| 00:00.19 | DarkRevenant | there are other combinations |
| 00:00.24 | DarkRevenant | Summoned Swords |
| 00:00.28 | DarkRevenant | shoot a bunch at some patch of dirt |
| 00:00.33 | DarkRevenant | now you have a bunch of swords on the ground |
| 00:00.39 | DarkRevenant | Greater Magnet, cast on your enemy |
| 00:00.54 | DarkRevenant | suddenly the monopole magnet you made causes all the swords you summoned and left around the arena |
| 00:01.01 | DarkRevenant | to converge upon your enemy |
| 00:01.06 | DarkRevenant | point-first |
| 00:01.15 | tordy | i'll sign it in blood Taintedwisp, where you at |
| 00:02.05 | DarkRevenant | for extra pain you can cast some other stuff on the swords too |
| 00:02.22 | DarkRevenant | Overload, which fills them with magic such that upon any jarring force they explode |
| 00:02.33 | DarkRevenant | now you have a ton of exploding swords shooting at your enemy |
| 00:03.01 | DarkRevenant | if he casts Magnet on himself suddenly he has a ring magnet around himself and a monopole in his center, which has the effect of |
| 00:03.04 | A1win | now it's starting to sound too complicated to be fun |
| 00:03.06 | DarkRevenant | causing all those exploding swords to orbit him |
| 00:03.22 | DarkRevenant | it's stuff that can be used in all sorts of situations |
| 00:03.37 | DarkRevenant | you have to think fast |
| 00:03.59 | zeldarules28|AFK | Are we talking about your legit game, rev? |
| 00:04.03 | DarkRevenant | yes |
| 00:04.03 | A1win | no, you just have to learn it all beforehand |
| 00:04.09 | zeldarules28 | oh :D Whats this now? |
| 00:04.11 | A1win | (instead of thinking fast) |
| 00:04.13 | DarkRevenant | the spell list won't be that large |
| 00:04.36 | zeldarules28 | Do you have a website or anything? |
| 00:04.39 | DarkRevenant | it won't be any harder than learning the magicka spells, that's for sure |
| 00:04.41 | DarkRevenant | no website yet |
| 00:04.43 | zeldarules28 | currently, I mean, so I could take a look |
| 00:04.45 | zeldarules28 | ah, okay |
| 00:04.45 | A1win | I mean you need to learn all the different things you can do with those spells, you don't need to "think fast" |
| 00:04.51 | DarkRevenant | development is on hold so i can get money |
| 00:05.01 | zeldarules28 | How far along are you? |
| 00:05.10 | DarkRevenant | and A1win |
| 00:05.14 | DarkRevenant | that's why i want a singleplayer mode |
| 00:05.33 | DarkRevenant | so you can fuck around with the spells enough to get a feel |
| 00:05.57 | DarkRevenant | and also there is no set amount of different things you can do with the spells |
| 00:06.03 | DarkRevenant | each spell does one thing |
| 00:06.11 | DarkRevenant | it's just that the one thing the spell does has many applications |
| 00:06.18 | A1win | that's what I meant |
| 00:06.19 | zeldarules28 | So it's sort of like Eivyn's magicide spell idea> |
| 00:06.21 | A1win | you can learn those all |
| 00:06.34 | DarkRevenant | the Magnet spell, for example |
| 00:06.39 | DarkRevenant | creates a ring magnet at the target point |
| 00:06.41 | DarkRevenant | ... that's it |
| 00:06.43 | DarkRevenant | you learned the spell |
| 00:06.58 | A1win | and you *need* to learn all the ways they can be applied in order to be good at the game |
| 00:07.02 | DarkRevenant | simple, but complex at the same time |
| 00:07.22 | DarkRevenant | and THAT is why the singleplayer section would be important |
| 00:07.29 | DarkRevenant | because you'd see everything a few times |
| 00:07.47 | DarkRevenant | besides it's not like you start with everything yourself |
| 00:07.56 | DarkRevenant | character builds start with one of a set group of Sigil Cores |
| 00:08.07 | zeldarules28 | Make sure you let us know on mapster when you finish it, I'd love to check it out ^.^ |
| 00:08.11 | A1win | it sounds like something that can either be interesting or fail horribly :P |
| 00:08.16 | DarkRevenant | which have a prebuilt starting skeleton build that you add on to every time you level |
| 00:08.37 | DarkRevenant | getting to the max level is not terribly long but it will need to be long enough to learn your own build |
| 00:09.00 | DarkRevenant | as i said the multiplayer stuff will succeed or fail based on how i handle matchmaking |
| 00:09.11 | DarkRevenant | and i dont mean forced auto matchmaking |
| 00:09.13 | A1win | I'm talking about the gameplay |
| 00:09.20 | zeldarules28 | What do you mean then? O.o |
| 00:09.29 | DarkRevenant | gameplay itself I'm going to be fine with |
| 00:09.34 | DarkRevenant | i've done this kind of game before |
| 00:09.55 | DarkRevenant | after a couple hours of the game you can be competent enough to win some battles |
| 00:10.10 | DarkRevenant | but a true expert will be on a completely different level |
| 00:10.15 | DarkRevenant | at a low level it really is more of a pew pew game |
| 00:10.19 | DarkRevenant | and that's fine |
| 00:10.26 | DarkRevenant | you have to ease into the fact that the game is a battle of concepts |
| 00:10.44 | DarkRevenant | you don't get those esoteric things early on |
| 00:10.49 | A1win | yeah I mean the low level gameplay, based on what you told us, it can be done in so many different ways that it could either fail or succeed based on how you do it |
| 00:10.51 | DarkRevenant | nor are you fighting people with them until later |
| 00:11.25 | DeadZergling | I don't get it DR, it is PVP, but there is levels? |
| 00:11.34 | DarkRevenant | PVP with character progression |
| 00:11.51 | A1win | that's not a very good idea I'd think |
| 00:11.54 | DeadZergling | seems like it gives veterans a ridiculously unfair advantage |
| 00:11.59 | DarkRevenant | no |
| 00:12.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (442ccc3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.44.204.59) |
| 00:12.08 | DarkRevenant | you only fight people of similar level |
| 00:12.11 | Bounty | Hay Guyz :) |
| 00:12.19 | Taintedwisp | WAUT |
| 00:12.26 | Taintedwisp | 'TOrdy... what are you signing in blood? |
| 00:12.33 | DarkRevenant | each build needs a new character and you start the build at level 1 |
| 00:12.52 | DarkRevenant | to make this viable i need a large amount of players (at least a thousand online at any given time) so it'll be a free-to-play up to a certain level |
| 00:12.53 | A1win | why do you need character progression? |
| 00:13.04 | Taintedwisp | Tordy... what are you signing in blood? |
| 00:13.07 | DarkRevenant | you have to learn your build |
| 00:13.13 | zeldarules28 | Character progression helps with learning curve & also replayability normally :P |
| 00:13.13 | DarkRevenant | the progression wouldnt be very long |
| 00:13.16 | A1win | you can learn it in the singleplayer |
| 00:13.19 | A1win | as you said |
| 00:13.20 | DarkRevenant | if you spent the whole day you could get to max in one day |
| 00:13.32 | DarkRevenant | you can learn the spells but each build is different |
| 00:13.39 | DarkRevenant | some things you have to do reflexively |
| 00:13.47 | DarkRevenant | besides, being a freetoplay i'll probably have |
| 00:13.53 | zeldarules28 | So is this turn based or real time? What's the actual gameplay like? |
| 00:13.53 | DarkRevenant | a paid thing be Powerlevel to Max |
| 00:13.56 | DarkRevenant | real time |
| 00:14.19 | DarkRevenant | so you can pay a dollar or something and get your character/build to the max level or something similar |
| 00:14.53 | DarkRevenant | there is no progression curve for public tourneys though |
| 00:15.02 | DarkRevenant | you make a new build for the tournament and anyone can enter |
| 00:15.19 | Taintedwisp | Hmmm I think I know how my Infested Thor Hero will work mwhahaah |
| 00:15.23 | DarkRevenant | and it's always max level |
| 00:15.26 | zeldarules28 | Is this like...almost done or in beta? Or is this more conceptual at the moment? |
| 00:15.28 | Taintedwisp | It will work like a hero has never worked before |
| 00:15.29 | Taintedwisp | MWAHAHAH!!! |
| 00:15.34 | DarkRevenant | in dev |
| 00:15.37 | A1win | I still don't see the need of a leveling system, but well it's not my game :P |
| 00:15.46 | DarkRevenant | the gameplay stuff is indeed conceptual but im working on things i've done in other games before |
| 00:15.50 | zeldarules28 | What are you writing it in? Im interested :P |
| 00:16.08 | DarkRevenant | normally would be C++ but I saw the need to use an already-made engine |
| 00:16.16 | DarkRevenant | saves a shitload of time |
| 00:16.27 | DarkRevenant | probably unreal engine 3 unless something more suitable becomes availalbe |
| 00:16.37 | A1win | like unreal 4? :P |
| 00:16.49 | zeldarules28 | Yup, a lot of people take that. I'll probably get into UDK soon, I just havent had too much time recently |
| 00:17.47 | zeldarules28 | test...Is my browser frozen? |
| 00:17.49 | DarkRevenant | anyway the leveling has two reasons |
| 00:17.51 | zeldarules28 | Apparently not :P |
| 00:18.10 | DarkRevenant | 1. trust me, learning builds is not easy in this type of game, it gives you time to ease in |
| 00:18.25 | DarkRevenant | 2. people like leveling up, and it works well for f2p games |
| 00:18.26 | Blizz-Deletarius | UDK is fun |
| 00:18.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's REALLY in-depth though |
| 00:18.40 | A1win | Kismet is horrible |
| 00:18.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | hardly |
| 00:18.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | Kismet is amazing |
| 00:18.54 | DarkRevenant | 3 (bonus). excuse to make people pay for powerleveling |
| 00:19.02 | A1win | I'd much rather do all that using a script language |
| 00:19.06 | Blizz-Deletarius | that's fine |
| 00:19.14 | Taintedwisp | Blizz-Deletarius you get my message? |
| 00:19.16 | Taintedwisp | nvm |
| 00:19.17 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 00:19.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | for designers and non programmers, it makes scripting possible |
| 00:19.37 | Blizz-Deletarius | and it's super fast to work with |
| 00:19.42 | DarkRevenant | there are other ways to code for UDK games |
| 00:19.57 | DarkRevenant | i can see the advantage of a high-level scripting language though |
| 00:19.59 | A1win | that was my opinion about using Kismet, not about other people using it :P |
| 00:20.04 | Blizz-Deletarius | that's fine |
| 00:20.10 | zeldarules28 | Kimset is the visual-based 'scripting' tool for UDK right? |
| 00:20.16 | A1win | yeah |
| 00:20.18 | Blizz-Deletarius | node-based scripting |
| 00:20.33 | DarkRevenant | anyway i don't use nodes or GUI for my scripting |
| 00:20.37 | A1win | it feels slower than non-visual scripting |
| 00:20.45 | Taintedwisp | There I hope I explained good enough :P |
| 00:20.47 | zeldarules28 | Is the option to just use regular C# or C++ still available? |
| 00:20.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | it makes sense though because it lays out the scripting logic exactly how the thing works |
| 00:21.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | because it's like this |
| 00:21.14 | Blizz-Deletarius | If I want to step on a floor plate and turn on a light |
| 00:21.17 | DarkRevenant | obviously C++ would be the preferred language to use |
| 00:21.32 | A1win | sure some things are simple enough with Kismet |
| 00:21.42 | DarkRevenant | actually afaik UE4 uses C++ or something similar |
| 00:21.45 | A1win | but anyting a bit complex just gets messy |
| 00:21.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | *shrug* |
| 00:21.58 | DarkRevenant | for its meaty programming |
| 00:22.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | different things for different people |
| 00:22.04 | Blizz-Deletarius | anyway |
| 00:22.14 | Blizz-Deletarius | I'm out for a week and a 1/2 |
| 00:22.17 | DarkRevenant | but yeah if i dont find a way to have straight up nonvisual code |
| 00:22.19 | zeldarules28 | oh noes :D |
| 00:22.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | vacation |
| 00:22.25 | DarkRevenant | i'll probably go insane |
| 00:22.25 | zeldarules28 | D: * |
| 00:22.28 | zeldarules28 | oh |
| 00:22.30 | zeldarules28 | Have fun :) |
| 00:22.32 | Blizz-Deletarius | yeap |
| 00:22.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | I will |
| 00:22.46 | Blizz-Deletarius | you guys behave while I'm gone |
| 00:22.49 | zeldarules28 | I |
| 00:22.55 | zeldarules28 | I'll keep em in line ;) |
| 00:23.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | yawp |
| 00:23.09 | Taintedwisp | Awww we will miss you |
| 00:23.14 | Blizz-Deletarius | adios everyone |
| 00:23.16 | DarkRevenant | all this modding has made me a pretty good programmer |
| 00:23.17 | Ahli | bb |
| 00:23.19 | Taintedwisp | Zelda will keep them in line |
| 00:23.20 | Exaken | cya |
| 00:23.22 | Taintedwisp | I will keep zelda in line |
| 00:23.23 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 00:23.31 | zeldarules28 | oh goodness >.> |
| 00:23.40 | Zolden | I will keep lion in line |
| 00:23.40 | zeldarules28 | I could only imagine what this place would be like if you were in charge :P |
| 00:23.42 | Taintedwisp | now... ZELDA GO FETCH ME SOME COOLAID!!!! |
| 00:23.46 | DarkRevenant | to the point where a CS degree seems childishly easy, based on the class descriptions |
| 00:23.47 | Taintedwisp | hahaah |
| 00:23.50 | DarkRevenant | it's why i do comp engineering instead |
| 00:23.56 | Taintedwisp | Check extratorrent.com :P |
| 00:23.59 | Taintedwisp | hahah |
| 00:24.08 | DarkRevenant | seriously modding is a very good job prep |
| 00:24.24 | DarkRevenant | i'm way better than 95% of the undergrads at my uni |
| 00:24.33 | DarkRevenant | and better than half of the grad students |
| 00:24.35 | Zolden | agree, modding teaches lots of things |
| 00:24.37 | zeldarules28 | Sc2 modding actually tought me a lot about programming, even though I've never made any big stand-alone projects |
| 00:24.57 | Taintedwisp | Actually zelda when I am not trolling I can run things quite well haha, but As you notice i have no intention of doing so at mapster otherwise i would be a totally different person |
| 00:25.00 | zeldarules28 | Triggering teaches you a lot of the proper syntax for programming and whatnot |
| 00:25.01 | Zolden | I know photoshop and 3ds max kinda nice after modding told me to learn 'em |
