| 00:01.16 | Tolkfan1 | one day maybe I'll learn the data editor, but it takes a lot of time for me to like something I've previously disliked... example: I just recently read the first Harry Potter book :P |
| 00:01.36 | Tolkfan1 | didn't like it... |
| 00:03.03 | Taintedwisp | Well... you bettter get to it Tolkfan |
| 00:03.24 | Bommes | to be fair, the first harry potter book is pretty bad. |
| 00:03.33 | Bommes | but in my opinion they get better from part 3 onwards |
| 00:04.07 | Taintedwisp | I dunno about the books, I only read the 4th and the 6th one, But David Radcliff? couldnt act worth a shit... |
| 00:04.09 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 00:04.21 | Taintedwisp | THe movies were good, but Harry was someone who didnt need to be in them ahha |
| 00:04.50 | Bommes | I didn't see the movies, I'm really picky about watching movies based on novels if I read the novels already. |
| 00:04.52 | Taintedwisp | He acts like Kristian stewart that dumb twilight girl |
| 00:04.54 | Saltpeter | I tried to read the first Harry Potter. |
| 00:04.58 | Taintedwisp | He just acts Dull and boreing |
| 00:05.07 | Saltpeter | The first chapter was so awful I couldn't continue. |
| 00:05.08 | Bommes | LotR was okay, but I can't even watch the Game of Thrones Series although its really well made |
| 00:05.12 | Taintedwisp | The movies are good, But they remove alot from what I hear |
| 00:05.14 | Bommes | I just know the novel too well :/ |
| 00:05.33 | Taintedwisp | now Stephen Kings "Christine" THERES A DAMN GOOD BOOk |
| 00:05.37 | Saltpeter | "He was the boy who lived!" So what? Why should I care? He was abused? Is that it? ;>_> |
| 00:05.44 | Taintedwisp | If you dont like that , something is wrong with you... |
| 00:06.25 | Taintedwisp | Christine is an older book, Sitll 1900s, just like 1960s lol, good book though |
| 00:06.32 | Taintedwisp | The Outsiders is a good book too |
| 00:08.29 | Saltpeter | Hey, got an editor question. |
| 00:09.09 | Saltpeter | In Muze's Uberlisk tutorial, he says to set the model for an individual spine to "spinecrawler.m3". That is an unburrowed spinecrawler. Would it work to use "spinecrawlerPlacement"? |
| 00:09.29 | Saltpeter | That is the burrowed spinecrawler. |
| 00:10.42 | Taintedwisp | It should, But I dont know, Just try and find out |
| 00:10.45 | Saltpeter | And I know I can try it myself. >_> But I don't want to do anything that, if it doesn't work, make me go back through a bunch of changes. |
| 00:10.51 | Saltpeter | Alright. |
| 00:10.53 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 00:11.00 | Saltpeter | I'll just try to use the unburrowed one for now. |
| 00:11.09 | Bommes | SpineCrawlerPlacement is not the burrowed spine crawler, its the model that shows before the spine crawler gets built |
| 00:11.12 | Saltpeter | Making something that works before experimenting is my way. |
| 00:11.14 | Bommes | that preview when the worker runs there |
| 00:11.16 | Saltpeter | Ahh. |
| 00:11.27 | Bommes | to get the burrowed spine crawler you have to play the right stand animation |
| 00:11.32 | Saltpeter | In that case, I need the one Muze used. |
| 00:11.35 | Saltpeter | Thanks. :D |
| 00:11.37 | Bommes | I don't know the exact animatino name though, you have to look that up in the previewer |
| 00:11.49 | Saltpeter | I'm sure the tutorial will go into it. |
| 00:11.52 | Bommes | probably something like Stand Burrow |
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| 00:13.25 | Taintedwisp | ewww... monsters inc 2.... |
| 00:13.27 | Taintedwisp | ewwww |
| 00:13.28 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 00:13.31 | Taintedwisp | sounds terrible |
| 00:13.39 | Taintedwisp | Its not even a sequel its a pre-quel.. |
| 00:14.39 | Kueken | whats bad about prequels? |
| 00:15.41 | Taintedwisp | Nothing... just dont think it fits in a cartoon movie... |
| 00:18.57 | Taintedwisp | now... Go make me a final boss for evolution Frenzy AHAHAH |
| 00:20.27 | Taintedwisp | Wtf.. |
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| 00:20.32 | Taintedwisp | I cant sign into wow, all the servers are RED |
| 00:20.43 | CryptRat | Is there a simple way of forcing channeling to cancel when taking damage? |
| 00:20.55 | CryptRat | or |
| 00:20.58 | CryptRat | rather Preparing |
| 00:21.17 | Taintedwisp | Hey Blizz-Artestru I know your not on the WoW side, but do you know what may be causing this? |
| 00:21.42 | Taintedwisp | I checked and the site says all servers are up... |
| 00:21.46 | Taintedwisp | Why Are they all down for me |
| 00:21.47 | Blizz-Artestru | yeah they look pu to me |
| 00:21.56 | Blizz-Artestru | did you have a ptr or beta client installed? |
| 00:22.03 | Taintedwisp | I had PTR on my account |
| 00:22.08 | Taintedwisp | but not installed |
| 00:22.46 | Taintedwisp | and I know the only thing I had done... and If I was banned for taht... well I will never play another blizzard game... |
| 00:23.13 | Taintedwisp | I went to moonguard and typed out Bible Verses... ahaha they were talking about Child Rape and such, they needed jesus |
| 00:23.27 | Taintedwisp | cant sign into the website either |
| 00:23.33 | Taintedwisp | nvm there it goes |
| 00:24.16 | Taintedwisp | Weird, hope its just a bug... |
| 00:24.31 | Taintedwisp | all servers are red, and when I click one it says Connected , then says you were disconnected haha |
| 00:24.37 | Taintedwisp | Ill try again later |
| 00:25.21 | Taintedwisp | hmm |
| 00:25.34 | Taintedwisp | okay it says that I might be logging into WoW 2, on the forums |
| 00:25.36 | Taintedwisp | Maybe thats all |
| 00:26.19 | Taintedwisp | nope.. |
| 00:27.27 | Tolkfan | 02:23... sleep or finish the damned cinematic? :( |
| 00:27.38 | Taintedwisp | hmm I have 3 wow accounts? for some reason, but the account page on Battle.net shows 2 starter accounts, A public test realm, and the last one would be my REAL account |
| 00:27.53 | Taintedwisp | So why I cant I log in with WoW 4... it seems that it should be there and be my paid account |
| 00:28.00 | Taintedwisp | then again why Cant I log in witha starter account |
| 00:29.02 | Tolkfan | I got 3-day banned once for quoting gen. Patton's not-so-nice opinion about Russians... |
| 00:29.26 | Taintedwisp | hmmm |
| 00:29.43 | Taintedwisp | Yeah but I made sure none of the verses I was posting was offensive... to any race... |
| 00:30.01 | Taintedwisp | Plus I have been banned before.. |
| 00:30.04 | Taintedwisp | You get an email hahaah |
| 00:30.09 | Taintedwisp | That was on a different account though |
| 00:30.14 | Taintedwisp | And I was like 14 |
| 00:30.15 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 00:30.30 | Taintedwisp | Told some lesbian off who was talking down to me in game... |
| 00:30.32 | Tolkfan | maybe the GM is sending that email as we speek ;p |
| 00:30.44 | Taintedwisp | hahah |
| 00:31.15 | Saltpeter | The tutorial is saying to make my spine unit based on "Missile_Invulnerable (Unknown)". I can't find this item in the list of parents. |
| 00:31.18 | Taintedwisp | If they do... that would be considered religious Persecution so I doubt they would.. no company is that dumb... And I have a bit more faith in blizzard then taht |
| 00:31.27 | Tolkfan | the GM that banned me was nice enough to warn me and give me some time to finish an instance :P |
| 00:31.55 | Taintedwisp | hmmm |
| 00:32.24 | Taintedwisp | A GM warned me when I was doing the bible verses, I screen shotted him linking sites of child porn... he STFU after that... |
| 00:32.31 | Saltpeter | Perhaps it's "Invulnerable Missile" now? |
| 00:32.33 | Taintedwisp | Sick bastards... that server should really be shut down |
| 00:32.53 | Taintedwisp | But the people outside of goldshire are fine... |
| 00:33.05 | Taintedwisp | its just the sickos that congregate there on that one server |
| 00:35.44 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/HPpuQ.jpg |
| 00:35.47 | Taintedwisp | Thats all I see |
| 00:35.57 | Taintedwisp | Its on the correct WoW, i triple checked that |
| 00:37.20 | Taintedwisp | ihmmmmm |
| 00:37.57 | Tolkfan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIsIHgVWP7g Orc vs Wild: Moonguard [SFW] |
| 00:38.30 | Taintedwisp | Hey Blizz-Artestru, I am also getting errors on the site, Where should I post this? |
| 00:38.36 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/G0wZN.jpg |
| 00:39.23 | tordy | try logging in again |
| 00:40.24 | Taintedwisp | No reason |
| 00:40.29 | Taintedwisp | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6571487159 |
| 00:40.34 | Taintedwisp | Everyone is having the issue |
| 00:40.41 | Taintedwisp | Wish they would throw up a tweet though |
| 00:42.07 | Taintedwisp | It appears its just the Log In server itself |
| 00:42.18 | Taintedwisp | That the actual servers are up and running |
| 00:42.40 | Taintedwisp | And blizzard did a tweet so I am content |
| 00:45.09 | Taintedwisp | So the Site, and WoW login servers are bugged, Sc2 logged in just fine thats what really matters |
| 00:45.27 | Taintedwisp | dont need any more players leaving starcraft WoW can loose a few million |
| 00:45.27 | Taintedwisp | hahah |
| 00:46.30 | tordy | try logging in again |
| 00:48.47 | Taintedwisp | Theres a patch out |
| 00:49.24 | Taintedwisp | sweet |
| 00:49.27 | Taintedwisp | that didnt take too long |
| 00:49.35 | Taintedwisp | BAN MOONGUARD PLEASE!!!! |
| 00:49.39 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 00:51.17 | Taintedwisp | There it works |
| 00:54.57 | tordy | what pathc |
| 01:05.24 | Taintedwisp | Theres a patch if you log out of WoW |
| 01:09.51 | Vailreth | well i am bored |
| 01:23.41 | Taintedwisp | hahah |
| 01:24.00 | Taintedwisp | Did you make any improvements to the Hero select dialog since the 2nd prototype? |
| 01:24.00 | Saltpeter | I knew creating this tower would be dreary business. D: So many actors, so many events. |
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| 01:27.34 | Vailreth | not since i made that video really i have some stuff set up for the abiility display dialog but i wont be implenenting that until i have the real map |
| 01:28.24 | Vailreth | the second video is actually the fourth interation of the map |
| 01:30.56 | Vailreth | the fifth if you incude the original test map |
| 01:42.10 | Taintedwisp | nice |
| 01:43.30 | Taintedwisp | Yeah, The cameras really look good, and it all looks very smooth, Hopefully the final product will be amazing |
| 01:45.45 | Vailreth | yes |
| 02:05.36 | Saltpeter | New question. |
| 02:05.55 | Saltpeter | While following the tutorial, it calls for making an actor event "MotionPhaseStart". |
| 02:06.05 | Saltpeter | With a Msg Type "Motion Phase Start". |
| 02:06.10 | Saltpeter | I can't find that in this list. |
| 02:07.37 | Saltpeter | Never mind, found it. |
| 02:08.17 | Saltpeter | This was the first Term the tutorial had me use, the instructions weren't clear. x.x |
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| 02:33.43 | Saltpeter | New question, hopefully the last one. |
| 02:33.53 | Saltpeter | The tutoprial is referring to an actor field "Ammo Unit". |
| 02:33.56 | Saltpeter | I can't find it. |
| 02:34.12 | Saltpeter | The actor is of type Missile, and parent is Generic Attack. |
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| 02:38.04 | Bounty | Pew Pew |
| 02:40.46 | Kueken | saltpeter: "Ammo Unit" is a field of a launch missile effect |
| 02:46.41 | Saltpeter | Aha. |
| 02:46.47 | Saltpeter | Thanks. :D |
| 02:47.28 | Saltpeter | Once again, unclear tutorial instructions. x.x |
| 02:47.32 | Saltpeter | But I'm almost done. |
| 02:49.17 | Bounty | Blizzard should compose a soundtrack for me to use in a map so i can make money off of mapping :) |
| 03:05.01 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 03:05.15 | Taintedwisp | Why would you wat to make money off mapping? thats lame. |
| 03:06.03 | Vailreth | i want to but i dont want the marketplace i want to start a company that makes mods with real world advertisments |
| 03:06.38 | Taintedwisp | Cant advertise in starcraft |
| 03:07.20 | Vailreth | wll hm |
| 03:08.00 | Taintedwisp | Whos was it? I think it was Squad TD that was removed for advertising in the loading screen |
| 03:08.04 | Taintedwisp | one of the few map bans |
| 03:08.14 | Taintedwisp | It was banned, then put back up there |
| 03:08.21 | Taintedwisp | After the loading was changed |
| 03:08.51 | Vailreth | what were they advertising? |
| 03:09.40 | Taintedwisp | I forget |
| 03:09.47 | Taintedwisp | and im not sure it was Squad td |
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| 03:10.50 | tordy | yea it was squad td |
| 03:11.38 | Taintedwisp | I thik they were giving credit to another game for sounds or something. |
| 03:13.19 | Bounty | So, i responded to Blizz's email like 15 hours ago |
| 03:13.22 | Bounty | still no response back lol |
| 03:13.25 | Taintedwisp | Its blizz |
| 03:13.29 | Taintedwisp | Expect 5-10 buisness days |
| 03:13.34 | Bounty | haha ikr |
| 03:13.35 | Taintedwisp | Same with any company |
| 03:13.48 | Bounty | maybe i should call? |
| 03:13.53 | Bounty | he left his direct number |
| 03:14.01 | Bounty | watch it transfer me to customer support |
| 03:14.03 | Bounty | lolol |
| 03:17.41 | Vailreth | well im gone |
| 03:17.51 | Taintedwisp | kk cya |
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| 03:29.41 | Saltpeter | Hrm. |
| 03:29.57 | Saltpeter | My tower looks the way I want it to look, but it's not quite behaving the way I want it to look. |
| 03:30.28 | Saltpeter | The tutorial doesn't really have the answer to this one. |
| 03:31.27 | Saltpeter | I want the attacks of each spine to be spread out evenly. They're kinda...machinegunning. |
| 03:37.08 | Saltpeter | Two of the spines freak out and constantly attack the unit dealing no damage, and two of them behave properly and deal damage. |
| 03:37.26 | Saltpeter | Tinkering with the spones' periods and backswings isn't changing anything. D: |
| 03:37.29 | Saltpeter | spines |
| 03:44.54 | Saltpeter | I think I may have found it. |
| 03:45.34 | Saltpeter | Damnit, that wasn't it/. |
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| 03:53.27 | Tolkfan | what a lovely morning and 2 hours of sleep.. not |
| 03:54.06 | Taintedwisp | HAHAAH |
| 03:54.11 | Taintedwisp | Im going to sleep... |
| 03:54.12 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
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| 03:54.16 | Tolkfan | I haz finished cutscene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTsPqWvG5ko |
| 03:54.21 | Taintedwisp | ill get 10 hours though |
| 03:55.06 | Iiris_Frost | It's official! People don't want to help others. |
| 03:55.34 | Taintedwisp | WOW Tolkfan thats really amazing |
| 03:56.36 | Tolkfan | It's certainly better than the first turd of a version... |
| 03:57.04 | Taintedwisp | hahha |
| 03:57.08 | Tolkfan | posted this on reddit, gonna get that karma! :D |
| 03:57.16 | Taintedwisp | lawl... karma.. |
| 03:58.56 | Iiris_Frost | I wish people were willing to help others :( |
| 04:12.53 | tordy | Taintedwisp |
| 04:12.58 | tordy | is a jacksonville jaguars fan |
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| 04:30.13 | ckSynergy | anyone here have experience with transports, namely, flying transports that die over impassible terrain? |
| 04:30.15 | Saltpeter | Soooo, anyone got any ideas on my situation? D: |
| 04:30.21 | ckSynergy | what situation? |
| 04:30.27 | ckSynergy | you help me i help you lol |
| 04:30.28 | Saltpeter | [23:29] <Saltpeter> My tower looks the way I want it to look, but it's not quite behaving the way I want it to look. [23:30] <Saltpeter> The tutorial doesn't really have the answer to this one. [23:31] <Saltpeter> I want the attacks of each spine to be spread out evenly. They're kinda...machinegunning. [23:37] <Saltpeter> Two of the spines freak out and constantly attack the unit dealing no damage, and two of them behave properly |
| 04:30.47 | Saltpeter | [23:37] <Saltpeter> Tinkering with the spones' periods and backswings isn't changing anything. D: |
| 04:31.02 | ckSynergy | what spines? |
| 04:31.06 | ckSynergy | what unit is this |
| 04:31.10 | Saltpeter | Okay, so backstory. |
| 04:31.18 | Saltpeter | Earlier today I started work on a custom unit. |
| 04:31.33 | Saltpeter | A tower for my game that consists of four spinecrawlers arranged in a diamond. |
| 04:31.41 | Kueken | hes talking attached spine crawlers, like uberlisk :) |
| 04:31.46 | Saltpeter | Yeah. |
| 04:31.47 | ckSynergy | gotcha |
| 04:31.59 | ckSynergy | sounds like the actor events are screwball |
| 04:32.10 | Saltpeter | I've been checking and doublechecking those. D: |
| 04:32.20 | ckSynergy | want me to look at your map? |
| 04:32.25 | Kueken | believe me, there is a lot to check :D |
| 04:32.34 | Saltpeter | Sure. How do I show you it? |
| 04:32.44 | ckSynergy | uhhh |
| 04:32.49 | Kueken | dropbox or teamviewer |
| 04:32.49 | ckSynergy | irc or a fileshare or dropbox? |
| 04:33.03 | Saltpeter | I'll dropbox it. |
| 04:33.13 | ckSynergy | Kueken: I've played with the spine crawler. believe me, i know lol |
| 04:33.44 | Kueken | I had a hard time getting tentacles to work without spinecrawlers |
| 04:33.51 | Saltpeter | Do I need to package files or anything like that, or can I just send you the SC2Map file? |
| 04:33.56 | Saltpeter | Never done this before. ;>.> |
| 04:34.02 | ckSynergy | just send the map |
| 04:34.12 | Kueken | if it doesn't use any specific mods, sending the map works |
| 04:34.41 | Kueken | whats your problem with the transports? |
| 04:35.01 | ckSynergy | ok, lets say you take the warp prism and uncheck cargo death |
| 04:35.07 | Kueken | yes |
| 04:35.11 | ckSynergy | if the warp prism dies, iot should unload its cargo right? |
| 04:35.12 | Kueken | and it dies over impassable |
| 04:35.27 | ckSynergy | and yes, if it dies over impassible, its cargo does too |
| 04:35.34 | Kueken | then the usual behavior would be searching for the nearest passable location |
| 04:35.53 | Kueken | didnt the cargo ability have a radius for that? |
| 04:35.55 | ckSynergy | I tried tinkering with the settings but it seems no matter what, they just die instead of getting placed at the nearest passable spot |
| 04:36.07 | ckSynergy | I tried unload range |
| 04:36.09 | ckSynergy | but no go |
| 04:36.25 | Kueken | alright, I think I tried that before, let me see, if I find the map |
| 04:36.40 | Kueken | however, it was like 2 years ago |
| 04:37.17 | ckSynergy | Ill take whatever i can get |
| 04:38.24 | Saltpeter | Installing Dropbox is taking longer than it needs to. e.e |
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| 04:41.04 | helral_mobile | meows |
| 04:41.52 | ckSynergy | hi helral |
| 04:41.52 | Kueken | cannot find it, will make a new one |
| 04:42.07 | Kueken | should only take a minute :) |
| 04:42.11 | ckSynergy | Is it that complicated to fix the death thing? |
| 04:42.38 | helral_mobile | Chicken, you're up early. |
| 04:42.40 | Kueken | no idea anymore |
| 04:42.46 | Kueken | no, I am up late |
| 04:42.54 | helral_mobile | hahaha |
| 04:43.33 | helral_mobile | ok, then I'm up at my normal time |
| 04:44.24 | Saltpeter | Map's in dropbox. |
| 04:44.28 | helral_mobile | cya all later :p |
| 04:44.38 | Saltpeter | o7 |
| 04:45.03 | Iiris_Frost | I wish people were willing to help others :( |
| 04:45.40 | Saltpeter | I'm in the process of receiving help right now. o.o |
| 04:46.30 | ckSynergy | Just ignore him salt |
| 04:47.30 | Saltpeter | ? |
| 04:47.37 | Saltpeter | Has he been doing this for a while now? |
| 04:48.51 | Kueken | who? |
| 04:49.25 | ckSynergy | he always does it |
| 04:49.28 | ckSynergy | Iiris |
| 04:49.29 | Saltpeter | Ah. |
| 04:49.41 | Saltpeter | Honestly, I've been getting way more help than I expected to get. |
| 04:50.28 | Saltpeter | :D It's great. |
| 04:50.40 | ckSynergy | ok, so your north and south actors are bugging |
| 04:50.47 | Kueken | well, ck, at first glance I cannot get it to work as well |
| 04:51.11 | Saltpeter | Yeah. The East and West ones aren't quite doing what I want them to do either. |
| 04:52.12 | Kueken | not even the death effect gets executed on the dying units |
| 04:52.32 | Kueken | or any death graphics or sounds |
| 04:52.39 | Kueken | they are just removed from play |
| 04:52.58 | Kueken | I was hoping to execute a teleport effect before they die |
| 04:53.50 | Kueken | as you say, all the range values seem to have no effect on the unloading on death |
| 04:54.16 | Iiris_Frost | I haven't got any damn help |
| 04:54.21 | ckSynergy | AH HA |
| 04:54.22 | ckSynergy | I found it |
| 04:54.26 | Saltpeter | ??? :D |
| 04:54.32 | ckSynergy | Launch missile |
| 04:54.40 | ckSynergy | you have your north and south towers to launch missile again |
| 04:54.42 | ckSynergy | instead of damage |
| 04:54.46 | Saltpeter | OH snap. |
| 04:54.49 | Iiris_Frost | I need an animator |
| 04:55.19 | Saltpeter | What do I change to fix that? x.x |
| 04:55.38 | A1win | not many people are skilled with animation |
| 04:55.49 | ckSynergy | yea i was trying a teleport too lol |
| 04:56.11 | ckSynergy | one second salt, testing |
| 04:56.14 | Saltpeter | Alright. |
| 04:56.33 | ckSynergy | ok, under effects' |
| 04:56.46 | ckSynergy | look at your quadspine launch missile effect |
| 04:56.53 | Kueken | the death of the cargo units over impassable terrain seems to be hardcoded |
| 04:56.59 | ckSynergy | your north and south are set to launch the missile again instead of damage |
| 04:57.05 | ckSynergy | which is causing the chaingun effect |
| 04:57.38 | ckSynergy | hmmm |
| 04:57.39 | Saltpeter | AHA./ |
| 04:57.51 | Saltpeter | So I set the Impact effect to damage instead of Missile! |
| 04:57.51 | Iiris_Frost | Well, its what I need |
| 04:58.12 | Kueken | sounds about right ;) |
| 04:58.26 | A1win | it's what you want ;o |
| 04:58.34 | Saltpeter | YESSSS. |
| 04:58.39 | ckSynergy | :D |
| 04:58.40 | Saltpeter | Thanks! :D :D |
| 04:58.45 | ckSynergy | Sure thing! :D |
| 04:58.52 | Kueken | so, ck, this would be another suggestion for blizzard probably |
| 04:58.55 | Saltpeter | Now to just set the delays how I want them. |
| 04:59.09 | Kueken | not sure, if there are any workarounds you can try |
| 04:59.19 | Kueken | you can try to simulate the entire cargo system |
| 04:59.36 | Kueken | however, that would probably not be very nice :) |
| 05:00.54 | Iiris_Frost | I need an animator |
| 05:01.10 | Kueken | death effect gets executed properly when transport dies over passable terrain |
| 05:01.12 | Kueken | :/ |
| 05:02.19 | Kueken | also it seems to depend on the precise position of the transport |
| 05:02.38 | Kueken | if that location is passable, all cargo gets dropped properly |
| 05:02.52 | Saltpeter | Hmm, interesting. |
| 05:02.57 | Kueken | if that location is even the very edge of a cliff, all cargo dies instantly |
| 05:03.14 | Saltpeter | So, I tried testing the tower with multiple units on field. After the first kill, the spines get desynced. |
| 05:03.25 | Kueken | even though there would be enough space just an inch from the location |
| 05:03.41 | Kueken | are you using 4 different weapons? |
| 05:03.44 | Saltpeter | Yes. |
| 05:03.53 | Kueken | weapons use a random delay field |
| 05:04.15 | Kueken | if you set both random ranges to 0, there should be no desync |
| 05:04.16 | Saltpeter | It's set to zero on all four weapons. |
| 05:04.29 | ckSynergy | Kueken: submitted |
| 05:05.12 | Saltpeter | I think it may be because the weapon that makes the kill continues through its delay while the other three are switching targets. |
| 05:06.24 | Kueken | if you want them all to be in sync and hit the same target at all times, just compine them into one weapon, which starts a set effect holding all 4 launches |
| 05:06.51 | Saltpeter | I got it. :D |
| 05:06.56 | Saltpeter | I set them to Linked Cooldown. |
| 05:07.07 | ckSynergy | awesome salt |
| 05:07.10 | Kueken | ...or that :D |
| 05:07.29 | Kueken | always multiple solutions to a problem |
| 05:07.38 | Saltpeter | What I really want is for each spine to select its target individually. |
| 05:07.48 | Saltpeter | I don't even have the slightest on how to do that, |
| 05:08.18 | Saltpeter | Or, at least to randomly select a target, then focus it while it's in range. |
| 05:08.23 | ckSynergy | salt: unique targets, or any 4 targets? |
| 05:08.30 | Saltpeter | Any 4. |
| 05:08.39 | ckSynergy | apply a search effect |
| 05:09.02 | Kueken | that will disable the possibility to manually select a target, though |
| 05:09.08 | ckSynergy | ah right |
| 05:09.10 | Kueken | if you don't need that |
| 05:09.11 | ckSynergy | hmmm |
| 05:09.13 | Kueken | its fine |
| 05:09.34 | ckSynergy | I dunno, im distracted by my own project lol |
| 05:09.38 | Kueken | :D |
| 05:09.43 | Saltpeter | I do want that option. specifically, I want the tower to have an ability to switch between random spread targeting mode and focused targeting mode. |
| 05:10.09 | Kueken | there are again multiple solutions for that, but I didn't find one without any disadvantages yet |
| 05:10.15 | Saltpeter | Hm. |
| 05:10.36 | Kueken | search would be the easiest, but you lose manual target option |
| 05:10.55 | ckSynergy | wait |
| 05:11.00 | ckSynergy | what about continous scan? |
| 05:11.17 | ckSynergy | weapon flag |
| 05:11.20 | Kueken | from what I can tell, that has no effect |
| 05:11.37 | Kueken | at least nothing useful for this |
| 05:11.52 | Kueken | the solutions I found so far |
| 05:11.59 | Kueken | search effect |
| 05:12.12 | Kueken | or |
| 05:12.22 | ckSynergy | everything has an effect usually |
| 05:12.36 | Kueken | disable weapon flags to initiate attack and only fire at attack target |
| 05:12.45 | Saltpeter | Could I use a trigger to switch between search effect options? |
| 05:12.53 | Kueken | then set different acquire methods |
| 05:13.04 | Kueken | or |
| 05:13.18 | Kueken | use multiple turrets with overlapping but not matching arcs |
| 05:13.52 | Kueken | you could use data or triggers to switch, yes |
| 05:14.15 | Kueken | also |
| 05:14.19 | Saltpeter | Then that'll work. As is, this is fine for focused targeting. |
| 05:14.25 | Saltpeter | By the way. |
| 05:14.46 | Saltpeter | http://clip2net.com/s/2iyPy What do you think of the look of the tower. I'm especially pleased with the base. The creep tumor makes it look so menacing. :D |
| 05:14.52 | Kueken | did they enable functionality for target sorts for weapns in 1.5 or hots beta? |
| 05:14.59 | Kueken | that would ease up things |
| 05:15.06 | tordy | what's the best way to approach 100+ units with 100+ different abilities? |
| 05:15.23 | ckSynergy | tordy: ? |
| 05:15.24 | Saltpeter | Shave 10 or 20 off of that 100+. :P |
| 05:15.25 | tordy | like is there a way to use triggers to give a unit an ability>? |
| 05:15.29 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 05:15.34 | ckSynergy | tordy: no |
| 05:15.40 | tordy | i really do not want to do all this in data |
