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| 00:05.35 | Taintedwisp | What happend Vailreth? |
| 00:06.51 | caz|bored | woah editor is taking a thousand years to load |
| 00:07.27 | Ahli | are you loading overview module? |
| 00:07.48 | caz|bored | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.19 | Vailreth | the suicide effect stopped killing the units its supposed to kill |
| 00:36.55 | caz|bored | Getting an error when using Create Dialog Item Type: Button |
| 00:37.13 | caz|bored | Saying it wasnt the proper width .-. ? |
| 00:37.46 | caz|bored | all i did was make the dialog item, and specified its type and parent |
| 00:43.34 | caz|bored | how do i change the text on a dialog button? "Set Dialog Item Text" isnt working :s |
| 00:44.04 | caz|bored | actually scratch that... might have made a mistake =O |
| 00:44.10 | caz|bored | *fiddle fiddle fiddle* |
| 00:44.57 | caz|bored | herp derp ... mistake fixed lol |
| 00:50.21 | caz | mkay so how do i know which button a player has pressed? im responding to the "Any Player presses (Button Pressed)" |
| 00:50.30 | caz | but not sure how to know which button that was |
| 00:51.38 | Vindicator | here's how |
| 00:51.43 | Vindicator | make a dialog item variable |
| 00:52.10 | Vindicator | on the line after the button is made say "Set variable (your dialog item variable) to last created dialog item |
| 00:52.50 | Vindicator | now, in a new trigger you'll do the event: "Dialog item is used" |
| 00:52.57 | Vindicator | have it say "any" dialog item |
| 00:53.11 | Vindicator | then on the conditions do "Used dialog item = (your dialog item variable here) |
| 00:53.55 | Vindicator | and for the actions of that trigger make them whatever you want the button to do ;) |
| 00:54.09 | caz | got it, thanks :] ... thats kind of awkward considering there is a "button pressed" event |
| 00:54.18 | caz | just had to change to other event |
| 00:54.20 | caz | >.> |
| 00:54.42 | Vindicator | that's not for a dialog item button |
| 00:54.56 | Vindicator | that's for an existing sc2 button, like screen buttons and/or SC2 UI buttons |
| 00:55.11 | Vindicator | i know it's confusing though, you're definitely right about that |
| 00:55.51 | Vindicator | the one thing about that event though is that it is in the UI section of events though, and 9 times out of 10 your dialog stuff will be in the "Dialog" section and not UI section |
| 00:56.32 | caz | ahh. |
| 01:00.15 | caz | why is it that the event has to look for "Any" dialog item |
| 01:00.23 | caz | and not just the one we're meaning to check |
| 01:00.41 | Vindicator | it's a good habit to have because it won't always work as your start doing more complex things |
| 01:01.55 | Vindicator | it might work in this situation if you choose to do it that way, but eventually things won't work for you like that some day, like if you have an array of buttons and you pick one - that doesn't work still i don't think, also you might want a trigger that responds to more than 1 button, and you'd have to do it this way |
| 01:02.01 | Vindicator | and have multiple conditions for each one |
| 01:02.35 | caz | I was planning to have 1 trigger per dialog |
| 01:02.43 | caz | each trigger handling the buttons for that dialog |
| 01:03.12 | caz | although i wont likely have many dialogs anyway... but thats how id organize it. |
| 01:03.37 | Vindicator | depending on how much is going to be in your dialogs that could be just fine or nuts :) |
| 01:04.30 | caz | for tonight its 1 dialog called UserActions containing 1 button "Pass" |
| 01:04.31 | caz | :D |
| 01:04.42 | Vindicator | ya that's fine |
| 01:05.08 | caz | The game will be complicated but the ui and such will not. |
| 01:05.45 | Vindicator | is most of the stuff for your game done in triggers or data editor? |
| 01:06.18 | caz | its more or less a remake of 'Magic: The Gathering' card game.... so almost 100% triggers and more about functions than trigger events |
| 01:06.49 | Taintedwisp | I wonder if I could get ckSynergy to make me a loadingscreen, I think I know exactly how I want it |
| 01:06.59 | Vindicator | nice nice, cool. making sure i wasn't talking to a data editor whiz cuz i could use one ;) |
| 01:07.00 | Taintedwisp | Shouldnt be too hard to make either |
| 01:07.20 | caz | im pretty horrid in data |
| 01:08.19 | caz | right now im working on turn structure.. the game flows from one game step to the next ... need to make sure each player chooses to pass to the next step before it moves on |
| 01:08.24 | caz | im just rotating to each step eveyr 2s atm |
| 01:10.27 | Taintedwisp | 400 faggots need to log off wow... |
| 01:10.28 | Taintedwisp | dammit |
| 01:10.33 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 01:19.53 | caz | Vindicator Can i get the dialog item's parent? |
| 01:20.18 | caz | so this trigger checks if "dialog item used's parent = someDialog" |
| 01:23.45 | Vindicator | hmm probably, but what are you trying to do? |
| 01:23.59 | Vindicator | i've never needed to do that i don't think so that's why i'm asking |
| 01:25.15 | caz | Well it seems logical for a trigger this way |
| 01:25.32 | Taintedwisp | Anyone in here who is good with photoshop, and would like to make a loading screen for me? |
| 01:25.36 | caz | i have a trigger to handle all messages for buttons in the UserActions Dialog |
| 01:25.56 | Vindicator | k and what part needs to know what the parent dialog is |
| 01:26.07 | caz | so it will respond to Event: "Button Pressed: Any Button" Condition "Parent(Pressed button) = UserActions) |
| 01:26.20 | Vindicator | oh, u don't need to do that |
| 01:26.42 | caz | oh? |
| 01:26.45 | Vindicator | you just need need "Used dialog item = (your button variable)" |
| 01:26.49 | Vindicator | for the condition |
| 01:27.15 | caz | its redundant that way |
| 01:27.19 | Vindicator | how |
| 01:27.26 | caz | every dialog box with buttons will have one of these triggers |
| 01:27.29 | caz | set up for it |
| 01:27.39 | caz | so all the triggers will go off and go thru all the conditions |
| 01:27.42 | caz | looking for which button |
| 01:27.50 | caz | even if my button was found in trigger 1 |
| 01:27.56 | caz | it will still check all button variables in trigger 2 |
| 01:27.58 | caz | to see if its there |
| 01:28.03 | Vindicator | you have 1 dialog per player i'm assuming right? |
| 01:28.13 | caz | atm |
| 01:28.16 | caz | just one |
| 01:28.20 | caz | im attempting to share the actiosn dialog |
| 01:28.30 | caz | since only one player can act at a time id rather save the trouble of making 2 |
| 01:28.44 | Vindicator | so if you did it your way it would still need to check 8 things right? because 8 dialogs exist and 8 buttons exist, so 8 possible parent dialogs exist |
| 01:29.18 | caz | it would check 8 different dialogs.... but if every dialog had 4 buttons... it'd still check 8 dialogs... where as ur way checks 32 buttons :s |
| 01:29.49 | Vindicator | well if you had 4 buttons per dialog it would break because each of those 4 buttons would trigger your way because they would all have the same parent dialog ;) |
| 01:30.08 | caz | huh |
| 01:30.17 | caz | maybe u misunderstand me :s |
| 01:30.21 | Vindicator | maybe lol |
| 01:30.40 | Vindicator | i think i get you but i might be misunderstanding something |
| 01:31.01 | caz | Event: Button Click.......Condition: Parent(Button) = SomeDialog........ Actions: Switch(dialogItem) { button1, button2, button3, button4} |
| 01:31.06 | caz | that would be full message handling |
| 01:31.32 | Vindicator | so whats the switch do? |
| 01:31.45 | caz | a switch is like a bunch of if-then-else-if |
| 01:31.53 | caz | if its button 1 then do this, else if its button 2 do this..etc etc |
| 01:31.54 | Vindicator | i know what a switch is, i mean what is it doing tho |
| 01:32.10 | caz | respond to the butotn clicks.. i didnt feel it was relevant to the example lol |
| 01:32.17 | caz | like set a variable saying "this was clicked" |
| 01:32.48 | caz | buttonPASS: bool_playerPassed = true; |
| 01:33.02 | Vindicator | ok well here, i found what you wanted i think, so lol here ya go |
| 01:33.12 | Vindicator | do the condition " Dialog containing dialog item" |
| 01:33.18 | caz | if it breaks i'll mail u a white flag. |
| 01:33.28 | caz | hmmm Dialog containing dialog item |
| 01:33.31 | caz | what a fucked up way of saying parent |
| 01:33.46 | caz | how did u find that o.o |
| 01:34.12 | Vindicator | i = dialog mastar |
| 01:34.14 | caz | not in my list atm |
| 01:34.18 | caz | hmmm |
| 01:34.34 | caz | ah |
| 01:36.15 | Vindicator | i mean. i have no clue what i'm talking about. i just made that up? did it really exist? :) |
| 01:36.23 | caz | LoL |
| 01:36.28 | caz | well editor thows me off sometimes |
| 01:36.32 | caz | because it tries to help u |
| 01:36.34 | caz | and in doing so |
| 01:36.41 | caz | hides random shit that it doesnt feel is relevant |
| 01:36.45 | caz | to where ur at |
| 01:37.20 | Vindicator | here's how i search for things, if i don't find something the way i think it should be worded, i type single words that are definitely related in some way, for example "Dialog" and then you see all the conditions with dialog in them |
| 01:38.01 | Vindicator | if that returned too many results, dialog item, if that was too few, i'd try just "item" |
| 01:38.08 | Vindicator | stuff like that |
| 01:39.38 | caz | the place i was looking was a bad place |
| 01:39.44 | caz | there was no way to find it even with proper wording |
