| 00:01.32 | *** join/#sc2mapster Taintedwisp (4bb541ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.181.65.238) |
| 00:06.52 | Taintedwisp | is niarch your real username/ |
| 00:06.53 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 00:07.09 | niarch | Taintedwisp, I don't have one |
| 00:07.16 | Taintedwisp | Ahh |
| 00:07.16 | niarch | I just change it all the time |
| 00:07.25 | Taintedwisp | < One of mine haha, I have multiple |
| 00:07.28 | niarch | I'm have Kuollutrunkkau5 on sc2mapster I believe |
| 00:07.35 | Taintedwisp | RageofHell, Taintedwisp, IShadowWolf, etc |
| 00:07.37 | niarch | I just make one up whenever I regiter |
| 00:07.43 | Taintedwisp | ah |
| 00:07.56 | Taintedwisp | Well long as your realize one thing... |
| 00:08.07 | KingPopsickle | This is and always will be mine... |
| 00:08.08 | KingPopsickle | hahah |
| 00:08.27 | DeadZergling | Is popsicle spelled that way? |
| 00:09.00 | DeadZergling | Didn't think so. |
| 00:09.03 | KingPopsickle | haha |
| 00:09.12 | KingPopsicle | sorry |
| 00:09.13 | KingPopsicle | lol |
| 00:09.22 | DeadZergling | It is okay though King, you are put in power to lead, not to read. |
| 00:09.32 | KingPopsicle | haha |
| 00:09.34 | KingPopsicle | Damn right |
| 00:09.47 | KingPopsicle | I cant spend all my time reading what I say... I gotta spend all my time Talkin |
| 00:09.48 | KingPopsicle | lol |
| 00:09.58 | DeadZergling | how goes your map anyways? |
| 00:10.26 | KingPopsicle | I'm at a dead end... tbh.... I know what I want the abilities to do, but i dont know how to make them lol |
| 00:10.40 | KingPopsicle | and there are over 20 of them that need to be made |
| 00:10.48 | DeadZergling | what are you trying to do? |
| 00:10.56 | KingPopsicle | Make 6 more heroes |
| 00:10.57 | KingPopsicle | lol |
| 00:11.14 | KingPopsicle | 3 are pretty much completed |
| 00:11.18 | DeadZergling | can you be a little more specific? |
| 00:11.25 | DeadZergling | what abilities can't be done? |
| 00:11.36 | KingPopsicle | https://www.dropbox.com/s/furahp2i3ytmgkc/Heroes.txt |
| 00:11.42 | KingPopsicle | I'm sure they can be done |
| 00:11.50 | KingPopsicle | I just dont know how to do them haah |
| 00:14.36 | KingPopsicle | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fla-Vor-Ice By popsicles i mean those |
| 00:14.37 | KingPopsicle | lol |
| 00:14.45 | DeadZergling | yea, looking at them, none of them sound undoable |
| 00:14.56 | KingPopsicle | I mean I can do all the actors and all that |
| 00:15.22 | DeadZergling | you are king otter pop? |
| 00:16.02 | KingPopsicle | No |
| 00:16.09 | KingPopsicle | But I am king Ding a ling |
| 00:16.19 | DeadZergling | flavor ice looks like a rip off of otter pop, lol |
| 00:17.03 | KingPopsicle | http://farm1.static.flickr.com/3/3265362_81a607b0b5.jpg |
| 00:17.29 | KingPopsicle | well I get the rip offs of the Rip offs sold by food lion haha |
| 00:17.47 | DeadZergling | tassadar sounds way too OP |
| 00:17.49 | DeadZergling | by the way |
| 00:18.10 | KingPopsicle | hahaha |
| 00:18.18 | KingPopsicle | Well I can balance any hero |
| 00:18.23 | KingPopsicle | thats not a problem |
| 00:18.27 | Ahli | give it 10 hp |
| 00:18.31 | KingPopsicle | haha |
| 00:19.01 | KingPopsicle | Not too bad of ideas though aye? |
| 00:19.07 | KingPopsicle | lol... |
| 00:19.10 | KingPopsicle | king popsicle |
| 00:19.28 | DeadZergling | Dunno, depends what you going for. |
| 00:19.52 | KingPopsicle | These are heroes every player will have 1 hero |
| 00:20.08 | KingPopsicle | lol, They are not the main focus of the game, but can deff give the player an edge |
| 00:20.16 | KingPopsicle | they auto revive and such too |
| 00:20.32 | DeadZergling | players get 1 hero, but they aren't the main focus.... |
| 00:20.39 | DeadZergling | Hrrrrmmm, why even have heroes then. |
| 00:21.05 | KingPopsicle | Because the heroes can really help out, They are a major aspect, but evolving your units is too |
| 00:21.24 | DeadZergling | yea, never know when you'll need it to rain cows |
| 00:21.31 | KingPopsicle | Evolving the units is like 51% and Heroes are 49% :P |
| 00:21.42 | KingPopsicle | hahaha |
| 00:21.51 | KingPopsicle | Its a mass unit game, so there wont be ANY single target abilities |
| 00:21.57 | DeadZergling | or when you'll need to spray everyone with a golden shower |
| 00:22.09 | KingPopsicle | The heroes are mainly to weaken the other team to give your units the edge make sense? |
| 00:22.17 | KingPopsicle | its green now |
| 00:22.18 | KingPopsicle | hah |
| 00:22.25 | DeadZergling | looked yellow in the video, lol |
| 00:22.57 | KingPopsicle | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gC16lIUzHJE#t=28s |
| 00:23.00 | KingPopsicle | Its greener in the map |
| 00:23.15 | DeadZergling | It makes sense, just makes heroes seem a little silly |
| 00:23.35 | KingPopsicle | hahaha |
| 00:23.49 | KingPopsicle | Well The map is supposed to be a it relaxing while competitive |
| 00:23.57 | KingPopsicle | I dont want a map that pisses you off i want it fun to play |
| 00:24.16 | DeadZergling | understandable, but don't count on your users not to get pissed off |
| 00:24.19 | KingPopsicle | Like Killzone 3 I want it so you can be getting your ass kicked and still have fun |
| 00:24.26 | KingPopsicle | oh i know |
| 00:24.28 | KingPopsicle | haha |
| 00:24.31 | DeadZergling | seen guys watch football? |
| 00:24.37 | DeadZergling | no effort on their part whatsoever |
| 00:24.43 | DeadZergling | they still get excited/pissed off all day |
| 00:24.48 | KingPopsicle | Whos part? |
| 00:24.54 | KingPopsicle | ohh |
| 00:24.55 | KingPopsicle | lol] |
| 00:25.05 | KingPopsicle | thats because football is NOT FUN!!! |
| 00:25.06 | KingPopsicle | lol |
| 00:25.20 | KingPopsicle | its a bunch of guys handling balls... Nothing fun about that... |
| 00:25.43 | DeadZergling | could be worse, could be lemonparty |
| 00:25.54 | KingPopsicle | It would be okay if there wasnt 1 million replays inbetween plays |
| 00:26.14 | KingPopsicle | I dont give a fuck what happend last play I already saw that/... |
| 00:26.27 | KingPopsicle | Thats like Nascar... Who the fuck cares... haha |
| 00:26.38 | KingPopsicle | Sweet hes going to run a circle for 500 laps |
| 00:27.15 | KingPopsicle | I cant stand sports.. i love E-Sports though, they Interview, they have the match, little to no replays... and we are good.. |
| 00:28.20 | KingPopsicle | rants over |
| 00:28.21 | KingPopsicle | ll |
| 00:28.38 | KingPopsicle | Sooo dead zergling... go do my abilities for me :P |
| 00:28.42 | DeadZergling | still don't see why you hitting a wall |
| 00:28.45 | KingPopsicle | and make my loading screen, and the Mercenaries. |
| 00:28.50 | DeadZergling | none of it is undoable |
| 00:28.55 | KingPopsicle | Because I understand abilities much haha |
| 00:29.13 | KingPopsicle | theres a few that I could do |
| 00:29.14 | DeadZergling | ?? |
| 00:29.42 | KingPopsicle | I ment theres little that I do understand |
| 00:29.43 | KingPopsicle | lol |
| 00:29.52 | DeadZergling | Anyways, got enough crap w/ my own project to try to get done |
| 00:29.57 | DeadZergling | Little time to do much else |
| 00:30.01 | KingPopsicle | and its not the abilities themselves its always the same part... Search Area... confuses the fucking shit outta me |
| 00:30.08 | KingPopsicle | :P |
| 00:30.12 | DeadZergling | what is confusing about search area, lol |
| 00:30.34 | KingPopsicle | Everything... I JUST WANT THE ABILITY TO GO IN A STRAIT LINE, or I JUST WANT IT IN A FUCKING CIRCLE!!! |
| 00:30.34 | KingPopsicle | lol |
| 00:30.48 | KingPopsicle | or I just want to click somewhere... |
| 00:30.56 | DeadZergling | then you just using create persistents + search areas. |
| 00:31.34 | KingPopsicle | I mean the map will get done, but for now I think im burnt out on Heroes, haha, tomorrow I will do some Mercenaries. |
| 00:31.47 | DeadZergling | then to prevent overlap being a problem, you use markers and validators |
| 00:32.09 | DeadZergling | have to show you some of my persistent + search area abilities sometime |
| 00:32.39 | KingPopsicle | you see? thats too much work for something that could be sooo much more simplistic, I mean Im glad we CAN do it that way... but we shouldnt have to, there should be an easier way |
| 00:33.22 | DeadZergling | may just want to sit down w/ a piece of graphing paper sometime, think it out visually |
| 00:33.26 | DeadZergling | if that is giving you so many issues |
| 00:33.30 | KingPopsicle | There should be a basic editor, and an advanced editor, in the basic you select line, or Circle then you select Diameter in units, |
| 00:33.48 | KingPopsicle | perhaps |
| 00:33.51 | DeadZergling | I mean by circle, do you mean a filled circle, or donut? |
| 00:34.12 | KingPopsicle | But that search area just gets me every time, I understand the rest moderatly, well Validatiors I havent done much with. |
| 00:34.19 | DeadZergling | should it hit the whole circle, or just the outer area? |
| 00:34.25 | KingPopsicle | Filled, All units in a circle |
| 00:34.45 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 00:34.55 | KingPopsicle | Like I said this would be a basic editor, that would Auto Fill |
| 00:35.01 | DeadZergling | that is just a single search area |
| 00:35.03 | DeadZergling | set your radius, search filters, effect you want used, bam, done |
| 00:35.09 | KingPopsicle | it would auto fill values |
| 00:35.33 | KingPopsicle | well I know how to make a circle. lol, but that was just an example |
| 00:36.14 | DeadZergling | aye, you just need to be willing to sit down and play with stuff really |
| 00:36.31 | DeadZergling | is really no limit to what you can do combining persistents and search areas |
| 00:36.36 | KingPopsicle | I wish there was just a wizard for abilities in general. of course it couldnt do everything but it could save a lot of time for the simpler abilities |
| 00:37.11 | KingPopsicle | Blizz-Deletarius you there? |
| 00:37.23 | DeadZergling | I understand what you are saying |
| 00:37.33 | DeadZergling | but you just need to get into it and practice more |
| 00:37.37 | DeadZergling | some of it isn't nearly as bad as you think it is, really |
| 00:37.47 | KingPopsicle | Something mappers could use, honestly would be if blizzard would work on " Ease of Use" meaning making things have a simpler modes. So its not a huge step down |
| 00:37.55 | KingPopsicle | Yeah |
| 00:37.57 | DeadZergling | to be honest, I have a worse time with actors then I do w/ effects |
| 00:37.57 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 00:38.40 | KingPopsicle | Like I said It took me a while for those other abilities and I am burnt out for now, I will rest from abilities for a bit and work on mercenaries. |
| 00:39.22 | KingPopsicle | I love actors, I dont do much with Site ops, but I can make abilities look good no problem, plus thats fun as hell i love that part |
| 00:39.56 | KingPopsicle | Look at Zhakul, if I didnt like them, would he look like that? |
| 00:39.56 | KingPopsicle | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gC16lIUzHJE |
| 00:40.48 | DeadZergling | thank you very much nemo |
| 00:40.57 | KingPopsicle | nemo? |
| 00:41.43 | KingPopsicle | What is it with these white men, tanning themselves black... they look stupid... lol |
| 00:42.01 | KingPopsicle | http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/tanning-fail-bodybuilder-doesn-t-quite-cover-everything-193119057--oly.html |
| 00:42.02 | KingPopsicle | \lol |
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| 00:43.35 | DeadZergling3 | Mapster decided to flake out on me |
| 00:44.12 | KingPopsicle | so wahyt about nemo? |
| 00:44.18 | KingPopsicle | [20:41] <KingPopsicle> What is it with these white men, tanning themselves black... they look stupid... lol [20:41] <KingPopsicle> http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/tanning-fail-bodybuilder-doesn-t-quite-cover-everything-193119057--oly.html |
| 00:44.30 | DeadZergling3 | oh, was blaming it for goofing my google up |
| 00:44.41 | DeadZergling3 | guessing just my connection flaked out in general though |
| 00:44.50 | KingPopsicle | ahhh haah |
| 00:45.08 | KingPopsicle | sooo are you gunna serve the hive? |
| 00:45.12 | DeadZergling3 | that guy looks disgusting |
| 00:45.22 | KingPopsicle | brb |
| 00:47.50 | DeadZergling | Odd to hear you so burnt on abilities, especially since working on abilities is primarily what I been doing lately. |
| 01:07.20 | KingPopsicle | back |
| 01:07.21 | KingPopsicle | lol |
| 01:07.47 | KingPopsicle | yeah, I'm only burnt out because I dont enjoy doing them in the least |
| 01:08.04 | DeadZergling | I don't see why, they are what the players get to use the most. |
| 01:08.21 | DeadZergling | At least you only gotta worry about 4 per hero, lol. |
| 01:08.31 | DeadZergling | I'm looking at about 12-19 each hero |
| 01:09.32 | KingPopsicle | why so many? battle.net players are lazy as fuck, :P they wont do all thos |
| 01:09.50 | DeadZergling | they aren't supposed to |
| 01:09.59 | DeadZergling | idea is to let them choose how they want to play their char. |
| 01:11.21 | DeadZergling | like Imp has 6 fire abilities, 6 ice abilities, 7 lightning abilities. |
| 01:11.43 | DeadZergling | Bob has 6 life altering abilities, 6-7 Damage over time abilities, 6 summoning abilities. |
| 01:11.47 | Taintedwisp | Oh i get it, similar to Custom Hero Wars? |
| 01:12.01 | DeadZergling | They could have all 19 simultaneously. |
| 01:12.08 | Taintedwisp | They build their hero based on what they like |
| 01:12.14 | Taintedwisp | oh nvm haha |
| 01:12.15 | DeadZergling | But it works better to have really strong versions of your favorites |
| 01:13.04 | DeadZergling | Jack is going to have healing, buff, offense/utility spells (he is the healer/support class) |
| 01:13.27 | Taintedwisp | But what about bill? |
| 01:13.31 | Taintedwisp | And ted |
| 01:13.37 | DeadZergling | there is no bill or ted, lol |
| 01:13.41 | DeadZergling | Is a Bob though. |
| 01:13.49 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 01:13.55 | DeadZergling | from accounting, lol. |
| 01:14.06 | Taintedwisp | So your trying to tell me no bill no ted... and no bogus adventure? |
| 01:14.09 | DeadZergling | anyways, I don't think you give bnet players enough credit. |
| 01:14.10 | Taintedwisp | Well screw you sir |
| 01:14.11 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:14.12 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 01:14.29 | DeadZergling | anyone who joins a game that has the acronym 'RPG' on it. |
| 01:14.31 | Taintedwisp | No Zergling I give them too much credit... they couldnt figure out what to do in mini chop farms... |
| 01:14.35 | Taintedwisp | WITH instructions |
| 01:14.44 | DeadZergling | is planning on spending a lot of time in that game. |
| 01:15.03 | Taintedwisp | llollolllool |
| 01:15.51 | DeadZergling | granted, I have a lot of work to do to make the game more user friendly, lol |
| 01:15.59 | DeadZergling | least of my worries right now though |
| 01:16.34 | DeadZergling | Anyways, my only strategy is to make it a game I'd be willing to play. |
| 01:16.49 | DeadZergling | Out of kindness I will allow others to play it too. |
| 01:16.54 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 01:16.54 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 01:17.03 | Taintedwisp | I just wanna make something fun |
| 01:17.44 | Taintedwisp | I mean my map can almost be tested |
| 01:17.58 | Taintedwisp | But the heroes are incomplete, and so are the mercenaries |
| 01:18.13 | DeadZergling | sure, any map can be tested. |
| 01:18.18 | DeadZergling | it just depends how you think about it |
| 01:18.35 | DeadZergling | I been doing some alpha testing every 2 weeks lately, might be 3 weeks till next alpha testing this time though. |
| 01:18.45 | Taintedwisp | haha I mean it doesnt have too far to go, the majority of whats left is heroes |
| 01:18.53 | DeadZergling | Trying to put enough in to be able to get enough valuable feedback on |
| 01:19.01 | DeadZergling | to make it better each time |
| 01:19.02 | Taintedwisp | Then mercenaries(all very simple) then upgrades, and then finally balance |
| 01:19.23 | DeadZergling | balance will be a fun one, lol |
| 01:19.55 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 01:20.15 | Taintedwisp | yeah 9 heroes, 16 Mercs, Upgrades, and 30 Units hahah |
| 01:20.50 | Taintedwisp | I was thinking about a dynamic Balance system. Once its balanced something that throws off the balance, and changes small aspects every game |
| 01:20.51 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:21.19 | DeadZergling | fun idea, but could easily turn a lot of players off to the idea of your game |
| 01:21.49 | DeadZergling | I wouldn't be too thrilled with, Surprise, player 1 only gets 20 % health! |
| 01:22.12 | DeadZergling | an exaggerated example to be sure |
| 01:22.20 | DeadZergling | but you get the idea |
| 01:32.59 | DeadZergling | sigh, why did I have to come up with the custom death messages idea, taking forever, lol. |
| 01:35.25 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:36.22 | DeadZergling | adds more depth/content for sure, but gets a little blah to come up with so many messages. |
| 01:40.49 | DeadZergling | The self kill ones are pretty fun at least. |
| 01:42.05 | DeadZergling | IE, return (StringToText("Wow, ") + gv_playerName[lp_p] + StringToText(" just drained himself to death! Must have learned his necrotic arts at a community college.")); |
| 02:13.39 | Saeris1 | can't say i'm sold on having a ton of abilities per hero deadzergling |
| 02:13.46 | Saeris1 | that's gonna be very hard to learn |
| 02:13.53 | Saeris1 | and extremely hard to balance |
| 02:14.43 | Saeris1 | dunno what you're going for overall, but that seems be overkill |
| 02:14.58 | Saeris1 | just to try to provide a lot of customizaton |
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| 03:24.44 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgvsp6ph5V4&feature=channel&list=UL |
| 03:51.09 | ckSynergy | Hey Ahli |
| 03:54.01 | ckSynergy | I hate to be a broken record, but does anyone have a working sample map/mod I can look at? Trying to figure out why I cant run a map via a mod test |
| 03:57.57 | Ahli | I don't know. I'm using mods only as a storage for imported files :( |
| 04:01.56 | ckSynergy | oh wth now my level behavior isnt sticking |
| 04:11.04 | ckSynergy | I swear. one of those days |
| 04:19.52 | Vindicator | ya, when u mentioned testing a map via a mod a day or two ago i hadn't ever done that before i don't think |
| 04:20.01 | Vindicator | i knew it was possible, but never have even though i use mods |
| 04:20.13 | Vindicator | like ahli said, it's just storage for imported files for me too |
| 04:22.17 | ckSynergy | yea |
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| 05:00.56 | Ahli | I' awake for 20 hours now... in theory I should be very tired... meh |
| 05:01.01 | Ahli | *I'm |
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| 05:23.45 | DeadZergling | bummer, really isn't a way around the mouse moved event |
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| 07:13.10 | Vindicator | Qancakes - you aren't in here going by a different name are you? |
