| 00:01.41 | duckies | aaw bounty is too busy to answer :'( |
| 00:03.12 | Zolden | he's testing his map |
| 00:05.16 | Thetubbygoat | lets say i copy the Move ability |
| 00:05.20 | Thetubbygoat | how do I change the actual code? |
| 00:06.41 | Zolden | what do you want to change? |
| 00:06.49 | Thetubbygoat | what it does |
| 00:07.07 | Thetubbygoat | i want to redirect it to the angle the user points + 5 |
| 00:07.47 | Zolden | so, the unit moves not at the point player clicked, but 5 degrees aside fomr it? |
| 00:09.09 | Thetubbygoat | same degree, but 50 farther |
| 00:09.42 | A1win | you can't change the "code" of an ability |
| 00:09.49 | A1win | only the values that are exposed in the data editor |
| 00:10.20 | Thetubbygoat | dang |
| 00:10.30 | Zolden | jsut use triggers |
| 00:10.41 | Thetubbygoat | that's what i tried but it wouldnt work ;-; |
| 00:10.52 | Thetubbygoat | i would have to use a while loop with a timer to do it every like .1 game sec |
| 00:10.55 | Thetubbygoat | thats badddd code |
| 00:11.01 | Zolden | event -> move order issued |
| 00:11.20 | Zolden | create a trigger which sould write a message on move-click |
| 00:11.23 | Zolden | it's easy |
| 00:11.48 | Zolden | and then, after you sure, that you use the right event, you will calculate the point and redirect the unit |
| 00:12.32 | Thetubbygoat | yeah tahts what i did |
| 00:12.41 | A1win | what are you trying to do exactly |
| 00:12.44 | Thetubbygoat | does jade still hang around here sometimes? |
| 00:12.53 | Thetubbygoat | recreate the main mechanic of maze of sliding bunnies |
| 00:13.08 | A1win | no, I mean what exactly |
| 00:13.32 | A1win | you told use you want it to do +5 degrees to the point, why would you need a while loop for that? |
| 00:13.52 | A1win | so either you're trying to do it wrong or you didn't explain what *exactly* you want |
| 00:13.52 | Thetubbygoat | ok so what the mechanic does |
| 00:14.02 | Thetubbygoat | is that whenever a unit is in a region |
| 00:14.08 | Thetubbygoat | that speicific unit cannot stop |
| 00:14.11 | Thetubbygoat | yet you can still turn it |
| 00:14.30 | Thetubbygoat | i got really close to getting it to work |
| 00:14.31 | A1win | I wouldn't use a move ability at all, then |
| 00:14.39 | Thetubbygoat | but every time i tried to move behind |
| 00:14.45 | Thetubbygoat | it would do it too fast |
| 00:14.56 | Thetubbygoat | so my unit would keep moving but just at a slightly different angle |
| 00:15.01 | Thetubbygoat | not directly behind |
| 00:15.47 | A1win | I would have the unit be constantly assigned a new move order by a loop, and just make a dummy ability that you can use to change the angle it moves towards |
| 00:16.03 | Thetubbygoat | when you say constantly |
| 00:16.06 | Thetubbygoat | what do you mean? |
| 00:16.16 | A1win | every 0.0625 seconds |
| 00:16.22 | Thetubbygoat | ok |
| 00:16.46 | A1win | it might be "bad code", but you can't always write perfect code with a script engine |
| 00:16.54 | Thetubbygoat | true |
| 00:17.08 | A1win | and it'll be good enough, since it'll work |
| 00:18.19 | A1win | you could store the move angle in a custom value for the unit |
| 00:19.13 | Thetubbygoat | and keep updating it/ |
| 00:19.15 | Thetubbygoat | ?* |
| 00:19.17 | A1win | yeah |
| 00:19.25 | A1win | well, when you use the dummy ability |
| 00:19.31 | A1win | you add or subtract from that angle |
| 00:19.44 | A1win | within limits of how much you want to be able to change it with one ability click |
| 00:20.24 | A1win | and add a short cooldown for the ability so that you can't change it by clicking repeatedly (or handle the cooldown with triggers if it feels awkward that the ability itself goes on cooldown) |
| 00:21.56 | A1win | you could make the ability click give it a "target angle" that's stored in another custom value |
| 00:22.00 | Thetubbygoat | hmm ok i did that and it wont let me turn my unit now |
| 00:22.08 | A1win | and then have the periodic trigger update the move angle towards the target angle |
| 00:22.20 | A1win | you need that dummy ability |
| 00:22.24 | A1win | to alter the angle |
| 00:22.38 | Thetubbygoat | how would i alter the angle/ |
| 00:22.47 | A1win | with triggers |
| 00:23.03 | Thetubbygoat | but angle of facing unit would work |
| 00:23.28 | A1win | nono, the angle you have stored for the unit towards which it's supposed to be moving |
| 00:23.52 | A1win | uff not sure how to explain this clearly ;p |
| 00:23.53 | Thetubbygoat | alright i guess this is the question i needed haha |
| 00:23.55 | DeadZergling | triggers would work, but couldn't that cause extra lag between commands? Kind of important in a game all about movement. |
| 00:24.11 | Thetubbygoat | how do i get the angle for where it's supposed to be moving? |
| 00:24.26 | A1win | from the point where you used the dummy ability at |
| 00:24.43 | A1win | DeadZergling, dunno but I don't see a way of doing this with data |
| 00:24.48 | A1win | but then again I'm not a data wizard |
| 00:27.36 | A1win | Thetubbygoat, 1) store the angle the unit is supposed to be moving in custom value 0 for that unit 2) a repeated loop tells the unit to move towards that angle every 0.0625 seconds 3) make an effect - target dummy ability with smart flag checked for the unit 4) make a trigger with event on using that ability, which sets the unit's custom value 1 to angle between the caster and the target point 6) make the periodic loop update the current move angle ... |
| 00:27.42 | A1win | ... (in custom value 0) towards the target move angle (in custom value 1) by a little bit every 0.0625 seconds |
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| 00:33.11 | A1win | so umm what DeadZergling was suggesting might work and would be easier |
| 00:33.30 | A1win | just a periodic behavior that creates an Issue Order effect to move the unit forward |
| 00:33.43 | A1win | and then you just alter its turn speed so that the user can't turn it too fast |
| 00:33.59 | A1win | Thetubbygoat, ^ |
| 00:34.18 | A1win | uff... I should get started with my project |
| 00:34.25 | DeadZergling | I was meaning to ask |
| 00:34.26 | A1win | or I end up realizing it's not interesting after all |
| 00:34.34 | DeadZergling | have you picked one yet a1? |
| 00:34.54 | A1win | I have an idea for a tug of war kind of map, quite different from the usual tug of wars though |
| 00:34.59 | TheSkunk__ | lol |
| 00:35.03 | A1win | I explained it earlier but I guess you weren't here |
| 00:35.16 | TheSkunk__ | Some guy just came to me and told me I owned him a 1v1 |
| 00:35.24 | TheSkunk__ | But I just got stuck on ladder "find match" |
| 00:35.29 | TheSkunk__ | so he can't invite me to lobby |
| 00:35.29 | Thetubbygoat | ah |
| 00:35.37 | TheSkunk__ | So I log off to fix it (no cancel button) |
| 00:35.41 | TheSkunk__ | and I can't log back on |
| 00:35.44 | Thetubbygoat | hmm |
| 00:35.45 | Thetubbygoat | right now |
| 00:35.48 | Thetubbygoat | i have it working perfectly |
| 00:35.48 | DeadZergling | yea tubbygoat, this system might work better to reduce lag between commands as well |
| 00:35.48 | TheSkunk__ | he probably thinks I did an epic 1s dodge |
| 00:35.55 | Thetubbygoat | if the user double clicks each time |
| 00:36.01 | Thetubbygoat | lol |
| 00:36.26 | Thetubbygoat | wait so the deadzergling way or the a1win way? |
| 00:36.27 | DeadZergling | it is really simple what im suggesting |
| 00:36.41 | A1win | Thetubbygoat, the trigger way is unnecessarily complicated if this data way works |
| 00:36.53 | DeadZergling | up to you, I think mine is simpler/would give the user quicker response time |
| 00:37.17 | A1win | and I think it can work, but you need to restrict turn speed on the unit |
| 00:37.21 | A1win | to not allow turning too fast |
| 00:37.40 | A1win | hmm except that |
| 00:37.57 | A1win | what if you give the new move order like instantly before it's about to give a move forward order |
| 00:38.00 | Thetubbygoat | k so what are you suggesting again deadzergling? |
| 00:38.02 | A1win | then it won't turn at all |
| 00:38.17 | Thetubbygoat | yes |
| 00:38.19 | Thetubbygoat | alwin |
| 00:38.23 | Thetubbygoat | thats the problem i have right now |
| 00:38.28 | Thetubbygoat | otherwise it will work 100% with triggers |
| 00:38.28 | DeadZergling | is a way to work around that too |
| 00:38.33 | DeadZergling | but let's play w/ the basics first |
| 00:38.49 | Thetubbygoat | double clicking to move solves that lol |
| 00:38.51 | A1win | Thetubbygoat, the trigger way has a bit longer response delay |
| 00:38.52 | DeadZergling | just have a behavior w/ a periodic create persistent effect every 0.0625 seconds |
| 00:39.08 | DeadZergling | the create persistent effect has a periodic offset of -1 y |
| 00:39.13 | Thetubbygoat | k ive never done any behavior programming yet |
| 00:39.15 | Thetubbygoat | so bare with me |
| 00:39.17 | DeadZergling | 1 period, duration 0 |
| 00:39.24 | A1win | it's not programming, just XML editing ;x |
| 00:39.29 | Thetubbygoat | same thing |
| 00:39.42 | DeadZergling | and the periodic effect should be issue order move |
| 00:39.47 | DeadZergling | to that offset |
| 00:39.47 | A1win | well I guess it's kind of programming since you can actually program with it but... well, usually it's not programming :P |
| 00:39.55 | Thetubbygoat | behavior type |
| 00:39.56 | Thetubbygoat | ? |
| 00:39.59 | DeadZergling | buff |
| 00:40.15 | Thetubbygoat | leave the rest of the stuff alone/ |
| 00:40.25 | DeadZergling | well, make sure period count is like -1 |
| 00:40.48 | DeadZergling | and period duration is 0 so it is as fast as possible (which will turn into .0625) |
| 00:40.58 | DeadZergling | you can't set periodic effect right now |
| 00:41.08 | Thetubbygoat | wait |
| 00:41.13 | Thetubbygoat | so i just created a new behavior of type buff |
| 00:41.13 | DeadZergling | since you haven't created the create persistent effect yet |
| 00:41.14 | Thetubbygoat | named it |
| 00:41.15 | Thetubbygoat | and now what |
| 00:41.24 | A1win | DeadZergling, so this map idea I have is like tug of war except the map is very wide, and players don't control which units to spawn or what the units do (for the most part), and the units are AI controlled... possibly zealots vs zealots and then some other units further in the game (because meleeing AI is easier than ranged :P) |
| 00:41.27 | DeadZergling | know what, i know a tutorial that explains t his very thing |
| 00:41.34 | DeadZergling | let me grab it for you |
| 00:41.49 | Thetubbygoat | ok |
| 00:41.56 | A1win | players have no controllable units, but just one hidden unit that has infinite range abilities (much like in craftcraft) |
| 00:42.15 | A1win | and they use those abilities to help their team's zealots to get to the enemy team's bases and do economic damage there |
| 00:42.17 | DeadZergling | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/17420-data-ai-simple-behaviors/ |
| 00:42.23 | DeadZergling | fire elemental |
| 00:42.33 | A1win | you research more abilities over time, and economic damage slows down the research speed |
| 00:42.55 | DeadZergling | i see |
| 00:43.12 | Cuiu | buuuuuut if players don't control unit spawn who does it then? |
| 00:43.22 | A1win | it's automatic |
| 00:43.42 | DeadZergling | see the parts marked 1, 2, and 3 at the top Thetubbygoat? |
| 00:43.46 | DeadZergling | those are the only 3 you need |
| 00:43.50 | A1win | players can possibly add some reinforcements with some abilities |
| 00:44.03 | Cuiu | and would be not kind of broken if player A gets the wweakest spawn and player B the strongest |
| 00:44.08 | DeadZergling | slightly altered of course |
| 00:44.16 | A1win | what do you mean by weakest and strongest spawn? |
| 00:44.34 | Thetubbygoat | ok |
| 00:44.51 | Cuiu | i don't know roach vs immoratal or something |
| 00:44.57 | A1win | it's a mirror match for the AI controlled units, just zealots running versus other zealots (then more units later) |
| 00:45.04 | DeadZergling | so for part 1 tubby |
| 00:45.13 | DeadZergling | just set the ability to move, instead of attack |
| 00:45.14 | A1win | and players cast abilities on them to alter the game state |
| 00:45.16 | DeadZergling | that is the only difference |
| 00:45.33 | A1win | so basically if players do nothing, it's simply zealots vs zealots and nothing actually happens except zealots die |
| 00:45.35 | Cuiu | aa key |
| 00:45.39 | DeadZergling | for part 2, just set the offset to -1, or -3 would be fine too probably |
| 00:46.02 | DeadZergling | for part 3, simply set the period to .0625 |
| 00:46.04 | Thetubbygoat | ive got class |
| 00:46.06 | Thetubbygoat | :/ |
| 00:46.11 | DeadZergling | no problem, save the link |
| 00:46.11 | Thetubbygoat | ill be back on tomorrow though |
| 00:46.14 | Thetubbygoat | or maybe even later tonight |
| 00:46.15 | DeadZergling | those first 3 parts |
| 00:46.16 | Cuiu | hmm |
| 00:46.16 | Thetubbygoat | ok |
| 00:46.18 | DeadZergling | are all you need man |
| 00:46.31 | Thetubbygoat | thanks guys |
| 00:46.33 | Thetubbygoat | for the help! |
| 00:46.45 | Cuiu | sounds weird |
| 00:46.52 | DeadZergling | well, we are 1 for 2 on new mappers |
| 00:46.57 | DeadZergling | had one say #%#% this and alt f4 |
| 00:47.02 | DeadZergling | other one shall continue lol |
| 00:47.06 | A1win | hehe |
| 00:47.08 | Cuiu | can your hero get killed |
| 00:47.21 | A1win | the players don't control a unit themselves |
| 00:47.32 | A1win | they just call down abilities from the sky |
| 00:47.44 | Cuiu | is there only one hero and the tree decides the outcome`? |
| 00:47.48 | A1win | anywhere on the map (where your team has vision) |