| 00:25.14 | DarkRevenant | sc2 modding taught me more about project management and development cycle |
| 00:25.21 | zeldarules28 | That's also quite important |
| 00:25.28 | zeldarules28 | You start to learn what types of things need to go first |
| 00:25.28 | DarkRevenant | the actual programming i learned from doing actual programs in C, C++, etc |
| 00:25.37 | DarkRevenant | and i applied it in sc2 |
| 00:25.46 | Zolden | yeah, planning and finishing a few month project is also something important to learn |
| 00:25.46 | zeldarules28 | My triggering knowledge came a lot from game maker 8, back in the day |
| 00:25.48 | zeldarules28 | ^.^ |
| 00:25.57 | DarkRevenant | i actually manged to implement RSA in galaxy |
| 00:26.02 | Taintedwisp | Be back after w hile |
| 00:26.04 | zeldarules28 | I remember that |
| 00:26.10 | zeldarules28 | I also remember being shocked you managed it ;) |
| 00:26.17 | Zolden | what's RSA? |
| 00:26.20 | DarkRevenant | galaxy is a mess |
| 00:26.22 | DarkRevenant | so limited |
| 00:26.28 | DarkRevenant | it's a type of encryption |
| 00:26.32 | DarkRevenant | usually done to sign data |
| 00:26.34 | zeldarules28 | An encryptiom |
| 00:26.47 | DarkRevenant | i use it to give people donor keys that are unhackable |
| 00:26.53 | DarkRevenant | the key only works with their bnet id |
| 00:26.54 | Zolden | why did you need to encrypt? the banks? |
| 00:27.06 | DarkRevenant | no, it doesn't encrypt banks |
| 00:27.09 | zeldarules28 | Explain that to me, rev, I never understood how you managed that system |
| 00:27.20 | DarkRevenant | it would be useless to try encrypting banks with rsa because the keys would be in the map |
| 00:27.21 | zeldarules28 | I need your smarticles :P |
| 00:27.33 | DarkRevenant | i cheated |
| 00:27.37 | zeldarules28 | People can just open the map and see your encryption keys/algorithms |
| 00:27.41 | DarkRevenant | by storing every intermediate value in strings |
| 00:27.46 | DarkRevenant | and operating in decimal |
| 00:28.05 | Zolden | nice |
| 00:28.09 | DarkRevenant | rsa only works for the donor keys because |
| 00:28.12 | DarkRevenant | only i have the private keys |
| 00:28.27 | zeldarules28 | They have to be in the map though, right? |
| 00:28.33 | DarkRevenant | the public keys are in the map |
| 00:28.44 | DarkRevenant | but to sign the data in the first place you need the private keys |
| 00:28.53 | DarkRevenant | the keymaker cannot be hacked |
| 00:28.59 | DarkRevenant | and the lock can only be used to read the key and verify it |
| 00:29.08 | zeldarules28 | So you encrypt them locally on your computer, and put the already-encrypted ones inside the map |
| 00:29.09 | DarkRevenant | and can't be used to create a key |
| 00:29.14 | A1win | why not just use the user's battle.net handle ;p |
| 00:29.23 | DarkRevenant | the map has the public keys and my comp has the private keys |
| 00:29.25 | zeldarules28 | THen you'd have to manually plug in EVERY person who donates O.o |
| 00:29.32 | zeldarules28 | Nightmare |
| 00:29.41 | DarkRevenant | i sign the donor's bnet id and the map checks to see if the signatue is valid and that the signed ID matches the player's ID |
| 00:30.04 | A1win | but why do you need anything else than the bnet id |
| 00:30.09 | zeldarules28 | I was proud of myself for encrypting starmon banks ^.^ |
| 00:30.15 | DarkRevenant | the player enters a code |
| 00:30.22 | DarkRevenant | to get this stuff |
| 00:30.29 | DarkRevenant | i do not place it in the map itself |
| 00:30.38 | DarkRevenant | that's generally a terrible idea |
| 00:30.47 | zeldarules28 | Thats where you confuse me >.> |
| 00:30.48 | A1win | oh, right |
| 00:30.48 | DarkRevenant | which i learned once my donor count breached 100 |
| 00:31.04 | A1win | so you can generate more and more keys whenever you need |
| 00:31.05 | DarkRevenant | i'm now well over 400 and that sort of thing is straight up impossible |
| 00:31.09 | DarkRevenant | even the banlists are handled automatically |
| 00:31.17 | zeldarules28 | See, thats where I dont get it |
| 00:31.22 | zeldarules28 | How can it be automatic |
| 00:31.23 | Bounty | I love how my response to having no testers today is "Fuck it ill just add more shit" |
| 00:31.26 | DarkRevenant | we have this sql database on my website and a java client that inserts the banlist into the map before i upload it |
| 00:31.29 | zeldarules28 | With no way to communicate to some kind of centralized server |
| 00:31.39 | zeldarules28 | Oh, okay |
| 00:31.41 | A1win | not automatic during runtime |
| 00:31.44 | A1win | but on publishing |
| 00:31.45 | zeldarules28 | So your bans are reported on the site itself |
| 00:31.49 | zeldarules28 | Not in-game |
| 00:32.00 | DarkRevenant | yes |
| 00:32.04 | zeldarules28 | That makes sense then, gotcha |
| 00:32.09 | zeldarules28 | You can just inject the code |
| 00:33.14 | DarkRevenant | a couple of the mods have access to the database so they can manage it and update it when required |
| 00:33.22 | DarkRevenant | and it gets put into the map at its current state whenever i upload |
| 00:33.50 | zeldarules28 | Thats a nice idea...You just need to set up the mapscript injector, which is a pain at first |
| 00:34.35 | zeldarules28 | Im trying to make the banks and whatnot for starmon as secure as possible, but it's frustrating because there's esentially nothing more I can do beyond encryption and obfuscation |
| 00:34.59 | DeadZergling | could try a little redundancy |
| 00:35.09 | zeldarules28 | who, me? |
| 00:35.14 | DeadZergling | and by that I mean, save values a few times |
| 00:35.23 | DeadZergling | check to make sure they all match |
| 00:35.28 | DeadZergling | if not, wipe the bank |
| 00:35.34 | zeldarules28 | Nah, that doesnt do anything |
| 00:35.53 | zeldarules28 | We've already got bank signatures anyways |
| 00:36.03 | zeldarules28 | That's esentially what they do, and those are easily hackable |
| 00:36.17 | zeldarules28 | We also use hashes, which is the same thing really, and that's (again) too easy to hack |
| 00:36.49 | Saeris1 | hmmm |
| 00:37.09 | Saeris1 | aparently pre-ordering the beta at Gamestop will get you a beta key on your receipt |
| 00:37.09 | zeldarules28 | We encrypt everything a few times, but players can still just open the map file and see the encryption keys |
| 00:37.16 | Saeris1 | er |
| 00:37.20 | Saeris1 | pre-ordering HotS |
| 00:37.29 | zeldarules28 | Yup, should |
| 00:37.32 | zeldarules28 | Just like WoL I belive |
| 00:37.40 | Saeris1 | yea |
| 00:37.42 | zeldarules28 | I didn't get any special access to the WoL beta :( |
| 00:37.49 | zeldarules28 | I had to buy my way in >.> |
| 00:37.51 | Saeris1 | i already have the beta tho, so, w/e |
| 00:38.07 | zeldarules28 | Yeah, me too |
| 00:38.16 | DeadZergling | yea that's true ZR, no point in overcomplicating things |
| 00:38.23 | DeadZergling | if they can just open the map file, lol |
| 00:38.29 | zeldarules28 | I mean you should always try to encrypt it of course |
| 00:38.32 | zeldarules28 | To stop the idiots from hacking it |
| 00:38.33 | Triceron | beta's still 1v1 focused tho :( |
| 00:38.45 | zeldarules28 | But a dedicated hacker can always get through |
| 00:39.02 | zeldarules28 | So I just put in some stuff to make it impossible to share your banks with others |
| 00:39.18 | zeldarules28 | You would have to hack them yourself |
| 00:39.22 | zeldarules28 | Or at least that's the idea |
| 00:39.32 | DeadZergling | how you manage that? |
| 00:39.44 | zeldarules28 | Part of the encryption key is drawn from your player handle |
| 00:39.55 | zeldarules28 | So my encrypted bank, if I gave it to you, would be garbage |
| 00:39.57 | DarkRevenant | a well-made program |
| 00:39.58 | DarkRevenant | can account for that |
| 00:40.04 | zeldarules28 | You mean to hack that? |
| 00:40.07 | DarkRevenant | yes |
| 00:40.08 | zeldarules28 | It definitly good |
| 00:40.09 | zeldarules28 | could* |
| 00:40.13 | DarkRevenant | it's not that hard to make a .net-based program |
| 00:40.19 | DarkRevenant | that can hack that kind of encryption |
| 00:40.23 | DarkRevenant | hell i could probably do it in a day |
| 00:40.26 | zeldarules28 | But it's not possible to really protect it anyways, afaik |
| 00:40.33 | zeldarules28 | Aha, but most people are dumb. You're not ^.6 |
| 00:40.39 | DarkRevenant | it takes only one |
| 00:40.47 | zeldarules28 | Very true. But theres nothing I can do, really. |
| 00:40.48 | DarkRevenant | and for them to release a program on their site |
| 00:40.59 | zeldarules28 | Unless you know of a better way to secure local bank files? |
| 00:41.03 | DarkRevenant | impossible |
| 00:41.06 | DeadZergling | haven't you already won at that point anyways though? |
| 00:41.09 | DarkRevenant | but blizz is adding server-based banks at some point anyway |
| 00:41.12 | zeldarules28 | Exactly my point |
| 00:41.13 | DeadZergling | if your mod is that popular |
| 00:41.18 | zeldarules28 | Wellllll |
| 00:41.24 | DeadZergling | that it gets a special program so people can hack it |
| 00:41.25 | zeldarules28 | If you use a 3rd party program |
| 00:41.34 | DeadZergling | haven't you already won? lol |
| 00:41.35 | zeldarules28 | You could have it check your banks aginst a cloud-stored version of it from earlier |
| 00:41.40 | DarkRevenant | of course |
| 00:41.41 | zeldarules28 | Maybe. |
| 00:41.49 | zeldarules28 | But thats a pain to your users >.> |
| 00:41.51 | DarkRevenant | anyway i bet hots is coming with server banks |
| 00:42.00 | zeldarules28 | I thought about making a program |
| 00:42.06 | DarkRevenant | so this bank encryption stuff is becoming a moot point when that happens |
| 00:42.12 | zeldarules28 | That allowed map makers to easily get thier banks backed up on a cloud |
| 00:42.36 | zeldarules28 | But yeah, I figured blizz might add it anyways |
| 00:42.53 | zeldarules28 | ARgh, IRC is so distracting, Im trying to work >.> |
| 00:43.04 | DeadZergling | then work |
| 00:43.08 | DarkRevenant | pathfinder campaign time |
| 00:43.10 | DarkRevenant | cya round |
| 00:43.16 | DarkRevenant | also i hope we figure out what's causing the |
| 00:43.22 | DarkRevenant | "YOU ALREADY OWN HOTS CONGRATS!!!" |
| 00:43.26 | zeldarules28 | lol :D |
| 00:43.32 | zeldarules28 | Maybe it's the beta license you got? |
| 00:43.36 | DarkRevenant | dont have the beta |
| 00:43.39 | zeldarules28 | O.o |
| 00:43.40 | DarkRevenant | You already have Heart of the Swarm™ in North America. You don’t need to upgrade any other Wings of Liberty® accounts, because Heart of the Swarm™ will be eligible for Global Play (you will be able to play it in any game region). However, you can still upgrade your existing Heart of the Swarm™ account to the Digital Deluxe edition. |
| 00:43.46 | zeldarules28 | lol |
| 00:44.01 | DarkRevenant | cya |
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| 00:54.33 | DeadZergling | tempted to make some really stupid half baked mod that I could probably complete in about a week. |
| 00:54.43 | DeadZergling | Just so I can say I finished a project |
| 00:55.04 | A1win | hungry hippos! |
| 00:56.20 | DeadZergling | Super Mage Nukems w/ RPG |
| 00:56.31 | DeadZergling | just the RPG will be a completely diffrent acronym |
| 00:56.57 | DeadZergling | but a ton of people look for that acronym, so many will try it out not knowing what it is! |
| 00:57.14 | A1win | well... it does stand for rocket propelled grenade |
| 00:57.22 | DeadZergling | yea |
| 00:57.47 | DeadZergling | Really Plush Goliaths! |
| 00:57.55 | DeadZergling | Due to the leather interior |
| 00:58.26 | Taintedwisp | Hey deadzergling wanna go make all my abilities |
| 00:58.26 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 00:58.27 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 00:58.59 | DeadZergling | sure, won't mind if all of them are straight from WoL and all have the word Copy on the end will you? |
| 00:59.40 | DeadZergling | give your thor some real well thought out, unique abilities |
| 00:59.55 | DeadZergling | Like burrow, Psi Storm, and cloaking field |
| 01:01.48 | Skaft | i sense sarcasm |
| 01:02.12 | DeadZergling | And your infestor can get 10 supply bonus, jump over cliffs, and stim packs. |
| 01:02.19 | DeadZergling | No weapons though, that'd be overpowering. |
| 01:02.50 | zeldarules28 | What? That sounds like 99% of the maps on bnet anyways ^.^ |
| 01:03.03 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 01:03.16 | A1win | haha I have an awesome idea for my mad scientist's lair =O the players go in there with *nothing* and then use the mad scientist's own contraptions against him, in other words a puzzle/reaction game where you get the tools on the spot |
| 01:03.21 | DeadZergling | sure TW, I'll make all your abilities all right |
| 01:03.27 | zeldarules28 | Did you guys see bounty's latest map? He beat me to the "Fat princess clone" idea >.> He did a super good job though, its on the mapster news. |
| 01:03.30 | DeadZergling | You just get no say in what they actually do. |
| 01:03.37 | DeadZergling | And you must use them no matter how horrible they are |
| 01:03.37 | Taintedwisp | hahah |
| 01:03.40 | zeldarules28 | Make sure to go check it out |
| 01:03.53 | Taintedwisp | actually Deadzergling the majority of abilities are comepleted:P |
| 01:04.09 | Taintedwisp | there are 6 remaining |
| 01:04.13 | Taintedwisp | And 4 are virtually the same |
| 01:04.43 | DeadZergling | yes, I saw the original video ZR |
| 01:04.53 | DeadZergling | made me completely uninterested in any mod based on it... |
| 01:04.55 | A1win | no comments? ;_; |
| 01:04.55 | A1win | or tl;dr? :P |
| 01:05.21 | DeadZergling | It could work a1win, but you'd have an amazingly small audience |
| 01:05.25 | DeadZergling | is what I think |
| 01:05.26 | Taintedwisp | no one loves you a1win :P |
| 01:05.31 | A1win | :x |
| 01:05.37 | A1win | depends on how well I do it |
| 01:05.38 | Taintedwisp | HATE HATE HATE haha |
| 01:05.53 | A1win | I don't mean too puzzle-oriented |
| 01:05.56 | A1win | just small things |
| 01:05.57 | DeadZergling | no, we are talking about STARCRAFT 2 players |
| 01:06.04 | A1win | like in scripted boss encounters usually |
| 01:06.05 | DeadZergling | They no likes the thinkings |
| 01:06.15 | Taintedwisp | :P pretty cool ideas though A1win i have seen it work in other games |