| 01:39.53 | Vindicator | i c |
| 01:40.13 | caz | here's a short tiny start to my response |
| 01:40.16 | caz | http://pastebin.com/KEMZ3nMD |
| 01:41.36 | caz | so if the parent is anything but UserActions... the trigger stops right then and there |
| 01:41.41 | caz | all of its buttons are ignored |
| 01:41.50 | caz | because the dialog the item was clicked in.. was not userActions |
| 01:41.59 | caz | if it was UserActions.. we check its buttons and only its buttons |
| 01:44.19 | Vindicator | is that working for u? because it doesn't look like it would but im not positive |
| 01:47.12 | caz | k testing the button now |
| 01:47.26 | caz | Yes |
| 01:47.29 | caz | displayed the text msg |
| 01:47.30 | Vindicator | cool |
| 01:47.43 | caz | what looks like it wouldnt work? |
| 01:47.56 | Vindicator | i never tried using a local variable with a "used dialog item". i didn't know it would plug that in there like that |
| 01:48.32 | caz | The dialog item and dialogs are probably just an integer when its all said and done.. so passing them around should be simple. |
| 01:48.59 | Vindicator | right, i didn't know an event could plug stuff into local variables on the fly like that i guess |
| 01:49.10 | caz | ah... guess i didnt either |
| 01:49.15 | caz | lol... i make assumptiosn :s |
| 01:49.18 | caz | assumptions* |
| 01:49.28 | Vindicator | ya, can't figure stuff out without guessing and testing |
| 01:49.28 | caz | hence why i cry sometimes T_T |
| 01:49.49 | caz | the part i wasnt sure about |
| 01:50.15 | caz | was lv_parent = dialog containing(lv_buttonPressed)... i wasnt sure if it'd assign the parent properly |
| 01:50.58 | caz | Do u think i'll run into any issues trying to share the dialog? |
| 01:51.12 | Vindicator | what do u mean "Share"? |
| 01:51.21 | caz | im displaying it to "All" players |
| 01:51.33 | caz | because both players have the same possible actions |
| 01:51.38 | Vindicator | oh, ya you'll need 8 dialogs as far as i know for 8 players for example |
| 01:51.40 | caz | its just only 1 player can be doing the actions at a time |
| 01:51.47 | caz | hmmm |
| 01:51.51 | Vindicator | because if you show the same dialog to two players, they are both looking at the same button |
| 01:52.29 | Vindicator | you've gotta be really specific with everything in the editor, but that's why it's so powerful too, because the more you have to specify, the more control you have and the less that's being done automatically in the background |
| 01:53.13 | caz | I was thinking of hiding it from the player that cant act and showing it to the other.... then swapping it whenever control changes |
| 01:53.26 | Vindicator | that could work |
| 01:53.39 | caz | unless that would end up looking tacky :D |
| 01:53.40 | caz | lol |
| 01:53.54 | Vindicator | i don't think so |
| 01:54.03 | Vindicator | you're just hiding and showing the dialog to the correct player |
| 01:54.53 | caz | whats a little off about this is that pretty much everything happens in the trigger "Game Run"... so the other triggers cant really do anything hard core.. accept alter variables that will get checked by the loop in "Game Run |
| 01:55.02 | caz | so it can be a little weird to explain |
| 01:55.25 | Taintedwisp | Hey Vailreth hows the Map Coming along? any improvements |
| 02:00.31 | caz | Vindicator: What kind of map are u workin on? |
| 02:02.02 | Vindicator | i publish mineralz evolution, city of tempest, and i'm currently working on an RPG similar to pokemon |
| 02:02.25 | Vindicator | also have a hotkey trainer on b.net |
| 02:02.37 | Vailreth | yes i have the guards dying if they get to far away from the king but also being constantly order to move to his position |
| 02:16.39 | Taintedwisp | Ah cool |
| 02:19.49 | Taintedwisp | Nice |
| 02:35.59 | Taintedwisp | Vailreth i'm not going to lie, Its those last 2 abilities on him, that are going to be the hardest haahah, THey have a lot of Actors/effects to them |
| 03:04.10 | Taintedwisp | hmm |
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| 03:04.51 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 03:24.56 | Vailreth | night folks |
| 03:25.40 | Vaol|Gone | close enough damn it |
| 03:37.35 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 03:37.39 | Taintedwisp | Cya Later |
| 03:40.54 | caz | anyone able to help with an error im getting in trigger? |
| 03:41.29 | caz | gt_GameRun_Func: 'Execution took too long' |
| 03:47.05 | caz | pfff nevermind, i solved the problem |
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| 05:32.07 | DeadZergling | pretty happening in here, seen 4 join/leave messages in the last half hour |
| 05:37.17 | Taintedwisp | Shhh |
| 05:37.26 | Taintedwisp | This is a library |
| 05:37.56 | DeadZergling | lies, be more porn links if it were |
| 05:38.07 | Taintedwisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.09 | soulcarver | Assets\Textures\ui_help_frame_tips_new_terran.dds |
| 05:38.15 | soulcarver | dialog porn |
| 05:38.15 | Taintedwisp | nah im watchin TB :P |
| 05:38.25 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:43.17 | DeadZergling | nothing funner than going through an old folder of images 5 months old and trying to make sense of it, lol |
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| 08:09.19 | Kueken | :D |
| 08:10.14 | Kueken | a filehoster translated "second" in terms of "5 seconds download time" with second in terms of first, second, third |
| 08:10.26 | Kueken | which results in 2 different words in german |
| 08:13.50 | equinox1911_ | but dont tell that the translater |
| 08:14.43 | Kueken | oh, google won't mind |
| 08:21.00 | equinox1911_ | hgjghj |
| 08:21.02 | equinox1911_ | ops |
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| 10:34.40 | DeadZergling | Hey Kueken, are you there/available for a question? |
| 10:34.50 | Kueken | yes |
| 10:35.31 | DeadZergling | basically, i have a number of fire bolt type spells, but they all enjoy dragging along the ground, going up and down hills, that sort of thing |
| 10:35.35 | DeadZergling | looks rather tacky |
| 10:35.46 | DeadZergling | how would I go about making it not do that? |
| 10:36.35 | Kueken | so they alway hug the ground, from the start? |
| 10:36.38 | Kueken | *always |
| 10:37.07 | DeadZergling | right |
| 10:37.24 | Kueken | that usually happens, if you have no associated action actor, or if you messed up the action actor |
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| 10:37.37 | DeadZergling | they do everything else they supposed to, they just look tacky while doing it, lol |
| 10:37.48 | Kueken | check the Missile - field first, if it is correctly linked to your projectile unit actor |
| 10:38.04 | Kueken | the Missile field of your Action actor |
| 10:38.28 | DeadZergling | you mean the launch effect? |
| 10:38.59 | Kueken | no |
| 10:39.11 | DeadZergling | Seeing an Art: Missile field |
| 10:39.17 | Kueken | yes |
| 10:39.38 | Kueken | that needs to be linked to the projectile unit's unit actor |
| 10:39.59 | DeadZergling | this seems to be correct |
| 10:40.27 | Kueken | alright |
| 10:40.31 | DeadZergling | is definitely pointing at the missile actor |
| 10:41.00 | Kueken | and the action actor is of type action, based on GenericAttack, I assume? |
| 10:41.15 | DeadZergling | correct |
| 10:41.22 | Kueken | with only the launch effect and impact effect tokens used |
| 10:41.26 | Kueken | no attack effect |
| 10:41.45 | Kueken | also, did you change anything in the events? |
| 10:41.45 | DeadZergling | has a launch effect, no impact effect |
| 10:41.55 | Kueken | okay, needs no impact usually |
| 10:41.56 | DeadZergling | I think I had issues getting the model size right so i deleted the impact event |
| 10:42.10 | DeadZergling | and made some one time shot models for that |
| 10:42.41 | Kueken | might be better with an impact effect though, not sure |
| 10:42.43 | DeadZergling | events, nothing major |
| 10:42.52 | DeadZergling | just a tintcolor and a setscale |
| 10:42.53 | Kueken | you don't need to use impact graphics |
| 10:42.53 | DeadZergling | that i can see |
| 10:43.08 | Kueken | in the action actor's events? |
| 10:43.20 | DeadZergling | besides the defaults, yea |
| 10:43.25 | Kueken | tint and scale events don't even work there, I believe |
| 10:43.51 | DeadZergling | probably not, was probably left over from me trying to retint/scale the impacts |
| 10:43.57 | Kueken | okay |
| 10:44.09 | Kueken | try resetting the events+ field |
| 10:44.22 | DeadZergling | okay, to what? |
| 10:44.28 | Kueken | sometimes seemingyl unaffected events get messed up |
| 10:44.32 | Kueken | to GenericAttack |
| 10:44.35 | DeadZergling | okay |
| 10:44.51 | DeadZergling | ill see how that looks |
| 10:45.02 | Kueken | probably no change |
| 10:45.11 | Kueken | but you newer know |
| 10:45.15 | Kueken | *never |
| 10:45.16 | DeadZergling | few values got altered |
| 10:45.18 | DeadZergling | when I did that |
| 10:45.57 | Kueken | yes, when reloading the map, it replaces the references for the effects again, but it should be functional now |
| 10:46.38 | DeadZergling | still going up and down hills |
| 10:47.10 | Kueken | okay so mainly the hill is the problem= |
| 10:47.24 | Kueken | not the missiles not starting at the correct attachment point? |
| 10:47.27 | DeadZergling | yea, they've been functioning so to speak, they just look bad |
| 10:47.37 | DeadZergling | they start at the caster |
| 10:47.57 | Kueken | at origin or at the attachment point you defined? |
