00:09.43 | Skizot | man this is gonna be bad,..... |
00:09.57 | Skizot | I stopped believing this morning... journey is gonna be PISSED. |
00:11.38 | Bounty | Wanna play the feature ready version of Ling Ling Rocket, Taintedwisp? |
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00:11.47 | tordy | good evening |
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00:17.26 | Taintedwisp | YOu still there Bounty? |
00:17.30 | Taintedwisp | Sure if you are |
00:18.38 | Bounty | yeah |
00:18.39 | Bounty | lobby is up |
00:18.41 | Bounty | join up |
00:19.32 | Bounty | Taintedwisp |
00:19.33 | Taintedwisp | ok |
00:21.27 | Bounty | you coming or what |
00:22.20 | Bounty | Only 1 spot left Taintedwisp |
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00:46.16 | Taintedwisp | Aww bounty left/.. |
00:46.17 | Taintedwisp | haha |
00:46.29 | Taintedwisp | I had some of my Worthless Ideas to tell him :P\ |
00:51.16 | tordy | like |
00:55.35 | Taintedwisp | Things he shold do for Ling line thats all haha |
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00:56.20 | Taintedwisp | LIke a blocker, so if their are 3 arrows around a base , the 4th one that owuld block the last entrance when an arrow is placed their ir Removes one of the other 3 randomly. |
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01:48.09 | Bounty | Pew Pew |
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03:14.49 | Taintedwisp | Dannut,,,' |
03:14.52 | Taintedwisp | Dammit |
03:14.53 | Taintedwisp | lol |
03:14.56 | Taintedwisp | Hey bounty you there? |
03:15.06 | Bounty | Sadly |
03:15.18 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
03:15.47 | Bounty | Why? |
03:15.48 | Taintedwisp | hey for your ling ling, you should make it where if 3 sides of the base are covered up, and someone puts something on the 4th one of the other 3 sides randomly dissapear |
03:15.59 | Taintedwisp | That way people cant troll like I was doing earlier |
03:16.01 | Taintedwisp | :P |
03:16.01 | Bounty | Nah |
03:16.13 | Bounty | Only thing i might do is add the mechanic from the original |
03:16.19 | Taintedwisp | But on that one map, i can make it impossible for you to win |
03:16.21 | Bounty | Which was, the Colossi eat arrows |
03:16.23 | Taintedwisp | well on 2 of those maps |
03:16.28 | Taintedwisp | Yeah you could do that |
03:16.49 | Bounty | But it would not solve anything |
03:16.49 | Taintedwisp | That would might work, but i could still troll the hell outta you |
03:16.55 | Bounty | If someone wants to do that then w/e |
03:16.59 | Taintedwisp | Yeah |
03:17.01 | Bounty | Thats a very rare breed of douche |
03:17.09 | Taintedwisp | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/43035-hot-s-beta-update-3/?page=2#p38 |
03:17.13 | Taintedwisp | LAWL |
03:17.21 | Taintedwisp | The TainiusWispus? |
03:17.26 | Taintedwisp | that rare of a breed |
03:17.38 | Taintedwisp | I raged on that post haha |
03:17.42 | Taintedwisp | It is getting annoying though |
03:18.02 | Taintedwisp | That HoTS Multiplayer is crap... It really needs some improvements, it doesnt feel like an expansion at all |
03:18.06 | Bounty | So, i think i know what i want to do if i ever return to mapping |
03:18.08 | Taintedwisp | THe units are bland, and the gameplay is mostly unchanged |
03:18.51 | Taintedwisp | All the major stratagies are unchanged and Not very fun anymore, they are overused and boring in HoTS |
03:19.12 | Bounty | A Competitive Team and Dynamic Event Based Shooter RPG where the entire game world looks like a computer simulation |
03:19.14 | Taintedwisp | I dont see any of the new units besides the Mothership core, being used too much, and MAYBE the battle hellion |
03:19.19 | Bounty | So if i ever return to map making |
03:19.23 | Bounty | Thats what you can look forward to |
03:19.27 | Taintedwisp | lol |
03:19.46 | Bounty | The ultimate blend of pvp and pve |
03:20.04 | Taintedwisp | But yeah, HoTS is gunna suck... I still will get it I think, but if things continue down the path they have been, then I wont even worry about picking it up |
03:20.12 | Taintedwisp | IF THEY DONT CHANGE SOMETHING |
03:20.13 | Taintedwisp | lol |
03:20.27 | Bounty | I'm not buying it |
03:20.31 | Bounty | Blizz can give it to me if they want |
03:20.36 | Bounty | I think i deserve it |
03:20.45 | Taintedwisp | They need to really Scrap all the new multiplayer units, Re-attach the mothership core to the nexus, and maybe, just maybe keep the battlehellion, and just scrap the rest |
03:20.46 | Bounty | I would only want the assets anyway |
03:21.08 | Taintedwisp | It is just crap |
03:21.22 | Taintedwisp | The Devourer ripoffs suck |
03:21.29 | Taintedwisp | Well Ill brb |
03:21.32 | Taintedwisp | Switching rooms |
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10:22.25 | G0A | hmm how can I make footprint so it cant be placed buildings (with using shift build...) on it but units can past it? |
10:27.11 | G0A | ok, figured it out:D |
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11:42.53 | Deadzergling | hello, any devs or anyone alive at this hour? lol |
11:49.02 | Deadzergling | guess not, I'll try back tommorrow at a more reasonable hour |
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14:09.46 | zenxu | hiiiiii |
14:11.21 | A1win | improved my algorithm a bit, now it can make routes through buildings so that some of them can somtimes be only accessible by going through another building |
14:11.59 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/sc2/dc/m/map00024.html |
14:12.01 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/sc2/dc/m/map00025.html |
14:12.20 | A1win | not sure if that has examples of that situation though... |
14:14.13 | A1win | those maps are generated by galaxy script :x |
14:16.03 | A1win | damn still a bit buggy |
14:18.33 | ousnius | huh galaxy script can save html files? |
14:18.56 | A1win | :P no, I didn't say the file is generated by it |
14:19.10 | ousnius | :3 |
14:19.25 | A1win | the script just outputs the map as characters into the debugger, I copy them to a txt file and run a script that converts it into html |
14:58.54 | ousnius | http://soundcloud.com/deadvector/orchestral-05/s-c5tlk |
14:59.02 | ousnius | should I finish this for Bibendus' map? |
15:01.30 | zenxu | you make music? |
15:01.33 | zenxu | make some for me too :D |
15:01.37 | ousnius | T_T |
15:01.50 | zenxu | my project is better than anyone elses anyway :D |
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15:02.29 | zenxu | too bad my internetz not loading that |
15:02.32 | zenxu | so cannot listen to it :( |
15:03.25 | ousnius | it shouldn't be more than 1 mb |
15:03.46 | ousnius | 1,7 <.< |
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15:05.52 | ousnius | A few years ago, a Valve hire who had worked in special effects in Hollywood balked at wheeling his desk. The news reached Mr. Newell, who promptly picked up the desk himself and carried it to the new location, to the new employee’s embarrassment. |
15:05.56 | ousnius | XD |
15:15.21 | zenxu | finally got it loaded |
15:15.40 | zenxu | pretty interesting sound to it, I personally not sure if it fits to hive keeper thou |
15:15.58 | zenxu | sounds more like horror/dark dungeon theme |
15:16.22 | zenxu | while I think hive keeper is more like adventure dungeon |
15:16.25 | ousnius | he said it's exactly what he needs |
15:16.33 | zenxu | yes if thats what he thinks |
15:16.42 | zenxu | I dont agree with all his design choises anyway :D |
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15:19.13 | zenxu | you do make pretty good music |
15:21.08 | ousnius | http://soundcloud.com/deadvector/orchestral-06-private-wip/s-6jjpG another classic piece and some dubstep xDD http://soundcloud.com/deadvector/dubstep-wip-2-update-3 |
15:21.35 | Net_Creator | ousnius: +1 about that short story comment. |
15:22.04 | zenxu | I feel like some of those musics could fit my RPG |
15:22.04 | ousnius | yay |
15:22.16 | ousnius | I feel like NO I'M GOING |
15:22.20 | ousnius | :P |
15:22.29 | zenxu | but Im currently takeing a break from mapping so I guess music is not that important atm |
15:23.19 | ckSynergy | ousnius: You made these tracks? |
15:23.23 | ousnius | yea |
15:23.38 | ousnius | still practicing and buying stuff |
15:23.56 | ckSynergy | what software do you use |
15:24.03 | ousnius | fl studio producer edition |
15:24.31 | ousnius | native instruments massive, beyerdynamic dt-770 pro 250 ohm headphones and a midi keyboard |
15:24.41 | ousnius | edirol orchestral |
15:24.44 | ckSynergy | I see |
15:25.15 | ckSynergy | Proud of your headphones I see lol |
15:25.36 | ousnius | :3 |
15:25.50 | ckSynergy | I dont blame you. I'm the same way |
15:25.57 | ckSynergy | Not that I ever use em >.> |
15:26.23 | ousnius | I need a good mic for random recording/ sound fx |
15:26.31 | ousnius | but holy mother of god they're expensive |
15:26.41 | Tomura | what mics are pretty cheap |
15:26.46 | ckSynergy | mics arent cheap lol |
15:26.49 | ousnius | condenser mics?... |
15:26.53 | Tomura | in comparison to instruments |
15:26.57 | Tomura | -.- |
15:26.59 | ckSynergy | Not a good mic |
15:27.06 | ousnius | my e-guitar was 80$ |
15:27.10 | ousnius | and it's not bad |
15:27.11 | ckSynergy | Good mics run thousands |
15:27.21 | Tomura | oh yeah |
15:27.28 | Tomura | there also are mics like that |
15:27.43 | ckSynergy | I mean, yea I suppose you could always buy a $10 walmart mic lol |
15:27.44 | Tomura | hmm for vocals something like a shure sm58 would be sufficient |
15:27.53 | ousnius | yea I can't sing for shit tho |
15:27.54 | Tomura | at least for live performances |
15:28.03 | ckSynergy | :P |
15:28.03 | Tomura | or home studio quality recordings |
15:28.55 | Tomura | but yeah, you're right condenser mics are expensive |
15:29.06 | Tomura | if you want something decent |
15:31.01 | ousnius | recording footsteps with a mic? I use a synthesizer! http://soundcloud.com/deadvector/soundeffects-02/s-Vl0WC XD |
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15:31.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | Morning |
15:31.14 | ousnius | hi |
15:31.25 | ckSynergy | hey hey! |
15:31.27 | ckSynergy | youre back |
15:31.35 | ckSynergy | I thought Iiris ran yall off for good lol |
15:31.41 | Bommes | hello :) |
15:31.42 | Blizz-Deletarius | nope |
15:32.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | I told Iiris what to do for the animation stuff, it's up to him/her to do with that what they will |
15:32.32 | ckSynergy | yea. I think he got the hint when he got banned lol |
15:32.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | he did? |
15:32.46 | ckSynergy | oh yea |
15:32.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | from the forums or here? |
15:32.52 | ckSynergy | here |
15:32.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh |
15:32.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok |
15:33.06 | ckSynergy | yea, I dont know what you guys do on the forums lol |
15:33.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | what reasoning? |
15:34.23 | ckSynergy | He wouldnt stop asking the same thing. He harassed everyone here, then started spamming the same thing over and over "Still needs an animator" |
15:35.13 | ckSynergy | basically, he was trolling, whether intentional or not |
15:45.05 | ckSynergy | oh, Blizz-Deletarius, I've been meaning to ask, do you what approach Blizz DOTA uses for hero revive? Trigger or data-based? |
15:45.07 | Helral | meows |
15:45.15 | ckSynergy | yo yo yo helral! |
15:45.17 | ckSynergy | how goes it |
15:46.35 | Helral | hmmm meowish ;p |
15:47.38 | ckSynergy | you really like cats dont you? lol |
15:47.53 | ousnius | he is one |
15:47.57 | Helral | hmmmm mayb ;p or mayb I'm just one ;p |
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15:48.11 | Helral | ask purl, he knows if I'm a cat. ;p |
15:48.14 | Blizz-Deletarius | Dogs > Cats, that is all |
15:48.25 | Blizz-Deletarius | what's a Blizz DOTA? |
15:48.43 | zenxu | are you trollin or just uneducated? |
15:49.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | about what? |
15:49.21 | Helral | Blizz-Deletarius: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6_IUZ07buc ;p |
15:49.23 | Blizz-Deletarius | http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/6f/ec/6fec8b_3033619.jpg <-why dogs are better than cats |
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15:49.49 | tordy | good morning friends and co-mappers! |
15:50.05 | Helral | I see only 1 reference about dogs in that picture and a dozen of cats :) so cats are better. |
15:50.13 | zenxu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpHWXAt7B_0 |
15:52.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | anyway, am I trolling or uneducated about what? |
15:52.22 | zenxu | blizz dota |
15:52.26 | zenxu | you asked about it before |
15:52.30 | Bommes | its called blizzard allstars |
15:52.38 | Blizz-Deletarius | no I'm saying there's no such thing as a blizzard dota |
15:52.40 | Bommes | not blizzard dota(tm) |
15:52.52 | zenxu | it was called that before so what does it matter |
15:52.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | there's a Blizzard AllStars |
15:52.59 | Helral | zenxu: http://tweakers.net/nieuws/81932/blizzard-hernoemt-dota-naar-all-stars.html |
15:53.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | well |
15:53.07 | Helral | ow wait dutch link ;p |
15:53.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | it does matter |
15:53.42 | zenxu | lol |
15:53.53 | zenxu | Im gona sue you if you mention blizzard dota |
15:53.56 | zenxu | you cannot use the word |
15:54.00 | zenxu | it was a trap |
15:54.29 | Bommes | beware the lightbulblings http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9962/SC2%202012-09-24%2017-51-05-75.png |
15:55.08 | Helral | Bommes: sniping practise, shoot the lightbulbs and enjoy the fireworks. |
15:56.05 | Bommes | indeed |
15:56.15 | Bommes | use the fireworks as a death animation |
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15:59.54 | ckSynergy | lol |
16:00.00 | ckSynergy | Let me rephrase |
16:00.16 | ckSynergy | oh, Blizz-Deletarius, I've been meaning to ask, do you what approach Blizzard "All-Stars"(tm) uses for hero revive? Trigger or data-based? |
16:00.27 | ckSynergy | *do you know |
16:01.02 | ckSynergy | oh, wait, damn, I added a hyphen. There is no Blizzard "All-Stars". |
16:01.10 | ckSynergy | I meant "Blizzard AllStars" |
16:01.12 | ckSynergy | is that right? lol |
16:02.22 | ckSynergy | but really, thats such a technicality (and BS). DOTA has become a coined term like "photoshopping". |
16:02.49 | ckSynergy | I cant believe valve tried(did?) copyright it |
16:04.46 | ousnius | they did |
16:04.47 | ckSynergy | trying to copyright technology concepts is an all around bad idea. Want proof? Look at TiVo. They've only survived this long due to lawsuits for patent infringement. Their software, from what I understand, is incredibly outdated. |
16:05.23 | ckSynergy | I dont see how you can copyright a "fast-forward" button, but somehow they did it |
16:06.53 | Bommes | still you won't see for example a "Microsoft Photoshop" |
16:07.32 | Bommes | even if photoshopping is widely accepted term for modifying images |
16:07.37 | ckSynergy | No, but if you need to edit an image, are you gonna say "hold on, Im gonna MS Paint this real quick" |
16:08.10 | ckSynergy | lol |
16:08.11 | Bommes | I mean thats just a reason for Valve to copyright the term Dota |
16:08.25 | ckSynergy | Oh, that makes me think |
16:08.27 | Bommes | I don't see dota as such an accepted term though |
16:08.49 | ckSynergy | If valve copyrighted it, isnt blizzard infringing on that copyright by allowing map makers to post "DOTA" on their maps? |
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16:09.26 | mille25 | hi |
16:09.28 | ckSynergy | hi |
16:09.32 | ousnius | hi |
16:09.44 | ckSynergy | woulda been better with "hey" |
16:09.59 | ousnius | we gonna punch anyone who doesn't say hi now |
16:10.04 | ousnius | everyone |
16:10.05 | mille25 | Blizz-Deletarius: take a look at this thread: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/43399-experiencing-desyncing-issues-with-3-players/#p5 |
16:10.27 | mille25 | yeah sorry... usually i always say "hey" |
16:10.37 | mille25 | but i was like... why not try smth different today? :D |
16:10.58 | Blizz-Deletarius | hmmm |
16:11.02 | ckSynergy | lol |
16:11.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | have him submit a bug to the forums |
16:11.26 | Blizz-Deletarius | that way we'll have our QA team take a look at it |
