| 00:00.00 | Ahli | you could send them a small testmap with that unit as a "unit test" ^^ |
| 00:00.09 | Bommes | Also the Toss-A-Tron isn't working anymore post 1.5 :( |
| 00:00.12 | Bommes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-NuykXgHWU |
| 00:00.23 | Bommes | which is kind of sad |
| 00:00.46 | FockeWulf | I have a few suggestions on how to improve how the game handles them now that I know something about how they are made. |
| 00:01.33 | FockeWulf | Also another bug. If you make a custom model with an integrated turret and you use the turret actor you do NOT want to set a host actor, unlike if they were 2 separate models. |
| 00:01.45 | mille25 | alright guys, its late |
| 00:01.50 | mille25 | need to sleep :D |
| 00:01.57 | mille25 | cu |
| 00:01.59 | FockeWulf | Because this causes the TurretZ attachment and everything attached to it do default to the center of the model. |
| 00:02.03 | FockeWulf | I |
| 00:02.14 | FockeWulf | I've got a youtube video showing that little issue. |
| 00:03.07 | FockeWulf | Also I'm noticing sigificant drop in performance cost depending on how the bone structure is set up. |
| 00:03.47 | FockeWulf | and I have a suggestion for a modification of the m3 file format to get rid of a lot of annoying issues with attachments. |
| 00:04.06 | Blizz-Deletarius | such as? |
| 00:04.14 | FockeWulf | Basically the model needs to have a special bone that the game reconizes as the base bone. |
| 00:04.19 | FockeWulf | Something with no skin |
| 00:04.51 | FockeWulf | the problem with actor attachments is that they act more like 2 units moving in positions relative to eachother. |
| 00:05.03 | FockeWulf | This is the biggest source of lag for them since the performance cost becomes huge. |
| 00:05.25 | FockeWulf | It would be better for the game engine to link the "Base bone" of the attached model to the "Base bone" of the host model. |
| 00:05.36 | FockeWulf | Making the attachment part of the higharchy. |
| 00:05.47 | FockeWulf | This would lesson the performance cost by a huge factor |
| 00:06.08 | FockeWulf | I tested it by linking them manually with imported models in 3dmax and there was a large performance improvement. |
| 00:06.29 | FockeWulf | so anymore when I'm dealing with hybrids I manually link them in 3d max. |
| 00:06.35 | Bommes | Is the Ragdoll system already included in the HotS Beta melee maps by the way? |
| 00:06.52 | Bommes | I know it was already functional in the Battle Reports |
| 00:08.07 | FockeWulf | But I recently ran into another bug where the game will take geometry off of a bone of one model and attach it to the head attachment of every other unit on the map. |
| 00:08.25 | FockeWulf | I got to make 3 custom models from scratch because of that little issue. |
| 00:08.32 | FockeWulf | Working on the 3rd one now. |
| 00:09.07 | FockeWulf | And also |
| 00:09.32 | FockeWulf | Leru and I are planning to do a huge string of tutorials about custom modeling and it would be nice if Blizz would help us with technical info we don't know. |
| 00:09.49 | FockeWulf | Leru is focusing on creating/texturing/animating the model. |
| 00:10.18 | FockeWulf | I'm focusing on how starcraft uses the model and a bunch of other little details and tricks I've discovered. |
| 00:10.38 | FockeWulf | I probably know as much about that as almost anyone outside the devs themselves at this point. |
| 00:10.56 | Blizz-Artestru | There's a lot of documentation coming with the art tools. |
| 00:11.00 | FockeWulf | I've been actively helping leru to determine which bit in the .m3 format does what. |
| 00:12.32 | FockeWulf | That may be. I would highly suggest you talk directly to leru about it and get his opinions on the documentation. Also the guy whos making the blender scripts (for those who don't want to spend 3k on 3dmax) |
| 00:13.57 | FockeWulf | The biggest issue right now is all we have is the .m3 plugins for 3dmax and blender to tide the community over until the official ones come out in... only god seems to know at this point. |
| 00:15.27 | FockeWulf | The overwhelming issue with the tools, besides the lack of basic things like shield geometry is the shader that the tools use doesn't seem to mesh well with the shader sc2 uses. |
| 00:15.41 | FockeWulf | Metallic textures come out like ceramics. |
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| 00:22.08 | Blizz-Deletarius | alrighty |
| 00:22.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | you people have a great weekend |
| 00:24.08 | Bommes | why do microwaves have to beep all the time? |
| 00:24.11 | Bommes | it doesn't make sene |
| 00:24.12 | Bommes | sense |
| 00:24.21 | Bommes | Blizz-Deletarius: You too :) bye |
| 00:24.59 | Sixen | <3 Deletarius |
| 00:26.42 | tordy | HAPPY FRIDAY. HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND!!!! |
| 00:26.44 | tordy | dam im late |
| 00:28.01 | Blizz-Artestru | He's still here, I'll tell him! |
| 00:29.04 | FockeWulf | Ya gn devs. |
| 00:29.24 | FockeWulf | TS3 server: Teamspeak.gamingrapture.net if you want to get on and play customs :) |
| 00:33.45 | tordy | thanks |
| 00:37.40 | Saltpeter | Need ideas for towers. :( The Quadspine is great, but I can't think of anything that even comes close to its coolness level without involving more spinecrawlers. |
| 00:40.05 | Tolkfan | good night everyone :) |
| 00:40.09 | Tolkfan | and go watch my cutscene! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTsPqWvG5ko :D |
| 00:41.11 | Bibendus | good weekend Blizz-Deletarius and Blizz-Artestru |
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| 00:53.05 | Bibendus | well |
| 00:53.09 | Bibendus | anyone wants to test hive keeper |
| 00:53.17 | Saltpeter | Sure, I'll test stuff. :o |
| 00:53.21 | Bibendus | while I finish my laundry? |
| 00:53.22 | Bibendus | xD |
| 00:53.27 | Saltpeter | Oh. |
| 00:53.30 | Bibendus | lol |
| 00:53.31 | Saltpeter | By myself, you mean? ;>.> |
| 00:53.34 | Bibendus | y lol |
| 00:53.39 | Bibendus | ahuahuah |
| 00:53.41 | Bibendus | whatever ill test later |
| 00:53.46 | Bibendus | the lag should be gone |
| 00:53.49 | Bibendus | or at least I hope :D |
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| 00:56.49 | tordy | is hive keeper on NA? i still havent tried it yet |
| 01:05.50 | Bibendus | yes |
| 01:05.52 | Bibendus | it is |
| 01:06.03 | Bibendus | but I didn't publish the last version yet |
| 01:06.05 | Bibendus | I haz to finish laundry :D |
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| 01:08.34 | Vailreth | blarg |
| 01:15.21 | Vailreth | hah |
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| 01:38.43 | Bibendus | Congratulations! Youve been selected to participate in the beta test of StarCraft® II: Heart of the Swarm. |
| 01:38.43 | Bibendus | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.46 | Bibendus | yeee |
| 01:39.17 | Vailreth | Noo i havent been... |
| 01:40.23 | Bibendus | why the hell |
| 01:40.25 | Bibendus | do I have 2 of them |
| 01:41.01 | Vailreth | can you give me a beta key? |
| 01:41.13 | Vailreth | if you have two... |
| 01:41.32 | Bibendus | it's not a key |
| 01:41.34 | Bibendus | it's in the account |
| 01:41.37 | Bibendus | i have it 2 times :O |
| 01:41.37 | Vailreth | ah |
| 01:43.34 | Bibendus | StarCraft II®: Heart of the Swarm |
| 01:43.34 | Bibendus | [SCII-2] |
| 01:43.34 | Bibendus | Beta |
| 01:43.34 | Bibendus | StarCraft II®: Heart of the Swarm |
| 01:43.34 | Bibendus | [SCII-1] |
| 01:43.35 | Bibendus | Beta |
| 01:43.50 | Bibendus | weird |
| 01:45.56 | Vailreth | not really i have two ptr regions in my acocunt |
| 01:46.13 | Vailreth | SCII1 and SCII2 |
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| 01:49.02 | Bibendus | could be |
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| 01:49.55 | ckSynergy | has anyone found a way to get behaviors on units to be permanent, and why there is a behavior flag field that says permanent but does nothing? |
| 01:50.16 | Vailreth | unfortunetly i have not |
| 01:51.18 | Bibendus | ? |
| 01:51.24 | Bibendus | why don't u simply give duration 0? |
| 01:51.44 | Vailreth | the behaviors are still removed when a unit dies |
| 01:52.09 | Bibendus | O_o |
| 01:52.16 | Bibendus | what do you mean |
| 01:52.19 | Bibendus | you are reviving it? |
| 01:52.45 | Vailreth | i am, not sure about ck though |
| 01:53.09 | Bibendus | revive doesn't properly revive the unit |
| 01:53.13 | Bibendus | it seems to duplicate it |
| 01:53.13 | Bibendus | :| |
| 01:53.19 | Bibendus | you should use death prevention instead |
| 01:53.39 | Vailreth | thats not what i want. |
| 01:54.12 | Bibendus | :| |
| 01:54.22 | Bibendus | can't you do it with death prevention? |
| 01:54.29 | Vailreth | no |
| 01:54.35 | ckSynergy | I think you can |
| 01:54.36 | Bibendus | reason? |
| 01:54.38 | Vailreth | i need the heros to be able to die. |
| 01:54.39 | ckSynergy | and I think its what should be done |
| 01:54.46 | ckSynergy | Vailtreth |
| 01:54.48 | Bibendus | to die why? |
| 01:54.53 | Bibendus | you can simulate death |
| 01:54.58 | Bibendus | with death prevention |
| 01:55.01 | ckSynergy | Hold on, I get what hes saying |
| 01:55.08 | Bibendus | but your units don't really die |
| 01:55.30 | Bibendus | I just did it for the last version of hive keeper |
| 01:55.35 | ckSynergy | Vail: You clone the unit with a modify unit effect, hide one and kill the other |
| 01:55.37 | Bibendus | that I'll release tomorrow |
| 01:56.03 | Bibendus | I did better |
| 01:56.15 | ckSynergy | ? |
| 01:56.17 | ckSynergy | how so? |
| 01:56.22 | Bibendus | unit prevention gives a behavior |
| 01:56.29 | Bibendus | on that behavior I set the unit invisible |
| 01:56.35 | Bibendus | and I attach an actor |
| 01:56.39 | Bibendus | (unit death) |
| 01:56.44 | Bibendus | ordering to do the death animation |
| 01:56.51 | Bibendus | :P |
| 01:56.56 | ckSynergy | 1 actor per unit? |
| 01:57.02 | Bibendus | y |
| 01:57.10 | Bibendus | then I have like 1 minute to revive the unit |
| 01:57.23 | Bibendus | if it's revived the unit becomes visibile and the attached actor (the body) is removed |
| 01:57.38 | ckSynergy | one problem |
| 01:57.42 | Bibendus | else I keep the body on ground for another minute because I'll need it for my scripts |
| 01:57.49 | ckSynergy | how do you assign score, kills, and mineral values? |
| 01:57.54 | Bibendus | for corspes carried in the graveyard |
| 01:57.59 | Bibendus | where? |
| 01:58.04 | ckSynergy | on the unit |
| 01:58.09 | ckSynergy | the enemy unit |
| 01:58.16 | Bibendus | dunno |
| 01:58.18 | Bibendus | is that related? |
| 01:59.08 | Kueken | (03:49:58) ckSynergy: has anyone found a way to get behaviors on units to be permanent, and why there is a behavior flag field that says permanent but does nothing? |
| 01:59.09 | ckSynergy | very much so |
| 01:59.18 | Kueken | as in persistent through death? |
| 01:59.21 | ckSynergy | yes |
| 01:59.56 | Kueken | if a behavior is present on the unit from the start, if you added it in the unit's behavior field in data, it will persist through death |
| 02:00.03 | Kueken | it will even remember its stack count |
| 02:00.08 | ckSynergy | right but what if its applied after |
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| 02:00.13 | Bibendus | I think he's talking about dynamic behaviors |
| 02:00.19 | Vailreth | yes |
| 02:00.24 | Kueken | you can add it first, then remove it |
| 02:00.26 | ckSynergy | right |
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| 02:00.34 | ckSynergy | and even a behavior on the unit that applies other behaviors |
| 02:00.36 | Bibendus | if u have a lot |
| 02:00.37 | Bibendus | :P |
| 02:00.38 | nerf_ukraine | hello! |
| 02:00.39 | Kueken | and add it dynamically afterwards, which will still be remembered |
| 02:00.42 | Bibendus | hi |
| 02:00.42 | ckSynergy | those other behaviors will be removed and wont be reapplied |
| 02:01.04 | Bibendus | that's not a proper way |
| 02:01.11 | Kueken | you can try to add every behavior which could ever be on a unit to the unit from the start |
| 02:01.18 | ckSynergy | >.> |
| 02:01.36 | Kueken | well, it might not be a good way |
| 02:01.41 | Kueken | but it should work |
| 02:02.01 | Kueken | and I don't know of another one besides preventing the units from actually dying |
| 02:02.04 | Bibendus | depends on what behavior he has |
| 02:02.09 | Kueken | or using triggers to reapply behaviors |
| 02:02.10 | Bibendus | if he needs to remember the correct timer |
| 02:02.12 | nerf_ukraine | does anyone want to make some map changes for $$ =o |
| 02:02.14 | Bibendus | or the target that casted it |
| 02:02.18 | Bibendus | there are too many variables |
| 02:02.26 | Bibendus | depends on how much $$ |
| 02:02.27 | Bibendus | :D |
| 02:02.38 | Bibendus | and on the changes |
| 02:02.46 | ckSynergy | ^ what he said lol |
| 02:02.59 | nerf_ukraine | i have a partially made map |
| 02:03.09 | Bibendus | what kind of map |
| 02:03.14 | nerf_ukraine | 2v2 |
| 02:03.15 | Bibendus | melee, custom |
| 02:03.17 | Bibendus | genre? |
| 02:03.26 | nerf_ukraine | i need some econ changes done |
| 02:03.27 | Bibendus | is it melee? |
| 02:03.40 | Bibendus | econ? |
| 02:03.45 | nerf_ukraine | and preferably to mirror the 2 corners |
| 02:04.08 | Bibendus | need to know the genre |
| 02:04.10 | Bibendus | of the map |
| 02:04.13 | Bibendus | melee? |
| 02:04.16 | Bibendus | modified melee? |
| 02:04.19 | Bibendus | arcade? |
| 02:04.22 | nerf_ukraine | =o |
| 02:04.32 | nerf_ukraine | 2v2 |
| 02:04.40 | Bibendus | melee? |
| 02:04.40 | nerf_ukraine | lol |
| 02:04.44 | nerf_ukraine | sure? |
| 02:04.44 | Bibendus | normal sc2 play? |
| 02:04.49 | nerf_ukraine | yes standard |
| 02:04.52 | Bibendus | ok |
| 02:04.57 | ckSynergy | be back in a bit |
| 02:04.59 | Bibendus | so it's just terrain? |
| 02:05.10 | nerf_ukraine | with changes to unit behavior and a building that gives you gas |
| 02:05.35 | Bibendus | doesn't seem too complicated |
| 02:05.35 | nerf_ukraine | and the ability to give a building a power radius |
| 02:05.38 | Bibendus | anyone could do that |
| 02:05.51 | Bibendus | like the pylon? |
| 02:05.55 | nerf_ukraine | as in |
| 02:05.59 | nerf_ukraine | the buildings themselves |
| 02:06.03 | nerf_ukraine | are pylons |
| 02:06.04 | nerf_ukraine | =o |
| 02:06.14 | nerf_ukraine | in the sense of power range.. |
| 02:06.23 | Bibendus | y |
| 02:06.32 | Bibendus | did you try to post in the forums? |
| 02:06.34 | nerf_ukraine | details can be explained later |
| 02:06.37 | Bibendus | you'll find thousand of people |
| 02:06.40 | nerf_ukraine | i have them |
| 02:06.46 | nerf_ukraine | i just want a quality job |
| 02:06.48 | nerf_ukraine | :D |
| 02:06.56 | Bibendus | on the forum |
| 02:07.04 | Bibendus | you can give these details and you'll find quality job |
| 02:07.11 | Bibendus | how much do you will to pay |
| 02:07.21 | nerf_ukraine | but irc is the dedicated people |
| 02:07.27 | nerf_ukraine | who can ez mode what i want |
| 02:07.28 | Bibendus | even the forums |
| 02:07.29 | Bibendus | :P |
| 02:07.33 | nerf_ukraine | :D |
| 02:07.44 | Bibendus | the problem is that people wants to know exactly what they need to do |
| 02:07.49 | Bibendus | to know how much time is required |
| 02:07.53 | Bibendus | and how much you'll give them |
| 02:08.00 | nerf_ukraine | on the small amt of info i gave you |
| 02:08.02 | nerf_ukraine | how many hours |
| 02:08.20 | Bibendus | how is the terrain % done |
| 02:08.35 | Bibendus | and size of the map |
| 02:09.25 | nerf_ukraine | the map is all there, pretty large for 2v2, just needs some landscaping and terrain/collision detection |
| 02:09.53 | nerf_ukraine | i did landscaping to half the map |
| 02:10.04 | Bibendus | so like 1-2 hours of terrain editing? |
| 02:10.23 | nerf_ukraine | yep |
| 02:10.27 | Bibendus | btw first remember that people usually focus on 1 thing |
| 02:10.39 | Bibendus | so it's hard you'll find one that can do good terraining and data and triggering |
| 02:11.03 | Bibendus | maybe you can finish the terrain and give the data editing to someone |
| 02:11.31 | nerf_ukraine | how long would it take you to do the other changes |
| 02:11.32 | Bibendus | about the rest you were not enough specific |
| 02:11.41 | nerf_ukraine | power radius around buildings |
| 02:11.44 | Bibendus | ok |
| 02:11.47 | Bibendus | and the other 2 things? |