| 00:47.57 | A1win | tree? |
| 00:48.02 | Cuiu | tech |
| 00:48.19 | A1win | I haven't thought much about how you choose new abilities but possibly some kind of a tier thing |
| 00:48.25 | A1win | pick one ability from tier 1, one from tier 2, etc |
| 00:48.45 | A1win | but there is no "hero", just the abilities |
| 00:48.51 | Cuiu | decision games are cool |
| 00:49.26 | A1win | yeah, and difficult to balance :P |
| 00:49.50 | Cuiu | how many tiers? and what kind of abilities do you have in mind that balance each other |
| 00:50.07 | A1win | no idea about the tier system yet, just a thought |
| 00:50.38 | Cuiu | how many abilities per tier then? |
| 00:50.50 | A1win | the abilities can do pretty much anything, like aoe damage, aoe heals, aoe buffs, aoe debuffs, spawn reinforcements, spawn cannons, cloaking fields, teleports |
| 00:51.04 | A1win | I don't know :P |
| 00:51.20 | A1win | a game shouldn't last too long, though, so probably not a huge number of abilities per game |
| 00:51.33 | DeadZergling | only about 30? |
| 00:51.41 | Cuiu | pen and paper then. draw it out first ^^ |
| 00:51.42 | A1win | :P |
| 00:52.20 | A1win | I'm thinking something like 4-5 tiers with 1 ability you can choose for each, but as many choices as I can come up with and makes sense |
| 00:52.37 | DeadZergling | one of my testers isn't happy I decided to make it so you have to choose which stats/abilities you get, but can never have it all |
| 00:52.39 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 00:52.43 | A1win | like choose one ability from 6 to tier 1, 1 of 6 to tier 2, etc |
| 00:52.55 | A1win | hehe |
| 00:53.14 | A1win | well, the games will be quick, so you can pick new ones to the next |
| 00:53.29 | DeadZergling | aye, my game will be a bit less quick |
| 00:53.30 | A1win | might not be good to have too many to choose from if you can only have 1 though |
| 00:53.44 | Cuiu | its all about explaining stuff. i hate arcade games that explain shit to you. so you have to spend hours to figure stuff out |
| 00:53.44 | A1win | and might not be easy to come up with that many for each tier anyway :D |
| 00:53.45 | DeadZergling | taking me forever and eternity to get it together |
| 00:54.02 | DeadZergling | so my users will be forced to play forever and eternity as well, dang it |
| 00:54.14 | A1win | ;x |
| 00:54.23 | DeadZergling | well no not really |
| 00:54.33 | DeadZergling | I'm not a fan of these never ending games |
| 00:54.54 | DeadZergling | beat all the bosses and you win |
| 00:55.01 | DeadZergling | quests/items are optional things to do |
| 00:55.10 | A1win | I'm not quite sure what the victory condition of this game would be, though |
| 00:55.29 | DeadZergling | the other teams zealots start eating themselves their economy is so bad? |
| 00:55.41 | A1win | hehe |
| 00:55.44 | A1win | I'm imagining an endless line of minerals and workers at the end of each map, and that defines your research speed :P |
| 00:55.49 | A1win | err |
| 00:55.52 | Cuiu | maybe something like if the zealots kill the worker the game is over because the team has no income |
| 00:55.53 | A1win | at each end of the map |
| 00:56.21 | A1win | yeah but the income would only define research speed... which might be a bit silly though |
| 00:56.32 | DeadZergling | let the losing side be taken over by obama due to it being properly prepped for socialism? |
| 00:56.39 | A1win | one might think the income defines unit spawns, as in SC2 |
| 00:57.26 | Cuiu | then put a sign in the middle of the map that says is does not :D |
| 00:57.30 | A1win | :P |
| 00:57.42 | A1win | telling is worse than showing |
| 00:57.55 | DeadZergling | income defense, that was a fun BW map |
| 00:58.06 | DeadZergling | when everyone could agree to not building too many bunkers |
| 00:58.09 | A1win | it's like putting a green circle in the middle of the map with a sign saying "THIS CIRCLE IS BLUE" |
| 00:58.13 | DeadZergling | and causing intense horrible lag and issues |
| 00:59.06 | A1win | and then you need to remember that when the game tells you to go to the blue circle, you need to go to the circle that is green (with the sign that says it's blue) |
| 00:59.27 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 00:59.36 | Cuiu | your analogy sucks :D |
| 00:59.40 | A1win | :P |
| 00:59.50 | A1win | it doesn't :< |
| 00:59.52 | DeadZergling | sigh, ever have something to do in your project that makes you cringe to even begin to think about it? |
| 01:00.10 | Shawn|Rawr | Yes. All of my unfinished projects |
| 01:00.13 | A1win | it's both about using something that the players have already getting used to "that green is green and that minerals are used to spawn units" |
| 01:00.27 | A1win | err |
| 01:00.32 | A1win | weird quotation marks |
| 01:00.40 | A1win | I'm tired ._,. |
| 01:00.51 | DeadZergling | Michelin or Goodyear? |
| 01:00.56 | Shawn|Rawr | Neither |
| 01:01.01 | A1win | and I've drunk too much caffeine |
| 01:01.06 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't support this two tire system |
| 01:01.22 | DeadZergling | yes, need at least 5 tires |
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| 01:02.01 | DeadZergling | bah, I know I need to make quests, and a quest tracker |
| 01:02.06 | DeadZergling | but fuck do I not want to |
| 01:02.45 | A1win | I guess the issue I'm trying to avoid is that since the players have no control over the units, there shouldn't be more than one thing the units can attack to (like having Forges doing research, and nexuses as victory condition) |
| 01:03.16 | Cuiu | point system? |
| 01:03.19 | DeadZergling | have to mirror the terrain pretty well too |
| 01:03.26 | Cuiu | like if zealot croses line or something ^^ |
| 01:03.44 | DeadZergling | remember a BW map, dragon defense or some weird name like that |
| 01:03.56 | A1win | nah point system is pointless (look a pun) in a 1vs1 (or team vs team) game where elimination is just as viable |
| 01:03.57 | DeadZergling | the bottom side would always go further across the middle than the top |
| 01:04.17 | A1win | I didn't play custom maps in BW |
| 01:04.34 | A1win | just made some on the original SC before moving to Half-Life mapping |
| 01:04.39 | DeadZergling | overall it was a fun little map |
| 01:04.50 | DeadZergling | hard to get good competition for though |
| 01:04.53 | DeadZergling | it was so complicated |
| 01:04.57 | A1win | but yeah mirroring terrain should be pretty easy since you can copy & rotate :P |
| 01:04.57 | DeadZergling | you had to explain to newcomers |
| 01:05.33 | DeadZergling | I remember back when a quest system was go to this beacon, get told what a quest is |
| 01:05.41 | DeadZergling | go kill the bu ilding or whatever |
| 01:05.54 | DeadZergling | come back, rewards or rewards instantly upon kill, t hen they'd come back for another quest |
| 01:05.59 | DeadZergling | and that was good enough |
| 01:06.09 | Cuiu | but you have to come up with some win condition :D |
| 01:06.38 | DeadZergling | now I gotta have multiple quest givers w/ multiple quests that could be given in any order |
| 01:06.44 | DeadZergling | doable, but damn do I not want to do it |
| 01:06.56 | A1win | I think I should either tie the win condition to the research itself (like first team to research mothership wins), or have it simply be "destroy the enemy nexuses" |
| 01:07.17 | A1win | but since the map is so wide, what would the units at the other side do after they have destroyed nexuses from that side and there are still some left at the other |
| 01:07.36 | A1win | it'd mess up the "layout" of unit paths etc |
| 01:07.53 | DeadZergling | oh well, off to get more free drinks |
| 01:08.12 | DeadZergling | then I can stress out over quests that I don't even like doing in the first place, be purely for the user experience :P |
| 01:08.17 | Cuiu | a flying nexus? |
| 01:08.32 | Shawn|Rawr | Yes |
| 01:08.37 | Cuiu | ^^ |
| 01:08.54 | A1win | hmm? |
| 01:09.15 | Shawn|Rawr | A flying nexus is really what we've always wanted |
| 01:09.19 | A1win | :P |
| 01:09.28 | Shawn|Rawr | They wanted to make the mothership be a resource drop-off, but this is better |
| 01:09.53 | A1win | I just don't see what it has to do with what we were talking about D: |
| 01:09.59 | A1win | or what I was talking about |
| 01:10.06 | Shawn|Rawr | I just came back adn that's all I saw |
| 01:10.08 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm sorry |
| 01:10.10 | A1win | hehe |
| 01:11.12 | DeadZergling | Hrrrmmm, I thought a pony is what we've always wanted. |
| 01:11.31 | Shawn|Rawr | No, that's you... and that's gross bro |
| 01:12.03 | DeadZergling | what is? You just have to use a shovel for the droppings. |
| 01:12.10 | DeadZergling | isn't that bad. |
| 01:12.46 | Shawn|Rawr | No, I mean what you want to do in your spare time with ponies is gross |
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| 01:12.54 | Shawn|Rawr | Lady Godiva and shit |
| 01:13.05 | DeadZergling | Not sure what gutter your mind is in. |
| 01:13.14 | DeadZergling | No idea what you are talking about. |
| 01:13.27 | Shawn|Rawr | :) |
| 01:13.50 | Shawn|Rawr | Lady Godiva famously rode a horse through town naked in protest |
| 01:16.13 | DeadZergling | okay, never heard of her or that |
| 01:16.44 | Shawn|Rawr | Sigh, The youth these days |
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| 01:18.03 | DeadZergling | It doesn't bother me too much, never thought much of history |
| 01:18.23 | DeadZergling | perhaps when I'm as old as shawn I'll look in history books to see if I'm in them too, lol |
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| 01:21.04 | DeadZergling | they are very, very, very bored in Japan.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK6q9b57I0c&feature=related |
| 01:21.54 | Shawn|Rawr | A1win, do you know how forces work? |
| 01:22.06 | A1win | haven't used them |
| 01:23.13 | Zolden | lol |
| 01:23.15 | Zolden | nice race |
| 01:25.36 | Zolden | Shawn|Rawr: do you mean the forces to push units? |
| 01:25.41 | Shawn|Rawr | Yes |
| 01:25.47 | Zolden | oh, it's easy |
| 01:25.58 | Zolden | first, you need to lift the unit a bit |
| 01:26.10 | Zolden | for example, apply a behavior which will increase its height |
| 01:26.31 | Zolden | second, you need to apply force multiple times |
| 01:26.36 | Zolden | via persistent |
| 01:26.45 | Zolden | little push 20 times for example |
| 01:26.47 | DeadZergling | not as many times if you set a minimum movement speed |
| 01:27.18 | A1win | hmm... maybe all the nexuses have shared health pool, and the zealots only attack the nexus after killing all workers that are at it |
| 01:27.48 | A1win | (then the workers replenish over time) |
| 01:28.43 | A1win | at the back of the base, a huge line of minerals, followed by space for workers, followed up by a line of nexuses, followed by some base defense, followed by the middle of the map (and then the same for the other team) |
| 01:29.28 | A1win | hmm |
| 01:29.31 | Shawn|Rawr | Zolden, where is it that I set the force effects target to be the direction the unit is facing? |
| 01:29.33 | A1win | except that where do the zealots spawn :P |
| 01:29.45 | A1win | if they don't spawn at the nexuses, there is no defense at them |
| 01:29.55 | Shawn|Rawr | Mothership cores |
| 01:29.55 | Shawn|Rawr | imo |
| 01:29.58 | A1win | so maybe it should be the other way round... |
| 01:30.26 | Zolden | Shawn|Rawr: you want force to push the target in a direction of caster facing? |
| 01:30.28 | A1win | zealot spawns | nexuses | worker space | mineral patches | base defense | middle of the map | ... |
| 01:30.47 | A1win | and have a gap between each nexus/minerals for zealots to walk through to the middle |
| 01:31.18 | A1win | that way the enemy zealots would also reach the workers before the nexus, and they are supposed to kill the workers first anyway |
| 01:32.18 | Shawn|Rawr | Yes |
| 01:34.18 | Zolden | try Location or Unit fields |
| 01:34.24 | Zolden | of the effect |
| 01:39.01 | Shawn|Rawr | I need a persistent and an apply force or just the persistent? |
| 01:40.48 | Zolden | persistent which will apply force |
| 01:41.01 | Shawn|Rawr | But 2 effects or just the one? |
| 01:41.01 | Zolden | with a tiny period |
| 01:41.18 | Zolden | 1 effect with another effect in it |
| 01:41.25 | Shawn|Rawr | cool. |
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| 01:58.52 | Shawn|Rawr | Zolden, is there a field that makes him turnable while the force is active? |
| 02:06.08 | Zolden | i think it's something in the persistent |
| 02:06.46 | Zolden | a flag which allows unit to act while the persistent is persisting |
| 02:07.05 | Zolden | have to go lseep now, sry |
| 02:07.08 | Zolden | maybe ask on forum |
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| 02:17.32 | zlefin | why do so many games use SUCH fast turning speeds for units? i wonder if the gameplayw ould be different/make flanking more relevant if turning speeds were slower |
| 02:24.37 | A1win | probably a lot more confusing |
| 02:25.25 | A1win | and you'd have to be constantly microing your units' facing |
| 02:26.15 | A1win | and looking at the directions they are facing to know if you need to micro it |
| 02:26.40 | A1win | sleep time -> |
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| 02:28.35 | TouYaj | Sup guys |
| 02:55.20 | Dustin | sup |
| 02:56.19 | Shawn|Rawr | SOP |
| 03:01.12 | TouYaj | So what kind of maps have you made |
| 03:04.04 | Shawn|Rawr | Shitty ones |
| 03:04.34 | TouYaj | Link? |
| 03:05.20 | Shawn|Rawr | I've only just published one of them recently. |
