IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20120913

`00:35.56`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`later everyone`
`00:46.47`	`*** join/#sc2mapster tordy (627449b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.116.73.183)`
`00:48.24`	`tordy`	`evening`
`01:00.19`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Net_Creator (~Net_Creat@66.185.69.173)`
`01:10.22`	`*** join/#sc2mapster ckSynergy (ckSynergy@r74-192-50-68.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net)`
`01:10.48`	`ckSynergy`	`anyone know how to add a cooldown to a behavior and make it show up in a command card, without triggers?`
`01:11.13`	`ckSynergy`	`its in the command card, just need to show the CD`
`01:13.43`	`Vailreth`	`as far as i know that isnt possible but you could add a sugestion thread to the battle net custom maps forum`
`01:14.03`	`Vailreth`	`you would have to use an ability as a work around`
`01:14.11`	`Vailreth`	`currentlly`
`01:26.09`	`Kueken`	`behaviors have cooldown fields, but as far as I know, they are not functional`
`01:26.43`	`Vailreth`	`i know the Damage response feilds function as do a few others i cant recall`
`01:26.46`	`Kueken`	`so yeah, I would try a dummy ability`
`01:27.52`	`Kueken`	`you can disable or hide the ability based on behavior state via requirements and issue an order to use the ability or use modify unit effects to trigger the cooldown`
`01:28.10`	`Kueken`	`but who am I talking to ;) you know that yourself`
`01:29.18`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Net_Creator (~Net_Creat@66.185.79.235)`
`01:45.14`	`ckSynergy`	`lol`
`01:45.44`	`ckSynergy`	`Actually, I forgot about the ability / unit Cooldown for a minute. :D thx`
`01:46.18`	`ckSynergy`	`wait, no dammit`
`01:46.23`	`ckSynergy`	`well...maybe`
`01:46.26`	`ckSynergy`	`... no`
`01:46.30`	`ckSynergy`	`gah passives are a pain`
`01:47.21`	`Vailreth`	`yep`
`01:47.25`	`ckSynergy`	`seriously, 2 years and blizzard couldnt implement a decent passive system`
`01:47.36`	`ckSynergy`	`and fractional regen modifiers are still missing`
`01:55.16`	`Kueken`	`did you put stuff like that in their official feedback thread for such small improvements yet?`
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`02:00.49`	`ckSynergy`	`ummm no`
`02:00.57`	`ckSynergy`	`Just remembered it last night`
`02:01.00`	`ckSynergy`	`forgot to post today`
`02:01.21`	`ckSynergy`	`although Im goin to do some tests first to make sure I havent missed anything`
`02:01.28`	`ckSynergy`	`who knows, there is probably a system`
`02:20.05`	`tordy`	`fractional regen modifiers?`
`02:20.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`I gots a Kitty`
`02:20.21`	`tordy`	`np`
`02:21.10`	`Vailreth`	`i have a triggering question, lets say i want to dynamically change the image and tool tip of a dialog button to diffrent values for diffrent players what would be the best solution if i wanted to use catalogs`
`02:22.39`	`Kueken`	`o_0`
`02:22.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`haahhaaahahaha`
`02:22.49`	`Kueken`	`could you reformulate the question?`
`02:23.00`	`Kueken`	`I would give you "use catalogs" as an answer`
`02:23.34`	`Kueken`	`but the last part kinda invalidates this answer :)`
`02:23.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`He wants http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Untitled-14.png to pop up when you select a hero`
`02:23.53`	`Vailreth`	`how can i use catalogs to dynamically change the valuses of an images and tooltips of dialog times ?`
`02:23.54`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`02:24.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`heroes are selected with buttons`
`02:24.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`The buttons,and some of the text will change with each hero`
`02:24.35`	`Kueken`	`oh wait, i misread`
`02:24.42`	`Kueken`	`so you have triggered dialogs`
`02:24.50`	`Kueken`	`but you want to change them with catalogs?`
`02:25.08`	`Kueken`	`or you want to read data with catalogs and put that in the dialog?`
`02:25.29`	`Vailreth`	`read data from the catalog and set the dialog time to that data`
`02:26.05`	`Vailreth`	`i am trying to make less work for my self when its time to redo tooltips and ability icons are edited.`
`02:26.18`	`tordy`	`BEEF O MATIC`
`02:26.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`lawl`
`02:26.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yes tordy it is a Tauren Marine with a Murloc Marine on his back...`
`02:26.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`that has been done`
`02:26.42`	`Taintedwisp`	`Its okay`
`02:26.47`	`tordy`	`BEEFY`
`02:26.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`we got dis`
`02:27.12`	`Kueken`	`well, shouldn't be too hard, just read out the appropriate catalogs for the player and set the player's dialogs accordingly`
`02:27.27`	`Kueken`	`where exactly would be the problem`
`02:27.55`	`Vailreth`	`the problem is getting the values dynamically`
`02:28.16`	`Vailreth`	`i have yet to figure that one out ...`
`02:28.40`	`Kueken`	`well, you can change and read catalog data on-the-fly, as you can change dialogs`
`02:29.25`	`Kueken`	`I feel like I still don't understand :/`
`02:29.42`	`Vailreth`	`yes but as far as i can tell you cant change the catalog feild value get paramaters dynamicaly`
`02:30.14`	`Kueken`	`o_0`
`02:30.20`	`Kueken`	`why not?`
`02:30.55`	`Kueken`	`not sure about gui, but in galaxy, all these parameters are just integers and strings and can be changed at will`
`02:31.01`	`Kueken`	`or you can use variables for them`
`02:31.20`	`Vailreth`	`hm`
`02:32.31`	`Kueken`	`CatalogFieldValueGet(int catalog, string entry, string fieldPath, int player)`
`02:33.17`	`Vailreth`	`i may have found a possibility..`
`02:33.26`	`Kueken`	`in gui you can select presets for catalog, entry and field path, I assume?`
`02:33.44`	`Vailreth`	`iyes i believe so`
`02:33.57`	`Kueken`	`but usually, you can use variables as well`
`02:34.01`	`ckSynergy`	`ok, hold on a second`
`02:34.09`	`ckSynergy`	`settle down lol`
`02:34.21`	`ckSynergy`	`you want the ability buttons to show on click or on hover?`
`02:35.01`	`Vailreth`	`neither i just want their graphics there with a tooltip if possible`
`02:35.28`	`ckSynergy`	`so always shown?`
`02:35.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`Always shown while that hero is selcted`
`02:35.45`	`Vailreth`	`yes`
`02:35.49`	`Kueken`	`so you want to make a dialog, which displays ability icons and their tooltips and read them out via catalogs, so you don't have to copy the information`
`02:36.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`yup`
`02:36.02`	`Vailreth`	`pretty much`
`02:36.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Untitled-14.png`
`02:36.26`	`ckSynergy`	`ok, give me a secnd`
`02:36.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`Thats the dialog`
`02:36.33`	`ckSynergy`	`yea I saw that pic`
`02:36.34`	`Taintedwisp`	`a mock up`
`02:36.42`	`Kueken`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6VP8Au-tcE`
`02:36.49`	`Kueken`	`its definitely possible`
`02:37.01`	`Kueken`	`thats a dialog I made the same way`
`02:37.18`	`tordy`	`i dont see why it isn't possible`
`02:37.22`	`Taintedwisp`	`That ones nice actually kueken`
`02:37.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`How much time and work did you put into it`
`02:37.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`?`
`02:37.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`02:37.42`	`Kueken`	`not sure`
`02:37.52`	`ckSynergy`	`>.>`
`02:37.54`	`Taintedwisp`	`LOL`
`02:37.55`	`Kueken`	`a couple of hours for sure`
`02:38.05`	`Kueken`	`it was 2 years ago ;)`
`02:38.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`Lawl, Vailreth, mix that with the Cutscene part haha`
`02:38.08`	`ckSynergy`	`that dialog is decent`
`02:38.09`	`tordy`	`spent more time trying to get the layout working`
`02:38.12`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`02:38.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`I like ours too though`
`02:38.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`Vailreth used the cutscene editor for it`
`02:38.34`	`tordy`	`where`
`02:38.38`	`tordy`	`lemmEEE SEEEEEE Taintedwisp`
`02:38.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`cant do it haha`
`02:38.51`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Zandose (~Zandose@24.246.79.234)`
`02:38.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`Up to vailreth to let people see`
`02:39.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`its his project within the map`
`02:39.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`02:39.04`	`Kueken`	`well, that dialog reads all information from dialogs, I just needed to specify the unit id for a new hero`
`02:39.05`	`ckSynergy`	`ok, looks like there are a few options`
`02:39.07`	`Vailreth`	`sure they can see`
`02:39.22`	`Kueken`	`the catalogs would read the abilities of the hero`
`02:39.29`	`Kueken`	`pull their button and tooltip`
`02:39.44`	`Kueken`	`etc`
`02:40.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`https://www.dropbox.com/s/tb7nfxjqxvb98q3/Hero%20Select%20Prototype.SC2Map`
`02:40.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`There`
`02:40.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`just hit test map`
`02:40.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`thats the prototype`
`02:40.27`	`Kueken`	`also portrait and hero icon was pulled directly from the actor via catalogs`
`02:40.28`	`Vailreth`	`i am not a trigger guy forgive me if you look at them...`
`02:40.35`	`Kueken`	`:D`
`02:40.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hmm`
`02:40.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`Cool kueken`
`02:41.18`	`tordy`	`what am i looking at again`
`02:41.28`	`Kueken`	`I thought, it was pretty straight forward, when i used it, so I am still not sure, what exactly your problem is :D`
`02:41.33`	`Vailreth`	`a hero select that uses the cutscene editor ..`
`02:41.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hey vailreth its up to you, if you decide to Do what he did but with the camera still panning to the unit and everything, just mak ethe dialogs similar to his, that would be cool or continue with what your doing both are really cool`
`02:42.02`	`Vailreth`	`ok`
`02:42.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`Both are WAY better then what I was planning..`
`02:42.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`Making train abilities and giving each player 1 gas...`
`02:42.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`AHHAH`
`02:43.08`	`Kueken`	`:)`
`02:43.58`	`Kueken`	`shameless self promotion`
`02:43.59`	`Kueken`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oXwVAPQrvo&hd=1`
`02:44.34`	`Kueken`	`my editor won't load your map`
`02:44.58`	`Kueken`	`oh wait`
`02:44.58`	`Vailreth`	`does it give an error?`
`02:45.04`	`Kueken`	`is it beta editor?`
`02:45.09`	`ckSynergy`	`slick`
`02:45.09`	`Vailreth`	`no`
`02:45.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hey Kueken you still making your Hero Line Wars?`
`02:45.24`	`Kueken`	`Its sort of on hold`
`02:45.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`ah`
`02:45.34`	`Kueken`	`not really motivated to continue`
`02:45.42`	`Kueken`	`I guess 1.5 broke it again`
`02:45.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`Tell me if you cancel it, I would love to take some of your heroes abilities`
`02:45.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`lawl`
`02:45.53`	`Kueken`	`the patches keep doing that to my maps`
`02:45.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`Like the Roach Burrow, tele and expload`
`02:46.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`02:46.22`	`Kueken`	`feel free to use them`
`02:46.33`	`Kueken`	`shouldn't be too hard to recreate ;)`
`02:47.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`Can I get the map?,`
`02:47.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`02:47.48`	`Kueken`	`if you want`
`02:48.26`	`Kueken`	`however, it might be hard to get the script to work, now that galaxy++ isn't working properly anymore`
`02:48.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`Oh are your abilities done through scrpit?`
`02:48.54`	`Kueken`	`no, they are mostly data`
`02:49.00`	`Kueken`	`some are scrip assisted`
`02:49.03`	`Kueken`	`*t`
`02:49.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`yeah thats all I want haha if I come across one thats script assisted Ill ignore it and keep going`
`02:49.23`	`Kueken`	`:)`
`02:49.47`	`ckSynergy`	`about got it`
`02:50.53`	`Kueken`	`now I got an error message for the map, vailreth :D`
`02:51.07`	`Kueken`	`"files are missing from your SC2 Installation" :/`
`02:51.15`	`Vailreth`	`weird`
`02:51.22`	`Vailreth`	`i make video`
`02:51.33`	`Kueken`	`currently loading the beta, might be an issue with that`
`02:52.08`	`Vailreth`	`it was created in 1.5.2 editor but beta may open it`
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`02:55.21`	`MaskedPoptart`	`hey does anyone know why i can't open a HotS map in the HotS beta editor anymore?`
`02:55.32`	`MaskedPoptart`	`it says "heart of the swarm license is needed to load required dependencies"`
`02:55.34`	`*** join/#sc2mapster soulcarverr (636fdec1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.111.222.193)`
`02:55.41`	`Vailreth`	`was there any patches recenetly?`
`02:55.50`	`MaskedPoptart`	`hmm`
`02:55.59`	`MaskedPoptart`	`well it worked yesterday`
`02:56.08`	`Vailreth`	`i think the want to prevent the depednecies from leaking before the game releases and may have changed something`
`02:56.11`	`MaskedPoptart`	`so if there was a patch, it must have just come out`
`02:57.16`	`MaskedPoptart`	`doesn't look like there was a patch...`
`02:57.16`	`ckSynergy`	`...`
`02:57.22`	`ckSynergy`	`you have GOT to be kidding me`
`02:57.25`	`ckSynergy`	`hey Vailreth`
`02:57.39`	`Vailreth`	`yes?`
`02:58.45`	`ckSynergy`	`well`
`02:58.48`	`ckSynergy`	`I can get the image`
`02:58.51`	`ckSynergy`	`but not the tooltip`
`02:59.13`	`Vailreth`	`its called description i believe, atleast for units`
`02:59.36`	`ckSynergy`	`you want the unit's description?`
`02:59.40`	`ckSynergy`	`not the ability tooltip?`
`02:59.57`	`Kueken`	`why can't you get the tooltip? o_0`
`03:00.16`	`Vailreth`	`no i want the tooltip i just mean it may be called something diffrent`
`03:00.30`	`Kueken`	`just track the button from the ability`
`03:00.39`	`Kueken`	`then get the tooltip from the button`
`03:00.52`	`ckSynergy`	`doesnt work like that`
`03:01.01`	`ckSynergy`	`It grabs the refrence string from the button`
`03:01.04`	`ckSynergy`	`but not the tooltip`
`03:01.10`	`ckSynergy`	`and there isnt a catalog field vale get tooltip`
`03:01.23`	`Kueken`	`and you can display the reference string with the StringExternal function ;)`
`03:01.33`	`Kueken`	`the content, that is`
`03:01.53`	`Kueken`	`not sure, how it is called in gui`
`03:01.55`	`ckSynergy`	`You're just bound and determined to show me up arent you? lol`
`03:02.15`	`Kueken`	`the name is entirely different in gui`
`03:02.29`	`Kueken`	`iirc`
`03:02.59`	`Kueken`	`I am terribly sorry :-*`
`03:04.45`	`ckSynergy`	`well damn`
`03:04.55`	`ckSynergy`	`thats simple lol`
`03:05.06`	`tordy`	`you know it would be cool if blizz was here late off-job chillin and shit`
`03:05.26`	`tordy`	`smokin weed`
`03:05.32`	`tordy`	`talkin about trials and tribulations`
`03:06.44`	`Kueken`	`downside of this would be, that you can hardly manipulate the tooltip in the dialog`
`03:07.08`	`Kueken`	`if you want it to show up differently, maybe contain additional information or something`
`03:07.32`	`ckSynergy`	`how do you figure?`
`03:09.05`	`Kueken`	`the string is a reference to a text, and texts are meant to not be changeable because of localization and stuff`
`03:09.21`	`ckSynergy`	`oh, yea`
`03:09.31`	`ckSynergy`	`but you just add your additional information to a variabl`
`03:09.34`	`Kueken`	`so if you want to show a different tooltip, you need to write a new one`
`03:09.43`	`ckSynergy`	`anyway, vailreth, here:`
`03:09.44`	`ckSynergy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:09.45`	`ckSynergy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:09.57`	`Kueken`	`yeah, if you just want to add a secondary text, thats right`
`03:10.18`	`ckSynergy`	`LayoutButtons[X] is 0-13 (or so it appears)`
`03:10.31`	`ckSynergy`	`or 1-13?`
`03:10.35`	`Kueken`	`I thought abut including detailed informations within the spell tooltip in the pick screen`
`03:10.49`	`Kueken`	`but without just adding a list`
`03:10.56`	`ckSynergy`	`Then CardLayouts[X] returns the button position`
`03:10.58`	`Kueken`	`that proved to be not that easy`
`03:11.05`	`ckSynergy`	`so if you have several abilities in the same card slot`
`03:11.29`	`Kueken`	`oh, for that stuff, I made some conventions for my heroes`
`03:11.47`	`Kueken`	`like I put all abilities as the first 4 slots in the ability list`
`03:11.53`	`Kueken`	`in the order they appear`
`03:12.26`	`Kueken`	`also all unit actors have same id as the unit and all buttons have the same id as the ability`
`03:12.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`I DONT HAVE TO JUSTIFY JACK SHIT!!!`
`03:12.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`03:12.45`	`Kueken`	`reduces the catalog calls, mut makes it less universal`
`03:12.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`I'm just that hateful of a person`
`03:12.50`	`Kueken`	`*but`
`03:12.54`	`ckSynergy`	`uhhh`
`03:13.05`	`ckSynergy`	`that code returns the ID values`
`03:13.15`	`ckSynergy`	`except for the outer function`
`03:13.30`	`ckSynergy`	`although, tooltip returns the ID value, not the actual tooltip`
`03:13.36`	`ckSynergy`	`but the icon returns the url`
`03:13.46`	`ckSynergy`	`erm filepath`
`03:13.46`	`ckSynergy`	`lol`
`03:13.51`	`Kueken`	`yep`
`03:14.10`	`ckSynergy`	`oh, so hey I was wondering`
`03:14.22`	`ckSynergy`	`have you experimented with the combat: death response field in behaviors?`
`03:14.34`	`Kueken`	`at some point, yes`
`03:14.44`	`ckSynergy`	`ever get it to work or do anything?`
`03:15.06`	`Kueken`	`not sure, it was a while ago. Does the baneling use it?`
`03:15.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`NO`
`03:15.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`You dont CK`
`03:15.18`	`Taintedwisp`	`your not "Cool" enough, nor black enough`
`03:15.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`Your too white, and too Lame`
`03:15.27`	`ckSynergy`	`I dont think any unit uses it`
`03:15.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`03:15.50`	`ckSynergy`	`but I was thinking, maybe its meant to be tied directly and only to the revive ability`
`03:15.56`	`Kueken`	`baneling explodes on death`
`03:16.04`	`Kueken`	`if killed or attacking`
`03:16.22`	`Kueken`	`and I am pretty sure, the explosion is for a generic death`
`03:16.43`	`Kueken`	`so it doesn't specifically add explosion for attack or when taking fatal damage`
`03:16.43`	`ckSynergy`	`eh thats damage response`
`03:17.05`	`ckSynergy`	`oh shit it does use it`
`03:17.10`	`Kueken`	`:)`
`03:17.12`	`ckSynergy`	`erm death response`
`03:17.41`	`Kueken`	`well, there is a difference in damage response with fatal damage checked and death response`
`03:18.13`	`Zandose`	`Hey. Is there a trigger to run a action with paramaters? I need one trigger to run another trigger and it needs to pass a integer (players number)?`
`03:18.13`	`ckSynergy`	`which is?`
`03:18.14`	`Kueken`	`so baneling uses death response after all?`
`03:18.24`	`ckSynergy`	`yea bane uses death response`
`03:18.32`	`Kueken`	`well, killing a unit via trigger causes no damage, I think`
`03:18.51`	`ckSynergy`	`Zandose: its called an action definition`
`03:19.02`	`Zandose`	`not that`
`03:19.05`	`Zandose`	`uh`
`03:19.10`	`Kueken`	`Zandose: Usually, you use a global variable`
`03:19.21`	`Kueken`	`temporarily set it to the desired value`
`03:19.26`	`ckSynergy`	`>.>`
`03:19.42`	`Kueken`	`action definitions do the same thing`
`03:19.43`	`ckSynergy`	`For passing variables, use an action definition`
`03:19.47`	`ckSynergy`	`dont be setting a bunch of globals`
`03:19.53`	`Zandose`	`hmm`
`03:19.58`	`ckSynergy`	`no they dont lol`
`03:20.04`	`ckSynergy`	`action definitions are functions`
`03:20.06`	`ckSynergy`	`last I checked`
`03:20.16`	`Kueken`	`if you check the action definition to run in their own thread`
`03:20.21`	`Kueken`	`it becomes a trigger`
`03:20.22`	`ckSynergy`	`ah well, yea`
`03:20.32`	`Kueken`	`and all parameters are passed as globals`
`03:20.34`	`ckSynergy`	`but we arent talking about making it threaded`
`03:20.51`	`Zandose`	`per say i already have a action definition. I basicly have a list a triggers which run depending on which key someone presses. The problem is that I need to pass which player pressed the key`
`03:20.54`	`Kueken`	`thats about the only reason why one would want one trigger to run another one ;)`
`03:20.59`	`Kueken`	`so I just assumed`
`03:21.29`	`ckSynergy`	`ah yea, i do that time to time`
`03:21.47`	`Kueken`	`and you run triggers instead of functions, because you need them to run in seperate threads?`
`03:22.14`	`Zandose`	`I COULD temp store the player number in a global variable but I really want a more safe solution`
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`03:22.41`	`Zandose`	`forget threads`
`03:22.43`	`Kueken`	`what is the reason you run new triggers instead of just calling functions?`
`03:23.07`	`Zandose`	`im trying to build a dynamic keyboard system`
`03:23.14`	`ckSynergy`	`dear lord`
`03:23.36`	`Kueken`	`well`
`03:23.36`	`Zandose`	`for key binding and which triggers to run for which keys`
`03:23.37`	`ckSynergy`	`My grandkids are shuddering from the lag thatll cause`
`03:23.52`	`Zandose`	`is there lag or delay?`
`03:24.00`	`ckSynergy`	`yes`
`03:24.11`	`Kueken`	`delay because of input delay, most likely`
`03:24.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`Your adopted Grandkids right CK? because you know... 2 men cant have REAL kids`
`03:24.17`	`ckSynergy`	`and it fires regardless of the key pressed`
`03:24.20`	`Kueken`	`lag, I don't think so, if well-made`
`03:24.33`	`Zandose`	`i can deal with responce delays`
`03:24.43`	`Kueken`	`anyway`
`03:24.52`	`Zandose`	`won't affect my map`
`03:24.53`	`ckSynergy`	`depends on the computer`
`03:25.11`	`Kueken`	`if you fire the trigger instantly, there is nothing unsafe about passing via global variables`
`03:25.34`	`Kueken`	`as mentioned, even action definitions do that internally`
`03:25.39`	`Zandose`	`i thought it depended on everyones computer responding before the key/command could trigger`
`03:26.15`	`Zandose`	`damnit. i dont want a unsafe global variable which can be altered by anything`
`03:26.19`	`Zandose`	`lol`
`03:26.25`	`Kueken`	`many myths and half-truths about input delay and lag :D`
`03:26.36`	`Iiris_Frost`	`Anyone know where I can find more info on getting a career with blizzard? (i.e. out-of-state interviews, what type of maps count for level designer, etc.)`
`03:27.07`	`Kueken`	`well, since neither gui nor galaxy script offer any OOP features, you don't realy have a choice`
`03:27.11`	`ckSynergy`	`lol`
`03:27.21`	`Zandose`	`great`
`03:27.41`	`Kueken`	`but if you use gobals dedicated to this task what should happen?`
`03:27.56`	`Kueken`	`besides you messing up :>`
`03:28.32`	`Zandose`	`what if someone presses a key, input delay/lag, another person presses a key before delay/lag is over. will it cause problems?`
`03:28.55`	`Kueken`	`the input delay should affect everyone at the same rate`
`03:29.20`	`Zandose`	`k`
`03:29.33`	`Kueken`	`also, it depends on what exactly you do, if it would cause any problems ;)`
`03:29.54`	`Zandose`	`so ill just add one variable for each key for which person used it last`
`03:30.16`	`Zandose`	`im starting with a simple WSAD movement`
`03:30.33`	`Kueken`	`since I don't know the specifics of your system, I cannot tell you, if thats the best way`