| 05:15.41 | ckSynergy | well, actually, maybe |
| 05:15.44 | tordy | :( |
| 05:15.59 | ckSynergy | catalog field value set |
| 05:16.07 | ckSynergy | but... you would have to set a LOT of data |
| 05:16.11 | Kueken | data is all xml, if you have repetitive stuff to add, you could write a script creating the data |
| 05:16.17 | ckSynergy | and even then im not sure it would work |
| 05:16.49 | ckSynergy | oh! oh wait! |
| 05:16.50 | tordy | most importantly can they use it? |
| 05:16.52 | ckSynergy | salt |
| 05:16.56 | Saltpeter | ? |
| 05:17.00 | ckSynergy | under youre weapons |
| 05:17.21 | ckSynergy | under target sorts, add request percentage 1 |
| 05:17.26 | ckSynergy | and in the box add TSRandom |
| 05:17.47 | Kueken | ...thats assuming target sorts actually work now |
| 05:17.54 | ckSynergy | worked last I tried |
| 05:17.57 | Kueken | last time I checked, they had no effect on weapons |
| 05:18.00 | Saltpeter | Is that after every hit or every kill/target loss? |
| 05:18.03 | ckSynergy | dunno if they work on weapons |
| 05:18.06 | ckSynergy | but its worth a shot |
| 05:18.09 | ckSynergy | I was using it in effects |
| 05:18.11 | tordy | now that's what i call |
| 05:18.15 | Kueken | they work for search effects nicely |
| 05:18.30 | Kueken | but never worked for weapons |
| 05:18.42 | Kueken | 1.5 might have changed that |
| 05:18.56 | tordy | actually |
| 05:19.04 | tordy | could probably convert an excel spreadsheet to xml |
| 05:19.14 | Kueken | yes, you probably could |
| 05:19.19 | tordy | use the spreadsheet for storing unit data & convenient balancing when i need to change stuff |
| 05:19.47 | Saltpeter | It's not working. :( |
| 05:19.57 | Kueken | too bad |
| 05:20.03 | tordy | Kueken hold this position |
| 05:20.09 | ckSynergy | well, was worth a shot |
| 05:20.12 | Saltpeter | Yeah. |
| 05:20.14 | Kueken | remind me to ask the Blizzguys |
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| 05:20.28 | Kueken | if the target sorts just dont work at allo |
| 05:20.37 | ckSynergy | hold on salt, let me check something |
| 05:20.43 | Kueken | or if we are supposed to use them differently in weapons |
| 05:20.47 | ckSynergy | I remember a tutorial about this |
| 05:21.08 | Saltpeter | I'll be here as long as it takes. :D |
| 05:21.49 | Kueken | well, remember the baneblade? it uses like 10 different weapons, which fire at different targets |
| 05:22.12 | Kueken | yet still all of them react to a manual order and try to shoot the target |
| 05:22.24 | Kueken | if they can shoot it |
| 05:22.45 | Kueken | that is done with the multiple turrets with different arcs method I mentioned |
| 05:23.04 | Kueken | if all turrets have a 360 arc, they will always focus the same unit |
| 05:23.06 | tordy | target sort used to work didnt it? |
| 05:23.15 | Kueken | it works in search effects |
| 05:23.18 | Saltpeter | Hmm. |
| 05:23.24 | Saltpeter | Linked Cooldown is not a solution to my previous problem. |
| 05:23.42 | Kueken | :) |
| 05:23.58 | Kueken | do they need to attack in sync? |
| 05:24.15 | Kueken | it would probably look better, if they are allowwed individually |
| 05:24.16 | Kueken | imo |
| 05:24.28 | ckSynergy | ok, I think I got it |
| 05:24.29 | Kueken | *to attack individually |
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| 05:25.11 | ckSynergy | now, this is theoretical |
| 05:25.17 | ckSynergy | so it may or may not work |
| 05:25.26 | ckSynergy | but, if you have 1 Ability: Behavior |
| 05:25.27 | Saltpeter | Well, I want it to look like something more than just four spines. The even spread of attacks will make them look like thei're connected in some way. |
| 05:25.29 | hobbidude | ?? |
| 05:25.54 | ckSynergy | ... ok salt |
| 05:26.00 | ckSynergy | paying attention? |
| 05:26.04 | Saltpeter | Yes. |
| 05:26.12 | ckSynergy | ok, 1 Ability: Behavior |
| 05:26.21 | ckSynergy | 1 Effect: Persistant |
| 05:26.25 | ckSynergy | periods: 1 |
| 05:26.33 | ckSynergy | Period duration = weapon cooldown duration |
| 05:26.40 | ckSynergy | 1 Effect: Issue Order |
| 05:26.52 | ckSynergy | 1 Effect: Search |
| 05:27.03 | ckSynergy | search area = weapon range |
| 05:27.08 | ckSynergy | search for enemy targets |
| 05:27.17 | ckSynergy | the issue order is attack |
| 05:27.41 | ckSynergy | so: Ability:Behavior->Effect:Persistant->Search Area->Issue Attack Order |
| 05:28.09 | Kueken | wouldn't it make more sense to scratch the persistent and to issue the order on missile impact? |
| 05:28.22 | Kueken | with a validator to check caster behavior |
| 05:28.41 | ckSynergy | that could work too |
| 05:29.03 | Saltpeter | Hmmm. |
| 05:29.40 | ckSynergy | as long as the search launch was at the caster/unit origin |
| 05:29.43 | ckSynergy | I forget which |
| 05:29.49 | ckSynergy | but I think source applies it to the missile |
| 05:29.57 | ckSynergy | which wouldnt be ideal |
| 05:29.59 | hobbidude | kan i patz my kitty? |
| 05:30.23 | Kueken | you can execute it at the caster for sure |
| 05:30.24 | ckSynergy | so, I like that idea KUeken |
| 05:30.32 | ckSynergy | yea |
| 05:31.31 | Kueken | however, we might get problems with the tentacle sync and their possibility to attack different targets then |
| 05:31.56 | Kueken | because we need to maintain 4 different weapons for all of them to still be targetable |
| 05:32.15 | Saltpeter | Sounds like this is more complicated than it looks. x.x |
| 05:32.16 | Kueken | and if they get out of sync even without any random delay set |
| 05:32.23 | Saltpeter | I'm having a hard time following you guys now. |
| 05:32.28 | Kueken | that could be problematic |
| 05:32.39 | ckSynergy | if theyre attacking different targets, they wont be in sync |
| 05:32.39 | Kueken | sorry, just brainstorming :) |
| 05:32.43 | Saltpeter | It's fine. :3 |
| 05:32.49 | Kueken | timing-wise |
| 05:32.52 | Kueken | I mean |
| 05:32.58 | ckSynergy | right |
| 05:33.03 | ckSynergy | they wont be using the impact method |
| 05:33.27 | Kueken | in theory, travel time of the missile shouldn't affect weapon period at all, or does it? |
| 05:33.28 | ckSynergy | actually, im not sure of a method that would keep them in sync and split targets |
| 05:33.41 | Kueken | so i wonder, why the yeven desync |
| 05:33.44 | ckSynergy | it doesnt |
| 05:33.57 | ckSynergy | weapon period is seperate |
| 05:34.02 | Saltpeter | They don't desync if linked cooldown is on. |
| 05:34.13 | Saltpeter | But then there's a long delay after the kill, and I don't want that. |
| 05:34.55 | Kueken | wouldn't linked cooldown prevent all but 1 weapon from firing? |
| 05:35.11 | Kueken | if all of them are linked |
| 05:35.24 | ckSynergy | no |
| 05:36.08 | Kueken | then I misunderstood the concept of the linked cooldown :D |
| 05:36.15 | ckSynergy | I think it means once all the weapons have fired, they have to all wait to finish their periods |
| 05:36.22 | Saltpeter | Yeah. |
| 05:36.26 | ckSynergy | I think on weapons its different |
| 05:36.28 | ckSynergy | ;) |
| 05:36.30 | Saltpeter | Including if it's a kill. |
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| 05:36.57 | Saltpeter | And with marauders, the north tower, first in the sequence, makes the kill, causing avery noticeable gap between that strike and the first strike of the next target. |
| 05:37.02 | Kueken | then set their periods to 0, except for one |
| 05:37.18 | Saltpeter | I imagine you could just have a trigger detect when the tower makes a kill, resetting the cooldown? |
| 05:37.39 | ckSynergy | Try what Kueken juzt said |
| 05:37.49 | ckSynergy | typos galore tonight -.- |
| 05:37.52 | Kueken | I am not even sure, if you can reset weapon cooldown via trigger |
| 05:38.19 | Saltpeter | I'll try it, but I have a guess as to how it may go wrong. ;>.> brb. |
| 05:39.01 | Saltpeter | Yep. |
| 05:39.11 | Saltpeter | The period of each weapon dictates its individual rate of fire. |
| 05:39.21 | Saltpeter | Setting it to zerp makes them supah-fast murderers. |
| 05:39.24 | Saltpeter | zero |
| 05:39.50 | Kueken | then I still dont understand the linked cooldown :D |
| 05:39.54 | ckSynergy | one second |
| 05:39.55 | Saltpeter | What I do to create the sync in the first place is have them all set to the same period. |
| 05:40.06 | Saltpeter | And the damage points are spread out at intervals of period/4. |
| 05:40.11 | ckSynergy | I understand it, I just got to find the right field |
| 05:40.17 | Kueken | oh |
| 05:40.32 | Kueken | so you dont want them to attack simultaneously |
| 05:40.35 | Saltpeter | No. |
| 05:40.45 | ckSynergy | Stats - Backswing |
| 05:40.45 | ckSynergy | The cooldown before another weapon can fire |
| 05:40.51 | Kueken | damage point gets added to the period |
| 05:40.56 | Kueken | afaik |
| 05:41.04 | Kueken | I tried that before |
| 05:41.10 | Saltpeter | The backswing on all the weapons is currently zero. |
| 05:41.15 | hobbidude | changing cooldown via triggers is possible |
| 05:41.25 | Kueken | yes, ability cooldowns |
| 05:41.32 | Kueken | but weapon cooldowns as well? |
| 05:41.34 | hobbidude | i have a map where an ability has 3 different cooldown depending on the use of the ability |
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| 05:42.11 | Kueken | anyway, Saltpeter, add persistent effects to delay the launch of 3 missiles |
| 05:42.24 | Kueken | by 25, 50 and 75% of the period |
| 05:42.41 | ckSynergy | salt: dropbox me your current build |
| 05:42.43 | A1win | oops made my map too easy in last patch, hopefully no one realizes it before I update it again :> |
| 05:43.08 | Kueken | happens ;) |
| 05:43.24 | Saltpeter | Done. |
| 05:43.50 | hobbidude | At least your catching it in the next patch and not after a couple like blizzard |
| 05:43.58 | hobbidude | opps |
| 05:44.01 | hobbidude | was that out loud |
| 05:44.27 | Kueken | dont worry, its not like blizzard is monitoring this channel or something :D |
| 05:44.53 | Saltpeter | x.x I don't know how to add persistent effects, or to what I'm supposed to add them. |
| 05:44.55 | Kueken | right artestru, deletarius, you didn't hear anything! |
| 05:45.11 | hobbidude | lol |
| 05:45.17 | hobbidude | sleeping giant |
| 05:45.25 | Saltpeter | I created an ability as ck said, but then I didn't see anything about persistent. |
| 05:45.39 | ckSynergy | persistant effect |
| 05:45.49 | Kueken | btw |
| 05:45.56 | Kueken | is it persistent or persistant? |
| 05:46.02 | Kueken | always confusing that one |
| 05:46.10 | A1win | I added a refinery that's "just 20% more gas", but didn't realize that the benefit is exponential because when you have more gas, you get stuff faster, and end up using less gas |
| 05:46.11 | Saltpeter | persistent |
| 05:46.37 | ckSynergy | hold on though |
| 05:46.44 | ckSynergy | tent |
| 05:46.55 | Kueken | apparently persistant is french :D |
| 05:47.11 | Saltpeter | Do I make an effect called "Persistent"...? |
| 05:47.21 | Saltpeter | That doesn't seem right. |
| 05:47.31 | Kueken | effect of type "Create Persistent" |
| 05:47.42 | Kueken | but hold on, that method has some issues.. |
| 05:48.56 | Kueken | I tried a similar thing before, where 2 weapons should fire at the same period, but with an offset |
| 05:49.24 | Kueken | iirc it was not possible by using the weapon fields alone and I ended up adding a persistent |
| 05:49.48 | Kueken | but it bugged when for example the unit was killed in the delay |
| 05:50.22 | Kueken | then the following weapons would malfunction because they already fired on a now-dead target and fail to launch the missile |
| 05:50.50 | Kueken | but again, that was a long time ago |
| 05:51.27 | Saltpeter | Sounds like my exact problem. D: |
| 05:52.52 | Kueken | with the persistent, they were always perfectly synced, but would not fire from time to time, if the previous target died |
| 05:53.17 | Saltpeter | That sounds like the way it is for my tower right now, with linked cooldowns. |
| 05:53.45 | Kueken | I used a workaround with a marker behavior, a search effect and target sorts to circumvent that, which would make the weapon uncontrollable but working in this situation |
| 05:54.20 | Saltpeter | I would rather sacrifice the tower's ability to focus targets or be manually commanded to attack than sacrifice the sync., |
| 05:54.21 | Kueken | uncontrollable only in this specific situation, that is |
| 05:55.51 | Kueken | if you don't need manual control at all, you could do persistent -> 4 search in intervals with TSRandom, which then launch the missiles |
| 05:56.02 | Kueken | that would be impossible to desync |
| 05:56.23 | Saltpeter | I don't understand this notation. |
| 05:57.08 | Kueken | okay, you are not that familiar, what all the effect types can do, and how you can chain them, right? |
| 05:57.23 | Saltpeter | Right. |
| 05:58.05 | ckSynergy | hmmm |
| 05:58.40 | Kueken | the basic effects I would use are a persistent effect, which is mainly used to start other effects with a delay or in timed intervals, a search effect, which can search for nearby units by certain parameters and execute other effects on them |
| 05:58.59 | Kueken | launch missile effect, which is used for your spines |
| 05:59.21 | Kueken | I would link them together, so you have one single weapon |
| 05:59.31 | Kueken | this weapon starts a persistent effect |
| 06:00.02 | Kueken | this persistent starts 4 search effects at 1/4 weapon period intervals |
| 06:00.30 | Kueken | the search effects search for one random enemy unit within your desired range each |
| 06:00.34 | Saltpeter | So I need to create the persistent, then 4 searches, then link the searches to the persistent? |
| 06:00.38 | Kueken | and execute the launch missile effect |
| 06:00.42 | ckSynergy | salt |
| 06:00.47 | Kueken | yes |
| 06:00.55 | ckSynergy | you got them to attack seperate targets at one point right? |
| 06:00.59 | Saltpeter | No. |
| 06:01.02 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 06:01.40 | ckSynergy | and you want them in sync, or no |
| 06:02.02 | Saltpeter | Yes. One spine attacks every period/4 seconds. |
| 06:02.09 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 06:02.28 | Kueken | keep in mind, this is just one way to handle the problem. It has the advantage to maintain the sync at all times and attack separate targets for the spines, but it has the disadvantage of completely losing the ability to manually focus a target |
| 06:02.53 | Saltpeter | I don't mind losing that ability in this case. |
| 06:03.00 | Kueken | alright then |
| 06:03.10 | Saltpeter | It's a basic to mid level tower in my mind. >.> <.< |
| 06:03.19 | Saltpeter | Something simple and weak, but flashy. |
| 06:04.35 | Kueken | so the chain would be something like weapon -> persistent -> search 1-4 -> launch missile 1-4 (each search links to a specific launch) |
| 06:05.13 | Saltpeter | Gotcha. When you say weapon, do you mean the entire tower, or each spine weapon? |
| 06:05.31 | Kueken | you would compress the 4 weapons into one |
| 06:05.36 | Saltpeter | Alright. |
| 06:10.21 | Saltpeter | Does this also mean I compress all the damage effects into one? |
| 06:11.09 | Saltpeter | Sure why not. |
| 06:11.53 | Kueken | should be no harm in doing that |
| 06:12.06 | Kueken | you could have done that before as well, though ;) |
| 06:12.59 | Saltpeter | Yeah. |
| 06:13.00 | ckSynergy | hmmm I wonder... |
| 06:13.05 | Saltpeter | I was just following the tutorial for that one. |
| 06:18.22 | Kueken | alright |
| 06:18.26 | Kueken | need to sleep |
| 06:18.41 | Kueken | good luck ;) |
| 06:18.45 | Saltpeter | Thanks for the help. :D |
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| 06:19.31 | ckSynergy | oh! doy! |
| 06:19.41 | ckSynergy | lol I got it |
| 06:19.44 | ckSynergy | hold on |
| 06:19.49 | ckSynergy | well, I think I got it |
| 06:20.43 | ckSynergy | what order should they fire in? |
| 06:20.57 | Saltpeter | North, East, South, West, repeat. |
| 06:21.01 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 06:24.46 | ckSynergy | salt you there? |
| 06:25.03 | Saltpeter | Yeah,. |
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| 06:26.46 | ckSynergy | ok, Im building this to test |
| 06:26.58 | ckSynergy | my computer isnt the fastest tho, so itll take me maybe 5-10 |
| 06:27.02 | ckSynergy | will u be here that long? |
| 06:27.15 | Saltpeter | Minutes? Sure. |
| 06:28.40 | ckSynergy | no, 5-10 hours lol |
| 06:28.50 | Saltpeter | Nope, it's 2:30 AM here./ |
| 06:29.26 | Saltpeter | I'm trying to follow Kue's directions, but my tower isn't attacking now. |
| 06:30.53 | ckSynergy | cant say much about that |
| 06:31.00 | ckSynergy | working on a different method |
| 06:31.07 | Saltpeter | Alright. |
| 06:31.37 | Saltpeter | I need to venture backwards. >_O This isn't working. |
| 06:32.54 | Saltpeter | Whew, okay, status quo antebellum. |
| 06:34.37 | ckSynergy | derp what? |
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| 06:34.47 | ckSynergy | hold on i think this method will work |
| 06:34.55 | ckSynergy | and its easier to make weapon modifications if it works |
| 06:35.01 | Saltpeter | I undid Kueken's instructions. |
| 06:35.18 | Saltpeter | Relinked the cooldowns. |
| 06:35.27 | Saltpeter | So at least the weapon APPEARS to be doing something correct. |
| 06:39.05 | ckSynergy | almost done |
| 06:48.32 | ckSynergy | testing |
| 06:50.22 | ckSynergy | almost |
| 06:53.35 | ckSynergy | few tweaks |
| 06:54.49 | ckSynergy | how much time do you have anyway? |
| 06:55.16 | Saltpeter | Not much. |
| 06:55.29 | Saltpeter | I'm nearing the dozing off point. |
| 06:55.41 | Saltpeter | I'll be here tomorrow, though. |
| 06:55.54 | Saltpeter | I promise the rest of my towers won't be this problematic. ;>.> |
| 06:56.06 | ckSynergy | lol yea |
| 06:56.15 | ckSynergy | well can you spare a few more minutes? |
| 06:56.18 | Saltpeter | The hard part is making them interesting. |
| 06:56.19 | Saltpeter | Yeah. |
| 06:59.51 | ckSynergy | so close |
| 07:01.32 | ckSynergy | hard to tell since you dont have a trigger to center on the area |
| 07:03.47 | ckSynergy | uhhh |
| 07:03.51 | ckSynergy | what player do you start as |
| 07:04.39 | A1win | mmh... wonder why these units just disappear when they die in fog of war even though they have death reveal |
| 07:05.29 | A1win | tried with both vision and snapshot types |
| 07:05.59 | A1win | oh, needed radius of 1, 0.5 wasn't enough ;p |
| 07:06.14 | ckSynergy | there she is |
| 07:06.37 | A1win | err... except that they still sometimes disappear x.X |
| 07:06.42 | A1win | maybe it needs to be even larger... |
| 07:07.25 | Saltpeter | Erp. |
| 07:07.29 | Saltpeter | You start as player 1. |
| 07:07.55 | A1win | err... now it's 2 and they still disappear |
| 07:07.59 | A1win | seems to be random O_o |
| 07:08.23 | ckSynergy | target filters will get you ever time |
| 07:08.48 | A1win | the only reason they were visible was because this structure was giving vision... duh |
| 07:09.54 | Saltpeter | Any luck with the targeting, ck? I really need to go to sleep soon. x.x |
| 07:11.57 | ckSynergy | BINGO |
| 07:12.30 | ckSynergy | now to just change the period andddd |
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| 07:12.54 | ckSynergy | voila |
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| 07:13.34 | ckSynergy | it workkkssss |
| 07:13.39 | Saltpeter | :o ??? |
| 07:13.46 | Saltpeter | What did you do? |
| 07:14.18 | ckSynergy | I basically individualized the spines |
| 07:15.53 | ckSynergy | oh. my. god |
| 07:16.07 | ckSynergy | this month has been the month of the password change terrors |
| 07:16.28 | ckSynergy | are you on irc? |
| 07:16.44 | Saltpeter | Explain. x.x |
| 07:16.51 | Saltpeter | ? |
| 07:17.38 | ckSynergy | https://www.dropbox.com/s/oxnh0s44y2oa77c/gridtd.SC2Map |
| 07:17.46 | ckSynergy | nevermind. theres your link |
| 07:18.03 | ckSynergy | Now all you have to do is add a behavior to your unit to change the target every 0.5 seconds |
| 07:18.31 | Saltpeter | .5, eh? |
| 07:18.37 | ckSynergy | well, 2/4 |
| 07:18.48 | ckSynergy | sorry, i simplified the #'s during testing |
| 07:18.51 | ckSynergy | 1.84/4 |
| 07:18.56 | Saltpeter | That's fine, I can change those, |
| 07:19.33 | Saltpeter | Yikes...these changes seem extensive. |
| 07:19.40 | ckSynergy | lol a little |
| 07:19.44 | Saltpeter | Think you could paraphrase them for me tomorrow? |
| 07:19.50 | ckSynergy | I can paraphrase now |
| 07:19.56 | Saltpeter | Too sleepy to remember. |
| 07:19.59 | ckSynergy | the weapons call a set, which launches the missile, as normal |
| 07:20.13 | ckSynergy | the set, also has an effect which applys a behavior that enables the next weapon |
| 07:20.14 | Saltpeter | I'm just gonna try this out to see it in action. |
| 07:20.29 | Saltpeter | Ahh. |
| 07:21.01 | ckSynergy | ? |
| 07:21.03 | ckSynergy | you like? |
| 07:21.03 | Saltpeter | Ooooooh. |
| 07:21.17 | Saltpeter | Yes, the sync is great, and the delay is fine. |
| 07:21.21 | ckSynergy | I want to make the behavior for it, if you want to be sleep exhausted? |
| 07:21.28 | ckSynergy | :D |
| 07:21.50 | ckSynergy | i.e. if you wait ill add the randomizer |
| 07:21.53 | Saltpeter | Well, if you decide to tinker with it more, be my guest. ;>.> But you'll have to show me after I wake up. |
| 07:22.00 | ckSynergy | awwwww |
| 07:22.01 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 07:22.02 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 07:22.10 | Saltpeter | I'll definitely want to learn how to randomize it. |
| 07:22.17 | Saltpeter | I imagine with your changes you can do that easily. |
| 07:22.25 | Saltpeter | At least, it'd be plausible. |
| 07:22.51 | Saltpeter | Well, you've been an enormous help. ^_^ Thanks! And goodnight. |
| 07:23.44 | ckSynergy | goodnight :D |
| 07:23.54 | ckSynergy | and yea |
| 07:23.58 | ckSynergy | randomizing is easy now |
| 07:24.10 | ckSynergy | will take me 5 minutes |
| 07:24.14 | Saltpeter | Ooh. |
| 07:24.22 | Saltpeter | If it's only gonna be 5 minutes, then go for it., I'll stay. |
| 07:24.41 | Saltpeter | The pursuit of knowledge is more important than meeting my body's basic needs! |
| 07:26.17 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 07:29.31 | ckSynergy | and that should about do it |
| 07:30.51 | ckSynergy | testing |
| 07:33.04 | ckSynergy | blah |
| 07:33.17 | Saltpeter | D: |
| 07:34.00 | ckSynergy | the core is there |
| 07:34.01 | ckSynergy | ... |
| 07:34.03 | ckSynergy | go on go to bed |
| 07:34.07 | ckSynergy | ill play with this some more |
| 07:34.08 | Saltpeter | Heh. Alright. |
| 07:34.12 | ckSynergy | just gotta find out whats going wrong |
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| 07:34.15 | Saltpeter | Thanks for all the help. :D |
| 07:35.30 | ckSynergy | yea no problem |
| 07:35.34 | ckSynergy | wait 1 second thou |
| 07:35.36 | ckSynergy | one last test |
| 07:35.40 | Saltpeter | Okay. |
| 07:35.49 | ckSynergy | nope |
| 07:35.50 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 07:35.51 | ckSynergy | goodnight |
| 07:35.52 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 07:35.52 | Saltpeter | Heh. |
| 07:35.53 | Saltpeter | o7 |
| 07:43.07 | A1win | err... I have a Build ability that has maintain worked disabled, but if I right click the building with the worker, it starts to "build" it even though it'd build itself just fine |
| 07:43.30 | A1win | how can I disable that D: |
| 07:47.21 | A1win | oh it had interruptible flag on, maybe that did it... |
| 07:56.19 | A1win | yeah that was it |
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| 08:30.52 | ckSynergy | freakin sweet |
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| 09:15.52 | ckSynergy | hey bommes |
| 09:16.07 | ckSynergy | if you see salt, let him know his quadspine is done |
| 09:36.46 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Effects / Iterate Transport - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/effects/iterate-transport/ |
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| 10:07.02 | zenxi | morning mapsters |
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| 13:42.07 | Ahli | yay, I halved the time required to build my cave dungeons. :) approx wait time ingame: 1 minute |
| 13:44.49 | Bommes | cave dungeons are the second dungeon area of diablo 1? |
| 13:45.31 | Repo | New announcement: Power Grab - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/power-grab/ |
| 13:46.07 | Ahli | third one. but from the second dungeon level there can exist an entrance to a quest related cave dungeon |
| 13:52.11 | Ahli | I've reduced it by 1 million calls of "wallPositionIsType". I've used a big int array instead of units on the map for my scrambling. I only require the units for the pathingtest (which I can't efficiently code I think ^^). |
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| 14:00.22 | zenxu | I wonder if trigger validation is faster if you disable some triggers that are already tested? |
| 14:00.30 | zenxu | like enable them just when you need em |
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| 14:10.12 | Bommes | Ahli: I meant the second type of dungeon area |
| 14:10.30 | Bommes | There was the catacomb/cathedral type at the beginning |
| 14:10.31 | Bommes | the cave one |
| 14:10.32 | Bommes | and hell |
| 14:10.33 | Bommes | right? |
| 14:10.38 | Bommes | or was there another one? |
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| 14:16.21 | ducky | cathedral->catacombs->Caves->Hell |
| 14:16.32 | ducky | at least that's how I remember it |
| 14:16.51 | ducky | btw ahli, how many levels are available by now? |
| 14:17.36 | ducky | last time I played game ended at lvl 4. I think I'm gonna play it again when caves are done |
| 14:18.01 | ducky | caves and those lava lakes were awesome, and so was the anvil of fury :D |
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| 14:22.26 | Ahli | atm 8 levels and 1 quest area per game. I''m working on the next 4 levels |
| 14:22.39 | Ahli | actually I'm trying to get lava rivers into it |
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| 14:23.31 | FockeWulf | Ahli what kind of map are you making? |
| 14:23.39 | Ahli | but I need to try to refine it more. I would like to have the lave not exceed the 1x1 fields. |
| 14:23.45 | Ahli | diablo 1 map |
| 14:24.25 | FockeWulf | ah ok |
| 14:27.13 | Ahli | so I'm creating random dungeons. :) |
| 14:27.51 | ducky | awesome, take your time refining it. It's gonna be so good when it's completed =) |
| 14:29.02 | Ahli | But I need to cut the map into 2 maps: cathedral to caves and catacombs to hell. I can't put everything into 1 :S |
| 14:29.21 | FockeWulf | not even using scaling? |
| 14:29.22 | FockeWulf | lol |
| 14:29.32 | Ahli | footprints don't scale |
| 14:29.41 | Ahli | vision blocking doesn't scale |
| 14:29.56 | Ahli | pathing costs don't scale |
| 14:30.19 | FockeWulf | I'm familiar with all but the last |
| 14:30.21 | FockeWulf | whats that? |
| 14:30.22 | Ahli | camera zoom eats up map space around the corners |
