| 00:01.44 | RiFT | it feels silly but reddit is for sharing links, idk if you actually get better discussion by directing them all to the same place vs separate conversations on each forum |
| 00:02.33 | Triceron | I feel like I have to do that to promote anything going on at SC2mapster :P |
| 00:02.55 | Triceron | I kinda wish it was just the definitive place instead of smaller groups of smaller communities all around |
| 00:03.53 | Triceron | but mapster itself moves at a snails pace too |
| 00:04.35 | RiFT | well im catching up at a snail's pace so i dont mind |
| 00:04.49 | Triceron | not saying it's bad |
| 00:05.05 | Triceron | just that it doesn't get a whole lot of traffic from the rest of the community |
| 00:05.06 | DeadZergling | I'd kill for a snail's pace |
| 00:05.27 | Triceron | namely the people who you want playing the maps, not just the developers who don't really have time to admire your work |
| 00:05.34 | DeadZergling | I'm pretty sure lately I am actually making negative progress towards getting further on my project, lol |
| 00:05.42 | RiFT | o.O |
| 00:06.00 | RiFT | you mean you are finding issues faster than you can fix them or what? |
| 00:06.25 | DeadZergling | finding issues, having less time to work on them (aka as newborn twins) |
| 00:07.18 | DeadZergling | just feeling far behind in general |
| 00:07.32 | DeadZergling | next time I'll just make a defense map or something easy |
| 00:07.34 | DeadZergling | like that |
| 00:07.38 | Triceron | you working dead? |
| 00:07.45 | DeadZergling | aye |
| 00:07.59 | DeadZergling | work 40 hours a week, am attempting to sleep/care for twins most the other times, lol |
| 00:08.09 | Triceron | then you have a perfect excuse :) |
| 00:09.09 | DeadZergling | I could get some stuff done before the twins, but right now |
| 00:09.21 | DeadZergling | I feel guilty about sleeping too much |
| 00:09.50 | DeadZergling | lol anyways, yea, progress been pretty shit |
| 00:11.40 | soulcarverr | hey dead |
| 00:11.45 | DeadZergling | hi soul |
| 00:12.15 | soulcarverr | im having an issue that i cant figure out for the life of me |
| 00:12.34 | soulcarverr | regarding loading a value from bank and the vigi to dec not handing something |
| 00:13.14 | soulcarverr | first to values in the string it reads fine. 3rd it cant read |
| 00:13.16 | soulcarverr | ... |
| 00:13.21 | soulcarverr | even have more after it |
| 00:13.39 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm, not at home right now |
| 00:13.49 | DeadZergling | anyway you can let me see what your function looks like right now? |
| 00:15.19 | soulcarverr | on skype? |
| 00:15.30 | DeadZergling | not at home, no skype on here |
| 00:15.40 | DeadZergling | could send a PM on mapster |
| 00:15.43 | soulcarverr | basically ... i have a function that gets next value from the string |
| 00:15.53 | soulcarverr | and removes the gotten value from it |
| 00:15.58 | soulcarverr | then it takes what it grabs |
| 00:16.06 | soulcarverr | and sends it to your vigi to deci |
| 00:16.11 | soulcarverr | my main problem |
| 00:16.38 | soulcarverr | i dont have a main problem actually |
| 00:16.47 | soulcarverr | it appears to be correct in the bank file |
| 00:17.50 | DeadZergling | so you saying it is always the third value that is wrong? |
| 00:19.16 | DeadZergling | looking at the function now, you didn't reenable any of the stuff I had // ed out, did you? |
| 00:19.57 | Taintedwisp | Hows everything going SoulCarver |
| 00:19.58 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 00:20.26 | soulcarverr | im still testing it |
| 00:20.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster Dustin__ (62a40a24@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.164.10.36) |
| 00:20.50 | Dustin__ | hi |
| 00:21.21 | DeadZergling | hello again dustin, who is no longer at work, lol |
| 00:21.25 | Taintedwisp | Nice |
| 00:22.23 | DeadZergling | function looks fine to me, it should be handling anything, at least within the preset int limits, whatever those might be |
| 00:22.46 | DeadZergling | i haven't altered the function in months, so can look at it in an old file no problem |
| 00:23.11 | DeadZergling | let me look at the helper function too |
| 00:23.16 | DeadZergling | that could be an issue |
| 00:23.32 | *** join/#sc2mapster zlefin (~zlefin@pool-173-48-173-195.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 00:24.14 | Dustin__ | Yeah, fuck work :D |
| 00:24.42 | soulcarverr | well its my first try at any string manipulation in sc2 so i might be overlooking something as well |
| 00:24.58 | Taintedwisp | Dustin is really dustin Browder, dont let him tell you otherwise... Who you gunna trust, a Strait cool guy like my self, or a pansy like him? |
| 00:25.00 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 00:25.06 | Dustin__ | :O |
| 00:25.07 | DeadZergling | i'd be curious what input it is receiving |
| 00:25.10 | Taintedwisp | hah |
| 00:25.23 | Dustin__ | soulcarverr: you having an issue? |
| 00:26.13 | DeadZergling | vigitodechelper is looking correct as well, must be giving it a bad parameter |
| 00:26.35 | DeadZergling | yea, he is having number conversion fun, lol |
| 00:27.20 | Dustin__ | Nice |
| 00:27.46 | DeadZergling | he knew I used vigicimal base numbers in my map to keep the bank more compact |
| 00:27.55 | DeadZergling | so I let him have my functions for it |
| 00:28.58 | soulcarverr | yeah its pretty simple for the most part |
| 00:29.29 | soulcarverr | this is where flag things for the debugger to stop at |
| 00:29.38 | soulcarverr | but you cant do that |
| 00:29.52 | zlefin | this channel seems nice |
| 00:30.13 | DeadZergling | it is when certain people who shall not be named are not in int |
| 00:30.15 | DeadZergling | *it |
| 00:30.17 | zlefin | how much talk is there about sc2 design theory/principles/ideas? |
| 00:30.34 | DeadZergling | oh, not too often is it that grand |
| 00:30.41 | Triceron | a lot less than the trolling ;) |
| 00:30.42 | DeadZergling | is usually, why the #%%# won't this work |
| 00:30.46 | DeadZergling | any ideas |
| 00:31.09 | soulcarverr | hmm? |
| 00:31.27 | Vindicator | zlefin: are you looking for design ideas etc? |
| 00:31.37 | DeadZergling | Oh I'm just saying |
| 00:31.44 | DeadZergling | we don't have grand discussions typically |
| 00:31.53 | DeadZergling | Just someone's shit is broke, they looking/hoping for ideas |
| 00:32.01 | A1win | it's not very useful to talk about improving a game's design when you don't have that much power to actually affect it |
| 00:32.05 | zlefin | no, i was jsut looking for interesting discussion, i tried joining/posting tl, but dont' get much there |
| 00:32.07 | A1win | so people tend to do that less |
| 00:32.16 | zlefin | well, there's always making more balanced mods for sc2 |
| 00:32.24 | Triceron | we'll have balance discussions occassionally, but usually it ends up as ranting |
| 00:32.25 | A1win | mm mods sure |
| 00:32.46 | A1win | well, if there were people interested in mods |
| 00:32.47 | A1win | :P |
| 00:32.53 | A1win | so not that much |
| 00:32.58 | Triceron | do a lot of people play balance mods though, that's the question |
| 00:33.00 | zlefin | yeah, the hard part is getting peopel to play them |
| 00:33.08 | Kueken | well, we usually have interesting fundamental religious or philosophical discussions here :D |
| 00:33.26 | Kueken | hm |
| 00:33.35 | A1win | "interesting" |
| 00:33.40 | Kueken | should probably write "interesting" |
| 00:33.44 | zlefin | just today i was pondering how elements of design in wc3 and starchanmebr felt different from sc2, especially as it relates to containment |
| 00:33.45 | Kueken | argh |
| 00:33.52 | Kueken | ninja-ed in irc |
| 00:34.23 | zlefin | and how it might be more interesting gameplay in sc2 if there were more on map resources to make map control more relevant, as it is in those other games |
| 00:34.26 | Kueken | damn ninjas are everywhere! |
| 00:34.26 | Ahli | http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/OneMoreGame |
| 00:34.32 | A1win | I'm designing a hack'n'slash board game, this is so much more fun than SC2 mapping >;3 |
| 00:34.48 | RiFT | hack and slash board game? |
| 00:35.12 | zlefin | but i haven't gotten in mcuh discussion on it yet |
| 00:35.14 | A1win | you know like HeroQuest or Descent: Journeys in the Dark (there are probably others but those are the only one's I've played) |
| 00:35.22 | zlefin | soudns reasonable |
| 00:35.26 | Kueken | he takes a baseball bat to clear a chess field :D |
| 00:35.27 | zlefin | remind sme of bloodbowl |
| 00:35.30 | A1win | I guess they're referred to as dungeon crawlers more than hack'n'slash |
| 00:35.30 | Triceron | ooooh hero quest |
| 00:35.33 | Triceron | turn based then? |
| 00:35.40 | A1win | yeah, it's a board game :P |
| 00:35.44 | Triceron | dungeon hack |
| 00:35.48 | zlefin | i used my hero quest figures for bloodbowl |
| 00:35.59 | A1win | I mean not in SC2, an actual board game |
| 00:36.10 | Triceron | oh psh |
| 00:36.31 | A1win | thought that was obvious from the first statement D: |
| 00:36.54 | zlefin | i'd like to make a sc2 thats' balanced on all map types |
| 00:37.24 | zlefin | and to rant: they should change how innate base defense works in sc |
| 00:37.40 | soulcarverr | ok |
| 00:37.41 | soulcarverr | so |
| 00:37.57 | soulcarverr | does anybody know how to change the font that the debug text window uses? |
| 00:38.28 | Ahli | djwheat shouting in the microphone at destiny :D |
| 00:40.46 | soulcarverr | ok yes |
| 00:40.54 | soulcarverr | my problem is how i remove the substring |
| 00:42.44 | Dustin__ | how you remove it? |
| 00:44.30 | soulcarverr | data string = substring of datastring ( 8 , length of datastring - 8) |
| 00:44.39 | soulcarverr | it seems to be removing 16 chars |
| 00:44.41 | soulcarverr | and not 8 though |
| 00:46.15 | zlefin | which 16 chars is it removing? |
| 00:46.18 | soulcarverr | data string = substring of datastring ( 9 , length of datastring - 8) |
| 00:46.30 | soulcarverr | the first ones |
| 00:46.38 | zlefin | it looks like that substring should be removing the first and last 8 from the string |
| 00:46.43 | soulcarverr | im removing the first 8 characters |
| 00:46.51 | soulcarverr | and using them as a value |
| 00:47.06 | soulcarverr | well |
| 00:47.13 | soulcarverr | the function description says |
| 00:47.20 | soulcarverr | the second paramter is a count of chars |
| 00:47.22 | soulcarverr | and not position |
| 00:47.34 | zlefin | have you tested to make sure that description is accurate? |
| 00:47.34 | soulcarverr | if its position thats my problem then |
| 00:47.49 | DeadZergling | pretty sure they are both positions |
| 00:48.06 | zlefin | easy enough to test, and well wroth doing i'd say |
| 00:48.56 | soulcarverr | does anybody know how to change the fonts of the ingame text windows |
| 00:49.04 | soulcarverr | this debug window is useless after the patch |
| 00:49.08 | soulcarverr | the font is too huge |
| 01:08.22 | Dustin__ | soulcarverr: |
| 01:08.28 | Dustin__ | Have you figured your thing out yet |
| 01:08.29 | soulcarverr | hola? |
| 01:08.31 | soulcarverr | yeah |
| 01:08.44 | soulcarverr | the second parameter is position in string |
| 01:09.03 | soulcarverr | not a count from the first parameter |
| 01:13.21 | RiFT | so the only way for an upgrade to affect splash is to hook it into a switch with a new weapon effect? |
| 01:17.04 | soulcarverr | ah |
| 01:17.09 | soulcarverr | its all working not |
| 01:17.10 | soulcarverr | now |
| 01:17.36 | zlefin | cool |
| 01:26.34 | Kueken | RiFT: You can skip the switch and just upgrade the weapon's effect field, I think |
| 01:26.38 | zlefin | i think there should be a way to modify it directly RiFT |
| 01:26.40 | soulcarverr | yeah for tracking career wins/loses/leaves |
| 01:27.40 | RiFT | but the weapon effect fields wont let me edit the search function on the weapon effect |
| 01:27.42 | *** part/#sc2mapster Ahli (~casdasdqq@dslb-188-101-188-241.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 01:28.37 | zlefin | hmm, i don't know how to do it, so i can only speculate, |
| 01:29.19 | zlefin | i'd guess you have to specify all the subfields so it can get to the right one, i tried opening them up with the + in the editor to get the subfield paths, but i'm not sure how you're supposed to type it into the upgrade editor |
| 01:34.21 | soulcarverr | tainted you here? |
| 01:34.31 | soulcarverr | i need a ginnie pig |
| 01:34.55 | soulcarverr | umm |
| 01:35.02 | soulcarverr | are they preexsisting stuff? |
| 01:35.15 | soulcarverr | sometimes you cant edit the raw data objects |
| 01:35.24 | soulcarverr | make a duplicate of it and use that |
| 01:38.38 | Kueken | zlefin: you can usually select all changeable stuff from dropdowns in the upgrade editor. Anything not in the list should not be changeable at all |
| 01:38.53 | Kueken | even via trigger |
| 01:39.09 | zlefin | tell rift that, he's the one asking :P |
| 01:39.15 | Saeris | bleh... I'm so sick of people like FockeWulf in the community |
| 01:41.38 | Triceron | :P |
| 01:42.18 | soulcarverr | whys that? |
| 01:42.21 | soulcarverr | whats he doing? |
| 01:43.44 | Saeris | being an idiot. he's the prime example of what's wrong with the community as a whole, espcially in claiming that he speaks for all of us |
| 01:44.04 | Saeris | too many people like him spreading doom and gloom |
| 01:44.26 | Saeris | and acting supremely entitled |
| 01:45.57 | soulcarverr | dead you still here? |
| 01:46.08 | soulcarverr | your converter doesnt handle negative doesit |
| 01:46.36 | zlefin | any good balance rants lately? |
| 01:49.46 | Triceron | lots on TL |
| 01:50.00 | zlefin | yeah, but i seen those |
| 01:50.03 | zlefin | was looking for something esle |
| 01:50.16 | Saeris | not really gonna find it here i don't think |
| 01:50.28 | zlefin | balance discussions then? |
| 01:51.00 | Saeris | speaking for myself, I don't play the game itself very much. I just work in the editor |
| 01:51.19 | Saeris | think most people here are in a similar situation |
| 01:51.31 | Triceron | yeah, lots of us don't really play |
| 01:51.44 | Saeris | certainly not much melee, lol |
| 01:51.53 | Triceron | the most would be watching |
| 01:52.20 | Taintedwisp | bwhhahaha |
| 01:53.04 | soulcarverr | ok tainted |
| 01:53.07 | soulcarverr | ready? |
| 01:54.00 | Taintedwisp | Yup |
| 01:54.02 | Taintedwisp | im online |
| 01:54.38 | zlefin | i don't play much either, doesn't mean i don't know how to balance the game |
| 01:54.52 | soulcarverr | kk |
| 01:54.59 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (442ccc3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.44.204.59) |
| 01:55.07 | Bounty | How hard would it be to go from the SC2 editor to something like Unity |
| 01:55.08 | soulcarverr | balance is in the eye of the beholder |
| 01:55.11 | soulcarverr | so yeah |
| 01:55.22 | Dustin__ | bounty, pretty steep curve |
| 01:55.34 | Dustin__ | esp with workflow |
| 01:55.39 | Bounty | Would i even have a chance? |
| 01:55.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:55.51 | Triceron | yeah |
| 01:55.58 | Triceron | but it's a lot of dev work |
| 01:56.10 | Bounty | explain |
| 01:56.18 | Saeris | i think you would spend most of your time learning to use the program first, then if you don't have assets on hand, you either have to learn to make them or buy them |
| 01:56.19 | Bounty | I assume you're talking about assets wise? |
| 01:56.20 | Triceron | well, you're doing stuff from scratch |
| 01:56.32 | Triceron | mostly |
| 01:56.49 | Bounty | With the exception of assets though |
| 01:56.54 | Bounty | How would the transition be |
| 01:56.57 | Saeris | plus all your game data simply won't be there, you'd have to program all that in to simulate the behaviors you'd want |
| 01:57.22 | Triceron | i'm workin on the next Slender project, and half of the project is asset creation |
| 01:57.22 | Saeris | you'd only get some really basic stuff, as far as i know |
| 01:57.41 | Triceron | if not more than half |
| 01:57.43 | zlefin | balance isn't taht mcuh in the eye of the beholder, in fact its' really not |
| 01:57.53 | zlefin | while it's not easy to objectively measure, it's hardly impossible to approximate quite well |
| 01:58.27 | Bounty | So basically if i was a heavy trigger user in SC2 and also knew how to make models and textures i would be set |
| 01:58.28 | Triceron | don't really know much about programming aspect, but I know a lot of guys who've done dev work in SC2 who have transitioned over to Unity fairly easily |
| 01:58.28 | soulcarverr | I say things are balance that other people in LOL say are completely rigged |
| 01:58.35 | soulcarverr | there is no specific balance .... |
| 01:58.39 | soulcarverr | its just a feeling |
| 01:58.53 | Triceron | dev work in mapping that is |
| 01:59.04 | Dustin__ | bounty |
| 01:59.12 | Dustin__ | C# |
| 01:59.15 | Dustin__ | is what Unity uses |