`03:30.48`	`Zandose`	`i guess i make first and debug later`
`03:31.10`	`Vailreth`	`well im out folks later all`
`03:31.14`	`Zandose`	`bye`
`03:31.24`	`Kueken`	`but why would you want to save the last user for every button?`
`03:32.40`	`Zandose`	`isn't that what you meant by the global variable for which player triggered the keyboard event`
`03:33.32`	`Kueken`	`I just said, that you usually use a global variable to pass a parameter from one trigger to a new trigger`
`03:34.00`	`Kueken`	`since I have no idea, how your triggers are set up, I thing you are misinterpreting my words :)`
`03:34.06`	`Kueken`	`*think`
`03:34.49`	`Kueken`	`or I misunderstood what you were asking`
`03:34.54`	`Zandose`	`yah. So I'm not using actions definitions because I can't store them in variable to recall and use later on. So I'm stuck with storing triggers to recall/run and passing a player/integer variable`
`03:35.31`	`Kueken`	`okay`
`03:35.42`	`Zandose`	`I wish there was a easy way to show GUI to explain things`
`03:35.52`	`Kueken`	`so you need to save the parameters over a prolonged amount of time right?`
`03:36.03`	`Kueken`	`since the triggers could be executed anytime`
`03:36.13`	`Kueken`	`and still need the previously defined parameter`
`03:36.17`	`Kueken`	`correct?`
`03:36.24`	`Kueken`	`that changes the entire problem`
`03:36.24`	`Zandose`	`possibily. not sure yet if Im going to be using instant/one-shot or prolonged`
`03:36.47`	`Zandose`	`if I do? go on...`
`03:37.46`	`Kueken`	`in this case, you would probably need some kind of database storing the parameters and the triggers, probably some sort of stack or list`
`03:38.26`	`Kueken`	`however, I might once again misunderstand the problem, I tend to do that :/`
`03:38.39`	`Zandose`	`all information is good informaiton`
`03:39.05`	`Zandose`	`ill have to think upon this a while since I have no idea what approch i need yet`
`03:39.32`	`Kueken`	`what exactly do these triggers look like?`
`03:39.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`Brb Switching rooms`
`03:40.09`	`Zandose`	`uh...GUI...uh...crap...`
`03:40.17`	`Kueken`	`or more, what exactly do they do`
`03:40.30`	`Zandose`	`To give you a general idea:`
`03:41.33`	`Zandose`	`I have a record with the variables: Key (WSAD), up/down option, trigger (trigger to run)`
`03:42.08`	`Kueken`	`okay, and the trigger can vary`
`03:42.12`	`Zandose`	`then a trigger with a any key event which will run said trigger depending on the key`
`03:42.13`	`Kueken`	`so you can change it on the fly`
`03:42.15`	`Zandose`	`yes`
`03:42.37`	`Zandose`	`For the WSAD part of the code I need to pass which player pressed the key`
`03:43.10`	`Zandose`	`and perhaps store which player for a while while the trigger excutes and cycles (reruns)`
`03:43.54`	`Kueken`	`if the any key trigger always instantly runs the "to run" trigger, a single TempPlayer variable should suffice`
`03:44.07`	`Kueken`	`(if we ignore the saving of the player )`
`03:44.35`	`Zandose`	`i believe your right`
`03:45.24`	`Kueken`	`for the saving, there are some things to consider, like why do we want to save and what exactly do we need to save`
`03:46.01`	`Zandose`	`I believe I can skip any special saving except for the first time variable pass`
`03:46.02`	`Kueken`	`does it make sense to save the last player, who pressed a specific button? I can hardly think of a situation, where this would be relevant`
`03:46.20`	`Kueken`	`so unless you end up in a situation, where you need it`
`03:46.24`	`Kueken`	`I would skip it`
`03:46.38`	`Zandose`	`simple is better`
`03:47.05`	`ckSynergy`	`I hope this works...`
`03:47.06`	`Kueken`	`also, while technically passing via global should be safe, you are right, it is easy to mess up`
`03:47.09`	`Zandose`	`scrach that. If simple was better I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing`
`03:47.35`	`Kueken`	`so make sure setting the global is the last thing you do before executing the trigger`
`03:47.52`	`Kueken`	`and instantly copy the global to a local once the trigger executed`
`03:48.05`	`Zandose`	`im just scared that with a global any trigger can access it and maybe anything with waits, delays, lag may cause problems because other triggers could run in the meantime`
`03:48.08`	`Kueken`	`but that should go without saying :)`
`03:48.15`	`Zandose`	`yep`
`03:48.38`	`Kueken`	`technically, executing a trigger runs the trigger without delay`
`03:48.44`	`Kueken`	`so no need to worry there`
`03:48.55`	`Zandose`	`yep yep`
`03:50.50`	`ckSynergy`	`bingo`
`03:51.00`	`Zandose`	`I should really get around to testing/debug my triggers. I made so much complex stuff and I have no idea if it works`
`03:52.03`	`Kueken`	`:p`
`03:52.08`	`Kueken`	`know the feeling`
`03:52.37`	`ckSynergy`	`Ok, so passive CD effect`
`03:53.17`	`Zandose`	`why do rpgs need to be soo complex :(`
`03:53.35`	`Kueken`	`they are as complex as you make them :D`
`03:53.59`	`Zandose`	`But I just want a simple dymanic system for controling my map`
`03:54.07`	`ckSynergy`	`A cooldown ability (one per passive), requirement that checks the behavior count of behavior "behavior cooldown", and add a set effect to the passive to apply the cooldown behavior, duration flag checked and amount of time set in effect, and another set effect to modify the cooldown cost of the cooldown ability`
`03:54.45`	`Zandose`	`I sense someone is using the data editor, the devils tools.`
`03:54.58`	`ckSynergy`	`so basically, any passive that you want to give a cooldown to, needs 1 ability, 1 modify unit effect, 1 set effect (if not already in a set), and 1 apply behavior effect`
`03:54.59`	`Kueken`	`afaik duration flag and amount of time in the effect are not functional`
`03:55.10`	`ckSynergy`	`uhhhh`
`03:55.18`	`ckSynergy`	`I didnt think so either`
`03:55.22`	`Kueken`	`at least they refused to work when I tried them`
`03:55.24`	`ckSynergy`	`but apparently that got patched sometime`
`03:55.27`	`ckSynergy`	`its working now`
`03:55.29`	`Kueken`	`oh great`
`03:55.40`	`ckSynergy`	`I know they were broken before`
`03:55.43`	`ckSynergy`	`but they work now`
`03:56.00`	`ckSynergy`	`I swear blizz is secretly patching behind the scene`
`03:56.01`	`ckSynergy`	`lol`
`03:56.05`	`Kueken`	`well, I made levelable passives for hlw before, that was a pain as well`
`03:56.22`	`ckSynergy`	`yea`
`03:56.27`	`ckSynergy`	`its a little easier now`
`03:56.36`	`Kueken`	`just wanted them to show their levels in the button and be levelable like any other ability while being passive`
`03:56.42`	`ckSynergy`	`not as easy as having a passive flag for behavior abilities`
`03:56.44`	`ckSynergy`	`but close enough`
`03:57.05`	`ckSynergy`	`yea`
`03:57.10`	`Kueken`	`made a huge catalog system, because I refused to use 1 button per ability level`
`03:57.14`	`ckSynergy`	`Im surprise blizzard failed to add that`
`03:57.29`	`ckSynergy`	`lol`
`03:57.38`	`ckSynergy`	`I dont blame you`
`03:58.20`	`Zandose`	`catalogs :) i refuse to make more then a handful of units for the whole game. simply change the model, apply catalog for stats`
`04:02.17`	`ckSynergy`	`FRACK`
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`04:18.37`	`Zandose`	`anyone know the human reaction time for pressing a key?`
`04:19.19`	`tordy`	`200ms`
`04:19.49`	`Zandose`	`1/3 of a second?`
`04:19.58`	`tordy`	`1/5 of a second`
`04:20.34`	`Zandose`	`doesnt 1sec = 60ms?`
`04:20.46`	`tordy`	`1/5 to 1/4 of a second is a good estimate`
`04:20.50`	`ckSynergy`	`~ .11s`
`04:21.42`	`Zandose`	`k, so Im using half a second. should be a ok delay between checking for a tap (of a key) and holding down the key.`
`04:24.15`	`tordy`	`ms = millisecond; milli = 1/1000; 1000 milliseconds in 1 second`
`04:24.32`	`Zandose`	`too complex for me :)`
`04:25.28`	`Zandose`	`if I use a wait-condition checking after 0.49sec real-time is the game accurate enough for handle that exactly because I have a timer going off at 0.5sec and I need to check if a condition is met`
`04:26.08`	`Kueken`	`the game can only handle multiples of 0.0625`
`04:26.15`	`Zandose`	`ic`
`04:26.56`	`Kueken`	`however, regardless of what you are doing, it sounds dirty ;)`
`04:27.53`	`Zandose`	`Im just trying to convert my old WSAD system to this other key system`
`04:28.17`	`Zandose`	`Besides standard WSAD movement I had tapping the key`
`04:28.51`	`Zandose`	`trying to get the most out of the limit input i can`
`04:28.57`	`Zandose`	`limited*`
`04:29.45`	`Kueken`	`why not just check, if the button is still pressed at 0.5 seconds?`
`04:29.52`	`Kueken`	`what do you need a 2nd wait for`
`04:30.36`	`Zandose`	`forget the wait-condition thing for now. I'm just thinking of a way to handle tapping. the old system used something different which doesn't carry over well`
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`04:30.53`	`Zandose`	`wasnt there something in the game that used 0.03125?`
`04:30.57`	`Zandose`	`sec`
`04:31.11`	`Kueken`	`wait 0 seconds`
`04:31.17`	`Zandose`	`ah yes`
`04:31.26`	`Kueken`	`however, there is hardly any reason to use that`
`04:31.46`	`Kueken`	`because most things only update at 0.0625`
`04:31.51`	`Zandose`	`k`
`04:31.55`	`Zandose`	`was just checking`
`04:32.06`	`Kueken`	`so even if you use 0.03125, you would only see every other change`
`04:32.41`	`Zandose`	`just wanted to know for future reference`
`04:33.04`	`Zandose`	`i dont think im going to finish this tonight. too complex.`
`04:39.17`	`Zandose`	`is there such a thing as a If-Then-Else wait?`
`04:42.03`	`Kueken`	`?`
`04:42.16`	`Zandose`	`yah thats what I thought`
`04:42.29`	`Kueken`	`you can use wait in an if the nelse`
`04:42.34`	`Kueken`	`or what do you mean?`
`04:42.44`	`Zandose`	`i was picturing something in my head but couldnt do it in code`
`04:43.13`	`Kueken`	`well, I need to go`
`04:43.24`	`Zandose`	`c-ya. thanks for the help`
`04:43.25`	`Kueken`	`good luck :)`
`04:43.27`	`Kueken`	`bye`
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`04:50.16`	`Iiris_Frost`	`:( no one will make me a couple custom animations for standard units`
`04:51.35`	`tordy`	`hello`
`04:52.07`	`Iiris_Frost`	`hi.... :(`
`04:52.31`	`Iiris_Frost`	`I'm not in a good mood`
`04:56.22`	`Iiris_Frost`	`Anyone here an animator?`
`05:03.31`	`ckSynergy`	`quiet in here tonight`
`05:04.11`	`Iiris_Frost`	`:(`
`05:04.32`	`Iiris_Frost`	`I'm rather bored`
`05:04.48`	`Iiris_Frost`	`can't get make animation made :(`
`05:06.15`	`ckSynergy`	`so do like the rest of us, pick up the necessary program, and learn how to do it yourself :)`
`05:06.39`	`Iiris_Frost`	`I don't have $4000`
`05:07.05`	`Iiris_Frost`	`and it would take years to learn to to do even decent`
`05:10.28`	`ckSynergy`	`people gotta start somewhere`
`05:10.34`	`ckSynergy`	`and there are free programs for students`
`05:10.36`	`ckSynergy`	`you a student?`
`05:11.37`	`Iiris_Frost`	`nope`
`05:12.04`	`Iiris_Frost`	`the program cost $4000`
`05:13.21`	`ckSynergy`	`surely there are alternatives`
`05:13.46`	`Iiris_Frost`	`I didn't see any on the site`
`05:14.53`	`ckSynergy`	`and thats the only one you can use to learn how to animate?`
`05:15.34`	`Iiris_Frost`	`the tools are made for that only`
`05:15.40`	`ckSynergy`	`also, you expect someone with a $4000 animation program to be lurker out around here, AND willing to do free animation work?`
`05:15.50`	`ckSynergy`	`*lurking`
`05:16.07`	`Iiris_Frost`	`its just 2 animations`
`05:16.31`	`Iiris_Frost`	`waste of time to spends years to learn to animate for 2 animations`
`05:16.32`	`ckSynergy`	`Ok, so youre willing to drop $200 to an animator?`
`05:16.51`	`ckSynergy`	`(thats probably low balling it)`
`05:17.51`	`Iiris_Frost`	`i think you just don't want to see me ever finish my map`
`05:18.12`	`ckSynergy`	`No, I'd be thrilled to see your map, honestly`
`05:18.24`	`ckSynergy`	`But you have unrealistic expectations bro`
`05:19.00`	`Iiris_Frost`	`I just need 2 damn animations`
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`05:19.17`	`ckSynergy`	`Try this`
`05:19.24`	`ckSynergy`	`go to sc2mapster.com`
`05:19.27`	`Iiris_Frost`	`once i get closer to actually finishing the map I find someone to make models and shit`
`05:19.28`	`ckSynergy`	`and make a thread for the request`
`05:19.30`	`Iiris_Frost`	`tried that`
`05:19.38`	`ckSynergy`	`maybe, just MAYBE someone will be wil to help`
`05:19.39`	`Iiris_Frost`	`no one will help like always`
`05:19.48`	`ckSynergy`	`then you gotta learn to do it yourself`
`05:19.55`	`Iiris_Frost`	`can't`
`05:20.51`	`Iiris_Frost`	`map making isn't easy to do alone. I need help. but people refuse to help`
`05:20.55`	`ckSynergy`	`I'll give you a cold hard life truth. Dont expect anything from anyone. If you want something done, and done right, do it yourself. Only AFTER you know how to do it, then you can ask for HELP, but not for someone to do the work for you. People want to see you putting forth as much effort as theyre expected to`
`05:21.20`	`ckSynergy`	`map making is easy`
`05:21.24`	`ckSynergy`	`making a mod is harder`
`05:21.28`	`ckSynergy`	`making a game is harder yet`
`05:21.55`	`Iiris_Frost`	`I'm not asking someone to make the game for me, just 2 damn animations`
`05:22.42`	`ckSynergy`	`>.> Ok, im going to ignore this carousel ride... Ive already been there once before and it wasnt fun.`
`05:24.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`Actually Ck you are wrong`
`05:24.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`Map making can be the hardest yet`
`05:24.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`If you want to actually do it correctly`
`05:25.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`and if by mapmaking you mean terraining pretty much with just defualt settings and units`
`05:25.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`05:26.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`Though I have done all 3, Map Making correctly, is much harder, because Balancing it can be a total pain in the ass like no other`
`05:27.08`	`ckSynergy`	`Eh...`
`05:27.16`	`Iiris_Frost`	`sad part is I just need 2 animation (1 per unit for 2 different units)`
`05:27.18`	`ckSynergy`	`I suppose its a matter of perspective`
`05:27.32`	`ckSynergy`	`for me, map making is relativly easy`
`05:27.36`	`ckSynergy`	`TERRAINING, is hard`
`05:27.39`	`ckSynergy`	`I'll give you that`
`05:27.45`	`Iiris_Frost`	`I just need 2 existing animations combine into 1 new animation for each unit`
`05:27.55`	`ckSynergy`	`my god, some of the things ive seen... holy cow... leaves me in awe`
`05:28.04`	`ckSynergy`	`>.>`
`05:28.14`	`ckSynergy`	`Iiris... what animations are you talking about?`
`05:28.33`	`Iiris_Frost`	`I just need attack and walk combined into a new animation`
`05:28.50`	`Iiris_Frost`	`so it looks like the unit is walking while attacking at the same time`
`05:28.59`	`ckSynergy`	`what unit`
`05:29.12`	`Iiris_Frost`	`marine and zealot`
`05:29.31`	`ckSynergy`	`lol attack-walk zealot sounds hilarious`
`05:29.51`	`Iiris_Frost`	`don't laugh please`
`05:29.58`	`ckSynergy`	`but its funny`
`05:30.09`	`ckSynergy`	`have you ever seen someone try to attack and walk at the same time?`
`05:30.10`	`ckSynergy`	`I have`
`05:30.21`	`ckSynergy`	`99% of the time, the end up flat on their face lol`
`05:30.36`	`ckSynergy`	`anyway`
`05:30.39`	`ckSynergy`	`Im taking a look`
`05:31.48`	`ckSynergy`	`have you tried just using the current animations?`
`05:32.13`	`ckSynergy`	`Zealot Attack01 could pass as a sort of walk-attack`
`05:32.20`	`Iiris_Frost`	`can't, need both playing on the same unit at the same time`
`05:34.50`	`ckSynergy`	`then I dont know`
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`08:40.11`	`zenxu`	`artestruuuuuu`
`08:40.13`	`zenxu`	`:8`
`08:41.24`	`zenxu`	`sup?`
`08:41.25`	`zenxu`	`mornin`
`08:44.57`	`A1win`	`hey, any ideas how to make a dialog image flash for a moment? maybe similar to how command card buttons flash when their cooldown finishes`
`08:45.48`	`zenxu`	`yes`
`08:45.53`	`zenxu`	`jsut change the tint color`
`08:46.01`	`zenxu`	`thats how I do it :/`
`08:46.19`	`A1win`	`:P`
`08:46.25`	`A1win`	`but that's not flashy, it just makes it darker`
`08:46.40`	`A1win`	`mmh an overlay I guess`
`08:46.46`	`zenxu`	`sort of yes, but what else is there to do`
`08:46.49`	`A1win`	`and fade alpha to brighter`
`08:46.57`	`A1win`	`I mean`
`08:47.30`	`A1win`	`a flashy colored overlay image with render type multiply, have it invisible at first and then fade alpha up and down when flashing it`
`08:47.46`	`A1win`	`forgot about that :P`
`08:48.05`	`A1win`	`I already do that with my objective LEDs`
`08:49.13`	`zenxu`	`:/`
`08:49.44`	`A1win`	`? O:`
`08:54.39`	`ducky`	`:l`
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`09:16.57`	`zenxu`	`oh god`
`09:17.07`	`zenxu`	`accidentally joined google+ while making new email`
`09:17.17`	`zenxu`	`what a bullshit service to throw it in my face`
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`09:28.18`	`Bommes`	`I think you automatically have a google+ account if you have a google account`
`09:31.57`	`zenxu`	`I wonder if that is indeed the case`
`09:32.04`	`zenxu`	`cause I didnt even notice joining it :D`
`09:32.07`	`zenxu`	`but just anoying`
`09:32.12`	`zenxu`	`we dont need another facebook`
`09:32.20`	`zenxu`	`since facebook is anoying in itself`
`09:33.07`	`Bommes`	`no one forces you to use it :D`
`09:34.36`	`zenxu`	`yes but I still need to use it :D`
`09:35.09`	`zenxu`	`I guess Im a bit of hypporcite for saying it sucks and using it`
`09:35.31`	`zenxu`	`but I guess peoples stupidy mostly anoys me`
`09:35.45`	`zenxu`	`or rather`
`09:35.53`	`zenxu`	`posting those posts that nobody cares about`
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`10:39.06`	`A1win`	`http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/0.138/ showing all unlockables as icons to keep track of them more easily o:`
`10:39.45`	`zenxu`	`haha managed to delete my youtube account while linking it to gmail xD`
`10:40.27`	`A1win`	`._o`
`10:41.01`	`zenxu`	`indeed`
`10:41.21`	`zenxu`	`apparently linking and the removing google accounts can cause that`
`10:41.30`	`zenxu`	`but not a big deal anyway`
`10:41.44`	`zenxu`	`maybe Ill even get it back`
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`12:05.31`	`Bommes`	`during 2-3 days temperature here dropped by over 10 degrees during the day`
`12:05.36`	`Bommes`	`from warm and dry to wet and cold`
`12:05.39`	`Bommes`	`nasty`
`12:06.10`	`Bommes`	`thank god im a nerd and barely leave the house anyway :D`
`12:18.08`	`G0A`	`hmm`
`12:18.18`	`G0A`	`is there a way to get unit type's ID?`
`12:19.09`	`Ahli`	`lv_type = UnitGetType(lv_unit);`
`12:19.36`	`Ahli`	`you can create units with that again.`
`12:19.52`	`Ahli`	`lv_type is a string, lv_unit is unit`
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`12:21.10`	`G0A`	`yeah already figured it out:D`
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`13:09.23`	`A1win_`	`http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/0.138/Screenshot2012-09-13%2015_16_44.jpg a bit cluttery D:`
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`14:02.22`	`zenxu`	`squareeees`
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`14:03.26`	`zenxu`	`!zergit skizot`
`14:03.27`	`Skizot`	`Hydraskizotlisk`
`14:05.17`	`zenxu`	`!zergit hydraskizotlisk`
`14:05.17`	`Skizot`	`Ultrahydraskizotlisklisk`
`14:07.27`	`A1win_`	`!zergit $me`
`14:07.28`	`Skizot`	`Hydra$melisk`
`14:07.42`	`A1win`	`had to try ;p`
`14:15.36`	`zenxu`	`meh`
`14:15.41`	`zenxu`	`cursor effects`
`14:15.43`	`zenxu`	`how do they work`
`14:15.47`	`zenxu`	`cant remember :(`
`14:16.40`	`zenxu`	`never mind`
`14:16.43`	`zenxu`	`I just look it up`
`14:20.00`	`zenxu`	`aww man`
`14:20.07`	`zenxu`	`terrain deformers fuck up the splay`
`14:20.09`	`zenxu`	`splat`
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`14:43.26`	`Kueken`	`Moshi Moshi`
`14:45.45`	`Bommes`	`konishiwa!`
`14:51.33`	`Kueken`	`-s +c`
`14:51.35`	`Kueken`	`:D`
`14:52.32`	`Kueken`	`no Blizz support today?`
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`14:53.51`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`Morning`
`14:53.57`	`TheSkunk__`	`Morning Delete :D`
`14:55.50`	`Kueken`	`the timing xD`
`14:56.08`	`Kueken`	`(16:52:33) Kueken: no Blizz support today?`
`14:56.08`	`Kueken`	`(16:53:49) Blizz-Deletarius [d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72] hat den Raum betreten.`
`14:56.18`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`hah`
`14:56.25`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`I'm good like that`
`14:56.32`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`and besides it's before 8am anyway`
`14:56.49`	`Kueken`	`not here :D`
`14:56.50`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`I usually get in earlier than most`
`14:57.05`	`Kueken`	`sorry, messing up timezones again`
`14:57.26`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`PST - BestST`
`14:57.43`	`Ahli`	`memorize a 5, kueken`
`14:57.44`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`or should I say BeST`
`14:58.07`	`Bommes`	`^^`
`15:00.07`	`Ahli`	`copy pasting a function and then editing it is still faster than editing the original one :S`
`15:07.06`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`so I've been sculpting a baneling in my spare time :O`
`15:07.38`	`A1win`	`would be nice to have some statistics of our own maps, I have no idea how big percentage of players actually finish my map or how far they get in it, I need to do most of my difficulty decisions blindly :x`
`15:07.55`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`that's something we're looking into`
`15:08.01`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`or at least discussing`
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`15:10.56`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Morning`
`15:11.05`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`hey guy`
`15:11.27`	`Kueken`	`Good Morning :-*`
`15:12.08`	`Bommes`	`hello :)`
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`15:19.10`	`Ahli`	`god, I'm only pasting approx 10 variables into an empty function. why does that take forever =/`
`15:20.00`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`I've written that specific issue down as something to look into changing Ahli`
`15:20.52`	`Bommes`	`Does this link work?`
`15:20.54`	`Bommes`	`http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9962/test.ogg`
`15:21.32`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`yes`
`15:21.34`	`Bommes`	`ty`
`15:22.07`	`Ahli`	`but I think you changed something with pasting things a few weeks ago. I'm not sure if the game has been patched since then`
`15:22.28`	`Ahli`	`when someone made a video with pasting a single line taking 2 minutes`
`15:22.41`	`Ahli`	`so, maybe, it has been fixed/improved already.`
`15:22.55`	`Ahli`	`I'm still waiting -.-`
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`15:25.42`	`Ahli`	`the empty function is an old one. Editing it took a lot of time already. Editing a fresh copy of that function is fast. I've made all my changes in the copy, deleted everything in the old function and pasted the variables from the new function into the old function...`
`15:25.54`	`Ahli`	`yay, it finished`
`15:26.58`	`Ahli`	`13 variables, 2 arrays, 1 array variables was deactivated, everything had its default-value as init.`
`15:34.53`	`Tolkfan1`	`Blizz-Artestru: is it a good idea (performance wise) to have multiple copies of the same model for each individual camera shot? (eg: Raynor is in three shots, separated by other shots, so I have three identical raynor models loaded for each one)`
`15:35.37`	`Tolkfan1`	`I'm doing that because it's getting hard to keep track which "shared" models are part of a shot :p`
`15:36.01`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`Tolkfan1`
`15:36.28`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`You can specify which models appear in which shots, or are active for specific shots`
`15:36.46`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`ie, you have a conversation between raynor and kerrigan`