| 01:06.20 | *** join/#sc2mapster tordy (b84cf6c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.76.246.200) |
| 01:06.23 | tordy | im da party poopuh |
| 01:06.30 | A1win | I don't like puzzles where you need to solve some boring math stuff |
| 01:06.35 | A1win | or such |
| 01:06.58 | A1win | more like "clever use of game mechanics" kind of puzzles |
| 01:06.59 | DeadZergling | oh well fuck that then, no integrals? |
| 01:07.02 | Taintedwisp | TORDY!! go make my abilities |
| 01:07.02 | DeadZergling | I won't play that |
| 01:07.05 | A1win | ;> |
| 01:07.07 | A1win | sorry |
| 01:07.11 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 01:07.25 | tordy | gimme an example of said math puzzles in games |
| 01:07.27 | Taintedwisp | actually thats what imma do, go make some abilities :P |
| 01:07.30 | DeadZergling | it will at least have trig identities, right a1? |
| 01:07.33 | Taintedwisp | 1 + 2 =? |
| 01:07.38 | DeadZergling | 12! |
| 01:07.47 | tordy | what if it's a logic puzzle A1win? |
| 01:07.51 | tordy | is that fine |
| 01:07.54 | Taintedwisp | A + b + c = 3 solve for A |
| 01:07.55 | A1win | I can make it require multidimensional analysis if a player with DeadZergling's ID is playing |
| 01:07.56 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 01:08.06 | zeldarules28 | A = 3 - B - C |
| 01:08.10 | zeldarules28 | I got it, I win! |
| 01:08.12 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 01:08.13 | DeadZergling | Lol ZR |
| 01:08.14 | Taintedwisp | touche |
| 01:08.20 | Taintedwisp | touche' |
| 01:08.46 | DeadZergling | works for me a1 |
| 01:08.59 | DeadZergling | i'll be happy to play it in a year or two when you done |
| 01:09.01 | A1win | I don't really mean logic puzzles either, but more like "here's a new game mechanic, try to come up with a way to use it to beat this encounter" |
| 01:09.18 | Skaft | gnolls vs trolls looks abit weird, lol |
| 01:09.33 | Taintedwisp | < is the trolls |
| 01:09.38 | zeldarules28 | Have you played fat princess? |
| 01:09.51 | zeldarules28 | Its esentially that with gnolls. An trolls. |
| 01:10.08 | DeadZergling | my internet is sucking right now apparently |
| 01:10.14 | zeldarules28 | I started on an engine of it but bounty did it so much better ^.^ |
| 01:10.17 | DeadZergling | or rather, Microsoft's internet is sucking |
| 01:10.22 | Taintedwisp | No i have not played kim jong un's sister |
| 01:10.34 | zeldarules28 | I also want to make an NS2 clone so badly. I can't run NS2 on my rig, Im so mad. |
| 01:10.56 | Taintedwisp | I can barely run sc2 on my rig... |
| 01:11.11 | A1win | zeldarules28, why would you want to remake an FPS/RTS hybrid on an RTS engine :P |
| 01:11.14 | Skaft | ns2 looks pretty cool |
| 01:11.23 | zeldarules28 | Not in FPS |
| 01:11.35 | zeldarules28 | And Im saying I want to, not that its feasible |
| 01:11.38 | A1win | it's more like NS2 is a remake of starcraft on an FPS engine and because of that it is designed in a different way |
| 01:11.47 | zeldarules28 | But I was thinking something like a mashup of NS2 commanders with Fat Princess gameplay |
| 01:11.59 | zeldarules28 | 3rd person hacky slashey |
| 01:12.05 | zeldarules28 | top-down I mean |
| 01:12.10 | zeldarules28 | But with a commander |
| 01:12.16 | tordy | anything that requires fast paced responsive controls, forget about it for sc2 |
| 01:12.20 | zeldarules28 | I always loved the idea, even before I knew about NS2 |
| 01:12.26 | zeldarules28 | Hey, bounty made his map work ^.^ |
| 01:12.38 | zeldarules28 | Guys |
| 01:12.39 | tordy | what about before NS1? |
| 01:12.51 | zeldarules28 | If I wanted to get a game off steam right now |
| 01:12.55 | zeldarules28 | What should I buy |
| 01:13.01 | zeldarules28 | What would you recommend :P |
| 01:13.04 | Taintedwisp | DoDS!!! |
| 01:13.05 | DeadZergling | kinectimals |
| 01:13.05 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 01:13.06 | tordy | bounty made what map work |
| 01:13.13 | Taintedwisp | DDOS!!! |
| 01:13.27 | zeldarules28 | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/45188-showcase-gnolls-vs-trolls/#p1 |
| 01:13.29 | zeldarules28 | ^ Tordy |
| 01:13.50 | Taintedwisp | < Trolls |
| 01:14.24 | tordy | Taintedwisp what map are you working on |
| 01:14.34 | Taintedwisp | EvoFrenzy :P |
| 01:14.46 | Taintedwisp | I'm a bit slow at making maps |
| 01:14.55 | zeldarules28 | Anybody here play Xcom? |
| 01:15.03 | Taintedwisp | if I knew how to do everything I wanted to do i could have it done in a week ahah |
| 01:15.04 | zeldarules28 | Is it worth the purchase, or more of a "wait till its on sale" type of game? |
| 01:15.20 | tordy | what happened to mini chop farms |
| 01:15.31 | tordy | aka best game ever |
| 01:15.35 | Taintedwisp | LOL its finished |
| 01:15.36 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 01:15.41 | zeldarules28 | ages ago, wasn't it :P |
| 01:15.42 | Taintedwisp | I might update it SOME day |
| 01:15.42 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 01:15.49 | Taintedwisp | yeah like almost a year ago |
| 01:15.50 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:16.10 | Taintedwisp | Tordy |
| 01:16.11 | Taintedwisp | http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain050.jpg |
| 01:16.29 | Taintedwisp | I retextured the Infestor though |
| 01:16.34 | tordy | Taintedwisp is EvoFrenzy your magnum opus for this year? |
| 01:16.40 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC16lIUzHJE&feature=g-upl |
| 01:16.44 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skyMqXs1D5A&feature=g-upl |
| 01:16.49 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKoErGCHLxc&feature=g-upl |
| 01:16.51 | Taintedwisp | There |
| 01:16.53 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 01:17.01 | Taintedwisp | EvoFrenzy is my teams project :P |
| 01:18.35 | tordy | do you think your team has the same vision as you? |
| 01:18.55 | Taintedwisp | Vision? :P i dunno |
| 01:18.57 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 01:19.04 | tordy | u are the director right |
| 01:19.15 | Taintedwisp | pretty much |
| 01:19.32 | tordy | if you want it to be a masterpiece, you gotta show your team what it takes |
| 01:19.36 | Taintedwisp | They have their own visions on the parts they handle :P |
| 01:19.41 | tordy | you need them to delve inside your mind |
| 01:20.13 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 01:20.24 | tordy | do you believe their visions are adequate? |
| 01:20.26 | Taintedwisp | Actually what they want 95% of the time Coincides what I want :P |
| 01:20.31 | tordy | for your own grand vision |
| 01:20.38 | Taintedwisp | Yeah I trust in both of them (though one is on leave :P) |
| 01:20.46 | tordy | what happened to that one? |
| 01:20.55 | Taintedwisp | Hes just bored of editing right now |
| 01:21.06 | Taintedwisp | hes waiting for his interest to cycle back :P |
| 01:21.08 | tordy | so you just have 1 guy working with you now? |
| 01:21.13 | DeadZergling | so the whole point of the game is to cook your princess? |
| 01:21.17 | Skaft | isnt it difficult to work on a map together with someone, with sharing maps and such i mean |
| 01:21.44 | tordy | if you focus on modularity, it should be ok |
| 01:21.48 | tordy | one guy on triggers |
| 01:21.50 | tordy | other on terrain |
| 01:21.52 | tordy | other on data etc |
| 01:21.57 | Skaft | ah right |
| 01:21.58 | Taintedwisp | pretty much |
| 01:22.02 | Taintedwisp | Im terrain and drone data |
| 01:22.03 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 01:22.10 | Taintedwisp | the other guy is advanced data |
| 01:22.11 | tordy | or to be more specific, gameplay trigers, visual UI triggers, etc |
| 01:22.15 | Taintedwisp | and the last is triggers |
| 01:22.41 | tordy | trigger guy is on leave? |
| 01:22.58 | tordy | what's drone data |
| 01:23.20 | Taintedwisp | lol no advanced data guy is on leave |
| 01:23.29 | Taintedwisp | trigger guy is working on a library for our project |
| 01:23.41 | tordy | uh oh spaghettios |
| 01:23.52 | tordy | you do not want your advanced data guy on leave |
| 01:23.59 | tordy | as advanced data guys are rare :O |
| 01:24.09 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 01:24.12 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 01:24.14 | Taintedwisp | its all good |
| 01:24.20 | Taintedwisp | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/trigger-libraries/43572-libraries-leaderboard-banks-extras/#p1 |
| 01:24.28 | Taintedwisp | Theres really not that much advanced data to be done :P |
| 01:24.32 | tordy | are you motiviating him? |
| 01:24.38 | Taintedwisp | of course |
| 01:24.40 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 01:25.16 | tordy | with |
| 01:25.25 | tordy | dont say pics of you |
| 01:27.36 | Taintedwisp | pics of your mothe |
| 01:27.38 | Taintedwisp | r |
| 01:33.14 | A1win | hmm... interesting, story-oriented gameplay |
| 01:40.01 | DeadZergling | what you interested in now a1? lol |
| 01:40.13 | A1win | :P the same thing |
| 01:40.18 | DeadZergling | mad scientist? |
| 01:40.22 | A1win | it evolved! |
| 01:40.32 | A1win | yeah |
| 01:40.59 | A1win | a story that takes you from encounter to encounter, and each encounter provides you with both a new challenge and new means to beat it |
| 01:41.08 | A1win | well, obviously not everything will be new every time, but anyway |
| 01:42.20 | A1win | would be so awesome if I could do the mad scientist voice acting myself |
| 01:42.42 | A1win | (without it sounding too lame) |
| 01:45.06 | Taintedwisp | dHey any data editors online and feel like walking me through making an ability ? |
| 01:45.14 | Taintedwisp | not even really an ability |
| 01:45.17 | Taintedwisp | but an effect :P |
| 01:45.35 | A1win | well... depends on what kind of an effect |
| 01:45.56 | Taintedwisp | Okay, I want it so when this unit dies he explodes for high damage |
| 01:46.05 | Taintedwisp | I know i have to start with a behavior |
| 01:46.29 | A1win | can't remember exactly, but the behavior needs a combat response that triggers on fatal damage |
| 01:46.44 | A1win | there should be a flag for it |
| 01:47.12 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
| 01:47.16 | Taintedwisp | I think I got that set up |
| 01:47.25 | A1win | combat response chance to 1 from 0, and then the "handled" effect creates the explosion |
| 01:47.38 | Taintedwisp | Then I made a search area and a damage effect, and i attached the search area and it didnt work |
| 01:47.55 | A1win | make an effect that you can easily see if it worked at all or not |
| 01:48.02 | A1win | or just make a dummy effect |
| 01:48.13 | A1win | and a trigger that displays a message when that effect is used |
| 01:48.19 | A1win | so you know if that part is working |
| 01:48.19 | Taintedwisp | WAIT |
| 01:48.22 | Taintedwisp | handdled |
| 01:48.23 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 01:48.26 | A1win | I think so |
| 01:48.30 | A1win | or what was the other options? |
| 01:48.32 | Taintedwisp | i had it set to exuasted |
| 01:48.32 | A1win | -s |
| 01:48.45 | A1win | read the tooltips, can't remember what each one does |
| 01:48.56 | A1win | but I think it should be handled |
| 01:49.25 | Taintedwisp | Handled is for while the damage response is running |
| 01:49.34 | Taintedwisp | Exausted is for when it runs out |
| 01:49.55 | A1win | ah, I guess exhausted then |
| 01:50.13 | A1win | but make that debug trigger |
| 01:50.19 | Taintedwisp | well give me a sec |
| 01:50.30 | A1win | event: player uses effect, display debug message "whatever" |
| 01:51.30 | A1win | after you know it's working, you can start figuring out why the search area one doesn't (if it's still bugged) |
| 01:53.01 | A1win | in other words, I can't tell you how to make the ability but I can teach you how to learn to make it :P |
| 01:53.58 | A1win | which is a much better thing to learn anyway ;p |
| 01:56.15 | EnexyNunu | is there anyone here? |
| 01:56.26 | EnexyNunu | No? fine |
| 01:56.39 | DeadZergling | figure it out yet TW? Just need a behavior w/ fatal combat response that uses a search effect w/ damage connected to it, or just a damage effect w/ area effect, either one, lol. |
| 01:57.00 | DeadZergling | expecting a response a little soon there for this chatroom enexy, lol |
| 01:57.01 | Taintedwisp | thanks it works |
| 01:57.02 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 01:57.15 | A1win | DeadZergling, yeah he had that but it just wasn't working |
| 01:57.31 | DeadZergling | might consider putting in a delay so the explosion is you know, avoidable |
| 01:58.02 | DeadZergling | I see a1, just couldn't tell by the block of text, lol |
| 01:58.23 | A1win | now my project is cool, I can design it encounter by encounter rather than first having to design a system that works for many different encounters :> |
| 01:58.44 | A1win | freeedoooom |
| 01:58.46 | DeadZergling | no, you just need to design a system to randomly generate encounters now |
| 01:58.57 | A1win | ;p |
| 01:59.02 | A1win | nope |
| 01:59.49 | DeadZergling | anyways, be interesting to see what you've decided to replace this project w/ a week or two from now |
| 01:59.57 | A1win | ;3 |
| 02:00.22 | A1win | I'm just going through a demotivated phase, too much stress and stuff :P |
| 02:00.38 | A1win | I work in bursts |
| 02:01.06 | A1win | (not as planned, but that's just how it is) |
| 02:02.47 | DeadZergling | aye, can be really difficult/aggravating to get stuff you know you want to do done |
| 02:03.03 | DeadZergling | especially if you know how to do it roughly, just a lot of crap work |
| 02:03.13 | DeadZergling | no real problem solving |
| 02:03.37 | DeadZergling | Is much funner to use my brain.... to make smarts! |
| 02:04.12 | EnexyNunu | test |
| 02:04.19 | DeadZergling | pass |
| 02:04.23 | EnexyNunu | 0 |
| 02:04.25 | A1win | critical failure |
| 02:04.28 | DeadZergling | 1 |
| 02:04.32 | EnexyNunu | true |
| 02:04.35 | DeadZergling | false |
| 02:04.39 | EnexyNunu | set |
| 02:04.42 | Taintedwisp | Hey for Vital Max Fraction what would I put for 25% more health? |
| 02:04.43 | DeadZergling | clear |
| 02:04.44 | Taintedwisp | in a buff |
| 02:04.46 | EnexyNunu | >.> |
| 02:04.56 | A1win | <.< |
| 02:04.57 | DeadZergling | normally typed text |