| 14:30.57 | Ahli | you can calculate the pathing cost between 2 points for a unit in data or triggers |
| 14:31.17 | Ahli | it's measured in integers :S |
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| 14:31.56 | FockeWulf | ooch |
| 14:34.13 | ducky | well, on the positive note that meant that map initalizaton time wil be lower due not needing to generate those levels =D |
| 14:37.12 | Ahli | cathedral dungeon is the fastest one to generate ;S |
| 14:38.52 | Ahli | for caves, I throw approx 3 dungeons away per level because they weren't connected. |
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| 14:49.15 | Ahli | zergs new counter to drops: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=73R3pFCWtEA#! |
| 14:49.25 | zenxu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpImijk1cB0&feature=player_embedded |
| 14:49.28 | zenxu | that sure is interesting |
| 14:49.37 | zenxu | allthou dunno if its actually that cool worth using |
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| 14:50.50 | zenxu | hah |
| 14:50.54 | zenxu | they jump high enough |
| 15:06.41 | Blizz-Artestru | Morning |
| 15:06.50 | Vailreth | morning |
| 15:07.04 | TheSkunk__ | Morning Art |
| 15:07.09 | Exaken | Evening |
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| 15:11.27 | Kueken | oi |
| 15:11.37 | Almaity | Morning |
| 15:11.51 | FockeWulf | Good morning. |
| 15:11.53 | ducky | it's not morning for you almaity -.- |
| 15:11.58 | FockeWulf | Hay Art, a question is I may. |
| 15:12.03 | Almaity | It's always morning. |
| 15:12.10 | FockeWulf | Any idea if you can link the actors tab to the cutscene editor? |
| 15:12.28 | FockeWulf | It would be really nice not to have to start games over and over just to see what a single change in the actors tab did. |
| 15:12.37 | ducky | I see, well in that case it makes perfect sense |
| 15:12.57 | ducky | map nights died cause permament morning took over :/ |
| 15:12.57 | Almaity | I think I once asked him about allowing actor messages in the CSE, and he said those were somewhat problematic |
| 15:13.01 | Almaity | D: |
| 15:13.14 | Almaity | I got bored of playing the same maps over and over again >.> |
| 15:13.31 | ducky | I miss bratzos war pigs :/ |
| 15:13.40 | Almaity | That was one of the fun maps |
| 15:14.05 | zenxu | I would rank it as semi fun |
| 15:14.13 | zenxu | pretty much as fun as bounty hunters |
| 15:14.23 | zenxu | with few more options I guess |
| 15:14.43 | zenxu | there are good maps |
| 15:14.48 | zenxu | like retarded strikers |
| 15:14.50 | ducky | and trying out fresh/raw wierd stuff is also kind of nice, cause I wouldn't try it otherway :D |
| 15:14.52 | zenxu | but you refuse to play em |
| 15:15.11 | Almaity | we had runecraft, which I obviously liked, then Bomberbot, which I sucked so bad at that it wasnt particularly fun for me (Great map though), dont like star strikers, photon cycles always lasts too long... what else did we play? |
| 15:15.34 | ducky | reds'n'blues! :D |
| 15:15.41 | Almaity | that was fun |
| 15:15.44 | Almaity | but not played often |
| 15:15.47 | ducky | constant wierd stuff from zolden |
| 15:15.54 | ducky | it was played on every map night |
| 15:15.56 | zenxu | Im only one who realized it wasnt balnced? |
| 15:16.07 | ducky | when creator guy was present anyway |
| 15:16.25 | Almaity | yea, but when Im there its played like once or twice, which takes some 20ish mins or so |
| 15:17.29 | Blizz-Artestru | Fockewulf: That's something we're actively discussing and really want to do. |
| 15:17.48 | Blizz-Artestru | But, yeah, actor messages on the timeline are problematic. |
| 15:17.54 | Blizz-Artestru | We'll see what we can come up with. |
| 15:18.22 | Ahli | Blizz-Artestru, hots zerg got a new counter to drops?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=73R3pFCWtEA#! (burrowed charge damages/kills units in transports) |
| 15:18.27 | ducky | there is also fates warhammer, which I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate cause it's a teamplay(hate), startegy/melee(hate) and I suck at it badly. But it has an awesome aestetics, which I was grateful to see |
| 15:18.51 | zenxu | I stil lthink it was horribly imbalanced |
| 15:18.53 | zenxu | fates map |
| 15:19.05 | zenxu | like what counters what and what wahat |
| 15:19.07 | zenxu | all just what waht what |
| 15:19.11 | ducky | only fate knows that :D |
| 15:19.13 | Ahli | I like warhammer. I dominated in that map >_> |
| 15:19.38 | Ahli | but now I need an answer to those melee cyborg cats |
| 15:19.41 | ducky | I suppose that what I really miss is vorced variety on the games I played. Can't force myself to play random maps in pubs |
| 15:19.46 | zenxu | I just remember that you couldnt get income cause bitches stole my income |
| 15:20.07 | ducky | oh and one more thing. I absolutely loved those few games of pictionary we had xD |
| 15:20.26 | Almaity | yay, actor problems >.> |
| 15:20.35 | FockeWulf | Well on the plus side we got that magazine issue resolved. |
| 15:20.38 | Almaity | got 2 identical attacks, only difference is names and tint color. |
| 15:20.45 | FockeWulf | Now I just got to wait for HotS Beta >.< |
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| 15:21.02 | Almaity | 3 (or 5, 2 are hidden) of the models appear ridiculously late for some reason for one of the attacks |
| 15:21.32 | Almaity | they play 2/3rds of their animation before they even show up |
| 15:21.55 | ducky | actors are always so much fun =D |
| 15:22.03 | Blizz-Artestru | Ahli: That's pretty funny. |
| 15:23.20 | Ahli | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16237323 that guy has a fun addon, too. |
| 15:24.08 | Almaity | fixed my issue >.> they were too identical. Both sets of models fired off the same effect, the one that appeared last... |
| 15:24.20 | FockeWulf | Hey Art is it possible to make it so the game treats model attachments and the host model as one model? Possibly by adding a bone? |
| 15:24.23 | Almaity | this is why I hate attacks that require over 10 actors |
| 15:25.04 | FockeWulf | Because I notice a big performance improvement if I do the combining in 3dmax and link the one structure, even though its the same objects etc. |
| 15:25.21 | FockeWulf | the bone structure* |
| 15:25.59 | FockeWulf | Also would it be possible to have multiple Ref_TurretZ attachments? I did some testing and found out I could only use one :( |
| 15:26.51 | FockeWulf | That means stuff like ships with independent weapons have to use model attachments so it will individually rotate the attachment's turretZ. |
| 15:27.33 | FockeWulf | I'm wondering if it could just be arrayed like most of the others. It appears to be just a special bone for the most part so I can't see why not. |
| 15:27.51 | FockeWulf | And that way I wouldn't have to worry about actor lag >.< |
| 15:29.12 | FockeWulf | Also would it be possible to have your artists make some basic geometry for HotS? |
| 15:29.30 | FockeWulf | Like metal disks and rods etc. |
| 15:29.37 | FockeWulf | Metal blocks |
| 15:30.23 | FockeWulf | If SC2 starts getting more Data editors more and more people are going to want to make hybrids and the current model selection has a rather limited selection of suitable models for that. |
| 15:30.55 | Vailreth | Hopefully art tools will aid with that |
| 15:31.05 | FockeWulf | What artists? |
| 15:32.03 | FockeWulf | Like most things in this mess it would have been a lot better if the art tools had come sooner. |
| 15:32.10 | FockeWulf | Less modders would have moved on. |
| 15:32.19 | Vailreth | agreed |
| 15:32.49 | FockeWulf | We've got some coming over from WC3 but WC3 modeling and SC2 modeling are not nearly the same animal. |
| 15:33.03 | Vailreth | very true |
| 15:33.14 | FockeWulf | Did you read the thread they made about that over on hive? |
| 15:33.25 | Vailreth | no |
| 15:33.39 | FockeWulf | You should. |
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| 15:34.07 | FockeWulf | Its the most easily tapped supply of the remaining modders and they don't exactly approve of the increased complexity. |
| 15:34.43 | FockeWulf | Especially since the 3rd party tools don't exactly export the right shader settings for some reason. |
| 15:35.08 | FockeWulf | Metallic textures in general are a major pain. They look great in 3dmax but when it hits SC2 it looks completely wrong. |
| 15:36.23 | Vailreth | if hots dosent bring an influx of new modders i dont think the mod communit is going to really last til the third instalment |
| 15:36.48 | Almaity | who needs a modding community when you have desert strike? |
| 15:37.53 | FockeWulf | IDK. All I know is I made my own version of the WWZ map that I've been snubbing on the backburner has made more than a few hardcore fans >.> |
| 15:38.04 | FockeWulf | Took a little over 2 days for it to rise to page 1. |
| 15:38.16 | FockeWulf | After I made it public. |
| 15:38.26 | FockeWulf | And it has "Beta" in its name and I sure wasn't ready for it lol. |
| 15:38.53 | FockeWulf | And the other WWZ map died in about 3 days. Its way back on the list now. |
| 15:40.08 | Almaity | the drop down lists in the editor seriously have to be optimized... |
| 15:41.14 | Vailreth | how so? |
| 15:41.31 | Almaity | have you ever tried to duplicate an attack with 12 actors and renamed all the actors? |
| 15:41.39 | Almaity | you spend more time waiting for the window to load than typing |
| 15:41.55 | Almaity | same goes for every field with a drop down, they take very long to load |
| 15:42.04 | Almaity | especially when its an actor drop down |
| 15:42.18 | Almaity | the "Create" message in events+ locks up your editor for 5s as soon as its selected |
| 15:43.09 | Vailreth | i havent noticed any overly long waits for most dropdowns |
| 15:43.34 | Vailreth | the creat thing is spot on though |
| 15:43.56 | Almaity | most drop downs dont take as long to load as the actor ones |
| 15:44.02 | Almaity | but it still gets annoying >.> |
| 15:44.41 | Bommes | @Almaity Welcome to my world |
| 15:44.49 | Bommes | Duplicating attacks like that is pretty much all I'm doing |
| 15:44.58 | Bommes | and all of them minimum of like 6 actors or more :( |
| 15:45.12 | Almaity | same here... |
| 15:45.16 | FockeWulf | eh you should try Hybrid units sometime. |
| 15:45.36 | FockeWulf | I'm at a bare 30 units in my ww2 diplo remake and I'm already over 100 actors. |
| 15:45.51 | Tolkfan | oh Germany and your silly copyright laws... Does every youtube video with copyrighted music in it get blocked? :S |
| 15:45.53 | FockeWulf | And thats after applying custom models to reduce actor count >.> |
| 15:46.26 | FockeWulf | Oh Albania and your need of banning the word "Reich" when not even the Polish or French are sore about it... |
| 15:46.28 | Bommes | @tolkfan depends which company it is published by |
| 15:47.07 | Ahli | Tolkfan, not everyone. If it is new and not popular, it might be accessible longer. But in general everything with music is blocked. |
| 15:47.17 | FockeWulf | And I don't understand why "Reich" being banned in Albania has to affect the US localization... |
| 15:47.17 | Tolkfan | well, the armageddon soundtrack seems to be published by tht company ;P |
| 15:47.37 | Almaity | I have 517 actors in my map :p |
| 15:47.48 | FockeWulf | That your highest amount? |
| 15:48.00 | Almaity | dunno. The other maps I made arent that big |
| 15:48.14 | FockeWulf | WW2 Diplo at one point had 633. |
| 15:48.15 | Almaity | those 517 actors are for roughly 40 units and 103 attacks |
| 15:48.30 | Ahli | how do you get the actor amount? |
| 15:48.36 | Almaity | overview manager |
| 15:48.42 | FockeWulf | Map status |
| 15:48.48 | FockeWulf | Map >> Map status |
| 15:49.17 | Almaity | there it says 445 |
| 15:49.27 | Bommes | @FockeWulf I have 45 units and over 500 actors :( |
| 15:49.44 | Almaity | Im nowhere near done with mine, lol |
| 15:49.49 | Almaity | want to have 150+ attacks |
| 15:49.53 | Almaity | and 100+ units |
| 15:49.54 | Ahli | 350 actors, 178 units |
| 15:49.58 | Bommes | and out of these 45 units |
| 15:50.00 | Bommes | about 40 are missiles |
| 15:50.02 | Bommes | lol |
| 15:50.14 | Almaity | I never count missiles as units, lol... |
| 15:50.31 | Bommes | well I need to create a unit for the ammo unit |
| 15:50.31 | Almaity | in that case, I have 107 units counting missiles |
| 15:51.19 | Almaity | 422 effects, 126 behaviors |
| 15:52.06 | FockeWulf | Ya WW2 Diplo at one point was 633 actors and 96 units. |
| 15:52.54 | Almaity | Id like to point out that I am not using any default blizzard things at all (Excluding the "Missile Default" mover and doodads ofc) |
| 15:53.18 | Kueken | (17:49:28) Bommes: @FockeWulf I have 45 units and over 500 actors :( |
| 15:53.25 | Kueken | I can do the same for 1 unit :D |
| 15:53.35 | Almaity | how much was the box again? |
| 15:53.43 | Kueken | close to 500 |
| 15:53.43 | ckSynergy | hey Kueken |
| 15:53.48 | Almaity | and how many were site ops? |
| 15:53.49 | Kueken | thats what I was referring to |
| 15:53.55 | Kueken | no idea _D |
| 15:53.59 | Almaity | lol |
| 15:54.01 | FockeWulf | In my map? |
| 15:54.02 | Almaity | Im sure its over 200 |
| 15:54.12 | FockeWulf | Probably close to 300. |
| 15:54.14 | Kueken | over 9000 |
| 15:54.34 | FockeWulf | Over 9000 for your map? |
| 15:54.35 | Almaity | and how many were dummy invisible marines or dark warp prisms? |
| 15:54.37 | FockeWulf | I call bull. |
| 15:54.54 | Kueken | the rest basically |
| 15:55.13 | Ahli | your ww2 diplo had that: http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i333/marshallwellington/Terrain028.jpg |
| 15:55.20 | ckSynergy | Hey kueken, you know that Death Effect thing on transports? |
| 15:55.31 | Kueken | yep |
| 15:55.38 | FockeWulf | Yup |
| 15:55.45 | FockeWulf | that was a couple of pages of actors per. |
| 15:55.47 | ckSynergy | Call it morning wake up inspiration or whatever, but I just realised |
| 15:55.54 | ckSynergy | its like a behavior's Death Response field |
| 15:56.02 | ckSynergy | it trigers AFTER the damage has been dealt |
| 15:56.12 | Kueken | seems that way |
| 15:56.21 | ckSynergy | yea |
| 15:56.31 | ckSynergy | just saying I think its functioning as intended |
| 15:56.41 | Kueken | yes |
| 15:56.43 | FockeWulf | Hey Ahli? |
| 15:56.47 | FockeWulf | All of that |
| 15:56.48 | FockeWulf | became this |
| 15:56.53 | FockeWulf | http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i333/marshallwellington/Screenshot2012-09-1211_39_41.jpg |
| 15:56.55 | Kueken | I suspected the same even before trying to use it |
| 15:57.00 | Kueken | had to try it anyway ;) |
| 15:57.22 | Kueken | so I guess, you have not found a solution yet? |
| 15:57.28 | FockeWulf | Notice the missile turrets as Anti-Aircraft guns :) |
| 15:57.49 | FockeWulf | And I made that duel turret like 2 days ago |
| 15:58.02 | Ahli | oh there are missile turrets. I didn't notice them before |
| 15:58.16 | Kueken | Almaity do you happen to have an idea, how to prevent cargo units from dying instantly when the transport dies over impassable terrain? |
| 15:58.31 | Vailreth | you want to know something that bugs me ... the planetary fortress can not fire up |
| 15:58.33 | FockeWulf | Hey if I released the turret models do you think anyone would use them? |
| 15:58.47 | Ahli | someone made that with a behavior that teleports the stuff as its death response |
| 15:58.50 | Almaity | over impassable terrain, no. |
| 15:58.54 | Kueken | Vailreth, animation wise? |
| 15:58.57 | Almaity | Tried using something like graviton beam? |
| 15:59.09 | Almaity | temporarily allow them to be on impassable terran |
| 15:59.10 | ckSynergy | Kueken, not yet but I have an idea |
| 15:59.15 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 15:59.17 | Almaity | then use a teleport with a large placement range? |
| 15:59.38 | Kueken | ahli, the death response for behavior works? The death effect for the transport doesn't |
| 15:59.42 | Kueken | brb, checking |
| 15:59.48 | Vailreth | it can point its cannons up in its idle animation but there is no attach supirior |
| 15:59.55 | FockeWulf | Meh I guess no one would want the turret models :( Oh well. |
| 16:00.00 | Almaity | maybe launch them using LMs and give them a large placement radius as well |
| 16:00.09 | Ahli | I only read that in some thread about that this morning |
| 16:00.22 | ckSynergy | No, I think what needs to be done |
| 16:00.26 | Almaity | it all depends on whether you can use effects on them between transport dying and them dying |
| 16:00.38 | ckSynergy | is a modify uni effect (whee) that clones the source unit and leaves a copy in its place |
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| 16:00.53 | ckSynergy | the original is then hidden and teleported to a pathable location |
| 16:00.59 | ckSynergy | and then both are destroyed |
| 16:01.54 | ckSynergy | of course, that was late last night and I havent had time to test that |
| 16:01.57 | ckSynergy | but it should work |
| 16:05.53 | Kueken | Ahli, you said someone made it work |
| 16:06.14 | FockeWulf | Made what work? |
| 16:06.18 | FockeWulf | What are you trying to make work? |
| 16:06.25 | Kueken | do you happen to know where to find it? |
| 16:06.46 | Kueken | how to prevent cargo units from dying instantly when the transport dies over impassable terrain |
| 16:07.08 | ckSynergy | hmmmm |
| 16:07.09 | Ahli | I think he said that he made it work |
| 16:07.23 | ckSynergy | who? |
| 16:08.16 | ckSynergy | The death response for a transport works |
| 16:08.22 | FockeWulf | Hang on |
| 16:08.26 | FockeWulf | Where are the units in the transport |
| 16:08.29 | FockeWulf | supposed to go? |
| 16:08.47 | FockeWulf | Nearest land? |
| 16:08.48 | ckSynergy | closest pathable point |
| 16:08.49 | Ahli | can't find threads on mapster by browsing -.- |
| 16:09.21 | FockeWulf | Pure data or trigger hybrid? |
| 16:09.38 | FockeWulf | Ah ok |
| 16:09.45 | FockeWulf | actually its not very difficult |
| 16:09.52 | ckSynergy | mapster is so full of junk these days its impossible to use its search feature. have to use google lol |
| 16:09.59 | FockeWulf | Basically |
| 16:10.04 | ckSynergy | pure data |
| 16:10.05 | FockeWulf | have a behavior on the transport. |
| 16:10.30 | FockeWulf | with the final effect |
| 16:10.41 | FockeWulf | of iterate transport |
| 16:10.57 | FockeWulf | which applies an effect to each unit in the transport |
| 16:11.00 | FockeWulf | then use a search area |
| 16:11.09 | FockeWulf | with a validator checking w/e land you want. |
| 16:11.19 | FockeWulf | Then use a teleport effect from there |
| 16:11.23 | FockeWulf | And you should be done. |
| 16:12.07 | FockeWulf | There should be a "fatal" flag or something you can check |
| 16:12.08 | ckSynergy | One small problem |
| 16:12.12 | ckSynergy | cant teleport cargo ;) |
| 16:12.16 | FockeWulf | I think that forces the behavior to fire before actual unit death. |
| 16:12.22 | Ahli | can anyone find that thread? :S |
| 16:12.25 | FockeWulf | its not cargo |
| 16:12.27 | FockeWulf | its hidden |
| 16:12.40 | ckSynergy | and yes, combat response: chance 1, fatal flag checked would trigger right before death |
| 16:13.24 | FockeWulf | Why wouldn't it teleport cargo? |
| 16:13.38 | FockeWulf | Theres nothing in the teleport effect that says anything about that. |
| 16:13.48 | FockeWulf | Cargo is just units with the hidden flag anyways |
| 16:14.05 | FockeWulf | The unit's there its just not being rendered. |
| 16:14.38 | ckSynergy | that would explain some glitches ive seen |
| 16:14.53 | ckSynergy | but yea, I tried and teleport cargo doesnt work |
| 16:14.59 | ckSynergy | however a calldown might ;) |
| 16:15.07 | FockeWulf | Hmm |
| 16:15.10 | FockeWulf | I'd have to try it |
| 16:15.25 | FockeWulf | Another mapper is asking me questions though and I have a guy waiting on me for World of Tanks lol |
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| 16:16.09 | FockeWulf | Meh I'll work on a quick demo map. |
| 16:16.33 | ckSynergy | go for it if you want |
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| 16:27.45 | Ahli | unit groups are always in the chronological order of the addition of the units? |
| 16:30.59 | XCommeXorglub | Ahli, have you seen our beloved taintedwisp? |
| 16:31.50 | ckSynergy | saw him earlier |
| 16:32.05 | Ahli | ~seen taintedwisp |
| 16:32.12 | purl | taintedwisp <adbd30b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.189.48.183> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 12h 34m 56s ago, saying: 'lawl... karma..'. |
| 16:34.55 | Vailreth | it may be possible to simulate the efect you want with an itterate transport anda create unit effect |
| 16:36.16 | ckSynergy | Vailreth: I believe calldowns are whats needed |
| 16:36.38 | Vailreth | hm |
| 16:36.56 | Vailreth | never used them before how do they work? |
| 16:39.04 | Ahli | 75s load time with 20 dungeon layouts thrown away :) so each layout might only cost 1 second |
| 16:41.40 | ckSynergy | Honestly, Im unfamiliar with calldowns |
| 16:41.55 | ckSynergy | but certain abilities have the option to set a "Effect: Calldown" field |
| 16:42.06 | ckSynergy | which ties the ability's cargo to that paticular calldown |
| 16:42.21 | ckSynergy | used for train and transport abilities |
| 16:43.00 | ckSynergy | then, when another unit uses the actual calldown effect, it launches and consumes the unit |
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| 16:54.43 | Exaken | Blizz-Artestru: Are you here? |
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| 16:55.52 | Vailreth | here he is folks a prime example Taintedous Wispous more commonly known as The Taintedwisp>.> |
| 16:56.38 | Taintedwisp | And da most badass mutha fukka this side of the missispi |
| 16:57.00 | Vailreth | depending on which side you may be second to me |
| 16:57.21 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 16:58.19 | zenxu | whats up guys |
| 16:58.26 | Taintedwisp | THIS SHIT SUCKS... |
| 16:58.32 | zenxu | any new and cool maps out there today? |
| 16:58.33 | Taintedwisp | I need to find a job within 1 week |
| 16:59.19 | Vailreth | i wish you the best of luck |
| 16:59.36 | zenxu | 1 week |
| 16:59.38 | zenxu | how is that? |
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| 16:59.50 | zenxu | then you die of starvation? |
| 17:00.10 | Saltpeter | Okay I'm back from the sleepy! :D ck, you there? |
| 17:00.15 | Taintedwisp | no |
| 17:00.18 | Taintedwisp | Then I have to move... |
| 17:00.38 | zenxu | oh |
| 17:00.39 | zenxu | moving sucks |
| 17:01.36 | zenxu | I need to find job too btw |
| 17:01.46 | zenxu | Im seriosly gona die of starvation in couple months :( |
| 17:01.55 | zenxu | which I prefer not to do |
| 17:02.45 | Taintedwisp | That sucks... Ill just have to move back in with my mama... |
| 17:02.46 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:02.50 | Taintedwisp | and thats a pain in the ass too |
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| 17:03.01 | Taintedwisp | Still have internet and a car though... and fod |
| 17:03.04 | Taintedwisp | food |
| 17:03.07 | Taintedwisp | Just will be set back some |
| 17:13.07 | Vailreth | food... |
| 17:13.17 | Vailreth | soeaking off food i will have to go eat in a bit |
| 17:16.50 | ckSynergy | hey salt! |
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| 17:17.55 | Saltpeter | There you are! |
| 17:17.58 | Saltpeter | :D |
| 17:18.09 | Saltpeter | How did your tinkering go? |
| 17:18.15 | ckSynergy | https://www.dropbox.com/s/oxnh0s44y2oa77c/gridtd.SC2Map |
| 17:18.19 | ckSynergy | take a look for yourself |
| 17:19.57 | Saltpeter | Kue, if you're there, ck found a workaround for both the randomization/targeting loss thing and the sync issues. ;>.> But it's a complicated one. |
| 17:20.13 | ckSynergy | it not a work around lol |
| 17:20.14 | Vailreth | Tainted we are going to need icons or wireframes for all of the exisiting heros. |
| 17:20.18 | Blizz-Artestru | Exaken: Back |
| 17:20.23 | Saltpeter | Well, a solution. |
| 17:20.26 | ckSynergy | :P |
| 17:20.33 | ckSynergy | and honestly, it could probably be a lot easier |
| 17:20.39 | ckSynergy | erm simpler |
| 17:20.42 | Exaken | I found out what caused the text node bug |
| 17:20.55 | Blizz-Artestru | Oh yeah? |
| 17:20.58 | Blizz-Artestru | Was it the apostrophe? |
| 17:21.00 | Exaken | nope |
| 17:21.06 | ckSynergy | but it was late, and I didnt feel like digging through spine crawler code to see if the tentacles were tiesd to the launch missile or not |
| 17:21.17 | Exaken | It's when a property has an empty text value |
| 17:21.33 | Saltpeter | What's different about this version and the last one you showed bme before I went to sleep? o.o |
| 17:21.57 | Saltpeter | I get an error when I try to acquire a new target. @_@ |
| 17:22.28 | Saltpeter | Let's see... |
| 17:22.31 | ckSynergy | erm hold on |
| 17:22.37 | ckSynergy | I was thinking with the weapon targets |
| 17:22.40 | ckSynergy | *tinkering |
| 17:23.00 | ckSynergy | hmm should be working fine |
| 17:23.09 | ckSynergy | only issue is you cant focus fire when in random mode |
| 17:23.23 | Saltpeter | Is there a random mode? @_@ |
| 17:23.32 | ckSynergy | yes? |
| 17:23.41 | ckSynergy | I used the load/unload buttons |
| 17:23.56 | Blizz-Artestru | You mean if the text on a text node is empty? |
| 17:23.56 | Saltpeter | I only saw the attack button. |
| 17:23.56 | Exaken | Yes |
| 17:24.14 | Exaken | By default it's set to "Text" |
| 17:24.24 | Saltpeter | Hold on.... |
| 17:24.25 | ckSynergy | https://www.dropbox.com/s/oxnh0s44y2oa77c/gridtd.SC2Map |
| 17:24.28 | ckSynergy | download it again |
| 17:24.35 | Taintedwisp | Okay gotcha Vailreth Ill see what I can do for the Wireframes |
| 17:24.46 | Vailreth | mind if i take a look CK? |
| 17:24.53 | ckSynergy | thats up to salt |
| 17:25.01 | ckSynergy | its his project |
| 17:25.24 | Saltpeter | Yeah, I think this version I have is the one you showed me last night. :P |
| 17:25.30 | Vailreth | ah ok Salt since its your project do you mind my taking a look? |
| 17:26.01 | Saltpeter | Go for it. |
| 17:26.07 | Vailreth | thanks |
| 17:26.07 | ckSynergy | there isnt a load/unload button on the quadspine? |
| 17:26.20 | Saltpeter | Checking the version you just linked. |
| 17:26.24 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 17:26.39 | Saltpeter | Still only an attack button. |
| 17:27.23 | ckSynergy | https://www.dropbox.com/s/g4io7ob2j98d6qs/gridtdQUAD.SC2Map |
| 17:27.34 | ckSynergy | there, I saved as a different file so I KNOW that should have it |
| 17:27.52 | Saltpeter | OH. |
| 17:27.54 | Saltpeter | My bad. |
| 17:27.59 | Saltpeter | I wasn't downloading them to my dropbox. |
| 17:28.04 | ckSynergy | lmao |
| 17:28.17 | ckSynergy | yea, thatll do it lol |
| 17:28.18 | Ahli | this thread is awesome: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=368330 |
| 17:28.35 | Taintedwisp | Salt hes stealin your project... right now.. YUP you didnt know Vailreth is that kind of guy |
