| 00:00.44 | Fenix | i dont use the 0 of my PlayerGround var |
| 00:01.15 | Fenix | (which is should next time.... >.< ) |
| 00:02.12 | Zolden | ________________: what should happen with the ice? |
| 00:02.22 | Fenix | oh and forgot to delete the last if then else |
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| 00:02.44 | Zolden | I have a sound of someone getting rapidly frozen |
| 00:03.13 | ________________ | just the freezing sound or frozen sound |
| 00:03.23 | Zolden | ok, sec |
| 00:03.24 | Fenix | there are probably on the net? |
| 00:04.52 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/33/505/Sawu_GlassPrisonSpell.wav |
| 00:05.14 | Zolden | ________________: if you doesn't know it's glass, it sounds like ice |
| 00:05.32 | Zolden | remember, you need to turn it into ogg format |
| 00:05.53 | Fenix | wav not supported? |
| 00:06.39 | Fenix | i made a unit with starcraft 1 wav sounds and it was fine? |
| 00:07.46 | Zolden | wavs are heavy, 0.5 mb for 3 sec of sound is insane |
| 00:08.10 | Fenix | well, sc1 sounds are not that heavy... ithink... |
| 00:08.30 | Zolden | wavs are either heavy or crappy |
| 00:08.38 | Zolden | oggs can be light and sound ok |
| 00:08.48 | ________________ | ty |
| 00:09.26 | Fenix | Ahli, you know how to make it so its 1 to 5 instead of 0-4 |
| 00:10.45 | Ahli | which should be 1-5? |
| 00:11.30 | Ahli | your votes have the indexes 1 to 5... the list array uses 0-4 then |
| 00:11.41 | Fenix | oh wait... nvm i think i found a way |
| 00:12.24 | Ahli | just implementing my code 1 to 1 with the change that vote[i] is Number of players in VotePlayerGroup[i] |
| 00:12.30 | Ahli | should work |
| 00:18.35 | ________________ | weird that I can't access the glass sound |
| 00:21.25 | Fenix | woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot i think it's working. Still has to test with more than 1 player. xD |
| 00:21.44 | Fenix | (after 5 hours of tryign to understand xD) |
| 00:27.46 | Ahli | meanwhile on teamliquid: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384533¤tpage=All |
| 00:32.46 | Fenix | oh wait there is still an issue... >.< |
| 00:44.26 | Zolden | lol |
| 00:44.34 | Zolden | will he find any girls at TL? |
| 00:44.44 | Zolden | maybe scralett? |
| 00:45.32 | Saeris | ugh.... this sucks, why isn't there a function to return the target type of an ability command? >.< |
| 00:46.30 | Saeris | i need to do a condition check that will test whether the triggering ability targets a unit or a point |
| 00:47.17 | Saeris | and there seems to be no easy way to do it, espcially if i'm checking against any ability and not a specific one |
| 00:52.28 | DeadZergling | unit or a point you say Saeris? |
| 00:52.32 | DeadZergling | there is a way to do that, actually |
| 00:52.37 | DeadZergling | at least in data |
| 00:52.44 | Saeris | has to be in triggers |
| 00:52.57 | DeadZergling | couldn't it just fire off a dummy effect either way |
| 00:53.00 | DeadZergling | to tell your triggers? |
| 00:53.02 | Saeris | no |
| 00:53.13 | Saeris | i'm checking default melee data and recording information about it |
| 00:53.40 | DeadZergling | I see, I've used a switch to determine if the spell targets a unit or point before is all |
| 00:53.42 | Ahli | why can't you use the abilities effect? |
| 00:53.44 | Saeris | foran given abilit, i'm trying to record the target location for that ability |
| 00:53.58 | DeadZergling | If the unit is not dead, it must be unit |
| 00:54.02 | DeadZergling | otherwise it must be a point |
| 00:54.03 | Saeris | any given ability* |
| 00:54.15 | Ahli | if target unit == null -> point |
| 00:54.20 | Ahli | of the effect |
| 00:55.31 | Ahli | what happens in your scenario when you order to cast something on a unit and then the unit runs a screen away before the ability really is casted? |
| 00:55.55 | Saeris | it only runs on abilities that complete their casting |
| 00:57.29 | Ahli | target unit for order? |
| 00:58.21 | Ahli | there is triggering ability target point and unit, btw |
| 00:58.30 | Saeris | i know that |
| 00:58.33 | Ahli | what was your problem again? |
| 00:59.52 | Saeris | when any ability is used and completes execution, my trigger takes note in a bank file a bunch of information about that ability, who casted it, what unit type casted it, and most importantly, the target location of the ability |
| 01:00.19 | Saeris | now this can be any ability, so it could target a unit or a point, i don't know which |
| 01:00.52 | Saeris | using Triggering Ability Target Unit will return an error if the ability targets a point |
| 01:01.01 | Ahli | what if the unit dies during the ability? |
| 01:01.03 | Saeris | and vice versa for Triggering Ability Target Point |
| 01:01.40 | Ahli | hmm, that's seems to be a problem in blizzard's functions |
| 01:01.49 | Saeris | yea |
| 01:01.52 | Ahli | they should return no unit at least |
| 01:02.13 | Ahli | make sure you create a thread in their forums about that... it doesn't seem right |
| 01:02.52 | Saeris | all i want to get is the target point for whever the ability was cast, whether that's the point location of targeted unit or the targeted point of the ability |
| 01:03.56 | Saeris | but i can't test to see what target type an ability has in order for me to determine which function to use, Targeting Unit or Targeting Point |
| 01:04.00 | Saeris | =/ |
| 01:05.06 | Saeris | if i knew the specific ability being used, then perhaps i could grab it from a Catalog Field Value Get, but that will vary widely for any given ability |
| 01:06.08 | Saeris | at that point, if i were to try to test for all possible abilities... i'd be opening myself up to a lot of potential errors |
| 01:14.11 | ________________ | how can I use the explosion models with out automatically getting the explosion sound comes with it |
| 01:14.23 | ________________ | like terran and protoss |
| 01:14.53 | Ahli | duplicate the model and remove the sound in the model entry |
| 01:15.12 | ________________ | I recreated the model completely without the sound at but it still comes on |
| 01:15.39 | Ahli | unit fidgets are abilities too :S |
| 01:15.49 | ________________ | ??? |
| 01:16.04 | Zolden | ________________: maybe you talk about attack actor? |
| 01:16.29 | ________________ | nope |
| 01:16.34 | ________________ | I mean model |
| 01:16.39 | Zolden | waht plays models and sounds? |
| 01:16.44 | Zolden | actors |
| 01:17.00 | Zolden | on attack - attack actor |
| 01:18.17 | ________________ | just try that specific model |
| 01:18.24 | ________________ | you'll see what I mean |
| 01:18.41 | ________________ | I can't use the model for anything without the sound coming |
| 01:20.11 | Zolden | i can't even imagine how can model be linked to a sound |
| 01:20.52 | ________________ | ikr? |
| 01:21.14 | Zolden | what's ikr? |
| 01:21.28 | Zolden | I kill rogues? |
| 01:21.56 | Ahli | model events in model entry |
| 01:22.12 | Ahli | just duplicate the model and delete those, use the duplicated model entry |
| 01:22.14 | ________________ | there are no events... its a blank model |
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| 01:22.40 | Taintedwisp | Woohoo i think i found someone willing to work with me lol |
| 01:22.51 | Zolden | Taintedwisp: got some boobs to increase? |
| 01:22.53 | ________________ | you said that yesterday |
| 01:22.56 | Taintedwisp | not yet |
| 01:22.57 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 01:23.04 | Ahli | Saeris, it works for me |
| 01:23.15 | Taintedwisp | Zolden I promise you, you are the official titty increaser for my map |
| 01:23.25 | Zolden | alright |
| 01:23.30 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 01:23.42 | Ahli | I know if a unit is targeted or not... "Unit - Any Unit uses Any Ability Command at Generic3 - Execute stage (Include shared abilities)" is my event |
| 01:23.49 | Taintedwisp | Damn I get lucky everytime I find a new teammate |
| 01:24.19 | Taintedwisp | This guy has offered to build a website, and is making me a new loading screen right now haha |
| 01:25.53 | Taintedwisp | hah |
| 01:26.41 | ________________ | ne1 know why I can't use the terran or orotoss explosion models without getting the sound that comes with them? |
| 01:26.53 | Ahli | I told u |
| 01:27.04 | Zolden | ________________: name the model |
| 01:28.27 | Taintedwisp | ______________ They are sound emitters that are on the model :P |
| 01:28.31 | ________________ | terranlargeunitdeath |
| 01:28.40 | Taintedwisp | ________________ Sound emitters |
| 01:28.42 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 01:28.45 | ________________ | oic.. is there a way to ignore them? |
| 01:28.48 | Ahli | "FieldZergSmallTriggeredExplosion (Unnamed) Animation: Events +(-1):(Death, Variation 00):(ZergExplosionSmall):(Sound):(0.0000):(Unknown):(Zerg_ExplosionSmall):(Any)" causes that |
| 01:29.06 | Taintedwisp | lemme check |
| 01:32.03 | Ahli | the event has a link to a sound entry in its animation events... |
| 01:32.37 | ________________ | no, I created a new model |
| 01:33.19 | ________________ | I just used the blizzard art |
| 01:46.52 | ________________ | I guess no 1 knows? |
| 01:48.22 | DeadZergling | must be an option somewhere in there to disable sound or sound emitters |
| 01:51.41 | ________________ | I'm hoping |
| 01:53.17 | ________________ | still looking atm |
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| 02:15.27 | PrettyAwesome | Hello |
| 02:17.18 | Taintedwisp | hi |
| 02:20.15 | Taintedwisp | prettyawesome? well i am VERYAWESOME |
| 02:20.18 | PrettyAwesome | The SC2 mapping community seems so dead. |
| 02:20.24 | Taintedwisp | haah |
| 02:20.29 | PrettyAwesome | Extremely awesome! |
| 02:20.45 | Taintedwisp | Yeah the mappig community is making a comeback though |
| 02:20.46 | Taintedwisp | slowly |
| 02:20.53 | PrettyAwesome | HoTS? |
| 02:21.00 | Taintedwisp | Blizzard Fucked up for WoL :P, but the majority is being fixec |
| 02:21.10 | Taintedwisp | By HoTS 75% of the problems will be fixed |
| 02:21.28 | PrettyAwesome | I will say. The map editor is the most fustarating one I've ever worked iwth, besides Hammer |
| 02:21.36 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 02:21.59 | Taintedwisp | It can be if your new, but once you get used to its convoluted organization then it can be decent |
| 02:22.00 | PrettyAwesome | I'm working on a machinima and it almost seems easier to just export it to UDK somehow. |
| 02:22.03 | Taintedwisp | and can do a lot of cool things |
| 02:22.07 | Taintedwisp | hahah |
| 02:22.23 | Taintedwisp | Machinima? |
| 02:22.23 | PrettyAwesome | FFS. Trying to even get a light to attenuate is impossiblr |
| 02:22.38 | Taintedwisp | Well you know you can do 90% of what your wanting to do in the cutscene editor right? |
| 02:22.41 | PrettyAwesome | Yeah. We're trying something with story mode models. |
| 02:22.46 | PrettyAwesome | Im in the ccutscene editor |
| 02:22.47 | PrettyAwesome | http://puu.sh/1v5xT |
| 02:23.06 | Taintedwisp | and the cutscene editor works pretty standard as it would in other things |
| 02:23.22 | PrettyAwesome | Sorta. the lack of realtime light preview is REALLY annoying |
| 02:23.35 | Taintedwisp | ah cool |
| 02:24.12 | Taintedwisp | the only problem is, if your working in the cutscene editor there are few people that can actually help |
| 02:24.19 | PrettyAwesome | We cant find anyone who is willing to help us out. |
| 02:24.28 | Taintedwisp | What do you need help with? |
| 02:24.52 | PrettyAwesome | Things like lighting, animations, and various other things |
| 02:25.01 | Taintedwisp | ah |
| 02:25.20 | PrettyAwesome | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rOa8HSxiwg |
| 02:25.38 | Taintedwisp | lemme look around and maybe i can get a the names of a few people at mapster who might be willing it help you out or atleast you could ask for advice |
| 02:25.48 | PrettyAwesome | I did this in game and just want to take things to the next level. I havent really seen any good machinimas at all. |
| 02:26.21 | PrettyAwesome | :o Thanks! :D |
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| 02:28.00 | PrettyAwesome | After seeing the success of Starcrafts. there is demand for content like this. But the more cinematic, the less it seems people care to watch. |
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| 02:32.22 | eranf12 | I was told to join |
| 02:32.37 | Taintedwisp | Okay the list is pretty small |
| 02:32.41 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 02:32.44 | PrettyAwesome | xD |
| 02:32.51 | Taintedwisp | But here are some people who know some stuff about the cutscene |
| 02:32.54 | eranf12 | PA who tis it? |
| 02:32.58 | Taintedwisp | zeldarules28 |
| 02:33.05 | Taintedwisp | Vailreth - if he happens to come online, he checks in every once in a while. |
| 02:33.11 | Taintedwisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.18 | eranf12 | :o |
| 02:33.21 | Taintedwisp | Blizz-Deletarius he will get questions answered too |
| 02:33.37 | Taintedwisp | Exaken - made a short cutscene |
| 02:33.47 | Taintedwisp | And then theres this documentation |
| 02:33.47 | Taintedwisp | http://us.media.blizzard.com/starcraft2/downloads/tutorial/SCII-CutsceneEditorInstructions.pdf |
| 02:33.48 | PrettyAwesome | Do you know of any ways to email them or message hem in some way? |
| 02:33.56 | eranf12 | CHEEKYTHING!? |
| 02:33.59 | Taintedwisp | who the blizzard people? |
| 02:34.07 | PrettyAwesome | Yeah. I have that open in another tab. |
| 02:34.12 | PrettyAwesome | Well any of the people you listed. |
| 02:34.14 | Taintedwisp | no you just pretty much have to wait in teh IRC(right here) |
| 02:34.32 | PrettyAwesome | Ah.. |
| 02:34.38 | Taintedwisp | exaken, vailreth, zelda you can all pvt message on sc2mapster.com |
| 02:34.57 | Taintedwisp | those are just the ones I know for a fact know how to work somewhat with cutscenes |
| 02:34.57 | PrettyAwesome | I hope they do come on. And are able to help. No way I can do this solo. |
| 02:35.03 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 02:35.16 | PrettyAwesome | Thanks for the help. :D |
| 02:35.27 | PrettyAwesome | Eran was searching for people for quite some time |
| 02:35.40 | PrettyAwesome | We had like one person respond to help us out |
| 02:35.50 | Taintedwisp | Exaken made this |
| 02:35.51 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NNsIsPAoXM |
| 02:36.58 | Repo | New experimental asset: QuestTaker - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/questtaker/ |
| 02:37.14 | PrettyAwesome | Not too bad. |
| 02:37.21 | PrettyAwesome | One of the better ones I've seen. |
| 02:37.43 | PrettyAwesome | I wonder if Blizz is goign to simplify the cutscene editor a little in HoTS |
| 02:37.53 | Taintedwisp | Still though I would HIGHLY suggest you read http://us.media.blizzard.com/starcraft2/downloads/tutorial/SCII-CutsceneEditorInstructions.pdf |
| 02:37.55 | Taintedwisp | if you havent already |
| 02:37.58 | PrettyAwesome | I have |
| 02:38.00 | Taintedwisp | kk |
| 02:38.04 | PrettyAwesome | Its open in a tab |
| 02:38.21 | Taintedwisp | ahh |
| 02:38.35 | Taintedwisp | sorry i couldnt be of more help |
| 02:38.46 | PrettyAwesome | That was more than anyone else. :) |
| 02:38.57 | PrettyAwesome | It is very appreciated. |
| 02:39.17 | PrettyAwesome | http://puu.sh/1v5xT (soon I hope this scene comes to life) |
| 02:41.57 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 02:42.13 | Taintedwisp | WARNING: SM characters have limited animations |
| 02:42.33 | Taintedwisp | Blizzard has a way of Only doing what they need |
| 02:42.45 | PrettyAwesome | I found that out quickly |
