, or do they just give you a bunch of stuff and that's it?`
`23:20.54`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Most of what we work on is standardized, but I've requested software and gotten it as well.`
`23:20.59`	`Otixa`	`Saeris, so stream then? :P`
`23:21.07`	`Otixa`	`Nice :D`
`23:21.10`	`Saeris`	`youtube would be better i think`
`23:21.25`	`Otixa`	`Yeah, but limit`
`23:21.35`	`Otixa`	`It'd take quite a bit longer than 15min ;p`
`23:21.36`	`Saeris`	`i think you can remove it?`
`23:21.43`	`Otixa`	`iunno, I'll look into it`
`23:22.06`	`Saeris`	`also, you may find this relevent to your interests: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otedqKHET1w`
`23:22.13`	`Otixa`	`Blizz-Artestru, add moar easter eggs tbh`
`23:22.24`	`Otixa`	`Saeris, hotel interweb :\|`
`23:22.36`	`Saeris`	`oh well fine =P`
`23:22.47`	`Otixa`	`Saeris, I know this trick`
`23:23.15`	`Saeris`	`familiar with these kind of shaders as well? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ugEUnH8Eug`
`23:23.48`	`Otixa`	`Yeh ^^`
`23:23.53`	`Saeris`	`good`
`23:24.00`	`Otixa`	`I mostly work with interiors tho :P`
`23:24.28`	`Saeris`	`so? you can use that for chains and such too`
`23:24.34`	`Otixa`	`I guess`
`23:24.42`	`Otixa`	`Actually, for that last scene`
`23:24.49`	`Otixa`	`I used a different trick for the candles`
`23:24.54`	`Otixa`	`Since the candle flame is animated`
`23:24.55`	`Otixa`	`:B`
`23:25.27`	`Otixa`	`Applied a world position offset to the candle light material`
`23:25.33`	`Otixa`	`With a gradient ramp`
`23:25.41`	`Otixa`	`That only covers the top verts of the flame`
`23:26.04`	`Otixa`	`Fed a time node into sine, multiplied etc and done :B`
`23:26.21`	`Otixa`	`So the top of the flame sways a little`
`23:29.41`	`Saeris`	`http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=71673`
`23:29.50`	`Saeris`	`how to increase your limit`
`23:30.09`	`Otixa`	`;>`
`23:30.11`	`Otixa`	`thanks`
`23:30.56`	`Saeris`	`np`
`23:32.19`	`Otixa`	`Hmm`
`23:32.25`	`Otixa`	`I have a theory...`
`23:32.32`	`Otixa`	`Blizz-Artestru, you there?`
`23:33.02`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Hey`
`23:33.13`	`Otixa`	`You know anything about project Titan? :B`
`23:35.46`	`Otixa`	`Yeah, so I'm guessing he's under NDA and therefor the project is still going ^^^`
`23:36.54`	`Otixa`	`won't ask anymore`
`23:37.35`	`Saeris`	`don't think there's been any new info since pandaria launched =P`
`23:37.57`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`:)`
`23:38.20`	`Otixa`	`Well, Planetside2 launched`
`23:38.29`	`Otixa`	`But it was pretty shit tbh`
`23:38.46`	`Saeris`	`even then, you'll never get a dev to talk about it.`
`23:39.01`	`Otixa`	`I know, just wanted to know if it's still an active project :P`
`23:39.13`	`Otixa`	`If it wasn't, he'd be allowed to say so, I think`
`23:39.15`	`Otixa`	`So there ya go`
`23:39.36`	`Saeris`	`i would think so, last news i saw was that there's 150+ people working on it`
`23:39.49`	`Saeris`	`something like that`
`23:40.03`	`Otixa`	`Blizz-Artestru, you are a he, right? :P`
`23:40.10`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I am a he.`
`23:40.28`	`Otixa`	`pats Blizz-Artestru on the head`
`23:40.29`	`Otixa`	`:3`
`23:40.39`	`Saeris`	`woo, new starcrafts video gonna be up soon`
`23:40.44`	`Otixa`	`;o`
`23:40.46`	`Otixa`	`Gimmeh!`
`23:40.54`	`Otixa`	`Tho, with hotel interweb... ._.`
`23:41.02`	`Saeris`	`i'll link when it's up`
`23:41.04`	`Otixa`	`inb4bufferingfor20min`
`23:41.47`	`Otixa`	`Blizz-Artestru, think you can increase my chances of getting into StarTools beta? :D`
`23:42.06`	`Saeris`	`lol`
`23:42.19`	`Otixa`	`shrugs`
`23:42.21`	`Otixa`	`What? :P`