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| 08:24.23 | Dogmai | whos here |
| 08:25.11 | Vindicator | *wave* |
| 08:31.29 | Dogmai | But I don't know who you are Vindicator |
| 08:31.33 | Dogmai | Do you know me? |
| 08:33.43 | Vindicator | name looks familiar |
| 08:35.43 | Vindicator | u work on Tofu ;) |
| 08:43.23 | Dogmai | good enough |
| 08:43.25 | Dogmai | im in love |
| 08:43.27 | Dogmai | <3 |
| 08:43.30 | Dogmai | Vindicator: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=JHzSd26gB-c |
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| 08:50.32 | Vindicator | cute..ish lol |
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| 10:24.19 | Zolden | anyone's here this early hour? |
| 10:31.26 | Vindicator | ya |
| 10:32.17 | hjfabre | I'm here because it's 7:33 P.M. in my country:) |
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| 10:41.57 | Zolden | alright |
| 10:42.03 | Zolden | I just wanted to ask a thing |
| 10:42.22 | Zolden | Once I renamed my map, and it replaced the old named one |
| 10:42.47 | Zolden | Once again I renamed another map, and it appeared as a new map (the old one left unupdated) |
| 10:42.57 | Zolden | where is the difference? |
| 10:43.11 | Zolden | I mean replaced on bnet |
| 10:43.40 | hjfabre | I guess only the name changed, but I'm not sure... T_T |
| 10:44.22 | hjfabre | Maybe you could try going in-game |
| 10:44.36 | hjfabre | And test if it had changed anything. |
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| 10:45.01 | Zolden | I removed the old named game, and new named survived |
| 10:46.21 | Zolden | ok, noe I got to install a new memory stick, hope it will make the editor work faster |
| 10:48.05 | hjfabre | Bye~^.^ |
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| 10:51.58 | DeadZergling | Hey Kueken, you there? |
| 10:52.09 | Kueken | hey |
| 10:52.24 | Kueken | no, I'm sleeptyping |
| 10:52.28 | DeadZergling | getting a really weird, super NON descriptive error, lol |
| 10:52.34 | Kueken | :p |
| 10:52.40 | DeadZergling | USER: 2 too many operands for the requirement 'GT'. |
| 10:52.48 | DeadZergling | I been staring at all my requirements/validators |
| 10:52.52 | DeadZergling | but all seems in order |
| 10:53.02 | Kueken | you have a requirement named GT? |
| 10:53.22 | DeadZergling | not that I know of |
| 10:53.32 | Kueken | hm |
| 10:53.37 | DeadZergling | ill double check |
| 10:54.03 | Kueken | if you want me to check the map, upload it somewhere |
| 10:54.31 | DeadZergling | nope, no requirements named GT |
| 10:55.32 | DeadZergling | guess ill just send it via PM |
| 10:59.14 | ducky_ | kueken, any idea why your texture testmap is now unopenable? |
| 10:59.25 | Kueken | editor crashes? |
| 10:59.48 | Kueken | or gives an error message? |
| 11:00.03 | ducky_ | gives error message |
| 11:00.22 | Kueken | thats probably because the texture testmap was created years ago and uses script injection |
| 11:00.36 | Kueken | they changed the mpq format of maps inbetween |
| 11:00.55 | Kueken | and injecting stuff with an mpq editor in older maps causes them to be unopenable |
| 11:01.03 | ducky_ | "unable to open archive(an unexpected fatal error has occured)" :/ |
| 11:01.04 | Kueken | newer maps don't have that problem, it seems |
| 11:01.19 | ducky_ | that makes me sad |
| 11:01.22 | Kueken | I can upload a fixed version |
| 11:01.32 | ducky_ | please do so =D |
| 11:01.44 | Kueken | at least I am pretty sure I can :D |
| 11:04.06 | Dogmai | where is bounty when i need him |
| 11:05.37 | Kueken | alright ducky_, map opens for me |
| 11:06.18 | ducky_ | the one that you're about to upload? great |
| 11:07.11 | Kueken | I'll have to have a quick look over it, I changed some stuff for testing specific things, also there are some new script errors |
| 11:12.29 | ducky_ | hm |
| 11:13.41 | ducky_ | could you guide me quicly on how to remove archons glow? my attempts to change its textures resulted in in-game errors and editor crashing when I launch testmode |
| 11:14.18 | hjfabre | Does MPQ Editor-edited crash maps when being published online? |
| 11:15.12 | Dogmai | no |
| 11:15.20 | Dogmai | i edit stuff all the time with an mpq editor |
| 11:15.23 | hjfabre | Hmm... Ok |
| 11:15.27 | Dogmai | as long as you know what you're doing |
| 11:15.33 | Dogmai | and dont delete any essential files |
| 11:15.35 | Dogmai | its fine |
| 11:15.47 | Dogmai | why, you wanna hide some naughty naughty photos in there? |
| 11:15.51 | Dogmai | i miss those games from wc3 -_- |
| 11:16.19 | hjfabre | Kk ok^.^ |
| 11:16.36 | hjfabre | Kk means laughing, right? |
| 11:16.52 | Dogmai | no |
| 11:16.55 | Dogmai | kk means ok |
| 11:16.58 | Dogmai | where are you from |
| 11:17.06 | hjfabre | South Korea |
| 11:17.08 | Dogmai | korea uses kekeke |
| 11:17.14 | Dogmai | yea |
| 11:17.14 | Dogmai | thought so |
| 11:17.14 | Dogmai | :) |
| 11:17.20 | Dogmai | welcome :P |
| 11:17.25 | hjfabre | Thank you T_T |
| 11:17.32 | Dogmai | I want to go to south korea |
| 11:17.41 | Dogmai | I have met so many people from seoul |
| 11:17.46 | hjfabre | Ah really? |
| 11:17.59 | Dogmai | yep |
| 11:18.04 | Dogmai | we have a lot of koreans in my city |
| 11:18.06 | Dogmai | they are fun |
| 11:18.12 | Dogmai | cause chinese tend to stick to chinese |
| 11:18.21 | Dogmai | and japanese are rare and few inbetween |
| 11:18.26 | Dogmai | but koreans are the ones most likely to talk to you |
| 11:18.35 | Dogmai | like they get on most with us |
| 11:18.48 | hjfabre | Ah... Ok and thank you^.^ |
| 11:19.01 | Kueken | ducky_: Make a new declaration+ adasption for each of the Archon textures you want to swap |
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| 11:19.12 | Dogmai | I posted this earlier, I have been listening to this all day |
| 11:19.14 | Dogmai | http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=JHzSd26gB-c |
| 11:19.16 | Dogmai | its korean |
| 11:19.31 | hjfabre | Ah? Ok I'll check it out |
| 11:19.34 | Kueken | also, if you already added some, reset to default and redo all of them |
| 11:19.36 | ducky_ | I got no clue which one is that blue glow.. is it emissive? |
| 11:19.44 | ducky_ | aha.. |
| 11:20.00 | Kueken | they mess up each other pretty fast |
| 11:20.16 | ducky_ | that.. might explain all the crashing |
| 11:20.38 | Dogmai | my girlfriend is chinese so we watch many korean dramas |
| 11:20.46 | hjfabre | Wow really? |
| 11:20.48 | Dogmai | yea |
| 11:20.54 | hjfabre | With subtitles? |
| 11:20.55 | Dogmai | its amazing |
| 11:20.57 | Dogmai | yea |
| 11:21.02 | Dogmai | koreans make hollywood look stupid |
| 11:21.07 | Dogmai | the way they write |
| 11:21.10 | Dogmai | is so good |
| 11:21.15 | Dogmai | happy and sad at the same time |
| 11:21.17 | Kueken | the main one for the blue glow should be called PhotonEnergyAnimSomething |
| 11:21.20 | hjfabre | Ahh... Thank you T_T |
| 11:21.23 | Dogmai | you never see that in english |
| 11:21.53 | hjfabre | But my country isn't good at making compiter graphics |
| 11:21.57 | hjfabre | T_T |
| 11:22.08 | Dogmai | but it is very good at surgery |
| 11:22.13 | Dogmai | so beautiful girls everywhere |
| 11:22.16 | halides | :-D |
| 11:22.19 | Dogmai | i would rather beautiful girls than compuer graphics |
| 11:22.29 | Dogmai | computer* |
| 11:22.44 | hjfabre | Ah ok :D |
| 11:23.19 | Dogmai | the blonde girl ... in the ktv |
| 11:23.22 | Dogmai | looks like a friend of mine |
| 11:23.40 | hjfabre | Wow:D |
| 11:24.18 | hjfabre | But |
| 11:24.36 | hjfabre | I'm going to be leaving Korea next year...T.T |
| 11:24.41 | Dogmai | lol |
| 11:24.43 | Dogmai | where are you going |
| 11:24.59 | hjfabre | China |
| 11:25.04 | Dogmai | o_O |
| 11:25.09 | Dogmai | are you from china? |
| 11:25.15 | Dogmai | or studying? |
| 11:25.16 | hjfabre | No |
| 11:25.22 | hjfabre | Studying |
| 11:25.33 | hjfabre | Oh and |
| 11:25.34 | Dogmai | ni zhi dao wo bu xi huan gwai lo ... |
| 11:25.46 | Dogmai | wo shi gwai lo T_T |
| 11:26.01 | hjfabre | Is that Chinese Pinyins? |
| 11:26.04 | Dogmai | yea |
| 11:26.17 | hjfabre | I really have learn them soon :) |
| 11:26.27 | Dogmai | Well I hope you do better than me |
| 11:26.33 | Dogmai | I have been listening to Chinese for 7 years |
| 11:26.36 | hjfabre | T T Thanks |
| 11:26.37 | Dogmai | And I am still so bad |
| 11:27.01 | Dogmai | Which city in china are you going to? |
| 11:27.10 | hjfabre | Beijing |
| 11:27.20 | Dogmai | So close |
| 11:27.28 | hjfabre | !? |
| 11:27.32 | Dogmai | To korea |
| 11:27.40 | hjfabre | Ah ok:D |
| 11:27.42 | Dogmai | I was thinking maybe you were going south |
| 11:27.46 | Dogmai | But then it would be too hot for you |
| 11:27.58 | ducky_ | kueken, I've found that and now I'm even more confused. What prefix do I use for that? It's just "PhotonEnergyAnim1". Is that exactly what will be in prefix? |
| 11:28.15 | Dogmai | What are you making anyways? |
| 11:28.25 | Kueken | I usually use the entire file name as both prefix and substring |
| 11:28.51 | Kueken | unless it actually makes sense to use a real prefix with different substrings |
| 11:29.39 | ducky_ | and slot can be any of predefined ones? I'm okay with using "main"? |
| 11:30.05 | Kueken | I usually specify the sub-slot as well |
| 11:30.09 | Kueken | so main.diffuse |
| 11:30.13 | Kueken | or something like that |
| 11:31.07 | Dogmai | hjfabre: what are you making? |
| 11:31.21 | hjfabre | Me? I make maps too:) |
| 11:31.28 | Dogmai | what type |
| 11:31.35 | hjfabre | But it's only in the KoKR server |
| 11:31.43 | hjfabre | The type is RPG |
| 11:31.54 | Dogmai | Do you have a screenshot? |
| 11:32.14 | hjfabre | Umm... |
| 11:32.38 | hjfabre | Http://blog.naver.com/hjfabre |
| 11:32.45 | hjfabre | Thats my blog |
| 11:32.52 | hjfabre | And maybe I have a few |
| 11:32.58 | hjfabre | Uploaded screenshots |
| 11:33.29 | hjfabre | And http://cafe.naver.com/scsurvival |
| 11:33.38 | hjfabre | This is my website |
| 11:33.58 | hjfabre | And there's going to be a little more screenshots:) |
| 11:34.16 | Dogmai | you need custom UI :P |
| 11:34.40 | hjfabre | I don't know how to make them yet T.T |
| 11:34.49 | Dogmai | it is easy |
| 11:34.59 | Dogmai | can you get on the NA server? |
| 11:35.07 | Dogmai | or just KO? |
| 11:35.16 | hjfabre | Umm... Only Ko T.T |
| 11:35.23 | Dogmai | I need to get a KO cd key -_- |
| 11:35.28 | hjfabre | I'm sorry T.T |
| 11:35.31 | hjfabre | Or maybe |
| 11:35.40 | hjfabre | I could go to NA server |
| 11:35.47 | hjfabre | By using the demo |
| 11:35.56 | hjfabre | Is that possible? |
| 11:36.00 | Dogmai | No, my map won't be available on the demo |
| 11:36.08 | Dogmai | It should be after I finish it, but not at the moment |
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| 11:36.14 | Dogmai | www.dogmai.org/tofu.jpg |
| 11:36.19 | Dogmai | take a look at that |
| 11:36.45 | hjfabre | Wow |
| 11:36.57 | hjfabre | It's amazing |
| 11:37.16 | hjfabre | I wish I could do that too |
| 11:37.18 | hjfabre | But... |
| 11:37.31 | hjfabre | I don't have the skills yet T.T |
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| 11:37.41 | Dogmai | It is easy to do, there are just no tutorials for it |
| 11:37.45 | Dogmai | do you have skype? |
| 11:38.00 | hjfabre | Ah! I think I can make one:) |
| 11:38.06 | Snap_ | hi guys |
| 11:38.08 | hjfabre | The skype ID |
| 11:38.25 | Snap_ | i have some noobie questions maybe you can help me with? |
| 11:38.25 | hjfabre | (Hi^.^) |
| 11:39.51 | hjfabre | You're in SC2Mapster so most of the people here will be able to help:) |
| 11:39.54 | Snap_ | in the editor im trying to place some doodads up again a cliff to jazz it up, but the ground texture is getting stretched up the cliff and making percise placement really hard |
| 11:40.14 | Snap_ | is there a view option im missing or something to turn that off? |
| 11:40.18 | Dogmai | my skype is dogmai.org |
| 11:40.30 | hjfabre | Ah ok~! |
| 11:40.53 | hjfabre | I will create my ID now^.^ |
| 11:41.24 | hjfabre | Ah and Snap, have you tried pressing the V key? |
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| 11:41.50 | Dogmai | its a view option |
| 11:41.52 | Dogmai | i forget which |
| 11:42.13 | Dogmai | show terrain> |
| 11:42.26 | Dogmai | show hidden terran cells |
| 11:42.28 | Dogmai | should be off |
| 11:43.12 | Stewox | hey guys |
| 11:43.31 | Stewox | i have this map here I wanted to adjust teams so it's 1p vs10 Ais |
| 11:43.43 | Snap_ | cool |
| 11:43.50 | Snap_ | v fixed it :P |
| 11:43.52 | Dogmai | map > player properties |
| 11:43.54 | Stewox | but the automated lobby team set is always making teams banalced |
| 11:43.57 | Snap_ | but that turns off the grid too |
| 11:44.16 | Dogmai | snap its control+T |
| 11:44.31 | Stewox | so when i select misc > other > 2 teams it always makes balanced slots |
| 11:44.39 | Stewox | and I cannot transfer slots to the other team |
| 11:44.40 | Dogmai | you gotta set the teams Stewox |
| 11:45.01 | Dogmai | map > game varients |
| 11:45.43 | Stewox | a here lol i was using player properties and starting locations i did them right |
| 11:45.51 | Dogmai | no |
| 11:45.55 | Stewox | well that's working, all other guy spawn away from my base |
| 11:45.58 | Dogmai | it has to be a variant |
| 11:46.38 | Snap_ | thanks dogmai :) |
| 11:47.22 | Stewox | thanks |
| 11:48.08 | Dogmai | snap_, take a look at all the view options and familiarise yourself with them |
| 11:48.18 | Dogmai | so if it happens again you should know roughly what happened |
| 11:48.33 | Dogmai | i should listen to my own advice, i dont even know all of them -_- |
| 11:49.12 | Snap_ | problem number 2: lighting. im trying to create a dark map and ive played around with the lighting settings and found some that i like, but there is a global light or something that is casting shadows from cliffs that is throwing out the dark feel |
| 11:49.19 | Stewox | Locked Teams means what exactly ? |
| 11:49.55 | Snap_ | how do i remove the shadow? i tried setting the game time to midnight with triggers but that didnt seem to work |
| 11:49.56 | Dogmai | players cant change the teams |
| 11:50.07 | Dogmai | you have to change the light |
| 11:50.09 | Dogmai | in data |
| 11:52.05 | Stewox | ok |
| 11:55.32 | Snap_ | i cant find any lights in data |
| 11:56.09 | Dogmai | Data > Art and Sound > Lights |
| 11:56.22 | Dogmai | !slap snap_ |
| 11:56.31 | Dogmai | ~slap snap_ |
| 11:56.31 | purl | ACTION slaps snap_, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 11:56.33 | Snap_ | derp ok i got it |
| 11:56.46 | Dogmai | if you want my attention you gotta say my name |
| 11:56.52 | Dogmai | so it buzzes my tray |
| 11:57.18 | Snap_ | ok dogmai |
| 12:03.18 | Snap_ | ok dogmai, in the data editor, im modifying the starting time of day right of the light? ive tried 2 different settings and the shadow is the same no matter the time of day :S |
| 12:05.22 | Stewox | where exactly is the player max units limit ? |
| 12:06.40 | ducky_ | kueken I see you've updated the map =D Eveytime I need to add a new declaration for model I'll need to redo all of the existing ones or they won't work? :/ |
| 12:06.56 | Kueken | not necessarily |
| 12:07.10 | Kueken | but it happens quite often that they don't work for some reason |
| 12:07.46 | Kueken | especially, if you try to insert a new adaption to an existing declaration, which is not at the bottom of the list |
| 12:08.03 | Kueken | adding new declarations to the bottom is no problem usually |
| 12:08.43 | ducky_ | ah okay |
| 12:09.12 | Snap_ | Dogmai? |
| 12:09.21 | ducky_ | so, can I call slots like "main.1", "main.2", "main.abc" and such? |
| 12:09.36 | Dogmai | you just gotta mess around with it mate |
| 12:09.41 | Dogmai | light is a funny thing |
| 12:09.48 | Dogmai | changing directions etc |
| 12:09.52 | ducky_ | Because it appears that it's more that one texture forming archons glow :D |
| 12:09.59 | Dogmai | make sure the light you are changing is the one that is used by your terrain |
| 12:11.20 | Kueken | nope, you can use main.diffuse, emissive, specular and normal |
| 12:11.32 | Kueken | and yes, there are multiple textures involved |
| 12:11.45 | Kueken | also keep in mind, you cannot swap all of them with black.dds |
| 12:11.57 | ducky_ | why so? |
| 12:12.15 | Kueken | because you cannot use the same texture for multiple slots |
| 12:12.31 | Kueken | and you cannot use the same slot multiple times on the same model |
| 12:13.18 | Kueken | so you need multiple black textures to swap |
| 12:13.36 | Kueken | or transparent, rather |
| 12:14.04 | ducky_ | so I need to import a few other transperant 16x16 dds? |
| 12:14.36 | Kueken | you can do that, yes |
| 12:14.52 | Kueken | you can also browse the existing ones, there might be other transparent ones |
| 12:15.08 | Kueken | also, they don't need to be 16x16 |
| 12:15.22 | Kueken | they can be 1x1, I think, it shouldn't matter |
| 12:16.03 | Kueken | if you want to use default compression, you might want to use at least 4x4, though ;) |
| 12:16.11 | Kueken | also |
| 12:16.14 | Kueken | another thing |
| 12:16.24 | Kueken | as of HotS beta |
| 12:16.43 | Kueken | the black.dds texture will be replaced from a fully transparent one to a pitch black one |
| 12:17.04 | Kueken | potentially messing up these kinds of texture swaps |
| 12:17.07 | ducky_ | oh |
| 12:17.45 | ducky_ | I just replaced black.dds with random black not transparent texture. A pretty silly display |
| 12:18.08 | ducky_ | Thanks for notifying me |
| 12:19.06 | Kueken | yeah, many seemingly black textures are partially black and transparent |
| 12:20.23 | ducky_ | about slots. Can I change all the needed textures in one declaration using main.emissive/normal/specular/diffusive even if all textures are just emissive, or do I need seperate declarations for each of them? |
| 12:20.43 | Kueken | one useable transparent texture would be vine_diffuse_braxisalpha.dds |
| 12:21.37 | Kueken | if you can find a matching prefix, you can do all textures in one declaration, regardless of their type and slot, yes |
| 12:21.50 | Kueken | however, there is only one prefix per declaration |
| 12:21.59 | Kueken | so that might probably not work |
| 12:22.41 | Kueken | pre-patch 1.5 when prefix was not needed, I used 1 declaration and tons of adaptions for every single texture all the time |
| 12:23.09 | Kueken | but now that we need to use a prefix, I use 1 declaration per texture and 1 adaption per declaration instead |
| 12:23.50 | ducky_ | ah, yes, that's right, how unfortunate. Do I use different slot for each declaration? |
| 12:24.03 | Kueken | at least different subslot |
| 12:24.32 | ducky_ | and there are only those 4 sublsots, right? |
| 12:24.34 | Kueken | you can use main.diffuse for first and main.emissive for second, but not main.diffuse twice |
| 12:24.44 | Kueken | at least I don't know more |
| 12:26.17 | ducky_ | and, just to confirm, I can use any slot names on any model for any texture, correct? (slot names from borgs tutorial) |
| 12:26.48 | Kueken | in theory, yes |
| 12:27.17 | Kueken | I did read reports about decals which only responded to the decal slot, though |
| 12:27.58 | ducky_ | Alright, tyvm, suddenly TextureSelectById isn't as scary as it used to be =) |