| 02:12.25 | nerf_ukraine | modifying the probe, etc. to mine in a different way |
| 02:12.35 | Bibendus | like? |
| 02:12.44 | nerf_ukraine | for a period of time |
| 02:12.53 | nerf_ukraine | larger collection amt |
| 02:13.00 | Bibendus | huh? |
| 02:13.03 | nerf_ukraine | er |
| 02:13.04 | nerf_ukraine | as in |
| 02:13.10 | nerf_ukraine | you get x mins per second |
| 02:13.14 | nerf_ukraine | but instead of 1 mineral |
| 02:13.18 | Bibendus | oh ok |
| 02:13.19 | nerf_ukraine | he keeps gettin em |
| 02:13.34 | nerf_ukraine | then at a certain amount, returns em |
| 02:13.37 | Bibendus | doesn't seem too complicated |
| 02:13.48 | nerf_ukraine | and finally |
| 02:13.48 | Bibendus | by trigger it would be easy but I don't know using data |
| 02:13.58 | nerf_ukraine | a building that gathers gas |
| 02:14.09 | nerf_ukraine | unlocked after certain tech |
| 02:14.14 | nerf_ukraine | set rate of gas income |
| 02:14.18 | Bibendus | mmm |
| 02:14.21 | Bibendus | there was already one |
| 02:14.24 | Bibendus | in the campaign |
| 02:14.32 | Bibendus | automatic vespene gayser something |
| 02:14.36 | Bibendus | can't you use it? |
| 02:14.42 | nerf_ukraine | i wasnt aware |
| 02:14.55 | nerf_ukraine | i was going to just use the standard extractor etc |
| 02:15.07 | nerf_ukraine | ill look into that |
| 02:15.11 | nerf_ukraine | those 3 things though |
| 02:15.14 | Bibendus | in the campaign |
| 02:15.15 | nerf_ukraine | how long |
| 02:15.18 | Bibendus | ou could choose between |
| 02:15.22 | Bibendus | auto extractor |
| 02:15.25 | Bibendus | and something else |
| 02:15.39 | nerf_ukraine | 2 hours? |
| 02:15.39 | Bibendus | like 4 scv instead of 3 in a vespene mine |
| 02:15.50 | Bibendus | ye not too much |
| 02:16.00 | Bibendus | few hours and it should be done |
| 02:16.03 | Bibendus | for the protoss thing |
| 02:16.17 | Bibendus | if you are just asking the protoss mechanic |
| 02:16.25 | Bibendus | it should just be a matter of copy paste |
| 02:16.25 | nerf_ukraine | terran buildings would need it too |
| 02:16.35 | nerf_ukraine | to build within a range of ea other basically |
| 02:16.43 | nerf_ukraine | not out in clusterfuck land |
| 02:17.06 | Bibendus | now just post the thing |
| 02:17.07 | Bibendus | on the forums |
| 02:17.25 | Saltpeter | So, I was thinking of how to prevent computer-crashing swarms of spawned units in my game. I was thinking that any unit that takes more than 20 seconds to reach the next marker in its path will automatically die. |
| 02:18.33 | nerf_ukraine | spawn and kill them off based on distance from the hero :D |
| 02:18.36 | nerf_ukraine | hahaha |
| 02:18.56 | Saltpeter | No heroes in my game. @.@ |
| 02:19.06 | Saltpeter | I don't like hero units. |
| 02:19.17 | nerf_ukraine | i like having an army |
| 02:19.21 | nerf_ukraine | lol |
| 02:20.19 | Bibendus | k guys |
| 02:20.21 | Bibendus | g night |
| 02:20.27 | Saltpeter | o7 |
| 02:20.44 | Bibendus | and get ready for the super hive keeper patch tomorrow |
| 02:27.16 | Vailreth | i just laughed .. |
| 02:27.39 | Vailreth | a member of the Jourmungand brood killing a thor.... It would be sooo fitting |
| 03:24.53 | ckSynergy | oh yea this works MUCH better |
| 03:25.13 | Saltpeter | ? |
| 03:26.39 | ckSynergy | oh, data only revive |
| 03:50.25 | ckSynergy | and the room dies lol |
| 03:58.39 | Taintedwisp | aCongratulations! You’ve been selected to participate in the beta test of StarCraft® II: Heart of the Swarm™. |
| 03:58.50 | Taintedwisp | Titties |
| 03:59.00 | Kueken | everyone gets beta :/ |
| 03:59.05 | Kueken | wait me too :D |
| 03:59.06 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 03:59.12 | Taintedwisp | HAHAH |
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| 04:12.11 | Taintedwisp | i GOT HOTS I GOT HOTS I GOT HOTS HAHAA |
| 04:12.12 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 04:19.10 | nerf_ukraine | you fucker |
| 04:20.13 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 04:20.54 | ckSynergy | enjoy your swarm host |
| 04:21.02 | ckSynergy | I'll take lurker over swarm anyday |
| 04:21.13 | nerf_ukraine | too bad swarm eggs look like indian tears |
| 04:40.49 | Taintedwisp | hhaha |
| 04:59.41 | ckSynergy | I thought they popped outta its back? |
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| 05:06.30 | ckSynergy | hey |
| 05:06.59 | hobbidude | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.57 | hobbidude | i have a unit that has an unitcast heal abilities. As part of my games achievements you get something if your unit heal a certain amount of life from other units |
| 05:08.07 | hobbidude | how would i detect his in triggers? |
| 05:08.12 | hobbidude | and the amount |
| 05:08.44 | soulcarverr | You don't. |
| 05:08.57 | hobbidude | ?? |
| 05:09.04 | hobbidude | it done in starbattle |
| 05:09.37 | soulcarverr | You could with triggers but it would prolly be lag inducing. |
| 05:10.39 | hobbidude | hey wulf |
| 05:20.14 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:21.20 | Taintedwisp | Hobbidude Unitcast? You mean Auto Cast? I think Autocast still pushes the button, it just does it by itself. Though I could be wrong |
| 05:21.41 | Taintedwisp | Nvm |
| 05:21.46 | Taintedwisp | didnt read your whole quesiton |
| 05:22.44 | Kueken | everyone is so scared of lags caused by triggers -.- |
| 05:23.09 | Kueken | if you don't do stupid things, triggers perform very well |
| 05:23.46 | Kueken | if you increase a variable per player per cast of a heal, that is nothing, the engine can handle that easily. |
| 05:24.33 | hobbidude | sorry yes i ment autocast |
| 05:24.40 | Kueken | hobbidude, you can detect either the ability cast or the execution of the heal effect |
| 05:24.56 | soulcarverr | I'm saying to track the healed ammount it could be event intensive. |
| 05:25.08 | hobbidude | i guess i should ask my data editor first how the heal abiltiy works |
| 05:25.13 | Kueken | events hardly cause lags |
| 05:25.18 | hobbidude | like how does it determin how much to heal |
| 05:25.27 | Kueken | they only do in singleplayer with enabled debugger |
| 05:25.28 | soulcarverr | You can have events for changes in units hp |
| 05:25.56 | soulcarverr | Too many events firing at once can lag... |
| 05:26.02 | hobbidude | sure but how do you detect a change as a result of an ability |
| 05:26.02 | Kueken | that one would trigger for any native unit regeneration as well |
| 05:26.36 | Kueken | no, soulcarver, tons of events firing doesn't cause lag, its the actions associated with these events, which cause the lags |
| 05:26.58 | Kueken | if the actions are handled correctly, there is not much to worry about |
| 05:27.17 | hobbidude | exactly |
| 05:27.38 | soulcarverr | If 3000 events fire at the same time the game will stutter |
| 05:27.46 | Kueken | by far the biggest source of lag for most maps is careless handling of the actions for an event that fires often |
| 05:27.58 | Taintedwisp | I would say something... but I dont know jack shit about triggers AHAHAHA, besides changing a value here and there, though I have been told, that if you have over 500 lines in a trigger that it starts to lag |
| 05:28.01 | Taintedwisp | Just what I have been told |
| 05:28.20 | Kueken | try it out, I tried several thousand events per second without associated actions |
| 05:28.25 | Kueken | didn't even notice |
| 05:28.45 | soulcarverr | Per second is a lot of time. |
| 05:28.58 | Kueken | I think I went in millions |
| 05:29.05 | Kueken | dont remember exactly |
| 05:29.07 | Kueken | a LOT |
| 05:29.17 | Taintedwisp | Kueken... you might need a life |
| 05:29.18 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 05:29.32 | Kueken | was shortly after release, though, so it might have changed, who knows ^^ |
| 05:29.37 | soulcarverr | At the same exact time can be a problem. |
| 05:29.38 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 05:29.39 | hobbidude | ya he can spend it educated people |
| 05:31.11 | Kueken | since I installed hots beta I cannot start wol game or editor anymore :/ |
| 05:34.04 | Taintedwisp | SHIT!!! |
| 05:34.08 | Taintedwisp | Are you serious Kueken? |
| 05:34.13 | Taintedwisp | Please tell me your joking.. |
| 05:34.23 | Kueken | no |
| 05:34.24 | Taintedwisp | Hope my crap doesnt do that |
| 05:34.44 | Taintedwisp | What happens when you try to open one? |
| 05:36.30 | Taintedwisp | Mine opened fine |
| 05:37.20 | Kueken | good for you |
| 05:37.42 | Taintedwisp | What happens when you try to open yours? |
| 05:37.50 | Taintedwisp | Does it just not load? |
| 05:37.57 | Kueken | my SC2 says "An internal eeror occurred, please restart. If the problem persist, contact support" |
| 05:38.07 | Taintedwisp | Try deleting the WTF and the Cache |
| 05:38.17 | Taintedwisp | in both beta and WoL |
| 05:38.39 | Kueken | did already |
| 05:38.49 | hobbidude | blizz guys asleep here? |
| 05:39.03 | Taintedwisp | Yeha hobbidude, they left probably around 4 1/2 hours ago |
| 05:39.12 | Kueken | they usually idle through the weekend |
| 05:39.14 | Taintedwisp | 12PM to 9PM ESt |
| 05:39.16 | Taintedwisp | yeah that too |
| 05:39.23 | hobbidude | oo |
| 05:39.29 | hobbidude | so there not that committed |
| 05:39.29 | Taintedwisp | You can send them messages through Query and they will get them Monday |
| 05:39.41 | hobbidude | no was thinking more for you lol |
| 05:39.44 | Taintedwisp | I sent this one earlier |
| 05:39.45 | Taintedwisp | https://www.dropbox.com/s/tv47xd1fvkxgxef/Hero%20Select%20Prototype6.SC2Map |
| 05:39.47 | Taintedwisp | Whoops |
| 05:39.48 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:39.50 | Taintedwisp | Ignore that |
| 05:39.58 | Taintedwisp | Blizz-Artestru, I know your not there, but I also know you read this when you come online. Hey I had an idea for a new HoTS unit, I noticed on the General chat in the beta that A LOT of people were complaining about the lack of new units, since sooo many were cut, How about a Defensive structure, that Pulsates and every so often Regenerates Sheilds of units. or something |
| 05:40.00 | Taintedwisp | Haha |
| 05:40.02 | Taintedwisp | that was the one |
| 05:40.12 | Taintedwisp | LOTS of people were complaining in HoTS beta |
| 05:40.37 | soulcarverr | Ppl always complain. |
| 05:40.49 | hobbidude | hwy doesn't they just give the core a field that helps with sheild |
| 05:40.56 | Kueken | soulcarverr, just tried it again |
| 05:40.56 | hobbidude | then it natural ups to cloak with mothership |
| 05:40.57 | FockeWulf | Holy crap my own fanbase conspired to RP backstab me in my own diplomacy map O.o |
| 05:40.59 | Taintedwisp | Well they had a good reason, Nearly Half of the new announced units have been cut haha |
| 05:41.00 | FockeWulf | I LOVE IT!! |
| 05:41.08 | Kueken | 100k events at once, empty function call |
| 05:41.22 | Taintedwisp | ANd teh Widow Mine has been reverted to A basic Spidermine |
| 05:41.23 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:41.23 | Kueken | broke the thread limit, but didn't even stutter noticeably |
| 05:42.04 | Taintedwisp | I do agree that their should be more for Quick Match though |
| 05:42.13 | Taintedwisp | But personally I know the Campaign will give me everything I need |
| 05:42.14 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 05:42.14 | hobbidude | sorry but i've lost most of faith in blizzard employee except for the artist |
| 05:42.23 | Taintedwisp | Why hobbidude? |
| 05:42.33 | Taintedwisp | Artestru and Deletarius are both helpful |
| 05:42.38 | Taintedwisp | and Tenarsis |
| 05:42.40 | Taintedwisp | when he comes haha |
| 05:42.42 | hobbidude | ya |
| 05:42.45 | hobbidude | kk maybe them too lol |
| 05:42.46 | Kueken | the guys hanging around in the channel here are awesome, they are most helpful |
| 05:42.47 | soulcarverr | Depends what your doing.... I could code it fine. A noob prolly wouldn't. |
| 05:43.27 | hobbidude | ok maybe ist just yim |
| 05:43.33 | hobbidude | rock seems to know what he's doing |
| 05:43.36 | hobbidude | just don't have the power |
| 05:44.35 | Taintedwisp | Why does Sears send me Job Request... for an area 2 hours away from my house.. I cant commute 2 hours for minimum wage haha |
| 05:44.42 | Taintedwisp | Thats 4 hours a day.... and A LOT OF GAS |
| 05:44.43 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 05:45.08 | Kueken | code yourself a teleporter |
| 05:45.12 | hobbidude | i already gave blizz a sugguest for the mothership core. I don't know why they just have the core stay over the nexus and use its energy |
| 05:45.24 | hobbidude | i did the teleporter already |
| 05:45.29 | hobbidude | o you mean real life |
| 05:45.31 | Kueken | it used to be stationary in an earlier build |
| 05:45.40 | Kueken | but it got changed |
| 05:45.44 | hobbidude | ya but i had it own energy |
| 05:45.54 | Taintedwisp | Codeing a Teleporter is nothing.. |
| 05:45.55 | Taintedwisp | I did that.. |
| 05:45.57 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:45.59 | Taintedwisp | 1 event.. |
| 05:46.03 | hobbidude | the root of the problem was the inabilitiy to use the energy from nexus |
| 05:46.06 | Kueken | in an even earlier build, the core's abilities were on the nexus itself |
| 05:46.08 | Taintedwisp | 1 action |
| 05:46.09 | Taintedwisp | hahaa |
| 05:46.12 | Kueken | that got changed as well |
| 05:46.30 | Taintedwisp | Yeah |
| 05:46.38 | Taintedwisp | I still would like a Sheild Regen Building |
| 05:46.56 | hobbidude | could even use the oblisek model too |
| 05:46.58 | Taintedwisp | 300/300 to buy, But it pulsates a large radius and heals sheilds when you activate it |
| 05:47.17 | Taintedwisp | Eh, I would rather it be a beefier looking building closer to the Sheild Batter in looks |
| 05:47.29 | Taintedwisp | has a 60 sec Cool Down |
| 05:47.42 | hobbidude | i'd like to see toss have a abiltiy that makes super probes like the humans in war3 |
| 05:47.51 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 05:47.59 | Taintedwisp | Nah we dont need all that |
| 05:48.40 | Kueken | right |
| 05:48.47 | Kueken | we just need lurkers and reavers |
| 05:48.47 | Taintedwisp | OH I need everyone to go support http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6307501153?page=4 Mine and Bibenduses post |
| 05:48.48 | Taintedwisp | hahah |
| 05:48.54 | Taintedwisp | We could REALLY use those assets |
| 05:48.59 | Taintedwisp | You know we could |
| 05:49.04 | Taintedwisp | Support it... |
| 05:49.06 | Taintedwisp | so we can get it |
| 05:49.07 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 05:49.54 | hobbidude | oh right.. anyone had experience with the ai mod? |
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| 05:53.15 | hobbidude | supported |
| 05:55.10 | hobbidude | anyone worked with the ai module? |
| 05:57.02 | FockeWulf | I know a guy but he got pissed off by it lol |
| 05:57.29 | hobbidude | hey wolf lol |
| 05:57.43 | FockeWulf | hows it going? |
| 05:58.04 | hobbidude | better |
| 05:58.15 | FockeWulf | you know we should have a map makers 1v1 tourny |
| 05:58.19 | FockeWulf | and get hd and husky to cast it |
| 05:58.26 | FockeWulf | just to get our names out there. |
| 05:58.27 | hobbidude | ?? |
| 05:58.54 | hobbidude | and how would that work exactly? |
| 05:59.24 | FockeWulf | idk best of 3 person who wins the most sets wins? |
| 05:59.42 | hobbidude | you mean for melee maps? |
| 05:59.48 | FockeWulf | ya just sc2 melee |
| 05:59.56 | FockeWulf | map makers tournement |
| 06:00.01 | FockeWulf | mostly for PR |
| 06:00.01 | hobbidude | been done |
| 06:00.07 | FockeWulf | where? |
| 06:00.10 | hobbidude | fails horrbily due to blizzard |
| 06:00.13 | hobbidude | tl |
| 06:00.18 | hobbidude | motm month tounry |
| 06:00.36 | FockeWulf | nono |
| 06:00.43 | FockeWulf | im not talking a specific map series |
| 06:00.49 | FockeWulf | im just talking reconized map makers |
| 06:00.57 | FockeWulf | in a 1v1 tourny |
| 06:01.10 | hobbidude | lol |
| 06:01.12 | FockeWulf | I think Blizz might sponsor that. |
| 06:01.12 | hobbidude | that would be funny |
| 06:01.19 | FockeWulf | Ya it would be some fun |
| 06:01.21 | FockeWulf | and even better |
| 06:01.28 | FockeWulf | contacts with the CMs and devs :) |
| 06:01.32 | FockeWulf | Sneak that one in there |
| 06:01.56 | hobbidude | I'd like to see little profile icons to show decent map makers |
| 06:02.15 | FockeWulf | hey maybe thats the prize |
| 06:02.19 | FockeWulf | top 3 |