| 01:59.27 | Bounty | What does SC2 use |
| 01:59.31 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:59.38 | Dustin__ | Their own 'language' |
| 01:59.39 | soulcarverr | are we talking... 3d engine wise? |
| 01:59.39 | zlefin | well, a lot of people don't know jack about balance |
| 01:59.42 | zlefin | and there can be specific balance |
| 01:59.49 | zlefin | feelings are for people who havent' done the mathcraft |
| 01:59.50 | Dustin__ | Which is a shallow derivitave of c |
| 01:59.55 | Taintedwisp | Actually the games are imbalanced so there are no set in stone stratagies |
| 01:59.55 | zlefin | that addresses the underlying systems |
| 01:59.56 | Bounty | Yeah but i thought the SC2 language was based on something |
| 02:00.13 | Dustin__ | C |
| 02:00.18 | Taintedwisp | it is... |
| 02:00.19 | Bounty | I remember someone told me that game programming is basically triggers only you have to type it out |
| 02:00.21 | Taintedwisp | Xml... |
| 02:00.23 | Triceron | if then statements and stuff |
| 02:00.28 | soulcarverr | zlefin.... if you mean making numbers reletive yes..... i wouldnt glorify it enough to give it a name |
| 02:00.34 | Triceron | data is XML |
| 02:00.34 | Dustin__ | Bounty, esentialy yes |
| 02:00.36 | Triceron | triggers is C |
| 02:00.37 | Saeris | if you want something close to triggers |
| 02:00.44 | Taintedwisp | so yeah there ya go |
| 02:00.50 | Saeris | UDK's kistmet scripting is probably the closest to it |
| 02:00.57 | Dustin__ | You can write galaxy script ofr the 'triggers' bounty |
| 02:00.58 | zlefin | i dont' think we're tlaking on the same wavelenght carver |
| 02:01.00 | Taintedwisp | C++ and XML, neither are that hard to learn, just easy to forget |
| 02:01.07 | Dustin__ | You should learn that |
| 02:01.12 | Dustin__ | and then give unity a shot |
| 02:01.26 | soulcarverr | balance is my last of my concerns when I make or play a game |
| 02:01.27 | Taintedwisp | Yo soulcarver, you ready to test ? haha |
| 02:01.32 | soulcarverr | yesh |
| 02:01.47 | Taintedwisp | Same here,That way im not restricted by stuff thats already been balanced |
| 02:02.30 | zlefin | i find a reasonable amount of balance is necessary for a game, past that it's optional and dependss on the tastes of the users |
| 02:02.34 | zlefin | i prefer highly balanced games |
| 02:02.37 | zlefin | some others are far more flexible |
| 02:02.47 | zlefin | assuming of course that the game functions |
| 02:04.17 | zlefin | also it's a fun intellectual exercise |
| 02:11.57 | zlefin | well, i'll come on tomorrow adn see what discussion there is |
| 02:12.01 | zlefin | night |
| 02:12.09 | Triceron | I think the issue with balance discussions is that it's all about concepts and theories, but ideally balance can only be achieved through playtesting. |
| 02:12.46 | Triceron | bleh |
| 02:53.23 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Effects / Modify Unit - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/effects/modify-unit/ |
| 03:03.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster tigger0jk (~tigger0jk@c-71-202-39-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 03:18.09 | soulcarverr | and who are you on forums? |
| 03:28.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster tigger0jk (~tigger0jk@c-71-202-39-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 04:00.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster equinox1911_ (~equinox19@pD9E5366F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 04:08.13 | *** join/#sc2mapster flyingspatula (187c2f57@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.124.47.87) |
| 04:11.52 | soulcarverr | hey everybody |
| 04:11.55 | soulcarverr | I need a way |
| 04:12.18 | soulcarverr | to turn on a trigger based on a string |
| 04:12.31 | soulcarverr | is this possible |
| 04:13.12 | A1win | sure? o: |
| 04:13.19 | A1win | what string? |
| 04:13.32 | A1win | or what exactly do you mean |
| 04:15.43 | soulcarverr | turn trigger ("name of trigger in astrin") on |
| 04:15.58 | A1win | oh |
| 04:16.06 | A1win | probably not then |
| 04:16.09 | A1win | or hmm |
| 04:16.21 | A1win | I guess it's possible in script |
| 04:18.11 | soulcarverr | whats the script for it? |
| 04:18.21 | soulcarverr | its that or I gotta set trigger variables = to them |
| 04:18.28 | soulcarverr | and using script would be simpler |
| 04:40.30 | grim001 | soulcarverr you would need to setup a table linking strings to triggers |
| 05:01.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster Lajjla (~Lajla@ip51cc146b.speed.planet.nl) |
| 05:02.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster Repo (~repo@68.64.47.41) |
| 05:19.23 | RiFT | how does immortality protocol work on thors, im not seeing what makes the wreckage when they die |
| 05:30.57 | *** join/#sc2mapster Sprocks (~Sprocks@bas1-brampton37-2925340532.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 05:46.31 | RiFT | yay found it, needed to apply a thor - thor don't die buff |
| 05:47.11 | RiFT | any good way to scale down the size on the thor wreckage? |
| 05:47.17 | *** join/#sc2mapster RazielZ (Raziel@2a01:388:201:4190:5d0a:3b31:ae20:bbfb) |
| 05:48.26 | *** join/#sc2mapster DeadZergling (322e8dd1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.46.141.209) |
| 05:48.55 | DeadZergling | hello, anyone still awake in here? |
| 06:11.10 | RiFT | i am |
| 06:11.55 | RiFT | so, now that i have libertymulti cited as a dependency to fix refund text, it won't let me publish |
| 06:11.59 | RiFT | T_T |
| 06:12.20 | DeadZergling | fun stuff, I'm just trying to figure out my sound cutoff problem |
| 06:14.18 | RiFT | i gave up on sound for now just trying to get basic mechanics working |
| 06:21.34 | RiFT | yay it works now, idk if it will update with patches, though |
| 06:28.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster Sevenix (pheonix@c-83-233-149-105.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 06:31.39 | *** join/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.83.252.224.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 06:36.32 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli (~casdasdqq@dslb-188-101-187-097.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 06:55.45 | RiFT | that is so satisfying to see almost everything work like that |
| 06:56.29 | RiFT | now if i could the damned immortals to warp in properly instead of instantly anywhere you have vision >.> |
| 07:18.38 | *** part/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.83.252.224.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 07:19.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.83.252.224.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 07:39.07 | RiFT | whoahoahoa got it, so dumb, i must have not saved after i added a warpable ability |
| 07:50.24 | RiFT | well good night, tomorrow i get to more animation stuff i think |
| 07:54.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (~Bibendus@ip-80-249-36-63.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 08:11.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster hobbidude (ce2f8ac2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.47.138.194) |
| 08:11.17 | hobbidude | is deletarius online? |
| 08:16.55 | Ahli | I guess he is not at work anymore and left the computer running |
| 08:17.17 | Saeris | probably yea |
| 08:17.41 | Ahli | unless they are doing night shifts :D |
| 08:17.54 | Saeris | he's usually here between 10am-3pm PST weekdays? something like that |
| 08:18.08 | hobbidude | or they're from europe lol |
| 08:19.00 | Saeris | well it's 1am here now, and he hasn't said anything for like, 7 hours? |
| 08:19.01 | Ahli | normally he starts to appear active in irc in about 6.5 hours |
| 08:19.54 | Ahli | and I guess he leaves 8-9 hours later. |
| 08:20.24 | Ahli | pretty much perfect for Europeans mapping in the evening :D |
| 08:25.25 | Ahli | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/43442-triggering-monthly-exercise-6-dialog-mini-game/?post=23 made tetris, but not a polished full game... only a working base for a game |
| 08:26.09 | hobbidude | made reversi lol |
| 08:26.45 | hobbidude | if im looking to attach models onto a doodad i'd be looking to site ops right? |
| 08:28.59 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tolkfan (~Thunderbi@host-89-230-244-33.nowydwor.mm.pl) |
| 08:30.38 | hobbidude | is there anyway to do it like you do with regions |
| 08:34.36 | *** join/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.83.252.224.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 08:36.19 | Ahli | the next trigger challenge is kind of hard |
| 08:36.36 | hobbidude | i think i got it figure out already |
| 08:36.46 | Ahli | lol wow :D |
| 08:37.04 | hobbidude | would go really well with that mafia map that came out |
| 08:37.59 | hobbidude | or rather grand theft auto |
| 08:38.25 | hobbidude | i've seen a couple promising versions out but no one has put together a solid world map |
| 08:41.27 | Ahli | did you use a lot of points for the track's lane? |
| 08:41.41 | Ahli | to make the unit follow the correct side and path? |
| 08:41.58 | hobbidude | actually i had oringally thought to use regions but im going without regions or points |
| 08:42.13 | Ahli | invisible units? |
| 08:42.23 | hobbidude | intersection unit |
| 08:43.27 | Ahli | do your units respect the side of the road they drive on? |
| 08:43.38 | hobbidude | lol of course |
| 08:43.57 | Ahli | how would you do that if you only had units on the intersections? |
| 08:44.02 | hobbidude | i haven't desided to go two way one direction yet |
| 08:44.18 | hobbidude | rhve to check roads to see if there's a two lane version |
| 08:44.29 | hobbidude | intersections are the units |
| 08:44.39 | hobbidude | you don't need anything between for control |
| 08:45.16 | Ahli | but you need points to give them the correct path? wouldn't they drive in the middle of the road instead? |
| 08:45.44 | hobbidude | why would they |
| 08:45.52 | hobbidude | and no pts |
| 08:45.58 | hobbidude | thats part of the ai |
| 08:46.06 | hobbidude | its an ai exercise |
| 08:46.48 | hobbidude | ill say its rather radical thinking but i'd rather have a basic system that works off a template style |
| 08:47.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster XenoX101 (XenoX101@ppp118-209-14-113.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) |
| 08:47.16 | Ahli | sounds reasonable |
| 08:48.41 | hobbidude | unfortunately its very square like |
| 08:48.44 | Ahli | oh, units could tell the unit where to turn left, etc... so you would place the units on the fitting spots |
| 08:49.14 | hobbidude | curved roads would be a bitch and need a new system |
| 08:49.17 | hobbidude | kinda |
| 08:49.20 | Ahli | yeah :D |
| 08:49.45 | hobbidude | the intersections tell the cars which lane to move to and from and then pass it along to the next intersection |
| 08:51.27 | hobbidude | it ai of the car tells to to keep moving in one direction unless its controlled by an intersection or a car is infront |
| 08:51.52 | hobbidude | car uses its custom value to find direction |
| 08:52.54 | hobbidude | im curious how you did the tetris |
| 08:52.59 | hobbidude | and make the pieces fit |
| 08:53.13 | hobbidude | did you use an array to map the open slots? |
| 08:56.26 | Ahli | yes |
| 08:56.42 | Ahli | dialog item array is null or used slot |
| 08:57.00 | hobbidude | i see |
| 08:57.17 | Ahli | the current piece consists out of 4 tiles |
| 08:57.32 | hobbidude | ya id guess |
| 08:57.45 | Ahli | to rotate you need to check only a few block movements |
| 08:57.46 | hobbidude | it heck below if slot is open to move down |
| 08:57.56 | hobbidude | check srry |
| 08:58.25 | hobbidude | fuck thats easier than i thought |
| 08:58.55 | hobbidude | i had a problem with mine working too fast |
| 09:02.09 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cheekything (~Cheekythi@84.252.249.196) |
| 09:13.50 | *** join/#sc2mapster duckies (53f1057d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.241.5.125) |
| 09:15.45 | duckies | oh hey g0a is back. We thought you were eaten by wild ducks >.> |
| 09:34.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster XenoX101 (~XenoX101@ppp118-209-14-113.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) |
| 09:46.15 | *** join/#sc2mapster harl (harl@dslb-088-077-115-108.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 09:46.28 | harl | wuff! |
| 09:48.10 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (58870015@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.135.0.21) |
| 09:48.12 | *** join/#sc2mapster Blub\w (~wry@77.117.247.248.wireless.dyn.drei.com) |
| 09:49.04 | Zolden | G0A: hey, I've tried the new version fo Random TD with the path lines |
| 09:49.30 | *** join/#sc2mapster hobbidude (ce2f8ac2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.47.138.194) |
| 09:49.34 | Zolden | G0A: did you mean them as a possible border for my map? |
| 09:53.30 | hobbidude | is its possible to attach models together the same way regions are done? |
| 10:01.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster XenoX101 (~XenoX101@ppp118-209-14-113.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) |
| 10:36.01 | Ahli | ok, my unit drives a big circle atm :D |
| 10:37.57 | Ahli | I'm using border units to correct the facing of the unit |
| 10:43.10 | G0A | Zolden yes |
| 10:44.24 | G0A | duckies :D I was skiing |
| 10:45.22 | G0A | Zolden you can change the texture of the path lines. |
| 10:45.42 | Zolden | G0A: can we make em not-animated? |
| 10:46.11 | duckies | ah, close enough =D |
| 10:46.17 | G0A | probably not, but I guess you can make a texture which wont look animated |
| 10:46.35 | Zolden | what about minimap animations? |
| 10:46.44 | G0A | you can turn it on off |
| 10:46.53 | G0A | but its the same animation |
| 10:46.55 | Zolden | oh, this is nice |
| 10:47.15 | Zolden | and we can, I guess, make them semitransparent? |
| 10:47.17 | G0A | sadly change size command didnt work for me |
| 10:47.29 | Zolden | so, no fat lines? |
| 10:47.47 | G0A | probably |
| 10:48.03 | G0A | but I didnt bother much about it |
| 10:48.18 | G0A | they might fixed it |
| 10:48.24 | Zolden | can we have alot of the border lines? Haven't you tried to paing thousands of them to check how they affect perfomance? |
| 10:48.45 | Zolden | *painting |
| 10:49.34 | Zolden | duckies? what was your guess? That he's travelling through the time to kill historical leader? |
| 10:50.28 | G0A | I didnt test it much, but seems like its length doesnt effect fps, dont know if it eats lots of fps if you use more than 10. |
| 10:51.07 | G0A | Zolden sry for messing with your grandmas:D |
| 10:51.43 | G0A | I visited them while I was time traveling |
| 10:52.01 | Zolden | oh, you! |
| 10:53.11 | Zolden | hmm, looks like i need to invent an algorithm to paint a closed border line as 1 path |
| 10:54.39 | Ahli | I need something better to determine the path of a unit... hmmm |
| 11:19.19 | DeadZergling | having a dumb moment here, how do you tell an actor under events to hide itself, destroy is happening too slow |
| 11:20.25 | *** join/#sc2mapster TheSkunk__ (~TheSkunk_@74.37.254.85) |
| 11:21.57 | duckies | there is immidiate option for "destroy" |
| 11:22.25 | duckies | and some effects leave particles behind, so you could destroy them first |
| 11:22.31 | duckies | or set opacy to 1 |
| 11:22.54 | DeadZergling | well I gotta start over on what I was doing it seems |
| 11:22.57 | DeadZergling | fucking editor crash |
| 11:24.06 | DeadZergling | will try the opacity when I get back to where I was... |
| 11:24.36 | duckies | yeah. for some reason editor crashes for me awfully lot when I test map with CE open. I've become so paranoid that I Ctrl+S every time befor testing :D |
| 11:28.28 | *** join/#sc2mapster Blub\w (~wry@178.115.248.77.wireless.dyn.drei.com) |
| 11:32.20 | DeadZergling | all right, one more dumb question |
| 11:32.28 | DeadZergling | which sop would make the model do a 180, lol |
| 11:33.25 | DeadZergling | tried sop 180, that one is no good |
| 11:43.30 | Zolden | you mean 180 degrees rotation around Z axis? |
| 11:43.55 | DeadZergling | Probably, just like if I was facing north |
| 11:44.03 | DeadZergling | then spin around to face south |
| 11:44.19 | Zolden | try explicit rotation |
| 11:47.03 | DeadZergling | been looking for it, unsuccessfully |
| 11:48.13 | Zolden | u need to configure it |
| 11:48.42 | Ahli | yay... my units drive on the roads... just a fast unit doesn't drive smooth atm |
| 11:48.49 | Zolden | Set Up Vector to 0, 0, 1, and Forward to 0, -1, 1 |
| 11:49.20 | Zolden | Ahli, what do you mean? |
| 11:50.58 | Zolden | DeadZergling: or Up 0, 0, 1 and Forward 0, -1, 0 |
| 11:52.43 | DeadZergling | yea, the first didn't work, trying second |
| 11:52.57 | Ahli | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/44401-triggering-monthly-exercise-7-city-traffic/#p2 |