16:11.36 | mille25 | Blizz-Deletarius: yeah thats what i did haha |
16:11.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | saw that, thanks :) |
16:12.01 | mille25 | just wanted to make sure you guys notice it |
16:12.05 | mille25 | since its a pretty serious issue |
16:12.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | I really need to make an account for me w/the deletarius name...cause I can't post under my normal name there as a "Blizzard" representative/employee |
16:13.19 | mille25 | you are not allowed to post on mapster? |
16:13.38 | Blizz-Deletarius | no, sorry, I meant that I have a normal account on mapster |
16:13.46 | Blizz-Deletarius | but it isn't named Deletarius |
16:13.51 | mille25 | oh |
16:14.05 | ckSynergy | You can request a name change |
16:14.08 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's my account from before I even started at Blizzard |
16:14.12 | Blizz-Deletarius | post history |
16:14.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | etc |
16:14.32 | Blizz-Deletarius | and I'd like to keep that account anyway to maintain some level of anonymity |
16:14.41 | ckSynergy | Dont blame you |
16:14.53 | Blizz-Deletarius | I have my own custom maps you know ;) |
16:14.54 | ckSynergy | "HEY, YOU WORK FOR BLIZZARD! FIX THIS FOR ME NAO!" |
16:15.03 | ckSynergy | No wai O.o |
16:15.04 | Blizz-Deletarius | ^ |
16:15.25 | mille25 | yeah for some reason most people think that people at blizzard must know each single detail about the editor and can fix all problems instantly :P |
16:15.34 | Blizz-Deletarius | right |
16:15.39 | ckSynergy | yea, most people arent as dedicated as me ;) lol j/k |
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16:16.06 | Vailreth | sigh i got into borderlands a little late for mutiplayer i guess... |
16:16.17 | mille25 | so, are you guys at blizzard excited for the mop launch tonight? |
16:16.22 | ousnius | borderlands 1? don't play it with strangers |
16:16.23 | ousnius | ever |
16:16.45 | Blizz-Deletarius | yep :) unfortunately I won't be attending the launch, but, wish I could be |
16:16.52 | mille25 | i will |
16:16.58 | mille25 | its just 5:45 hours for EU left :D |
16:17.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | cool - enjoy :) |
16:17.17 | Vailreth | launch what launch? |
16:17.23 | zenxu | Still havent played Wow |
16:17.23 | Blizz-Deletarius | I already looked through the CE book and watched the behind the scenes videos as well |
16:17.23 | mille25 | played wow since release date (classic), but had alot of breaks between |
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16:17.37 | Vailreth | oh Mists right |
16:17.41 | Vindicator | I have every collector's edition ;) |
16:17.45 | Blizz-Deletarius | nice |
16:17.46 | Kueken | :-* |
16:17.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | I have all but the original |
16:18.04 | Vailreth | i was invited into the Mists Beta but i dont like wow.. |
16:18.06 | Kueken | so, I played the SC2 campaign yesterday |
16:18.18 | mille25 | hi kueken |
16:18.26 | Vailreth | hey Kueken |
16:18.29 | Kueken | anyone remember the mission, where tychus wrecks some bases? |
16:18.36 | Vailreth | yes |
16:18.37 | Kueken | it seems to be bugged currently |
16:18.49 | Vailreth | how so? |
16:18.51 | Kueken | he doesn't launhc his nuke on the last base anymore |
16:19.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | maybe he got a change of heart |
16:19.08 | Kueken | and just stops attacking, so you have to clean it manually |
16:19.17 | Vailreth | maybe the latest patch broke his brain |
16:19.31 | Kueken | yeah, happens, right? ;) |
16:19.32 | mille25 | you know what just went through my mind? |
16:19.44 | Vailreth | what? |
16:19.44 | Kueken | do I want to know? ;) |
16:19.45 | mille25 | im sorry for the guy that needs to play the whole campaign before each patch |
16:19.48 | mille25 | to make sure it still works :D |
16:20.10 | Kueken | well, probably, there is no such guy :D |
16:20.15 | mille25 | seems like |
16:20.19 | mille25 | but there should be :D |
16:20.30 | Bommes | so you could pity him? |
16:20.32 | Kueken | yeah, thought about that myself once |
16:20.33 | Bommes | or why? :D |
16:20.39 | Helral | mille25: you got it wrong they have 1 person per mission ;p |
16:20.45 | Vindicator | i'd say worst case scenario they have a few people on a QA team each play one level |
16:21.08 | ousnius | "hey you, play through the campaign to make sure it does still work" "ok" |
16:21.14 | ousnius | *plays borderlands 2 instead* |
16:21.21 | mille25 | "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT AGAIN" |
16:21.27 | Kueken | also in the "A Sinister Turn" mission, the hybrid occasionally gets stuck |
16:21.28 | mille25 | "fuck... a new patch." |
16:21.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | I didn't get borderlands2 cause I was kinda bored with BL1 |
16:21.40 | Kueken | then he stands on one spot for a couple of minutes |
16:21.52 | Helral | mille25: no not a new patch.... a new nightly build ;p |
16:21.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | I got mad moxxie's, played about 1 hour or so, and stopped playing |
16:21.57 | Vailreth | i got borderlands 1 because i want borerlands 2 |
16:21.57 | mille25 | i also feel sorry for dogmai |
16:22.05 | mille25 | seems like tofu ALWAYS breaks |
16:22.05 | mille25 | haha |
16:22.12 | Kueken | Blizz-Deletarius: Should I write a post about this? |
16:22.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | go ahead :) |
16:22.32 | Kueken | or do you just pass it along ;) |
16:22.37 | Kueken | <- lazy |
16:22.47 | Vindicator | Deletarius: Is there a way to make dialogs update more than once every 0.0625 seconds? I noticed that if you attach a dialog to a unit it'll move at 60fps with a unit soo I was wondering if there's something I might be missing to do other things at 60fps |
16:22.57 | ousnius | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpvnW_4fcac this is me, except for mapping :D |
16:23.22 | mille25 | Vindicator: no. max is 32fps for triggers. |
16:23.23 | Blizz-Deletarius | as in update the position of a unit more than 1x each 0.0625 seconds? |
16:23.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | nm |
16:23.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | there you go |
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16:23.58 | ousnius | you can't update anything more often than 0.0625 sec :P |
16:23.59 | Taintedwisp | HA!!! |
16:24.05 | mille25 | Vindicator: you can achieve 32 fps by using a while loop with a zero second wait |
16:24.18 | Taintedwisp | My Blizz Dance worked!!!!!!! |
16:24.21 | mille25 | min wait is 0.0325 |
16:24.22 | Taintedwisp | :P |
16:24.28 | mille25 | oh no |
16:24.32 | mille25 | 0.03125 |
16:24.33 | mille25 | haha |
16:24.53 | Kueken | but note, that a 0.03125 wait is only achieved by waiting 0 seconds |
16:25.09 | Kueken | and value higher than 0 will result in a 0.0625 wait |
16:25.13 | Vindicator | u sure? it used to be 18fps or 0.0625 i thought, even when waiting 0 seconds |
16:25.16 | mille25 | what?! really? WTF :D |
16:25.28 | mille25 | i constantly use < 0.0625 waits |
16:25.29 | mille25 | fuck! :D |
16:25.52 | Taintedwisp | Thats cause you suck.. |
16:25.53 | Taintedwisp | ll |
16:25.54 | ousnius | lolz I'm smarter than you |
16:26.02 | Kueken | also, for most practical purposes, you won't be able to notice a difference between 0.0625 and 0.03125 |
16:26.06 | mille25 | :'( |
16:26.07 | Taintedwisp | Hey Vailreth, hows Borderlands goin? |
16:26.07 | Vindicator | bs lol |
16:26.17 | Vindicator | 18fps vs 32 fps is a big difference |
16:26.21 | Kueken | but |
16:26.32 | Helral | 0.03125 = trigger speed, 0.0625 = UI update moments. |
16:26.35 | Vailreth | pretty good, but i got the map back from soulcarverr lastnight |
16:26.37 | Kueken | many game functions only update at 0.0625 themselves |
16:26.49 | Kueken | so you will end up updating 2 times within 1 game update |
16:26.58 | Kueken | so 1 of your own updates is just skipped |
16:26.59 | ousnius | ^ smarter than me |
16:27.11 | Vailreth | though i do wish i knew some people with the steam version of borderlands and who were willing to coop |
16:27.21 | Kueken | try alternating the position of a unit between 2 points at 0.03125 |
16:27.28 | ousnius | I would but I lost control of my life and have to map |
16:27.32 | Kueken | you will see it at one position the entire time |
16:27.32 | Blizz-Deletarius | well here's a question then, would you say that being able to attach a dialog to a unit would be beneficial? |
16:27.34 | ousnius | sorry Vailreth |
16:27.35 | Taintedwisp | Wait... you got the map back? AWESOME |
16:27.36 | Taintedwisp | Can you throw a copy in the question |
16:27.48 | A1win | almost everything in SC2 happens on 0.0625 sec intervals, there's some faster stuff like something related to missiles... |
16:27.50 | Taintedwisp | Yes Blizz-Deletarius very much so |
16:27.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | fair enough |
16:27.58 | Taintedwisp | For Heroes and Bosses |
16:28.02 | Taintedwisp | mainly |
16:28.02 | Blizz-Deletarius | I'll write down the suggestion |
16:28.05 | Taintedwisp | and other Event type units |
16:28.09 | Vindicator | deletarius: you can already do it |
16:28.19 | Taintedwisp | Plus Then I could make a Board game :D |
16:28.30 | Vindicator | it was added in 1.5 |
16:28.44 | ousnius | that moment |
16:28.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | ahh, right |
16:29.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | attach dialog to unit |
16:29.14 | Blizz-Deletarius | attach dialog to dialog (yo dawg) |
16:29.22 | ousnius | well write a suggestion for "attach unit to dialog" o_O |
16:29.30 | Kueken | I believe, he just said, that attach dialog to unit updates at a faster rate already, it seems, and he would like that for normal dialogs ^^ |
16:29.37 | Kueken | however |
16:29.39 | Vindicator | exactly |
16:29.53 | Blizz-Deletarius | afk - meeting |
16:29.53 | Taintedwisp | Hey Deletarius, I know this is very stupid, But something else that would be great(people can already ban others so not for that -_- i hate banning), But I would like it if I could Type it so that if a User with a certain name enters the game then I can do actions |
16:29.59 | Taintedwisp | Ah okie have a good meeting |
16:30.01 | mille25 | fuck |
16:30.02 | mille25 | kueken was right :D |
16:30.05 | mille25 | just testd it |
16:30.06 | Kueken | afaik attaching dialogs to units causes the engine to interpolate the position, instead of causing a higher update rate |
16:30.08 | mille25 | thats weird... |
16:30.12 | Vindicator | because when you move your unit around, the dialog moves with the unit super smooth, so it's like why can't we do other things that smooth |
16:30.18 | Kueken | mille25: another funny thing |
16:30.25 | Kueken | test another unit attacking the unit |
16:30.50 | Kueken | it will always shoot the 2nd position |
16:30.54 | Vindicator | Kueken - you're saying the video card "blends" and inserts frames in between? |
16:31.06 | Kueken | Vindicator: you could say that |
16:31.50 | Kueken | we could probably need a "move dialog blend" function or something |
16:31.53 | Taintedwisp | But yeah Vailreth, update the DropBox folder if you would :D |
16:31.54 | Bommes | Kueken: You mean the position where the unit is not? |
16:32.00 | Kueken | exactly |
16:32.04 | Bommes | hmm |
16:32.05 | Vailreth | the file is on its way |
16:32.10 | Kueken | its not that the unit is never in that spot |
16:32.24 | Kueken | in fact, it alternates the position every 0.03125 as expected |
16:32.28 | Kueken | but |
16:32.32 | A1win | I think it works now... hopefully http://a1win.pp.fi/sc2/dc/m/map00027.html |
16:32.33 | Taintedwisp | KK |
16:32.43 | Kueken | the visuals are only updated every other frame |
16:32.55 | Kueken | and the data stuff as well, but with 1 frame difference |
16:33.02 | Bommes | but apparently the attack orders are getting updated at the alternated time |
16:33.04 | Bommes | to the actors |
16:33.13 | Bommes | otherwise it would make no sense to always attack the 2nd position |
16:33.16 | Bommes | it would attack the 1st one too |
16:33.23 | Bommes | yeah |
16:33.27 | Kueken | so for the attack target, its always at one of the positions, but for the actor, its always at the other |
16:33.55 | Bommes | I think the weirdest part about that is |
16:33.58 | Bommes | that you can use a 0 second wait |
16:34.04 | Bommes | to wait 0.03125 seconds |
16:34.04 | Bommes | lol |
16:34.10 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/sc2/dc/m/map00028.html |
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16:34.16 | Bommes | didnt know that |
16:34.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | back |
16:34.20 | Kueken | yes, and a 003125 wait waits 0.0625 seconds _D |
16:34.30 | mille25 | quick meeting, Blizz-Deletarius |
16:34.40 | Vailreth | that taco was haunting our dropbox folder... |
16:34.41 | Kueken | hi, your fired, bye |
16:35.05 | ousnius | "alright let's start this meeting. u guys still alive?" "ye." "ye." "ye." "ok bai" |
16:35.09 | A1win | Kueken, it seems like it waits for 0.0625 because game time only updates every 0.0625 sec |
16:35.21 | mille25 | i bet it was one of those meetings where dustin wears a hat |
16:35.32 | mille25 | and there is beer |
16:35.40 | zenxu | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe5akT--B4I |
16:35.42 | Kueken | A1win: what do you meaǹ? |
16:35.45 | zenxu | I guess they show something about mop there |
16:36.11 | mille25 | great thing is |
16:36.14 | mille25 | i still got holidays atm |
16:36.17 | mille25 | so i can play all night :D |
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16:36.23 | cryptrat | Is it not possible for a structure to power itself? |
16:36.34 | Kueken | if you run a 0 wait and a 0.03125 wait parallel to each other, you can clearly see the 0 wait waiting half the amount of time |
16:36.44 | A1win | oh |
16:36.49 | mille25 | yeah just tested it, Kueken is right. |
16:36.53 | mille25 | but i think its kinda weird |
16:36.56 | A1win | yeah I was talking about 0 sec wait (which is actually 0.03125) |
16:36.57 | Kueken | it is |
16:37.06 | mille25 | especially that you cant wait 0.05 secs for example |
16:37.07 | Bommes | mille25: you think? :D |
16:37.08 | mille25 | thats confusing |
16:37.17 | Bommes | thats probably because it is |
16:37.20 | mille25 | i use 0.05 sec waits sometimes |
16:37.21 | mille25 | that sucks. |
16:37.32 | Helral | *meeting starts* "welcome to the meeting, but I didn't have time to prepare so we'll postpone it to tomorrow." *meeting ends* |
16:37.36 | Helral | meows innocently |
16:37.42 | Bommes | I do too but only because I'm too lazy to type in 0.0625 |
16:37.42 | Kueken | cryptrat: what do you mean? You want the building to generate power and to use power? |
16:38.01 | Kueken | why does it need to use power then? just make it generate, and function at all times |
16:38.15 | cryptrat | I want a unit to be underpowered unless a specific unit type comes in range. |
16:38.32 | Kueken | make that unit type generate power? ;) |
16:38.36 | cryptrat | I'm currently trying to apply Power Source to the unit with the Power requriement with a behavior |
16:38.49 | Helral | cryptrat: just use a validator to check units in range. |
16:38.57 | ousnius | any sc2 model I could use to put under pickups and change the colors to make them more visible? |
16:39.02 | Helral | ah well *off to watch anime* |
16:39.04 | Taintedwisp | TACO JPG!!!! NOOOO |
16:39.20 | Kueken | ousnius: protoss decal? |
16:39.35 | Kueken | omnilight? |
16:39.40 | Vindicator | the way i understand it is that triggers update as often as game ticks, a tick being 0.0625 seconds. this means that the engine can't really tell anything to happen in increments other than this and that all waits are rounded to the nearest 0.0625 increment. also this leads me to believe that your triggers all have 0.0625 seconds to process something in a tick before lag will occur from too many triggers. |
16:39.49 | Vailreth | sorry |
16:39.54 | Taintedwisp | Vailreth... you Son a bitch... you killed the Taco.JPG!!!!! |
16:39.55 | Taintedwisp | hahahaha |
16:39.56 | cryptrat | I guess I'm just worried about changing power things too much and not being able to get the depower animation. |
16:39.56 | Bommes | ousnius: Omnilights, Selection Actors, decals |
16:39.58 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
16:39.59 | ousnius | omnilight only shows for higher graphics settings |
16:40.06 | Bommes | Omnilights are pretty heavy for performance though |