| 06:02.31 | FockeWulf | choice pick of 1 of 3 icons :) |
| 06:03.07 | hobbidude | its so hard now just to see the name of the map maker in the arcade |
| 06:03.23 | FockeWulf | Well a map makers tounry |
| 06:03.33 | FockeWulf | however its spelled |
| 06:03.39 | FockeWulf | would do us a lot of good |
| 06:03.43 | FockeWulf | get us more notice with Blizzard |
| 06:04.15 | hobbidude | id like to see interview with map makers at major events |
| 06:04.21 | hobbidude | that would get some good press |
| 06:05.26 | hobbidude | soo any luck on the map? |
| 06:06.08 | FockeWulf | not today but tomorrow yes. |
| 06:06.14 | hobbidude | np |
| 06:06.19 | FockeWulf | Couple of things I noticed a lot of what you were talking about |
| 06:06.21 | FockeWulf | doesn't even apply |
| 06:06.25 | hobbidude | ?? |
| 06:06.31 | FockeWulf | that whole pheonix attack thing you were talking about. |
| 06:06.32 | hobbidude | like what? |
| 06:06.34 | FockeWulf | Never got used. |
| 06:06.37 | hobbidude | kk |
| 06:06.43 | hobbidude | in issue still remains |
| 06:06.50 | hobbidude | i think its to do with height |
| 06:07.08 | FockeWulf | well the actual impact x(y) |
| 06:07.15 | FockeWulf | (x,y) |
| 06:07.17 | FockeWulf | is where you click |
| 06:07.28 | FockeWulf | the graphic is just an overlay |
| 06:08.15 | hobbidude | true but there instance where the mouse is at the bottem of a unit and the laser looks like it hits the head of aunit dead on and it does no damage |
| 06:08.40 | FockeWulf | id actually have to see it |
| 06:08.59 | hobbidude | the thing is for shoot people use the trace of the weapon to aim more than they use the aiming spot |
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| 06:53.20 | hobbidude | wow just read the new battle report |
| 06:53.31 | hobbidude | seems blizz is actually clearing their heads |
| 06:58.57 | FockeWulf | can you link it?> |
| 07:04.50 | hobbidude | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6571787498 |
| 07:07.10 | Taintedwisp | BAH another unit removed..\ |
| 07:07.15 | Taintedwisp | Hate that that happend |
| 07:12.38 | Taintedwisp | Damn, HOpe protoss gets a ground unit or Defensive structure, and I hope Terran gets Either a flying unit or a Biological unit. |
| 07:12.49 | Taintedwisp | Or add mercenaries to Quickmatch |
| 07:18.07 | hobbidude | ?? |
| 07:18.12 | hobbidude | your seriously delusional |
| 07:22.45 | soulcarverr | Who cares about melee go play bw |
| 07:31.45 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 07:32.20 | Taintedwisp | I will get everything I want from the campaign anyways, but Still would be nice if there was some game changing changes made, just so it didnt feel luike WoL with a couple extra units. |
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| 07:57.25 | hobbidude | anyone famaliar with aim odule? |
| 07:57.39 | hobbidude | ai module? srry |
| 08:20.51 | A1win | is there a way to make a hero unit that's under construction not show in the hero quick select bar? |
| 08:27.59 | Taintedwisp | Dunno if there is an easy way but you could make a dummy unit while its building, and when it gets done building have the real unit spawn and the dummy unit destroy |
| 08:28.05 | Taintedwisp | Like I said there is probably an easier way |
| 08:28.12 | Taintedwisp | But i dont know it |
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| 12:27.13 | zenxy | fucking muslims |
| 12:27.14 | zenxy | hate em |
| 12:27.19 | zenxy | (dont bomb me) |
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| 14:31.47 | Kueken | Evening |
| 14:41.50 | Exaken | So, did anyone get a beta key from the second wave? I didn't :/ |
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| 15:01.05 | ducky | Neither did I |
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| 15:01.38 | ducky | but I honestly don't expect it since I haven't touched ladder in a really long time |
| 15:01.51 | Zolden | are Blizz-Artestru or Blizz-Deletarius here? |
| 15:02.25 | ducky | not during week-end |
| 15:03.29 | Zolden | ;/ |
| 15:04.11 | Zolden | maybe anyone know, are there any chances of incresing the amount or resource types? |
| 15:04.37 | Zolden | in hots |
| 15:04.59 | ducky | haven't heard anything about such thing :( |
| 15:06.52 | Zolden | have you put the bomberman music in the game? |
| 15:08.31 | ducky | haven't gotten around to that yet |
| 15:16.12 | zenxu | dont you hate people who suggest music to your map |
| 15:16.29 | zenxu | like just open youtube and make a loop of the song |
| 15:16.30 | zenxu | done! |
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| 15:19.59 | tordy | hello |
| 15:20.07 | Helral | meows |
| 15:20.42 | Zolden | zenxu, it's not the same when you know the game plays the music for you, it's psychological difference |
| 15:21.17 | zenxu | and as a mapper you should understand why people dont add music to their maps |
| 15:21.32 | zenxu | rather |
| 15:21.37 | zenxu | everyone should understand that |
| 15:21.40 | zenxu | copyrights |
| 15:23.00 | ckSynergy | Honestly, The one things games have been missing for ages is a built in mp3 player |
| 15:23.00 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 15:23.05 | ckSynergy | iStarcraft |
| 15:23.29 | Ahli | c&c red alert 1 had that |
| 15:23.51 | ckSynergy | did it? was so long ago I forget |
| 15:23.54 | tordy | think there are more knowledgable modeler mappers than musicians |
| 15:24.05 | tordy | can anyone here sufficiently say they can make their own music? |
| 15:24.33 | Zolden | bomberman music belongs to the bomberman game, it was created for it by kraftwerk, don't think it has another copyright than game idea |
| 15:24.56 | Helral | I can say I can make my own music ;p |
| 15:25.18 | tordy | please share! :] |
| 15:25.19 | Helral | doesn't mean it will not sound terrible ;p |
| 15:25.20 | Zolden | what style, helral? |
| 15:25.24 | tordy | :[ |
| 15:25.30 | Zolden | i'd hear, but i'm on crappy internet here |
| 15:25.59 | Helral | I only said I can make it, never said I made any music ever ;p |
| 15:26.25 | Helral | everyone can make music. it just a sequence of noises which seem to fit together. |
| 15:27.00 | tordy | im talking about making decent music |
| 15:27.32 | Zolden | i only asked what style, never said what style of the music you made |
| 15:28.21 | Zolden | tordy, what's decent music? |
| 15:30.38 | tordy | making the music fit with whatever it's being made with |
| 15:30.44 | tordy | and not sounding bad (subjective) |
| 15:31.04 | tordy | not just a simple sequence of noises with no intention to it |
| 15:31.58 | Kueken | in my opinion, GTA had the greatest implementation of using your own music |
| 15:32.11 | Kueken | you could create your own radio station |
| 15:32.19 | Kueken | which would play your music |
| 15:32.30 | Kueken | and you can hear it when sitting in the cars |
| 15:32.35 | tordy | really depends on what the music is being made with |
| 15:32.36 | Kueken | genius |
| 15:32.48 | tordy | that and musical taste is pretty much pure preference |
| 15:33.00 | tordy | hello |
| 15:33.13 | Zolden | yeah, gta did good with the radio |
| 15:33.39 | Ahli | todo for someone here: music composition map |
| 15:33.48 | Kueken | well, if you find a piece of music, that fits with the general them eof the game and supports the atmosphere, go for it, just make sure, you can deactivate it |
| 15:33.50 | Zolden | tordy, right, not every sequence of music feels beautiful |
| 15:34.33 | Zolden | Ahli, I saw one, there was an array of buildings which played notes on click... but without recording |
| 15:34.44 | Ahli | awww :D |
| 15:34.57 | Kueken | there was also this guitar hero remake thingy |
| 15:35.13 | Kueken | it was on mapster frontpage a couple of months ago |
| 15:35.32 | Zolden | lol |
| 15:36.10 | Bibendus | wait |
| 15:36.17 | Zolden | guitar hero with battlenet lag is something |
| 15:36.18 | Bibendus | wasn't the account size limit 200mb? |
| 15:36.29 | Bibendus | for map publishing I mean |
| 15:36.41 | Kueken | yes, I think so |
| 15:36.49 | Zolden | yeah, 10 maps or mods x 20 mb |
| 15:36.57 | Bibendus | because now I see |
| 15:36.58 | Bibendus | 157mb |
| 15:37.01 | Bibendus | dafuq of limitation is that |
| 15:37.01 | Bibendus | xD |
| 15:37.03 | Kueken | but you can get other people to upload mods for you |
| 15:37.13 | Bibendus | it changed |
| 15:37.20 | Bibendus | could u guys check plz? :P |
| 15:37.27 | Zolden | i can't ;/ |
| 15:37.34 | Ahli | why check? |
| 15:37.43 | *** join/#sc2mapster Torhal (~torhal@c-71-207-224-241.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 15:37.47 | Zolden | i use this chat because i miss mapping, otherwise i'd be in editor |
| 15:37.47 | Bibendus | check if your max size is still 200 |
| 15:37.50 | Ahli | it's 157mb. I've manage published files open. |
| 15:37.51 | Bibendus | or now it's 157 for everyone |
| 15:38.04 | Bibendus | but I'm pretty sure it was 200 |
| 15:38.10 | Bibendus | did they decrease it? |
| 15:38.13 | Bibendus | when did that happen |
| 15:38.16 | Zolden | maybe you only see what's remaining |
| 15:38.39 | Ahli | It was 104mb before 1.5. 1.5 raised it to 157 (in beta already) |
| 15:38.50 | Ahli | maybe we got more space on the hots beta realm |
| 15:39.27 | *** join/#sc2mapster xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx (~xXdRaGoNr@74.198.9.93) |
| 15:39.31 | Bibendus | nah |
| 15:39.38 | Ahli | but only 20 files/user. not good for melee mappers |
| 15:39.40 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | hey guys i have a galaxy question |
| 15:39.47 | Bibendus | I don't use a lot of space currently |
| 15:39.53 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i know there is a function to add an event to a trigger |
| 15:39.57 | Kueken | galaxy as in galaxy script? |
| 15:40.02 | Kueken | yes |
| 15:40.04 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | is there one to rwemove said event |
| 15:40.15 | Kueken | I am pretty sure, there is not |
| 15:40.19 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | damn |
| 15:40.39 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | my problem is i hjave a random dungeon create a up level and a down level |
| 15:40.42 | Kueken | afaik the only option to do that is destroy the trigger and recreate it with the remaining events |
| 15:41.03 | Bibendus | i'm going now to test if lag in hive keeper multiplayer is gone |
| 15:41.05 | Bibendus | anyone interested? |
| 15:41.36 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | and it is creating duplicate calls from where the down level or up level was previous so the trigger is firing in both position even though the actual unit is in a different spot |
| 15:42.14 | tordy | think the guy had problems with precision on the rhythm map |
| 15:42.37 | tordy | because real arithmetic was causing some imprecision errors |
| 15:42.45 | Kueken | you could just add a if/then/else checking if you are currently down or up |
| 15:42.51 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ok now with removing the trigger will it kill all the function inside the trigger i am mixing some galaxy script with gui btw |
| 15:43.02 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | the thing is |
| 15:43.10 | Ahli | bibendus, still searching someone? |
| 15:43.19 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | im using a unit is a certain distance from the down level unit |
| 15:43.30 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | and you cant use variabkles in events |
| 15:43.30 | Bibendus | y |
| 15:43.38 | Bibendus | 2 slotz |
| 15:43.40 | Bibendus | eu |
| 15:43.45 | Ahli | coming |
| 15:43.49 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | so i found the create event work around |
| 15:44.02 | Kueken | you can use variables to register the events in galaxy |
| 15:44.16 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | see the units arent created at init |
| 15:44.26 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | they are created with the random generator |
| 15:44.36 | Kueken | yes, I figured |
| 15:44.39 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | so the event doesnt fire properly |
| 15:44.44 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | unless i script it |
| 15:44.56 | Kueken | so you register it dynamically with script, yes |
| 15:45.01 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | but the problem with that is the clear map |
| 15:45.14 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i delete the unit then recreate it in a different spot |
| 15:45.26 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | but the event is still there from where it was |
| 15:45.35 | Kueken | well, in that case, destroy the trigger and create a new one |
| 15:45.37 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | TriggerAddEventUnitRange(gt_DownLevelEnter, null, EventUnit(), 1.0, true); |
| 15:45.48 | Kueken | ah |
| 15:46.01 | Kueken | the mixing of gui and galaxy here is problematic |
| 15:46.06 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | lol |
| 15:46.21 | Kueken | in pure galaxy, just destorying and creating a new trigger would be easy |
| 15:46.26 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | the down level trigger currently has no events |
| 15:46.29 | Kueken | but your trigger is created by the gui |
| 15:46.32 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | yes |
| 15:46.47 | Kueken | I would suggest |
| 15:46.56 | Kueken | convert the gui trigger to an action definition |
| 15:47.05 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ok |
| 15:47.06 | Kueken | and create the trigger in galaxy |
| 15:47.07 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ill try that |
| 15:47.11 | Kueken | make it call the action |
| 15:47.17 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ok |
| 15:47.24 | Kueken | this way you can destroy and recreate it easily |
| 15:47.27 | Bibendus | still 1 slot |
| 15:47.28 | Bibendus | for hive keeper |
| 15:47.29 | Bibendus | left |
| 15:47.33 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | then just pass in the unit for the distance |
| 15:47.40 | Kueken | yes |
| 15:47.47 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | sweet thanks kueken |
| 15:47.51 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ill try that |
| 15:48.38 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i should first say |
| 15:48.52 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i have it create the evbent when the specified unit eneters the map |
| 15:48.58 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | using gui |
| 15:49.09 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | custom script option |
| 15:49.15 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | how would i create the trigger |
| 15:49.21 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | in this part |
| 15:49.39 | Kueken | oh yes, that wouldn't be possible like that |
| 15:49.48 | Kueken | you would need a new custom script object |
| 15:49.55 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ok |
| 15:50.05 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | sorry im new to galaxy scripting |
| 15:50.13 | Kueken | where you add one function, which is used by the trigger |
| 15:50.33 | Kueken | it has to use the following format: |
| 15:50.45 | Kueken | bool MyFunction (boool a, bool b) |
| 15:50.46 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | now how does the game know when to fire the custom script |
| 15:51.03 | Kueken | you will call it from your gui custom script action |
| 15:51.12 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ok |
| 15:56.13 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | /-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 15:56.13 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | / Trigger: Add Events |
| 15:56.13 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | /-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 15:56.13 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | bool gt_AddEvents_Func (bool testConds, bool runActions) { |
| 15:56.16 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.17 | Kueken | so, the trigger function you define in the custom script should call your action definition. Then, to create the trigger, you create a global trigger variable, then use the TriggerCreate function for the global trigger in your gui trigger's custom script part and use the TriggerAddEvent to that as before |