| 12:28.01 | Kueken | but decals are special anyway, you can swap them without a texture declaration at all |
| 12:39.06 | G0A | Kueken |
| 12:39.16 | Kueken | G0A |
| 12:39.17 | G0A | what do you mean by pitch: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/8926-data-working-with-attachments-beginner-difficulty/?page=4#posts |
| 12:39.29 | G0A | I am failing to fix that stupid error |
| 12:39.52 | Kueken | the Pich Query + field |
| 12:40.15 | Kueken | in the turret actor |
| 12:40.18 | G0A | in weapon action actor? |
| 12:41.35 | Stewox | hey |
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| 12:41.55 | Stewox | where are terrain line of sight blockers, the spaceplatform vent smoke |
| 12:42.04 | Kueken | youtube just asked me with some pressure to display my real name on my channel :/ |
| 12:42.16 | Kueken | Stewox: They are doodads |
| 12:42.32 | Stewox | didn't found em |
| 12:43.15 | Kueken | they are listed as Curtain(LOS Blocker) , I believe |
| 12:43.26 | Stewox | oh |
| 12:43.58 | Stewox | thanks |
| 12:45.17 | Snap_ | Dogmai i fixed it :) it was in window > lighting > key. i can position it at high noon and tweak the lighting a bit |
| 12:45.29 | Dogmai | yea |
| 12:45.35 | Dogmai | its been over 2 years since i did lighting |
| 12:45.39 | Dogmai | and i dont use the data editor |
| 12:45.49 | Dogmai | so i wouldnt have known unless i did what you did and just mess around with things |
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| 13:04.38 | Stewox | are doodads editable in data ? |
| 13:04.46 | Vindicator | yes |
| 13:05.07 | Vindicator | they are in the actors tab |
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| 13:05.51 | Stewox | aha, doesn't display a lot of stuff in default tree view |
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| 13:16.15 | ducky_ | kueken, you know if it's possible to remove distortion from archons? |
| 13:16.40 | Kueken | I haven't managed to completely remove it yet, but you can reduce it |
| 13:16.54 | Kueken | the amount of distortion is handled by textures as well |
| 13:17.09 | Kueken | namely BigWaves.dds and BigẂaves_Strength.dds |
| 13:17.13 | Kueken | or something like that |
| 13:17.21 | ducky_ | yeah, found them |
| 13:17.33 | Kueken | swapping them to a plain texture reduces the distortion |
| 13:17.36 | ducky_ | but replacing bigwaves with black isn't enough |
| 13:18.16 | ducky_ | BigẂaves_Strength can be swapped too? |
| 13:18.19 | Kueken | it still distorts a sphere around the archon, but in a static manner, it no longer waves |
| 13:18.21 | Kueken | yes |
| 13:18.38 | Kueken | also, black might not be ideal |
| 13:18.55 | Kueken | I don't know exactly, how normal maps work, but they simulate height |
| 13:19.10 | Kueken | so you want a normal map with 0 height, which is probably not black |
| 13:19.35 | ducky_ | I don't even know what normal map is :/ |
| 13:20.12 | ducky_ | hm, that static distortion looks even worse than defaul one, at least for my taste |
| 13:20.19 | Kueken | :) |
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| 13:37.10 | Stewox | does AI automatically attack destructible path blockers or i need to set some flags to make it happen, i'm walling Ai inside it's choke |
| 13:41.33 | Ahli | yay, 2 new Account notices |
| 13:41.39 | Ahli | from yahoo Blizzard |
| 13:45.25 | ducky_ | hm? |
| 13:45.44 | ducky_ | yahoo blizzard? |
| 13:45.57 | Dustin|Work | Scam^ |
| 13:49.50 | Ahli | indeed |
| 13:55.50 | Ahli | the end is near! https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&q=how+long+until+the+end+of+the+world&fp=1&cad=b&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf. |
| 13:59.11 | Snap_ | could castanar man made cliff b made into doodads? |
| 13:59.53 | ducky_ | that's pretty funny xD |
| 14:00.09 | Vindicator | might not act as intended, but if it's possible go make a doodad and set it's model to one of the castanar man made cliff b's |
| 14:00.35 | ducky_ | but still. a movie that lasts 4 and a half hours.. >.> |
| 14:02.35 | Kueken | Ahli: you got yahoo blizzard'ed as well? ;) |
| 14:03.06 | Ahli | yes... I see them in my daily spam report :D |
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| 14:38.30 | Ahli | yay, I added a frame containing an image |
| 14:38.42 | Ahli | that only shows up when a single unit is selected |
| 14:45.01 | Stewox | blizz-deletarous |
| 14:45.33 | Stewox | Will there be higher quality textures than WOL for super-high-end machines in HOTS ? |
| 14:46.54 | Ahli | do you use your company's mainframe for gaming? |
| 14:46.56 | Stewox | I damn hope so, please allow us to buff specs really high, there could be a separate super-quality texture set on an optional DVD |
| 14:47.23 | Stewox | blizz-deletarius (typo fix) |
| 14:48.20 | Stewox | but you have to make sure those assets are less compressed when released, or it won't be magically better |
| 14:50.00 | Ahli | stewox wants super HD textures... Ahli lowers the resolution of the wow model textures before importing them into maps... |
| 14:52.42 | Stewox | please blizz, there's not much work for a few programmers, I belive RAW textures on dev-PCs are much more detailed |
| 14:52.58 | Stewox | for ppl who have 2GB GDDR5 and up :) |
| 14:53.56 | Stewox | the options screen could also have a progress-bar indicator how much video memory is used by sc2.exe |
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| 14:56.36 | Vindicator | the amount of video memory fluctuates during gameplay greatly |
| 14:56.40 | Vindicator | *amount used |
| 14:57.54 | Ahli | life label... what are you doing, argh |
| 15:01.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | I've been summoned |
| 15:01.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | what's up |
| 15:01.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh |
| 15:01.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | haven't heard of anything about that |
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| 15:02.49 | Ahli | is the verticalposition of the life label fixed? |
| 15:03.14 | Ahli | I mean... is hardcoded to be bound to the wireframe? |
| 15:03.38 | Ahli | I can move it left and right, but I fail to change its vertical position |
| 15:04.06 | Ahli | I want to use them above my life bars for instantly showing correct number values at least |
| 15:07.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | not sure Ahli |
| 15:07.06 | Blizz-Deletarius | what's the frame for it? |
| 15:08.13 | Ahli | GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/InfoPanel/LifeLabel |
| 15:09.23 | Blizz-Deletarius | it might be hard coded |
| 15:10.32 | Dogmai | I just coded in the little + flashing sign above abilities that can be selected Dele <3 |
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| 15:10.43 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh nice :) |
| 15:10.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | did you get my message about the audio stuff? |
| 15:11.05 | Dogmai | Actors |
| 15:11.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | yeap |
| 15:11.16 | Dogmai | You may as well be speaking Finnish |
| 15:11.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | it can be done there, and it's not a trivial amount of work to re-code |
| 15:11.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | into triggers |
| 15:11.41 | Ahli | :S At least hardcode it to its frame... |
| 15:11.42 | Dogmai | The data editor is a second language to me, i honestly have spent less than 10 minutes in the data editor in the last 2 years |
| 15:11.51 | Blizz-Deletarius | have you done much data work? |
| 15:11.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh |
| 15:12.00 | Dogmai | Absolutely none |
| 15:12.04 | Dogmai | I can change a button face |
| 15:12.07 | Dogmai | Thats about it |
| 15:12.13 | Dogmai | I have had no time to explore it |
| 15:12.18 | Ahli | I dislike hardcoded things that ignore their frame... makes me wonder why you even created a frame in first place |
| 15:12.22 | Dogmai | Because its been non-stop coding and art work |
| 15:12.50 | Dogmai | Its funny though, Dry has picked up scripting really fast |
| 15:13.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | Ahli, the frames are more or less components that you can use in other things |
| 15:13.02 | Blizz-Deletarius | like |
| 15:13.06 | Blizz-Deletarius | you create a button |
| 15:13.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | so you can then include that component/button all over the place |
| 15:13.58 | Ahli | I know |
| 15:14.15 | Ahli | but your engine should use the lifelabel code to update the life value in it |
| 15:14.46 | Ahli | it shouldn't leave its frame and start to use values of another frame instead |
| 15:15.13 | Ahli | like it is using the vertical position with an offset of the wireframe |
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| 15:19.34 | Vailreth | hello mapsters |
| 15:22.00 | Ahli | Blizz-Deletarius: it works, when the unit has shields and life... |
| 15:22.21 | Ahli | I moved the shields around and they appear where I want it to be, if the unit has shields |
| 15:22.57 | Ahli | at least the whole cluster is moved... it's always dependend on each other |
| 15:23.26 | Blizz-Deletarius | you're saying you can't vertically move it at all? |
| 15:24.35 | Ahli | Unit WITHOUT shields: it uses wireframe as offset....... Unit WITH shields: it uses shield frame as offset [all for vertical position] |
| 15:24.45 | Blizz-Deletarius | hm |
| 15:24.48 | Blizz-Deletarius | well |
| 15:24.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | <Frame type="MinimapPanel" name="GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/MinimapPanel" file="GameUI"> <Anchor side="Top" offset="0" pos="Min" relative="$parent"/> <Anchor side="Right" offset="0" pos="Max" relative="$parent"/> <Anchor side="Left" offset="0" pos="Min" relative="$this"/> <Anchor side="Bottom" offset="0" pos="Max" relative="$this"/> </Frame> |
| 15:25.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | change that around, try it out |
| 15:25.12 | Ahli | the offsets of life and energy are always set. The shield offset is adjustable |
| 15:26.11 | Ahli | I can move the minimap around where I want it to be |
| 15:26.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | no |
| 15:26.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | I meant change minimappanel |
| 15:26.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | and the name/type info |
| 15:26.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | to the thing you're doing |
| 15:26.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | the lifelabel |
| 15:29.27 | Ahli | within my frame setup, it moves the label to the right side of the screen |
| 15:30.39 | Dogmai | Damnit Dele, you know what I hate, when you are right. Those flashing + signs are actually pretty bloody cool |
| 15:30.48 | Blizz-Deletarius | ;) |
| 15:30.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's all usability |
| 15:31.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | you should look into it sometime, it'll change the way you think about things |
| 15:32.44 | Dogmai | I just had a really good idea |
| 15:32.55 | Dogmai | Fade after wait for dialog items |
| 15:33.13 | Dogmai | Like say you want to fade something to 100% transparency over 2 seconds but wait 4 seconds for it to kick in |
| 15:33.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | you can do that, with 2 trigger actions |
| 15:33.32 | Ahli | imageshack is broken o0 |
| 15:33.37 | Dogmai | Instead of having a wait (when using inline code) or having to create a function that runs on its own thread |
| 15:33.59 | Blizz-Deletarius | ahli, use imgur |
| 15:34.12 | Ahli | my dropbox is faster |
| 15:34.27 | Ahli | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4479839/Screenshot2012-10-16%2017_31_13.jpg https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4479839/Screenshot2012-10-16%2017_31_17.jpg |
| 15:34.41 | Dogmai | Because of the way I wrote the engine, there cannot be any waits so if anything for some reason needed a wait it needed to create its own thread and execute outside of the main game loop |
| 15:36.20 | Dogmai | Your screenshots Ahli reminded me of the custom map contest when I submitted the first version of tofu |
| 15:36.22 | Dogmai | http://www.dogmai.org/mapcontest.jpg |
| 15:36.55 | Ahli | yeah :D reorganizing UI ^^ |
| 15:37.00 | Dogmai | We were nearly going to have a green 3d outline in the top left hand corner like you have |
| 15:37.16 | Dogmai | But I ran into issues with it tinting colours when i didn't want it to etc, so we scrapped it |
| 15:37.31 | Ahli | the wireframe doesn't exist anymore in our draft... |
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| 15:38.00 | Ahli | If I can deattach the unit description from the wireframe, I will place it onto the unit label |
| 15:38.22 | Ahli | but when I take a guess I would say that it's hardcoded to be bound to the wireframe like everything else |
| 15:38.28 | Stewox | well blizz-deletarius, can't you forward this anywhere so it may happen sometime via patch or even make it into hots ? |
| 15:38.56 | Ahli | and wireframe is hardcoded to be bound to InfoPanel |
| 15:39.22 | Ahli | (with bound I mean that I cannot move the different aspects around within the frame) |
| 15:39.27 | Dogmai | Ahli, may I ask, why don't you use Dialogs |
| 15:39.33 | Ahli | I want to test UI |
| 15:39.34 | Dogmai | Why is it all custom UI layout files |
| 15:39.36 | Dogmai | Ah |
| 15:39.41 | Dogmai | Well don't work too hard |
| 15:39.50 | Dogmai | You have already bypassed me |
| 15:39.51 | Ahli | and I would like to have some things faster than using triggers only |
| 15:39.55 | Dogmai | You're gonna make me look bad |
| 15:40.16 | Ahli | I'm bypassing everyone because I'm learning every aspect of the editor |
| 15:40.23 | Ahli | (except for AI ;D) |
| 15:40.26 | Dogmai | I wish I had the time |
| 15:40.31 | Dogmai | Honestly :) |
| 15:40.44 | Dogmai | I've been stuck in one part of the editor for so long |
| 15:41.11 | Dogmai | Dryeyece knows more about the editor than me because he has been exploring everything whilst I have been scripting |
| 15:41.17 | Ahli | you are making art, too. That's something I can't do (creating images out of nothing). |
| 15:41.38 | Dogmai | And he reads my scripting, and he went from not knowing anything about scripting to writing his own RPG engine for tofu o_O |
| 15:42.12 | Ahli | is he a programmer? |
| 15:42.17 | Dogmai | No, Data |
| 15:42.25 | Dogmai | But he studied video game design at university |
| 15:42.29 | Dogmai | or college or w/e o_O |
| 15:42.49 | Ahli | so I guess he knows how to program. Then triggers are easy to understand. |
| 15:43.05 | Dogmai | Pretty much |
| 15:43.52 | Dogmai | you know what I hate |
| 15:44.01 | Dogmai | how much art work i did for tofu before we could tint dialog items |
| 15:44.15 | Dogmai | when that came in I was like fml |
| 15:44.38 | Ahli | couldn't we always tint images? |
| 15:44.43 | Dogmai | No |
| 15:44.46 | Dogmai | It came in 1.4 |
| 15:45.00 | Dogmai | We could always add blending modes |
| 15:45.10 | Dogmai | I did some really tripping stuff because it is just like photoshop |
| 15:45.18 | Dogmai | The lighting is just like in a photography studio |
| 15:45.24 | Dogmai | Or a 3D modelling program |
| 15:45.41 | Dogmai | It is like they did everything right in the editor |
| 15:45.43 | Zolden | Dogmai, what's tofu? I mean, is it acronym of something? |
| 15:45.47 | Dogmai | It is put together really well |
| 15:45.51 | Dogmai | Tofu is Tofu |
| 15:45.52 | Ahli | I made my diablo inventory in 1.0... I made the icons turn red, if requirements aren't required with some color addition or multiplication |
| 15:45.59 | Dogmai | It was originally an acronym back in 2004 |
| 15:45.59 | Zolden | what is it meant then? |
| 15:46.13 | Dogmai | Secret *O* |
| 15:46.22 | Zolden | acronym of what was it in 2004? |
| 15:46.33 | Zolden | secret? |
| 15:46.37 | Zolden | may i guess? |
| 15:46.38 | Dogmai | It would have been multipling |
| 15:46.40 | Dogmai | Sure |
| 15:46.57 | Dogmai | But it was four words, I dropped a word |
| 15:47.04 | Zolden | f and u mean fuck you, right? |
| 15:47.07 | Dogmai | I dropped a "a" |
| 15:47.16 | Zolden | taste our fuck you |
| 15:47.23 | Zolden | oh |
| 15:47.23 | Dogmai | fcuk means french connection united kingdom |
| 15:47.33 | Dogmai | five words* |
| 15:48.17 | Zolden | try outrageously freee a universe? |
| 15:48.23 | Dogmai | no |
| 15:48.30 | Zolden | but close, right? |
| 15:48.31 | Dogmai | in wc3 it was ice |
| 15:48.34 | Dogmai | ice castles |
| 15:48.42 | Dogmai | so the F stands for Frozen |
| 15:48.44 | Zolden | so, f means frozen |
| 15:48.47 | Dogmai | yea |
| 15:48.50 | Zolden | he-he |
| 15:49.27 | Dogmai | Acronyms were all the rage back then |
| 15:49.34 | Dogmai | God, I remember Dota before it was Dota |
| 15:49.38 | Dogmai | It was actually Defense of the Ancients |
| 15:50.06 | Dogmai | People who modded it (edited it) are the ones who shortened the name |
| 15:50.11 | Dogmai | Because they couldnt fit their name onto the end |
| 15:50.24 | Zolden | tiger outfit - a frozen unicicle |
| 15:50.30 | Dogmai | lolwut? |
| 15:50.35 | Dogmai | what is this, I dont even? |
| 15:50.42 | Zolden | :)) |
| 15:50.44 | Zolden | i give up |
| 15:50.47 | Dogmai | It is very much my style |
| 15:50.55 | Zolden | it's too touf for me |
| 15:51.07 | Dogmai | Well, let me put it this way, if I am ever on stage at Blizzcon I will tell you :P |
| 15:51.27 | Dogmai | But for now, Tofu is just Tofu |
| 15:52.04 | Zolden | they will call you to the stage to do what? to humiliate in front of other mapmakers? I Hear they can do it, to make blizzard cooler |
| 15:52.17 | Zolden | but it won't |
| 15:52.26 | Zolden | no one can humiliate ppl |
| 15:52.34 | Zolden | it's not humanistic |
| 15:52.36 | Dogmai | I can humilate everyone |
| 15:52.40 | Zolden | suckers |
| 15:52.41 | Dogmai | I just get naked -_- |
| 15:52.53 | Zolden | right, humiliate bliizard before they did it first |
| 15:53.04 | Zolden | go naked to blizzcon stage |
| 15:53.09 | Zolden | show them your attitude |
| 15:53.16 | Dogmai | lol |
| 15:53.31 | Dogmai | I have too much respect for Blizzard, my family and myself mate |
| 15:53.42 | Dogmai | I like to mess around but with serious stuff like that, it aint gonna happen |
| 15:53.46 | Zolden | yeah, blizzard deserved it |
| 15:54.12 | Zolden | wow, u're a man of principles! |
| 15:54.17 | Zolden | i totally approve this |
| 15:54.30 | Dogmai | can't tell if trolling or actually nice |
| 15:54.36 | Dogmai | o_O |
| 15:54.45 | Zolden | i can't either |
| 15:54.52 | Dogmai | then we know we have a problem |
| 15:55.07 | Dogmai | that happens to me sometimes, self-troll |
| 15:55.14 | Zolden | the border between has negative width |
| 15:55.25 | Dogmai | like dividing by zero |
| 15:55.32 | Zolden | oh, intelligenct ppl can afford to self-troll |
| 15:55.40 | Zolden | they are not afraid to be funny |
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| 15:55.55 | Zolden | or muoltiplying by one |
| 15:56.26 | Dogmai | you cannot multiply by 1 |
