| 00:00.26 | EnexyNunu | where oh where have my little dogs gone |
| 00:00.30 | EnexyNunu | oh where oh where have they gone |
| 00:08.32 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 00:11.38 | Saeris1 | yes, you can sign in on two computers using the same bnet account by selecting between SCII-1 and SCII-2 at the login screen |
| 00:11.48 | Saeris1 | so you can play against a friend in the beta on your account |
| 00:11.53 | Saeris1 | tested that the other day |
| 00:12.39 | Saeris1 | afk for now |
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| 00:13.24 | ThunderLord | Is there a way to change how high 1 cliff level is? |
| 00:17.41 | Taintedwisp | hmm actually dont know |
| 00:17.45 | Taintedwisp | Hey TL check this out http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7006890697 |
| 00:17.47 | Taintedwisp | wrong paste |
| 00:17.54 | Taintedwisp | http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain055.jpg |
| 00:18.07 | Bounty | I love how Totalbiscuit loves Ling Ling Rocket |
| 00:18.11 | Bounty | but never responds to my emails |
| 00:18.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:20.40 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 00:20.55 | Bounty | LF playtesters for my upcomming game based on the hit PS3 game Fat Princces. It is called Gnolls VS Trolls". At the moment it features 5 classes and 2 playable maps. |
| 00:33.26 | Taintedwisp | Bounty you still need players? |
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| 00:37.33 | ThunderLord | TaintedWisp i clicked ur link and it took me off IRC lol |
| 00:37.58 | DeadZergling_ | wow, making dialogs and upgrades for abilities sure sucks a lot more than actually making them |
| 00:38.03 | ThunderLord | infestors looked cool tho |
| 00:38.17 | ThunderLord | dialogs for abilities? |
| 00:38.44 | DeadZergling_ | aye, well I told the veterancy thing to go #%#% itself |
| 00:39.21 | ThunderLord | So u do it with Dialogs??????? |
| 00:39.29 | DeadZergling_ | yea |
| 00:39.37 | DeadZergling_ | not very good looking dialogs, mind you |
| 00:39.52 | ThunderLord | i use a veterency trigger hybrid for my learn abilities |
| 00:40.03 | ThunderLord | My heros have a normal learn ability |
| 00:40.11 | ThunderLord | and i give it 10000 initial points |
| 00:40.38 | ThunderLord | and on all the abilities to learn i put a requirment for an upgrade "Learn Abvailable" and i change that upgrade via triggers |
| 00:40.48 | ThunderLord | cuz i hated how the veterency worked too |
| 00:41.24 | DeadZergling_ | that's part of it, other part was I want players to be able to hide their level if they want to |
| 00:41.47 | ThunderLord | OIC |
| 00:42.09 | DeadZergling_ | the veterancy system reminded me of warcraft 3 slightly too, so was automatic delete |
| 00:42.11 | ThunderLord | so you need dialog attachments instead of status bars? |
| 00:42.29 | DeadZergling_ | the abilities are all data |
| 00:42.42 | DeadZergling_ | well, mostly, some things data fails at, lol |
| 00:43.22 | DeadZergling_ | im just complaining mostly, I've made it for 2 classes already, just takes a really long time to do it |
| 00:45.41 | ThunderLord | I hate Terrain, Especially cuz i keep changing my mind on what i want... |
| 00:46.18 | DeadZergling_ | what it needs to do changes often too |
| 00:46.39 | ThunderLord | it needs to change often? |
| 00:46.53 | DeadZergling_ | what I mean is |
| 00:47.01 | DeadZergling_ | you get a theme going |
| 00:47.05 | DeadZergling_ | then you add something new |
| 00:47.13 | DeadZergling_ | then several parts don't make sense and need to changed |
| 00:47.37 | Bounty | LF playtesters for my upcomming game based on the hit PS3 game Fat Princces. It is called Gnolls VS Trolls". At the moment it features 5 classes and 2 playable maps. |
| 00:47.39 | ThunderLord | Oh, i have like Themed corners in my arena style map |
| 00:48.01 | ThunderLord | and the Terrain does not rlly make sense at all |
| 00:48.01 | ThunderLord | but |
| 00:48.12 | DeadZergling_ | aye, is a little different for me, is an RPG |
| 00:48.28 | ThunderLord | i keep changing what i want the pathing to be like, and when i change the pathing i have to change all the doodads |
| 00:49.04 | DeadZergling_ | aye, that happens a lot |
| 00:49.19 | DeadZergling_ | try making a scaled down city w/ no footprints, only pathing |
| 00:49.25 | DeadZergling_ | kinda sucked, lol |
| 00:49.46 | ThunderLord | yeah |
| 00:49.55 | ThunderLord | i made a 3rd person RPG once |
| 00:50.17 | ThunderLord | and the result was really cool with height and pathing |
| 00:50.21 | DeadZergling_ | cool, sure mine might be done by 2014... |
| 00:50.36 | ThunderLord | yeah, i kinda abandoned my RPG |
| 00:50.40 | ThunderLord | it was kinda fun |
| 00:50.45 | ThunderLord | and looked really really nice |
| 00:50.58 | ThunderLord | but, playability was kinda lame, so |
| 00:51.03 | ThunderLord | i moved on |
| 00:51.59 | DeadZergling_ | ah, which one was it? |
| 00:54.23 | Bounty | LF playtesters for my upcomming game based on the hit PS3 game Fat Princces. It is called Gnolls VS Trolls". At the moment it features 5 classes and 2 playable maps. |
| 00:55.18 | DeadZergling_ | Just curious, 10 months back I played through every RPG (all 3 or 4 of them) bnet had to offer |
| 00:55.25 | DeadZergling_ | just to see what was possible |
| 00:55.32 | Taintedwisp | what? |
| 00:55.34 | DeadZergling_ | what'd been done, etc |
| 00:55.44 | DeadZergling_ | talking to Thunderlord, TW |
| 00:55.45 | Taintedwisp | Sorry was eating :P nah TL its just a Texture swap :P |
| 00:56.18 | ThunderLord | oh, it was never published |