| 03:05.33 | Shawn|Rawr | Theres no screenshots or video or anything |
| 03:06.04 | TouYaj | What is it called |
| 03:08.11 | Shawn|Rawr | Lane Wars |
| 03:08.27 | ckSynergy | evening |
| 03:08.47 | ckSynergy | has any ever experienced their map/mod data getting partially corrupted? |
| 03:09.17 | ckSynergy | as in, everything is there, but functions just stop working, or seem to get replaced by other data (ex. one requirement getting random replaced with another) |
| 03:10.49 | Shawn|Rawr | Cant say I have |
| 03:11.18 | ckSynergy | hmm |
| 03:11.19 | Ahli | I only experience problems with the revert change function |
| 03:11.25 | ckSynergy | yea |
| 03:11.33 | ckSynergy | Ive had problems there too |
| 03:11.45 | ckSynergy | right now I'm experiencing problems with a very basic function |
| 03:12.02 | ckSynergy | simple ability, creates a unit, spawn effect of add behavior |
| 03:12.20 | ckSynergy | behavior not getting applied |
| 03:12.36 | ckSynergy | I know it sounds stupid, but trust me, the targets are correct |
| 03:12.54 | ckSynergy | the weird thing is, the unit being created has a veterancy behavior |
| 03:13.18 | ckSynergy | the first spawn will have the veterancy behavior, the 2 and 3 unit created in the same "create unit" effect, dont have the behavior |
| 03:13.33 | ckSynergy | spawn count in the spawn unit effect is set to 3 |
| 03:13.41 | ckSynergy | 1st one has veterancy, 2nd and third dont |
| 03:13.43 | ckSynergy | explain that to me |
| 03:13.44 | ckSynergy | lol |
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| 03:33.58 | Shawn|Rawr | By the way TouYaj, I'm probably not the kind of mapper you are looking for. :) |
| 03:34.18 | TouYaj | Why would you say that? |
| 03:34.46 | Shawn|Rawr | I lack inspiration and good ideas |
| 03:35.55 | Saeris | yawn, what's going on? just got back home |
| 03:36.15 | Shawn|Rawr | However, Saeris is a baller |
| 03:36.28 | TouYaj | Im looking for mappers to join |
| 03:36.43 | TouYaj | I basically will bring a large community to their map or dev etc. and get them sponsored etc |
| 03:37.03 | Saeris | lol |
| 03:37.34 | Saeris | dunno bout that |
| 03:38.13 | Saeris | i've got a large project in the works, but it's still going through pre-production |
| 03:38.21 | TouYaj | What is it? |
| 03:38.48 | Saeris | 3v3 competitive brewing game |
| 03:38.54 | TouYaj | and I actually can bring a large crowd and sponsors. I have my connections. I even will get you exclusive interviews within 2 weeks from popular gaming sites |
| 03:39.01 | TouYaj | Do you have a video or screen shots? |
| 03:39.04 | Saeris | no |
| 03:39.09 | Saeris | it's in pre-production |
| 03:39.14 | Saeris | as in, still all on paper |
| 03:39.39 | TouYaj | Do you have any experience with making maps? |
| 03:39.58 | Saeris | yes, published 3 UMS and a handful of melee maps |
| 03:40.13 | Saeris | golem wars classic, tower defense classic, and [SCL] room wars |
| 03:40.50 | TouYaj | Nice. Well Im actually a huge fan of the golems and td classics |
| 03:41.17 | TouYaj | If you want we can work something out. I can make a website or a Dev site and feature all your maps on there etc |
| 03:41.27 | Saeris | cool. haven't updated either in over a year |
| 03:41.38 | Saeris | and that's fine, i'm not looking for anything like that at this time |
| 03:41.52 | TouYaj | Well its always good to get started now |
| 03:42.02 | TouYaj | I have nothing else to do so I am offering to help out others |
| 03:42.16 | TouYaj | here is a sample I did for a client: http://touyaj.deviantart.com/#/d5hn6u5 |
| 03:42.43 | Saeris | yea i don't need a website |
| 03:43.03 | TouYaj | k |
| 03:43.15 | Saeris | http://miritica.net/ |
| 03:43.35 | TouYaj | You? |
| 03:43.38 | Saeris | yup |
| 03:43.49 | TouYaj | ah |
| 03:44.00 | Shawn|Rawr | Told you saeris is a baller |
| 03:44.03 | Shawn|Rawr | Proof |
| 03:44.05 | Shawn|Rawr | :D |
| 03:44.10 | TouYaj | =D |
| 03:44.22 | Saeris | i'll have to update that in a few months when jobs start popping up again |
| 03:44.29 | TouYaj | Well im not a level maker. Was planning to be one but spent too much time making models |
| 03:44.30 | Saeris | last made changes to it about 7 months ago |
| 03:44.58 | Saeris | and i haven't released a project in a little over a year, been busy with school and work |
| 03:45.16 | TouYaj | ah |
| 03:45.39 | TouYaj | I was working with egod but he was lacking motivation so I had to leave |
| 03:46.09 | TouYaj | I even had him a interview with MMORPG, RTSGuru, and another online gaming site |
| 03:46.13 | TouYaj | one of them was tomorrow |
| 03:46.45 | Saeris | i've got the motivation, i just don't have much in terms of time. this project I'm working on now, BrewCraft, is going to take a long time |
| 03:47.06 | TouYaj | at least you got motivation =D |
| 03:47.22 | TouYaj | Im soon going to team up with the guy who made the slender like game in sc2 |
| 03:47.37 | TouYaj | I already have a bad ass layout for everything |
| 03:47.57 | Saeris | ah, cool |
| 03:48.07 | Saeris | brb, makin food |
| 03:48.11 | TouYaj | k |
| 03:48.51 | TouYaj | Was kinda pissed about TristramRPG. I got people to support and fund over 1k to him within 2 weeks and he hardly is working on his map now. I had to refund people |
| 03:54.02 | Saeris | tbh i didn't see that going anywhere anyways |
| 03:54.08 | Saeris | been in the works for how long now? |
| 03:54.31 | Saeris | for a game that's destined to be far inferior to all the other games in it's genre entering the market now? |
| 03:54.49 | Saeris | dunno, was cool when it was announced |
| 03:54.55 | Saeris | but that's about it |
| 03:55.44 | Saeris | it's real value would come from tutorials explaining how it was made |
| 03:55.51 | TouYaj | Yeah |
| 03:55.59 | Ahli | the funded amount stayed at 0 all the time =/ |
| 03:56.06 | TouYaj | He also doesnt talk back to his followers too |
| 03:56.17 | TouYaj | People funded us via Moneybookers |
| 03:56.28 | TouYaj | since most dont use Amazon |
| 03:56.47 | TouYaj | I even wrote a apology letter with the refunds |
| 03:57.06 | TouYaj | He had a lot coming to him but he lacked a few things |
| 03:57.19 | TouYaj | and another SC2 Diablo game was already way more popular |
| 03:57.41 | Ahli | mine? |
| 03:58.34 | TouYaj | I dont know but it had diablo UI in it. So far from my research that person had more hype than tristram rpg |
| 04:06.56 | Saeris | time to watch state of the game |
| 04:07.36 | Saeris | would be nice if the mapping community was big enough to do a show like this |
| 04:13.00 | TouYaj | I could make that =D |
| 04:13.32 | Saeris | community needs to be more active to warrant having it really |
| 04:14.00 | TouYaj | Most communities lack activity as most people don't really spend time on community thrive |
| 04:14.23 | TouYaj | If I was community manager at sc2m I would of made a LOT of changes |
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| 04:27.06 | ckSynergy | hey dead |
| 04:27.48 | DeadZergling | hello ck |
| 04:29.30 | Saeris | well, suppose i should get back to work converting textures. got a ton left to do there |
| 04:31.29 | DeadZergling | what you been up to ck? |
| 04:33.24 | ckSynergy | trying to debug my mod lol |
| 04:33.31 | ckSynergy | same thing as usual |
| 04:33.46 | DeadZergling | ah, I'm finally forcing myself to make another ability for my necro |
| 04:33.50 | DeadZergling | I been putting it off again |
| 04:34.44 | ckSynergy | heh |
| 04:35.00 | DeadZergling | currently just trying to make a model line up the way I need it to |
| 04:35.45 | ckSynergy | Yea that can be difficult |
| 04:35.53 | ckSynergy | but try having the editor stop functioning correctly |
| 04:35.59 | DeadZergling | it looks right for what I want to do, but have to play a game of figure out site operations to make it look like its missile counterpart acts |
| 04:38.44 | ckSynergy | I see |
| 04:42.40 | DeadZergling | blah, the model goes all over the place if I have to turn to cast much, lol |
| 04:44.56 | ckSynergy | what kind of model is it? |
| 04:46.01 | DeadZergling | MissileFX, is for use w/ a missile, but has an irregular model |
| 04:46.39 | DeadZergling | SM_MarSaraBarHydraliskSkull.m3 |
| 04:48.56 | ckSynergy | interesting |
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| 04:54.11 | DeadZergling | yea, I think what I'll end up doing is just attaching it to a missile model that acts normally, lol |
| 04:54.29 | ckSynergy | there ya go |
| 04:58.21 | DeadZergling | as to editor not working for me, I had enough of that last weekend |
| 04:58.38 | DeadZergling | when I couldn't publish for 30 hours straight, lol |
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| 05:02.09 | ckSynergy | howd you fix that |
| 05:02.46 | DeadZergling | converted newer map to sc2components, an old known working map to sc2components |
| 05:02.57 | DeadZergling | replaced variant files from new w/ old |
| 05:03.35 | ckSynergy | ah |
| 05:04.21 | ckSynergy | right now its looking like I may have to rewrite my mod from scratch |
| 05:04.29 | ckSynergy | :/ |
| 05:05.17 | DeadZergling | i was thinking the same last weekend |
| 05:05.21 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 05:05.25 | DeadZergling | what is it doing? |
| 05:06.02 | ckSynergy | its just not firing off commands |
| 05:06.07 | ckSynergy | for example |
| 05:06.15 | ckSynergy | I have a basic instant effect ability |
| 05:06.26 | ckSynergy | it triggers a create unit effect, which should apply a behavior |
| 05:06.39 | ckSynergy | the unit thats created has a veterancy behavior |
| 05:06.42 | ckSynergy | heres the odd part |
| 05:07.00 | ckSynergy | first, it doesnt apply the behavior (or trigger any effect) thats set in the spawn field |
| 05:07.18 | ckSynergy | secondly, the veterancy behavior, just disappears if I create more than one unit with the effect |
| 05:07.26 | ckSynergy | on the spawned unit |
| 05:07.40 | ckSynergy | so say I set the spawn count to 3, the first one will have veterancy, the 2nd and third wont |
| 05:09.23 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm |
| 05:09.29 | ckSynergy | yea |
| 05:09.31 | ckSynergy | weird eh? |
| 05:09.31 | DeadZergling | is it consistent? |
| 05:09.36 | ckSynergy | yes |
| 05:10.15 | ckSynergy | also, if I set the ability to trigger a persistent effect, with a period of 3, and the periodic effect to spawn 1 unit |
| 05:10.22 | ckSynergy | it only spawns 1 unit lol |
| 05:10.39 | ckSynergy | so its not finishing the periods either |
| 05:10.56 | DeadZergling | out of curiosity |
| 05:11.01 | DeadZergling | have you changed map names recently? |
| 05:11.13 | ckSynergy | nope |
| 05:11.23 | ckSynergy | map and mod names have stayed the same |
| 05:11.33 | DeadZergling | changed the location of the files? |
| 05:11.40 | ckSynergy | nope |
| 05:12.03 | DeadZergling | just checking |
| 05:12.30 | DeadZergling | I once changed names a bit, and didn't adjust the test document field quite right in my preferences |
| 05:12.39 | DeadZergling | caused some of the weirdest freaking errors ever |
| 05:14.10 | ckSynergy | well, even when I try running the map directly, it bugs out |
| 05:14.13 | ckSynergy | and causes the same problems |
| 05:14.42 | DeadZergling | well that could be my problem, seems missile models don't have attachment points, lol |
| 05:14.58 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 05:18.15 | DeadZergling | do you have any old versions of the map where these effects work? |
| 05:21.03 | ckSynergy | yes, but I have so many other changes and bug fixes since then, to revert would get rid of that |
| 05:21.29 | ckSynergy | I just dont see how it can be possible for an effect not to work |
| 05:21.49 | DeadZergling | have you tried simply copy pasting those particular effects over? |
| 05:22.21 | ckSynergy | yes |
| 05:22.30 | ckSynergy | and I tried different effects |
| 05:22.39 | ckSynergy | tried to redo the ability from scratch and nada |
| 05:22.51 | DeadZergling | odd, you are applying the behaviors using data only right? |
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| 05:29.48 | ckSynergy | yea |
| 05:30.19 | ckSynergy | I basically weeded out everything, and kept just the create unit, and the apply behavior effect |
| 05:30.35 | ckSynergy | the unit doesnt keep the veterancy, and the behavior is applied to neither caster nor source nor target |
| 05:34.07 | DeadZergling | tried a different buff? |
| 05:34.45 | ckSynergy | yea |
| 05:34.54 | ckSynergy | I even tried a damage effect |
| 05:34.58 | ckSynergy | its simple not firing off |
| 05:35.01 | ckSynergy | *simply |
| 05:37.48 | ckSynergy | Im pulling my hair out over this |
| 05:38.06 | ckSynergy | And its just this one ability or so it appears |
| 05:38.24 | Saeris | at some point i'm gonna need to do a video tutorial on how i'm generating extra textures for my WoW models |
| 05:39.01 | Saeris | process isn't too hard, just sorta slow and varies texture to texture |
| 05:40.18 | Saeris | but i've got a decent process worked out to generate AO, Specular and Normal maps from the diffuse textures I get through WoW Model Viewer |
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| 05:46.30 | ckSynergy | ok I scanned through the data xml, but I cant see any errors or problems |
| 05:46.47 | ckSynergy | I ran the data through dreamweaver just to see if there was a mising slash mark or something and nada |
| 05:58.32 | zlefin | most odd |
| 06:04.17 | ckSynergy | mmhmm |
| 06:04.37 | Shawn|Rawr | yep |
| 06:05.05 | ckSynergy | oh this is interesting |