| 17:28.36 | Taintedwisp | ahah |
| 17:28.48 | Vailreth | right ... |
| 17:28.59 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 17:29.41 | Saltpeter | That's awesome. :D |
| 17:30.33 | Saltpeter | I want each spine to stick with a target after acquiring it in random mode, not switching targets after every attack. I'mma look at what you've done and see if I can't figure it out myself. |
| 17:31.30 | ckSynergy | uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 17:32.26 | Vailreth | wow iteresting, i was thinking more of a spire with tentacles that attackted around its self |
| 17:33.58 | Saltpeter | Ah, I see what you did with the randomizer. |
| 17:34.12 | Saltpeter | It's a persistent that starts the chain of searches. |
| 17:35.06 | ckSynergy | uhhh no |
| 17:35.06 | Saltpeter | This tower is far more complex than I ever expected it to be. ;>.> It may even be tutorial worthy. |
| 17:35.09 | Saltpeter | ? |
| 17:35.17 | ckSynergy | there are no persistents |
| 17:35.40 | Saltpeter | http://clip2net.com/s/2iH7t |
| 17:36.54 | ckSynergy | left overs |
| 17:37.00 | Saltpeter | Ah. |
| 17:37.00 | ckSynergy | thats not used |
| 17:37.16 | ckSynergy | Sorry, I didnt exactly do any cleanup. I'm near the same timezone as you lol |
| 17:37.17 | Saltpeter | Then I'd need a fuller explanation of what you did. |
| 17:37.21 | Saltpeter | That's fine. |
| 17:37.32 | Saltpeter | Once I understand how it works, I can clean it up myself. |
| 17:38.28 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 17:38.36 | ckSynergy | so, the weapon fires a switch for each missile |
| 17:38.47 | ckSynergy | the switch determines if the tower has the behavior or not |
| 17:38.58 | ckSynergy | if it does, it searches, if not, it casts the set effect |
| 17:39.06 | ckSynergy | the search casts the set effect, just on a random target |
| 17:39.41 | ckSynergy | the set effect launches the particular nodes spine, and then enables the next spine/disables all the others |
| 17:40.24 | ckSynergy | so in a nutshell: |
| 17:40.58 | ckSynergy | Weapon->Switch->{Search:Optional}->Set->Launch Missile | Enable Next Tower/Disable other towers |
| 17:41.31 | Saltpeter | I see. |
| 17:41.55 | ckSynergy | the enabler behavior also removes the previous spine behavior |
| 17:42.02 | ckSynergy | so basically it just cycles through every spine |
| 17:43.36 | ckSynergy | the only issue i see is I cant get the spine to fire without it enabling the attack order on the unit (which would allow for a focus fire mode while random is enabled) |
| 17:43.59 | Saltpeter | I don't want there to be a focus fire mode while random is enabled. :D |
| 17:44.07 | Saltpeter | Unless you mean an automatic one. |
| 17:44.11 | ckSynergy | oh, well then, problem solved lol |
| 17:44.26 | Saltpeter | I want for individual spines to focus their individual targets in random mode. |
| 17:44.30 | ckSynergy | nevermind if it works |
| 17:44.40 | ckSynergy | right |
| 17:44.47 | ckSynergy | trying to think... |
| 17:44.52 | Saltpeter | It almost does. I'm looking at the chain right now. |
| 17:45.08 | ckSynergy | wait |
| 17:45.18 | ckSynergy | maybe if you remove the TSRandom sort in the search |
| 17:46.06 | ckSynergy | hmmm nope |
| 17:46.23 | Saltpeter | If it has a target, it needs to not search. |
| 17:46.50 | Saltpeter | Except in the case that it is switching from focus to random. |
| 17:47.59 | ckSynergy | right i understand |
| 17:49.13 | ckSynergy | this is gonna be one complicated tower lol |
| 17:49.31 | Saltpeter | Yeah. And it was the very first tower idea I came up with. x.x |
| 17:49.37 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 17:49.46 | Saltpeter | But this is it for spines for me. |
| 17:49.46 | ckSynergy | well, I know the immediately obvious solution |
| 17:50.39 | ckSynergy | hmmm actually |
| 17:50.50 | ckSynergy | I think we can reuse some behaviors |
| 17:50.56 | ckSynergy | oh wait no |
| 17:51.00 | ckSynergy | well kinda |
| 17:51.11 | Saltpeter | Is there a validator for "is attacking" or "has target"? |
| 17:51.31 | ckSynergy | theres an is attacking validator |
| 17:51.37 | ckSynergy | but its applied to the unit not the turret |
| 17:51.46 | Saltpeter | Aww. |
| 17:51.53 | ckSynergy | what youll need to do |
| 17:52.05 | ckSynergy | is when a spine fires, apply a behavior to target |
| 17:52.25 | ckSynergy | you can reuse the n/s/e/w spine behaviors. They should have no effect on targets |
| 17:52.53 | ckSynergy | then you need to add a validator for each one |
| 17:53.01 | ckSynergy | Target Has North/s/e/t |
| 17:53.09 | ckSynergy | *w |
| 17:53.29 | ckSynergy | so in the set effect, apply the behavior |
| 17:53.42 | ckSynergy | then, in the switch, add a new case with the has behavior validator |
| 17:53.59 | ckSynergy | wait, no |
| 17:54.15 | ckSynergy | not the switch |
| 17:54.41 | ckSynergy | I think the search |
| 17:54.51 | ckSynergy | im not sure |
| 17:55.03 | ckSynergy | my brain isnt comprehending searches today |
| 17:56.26 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6572967517#9 |
| 17:56.48 | Saltpeter | So the "when a spine fires" part is in the Apply Behavior effect? |
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| 18:00.07 | zenxu | good |
| 18:00.22 | Blizz-Artestru | Tolkfan: I'm curious, how did you do the white background in your armageddon video? |
| 18:00.23 | ckSynergy | uhhhh |
| 18:00.26 | ckSynergy | what salt? |
| 18:00.36 | zenxu | I think warhounds should change to command center if you have like 5 of them |
| 18:00.38 | zenxu | wouldnt that be cool |
| 18:00.49 | Saltpeter | I didn't quite understand what you meant by [13:52] <ckSynergy> is when a spine fires, apply a behavior to target |
| 18:01.11 | Saltpeter | Warhounds are powerful enough as is. ;>.> |
| 18:01.22 | zenxu | read that post |
| 18:01.41 | zenxu | btw blizzard could make more debuff/buff spells on sc2 too |
| 18:01.53 | zenxu | like wc3 had tons of -armor and esnare and shit like that |
| 18:02.04 | zenxu | perhaps warhound could shoot a web to trap enemies |
| 18:02.34 | ducky | hm, more micro-negating abilities? :D |
| 18:02.53 | zenxu | that requires micro |
| 18:03.25 | ducky | what would trapping do? |
| 18:03.32 | zenxu | stop enemy unit |
| 18:03.35 | ducky | there |
| 18:03.36 | Saltpeter | I like Cloak's suggestion of making the Warhound's weapon a widow mine launcher. |
| 18:03.40 | ducky | micro negating abilities |
| 18:03.40 | zenxu | and perhaps drag air unit to ground |
| 18:03.41 | ducky | :P |
| 18:03.55 | zenxu | ducky |
| 18:04.04 | zenxu | then you use tempestst new ability |
| 18:04.09 | zenxu | PURIFY removes all debuffs |
| 18:04.19 | ckSynergy | ok salt |
| 18:04.19 | zenxu | and slows enemies |
| 18:04.26 | Tolkfan | Blizz-Artestru: ShapeCube model, re-scaled it into a flat board, set the color to white and made sure the lighting i used had lots of bloom :P |
| 18:04.49 | ducky | I agree, it needs to be more like marauder, while marauder negates micro by slowing down units, warhound would take things next step and prevent units from moving altogether :D |
| 18:04.55 | ckSynergy | first off you need to decide whether you want to reuse the n/s/e/w behaviors, or creat 4 new ones |
| 18:05.08 | ckSynergy | then you need to make a validator that checks the behavior count of those 4 on the target |
| 18:05.10 | Saltpeter | For simplicity's sake I'll make 4 new ones. |
| 18:05.17 | Saltpeter | Ah. |
| 18:05.18 | Tolkfan | btw. I remade that armageddon cutscene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTsPqWvG5ko |
| 18:05.23 | Tolkfan | shameless promotion |
| 18:05.58 | Saltpeter | Question. |
| 18:06.06 | Saltpeter | Suppose I have two Quadspine Towers. |
| 18:06.23 | Saltpeter | Will one tower stop the other tower from targeting? |
| 18:06.46 | ckSynergy | tolk that is EPIC |
| 18:06.56 | ckSynergy | yes? |
| 18:07.00 | Tolkfan | it's the music :p |
| 18:07.07 | ckSynergy | lol its the cutscene |
| 18:07.09 | ckSynergy | salt: yes |
| 18:07.49 | Saltpeter | Hrm. |
| 18:08.01 | ckSynergy | >.> you and your complicated tower lol |
| 18:08.16 | Saltpeter | ;>.> This is why I've been dreading the data editing part. |
| 18:08.32 | ckSynergy | the data isnt hard |
| 18:08.43 | ckSynergy | you just want 20,000 different effects lol |
| 18:08.55 | Saltpeter | But visually it's only three. D: |
| 18:08.59 | ckSynergy | 4 |
| 18:09.29 | Saltpeter | I guess I'll just settle for random-after-each-attack. |
| 18:09.29 | Vailreth | if i place an action deffinition in an action deffinition will the triggering player carry over from one to the one inside it? |
| 18:09.31 | ckSynergy | I say leave it as is |
| 18:09.38 | Saltpeter | Yeah. |
| 18:09.44 | ckSynergy | its easier on the end user too |
| 18:09.50 | Saltpeter | True. |
| 18:09.51 | ckSynergy | especially for a TD game |
| 18:10.06 | ckSynergy | If I'm gonna focus something, I'm going to pick focus mode |
| 18:10.06 | Saltpeter | Smaller program, smaller objects, less chance of the game running out of memory. |
| 18:10.17 | ckSynergy | otherwise, I want it spraying as much as possible |
| 18:10.23 | Saltpeter | Yeah. |
| 18:10.24 | ckSynergy | so my other towers can do the heavy damage |
| 18:10.40 | Saltpeter | I'm not sure whether to label this game a TD or a Tug. |
| 18:10.59 | Saltpeter | My mind says TD because I enjoy TD more. |
| 18:11.12 | ckSynergy | looks like a TD to me |
| 18:11.22 | ckSynergy | a tug is unit vs unit |
| 18:11.37 | ckSynergy | a TD is towers preventing enemies from reaching your node |
| 18:11.40 | Saltpeter | There will be unit v. unit combat. :o |
| 18:11.56 | Saltpeter | Once I make the spawners. ;>.> |
| 18:12.06 | ckSynergy | its a TD |
| 18:12.43 | Saltpeter | Well we'll see. |
| 18:13.05 | Saltpeter | If when it's fully implmented, it still seems predominantly like a TD, I will have to tweak the balancing to make it seem less so. |
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| 18:15.01 | Saltpeter | The range at which you can build towers is meant to be severely limited at first, if both teams send units early on, the fighting will almost certainly occur when there are no towers to defend at all. |
| 18:15.06 | Blizz-Artestru | Tolkfan: That is what I figured, thanks! |
| 18:17.54 | zenxu | artestruuu |
| 18:18.02 | zenxu | blizzard should hire me as hots unit designer |
| 18:18.16 | ckSynergy | lol why |
| 18:18.25 | zenxu | cause my amazing idea |
| 18:18.30 | zenxu | didnt you read that post |
| 18:18.32 | ckSynergy | ? |
| 18:18.47 | zenxu | they looking for ideas for hots units (dont like how marauder and warhound roels overlap) |
| 18:20.24 | zenxu | and zealots should have this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vALMckBQDpU |
| 18:20.30 | ducky | I would approve of such appointment. I liked your idea of making warhounds transform into buildings |
| 18:20.36 | Blizz-Artestru | Send in an application! http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/careers/directory.html#region=Americas |
| 18:21.35 | zenxu | If they had somekind of job I could do here in finland (mapping related, sure I would apply) |
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| 18:23.32 | zenxu | working with blizzard anyway could be pretty tough I would imagine |
| 18:24.09 | zenxu | like |
| 18:24.15 | zenxu | freedom is pretty minimalistic right? |
| 18:25.51 | Tolkfan | I hear they're shackled to their desks and are only fed once they finish an assignment. |
| 18:26.01 | zenxu | working with valve I would prefer |
| 18:26.07 | zenxu | they got such cool imago |
| 18:26.15 | zenxu | seems like they support modders and such |
| 18:26.24 | zenxu | while blizzard is just now realizing |
| 18:26.30 | zenxu | "oh those guys make free contnet for us" |
| 18:26.42 | zenxu | perhaps we should try something |
| 18:27.34 | zenxu | and in wc3 case |
| 18:27.40 | zenxu | they were actually making moneys from dota |
| 18:27.51 | zenxu | such a shame they failed sc2 launch |
| 18:29.09 | Tolkfan | valve's support of modding = employing the modders :] |
| 18:29.20 | zenxu | exactly |
| 18:29.40 | zenxu | and still |
| 18:29.45 | Tolkfan | then they're no longer modders |
| 18:29.57 | zenxu | I feel like blizzard is more "sue modders type" |
| 18:29.59 | zenxu | rather than |
| 18:30.00 | zenxu | support |
| 18:30.05 | Vailreth | going for lunch brb |
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| 18:31.01 | tordy | HELLO |
| 18:31.20 | zenxu | hi |
| 18:31.58 | zenxu | btw |
| 18:32.03 | zenxu | if someone feels like helping on my RPG |
| 18:32.08 | zenxu | you could design items for me |
| 18:32.09 | zenxu | :/ |
| 18:32.17 | tordy | what rpg |
| 18:32.26 | zenxu | MAGIC RPG |
| 18:32.51 | tordy | oh you made that? |
| 18:32.52 | tordy | cool |
| 18:33.01 | ducky | you should then elaborate on what you expect to see |
| 18:33.14 | zenxu | items! |
| 18:33.18 | zenxu | unique and legendary |
| 18:33.19 | zenxu | xD |
| 18:33.39 | zenxu | I expect nobody to be interested |
| 18:33.44 | tordy | i really like the way you make an encounter system where fighting an enemy takes you to a closed section of a map |
| 18:33.48 | zenxu | so I dont wana waste my post |
| 18:33.50 | tordy | i wanted to make an RPG like that too |
| 18:33.56 | tordy | since there's like none of those in sc2 right now |
| 18:34.23 | ducky | I can design stuff .. as long as I don't have to implement it :P |
| 18:34.24 | zenxu | it took quite long to get to that pont |
| 18:34.28 | zenxu | first it was more open world :D |
| 18:34.31 | tordy | altho instread of real time, it's turn based |
| 18:34.43 | zenxu | ducky |
| 18:34.45 | tordy | tactical turn based |
| 18:34.48 | zenxu | I guess Ill post at my thread sompoiunt |
| 18:34.51 | zenxu | of what would be required |
| 18:35.04 | zenxu | mainly lore + passive abilities |
| 18:35.09 | zenxu | since uniques and legendaries will have em |
| 18:35.13 | ducky | do so |
| 18:35.49 | ducky | besides, your thread attracted 3 new users to sc2 mapster. If pubs are willing to register just to post, somebody will be willing to help you out with item ideas |
| 18:36.13 | ducky | that's a very common desire, to be the idea/developer guy :P |
| 18:36.24 | ckSynergy | not mine :D |
| 18:36.27 | ckSynergy | I just like fixing things |
| 18:36.41 | Saltpeter | I just want to make my game. Maintain it too. ;>.> |
| 18:36.53 | ckSynergy | I just want to take ideas and improve upon them |
| 18:37.00 | Saltpeter | I don't have plans for anything else with the editor, especially as my job will start consuming large quantities of time. |
| 18:37.43 | Saltpeter | If I can't get SC2 onto my work laptop, I won't even be able to edit for nearly 2 months. ._. |
| 18:38.09 | ducky | =( |
| 18:38.42 | zenxu | I actually would like just make spells |
| 18:38.50 | zenxu | all the sytems are anoying as heck to do |
| 18:38.54 | zenxu | and in my case |
| 18:38.56 | zenxu | were buggy as hell xD |
| 18:39.01 | Saltpeter | I like doing trigger stuff. |
| 18:39.42 | ducky | I like playing complete polished products :3 |
| 18:40.05 | ducky | but so very few things interest me :/ |
| 18:40.06 | Saltpeter | Good luck finding those in the Arcade top 20. ;>.> <.<; |
| 18:40.21 | Saltpeter | Those error that happen at the end of every Desert Strike round bug me. |
| 18:42.18 | zenxu | blizzard should release bnet + editor without sc2 for own fee |
| 18:42.22 | zenxu | that would be awesome in my opinion |
| 18:42.48 | zenxu | and play customs in same bnet as sc2 |
| 18:42.48 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6571627434 |
| 18:43.10 | Bibendus | SUCCESS |
| 18:43.49 | Saltpeter | YES. |
| 18:43.54 | Saltpeter | Warhounds gone, Carriers back! |
| 18:44.01 | Saltpeter | ;>.> </totally biased> |
| 18:44.01 | A1win | I probably wouldn't even dare to publish a map if it had known trigger errors D: |
| 18:44.12 | Saltpeter | Me neither. |
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| 18:44.26 | A1win | or any obvious bug for that matter |
| 18:45.04 | Saltpeter | Tempest attack range changed to 15, Tempest damage changed from 30 to 30 +20 massive |
| 18:45.06 | Saltpeter | Oh my god. |
| 18:45.26 | Saltpeter | ...does that mean with the upgrade max range is 27? |
| 18:47.43 | Vailreth | i have a trigger error i can not poinpoint so i covered it over with a feature |
| 18:47.49 | Saltpeter | Protoss got some lovin'. :D :D |
| 18:51.44 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6571627434?page=2#35 |
| 18:51.57 | zenxu | overal pretty nice changes |
| 18:52.16 | Bommes | http://i.imgur.com/MCLci.jpg |
| 18:52.46 | Saltpeter | No one's addressing the fate of Gravity Sling in that thread. |
| 18:52.50 | Saltpeter | Has it been removed? |
| 18:54.31 | Saltpeter | New temp range + Gravity Sling = 27 |
| 18:54.52 | ducky | I really doubt that. |
| 18:54.56 | A1win | I'd suspect it's just 15 |
| 18:54.57 | Ahli | I guess it will be reduced to 27 |
| 18:55.18 | Saltpeter | Huh? |
| 18:55.37 | A1win | if they just want it to be a massive counter along with carriers |
| 18:55.40 | Saltpeter | Okay, What is the temp's base range, has gravity sling been removed, and if not, how much range does it give? |
| 18:55.49 | ducky | though 15 seems like too much an un-upgraded unit. Probably starts with something like 10 range and upgrades to 15 later |
| 18:55.51 | Saltpeter | The wording in your answers are all really confusing. x.x |
| 18:56.19 | ducky | well, you'll find it out soon enough :D |
| 18:56.26 | Saltpeter | I don't have beta access. ._. |
| 18:56.40 | A1win | that different hellion types from factory seems a bit overly complicated |
| 18:56.42 | ducky | okay.. relatively soon :D |
| 18:57.06 | ducky | I like idea to produce firebat walkers right from the start |
| 18:57.10 | zenxu | seems stupid to me to have upgrade needed for battle mode and vice versa |
| 18:58.12 | tordy | i think the book is much better |
| 18:58.40 | Ahli | Blizz-Deletarius, Blizz-Artestru, poke davie: "Amory" typo ;) and tempest range change is unclear. Now 15 base range + 7 upgrade range or new max range 27 or no more upgrade and base and max range 15? |
| 18:59.15 | zenxu | why do we even care about melee that much |
| 18:59.30 | zenxu | I would really like to see even more changes |
| 18:59.36 | ducky | ooh, tb is streaming black mesa source, I now no longer care about anything today :D |
| 18:59.36 | zenxu | to make me wana play |
| 18:59.37 | ducky | http://www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit |
| 18:59.41 | Ahli | e-sports :hurr: |
| 18:59.42 | A1win | zenxu, you don't need to care :P |
| 19:00.34 | Ahli | I like watching. I like theorizing about the game balance from watching it like the normal drunk sports viewer in front of his tv. |
| 19:02.03 | Ahli | that black mesa thing was created super faithfully... |
| 19:04.32 | A1win | uff spider on the wall right next to my pillow when I was about to go to bed ;[ |
| 19:04.40 | ckSynergy | nevermind |
| 19:05.34 | Ahli | y u no like free protein snack? |
| 19:07.28 | Vailreth | Hey Taintedwisp new version of character select up in Extra Maps. |
| 19:07.38 | Vailreth | hah |
| 19:07.59 | tordy | i like melee and customs |
| 19:08.27 | tordy | melee for the esport/competitive spectator aspect |
| 19:09.37 | Saltpeter | Okay, new editing question. |
| 19:09.54 | Saltpeter | So I have my Quadspine tower. How do give each part of it its standard death animation? |
| 19:11.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | where's the typo for armory? |
| 19:12.31 | Ahli | ctrl F |
| 19:13.17 | Ahli | 2nd last white text line |
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| 19:14.51 | Kueken | pack from dancing |
| 19:14.54 | Kueken | *back |
| 19:14.58 | Kueken | anything happened? |
| 19:15.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | interesting that the warhound is temporarily removed...I wonder if terran will still be going mech-ball in tvz... |
| 19:15.37 | Blizz-Deletarius | (I hope not) |
| 19:15.59 | Ahli | also, tempest upgrade damage. But I guess you will use +3(+2 massive) (equals +10% damage). |
| 19:17.17 | Kueken | wait, warhound removed? o_0 |
| 19:17.34 | Kueken | sounds drastic |
| 19:17.48 | Kueken | is it going to get replaced? |
| 19:18.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | reworked it looks like |
| 19:18.57 | Bibendus | I like this Reaper has a new passive ability: Battlefield Awareness Allows Reapers to see up cliffs |
| 19:19.04 | Bibendus | neat and useful |
| 19:19.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | yea, it's interesting |
| 19:19.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | but, hopefully now with warhound gone, I can get back to ling/bling/muta vs terran |
| 19:20.12 | Ahli | oh god... I used "remove units from unit group" instead of removing the units out of the game... so much time wasted on that o0 |
| 19:20.46 | Blizz-Deletarius | anyway, lunch/time to check out these changes in HoTS...be back later |
| 19:21.11 | Ahli | they just go and play in their lunch break... this is madness |
| 19:21.11 | Bibendus | :P |
| 19:21.35 | Bibendus | lol |
| 19:21.49 | Kueken | Ahli, that deserves a facepalm :) |
| 19:24.02 | Ahli | http://www.zaaap.net/wp-content/gallery/facepalm-pictures-4/zaaap-net_facepalm_facepalm-53110262622.jpg |
| 19:24.26 | Blizz-Artestru | :) |
| 19:25.27 | Kueken | that should do :) |
| 19:26.04 | Bibendus | artes and dele |
| 19:26.09 | Bibendus | what will happen to units that got removed? |
| 19:26.27 | Bibendus | because as editor we would really like to still be able to use them |
| 19:26.34 | Bibendus | as editors |
| 19:26.57 | Ahli | *scrapped |
| 19:26.58 | Bibendus | and I think there were some old sc2 units that got removed from the beta and never came back |
| 19:28.50 | Bibendus | Blizz-Artestru? |
| 19:31.10 | Bommes | Bibendus: I don't think they know. |
| 19:31.17 | Bibendus | they should :P |
| 19:31.54 | Bommes | man, TB is horrible at finding things |
| 19:32.49 | Ahli | the models weren't in WoL because they didn't meet quality and they changed some engine stuff, so they didn't necessarily work. I think they said that some time ago |
| 19:35.49 | Ahli | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19584301 |
| 19:40.10 | zenxu | time for daily strikers |
| 19:40.15 | zenxu | anyone with me?! |
| 19:42.02 | zenxu | btw |
| 19:42.11 | zenxu | tournaments arent probly coming in hots either? |
| 19:42.20 | zenxu | that was also so much fun |
| 19:42.27 | zenxu | trying to become best |
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| 19:48.43 | zenxu | it became too quiet |
| 19:49.32 | Ahli | everyone watches TB looking at things... for things I mean. |
| 19:53.12 | Saltpeter | Well, I've got an editor question if you want something to talk about. ;>.> Nothing complicated, I hope. |
| 19:54.03 | Saltpeter | I have a tower that consists of a creep tumor base and four spinecrawler weapons. How do I give each part its standard death animation? |
| 19:57.36 | Kueken | uh |
| 19:57.44 | Kueken | carrier is back in HotS |
| 19:57.48 | Saltpeter | Yep. |
| 19:58.06 | Kueken | how are your spines set up? |
| 19:58.14 | Kueken | model type attachment actors? |
| 19:59.00 | Kueken | based on Model Animation Style Continuous or ModelAddition, I suppose? |
| 19:59.14 | Saltpeter | ModelAddition, yeah., |
| 19:59.45 | Kueken | How do you currently handle the destroying for these actors? |
| 19:59.53 | Kueken | and what happens when they die? |
| 20:00.04 | Saltpeter | UnitDeath.QuadspineTower -> Destroy |
| 20:00.19 | Kueken | use AnimBracketStop BSD instead of Destroy |
| 20:00.45 | Kueken | it will destroy itself, when the death animation is finished |
| 20:00.56 | Saltpeter | Ooh. |
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| 20:01.40 | Kueken | one of the default events should be something like AnimBracketState.AfterClosing -> destroy |
| 20:01.56 | Kueken | that handles the destruction if you stop the animation bracket |
| 20:02.32 | Kueken | if your animation bracket is not called BSD, use your name instea |
| 20:02.32 | Kueken | d |
| 20:02.55 | Saltpeter | I don't have an animation bracket for this item. |
| 20:03.18 | Saltpeter | The spines use AnimPlay Stand, Burrow PlayForever. |
| 20:03.21 | Kueken | ModelAddition should use an animation bracket by default |
| 20:03.26 | Kueken | oh |
| 20:03.30 | Kueken | or did I mess that up? |
| 20:03.36 | Kueken | sec |
| 20:03.48 | Kueken | or did you change that manually |
| 20:03.53 | Saltpeter | Manual. |
| 20:03.54 | Kueken | according to the tutorial |
| 20:04.33 | Saltpeter | The tower itself uses BSD. |
| 20:05.11 | Kueken | I would suggest using an animation bracked instead of the animation play |
| 20:05.19 | Kueken | there should be noticeable difference |
| 20:05.26 | Saltpeter | I'll try it. |
| 20:05.32 | Kueken | but it makes it easier to handle the death |
| 20:05.44 | tordy | what's bsd stand for |
| 20:05.48 | Kueken | *shouldn't |
| 20:05.54 | Saltpeter | Birth Stand Death |
| 20:05.59 | Kueken | exactly |
| 20:06.05 | Kueken | its just a name |
| 20:06.09 | Kueken | you could name it FooBar |
| 20:06.26 | Saltpeter | Birth Stand Death appears to be a common setup for animation brackets. |
| 20:06.37 | Saltpeter | Opening birth, content stand, closing death. |
| 20:06.51 | Kueken | yes, because most models use these animations |
| 20:07.09 | Kueken | you probably dont need a birth animation, so you could skip the opening |
| 20:07.22 | Kueken | as content you want stand burrow instead of just stand |
| 20:07.23 | Saltpeter | In the case of my tower, it's gonna be opening stand burrow, content burrow, closing death. |
| 20:07.25 | Saltpeter | I think. |
| 20:07.32 | Saltpeter | Or just stand, burrow, death/ |
| 20:07.46 | Kueken | I would use none, stand burrow, death |
| 20:07.53 | Saltpeter | Ah. |
| 20:08.05 | Kueken | maybe death burrow |
| 20:08.18 | Kueken | however |
| 20:08.24 | zenxu | I own HL1 but never played it :D |
| 20:08.29 | zenxu | got it for CS |
| 20:08.30 | Kueken | I need to check if the death animation is in the model itself |
| 20:08.48 | Kueken | many unit models use additional models for their death animations |
| 20:08.59 | Kueken | in which case this solution wouldn't work |
| 20:09.45 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (d55783e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.131.230) |
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| 20:10.47 | Blizz-Artestru | Everyone congratulate Blizz-Deletarius on his placement in Grandmaster! |
| 20:11.16 | Saltpeter | Congrats! :D |
| 20:11.24 | Kueken | Blizz-Deletarius: Congratulations! You deserve it! |
| 20:11.27 | Saltpeter | I didn't notice a change. |
| 20:11.28 | Ahli | grats! |
| 20:11.42 | Exaken | Grats:D |
| 20:11.52 | Saltpeter | How does it feel to be up there with the likes of HDStarcraft? :P |
| 20:11.52 | Blizz-Artestru | Wow, he's rank 2 in Grandmaster, even better! |
