| 00:00.00 | Bibendus | yes |
| 00:00.09 | Bibendus | you have to see at least a bar |
| 00:00.17 | Bibendus | well using a width 1 height 1 |
| 00:00.17 | A1win | so any bar? |
| 00:00.20 | Bibendus | it works |
| 00:00.32 | Bibendus | however... then the duration bar is gone |
| 00:00.37 | A1win | mm... |
| 00:00.48 | Bibendus | why god why |
| 00:00.48 | Bibendus | xD |
| 00:00.55 | A1win | fun times ahead |
| 00:01.00 | Bibendus | not so funny |
| 00:01.08 | Bibendus | and Blizz-Tenarsis disappeared in the clue moment :P |
| 00:01.14 | Bibendus | clù |
| 00:01.17 | Bibendus | mm |
| 00:01.21 | Bibendus | french thing |
| 00:01.52 | Bibendus | clou! |
| 00:02.18 | A1win | I can't decide what to work on :< |
| 00:02.43 | Almaity | world domination perhaps? |
| 00:02.49 | Almaity | Can never go wrong with world domination |
| 00:03.08 | A1win | I had it already planned out and then it felt like I had already done it so it became boring |
| 00:03.14 | Blizz-Artestru | Someone clearly never watched Pinky and the Brain. |
| 00:03.17 | Vail|Gone | if you want to fund my mad schemes i will gladly take back up that hobby |
| 00:03.20 | Bibendus | lol |
| 00:03.29 | Bibendus | are you pinky and tenarsis the brain? |
| 00:03.30 | Bibendus | :P |
| 00:03.47 | Blizz-Artestru | Ouch! |
| 00:04.01 | Bibendus | :D |
| 00:04.25 | Bibendus | my world domination plan is not going well btw |
| 00:04.33 | Blizz-Artestru | Yeah you've already made one enemy! |
| 00:04.33 | Almaity | :p |
| 00:04.38 | Bibendus | noooo xD |
| 00:05.07 | Bibendus | please forgive me mighty artes |
| 00:05.11 | Kueken | yep, Deletarius now hates you, because he is neither pinky nor the brain |
| 00:05.27 | Bibendus | deletarius is not here AH! |
| 00:05.28 | Bibendus | :D |
| 00:05.35 | Blizz-Artestru | I've already told him. |
| 00:05.35 | Blizz-Tenarsis | hmm |
| 00:05.41 | Bibendus | oh he's back |
| 00:05.43 | Bibendus | my salvation :D |
| 00:05.44 | Kueken | doesn't prevent him from hating you ;) |
| 00:05.52 | Blizz-Tenarsis | here you go |
| 00:05.54 | Blizz-Tenarsis | <UnitFlags index="SuppressDefaultStatusBar" value="1"/> |
| 00:05.55 | A1win | Bibendus, and now he's going to tell you it can't be done |
| 00:06.02 | A1win | aww too slow |
| 00:06.05 | Bibendus | lol |
| 00:06.24 | Blizz-Tenarsis | so leave the status bars enabled but use that flag to hide them |
| 00:06.30 | Blizz-Tenarsis | problem solved |
| 00:06.42 | A1win | except that then he's not having the bar again |
| 00:06.46 | A1win | which he wanted |
| 00:06.48 | Blizz-Tenarsis | nah |
| 00:06.49 | Vailreth | Because knowing is half the battle. |
| 00:06.55 | Blizz-Tenarsis | it will show the CustomUnitStatusFrame still |
| 00:07.02 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (~Bibendus@ip-80-249-36-63.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 00:07.04 | A1win | he also wanted to show the progress bar thingy |
| 00:07.09 | Bibendus | why disconnection whyyyyy |
| 00:07.23 | Blizz-Tenarsis | <Frame type="UnitStatusProgressBar" name="ProgressBar" |
| 00:07.25 | Bibendus | where do I set the thing |
| 00:07.36 | Blizz-Tenarsis | that will let you make a custom progress bar |
| 00:07.52 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Supress Default Status Bar on the Actor Unit |
| 00:08.43 | Bibendus | can't find it |
| 00:08.58 | Bibendus | actor or unit |
| 00:09.07 | Bibendus | oh |
| 00:09.08 | Bibendus | in the UI |
| 00:09.19 | Blizz-Tenarsis | uhh |
| 00:09.21 | Blizz-Tenarsis | actor |
| 00:09.23 | Blizz-Tenarsis | flags |
| 00:09.28 | Blizz-Tenarsis | sorry |
| 00:09.56 | Bibendus | there is not |
| 00:09.57 | Bibendus | xD |
| 00:10.00 | Blizz-Tenarsis | unit flags |
| 00:10.04 | Bibendus | actor unit |
| 00:10.04 | Bibendus | flag |
| 00:10.05 | Bibendus | xD |
| 00:10.08 | Blizz-Tenarsis | actor unit - unit flags |
| 00:10.37 | Bibendus | y |
| 00:11.03 | Bibendus | but |
| 00:11.11 | Bibendus | the progress bar is still hidden |
| 00:11.15 | Bibendus | it hides all the bars now |
| 00:12.11 | Bibendus | I still need the behavior progress bar |
| 00:12.20 | A1win | < Blizz-Tenarsis> <Frame type="UnitStatusProgressBar" name="ProgressBar" |
| 00:12.21 | Blizz-Tenarsis | <Frame type="UnitStatusProgressBar" name="ProgressBar" |
| 00:12.26 | Blizz-Tenarsis | :| |
| 00:12.38 | Blizz-Tenarsis | A1win will answer all further questions |
| 00:12.38 | Almaity | oh come on >.> Explicit rotation is hating me. I set the Z on forward to -1 to have ShapeHeart stand upright, then I need to make it face a tiny bit to the right, but if I change the X or Y values to do that, it will hang diagonally in the air (Even though the Z vector should make it be vertical) |
| 00:12.43 | Bibendus | whe |
| 00:12.43 | A1win | ok D: |
| 00:12.44 | Bibendus | why |
| 00:12.46 | Bibendus | where xD |
| 00:12.57 | Bibendus | oh progressbar |
| 00:12.58 | A1win | umm... I don't know! *panic* |
| 00:13.12 | Bibendus | so i'm remaking a new one? |
| 00:13.27 | Blizz-Tenarsis | you have to replace it with a custom progress bar |
| 00:13.37 | Blizz-Tenarsis | you can use an example from the XML I linked earlier |
| 00:13.54 | Blizz-Tenarsis | http://pastebin.com/ttiHyvLS |
| 00:13.55 | Bibendus | nooooo |
| 00:13.56 | Bibendus | xD |
| 00:14.04 | Blizz-Tenarsis | look at UnitStatusProgressBarTemplate |
| 00:14.15 | Bibendus | so I have to remake it |
| 00:14.21 | Blizz-Tenarsis | basically |
| 00:14.30 | Blizz-Tenarsis | but you get full control over it |
| 00:15.01 | Bibendus | @UI/HotS_HeroUnit_Status_Bar |
| 00:15.03 | Bibendus | and this? |
| 00:15.06 | Bibendus | what can I use |
| 00:15.38 | Almaity | eff it, I give up. You win this time, Explicit Rotation. |
| 00:15.40 | Bibendus | I suppose |
| 00:15.42 | Bibendus | i was checking the wrong one :P |
| 00:15.43 | Almaity | And probably next time as well |
| 00:15.45 | Almaity | And the time after that... |
| 00:16.13 | Bibendus | template="HotS_UnitStatus/UnitStatusProgressBarTemplate |
| 00:16.34 | Bibendus | oh it's not finding the hots template |
| 00:16.35 | Bibendus | weird :P |
| 00:17.02 | Kueken | Almaity: whats the problem? |
| 00:17.37 | Bibendus | I haz to remake the unit status bar |
| 00:17.50 | Bibendus | using the dialog editor |
| 00:17.52 | Bibendus | Ui editor |
| 00:17.57 | Bibendus | http://pastebin.com/ttiHyvLS |
| 00:18.16 | Almaity | Remember how I last time tried to change the facing of an actor a bit using explicit rotation? That was for ShapeHand, same SOp won't work for ShapeHeart. If I try to combine the facing one with the -1 Z forward vector one, the model is tilted instead of staying vertical |
| 00:18.28 | A1win | mmh on the other hand it could be interesting to make a map that actually has terrain too... been working for so long on dynamic environments that might be nice to create something that actually looks good for a change |
| 00:18.34 | Blizz-Tenarsis | almaity you might need to normalize your vector |
| 00:18.47 | Bibendus | how the hell is he answering so fast xD |
| 00:18.47 | Almaity | No idea what that means >.> these vectors just confuse the hell out of me |
| 00:18.58 | Kueken | normalize = use a length of 1 |
| 00:19.10 | Kueken | right? |
| 00:19.11 | Bibendus | max length of 1 |
| 00:19.28 | Almaity | Im using 0.5, 0.87, -1 for forward vector atm |
| 00:19.34 | Bibendus | so they seem normalized |
| 00:19.37 | Almaity | its tilted slightly |
| 00:19.38 | Blizz-Tenarsis | sqrt(x^2 + y^2 + z^2) == 1 |
| 00:19.41 | Almaity | instead of vertical |
| 00:19.44 | Bibendus | ooooooooh |
| 00:19.48 | Almaity | oh... ok, ill try |
| 00:19.52 | Kueken | so Blizz-Tenarsis the length of the vector actually matters? |
| 00:20.06 | Bibendus | it seems so :P |
| 00:20.07 | Kueken | I thought only the direction would |
| 00:20.12 | Blizz-Tenarsis | I don't think so but it will help you understand why it's tilted :P |
| 00:20.13 | Almaity | oh god, how will I ever calculate that |
| 00:20.28 | Bibendus | A1win, tenarsis said u haz to help me :D |
| 00:20.40 | A1win | D: |
| 00:20.57 | Bibendus | how do I copy the status bar |
| 00:21.01 | Bibendus | from the pastebin |
| 00:21.08 | Bibendus | progressbar |
| 00:21.23 | Bibendus | http://pastebin.com/ttiHyvLS |
| 00:21.45 | ckSynergy | is it too much to ask for a Ability: Target field in augments? |
| 00:21.50 | A1win | I don't know much about the XML stuff ;p |
| 00:21.51 | ckSynergy | sighs |
| 00:21.54 | Bibendus | agh |
| 00:22.28 | Bibendus | so tenarsis :P |
| 00:22.35 | Bibendus | i ahz to bother you again :D |
| 00:22.38 | Bibendus | haz |
| 00:22.39 | Blizz-Artestru | I'm almost certain you have to normalize the vector. Normalizing is easy (just divide each component by the magnitude). |
| 00:23.02 | Blizz-Tenarsis | just copy paste the progress bar from the pastebin and change the texture to something else |
| 00:23.29 | Bibendus | there are a lot of them |
| 00:23.38 | Blizz-Tenarsis | the first one |
| 00:23.42 | Almaity | so I tried making a site op where the squares of the x/y/z fields added up to one. Still tilted >.> |
| 00:23.45 | Bibendus | even the template? |
| 00:23.54 | Blizz-Artestru | What were the values? |
| 00:23.54 | Bibendus | <Frame type="UnitStatusProgressBar" name="UnitStatusProgressBarTemplate" template="HotS_UnitStatus/UnitStatusBarTemplate"> |
| 00:23.55 | Almaity | I guess its because the Z vector cant be -1 then... |
| 00:24.00 | Bibendus | this? |
| 00:24.00 | Blizz-Tenarsis | no you will have to copy paste the template manually |
| 00:24.07 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yeah that one |
| 00:24.13 | Almaity | I need the Z to be -1 so that its vertical |
| 00:24.19 | Bibendus | because there is a side one later |
| 00:24.25 | Almaity | can I get vertical-ity without -1 in Z? |
| 00:24.27 | Blizz-Artestru | What vector did you use? |
| 00:24.41 | Almaity | FieldHeart Stamp Rotation Actor: Forward(0.412300,0.574400,-0.707000) |
| 00:24.48 | Almaity | wouldnt be surprised if I got it wrong |
| 00:25.11 | Kueken | so after standing upright, you want it to face another direction? |
| 00:25.16 | Almaity | yea |
| 00:25.54 | Almaity | it looks awkward with the default facing because it doesn't match the impact |
| 00:26.09 | Kueken | so for standing upright, you use forward (0,0,-1) up (0,-1,0) |
| 00:26.23 | Almaity | never set an Up vector cause it worked without it |
| 00:26.30 | Kueken | ;) |
| 00:26.34 | Bibendus | wait |
| 00:26.35 | Kueken | might be the problem |
| 00:26.41 | Bibendus | template="HotS_UnitStatus/UnitStatusBarTemplate |
| 00:26.42 | Bibendus | and this? |
| 00:26.43 | Almaity | and I didnt have the nerves to do trial and error with that one |
| 00:26.49 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Bibendus: try this http://pastebin.com/xPbaYbbQ |
| 00:26.49 | Blizz-Artestru | Do you understand the basics of what up and forward vectors mean? |
| 00:27.15 | Almaity | Not entirely. There was a good post about it on mapster once, but I forgot since >.> |
| 00:27.20 | Bibendus | :* |
| 00:27.21 | Kueken | try forward (0,0,-1) and up (1,-1,0) |
| 00:27.31 | Kueken | should face 45° to one direction |
| 00:27.42 | Kueken | (not sure which one :D) |
| 00:27.57 | Bibendus | mmm I think it's not showing |
| 00:28.06 | Blizz-Artestru | hmm, seems like visualizing up and forward vectors would be a good addition for the cutscene editor |
| 00:28.18 | Almaity | definitely |
| 00:28.28 | Kueken | well, maity, if you visualize a marine |
| 00:28.41 | Blizz-Artestru | the cutscene editor actually uses euler angles since that's what artists are more used to... would be easy to add up and forward vectors as a property so you can rotate an actor how you want it, then copy and paste |