| 10:48.43 | DeadZergling | Launch Location: (None): Source Unit |
| 10:49.15 | DeadZergling | that is probably not what you want though |
| 10:49.18 | DeadZergling | that is the effect side |
| 10:49.57 | DeadZergling | you mean the launch attachment query? |
| 10:51.29 | Kueken | yes |
| 10:52.05 | DeadZergling | fallback is center, methods contains AMFilterWeaponSetA2 |
| 10:52.46 | Kueken | alright |
| 10:53.02 | Kueken | you configured that or is that some sort of duplication relic? |
| 10:53.15 | DeadZergling | was so long ago I can't say, lol |
| 10:53.26 | DeadZergling | I know I had to fiddle with some parts a lot when patch 1.5 hit |
| 10:53.55 | Kueken | Those attachment sets are usually used to fire missiles in sequence from different attachment points |
| 10:54.05 | Kueken | like marauder, goliath, thor... |
| 10:54.22 | Kueken | they need to be configured in the model |
| 10:54.41 | DeadZergling | I see, shall I reset that one to parent value genericattack? lol |
| 10:54.46 | Kueken | probably |
| 10:55.08 | Kueken | although it won't do anything about the terrain height issue |
| 10:55.09 | DeadZergling | kk, checking that out, it changed a value as well |
| 10:55.32 | Kueken | watch closely, if it launches at the correct attachment point |
| 10:55.44 | Kueken | if you resetted it, it should start at the weapon |
| 10:56.31 | Kueken | maybe add a launch asset |
| 10:57.18 | DeadZergling | is coming straight out of the mutalisk's mouth |
| 10:57.28 | DeadZergling | you mean like lower/heighten? |
| 10:57.43 | Kueken | okay, that suggests the action actor is working properly |
| 10:58.18 | Kueken | then you can try to change the mover |
| 10:58.30 | Kueken | for example check the ignore terrain flag |
| 10:58.40 | DeadZergling | would pathing mode saying ground |
| 10:58.43 | DeadZergling | be a bad thing? |
| 10:59.17 | Kueken | try to change it, it didn't make a huge difference, when I tried |
| 10:59.36 | Kueken | granted, that was years ago |
| 11:01.01 | DeadZergling | is less obvious, but it is still going up/down hills |
| 11:02.28 | DeadZergling | ill try the ignore terrain flag |
| 11:02.49 | DeadZergling | took me awhile to find it, lol |
| 11:04.25 | DeadZergling | rats, it still wants to go up hills |
| 11:06.07 | Kueken | what kind of mover do you use? |
| 11:06.32 | DeadZergling | is probably originally from a BC of sorts |
| 11:06.39 | DeadZergling | but have altered the speed of it |
| 11:06.54 | DeadZergling | Guidance type |
| 11:07.21 | DeadZergling | well, the driver is guidance... |
| 11:08.10 | Kueken | and it fires to an offset? |
| 11:08.52 | DeadZergling | not sure, where would I check that? It fires at periodic persistent offset of like -12 |
| 11:08.55 | DeadZergling | if that is what you mean |
| 11:09.20 | Kueken | yes |
| 11:09.59 | Kueken | its probably calculating the target point with the change in height included |
| 11:10.10 | Kueken | maybe a throw actor would work better |
| 11:10.45 | DeadZergling | maybe, it hits anything in its path along the way |
| 11:10.51 | DeadZergling | so hitting a target has to look believable |
| 11:14.20 | Kueken | well, changing the mover from guidance to throw shouldn't change anything about that |
| 11:16.22 | DeadZergling | still going along ground |
| 11:16.28 | DeadZergling | w/ the added bonus of always going directly south |
| 11:16.37 | DeadZergling | and going on until they hit a cliff |
| 11:19.32 | Kueken | :D |
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| 11:19.45 | DeadZergling | is a little better anyways, it doesn't go down hills, only up them now |
| 11:21.02 | DeadZergling | (after changing back to guidance anyways, I can't have all shots go south, lol |
| 11:25.52 | DeadZergling | any other thoughts? |
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| 11:27.21 | Kueken | thought is, that you can definitely use a throw mover without it always moving south :D |
| 11:28.39 | DeadZergling | yea... be willing to try one, but need to resolve the going south thing, lol |
| 11:33.49 | Ahli | that's when there is no arc :S points have no arc info, units have |
| 11:34.11 | Ahli | had that problem with persistents 2 days ago |
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| 11:35.06 | DeadZergling | how'd you resolve the issue? ahli? |
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| 11:35.41 | Ahli | I had to use the source unit in the persistent's fallback angle |
| 11:35.53 | Ahli | (it doesn't seem to be "fallback" :D ) |
| 11:41.09 | DeadZergling | hrrrmm, offset facing fallback is set to caster unit |
| 11:46.44 | Kueken | so |
| 11:46.49 | Kueken | tested myself |
| 11:47.08 | Kueken | it seems like the ignore terrain flag works, but not when traveling up cliffs |
| 11:47.25 | Kueken | it works for other terrain obstacles or when traveling down cliffs |
| 11:47.56 | DeadZergling | hrrrmmm, odd, mine kept traveling up hills as well |
| 11:48.08 | Kueken | it most likely conflicts with units being hardcoded to not be able to "sink" into the terrain |
| 11:48.25 | Kueken | they only travel up hills |
| 11:48.37 | Kueken | when shooting downhill, they keep their height |
| 11:48.47 | Kueken | and don't descend at all |
| 11:49.05 | DeadZergling | guess Ill just have to live with that, lol |
| 11:49.31 | Kueken | what should they do anyway? |
| 11:49.42 | Kueken | travel straight through cliffs? |
| 11:49.56 | DeadZergling | just fly straight until expiring, or getting splatted by a cliff |
| 11:51.01 | Kueken | so whats the problem then? you just need to validate the cliff |
| 11:51.12 | DeadZergling | naw, problem was the missiles looking tacky |
| 11:51.18 | DeadZergling | always traveling up and down |
| 11:51.35 | DeadZergling | at least with them not traveling down every hill, it won't be quite as obvious |
| 11:52.31 | DeadZergling | i may just delete the autokill on cliffs though, replace it with regions that kill any missiles inside |
| 11:52.38 | DeadZergling | as sometimes I want it to shoot up cliffs, sometimes not |
| 11:54.10 | DeadZergling | if that makes any sense |
| 11:55.01 | DeadZergling | although, might be wiser still to just replace all cliff areas I want to be able to shoot up w/ elevated terrain and a few impassable markers |
| 12:01.15 | DeadZergling | anyways just rambling now, thx for the help kueken |
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| 13:08.56 | Stewox | hello |
| 13:09.05 | Stewox | anyone of you got hots beta yet ? |
| 13:20.34 | Ahli | why do you ask? |
| 13:21.34 | Kueken | yes |
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| 13:37.35 | Kueken | heh |
| 13:37.47 | Kueken | got tons of fake Blizzard mails again |
| 13:37.58 | Kueken | one even from a yahoo mail adress |
| 13:38.19 | Kueken | not suspicious at all o_0 |
| 13:38.55 | Kueken | sure, a company like Blizzard would use a yahoo mail account for customer service |
| 13:43.14 | equinox1911_ | yeah, i hope you provided them with essiential information like passwords and credit card numbers |
| 13:43.20 | equinox1911_ | you know, just in case |
| 13:50.54 | Kueken | sure |
| 13:51.31 | Kueken | I made sure to even buy some additional licenses so I can provide them with multiple accounts |
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| 14:03.41 | ChousukeTheFinn | Kueken, mein leiber, du sagst immer die Warheit. |
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| 14:19.22 | Ahli | can I make an ability ignore the casting unit's radius? |
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| 14:55.15 | Kueken | Ahli: not sure |
| 14:55.24 | Kueken | can you give it a negative range? |
| 14:56.02 | Kueken | I am pretty sure, I saw an "offset by unit radius" flag somewhere |
| 14:56.11 | Kueken | but apparently not in the abilities... |
| 14:58.03 | Ahli | I lowered the range by the unit's radius manually |
| 15:05.13 | Kueken | is there a way to make abilities castable while you are stunned? |
| 15:06.42 | Stewox | well, i want to make abilities stackable again |
| 15:06.49 | Ahli | in a requirement, which int values are considered "true"? |
| 15:06.51 | Stewox | this time it's fungal growth |
| 15:07.14 | Stewox | i was doing the psi storm before but kind of fogot it was a long time ago |
| 15:07.19 | Kueken | Ahli: I think, everything not 0 is true |
| 15:07.26 | Kueken | you can do comparisons, though |
| 15:07.32 | Ahli | nah ;D |
| 15:07.33 | Kueken | just to make sure |
| 15:08.21 | Kueken | Stewox: thats your answer to why you want to know who is in beta? |
| 15:08.23 | G0A | How can I show the training progress over the unit like in risk? (also I want to manipulate it with triggers and is it possible to show 2 over 1 unit?) |
| 15:08.28 | Kueken | I might need some more context xD |
| 15:09.29 | Kueken | G0A: 2 progress bars simultaneously is not supported afaik |
| 15:09.34 | Kueken | not entirely sure, though |
| 15:09.51 | G0A | :( |
| 15:09.54 | Kueken | you could maybe simulate it with a reactor-like construct |
| 15:10.06 | Stewox | beta |
| 15:10.08 | Kueken | or use triggers to attach dialogs |
| 15:10.13 | Stewox | well if aynone is in |
| 15:10.23 | G0A | yeah I will probably go for dialogs |
| 15:10.33 | Stewox | waiting to blizzard get those keys out to modding community as promised |
| 15:10.36 | G0A | But would have been nice easier solution |
| 15:10.52 | Kueken | there are a couple of mappers in beta |
| 15:10.53 | Stewox | sc2mapster said it would happen a week ago |
| 15:11.07 | Kueken | I know a few, including me |