| 15:56.31 | Zolden | like a band of nerds points a bully and like 'hey, guys, go divide that guy by zero!' |
| 15:56.32 | Dogmai | that is wasting time |
| 15:56.34 | Dogmai | remove the x1 |
| 15:56.40 | Dogmai | just have = |
| 15:57.07 | Zolden | ok, then getting a power of 1 |
| 15:57.42 | Zolden | or getting derivative of exp(x) |
| 15:58.02 | Dogmai | i need to clean my engine |
| 15:58.06 | Zolden | or using 1.0 instead of 1 |
| 15:58.07 | Dogmai | i just cleaned it like 2 months ago damnit |
| 15:58.28 | Zolden | you mean game engine? |
| 15:58.32 | Zolden | or vehicle's? |
| 16:00.31 | Ahli | hm... my last course at university uses the same tasks I had when I visited that course the first time... |
| 16:00.46 | Zolden | no way |
| 16:02.35 | Zolden | i'd like to discuss a strange thing |
| 16:03.01 | Zolden | I renamed an old map and uploaded it, but server didn't recognized it and iddn't rewrote the old one |
| 16:03.20 | Ahli | (because name is its identifier) |
| 16:03.29 | Zolden | Then I renamed aanother map, but server recognized it and was able to replce the old one |
| 16:03.56 | Zolden | Ahli, don't think so, earlier I renamed another map and it also was identified |
| 16:04.16 | Ahli | did you only rename a locale that wasn't used to publish? |
| 16:04.18 | Zolden | saved all bookmarks and the version |
| 16:04.30 | Zolden | nope, local file stayed fine |
| 16:04.38 | Zolden | you think local file's name affects it? |
| 16:04.41 | Dogmai | game engine |
| 16:04.52 | Ahli | I mean locale... the localized name of the map |
| 16:04.56 | Dogmai | i only found out that i could search for function names using control+F |
| 16:04.58 | Dogmai | 2 years |
| 16:05.08 | Dogmai | 2 god damn years and no one bothered to tell me until like last week |
| 16:05.11 | Dogmai | i hate you all, oh so much |
| 16:05.18 | Ahli | while uploading you can chose a locale (for some reason) |
| 16:05.40 | Zolden | Ahli, so if I remove file name and publish, it will be like I'm publishing the new map? |
| 16:05.41 | Ahli | like enGB or ruRU or whatever Russian is named |
| 16:05.54 | Ahli | for me it always is and was |
| 16:05.58 | Zolden | it's just server to publish |
| 16:06.15 | Ahli | it's not server to publish |
| 16:06.20 | Zolden | I always publish via russian server to avoid localization bug |
| 16:06.26 | Zolden | hmm |
| 16:06.59 | Zolden | but I haven't changed anything except map's name when it was created as a new map |
| 16:07.16 | Ahli | it created wrong labels for the arcade info though... like how to win was in German for everyone in arcade beta in my map ;D |
| 16:07.21 | Zolden | I just want to do the same, to publish old map as a new one |
| 16:07.52 | Zolden | Ducky said that my map has russian labels |
| 16:07.58 | Zolden | looks like it's intentional thing |
| 16:08.24 | Ahli | name of which map? |
| 16:08.40 | Ahli | how is it called? |
| 16:08.45 | Ahli | I want to find it on arcade |
| 16:09.02 | Zolden | Z remake |
| 16:09.21 | Ahli | (there is no button in your profile to display links to published files) |
| 16:09.26 | Ahli | (sadly) |
| 16:09.56 | Zolden | 1.5 years ago I created it, don't even remember is there a thread on mapster for this map |
| 16:10.20 | Ahli | ok, the search engine makes a perfect string match appear somewhere in the middle |
| 16:10.38 | Ahli | it's not that I could have known the exact name of what I'm looking for |
| 16:11.09 | ducky_ | waaaaait, you can rename already published map in arcade?/ |
| 16:11.17 | Zolden | yes we can |
| 16:11.29 | Ahli | TODO for Blizzard: add " " into search to look for exactly that string like google does |
| 16:11.34 | ducky_ | I .. thought it was impossible D: |
| 16:11.53 | Zolden | yeah, spaces in search would be cool |
| 16:12.01 | Ahli | you can use spaces now |
| 16:12.10 | Zolden | ducky, because you never tried :) |
| 16:12.14 | ducky_ | how do you do it? just publish same version under a different name? |
| 16:12.20 | Zolden | yeah |
| 16:12.26 | Ahli | how to play: russian... yay |
| 16:12.27 | ducky_ | and it replaces old one? |
| 16:12.35 | Zolden | you can change name in maps, info or maybe in publish window |
| 16:12.52 | Zolden | I thought it always replaces |
| 16:13.05 | Zolden | but yesturday I renamed and it didn't replace |
| 16:13.44 | Zolden | and the map become "new", returend into "fun or not" |
| 16:14.10 | ducky_ | I just saw that warning when you delite mat that you cant' reclaim name of deleted map so I assumed... but at the same time I kinda forgot that you can name map in general info. |
| 16:14.15 | Zolden | so, if your map is kinda forgotten, you can try to rename it as a new map, but i don't know waht caused it in my case |
| 16:14.17 | ducky_ | I need to try this |
| 16:15.16 | Ahli | I like that roads make the unit faster ;D |
| 16:16.05 | Zolden | unfortunately, pathfinding engine can't use it to make optimal pathes |
| 16:16.23 | Ahli | you need to hide the supply frame |
| 16:16.28 | Zolden | water makes units slower, but they stupidly move under water ;/ |
| 16:16.37 | Zolden | yeah |
| 16:16.49 | Zolden | it's seen stupidly |
| 16:23.41 | Stewox | later |
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| 16:44.02 | ckSynergy | is it possible to make one-shot timer that lasts indefinitely? |
| 16:47.24 | Dustin|Work | That kind of defeats the purpose of having a ONE-shot timer |
| 16:48.14 | Dustin|Work | You can have a Periodic Timer |
| 16:50.02 | Vindicator | well, you kinda have a timer already that lasts indefinitely: game time. there's the event that you can have stuff happen with based on how much game time has elapsed. would that accomplish what you're trying to do ckSynergy? |
| 16:50.13 | ckSynergy | ah, but if you have a one-shot timer, then you cant get elapsed to remaining time |
| 16:50.25 | ckSynergy | well, you can, but itd be pointless if it expires frequently |
| 16:51.05 | Dustin|Work | Depends on what you need it for |
| 16:51.07 | ckSynergy | nevermind, Im just going to use custom script instead of a timer |
| 16:51.17 | Dustin|Work | What are you trying to do? |
| 16:51.44 | Ahli | "use custom script instead of a timer" statement makes no sense |
| 16:51.55 | Dustin|Work | ^ |
| 16:51.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | how granular do you need the timer to be? |
| 16:52.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | on a second? on 5 seconds? on 10 seconds? |
| 16:53.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | sorry I mean accurate |
| 16:56.04 | equinox1911_ | oh timer related chat ? |
| 16:56.28 | Vindicator | i know this is a crazy loaded question, but is there any chance you could give a brief explanation of what all the different actor "Types" are Deletarius? |
| 16:56.30 | Dustin|Work | If the guy would respond :P |
| 16:56.39 | equinox1911_ | i have a question: does reducing the number of timers used result in better performence |
| 16:56.47 | Dustin|Work | no |
| 16:57.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | Vindicator, what do you mean, like Game, Art and Sound, etc? |
| 16:57.01 | equinox1911_ | so they are all one timer built in aftert all ? |
| 16:57.06 | Dustin|Work | If you have periodic timers with a bunch of code and a small repeat interval it could effect performance |
| 16:57.14 | Blizz-Deletarius | or, Units, Models, Sounds, Actors, Effects, Behaviors, etc |
| 16:57.37 | Vindicator | like "Action, Actor list, Arc, Banker (unit), etc |
| 16:57.52 | Vindicator | when you add a new actor, basically the dropdown of "types" to choose from |
| 16:58.08 | equinox1911_ | let me explain: i created a lot of triggers with event: timer elapses (some priodic some not) |
| 16:58.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | there's over 65 different types, I'm not going to give an explanation of each type ;) |
| 16:58.43 | equinox1911_ | my thought was i change the system to trigger event 1 sec passes: change a variable that i use as my "custom" timer |
| 16:58.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | are there any that you're trying to understand specifically? |
| 16:58.47 | Dustin|Work | There's 65? |
| 16:58.49 | ckSynergy | Blizz-Deletarius: nevermind. I realized I should be using some different than a timer |
| 16:58.51 | Blizz-Deletarius | over |
| 16:58.54 | ckSynergy | but while you're here... |
| 16:58.55 | Dustin|Work | Damn I didn't think there were that many |
| 16:59.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | I think there's 70 or 71? |
| 17:00.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | equinox, I did the same thing myself - every 5 seconds (periodic) increase my gTimerVar by 5 |
| 17:00.10 | ckSynergy | There's a bug in the editor. When you have a mod in the mod folder, and a map in the maps folder with a dependency linked to the mod, and you have the mod open in the editor with the preferance "TestMap" set to your map, if you run "Test Map" from the open mod file, it duplicates the data it appears |
| 17:00.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | er 15 secs, sorry |
| 17:00.21 | Blizz-Deletarius | and by 15 |
| 17:00.35 | ckSynergy | so, if you run a issue order, units do the order twice. If you have a levels behavior, units can learn 2x the level cap |
| 17:00.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | ck, please post this on the forums and link me so I can send to our QA? |
| 17:01.40 | ckSynergy | battlenet down |
| 17:01.45 | ckSynergy | :) |
| 17:01.47 | Vindicator | the problem is, there's so many i have no clue what they do, i don't really know what i'm missing, so it's not a matter of trying to do something with actors in the data editor, it's a matter of knowing what i have at my disposal |
| 17:01.51 | Blizz-Deletarius | when it comes up |
| 17:01.51 | equinox1911_ | yeah BLizz-Deletarius, i had such a setup in another map too, the question remains will cleaning the map that way increase performance ? |
| 17:01.55 | ckSynergy | roger |
| 17:02.08 | equinox1911_ | since it would be hrs of work im trying to get some info about it |
| 17:02.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | equinox, you could always run the triggerdebugger |
| 17:02.34 | Blizz-Deletarius | but, something happening ever 5 seconds or 1 second shouldn't matter for performance at all |
| 17:02.52 | Vindicator | i'll go ahead and make a list of ones i think i understand for the most part and make a list of ones i'm clueless about and see how many that narrows things down to |
| 17:03.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok |
| 17:04.14 | equinox1911_ | triggerdebugger ? |
| 17:04.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes |
| 17:04.25 | equinox1911_ | that sounds like i have been missing out |
| 17:06.26 | Blizz-Deletarius | Preferences> Test Document |
| 17:06.45 | Blizz-Deletarius | then look at "Run game in a window" |
| 17:06.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | and then also click "show trigger debugging window" |
| 17:07.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | or in game -trigdebug |
| 17:07.13 | equinox1911_ | thanks for the tip :) |
| 17:07.17 | equinox1911_ | this is awesom |
| 17:07.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | yeap |
| 17:07.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | you people need to explore the tool more ;) |
| 17:07.43 | equinox1911_ | :) |
| 17:07.53 | Dustin|Work | I cant use trigger debugger |
| 17:07.59 | Blizz-Deletarius | why not? |
| 17:08.02 | Dustin|Work | It always eats all my resources and locks my shit up |
| 17:08.06 | equinox1911_ | also i needed to get my rusty mind into programming again |
| 17:08.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | welp |
| 17:08.21 | Dustin|Work | I haven't tried in a while, I might give it another go |
| 17:08.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | afk |
| 17:09.14 | Ahli | dustin, disable the bottom's output |
| 17:09.39 | Dustin|Work | Oh ya? |
| 17:09.43 | Dustin|Work | That fix it up for you? |
| 17:10.21 | Ahli | if you display every event, it stops everything for the processing time |
| 17:10.37 | Dustin|Work | Hmm Ill have to mess with it when I get home |
| 17:10.43 | Ahli | so only display errors |
| 17:11.12 | Dustin|Work | I have pretty ocd debug coding habbits |
| 17:11.16 | Ahli | or even disable errors, if you only get warnings like I do (I'm creating units marked as projectile's with triggers to filter them out in triggers) |
| 17:11.24 | Dustin|Work | So I usually dont even need the debuger |
| 17:11.57 | Vindicator | i actually just made a tutorial on the preferences window a few days ago equinox - this'll teach u the majority of whats in it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gXbX6qTUiU |
| 17:13.15 | equinox1911_ | thanks @ vindicator i will take a look |
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| 17:18.35 | Vindicator | Ok deletarius, there's 93 actor actions (31 are site operation related) and i've narrowed the list down to 25, not including site operations, that i'm pretty oblivious to. how many do you think you'd have time to briefly explain? |
| 17:19.08 | Vindicator | or i could ask 1 a day for a month lol |
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| 17:21.22 | ducky_ | and then there are also other things such as mismatch flags for markers :3 |
| 17:21.58 | ducky_ | would be interesting to know for what they can be used :D |
| 17:22.20 | ducky_ | since I don't think i've seen them used anywhere |
| 17:22.36 | ducky_ | but it looks like something useful |
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| 17:24.11 | Vindicator | if i were to completely guess what something like that is, i would say you could compare whether two players had researched something, and if it didn't match a mismatch flag would work for that |
| 17:24.35 | ducky__ | I crashed there :/ |
| 17:24.54 | ducky__ | those flags are on markers that every single effect has |
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| 17:25.26 | Vindicator | what do markers do? |
| 17:25.48 | ducky__ | and the only use for them that I know is for checking if unit was affected by effect |
| 17:26.04 | ducky__ | mutalisk attack uses them |
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| 17:28.29 | ducky__ | so that one use of them is pretty useful for me (mark effects ID + use no marker validator), but I can't help to think that there is mooooore =D |
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| 17:30.13 | ducku | ooooh, it's actually used by whole lot of affects, judging by "used by" tab on "no markers" validator |
| 17:30.33 | ducku | affects.... wtf am I typing :/ |
| 17:31.44 | pirate | does Blizzard give tours of the campus? |
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| 17:36.45 | ducku | oh hey.. I found a use of mismatch flag. But trying to understand how they work makes me feel bad :/ |
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| 17:39.35 | ducku | I get how they're used for aoe kind of attacks where targets can be affected by something only once, but then there they're also used for heal abilities to prevent 2 healers healing same unit at the same time :/ |
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| 17:43.38 | ducku | So, Im match flags Id is just that specific effect, Link is that effect type, casting unit/casting player I can guess... but what do mismatch flags accomplish, anyone knows? |
| 17:46.04 | equinox1911_ | nice video vindicator |
| 17:46.12 | equinox1911_ | one lil thing though : |
| 17:46.13 | equinox1911_ | preferences - video setttings do not change the settings the document will be tested in. these settings will change the video settings in the terrain module. |
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| 18:25.05 | ducku | eh, I kinda figured what mismatch flags do on heal ability be testing it >.> nevermind me =D |
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| 18:29.10 | hobbidude | hey i have a question thats more league based but seeing as we know how to of the editor, im wonder how does starcraft order building when you hotkey them into a control group Ie if you hotkey a nexus, forge, and twlight what determines the order? |
| 18:32.52 | Exaken | I think "Subgroup Priority" is what you're looking for |
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| 18:33.29 | hobbidude | ty but not quite |
| 18:33.37 | hobbidude | im not looking for in editor |
| 18:33.42 | hobbidude | looking for in league |
| 18:33.52 | Exaken | Oh |
| 18:34.13 | hobbidude | or is this subgroup priority the same in all league maps? |
| 18:34.44 | hobbidude | i guess im more wondering if one building will always be before another |
| 18:35.28 | hobbidude | hey admins wakeup lol |
| 18:35.42 | hobbidude | blizz i mean |
| 18:38.22 | DeadZergling | well, could just test it out in game hobbi |
| 18:38.40 | DeadZergling | is 2 possibilities I can think of |
| 18:38.45 | Ahli | Blizz-Deletarius, I've created a small text document explaining the problem and showing a solution that doesn't seem to require a lot of changes (from my external point of view). Basically it's solving the problem with the addition of 7 label frames and the addition in the engine to use and display the correct label frames. Also, this can improve the default UI can be slightly improved to make it able to display units with 100k |
| 18:38.46 | Ahli | energy properly... |
| 18:38.55 | DeadZergling | either alphabetically by their data name |
| 18:39.02 | DeadZergling | or by their relative position on the map |
| 18:39.08 | DeadZergling | when selected |
| 18:40.03 | DeadZergling | guess they figured no one would ever need to have more than 9000 energy, eh Ahli? :) |
| 18:41.25 | Ahli | actually you can't see the energy, if your unit has max shields and max life |
| 18:41.43 | Ahli | actually you can't see the max life then ;D |
| 18:45.21 | DeadZergling | is a problem, speaking of those, decided I don't like my spellcasting system again, lol |
| 18:46.26 | TheSkunk__ | 07hobbidude01, there is a field called "subgroup priority" in the data editor for each unit, I believe they are always the same so one unit will always show before another unit |
| 18:46.37 | DeadZergling | what I was using worked, but it was less accurate than I would have liked |
| 18:49.07 | Ahli | oh wait, it would require to add 8 frames |
| 18:49.43 | Ahli | forgot EnergyLabel, if shields and life require 2 lines... |
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| 18:54.16 | Ahli | anyway, need to buy food... afk |
| 18:54.25 | Taintedwisp | and my nerves are shot... |
| 18:54.34 | Taintedwisp | This is such bullshit |
| 18:56.50 | ckSynergy | ? |
| 18:56.54 | ckSynergy | Taintedwisp? |
| 18:58.31 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 18:58.33 | Taintedwisp | oh |
| 18:58.55 | Taintedwisp | Yeah.... I'm just really irritated, You know how when you were a teen and you thought that your parents were the worst? |
| 18:59.21 | Taintedwisp | Well now imagine having to move back in and realizing you werent just a stupid kid, that one in my case, really is a terrible person.. |
| 18:59.51 | ckSynergy | ah yea |