| 15:56.18 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.20 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.23 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.23 | Kueken | stop |
| 15:56.25 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.27 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.27 | Kueken | use pastebin |
| 15:56.29 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.31 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.33 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.35 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.37 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.43 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.49 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.50 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.50 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.50 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.50 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.53 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | } |
| 15:56.55 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | /-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 15:56.57 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | void gt_AddEvents_Init () { |
| 15:56.59 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.01 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.04 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | } |
| 15:57.05 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | so thats how you create one |
| 15:57.07 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i just grabbed that i made an error and grabbed a random gui created trigger |
| 15:57.23 | tordy | woah what is goin on |
| 15:57.27 | Kueken | next time, use pastebin and copy the link :/ |
| 15:57.30 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ok |
| 15:57.42 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ill make the function and have you look over it |
| 15:57.51 | Kueken | so, the trigger function you define in the custom script should call your action definition. Then, to create the trigger, you create a global trigger variable, then use the TriggerCreate function for the global trigger in your gui trigger's custom script part and use the TriggerAddEvent to that as before |
| 15:57.54 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | sorry about that |
| 15:58.55 | Kueken | also keep in mind, that this is quite a dirty solution I am only suggesting to not mess up your previous work completely ;) |
| 15:59.03 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ya |
| 15:59.19 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | im kinda trying to hack in events dynamically |
| 15:59.44 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | cause that the most effiecient way my code would work unless i create all units ahead of time |
| 15:59.58 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | im trying to make it transferrable basicall |
| 16:00.02 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | basically |
| 16:00.25 | Kueken | btw |
| 16:00.37 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | yes |
| 16:00.41 | Kueken | what would keep you from re-using the top unit for bottom? |
| 16:00.56 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i want it to remove it |
| 16:01.28 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | cause the code to place them just creates them i dont want to add and if statement |
| 16:01.34 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | to move them |
| 16:01.44 | Kueken | alright |
| 16:02.08 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | kinda wierd but its just the way i think works best |
| 16:02.22 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | completely clear the area then recreate the assets |
| 16:02.52 | Kueken | I am going to be afk a bit |
| 16:02.57 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ok |
| 16:03.01 | Kueken | if you need me, try to highlight me |
| 16:03.05 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ok |
| 16:03.11 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ill pm you |
| 16:03.15 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | if i need |
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| 16:20.04 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Effects / Modify Unit - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/effects/modify-unit/ |
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| 16:27.55 | Iiris_Frost | damnit, still no HotS beta |
| 16:28.42 | Vail|Gone | yes alot of us are till not in beta |
| 16:28.49 | Iiris_Frost | I need beta |
| 16:29.31 | Vailreth | other than some functionality diffrences its pretty much the same as 1.5 |
| 16:30.20 | Vailreth | ive been playing with the beta editor already and some things work some things still dont |
| 16:30.25 | Iiris_Frost | I need it for the editor which has new stuff I need to help work on my map |
| 16:31.33 | Vailreth | you can download the client if you just want to use the editor |
| 16:32.00 | Iiris_Frost | Won't let me |
| 16:32.42 | Vailreth | are you logging in then enteriing the region specific link to the dashboard oage? |
| 16:33.07 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i feel lucky |
| 16:33.10 | Iiris_Frost | neither works |
| 16:33.12 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i got into it |
| 16:33.50 | Vailreth | i couldnt care less about the multiplayer i have the editor and i can test it |
| 16:33.55 | Iiris_Frost | flips off xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx |
| 16:34.59 | Tolkfan | Iiris_Frost: doing actual work on the beta editor isn't a good idea.. at any time they can change something that'll break your map |
| 16:35.21 | Vailreth | very true |
| 16:35.39 | Iiris_Frost | I need it for 1 new feature so I can actually finish part of my map |
| 16:35.58 | Tolkfan | you can download the beta client without actual beta access and use the editor |
| 16:36.02 | Tolkfan | http://dist.blizzard.com/downloads/sc2-beta-installers/build1-96937bdf/StarCraft-II-Beta-Setup-enUS.exe |
| 16:36.04 | Vailreth | you should likely wait till retail when the editor will be more stable ... |
| 16:36.10 | Iiris_Frost | won't let me |
| 16:36.17 | Tolkfan | did you try downloading it? |
| 16:36.28 | Iiris_Frost | yes, won't let me |
| 16:36.40 | Tolkfan | the link i gave you doesn't work? |
| 16:36.46 | Iiris_Frost | correct |
| 16:37.24 | Tolkfan | then you're special, because it worked for everyone else |
| 16:37.33 | Vailreth | are you us or eu |
| 16:37.40 | Vailreth | and it dosent work for me either |
| 16:37.49 | Tolkfan | :( |
| 16:38.08 | Vailreth | could just be a browser hickup though |
| 16:38.27 | Iiris_Frost | or the fact that I have no beta |
| 16:38.32 | Vailreth | Frost what browser are you using? |
| 16:38.40 | Vailreth | the download just started for me |
| 16:38.48 | Iiris_Frost | firefox |
| 16:38.50 | Tolkfan | I don't have it either, but I can access the download page and the direct download I linked |
| 16:39.15 | Tolkfan | it just doesn't allow me to load Hots dependencies, so no new tilesets or units |
| 16:39.52 | Vailreth | yeah try a diffrent browser the download should be automatic with Tolkfans link |
| 16:40.33 | Vailreth | it just took chrome a second my pc hicupped |
| 16:41.42 | Vailreth | but as long as yuu are logged in that linki should work if you are in the US region right? |
| 16:41.45 | Iiris_Frost | I don't have any other browser |
| 16:42.23 | Vailreth | i would recommend installing chrome them. |
| 16:42.40 | Iiris_Frost | no thanks |
| 16:42.48 | Iiris_Frost | I use firefox |
| 16:42.55 | Iiris_Frost | great protection |
| 16:43.25 | Tolkfan | I'm EU, so that link works for both regions |
| 16:43.34 | Vailreth | ah nice. |
| 16:43.39 | Iiris_Frost | no virus, spyware, malware, or anything harmful for 2 years |
| 16:44.18 | Iiris_Frost | thanks to my good protection setup on Firefox |
| 16:45.06 | Vailreth | ok it works in firefox as well you must have something blocking the download |
| 16:46.30 | Iiris_Frost | yea, called no beta |
| 16:46.39 | Vailreth | no |
| 16:46.52 | Vailreth | i was able to download from that link twince |
| 16:46.59 | Vailreth | and im not in beta |
| 16:47.17 | Vailreth | your security settings are likely blocking the download |
| 16:48.59 | *** join/#sc2mapster Telshin (~textual@76.164.170.2) |
| 16:50.04 | Iiris_Frost | all my other downloads work just fine |
| 16:50.33 | Vailreth | dosent mean this one wouldnt be blocked |
| 16:51.01 | Tolkfan | I'm might have spoilered myself by extracting the names of the tilesets from the bet client xD |
| 16:51.17 | Vailreth | hah |
| 16:51.24 | Vailreth | dont tell me |
| 16:59.26 | *** join/#sc2mapster Voisin (62d7ff67@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.215.255.103) |
| 16:59.51 | Vailreth | hello Voisin |
| 17:00.07 | Voisin | Hey, Vailreth. It's good to be back. |
| 17:00.48 | Vailreth | we have lots of new faces but not many are here atm not sure why thiough |
| 17:01.04 | Voisin | Any other girls, or am I still the only one? |
| 17:01.44 | Vailreth | nope its pretty much a boys club right now... i wish more girls where insterested in sc2 modding |
| 17:02.15 | Vailreth | and you are just here for converstation though.. |
| 17:02.20 | Voisin | Eh. In a world where Honey Boo Boo has replaced Jersey Shore, do you really expect women to make sense? |
| 17:02.50 | Vailreth | yes... |
| 17:03.52 | Voisin | you're as crazy as ST was, then. |
| 17:04.06 | Vailreth | hm |
| 17:04.25 | Vailreth | you maybe right, i may be crazy, but it may just be a lunatic .... |
| 17:04.36 | Voisin | *blush* |
| 17:05.12 | Voisin | Actually, you and I seem to be the only people here... |
| 17:05.25 | Vailreth | yeahj every one else stopped talking ... |
| 17:05.42 | Vailreth | either from ire of jealous wives or the inability to speak to females |
| 17:06.03 | Voisin | Wow. Um... should I leave, then? |
| 17:06.13 | Vailreth | na then no one would be talking |
| 17:06.27 | Tolkfan | I'm still here, just busy trying to steal dem tilesets from the beta |
| 17:06.36 | Vailreth | ah |
| 17:06.44 | Tolkfan | dont tell the blizz guys or they'll ban me |
| 17:06.51 | Voisin | My lips are sealed. |
| 17:07.37 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Effects / Iterate Transport - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/effects/iterate-transport/ |
| 17:09.57 | Vailreth | dont worry im too busy with other things to tell them |
| 17:14.03 | Kueken | Voisin, if you are lucky, Demonette will show up |
| 17:14.12 | Kueken | she pokes in every few months |
| 17:14.20 | Kueken | and I am pretty sure shes a girl |
| 17:14.29 | Voisin | That should be fun. |
| 17:14.44 | Vailreth | i have seen Demonette is a long time even on the forums |
| 17:15.41 | Vailreth | havent* |
| 17:16.11 | Kueken | too bad, she makes awesome icons |
| 17:16.34 | Vailreth | yes, i have one called Bio Steel Carapace she made its awsome |
| 17:18.20 | Vailreth | and there leaves the very reason i invited voisin back... we had a plan for Frost if whining continued.. |
| 17:19.20 | Kueken | ignore works wonders :) |
| 17:19.27 | Vailreth | yes. |
| 17:19.47 | Vailreth | i suppose |
| 17:19.53 | *** join/#sc2mapster caz (ad123df2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.18.61.242) |
| 17:20.56 | caz | o/ |
| 17:21.11 | Voisin | so does hormonal bitch-rage. I've scared a combat-proven Marine before. I could probably eat a whiny bitch like that for breakfast. |
| 17:21.39 | Kueken | :) |
| 17:21.46 | Kueken | go ahead, noone would stop you |
| 17:22.03 | Kueken | oh wait, iiris left |
| 17:22.08 | Vailreth | hah |
| 17:22.14 | Kueken | I dont get that, when hes on ignore |
| 17:22.38 | caz | ignore features are for pussies |
| 17:22.42 | Tolkfan | all Frost seems to do is complain about not having the beta, especially around the blizz guys... then the beta download link magically doesnt work just for him |
| 17:22.45 | Kueken | <- pussy |
| 17:23.05 | Kueken | before he used to complain about never getting any help |
| 17:23.17 | Tolkfan | he did that 2 days ago :] |
| 17:23.19 | Kueken | while half of the channel would try to help him |
| 17:23.25 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 17:23.27 | Kueken | including blizzguys |
| 17:23.37 | caz | oh my god |
| 17:23.38 | Vailreth | we are a helpfull bunch ... |
| 17:23.48 | Kueken | and he ignored all the help he got and still complained noone would help :D |
| 17:23.48 | Voisin | I've known guys like that before. They need a nice, steaming cup of shut the fuck up. |
| 17:23.55 | caz | i just started getting back into here a week or so ago... was gone for at least a year |
| 17:24.01 | caz | and even i remember Frost's retarded bitching |
| 17:24.03 | caz | ahhhahahahaha |
| 17:24.15 | Kueken | he was here a year ago? |
| 17:24.27 | Vailreth | well there used to be a Frostnova or something similar |
| 17:24.28 | caz | I remember the name bitching about not getting help a looong time ago |
| 17:24.36 | Kueken | I didn't notice him until a couple of weeks ago |
| 17:24.56 | caz | idk ive never rly had trouble getting help here |
| 17:25.03 | caz | patience and the right questions is usually enough |
| 17:25.47 | Voisin | You guys do seem like a helpful bunch. I don't even like SC2, but I come here frequently because the company is good. I don't like it when whiny bitches spoil the atmosphere of general cheer. |
| 17:25.49 | Kueken | I wonder, if he is just like that, or some sort of troll with a second account laughing at us now ;) |
| 17:26.20 | caz | he was inflexible |
| 17:26.21 | Voisin | If he is, Kueken, he'll flame me in the next 5 minutes. |
| 17:26.50 | caz | he had to do something his way.. and if you couldnt solve his whole problem (no alternatives, no secondary solutions, no "help"... just fixing the whole problem his way) |
| 17:26.57 | caz | then u werent helping by his standards |
| 17:27.01 | *** join/#sc2mapster Taintedwisp (adbd30b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.189.48.183) |
| 17:27.16 | Taintedwisp | Hey Vailreth, you get Beta? |
| 17:27.22 | Vailreth | no |
| 17:27.24 | Vailreth | you> |
| 17:27.27 | Vailreth | ? |
| 17:27.28 | Taintedwisp | yup |
| 17:27.29 | Kueken | dont |
| 17:27.31 | Vailreth | shit |
| 17:27.32 | Kueken | ITS A TRAP |
| 17:27.37 | Kueken | too late |
| 17:27.40 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:27.51 | Taintedwisp | Its just the quickmatch right now though |
| 17:28.05 | Vailreth | i have the client ...darn them.. |
| 17:28.08 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 17:28.23 | Kueken | I installed beta and cannot start WoL or the non-beta editor anymore... :( |
| 17:28.32 | Vailreth | weird |
| 17:28.37 | Taintedwisp | both mine still work Kueken |
| 17:28.43 | Kueken | yes |
| 17:28.48 | Taintedwisp | hmm |
| 17:28.53 | Kueken | I looked for solutions, nothing helped so far |
| 17:28.54 | Taintedwisp | I wonder what caused yours to bug. |
| 17:28.59 | Kueken | heh me too |
| 17:29.04 | Vailreth | i bet its the battle.net cache |
| 17:29.36 | caz | delete temporary files? |
| 17:29.44 | Kueken | did all that already |
| 17:29.49 | caz | :< |
| 17:30.00 | Tolkfan | I'll never get into the beta, they're inviting active players, I hven't played a melee match since... wol beta! :D |
| 17:30.03 | Taintedwisp | Have you Uninstalled the beta? |
| 17:30.10 | Taintedwisp | HAHAH |
| 17:30.15 | caz | well AoS fixed lag by sacrificing a player to the blizz gods.... maybe if you send them a pint of your blood things will work again. |
| 17:30.20 | Taintedwisp | I havent had an active match since 4 months ago |
| 17:30.24 | Vailreth | bakc up tiyr maos and reunstall everything? |
| 17:30.37 | Vailreth | yeah i havent had a match since 2010 beta |
| 17:31.03 | Voisin | thanks, caz, you've just given me unholy inspiration |
| 17:31.07 | Kueken | reinstalled beta and wol, didn't change a thing |
| 17:31.12 | caz | lol |
| 17:31.32 | Kueken | its probably some corrupted file or registry entry somewhere |
| 17:31.32 | Ahli | Bibendus: crash? |
| 17:31.54 | Kueken | just a matter of finding it |