| 00:56.36 | ThunderLord | I could send it to you, what i had done, its all prototype stuf if u rlly wana check it out |
| 00:56.44 | ThunderLord | the terrain was really cool imo |
| 00:56.49 | ThunderLord | i made a cave lol |
| 00:57.03 | ThunderLord | never finished my Zoom algorithm tho |
| 00:57.18 | ThunderLord | so like, ur camera would zoom in when the eye would be inside a wall |
| 00:57.41 | DeadZergling_ | ah, I always hated those kind of cameras! |
| 00:57.42 | DeadZergling_ | lol |
| 00:57.53 | ThunderLord | Rlly? |
| 00:58.00 | ThunderLord | Sc doesnt have one |
| 00:58.03 | DeadZergling_ | yea, rather be blind then motion sick |
| 00:58.15 | ThunderLord | lolol |
| 01:00.57 | DeadZergling_ | yea, gave my users a much more rudimentary zoomer |
| 01:01.10 | ThunderLord | is urs third person? |
| 01:01.13 | DeadZergling_ | if they wanna zoom in, go ahead, if they wanna zoom out into orbit, go ahead again |
| 01:01.21 | DeadZergling_ | I don't care, do what you want |
| 01:01.46 | DeadZergling_ | third person, well probably not by your definition |
| 01:01.59 | DeadZergling_ | will allow camera follow, but isn't mandatory |
| 01:02.20 | DeadZergling_ | you mean where you closely follow the hero unit, right? |
| 01:02.30 | ThunderLord | lllllike Warchasers? |
| 01:02.38 | DeadZergling_ | haven't played that one |
| 01:02.51 | ThunderLord | like League? |
| 01:02.59 | DeadZergling_ | pretty sure it isn't considered 3rd person though |
| 01:03.08 | ThunderLord | even tho league is trash |
| 01:04.09 | DeadZergling_ | dunno, what you call the SC default view zoomed in 260 %? lol |
| 01:04.16 | DeadZergling_ | 4th person? |
| 01:04.24 | ThunderLord | does it follow ur character? |
| 01:04.41 | DeadZergling_ | it will have the option, but won't be forced |
| 01:04.50 | ThunderLord | i see |
| 01:05.14 | DeadZergling_ | haha, it will definitely be the only one of its kind |
| 01:05.39 | ThunderLord | good |
| 01:05.40 | DeadZergling_ | I just went with what I wanted out of it |
| 01:05.46 | ThunderLord | mmhmm |
| 01:06.09 | DeadZergling_ | if only I like the way it is setup, oh well |
| 01:06.10 | ThunderLord | I made a 3rd person Dota/BattleShips/Capture The Flag game once with a customizable camera |
| 01:06.13 | DeadZergling_ | lol |
| 01:06.29 | ThunderLord | abandoned that one too |
| 01:06.46 | DeadZergling_ | hrrrmm, seems you abandoned a few projects |
| 01:06.52 | ThunderLord | those are the 3 maps ive worked on, my RPG, my super hybrid and the Frenzy one that i am doing now |
| 01:07.08 | DeadZergling_ | that the one TW thinks is his competition? |
| 01:07.15 | ThunderLord | I actually started the Frenzy project as soon as the editor hit the beta, and i took a frew breaks from it |
| 01:07.20 | ThunderLord | lol |
| 01:07.23 | ThunderLord | kinda |
| 01:07.36 | ThunderLord | that was more of a joke, our games are very differant from one another |
| 01:09.04 | DeadZergling_ | yea, I can honestly say I have NO idea what TW's end result will look like |
| 01:09.11 | DeadZergling_ | absolutely none. |
| 01:09.24 | ThunderLord | have u played his game? |
| 01:09.29 | ThunderLord | it looks alright |
| 01:09.32 | ThunderLord | pretty good actually |
| 01:09.34 | DeadZergling_ | no, just seen his videos |
| 01:09.41 | ThunderLord | minion spawning is pretty good imo |
| 01:09.57 | ThunderLord | Heros have good complexity for a minion based game |
| 01:10.03 | ThunderLord | and the models are pretty good |
| 01:10.22 | DeadZergling_ | yea, he definitely made them unique, lol |
| 01:10.22 | ThunderLord | I need to make some new videos for my game |
| 01:11.08 | ThunderLord | WOAH WOAH WOAH WHEN WAS HOTS RELEASE ANNOUNCED?!?!? |
| 01:11.18 | DeadZergling_ | yea, I made a few month or so ago |
| 01:11.21 | DeadZergling_ | tues or mon |
| 01:11.23 | DeadZergling_ | I forget |
| 01:29.10 | DeadZergling_ | lol, box starting exploding in the microwave |
| 01:29.15 | DeadZergling_ | decided that meant it was done |
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| 01:50.54 | tordy | wassup daddio! |
| 01:58.35 | Bounty | LF playtesters for my upcomming game based on the hit PS3 game Fat Princces. It is called Gnolls VS Trolls". At the moment it features 5 classes and 2 playable maps. |
| 01:59.27 | tordy | good evening |
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| 02:18.06 | Taintedwisp | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2xgaming/tristram-rpg |
| 02:18.07 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 02:18.17 | Taintedwisp | I called it!!!! |
| 02:18.24 | Taintedwisp | Told you and them... that it wouldnt work!!! |
| 02:18.25 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 02:18.43 | tordy | who thought it would work |
| 02:19.18 | Taintedwisp | i dunno |
| 02:19.19 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 02:19.38 | tordy | u & everyone else that's not dumb would call it |
| 02:19.38 | DeadZergling_ | egod |
| 02:20.24 | DeadZergling_ | he is the one who thought this would work, lol |
| 02:22.49 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 02:23.07 | tordy | he could've renamed everything and made his own assets that don't resemble diablo or sc2 |
| 02:23.13 | tordy | even then you're using blizz's tools |
| 02:23.20 | tordy | and sc2's game engine |
| 02:23.40 | tordy | and maybe even publishing onto blizz's servers |
| 02:23.58 | tordy | hello Taintedwisp |
| 02:27.17 | DeadZergling_ | Hrrrmmm, that picture is kind of scary |
| 02:27.28 | tordy | what picture |
| 02:27.30 | DeadZergling_ | of Tou Yaj |
| 02:27.48 | DeadZergling_ | right side near the top |