`15:36.53`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`and it's a 3camera shot`
`15:37.14`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`you can have 1 camera on each of their faces and another camera on the entire thing - cutting back and forth between cameras`
`15:37.46`	`Ahli`	`copy pasting the long content from one function into the empty one took 10 minutes`
`15:37.50`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`and in the shot of raynor's face, you can turn the kerrigan model off, and vice-versa for the kerrigan shot, while leaving all models on for the full shot of the 2 of them`
`15:38.18`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`Ahli...could you send me a picture of the function that took you 10 mins?`
`15:38.34`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`pm it to me if you could`
`15:38.40`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`cause I'll be right back`
`15:39.08`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Tolkfan1: If the "red blocks" of the different models don't overlap, there shouldn't be any major performance problems since that would mean you'd only have 1 active at a time.`
`15:39.29`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`There could be performance problems if it attempts to render an expensive model like Raynor multiple times.`
`15:39.48`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`And just because you can't see it doesn't mean it won't attempt to render.`
`15:39.57`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`The culling system is fairly conservative.`
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`15:40.41`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`If there aren't major differences between the models, you can hide the model in the shots he's not in using the Active Shot system.`
`15:44.36`	`Tolkfan1`	`it's more of an organizational matter. I organize folders by shot, so it's easy to just select the director, the shot folder and have everything I need (camera, lights, models), not worrying "oh, did I miss something?"`
`15:45.41`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`back`
`15:45.49`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`That's not unreasonable.`
`15:45.57`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`So as long as you keep the object lifetimes tight, you'll be fine.`
`15:47.01`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I've had a couple scenes I've made where it's just more convenient to make multiple copies of an object. There's nothing inherently wrong with that.`
`15:47.36`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`In fact, we very frequently use "movie magic" to make our cutscenes -- duplicate objects, hide them, mask jumps/stutters with camera cuts, etc.`
`15:48.07`	`Tolkfan1`	`I've seen that in the WoL cutscenes :D`
`15:48.13`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Yeah :)`
`15:48.32`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`It gets downright scary sometimes with crazy distorted broken arms, etc.`
`15:48.37`	`Tolkfan1`	`actually... can the WoL scenes be opened by the editor? :O`
`15:48.46`	`Tolkfan1`	`the cinematic editor`
`15:48.56`	`Tolkfan1`	`cutscene* editor :P`
`15:49.33`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`No, they are very different systems.`
`15:49.48`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`We basically forked what a cutscene was. The Liberty-style cutscenes are officially deprecated.`
`15:50.42`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`However, when HotS is released, you'll have many, many, many new cutscenes to look at and play with in the editor.`
`15:51.07`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`and they're really awesome to boot`
`15:51.45`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I can't wait for you guys to see them -- not just from a story standpoint, but as examples to see how we made some pretty advanced cutscenes.`
`15:53.07`	`Tolkfan1`	`I already have plans to modify that scene where kerrigan force chokes valerian in the trailer :P`
`15:53.30`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`which trailer is that?`
`15:53.46`	`Tolkfan1`	`.. uh.. I don't remember, one of the hots trailers o.O`
`15:53.53`	`TheSkunk__`	`There aren't many to choose from :P`
`15:54.02`	`Tolkfan1`	`I remember because I liked the lip animations on valerian :P`
`15:54.24`	`Tolkfan1`	`they actually open their mouthes wide, or grit their teeth`
`15:54.33`	`TheSkunk__`	`http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/media/videos/?keywords=heart-of-the-swarm&view#/heart-of-the-swarm-trailer`
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`15:57.04`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Yeah they did a great job with that.`
`15:57.16`	`TheSkunk__`	`yeah that valerian model, needs to be made into a scene at the dentist office`
`15:57.28`	`TheSkunk__`	`They did`
`15:57.54`	`TheSkunk__`	`o.0 if the WoL trailer is any indication, it almost makes the game look more epic then it is :P`
`16:00.57`	`Vailreth`	`i am glad they edited the work ais to idle while minerals are entombed because when i tested my own version the probes would just circle the mineral patches and move on to circle a diffrent covered patch and go back and forth`
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`16:04.57`	`Almaity`	`Morning`
`16:05.07`	`Vailreth`	`hello`
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`16:12.42`	`Almaity`	`oh god... Moz made me check the religion thread...`
`16:12.48`	`Almaity`	`I think my IQ just fell by over 9000...`
`16:12.49`	`Helral`	`meows`
`16:12.53`	`Almaity`	`simply by looking at it`
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`16:28.01`	`Vailreth`	`over 9000!?`
`16:30.01`	`Almaity`	`Yup, I now have an IQ of somewhere in between -8850 and -8900`
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`16:36.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hey everyone`
`16:36.21`	`Vailreth`	`Go away`
`16:36.22`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yo Vailreth, Hows those Dialogs lookin?`
`16:36.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`HAHA`
`16:36.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`but I got a kitty...`
`16:36.48`	`Vailreth`	`ive only been awake an hour and a half i havent gotten back to working on them yet`
`16:36.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`hahah`
`16:37.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`Well, your not a pro like me`
`16:37.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`I have only been away for 30 miinutes`
`16:37.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`16:37.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`awake*`
`16:37.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`YES noon`
`16:37.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`16:39.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`WHy must java have a freakin update EVERY SINGLE DAMN DAY`
`16:40.30`	`A1win`	`I rmeember updating it like twice this year`
`16:41.04`	`Vailreth`	`yeah my self maybe twice`
`16:41.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`Mines been updating every day for the past 2 weeks...`
`16:41.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`Tired of seeing it`
`16:41.27`	`A1win`	`maybe it's not actually finishing it ;p`
`16:41.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`Perhaps I dont know...`
`16:41.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`But java on every program works...`
`16:41.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`So why update?`
`16:41.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`16:42.18`	`A1win`	`so that you don't need to look at the message once every day`
`16:43.00`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`16:43.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`BURN A1WIN HES A WITCH!!`
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`16:46.07`	`Vailreth`	`i will be right back`
`16:51.10`	`Ahli`	`I have razer driver updates every day :S`
`16:51.59`	`Ahli`	`they want me to reboot. :X`
`16:52.23`	`TheAlmaity`	`are they as annoying with it as windows?`
`16:52.50`	`A1win`	`you can turn automatic restarts off from windows update`
`16:52.56`	`A1win`	`then they stop being annoying Mp`
`16:52.57`	`A1win`	`;p`
`16:53.17`	`TheAlmaity`	`I never get those anymore in general`
`16:53.22`	`TheAlmaity`	`but when I did, they were annoying`
`16:53.36`	`TheAlmaity`	`Skype updates are getting harder to dodge though`
`16:53.48`	`Ahli`	`just update :S`
`16:53.53`	`TheAlmaity`	`f no`
`16:53.57`	`TheAlmaity`	`hate the new UI7`
`16:54.01`	`Ahli`	`they make changes for a reason (most of the time)`
`16:54.18`	`TheAlmaity`	`I cant see my entire online list on the older smaller UI, it wont get any better if everything becomes 3x bigger`
`16:54.24`	`TheAlmaity`	`and the smileys look like shit`
`16:56.24`	`Vailreth`	`that they do`
`16:57.07`	`TheAlmaity`	`I know that I can turn them off, but I can just simply keep the old version...`
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`17:01.03`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Zandose (~Zandose@24-246-79-234.cable.teksavvy.com)`
`17:01.41`	`Zandose`	`hi`
`17:01.42`	`Vailreth`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZgw2DYokPQ a so so litle video of my character select eventually i think i will use static protraits in place of names because i repeat the name in the info overlay over the unit`
`17:04.12`	`Ahli`	`the camera reset is annoying`
`17:04.18`	`Ahli`	`balloons are cool`
`17:04.34`	`zenxu`	`artesssssssss`
`17:04.39`	`zenxu`	`Blizz-Artestru:`
`17:04.40`	`zenxu`	`uuu`
`17:04.56`	`Zandose`	`i did wonder where the balloons came from. i dont rememeber seeing that in the game`
`17:05.35`	`Vailreth`	`they are in the campaign dependencies i believe used on the media blitz map`
`17:05.42`	`Zandose`	`oh`
`17:05.54`	`Ahli`	`maybe in lost viking, too`
`17:06.47`	`ckSynergy`	`hmmm, abstract though, is there a way to set the size of an actor relative to a search area effect, not relating to ability cursor effects ?`
`17:08.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hey Vailreth, Also can you make it so if they dont choose in 2 minutes, I guess? or whatever amount of time sounds good, Their hero is randomly selected for them? also can you add a Random hero button, it could show the Green Question Mark Model for the unit`
`17:08.35`	`ckSynergy`	`hey tainted`
`17:08.36`	`Vailreth`	`yes those should be possible`
`17:08.40`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Hey what's up?`
`17:08.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hey`
`17:08.50`	`ckSynergy`	`is you're going to do random hero selection, i have a recommendation`
`17:09.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`Nm, Fiddlin in wow, I have gotten to where I do less playing, and more buying and selling on the AH haha`
`17:09.21`	`zenxu`	`heyy`
`17:09.26`	`zenxu`	`did you yet look my creation`
`17:09.28`	`zenxu`	`artestru`
`17:09.34`	`ckSynergy`	`if you want it that is`
`17:09.36`	`zenxu`	`you left before i could present it!`
`17:09.46`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`You left before I could say I liked it!`
`17:09.50`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`But yeah I saw it :)`
`17:09.51`	`zenxu`	`goood :D`
`17:09.53`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Very neat`
`17:10.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`ck, thats up to Vailreth, the Hero selection is his project, I just throw some ideas at him, and he can decide what he wants and doesnt want haha`
`17:10.08`	`TheAlmaity`	`what creation? The cutscene? That one was pretty nice`
`17:10.20`	`ckSynergy`	`lol`
`17:10.23`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Vailreth: Is the camera motion and character a cutscene?`
`17:10.24`	`zenxu`	`overal hard to say what I like and dislike about the cutscene editor`
`17:10.24`	`TheAlmaity`	`could've used some terrain though or something :p`
`17:10.28`	`zenxu`	`I guess it was pretty fast`
`17:10.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha, Almaity it isnt in the real map yet.`
`17:10.45`	`zenxu`	`If I just knew the hotkeys atleast :E`
`17:10.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`Speaking of Terrain`
`17:11.00`	`Vailreth`	`the camera motion doodads and ballons are cutscene the character is a unit`
`17:11.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`I was going to make a new Cutscene`
`17:11.06`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Most important ones: Q W E R M D J`
`17:11.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`not cutscene`
`17:11.12`	`Taintedwisp`	`Loading Screen`
`17:11.23`	`TheAlmaity`	`was talking about Zenx's creation :p`
`17:11.55`	`zenxu`	`qwer seems logical`
`17:11.57`	`zenxu`	`then MDJ xD`
`17:12.09`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Only criticism Vail is that the camera is jumpy when you change characters.`
`17:12.15`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Q W E R is for the various manipulator modes.`
`17:12.17`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`D is for Director Camera`
`17:12.27`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`M is for Mautokey`
`17:12.42`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`and J is for Just Make All the Lines and Cameras and Things Go Away`
`17:13.05`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Oh and V for View Camera`
`17:13.27`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`And Alt-A for Add Element`
`17:13.31`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Okay that's it.`
`17:13.35`	`zenxu`	`what does the curve editor do btw?`
`17:13.43`	`Taintedwisp`	`And T is for Taintedwisp is da best... right?`
`17:13.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`A major part of the editor indeed`
`17:14.02`	`Vailreth`	`yes the cutscene is replayed when the character is changed, i am thinking of trying to ad in a fade in and out if i can get that to work`
`17:14.25`	`Vailreth`	`i mean look good`
`17:14.54`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Zenxu: Did you use auto key or property animation at all?`
`17:15.05`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`The curve editor allows you to fine-tune how values animate over time.`
`17:15.07`	`zenxu`	`I tried use the auto key but was too hard xD`
`17:15.10`	`zenxu`	`so I ditched that`
`17:15.34`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`So here's how auto key works:`
`17:15.48`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Let's say you have an object, and you want it to scale bigger over time.`
`17:16.08`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`You set the current time to when you want him to start growing.`
`17:16.13`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Turn on autokey and set his starting scale.`
`17:16.26`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Move the time to when you want him to stop growing, then set his scale again`
`17:16.43`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`While auto key is on, all changes you make to an object only occur at that time.`
`17:16.49`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`And it will add keys as necessary.`
`17:16.54`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`(thus the name "auto key")`
`17:17.05`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Those keys will appear under the object in the timeline.`
`17:17.11`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`You can then move those keys or change the values of the keys.`
`17:17.22`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`And that will affect how he grows.`
`17:17.25`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`and when he grows`
`17:17.32`	`zenxu`	`yea I noticed them appearing but didnt figure out how to scale them to certain time period`
`17:17.47`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`You can THEN open up the curve editor and see the graph of how the value changes over time.`
`17:17.57`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`And you can use the curve editor to shape the graph however you want...`
`17:18.03`	`zenxu`	`k`
`17:18.16`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Say instead of just growing for A to B you want him to smoothly grow, then kind of get too big and bounce back down to B`
`17:18.22`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`You can do all that there.`
`17:18.43`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`It's like a simplified version of Maya or 3dsMax in that sense.`
`17:20.28`	`zenxu`	`oooh`
`17:20.35`	`zenxu`	`I didnt delete my youtube account :D`
`17:20.42`	`zenxu`	`I made extra gmail for my map`
`17:20.48`	`zenxu`	`and thought I deleded youtube xD`
`17:20.56`	`zenxu`	`silly me. It was linked to other email`
`17:21.01`	`*** part/#sc2mapster Exaken (~kvirc@dhcp-077-251-207-054.chello.nl)`
`17:21.10`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Exaken (~kvirc@dhcp-077-251-207-054.chello.nl)`
`17:22.03`	`zenxu`	`Blizz-Artestru: you should own us in the cinematic excersize btw`
`17:22.04`	`zenxu`	`on mapster`
`17:22.08`	`zenxu`	`you know the weekly thing?`
`17:22.15`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Yeah`
`17:22.25`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`"own us"?`
`17:22.38`	`zenxu`	`I expect blizzard quality from you xD`
`17:22.45`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`You'll get programmer art :)`
`17:23.03`	`Ahli`	`we saw at some blizzcon how programmer's creep looked like ;D`
`17:23.06`	`zenxu`	`even thou its more like training, it always motivates people to see cool stuff`
`17:23.17`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I made a few fun things for BlizzCon last year:`
`17:23.32`	`Ahli`	`the trolololol vid?`
`17:23.34`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbzLyqI1uro`
`17:23.35`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Yeah`
`17:23.36`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`:)`
`17:23.38`	`Ahli`	`:D`
`17:23.43`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`And the dance video`
`17:24.02`	`zenxu`	`can you move body parts in the editor?`
`17:24.04`	`zenxu`	`lkie hands?`
`17:24.17`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`No, but I badly want to add it`
`17:24.22`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Best you can do is blend existing anims`
`17:24.41`	`zenxu`	`yes seems pretty limitng not being able to do that`
`17:24.53`	`Tolkfan1`	`..... you can add that? like manipulating limbs and stuff? :O`
`17:25.00`	`zenxu`	`wont they have ragdoll physics in hots anyway so I wonder if that helps at all`
`17:25.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`Wtf...`
`17:25.20`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`ragdoll physics aren't predictable and they couldn't use it to, say, pick up a cup.`
`17:25.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`Anyone know photoshop really good?`
`17:25.57`	`TheAlmaity`	`you should totally participate in the WCE :p Could use some real quality content to make the others try harder`
`17:26.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`This has never happend... hwo do I fix this? http://i.imgur.com/u3L95.png`
`17:26.12`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Tolkfan1: It's been on the list for a long time, but just hasn't been a super high priority.`
`17:26.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`The grey.... It was moved the whole picture to the sid.e..`
`17:26.22`	`ckSynergy`	`Anyone have a link to a tutorial using SoP Rotators?`
`17:26.23`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`TheAlmaity: I just may, we'll see. :)`
`17:26.42`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Give me a good idea of what kind of formation scene to make.`
`17:27.00`	`zenxu`	`isnt part of the fun to bring out your own ideas?`
`17:27.01`	`TheAlmaity`	`hmmm...`
`17:27.25`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`That's true :)`
`17:27.28`	`TheAlmaity`	`A really well composed toss army in a good formation (zealots and archons in front) that heavily relies on its frontline to tank`
`17:27.32`	`TheAlmaity`	`then suddenly: Widow mines`
`17:27.50`	`zenxu`	`I was also wondering can you change units properties somehow? autokey always or what?`
`17:27.54`	`zenxu`	`like speed`
`17:28.08`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Most properties on nodes can be animated.`
`17:28.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yo Vailreth do you know?`
`17:28.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://i.imgur.com/u3L95.png`
`17:28.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`Sooo annoyin`
`17:28.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`it lets me change teh grey to black if I right click it...`
`17:28.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`so its not a visual bug..`
`17:28.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`its something I screwed up`
`17:28.44`	`zenxu`	`btw I hate terrain deformers`
`17:28.51`	`zenxu`	`they fuck everything up when I try new stuff :(`
`17:29.06`	`zenxu`	`I guess I might show it while Im at it`
`17:29.43`	`Taintedwisp`	`NVM`
`17:29.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`i got it..`
`17:29.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`damn I am dumb`
`17:29.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`I accidentally hit the sliderbar`
`17:30.18`	`zenxu`	`oh wtf`
`17:30.27`	`zenxu`	`the cursor doesnt capture on screen shot`
`17:30.28`	`zenxu`	`cannot show the bug then`
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`17:32.31`	`mille25`	`hi`
`17:32.44`	`zenxu`	`hi`
`17:33.15`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`When does the WCE end?`
`17:33.36`	`TheAlmaity`	`monday, technically seen`
`17:33.43`	`TheAlmaity`	`but it hasnt been decided whether its weekly or biweekly yet`
`17:37.35`	`ckSynergy`	`I could really use a bit of help with sOP actors if anyone has a minute to spare`
`17:38.37`	`TheAlmaity`	`which SOp in particular?`
`17:38.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hey What .DDS settings should I use in photoshop to save a loading screen`
`17:38.46`	`ckSynergy`	`Rotator`
`17:38.53`	`ckSynergy`	`or Rotate Smooth`
`17:38.53`	`TheAlmaity`	`havent tried that one yet`
`17:38.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`my last one was blurry until the map fully loaded...`
`17:39.05`	`ckSynergy`	`regardless, can you explain how theyre generally set up?`
`17:39.13`	`TheAlmaity`	`nop, never made one >.>`
`17:39.24`	`ckSynergy`	`I can figure out the details on it if I can just figure out how to apply it lol`
`17:39.34`	`ckSynergy`	`erm`
`17:39.49`	`TheAlmaity`	`you add it to the actor's "Host: Site Operations" field`
`17:40.06`	`ckSynergy`	`but is that permanent, or do you have to "trigger" it?`
`17:40.17`	`TheAlmaity`	`permanent`
`17:40.23`	`ckSynergy`	`yea, see thats the issue`
`17:40.33`	`ckSynergy`	`a basic local offset or whatever is easy`
`17:40.47`	`ckSynergy`	`but having the SoP apply when an effect is used...`
`17:42.21`	`ckSynergy`	`hmmm maybe..`
`17:42.34`	`ckSynergy`	`oh wow`
`17:42.37`	`ckSynergy`	`thats freakin awesome`
`17:44.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`OKAY`
`17:44.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`What do you guys think?`
`17:44.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/EvolutionFrenzyBETA.jpg`
`17:44.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`ITs just for when the map enters beta`
`17:44.25`	`Taintedwisp`	`which shouldnt be too long`
`17:46.21`	`Vailreth`	`Blizz-Artestru: how do you set the end time for a camera cut in the CSE?`