| 06:05.24 | ckSynergy | The casting unit is a hero and all heros half the same regen rate |
| 06:05.37 | ckSynergy | but the problem hero's regen is more than double the normal rate |
| 06:05.43 | ckSynergy | even though the value is the same as the others |
| 06:08.17 | ckSynergy | ok thats weird |
| 06:08.24 | ckSynergy | strike the regen rate |
| 06:08.38 | ckSynergy | when I cast the problematic ability, the hero regen rate doubles |
| 06:12.43 | ckSynergy | wth |
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| 06:29.09 | Saeris | hmm |
| 06:29.35 | Saeris | interesting, got a linkedin invite from another SC2 mapper. dunno if that was through my website I linked earlier or not |
| 06:31.52 | zlefin | hmm; a sc2 boardgame; i'm gonna ponder the possiblities |
| 06:31.59 | zlefin | and/or other turn based version |
| 06:32.07 | Saeris | aha |
| 06:32.10 | Saeris | so |
| 06:32.16 | Saeris | turns out if you get a beta invite |
| 06:32.44 | Saeris | the difference between SCII-1 and SCII-2 is that you can log in on two separate computers at once |
| 06:33.04 | Saeris | so if you've got a buddy and a spare PC, you can play on the same account |
| 06:36.00 | Saeris | and that shows me how Players Near You works |
| 06:36.12 | zlefin | that's neat |
| 06:36.13 | Saeris | if you're on the same local network it shows other players |
| 06:36.45 | Saeris | so that aught to help a little with lan parties and tournaments |
| 06:37.56 | zlefin | yep |
| 06:43.07 | Ahli | where does it show that? |
| 06:43.09 | Ahli | screenshot pls |
| 06:43.17 | Saeris | sec |
| 06:44.36 | Saeris | http://i.imgur.com/JTgk0.jpg |
| 06:44.59 | Saeris | yes I have davie on my friends list =P |
| 06:45.19 | Saeris | dunno which of his accounts tho, he has many |
| 06:46.57 | Ahli | cool |
| 06:52.36 | zlefin | hmm; thre's an existing sc board game and someone on maspter is brniging it into sc2; interesting |
| 06:53.56 | ckSynergy | has anyone else had a problem linking a mod and a test map? |
| 06:57.53 | ckSynergy | DeadZergling you there? |
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| 10:35.23 | Saeris | god, camtasia studio used to be baller for doing screencaps |
| 10:35.30 | Saeris | now it doesn't even fucking work -.- |
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| 11:33.47 | monkalizer | hello! |
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| 11:50.10 | monkalizer | haha this is so different from sweden: http://lightbox.time.com/2012/11/05/michael-mergen-american-democracy/?iid=lb-gal-moreon#1 |
| 11:52.07 | monkalizer | (the locations of the voting boxes) |
| 11:53.37 | monkalizer | http://www.wired.com/playbook/2012/11/physics-fifa-13/ |
| 11:53.44 | monkalizer | game dev problem explained |
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| 13:56.18 | Taintedwisp | Hey everyone |
| 13:56.21 | Taintedwisp | Hey dogmai |
| 13:56.23 | monkalizer | hi |
| 13:56.25 | TheSkunk__ | Hey tainte |
| 13:56.25 | TheSkunk__ | d |
| 13:56.34 | Taintedwisp | I woke up before noon... |
| 13:56.35 | Taintedwisp | its amazing |
| 13:56.51 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 13:57.05 | Taintedwisp | Apperently this is what happens when you go to sleep before 4 am :P |
| 13:57.51 | Dogmai | i edited my post |
| 13:57.54 | Dogmai | refresh |
| 13:58.26 | Taintedwisp | yeah I had At first Insulted TouYaj, let the record show |
| 13:58.28 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 13:59.11 | Taintedwisp | Molster 15 Aug 2012 - 17:32 |
| 13:59.12 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 13:59.19 | Taintedwisp | Thats one of his last visitors haah |
| 14:00.26 | Taintedwisp | There I updated mine too |
| 14:00.28 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 14:01.13 | Taintedwisp | I still think its funny that Molster was his last visitor |
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| 14:05.04 | Dustin|Work | Morning guys |
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| 14:07.08 | Taintedwisp | Morning |
| 14:07.11 | Taintedwisp | NOW GET OUT!!! |
| 14:07.12 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 14:07.14 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 14:07.16 | Taintedwisp | whats up |
| 14:09.35 | Dustin|Work | :D |
| 14:09.42 | Dustin|Work | Just happy it's friday |
| 14:09.59 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 14:10.48 | Zolden | Taintedwisp: how's the cat? still alive? |
| 14:11.25 | Taintedwisp | yeah he has a bit more energy |
| 14:11.44 | Dustin|Work | Feed him some Fancy Feast and remind him how fancy he is |
| 14:11.44 | Taintedwisp | Enough to walk to his food anyways |
| 14:11.51 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 14:11.56 | Taintedwisp | He gets cheap catfood haah |
| 14:12.01 | Dustin|Work | Maybe get him a top hat, I hear that helps |
| 14:12.03 | Taintedwisp | Its all he will eat |
| 14:12.09 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 14:12.21 | Taintedwisp | yeah I think a car hit him |
| 14:12.30 | Taintedwisp | I looked at him and hes got great marks on him |
| 14:12.42 | Dustin|Work | Poor guy :( |
| 14:12.42 | Taintedwisp | Grease |
| 14:13.35 | Dustin|Work | Do you guys think it'd be worth it to make a 3rd party unit wizard |
| 14:13.37 | Dustin|Work | ? |
| 14:14.25 | Dustin|Work | Or should I focus on something cooler |
| 14:14.33 | Zolden | depends on how cool will it be |
| 14:14.34 | Taintedwisp | Uni Wizard? no |
| 14:14.41 | Taintedwisp | Ability or hero Wizard DEFINATLY |
| 14:14.52 | Taintedwisp | if you go with an ability wizard then dont forget levelable options :P |
| 14:15.07 | Zolden | like Gandalf |
| 14:15.22 | Taintedwisp | And the hero wizard dont forget leveling actors, the glow under the heros, etc |
| 14:15.27 | Zolden | or Merlin |
| 14:15.32 | Dustin|Work | I need to dive into the XML shit before I code anything |
| 14:15.45 | Dustin|Work | so I can understand how shtis layed out and connected in that format |
| 14:16.47 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 14:16.56 | Zolden | just do LSD and amphetamine and go hardcore acid trance party, and the next day you'll have all the information about how to create the wizard |
| 14:16.57 | monkalizer | do it with javascript and jquery, it has built in functions to build stuff quickly |
| 14:17.54 | monkalizer | Zolden: great idea, and its friday! so you can sleep long tomorrow |
| 14:19.40 | Zolden | guys, do you think this NOD tower looks like it supposed to? http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/32/871/nod_tower.jpg |
| 14:20.24 | monkalizer | nice texturing :) |
| 14:20.31 | monkalizer | i dont know, cant remember |
| 14:21.44 | Dustin|Work | lol not doing it in javascript :P |
| 14:21.51 | Dustin|Work | C# with an XML lib |
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| 14:25.09 | monkalizer | well that works too :) ive never done anything in c# |
| 14:25.53 | monkalizer | let me reformulate my suggestion: use a library that has built in functions for building custom xml |
| 14:30.07 | Zolden | duckies, do you plan to play that awesome tank map agin today? |
| 14:30.54 | duckies | absolutely, probably closer to the evening |
| 14:31.02 | Zolden | alright, inv me too |
| 14:31.10 | duckies | will do |
| 14:36.10 | Dustin|Work | We need a SC2 Battle Tanks |
| 14:36.17 | Dustin|Work | I liked that map in WC3 |
| 14:37.13 | Zolden | you mean the remake of NES version? |
| 14:38.34 | monkalizer | Where do I browse the built in border/dialog styles available in the core game? |
| 14:42.29 | duckies | Nes version? you mean battle city zolden? |
| 14:43.10 | duckies | I think a guy from mapster channel yesterday told us that he was remaking battle city :D, so all is good |
| 14:43.58 | duckies | and battle tanks I think is more like eiviyns cataclysm, where you build your own tank and battle other tanks |
| 14:44.26 | Dustin|Work | Someone who's familiar with working in SC2 XML for units, can you send me the xml files needed for a marine or another unit |
| 14:44.32 | Dustin|Work | I just want to see how they are setup |
| 14:45.17 | Dustin|Work | Battle Tanks was where you bought a tank/flying thing, then bought weapons, and the wepaons auto fired at shit and all did different things |
| 14:45.18 | Taintedwisp | Making me some samiches, Canned Chicken, Light Mayo, SPinach, and Onions, And its all mixed together on bread in the oven now |
| 14:45.19 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 14:45.24 | Dustin|Work | And it played like an AOS |
| 14:45.33 | Taintedwisp | AOS !!! |
| 14:45.35 | Taintedwisp | SUCKS!!!!! |
| 14:46.05 | Dustin|Work | Tell that to the millions of people playing Dota/HoN/LoL right now :P |
| 14:46.57 | Dustin|Work | Dele needs to make them code the plugin system for galaxy editor that I want |
| 14:47.01 | Zolden | duckies: yea, battle city woud be cool |
| 14:47.57 | Zolden | I think mech commanders' author could easily include battle city mode |
| 14:48.05 | duckies | very true, I too hope that he finishes it and that the resullt is enjoyable |
| 14:48.44 | duckies | mech comander? |
| 14:49.20 | Taintedwisp | AOS SUCKKKKSSSS!!!!! |
| 14:49.21 | Taintedwisp | ahahaha |
| 14:49.31 | Taintedwisp | It feels sooo damn Awkward to play |
| 14:49.40 | duckies | though I wonder, how would battle city play in sc2? |
| 14:49.53 | Taintedwisp | < |
| 14:49.55 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 14:50.16 | Taintedwisp | Ill try any game atleast once. |
| 14:51.12 | duckies | aos in sc1 was awesome, at least the one I've played. It had a very atmospheric terrain and you could easily be killed by lane enmies, 4 players max also was cool |
| 14:51.28 | Taintedwisp | Wait we are talking about something different right? |
| 14:51.34 | Taintedwisp | I am talking about Sotis Renamed |
| 14:51.44 | Dustin|Work | Wait what |
| 14:51.46 | Dustin|Work | No |
| 14:51.52 | Dustin|Work | AOS = Aeon of Strife |
| 14:51.53 | Taintedwisp | Yeah Sotis Was renamed Aeons of Storms |
| 14:51.54 | duckies | we're talkong about the gentre |
| 14:51.55 | Taintedwisp | Or AoS |
| 14:51.58 | duckies | *genre |
| 14:52.02 | Dustin|Work | What a fucker |
| 14:52.03 | Taintedwisp | ahhh |
| 14:52.09 | Dustin|Work | AOS is the genre made by SC1 |
| 14:52.18 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 14:52.42 | Dustin|Work | Sotis was a better name then ripping off Aeon of Strige |
| 14:52.44 | Dustin|Work | Strife |
| 14:53.29 | duckies | well, naming your map Aeon of Storms.. it's obvious what you're doing there with that AoS abbreviation :/ so tasteless |
| 14:54.47 | Dustin|Work | So I think I'm going to make both a Unit and Ability Wizard |
| 14:54.52 | Taintedwisp | http://www.aeonofstorms.com/ |
| 14:54.53 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 14:55.52 | duckies | how would you make an ability wizzard? it would be so basick that newbies would be better off learning how to work with effects anyway |
| 14:56.09 | Taintedwisp | omg... |
| 14:56.15 | Taintedwisp | shit hit is delicous... |
| 14:56.20 | Taintedwisp | soo great |
| 14:56.29 | Dustin|Work | For fast abilities |
| 14:56.42 | Dustin|Work | Setting up a base ability to tweak |
| 14:56.50 | Dustin|Work | Same with units |
| 14:58.06 | duckies | If that wizard can't make ability that opens a rift to netherworld out of which vicious tentacles attack everything, grag in weakened units and make damaged units turn to zombies on death, I'll be unimpressed :D |
| 14:58.14 | duckies | *drag |
| 15:00.29 | Dustin|Work | Lol that'd be cool |
| 15:07.26 | duckies | hm, I wonder if taintedwisps hatefull comments will be edited/removed by the mods :D |
| 15:08.13 | Taintedwisp | They shouldnt lol |
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| 15:13.03 | duckies | Still, I can't imagine mod passing by and agreeing that suggesting people to eat shit and ram wooden objects up their asses is an an encouragable behavior on mapster >.> |
| 15:13.19 | duckies | but.. i might be wrong, that would be funny :D |
| 15:14.09 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 15:14.15 | Taintedwisp | Depends, Whos it targetting |
| 15:14.16 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 15:14.23 | Taintedwisp | If they do then... lol |
| 15:14.53 | Taintedwisp | If someones there to scam members, and they call out me... then I would feel ashamed to be part of the mapster community |
| 15:15.19 | duckies | it's also kinda funy that after you went berserk dogmai stepped down and decided to be a classy gentleman instead |
| 15:15.26 | duckies | *funny |
| 15:20.17 | TheSkunk__ | Eh, a mods duty is to uphold the rules and reputation of the site |
| 15:20.37 | Dogmai | The more you understand someone, you can sometimes see that there are better ways with dealing with the situation |
| 15:20.42 | TheSkunk__ | From an outsider, Tainted makes Mapster look like an unpleasant place to be |
| 15:20.56 | TheSkunk__ | irregardless of how evil the scammer was |
| 15:21.21 | Taintedwisp | Dota 2 sucks... |
| 15:21.36 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 15:22.05 | Taintedwisp | :P, Most of my hate is more jokingly then anything :P |
| 15:22.22 | TheSkunk__ | Maybe to you |
| 15:22.55 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 15:23.35 | TheSkunk__ | Just saying, I wouldn't blame the mods for deleting them\locking the thread\giving you a warning, thats all |
| 15:23.45 | TheSkunk__ | especially if thats not something they'd let you do to a normal user |
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| 15:34.48 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 15:35.00 | Taintedwisp | I changed it, sense people are already crying.... :P |