| 11:53.09 | Ahli | I'm making traffic in a city |
| 11:54.07 | Zolden | wow |
| 11:54.19 | Zolden | nice challenge |
| 11:54.24 | DeadZergling | no, that isn't working either... |
| 11:54.52 | Zolden | DeadZergling: try to play with the Forward vector values |
| 11:54.59 | Zolden | change between 0, 1, -1 |
| 11:55.08 | Zolden | will it react |
| 11:55.12 | Zolden | or jsut do nothing? |
| 11:55.13 | DeadZergling | im not sure im putting it in the right place really, since it should be doing somethign at least, right? |
| 11:55.38 | Zolden | if do nothing, check, do you have the site operation actor on top or on bottom in the list of site operations |
| 11:55.52 | Zolden | it should rotate your thing |
| 11:55.56 | DeadZergling | is the only actor in the list |
| 11:56.05 | DeadZergling | is a missile actor type if that makes any difference |
| 11:56.26 | Zolden | u need to have the sop actor in the list of model's actor's sops |
| 11:56.40 | DeadZergling | Host Site Operations, right? |
| 11:56.52 | Zolden | i guess... don't remember |
| 11:58.55 | Zolden | yeah, host site ops |
| 11:59.32 | Zolden | to test, you can put there a simple locall offset, it always work, it will let you know that you put your rotation sop into a right place and doing everything right |
| 12:00.18 | DeadZergling | aye true, the sops im a bit comfortable with |
| 12:00.26 | DeadZergling | always sucked w/ setting explicit rotations though |
| 12:00.33 | DeadZergling | they simply make no sense to me, lol |
| 12:01.54 | DeadZergling | must not be going in the right place |
| 12:02.07 | DeadZergling | put in a higher by 5 adjustment, nothing |
| 12:02.30 | DeadZergling | wondering if I need to do something special for a missile |
| 12:04.46 | Zolden | ohm another idea about vector values |
| 12:05.06 | Zolden | set UP to 0 1 0, FOrward to 0 -1 0 |
| 12:15.26 | DeadZergling | yea, i dunno what is going on |
| 12:16.07 | DeadZergling | it refuses to work, that much is clear |
| 12:17.46 | DeadZergling | need to get my 4 hours of sleep before work anyways, thanks for trying Zolden, sure it is something stupid on my end |
| 12:18.56 | Zolden | yea, sleep helps :) |
| 12:21.59 | DeadZergling | It does, but sure doesn't make much progress on maps... |
| 12:22.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster TheSkunk__ (~TheSkunk_@74.37.254.202) |
| 12:22.56 | *** part/#sc2mapster DeadZergling (322e8dd1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.46.141.209) |
| 12:52.29 | *** join/#sc2mapster MindWorX (~MindWorX@d58c5c29.rev.dansknet.dk) |
| 13:09.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster Dustin|Work (~Dustin@wsip-184-185-212-43.ks.ks.cox.net) |
| 13:09.53 | Dustin|Work | Morning gentlemen |
| 13:11.06 | TheSkunk__ | Morning Dustin =] |
| 13:12.20 | Zolden | does anyone have a successful experience of turning purple normal maps into orange? |
| 13:20.26 | *** join/#sc2mapster Telshin (~textual@76.164.170.2) |
| 13:20.58 | Dustin|Work | Sorry Zolden, I haven't messed with texture maps yet |
| 13:24.19 | Zolden | I see... Need Triceron here |
| 13:34.02 | Ahli | can I disable movement & maintain move oders? |
| 13:34.21 | Ahli | setting max speed to 0 is like disabling move... it deletes the orders |
| 13:37.11 | Zolden | what do you mean disable movement? |
| 13:37.24 | Ahli | I want the unit to not move |
| 13:37.34 | Ahli | but I want to maintain the move orders on the unit |
| 13:37.50 | Dustin|Work | For what reason? |
| 13:38.06 | Zolden | it doesn't move when you command to stop |
| 13:39.25 | Zolden | fuck yea, finally made normal maps to work! now gonna modle the shit out of max |
| 13:40.08 | Dustin|Work | nice |
| 13:42.12 | Zolden | Ahli, so, what do you want? maybe Hold order will help? |
| 13:42.18 | Ahli | the reaon is: I want units to stop instead of pushing into each other... I've a collision detection in front of the unit. I'm doing: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/44401-triggering-monthly-exercise-7-city-traffic/#p2 |
| 13:43.13 | Ahli | atm I'm building a system without traffic lights |
| 13:43.20 | Zolden | If you issue Hold position order, other units won't be able to push the hold unit |
| 13:43.47 | Ahli | later I can use that for traffic lights, too |
| 13:44.04 | Ahli | I would only need to place special units in the way when the traffic should stop |
| 13:44.25 | Zolden | also, I can suggest to apply a behavior which would slowly decrease movement speed to 0, to imitate real movements, not jsut instant stop |
| 13:44.58 | Zolden | but before issuing move order you'll have to remove the behavior to change movement speed back to normal |
| 13:46.12 | Zolden | do your cars chose to move on roads instead of anywhere? |
| 13:47.26 | Ahli | I let them travel along paths of units |
| 13:48.18 | Zolden | yea, it's one of the solutions |
| 13:50.17 | Zolden | how each car decide where to move and where to stop? |
| 13:50.29 | Zolden | *when |
| 13:51.18 | *** join/#sc2mapster MasterReY (~Goa@77-21-36-157-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 13:51.21 | MasterReY | hello mapsters! |
| 13:51.21 | Zolden | do they look at other cars around? |
| 13:51.24 | MasterReY | here i am again^^ |
| 13:51.26 | Zolden | hi |
| 13:51.37 | Ahli | yes. that's why they stop |
| 13:51.52 | MasterReY | i've got another question^^ |
| 13:52.16 | Ahli | when mutliple cars are at the crossroads and some are turning, they might come very close to each other |
| 13:52.31 | Ahli | atm I've the no motion phase and the reduced speed phase |
| 13:53.18 | MasterReY | I have a trigger with a periodic event but i somehow need a parameter in it |
| 13:53.33 | MasterReY | is that possible somehow or is there something similar? |
| 13:53.47 | Ahli | what's the parameter? |
| 13:53.50 | Dustin|Work | What are you trying to acomplish |
| 13:54.23 | MasterReY | 1. i have an action def. with 2 parameters, an interger and a unit type |
| 13:55.10 | MasterReY | for example the parameters are "10" and "probe" |
| 13:55.28 | MasterReY | its a goal for the player like "Kill 10 probes" |
| 13:55.45 | MasterReY | then need a way to check when he killed those 10 probes |
| 13:56.12 | MasterReY | so i wanted to make a trigger which counts the probe kills |
| 13:56.23 | MasterReY | hm |
| 13:56.27 | Dustin|Work | In your action definition |
| 13:56.30 | Dustin|Work | Make a While Loop |
| 13:57.03 | Dustin|Work | And set it up like, While ProbeKillCounter < 10 Do These Actions |
| 13:57.48 | MasterReY | the thing is i have a dialog which shows the probes left to kill |
| 13:57.59 | MasterReY | and i want tpo update that dialog all the time |
| 13:58.13 | MasterReY | the dialog just says "X probes left to kill" |
| 13:58.35 | MasterReY | so everytime one probes gets killed by that player, the dialog should update |
| 13:58.36 | Dustin|Work | Well you're going to have to have another trigger that tracks deaths |
| 13:58.58 | MasterReY | yeah and thats what i wanted to do |
| 13:59.06 | MasterReY | forget the periodic event |
| 13:59.09 | Zolden | a unit dies event can trigger an action which would check the unit type and the player dealt the damage adn to increment the number of dead units |
| 13:59.41 | MasterReY | lets say i use a trigger with event "unit gets killed" and then the condition needs to be "unit type of killed unit == PARAMETER" |
| 14:00.15 | Zolden | correct |
| 14:00.30 | MasterReY | yeah but i dont have that parameter^^ |
| 14:00.36 | MasterReY | that is my original question |
| 14:00.45 | Dustin|Work | On your action definition where you have the Probe PArameter, make it add a new event to that death trigger specifying what kind of unit it's looking for |
| 14:01.00 | MasterReY | i need that trigger with "unit gets killed" event but the unit type for the condition should be parameterized |
| 14:01.01 | Dustin|Work | So like |
| 14:01.14 | Zolden | you can have a global variable of unit type to save the parameter |
| 14:02.02 | MasterReY | yes zolden, ofc i thought about that solution, but global variables for such things shouldnt be used :D |
| 14:02.14 | MasterReY | thats what i've been told haha |
| 14:02.22 | Dustin|Work | My idea should work |
| 14:02.24 | MasterReY | so i was looking for a more "elegant" solution |
| 14:02.36 | MasterReY | add a new event hmmmm |
| 14:02.56 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tolkfan1 (~Thunderbi@host-89-230-244-33.nowydwor.mm.pl) |
| 14:03.10 | MasterReY | what do you mean by "make it add a new event to that death trigger" |
| 14:04.09 | Dustin|Work | You can add new Events to triggers, so like, you just have a general death trigger that performs actions on shit, but nothing to trigger it, so you add a new event to check for PRobe Deaths |
| 14:05.04 | Zolden | well, something have created a task: kill x units of y type... you have to store these x and y somwhere, why not global variables? why isn't it eleggant? |
| 14:05.35 | Ahli | it works with stun |
| 14:05.38 | Ahli | stun == awesome |
| 14:05.55 | Dustin|Work | A Global Record could work to |
| 14:06.00 | MasterReY | the x and y change every 60 secs or so |
| 14:06.18 | Zolden | Ahli, what stun do to untis? |
| 14:06.28 | Zolden | just a checkbox in behaviors? |
| 14:06.34 | Ahli | yes |
| 14:06.52 | Ahli | I think it suppresses all abilities of a unit, but maintains the orders |
| 14:08.24 | Zolden | good to know |
| 14:09.58 | Ahli | deadlock, yeah :D |
| 14:10.07 | Ahli | that's why we need traffic controls |
| 14:11.13 | Ahli | http://imageshack.us/a/img254/91/screenshot2012102416092.jpg |
| 14:11.42 | Ahli | stalker and medics are there to determine the street |
| 14:12.27 | Ahli | actually 1 unit stopped :S |
| 14:20.22 | Zolden | :)) |
| 14:26.39 | MasterReY | *sigh* |
| 14:26.53 | MasterReY | how do i set variables of records? t-t |
| 14:27.01 | MasterReY | i feel very dumb but i cant find it haha |
| 14:27.15 | Dustin|Work | Make your Record, Make a new Variable and make it Reference your record |
| 14:27.26 | Dustin|Work | Then set that variable+record member |
| 14:27.39 | MasterReY | i created a records called "Objective |
| 14:27.49 | MasterReY | and have 3 variables in it |
| 14:28.01 | MasterReY | count, unit type, player |
| 14:28.24 | MasterReY | but i dont see any of them using the "set variable" action |
| 14:29.03 | Dustin|Work | Set Objective |
| 14:29.09 | Dustin|Work | Wait |
| 14:29.13 | Dustin|Work | You need a new Variable |
| 14:29.17 | Dustin|Work | To reference the record |
| 14:29.20 | Dustin|Work | Then you set that |
| 14:29.40 | MasterReY | what do you mean? |
| 14:29.52 | MasterReY | i used right click --> new record |
| 14:30.09 | Dustin|Work | I know |
| 14:30.14 | Dustin|Work | Now make a NEW variable |
| 14:30.19 | MasterReY | then i clicked that record and clicked on the "new variable" button |
| 14:30.21 | Dustin|Work | And make it reference the record |
| 14:30.31 | Dustin|Work | Not inside the record |
| 14:30.36 | Dustin|Work | A new Global variable |
| 14:30.42 | Dustin|Work | You cant reference REcords by themselves |
| 14:30.52 | Dustin|Work | You have to Point a new variable to the record |
| 14:30.56 | MasterReY | ah ok |
| 14:30.58 | Dustin|Work | And set the new variable |
| 14:31.06 | Dustin|Work | It confused me at first to |
| 14:31.56 | MasterReY | kk |
| 14:32.04 | MasterReY | so i created my 3 new variables (outside of the record |
| 14:32.12 | Dustin|Work | Oh no |
| 14:32.15 | Dustin|Work | You just need 1 |
| 14:32.18 | MasterReY | and changed "Type" to "record" in that dropdown menu |
| 14:32.20 | MasterReY | :D |
| 14:32.23 | Dustin|Work | To reference the Record |
| 14:32.26 | MasterReY | hoho |
| 14:32.41 | MasterReY | ah ok |
| 14:32.45 | MasterReY | i think i understand |
| 14:33.14 | MasterReY | the new record is like a class and the "new variable" is like an object of that class |
| 14:33.25 | Dustin|Work | Yes |
| 14:33.33 | Dustin|Work | And we have to initialize the class object |
| 14:33.38 | MasterReY | kk |
| 14:33.44 | MasterReY | record is called "Objective" |
| 14:33.48 | Dustin|Work | by setting the new Variable to that class |
| 14:33.58 | MasterReY | and new variable "Current Objective" and references "Objective" |
| 14:33.58 | Dustin|Work | Then we can reference it like NewVariable.Property |
| 14:34.36 | Dustin|Work | Current_Objective.Count |
| 14:34.47 | Dustin|Work | Will be what it looks like then |
| 14:35.04 | MasterReY | kk |
| 14:35.06 | MasterReY | works |
| 14:35.07 | MasterReY | thanks alot^^ |
| 14:35.29 | Dustin|Work | no problem |
| 14:50.14 | *** join/#sc2mapster Taintedwisp (4bb541ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.181.65.238) |
| 14:50.38 | Taintedwisp | hmmmm turkey burgers |
| 14:51.22 | Taintedwisp | Someone quick, tell george forman he needs to go back to boxing, his grill sucks |
| 14:51.23 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 14:52.17 | Dustin|Work | dude his grill is awesome |
| 14:52.46 | Taintedwisp | no... i made Cheese Burgers, Which means mixing the cheese in with the Raw meat... IT PUSHED MY CHEESE OUT |
| 14:52.49 | Taintedwisp | Its an atrocity |
| 14:52.49 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 14:52.56 | *** join/#sc2mapster ducky__ (53f1057d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.241.5.125) |
| 14:53.28 | Taintedwisp | plus the burgers are dry... |
| 14:54.53 | Taintedwisp | Watchin the Klumps eatin turkey burgers... |
| 14:54.55 | Taintedwisp | awesome |
| 14:54.56 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 14:55.07 | Taintedwisp | Ups is here |
| 14:55.07 | Taintedwisp | brb |
| 14:58.52 | *** join/#sc2mapster RazielZ (Raziel@2a01:388:201:4190:5d0a:3b31:ae20:bbfb) |
| 15:09.47 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 15:09.52 | Taintedwisp | So how is everyone today? |
| 15:09.59 | TheSkunk__ | goodish |
| 15:10.02 | Taintedwisp | ISH!!! |
| 15:10.07 | TheSkunk__ | sure.. |
| 15:11.57 | *** join/#sc2mapster zlefin (~zlefin@pool-173-48-173-195.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 15:14.48 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 15:19.05 | TheSkunk__ | lool |
| 15:19.09 | TheSkunk__ | watching inside the game |
| 15:19.28 | TheSkunk__ | archives |
| 15:19.44 | TheSkunk__ | not sure if the rest of it is any good but incrontrols little act was funny |
| 15:23.05 | TheSkunk__ | yeahh.. not as funny now that destiny is on |
| 15:35.50 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 15:36.33 | Taintedwisp | Trying to decide if I can solo a BC Raid lol |
| 15:40.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | how's everyone doing this morning? |
| 15:40.50 | TheSkunk__ | Goodish.. how about you? |
| 15:40.58 | Blizz-Deletarius | great |
| 15:41.00 | *** join/#sc2mapster xelot (~xel@ip70-187-188-18.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 15:41.07 | TheSkunk__ | This inside the game is painful to listen too |
| 15:41.11 | Zolden | I learnd how to create normal maps for the models, and it feels good |
| 15:41.38 | Blizz-Deletarius | xnormal :) |
| 15:41.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | xnormal + roadkill |
| 15:42.13 | Zolden | didn't use xnorma, just 3ds max render to texture thing |
| 15:42.14 | Dustin|Work | I added a cool health pack generator building to my game last night |
| 15:42.19 | Zolden | and then turn it into orange |
| 15:42.20 | Dustin|Work | Looks cool as fuck |
| 15:42.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | nice |
| 15:43.52 | Taintedwisp | wWow... |
| 15:44.05 | Taintedwisp | I hate it thats teh 2nd time... Headless Horseman... the healer doesnt heal me... |
| 15:44.09 | Taintedwisp | I tank with no heals... |
| 15:44.20 | Taintedwisp | I mean I made it... but dammit |
| 15:47.04 | Taintedwisp | Klumps... poor klumps... He just got dumb... |
| 15:47.05 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 15:57.56 | *** join/#sc2mapster Blizz-Tenarsis (46bbbc12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.187.188.18) |
| 16:01.14 | Taintedwisp | Hey Tenarsis long time no see |
| 16:01.19 | Taintedwisp | Hows it going? |
| 16:01.31 | TheSkunk__ | Yeah, good to see you in here =) |
| 16:02.07 | TheSkunk__ | appreciate you taking the time out of your day and work to come in here and help out |
| 16:02.55 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tolkfan (~Thunderbi@host-89-230-244-33.nowydwor.mm.pl) |
| 16:03.16 | Ahli | the control stuff for my traffic lights work :D I can specify the time each light is green and the buffer time between green phases >_> |
| 16:03.39 | Zolden | do cars react to the lights? |
| 16:03.45 | Ahli | yes |
| 16:03.59 | Zolden | cool, show us! |
| 16:04.01 | Ahli | because the light creates a dummy unit that is like a car |
| 16:04.14 | Ahli | I need to make the animations and some prettier terrain |
| 16:04.17 | TheSkunk__ | That's a cool project, Ahli -- I've always wanted to make something like that =/ |