`17:46.34`	`zenxu`	`uglyyy`
`17:48.11`	`zenxu`	`you should add me there`
`17:48.20`	`zenxu`	`I gave you tons of feedback on how ugly it is xD`
`17:49.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`17:49.08`	`Exaken`	`"Ugly" -Zenx`
`17:49.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`I changed the Font, on Evolution lol`
`17:49.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`To a single font...`
`17:49.30`	`zenxu`	`consistiency on everything!`
`17:49.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`That didnt turn out as well as I had hoped`
`17:52.54`	`TheAlmaity`	`Dont like that loading screen. Far too messy`
`17:53.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`17:53.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yeah`
`17:53.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`Never claimed to be good at anything haah`
`17:54.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain041.jpg`
`17:54.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`Altered the text`
`17:54.20`	`TheAlmaity`	`Font is better`
`17:54.23`	`Kueken`	`I would remove the entire credits from the loading screen`
`17:54.24`	`TheAlmaity`	`but its overall still messy`
`17:54.28`	`Ahli`	`hard to read the stuff :S it's like squadron td's loading screen http://www.staredit.net/topic/15380/unread/#special`
`17:54.31`	`TheAlmaity`	`credits need to be tiny or removed`
`17:54.33`	`Kueken`	`put them anywhere else`
`17:54.40`	`TheAlmaity`	`or the background needs to be changed to something ridiculously simple`
`17:54.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`hmmm`
`17:55.03`	`Exaken`	`Draw something in paint`
`17:55.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yeah, for some reason I thought it would work like Mini Chop Farms had... for its loading screen`
`17:55.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`Its not even saved on the computer though`
`17:55.33`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`17:55.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`not worth exporting and yadda yadda`
`17:56.12`	`TheAlmaity`	`this is the RuneCraft loading screen: http://i.imgur.com/Iifqz.png`
`17:56.22`	`TheAlmaity`	`lots of text, but doesnt attack your eyes with forks`
`17:56.46`	`Ahli`	`but text is hard to read`
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`17:56.56`	`Ahli`	`disapproves`
`17:56.58`	`Kueken`	`Tbh I don't like the runecraft one very much, either :D`
`17:57.01`	`Bounty`	`So, just got an email from Blizzard. They want to feature Ling Ling Rocket! lolol`
`17:57.02`	`TheAlmaity`	`:p`
`17:57.07`	`TheAlmaity`	`I think its less messy`
`17:57.08`	`Exaken`	`Blizz-Artestru: Any idea why this happened? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/46470183/Naamloos1.png`
`17:57.34`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Ooh, that's bad.`
`17:57.47`	`Exaken`	`:O`
`17:57.51`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`What was the object before? What did you do when it occurred?`
`17:57.56`	`Exaken`	`Text object`
`17:57.57`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`It means the tree is all confused.`
`17:57.58`	`Exaken`	`node`
`17:58.09`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`What was the text in the text objecT?`
`17:58.09`	`Exaken`	`I just loaded the map`
`17:58.15`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Did it have a slash or something in it?`
`17:58.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`hahah cool bounty`
`17:58.25`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`17:58.35`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Vailreth: I don't understand your question.`
`17:58.39`	`Bounty`	`In my response i told him to take a look at Photon Discs aswell :)`
`17:58.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`Though I have noticed even with being Featured, Snipers Promo isnt on page one, last time I checked`
`17:58.42`	`Exaken`	`I had a question mark in it`
`17:59.08`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`That should be fine.`
`17:59.18`	`Bounty`	`Yeah i dont expect it to be page 1 because of being featured`
`17:59.27`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I would suggest removing that object before it causes your scene to implode.`
`17:59.34`	`Ahli`	`then they ban you for unreal sounds, lol.`
`17:59.37`	`Exaken`	`haha`
`17:59.38`	`Exaken`	`ok`
`17:59.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`In thoery that was my expectations that a featured map would be played haha`
`17:59.43`	`Bounty`	`I'm just alittle shocked that Blizzard wants to feature Ling Ling Rocket over Photon Discs`
`17:59.55`	`Vailreth`	`right now in the CSE when you have an active camera object node and you have more that one camera cut in it it will ignore the following camera cuts`
`17:59.57`	`Bounty`	`Ahli, Ling Ling Rocket uses the original soundtrack from Chu Chu Rocket and they want to feature it`
`18:00.02`	`Bounty`	`So Bamf`
`18:00.05`	`Exaken`	`Uhm, how I remove it? the editor doesn't let me`
`18:00.07`	`Ahli`	`nobody knows chu chu rocket`
`18:00.19`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Damn`
`18:00.22`	`Vailreth`	`do i need to make them shorter or is there away to turn off a cut.`
`18:00.22`	`Bounty`	`Anyone who had a Dreamcast does`
`18:00.31`	`Ahli`	`oh god, I'm pasting 12 variables again`
`18:00.35`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Vailreth: You cut to a different camera when you're done with one camera cut.`
`18:00.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`ahaah`
`18:00.41`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`Are we talking about DC?`
`18:01.04`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`Ahli: Everybody knows chuchu!`
`18:01.13`	`Ahli`	`nope`
`18:01.26`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Exaken: Save before doing this... but try this... try dragging that object into a new folder and then deleting that folder.`
`18:01.30`	`Bounty`	`Hey, maybe they will feature Photon Discs along with Ling Ling Rocket lol`
`18:01.37`	`Bounty`	`:)`
`18:02.19`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`Photon, one of the few custom maps I took time to test. Was quite entertaining`
`18:02.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`Photon was a good map... Just the sounds were annoying last time I had played it`
`18:03.20`	`Bounty`	`Waiting on the guy from Blizz to email me back`
`18:03.30`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`What is the size limit for maps these days?`
`18:03.33`	`Bounty`	`I mentioned Photon Discs and linked the youtube`
`18:03.36`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`Enough to include ost for maps like discs?`
`18:03.39`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`music*`
`18:03.46`	`Bounty`	`well, Discs uses a mod`
`18:03.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`what you going to do if he emails you back and says, HEY we decided to go with Mini Chop Farms instead... much better`
`18:03.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`18:03.49`	`Bounty`	`to store the music`
`18:03.58`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`I dont recall music when I tried it`
`18:04.01`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`:p`
`18:04.09`	`mille25`	`congratz bounty! :)`
`18:04.10`	`Bounty`	`You prolly have your music volume down`
`18:04.10`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`Or if it was lack for UT music`
`18:04.35`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`Doh. That's probably it`
`18:04.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`I recall music but it was more of an ambiance music then anything.`
`18:04.46`	`zenxu`	`ling ling rocket is rage fest`
`18:04.48`	`zenxu`	`^^`
`18:05.04`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4yelHl3PEc`
`18:05.12`	`Bounty`	`Its prolly being featured bc of the loading screen`
`18:05.17`	`Bounty`	`>.<`
`18:05.53`	`Bounty`	`I just hope i dont have to do anything with the image, i only designed it.. i didnt make it lol`
`18:06.00`	`zenxu`	`well sort of nice to feature unknown maps`
`18:06.04`	`zenxu`	`discs is well known enough`
`18:06.08`	`zenxu`	`so why not`
`18:06.16`	`Bounty`	`meh i dont think Discs is as known as people think`
`18:06.35`	`Bounty`	`I uploaded Ling Ling to the Arcade like.. 3 days ago though`
`18:06.42`	`Exaken`	`Blizz-Artestru: I doesn't let me put in a folder either. It doesn't let me do anything with it`
`18:06.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`ahahaaahahah bounty I never saw that map ling ling before, looks cool`
`18:07.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`Love the vote screen too`
`18:07.11`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:07.17`	`zenxu`	`discs is 100 times better than ling ling rocket`
`18:07.24`	`Bounty`	`Yeah`
`18:07.32`	`Bounty`	`but hey`
`18:07.41`	`Bounty`	`if they wanna feature ling ling i'm not complaining`
`18:07.42`	`zenxu`	`but I still wonder if there is any point to feature known maps`
`18:07.57`	`Bounty`	`more exposure`
`18:08.02`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Exaken: Try this, then. Add a new cutscene to your map. Then right-click the old one and import everything but that broken object to your new cutscene.`
`18:08.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`Nah`
`18:08.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`TLing ling looks better`
`18:08.08`	`Bounty`	`I think Discs could be huge if it got featured`
`18:08.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`Just make a new Loading Screen for Ling Ling that says TRY PHOTON DISC`
`18:08.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`hahaa`
`18:08.24`	`zenxu`	`then you are delucional`
`18:08.27`	`zenxu`	`people know it`
`18:08.29`	`zenxu`	`and like it`
`18:08.34`	`zenxu`	`but people like squadron td more`
`18:08.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`I hate Squad TD`
`18:08.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`Crap map`
`18:08.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`And the Team Mode is stupid, and they had a terrainer, who sucked terrible`
`18:09.04`	`zenxu`	`playing with randoms ling ling rocket :D`
`18:09.06`	`zenxu`	`oh god`
`18:09.08`	`Bounty`	`(Ling Ling Rocket!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4yelHl3PEc VS. (Photon Discs) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVdw9XeasLw`
`18:09.08`	`Taintedwisp`	`And I mean SUCKED`
`18:09.09`	`zenxu`	`so many leavers`
`18:09.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`18:09.10`	`Vailreth`	`Blizz-Artestru sorry to ask but how cut between cameras? that seems to be my sticking point`
`18:09.15`	`zenxu`	`no way people wont leave from that game`
`18:09.24`	`Bounty`	`from ling ling?`
`18:09.25`	`mille25`	`hey`
`18:09.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`Ling Ling is better... im telliing you...`
`18:09.27`	`Bounty`	`oh yeah`
`18:09.32`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`PMing you Vail`
`18:09.33`	`Bounty`	`Lots of leavers in Ling Ling Rocket`
`18:09.34`	`Taintedwisp`	`Its way more original`
`18:09.37`	`mille25`	`does anyone of you here have experience with the custom tooltip dialog item type?`
`18:09.41`	`Bounty`	`If someone gets hit with 1 Colusses in Ling Ling they usually rage quit`
`18:09.41`	`mille25`	`i cant get them to work at all.`
`18:09.54`	`Taintedwisp`	`Photon Disc was just like the dodge ball in Wc3 but with new controls`
`18:10.05`	`Bounty`	`not really Tainted`
`18:10.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`The thing I liked about Photon Disc, was that it didnt have overly laggy controls`
`18:10.16`	`Bounty`	`You couldnt transform into a carrier and kill people with a trail of lightning in Dodge ball`
`18:10.22`	`Bounty`	`:)`
`18:10.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`Thats just an extra though haha`
`18:10.35`	`Bounty`	`and no dynamic walls`
`18:10.44`	`Bounty`	`pew pew`
`18:10.54`	`Taintedwisp`	`Ling ling is more original to the RTS Mapping though I still say`
`18:11.14`	`Bounty`	`Ling Ling runs better on the sc2 engine`
`18:11.25`	`Bounty`	`not that Discs runs like shit`
`18:11.29`	`zenxu`	`fun factor >>> originality`
`18:11.30`	`Bounty`	`but its pretty obvious`
`18:11.31`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:11.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`Originality == Fun Factor`
`18:11.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`I still say I hated Disc Sounds haha`
`18:11.54`	`TheAlmaity`	`nop, notreally`
`18:11.58`	`Bounty`	`also, are those guys with the Blizz behind their name actually from Blizzard`
`18:12.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`I would just Ctrl S for that map`
`18:12.06`	`TheAlmaity`	`yes`
`18:12.13`	`Bounty`	`interesting`
`18:12.24`	`Bounty`	`they definently wont feature any of my maps now`
`18:12.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`HAHHA`
`18:12.30`	`Bounty`	`they see me complaining`
`18:12.32`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:12.39`	`Bounty`	`even though im not`
`18:12.40`	`TheAlmaity`	`artestru works on the cutscene editor, while Deletarius and Tenarsis (Not here atm) work on "everything"`
`18:12.40`	`Bounty`	`just saying`
`18:12.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`Nah the devs we get are cool :D`
`18:12.51`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`:)`
`18:12.56`	`Bounty`	`When did this start?`
`18:13.00`	`Bounty`	`I've only been gone a few months`
`18:13.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`Right after 1.5 release`
`18:13.03`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`With the launch of 1.5`
`18:13.28`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`That :) said it all.`
`18:13.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`But yeah Bounty, go to your loading screen file and edit at the bottom, PLAY PHOTON DISC!!!!`
`18:13.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`or something`
`18:13.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`18:13.53`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:13.54`	`Bounty`	`nah`
`18:13.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`Not quite featured but it would get some exposure`
`18:14.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`Then go put...`
`18:14.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`PLAY MINI CHOP FARMS`
`18:14.06`	`Bounty`	`If Blizz like Ling Ling Rocket! more then Photon Discs then thats that`
`18:14.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`ahahah`
`18:14.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`my terrible terrible map`
`18:14.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`with 4 1/2 starts`
`18:14.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`18:14.29`	`Bounty`	`Besides, PHoton Discs has like 2000 ratings`
`18:14.33`	`Bounty`	`Ling Ling has... 2`
`18:14.43`	`Bounty`	`so i guess thats fair`
`18:15.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y54OQ3Svj1w People get serious with my map... well with the original from Wc2 HAHAHA`
`18:15.58`	`Bounty`	`If i didnt have a kid i would give this guy from Blizz that emailed me a call lol`
`18:16.16`	`Bounty`	`RAGE`
`18:16.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hey bounty guess what.... I dont have any kids haah`
`18:16.37`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:17.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`I guess I should make a New Mini Chop Farms Video... one of these centuries...`
`18:17.09`	`Bounty`	`Bounty does, and i think it would be awkward if i called this guy at the number he left and have a 19 month old freaking out in the backround`
`18:17.20`	`Bounty`	`So im going the email route`
`18:17.22`	`Taintedwisp`	`AHAHAHAHHA`
`18:17.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`Call him, and if he ask.. tell him its his mother..`
`18:17.42`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha]`
`18:17.46`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:18.02`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`Geez, I read that as "have a kid" and "have a 19 year old freaking out"`
`18:18.19`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`Oh, and hi bounty`
`18:18.19`	`Bounty`	`Woosh`
`18:18.24`	`Bounty`	`Way off`
`18:18.28`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`Yeah :D`
`18:18.29`	`Bounty`	`Howdy`
`18:18.33`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`Long time`
`18:18.38`	`Bounty`	`Abit, yes :)`
`18:18.52`	`Taintedwisp`	`Jademus was here a while back bounty, for about a month or two.`
`18:18.59`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`Do the blizz guys take requests for functions such as fetch bnet time into var? :p`
`18:19.08`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`~seen JademusReg`
`18:19.14`	`purl`	`jademusreg <18060e53@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.6.14.83> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 522d 12h 13m 59s ago, saying: 'this chat is getting irrating..'.`
`18:19.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yup`
`18:19.14`	`Bounty`	`I only came here to brag that finally after 2-3 years, and about 20-25 maps later.. i finally made it big`
`18:19.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`They do Artlas`
`18:19.19`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:19.23`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`~seen Jademus`
`18:19.24`	`purl`	`jademus <Owenalacas@c-76-123-249-135.hsd1.tn.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 335d 1h 18m 53s ago, saying: '(Wish we actually had namespaces.)'.`
`18:19.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`~seenJademusSreg`
`18:19.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`~seen JademusSreg`
`18:19.40`	`purl`	`jademussreg <~jademus.s@c-76-123-235-103.hsd1.tn.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 5d 21h 40m 34s ago, saying: 'Off By One.'.`
`18:19.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`There you go`
`18:19.48`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`I liked mine better :)`
`18:19.52`	`Bounty`	`JademusSreg and I are retired`
`18:19.53`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Yeah, we're the actual devs that work on the editor/sc2, so we'll definitely take any feedback or suggestions you have.`
`18:19.58`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`~seen nicoli_s`
`18:19.59`	`purl`	`nicoli_s <~nicoli_s@76.164.170.2> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 7d 3h 36m 45s ago, saying: 'time of day?'.`
`18:20.22`	`Taintedwisp`	`Art1as`
`18:20.22`	`HP-X\|Art1as`	`Blizz-Artestru: Is there any special reason for not being able to get bnet time in a map?`
`18:20.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6307501153`
`18:20.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`There you go`
`18:21.06`	`Bounty`	`Its funny, here i am... the king of third person shooter maps and WASD, i have the devs here and i'm afraid to ask the question`
`18:21.07`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Yeah, it wouldn't be a synchronous call and you wouldn't get the same result when you run the map as a replay.`
`18:21.19`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3229373010?page=1`
`18:21.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`Bounty... quit being a bitch... hahah`
`18:21.36`	`Bounty`	`I already know the answer i'll get though Taintedwisp`
`18:21.40`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:21.40`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Oh`
`18:21.42`	`Taintedwisp`	`Well`
`18:21.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`Tell me Ill gladly ask it`
`18:21.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hell I ask stupid questions all the time`
`18:21.52`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`18:21.55`	`Bounty`	`Take a wild guess at what i would ask`
`18:22.06`	`Bounty`	`I make third person shooters and always use WASD`
`18:22.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`Why does bounty love men?`
`18:22.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`AHHH`
`18:22.13`	`Bounty`	`what would i ask`
`18:22.14`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Blizz-Artestru: Ok.`
`18:22.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`LAGLASS WASD`
`18:22.17`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:22.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`18:22.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`It was asked a few days ago`
`18:22.26`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Arthas: Did that answer make sense?`
`18:22.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`Tenarsis said it was on a whiteboard...`
`18:22.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`somewhere`
`18:22.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`18:22.36`	`Bounty`	`yeah...`
`18:22.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`So they are discussing it`
`18:22.46`	`Bounty`	`maybe if they saw what i make they would get on it :)`
`18:22.53`	`Bounty`	`i think i prooved many times its worth it`
`18:22.55`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Lagless WASD is talked about frequently internally. If we had a good, easy solution we would've done it by now. :)`
`18:22.57`	`Bounty`	`proved*`
`18:23.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`Laglass WASD, Set next map in Battle.net, Texture Set swap by triggers, and Map size`
`18:23.18`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`"map size"?`
`18:23.22`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Like a bigger map size?`
`18:23.25`	`Taintedwisp`	`yeah`
`18:23.32`	`Ahli`	`I demand that ;D`
`18:23.33`	`Taintedwisp`	`Just stuff that is hard to do`
`18:23.35`	`Bounty`	`Actually i do have a question`
`18:23.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`And Im sure you guys are talking about`
`18:23.47`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`They're all on our list :)`
`18:23.48`	`Bounty`	`I read that you will be able to tie custom UI buttons to hotkeys`
`18:23.53`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Blizz-Artestru: More or less.`
`18:24.06`	`Bounty`	`So what i'm thinking and im curious if this would work`
`18:24.15`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Thanks :)`
`18:24.21`	`Bounty`	`Would adding WASD to custom UI buttons that are hotkeyed to WASD be more responsive?`
`18:24.24`	`mille25`	`hey artestru, do you have any experience with the dialog system? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6564226378?page=1#0`
`18:25.00`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Also, has blizz ppl showing up here destroyed all OT discussion? :(`
`18:25.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hey Bounty have you checked your Photon Disc Since Patch 1.5 to make sure the controls are still near laglass?`
`18:25.09`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I don't believe so because the unit still wouldn't visually move until the action is processed.`
`18:25.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`Lagless*`
`18:25.15`	`mille25`	`@bounty: i have tested this some while back, there was no difference in using a data WASD and a triggered WASD.`
`18:25.25`	`Bounty`	`Yeah it still runs the same as before Taintedwisp`
`18:25.28`	`mille25`	`also, hotkeyed buttons dont repond faster than trigger hotkeys.`
`18:25.29`	`Bounty`	`almost lagless`
`18:25.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`kk was wondering due to streaming now and such`
`18:25.43`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Mille25: That's more Tenarsis's area.`
`18:25.51`	`mille25`	`alright.`