| 18:59.54 | ckSynergy | but ya gotta love em |
| 19:00.09 | Dustin|Work | TaintedWisp, that's what weed was invented for |
| 19:00.13 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 19:00.39 | Taintedwisp | no... not after you realize everything that has been done.. No i dont love this bitch... Soo fucking sick of her stupid shit... |
| 19:01.06 | Taintedwisp | Fucking cats came and pissed on my fuckin bed... she hands me a fucking bottle of air freshner, and doesnt do shit about the cats nor seems to even care |
| 19:01.44 | Taintedwisp | fucking back has been killing me for 3 weeks, She wont do anything... |
| 19:02.48 | Taintedwisp | There is a Landfill of strait up crap in my room, that she said she would get out of there quickly, well, none of that is gone, She got pissed because my brothers and I cleaned up the Game room, where we normally stay for most of the day, and she got pissed off about that.. |
| 19:03.19 | Dustin|Work | That you cleaned? |
| 19:03.20 | ckSynergy | ? |
| 19:03.23 | Dustin|Work | Is your mom a hoarder? |
| 19:03.53 | Taintedwisp | yes... |
| 19:03.56 | Taintedwisp | Completely |
| 19:04.01 | TheSkunk__ | How many cats? |
| 19:04.18 | Taintedwisp | They have 3, inside, I have 1 outside, somehow the cat I pay for feed and everything is a problem too |
| 19:04.31 | Taintedwisp | though it hasnt done anyhting |
| 19:04.32 | TheSkunk__ | ._. |
| 19:04.48 | TheSkunk__ | Hoarder + too many cats is a bad combination |
| 19:05.00 | Taintedwisp | Hoarder, is bad.. |
| 19:05.16 | Dustin|Work | Yeah, that's no good |
| 19:05.20 | Taintedwisp | Not to mention shes fucking Bi Polar... |
| 19:05.41 | Taintedwisp | So its always, poor me this, poor me that, Though she doesnt do jack shit.... |
| 19:06.03 | Taintedwisp | she goes teaches at a school she hates so she could make 0.25$ an hour more.. |
| 19:06.12 | Taintedwisp | and complains all fucking day |
| 19:06.29 | Taintedwisp | because she was too greedy to take the slightly less paying teaching job. |
| 19:07.06 | Dustin|Work | Doesn't sound like she should be teaching anyone at all :P |
| 19:07.27 | Taintedwisp | I had honestly thought, because I moved out and moved to my dad at 15, That it was just me overreacting as a kid... No... no it wasnt.. |
| 19:08.01 | Taintedwisp | Yeah and I dont smoke weed, or drink or anything like that. |
| 19:08.17 | Taintedwisp | sooo yeah, my nerves are just a little bit shot right now.. |
| 19:10.22 | Tolkfan | http://htwins.net/scale2/ this makes me feel so small... |
| 19:10.34 | Taintedwisp | OH YEAH, she went in my room for 20 minutes, Stacked shit on my nightstand took nothing out, and then got pissed because i took the crates off.... |
| 19:12.08 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 19:14.32 | DeadZergling | so dramatic today tainted |
| 19:24.27 | DeadZergling | Oh I don't know Tolkfan |
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| 19:24.32 | DeadZergling | if you look at 10^10 |
| 19:24.36 | DeadZergling | you can see that humans are in fact taller than most stars, lol |
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| 19:24.46 | ckSynergy | so |
| 19:24.57 | ckSynergy | whats the best way to ensure a resource is saturated? |
| 19:25.27 | Vailreth | use hydrongenated vegtable oil |
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| 19:25.36 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 19:26.20 | Vailreth | god i needed that laugh |
| 19:26.29 | TheSkunk__ | lol |
| 19:26.43 | Vailreth | borderlands 2 got was depressing yessterday |
| 19:27.28 | ckSynergy | :) |
| 19:27.29 | ckSynergy | ah ha |
| 19:27.33 | ckSynergy | the mystery solved |
| 19:27.39 | Vailreth | got way* |
| 19:28.42 | ducky_ | what happened? :~O |
| 19:29.02 | DeadZergling | class get nerfed? lol |
| 19:29.07 | Vailreth | na |
| 19:29.23 | Vailreth | my class is OP if you go down the right trees |
| 19:29.37 | Vailreth | na the story is depressiong right now |
| 19:30.07 | Vailreth | and too serious too |
| 19:30.22 | ducky_ | nerfing is always unfortunate, devs should buff everyone else instead to compensate :D |
| 19:30.32 | Vailreth | it lacks the fun charm of the first game |
| 19:30.50 | DeadZergling | agreed ducky |
| 19:30.55 | Ahli | minecraft world is there, tolkafan o0 |
| 19:31.01 | DeadZergling | is a much better practice to give everyone else something |
| 19:31.02 | Vailreth | yes Agreed |
| 19:31.06 | DeadZergling | not always possible though.... |
| 19:31.26 | DeadZergling | there are some cases where an ability is just too powerful :P |
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| 19:32.14 | ducky_ | and if you keep on buffing everything then game becomes too eazy.. But still, giving more options is better than taking them away :P |
| 19:33.09 | Vailreth | i am afraid i feell blizzard has the wrong general approach to ballance....at least it feels so on my end |
| 19:33.31 | Vailreth | they balance by numbers it feels rather than by feel as feel is subjective |
| 19:33.49 | DeadZergling | taking weight away rather than adding weight? |
| 19:34.54 | DeadZergling | well anyways, since it seems to be complaining hour around here |
| 19:34.56 | Vailreth | not sure what you mean. |
| 19:34.59 | DeadZergling | been having a nose hair problem today |
| 19:35.17 | DeadZergling | just so long and tickly, and so painful to yank out |
| 19:35.27 | Vailreth | hm |
| 19:35.40 | DeadZergling | you did say balancing, right Vailreth? |
| 19:35.51 | Vailreth | thank you for sharing that tidbit and yes |
| 19:35.56 | DeadZergling | to balance a scale, you can either add weight to one side that is lighter, or remove weight from the heavier side |
| 19:36.04 | Vailreth | ah |
| 19:36.39 | DeadZergling | or move the bar holding the 2 sides over one way or the other. |
| 19:36.48 | DeadZergling | Not really an accurate scale then though, lol. |
| 19:38.16 | Vailreth | also i had to sell some of my favorite loot in boerderlands 2 to survive the fight that happened right before the game gets very depressing |
| 19:38.18 | DeadZergling | don't worry about my big problem too much though |
| 19:38.30 | DeadZergling | I've made a lot of progress this last hour |
| 19:38.35 | DeadZergling | yanked nearly 20 of them out so far |
| 19:39.00 | Vailreth | ever hear of a nose hair trimmer? |
| 19:39.12 | DeadZergling | can't you simply reacquire the loot? |
| 19:39.37 | Vailreth | i might be able to farm the location where they dropped and get them again |
| 19:39.48 | DeadZergling | aye, this is only a real problem once a month though |
| 19:40.22 | Vailreth | no wait some were mission rewards bummer |
| 19:40.28 | DeadZergling | fortunately there isn't too much bleeding |
| 19:40.45 | Vailreth | but its just loot i guess its supposed to be sold when it out of date |
| 19:41.05 | DeadZergling | aye, loot piles up bad sometimes |
| 19:41.14 | DeadZergling | can become a real chore to get rid of |
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| 19:41.47 | Vailreth | specially for me i hoard loot never want to give any up because it may be usefull some time some where |
| 19:41.51 | DeadZergling | especially if you decide you need 24 20 slot bags in 8-10 characters |
| 19:42.09 | DeadZergling | with 8 houses to hold 200 items each as well |
| 19:42.20 | Vailreth | wow |
| 19:42.38 | DeadZergling | I tradeskilled in everquest, what can I say, lol |
| 19:43.03 | Vailreth | i collect elemental guns in BL2 |
| 19:43.18 | Vailreth | i have one of each sniper except and exploding one |
| 19:43.22 | DeadZergling | sounds fun enough |
| 19:43.30 | DeadZergling | good to swap between based on the enemy I take it? |
| 19:43.46 | Vailreth | but i do have a shotgun that turns into a grenade that spews acid |
| 19:43.49 | Vailreth | and yeah |
| 19:44.58 | DeadZergling | anyways, need to focus a little more here, get more of these death messages in order. |
| 19:45.08 | DeadZergling | got 85 more to go lol |
| 19:45.14 | Vailreth | good luck |
| 19:45.31 | DeadZergling | aye thx, I'm probably overdoing it a bit |
| 19:45.51 | DeadZergling | 5 classes, 5 random messages for each combo of kill, + 5 random messages if they kill themselves |
| 19:45.54 | DeadZergling | so 150 messages total for that |
| 19:46.23 | TheSkunk__ | Trying to make a timer be in the top-center of the screen.. what x\y coordinates would put it in the center of your screen? |
| 19:46.54 | DeadZergling | not sure, you can't simply align it to be top left? |
| 19:47.34 | TheSkunk__ | Not that I can see, you can't choose location when creating it and the only way I can move it allows only x\y coordinates |
| 19:48.30 | DeadZergling | you mean like a timer |
| 19:48.36 | DeadZergling | variable, right? |
| 19:49.13 | TheSkunk__ | A timer window |
| 19:49.27 | DeadZergling | anyways, looking at the wiki on it right now |
| 19:51.38 | DeadZergling | wondering, could you make a dummy dialog of size 1x1, not visible |
| 19:51.38 | TheSkunk__ | There's probably a better way to do it then use built in timer\timer window :P |
| 19:51.42 | DeadZergling | make that top-center |
| 19:51.53 | DeadZergling | then grab its x/y |
| 19:51.57 | DeadZergling | and set the timer window to it? |
| 19:52.27 | ckSynergy | hold on what? |
| 19:52.55 | DeadZergling | Aye, I might use a timer to control a function that creates a time that gets updated in a label or such, but might be able to put a timer window in the center cheating that way, lol. |
| 19:52.57 | ckSynergy | I tried the dummy dialog method. Doesnt work |
| 19:53.00 | ckSynergy | or it doesnt want to work |
| 19:53.16 | ckSynergy | either way, your best bet is to make a dialog |
| 19:53.17 | DeadZergling | my concern using an actual x/y value would be it would vary greatly for each user |
| 19:53.46 | TheSkunk__ | Well, thats why I asked.. not sure what its using to determine x\y and if it would or not |
| 19:54.09 | TheSkunk__ | I might be able to just create it entirely in dialogs, but it seems a bit silly :P |
| 19:54.38 | DeadZergling | is probably the best way though |
| 19:54.39 | TheSkunk__ | shouldn't be that hard to do when timers already allow you to move timer position -- bit suprised it didn't allow you to anchor to specific parts of the screen |
| 19:54.46 | DeadZergling | to have more control |
| 19:54.51 | ckSynergy | *shrugs* |
| 19:54.55 | ckSynergy | what kind of timer is it? |
| 19:55.07 | TheSkunk__ | What do you mean? |
| 19:55.07 | ckSynergy | you get the most control out of a dialog btw ;) |
| 19:55.11 | TheSkunk__ | Yeah I know |
| 19:55.14 | ckSynergy | I mean, what's it timing? |
| 19:55.14 | TheSkunk__ | but its a 1-shot timer |
| 19:55.21 | TheSkunk__ | that luanches at the start of the game, once |
| 19:55.22 | TheSkunk__ | lol |
| 19:55.42 | TheSkunk__ | I don't need it to do anything fancy, so I thought I'd use the simple timer function |
| 19:56.12 | DeadZergling | well, unless you want minutes, it is incredibly simple anyways... |
| 19:56.32 | TheSkunk__ | I do want it in minutes =] |
| 19:56.36 | DeadZergling | just set the timer to be repeating every 0.1 seconds, alter the dialog value by .1 each time |
| 19:56.48 | DeadZergling | well, then not too much more complicated |
| 19:57.03 | TheSkunk__ | Yeah. Its no big deal; I just didn't think it would be necessary |
| 19:57.04 | DeadZergling | every time the value reaches 60, subtract 60 t here, add 1 minute |
| 19:57.12 | DeadZergling | but I agree, is a bit silly :P |
| 19:57.29 | DeadZergling | wonder if there is a way to get a user's screen width |
| 19:57.43 | DeadZergling | could j ust divide t hat by 2 and move the timer there |
| 19:59.21 | DeadZergling | guess another thing is, you could decide you don't really care how centered it is |
| 19:59.25 | DeadZergling | just set the x to 300, lol |
| 20:01.52 | TheSkunk__ | yeah |
| 20:02.18 | TheSkunk__ | Or, for that matter, leave it at default position :P |
| 20:02.40 | DeadZergling | aye, what happens sometimes |
| 20:02.45 | DeadZergling | just have to work w/ the system as best you can |
| 20:11.10 | Ahli | can dead units count to the selected units? |
| 20:15.18 | Dustin|Work | I dont think so |
| 20:16.06 | G0A | what is Weapon Minimum Scan Range? |
| 20:16.47 | DeadZergling | isn't that like minimum engage range? |
| 20:17.12 | Ahli | range in that they look for enemies? |
| 20:17.59 | G0A | sc2mapster wiki says: How far the weapon scans for aquiring targets |
| 20:18.07 | G0A | but that doesnt seems to be true |
| 20:18.26 | G0A | I cant see it does actually anything.D |
| 20:19.00 | DeadZergling | maybe, it won't work if their vision isn't good enough |
| 20:19.28 | DeadZergling | it definitely does something, made a large difference when I fiddled with it on my treants |
| 20:23.45 | G0A | I have full vision of the map |
| 20:24.34 | Ahli | is your unit defensive? |
| 20:24.44 | G0A | and the unit attacks if I set it 0 and for example turrets dont face to it if I set higher than range and the target isnt in range but is in the range of minimum scan range |
| 20:25.10 | G0A | offensive |
| 20:26.29 | G0A | hmm |
| 20:26.39 | G0A | maybe its only for move able units. |
| 20:26.53 | G0A | (most likely) |
| 20:29.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster Xapti (~quassel@S0106001fbc08a819.wp.shawcable.net) |
| 20:29.59 | ckSynergy | hmm |
| 20:30.02 | ckSynergy | I wonder |
| 20:31.06 | ckSynergy | Lets say we have 1 mineral field, 6 workers, and a base positioned as close as possible. Now, if those workers are ordered to harvest that mineral field, obviously 3 wont be doing anything while waiting for the field to be cleared. Now, heres the question. Are those workers considered idle? |
| 20:33.25 | Dustin|Work | Check and see |
| 20:34.10 | Dustin|Work | They probably have orders qued up and are not considered idle |
| 20:36.11 | Ahli | anyone knows how to hookup a frame I created within existing frames with the UI editor? |
| 20:36.56 | Ahli | I can't hook that up :S |
| 20:38.08 | Dustin|Work | protip: wait for HOTS UI Designer :P |
| 20:38.20 | Cheekything | if it ever comes out :/ |
| 20:38.30 | Dustin|Work | Ive seen it |
| 20:38.33 | Ahli | my problem isn't the designing part |
| 20:38.33 | Cheekything | how many of you have the beta btw? |
| 20:38.37 | Dustin|Work | me |
| 20:38.40 | TheSkunk__ | I do |
| 20:38.47 | Dustin|Work | It's functional but you cant save anything yet |
| 20:38.48 | Cheekything | lucky bastards :P |
| 20:39.04 | Dustin|Work | Luck had nothing to do with it :P |
| 20:39.11 | TheSkunk__ | I know there are many others that hang out here who have it as well, even if they aren't currently present |
| 20:39.15 | Dustin|Work | I got some insider friends |
| 20:39.30 | Cheekything | would love a copy just saying |
| 20:39.50 | Cheekything | also are they still making blizzard dota (or whatever they renamed it too) |
| 20:39.58 | TheSkunk__ | yes |
| 20:40.12 | Ahli | I can't hook it from standard UI. I can't hook it up from the standard hooked up panel... |
| 20:40.17 | TheSkunk__ | http://us.media.blizzard.com/all-stars/index.html :P |
| 20:40.44 | Cheekything | i almst choked on my food reading that |
| 20:40.58 | Dustin|Work | lol why |
| 20:41.03 | Cheekything | soonish tm |
| 20:41.20 | Ahli | they want to make it an esports |
| 20:41.32 | Ahli | I think |
| 20:41.38 | Dustin|Work | I think they are a little to late to catch the dota wagon themselves |
| 20:41.59 | Cheekything | if only they hadnt of messed up bnet |
| 20:43.47 | Cheekything | The part I want to know about is how are they going to make it use WC3 style armour percentage based system |
| 20:44.04 | Cheekything | and access to all the spells and hero sytems they make if they are better |
| 20:44.06 | Dustin|Work | They arnet |
| 20:44.24 | Dustin|Work | Its not going to be a dota clone |
| 20:44.30 | Dustin|Work | It's going to be a dumbed down dota |
| 20:44.35 | Ahli | why should they use the wc3 system? |
| 20:44.48 | Cheekything | because otherwise it gets stupid :/ |
| 20:44.54 | Ahli | why? |
| 20:45.14 | Taintedwisp | Great got kicked from another guild |
| 20:45.26 | Cheekything | because 100 armour canceling out 100 damage is a bit weird |
| 20:45.36 | Dustin|Work | That doesnt mean they are doing it that way |
| 20:45.44 | Cheekything | true |
| 20:45.54 | Cheekything | they could use dice rolls like D&D |
| 20:46.03 | Dustin|Work | Wouldnt work for esports |
| 20:46.06 | Ahli | sc2 players might be unfamiliar with that damage system and might be confused because normally they can always see at the weapon how much damage it deals to units. |
| 20:46.24 | Taintedwisp | LOL, Apprarently, its impossible for someon e to play Warcraft games since before WoW |
| 20:46.36 | Cheekything | …. |
| 20:46.50 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:46.51 | Dustin|Work | It is? |
| 20:47.03 | Taintedwisp | According to WoW players... no games existed since before wow... |
| 20:47.12 | Cheekything | you can still have it display ahli |
| 20:47.13 | Dustin|Work | lol the BEST games existed before wow |
| 20:47.22 | Cheekything | wow came from wc3 to be fair :/ |
| 20:47.33 | Cheekything | (and 2) |
| 20:47.39 | Dustin|Work | and 1 |
| 20:47.46 | Cheekything | I always forget 1 |
| 20:47.48 | Taintedwisp | From, As in AFTEr... but WoW players think that no games existed before, to the point they will cuss and yell... |
| 20:47.57 | Dustin|Work | How can you forget 1 lol |
| 20:48.03 | Cheekything | never played it |
| 20:48.14 | Dustin|Work | Well they dont start games at 2 |
| 20:48.16 | Dustin|Work | Actually |
| 20:48.18 | Dustin|Work | Im going to do that |
| 20:48.21 | Cheekything | lol |
| 20:48.22 | Ahli | well ok, you are right :S |
| 20:48.28 | Dustin|Work | Make a new game and start at the sequal |
| 20:48.33 | Ahli | it had like 5 classes correct? |
| 20:49.04 | Cheekything | wc1? |
| 20:49.21 | Cheekything | no wait I have played it |
| 20:50.06 | Cheekything | just 2 was better and 3 made me forget the others existed xD |
| 20:50.08 | Dustin|Work | Warcraft: Orcs and Humans |
| 20:51.14 | Cheekything | still percentage based armour systems can be more useful for hero based games |
| 20:51.45 | Ahli | Blizz-Deletarius: need help hooking up a frame I added to the default UI with the UI editor... I want to edit the frame that contains my life bar image... |
| 20:52.04 | niarch | Saeris, does the editor have a tool to show the pathing units will take? |
| 20:52.12 | Dustin|Work | No |
| 20:52.17 | niarch | Ehh, not meant to Saeris, just a general quaestion |
| 20:52.18 | Saeris | no |
| 20:52.23 | niarch | Blast |
| 20:52.24 | niarch | why not? |
| 20:52.36 | Saeris | dunno? |
| 20:52.43 | Dustin|Work | You can get PAthing cost between points |
| 20:53.03 | Saeris | i wish the editor had a pathing tool like that |
| 20:53.04 | Dustin|Work | And make a function that emulates their pathing to a certain point |
| 20:53.08 | Dustin|Work | but nothing in the editor itself |
| 20:53.14 | Saeris | but the pathing engine doesn't run in the editor as far as i know |
| 20:53.19 | Dustin|Work | ^ |
| 20:53.22 | Saeris | it has the pathing information |
| 20:53.28 | Saeris | but not the engine that does the calculation |
| 20:53.39 | Ahli | terrain editor displays pathing costs between 2 points that you choose |