| 02:05.04 | EnexyNunu | != |
| 02:05.09 | Taintedwisp | ^.^ |
| 02:05.13 | DeadZergling | anyways, I'm bored of this game |
| 02:05.16 | Taintedwisp | :O |
| 02:05.26 | Taintedwisp | HOW DARE YOU, YOU MONSTER!!! |
| 02:05.40 | Taintedwisp | youshould truely be ashamed |
| 02:05.41 | A1win | Taintedwisp, what's the default? |
| 02:05.51 | A1win | if it's 1, then 1.25, if 0, then 0.25 |
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| 02:06.05 | EnexyNunu | Fibonacci |
| 02:06.44 | Taintedwisp | it says 0 |
| 02:06.45 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 02:06.54 | Taintedwisp | the tool tip says maximum vital fraction that is gained |
| 02:07.04 | A1win | then it's 0.25 for 125% health |
| 02:07.05 | Taintedwisp | I wish they would give examples in these things |
| 02:07.06 | EnexyNunu | I know a person who knows a man |
| 02:07.08 | Taintedwisp | ok |
| 02:07.09 | EnexyNunu | A real man |
| 02:07.20 | A1win | no way |
| 02:07.30 | EnexyNunu | And that man is Edward from Twilight |
| 02:08.21 | DeadZergling | -2000 points for Enexy for even mentioning Twilight |
| 02:08.32 | EnexyNunu | Breaking Dawn Part 2. T-Minus 3 days |
| 02:08.38 | EnexyNunu | Or 2 days if yer a midnight buff |
| 02:09.42 | A1win | so... now all I need is a story D: |
| 02:09.44 | A1win | ezpz |
| 02:12.00 | DeadZergling | Due to his inability to commit to a project, the crazy scientist A1win has made a series of logical challenges that all have nothing to do with each other and can be sporadically created in a day or two each. You must solve them in order to........ solve more challenges. |
| 02:12.16 | A1win | sounds good |
| 02:15.43 | DeadZergling | lol, designing a whole complex system just to make a few dozen civilians wander around a city, make it look populated |
| 02:15.56 | A1win | ;> |
| 02:16.06 | A1win | that reminds me of a game called Orbital Sniper |
| 02:16.19 | A1win | someone made it for a "make a game in 48 hours" competition some years ago |
| 02:16.58 | DeadZergling | lol, I'd make my Super Mage Nukers w/ RPG |
| 02:17.01 | DeadZergling | for something like that |
| 02:17.25 | DeadZergling | well you know, if I had more than a few hours free time at home to ever get any mapping done... |
| 02:17.25 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gBYgK92gTw <- crappy video but shows the idea |
| 02:18.00 | A1win | basically you zoom out to see your target, and then zoom in and click the mouse to kill it :P |
| 02:18.11 | Taintedwisp | hahah this hero is going to be Irritating :P |
| 02:18.16 | Taintedwisp | but fun |
| 02:18.42 | DeadZergling | yea, could see the bnet lag there, it almost helps that game, lol |
| 02:20.02 | A1win | bnet lag? |
| 02:20.32 | DeadZergling | or is that a game from scratch? |
| 02:20.39 | A1win | yeah, it's a game, not an SC2 map :P |
| 02:20.45 | A1win | completely from scratch in 48 hours |
| 02:20.56 | DeadZergling | im sure he drew all those buildings himself |
| 02:21.09 | A1win | nah that's some satellite pic :P |
| 02:21.11 | Bounty | Is there anyway to change a ground textures color abit? |
| 02:21.17 | A1win | but code from scratch |
| 02:21.47 | A1win | can't think of any other way than by changing lighting, or editing the texture file itself |
| 02:21.54 | A1win | or put an overlay texture on it :P |
| 02:22.00 | A1win | *decal |
| 02:22.04 | Bounty | how do you do that? |
| 02:22.04 | Bounty | ah |
| 02:22.13 | Bounty | how do i do that? lol |
| 02:22.13 | A1win | doodad actor |
| 02:22.17 | A1win | dunno ;p |
| 02:22.23 | A1win | someone made some custom decals a few days ago |
| 02:22.28 | A1win | can't remember who, though D: |
| 02:25.32 | DeadZergling | coudl always take existing textures |
| 02:25.35 | DeadZergling | recolor them |
| 02:25.44 | DeadZergling | import them back in |
| 02:25.48 | DeadZergling | add them to your texture set |
| 02:26.21 | A1win | mm that's what I meant by editing the texture itself |
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| 02:27.45 | DeadZergling | yea, I see that, this about your Gnolls/Trolls game bounty? |
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| 02:33.16 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKhLdJy7OB0 this song has started to sound even more awesome than it was when the album was released xO |
| 02:54.15 | A1win | DeadZergling, still here? D: I got an interesting idea: instead of just giving players random abilities based on the things they encounter, they have a few basic abilities like "shoot", "use computer", "use device" and such, and then when they find let's say a gun, the "shoot" ability activates and is replaced by an ability that shoots with that particular gun he just found |
| 02:54.49 | A1win | that way players won't need to be always reading the ability tooltips when they unlock an ability as they have a general idea of what the ability is used for |
| 02:54.57 | A1win | then they can just use it to find out what exactly it does |
| 02:58.04 | DeadZergling | might be more intuitive to use, sure |
| 02:58.05 | ckSynergy | anyone familiar with footprints? |
| 02:58.07 | DeadZergling | be more work for you though |
| 02:58.18 | A1win | what do you mean more work? |
| 02:58.29 | A1win | I was intending to do that kind of abilities anyway :x |
| 02:58.52 | A1win | ckSynergy, kind of |
| 02:59.02 | A1win | to some extent I mean |
| 03:01.14 | A1win | :O was there away to change mouse cursor based on the unit it's hovering on |
| 03:01.45 | A1win | or was that for something else than units |
| 03:03.08 | A1win | Set Unit Highlight Cursor :> |
| 03:04.05 | ckSynergy | would you know off the top of your head if theres a footprint type that detects buildings but not units? |
| 03:04.22 | A1win | what do you mean by detects? |
| 03:04.34 | ckSynergy | basically, I have a ability that creates a unit and I use a pathing footprint on it, but its freaking annoying you can build when a unit paths by |
| 03:04.41 | ckSynergy | *cant |
| 03:05.19 | ckSynergy | or at least, I need to be able to order the ability to trigger regardless if units are in the way |
| 03:05.52 | A1win | Block Vision, Boost Cliff, Boost Height, Creep, Fogged, Ground - No Spawn, Masked, Near Resources, No Build, No Burrowing, No Creep, Resource Drop Off, Shrub Vision |
| 03:05.57 | A1win | those are the things you can detect |
| 03:06.23 | A1win | so if your structures Apply "No Build" and you check for No Build, might work |
| 03:06.28 | A1win | or maybe not... dunno |
| 03:06.40 | A1win | might be that units also apply no build where they stand :X |
| 03:06.49 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 03:07.00 | ckSynergy | thats all I needed to know, thanks |
| 03:07.27 | A1win | seems that buildings apply Ground - No Spawn and No Build by default |
| 03:07.38 | A1win | and check for Masked and No Build |
| 03:08.05 | A1win | so I guess it isn't possible |
| 03:08.43 | ckSynergy | yea, I suppose |
| 03:11.53 | ckSynergy | man it would be nice if we could tie animation sequences to persistents |
| 03:12.06 | ckSynergy | key word sequences |
| 03:12.08 | DeadZergling | heading home anywho, take it easy all |
| 03:12.08 | Vailreth | i think you can just make a footprint with out Invalid: no build ticked for placement check? |
| 03:12.38 | A1win | Vailreth, then you can build it on buildings too, I'd think |
| 03:12.39 | ckSynergy | Vailreth: no worries man I got it |
| 03:13.02 | Vailreth | ah ok |
| 03:13.02 | A1win | or can you |
| 03:13.14 | ckSynergy | Ill just set the placement footprint to Footprint(No collision) and have the create unit effect validate placement |
| 03:13.24 | A1win | oh maybe not since they apply unpathable under them too |
| 03:13.32 | ckSynergy | that'll at least let it fire and then try to build at the nearest point |
| 03:13.49 | Vailreth | hm |
| 03:23.12 | Vailreth | ah you can create a footprint that can be built over |
| 03:25.28 | Ahli | baaaaam 345mb windows update available |
| 03:32.22 | Repo | New asset: World of Wacraft Icon Collection - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/world-wacraft-icon-collection/ |
| 03:32.23 | Repo | New map: Crimson Moon - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/crimson-moon/ |
| 03:32.24 | Repo | New map: Micro Wars Evolution - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/micro-wars-evolution/ |
| 03:32.25 | Repo | New map: Furnace - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/furnace/ |
| 03:32.39 | Saeris1 | hmmmm |
| 03:32.43 | Saeris1 | well that's annoying |
| 03:33.02 | Saeris1 | doesn't seem to be a way to hook up new cursors through data or triggers |
| 03:33.22 | Saeris1 | just edit the textures of existing cursors |
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| 04:57.19 | Dryeyece | Hey guys |
| 04:57.46 | Dryeyece | anyone had any trouble recently with arm magazine abilities not auto-building when flagged to do so? |
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| 05:08.47 | ckSynergy | nope |
| 05:09.05 | ckSynergy | do you have a duration set? |
| 05:09.28 | ckSynergy | erm Time |
| 05:10.24 | Dryeyece | yeah |
| 05:10.46 | Dryeyece | the links are correct also |
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| 05:11.04 | Dryeyece | it just won't auto-build =/ |
| 05:11.32 | Dryeyece | I even duped the broodlord ability and that one wouldn't autobuild either |
| 05:11.41 | Dryeyece | but the default brood lord one still does |
| 05:11.52 | ckSynergy | auto build and auto build on are both enabled? |
| 05:12.31 | Ahli | supply cap? |
| 05:12.36 | Ahli | not enough resources? |
| 05:12.49 | ckSynergy | ah yea |
| 05:12.54 | Ahli | having 15k units on the map? |
| 05:12.56 | ckSynergy | might want to set ignore unit cost to true |
| 05:14.22 | Dryeyece | nahh the unit has no cost I made it myself |
| 05:14.35 | Dryeyece | I can use the ability and it will build the unit |
| 05:14.41 | Dryeyece | it just wont do it automatically |
| 05:15.00 | Ahli | missing queue? |
| 05:16.54 | Dryeyece | yeah I dont have a qeue I think thats it |
| 05:17.52 | ckSynergy | anyone know off the top of their head of there is/is still a cap on the number of abilities a unit can have? |
| 05:18.13 | Ahli | I think so |
| 05:18.54 | Dryeyece | I dont know |
| 05:19.09 | Dryeyece | take one and copy paste an ability thats on it till it wont let you anmore =p |
| 05:19.15 | ckSynergy | lol |
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| 05:20.22 | ckSynergy | not exactly what I wanted to do lol |
| 05:21.10 | Dryeyece | when ur done just hit cancel and all is forgiven\ |
| 05:24.16 | Dryeyece | Ok adding a qeue fixed it, thanks =p its always the little things lol |
| 05:37.09 | ckSynergy | always lol |
| 06:13.59 | ckSynergy | well this sucks |
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| 07:02.55 | ckSynergy | so close yet so far! |
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| 07:23.14 | Dryeyece | asdf |
| 07:23.19 | Dryeyece | just checking |
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| 08:10.14 | Ahli | morning, didn't sleep... :S |
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| 09:13.39 | Lajjla | XenoX101, my love, can you make a computer-hostile (player 15) bunker loaded with 4 marines in a melee map? |
| 09:13.53 | Lajjla | As in, I want to do something cute and block a gold base not with rocks but with an enemy bunker |
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| 10:36.37 | Monkalizer | any action around here= |
| 10:36.40 | Monkalizer | ? |
| 10:40.35 | DeadZergling | not really, unless you consider converting a vigimal based numbering system to treoctagicimal action. |
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| 10:42.43 | Monkalizer | haha still working on that thing? |
| 10:43.23 | DeadZergling | what do you mean still, I spent last night avoiding it, lol |
| 10:43.38 | Monkalizer | so vigimal is a number system based on 123456789abcdef something. but that is treoctiagicimal? |
| 10:43.42 | Monkalizer | cant find it on google |
| 10:43.54 | Monkalizer | *by searching it |
| 10:44.19 | Monkalizer | well you talked about it two days ago or something :) |
| 10:44.21 | DeadZergling | base 83 |
| 10:44.26 | Monkalizer | ehh |
| 10:44.36 | DeadZergling | yea, I was debating whether it was worth the hassle |
| 10:44.45 | Monkalizer | well :) good luck with that one |
| 10:44.57 | Monkalizer | are you going to save pictures in banks or what ? |
| 10:45.24 | DeadZergling | nope |
| 10:45.30 | DeadZergling | all controlled by functions I made |
| 10:45.52 | DeadZergling | someone pointed me to some of the basis for the starbanks thing, I don't actually use starbanks |
| 10:45.57 | DeadZergling | but I used part of it to optimize what I had |
| 10:46.26 | Monkalizer | will be interesting to see how it turns out |
| 10:47.11 | Monkalizer | oh! just saw the bearded lady... sort of |
| 10:47.30 | Monkalizer | she had a massive mustasch... dont see that often these datys |
| 10:47.48 | DeadZergling | well actually monk |
| 10:47.58 | DeadZergling | unless you are editing your bank files |
| 10:48.04 | DeadZergling | no one will see how it turned out |
| 10:48.06 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 10:49.56 | Monkalizer | but I |
| 10:50.05 | Monkalizer | but I'm all about that! |
| 10:51.01 | Monkalizer | I once tried to print all unit death events of a game into a bankfile... turned out there is a limit to how much you can cram into one :) I ended up using debug files instead :) |
| 10:52.37 | Monkalizer | Also, I need some data storage model to store stuff in the new version of my mod that Im working on, so I have been snooping around other peoples bankfiles to se how I could do it ^^ |
| 10:54.11 | DeadZergling | turns out it works, it just really dislikes it when I give it char values it doesn't recognize, lol |
| 10:54.40 | DeadZergling | suppose my testing method of just mashing the keyboard randomly can do that |
| 10:55.19 | Monkalizer | hm... yeah i remember the discussion we had about storing !%"%¤# etc in banks |
| 10:55.37 | DeadZergling | yea, I used that list to make up what I got |
| 10:55.44 | DeadZergling | minus certain chars |
| 10:55.48 | Monkalizer | I guess you would have to make your own keycode system for special letters |