`18:26.04`	`Kueken`	`mille: from my tests, there was a differenze of 0.03125 seconds :D`
`18:26.11`	`mille25`	`lol`
`18:26.16`	`Kueken`	`*difference`
`18:26.23`	`TheAlmaity`	`thats so much :D`
`18:26.30`	`mille25`	`so, how did you test this?`
`18:26.35`	`mille25`	`:D`
`18:26.43`	`Bounty`	`Only about 20 or 30 out of the 2,000 reviews for Photon Discs reported WASD/Control lag.`
`18:26.46`	`Bounty`	`So thats pretty good`
`18:26.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`With a pocketwatch and a monocle... HOW ELSE COULD KUEKEN DO IT`
`18:26.56`	`Kueken`	`I used a data ability with a hotkey, which killed the caster`
`18:26.56`	`Bounty`	`All the others still praise it for being responsive`
`18:27.09`	`Kueken`	`and a trigger reacting to the same key, which killed another unit`
`18:27.24`	`Kueken`	`then used death event`
`18:27.28`	`mille25`	`about WASD lag, its actually impressive if you play a game alone online on weird times like 3am at night... there is basically no delay then`
`18:27.36`	`Ahli`	`how did you make a synchronous start?`
`18:27.45`	`Kueken`	`the data unit always died 1 0.03125 tick before the trigger unit did`
`18:27.57`	`mille25`	`interresting.`
`18:28.00`	`Kueken`	`both were started with the same key ahli`
`18:28.05`	`Ahli`	`oh :D`
`18:28.06`	`mille25`	`that might mean than trigger events are in a 0.0625 second loop`
`18:28.10`	`mille25`	`while data uses 0.03125`
`18:28.15`	`Kueken`	`no, actually`
`18:28.18`	`mille25`	`evetually.`
`18:28.32`	`Kueken`	`I did some other tests`
`18:28.35`	`Kueken`	`which suggested`
`18:28.53`	`Bounty`	`Blizz-Artestru i am curious if anyone at Blizzard even knows what Photon Discs is. lol`
`18:29.02`	`Bounty`	`I need to know`
`18:29.02`	`Kueken`	`that the game runs on 0.03125, but proceeds data and triggers each other tick`
`18:29.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`Photon Disc... its a type of Pizza right?`
`18:29.20`	`Bounty`	`oh you`
`18:29.21`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Of course we do, I've personally played it a bunch.`
`18:29.30`	`Kueken`	`so, first tick -> data update`
`18:29.35`	`Kueken`	`second -> trigger update`
`18:29.41`	`Kueken`	`third -> data again`
`18:29.43`	`TheAlmaity`	`have any of you played RuneCraft, Blizz-Artestru? :p`
`18:29.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`Mini Chop Farms, is far superior... YOU CHOP TREES MAN!!!!! TREES!!!! AND INSANE NOTION`
`18:29.45`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`It's a fun map, although I'm pretty bad at it. :)`
`18:29.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`18:29.52`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I've played RuneCraft as well... although it was a while ago.`
`18:30.00`	`mille25`	`yeah thats possible.`
`18:30.04`	`Kueken`	`for this, I altered the location of a unit every 0.03125`
`18:30.05`	`mille25`	`but still irrelevant for me`
`18:30.13`	`TheAlmaity`	`I dont like those 3 dots :(`
`18:30.14`	`mille25`	`ive made my own tests`
`18:30.16`	`mille25`	`and with my eye`
`18:30.19`	`mille25`	`there was no difference`
`18:30.23`	`Kueken`	`interestingly the visuals only showed up on one place`
`18:30.25`	`mille25`	`i had a trigger and a data spell spawn a unit`
`18:30.27`	`mille25`	`same hotkey`
`18:30.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`... how about hose dots?`
`18:30.33`	`Kueken`	`while the physical unit was located at the other`
`18:30.39`	`Bounty`	`I think i just won my long lasting arguement about copyright`
`18:30.39`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Heh, those dots were just me pausing to think. :)`
`18:30.40`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (~Bibendus@ip-80-249-36-63.static.adsl.cheapnet.it)`
`18:30.43`	`TheAlmaity`	`lol`
`18:30.52`	`Bounty`	`He just said he has played Photon Discs along with others at Blizzard`
`18:30.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`Those were dots of Malice and hatred.... EVIL!!!!1`
`18:30.58`	`Bounty`	`which means they know the music in it`
`18:31.02`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Runecraft was fun, too. It was a little broken in the version I played (upgrades didn't work for some reason), but we played until it caused the graphics engine to melt a few times.`
`18:31.05`	`Bounty`	`and i am not in jail or banned`
`18:31.09`	`Bounty`	`so bam`
`18:31.14`	`Bounty`	`i finally win the copyright arguement`
`18:31.19`	`TheAlmaity`	`lol, what did I do to break the graphics?`
`18:31.29`	`Bounty`	`Suck on that Ahli`
`18:31.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`No you dont`
`18:31.31`	`Bounty`	`:)`
`18:31.34`	`Kueken`	`well, even if data input has a 0.03125 edge over trigger input, it is nothing compared to the default 0.25 bnet delay`
`18:31.37`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`There were so many units and we were constantly nuking/psi storming or whatever`
`18:31.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`Imma post the full movie of Avengers on my map then`
`18:31.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`ahaha`
`18:31.41`	`Ahli`	`:D`
`18:31.46`	`Bounty`	`He just said people at Blizzard have played it`
`18:31.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`Then we will see who wins the copyright`
`18:31.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`18:31.51`	`TheAlmaity`	`Ah, ok`
`18:31.52`	`Bounty`	`and it uses unreal tournament music and sfx`
`18:31.57`	`Bounty`	`so`
`18:31.57`	`TheAlmaity`	`that was kinda fixed recently :p`
`18:32.07`	`Bounty`	`I mean we could straight up ask him right now`
`18:32.16`	`Bounty`	`and settle it`
`18:32.17`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Bounty: The first rule of us hanging out in chat is that you don't read too into anything we say.`
`18:32.18`	`TheAlmaity`	`every 8 mins spawn times increase (capped at the third time)`
`18:32.18`	`mille25`	`yeah so even if there might be a difference between data and triggers its so small that it cant even be detected by humans and doesnt justify the gay data-workaround that makes WASD movement alot more complex and less flexible.`
`18:32.29`	`Kueken`	`yep`
`18:32.34`	`Kueken`	`my opinion exactly`
`18:32.35`	`mille25`	`thats why scu still uses trigger WASD`
`18:32.37`	`Bounty`	`O'`
`18:32.39`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Yeah I think our games were like 45 minutes.`
`18:32.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`yeah bounty the things I have learned, is dont ask outside their department or about things that are upcoming in the future haha`
`18:32.58`	`TheAlmaity`	`yea, I added that fix sometime during the arcade beta`
`18:32.59`	`Bounty`	`Just felt like pwning Ahli`
`18:33.02`	`Bounty`	`:)`
`18:33.09`	`TheAlmaity`	`nice to know you guys played it though ;)`
`18:33.15`	`Ahli`	`maybe they played without sound`
`18:33.19`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:33.21`	`Bounty`	`oh god`
`18:33.23`	`mille25`	`im sure artestru wants to tell us smth about titan!`
`18:33.40`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`If only I didn't value my job...`
`18:33.41`	`TheAlmaity`	`lol, I wonder what Titan is. I hope it gets revealed sometime soon`
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`18:33.47`	`TheAlmaity`	`but it wont this year for sure`
`18:33.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`If Titan is World of Starcraft, you have to promise me Artestru that you set all copies on fire...`
`18:33.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`18:33.51`	`mille25`	`screw it! :D`
`18:34.01`	`TheAlmaity`	`they would've held a blizzcon if it were to be revealed this year`
`18:34.13`	`Bounty`	`I bet as soon as Blizz Devs started showing up in here the whole Activision/Blizzard bashing discussions stopped happening overnight`
`18:34.15`	`mille25`	`im sure blizzcon 2013 will announce it`
`18:34.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`They have never revealed any games at Blizzcon I dont think`
`18:34.18`	`Kueken`	`Blizz-Artestru: noone will know, we got teh info from you`
`18:34.21`	`Kueken`	`:D`
`18:34.30`	`Kueken`	`(except deletarius ofc)`
`18:34.36`	`Ahli`	`google logs this irc or something`
`18:34.42`	`Kueken`	`nevah`
`18:34.43`	`Kueken`	`!`
`18:34.51`	`Bounty`	`Bobby Kotick reads the IRC logs`
`18:34.59`	`mille25`	`titan isnt world of starcraft`
`18:35.02`	`Ahli`	`I found parts of these irc chats with google when I was searching something`
`18:35.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`Actually IRC are never logged, Thats why groups such as Anonymous uses them`
`18:35.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`huh really?`
`18:35.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`Thats werid`
`18:35.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`weird`
`18:35.17`	`Ahli`	`yes`
`18:35.17`	`mille25`	`lol :D`
`18:35.19`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`It's all logged.`
`18:35.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`really?`
`18:35.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`POOGETTIOHS`
`18:35.31`	`Kueken`	`then`
`18:35.35`	`Kueken`	`change your nick _D`
`18:35.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`18:35.37`	`mille25`	`lol owned`
`18:35.46`	`Ahli`	`even artestru's keyboard input is logged >_> no, I don't think so`
`18:35.53`	`TheAlmaity`	`ok, can you answer this one Artestru: On a scale of 1 to 10, how awesome is Titan?`
`18:36.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`Now I know that someone at blizzard has me logged saying PoogettiOhs... awesome`
`18:36.10`	`zenxu`	`lolol question`
`18:36.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`Thats the God cheat for Wc5 right?`
`18:36.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`wc5... sooo awesome it skips 4`
`18:36.32`	`mille25`	`id love warcraft 4.`
`18:36.35`	`Kueken`	`4 will be a dlc for 5`
`18:36.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`lawl`
`18:36.47`	`mille25`	`i like the fantasy theme more for mapping than the sc theme`
`18:36.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`YEah, I love Starcraft though`
`18:36.59`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`This is probably a good time to take lunch!`
`18:37.03`	`Kueken`	`well, probably not, since Blizzard doesn't believe in dlc`
`18:37.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`It does great for Maps like evolution Frenzy`
`18:37.04`	`TheAlmaity`	`lol`
`18:37.07`	`TheAlmaity`	`cya later then :)`
`18:37.18`	`Taintedwisp`	`Cya Later Artestru`
`18:37.27`	`Ahli`	`because you eat at your desk and stare at the irc chat :S`
`18:39.20`	`mille25`	`:P`
`18:39.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`OKAY ITS DECIDED... I am a terrible Graphic artist...`
`18:39.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`hahah`
`18:39.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`I need to find one of those...`
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`18:40.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`Someone who Can make me an Arcade picture and a Loading screen`
`18:40.12`	`Taintedwisp`	`and a good one`
`18:40.59`	`mille25`	`what project are you working on?`
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`18:44.57`	`Tolkfan1`	`ibot.rikers.org/%23sc2mapster/ logs since 2009 :P`
`18:45.01`	`Exaken`	`Blizz-Artestru: The text node changed to a folder again after I added a marine! :O`
`18:45.30`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`What is the exact text of the node?`
`18:46.02`	`Exaken`	`The name of the node was "TextGhost"`
`18:46.24`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`What about the text itself?`
`18:46.26`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`That it was displaying`
`18:46.29`	`Exaken`	`"Where's the rest of you?"`
`18:46.42`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`hmmm`
`18:47.27`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`That works for me...`
`18:47.47`	`Exaken`	`Uh`
`18:47.55`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Is it in a folder?`
`18:48.11`	`Exaken`	`It changed back to a text node after I added another text node.`
`18:48.29`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Alright, I'll have my tester start pounding on text nodes. Sounds like somethign is buggy there.`
`18:49.33`	`Exaken`	`The name is now what the text is... that is "Where's the rest of you?"`
`18:49.43`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Right`
`18:49.48`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`That's what it's supposed to do`
`18:50.19`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Although I'm aware of a minor bug where it doesn't update after the text changes until the next time it rebuilds the tree.`
`18:50.36`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`(such as an add/remove)`
`18:50.53`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`If you end up noticing reproducible steps with it, let me know.`
`18:51.02`	`Exaken`	`ok`
`18:51.10`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Also next time it happens, export your cutscene and send it to me`
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`18:52.13`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`And just to confirm, you're not using any XML in your text to change color or add an icon, right?`
`18:52.35`	`Exaken`	`Nope`
`18:52.49`	`Exaken`	`Haven't touched color or icons`
`18:53.18`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`okay`
`18:53.24`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`well let us know if you see it again`
`18:55.46`	`Bounty`	`pew pew`
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`18:56.32`	`Vailreth`	`any one else notice the camera transform manipluators get in the way if you are vewing the camera in a pane wile moving it in another?`
`18:57.18`	`zenxu`	`god damn`
`18:57.23`	`zenxu`	`cant find my old mining map :(`
`18:57.32`	`zenxu`	`I actually tried to remake it`
`18:57.39`	`zenxu`	`but it appears Iv become dumber`
`18:57.43`	`zenxu`	`and cannot produce same stuff :D`
`18:57.49`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:58.03`	`Bounty`	`i tried doing that a few weeks ago, i still got it but i just dont feel like doing it :)`
`18:58.12`	`Bounty`	`Was going to remake/finish Win the Crowd`
`18:59.46`	`Bounty`	`I'm still surprised to actually see people here`
`19:00.01`	`mille25`	`why?`
`19:00.19`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MaskedPoptart (~Daniel@udp215661uds.hawaiiantel.net)`
`19:00.24`	`Bounty`	`Was pretty sure all the major players quit`
`19:00.31`	`Creation25`	`hi Bounty`
`19:00.41`	`Bounty`	`Hello person`
`19:00.48`	`mille25`	`all major mappers, you mean?`
`19:00.54`	`Bounty`	`Yep`
`19:01.03`	`mille25`	`hm. i dont know many who actually quit`
`19:01.06`	`mille25`	`except, maybe, mephs`
`19:01.11`	`Creation25`	`This is Ryan, Bounty :P`
`19:01.17`	`Bounty`	`Mephs, JademusSreg, Me`
`19:01.22`	`Bounty`	`thats really it`
`19:01.25`	`Bounty`	`oh`
`19:01.27`	`Bounty`	`RyanWin :)`
`19:01.36`	`mille25`	`well. you didnt quit :P`
`19:01.43`	`Bounty`	`yeah i did lol`
`19:01.52`	`mille25`	`you are still here!`
`19:01.59`	`Creation25`	`Jade moved on to other things.`
`19:02.01`	`Bounty`	`Doesnt mean i'm making anything`
`19:02.15`	`Creation25`	`He still helps people around here from time to time though`
`19:02.53`	`Bounty`	`I'll come back when i can make money for my time spent on the editor mwahahaha`
`19:03.05`	`Bounty`	`Also`
`19:03.05`	`mille25`	`:D`
`19:03.11`	`Bounty`	`Ryan, how bout dat SCU`
`19:03.12`	`Bounty`	`lolol`
`19:03.19`	`Bounty`	`cancelled?`
`19:03.20`	`Creation25`	`Still coming along.`
`19:03.35`	`zenxu`	`I also feel like I wont finish my RPG cause its gona take too long for no pay`
`19:03.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`Bounty... while all the "Major mappers" that you knew have moved on, Many more mappers have gotten much better :P`
`19:03.39`	`zenxu`	`but dunno`
`19:03.39`	`Creation25`	`I think we have... what 19,000 actions now Mille in the engine? lol`
`19:03.44`	`zenxu`	`Ill work slowly`
`19:03.55`	`mille25`	`19000 action calls maybe yes`
`19:03.57`	`Bounty`	`I won't be satisfied until someone takes my place`
`19:04.01`	`Bounty`	`:)`
`19:04.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`19:04.13`	`mille25`	`since actually`
`19:04.14`	`mille25`	`but i dont quite like talking about source code size`
`19:04.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`I am sticking to making maps that I like to make haha`
`19:04.17`	`mille25`	`a big source code is BAD`
`19:04.18`	`mille25`	`not good`
`19:04.19`	`mille25`	`haha`
`19:04.53`	`mille25`	`alot of people are like "well i have XXXX lines of code, take that!"`
`19:04.59`	`mille25`	`and then you notice they copy pasted like idiots.`
`19:05.07`	`Creation25`	`At least our XML data is still small. :)`
`19:05.08`	`zenxu`	`lots of people? like who`
`19:05.26`	`mille25`	`i remember the forum thread on mapster`
`19:05.30`	`MaskedPoptart`	`zenxu: like pretty much everyone`
`19:05.36`	`mille25`	`in which dogmai stated how large tofu assets are`
`19:05.41`	`Ahli`	`^^`
`19:05.42`	`mille25`	`and we had people posting about code size`
`19:05.43`	`mille25`	`and i loled.`
`19:05.46`	`zenxu`	`well dogmai is dogmai xD`
`19:05.48`	`Bounty`	`Tofu is a myth`
`19:05.52`	`Bounty`	`Its not even real`
`19:06.01`	`mille25`	`:D`
`19:06.20`	`mille25`	`some people called scu fake aswell`
`19:06.22`	`mille25`	`on youtube`
`19:06.22`	`Bounty`	`I know because i tested the beta he hosted`
`19:06.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`19:06.29`	`Bounty`	`Map loaded up and it was just a Rick Roll video`
`19:06.29`	`mille25`	`i mean wtf, the video was fake?!`
`19:06.33`	`Taintedwisp`	`hahahaah`
`19:06.38`	`Creation25`	`Would be pretty tough to fake.`
`19:06.40`	`TheAlmaity`	`SCU gonna be out before HotS? lol`
`19:06.49`	`Creation25`	`Probably not.`
`19:06.50`	`mille25`	`actually it would be harder to fake the trailer than making scu`
`19:06.50`	`mille25`	`haha`
`19:06.52`	`Taintedwisp`	`SCU... ew...`
`19:06.52`	`Taintedwisp`	`hahah`
`19:07.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`DAMMIT CREATION DONT TEMPT BLIZZARD TO MAKE A WoS!!!`
`19:07.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`ahahaha`
`19:07.12`	`mille25`	`wrong answer`
`19:07.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`bad for everyone`
`19:07.16`	`mille25`	`release is soon(tm)`
`19:07.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`19:07.22`	`Bounty`	`SCU will likely bomb though`
`19:07.23`	`Creation25`	`Well considering HoTS is in beta now, I'd say they're going to try and release it around Christmas time.`
`19:07.36`	`mille25`	`i think it wont make it in 2012 (hots)`
`19:07.39`	`TheAlmaity`	`dont think they'll manage christmas`
`19:07.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`ahh coo,, I was under the impression by SEVERAL people, that SCU was dead... 2 years ago...`
`19:07.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`lawl`
`19:07.50`	`mille25`	`alot of discussion about protoss already`
`19:07.52`	`Taintedwisp`	`Good to know its still going`
`19:07.55`	`Bounty`	`I'll be shocked if SCU actually hits the top of the top played list`
`19:07.56`	`TheAlmaity`	`I mean, apart from the world ending before it, its not even close to balanced`
`19:08.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`It might bounty`
`19:08.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`If it uses WASD controls... if they are not lagless... then no`
`19:08.35`	`Bounty`	`Doubt it, only 1 WASD map has ever made it to the top of the list`
`19:08.36`	`mille25`	`well scu is not really a game for the top played list`
`19:08.37`	`Bounty`	`that i know of`
`19:08.42`	`Ahli`	`I guess they require the full 6 months again. :D`
`19:08.42`	`Creation25`	`Ssssshhhhh`
`19:08.47`	`mille25`	`if we wanted that we would do a TD.`
`19:08.47`	`Creation25`	`Stop jinxing us.`
`19:09.00`	`Bounty`	`Not jinxing`
`19:09.01`	`mille25`	`im going for`
`19:09.03`	`mille25`	`5 months`
`19:09.04`	`Bounty`	`just telling you from experience lol`
`19:09.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`I CURSE SCU to be ON PAGE 100 1/2 FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!!!`
`19:09.06`	`mille25`	`calling it now! :D`
`19:09.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`and my curses really work...`
`19:09.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`truely`
`19:09.14`	`Creation25`	`Nooooo :)`
`19:09.25`	`Bounty`	`If its not 100% LAGLESS WASD it will bomb in one way or another`
`19:09.31`	`Bounty`	`which it can't be lagless`
`19:09.46`	`Creation25`	`I don't agree with that.`
`19:09.49`	`Bounty`	`if it has like 0.000001 second delay`
`19:09.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`yeah sadly as bounty says, well for your map it COULD be fine if its as good as bountes controls`
`19:09.56`	`Bounty`	`People will complain and not play lol`
`19:10.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`There will always be complainers`
`19:10.17`	`Bounty`	`I dont think it will be as responsive as Discs`
`19:10.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`No matter what you do...`
`19:10.23`	`Bounty`	`Discs has ALOT less going on`
`19:10.27`	`Bounty`	`in terms of triggers`
`19:10.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yeah`
`19:10.34`	`mille25`	`its a difference playing a shooter with laggy WASD vs playing a RPG`
`19:10.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`I had somoene comlpain... that you couldnt uproot and move the trees in mini Chop farms..`
`19:10.56`	`Taintedwisp`	`complete stupidity`
`19:11.02`	`mille25`	`:D`
`19:11.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`Why would I want to Uproot trees...`
`19:11.18`	`Bounty`	`thats not true mille`
`19:11.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`you chop them for a reason..`
`19:11.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`you can build walls`
`19:11.22`	`zenxu`	`wow bounty came here just to hate on people`
`19:11.30`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:11.33`	`Taintedwisp`	`hes a hater for sure`
`19:11.34`	`Bounty`	`Hate Hate Hate`
`19:11.40`	`mille25`	`:'(`
`19:11.42`	`Creation25`	`We have a lot going on in the game that will compensate for the asynchronous delay.`
`19:11.44`	`Bounty`	`im not hating`
`19:11.47`	`Bounty`	`im just saying`
`19:11.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`but hes not as good as me at it... cause he still hates his own life`
`19:11.54`	`ckSynergy`	`BOO YA! sOPs can be attached dynamically`
`19:11.56`	`Bounty`	`its not like im saying SCU sucks`
`19:11.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`you cant truely hate others until you can love yourself`
`19:11.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`19:12.00`	`Bounty`	`bc it doesnt`
`19:12.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`SCU SUCKS`
`19:12.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`bounty said it`
`19:12.11`	`Creation25`	`XD`
`19:12.12`	`Bounty`	`im just saying that the delay will kill it`
`19:12.16`	`mille25`	`let me get a quote`
`19:12.28`	`Bounty`	`bc when it comes to RPG's people want responsive combat`
`19:12.36`	`Bounty`	`but thats just from what i've seen`
`19:12.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`[15:11] <Bounty> SCU SUCKS`
`19:12.39`	`Creation25`	`Suprisingly, the delay isn't even noticeable in the abilities.`
`19:12.40`	`mille25`	`"[20:23] <Blizz-Artestru> Lagless WASD is talked about frequently internally. [...]" :D`
`19:12.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`Let the record show`
`19:12.45`	`zenxu`	`I think the PvP on scu wasnt that bad in terms of delay/lagg`
`19:12.48`	`zenxu`	`so dunno`
`19:13.13`	`Creation25`	`Delay has improved since the developer preview as well.`