| 20:53.50 | Dustin|Work | Blizz-Deletarius, Add us a new tool that lets you select two points on the map and it;ll connect the lines based on pathing |
| 20:53.58 | Saeris | you mean the measure tool ahli? |
| 20:54.02 | Ahli | yes |
| 20:54.03 | niarch | Ahli, how do you use that? |
| 20:54.09 | Saeris | that thing actually sucks |
| 20:54.17 | Saeris | it doesn't work between cliff heights |
| 20:54.23 | niarch | Oh yeah, I don't wabt the as the crow fly distance |
| 20:54.32 | Saeris | and it only calculates air travel distance |
| 20:54.35 | niarch | I just want the pathing units will take from x to y without going to the game as well as the distance of it. |
| 20:54.45 | Ahli | it still doesn't work from normal cliff up a ramp? |
| 20:54.52 | Saeris | nope |
| 20:55.03 | Ahli | =/ reported that in my huge 1.5 beta problem list |
| 20:55.06 | Saeris | doesn't work up/down ramps at all |
| 20:56.08 | Saeris | also dustin, i've sent them a detailed request for a tool like that before |
| 20:56.10 | Cheekything | so any of you clever people know how to resize an actor more than once? it seems when I apply a second morph it ignores it :( |
| 20:56.45 | Saeris | basically to plot down waypoints and calculate the shortest ground/cliff-jumping/air paths between each point |
| 20:56.58 | Dustin|Work | Saeris, if you still have the detailed write up, post it on Deletarius's thread for editor improvements |
| 20:57.07 | Saeris | he has it |
| 20:57.17 | Dustin|Work | Good, we just need to poke him alot |
| 20:57.57 | Saeris | well, more requests for it will probably help show how much we want it |
| 20:58.10 | Cheekything | linky |
| 20:58.20 | ckSynergy | whats this about pathing costs? |
| 20:58.59 | Saeris | cksynergy basically it'd be nice to have a tool that calculates them for us |
| 20:59.12 | DeadZergling | lol Dustin, it worked for star wars (about your earlier post starting at a sequel) |
| 20:59.16 | Saeris | the problem though |
| 20:59.26 | Saeris | is it's not likely to get implemented anytime soon |
| 20:59.28 | ckSynergy | in the editor? |
| 20:59.31 | ckSynergy | or in game |
| 20:59.40 | Saeris | just because you would need to get the pathing engine to work in the editor |
| 20:59.52 | Saeris | which is a huge rewrite of the code, i'd imagine |
| 21:00.09 | ckSynergy | I fail to see why youd need to get the pathing cost in the editor... |
| 21:00.18 | ckSynergy | distance between points, sure |
| 21:00.32 | Saeris | that's what we mean |
| 21:00.44 | Saeris | or rather i mean |
| 21:00.50 | ckSynergy | theres a tool for measuring distance |
| 21:01.05 | Saeris | and it doesn't do what i'd like it to do |
| 21:01.14 | ckSynergy | what do you want it to do? |
| 21:01.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | hmm |
| 21:01.33 | Saeris | i want to plot down 2 points that constantly update as i make changes to the terrain (ie: pathing) |
| 21:01.45 | Ahli | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.00 | ckSynergy | Saeris: that sounds incredibly laggy |
| 21:02.06 | ckSynergy | not to mention pointless |
| 21:02.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's not pointless |
| 21:02.18 | Saeris | so that i can establish a set of numbers based on standard melee maps and use those as distance targets for making new melee maps |
| 21:02.25 | ckSynergy | well, to me it sounds that way. personal opinion :) |
| 21:02.29 | Saeris | it's actually really useful for that purpose |
| 21:02.40 | ckSynergy | ahhhhh |
| 21:02.45 | ckSynergy | ok, now see, that makes sense |
| 21:02.46 | Ahli | Blizz-Deletarius: I would like to hook up a frame I created within the default UI with the UI editor |
| 21:02.56 | ckSynergy | I couldnt think of a reason why to get pathing cost between points |
| 21:03.12 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok |
| 21:03.16 | ckSynergy | Ahli |
| 21:03.24 | ckSynergy | your problem is you included the GameUI part |
| 21:03.26 | Ahli | but... well... doesn't work is a bad description... but somehow fitting ;D |
| 21:03.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | yep |
| 21:03.33 | Ahli | ok ;D |
| 21:03.33 | Blizz-Deletarius | was just gonna say that |
| 21:03.34 | ckSynergy | UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/InfoPanel/UnitPanel |
| 21:03.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | GameUI is redundant |
| 21:04.24 | ckSynergy | wonders if blizzard offers any "work from home" jobs lol |
| 21:04.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | nope |
| 21:04.31 | Blizz-Deletarius | ;) |
| 21:04.39 | Taintedwisp | BAh, damn dumbass WoW players... |
| 21:04.40 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:04.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | why wouldn't you want to work at the campus anyway? |
| 21:05.02 | ckSynergy | I dont know. I picture cubicles and stuff |
| 21:05.04 | Blizz-Deletarius | woah woah woah, I just played wow during my lunch break |
| 21:05.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | nope |
| 21:05.30 | DeadZergling | driving from one computer desk to another seems silly to some people, perhaps? |
| 21:05.32 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 21:05.33 | ckSynergy | also, my dad is disabled and I cant be moving him several states just for a job |
| 21:05.39 | DeadZergling | I'd work from home if I could, lol. |
| 21:05.43 | G0A | Lol Zolden, your map is rocketing in popularity:D |
| 21:06.01 | Taintedwisp | haha Deletarius, According to Alliance WoW players, There was no warcraft before WoW, to the point they will cuss at you and .gkick you for it... |
| 21:06.02 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:06.36 | Ahli | wc3 alpha was more like wow than wc3 release :o |
| 21:06.44 | ckSynergy | Also, I get bored easily, and dont like schedules. When I pick up a project I like, im on it near 24/7 till its done. Jobs like to do this "no overtime, work 8 hours go home" thing |
| 21:07.10 | ckSynergy | Erm I should say companies, not jobs lol |
| 21:07.22 | Saeris | lol |
| 21:07.24 | DeadZergling | depends how close to a release you are ck :) |
| 21:07.35 | Zolden | G0A: it's because I renamed it, and it become a new map instead of rewriting the old one |
| 21:07.38 | ckSynergy | ? |
| 21:07.40 | DeadZergling | they mind OT less and less depending what cycle you in. |
| 21:07.40 | ckSynergy | for my mod? |
| 21:07.44 | Ahli | or like 0.5/7 because they can't control it |
| 21:07.48 | Saeris | ck, overtime is pretty common in the industry |
| 21:07.49 | ckSynergy | I released alpha over the weekend |
| 21:08.03 | ckSynergy | took it down due to bugs, but its really close |
| 21:08.09 | ckSynergy | would go faster if I had a better computer |
| 21:08.15 | ckSynergy | and a working editor lol |
| 21:08.19 | ckSynergy | :hint hint: |
| 21:08.22 | DeadZergling | whole point of an alpha though, to find those bugs |
| 21:08.36 | ckSynergy | no, these were pretty serious bugs |
| 21:08.36 | Cheekything | lol |
| 21:08.45 | ckSynergy | I laughed though. I had a revelation last night |
| 21:09.03 | DeadZergling | aye, I saw some pretty serious ones my first alpha too. |
| 21:09.15 | ckSynergy | Blizz made a comment in a All-Stars video that they added a special "death effect" because they wanted players to feel like they accomplished something by killing a hero |
| 21:09.17 | DeadZergling | Mysteriously dissapearing items, and desyncing issues with more than 2 players. |
| 21:09.18 | ckSynergy | thats a load of bull |
| 21:09.26 | Blizz-Deletarius | is it? |
| 21:09.36 | ckSynergy | Sorry, in a sense, yes |
| 21:09.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | how so? |
| 21:10.10 | ckSynergy | If my guesses are right, you use the valerian hero death prevention on your heros, which keeps the hero from dying, thus no death effect. So you need SOME kind of indicator the hero died |
| 21:10.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh, you're talking about wc3 |
| 21:10.35 | DeadZergling | I do something like that ck |
| 21:10.38 | ckSynergy | talking about sc2 |
| 21:10.57 | DeadZergling | use a damage response effect to track which hero died, which unit killed it. |
| 21:11.03 | ckSynergy | yup |
| 21:11.14 | Blizz-Deletarius | if hero dies, zoom camera in |
| 21:11.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | wait 2 seconds |
| 21:11.23 | Blizz-Deletarius | zoom camera out |
| 21:11.23 | DeadZergling | fail to see how it is a load of bull. |
| 21:11.33 | ckSynergy | sorry, I should rephrase |
| 21:11.41 | ckSynergy | They fluffed the media |
| 21:12.04 | ckSynergy | Its not special for the players. its special because watching a hero just disappear is kinda lame |
| 21:12.07 | Ahli | change player's lighting to gray, make unit respawn, change lighting back to normal |
| 21:12.27 | Ahli | respawn a la d3 |
| 21:12.31 | ckSynergy | I dunno, maybe all this politics stuff is getting to me |
| 21:12.48 | ckSynergy | Cant wait till obama and romney are done with their little twists |
| 21:12.48 | DeadZergling | I don't get why you calling it bs is all. |
| 21:12.53 | DeadZergling | Overhyped a bit, maybe. |
| 21:12.57 | ckSynergy | thats the word |
| 21:12.58 | ckSynergy | overhyped |
| 21:13.16 | DeadZergling | but then again, played many shooters ck? |
| 21:13.25 | ckSynergy | Dammit Jim, Im a programmer not a english major. |
| 21:13.31 | ckSynergy | FPS? |
| 21:13.32 | DeadZergling | the death messages and models |
| 21:13.37 | DeadZergling | are like the best part |
| 21:13.53 | ckSynergy | I suppose, yea |
| 21:13.57 | DeadZergling | or even third person |
| 21:13.57 | DeadZergling | aye, fps |
| 21:14.03 | ckSynergy | it does give the player a sense of accomplishment |
| 21:14.07 | DeadZergling | so really, that can be an exciting feature. |
| 21:14.08 | ckSynergy | *shrugs* |
| 21:14.19 | DeadZergling | I've wasted countless hours coming up w/ 300 + unique death messages for my project |
| 21:14.38 | DeadZergling | to add a little more content to it |
| 21:14.44 | DeadZergling | X killed Y just gets so lame after awhile. |
| 21:15.04 | Cheekything | do they change depending on how they died? |
| 21:15.17 | DeadZergling | aye, depends what unit killed them. |
| 21:15.25 | DeadZergling | or in pvp, what class type killed what class type |
| 21:15.49 | DeadZergling | at least 5 random messages per situation |
| 21:16.03 | DeadZergling | I got a little more creative w/ the bosses, lol |
| 21:16.08 | ckSynergy | hmmm i might need to add that lol |
| 21:16.24 | DeadZergling | is just text, but helps add to the enjoyment, I got a lot of good feedback on elements 6 about the death messages. |
| 21:16.30 | DeadZergling | so continuing that |
| 21:16.54 | DeadZergling | lol, we have a convert! |
| 21:16.55 | DeadZergling | welcome to the club ck! |
| 21:17.11 | ckSynergy | lol yea well I am reprogramming a dota style game so... :P |
| 21:17.19 | ckSynergy | or rebuilding I guess |
| 21:17.49 | Cheekything | Also what would be awesome is the ability to download assets from a blizzard library for units, models, effects, textures, sound etc etc |
| 21:17.59 | ckSynergy | Yea, thats right. Watch out all-stars. I'm a one man team bent on bringing you down! muahaha |
| 21:18.04 | ckSynergy | in popularity |
| 21:18.05 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 21:18.09 | *** part/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@81-0-92-160.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 21:18.18 | DeadZergling | doesn't matter really |
| 21:18.24 | DeadZergling | they can just paste it at top perma |
| 21:18.24 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 21:18.28 | Cheekything | lol |
| 21:18.32 | ckSynergy | that doesnt really work lol |
| 21:18.49 | ckSynergy | People will just ignore/skip it till they find the game they want to play |
| 21:19.07 | ckSynergy | Like L2D, or Aiur Chef |
| 21:19.12 | ckSynergy | or Starjeweled |
| 21:19.15 | DeadZergling | Yes, I know the first thing I do when I see big shiny icons to play. |
| 21:19.17 | ckSynergy | good games in their own right |
| 21:19.22 | DeadZergling | is look for a way around them. |
| 21:19.28 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 21:19.31 | Ahli | I've a frame in the UI whose size I modify... that frame contains an image of the life bar... Why can I see the image fully after resizing the frame? |
| 21:19.48 | DeadZergling | aiur chef I don't have a problem with |
| 21:19.49 | ckSynergy | So you're telling me you still play L2D? |
| 21:19.58 | ckSynergy | on a consistent basis? |
| 21:20.04 | Dustin|Work | It was ok till I got my Stank portrait |
| 21:20.07 | Dustin|Work | then it was boring |
| 21:20.12 | ckSynergy | Its big and shiny and still on the billboard if I recall |
| 21:20.13 | Cheekything | Achievements :P |
| 21:20.14 | DeadZergling | is goofy as hell, but is fun for that reason |
| 21:20.19 | ckSynergy | EXACTLYYYYY |
| 21:20.27 | Cheekything | Blizzard maps should be showcases |
| 21:20.28 | DeadZergling | granted, I only played aiurchef once to get my portrait :) |
| 21:20.32 | Cheekything | not features |
| 21:20.38 | ckSynergy | yea |
| 21:20.47 | ckSynergy | I wish map makers could add portraits for players |
| 21:20.48 | Cheekything | they work better like that as they get updated less |
| 21:20.58 | DeadZergling | be nice |
| 21:21.00 | Cheekything | that would be dangerous |
| 21:21.07 | Dustin|Work | PENIS PORTRAIT |
| 21:21.12 | ckSynergy | Obviously it would have to be moderated |
| 21:21.13 | Cheekything | it's bad enough they added achievements in :/ |
| 21:21.24 | Cheekything | Achievements ruin gameplay |
| 21:21.30 | Dustin|Work | Nah |
| 21:21.30 | ckSynergy | how so? |
| 21:21.33 | DeadZergling | oh please, it wouldn't be that bad to make portraits fit certain criteria. |
| 21:21.53 | Cheekything | well unless you have them like "beat game on hard" |
| 21:22.00 | DeadZergling | just force map makers to go through a process |
| 21:22.01 | Cheekything | you have people doing stupid stuff |
| 21:22.04 | Dustin|Work | You moderate the thousands of penis portraits being uploaded a day and say that again :P |
| 21:22.04 | ckSynergy | Im thinking about adding achievements to my game, if only for one "achievement" |
| 21:22.05 | DeadZergling | to get a portrait approved. |
| 21:22.23 | ckSynergy | Baneling Hero: "Oh No Explode" - Play an entire game without dying |
| 21:22.32 | Dustin|Work | My game will have 1 Achievement, and to get that achievement you have to earn an achievement |
| 21:22.35 | DeadZergling | achievements seem silly, portrait at least you can use |
| 21:22.36 | Saeris | aught to do like HoN does for portraits |
| 21:22.37 | Cheekything | that works |
| 21:22.42 | Dustin|Work | People will play the map till they die trying for it |
| 21:22.46 | Saeris | you have to pay to unpload your own |
| 21:22.47 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 21:23.18 | Saeris | people are a lot less inclined to upload shit that'll get them banned if they have to pay for it |
| 21:23.21 | Cheekything | … I think the internet has proven money does not matter |
| 21:23.26 | Cheekything | it just helps a bit |
| 21:23.33 | Cheekything | in reguards to penis pictures |
| 21:24.06 | Saeris | that and HoN only allows 1 portrait upload per account so, you can't even pay to upload again on the same account |
| 21:24.16 | Saeris | but either way |
| 21:24.21 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmm, you seem awfully well informed about penis pictures, cheeky |
| 21:24.22 | Saeris | custom portraits aren't really needed |
| 21:24.24 | Dustin|Work | I just picked the weed leaf on HoN and called it good |
| 21:24.40 | Saeris | maybe for esports teams as clan tags? but not as player portraits |
| 21:24.50 | Cheekything | it's always the penis :/ |
| 21:24.54 | Cheekything | why is never boobs |
| 21:24.56 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 21:25.11 | Dustin|Work | Cause boobs are hard to fit into small areas |
| 21:25.28 | Cheekything | lol |
| 21:25.37 | DeadZergling | i think yall got it wrong |
| 21:25.43 | DeadZergling | we need more horse pictures. |
| 21:25.58 | Cheekything | only if it's wearing a sailors hat |
| 21:25.59 | Dustin|Work | Horse penis pictures? no thank you. |
| 21:26.12 | DeadZergling | I said horse dustin. |
| 21:26.17 | DeadZergling | Your mind decided to go there :P |
| 21:26.23 | Dustin|Work | hehe |
| 21:27.24 | Cheekything | so quick question but is there any non code way of using the unit's current armour value to adjust it's resistance |
| 21:28.00 | DeadZergling | could certainly get the unit's armor level, but what do you mean by resistance? |
| 21:28.01 | ckSynergy | ? |
| 21:28.28 | Cheekything | there is a bit on buff that allows you to reduce damage by x percent |
| 21:28.41 | DeadZergling | ah yes |
| 21:28.58 | DeadZergling | just grab the unit armor level, use some algorithm in triggers, adjust a buffs damage reduction percent |
| 21:29.10 | Cheekything | pretty much |
| 21:29.16 | ckSynergy | ok, I have a question |
| 21:29.17 | DeadZergling | youll probably want to use spell damage for everything though. |
| 21:29.27 | Cheekything | yer I'm trying to avoid that :/ |
| 21:29.35 | DeadZergling | As melee/ranged will still get the armor amount taken off |
| 21:29.36 | ckSynergy | For Create Unit Effects, What does the "Effect: Select Unit+" field do? |
| 21:29.37 | Cheekything | as I"m trying to make a mod |
| 21:29.43 | Cheekything | so the less triggers the better |
| 21:29.49 | Cheekything | as mods dont like triggers |
| 21:30.33 | Cheekything | I really don't make things easy for myself >.< |
| 21:30.34 | DeadZergling | well, you could possibly link armor level upgrades (the little n umber that you see) to behavior modification |
| 21:30.35 | ckSynergy | triggers are fine in mods |
| 21:30.35 | DeadZergling | and just leave the life armor at 0 |
| 21:30.59 | ckSynergy | cheeky: tell me what fields are you trying to link |
| 21:31.01 | DeadZergling | that could avoid triggers all together. |
| 21:31.02 | ckSynergy | specifically |
| 21:31.09 | DeadZergling | I'd still prefer to use triggers personally though, more control. |
| 21:31.11 | Cheekything | unit armour amount (current) |
| 21:31.25 | ckSynergy | canada eh'? |
| 21:31.32 | Cheekything | what |
| 21:31.33 | Cheekything | uk |
| 21:31.35 | ckSynergy | nvm |
| 21:31.38 | ckSynergy | go on |
| 21:31.50 | Cheekything | sorry was not at my pc opening editor now |
| 21:32.07 | Cheekything | ok |
| 21:32.12 | Cheekything | Stats: Life armour |
| 21:32.13 | Cheekything | under unit |
| 21:32.20 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 21:32.23 | ckSynergy | and? |
| 21:32.47 | Cheekything | finding it |
| 21:33.23 | ckSynergy | damage: attribute? |
| 21:33.30 | Cheekything | Combat damage response |
| 21:33.47 | ckSynergy | ok, and what is it you want to do there? |
| 21:34.13 | Cheekything | link it to the value of the % damage reduction |
| 21:34.34 | Cheekything | ah modify raction |
| 21:34.43 | Cheekything | fraction* |
| 21:34.48 | ckSynergy | :P |
| 21:34.57 | ckSynergy | find what you were looking for? |
| 21:35.08 | Cheekything | so if armour goes up so does the fraction |