| 16:04.39 | Ahli | just go ahead... you can do it in a day |
| 16:05.10 | TheSkunk__ | Well, I wouldn't be able to stop there :P |
| 16:05.53 | TheSkunk__ | I just think things like automatic traffic systems via triggers are cool |
| 16:06.27 | Blizz-Tenarsis | hey guys, stuck at home waiting for maintenance to show up :) |
| 16:06.39 | Dustin|Work | Sounds fun! |
| 16:07.09 | *** join/#sc2mapster Vailreth (~kvirc@75.108.220.50) |
| 16:07.30 | TheSkunk__ | What happened? |
| 16:08.25 | Ahli | car with engine starting problems? |
| 16:08.37 | Blizz-Tenarsis | just routine to replace air filter so I have to sit here and watch cats |
| 16:08.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster ScytheBlade1 (~Death@serenity.averageurl.com) |
| 16:08.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster ScytheBlade1 (~Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 16:08.40 | TheSkunk__ | Finally finished listening to ITG |
| 16:08.48 | Blizz-Deletarius | awwww snaps |
| 16:08.56 | *** join/#sc2mapster Vailreth (~kvirc@75.108.220.50) |
| 16:09.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | look who finally showed up |
| 16:09.43 | Blizz-Deletarius | btw, check your mail tenarsis |
| 16:10.12 | Blizz-Deletarius | I did the first thing of those things you talked to me about :supervague: |
| 16:11.19 | Blizz-Tenarsis | my sc2 forums account got locked due to suspicious activity :( |
| 16:11.34 | Blizz-Deletarius | l2authenticate |
| 16:11.46 | Blizz-Deletarius | cloaken hooked me up |
| 16:12.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | anyway, who was the person that sent me this issue: http://imageshack.us/a/img266/5792/bracketbaselineproblem.png |
| 16:12.02 | Blizz-Deletarius | ahli? |
| 16:12.33 | Dustin|Work | Tenarsis |
| 16:12.38 | Dustin|Work | Lmao, how does that even happen |
| 16:12.43 | Ahli | yes, dele |
| 16:12.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok |
| 16:12.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | got a response |
| 16:13.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster Blizz-Artestru (d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72) |
| 16:13.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | "One thought is that he has applied an animProp Unpowered as a persistent AnimGroup, via AnimGroupApply. This would affect the Stand anim by turning it into Stand,Unpowered. But that doesn’t explain why stopping the baseline fixes the issue." |
| 16:13.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | "Stopping the baseline wouldn’t remove an AnimGroup. So I’m wondering if there’s some other contributing factor we’re missing here." |
| 16:13.33 | Blizz-Deletarius | "If he’s not using the ActorInfoDisplay cheat, when running his map from the editor, I highly recommend that. It shows a live debug display of many properties of the actors of either the selected unit or the mouse’s hoverTarget." |
| 16:13.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | ". Included in this display is the animStack, which shows all the anims that are playing on an actor, and their priorities. Higher priority anims cover up lower priority ones. So this could be very helpful in understanding what we’re actually seeing." |
| 16:14.09 | Ahli | well well well |
| 16:14.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | there you go |
| 16:16.47 | Ahli | want to buy a "never" term to deactivate actor messages |
| 16:19.18 | Tolkfan | wtb a way to check the resolution or at least aspect ratio of user ;p |
| 16:20.04 | Blizz-Deletarius | what are you prevented from doing currently without that check? |
| 16:21.05 | Tolkfan | I have a battlefield (think chess) that fits nicely into a widescreen res, but is cut off at 4:3 |
| 16:21.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster Exaken (~kvirc@dhcp-077-251-207-054.chello.nl) |
| 16:21.56 | Ahli | give player option to switch to 4x3 display mode |
| 16:22.11 | Ahli | with a dialog/screen button? |
| 16:22.38 | Ahli | there is http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/trigger-libraries/17101-library-get-resolution/ |
| 16:22.49 | Ahli | but it is kind of limited |
| 16:23.08 | Tolkfan | yeah, it wird and required a click to check |
| 16:23.27 | Tolkfan | I know I can make an option to toggle ratio, but I'd rather it be automatic |
| 16:24.31 | Tolkfan | ... is there a way to check if an unit is visible on screen? |
| 16:26.36 | Taintedwisp | Hmm To map or not to map.. |
| 16:26.48 | Taintedwisp | I think I will |
| 16:27.07 | Ahli | where can I see the priority of the animation? |
| 16:27.09 | Taintedwisp | Now for me to Suck terribly at making abilities |
| 16:28.17 | Blizz-Artestru | Animation priority is listed in the Cutscene Editor |
| 16:28.22 | Blizz-Artestru | It's the number after the name on the timeline. |
| 16:28.36 | Blizz-Artestru | You can also view it via the Model Data Window. |
| 16:29.18 | Blizz-Artestru | It should also be listed in the actor info display cheat. |
| 16:29.21 | Blizz-Artestru | I forget exactly where it is. |
| 16:29.52 | Ahli | the number looks more like an index to me |
| 16:30.59 | Ahli | http://imageshack.us/a/img502/3552/screenshot2012102418250.jpg |
| 16:33.59 | Blizz-Artestru | The number on the far left should be the priority. |
| 16:34.06 | Blizz-Artestru | 08 Stand Unpowered |
| 16:34.07 | Blizz-Artestru | 03 Stand |
| 16:34.08 | Blizz-Deletarius | nice work on that UI Ahli :) |
| 16:34.21 | Blizz-Deletarius | see you're really taking to the UI editor haha |
| 16:34.34 | Blizz-Artestru | Stand is typically 3 |
| 16:34.42 | Taintedwisp | I guess ill remake my Cloaking field ability |
| 16:35.33 | Ahli | my admin made the artwork... I implemented it and spend like 2 days making the bars and the life labels look good... the labels are the original life labels (just with a new style). |
| 16:35.45 | Taintedwisp | Ahli Go make all my abilities :P |
| 16:35.51 | Taintedwisp | you know you want to |
| 16:36.14 | Ahli | no... making my own abilities is hard enough :D |
| 16:36.32 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 16:36.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | although |
| 16:37.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | I noticed a grammatical error in the screenshot ;) |
| 16:37.18 | Blizz-Deletarius | or just unfinished code |
| 16:38.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | "Can warp in probes for your for 25 minerals." |
| 16:38.05 | Ahli | I'm no native English speaker. Everything that helps my English skills is welcome |
| 16:38.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | I understand :) |
| 16:38.21 | Blizz-Deletarius | just something that caught my eye |
| 16:38.38 | Ahli | Cam warp in probes for 25 minerals... for you? |
| 16:38.42 | Blizz-Deletarius | and like I said, it might be unfinished code |
| 16:39.01 | Ahli | I should leave the for you away... my American and my Canadian helpers should fix that |
| 16:39.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | hah |
| 16:39.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | well |
| 16:39.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | I'm wondering what of mine it will be warping probes in for |
| 16:39.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's either that you meant to have it say "you" or that you forgot a word |
| 16:40.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | ie, "Can warp in probes for you for 25 minerals" or, "Can warp in probes for your team for 25 minerals" |
| 16:40.26 | Ahli | it's not for the team |
| 16:40.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | well that's what I'm saying, I'd think it would be "you" then in that case |
| 16:40.54 | Taintedwisp | Misspelling is not allowed ahli.. you should be ashamed of yourself. |
| 16:40.57 | Taintedwisp | you monster |
| 16:41.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | rather than your |
| 16:41.06 | Ahli | I spelled it fine I think. |
| 16:41.14 | Ahli | The grammar is the problem |
| 16:41.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | the word is correctly spelled |
| 16:41.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | right |
| 16:42.02 | Ahli | did you send the picture/link to the person who mailed you? |
| 16:43.06 | Ahli | I guess it looks fine =/ at least to me it looks like that |
| 16:43.38 | Taintedwisp | Cant wait till I get all my heroes Completed, then on to Mercenaries, then Upgrades, then Balance, then finished |
| 16:43.39 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tomura (~Tomura@p54851265.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:49.23 | *** join/#sc2mapster Triceron (1854e5d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.84.229.210) |
| 16:50.44 | Zolden | hey, Triceron, thanks |
| 16:51.07 | Zolden | normal maps work fine |
| 16:52.11 | Triceron | awesome |
| 16:53.42 | Zolden | I do render to texture in max, and then turn it to orange - is it a good method |
| 16:54.01 | Taintedwisp | Alright, got my Grapefruit juice... NOW TIME TO MAP!! |
| 16:54.49 | Tolkfan | Blizz-Deletarius: all UI functons use as parameters the "virtual" UI resolution (not sure how to call it... it's always around 1600x1200), all except the Mouse Clicked Position functions, they return values in the actual screen resolution... is that by design or is it some limitation? |
| 16:55.06 | Zolden | Deletarius mentioned "xnormal + roadkill" isn't it a better way? |
| 16:55.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | Zolden, it depends on your workflow |
| 16:56.06 | Blizz-Deletarius | and how much texture detail you need for your 3d model |
| 16:56.26 | Blizz-Deletarius | roadkill is used for adding additional "grime" and detail to a texture or normal map |
| 16:56.37 | Triceron | roadkill is pretty much blender's UV tools |
| 16:56.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | xnormal's another normal map generation tool |
| 16:56.51 | Triceron | I use it, it's efficient |
| 16:57.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | however you would be just fine using the nvidia texture plugin for photoshop |
| 16:57.12 | Blizz-Deletarius | which you can use to generate normal maps |
| 16:57.32 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Tolkfan, that will be fixed in 2.0 |
| 16:57.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | ^ |
| 16:57.55 | Zolden | yeah, I'm satisfied with that nvidia thing, just wanted to know what other ways suggest, thanx |
| 16:57.59 | Blizz-Tenarsis | it should be returned in design coordinates which are based on 1600x1200 |
| 16:58.10 | Ahli | will it return values in dialog offset resoultion? |
| 16:58.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | Zolden, for sc2 you shouldn't need that high of a level of detail for your normals |
| 16:58.41 | Ahli | but they still aren't transferable to dialog offsets, aren't they? |
| 16:58.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | this is for standalone 3d modeling and for something like Unreal or what have you |
| 16:59.08 | Blizz-Deletarius | cause I know a *lot* of the epic guys use roadkill |
| 16:59.27 | Blizz-Deletarius | in addition to the normal workflow for ZBrush that they have\ |
| 16:59.32 | Blizz-Deletarius | brb |
| 16:59.36 | Zolden | alright |
| 16:59.52 | Blizz-Tenarsis | dialog offsets just like everything else should be specified in design coordinates, so now the mouse position functions will match that |
| 17:00.00 | Taintedwisp | Did you kn ow that 2 + 2 = 4.... That blew my mind |
| 17:00.20 | Tolkfan | Blizz-Tenarsis: fixed as in the current function will return the correct values in 2.0 or a whole new function will be added? Because there's a resolution checker that makes use of the current function... it might break a lot of maps |
| 17:00.42 | Ahli | so we are able to move a dialog to the mouse position in every resolution? |
| 17:01.39 | Blizz-Tenarsis | current function will be changed |
| 17:02.29 | Ahli | anyway, back to my traffic lights |
| 17:02.59 | Tolkfan | is "design coordinates" the official name for that resolution? |
| 17:03.14 | Blizz-Tenarsis | it's really weird to us that you guys want triggers for checking resolution so badly. we've never had the need at any point during development because we just use the anchoring system to dynamically adjust UI based on the aspect ratio |
| 17:03.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | back |
| 17:04.41 | Blizz-Tenarsis | 1600x1200 is the design resolution. design coordinates or design space would be the way to refer to x,y coordinates that are between 0,0 - 1600,1200. screen coordinates or screen space are for x,y between 0,0 and the current user's game window resolution |
| 17:05.47 | Blizz-Tenarsis | we allow a range of aspect ratios between 4:3 and 16:10 for windowed mode, so simply checking the current ratio and then doing trigger logic based on that isn't necessarily the ideal approach |
| 17:08.13 | Ahli | I tried to use it to create an "antilag" function for my diablo inventory which would allow fast clicking twice on a button to actually move the item in the inventory... But I would require a mouse position in the UI (in dialog dimensions). So you click twice and trigger 2 dialog button clicked events. The first click would make the item hover and the second click would be used to place the item in the inventory again... so I co |
| 17:08.14 | Ahli | delay between first click and event start |
| 17:09.35 | Ahli | click... click... event 1 starts making an item hover... event 2 starts checking that the clicked position isn't where the button is right now -> calculate into another button click -> place item where user intended |
| 17:11.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster b2zeldafreak (~Thunderbi@163.11.55.21) |
| 17:12.25 | Blizz-Tenarsis | I'd imagine that's possible but haven't tried to set up anything like that myself. but I know that the mouse position functions were super broken for sure. |
| 17:12.48 | Ahli | so you could move an item of the inventory size of an armor in D2 one inventory slot more to the right without user input delay required. |
| 17:13.41 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cheekything (~Cheekythi@cpc2-oxfd18-2-0-cust861.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 17:14.32 | Ahli | if I click an inventory item, I only got the offset of the button itself and not the spot where I clicked. So I tried UI offset, but yeah... |
| 17:15.56 | Ahli | is there a way to move a dialog ontop of all other dialogs for a single player? |
| 17:16.35 | Ahli | I tried to use 1 dialog for my inventory for all players, but I can't make it appear above other dialogs =/ |
| 17:17.27 | Blizz-Tenarsis | trigger dialogs aren't really dialogs in the first place :| |
| 17:18.16 | Ahli | are they more like dialog items? |
| 17:19.13 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yep |
| 17:19.22 | Ahli | why do they have no priority? |
| 17:19.54 | Blizz-Tenarsis | there is a render priority that you can set, that I believe may actually affect the event handling priority as well |
| 17:19.58 | TheSkunk__ | http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5724354244#2 |
| 17:20.10 | TheSkunk__ | Browder so silly.. :P |
| 17:20.15 | Blizz-Tenarsis | but it only affects other frames that are siblings of whatever you are changing the priority on |
| 17:20.53 | Blizz-Tenarsis | so you can't change render priority to have trigger dialogs render above or below other game ui, but it should at least affect the order between different trigger dialogs |
| 17:21.15 | Ahli | well. that's what I required. does that work on a player basis? |
| 17:21.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster ckSynergy (~ckSynergy@r74-192-50-68.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) |
| 17:21.57 | *** join/#sc2mapster mille25 (5b05221c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.5.34.28) |
| 17:22.02 | mille25 | hey |
| 17:22.02 | ckSynergy | oh hey, Tenarsis is here today too |
| 17:22.09 | Ahli | that would save me more than 1k dialog item variables :D |
| 17:22.16 | ckSynergy | what would? |
| 17:22.22 | Ahli | or.. hmm |
| 17:22.23 | Ahli | no |
| 17:22.26 | Ahli | not that many |
| 17:22.45 | ckSynergy | uhhh Ahli... if you have that many, your dialog better be freakin awesome |
| 17:23.16 | ckSynergy | by awesome, I mean make my coffee in the morning and give me should rubs at night while i play the map, awesome |
| 17:23.34 | ckSynergy | ;) |
| 17:25.14 | mille25 | what would save 1k vars, ahli? |
| 17:25.23 | Ahli | nah not that many |
| 17:25.37 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 17:25.42 | ckSynergy | records and presets? |
| 17:25.57 | ckSynergy | and set dialog item custom value ;) |
| 17:26.03 | mille25 | id still like to know what would save them :D |
| 17:27.07 | ckSynergy | what do you mean by save? |
| 17:27.14 | ckSynergy | like, where to store them? |