| 02:28.23 | tordy | what makes you think so |
| 02:28.42 | DeadZergling_ | is a bald man winking at me |
| 02:28.43 | tordy | looks like an ordinary picture to me |
| 02:29.06 | tordy | but he doesnt look threatening or anything |
| 02:29.22 | DeadZergling_ | you say that now |
| 02:29.29 | DeadZergling_ | but you can't trust those bald people |
| 02:29.43 | tordy | Taintedwisp is bald, do you trust him? |
| 02:29.56 | DeadZergling_ | Who would? |
| 02:30.01 | DeadZergling_ | Bald or otherwise |
| 02:30.10 | tordy | i trust him for being honest |
| 02:30.19 | tordy | seems like an honest dude |
| 02:31.30 | DeadZergling_ | And thus the novelty of this conversation ends! |
| 02:33.37 | DeadZergling_ | anyways, heading home, later :) |
| 02:33.45 | DeadZergling_ | That's your new name btw TW, Baldo |
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| 04:04.55 | ThunderLord | hey Taintedwisp |
| 04:04.56 | ThunderLord | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p83_HJbbLXE&feature=plcp |
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| 04:21.41 | egod | my project updated |
| 04:21.43 | egod | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/tristram/ |
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| 04:36.54 | ThunderLord | dude gotta say |
| 04:36.57 | ThunderLord | that looks super badass |
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| 04:58.36 | Ahli | early morning |
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| 05:27.09 | Saeris1 | if there's one thing I hate doing, it's making new resumes |
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| 05:37.34 | DeadZergling | what if there were two? |
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| 05:59.27 | EnexyNunu | u are |
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| 06:02.44 | Saeris1 | well, i think I'm gonna take a break from IRC and mapping for a few days. Need to take some time to sit down and play through some of my back catalog of games. |
| 06:03.13 | Saeris1 | talk to you all later |
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| 06:22.42 | Daara | I can't find a single place here in Omaha that sells rose/hydrangea petals WTF!!!!! |
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| 13:15.59 | Monkalizer | I would like to enable different units to have different rank (with different stats) how is something like this achieved? Upgrades apply to all units, so that might be hard |
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| 14:05.52 | Skaft | can i see any statistics on how many people played my map etc? |
| 14:07.46 | Dustin|Work | NOpe |
| 14:07.49 | Dustin|Work | That'd be nice |
| 14:07.51 | Zolden | it correlates with the rating and place in popular/up adn coming lists |
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| 15:34.52 | mille25 | hi |
| 15:39.02 | Cheekio | sup mille |
| 15:41.14 | Skaft | eyo |
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| 16:09.48 | TwoDie | how to solve: Scope[barracks2, Unit] unable to create unit actor. Creating fallback sphere. When constructing barracks in that spot creates a sphere and after finishing it continues to be there and |
| 16:18.04 | Zolden | check model links |
| 16:18.31 | Zolden | actor's fields which link models |
| 16:22.41 | TwoDie | heh, Unitconstruction Start and Finish Was misplaced |
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| 16:23.31 | hobbidude | anyone know how the grab the color of doodad from its different tileset versions |
| 16:25.56 | Bommes | Has anyone in here used bearings in actor messages before? |
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| 16:40.30 | duckies | hobbidude, you talk about things like protoss banner doodad being different on different tilesets and rocks having different colors? |
| 16:40.39 | hobbidude | ya |
| 16:40.40 | hobbidude | ty |
| 16:40.50 | hobbidude | just looking into texture applied groups |
| 16:40.54 | hobbidude | i think |
| 16:41.06 | hobbidude | that the right direction? |
| 16:41.45 | duckies | I'm doing it by duplicating doodad and changing textures by TextureSelectByID |
| 16:41.56 | duckies | don't think there is any other way |
| 16:42.25 | hobbidude | there's a tut of wrl showing how but its on the old editor |
| 16:42.43 | duckies | it hasn't really cahnged that much |
| 16:43.28 | duckies | I can create a step by step instructions on how to do it the way I do it if you don't mind waiting 30 or so minutes |
| 16:43.54 | hobbidude | i have more issue with see what the color would be even beforehand |
| 16:44.02 | hobbidude | i can do the select ID thing |
| 16:44.09 | hobbidude | just don't know the set colors |
| 16:44.23 | duckies | then check the tilesets |
| 16:44.31 | hobbidude | thats a pain |
| 16:44.35 | duckies | or better yet just look through which textures are applied |
| 16:45.05 | hobbidude | well i know theres a way to just change which texture is used in one map |
| 16:45.06 | duckies | for banner/that temple stone illay its pretty easy to understand |
| 16:45.16 | hobbidude | looks like i gotta do some exploring |
| 16:45.27 | duckies | and rocks are mostly just slightly alerted texture color |
| 16:45.37 | duckies | yes, exploring is always nice :D |
| 16:45.52 | hobbidude | fyi |
| 16:45.53 | hobbidude | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269875 |
| 16:46.21 | duckies | ooh, that looks useful, ty |
| 16:48.35 | hobbidude | ok thats really gay |
| 16:48.45 | hobbidude | i can get it show when placing but not in editor |
| 16:49.25 | hobbidude | well at least changes in game |