| 15:11.10 | Stewox | yes but those probably got the key by lottery randomly somewhere else |
| 15:11.36 | Stewox | that's bs, i don't want to play these lotteries for months |
| 15:12.07 | Kueken | did the Blizzguys show up last week btw? |
| 15:12.17 | Stewox | no i wasn't here damn |
| 15:12.19 | Stewox | i didn't check |
| 15:12.27 | Kueken | or do they have company vacation or something |
| 15:13.12 | Stewox | i think sc2mapster news was about the second wave of key emails |
| 15:13.47 | Stewox | but there is keys also given directly to community sites and ofcourse sc2mapster is one of them but I just asked to see, there's also no ETA when |
| 15:14.20 | Stewox | blizzguys were supposed to come here and .... what , give keys ? |
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| 15:16.53 | Kueken | well, if they would, everyone would spam them to give them keys |
| 15:17.05 | Stewox | hehe |
| 15:17.21 | Stewox | well yeah |
| 15:18.06 | Stewox | Effect: Behavior Count :1 |
| 15:18.16 | Stewox | is this the stack limit ? |
| 15:18.34 | Kueken | thats the stacks the effect applies |
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| 15:18.44 | Kueken | the stack count is defined in the behavior itself |
| 15:18.45 | G0A | hmm does progress bar dialog item works? (I am really lazy today:) |
| 15:18.51 | Stewox | it's in Fungal Growth (apply root) |
| 15:19.17 | Stewox | ah okay |
| 15:19.31 | Kueken | but be careful |
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| 15:19.45 | Kueken | the way these abilities are designed often lets them stack with themselves |
| 15:19.56 | Kueken | as in the same cast stacks with itself |
| 15:20.14 | Kueken | you probably want to limit the stacks to 1 per caster |
| 15:20.58 | ducky_ | aaw, I just love description of some maps. Guess what's the plural of "mode" is. That's right - moduses xD |
| 15:21.23 | Kueken | sounds like a female monster of greek mythology |
| 15:21.24 | Stewox | yes it lest them stack, but the effect is wasted because behavior is applied once |
| 15:21.34 | Stewox | you told me that didn't you for the psi storm stuff |
| 15:21.35 | Vindicator | lol ducky |
| 15:21.52 | Kueken | maybe |
| 15:21.56 | Kueken | don't remember |
| 15:22.38 | Kueken | you could also try to use markers instead |
| 15:22.46 | Stewox | well per caster is 0 |
| 15:22.50 | Stewox | does that mean unlimited |
| 15:22.56 | Stewox | or -1 should mean unlimited ? |
| 15:23.00 | Kueken | 0 is unlimited |
| 15:23.12 | Stewox | so it's not global |
| 15:23.16 | Stewox | per parameter |
| 15:23.28 | Stewox | cause i saw many other things at -1 when looking at effect just bt |
| 15:23.29 | Kueken | its limited by the overall maximum stack count |
| 15:23.30 | Stewox | btw |
| 15:23.47 | Kueken | no, blizzard is quite inconsistent in that regard :) |
| 15:24.30 | Stewox | yeah |
| 15:26.06 | Kueken | well, as I was saying, you can probably use markers to prevent one instance of the spell from stacking with itself, while still allowing multiple casts of the same unit to stack with each other |
| 15:26.25 | G0A | hmm if I set countdown checked in behavior flag than it will show a progress bar on the unit? |
| 15:26.35 | Kueken | but especially for psi storm, you could just as well remove the behavior entirely |
| 15:27.34 | Kueken | G0A: yes |
| 15:27.59 | Kueken | and it will show together with the training bar... |
| 15:28.10 | Kueken | that could work :) |
| 15:28.41 | Kueken | you would just need a dummy behavior, which runs with the training of the 2nd unit |
| 15:28.41 | Stewox | ok |
| 15:28.54 | Kueken | while the 1st unit displays its regular training progress |
| 15:29.42 | G0A | I dont want to use it for training |
| 15:29.58 | G0A | I just thought it would be nicer to do that instead dialog progress bar |
| 15:30.56 | Kueken | okay, then you would need a dummy unit training to display a 2nd bar :D |
| 15:31.35 | Kueken | and I am pretty sure, you can influence training progress as well as behavior durations in triggers |
| 15:32.20 | G0A | yeah I saw that |
| 15:37.14 | G0A | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.09 | G0A | Also how do I make that training progress bar show up? |
| 15:44.45 | Kueken | no idea and don't know exactly :) |
| 15:45.07 | Kueken | slot 1 is probably the training queue |
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| 15:45.32 | Kueken | and progress bar should be a flag of the ability |
| 15:45.39 | Kueken | and in the actor probably |
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| 16:05.45 | Dogmai | ~seen blizz-deleterius |
| 16:05.50 | purl | Dogmai: i haven't seen 'blizz-deleterius' |
| 16:06.05 | Dogmai | ~seen blizz-deletarius |
| 16:06.06 | purl | blizz-deletarius <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 2d 18h 51m 18s ago, saying: 'anyway, afk'. |
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| 16:12.23 | G0A | pff I cant get those bars to work. (I would have done it with dialogs already.) |
| 16:13.16 | Zandose | hey, I got a question. I want to use triggers to tell a unit when to move, attack, and move-attack. There is no trigger to order a unit to move-attack. How would i go about doing this? |
| 16:15.13 | Zandose | I believe i need to edit a units data to allow it to attack-move, like other units in the game, but how do i use two orders at once? add a seperate the unit into a moving part and a turrent and use actor messages? |
| 16:16.02 | Zandose | *seperate the unit into a moving part and a turrent and use actor messages? |
| 16:16.39 | Zandose | G0A, what bars? |
| 16:17.17 | G0A | unit training bar, behavior bar |
| 16:17.56 | G0A | I done everything now, I think it must be actor related even though I set show prograss bar on in the actor. |
| 16:19.23 | Zandose | I've never worked with that kind of bar sorry. |
| 16:19.54 | Zandose | is the bar not showing up? |
| 16:20.42 | G0A | yeah it doesnt.D |
| 16:21.01 | Zandose | My guess is it isnt added to the unit in data? |
| 16:21.42 | G0A | nope |
| 16:22.20 | Zandose | nope as in its not that or nope as in i didnt do that yet |
| 16:23.28 | G0A | I did do that |
| 16:23.38 | Zandose | ic |
| 16:23.51 | Zandose | well then im out of ideas at the moment |
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| 16:26.01 | Zandose | are you using a order or actor messages for the bar? |
| 16:26.29 | G0A | order |
| 16:27.52 | G0A | dont think its possible with actor messages |
| 16:28.23 | Zandose | idk either :) lol |
| 16:28.47 | Zandose | well its just a order for a ability so actors should be able to do it too¿ |
| 16:29.37 | G0A | I will do it with dialogs now, fucking shit data editor:D |
| 16:29.51 | Zandose | does the unit your trying to order created have any requirements that arent met? like minerals? |
| 16:30.43 | G0A | no |
| 16:31.06 | G0A | but it didnt work for behavior too so it must be the unit's fault which the training is on... |
| 16:31.22 | G0A | I even tried with ability cooldowns...D |
| 16:31.49 | Zandose | I did a test map with a nexus and training a probe. Only needed to give the player enough minerals to build one |
| 16:32.41 | Zandose | ability has to be active, requires met (minerals, other buildings), then should work |
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| 16:37.27 | Zandose | Do you have all theses? looking at the data i see you need... abilitys: Build in Progress, nexus - train (with probe added), and queue. under units: probe. |
| 16:37.44 | Zandose | thats my last shot then im going back to my thing |
| 16:38.37 | G0A | pff dialogs have to be continuously attached to unit.( |
| 16:38.52 | Zandose | they do? |
| 16:38.58 | G0A | yeah Zandose I have those |
| 16:39.28 | Repo | New announcement: Sc2Mapster's Weekly Terraining Exercise reaches 100th edition - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/sc2mapsters-weekly-terraining-exercise-reaches-100th/ |
| 16:39.33 | G0A | I might be wrong |
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| 17:10.39 | ckSynergy | morning |
| 17:16.04 | equinox1911_ | moin |
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| 17:22.36 | Dogmai_ | Test |
| 17:23.18 | Dogmai_ | No blizzard reps yet eh |
| 17:23.45 | Dogmai_ | Meh well night |
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| 18:23.32 | hjfabre | Whuaa... School gives too much work to do in KoKR schools T_T |
| 18:23.40 | Taintedwisp | Damn my fukn back |
| 18:23.41 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:24.19 | DeadZergling | what, your brother bite your back now too? |
| 18:25.11 | Taintedwisp | no |
| 18:25.19 | Taintedwisp | Hes still crying about gettin his asswhooped |
| 18:25.26 | Taintedwisp | Fucking uncomfortable bed... |
| 18:25.46 | Taintedwisp | he quit running his mouth and challenging me after that |
| 18:26.45 | DeadZergling | perhaps you should avoid #%#%ing your bed then |
| 18:26.51 | DeadZergling | Your back might feel better then |
| 18:27.33 | Taintedwisp | elol |
| 18:28.10 | Taintedwisp | Hmm |
| 18:28.17 | Taintedwisp | I need a GOOD loading screen that fits my map... |
| 18:28.24 | DeadZergling | go make one |
| 18:28.32 | Taintedwisp | Wish I could use a Gif image then I could easily make one hahaha |
| 18:28.43 | Taintedwisp | I would have the laggiest loading screen everf |
| 18:28.44 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 18:29.03 | DeadZergling | converting between image types is no big deal |