| 17:27.38 | ckSynergy | arrays :P |
| 17:27.46 | Blizz-Deletarius | ahli...I find it crazy that you have 1k+ dialog item variables |
| 17:27.48 | ckSynergy | Dialog Item[x][y][z] |
| 17:28.00 | ckSynergy | Blizz-Deletarius: no joke |
| 17:28.13 | ckSynergy | oh! |
| 17:28.22 | mille25 | this kinda brings up the questions whats the max dialog item index :D |
| 17:29.04 | ckSynergy | while you're here Deletarius, I was wondering, who do we talk to or sumbit a report to for ancient/broken maps and/or map rips (maps that are locked but were ripped and published) |
| 17:29.10 | ckSynergy | to have them removed |
| 17:29.25 | ckSynergy | whats the what? |
| 17:30.09 | mille25 | ckSynergy: a dialog item variable in the gui is basically just an integer variable in galaxy, storing the id of the dialog item |
| 17:30.28 | mille25 | in galaxy, there is no dialog item or dialog type |
| 17:31.04 | mille25 | this is the case for alot of types in gui though. |
| 17:31.24 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 17:31.27 | ckSynergy | sooo.... |
| 17:31.35 | ckSynergy | whats your point? |
| 17:31.37 | mille25 | thats why there might be a maximum dialog item index, eventually. |
| 17:32.41 | Ahli | inventory excluding belt: {( 10*4 inventory + 7 equipped slots) * (1 pic + 1 button + craft button + socket pic) + 1 hovering item + background pix + additional 18 equipped socket pics + 3 context buttons[quit, drop, use] + 1 gold label + dialog close button image + gold amount label} * 4 players = 856... I could reduce it to 25% (=> 1 dialog only)... so I can save 639 dialog items |
| 17:33.27 | mille25 | why do you have a dialog for each player, ahli? do you want it possible to move or resize dialogs for specific players? |
| 17:33.53 | Ahli | if I open my inventory, I want the inventory layered above all other dialogs ingame |
| 17:34.13 | mille25 | oh, so you recreate it each time to make sure its at the top? |
| 17:34.23 | Ahli | yes |
| 17:34.39 | Ahli | if it is opened |
| 17:34.47 | Ahli | not when you operate in it |
| 17:34.55 | mille25 | i see |
| 17:35.05 | mille25 | well, i agree that we need dialog render priority somehow |
| 17:35.08 | mille25 | as we have for dialog items |
| 17:35.19 | mille25 | but i think it was already suggested in the forums. |
| 17:35.25 | ckSynergy | we have dialog rendering priority... |
| 17:35.35 | mille25 | no, just RTT channel. |
| 17:35.41 | mille25 | or whatever its called |
| 17:35.48 | ckSynergy | -.- panels |
| 17:35.50 | ckSynergy | panels panels panels |
| 17:35.58 | mille25 | yes, but panels arent dialogs. |
| 17:36.02 | ckSynergy | oh, did I mention panels? |
| 17:36.07 | ckSynergy | why do you need dialogs? |
| 17:36.11 | Ahli | also, sockets aren't implemented yet despite the inventory already containing most of its support. |
| 17:36.13 | ckSynergy | you should have 1 dialog |
| 17:36.21 | ckSynergy | dialog "main" |
| 17:36.30 | Ahli | dialog GAME |
| 17:36.34 | ckSynergy | or whatever |
| 17:36.38 | ckSynergy | 1 dialog is the point |
| 17:36.43 | ckSynergy | then everything nested in that |
| 17:36.44 | mille25 | well ckSynergy, i know that there are workarounds for this issue, however it would be nicer if dialogs would support additional features aswell. |
| 17:37.01 | ckSynergy | so people can continue to write bad code? |
| 17:37.03 | Ahli | that's what I thought about 2 days ago after tinkering a lot with the UI |
| 17:37.21 | mille25 | how is using dialogs bad code? dialogs are the way blizzard intented it to work. |
| 17:37.30 | mille25 | it just gets bad code if you need bad workarounds to make stuff work. |
| 17:37.35 | ckSynergy | using dialogs as a substitute for panels is very very poor coding |
| 17:38.02 | mille25 | why? |
| 17:38.03 | Ahli | does windows use panels for every window? |
| 17:38.21 | TheSkunk__ | DE FICKLE |
| 17:38.27 | ckSynergy | inside an application, usually yes |
| 17:38.29 | ckSynergy | something of the sort |
| 17:38.31 | TheSkunk__ | Just opened my SC2 and started to DL a patch |
| 17:38.33 | Tolkfan | well, there was a time when there were no panels in the editor (or they crashed the game if you nested them or something) |
| 17:38.33 | TheSkunk__ | in korean |
| 17:38.40 | mille25 | thats just wrong ckSynergy |
| 17:38.45 | TheSkunk__ | and I've never touched a client not in english ever before.. |
| 17:38.48 | mille25 | panels are just used to organize widgets inside dialogs |
| 17:38.59 | ckSynergy | >.> |
| 17:39.06 | ckSynergy | ok Iirdis |
| 17:39.17 | ckSynergy | whatever ya say :) |
| 17:39.28 | mille25 | who is Iirdis? |
| 17:39.47 | ckSynergy | lol you dont know? |
| 17:39.56 | ckSynergy | be glad you havent met him |
| 17:40.03 | mille25 | i kinda remember this name from the irc here |
| 17:40.09 | mille25 | but dont really have any connection in my mind |
| 17:40.11 | Ahli | he has many names |
| 17:40.35 | mille25 | but still what does Iirdis have to do with this? |
| 17:40.38 | mille25 | :( |
| 17:40.41 | ckSynergy | anyway, my point is, opening a dialog for every new player and every new inventory container or what not, is the same thing as opening photoshop 100,000 times. It's gonna eat your computer alive (or in sc2's case, make your life hell) |
| 17:41.20 | mille25 | i agree, but normally you dont create dialogs for specific players, just global dialogs. |
| 17:41.28 | ckSynergy | yes. |
| 17:41.30 | mille25 | thats why i said it just gets bad if you have to do stuff like ahli had to |
| 17:41.38 | ckSynergy | ahli didnt have to |
| 17:41.44 | mille25 | thats why i was saying it would be nice if there would be more features for dialogs aswell to compensate that. |
| 17:42.02 | ckSynergy | and we hit full circle |
| 17:42.23 | ckSynergy | Dialogs have all the features we need |
| 17:42.41 | ckSynergy | sure, a couple more built in functions would be nice, but nothing you cant build yourself |
| 17:43.08 | Ahli | can we destroy all dialog items in a dialog item? |
| 17:43.25 | Taintedwisp | Hmmm, How hard is it to learn to use the UDK? |
| 17:43.26 | ckSynergy | Create Dialog item in Panel (Image/Label/whatever) for example |
| 17:43.37 | ckSynergy | Tainted, ever tried to learn 3ds max? |
| 17:43.38 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 17:43.49 | Ahli | well... destorying the item shoudl destroy its content |
| 17:44.02 | ckSynergy | right |
| 17:44.05 | Taintedwisp | no ck why? |
| 17:44.17 | ckSynergy | but what are your reasons for destroying the item |
| 17:44.17 | Taintedwisp | I downloaded it once, but nothing since then |
| 17:44.29 | Ahli | hmm... can't think of anything that makes panels can't do that dialogs can |
| 17:44.47 | ckSynergy | ? |
| 17:44.58 | Ahli | in my first inventory version I didn't save all the pictures and labels |
| 17:45.01 | Ahli | only the buttons |
| 17:45.11 | Ahli | then I destroyed all items and rebuild it with every update |
| 17:45.14 | mille25 | brb getting some food |
| 17:45.16 | ckSynergy | ewwwwww |
| 17:45.17 | Ahli | to save variable space |
| 17:45.47 | Ahli | I'm still doing that for pretty much every other dialog in my diablo map |
| 17:46.02 | Ahli | because they are rebuild very fast (except for inventory) |
| 17:46.31 | Ahli | and there was a low code limit ;) |
| 17:46.46 | Ahli | but good that I wasn't using a computer, else I would have hit it |
| 17:46.51 | Ahli | *computer player |
| 17:47.37 | Ahli | they ate approx 1mb of your 3.something mb you had for the galaxy file. |
| 17:49.12 | mille25 | back |
| 17:49.25 | Ahli | that's why dark revenant hit it... but I guess he could have done his map without computer player... (I don't know where the AI would be required in his map.) |
| 17:49.27 | mille25 | Ahli: why are you trying to save variable space? are you close to the limit? |
| 17:49.40 | Ahli | before the increase, I thought I was :D |
| 17:49.55 | mille25 | variable space didnt increase, just code |
| 17:50.18 | Tolkfan | I remember writing a UI library for myself to make UI work less painful. I wrote it all with dialogs nested in other dialogs... then I found out about panels... I was so pissed that I abandoned the whole thing :P |
| 17:50.21 | *** join/#sc2mapster DeadZergling (836bae1d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.174.29) |
| 17:50.30 | Blizz-Tenarsis | ckSynergy has a good point - in a lot of cases, you just want to have a single dialog cover the entire screen with no texture, then have all of your dialog items inside of that |
| 17:51.08 | Ahli | dialog with fullscreen to make the ESC button open the menu? |
| 17:51.27 | Blizz-Tenarsis | as to why it's set up the way it is - well we didn't really iterate on the system much before launch and now we've stuck with aspects of it until we have time to properly improve it |
| 17:51.29 | Ahli | or dialog with a big size to make it impossible to use all anchors |
| 17:51.52 | Ahli | :D |
| 17:51.57 | mille25 | Blizz-Tenarsis: is it alot of work to add stuff like dialog render priority or dialog moving per player? |
| 17:52.18 | Blizz-Tenarsis | in the UI engine, dialogs really are the exact same thing as panels, which are both simply just the most basic frame type - CFrame |
| 17:52.47 | mille25 | even though the panels work, the main problem is that a lot of mappers dont know about this until they get very deep into the topic, however once they realize its possible they would have to recode their entire UI to make it work with panels whats alot of work. exactly that is the case in my current project atm. |
| 17:53.08 | Blizz-Tenarsis | so if dialogs aren't exposing something you need, you can avoid using them at all by just having a single trigger dialog cover the entire screen |
| 17:53.22 | mille25 | so, if dialogs are just panels internally, shouldnt it be easy to add the dialog item functions to them aswell? :P |
| 17:53.56 | mille25 | like move, resize, set render priority (all per player) |
| 17:54.19 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yep, but we've focused all of our post-launch UI development on exposing the SC2Layout file approach |
| 17:54.49 | Blizz-Tenarsis | at least community improvements |
| 17:55.11 | Blizz-Tenarsis | although I think most of us would prefer to phase out dialogs rather than extend them |
| 17:55.25 | Blizz-Deletarius | ^ |
| 17:55.41 | ckSynergy | ^ |
| 17:55.46 | ckSynergy | ;) lol |
| 17:55.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | after switching over to layouts myself, I find it difficult to have to work with dialogs and dialog items |
| 17:56.01 | ckSynergy | yup yup |
| 17:56.06 | Blizz-Tenarsis | but given that mappers are already using them, it would suck to essentially force them to rewrite their UI, and I wouldn't be surprised if there is some important missing functionality |
| 17:56.09 | ckSynergy | wait... |
| 17:56.23 | mille25 | backwards compatibility is always a problem :D |
| 17:56.30 | ckSynergy | can we hookup custom layouts via triggers now? |
| 17:56.51 | ckSynergy | (hasnt tried) |
| 17:56.52 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yep |
| 17:57.02 | ckSynergy | hmm. I'll have to look into that |
| 17:57.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes |
| 17:57.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | Tenarsis even wrote up a post about it |
| 17:57.13 | ckSynergy | though I dont know how that'll work for dynamics |
| 17:57.15 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Create Dialog Item From Template or something like that |
| 17:57.19 | ckSynergy | oh oh link please! |
| 17:57.29 | mille25 | even though layout files might be easier to use in some cases, scripted ui still has some advantages over it |
| 17:57.43 | mille25 | it depends on the area of usage |
| 17:57.45 | ckSynergy | mille: name one |
| 17:57.45 | Blizz-Tenarsis | for dialog items you need to control dynamically, there is a Hook Up Dialog Item From Template trigger that you can use after creating from SC2Layout files |
| 17:58.13 | mille25 | for example if you want to have a custom inventory system, you can create inventory slots in loops based on constant variables storing rows and columns |
| 17:58.15 | ckSynergy | after we hook it up we just use the same calls? Set dialog item X |
| 17:58.16 | ckSynergy | ? |
| 17:58.31 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yep |
| 17:58.39 | mille25 | meaning they would dynamically change with the values of constant variables |
| 17:58.41 | ckSynergy | oh yea, definitely gonna have to redo my system eventually |
| 17:58.50 | Blizz-Tenarsis | trigger dialogs are just a wrapper system on top the SC2Layout engine |
| 17:58.58 | Ahli | you might need to specify a width and height for the hooked thing to be able to fully use it |
| 17:59.00 | Blizz-Tenarsis | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6471837878 |
| 17:59.02 | ckSynergy | are they faster than dialogs? |
| 17:59.15 | ckSynergy | wait, guess they would be |
| 17:59.24 | *** join/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.83.252.224.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 18:00.00 | DeadZergling | Question about that whole, one dialog to control them all approach, how do you make it work for different screen layouts? So the same one would work for 1280 x 960 and 1920 by 1080 for example. |
| 18:00.01 | Ahli | you can place stuff into the UI frames to have like an image showing together with the wireframe of the unit... |
| 18:00.09 | mille25 | i personally like layout files for static ui, but for dynamic ui i like script better. |
| 18:00.09 | ckSynergy | Dead: yes |
| 18:00.16 | ckSynergy | set dialog fullscreen = true |
| 18:00.26 | ckSynergy | then setup panel anchor points |
| 18:00.55 | ckSynergy | of course, if you use UI, you can have it dynamically adjust |
| 18:01.17 | DeadZergling | yea, I am typically using GUI to do dialogs |
| 18:01.24 | ckSynergy | <anchor relative="" top="0" left="0" bottom="0" right="0"/> = fullscreen |
| 18:01.29 | Blizz-Tenarsis | ckSyngergy has the right approach. like I said earlier, we deal with aspect ratios through heavy use of the anchoring system |
| 18:01.37 | DeadZergling | prefer VS as I get to actually see what I'm doing while I'm doing it, but whichever, lol |
| 18:01.53 | ckSynergy | a little too heavy if you ask me ;) |
| 18:02.47 | ckSynergy | oh, no wait |
| 18:03.00 | ckSynergy | its been awhile, but if I recall the anchoring was generally fine |
| 18:03.24 | ckSynergy | its the use of static sizes and nesting that bugged me (personal opinion, not trying to be rude) |
| 18:03.31 | mille25 | dialog item anchors are still bugged as far as i know. but just some weird combinations. |
| 18:03.46 | ckSynergy | havent had an issue mille |
| 18:03.56 | ckSynergy | but then, I dont have 1,000 dialog item variables lol |
| 18:03.58 | mille25 | i know, me neither until i wanted a special anchor |
| 18:04.05 | ckSynergy | define special? |
| 18:04.10 | Ahli | bug: if you create an dialog item (image) with the long function and copy paste it, the image disappears |
| 18:04.24 | Ahli | the image reference is a pre patch 1.5 one |
| 18:04.31 | mille25 | some combinations of anchors can bug out if you use the "attach dialog item to dialog item" function. |
| 18:04.44 | ckSynergy | mille: havent had a problem with it |
| 18:05.00 | ckSynergy | but then, I use panels :P |
| 18:05.02 | mille25 | let me see if i can give you an example, ckSynergy |
| 18:05.06 | ckSynergy | sure |
| 18:05.39 | Ahli | there was that pic with the red squares and the light blue test attachments... a few of them were wrong |
| 18:05.52 | mille25 | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/25/799/AnchorBugs.jpg |
| 18:06.07 | mille25 | one color represents expected position |
| 18:06.11 | mille25 | other color is actual position |
| 18:06.18 | ckSynergy | ok, I saw that |
| 18:06.22 | ckSynergy | and that is how old? lol |
| 18:06.23 | mille25 | the bug is kinda sneaky because the common used anchors work |
| 18:06.30 | mille25 | its old but not fixed. |
| 18:06.38 | mille25 | we have re-produced it some weeks back |
| 18:06.41 | Blizz-Tenarsis | why won't webchat scroll to the bottom on new messages... so annoying |
| 18:07.25 | mille25 | Blizz-Tenarsis: do you guys know about the anchor issue internally? |
| 18:07.26 | ckSynergy | *shrugs* idk tenarsis |
| 18:07.36 | Blizz-Tenarsis | mille we can take a look if you have a simple broken test case. I think once we got a report of this but it had way too much information to parse through and couldn't reproduce the issue |
| 18:07.51 | mille25 | okay, ill try to setup smth. |
| 18:08.01 | ckSynergy | I wonder what they were anchoring |
| 18:08.09 | Dustin|Work | Tenarsis, I was having the same issue, said fuck it and installed Xchat at work lol |
| 18:08.14 | Ahli | k, fullscreen dialog works as I wish it to work... no complains about ESC ^^ :D |
| 18:08.18 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 18:08.22 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yep mille thats the image we saw. what are we supposed to do with that? lol |