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| 17:01.13 | duckies_ | well that tutorial is pretty cool, too bad that texture swap doesn't update now :/ |
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| 17:14.29 | Bommes | Man |
| 17:14.41 | Bommes | I'm always getting way too ambitious with actor events |
| 17:14.45 | Bommes | and then my editor crashes |
| 17:14.50 | Bommes | not good |
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| 17:25.19 | twodie | Zolden here? |
| 17:26.26 | Zolden | yea |
| 17:27.39 | twodie | what modeling program u used? |
| 17:27.56 | twodie | having problem finding Orientation Constraint |
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| 17:29.32 | Zolden | 3d max |
| 17:29.40 | Zolden | animation->constraints |
| 17:30.12 | twodie | y and then what? |
| 17:30.41 | Zolden | now motion tab->rotation |
| 17:30.44 | twodie | i choose it but then i have to link with soemthing? |
| 17:30.46 | Zolden | and remove Euler XYZ |
| 17:30.54 | Zolden | oh |
| 17:31.01 | Zolden | then you have to pick a bone |
| 17:31.14 | Zolden | maybe set its bone orientation to 0, 0, 0 |
| 17:31.30 | Zolden | also, make sure you have the mesh skinned |
| 17:31.39 | Zolden | to keep in desired orientation |
| 17:32.37 | Zolden | but in case it will turn -> check Keep initial Orientatioin box in the motion tab->rotation |
| 17:37.01 | twodie | ok trying to export it now to sc2editor |
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| 18:05.57 | twodie | heh seems like nothing really changed still faces receives light and cast shadow diffirently than it really would look realistic :/ |
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| 18:18.01 | Zolden | twodie, have you removed Euler XYZ? have you removed also orientation constraint? Have you skinned the mesh? |
| 18:20.19 | twodie | well i used old models which was used in map already so it already had everything necessery to be as a model in the game. Only added the orientation constraint to bone and removed that euler.. So answer is idk :D |
| 18:20.33 | twodie | wait |
| 18:20.44 | twodie | removed orientation constraint?!!? |
| 18:20.55 | twodie | so i add it and remove it all?!!?!? |
| 18:21.01 | twodie | zolden. |
| 18:21.32 | Zolden | yea, the only reason to add it is to make euler visible to remove it |
| 18:22.14 | Zolden | also remove the temporary bone u created to link orientation to, u don't need it anymore |
| 18:23.16 | twodie | so i link to any bone and remove euler and constraint and then bone itself? |
| 18:23.27 | Zolden | yea |
| 18:24.02 | twodie | heh |
| 18:24.09 | twodie | will try again then |
| 18:24.23 | Zolden | mesh will lost its orientation, but the bone it's skinned with will orient it back |
| 18:33.49 | twodie | zolden so i have to click first on a mesh and then on a bone which will be deleted later on to set those constraints? |
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| 18:40.05 | Zolden | yea |
| 18:40.30 | Zolden | select mesh, choose orientation constraint from menu, and click to the bone |
| 18:41.22 | Zolden | constraint (and Euler) will appear in a list under Motion tab -> rotation |
| 18:41.36 | Zolden | and you delete both, then the bone |
| 18:44.33 | twodie | does effect instanly noticable or i need to see it in the game?!?! |
| 18:44.39 | Zolden | in game |
| 18:45.14 | Zolden | i mean, in editor |
| 18:45.32 | Zolden | not in max |
| 18:48.33 | twodie | still no luck :/ |
| 18:50.09 | Zolden | is it skinned? |
| 18:50.27 | Zolden | do you have Skin modifier at your mesh>? |
| 18:50.32 | twodie | yes |
| 18:51.01 | Zolden | ok, reskin it |
| 18:51.05 | Zolden | remove the bone |
| 18:51.10 | Zolden | create another bone |
| 18:51.20 | Zolden | set its initial orientation to 0, 0, 0 |
| 18:51.22 | Zolden | then skin |
| 18:52.24 | Zolden | also, do you restart the editor after reimport the model? |
| 18:52.57 | Zolden | if you simply import and save, and you had the previous version of the model, you need to restart the editor |
| 18:54.01 | twodie | where to set that orientation? :O |
| 18:55.22 | twodie | to 0 0 0 |
| 18:57.02 | Zolden | select the bone |
| 18:57.09 | Zolden | press E |
| 18:57.15 | Zolden | and set 0, 0, at bottom |
| 19:00.40 | twodie | interesting |
| 19:16.39 | twodie | Zolden ! |
| 19:16.41 | twodie | no hope |
| 19:17.09 | twodie | maybe i will send you my shitty model to you and you may see do you will have any chance with it? |
| 19:17.18 | Zolden | ok |
| 19:18.31 | twodie | where to?!!?!? |
| 19:18.40 | twodie | email? or give a link to you to download? |
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| 19:20.40 | Zolden | well, link I guess |
| 19:20.51 | twodie | http://www.filedropper.com/housemodellv201 |
| 19:21.23 | twodie | the model is from 3 parts |
| 19:21.57 | twodie | the worst part of it is "wooden log" walls and roof |
| 19:22.08 | twodie | ohh |
| 19:22.15 | twodie | do you need a texture?! |
| 19:23.28 | Zolden | yeah |
| 19:23.45 | twodie | :( |
| 19:24.43 | twodie | http://www.filedropper.com/housemodellv201_1 same with texture |
| 19:25.58 | Zolden | it says wood01.dds also |
| 19:28.34 | twodie | TT |
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| 19:29.25 | twodie | http://www.filedropper.com/housemodellv201_2 |
| 19:37.16 | ckSynergy | uhhhhh |
| 19:37.58 | ckSynergy | ok, unless Im looking at this wrong, it looks like "load/unload/transport" abilities, are simply a sort of "hide unit/teleport/unhide" combo effect |
| 19:38.05 | Zolden | even in max it acts strange |
| 19:38.14 | duckies | g0a, get back into the game! |