| 00:28.42 | Bibendus | the health thing is still showing |
| 00:28.44 | Kueken | the forward vector would be the direction he is looking |
| 00:28.45 | Bibendus | but not the status bar |
| 00:28.47 | Almaity | ok, thx for those numbers kueken, just need the opposite direction and 30 degrees |
| 00:28.58 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yeah I didn't test it :) |
| 00:29.00 | Kueken | the up vector is from feet to head |
| 00:29.30 | Bibendus | lolz :P |
| 00:29.46 | Bibendus | I wantz hots templates :P |
| 00:29.48 | A1win | Kueken, so basically the forward vector is the vector that points forward, and the up vector is the vector that points up :O |
| 00:29.56 | Kueken | yes indeed :D |
| 00:29.57 | Kueken | now |
| 00:30.07 | Kueken | what you did for the heart |
| 00:30.12 | Blizz-Artestru | And they need to be orthogonal for them to make sense. I'm not entirely sure what the engine does if they're not. |
| 00:30.27 | Bibendus | it haz 2 heights |
| 00:30.41 | Bibendus | may it be the problem? |
| 00:30.51 | Almaity | kueken, didn't you post an image once or something? Or was that someone else? that one made it pretty clear to me, but i forgot it and dont know where to find it |
| 00:31.05 | Bibendus | nope |
| 00:31.06 | Kueken | could be me, don't remember |
| 00:31.27 | Kueken | change the heart to a marine temporarily |
| 00:31.51 | Bibendus | from my really high knowledge of UI xml editing it seems all fine :| |
| 00:31.51 | Kueken | the vectors you defined in the sop are still the same |
| 00:32.21 | Kueken | the marine should lie on the ground |
| 00:32.25 | Almaity | (0,0,-1) (-0,87,-1,0) did it, but continue |
| 00:32.29 | Kueken | forward would be the direction the marine is looking |
| 00:32.46 | QUACKZOVV3 | Kueken the truthful |
| 00:32.50 | Kueken | which would pe downwards |
| 00:32.53 | Kueken | *be |
| 00:32.56 | Kueken | hi Lajla |
| 00:33.10 | Kueken | and up is still from feet to head |
| 00:33.22 | Almaity | so yea, -1 forward puts its face in the dirt, I know that part. X moves it left right I believe, no idea what Y does on forward |
| 00:33.48 | Kueken | exactly |
| 00:33.51 | Bibendus | tomorrow I won't probably wake up for work :| |
| 00:34.00 | Kueken | and the up changes the direction its head points |
| 00:34.02 | Almaity | there's a reason why I call the -1 Z one "Faceplant" |
| 00:34.34 | Kueken | and now, when the marine lies in the dirt |
| 00:34.46 | Kueken | you want to turn his head left or right |
| 00:34.48 | Almaity | so yeah, X on up will change its facing now cause its in the dirt |
| 00:34.54 | Kueken | while maintaining the direction it looks |
| 00:35.03 | Kueken | thats what you need the up vector for :) |
| 00:35.12 | Kueken | :D |
| 00:35.33 | Almaity | anyway, X on forward defines the angle the marine looks, Z makes it eat dirt, but what does Y do? |
| 00:35.36 | Kueken | I would call that an "unconventional explanation" xD |
| 00:35.55 | Kueken | y makes it look forward |
| 00:36.07 | Kueken | change y to positive |
| 00:36.12 | Kueken | and it looks backwards |
| 00:36.28 | Bibendus | Blizz-Tenarsis I'm trying the hookup thing too |
| 00:36.43 | Kueken | also it defines the angle |
| 00:36.48 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Bibendus: going to debug this progress bar in a second |
| 00:36.54 | Bibendus | not workin |
| 00:36.57 | Kueken | big x, not much y = far right |
| 00:36.59 | Almaity | ok, wait, so what does X do then? I keep trying to think of it on 2D planes for some reason >.> |
| 00:37.04 | Bibendus | oh k |
| 00:37.18 | Kueken | a little x, more y = just a little right |
| 00:37.31 | Bibendus | I was checking the trigger part in the meanwhile, it says: UI Frame [HealthPeatal] not able to be hooked up in [HealthPetal] |
| 00:37.35 | Almaity | ok, so those two just combine? |
| 00:37.43 | Kueken | all 3 of them combine |
| 00:37.50 | Kueken | its a vector |
| 00:37.51 | Blizz-Tenarsis | you spelled it wrong? :P |
| 00:37.55 | Almaity | Well, I understand how Z works on its own |
| 00:37.59 | Almaity | but not how X and Y work on their own |
| 00:38.07 | Bibendus | mm |
| 00:38.11 | Bibendus | i rewrote it |
| 00:38.26 | Bibendus | cuz there is no copy paste from sc2 |
| 00:38.30 | Bibendus | but the name should be correct mm |
| 00:38.31 | Kueken | a vector defines a 3 dimensional direction |
| 00:38.45 | Blizz-Tenarsis | try hooking up TestImage |
| 00:38.46 | Bibendus | HealthPetal |
| 00:38.49 | Bibendus | k |
| 00:39.02 | Bibendus | type image? |
| 00:39.06 | Blizz-Tenarsis | ya |
| 00:39.31 | Kueken | hm |
| 00:39.44 | A1win | hmm... I just had the coolest idea :O http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2UbAAEDKsY when I was making that, I wasn't aware that it was the fact that hose are units that was causing the performance drop... if I replace those with actors, I could totally do that |
| 00:39.45 | Kueken | I am kind of at a loss now |
| 00:39.57 | Kueken | not sure how to explain it further |
| 00:39.59 | A1win | that's the environment moving, the SCV is physically in the same spot all the time |
| 00:40.03 | Bibendus | yesssssss |
| 00:40.11 | Almaity | oh well >.> |
| 00:40.14 | Bibendus | i was able to hide it by trigger after 10 seconds |
| 00:40.20 | Almaity | I guess I'll just have to bother you again if I fail at explicit rotations again |
| 00:40.22 | Bibendus | Dialog - Hooks up an existing Image in the Unit Status Frame for (Created unit) called "TestImage" |
| 00:40.27 | Bibendus | so this works |
| 00:40.42 | Bibendus | now just the status bar :P |
| 00:40.55 | Almaity | I feel like I need to go study physics <.> |
| 00:41.00 | *** join/#sc2mapster Lajjla (~Lajla@2001:0:5ef5:79fd:2853:3467:ae33:eb94) |
| 00:41.02 | Bibendus | and I should be able to manage the thing |
| 00:41.14 | Bibendus | I can help |
| 00:41.14 | Kueken | did you learn about vectors at school? |
| 00:41.16 | Bibendus | with physics |
| 00:41.21 | Bibendus | :P |
| 00:41.24 | Almaity | not in 3 dimensions |
| 00:41.33 | Bibendus | same as 2d |
| 00:41.37 | Bibendus | but with 3d vectors |
| 00:41.37 | Bibendus | :P |
| 00:41.42 | Almaity | I know how to combine 2 dimensions, but 3 just confuses the hell out of me |
| 00:41.48 | Almaity | Cause I have no idea where the third direction goes |
| 00:41.56 | Bibendus | just sum vectors |
| 00:41.57 | Bibendus | and gg |
| 00:42.13 | Bibendus | you can simply do a sum |
| 00:42.18 | Bibendus | of X,Y,Z of each vector |
| 00:42.27 | ckSynergy | wait you made a map thats 1,000,000^2? |
| 00:42.28 | Bibendus | and the result is the new vector A + B |
| 00:42.31 | Almaity | yes, but the problem is that I dont know what direction X, Y and Z are in the editor |
| 00:42.39 | Bibendus | oh wel |
| 00:42.42 | Bibendus | :P |
| 00:42.49 | Almaity | Maths wont help me when I cant visualize wha I'm doing |
| 00:42.58 | Kueken | x=left/right, y=forward/backward, z=up/down :D |
| 00:43.18 | Bibendus | 5 hours of sleep |
| 00:43.19 | Bibendus | yee |
| 00:43.20 | Bibendus | :P |
| 00:43.25 | Almaity | Wait, i think I got it now >.> |
| 00:43.30 | A1win | ahah I think I could make a minecraft clone with limited vision range |
| 00:43.42 | A1win | and limited tile modification |
| 00:43.48 | Bibendus | and single player |
| 00:43.49 | Bibendus | xD |
| 00:43.57 | A1win | no! multiplayer |
| 00:44.01 | Bibendus | wait u can't |
| 00:44.08 | A1win | why not :D |
| 00:44.09 | Bibendus | cuz variables are limited |
| 00:44.18 | Almaity | if I saw a marine from the front, X would make it be diagonal, right? And Y would be like unit facing |
| 00:44.22 | Bibendus | are u going to use a x y z array? |
| 00:44.24 | A1win | yeah I know, I said limited modification |
| 00:44.32 | Bibendus | well |
| 00:44.32 | Kueken | nope ;) |
| 00:44.33 | Bibendus | .. |
| 00:44.34 | A1win | no, I'm not going to use an array |
| 00:44.36 | Bibendus | they are a lot limited |
| 00:44.38 | Almaity | other way around? |
| 00:44.42 | A1win | minecraft doesn't use an array either |
| 00:44.42 | Bibendus | so what are you going to use |
| 00:44.44 | Kueken | x/y plane would be unit facing |
| 00:44.46 | A1win | a function |
| 00:44.51 | Bibendus | O_o |
| 00:44.53 | A1win | procedural generation |
| 00:44.59 | Bibendus | no but |
| 00:45.08 | Bibendus | to store the points status |
| 00:45.09 | Kueken | oh |
| 00:45.10 | A1win | tile modifications into a data table |
| 00:45.16 | Bibendus | oh data table ok |
| 00:45.18 | A1win | only save modified tiles |
| 00:45.25 | A1win | that's how CraftCraft works already |
| 00:45.27 | Bibendus | but |
| 00:45.29 | Bibendus | you can't generate it then |
| 00:45.30 | Kueken | I think I misunderstood what you were saying |
| 00:45.33 | A1win | but it uses units so the vision is limited |
| 00:45.35 | Bibendus | randomly |
| 00:45.39 | A1win | why not? |
| 00:45.42 | Bibendus | because you suppose that unmodified tiles |
| 00:45.47 | Bibendus | have a specified type |
| 00:45.54 | A1win | yea |
| 00:46.00 | A1win | the function returns the type |
| 00:46.11 | A1win | using a fixed random seed |
| 00:46.13 | Kueken | the thing is, the forward and up vectors are connected |
| 00:46.19 | Bibendus | oh k |
| 00:46.20 | Almaity | yea, I get that |
| 00:46.22 | Kueken | if the up vector is 0,0,1 |
| 00:46.25 | Almaity | I see how they interact |
| 00:46.27 | Bibendus | so you don't store them |
| 00:46.31 | Bibendus | you generate the info when you need it |
| 00:46.31 | Almaity | I just dont know what planes X, Y and Z are |
| 00:46.34 | A1win | yeah |
| 00:46.35 | Bibendus | interesting :P |
| 00:46.38 | A1win | and only store modified tiles |
| 00:46.40 | Kueken | then the combination of x and y values of the forward actor define the facing |
| 00:46.50 | A1win | I do that alraedy in CraftCraft, there the limitation is that the tiles are units |
| 00:46.51 | Almaity | There's 3 planes, I dont know which is which |
| 00:46.56 | A1win | but if I use actors I could do it |
| 00:46.58 | Bibendus | well in my map I can't randomly generate :| |
| 00:47.14 | Kueken | but thats probably not helping :/ |
| 00:47.16 | Bibendus | else it would have been a nice solution |
| 00:47.32 | A1win | what do you mean can't randomly generate? |
| 00:47.35 | Kueken | also forward and up vector have to be orthogonal |
| 00:47.37 | A1win | it doesn't need to be random generation |
| 00:47.38 | Bibendus | on my map :D |
| 00:47.47 | Almaity | oh well, I'll just try and find a video about such vectors at some point |
| 00:47.51 | Almaity | Im too tired right now >.> |
| 00:47.52 | A1win | you can make the function return whatever you want |
| 00:48.04 | Almaity | wait, fuck, now I remember part of the image |
| 00:48.05 | A1win | GetTileType(x,y) |
| 00:48.08 | Bibendus | yeah but I haz to store the data |
| 00:48.20 | A1win | you can procedurally generate things without it being random |
| 00:48.37 | Almaity | its like that thing in the previewer that allows you to scale models. Three arrows going in three directions, forward, right and up |
| 00:48.50 | Bibendus | oh understood |
| 00:48.57 | Bibendus | but you have |
| 00:48.59 | A1win | like if tile distance from center of map < 10 return empty <- creates an empty circle in the middle of the map |
| 00:49.03 | Bibendus | to go over all the function |
| 00:49.22 | Bibendus | ye a lot of cases |
| 00:49.27 | A1win | sure |
| 00:49.31 | Almaity | not scale models, move em, srry |
| 00:49.37 | Bibendus | dunno if it would be a good idea |
| 00:49.42 | A1win | but computers are pretty good at that kind of stuff :P |
| 00:49.45 | Bibendus | to ask everytime to run the whole map generation trigger |