| 17:32.02 | Vailreth | yes. |
| 17:32.21 | Vailreth | its werid that they removed the repair tool |
| 17:32.29 | Taintedwisp | Yeah I know |
| 17:32.34 | Taintedwisp | it worked goo |
| 17:33.55 | Kueken | Voisin, I am curious: How does one end up in a SC2 mapping channel and not even like SC2? |
| 17:33.56 | Taintedwisp | I now have 3 Peice of Mail in my Save inbox hahaah |
| 17:34.26 | Taintedwisp | Beta, Indentity Theft Protection, and Bing rewards |
| 17:34.27 | Taintedwisp | lol |
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| 17:35.20 | Voisin | Vailreth is a friend of mine. He asked me to come in at one point to help him with something unrelated, and I kept coming back because the company is so awesome. |
| 17:35.30 | Taintedwisp | AHAHA |
| 17:35.35 | Ahli | never got a beta invite for hots... just had hots in account :S |
| 17:35.37 | Taintedwisp | Yeah Vailreth is a kickass dude |
| 17:35.50 | Taintedwisp | Ahli, I got the message because i am more important haha |
| 17:35.55 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 17:35.56 | Taintedwisp | jk |
| 17:36.22 | Kueken | ahli, same for me |
| 17:36.29 | Taintedwisp | Either that or they were like, DAMN Ahli dont need a message he will know Pyschicly |
| 17:36.32 | Vailreth | And as we can all tell Tainted is Just an Ass, duge ... |
| 17:36.38 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 17:36.42 | Vailreth | dude* |
| 17:37.19 | Taintedwisp | While true... I am the greatest douchebag this side of the missisipi |
| 17:37.26 | Taintedwisp | Whatever Side NC is on |
| 17:38.05 | Taintedwisp | Yo Vailreth you read the message up top? |
| 17:38.23 | Vailreth | no |
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| 17:42.51 | Vailreth | i discovered that the Permanent Behavior functionality is there in the beta so yay |
| 17:42.57 | Voisin | Well, Tainted, you can't be the greatest db on my side of the Mississippi, I met that guy in Taco Bell last night. Ugh, what an incredible jackass. |
| 17:43.14 | Vailreth | he is on your side .. |
| 17:43.25 | Kueken | you just don't know Tainted well enough |
| 17:43.38 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 17:43.41 | Voisin | Be that as it may, I doubt that he out-douched the Taco Bell guy |
| 17:44.52 | Kueken | maybe he is the Taco Bell guy |
| 17:45.07 | Vailreth | sorry folks looks like its time i go pay my bills, i will be back later. |
| 17:45.29 | Kueken | paying bills |
| 17:45.37 | Kueken | who does such a thing? |
| 17:45.39 | Vail|Gone | i may be back sooner thiough depending |
| 17:45.41 | Kueken | gross |
| 17:47.34 | Voisin | If he is the Taco Bell guy, I'm the chick who was bitching about what a dick he was being, well within his hearing. |
| 17:48.50 | Kueken | if he is, he probably doesn't care :D |
| 17:50.02 | Voisin | Also, the chick he was with had no tits and a face like a hatchet. |
| 17:50.58 | Voisin | Tainted doesn't strike me as the type to enjoy the titless wonders of the world. |
| 17:52.07 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | lol |
| 17:53.09 | tordy | Taintedwisp Taintedwisp Taintedwisp Taintedwisp |
| 17:54.40 | Voisin | Does anyone else look at his name and think of that old song, "Tainted Love"? The original, not the Manson version. |
| 17:58.40 | Vail|Gone | back |
| 17:59.56 | Voisin | wb |
| 18:00.13 | Vailreth | tknks |
| 18:00.17 | Voisin | yw |
| 18:00.26 | Voisin | we're talking about Tainted's taste in tits |
| 18:01.12 | Vailreth | i see |
| 18:03.22 | Kueken | thought he likes men |
| 18:04.06 | Vailreth | well with so many modern medications that can cause breast development in men ... |
| 18:05.14 | Taintedwisp | wHAT? |
| 18:05.51 | Taintedwisp | Voisin... your talking about a guy who would be happy if all homos were eradicated.... |
| 18:05.52 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:05.57 | Taintedwisp | I am that hateful haha |
| 18:06.09 | Voisin | Okay, yeah, you suck. |
| 18:06.39 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:08.18 | Voisin | Kueken, I'm sorry I didn't believe you. *gives fresh herbs from garden to make up for it* |
| 18:08.55 | Kueken | :) |
| 18:11.00 | Voisin | In other news, my throat is sore. |
| 18:13.28 | Vailreth | and it falls flat... |
| 18:14.04 | Vailreth | on maping news my terrain looked like a uterus and overies .... |
| 18:14.35 | Tolkfan | some proper protoss cliffs in the beta http://i.imgur.com/NuxS0.jpg |
| 18:14.40 | Voisin | somehow, I'm not surprised in the least. |
| 18:15.54 | Vailreth | i do love the female form but not to the point of replicating interior portions in my map |
| 18:18.54 | Voisin | Then add some boobs. Everybody loves boobs. |
| 18:19.16 | Vailreth | hah maybe. |
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| 18:21.29 | Voisin | Maybe nothing. Ben Franklin, Voltaire (the poet), every great anime writer ever... If there's one thing everybody in the world can agree on, it's that boobs are great. Even Tainted likes boobs, although he goes in for the teeny tiny mosquito-bump boobs. |
| 18:22.12 | Taintedwisp | haahha |
| 18:22.24 | Taintedwisp | Yo Vailreth, How is your campaign coming? you work on it any more? |
| 18:22.54 | Taintedwisp | Voisin... I m a got damn american... I like my titties big and natural |
| 18:23.12 | ckSynergy | ok, I need some help. I have a heroic unit, and thus shows a nifty little icon in the bottom right. Now, if I clone this unit, it creates another new icon in the bottom right. How should I go about keeping this from happening? |
| 18:23.18 | Vailreth | after noticing the resemblece to the female reproductive ssystem i am redoing the trerrain from scratch |
| 18:23.26 | Taintedwisp | HAHAHA |
| 18:23.45 | Taintedwisp | Hey vailreth, you should consider changing your hatchery to an overmind in one of the missions |
| 18:23.47 | Voisin | Glad to hear it, Tainted. Hell, I used to hang out in a gay bar, and there was honestly a gay guy who had bought himself a pair of implants just to have something to play with while slapboxing the one-eyed chump. |
| 18:25.13 | Vailreth | oh kay,, |
| 18:25.14 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:25.43 | Voisin | Now that I've brightened everybody's day by preaching the wonder of boobs, someone help ckSynergy. |
| 18:26.51 | Taintedwisp | hey Voisin.. |
| 18:26.53 | Vailreth | i dont know if its possible to prevent a hero icon from appearing once a hero is created but have you tried removing thethe original unit from the game if its nolonger needed |
| 18:26.54 | Taintedwisp | Here are you some boobs |
| 18:26.54 | Taintedwisp | https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSR0VC3br0R7DKwA-l6-ho6OBLGn_u0L7R3-md6LxdHBRdIGay6 |
| 18:26.57 | Taintedwisp | Just for you |
| 18:27.19 | Voisin | Thanks, Tainted, you're so sweet. |
| 18:27.26 | Taintedwisp | your welcome |
| 18:27.42 | Taintedwisp | hahaha |
| 18:28.06 | Taintedwisp | Hey Vailreth, I talked to SoulCarverr last night, he said he was almost done, He said he wasnt at home, so I guess he went somewhere for a bit |
| 18:28.17 | Vailreth | ok |
| 18:29.13 | Taintedwisp | Soo Soon(tm) |
| 18:29.14 | Taintedwisp | hahah |
| 18:29.49 | Taintedwisp | He was on his way home yesterday though |
| 18:29.53 | Voisin | Ok, boys, I gtg. I'll be back later. Thanks for the laughs. |
| 18:29.55 | Taintedwisp | soo HOPEFULLY it will be today |
| 18:30.10 | Taintedwisp | lol, Alright Cool meeting you dont forget that image of those tits |
| 18:30.14 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:30.38 | Voisin | I'll bear them in mind. |
| 18:32.04 | ckSynergy | yea, thing is you dont WANT to remove the original hero from the game |
| 18:32.09 | ckSynergy | not if youre using a revive system |
| 18:33.29 | Vailreth | not sure what you are tying to do |
| 18:34.08 | Taintedwisp | Yeah thats another thing Vailreth, We are going to have a Revive system for our hero thats timed. |
| 18:34.33 | Vailreth | ok |
| 18:34.45 | Taintedwisp | So after it dies, in 120-180 seconds it will revive or whatever number we see fit |
| 18:34.55 | Taintedwisp | Auto revive sounds best to be honest |
| 18:35.10 | Tolkfan | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/obsidian/project-eternity well, that didn't take them long... |
| 18:36.33 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:36.48 | Taintedwisp | I lost some faith when I saw new vegas haha |
| 18:37.55 | Tolkfan | I lost all my faith when I saw fallout 3 was going to be an FPS :] |
| 18:38.42 | zenxu | lol |
| 18:39.00 | zenxu | I truly hate why everything have to be FPS nowadays :( |
| 18:39.02 | zenxu | makes me just sad |
| 18:39.05 | Taintedwisp | I liked Fallout 3 |
| 18:39.07 | Taintedwisp | Was a good game |
| 18:39.19 | Taintedwisp | STARCRAFT FPS!!!! |
| 18:39.21 | Taintedwisp | im good |
| 18:39.22 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 18:39.29 | Taintedwisp | I still want Starcraft Ghost though |
| 18:39.32 | Tolkfan | new vegas was better.. well, a better fallout game anyway |
| 18:39.34 | Taintedwisp | 3PS |
| 18:39.51 | Taintedwisp | New Vegas... Meh, It was okay, not great though |
| 18:39.59 | Taintedwisp | uncomparable to Skyrim or Oblivion |
| 18:40.15 | Tolkfan | maybe we'll see a return to isometric, D3 sold 10mil, Wasteland and Project Eternity do well and... |
| 18:40.56 | Tolkfan | I don't like bethesda rpgs, they're all like morrowind and the combat system is always crap |
| 18:41.17 | Taintedwisp | hahah I like the Combat System |
| 18:41.19 | Taintedwisp | skyrims was the best |
| 18:41.24 | Taintedwisp | Its a REAL Rpg... |
| 18:41.33 | Tolkfan | swing sword while backing up... |
| 18:41.36 | Taintedwisp | I hate WoWs. |
| 18:41.48 | Taintedwisp | yeah and in Skyrim it does a lot less damage |
| 18:41.53 | zenxu | While skyrim combat wasnt that complex it was still fun |
| 18:42.02 | zenxu | settings were so epic to me that it was just interesting to explore |
| 18:42.21 | Taintedwisp | The combinations you can make though Zenx, you could make it VERY complex. |
| 18:42.31 | Tolkfan | that's the only thing I like in those games, exploration |
| 18:42.42 | zenxu | very complex? really? |
| 18:42.49 | Tolkfan | plot is basic, characters are flat |
| 18:43.01 | Taintedwisp | I like it because with enchantments, You can make the weakest armor become the strongest armor |
| 18:43.18 | Taintedwisp | The Main quesT? meh, It was good, just not as good as oblivion |
| 18:43.33 | Taintedwisp | Dont know about dawnguard, though... |
| 18:43.39 | Taintedwisp | PS3 never got their shit.. |
| 18:43.57 | Tolkfan | <--- PC Master Race, doesn't care about consoles |
| 18:44.06 | Tolkfan | let them burn |
| 18:47.09 | zenxu | well |
| 18:47.17 | zenxu | cant really say I got excited about the kickstarter |
| 18:47.49 | zenxu | I guess resume is pretty impressive even thou I didnt like KOTR2 so much |
| 18:47.52 | zenxu | KOTR 1 was awesome |
| 18:48.14 | Taintedwisp | I like Consoles..> guess thats because i am a gamer... |
| 18:48.29 | Taintedwisp | A real gamer, doesnt give a fuck about whats playing the game hahah |
| 18:48.47 | zenxu | I got WII |
| 18:48.49 | zenxu | you bitches! |
| 18:49.03 | Taintedwisp | I have Wii, PS Vita, nintendo DS, XBOX360, PS3, AND a PC... |
| 18:49.08 | Taintedwisp | I dont discriminate... |
| 18:49.08 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:49.22 | Taintedwisp | Hey I have to go clean the house |
| 18:49.23 | Taintedwisp | hahha |
| 18:49.26 | Taintedwisp | Ill be back later |
| 18:49.29 | zenxu | games for consoles are too expensive thou |
| 18:49.46 | Taintedwisp | same price on PC, just a Larger Selection on Console for new games |
| 18:49.51 | zenxu | but monster hunter for wii <3 |
| 18:49.55 | Taintedwisp | 95% of the PC library sucks... |
| 18:49.59 | Taintedwisp | unfortunatly |
| 18:50.20 | Taintedwisp | I like the Occasional FPS, but not too much, GTA V will be my shit htough |
| 18:50.20 | Taintedwisp | hahaha |
| 18:50.24 | zenxu | but PC you got discounts |
| 18:50.30 | Taintedwisp | So? |
| 18:50.33 | zenxu | and well I just prefer PC in manyways |
| 18:50.38 | Taintedwisp | Console I have Gamestop and used games |
| 18:50.42 | Taintedwisp | I prefer PC for SOME games |
| 18:50.46 | Taintedwisp | Like starcraft. |
| 18:50.56 | Taintedwisp | Starcraft 64, while fun, was HARD AS SHIT to play |
| 18:50.58 | zenxu | well enough of the case |
| 18:50.59 | Taintedwisp | same with Warcraft 2 |
| 18:51.02 | zenxu | this is stupid topic to discuss |
| 18:51.05 | zenxu | so dont drag me into it |
| 18:51.06 | Taintedwisp | hahah |
| 18:51.18 | Taintedwisp | There is no hate in this one |
| 18:51.21 | Taintedwisp | Well anyways |
| 18:51.24 | Taintedwisp | Going to go clean |
| 18:52.47 | Tolkfan | console peasants! :O |
| 18:58.18 | Kueken | (20:23:15) ckSynergy: ok, I need some help. I have a heroic unit, and thus shows a nifty little icon in the bottom right. Now, if I clone this unit, it creates another new icon in the bottom right. How should I go about keeping this from happening? |
| 18:58.45 | Kueken | what do you mean by cloning? Create a new unit of that type? |
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| 19:11.09 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | kueken |
| 19:12.23 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | is there a way to have an event like this | any unit enters a distance > 1 from unit | |
| 19:12.45 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | wait im an idiot |
| 19:12.54 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ill just make the distance the whole map |
| 19:14.47 | tordy | where's zelda |
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| 19:27.40 | Bibendus | seriously |
| 19:27.47 | Bibendus | why the hell do I have 2 hots beta accounts |
| 19:27.49 | Bibendus | on the same account |
| 19:27.50 | Bibendus | dafuq |
| 19:29.22 | Zolden | aren't they supposed to collapse? |
| 19:30.21 | Bibendus | it asks me to select one of the accounts |
| 19:30.23 | Bibendus | when I join |
| 19:31.16 | caz | Blizz-Artestru: <poke poke> .. any blizz peeps on this afternoon? |
| 19:31.27 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | well i guess using any other number doesnt work |
| 19:32.06 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | any ideas for an event that works like this | any unit enters a distance [any number] > 1 from unit | |
| 19:32.07 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | <xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx> wait im an idiot |
| 19:32.34 | caz | hmmm |
| 19:32.44 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | woops copied too much | any unit enters a distance [any number] > 1 from unit | |
| 19:33.07 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i have one event to fire when they are 1 away from it |
| 19:33.13 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | it brings up a dialog |
| 19:33.33 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | then i want one to fire when they leave that distance thus removing dialog |
| 19:33.49 | caz | oh, interesting |
| 19:34.18 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | im trying to do this without making regions for it |
| 19:34.29 | caz | is the unit they are moving toward/away from moving ? |
| 19:34.33 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | away |
| 19:34.47 | Bibendus | they are not working on saturday :D |
| 19:34.53 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | they are already oin that distance then if he moves away kill dialog |
| 19:35.05 | caz | ah |
| 19:35.29 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | sorta like enters/exits region but only with distance from unit' |
| 19:36.12 | caz | what if u used a very small number like |
| 19:36.31 | Bibendus | aw arcade is disabled |
| 19:36.36 | Bibendus | in the beta :( |
| 19:36.43 | caz | [any unit] enteres a distance [1.25] from unit: *if first dialog is visible, hide it... if it is not, do nothing* |
| 19:36.45 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ya it says that |
| 19:36.56 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | hmm that might work |
| 19:37.29 | Bibendus | wait |
| 19:37.33 | Bibendus | why when I try to open the editor |
| 19:37.35 | Bibendus | it crashes :| |
| 19:37.36 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | so unit enters 1 brin dialog up then if unit enters 1.000001 kill dialog |