16:40.08 | Bommes | and only visible on high |
16:40.33 | Kueken | the campaign marker bracket thingies |
16:40.40 | Bommes | I would use selection actors |
16:40.55 | Kueken | or as I like o call them, the "put siegetank here-squares" |
16:41.02 | Kueken | *to |
16:41.15 | Taintedwisp | Hey Deletarius, are you here right now? |
16:41.21 | Vindicator | he's in a meeting |
16:41.30 | Kueken | highlight him properly, maybe he answers |
16:41.56 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/sc2/dc/m/map00029.html could use a bit less groovy tunnels maybe :P not really sure how to make it so efficiently enough |
16:42.06 | Taintedwisp | Nah its not that important Kueken |
16:42.18 | A1win | I guess I'll just use smaller maps and not care D: |
16:42.20 | Kueken | ...so you highlight me instead :D |
16:42.22 | Vindicator | anyone know how to use dialog item rotate or is that a question for Deletarius when he gets back? |
16:42.32 | Taintedwisp | yeah he said he got back from the meeting already haha |
16:42.36 | ousnius | no he's already back I think |
16:42.37 | Kueken | How to use it? |
16:42.49 | Kueken | it was pretty straightforward when I used it |
16:42.53 | mille25 | Vindicator: i believe it just works for images. |
16:42.58 | ousnius | hiw are the selection actors called? |
16:43.00 | Kueken | however, it doesn't work on all dialog items |
16:43.01 | ousnius | how* |
16:43.13 | Vindicator | i think i've tried images and i see nothing happen to them =/ for years lol |
16:43.17 | Taintedwisp | Blizz-Deletarius, Any ideas why My map wont load directly from the file? It opens a blank editor then I have to manually open it from there |
16:43.25 | Bommes | ousnius: Actors of type selection |
16:43.27 | Kueken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khQYdYopiJg |
16:43.31 | Bommes | they are no models, they are built into the game |
16:43.33 | Kueken | uses dialog item rotation |
16:43.34 | Taintedwisp | This has been happening since patch 2 of HoTS i think |
16:43.43 | Taintedwisp | Well since around that time |
16:43.44 | ousnius | oh k |
16:43.44 | Bommes | they are the circles that show up when you select a unit, you can make custom ones |
16:43.49 | Vindicator | taintedwisp - this happens to me on non HotS too |
16:44.01 | Taintedwisp | Yeah its on WoL editor |
16:44.04 | Taintedwisp | But its been since that patch |
16:44.06 | mille25 | i just drag and drop my maps |
16:44.10 | mille25 | that always works |
16:44.15 | mille25 | and i dont need to click through all folders |
16:44.34 | Bommes | you can either make them crescent and fading or you can make them a circle where you can specify the size, the rotation speed, the number of parts and how much of the circle is used |
16:44.52 | Vindicator | when i open the editor it shows the most recently opened maps when you click "file" so thats how i go about things |
16:45.03 | cryptrat | So I want the power/depower animations to remain the same, but need a unit (regardless of owner) to "turn the structure on" when near it. |
16:45.06 | Kueken | this only happened to me with maps that used mods |
16:45.15 | Kueken | especially when the mod was missing |
16:45.32 | cryptrat | I'm basically trying to make the Photon cannon work like the Xel'Naga watchtower minus the ownership change |
16:45.59 | Kueken | cryptrat: you can handle the animation in the actors and the "turn on" with behaviors |
16:46.02 | Blizz-Deletarius | as in make a photon cannon give vision? |
16:46.13 | Kueken | you don't necessarily need the power |
16:46.37 | Kueken | Taintedwisp: hes here ;) |
16:46.48 | Blizz-Deletarius | also, I don't know about that |
16:46.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | re: the map thing |
16:47.29 | Taintedwisp | WOW |
16:47.47 | cryptrat | No, as in a photon cannon be unpowered until a marine comes into range. |
16:47.55 | Taintedwisp | YO VAILRETH!!!, you should really make a video of that Hero Select the Newest version... I love it!!!!. |
16:48.20 | Taintedwisp | I would make a version but low graphic settings and Close up units make it look like shit haha |
16:48.23 | Vailreth | i will when we get the heros completed |
16:48.26 | cryptrat | Unfortunately, Power Source behavior isn't really working for me. I'll have more time to mess around later today. |
16:48.28 | Taintedwisp | Video - not version |
16:48.31 | Taintedwisp | Okay sounds Great |
16:50.56 | Taintedwisp | Oh yeah Blizz-Deletarius I am sure that someone has already told you this, But just in case, Is that stuff about the Editor having to be online at all times real, or just a bug? because my internet goes out Frequently and I edit to pass the time when I have nothing better to do, but now I cant do that |
16:51.29 | Vindicator | Deletarius: Do you know how the trigger action "Set dialog item rotation" works? I haven't been able to get it to work for literally years and would like to know if i'm doing something wrong. |
16:52.24 | mille25 | Vindicator: it works but just for images. |
16:52.31 | Vindicator | just tried, it doesn't |
16:52.36 | Vindicator | if u know how i'm all ears tho |
16:52.51 | mille25 | for sure it works |
16:52.54 | mille25 | i use it all the time |
16:53.05 | mille25 | you select the dialog item and specify the angle |
16:53.08 | mille25 | 0-359 |
16:53.18 | mille25 | not sure where the problem is? |
16:53.39 | Vindicator | ok so i have a dialog item image, i set it's rotation to 90, nothing happens (specified via a variable this image is set as). i also try hiding the image and showing it after rotating and that doesn't work either |
16:53.50 | Vailreth | wow he really improved on my idea .. |
16:53.59 | Kueken | then I blame your code ;) |
16:54.09 | Kueken | upload an example map of it not working |
16:54.32 | Kueken | as I posted some lines before: |
16:54.32 | Kueken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khQYdYopiJg |
16:54.39 | Kueken | uses the set rotation |
16:54.46 | Kueken | and as you can see, it works well |
16:54.53 | Taintedwisp | Vailreth did you just not look at it? |
16:54.59 | Vindicator | ya i remember seeing that a long time ago actually and was wondering how u got that to work |
16:55.01 | Taintedwisp | Now* |
16:55.03 | Taintedwisp | not not |
16:55.12 | Vailreth | yeah i just now had the chance |
16:55.16 | Taintedwisp | HAHAHA |
16:56.57 | ducky_ | vindicator, you're using image of normal type or border/endcap/other type? :O |
16:57.24 | Vindicator | it's a horizontal border actually i think that i'm trying today.. is that the problem!? |
16:57.42 | Vindicator | it is isn't it |
16:57.45 | ducky_ | I think you can rotate only normal images |
16:57.57 | Vindicator | o m g if that's it i'm gonna lose it! |
16:58.32 | ducky_ | :3 don't lose it, remake borders into normal and then rotate them |
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16:59.40 | Taintedwisp | Hey SoulCarver, Just got the map and looked, Great work looks really good |
16:59.47 | Taintedwisp | You and Vailreth did amazing on it |
17:03.35 | ckSynergy | if you remake the borders, wouldnt you just rotate them manually? lol |
17:06.07 | Vindicator | you were right ducky o m g thanks so much. i've been trying to rotate things foorrreeeevvverrrr to no avail and i guess my attempts were always on non-normal image types x.x |
17:07.43 | Taintedwisp | Anyone else tired of Hearing about how the Middle Class have it sooo bad?, Why has there never been a president or any government official who has said, You know what, The rich need to shut up, the middle class needs to quit living outside their means, Hey lets help The Lower class who have to struggle to pay the pwer bill and still put food on the table... BAH it really is annoying |
17:08.07 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
17:10.29 | Taintedwisp | Oh well, It happens, Just gotta keep moving forward and try to break into the middleclass by the time Im 30, Then I will live like I was poor, and never have to worry about anything haah |
17:10.46 | ousnius | HOLY CRAP |
17:10.57 | ousnius | linkin park released their acapellas of the new album |
17:11.03 | Taintedwisp | ewwwwww |
17:11.07 | Taintedwisp | Linkin Park... |
17:11.19 | ousnius | :3 |
17:11.35 | Taintedwisp | Arent they dead yet... |
17:11.39 | Taintedwisp | Same with Greenday |
17:11.47 | ousnius | not really |
17:11.49 | Taintedwisp | Generic music, BLEH |
17:11.50 | ousnius | not metal anymore tho |
17:11.57 | Taintedwisp | THEY WERE NEVER METAL |
17:11.58 | Taintedwisp | lol |
17:12.02 | Taintedwisp | They were Punk Rock at best.. |
17:12.03 | ousnius | nu metal ffs |
17:12.08 | Taintedwisp | No not Nu metal |
17:12.16 | ousnius | they called themselves nu metal |
17:12.24 | Taintedwisp | They call themselves Rappers too.... at one time |
17:12.27 | Taintedwisp | Doesnt make it true |
17:12.33 | Taintedwisp | I call myself A king... |
17:12.36 | ousnius | well nu metal includes rap :3 |
17:12.41 | Taintedwisp | no it doesnt |
17:12.45 | ousnius | I hate you |
17:12.46 | ousnius | xD |
17:13.11 | Taintedwisp | It includes a little bit of Hip Hop, but mostly Heavy metal |
17:13.27 | Taintedwisp | They were more of soft rock, mixed with Idiocracy |
17:13.29 | Taintedwisp | lalw |
17:13.40 | Taintedwisp | Greenday calls themselves metal too... but they are not really.... |
17:15.03 | Taintedwisp | :P |
17:15.05 | Taintedwisp | The point is... |
17:15.09 | Vindicator | alright so how about this: you know some of the large images that have lots of little images for like acid animations etc? does anyone know how to utilize those images as animations? |
17:15.13 | Taintedwisp | Linkin park sucks!!! |
17:15.13 | Taintedwisp | haha |
17:15.27 | Taintedwisp | nah, actualyl they had a decent song or 2 back in the day |
17:15.40 | Taintedwisp | But their stuff got worse and worse and I quit listening to them the more they added rap into it |
17:16.52 | Taintedwisp | I hate this generic music that comes out now, its really bland.... |
17:17.00 | Taintedwisp | All sounds like 2006 Greenday |
17:17.14 | Taintedwisp | Terrible terrible, Boy band who calls themselve rock music sound alike. |
17:17.15 | Taintedwisp | lol |
17:17.27 | Taintedwisp | They sound like Justin Beiber hit puberty... that is all |
17:17.43 | Taintedwisp | Damn EcoHippies ruining the greatest Genre of music to ever be formed |
17:18.08 | Kueken | latest LP album has some decent tracks again imo |
17:18.16 | Kueken | some pretty crappy ones as well, though |
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17:24.23 | Taintedwisp | Eh im tired of "Decent", Why not something GREAT... Whens the last time you heard a song, and had to listen to it, over and over because it was sooo good |
17:24.24 | Taintedwisp | ? |
17:24.49 | Vailreth | just about every time i go to The Fump |
17:25.17 | Taintedwisp | Thats all Genres too, remember when rappers weren't trash? I didnt like their music, But i could atleast acknowledge it as music.... |
17:25.31 | Taintedwisp | lol Vailreth, I mean REAL music, not Funny remakes of songs, those are always good |
17:26.12 | Vailreth | there is more to the fump than parody |
17:26.26 | Taintedwisp | oI thought thats all it was |
17:26.31 | Vailreth | na |
17:26.48 | Vailreth | there is a lot of parody music but there is also alot of orginal stuff.. |
17:27.04 | Taintedwisp | ahh |
17:27.07 | Vailreth | just they like to tear pop songs new ones |
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17:27.24 | Taintedwisp | ewww pop songs... |
17:27.32 | Taintedwisp | Who let all these terrible Genres form? |
17:27.36 | Vailreth | if you liked rap i would suggest Mario Vs Luigi |
17:28.00 | Vailreth | a battle rap feature the mario brothers and wario |
17:28.06 | Taintedwisp | Rap, Punk Rock, Pop... |
17:28.10 | Taintedwisp | Yeah I saw it |
17:28.20 | Taintedwisp | epic Rap battles of history right? |
17:28.23 | Taintedwisp | It wasnt that funny |
17:28.25 | Vailreth | na |
17:28.33 | TheSkunk__ | heh.. I find some songs where I went and listened to them over an over |
17:28.34 | Taintedwisp | The last one I thought was funny was the Stephen Hawking one |
17:28.39 | TheSkunk__ | but I have weird tastes in music.. |
17:28.49 | Vailreth | that was Doom Vs Wesker i think, thats the only one of those ive seen |
17:28.49 | Taintedwisp | All the songs that I have liked to re-listen to are made pre 2005.... |
17:28.50 | Taintedwisp | lol |
17:29.28 | TheSkunk__ | Good portion of the ones I like have no lyrics =] |
17:29.40 | Taintedwisp | No lyrics? |
17:29.44 | Taintedwisp | Thats pointless... |
17:29.45 | Taintedwisp | lol |
17:29.49 | Taintedwisp | Wel I guess not. |
17:29.51 | Taintedwisp | but at the same time |
17:29.57 | TheSkunk__ | Not if its good |
17:30.15 | TheSkunk__ | Some even come from movies :P |
17:30.25 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgVV9XQyI2Y |
17:30.27 | TheSkunk__ | But like I said, I have unusual taste in music >_> |
17:30.30 | Taintedwisp | Thats a REAL song |
17:30.32 | Taintedwisp | haha |
17:31.03 | Taintedwisp | I have a Different taste in music, I hate all mainstream crap, dunno why, Some bands I will like, but I have learned that once they become Mainstream they loose quality |
17:31.20 | Taintedwisp | Its like they dont work as hard on their music, and start just pumping out crap for a doller |
17:31.23 | Taintedwisp | dollar |
17:31.48 | Taintedwisp | The most corrupting thing their is, it used to be gold that corrupted like that |
17:32.16 | Taintedwisp | anyone find it funny, they people trade their gold, for Money that is essentially, a promise of that gold? |
17:32.18 | TheSkunk__ | I woke up with a song stuck in my head recently -- and I liked it ever after that, even though I didn't think it was that great before |
17:33.09 | Taintedwisp | lol |
17:33.41 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqOFZ1jHX0Q |
17:33.44 | Taintedwisp | Thats a Great song too |
17:33.57 | Taintedwisp | of course if you dont like SOAD then their is something wrong with you |
17:35.38 | ousnius | http://soundcloud.com/datsik/boom-2 |
17:35.57 | ousnius | >not liking all genres |
17:36.19 | Taintedwisp | :P |
17:36.47 | Taintedwisp | VIOLENTPORNOGRAPHY!!! |
17:36.58 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VyzYbqRuFE |
17:37.20 | Taintedwisp | This is the type of music I enjoy, the type that talks about the Problems of the world, and adds awareness to them. |
17:38.27 | Taintedwisp | great song, though dont let the name scare you away |
17:38.42 | Taintedwisp | it talks about how the media keeps putting this crap on your TV. |
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17:39.16 | TheSkunk__ | I' |
17:39.33 | Taintedwisp | Ousnius, that sounds like something that would be behind Dubstep video |
17:39.43 | ousnius | it's dubstep |
17:39.46 | Taintedwisp | oh |
17:39.52 | TheSkunk__ | I'm playing music on spotify right now, music from Pirates of the Caribbean just came on.. shows how odd I am |
17:40.23 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrQsGeKN6qk&feature=related |
17:40.34 | Taintedwisp | I am really feelin some System of a Down right now |
17:40.41 | Taintedwisp | mass amounts too |
17:40.43 | ousnius | This video is not available in your country. We're sorry. |
17:40.49 | ousnius | holy mother of god I love Germany |
17:40.50 | Taintedwisp | hahaha |
17:40.54 | Taintedwisp | Your country is a bitchass |
17:40.55 | Taintedwisp | hahaa |
17:41.04 | ousnius | too lazy to use proxies |
17:41.09 | Taintedwisp | Germany blocks anything that talks bad about their nation... |
17:41.11 | Taintedwisp | sucks |
17:41.18 | ousnius | not true |
17:41.21 | ousnius | it's cause of copyright |
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17:41.45 | ousnius | they only ban things about hitler xD |
17:41.55 | Taintedwisp | Actually that video was from the actual official channel of roadrunnerRecords... |
17:42.00 | Taintedwisp | They used copyright as a front |
17:42.11 | Taintedwisp | nvm, I thought it was |
17:42.12 | Taintedwisp | hmm |
17:42.15 | ousnius | we can't even view VEVO channels here |
17:43.13 | Taintedwisp | yeah, those are official channels |
17:43.16 | Taintedwisp | lol |
17:43.25 | Taintedwisp | Thats why I say no to all copyrights... |
17:43.38 | Taintedwisp | I think copyrighting is the stupidest thing ever created.... |
17:43.49 | Taintedwisp | Without it, people would have to make better and better products to sale them |
17:43.58 | Taintedwisp | Copyrights make it so they have less competition |
17:44.10 | Taintedwisp | we loose quality, and the prices go up |
17:44.11 | Taintedwisp | lol |