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| 19:41.14 | Zolden | twodie: do you have an initial max file? |
| 19:41.48 | twodie | you mean like 3ds max project file? |
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| 19:42.29 | Zolden | yea |
| 19:43.18 | twodie | not seems so |
| 19:44.05 | twodie | maybe i was copying the cylinderswrong |
| 19:44.20 | Zolden | it's ok, think I've fixed it |
| 19:45.18 | Zolden | when you import, have only "import mesh" and "import materials" checkboxes checked |
| 19:45.38 | Zolden | then it will be imported ok, and then u just skin it and check |
| 19:46.55 | twodie | :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 19:52.44 | Zolden | yea, it worked |
| 19:54.38 | twodie | heh it disappeared :/ |
| 19:57.25 | Zolden | what disappeared? |
| 19:58.47 | twodie | mdoel |
| 19:59.02 | twodie | and exporting takes from 4 sec to 0.25 |
| 19:59.04 | twodie | now |
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| 20:00.46 | Zolden | have you imported like i said - meshes and materials only? |
| 20:00.52 | twodie | yeah |
| 20:00.57 | Zolden | what you did then |
| 20:01.07 | twodie | then attached those 2 parts to main one |
| 20:01.11 | twodie | and yeah :/ |
| 20:01.17 | twodie | some bones added |
| 20:01.23 | twodie | and sphere sc2 stuff |
| 20:02.22 | Zolden | I only imported it, added 1 bone adn set its orientation to 0, 0, 0, and put it to the 0, 0, 0 coordinates, then created skin for each of the 3 meshes, added the bone to skin's list, and exported |
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| 20:03.00 | Zolden | and in the editor it worked fine with the light |
| 20:03.04 | twodie | good for you i gone to the next level and everything gone wrong |
| 20:03.27 | Zolden | just repeat what i said and it iwll work :) |
| 20:03.33 | twodie | yeah |
| 20:03.58 | twodie | now sc2 is freezed trying to get on my desktop for taht zip i sent you |
| 20:05.33 | twodie | btw when you setting orientation of a bone your bone looking up or it lays by the grind on the side?!?! |
| 20:06.19 | twodie | zolden |
| 20:06.20 | Zolden | depends on the view you created it in |
| 20:06.30 | twodie | and you creat it in!? |
| 20:06.33 | Zolden | it doesn't matter |
| 20:06.48 | Zolden | the only thing matters is the numbers |
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| 20:09.52 | DeadZergling | any new creations today zolden? You seem quite busy over there in modeling land |
| 20:09.54 | twodie | ok now seems be fine |
| 20:10.22 | Zolden | not, it's still ugly, but it's easy to fix |
| 20:10.53 | Zolden | you need to apply a white specular map and set materials' specularity to 20 at least |
| 20:11.07 | Zolden | also, learn how to create a normal map |
| 20:11.11 | Zolden | do you have photoshop? |
| 20:11.16 | twodie | gimp |
| 20:11.34 | Zolden | cmon, get photoshop from torrents |
| 20:11.45 | twodie | <.< |
| 20:11.47 | Zolden | gimp is the guy from pulp fiction |
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| 20:12.23 | Zolden | I just know how to make normal maps in photoshop, but not in gimp |
| 20:13.00 | Zolden | so, now try to add a little white image as a specular map of both materials and set specularity to 25 |
| 20:13.43 | twodie | building still ugly because i wasnt working on the texture itself |
| 20:14.22 | Zolden | it's ok, doesn't matter |
| 20:14.43 | twodie | only experimenting with model and noticed this black crap all over the building and lighting disregards so it was mostly the reason i stopped working on this map after all |
| 20:14.47 | Zolden | I just wnat to make a normal map for you, but you need to apply the specular map first and check if it work |
| 20:17.12 | twodie | heh so what you want to do with this building texture??! |
| 20:18.26 | Zolden | i'll give you normal texure, u'll add it to the material and check how awesome your building start to look |
| 20:18.44 | Zolden | it will at least motivate you to learn how to make normal maps |
| 20:18.53 | Zolden | ok? or's u're fine about it |
| 20:19.15 | twodie | well since you making the texture im really fine with it :]]]] |
| 20:20.12 | Zolden | alright |
| 20:20.15 | Zolden | gimme a sec |
| 20:20.43 | Zolden | yea, textures are ugly |
| 20:20.53 | twodie | :D |
| 20:21.13 | twodie | its blank that there is nothing to do |
| 20:21.21 | twodie | with it |
| 20:25.39 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/33/55/Wood01_normal.dds |
| 20:25.49 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/33/56/roof01_normal.dds |
| 20:26.01 | Zolden | put em respectively to the materials |
| 20:26.42 | Zolden | at least the roof will look a bit prettier |
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| 20:39.36 | twodie | when improting new files like models with textures you really need to restart whole editor or just close and open the map would be enough?!!?! |
| 20:42.18 | twodie | zolden by the way so where is your tutorial or tool suggested for normal maps?!?!?! |
| 20:45.26 | Zolden | there are 2 kinds of normal maps |
| 20:45.33 | Zolden | mesh-related and texture related |
| 20:45.45 | Zolden | there is a tutorial of how to create the mesh-related ones |
| 20:47.36 | Zolden | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiHIUWPZnc |
| 20:47.39 | Zolden | this one |
| 20:48.53 | Zolden | and to make the diffuse map related ones you need photoshop and nvidia plugin |
| 20:49.38 | Zolden | restart the editor is required |
| 20:49.51 | Zolden | unless you import textures, save, import NEW model |
| 20:49.57 | Zolden | then it works without restarting |