| 02:42.46 | Taintedwisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.00 | PrettyAwesome | No SMmarine 3-4 |
| 02:43.03 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 02:43.04 | PrettyAwesome | Zergling |
| 02:43.23 | PrettyAwesome | I read there is a way to force animations in trigger editor. |
| 02:43.33 | Taintedwisp | really? I didnt know that |
| 02:43.36 | Taintedwisp | i mean you could try |
| 02:43.43 | Taintedwisp | Im no triggerer though |
| 02:43.51 | PrettyAwesome | I read a post somewhere, but it wasnt into any detail. |
| 02:44.39 | PrettyAwesome | I remember learning Unreal Editor and thre being tons of recourses. Then onto Galazy and...nothing |
| 02:46.47 | Taintedwisp | sounds bout righht |
| 02:47.17 | Taintedwisp | blizzards fault |
| 02:47.36 | Taintedwisp | no support until 1.5 came out |
| 02:47.39 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 02:48.01 | PrettyAwesome | Yeah. I was watching the behind the scenes and they talked about machinima. "so much for that" |
| 02:48.03 | Taintedwisp | 2 years with nothing in an over complicated editor, and a system taht literally blocks ever map from getting players will do that |
| 02:48.48 | Taintedwisp | sc2 is still popular |
| 02:48.53 | PrettyAwesome | Yeah. I see people making some pretty cool 1v1 maps and nobody ever plays them |
| 02:49.05 | PrettyAwesome | Of course. Dreamhack had tons of viewers |
| 02:55.02 | Taintedwisp | Got damn bull shit... |
| 02:55.17 | Taintedwisp | RANT INCOMEING!!! IGNORE IF YOU WANT |
| 02:56.21 | PrettyAwesome | ?? |
| 02:56.24 | Taintedwisp | Soo, I fucking take my dumbass little brother who was kicked out of highschool to the Community college so he can finish up his diploma, I talked to my mom before i went and asked her if she could pick him up an night, since I have no working headlights, Well apearently now that she did it 1 time, its too much for her, and my brother refuses to do it too |
| 02:56.46 | Taintedwisp | sooo now I am stuck driving him to the community college at night without headlights, now how the fuck is that supposed to work |
| 02:57.02 | PrettyAwesome | It isnt |
| 02:57.13 | Taintedwisp | I mean now I am supposed to Drive him to the community college and pick him up.. |
| 02:57.21 | PrettyAwesome | One time my friend forgot to turn on his lights and we had like 3-4 cops pulkling us over looking for drugs |
| 02:57.48 | Taintedwisp | oh and the best part, i have to do it on my own money, my mom said she would "Loan" me money... and she means loan, I dont even have a fucking job |
| 02:57.52 | Taintedwisp | and only have 40$ to my name... |
| 02:57.54 | Taintedwisp | WTF... |
| 02:58.11 | PrettyAwesome | That sucks. :? |
| 02:58.13 | PrettyAwesome | That sucks. :/ |
| 02:58.32 | Taintedwisp | Both Her and my older brother both have new cars, and have nothing to do in the evenings... |
| 02:58.39 | Taintedwisp | But its too much for them |
| 02:58.47 | PrettyAwesome | Lazyness |
| 02:58.52 | Taintedwisp | one works for 6 hours and the otherone goes to school for 3 hours |
| 02:59.21 | Taintedwisp | so its not like either are over worked |
| 02:59.33 | PrettyAwesome | I'd just not do it. |
| 02:59.43 | Taintedwisp | Well its my little brother is the problem... |
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| 02:59.56 | Taintedwisp | I cant just let him not get his highschool diploma.. |
| 03:00.24 | PrettyAwesome | And that is why your mom seems to be making you do it by guilting. Lame |
| 03:00.34 | Taintedwisp | he only failed because our mom didnt wake him up or get him an alarm clock for 3 years |
| 03:01.05 | Taintedwisp | Well I am officially irritated... |
| 03:01.21 | Taintedwisp | I guess ill call up my grandma tomorrow or something and try to get him a ride... |
| 03:01.34 | Taintedwisp | but she lives 30 minutes away |
| 03:01.38 | Taintedwisp | it would take her an hour and a half |
| 03:01.58 | PrettyAwesome | Yeah. But I mean $40 and no job. Harde ron you still |
| 03:02.01 | PrettyAwesome | It seems |
| 03:02.21 | PrettyAwesome | Harder on* |
| 03:03.40 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
| 03:03.59 | Taintedwisp | So thats something great i get to Figure out tomorrow |
| 03:04.13 | Taintedwisp | and when i do get a job what am I supposed to do then? |
| 03:04.19 | Taintedwisp | ya know |
| 03:04.33 | Taintedwisp | The few places around here tht are hiring are looking for night position |
| 03:06.11 | PrettyAwesome | What state? |
| 03:06.14 | Taintedwisp | Well I'm out, going to sleep, I will be back in the irc sometime tomorrow probably around 12 PM EST |
| 03:06.15 | Taintedwisp | NC |
| 03:06.33 | PrettyAwesome | Florida. Anyways night. Thanks for all of the help. :D |
| 03:06.42 | Taintedwisp | np |
| 03:07.01 | Taintedwisp | Ill be back int he channel around noon tomorrow maybe later I have to take my little bro to get his SS card, so he can get his permit |
| 03:12.38 | ________________ | cute |
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| 06:48.01 | TwoDie | good morning! |
| 06:48.48 | turtles | good morning (afternoon here) |
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| 07:55.16 | TwoDie | anyone here knows much about presets? |
| 07:55.23 | Vindicator | ya |
| 07:55.24 | TwoDie | Triggers section |
| 07:55.25 | Vindicator | whats up |
| 07:55.45 | Vindicator | want an explanation of how to use them? |
| 07:56.47 | TwoDie | Im thinking of using them in Dialog, creating 20 dialog items and those 20 items would be somehow used between presets. does it works with loops? |
| 07:57.52 | Vindicator | presets are just numbers in the background |
| 07:58.02 | Vindicator | so anywhere you can plop a number in, you can use a preset |
| 07:58.16 | TwoDie | hmm |
| 07:58.17 | Vindicator | presets are mostly just an organizational tool |
| 07:59.42 | turtles | Do you know other languages such as C or Java? |
| 07:59.52 | Vindicator | lets say you made 20 dialog items, they could be referred to as one array of variables, "Dialog Item Variables [20]" You could then make a preset that would be made to be used with these dialog items. the names you give to the presets could be |
| 07:59.57 | Vindicator | the names of the dialog items themselves |
| 08:00.09 | ________________ | could creating like 5 variables in a trigger that gets called a lot cause laag? |
| 08:00.11 | Vindicator | and plopped into the array numbers instead of actual numbers, so you wouldn't have to remember which is which |
| 08:00.20 | Vindicator | absolutely no _____________ |
| 08:00.23 | Vindicator | *not |
| 08:00.38 | ________________ | mmk |
| 08:00.56 | Vindicator | but when you say "create" variables, do you mean setting them? |
| 08:00.58 | TwoDie | in presets numbering goes from 0 to something or 1 to something? |
| 08:01.08 | Vindicator | 0 to something, so the first preset will be 0 |
| 08:01.17 | Vindicator | i almost never use 0, so i just make a placeholder |
| 08:01.32 | TwoDie | ok thanks |
| 08:01.33 | ________________ | no, the trigger has 5 local vars |
| 08:02.06 | Vindicator | and no, i don't know programming languages haha, but i understand a ton of programming concepts and methodology, i just don't know language syntax, so i couldn't type anything in galaxy code for example |
| 08:02.14 | Vindicator | ok that's fine ___________ |
| 08:02.27 | ________________ | k |
| 08:02.56 | ________________ | making a big map so trying.g to minimize laag anywhere possible |
| 08:03.30 | Vindicator | triggers very very rarely make lag. it's pathing that i think throws people off a lot. if you have triggers spawning units and ordering them to do something, the pathing that is involved in moving the units can cause lag |
| 08:03.38 | turtles | Vindicator - I meant that question for TwoDie. Because presets are exactly the same as concepts that exist in other languages |
| 08:03.42 | Vindicator | pathing is extremely CPU intensive, but it's not common knowledge |
| 08:03.52 | turtles | so I figured I could draw a parrallel really easy to understand |
| 08:04.01 | ________________ | oic |
| 08:04.28 | TwoDie | turtles havent stumbled with presets or indepth with records so now started learning them here |
| 08:06.36 | Vindicator | presets give you pretty much no extra capabilities, like i said, presets are pretty much just organizational things, so the bigger the project, the more they could help, but you're not missing out on anything by not using them |
| 08:06.53 | turtles | sorry, I suck at irc |
| 08:06.58 | turtles | ignor above |
| 08:07.03 | turtles | ignore* |
| 08:07.11 | Vindicator | records are similar, they are organizational too, but in a different way and they are for organizing/grouping together variables |
| 08:07.13 | ________________ | ~irc |
| 08:07.13 | purl | Welcome to IRC, where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents. |
| 08:07.30 | Vindicator | what are the FBI agents? |
| 08:07.38 | Vindicator | like.. the actual ones :) |
| 08:07.44 | Taintedwisp | HEY PURL YOU STOLE MY PHRASE!!! |
| 08:07.45 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 08:07.59 | Taintedwisp | And the last part IS CHILDREN ARE FBI AGENTS |
| 08:08.39 | ________________ | purl laugh |
| 08:08.39 | purl | ACTION rolls around on the floor laughing |
| 08:08.39 | Taintedwisp | So this is what the Directors feel when i download their movies :P |
| 08:08.42 | ________________ | at him |
| 08:09.32 | Taintedwisp | Torhal runs purl!!!! GET HIM!!! |
| 08:09.33 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 08:09.45 | TwoDie | So when writting presets I need to lable it with numbers to know the organizationing thing? |
| 08:09.49 | Taintedwisp | get your torches and pitchforks!!! |
| 08:11.12 | TwoDie | vindicator |
| 08:11.16 | TwoDie | So when writting presets I need to lable it with numbers to know the organizationing thing? |
| 08:11.43 | Vindicator | you can if you want, but you don't have to. one way you can use them is if you have a dialog item image, a dialog item label, and a dialog item button, you would |
| 08:11.51 | Vindicator | create preset names calling them such |
| 08:12.00 | turtles | TwoDie when you create presets you don't have to give them a number |
| 08:12.20 | Vindicator | and then when you set the variable you could say " Set dialog item [Your preset name here for the array value]" and boom, never need to remember the numbers |
| 08:12.21 | turtles | the idea is that you are using them as a substitute for numbers |
| 08:12.36 | turtles | so for example I can create a preset type called "cars" |
| 08:12.59 | Vindicator | ya, so like i said, bigger projects benefit more from them because there's more to keep track of, so if you had an array of 500 items for an RPG, you wouldn't have to remember which number corresponded to which item |
| 08:13.00 | turtles | with preset values of "holden", "ford", "rolls royce" etc |
| 08:13.05 | Vindicator | it would just be defined via the preset names |
| 08:13.28 | TwoDie | Well i have 6 collums by 20 rows of labels, images and buttons will be created by loop and those 20 rows kinda would be perfect to be used by preset |
| 08:13.54 | turtles | and then use that for example "if cartype == Ford" |
| 08:14.25 | TwoDie | wow well thats fucked up then |
| 08:14.35 | TwoDie | too much of writting for dialog used |
| 08:14.48 | Vindicator | remember, the words are just numbers in the background |
| 08:15.03 | Vindicator | and once you make the preset, you don't type it again |
| 08:15.10 | Vindicator | you just choose the preset from the list |
| 08:15.15 | Vindicator | instead of typing in a number |
| 08:15.57 | turtles | Say you have one column which is units and another which is weapons then you could have a preset type called "collumn" |
| 08:16.16 | turtles | and then have code such as "create_collumn(weapons)" |
| 08:16.30 | Vindicator | that's one way to do it, or have a preset for all your dialog items and call a group of them Column - blahblah |
| 08:16.34 | turtles | or "if columntype == unit then do unit stuff" |
| 08:17.27 | turtles | what are the buttons for? |
| 08:18.10 | TwoDie | here for what aiming for http://www.adventurelantern.com/reviews/patrician3/3.jpg |
| 08:18.39 | Vindicator | here's another benefit of presets though: lets say you have a preset list of 50 things, 20 are one group of things and 30 are another group of things. if you plop another thing into the middle (like make the first 20 things now 21 things) the numbers in the background for |
| 08:18.49 | Vindicator | everything will change, but everything will still be associated correctly |
| 08:20.09 | Vindicator | basically it allows you to stay organized if you end up adding something you weren't planning on at first without having everything get unorganized |
| 08:21.46 | TwoDie | OK seems like it works quite nicely Thank You Vindicator and turtles for your spare time! |
| 08:22.00 | turtles | had a look at the image. There are always many ways to do things. but using presets here would prob be a good idea |
| 08:24.45 | TwoDie | well in other project like this http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/totalcraft/images/ havent used any presets or records so its kinda a lot of info there vars, and stuff |
| 08:24.52 | TwoDie | bunch of comments written |
| 08:25.00 | TwoDie | for every variable |
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| 08:43.17 | Taintedwisp | DeadZergling go back to bed |
| 08:43.20 | Taintedwisp | THis is cool people time] |
| 08:44.34 | DeadZergling | Oh, you are actually cool? When did this happen? |
| 08:44.54 | Taintedwisp | August 1992 |
| 08:44.56 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 08:45.45 | Taintedwisp | I am considering doing a great trolling |
| 08:45.55 | Taintedwisp | But I would need to make a 2nd account for it |
| 08:45.59 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 08:46.20 | DeadZergling | Could be expensive on your 40 $ budget, Mr. Cool |
| 08:46.36 | Taintedwisp | Team Gay Buttsecks, hahaha, and invite everyone on mapster |
| 08:47.23 | DeadZergling | If you were trying to prove you are cool, just stop, we already knew you weren't. |
| 08:49.13 | Taintedwisp | AHAHAHAH Yo Deadzergling look and listn hahaha |
| 08:49.14 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImWmdyEFMpU&feature=g-all |
| 08:49.23 | Taintedwisp | is nintendo really serious |
| 08:49.24 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 08:51.25 | Taintedwisp | No internet, no backwards compatability, comes with 0 games, 1 controller, for 100$ :P |
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| 08:51.53 | Taintedwisp | A new wii with 2 games (Wii sports and Wii Sports Resort), is 130$ and 75 for a used wii with Wii sports resort haha |
| 08:52.10 | Taintedwisp | Nintendo is just killing themselves worse and worse |
| 08:52.14 | TwoDie | well it lets you to play with it like trowing into the wall if still havent crashed poop on it or set your HOUSE ON FIRE |
| 08:53.04 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 08:53.25 | DeadZergling | I dunno, I think phone prices are equally stupid |
| 08:53.38 | DeadZergling | the new iphone whatever number, 300-400 bucks |
| 08:53.44 | DeadZergling | then comes w/ a bonus monthly fee |
| 08:56.21 | Taintedwisp | hahah listening to the Wii U review |
| 08:56.22 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
| 08:56.38 | TwoDie | go map making better! |
| 08:56.39 | Taintedwisp | The new controller last 3 hours battery, and Takes 2.5 hours to charge lawl |
| 08:57.00 | Taintedwisp | The controller only goes 25 feet from teh system or up to 10 feet through a wall |
| 08:57.07 | Taintedwisp | My direct tv remote goes better then taht |