17:46.11 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOY_UV9GhIM really has a Nice sound |
17:46.18 | Taintedwisp | has former members from SOAD in it |
17:47.38 | Taintedwisp | Wow just realized |
17:47.46 | ousnius | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j10auPHXySc lol |
17:47.48 | Taintedwisp | that song allowed the word "Fuck" a rarity for Vevo |
17:47.49 | Taintedwisp | haha |
17:47.50 | ousnius | >buying acapellas |
17:48.54 | Taintedwisp | Scars on Broadway, A nice band... HELL ITS ABOUT FUKN TIME!!! |
17:48.59 | Taintedwisp | 3 songs I like already... |
17:49.01 | Taintedwisp | ITS FUKN AMAZING |
17:50.15 | Taintedwisp | Sweet, it took 5 years... but there is 1 new band that I like... |
17:50.17 | Taintedwisp | ITS FUKN AMAZING |
17:50.19 | Taintedwisp | lol |
17:50.38 | Taintedwisp | Guess my standards for music is a tad bit higher |
17:51.29 | Bommes | or you just don't know a lot of different music... |
17:51.30 | Vailreth | http://www.thefump.com/fump.php?id=1108 |
17:51.46 | Vailreth | living near rednecks once can appreciate that link |
17:52.30 | Taintedwisp | yee haw? what thats hillbillies sir, not rednecks |
17:52.43 | Taintedwisp | These people need some REAL redneck education... on what a redneck is... |
17:52.54 | Vailreth | they say that here |
17:52.58 | Taintedwisp | Paps beer? still hillbilles |
17:53.15 | Vailreth | hillbilles are redneck or the mountains |
17:53.24 | Taintedwisp | nah |
17:53.29 | Taintedwisp | A redneck is way different |
17:53.35 | Vailreth | oh? |
17:54.05 | Taintedwisp | A hillbille Marries his cousin, and is stupid due to generations of Imbreeding |
17:54.19 | Taintedwisp | A redneck, Is stupid due to years of Alcohol and sometimes pot |
17:54.34 | Taintedwisp | and they drink Milwalkees beast |
17:54.38 | Taintedwisp | haha |
17:54.41 | Taintedwisp | or ICEHOUSE |
17:54.42 | Vailreth | youve never met the rednecks around jere |
17:54.43 | Taintedwisp | or Bush |
17:54.44 | Taintedwisp | lol |
17:54.44 | Vailreth | here* |
17:54.50 | Taintedwisp | I grew up around rednecks... |
17:55.08 | Vailreth | not the kinds here |
17:55.10 | Taintedwisp | SOUTHERN REAL REDNECKS, Talking bout hating blacks, and honestly thinking that the south would rise agaijn |
17:55.21 | Taintedwisp | lol |
17:55.36 | Taintedwisp | <PROTECTED> |
17:55.38 | Vailreth | true but they marry their cousins and are stupid |
17:55.51 | Taintedwisp | but it mixes the real definitions of hillbillies... |
17:56.26 | Taintedwisp | Also you cant be a redneck unless you have a broken car on the front lawn of your Trailer park.... |
17:56.27 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
17:56.32 | Vailreth | in texas its legal to marry your second cousin |
17:56.33 | Taintedwisp | Thats a given |
17:56.48 | Taintedwisp | Well thats texas... I feel bad for them,, |
17:56.53 | Taintedwisp | Thats gross... |
17:57.17 | Vailreth | it has to be ' |
17:57.32 | Vailreth | every one is related to every one else un less you are from out of state |
17:57.48 | Taintedwisp | gross... |
17:57.49 | Taintedwisp | lol |
17:57.56 | Vailreth | fortunately im from california |
17:58.03 | Taintedwisp | Thats even worse |
17:58.04 | Taintedwisp | lol |
17:58.17 | Taintedwisp | next your going to pull a bounty and say NJ |
17:58.18 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
17:58.22 | Vailreth | na |
17:58.26 | Taintedwisp | good |
17:59.17 | Taintedwisp | I dunno there are a few states I dont ever wanna live in, Honestly Cali is one of them, so is Texas, NY, Pen, and NJ... Ill stay out of those thank you... |
17:59.27 | Vailreth | http://www.thefump.com/fump.php?id=1194 disclaimer: i love america the land of the free and the home of the brave but i dont like the states that make it up |
17:59.30 | Taintedwisp | but maybe cali one day |
18:00.27 | Taintedwisp | NY was fine... but then they legalized Child porn, and called NC backwards the next week -_- |
18:00.46 | Taintedwisp | Texas its too damn hot |
18:00.53 | Taintedwisp | and NJ is the butthole of america |
18:00.56 | Taintedwisp | Im just too poor for cali |
18:00.57 | Taintedwisp | ahaha |
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18:01.12 | Vailreth | yeah .. |
18:01.28 | Taintedwisp | I think I wanna move north.. WAY NORTH, Past canada.... |
18:01.34 | Taintedwisp | Dont wanna be around the french |
18:01.37 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
18:01.50 | Vailreth | yes id like to to freeze my ass of in the artic circle too |
18:01.52 | Taintedwisp | I want Bitter Cold, and LOTS of night time |
18:02.06 | Taintedwisp | But I also want atleast T1 internet |
18:02.07 | Taintedwisp | haha |
18:02.27 | Taintedwisp | Windstream better get on that shit, heres one customer ready... |
18:02.36 | Vailreth | heh |
18:02.50 | Triceron | they have T1 at the artic pole. Foodstamps too. You should move |
18:02.55 | Taintedwisp | I do wanna move out of the states... but I dont want to move to any of the other countries... |
18:03.05 | Taintedwisp | I wonder if thepiratebay island will take me in |
18:03.05 | Taintedwisp | haha |
18:03.55 | Taintedwisp | just think of a land with NO GOVERNMENT..... if someone steals or Kills, the Society gets to handle them |
18:04.07 | Taintedwisp | The judge is Mr Winchester |
18:04.16 | ousnius | holy mother of god |
18:04.19 | ousnius | chaos.jpg |
18:04.23 | Taintedwisp | The Executioner, is a Rimmington 12 gauge |
18:05.10 | Taintedwisp | Ousnius you didnt paste the ling.. |
18:05.11 | Taintedwisp | link |
18:05.12 | Taintedwisp | fail |
18:05.28 | ousnius | >doesn't know about file type meme |
18:05.30 | Taintedwisp | hah Nah im kidding though, really what I want, if for this country to straitin its shit out |
18:05.32 | ousnius | do you even lift? |
18:05.35 | Taintedwisp | its the best, but its declining quickly |
18:05.47 | Taintedwisp | what? |
18:05.50 | A1win | is it possible to limite the auto acquire distance of weapons and still have their range longer than that? |
18:05.51 | ousnius | xD nvm |
18:05.55 | Taintedwisp | I dont follow lame memes |
18:06.00 | Taintedwisp | I think they are stupid |
18:06.05 | ousnius | dude |
18:06.13 | ousnius | is there one thing on earth you actually like except SOAD? :D |
18:06.14 | Taintedwisp | I dont have to steal everything I say from a movie or something else |
18:06.17 | A1win | hmm maybe by using two weapons where one can shoot far without auto acquire... |
18:06.24 | Taintedwisp | Lots of cool things |
18:06.29 | Taintedwisp | ITS GOJIRA!!!! |
18:06.30 | Taintedwisp | lol |
18:06.41 | Taintedwisp | Godzilla Final Wars... where the hell is Number 2... |
18:06.41 | Taintedwisp | lol |
18:06.51 | Taintedwisp | Final Wars 2... well he already killed all the monsters... now what |
18:07.05 | Triceron | there's a new godzilla hollywood movie being made |
18:07.14 | Triceron | you should like that |
18:07.24 | Taintedwisp | Meh |
18:07.29 | Vailreth | say it aint so |
18:07.30 | Taintedwisp | the Ny one was Okay |
18:07.35 | Taintedwisp | The story was good |
18:07.39 | Taintedwisp | but godzilla looked like shit |
18:07.45 | Taintedwisp | HEY |
18:07.50 | Taintedwisp | He looked like Diablo in D3... |
18:07.55 | Vailreth | they wanted to go "more real" |
18:08.04 | Vailreth | and it faild |
18:08.06 | A1win | I'm making a dungeon crawler that has infinite length... wish me luck D: |
18:08.10 | Taintedwisp | More real? it looked gay... |
18:08.19 | Taintedwisp | They could have done more real... without that supidity |
18:08.31 | ousnius | you need infinite luck for an infinite dungeon crawler |
18:08.38 | A1win | ;> |
18:08.39 | Vailreth | i actually liked it but eeh |
18:08.40 | Taintedwisp | Not hard A1win... hahah, you just need Dynamic walls and no exit lalaw |
18:08.43 | A1win | well obviously not literally invinite |
18:08.47 | Taintedwisp | I liked the Movie, it was good |
18:08.54 | A1win | I don't mean infinite area :P |
18:08.54 | Taintedwisp | but godzilla looked stupid |
18:09.03 | A1win | but infinite progress |
18:09.08 | Taintedwisp | The fish thing? Meh... |
18:09.08 | Taintedwisp | lol |
18:09.12 | Vailreth | i mean the design of the Godzillia ... but i dont think it fit the movie you know |
18:09.14 | Triceron | I wonder if you could do that, make a seamless infinite dungeon by making a dungeon loop around itself |
18:09.14 | A1win | I'm going to pace it well |
18:09.24 | Triceron | sorta like pacman, cept bigger |
18:09.39 | A1win | Triceron, I did that by making the environment move around the player but it was a bit too meh :P |
18:09.56 | Taintedwisp | No It was exactly what I expected from a Godzilla Hollywood movie, a movie with a Great storyline, but it failed on the aspect of making godzilla look even close to decent |
18:10.10 | Taintedwisp | He looked like Diablo in D3 mixed with Jayleno |
18:10.18 | A1win | Triceron, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2UbAAEDKsY |
18:10.18 | Taintedwisp | Why did he have Deathwings Chin? |
18:10.19 | Taintedwisp | lol |
18:10.46 | A1win | look at the coordinates |
18:10.50 | Taintedwisp | http://www.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/New-Godzilla-movie-image-Legendary-Pictures-Warner-Bros-3.jpg Thats Concept art |
18:10.54 | Taintedwisp | That would have looked better |
18:11.41 | Vailreth | i see |
18:11.58 | Taintedwisp | Thats from the First Version of the 2014 film |
18:12.06 | Taintedwisp | But i think that look was scrapped... |
18:12.07 | Taintedwisp | dunno wh |
18:12.13 | Taintedwisp | it looks great |
18:12.53 | Vailreth | it may be too dragon like for the sci fi theme |
18:13.05 | Taintedwisp | If they say so. |
18:13.20 | Taintedwisp | I dunno, Ill check it out, eventually when it comes out |
18:13.36 | Taintedwisp | Dunno everytime I see a project thats been delayed 100 times like this one, they usually suck |
18:13.45 | Taintedwisp | Oh yeah Ousnius I like Kung Fu Hustle too |
18:17.02 | Taintedwisp | http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/728190/starcraft-2-multiplayer-could-go-free-to-play/ |
18:17.09 | Taintedwisp | PLEASE DONT DO THIS!!!! |
18:17.12 | Taintedwisp | Dammit |
18:17.22 | Taintedwisp | Now there will be no reason... not to troll |
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18:17.44 | ousnius | do it |
18:17.57 | ousnius | and do it for custom maps too |
18:18.19 | Taintedwisp | noo dont do it, I dont want every map that I play to be filled with bots and little kids... |
18:18.22 | Taintedwisp | HELL NO |
18:18.30 | ousnius | bots.... |
18:18.34 | ousnius | DON'T DO IT |
18:18.57 | Taintedwisp | NOW that being said They could do this, and I would even support it |
18:19.12 | Taintedwisp | if a player owns WoW and D3, then they get get the multiplayer for free... |
18:19.19 | Taintedwisp | That would be different |
18:19.28 | Taintedwisp | that would be fine, because then they still wouldnt want to be banned |
18:19.34 | Taintedwisp | and it wouldnt be completely free to play |
18:19.45 | Bommes | wow sc2 f2p would be amazing |
18:19.47 | ousnius | and diablo 3 is pegi 18 I think |
18:19.49 | ousnius | >no kids |
18:19.55 | ousnius | >only cool kids |
18:20.10 | Taintedwisp | yup |
18:20.11 | Taintedwisp | lol |
18:20.31 | Taintedwisp | Thats the whole point though, takes stupid kids, and bots out of the equation |
18:21.14 | Taintedwisp | Blizz-deletarius i was just wondering, dont know if its actually happening, or anyhting haha, How much have you guys been discussing this one? |
18:22.16 | ousnius | he's a dev not a designer |
18:22.33 | Taintedwisp | ahh |
18:22.36 | Taintedwisp | Thats right |
18:22.51 | Taintedwisp | lol I dont even wanan know if its coming out, I was just wandering how split people were over it lol |
18:22.58 | Triceron | tbh F2P SC2 makes a lot of sense |
18:23.09 | Triceron | but they really have to be careful how they'd monetize it |
18:23.14 | Taintedwisp | Not really, It defeates the purpose of always online.... |
18:23.36 | Triceron | how is that relative? |
18:23.37 | Blizz-Deletarius | can't talk about it |
18:23.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | sorry |
18:23.46 | Taintedwisp | one of the major reasons they said it was always online, was due to botting in the old game |
18:23.47 | Taintedwisp | :P |
18:23.49 | Taintedwisp | okie gotcha |
18:24.05 | Taintedwisp | If you can just create a new account, then you can hack, and bot all day |
18:24.24 | Taintedwisp | if it does come out, I hope that mappers are given an option to hide their maps from F2P people |
18:24.39 | Taintedwisp | Because I dont want that crap in my maps, little kids, and Hackers... |
18:24.42 | Taintedwisp | BLEH i hate em |
18:24.43 | Taintedwisp | lol |
18:24.58 | Triceron | well, what limitations are there with starter edition right now and multiplayer? |
18:25.17 | Taintedwisp | I dont think they can play all the custom maps |
18:25.21 | Taintedwisp | just the ones blizz puts out |
18:25.56 | Taintedwisp | Which is fine by me... I dont feel like dealing with trolls... every game, of any game that I play |
18:26.40 | Taintedwisp | And this was a just announced feature, you see how long the long Debated 50/50 marketplace takes to get out, I wouldnt think of this coming any time soon if it was decided upon |
18:26.49 | Taintedwisp | and not even really announced |
18:28.40 | Triceron | wait so botting you're worried about custom maps, not the regular multiplayer? or both |
18:28.51 | Taintedwisp | both |
18:29.06 | Taintedwisp | I dont want bots trying to sale stuff on the channels, In my maps or in Quick match games ... |
18:29.16 | Taintedwisp | same with little kids... |
18:29.25 | Taintedwisp | cept instead of trying to sale stuff, they just suck really bad.. |
18:29.33 | Taintedwisp | and then cry and talk junk |
18:29.55 | Taintedwisp | If kids get on there, I wont come online starcraft until after 1 am on a school night every day |
18:29.59 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
18:30.21 | Taintedwisp | There are ways to make it free 2 play, but it doesnt need to be totally free 2 player |
18:31.28 | Taintedwisp | really all it is, in my opinion what it feels like, is that they are wanting to throw away the community who bought the game, and get a new community who will be willing to pay for their marketplace maps.... thats just what it feels like... I know SEVERAL people who bought the game just for the multiplayer, and then its free? |
18:32.10 | Taintedwisp | That would be a huge slap in the face, Thats why I bought it mostly, I wanted the campaign too, but mostly it was for the custom maps |
18:32.12 | Triceron | worked with TF2 |
18:32.19 | Taintedwisp | Not really |
18:32.23 | Taintedwisp | Its full of bots and little kdis |
18:32.32 | Triceron | and players who still like TF2 |
18:32.42 | Taintedwisp | Thats why I dont play it, there is always some little kid who hasnt hit puberty running his mouth... |
18:32.42 | Triceron | the difference is who you play with |
18:33.03 | Taintedwisp | The players who sitll like TF2, are a NEW community, you will find that when they did that MANY people left the game... |
18:33.09 | Taintedwisp | they were thrown away by valve in a way |
18:33.09 | Triceron | wtih SC2 it may be more towards what you're talking about, full of kids and whatnot |
18:33.16 | Triceron | but with the ladder system in place, what's the difference? |
18:33.29 | Taintedwisp | The ladder system doesnt apply to customs... |
18:33.38 | Taintedwisp | And I dont want a little kid in my placement matches |
18:33.42 | Triceron | in customs you still have kids playing SC2 |
18:33.48 | Taintedwisp | I get stuck in bronze 2v2s because of kids... |
18:33.59 | Taintedwisp | Yeah but they bought the game, so there are less of them |
18:34.24 | Taintedwisp | F2P works, but it has a worse, less loyal community. |
18:34.36 | Taintedwisp | Its a quick dollar, which is fine, but its not the same |
18:34.48 | Triceron | well community loyalty is disputable |
18:34.55 | Taintedwisp | I guess I am just Old Schoolish you could say, I would rather have better people, then more people |
18:35.01 | Triceron | you'll have the fanboys and the haters and whatnot no matter what happens |
18:35.13 | Taintedwisp | Fanboys and haters dont make up the community |
18:35.14 | Triceron | free 2 play may shift the lines, but it doesn't outright change because of this |
18:35.16 | Taintedwisp | Its the average gamer that doews |
18:35.55 | Triceron | I don't think this would be such a big drastic change that the average gamer will render the game unplayable by this change at any rate |
18:36.07 | Triceron | I mean there will always be things to hate on |