| 00:49.52 | A1win | I have insanely complex math in my function and it runs just fine |
| 00:49.59 | Bibendus | I'm happy with my x y vector :P |
| 00:50.03 | A1win | hehe |
| 00:50.10 | Bibendus | I have a lot of things to do |
| 00:50.11 | A1win | well if you need to generate the entire map at once |
| 00:50.11 | Bibendus | on the map |
| 00:50.14 | A1win | then that's not a good idea :D |
| 00:50.24 | Bibendus | well it is for me |
| 00:50.33 | Almaity | Kueken: http://i.imgur.com/HTeUz.png Blue is Z, red is X and green is Y, right? |
| 00:50.35 | Bibendus | I use coordinates huyndred of times a second |
| 00:50.40 | A1win | I mean it's not a good idea to use the function if you need to store the entire map anyway |
| 00:50.51 | Bibendus | and just reading X Y properties in an instant is more efficient :P |
| 00:50.57 | Bibendus | ye |
| 00:51.03 | Bibendus | and in any case |
| 00:51.06 | Bibendus | there are a lot of digs |
| 00:51.06 | Bibendus | :P |
| 00:51.17 | Bibendus | is Blizz-Tenarsis still alive? |
| 00:51.22 | Bibendus | cuz I wanted to go bed :P |
| 00:51.24 | A1win | 3D minecraft clone might be a bit of an overkill though |
| 00:51.28 | Kueken | yes |
| 00:51.30 | Bibendus | ye and useless |
| 00:51.30 | Bibendus | lol |
| 00:51.36 | A1win | 2D would be just fine :D |
| 00:51.40 | Almaity | Finally. I was thinking of it the wrong way the entire time >.> |
| 00:51.41 | Bibendus | terraria |
| 00:51.42 | Bibendus | :P |
| 00:52.13 | A1win | but imagine the hype people would get from a 3D minecraft clone |
| 00:52.14 | Almaity | I was thinking of the X/Y/Z as seperate planes, instead of Axis... |
| 00:52.16 | A1win | oh well |
| 00:52.45 | A1win | could still be first person even if the map is 2D |
| 00:52.51 | A1win | x/y plane |
| 00:52.51 | Blizz-Tenarsis | hi |
| 00:52.57 | Bibendus | hi :P |
| 00:53.05 | Bibendus | did u find a solution |
| 00:53.08 | Almaity | Goat sacrifices, man. They work. |
| 00:53.09 | Bibendus | else i go to bed :P |
| 00:53.22 | Bibendus | my boss won't be happy while I'll sleep during the meeting tomorrow |
| 00:54.00 | Bibendus | ooooh sh** |
| 00:54.08 | Bibendus | a cool question just came in my mind now |
| 00:54.38 | Kueken | oh god, its a cool question |
| 00:54.39 | Kueken | run! |
| 00:54.58 | Bibendus | :D |
| 00:55.07 | A1win | I think I'll still have to do that 3D thing even just as a proof of concept map |
| 00:55.24 | A1win | just because we can! |
| 00:55.46 | Bibendus | Blizz-Tenarsis I was forced to disable mouse clicks on the minimap because with the new patch the "world mouse click" event triggers on it |
| 00:55.52 | A1win | any idea what's the max amount of actors I could have at the same time? |
| 00:55.55 | Bibendus | http://pastebin.com/fZ1SDgf5 |
| 00:56.08 | Bibendus | how do I disable only the world mouse click on minimap event :O |
| 00:56.09 | Blizz-Tenarsis | okay bibendus |
| 00:56.11 | Blizz-Tenarsis | I got this |
| 00:56.14 | Bibendus | yee |
| 00:56.16 | Blizz-Tenarsis | your other question |
| 00:56.24 | Bibendus | the bar? |
| 00:56.25 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yea |
| 00:56.29 | Bibendus | yee |
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| 00:56.34 | Blizz-Tenarsis | add a Height and Width to HealthPetal |
| 00:56.36 | Blizz-Tenarsis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.41 | Blizz-Tenarsis | then the progress bar will show up |
| 00:56.55 | Blizz-Tenarsis | it wasn't rendering because the parent (HealthPetal) had no width and height |
| 00:57.05 | Bibendus | ahahah |
| 00:57.47 | Bibendus | still not showing |
| 00:57.47 | Bibendus | mm |
| 00:57.51 | MilkMan | does anyone here know if theres a way in the data editor to change the timing of a sound? i'm trying to make an axe sound happen when the swing hits but its timing is just wrong no matter what option i use on the actor |
| 00:57.58 | Blizz-Tenarsis | add the anchors to it also |
| 00:58.03 | Blizz-Tenarsis | from the TestImage |
| 00:58.04 | Blizz-Tenarsis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.08 | Bibendus | http://pastebin.com/L0ts7Z6U |
| 00:58.11 | Bibendus | oh anchor too |
| 00:58.24 | Blizz-Tenarsis | also, it will be very small |
| 00:58.30 | Blizz-Tenarsis | might want to increase width and height |
| 00:58.38 | Bibendus | yy |
| 00:59.13 | Bibendus | still now showing |
| 00:59.42 | Bibendus | oh |
| 00:59.44 | Bibendus | the progressbar |
| 00:59.45 | Bibendus | offset |
| 01:00.42 | Bibendus | mmm still not working |
| 01:01.59 | Blizz-Tenarsis | I'm testing on a barracks |
| 01:02.02 | Blizz-Tenarsis | http://pastebin.com/pkYCfwYE |
| 01:02.13 | Blizz-Tenarsis | shows up when barracks is training |
| 01:03.39 | Bibendus | with yours the health is not even showing |
| 01:03.39 | Bibendus | wut |
| 01:03.46 | Bibendus | the name is the same |
| 01:04.50 | Bibendus | ok |
| 01:04.52 | Bibendus | aaaaaaaaaa |
| 01:04.56 | Bibendus | maybe I got it.. |
| 01:05.05 | Bibendus | it's not the progress bar |
| 01:05.07 | Bibendus | but another bar |
| 01:05.11 | Bibendus | duration bar? |
| 01:05.14 | Bibendus | status bar? |
| 01:05.25 | Bibendus | what's the behavior duration bar? |
| 01:05.34 | A1win | mmh duration bar might be |
| 01:05.42 | A1win | progress bar is the cyan building progress bar thing |
| 01:05.55 | Blizz-Tenarsis | progress bar is for training, duration is for behaviors |
| 01:06.00 | Blizz-Tenarsis | basically |
| 01:06.01 | Bibendus | duration |
| 01:06.08 | Bibendus | changing |
| 01:06.21 | Bibendus | yeeeeeee |
| 01:06.22 | Bibendus | finally |
| 01:06.44 | Bibendus | where did the health bar go now |
| 01:06.45 | Bibendus | xD |
| 01:07.15 | A1win | you broke the xml and it's back to default? ;3 |
| 01:08.09 | Bibendus | lol |
| 01:08.18 | Bibendus | I copy pasted :| |
| 01:08.33 | Bibendus | ok |
| 01:08.35 | Bibendus | i did some copy paste |
| 01:08.37 | Bibendus | from my old |
| 01:08.41 | Bibendus | and the new one and both work now! |
| 01:09.02 | A1win | soo... time to make a map with the size of max integer size * max integer size 8) |
| 01:09.03 | Bibendus | Blizz-Tenarsis new question xD |
| 01:09.04 | Bibendus | I was forced to disable mouse clicks on the minimap because with the new patch the "world mouse click" event triggers on it |
| 01:09.26 | Bibendus | [03:05:07] <Bibendus> how do I disable only the world mouse click on minimap event :O |
| 01:09.28 | Bibendus | [03:04:54] <Bibendus> http://pastebin.com/fZ1SDgf5 |
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| 01:14.33 | Bibendus | oh whatever |
| 01:14.39 | Bibendus | i go to sleep |
| 01:14.45 | Bibendus | tx Blizz-Tenarsis I love you :* |
| 01:15.27 | Bibendus | night |
| 01:19.16 | Blizz-Tenarsis | ya sorry I have to do some work today :) |
| 01:31.04 | caz | mmh. |
| 01:31.25 | caz | if 2 triggers go off like that "minimap + world" click... i wonder which happens first |
| 01:35.14 | caz | MilkMan: u have some custom axe sound o.o ? |
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| 02:19.08 | A1win | whoops, somehow it slipped my mind that actors can't be moved like units :P |
| 02:19.36 | A1win | is there anyway to move an actor if it's not a unit actor? |
| 02:20.47 | A1win | oh set position |
| 02:21.06 | A1win | but I guess that doesn't go as smoothly as a unit would |
| 02:37.21 | ckSynergy | getting closer |
| 02:46.27 | Blizz-Tenarsis | willing to answer simple actor questions |
| 02:47.31 | A1win | Blizz-Tenarsis, can non-unit actors be smoothly moved like units can be? |
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| 02:49.38 | ckSynergy | uhhh I think theyre gone for the day |
| 02:50.16 | Blizz-Tenarsis | that's what you think - I'm working overtime ! |
| 02:50.31 | ckSynergy | No wai |
| 02:50.46 | ckSynergy | at the office or home? |
| 02:51.14 | Blizz-Tenarsis | A1win: your best bet may be to attach it to an invisible unit - according to our Actor guy we would have to add support for what you're requesting it seems |
| 02:51.20 | Blizz-Tenarsis | at work |
| 02:51.46 | ckSynergy | They dont kick you out after a certain time? |
| 02:51.53 | A1win | mm... so it'd be the same to just use the unit instead :P |
| 02:51.57 | A1win | for this purpose |
| 02:52.29 | A1win | which defeats the whole purpose :I |
| 02:52.42 | Blizz-Tenarsis | I could stay here all night... |
| 02:52.55 | A1win | oh well I can still do this in a 256x256 map and scale my stuff down |
| 02:52.57 | ckSynergy | Really? |
| 02:53.11 | ckSynergy | And your bosses dont get pissed at the overtime? |
| 02:53.20 | Blizz-Tenarsis | okay they would get upset about double time :P |
| 02:53.52 | ckSynergy | no doubt lol |
| 02:54.13 | ckSynergy | Man, all you have to say is theres a coffee lounge and im putting in my application lol |
| 02:54.28 | A1win | hmm I wonder how small I could scale these things and still have them properly visible... |
| 02:55.19 | Tolkfan | Is there really a dungeon beneath blizz HQ where all the titan mmo devs are locked up until they finish it? |
| 02:55.54 | Blizz-Tenarsis | A1win: if you could post a suggestion thread with what you're trying to accomplish I could make sure important people see it |
| 02:56.23 | A1win | I'm not really sure if it's that important :D I'm just trying to overcome some limits by faking things |
| 02:56.45 | A1win | I'm trying to make the environment move around the player instead of the player moving in the environment to have an infinitely large map |
| 02:57.09 | A1win | I did that with units as environment previously but it's too performance intensive with multiple players |
| 02:57.13 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Tolkfan: yes although they are actually on the top floor |
| 02:57.43 | A1win | so I was thinking of using actors instead... but since they can't be smoothly moved, it doesn't really work |
| 02:58.32 | A1win | but well I suppose someone might find a use for it anyway |
| 02:58.43 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yeah unfortunately its just something we've never had to support but it kind of surprises me because actually having unit actors interpolate is pretty core functionality |
| 02:59.02 | Blizz-Tenarsis | and being able to access that interpolation through triggers seems pretty important... |
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| 03:05.15 | ckSynergy | Blizz-Tenarsis, you wouldnt happen to know if All-Stars has a unit with a dynamic-cost ability, would you? |
| 03:06.27 | ckSynergy | I've been working myself sick for 4 days on this ability, and I need help |
| 03:06.52 | Blizz-Tenarsis | it would probably be controlled through CatalogFieldValueSet if it does |
| 03:07.25 | ckSynergy | >.> |
| 03:07.32 | ckSynergy | headdesks HARD |
| 03:07.34 | ckSynergy | ok then |
| 03:08.15 | Blizz-Tenarsis | it definitely controls ability damage through triggers like that |
| 03:08.44 | ckSynergy | why not use validators? |
| 03:10.19 | Blizz-Tenarsis | well validators would be okay if you have like 4 possible costs or something, but with all-stars you could have items etc all modifying a ton of different attributes and they want explicit control on how those modifiers interact without having to program it through data |
| 03:11.10 | ckSynergy | gotcha |
| 03:11.45 | Blizz-Tenarsis | you could argue that ideally it would all be possible and simple through data but that's just not always the case and it's a lot simpler for designers to just script it in triggers rather than have engineers build it into data |
| 03:12.46 | ckSynergy | I can agree with that |
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| 03:13.21 | ckSynergy | so are you an engineer or a designer? lol |
| 03:13.40 | Blizz-Tenarsis | engineer |