| 10:56.01 | DeadZergling | Was getting a little confusing/hectic having so many 0's everywhere |
| 10:56.05 | Monkalizer | like its done in html |
| 10:56.08 | DeadZergling | so I allowed 6 other chars to be 0 as well |
| 10:57.22 | Monkalizer | you could copy/paste something from a html-guide and make a monster-switch, to enable all letters. including swedish ones like ÅÄÖ |
| 10:58.08 | DeadZergling | aye, monster switch is what I got rid of |
| 10:58.21 | DeadZergling | to optimize it more |
| 10:58.24 | Monkalizer | i like monster switches :) |
| 10:58.32 | DeadZergling | instead, is a monster string |
| 10:58.45 | DeadZergling | using stringfind and substring functions to do it |
| 10:58.46 | Monkalizer | i use them a lot for my UI management |
| 10:58.57 | DeadZergling | don't get me wrong, they have their uses |
| 10:59.19 | Monkalizer | well, they can be pretty slow, especially if you have a low-prio case |
| 10:59.20 | DeadZergling | just this one gets used so often I would be an idiot not to optimize it |
| 10:59.31 | Monkalizer | mhm |
| 10:59.52 | Monkalizer | argh... my lunch is soon over :( |
| 10:59.56 | Monkalizer | 11.59 |
| 11:00.07 | Monkalizer | noooes |
| 11:00.23 | Monkalizer | 12.00, well, gtg |
| 11:00.36 | Monkalizer | stupid time |
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| 12:01.25 | Skaft | hello :3 |
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| 12:10.21 | Zolden | hi |
| 12:19.09 | A1win | DeadZergling, unless it's something that happens like 100 times every game frame or takes too long to execute during one frame, there's not much point to optimize D: |
| 12:19.36 | DeadZergling | it bothers me not to, good enough reason for me |
| 12:19.40 | A1win | :P |
| 12:19.53 | A1win | you can see average execution times for functions with the debugger |
| 12:20.12 | A1win | and call counts etc |
| 12:20.25 | A1win | just optimize the ones that look bad there ;p |
| 12:20.32 | A1win | if you need to optimize |
| 12:24.16 | DeadZergling | remind me, where did they hide the debug button again, lol |
| 12:24.34 | Zolden | was tonights server maintenance a new patch installation, to give us globabl play? |
| 12:24.34 | A1win | preferences - test document |
| 12:25.18 | DeadZergling | ah, there it is |
| 12:25.28 | DeadZergling | used to it being a little more accessible, lol |
| 12:26.03 | A1win | something to suggest for the blizz guys when they get back ;p |
| 12:26.17 | A1win | I always have it on, though |
| 12:26.25 | DeadZergling | break, continue, skip, they are nice tools |
| 12:26.33 | A1win | not the break though ;D |
| 12:26.36 | DeadZergling | I assure you though, this one gets called often |
| 12:26.40 | A1win | I mean I don't have it always on |
| 12:26.59 | A1win | hehe |
| 12:27.27 | A1win | just saying that your "often" might not be "often" for the script engine |
| 12:27.53 | A1win | even once every game frame is not "often" in many cases |
| 12:28.26 | A1win | meaning that some functions can be executed hundreds or thousands of times during one game frame and still cause no performance issues |
| 12:29.56 | A1win | btw I still haven't changed my mind on the project 8o |
| 12:30.22 | A1win | http://i.imgur.com/4tonI.jpg |
| 12:31.24 | Zolden | oh, I clicked this before was born |
| 12:37.18 | DeadZergling | yea, I gave you a couple weeks, lol |
| 12:37.46 | A1win | :P |
| 12:38.23 | Ahli | the global play blog used the word "months", zolden |
| 12:39.49 | Zolden | I'd use the word "gay" then |
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| 13:36.03 | Skaft | Can i do a text message trigger where i use triggering player inside of the text message? |
| 13:36.17 | A1win | wha? |
| 13:36.45 | A1win | oh, sure |
| 13:37.50 | A1win | in the text message text value, go to the Expression tab (alternatively use "combine text multiple" function, but that's more messy) |
| 13:38.26 | A1win | in the expression tab, write your text message, then put ~A~ where you want the player name/number to be, and then set the A variable as that |
| 13:38.44 | A1win | I mean the A value |
| 13:38.49 | Skaft | ah, alright |
| 13:39.20 | A1win | you can also add more values if you need more than just one thing that is replaced dynamically |
| 13:39.49 | A1win | if you need player name, there's a "Name of Player" function that returns a text value |
| 13:39.57 | Skaft | gotcha, thanks |
| 13:39.58 | A1win | and if you want the player number, use Convert Integer To Text |
| 13:40.40 | Skaft | sweet, that was easy |
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| 14:30.26 | Ashamed | ahh |
| 14:32.00 | Zolden | found another reason to be ashamed? |
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| 14:40.40 | Skaft | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOH0EpJ2lfQ |
| 14:45.22 | Zolden | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wqDMw2aHSc |
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| 15:33.06 | Dustin|Work | Morning |
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| 15:37.50 | NGKrush | hello |
| 15:38.24 | NGKrush | i've made an ability and i want to force the player not to be able to move during the whole proces of the ability |
| 15:38.50 | NGKrush | do i need to make a no-movement buff, or is it possible in the ability itself |
| 15:39.24 | NGKrush | so, in the approach untill the finish stages he shouldnt be able to move |
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| 15:40.57 | tordy | wassup |
| 15:41.31 | ckSynergy | hey tordy |
| 15:41.47 | ckSynergy | NGK: Typically no movement is applied in a buff, but you might make the ability channeled |
| 15:42.00 | ckSynergy | Try setting a high cast finish time |
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| 15:42.59 | tordy | what's the best way to get timescale to affect a unit's weapon projectile too? |
| 15:43.14 | ckSynergy | what? |
| 15:43.22 | ckSynergy | oh |
| 15:43.28 | tordy | timescale buff |
| 15:43.35 | NGKrush | finish time doesnt work, i have my unit on wasd controls, so a x0.0 multiplier on movement sounds better, no? |
| 15:43.47 | ckSynergy | Probably have to copy the behavior onto the projectile at launch |
| 15:43.56 | tordy | :[ |
| 15:43.59 | tordy | so messy |
| 15:44.17 | ckSynergy | or you could use a really really tiny search aura that applies the buff to missiles |
| 15:44.25 | ckSynergy | how is that messy tordy? |
| 15:44.42 | tordy | cuz my timescale buff activation is in triggers |
| 15:44.48 | ckSynergy | Oo |
| 15:44.50 | tordy | and i have to do specific cases for projectile weapons in data |
| 15:45.07 | ckSynergy | Why is it in triggers? |
| 15:45.13 | Dustin|Work | sounds messy as fuuu |
| 15:45.35 | tordy | cuz it's mode & event dependent |
| 15:46.56 | ckSynergy | ah |
| 15:49.24 | NGKrush | i'm new at these behaviours. i made a slowdown behaviour, and then added an effect that calls the behaviour to the weapon when fired |
| 15:49.32 | NGKrush | is that wrong? |
| 15:51.20 | Dustin|Work | Should work i think |
| 15:52.19 | ckSynergy | aye sounds about right |
| 15:52.43 | NGKrush | but it doesnt work |
| 15:52.49 | ckSynergy | just to verify |
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| 15:53.10 | ckSynergy | weapon->effct:apply behavior->behavior:buff(modify speed) |
| 15:53.28 | ckSynergy | is that right? |
| 15:53.50 | NGKrush | i dont have a weapon |
| 15:54.03 | ckSynergy | you said it was tied to a weapon |
| 15:54.06 | Dustin|Work | y |
| 15:54.07 | Dustin|Work | a |
| 15:54.10 | Dustin|Work | Dont lie to us! |
| 15:54.16 | NGKrush | ah, sory |
| 15:54.20 | NGKrush | :? |
| 15:54.25 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 15:54.26 | ckSynergy | lol Dustin |
| 15:54.41 | NGKrush | i have an ability that shoots a fireball |
| 15:54.57 | ckSynergy | sounds more like a concussive grenade lol |
| 15:55.00 | NGKrush | and i want the unit to be forced to stant still while the ability fires |
| 15:55.27 | Dustin|Work | Just make sure the ability isn't transient |
| 15:55.35 | Dustin|Work | And it should automatically make him stop to shoot |
| 15:55.48 | Vailreth | i usually have the exact opposite problem i need to make abilities that fire while the unit is moving |
| 15:55.49 | ckSynergy | add a cast finish time to the ability, set the effect to a launch missile type, check the channeled flag, and have the impact effect apply the slow buff |
| 15:56.54 | ckSynergy | for the projectile, make a new unit named "fireball", check the "missile" flag, goto actors, make an actor for your unit, set the birth creation death effects, |
| 15:57.08 | ckSynergy | then in your launch missile effect set it to your new projectile |
| 15:58.42 | ckSynergy | hope that made sense to you |
| 15:58.56 | NGKrush | euhm.. i'm trying to make sence of it :) |
| 15:58.58 | NGKrush | hang on |
| 15:59.00 | ckSynergy | you could probably just as well use a persistent effect |
| 15:59.33 | ckSynergy | persistents, buffs, and launch missiles have the channeled flag for use. |
| 15:59.39 | ckSynergy | dunno what else |
| 15:59.57 | ckSynergy | but personally Id use a missile for a fireball |
| 16:00.03 | ckSynergy | Hey Dustin |
| 16:00.06 | NGKrush | i have a missile |
| 16:00.21 | NGKrush | but its mixed up in a lot of checking persistents etc |
| 16:00.31 | ckSynergy | >.> |
| 16:00.56 | NGKrush | i've got a edited form of onetwosc's diablo fireball |
| 16:00.57 | ckSynergy | I think my most complicated ability uses 4-5 persistents lol |
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| 16:01.04 | ckSynergy | link? |
| 16:01.45 | NGKrush | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3UVVG9C80o |
| 16:02.44 | NGKrush | but mine is instant, so it fires like in supermariobros orso |
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| 16:06.47 | ckSynergy | yup yup launch missile |
| 16:08.23 | NGKrush | cant i just add a buff to my unit that fires that stops him from moving for x secs? |
| 16:08.53 | NGKrush | a seperate effect to the ability triggering. it would make it a lot cleaner |
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| 16:16.33 | ckSynergy | ability cast finish time |
| 16:16.49 | ckSynergy | have you tried that? |
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| 16:17.02 | NGKrush | yes |
| 16:17.13 | NGKrush | it doesnt change |
| 16:17.26 | NGKrush | i think my wasd script overrides it |
| 16:19.20 | ckSynergy | ah yea maybe |
| 16:19.50 | NGKrush | i see my ability button grey out for a long time, but i can still walk |
| 16:19.50 | ckSynergy | guess you could apply a buff behavior is "suppress movement" thats always on |
| 16:20.00 | ckSynergy | and add a validator for "NO fireball order" |
| 16:20.06 | ckSynergy | which validates the ability firing |
| 16:20.33 | NGKrush | so the buff would only active when i fire? |
| 16:20.40 | NGKrush | activate |
| 16:22.43 | Dustin|Work | You could also just have a behavior for the length of time needed to stop, set movement speed to 0. Then on your persistant to fire the fireball, make a set effect that contains your buff and fireball shoot effect |
| 16:24.06 | NGKrush | yeah, that'd work |
| 16:25.09 | NGKrush | so i would have to change the movement speed in behaviour:modification? |
| 16:25.14 | NGKrush | sorry, new to this |
| 16:32.01 | NGKrush | @dustin: yes, thats working, thanks! |
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| 16:47.53 | Dustin|Work | No prob! |
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| 17:09.57 | Monkalizer | it feels like kerrigan has become less of a caricature of a sexy woman now that she is going to be the main character |
| 17:10.04 | Monkalizer | by looking at the picture |
| 17:10.08 | Monkalizer | *pictures |
| 17:10.19 | Dustin|Work | wha |
| 17:10.27 | Dustin|Work | She stoped being sexy when she was zergafied |
| 17:10.37 | Dustin|Work | You nasty perv! |
| 17:10.42 | Monkalizer | I mean smaller boobs and smaller lips |
| 17:11.33 | Dustin|Work | Did going human give her a breast reduction? The humanity!!! |
| 17:12.21 | Monkalizer | I think they redesigned her to be more of a character than a caricature... even though she is still a caricature |
| 17:13.19 | Dustin|Work | I wonder who's going to be the main char in Legacy of the void |
| 17:13.32 | Monkalizer | hm... me too... |
| 17:13.41 | Vailreth | i would think Zeratul |
| 17:13.43 | Dustin|Work | Zeratul is still alive isn't he |
| 17:13.49 | Dustin|Work | Yeah that's what I was thinking |
| 17:14.04 | Monkalizer | I cant wait for it :D protoss is my fav race! Sadly I think thats exactly what I will have to do |
| 17:14.20 | Dustin|Work | Gonna have to wait another 3 years |
| 17:14.22 | Monkalizer | but isnt he dying or something? |
| 17:14.42 | Monkalizer | i have to get a job at blizzard and make sure that campaign rocks! |
| 17:14.48 | Vailreth | na he was just wounded |
| 17:14.52 | Monkalizer | mhm |
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| 17:15.16 | Dustin|Work | Fuck it's mille, everyone pretend you're not here. |
| 17:15.18 | mille25 | hi |
| 17:15.33 | mille25 | :( |
| 17:15.37 | Monkalizer | i'm not here |
| 17:15.41 | Vailreth | hello im pretending im not here.... so err you dont see or here me |
| 17:16.01 | Vailreth | hear* |
| 17:16.18 | Vailreth | which as this is a text coverstaion amounts to seeing me ... |
| 17:16.22 | Vailreth | but any way |
| 17:16.28 | Zolden | guys, check my new turret model: http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/33/30/crystal_turret.jpg |
| 17:16.54 | Monkalizer | some kind of diamond turret? |
| 17:17.07 | Vailreth | they look like viruses from Jimmy Neutron |
| 17:18.26 | Zolden | yeah, I thought to call it diamond |
| 17:19.14 | Monkalizer | what does it shoot= |
| 17:19.42 | Vailreth | better be either crystals or lasers |
| 17:19.48 | Dustin|Work | d20! |
| 17:19.53 | Zolden | lasers I guess |
| 17:20.03 | Zolden | I have another turret which will shoot crystals |
| 17:20.08 | Vailreth | damn straight lasers |
| 17:21.45 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/33/31/crystal_turret_2.jpg |
| 17:21.57 | Zolden | piu-piu |
| 17:23.00 | Dustin|Work | I dont know about that crystal on the back of it |
| 17:23.08 | Dustin|Work | I think it'd look cooler without it |