| 18:08.38 | ckSynergy | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/25/799/AnchorBugs.jpg - obvious lack of panels :P lol |
| 18:09.19 | ckSynergy | I'll admit, its a bug, but really, I cant think of a circumstance you'd want to use "attach center to left" |
| 18:10.30 | ckSynergy | btw guys, I know its not heard very often, but thanks for all ya'lls hard work |
| 18:10.42 | ckSynergy | @ Blizz |
| 18:10.54 | mille25 | ok reproduced the issue. |
| 18:11.22 | mille25 | also ckSynergy, there are cases where you want to use those bugged anchors |
| 18:11.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cheekything (~Cheekythi@cpc2-oxfd18-2-0-cust861.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 18:12.05 | ckSynergy | mille: can you give me an example of a case? |
| 18:12.47 | ckSynergy | purely curious |
| 18:13.12 | ckSynergy | btw, can you pastebin the code for the "reproduction"? |
| 18:13.19 | mille25 | Blizz-Tenarsis: http://www.file-upload.net/download-6732174/anchor-bug-map.SC2Map.html |
| 18:13.29 | mille25 | simple map to reproduce the issue. |
| 18:13.35 | ckSynergy | can you just pastebin the code? |
| 18:13.49 | ckSynergy | select, right click->copy as text |
| 18:14.20 | mille25 | ckSynergy: sure. |
| 18:14.40 | mille25 | http://pastebin.com/eTqhPUu2 |
| 18:15.23 | mille25 | galaxy version: http://pastebin.com/QrhqNLc0 |
| 18:16.49 | ckSynergy | the first paste worked |
| 18:16.50 | mille25 | as for the example of use, i tried to implement a minimap by using a center bottom left attachment to make it easier to calculate the position of the map image relative to the dialog. |
| 18:16.52 | ckSynergy | im gonna try something |
| 18:16.59 | mille25 | there are many other examples. |
| 18:18.00 | ckSynergy | a minimap via center bottom left? |
| 18:18.04 | mille25 | in addition, it doesnt even matter if those anchors are used rarely, its still a bug. |
| 18:18.11 | ckSynergy | yea, i agree with that |
| 18:19.16 | Ahli | http://imageshack.us/a/img502/3552/screenshot2012102418250.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img266/5792/bracketbaselineproblem.png do you know why "stand" isn't played and "stand unpowered" is despite being only the baseline and the other thing being an animation bracket? |
| 18:19.20 | Ahli | *mille25 |
| 18:19.26 | mille25 | i dont want to explain all technical details about my minimap system, however it has to do with the fact that map coordinates start at 0,0 at bottom left and my hero is supposted to stay in the center of the minimap at all times, while the background is moving. when attaching center bottom right it makes it easier to calculate the map image positions from hero coordinates. |
| 18:19.57 | mille25 | i know there are other ways to do this yadda yadda, i have you an example. |
| 18:20.02 | mille25 | *gave |
| 18:21.49 | Ahli | works if I stop the baseline :( |
| 18:22.04 | mille25 | huh? are you talking to me, Ahli ? |
| 18:23.22 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli (~casdasdqq@dslb-188-101-187-097.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:23.33 | mille25 | huh? were you talking to me, Ahli ? |
| 18:23.41 | ckSynergy | testing |
| 18:23.44 | Ahli | yay, crashed opera with zooming in and out |
| 18:23.46 | Ahli | yes |
| 18:24.06 | mille25 | oh im sorry, i dont know anything about the data editor. :( |
| 18:24.16 | mille25 | by the way, how did you show that cool actor information overlay? |
| 18:24.47 | mille25 | okay cool ckSynergy, let me know how it goes. |
| 18:24.49 | Ahli | that's a label I created in a frame that I edit |
| 18:24.56 | Ahli | I edit the text with a trigger |
| 18:24.59 | Ahli | so it lags on bnet |
| 18:25.08 | Ahli | oh wiat that |
| 18:25.15 | ckSynergy | freaking laggy editor |
| 18:25.17 | ckSynergy | pos computer |
| 18:25.25 | mille25 | http://imageshack.us/a/img502/3552/screenshot2012102418250.jpg |
| 18:25.25 | Ahli | some actor cheat that was in irc, but my opera just crashed... so... don't know |
| 18:25.34 | mille25 | im talking about that image :) |
| 18:25.44 | mille25 | that seems kinda useful to see if there are actors building up over time |
| 18:26.04 | Ahli | you can inspect an actor by clicking on it and hovering above it |
| 18:26.19 | Blizz-Tenarsis | that's so weird to see the actor debugger in one of your screenshots :) glad we finally were able to release it |
| 18:26.31 | Ahli | the actor guy of blizzard requested that info due to my problem... |
| 18:27.04 | mille25 | Blizz-Tenarsis: did you see the map-upload link? |
| 18:27.13 | mille25 | Ahli: wait so.. how can i bring this up? |
| 18:27.37 | Ahli | some actor cheat |
| 18:27.58 | Ahli | oh wiat I pasted the stuff into my notepad |
| 18:28.06 | Ahli | ActorInfoDisplay |
| 18:28.21 | mille25 | okay so just a chat message containing "ActorInfoDisplay"? |
| 18:28.25 | Taintedwisp | Come on Enthusiasm... COME ON!!!! |
| 18:28.30 | Ahli | INDEED!!! |
| 18:28.42 | mille25 | oh nice, ill definatly try that out :) |
| 18:29.27 | Taintedwisp | If I can build up my Enthusiasm, then I can Clean the house and Create some abilities |
| 18:32.36 | mille25 | awww |
| 18:32.41 | mille25 | it doesnt work in multiplayer :( |
| 18:33.01 | mille25 | but still neat :D |
| 18:33.27 | Blizz-Tenarsis | mille I've forwarded it on to the appropriate peoples... we will fix it even if we have to come back to you and ask you to explain the problem further :) |
| 18:33.49 | mille25 | what exactly is unclear about the issue? |
| 18:34.57 | Blizz-Tenarsis | a description of what occurs vs what is expected to occur would be helpful |
| 18:35.07 | mille25 | its in the gui trigger |
| 18:35.30 | Ahli | look at the pic :S |
| 18:35.42 | Blizz-Tenarsis | not that you didn't already give that,might have missed it, and for some reason we are dumb and have a hard time understanding that diagram that was posted a long time ago :P |
| 18:35.44 | Ahli | it's not following a strict pattern |
| 18:36.23 | mille25 | okay so the issue itself is pretty simple to explain. |
| 18:36.28 | DeadZergling | that picture would benefit from a small legend |
| 18:36.34 | mille25 | in galaxy script there is a function called "attach dialog item to dialog item" |
| 18:36.42 | Blizz-Tenarsis | okay, didn't see the comments in the triggers before |
| 18:36.56 | mille25 | are you familar with that function Blizz-Tenarsis ? |
| 18:37.08 | mille25 | i can quickly explain what it does if you need me to. |
| 18:37.36 | Blizz-Tenarsis | lol |
| 18:38.38 | mille25 | ? |
| 18:41.54 | Blizz-Tenarsis | very familiar with the UI system, but I need to check what this trigger does exactly real quick... |
| 18:42.13 | ckSynergy | blizz: I'm going to gather what data I can for ya |
| 18:42.18 | ckSynergy | if thats ok |
| 18:42.42 | mille25 | okay sure. to clarify: the confusing image that was posted a long time ago basically just shows all possible combinations of anchors |
| 18:43.01 | mille25 | then it shows what position would be expected vs the actual position ingame. |
| 18:43.41 | ckSynergy | hmmm this is odd |
| 18:43.45 | ckSynergy | no rhyme or reason to it |
| 18:44.06 | Blizz-Tenarsis | is red or purple the expected or actual? |
| 18:44.11 | mille25 | ckSynergy: if you look at the first image you will notice that actually the majority of anchor combinations dont work |
| 18:44.17 | mille25 | but like ive said, its a sneaky bug. |
| 18:44.21 | ckSynergy | yea I noticed |
| 18:44.23 | mille25 | since this combinations of anchors are rare. |
| 18:44.23 | Blizz-Tenarsis | sorry for how dumb of a question that is :P |
| 18:44.37 | ckSynergy | blue is the expected |
| 18:44.39 | ckSynergy | red is the bad |
| 18:44.54 | ckSynergy | top is the white box anchor, left is the red box anchor |
| 18:44.55 | mille25 | i agree that the image would have needed a legend. but it wasnt made by me so dont blame me! :P |
| 18:45.03 | Blizz-Tenarsis | like I said, triggers are a wrapper on top of the SC2Layout engine, and fundamentally the SC2Layout engine doesn't have Top Left anchors etc, its all done on per-side basis |
| 18:45.05 | ckSynergy | the labels I mean |
| 18:45.30 | Blizz-Tenarsis | it's probably just a bug in the translation between the two systems |
| 18:45.54 | ckSynergy | aka someone goobered a variable :P |
| 18:46.27 | mille25 | this bug exists since years, however even if you work alot with UI in starcraft you most likely wont encounter it. i just found it by accident. |
| 18:46.31 | ckSynergy | I dont know how you guys stay sane |
| 18:46.56 | mille25 | to be clear: while coding the minimap i was talking about earlier :D |
| 18:47.06 | mille25 | i didnt understand why my code didnt work |
| 18:47.09 | mille25 | and then i found this. |
| 18:47.46 | ckSynergy | yea |
| 18:48.16 | mille25 | so i asked jademus to look at it aswell, he confirmed the issue and made the confusing image. |
| 18:49.05 | Blizz-Tenarsis | that does look pretty bad. we literally do 95% or higher of our layout with SC2Layout files and not the Attach Dialog Item To Dialog item trigger, so that's why we never ran into it. |
| 18:49.08 | ckSynergy | labels are a beautiful thing. standby |
| 18:50.08 | mille25 | i know Blizz-Tenarsis , i was shocked aswell. in reality its not such a big deal though, since most of the non working anchors are rare. it can cause some frustration if you dont get why your gui code doesnt work though. |
| 18:50.10 | Blizz-Tenarsis | for example, it looks like if you try to attach the center of a dialog item to anything else on another, it attaches the center to the center of the other one rather than the correct side |
| 18:50.24 | Blizz-Tenarsis | at least from that image |
| 18:51.22 | mille25 | i cant guarantee that the image is 100% legit, but jademus is a very good programmer so i think it should be alright. it also confirmed all the issues i had observed earlier. i think i even have the source code of the testmap. |
| 18:51.52 | DeadZergling | given how vague the image is, must be a good programmer indeed |
| 18:51.54 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 18:52.05 | mille25 | well |
| 18:52.13 | mille25 | internally its just a loop that combines all anchors |
| 18:52.15 | mille25 | since its just ints. |
| 18:52.24 | mille25 | im just not sure how he did the expected positions |
| 18:52.29 | mille25 | would have to look that up |
| 18:53.00 | ckSynergy | http://i.imgur.com/vSsrK.jpg |
| 18:53.02 | ckSynergy | updated pic |
| 18:53.10 | ckSynergy | for dialog anchors |
| 18:53.20 | Zolden | Ahli, on that picture http://imageshack.us/a/img502/3552/screenshot2012102418250.jpg you have some cool information above the screen about the actors - how to output it? |
| 18:53.35 | mille25 | Zolden: ActorInfoDisplay |
| 18:53.39 | mille25 | type that as a chat message |
| 18:53.47 | mille25 | just learned about that myself :D |
| 18:54.08 | Blizz-Tenarsis | alright, that should definitely be enough for us to nail it for Swarm |
| 18:54.08 | Zolden | wow |
| 18:54.10 | Zolden | cool |
| 18:54.32 | mille25 | nice to hear that Blizz-Tenarsis :) im glad you asked me again to explain the details of it |
| 18:54.55 | ckSynergy | oops |
| 18:54.56 | ckSynergy | http://i.imgur.com/j49fn.jpg |
| 18:56.19 | DeadZergling | anyways, anyone used SOP operations on missile actors? I been having issues doing that lately. |
| 18:58.56 | *** join/#sc2mapster zlefin (~zlefin@pool-173-48-173-195.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 19:00.11 | ckSynergy | oh wow |
| 19:00.15 | ckSynergy | this is interesting |
| 19:00.45 | ckSynergy | dialog item positioning: http://i.imgur.com/2nmBi.jpg |
| 19:00.47 | ckSynergy | check that out |
| 19:01.28 | Ahli | you need to write a title in the top right corner |
| 19:01.34 | ckSynergy | lmao |
| 19:01.49 | ckSynergy | Im not doing a college book report man |
| 19:01.50 | Ahli | and galaxy function name ;) |
| 19:02.02 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 19:02.10 | ckSynergy | yea, but anyway, the original image was entirely confusing |
| 19:02.19 | Ahli | absolutely |
| 19:02.20 | ckSynergy | those few tweaks actually help to understand whats going on |
| 19:02.27 | ckSynergy | imho |
| 19:03.10 | Ahli | my cars have 5 behaviors atm :D |
| 19:03.22 | ckSynergy | heh |
| 19:03.26 | Ahli | and traffic lights are fully working |
| 19:03.41 | Ahli | oh, I need to add a green omni light |
| 19:05.02 | DeadZergling | Trying again, has anyone used SOP operations on missile actors? I been having issues doing that lately. |
| 19:06.08 | mille25 | ckSynergy: yeah there is definatly a pattern, but that was kinda expected. i think they know whats going on now though. |
| 19:08.17 | ckSynergy | yea it was expected, but hard to tell anything from the original image |
| 19:09.30 | mille25 | yeah the color definatly helps. |
| 19:09.49 | mille25 | however... back to the real important topics: we want LAN! |
| 19:09.51 | mille25 | jk |
| 19:10.59 | *** join/#sc2mapster MindWorX (~MindWorX@d58c5c29.rev.dansknet.dk) |
| 19:15.50 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 19:18.48 | ckSynergy | I really wish we could make healing effects that scale |
| 19:18.51 | ckSynergy | without long work arounds |
| 19:22.19 | Dustin|Work | I used a Behavior that increased life regen and then I stack them for a higher heal rate |
| 19:23.50 | Blizz-Tenarsis | ckSynergy that's a cool image. there's no way we can mess up fixing this now :P |
| 19:25.10 | DeadZergling | I don't get the scaling issue, can't you just make a heal effect heal by percentage for that? |
| 19:27.49 | mille25 | hey btw Blizz-Tenarsis, will there be any updates on global publishing or the marketplace in the near future? been waiting along time for this :) would be great to hear something. |
| 19:28.37 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 19:28.39 | Blizz-Tenarsis | just posted on the us forums about global publishing, if you get me drunk enough on positive community interaction maybe I can spill the beans on more things :P |
| 19:28.43 | ckSynergy | never say never |
| 19:28.53 | ckSynergy | I know Ive thought the same and I screw up all the time lol |
| 19:29.05 | ckSynergy | global publishing? |
| 19:29.06 | mille25 | lol okay. |
| 19:29.08 | mille25 | we need beer. |
| 19:29.11 | ckSynergy | link? |
| 19:29.59 | Ahli | so, we only need to publish onece? :D |
| 19:30.02 | Ahli | *once |
| 19:30.05 | mille25 | no but seriously, i can understand that you probably cant talk about stuff like the marketplace. the problem is just that there are some people who worked on their projects for months or even years already (myself included) and that really would like to know if they can expect smth to come up or not. |
| 19:30.19 | Ahli | nooo, 2 cars crashed into each other |
| 19:30.33 | Ahli | dump truck was to slow for the traffic lights |
| 19:30.35 | DeadZergling | sounds like your traffic is working then ahli |
| 19:31.15 | Ahli | yeah, it works :D but my nicer turnings create the collision prevention stops :D |
| 19:31.31 | Ahli | then 2 cars stare each other and then they stop forever |
| 19:32.01 | Ahli | ok, need to raise the speed of those units |
| 19:32.10 | Ahli | or raise the buffer time |
| 19:32.14 | Ahli | of the traffic lights |
| 19:32.40 | Ahli | so all lights stay red longer |
| 19:33.38 | Blizz-Tenarsis | mille this isn't a great answer, but even without direct built-in microtransactions in the client, it should be possible for the most successful maps to even monetize through the website supporting that map |
| 19:33.55 | Blizz-Tenarsis | for example I think they did pretty well with the war3 dota website in terms of ad revenue |
| 19:34.07 | mille25 | i know, but donations and pay to play are still a huge difference. |
| 19:34.18 | mille25 | i hope this doesnt mean the entire thing was scrapped :( |
| 19:34.57 | Ahli | so I couldn't get money because the site my projects are hosted has no ads? |
| 19:35.28 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Diablo 3 has built the foundation of our microtransaction architecture and we want to expand that into SC2 for sure over the next year or two |
| 19:36.01 | mille25 | alright, thanks sir. |
| 19:36.06 | mille25 | thats enough for me. :D |
| 19:37.12 | Ahli | turn before moving... that's why they are so slow :S |
| 19:37.16 | Blizz-Tenarsis | the reality is that some development resources are shared across teams and it just means we have to take much longer on these features than anyone at the company would prefer to have |
| 19:37.17 | mille25 | Ahli: usually what you would do is you would allow donations and have ads to make money without pay to play |
| 19:39.02 | mille25 | Blizz-Tenarsis: at least that means that you guys still want the marketplace, right? its just about resources. |
| 19:39.34 | mille25 | im just worried because it was announced like years ago and there are nearly zero updates on this, so i thought there is probably a conceptional problem. |