| 21:35.28 | Saeris | zZz i'm so lazy today |
| 21:35.32 | Cheekything | nope |
| 21:35.33 | ckSynergy | Ok |
| 21:35.43 | ckSynergy | so you want armor to give a % damage reduction? |
| 21:36.01 | Cheekything | yes but based on how much armour exists |
| 21:36.09 | Cheekything | so purely as an example |
| 21:36.17 | Cheekything | 10 armour ignore 10% |
| 21:36.22 | Cheekything | 15 will ignore 15% |
| 21:36.30 | ckSynergy | oh psh. lol |
| 21:36.38 | Cheekything | however if I give a default 10 armour unit 10 more armour it ingore 20% |
| 21:36.45 | Cheekything | ignores* |
| 21:36.55 | ckSynergy | ok? |
| 21:36.57 | Cheekything | that part has been my issue |
| 21:37.14 | Cheekything | if I adjust the armour it just goes nope and hates on me |
| 21:37.17 | ckSynergy | ok I think i see what youre doing |
| 21:37.20 | Dustin|Work | I dont know if the current sc2 damage can handle that, isnt all damage integer and not floating point |
| 21:37.36 | ckSynergy | Dustin: floating point |
| 21:37.53 | Dustin|Work | So you can do 1.5 damage to a unit |
| 21:37.54 | ckSynergy | to 4 decimals I think |
| 21:38.10 | Dustin|Work | I haven't even run into that yet |
| 21:38.13 | ckSynergy | I think I saw a setting for the rounding in the game settings in the gameplay data tab |
| 21:38.15 | Cheekything | the deafault damage in sc2 is 0.5 |
| 21:38.30 | Cheekything | so even if you have 10 armour and 1 attack you are still doing something :P |
| 21:38.31 | Dustin|Work | So it's going to round |
| 21:38.36 | Dustin|Work | hmmm |
| 21:39.01 | Dustin|Work | Someone should make a more versitile damage/armor library |
| 21:39.08 | ckSynergy | Cheeky: I think you're going to want to use behavior buffs and attributes |
| 21:39.19 | ckSynergy | you cant tie it specifically to armor |
| 21:39.26 | Cheekything | yer I know :) |
| 21:39.28 | Cheekything | :(* |
| 21:39.36 | ckSynergy | at least, not the number, not if you want to avoid triggers |
| 21:40.11 | Cheekything | I mean I know I can do it another way |
| 21:40.16 | DeadZergling | he could roughly tie the display number to it |
| 21:40.17 | Cheekything | but I want to keep it simple |
| 21:40.19 | DeadZergling | using upgrades |
| 21:40.35 | ckSynergy | blah upgrades |
| 21:40.37 | DeadZergling | but then he would be stuck w/ integer % reduction values, 0 to 100 |
| 21:40.54 | Cheekything | hang on lemme fidn the example thing |
| 21:41.06 | DeadZergling | I know you don't want to use triggers cheeky |
| 21:41.09 | DeadZergling | but I really do think they are your best option |
| 21:41.22 | ckSynergy | I'd modify the game UI, move the first stat for the position of the armor label, apply the unit's icon to it, hide the default armor UI, and then use my faux "Armor" stat as a replacement |
| 21:41.23 | Cheekything | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/29186-warcraft-3-armor-system/#p7 |
| 21:41.40 | Cheekything | I think thats what I might have to do ck |
| 21:42.06 | Cheekything | is just a shame is all |
| 21:42.29 | Cheekything | they could of made it so simple |
| 21:42.30 | Cheekything | :/ |
| 21:43.05 | DeadZergling | if you haven't figured it out yet cheeky... |
| 21:43.06 | ckSynergy | well, you could always try a reverse heal |
| 21:43.09 | DeadZergling | SImplicity was not the idea behind the SC2 editor |
| 21:43.11 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 21:43.14 | Cheekything | lol |
| 21:43.23 | Dustin|Work | Healing is what makes me sad |
| 21:43.36 | Dustin|Work | I couldnt figure out a way to straight just heal a certain amount in data |
| 21:43.46 | ckSynergy | modify unit |
| 21:43.49 | Dustin|Work | I had to use stacking behaviors that regened health basedo n stakc |
| 21:43.52 | DeadZergling | modify unit? |
| 21:43.58 | ckSynergy | yup modify unit to heal |
| 21:44.09 | ckSynergy | unless you want to use the healer effect |
| 21:44.17 | Cheekything | there was a heal thing in the campaign |
| 21:44.21 | ckSynergy | but that is based on repair times on the unit's stats i think |
| 21:44.21 | Dustin|Work | Healer effect sucks |
| 21:44.21 | Cheekything | just steal t |
| 21:44.23 | DeadZergling | yea i know, I been using that in combo with damage effects/behaviors |
| 21:44.31 | DeadZergling | to make lifetap type abilities lately. |
| 21:44.45 | ckSynergy | damage effect leech not working for ya? |
| 21:44.56 | Dustin|Work | Also |
| 21:44.57 | DeadZergling | isn't meant to be a melee/ranged leech |
| 21:44.58 | Dustin|Work | Thorns |
| 21:45.00 | DeadZergling | is meant to be a lifetap spell |
| 21:45.04 | ckSynergy | Cheekything can I pm you |
| 21:45.05 | Dustin|Work | I had to use triggers to get working |
| 21:45.06 | Cheekything | oh throns |
| 21:45.09 | Cheekything | and sure |
| 21:45.15 | ckSynergy | Thorns was so easy |
| 21:45.21 | Cheekything | damage response is somewhere |
| 21:45.23 | ckSynergy | no triggers |
| 21:45.30 | ckSynergy | Just use a damage response of 1 |
| 21:46.15 | Dustin|Work | I think it was just confusing with how they had it setup |
| 21:46.20 | Dustin|Work | Ill cehck it out tonight |
| 21:46.31 | ckSynergy | check what out? |
| 21:46.42 | Dustin|Work | damage response |
| 21:46.47 | ckSynergy | ah yea |
| 21:47.15 | ckSynergy | response of 1, and apply an effect with damage 1 |
| 21:47.16 | DeadZergling | but yea ck, what I did for a basic lifetap was ability: targeted effect, does a search in a small radius, applies a behavior to the affected unit, that behavior has a duration 0.1, start effect of lifetap set, the set calls modify unit to heal the caster, damage to take life from the unit |
| 21:47.56 | DeadZergling | suppose coulda just straight used spell damage w/ leech, but oh well, this form works better in some cases. |
| 21:52.08 | DeadZergling | and all goes silent! |
| 21:58.43 | Dustin|Work | Time to head home |
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| 22:06.30 | DeadZergling | lol, well that was surprising, type in duck hunt, get my little pony instead. |
| 22:09.25 | DeadZergling | Blizz-Deletarius, you still there? |
| 22:09.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | hi |
| 22:09.54 | DeadZergling | hi, was asking about mouse position yesterday |
| 22:10.11 | DeadZergling | Tried what you said, it gave me errors since it wasn't connected to a Mouse Moved event. |
| 22:10.26 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh |
| 22:10.45 | Blizz-Deletarius | what were you trying to do again? |
| 22:11.08 | DeadZergling | connect a key pressed event to cast wherever the mouse cursor was at the time on the map |
| 22:11.27 | DeadZergling | without having to constantly update global mouse pos variables w/ a mouse moved event |
| 22:11.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | sec |
| 22:15.16 | Ahli | Deletarius, do you know how they make the Allstars life bars? I can't see anything about a life bar in the UI files of hots |
| 22:15.43 | Ahli | and I fear that triggered life bars have a to great delay to be efficient enough |
| 22:16.30 | Ahli | or do they only display the own heroes life bar? always?... :S |
| 22:17.08 | DeadZergling | guess needless to ask what you working on still ahli, lol |
| 22:19.30 | Ahli | currently I'm trying to make sure that the UI won't be the simple copy paste of a dota or lol into a game engine where you can select other units to see their HP value immediately, but not in a bar on the player's HUD. |
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| 22:20.47 | Tinkerballa | I'm so bored :( |
| 22:22.21 | DeadZergling | been that way every time I have seen you in here tinker |
| 22:22.28 | Tinkerballa | so |
| 22:24.54 | DeadZergling | be nice if you were sometimes I don't know, excited about something you were working on. |
| 22:25.59 | Tinkerballa | i don't have a project to work on due to a problem with it |
| 22:26.24 | Ahli | I'm just hoping they add frames that everyone can use that are updated with local data just like the life value of a selected unit. |
| 22:26.26 | Tinkerballa | which will never be fixed |
| 22:26.33 | DeadZergling | must be other parts of it you can work on/improve other than your one problem... |
| 22:28.07 | Tinkerballa | nope |
| 22:28.27 | DeadZergling | isn't your whole problem wanting a custom model or something? |
| 22:29.56 | Tolkfan | anyone watching the obsidian kickstarter party? :D |
| 22:30.33 | Tinkerballa | i need custom animations to test a system I was working on. without the animations I can't finish the system meaning I can't ever finish the map |
| 22:31.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | Zergling |
| 22:31.32 | Ahli | at least I know that we can move the wireframe picture and the unit description tooltip apart from each other. that's great :) |
| 22:31.37 | Tolkfan | http://sv.twitch.tv/obsidian someone asked a kid what's his favorite SC2 custom map, he said "Battlecraft" |
| 22:31.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | I think I may have a hacky way of doing it |
| 22:31.40 | Saeris | tinker sitting in here complaining every few hours isn't going to get someone to do your work for you. you're only wasting your time and annoying people by complaining and expecting to find someone to give you what you need. my only suggestion is either figure out how to get what you need on your own or start something new. |
| 22:32.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | I'm running it past someone for verification though first |
| 22:32.41 | DeadZergling | Sure, was hoping you might have a way of doing it :) |
| 22:34.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's super hackey |
| 22:34.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | but |
| 22:34.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | it might work |
| 22:34.38 | DeadZergling | might work beats a brick wall |
| 22:34.45 | Blizz-Deletarius | the theory is this |
| 22:35.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | the main problem is that by using mouse moved it generates a TON of traffic |
| 22:35.32 | Blizz-Deletarius | right? |
| 22:35.55 | DeadZergling | correct, and to reduce the issue I set it up to only update every 0.1 seconds |
| 22:36.06 | DeadZergling | but that is still too much traffic, and is less accurate than I would like |
| 22:36.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok |
| 22:36.15 | Tinkerballa | Saeris, can't continue with these animations done |
| 22:36.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | so my idea/theory is the following |
| 22:36.23 | Tinkerballa | no way around it |
| 22:36.31 | Blizz-Deletarius | Tinker = Iiris? |
| 22:38.05 | Ahli | I don't think that mouse moved event is even updated every 0.1 seconds on bnet. |
| 22:38.51 | Tinkerballa | but god forbid if anyone took a couple hours out of there day to help someone out with custom animations |
| 22:39.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | Tinker, are you Iiris? |
| 22:40.23 | DeadZergling | whoever they are, I suddenly feel the urge to play a tiny violin... |
| 22:40.33 | Ahli | if your hacky way consists out of activating a trigger with that event, you need to keep in mind that you have a high reaction time between key pressed and key pressed event starting on your computer... |
| 22:40.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | it doesn't work |
| 22:40.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | I just tried it |
| 22:41.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | Trigger Error in 'gt_MouseTrigger_Func': Event response function 'EventMouseMovedPosYWorld' has no matching event |
| 22:41.29 | Ahli | you only receive the data that the event carries |
| 22:41.59 | DeadZergling | yea, well can't blame a guy for trying, lol. |
| 22:42.13 | DeadZergling | Thanks for looking into it at least Deletarius. |
| 22:42.38 | Blizz-Deletarius | "the only way to avoid the mouse move event is to create a targetted dummy effect and then watch for that effect to fire in triggers and then do custom trigger stuff " |
| 22:42.38 | Ahli | also, if you click on a dialog button, you have no idea where the mouse is on that button. |
| 22:42.40 | DeadZergling | Just so surprising it can't be done, the game obviously knows where my mouse cursor is at all times. |
| 22:42.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | I wasn't using a dialog |
| 22:42.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | I was using a cheat code |
| 22:43.04 | Ahli | zergling, the mouse move event isn't that bad for the performance |
| 22:43.06 | Blizz-Deletarius | which ran another trigger |
| 22:43.23 | DeadZergling | yea, but it has an accuracy problem for me |
| 22:43.24 | Ahli | it is limited to update periodically on bnet |
| 22:43.29 | DeadZergling | if you move your mouse quickly then fire |
| 22:43.35 | Blizz-Deletarius | zergling |
| 22:43.36 | DeadZergling | it is completely off a lot of the time |
| 22:43.39 | DeadZergling | yes? |
| 22:43.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's trying to get around the mouse latency issue I presume? |
| 22:44.05 | DeadZergling | that is one issue, the other is the issue of accuracy. |
| 22:44.13 | Ahli | basically he wants that the mouse move event sync up with the game frames |
| 22:44.20 | DeadZergling | It doesn't update frequently enough, so will sometimes misfire when you move the mouse very quickly |
| 22:44.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | good luck |
| 22:44.37 | Blizz-Deletarius | well |
| 22:44.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | hmm |
| 22:44.46 | Blizz-Deletarius | sec |
| 22:45.19 | Ahli | you could try to calculate a theoretical position out of the tracked data like the last 2 points where the mouse was |
| 22:45.26 | DeadZergling | I don't need it updated all the time, just on the keypress event |
| 22:45.35 | DeadZergling | that is the only time I care about the current mouse coords |
| 22:45.45 | Blizz-Deletarius | I might have another idea |
| 22:47.30 | DeadZergling | Well I'm all ears, err eyes... |
| 22:47.57 | Cheekything | fingers |
| 22:48.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | nm |
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| 22:49.18 | Triceron | pew pew |
| 22:49.26 | Blizz-Deletarius | yea can't figure it out |
| 22:49.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | sorry :| |
| 22:49.33 | Zolden | I'm all penises |
| 22:49.45 | Cheekything | way to lower the tone |
| 22:49.56 | Ahli | user clicks on key ----0.125 seconds -----> server -------0.125 seconds -----> user's computer -> event -> trigger -> activate other trigger that gets the info you want ---game frame 0.0625 seconds ------> user's input captured ---0.125 seconds----> server ---0.125 seconds ----> user's computer executes trigger with that second event |
| 22:50.21 | Cheekything | no way to do it locally? |
| 22:50.30 | Ahli | I wish there were locally triggers only |
| 22:50.39 | Ahli | then I wouldn't have life bar probs, etc... |
| 22:50.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | sure cheeky |
| 22:50.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | have a single player map |
| 22:50.47 | Cheekything | lol |
| 22:50.53 | Ahli | also, don't play it on bnet |
| 22:51.05 | Cheekything | I've been kicked off my own map while testing before :P |
| 22:51.18 | Ahli | because singleplayer on bnet is as slow as multiplayer |
| 22:51.25 | Tinkerballa | :( |
| 22:51.43 | Triceron | go away Tinker |
| 22:52.25 | Zolden | Blizz-Deletarius: are you the guy to report trigger gui bugs? |
| 22:52.29 | DeadZergling | Thanks for trying Deletarius, just surprises me it can't be doen ona keypress, but can on a mouse click. |
| 22:52.56 | Tinkerballa | slaps Triceron |
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| 22:53.17 | Ahli | key has no mouse position :( |
| 22:53.41 | Ahli | they could start to transfer all user data coordinates with every event ;D |
| 22:54.16 | Saeris | hopefully key and mouse clicked events get improved as development continues on allstars, but i doubt that will propogate down to us anytime soon |
| 22:54.37 | Tinkerballa | :( |
| 22:54.38 | DeadZergling | yea, I'll probably convert what I got to a mouse click event instead, is much more accurate... was hoping I could do it this way, but seems mouse click is the way to go |
| 22:54.50 | Tinkerballa | must be nice to have a project to work on |
| 22:55.02 | Triceron | I've got a project for you to work on |
| 22:55.07 | Triceron | it's called gtfo of here |
| 22:55.13 | Ahli | but that's even more traffic... sadly I don't know much about networking, so I don't know how much data that would be, if it is all compressed and how much traffic is acceptable atm... |
| 22:55.35 | Saeris | yea, trying to work outside of the control constraints the game has just isn't worth it =/ |
| 22:55.55 | Ahli | I made a diablo map anyway |
| 22:56.01 | Ahli | didn't stop me... |
| 22:56.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | Zolden, please post those in the bugs forum |
| 22:57.30 | Zolden | Ahli, do you have access to us battle.net forum? bugs forum is there, right? |
| 22:57.43 | Ahli | no I haven't access myself |
| 22:57.52 | Triceron | wait what's wrong with key and mouse clicks? input lag? |
| 22:58.06 | Saeris | mouse location is too laggy |
| 22:58.11 | Triceron | hrm |
| 22:58.15 | Zolden | guys, anyone has accesss to us battle.net? |
| 22:58.17 | Tinkerballa | :( |
| 22:58.54 | Saeris | huzzah, pidgin lets me mute him |
| 22:58.56 | Tinkerballa | I do, but since people won't help me I'm not gonna help |
| 22:59.04 | Cheekything | however seperated the forums by server needs a kick :| |
| 22:59.27 | Zolden | lol |
| 22:59.35 | Cheekything | "oh so you want to post in the US forums, buy a US copy for SC2" |
| 23:00.01 | Cheekything | whoever* |
| 23:00.08 | Tinkerballa | <<<<US |
| 23:00.09 | Zolden | right, blizz would like to know what bug i've found |
| 23:00.37 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 23:00.54 | ckSynergy | so sick of the server splitting |
| 23:01.04 | ckSynergy | whoever came up with that idea needs a good swift kick in the nads |
| 23:01.40 | Tinkerballa | really sucks not having a map project to work on :( |
| 23:01.43 | Ahli | if you click like a mad person around, you can be update faster than the mouse move event does... so always click and use that for mouse position, too. (you need to throw the first mouse move event after mouse clicked anyway because the value you will receive is super old) |
| 23:01.46 | ckSynergy | not talking about blizzard here, talking about in general. seems to be common trend since like, 2005 |
| 23:02.02 | Ahli | *-be |
| 23:03.41 | DeadZergling | yea, I intend to have 8 diff triggers for mouse click events too, is a special casting mode so to speak |
| 23:03.49 | DeadZergling | so no need to have extra lag from users not even using the feature |
| 23:06.55 | Ahli | we can move the shield image on the wireframe away from the unit's wireframe :D |
| 23:07.45 | ckSynergy | uhhh yea? |
| 23:11.24 | Ahli | hmmm... seems like there a few changes to the layout in hots... |
| 23:13.13 | Ahli | it's possible to move the panel with the wireframes when multiple units are selected properly |