| 17:23.59 | Zolden | hmm... probably you right |
| 17:38.06 | Monkalizer | hm... what should I be working on today... buttons/UI or crawlerator |
| 17:39.05 | Monkalizer | i'm clicking through the artwork at battle.net and got stuck on this one... http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/media/artwork/?keywords=&view#/cin_marine_01 |
| 17:39.25 | Monkalizer | its basically a marine diper |
| 17:39.27 | Dustin|Work | I think to make Ultralisks viable, they should add the ability for up to 6 hydras to ride one |
| 17:39.40 | Monkalizer | aw yeah |
| 17:40.18 | Monkalizer | or you could have a zerg unit that can eat other zerg units until it becomes huge and super-powerful |
| 17:40.33 | Monkalizer | so the game turns into this feed-the-monster game |
| 17:40.49 | Monkalizer | depending on what you feed it with it will get different abilities |
| 17:41.07 | Dustin|Work | That'd be sweeet |
| 17:41.23 | Monkalizer | back to the diper: I wonder what all those cables are for. One of them has to be for pee, but the rest? |
| 17:42.22 | Monkalizer | its not for poo because they have a hatch for that at the rear: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/media/artwork/?keywords=&view#/cin_marine_03 |
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| 17:43.09 | Monkalizer | oh the mysteries of the universe |
| 17:47.18 | Monkalizer | http://www.indiegogo.com/furnace some guy rising money for his project |
| 17:48.26 | ckSynergy | isnt that against blizz tos? |
| 17:48.37 | Monkalizer | doubt the guy will get the 1700 bucks he wants |
| 17:48.42 | ckSynergy | yea lol |
| 17:51.02 | Monkalizer | I'm not sure about the legal status.. I think its kind of in a gray area.. he is not giving blizzard stuff away - and players are required to buy the game. |
| 17:51.35 | Monkalizer | I think the other guy who atempted something similar on kickstarter had most of his problems caused by kickstarter |
| 17:55.22 | Dustin|Work | wtf |
| 17:55.24 | Dustin|Work | That guy stole my idea! |
| 17:55.34 | Dustin|Work | Actually not |
| 17:55.38 | Dustin|Work | It sucks combared to mine |
| 17:55.41 | Dustin|Work | compared |
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| 17:56.36 | Monkalizer | yeah I thought it was similar to my stuff too, but no - he has a different approach. also he has not started the development yet |
| 17:57.06 | Monkalizer | are you also working on something squad-based? |
| 17:57.11 | Dustin|Work | No |
| 17:57.25 | Dustin|Work | the 2 team, 5v5 palyer 1v1 commander shit |
| 17:57.41 | Dustin|Work | Basically I was bringing Natural Selection/Savage 2 to SC2 |
| 17:58.39 | Monkalizer | i have not played those games... will check on youtube |
| 17:59.35 | Dustin|Work | I think I have some footage of it on my showcase video |
| 17:59.38 | Zolden | these money raisers must link videos of their previous mods, how wlse would ppl know if he a gppd mapmaker |
| 17:59.49 | Monkalizer | mhm, so some kind if fps arena style game? |
| 18:00.16 | Dustin|Work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWXO44LhyD4 |
| 18:00.32 | Dustin|Work | I used Diablo 2 style controls isntead of a FPS |
| 18:00.39 | Dustin|Work | For the class based play |
| 18:00.42 | Monkalizer | I would like to add a donation button somewhere when I'm done, but I dont know what service I would choose? Have you got any experience with this? |
| 18:01.01 | Monkalizer | seems goot = less lag |
| 18:01.01 | Dustin|Work | Use Paypal |
| 18:01.12 | Dustin|Work | Yeah, it worked out well for the prototype |
| 18:01.27 | Dustin|Work | But I ran into some issues with missile fireing locations and being affected by cliff levels |
| 18:01.33 | Dustin|Work | so I havent worked on it in forever |
| 18:02.27 | Monkalizer | hm |
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| 18:05.00 | Monkalizer | i guess this service is the best one https://personal.paypal.com/cgi-bin/marketingweb?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=marketing_us/fundraise |
| 18:10.15 | Zolden | that nigger has a realy huge mouth |
| 18:11.07 | Monkalizer | huh? |
| 18:11.36 | Zolden | the nigger on a picture at your link |
| 18:12.09 | Monkalizer | yeah, but mind your language :) |
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| 18:12.26 | Taintedwisp | hey eveyone |
| 18:12.34 | Monkalizer | hellu |
| 18:12.36 | Zolden | he could consume a big orange without cutting it |
| 18:12.40 | Zolden | tainted |
| 18:12.50 | Zolden | wanna check a huge mouth nigger? |
| 18:13.03 | Taintedwisp | what? |
| 18:13.06 | Zolden | https://personal.paypal.com/cgi-bin/marketingweb?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=marketing_us/fundraise |
| 18:13.06 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:13.11 | Zolden | check it |
| 18:13.20 | Taintedwisp | Nah thats not a nigger... |
| 18:13.25 | Taintedwisp | thats just a big mouth black dude |
| 18:13.59 | Taintedwisp | http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/70368130/nigger+Douche.jpg THATS a nigger... |
| 18:14.04 | Taintedwisp | Huge difference |
| 18:14.13 | Taintedwisp | here is some definitions |
| 18:14.14 | Zolden | oh |
| 18:14.16 | Zolden | I see |
| 18:14.24 | Taintedwisp | Black guy - Darker skin color, has job and takes care of his family |
| 18:14.45 | Taintedwisp | NIgger - Hood trash, sells drugs, Shoots at people, and cant use a single word of the english dictionary correctly |
| 18:14.50 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 18:15.10 | Zolden | ty for the explaination |
| 18:15.24 | Taintedwisp | your welcome |
| 18:15.56 | Taintedwisp | Theres also one for white people |
| 18:16.07 | Taintedwisp | White guy - Has a job, takes care of family, hated by everyone |
| 18:16.10 | Monkalizer | whiggers? |
| 18:16.18 | Taintedwisp | Hillbilly - "Git off mur lawn |
| 18:16.58 | Taintedwisp | actually a hillbilly and a nigger are the same thing, just different color skin |
| 18:16.59 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 18:17.14 | Zolden | lol |
| 18:17.41 | Taintedwisp | see im not racist... :P i just call it as i see it, and seeing how the word nigger means ignorant, then well.... |
| 18:17.51 | Taintedwisp | Of course to me, trash is trash |
| 18:18.08 | Taintedwisp | if you wanna attack other people, sell drugs, and massivly spread aids... welll |
| 18:19.00 | Taintedwisp | But yeah the guy in that picture is a black guy, See how his teeth are clean, and hes actually helping someone ? |
| 18:19.30 | Taintedwisp | Theres no difference in the races, just the trash of each race has its own word :P |
| 18:19.44 | Taintedwisp | HIllbillies are white trash |
| 18:19.46 | Zolden | yeah, he looks fine, they use fine guys in ads |
| 18:19.57 | Zolden | but he has a pretty huge mouth |
| 18:20.13 | Zolden | he could consume that child's head without crushing the skull |
| 18:20.25 | Taintedwisp | Trust me, I grew up in whats considered the hood, with nothing but niggers... And even then I can tell you, theres a huge difference between a nigger and a black guy |
| 18:20.44 | Taintedwisp | well im not going to debate that one :P |
| 18:21.42 | Zolden | well, big mouth doesn't make anyone nigger, it's just a funny thing, like a kerrigan wings |
| 18:21.45 | Taintedwisp | Its funny because people see me as a racist :P, If a black guy is offended, tehn he sees himself as ignorant trash.... then he should probably change :P |
| 18:21.58 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:22.04 | Taintedwisp | where are you from zolden |
| 18:22.04 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 18:22.20 | Taintedwisp | gotta be the southern united states somewhere |
| 18:22.31 | Zolden | racism is 20 century thing, I think modern ppl are ok about differencies |
| 18:22.40 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:22.58 | Taintedwisp | Possibly, I just hate the trash that ruins our country |
| 18:23.10 | Zolden | I'd liek to visit any states of us, i'm from russia, and never been in usa, but love it via its movies |
| 18:23.11 | Taintedwisp | but then again some of the greatest black men have come from the hood |
| 18:23.21 | Taintedwisp | ah |
| 18:23.29 | Taintedwisp | Well... america is nothing like its movies :P |
| 18:23.43 | Taintedwisp | Hell I wanna go to Ukraine :P |
| 18:23.48 | Taintedwisp | for very legitimate reasons |
| 18:23.57 | Taintedwisp | 1:2 Male : Female ratio |
| 18:24.01 | Taintedwisp | Lucky bastards |
| 18:24.12 | Zolden | for the american it is, but i will see it just the same way i saw it in a movies, it's a perception thing |
| 18:24.47 | Zolden | Ukranian girls are super beauty, all of them, it's unbelievable... maybe except the fat ones |
| 18:25.02 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:25.11 | Taintedwisp | hey fat bitches need love too, just not from me |
| 18:25.49 | Taintedwisp | Oh I know your from another country so it would be hard for you to tell... |
| 18:25.57 | Taintedwisp | You do realize that I am kidding mostly right? |
| 18:26.30 | Taintedwisp | The only time I actually talk seriously is when I am helping someone else if I am on the computer |
| 18:26.32 | Zolden | this is Ukrain: http://l-pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/0102b4c6.jpg |
| 18:26.59 | Zolden | I'm kidding most of time also, sure I understand |
| 18:27.31 | Taintedwisp | kk :P |
| 18:27.52 | Taintedwisp | Just dont want some Russian guy getting off the internet thinking... WTF all white people hate black people |
| 18:28.08 | Taintedwisp | < Believes that given the right chance, every race can be skum |
| 18:28.18 | Taintedwisp | waiiit... vm haha |
| 18:28.20 | Taintedwisp | I worded that wrong |
| 18:28.21 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 18:28.32 | Taintedwisp | "Wtf all americans hate blacks " |
| 18:28.33 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 18:29.10 | Zolden | :) |
| 18:29.27 | Zolden | we all were blacks many generations ago |
| 18:29.39 | Zolden | humanity originates from africa |
| 18:29.45 | Taintedwisp | I call bullshit :P |
| 18:29.59 | Zolden | yeah, yeah, you don't believe obvious things like evolution |
| 18:30.02 | Taintedwisp | actually according to science, Whites and blacks are different |
| 18:30.40 | Taintedwisp | Whites have neanderthal blood as well as Australopithecus. |
| 18:30.40 | Zolden | yeah, about 2% of genome is the difference, while 4% is the difference between us and best of the monkeys |
| 18:30.41 | Monkalizer | eeh no or yes... but the variations are greater within skin color populations than between |
| 18:31.00 | Tolkfan | this reminds me of that True Romance scene... |
| 18:31.01 | Taintedwisp | whereas blacks dont have the neanderthal |
| 18:31.04 | Monkalizer | important 2% |
| 18:31.10 | Zolden | Monkalizer: yeahm it looks so |
| 18:31.17 | Taintedwisp | 2% greater? or worse ? |
| 18:31.18 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 18:31.31 | Tolkfan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_svnsF5OLbI |
| 18:32.06 | Zolden | neanderthals definitely nailde some chicks of our kind |
| 18:32.07 | Monkalizer | considering all the trouble we are causing I would say for the worse |
| 18:32.09 | Taintedwisp | Thats the thing I dont like about Evolution though... If evolution is correct and we evolved from blacks, that means we are superior.... |
| 18:32.25 | Monkalizer | naw |
| 18:32.48 | Monkalizer | thats the thing. Its just an adaptation to light. The rest is the same |
| 18:33.01 | Taintedwisp | 2% is alot more then just adaption to light |
| 18:33.10 | Taintedwisp | there are also several of our medications that dont work on black people too |
| 18:33.18 | Monkalizer | if you think lighter skin color is superior then sure - whites are superior. But the rest is culture and habits |
| 18:33.27 | Monkalizer | poverty and things like that |
| 18:33.47 | Taintedwisp | I dont think whites are superior, i think each race is fine tuned with the gaming concept imperfect balance :P |
| 18:34.02 | Taintedwisp | Blacks are stronger, asians smarter, Whites are the middle man |
| 18:34.14 | Monkalizer | my claim is that there are no races, but very small genetical variations that does not really matter |
| 18:34.38 | Monkalizer | american blacks are stronger because they were selected as slaves for their strength |
| 18:34.41 | Taintedwisp | 2% is a lot, |
| 18:35.22 | Taintedwisp | Thats bogus actually :P Blacks get all the credit, but there were white slaves, too, And alot of those slaves were indentured servents, or people who sell themselves to pay back their debts. |
| 18:35.23 | Zolden | maybe not 2 - less or more, scientists use different methods with different results |
| 18:35.34 | Taintedwisp | I'm not saying it was right |
| 18:35.51 | Taintedwisp | im just saying that Its changed up when its talked about :P |
| 18:35.55 | Taintedwisp | I |
| 18:36.36 | Taintedwisp | American blacks arent stronger :P Strength isnt a genetic trait, if I build muscle every day, then my kids arnt going to be OP beast |
| 18:36.50 | Zolden | I don't like to discuss those things seriously, it's jsut a matter of trolling |
| 18:36.54 | Monkalizer | hm... i dont know if this is a good topic to discuss here. Thats why I marked on your language Zolden... people come here to have fun and discuss mapping, not genetics |
| 18:37.06 | Taintedwisp | yeah same here, I try to keep it respectful though :p |
| 18:37.13 | Zolden | Monkalizer: yeah |
| 18:37.26 | Zolden | hitler wouldn't approve this |
| 18:37.34 | Taintedwisp | WELL THEN... How about those red sox? |
| 18:37.53 | Taintedwisp | lol hitler was the biggest hypocrit ever.... |
| 18:38.17 | Taintedwisp | Blond hair, blue eyes is SUPERIOR... hes chillin with brown hair brown eyes... |
| 18:38.27 | Zolden | and has a cool stache |
| 18:38.50 | Taintedwisp | Not really.. it looks like he was licking some guys ass and thats what was left over on his upper lip |
| 18:39.17 | Zolden | :) |
| 18:39.57 | Zolden | I must go jogging, to avoid fatassiation |
| 18:42.43 | Monkalizer | gl hf |
| 18:50.00 | Taintedwisp | \:P |
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| 19:17.10 | Bounty | If you use the event "Unit Enters range of Point" with a pre placed point in the map but later during the course of the game you use the "Move Point" action... does it still register the event? |