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18:36.32 | Triceron | but I can't imagine it doing something like destroying the meta game because more 'kids' are playing |
18:36.36 | TheSkunk___ | Eh |
18:36.43 | TheSkunk___ | if you actually read what he said |
18:36.56 | TheSkunk___ | He didn't really say they were currently thinking about it |
18:37.03 | TheSkunk___ | and he even expressed doubts it would work himself |
18:37.08 | TheSkunk___ | so I'm not too worried :D |
18:37.18 | Triceron | they're amusing the idea |
18:37.33 | Taintedwisp | I dunno, This is the 2nd thing from Blizzard that has made me really annoyed.... The first is the marketplace that I am leaving if it comes out and the F2p if it comes out, I will probably leave, but I might check it for a second to see how it works |
18:37.36 | Triceron | but still, it's a topic worth discussing |
18:38.05 | Taintedwisp | yeah same here |
18:38.20 | Taintedwisp | But skunk its either this or talking about homosexuals? haha |
18:38.27 | TheSkunk___ | :P |
18:38.36 | Triceron | I mean league of legends was a pay game when it started wasn't it? |
18:38.39 | TheSkunk___ | Yeah, its just that |
18:39.09 | Taintedwisp | no league wasnt |
18:39.11 | TheSkunk___ | what he said was in response to a question about if they WOULD consider it, not if they currently are, and I think his reply was as such: his own thoughts off the bat |
18:39.11 | Taintedwisp | HoN was |
18:39.25 | TheSkunk___ | and a lot of people are acting like its some sort of annoucement that they are seriously looking at it |
18:39.27 | Taintedwisp | Yeha I know, but still its a thought |
18:39.35 | TheSkunk___ | It is interesting to think about though =] |
18:39.48 | Triceron | well i'm not too familiar with HON or the success of their business model |
18:39.48 | Taintedwisp | and a thought can grow, so its best to talk about it now so that they can hear the communities response before they start working on it |
18:39.54 | Taintedwisp | I think IT COULD WORK |
18:40.02 | Taintedwisp | but I dont think Full F2P would work |
18:40.08 | Triceron | but I would figure they went F2P the same reason many MMO's do, to bring in a bigger player base |
18:40.13 | Taintedwisp | LIke I said they need to either own WoW, D3 or Both |
18:40.16 | Taintedwisp | then they get it for free |
18:40.18 | Taintedwisp | That would be perfect |
18:40.25 | Taintedwisp | It would Combine their player bases |
18:40.41 | Triceron | well what about a premium thing? |
18:40.42 | Taintedwisp | Ewww F2P MMOs have all sucked |
18:40.46 | Triceron | where F2P is always limited |
18:40.50 | Taintedwisp | I hate "Premium" |
18:40.52 | Taintedwisp | its stupid |
18:41.07 | Taintedwisp | WAIT THERE IT IS |
18:41.08 | Taintedwisp | OMG |
18:41.10 | Taintedwisp | THERES THE IDEA |
18:41.11 | Triceron | well by premium I mean everyone who bought the game has premium |
18:41.13 | Taintedwisp | okay how about this |
18:41.23 | Taintedwisp | It goes full F2P, they create the market place |
18:41.29 | Taintedwisp | And whoever bought the game gets premium |
18:41.35 | Taintedwisp | which means they dont pay for ANY maps |
18:41.36 | Triceron | that's what I'm talking about you ass |
18:41.50 | Taintedwisp | though that meansthe community still gets fucked by greed |
18:41.52 | Triceron | hmm, not pay for maps? |
18:41.56 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
18:41.59 | TheSkunk___ | As long as it doesn't effect gameplay and doesn't stiff currently paid users, I'd be fine with it.. but I do have some concerns about hackers being able to re-create accounts without having to purchase a new game |
18:41.59 | Triceron | so if you do starter you have to pay for maps? |
18:42.01 | Triceron | that makes no sesne |
18:42.02 | Taintedwisp | Yeah |
18:42.09 | Triceron | because the idea is the money goes to the map developers |
18:42.21 | Triceron | if you paid premium (for SC2) then the map developers get nothing |
18:42.22 | Taintedwisp | pretty much |
18:42.23 | Taintedwisp | Yeah the Money from the starter players |
18:42.25 | Triceron | which kinda screws the idea |
18:42.51 | Triceron | why release maps on marketplace if you're only getting cut of the sales from starter edition people? |
18:42.55 | Taintedwisp | Well I still dont like it |
18:42.59 | Taintedwisp | and as I say it I see faults in it |
18:43.02 | Taintedwisp | and it still fails |
18:43.17 | Taintedwisp | It still causes mass greed in the community |
18:43.17 | Taintedwisp | and people will be less willing to help each other |
18:43.26 | Triceron | that's gonna be a small percentage considering anyone who's a SC2 fan already bought the game, and the ones on F2P obviously don't have the money to buy more custom maps |
18:43.28 | Taintedwisp | I see that there are Pros and Cons to the marketplace... |
18:43.41 | Taintedwisp | F2p, they get quickmatch for free |
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18:44.46 | Taintedwisp_ | 14:43] <Taintedwisp> I see that there are Pros and Cons to the marketplace... [14:43] == Zolden [d557822e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.130.46] has quit [Quit: Page closed] [14:43] <Taintedwisp> F2p, they get quickmatch for free [14:43] <Taintedwisp> So they owuld just be paying for customs [14:43] <Taintedwisp> See what I am saying |
18:44.49 | Taintedwisp_ | It had broke |
18:44.49 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
18:44.56 | Taintedwisp_ | what did you say after that? |
18:45.07 | Taintedwisp_ | So if you were just paying for customs and got the quickmatch for free |
18:45.14 | Taintedwisp_ | Then it would REALLY be like TF2 |
18:45.23 | Taintedwisp_ | You get the main game free, and you pay for fan made extras |
18:45.24 | TheSkunk___ | 07[14:43] <Taintedwisp> 02F2p, they get quickmatch for free01 |
18:45.32 | TheSkunk___ | last thing I saw before you left |
18:45.37 | Taintedwisp_ | kk |
18:45.47 | Taintedwisp_ | so year Trice that killed your TF2 arguement :P |
18:45.50 | TheSkunk___ | but zolden isn't back in the channel yet |
18:45.55 | Taintedwisp_ | Any other Holes i can think of? |
18:45.59 | Taintedwisp_ | tyou can think of? |
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18:46.06 | Taintedwisp_ | damn |
18:46.07 | Taintedwisp_ | l.. |
18:46.08 | Triceron_ | bah, IRC hung |
18:46.10 | TheSkunk___ | there we go |
18:46.12 | Taintedwisp_ | same |
18:46.15 | TheSkunk___ | yeah happened to me earlier |
18:46.20 | TheSkunk___ | just before I started talking |
18:46.22 | Triceron_ | anyways, was gonna reiterate |
18:46.29 | Taintedwisp_ | [14:45] <Taintedwisp_> So if you were just paying for customs and got the quickmatch for free [14:45] <Taintedwisp_> Then it would REALLY be like TF2 [14:45] <Taintedwisp_> You get the main game free, and you pay for fan made extras [14:45] <TheSkunk___> [14:43] <Taintedwisp> F2p, they get quickmatch for free [14:45] <TheSkunk___> last thing I saw before you left |
18:46.31 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
18:46.38 | Triceron_ | F2P would be good for people who have shied away from SC2 because of the image it gets of being a hardcore RTS |
18:46.47 | Taintedwisp_ | Yeah |
18:46.50 | Taintedwisp_ | But like I was saying |
18:46.53 | Triceron_ | open up to the casuals, who are ideally your custom map players |
18:46.55 | Taintedwisp_ | what if they did it EXACTLY like TF2 |
18:47.02 | Taintedwisp_ | Where they get the main quickmatch for free |
18:47.10 | Taintedwisp_ | and they pay for fan made extras |
18:47.18 | Taintedwisp_ | Its combines 2 crappy broken ideas, into something that might work |
18:47.21 | Triceron_ | -_- |
18:47.35 | Taintedwisp_ | plus it keeps bots and idiots out of my maps |
18:47.35 | Taintedwisp_ | DAMMIT |
18:47.39 | Taintedwisp_ | Bout to crash agian.. |
18:47.42 | TheSkunk___ | lol >< |
18:47.44 | Taintedwisp_ | You still there Trice.. |
18:47.48 | Taintedwisp_ | oh nbm haha |
18:47.53 | Triceron_ | that's pretty much the idea I've been shootin for forever for map marketplace, that I hope they can figure out and get working |
18:48.04 | Taintedwisp_ | That might work though |
18:48.13 | Taintedwisp_ | I just hate the part where the Mapping Community gets overrun by 2 types |
18:48.16 | Triceron_ | microtransactions |
18:48.20 | Taintedwisp_ | 1 the Greedy idiots. |
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18:48.35 | Taintedwisp_ | 2. the Greedy Smart people |
18:48.35 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
18:48.35 | Triceron_ | of course that's gonna be very difficult to standardize |
18:48.35 | Tolkfan | so much talk about one small comment about possible F2P :P |
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18:48.52 | Taintedwisp_ | The Greedy idiots will be asking for help non stop... and you wont be able to come here anymore because there will be sooo damn many of thhem |
18:49.00 | Taintedwisp_ | the Greedy smart people, wont share their knowledge anymore |
18:49.07 | Triceron_ | well F2P changes things |
18:49.19 | Taintedwisp_ | So the people like myself, who dont care about money, gets boned... |
18:49.26 | Taintedwisp_ | yeah |
18:49.34 | Triceron_ | I mean for HOTS and LOTV possibly being F2P multiplayer? |
18:49.40 | Taintedwisp_ | Yeah... |
18:49.43 | Taintedwisp_ | Its a Concept that could work |
18:49.44 | Triceron_ | it's a pretty big deal |
18:49.53 | Taintedwisp_ | But its up to blizzard to make the RIGHT DECISIONS!! |
18:49.54 | TheSkunk___ | Thats what I was saying, Tolk.. :P |
18:50.01 | Taintedwisp_ | They have madea few terrible ones in the past... |
18:50.02 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
18:50.05 | Taintedwisp_ | the past few years |
18:50.25 | Triceron_ | but again, we have no idea what Blizzard has plans for. I do think they're looking closely at models that do work, and like i've said forever, there ARE systems out there that work |
18:50.32 | Taintedwisp_ | Real money Auction House, dumbing down their games, Battle tag, etc |
18:50.34 | TheSkunk___ | But really, I think F2P would be great\cool because it would expand the size of the player base and such, I just have fears about the implementation |
18:50.36 | Taintedwisp_ | yeah thats true |
18:50.40 | TheSkunk___ | Which is pretty much what Dustin said.. |
18:50.49 | Taintedwisp_ | yeah it could be cool, but it would have to be done RIGHT |
18:50.54 | Taintedwisp_ | and thats the problem... |
18:50.58 | Triceron_ | yeah, implementation is what will matter |
18:51.11 | Triceron_ | there are so many factors to it |
18:51.12 | Taintedwisp_ | I love blizzard... but They have gotten Terrible at doing things good the first time |
18:51.24 | Taintedwisp_ | They have gotten their new standard of , we will fix it later... |
18:51.26 | Triceron_ | and bottom line is they have to viably make money |
18:51.32 | TheSkunk___ | Oh neat, Dax confirmed that is a bug Battle Hellions enter into bunkers |
18:51.32 | Taintedwisp_ | D3, Pop system, etc |
18:51.34 | TheSkunk___ | phewsh |
18:51.45 | Triceron_ | yeh, it should have been a bug |
18:51.59 | Taintedwisp_ | why dont they remove the battle hellion button, and the upgrade... |
18:52.00 | TheSkunk___ | It didn't even work correctly ._. |
18:52.01 | Taintedwisp_ | its stupid.. |
18:52.02 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
18:52.08 | Taintedwisp_ | the battle hellion is coolsih |
18:52.09 | Triceron_ | kinda ridic they were able to in the first place |
18:52.23 | Taintedwisp_ | but we dont need 2 hellions on the factory |
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18:52.31 | Triceron_ | tainted you have beta? |
18:52.35 | Taintedwisp_ | Yeah |
18:52.37 | Triceron_ | wtf |
18:52.38 | Taintedwisp_ | Terran even more OP |
18:52.49 | Triceron_ | how'd you get one? |
18:52.52 | Triceron_ | random chance? |
18:52.55 | Taintedwisp_ | yeah |
18:53.01 | Taintedwisp_ | I think the 1.5 Contest, dunno though |
18:53.02 | Triceron_ | *grumbles* |
18:53.10 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
18:53.15 | TheSkunk___ | What wave did you get in? |
18:53.20 | Taintedwisp_ | 2nd wave |
18:53.24 | Triceron_ | is the battle hellion big? |
18:53.30 | TheSkunk___ | First wave included all of the 1.5 contest winners I'm pretty sure |
18:53.33 | Taintedwisp_ | Bout the size of a goliath |
18:53.35 | Triceron_ | I hear it's bigger than marauder. how big compard to landed viking? |
18:53.46 | Taintedwisp_ | ahh, then i dunno, I think the 2nd wave was random mappers |
18:53.46 | TheSkunk___ | Its not any bigger then the hellion, just taller and not as long :P |
18:54.02 | Triceron_ | smaller than viking then? |
18:54.06 | Taintedwisp_ | I think its stupid to make it a biological |
18:54.09 | Taintedwisp_ | It should just be a firebat then... |
18:54.19 | Triceron_ | it looks cool though |
18:54.21 | Taintedwisp_ | I hate how nearly all the new units are just recycled BW units reskinned |
18:54.21 | Triceron_ | transformers are cool! |
18:54.23 | Taintedwisp_ | yeah it looks cool |
18:54.28 | Taintedwisp_ | But its just a firebat |
18:54.29 | TheSkunk___ | Ah, for wave 2 he just said "07This wave include mostly individuals who opted in via the Battle.net Account Management system. "01 |
18:54.31 | Triceron_ | but I don't like that it's its own unit in the factory |
18:54.35 | TheSkunk___ | 07So probably that is how you got it |
18:54.38 | Taintedwisp_ | Ahhh |
18:54.41 | Taintedwisp_ | so random chance |
18:54.51 | Taintedwisp_ | Yeah same here |
18:55.25 | TheSkunk___ | Yeah, me too |
18:55.31 | Taintedwisp_ | yeah Trice if It was on a different B.Net account then my own, then I would let you borrow it and try, but my B. net account contains every Blizzard game that they allow to be put on there haha |
18:56.03 | Triceron_ | no worries, I have friends who got it too |
18:56.09 | Triceron_ | btu I'm still more interested in the campaign stuff |
18:56.09 | Taintedwisp_ | Hey Anyone here Play the Old Mechwarrior games? |
18:56.26 | Taintedwisp_ | Same the multiplayerlooks worse and worse... |
18:56.29 | Triceron_ | I've got a few friends working on the new one |
18:56.36 | Taintedwisp_ | Really? |
18:56.44 | TheSkunk___ | I played a bit of one of the older ones |
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18:56.53 | Triceron_ | Pirahna Games is located in a mall near where I used to work |
18:56.53 | TheSkunk___ | forget which.. 2, maybe? |
18:56.53 | Taintedwisp_ | I got athe beta, but I dont have a computer working haha |
18:56.53 | Triceron_ | it was so weird seeing a company in a mall |
18:56.58 | Triceron_ | but that mall is sorta dead anyways |
18:57.01 | Taintedwisp_ | Did you like it Skunk? |
18:57.02 | Triceron_ | prolly cheap rent |
18:57.07 | TheSkunk___ | believe it was the last one before they made some wierd RTS-style one |
18:57.10 | TheSkunk___ | Yeah |
18:57.19 | Taintedwisp_ | You wanna try the beta? my computer wont handle it? |
18:57.37 | Taintedwisp_ | ill just change the pass on it to theskunk real quick if you do |
18:58.02 | TheSkunk___ | Idc really |
18:58.07 | Taintedwisp_ | lol nvm then |
18:58.07 | Taintedwisp_ | haha |
18:58.12 | Taintedwisp_ | lawl |
18:58.13 | TheSkunk___ | Not that excited for it, if someone else is a bigger fan |
18:58.15 | TheSkunk___ | give it to them :D |
18:58.28 | Taintedwisp_ | I might just borrow my older bros computer then for it haha |
18:58.28 | TheSkunk___ | Mildly interested, but not enough to seize someones beta key :P |
18:58.38 | TheSkunk___ | thanks for offering though |
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19:04.19 | Taintedwisp | Lame ass Freenode |
19:04.31 | Taintedwisp | Looks like it Disconnected Deletarius too |
19:04.40 | TheSkunk___ | yeahhh |
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19:05.07 | Taintedwisp | wth... |
19:05.20 | Taintedwisp | Skunk survived... |
19:05.22 | Taintedwisp | but I didnt |
19:05.22 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:05.24 | Taintedwisp | :( |
19:07.29 | TheSkunk___ | heh, I've been dropped once so far |
19:07.37 | TheSkunk___ | so I haven't gone entirely unscathed |
19:07.40 | Taintedwisp | Freenode sucks.. |
19:07.52 | Taintedwisp | But I never can figure out how to set up a client... haha |
19:07.59 | Taintedwisp | never tried too hard either |
19:08.22 | Taintedwisp | Hey Vailreth, is the version in teh DropBox folder the latest edition? |
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19:09.37 | Triceron_ | so many people droppin |
19:09.42 | ckSynergy | yea |
19:10.20 | Taintedwisp | NOO SOMEONE CLONED VAILRETH!!! |
19:10.23 | Taintedwisp | SOB |
19:10.27 | Taintedwisp | WHO DID IT!!! KILL THEM NOW |