| 19:37.38 | Bibendus | (beta editor) |
| 19:37.53 | caz | kill the dialog, if it exists |
| 19:37.59 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | idk bibendus i cant get my beta downloaded |
| 19:38.01 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ya |
| 19:38.16 | Bibendus | I order you to open! |
| 19:38.22 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | lol |
| 19:38.24 | Bibendus | I tought people were using it |
| 19:38.25 | Bibendus | damnit |
| 19:38.26 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | run as admin |
| 19:38.27 | Bibendus | why I can't |
| 19:38.33 | Bibendus | it says |
| 19:38.34 | Bibendus | files are missing |
| 19:38.37 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | oh |
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| 19:38.40 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | hmmm |
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| 19:38.47 | caz_ | whoops |
| 19:38.49 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | might be the campaing shit |
| 19:38.49 | Bibendus | now I spam them |
| 19:38.51 | caz_ | i was gone for a sec there |
| 19:39.01 | Bibendus | but I think people used the editor |
| 19:39.06 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | copy over wol assests to beta |
| 19:39.23 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | this is a shot in the dark btw |
| 19:39.59 | Bibendus | i want to check the editor :P |
| 19:40.27 | caz_ | (walking away): unit hits the 1 distance mark and spawns dialog.....unit hits 1.1 mark and removes dialog ||||| (walking toward): unit hits 1.1 dist and nothing runs after the if() check....unit hits 1.0 mark and spawns dialog. |
| 19:40.51 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | yup |
| 19:41.05 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | im codingit to see if it works |
| 19:41.15 | caz_ | kk |
| 19:42.37 | caz_ | btw you may want to have the dialog get destroyed after 2-3 second of hitting 1.1 .. because u'll hit that almost immediately..not even sure the dialog will be visible with movement from 1 to 1.1...it'd be created/destroyed almost immediately |
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| 19:46.04 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | doesnt work anyways |
| 19:46.09 | caz_ | o? |
| 19:46.21 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | the left always fires first |
| 19:46.38 | caz_ | 1.1 ? |
| 19:46.40 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | even with condition that only becomes true if you enter the enter |
| 19:46.44 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | yes |
| 19:46.54 | caz_ | try 2 |
| 19:46.59 | caz_ | as the left number |
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| 19:48.21 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | it doesnt work |
| 19:48.30 | caz_ | logic seem sound |
| 19:48.33 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i used a really big number like 5 |
| 19:48.36 | caz_ | seems* |
| 19:48.45 | caz_ | u have 2 seperate triggers ? |
| 19:48.48 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | yes |
| 19:49.01 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | they are created dynamically |
| 19:49.14 | caz_ | ? |
| 19:49.15 | caz_ | o.o |
| 19:49.31 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | the events are created dynamically using galaxy scripting |
| 19:49.32 | caz_ | can i see ? |
| 19:49.45 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | one min ill make a screen shot |
| 19:49.50 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | or attempt to |
| 19:49.53 | caz_ | i just use gui pretty much |
| 19:49.59 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | this is a mix |
| 19:50.04 | caz_ | still |
| 19:50.07 | caz_ | when walking toward something |
| 19:50.10 | caz_ | u should never hit 1 distance |
| 19:50.13 | caz_ | before 5 |
| 19:50.18 | caz_ | nor 5 before 1 when walking away |
| 19:50.19 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | you dont |
| 19:50.29 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | when 5 fires once |
| 19:50.54 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | it then goes to 1 when you get there then if you walk away 5 doesn't fire again |
| 19:51.06 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | which it should |
| 19:52.41 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i cant seem to manage to make a screenshot |
| 19:52.47 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | its all over the place |
| 19:52.53 | caz_ | ? |
| 19:53.32 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | figured it out |
| 19:53.49 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | that event type will only fire if the unit is moving towards it |
| 19:54.05 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i need one that fires when its moving away |
| 19:54.59 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i need to change the event type they are set up to enteres i need to se them to leaves |
| 19:55.06 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | lol |
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| 19:55.45 | caz_ | UnitRnagePoint |
| 19:55.45 | caz_ | ya |
| 19:55.45 | caz_ | i just saw that |
| 19:55.51 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | its this TriggerAddEventUnitRange(gv_downLevelLeave, null, EventUnit(), 5, false); |
| 19:55.58 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | the false is the key |
| 19:56.14 | caz_ | gui specifically labels everything sooo that wasnt an issue =p |
| 19:56.19 | caz_ | just looking at the trigger told me lol |
| 19:56.24 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ya same |
| 19:56.37 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i created that event to look at it and just noticed it |
| 19:56.59 | caz_ | *fingers crossed* for next test ;] |
| 19:57.22 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | see the way im doing it you cant have the event use a refernce unit that was created through triggers |
| 19:57.51 | caz_ | not sure what u mean |
| 19:58.11 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | see the code i put in irc |
| 19:58.23 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | if you do that in gui it doesnt work |
| 19:58.33 | caz_ | TriggerAddEventUnitRange(gv_downLevelLeave, null, EventUnit(), 5, false); ? |
| 19:58.37 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i have to manually create the triggers and add the events dynamically |
| 19:59.00 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | the EventUnit() is the unit it is referncing |
| 19:59.02 | caz_ | that line is the only code ive seen u put in irc |
| 19:59.05 | caz_ | ah |
| 19:59.12 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | lets say a beacon |
| 19:59.19 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | zealot walks up to beacon |
| 19:59.33 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | but the beacon doesnt exist at map creatiin |
| 19:59.41 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | its randomly created in a spot |
| 19:59.50 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | then shoved into a variable |
| 20:00.06 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | if you try to set that event to use a variable it will not work |
| 20:00.19 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | the gui cant even see it |
| 20:00.38 | Vailreth | right gui events can not get data from variables |
| 20:00.42 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | so you have to manually create and destroy the trigger to change the unit it's referwencing |
| 20:00.58 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | this can only be done in galaxy |
| 20:01.21 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | Kueken and I came up with it |
| 20:01.23 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | earlier |
| 20:02.09 | caz_ | actually |
| 20:02.11 | caz_ | you can do it |
| 20:02.22 | caz_ | but ud have to make one change if u wanted to use the variable |
| 20:02.37 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | set it to be a default value |
| 20:02.40 | caz_ | instead of RangeOfUnit |
| 20:02.49 | caz_ | (which as u stated wont let u use ur variable in gui) |
| 20:02.53 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | nope |
| 20:02.59 | caz_ | u'd have to use RangeOfPoint .. and get PointFromUnit() |
| 20:03.03 | caz_ | which doesl et you |
| 20:03.05 | caz_ | use the variable :] |
| 20:03.10 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | that would work |
| 20:03.18 | caz_ | i wonder why one doesnt lol |
| 20:03.26 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | but with that event you're useing to function calls |
| 20:03.30 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | 2 |
| 20:03.32 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | not to |
| 20:03.51 | caz_ | well since hte second function call is merely a position thing.. its not even remotely process costly |
| 20:03.53 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | rangeofunit is one function call |
| 20:03.59 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | still |
| 20:04.05 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | my way is more efficient |
| 20:04.19 | caz_ | barely ;p |
| 20:04.25 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | also i wanted a round about way of doing things |
| 20:04.27 | caz_ | and really u cant be so sure |
| 20:04.31 | caz_ | that is tmore efficient |
| 20:04.40 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | learn galaxy |
| 20:04.48 | caz_ | u need to thin kabout something |
| 20:04.58 | caz_ | how does RangeOfUnit ... determine how far u are from that unit? |
| 20:05.11 | caz_ | it likely calls a function to calculate from the point of that units position |
| 20:05.14 | caz_ | it still happens |
| 20:05.20 | caz_ | u just dont type it |
| 20:05.30 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ok |
| 20:05.46 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | idk |
| 20:05.53 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i dont feel like changing it now |
| 20:06.14 | caz_ | so dont lol |
| 20:06.25 | caz_ | in my mind its the same thing so whichever u like best |
| 20:06.28 | caz_ | is good for u |
| 20:06.28 | caz_ | :D |
| 20:06.57 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | well you way makes more gui sense |
| 20:07.09 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | but i do want to learn some galaxy |
| 20:07.22 | caz_ | the only thing i want from galaxy to be supported in editor atm |
| 20:07.25 | caz_ | is typedefs |
| 20:07.32 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | yes |
| 20:09.40 | caz_ | and pointers :] |
| 20:09.45 | caz_ | but i know i wont get that :I |
| 20:10.00 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | now your tlking almost native C++ |
| 20:10.12 | caz_ | that is the language i know :] |
| 20:10.17 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | lol ya |
| 20:10.35 | caz_ | every language without pointers... at least has references that hide the pointer logic from u |
| 20:10.43 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | if im not mistaken galaxy is a mix of xml and C++ |
| 20:10.55 | caz_ | its more a mix wiht Bad C |
| 20:11.00 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | lol |
| 20:11.02 | caz_ | not even close to c++ |
| 20:11.03 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | c# |
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| 20:11.15 | caz_ | it doesnt support any kind of reference or oop |
| 20:11.19 | caz_ | so its not c++ |
| 20:11.22 | caz_ | its based on c |
| 20:11.23 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | no |
| 20:11.24 | caz_ | just badly |
| 20:11.42 | caz_ | c++ was an extension off C to add references and OOP |
| 20:11.44 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i think its c# just stripped |
| 20:12.19 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i thought C had pointrs |
| 20:12.31 | caz_ | C has pointers, but not referneces or classes |
| 20:12.42 | caz_ | references are compiler-controlled pointers |
| 20:12.52 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ah |
| 20:13.00 | caz_ | like with a pointer u'd have to be like |
| 20:13.09 | caz_ | *ptr_X = 10 |
| 20:13.12 | caz_ | to change X to 10 |
| 20:13.13 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | we have to remember it is blizzard |
| 20:13.26 | caz_ | wiht references it auto-dereferenced everything |
| 20:13.33 | caz_ | so u just set it equal to 10 |
| 20:13.59 | caz_ | im doing this huge work around right now |
| 20:14.06 | caz_ | to try and get some resemeblence |
| 20:14.07 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | in my opinion the only realy use of pointer in mapping is referencing memory addresses |
| 20:14.09 | caz_ | to pointers |
| 20:14.18 | caz_ | *lolz* |
| 20:14.22 | caz_ | pointers ARE memory addresses |
| 20:14.26 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i know |
| 20:14.36 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | but why use them when its auto done |
| 20:14.49 | caz_ | they are needed to pass structures without having to pass every god damn variable |
| 20:14.49 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | we dont have maps |
| 20:15.01 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | nor vectors at that |
| 20:15.16 | caz_ | i have alot of records |
| 20:15.19 | caz_ | i even have records inside of records |
| 20:15.23 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | yes |
| 20:15.27 | caz_ | pointers simplify working with htese |
| 20:15.36 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | explain |
| 20:16.03 | Vailreth | stop stop stop all of this prorgaming talk is making my head hurt |
| 20:16.04 | caz_ | if i had a record with 20 variables .. 5 of which are also structs each containing 4 variables |
| 20:16.14 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ok |
| 20:16.16 | caz_ | thats like 40 variables id have to pass to a function to set that fker up |
| 20:16.30 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i see now |
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| 20:16.39 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | Vail thats what mapping is |
| 20:16.48 | caz_ | and every 2 or 3 dimensional array of records |
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| 20:17.03 | caz_ | u'd have to pass 3 indexes t ospecify which record ur working with |
| 20:17.10 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ya |
| 20:17.23 | caz_ | so even if u pass that record to a functio nby index |
| 20:17.25 | Taintedwisp | Lol mapping is simply an outlet to see your ideas in action |
| 20:17.25 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 20:17.26 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | its random access |
| 20:17.27 | caz_ | u need 3 indexes |
| 20:17.30 | Vailreth | i do data editing and minor GUI trigger work... |
| 20:17.39 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | lol |
| 20:17.45 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | its still a form of programming |
| 20:18.04 | Taintedwisp | :P lol, yeah in a way, Though its a lazier form of programming :P |
| 20:18.08 | Vailreth | yes but .... if i dont think out it that way i get less of a headache |
| 20:18.10 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | oh ya |
| 20:18.18 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | blizz makes it like automated for us |
| 20:18.43 | Bommes | aloha |
| 20:18.57 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 20:18.58 | caz_ | another thing...what if i have a record for creatures |
| 20:19.17 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | idk |
| 20:19.18 | Taintedwisp | Vailreth, is good at Data and his Gui is coming along well, so I cant deny either of those haah |
| 20:19.19 | caz_ | and some of these creatures have differnet possibile abilties.. a nd costs and other shit that i also store in records |
| 20:19.29 | caz_ | ud have to check so much shit >.> |
| 20:19.40 | caz_ | CAZ IS ON BITCH MODE |