| 18:29.06 | Taintedwisp | MY loading screen would consist of 30 units transforming haha |
| 18:29.10 | Taintedwisp | No it would be animated haha |
| 18:29.25 | DeadZergling | why not just show a picture of a shocked cow watching your beef o matic use the raining cows |
| 18:29.32 | Taintedwisp | hmm |
| 18:29.40 | Taintedwisp | Well im not that good at photoshop |
| 18:29.48 | Taintedwisp | But I could draw up some plans and maybe find someone who is |
| 18:30.13 | Taintedwisp | http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/LoadingScreen2.jpg |
| 18:30.17 | Taintedwisp | That was the last one I made |
| 18:30.22 | Taintedwisp | But I like it less and less |
| 18:31.28 | DeadZergling | yea, dummies both evolved into karate kicking man |
| 18:31.28 | Taintedwisp | I need to have a symbol for my map |
| 18:31.33 | DeadZergling | if one had evolved to sniper he woulda won |
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| 18:36.49 | Saeris | Hey Triceron, what're you working on these days? |
| 18:37.15 | Triceron | Ahoy |
| 18:37.41 | Triceron | workin on some cool bosses for my map |
| 18:37.52 | Triceron | and trying to learn somem terraining, haha |
| 18:37.59 | Saeris | haha |
| 18:38.07 | Saeris | what kind of terraining? |
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| 18:39.03 | Triceron | general I guess. I never really delved into the editor |
| 18:39.38 | Taintedwisp | What did you say after teh Karate men thing? |
| 18:40.10 | Saeris | you still doing some modeling? |
| 18:41.38 | Triceron | yah |
| 18:43.18 | DeadZergling_ | oh that tainted, was saying it was stupid how both teams evolved to t he same guy |
| 18:43.23 | DeadZergling_ | one shoulda went sniper lol |
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| 18:54.14 | Taintedwisp | hhaahah |
| 18:58.29 | Taintedwisp | Damn I cant make a good Energy ORb |
| 18:59.59 | DeadZergling | ability or load screen tainted? |
| 19:06.45 | Taintedwisp | Load screen |
| 19:07.44 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmm, what does that have to do with Evo Frenzy? |
| 19:07.52 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 19:07.57 | Taintedwisp | Im making a Symbol |
| 19:07.57 | Taintedwisp | lol |
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| 19:13.13 | Taintedwisp | Ill Have to remake my symbol |
| 19:13.14 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:13.18 | Taintedwisp | But ill do that later |
| 19:14.25 | Taintedwisp | Someone should make me a loading screen haahah, That I wont need for a few months |
| 19:14.26 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:16.32 | Taintedwisp | Hey Vailreth hows it going? |
| 19:17.46 | DeadZergling | sounds like a bad idea, might change your mind on what you need in that time |
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| 19:31.48 | Taintedwisp | yEAH |
| 19:31.52 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:32.06 | Taintedwisp | I just need a screen that looks good |
| 19:32.19 | Taintedwisp | and matches Evolving |
| 19:45.35 | Zandose | after importing a model (.m3) and a texture (.tga) how do I use the actual model? While in triggers selecting a model to use I can't find it on the model list. |
| 19:46.24 | Saeris1 | you need to go into data and create a new model data entry and link it to the .m3 file before you can use it in triggers or actors |
| 19:46.34 | Zandose | ic |
| 19:46.36 | Zandose | ty |
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| 19:58.46 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:08.59 | Siretu | Anyone know how to play sounds with triggers without causing lots of network lag? |
| 20:11.39 | Taintedwisp | My computer mouse broke :( |
| 20:11.40 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:11.47 | Vindicator | i don't know how to play sounds with triggers that -does- create network lag |
| 20:11.55 | Vindicator | but "play sound" is what i use, simple as that |
| 20:12.31 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:12.40 | Vindicator | in my experience, the only thing that creates considerable lag with triggers is pathing. ordering many units to move takes a LOT of CPU power |
| 20:13.12 | Vindicator | now if your going to do 1000 of anything in a second, ya that'll create lag eventually, but if you're playing a few sounds every second, there should be no noticable lag from the sounds |
| 20:13.16 | Triceron | is there a better way to order units to move without triggers? |
| 20:14.08 | Vindicator | pathing in general, with or without triggers, is very processor intensive, there's just no way around it. that's why there's a footprint complexity bar for footprints in the data editor. complex footprints = more processing for pathing |
| 20:14.33 | Vindicator | so blizzard limits how complex footprints can be to limit the processing costs of pathing to some extent |
| 20:15.11 | Vindicator | someone on my team about a year ago showed me a wikipedia article explaining different methods of processing pathing and my jaw dropped. |
| 20:15.58 | Triceron | so I guess if you set units to path in waves, it's not as bad as if you did it all at once |
| 20:16.48 | Vindicator | the reason people's framerates drop in battles with a few hundred units isn't because your videocard cant handle it, it's because the pathing of all those units is bogging down your CPU so much, your CPU doesn't have the time to send 60 frames of info a second to your video card, so you're video card is kinda just sitting there waiting for information |
| 20:17.18 | Vindicator | that's true triceron |
| 20:17.46 | Vindicator | if you mean ordering 10 units at a time over every 10th of a second vs 100 units all at once, ya |
| 20:17.50 | Triceron | hmm, very useful information |
| 20:19.07 | Siretu | I've had problems with using the "Play Sound" action. |
| 20:19.20 | Siretu | when used a lot for sound effects and such |
| 20:19.46 | Vindicator | whats the problem you're experiencing? |
| 20:20.19 | Siretu | I was playing sounds with the "Play Sound" action a lot |
| 20:20.26 | Siretu | it resulted in 0-5 fps |
| 20:20.29 | Siretu | People were unhappy |
| 20:20.42 | Siretu | I removed the "Play sound"'s and the lag was gone |
| 20:20.48 | Siretu | This was a couple of months ago though |
| 20:20.51 | Vindicator | and that's all you removed huh? |
| 20:21.11 | Siretu | Basically |
| 20:21.32 | Siretu | A simple for loop through a player group that I'm sure had less than 10 players |
| 20:21.42 | Siretu | and a simple if-statement that compared two variables |
| 20:21.48 | Siretu | and the rest was play sound |
| 20:21.51 | Vindicator | i've never heard of that causing lag.. what was the event triggering the sounds? |
| 20:22.21 | Siretu | At the use of an ability |
| 20:22.24 | Vindicator | i currently have an issue with WASD movement and a loop in a game i'm working on that does the same thing - my guess is it's something with the loop. |
| 20:22.45 | Vindicator | and it doesn't do it on all computers which is odd |
| 20:22.53 | Siretu | and when the ability is used once a second, it causes insane lag |
| 20:23.12 | Siretu | It seemed to be an issue with syncing it with the different players to get it to play at the same time |
| 20:23.21 | Siretu | Because it got worse with more players |
| 20:23.32 | Siretu | and didn't cause an issue when playing it alone |
| 20:23.34 | Vailreth | hello im here |
| 20:23.49 | Vindicator | ... maybe it's looping once per player instead of once? |
| 20:24.21 | Siretu | It is looping once per player. |
| 20:24.48 | Vindicator | so that means 10x work with 10 players vs 1 player at least. .. hmm what does the loop accomplish? |
| 20:24.59 | Siretu | It plays a sound |
| 20:25.10 | Vindicator | but why's the loop necessary is what i'm trying to figure out |
| 20:25.14 | Vindicator | what's it's purpose |
| 20:25.26 | Siretu | Play sound differently based on variable value for player |
| 20:25.47 | Vindicator | how many possibilities are there for the variable value? |
| 20:26.06 | Siretu | 2 |
| 20:26.35 | Vindicator | fantastic, i'd just try an if then else instead of a loop then and see if that fixes it. "If var = possibility 1, then play sound 1, else play sound 2 |
| 20:27.03 | Siretu | And how would that work for several players? |
| 20:27.22 | Vindicator | is the variable an array for the multiple players? |
| 20:27.25 | Siretu | I cant play it for the player group since they all have different values |
| 20:27.26 | Siretu | Yes |
| 20:28.24 | Vindicator | ok, well i'd make the array[1] represent player 1 etc and then put a "pick each integer 1-10 (or whatever the max players is) and then say if var[picked integer] = possibility 1 then play sound 1, else play sound 2 |
| 20:28.38 | Vindicator | and as long as all that's in the pick each integer thing, boom, it's checking the state of each variable |
| 20:28.46 | Vindicator | for all players |
| 20:29.11 | Siretu | That's exactly what I have |
| 20:30.24 | Siretu | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/26163-does-playing-sound-cause-lag/ |
| 20:30.25 | Vindicator | well it only needs to be run once if it's like that right? not once per player |
| 20:31.07 | Siretu | The loop has to be run once, the play sound will have to be run once per player |
| 20:33.12 | Vindicator | i think i'm at a loss for this one then. the only way i could see sounds causing lag is if the sound asset(s) weren't loaded into RAM and they had to be loaded off the hard drive, but if that was the case, then it would only cause lag the first time or two, and after that everything should be good |