| 15:35.31 | TheSkunk__ | It didn't offend me |
| 15:35.58 | duckies | yes, in the end, you did it for yourself tw :D |
| 15:36.09 | TheSkunk__ | I'm just saying you can't expect to say something inappropriate and (possibly) immature and expect the mods not to get mad at you because you "just did it to be funny" :P |
| 15:36.28 | Taintedwisp | MEh |
| 15:36.36 | Taintedwisp | Its a damn video game modding site.... |
| 15:36.48 | Taintedwisp | Lets be honest... there is really very little to be serious about |
| 15:37.17 | Taintedwisp | Trust me if the mods took me seriously I would have been banned a year ago :P |
| 15:39.26 | Dustin|Work | SO ANGRY OVER A VIDEO GAME! |
| 15:39.29 | Dustin|Work | RAWR |
| 15:39.43 | Taintedwisp | And on a seperate note... I really dont care if people get "Mad" at me :P, because once again, its the internet... Its not supposed to be serious... Its not like I am Interviewing for a job at curse or representing any company from the dribble I say |
| 15:40.01 | TheSkunk__ | Actually if anything your posts gave an impression that you were mad |
| 15:40.24 | Taintedwisp | hahah, Nope just trolling and telling a scrub to gtfo |
| 15:40.47 | Taintedwisp | I could have rephrased it though... to ... Kindly Sir faggot, Shove a rod up your ass and gtfo |
| 15:40.49 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 15:41.43 | TheSkunk__ | I guess you're missing my point; because I know that's how you meant it and that's why the post wouldn't bother me |
| 15:41.46 | Taintedwisp | LOL EW closed the thread neways hah |
| 15:41.56 | TheSkunk__ | yeah |
| 15:42.31 | Taintedwisp | Well Skunk, I have learned one thing about the internet... People who are serious all the time dont work on the internet, anyone who isnt a complete hardass would get atleast a half chuckle... |
| 15:42.38 | Taintedwisp | bit saying you there |
| 15:42.46 | Taintedwisp | just anyone who is overly serious.. |
| 15:43.08 | Taintedwisp | Now On facebook, sure I understand you have RL friends and family and that shit can move over onto your real life |
| 15:43.15 | TheSkunk__ | lol.. |
| 15:43.31 | Taintedwisp | < Doesnt keep a legit facebook :P |
| 15:43.41 | Taintedwisp | hahah I know better |
| 15:43.54 | TheSkunk__ | My *point* was that you can't expect other people to see that way |
| 15:44.15 | TheSkunk__ | so if you are going to carry that attituid, you'll have to be prepared that some mod takes it too seriously and bans you for life |
| 15:44.20 | Taintedwisp | My uncle who owns a couple car dealerships told me directly, dont keep a facebook, employers will search you and then fuck you over :P |
| 15:44.27 | TheSkunk__ | but if you are OK with that (I presume you are) then carry on |
| 15:44.58 | Taintedwisp | Meh, I'm good with getting banned lol. Technically all I had done was make a suggestion there was no threat so its all good |
| 15:45.18 | Taintedwisp | I never said I wanted to shove a rod up his ass... that would be kinda gay... but if he did it to himself... well |
| 15:49.43 | Taintedwisp | So whats everyone else doing? |
| 15:50.46 | TheSkunk__ | Writing feedback about HotS while working out |
| 15:51.11 | Taintedwisp | :P nice. |
| 15:51.25 | Taintedwisp | < Recovering from working out for 3 hours yesterday :P |
| 15:52.04 | Taintedwisp | gotta maximize my pump hahahaahah |
| 15:55.08 | Ahli | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/45021-business-prop-for-any-mappers-out-there/#p11 whoa dogmai :D |
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| 15:56.28 | Dustin|Work | lol vbulliten developer |
| 15:56.32 | Taintedwisp | Lolo |
| 15:56.36 | Dustin|Work | Is this the 90's |
| 15:56.40 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 15:56.42 | Dustin|Work | did i miss the memo |
| 15:56.43 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 15:56.48 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 15:56.51 | Taintedwisp | I know... |
| 15:56.56 | Taintedwisp | I'm just happy I got my insults in |
| 15:57.18 | Taintedwisp | I wont have to take that to my grave :P |
| 16:03.31 | Taintedwisp | Hey anyone feel like playing bronze - gold 4v4s in WoL? im about to play a game or two anyone down? |
| 16:03.48 | Dustin|Work | Working :P |
| 16:04.39 | Taintedwisp | Just tape a paper plate with a smiley face to your chair and sneak home, no one will ever know :P |
| 16:09.26 | Dustin|Work | I fucking wish lol |
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| 16:18.13 | ckSynergy | morning |
| 16:18.28 | Dustin|Work | mornin |
| 16:19.00 | ckSynergy | hey dustin, you ever had a problem with specific effects not working? Like downright, simple as can be and not working? |
| 16:19.41 | ckSynergy | (Current issue: Create Unit effect->Spawn field: Apply behavior (to target)) does absolutely nothing |
| 16:19.47 | ckSynergy | tried damage effect too |
| 16:19.49 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 16:22.54 | ckSynergy | ok, THIS is scary |
| 16:24.52 | Dustin|Work | I have not had that issue sir |
| 16:25.21 | ckSynergy | hmmm. I wonder whats causing it |
| 16:25.55 | ckSynergy | also have weirdddddd issues. I make a change to the mod, save, publish, close, reopen, the changes are undone O.o |
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| 16:32.31 | ckSynergy | Taintedwisp: stop posessing my editor lol |
| 16:32.37 | ckSynergy | *possessing |
| 16:32.44 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 16:33.00 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 16:33.12 | Taintedwisp | I got my asswhooped in sc2 teammatch.. |
| 16:33.15 | Taintedwisp | Shitty teammates |
| 16:33.26 | ckSynergy | uh sureeee blame your team lol |
| 16:33.28 | Taintedwisp | Both of the gold leaguers high gold leaguers... sucked. |
| 16:33.33 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 16:33.36 | Taintedwisp | I was top of the game... |
| 16:33.46 | Taintedwisp | I was holding off all 4 of them... then I ran outta money :P |
| 16:34.02 | Taintedwisp | and all expansions were taken |
| 16:34.04 | Taintedwisp | Sentry + Stalkers + Colossus :P |
| 16:34.11 | Taintedwisp | Thats what I did... |
| 16:34.40 | Taintedwisp | plus full upgrades |
| 16:34.40 | Taintedwisp | 16 warpgates |
| 16:34.41 | Taintedwisp | and 4 bases |
| 16:34.42 | Taintedwisp | I just quit when I ran outta money, they never did kill my base |
| 16:34.42 | Taintedwisp | or any of my expansions |
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| 17:11.32 | Cheekio | Hey all |
| 17:11.36 | Cheekio | I've been trying to modify a HotS-unit enabled map to highlight possible changes during the beta |
| 17:11.37 | Cheekio | and the recent UI patch (last Thursday, I believe) broke the map I was working on. |
| 17:11.39 | Cheekio | Has anyone else run into this issue? I'm having a hell of a time making a new HotS map |
| 17:11.41 | TheSkunk__ | Broke the map in what way? |
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| 17:11.43 | TheSkunk__ | I mean, its pretty unspecific to say "the latest patch broke my map" -- can't open it? something you did doesn't work? |
| 17:11.44 | Cheekio | I'm getting errors when I test it |
| 17:11.44 | Cheekio | I have the error typed out here |
| 17:11.45 | Cheekio | Gala: Script compile error: TriggerLibs/natives.galaxy[3838], Error initializing variable |
| 17:11.46 | Cheekio | Gala:Script code: const int c_placementTestCreepMask = 1 << c_placementTestCreep; |
| 17:11.46 | Cheekio | Scri: Script load failed: Error initializing variable |
| 17:11.49 | Cheekio | This is using teamtv.fr's maps which included the Green Tea AI |
| 17:12.17 | TheSkunk__ | Do you have any of your own triggers\scrips\galaxy code in the map? |
| 17:12.18 | Cheekio | I couldn't tell you how much the original author of the map added |
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| 17:13.21 | TheSkunk__ | Well you'll probably have to contact the green tea AI creator about it then |
| 17:13.25 | TheSkunk__ | All I could think is to disable all the triggers until it goes away |
| 17:13.26 | TheSkunk__ | so you can find the one causing it |
| 17:13.27 | TheSkunk__ | and then look at what might be the issue |
| 17:13.43 | Cheekio | I tried to create my own using MPQ extraction/adding dependencies |
| 17:13.43 | TheSkunk__ | Sounds like an issue with a variable, but I don't know what the cause\solution of it would be without seeing it |
| 17:13.44 | RiFT | um when i have my damage: search set for cone damage, the cone is absolute (always faces towards the bottom of the map) rather than away from the caster |
| 17:13.50 | Cheekio | but that just crashes the editor |
| 17:14.22 | TheSkunk__ | Why would you need to use MPQ extraction? |
| 17:14.59 | Cheekio | I thought making a new HotS map without using MPQ extraction didn't work |
| 17:15.15 | TheSkunk__ | Since the latest patch I don't think you need to |
| 17:15.15 | Cheekio | That way the only way to test units without arcade in the early beta |
| 17:15.23 | TheSkunk__ | but yeah, before that was the case |
| 17:16.25 | TheSkunk__ | Yeah, I can place all the new units on the map without doing anything at all |
| 17:16.34 | TheSkunk__ | now |
| 17:16.35 | Cheekio | If you try to test the map |
| 17:16.43 | Cheekio | does it appropriately spawn a player/ai opponent? |
| 17:16.48 | TheSkunk__ | I was testing running things into enemy tanks |
| 17:17.05 | TheSkunk__ | I don't know if it had ai or not, but all their stuff was there |
| 17:17.12 | Taintedwisp | Apparently this Infestor is broken.:P everyone is screaming IMBAL!!! lol, but they just started to scream this, and the infestor hasnt changed in some time |
| 17:17.31 | Cheekio | lol- that's what I'm trying to work on, Taintedwisp. |
| 17:17.36 | TheSkunk__ | Thats because a pro in a tournament built like 37 and won |
| 17:17.39 | TheSkunk__ | So now its officially OP! |
| 17:17.49 | RiFT | they've been saying it for a while |
| 17:17.49 | Taintedwisp | lol yeah |
| 17:17.57 | Cheekio | Well, officially Dustin Browder was talking about Fungal complaints back in 2011 |
| 17:18.11 | Taintedwisp | Its funny because people are still listening to IDRA, he screams OP everytime he looses... |
| 17:18.12 | Cheekio | the zerg race is balanced around one spell, two if you count Infested Terrans |
| 17:18.52 | Cheekio | Idra was surprisingly gracious when he got knocked out at MLG |
| 17:18.54 | Taintedwisp | All they have to do is Reduce the Slow of the infestor from 100% to 50% :P |
| 17:18.54 | Cheekio | There's a video where he's really down to earth talking about losing. |
| 17:18.55 | TheSkunk__ | Oh, all I meant is that's what launched the latest fad |
| 17:18.56 | RiFT | anyway, why is my cone damage always facing down instead of away from caster? |
| 17:18.57 | TheSkunk__ | Now more people are just jumping on the bandwagon then before |
| 17:19.28 | Taintedwisp | Thats a frist cheek, usually hes first to cry.... |
| 17:19.55 | Cheekio | Lol, you're 100% there |
| 17:19.59 | Cheekio | The interviewer asks "So have you gotten your mental game down?" |
| 17:20.02 | Cheekio | And Idra responds "No, I'm still an angry asshole. That doesn't go away, it's pretty ingrained in me" |
| 17:21.25 | RiFT | anyone? |
| 17:21.29 | Taintedwisp | wow |
| 17:21.38 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:22.20 | Cheekio | I wish I knew RiFT |
| 17:22.39 | RiFT | so do i just have to do a create persistent with a bunch of rapid scans? |
| 17:22.41 | RiFT | like they do with firebat? |
| 17:23.59 | Cheekio | Well holy shit this might work then |
| 17:26.29 | TheSkunk__ | yeah |
| 17:26.29 | TheSkunk__ | they mine, they control their units |
| 17:26.32 | TheSkunk__ | so I'm pretty sure it works |
| 17:26.47 | TheSkunk__ | TIL Locusts make units die with acid |
| 17:27.05 | TheSkunk__ | Protoss units don't have acid deaths, so I never knew.. |
| 17:27.34 | Cheekio | lol |
| 17:27.36 | Cheekio | are you a zerg player? |
| 17:27.41 | TheSkunk__ | No, Protoss |
| 17:27.59 | TheSkunk__ | but to test the AI I have him and me Swarm Hosts |
| 17:28.00 | Cheekio | do you like the beta? |
| 17:28.00 | TheSkunk__ | Yeah |
| 17:28.27 | Cheekio | I'm trying to make a strong case to Blizzard for switching the Roach and the Hydra |
| 17:28.52 | RiFT | it makes sense |
| 17:29.06 | Cheekio | Roaches as a 3 food, tier 2 unit |
| 17:29.13 | Cheekio | big fat guys that soak up damage |
| 17:29.15 | Cheekio | hydras as a tier 1, 1 food unit, similar to BW |
| 17:29.18 | Cheekio | faster, but range still at tier 2 |
| 17:29.55 | RiFT | cheekio, check out OneVoice |
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| 17:30.40 | RiFT | we made roach 160 health 2 armor 2 food but 100/50 |
| 17:30.43 | Taintedwisp | We get no Blizz today :( |
| 17:30.54 | Taintedwisp | My roach will whoop your roaches ass :P |
| 17:30.54 | monkalizer | you have me :) |
| 17:31.37 | Taintedwisp | 320 HP, 54 Dmg, 0/0 and no foodcost !!! only 1 armor |
| 17:31.47 | Cheekio | Where is OneVoice? |
| 17:31.50 | Cheekio | I've heard of this |
| 17:31.54 | RiFT | >.> unfortunately ItWhoSpeaks insists on keeping hydra range t1 and hydra speed t2 |
| 17:31.54 | Cheekio | I was a big fan of... OneWhoSpeaks? He made excellent posts about changes to zerg |
| 17:31.56 | Cheekio | lol |
| 17:32.27 | Cheekio | Yeah, his post was the most eloquent I've seen on restructuring zerg |
| 17:32.34 | RiFT | ya, im working with him on the map. the most recent version is "Cloud Kingdom with OneVoice Mod" |
| 17:32.49 | Cheekio | is it published to the arcade? |