| 19:19.15 | Bounty | lol wow |
| 19:19.16 | Bounty | what a joke |
| 19:19.30 | Bounty | what the fuck is the point of the "Move Point" action if after you move it you cant even use it anymore |
| 19:20.00 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 19:20.49 | Bounty | this shit just set me back like 8 hours |
| 19:20.54 | Bounty | can anyone explain this to me |
| 19:20.55 | Bounty | because this makes absolutely no sense |
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| 19:23.46 | Monkalizer | it might be like the move unit command: it actually removes the unit and creates an exact replica somewhere else. But the reference is changed |
| 19:24.06 | Monkalizer | the reference that you cant see :) |
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| 19:26.28 | Monkalizer | Bounty: just bumping my answer |
| 19:26.45 | Bounty | That seems kind of stupid |
| 19:26.48 | Bounty | for Points |
| 19:26.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:27.35 | Monkalizer | perhaps a while loop with a check in it would work better? |
| 19:28.31 | Bounty | i have enough loops |
| 19:28.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:28.46 | tordy | bountiful bounty |
| 19:31.03 | Bounty | Its wierd because it works with units AND regions |
| 19:31.05 | Bounty | but not points |
| 19:31.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:31.08 | Bounty | so silly |
| 19:34.16 | Monkalizer | what if you use a variable as a middle-man |
| 19:34.16 | Monkalizer | instead of refering to the point object directly |
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| 19:34.18 | DeadZergling | what are you two talking about monk? |
| 19:34.18 | Monkalizer | then perhaps the reference would update before each check, so that the old reference would be over-written at each check |
| 19:34.18 | Monkalizer | points |
| 19:34.27 | DeadZergling | score or terrain points? |
| 19:34.55 | Monkalizer | Bounty has a point on his map. He has a trigger that check unitInRangeOfPoint. But when he uses a setPoint function the reference is no longer working |
| 19:34.58 | Monkalizer | terrain |
| 19:35.20 | DeadZergling | hrrrm, so he moves the point, then it breaks? |
| 19:35.51 | Monkalizer | yeah, and I think its because a new point is created, with a different memory-reference, so the trigger no longer works |
| 19:35.58 | G0A | Hmm if I do a tint color actor message under x time does it mean game time or real time? |
| 19:36.09 | DeadZergling | probably game time goa |
| 19:36.10 | Monkalizer | but i'm no expert on Bountys problems :) |
| 19:36.22 | Ahli | seems likely monk |
| 19:36.41 | Bounty | My point is |
| 19:36.42 | DeadZergling | hard to say w/o seeing the code |
| 19:36.50 | Bounty | What is the purpose of having move point if its useless |
| 19:36.52 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:36.55 | DeadZergling | not sure if it is moving the point or creating a new one |
| 19:37.06 | Ahli | set variable for stupids :S |
| 19:37.19 | Bounty | Move Unit and Move Region all retain the same object |
| 19:37.20 | Bounty | i shouldnt need a variable |
| 19:37.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:37.39 | Ahli | I agree. make a forum post or something about it |
| 19:38.00 | Ahli | dele is on vacation, so the other ones might not ever visit the irc |
| 19:39.00 | DeadZergling | Oh so monk, I found some code that wasn't working while I was changing from Vigicimal to TreOctagicimal, regardless of base. So was able to optimize it further, make the bank more confusing, and fix bad code. |
| 19:39.14 | Dustin|Work | Bounty |
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| 19:39.26 | Dustin|Work | That doesn't make sense, I used a moved point just fine |
| 19:39.37 | Bounty | and it still picked up? |
| 19:39.42 | Bounty | i guess its just Jesus hating me |
| 19:39.44 | Dustin|Work | I had a point follow my mouse and I used the point location to fire shit |
| 19:39.51 | tordy | who's goin to jail now? |
| 19:40.09 | Bounty | btw Dustin |
| 19:40.09 | Bounty | the second map is done :) |
| 19:40.14 | Dustin|Work | Good deal :D |
| 19:40.40 | mille25 | bounty |
| 19:40.49 | DeadZergling | how good was that on updates dustin, I tried something similar, but it would fire at the wrong places if you moved your mouse too fast. |
| 19:41.08 | mille25 | the reason why it doesnt work is properly because the event uses the point coords in the moment of initialization of the event |
| 19:41.15 | Dustin|Work | Eh, it was ok, |
| 19:41.17 | Taintedwisp | Hmm |
| 19:41.18 | mille25 | and doesnt really use the point |
| 19:41.22 | mille25 | but you can fix this |
| 19:41.23 | Taintedwisp | Imma re-retexture my Infestor :P |
| 19:41.27 | Dustin|Work | I basically did it to circumvent some cliff issues |
| 19:41.29 | Bounty | yah but what im saying is |
| 19:41.31 | mille25 | by re-adding the event to the trigger after moving the point. |
| 19:41.32 | Bounty | REGIONS |
| 19:41.33 | Bounty | and Units |
| 19:41.34 | Dustin|Work | Cause I could set the point lheight |
| 19:41.35 | Bounty | when moved |
| 19:41.37 | Bounty | both pick up |
| 19:41.41 | Bounty | why dont points? |
| 19:41.43 | Bounty | i know how to fix it |
| 19:41.44 | Dustin|Work | They do |
| 19:41.47 | Bounty | im just saying i shouldnt have to |
| 19:41.58 | mille25 | might be the way it works internally. |
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| 19:42.07 | Taintedwisp | Hey anyone here with experience retexturing? |
| 19:42.19 | mille25 | regions and units probably use real references |
| 19:42.21 | mille25 | why the points dont |
| 19:42.25 | mille25 | *while |
| 19:42.36 | Ahli | mill25. don't triggers have a max event count? wouldn't you just add a ton of events to one thing? |
| 19:42.58 | Bounty | btw milee |
| 19:43.09 | Bounty | do u know any artists who can do cartoon styles? |
| 19:43.14 | Ahli | I would guess that it's terrible performance wise |
| 19:43.15 | Bounty | :) |
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| 19:43.37 | mille25 | Ahli: depends how often it happens |
| 19:43.44 | mille25 | sadly there is no way to remove events from triggers |
| 19:43.46 | mille25 | you can just add them |
| 19:43.50 | Ahli | I would use data with a dummy unit instead of a point and behaviors that do what you need |
| 19:43.53 | mille25 | so if it happens often you should avoid adding events. |
| 19:45.05 | Ahli | yes. The events still need to be checked and that adds to the performance costs whenever all of these are checked... (and I guess with distances, it's checked a lot of times) |
| 19:45.05 | Bounty | You wanna test the new map today Dustin? :) |
| 19:45.32 | mille25 | Ahli: yes, in general thats true. if possible avoid adding events to triggers. |
| 19:45.57 | mille25 | Bounty: no sorry. |
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| 19:46.10 | Dustin|Work | Sure! |
| 19:46.34 | Dustin|Work | It's the Wife's bday so later Ill be out drinking, but Ill have some time tonight to stomp somenoobs |
| 19:47.25 | Taintedwisp | Has anyone here ever created something team colored? |
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| 19:49.34 | Bounty | im never gonna find an artist lol |
| 19:49.36 | Bounty | im so screwed |
| 19:49.56 | Ahli | never gonna give you up. never gonna let you down.... |
| 19:50.03 | mille25 | sadly artists are rare atm :( |
| 19:50.09 | mille25 | maybe hots + art tools will change that |
| 19:50.36 | Bounty | no i literally need an artist to draw something lol |
| 19:50.52 | Bounty | it would be easy to draw though nothing detailed |
| 19:51.03 | mille25 | loading screen? |
| 19:51.07 | Scorp_ | I can draw stick men if that's good enough |
| 19:51.11 | DeadZergling | hey mille, so about events, wondering how you get around needing them for effect/region/timer checks |
| 19:51.11 | Monkalizer | happy birthday Dustins wife! |
| 19:51.30 | Monkalizer | Bounty: what do you want? |
| 19:51.39 | Bounty | I need the loading screen and a Sad + Happy cartoonie Gnolls and Troll |
| 19:51.47 | Monkalizer | i have some limited skills |
| 19:51.54 | Dustin|Work | It's her 21st, soooo expect me to be drunk alot lol |
| 19:52.32 | Bounty | Have you ever heard of Fat Princess Monkalizer? |
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| 19:52.46 | DeadZergling_ | webchat decided to disconnect me, did mille reply yet? |
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| 19:52.57 | Triceron_ | yeah it disconencted lots |
| 19:52.57 | Bounty | Have you ever heard of Fat Princess Monkalizer? |
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| 19:53.04 | mille25_ | DeadZergling: for sure i use events, im just saying that dynamically adding events to triggers can get dangerous. |
| 19:53.04 | Monkalizer_ | yes |
| 19:53.11 | Bounty | i need that art style |
| 19:53.18 | Bounty | but with trolls and gnolls |
| 19:53.20 | Bounty | from WoW |
| 19:53.49 | DeadZergling_ | couldn't you just bribe a few to huddle for a screenshot? |
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| 19:54.34 | DeadZergling_ | just wondering, as my event list is getting pretty long |
| 19:54.51 | Monkalizer_ | so some kind of loading screen with these things... hm. I can put it together, but you will have to color it yourself. I'l make a transparent painting in gimp |
| 19:55.35 | Bounty | its ok monka |
| 19:55.38 | Bounty | ill find someone |
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| 19:56.30 | Dustin|Work | wow |
| 19:56.38 | Dustin|Work | Alot of 245 ping timeouts |
| 19:56.46 | Bounty | I think something is happening |
| 19:56.47 | Taintedwisp | do you love me dustin? |
| 19:56.51 | Bounty | im lagging like crazy on bnet to |
| 19:56.52 | Zolden | we've prepared |
| 19:56.56 | Bounty | like A LOt |
| 19:57.17 | Taintedwisp | Hey Bounty... |
| 19:57.21 | Dustin|Work | As much as 1 man can anonymously love another man over digital pixels |
| 19:57.22 | Taintedwisp | Remake Paperboy in starcraft!!! |
| 19:57.23 | Taintedwisp | gogogog |
| 19:57.26 | DeadZergling_ | must be a lot of HQ high bandwidth porn that just became available |
| 19:57.39 | DeadZergling_ | causing the entire internet to lag |
| 19:57.40 | mille25_ | DeadZergling_: if you want to optimize, start with terrain (particles, lights etc are very dangerous) also use less doodads. for triggers use the trigger debug window to analyse which triggers cause the biggest overhead and then optimize those per hand. also make sure to use the actor debugger to search for potential actor leaks. |
| 19:58.17 | mille25_ | ingame type "ActorInfoDisplay" |
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| 19:58.41 | Bounty | wanna see the new map Dustin? |
| 19:59.35 | Dustin|Work | Yes |
| 20:00.15 | Bounty | PM me on bnet |
| 20:02.17 | Bounty | Dustin, go go |
| 20:02.18 | DeadZergling_ | not sure what you mean by particles Mille |
| 20:02.34 | DeadZergling_ | I discovered that a bunch of cool lights straight through fences was a BAD idea though, lol |
| 20:04.11 | Monkalizer_ | its probably the blizzard wizard pressing his lag button again |
| 20:04.20 | mille25_ | if you want to know more about terrain optimizing you should talk to ryan, he might be able to provide more details |
| 20:04.22 | Dustin|Work | Im at work |
| 20:04.27 | Dustin|Work | I thought you meant a ss:P |
| 20:04.37 | Monkalizer_ | capping the fun... you know, they dont want the community to explode |
| 20:04.42 | mille25_ | im just the trigger guy :D |
| 20:04.59 | mille25_ | you can do alot of stuff though, like hiding terrain cells that cant be seen |
| 20:05.00 | mille25_ | etc |
| 20:05.40 | DeadZergling_ | oh, can actually hide them? |
| 20:05.47 | DeadZergling_ | I was just using mass amounts of vision blockers, lol |
| 20:06.25 | mille25_ | my adive for terraining is to constantly monitor fps after each change, so you can react if the fps suddenly drop after a working session since you know what you have changed. however, if you try to figure out what causes lag after all terrain is done it gets harder to figure out what exactly is the problem. |
| 20:06.46 | mille25_ | yes you can hide them |
| 20:06.51 | mille25_ | in the terrain editor |
| 20:09.16 | Taintedwisp | FOR ONCE, A re-texture I made is Badass |
| 20:09.21 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/XIrgP.jpg |
| 20:10.04 | Taintedwisp | what you think bounty? |
| 20:10.06 | Zolden | fatties? |
| 20:10.37 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 20:10.47 | Dustin|Work | I dont know about BADASS, but it's cool! |
| 20:10.56 | Taintedwisp | i like it: |
| 20:10.58 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:11.02 | Taintedwisp | reminds me of Spiders haha |
| 20:11.04 | Dustin|Work | They look like Racing Infestors |
| 20:11.04 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 20:11.06 | Exaken | That is indeed cool |
| 20:11.37 | Zolden | hey Triceron, saw my new model? http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/33/30/crystal_turret.jpg do you think it's cool or it's just a cheap simple crap? |
| 20:12.30 | Taintedwisp | I think I may create a texture pack :P |
| 20:12.46 | Taintedwisp | i have a ton of Re-textures :P |
| 20:13.15 | DeadZergling_ | the pirates of never never land won't have a chance TW |
| 20:13.24 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 20:13.31 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 20:13.36 | Zolden | retexturee Kerrigan, to make her boobs look naked |
| 20:13.39 | Dustin|Work | It does look like that color paste shit |
| 20:13.43 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:13.47 | Dustin|Work | BANGARANG! |
| 20:13.58 | Dustin|Work | needs to be an infestor ability |
| 20:14.09 | Dustin|Work | And he throws a baneling that spins like a boomerang |
| 20:14.17 | Dustin|Work | and blows up if it hits shit |
| 20:14.33 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 20:14.40 | Dustin|Work | Someone write this shit down, it's gold! |
| 20:14.44 | Taintedwisp | yo Vailreth what do you think? |
| 20:15.52 | Vailreth | cool |
| 20:16.08 | TheSkunk__ | back |