| 08:59.44 | G0A | :D |
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| 09:03.59 | Taintedwisp | anyone else think its funny Nintendo made a Next Gen System with speccs that are as good as its last gens competitors? |
| 09:04.00 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 09:04.23 | Taintedwisp | When teh next Xbox or PS3 or valve system comes, they will be higher then 1080p and then nintendo will be gone again |
| 09:04.40 | Taintedwisp | All nintendo did was add HD, and Add a tablet |
| 09:08.20 | Taintedwisp | Wow didnt know this happend a month ago |
| 09:08.25 | Taintedwisp | or 2 months ago |
| 09:08.26 | Taintedwisp | http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/24/technology/apples-feud-with-google-is-now-felt-on-the-iphone.html?pagewanted=all |
| 09:08.31 | Taintedwisp | LOL Iphones are fucked |
| 09:08.41 | Taintedwisp | Not because of maps, but removing youtube.... |
| 09:08.45 | Taintedwisp | that will hurt |
| 09:09.18 | Taintedwisp | nvm |
| 09:09.26 | Taintedwisp | Google was stupid and saved them... |
| 09:09.40 | Taintedwisp | Doesnt google know that if they would have left Youtube off Iphones that people would have switched |
| 09:09.49 | Taintedwisp | and apple would have been hurt severly |
| 09:11.12 | ________________ | if I create a trigger tactical ai for a default unit (like a sentry) that won't get rid of its old tactical ai that made it cast guardian shield and stuff right? |
| 09:18.57 | TwoDie | unknown chat line: most likely |
| 09:19.59 | ________________ | rofl I like the name u gave me |
| 09:20.05 | ________________ | also, damn |
| 09:26.28 | ________________ | Hmm, then I need to find a way to add to tactical without overriding |
| 09:26.53 | ________________ | or else things will get sloppy |
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| 09:47.42 | turtles | If google banned iphones from seing youtube they would face multi million/billion dollar lawsuits |
| 09:47.51 | turtles | and probably lose |
| 09:48.08 | DeadZergling | not to mention losing a ton of their customer base |
| 09:48.19 | DeadZergling | people don't like being told where they can and can't go |
| 09:49.28 | turtles | They would lose customers and their image would be dragged through the mud. But I don't know how many people would just up and leave |
| 09:49.40 | turtles | it would hurt them in the long term though thats for sure |
| 09:50.45 | DeadZergling | well |
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| 09:51.04 | DeadZergling | on one hand, people would want to switch to be have more freedom, which is the whole point of those silly phones |
| 09:51.26 | DeadZergling | on the other, people might be used to the iphone, not want to pay some fee for discontinuing service |
| 09:51.57 | Monkalizer | oh noes, are we stuck in an iphone vs android vs windows phone flamewar? |
| 09:52.04 | DeadZergling | naw |
| 09:52.14 | DeadZergling | just apparently iphone wants to block youtube |
| 09:52.20 | Monkalizer | ha! |
| 09:52.21 | DeadZergling | from being visible on their phone |
| 09:53.06 | Monkalizer | i have this theory of siri being steve jobs brain transplanted into a server-park. |
| 09:53.23 | DeadZergling | I can see people posting communist themed pictures to show apple already |
| 09:53.37 | Monkalizer | mhm |
| 09:53.39 | Monkalizer | world domination |
| 09:53.53 | DeadZergling | I more meant the censorship thing |
| 09:54.09 | Monkalizer | well.. there are many ways to skin a cat ^^ |
| 09:54.26 | Monkalizer | is this a new news or an old news? |
| 09:54.27 | DeadZergling | Why don't you share them with us? |
| 09:54.50 | ________________ | where can I find triggerlibs\AI.galaxy? |
| 09:55.58 | Monkalizer | oh, its the native youtube app thats being removed? |
| 09:56.46 | ________________ | nvm found it sortve... how can I look in .SC2 Data files? |
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| 09:59.06 | Monkalizer | hm, a swedish woman has been found to have several skeletons at home (human) that she bought online. Apparantly she was going to have sex with them, or use them as "toys" |
| 10:01.57 | Monkalizer | some people... |
| 10:03.27 | duckies | yeah, some people are qutite interesting like that :D |
| 10:03.41 | ________________ | nvm got it, had to dust off my old mpq editor |
| 10:03.45 | duckies | *quite |
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| 10:19.13 | zenxu | wop wop hello |
| 10:21.28 | duckies | greeting to you too mighty zenx |
| 10:32.33 | zenxu | oh you on a freeday too? |
| 10:32.34 | zenxu | buddy |
| 10:33.38 | duckies | aye |
| 10:33.40 | zenxu | well im off to eat some stuff and do some school stuff |
| 10:33.41 | zenxu | ncie one |
| 10:33.43 | zenxu | high five |
| 10:33.44 | zenxu | me too |
| 10:33.49 | zenxu | but still gotta work to do :D |
| 10:33.55 | duckies | quite so |
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| 10:34.19 | Monkalizer | a real mapper have no vacation |
| 10:35.22 | duckies | yes, for a real maper anything you do benefits your mapping, even not doing mapping :3 |
| 10:36.24 | duckies | I wonder how would a fake mapper look like |
| 10:37.45 | duckies | anyway, I'm off to eat as well |
| 10:38.04 | Saeris | good news, i got ability tracking working |
| 10:38.19 | Saeris | bad news, reactor morphs spam the event and crash the game |
| 10:38.39 | Monkalizer | now i got hungry.... |
| 10:39.04 | Saeris | so far the only solution is to specify exactly what abilities are a valid event =/ |
| 10:39.16 | Monkalizer | hm... |
| 10:40.06 | Saeris | simply by using the present Any Ability Command, reactor morph will cause 50 event per game loop |
| 10:40.10 | Saeris | =/ |
| 10:40.19 | Monkalizer | ouch |
| 10:41.18 | Monkalizer | that sounds really strange - is the morph firing ability events continously during its execution? |
| 10:41.51 | Saeris | yes, because the ability will fire continuously when a a matching structure is next to it |
| 10:41.57 | Saeris | when for example i lift off the barracks |
| 10:42.00 | Saeris | the events stop |
| 10:42.23 | Saeris | i tried a bunch of execution stages too |
| 10:42.29 | Saeris | all of them cause it |
| 10:43.01 | Monkalizer | does filtering out certain abilities with conditions help? |
| 10:43.24 | Saeris | nope, doesn't stop[ the events, just stops execution of the trigger |
| 10:43.31 | Saeris | conditions still get checked |
| 10:44.09 | Saeris | at least i don't have to make a separate trigger for evey event, haha |
| 10:44.16 | Saeris | had to do that for unit creation >.> |
| 10:44.28 | Saeris | only way i could track the stages for unit training |
| 10:45.15 | Saeris | turns out it's too problematic to have a condition to check training, since a structure can have multiple queues for training |
| 10:46.32 | Monkalizer | hm, perhaps you should reconsider your choice of abilities usage. If you know when a unit is complete you also know when its construction began |
| 10:46.43 | Monkalizer | time of completion minus time of construction |
| 10:47.04 | Monkalizer | that would be a post-processing solution of course... |
| 10:47.17 | Saeris | well yea, i don't track that really |
| 10:47.39 | Saeris | but even still, i need to note the time training starts and when it ends (for any reason) |
| 10:48.23 | Monkalizer | how about just printing out all units being produced att a given time point? |
| 10:48.43 | Saeris | unit creation actually doesn't cause any problems, lol |
| 10:48.56 | Monkalizer | at time T, list all units that are being constructed |
| 10:49.23 | Monkalizer | buildings are a type of units |
| 10:49.31 | Saeris | i have all the functions in one action definition to keep the code in one place, and there's 6 triggers to handle all the events |
| 10:50.11 | Monkalizer | i see... |
| 10:50.27 | Monkalizer | i have to eat lunch now :) |
| 10:50.37 | Saeris | abilitity usage is by far the most problematic so far. even the periodic checks don't cause as many problems as they do |
| 10:51.08 | Zolden | you better catapult your lunch in sake of bright future of the universe |
| 10:51.09 | Monkalizer | hm, yeah, i think i concluded that it was not important and left it out of my trackers ;) |
| 10:51.34 | Monkalizer | no, i lick my lunch like a cat |
| 10:52.05 | Monkalizer | at least when i |
| 10:52.12 | Zolden | my cat gonna have his lunch too, meowing for it |
| 10:52.14 | Monkalizer | i'm having soup |
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| 11:12.46 | Zolden | what is the difference between DU_WEAP and DU_WEAP_MISSILE? |
| 11:27.03 | TwoDie | how to make attached model to lock his rotation but would change only position |
| 11:28.40 | turtles | have you tried playing with the "turnable" field? |
| 11:28.47 | turtles | in the units flags? |
| 11:29.36 | TwoDie | MODEL actor not unit |
| 11:29.53 | TwoDie | it will turn the building when built |
| 11:30.46 | TwoDie | i need that attached Flag Model to Unit at offset or attachable point would hold Rotation but not position and tried using such things in model actor but not seems like working |
| 11:45.41 | Zolden | TwoDie: it has something to do with "local" checkbox |
| 11:45.46 | Zolden | of the SOp |
| 11:46.21 | Zolden | so, probably you need to have "local" unchecked on rotation sop |
| 11:47.06 | Zolden | just impemented a chain lightning and ctrl+f9-ing to check if it work |
| 11:51.34 | Zolden | oh, worked, waht a surprize |
| 11:52.03 | turtles | I'm always worried when something works |
| 11:52.44 | turtles | If it doesn't work then it should be easy to find out why. If it APPEARS to work then that means that the bugs are subtle and hard to find |
| 11:53.30 | Zolden | yea |
| 11:53.50 | TwoDie | Zolden not seems like works |
| 11:54.45 | Zolden | try to play with local offset's local flag, jsut to know what it does |
| 11:54.56 | Zolden | there definitely was something about it |
| 12:06.18 | turtles | I wish there was a way to get the game time (how much time has passed in game) |
| 12:06.59 | turtles | Or at least a timer which counts UP instead of DOWN |
| 12:07.20 | TwoDie | well you can start time with Game Time |
| 12:07.27 | TwoDie | trigger |
| 12:07.58 | TwoDie | anyway found that there a lot of ppl had this problem and seems like havent solved it (actor attached rotation hold) |
| 12:10.33 | TwoDie | real time != game time |
| 12:10.37 | TwoDie | cause of faster game speed |
| 12:11.03 | turtles | yes, so if you want to know what the game time is you do.... what? |
| 12:11.13 | turtles | other than have a periodic trigger |
| 12:11.21 | turtles | and keep track of it yourself |
| 12:11.39 | TwoDie | create global variable with Timer type |
| 12:12.05 | turtles | timers count down from X to zero |
| 12:12.09 | TwoDie | and go to preset to set the time to go INFINITE |
| 12:12.46 | turtles | In most situations infinite - x = infinite |
| 12:12.48 | TwoDie | problem solved? |
| 12:12.56 | TwoDie | no? |
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| 12:13.09 | TwoDie | it will go forever that timer |
| 12:13.16 | TwoDie | most likely |
| 12:13.21 | turtles | yes... how does that help you? |
| 12:13.29 | turtles | maybe I haven't explained properly |
| 12:13.40 | TwoDie | or i havent uderstood |
| 12:13.57 | turtles | I want to know how long the game has been played for |
| 12:14.03 | TwoDie | and |
| 12:14.07 | TwoDie | so its easy |
| 12:14.29 | turtles | with a timer set to infinity? |
| 12:14.34 | TwoDie | yes |
| 12:14.34 | turtles | how |
| 12:14.40 | TwoDie | whats how? :/ |
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| 12:14.45 | turtles | if the game has been playing for 10 minutes |
| 12:14.58 | turtles | how do you find out that it has been played for 10 minutes |
| 12:15.02 | TwoDie | Start Timer Timer: (No Value) Repeating: One Shot Duration: Infinite Time Type: Game Time. |
| 12:15.27 | TwoDie | well |
| 12:15.34 | turtles | and then look to see how much time is left on the timer? |
| 12:15.47 | turtles | the timer will forever be stuck at infinity wont it? |
| 12:16.12 | turtles | I would think that it would either never change or just bug out |
| 12:16.12 | TwoDie | every 0.1 sec period event. Condition Timer > 10mins actions |
| 12:16.30 | TwoDie | you think really wrong about it |
| 12:16.34 | turtles | timer > 10minutes will ALWAYS be true |
| 12:16.43 | turtles | because infinity > 10 minutes always |
| 12:16.49 | TwoDie | no it will not |
| 12:17.04 | TwoDie | elapsed Timer time |
| 12:17.08 | TwoDie | in condition |
| 12:17.09 | TwoDie | gg wp |
| 12:17.47 | TwoDie | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.25 | turtles | timers store the current time as well as the initial set time. So I would figure that elapsed time is calculated by (initial time - current time) |
| 12:18.40 | turtles | which is valid except for infinity |
| 12:18.53 | TwoDie | omg |
| 12:18.56 | TwoDie | go just do it |
| 12:19.00 | TwoDie | stop talking |
| 12:19.29 | TwoDie | your logic here is so unwanted, go for practical things |
| 12:19.37 | turtles | lol, ok. |
| 12:26.19 | turtles | wow, ok it works in the practical sense. But that doesn't mean it makes any sense lol |
| 12:27.39 | TwoDie | sharpens his sword |
| 12:30.21 | turtles | But it breaks mathematics! |
| 12:30.28 | turtles | runs and hides! |
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| 13:05.22 | DeadZergling | well had enough fun with dialogs for tonight |
| 13:06.00 | DeadZergling | The hell with the person who informed me you didn't have to make arrays of dialogs, took forever to change all the tiny little values to make it work as single dialog objects |
| 13:08.09 | Zolden | tried chain lightning with marks instead of behaviors, tried all combinations of damage effect start/end points: beam appears either between tower and each target like a fan, or each target attacks itself... So, how to make it to be a chain of beams? Any ideas? |
| 13:10.03 | DeadZergling | try starting it w/ a create persistent that has marker enabled |
| 13:10.19 | DeadZergling | I've never been able to get markers to work properly unless the markers started at a create persistent or a weapon |
| 13:10.25 | DeadZergling | anyways, I'm out. |
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| 13:35.09 | zenxu | you know what guys |
| 13:35.13 | zenxu | ITS FUCKING COLD OUTSIDE |
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| 13:36.24 | duckies | thats awesome, I love cold <3 |
| 13:36.46 | duckies | do you have snow yet? |
| 13:37.31 | TwoDie | lol a price for texture http://www.colourbox.com/image/thatched-roof-texture-closeup-of-straws-image-1906817 |
| 13:39.07 | duckies | it just dropped to 9.50 from 12.50? |
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| 13:40.37 | zenxu | we got snow broh |
| 13:41.30 | TwoDie | duckies the drop doesnt changes the fact the price is still fucked up |
| 13:42.19 | turtles | They are not individually priced. It's just 9.50 on any photo. |
| 13:42.42 | turtles | If someone had individually selected that photo and decided it was worth 9.50 that would be fucked up |
| 13:42.52 | duckies | I wonder if it'll continue to drop till 0.000099€ |
| 13:43.25 | duckies | eh zenxu, all we have here is fog and dirt :| |
| 13:43.34 | TwoDie | ohhh |
| 13:43.48 | TwoDie | still the numbers is really high no matter for what |
| 13:44.02 | TwoDie | for texture of for more textures or something something something |
| 13:44.54 | duckies | the amount is that is asked for a single picture prevents me thinking seriosly about that |
| 13:46.35 | Ahli | maybe it's for printing and putting it onto your wall |