| 20:12.22 | Kueken | Saltpeter: You didn't notice a change when swapping to AnimBracket? Or in the death animation? |
| 20:12.50 | Kueken | the spine crawler has the death animation in the same model, sho it should work |
| 20:13.05 | tordy | gm in hots? |
| 20:13.27 | Kueken | yeah, hes in the 200 best of 200 beta participants :D |
| 20:13.35 | Blizz-Artestru | :) |
| 20:13.38 | Saltpeter | Both. |
| 20:13.38 | Blizz-Artestru | Something like that... |
| 20:13.45 | Kueken | ah |
| 20:13.48 | Zolden | Salpeter, how is your editor learinng going on? |
| 20:13.49 | Saltpeter | Changed to animbracket, unit still instantly disappeared. |
| 20:13.51 | Kueken | check the events |
| 20:13.55 | Saltpeter | Pretty well, I think. :D |
| 20:13.58 | tordy | didnt day9 get to GM from Platinum by beating just 1 dude? |
| 20:14.00 | Ahli | I'm in silver, there are more than 200 ^^ |
| 20:14.06 | Kueken | is there an event ActorOrphan -> Destroy? |
| 20:14.20 | tordy | think the hots gms are little funky right now |
| 20:14.30 | Saltpeter | In the tower, or the spines? |
| 20:14.33 | Kueken | spines |
| 20:14.42 | tordy | how many participants are there in hots? |
| 20:14.51 | Saltpeter | No. |
| 20:14.52 | tordy | can you share that info blizz? |
| 20:14.55 | tordy | >:( |
| 20:15.14 | Vailreth | i can tell you that there are not enough >..> |
| 20:15.18 | Kueken | ModelAddition adds that by default |
| 20:15.27 | Kueken | did the tutorial tell you to remove it? |
| 20:15.28 | tordy | i'd imagine |
| 20:15.54 | Saltpeter | Oh! |
| 20:15.57 | Saltpeter | Yeah, I see it. |
| 20:16.01 | Kueken | alright |
| 20:16.07 | Saltpeter | There is an ActorOrphan Destroy. |
| 20:16.11 | Kueken | change that destroy to AnimBracketStop as well |
| 20:16.12 | Zolden | I have a question to hots players, do you use the select army hotkey? is it useful? |
| 20:16.29 | Kueken | Hey Zolden ;) |
| 20:17.02 | Saltpeter | That did it. Thanks! ^_^ |
| 20:17.12 | Zolden | hey Kueken, dunno how to whisper to you as you did |
| 20:17.26 | Saltpeter | Right click on a person's name and select query. |
| 20:17.31 | Saltpeter | I...think? |
| 20:17.47 | Kueken | something like that ^^ |
| 20:18.01 | Kueken | but its different from client to client |
| 20:18.15 | Kueken | there is a general command, like /msg or something |
| 20:18.34 | Saltpeter | Ooh. |
| 20:18.50 | Saltpeter | With this bracket method, I don't need a UnitDeath.QuadspineTower event, do I? |
| 20:19.07 | Saltpeter | ActorOrphan cuts it off automatically. |
| 20:19.24 | Kueken | yes, but relying on ActorOrphan is considered bad style afaik |
| 20:19.29 | Saltpeter | Ah. |
| 20:19.38 | Kueken | ActorOrphan is more of a backup failsave |
| 20:19.47 | Saltpeter | I see. |
| 20:22.20 | Ahli | it's my default :X |
| 20:23.06 | Saltpeter | My guess is that without UnitDeath.QuadspineTower, the ActorOrphan event will only happen after the tower's own death animation finishes. |
| 20:23.17 | Saltpeter | Causing a small change in the animation. |
| 20:23.22 | Saltpeter | The creep tumor bursts first. |
| 20:24.50 | Ahli | it happens on the unit's death. so when the death animation starts. |
| 20:24.57 | Saltpeter | Ah. |
| 20:25.00 | Saltpeter | So no change. |
| 20:25.04 | Saltpeter | Then it is all just convention. |
| 20:25.10 | Saltpeter | I like having a design convention. |
| 20:25.15 | tordy | whaaaaaat warhound removed!? |
| 20:25.27 | zenxu | I played craftcraft again |
| 20:25.54 | zenxu | so meh :/ |
| 20:25.54 | zenxu | kinda feels the same as before |
| 20:26.09 | Ahli | "Unpowered Warp Gates will no longer show as Gateways under the fog of war." I think that is/was happening in 1.5, too. |
| 20:26.28 | ckSynergy | im not surprised |
| 20:26.29 | tordy | is blizz gonna add a different new units now that warhound is removed? |
| 20:26.33 | zenxu | tb stopped streamin? |
| 20:26.36 | Kueken | using ActorOrphan will probably work just fine in most situations |
| 20:26.40 | ckSynergy | the terran units were all meh |
| 20:26.42 | tordy | terran feels lacking in hots |
| 20:26.47 | ckSynergy | besides, its not like terran uses anything but marines |
| 20:26.48 | Kueken | I just never saw Blizzard stuff relying on it |
| 20:26.50 | Bommes | tordy: they just rework it |
| 20:26.57 | tordy | hope so |
| 20:26.58 | Bommes | so it fits a different purpose |
| 20:27.03 | Bommes | no, they said so |
| 20:27.06 | Bommes | ;) |
| 20:27.09 | tordy | warhound was a little.... too versatile i guess |
| 20:27.57 | tordy | in other news |
| 20:27.58 | Ahli | massed warhounds in beta release won vs everything except air, mass banelings and mass siege tanks |
| 20:28.01 | tordy | CARRIER HAS ARRIVED |
| 20:28.20 | Bommes | Ahli: How did you lose against mass banelings? lol |
| 20:28.34 | Saltpeter | Went warhounds. :P |
| 20:28.54 | Ahli | I didn't loose. It was shown in unit tester |
| 20:29.04 | Ahli | conclusion was that the warhound was way to OP |
| 20:29.44 | Saltpeter | I like the Haywire ability as a counter to Immortals, it's the primary weapon that made it too powerful. |
| 20:30.14 | tordy | they better tweak the carrier at least |
| 20:30.18 | Kueken | it felt counter-intuitive that the hardened shields didnt block the missiles though |
| 20:30.28 | Kueken | I mean, they are meant to ignore spell damage |
| 20:30.35 | Kueken | but they are friggin rockets |
| 20:30.50 | Saltpeter | Hardened shields did exactly what they're supposed to do. Block all damage in excess of 10. |
| 20:30.58 | Ahli | but it is a rocket with an electric charge or something |
| 20:31.18 | tordy | it doesnt block spell damage in excess of 10 |
| 20:31.27 | tordy | at least time i tested it |
| 20:31.30 | Saltpeter | Ah. |
| 20:31.37 | Saltpeter | That should be fixed, then. |
| 20:31.41 | zenxu | warhounds could also have ability = terratron 2 |
| 20:31.47 | zenxu | transform to terratron |
| 20:32.02 | Saltpeter | And then that terratron turns into a planetary fortress! |
| 20:32.04 | Ahli | or be morphed from scv :S |
| 20:32.22 | Saltpeter | A PF that can take off and fire from the air! |
| 20:32.50 | Kueken | it made sense to not block spell damage |
| 20:33.00 | Kueken | otherwise they would be insane vs nukes |
| 20:33.07 | Saltpeter | Yeah. |
| 20:33.13 | Kueken | and emp woud not counter them |
| 20:33.21 | Ahli | "Simple Command Card has been removed from the Planetary Fortress. The Build SCV command card button on the Command Center has been moved back to the top left slot." :) yay |
| 20:33.29 | Kueken | but I think the haywire missiles should just not count as spell damage |
| 20:33.37 | Saltpeter | Me too. |
| 20:34.12 | zenxu | orrrrr |
| 20:34.20 | zenxu | warhound could be like a moving bunker for marines |
| 20:34.25 | zenxu | and have ability to shoot marines to base |
| 20:34.38 | zenxu | I think thats the best idea iv had |
| 20:34.45 | Zolden | guys, do have you had that strange fps increased thing after 1.5 came out? |
| 20:35.11 | Zolden | in 1.5 i have fps = 300 when it was about 90 in 1.5 |
| 20:35.17 | Zolden | *in 1.4 |
| 20:35.32 | Kueken | didn't notice so far |
| 20:35.46 | Ahli | no :S but that's huuge :D |
| 20:35.49 | Kueken | 1.5 increased first time lag for newly initialized models by a LOT though |
| 20:36.07 | Zolden | never witnessed it ;/ |
| 20:36.17 | Ahli | I want your computer, zolden ;D |
| 20:36.27 | tordy | is that why that preloading map got so popular? |
| 20:36.33 | Ahli | indeed |
| 20:36.46 | Ahli | I made my own one, but mine lags more and is super ugly |
| 20:36.46 | tordy | iNdEeDD |
| 20:36.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | back |
| 20:36.58 | zenxu | btw I find it a bit weird that sc2 is such a hard game to play, yet custom map players usually play like idiots |
| 20:37.08 | zenxu | you would think sc2 would train them for customs too |
| 20:37.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | customs != melee |
| 20:37.26 | Kueken | btw, the HotS beta takes like forever to initialize models, is that normal? |
| 20:37.30 | Saltpeter | I tend to be pretty good at most custom games I play. ;>.> |
| 20:37.37 | Kueken | it has this initialize progress bar |
| 20:37.42 | Blizz-Deletarius | sometimes the custom game itself needs streamlining |
| 20:37.47 | zenxu | deletarius you should give us some custom game stats |
| 20:37.47 | Kueken | which loads stuff for 2 minutes + |
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| 20:37.58 | zenxu | like how many people play them and how many play melee |
| 20:38.02 | Saltpeter | The only custom that constantly gives me a hard time is Battlecraft. |
| 20:38.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh I don't know any of that |
| 20:38.13 | Saltpeter | The units are so different from their melee counterparts. |
| 20:38.19 | zenxu | deletarisu strikes has 4 buttons you need to use |
| 20:38.22 | zenxu | PEOPLE CANNOT EVEN DO THAT |
| 20:38.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | huh? |
| 20:38.31 | Kueken | deletarisu |
| 20:38.36 | zenxu | "hurr durr, how do I kick the ball" |
| 20:38.37 | Kueken | sound japanese :D |
| 20:38.44 | zenxu | dont tell me you havent played strikers?!?!? |
| 20:38.50 | Saltpeter | I haven't. |
| 20:38.53 | Blizz-Deletarius | no, I haven't |
| 20:39.02 | zenxu | youv been missing out! |
| 20:39.05 | Saltpeter | I mostly play TD, Tug, and Survival. ;>.> |
| 20:39.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | it needs a ladder and I'll play it :) |
| 20:39.15 | Saltpeter | SOMETIMES I play Arena, but I find them frustrating. |
| 20:39.17 | zenxu | I think strikes could be excellent esports |
| 20:39.38 | Blizz-Deletarius | I play games to beat other people in them :) |
| 20:39.45 | Saltpeter | Every Arena game has a super-popular tactic that's annoying to play against when using other tactics. |
| 20:39.53 | zenxu | strikers in competive |
| 20:39.58 | zenxu | but too bad your team usually sucks |
| 20:40.14 | zenxu | I could take like 20 matches without problems |
| 20:40.21 | zenxu | but now Im highly anoyed when I get bad team |
| 20:40.38 | Taintedwisp | take his life oohohohoho |
| 20:40.40 | Kueken | thats the prerequisite of a competitive game :D |
| 20:40.46 | Blizz-Deletarius | what I'm saying is, unless it has ranked play, or is really, really fun, I probably won't be playing a lot of it |
| 20:40.50 | Kueken | "my team usually sucks" |
| 20:41.02 | zenxu | yes its fun |
| 20:41.08 | Saltpeter | I want to add ranked play into my game. :o |
| 20:41.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | and let me guess |
| 20:41.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | you made it? ;) |
| 20:41.14 | zenxu | but I suppose some people are pure melee |
| 20:41.16 | zenxu | I did not |
| 20:41.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh |
| 20:41.30 | Kueken | sounded like it though :D |
| 20:41.37 | zenxu | I made beast commanders! |
| 20:41.39 | Kueken | (even though I know you didnt make it) |
| 20:41.40 | zenxu | which is kinda bad :D |
| 20:41.58 | zenxu | I think even beast commanders is worth checking out |
| 20:41.59 | Blizz-Deletarius | yep kueken "you should play this awesome game, it's a lot of fun, I know you'll like it" |
| 20:42.02 | zenxu | for 1 time experience |
| 20:42.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | I've played a few of the games though |
| 20:42.18 | tordy | too bad we can't add ranked matchmaking into our custom maps blizz |
| 20:42.29 | tordy | :(((((((((((( |
| 20:42.35 | Saltpeter | Stats preserved will include favorite role, wins, losses, draws, abandons, sudden deaths, and rank. |
| 20:42.43 | Kueken | we can, its just a nuisance :D |
| 20:42.57 | Kueken | okay |
| 20:42.59 | Kueken | we cant |
| 20:42.59 | tordy | or in a chatroom |
| 20:43.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | snipers pro mod, pilots, baneling arena I think, choo choo train, the tron fps disc one... |
| 20:43.00 | Kueken | ./ |
| 20:43.01 | tordy | we gotta set it up privately |
| 20:43.10 | tordy | bound to play against the same players over and over |
| 20:43.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | bomber bot, etc |
| 20:43.21 | zenxu | tron and fps disc are fun too |
| 20:43.35 | zenxu | no idea what choo choo train is :D |
| 20:43.36 | zenxu | sounds fun |
| 20:43.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's interesting |
| 20:43.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's 12v4 |
| 20:43.55 | Ahli | bounty's map |
| 20:44.11 | Ahli | or no. that was choo choo rockets? |
| 20:44.12 | zenxu | you ever visit EU bnet? |
| 20:44.18 | tordy | choo choo |
| 20:44.23 | Kueken | bounty made like a bazillion maps |
| 20:44.33 | zenxu | cause we got kobold tribers and magic rpg and beast commanders here ^^ |
| 20:44.35 | Blizz-Deletarius | I do zen, but mostly for melee |
| 20:44.48 | Blizz-Deletarius | same with KR |
| 20:44.55 | Taintedwisp | hey Vailreth, I think Imma Re-Texture Tassadar, does he have an attack animation? |
| 20:44.57 | Saltpeter | What does it take to visit the EU/KR/SEA servers? |
| 20:45.03 | Zolden | have you guys tried that Colonial line wars tug of war map? |
| 20:45.07 | Saltpeter | Yes. |
| 20:45.08 | Vailreth | not sure |
| 20:45.08 | Bommes | how high are you in ladder deletarius? |
| 20:45.08 | Kueken | tassadar has a nice animation set |
| 20:45.09 | tordy | the only competitive game ive been playing nowadays is CS |
| 20:45.12 | Blizz-Deletarius | an account on those servers salt |
| 20:45.15 | Taintedwisp | kk |
| 20:45.15 | zenxu | ah yes colonial line wars is a great one too |
| 20:45.19 | tordy | everything else is just screwin around |
| 20:45.21 | Saltpeter | Colonial Line Wars is pretty good, but it's too simple. |
| 20:45.28 | Saltpeter | Ah. |
| 20:45.30 | Zolden | yeah |
| 20:45.32 | Kueken | and he looks awesome if you retexture his energy glow |
| 20:45.33 | zenxu | Its best tug of war in my opinion |
| 20:45.38 | Saltpeter | Sadly, it is. |
| 20:45.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | Bommes, let's say I'm GM on one of the ladders |
| 20:45.40 | zenxu | I like it better than desert strike |
| 20:45.49 | Zolden | it's simple when you know what units counter what units, yes |
| 20:46.03 | Saltpeter | Roaches counter almost everything that people like to do early game. |
| 20:46.16 | Bommes | And no one could ever imagine what ladder that is! :D |
| 20:46.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | I've played desert strike as well, and that snake queen following thing - played that over a year ago |
| 20:46.21 | Zolden | true :) |
| 20:46.23 | Saltpeter | They counter lings, the counter rines, they counter hydras, they counter reapers, the counter marauders. |
| 20:46.39 | Bommes | nice though, I gave up before I could get to GM :( |
| 20:46.41 | Saltpeter | They're about even with firebats, too. |
| 20:46.50 | Blizz-Deletarius | also, the main reason why I didn't in the past play a lot of custom games is because my computer couldn't handle it |
| 20:46.53 | Zolden | marauders actually counter roaches, they are awful :) |
| 20:46.55 | zenxu | and you play mafia? atleast they told in blizzcon blizzard enjoys mafia :D |
| 20:47.04 | Saltpeter | Marauders don't do bonus against roaches in CLW. |
| 20:47.09 | Saltpeter | They do the same damage. |
| 20:47.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | I've only played real life mafia, where you use playing cards |
| 20:47.14 | Saltpeter | Rauders may have slightly more hp. |
| 20:47.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | never played the sc2 version |
| 20:47.18 | tordy | blizz is it doable to add ranked matchmaking for every custom map that supports it? |
| 20:47.20 | Zolden | why do they counter then? very effective |
| 20:47.21 | Kueken | Taintedwisp: maybe this is helpful for you, dunno |
| 20:47.23 | Kueken | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/art-assets/35299-team-colored-preserver/ |
| 20:47.33 | Zolden | like if you see marauder - just forget about roaches |
| 20:47.35 | Blizz-Deletarius | I have no idea what the implications for that would be tordy |
| 20:47.35 | Kueken | the preserver uses the same texture tassadar does |
| 20:47.36 | Saltpeter | Because they're cheaper to make. |
| 20:47.58 | Taintedwisp | ooo yeah I like those Kueken |
| 20:47.58 | Zolden | oh, i'd kick your roaches with marauders so hard! |
| 20:48.03 | tordy | the main problem with ranked matchmaking is you need players |
| 20:48.05 | Zolden | oh, wait, u're on us |
| 20:48.07 | Saltpeter | I never stay on roaches. |
| 20:48.07 | tordy | lots of them to get reliable ranking |
| 20:48.09 | Taintedwisp | Much better then my Textrues would have been |
| 20:48.27 | zenxu | Blizz-Deletarius: my idea has been for long that you could just get bank stats to lobby and make game variants for different ranked people that you could set in banks |
| 20:48.27 | tordy | so it only really only works for really popular maps else you'll be playing agaisnt the same players over and over again |
| 20:48.39 | Saltpeter | I go ling, roach, muta, ultra, archon. |
| 20:48.46 | Zolden | right, they roaches are just a good thing to have a starting adventage |
| 20:48.52 | zenxu | but as always my awesome ideas just remain in the chat logs |
| 20:48.58 | tordy | whatever happaned to that bank proposal |
| 20:49.01 | tordy | where's zelda when you need em :[ |
| 20:49.02 | Saltpeter | People always spam ground-only units when they see roaches. |
| 20:49.08 | Saltpeter | So I get Mutas. |
| 20:49.08 | Zolden | strange combination, never saw this |
| 20:49.17 | Zolden | but muta is weak i'd say |
| 20:49.30 | Zolden | but vs noobs it's good |
| 20:49.44 | Saltpeter | One of the neat things about CLW is that later on in the game you have to destrpy old production to get better units./ |
| 20:49.54 | zenxu | I still think thou that the game variants are kinda weird and misuesd thing |
| 20:49.56 | Saltpeter | Mutas are mostly a crutch until archons. |
| 20:50.01 | zenxu | like it messes with played hours |
| 20:50.04 | Zolden | you know what, marauders weren't good vs roaches because you have lings, they consume some missiles |
| 20:50.12 | Saltpeter | :3 |
| 20:50.28 | Saltpeter | My strategy is to maintain two beacons while upping income. |
| 20:50.51 | mille25 | hey dele, take a look at the last post here: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6398870180?page=3 |
| 20:50.54 | Saltpeter | To stay an inch ahead of the enemy in income, but never provoking them to mass units. |
| 20:51.04 | Taintedwisp | Kueken will it glow on lower settings like that? |
| 20:51.06 | Saltpeter | Keep them investing, so I can stay ahead. |
| 20:51.07 | Zolden | would be fun to play vs you... |
| 20:51.14 | Saltpeter | Or with me. :D |
| 20:51.23 | Zolden | do they plan to merge the servers or something like this? |
| 20:51.30 | Kueken | Taintedwisp: no, probably not |
| 20:51.38 | Taintedwisp | Damn.. lol |
| 20:51.40 | tordy | mille25 it's prob some server-side thing |
| 20:51.48 | Taintedwisp | Will it still be team colored? |
| 20:51.49 | Zolden | oh yeah, investing is the thing :) |
| 20:51.53 | Kueken | they would look like the picture in the 3rd post or something |
| 20:52.00 | zenxu | someone said it was something to do with "create unit function change" |
| 20:52.02 | tordy | blizz does server-side updates all the time that can change gameplay |
| 20:52.02 | zenxu | in 1.5 |
| 20:52.11 | zenxu | but it was never confirmed and more of assumption |
| 20:52.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | replied |
| 20:52.24 | mille25 | thanks :) |
| 20:52.38 | Zolden | salpeter, you haven't answered, what's on your userpic at forum? |
| 20:52.47 | FockeWulf | Whoa Zolden |
| 20:52.49 | Saltpeter | Oh. |
| 20:52.49 | tordy | keepin in brief blizz :] |
| 20:52.53 | Saltpeter | That's the Earth. |
| 20:52.59 | FockeWulf | Hows it going Zolden |
| 20:53.04 | FockeWulf | You are up late :P |
| 20:53.08 | Saltpeter | From about 100 million miles away. |
| 20:53.25 | Saltpeter | Or 10 million. |
| 20:53.35 | Saltpeter | The famous Pale Blue Dot photo. |
| 20:53.43 | mille25 | im still wondering what exactly happened... im aware that they can change stuff like balance without patching the client by modifying the mod files, but i wasnt aware that they can do fixes like this |
| 20:53.53 | Saltpeter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_blue_dot |
| 20:53.57 | Kueken | like D3 hotfixes |
| 20:54.15 | Saltpeter | 3.7 billion miles |
| 20:54.56 | Kueken | its probably due to the new streaming technology |
| 20:55.08 | mille25 | maybe it was some sort of data problem that could be fixed by editing the default mods or smth |
| 20:55.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | yeap tordy :) |
| 20:55.19 | Ahli | I wonder if those changes make replays unable to be played ;D |
| 20:55.22 | Kueken | they change some numbers on their server files and the clients just stream them without really installing a patch |
| 20:55.25 | Blizz-Deletarius | nope ahli |
| 20:55.58 | Bibendus | dele |
| 20:56.12 | Bibendus | what will happen to removed unit's models? |
| 20:56.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | basically we had some things in place that were trying to find the causes of desyncs, those things were accidentally left on a day or 2 more than they should have been, and were turned off |
| 20:56.26 | Kueken | I want warhound in editor! |
| 20:56.33 | Bibendus | ye me too |
| 20:56.40 | mille25 | if i remember correctly, hotfixes for wow or d3 are mostly changes to spell mechanics, that can be made without patching the client because the spell script is actually stored at their servers, however they need to make client patches to change tooltips for example. |
| 20:56.57 | Vailreth | is there a generic way to get the command button array of abilities |
| 20:57.06 | Kueken | catalogs |
| 20:57.07 | mille25 | ah interresting |
| 20:57.08 | Kueken | :D |
| 20:57.12 | Vailreth | hah |
| 20:57.25 | mille25 | btw, dele, did you already get any new information regarding the fps problems some people encountered after 1.5? |
| 20:57.36 | Vailreth | i am using catalogs and it requires a specifc scope |
| 20:57.39 | mille25 | didnt hear much for the last couple of weeks |
| 20:57.56 | Vailreth | each ability type is its own scope... |
| 20:57.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnno? I passed along what was posted in the thread, but, other than that I haven't received anything else |
| 20:58.37 | Bibendus | and what about the deleted unit's models? |
| 20:58.38 | Bibendus | :P |
| 20:58.47 | Ahli | *scrapped |
| 20:59.00 | Taintedwisp | Yo Vailreth Can you move The Side ability dialog to the Right side of the screen on the other side of the unit? |
| 20:59.07 | Taintedwisp | I like how Prototype 5 looks |
| 20:59.32 | Blizz-Deletarius | what do you mean deleted unit's models? |
| 20:59.41 | Vailreth | yes i was intending on having the ability dialog on the right side of the unit |
| 20:59.44 | Ahli | *scrapped unit models in development |
| 20:59.46 | Bibendus | like the warhound |
| 20:59.55 | Bibendus | will the models be removed from the editor? |
| 21:00.00 | Bibendus | because we would like to use these models :P |
| 21:00.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | the warhound is still "in the game" you just can't make it in a melee game |
| 21:00.10 | Bibendus | there were some models that were removed in sc2 vanilla |
| 21:00.14 | Bommes | Wait, the new Creep Engulfment thing also works on Doodads, right? |
| 21:00.17 | Bommes | not only on buildings |
| 21:00.18 | Blizz-Deletarius | just like the lurker and scout and scourge |
| 21:00.24 | Bibendus | and I fear that some models could be removed |
| 21:00.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | they're in the editor |
| 21:00.33 | Kueken | if they decide to scrap the warhound completely and it never comes back to multiplayer, will it still be available in the editor? |
| 21:00.36 | Bibendus | but in early beta I think there were some other models |
| 21:00.39 | Kueken | okay |
| 21:00.41 | Kueken | nvm then |
| 21:00.44 | Bibendus | maybe they weren't enough high quality |
| 21:00.47 | tordy | we always like more models blizz, dont scrap them completely! |
| 21:00.51 | Kueken | yeah, some early beta models got lost |
| 21:00.59 | Bibendus | and we would have loved to use them |
| 21:01.00 | Kueken | like soul hunter or what it was called |
| 21:01.04 | Bibendus | y |
| 21:01.24 | tordy | even if they're unpolished, i could still use em |
| 21:01.31 | Bibendus | better then nothing |
| 21:01.35 | tordy | just to add some diversity in units |
| 21:02.16 | tordy | Blizz-Deletarius you happen to still have those really old beta models? |
| 21:02.25 | tordy | like the reaver |
| 21:02.36 | Bibendus | me wants |
| 21:04.32 | Ahli | with plugin, the community could refine those old models ;) |
| 21:04.47 | Bibendus | give uz old models :P |
| 21:04.55 | Bibendus | u ll never use them anyway :D |
| 21:05.12 | Bibendus | I think they kept the models away to maybe use them in later expansions |
| 21:05.53 | Blizz-Deletarius | aren't they in 1.5.2? |
| 21:06.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | I could've sworn they were? |
| 21:06.26 | Bibendus | what? reavers? :D |
| 21:06.33 | Bibendus | or soul hunters? |
| 21:06.48 | Blizz-Deletarius | well I know lurkers, scourge, scouts, etc are in the editor |
| 21:07.02 | Ahli | scout is used in campaign |
| 21:07.04 | Bibendus | but there were other old early beta units |
| 21:07.05 | Bibendus | that disappeared |
| 21:07.13 | Ahli | scourge, too |
| 21:07.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | the reaver model is in the game...unlesssssssss that was just one that someone made |
| 21:07.25 | Ahli | someone made that |
| 21:07.26 | Taintedwisp | the Reaver is just what someone made |
| 21:07.31 | Blizz-Deletarius | gotcha |
| 21:07.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | yea, cause I saw it in Pilots |
| 21:07.41 | Bibendus | and the soul thing? |
| 21:07.43 | tordy | no there's definately an official reaver |
| 21:07.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | soul hunterrrrrr |
| 21:07.55 | Bibendus | soul hunter? |
| 21:08.04 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:08.26 | Blizz-Deletarius | yea, not in there, sorry |
| 21:08.35 | Blizz-Deletarius | basically, if it's in there, you'd know |
| 21:08.36 | Bibendus | why did it disappear? |
| 21:08.46 | Bibendus | and I think there was a different older model for sentries too |
| 21:08.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | probably because it wasn't being used |
| 21:08.55 | Bibendus | ye but we would use them :P |
| 21:08.57 | Taintedwisp | LOL sould hunter... |
| 21:08.58 | Bibendus | that's why I'm asking |
| 21:08.58 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 21:09.08 | Bibendus | what will happen to units that get removed |
| 21:09.18 | Bibendus | plz don't remove models from the editor, we want to use them :P |