| 17:32.55 | RiFT | melee |
| 17:32.56 | RiFT | >.> |
| 17:33.34 | RiFT | afaik the plan is to put off arcade until all the major changes are done |
| 17:34.43 | RiFT | right now we are working on a voidray rework so stargate protoss has a chance vs busts |
| 17:35.11 | Cheekio | I'm a big fan of the work you're doing, I'll have to check it out |
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| 17:37.18 | Cheekio | I have a bit of time to work on swapping hydras/roaches before I get back to the money mines, so I've got to maintain forcus for now |
| 17:37.23 | RiFT | ItWhoSpeaks is really the one with the vision, I'm just there to bounce ideas off of him and put it into the editor |
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| 17:38.01 | Taintedwisp | Hey Soulcarverr whats up |
| 17:38.02 | soulcarverr | hola |
| 17:40.09 | Taintedwisp | http://www.amazon.com/RISK-RI083-334-StarCraft/dp/B0079PWFJS/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1348612066&sr=8-9&keywords=starcraft+risk |
| 17:40.09 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:40.10 | Taintedwisp | Starcraft RISK |
| 17:40.11 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 17:41.33 | monkalizer | the board looks like crap but i like the units := |
| 17:41.33 | monkalizer | :) |
| 17:41.38 | Dustin|Work | I LOVE RISK |
| 17:41.38 | Taintedwisp | Trying to decide whether or not to play another 4v4... |
| 17:41.39 | Dustin|Work | AND STARCRAFT |
| 17:41.39 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 17:42.21 | Taintedwisp | I got my ass kicked last time |
| 17:43.50 | soulcarverr | non-turned based risk is lame |
| 17:44.29 | soulcarverr | interesting board game |
| 17:46.32 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 17:47.02 | Taintedwisp | But Electronic Turn based can suck too, Board game turn based is usually great though |
| 17:47.41 | Taintedwisp | Okay ill be back in 20 minutes |
| 17:47.41 | Taintedwisp | Gunna go get my ass handed to me in a 4v4 |
| 18:02.49 | ThunderLord | starcraft risk lol |
| 18:07.16 | Ahli | my current patch log has 93 lines :< |
| 18:08.00 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:08.02 | monkalizer | hehe just write that you changed "things" |
| 18:08.19 | monkalizer | and that the mod is not "improved" |
| 18:10.55 | Zolden | Ahli: it's hardcore |
| 18:11.11 | Zolden | one day u'll end up with 1753 lines patch log |
| 18:12.27 | monkalizer | where is the image map for buttons and other uis located? |
| 18:13.31 | Cheekio | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.37 | Cheekio | Where do I modify attack damage? |
| 18:13.47 | Cheekio | I'm having a hell of a time finding it under the units editor |
| 18:13.59 | monkalizer | you have to go into weapons |
| 18:14.25 | TheSkunk__ | Weapons, then find tied damage effect |
| 18:15.25 | monkalizer | the way weapons do damage varies. Sometimes its in the effect and sometimes its in the weapon directly. or so I have understood it |
| 18:15.39 | monkalizer | you can also set damage boosters with triggers |
| 18:16.20 | Cheekio | I could have sworn I modified this value before |
| 18:16.24 | duckies | huh? in what cases is damage value in weapon directly? |
| 18:16.33 | duckies | I'm pretty sure it's always in the damage effect |
| 18:16.48 | Cheekio | Thanks! It was in the damage effect |
| 18:16.52 | duckies | though there are sometimes different ways to apply said effect |
| 18:17.38 | monkalizer | whenever I speak about the data editor, It should be taken with a truckload of salt :P |
| 18:17.41 | Cheekio | Is the damage effect where upgrades affect it as well? |
| 18:18.11 | duckies | for uogrades you should go to upgrades tab, select upgrade you're interested in and inspect it |
| 18:18.46 | duckies | upgrades usually work by modifying existing effects (changing damage value for example) |
| 18:20.07 | duckies | well.. they change all of what can be changed, unit, actor, effect values and such.. |
| 18:20.36 | Cheekio | weird |
| 18:20.55 | duckies | what is bothering you? |
| 18:20.56 | Cheekio | It's not entirely clear how to make an upgrade give a unit +1 (+1 armored) |
| 18:21.21 | duckies | how to give increase units armor by 1? |
| 18:21.39 | TheSkunk__ | No, bonus damage to armored units |
| 18:21.40 | TheSkunk__ | he means |
| 18:21.45 | Cheekio | Exactly |
| 18:21.49 | duckies | ah |
| 18:21.56 | Cheekio | 7 + 3 armored into 8 + 4 armored |
| 18:22.26 | Cheekio | I figured it out, I think |
| 18:23.04 | duckies | good :D |
| 18:24.02 | Ahli | anyone knows how I can enable the preview text in the loading screen editing window? |
| 18:24.10 | Ahli | I can't reach it with tab |
| 18:24.21 | duckies | not widescreen ahli? |
| 18:24.50 | Dustin|Work | Ahli, I wish |
| 18:25.06 | Dustin|Work | I have the same problem, but it's not a screen size issue |
| 18:25.12 | duckies | I think we came to consesus that all of us that are not using advanced widescreen resolutions are a second rate mappers undeserving of such privilige as preview window :D |
| 18:25.23 | Dustin|Work | cause I have two monitors and stretch that fucker across both and it's still not right |
| 18:25.41 | Ahli | the layout of that window in the editor is bugged like all text editing windows in the editor |
| 18:26.19 | duckies | strange enough text preview in data works like it used to, it's just a trigger editor that's being a douchebag |
| 18:26.31 | Ahli | in the trigger editor, you can reach those with tab and toggle the values with space |
| 18:27.37 | Ahli | hah got it |
| 18:27.51 | Ahli | you need to select the right dropdown and tab, then you have it selected |
| 18:27.54 | Zolden | ★ |
| 18:28.48 | duckies | I love you ahli, my days of being annoyed at previewing are finally over ♥ |
| 18:29.30 | Ahli | :D |
| 18:35.08 | Dustin|Work | :O |
| 18:35.17 | Dustin|Work | Gj Ahli! |
| 18:36.54 | Cheekio | I guess I have another question |
| 18:37.02 | Dustin|Work | to bad! |
| 18:37.02 | Cheekio | How does one modify the visual size of the model? |
| 18:37.08 | Dustin|Work | Scale |
| 18:37.14 | Cheekio | Under units? |
| 18:37.16 | Dustin|Work | You can set on the Model MinScale and MaxScale |
| 18:37.38 | Dustin|Work | If they differ, it will pick a random number between those two values |
| 18:38.18 | Dustin|Work | You can also scale on the Actor |
| 18:39.03 | Cheekio | I'm not seeing it in the units editor |
| 18:39.16 | Cheekio | haha |
| 18:39.19 | Cheekio | there's a whole separate actor editor |
| 18:39.40 | Dustin|Work | There's an editor tab for all the objects |
| 18:39.54 | Dustin|Work | Actors/Models/Units/ etc |
| 18:39.59 | Cheekio | and I continue to learn at a surprisingly slow rate |
| 18:40.29 | Dustin|Work | The galaxy editor is a beast, Ive been working with it since beta and I still don't know half of the crap in there |
| 18:41.15 | Repo | New map: Special Warfare Command - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/swc/ |
| 18:42.51 | Cheekio | Alright, let's see what's broken |
| 18:43.16 | Ahli | text styles aren't loaded before loading screen??? |
| 18:43.47 | Ahli | text has shadows :( |
| 18:44.00 | Ahli | but I disabled these... used new styles |
| 18:44.11 | Zolden | ★♥ |
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| 18:51.56 | Taintedwisp | Hey Soulcarverr, You have anyidea when your going to want the map to put in that awesome leaderboard?\ |
| 18:52.21 | Taintedwisp | I'm ready whenever you are :P just give me the heads up hah. |
| 18:55.51 | soulcarverr | umm |
| 18:56.03 | soulcarverr | Ill add it in when I get closer to finishing it... |
| 18:56.14 | soulcarverr | I might work on it this week end some more |
| 18:56.23 | soulcarverr | I have a task or 2 related to it for you though |
| 18:56.41 | Taintedwisp | kk awesome |
| 18:56.45 | Taintedwisp | What do you neeD? |
| 18:56.46 | soulcarverr | mainly |
| 18:56.59 | soulcarverr | I dont wanna configure 200 images to be used for it |
| 18:57.14 | soulcarverr | basically ranking up |
| 18:57.20 | soulcarverr | gives you more icons to choose from |
| 18:57.23 | soulcarverr | thats about it |
| 18:57.30 | Taintedwisp | hmm |
| 18:57.31 | Taintedwisp | ok |
| 18:57.34 | soulcarverr | and |
| 18:57.43 | soulcarverr | i was thinking like 200 icons |
| 18:57.46 | soulcarverr | to select from |
| 18:57.49 | Taintedwisp | damn lol |
| 18:57.58 | soulcarverr | so somebody has to hard code those lol |
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| 18:58.07 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:58.09 | soulcarverr | and i figure thats a good job for you |
| 18:58.12 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 18:58.19 | Taintedwisp | 200? |
| 18:58.24 | soulcarverr | i dunno |
| 18:58.29 | Taintedwisp | Isnt it just some little icon? :P |
| 18:58.30 | soulcarverr | sounds like a decent number |
| 18:58.33 | soulcarverr | yeah |
| 18:58.57 | soulcarverr | im reserving some of the icons for a possible achiement system |
| 18:59.26 | Taintedwisp | yeah dude if its just going to be a tiny picture like that, then We dont have to have all those :P Though if we are doing a leveling system, Then There are a few rewards that we can do |
| 18:59.45 | Cheekio | damn that feels good |
| 18:59.55 | soulcarverr | clopping? |
| 19:00.06 | Taintedwisp | What you mean clopping? :P |
| 19:00.14 | soulcarverr | google it |
| 19:00.16 | Cheekio | I just made a custom map with a tier 1 hydra and a tier 2 roach |
| 19:00.39 | Cheekio | roaches look good as large models |
| 19:00.55 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:00.56 | Taintedwisp | gay |
| 19:00.57 | Cheekio | I think the hydra size is just right too, it's at .85 scale |
| 19:01.05 | Cheekio | everything needs to walk slower |
| 19:01.17 | Cheekio | And I need to lower the hydra attack period |
| 19:01.27 | Cheekio | but it's a lot closer than I expected for a first go |
| 19:02.00 | Taintedwisp | But yeah, dude we dont need all those icons, 5-10 would be fine though, Also an achievement system... ehhh, I dunno only if it can be done really good dont wanna over fill the map like MineralZevolution |
| 19:02.44 | soulcarverr | I would just leave |
| 19:02.49 | soulcarverr | a certain portion of the icons |
| 19:03.09 | soulcarverr | for a seperate achievment system to unlock at a later time |
| 19:05.09 | Taintedwisp | yeah, I mean, If you really think we need all those icons, but at the same time, I dont think its really necessary for something soo small. also if we have a leveling system, then i was thinking we could have Custom Evolutionary Fortress actors and such. Like for example A Footman Actor its just a giant footman, the attack damage and all is the ssame though |
| 19:05.34 | Taintedwisp | And maybe a Custom Teir 0 Unit |
| 19:05.54 | Taintedwisp | Or Little Icons that appear over the heads of units, though that would be a pain in the ass Me thinks |
| 19:06.21 | Cheekio | How does splash from, say, a siege tank work? |
| 19:06.34 | Cheekio | Is it like a spell, damaging units in X radius from point of impact |
| 19:06.48 | soulcarverr | look |
| 19:06.54 | soulcarverr | at the siege tanks weapons |
| 19:06.55 | Cheekio | or does it do damage to units within X distance of the target |
| 19:06.59 | soulcarverr | there are several effects |
| 19:07.04 | soulcarverr | that do different parts of the dmg |
| 19:08.24 | Cheekio | I guess I'm wondering if a huge unit like an ultralisk or a Command Center will 'shield' other units from splash |
| 19:08.44 | soulcarverr | nope |
| 19:08.56 | soulcarverr | well maybe |
| 19:08.57 | Ahli | o0 text styles do not seem to work at all in loading screen -.- |
| 19:09.13 | Cheekio | Like if you're hitting a command center with SCV's around it with a siege tank |
| 19:09.23 | Cheekio | will the SCV's all take damage? Like WoL beta Ultra's splash? |
| 19:10.06 | Dustin|Work | They dont shield |
| 19:10.12 | Dustin|Work | Splash is just a radius check |
| 19:10.18 | Dustin|Work | not a los check |
| 19:10.43 | Taintedwisp | But yeah SoulCarverr with a leveling system theres alot better things that can be done with less drone work.The Entire Base + Base Defenses can be customized. the Unit Spawners can be customized we could make it so the Rainbow Macro applys to every unit of the player haha. just saying Coding in a ton of Icons would be a waste. |
| 19:10.56 | Cheekio | radius from the center of the target unit, or is it radius + target unit radius |
| 19:11.04 | soulcarverr | eh |
| 19:11.12 | soulcarverr | its not a waste for my intentions |
| 19:11.23 | soulcarverr | and i wont be customing that kinda stuff.... |
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| 19:11.32 | soulcarverr | i leave that to you lol |
| 19:12.14 | soulcarverr | cheekio |
| 19:12.19 | soulcarverr | just go play with search effects |
| 19:12.35 | soulcarverr | or areaenumerator effects |
| 19:12.37 | soulcarverr | same thing |
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| 19:16.07 | tordy | if WoW didnt exist and blizz continued to make RTSes like WC4, would blizz become a better company? |
| 19:17.28 | Taintedwisp | yes |
| 19:17.29 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:19.15 | Zolden | don't know about the blizzard, the world would be better place |
| 19:19.33 | Zolden | billions of human-hours would be spent on something useful |
| 19:19.52 | Exaken | Probably |
| 19:20.15 | Exaken | Or would they spent there time playing other games? |
| 19:20.22 | tordy | ^ |
| 19:21.14 | tordy | i wonder what the blizz guys would think |
| 19:21.21 | Exaken | haha |