19:10.44 | Taintedwisp | Deletarius would stay in this channel, if it didnt drop him every 10 minutes... |
19:10.49 | Taintedwisp | haha |
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19:18.16 | Taintedwisp | Wait what? |
19:18.22 | Taintedwisp | Vailreth got dropped too? |
19:18.30 | Triceron_ | yeah, he was dropped a while ago |
19:18.33 | Taintedwisp | That doesnt make any sense, he doesnt use freenode |
19:18.46 | Taintedwisp | atleast I dont think |
19:19.27 | TheSkunk___ | ? what do you mean? |
19:19.37 | TheSkunk___ | I'm using a client |
19:19.41 | TheSkunk___ | and getting dropped |
19:20.10 | Taintedwisp | oh |
19:20.11 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:20.22 | Taintedwisp | I didnt think people using a client got dropped the same |
19:20.25 | Taintedwisp | Lame... |
19:20.56 | Taintedwisp | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6679638882 |
19:21.08 | Taintedwisp | I wonder how much hate I will recieve because I told that I got the idea from WoW |
19:21.17 | ckSynergy | Mothership core really irks me |
19:21.29 | Taintedwisp | Yeah I hate that they Unattached it from the Nexus |
19:21.36 | ckSynergy | derp what? lol |
19:21.40 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:21.45 | Taintedwisp | I wish it was still attached to the nexus |
19:21.52 | Taintedwisp | Now its just an early mothership pretty much |
19:21.54 | ckSynergy | why? it looks gay as hell |
19:22.00 | ckSynergy | its a lack of creativity |
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19:22.28 | ckSynergy | its a "well shit, I like the mothership and dont wanna scrap the model, and toss needs something, so hell, lets just root the mothership at the nxus and call it done" |
19:23.00 | Taintedwisp | Yeah |
19:23.01 | Taintedwisp | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6679638882 |
19:23.04 | Taintedwisp | Support taht Ck haha |
19:23.07 | Triceron_ | I woulda liked to see Toss get something that changes up the 4 gate |
19:23.09 | Taintedwisp | I still like the idea of the Tunneler |
19:23.10 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:23.25 | TheSkunk___ | Actually, it was created because they wanted to give protoss something more interesting then chrono boost |
19:23.26 | Taintedwisp | I would like every race to get something that added to the game.. |
19:23.31 | TheSkunk___ | but having recall on every nexus |
19:23.32 | ckSynergy | I mean honestly, give the nexus an upgraded model or something, but dont try to pawn off a simple actor attachement as "something new and unique" |
19:23.33 | TheSkunk___ | is too OP |
19:23.37 | Taintedwisp | Instead they picked bland units that dont change anything relaly |
19:23.56 | Taintedwisp | HoTS feels like Recycled BW crap |
19:24.01 | TheSkunk___ | hah! |
19:24.04 | ckSynergy | lol |
19:24.22 | ckSynergy | I still woulda perfered the lurker over the swarm host |
19:24.26 | Triceron_ | I really like the zerg units |
19:24.26 | Taintedwisp | Yeah same here |
19:24.33 | Taintedwisp | The swarm host is stronger then the DT... |
19:24.33 | ckSynergy | Zerg needs a siege unit |
19:24.34 | Taintedwisp | its stupid |
19:24.38 | ckSynergy | and banelings are not siege |
19:24.45 | Taintedwisp | Banelins are totally Siege |
19:24.49 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:24.50 | Triceron_ | swarm host doesn't replace the lurker of BW |
19:24.53 | ckSynergy | not unless you let me launch them out of nydus like a cannon at a range of 20 |
19:24.55 | Triceron_ | it does crap for territory control |
19:24.57 | Taintedwisp | Baneling + overlord drop = win |
19:24.57 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:25.13 | ckSynergy | never did get ovie drop to work |
19:25.26 | ckSynergy | I tried, but it just wouldnt do bombing runs |
19:25.43 | TheSkunk___ | what do you mean by that? |
19:25.56 | TheSkunk___ | there is a micro trick to get it to unload while moving |
19:25.57 | TheSkunk___ | if thats what you mean |
19:25.59 | ckSynergy | yea, couldnt get that to work |
19:26.12 | Taintedwisp | AND DAMMIT |
19:26.16 | ckSynergy | not that I tried that hard |
19:26.16 | TheSkunk___ | o.0 |
19:26.24 | TheSkunk___ | Well, I see pros do it often enough :P |
19:26.32 | ckSynergy | I prefer not to blow up my resources and time lol |
19:26.46 | TheSkunk___ | its a hard\risky thing to do |
19:26.56 | Kueken | wasNt that just use the unload ability on the overlord itself? |
19:26.57 | Triceron_ | viper looks like a lot of fun though |
19:27.08 | ckSynergy | viper looks good |
19:27.10 | ckSynergy | yea |
19:27.18 | TheSkunk___ | viper dies in 1 hit T_T |
19:27.40 | ckSynergy | not all that impressed by blindling cloud (cheap knock off of dark swarm), but its better than nothing |
19:29.56 | Kueken | I have yet to see vipers used efficiently |
19:30.38 | Kueken | abduct and cloud are no bad abilities, but they usually end up in dead vipers |
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19:31.24 | Taintedwisp | I have a serious question, how do all these people stay in this channel 24/7 and never actaully come here? |
19:31.28 | Taintedwisp | dont they get dropped? |
19:31.36 | TheSkunk___ | sure |
19:31.39 | TheSkunk___ | sometimes |
19:31.41 | TheSkunk___ | rarely |
19:31.45 | TheSkunk___ | maybe once =[ |
19:31.48 | Taintedwisp | hmm i need to do hatever they do... |
19:31.49 | zenxtt | howdy |
19:31.50 | Taintedwisp | laol |
19:31.55 | Taintedwisp | SHUT UP ZENX!!! |
19:31.56 | Taintedwisp | haha |
19:31.57 | Taintedwisp | hey |
19:31.58 | Taintedwisp | whats up[ |
19:32.00 | Triceron_ | ahoy |
19:32.06 | TheSkunk___ | in net splits they sure do.. |
19:32.46 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:33.44 | Triceron_ | if they remade Brood War 100% as an expansion, would you buy it? |
19:33.46 | Taintedwisp | The thing I hate about HoTS Beta, is that none of the webcasters are sharing their opinions on it at all |
19:33.50 | Taintedwisp | No i wouldnt |
19:33.53 | Taintedwisp | I already played BW |
19:34.11 | Taintedwisp | If they remade the Campaign in Sc2, with Portraits and everything I would |
19:34.15 | Taintedwisp | for 10$ |
19:34.24 | Taintedwisp | but that would just be dlc |
19:34.47 | Taintedwisp | If I wanted BW back, i would be screaming for my favorite unit the Dark Archon |
19:34.50 | Triceron_ | I was thinking more like $20, but 10 could be feasible |
19:35.06 | Taintedwisp | But it would need Achievements and portraits |
19:35.13 | Taintedwisp | And 10 MAYBE 15 would be it |
19:35.15 | Triceron_ | I was thinking new cinematics and all too |
19:35.22 | Taintedwisp | Thats what Full HD remakes of old games go for on console |
19:35.26 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
19:35.30 | TheSkunk___ | They probably are sharing their opinions on the pro-feedback forum |
19:35.30 | Taintedwisp | and the old cinematics in there |
19:35.31 | zenxtt | I think husky was like "meh" about the new units |
19:35.36 | zenxtt | he said that before the beta thou |
19:35.58 | Triceron_ | aren't msot casters generally subtle on their opnions? |
19:36.12 | Taintedwisp | yeah I just hate that they are supposed to be the voice of teh ladder community, yet they dont speak their opinions about any of the units |
19:36.22 | TheSkunk___ | Well, they don't want to get public flack |
19:36.32 | TheSkunk___ | thats why blizzard set up a private forum for them :P |
19:36.43 | Taintedwisp | Still, though I think MVPs should speak their opinions too :P |
19:36.45 | zenxtt | you say that yet you havent even watched the video he talked about that |
19:36.45 | Triceron_ | i might have to check out State of the Game again |
19:36.52 | zenxtt | so its nice to assume what they say and what not |
19:37.11 | TheSkunk___ | hah, half the MVPs don't play anymore :P |
19:37.35 | Taintedwisp | yeah I figured that, Tell them to elect some new MVPS... ill be a LVP!!!! gimme my Red color... |
19:37.36 | Taintedwisp | hahaah |
19:37.37 | TheSkunk___ | The ones that do, have been posting their opinion.. |
19:37.42 | Taintedwisp | LVP LVP LVP |
19:37.45 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:37.53 | zenxtt | I think Iv changed my mind around 50 times wheter I buy Hots or not. currently im in the state that I wont buy it |
19:37.55 | Taintedwisp | Least Valueable Poster |
19:37.57 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
19:38.22 | Taintedwisp | yeah same here Zenx, though when I dont buy a blizzard game, that will mean the end of me buying ANY blizzard games |
19:38.23 | Triceron_ | if it's $40 expansion price I'll prolly get it |
19:38.58 | Taintedwisp | Because in the end,of it all, I am a huge fan of the blizzard that made warcraft rts, and starcraft and diablo, But WoW, D3 and Sc2.. a lot of bad decisions have been going in |
19:39.07 | TheSkunk___ | Eh... I'm expecting SC2 will be the last Blizzard game I'll like, so I'm enjoying it for all I can =D |
19:39.11 | Triceron_ | but now with that whole free to play thing being said, I'm tempted to wait and see myself |
19:39.11 | Taintedwisp | And my faith in the company has been declineing |
19:39.29 | Taintedwisp | same here skunk... they are starting to care more about money then their fans it seems |
19:39.34 | zenxtt | overal would be nice if they somehow added free2play |
19:39.35 | Triceron_ | WoW's evolved |
19:39.42 | Triceron_ | I can't blame them for going more casual |
19:39.52 | Triceron_ | 11m players and most of em are casual |
19:39.52 | Taintedwisp | no not evolved, evolved insinuates it got better.. |
19:40.12 | TheSkunk___ | Well, I've only really liked their RTS games |
19:40.26 | Triceron_ | difference of perspective |
19:40.26 | Triceron_ | evolve = survival |
19:40.28 | Triceron_ | economic survival in this case |
19:40.29 | Triceron_ | look around and you see other mmo's struggling to make a dollar |
19:40.32 | TheSkunk___ | By the time the next RTS game comes around, I might not even be playing games anymore =P |
19:40.49 | Taintedwisp | no 11m plkayers and half of them are child molestors on MoonGuard... |
19:40.55 | Taintedwisp | I feel that the old blizzard the one I trusted would have killed that server a long time ago and banned anyone talking about Child rape |
19:40.59 | TheSkunk___ | And I don't think they are going to make a non-RTS game that I'd like anytime soon... |
19:40.59 | Triceron_ | WoW's not built for keeping the hardcore |
19:41.05 | Triceron_ | it's built to maintain the existing playerbase |
19:41.13 | TheSkunk___ | SC Ghost was closer to a game I'd like.. but a new MMO? No thanks |
19:41.14 | Taintedwisp | But its soo dumbed down |
19:41.20 | Taintedwisp | Yeh I know |
19:41.35 | Triceron_ | have you guys seen the gameplay of Warcraft Adventures? |
19:41.36 | Taintedwisp | not even kidding |
19:42.18 | Triceron_ | gameplay videos |
19:42.24 | Taintedwisp | I use 3 spells no addons, or macros, and I am revered as the god of tanks... |
19:42.25 | Taintedwisp | what is it? |
19:42.25 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:42.25 | Taintedwisp | ohh |
19:42.25 | Triceron_ | Warcraft Adventures? |
19:42.25 | Triceron_ | their adventure game? |
19:42.28 | Taintedwisp | i had forgotten |
19:42.32 | Taintedwisp | Yeah WoW... they game blizzard sold their soul on |
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19:43.04 | zenxxxx | aaaaaaaaaa freenodeeeeeeeeee |
19:43.13 | zenxxxx | so how much did that sc2 even sell? |
19:43.28 | Taintedwisp | 7 million i think |
19:43.35 | Triceron_ | was there a numbers release? |
19:43.46 | Triceron_ | I think the numbers get real fudgey if it's global |
19:43.53 | Triceron_ | cuz asia doesn't use the same business model |
19:43.54 | Taintedwisp | oi know 4.5 for the United states I think |
19:43.58 | TheSkunk___ | They released numbers once, a long time ago |
19:44.02 | Triceron_ | its all net cafes there |
19:44.04 | TheSkunk___ | but they are realllly out of date |
19:44.07 | Triceron_ | and liscences |
19:44.13 | TheSkunk___ | don't think they released *recent* numbers |
19:44.16 | Triceron_ | it's technically free too I think |
19:44.37 | zenxxxx | woot so many :O |
19:44.43 | zenxxxx | what did d3 sell? |
19:44.46 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
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19:44.54 | Taintedwisp | 4.5 was in dec 2010 |
19:45.05 | Taintedwisp | that was before starter and patching and much more |
19:45.06 | Triceron_ | D3 broke sales records at releast, that's all I followed |
19:45.09 | Triceron_ | I don't know current numbers |
19:45.10 | Taintedwisp | so its prob closer to 7 |
19:45.22 | Taintedwisp | no D3 broke record for Pre order sales I thought |
19:45.31 | Triceron_ | was it preorder? |
19:45.34 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
19:45.35 | Taintedwisp | I think |
19:45.39 | Taintedwisp | I think wow has the most sales |
19:45.46 | Taintedwisp | Wiht like 15-20 million |
19:45.59 | Triceron_ | http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/724035/diablo-3-breaks-pc-sales-records-moves-more-than-35-million-units-in-24-hours/ |
19:46.06 | Taintedwisp | damn |
19:46.07 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:46.09 | zenxxxx | wow so many |
19:46.15 | Taintedwisp | i stand corrected |
19:46.16 | Taintedwisp | HAHAHA |
19:46.17 | Triceron_ | yeah, I'm right you're wrong HA! |
19:46.21 | Taintedwisp | SUCK IT MODERN SHITFARE 3 |
19:46.31 | Triceron_ | it's the same damn company :P |
19:46.50 | Taintedwisp | WAIT |
19:46.52 | Taintedwisp | Not trice... |
19:46.53 | zenxxxx | 'I wonder if blizzard can do somekind of hypetrain with hots |
19:46.57 | Taintedwisp | Your wrong, well Im wrong too |
19:47.08 | Taintedwisp | It has the largest day 1 sales |
19:47.12 | Taintedwisp | thats 3.5 million sales |
19:47.18 | Taintedwisp | not 35 as I read in teh link |
19:47.19 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:47.23 | Triceron_ | yeah |
19:47.25 | Triceron_ | I said at release |
19:47.28 | Taintedwisp | Im sure WoW sitll beat it |
19:47.30 | Triceron_ | which is day 1 :P |
19:47.33 | zenxxxx | haha |
19:47.34 | Taintedwisp | oh |
19:47.35 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:47.38 | Taintedwisp | I thought you ment total sales |
19:47.42 | Taintedwisp | I was gunna be like... no |
19:47.43 | Taintedwisp | loo |
19:47.43 | Triceron_ | no no |
19:47.49 | Triceron_ | I have no clue what their total is |
19:47.59 | Triceron_ | I think they didn't even mention in the last earning call |
19:47.59 | Taintedwisp | Im sure once people played it those numbers DROPPED |
19:48.00 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:48.02 | Taintedwisp | DRastically |
19:48.12 | Triceron_ | well, yeah... |
19:48.20 | Taintedwisp | I wonder if it fell short of WoL |
19:48.34 | Triceron_ | what matters is they got the sales I figure |
19:48.43 | Taintedwisp | I really hope that D3 is a 3 part game, and part 1 was like LoTR where it was the WORST part |
19:48.43 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:48.45 | Triceron_ | make back the dev time spent on D3 |
19:48.50 | Triceron_ | how many years was it? Too many :/ |
19:48.55 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:49.02 | Taintedwisp | Well Warcraft 4, will be waiting for 20 years.. |
19:49.06 | Taintedwisp | if it comes out |
19:49.20 | Taintedwisp | maybe only 17 haah |
19:49.24 | Taintedwisp | its already been 10.. |
19:49.24 | zenxxxx | I would like if it continued from tft |
19:49.24 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:49.25 | Triceron_ | I'd figure 10 |
19:49.30 | Taintedwisp | Same here |
19:49.34 | Triceron_ | 4 or so yrs after LOTV |
19:49.38 | Taintedwisp | WoW shouldnt be considered part of the actual story |
19:49.47 | zenxxxx | tft was like THATS HOW YOU MAKE ENDING |
19:49.47 | Taintedwisp | I doubt it Trice |
19:49.50 | zenxxxx | compare to sc2 ending |
19:49.52 | Taintedwisp | your not accounting for how blizz is now |
19:49.54 | Triceron_ | and it's enough that they would have run through most of the content of WoW |
19:49.58 | Taintedwisp | They no longer let their games breath |
19:50.31 | Vindicator | years later: "To commemorate the 15th anniversary of WoW, we're releasing the 9th expansion including a built in Warcraft 4 minigame!" |
19:50.32 | Triceron_ | it's not letting them breathe though |
19:50.34 | Taintedwisp | WoW's story is stupid... lol |
19:50.45 | Triceron_ | it'd be after LOTV because it's likely the same dev team who will be making WC4 |
19:51.01 | Taintedwisp | yeah that was already told |
19:51.03 | Triceron_ | and 4 years is a rough estimate of RnD and development required to get the game going |