| 13:46.56 | TwoDie | Zolden when exporting Normals you do not need to generate MIP stuff? |
| 13:49.54 | turtles | If you had a business and you found a good image to use in promotional material it would be well worth it |
| 13:50.11 | turtles | but not for hobbyists or personal use |
| 13:54.28 | Zolden | TwoDie: what's mip stuff? |
| 13:54.48 | TwoDie | well generating 10 smaller images of same image |
| 13:56.36 | Zolden | never heard of |
| 13:56.54 | Zolden | what exporting normals you mean? |
| 13:57.19 | TwoDie | :/ |
| 13:58.11 | Zolden | whaat, i don't get what u mean |
| 14:03.40 | TwoDie | well i guess doenst matter |
| 14:04.04 | TwoDie | exporting Normal map in PS you can generate mip need or not |
| 14:07.44 | TwoDie | http://snag.gy/sZ7Yo.jpg |
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| 14:16.26 | G0A | duckies how did you make a tip in help which can be expanded by the view hint button? |
| 14:16.44 | duckies | it's a cheat type of hint |
| 14:16.49 | Zolden | TwoDie: yeah, this look more like you have a normal map |
| 14:16.55 | duckies | same they use in scMaster custom |
| 14:17.46 | TwoDie | Zolden cause of the angle of the light incoming |
| 14:17.50 | TwoDie | anyway |
| 14:20.40 | TwoDie | left to experiment those wow units |
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| 14:40.31 | Dogmai | oi |
| 14:40.32 | Dogmai | whos here |
| 14:40.40 | Dogmai | ~seen blizz-deletarius |
| 14:40.45 | purl | blizz-deletarius <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 1d 18h 43m 46s ago, saying: 'afk - lunch'. |
| 14:41.00 | Dogmai | Someone once gave me a really good website to find voice over artists |
| 14:41.02 | Dogmai | but i lost it |
| 14:41.04 | Dogmai | -_- |
| 14:41.08 | Dogmai | and google is being a bitch |
| 14:46.03 | Dustin|Work | My best friend is a Voice Actor |
| 14:46.58 | Dogmai | where are you from? |
| 14:47.06 | Dustin|Work | Kansas |
| 14:47.12 | Dogmai | guy/girl? |
| 14:47.18 | Dustin|Work | He's in Cali atm, male |
| 14:47.35 | Dogmai | I have been working my ass off to find someone to do some VO work for tofu |
| 14:47.40 | Dustin|Work | http://kylemccarley.com/ |
| 14:47.41 | Dogmai | and everyone keeps fucking ignoring me |
| 14:48.03 | Dustin|Work | He's got a deadline of december 9th to get some audio books done, after that he'd probably have time |
| 14:48.17 | Dustin|Work | I'll get with him and see if he's interested |
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| 14:48.29 | Dogmai | sorry, fucken pressed control+W i hate that shit |
| 14:48.41 | Dustin|Work | He's got a deadline of december 9th to get some audio books done, after that he'd probably have time |
| 14:48.41 | Dustin|Work | <Dustin|Work> I'll get with him and see if he's intereste |
| 14:49.29 | Dogmai | I think we are either gonna be releasing the weekend of the 8th or the weekend of the 15th |
| 14:50.06 | Dogmai | I havn't decided which one yet, depends on how fast Blizzard comes to the table |
| 14:50.35 | TwoDie | Zolden problem when running the animation http://snag.gy/Gn6oW.jpg helmet blinks with white black spots :/ |
| 14:50.59 | Saeris | hmmm, whatcha waiting on blizz for? |
| 14:51.22 | Dogmai | Well, I want my account to be flagged to upload to all servers before I release Tofu |
| 14:51.29 | Dogmai | so I can do a day one worldwide release |
| 14:51.42 | Dogmai | I already bought an extra key |
| 14:51.45 | Dogmai | i dont want to buy more |
| 14:52.11 | Saeris | ah |
| 14:52.52 | Dogmai | If you change his pitch by 20% he sounds like he should be on southpark Dustin |
| 14:52.53 | Saeris | dunno if they will let you do that. thought i heard publish to all regions was coming in HotS. if that's the case they may not let you do it until then |
| 14:52.59 | Dogmai | no |
| 14:53.09 | turtles | If they can do that I'm surprised they don't do it for pro players |
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| 14:53.14 | Dogmai | When I last asked Blizzard about this I was told to upload tofu publically first |
| 14:53.21 | Dogmai | Over my dead body |
| 14:53.24 | TwoDie | Zolden btw have imported the model without Vertex Normals cause seems like the faces didnt really recieve right the light |
| 14:53.44 | Dogmai | I don't want anyone to miss out because of some beaurocratic stuff |
| 14:54.28 | turtles | why would they want you to upload public before giving you access to all regions |
| 14:54.55 | Dogmai | Because I asked for quite a bit more than that as well |
| 14:55.22 | Saeris | well, i wouldn't get up in arms about it. probably won't make things go faster if you're impatient about it |
| 14:55.23 | Dogmai | Its just the way it is |
| 14:55.33 | Dogmai | You upload, it gets featured, you get flagged |
| 14:56.05 | Dogmai | Nah I ain't up in arms, but I ain't gonna be releasing the project if it isn't fair for everyone |
| 14:56.24 | Dogmai | Regardless what Dryeyece says, Americans simply don't understand Australian culture |
| 14:57.18 | Dogmai | Fairness is to us what Freedom is to you guys |
| 14:57.43 | turtles | It couldn't be that hard for them to at least email you 5 account numbers for each region and let you do the rest |
| 14:58.11 | turtles | one for each region* |
| 14:58.19 | Dogmai | Well thats it, but its getting the community manager to agree to it |
| 14:58.29 | Dogmai | And I havn't been able to get in touch with the community manager yet |
| 14:58.30 | Saeris | depending on who you're talking to, it may take a ton of time to work it's way through the system |
| 14:58.35 | Dogmai | Only developers and producers |
| 14:58.50 | Saeris | talking to customer support or PR is a lot different than to the developers |
| 14:58.58 | Dogmai | I realise that |
| 14:59.20 | Saeris | was responding to turtles |
| 14:59.39 | Dogmai | See PR is really difficult |
| 14:59.47 | Dogmai | Cause they would be putting a lot of trust in me not to pull some shit |
| 15:00.03 | Dogmai | And given the history of sc2 map makers |
| 15:00.06 | Dogmai | That isnt a wise thing to do |
| 15:00.47 | Dogmai | From my point of view; they dont have a project of this size released |
| 15:00.54 | Dogmai | Supporting us after we release is one thing |
| 15:00.59 | Dogmai | But we need the support before we release |
| 15:01.13 | Dogmai | And IMO, they should be giving pre-release support to projects that have already shown their worth |
| 15:01.25 | Dogmai | Blizzard has a copy of Tofu, several devs have played the game |
| 15:03.08 | Dogmai | So its not like they don't know we exist - the community team though, they probably don't know we exist, or to what extent are the things we have accomplished |
| 15:03.11 | Saeris | there's a lot of things they could be doing better in regards to the mapping community, but sadly it doesn't seem we're that high on the priority list, because we represent a small subset of the playerbase (as in us, the devs, not the people playing out content) |
| 15:03.46 | Dogmai | Well they are always complaining that they dont have any amazing projects yet |
| 15:03.49 | Dogmai | -_- |
| 15:04.01 | turtles | Are they worried about everyone else getting agro that you got special treatment maybe? I got some people to upload to EU and Korea for me but I think I got lucky that I found guys as helpful and patient as them |
| 15:04.03 | Zolden | TwoDie: have importing without vertex normals fixed the problem with wow models lightning? |
| 15:04.29 | Dogmai | Numerous people have already have their accounts flagged |
| 15:04.33 | Dogmai | Because they were featured |
| 15:04.40 | TwoDie | zolden ididnt helped for helmet, thats way i showing you it |
| 15:04.41 | turtles | oh, ok. I didn't realise that |
| 15:05.10 | Zolden | TwoDie: good |
| 15:05.14 | TwoDie | :DDD |
| 15:05.16 | TwoDie | not really |
| 15:05.21 | TwoDie | helmet fucked up |
| 15:05.25 | Zolden | can you show me the whole model how it look in the editor? |
| 15:05.41 | TwoDie | 3ds or map editor? |
| 15:05.46 | Zolden | map editor |
| 15:08.36 | TwoDie | http://snag.gy/EfNSF.jpg straight from your model pack and it wasnt imported and fixed vertex thing in 3ds |
| 15:09.53 | Zolden | look kinda gay |
| 15:10.14 | TwoDie | :/ |
| 15:10.43 | Zolden | must be improved with mesh-related normal map |
| 15:10.59 | Zolden | i'd try, but i'm mapping my map |
| 15:11.35 | Zolden | also it needs a specular map with white on metal and grey on clothes |
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| 15:12.29 | Zolden | and mes-related normal map must be mixed with diffuse-related to make armor details pushed up |
| 15:12.33 | TwoDie | Thats way we want YOU to improve HOMM |
| 15:12.38 | Zolden | *popped up |
| 15:12.59 | Zolden | then it will be a candie |
| 15:13.03 | Zolden | candy |
| 15:13.16 | Zolden | now it's paper garbage |
| 15:13.39 | TwoDie | well that isnt really necessery since almost you will not be able to see those small details in map even upclose |
| 15:13.59 | Zolden | but still i'll try to do all this |
| 15:14.03 | Zolden | to see if it work |
| 15:14.11 | Zolden | i will need some wow models in my map too |
| 15:19.39 | zenxu | great fucking hell |
| 15:19.46 | zenxu | gona go on a ship day after tomorrow |
| 15:19.51 | zenxu | and its gona be windy as fuck |
| 15:20.07 | zenxu | so windy the boat is going to go all titanic on me |
| 15:20.20 | Dustin|Work | How big is the boat |
| 15:21.32 | Zolden | how big id the water reservoir |
| 15:21.38 | zenxu | pretty big like a cruiser size |
| 15:21.48 | zenxu | ocean sized pool |
| 15:21.54 | Zolden | what is boat's destination? |
| 15:22.00 | zenxu | stockholm |
| 15:22.07 | Zolden | what is starting location? |
| 15:22.12 | zenxu | helsinki |
| 15:22.24 | zenxu | can you pls make the wind go away now zolden? |
| 15:22.30 | zenxu | since you got the information required to do so |
| 15:22.40 | Zolden | by data or by trigers? |
| 15:22.41 | Dustin|Work | I went on a cruise earlier this year, was sweeeet |
| 15:23.11 | zenxu | just make it happen :( |
| 15:23.24 | zenxu | aww I bet it is |
| 15:23.29 | Zolden | purl, set the wind off |
| 15:23.34 | zenxu | but weather can ruin a bit of it :( |
| 15:23.41 | Dustin|Work | Ya |
| 15:24.00 | Zolden | I think wind doesn't matter since it's the motherfucking winter and you trevel by nothern seas |
| 15:24.06 | Dustin|Work | It was pretty windy when we went, so I didnt have a chance to use the waterpark on the ship :( |
| 15:24.42 | Dustin|Work | I was probably too drunk most of the time for that to have been a good idea though |
| 15:24.44 | Dustin|Work | so meh lol |
| 15:25.27 | TwoDie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFR-ADakI-c&feature=g-vrec |
| 15:25.31 | zenxu | aww man |
| 15:25.36 | zenxu | I think my ship has water stuff too |
| 15:26.22 | Zolden | next time use spaceship, it's out of wind activity |
| 15:26.34 | Zolden | unless we talk about sun wind |
| 15:26.56 | Zolden | but ships can fly away from the sun to some quiet space areas |
| 15:27.03 | Zolden | like the one where pacman settles |
| 15:27.06 | zenxu | I just got a bit scared |
| 15:27.10 | zenxu | since it was even on news |
| 15:27.16 | zenxu | "storm hits the sea" |
| 15:27.25 | zenxu | so im like "FFFUUUU" |
| 15:27.34 | Zolden | new titanic? |
| 15:27.55 | zenxu | problöy yes |
| 15:28.21 | Zolden | jsut count lifeboats before entering the ship |
| 15:28.22 | zenxu | should probly release my map before I leave so I can become a legendary mapper who died young |
| 15:29.32 | Ahli | "XML: Food Error in category 'None'." I'm surprised what strange error messages other people cause o0 |
| 15:29.43 | Zolden | if you become a ghost, go to blizzard devs and whisper to their sleeping ears about improving terrain deformer actors |
| 15:29.58 | Zolden | food error? |
| 15:31.04 | zenxu | thats only think you would wish from blizzard :/ |
| 15:31.26 | zenxu | I think deformers work pretty decently |
| 15:31.49 | Ahli | I wish they could be used in smaller areas |
| 15:32.23 | zenxu | you just need to make everything bigger |
| 15:35.13 | Ahli | then they need to raise the map size |
| 15:36.16 | zenxu | indeed |
| 15:37.12 | Zolden | Ahli, they can't be improved to smaller areas, because they don't affect areas, they only affect points |
| 15:37.39 | Zolden | so, the smallest area is 2v2, if you raise/lower 1 point |
| 15:38.07 | Ahli | they effect the area in one tile and the area around it |
| 15:38.52 | Zolden | it looks like they affect tile, but they affect the points in the corner of the tiles |
| 15:39.09 | Zolden | 1 tile raise men you raised 4 points of the tile |
| 15:40.06 | Zolden | but you can raise only 1 point to affect jsut 4 tiles |
| 15:43.18 | zenxu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU4jjdRzy3w&feature=player_embedded#! |
| 15:43.43 | zenxu | pretty sad how some are so rich and some are so poor |
| 15:48.01 | Zolden | r u socialist? |
| 15:49.51 | zenxu | whats that |
| 15:50.16 | zenxu | I dont really care about poor people, but since I found the video its still pretty sad |
| 15:50.28 | zenxu | I think I just hate overly greedy people general |
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| 16:00.11 | Dogmai | chinese abuse chinese worst than you can imagine |
| 16:00.20 | Dogmai | they treat white people like gods |
| 16:00.37 | Dogmai | but treat each other worst than anything you can even possibly imagine |
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| 16:04.07 | duckies | hey g0a, you busy? |
| 16:04.36 | duckies | how about some slide? |
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| 16:23.43 | TwoDie | Zolden how is your map progress going? |
| 16:24.24 | Zolden | like 12 hours of mapping a day |
| 16:27.10 | TwoDie | that doesnt really says the progress quantity done and left |
| 16:27.34 | Zolden | well, it's slow, full of experiments and blunders, but still 12 hours |
| 16:28.36 | Zolden | let's say 15% |
| 16:29.02 | Zolden | hrd to say |
| 16:32.48 | zenxu | hmpf if I had as much debt as greece, would EU give me some moneyz? |
| 16:36.02 | Zolden | they would rather lure you to a huge boat and sink it |
| 16:38.39 | zenxu | you are in a debt -> lend more money -> and they are suppose to pay back with more debt...somehow doesnt seem like a solid plan to me |
| 16:39.22 | zenxu | I dont like politicians lying to us :( |
| 16:39.40 | Zolden | how to trigger a number-hotkey for a unit, like if someone would select it and press ctrl+1 |
| 16:40.33 | turtles | you mean control groups? |
| 16:40.47 | Zolden | dunno |
| 16:40.50 | TwoDie | How to balance the income in AoK :/ |
| 16:40.51 | Zolden | probably |
| 16:41.14 | zenxu | give everyone same income |
| 16:41.15 | turtles | you can add a unit group to a control group. Search for control group in the trigger editor and you'll find it |
| 16:41.19 | zenxu | seems balanced to me |
| 16:41.24 | Zolden | ok, ty |
| 16:41.35 | turtles | no problem |
| 16:41.35 | Ahli | greece still owns gold |
| 16:41.50 | TwoDie | zenxu your suggestion sucks but seems like something new thought of |
| 16:42.16 | zenxu | well thats what you get for asking such question :D |
| 16:42.27 | zenxu | and its not like its wrong |
| 16:42.58 | TwoDie | but its sucks! |
| 16:43.14 | zenxu | no! |
| 16:43.21 | zenxu | I like it |
| 16:43.21 | TwoDie | yes |
| 16:43.39 | Zolden | turtles: what section is it in? |
| 16:44.00 | Zolden | russian editor knows nothing about "control group" |
| 16:44.40 | Ahli | selection |
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| 16:44.51 | turtles | you want "unit selection" |
| 16:44.55 | MasterReY | Hello guys :D |
| 16:45.00 | turtles | that is what it is on english editor |
| 16:45.06 | duckies | evening Rey |