| 03:15.08 | ckSynergy | cool |
| 03:15.33 | ckSynergy | so, if you dont mind if asking, how does the function validator work? |
| 03:16.04 | ckSynergy | at its basic core |
| 03:16.17 | Blizz-Tenarsis | man I swear I already explained this once somewhere :) |
| 03:16.25 | ckSynergy | really? |
| 03:16.32 | Blizz-Tenarsis | very long time ago... |
| 03:16.50 | ckSynergy | goes to google |
| 03:17.31 | ckSynergy | ah ha |
| 03:17.32 | ckSynergy | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/player-zone/map-feedback/25116-editor-q-a/#p18 |
| 03:17.55 | ckSynergy | I wish people would update the wiki when they figure something out |
| 03:19.24 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yeah thats right, I think I sent ProzaicMuse an explanation :) |
| 03:19.43 | soulcarverr | Prozacs stuff needs to be stickied |
| 03:19.48 | A1win | bah I wish I could settle for making a map that isn't completely unique, now I'm stuck trying to come up with an idea that no one else has done yet :I and when I finally figure something out, it's so complex that it'd take more time than I'd want to spare |
| 03:20.08 | soulcarverr | think smaller |
| 03:21.20 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yep that little pseudo-code snippet for function validators, sent that to Prozaic about a year ago |
| 03:21.52 | ckSynergy | :D |
| 03:22.06 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDcRkC9cXss this is kind of interesting... but feels like it's missing something |
| 03:26.00 | Blizz-Tenarsis | A1win you might be able to do a lot of that with the physics system instead of triggers |
| 03:26.33 | Blizz-Tenarsis | 2.0 will have a lot of physics stuff and hopefully we can help you guys figure it out :P |
| 03:27.44 | A1win | yeah well... that's not really the problem, can't really think of an interesting enough gameplay overall |
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| 03:29.37 | Iiris_Frost | I wish I had HotS beta so I could try the new editor features |
| 03:29.54 | A1win | I'm not really a big fan of small games, needs some kind of a bigger picture to keep me interested... which makes making maps harder too :P |
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| 03:31.19 | Iiris_Frost | anyone know if any sites are doing HotS beta key giveaways? |
| 03:32.00 | Taintedwisp | Vailreth, Sorry I didnt manage to get anything done today, been busy, And at around 6:30 my ro jumpedup and told me he wanted to build a Computer desk so we ran to lowes lol. It looks terrible... and doesnt even work, his goal was a Desk that Spun around to go over the couch hahah |
| 03:32.30 | Vailreth | i see |
| 03:32.47 | Taintedwisp | ill get on it tomorrow |
| 03:32.47 | Vailreth | ive been terrining my map all day |
| 03:32.51 | Taintedwisp | Nice |
| 03:32.51 | Vailreth | ok |
| 03:32.53 | Taintedwisp | Cant wait to see it |
| 03:33.31 | Vailreth | there is a current version in the micro campaign folder if you want to look |
| 03:34.31 | Taintedwisp | kk |
| 03:35.11 | Taintedwisp | Is it supposed to be completely back |
| 03:35.18 | Taintedwisp | also it said Dependency could not be loaded |
| 03:35.33 | Vailreth | there is a mod it uses also in the folder |
| 03:36.11 | Vailreth | you will need to bring over the Lazerfish and Left2die mods into your mods folder |
| 03:36.53 | Vailreth | you may have to fix the dependencies for the map and the mod to use the local files on your machine |
| 03:36.57 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 03:37.29 | Iiris_Frost | sucks not having HotS beta. I so badly want to try the new editor |
| 03:37.45 | Vailreth | its still buggy |
| 03:38.00 | Taintedwisp | Yo Vailreth did you get the HoTS beta? |
| 03:38.00 | Vailreth | a few patches in and a new round of invites it may be better |
| 03:38.56 | Taintedwisp | yeah] |
| 03:39.25 | Taintedwisp | Unfortunately I haven't Received one, But theres always hope. :P |
| 03:39.44 | Taintedwisp | Absolute worst comes... I wait until HoTS :P |
| 03:39.48 | Taintedwisp | so not a bigggy haha |
| 03:39.52 | Iiris_Frost | I never get beta |
| 03:40.23 | Vailreth | no i didnt get in beta |
| 03:41.37 | Taintedwisp | Well there are 4 Things as I see it that can increase your chances, 1 get a good reputation within the SC2 Community, 2 Become a Game Caster, atleast 1500 veiwers a cast(and thats small), 3. Become a pro, and 4. Win a contest |
| 03:41.50 | Tolkfan | you don't need to be in the beta to download the client and run the editor |
| 03:41.56 | Tolkfan | <--- proof |
| 03:42.14 | Taintedwisp | I tried doing that Tolkfan, but it wouldnt let me run the Swarm Mod file |
| 03:42.19 | Taintedwisp | well it would |
| 03:42.28 | Taintedwisp | But I couldnt make a new make and have it as a dependency |
| 03:42.29 | Iiris_Frost | <<<<no beta |
| 03:42.38 | Taintedwisp | The beta is on the forums |
| 03:42.41 | Taintedwisp | The client anyways |
| 03:42.46 | Tolkfan | yup, it wont let you use the swarm assets |
| 03:42.47 | Taintedwisp | you cant log in though |
| 03:42.55 | Taintedwisp | Then its pointless tolkfan hahaa |
| 03:43.14 | Tolkfan | well i just wanted to see the new stuff, like the UI editor |
| 03:43.25 | Taintedwisp | Because I was told Many times, that besides a few things patch 1.5 released MOST of the stuff for HoTS and Blizzard All Stars |
| 03:43.34 | Taintedwisp | Just not any of the assets/Game Data |
| 03:43.57 | Taintedwisp | I did hear that the UI editor was released Accidentally |
| 03:44.10 | Taintedwisp | Tenarsis had said that was an accident lol |
| 03:44.24 | Taintedwisp | that they weren't planning to release that until later |
| 03:45.11 | Tolkfan | I hope "later" means "in the next beta patch", and not "in legacy of the void" :PPP |
| 03:45.33 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 03:45.49 | Taintedwisp | Tenarsis is one strange guy lol I like him, He talks about upcoming features lol |
| 03:46.26 | Taintedwisp | The other 2 ignore all questions about them, Which I COMPLETELY understand |
| 03:47.19 | Blizz-Tenarsis | I think you mean the other guy |
| 03:48.09 | Taintedwisp | possible haha |
| 03:48.33 | Taintedwisp | Yo Vailreth Dont worrie DROPBOX is going to say it saved haha, I had Auto Saving on |
| 03:48.36 | Taintedwisp | sory about that |
| 03:48.41 | Taintedwisp | nothign was changed:P |
| 03:49.06 | Vailreth | ok i just updated the raiders vs zerg map though.. |
| 03:49.11 | Blizz-Tenarsis | it was an accident but oh well we accidentally released something that is actually useful... just don't get mad at the parts that are broken :P |
| 03:49.46 | Taintedwisp | Damn Tenarsis you are at work late aye? :P, Well already told the others this before, Thanks for helping the community out , you guys are great and yeah Im sure it will DEFF be used haha no bitching from me |
| 03:49.57 | Taintedwisp | well I guess time differences |
| 03:50.02 | Taintedwisp | almost midnight here |
| 03:50.10 | Vailreth | no complains just bug reports from me |
| 03:50.16 | Taintedwisp | same :P |
| 03:50.33 | Iiris_Frost | I really wish I could get beta for some editor testing |
| 03:51.14 | Tolkfan | https://us.battle.net/account/management/sc2/dashboard-hots-beta.html |
| 03:51.20 | Tolkfan | there be the beta |
| 03:51.30 | Tolkfan | ... almost |
| 03:52.05 | Taintedwisp | You get everything but the dependency for Swarm |
| 03:52.09 | Iiris_Frost | problem is that my account doesn't have a key though |
| 03:52.20 | Taintedwisp | so you dont get a few assets :P |
| 03:52.33 | Vailreth | you can still use the beta editor but you cant access the hots info |
| 03:53.01 | Iiris_Frost | that page is taking me to the account management page. |
| 03:53.04 | Iiris_Frost | no download |
| 03:53.34 | Vailreth | then try giving it what its asking for? |
| 03:54.38 | Iiris_Frost | I login but don't have access to it |
| 03:55.43 | Tolkfan | http://dist.blizzard.com/downloads/sc2-beta-installers/build1-96937bdf/StarCraft-II-Beta-Setup-enUS.exe |
| 03:55.45 | Tolkfan | try that |
| 03:56.24 | ckSynergy | so the beta is open to the public? |
| 03:56.24 | A1win | hmm... what'd you think about a map where the players are the crew of a battlecruiser, each in a different role such as officers, fighter pilots, commanders etc., the map being the interior of the battlecruiser + a space view for pilots and people in charge of weapons etc |
| 03:56.53 | Iiris_Frost | but I won't even be able to auth access to the editor |
| 03:57.09 | Vailreth | very few people would play it and half would love it and half would gate it |
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| 03:57.37 | Tolkfan | I don't have beta acccess and can download and run the editor just fine |
| 03:57.43 | Iiris_Frost | upon first time running the editor and every so often you are required to login to show blizzard you have a valid account for it. |
| 03:57.53 | A1win | Vailreth, what's that based on? |
| 03:58.56 | Vailreth | its basically a SpaceShip Bridge Simulator and from what i understand its a very niche market that relys on good communication |
| 03:59.15 | A1win | mm could be |
| 03:59.40 | Vailreth | i dont think its a bad idea i just think it would have small market share in the total map market |
| 04:01.30 | Taintedwisp | I dont know Vailreth, If made right it could compete with maps like Cortex for RPG |
| 04:01.32 | ckSynergy | well now I havent had a crash like that for awhile |
| 04:01.47 | A1win | depends on how much communication actually matters |
| 04:01.48 | Taintedwisp | and thats a pretty decent size of people |
| 04:01.59 | A1win | like if the players were automatically given their tasks, it'd be a lot easier to coordinate |
| 04:01.59 | Taintedwisp | It would have to be Role play driven |
| 04:02.05 | Vailreth | true it could be a big hit |
| 04:02.20 | Taintedwisp | Its a win good, or Fail miserable |
| 04:02.21 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 04:02.25 | Vailreth | but the Fun for most people in a bridge sim is the comunication |
| 04:02.32 | Vailreth | at least some people |
| 04:02.40 | A1win | I haven't played any bridge simulators :P |
| 04:02.41 | Taintedwisp | Evolution Frenzy is a Win AMAZING, Win Good, Win, Fail a tad |
| 04:02.41 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 04:02.51 | Vailreth | research your market is all i say |
| 04:03.01 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
| 04:03.25 | Taintedwisp | THe real question is... Do you REALLY want THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE playing your map... we are talking the creepers of SC2 |
| 04:03.35 | Taintedwisp | I might actually make some Provisions in my map to keep them out of it hahaha |
| 04:04.04 | Taintedwisp | Heres my trigger, if you have played cortex over 50 times... you are banned from my map haha |
| 04:04.28 | Taintedwisp | Keeps those creepys away, because when a nerd gets to roleplaying it gets Weird REAL QUICK |
| 04:04.54 | Taintedwisp | It goes from Magic, To mage, TO naked Mages, To Naked Guy Mages... to Naked Goats, to Naked Male Goats |
| 04:05.13 | Vailreth | i am a roleplay nerd by the way... not super hard core but im not noob at it either |
| 04:05.18 | Taintedwisp | hahah |
| 04:05.36 | Taintedwisp | But you know what I am talking about how some people get... right? |
| 04:05.43 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Taintedwisp: thx |
| 04:05.46 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 04:05.49 | Taintedwisp | For what? |
| 04:06.02 | Taintedwisp | OHHH |
| 04:06.03 | Taintedwisp | Hahaha |
| 04:06.08 | Taintedwisp | I had forgotten lawl |
| 04:06.42 | Taintedwisp | Yeah though Its not all Roleplayers... its just those Creepy ones |