`19:13.22`	`Creation25`	`Thanks to Blizzards update in 1.4`
`19:13.26`	`Bounty`	`I would hope so`
`19:13.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`SCU cant be too large of a map though sadly, due to 256 x 256`
`19:13.34`	`Bounty`	`How did 1.4 improve delay?`
`19:13.45`	`Creation25`	`Not sure, but they did something.`
`19:13.53`	`Bounty`	`Also Tainted`
`19:13.55`	`Bounty`	`thats not true`
`19:14.00`	`Bounty`	`Scale everything down`
`19:14.04`	`Bounty`	`and you have more map space :)`
`19:14.14`	`Creation25`	`Nah we just spread SCU accross multiple maps.`
`19:14.20`	`Bounty`	`thats why Photon Discs runs so well, bc everything is scaled down by like 1/4th of its normal size`
`19:14.36`	`zenxu`	`spreading with multiple maps sucks too`
`19:14.46`	`zenxu`	`compete on most played :/`
`19:14.57`	`mille25`	`who cares about most played`
`19:15.06`	`zenxu`	`everyone`
`19:15.11`	`mille25`	`i dont`
`19:15.11`	`Creation25`	`Not us.`
`19:15.15`	`TheAlmaity`	`not really everyone`
`19:15.24`	`TheAlmaity`	`its a nice bonus to be among the most played`
`19:15.26`	`Bounty`	`So if SCU never gets played after launch, it wouldnt bother you?`
`19:15.26`	`mille25`	`look at the crap at the top`
`19:15.28`	`mille25`	`its just top played because`
`19:15.32`	`mille25`	`it has alot of slots`
`19:15.33`	`Taintedwisp`	`Damn I just thought of something awesome for the editor... then I kept reading these post and I forgot..`
`19:15.34`	`zenxu`	`exactly`
`19:15.36`	`mille25`	`and the perfect game type.`
`19:15.37`	`TheAlmaity`	`But I dont care as long as I can play it with friends/map night`
`19:15.42`	`zenxu`	`stupid to say you dont care if people dont play it`
`19:15.43`	`Taintedwisp`	`It was one of those... AWESOME DAMN type deals`
`19:15.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`19:15.44`	`Creation25`	`All we care about is creating something awesome. If we manage to do that, everything else will fall into place.`
`19:15.59`	`Bounty`	`So your assuming people will play`
`19:16.05`	`Bounty`	`you're*`
`19:16.07`	`TheAlmaity`	`some will`
`19:16.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`Bounty... you are forgetting something`
`19:16.12`	`Bounty`	`thank god JademusSreg isnt here`
`19:16.12`	`TheAlmaity`	`Im sure of t`
`19:16.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`Open Games List is out`
`19:16.18`	`TheAlmaity`	`I mean, who here in this chat wont try it?`
`19:16.22`	`mille25`	`just as an example: a TD map with 14 slots will always outplay scu with 5 slots in top played, simply because a td can take forever and has alot of slots.`
`19:16.25`	`Taintedwisp`	`Ill try it for sure`
`19:16.28`	`Bounty`	`Open Games List is backwards`
`19:16.30`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:16.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`of course im game for anything`
`19:16.32`	`Bounty`	`so doesnt do much`
`19:16.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`No its not backwards, and Actually it does a lt`
`19:16.40`	`Bounty`	`it helps but they need to reverse it`
`19:16.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`Its set up with a hidden machanic`
`19:16.54`	`Bounty`	`hidden...`
`19:16.56`	`Bounty`	`the longest u wait`
`19:16.58`	`Bounty`	`the further down u go`
`19:16.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`When you map drops on the list Fun Or not Puts players in your lobby for you`
`19:17.00`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:17.17`	`zenxu`	`even my RPG made it to top12 for a day xD`
`19:17.18`	`Bounty`	`Fun or Not is like the worst way to get players`
`19:17.23`	`Bounty`	`You wanan talk about leavers?`
`19:17.24`	`zenxu`	`with 4 players`
`19:17.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`Well.`
`19:17.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`cant help taht`
`19:17.32`	`zenxu`	`but then it dropped cause not much content`
`19:17.34`	`Bounty`	`Fun or Not is the best way to get a game full of leavers lol`
`19:17.42`	`mille25`	`i agree that fun or not needs at least a category filter.`
`19:17.53`	`Creation25`	`I tried to get Blizzard to do away with the top played altogether, because it's based on a system of time, and not quality or rating. If you put StarFox 64 against a Tower Defense game, StarFox 64 would always lose, even though it is a significantly better game.`
`19:18.10`	`mille25`	`not only that`
`19:18.15`	`mille25`	`it also causes a snowball effect`
`19:18.16`	`Bounty`	`I disagree`
`19:18.19`	`mille25`	`most played will get most new players.`
`19:18.20`	`*** join/#sc2mapster ducky (53f1057d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.241.5.125)`
`19:18.22`	`Bounty`	`StarFox 64 sucked`
`19:18.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`hhaa`
`19:18.30`	`Creation25`	`Ha..`
`19:18.31`	`Bounty`	`All StarFox games did imo`
`19:18.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`Now if someone completely remade Mario 64... then.. It would kick Squad TDs ass`
`19:18.42`	`Taintedwisp`	`hahaah`
`19:18.43`	`Bounty`	`but thats just me`
`19:18.43`	`Creation25`	`Megaman then?`
`19:18.48`	`Creation25`	`You name it`
`19:18.49`	`Creation25`	`Mario`
`19:18.52`	`Taintedwisp`	`EW magaman thats even worse...`
`19:18.54`	`Creation25`	`You get my point.`
`19:18.55`	`Bounty`	`Copyright`
`19:18.56`	`mille25`	`did you guys notice btw, that blizzard did the same mistake with map ratings?`
`19:18.59`	`Bounty`	`you would get banned`
`19:19.02`	`mille25`	`they sort by most helpful`
`19:19.04`	`Bounty`	`right ahli?`
`19:19.04`	`Creation25`	`facepalms`
`19:19.06`	`Bounty`	`lolol`
`19:19.09`	`zenxu`	`Top played is good IMO`
`19:19.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`Magaman looks like Rosies(jetsens) gay nephew`
`19:19.14`	`zenxu`	`but the star rating is kinda dumb`
`19:19.21`	`zenxu`	`cause that doesnt really tell about the quality`
`19:19.26`	`zenxu`	`top played tells how fun the maps is`
`19:19.28`	`mille25`	`that way, the same ratings stay at the top forever`
`19:19.33`	`mille25`	`since they get new helpfuls`
`19:19.36`	`zenxu`	`even if you disagree, yes some people find it fun`
`19:19.52`	`Bounty`	`Actually, top played is really the best way to find the worst maps`
`19:19.57`	`Bounty`	`They're all up there`
`19:20.06`	`zenxu`	`wow you haters`
`19:20.10`	`mille25`	`:D`
`19:20.10`	`Bounty`	`Wanna play something you played in 1998?`
`19:20.11`	`zenxu`	`desert strike is soo good`
`19:20.12`	`Taintedwisp`	`Actually lets be honest... Top Played is the best way to make mappers jealous...`
`19:20.12`	`Bounty`	`Hit up Top played`
`19:20.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`hahah`
`19:20.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`It gives me something to shoot for`
`19:20.19`	`Ahli`	`I'm using Blizzard's assets. So as long as I won't hurt the sales of their current titles, it's ok. Also, they know what I'm doing.`
`19:20.25`	`Taintedwisp`	`I do think there is a MAJOR bug in it somewhere though`
`19:20.28`	`Bounty`	`Yeah, Desert strike`
`19:20.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`Dragon RPG...`
`19:20.30`	`Bounty`	`lets talk about that`
`19:20.36`	`Bounty`	`Gamespot does a video to showcase the arcade`
`19:20.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`desert Strike is fun...`
`19:20.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`ITs Bare, but its fun`
`19:20.41`	`mille25`	`dragon rpg really was the worst map ive ever played.`
`19:20.43`	`Bounty`	`and fuckign turns it into a desert strike tribute`
`19:20.52`	`Bounty`	`was i the only one that got sick after watchign that video?`
`19:21.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`Dragon RPG.... Terrible map, somehow Overtook Squad TD for a few hours the first day it was up on the Top ten..`
`19:21.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`HOW DID IT GET UP THERE`
`19:21.10`	`ckSynergy`	`hmmm`
`19:21.11`	`zenxu`	`havent seen dragon rpg on eu ;/`
`19:21.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`The maker said he just published it and never announced it`
`19:21.18`	`ckSynergy`	`Attach dump doesnt seem to remove an SoP`
`19:21.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`but it shot up to page one?`
`19:21.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`There has to be a but in the pop system`
`19:21.33`	`zenxu`	`perhaps somekind of bot usage or something`
`19:21.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`Beg*`
`19:21.42`	`Kami__`	`fancy name?`
`19:21.45`	`mille25`	`you know`
`19:21.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`no I was talking to him on Skype and he said he had no idea`
`19:21.50`	`mille25`	`sometimes the players just love simple maps`
`19:21.54`	`Bounty`	`I think its obvious how Dragon RPG got popular`
`19:21.56`	`mille25`	`where they dont have to think at all`
`19:22.00`	`Bounty`	`it has RPG in its name`
`19:22.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`But comeon, when its not Advertised...`
`19:22.04`	`Bounty`	`and we all know asians love RPG's`
`19:22.06`	`mille25`	`and thats what dragon rpg did`
`19:22.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`I put RPG in 3 maps names`
`19:22.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`And ran test`
`19:22.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`Not a single play`
`19:22.17`	`Bounty`	`so thats like 1 billion asians playing your map`
`19:22.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`Thousands of people dont just type RPG.`
`19:22.21`	`Bounty`	`if you put RPG in it`
`19:22.27`	`Bounty`	`yeah but`
`19:22.32`	`Bounty`	`it also has the word Dragon`
`19:22.34`	`Bounty`	`i mean cmon`
`19:22.36`	`zenxu`	`hahha`
`19:22.37`	`Bounty`	`Dragon + RPG?`
`19:22.42`	`Bounty`	`what more do you want`
`19:22.45`	`zenxu`	`I would play shit out of that!`
`19:22.48`	`mille25`	`i played it`
`19:22.51`	`mille25`	`cause of the name`
`19:22.55`	`mille25`	`no joke.`
`19:22.55`	`mille25`	`:D`
`19:23.01`	`Bounty`	`Are you asian?`
`19:23.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`I typed Mega RPG , and Posted Mini Chop Farms removed all info from the map put a fake placeholder image, made it very convincing, and NO PLAYS`
`19:23.05`	`mille25`	`no :(`
`19:23.08`	`Bounty`	`damn`
`19:23.13`	`mille25`	`id love to be asian though`
`19:23.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`im just talking about how it got to page 1`
`19:23.15`	`Bounty`	`that would have heavily supported my case if you were`
`19:23.19`	`mille25`	`they got awesome gaming skills`
`19:23.22`	`mille25`	`haha`
`19:23.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`He didnt advertise, he didnt Play it.. he posted it and within 2 hours... page one`
`19:23.38`	`zenxu`	`and btw what does it matter if one map goes to top played?`
`19:23.41`	`Bounty`	`i just told you how it got to page 1`
`19:23.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`Im telling you... Thats not normal for any situation`
`19:23.44`	`zenxu`	`haters gona hate?`
`19:23.46`	`mille25`	`scu renamed to... Dragoncraft Universe`
`19:23.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`It could also be the reason Squad TD is stuck at number 1.`
`19:23.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`After all the bad updates made to it`
`19:24.16`	`zenxu`	`and who knows`
`19:24.19`	`Creation25`	`DragonCraft sounds like a great name for a game.`
`19:24.22`	`Taintedwisp`	`Bounty... I doubt 1 million asians Typed in RPG, in a 2 hour period`
`19:24.25`	`Bounty`	`Step 1. Name your map (Insert Epic Word) + RPG. Step 2. Asians played it. Step 3. 1 Billion Asians playing it = page 1.`
`19:24.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`to overtake it`
`19:24.29`	`Creation25`	`We're renaming SCU now`
`19:24.34`	`zenxu`	`maybe blizzard build system that lets top played to stay there to seem like there are still people in sc2 xD`
`19:24.38`	`Bounty`	`You obviously dont know asian culture then Taintedwisp`
`19:24.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`In 2 hours though Bounty...`
`19:24.43`	`ducky`	`Dragoncraft universe aactually sounds more cooler and exciting than starcraft uni..`
`19:24.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`On the NA server..`
`19:24.54`	`Bounty`	`Yep`
`19:24.55`	`Creation25`	`lol ducky`
`19:24.56`	`mille25`	`but there are no dragons in scu :'(`
`19:25.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yeah, I just cant accept that...`
`19:25.08`	`Bounty`	`All the Asians that stole NA Bnet accounts Taintedwisp`
`19:25.10`	`Bounty`	`played it`
`19:25.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`Something is not right..`
`19:25.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`19:25.23`	`mille25`	`@ryan we need dragons.`
`19:25.31`	`Creation25`	`Done.`
`19:25.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`I think either there was a bug, or still is a bug with the pop systen`
`19:25.37`	`mille25`	`AI done.`
`19:25.40`	`ducky`	`It's kinda sad. Dragons are awesome and so unexpected in SC2.. you should import some dragon models`
`19:25.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`Dragon Frenzy...`
`19:25.43`	`Taintedwisp`	`Nope ..`
`19:25.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`lll`
`19:25.47`	`Creation25`	`I actually think we should have a dragon robot boss in the arena.`
`19:25.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`Still gotta think up a new name haha`
`19:25.54`	`Creation25`	`That would be sick.`
`19:25.58`	`mille25`	`im sure ghost can do this`
`19:25.58`	`zenxu`	`Im still dissapointed how I cannot get more ratings`
`19:26.02`	`mille25`	`lol`
`19:26.03`	`Creation25`	`Yeah.`
`19:26.08`	`zenxu`	`I got RPG on my name but still only like 100 ratings in a week`
`19:26.09`	`mille25`	`by using firebat models`
`19:26.09`	`Bounty`	`Dragons are unexpected in Starcraft because there has never been a Dragon in starcraft`
`19:26.10`	`mille25`	`or smth`
`19:26.28`	`Creation25`	`Just import a WoW dragon model/animations and attach a bunch of Castanar shit to it.`
`19:26.31`	`ducky`	`zenxy, include some dragons in your map, I'll give you 5 stars then =D`
`19:26.37`	`mille25`	`:D:D`
`19:26.39`	`Creation25`	`And change the texture.`
`19:26.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`and the map wasnt good, when DRPG was released it was 1 hero, 10 levels, and 1 creep that kept respawning...`
`19:26.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`Well like 10 of that 1 creep`
`19:26.52`	`zenxu`	`ducky: you are such a hater too only 4 stars!!!`
`19:26.56`	`Taintedwisp`	`either a bot... or something`
`19:27.00`	`mille25`	`i exited the game after 1 minute.`
`19:27.00`	`ducky`	`I'm fair :P`
`19:27.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`Even a bot...`
`19:27.13`	`zenxu`	`but its only alpha :(`
`19:27.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`He would need 1000 of them running at the same time,`
`19:27.19`	`zenxu`	`such a hater`
`19:27.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`And just staying in the map the whole time`
`19:27.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`the finished product was crap... but it was fine..`
`19:27.43`	`Bounty`	`I should make a blank map called Super Awesome RPG, and upload it with the preview pictures being a series of screenshots of FF7 PS3 Trailer`
`19:27.48`	`Bounty`	`$100 says it gets page 1`
`19:27.51`	`ducky`	`I'm not rating it as alpha, I'm rating it as product which competes with all the other maps on b-net :P`
`19:27.54`	`Creation25`	`Hey guys check this out from our game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEXP0YHODaw`
`19:28.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`100 dollers it is`
`19:28.18`	`Bounty`	`oh hey`
`19:28.18`	`Bounty`	`look at that`
`19:28.21`	`Bounty`	`one more month Ryan`
`19:28.27`	`Bounty`	`and that video will be a year old!`
`19:28.27`	`Bounty`	`congrats`
`19:28.28`	`ducky`	`but I do admit that i'm in a haty mood. I took joy in hating stuff, at least for now`
`19:28.50`	`zenxu`	`its cool thou`
`19:28.54`	`mille25`	`yeah hating is always fun! :D`
`19:28.54`	`Bounty`	`also`
`19:28.56`	`zenxu`	`i got enough stars`
`19:28.59`	`zenxu`	`to attract peopel`
`19:29.02`	`Bounty`	`if that is really the medics ultimate attack`
`19:29.06`	`Bounty`	`i swear to god i am confused`
`19:29.13`	`Bounty`	`epic trailer followed by those abilities`
`19:29.15`	`Creation25`	`It was a joke, read the description.`
`19:29.15`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:29.20`	`Bounty`	`i know`
`19:29.26`	`Bounty`	`just sayin brah`
`19:29.27`	`mille25`	`actually its still in the game`
`19:29.28`	`mille25`	`isnt it?`
`19:29.30`	`mille25`	`:D`
`19:29.33`	`Creation25`	`Yes lol`
`19:29.35`	`Taintedwisp`	`Still thought that project was dead creation...`
`19:29.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`19:29.53`	`Creation25`	`Nah man. Alive and well.`
`19:29.55`	`mille25`	`:>`
`19:29.56`	`Bounty`	`What do you think i am Ryan? One of those people who complains about a youtube video without reading the description? Psshh`
`19:30.03`	`ducky`	`well, still better than tofu trailer :D`
`19:30.04`	`mille25`	`yes.`
`19:30.05`	`Creation25`	`We just don't advertize a lot.`
`19:30.11`	`mille25`	`next scu trailer`
`19:30.17`	`mille25`	`will have "impressed?" at the end`
`19:30.22`	`Creation25`	`facepalms`
`19:30.26`	`ducky`	`much better actually, got some humor in it, proves you are chill guys :D`
`19:30.33`	`Bounty`	`I love how that meme somehow caught on`
`19:30.36`	`Bounty`	`and its not even funny`
`19:30.45`	`Bounty`	`Not anymore atleast`
`19:30.52`	`mille25`	`i still laugh my ass of.`
`19:30.57`	`Creation25`	`Same..`
`19:31.01`	`mille25`	`:D`
`19:31.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`I try to mention and advertise when ever possible... either people will play it to see what they were annoyed about, or people will be hyped.`
`19:31.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`ahaha`
`19:31.13`	`Creation25`	`Just got done lmaoing actually`
`19:31.20`	`ducky`	`it's based on their personality, so tofu will always be funny :D`
`19:31.20`	`mille25`	`not yet`
`19:31.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hey Vailreth, hows everything Coming?`
`19:31.34`	`Bounty`	`Everytime someone ends their maps trailer video with "Impressed?" Dogmai's anus gets pinched`
`19:31.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`Should get the map back from Soulcarverr soon, Hes working out some bugs`
`19:31.44`	`Vailreth`	`ok`
`19:31.49`	`MikeD_ValmikeD_`	`Taintedwisp, hey sweety.`
`19:32.00`	`Taintedwisp`	`Great.... this homo`
`19:32.07`	`mille25`	`LOL`
`19:32.08`	`Bounty`	`lol what the hell`
`19:32.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`Lalja?`
`19:32.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`I take it`
`19:32.13`	`Creation25`	`rofl`
`19:32.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yup`
`19:32.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`Same Server`
`19:32.34`	`Bounty`	`Is Magic Mike hitting on you taintedwisp?`
`19:33.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`Its lalja... that gay? guy is always hittin on me... and talking about how he loves transexuals`
`19:33.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`...`
`19:33.18`	`Taintedwisp`	`a guy loving a transexual thats gay right?`
`19:33.32`	`Creation25`	`I'm kinda looking forward to how well this 3d city defense does.`
`19:33.40`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:33.40`	`mille25`	`yeah it looked pretty cool`
`19:33.47`	`Bounty`	`it looks horrid`
`19:33.50`	`Bounty`	`the camera is awful`
`19:33.54`	`mille25`	`finally someone who had the balls for WASD :D`
`19:34.04`	`Bounty`	`I should smack the shit out of you`
`19:34.12`	`mille25`	`:>`
`19:34.14`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:34.15`	`Creation25`	`You know bounty.`
`19:34.15`	`Creation25`	`Bounty just has his panties in a wad because he quit all of his WASD maps.`
`19:34.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`Bounty used to have teh balls for WASD... but his woman removed them`
`19:34.33`	`Creation25`	`If you would have stuck with Trifaction, and refined it a bit, I think you would have had something there.`
`19:34.40`	`Bounty`	`Yep`
`19:34.45`	`Bounty`	`and i would have been living on the street`
`19:34.47`	`Creation25`	`And that was WASD.`
`19:34.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`Trifaction...`
`19:34.49`	`mille25`	`seriously though, if more people would do wasd type maps, blizzards priority to fix the input delay would increase :)`
`19:34.50`	`Bounty`	`no money`
`19:34.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`wasnt that the map that everyone said was sooo amazing...`
`19:34.58`	`Creation25`	`Ah I see.`
`19:35.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`And I tried it and thought it sucked..`
`19:35.06`	`Bounty`	`The only reason i dont map anymore is purely for financial reasons`
`19:35.09`	`Creation25`	`It was a genuinely fun map.`
`19:35.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`Ahh`
`19:35.19`	`Creation25`	`Very easy to play.`
`19:35.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yeha I can see that bounty, I personally work and map... though I am unemployed right now`
`19:35.29`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`19:35.33`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hmm maybe it wasnt what I was thinking about`
`19:35.40`	`Bounty`	`i was fine getting 600 every 2 weeks on unemployment`
`19:35.47`	`Creation25`	`bum`
`19:35.49`	`Bounty`	`now im making 300 every 2 weeks being employed`
`19:35.54`	`Bounty`	`figure that shit out`
`19:35.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`I try not to bash peoples maps, just the people behind that haha`
`19:35.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`EW bounty... wtf`
`19:36.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`Must be Part time`
`19:36.12`	`Creation25`	`That means you don't have enough hours.`
`19:36.13`	`Bounty`	`nope`
`19:36.18`	`Taintedwisp`	`Then again I am making 0$ being unemplyed`
`19:36.31`	`Bounty`	`7 years management experience somehow = minimum wage job @ Kmart`
`19:36.38`	`zenxu`	`bounty actually proved me wrong with photon discs so gratz on that`
`19:36.38`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:36.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`wow...`
`19:36.42`	`Creation25`	`Welcome to Obamanation.`
`19:36.44`	`zenxu`	`I thoguth you couldng makde decent wasd map`
`19:36.56`	`Bounty`	`What about Battlefield Egypt II?`
`19:36.57`	`zenxu`	`but discs is pretty amazing`
`19:36.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`you cant make a decent WASD map... it still had terrible sounds`
`19:36.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`hahaha`
`19:37.08`	`zenxu`	`never played the egypt it looked just bad :E`
`19:37.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`maybe I am just tired of Quake sounds...`
`19:37.19`	`Bounty`	`used the same WASD system`
`19:37.24`	`Bounty`	`and projectile system`
`19:37.25`	`Taintedwisp`	`been hearing them in EVERYTHING since 2001...`
`19:37.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`I might know a stupid way to make a laglass WASD hahahaha`
`19:37.51`	`zenxu`	`I never tried it thou, so cant say if it was actually good too`
`19:37.53`	`Bounty`	`i should beg the blizz devs for change so i can map again`
`19:37.57`	`ducky`	`It doesn't matter since it's not hosted on EU :D`
`19:37.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`Make a dummy unit inside your unit and have your unit follow the dummy unit`
`19:38.00`	`Bounty`	`lolol`
`19:38.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`the dummy unit is the actual one that does the movement`
`19:38.05`	`mille25`	`oh please, not "lagless wasd" again =/`
`19:38.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`its all Theory based`