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| 21:16.03 | Monkalizer | argh! Im getting a bit tired of this endless dialog hacking 8( |
| 21:16.48 | DeadZergling | we are getting weary of hearing about it |
| 21:18.57 | Monkalizer | ^^ |
| 21:19.31 | Monkalizer | the only solution is that you make the dialog system for me :) |
| 21:20.30 | DeadZergling | Doubt you'd really want that |
| 21:21.57 | Monkalizer | I should script a script that scripts scripts for me |
| 21:22.15 | Monkalizer | how hard can it be? especially if I script the script that does it |
| 21:23.28 | DeadZergling | tricky part is making it script scripts that are in fact worth scripting |
| 21:24.58 | Monkalizer | how you so wise |
| 21:27.58 | Monkalizer | I have discovered several "math" functions that are really useful to add: like minusOne(val), and plusOne(value), half(value), double(value). |
| 21:28.31 | Monkalizer | makes working with arrays a lot easier |
| 21:28.44 | Zolden | i also suggest to implement doNothing(value) function |
| 21:29.04 | Zolden | even dontTouchAnythingYouStupidFunction() |
| 21:29.29 | Monkalizer | :) |
| 21:29.52 | Zolden | or ifYouChangeThiseNumberIllChangeYouAndBelieveMeYouWontLikeItBitch(value) |
| 21:30.37 | Monkalizer | yes yes I get it :) |
| 21:32.57 | DeadZergling | I don't get those above 4 |
| 21:33.30 | DeadZergling | why not just custom script and do i -= 1, i += 1, i /= 2, i *= 2 |
| 21:33.37 | DeadZergling | less typing |
| 21:34.05 | Monkalizer | I dont use custom scripts... always goes wrong :) |
| 21:34.49 | DeadZergling | they can much more easily, is true. |
| 21:34.57 | DeadZergling | hell of a lot less painful to reuse code though. |
| 21:35.15 | Monkalizer | or... I dont want to have to search for compiler errors, It takes a bit more time to use the graphical UI, but is easier in the long run. I guess I should start to use expressions. But that somehow wont work with math |
| 21:36.25 | DeadZergling | I dunno, I'm used to staring at code though |
| 21:36.40 | DeadZergling | I use the gui a lot just to grab function names, lol |
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| 21:37.31 | Fate | hey all |
| 21:38.01 | Fate | anyone know if i can change some models texture in the unit previewer |
| 21:38.02 | Fate | ? |
| 21:38.23 | Monkalizer | well, i have stared at code too, quite a lot of it... its just that I am a bit sloppy and a nice way of not having to spend time searching for errors. Also, the auto naming of functions and variables is a bit cumbersome. Mixing the graphical UI and the custom script becomes... irritating |
| 21:38.42 | A1win | no, but you can change it with an actor message, can't remember what it was called though |
| 21:38.45 | DeadZergling | it isn't too bad once you get used to it |
| 21:38.53 | Monkalizer | Fate: you can change actor texures with actor messages ingame if you want |
| 21:39.00 | DeadZergling | just have to learn gv_, lv_, lp_, gf_ |
| 21:39.10 | Fate | thats what i want to do finally |
| 21:39.14 | DeadZergling | and that for some reason it ALWAYS lowercases all variables first letter |
| 21:39.23 | DeadZergling | but it leave function games alone |
| 21:39.30 | Fate | but allways clicking the test button and wait is a pain in the ass |
| 21:39.43 | DeadZergling | *function names |
| 21:39.44 | Monkalizer | you can send actor messages either throuh the chat-message ingame, or by calling it using a function/trigger |
| 21:39.50 | A1win | yeah for some reason the texture replace doesn't show up in the editor |
| 21:40.42 | Fate | just thougt there might be a way to get an idea about the look wihtout always testing the map |
| 21:40.51 | Monkalizer | If you are modelling you can check the Auto reload cutscene |
| 21:41.59 | Fate | dont know what u mean Monkalizer |
| 21:42.22 | Monkalizer | The auto reload cutscene works like a charm: make edits to your model in the 3d program => import it by adding it _directly_ to the cutscene (not importing it using the importer). Then edit the model some more - hide and show the cutscenes editor and it will re-read the file you imported! |
| 21:44.08 | Fate | well i gues that takes even more time then clicking the test button and load the game |
| 21:44.38 | Fate | not to mention that i dont have a d3 programm |
| 21:45.00 | Monkalizer | ah, ok but then it makes no sense |
| 21:45.12 | Fate | what makes no sense? |
| 21:45.43 | Monkalizer | the auto reload - its a tool for rapid testing of 3d models/textures |
| 21:46.47 | Monkalizer | I think you will have to start the game every time. Perhaps there is some way you can refresh the dependencies, but I dont know anything about that. Sorry |
| 21:46.59 | Fate | key |
| 21:48.27 | Fate | that means i will spend hours and hours testing textures |
| 21:50.26 | Monkalizer | Well, if you are willing to learn a 3d modelling program you can download blender (its free) as well as printls module for exporting/importing to the editor. I had no previous experience with 3d software and managed to make some really nice custom decals! |
| 21:51.01 | Monkalizer | It might take a couple of hours of stress, but once you are through with the tutorial and the caveats - you will have learnd something very powerful |
| 21:51.10 | Fate | thing is: i dont want to import many models anyway to keep the map size low |
| 21:51.40 | Fate | at the moment i just want to change some textures |
| 21:52.20 | Fate | i gues ill take a look at kuekens texture swap map again |
| 21:53.47 | Fate | where are those blizzard guys? |
| 21:53.53 | Monkalizer | i see |