| 20:34.02 | Vindicator | i guess it's worth a shot to try to preload the sound assets ur using |
| 20:34.06 | Vindicator | but i dunno if that'll do it |
| 20:34.42 | Siretu | Yeah, thanks for the help anyway :) |
| 20:36.36 | Vindicator | something else you could do to try to pinpoint the issue is open task manager and see if your processing spikes in single player even though u don't experience slowdown yourself because if you see a spike and it keeps going for longer than a sound is playing or something like that, that could show you if something is sucking up processing power other than just playing the sound |
| 20:42.07 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmm, still there siretu? |
| 20:42.24 | DeadZergling | was just reading through your issue |
| 20:42.30 | Siretu | Yeah |
| 20:42.32 | Siretu | I am |
| 20:42.47 | DeadZergling | okay, so i can understand why you'd want to use a loop |
| 20:42.57 | DeadZergling | but one addition i'd suggest, since it is causing so much lag |
| 20:43.04 | DeadZergling | is have a region around the door |
| 20:43.15 | DeadZergling | and play the sound only for those in closer proximity |
| 20:43.39 | Siretu | (That post is not mine though, it was just to show another source of sounds causing network lag) |
| 20:43.46 | DeadZergling | ah, I see |
| 20:43.51 | DeadZergling | sorry :) |
| 20:44.06 | DeadZergling | what issue is yours exactly? |
| 20:44.18 | Siretu | In my case, the player group I'm looping through contains only the players who are supposed to hear the sound |
| 20:44.36 | Siretu | Sound were causing lag |
| 20:44.45 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm, is it really necessary to use a trigger to create the sound? |
| 20:44.50 | DeadZergling | I can think of data only solutions |
| 20:45.30 | DeadZergling | the sound is occuring when you cast a spell, right? |
| 20:45.34 | Siretu | Yes |
| 20:45.43 | DeadZergling | okay, and how many different sound possibilites |
| 20:45.46 | DeadZergling | are there? |
| 20:45.53 | Siretu | The problem with data only solutions is that my sounds are dependent on variables set by triggers |
| 20:46.05 | DeadZergling | that doesn't matter, is a way around that |
| 20:46.27 | DeadZergling | just hear me out for a bit, first I need to know how many sound possibilities there are though :) |
| 20:46.51 | Siretu | It's a custom function made to play sounds |
| 20:47.02 | Siretu | It works like normal, except it takes my variables into consideration |
| 20:47.23 | Siretu | which means it automatically only plays it for the right players, with different volume depending on their situation |
| 20:48.19 | DeadZergling | I see, just trying to understand why it can't be done using a few dummy upgrades and a switch effect |
| 20:48.35 | DeadZergling | could easily vary sounds using that |
| 20:49.04 | Siretu | Are you talking about a data/trigger mix? |
| 20:49.10 | DeadZergling | aye |
| 20:49.18 | DeadZergling | you use your variables to set the upgrades up |
| 20:49.28 | DeadZergling | then the ability uses a switch effect |
| 20:49.32 | DeadZergling | looking at your upgrades |
| 20:49.36 | DeadZergling | and plays a sound based on that |
| 20:50.19 | DeadZergling | well, i should say, it uses dummy effects |
| 20:50.23 | DeadZergling | and you can set sound actors up |
| 20:50.25 | DeadZergling | to watch for those |
| 20:50.56 | Siretu | Problem with that solution is that it's more work, every type of sound(as I said, it's a custom function to handle different kinds of sounds) would need to be fixed and added |
| 20:51.10 | Ahli | lag through sounds? :S I'm playing sounds through triggers, but never had any problem with that... |
| 20:51.12 | DeadZergling | just a thought, I don't pretend to know your project :) |
| 20:51.15 | Siretu | In that case, I'd rather skip the upgrades and create a sound actor with triggers(should be possible, I think) |
| 20:51.22 | DeadZergling | just trying to give you options around your lag |
| 20:51.43 | DeadZergling | that is also possible, might even work out if you use Renee's special mod |
| 20:51.47 | Siretu | Ahli: Are you playing sounds with triggers 1-2 times /second for 12 players? |
| 20:51.51 | DeadZergling | if you want it to only happen for certain players |
| 20:52.00 | Ahli | not that often... |
| 20:52.08 | Siretu | DeadZergling: I understand, I really appreciate that you're taking your time :) |
| 20:52.22 | Siretu | Ah, that shows actors for some player's only? |
| 20:52.33 | DeadZergling | yes, it does as I understand it |
| 20:52.42 | DeadZergling | can single out one player, or some of out of many |
| 20:52.45 | Siretu | I already have that implemented from his tutorial |
| 20:52.49 | DeadZergling | I haven't used it personally, but heard great things about it |
| 20:53.07 | Siretu | It is great, very simple to use when you've set it up. |
| 20:53.26 | Siretu | Anyway |
| 20:53.45 | DeadZergling | one thing I'm not positive on |
| 20:53.46 | Siretu | I am going to preload the sound and publish another version of my map |
| 20:53.52 | DeadZergling | is if that is true for sounds, or models only |
| 20:53.58 | Ahli | cow moo every few seconds, sounds for the playergroup, if a monster is in hit recovery... bow shots play through trigger.... hmmm, so under some circumstances I can have a few sounds, but not that many |
| 20:54.12 | Siretu | I didn't think of that solution(that I can publish another version of the map) before |
| 20:54.21 | Siretu | I was afraid to try to get the sounds to work again |
| 20:54.32 | Siretu | Because when I have a small and fragile community playing my map |
| 20:54.36 | Siretu | I don't want to kill it |
| 20:54.39 | Ahli | did you try to tick/untick stream in the sound? |
| 20:54.46 | DeadZergling | what map is your map anyways siretu? |
| 20:55.08 | Siretu | Problem with stream is that you can't play it several times at the same time |
| 20:55.09 | Siretu | Cruiser Command |
| 20:55.16 | Siretu | Published on EU and NA |
| 20:55.35 | DeadZergling | I see, maybe ill check it out sometime when I'm in themood to avoid my project |
| 20:55.43 | DeadZergling | I do that sometimes, lol |
| 20:55.44 | Siretu | You should be able to get a full game pretty easily in prime time |
| 20:55.47 | Siretu | : |
| 20:55.48 | Siretu | :) |
| 20:56.10 | DeadZergling | sure you understand how that goes, been trying to make it work for over 8 months now |
| 20:56.19 | Siretu | Yeah |
| 20:56.21 | DeadZergling | still an indescribable amount of work left to be done... |
| 20:56.40 | Siretu | Man, I could rant forever on how much work Cruiser Command is |
| 20:57.00 | Siretu | Having a community of 50+ people who are posting on your forum, talking to you on skype etc |
| 20:57.14 | Siretu | Makes the pressure even higher |
| 20:57.26 | Siretu | But I have university, a social life and a girlfriend |
| 20:57.43 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm, so your map is essentially star trek |
| 20:57.47 | Siretu | Hah, yeah |
| 20:58.03 | Siretu | The big thing is the focus on running around inside in addition to the space battle |
| 20:58.10 | DeadZergling | I got you beat, FT job and 3 kids |
| 20:58.12 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 20:58.20 | Siretu | Okay, I'll give you that one |
| 20:58.48 | Siretu | I'd say 99% of the people who play a couple of games and gets over the learning curve loves the game |
| 20:59.04 | Siretu | Almost entirely 5-star reviews on both EU and NA |
| 20:59.11 | ckSynergy | can I get some help writing a simple function (if anyone is a math major here)? |
| 20:59.13 | DeadZergling | cool stuff |
| 20:59.21 | Siretu | The 1-star reviews are almost only people who didn't understand how the game works |
| 20:59.23 | DeadZergling | im not a math major, but tutored math for 5 + years |
| 20:59.26 | DeadZergling | what's up ck? |
| 20:59.32 | ckSynergy | cool |
| 20:59.33 | Siretu | ckSynergy: Go ahead, I'm decent at math at least |
| 20:59.50 | ckSynergy | I need to rebuild a function I once had, but I cant remember the formula |
| 20:59.57 | ckSynergy | basically, I have a variable X which increments by 1 |
| 21:00.00 | DeadZergling | 42! |
| 21:00.06 | DeadZergling | sorry, lol :) |
| 21:00.10 | ckSynergy | ummm |
| 21:00.11 | Siretu | 43, duh |
| 21:00.12 | ckSynergy | ok lol |
| 21:00.14 | Siretu | It's incremented by 1 |
| 21:00.14 | ckSynergy | anyway |
| 21:00.21 | DeadZergling | yea sorry ck, continue |
| 21:00.46 | ckSynergy | I have a sequence of numbers and a variable. The sequence is stored to X and increments by 1. The variable Y is either 0 or 1 |
| 21:00.57 | ckSynergy | lets say the sequence is 1 2 3 4 5 |
| 21:01.14 | ckSynergy | now, if Y = 0, I need return that sequence |
| 21:01.26 | ckSynergy | if Y = 1, I need that sequence reversed |
| 21:01.48 | ckSynergy | I have a variable that counts the number of numbers in a sequence, so lets say Z = 5 in this case |
| 21:01.52 | Siretu | x = [1,2,3,4,5] |
| 21:02.16 | Siretu | f(x) = [1,2,3,4,5] if Y=0, otherwise, it's [5,4,3,2,1] |
| 21:02.22 | DeadZergling | well, sounds like you'll want to have an if statement based on the y, w/ 2 different while loops so far |
| 21:02.23 | ckSynergy | yes thats the gist |
| 21:02.29 | Siretu | for any sequence |
| 21:02.32 | ckSynergy | no while loops |
| 21:02.43 | ckSynergy | I know theres a formula. I built it once before, I just cant remember it |