| 16:45.13 | MasterReY | just a very quick question, how can i force a player to be a certain color ingame? |
| 16:45.22 | MasterReY | and not have any option for color in the lobby |
| 16:45.22 | duckies | yes you can |
| 16:45.39 | MasterReY | "how" can i? :D |
| 16:45.39 | duckies | you can remove color options form lobby |
| 16:46.17 | duckies | first thing you could go to game variants and lock all the colors :D |
| 16:46.30 | turtles | You open the trigger editor and search for "color" and then read the bunch of functions to see if it is there |
| 16:46.40 | turtles | that should be step 1 |
| 16:46.55 | MasterReY | well im in game variants |
| 16:47.01 | MasterReY | i know how to do it for most colors |
| 16:47.06 | MasterReY | but white and blqack arent there :( |
| 16:47.20 | MasterReY | white and black only possible via triggers? |
| 16:48.00 | duckies | no idea, in that case go with triggers :D |
| 16:48.41 | MasterReY | kk i did |
| 16:48.43 | MasterReY | thanks anyways |
| 16:48.45 | MasterReY | bye bye :D |
| 16:48.54 | duckies | noo, don't leave us :'( |
| 16:50.23 | Zolden | turtles: yea, found it |
| 17:07.24 | turtles | why is it that I can go to sleep whenever I go to bed but I never actually GET sleepy until about 6 AM |
| 17:07.47 | turtles | so I have no incentive to go to sleep in the first place :( |
| 17:07.52 | turtles | night everyone |
| 17:12.10 | Zolden | mapping affects us this way |
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| 17:13.09 | mille25 | evening. |
| 17:14.29 | Ahli | first time I try to use redirect missile :o |
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| 17:51.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | morning |
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| 17:57.45 | TheSkunk__ | Good afternoon, Delete |
| 17:58.14 | Blizz-Deletarius | hey Skunk |
| 17:58.16 | ________________ | say hi |
| 17:58.24 | ________________ | ~say hi |
| 17:58.24 | purl | hi |
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| 18:12.08 | zenxu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT0DpLkQYMU&feature=g-logo |
| 18:12.14 | zenxu | "woken up by god" |
| 18:12.21 | zenxu | FFFUUUCK |
| 18:12.57 | zenxu | I dont care if they believe but its fucking anoying that this shit is being showed to other peoples faces |
| 18:23.13 | TwoDie | anyone know where to find UI buttons Alliance and Trade ones? |
| 18:24.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | what are you looking for in particular? |
| 18:24.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | the name of it? |
| 18:26.42 | TwoDie | the buttons themselves |
| 18:26.48 | Zolden | ew, zergling farts if we click it alot |
| 18:26.50 | TwoDie | want to resize or atleast relocate |
| 18:27.07 | TwoDie | Zolden :O |
| 18:27.34 | Blizz-Deletarius | no, I get that |
| 18:27.58 | Blizz-Deletarius | but, what information do you need? are you trying to modify them via an over-ride? are you trying to do this in triggers? |
| 18:28.12 | Blizz-Deletarius | are you just trying to get the name of it so that you can modify them? |
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| 18:29.02 | Taintedwisp | hey everyone |
| 18:29.31 | TwoDie | well i guess would try to modify them in editor UI section if i can find them there. Want those buttons to Relocate or Resize to be bigger for eye to see |
| 18:29.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok, thanks, one moment |
| 18:30.20 | Zolden | hmm, waht projectile should pig turret have? |
| 18:30.38 | Blizz-Deletarius | Bacon |
| 18:30.42 | Blizz-Deletarius | obviously |
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| 18:30.48 | Zolden | :) |
| 18:30.49 | Taintedwisp | hey vailreth |
| 18:30.51 | Taintedwisp | hows it going? |
| 18:31.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | alliance button: <Frame type="Button" name="AllianceButton"> try that |
| 18:31.12 | Vailreth | it goes well |
| 18:31.16 | Vailreth | hello Tainted |
| 18:31.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | trading...1 sec |
| 18:31.33 | Blizz-Deletarius | might be this: <Frame type="Button" name="TeamResourceButton"> |
| 18:32.17 | TwoDie | Blizz-Deletarius thanks |
| 18:32.33 | Vailreth | this month i created a new card combat table top game following the LCG style |
| 18:32.44 | Taintedwisp | lol cool |
| 18:32.52 | Vailreth | atleats i have a prototype of this game .. |
| 18:33.15 | Taintedwisp | uhg |
| 18:33.20 | Vailreth | wish i could settle down and becreative on one project all year long til i get one done |
| 18:33.22 | Taintedwisp | todays the 28th... |
| 18:33.27 | Vailreth | yeah |
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| 18:35.49 | Taintedwisp_ | oh its awesome, I am sick, throwing up all day, and because my mom and brother just dont want to do it, i have to take my little brother To and from school, oh and the icing on the cake, my car has no headlights and his class is at night, so I have to keep my brights own, and get honked at, and screamed at every 5 seconds |
| 18:36.24 | Vailreth | wow today is suck for you man. |
| 18:36.39 | Taintedwisp_ | meh if this sickness would go away then I would be fine |
| 18:36.52 | Taintedwisp_ | I dont mind the honking, but I dont wanna hear it when I got a headache |
| 18:36.53 | Taintedwisp_ | haha |
| 18:37.03 | Vailreth | come on get up, get down with the sickness? |
| 18:37.14 | Vailreth | sorry |
| 18:38.09 | Taintedwisp_ | Sickness doesnt bother me either... |
| 18:38.23 | Taintedwisp_ | The real thing I am worried about, is if my Brights go out while I am driving again |
| 18:38.30 | Vailreth | ack. |
| 18:38.36 | Vailreth | yeah that could be a problem |
| 18:38.41 | Taintedwisp_ | < has a very dangerous car |
| 18:38.50 | Vailreth | sound slike |
| 18:38.51 | Taintedwisp_ | Last night I had to take him to school |
| 18:38.57 | Taintedwisp_ | It was raining real hard |
| 18:39.04 | Taintedwisp_ | Neither of them cared then |
| 18:39.35 | Taintedwisp_ | They both have a brand new car One "didnt wanna add unneccesary miles on his car": and the other "I'm too tired after working at a school for 6 hours" |
| 18:40.45 | Taintedwisp_ | yeah my mom teaches at an elementary school.... |
| 18:40.46 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 18:40.53 | Vailreth | e |
| 18:40.57 | Vailreth | i see |
| 18:41.07 | Taintedwisp_ | Bahhhh |
| 18:41.12 | Taintedwisp_ | Either way its annoying as hell |
| 18:41.33 | Taintedwisp_ | Bad eyes + sick + Cold car with no heat + No headlights + at night time... |
| 18:41.35 | Taintedwisp_ | I dred it now |
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| 18:41.43 | Blizz-Deletarius | :| |
| 18:42.20 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 18:42.25 | Vailreth | undertsandable |
| 18:44.06 | Taintedwisp_ | not to mention when I got home last night, I was insulted for 15 minutes.... |
| 18:44.10 | Taintedwisp_ | sooo theres that too |
| 18:44.22 | zenxu | so what did you do |
| 18:44.26 | zenxu | to get insulted so badly |
| 18:44.51 | Zolden | Taintedwisp_: just smoke some weed and relax |
| 18:45.28 | Vailreth | brb folks ima go have lunch |
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| 18:49.15 | TwoDie | Blizz-Deletarius how to make those UI buttons Alliance and Trade would be always visible? http://www.sc2mapster.com/paste/6632/ doesnt work :/ |
| 18:55.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | you just want them to always be visible? |
| 18:55.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | lemme check |
| 18:55.34 | Blizz-Deletarius | well for 1, it shouldn't matter, but it might |
| 18:55.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | use double quotes (") around the value instead of single quotes like you have |
| 18:56.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | try that and se |
| 18:56.21 | Blizz-Deletarius | see* |
| 18:58.06 | zenxu | hey |
| 18:58.09 | zenxu | deletarius |
| 18:58.22 | zenxu | is wilson writing that pvp blog |
| 18:58.25 | zenxu | he should |
| 18:58.42 | zenxu | pretty anoying that blizzard is anouncing stuff lately and then not delivering it |
| 18:58.52 | Helral|Afk | the frame name is not correct TwoDie. |
| 18:59.08 | Helral|Afk | unless you want to create a button with the name AllianceButton |
| 18:59.30 | TwoDie | i really dont |
| 18:59.52 | TwoDie | want to relocate rezise existing already parts |
| 18:59.55 | TwoDie | modify |
| 19:00.27 | Helral|Afk | http://www.helral.eu/SC2LayoutFrames.html <-- look up the names here, then click show frame notation. it shows the notation you want for the frame. |
| 19:00.57 | Helral|Afk | as long as it hasn't changed since 1.5.1 :P |
| 19:01.23 | Dustin|Work | Update your shit Helar! |
| 19:01.28 | Dustin|Work | Helral* |
| 19:02.54 | Helral|Afk | I can't as I am afk :p |
| 19:03.03 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 19:03.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's true, look at his name |
| 19:03.07 | Dustin|Work | Clearly :P |
| 19:03.22 | Dustin|Work | My tag also says im working |
| 19:03.31 | Dustin|Work | But we see that isn't true right now :D |
| 19:03.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | mine clearly says that I'm at Blizzard |
| 19:03.43 | Blizz-Deletarius | which is true |
| 19:04.01 | Dustin|Work | Well I'm AT work |
| 19:04.19 | Ahli | are you trying to alter the existing buttons? |
| 19:04.21 | Dustin|Work | But im typing to you cause I got no phone calls or projects going on at this moment :D |
| 19:04.36 | Helral|Afk | I created a device by which I can chat on IRC with my mind :p |
| 19:04.46 | Dustin|Work | I'd buy it |
| 19:08.33 | TwoDie | so the UI buttons thing doesnt work either way |
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| 19:11.15 | Ahli | twodie, try this: http://pastebin.com/iQ5YB0JS |
| 19:12.52 | TwoDie | how about comments in UI? // or does <? ?> go any rows below till it finds the end '?>' ? |
| 19:14.49 | TwoDie | i see neither :/ |
| 19:14.51 | Ahli | <!-- UI Container - for all ui elements above the world --> is what Blizzard uses in their layouts... the UI editor doesn't like comments in some places. It only likes them above frames. |
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| 19:15.10 | TwoDie | yeah |
| 19:16.01 | Ahli | it moves them around, if they are in "weird" positions when you load the map again |
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| 19:19.43 | Blizz-Deletarius | Ahli |
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| 19:19.56 | Ahli | Blizz-Deletarius: |
| 19:20.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | hi |
| 19:20.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | so |
| 19:20.05 | TwoDie | doesnt worrk |
| 19:20.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | re: the bug you sent over |
| 19:20.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | abouttttttttttt |
| 19:20.16 | Ahli | the trigger action |
| 19:20.26 | Blizz-Deletarius | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | yea, that thing |
| 19:20.32 | Ahli | http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5967267734 |
| 19:21.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | we're currently looking into it at the moment |
| 19:21.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | just wanted to let you know |
| 19:21.13 | TwoDie | Ahli your suggested script doesnt work :/ |
| 19:21.19 | Ahli | =/ |
| 19:21.31 | Blizz-Deletarius | we have the issue narrowed down though |
| 19:22.23 | Monkalizer | now thats one ugly function name |
| 19:22.36 | Ahli | it's the holy grail of functions |
| 19:23.03 | Monkalizer | more like the unholy grail, if its also buggy |
| 19:23.22 | Monkalizer | its like not only getting slapped in the face with a fish, but also a rotten fish |
| 19:23.27 | Ahli | I can't get it to work :S I think I failed at least 3 times when I tried to use it |
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| 19:25.35 | Monkalizer | it seems useful though |
| 19:25.38 | Ahli | I hope Blizzard will never fix their alliance system... it's using info the player doesn't have in the team colored bars, but it's fitting well into my map... |
| 19:26.10 | Monkalizer | i made one of those functions in a mod called Gunship - to attach radar icons on units that was either red or green |
| 19:26.19 | Ahli | the color is defined by the alliance the other unit's owner has towards the player instead of the player towards the other unit's owner |
| 19:26.42 | Monkalizer | hehe |
| 19:27.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | I can't wait for you guys to get a hold of the next patch for HoTS editor :) |
| 19:27.07 | mille25 | Blizz-Deletarius: When talking about bugged functions, do you by accident know if there are any updates about this issue? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7006344921 |
| 19:27.12 | Ahli | but it allows us to have yellow bars for units that you have a neutral alliance to. |
| 19:27.17 | Monkalizer | heh crazy stuff |
| 19:28.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | no idea, but I just sent out an email about it |
| 19:28.27 | mille25 | Okay, thanks. :) Btw whats so awesome about the next beta patch? :D |
| 19:28.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | cool things to help minimize the amount of work you have to do with some trigger operations |
| 19:29.04 | Ahli | examples? |
| 19:29.06 | mille25 | Huh? |
| 19:29.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | can't really say |
| 19:29.16 | Ahli | they add holy grail function :D |
| 19:29.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | but let's just say |
| 19:29.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | some highly repetitive actions have been streamlined by a huge amount |
| 19:30.03 | mille25 | Please just tell me that the overview manager doesnt need 5mins to load anymore with the next patch... :'( |
| 19:30.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | it takes you 5 minutes to load the overview manager? o_O |
| 19:30.30 | Ahli | I don't even use the overview manager :D |
| 19:30.37 | mille25 | yes, triggers. |
| 19:30.52 | mille25 | i probably have the largest galaxy script in history though |
| 19:30.54 | mille25 | but still :D |
| 19:31.02 | Blizz-Deletarius | hmmm |
| 19:31.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | gotcha |
| 19:31.19 | mille25 | ive already made a post on the forums a while back |
| 19:31.31 | Ahli | let's see how long my diablo maps takes :D |
| 19:31.34 | DeadZergling | speaking of bugs, this one never got noticed at all it seems, http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7004342953 |
| 19:31.35 | mille25 | it would be awesome if that could be optimized like it was done for trigger validation (used to take 5minutes, too) |
| 19:31.45 | mille25 | now it takes 3 seconds |
| 19:31.52 | Ahli | black magic :o |
| 19:32.03 | mille25 | more like a more efficient algorythm :D |
| 19:32.11 | Ahli | I'm sure they sacrificed goatmen to achieve that |
| 19:32.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | we've been working on improving performance where we can |
| 19:32.47 | mille25 | yeah i noticed it alot and it was all steps in the right direction |
| 19:32.52 | mille25 | there are still some sluggish parts though |
| 19:32.53 | Blizz-Deletarius | :) |
| 19:32.58 | Blizz-Deletarius | right |
| 19:33.01 | mille25 | that you might not notice until you work with huge scripts |
| 19:33.50 | mille25 | 1.5.1 editor is horrible still |
| 19:33.54 | mille25 | 2.0.1 is nearly perfect |
| 19:33.56 | Ahli | opening the manager requires 22 seconds |