19:51.14 | Taintedwisp | Plus they let it slip that Warcraft 4 would use the same engine as Sc2 |
19:51.18 | Taintedwisp | a modified version of it anyways |
19:51.18 | Triceron_ | nah |
19:51.33 | Taintedwisp | people keep saying they ment Cataclysm but I doubt it |
19:51.46 | Taintedwisp | If they ment cataclysm, then WHERE THE FUK IS OUT LAGLASS WASD!!! |
19:51.48 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:51.48 | Triceron_ | SC2 engine would be ollllllllddd |
19:51.56 | Triceron_ | even by LOTV standards |
19:52.06 | Taintedwisp | Not if they keep upgrading it as they go |
19:52.12 | Taintedwisp | They upgraded it for HoTS |
19:52.15 | Triceron_ | hell, even now there are more powerful RTS engines available |
19:52.23 | Triceron_ | seen Company of Heroes 2 screens? |
19:52.30 | Taintedwisp | I hate modern day RTS |
19:52.31 | Triceron_ | the unit models are like FPS quality |
19:52.40 | Triceron_ | slightly less, but still really good |
19:52.49 | Vindicator | well company of heroes doesn't have to consider 800 zerglings |
19:52.53 | Taintedwisp | FPS quality? thats crappy quality |
19:52.54 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:52.54 | Vindicator | as a possibility |
19:53.00 | Taintedwisp | FPS for whatever reason look like turds |
19:53.03 | Triceron_ | true enough, but neither will WC3 |
19:53.03 | Taintedwisp | Cept Killzone 3 |
19:53.05 | Triceron_ | *wc4 |
19:53.06 | Taintedwisp | That game was amazing |
19:53.36 | Taintedwisp | I dont want heroes In Wc4.... or if they do then they need to re- make the formula |
19:53.46 | Taintedwisp | Heroes shouldnt be an all in stratagy |
19:53.56 | Taintedwisp | Heroes in Wc3, were an auto win if you leveled them up |
19:53.59 | Triceron_ | well you're likely not gonna get SC/2 gameplay out of WC4 |
19:54.07 | Taintedwisp | There shouldnt be ANY autowin stratagy in any game |
19:54.18 | Taintedwisp | If thats teh plan, then its pointless to even make Wc4... |
19:54.35 | Taintedwisp | Personally Trice, heres what I want for their next project, they would never listen to me though |
19:54.38 | Triceron_ | well, leveling up your hero WAS the strategy :P |
19:54.41 | Taintedwisp | The WHOLE game, is nothing but an editor.. |
19:54.42 | Taintedwisp | hahah |
19:54.48 | Triceron_ | nah |
19:54.52 | Taintedwisp | and a standalone map marketplace |
19:54.58 | Triceron_ | that's way too hopeful wishing |
19:55.00 | Taintedwisp | With All assets from Sc2, WoW, and D3... |
19:55.02 | Taintedwisp | i know |
19:55.10 | Triceron_ | even Valve doesn't do that |
19:55.11 | Taintedwisp | Then I would think a marketplace would be a good idea |
19:55.12 | Taintedwisp | hah |
19:55.14 | Triceron_ | and they're the closest ones who would |
19:55.23 | Taintedwisp | i know... sadly |
19:55.26 | Taintedwisp | Would be really cool though |
19:55.29 | Vindicator | they could do both tainted |
19:55.35 | Triceron_ | but I love DOTA2's model right now |
19:55.45 | Triceron_ | where you can make stuff for characters |
19:55.46 | Taintedwisp | I dont want a marketplace inside of my actual game though... |
19:55.46 | Vindicator | make the game and make the marketplace standalone where the game isn't a prerequisite for the marketplace |
19:55.48 | Taintedwisp | Thats stupid |
19:56.04 | Taintedwisp | Instead of Opening Wc4, why not be able to open Blizzard Arcade |
19:56.06 | Taintedwisp | Or something like that |
19:56.11 | Taintedwisp | More people would flock to it |
19:56.17 | Triceron_ | er |
19:56.23 | Triceron_ | what's the difference of that and right now? |
19:56.29 | Triceron_ | I don't get what you mean |
19:56.29 | Vindicator | sc2 is a prerequisite |
19:56.39 | Taintedwisp | Sc2 is a Game... it shouldnt be a market... |
19:56.43 | Taintedwisp | A market is a market.. |
19:57.09 | Triceron_ | but if they made SC2 f2p? |
19:57.12 | Taintedwisp | Plus all the resources that go to making the actual game... |
19:57.20 | Taintedwisp | then go to Improving a powerful editor |
19:57.22 | Triceron_ | is the requisite still a bad thing? |
19:57.27 | Taintedwisp | YES |
19:57.29 | Taintedwisp | YES IT IS |
19:57.30 | Taintedwisp | ... |
19:57.31 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:57.34 | Vindicator | all they'd need to do at this point though is give the starter edition more capabilities |
19:57.39 | Taintedwisp | This community wasnt built for a marketplace |
19:57.41 | Vindicator | or "access" |
19:57.44 | Taintedwisp | It was built for sc2 fans |
19:57.54 | Taintedwisp | no... thats terrible... still terrible |
19:57.55 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:57.57 | Triceron_ | I don't know about that |
19:58.09 | Triceron_ | marketplace was mentioned from the very start |
19:58.13 | Triceron_ | before SC2 |
19:58.22 | Taintedwisp | yeah and people hated a market in their game since the very beginning |
19:58.31 | Taintedwisp | Why do you think it hasnt been put in yet |
19:58.35 | Triceron_ | there's a part of the community that is anxiously waiting for the marketplace and haven't released any maps for the exact reason |
19:58.48 | Taintedwisp | And the part thats waiting, is the greedy... |
19:58.49 | Taintedwisp | lol |
19:58.52 | Taintedwisp | they just want money |
19:59.03 | Triceron_ | well, they're also big projects |
19:59.04 | Taintedwisp | They odnt see it as improving the game itself, as improving their pockets |
19:59.15 | Vindicator | i'm 15K in debt tainted. is that greedy? |
19:59.18 | Taintedwisp | This way it would be a standalone, no strings attached, no bullshit |
19:59.38 | Taintedwisp | well dont look at video games to get you out of debt... go get a job |
19:59.41 | Triceron_ | I think if they don't make a marketplace |
19:59.48 | Triceron_ | it will hurt the community more |
19:59.51 | Taintedwisp | No it wont... |
19:59.52 | Triceron_ | the current community |
20:00.02 | Taintedwisp | Wc3 community thrived without it.. |
20:00.07 | Taintedwisp | We can too... |
20:00.11 | Triceron_ | but a marketplace was never inteded for WC3 |
20:00.14 | Vindicator | you realize that marketplace = better games because people can spend more time making them right? |
20:00.18 | Triceron_ | there are people who are waiting on it right now |
20:00.18 | Taintedwisp | the only reason we havent been is because we havent had a way to deliver our projects |
20:00.22 | Triceron_ | who are devving maps |
20:00.44 | Triceron_ | and it's an expectation at this point unless Blizzard says otherwise (ie. 'We're canning the Marketplace) |
20:00.50 | Taintedwisp | Vinicator... you just sounded like an old woman More Money does NOT = More quality always, actually its the opposite more money = less quality. |
20:00.59 | Taintedwisp | People spend 100$ a cup for Brewed cat shit... |
20:01.18 | Taintedwisp | The rich have worse doctors then the poor |
20:01.25 | Vindicator | u just told me to go get a job. that job takes time away from mapping, therefore yes, money = better quality due to more time spent making maps |
20:01.27 | Taintedwisp | there is NO evidence that more money means better |
20:01.38 | Taintedwisp | Sooo, dont put yourself in debt over a game... |
20:01.39 | Triceron_ | yeah, I would agree with Vindicator |
20:01.40 | Taintedwisp | thats your stupidity |
20:01.45 | Triceron_ | every time i've worked a job |
20:01.51 | Triceron_ | I've never found time to mod |
20:01.52 | A1win | why does my head hurt when I try to read conversations here |
20:01.57 | Taintedwisp | haha |
20:02.00 | Triceron_ | I only mod between contracts |
20:02.02 | ousnius | :psyduck: |
20:02.15 | Taintedwisp | Well,Thats fine trice... this is a hobby not a buisness |
20:02.25 | Vindicator | so blizzard isn't a business? |
20:02.26 | Triceron_ | it can be both |
20:02.31 | Taintedwisp | Its like if I made RC Boats, I wouldnt sale them, i would do that for my own fun |
20:02.40 | Taintedwisp | Blizzard yes, Modding HELL NO |
20:02.51 | Taintedwisp | Not it cant Trice... there is not room for both |
20:02.53 | Triceron_ | but that doesn't stop someone who has a RC boath hobby form selling right? |
20:02.59 | A1win | if I got money for my maps, it'd certainly motivate me to spend more time on them |
20:03.04 | Vindicator | counterstrike = modding |
20:03.10 | Triceron_ | just because you don't want to doesn't mean no one wants to |
20:03.12 | Triceron_ | that's the difference |
20:03.13 | Vindicator | dota = modding |
20:03.15 | Taintedwisp | Honestly More money isnt going to improve my mapping skills... |
20:03.25 | Taintedwisp | if anyhting I would just push out projects to meet the minium |
20:03.26 | Triceron_ | if you're coming at me from a personal opinion perspective, then I sure |
20:03.30 | A1win | it's not about skills, it's about effort you put in it |
20:03.33 | Vindicator | do you live on your own taintedwisp? |
20:03.37 | Triceron_ | but you can't make the argument that because you don't want to, no one should |
20:03.49 | Taintedwisp | No I live with my brother Vind... |
20:03.52 | Taintedwisp | spliting rent |
20:04.07 | Vindicator | do u have a job? |
20:04.19 | Taintedwisp | No i dont... i am currently unemplyed looking for work |
20:04.34 | Taintedwisp | I look for a job 6-9 hours a day and map a bit after |
20:04.45 | Taintedwisp | Its called being Responsible |
20:05.09 | Vindicator | so if you made enough money mapping to where you didn't have to look for a job or have one, don't you think you'd learn more from spending a chunk of that time working on mapping? |
20:05.21 | Taintedwisp | No Iw ouldnt... thats stupid |
20:05.43 | Taintedwisp | Relying on a failing community to sale a product is plain idiocracy... |
20:05.53 | Taintedwisp | There is absolutely no Security in that |
20:06.06 | Taintedwisp | Hell if I was going to do that, I would just go Mow lawns... |
20:06.18 | Vindicator | ok well i'm not trying to argue so i'm just going to stop now lol |
20:06.25 | Taintedwisp | whatever.. |
20:06.34 | A1win | meh I'll watch some TV series instead of watch this trolling D: |
20:07.02 | Taintedwisp | lol |
20:07.04 | Triceron_ | yet Tainted will settle on donation system |
20:07.11 | Taintedwisp | Yes I will.. |
20:07.13 | Triceron_ | which is still, making money :P |
20:07.29 | Taintedwisp | Not really.... |
20:07.33 | Triceron_ | it's just a feasibly moral approach |
20:07.40 | Taintedwisp | Its nota mandatory, or "lame ass Premium" service |
20:07.45 | Triceron_ | you gonna argue that kickstarters don't make money either? |
20:07.57 | Taintedwisp | Thats a donation system... |
20:08.09 | Taintedwisp | They offer a place for people to gather donations... and they get their cut |
20:08.21 | Taintedwisp | the donations go into improving products |
20:08.28 | Triceron_ | and they offer premiums as well for higher donations |
20:08.35 | Taintedwisp | Buying products go into the makers pockets, and offer no encouragement whatsoever |
20:08.46 | Triceron_ | any excess of cash is still kept |
20:09.10 | Taintedwisp | You know what.. I forgot to not talk about this with you.. |
20:09.14 | Taintedwisp | because soon you will get... butthurt |
20:09.28 | Triceron_ | only when you start pulling facts out of your ass |
20:09.38 | Triceron_ | and trying to present them as reality |
20:09.49 | Triceron_ | otherwise I'm fine with regular discussion |
20:09.50 | Taintedwisp | facts? I have given you plenty... |
20:10.02 | Triceron_ | you were arguing things Blizzard never said |
20:10.07 | Triceron_ | the last time we talked |
20:10.48 | Triceron_ | and trying to pass it off as things they actually were gonna act on |
20:10.54 | Triceron_ | which was bullshit |
20:10.56 | Triceron_ | so |
20:11.26 | Taintedwisp | No I just look at patterns and say what I see, Usually a pattern will continue.. |
20:11.41 | Triceron_ | I can agree on that |
20:11.42 | Taintedwisp | Not hard to do, if you dont have your head up your ass over greed |
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20:13.12 | zenxxxx | tainted likes to talk lots of shit |
20:13.16 | zenxxxx | I wouldnt take him too seriosly |
20:13.28 | Triceron_ | my pet peeve |
20:13.32 | Triceron_ | I can't stand it |
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20:18.00 | Taintedwisp | DAMN DISCONNECTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
20:18.06 | Taintedwisp | DAMMIT, thats the 5th one today... |
20:18.11 | Triceron_ | ragequitter |
20:18.19 | Triceron_ | no need for excuses |
20:18.19 | Taintedwisp | Nah |
20:18.38 | Triceron_ | ggnore |
20:18.44 | Taintedwisp | lol |
20:20.23 | Taintedwisp | Still think the marketplace is stupid... |
20:20.25 | Taintedwisp | lol |
20:20.42 | TheSkunk___ | "just the idea that it's even a remote possibility of free to play has turned me completely off --- This just does it for me and Blizz. They've been heading away from community centered game design and towards corporate game design." |
20:20.46 | TheSkunk___ | wat. |
20:21.05 | Taintedwisp | Who said that Skunk? |
20:21.10 | Taintedwisp | They arre right though. |
20:21.14 | TheSkunk___ | random forum nub |
20:21.21 | Taintedwisp | hmm, they have a good point |
20:21.31 | Taintedwisp | Blizz has become more and more money hungry. |
20:21.36 | TheSkunk___ | Maybe so, but I'm not sure how free to play = corporate game design o.0 |
20:21.49 | Taintedwisp | Because it goes hand in hand with the marketplace for customs |
20:21.52 | Taintedwisp | Thas why |
20:22.07 | TheSkunk___ | hah, he wasn't even thinking of the marketplace |
20:22.17 | Taintedwisp | Then he was correct on accident haha |
20:22.40 | Triceron_ | That sounds like a hater's gonna hate response really |
20:23.04 | Taintedwisp | I treat chess like life, So I guess thats why my opinions seem hateful.... because I think past just the general idea, i think of what It will affect... |
20:23.12 | Taintedwisp | I treat Life like chess* |
20:23.23 | Triceron_ | well for the marketplace |
20:23.33 | Taintedwisp | Okay trice heres the idea, |
20:23.35 | Triceron_ | it seems like you're mostly against the division of the community |
20:23.48 | Triceron_ | and it's not about making money |
20:23.48 | Taintedwisp | I think this will be A LOT BETTER THEN me and you argueing on it randomly |
20:23.54 | Triceron_ | but the way it will be earned |
20:23.56 | Taintedwisp | yeah that too |
20:24.08 | Taintedwisp | Lets go make a bubble chart? i think is what they are called |
20:24.09 | Triceron_ | I'm trying to break down your argument |
20:24.12 | Taintedwisp | with pros Cons and middle grounds |
20:24.14 | Taintedwisp | each |
20:24.16 | Taintedwisp | and then compare them |
20:24.19 | Taintedwisp | okay? |
20:24.19 | TheSkunk___ | oh, gosh.. what have I done |
20:24.28 | Taintedwisp | That way no need to argue |
20:24.34 | Triceron_ | to make sure you don't bring in some random tangent to suggest otherwise |
20:24.40 | Taintedwisp | yeahh |
20:26.24 | Taintedwisp | This will take me about 20 minutes, I am actually thinking out everything I put on it |
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20:27.26 | Deadzergling | Hello, any devs on, or at least people experienced with solving de-syncing issues? |
20:37.01 | Taintedwisp | Okay Triceron I am done. uploading now |
20:37.35 | Taintedwisp | http://imgur.com/wXqnX |
20:38.26 | Vailreth|2 | i die too much |
20:38.50 | Taintedwisp | hahaha |
20:39.01 | Vailreth|2 | i just lost over 20000 cash in border lands reviving |
20:39.09 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
20:39.13 | Vailreth|2 | total |
20:39.19 | Taintedwisp | Vailreth http://imgur.com/wXqnX Did I forget anything? |
20:39.34 | Taintedwisp | made in MS paint |
20:39.36 | Taintedwisp | haha |
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20:39.52 | Taintedwisp | Well the... |
20:39.56 | Deadzergling | That's where I ended up making a lot of icons for my project |
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20:40.01 | Deadzergling | paint, lol |
20:40.07 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
20:40.18 | Deadzergling | adjusted them to look right using GIMP of course before importing them |
20:40.25 | Deadzergling | but still, the base drawings were often done there |
20:40.41 | Vailreth|2 | nope i think that covers it |
20:40.53 | Taintedwisp | oops |
20:40.58 | Taintedwisp | Sorry TRICE!!! |
20:41.00 | Taintedwisp | I ment Venn Diagram |
20:41.02 | Taintedwisp | hahah |
20:41.04 | Taintedwisp | Not bubble chart... |
20:41.56 | Zolden | FockeWulf: how's your modelling process doing? abything new to show? |
20:42.33 | Taintedwisp | I hope he makes the right thing hahaha |
20:42.38 | Taintedwisp | I do wanna see it though |