| 19:21.21 | tordy | they obv cant comment |
| 19:21.28 | tordy | but deep inside |
| 19:21.29 | Exaken | They aren't here;) |
| 19:21.30 | tordy | what do they think |
| 19:21.39 | tordy | i know, Taintedwisp scared them away |
| 19:21.49 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:22.03 | Taintedwisp | Quickly EVERYONE GO INSULT THEIR LEAVING!!! THEY WILL RETRUN :P |
| 19:24.41 | tordy | hello Taintedwisp |
| 19:24.54 | Taintedwisp | hey |
| 19:27.10 | tordy | how's it going |
| 19:27.48 | monkalizer | ok so I watched this show about michel jackson scandals, about how people are tricking and cheating and lying and backstabbing in hollywood for fame and to protect their trademarks. If I remember correctly Blizzards headquarters are there too. So, to gain power over blizzard, we should do like all hollywood people do: hire mercenaries to find out murky things about the developers. Then we can use it to push our ideas into the g |
| 19:27.56 | tordy | woah slow down |
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| 19:28.56 | Taintedwisp | blizz is not inhollywood |
| 19:29.01 | monkalizer | we can start a kickstarter collection fund to pay for it |
| 19:29.02 | Taintedwisp | they are in irvine cal |
| 19:29.13 | monkalizer | hm... could still work |
| 19:29.33 | Exaken | Kickstarter: Hire mercenaries to spy on Blizzard :D |
| 19:29.43 | monkalizer | YES! |
| 19:29.50 | tordy | happy friday btw |
| 19:30.02 | Dustin|Work | ITS FRIDAY, FRIDAY |
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| 19:30.12 | monkalizer | Sometimes my amazing intellect suprises even me |
| 19:30.23 | Dustin|Work | At least it surprises someone! |
| 19:32.32 | monkalizer | well.. it was a good idea while it remained in my head :) |
| 19:32.35 | tordy | dustin browder wassup. Hard @ work @ blizz hq i see |
| 19:33.11 | Dustin|Work | yup yup, just killing my company with bad desicions, it's a hard life |
| 19:33.49 | tordy | you cant kill ur company, bobby kotick or mike morhaime is in charge of that |
| 19:34.10 | monkalizer | the private detective in the documentary suggested going through the persons garbage, to find evidence of cheating and such |
| 19:34.53 | monkalizer | i live in sweden so it would be expensive for me, is there somone in the us that could put on some gloves and do it :) |
| 19:35.14 | Dustin|Work | Tell you what |
| 19:35.18 | Dustin|Work | Ill house swap you |
| 19:35.25 | Dustin|Work | You can come live in US and Ill go live in Sweden |
| 19:35.27 | monkalizer | i can support the venture by sending some plastic gloves |
| 19:35.49 | tordy | i thought sweden would be a great place to liv ein |
| 19:36.13 | monkalizer | and a clothespin for the smell |
| 19:36.38 | monkalizer | it is, only that it is very dark most part of the year... or relly bright |
| 19:36.41 | monkalizer | drives people crazy |
| 19:36.53 | monkalizer | sun goes up around 9 and settles at three |
| 19:37.20 | monkalizer | in the northern parts the sun never rises during the darkest days |
| 19:37.30 | monkalizer | brrr |
| 19:38.24 | tordy | guchi brrrrr |
| 19:38.56 | Dustin|Work | Doesn't sweden have like the highest standard of living out of all countries |
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| 19:39.20 | tordy | is there a way to make a bigger command card yet ? |
| 19:39.32 | tordy | in the new hots update |
| 19:39.34 | Dustin|Work | 1. Norway, 2.Australia, 3.Sweden |
| 19:39.48 | tordy | i dont mean more cards, i mean more commands per card |
| 19:39.55 | Dustin|Work | No |
| 19:39.59 | tordy | >:[ |
| 19:40.01 | monkalizer | hm... depends... http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/08/15/interactive-infographic-of-the-worlds-best-countries.html |
| 19:40.37 | monkalizer | in ranks there might be large differences but in reallity, there is not so much difference... |
| 19:41.27 | monkalizer | european and na countries rank similarly /they are clustered. there are also large differences depending on what you look at. Compare finlands education and health rank for an example |
| 19:42.26 | monkalizer | click the group buttons to understand it better |
| 19:42.40 | Saeris1 | loving this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_IN-FmxDAI&lc=APu1PwlJKQA8wvqLsdN7RgSS5tF1xNR4iDcFgwABMec&feature=inbox |
| 19:43.24 | monkalizer | its however very popular by media to write about sweden as this either crazy communist country or this paradise |
| 19:43.38 | soulcarverr | That chart.... doesnt compare half the things I consider important |
| 19:43.38 | monkalizer | it can be a bit irritating sometimes... |
| 19:44.02 | soulcarverr | When people rank countries.... it means they need something bettter to do |
| 19:44.09 | monkalizer | yep |
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| 19:44.15 | monkalizer | cool song tho |
| 19:45.15 | monkalizer | my point about country comparison: dont compare rankings. compare it using more complex statistical presentation/tables like this one. |
| 19:45.47 | monkalizer | http://www.gapminder.org/world/#$majorMode=chart$is;shi=t;ly=2003;lb=f;il=t;fs=11;al=30;stl=t;st=t;nsl=t;se=t$wst;tts=C$ts;sp=5.59290322580644;ti=2011$zpv;v=1$inc_x;mmid=XCOORDS;iid=phAwcNAVuyj1jiMAkmq1iMg;by=ind$inc_y;mmid=YCOORDS;iid=phAwcNAVuyj2tPLxKvvnNPA;by=ind$inc_s;uniValue=8.21;iid=phAwcNAVuyj0XOoBL_n5tAQ;by=ind$inc_c;uniValue=255;gid=CATID0;by=grp$map_x;scale=log;dataMin=282;dataMax=119849$map_y;scale=lin;dataMin=12;da |
| 19:46.09 | monkalizer | http://www.gapminder.org/ |
| 19:46.42 | monkalizer | another fantastic tool that has won many prises |
| 19:46.52 | *** join/#sc2mapster DeadZergling (836bae1d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.174.29) |
| 19:47.35 | soulcarverr | whats the point though? |
| 19:47.37 | tordy | hello DeadZergling |
| 19:47.45 | soulcarverr | whats the point of the graph? |
| 19:47.48 | DeadZergling | a combination of x, y, and z values, of course soul |
| 19:48.00 | soulcarverr | its all rather pointless imo |
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| 19:48.29 | tordy | you guys familiar with dryers? |
| 19:48.38 | tordy | what's a dryer that doesnt have a dust filter in the front? |
| 19:48.39 | DeadZergling | lol, you mean IRL? |
| 19:48.42 | tordy | cuz im not seeing it |
| 19:48.50 | tordy | there's gotta be one right |
| 19:48.57 | DeadZergling | yea, sometimes they are on top |
| 19:48.59 | DeadZergling | sometiems in the door |
| 19:49.02 | soulcarverr | might not have one in the front... |
| 19:49.07 | tordy | so where is it |
| 19:49.13 | tordy | out of the exhaust? |
| 19:49.14 | soulcarverr | why dont |
| 19:49.15 | soulcarverr | you google |
| 19:49.19 | soulcarverr | the model... |
| 19:49.20 | soulcarverr | or |
| 19:49.21 | DeadZergling | check the top for a long rectangular thing |
| 19:49.21 | tordy | cant even find the model |
| 19:49.26 | soulcarverr | call the manufacturer |
| 19:49.37 | tordy | cant do anything without the model |
| 19:49.37 | soulcarverr | it should all be on the back of it? |
| 19:49.42 | DeadZergling | it should stand out a lot |
| 19:49.44 | tordy | iunno im too lazy to move it right now |
| 19:49.49 | soulcarverr | well |
| 19:49.52 | soulcarverr | theres your answer |
| 19:49.54 | tordy | >:{ |
| 19:50.08 | soulcarverr | call the manufacturer |
| 19:50.22 | ckSynergy | anyone have the hots editor open? |
| 19:50.36 | tordy | they make like a bajilion different dryers, so im prob gonna need to get the model # first |
| 19:51.05 | DeadZergling | oh, you been using that ck? no wonder your map got bunked |
| 19:52.15 | tordy | damnit why does everything not work |
| 19:52.21 | tordy | does the dryer heat up eve without water inside? |
| 19:52.25 | tordy | goddamnit |
| 19:52.46 | tordy | remind them to never buy used appliances again |
| 19:52.59 | ckSynergy | no, i never got a beta invite |
| 19:53.07 | ckSynergy | and im not too keen on using it anyway till its released |
| 19:53.23 | tordy | i didnt get an invite |
| 19:53.26 | ckSynergy | I learned my lesson when I starting using the 1.5 editor and couldnt implement anything for a month lol |
| 19:53.27 | tordy | but i wouldnt mind chekcin it out |
| 19:53.50 | Repo | New map: Human Campaign - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/human-campaign/ |
| 19:53.50 | tordy | not implement anything serious, just implementing new features etc |
| 19:54.52 | Zolden | gutys, do we do map night on eu? |
| 19:56.24 | monkalizer | zeratul naked: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/media/artwork/?view#/artwork_zeratulorthos |
| 19:56.37 | monkalizer | protoss genitals are very tiny |
| 19:57.25 | Zolden | protoss genitalia? |
| 19:57.48 | monkalizer | they cant be seen |
| 19:58.04 | Zolden | maybe they are inside |
| 19:58.12 | Zolden | like the horses' ones |
| 19:58.24 | Zolden | have you seen horse emerged dick? it's huge |
| 19:58.26 | monkalizer | ^^ |
| 19:58.40 | monkalizer | yep live next to a stable |
| 19:58.40 | Zolden | but you can't see anything when it's disassembled |
| 19:59.08 | Zolden | so, maybe carrier is protoss dick |
| 19:59.16 | Zolden | and interceptors is sperm |
| 19:59.23 | Zolden | we don't know |
| 20:00.16 | monkalizer | the mysteries of the universe |
| 20:11.43 | DeadZergling | no wonder zeratul has no heirs |
| 20:12.56 | monkalizer | mhm |
| 20:13.33 | monkalizer | check out those arts, they are really nice. I think i looked them through a couple of years ago but forgotten about them :) |
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| 20:22.15 | Saeris1 | hmmm |
| 20:22.36 | Saeris1 | gonna stream for a bit while i do some texture conversion work |
| 20:22.42 | Saeris1 | http://www.twitch.tv/Ansrath |
| 20:32.35 | monkalizer | do you make your normal maps in photoshop? |
| 20:35.01 | Saeris1 | yea using this fancy app called nDo2 |
| 20:35.11 | Saeris1 | at least for these WoW textures i'm working with |
| 20:38.24 | Ahli | oh god that music |
| 20:38.35 | Saeris1 | i listen to old 80's crap =P |
| 20:38.39 | Saeris1 | blame Vice City |
| 20:38.42 | Ahli | :D |
| 20:44.38 | Zolden | duck |
| 20:44.42 | Zolden | duckies: |
| 20:44.49 | Zolden | tanks? |
| 20:46.43 | duckies | hey zolden |
| 20:46.49 | ckSynergy | anyone familiar with animations and actors? |
| 20:46.57 | duckies | I'm sorry, I'm playing heaven besieged on NA at the moment :s |
| 20:47.16 | duckies | I .. just ... can't stop playing that map D: |
| 20:47.30 | Zolden | ok :) |
| 21:01.05 | monkalizer | aw yeah, just made my first custom blizzard syle button :) |
| 21:01.44 | monkalizer | now I just have to figure out how to get it into the game... |
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| 21:13.39 | Saeris1 | hmmm |
| 21:14.20 | Saeris1 | found a problem with my stream, will restart it in a min |
| 21:18.43 | Ahli | music stopped |
| 21:21.13 | Saeris1 | alright |
| 21:21.14 | Saeris1 | back up |
| 21:21.28 | Saeris1 | wasn't capturing the nDo2 interface cuz it was a layered window |
| 21:26.14 | Saeris1 | yawn |
| 21:26.15 | Saeris1 | brb |
| 21:26.16 | Saeris1 | food |
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| 21:42.30 | Saeris | alright back |
| 21:45.17 | Repo | New map: Will of Aiur - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/will-aiur/ |
| 21:52.13 | zlefin | i wish i had a bunch of high-ish level players i could use to test strat ideas |
| 21:55.16 | Saeris | wish i had new glasses already. can barely see what i'm typing |
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| 22:23.31 | Saeris | alright, nuff streaming for now |
| 22:23.59 | Dustin|Work | What were you streaming |
| 22:24.13 | Saeris | just working on some textures |
| 22:24.34 | Dustin|Work | coool |
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| 22:44.17 | Bounty | >.< |
| 22:44.51 | DeadZergling | im out for now before bounty starts whining again |
| 22:44.58 | Bounty | ? |
| 22:45.25 | Bounty | da fuck |
| 22:46.36 | Dustin|Work | Were you going to whine? lol |
| 22:46.43 | Bounty | no |
| 22:46.51 | Bounty | why would it be assumed i would? |
| 22:47.36 | Bounty | neways |
| 22:47.46 | Bounty | Some dude named the "Diablo Billionaire" contacted me |
| 22:47.55 | Bounty | and he wants to "work" with me lol |
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| 22:49.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | hey friends |
| 22:49.14 | Bounty | Its just me |
| 22:49.16 | Bounty | >.< |
| 22:49.28 | Bounty | How are you |
| 22:49.33 | Blizz-Deletarius | just dandy |
| 22:49.35 | Dustin|Work | heya |
| 22:49.35 | Blizz-Deletarius | yourself? |
| 22:49.44 | Bounty | fantastic |
| 22:49.53 | Dustin|Work | Ill be better in 10 minutes |
| 22:49.57 | Dustin|Work | When I can leave! |
| 22:49.57 | Saeris | http://i.imgur.com/FwYfI.jpg quick example of the textures I was making earlier. Took the Diffuse straight out of WoW and used nDo2 to generate the Normal and AO maps, Specular was just done quickly in photoshop. |
| 22:50.11 | Bounty | I'm remaking Fat Princess in SC2, please tell me you have heard of/know what Fat Princess is Deletarius |
| 22:50.21 | zlefin | hi |
| 22:50.22 | Bounty | Apparently im the only person in the SC2 community who knows what it is |
| 22:50.24 | Dustin|Work | That texture is the sex |
| 22:50.33 | Saeris | thanks =) |
| 22:50.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | looks like your normal and AO is getting clipped at the edges |
| 22:50.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | otherwise nice looking texture |
| 22:51.07 | Saeris | yea program isn't perfect, but it gets good results fast |