| 19:34.03 | Ahli | it might loaded terrain, though |
| 19:34.09 | mille25 | opening or clicking on triggers tab? |
| 19:34.44 | mille25 | opening is rather quick, im more talking about loading trigger list |
| 19:34.49 | mille25 | to view triggers etc |
| 19:34.53 | Ahli | opening |
| 19:35.03 | mille25 | yeah opening is rather okay |
| 19:35.03 | Ahli | triggers will take a while :D |
| 19:35.09 | mille25 | (22 seconds still sucks but its okay) |
| 19:35.31 | Ahli | 42.5mb uncompressed |
| 19:35.39 | mille25 | not bad |
| 19:35.45 | mille25 | :D |
| 19:36.26 | TwoDie | Where to submit bugs? i have one really annoying one :/ |
| 19:36.44 | mille25 | i think blizzard probably didnt believe that people would put so much script into maps, so some of their tools cant handle it well or were not tested with this large amount of data |
| 19:36.53 | DeadZergling | Better question, where do you submit bugs so they get noticed, http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7004342953 been up there for nearly a month, nothing |
| 19:37.11 | mille25 | DeadZergling: here. :D |
| 19:37.12 | Blizz-Deletarius | you can put them into the bug forum |
| 19:37.46 | Blizz-Deletarius | our QA team will take a look at it |
| 19:38.16 | Ahli | well, 4.5 minutes |
| 19:38.18 | Zolden_ | so, if I set a damage aura to a projectile (say, marauder's missile) it will hurt all units it fly over? |
| 19:38.20 | Ahli | not that bad |
| 19:38.26 | mille25 | Ahli: see :D |
| 19:38.54 | mille25 | 4.5 minutes is unusable, except you go afk during work. |
| 19:38.56 | DeadZergling | Pretty much Zolden |
| 19:39.10 | Zolden_ | DeadZergling: will weapon's marks work in this case? |
| 19:39.46 | DeadZergling | should, just set validator to no markers |
| 19:39.53 | Zolden_ | alright |
| 19:39.53 | Ahli | what are you doing with the triggers in the overview manager, mille25? |
| 19:40.09 | DeadZergling | or make a custom one if you want a unit to be able to get hit multiple times |
| 19:40.18 | DeadZergling | can use less than 2 markers, 3, 10, whatever |
| 19:40.21 | mille25 | i like using it from time to time, for example to replace specific functions or search for locations of certain debug messages. |
| 19:40.29 | mille25 | (that i dont remember) |
| 19:40.53 | Ahli | I use the search in the trigger editor for that |
| 19:40.56 | Zolden_ | DeadZergling: custom mark? like behavior? |
| 19:41.09 | mille25 | in some cases the OM is better |
| 19:41.17 | mille25 | for example if i wanna see if a specific parameter exists |
| 19:41.17 | mille25 | etc |
| 19:41.26 | DeadZergling | naw, like a custom Validator |
| 19:41.31 | DeadZergling | is no markers |
| 19:41.32 | Zolden_ | oh, got it |
| 19:41.35 | DeadZergling | but could easily copy paste that |
| 19:41.40 | DeadZergling | make it a different marker count |
| 19:41.42 | mille25 | also, the search is kinda laggy for me aswell |
| 19:41.46 | Zolden_ | no markers wants =0 |
| 19:41.49 | mille25 | and skips results |
| 19:41.50 | mille25 | sometimes |
| 19:42.09 | DeadZergling | aye, just pointing out you aren't limited to no markers only |
| 19:42.18 | Zolden_ | alright |
| 19:42.21 | Ahli | it skips some in the defualt case of the switch, yes |
| 19:42.33 | Ahli | it only finds the first one inside it I think |
| 19:42.34 | Zolden_ | just making sonic tank attack |
| 19:42.57 | mille25 | i dont use the overview manager like all the time, but sometimes when i would like to use it i nearly throw my monitor out the window cause its so annoying. |
| 19:43.11 | mille25 | also what i HATE is: |
| 19:43.15 | mille25 | it shows disabled lines aswell |
| 19:43.21 | mille25 | and i didnt find an option to disable that |
| 19:43.29 | Ahli | it does? :S |
| 19:43.32 | mille25 | yeeep |
| 19:43.46 | mille25 | they look exactly like enabled lines |
| 19:43.51 | mille25 | no difference |
| 19:43.54 | Ahli | oh, that's why it displays so many triggers for me :D all my cheats for testing |
| 19:44.00 | mille25 | yep. |
| 19:44.26 | mille25 | there should either be an option to disable that or even better a visual indicator for disabled stuff :) |
| 19:44.32 | mille25 | or both. |
| 19:44.57 | DeadZergling | sounds like someone can look forward to an even longer load time |
| 19:45.02 | DeadZergling | w/ extra options like that |
| 19:45.24 | mille25 | nah it wont influence load time |
| 19:45.28 | mille25 | the problem is the algorythm |
| 19:45.45 | Ahli | it would be just a few more variables... you process the thing in the same way |
| 19:45.52 | Ahli | iterate over everything |
| 19:46.02 | mille25 | it could even get faster if disabled stuff is ignored. |
| 19:46.19 | Ahli | true |
| 19:47.01 | mille25 | for sure i dont exactly know how the data is processed but im 99% sure its fucked up. |
| 19:47.08 | mille25 | like i knew it was the case for trigger validation. |
| 19:47.45 | mille25 | its alot of data but 5 minutes seems way over the top |
| 19:48.07 | DeadZergling | by the way, just how many lines of code does your galaxy script have anyways? lol |
| 19:48.36 | mille25 | SCU consits of multiple parts, mainly the engine and the maps (while maps add additional script) |
| 19:48.41 | mille25 | engine only has about 75000 |
| 19:49.37 | mille25 | and it doesnt contain any content |
| 19:49.45 | mille25 | the problem is that we use script for spells |
| 19:49.50 | mille25 | for various reasons |
| 19:50.41 | mille25 | so alot of lines are added by spell scripts |
| 19:50.51 | Ahli | I've only 57k lines created by GUI :D |
| 19:51.02 | mille25 | i use GUI aswell |
| 19:51.13 | mille25 | it adds alot of unnecessary lines though |
| 19:51.28 | mille25 | id guess it could save about 10k lines or so |
| 19:51.36 | DeadZergling | unwanted else, anyone? lol |
| 19:51.38 | mille25 | just by removing comments etc |
| 19:52.29 | mille25 | i probably would use galaxy if there was a good, built in support |
| 19:52.44 | DeadZergling | Think mine is in the range of 25-30k at the moment, will get bigger when I add in my 2 other classes in the triggers, quests, more items |
| 19:53.25 | mille25 | i mean seriously, galaxy is unusable without external tools |
| 19:53.27 | DeadZergling | is half gui, half custom script pretty much |
| 19:53.28 | mille25 | and even then it sucks. |
| 19:53.36 | Ahli | how long does compiling your triggers take? :X |
| 19:53.47 | mille25 | oh compiling is rather quick |
| 19:53.50 | mille25 | 5 seconds or so |
| 19:53.59 | mille25 | its fine. |
| 19:54.02 | Ahli | why the heck do I need to wait like 2minutes? |
| 19:54.20 | Ahli | I'm gonna take the time... |
| 19:54.26 | mille25 | dont know :( |
| 19:55.01 | Ahli | the whole saving 5 seconds? |
| 19:55.02 | DeadZergling | speaking of taking the time |
| 19:55.05 | Ahli | for the map |
| 19:55.18 | mille25 | yeah for the engine i would say about 5-10 seconds |
| 19:55.18 | DeadZergling | took me a few nights to convert all my dialogs from arrays to single dialog objects |
| 19:55.25 | DeadZergling | that really sucked |
| 19:56.04 | mille25 | why did you use arrays? |
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| 19:56.19 | DeadZergling | Well, I didn't realize you could alter/show a single array object |
| 19:56.22 | DeadZergling | for multiple players |
| 19:56.30 | DeadZergling | so I started off making array of dialogs |
| 19:56.31 | mille25 | oh yeah thats a common mistake |
| 19:57.06 | mille25 | alot of people that didnt work with dialogs before do this mistake |
| 19:57.12 | DeadZergling | Didn't really have to do it, but doing it wrong bothered me |
| 19:57.37 | mille25 | yeah sure. it also wastes alot of space if everything is an array |
| 19:57.42 | mille25 | since dialog items need to be arrays, too |
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| 19:57.45 | mille25 | if you use dialog arrays |
| 19:57.57 | DeadZergling | aye, was less efficient |
| 19:58.01 | DeadZergling | so had to be resolved |
| 19:58.04 | Monkalizer | why are there no try-catch functions in the editor? |
| 19:58.23 | DeadZergling | because work/fail is so much funner? |
| 19:58.40 | Ahli | 2.5 minutes :S |
| 19:59.03 | mille25 | oh wow that really sucks Ahli ... :( i never had this issue. i would go insane. |
| 19:59.23 | DeadZergling | hrrrmmm, that is assuming Ahli isn't already insane |
| 19:59.35 | Ahli | it's the main reason I'm only progressing very slowly with my map atm |
| 19:59.36 | mille25 | :P |
| 19:59.45 | mille25 | did you send your map to blizzard? |
| 19:59.48 | Ahli | I'm not motivated enough to endure these waiting times |
| 19:59.53 | mille25 | to analyze this issue? |
| 20:00.02 | Ahli | I didn't know that this was an issue :D |
| 20:00.04 | Zolden | Ahli 2.5 minutes of what? |
| 20:00.25 | Ahli | Blizz-Deletarius: my map takes 2.5 minutes to save triggers. mille25's one takes 5 seconds... something is wrong |
| 20:00.34 | mille25 | i could test for you ahli, but i guess you dont wanna send me your unprotected map haha. |
| 20:00.36 | Ahli | real time |
| 20:00.41 | mille25 | but it would be interresting to test on another computer maybe. |
| 20:00.42 | Ahli | for saving trigger changes |
| 20:00.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | o_O |
| 20:01.00 | mille25 | to see if its the map or maybe an issue with your computer. |
| 20:01.10 | Ahli | 3ghz, 4 cores |
| 20:01.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | I wonder if that's the same issue that Fockewulf had... |
| 20:01.31 | Blizz-Deletarius | Ahli, which version of the tools are you using? |
| 20:01.37 | mille25 | as an example: since i have the engine stored in dropbox i always get an error on saving, that says it cant remove a folder. also the editor hangs for about 5 seconds. |
| 20:01.37 | Ahli | 1.5.3 WoL |
| 20:01.38 | DeadZergling | good chance, but to be fair didn't he have plenty of issues to share? |
| 20:01.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | that *may* be it |
| 20:02.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | let me see if I can find the bug |
| 20:02.00 | Ahli | I test it in hots editor |
| 20:02.03 | mille25 | well i also use 1.5.3 |
| 20:02.11 | mille25 | and dont have this issue. |
| 20:02.23 | Ahli | :( |
| 20:02.48 | Blizz-Deletarius | ahli |
| 20:02.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | are you using a lot of attachments? |
| 20:03.13 | Ahli | attachments like actors in data? |
| 20:03.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes |
| 20:03.27 | Ahli | a few |
| 20:03.38 | Ahli | but saving with unsaved trigger changes is slow |
| 20:03.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | what is the biggest file in your map and how big is it? |
| 20:04.45 | Ahli | of all files including the map own ones or imported raw assets? |
| 20:04.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | nothing to do with assets |
| 20:04.58 | Blizz-Deletarius | ie |
| 20:05.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | actordata.xml |
| 20:05.10 | Ahli | ok, biggest file in total |
| 20:05.16 | zenxusamaisback | its over 9000! |
| 20:05.17 | Ahli | compressed or uncompressed? |
| 20:05.20 | zenxusamaisback | the largest one |
| 20:05.25 | Blizz-Deletarius | :| |
| 20:05.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | get out |
| 20:05.33 | zenxusamaisback | hahha |
| 20:05.37 | Ahli | so, size inside mpq or outside mpq |
| 20:05.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | either or |
| 20:07.03 | Ahli | "Triggers" with 41497KB |
| 20:07.21 | Ahli | uncompressed |
| 20:07.42 | Ahli | compressed: 4515KB |
| 20:09.16 | mille25 | Ahli: what happens if you use the 2.0.1 editor AND move the file to a different location (if possible another parition or even hard drive)? |
| 20:09.22 | Ahli | second biggest is "t3TextureMasks" with 16684KB uncompressed, compressed: 936KB... then Minimap picture |
| 20:10.13 | Ahli | my partitions are only logical |
| 20:10.38 | Ahli | I have only 1 hard drive |
| 20:11.15 | mille25 | what happens if you copy the map and delete everything besides triggers in the .mpq? |
| 20:11.25 | mille25 | like data, terrain etc |
| 20:11.26 | Blizz-Deletarius | afk - lunch |
| 20:11.33 | Ahli | let me test 2.0.1 editor :D |
| 20:12.29 | mille25 | make sure no to test with the original |
| 20:12.32 | mille25 | might fuckup map |
| 20:12.35 | Ahli | oh, libraries are now in the same area as own triggers |
| 20:12.39 | mille25 | *not |
| 20:12.43 | Ahli | I'm not that stupid :D |
| 20:12.51 | Ahli | at least not atm |
| 20:12.59 | Vailreth | hah |
| 20:13.02 | mille25 | hehe im just saying :) |
| 20:13.25 | mille25 | some people told me they moved to 2.0.1 editor already |
| 20:13.29 | mille25 | even though its beta |
| 20:13.36 | mille25 | what id never do personally. |
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| 20:16.16 | Ahli | 2minutes 15 seconds saving in hots |
| 20:17.19 | mille25 | seriously |
| 20:17.21 | mille25 | i would freak out |
| 20:17.38 | Ahli | I didn't do much the last 3 months in the map... |
| 20:17.44 | mille25 | yeah understandable. |
| 20:17.53 | Ahli | if I save, I switch to opera and enjoy internet for a few minutes |
| 20:17.56 | DeadZergling | long saves aren't too scary compared to the fun issues I keep discovering |
| 20:17.59 | mille25 | especially since you need to save prior to testing, right? |
| 20:18.10 | Ahli | yes |
| 20:18.17 | DeadZergling | So far I've managed to corrupt my game variants a month or so ago, corrupt my own map editor a week ago, lol. |
| 20:18.19 | mille25 | so basically its unsable. |
| 20:19.18 | mille25 | now id try to delete everything but triggers |
| 20:19.24 | mille25 | or maybe delete triggers only |
| 20:19.28 | mille25 | and see if it fixes the issue |
| 20:19.43 | mille25 | if yes you at least know that its triggers and can investigate further or send blizzard a bug report |
| 20:20.00 | DeadZergling | divide and conquer, is a good strategy mille |
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| 20:20.14 | mille25 | you might even start deleting 50% of triggers and see if it fixes the issue |
| 20:20.18 | mille25 | if not delete the other half |
| 20:20.26 | mille25 | and so on |
| 20:20.58 | mille25 | its actually a strategy i used from time to time |
| 20:21.04 | mille25 | always delete half of total |
| 20:21.16 | mille25 | if its not fixed delete other half, if it fixes the issue delete half of half |
| 20:21.18 | mille25 | and so on |
| 20:21.32 | mille25 | at some point you already have a pretty good idea what triggers cause it |
| 20:22.18 | Zolden | divide by zero and conquer |
| 20:22.27 | Ahli | I deleted all imported assets into the map |
| 20:22.58 | Ahli | it should be triggers... if I have no unsaved changes in triggers, it's fast |
| 20:23.10 | Ahli | if I change something in triggers, saving takes 2+ minutes |
| 20:23.29 | mille25 | then see what happens if you just delete half of all triggers |
| 20:23.34 | Monkalizer | what kind of error message do you get? |
| 20:23.44 | Ahli | no errors, just slow saving |
| 20:24.14 | Monkalizer | have you considered breaking it up into sub-mods? |
| 20:24.33 | Zolden | sometimes I have "stop mapping, go back to real life" error |
| 20:24.36 | Monkalizer | i have this problem too, and this solved it ^^ |
| 20:24.52 | Ahli | no. I dislike to break up the code into mods because I can't edit it anymore on the fly |
| 20:24.59 | Vailreth | ah |
| 20:25.18 | Monkalizer | Zolden: does not compute |
| 20:25.40 | Ahli | so, deleting approx the half of my trigger code now... that is really hard to predict where it is :S |
| 20:25.57 | mille25 | i guess you have some sort of folder structure |
| 20:26.04 | mille25 | so just delete half of them haha |