| 21:09.31 | Blizz-Deletarius | the thing is though |
| 21:09.37 | Ahli | just throw all the trash into some mpq ^^ |
| 21:09.37 | Blizz-Deletarius | again, the warhound isn't removed from the game |
| 21:09.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | you just can't make them |
| 21:09.42 | Blizz-Deletarius | in-game |
| 21:09.43 | Taintedwisp | Hey Blizz-Deletarius I have a new Editor request then, Can we get ALL scrapped assets that wont be used in their current form in a File on Battle.net and Call it, Editors Fun Pack or something |
| 21:09.52 | Bibendus | oh yeah |
| 21:09.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | post it up on the suggestions thread |
| 21:09.58 | Taintedwisp | kk |
| 21:09.59 | Bibendus | any possibility to see the old removed models back? |
| 21:10.04 | Blizz-Deletarius | post it up on the suggestions thread |
| 21:10.11 | Bibendus | mmm :P |
| 21:10.19 | tordy | check this out |
| 21:10.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | the reason why I'm saying that is |
| 21:10.20 | Bibendus | anyone with a deep knowledge of all sc2 old units removed? |
| 21:10.21 | tordy | http://sc2armory.com/files/screenshots/74.jpg |
| 21:10.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | and say |
| 21:10.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | because I can actually point to that thread |
| 21:10.31 | tordy | official reaver model right there |
| 21:10.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | "look what the community wants" |
| 21:10.39 | Bibendus | lolz |
| 21:10.41 | Bibendus | and |
| 21:10.42 | Bibendus | the portals |
| 21:10.48 | Bibendus | gateways |
| 21:10.56 | tordy | can tell by the tank models, that ones a while ago |
| 21:10.58 | Bibendus | btw I think they would look horrible |
| 21:11.03 | Bibendus | with the current style |
| 21:11.06 | Bibendus | but the protoss tanks are cool |
| 21:11.08 | Bibendus | oh |
| 21:11.10 | tordy | still want em :p |
| 21:11.11 | Bibendus | are these zealots? |
| 21:11.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | soul hunters |
| 21:11.18 | Ahli | so much blood |
| 21:11.21 | Bibendus | niceeee |
| 21:11.22 | tordy | yea soul hunters right there too |
| 21:11.34 | Bibendus | so who's posting in the suggestion thread? |
| 21:11.46 | tordy | like little ship bike protoss things |
| 21:11.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | the other things might be twilight archons |
| 21:11.50 | Bibendus | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6307501153 |
| 21:11.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | yea those are soul hunters |
| 21:11.54 | Bibendus | ! |
| 21:11.59 | Bibendus | did they exist? |
| 21:12.06 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes |
| 21:12.09 | Taintedwisp | I would also Love to have those old Tank models and such |
| 21:12.14 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:12.19 | Bibendus | http://www.iccup.com/upload/images/news/news_images/Twilight_Archon_Model_SC2.jpg |
| 21:12.21 | Bibendus | these? |
| 21:12.32 | Blizz-Deletarius | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldpYvYd_zT4 |
| 21:12.34 | Blizz-Deletarius | there |
| 21:12.35 | Ahli | the one with legs ;D |
| 21:12.46 | tordy | yea |
| 21:12.54 | tordy | you guys still have those models? |
| 21:13.03 | Bibendus | they should |
| 21:13.12 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:13.18 | Ahli | mushroom doodadds I see |
| 21:13.20 | Bibendus | aw some models look crappy :D |
| 21:13.21 | tordy | lots of protoss models |
| 21:13.28 | tordy | prob saving for legacy of the void or soemthing |
| 21:13.30 | Ahli | I want mushroom doodads |
| 21:13.41 | Taintedwisp | I think that tempest was better then the Carrier and the new Tempest.. |
| 21:13.44 | Taintedwisp | SHould have kept it |
| 21:13.49 | Vailreth | any one know of a way ti view where a vairable is used in the trigger that uses it ? i cant find where the variable is being used in the trigger the editor claims is using it |
| 21:14.08 | Bibendus | lol |
| 21:14.10 | Bibendus | relocating cannons :D |
| 21:15.07 | tordy | was hoping blizz would give us those models :[ |
| 21:15.07 | Ahli | oh no, those were rocks |
| 21:15.21 | tordy | *allow us to use them |
| 21:15.25 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
| 21:15.27 | Taintedwisp | Me too Tordy |
| 21:15.36 | Saltpeter | New editor question. D: |
| 21:15.41 | Zolden | i want weeds doodads |
| 21:15.49 | Saltpeter | The spines in my tower are periodically standing up. |
| 21:15.54 | tordy | archon w/ legs could be an evolution or something |
| 21:15.55 | Bibendus | just support the thing in the thread I linked |
| 21:15.57 | Saltpeter | I want them to stay burrowed. D: |
| 21:16.01 | Bibendus | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6307501153 |
| 21:16.10 | tordy | could be used as doodads for just decorating battles and stuff |
| 21:17.07 | Ahli | evolution from physical -> half physical, half energy -> more physical, partially energy? |
| 21:17.27 | Taintedwisp | DT + HT > Archon> Preserver. |
| 21:17.29 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 21:17.44 | Taintedwisp | Thats how that evolution works |
| 21:17.49 | *** join/#sc2mapster peq (~media@p5086660F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:18.07 | Taintedwisp | Zealot>Dragoon>Immortal |
| 21:18.12 | Bibendus | guys |
| 21:18.18 | Bibendus | tell me what was lost |
| 21:18.25 | Bibendus | from the early beta |
| 21:18.38 | Bibendus | reavers, twilight archons, soul hunters |
| 21:18.40 | Blizz-Artestru | 1 supply roaches! |
| 21:18.46 | Bibendus | xD |
| 21:18.48 | Bibendus | models :P |
| 21:18.49 | Blizz-Artestru | Roaches were 1 supply and could hit air at one point. |
| 21:18.50 | Saltpeter | Oh god. |
| 21:18.51 | Ahli | he means alpha ;D |
| 21:18.54 | Saltpeter | Stephano would have a field day. |
| 21:18.54 | Blizz-Artestru | Oh models. |
| 21:18.57 | Bibendus | I mean models :P |
| 21:19.23 | Blizz-Artestru | Any models that weren't released were only not released because they weren't finished. |
| 21:19.37 | tordy | can we use em anyway? |
| 21:20.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | you mean you don't want to learn how to model in 3d and do it yourself? :) |
| 21:20.06 | Bibendus | http://sc2armory.com/files/screenshots/73.jpg |
| 21:20.06 | Zolden | Bibendus, why do you need those models, we'll get the art tools to make our own! |
| 21:20.08 | Bibendus | lol the mutalisks :P |
| 21:20.11 | Blizz-Artestru | Some weren't animated, some didn't have all texture slots, etc. |
| 21:20.16 | Blizz-Artestru | They wouldn't look very good in the engine |
| 21:20.22 | Bibendus | zolden do you know how much time you need to make a model of this quality? |
| 21:20.26 | Bibendus | with animations and everything? |
| 21:20.46 | Bibendus | ah whatever we want them :D |
| 21:20.57 | mille25 | hey btw, is there any new patch for WOL on the way soon? im really waiting for some important fixes =/ |
| 21:20.59 | Bibendus | at least someone can edit them |
| 21:21.02 | Bibendus | and fix missing things |
| 21:21.49 | zenxu | what was fatty originally used for, just as an infestor? |
| 21:22.01 | Bibendus | infestor |
| 21:22.04 | Blizz-Artestru | Yeah |
| 21:22.11 | Bibendus | did it have |
| 21:22.14 | Bibendus | swarm of insects |
| 21:22.19 | Bibendus | and vomit bile or something like that? |
| 21:22.27 | Blizz-Artestru | I remember a vomit infestation ability. |
| 21:22.33 | Ahli | did you fix the empty dialog item tooltip thing that stays on screen in your inhouse version? |
| 21:22.56 | Blizz-Artestru | Mille25: Which fix in particular? |
| 21:23.13 | mille25 | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6470437004 |
| 21:23.16 | mille25 | especially this :( |
| 21:23.31 | Ahli | they patched that for hots >_> |
| 21:24.02 | mille25 | well... but i need it for WOL :D |
| 21:24.58 | Bibendus | http://sc2armory.com/files/screenshots/20.jpg |
| 21:25.07 | Bibendus | is this spell effect still available? |
| 21:25.15 | mille25 | since it pretty much sounded like the blues already have some sort of fix for that issue in place i was hoping for a quick patch |
| 21:25.47 | tordy | old alpha/beta pics look so colorful and saturated |
| 21:26.07 | tordy | noticed that was similar to other games too |
| 21:26.20 | tordy | like the box pictures always look more saturated |
| 21:26.31 | Zolden | oh yeah, i'd eat that battlecruise from that pic |
| 21:26.48 | mille25 | Ahli: are you sure this issue is resolved in the hots build? |
| 21:26.59 | mille25 | didnt really use the hots editor yet |
| 21:27.55 | Bibendus | http://sc2armory.com/files/screenshots/53.jpg |
| 21:27.57 | Ahli | someone told me that messing with my map works fine in the hots editor (they got it for testing). |
| 21:27.58 | Bibendus | what's this red pylon? |
| 21:28.54 | Ahli | that was yesterday and deletarius after I had to wait like 8 minutes to copy 12 variables and 10 minutes to copy the actions from one function to another. |
| 21:29.08 | Ahli | player colored crystal |
| 21:29.19 | mille25 | rofl thats horrible ahli =/ |
| 21:29.30 | mille25 | this sort of stuff is really annoying me |
| 21:29.30 | Ahli | more time to browse internet |
| 21:29.36 | mille25 | like, you just wanna make a quick change |
| 21:29.46 | mille25 | and it takes forever |
| 21:30.12 | Ahli | if you need to change bigger things and each change takes like 30 seconds to be done in the editor, you might just want to copy the function. Editing the copy is fast |
| 21:30.33 | Ahli | just transfering the code into the old function is very slow again |
| 21:30.41 | Ahli | that's why I had to wait that long |
| 21:30.50 | mille25 | lol |
| 21:30.51 | Blizz-Artestru | Wow I totally forgot about overload. |
| 21:31.03 | Ahli | 60 damage siege tank >_> |
| 21:31.24 | FockeWulf | What overload? |
| 21:31.34 | Blizz-Artestru | That phoenix ability |
| 21:31.46 | Bibendus | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6307501153?page=4#74 |
| 21:31.46 | FockeWulf | ah |
| 21:31.50 | Bibendus | ok artes |
| 21:31.56 | Bibendus | I added the suggestion |
| 21:32.03 | Blizz-Artestru | Thanks |
| 21:32.04 | Ahli | this is overload http://sc2armory.com/files/screenshots/20.jpg |
| 21:32.22 | Bibendus | is it still available? |
| 21:32.45 | Ahli | marines have no bayonett anymore :S |
| 21:32.47 | tordy | remember how awesome the mothership was? |
| 21:32.51 | tordy | planet cracker |
| 21:32.58 | tordy | and that tiem slow ability |
| 21:33.03 | tordy | that slows projectiles |
| 21:33.05 | Bibendus | ahli |
| 21:33.07 | mille25 | Blizz-Artestru: so... any updates for wol in sight fixing the editor lag issue? =/ |
| 21:33.08 | tordy | dont even know how to make that |
| 21:33.10 | Bibendus | is the overload still available? |
| 21:33.14 | Ahli | no |
| 21:33.28 | Ahli | to 99% no |
| 21:33.28 | Bibendus | ok edited the thread |
| 21:33.32 | Blizz-Artestru | Which editor lag issue? |
| 21:33.44 | Ahli | copy paste taking forever |
| 21:33.50 | mille25 | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6470437004 |
| 21:33.51 | Bibendus | it's not laggin for me |
| 21:33.59 | mille25 | with video proof! |
| 21:34.01 | Ahli | add more code to your map ;D |
| 21:34.04 | Bibendus | are u writing |
| 21:34.05 | Bibendus | in galaxy? |
| 21:34.08 | Ahli | GUI lags |
| 21:34.17 | Bibendus | should I add even more? |
| 21:34.24 | Bibendus | I already haz 14 mb of scripts :| |
| 21:34.24 | Ahli | yes |
| 21:34.55 | Zolden | 14mb of scripts? ;/ |
| 21:34.55 | FockeWulf | I had a long chat with Deletarius yesterday. I hope I got some points across. We'll see. |
| 21:35.31 | mille25 | i dont think its really about the amount of code |
| 21:35.35 | mille25 | its much more like a weird gui glitch |
| 21:35.49 | tordy | what gui glitch |
| 21:35.58 | mille25 | well... the lag |
| 21:36.01 | Bibendus | http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6884/hivekeeperoverviewmanag.jpg |
| 21:36.14 | Bibendus | this is a bit old |
| 21:36.21 | Ahli | is that in the overview thing? |
| 21:36.24 | Ahli | bibendus |
| 21:36.42 | tordy | 7000 actions 1600 variables |
| 21:36.45 | Bibendus | yes |
| 21:36.47 | tordy | :o |
| 21:36.52 | Ahli | I've had there 35.4mb some time ago |
| 21:36.56 | Bibendus | now it's 14,3 mb |
| 21:37.11 | Bibendus | but you have a lot of copy paste |
| 21:37.12 | Bibendus | ah :P |
| 21:37.13 | FockeWulf | wtf you using that many triggers for? |
| 21:37.23 | Bibendus | to make an entirely new game :| |
| 21:37.28 | Ahli | indeed |
| 21:37.34 | Bibendus | a lot of AI and more |
| 21:37.38 | FockeWulf | What kind of new game?> |
| 21:37.44 | mille25 | i dont even wanna say how big the scu script is lol |
| 21:37.46 | Bibendus | dungeon keeper |
| 21:37.46 | Bommes | over 2400 conditions is quite a bit |
| 21:37.52 | Ahli | a lot of dungeon generation and functions that return item data :S |
| 21:38.10 | mille25 | id be glad if it was smaller :( |
| 21:38.20 | Ahli | my map stats are here in the file stats section of the first post: http://www.staredit.net/topic/13323/0/ |
| 21:38.28 | Bibendus | and how many functions and triggers u haz |
| 21:38.36 | tordy | hello Ahli |
| 21:38.49 | Bibendus | oh u haz a lot of items |
| 21:39.17 | Bibendus | where are the stats' |
| 21:39.20 | FockeWulf | Well in order to get around actor lag issues I'm doing stuff like this: |
| 21:39.25 | FockeWulf | http://s1088.photobucket.com/albums/i333/marshallwellington/?action=view¤t=Render_2.jpg |
| 21:39.34 | FockeWulf | For mine. |
| 21:40.08 | Ahli | what shall a non-modeller see there? |
| 21:40.11 | Vailreth | Taintedwisp im almost ready to port over the character select to final map, how is SoulCareRR coming with it? |
| 21:40.33 | Bibendus | a tank |
| 21:40.35 | Taintedwisp | Dunno vailreth, havent talked to him since yesterday |
| 21:40.37 | Bibendus | xD |
| 21:40.39 | Ahli | ;D |
| 21:40.44 | Vailreth | ah |
| 21:40.45 | Bibendus | I see a tank! |
| 21:40.47 | Taintedwisp | He was working on those bugs last time I checked |
| 21:40.55 | Bommes | Ahli: Over 1400 Comments |
| 21:40.55 | Ahli | looking awesome focke |
| 21:40.58 | Bommes | I'm proud of you! |
| 21:41.01 | FockeWulf | M4A3E8 Sherman |
| 21:41.11 | mille25 | real programmers dont need comments! :D |
| 21:41.27 | FockeWulf | Who has 1400 comments? |
| 21:41.37 | Ahli | the most important thing is my customValues.txt file anyway... |
| 21:41.39 | Bommes | Ahli in his diablo map |
| 21:41.45 | FockeWulf | ah |
| 21:41.47 | Bibendus | btw ahli |
| 21:41.56 | mille25 | custom values text file? |
| 21:42.02 | Bibendus | what are your map stats then :P |
| 21:42.10 | Bibendus | noone shal beat me |
| 21:42.11 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:42.18 | FockeWulf | But oh would I would give for even an alpha version of the art tools >.> |
| 21:42.26 | Ahli | I can't keep track which custom value is what for which unit type |
| 21:42.29 | Bommes | Bibendus: He posted the link |
| 21:42.32 | Bommes | under file stats |
| 21:42.35 | Bommes | you have to click that box |
| 21:42.57 | Bibendus | I couldnt find it |
| 21:43.00 | Saltpeter | Need help with my tower again. D: The spines keep uprooting and burrowing again. |
| 21:43.01 | Zolden | what customvalues txt does? |
| 21:43.06 | Saltpeter | Here's what the events look like. |
| 21:43.06 | Saltpeter | http://clip2net.com/s/2iJTS |
| 21:43.08 | Bommes | under the youtube videos |
| 21:43.11 | Bibendus | OOO fuck |
| 21:43.13 | Bibendus | it was on the right |
| 21:43.18 | Bibendus | stupid wide screen :D |
| 21:43.19 | mille25 | btw |
| 21:43.19 | mille25 | today |
| 21:43.21 | mille25 | i benchmarked |
| 21:43.24 | mille25 | custom value read |
| 21:43.27 | mille25 | vs buff count read |
| 21:43.40 | mille25 | i thought buff count read is alot slower |
| 21:43.46 | mille25 | but actually its just about 20% slower |
| 21:43.48 | Bommes | Ahli: How does your game data field look like? |
| 21:43.53 | Bommes | effects etc |
| 21:43.56 | mille25 | if you convert a custom value to int, its even slower than reading buff count |
| 21:44.05 | Ahli | not big ;D |
| 21:44.06 | Bommes | in size |
| 21:44.10 | Bibendus | the problem is that I can't see ohow well the code is optimized :P |
| 21:44.26 | Ahli | I'm not on my desktop, so I don't know :S I can look that up tomorrow |
| 21:44.29 | mille25 | actually i was surprised how slow FixedToInt is |
| 21:44.57 | Ahli | mille25 really? oh wow ;D |
| 21:45.15 | mille25 | yeah im constantly optimizing SCU source code |
| 21:45.20 | mille25 | thats why im doing crap like this |
| 21:45.20 | mille25 | lol |
| 21:45.40 | Bibendus | btw guys |
| 21:45.41 | Ahli | anyway, my map has a good performance after my performance improvements during the last year. |
| 21:45.44 | tordy | FixedToInt slow? thanks for the tip! |
| 21:45.50 | Bibendus | if you are interested I'll make a tutorial for dialogs attached to units |
| 21:45.51 | Zolden | salpeter, what's going on in those events? and what you want? maybe i'll have an idea |
| 21:45.57 | mille25 | i thought i could gain some performance by recoding some buffs to custom values, but i was wrong. |
| 21:45.58 | Bibendus | using the new custom status bars feature |
| 21:46.00 | tordy | any other optimization tips? |
| 21:46.09 | Bibendus | hoping someone needs it |
| 21:46.15 | Bibendus | I think I was the only one needing it xD |
| 21:46.22 | mille25 | im not saying its slow tordy |
| 21:46.27 | mille25 | im just saying its slower than i expected |
| 21:46.44 | tordy | how slow we talkin |
| 21:46.44 | Saltpeter | It's...kinda complicated. The tower has four spine weapons attached to it. They attack in sequence. I want them to stay burrowed while doing this, but the base of each spine is uprooting in sequence then reburrowing at the same rate it's attacking. |
| 21:46.49 | Bommes | Bibendus: I would be very interested |
| 21:47.19 | Saltpeter | This started when I gave the tower its death animation. |
| 21:47.26 | Bibendus | yee someone interested :P |
| 21:47.36 | Ahli | I would be interested in those performance results... also, are there any variable types in parameters good to be flagged as reference? |
| 21:47.42 | Saltpeter | I changed the ActorCreation event from AnimPlay Stand Burrow PlayForever to AnimBracketStart BSD. |
| 21:48.05 | Bibendus | I would really like to know |
| 21:48.07 | Zolden | what bsd means? i never use it |
| 21:48.08 | Bibendus | what BSD stands for |
| 21:48.09 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:48.12 | Bibendus | lol |
| 21:48.14 | Saltpeter | Birth STand Death. |
| 21:48.16 | Bommes | Birth Stand Death |
| 21:48.16 | Bibendus | it's in almost all actors |
| 21:48.18 | Bibendus | OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 21:48.20 | Bibendus | lol |
| 21:48.22 | Ahli | ;D |
| 21:48.26 | Zolden | ok |
| 21:48.28 | Bibendus | this enlightens my day |
| 21:48.35 | Saltpeter | In the case of these spines, it's {}, Stand Burrow, Death. |
| 21:48.38 | Zolden | so, what is wrong with those spines now? |
| 21:48.50 | Saltpeter | They're unburrowing in sequence. |
| 21:48.52 | mille25 | i dont have benchmarks for all sorts of functions, im just benchmarking what i personally want to know in that moment. |
| 21:49.08 | Saltpeter | They should stay burrowed for the duration of the tower's life. |
| 21:49.10 | mille25 | in general the most dangerous functions are catalog getters/setters |
| 21:49.13 | mille25 | and data table |
| 21:49.21 | Bibendus | why dangerous? |
| 21:49.28 | Bibendus | sync? |
| 21:49.30 | Ahli | data table becomes faster, if you used those values before |
| 21:49.36 | Zolden | you mean, they should neve unburrow, but they unburrow on attack? |
| 21:49.42 | Saltpeter | Yeah. |
| 21:49.44 | Ahli | I'm preloading 30 item saving slots per dungeon level because of that >_> |
| 21:49.48 | mille25 | no im talking about exec time. |
| 21:49.51 | mille25 | @bib |
| 21:49.59 | Saltpeter | They seem to unburrow out of sync with the attacks, too. |
| 21:50.05 | Bibendus | oh k |
| 21:50.10 | Bibendus | catalogs are slower I suppose |
| 21:50.12 | Bibendus | then variables |
| 21:50.14 | Bibendus | am I right? |
| 21:50.17 | mille25 | yeah about 10-20x |
| 21:50.18 | Saltpeter | I just want them to not unburrow. |
| 21:50.21 | Bibendus | kk |
| 21:50.29 | Bibendus | so I'm happy with my huge array of 128x128x25 |
| 21:50.31 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:50.36 | Ahli | variable should be the fastest you can get |
| 21:50.37 | mille25 | lol |
| 21:50.41 | mille25 | how many % globals bib? |
| 21:50.50 | Bibendus | where do I see it |
| 21:50.55 | Bibendus | because I know i'm pretty near the limit |
| 21:50.57 | mille25 | debug window. |
| 21:51.08 | Bibendus | where |
| 21:51.11 | Ahli | I've 19%. |
| 21:51.13 | mille25 | buttom right |
| 21:51.16 | Zolden | can it be because you have that effect ... start -> anim play attack attack? |
| 21:51.17 | mille25 | *bottom |
| 21:51.28 | Ahli | there is code, global and sometimes local |
| 21:51.39 | tordy | Ahli how do you deal with multiplayer and dungeon generation? |
| 21:51.44 | mille25 | in theory const vars should be the fastest you can get |
| 21:51.46 | mille25 | or literals |
| 21:51.50 | Bibendus | 57% |
| 21:51.50 | Bibendus | weird |
| 21:51.53 | Ahli | loading dialog image with text |
| 21:52.07 | mille25 | not bad |
| 21:52.07 | Bibendus | I was near the limit 1 year ago |
| 21:52.07 | mille25 | 57% is pretty high |
| 21:52.07 | tordy | like what if one player was on floor 3, the other floor 1 |
| 21:52.07 | Bibendus | does it mean I can increase it^? xD |
| 21:52.08 | Saltpeter | The first attack is the name of the animation, and attack is the specific animation selected. I don't think it has anything to do with the burrowing. |
| 21:52.14 | Bibendus | memory code 15% |
| 21:52.17 | Ahli | also, unload 5 units, wait short time, unload 5 more, etc |
| 21:52.18 | mille25 | yes. |
| 21:52.20 | Bibendus | globals 57 |
| 21:52.22 | mille25 | 57% means |
| 21:52.27 | mille25 | you have 43% left |
| 21:52.28 | Bibendus | did they increase it? |
| 21:52.28 | mille25 | haha |
| 21:52.32 | Bibendus | do not say :D |
| 21:52.32 | mille25 | globals no |
| 21:52.33 | mille25 | code yes |
| 21:52.38 | Bibendus | it's impossible |
| 21:52.44 | Bibendus | I remember that the game fucked up |
| 21:52.46 | mille25 | SCU did hit the script limit |
| 21:52.48 | Bibendus | if I just incerased my array |
| 21:52.49 | Bibendus | by 1 |
| 21:52.51 | mille25 | 1 week later 1.5 was released |
| 21:52.52 | Ahli | if a dungeon isn't used for 120s, it will be loaded into memory again |
| 21:52.54 | mille25 | it was scary. |
| 21:53.11 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:53.23 | Bibendus | what map is scu |
| 21:53.25 | Bibendus | damnit |
| 21:53.27 | Ahli | I still need to optimize it, when all players are in loading screen to tidy the whole map up (with faster speed) |
| 21:53.31 | Bibendus | use full names :P |
| 21:53.39 | Saltpeter | OOH. I think I have a solution. |
| 21:53.55 | Ahli | did you use computer slots, mille? |
| 21:53.59 | mille25 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mZNrzKLO5I |
| 21:54.02 | FockeWulf | StarCraft Universe. Its Sixen's sponsored project. |
| 21:54.05 | mille25 | @bib :P |
| 21:54.18 | Ahli | they use up more than 1mb of script. |
| 21:54.20 | Bibendus | oh k |
| 21:54.29 | Bibendus | world of warcraft style |
| 21:54.32 | Bibendus | y |
| 21:54.37 | Saltpeter | Ooh. |
| 21:54.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster RipperRoo (~RipperRoo@pC19F72D5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:54.49 | mille25 | huh? 1mn what who where? |
| 21:54.51 | Bibendus | how did u reach the limit? |
| 21:54.52 | mille25 | *mb |
| 21:55.01 | mille25 | with alot of script |
| 21:55.02 | mille25 | haha |
| 21:55.12 | Sixen | Starcraft Universe is my what? |
| 21:55.12 | Bibendus | computer slots use 1mb of scripts? wut? |
| 21:55.21 | Bibendus | sixen |
| 21:55.22 | Bibendus | ! |
| 21:55.26 | Bibendus | u never posted my videos! |
| 21:55.29 | Bibendus | may u be cursed :D |
| 21:55.33 | Sixen | ya gonna post it tonight actually |
| 21:55.38 | Ahli | computer in map -> computer script is loaded -> your script limit was about 2mb. Without computers you had 3mb before 1.5 |
| 21:55.42 | Bibendus | then may god bless you |
| 21:55.42 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:55.59 | tordy | who made SCU again |
| 21:56.01 | mille25 | AI uses 1mb? wtf? |
| 21:56.16 | Ahli | I was at the point that adding an AI in the lobby made the map not load the triggers |
| 21:56.25 | mille25 | oO |
| 21:56.33 | Ahli | so basically I've hit it, too (like darkrevenant did). |
| 21:56.47 | mille25 | yep DR hit it a long time ago |
| 21:57.00 | mille25 | he flamed alot in skype haha |
| 21:57.20 | tordy | i thought they greatly increased the script limit |
| 21:57.26 | mille25 | yes with 1.5 |
| 21:57.33 | tordy | oh ok |
| 21:57.38 | tordy | about how much more did they increase it? |
| 21:57.41 | mille25 | if anyone reaches the limit now.. well... he should just go outside. |
| 21:57.43 | Ahli | now the editor dies before you hit it ;D |
| 21:57.51 | Ahli | (might die) |
| 21:58.01 | tordy | cool now i finally make an ambitious RPG |
| 21:58.05 | mille25 | :D |
| 21:58.09 | Ahli | enjoy ;D |
| 21:58.11 | tordy | which i'll never finish |
| 21:58.47 | mille25 | even though most of the time you dont finish an RPG, i think you learn alot doing it |
| 21:58.50 | Zolden | tordy, what's your forum name? |
| 21:58.51 | mille25 | at least i always did |
| 21:58.52 | Ahli | http://media-titanium.cursecdn.com/attachments/42/719/634798639221257881.jpg |
| 21:59.15 | tordy | i just wanna finish something big for once |
| 21:59.26 | mille25 | it really helps to have a team, tordy |
| 21:59.29 | mille25 | at least one more person |
| 21:59.35 | mille25 | cause there is always smth done on the map |
| 21:59.38 | mille25 | that makes you wanna go further |
| 21:59.54 | Ahli | I started to add stuff I wrote for a university project.... the day I finished the database transfering code, I sat down in the evening and wrote down my dungeon level serialization system |
| 22:00.02 | mille25 | if you dont work for a week but the map changed alot during that time, thats very motivating |
| 22:00.18 | tordy | woah there's a 32 ability limit per unit? |
| 22:00.19 | tordy | oh man |
| 22:00.26 | tordy | gonna have to restructure stuffs |
| 22:00.28 | mille25 | you need more? :D |
| 22:00.36 | Bommes | tordy: you can change abilities with triggers though |
| 22:00.43 | tordy | i aws hoping there was a way for triggers to change abilties |
| 22:00.44 | tordy | %%% |
| 22:00.44 | Ahli | I don't need more than 5 in my map :S |
| 22:00.45 | tordy | ^^ |
| 22:00.48 | Bibendus | ye if you reach the limit |
| 22:00.53 | Bibendus | the triggers will just stop |