| 04:06.56 | Taintedwisp | I was on the Server Moon Gaurd in WoW trolling the other day.... |
| 04:06.58 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 04:07.17 | Taintedwisp | I was preaching the word of god... and was getting cussed at for /y bible Verses in Goldshire |
| 04:07.28 | Taintedwisp | but anyways they were roleplaying... about rapeing little kids.... |
| 04:07.33 | Taintedwisp | not even kidding |
| 04:07.39 | Taintedwisp | Thats why I broke out the bible |
| 04:07.43 | Taintedwisp | they needed some jesus |
| 04:08.02 | ckSynergy | hmmm |
| 04:08.19 | ckSynergy | what stage is a target ability in if its canceled? |
| 04:08.20 | A1win | how did we get from shaceship bridge simulator to this |
| 04:08.21 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 04:08.21 | A1win | D: |
| 04:08.29 | Taintedwisp | Very carefully? |
| 04:08.29 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 04:08.35 | ckSynergy | Generic - cancel doesnt seem to be it hmmm |
| 04:08.51 | Taintedwisp | But yeah back to the original thing, I dont think your Spaceship can work without it being a roleplay |
| 04:09.24 | Taintedwisp | Its a cool idea, but you could elaborate, so that say They could make aliens attack and such for their roleplay |
| 04:09.31 | Taintedwisp | a bit more of a guided roleplay then cortex |
| 04:09.46 | Taintedwisp | So you tell them they are in a spaceship, then you can give them options for their next move |
| 04:09.48 | A1win | well my idea was more like a constant battle on the ship |
| 04:10.08 | Taintedwisp | What kind of battle? |
| 04:10.11 | Taintedwisp | Thats the question |
| 04:10.18 | Vailreth | http://www.artemis.eochu.com/ |
| 04:10.20 | Taintedwisp | So like a Hero Map? |
| 04:11.06 | Taintedwisp | AHAHAH vailreth... NEW VERSION AVAILABLE!!! ONLY 40$!!!! |
| 04:11.07 | Taintedwisp | hahaha |
| 04:11.08 | A1win | spaceships outside, fighters flying to fight them, some players using the ship's weapons, some inside fighting invading enemies by commanding squads or such |
| 04:11.18 | A1win | some repairing damaged stuff and so on |
| 04:11.47 | Taintedwisp | Ill tell you the game to player Masters of Orion... GREAT GAME, really fun if you love economic games like that |
| 04:11.55 | Taintedwisp | Masters of Orion 3 |
| 04:12.05 | Taintedwisp | and Sins of a Solar empire |
| 04:12.14 | Taintedwisp | or on Starcraft 2, Final Frontier 3 |
| 04:12.38 | Taintedwisp | Hmm Okay I get it A1win, hmmm |
| 04:13.28 | Taintedwisp | Its not a bad idea... but it sounds very Chaotic, and keeping in mind that the majority of players are well.. dumb, I dont think they would grasp it, MY SUGGESTION to you, Would be to make a map for you, and not for someone else. |
| 04:13.39 | Taintedwisp | Make a map thats fun to you, if you can do that you have succeeded |
| 04:14.03 | A1win | well not everyone needs to be doing everything |
| 04:14.17 | A1win | like if someone's a squad leader, he could just get tasks to kill off invading enemies |
| 04:14.21 | Blizz-Tenarsis | make a tower defense it'll be very original |
| 04:14.30 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 04:14.34 | A1win | yeah :O |
| 04:15.09 | Taintedwisp | You have some Tough competition as far as Polish in TDS go though, TD Tycoon has some amazing Polish |
| 04:15.13 | Vailreth | i still think the person who can nail the reverse tower defense would do well |
| 04:15.14 | Taintedwisp | Without the polish it was a turd |
| 04:15.46 | Taintedwisp | Actually Vailreth that was made in Warcraft 3 |
| 04:15.47 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 04:16.05 | Taintedwisp | It was a map with 8 players 1 sender 7 others |
| 04:16.11 | Taintedwisp | I forget exactly how it worke |
| 04:16.16 | A1win | I was considering making a kind of a parody reverse TD once, players controlling some powerful units that just crush through endless lines of enemy towers in a sidescroller view |
| 04:16.17 | Taintedwisp | but I do remmeber that one of them sent the units |
| 04:16.47 | Taintedwisp | You know what I want to see.... Hhahaah, I would play it seriously... POOL on sc2 |
| 04:16.49 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 04:16.56 | A1win | :P |
| 04:16.59 | A1win | baneling pool |
| 04:19.10 | Taintedwisp | cant say it would be fun |
| 04:19.39 | Taintedwisp | cant say it WOUlDNT be fun hhaha |
| 04:19.50 | Taintedwisp | That NT makes the difference |
| 04:20.21 | Vailreth | Tainted if you get time check out my mod id love to get your feedback on the new Zerg hatch lair hive abilities |
| 04:20.57 | Taintedwisp | LAWL Vailreth... |
| 04:21.00 | Taintedwisp | If i get time... |
| 04:21.12 | Taintedwisp | ahahaha you dont know me too welll... 99% of the time I have nothing but time hahaa |
| 04:21.21 | Vailreth | heh |
| 04:21.34 | Taintedwisp | Alright so whats the mod supposed to do can you explain it to me? |
| 04:21.37 | Taintedwisp | Im loading the map right now |
| 04:21.45 | Taintedwisp | it appears to have loaded fine |
| 04:22.18 | A1win | I think I'll try expanding on the battlecruiser idea a bit, I'm thinking of a pretty quick map where the players either win fast or lose fast |
| 04:22.55 | Vailreth | you may have to add a hatch but the mod conatins all of the data i have acumulated over the years pretty much and is the basis of the custom campaign and has severl zergian super powers |
| 04:24.31 | Vailreth | just go rooting through it if you like hell the link gunners may still be fuctional |
| 04:24.36 | A1win | I could imagine at least fighter pilots, squad leaders, turret operators, and repair crew officers to be able to have interesting gameplay mechanics in that kind of a situation |
| 04:25.00 | Vailreth | i made marines that can link their weapons together like in Unreal Tournament |
| 04:25.21 | Vailreth | and i have Bomber ball... |
| 04:25.25 | Taintedwisp | Hmm |
| 04:25.57 | Taintedwisp | I'm still trying to think of a way to make that Firebat Tank in EF work hahaha |
| 04:26.11 | Taintedwisp | how to make him take all the damage dealt to other units while hes alive |
| 04:26.26 | Taintedwisp | A buff WOULD HAVE to be applyed to all the units around him... |
| 04:26.28 | A1win | oh yeah and medics! |
| 04:26.31 | Taintedwisp | and some how.... transfer.. |
| 04:27.31 | Vailreth | as far as i know you can not transfer damage but you can put an effect on the buff that when the unit takes damage its nulified and a damage effect is applied to the caster of the behavior |
| 04:28.54 | A1win | use triggers ;> |
| 04:29.06 | Vailreth | that is possible too |
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| 04:30.02 | Taintedwisp | The only thing that worked was the Structrual Mitosis |
| 04:30.28 | Taintedwisp | but I saw the Tooltips each sounded pretty cool |
| 04:31.03 | Vailreth | ah sorry germinate ambush and infest require targes on creep and the other one requires target friendly zerg structure |
| 04:31.29 | Vailreth | i will fix the tool tips to reflect this |
| 04:32.17 | Taintedwisp | WHOA WHOA WHOA uhh, vailreth..... hahahahahaahaha, could you make a unit in Evolution Frenzy for a Mercenary who could do that to any races units in a smaller area about 10-15 units large who sacrifices himself to do it? Or make it so that the units that come out are A Timed life unit with high health and damage? or somethingl like that? |
| 04:32.43 | Taintedwisp | but yeah Vailreth I liek you project, but Whats the concepts coming together to make? |
| 04:32.47 | Taintedwisp | whats the projects goal? |
| 04:33.09 | Taintedwisp | If its a Campaign do you have stuff written for it? |
| 04:33.59 | Vailreth | not yet |
| 04:34.15 | Taintedwisp | hmm alright so its in Planning Stages still correct? |
| 04:34.18 | Vailreth | i am always advocating a design doc but i have none of my own .. |
| 04:34.29 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 04:35.01 | Taintedwisp | Just create a story for your campaign thats the first goal, Whos the Protagonist, Whos the antagonist, which is the player or is he just watching the others? |
| 04:36.16 | Taintedwisp | And what we can do is when all the terrain and abilities are done, then possible get some people to record so lines of speech to have voice acting in it. since your using a mod |
| 04:36.26 | Vailreth | i am trying for a vs campaign over three maps where were on each map both players have three objectives and the story changes based on who takes which objective |
| 04:36.42 | Taintedwisp | hmm cool then |
| 04:37.08 | Taintedwisp | So you need to write 9 Different stories then ? i think if I did my math correctly |
| 04:37.15 | Taintedwisp | 3 parts for each campaign map right? |
| 04:37.33 | Taintedwisp | Wait what... |
| 04:37.34 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 04:37.45 | Vailreth | i am aiming for three for now ... a zerg win a terran win and a tie |
| 04:37.58 | Taintedwisp | Hm This offline or on battle.net? |
| 04:38.08 | Taintedwisp | wait... |
| 04:38.10 | Vailreth | on battlenet |
| 04:38.14 | Taintedwisp | hmm |
| 04:38.32 | Taintedwisp | nvm then, Danget battle.net.. haha, if we could just "Set next map" |
| 04:38.32 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 04:38.46 | Taintedwisp | Set next map would fix SOOO many issues |
| 04:38.55 | Taintedwisp | Terrain Size, Texure set swaps, |
| 04:39.05 | Taintedwisp | Would make sooo many amazing projects come |
| 04:39.55 | Vailreth | the first maps objectives are secure the cilivian town, capture the dominion outpost and then Infest/protect the Resevior feild or the atmosphereic stablizers |
| 04:39.58 | Taintedwisp | and if Tenarsis is still there, Im JUST GUESSING, that the answer is the same as earlier with the Texture Set Swap answer ahaha |
| 04:40.10 | Taintedwisp | iTs just cost too much too do, and its not needed for blizzard yet |
| 04:40.49 | A1win | they should make a mini campaign like that orc campaign in WC3 TFT and use it there |
| 04:41.26 | A1win | just so that we can have it then too O: |
| 04:42.01 | Taintedwisp | Honestly Vailreth, I dont know how Pro your Terraining is... but mine is well pushed to its limits with Evolution Frenzy, If your not an amazing terrainer, I would suggest finding a Terrainer, who can Polish it to make it amazing when you finish |
| 04:42.20 | Vailreth | yes i will be looking for one |
| 04:42.30 | Blizz-Tenarsis | its similar but more possible |
| 04:42.43 | Blizz-Tenarsis | more possible but the guys who need to work on it have even less time |
| 04:42.45 | Taintedwisp | Yeah it would override the need for 512 x512 maps |
| 04:43.02 | Taintedwisp | Yeah because it would be the network Infrastructure correct? |
| 04:43.29 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yeah it affects the bnet flow and it's just not something we have time to support just yet |
| 04:43.31 | Taintedwisp | Well its on my wishlist to have by LoTV :P |
| 04:43.41 | Blizz-Tenarsis | its on my wishlist... on a whiteboard... I promise |
| 04:43.48 | Taintedwisp | Nice |
| 04:44.18 | A1win | so time to start planning a 100 map campaign with alternate paths |
| 04:44.35 | Taintedwisp | haahaha |
| 04:44.45 | Taintedwisp | Well a1win you would still have the mapsize limit |
| 04:45.22 | Blizz-Tenarsis | we increased the limits pretty substantially... without much rejoicing in the community :P |
| 04:45.47 | Taintedwisp | uhhh I was rejoicing lol |
| 04:45.51 | A1win | it was just one of those "should have been like this in the first place" things :P |
| 04:46.43 | Taintedwisp | Though I would LOVE there to be an established mappers program where their minium is raised to like 500 MB or 1 GB, but that would require a review board, Say like the Makers of Squad TD, AoS, only the people with TOP Projects would get it. |