| 20:26.22 | Ahli | yes, but some folders contain a lot of code |
| 20:26.28 | mille25 | so this is what could happen: |
| 20:26.28 | mille25 | 1) |
| 20:26.40 | Ahli | removing is slow :S |
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| 20:27.56 | Ahli | so, this was the objects in use window now |
| 20:27.59 | mille25_ | sry |
| 20:28.02 | mille25_ | irc disconnected for me |
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| 20:28.17 | mille25_ | so once again: there are 3 scenarios |
| 20:28.28 | mille25_ | 1) save time gets approx 1 minute |
| 20:28.34 | mille25_ | 2) save time stays approx 2mins |
| 20:28.42 | mille25_ | 3) save times goes down alot, to a couple of seconds |
| 20:28.46 | Ahli | or more like 5 seconds |
| 20:28.51 | mille25_ | all 3 options tell us smth. |
| 20:29.04 | mille25_ | worst would be 1) |
| 20:29.07 | Ahli | I'm still removing :S |
| 20:29.15 | mille25_ | yeah it will take some time |
| 20:29.18 | mille25_ | + throw errors |
| 20:29.20 | Ahli | which means linear or the bug is everywhere :D |
| 20:29.27 | mille25_ | exactly. |
| 20:29.29 | Ahli | I had the objects inuse window already |
| 20:29.42 | mille25_ | oh okay |
| 20:29.46 | mille25_ | must have been a huge list |
| 20:29.47 | mille25_ | haha |
| 20:30.03 | Ahli | ok, let's test saving |
| 20:30.10 | mille25_ | moment of truth. |
| 20:30.43 | Ahli | yeah... |
| 20:31.00 | Ahli | like 20-25 seconds |
| 20:31.13 | mille25_ | 20-25 sec save time? |
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| 20:31.51 | Ahli | 25 seconds |
| 20:31.53 | mille25_ | congratz, you just won the jackpot :)) |
| 20:31.55 | Vailreth | grah |
| 20:32.17 | DeadZergling_ | Hi vailreth, haven't seen you in forever |
| 20:32.19 | mille25_ | next step is CTRL+Z |
| 20:32.25 | mille25_ | and delete 25% of all triggers |
| 20:32.31 | mille25_ | (or half of last half) |
| 20:32.32 | mille25_ | and so on |
| 20:32.38 | Vailreth | yeah ive been busy on other non digital projects |
| 20:32.43 | Ahli | oh, it seems I deleted a loooooot more than half of it |
| 20:32.52 | Vailreth | well they are digitial but not videogame related |
| 20:32.54 | mille25_ | :( |
| 20:33.01 | Ahli | mapscript is only 125mb compressed atm |
| 20:33.07 | Ahli | 25kb |
| 20:33.15 | Ahli | 125kb down from 2.4mb |
| 20:33.21 | mille25_ | lol... |
| 20:33.25 | mille25_ | then 25s is actually really bad |
| 20:33.27 | mille25_ | D: |
| 20:33.48 | Ahli | indeed |
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| 20:34.20 | mille25_ | however, that doesnt mean that you cant make progress with this testing method |
| 20:34.35 | Vailreth | any one here have a regular gaming group that play table top games with? |
| 20:34.44 | DeadZergling_ | how have those been going? |
| 20:34.48 | mille25_ | but i would definatly send your map to blizzard for analysis. |
| 20:35.04 | DeadZergling_ | table top games, you mean board games? |
| 20:35.07 | Ahli | different approach now: delete libraries and all triggers |
| 20:35.13 | Vailreth | well enough, thank you for asking |
| 20:35.13 | Vailreth | board and card games |
| 20:35.24 | Vailreth | pen and paper rpgs too |
| 20:35.56 | DeadZergling_ | me, nope, had a friend who did pen and paper RPGs hardcore though |
| 20:36.17 | DeadZergling_ | of course had another friend who made his own honey mead, and cosplayed a knight on weekends |
| 20:36.30 | Vailreth | nice |
| 20:36.44 | DeadZergling_ | the latter friend was kind of illegal |
| 20:36.53 | DeadZergling_ | he brewed his own alcohol and sold it, lol |
| 20:37.17 | Vailreth | was it spirits or ales and the like? |
| 20:37.36 | DeadZergling_ | not sure, I just know he used a shit ton of honey |
| 20:38.03 | Vailreth | you can brew and sell your own beers pretty much but distilled spirits are illigal save for big compamies |
| 20:38.25 | DeadZergling_ | it must have been t he latter then |
| 20:38.35 | DeadZergling_ | he did mention it wasn't exactly legal, lol |
| 20:38.42 | Vailreth | ah |
| 20:38.56 | Vailreth | so you knew a moonshiner nice |
| 20:39.27 | mille25_ | let me know how it goes, Ahli |
| 20:39.34 | Ahli | just started |
| 20:39.42 | Ahli | I deleted all triggers and all disabled functions |
| 20:39.45 | Vailreth | i want to brew my own beers |
| 20:39.46 | Ahli | and all libraries |
| 20:39.52 | DeadZergling_ | haha yea, and a guy who also enjoyed beating the hell out of people dressed as a knight |
| 20:40.09 | Vailreth | yeah.. |
| 20:40.09 | Ahli | but it will be terrible ;D |
| 20:40.16 | DeadZergling_ | out of curiosity vailreth, why do you ask? |
| 20:40.36 | DeadZergling_ | about the table games |
| 20:40.51 | Vailreth | i have one i am developing and need some testplayers |
| 20:41.12 | Vailreth | i lack a local gaming group |
| 20:41.26 | Ahli | 1:18... 2174kb uncompressed mapscript |
| 20:41.28 | Vailreth | and need people to try my game out for playability and balance issues |
| 20:41.39 | DeadZergling_ | need to recruit red mage from 8 bit theater |
| 20:41.40 | DeadZergling_ | me thinks |
| 20:42.08 | Vailreth | more like Yugi from Yugioh as its a card game.. |
| 20:42.12 | Ahli | I'm a bit confused that the size dropped down that much |
| 20:42.34 | DeadZergling_ | ah, well I can hardly play crazy eights and poker myself |
| 20:42.37 | DeadZergling_ | lol |
| 20:42.39 | Ahli | oh no it didnt |
| 20:42.49 | Ahli | but it was faster... :S |
| 20:42.57 | Vailreth | this game is a bit more simple and yet complex |
| 20:43.24 | mille25_ | wait what did you do now? |
| 20:43.30 | mille25_ | didnt you have 43000 uncompressed? |
| 20:43.39 | mille25_ | how can it still be 1:18 for 2100? |
| 20:43.39 | DeadZergling_ | ahli fed his hamster |
| 20:43.41 | Ahli | should I check the lines? |
| 20:43.45 | DeadZergling_ | inside his cpu |
| 20:43.55 | Vailreth | ok think of it as magic the gathering as played with the mechanics of blood and magic |
| 20:44.15 | Ahli | 50k lines now |
| 20:44.40 | Ahli | the 43k uncompressed was the value in overview manager |
| 20:44.56 | Ahli | it checks the internal trigger GUI xml file size. |
| 20:45.04 | DeadZergling_ | Yea, well I'm not gonna say I know what any of that is Vailreth, as I don't, I'm just more of a contra player at heart, lol |
| 20:45.06 | mille25_ | so how many lines did you have for 2,5min? |
| 20:45.06 | Ahli | but that isn't published in locked maps. |
| 20:45.21 | Vailreth | or you have cards, each card has either a postive or a negative upkeep. and you have to keep you upkeep in the black while simultaniously attempting to depelet you oponents life as he does the same to you |
| 20:45.30 | Ahli | 57k |
| 20:45.47 | mille25_ | so it dropped by 1 minute for 7k lines. |
| 20:45.53 | mille25_ | seems pretty good to me |
| 20:46.08 | Ahli | yes. but I removed every disabled function, too |
| 20:46.10 | DeadZergling_ | sounds like you put a lot of thought into it Vailreth, just don't waste your explanations on me is all I'm saying |
| 20:46.16 | DeadZergling_ | As I won't get it, lol |
| 20:46.21 | Vailreth | ah |
| 20:46.54 | DeadZergling_ | cool that you are doing that though |
| 20:47.00 | Vailreth | thanks |
| 20:47.03 | Ahli | the overviewmanager's uncompressed size dropped by 6mb |
| 20:47.30 | Ahli | 36.7mb now |
| 20:48.58 | DeadZergling_ | all I know of those card games is from a few yugioh's I accidentally watched, just know the card w/ the most light effects and said in the most dramatic tone always wins, lol |
| 20:49.21 | Vailreth | yeah thats pretty much true |
| 20:49.41 | DeadZergling_ | if it were true in real life, I'd be unbeatable |
| 20:49.45 | Ahli | I delete the actor data... dele mentioned attachments |
| 20:49.48 | DeadZergling_ | Lay down my weak blue slime card |
| 20:49.48 | Vailreth | i was actually thinking of a web comic to avertise my game... |
| 20:49.53 | DeadZergling_ | in the most dramatic way possible |
| 20:50.45 | DeadZergling_ | lol, did decide to have my RPG have slimes, the duplication element is a fun one |
| 20:50.49 | mille25_ | well, disabled functions should be ignored for compiling, Ahli |
| 20:50.53 | mille25_ | since they dont show up in .galaxy |
| 20:52.25 | Ahli | saving was now approx 1:10 without actor data |
| 20:52.47 | mille25_ | based on 1:18 or 2:30? |
| 20:53.23 | mille25_ | ill be back in a sec |
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| 20:55.19 | Ahli | it was based on 1:18... so roughly the same... |
| 20:55.30 | mille25 | yeah as expected. |
| 20:56.13 | Ahli | it doesn't save the areas where you didn't change something... so it should be teh same |
| 20:56.14 | DeadZergling_ | just as an odd question, anyone else here seen Sword Art Online? |
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| 21:01.55 | Ahli | saving with 3 big code folders deleted |
| 21:02.47 | Ahli | 18 seconds |
| 21:03.27 | Ahli | for 16k lines in mapscript |
| 21:03.48 | DeadZergling_ | out of curiosity |
| 21:03.55 | DeadZergling_ | if you were to copy paste that a couple times |
| 21:04.17 | DeadZergling_ | i'd be curious if it is the code you deleted |
| 21:04.25 | DeadZergling_ | or just at a certain point |
| 21:04.33 | DeadZergling_ | the save times start to get much higher |
| 21:06.26 | mille25 | okay so you deleted 16k of 53k lines |
| 21:06.32 | mille25 | and save time went from 2:30 to 0:18? |
| 21:06.57 | Ahli | 53 down to 16k |
| 21:07.06 | Ahli | yes |
| 21:07.08 | mille25 | oh okay :( |
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| 21:07.30 | mille25 | what if you just delete 1 of those big 3 |
| 21:07.36 | mille25 | one after another |
| 21:07.50 | mille25 | can you track it down to a specific folder? |
| 21:10.23 | Ahli | dialogs, effects, data ? chose one |
| 21:11.12 | Ahli | effects isn't that big... |
| 21:11.31 | Ahli | bb dialogs folder |
| 21:15.17 | Ahli | 27 seconds for 37.5k lines |
| 21:17.15 | ________________ | are weapons on a unit incremented from 0 or from 1 |
| 21:17.31 | Ahli | it's an array... so 0 |
| 21:17.50 | ________________ | ty |
| 21:17.55 | Ahli | you use catalog, correct? |
| 21:18.07 | Ahli | or is there a trigger function that checks that? |
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| 21:18.38 | Ahli | for trigger functions it might be different... normally the default value in the action is the first one |
| 21:18.44 | Ahli | or the lowest that you can enter |
| 21:18.45 | ________________ | it's the trigger function of chocolate |
| 21:18.55 | ________________ | that checks it* |
| 21:21.26 | Ahli | no trigger code -> 8 seconds |
| 21:22.42 | Ahli | overview manager still lists 34 funciton calls -.- |
| 21:23.10 | duckies_ | so.. can anyone suggest any movie to watch? |
| 21:23.19 | Zolden | duckies_: yea |
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| 21:23.34 | duckies_ | go on |
| 21:23.34 | duckies_ | :D |
| 21:23.37 | Zolden | watch "Total recall" of 1990 or so year |
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| 21:23.46 | Zolden | on english |
| 21:23.52 | Zolden | u've probably watched it on rssuain |
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| 21:24.01 | duckies_ | Seen it recently, after seeing 2012 recall trailer |
| 21:24.07 | Zolden | ew |
| 21:24.24 | Ahli | now, no triggers 6 seconds |
| 21:24.24 | duckies_ | ew indeed |
| 21:24.39 | duckies_ | 2012 was all about pew pew.. :/ |
| 21:24.52 | Ahli | die hard 1 or 3 |
| 21:24.53 | Zolden | ok, then watch every movie with Jim Kerry except the one with pinguins |
| 21:25.24 | duckies_ | I think i watched most of them, even the one with penguins |
| 21:25.27 | Zolden | for example, eternal sunshine of the spotless mind |
| 21:25.46 | Zolden | ok, watch star wars IV-VI |
| 21:26.28 | Zolden | or The Running Man |
| 21:26.32 | Zolden | 1987 |
| 21:26.34 | duckies_ | I dunno, wasn't a fan of them when I was a kid, maybe now my precepcion is a bit different though |
| 21:26.36 | Zolden | it has a nice music |
| 21:26.52 | duckies_ | running man is that arnold movie? |
| 21:26.56 | Zolden | yea |
| 21:27.08 | duckies_ | I think I could rewatch that |
| 21:27.28 | Zolden | yeah, it has the spirit of sci-fi |
| 21:27.38 | Ahli | other project with 37k lines: 7 seconds |
| 21:27.39 | duckies_ | also this "eternal sunshine of the spotless mind", I haven't seen. Will go download now, thank you |
| 21:27.42 | Ahli | WTF |
| 21:27.52 | Zolden | i adore antiutopias |
| 21:27.56 | TwoDie | watch imdb top 250 http://www.imdb.com/chart/top |
| 21:28.30 | Zolden | eternal sunshine may have a strong emotional impact |
| 21:28.31 | duckies_ | yeah, I feel same way about dystopias |
| 21:28.46 | Ahli | I nearly fell asleep during 9... :X |
| 21:29.34 | duckies_ | ooh, that's a good suggestion too, thanks twodie |
| 21:29.48 | TwoDie | always a pleasure |
| 21:29.54 | G0A | duckies_watch Donny Darko |
| 21:30.04 | Zolden | oh, wait!!! |
| 21:30.11 | Zolden | remembered the great movie! |
| 21:30.12 | duckies_ | seen it G0A |
| 21:30.17 | Zolden | The Guard |
| 21:30.17 | TwoDie | watch imdb top 250 http://www.imdb.com/chart/top everything what is best is there |
| 21:30.35 | G0A | than, watch Contact. |
| 21:31.14 | TwoDie | then watch a movie |
| 21:31.34 | G0A | Or watch from these: http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom :D |
| 21:32.02 | Zolden | The Guard inherits the aestetics of Pulp Fiction |
| 21:32.42 | Zolden | interesting, what's imdb top 1 ? avatar? |
| 21:33.06 | TwoDie | 1.9.2The Shawshank Redemption (1994)863,935 |
| 21:33.09 | DeadZergling_ | running man is a great classic |
| 21:33.15 | DeadZergling_ | music alone is worth watching it for |
| 21:33.24 | G0A | Ducky btw this is better than imbd: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/ |
| 21:33.27 | TwoDie | avatar seems like not even in top 250 |
| 21:33.33 | Zolden | DeadZergling_: indeed |
| 21:33.39 | DeadZergling_ | avatar was special effects |
| 21:33.41 | DeadZergling_ | the end |
| 21:33.49 | DeadZergling_ | no real point to it other than that |
| 21:34.31 | duckies_ | Added those to my bookmarks, gonna play a game and then do the watching |
| 21:34.38 | DeadZergling_ | I was hoping the blue people would get slaughtered myself |
| 21:34.47 | DeadZergling_ | in avatar |
| 21:35.11 | DeadZergling_ | surprised the military didn't send them gift blankets w/ disease though, would have fit w/ how much they made them out to be Native Americans |
| 21:35.26 | G0A | duckies_ Watch Event Horizon :D |
| 21:35.50 | Zolden | G0A: sounds like sci fi |
| 21:36.01 | G0A | you dont know it? |
| 21:36.12 | Zolden | doesn't seem so |
| 21:36.15 | Zolden | i'll check |
| 21:36.34 | DeadZergling_ | you should make avatar models, or at least avatar death models Zolden |
| 21:36.44 | DeadZergling_ | just so a map can be made where you wipe them ou t |
| 21:36.50 | duckies_ | it says it's science horow :| |
| 21:36.57 | duckies_ | I don't realy enjoy horror movies |
| 21:36.58 | Zolden | lol |
| 21:37.06 | duckies_ | *horrow |
| 21:37.09 | duckies_ | *horror |
| 21:37.10 | G0A | yeah its more like horror science:D |
| 21:37.17 | duckies_ | >:P |
| 21:38.04 | DeadZergling_ | lot of movies fit in as horror movies for duckies though |
| 21:38.20 | DeadZergling_ | he thinks A Christmas Story is a horror movie because they cut a duck's head off near the end. |
| 21:38.31 | Zolden | duckies_: have you seen Memento? |
| 21:38.41 | Ahli | I delete all triggers in my map and copy them over from my map into that map... maybe it fixes the problem... |
| 21:39.29 | Zolden | Ahli: soounds like everything's ruined |
| 21:39.30 | TwoDie | Ahli what is the problem you having there? |
| 21:39.31 | duckies_ | Zolden, long time ago. I think it's one of those that I could rewatch since I barely remember the script |