| 21:54.04 | Monkalizer | not here atm |
| 21:54.21 | Monkalizer | they are here sometimes :) |
| 21:54.54 | Fate | they should add a texture swap optiont to the unit previewer immediately |
| 21:54.57 | Fate | XD |
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| 22:12.06 | Skaft | where do i change the genre on the map? |
| 22:14.17 | Monkalizer | Game Variant |
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| 22:57.05 | Zolden | guys |
| 22:57.13 | Zolden | new turret, check: http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/33/61/sonic_turret.jpg |
| 22:57.30 | Zolden | DeadZergling: does it look like a turret based on sonic tank? |
| 22:59.55 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PxSsD_6CO38 |
| 23:01.03 | Monkalizer | flower-power! |
| 23:01.56 | zlefin | i think sc2 underused acceleration and turning speeds |
| 23:03.45 | Monkalizer | dont forget crawlerators |
| 23:03.50 | Monkalizer | 'there are not enough crawlerators |
| 23:06.59 | Zolden | hmm |
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| 23:07.26 | Guest35805 | anyone know how to resize creep blockers? |
| 23:08.05 | A1win | edit their footprint |
| 23:08.48 | DeadZergling | i always saw sonic tanks dish more as rectangular though |
| 23:08.53 | Guest35805 | ahh that's what it's called...thanks |
| 23:09.01 | DeadZergling | like a half pipe or something |
| 23:09.10 | Zolden | yeah. you right |
| 23:09.19 | Zolden | dunno why I made it rounded |
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| 23:24.54 | DeadZergling | yea, could still use that one |
| 23:25.00 | DeadZergling | as like a see invis tower or something |
| 23:25.09 | DeadZergling | It just doesn't make me think sonic tank at all though |
| 23:25.28 | EnexyNunu | sonic the hedgehog? |
| 23:25.35 | DeadZergling | no |
| 23:26.33 | Monkalizer | anyway Ahli I agree with the clever dude in the youtube clip. I think the big clunky units are boring and that speed as a form of movement capping is a bit boring. The small units that have unique ways of moving over cliffs, warping, digging underground, flying etc. are the most interesting |
| 23:26.42 | A1win | the sonic turret looks like a gramophone, no a turret |
| 23:26.50 | A1win | or a satellite disc |
| 23:26.59 | EnexyNunu | ooga booga |
| 23:27.09 | A1win | I mean antennae thing |
| 23:27.43 | Dustin | hey |
| 23:28.15 | Monkalizer | hello |
| 23:29.08 | Monkalizer | guys, do you feel like you are getting dumber? |
| 23:29.20 | Monkalizer | http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/15/research-suggests-humans-are-evolving-to-be-dumber/?iid=nf-article-mostpop1 thats what the scientists say |
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| 23:29.32 | Dustin | I feel smarter every day |
| 23:30.12 | Bommes | "thats what the scientists say"? |
| 23:30.13 | DeadZergling | perhaps the scientists are just too brilliant to be objectively doing such research |
| 23:30.18 | Bommes | It is a theory by one scientist and his team |
| 23:30.21 | Monkalizer | ^^ |
| 23:30.23 | Bommes | and he himself says the theory is probably wrong |
| 23:30.33 | Monkalizer | _always_ trust "scientists" |
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| 23:31.59 | DeadZergling | yea, I been thinking about buying a white coat |
| 23:32.10 | Monkalizer | well thats pretty dumb |
| 23:32.12 | DeadZergling | but don't feel like everyone taking me so seriously |
| 23:32.32 | Monkalizer | it will get dirty, no? |
| 23:32.43 | DeadZergling | yes, but that is what bleach is for |
| 23:32.48 | Dustin | See that doesnt make sense |
| 23:32.51 | DeadZergling | I'm just saying, put a white coat on any body |
| 23:33.01 | Ahli | I don't think that staying hunters and gatherers would have made the inventions we, the genetically idiots, made... |
| 23:33.04 | DeadZergling | they automatically look smarter, should be taken more seriously |
| 23:33.27 | A1win | Ahli, they didn't have our education o: |
| 23:34.10 | DeadZergling | better research would be, what effect on IQ do mobile devices have on users |
| 23:35.10 | Monkalizer | actually peoples memory gets worse |
| 23:35.17 | Dustin | Yeah |
| 23:35.21 | Dustin | Cause we can google shit |
| 23:35.39 | Monkalizer | the brain learns that it does not have to memorize so much so it gets lazy. Same thing with internet and computers in general |
| 23:35.42 | Dustin | but I take in so much more information than they use to |
| 23:35.55 | A1win | just because we can google stuff doesn't mean our memory gets worse |
| 23:35.55 | DeadZergling | yes, important things |
| 23:36.00 | DeadZergling | like what your friend is eating for lunch |
| 23:36.05 | Dustin | like if you think about how much information we take in compared to even our parents before the internet, it's craaaazy |
| 23:36.10 | A1win | it just means we can memorize more things because we don't need to memorize the things that we can google |
| 23:37.20 | Ahli | it's true that we are missing the natural selection due to survival of the fittest, but that doesn't mean that they could have come far wandering around. There won't be institutions that teach hundreds of young people science while wandering around and hunting and gathering... I guess the process of settling down would be inevitable at some point... |
| 23:39.53 | tordy | hey wassup dudes, how y'all doing |
| 23:40.58 | Dustin | I think we're just beginning to tap into the human intelect, soon we'll have the computer power to create realistic simulations and we're going to learn a fuck ton from that which will only spark more people to use thier minds full for learning and developing |