| 22:00.54 | Bibendus | :P |
| 22:01.02 | Bibendus | same that happened to me with the big array |
| 22:01.16 | mille25 | 128*128 rofl, im still laughing at this :D |
| 22:01.19 | Bommes | You can catalog change it if you make the abilities use a "Create Persistent" as baseline |
| 22:01.24 | mille25 | and that x20 or smth right? |
| 22:01.24 | Bommes | and the actual effect as the initial effect |
| 22:01.58 | Bommes | so for every ability you would have to set a persistent that is used as the initial effect that fires the whole chain |
| 22:02.17 | Bommes | because the initial effect of persistents is the only effect field that you can change via catalog field set triggers afaik |
| 22:02.32 | Ahli | and with behaviors you could control the buttons displayed on each command card slot |
| 22:02.34 | Bommes | which is kind of lame by the way |
| 22:03.15 | mille25 | sometimes i really miss some fields in the catalog value set function |
| 22:03.22 | mille25 | like collision radius, or clickable behavior |
| 22:03.31 | mille25 | but i guess its for technical reasons and not easy to change for them |
| 22:03.45 | tordy | are you using catalog to change abilities? |
| 22:03.55 | Bommes | yeah but being able to change the initial effect of a persistent but not for example the effect array in the set effect |
| 22:03.58 | Bommes | is just annoying |
| 22:03.58 | Bibendus | y |
| 22:04.06 | Bibendus | because i have 128x128 tiles |
| 22:04.10 | Bibendus | with a lot of properties |
| 22:04.24 | mille25 | still better than using units i guess |
| 22:04.24 | mille25 | haha |
| 22:04.29 | Bibendus | type, owner, attached units, actors, whatever |
| 22:04.34 | Bibendus | ye with units it would have exploded |
| 22:04.40 | mille25 | yeah |
| 22:04.44 | mille25 | there is nothing wrong with a big array |
| 22:04.50 | Ahli | I'm using units for that in my dungeon generation code. It's slow. :S |
| 22:04.50 | mille25 | as long as you dont hit the limit its fine. |
| 22:04.53 | Bibendus | fast to access |
| 22:05.03 | mille25 | however |
| 22:05.06 | Bibendus | considering I haz to work with coordinates hundred of times a second |
| 22:05.07 | mille25 | i would still love dynamic lists |
| 22:05.09 | mille25 | in the editor |
| 22:05.12 | mille25 | like unit groups |
| 22:05.13 | Bibendus | yes damnit |
| 22:05.15 | mille25 | but for all data types |
| 22:05.17 | mille25 | int |
| 22:05.18 | mille25 | real |
| 22:05.18 | mille25 | etc |
| 22:05.26 | mille25 | you could do amazing stuff. |
| 22:05.32 | Bibendus | I'm really bored of using strings separated by spaces :| |
| 22:05.47 | mille25 | +they are slow :D |
| 22:05.59 | Bibendus | oh Blizz-Artestru or Blizz-Deletarius is there any plan on allowing lists of variables? |
| 22:06.09 | Bibendus | ye but mines are not too big |
| 22:06.21 | mille25 | ive already posted in in the suggestions thread, bib |
| 22:06.38 | Ahli | me 2, mille. ALso, we can't add units in the first position in a unit group. I would like to have that. :S |
| 22:06.39 | mille25 | i tried to abuse player group as int lists |
| 22:06.42 | Bibendus | y |
| 22:06.45 | mille25 | but they are capped |
| 22:06.47 | Bibendus | but maybe they already planned it :P |
| 22:06.48 | mille25 | at 15 elements |
| 22:06.48 | mille25 | :D |
| 22:06.54 | Bibendus | lool |
| 22:06.59 | mille25 | also each element |
| 22:07.03 | mille25 | can just have 0-15 value |
| 22:07.06 | Bibendus | ye |
| 22:07.08 | mille25 | :'( |
| 22:07.08 | Bibendus | like players :P |
| 22:07.11 | mille25 | yeah... |
| 22:07.14 | mille25 | but its kinda stupid |
| 22:07.16 | mille25 | since its just an int. |
| 22:07.21 | tordy | is there to increase the # of unit attributes? right now there's 10 (bio, mech, light, armored, massive, etc) |
| 22:07.24 | Bibendus | yep a group of ints |
| 22:07.43 | Bibendus | it's 0.00 |
| 22:07.48 | Bibendus | and I did like 1 line of code |
| 22:07.48 | Bibendus | damnit |
| 22:07.53 | mille25 | how do you guys insert names so quickly into your messages? |
| 22:07.55 | Bommes | tordy: as a workaround you could use behaviors |
| 22:07.57 | Bibendus | wasted evening |
| 22:08.11 | tordy | bah workarounds |
| 22:08.15 | Bibendus | :P |
| 22:08.34 | Bommes | well 10 is already plenty |
| 22:08.39 | Bommes | for almost everything |
| 22:08.43 | Bibendus | aw sixen |
| 22:08.47 | Bibendus | zelda posted before u :D |
| 22:08.55 | Bommes | so having more isn't really necessary for most purposes |
| 22:09.21 | Bibendus | well |
| 22:09.24 | Bibendus | from this video on master |
| 22:09.24 | Bibendus | .. |
| 22:09.25 | tordy | good & plenty is the worst candy |
| 22:09.29 | Bibendus | I see a normal melee map? |
| 22:09.32 | Bibendus | wtf is that? |
| 22:09.35 | Zolden | how many custom variables units have btw? |
| 22:09.43 | Bibendus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBT2jMfvszE&feature=player_embedded |
| 22:09.49 | mille25 | custom values you mean, zolden? |
| 22:09.53 | Ahli | 0 to 63 |
| 22:09.56 | Ahli | zolden |
| 22:09.59 | Zolden | yeah |
| 22:10.03 | Zolden | cool ty |
| 22:11.07 | Saltpeter | Fixed! |
| 22:11.09 | mille25 | its nice to have mutliple now |
| 22:11.15 | mille25 | i think wc3 just had one custom value |
| 22:11.19 | mille25 | per unit |
| 22:11.26 | Zolden | what you changed salpheter? |
| 22:11.26 | Saltpeter | http://clip2net.com/s/2iK45 This was the solution. ^_^ |
| 22:11.33 | mille25 | im just not sure if i like the fact thats its a fixed, instead of an int. |
| 22:11.47 | Ahli | I can't imagine how people prefer to map in wc3 with those limitations :S |
| 22:11.59 | mille25 | well vjass was nice somehow |
| 22:12.04 | mille25 | at least thats what they told me. |
| 22:12.04 | Taintedwisp | YESSS |
| 22:12.05 | Zolden | fixed is better, because we can't store fixed in int |
| 22:12.08 | Taintedwisp | Just read the notes |
| 22:12.10 | Taintedwisp | CARRIER IS BACk |
| 22:12.11 | Taintedwisp | ahahah |
| 22:12.12 | Taintedwisp | YEAH |
| 22:12.22 | mille25 | in theory you can, zolden |
| 22:12.22 | tordy | ur late |
| 22:12.24 | mille25 | at least to some extend |
| 22:12.30 | Taintedwisp | Though Warhound was removed? Will they get another unit in place? |
| 22:12.42 | mille25 | you can mutliply it by for example 1000000 |
| 22:12.45 | mille25 | store it |
| 22:12.50 | FockeWulf | Hey zolden: http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i333/marshallwellington/Terrain024.jpg |
| 22:12.50 | mille25 | and then devide it by 1000000 on load |
| 22:12.52 | Ahli | I haven't mapped in wc3. I was a scbw mapper. :S |
| 22:12.53 | Zolden | in theory we can, but it's easier to store int in fixed than vice versa |
| 22:13.08 | mille25 | yes. but sometimes fixed sucks aswell |
| 22:13.10 | FockeWulf | You know what they should do? |
| 22:13.23 | mille25 | i personally mostly use custom value to find array indexes |
| 22:13.23 | FockeWulf | Make the carrier and the battle cruiser into what the mothership was |
| 22:13.27 | FockeWulf | super ships |
| 22:13.47 | FockeWulf | then make a new terrain cruiser/frigate to fill that gap. |
| 22:14.11 | mille25 | i guess it really depends though... fixed might be better for most people. |
| 22:14.18 | Zolden | mille, same, but still... |
| 22:14.21 | FockeWulf | Theoretically at least those ships are bug enough to fill half the map at least. |
| 22:14.24 | FockeWulf | big* |
| 22:20.17 | mille25 | hm im tired |
| 22:20.22 | mille25 | but nothing on TV |
| 22:20.24 | mille25 | D: |
| 22:20.40 | Zolden | tv? someone still uses it? |
| 22:20.44 | Zolden | it's internet era |
| 22:21.53 | mille25 | sometimes i prefer tv... for relaxing |
| 22:23.14 | Zolden | yeah, on tv you don't need to click on another youtube link every 5 minutes |
| 22:23.52 | mille25 | damn you, tv program (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ |
| 22:23.54 | Saltpeter | Whew. |
| 22:24.13 | Saltpeter | All the Quadspine Tower needs now is a birth animation, and I can worry about that later. |
| 22:24.28 | Zolden | what are those strange symbols mille? |
| 22:24.35 | tordy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.48 | Ahli | a table |
| 22:24.51 | Kueken | (00:07:55) mille25: how do you guys insert names so quickly into your messages? |
| 22:25.04 | Kueken | write the first few letters then press tab |
| 22:25.06 | Saltpeter | Alt-0176 = ° |
| 22:25.12 | tordy | Kueken: Ahli Zolden Saltpeter mille25 |
| 22:25.17 | Ahli | oh god that works on opera |
| 22:25.17 | Zolden | Kueken: |
| 22:25.18 | tordy | boop |
| 22:25.19 | Bibendus | my health petal is completed |
| 22:25.20 | Zolden | wow |
| 22:25.21 | Bibendus | yesss |
| 22:25.21 | Zolden | col |
| 22:25.23 | Ahli | thanks Kueken |
| 22:25.29 | Bibendus | health flower :| |
| 22:25.55 | mille25 | ah yeah it works, thanks Kueken |
| 22:26.20 | mille25 | now i can finally write: Blizz-Artestru or Blizz-Deletarius without going crazy :D |
| 22:26.30 | Zolden | :) |
| 22:26.39 | FockeWulf | Hey any of the Blizz guys here? I've got a serious issue affecting my most popular map right now and its not making sense. |
| 22:26.50 | mille25 | thnis makes me do this: ┬──┬ ¯\_(ツ) |
| 22:27.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | we're a bit busy atm looking at the hottest places in the world right now |
| 22:27.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | but |
| 22:27.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | what's going on? |
| 22:27.27 | FockeWulf | A behavior field seems to be breaking on me, *Seems*. |
| 22:27.44 | FockeWulf | The Stats: Maximum Stack Count to be specific. |
| 22:27.46 | Blizz-Deletarius | a field in the editor/ |
| 22:27.54 | Saltpeter | Oh crap. |
| 22:28.00 | Saltpeter | I forgot one other thing about the quadspine tower. |
| 22:28.07 | FockeWulf | If it set it to 1, I get 2 stacks |
| 22:28.07 | Bibendus | focke did you use more game variants? |
| 22:28.11 | mille25 | focke is like: (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ |
| 22:28.22 | FockeWulf | only one variant. |
| 22:28.26 | Bibendus | oh I tough |
| 22:28.29 | Bibendus | it was a popularity problem |
| 22:28.44 | FockeWulf | If it set it to to -1 I get infantry stacks |
| 22:28.47 | Zolden | some of those symbols are squares for me ;/ |
| 22:28.49 | Bibendus | why did you point at popularity if the issue is not related :P |
| 22:28.53 | Blizz-Artestru | Wow, that tab thing is brilliant. |
| 22:29.00 | Bibendus | what tab thing? |
| 22:29.02 | mille25 | lol :D |
| 22:29.07 | Saltpeter | So, when the missiles return to the tower, they bury themselves in the ground. |
| 22:29.08 | FockeWulf | If I set it to 0 I get the same amount of stats when I thought I should only be getting a single stack. |
| 22:29.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | start typing the name and press tab |
| 22:29.09 | Blizz-Artestru | For the names that mille25 mentioned. |
| 22:29.13 | Bibendus | oh ye |
| 22:29.14 | Bibendus | :P |
| 22:29.23 | Bibendus | for spamming you blizzguys it's required! |
| 22:29.27 | Blizz-Deletarius | like for me, type bl then tab 3x |
| 22:29.28 | mille25 | yeah i was wondering it all the time |
| 22:29.32 | Bibendus | Blizz-Artestru, Blizz-Deletarius :P |
| 22:29.34 | Blizz-Deletarius | yep |
| 22:29.35 | mille25 | now i can directly annoy the blizz people |
| 22:29.39 | mille25 | much easier! |
| 22:29.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | :boy who cried wolf: |
| 22:29.44 | Bibendus | ooh double tab |
| 22:29.44 | Blizz-Artestru | ./logout |
| 22:29.50 | Bibendus | Blizz-Artestru, Blizz-Deletarius |
| 22:29.51 | Bibendus | yee |
| 22:29.51 | mille25 | :'( |
| 22:29.52 | Bibendus | :P |
| 22:29.55 | FockeWulf | lol |
| 22:29.57 | Vailreth | http://www.gizmag.com/gauss-rifle-multistage-coilgun/23988/ |
| 22:29.59 | Bibendus | faster then ever! |
| 22:30.01 | Blizz-Artestru | Fortunately my sound is turned off! |
| 22:30.05 | mille25 | fuck! |
| 22:30.05 | FockeWulf | So pretty much that zero value is not working the way i thought it would. |
| 22:30.06 | Bibendus | nooo |
| 22:30.08 | mille25 | (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ |
| 22:30.14 | Bibendus | mine is not :P |
| 22:30.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | <-much less likely to check if it keeps blinking and people are just spamming to spam |
| 22:30.20 | Blizz-Artestru | Also I'm primarily on my other computer today. |
| 22:30.24 | Bibendus | you can get your revenge if u want |
| 22:31.18 | FockeWulf | Any ideas? |
| 22:31.29 | Zolden | does this chat make sounds? |
| 22:31.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | unfortunately no, please post it in the forum and we'll have someone take a look at it |
| 22:31.49 | mille25 | yes, if your name ( Zolden ) is part of the message |
| 22:32.24 | Ahli | you have no sound in opera's irc :D |
| 22:32.32 | mille25 | firefox ftw! |
| 22:32.34 | mille25 | even though |
| 22:32.38 | mille25 | i think firefox got worse and worse |
| 22:32.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | chrome has it |
| 22:32.43 | mille25 | its sometimes very laggy for me. |
| 22:32.51 | Ahli | it became terrible, yes |
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| 22:32.58 | mille25 | i dont know wtf happened |
| 22:33.09 | mille25 | but i dont wanna use chrome |
| 22:33.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | chrome is the best thing |
| 22:33.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | ever |
| 22:33.13 | mille25 | for some reason im scared of google |
| 22:33.14 | mille25 | haha |
| 22:33.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | I even stopped using safari because of chrome |
| 22:33.34 | Zolden | chrome works good |
| 22:33.39 | Ahli | but opera has e-mail, download, irc, grouped tabs... can't live without that anymore |
| 22:33.47 | Zolden | at least don't make me angry |
| 22:33.50 | mille25 | does chrome have an addblock? |
| 22:33.53 | Blizz-Deletarius | I have email on my phone and iMail |
| 22:33.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes |
| 22:34.17 | mille25 | might try it then |
| 22:34.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | chrome has irc too: webchat.freenode.net :) |
| 22:34.22 | Bibendus | chrome sucks |
| 22:34.27 | Bibendus | it's crashing so bad |
| 22:34.31 | Bibendus | and having a lot of general issues |
| 22:34.34 | mille25 | xD |
| 22:34.37 | Bibendus | like restoring sessions not working |
| 22:34.43 | Blizz-Deletarius | I haven't had a crash with chrome in 3+ months |
| 22:34.50 | Bibendus | or possibility of loosing your saved session |
| 22:34.59 | Blizz-Deletarius | I also don't worry about saved sessions |
| 22:35.07 | Bibendus | I use a lot of multi tabbing |
| 22:35.10 | Ahli | I do... I'm a tab using person :X |
| 22:35.12 | Blizz-Deletarius | just keep my tabs up |
| 22:35.13 | Bibendus | and sessions with application tabs |
| 22:35.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | well I am too |
| 22:35.17 | Bibendus | and chrome sucks a lot for that |
| 22:35.18 | mille25 | i hate this multi tab people |
| 22:35.20 | mille25 | i only have |
| 22:35.23 | mille25 | 2 tabs open max |
| 22:35.28 | Bibendus | noob :P |
| 22:35.32 | Blizz-Deletarius | I have 24 open right now on this browser window |
| 22:35.32 | Ahli | only 31 tabs open atm |
| 22:35.33 | mille25 | never understood this people who never close tabs |
| 22:35.36 | Bommes | my browser opens like |
| 22:35.42 | Bommes | 10 tabs when i start it by default |
| 22:35.43 | Bommes | :D |
| 22:35.45 | Bibendus | exactly |
| 22:35.48 | mille25 | wtf... |
| 22:35.49 | Bibendus | I suppose u are using firefox |
| 22:35.51 | Blizz-Deletarius | no need for that imo |
| 22:35.52 | Bibendus | because if u use chrome |
| 22:36.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | who, me? |
| 22:36.05 | Bibendus | pages are not loaded when the bbrowser starts |
| 22:36.07 | Bibendus | no bommes |
| 22:36.08 | Bibendus | :D |
| 22:36.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh |
| 22:36.15 | Bommes | yeah but it starts like 10s faster than firefox |
| 22:36.18 | Bommes | ofc I use chrome |
| 22:36.19 | Bibendus | exactly |
| 22:36.25 | Bibendus | so now I started using |
| 22:36.26 | Blizz-Deletarius | yea, but that to me is completely un-necessary |
| 22:36.27 | Bibendus | chrome as default |
| 22:36.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | information on demand, not all at once |
| 22:36.47 | Bibendus | and firefox for my tab applications |
| 22:36.47 | Bibendus | :P |
| 22:37.06 | Bibendus | oh and btw flash on chrome sucks even more then with firefox |
| 22:37.10 | mille25 | "information on demand" |
| 22:37.11 | mille25 | wow shit |
| 22:37.15 | Bibendus | I'm getting a lot of freezed |
| 22:37.17 | mille25 | this reminds me of my useability class last year |
| 22:37.17 | Bibendus | freezes |
| 22:37.20 | mille25 | it was HORRIBLE |
| 22:37.23 | Bibendus | lol |
| 22:37.27 | mille25 | glad that this is over |
| 22:37.28 | mille25 | :D |
| 22:37.32 | Ahli | downloads, mail, irc, irc, 11 for sc2/poe/et/d3, 2 news sites, 6 university stuff, dictionary, imageshack, 1 private chat with zolden, 3 random websites I did not close (stuff about unique bows in diablo games) |
| 22:37.45 | Blizz-Deletarius | right now I haveeeeee |
| 22:37.56 | FockeWulf | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6571577622#1 |
| 22:38.09 | Blizz-Artestru | As a rule, I never close tabs. I like my browser grow until it won't function anymore and then just reboot. |
| 22:38.11 | mille25 | okay guys, this is what i got: 1. IRC 2. flipping tables memes (no joke) |
| 22:38.16 | Blizz-Artestru | I *let* my browser grow. |
| 22:38.43 | FockeWulf | So far I haven't found a browser that won't memory leak on me :( |
| 22:38.53 | mille25 | firefox used to leak like crazy |
| 22:38.58 | mille25 | dont know if its fixed now though |
| 22:38.59 | Blizz-Deletarius | 3 mapster, 1 irc, 6 blizz forum, 1 day9, 1 destiny stream, 1 team liquid, 1 helral ui thing, 3 soundcloud, 1 stephano, 1 facebook, 1 weather extremes tab open |
| 22:39.00 | Blizz-Artestru | I'm like a tab hoarder. I don't like closing them because they have sentimental meaning or I might need it one day. |
| 22:39.04 | Ahli | how do you notice those leaks? |
| 22:39.23 | mille25 | task manager + it gets slower |
| 22:39.27 | mille25 | also |
| 22:39.30 | mille25 | if you close the tabs |
| 22:39.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | also, with chrome, if 1 tab breaks or crashes your entire browser isn't hosed |
| 22:39.32 | mille25 | the memory isnt freed |
| 22:39.36 | Bommes | "weather extremes"? |
| 22:39.39 | Zolden | on my slow laptop here is feel leaks like i can't do anything anumore |
| 22:39.42 | Ahli | you close tabs? |
| 22:39.49 | mille25 | like ive said |
| 22:39.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | http://www.wx-now.com/Weather/WxExtremes.aspx?hottest=true |
| 22:39.50 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes |
| 22:39.54 | FockeWulf | well you look at normal memory usage of the process its usually less than 100kb |
| 22:39.56 | mille25 | i just have maximum 3 tabs open at a time. |
| 22:40.06 | FockeWulf | It will gradually grow to over 300kb sometimes. |
| 22:40.07 | mille25 | i just dont need more for some reason haha |
| 22:40.15 | FockeWulf | Which is absurd for anything the browser could be doing. |
| 22:40.15 | Ahli | 442mb =/ |
| 22:40.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | usually I close tabs though |
| 22:40.27 | Blizz-Deletarius | when I'm done with them |
| 22:40.39 | Bommes | "Coldest places in the World, Rank 1 South Pole, Antarctica" |
| 22:40.42 | Bommes | Who would have thought! |
| 22:40.58 | FockeWulf | You're wrong |
| 22:40.59 | Zolden | is there a hotkey on chrome to switch between tabs? |
| 22:41.03 | FockeWulf | Lower orbit is colder. |
| 22:41.03 | Ahli | the sky far above antarctica :S |
| 22:41.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes zolden |
| 22:41.25 | Zolden | cool, what is it? |
| 22:41.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | Ctrl + tab number |
| 22:41.41 | Bommes | @FockeWulf low orbit is pretty hot actually |
| 22:41.44 | Zolden | wow |
| 22:41.45 | Zolden | cool |
| 22:41.46 | Bommes | because there are really few particles |
| 22:41.46 | Zolden | ty |
| 22:41.47 | mille25 | lol this works in firefox aswell |
| 22:41.48 | Ahli | oh ctrl 1 opens google for me on opera |
| 22:42.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | one word: omnibox, chrome wins |
| 22:42.11 | Bommes | so they heat up like crazy and move around |
| 22:42.20 | mille25 | oh |
| 22:42.21 | Bommes | because they have the space |
| 22:42.22 | mille25 | there was just |
| 22:42.29 | mille25 | the wow mists of pandaria tv spot |
| 22:42.30 | mille25 | :D |
| 22:42.33 | Zolden | what's omnibox? |
| 22:42.36 | FockeWulf | Thermodynamics |
| 22:42.41 | FockeWulf | get you every time. |
| 22:43.07 | FockeWulf | "Its hot! ... Wrong its cold you weren't thinking small enough... F" |
| 22:43.13 | Bibendus | god bless xml data editing :D |
| 22:43.33 | mille25 | god bless... avoiding data completly by using triggers. |
| 22:43.33 | Zolden | why are you talking about orbits? are you physicists? |
| 22:43.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | http://dev.chromium.org/user-experience/omnibox |
| 22:43.56 | FockeWulf | I wish. Things is with actor attachments it would take long than just using the GUI. |
| 22:43.58 | Zolden | triggers? i thought data kicks asses |
| 22:44.04 | Blizz-Deletarius | basically the google search bar and address bar combined into 1 |
| 22:44.07 | Bibendus | lol |
| 22:44.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's the best thing ever |
| 22:44.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | ever |
| 22:44.23 | Blizz-Deletarius | that alone was what made me switch from safari to chrome |
| 22:44.26 | Saltpeter | Triggers are the best thing ever. ;>.> |
| 22:44.31 | Zolden | Blizz-Deletarius: oh, got it |
| 22:44.35 | Ahli | opera has the same thing, but you see google's suggested search terms |
| 22:44.36 | mille25 | firefox can do this aswell |
| 22:44.44 | FockeWulf | Meh... Data seems to get more room performance wise. |
| 22:44.45 | mille25 | :P |
| 22:44.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | also, chrome is on a much faster update schedule |
| 22:44.57 | FockeWulf | You can overtax triggers with an fps system real quick. |
| 22:45.02 | Saltpeter | But Triggers allow you create abstractions and data structures. ;>.> |
| 22:45.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | and more works with webkit compared to gecko |
| 22:45.09 | Zolden | well, i was so proud of myself to have minimum amount of triggers and lotos of data work ;/ |
| 22:45.27 | FockeWulf | In data I can create really flashing things that get players and good reviews :P |
| 22:45.32 | mille25 | i personally dont believe that triggers are much slower than data. but i dont know exactly. |
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| 22:45.40 | Saltpeter | I don't use triggers to bypass things I could do with data, though. ;>.> I don't plan to. |
| 22:45.41 | Ahli | opera has only rarely an update :( |
| 22:45.41 | mille25 | i believe that they somehow use the same interface |
| 22:45.43 | mille25 | internally |
| 22:45.43 | Zolden | what made meto switch to chrome was that sc2mapster.com bugged with explorer |
| 22:45.55 | mille25 | sadly we cant benchmark data |
| 22:45.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | well that's because IE is horrendous |
| 22:46.14 | Blizz-Deletarius | anyway |
| 22:46.15 | Saltpeter | I use IE and Firefox together to have two Google accounts online simultaneously. |
| 22:46.20 | Saltpeter | ;>.> |
| 22:46.21 | Blizz-Deletarius | afk |
| 22:46.23 | mille25 | who the hell is still using IE# |
| 22:46.31 | mille25 | well.. my father does |
| 22:46.43 | Saltpeter | I think my dad does. |
| 22:46.51 | mille25 | he also believes that his browser is called |
| 22:46.53 | mille25 | "MSN" |
| 22:46.56 | mille25 | because thats his starting page |
| 22:47.01 | mille25 | :D |
| 22:47.04 | Saltpeter | My dad's computer-literate. ;>.> |
| 22:47.41 | Zolden | i had had ie a few month ago |
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| 22:48.10 | Zolden | hope i used "had had" right, still learning english :( |
| 22:48.15 | Saltpeter | I've been using Firefox for years now. It was about as good as IE in my eyes, but then I got NoScript. |
| 22:48.28 | Saltpeter | Either "had" or "had had" are viable. |
| 22:48.40 | Saltpeter | The meaning of the sentence changes slightly, but it's still correct. |
| 22:48.49 | Zolden | alright |
| 22:49.18 | Saltpeter | You'd use "had had" if you were to add a "but" clause after the statement you made. @.@ |
| 22:49.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | quick question |
| 22:49.26 | Saltpeter | But most English speakers don't care about these things. |
| 22:49.49 | Zolden | oh, i think i understand |
| 22:50.25 | Zolden | yeah, modern english feels a bit simplier than the book i learn it with |
| 22:51.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | so my question to you guys - who's used the new UI editing stuff in the HoTS beta? |
| 22:51.28 | Bommes | Blizz-Deletarius: You mean the UI Editor with the GUI? |
| 22:51.33 | Zolden | i would use it, because i hate doing UI |
| 22:51.37 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes |
| 22:51.48 | Zolden | Saltpeter: are you kinda philosophician or something? you did good at that religion thread |
| 22:51.58 | Bommes | I fiddled around with it for half an hour a week ago |
| 22:52.03 | Bommes | but I wouldn't call that "used" |
| 22:52.13 | Bommes | especially as I have no experience in UI otherwise |
| 22:52.21 | Bommes | so I was pretty clueless :D |
| 22:53.09 | ckSynergy | hey deletarius |
| 22:54.12 | ckSynergy | how goes things |
| 22:55.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | hey ck |
| 22:56.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | but yea, I wanted to know what you who have used it thought about it |
| 22:56.22 | mille25 | Blizz-Deletarius: can the ingame ui editor also create galaxy script dialogs? or is it just for xml ui? |
| 22:56.38 | Blizz-Deletarius | xml |
| 22:56.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's the sc2layout file stuff |
| 22:56.58 | mille25 | yeah |
| 22:57.08 | mille25 | any plan to add a functionality to compile directly to galaxy aswell? |
| 22:57.13 | mille25 | like alot of other tools do it |
| 22:57.15 | mille25 | like visual studio |
| 22:57.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | asking Tenarsis |
| 22:58.22 | mille25 | well when thinking about it, there would be some obvious problems with this |
| 22:58.33 | mille25 | like linking that stuff to variables to actually make it work |