| 21:02.54 | Siretu | The sequence is an array? |
| 21:03.04 | DeadZergling | is the sequence a set size, or can it be any size? |
| 21:03.36 | ckSynergy | something like: For each X: Blah[(Z-X)*Y] |
| 21:03.57 | DeadZergling | for each is a loop :P |
| 21:03.59 | ckSynergy | I know thats obviously wrong, but it gives you a basic idea what im looking for |
| 21:04.18 | ckSynergy | yea, im looping through an array |
| 21:04.22 | DeadZergling | right, i got you |
| 21:04.35 | DeadZergling | so x is an array itself right? |
| 21:04.46 | ckSynergy | no, X would be the array index |
| 21:04.52 | DeadZergling | could be 1, 2, 3, could be 5, 10, 3, 4? |
| 21:04.54 | DeadZergling | Okay |
| 21:05.10 | ckSynergy | X = array index, Y = array size, Z = variable 0 or 1 |
| 21:05.14 | DeadZergling | I nearly have a thought about that, just need to know where you getting the array from |
| 21:05.31 | DeadZergling | thought Y was 0 or 1, Z was array size? |
| 21:05.41 | ckSynergy | does it matter? lol |
| 21:05.52 | DeadZergling | although for a for each loop, you won't need an array size I don't think |
| 21:06.10 | ckSynergy | you need the array size to reverse the sequence |
| 21:06.17 | ckSynergy | I know that much |
| 21:06.37 | ckSynergy | Y-Z returns the inverse |
| 21:06.40 | ckSynergy | erm |
| 21:06.42 | ckSynergy | sorry |
| 21:06.48 | DeadZergling | is okay |
| 21:06.49 | ckSynergy | Y-X returns the inverse |
| 21:07.00 | ckSynergy | and just putting X returns the normal |
| 21:07.20 | ckSynergy | but I need to factor Z in there so I can control whether its Y-X, or just X |
| 21:07.40 | DeadZergling | I think I know how i'd resolve it, but I'd use while loops |
| 21:07.41 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 21:08.07 | ckSynergy | im using a pick each function |
| 21:08.10 | ckSynergy | that help? lol |
| 21:08.36 | DeadZergling | little bit, let me work it out as while loops first |
| 21:08.42 | DeadZergling | then ill try to move it over to pick each |
| 21:08.52 | Siretu | X[Z*Y-i*Y+i*(1-Y)] |
| 21:08.53 | Siretu | sec |
| 21:09.32 | DeadZergling | imagine there are many solutions to this one ck, lol |
| 21:10.37 | Siretu | X[Z*Y+i(1-2Y)] |
| 21:10.57 | Siretu | so |
| 21:11.04 | Siretu | for i in X: |
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| 21:11.17 | Siretu | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.27 | Siretu | python syntax |
| 21:11.35 | Siretu | but "for i in X" is a for each loop |
| 21:11.47 | Siretu | if X = [1,2,3] |
| 21:11.51 | Siretu | and Z = 1 |
| 21:12.19 | DeadZergling | hey ck, what is your name on sc2mapster |
| 21:12.25 | DeadZergling | can send you a text file of what i've thought up so far |
| 21:12.28 | DeadZergling | see if im anything close |
| 21:12.34 | ckSynergy | cksynergy on sc2m |
| 21:12.39 | Siretu | hmm |
| 21:12.41 | Siretu | doesn't work |
| 21:14.49 | DeadZergling | sent, I can't exactly test it as im at work for the next 5 hours, lol |
| 21:14.57 | DeadZergling | but that is the logic I'd use |
| 21:15.31 | Siretu | ah |
| 21:15.42 | A1win | what was the problem? |
| 21:15.59 | Siretu | talking about ckSynergy's problem :P |
| 21:16.01 | DeadZergling | actually, can scratch the return newarray at the end, i'd probably just alter a global array since I don't even know if sc2 lets you return arrays. |
| 21:16.03 | ckSynergy | I need a function that inverses an array |
| 21:16.08 | ckSynergy | and dead: no |
| 21:16.13 | ckSynergy | I'm looking for a 1 line function |
| 21:16.26 | Siretu | a 1-line function with a for-loop? >.< |
| 21:16.32 | A1win | if you want to do it in reverse, why not just loop from end to beginning |
| 21:16.33 | Siretu | for what language? |
| 21:16.37 | ckSynergy | galaxy |
| 21:16.38 | DeadZergling | 1 line function huh, unless there is a built in for that |
| 21:16.46 | A1win | for each integer from <end> to <start> with inrement -1 |
| 21:16.47 | ckSynergy | it's doable. Ive done it before lol |
| 21:16.52 | DeadZergling | well, i could remove all useful spacing |
| 21:16.53 | Siretu | I don't think galaxy has any good array support |
| 21:16.55 | DeadZergling | be 1 line then, lol |
| 21:16.58 | Siretu | for(int i = 0;i<=Z;i++;){ |
| 21:17.36 | Siretu | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.38 | Siretu | } |
| 21:17.46 | Siretu | Z is size-1 |
| 21:17.48 | DeadZergling | why do you keep wanting to print, lol |
| 21:17.51 | Siretu | to make stuff cleaner |
| 21:18.15 | ckSynergy | hold on that might work |
| 21:18.16 | Siretu | Because it's just to show how to make it get the values he want |
| 21:18.17 | ckSynergy | lemme factor it |
| 21:18.31 | A1win | oh right nevermind |
| 21:18.32 | Siretu | then he can use it to put it in whatever array he wants |
| 21:18.43 | Siretu | for X=[1,2,3] |
| 21:19.08 | ckSynergy | whats i? |
| 21:19.15 | Siretu | the for-loop's index |
| 21:19.16 | ckSynergy | nvm |
| 21:19.22 | Siretu | it will first print X[2*1+0(1-2*1)] = X[2] = 3 |
| 21:19.25 | Siretu | if Y = 1 |
| 21:19.56 | DeadZergling | for that |
| 21:20.01 | Siretu | then it will print X[2*1+1(1-2*1)] = X[2-1] = X[1] = 2 |
| 21:20.35 | DeadZergling | i am getting x[1] |
| 21:20.59 | DeadZergling | ah n/m |
| 21:21.14 | DeadZergling | too tired to spot 0s, lol |
| 21:21.23 | Siretu | finally, it will print X[2*1+2(1-2*1)] = X[2+(-2)] = X[0] = 1 |
| 21:21.32 | Siretu | So it works fine to print stuff backwards |
| 21:22.11 | Siretu | print X[Z*Y+i(1-2Y)] will become print X[i] for Y=0(simple math) |
| 21:22.19 | Siretu | which obviously prints the array the right way |
| 21:22.37 | ckSynergy | hold on lol |
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| 21:24.13 | ckSynergy | yea thats not gonna work |
| 21:25.49 | caz | can we not change the value of a parameter inside the function? |
| 21:26.01 | Siretu | Why isn't it going to work ckSynergy ? |
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| 21:26.53 | A1win | caz, nope >.> |
| 21:27.11 | caz | Alwin, lamesauce lol |
| 21:27.22 | caz | or A1win ? .. however u did ur name :P |
| 21:27.23 | ckSynergy | because it doesnt return the right values :P |
| 21:27.26 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 21:27.31 | ckSynergy | but I think I got it |
| 21:27.45 | Siretu | what input isn't it returning the right values for? |
| 21:27.46 | A1win | I decided to prefix my parameters with an underscore if I want to change the value, and just make a variable with the same name without the underscore (so that I can easily see that I'm using the right one) |
| 21:27.52 | Siretu | works fine for [1,2,3] at least |
| 21:27.57 | ckSynergy | abs((-Count * 0/1 Modifier) + Index) |
| 21:28.38 | Siretu | what is count? |
| 21:28.51 | ckSynergy | arraysize |
| 21:29.12 | Siretu | Doesn't work |
| 21:29.13 | caz | A1win, i wanted to change what value all my code was using for the parameter for a test. But i guess i'll have to do the same.. make a local variable and switch them all over to that during testing |
| 21:29.18 | Siretu | if 0/1 modifier is 1 |
| 21:29.22 | Siretu | and count is 4 |
| 21:29.33 | Siretu | oh wait |
| 21:29.39 | Siretu | I thought the abs was on just the product |
| 21:29.51 | ckSynergy | nope. abs() on the whole thing |
| 21:30.42 | Siretu | Yeah, seems to work |
| 21:30.44 | DeadZergling | works, but extra needless computations, boo :P |
| 21:30.52 | Siretu | That's similar to what I was going for |
| 21:31.03 | Siretu | Mine uses abs which in my opinion makes it more awesome |
| 21:31.08 | Siretu | easier to do algebra on later on |
| 21:31.09 | Triceron | wow... |
| 21:31.16 | Triceron | I've been saving out .dds on the wrong settings all this time |
| 21:31.21 | DeadZergling | could at least make a new variable = -count * 0/1 modifier |
| 21:31.25 | DeadZergling | and just use that every time |
| 21:31.29 | Siretu | Big size Triceron ? |
| 21:31.29 | DeadZergling | to avoid all that |
| 21:31.39 | Triceron | well, I think I've just improved my normal maps by 200% |
| 21:31.50 | Triceron | no, size was right. I was using a lower quality setting |
| 21:32.05 | Siretu | Anyway, when I'm already here asking questions. Anyone know how to remove the ugly N1, N2, N3.... hotkeys from the unit inventory? |
| 21:32.28 | Triceron | it kept makingmy alpha channels all messed up, which in turn messes up the team coloring and normal map information (makes em look choppy) |
| 21:32.32 | Siretu | I cant disable it in the items' face, because that's not the hotkey it's showing |
| 21:32.48 | Triceron | time to redo all of em |
| 21:33.46 | DeadZergling | can't say I envy you triceron |
| 21:34.02 | DeadZergling | redoing image settings is easy, but is lamesauce when you doing it 100s of times, lol |
| 21:34.06 | Triceron | well if it makes my units look better in the end |
| 21:34.22 | Triceron | yeah, I gotta do this to like 12 units |
| 21:34.26 | DeadZergling | aye, agreed |
| 21:34.36 | DeadZergling | is the whole point of using custom images |
| 21:34.39 | DeadZergling | better looks |
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| 21:35.45 | Bounty | Pew Pew |
| 21:35.59 | Triceron | tbh, at the camera distance of SC2, it probably won't even be noticable. But I might as well do this the right way |
| 21:36.17 | DeadZergling | could zoom in to show your extra work, lol |
| 21:36.26 | Bounty | So. Haunted Forest is apparently a success already haha |
| 21:36.32 | Bounty | 15 ppl in the chat |
| 21:36.36 | Bounty | and it was top 5 rated this morning |