| 23:41.07 | Dustin | sup tordster |
| 23:42.27 | tordy | what're we talkin about |
| 23:42.52 | Monkalizer | http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/15/research-suggests-humans-are-evolving-to-be-dumber/?iid=nf-article-mostpop1 |
| 23:42.53 | Dustin | Some link that monk posted |
| 23:43.04 | Monkalizer | I was asking if people here were feeling dumber |
| 23:43.19 | Monkalizer | just wanted to start a conversation ^^ |
| 23:43.33 | tordy | that's good, this irc needs some off topic conversations |
| 23:43.40 | tordy | in the event when mapping discussions are dry |
| 23:43.50 | Ahli | so, I guess the scientists is wrong in the end as he suggests that in his work afaIk... |
| 23:44.40 | Monkalizer | “I could just as well argue that mutations have reduced our aggression, our depression and our penis length, but no journal would publish that. Why do they publish this?” Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/15/research-suggests-humans-are-evolving-to-be-dumber/#ixzz2CL1K4ifi |
| 23:44.57 | Monkalizer | huh? where did that link come from? |
| 23:45.15 | Monkalizer | ore attractive mate,” Crabtree wrote in the paper. He also noted that the average Athenian from 1000 B.C. would Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/15/research-suggests-humans-are-evolving-to-be-dumber/#ixzz2CL1SaBnN |
| 23:45.40 | Monkalizer | aha! if you copy stuff frome time you get a link to the article automaticly :P |
| 23:46.55 | Bommes | btw TerrainPhysicsMaterialAtActor best actor event term ever |
| 23:47.03 | Bommes | returns what type of ground the actor is standing on (depending on the texture) |
| 23:47.27 | tordy | ~tordy |
| 23:47.27 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, tordy is what |
| 23:47.36 | tordy | ~jygga |
| 23:47.44 | tordy | ~Jygga |
| 23:48.50 | Zolden | ~weed |
| 23:48.50 | purl | i heard weed is good |
| 23:48.57 | Bommes | also concerning "that's good, this irc needs some off topic conversations" |
| 23:49.15 | Bommes | boy, I can't wait until we start another discussion with taintedwisp about religion or homosexuality! |
| 23:49.18 | tordy | sparingly |
| 23:49.22 | Dustin | PURL |
| 23:49.23 | Zolden | ~conversations |
| 23:49.27 | Bommes | or black people |
| 23:49.31 | tordy | in low amounts! in low doses! |
| 23:49.36 | Dustin | You heard god damned right. |
| 23:49.50 | Zolden | :) |
| 23:49.55 | tordy | and only if no one's been talking about mapping in forever |
| 23:49.58 | Dustin | bommes |
| 23:50.08 | Dustin | I wish they would make that for scripting to use |
| 23:50.12 | tordy | ~bommes is dustin browder |
| 23:50.12 | purl | tordy: okay |
| 23:50.33 | tordy | ~bommes |
| 23:50.33 | purl | methinks bommes is dustin browder |
| 23:50.42 | Bommes | for scripting? like triggers? |
| 23:51.21 | Ahli | he didn't put destructible rocks in his map afaIk |
| 23:51.34 | Ahli | but his mech deals terrible terrible damage.... |
| 23:51.35 | Bommes | thats just my disguise |
| 23:51.42 | tordy | ~dustin is dustin browder the lead video game designer for starcraf 2 by blizzard entertainment |
| 23:51.42 | purl | tordy: what are you talking about? |
| 23:51.56 | Ahli | ~dustin |
| 23:51.56 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, dustin is a guy |
| 23:52.11 | Bommes | actually in the end the world unfold upside down and reveals itself as a huge destructible rock |
| 23:52.16 | Bommes | thats also what the story plot is about |
| 23:52.28 | Bommes | how everyone lives INSIDE the rocks and doesn't know about it |
| 23:52.33 | Bommes | and when the rocks get destroyed |
| 23:52.35 | Monkalizer | now since I can see that you are all bored: here is my latest UI update http://monkalizer.blogspot.se/2012/11/new-outline-of-hercmerc-ui.html |
| 23:52.37 | Bommes | the whole world explodes |
| 23:52.45 | Bommes | its gonna be amazing |
| 23:52.59 | Ahli | selfdestructible rocks? |
| 23:53.08 | Monkalizer | with a fuse |
| 23:53.11 | Bommes | more like destructible microcosm rocks inside destructible rocks |
| 23:53.14 | Bommes | like a universe |
| 23:53.31 | Bommes | the rocks themselves get destroyed from outside ofc |
| 23:53.35 | tordy | is google now for real |
| 23:53.50 | Ahli | google is real |
| 23:54.07 | Monkalizer | I think sc should simulate real war, with lots of bureaocracy, like every time you train a unit you have to fill in a form and interview candidates |
| 23:54.31 | DeadZergling | have to stamp each paper 4 times too |
| 23:54.51 | Monkalizer | i had some thoughts about it today, to actually make a level in my campaign that was like that |
| 23:55.20 | A1win | a whole level? :X |
| 23:55.29 | A1win | I'd think the joke would get old kinda fast |
| 23:55.41 | DeadZergling | might be fun to get brief overviews on units |
| 23:55.50 | DeadZergling | and get to pick which one and get a surprise |
| 23:55.54 | DeadZergling | might be bad, might be good |
| 23:55.57 | DeadZergling | but forms, boo |
| 23:56.31 | Monkalizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24fuZX5ABYQ something like vogons |
| 23:56.36 | Bommes | like that? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkPh_DsQchc |
| 23:57.40 | Monkalizer | hehe yep |
| 23:58.06 | Bommes | ah thats actually the wrong one |
| 23:58.08 | Bommes | this one is funnier |
| 23:58.09 | Bommes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDS5D0HKGwo&feature=channel&list=UL |
| 23:58.16 | Bommes | but now everything is ruined :( |
| 23:59.26 | Bommes | The International documentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqk9C1wVT0U |