| 22:58.50 | mille25 | the user would have to do that manually after the ui script was generated |
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| 23:00.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | well |
| 23:01.00 | mille25 | but somehow there is the same issue with layout-files aswell |
| 23:01.08 | Blizz-Deletarius | Mille, basically we're aware and it's on a "to do" list, however we have no definite time frame of when we would want to have it in. Unfortunately it's not a trivial amount of work to do, but there's no real reason why we couldn't get to it |
| 23:01.22 | mille25 | yeah i understand |
| 23:01.38 | mille25 | i personally wont use it anyways, since i like a dynamic ui |
| 23:01.40 | mille25 | generated by code |
| 23:01.46 | mille25 | like, amount of buttons based on constants etc |
| 23:01.53 | mille25 | i dont really have static ui |
| 23:02.16 | Bommes | Blizz-Deletarius: I thought it was really cool, but when I used it it was very obviously not finished so I didn't really get a lot done with it because I was more confused by a lot of things (menus appearing/not appearing, frames not being visible etc.) |
| 23:02.25 | Bommes | But that was also because I don't have experience with all the UI stuff |
| 23:02.39 | Bommes | Wanted to wait for the UI editor before I start with that :) And what I saw was really promising |
| 23:02.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | cool |
| 23:03.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | yea, it's not the final version of it by any stretch |
| 23:03.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | but |
| 23:03.29 | Bommes | I like the general design |
| 23:03.33 | Bommes | being ingame is really good |
| 23:03.47 | mille25 | i think that alot of people will love the ui editor... most games just need a fairly simple static ui whats perfect for the ui editor |
| 23:03.51 | Bommes | and to be able to configure it while the game is running |
| 23:04.06 | mille25 | so maybe we will see alot more cool ui work once its out |
| 23:04.33 | ckSynergy | ohhhh sneaky sneaky |
| 23:04.47 | ckSynergy | hey deletarius, I think i identified a bug |
| 23:04.48 | mille25 | how do i use the ui editor in the hots editor? |
| 23:04.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | do you have it open? |
| 23:04.56 | mille25 | is it some sort of ingame hotkey? |
| 23:05.35 | Blizz-Deletarius | open the UI editor, press "View Frame" button (Ctrl + 1) and click on GameUI |
| 23:05.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | in the left-side |
| 23:05.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | or press ctrl + alt + F11 while in game, but that's not reaaaaaaaaally working very well at all atm |
| 23:07.09 | mille25 | ah cool |
| 23:07.24 | ckSynergy | Man wheres Tyrran when you need him |
| 23:07.57 | Saltpeter | ck! |
| 23:08.04 | Saltpeter | The tower's finished. :D |
| 23:08.06 | mille25 | wow |
| 23:08.11 | mille25 | it looks very good Blizz-Deletarius |
| 23:09.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | he's working on some cool stuff atm |
| 23:10.03 | ckSynergy | sweet! |
| 23:10.03 | Bibendus | mmm |
| 23:10.05 | ckSynergy | any changes? |
| 23:10.13 | ckSynergy | >.> |
| 23:10.14 | Blizz-Deletarius | hm? |
| 23:10.15 | Bibendus | can I force the show of health bars only on 1 unit? |
| 23:10.24 | ckSynergy | oh, sorry del, i was asking salt |
| 23:10.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | k |
| 23:10.36 | ckSynergy | But if I may ask |
| 23:10.39 | Saltpeter | Several. |
| 23:10.43 | Saltpeter | I added a death animation. |
| 23:10.54 | ckSynergy | do you have access to the source code right now? I think I identified a bug but I want to know if my theory is correct |
| 23:10.57 | Saltpeter | That required changing things around from what the tutorial had. |
| 23:11.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | Artestru does |
| 23:11.10 | Saltpeter | I still need to make a birth animation, but I'll work on that later. |
| 23:11.25 | Blizz-Artestru | What's up ckSynergy? |
| 23:12.04 | ckSynergy | Transport abilities, when the "cargo death" flag is NOT enabled, will not drop their cargo if they are over cliff level 0. Or so it appears. When I issue a revive, I noticed some firing shots from an invisible unit |
| 23:12.29 | ckSynergy | I believe, when a transport dies, it unloads its cargo, but somehow being over the impassable terrain causes the "show" flag not to run |
| 23:12.46 | ckSynergy | if that makes sense |
| 23:13.52 | ckSynergy | Im still running more tests though |
| 23:14.10 | ckSynergy | really wish I had access to the sc2 core at this point. Im getting a kick out of identifying bugs lol |
| 23:14.15 | Blizz-Artestru | That makes sense, and I wouldn't be surprised if something wonky happens if it can't place the units. |
| 23:14.32 | ckSynergy | even if you set the unload range really high, it cant |
| 23:14.38 | ckSynergy | actually, thats another thing |
| 23:14.42 | Blizz-Artestru | I'll pass it on to our testers |
| 23:14.48 | ckSynergy | looks like it ALWAYS tried to drop the unit directly under the transport |
| 23:15.00 | ckSynergy | instead of the nearest pathable point |
| 23:15.12 | Blizz-Artestru | Right |
| 23:15.27 | ckSynergy | I tried to issue an order to unload on the VERY edge of a cliff opposite the transport, and instead of moving there, it dropped the unit under it |
| 23:15.29 | Zolden | what language the source code is written on? |
| 23:15.56 | mille25 | should be c++ if im not mistaken |
| 23:16.17 | Blizz-Artestru | Correct :) |
| 23:16.19 | Zolden | cool, c++ kicks asses |
| 23:16.31 | mille25 | cant wait to get C in my next semester |
| 23:16.38 | Blizz-Artestru | Are you studying CompSci? |
| 23:16.43 | mille25 | yeah |
| 23:16.52 | Blizz-Artestru | Excellent, I studied that as well. |
| 23:17.03 | mille25 | master? |
| 23:17.07 | Blizz-Artestru | No, BS |
| 23:17.18 | mille25 | is master worth it? |
| 23:17.26 | Ahli | moar money |
| 23:17.33 | ckSynergy | I'd say yes |
| 23:17.35 | Blizz-Artestru | Are you looking to get into game programming? |
| 23:17.38 | ckSynergy | Masters definitely worth it |
| 23:17.42 | mille25 | i think if i can manage to do it, ill do it. |
| 23:17.46 | Blizz-Artestru | Or some other field in computer science? |
| 23:17.51 | mille25 | hm im not sure yet |
| 23:17.56 | mille25 | at the moment i dont really wanna do games |
| 23:18.14 | mille25 | because i have the feeling that the gaming industry is kinda unstable (except blizzard maybe haha) |
| 23:18.27 | Blizz-Artestru | Because for game programming, Master's really doesn't get you much, and an argument could be made it's detrimental compared to experience. |
| 23:18.43 | Blizz-Artestru | Games are volatile, yeah, but that's part of the charm of this industry. :) |
| 23:18.53 | Saltpeter | I'm not working in game dev at the moment, just starting a job at...I don't know how to describe it really, but it's a software dev company. It does several things. But I'd like to get into game programming oneday. @.@ |
| 23:19.20 | mille25 | but i can imagene that depending on what exactly you are doing, game programming is really complex |
| 23:19.26 | mille25 | i once looked into directX |
| 23:19.29 | mille25 | and i was like "wtf" |
| 23:19.45 | Saltpeter | I took computer game programming one semester in college. It's...unpleasant. |
| 23:19.54 | Saltpeter | I'm terrible with graphical programming in any sense. x.x |
| 23:20.06 | Blizz-Deletarius | well, that's why you have graphics programmers :) |
| 23:20.12 | ckSynergy | heh |
| 23:20.15 | ckSynergy | graphical programming |
| 23:20.15 | mille25 | i guess you have to be a math genious to be a good engine programmer |
| 23:20.21 | ckSynergy | you mean graphics design? |
| 23:20.31 | Blizz-Artestru | Programming is complex, sure, but it's rare that you actually have to work at the low level like DirectX |
| 23:20.31 | Blizz-Deletarius | no, graphic programmer |
| 23:20.32 | mille25 | i wont consider myself bad at math, but not excellent either |
| 23:20.32 | Saltpeter | No, I mean graphics programming. |
| 23:20.46 | Saltpeter | Design I can do to a limited extent. |
| 23:20.49 | ckSynergy | Like arcs and waves and such on a plane? |
| 23:20.56 | Saltpeter | I've used Blender and Cararra. |
| 23:20.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | as in shaders, ssao, lights, shadows, etc |
| 23:21.04 | ckSynergy | ahhh |
| 23:21.16 | FockeWulf | I'm either going to become a network programer, graphics engine or AI. Maybe a mix. |
| 23:21.22 | Saltpeter | I can never get things on the screen to do what I want. |
| 23:21.23 | Blizz-Deletarius | for pc games - how it works with the graphics card and whatnot |
| 23:21.32 | Blizz-Artestru | Tools programming is where it's at. :) |
| 23:21.37 | Blizz-Deletarius | if I could suggest something |
| 23:21.38 | Zolden | FockeWulf: go ai :) |
| 23:21.42 | ckSynergy | Focket: become a AI graphics engine. everyone will want to play you ;) lol |
| 23:21.44 | mille25 | i seriously think that this low level programmers are geniouses |
| 23:21.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | find what you're passionate about and do that |
| 23:21.57 | Blizz-Artestru | ^^ |
| 23:22.01 | FockeWulf | Right now im tending towards graphics engine. Mostly because getting sc2's graphics engine to do shit it was never designed to do became an obession... |
| 23:22.01 | Saltpeter | The graphics card's sole job is to maintain a giant array. |
| 23:22.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's REALLLLLLY hard to get a job in the games industry as a generalist |
| 23:22.11 | ckSynergy | Blizz-Deletarius: That doesnt always work out for all of us lol |
| 23:22.19 | Blizz-Artestru | Yes, specialize definitely. |
| 23:22.27 | Blizz-Deletarius | ckSynergy, I wouldn't say so |
| 23:22.33 | mille25 | one thing im worried about though |
| 23:22.34 | FockeWulf | What gets you farther a BS or a BA in CS? |
| 23:22.38 | mille25 | how should i specialize |
| 23:22.42 | mille25 | if i dont really know what i want to do |
| 23:22.43 | Saltpeter | BS. |
| 23:22.43 | Blizz-Artestru | I didn't know they offered BA in CS |
| 23:22.43 | ckSynergy | I *LOVEEEEE* finding problems and recommending solutions for improvement and/or fixing them. But that often gets under EVERYONES skin lol |
| 23:22.46 | Saltpeter | ^ |
| 23:22.47 | mille25 | or what im enjoying |
| 23:22.54 | Ahli | I'm not becomming a programmer like you all. I'm going to be some information systems guy: programming, management, economy >_> |
| 23:22.58 | Saltpeter | Well, the thing about giving help. |
| 23:23.01 | ckSynergy | i.e. im a debugger |
| 23:23.05 | Blizz-Artestru | mille25: You should be experimenting and making things on your own. Through that you'll naturally gravitate towards what you like. |
| 23:23.07 | Saltpeter | Part of giving help is knowing when it'll be well received. |
| 23:23.20 | ckSynergy | yea.... about that... lol |
| 23:23.25 | Saltpeter | If the person you're talking to isn't open to attending your words, you're not helping. @.@ |
| 23:23.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | I didn't have the easiest path into the industry: I started door to door sales, then graphic design/web design/motion graphics for the pharmaceutical industry, then a temp job which turned into a full time gig at a games company, then here at Blizzard |
| 23:23.45 | Saltpeter | How many years did that adventure span? |
| 23:23.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | uhhhhhhhhhh |
| 23:23.51 | RipperRoo | the editor icons are imbalanced.. theres a zergling.. a marine.. and a probe :s |
| 23:24.02 | Blizz-Deletarius | 6-7? |
| 23:24.09 | Saltpeter | Ah. |
| 23:24.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's an observer actually, not a probe ;) |
| 23:24.25 | RipperRoo | damnit^^ |
| 23:24.26 | Saltpeter | I'm already 24, almost 25, and I'm only just starting at a job that's not related to game dev. D: |
| 23:24.41 | ckSynergy | If I put in an application to blizzard, can I put "3000+ hours in the editor" as my only qualification, and get accepted? lol |
| 23:25.03 | FockeWulf | Hey Deletarius you think you developers would be able to get out and actually play with the custom map community? |
| 23:25.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | see the thing is though, in my free time I worked my butt off doing everything that I could, after work I came home and worked 5-7 hours EVERY day on 3d/level design/etc |
| 23:25.27 | Blizz-Deletarius | and that was over 3-4 years |
| 23:25.29 | Saltpeter | >_O Yeah. |
| 23:25.39 | Saltpeter | I never had that work ethic. |
| 23:26.27 | Blizz-Deletarius | well |
| 23:26.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | neither did I |
| 23:26.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | but |
| 23:26.33 | Bibendus | omg |
| 23:26.40 | Bibendus | these custom status bars are so sexy |
| 23:26.47 | Bibendus | they do exactly what they need to do by default |
| 23:26.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | I read an article about the guy who's now one of the lead environment artists in the cinematics department here at Blizzard |
| 23:26.58 | FockeWulf | I get to help my dad set up TV stations and Newsrooms, transmitters with all the RF etc etc. And my calc 3 means I often to get to check on his math. |
| 23:27.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | about how he did the same thing for 4-5 years straight |
| 23:27.10 | RipperRoo | the diamond shape >.< i lold =D |
| 23:27.21 | Blizz-Deletarius | and look where he ended up |
| 23:27.25 | Saltpeter | I see. |
| 23:27.34 | Bibendus | what? |
| 23:27.36 | Bibendus | diamond shape? |
| 23:27.58 | RipperRoo | new feature in editor >.< |
| 23:28.03 | RipperRoo | u have a diamon shape |
| 23:28.03 | Bibendus | rofl |
| 23:28.08 | Bibendus | oh ye |
| 23:28.17 | Bibendus | totally 5 years needed for that :D |
| 23:28.35 | Blizz-Deletarius | I can't find the article unfortunately |
| 23:28.35 | RipperRoo | well i guess we will see some updates to the editor even in beta.. but balancing first |
| 23:29.01 | FockeWulf | ckSynergy thank you for your reply to my post, however this is an issue that has plagued my maps for over a year and I know its not that simple :) |
| 23:29.07 | Saltpeter | I don't even know what kind of jobs a game dev company would have that don't involve graphics programming. |
| 23:29.13 | ckSynergy | oh thats you focket? lol |
| 23:29.22 | mille25 | alot, salt |
| 23:29.26 | RipperRoo | creating engines ? :S |
| 23:29.38 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 23:29.45 | ckSynergy | I wasnt even pay attention to the user |
| 23:30.08 | ckSynergy | mind if I take a look at your map focket? |
| 23:30.25 | mille25 | did you guys watch the starcraft behind the scenes videos? |
| 23:30.26 | FockeWulf | What are you looking for specifically? |
| 23:30.33 | mille25 | i loved the scenes where they show the sound department |
| 23:30.43 | mille25 | and there were this guys that played with mud just to create creep noices |
| 23:31.09 | Saltpeter | Sound design is fascinating. @.@ Nowhere near my area of interest or expertise, but fascinating. |
| 23:31.11 | ckSynergy | ? |
| 23:31.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster Lajjla (~Lajla@2001:0:5ef5:79fb:3c73:327d:ae33:eb94) |
| 23:31.21 | Bommes | mille25: :D I want to see that |
| 23:31.21 | mille25 | it looked like alot of fun indeed |
| 23:31.34 | mille25 | they also showed the programmers once |
| 23:31.45 | FockeWulf | Theres content in that map I'm not ready to share out yet (namely because half of it doesn't work quite right) so I'm wondering what you are looking for. |
| 23:32.08 | ckSynergy | Id be looking for whatever would cause the issue |
| 23:32.15 | ckSynergy | I dont know how to put it lol |
| 23:32.17 | Ahli | for D3 sounds they showed in a vid that they let gunpowder explode for rocket sounds |
| 23:32.22 | ckSynergy | like I said earlier, Im a debugger man |
| 23:32.27 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 23:32.31 | mille25 | Ahli: ive seen that aswell |
| 23:32.32 | mille25 | but |
| 23:32.33 | FockeWulf | And on that subject. I'm sorely tempted to get the diplomacy community to get a petition going again for the art tools. I have the email from Andy saying that some map developers already got copies. |
| 23:32.40 | mille25 | even more funny was the guy that made the creep noise |
| 23:32.46 | mille25 | he just had to do this stupid sounds |
| 23:33.06 | FockeWulf | And I knew from other sources that others did get them. |
| 23:33.16 | FockeWulf | And I'm hearing that they are HotS only... |
| 23:33.31 | Saltpeter | They soooo used a stock scream for the click-on-academy sound effect in BW. ;>.> |
| 23:33.49 | Ahli | but it's a good scream |
| 23:33.53 | Saltpeter | It IS. |
| 23:33.54 | Ahli | and it has music |
| 23:34.15 | FockeWulf | Oh well |
| 23:34.18 | FockeWulf | Nothing I can do about it. |
| 23:34.28 | FockeWulf | But a loud reminder sure would feel good. |
| 23:34.30 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3WimCPUkQY |
| 23:35.05 | mille25 | lol |
| 23:35.11 | FockeWulf | On the other hand with the devs actually helping out I have a far shorter list of stuff to bitch about now. |
| 23:35.55 | mille25 | ┻━┻ ︵ ¯\(ツ)/¯ ︵ ┻━┻ |
| 23:38.03 | Blizz-Artestru | :) |
| 23:39.20 | Bommes | lol that academy sound |
| 23:39.21 | Bommes | classic |
| 23:39.45 | FockeWulf | So hey Art do you think the Blizz developers would be able to spare some time to get out there in the community and play rounds with em? |
| 23:40.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | I have a Deletarius account myself, so I could, it's a matter of time right now |
| 23:40.19 | Bommes | FockeWulf: Make a forum thread about it. |
| 23:40.21 | Blizz-Artestru | Yeah, I'd love to, too. I'd need to make a new "Artestru" account, but yeah, that'd be a lot of fun. |
| 23:40.24 | Bommes | Maybe they get the official order then :D |
| 23:40.32 | mille25 | Blizz-Artestru: is there any patch for WOL on the way that fixes this issue: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6470437004 ? |
| 23:40.51 | FockeWulf | Ok because my convos with you guys have revealed that you guys may not be fully in touch with the true state of the community and playerbase. |
| 23:40.55 | Blizz-Artestru | I know it's been fixed, I don't know which release it's slated for. |
| 23:41.08 | FockeWulf | A lot of why stuff got as bad as it did I think was a direct result of you guys not knowing what was going on. |
| 23:41.23 | Blizz-Artestru | I disagree with that statement. |
| 23:41.41 | FockeWulf | How so if I may ask? |
| 23:41.45 | mille25 | do you know if there are any patches coming up soonish? |
| 23:42.27 | Blizz-Artestru | mille25: I don't know the schedule, I'm sorry. |
| 23:42.35 | mille25 | np |
| 23:42.43 | tordy | Happy Friday! |
| 23:42.43 | mille25 | im just waiting for this fix :D |
| 23:43.27 | FockeWulf | Looks like I'm not going to get an answer on that. Oh well I guess. |
| 23:43.33 | Blizz-Artestru | FockeWulf: We've always been in tune with the community, even if it was "invisible". The things that haven't been addressed haven't gone unnoticed, it's a matter of "can do " vs. "will do" vs. priority. |
| 23:43.49 | mille25 | how does the patching shedule work anyways? is it something like you collect alot of fixes and once you have reached a good amount you release a patch? |
| 23:43.57 | Blizz-Artestru | There's only so much time in the day, and there's a lot of competing forces. |
| 23:44.10 | Ahli | is the empty tooltip remaining on screen fixed, yet? (if you don't know it, play my map, mess with inventory and "I" button) |
| 23:44.26 | Ahli | *i |
| 23:44.31 | tordy | I'm appreciative that such a large gaming community is even involved in directly talking to the community. |
| 23:44.40 | tordy | large gaming company* |
| 23:44.50 | FockeWulf | Well just giving you a heads up. I'm doing my best but I know a lot of people who won't be buying HotS. They've given up on blizzard entirely. |
| 23:44.58 | FockeWulf | Run into them in practically every other game I play. |
| 23:45.02 | Blizz-Artestru | It's a new experiment we're trying, and I think it's been successful so far. Hopefully it doesn't explode in our faces one day. :) |
| 23:45.18 | Blizz-Artestru | FockeWulf: I'm sorry to hear that, but that's not really a constructive statement. |
| 23:46.01 | mille25 | i personally think that the starcraft team is the most passionate team of blizzard at the moment, just look how dustin reacts to tournament matches for example, its great |
| 23:46.24 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/7155884 |
| 23:47.07 | FockeWulf | http://www.campaigncreations.org/ |
| 23:47.11 | FockeWulf | Ever heard of those guys? |
| 23:47.19 | tordy | once a company gets big, customer service & community contact is usually the things to go down |
| 23:47.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | back |
| 23:47.41 | tordy | im surprised blizz is even here! |
| 23:47.42 | Bommes | @Deletarius, Artestru: Is Tenarsis around and is there a chance that he will be on IRC again at some point? I got some small questions about specific actor data fields that are not really worth opening a thread in the forums and I think he knows about all that stuff :) |
| 23:47.47 | Tolkfan | http://gifsoup.com/view5/3816684/dustin-browder-watches-sc2-o.gif |
| 23:48.17 | mille25 | Tolkfan: hahaha |
| 23:48.18 | tordy | total rock destruction |
| 23:48.23 | mille25 | no |
| 23:48.27 | Ahli | browders forum name and pic is awesome: rock :D |
| 23:48.28 | mille25 | "terrible terrible rock destruction" |
| 23:48.43 | Saltpeter | Dustin Brawler is my main in SOTIS. ;>.> |
| 23:48.49 | mille25 | lol |
| 23:49.11 | FockeWulf | Actor programmer eh? If and when we get into a convo it will be both long and interesting to be sure. |
| 23:49.14 | Blizz-Deletarius | FockeWulf, like Artestru says - it might not be in an official way, but, we have played a number of the custom games, etc that you have made |
| 23:49.20 | Bibendus | lololol |
| 23:49.25 | Blizz-Deletarius | and by you I mean the collective you |
| 23:49.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | heck, I've played vs some of you in HoTS even |
| 23:49.46 | mille25 | :D |
| 23:49.53 | FockeWulf | I've got a lot of things both to show him and to discuss with him >.> |
| 23:49.59 | tordy | if i had a beta key, i would've faced you! |
| 23:50.03 | Blizz-Artestru | Bommes: He's really busy right now. He'll come by when he has time. |
| 23:50.21 | Blizz-Artestru | FockeWulf: He pays a lot of attention to what people make in the community. There's a good chance he's already seen it. :) |
| 23:50.25 | Bommes | Okay thank you :) |
| 23:50.34 | Blizz-Deletarius | FockeWulf, if you do, might I suggest approaching the discussion from a position of mutual respect |
| 23:50.39 | tordy | Tenarsis seems to be gettin popular here |
| 23:50.41 | Bommes | No hurries, I can wait a couple of days. |
| 23:50.48 | Bommes | and on topic: http://i.imgur.com/d41Lk.jpg |
| 23:50.51 | tordy | is he the data editor guy? |
| 23:51.10 | Exaken | lol that pic :D |
| 23:51.11 | mille25 | lol wow he looks young in that pic |
| 23:51.25 | FockeWulf | Alright Deletarius I'll play ball. |
| 23:51.39 | tordy | low resolution/quality pics tend to make em look a bit younger |
| 23:51.44 | FockeWulf | Anyways there is a random bug in his explicit rotation actor. |
| 23:51.57 | FockeWulf | at random it will start spewing out random angles for a model. |
| 23:51.58 | Tolkfan | leaked footage from SC2 dev meeting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_h6AEAlFIY |
| 23:52.16 | FockeWulf | I have found that it affects the model no matter where and how I recreate the links all the way into the data asset. |
| 23:52.37 | FockeWulf | The asset becomes completely unusable for attachments from thereon out. |
| 23:52.39 | Ahli | tenarsis must be the one in front of the computer as he is always busy |
| 23:52.42 | mille25 | Tolkfan: seems legit. |
| 23:53.36 | FockeWulf | Then I've run into an issue that has so far hit 2 of my units. |
| 23:53.48 | Blizz-Artestru | It's real. |
| 23:53.54 | FockeWulf | Turns out removing the turret from the siege tank has a small chance to make the unit unselectable after a few firings. |
| 23:54.04 | mille25 | but as a german |
| 23:54.05 | mille25 | i have to say |
| 23:54.09 | mille25 | clearly not enough beer. |
| 23:54.14 | FockeWulf | Same thing with the dump truck I found out later. |
| 23:54.39 | Ahli | you are German, mille? |
| 23:54.45 | mille25 | yes, just like you. |
| 23:54.48 | mille25 | :P |
| 23:54.51 | Ahli | ^^ |
| 23:55.01 | Blizz-Artestru | FockeWulf: Have these issues been reported on the forums? |
| 23:55.23 | FockeWulf | In addition in high unit load situations actor attachments but only those involved attached turrets/weapons will have a delay before their position updates to the host. |
| 23:55.31 | FockeWulf | Yes Art many times over the past year + |
| 23:55.49 | Zolden | ahli and mille are you from the same city? |
| 23:55.56 | Blizz-Artestru | Since 1.5? |
| 23:56.03 | FockeWulf | yup |
| 23:56.08 | Ahli | I'm in muenster (most of the time) |
| 23:56.08 | Blizz-Artestru | Did you get a response? |
| 23:56.20 | FockeWulf | Nope |
| 23:56.29 | Blizz-Artestru | Link me to it, and I'll email the actor programmer directly. |
| 23:56.31 | FockeWulf | I listed it all in an email sent to Deletarius. |
| 23:56.37 | Blizz-Artestru | I know he's crazy super over 9000 busy right now. |
| 23:56.40 | Blizz-Artestru | Oh, okay |
| 23:56.43 | FockeWulf | including both maps having the issue. |
| 23:56.43 | Blizz-Artestru | Then it's been captured. |
| 23:56.47 | Blizz-Artestru | Perfect |
| 23:56.53 | FockeWulf | Well if I may make both an offer and a suggestion |
| 23:57.00 | Blizz-Artestru | Sure |
| 23:57.06 | tordy | who is this elusive actor programmer? |
| 23:57.35 | FockeWulf | Make sure someone with extensive actor use in diverse areas (such as me or proziac) test out any "fixes" he makes before he releases them. |
| 23:57.59 | tordy | whatever happened to prozaic? |
| 23:58.26 | FockeWulf | Attached turrets have been fixed, then broken, then fixed again several times over the last few years and it gets really tiring to watch my huge map projects just break before my eyes. |
| 23:58.41 | Blizz-Artestru | Noted. |
| 23:58.42 | FockeWulf | And there is nothing I can do about it. |
| 23:59.53 | mille25 | surprisingly not a single patch yet has broken SCU |
| 23:59.55 | FockeWulf | I might be particularly suitable because unlike proziac I have gone into how the model's bone structure, higherarchy etc affects the actors. |
| 23:59.55 | Blizz-Artestru | We certainly test heavily before releasing. It doesn't mean we catch everything, but I can assure you it's not from lack of trying. :) |