| 04:46.59 | A1win | so no one goes like "woah you inreased the map size, thank you!!", they just stopped feeling bad about it and complaining |
| 04:47.04 | A1win | *increased |
| 04:47.19 | A1win | err |
| 04:47.22 | A1win | *size limit |
| 04:47.39 | Taintedwisp | yeah and the mappers program I was talking about would only be a handful of people |
| 04:48.00 | Taintedwisp | I wouldnt Expect myself to qualify.. if I would qualify something would be wrong haha |
| 04:48.28 | Vailreth | i was thinking blizz could rent out extra space when the marketplace comes out |
| 04:48.42 | Taintedwisp | I still hate that marketplace.... |
| 04:48.46 | Taintedwisp | with a passion... |
| 04:48.59 | Blizz-Tenarsis | I'm against the idea of preferential treatment, would rather just have a system that works and doesn't limit people unless we actually run out of space |
| 04:49.09 | Taintedwisp | Yeah that would be nice too |
| 04:49.45 | Taintedwisp | Or something like, when their space is full, their maps are checked and if none are fake or duplicates they get more space |
| 04:50.07 | Taintedwisp | I still think that damned marketplace will be what rips this mapping community to peices |
| 04:50.27 | Vailreth | i agree there Tainted |
| 04:50.33 | Taintedwisp | This place is fun and the people are nice, but once money gets involved.... im done |
| 04:50.41 | Taintedwisp | MOney always hurts people. |
| 04:50.46 | Vailreth | yes |
| 04:50.50 | Taintedwisp | The richest man is also the loneliest man |
| 04:51.36 | Taintedwisp | Its funny my uncle is a multi-millionair, his children hate him, my father was poor lived on 8-10$ an hour all his life.. he was loved by everyone he was far richer then anyone with money could have ever been |
| 04:52.22 | Taintedwisp | of course never bundle myself in with the rest of society... i dont even watch tv.... just movies haha |
| 04:52.32 | Taintedwisp | we have no tv in this house lol |
| 04:52.49 | Taintedwisp | I have noticed the governement is no longer stealing my ideas though ahaha |
| 04:53.06 | Taintedwisp | I swear everytime I would have a good idea, it would be done in the next month or two... |
| 04:53.40 | A1win | maybe you just stopped having good ideas |
| 04:54.12 | Taintedwisp | hahaha, nope i am sitting beside a desk thats unfinished that Rotates around to play the desktop computer from the couch... |
| 04:54.14 | Taintedwisp | Best ideas ever |
| 04:55.04 | Taintedwisp | plus... it has a Cuve on it... |
| 04:55.07 | Taintedwisp | Cube |
| 04:55.29 | Taintedwisp | one sec |
| 04:57.05 | Taintedwisp | http://i48.tinypic.com/wkpshk.jpg |
| 04:57.14 | Taintedwisp | Tell me my ideas arent at the top of their game |
| 04:57.21 | A1win | :P |
| 04:57.28 | Taintedwisp | granted... its a bit too tall... |
| 04:57.29 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 04:57.36 | Taintedwisp | never said I mesured it first haha |
| 04:57.39 | Taintedwisp | 100$ later... |
| 04:57.44 | Vailreth | yeah.. |
| 04:58.16 | Taintedwisp | haha I know vailreth, its a masterpeice brings a tear to your eye |
| 04:58.22 | Taintedwisp | Never said I was a carpenter |
| 04:58.28 | Vailreth | heh |
| 04:58.37 | Taintedwisp | Also We screwed up on weight distribution |
| 04:59.20 | Taintedwisp | Comeon tenarisis you know you want one... imagine, playing your powerful desktop... from the couch... |
| 04:59.21 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 04:59.42 | Taintedwisp | sometimes a man has a dream... |
| 04:59.57 | Taintedwisp | and yes to any of you nay sayers... i live in a trailer.. haha |
| 05:00.04 | Taintedwisp | Behind chicken houses... |
| 05:00.05 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:00.46 | Taintedwisp | The Classic Redneck Stereotype lol |
| 05:00.57 | Taintedwisp | theres even a brokedown car in the yard... |
| 05:00.59 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:01.07 | Taintedwisp | and notice the mountain dew bottle |
| 05:01.34 | Taintedwisp | and on top of it all... my brother does dip... |
| 05:01.34 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:02.34 | Taintedwisp | Too bad i am more intelligent then 99.9% of the rest of North Carolina |
| 05:02.55 | Taintedwisp | and probably 90% of america... atleast |
| 05:04.20 | Taintedwisp | Alright Switching rooms |
| 05:10.16 | Blizz-Tenarsis | real men use projectors for their display |
| 05:12.01 | Vailreth | heh |
| 05:12.38 | Vailreth | no real men use dual projectors for their multi display |
| 05:12.49 | Blizz-Tenarsis | damn |
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| 05:13.02 | Blizz-Tenarsis | wish I had dual projectors :| |
| 05:13.04 | ckSynergy | wow youre still up? |
| 05:13.16 | ckSynergy | oh wait, I keep forgetting youre like 2 hours behind me lol |
| 05:13.32 | Blizz-Tenarsis | almost done here |
| 05:13.44 | Taintedwisp | Tensarsis you need... |
| 05:13.45 | Taintedwisp | http://i48.tinypic.com/wkpshk.jpg |
| 05:13.50 | Taintedwisp | Im telling you |
| 05:13.54 | Taintedwisp | play that desktop from the couch |
| 05:13.55 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 05:14.09 | Blizz-Tenarsis | my screen at home is 10 feet diagonal |
| 05:14.14 | Taintedwisp | so? |
| 05:14.15 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 05:14.26 | Blizz-Tenarsis | dunno I think its pretty impressive everytime I watch old movies on it |
| 05:14.30 | Taintedwisp | we can make it in all sizes haahhaha |
| 05:14.59 | Taintedwisp | I hate projectors lol |
| 05:15.01 | A1win | I don't want to sit on a couch when you tilt a 10 feet screen towards it |
| 05:15.22 | Taintedwisp | I like playing my games with the lights on |
| 05:15.25 | Taintedwisp | and the music BOOMING |
| 05:15.36 | Taintedwisp | 200$ speakers shake the house |
| 05:15.37 | Taintedwisp | lol |
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| 05:15.53 | Taintedwisp | thats my bros desktop though... |
| 05:15.54 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:16.05 | Taintedwisp | unfortunatly im stuck withthis turd of a laptop |
| 05:16.05 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 05:16.07 | hobbidude | lol tainted |
| 05:16.16 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 05:16.17 | hobbidude | why does it always seen you need a triggerer |
| 05:16.28 | Taintedwisp | this is a diff project |
| 05:16.38 | Taintedwisp | Its just hard to find dedicated people is all hobbidude |
| 05:16.44 | Taintedwisp | Luckily i have vailreth now, hes great |
| 05:16.53 | Taintedwisp | but hes data |
| 05:16.54 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 05:17.08 | Vailreth | i can do some triggering |
| 05:17.43 | Taintedwisp | more then an editor, I am a Manager I get shit completed haha, though I am also a Terrainer with Intermediant Data |
| 05:17.54 | Taintedwisp | Though I am not good at abstract terrain |
| 05:17.56 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:18.22 | A1win | mmh I wonder what size an actual battlecruiser would be on a 256x256 map |
| 05:18.26 | Taintedwisp | Wait vailreth you can do triggers? |
| 05:18.28 | Taintedwisp | haahahaha |
| 05:18.31 | A1win | if units were normal sized |
| 05:18.44 | A1win | I mean like marines |
| 05:18.59 | Taintedwisp | well actually nvm Vailreth, I dont want to pile more work on you |
| 05:19.02 | Taintedwisp | That would be dirty |
| 05:19.04 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:19.08 | Taintedwisp | and its mostly drone work |
| 05:19.17 | Taintedwisp | but a few new things will need to be placed |
| 05:19.34 | Taintedwisp | like boss life dialogs, Votes, and such |
| 05:19.43 | hobbidude | i would say about the entire size of the map |
| 05:19.46 | Taintedwisp | the array for the Evolution system needs to be fixed |
| 05:20.00 | hobbidude | 1800 x 240 feet |
| 05:20.05 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
| 05:20.08 | hobbidude | marines woud be approz 3 feet wide |
| 05:20.26 | Taintedwisp | They would be Tiny in comparison to the map A1win |
| 05:20.27 | Blizz-Tenarsis | I'm outta here... later guys |
| 05:20.34 | Vailreth | hater |
| 05:20.36 | Vailreth | kater |
| 05:20.37 | Taintedwisp | LAter, think about that desk couch |
| 05:20.37 | Taintedwisp | hahah |
| 05:20.38 | hobbidude | what |
| 05:20.39 | hobbidude | no |
| 05:20.39 | A1win | would they? |
| 05:20.43 | hobbidude | i have question |
| 05:20.43 | Taintedwisp | Its l8ter H8ter |
| 05:20.44 | Taintedwisp | hahaha |
| 05:20.46 | Vailreth | later ? |
| 05:20.51 | Blizz-Tenarsis | question? |
| 05:20.54 | hobbidude | yes |
| 05:20.59 | Vailreth | answer |
| 05:21.05 | hobbidude | anyways to createa a vertical ring |
| 05:21.05 | *** join/#sc2mapster Helral|mobile (~Helral@80.187.201.44) |
| 05:21.11 | Helral|mobile | meows |
| 05:21.13 | hobbidude | and/or changes the hieghts of air blockers |
| 05:21.21 | Taintedwisp | Stupid cat... shut up im trying to sleep |
| 05:21.22 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 05:21.49 | Taintedwisp | Vailreth you remember earlier when I said Creepy Role Players? |
| 05:21.54 | Blizz-Tenarsis | I think no fly zones block all heights |
| 05:21.55 | Taintedwisp | Points at helral |
| 05:21.55 | Vailreth | i need a better name for my Artililisk... |
| 05:22.04 | hobbidude | you think |
| 05:22.11 | Blizz-Tenarsis | pretty sure |
| 05:22.13 | hobbidude | thats sounds terriffic |
| 05:22.29 | hobbidude | pre 1.5 wasn't the model sphereical |
| 05:22.30 | Taintedwisp | Well alright tenarsis you have a good night |
| 05:22.32 | Helral|mobile | meows innocently |
| 05:22.41 | Blizz-Tenarsis | okay I'm going afk and will skim through whatever you guys say tomorrow morning :P |
| 05:22.47 | Taintedwisp | im bout to go watch some tv |
| 05:22.47 | hobbidude | kk |
| 05:22.58 | Vailreth | im about to go to bed |
| 05:22.59 | hobbidude | pets evil mr helral |
| 05:23.12 | Taintedwisp | yeah same here vailreth, but I watch tv before sleep haha |
| 05:23.15 | Helral|mobile | I'm bout to arrive at work (ETA 20 minutes) ;p |
| 05:23.25 | Taintedwisp | slaps helral |
| 05:23.29 | Helral|mobile | what? |
| 05:23.39 | Taintedwisp | I dunno, you needed slappin for something |
| 05:23.47 | hobbidude | helral hyberbeam |
| 05:23.49 | Taintedwisp | Think of something you did wrong and didnt get caught on |
| 05:23.51 | Taintedwisp | there you go |
| 05:23.51 | Taintedwisp | ... |
| 05:23.52 | Taintedwisp | haah |
| 05:23.56 | Helral|mobile | slaps Taintedwisp with a fish-skeleton |
| 05:24.02 | Helral|mobile | ;p |
| 05:24.04 | Taintedwisp | yeah I prob deserved that |
| 05:24.23 | Helral|mobile | you didn't deserve to get slapped with a trout, so I ate it first. |
| 05:24.24 | Taintedwisp | Helral ... you need this |
| 05:24.25 | Taintedwisp | http://i48.tinypic.com/wkpshk.jpg |
| 05:24.32 | A1win | errm if a marine is about the length of one tile when lying down, that'd be something like 2 meters... a 256 length map would then be 512 meters which is *less* than the length of a battlecruiser |
| 05:24.39 | Taintedwisp | imagine playing desktop computer from the couch |
| 05:24.39 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 05:24.59 | Helral|mobile | ... ? |
| 05:25.02 | Taintedwisp | a BC is 3 x 5 I would say |
| 05:25.08 | hobbidude | if he laying down way |
| 05:25.13 | Taintedwisp | its a Rotating Desk so it goes over the couch |
| 05:25.14 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 05:25.22 | hobbidude | if he staying up he like half a tile |
| 05:25.35 | A1win | I'm talking about actual size Taintedwisp |
| 05:25.38 | A1win | not the unit size |