| 20:19.48 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | lol |
| 20:20.11 | Taintedwisp | Hope SoulCarverr finishes up today :P, so we can work on getting it to presentation worthy |
| 20:20.18 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | im only good at gui and slight galaxy and little data |
| 20:20.38 | caz_ | im setting a thing up for my map right now that there will be 1 giant array for each type of structure |
| 20:20.41 | Taintedwisp | Im good at project management... Medium data, Medium Terrain |
| 20:20.44 | caz_ | everything else in the map will refernece those indexes |
| 20:20.52 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | nice |
| 20:21.04 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | that seems like lots of work |
| 20:21.08 | caz_ | if i have a record that stores anther record |
| 20:21.15 | caz_ | instead of putting hte record inside like i normally would |
| 20:21.25 | caz_ | i'll put an int that points to a valid instance of that record |
| 20:21.37 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | that makes sense |
| 20:22.01 | caz_ | and it is work |
| 20:22.04 | caz_ | i ofund a bug in it this morning :D |
| 20:22.12 | caz_ | when i was changin else-ifs to switches |
| 20:22.34 | Taintedwisp | lol Vailreth have you re-started your terrain? without the dirty mind? |
| 20:22.35 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 20:23.08 | Vailreth | yes but im back to working on the character select in think i have had an epiphany |
| 20:23.16 | Taintedwisp | Awesome |
| 20:23.33 | Taintedwisp | Great Ideas + Capability = Great Work |
| 20:24.06 | caz_ | Great work only gets created |
| 20:24.09 | caz_ | if there is a demand to buy it |
| 20:24.51 | caz_ | xxdragonridderxx did u catch the /msg i sent u ? |
| 20:25.05 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 20:25.21 | Taintedwisp | Great work is in the eyes of the Beholder, Anyways, I have a good feeling about this Hero Select |
| 20:25.34 | Taintedwisp | so im not worried about it haha |
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| 20:57.18 | Vailreth | Taintedwisp, we are going to have to set up hero command cards in a specific way to work with my triggers |
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| 21:10.14 | zenxu | http://www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit tb streamin torchlight 2 |
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| 21:27.27 | Taintedwisp | Thats fine vailreth, Sorry bout the response my internet went out haha |
| 21:28.30 | Vailreth | no problem i am doing some last minute fixes for the character select then i will upload a fresh version 7 |
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| 21:29.51 | Taintedwisp | okie sounds good |
| 21:31.12 | Vailreth | ok feel free to take a look note its set to show the same ability four times |
| 21:31.57 | Vailreth | final version would show each hero ability |
| 21:32.01 | Bibendus | mmmmmm |
| 21:32.06 | Bibendus | where are maps downloaded now |
| 21:32.07 | Bibendus | from bnet? |
| 21:32.57 | Triceron | you mean on your computer? |
| 21:32.57 | Vailreth | in windows there are in the users Documents i believe |
| 21:32.58 | Taintedwisp | Where it says the units name, can you either move it, or make it smaller? so that it doesnt overlap another Dialog button |
| 21:33.09 | Taintedwisp | Yeha the abilities look pretty good |
| 21:33.24 | Taintedwisp | Though if you ask me the button could be a lil bigger, but if thats not possible then dont worrie it looks good though] |
| 21:33.50 | Vailreth | na it can be bigger its current value is just a test size |
| 21:34.02 | Taintedwisp | kk sweet |
| 21:34.21 | Taintedwisp | Like I have said, its your project, so feel free to say no to anything I say hahah. |
| 21:34.24 | Vailreth | also i intend to replace the Names with wireframes in the selection dialog |
| 21:34.38 | Taintedwisp | Ahh okay sounds cool |
| 21:34.48 | Taintedwisp | Either change to wireframes, Portraits or Btns |
| 21:35.00 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 21:35.01 | Taintedwisp | Picture btns |
| 21:35.07 | Bibendus | y |
| 21:35.10 | Bibendus | on my comp |
| 21:35.11 | Bibendus | from bnet |
| 21:35.21 | Taintedwisp | Check your documents folder, i am not usre maybe in there? |
| 21:35.38 | Bibendus | |it was here before |
| 21:35.39 | Bibendus | C:\ProgramData\Blizzard Entertainment\Battle.net\Cache |
| 21:35.47 | Taintedwisp | OHH |
| 21:35.51 | Taintedwisp | you mean Locked maps? |
| 21:35.57 | Vailreth | icons will use less screen realestate total so we would be able to fit more in in the end |
| 21:35.58 | Bibendus | ye |
| 21:36.00 | Taintedwisp | I think they stream now |
| 21:36.07 | Bibendus | da hell :O |
| 21:36.13 | Bibendus | they are still downloaded |
| 21:36.15 | Bibendus | somewhere |
| 21:36.19 | Triceron | if they stream does that mean people can't hack their cache any more? |
| 21:36.23 | Triceron | cuz it's still downloaded |
| 21:36.24 | Taintedwisp | Yeah only part of them I would imagine |
| 21:36.36 | Taintedwisp | The banks are still located locally |
| 21:36.39 | Taintedwisp | I know that for a fact |
| 21:36.49 | Triceron | kinda dumb that banks are local |
| 21:37.23 | Taintedwisp | Well Artestru or deletarius one, was saying how they are talking about them being server side one day, but thats all we got out of them about it haha |
| 21:37.33 | Taintedwisp | But talking about doesnt mean anything |
| 21:37.43 | Taintedwisp | So they do know WHAT we want |
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| 21:39.58 | Bibendus | yeah |
| 21:40.04 | Bibendus | to make them secure |
| 21:40.05 | Bibendus | for the market |
| 21:40.14 | Bibendus | they have to make maps server side |
| 21:40.17 | Taintedwisp | Screw da market... |
| 21:40.18 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:40.23 | Taintedwisp | I hate the market idea... stil |
| 21:40.39 | Taintedwisp | Luckily the way they were talking it is planned, but planned for WAY later. |
| 21:40.50 | Taintedwisp | Not even in teh Soon(tm) range |
| 21:40.58 | Triceron | 2013 sometime |
| 21:41.01 | Taintedwisp | so means it could still easily be canceled |
| 21:41.01 | Triceron | definitely |
| 21:41.06 | Taintedwisp | No not 2013 |
| 21:41.17 | Taintedwisp | 2015 or 2016 MAYBE |
| 21:41.20 | Triceron | nah |
| 21:41.24 | Taintedwisp | LoTV would be the last chance |
| 21:41.24 | Triceron | 2013 |
| 21:41.29 | Taintedwisp | Hopefulyl that Crap wont come out |
| 21:41.53 | Taintedwisp | Its a stupid idea, this editor is close to the same difficulty as UDK, if people wanted to sale their shit they should go use that. |
| 21:41.54 | Triceron | depends how they set it up, really |
| 21:41.58 | Bibendus | damnit |
| 21:42.01 | Taintedwisp | Much larger community could use it |
| 21:42.30 | Taintedwisp | Same for Moddelers its stupid to sale them on Battle.net, when you can sale them to a much larger scale much easier |
| 21:42.40 | Bibendus | actually |
| 21:42.42 | Triceron | it's not anything like UDK, cuz UDK is a lot more modular |
| 21:42.45 | Taintedwisp | If it was an Open Platform, that was FTP it would MIGHT work |
| 21:42.47 | Bibendus | you can access custom maps |
| 21:42.52 | Bibendus | even without owning a game license |
| 21:42.53 | Bibendus | if they want |
| 21:43.13 | Taintedwisp | Like I said, they way they were talking it was going to be after HoTS |
| 21:43.14 | Triceron | straight through the demo you mean? |
| 21:43.15 | Taintedwisp | Way after |
| 21:43.19 | Bibendus | ye |
| 21:43.22 | Bibendus | you can create an account |
| 21:43.22 | Taintedwisp | so 2015, MAYBE |
| 21:43.25 | Bibendus | free account |
| 21:43.29 | Triceron | yeah, that's what I like |
| 21:43.32 | Bibendus | and play bejeweled for free now |
| 21:43.41 | Triceron | I wonder how that affects their expansions though |
| 21:43.55 | Triceron | if they allow that content to be accessed through the demo version |
| 21:43.55 | Bibendus | so if they add pay things |
| 21:44.06 | Bibendus | they will probably allow people to just buy them |
| 21:44.08 | Bibendus | without owning the game |
| 21:44.11 | Triceron | I'm actually hoping they could access a microtransaction system |
| 21:44.16 | Bibendus | yep |
| 21:44.19 | Bibendus | that would be awesome |
| 21:44.20 | Taintedwisp | I dunno, all I know is if money is brought in to the mix with the community, it would be the ruin of a great community, and I wont be around to put up with the stupiditiy |
| 21:44.24 | Taintedwisp | Money ALWAYS corrupts |
| 21:44.31 | Bibendus | i'm fucking corrupt |
| 21:44.35 | Bibendus | anything against it? |
| 21:44.39 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:44.41 | Triceron | so that content is only pay for mod access. Play map for free, pay if you want access to X mods that affect the map |
| 21:44.45 | Bibendus | I want to make it a job |
| 21:44.49 | Bibendus | where is the problem? |
| 21:44.51 | Triceron | exactly |
| 21:44.54 | Bibendus | or the evilness |
| 21:45.09 | Bibendus | I released like 6 map versions in 3 weeks while I was on holyday |
| 21:45.20 | Triceron | people pay for LoL heroes, people pay for TF2 hats. Doesn't hurt anyone else playing the games |
| 21:45.23 | Taintedwisp | Besides plain stupidity? There are over 112 pages, Do you really think your map will go to the top? |
| 21:45.26 | Bibendus | and now after almsot 1 month I was able to release another version... that's because I have a job |
| 21:45.34 | Taintedwisp | there is no way you can support yourself |
| 21:45.44 | Taintedwisp | the top maps might make 1000$ off of it |
| 21:45.55 | Bibendus | noone knows actually |
| 21:46.00 | Bibendus | sure the market is not stupid as the apple market |
| 21:46.17 | Bibendus | you won't have people spending dollars for the ZergFart map |
| 21:46.19 | Taintedwisp | The apple market has a better chance, Because its an open platform. |
| 21:46.19 | Triceron | I don't think maps need to be #1 spot to make money |
| 21:46.30 | Bibendus | no they don't |
| 21:46.35 | Bibendus | and sold maps are on top usually |
| 21:46.35 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:46.44 | Bibendus | no it's not open |
| 21:46.44 | Bibendus | xD |
| 21:46.53 | Bibendus | apple and open can't be used on the same phrase |
| 21:47.06 | Triceron | Tainted, you ever developed for iphone or android? |
| 21:47.16 | Triceron | you have to pay money to develop; then royalties on top for all sales |
| 21:47.27 | Triceron | it's not cheap |
| 21:47.42 | Taintedwisp | heres what I see, 99% of maps wont make money, and makers will put out shittier maps quicker, just because the more maps you have the more chance you have of some idiot paying for it, and 2 all sc2 mapping teams will be split over money, the community will no longer help each other |
| 21:47.59 | Taintedwisp | And I will move back to Making Maps for DoDS and CSS |
| 21:48.14 | Triceron | I've worked on contracts for guys who are trying to go indy. They have to compete with every other free app on the market and sell their own for 99c or less |
| 21:48.28 | Taintedwisp | No but i used to develop for the Xbox 360 I know how it works |
| 21:48.35 | Taintedwisp | The UDK works like this will anyways |
| 21:48.46 | Taintedwisp | You make your project then they take money from your profits |
| 21:49.02 | Bibendus | money is evilness |
| 21:49.03 | Taintedwisp | and the UDK can make MUCH MUCH better games |
| 21:49.05 | Bibendus | work for free damnit! |
| 21:49.06 | Bibendus | :D |
| 21:49.11 | Taintedwisp | Money is evil... there is no doubt about that |
| 21:49.23 | Bibendus | still need it to eat |
| 21:49.26 | Triceron | yeah but how many amateur modders do you see making UDK games? |
| 21:49.28 | Taintedwisp | I do work for free, I make these maps free of charge, all I ask is that atleast 1 or 2 people try it out. :P |
| 21:49.31 | Triceron | hobbyists and such? |
| 21:49.32 | Bibendus | so it's the world making you evil |
| 21:49.33 | Taintedwisp | <---- |
| 21:49.36 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:49.37 | Bibendus | you can't do anything about it |
| 21:49.37 | Bibendus | :D |
| 21:49.41 | Taintedwisp | I work SLOWLY in the udk.. |
| 21:49.42 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 21:49.47 | Triceron | exactly |
| 21:49.59 | Taintedwisp | Thats only because there is no Community sites like Sc2mapster though |
| 21:50.03 | Taintedwisp | Thats the ONLY reason |
| 21:50.05 | Triceron | it's a loooot of time investment to really create anything out of UDK |
| 21:50.09 | Taintedwisp | Its not any harder then Galaxy editor |
| 21:50.19 | Triceron | sure tehre are |
| 21:50.19 | Taintedwisp | Not that I could find |
| 21:50.26 | Taintedwisp | If you can show me to one I will jump start on my project haha |
| 21:50.53 | Taintedwisp | And its just a UT mod, so its not advanced but I couldnt find any sites for help because everyone is just after money... |
| 21:50.55 | Triceron | moddb? |
| 21:51.10 | Triceron | I saw some huge UDK projects on there |
| 21:51.27 | Taintedwisp | This is just people showing off projects.. |
| 21:51.36 | Taintedwisp | there is no tutorials or really any community just for the UDK there |
| 21:52.23 | Triceron | and you suggest people to use that instead of staying with an established modding community? |
| 21:52.25 | Taintedwisp | Thats the real reason I come here, because it has a GOOD community, size matters little |
| 21:53.11 | Triceron | I think the size is smaller than War3, but I really hate that the editor overcomplicates itself |
| 21:53.11 | Taintedwisp | Theres a difference between working with people who are out for themselves and money and people who are out to do something for fun, if the market comes, then that will be destroyed |
| 21:53.15 | Bibendus | udk means no assets |
| 21:53.19 | Triceron | I still can't make a new unit -_- |
| 21:53.24 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:53.31 | Triceron | you gotta like... add new unit, then new actors, then new model etc etc |
| 21:53.32 | Bibendus | so u haz to do your graphic |
| 21:53.36 | Bibendus | and I'm not a modeler |
| 21:53.37 | Taintedwisp | The editor is pretty easy |
| 21:53.48 | Triceron | War3 was easy |
| 21:53.54 | Taintedwisp | Well bibendus, thats a Paid community for you, thats what money does |
| 21:54.00 | Taintedwisp | When you get paid you have to buy your assets |
| 21:54.13 | Bibendus | i would like to |
| 21:54.14 | Taintedwisp | Another reason Sc2 modding will suck the n |
| 21:54.16 | Bibendus | buy models |
| 21:54.19 | Bibendus | to use on a pay map |
| 21:54.20 | Bibendus | and btw |
| 21:54.20 | Taintedwisp | why? |
| 21:54.21 | Triceron | I'd totally make models for peole |
| 21:54.27 | Bibendus | because actually there are 0 new assets |
| 21:54.27 | Triceron | if I could get paid for em :P |
| 21:54.35 | Bibendus | paying people to do them would mean to have something to use |
| 21:54.37 | Bibendus | and btw |
| 21:54.42 | Bibendus | I was talking about sc2 assets |
| 21:54.45 | Taintedwisp | Then make a site and Sell them Trice why are you waiting on the marketplace? |
| 21:54.50 | Triceron | but really, 2 weeks of work to 'help' someone isn't really ideal |
| 21:54.54 | Bibendus | you already have terrain, models, basic scripts like AI & pathing |
| 21:55.03 | Triceron | who's got money to buy models for maps they aren't making money off of? |
| 21:55.03 | Bibendus | it's faster do use then UDK |
| 21:55.37 | Taintedwisp | The point is, your NEVER going to make a project that you can support yourself off of, and you will never make enough money where you will feel satisfied.. |
| 21:55.49 | Triceron | not true |
| 21:55.52 | Triceron | I do this for a hobby |
| 21:55.54 | Bibendus | I suppose there could be different form of payment |
| 21:55.59 | Bibendus | like make it free for free maps |
| 21:56.09 | Bibendus | and force to pay to use models on a pay map |
| 21:56.10 | Taintedwisp | Personally I would be happy, if we just got a donate button. |
| 21:56.22 | Taintedwisp | and any donates I got I would buy shit for my fanbase |
| 21:56.28 | Taintedwisp | shit to give back to them |
| 21:56.36 | Taintedwisp | and witha donate, you could ask for donations to buy models |