| 21:39.39 | G0A | ok here is some other: Darky City, Dune (1984), Starship Troopers 1, Lawrence of Arabia (1962), Idiocracy and War inc (those the best that I have on my pc now) |
| 21:40.00 | Zolden | yeah, Dune is something |
| 21:40.22 | Ahli | problem is: my diablo project trigger saving time: 2 minutes 30 seconds... other projects of mine and other mappers: below 10 seconds |
| 21:40.29 | DeadZergling_ | I wonder how many extra sales Starship Troopers 1 got purely for the shower scene |
| 21:40.54 | TwoDie | ahli wow |
| 21:40.54 | Zolden | shower scene? any boobs involved? |
| 21:40.55 | duckies_ | aah, starship troopers are wonderful :> |
| 21:41.00 | DeadZergling_ | A ton Zolden |
| 21:41.05 | Zolden | oh |
| 21:41.10 | DeadZergling_ | in starship troopers, showers are coed |
| 21:41.12 | duckies_ | and dark city was quite something as well |
| 21:41.19 | DeadZergling_ | dark city was interesting |
| 21:42.00 | DeadZergling_ | took me a long time to figure out wtf I was watching w/ Dark City |
| 21:42.08 | duckies_ | a political satire that war inc? interesting :D |
| 21:42.37 | G0A | kind of |
| 21:42.45 | G0A | but I found it quite funny:D |
| 21:42.46 | Zolden | duckies_: another good one! watch Кин Дза Дза |
| 21:43.05 | Taintedwisp | you listen her |
| 21:43.08 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:43.10 | DeadZergling_ | I was a little dissapointed w/ Dune to be honest, granted I played Dune2 long before I saw it |
| 21:43.15 | DeadZergling_ | Was expecting a lot more I guess |
| 21:43.24 | Taintedwisp | Zolden you will kill duckies... duckies, dont defend yourself.. NOW |
| 21:43.28 | Taintedwisp | DIE FOR MY AMUSEMENT |
| 21:43.48 | duckies_ | ! dystopia <3 |
| 21:43.54 | DeadZergling_ | was wondering why the Harkonnen weren't using nuclear tanks and missiles all over |
| 21:44.02 | DeadZergling_ | was very dissapointed to have the Atreides win |
| 21:44.04 | TwoDie | tudududududududududu SICKMAN |
| 21:44.28 | Zolden | DeadZergling_: but nothing beats the Dune book (and other 5) |
| 21:44.34 | DeadZergling_ | oh no that wasn't it, it was the fact it was w/ those worthless Sarduakar |
| 21:44.50 | DeadZergling_ | or whatever the atreides free squads are called |
| 21:45.08 | Zolden | Freemen |
| 21:45.17 | DeadZergling_ | yea, free kills is more like it |
| 21:45.23 | Zolden | sardukar are emperror's troopers |
| 21:45.27 | DeadZergling_ | grab any heavy vehicle |
| 21:45.31 | DeadZergling_ | instant win |
| 21:46.27 | DeadZergling_ | aye, I mix the splat troopers up I guess |
| 21:46.35 | DeadZergling_ | always met the same quick end w/ me, lol |
| 21:46.38 | Monkalizer | DeadZergling_: have you seen the movie that avatar was based on? they ripped the story completely - almost frame by frame - from some animated movie from the 80s |
| 21:47.10 | Ahli | buuuuut 3D |
| 21:47.14 | DeadZergling_ | No I haven't monk, don't imagine I'd like that one either unless it had the blue people lose |
| 21:47.21 | Zolden | DeadZergling_: in my RoL map heavy machines and robots can trample troops |
| 21:47.41 | DeadZergling_ | won't be hard to figure my strategy out in your map then |
| 21:47.51 | Zolden | :) |
| 21:48.03 | DeadZergling_ | I was quite good at it |
| 21:48.14 | Zolden | but it's on eu only |
| 21:48.34 | Torhal|work | stabs Taintedwisp with a waffle iron. |
| 21:48.46 | DeadZergling_ | for now, they removing the by region stuff soon aren't they? |
| 21:48.51 | Taintedwisp | Torhal|Work fix that purl phrase!!! |
| 21:48.58 | Taintedwisp | ~irc |
| 21:48.58 | purl | Welcome to IRC, where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents. |
| 21:49.05 | Torhal|work | Taintedwisp: I don't run purl and have no clue why you think I do. |
| 21:49.15 | Zolden | yeah, couple of month of the stupid curtain, and then we're frreeeee |
| 21:49.19 | duckies_ | huh.. dune looks kinda cool :D |
| 21:49.22 | Monkalizer | I know i asked this earlier and my connection was messed up, but here it goes again: is there some way to get a try-catch functionality in the editor`? |
| 21:49.23 | Taintedwisp | Becuase its here and on WoW ace :P |
| 21:49.25 | DeadZergling_ | doesn't matter for me |
| 21:49.33 | Taintedwisp | you are on both, so I figured it was you |
| 21:49.35 | DeadZergling_ | no way in hell my map is ready for release in that amount of time, lol |
| 21:49.43 | Torhal|work | It's here, #wowace, #wowuidev, #arl, and many many other channels. |
| 21:49.52 | Torhal|work | And I don't have a fucking thing to do with it. |
| 21:49.53 | Torhal|work | :P |
| 21:49.56 | *** part/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@adsl-123-102.globonet.hu) |
| 21:49.58 | Taintedwisp | Hmm then who is it? |
| 21:50.03 | Ahli | is the dune movie the dune movie that had be cut into multiple parts to be shown in tv? |
| 21:50.05 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 21:50.06 | Torhal|work | Some dude named Tim Rikers. |
| 21:50.20 | Taintedwisp | I went to wowace saw you saw purl typed ~taintedwisp and then though torhal must run it :P |
| 21:50.31 | duckies_ | so, I've gotten 10 movies on my watch list, thanks guys ♥ |
| 21:50.42 | Taintedwisp | must be Net_Creator |
| 21:50.48 | Torhal|work | Taintedwisp: http://www.rikers.org/ |
| 21:50.52 | Torhal|work | That's who owns the bot. |
| 21:50.58 | Zolden | unexpectedly dl'ing 3 movies too ;/ |
| 21:51.04 | Torhal|work | And what's wrong with ~irc ? |
| 21:51.28 | Taintedwisp | ~irc |
| 21:51.28 | purl | Welcome to IRC, where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents. |
| 21:51.32 | Taintedwisp | He broke the last part... |
| 21:51.39 | Torhal|work | Huh? |
| 21:51.44 | Taintedwisp | ITS CHILDREN ARE FBI AGENTS |
| 21:51.45 | Zolden | purl, do you like purling ppl? |
| 21:51.45 | purl | yes, I like purling ppl. |
| 21:51.59 | Torhal|work | You're one weird bastard. |
| 21:52.00 | Taintedwisp | i know because I made that up during the Wc2 BNE days haha |
| 21:52.23 | Taintedwisp | its been my internet catch phrase ever sense |
| 21:52.28 | Torhal|work | That's such a common thing online that I seriously doubt you individually invented the phrase. |
| 21:52.58 | Taintedwisp | well I know i said it to countless people, and No one ever told me it |
| 21:53.53 | Taintedwisp | Theres always the possiblity that Mutiple people thought up the same thing |
| 21:53.58 | Ahli | will watch dune1984 in ENglish >_> |
| 21:55.27 | duckies_ | rotten tomatoes say that toy story 2 is incredibly good :D |
| 21:56.18 | Monkalizer | someone here who would like to try my map (hercmerc thingy?) |
| 21:56.22 | Monkalizer | on EU server |
| 21:59.31 | Zolden | jsut can't stop mapping |
| 22:00.02 | Monkalizer | kapfft |
| 22:01.12 | Monkalizer | well... its not really done yet anyway. have to push a lot of upgrades for zerg and protoss... + set prices of everything |
| 22:01.40 | Monkalizer | the custom upgrades that come with the game are boring because they only apply to terran |
| 22:01.52 | duckies_ | god damn it, now it's burned into my soul again D: |
| 22:01.54 | Zolden | Monkalizer: fixed the income? |
| 22:02.19 | Monkalizer | i dont know... thats one of the things i would like to check... i dont understand where that error came from |
| 22:02.20 | duckies_ | guys, when you've got nothing to do and want to watch a movie, try out Dr. Strangelove if you haven't seen it :D |
| 22:02.29 | Monkalizer | most of my work the past weeks have been on the new store |
| 22:02.51 | duckies_ | aand I think I'll be off to watch dune before going to sleep, bb |
| 22:03.02 | Monkalizer | next thing will be the decals... they have a rectangular shadow and look boring = not good |
| 22:03.05 | Ahli | nope, that didn't fix the problem :X |
| 22:03.48 | Monkalizer | Ahli: are you still having performance issues or is there something else? |
| 22:04.02 | Ahli | it's the saving |
| 22:04.12 | Ahli | oh, compiler error |
| 22:04.20 | Ahli | that is naturally slow |
| 22:04.48 | Monkalizer | I would try to break it up into smaller parts... makes things lighter |
| 22:05.03 | Monkalizer | but i guess thats easier than done if you have a lot of data editor changes |
| 22:05.25 | Ahli | breaking it up into smaller parts doesn't solve it |
| 22:05.55 | Ahli | it's a problem with something in my trigger code or the stuff that is saved with the triggers |
| 22:06.58 | Monkalizer | someone suggested binary-delete-search, how did that work out? |
| 22:07.07 | Ahli | now I need to fix a lot of things because of a few things that bug the copy pasting of code properly |
| 22:07.30 | Ahli | what's a binary-delete-search? |
| 22:09.26 | Dustin|Work | Wha |
| 22:09.34 | Monkalizer | delete half the code to see which part of the code the problem arises in. like binary search http://community.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tutorials&d2=binarySearch but with hands on "deleting" rather than using an algorithm. It depends on how linear your code is though, how you have organized |
| 22:09.58 | Monkalizer | its no pro name, i just made it up :) |
| 22:10.08 | ________________ | lol sounds pro |
| 22:10.24 | Ahli | not really good |
| 22:10.46 | Monkalizer | well, i try to break it into the consultancy business, you have to be able to bs |
| 22:10.47 | Dustin|Work | When did the save issues start arising Ahli |
| 22:11.03 | Ahli | I can't remember... |
| 22:11.11 | Ahli | long time ago |
| 22:11.13 | Monkalizer | i had a problem with a function that became recursive by accident... :) |
| 22:11.25 | Monkalizer | that method solved it |
| 22:11.31 | Dustin|Work | Maybe there's some loop in there that is fucking retarded |
| 22:11.45 | Dustin|Work | But it's probably just a badly made compiler |
| 22:12.03 | Dustin|Work | Do you get any errors on save? |
| 22:12.08 | Monkalizer | how long time does the saving take? |
| 22:12.09 | Ahli | no errors |
| 22:12.17 | Ahli | 2 minutes 30 seconds |
| 22:12.30 | Ahli | I thought it would be normal all the time |
| 22:12.43 | Dustin|Work | This sounds like a problem for Dele |
| 22:12.43 | Monkalizer | my code takes about 30 seconds |
| 22:12.57 | Monkalizer | yeah |
| 22:13.14 | Monkalizer | check the broken maps link at the header of this chat |
| 22:13.28 | Dustin|Work | I want to take a look at the source for Galaxy Editor |
| 22:13.29 | Ahli | I will ask dele, when he returns |
| 22:13.46 | Dustin|Work | Would be interesting to see |
| 22:14.37 | Monkalizer | does the editor produce any logfiles while saving= |
| 22:16.25 | Ahli | no |
| 22:19.55 | Ahli | being able to open the editor twice would come in handy now... |
| 22:20.22 | Ahli | would be faster than taking screenshots and switching between "windows" in the editor |
| 22:20.34 | Dustin|Work | Yeah I hate that you cant run two instances |
| 22:22.22 | Ahli | currently I need to fix functions that have wrong types in their arithmetic operations... math for integer with real values as parameters for example |
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| 23:09.41 | Ahli | I had to rechose some orders... |
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| 23:11.27 | Blizz-Deletarius | hey everyone |
| 23:11.49 | Dustin|Alt | hi |
| 23:17.45 | Ahli | dele, the problem must lie within triggers. I would suggest that I send you the map via mail for debugging. The problem exists in the hots editor, too |
| 23:17.59 | Ahli | Blizz-Deletarius: |
| 23:19.58 | Blizz-Deletarius | hi |
| 23:20.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | deletarius@gmail.com |
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| 23:21.13 | Zolden | I've got a mark question |
| 23:22.12 | Zolden | have a weapon with math ID on. Also, have a behavior with search aura. Aura must attack only once, so I've added no_marks validator. But looks like behavior and weapon aren't connected |
| 23:23.03 | DeadZergling_ | hrrrmm, you mean the projectile has no behavior? |
| 23:23.12 | DeadZergling_ | can try either giving the ammo unit the behavior |
| 23:23.17 | DeadZergling_ | or if that isn't working |
| 23:23.24 | DeadZergling_ | try a launch effect on the missile |
| 23:23.27 | DeadZergling_ | that applies the behavior |
| 23:23.28 | Zolden | projectile has preplaced behavior |
| 23:23.40 | Zolden | ok |
| 23:24.00 | Zolden | launch effect? |
| 23:24.23 | DeadZergling_ | aye, is on your missile effect |
| 23:26.58 | Zolden | what's Launch effect's transfer behavior? |
| 23:27.07 | Zolden | is it what i need? |
| 23:27.14 | Zolden | because launch effect didn't work |
| 23:27.20 | DeadZergling_ | no, should just be a launch effect |
| 23:27.31 | Zolden | or i didn't set the proper target for it |
| 23:27.32 | DeadZergling_ | your launch effect is an apply behavior effect, correct? |
| 23:27.37 | Zolden | yeah |
| 23:27.47 | DeadZergling_ | target, probably just target in this case |
| 23:27.52 | DeadZergling_ | I'm not at the editor to be positive though |
| 23:28.09 | DeadZergling_ | it will work however, 10 abilities of mine use something similar |
| 23:28.27 | Zolden | uni = target |
| 23:29.16 | Zolden | yeah, it applies the aure to the turret |
| 23:29.21 | Zolden | instead of projectile |
| 23:32.44 | Zolden | Ahli: maybe you can help? |
| 23:34.21 | Ahli | I'm in the middle of breaking my map :o |
| 23:34.38 | Zolden | :) |
| 23:34.38 | Zolden | ok |
| 23:34.56 | Ahli | where do I need to start to read for the problem? |
| 23:35.14 | Zolden | oh, i'll explain |
| 23:35.31 | Zolden | i want turret to add a behavior to its missile |
| 23:35.47 | Zolden | so, i set apply behavior as launch effect |
| 23:35.57 | DeadZergling_ | he is having target troubles on an apply behavior effect, basically, lol |
| 23:35.58 | Zolden | but it applies behavior to the turret |
| 23:36.55 | Zolden | if i preset the behavior, it doesn't get weapon's mark and hurts more then once |
| 23:38.48 | Ahli | uhm... make a trigger that displays the source unit, caster unit, etc into chat |
| 23:39.00 | Ahli | with the event: effect used |
| 23:39.29 | Ahli | then you can debug those things without big problems |
| 23:39.35 | Ahli | or thoughts required |
| 23:39.50 | Zolden | alright |
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| 23:40.43 | tordy | hello friends and fellow comrades! |
| 23:41.51 | Zolden | hey |
| 23:42.24 | tordy | was there an update yesterday? |
| 23:44.39 | Zolden | dunno, i don't join bnet, can't stop mapping |
| 23:46.31 | Ahli | wait, there is more than the editor in sc2? :D |
| 23:47.13 | Zolden | :) |
| 23:48.41 | Ahli | I hope I don't have to select every image again... |
| 23:55.00 | Ahli | 103 seconds now |
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| 23:55.30 | Taintedwisp | Anyone here know how to use Hex Editor |
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| 23:56.16 | Saeris | hey blizz-deletarius, got what I'm assuming is a bug to report |
| 23:56.53 | Blizz-Deletarius | sure |
| 23:56.59 | Saeris | so I've been working with the Unit Uses Ability event |
| 23:57.18 | Saeris | and I've noticed, Reactors cause a ton of events for this |
| 23:57.21 | Saeris | like |
| 23:57.27 | Saeris | 20 per game loop |
| 23:57.34 | Saeris | which grinds my game to a halt |
| 23:57.37 | Blizz-Deletarius | that's interesting |
| 23:57.46 | Saeris | this only happens when they are connected to another building |
| 23:57.52 | Saeris | it stops when they are lifted off |
| 23:58.04 | Saeris | so this should be very easy to reproduce |
| 23:58.32 | Blizz-Deletarius | do you think you could post about it in the forums? |
| 23:58.38 | Saeris | sure |
| 23:58.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | thanks, we'll have QA look at it |