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| 05:25.46 | Taintedwisp | actual size? |
| 05:25.49 | Taintedwisp | You know they are not real right? |
| 05:25.53 | A1win | :P |
| 05:25.57 | A1win | based on the lore |
| 05:26.01 | Taintedwisp | and no not tlaking about your mother boobs, those are real... |
| 05:26.04 | Taintedwisp | hhaha |
| 05:26.05 | hobbidude | whaaat!!! |
| 05:26.31 | Helral|mobile | slaps Taintedwisp with a fish-skeleton |
| 05:26.31 | A1win | the wiki says a Minotaur-class battlecruiser is 1,827 feet (560 meters) long and 240 feet (82.4 meters) wide |
| 05:26.34 | Taintedwisp | A marine based on teh lore is about 7 FT tall |
| 05:26.36 | hobbidude | i that when i was play sc2 i was actually control tan actual civilization on the edges of known space |
| 05:26.50 | A1win | hyperion is a behemoth class battlecruiser so dunno if that'd be even larger or smaller... |
| 05:27.00 | hobbidude | http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Battlecruiser |
| 05:27.03 | Taintedwisp | it would be larger... |
| 05:27.12 | Taintedwisp | but the people who figure this crap out... need a life... something abd |
| 05:27.21 | hobbidude | thatss Minotaur-class |
| 05:27.26 | Taintedwisp | theres a time when you say... okay guys this is "too geeky" |
| 05:27.29 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:27.31 | A1win | haha |
| 05:27.45 | Taintedwisp | Im not here to play some D&D if you know what I mean |
| 05:27.46 | A1win | I'm just trying to figure out if I could fit the entire interiors of a battlecruiser into the map :D |
| 05:27.56 | Helral|mobile | Taintedwisp: you're not? |
| 05:28.00 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:28.01 | Taintedwisp | nope |
| 05:28.02 | hobbidude | is hots increasing map size? |
| 05:28.06 | A1win | no |
| 05:28.09 | hobbidude | like area size? |
| 05:28.12 | hobbidude | ffs |
| 05:28.13 | Taintedwisp | Im no damn roleplayer, besides the occasional /me thing on here |
| 05:28.14 | Helral|mobile | Taintedwisp: so what are you doing in this channel then? |
| 05:28.22 | Taintedwisp | Pimpin out your mother? |
| 05:28.25 | Taintedwisp | as usual |
| 05:28.34 | A1win | but yeah I guess a 256 length BC would be more than plenty ;p |
| 05:28.41 | A1win | I wonder how people move inside a battlecruiser |
| 05:28.50 | A1win | would suck to walk half a km to get from the rear to the front |
| 05:28.52 | Taintedwisp | HELRALS MOTHER!!! A PICKLE FOR A NICKEL IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN |
| 05:28.57 | Taintedwisp | AHAHAH |
| 05:29.03 | Helral|mobile | Taintedwisp: sad.... pimping out corpses.... |
| 05:29.13 | Taintedwisp | well theres some screwed up people in here |
| 05:29.15 | Taintedwisp | what can I say |
| 05:29.21 | Helral|mobile | you're one of them. |
| 05:29.27 | Taintedwisp | hahaha |
| 05:29.29 | Taintedwisp | Not really |
| 05:29.39 | hobbidude | well lets say a marine in is big ass suit is 2 meter wide and the ship is 560 metres long |
| 05:29.45 | Helral|mobile | you're the one who's pimping out corpses.... |
| 05:29.47 | Taintedwisp | Im just your christian, who happens to be an asshole. lol |
| 05:29.50 | hobbidude | with scale of a marine being 1/2 tile wide |
| 05:30.03 | hobbidude | bc would be 280 tiles long |
| 05:30.13 | A1win | mmh I wonder what width that is on the wiki, the BC has three different widths... the back is very wide, middle is narrow and front is medium width |
| 05:30.29 | Helral|mobile | Taintedwisp: let those corpses be dead in peace... |
| 05:30.31 | A1win | judging by the picture that 82.4 meters would be the mid-width |
| 05:30.39 | hobbidude | well don;t look at me i didn't build that damn thing |
| 05:30.44 | Taintedwisp | yeah I think I realize why you should stop using your mama jokes after the age of 20 lawl... because a lot of peeps parents are dead... |
| 05:30.47 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:30.52 | Taintedwisp | Come to think of it anyways |
| 05:31.23 | Taintedwisp | The point is Helral... you love MEN |
| 05:31.25 | A1win | hobbidude, your calculations seem weird :P |
| 05:31.29 | Taintedwisp | Gay cat men thingys |
| 05:31.36 | Helral|mobile | ??? |
| 05:31.36 | Taintedwisp | Creeper |
| 05:31.39 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:31.44 | Helral|mobile | why would I love men? |
| 05:31.52 | Taintedwisp | Because your a gay cat correct? |
| 05:31.56 | Helral|mobile | nope |
| 05:32.01 | Helral|mobile | I like cat-girls.... |
| 05:32.02 | Taintedwisp | Oh... your jsut gay |
| 05:32.03 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:32.09 | A1win | marines aren't in 2 meter wide suits O_o |
| 05:32.25 | Taintedwisp | Marines are around 7-10ft tall |
| 05:32.25 | hobbidude | the suits are pretty big |
| 05:32.32 | Taintedwisp | Jsut comparing in the cinematics |
| 05:32.35 | Taintedwisp | Raynor to Tychus |
| 05:32.52 | hobbidude | kk |
| 05:32.54 | Taintedwisp | you figure the average human be 6ft |
| 05:32.54 | A1win | yeah... if they're 3m tall, no way they're 2m wide :P |
| 05:32.55 | hobbidude | 1.5 meters then |
| 05:33.19 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:33.29 | hobbidude | point is your map ain't big enough |
| 05:33.41 | hobbidude | MOARS map |
| 05:33.44 | A1win | well |
| 05:33.49 | A1win | unless I make the marines smaller :P |
| 05:34.00 | A1win | but well |
| 05:34.07 | A1win | it doesn't need to be entirely "realistic" |
| 05:34.26 | hobbidude | wtf is this game |
| 05:34.36 | A1win | are there even any blueprints of battlecruisers available o: |
| 05:34.43 | hobbidude | first mision - get around the ship |
| 05:34.45 | Helral|mobile | how to build a nearly real-sized battlecruiser. |
| 05:34.53 | hobbidude | mission two: find a bathroom |
| 05:35.02 | Taintedwisp | a1win. Before starting such a colossal project I would suggest you make sure.... MAKE DAMNED SURE, its what you want, because something like you are talking will take about 4-6 months just for the unpolished terrain |
| 05:35.09 | Helral|mobile | mission three: hide until the zerg attack is over. |
| 05:35.11 | A1win | haha |
| 05:35.28 | A1win | 4-6 months for unpolished terrain? O_o |
| 05:35.33 | Taintedwisp | Say what you will about my editing skills.. but I do finish projects |
| 05:35.41 | Taintedwisp | You are talking about making alll the rooms in a BC right? |
| 05:36.08 | A1win | might not make sense to have everything accessible for gameplay |
| 05:36.19 | Taintedwisp | on a 256 x 256 map, Yeah 4-6. and thats being possitive about it |
| 05:36.27 | Taintedwisp | Optemistic, Not possitive |
| 05:37.25 | Helral|mobile | cya my train has arrived. |
| 05:37.39 | Helral|mobile | off to work .... |
| 05:37.54 | Helral|mobile | meows |
| 05:38.01 | hobbidude | pet pet |
| 05:38.09 | hobbidude | oops |
| 05:38.13 | hobbidude | sorry bout the tail |
| 05:39.15 | hobbidude | tainted you say your good with data |
| 05:39.21 | hobbidude | do you know projectiles well? |
| 05:39.43 | A1win | and yeah I'm not planning on starting the map yet, I'm just figuring out how much work it'd be ;p |
| 05:40.01 | Taintedwisp | I never claimed to be good... |
| 05:40.02 | A1win | I don't really even know what the gameplay would be like yet |
| 05:40.03 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 05:40.07 | Taintedwisp | I said I was a data editor |
| 05:40.12 | Taintedwisp | Never said anything about good haha |
| 05:40.19 | Taintedwisp | I learn as I need to do something |
| 05:40.25 | A1win | no luck with google with finding a blueprint :[ |
| 05:40.30 | Taintedwisp | Projectiles? you mean liek Missiles? |
| 05:41.34 | Taintedwisp | Hey Soulcarverr hows it going, you take a look at the map? |
| 05:43.17 | A1win | sucks that every scifi has a battlecruiser :P image search is all over the place |
| 05:43.37 | hobbidude | i want to see a 3 spawn meleee map in the space/layout of a mothership |
| 05:43.42 | hobbidude | now theres a good idea |
| 05:44.01 | A1win | could be neat with the yellow texture set from hots |
| 05:44.12 | hobbidude | ya |
| 05:44.26 | A1win | except that |
| 05:44.31 | A1win | what happens when you build a mothership |
| 05:44.32 | hobbidude | funs hots is such a disappoint all except for the editor stuff |
| 05:45.18 | Taintedwisp | Well HoTS will be mostly about the Campaign |
| 05:46.21 | hobbidude | good, well i think there doing sich a bad job at mult i'd just rather have no change and stick to single player/editor |
| 05:49.17 | Taintedwisp | No the Arcade is amazing, but they did kinda hurt the starcraft tab lawl |
| 05:49.29 | Taintedwisp | The whole starcraft tab needs an overhaul |
| 05:49.37 | Taintedwisp | whoever had the job of Starcraft tab, screwed the pooch |
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| 05:51.10 | A1win | :P a crew of 8000 people in the BC... *maybe* not all of it should be accessible |
| 05:52.00 | A1win | Minotaurs are largely based on the Behemoth-class <- so hyperion is probably about the same size |
| 05:56.08 | A1win | The interior of Minotaur battlecruisers are known to feature personal quarters, a brig, a mess hall[18] and a bridge. |
| 05:56.11 | A1win | sounds small x_X |
| 05:58.45 | Repo | New announcement: Snipers Promod - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/snipers-promod/ |
| 05:59.35 | A1win | it is very thin though... |
| 06:04.31 | A1win | http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/20110802003901.png/sr=1 hah speaking of motherships |
| 06:06.45 | Taintedwisp | Well there I quit that stupid fucking DoDS clan |
| 06:06.50 | Taintedwisp | HAHAHHAAH |
| 06:06.53 | A1win | http://i.imgur.com/oVCzN.jpg oh yeah it has multiple floors :P |
| 06:06.57 | Taintedwisp | In THE BEST MANNER POSSIBLE |
| 06:07.01 | Taintedwisp | PISSING MULTIPLE PEOPLE OFF |
| 06:07.02 | Taintedwisp | AHAHAHAHAHA |
| 06:07.03 | A1win | so can't make most of it accessible anyway |
| 06:07.08 | A1win | :I |
| 06:07.08 | Taintedwisp | AHAHAHA |
| 06:07.38 | Iiris_Frost | cool, a mothership made out of legos |
| 06:07.41 | Taintedwisp | One of the clan leaders was banned from playing, because he told a gay guy to quit trying to shove his beliefs down players throat on the server.. |
| 06:09.30 | ckSynergy | 4 days of trying different effects, 2 hours of trying blizzards way, and 30 minutes to put it back to how I had it 6 hours ago |
| 06:09.38 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 06:09.57 | A1win | Iiris_Frost, that's minecraft |
| 06:10.07 | Iiris_Frost | looks like legos |
| 06:10.15 | Taintedwisp | Shit like that though, they guy had pretty much ran the clan for 3 years... and he is kicked out and perm banned from the server for telling a homosexual to quit shoving his crap down peoples thoats.... |
| 06:10.41 | Taintedwisp | thats the type of crap that pisses me off quicker then anything... |
| 06:11.12 | A1win | mmh I wonder where fighter hangars are located in a BC |
| 06:11.43 | Taintedwisp | When someone who is doing something to make a place more confortable gets removed... because it goes against a minority... |
| 06:13.39 | Taintedwisp | From now on, I refuse to join any clans... the stupidity with them... is sooo damn annoying |
| 06:14.46 | ckSynergy | amen |
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| 06:30.30 | Taintedwisp | sorry to rage, it just sucks when you put your heart and soul into making somthing one of the top clans of a server, most friendly, and 1 member who is homosexual, literally breaks it to pieces.... |
| 06:31.03 | Taintedwisp | because we have had 1 member who for whatever reason didnt like players calling each other |
| 06:31.29 | Taintedwisp | '"gay".... the 2nd in command is banned... for saying something for telling him to quit raging... |