| 19:39.54 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yep. we will most likely first integrate Blizzard selling content in SC2, then expose it to the end users once the system is mature enough |
| 19:40.26 | TheSkunk__ | That is good to here |
| 19:41.01 | mille25 | thanks for all this Blizz-Tenarsis , this really helps me and alot of other semi-professionals aswell. |
| 19:41.02 | Blizz-Tenarsis | it's just not something that Blizzard can take lightly as a company for a ton of reasons, like potential legal problems, how it affects customer support, etc. |
| 19:41.27 | TheSkunk__ | I'm going out now, but thanks a lot for coming in here Tenarsis & the others, its great to be able to talk directly to developers |
| 19:41.32 | Blizz-Tenarsis | there's features I can just go and add myself. and then there's things that we need to coordinate and take our time on |
| 19:41.40 | Blizz-Tenarsis | thanks TheSkunk, have a good day friend |
| 19:42.24 | mille25 | the situation on my end for example is that i started to work on a huge project in a team about 2 years ago, but over the time i got more and more worried whether the marketplace is still planned or not. even though i mapped for fun at first, after months of hard work and dedication it gets to a point where you kinda want to be rewared for all this in some way, especially if its a huge complex project. at some point it slowly transi |
| 19:42.33 | *** part/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.83.252.224.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 19:42.44 | ckSynergy | aye |
| 19:43.04 | ckSynergy | would be nice to get at least some compensation for a year+ worth of work |
| 19:43.40 | zlefin | understandable |
| 19:45.50 | Blizz-Tenarsis | no one on our team is happy about that situation |
| 19:45.59 | zlefin | so, how about some balancing talk? |
| 19:46.30 | ckSynergy | balancing? |
| 19:46.35 | ckSynergy | like, ladder stuff? |
| 19:46.38 | mille25 | anyway, i hope that "over the next year or two" somehow transists to "over the next year", hehe. |
| 19:46.40 | zlefin | yeah |
| 19:46.44 | ckSynergy | blah |
| 19:46.48 | Ahli | ok... now I need better city terrain... |
| 19:46.49 | ckSynergy | thats what forums are for lol |
| 19:46.51 | mille25 | but i can totally understand the problem. |
| 19:47.07 | zlefin | but i can't get on the forums |
| 19:47.29 | Blizz-Tenarsis | you guys have done awesome work and people have played thousands of hours of user created content without any reward to the creator. we really do want to take it to the next level in so many ways and are working on it |
| 19:47.34 | zlefin | i'm curious why blizzard didn't just put innate base defense into the races |
| 19:47.38 | zlefin | instead of making it a feature of the maps |
| 19:48.03 | zlefin | innate base defense worked fine for wc3 |
| 19:48.05 | *** join/#sc2mapster Creation25 (46e69b7e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.230.155.126) |
| 19:49.06 | ckSynergy | ? |
| 19:49.10 | ckSynergy | innate base defense? |
| 19:49.36 | mille25 | alright man, thanks for talking semi-open about this. its great to finally hear smth :) |
| 19:50.11 | zlefin | yeah, innate base defense, like how in wc3 there's the militia, the UD town hall with its attack (whe upgraded), burrows, trees that attack |
| 19:50.22 | ckSynergy | oh psh |
| 19:50.26 | ckSynergy | this aint wc3 |
| 19:50.33 | zlefin | but sc2 HAS innate base defense |
| 19:50.40 | zlefin | the game si balanced aroudn the existence of innate base defense |
| 19:50.45 | zlefin | don't pretend it isn't :P |
| 19:50.56 | zlefin | sc2 just shifted the innate base defense from being a feature of the race toa feature of the m aps |
| 19:51.07 | zlefin | every single map has to be buitl with a HUGE innate defense advantage |
| 19:51.10 | ckSynergy | *shrugs* |
| 19:51.12 | ckSynergy | I dont play ladder |
| 19:51.29 | zlefin | so tehre's no reason not to have it in sc |
| 19:51.49 | DeadZergling | man, didn't know juice could be so bad |
| 19:51.51 | zlefin | blizzfolk? |
| 19:51.55 | DeadZergling | last time I have v8 I think |
| 19:52.27 | A1win | zlefin, wouldn't it make different maps less interesting if it didn't matter so much what the map is like? |
| 19:52.51 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (~Bibendus@ip-80-249-36-63.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 19:52.58 | zlefin | you seem to think maps aren't already extremely similar |
| 19:53.01 | DeadZergling | Trying yet again, has anyone used SOP operations on missile actors? I been having issues doing that lately. |
| 19:53.26 | zlefin | and innate base defense, and a well balanced siege system |
| 19:53.31 | zlefin | allow for FAR more map variety |
| 19:53.36 | zlefin | than the current extremely limited system |
| 19:53.39 | A1win | I mean wouldn't it make the gameplay of each map less interesting if the map didn't matter so much, sure the maps would seem more different |
| 19:54.07 | zlefin | it would make a huge difference, because maps woudl matter more |
| 19:54.14 | zlefin | as is a HUGE number of maps are simply nonexistent |
| 19:54.24 | zlefin | because the way thes ystem is setup, they're unbalanced and unsupportable |
| 19:55.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster XenoX101 (XenoX101@ppp118-209-14-113.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) |
| 19:55.07 | Ahli | what's the trick in making round roads that do not look ugly? |
| 19:55.08 | zlefin | allowing more maps to exist and be balanced allows for far more variance |
| 19:55.28 | zlefin | hmm, the blizzfolk seem to have gone afk, too bad, i was hoping to talk to them |
| 19:55.29 | DeadZergling | gradualness is what I had to use ahli, lol |
| 19:55.37 | DeadZergling | and if that doesn't work, put some debri on the ugly spots |
| 19:56.38 | Ahli | what's gradualness? |
| 19:56.57 | ckSynergy | I cant wait for all stars |
| 19:57.06 | ckSynergy | Ahli |
| 19:57.12 | ckSynergy | you talking about corners? |
| 19:57.23 | Ahli | I want a curve |
| 19:57.24 | Vailreth | im in firefall beta |
| 19:57.26 | Ahli | for a highway |
| 19:57.27 | ckSynergy | ok yea |
| 19:57.32 | ckSynergy | turn on the grid |
| 19:57.38 | ckSynergy | "g" twice |
| 19:57.41 | ckSynergy | so you see the smallest |
| 19:57.53 | Ahli | ok |
| 19:58.01 | ckSynergy | now, let me see, how do I explain this |
| 19:58.20 | ckSynergy | ok, I'll normally click a major point, say a interection of red lines |
| 19:58.31 | ckSynergy | then I goto the next intersection of red lines, and click again |
| 19:58.36 | ckSynergy | that gives me a straight path |
| 19:58.51 | ckSynergy | then I go 2 small grid spaces up, and 2 over, and click |
| 19:59.03 | ckSynergy | then I follow the diagonal and click again |
| 19:59.12 | Ahli | I want the road doodad from hots |
| 19:59.23 | ckSynergy | then, once I have my curve setup, I go back and adjust the 2nd to last |
| 19:59.33 | ckSynergy | and move it so its 1 small over, and 2 up |
| 19:59.36 | Ahli | that thing looks beatiful... the mess I created is... underwhelming |
| 19:59.40 | ckSynergy | (or whichever way the road goes) |
| 20:00.19 | ckSynergy | basically, nice curves involve 2-3 points |
| 20:00.45 | ckSynergy | you make sure one is straight, and one is angled 45 to the other |
| 20:01.07 | ckSynergy | send me your map and I'll fix a corner for you so you can see |
| 20:01.29 | A1win | draw the curve on a grid paper, then check which points of the grid are the closest to the curve, and then draw the curve as straight lines using those points as nodes |
| 20:01.34 | A1win | then replicate it in the editor o: |
| 20:02.12 | ckSynergy | wtb copy-paste roads lol |
| 20:03.14 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cheekything (~Cheekythi@cpc2-oxfd18-2-0-cust861.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 20:03.26 | ckSynergy | actually, hold on |
| 20:03.33 | ckSynergy | Ahli: I'll send you my test map ok? |
| 20:04.44 | DeadZergling | speaking of roads, is it possible to have decent intersections? |
| 20:05.00 | DeadZergling | 4 way and such |
| 20:05.54 | ckSynergy | Dead: its possible |
| 20:06.02 | ckSynergy | just dont overlap the roads |
| 20:06.19 | zlefin | hmmm, more talk in the clumping threads |
| 20:06.23 | Ahli | no need |
| 20:07.33 | ckSynergy | you got it? |
| 20:07.58 | DeadZergling | they wouldn't really connect then though, would they |
| 20:08.11 | ckSynergy | nope |
| 20:08.17 | ckSynergy | thats when you use a texture or splat |
| 20:08.38 | zlefin | blizz should be able to fix the perception issues aroudn deathballing better |
| 20:08.47 | zlefin | as well as the clumping issue |
| 20:08.48 | ckSynergy | like a concrete texture and the terran line doodad |
| 20:12.17 | Tolkfan | http://i.imgur.com/ZBhaI.jpg this is how I make intersections |
| 20:12.48 | Vailreth | well im not going to buy another gearbox game |
| 20:13.23 | Ahli | at least we can finetune road points with holding ctrl and leftclick |
| 20:13.30 | Ahli | that repairs most of the uglyness |
| 20:13.50 | zlefin | they should really try some of the easy ways to see what the game is like with perfect micro |
| 20:15.20 | Ahli | just add a plating as intersection |
| 20:15.29 | Ahli | like it was done in the campaign |
| 20:15.38 | Ahli | or black terrain and paint white lines onto it with doodads |
| 20:15.39 | zlefin | i don't see why they don't just include formation controls, that would allow people to focus their attention on good gameplay instead of trivialities |
| 20:15.43 | Ahli | *dark terrain |
| 20:16.17 | zlefin | how hard is it to change the unit movement ai? |
| 20:16.53 | Ahli | uberhard |
| 20:17.09 | zlefin | too bad, it'd allow for some cool stuff |
| 20:18.07 | Ahli | because... we can't tinker with pathfinding code's parameters... or replace it or whatever |
| 20:18.40 | zlefin | quite unfortunate, there's a lot of really neat things to be done there. |
| 20:19.14 | Dustin|Work | You can mess with Movers |
| 20:19.23 | Dustin|Work | But they are kinda retrded |
| 20:22.13 | zlefin | i wish blizz had focused the game more on good play than on apm spam |
| 20:22.47 | Ahli | wow, roads aren't that hard :D |
| 20:23.03 | Ahli | just use a lot of the points and fix their orientation |
| 20:23.57 | A1win | zlefin, that's something for a different game |
| 20:24.03 | A1win | (or a mod) |
| 20:24.16 | A1win | they can't change it that much from the original |
| 20:25.41 | zlefin | they can, they just choose not to |
| 20:25.58 | A1win | ._o |
| 20:25.59 | zlefin | though id' be happy to make a mod for it, since it's better game design |
| 20:26.00 | A1win | that's what I meant |
| 20:26.13 | A1win | they can't because it'd affect them negatively |
| 20:26.17 | zlefin | well, ther'es quite a bit they could do in taht regards in fact |
| 20:26.19 | Tolkfan | Bioware are just geniuses... blocking certain emotes for F2P pllayers http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/generalemotes.jpg |
| 20:26.20 | zlefin | i disagree |
| 20:26.31 | *** join/#sc2mapster Blizz-Deletarius (d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72) |
| 20:26.34 | zlefin | there may be some haters, but mostly people who don't understand game design |
| 20:26.35 | Blizz-Deletarius | back |
| 20:26.40 | zlefin | welcome back |
| 20:26.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | so I really like the scenarios in wow |
| 20:27.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | first time I did one during lunch |
| 20:27.06 | Dustin|Work | Scenarios? |
| 20:27.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | yea |
| 20:27.11 | Dustin|Work | IS it like a mini instance or something |
| 20:27.12 | Blizz-Deletarius | they |
| 20:27.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | kinda |
| 20:27.20 | zlefin | at any rate, i'm glad i've got a plan to make mcuh more dynamic and interesting games of sc2 |
| 20:27.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | they're like a set of objectives |
| 20:27.30 | zlefin | now I just need to get peopel to test it |
| 20:27.31 | Blizz-Deletarius | where you only need 3 people to do it |
| 20:27.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | don't need tank healer dps x3 |
| 20:27.41 | Dustin|Work | Ah, nice |
| 20:27.50 | Blizz-Deletarius | quick - 10-15 minute long things |
| 20:27.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | pretty cool |
| 20:28.20 | Saeris | i dunno, i didn't like some of them |
| 20:28.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | I've only done one |
| 20:28.35 | Blizz-Deletarius | on my dps the queue was instant |
| 20:28.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | which is always a plus |
| 20:28.50 | Saeris | the narative just wasn't there where it prolly needed to be |
| 20:28.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh |
| 20:28.58 | Dustin|Work | Did anyone here use to listen to WoW Radio? |
| 20:29.14 | Blizz-Deletarius | that is so low on my list of priorities for what matters to me |
| 20:29.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | for wow anyway |
| 20:29.32 | Saeris | like the theramore one, i stil don't quite get why that one happens, because they do a pretty bad job of explaining it |
| 20:30.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | get gear, move on |
| 20:30.06 | Blizz-Deletarius | is it fun? cool, works for me |
| 20:31.11 | Saeris | i mean, i don't want to sit through 5 mins of RP like some of the LK dungeons |
| 20:31.21 | Saeris | but a little more information about what' |
| 20:31.31 | Saeris | 's going on would make me care a little bit more about what i'm doing |
| 20:31.38 | Blizz-Deletarius | ah |
| 20:31.42 | Saeris | other than hey, there are bad guys, kill them |
| 20:32.03 | Saeris | oh and btw, this thing that's been here forever? yea it's just gone now |
| 20:32.24 | Saeris | so yea, i dunno. they have lots of potential for sure |
| 20:32.42 | Saeris | i'm just not sold on them yet |
| 20:33.33 | DeadZergling | would it help if they were.... REALLY bad guys? |
| 20:33.45 | Saeris | no, not really |
| 20:33.48 | Creation25 | It's difficult to create engaging and intimate RP in multiplayer environments, but it can be done. |
| 20:34.13 | Saeris | like |
| 20:34.16 | DeadZergling | what if they were..... REALLY bad guys with outfits that don't mesh well at all. |
| 20:34.22 | DeadZergling | Would that inspire you to kill them faster? |
| 20:34.45 | Ahli | bug, maybe... If I hold ctrl to rotate units with left click and I click onto another unit, my selected unit does not rotate... |
| 20:34.47 | DeadZergling | I know what you saying though Saeris, lol |
| 20:35.03 | Saeris | play the theramore scenario, and you'll see that there's next to no dialog explaining what's going on (nor to logically explain why you should be doing the objectives) |
| 20:35.11 | Ahli | Blizz-Deletarius: 3 lines above |
| 20:35.15 | Tolkfan | intimate RP = ERP in Goldshire :D |
| 20:36.18 | zlefin | well, i'm gonna go play lol, if anyone wants to talk about containment in sc2 as it relates to design i'd love to sometime |
| 20:36.49 | Saeris | i much prefer a situation where NPC's are at least shouting out hey! help do this thing because reasons! rather than one objective appearing on the screen, then another as soon as I've completed that one, as if my character knows something i don't |
| 20:37.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster Triceron (1854e5d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.84.229.210) |
| 20:37.24 | Saeris | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.35 | Triceron | aww, i missed the rant |
| 20:38.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | wow, lore, and immersion |
| 20:38.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | you didn't miss the rant |
| 20:38.52 | Triceron | ahh |
| 20:39.00 | DeadZergling | that's good in some ways saeris |
| 20:39.09 | DeadZergling | but some prefer not to walk back and forth so much |
| 20:39.31 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's good for a player like me that doesn't really at all pay attention to WoW's story |
| 20:39.37 | DeadZergling | when I would 'quest' so to speak, I'd mostly be, okay, what next |
| 20:39.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | because to me, it's an MMO, I'm making the story and the experience for myself |
| 20:39.58 | Saeris | oh it's not even walking back and forth. there could be NPC's placed along the path you are taking, or ne that follows you that shouts out what to do next |
| 20:40.09 | Saeris | i don't like running back and forth to a quest giver either |
| 20:41.29 | Saeris | i actually really like the quests that automatically pop up and complete as objectives are met. |
| 20:42.31 | Saeris | can break up a long multi-object quest into linear components and reqard you incrementally, which has the positive effect of making you feel like you're doing more |