20:42.46 | Zolden | Kueken: do you plan to implement some kind of AI for the monsters in your map? |
20:42.47 | Taintedwisp | I can understand peopels points better this way |
20:43.57 | Deadzergling | so recently got to experience the joy of alpha testing, found 2 game breaking bugs in one weekend, lol |
20:47.09 | Taintedwisp | Aplha testing what? |
20:47.10 | Kueken | Zolden: nothing serious, just running towards the heroes and using abilities on occasion |
20:47.14 | Deadzergling | my project |
20:47.21 | Taintedwisp | your project sucks.. |
20:47.22 | Taintedwisp | what is it? |
20:47.23 | Taintedwisp | haha |
20:47.37 | Deadzergling | an RPG, put 8 months into it so far |
20:47.47 | Zolden | ok |
20:48.00 | Taintedwisp | HA!! |
20:48.06 | Zolden | fels like i never saw any AI in any map |
20:48.13 | Taintedwisp | my project has 10 months into it |
20:48.14 | Taintedwisp | :P |
20:48.20 | Taintedwisp | well actually 11 |
20:48.34 | Deadzergling | AI is a bit stupid typically anyways |
20:48.38 | Taintedwisp | but I am lazy and my team keeps qutitting |
20:48.39 | Taintedwisp | lol |
20:48.44 | Taintedwisp | But this newest team, they are great |
20:48.45 | Deadzergling | you can only make the monsters appear smart |
20:48.54 | Deadzergling | they never are, lol |
20:49.18 | Deadzergling | weren't you doing some wolf map or something? |
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20:49.47 | Taintedwisp | Wolf map? |
20:49.50 | Taintedwisp | hmmm |
20:49.52 | Taintedwisp | Dont think so |
20:49.53 | Deadzergling | lycanthropy |
20:49.58 | Taintedwisp | I helped someone Test that map |
20:49.59 | Deadzergling | maybe i mixed you up w/ somebody |
20:50.05 | Taintedwisp | In very early alpha stages |
20:50.06 | Taintedwisp | lol |
20:50.11 | Zolden | tug of wars or td's maps could be made to play vs smart AI, which wuold counter units like ass |
20:50.32 | Taintedwisp | Speaking of which Vailreth|2, Hows your Campaign going? you write your story for it yet? |
20:50.54 | Deadzergling | team huh, I'm not that cruel |
20:51.01 | Deadzergling | no way I'd make someone else stare at my data/triggers |
20:51.03 | Deadzergling | lol |
20:51.44 | Deadzergling | Well okay, I might if it means resolving my de-syncing issue |
20:51.55 | Vailreth|2 | i have been working on it off and on |
20:54.39 | Deadzergling | which map are you currently working on anyways Tainted, see a few connected to you |
20:56.53 | A1win | hmm I wonder what I should do next... might be a good idea to figure out combat a bit |
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20:57.40 | Taintedwisp | kk |
20:57.47 | Taintedwisp | :P |
20:57.49 | Zolden | A1win: make everyone to be able to dodge the projectiles |
20:57.50 | A1win | and figure out scale between tiles and units |
20:57.59 | Taintedwisp | Currently MAINLY evolution Frenzy with vailreth and soulcarverr |
20:58.00 | A1win | what projectiles? |
20:58.05 | Zolden | so they would fly further and destroy walls |
20:58.10 | Taintedwisp | But I have been tweaking Mini Chop Farms |
20:59.10 | Zolden | any projectiles, missiles for examples which are not autaiming, just fly until collide |
20:59.36 | A1win | well I don't want every wall to be destructible, would make the map kinda boring if you could just shoot your way through |
20:59.36 | A1win | yeah something like that would be nice |
21:02.29 | A1win | I have auto aim for players but the bullets hit anything in the way so you can't just shoot at enemies behind corners or other enemies |
21:02.46 | A1win | can't make it completely like diablo controls because of the 0.5 sec lag, auto attack helps a lot with that |
21:02.51 | A1win | so I'm sticking with SC2 controls but with some additions like collisions |
21:02.51 | Zolden | what if missiles will cost something? Or be rare? Or walls will blust hard and deal damage to everything around? |
21:02.57 | Taintedwisp | Did Triceron_ go offline? |
21:02.57 | A1win | yeah I think I'll mostly allow blowing up walls with something that is not unlimited |
21:03.18 | Taintedwisp | THIS IS FUCKING PISSING ME OFF!!! |
21:03.18 | Zolden | will the game be multiplayer and players will spawn in different dungeon points? |
21:03.18 | A1win | also my idea is that each map is a "challenge" where you can't just go back to start and heal etc like you can do in diablo, if you die, you are punished by taking you backwards to the previous map (but you keep all your items and stuff) |
21:03.18 | Taintedwisp | ITS THE 3RD BETA THIS WEEK THAT I HAVE FUCKING GOTTEN THAT MY COMPUTER CANT HOLD DAMMIT!!! |
21:03.18 | A1win | no, 1-4 player co-op |
21:03.18 | Taintedwisp | all closed beta.s.. |
21:03.18 | Zolden | will there be rpg elements and/or artifacts? |
21:03.18 | Taintedwisp | Whats with the closed betas.. |
21:03.19 | Zolden | Taintedwisp: if you wantto ask Triceron about modelling, ask me |
21:03.21 | A1win | artifacts? |
21:03.22 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
21:03.22 | Taintedwisp | no |
21:03.31 | A1win | but yeah, a lot of rpg elements |
21:03.33 | Deadzergling | dunno, I am using a closed alpha though |
21:03.37 | Taintedwisp | I aske dhim to make a Chart showing the pros and cons of the map marketplace and was wondering if he made one lol |
21:03.41 | Taintedwisp | <PROTECTED> |
21:03.42 | Taintedwisp | Thats mine |
21:03.42 | Taintedwisp | haha |
21:03.52 | Zolden | so, they spawn in the same room as heroes and go clear the dungeon? |
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21:04.06 | Taintedwisp | Not taht important :P |
21:04.21 | A1win | yeah, start in one place, and go to the exit pretty much |
21:04.37 | A1win | like in roguelikes |
21:04.50 | A1win | not exactly a roguelike though, no permanent death |
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21:06.02 | A1win | I'm also considering not having the kind of item system as most multiplayer rpgs do, more like something like mass effect where you just unlock items and then choose which ones to use |
21:06.27 | A1win | and instead of giving away items to your friends, you can copy your items by using some crafting materials |
21:08.23 | A1win | currently I'm thinking that there's just one crafting material, some metal, and you find better quality of it the deeper in the game you go (pretty much like different tiers of crafing materials in mmos) |
21:08.54 | A1win | and the deeper in the game you get, the higher level versions of items you can unlock |
21:09.21 | A1win | but when you copy an item, its level is capped at the level of that crafting material, or at the level of item you have unlocked yourself |
21:09.46 | A1win | so when some players get far in the game, they can slowly start duplicating the items they've acquired to other players |
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21:10.07 | Bounty | Hay Guyz |
21:10.12 | A1win | at some point, everyone's got so good gear that more people get even further in the game, and start spreadin gtheir gear to everyone else |
21:10.26 | Taintedwisp | Bounty... you suck... |
21:10.27 | Taintedwisp | lol |
21:10.36 | Bounty | Thats hurt bro |
21:10.39 | Bounty | That* |
21:10.41 | Taintedwisp | good... |
21:10.47 | Taintedwisp | felt good to me though |
21:10.48 | Taintedwisp | haha |
21:10.48 | Bounty | That hit me where i live |
21:11.04 | Taintedwisp | Your in favor of the map marketplace right ? |
21:11.18 | A1win | don't start again ;[ |
21:11.25 | Bounty | Yeah, why? |
21:11.28 | Taintedwisp | Okay heres what I am doing from now on, Lol, I am only looking at charts, So make a chart, and there will be no more angry discussion |
21:11.29 | Taintedwisp | hhhaa |
21:11.30 | Taintedwisp | http://imgur.com/wXqnX |
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21:11.42 | Taintedwisp | Thats just what I see in it |
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21:12.33 | Taintedwisp | DAMN I FORGOT A HUGE CON!!! |
21:12.34 | A1win | you're very pessimistic about it |
21:12.48 | Bounty | Blizzard would not take a cut from donations lol |
21:12.50 | Taintedwisp | Already Free maps will go Premium, so you will have to pay for maps that you used to get for free |
21:12.50 | A1win | "it could be bad so it has to be" |
21:12.59 | Taintedwisp | Yeah they would. |
21:13.09 | Bounty | Nope, thats why they're called donations |
21:13.09 | Taintedwisp | If it was their button, they would take a cut |
21:13.12 | Bounty | lol |
21:13.21 | Bounty | Nobody would use it then |
21:13.23 | Taintedwisp | Yeah but you have to donate to blizzard due to it being their assets lol |
21:13.40 | Taintedwisp | wait waht/? |
21:13.44 | Taintedwisp | why? |
21:13.49 | Bounty | As long as they put in a trial period for premium maps everything would be fine |
21:13.50 | Taintedwisp | if 10-15% went to blizz |
21:14.01 | Bounty | Like, you can play a map for free for X amount of times |
21:14.04 | Vindicator_ | slaps Taintedwisp with a 4r8a9i11n13b17o26w trout |
21:14.07 | Taintedwisp | lol |
21:14.16 | Taintedwisp | make a chart bounty... |
21:14.20 | Bounty | No? |
21:14.28 | Bounty | I got a call coming son |
21:14.30 | Taintedwisp | All new arguements must be int he form of a ms_paint, chart |
21:14.31 | Taintedwisp | haha |
21:14.35 | Bounty | in an hour and 15 mins |
21:14.40 | Bounty | he responded |
21:14.41 | Bounty | lol |
21:14.55 | Vindicator_ | You know what taintedwisp. you're exactly right. congrats, i don't know why i didn't see things the way you've made so perfectly clear now. here, have a cookie. |
21:15.01 | Zolden | why do you need this chart? wanna start a flaim on forum? |
21:15.08 | Taintedwisp | nah |
21:15.16 | Vindicator_ | you're too kind |
21:15.25 | Taintedwisp | its just easier to read a chart, then to hear peoples less thought out opinions |
21:15.26 | Deadzergling | hrrrmm, still ranting about map marketplace huh |
21:15.35 | Taintedwisp | If you make a chart you take a second to think on each of your opinions |
21:15.38 | Zolden | i think alot of effects are unpredictable, we must try the marketplace to feel what it realy means |
21:15.44 | Taintedwisp | I personally Discarded a few of my own stupid ones when I made that one |
21:15.48 | A1win | instead you can look at a less thought out chart |
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21:16.11 | Taintedwisp | The thing is zolden... When you give something they wont be able to take it away, it iwl be like the pop system, it wont be soo easy to remove it |
21:16.31 | Taintedwisp | That would mean admitting failure and can blizz really do that? |
21:16.49 | Bounty | They can |
21:16.59 | Bounty | But they admit failure without actually admitting it |
21:17.05 | Bounty | Blizzard Speak |
21:17.07 | Vindicator_ | http://kotaku.com/5927344/blizzard-ceo-we-know-diablo-iii-isnt-perfect |
21:17.09 | Taintedwisp | so they can just throw away 100s of hours of work..... |
21:17.24 | Taintedwisp | Yeah isnt perfect... so they arent admitting anything... they still think it is great |
21:17.24 | Taintedwisp | haha |
21:17.38 | Vindicator_ | you aren't ever satisfied are u |
21:17.57 | Taintedwisp | satisfied? with what a concept that hasnt come out yet? |
21:18.10 | Taintedwisp | I just learned a long time ago, that waiting till its in place is the wrong time to start bitching haha |
21:18.16 | Vindicator_ | slaps Taintedwisp with a big red brick |
21:18.24 | Deadzergling | sorry, a little new here, where is the facepalm icon? |
21:18.28 | Taintedwisp | lol |
21:18.30 | Bounty | Just prooved my point about what i said |
21:18.33 | Deadzergling | taintedwisp is making me need to use one |
21:18.37 | Bounty | about how blizz admits fault without actually admitting it |
21:18.38 | Taintedwisp | lol |
21:18.46 | Bounty | "Diablo 3 is not perfect and we know that" |
21:18.47 | Bounty | wrong |
21:18.53 | Bounty | it should have gone |
21:19.03 | Bounty | "Diablo 3 sucks ass and we know it" |
21:19.11 | Taintedwisp | No they dont... ever.. they change things... and VERY slowly... but they never remove it and when it has done its damage it will be too late |
21:19.13 | Taintedwisp | Like the Pop system |
21:19.14 | A1win | Deadzergling, nevermind him D: |
21:19.37 | Taintedwisp | the new Arcade is great, but it still has the now unused Popularity syste |
21:19.48 | A1win | you're going to have your face all red from all the facepalming otherwise |
21:19.55 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
21:20.24 | Deadzergling | maybe, in some ways I'm too tired to care, got very little sleep trying to resolve map breaking bugs on my project over the weekend, lol |
21:20.30 | Taintedwisp | loo |
21:20.36 | Taintedwisp | What were the bugs? |
21:20.46 | Deadzergling | first bug was a case of dissapearing items |
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21:21.07 | Taintedwisp | Hmm okay, I forget where, but someone on the forums had that exact same problem |
21:21.08 | Deadzergling | was just a small communication glitch between triggers/data |
21:21.16 | A1win | I've spent four days porting some c++ code into SC2 and then figuring out what I ported wrong :P now it's working o// |
21:21.25 | Taintedwisp | :P |
21:21.25 | Deadzergling | i set the triggers to look for the correct behavior again |
21:21.28 | Deadzergling | and all was well |
21:21.39 | Taintedwisp | Wiat A1win did you shit justt randomly break and then fix itself? |
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21:21.51 | Deadzergling | the second bug I haven't fixed yet |
21:21.52 | A1win | whaa? |
21:21.59 | Taintedwisp | oh nvm |
21:22.07 | A1win | no, I figured it out and it's working because of that :P |
21:22.08 | Deadzergling | Whenever I play the map with 3 + players, it de-syncs players until there is only 2 players |
21:22.16 | Taintedwisp | ahh |
21:22.16 | Bounty | lol |
21:22.20 | Bounty | now THATS a bug |
21:22.23 | Bounty | *applause* |
21:22.24 | Taintedwisp | Damn, I cant find anyone else whos shit randomly breaks... |
21:22.38 | Taintedwisp | EvoFrenzy Randomly breaks and Fixes itself... |
21:22.53 | A1win | well I had to use some trial & error because I had forgotten how exactly my generator worked |
21:22.55 | Deadzergling | yes it is, I'm trying to figure out if it is me |
21:23.00 | Deadzergling | or if it is blizzard |
21:23.07 | A1win | then I made it a bit simpler after I understood it again |
21:23.24 | Deadzergling | restructuring code is great isn't it a1win? lol |
21:23.38 | A1win | I had players using Macs drop out from CraftCraft before 1.5 but haven't had any complaints after that |
21:23.43 | Zolden | A1win: compliceted algorithms always require some facepalmable bug fixes, even if you port instead of create them |
21:23.51 | A1win | yeah... |
21:23.52 | Taintedwisp | I have 2 weird bugs with Evo Frenzy, 1 Shit randomly breaks, and 2. it doesnt load if I double click the file, I have to manually load it inside the eidtor, it launches the editor but doesnt load the map |
21:24.13 | *** join/#sc2mapster Reactorex (~Net_Creat@unaffiliated/reactorex) |
21:24.18 | A1win | I used wrong variables in several places, should probably not have done the porting at 5 in the morning |
21:24.32 | Deadzergling | oh, lol, yea a1win |
21:24.38 | Deadzergling | things that should make sense and be easy |
21:24.39 | Zolden | :) |
21:24.41 | Deadzergling | randomly don't |
21:24.44 | Deadzergling | late at night |
21:25.18 | A1win | I'll just show this again because it's so cool :o http://a1win.pp.fi/sc2/dc/m/map00030.html |
21:25.32 | Zolden | it's just a dangerous to the mental health to do programming later then 10 hours after you awake |
21:25.42 | Deadzergling | assume im staring at a map |
21:26.03 | Deadzergling | is this randomly generated or something? |
21:26.03 | A1win | yeah |
21:26.08 | Zolden | yeahm it's motherfucking cool, no shit |
21:26.17 | Deadzergling | what is the diff between clear space and dotted space? |
21:26.29 | A1win | nothing really, they're both floors |
21:26.30 | Zolden | i;d be proud of this too |
21:26.35 | A1win | dotted is "tunnels" and white is indoors |
21:27.00 | Deadzergling | i see, i take it your project randomly does this every map? |
21:27.17 | A1win | it can do it multiple times per game |
21:28.13 | Deadzergling | nifty, very diabloesque |
21:28.13 | A1win | takes about 30 seconds to generate a map that big, but I'll probably use smaller maps anyway |
21:30.15 | A1win | it also dynamically updates walls around players so that there are only 19x19 walls at a time per player (and less if they are near each other) |
21:30.15 | A1win | *at most 19x19 |
21:30.15 | A1win | (minus empty space) |
21:30.15 | A1win | so it's fine on performance |