| 20:16.18 | Dustin|Work | Sup Skunk |
| 20:16.35 | TheSkunk__ | took a walk, pretty nice out |
| 20:16.51 | Dustin|Work | I walked to get some lunch from work today, I was sweating and freezing at the same time |
| 20:16.56 | Dustin|Work | Fucking weird weather here |
| 20:17.00 | Vailreth | the lines could accentuate the shapes of the model a little more though instead of being like racing stripes i sorta want to see them race down the terrain |
| 20:17.03 | Taintedwisp | Skunk http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain053.jpg :P bount to do some more retexturing :P |
| 20:18.08 | TheSkunk__ | rainbow zeebra infesters |
| 20:18.41 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 20:23.11 | DeadZergling_ | think you'd like getting to use the infestors t hou gh dustin |
| 20:23.23 | DeadZergling_ | have to go through an intense skateboarding competition |
| 20:23.29 | DeadZergling_ | in order to use them |
| 20:23.34 | Dustin|Work | Fuck ya :D |
| 20:23.55 | Dustin|Work | I just imagined like that Bulldog that skate, but a huge infestor |
| 20:23.56 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 20:24.01 | Dustin|Work | skates |
| 20:33.09 | Taintedwisp | I also just re-retextured swann |
| 20:40.56 | Monkalizer_ | todays UI update! its slowly getting somewhere; http://monkalizer.blogspot.se/2012/11/new-outline-of-hercmerc-ui.html |
| 20:45.31 | Dustin|Work | Looking better! |
| 20:45.50 | Dustin|Work | That top tab bothers me though |
| 20:45.59 | Monkalizer_ | how so |
| 20:46.29 | Bommes | Looks really good |
| 20:46.36 | Bommes | the backgrounds are way too distracting though in my opinion |
| 20:46.37 | DeadZergling_ | yea, top tab bothered me too the other day |
| 20:46.47 | Dustin|Work | You see that white pixel between the top tab and main box |
| 20:46.49 | Bommes | and don't fit very well together imo |
| 20:47.38 | Bommes | The distraction thing isn't that much of an issue though if the foreground always is full of buttons and has less free space |
| 20:48.41 | Monkalizer_ | hm, yeah so perhaps tune down the patterns a little bit, especially the hex one. And then perhaps fix the little pixel thingy. The top tab is currently the "selected" tab, which is why it is supposed to blend in with the panel |
| 20:49.10 | Monkalizer_ | there is going to be some text in the info-box to the right |
| 20:49.34 | Bommes | yeah tuning down the patterns seems right |
| 20:50.46 | DeadZergling_ | ditched the 1970s monitors I see |
| 20:51.00 | Monkalizer_ | yep :) added a cleaner button! |
| 20:51.23 | Monkalizer_ | I might rough it up later or change its border thickness... but its alraight for now |
| 20:51.29 | Monkalizer_ | no 70s here >:( |
| 21:04.19 | Taintedwisp | I removed the attachment |
| 21:04.20 | Taintedwisp | http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain055.jpg |
| 21:05.04 | DeadZergling_ | Bangarang TW |
| 21:05.43 | Dustin|Work | ^ |
| 21:05.53 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:09.21 | Monkalizer_ | nice stuff! |
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| 21:28.11 | Cheekio | those are hilarious |
| 21:28.17 | Cheekio | I dig the reskins |
| 21:34.06 | Monkalizer_ | http://monkalizer.blogspot.se/2012/11/new-outline-of-hercmerc-ui.html here we go again :) |
| 21:35.27 | Monkalizer_ | argh: why Bommes did you have to comment on the mis-fitting patterns! now I see it too :( I have to let go of one of them |
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| 21:53.42 | Monkalizer | hm... you can actually use the texture tilesets as background for you dialogs :P |
| 21:57.30 | Dustin|Work | Monk |
| 21:57.34 | Dustin|Work | that looks 100000000x better |
| 21:57.46 | Monkalizer | :) |
| 21:58.09 | Dustin|Work | Funny how 1 pixel can throw a wrench in shit lol |
| 21:58.19 | Monkalizer | yep |
| 21:58.43 | Monkalizer | there is a "thingy" on the bottom of the tab though |
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| 22:04.05 | Dryeyece | Hey guys I just noticed something, is this IRC server owned by J.K. Rowling? |
| 22:04.39 | Exaken|2 | The freenode server? |
| 22:04.47 | Dryeyece | this one |
| 22:05.12 | Dustin|Work | I dont think so :P |
| 22:05.21 | Dryeyece | when you are logging it it says welcome to Rowling.freenose.net |
| 22:05.38 | Exaken | I'm on adams.freenode.net |
| 22:05.42 | Dryeyece | Then theres a short BIO on the author |
| 22:06.11 | Dryeyece | Maybe she just owns the one I am using then |
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| 22:07.26 | Dustin|Work | rowling.freenode is a server on the freenode cluster |
| 22:07.31 | Monkalizer | perhaps she is a sponsor |
| 22:07.54 | Dryeyece | Maybe I dunno it doesn't specify |
| 22:07.57 | Dustin|Work | IRC servers are usually just a bunch of different boxes point to the main server |
| 22:08.08 | Dustin|Work | So people own different servers on the cluster |
| 22:08.08 | Dryeyece | Hey any of you use Arm Magazine in conjunction with Calldown effects before? |
| 22:08.38 | Dustin|Work | Never even messed with the magazine stuff |
| 22:08.54 | Dustin|Work | Seemed convuluted and confusing, so I was like fuck it |
| 22:09.12 | Dryeyece | Mine is wokring fine but I am using it to control my techy Heroes Exploding Barrles (aka Mines) |
| 22:09.26 | DeadZergling_ | yes, why they put words next to scantily/not clad women in magazines always confused me too |
| 22:09.29 | Monkalizer | i have that relationship to the entire data part ^^ |
| 22:10.01 | Dustin|Work | The magazine ability ,is it just a normal ability but with charges? |
| 22:10.26 | Dryeyece | well I use a calldown to place the ammo units (exploding barrels) but they do not get plaed on the exact spot I chose, they get placed 0.25 units closer the the caster than the actual chosen point to call them down |
| 22:10.38 | Dryeyece | No a magazine ability is much more |
| 22:10.43 | Dustin|Work | Interesting |
| 22:10.58 | Dryeyece | its annoying as all hell lol |
| 22:11.22 | Dryeyece | because I got this spiffy placement model and stuff to use so you know where your mine will be etc... but he don't put the damn thing on the placement model lol |
| 22:11.54 | Dustin|Work | lol that makes no sense, is the placement model using the same location as the magazine ability? |
| 22:12.07 | Ahli | footprint? |
| 22:12.09 | Dryeyece | btw arm magazines are the built in way to have pets that follow you, attack only your target, etc, as well as a method of having Ammunition for a weapon or sorts |
| 22:12.20 | Dryeyece | yeah mine has a footprint but only a placement one |
| 22:12.20 | Dustin|Work | Hmmm |
| 22:12.41 | Ahli | placement makes it use the terrain tile grid |
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| 22:15.11 | Dryeyece | zaye |
| 22:15.19 | Dryeyece | aye* and that part works just fine |
| 22:15.29 | Dryeyece | even the placement model snaps to the grid |
| 22:15.41 | Dryeyece | so it isnt the placement footprint causing it to be called down in the slightly wrong spot |
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| 22:17.08 | Dryeyece | I am not sure but I don't think they meant calldown for what i am doing with it, I think they meant it just for nukes TBH |
| 22:17.28 | Dryeyece | i.e arm magazines that destry their ammo on use |
| 22:18.43 | DeadZergling_ | lol, sure could feel confident about a teacher like this one.... http://cheezburger.com/6761528832 |
| 22:19.12 | Dryeyece | it's too bad the Info Manage "Ignore" flag ignores the units created so completely that it no longer counts them as being created at the unit that created them making requirements used to limit the number of ammo units armed useless |
| 22:19.53 | Dryeyece | LMFAO Mr Perv |
| 22:20.30 | DeadZergling_ | his picture goes so badly w/ it too |
| 22:21.30 | Monkalizer | argh |
| 22:21.38 | Monkalizer | only thing i have to say about that |
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| 22:22.24 | Dryeyece_ | I hate my internet |
| 22:22.48 | Dryeyece_ | I was saying all that guy needs is a bittle of lube and a Handi-Cam |
| 22:26.48 | Dustin|Work | Im ready to go home |
| 22:26.50 | Dustin|Work | FUckin work |
| 22:28.51 | Monkalizer | heh |
| 22:30.02 | Monkalizer | when you are working with dialogs - is it better to (A) destroy it after a session and recreate it, (B) use the same dialog and clean/repopulate it all the time, or use different dialogs that you hide and show... ? |
| 22:30.19 | Monkalizer | hide/show tactic = (C) |
| 22:30.24 | A1win | whatever makes the most sense |
| 22:30.47 | A1win | *whichever way |
| 22:30.50 | Monkalizer | I was thinking about performance... |
| 22:31.09 | A1win | no difference unless you do like tons of changes during one game frame |
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| 22:32.42 | A1win | just use different dialogs for different things, doesn't make any sense to repopulate a dialog for a completely different purpose |
| 22:33.24 | A1win | destroy/recreate doesn't make much sense either, just hide them while you don't use them if you need them later |
| 22:34.11 | Monkalizer | ok |
| 22:37.12 | A1win | when you're thinking about performance with triggers, just make sure that none of your triggers take too much time during one game frame (0.0625 sec) and everything else is irrelevant because then it's running as fast as is needed |
| 22:38.02 | Monkalizer | yeah... I'm just thinking about how to implement all call/set/edit/manipulate functions for the new UI I have been bumping here |
| 22:39.03 | Monkalizer | I think I will go with a system where I have the background being one dialog, and then each cluster of tabs to be one dialog. Then I can attach stuff to that smaller dialog and hide/show all of it in one simple function call |
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| 22:39.44 | A1win | you can also use frames inside dialogs, which work like containers |
| 22:39.46 | Dustin|Work | Mindy |
| 22:39.48 | A1win | kinda like a dialog inside a dialog |
| 22:40.06 | Dustin|Work | I miss your wc3 project :( |
| 22:41.14 | Monkalizer | Do you mean a pane? |
| 22:41.44 | MindWorX | Dustin|Work, RtC? |
| 22:41.50 | Dustin|Work | yess |
| 22:42.10 | Dustin|Work | Get to working on a similiar project for sc2 plx :D |
| 22:42.34 | MindWorX | Hehe |
| 22:42.39 | MindWorX | It's a lot of work. |
| 22:42.52 | MindWorX | I have most of the legwork ready for a NewGen like project. |
| 22:42.54 | Dustin|Work | Oh Im sure :) |
| 22:42.59 | Dustin|Work | Oh nice |
| 22:43.02 | MindWorX | Just waiting for a useful preprocessor akin vJass. |
| 22:43.21 | Dustin|Work | Yeah all the preprocs I heard of awhile back I havent of in a bit |
| 22:43.23 | MindWorX | Andromeda was promising, but mess as ek |
| 22:43.56 | Dustin|Work | Although I gotta say that galaxy is better off stock than jass was lol |
| 22:44.18 | MindWorX | True |
| 22:44.23 | MindWorX | But OOP would be lovely. |
| 22:44.34 | Dustin|Work | Yes, yes it would |
| 22:44.45 | MindWorX | Along with extension methods from C#, and we get stuff like unit.X = 10; unit.Y = 10; |
| 22:44.53 | MindWorX | Rather than methods all over. |
| 22:45.12 | MindWorX | Anyways, I gotta head off. <3 |
| 22:46.17 | Dustin|Work | Later bud! was good talking to ya |
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| 22:54.56 | Bounty | I love how after i get newsed now i cant find a single tester |
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| 23:10.11 | Bommes | Monkalizer: Yeah I mean the combination doesn't look completely off but you should replace the stripy thing in my opinion |
| 23:12.10 | Bommes | the overall design is really great |
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| 23:32.47 | Saeris1 | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/7849190/BWC_%E2%80%93_The_Gosu_Trophy-11_13_2012 |
| 23:33.37 | Saeris1 | wrong chat, derp |
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| 23:45.54 | Bounty | LF playtesters for my upcomming game based on the hit PS3 game Fat Princces. It is called Gnolls VS Trolls". At the moment it features 5 classes and 2 playable maps. |
| 23:49.32 | DeadZergling_ | sounds like a great way to avoid thinking about my own project awhile, pity about the whole work thing, lol |
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| 23:52.21 | Bounty | DUSTIN |
| 23:52.22 | Bounty | test? :) |
| 23:52.32 | Bommes | Bounty: Did you see an uprise in Ling Ling Rocket players? |
| 23:52.39 | Bounty | nope |
| 23:52.45 | Bounty | i saw an uprise in negative reviews though |
| 23:52.45 | Bommes | I think Totalbiscuit mentioned it in one of the latest TGS Podcasts |
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| 23:52.55 | Bommes | or something iirc |
| 23:52.57 | Bounty | what? lol |
| 23:52.57 | Bommes | hmm |
| 23:52.59 | Bommes | sad |
| 23:53.07 | Bounty | link? |
| 23:53.12 | Bommes | yeah he actually did :D |
| 23:53.21 | Bommes | sec |
| 23:53.34 | Taintedwisp | what? |
| 23:53.47 | Taintedwisp | still liking... http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain055.jpg :P |
| 23:54.05 | Bommes | I think it might be this episode http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aITJbUPesh0&feature=channel&list=UL |
| 23:54.08 | Bommes | or the next one, 32 |
| 23:54.30 | Taintedwisp | oh didnt sixens newest thing come out |
| 23:54.42 | Taintedwisp | his newest video |
| 23:54.54 | Taintedwisp | yo sixen, did you get that video done today |
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| 23:57.35 | Taintedwisp | Hey i have a question |
| 23:57.56 | Taintedwisp | If I have multiple WoW accounts on 1 Battle.net account can 2 people sign in at the same time? on the asme Bnet account |
| 23:58.47 | Vailreth | i dont think so |
| 23:58.57 | Taintedwisp | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7006890697 |
| 23:59.01 | Taintedwisp | according to taht :P |
| 23:59.10 | Taintedwisp | If so then I can sign into both my beta accounts at once |
| 23:59.15 | Taintedwisp | allowing me to play with my lil borther |
| 23:59.17 | Taintedwisp | brother* |
| 23:59.48 | Bommes | Bounty: Oh not its this one |
| 23:59.49 | Bommes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1B-HQq3lEY&feature=channel&list=UL |
| 23:59.57 | Bommes | at about 46 minutes |