| 23:13.40 | Ahli | that's one thing that isn't done properly in wol atm |
| 23:18.11 | Ahli | Blizz-Deletarius: it's possible in HotS to move single control group buttons around. |
| 23:18.41 | Ahli | it has templates for each button |
| 23:20.02 | Tinkerballa | :( |
| 23:20.18 | Tinkerballa | I wish I had a project to work on |
| 23:20.26 | Ahli | ok, I can move the armor/weapon/shield icons around... wonderful |
| 23:20.48 | DeadZergling | I wish you had more than a victim's attitude |
| 23:22.13 | Tinkerballa | sad how people in modding communities don't help others |
| 23:22.31 | Triceron | we help each other |
| 23:22.38 | Triceron | we just don't do other people's work for them |
| 23:23.11 | Tinkerballa | i never asked anyone to do my work for me |
| 23:23.32 | Triceron | yet you want someone to make animations for you |
| 23:23.41 | Triceron | when we've told you how |
| 23:23.46 | Triceron | multiple times. |
| 23:25.30 | Tinkerballa | I'm not a damn modeler or animator |
| 23:25.47 | DeadZergling | no one is born one, they work at it |
| 23:25.52 | Tinkerballa | nor do I have the damn $4000 for the damn software |
| 23:26.47 | Triceron | we told you how to use FREE software |
| 23:27.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | I've specifically pointed you to a tutorial that shows you exactly how to do it |
| 23:27.18 | Blizz-Deletarius | by now |
| 23:27.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | you could have learned how to do it |
| 23:27.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | instead of waiting for someone to do it for you |
| 23:27.30 | Ahli | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4479839/Screenshot2012-10-17%2001_25_01.jpg hots UI editor is awesome ;D |
| 23:27.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | Ahli, yes, that was fixed the other day |
| 23:27.44 | ckSynergy | HOLY SNAP |
| 23:27.48 | Cheekything | lol |
| 23:27.48 | ckSynergy | its Iirdis |
| 23:27.57 | Ahli | is the life label position on their list, too? |
| 23:28.08 | ckSynergy | How did they get around the ban? |
| 23:28.10 | Ahli | I hope so. Its vertical position is the only limitation I saw atm |
| 23:28.14 | Blizz-Deletarius | should be, not sure |
| 23:30.12 | ckSynergy | Sixen! |
| 23:31.08 | ckSynergy | seriously, this channel could use an active mod |
| 23:31.30 | DeadZergling | oh, but then we'd miss special comments from Tinkerballa |
| 23:31.44 | Triceron | -_- |
| 23:31.52 | Triceron | that is so not even funny |
| 23:31.56 | Cheekything | I dont know if I"m tired ill or both but I can't seem to get this effect to apply the behavior :/ |
| 23:32.10 | Sixen | sup |
| 23:32.17 | ckSynergy | Seriously, Tinker is Iirdis right? |
| 23:32.22 | Sixen | I dunno? |
| 23:32.28 | Triceron | yes |
| 23:32.37 | ckSynergy | I mean, unless I'm mistaken, but the wording and attitude is near identical |
| 23:32.41 | DeadZergling | who is Iirdis supposed to be? |
| 23:32.50 | Triceron | razornok on the forums |
| 23:33.04 | Triceron | *razernok |
| 23:33.06 | ckSynergy | Some annoying little kid who kept coming in here, asking for an animator to do a job for him |
| 23:33.06 | Ahli | nobody made a random :( as the only text in a line before I think |
| 23:33.16 | ckSynergy | people tried to help him and he refused to be helped |
| 23:33.23 | ckSynergy | and now he's found a way around his ban |
| 23:34.05 | ckSynergy | WTB ban hammer |
| 23:34.25 | Tinkerballa | no one has ever helped me with my problem |
| 23:34.25 | *** kick/#sc2mapster [Tinkerballa!~Sixen@173-25-23-124.client.mchsi.com] by Sixen (Tinkerballa) |
| 23:34.31 | DeadZergling | I see, coulda made a pretty damn sweet model |
| 23:34.35 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tinkerballa (~chatzilla@99-73-217-161.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:34.36 | DeadZergling | amount of time he has wasted doing this |
| 23:34.40 | Tinkerballa | no one has ever helped me with my problem |
| 23:34.59 | ckSynergy | You refuse to be helped Iirdis |
| 23:35.06 | Blizz-Deletarius | what would "helping" you entail? |
| 23:35.22 | ckSynergy | applauds a good question |
| 23:35.33 | Ahli | looks up entail |
| 23:35.36 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 23:35.38 | Tinkerballa | only thing I require help with is 2 custom animations |
| 23:35.49 | ckSynergy | "combining a walk and attack animation" |
| 23:35.53 | ckSynergy | watch |
| 23:35.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | and by that, what is it about those 2 custom animations do you require help with? |
| 23:35.58 | ckSynergy | hes gonna say it |
| 23:36.01 | Sixen | lol |
| 23:36.25 | Sixen | Del, I haven't banned him yet because I'm curious, but... He's been saying "nobody helps me" for 2 years or so now :P |
| 23:36.29 | ckSynergy | shhhh ;) he has me on ignore |
| 23:36.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh I'm curious as well |
| 23:36.43 | Tinkerballa | i need to combine 2 existing animations on an existing unit into a single animation |
| 23:36.45 | ckSynergy | TWO YEARS!? |
| 23:36.47 | Sixen | Totally, that's why I left him alone ;) |
| 23:36.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok |
| 23:36.55 | Sixen | Synergy: Yeah man, since the WoL Beta |
| 23:36.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | so Tinkerballa |
| 23:37.03 | ckSynergy | BAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 23:37.08 | Tinkerballa | I can't afford the software nor have the skills for 3d art. |
| 23:37.16 | ckSynergy | well dude, why didnt you tell me he was the channel's pet troll |
| 23:37.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | what part of the combination process do you need help with? |
| 23:37.19 | ckSynergy | feeds the troll |
| 23:37.35 | Sixen | hehe. He went away for a while, but apparently he's back. |
| 23:37.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | is there anything that we can help explain to you so that you can better approach the problem and arrive at an adequate solution? |
| 23:37.57 | Cheekything | tinker maya is free for students fyi and there are many tutorials |
| 23:38.09 | ckSynergy | uh oh. Blizz-Deletarius is pulling out the big words. He means business. |
| 23:38.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | are there resources or documentation that we could provide links to that would aid you? |
| 23:38.33 | Tinkerballa | considering I don't have the skills and can't even afford the software required to do modelling and animations i need someone for such a task |
| 23:38.41 | Triceron | Blender is 100% free, and can do the animations you need |
| 23:38.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | Tinker, which of those two issues is the main problem? |
| 23:39.03 | Tinkerballa | I'm not a modeler or animator |
| 23:39.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | is it the expensive software or the lack of specific skills to accomplish the job |
| 23:39.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | calm down, I'm trying to diagnose your issue here :) |
| 23:39.39 | ckSynergy | dies laughing |
| 23:39.56 | ckSynergy | <3 Deletarius |
| 23:40.09 | Ahli | I'm to stupid for blender, too. :D but I already failed at the m3 plugin. couldn't load a model and blender's default UI was not made for my brain. ;S |
| 23:40.37 | Tinkerballa | its the lack of expensive software and the skills |
| 23:40.46 | DeadZergling | hang on, need to lower my desk, I can't facepalm hard enough on this high one. |
| 23:40.52 | Tinkerballa | we're talking about $4000 |
| 23:40.53 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok |
| 23:40.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | Tinkerballa |
| 23:40.58 | ckSynergy | LMAO |
| 23:41.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | what if I told you that I solved the expensive software issue for you? how would that make you feel? |
| 23:41.19 | Tinkerballa | nor do i have such skills for modeling or animation |
| 23:41.32 | ckSynergy | I think I ruptured an blood vessel in my eye laughing so hard |
| 23:41.32 | Blizz-Deletarius | just answer the questions :) |
| 23:42.19 | ckSynergy | You must be off the clock lol |
| 23:42.23 | Blizz-Deletarius | if I could show you completely, 100% free software that would allow you to animate a unit fit for starcraft 2's engine, would that take care of the expensive software issue? |
| 23:42.25 | Blizz-Deletarius | nope |
| 23:42.31 | Blizz-Deletarius | multi-tasking |
| 23:42.32 | Tinkerballa | wouldn't help since I can't even do 3d modeling |
| 23:42.36 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 23:42.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | tinker |
| 23:42.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | would it resolve the expensive software issue though? |
| 23:42.53 | Triceron | http://www.blender.org/download/get-blender/ |
| 23:42.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes or no is all I'm looking for here |
| 23:43.18 | Tinkerballa | no |
| 23:43.46 | Blizz-Deletarius | so you're saying that free software would not resolve the expensive software issue that you're having which is preventing you from moving forward? |
| 23:43.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes or no? |
| 23:44.27 | Tinkerballa | correct |
| 23:44.33 | Blizz-Deletarius | and why is that? |
| 23:44.48 | Tinkerballa | I can't even do modeling or animation |
| 23:44.50 | Taintedwisp | Deletarius it would be awesome of there wre Startools for the free programs haah |
| 23:44.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | that's not my question |
| 23:45.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | tinkerballa, skills and abilities aside - cause I'm not talking about that |
| 23:45.20 | Sixen | Tainted: I think someone asked about a Blender importer at blizzcon and they said they were currentlyo nly supporting 3ds |
| 23:45.21 | ckSynergy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjedLeVGcfE |
| 23:45.27 | Sixen | there's a 3rd party blender importer though, afaik |
| 23:45.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | from a purely economic and cost point |
| 23:45.30 | Tinkerballa | even if i had the tools i can't do such stuff |
| 23:45.34 | Ahli | (I'm sure the community will create the new knowledge into the existing plugins for the other modelling tools ) |
| 23:45.36 | ckSynergy | play that while watching the chat |
| 23:45.37 | Blizz-Deletarius | tinkerballa |
| 23:45.42 | ckSynergy | makes it that much better |
| 23:45.43 | Blizz-Deletarius | I'm just asking you a simple question |
| 23:45.49 | Sixen | ya, definitely ahli |
| 23:45.55 | Vailreth | Blizz-Deletarius, Tinker dosent want anything other than some one to di it for him/her |
| 23:46.07 | Ahli | I should stop reevaluating and changing sentences while typing |
| 23:46.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | Vailreth, I'm not sure that's the issue |
| 23:46.17 | Cheekything | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg |
| 23:46.20 | Cheekything | I think that works better |
| 23:46.26 | Repo | New map: Card Masters - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/card-masters/ |
| 23:46.40 | ckSynergy | PERFECT! |
| 23:46.44 | Triceron | ckSynergy - rofl |
| 23:46.46 | Vailreth | if Tinker is who i think he has been banned already a few times over this subject .... |
| 23:46.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok, so Tinkerballa, let's just say that I was volunteering to do the modeling and animation for you |
| 23:47.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | but I didn't have the software |
| 23:47.02 | ckSynergy | Its him Vail |
| 23:47.27 | Blizz-Deletarius | I need free software to do the animation |
| 23:47.30 | ckSynergy | <3 Triceron |
| 23:47.43 | Blizz-Deletarius | what software could I use to do that? |
| 23:48.03 | Tinkerballa | only one i know of is 3Ds max |
| 23:48.11 | Sixen | lol |
| 23:48.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | Tinkerballa |
| 23:48.39 | Sixen | Del, he's trolling you, like I said, he's been doing it for years. You're wasting your time ;/. |
| 23:48.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | let's just say that I use a mac |
| 23:48.46 | ckSynergy | LMFAO |
| 23:48.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | Sixen, I have a method to my madness |
| 23:48.57 | Sixen | whistles |
| 23:49.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | I can't use 3ds max on a mac desktop |
| 23:49.08 | Blizz-Deletarius | what software so I have at my disposal?\ |
| 23:49.13 | Triceron | wait years? He's done this before that long? |
| 23:49.27 | ckSynergy | apparently |
| 23:49.31 | Triceron | :S |
| 23:49.32 | Sixen | Ken, onetwo put him as the main boss in his RPG back in the day, don't you remember? Razernok during the beta. |
| 23:49.48 | ckSynergy | sorry cheeky, but circus music works better |
| 23:49.48 | Triceron | okay, that makes sense now |
| 23:49.52 | Sixen | hehe |
| 23:50.07 | ckSynergy | :) |
| 23:50.38 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh wait |
| 23:50.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | I found it |
| 23:51.15 | ckSynergy | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=blender ? |
| 23:51.27 | ckSynergy | heh |
| 23:52.05 | ckSynergy | Triceron, answer me honestly, can you do any sort of animation? |
| 23:52.15 | Triceron | I can |
| 23:52.16 | Repo | New announcement: FreeCam Library - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/free-cam-library/ |
| 23:52.23 | Triceron | it just takes me a long time |
| 23:52.46 | ckSynergy | you should get Tinkers address, do the animation, then send a delivery confirmation certified bill to his parents for the going rate |
| 23:52.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | Ok |
| 23:52.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | Tinkerballa |
| 23:52.57 | ckSynergy | Im guessing ball-park $500-1000? |
| 23:52.58 | Blizz-Deletarius | So what you want to do |
| 23:52.58 | Triceron | CoD |
| 23:53.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | is 100% possible |
| 23:53.04 | Blizz-Deletarius | in the editor |
| 23:53.14 | ckSynergy | yup |
| 23:53.16 | Tinkerballa | i wouldn't know |
| 23:53.18 | ckSynergy | tempt him |
| 23:53.21 | ckSynergy | say the animations are done |
| 23:53.25 | ckSynergy | he gets them when you get paid |
| 23:53.32 | Triceron | post up a video and everything |
| 23:53.33 | Blizz-Deletarius | Send an "Animation Play" actor message |
| 23:54.02 | ckSynergy | yea! |
| 23:54.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | which will allow you to configure the animation to play the attack animation while running or walking |
| 23:54.10 | Tinkerballa | I need to combine 2 animations, not possible inside SC2 without a custom model with such animations |
| 23:54.18 | Blizz-Deletarius | Send an "Animation Play" actor message |
| 23:54.21 | Blizz-Deletarius | which will allow you to configure the animation to play the attack animation while running or walking |
| 23:54.28 | ckSynergy | and the CoD thing, tell them the bill must be paid within 30 days, regardless if they accept the animations, because he "contracted" you |
| 23:54.33 | Tinkerballa | I've tried to can't |
| 23:54.42 | Triceron | if it were a model, I might do that for spite value. Animations are too much effort for the spite value tho :( |
| 23:54.47 | Tinkerballa | SC2 doesn't support animation blending |
| 23:54.59 | Tinkerballa | WoW and most MMOs do |
| 23:55.05 | Tinkerballa | but SC2 doesn't |
| 23:55.13 | Vailreth | i didnt think the engine could blend and animations like that .. |
| 23:55.25 | Triceron | it can't, you'd have to have a custom animation |
| 23:55.28 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 23:55.31 | ckSynergy | yea I understand |
| 23:55.31 | Vailreth | right |
| 23:55.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | Tinkerballa |
| 23:55.37 | ckSynergy | oh yea |
| 23:55.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | you're incorrect |
| 23:55.40 | ckSynergy | totally Iirdis |
| 23:55.48 | Blizz-Deletarius | it does support animation blending |
| 23:55.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | in what you're trying to do |
| 23:55.55 | Ahli | 2 actors and 2 edited diffuse textures? oh damned, no :D |
| 23:56.13 | Ahli | (like top half invisible and bottom half invisble) |
| 23:56.18 | ckSynergy | hold on |
| 23:56.22 | ckSynergy | Im so gonna make that dele |
| 23:56.34 | ckSynergy | attack-walk zealot |
| 23:56.36 | Tinkerballa | in MMOs like WoW, animations are each separate, like attack and walk. WoW during runtime with blend the 2 animations together to form a new one without needing a extra animation on the model |
| 23:56.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | you can have a run or walk animation for the bottom half of your unit and then have the top half of your unit playing an altogether different animation |
| 23:56.47 | Triceron | wow, that's a crazy trick if you can do that Ahli |
| 23:56.49 | ckSynergy | give me an hour for my editor to make a new map. haha |
| 23:56.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | tinkerballa |
| 23:56.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | are you listening to what I'm saying? |
| 23:57.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes or no? |
| 23:57.11 | Vailreth | this is why we love you Blizz guys... |
| 23:57.13 | Tinkerballa | I've tried to play 2 animations together in SC2 you simply can't |
| 23:57.15 | ckSynergy | wow dude |
| 23:57.17 | ckSynergy | Ahli thats ingenious |
| 23:57.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes or no? |
| 23:57.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | are you listening to what I'm saying? |
| 23:57.21 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes or no? |
| 23:57.24 | ckSynergy | and it would so work |
| 23:57.28 | Vailreth | you help us so much. |
| 23:57.39 | Tinkerballa | it only stops the current animation to play the next one |
| 23:57.43 | Blizz-Deletarius | are you listening to what I'm saying? |
| 23:57.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes or no? |
| 23:57.49 | Sixen | and people said blizzard doesn't care; ) |
| 23:58.35 | Tinkerballa | Play walk animation then tell it to play attack animation will stop the walk animation |
| 23:58.42 | Blizz-Deletarius | tinkerballa, if you have read what I've written, please type "lemon Comanche" |
| 23:58.43 | Cheekything | thats unfair the devs care |
| 23:58.53 | Cheekything | the people that are the face of the company dont seem to :/ |
| 23:58.57 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 23:58.58 | Taintedwisp | hmm |
| 23:59.02 | Tinkerballa | lemon comanche |
| 23:59.12 | Blizz-Deletarius | tinkerballa |
| 23:59.18 | Triceron | about time you arrived tainted |
| 23:59.21 | Triceron | now go away |
| 23:59.43 | Blizz-Deletarius | I'm saying that 100% for a fact, that you can absolutely have a run/walk animation on the bottom half of a unit while the top half of a unit is playing an attack animation |