`19:38.28`	`Creation25`	`Actually I know a better way`
`19:38.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`If the outside unit is MUCH bigger, then it might work`
`19:38.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`You wouldnt notice it hahaa`
`19:38.47`	`Bounty`	`If you look up the word "Myth" it makes mention of lagless WASD`
`19:38.50`	`Bounty`	`and Tofu`
`19:38.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`hahah`
`19:38.57`	`Creation25`	`Invent a keyboard that has lazers that hover over each key to predict what key youre going to press before you press it, then execute the corresponging action.`
`19:39.06`	`Kueken`	`How did the chat with iiris work out? ;)`
`19:39.08`	`Creation25`	`= lagless WASD`
`19:39.14`	`mille25`	`lol kueken`
`19:39.18`	`mille25`	`guess it`
`19:39.18`	`mille25`	`haha`
`19:39.30`	`Kueken`	`you started ignoring him?`
`19:39.33`	`mille25`	`to sum it up`
`19:39.41`	`mille25`	`"you stole my work" "no we didnt"`
`19:39.44`	`mille25`	`thats it pretty much.`
`19:39.59`	`Bounty`	`Lagless WASD = everyone plays as an AI that predicts the right things you should do`
`19:40.02`	`Kueken`	`while (true) "you stole my work" "no we didn't"`
`19:40.06`	`Bounty`	`You press W but it goes backwards`
`19:40.12`	`Bounty`	`becuase clearly you should go backlwards`
`19:40.13`	`Creation25`	`lol Kueken`
`19:40.16`	`Bounty`	`basically its just a bot match`
`19:40.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`AHAHHA i had the GREATEST TROLL MAP IDEA EVER`
`19:40.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`Make a Questionair Map...`
`19:40.27`	`Creation25`	`Please put no waits in that while loop`
`19:40.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`And then make all the questions based on Opinion`
`19:40.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`19:40.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`Whos the greatest president ever...`
`19:40.38`	`Bounty`	`or`
`19:40.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`19:40.40`	`Kueken`	`:)`
`19:40.42`	`Bounty`	`OR`
`19:40.49`	`Bounty`	`and ive had this idea for awhile now`
`19:40.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`and all answers are wrong...`
`19:40.56`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`19:41.07`	`Kueken`	`I still vote for dessert strike as a troll map`
`19:41.07`	`Bounty`	`make a racing map where everyone plays as a corruptor and the finish line is a zerg egg`
`19:41.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`I actually Enjoy Playing Desert Strike`
`19:41.21`	`Bounty`	`Call it "Life"`
`19:41.24`	`Creation25`	`me too`
`19:41.25`	`zenxu`	`lol tainted`
`19:41.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`Just wish I could take it over, and Make a better terrain for it`
`19:41.30`	`Creation25`	`imma go play a game of it right now.`
`19:41.30`	`zenxu`	`haven you playerd the map`
`19:41.33`	`zenxu`	`there was a map like that`
`19:41.36`	`zenxu`	`it was so retarded`
`19:41.36`	`mille25`	`while(true) "you stole it!" wait(random(0,2)) "no" wait(random(1,3)`
`19:41.37`	`Kueken`	`I dont mean desert strike`
`19:41.43`	`mille25`	`thats more like it was.`
`19:41.53`	`Creation25`	`lol mille, such a nerd`
`19:41.56`	`Creation25`	`:)`
`19:42.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`ohh`
`19:42.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`Dessert strike`
`19:42.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`I thougtht unintentional Misspell`
`19:42.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`19:42.21`	`Kueken`	`no`
`19:42.21`	`Creation25`	`Dessert Strike lmfao`
`19:42.33`	`Creation25`	`Bunch of cakes and ice cream attacking eachother`
`19:42.37`	`Kueken`	`exactly`
`19:42.38`	`Bounty`	`I'm going to make Desert Strike 3`
`19:42.48`	`Bounty`	`Its just going to be a map that plays replays of Desert Strike games`
`19:42.52`	`Bounty`	`same amount of skill involved`
`19:42.53`	`zenxu`	`Im also wondering if the AoS2 or whatever its called is a myth`
`19:42.55`	`Ahli`	`are 2 ingame minutes loading time within the map ok? ;D`
`19:43.00`	`zenxu`	`Iv heard plenty of epople working on it`
`19:43.10`	`zenxu`	`but never heard of progress or release`
`19:43.12`	`Bounty`	`Wait`
`19:43.17`	`Creation25`	`Trivia question, and youre not allowed to look this up online: Who invented the Original desert strike game in SC1, and is still on the forums to this day?`
`19:43.21`	`Bounty`	`Why are you all not playing Guild Wars 2?`
`19:43.24`	`Bounty`	`:)`
`19:43.39`	`zenxu`	`cause there is no desert strike on gw2?`
`19:43.39`	`Kueken`	`Creation25: damn, I read that somewhere`
`19:43.43`	`Ahli`	`theleo_ua made the first draft, then nuderaider made the first desertstrike`
`19:43.45`	`Kueken`	`dont know anymore`
`19:43.49`	`Bounty`	`Or as its known in SC2 terms, Guild Wars RPG`
`19:44.01`	`Creation25`	`Queen Gambit did`
`19:44.05`	`Ahli`	`nope`
`19:44.06`	`Creation25`	`And she's a female.`
`19:44.19`	`Bounty`	`I dont think shes a female`
`19:44.22`	`Kueken`	`I don't believe in women`
`19:44.23`	`Bounty`	`Its a gimmick`
`19:44.26`	`Kueken`	`you are making that up`
`19:44.31`	`Bounty`	`watch`
`19:44.36`	`Bounty`	`I'm Queen Bounty`
`19:44.37`	`Bounty`	`see?`
`19:44.43`	`Bounty`	`that easy`
`19:44.44`	`Exaken`	`:O`
`19:44.52`	`Bounty`	`besides`
`19:44.57`	`Bounty`	`Gambit is a man`
`19:45.02`	`Ahli`	`queengambit modified/created a mod of the original map. the layout might not even by him, but I'm not to sure about that.`
`19:45.02`	`Bounty`	`from x MEN`
`19:45.04`	`Bounty`	`not X Women`
`19:45.12`	`Ahli`	`I know that I debugged something in his edited map on sc1`
`19:45.25`	`mille25`	`lol debugged :D`
`19:45.40`	`Creation25`	`I stand corrected then, and she/he lied to me.`
`19:45.52`	`Creation25`	`:(`
`19:45.53`	`Bounty`	`Get rid of the /`
`19:45.55`	`Bounty`	`and you got a match`
`19:45.58`	`Bounty`	`imo`
`19:45.59`	`Bommes`	`@Ahli I think if you clearly show that its a loading screen and that it takes some time and is necessary nobody will be bothered too much by 2 minutes`
`19:46.18`	`Kueken`	`just like Eiviyn suggestively used a female voice in his first promotional video :D`
`19:46.24`	`Bounty`	`Well, looks like im out of haterfuel`
`19:46.25`	`Bommes`	`As long as its not out of nowhere and is triggered by the player by clicking on stairs or something`
`19:46.48`	`Ahli`	`I plan to place some pictures explaining some controls in that screen anyway... someone suggested that for a loading screen in some thread on mapster`
`19:46.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`Iam going to make the most annoying Loadingscreen I can Fathom, hack into Squad TD and insert it.... Oh wait... my work is already completed`
`19:46.52`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`19:46.56`	`mille25`	`out of hatefuel? :'(`
`19:47.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`of course`
`19:47.04`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`19:47.09`	`Creation25`	`Mille we need to do any MP testing?`
`19:47.10`	`Bounty`	`im all hated out`
`19:47.13`	`Bounty`	`so much hating`
`19:47.18`	`mille25`	`we can.`
`19:47.18`	`Taintedwisp`	`Bounty... Quit snitchin`
`19:47.32`	`Creation25`	`We could probably get a couple of these guys to help out.`
`19:47.43`	`Creation25`	`And see how things re feeling with 4 players.`
`19:47.50`	`Bommes`	`@Kueken the best thing was that not too long ago a comment on Eiviyns YT channel indicated that he died in a car accident... and there weren't any new videos for a couple of months.`
`19:47.51`	`Bounty`	`Loads up GW2`
`19:47.54`	`Bounty`	`>.<`
`19:48.10`	`Bommes`	`And then when he uploaded the next video there were a couple of comments like "Phew... I LITERALLY thought you were dead."`
`19:48.11`	`Bommes`	`:D`
`19:48.11`	`mille25`	`why not`
`19:48.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L8upjc-of8`
`19:48.28`	`zenxu`	`lol`
`19:48.28`	`Kueken`	`happens`
`19:48.33`	`Taintedwisp`	`AHAHAH`
`19:48.33`	`Taintedwisp`	`Love this`
`19:48.44`	`Creation25`	`Anyone want to help us test some SCU combat real quick?`
`19:48.44`	`Kueken`	`just like adam sandler died again a couple of days ago`
`19:49.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`19:49.25`	`mille25`	`[US client required]`
`19:49.34`	`Creation25`	`^`
`19:49.55`	`Exaken`	`awww`
`19:50.21`	`Creation25`	`Bounty come help us test you som'bitch.`
`19:50.28`	`Bounty`	`lol can't`
`19:50.31`	`Bounty`	`work in abit`
`19:50.32`	`Creation25`	`:)`
`19:50.36`	`Creation25`	`Ah alright.`
`19:50.45`	`Bounty`	`gotta earn that 7.25 an hour`
`19:50.48`	`Kueken`	`sorry, only EU here`
`19:50.49`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:51.00`	`Taintedwisp`	`Bounty... I wouls take that minimum wage at this point...`
`19:51.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`Sadly`
`19:51.06`	`Creation25`	`Blizzard come help us test you som'bitch.`
`19:51.10`	`Creation25`	`:D`
`19:51.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`no job = no money no money... suckws`
`19:51.17`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol]`
`19:51.24`	`Ahli`	`the desert strike history: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Dv5VoCOxSv8J:www.staredit.net/topic/14308/unread/%26skin%3D999+&cd=1&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de`
`19:51.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`laughs realizing SCU may never be featured`
`19:51.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`19:52.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`Ahli... That whole topic had little to do with Desert strike..`
`19:52.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`More to do with Castle fight.`
`19:53.05`	`Creation25`	`I loved Castle Fight.`
`19:53.17`	`Creation25`	`Nexus Wars bloooooows.`
`19:53.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`Nexus wars is fun..`
`19:53.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`Again Shit terrainer`
`19:53.33`	`Ahli`	`it's because the initial creator of the map that lead to desert strike wrote it.`
`19:53.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`It seems that the top 10 are Unoriginal and have shitty terrains`
`19:53.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`its ALL their problem..`
`19:54.00`	`Taintedwisp`	`I'm no pro, but I could do 10x better then those garbage terrains`
`19:55.04`	`Taintedwisp`	`Squad TD, Desert Strike, AoS(would take some time though), all the way down to Phantom Mode... if its still in the middle of page 2`
`19:55.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`hahah`
`19:55.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`The maps are fun thouh, AOS not included`
`19:55.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`its Wonkey feeling`
`19:56.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`It feels worse then the original dota`
`19:56.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`sooo then`
`19:56.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`see it just got REAL quiet...`
`20:02.42`	`zenxu`	`around we go`
`20:02.58`	`zenxu`	`we came back to desert strike from like an hour ago`
`20:03.02`	`zenxu`	`the hate is too strong!`
`20:05.47`	`Exaken`	`.`
`20:09.09`	`Exaken`	`..`
`20:15.53`	`Bommes`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXVl5XWhgXc&feature=g-all-u`
`20:15.57`	`Bommes`	`IF you want to bet on WCS EU :D`
`20:18.02`	`Vailreth`	`is it possible to get a unit type from a unit or conver unit into unit type?`
`20:18.55`	`ducky`	`you can get unit type of unit`
`20:19.00`	`ducky`	`triggers, right?`
`20:19.08`	`Vailreth`	`yes`
`20:19.32`	`ducky`	`I'm sure I'm constantly getting unit type of different units in my triggers, so.. :D`
`20:19.46`	`Vailreth`	`how are you doing it?`
`20:20.16`	`ducky`	`where you need it?`
`20:20.50`	`Bommes`	`make a variable of type "Unit Type" and use the "Unit Type of Unit" function`
`20:20.51`	`Bommes`	`I think`
`20:20.56`	`Vailreth`	`i am trying to get what unit is in a unit variable so i can change and intiger variable to a given value`
`20:20.59`	`Bommes`	`via set variable`
`20:21.17`	`ducky`	`what bommes said then`
`20:21.58`	`ducky`	`btw guys, anyone from US here with sc2 open?`
`20:27.06`	`*** part/#sc2mapster Ahli (~casdasdqq@ip-2-206-0-81.web.vodafone.de)`
`20:29.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`Nope sucky ducky`
`20:30.01`	`ducky`	`aaw what a shame`
`20:30.09`	`Taintedwisp`	`I can open mine`
`20:30.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`20:30.33`	`ducky`	`I wanted someone to check bomberbots patch notes on NA`
`20:30.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`okay`
`20:30.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`im opening`
`20:30.56`	`ducky`	`thank you, please tell me when was the last update`
`20:30.58`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Saltpeter (43501a58@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.80.26.88)`
`20:31.09`	`ducky`	`was it september 9th?`
`20:31.28`	`Creation25`	`Anyone interested in helping us test some SCU combat?`
`20:32.15`	`zenxu`	`sure`
`20:32.17`	`zenxu`	`jsut come to EU`
`20:32.23`	`Creation25`	`:/`
`20:33.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`Nebulis BomberBot?`
`20:33.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`Right?`
`20:33.31`	`ducky`	`yes`
`20:33.34`	`Taintedwisp`	`If so, there are No patch notes, and it doesnt seem to be updated for Patch 1.5 at all`
`20:33.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`No arcade icon or anything`
`20:33.43`	`Taintedwisp`	`it says version .4`
`20:34.18`	`ducky`	`I see.. It appears that Nebuli went awol :/`
`20:34.23`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`20:34.31`	`Taintedwisp`	`Happens`
`20:34.51`	`ducky`	`At least now I know for sure :'\`
`20:35.01`	`ducky`	`thank you`
`20:35.07`	`Saltpeter`	`Got a new question. So, I want to make towers for my game, but I don't want to just copy existing building/unit models for all of them. Specifically, I want a tower to look like 4 small spinecrawlers arranged in a diamond shape, and call it a Quadspine. I want them to attack one spine at a time, visually. How would I do this? Is there a way to do this with the SC2 editor?`
`20:36.50`	`Vailreth`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ze1m_3pafM&feature=youtu.be`
`20:37.11`	`Vailreth`	`i addressed the camera issues in a hopefully pleasent way`
`20:37.39`	`zenxu`	`I feel like NA would have more players for customs too`
`20:37.43`	`zenxu`	`like all husky and shit are there`
`20:37.47`	`zenxu`	`so people wana play more sc2`
`20:37.49`	`zenxu`	`maybe?`
`20:39.08`	`ducky`	`yeah`
`20:39.29`	`ducky`	`even back in SC1 US servers had more lively custom scene`
`20:40.06`	`ducky`	`and now they even got all those (as I understand childish) rpgs like dragons, legends and bunch of other`
`20:40.20`	`zenxu`	`yea all that cool shit`
`20:41.03`	`Saltpeter`	`Anyone know a tutorial that could help me? o.o`
`20:41.33`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Vail, that's much nicer`
`20:41.58`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Did you use bookmarks to control how to jump to each part of your scene?`
`20:42.07`	`Vailreth`	`thanks, yes`
`20:42.22`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`And the part where it doesn't move, is it just looping using bookmarks?`
`20:43.15`	`zenxu`	`that looks really odd when camera moves when its the same location`
`20:43.19`	`Vailreth`	`no its paused looping resets the anims on any models in custcene or seems to`
`20:43.33`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`yeah, that would happen`
`20:43.41`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`although I'm adding a feature soon that'll let you control that`
`20:43.51`	`Vailreth`	`thank you.`
`20:44.18`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`What models are in your scene during the idle part?`
`20:44.24`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I thought the character wasn't part of the scene`
`20:45.08`	`Vailreth`	`the character isnt, in the proof of concept i used Floodlights instead of Castanar Floodlights and they have a dust effect`
`20:45.47`	`Vailreth`	`it was jaring when they would cut off and start animating again when the schene looped`
`20:46.14`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`gotcha`
`20:49.42`	`Taintedwisp`	`Vailreth any luck with`
`20:49.42`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Untitled-14.png`
`20:50.35`	`Taintedwisp`	`And teh Prototype 2 looks 100x better`
`20:51.48`	`Vailreth`	`i am working on that as well`
`20:53.35`	`Taintedwisp`	`sweeet`
`20:58.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`Well Since I have nothing to do right now on..`
`20:58.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`Opening up Mini Shit Farms`
`20:58.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`jhahah`
`21:09.31`	`Tolkfan1`	`time for sum cinematicing! cinematicion? cinemating...`
`21:09.51`	`Bommes`	`I still don't understand how Light Actors outside of cutscenes work.`
`21:09.56`	`Bommes`	`I think I'm just dumb :/`
`21:11.21`	`Tolkfan1`	`Light Actors = Spot Light & Omni Light?`
`21:12.19`	`Bommes`	`yeah`
`21:12.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`BAH`
`21:12.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`I have to find a triggerer...`
`21:12.51`	`Tolkfan1`	`what don't you udnerstand?`
`21:13.00`	`Taintedwisp`	`Who wants to do some triggers`
`21:13.00`	`Taintedwisp`	`?`
`21:13.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`lawl`
`21:13.12`	`Taintedwisp`	`Shouldnt be too overly Complicated...`
`21:13.19`	`Taintedwisp`	`Just need proper Victory Conditions`
`21:14.05`	`Exaken`	`Why don't you do it yourself if it isn't too complicated?:D`
`21:14.08`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Bommes: I'm not sure how well they work outside of cutscenes. They were made for cutscenes, and I haven't really tested them much outside of it.`
`21:15.37`	`Bommes`	`Blizz-Artestru: Okay, thanks :) I think I'll just try to make a cutscene and try to get them to work there.`
`21:15.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`Because.... i dont know how hhaaha, if I do them, they will be TOTAL CRAP`
`21:15.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`hahaha`
`21:15.42`	`Bommes`	`To get a little better understanding`
`21:15.43`	`Taintedwisp`	`and wont function correctly`
`21:17.09`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Also Spot and Omni lights require High (or Ultra?) graphics settings.`
`21:17.52`	`Taintedwisp`	`Artestru do my work for me hahaah`
`21:18.18`	`Exaken`	`He only does cinematics=p`
`21:18.33`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`21:18.50`	`Tolkfan1`	`Blizz-Artestru: is there a way to place an object on a path, but make it offset in a direction, so that it move besides the path, not on it directly?`
`21:20.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hmm to see if I can make a Lagfree new Video for Mini Chop Farms.`
`21:21.43`	`Exaken`	`Mh, can't get the sound to play again D:`
`21:21.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`COME ON DUAL CORE 2.2 GHZ WITH 3 GB Ram and 512 VIDEO YOU CAN DO IT`
`21:21.52`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`21:22.08`	`Exaken`	`lol`
`21:22.08`	`zenxu`	`can you use cutscenes in middle of game?`
`21:22.18`	`Exaken`	`yup`
`21:22.19`	`Tolkfan1`	`yup`
`21:22.29`	`Exaken`	`You can play them with triggers`
`21:22.30`	`Exaken`	`yup`
`21:22.31`	`Tolkfan1`	`there, I said it twice`
`21:22.39`	`zenxu`	`I wonder if you could make osmething like`
`21:22.40`	`Tolkfan1`	`oh no you didn't...`
`21:22.47`	`zenxu`	`unit walks around and heads turn around`
`21:22.49`	`zenxu`	`probly not?`
`21:22.50`	`zenxu`	`:/`
`21:22.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`NO YOU CANT ZENX`
`21:22.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`You cant make anything`
`21:23.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`21:23.08`	`zenxu`	`god damit :8`
`21:23.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`21:23.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`Nah actually I dont know`
`21:23.29`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Tolkfan: No, if you want two objects side-by-side copy and paste the path and then select all the markers and offset them.`
`21:23.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`There are the SM units that turn their heads, or get custom animations for the unit`
`21:23.53`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Zenxu: You can do that using a Look At Node.`
`21:24.00`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Most SM units have Look At set up.`
`21:24.07`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`For instance, RaynorCommander`
`21:24.13`	`zenxu`	`ah yes SM models`
`21:24.16`	`zenxu`	`dissapointing :(`
`21:24.26`	`zenxu`	`and I was talking`
`21:24.27`	`zenxu`	`INGAME`
`21:24.45`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`You can then add a Look At Node to RaynorCommander and have him look at any other object. We often have them look at an apple or something like that, mark the apple as invisible, then animate the apple for the head motion we want.`
`21:25.36`	`zenxu`	`well its something to consider to add something to my map`
`21:25.53`	`zenxu`	`would be rather interesting`
`21:26.45`	`Tolkfan1`	`you can make ingame units turn their heads towards a point, there's a trigger function called Make Unit Look At, or something like that`
`21:27.02`	`Tolkfan1`	`unless the unit doesn't have a head :]`
`21:27.32`	`zenxu`	`btw`
`21:27.39`	`zenxu`	`if I display cutscene ingame`
`21:27.47`	`zenxu`	`does it show the units on the terrain?`
`21:27.51`	`zenxu`	`it does right? :/`
`21:28.01`	`zenxu`	`or the models or whatever`
`21:28.21`	`zenxu`	`like If I wanted to play cutscene to a player and not others`
`21:28.24`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Yes, if you had the terrain imported and you built your scene aroudn that, yes`
`21:28.34`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`You can also play a cutscene for specific players only`
`21:28.43`	`zenxu`	`so the models dont show then?`
`21:28.44`	`zenxu`	`right?`
`21:28.48`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`playing a cutscene does not automatically hide the world around it, though`
`21:29.06`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`The models will only show for whichever players you play the cutscene for`
`21:29.40`	`zenxu`	`One of the issues on my rpg was truly that cinematics couldnt be cinematics cause I cannot spam stuff everywhere`
`21:29.58`	`zenxu`	`too bad I dont really feel like improving current cinemtics`
`21:30.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`14 FPS`
`21:30.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`lawl`
`21:30.22`	`Exaken`	`Get a better pc`
`21:30.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`give me money`
`21:30.48`	`zenxu`	`I need money too`
`21:30.53`	`zenxu`	`give me not tainted`
`21:30.54`	`zenxu`	`:(`
`21:31.27`	`Taintedwisp`	`Give me...`
`21:31.28`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`21:31.59`	`zenxu`	`you go play your mini chop chop farms`
`21:32.04`	`zenxu`	`arange tournaments and shit`
`21:32.09`	`zenxu`	`get blizzard to sponsor it`
`21:32.16`	`zenxu`	`then own everyone, easy money`
`21:32.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`BRB`
`21:32.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`Going to close Chrome for more speed`
`21:33.00`	`Saltpeter`	`Can anyone answer my question? D:`
`21:33.20`	`zenxu`	`we cannot know until you ask`
`21:33.21`	`Saltpeter`	`A tutorial link, a short answer, anything. D:`
`21:33.31`	`zenxu`	`for what exactly`