| 21:56.47 | Triceron | and I would do this for free if it wasn't for the fact that the time and effort really doesn't make it worth the time to start. If this were back in War3 days and models can be made in a couple hours, sure. |
| 21:56.50 | Taintedwisp | then Trice could sell his models, and we could pay for them without money from our pockets |
| 21:57.32 | Triceron | but ideally, it's better to work off microtransactions. Model for one person and sell for $400? Or make a model that 400 people can use for $1? |
| 21:57.34 | Taintedwisp | Yeah, Honestly I hope the Marketplace gets scrapped, and the person who had the idea gets slapped... |
| 21:57.35 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 21:58.03 | Taintedwisp | Trice, they arent going to let you sell models.. I can tell you that |
| 21:58.14 | Taintedwisp | they way its going to work, is the map is locked for you until you buy it.. |
| 21:58.14 | Triceron | unless they're in a mod |
| 21:58.21 | Taintedwisp | Even then. |
| 21:58.29 | Taintedwisp | The mod will only be playable online |
| 21:58.32 | Triceron | yeah |
| 21:58.34 | Triceron | and? |
| 21:58.36 | Taintedwisp | and we wont be able to rip stuff from them |
| 21:58.39 | Triceron | all maps are played online |
| 21:58.41 | Bibendus | and? |
| 21:58.43 | Bibendus | in fact |
| 21:58.46 | Bibendus | you can use dependencies |
| 21:58.55 | Triceron | you know when you're playing singleplayer, you're still online for that |
| 21:58.58 | Taintedwisp | Not when the paid dependencies are private lol |
| 21:58.58 | Triceron | everything is online |
| 21:59.04 | Bibendus | if you buy an asset they can simply allow your account to use this asset on your maps |
| 21:59.08 | Taintedwisp | And Updating maps will be a pain in the ass |
| 21:59.11 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:59.14 | Bibendus | wut? |
| 21:59.20 | Triceron | Yeah but it's as simple as me making a mod with all my assets |
| 21:59.28 | Bibendus | btw |
| 21:59.28 | Triceron | and if you buy the map/mod, you get access to using it |
| 21:59.29 | Taintedwisp | You really think they will allow you to just update your map directly? |
| 21:59.36 | Bibendus | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/43083-how-to-obtain-protected-maps-from-b-net-cache-since/ |
| 21:59.37 | Triceron | and it's all dependancy based |
| 21:59.44 | Taintedwisp | they are getting a cut, it will go through them as a middle man which could be a week for a patch |
| 22:00.13 | Triceron | right now there's absolutely no protection for dependancies or maps |
| 22:00.13 | Bibendus | ye tainted |
| 22:00.15 | Bibendus | it could happen |
| 22:00.21 | Bibendus | actually |
| 22:00.27 | Bibendus | read the post |
| 22:00.39 | Bibendus | because it seems that now you can't obtain protected maps anymore |
| 22:01.04 | Triceron | but no one can play protected maps cept creator isn't it? |
| 22:01.10 | Taintedwisp | As I see it there are 2 possibilities 1. Its not used much and people make very little money, or 2, it does work and it destroys the map making community, and when Wc4 comes out 99% of mappers will have left and it will have an even smaller community behind it |
| 22:01.28 | Triceron | WC4 won't be around for at least 7 more yrs |
| 22:01.28 | Bibendus | anyone can play them |
| 22:01.30 | Bibendus | u can't open them |
| 22:01.38 | Taintedwisp | I know Trice |
| 22:01.43 | Triceron | that's a lot of time |
| 22:02.10 | Triceron | hrm, when was this changed then? |
| 22:02.13 | Taintedwisp | well, Honestly, I am done talking about it because of one fact, I made my decision |
| 22:02.18 | Triceron | 1.5? |
| 22:02.25 | Bibendus | probably yes |
| 22:02.26 | Taintedwisp | IF it does come out, I am quitting permanantly all blizzard games |
| 22:02.28 | Triceron | hmm |
| 22:02.29 | Bibendus | because now it's all streamed |
| 22:02.32 | Triceron | I might have to test this |
| 22:02.38 | Taintedwisp | Only so much BS |
| 22:02.45 | Taintedwisp | I dont like the real money AH either |
| 22:02.46 | Bibendus | in bnet cache now u haz a lot of random files |
| 22:02.53 | Bibendus | with random names and sized |
| 22:02.54 | Bibendus | sizes |
| 22:02.57 | Taintedwisp | D3 players who use it are just rude to other players... thats why I quit D3 |
| 22:03.04 | Triceron | cuz if that offers enough protection that people can't access imported assets through map protection, I might start releasing some models |
| 22:03.06 | Taintedwisp | Money corrupts all |
| 22:03.29 | Bibendus | give me money and I could agree with you |
| 22:03.36 | Triceron | lol |
| 22:03.37 | Bibendus | :D |
| 22:03.41 | Taintedwisp | If money can corrupt the Roman Catholic Church... then it can corrupt the already sinful lawl |
| 22:03.56 | Taintedwisp | I am in no way saying im not sinful either I am including myself |
| 22:03.58 | Triceron | so you're never gonna get a job? |
| 22:04.08 | Taintedwisp | Not one that pays a ton of money |
| 22:04.24 | Taintedwisp | I would refuse any job over 110,000 a year, and even 100,000 is rich to me |
| 22:04.31 | Triceron | so maing maps for SC2 marketplace then |
| 22:04.36 | Taintedwisp | of course accoriding to obama and romney its middle class |
| 22:05.08 | Triceron | how old are you again? |
| 22:05.14 | Taintedwisp | 20 |
| 22:05.24 | Triceron | and you have access to 100k paying jobs right now? |
| 22:05.31 | Bibendus | oh cmon |
| 22:05.33 | Taintedwisp | Not currently |
| 22:05.36 | Bibendus | our churc is the corruptor |
| 22:05.39 | Bibendus | not the corrupted |
| 22:05.42 | Bibendus | church |
| 22:05.43 | Bibendus | :D |
| 22:05.43 | Taintedwisp | right now the best I could get is 45-50k |
| 22:05.51 | Triceron | Well in 10 years lemme know if you still say the same |
| 22:05.59 | Taintedwisp | The Catholic Church was corrupted in the 1200s-1600s |
| 22:06.04 | Taintedwisp | Money |
| 22:06.05 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:06.06 | Bibendus | always has been |
| 22:06.07 | Bibendus | :D |
| 22:06.10 | Triceron | cuz I'll bet you that you'll see how real life kicks you in the ass and money becomes more of a necessity. |
| 22:06.18 | Bibendus | and btw religion has been created for mass control |
| 22:06.26 | Bibendus | so corruption in that case doesn't matter |
| 22:06.33 | Taintedwisp | Without Money, there would be no need for it. |
| 22:06.41 | Triceron | and it won't be about 'I'm gonna turn down high paying jobs' and be more about 'how the hell am I gonna pay these bills' |
| 22:06.42 | Taintedwisp | Currency is a stupid concept in general personally |
| 22:07.13 | Taintedwisp | If currency didnt exist, there would be no poor, no rich, nothing |
| 22:07.20 | Triceron | you're right |
| 22:07.22 | Triceron | there would be nothing |
| 22:07.26 | Taintedwisp | But there is a problem with it too |
| 22:07.34 | Taintedwisp | idiots trading their food for jewles.. |
| 22:07.39 | Triceron | no industry, no progress, no technology |
| 22:07.39 | Taintedwisp | jewels. |
| 22:07.39 | Bibendus | :D |
| 22:07.44 | Bibendus | if you want |
| 22:07.44 | Taintedwisp | yeah I realize that |
| 22:07.48 | Bibendus | to trade food for a hem |
| 22:07.48 | Triceron | and it'd still be a power struggle |
| 22:07.49 | Bibendus | gem |
| 22:07.51 | Bibendus | just do it |
| 22:07.52 | Bibendus | who cares |
| 22:07.53 | Taintedwisp | Yeah I know |
| 22:08.03 | Bibendus | the market is done by offer and request |
| 22:08.06 | Taintedwisp | But the ONLY upside, people wouldnt hesitate to help their fellow man |
| 22:08.11 | Bibendus | if people requires stupid things like jewelry |
| 22:08.15 | Triceron | because people who aren't gaining anything will simply take it, and we have absolutely no one to uphold any laws. Why bother? You're not getting paid, right? |
| 22:08.16 | Bibendus | then let be it |
| 22:08.23 | Taintedwisp | Yeah I know |
| 22:08.40 | Taintedwisp | I said currency was a stupid Concept, never said the alternatives currently werent worse |
| 22:08.56 | Bibendus | paying by sex |
| 22:08.58 | Bibendus | everything |
| 22:09.01 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 22:09.02 | Bibendus | would be the final solution |
| 22:09.10 | Bibendus | 2 apples pls |
| 22:09.14 | Bibendus | ok fuck me first |
| 22:09.30 | Triceron | well that's just as bad as saying the government is evil yet we have no alternatives. Anarchy is not a solution :P |
| 22:09.30 | Bibendus | oh cmon I already fucked the butcher and baker |
| 22:09.31 | caz_ | counter offer, 1 blowjob, 20 apples |
| 22:09.36 | Taintedwisp | I dont have a solution I am just saying that money corrrupts |
| 22:10.00 | Bibendus | porn actors would be the richer |
| 22:10.04 | Taintedwisp | Actually Bibendus in a barter system that was rarely the answer, But it didnt work either, because like I said people would trade their food for metal... |
| 22:10.05 | Triceron | ever heard of the bonobos? |
| 22:10.23 | Triceron | they're a type of monkey |
| 22:10.25 | Bibendus | if u need the metal |
| 22:10.25 | equinox1911_ | it's not he money that corrupts it's the power that comes wqith it |
| 22:10.28 | equinox1911_ | *with |
| 22:10.30 | Triceron | and their whole social order revolves around sex |
| 22:10.31 | Bibendus | where is the problem |
| 22:10.35 | Taintedwisp | They wanted the metal to kill people or wear.. |
| 22:10.37 | Taintedwisp | Its stupid |
| 22:10.44 | Bibendus | or make useful things |
| 22:10.47 | Taintedwisp | guess I am just an idealist haha, |
| 22:11.01 | Triceron | they're almost completely devoid of any physically violent behaviour, and resolve all issues with sex |
| 22:11.13 | Bibendus | bonobo's way yeeee |
| 22:11.13 | Taintedwisp | and your still stuck on sex |
| 22:11.31 | Triceron | not just sex |
| 22:11.33 | Triceron | monkey sex |
| 22:11.34 | Bibendus | well their community works at least |
| 22:11.34 | Bibendus | :P |
| 22:11.42 | Bibendus | if a male is angry |
| 22:11.49 | Bibendus | a fuck and then he's happy |
| 22:11.59 | Bibendus | STD spreading would be a problem however |
| 22:12.15 | Triceron | when they're happy, when they're sad, when they're angry, when they're mad |
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| 22:12.42 | Taintedwisp | Well like I had said, Screw the marketplace, its the dumbest idea that I have ever heard.... Its not thought out, the community will be ripped apart, and no one will really profit.. |
| 22:13.00 | Bibendus | it won't |
| 22:13.04 | Triceron | I wouldn't mind if the marketplace paid in blowjobs. Only from girls though |
| 22:13.05 | Bibendus | :D |
| 22:13.10 | Triceron | have my models for free |
| 22:13.11 | Bibendus | lol |
| 22:13.33 | Triceron | no cash or credit, only lip service from your gf |
| 22:14.12 | Triceron | *runs off to the Battle.net Suggestions forum* |
| 22:19.55 | Vailreth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6rsKSGA0Gg&feature=youtu.be |
| 22:20.35 | Triceron | oooh! |
| 22:20.38 | Triceron | very nice interface |
| 22:21.10 | Triceron | I especially like how it congratulates you with balloons for successfully choosing a hero |
| 22:21.24 | Vailreth | hah yes |
| 22:21.29 | Triceron | more games need that feature |
| 22:21.48 | Vailreth | in the final version there will even be a cheer sound effect |
| 22:21.58 | Bibendus | lol baloons |
| 22:21.59 | Bibendus | dafuq |
| 22:22.05 | Bibendus | was there a dragon sphere? |
| 22:22.33 | Triceron | gotta catch em all! |
| 22:22.43 | Bibendus | dragon ball |
| 22:22.43 | Bibendus | :D |
| 22:22.58 | Vailreth | yea the 1 star |
| 22:24.19 | Vailreth | any who im going to be afk for a bit |
| 22:26.51 | Taintedwisp | Much nicer Vailreth, cant wait to see it on the map |
| 22:27.12 | Triceron | oh Bibendus, how you enjoying the beta so far? |
| 22:27.30 | Bibendus | didn't play |
| 22:27.35 | Bibendus | I never play sc2 |
| 22:27.37 | Bibendus | melee |
| 22:27.46 | Triceron | do you play SC2 often at all? |
| 22:27.51 | Bibendus | nope |
| 22:27.52 | Bibendus | I only map |
| 22:27.53 | Triceron | wait, then how the heck did you get a beta key |
| 22:28.02 | Bibendus | I don't know |
| 22:28.03 | Bibendus | :D |
| 22:28.03 | Triceron | cuz I even read the beta waves blue post |
| 22:28.07 | Bibendus | maybe cuz I haz maps |
| 22:28.15 | Triceron | and they were like 'We're targetting people who play SC2 in the last 6 months' |
| 22:28.17 | Bibendus | and cuz blizz loves me |
| 22:28.36 | Bibendus | they love me so much that I got 2 accounts |
| 22:28.38 | Bibendus | lol |
| 22:28.52 | Triceron | whaaat?! |
| 22:29.01 | Bibendus | on the same account now I have to select |
| 22:29.06 | Bibendus | what account I want to play with |
| 22:29.07 | Bibendus | :D |
| 22:29.23 | Triceron | oh 2 betas you mean |
| 22:29.28 | Triceron | yeah my friend has that too |
| 22:29.29 | Triceron | it's weird |
| 22:29.34 | Bibendus | ye 2 betas on the same account |
| 22:29.36 | Bibendus | weird |
| 22:29.53 | Bibendus | I wanted to open the damn editor |
| 22:29.56 | Bibendus | but it's not working :| |
| 22:30.26 | Triceron | oh the HOTS one? |
| 22:30.27 | Triceron | Hrm |
| 22:30.36 | Triceron | I opened the editor through HOTS client before |
| 22:30.44 | Triceron | but it seemed to be the regular editor I think |
| 22:30.56 | Bibendus | it has something new |
| 22:31.02 | Bibendus | how did u open it? |
| 22:32.47 | Bommes | Bibendus: Do you have all the dependency data copied into the beta folder? |
| 22:33.01 | Bibendus | I copy pasted everything |
| 22:33.03 | Bommes | I know that I had the same error |
| 22:33.08 | Bibendus | from the original game |
| 22:33.11 | Bommes | and I think I fixed that by copying it |
| 22:33.13 | Bibendus | same local |
| 22:33.14 | Bommes | hmm no clue then :/ |
| 22:33.38 | Bibendus | damnit |
| 22:33.44 | Bommes | Triceron: It has some new stuff |
| 22:33.47 | Bommes | like the UI editor |
| 22:33.53 | Bommes | and other minor things |
| 22:34.04 | Bommes | also |
| 22:34.10 | Bommes | Morph Abilities don't work anymore :D |
| 22:34.22 | Bommes | always crash the editor if you try to make them in HotS |
| 22:34.31 | Triceron | I opened it the first day of the client |
| 22:34.42 | Triceron | I haven't opened it since. I couldn't access new units anyways from it |
| 22:34.55 | Triceron | I ended up taking a look at the mpq's instead |
| 22:35.03 | Triceron | I want to open that stuff real bad |
| 22:35.12 | Triceron | looks like a lot of units have new anims |
| 22:35.27 | Triceron | *drool* |
| 22:35.30 | Bommes | thats awesome |
| 22:35.42 | Bommes | did you find any indications about the ragdoll/physics things? |
| 22:35.48 | Bommes | they have to change the models for that, right? |
| 22:35.57 | Triceron | not ragdoll in particular |
| 22:36.21 | Triceron | well afaik, the new models can't be imported into 3ds yet |
| 22:37.06 | Bommes | They will release a lot of documentation with the upcoming StarTools though |
| 22:37.09 | Bommes | they talked about that yesterday |
| 22:37.39 | Triceron | wtb startools nao |
| 22:38.20 | Bommes | like the documentation about the cinematic cutscene editor |
| 22:38.21 | Bommes | http://us.media.blizzard.com/starcraft2/downloads/tutorial/SCII-CutsceneEditorInstructions.pdf |
| 22:38.50 | Triceron | so it completely replaced the previewer eh? |
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| 22:39.05 | tordy | good evening |
| 22:39.07 | Bommes | yeah |
| 22:39.14 | Bommes | but its pretty neat |
| 22:39.19 | Bommes | I never liked the Previewer anyway |
| 22:39.20 | Bommes | :) |
| 22:39.22 | Bommes | hello |
| 22:39.24 | Triceron | Ahoy tordy |
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| 22:46.01 | Bommes | http://de.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit |
| 22:46.06 | Bommes | totalbiscuit streaming torchlight 2 beta |
| 22:46.25 | Creation25 | Did Blizzard increase the size cap on mod uploads? Successfully uploaded a 22MB mob to b.net |
| 22:46.33 | Creation25 | mod* |
| 22:47.58 | Triceron | it's been at 50 for a while |
| 22:48.07 | Triceron | 10 for map, 50 for mod |
| 22:50.23 | Triceron | wait, my numbers are totally wrong, it's like 20 for map and 100 total storage |
| 22:51.22 | Bibendus | y |
| 22:51.25 | Bibendus | I was watching |
| 22:54.40 | Bibendus | creation |
| 22:54.44 | Bibendus | is 22 compressed or not |
| 22:54.54 | Bibendus | super comperssed I mean |
| 22:55.16 | Bibendus | Creation25 |
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