`23:42.27`	`Saeris`	`otixa i think you've got the best chance you'll possibly get at this point =P`
`23:42.31`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I'm pretty sure anyone who opts in gets in.`
`23:42.35`	`Otixa`	`I nevver get into any of the Blizz betas >:\|`
`23:42.41`	`Otixa`	`Like, ever`
`23:42.49`	`Saeris`	`you'll be fine, just be patient`
`23:43.08`	`Otixa`	`Yet my retard friend who spends like 3 hours a month playing Blizz games gets into betas ;/`
`23:43.22`	`Otixa`	`This makes Otixa very angry`
`23:43.36`	`Saeris`	`you in swarm beta?`
`23:43.42`	`Otixa`	`lolno`
`23:43.48`	`Saeris`	`you preorder it yet?`
`23:43.53`	`Otixa`	`Even tho I've been playing WoW since launch`
`23:43.57`	`Saeris`	`can get in that way through some retailers`
`23:43.58`	`Otixa`	`And WC3 and SC1 before that`
`23:43.59`	`Otixa`	`>;/`
`23:44.11`	`Saeris`	`so i've heard`
`23:44.11`	`Otixa`	`Nah, not gonna preorder as a sign of protest`
`23:44.33`	`Saeris`	`well, only have yourself to blame then`
`23:44.40`	`Otixa`	`;P`
`23:45.18`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Protest against what?`
`23:45.30`	`Otixa`	`Against never getting into Blizz betas >:\|`
`23:46.30`	`Otixa`	`</rant> ;p`
`23:46.46`	`Otixa`	`Anyhoo, can't wait to make some shiny stuff for SC2`
`23:47.03`	`Otixa`	`Some TPS models :D`
`23:47.16`	`Otixa`	`Hmm`
`23:47.33`	`Otixa`	`Do WSAD controls still lag in HOTS?`
`23:47.45`	`Saeris`	`yes`
`23:47.50`	`Otixa`	`:<`
`23:48.01`	`Saeris`	`it's not gonna get fixed either`
`23:48.08`	`Otixa`	`Blizz-Artestru, anything you can do about that?`
`23:48.47`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Nope, it's a fundamental issue.`
`23:48.54`	`Otixa`	`:<`
`23:49.11`	`Saeris`	`best just to move on and try other things`
`23:49.31`	`Otixa`	`Can't you just have it... Not wait for packet confirmation when moving? >>`
`23:49.38`	`Otixa`	`Like a hidden checkbox somewhere`
`23:49.46`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Cheekything (~Cheekythi@cpc2-oxfd18-2-0-cust861.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`23:50.04`	`Otixa`	`sighs`
`23:50.20`	`*** join/#sc2mapster zlefin (~zlefin@pool-173-48-173-195.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)`
`23:50.21`	`Otixa`	`I had a really neat idea for a map tho :\`
`23:50.23`	`Otixa`	`Well`
`23:50.24`	`Saeris`	`http://images.4chan.org/v/src/1355608000119.jpg`
`23:50.33`	`Otixa`	`I guess it could still be done with laggy controls`
`23:50.37`	`Otixa`	`It just wouldn't be as good`
`23:50.48`	`Otixa`	`lol`
`23:50.51`	`Otixa`	`That Minecraft?`
`23:50.57`	`Saeris`	`simcity`
`23:51.02`	`Otixa`	`ah`
`23:51.07`	`Otixa`	`lol :D`
`23:51.14`	`Otixa`	`Someone was bored :P`
`23:51.20`	`Batomys`	`If someone helps me with my conjoined healing issue I'll give you an erotic foot massage`
`23:51.24`	`Saeris`	`that's 4chan for you`
`23:51.33`	`Batomys`	`Don't all hop on at once now`
`23:51.47`	`Otixa`	`Conjoined wot?`
`23:51.56`	`Otixa`	`I'm prolly the worst person to ask, but eh ;p`
`23:52.09`	`Otixa`	`hasn't even opened the editor in 2 years`
`23:52.38`	`Batomys`	`3 units with a copy of the train car conjoined behavior - all 3 must be healed simultaneously to recover any health`
`23:52.50`	`Batomys`	`can't just heal unit 1, or vice versa, it is very strange`
`23:53.05`	`Otixa`	`Eh`
`23:53.40`	`Otixa`	`Just have it check for health changes on every one of them`
`23:53.50`	`Otixa`	`And if it's a positive change, add the difference to all of them?`
`23:55.18`	`Batomys`	`On the behavior, or do you mean with a trigger?`
`23:55.51`	`Otixa`	`Iunno`
`23:55.59`	`Otixa`	`Figure it out :P`
`23:56.12`	`Saeris`	`brb`

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