`21:33.44`	`Saltpeter`	`[16:35] <Saltpeter> Got a new question. So, I want to make towers for my game, but I don't want to just copy existing building/unit models for all of them. Specifically, I want a tower to look like 4 small spinecrawlers arranged in a diamond shape, and call it a Quadspine. I want them to attack one spine at a time, visually. How would I do this? Is there a way to do this with the SC2 editor?`
`21:34.14`	`zenxu`	`holy cow not an easy one`
`21:34.19`	`zenxu`	`ill let artestru take over this one`
`21:34.20`	`Saltpeter`	`I didn't think so. D:`
`21:35.26`	`zenxu`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/4284-data-the-uberlisk/`
`21:35.38`	`zenxu`	`thats probly closest one what you are looking for`
`21:35.53`	`zenxu`	`you pretty much have to figure out it from there`
`21:35.54`	`Kueken`	`yep, that should work :)`
`21:36.19`	`Saltpeter`	`Good old OneTwo. <3`
`21:36.30`	`Saltpeter`	`His tutorials helped so much in my first 48 hours as a mapper.`
`21:37.10`	`Vailreth`	`how do you loop through the second dimension of a two dimenisnal array while not looping through the first?`
`21:37.17`	`Bommes`	`Blizz-Artestru: Okay I got it to work. I don't know what caused my troubles before. Don't know if it was functional pre HotS though because I experimented a lot after 1.5`
`21:37.28`	`Bommes`	`Thanks for the help though, now its all functional like it should be :) <3`
`21:39.36`	`Saltpeter`	`Sounds like this is gonna be a nasty portion of my map making process. ;>.> I want all of the towers to be all unique-looking and functioning like that.`
`21:41.01`	`Saltpeter`	`The Beginner Attachments Tutorial in that post is a dead link.`
`21:41.51`	`Exaken`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/8926-data-working-with-attachments-beginner-difficulty/`
`21:42.45`	`Saltpeter`	`Thanks. :D`
`21:43.41`	`Bibendus`	`awww`
`21:43.51`	`Bibendus`	`Blizz-Deletarius where is tanarsis?`
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`21:44.33`	`Taintedwisp`	`BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH`
`21:44.36`	`Taintedwisp`	`ERRRRR`
`21:44.39`	`Taintedwisp`	`sooo annoying`
`21:44.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`21:44.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`I finnaly got my video lag free I made it all the way though..`
`21:45.03`	`Taintedwisp`	`and I forgot to turn the sound on... with ctrl s...`
`21:45.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`lawl`
`21:45.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`Oh well it can have a music track over it..`
`21:46.40`	`Bibendus`	`lol`
`21:47.09`	`Vailreth`	`Tainted do you have the new EF version yet?`
`21:48.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`NO`
`21:48.18`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`21:48.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`Soulcarverr talked to me earlier and said that there was a few more bugs hes working out, we tested it online, The Victory Conditions and the Race selector doesnt work quite yet`
`21:49.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`If you run out of stuff you want to do on the Hero Selection do some terraining on your Campaign`
`21:49.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`:P`
`21:49.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`neither was set up for more then 1 player...`
`21:49.42`	`Taintedwisp`	`so had he not taken it, appearently it wouldnt have worked online at all`
`21:49.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`the entire evo system`
`21:50.06`	`Vailreth`	`ah`
`21:50.14`	`Bommes`	`Wow, I LOVE the new Light actors already.`
`21:50.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yeah and I looked in the triggers, a lot of things had said Player 1 on them for some reason lol`
`21:50.27`	`Bommes`	`I think I'm going to make a tutorial about them once I understand it better.`
`21:50.38`	`Bommes`	`the Actor Messages I mean`
`21:51.26`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`So you got the ilght actors to work outside of cutscenes?`
`21:51.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`Bommes, you should TOTALLY go remake the Toss A tron, I mean fix that one and add weapons haahah`
`21:51.56`	`Taintedwisp`	`and send it to me...`
`21:51.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`hahaahaha`
`21:52.00`	`Bibendus`	`oh artes`
`21:52.05`	`Bibendus`	`where is tanaris`
`21:52.06`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`21:52.36`	`Bibendus`	`i may haz found a bug on dialogs attached to unitz`
`21:52.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`Tenarsis, he comes sometimes, but not too often like once every week or two`
`21:53.19`	`Bibendus`	`i knew I should have asked yesterday`
`21:53.21`	`Bibendus`	`or 2 days ago`
`21:53.23`	`Bibendus`	`or whatever`
`21:53.40`	`Bibendus`	`but maybe Blizz-Artestru or Blizz-Deletarius can ask him a brief question I haz`
`21:53.43`	`Bommes`	`Blizz-Artestru: Yeah was pretty straight forward, don't know what troubled me before. Maybe they weren't functional pre HotS, because I'm pretty sure I tried the things I did now when 1.5 came out.`
`21:53.47`	`Bommes`	`But I might be wrong with that.`
`21:53.51`	`Bommes`	`I'm stupid after all :D`
`21:54.04`	`Skizot`	`who said my name!?`
`21:54.26`	`Bibendus`	`I'm trying to set transparency on dialog items got by hookups (custom status bar) but it's not working... everything else is working (change color, rotation, etc)`
`21:54.32`	`Exaken`	`No one?`
`21:54.40`	`Skizot`	`irc was blinking this channel`
`21:54.42`	`Skizot`	`someone did.`
`21:54.53`	`Bibendus`	`did what`
`21:55.16`	`Bibendus`	`exa?`
`21:55.33`	`Taintedwisp`	`DONT FEAR THE REAPER!!!!!!`
`21:55.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`DONT FEAR THE REAPER!!!`
`21:55.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`21:55.54`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUO_5EALZoM`
`21:55.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`Lol`
`21:56.02`	`Taintedwisp`	`Good oldies song`
`22:00.08`	`Bibendus`	`aw noone cares about me ;D`
`22:01.35`	`*** join/#sc2mapster tordy (627449b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.116.73.183)`
`22:01.36`	`tordy`	`happy friday`
`22:02.00`	`Taintedwisp`	`Uploading the new Mini Chop Farms video`
`22:02.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`I think it serves its purpose`
`22:02.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`22:02.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`25 minutes until completion`
`22:06.15`	`Bibendus`	`damnit`
`22:06.28`	`Bibendus`	`dialog item fading... Y U NO WORK`
`22:06.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`because it no love you.`
`22:06.55`	`Saltpeter`	`If I get this one tower done in the next two days I'll be satisfied. ;>.> This tower is probably going to be the most difficult thing I do for my game.`
`22:06.56`	`Bibendus`	`awww`
`22:07.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`What does the tower do Saltpeter/`
`22:07.18`	`Taintedwisp`	`?`
`22:07.20`	`Bibendus`	`if it doesn't have a faded dialog item attached it's not difficult`
`22:07.25`	`Bibendus`	`kill enemiez!`
`22:08.19`	`Saltpeter`	`It's four small spinecrawlers arranged in a diamond whose attacks are evenly spread out, effectively making the tower 4x the dps of a spinecrawler.`
`22:08.56`	`Saltpeter`	`I'm going through Muze's tutorials for site operations right now.`
`22:09.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`ah`
`22:09.31`	`Saltpeter`	`Almost all my towers will have fancy models like that, but this is the only one I'll be makinf with spinecrawlers.`
`22:09.38`	`Saltpeter`	`They seem tricky to work with.`
`22:09.48`	`Taintedwisp`	`Eh`
`22:09.56`	`Vailreth`	`yeah tentacles are a pain`
`22:10.01`	`Saltpeter`	`Well, lemme put it a different way./`
`22:10.23`	`Saltpeter`	`My imagination will start giving me impractical ideas for towers involving them.`
`22:10.42`	`Saltpeter`	`Like a spinecralwer whose missile is another spinecrawler.`
`22:12.23`	`Saltpeter`	`I want each spine on my tower to attack one target in sequence, or up to 4 targets simultaneously.`
`22:13.06`	`Saltpeter`	`In other words, they won't act independently.`
`22:16.00`	`Exaken`	`Just recorded a scene of 7 seconds using the CSE recorder, 1GB lol`
`22:18.16`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Uncompressed?`
`22:18.23`	`Exaken`	`yep:D`
`22:18.28`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`That sounds about right`
`22:18.31`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`:)`
`22:19.31`	`Vailreth`	`there cleaned up my character select from like 8 triggers to like two and three action deffiniions`
`22:20.20`	`Tolkfan1`	`Does recording without compression give much better quality?`
`22:23.37`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`is CKSyn in here arm?`
`22:23.38`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Sure, it's fully uncompressed. Although if you're going to end up putting it on youtube, then it's not worth it`
`22:23.40`	`Blizz-Deletarius`	`atm*`
`22:28.08`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Taintedwisp (adbd30b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.189.48.183)`
`22:28.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`RUN TO THE HILLS`
`22:28.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!]`
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`22:35.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`Obama... Everyone hates him, he says he is going to release a White house beer recipe, everyone loves him.... I hate america...`
`22:35.43`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`22:35.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`Mostly Dumbasses`
`22:35.54`	`Taintedwisp`	`With the select few`
`22:36.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`They were complaining about him dodging important questions`
`22:36.22`	`Taintedwisp`	`and they are happy now because he is... releasing a beer?`
`22:39.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`Well this sucks...`
`22:39.16`	`Taintedwisp`	`Lol`
`22:39.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`Yo Vailreth, what you up to? you start working on your Terrain fro your campaign?`
`22:50.16`	`Bommes`	`God, the Light actors are really amazing. I can see so many great uses for that (although its a little sad that it is only visible on Shader Options set to High or Ultra).`
`22:50.22`	`Bommes`	`But making a tutorial is so much work :/`
`22:52.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`Are the actors actual actors in the data editor?`
`22:52.20`	`Taintedwisp`	`You might be able to make them appear on lower settings if so with the events`
`22:52.34`	`Taintedwisp`	`Similar to how mineral fields set the glow in higher settings`
`22:53.14`	`Taintedwisp`	`Bommes go fix dat toss a tron ahahaha`
`22:53.40`	`Bommes`	`@Tainted no idea if thats possible, they are actual actors but I think the models only show on high shader options`
`22:53.52`	`Bommes`	`but you could for example make spotlights in any direction you want`
`22:53.56`	`Bommes`	`for flashlights etc.`
`22:54.04`	`Bommes`	`you can make them change color`
`22:54.08`	`Bommes`	`loop color even like a rainbow archon`
`22:54.15`	`Bommes`	`etc.`
`22:54.39`	`Bommes`	`a lot more options there`
`22:55.02`	`Bommes`	`not only spotlights, but also omnilights in every direction`
`23:00.14`	`tordy`	`i hate mosquitos`
`23:00.19`	`tordy`	`does california have a lot of mosquitos?`
`23:02.56`	`*** join/#sc2mapster tordy (627449b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.116.73.183)`
`23:03.01`	`tordy`	`*mosquitos`
`23:03.14`	`tordy`	`oes`
`23:03.36`	`Tolkfan1`	`anyone know of a way to speed up a sound in the data editor?`
`23:05.24`	`Bommes`	`@Tolkfan1 I don't that functionality is built into sounds, but you can change the pitch which automatically changes the speed at which the sound is played`
`23:05.27`	`Bommes`	`I may be wrong though`
`23:05.29`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Spot and Omni lights definitely only work on the higher graphics options.`
`23:05.47`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`And beware of omni lights. They are very expensive. :)`
`23:06.13`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Pitch is the only way to speed up a sound, which will make it sound like the chipmunks.`
`23:06.41`	`Bommes`	`Blizz-Artestru: If I have a reliable way of crashing the game with a fatal error (attaching a spotlight to something without giving it a facing), how should I report it?`
`23:07.18`	`Bommes`	`Does it make sense to use the automatic error report thing?`
`23:07.20`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`I'll take it`
`23:07.28`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Yes always send that.`
`23:07.32`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`In fact`
`23:07.35`	`Bommes`	`With a description?`
`23:07.36`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Just type the steps in there.`
`23:07.38`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Yeah`
`23:07.41`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`That's easiest`
`23:07.44`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`We read all of those`
`23:07.46`	`Bommes`	`I got the german client, does it automatically get forwarded to you?`
`23:07.50`	`Bommes`	`okay :) good`
`23:08.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`all of them? mwhahahahahhah`
`23:11.02`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Yup`
`23:14.46`	`Taintedwisp`	`Shouldnt have told me that...`
`23:14.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`23:14.58`	`Taintedwisp`	`Well then I gotta go find a crash error hahh`
`23:15.39`	`tordy`	`does a trigger run on 1 thread?`
`23:17.08`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgqpumQTVLc&feature=youtu.be I added a bogus song from their sound swap so there will be a Seether Song up on it later`
`23:20.51`	`Bommes`	`@tordy Yes, triggers run individually.`
`23:21.34`	`Bommes`	`I don't know if each one is a thread from a technical standpoint, but what they do is called a "Thread" so using the term is okay I guess.`
`23:21.52`	`Bommes`	`You can check an option in Action Definitions so they run on a separate thread as well.`
`23:23.29`	`Taintedwisp`	`Anyways, you can tell I did SOME improvements to Mini Chop Farms right?`
`23:23.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`23:26.35`	`Taintedwisp`	`PLAY MINI CHOP FARMS`
`23:26.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`hahah`
`23:27.25`	`Vailreth`	`i wish there was a burniing fuse model and the cow had a attachment at its head`
`23:29.17`	`Bommes`	`Do cows move their head relatively to their body a lot?`
`23:29.29`	`Bommes`	`as in do they have animations that move the head?`
`23:29.37`	`Taintedwisp`	`Put fire medium on thier butt...`
`23:29.38`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`23:29.49`	`Vailreth`	`heh`
`23:30.06`	`Vailreth`	`make a hellion flame shoot out the back`
`23:30.22`	`tordy`	`by thread i mean that's counted for the 1024 thread limit`
`23:31.05`	`Taintedwisp`	`yeah that would be cool`
`23:31.27`	`Bommes`	`tordy: Yes, triggers are threads. As are Action Definitions with the Thread box checked.`
`23:32.01`	`Bommes`	`But mind that it is not a limit in your map, it is a limit of threads running at the same time afaik.`
`23:32.16`	`Bommes`	`So you could have more than 1024 triggers (which would be incredibly stupid though), as long as they don't run at the same time.`
`23:32.51`	`Bommes`	`In the same sense, you could have only 100 triggers, but because they fire multiple times (for example for every unit entering a region or something) you could hit the limit there.`
`23:35.18`	`Tolkfan1`	`Ah, nothing like flipping an entire room just to use it's floor as a wall for another room...`
`23:39.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`Watching this idiot play warcraft 2 compaign... and he is blaming Warcraft 2 because the voices arent the same noob voices in WoW`
`23:40.53`	`Saltpeter`	`When I finish this tower, I'm so FRAPSing it and showing it off to you guys. It's gonna look so cool the way it operates. ^_^ I can't wait to see it work.`
`23:41.13`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgqpumQTVLc&feature=youtu.be`
`23:41.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`lawl`
`23:42.01`	`tordy`	`oh of course bommmes`
`23:42.07`	`tordy`	`>:)`
`23:42.32`	`tordy`	`Taintedwisp first thing i noticed`
`23:42.35`	`tordy`	`you're not using leaderboard headers!`
`23:42.38`	`tordy`	`>:)`
`23:42.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`AHAHAH`
`23:42.57`	`Taintedwisp`	`I dont do the triggers`
`23:43.03`	`tordy`	`who does`
`23:43.06`	`Taintedwisp`	`lawl`
`23:43.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`I forget who did those`
`23:43.17`	`tordy`	`>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>:)`
`23:43.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hobbidude? Or was is o123`
`23:43.22`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`23:43.40`	`Taintedwisp`	`Soulcarverr thought the Evolution Frenzy triggers were bad...`
`23:43.41`	`Taintedwisp`	`AHAHAAHHAAH`
`23:43.42`	`tordy`	`so what part do you do`
`23:43.47`	`Taintedwisp`	`Mini Chop Farms triggers look terrible`
`23:43.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`Project management, Data, Terrain, Art for the most part`
`23:44.01`	`tordy`	`as long as it works`
`23:44.07`	`tordy`	`it's alright`
`23:44.11`	`Taintedwisp`	`well the victory conditions dont work`
`23:44.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`I do everything but triggers, and I do minor MINOR triggers`
`23:44.34`	`tordy`	`you should do some triggers`
`23:44.55`	`Taintedwisp`	`Triggers are the devil...`
`23:44.59`	`Taintedwisp`	`Screw those things`
`23:45.05`	`tordy`	`you're the devil!`
`23:45.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`Possibly`
`23:45.13`	`Saltpeter`	`Triggers are my favorite part of mapmaking so far. >.> <.<`
`23:45.26`	`Saltpeter`	`Maybe I'm the devil.`
`23:45.32`	`Taintedwisp`	`I hate triggers, with a passion, I wish they could be removed and we could get a better alternative...`
`23:46.47`	`Saltpeter`	`I can't imagine a better alternative, short of the editor knowing what you want in advance with some kind of intuition based on previous actions. But that's more trouble than it's worth. ;>.>`
`23:47.30`	`Taintedwisp`	`Hey Artestru I have an editor suggestion`
`23:47.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`A cord that I can plug into my head, and it can read my brain exactly what I want... and do it`
`23:47.50`	`Taintedwisp`	`i need it by tomorrow too`
`23:47.51`	`Taintedwisp`	`haha`
`23:48.16`	`Tolkfan1`	`data editing is the devil.`
`23:48.22`	`Saltpeter`	`^`
`23:48.28`	`Saltpeter`	`But I'm slowly getting used to it.`
`23:48.40`	`Saltpeter`	`If I can master these blasted spinecrawlers, I can do anyhting! O_O`
`23:48.54`	`Taintedwisp`	`Data editing is cool`
`23:49.01`	`Taintedwisp`	`and can be pretty fun`
`23:49.10`	`Taintedwisp`	`Triggers... no fun... just annoying logic`
`23:49.17`	`Saltpeter`	`Lovely, lovely annoying logic.`
`23:49.45`	`Taintedwisp`	`Pain in da ass logic more like it...`
`23:49.54`	`Taintedwisp`	`Samn Syntax errors`
`23:50.20`	`Saltpeter`	`The logic doesn't bother me. ;>.> Locating the appropriate pre-existing variable and changing it, and hoping you don't do something that makes you start over again, now THAT I hate.`
`23:50.28`	`Tolkfan1`	`triggers are just a programming language, data is... i don't even know how to describe it, but it requires a lot more patience than I have :P`
`23:51.25`	`Saltpeter`	`Triggers are an abstraction of scripting in menu form. I used to make maps for Disciples 2, and the triggers in that work the EXACT same way. Data editing is basically like being able to recite your History lessons.`
`23:51.25`	`Tolkfan1`	`I admit, I am biased`
`23:51.29`	`tordy`	`GEE GEEEEEE`
`23:51.33`	`Bommes`	`Tolkfan1: The Data Editor just consists of premade data structures that have parameters and values.`
`23:51.43`	`Bommes`	`Tolkfan1: Just like an array is a premade data structure.`
`23:51.53`	`Taintedwisp`	`what annoys me really about triggers, is that there is never a pre-made Action or event, that does what I need to do... always have to tip toe around what I want to do with 50 triggers to get it to work`
`23:52.04`	`Bommes`	`the one inside the data editor are a little more complex though`
`23:52.11`	`Bommes`	`at least thats how I understand it`
`23:52.59`	`Saltpeter`	`The objects in the Data editor as a complex web of references. I feel as though a graph-based representation would be easier to visualize than a series of menus. But that would also be not worth the time to make.`
`23:53.00`	`Taintedwisp`	`data even reading it in XML i can understand it... DONT EVER ASK ME TO WRITE IT THOUGH ahahah. nah I used to understand XML like 8 years ago`
`23:53.07`	`Taintedwisp`	`well 6 years ago`
`23:53.26`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`Saltpeter: That's an interesting idea!`
`23:53.30`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`;)`
`23:53.44`	`Saltpeter`	`:3`
`23:53.51`	`Tolkfan1`	`Bommes: yeah, I know what it is, but I don't know what those data structures do... I like to know everything about a tool I'm using. That's impossible with the data editor without very long trial&error or having the documentation for it :P`
`23:54.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`Artestru you just need to know something...`
`23:54.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KNhmfYKKDI&feature=relmfu`
`23:54.25`	`Taintedwisp`	`True story there`
`23:54.27`	`Saltpeter`	`Writing XML is like painting a tree.`
`23:54.42`	`Saltpeter`	`Programming a tree data structure is like growing a tree.`
`23:54.58`	`Bommes`	`Tolkfan1: Luckily other people like Renee or Kueken have done a lot of the trial&error thing for the community, so in most cases its just a matter of reproducing things ;) and then abstracting other possibilities from that isn't very hard in many cases.`
`23:55.02`	`Saltpeter`	`Both acts of beauty. :D`
`23:55.07`	`Blizz-Artestru`	`That is a true story.`
`23:55.10`	`Bommes`	`I think the hardest part is getting started with a new "Data Editor project" in the first place`
`23:55.26`	`Kueken`	`dont compare me with Renee, though`
`23:55.42`	`Kueken`	`the stuff he(she?) does is amazing`
`23:56.06`	`Kueken`	`learned so much`
`23:56.15`	`Bommes`	`yeah but I personally haven't learned much from Renees tutorials because I didn't discover them`
`23:56.18`	`Bommes`	`saw your stuff first`
`23:56.22`	`Kueken`	`:D`
`23:56.24`	`Bommes`	`so for me personally you are that guy`
`23:56.34`	`Bommes`	`all a matter of perspective :D Renee is awesome though`
`23:56.42`	`Kueken`	`renee does have some pretty advanced stuff`
`23:56.52`	`Kueken`	`I have a hard time understanding it for the most part`
`23:57.21`	`Kueken`	`also renee is chinese and doesn't interact with eu/us THAT often, afaik`
`23:57.33`	`Bommes`	`yeah`
`23:57.34`	`Bommes`	`sadly :/`
`23:57.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`well that happens unfortunately.`
`23:57.56`	`Bommes`	`Taintedwisp: Doesn't go as well with everything as the Guile Theme though!`
`23:57.57`	`Bommes`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9h5VaWVRiM`
`23:58.15`	`Taintedwisp`	`I beat taht game...`
`23:58.21`	`Bommes`	`lol`
`23:58.21`	`Taintedwisp`	`it ends at 1 million`
`23:58.24`	`Taintedwisp`	`you shouold go try it`
`23:58.25`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`23:59.12`	`Taintedwisp`	`lol`
`23:59.44`	`Taintedwisp`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgqpumQTVLc&feature=plcp`
`23:59.49`	`Taintedwisp`	`There now the music came through..`
`23:59.54`	`Taintedwisp`	`ends 2 minutes early though`

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