| 20:43.53 | Saeris | anyways |
| 20:48.44 | Ahli | let's see if this works... made a huge road with bridge |
| 20:49.42 | DeadZergling | Has anyone used SOP actors on missile actors, I been having issues getting them to work at all. |
| 20:51.06 | DeadZergling | all I'm really wanting to do is make the missile actor do a 180 |
| 20:51.12 | DeadZergling | face the other way |
| 21:02.32 | *** join/#sc2mapster TheSkunk__ (~TheSkunk_@74.37.254.85) |
| 21:12.14 | Ahli | what's the requirement for a bridge to lift units onto its model? |
| 21:12.55 | Ahli | the mar sara long bridge seems to have the required physics thing in its model. but just adding a footprint doesn't give me success |
| 21:24.44 | Ahli | small mar sara bridges ftw |
| 21:29.41 | Blizz-Tenarsis | DeadZergling: you should just be able to add the site op to the missile actor and have it function like any site op normally would. if you can't get it to work, we can take a look if you could post up a thread about it |
| 21:30.57 | Blizz-Tenarsis | in the next 2.0 patch, we are adding a lot (~200) more tooltips to fields, specifically in Actor, Unit, and Effects, including some decent documentation on hosting and site ops |
| 21:32.57 | Creation25 | Hey blizz did you guys increase the amount of data we can upload on a mod? I was able to upload a 26MB compressed mod to bnet. I thought the cap was 20. |
| 21:33.38 | Creation25 | Just wondering what the max is supposed to be now. |
| 21:41.47 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yeah we totally gave you guys this awesome improvement on map upload limits and didn't talk about it much or get that much positive response :) |
| 21:42.59 | Ahli | time for more traffic lights |
| 21:43.06 | Blizz-Tenarsis | I think a single document can now be up to something like 100mb, and the total limit went from 100mb to 150mb |
| 21:43.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | that sounds about right |
| 21:44.16 | Ahli | did you raise the file limit, too? |
| 21:46.16 | Blizz-Tenarsis | I think I asked to raise everything including maps because why does it matter how many maps you have uploaded? not sure exactly what happened though, would have to check my email |
| 21:47.00 | Saeris | hmm |
| 21:47.13 | Saeris | last i had check it was 50mb, but i haven't check in months |
| 21:47.29 | Saeris | that's really good news for my mod though, haha |
| 21:47.32 | Ahli | 154mb was after 1.5 |
| 21:47.37 | Ahli | I think |
| 21:47.41 | Saeris | sweet |
| 21:48.01 | Ahli | omg, there is a select unit on map in the trigger editor :D |
| 21:48.16 | DeadZergling | nifty isn't it ahli? |
| 21:48.20 | Saeris | well i'm pretty sure I can fit all the grapics portion in one mod now then |
| 21:48.22 | DeadZergling | is one for doodads too |
| 21:48.25 | Saeris | audio is still iffy |
| 21:49.53 | Blizz-Deletarius | we've got some sweet stuff coming as well in future patches |
| 21:50.15 | Sixen | I like sweet stuff, ^_^. |
| 21:50.40 | Creation25 | That's awesome. I never saw a patch note on file size upload increase. |
| 21:51.54 | Blizz-Tenarsis | its sooooo sweet. the sweetnesss. is epic |
| 21:52.31 | Saeris | i'm really curious to see what's coming |
| 21:53.12 | Blizz-Tenarsis | the only problem is we added too much stuff in Swarm and now the editor runs slower :) |
| 21:54.17 | Saeris | and here i was hoping for things to speed up my workflow! haha |
| 21:55.17 | Ahli | what's faster, invisible model or hidden actor? |
| 21:55.50 | Creation25 | Yeah I've been meaning to ask, if we add all the Liberty and Swarm dependencies to a single map, is that going to cause the game's execution times to run slower or anything? I'm assuming the XML script size is going to increase by leaps and bounds. |
| 21:56.48 | Creation25 | Naturally the editor will run slower, but what about the game itself.. you guys having any problems with that? ... Or am I asking too many questions? :D |
| 21:57.20 | Saeris | i think the maps will just load slower overall, more data to load |
| 21:57.21 | Blizz-Tenarsis | it slows down the editor a lot more than it slows down the game, because the editor tries to do things like show every single possible unit in a dropdown, where the game only has to deal with the units actually in the current game |
| 21:57.33 | *** join/#sc2mapster soulcarverr (636fdec1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.111.222.193) |
| 21:58.13 | Creation25 | ok cool |
| 21:59.17 | ckSynergy | ummmm just curious but |
| 21:59.35 | ckSynergy | Anyone else here use single dependancies? |
| 21:59.53 | ckSynergy | ex. I added the liberty campaign to my dependancies, but not liberty |
| 22:00.02 | ckSynergy | anyone else run this way? |
| 22:00.06 | Zolden | sweet stuff coming with further patches? sweet for mappers or for players? |
| 22:00.59 | Creation25 | I'd assume both Zolden :) |
| 22:01.00 | Blizz-Tenarsis | that actually doesn't do anything, and you'll see why in the 2.0 editor with a change that was made to the dependencies dialog |
| 22:03.16 | ckSynergy | ? |
| 22:03.22 | Ahli | added button for hots? |
| 22:03.23 | ckSynergy | I just do it because it's easier |
| 22:03.36 | ckSynergy | I know it pulls all the old dependancy data |
| 22:03.43 | ckSynergy | or linked data |
| 22:03.55 | ckSynergy | will it not do that? |
| 22:03.59 | ckSynergy | in 2.0? |
| 22:04.19 | Ahli | how fast should units drive on a highway in.... korhal? |
| 22:04.26 | Ahli | like a truck |
| 22:04.26 | ckSynergy | 80-100mph? |
| 22:04.30 | ckSynergy | 60mph |
| 22:04.37 | Ahli | in sc2 speed |
| 22:04.51 | ckSynergy | 2.75 |
| 22:05.02 | ckSynergy | maybe 2 for trucks |
| 22:05.13 | Ahli | 2-3 is my current speed for trucks |
| 22:05.17 | ckSynergy | just depends on you lol |
| 22:05.20 | Blizz-Tenarsis | there's a tree that shows the full dependency chain |
| 22:06.54 | Ahli | hmm, can a behavior just raise the max speed of a unit and not tinker with its current speed? |
| 22:07.20 | A1win | what do you mean by max speed? |
| 22:07.32 | Ahli | units got acceleration and deacceleration |
| 22:07.36 | A1win | oh |
| 22:07.39 | ckSynergy | ah |
| 22:07.40 | A1win | probably not then |
| 22:07.41 | Ahli | so their speed is not always on max speed |
| 22:08.04 | ckSynergy | ok, as long as its not like a "this will break your map if you're doing _this_" thing |
| 22:09.27 | Ahli | what's the unified move speed factor? factor that is used as a sum in all behaviors together and then multiplied with the speed of the unit? |
| 22:09.40 | Ahli | instead of multiplying it with each buff? |
| 22:10.59 | Zolden | Ahli, if increasing max speed affects acceleration, then let the behavior increase max speed and decrease acceleration with the same factor |
| 22:12.00 | soulcarverr | units already have an acceleration value... |
| 22:12.02 | soulcarverr | and deceleration values |
| 22:12.13 | soulcarverr | turn speeds |
| 22:12.15 | soulcarverr | and everything |
| 22:13.25 | Ahli | there is no max movement speed bonus |
| 22:13.46 | Ahli | movement speed maximum is 160 by default in the behavior |
| 22:14.17 | Ahli | but that doesn't make the unit be able to accelerate that far or adds that to the unit's speed |
| 22:16.36 | Ahli | I need to add multiple layers of max speed for collisions... |
| 22:16.55 | Ahli | it decreases from 11 to 1 instantly :D |
| 22:17.02 | Ahli | and then slowly accelerates again |
| 22:18.22 | Ahli | ok, unified move speed factor seems to be 1+valueIuseThere |
| 22:19.13 | soulcarverr | with triggers you can set the units current speed |
| 22:19.22 | soulcarverr | pretty sure |
| 22:23.23 | A1win | I haven't seen a trigger like that |
| 22:23.58 | A1win | just a trigger to set a unit's movement speed (a unit property) |
| 22:24.02 | A1win | which sets the max speed |
| 22:25.47 | Ahli | Models have a field labeled as "Tibability"... it needs to be "Tipability" (in the non-raw names) |
| 22:29.08 | Blizz-Deletarius | really? |
| 22:34.38 | Ahli | I guess... |
| 22:34.56 | Ahli | the other fields with tipability are written tipability |
| 22:49.29 | soulcarverr | hmm? |
| 22:49.33 | soulcarverr | dead im here now |
| 22:56.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster TheSkunk__ (~TheSkunk_@74.37.254.202) |
| 23:20.08 | Ahli | when I set the camera rotation to a camera object ot be the facing of a unit and then I apply it, the camera does not always rotate properly... |
| 23:22.32 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (442ccc3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.44.204.59) |
| 23:22.34 | Bounty | Hay Guyz |
| 23:22.45 | TheSkunk__ | Hello |
| 23:22.47 | Bounty | wtf |
| 23:22.52 | Bounty | Blizz-Tenarsis |
| 23:22.54 | Bounty | who is this guy |
| 23:22.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:23.01 | Bounty | we got a new friend? |
| 23:23.02 | TheSkunk__ | He's one of the Six. |
| 23:23.06 | TheSkunk__ | He's been here before |
| 23:23.10 | TheSkunk__ | :P |
| 23:23.18 | Bounty | The Six? Like the Nine from LoTR? |
| 23:23.30 | TheSkunk__ | Seriously, this is at least the 3rd time I've seen Tenarsis here |
| 23:23.41 | Bounty | World first for me |
| 23:23.55 | A1win | he seems to know everything about the editor :x |
| 23:23.59 | TheSkunk__ | Yeah, something like that -- one of the Six developers them mentioned when cloaken first made the post about them hanging out on the forums |
| 23:24.27 | Ahli | tenarsis was the one who does the crazy magic I believe |
| 23:24.40 | Bounty | What does Artestru know? I dont think i've ever seen him say much |
| 23:24.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:24.46 | Bounty | oh wait |
| 23:24.50 | Bounty | hes the cutscene guy right? |
| 23:24.55 | TheSkunk__ | Yeah believe so |
| 23:25.02 | Bounty | That explains it |
| 23:25.07 | TheSkunk__ | Tenarsis (I think) is the UI guy |
| 23:25.08 | Bounty | Not much talk about that goes on here |
| 23:25.10 | Bounty | >.< |
| 23:25.18 | TheSkunk__ | Not that they are really sollidly stuck to any one area |
| 23:25.24 | Bounty | To bad he was not here during our UI discussion yesterday |
| 23:25.30 | Bounty | and how i claimed it was easy |
| 23:25.52 | Bounty | (which it is) =) |
| 23:26.03 | Bounty | neways |
| 23:26.09 | Bounty | apparently some site wants to host one of my projects |
| 23:26.10 | Bounty | udmod? |
| 23:26.13 | Bounty | never heard of them.... |
| 23:26.34 | TheSkunk__ | You haven't? :P |
| 23:26.40 | Bounty | nope |
| 23:26.41 | Bounty | Should i have? |
| 23:26.52 | TheSkunk__ | I dunno, its been around for a while |
| 23:26.59 | TheSkunk__ | I visit there every now and then: http://www.udmod.com/ |
| 23:27.02 | Ahli | hmmm... camera follows the unit in every direction when I use 0.0 to 359.9 only |
| 23:27.13 | Bounty | Should i accept the offer then? |
| 23:27.27 | Bounty | He said i can put a donate button on my forums :) |
| 23:27.29 | TheSkunk__ | I mean, Hive Keeper is hosted there.. |
| 23:27.38 | Bounty | so its Mineralz |
| 23:27.40 | Bounty | is* |
| 23:27.40 | Ahli | staredit.net can host your stuff, too :D |
| 23:27.49 | TheSkunk__ | ww diplo.. |
| 23:28.00 | TheSkunk__ | all sorts of people who hang out on here, mapster, and the sc2 forums go there |
| 23:28.02 | Bounty | Yeah but i want traffic |
| 23:28.08 | Bounty | So... are they good for that? |
| 23:28.15 | Repo | New map: imposible_nirvanna_arkade - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/impossible_nirvanna/ |
| 23:28.15 | Repo | New map: Reversi (fully functional) - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/reversi-fully-functional/ |
| 23:28.16 | Repo | New map: Inordinate Violence - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/inordinate-violence/ |
| 23:28.20 | Repo | New asset: Sorted Multiplayer Leaderboard - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/sorted-multiplayer-leaderboard/ |
| 23:28.28 | TheSkunk__ | I don't really know, can't give you any advice there, I was just suprised you haven't heard of them at all |
| 23:29.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | bounty, there's a number of us |
| 23:29.18 | Bounty | well ive made 53 cents on my youtube in the last week |
| 23:29.21 | Bounty | quite proud of that |
| 23:29.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | Artestru, Tenarsis, Rotidecs |
| 23:29.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | myself |
| 23:29.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | etc |
| 23:29.32 | Bounty | Rotidecs? lol |
| 23:29.39 | Ahli | posts on forums |
| 23:29.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | he's on from time to time |
| 23:29.42 | Blizz-Deletarius | on the forums |
| 23:29.45 | Blizz-Deletarius | not irc |
| 23:30.04 | TheSkunk__ | "Deletarius, Revilloso, Artestru, Xuzaca, Rotidecs, and Tenarsis" |
| 23:30.07 | Ahli | yay I can follow a unit that drives through the city |
| 23:30.12 | Blizz-Deletarius | there it is |
| 23:30.14 | TheSkunk__ | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6231594160#1 |
| 23:30.29 | Ahli | "Xuzaca"... I never noticed that person |
| 23:30.37 | Blizz-Deletarius | he's posted a few times |
| 23:30.51 | TheSkunk__ | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/search?a=Xuzaca&f=post |
| 23:30.55 | TheSkunk__ | yeah 19 posts |
| 23:31.04 | Bounty | I think we can all agree that of "The Six", Deletarius would be the Witch King |
| 23:31.10 | Ahli | can I offset the target of a unit follow? |
| 23:31.13 | TheSkunk__ | totally |
| 23:31.19 | Ahli | I would like to watch over the unit I follow with camera |
| 23:31.20 | Bounty | If we combined the activity of all the other 6 |
| 23:31.24 | Bounty | It would not = Deletarius |
| 23:31.27 | Bounty | i find that funny |
| 23:31.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:31.42 | Bounty | so either A. Deletarius has lots of down time |
| 23:31.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | I wouldn't say that |
| 23:31.45 | TheSkunk__ | Yeah, but deletarius often sends them stuff that we send him |
| 23:31.46 | TheSkunk__ | via email |
| 23:31.50 | TheSkunk__ | and he passes it on |
| 23:31.51 | ckSynergy | hey bounty sup |
| 23:32.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | a lot of the time too, unless I'm specifically called upon in irc, I'm afk from irc |
| 23:32.30 | Bounty | sup |
| 23:33.21 | Blizz-Deletarius | can;'t just sit in here all day, gotta work :) |
| 23:33.36 | Bounty | but.. you do sit in here all day |
| 23:33.55 | Bounty | maybe not you physically but your name does |
| 23:36.23 | Bounty | Anyone ever heard of a temp agency called Randstad? |
| 23:36.35 | TheSkunk__ | nope |
| 23:36.51 | ckSynergy | damn mapping is exhausting |
| 23:37.27 | Bounty | Went there today, came home and googled peoples reviews and they're all negative |
| 23:37.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:37.44 | TheSkunk__ | yea.. why do you ask? |
| 23:37.58 | Bounty | Just curious if anyone has ever worked with them |
| 23:39.30 | Bounty | I've never even worked with a temp agency before though |
| 23:39.34 | Bounty | People tell me its the way to go |
| 23:39.36 | Ahli | "make camera look at target and follow" has no "no unit" preset available |
| 23:40.26 | Ahli | Blizz-Deletarius: specifically called |
| 23:41.32 | Bounty | Also |
| 23:41.36 | Bounty | whats a good way to make a forum? |
| 23:41.38 | Bounty | like, a good site to use? |
| 23:44.21 | A1win | I doubt there are any super good free forums + hosting |
| 23:44.34 | A1win | or at least I haven't found any |
| 23:44.47 | A1win | just borrowing some friend's server and hosting there ;p |
| 23:44.56 | A1win | but even free forum software aren't that good |
| 23:45.32 | Bounty | Whats the diff though? |
| 23:45.36 | Bounty | Isnt a forum just a forum? lol |
| 23:45.42 | A1win | phpbb at least used to be full of security holes |
| 23:46.09 | A1win | well, some are made using php, and php is very hacky thing overall |
| 23:46.18 | A1win | dunno |
| 23:46.19 | A1win | ;p |
| 23:46.43 | A1win | if you compare for example Invision Power Board to any free forum, you'll soon notice what the difference is |
| 23:46.48 | Bounty | www.forummotion.com |
| 23:46.51 | Ahli | I don't know what I'm doing, but I made the camera as I want it instead of resetting it to default... o0 |
| 23:46.57 | Bounty | www.forumotion.com |
| 23:47.03 | Bounty | ^ |
| 23:47.12 | Bounty | it has Invision |
| 23:48.14 | A1win | any restrictions like max users or such? |
| 23:49.06 | Bounty | not that i can see |
| 23:49.41 | A1win | mm could be nice, I haven't really been checking that much recently |
| 23:50.00 | A1win | but out of all forum software I've used, IPB just seems to be the best in every way |
| 23:50.49 | A1win | I mean of all forums I've used, I haven't actually managed a forum using IPB |
| 23:59.33 | Saeris | IPB is pretty good yea, kinda like vBulletin as well |