| 21:36.43 | Triceron | yeah, I'd really like to have a 3rd person camera view |
| 21:36.44 | caz | what is it ? |
| 21:36.50 | caz | @Bounty |
| 21:36.56 | Triceron | but I'm still not confident about the whole wasd movement + lag |
| 21:36.57 | DeadZergling | adjutant chasing people around |
| 21:37.04 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L7HT76d1f4 |
| 21:37.07 | Bounty | ^ that |
| 21:37.15 | ckSynergy | yea |
| 21:37.21 | ckSynergy | a lot of people are talking about that map |
| 21:37.26 | Triceron | what is this? |
| 21:37.30 | Triceron | looks like a horror game |
| 21:37.36 | ckSynergy | the overall consensus is "I shit my pants" |
| 21:37.36 | Bounty | Because it is |
| 21:37.42 | Bounty | lol cksynergy |
| 21:37.44 | Bounty | pretty much |
| 21:37.51 | Bounty | i love when someone is the last one alive and they just quit |
| 21:37.54 | Bounty | out of fear |
| 21:37.55 | Triceron | AHHH |
| 21:38.12 | Triceron | that was scary! |
| 21:38.51 | DeadZergling | guessing no one has beaten it still |
| 21:38.58 | Bounty | I wonder how the map got so popular so fast |
| 21:39.00 | Bounty | really wierd |
| 21:39.02 | Bounty | oh its been beat |
| 21:39.05 | Bounty | barely |
| 21:39.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:39.08 | caz | where did the graphics come from ? |
| 21:39.13 | caz | trees, walls, caves |
| 21:39.18 | Bounty | sc2 |
| 21:40.13 | caz | interesting |
| 21:40.44 | DeadZergling | wouldn't shock me if the novelty wears off fast |
| 21:40.56 | DeadZergling | cool you can enjoy the spotlight bounty |
| 21:41.04 | DeadZergling | little odd it is for a NON featured map |
| 21:41.04 | Bounty | lol? |
| 21:41.17 | Bounty | i dont need anymore spotlight |
| 21:41.32 | caz | Id play it |
| 21:41.32 | Bounty | ppl still know me from doodad hunt so spotlight is the least of my concerns |
| 21:41.37 | caz | but i like to kill ppl |
| 21:41.51 | DeadZergling | maybe your featured map got people looking for your name more, and seeing haunted forest more? |
| 21:41.54 | caz | And yell noob frequently |
| 21:42.00 | Bounty | its not featured yet |
| 21:42.02 | Bounty | and caz |
| 21:42.08 | Bounty | i MIGHT add an alternate mode |
| 21:42.13 | Bounty | that someone plays as her |
| 21:42.17 | Bounty | instead of AI |
| 21:42.24 | Triceron | is there a way not to die? |
| 21:42.31 | Bounty | dont look at her |
| 21:42.41 | Triceron | so you can see her and still look away? |
| 21:42.45 | Bounty | yeah |
| 21:42.49 | Bounty | she has to be right in front of u |
| 21:42.57 | Triceron | ah |
| 21:42.57 | caz | she seemed quick |
| 21:43.02 | caz | in that vid |
| 21:43.16 | caz | did she warp on his ass =o ? |
| 21:43.18 | Bounty | she is but i also dodged her |
| 21:43.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:43.36 | Triceron | she's got zeratul's mad blink dash |
| 21:43.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:44.02 | caz | Btw |
| 21:44.07 | caz | why do so many in this irc |
| 21:44.09 | caz | hate AoS lol |
| 21:44.13 | caz | i <3 it :s |
| 21:44.46 | DeadZergling | AoS? |
| 21:45.58 | caz | the new name of Sotis |
| 21:46.08 | caz | Storm of the Imperial Sanctum ---> Aeon of Storms |
| 21:46.27 | DeadZergling | sotis must be the wc3 game of sorts |
| 21:46.35 | caz | its the dota style |
| 21:46.36 | DeadZergling | i ignored wc3 entirely, lol |
| 21:50.59 | DeadZergling | I don't think people hate on the project caz, I think they hate on the people behind it, lol |
| 21:52.57 | Triceron | ah it's renamed |
| 21:53.00 | Triceron | I wondered what happed to it |
| 21:53.36 | DeadZergling | I don't pretend to know the drama team AoS has made, just been reading about it in the forums |
| 21:54.45 | Triceron | wait isn't that a different project on the forums? |
| 21:55.16 | Vindicator | i get the feeling that popular maps get hate in general due to people putting their hearts into their own games and not achieving similar levels of popularity |
| 21:55.21 | DeadZergling | oh yea, AoS had this going on, lol |
| 21:55.32 | DeadZergling | "I apologize that contributed donations were not put to better use, due to incompetency of certain staff members. Thank you." |
| 21:55.42 | Vindicator | ouch |
| 21:55.43 | Vindicator | lol |
| 21:55.44 | DeadZergling | I remember the stink in forums over that earlier, lol |
| 21:56.29 | DeadZergling | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/39606-sot-is-dead/ |
| 21:56.47 | DeadZergling | people commenting on their rename move, and the bs they pulled |
| 21:56.51 | DeadZergling | kind of comical almost |
| 22:00.41 | DeadZergling | is some truth to that vindicator, can't say I know though |
| 22:00.58 | DeadZergling | I can live with the idea of only me and a few friends ever playing my map, but isn't true for everyone |
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| 22:01.54 | FockeWulf | Blizzard is gone? |
| 22:02.16 | FockeWulf | Were they on earlier? |
| 22:02.55 | Vindicator | not today |
| 22:03.21 | Triceron | they haven't been on in 2 weeks |
| 22:03.28 | Vindicator | that's not true lol |
| 22:03.41 | Vindicator | deletarius was here a couple days ago |
| 22:03.45 | Triceron | they been on since? |
| 22:03.50 | Triceron | hrm, really |
| 22:04.23 | Vindicator | well 3 days ago, friday evening |
| 22:04.33 | Vindicator | after work hours i think even |
| 22:05.28 | caz | idk but im gonna go get on AoS... kill ppl and yell noob alot |
| 22:05.45 | FockeWulf | Hes but on |
| 22:05.50 | FockeWulf | But has he said a damned thing? |
| 22:05.56 | FockeWulf | been on* |
| 22:06.04 | DeadZergling | yea, dele has been here fairly often |
| 22:06.27 | FockeWulf | But the others have completely disappeared eh? |
| 22:06.38 | Triceron | of the times i've been on in the last 2 weeks I haven't seen either of em |
| 22:06.38 | DeadZergling | not sure who they are |
| 22:06.41 | DeadZergling | so would guess yes, lol |
| 22:07.02 | Triceron | there was him and Artestru |
| 22:07.12 | Triceron | and supposed to be one more but I never seen that guy |
| 22:08.25 | Vindicator | they were just gone a few days after the release of pandaria |
| 22:09.40 | Triceron | lol |
| 22:12.02 | Triceron | okay finally almost done re-exporting these normal maps, urgh... |
| 22:25.06 | Triceron | woo! Can't tell a damn difference! -_- |
| 22:25.37 | DeadZergling | just as you predicted! |
| 22:27.28 | DeadZergling | are the files a little smaller size at least? |
| 22:35.48 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Units_ingametest_01.jpg |
| 22:35.58 | Triceron | nah, same size but supposedly better quality |
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| 22:45.33 | DeadZergling | well, im sure the female elves noticed the upgrade, lol |
| 22:55.40 | Triceron | hrm, looks like I need to make separate models for projectiles |
| 22:56.23 | Triceron | or I guess I could settle with trolls shooting laser beams and archers shooting missles |
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| 23:04.40 | DeadZergling | i dunno, if you went that far |
| 23:04.46 | DeadZergling | may as well make missiles too |
| 23:05.28 | Triceron | bigger missles |
| 23:06.05 | Triceron | hmm, maybe I should be lazy then and just make em throw smaller units |
| 23:08.45 | DeadZergling | i dunno, if you made throwing axes/arrows as projectiles, can see a lot of people reusing that in their projects if you wanted to release those |
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| 23:11.02 | Ahli | hmm, seems like I need to use invisible pylons for a power field. Adding the behavior for another player doesn't work. :( |
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| 23:39.03 | Saeris1 | units are looking great triceron |
| 23:39.12 | Triceron | thx |
| 23:42.58 | DeadZergling | aye they are, you planning on sharing them? lol |
| 23:43.45 | Taintedwisp | Well I got a mouse I can use for now |
| 23:43.51 | Taintedwisp | But tomorrow I will have to buy one |
| 23:44.36 | A1win | hmmh I should continue my project soon xO |
| 23:44.44 | Triceron | hard to say right now. Mod security is really the biggest issue for me right now |
| 23:44.50 | Triceron | but I do want to release em, yes |
| 23:44.52 | A1win | got more cool ideas but I need to start by making combat interesting :x |
| 23:44.59 | A1win | all my ideas are for larger scale stuff |
| 23:45.10 | A1win | long-term gameplay, that is |
| 23:45.36 | Taintedwisp | Whoever said HEY LETS MAKE A MINI MOUSE... should be shot ahhaah |
| 23:45.40 | A1win | which is good... but if short-term gameplay is crappy, no one wants to spend their time to realize how great the long-term stuff is :x |
| 23:46.17 | Triceron | I use a tablet |
| 23:46.21 | Triceron | less carpal tunnel |
| 23:46.36 | Taintedwisp | For gaming and mapping? I hate tablets though |
| 23:46.42 | Taintedwisp | No keyboard |
| 23:46.53 | Taintedwisp | And touchscreens always leave the screen looking dirty |
| 23:47.38 | Saeris1 | think he means a wacom tablet |
| 23:50.37 | Triceron | yeah just a regular wacom tablet, takes up as much space as a mousepad really |
| 23:51.15 | Triceron | though yeah, if you use it to play RTS I can see it being a bit tricky |
| 23:51.23 | Triceron | but I can play WoW fine with it |
| 23:52.05 | DeadZergling | WoW, surprised you have time to develop such great models w/ that time sink around, lol |
| 23:52.39 | Triceron | it's how I keep my sanity between all that texture converting -_- |
| 23:53.32 | Saeris1 | heh |