| 22:51.25 | Blizz-Deletarius | nDo2? |
| 22:51.29 | Saeris | yea |
| 22:51.31 | Blizz-Deletarius | what's that? |
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| 22:51.44 | Saeris | it's a photoshop plugin ish |
| 22:51.47 | Saeris | sec |
| 22:51.48 | Blizz-Deletarius | ahh |
| 22:51.53 | TheSkunk__ | Hullo |
| 22:51.59 | Bounty | Ello |
| 22:52.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | xNormal/roadkill/ nvidia plugs here |
| 22:52.09 | Saeris | http://www.quixel.se/index2.php |
| 22:52.13 | Bounty | Skunk, have you ever heard of the game Fat Princess? |
| 22:52.23 | TheSkunk__ | No |
| 22:52.28 | Bounty | ..... |
| 22:52.33 | Bounty | Well |
| 22:52.36 | Dustin|Work | I love Fat Princess |
| 22:52.37 | TheSkunk__ | Why should I? |
| 22:52.54 | Bounty | Either my new game is going to do amazing because nobody knows what its based on, or everyone will hate it because nobody likes it |
| 22:53.01 | Bounty | Because im remaking it |
| 22:53.04 | Bounty | in SC2 |
| 22:53.06 | TheSkunk__ | I've never owned a console, only non-pc thing I've used is gameboy advanced, maybe 2-3 games on int |
| 22:53.06 | Bounty | Gnolls VS Trolls :) |
| 22:53.07 | Saeris | I prefer working with this program over xNormal because I can see the results in real time |
| 22:53.07 | Dustin|Work | good man |
| 22:53.08 | Dustin|Work | BOunty |
| 22:53.13 | Dustin|Work | I want to help you make it |
| 22:53.23 | Bounty | im almost done |
| 22:53.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:53.27 | Dustin|Work | Lol what |
| 22:53.48 | Dustin|Work | You disappear for like 2 days and comeback with completed maps |
| 22:53.48 | Bounty | all i gotta do is make the currency spendable |
| 22:53.52 | Saeris | I don't really use it for it's extended features though, such as being able to paint nromals and see them applied to a model in real time |
| 22:53.53 | Dustin|Work | Fucking crazy :P |
| 22:53.57 | Bounty | on repairing the door and upgrading the buildings |
| 22:54.02 | Bounty | everything else is done |
| 22:54.09 | Bounty | :) |
| 22:54.18 | Dustin|Work | Let's try it out tonight hten Bounty |
| 22:54.22 | TheSkunk__ | Ahli, whats the name of your map again? |
| 22:54.23 | Dustin|Work | then* |
| 22:54.28 | Bounty | idk Dustin |
| 22:54.31 | Bounty | hard to get testers |
| 22:54.35 | Bounty | ppl think the combat is to bland |
| 22:54.40 | Ahli | temple siege 2 |
| 22:54.44 | Bounty | mostly because we never played a full game |
| 22:54.46 | Bounty | Its a 7v7 |
| 22:54.54 | Bounty | ive only tested it with like 1 or 2 other players |
| 22:54.58 | Dustin|Work | How did you setup the combat |
| 22:55.03 | Bounty | the same way |
| 22:55.06 | Dustin|Work | Auto attacking or click to attack? |
| 22:55.08 | TheSkunk__ | ty |
| 22:55.08 | Bounty | left click to do normal attack |
| 22:55.09 | Dustin|Work | nice |
| 22:55.10 | Saeris | brb |
| 22:55.12 | Bounty | hold left click |
| 22:55.14 | Bounty | to charge |
| 22:55.19 | Dustin|Work | Is it published? |
| 22:55.19 | Bounty | release at full charge to do ur charge attack |
| 22:55.23 | Bounty | hell no |
| 22:55.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:55.36 | Bounty | oh and i didnt add the Queens in yet |
| 22:55.39 | Bounty | that you capture |
| 22:55.41 | Bounty | forgot about that |
| 22:55.44 | Bounty | kind of important |
| 22:55.45 | Bounty | >.< |
| 22:55.48 | Dustin|Work | Well Then I wanna at least see it tonight or sometime this weekend :P |
| 22:55.52 | Dustin|Work | Lmao |
| 22:55.55 | Bounty | Sure |
| 22:55.58 | Dustin|Work | The whole point of the game |
| 22:56.12 | Dustin|Work | We're sorry, the princess is in another house! |
| 22:56.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:56.31 | Bounty | I just the game doesnt fail bc of the combat |
| 22:56.37 | Bounty | its literally the same exact thing as Fat Princess |
| 22:56.47 | Dustin|Work | Good, I liked FP combat |
| 22:56.59 | Dustin|Work | You got all the classes and shit made? |
| 22:57.05 | Bounty | all except the Ranger |
| 22:57.12 | Bounty | but ill have him done in like 10 minutes |
| 22:57.16 | Dustin|Work | Nice |
| 22:57.20 | Bounty | whenever i decide to make him |
| 22:57.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:57.33 | Bounty | oh and the game looks cartoony |
| 22:57.34 | Dustin|Work | Fuck this place, Im going home! |
| 22:57.45 | Dustin|Work | OH ya? Did you alter lighting or something |
| 22:57.46 | Bounty | If you're playing on medium settings or higher i have it to look sort of cell shaded |
| 22:57.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | language |
| 22:57.50 | Blizz-Deletarius | wow |
| 22:58.09 | Bounty | Let me take a picture |
| 22:58.13 | Dustin|Work | kk |
| 22:58.13 | Bounty | :) |
| 22:58.23 | Dustin|Work | Yes, we are speaking a language |
| 22:58.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:58.32 | Dustin|Work | :) |
| 22:58.36 | Bounty | oh you |
| 22:59.00 | Bounty | ill take a picture of me chopping down a tree |
| 22:59.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:59.07 | Bounty | as a worker |
| 22:59.09 | Dustin|Work | yay tree killing |
| 22:59.15 | Bounty | btw |
| 22:59.18 | Bounty | all the same abilities aswell |
| 22:59.22 | Bounty | you can throw bombs as worker level 2 |
| 22:59.23 | Dustin|Work | Nice |
| 22:59.24 | Bounty | :) |
| 22:59.25 | Dustin|Work | Is it WASD? |
| 22:59.31 | Bounty | yeah |
| 22:59.33 | Dustin|Work | cool |
| 22:59.43 | Dustin|Work | Ill check out the SS when I get home |
| 22:59.46 | Dustin|Work | gotta head |
| 22:59.47 | Dustin|Work | later |
| 22:59.51 | Bounty | da fuck |
| 22:59.55 | Bounty | i was about to post it |
| 22:59.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:59.57 | Dustin|Work | oh |
| 22:59.58 | Dustin|Work | well post it |
| 23:00.02 | Dustin|Work | And Ill look at it |
| 23:00.02 | Bounty | sec |
| 23:00.32 | Bounty | wow |
| 23:00.35 | Bounty | SC2 crashed |
| 23:00.44 | Bounty | when i logged in |
| 23:00.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:00.47 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 23:00.58 | Bounty | 1 sec |
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| 23:02.23 | Saeris | too bad this program kinda sucks at lighting custom models, results only really look good on the default objects |
| 23:02.35 | Bounty | Have you ever heard of Fat Princess Deletarius |
| 23:02.42 | Dustin|Work | Ok I gotta go |
| 23:02.46 | Dustin|Work | Gotta catch the bus |
| 23:02.49 | Bounty | np |
| 23:02.54 | Dustin|Work | bbl |
| 23:10.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | afk |
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| 23:16.22 | Taintedwisp | Hey Deletarius |
| 23:16.41 | Taintedwisp | I think my team member may be gone :( |
| 23:17.12 | Bounty | why the FUCK dont Dialogs scale |
| 23:17.20 | Bounty | i had something centered in windowed mode |
| 23:17.27 | Bounty | but when you go full screen its all fucked up |
| 23:19.43 | Bounty | neways heres me running the lumber back to my teams base after chopping down this tree |
| 23:19.44 | Bounty | http://i47.tinypic.com/npnmoh.jpg |
| 23:19.45 | A1win | they do scale, just not perfectly ;p |
| 23:19.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:21.43 | Taintedwisp | Whoa mr Retired bounty, what you workin on? |
| 23:21.55 | Bounty | remaking Fat Princess in SC2 |
| 23:21.59 | Taintedwisp | :P you try to leave but it just keeps callin you back aye? |
| 23:22.02 | Taintedwisp | hahah |
| 23:22.15 | Taintedwisp | Well cant wait to play it :P |
| 23:22.26 | Bounty | will be awhile at the rate i get testers |
| 23:22.30 | Bounty | never had more then me and one other person |
| 23:22.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:22.48 | Taintedwisp | LOL, hey I had the first alpha test of EvoFrenzy |
| 23:23.12 | Bounty | and the only 2 ppl said something and they said that the combat felt stale |
| 23:23.14 | Taintedwisp | Went decently well |
| 23:23.20 | Taintedwisp | I got a full house in about 5 minutes |
| 23:23.21 | Taintedwisp | ::P |
| 23:23.22 | Bounty | even though it is a direct remake of the fat princess combat system |
| 23:23.28 | Taintedwisp | needed 5 people I got them rather quicker then expected |
| 23:23.34 | Taintedwisp | I guess people just like Frenzy Maps though |
| 23:23.51 | A1win | what's the gameplay in frenzy maps |
| 23:24.19 | Taintedwisp | Mass units, Kill the other players base with your mass amounts of units and hero |
| 23:24.34 | Bounty | From the SS i just linked, do you think that looks cartoonish enough? |
| 23:24.59 | Taintedwisp | HhAhAH it looks like everymap for me on low settings :P |
| 23:25.10 | Taintedwisp | So i will be abl eto play this one on low settings :P |
| 23:25.24 | A1win | I guess I need a new name for my map, it's not exactly a frenzy map or a tug of war or dota... |
| 23:25.27 | Bounty | nope |
| 23:25.31 | A1win | I mean a new genre name |
| 23:25.35 | Bounty | low settings = no lighting |
| 23:25.41 | Taintedwisp | Yeah so? |
| 23:25.52 | Bounty | you only need medium settings to see the cartoonish look though |
| 23:26.10 | Taintedwisp | On low settings it will look exactly like hat |
| 23:26.11 | Taintedwisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.16 | Taintedwisp | just wont see the grass |
| 23:26.22 | Taintedwisp | err Foliage |
| 23:27.29 | Taintedwisp | Damn I dont have any pictures of MIni CHop Farms on Low settings |
| 23:27.40 | A1win | and I'm afraid this is too close to dota now... |
| 23:27.46 | Taintedwisp | Has same color scheme was going to show you |
| 23:27.50 | A1win | not sure though as I still haven't played dota :P |
| 23:28.16 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skyMqXs1D5A&feature=g-upl |
| 23:28.19 | Taintedwisp | Thats a frenzy map |
| 23:28.25 | Taintedwisp | Though I dont actually show gameplay fromt hat |
| 23:29.08 | Taintedwisp | BOunty |
| 23:29.08 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AgqpumQTVLc |
| 23:29.14 | Taintedwisp | Youtube Darkens my Map though |
| 23:29.42 | Taintedwisp | Still looks very cartoonish though |
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| 23:35.08 | Dustin | Sup |
| 23:46.33 | Dustin | Bounty, |
| 23:46.43 | Bounty | http://i47.tinypic.com/npnmoh.jpg |
| 23:46.53 | Bounty | There ya go Dustin |
| 23:47.06 | Bounty | thats me running lumber back to my teams base after chopping down that tree |
| 23:49.31 | A1win | I think that's a bit too bright even for a cartoonish look |
| 23:49.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | ^ |
| 23:49.53 | Bounty | I didnt touch brightness at all |
| 23:50.07 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 23:50.10 | A1win | then you should :P |
| 23:50.32 | Bounty | If people complain about it in game then sure :) |
| 23:50.46 | A1win | why not fix it before they complain |
| 23:51.00 | Bounty | Because i think its looks nice as it is, i could be wrong though |
| 23:51.36 | Bounty | This game is going to go under heavy testing before its released |
| 23:51.49 | Bounty | Most likely it will never get tested because i cannot get enough ppl and will never be released lol |
| 23:51.55 | Bounty | Its a 7v7 |
| 23:51.58 | A1win | hehe |
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| 23:53.58 | Taintedwisp | HEY, SC2 PATCH NOT HOTS PATCH INCOMING!!! |
| 23:54.03 | Taintedwisp | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/7826684/Global_Play_Coming_to_StarCraft_II-11_9_2012 |
| 23:54.23 | Bounty | woopty doo |
| 23:54.25 | Exaken | "in the coming months." |
| 23:54.29 | Bounty | ^ |
| 23:54.30 | Taintedwisp | oh lol |
| 23:54.35 | Taintedwisp | Well could be worse... |
| 23:54.36 | Taintedwisp | could be soon |
| 23:54.43 | Bounty | i hate when ppl say that lol |
| 23:54.43 | Taintedwisp | In the coming months is 2-5 months ahah |
| 23:54.49 | Bounty | it could ALWAYS be worse |
| 23:54.51 | Bounty | always |
| 23:54.57 | Bounty | unless you're dead |
| 23:55.03 | Bounty | thats the only time it cannot be worse |
| 23:55.05 | Taintedwisp | No it could be worse then that |
| 23:55.09 | Taintedwisp | Could have bounties life |
| 23:55.10 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 23:55.18 | Bounty | usofunny |
| 23:55.50 | Bounty | Should i just stop coming in this shithole if this is all im going to hear? |
| 23:56.10 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 23:56.15 | Taintedwisp | bounty you know we love oyu |
| 23:56.32 | Bounty | Doesnt seem like it lol |
| 23:56.35 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 23:56.42 | Taintedwisp | Im a natural hater anyways haha |
| 23:57.11 | Bounty | Show it by calling me an asshole or something, not by insulting my current life situation which in a way insults not only me but my entire family >.< |
| 23:57.15 | Taintedwisp | Nah, im just glad your still mapping even if on nothing huge |
| 23:57.22 | Taintedwisp | lol, ok |
| 23:57.24 | Taintedwisp | Asshole |
| 23:57.35 | Bounty | Thanks <3 |
| 23:57.45 | Bounty | Keep it professional |
| 23:57.46 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 23:57.51 | Taintedwisp | ok dickface |
| 23:57.53 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 23:57.59 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 23:58.09 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cheekything (~Cheekythi@cpc2-oxfd18-2-0-cust861.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 23:58.13 | Bounty | speaking of dickface http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpK3U4rTqHo |
| 23:59.30 | Exaken | haha xD |