| 06:31.53 | quacKZOVV3 | That's mah boy |
| 06:31.55 | quacKZOVV3 | We missed you. |
| 06:32.04 | quacKZOVV3 | Seriously, people who complain about calling stuff gay |
| 06:32.07 | quacKZOVV3 | it just means happy after all. |
| 06:32.22 | quacKZOVV3 | Calling homosexuals 'gay' might in fact be more offensive since it comes from an awkward stereotype. |
| 06:34.00 | Taintedwisp | no lalja... this was more of a gay guy getting pissed because 2 other players where picking at each other, calling each other gay... |
| 06:34.35 | Taintedwisp | and the gay guy was told to shut up, that it wasnt against rules, and pro-gay people had the 2nd in command banned... |
| 06:35.13 | Taintedwisp | so I quit, with a nice rage post, that WAS DEFFINATLY against gay people... |
| 06:35.14 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 06:35.32 | Taintedwisp | 4 years and the only person that I liked in the clan is banned for bullshit.. |
| 06:35.40 | Taintedwisp | I was 3rd in command hahaah |
| 06:36.05 | Taintedwisp | i wasnt real active in it... but they did him dirty |
| 06:36.31 | quacKZOVV3 | Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga |
| 06:36.35 | quacKZOVV3 | WHY THE POLICE HATES NIGGAS? |
| 06:36.35 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 06:36.39 | quacKZOVV3 | Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga |
| 06:36.43 | quacKZOVV3 | THEY HATES US CAUSE OUR DICKS IS BIGGA |
| 06:37.27 | Taintedwisp | You will learn its not hard to offend me.... Why hate the word Negro... it means black... african american just makes no damn sense haha, Its the people who put meaning behind words... and the dumbasses who get offended by them |
| 06:37.41 | Taintedwisp | You can call me hillbilly, Cracker, whatever... im not going to go screaming mad |
| 06:37.56 | Taintedwisp | I have better things to do then go out of my way and explain to others why they are idiots |
| 06:37.57 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 06:38.17 | Taintedwisp | I guess that comes from being in the southern states... |
| 06:38.30 | Taintedwisp | According to the media, Im just not "politically correct" ahaahaa |
| 06:38.41 | Taintedwisp | And Lalja... just KNOW!!!! |
| 06:39.38 | Taintedwisp | that black people act different depending on where they are from, I can respect a black man, but not a nigger... there is a BIG difference, a black man is my equal, a nigger is to a black man, as Trailer Trash is to a white man. They are not the same. But people bunch them together out of ignorance |
| 06:40.11 | Taintedwisp | a black man, works, takes care of his family, A nigger... OH BOY imagine every stereotype... |
| 06:40.17 | Taintedwisp | Thats where they come from.. |
| 06:40.34 | Taintedwisp | I live in a nigger town, and used to live around a lot of Black people, There is a huge difference |
| 06:40.55 | quacKZOVV3 | 'African American' is the silliest term ever |
| 06:41.01 | Taintedwisp | \\Sorry for the use of the word nigger, I mean no disrespect to black people. |
| 06:41.03 | quacKZOVV3 | Like, a white dude got banned from a university because he called himself African American |
| 06:41.07 | quacKZOVV3 | Because he was born in Mozambique |
| 06:41.11 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
| 06:41.11 | quacKZOVV3 | spent the majority of his life there |
| 06:41.13 | Taintedwisp | Its stupid |
| 06:41.14 | quacKZOVV3 | and went to study in the US., |
| 06:41.19 | quacKZOVV3 | So yes, he's an African American, holy shit |
| 06:41.26 | quacKZOVV3 | That's what it means. |
| 06:41.32 | Taintedwisp | Actually I met a real Nigerian, He was an AUTHENTIC african american, you knwo what he told me? |
| 06:41.39 | quacKZOVV3 | Until they start to call white people European Americans and indians 'americans' I don't buy this shit |
| 06:41.39 | Taintedwisp | Dont rope him in with those niggers.. |
| 06:41.49 | Taintedwisp | He said they dont deserve to be called african american, I was like DAMN |
| 06:41.54 | quacKZOVV3 | Indeed |
| 06:41.56 | quacKZOVV3 | that's the point |
| 06:42.01 | quacKZOVV3 | Obama is an _actual_ African American |
| 06:42.09 | quacKZOVV3 | As in, his father is actually _from Africa_ in recent times |
| 06:42.12 | quacKZOVV3 | rather than 500 years back |
| 06:42.26 | Taintedwisp | i love my fellow man, no mattter the color of his skin... but niggers.... just are soo damn annoying... |
| 06:42.33 | quacKZOVV3 | lol |
| 06:42.40 | quacKZOVV3 | That is such a contradiction |
| 06:42.41 | Taintedwisp | IN school when I moved to this town... 30 kids jumped a fence and faught in a ditch ... |
| 06:42.46 | Taintedwisp | you know what it was over? |
| 06:42.46 | quacKZOVV3 | I hate my fellow man, nno matter the colour of his skin. |
| 06:42.49 | Taintedwisp | take a guess |
| 06:43.07 | quacKZOVV3 | Taintedwisp, also, I fucked transpeople |
| 06:43.09 | quacKZOVV3 | ujelly? |
| 06:43.18 | Taintedwisp | i bet you cant guess why one kid nearly died... |
| 06:43.23 | Taintedwisp | Seriosuly take a guess |
| 06:43.51 | Taintedwisp | all because one said that they made cool-aid better... |
| 06:43.54 | Taintedwisp | NOT EVEN KIDDING |
| 06:43.56 | Taintedwisp | I SWEAR... |
| 06:44.07 | quacKZOVV3 | HE SWEARS |
| 06:44.11 | Taintedwisp | they fought over who made better coolaid... |
| 06:44.27 | Taintedwisp | And about your transgender.. I can HAPPILY SAY that I didnt... |
| 06:44.38 | quacKZOVV3 | Taintedwisp, http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110311163907/lyricwiki/images/b/bd/Kim_Petras_-_One_Piece_Of_Tape.jpg look at Kim Petras |
| 06:44.40 | Taintedwisp | But yeah dont hate people for beig black... hate them for how they act |
| 06:44.41 | quacKZOVV3 | Taintedwisp, maybe you did |
| 06:44.48 | quacKZOVV3 | Maybe you just don't know |
| 06:44.52 | quacKZOVV3 | medical science can be very convincing |
| 06:45.10 | Taintedwisp | you see had I, I would be in prision right now... |
| 06:45.21 | Taintedwisp | Because after I found out, I would have killed the abomination |
| 06:45.52 | Taintedwisp | if someone wanted to trick me like that, then as a man, and a christian I would have too kill it.. |
| 06:45.56 | quacKZOVV3 | MAybe you never found out eh. |
| 06:46.06 | quacKZOVV3 | to* |
| 06:47.04 | Taintedwisp | and dont be mistaken I dont hate gay people, I just think they are sinning terribly and should stop and ask for forgiveness, everyone sins... but they should never get marriage they shouldnt be allowed to further disgrace themselves in teh eyes of go |
| 06:47.08 | Taintedwisp | god* |
| 06:47.43 | Taintedwisp | dont care if their atheist, I will still pray for their salvation |
| 06:49.08 | quacKZOVV3 | Well thank you for not haiting me. |
| 06:49.16 | quacKZOVV3 | He not hatin' bro. |
| 06:50.11 | Taintedwisp | No, but I am ashamed of you, for choosing to live a life of sin, while true that you have stronger urges toward other men.... doesnt mean you can say no. |
| 06:50.59 | Taintedwisp | i'm not a preacher or someone who goes to church, I just believe in what the bible teaches |
| 06:58.28 | quacKZOVV3 | I'm a woman? |
| 06:58.36 | quacKZOVV3 | And I don't. |
| 06:59.40 | Taintedwisp | oh your a woman.. |
| 07:00.23 | quacKZOVV3 | you're* |
| 07:00.40 | quacKZOVV3 | I think the bible's a bunch of hokey. |
| 07:01.42 | Taintedwisp | yeah some say that... right up until civilization falls. Loss of morals in the # 1 Killer of Civilization. |
| 07:06.27 | Taintedwisp | Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, |
| 07:06.39 | Taintedwisp | Rom 1:27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. Rom 1:28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, Rom 1:29 being filled with all unrigh |
| 07:06.52 | Taintedwisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.03 | Taintedwisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.20 | Taintedwisp | Thats what I believe about gays if you really want to know... |
| 07:08.52 | quacKZOVV3 | Taintedwisp, what do you think about the part that says things about under what condition you can sell your daughter into slavery? |
| 07:10.11 | Taintedwisp | hate to tell you but I also believe, that while we are equal, that Women were put on this earth to serve man... |
| 07:11.40 | Taintedwisp | and it also says menservents... |
| 07:11.49 | Taintedwisp | it just says tehy are to be enslaved until death.. |
| 07:11.56 | Taintedwisp | it doesnt say slavery is a sin.... |
| 07:12.33 | Taintedwisp | nice fail try, but I dont just defend one part... its all or none, even the stuff I feel is wrong in this day. |
| 07:14.29 | quacKZOVV3 | Ah, okay |
| 07:14.53 | quacKZOVV3 | Well, I then think you're an idiot for living your life by an old dusty book that was written by a couople of madmen 2500 years ago, but to each their own. :') |
| 07:15.07 | quacKZOVV3 | By the way |
| 07:15.10 | quacKZOVV3 | do you ever eat pork? |
| 07:15.26 | quacKZOVV3 | Or you know, loan money with interest, or have it loaned to you? |
| 07:18.00 | Taintedwisp | Pork yes, No on the other 2... |
| 07:18.15 | Taintedwisp | Like I said Everyone sins, I never said I was perfect |
| 07:18.43 | Taintedwisp | sorry if you think your the best thing in the universe and wish to live a life of arrogance... and illogic |
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| 07:19.47 | Taintedwisp | How by the way the people running the largest Hydron Collider... came to a conclusion that something would have to be running everything for it to work sooo smoothly, also they found the city of Sodem it was smashed by meteors |
| 07:19.50 | Taintedwisp | haah |
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| 08:21.13 | soulcarverr | anybody here? |
| 08:21.24 | soulcarverr | is the gateway to upload maps to bnet down? |
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| 09:07.05 | zenxu | mornin |
| 09:08.06 | soulcarverr | anybody here? |
| 09:09.01 | Exaken | Morning! |
| 09:10.16 | ducky | good morning to you too :3 |
| 09:10.24 | zenxu | duckyyy |
| 09:10.32 | zenxu | I got mixed feelings again :D |
| 09:10.35 | soulcarverr | can anybody help me test something? |
| 09:10.37 | soulcarverr | on bnet? |
| 09:10.42 | ducky | on eu? |
| 09:10.48 | soulcarverr | usa |
| 09:10.58 | ducky | mixed feelings about what zenxu? :D |
| 09:11.07 | ducky | too bad I'm from EU :/ |
| 09:11.10 | zenxu | I wana map but I feel like it still wont be as good as I want xD |
| 09:11.20 | zenxu | cause I used like 50% of map space already :( |
| 09:11.22 | ducky | cuurse you split b-net region lock :/ |
| 09:12.32 | zenxu | all the amazing ideas will need to be left out :( |
| 09:13.05 | ducky | well I want to map too but I feel like I'm stuck with my current idea. So after playing that special forces yesterday I'm thinking of making a cool and silly and fast type of a kinda-rpg map :D |
| 09:13.25 | zenxu | I think thats not a bad idea at all |
| 09:13.38 | zenxu | since you gotta work with the limitations and the audience of bnet |
| 09:14.08 | zenxu | special forces are in a way fun to play even thou I hate them for what they are xD |
| 09:14.21 | zenxu | if there was just a bit more something |
| 09:14.25 | zenxu | I would like it |
| 09:14.37 | ducky | nothing really complex, just go through area and kill monsters. Not a-moving though. I guess it would be like your map in a sense of opponent lethality |
| 09:14.58 | zenxu | customizatin I would like |
| 09:15.04 | ducky | a set of challenges for you and your 3 friends to complete in 40~ minutes |
| 09:15.07 | zenxu | like new equipment |
| 09:15.09 | zenxu | is always fun |
| 09:15.20 | ducky | yes, unlocking things is fun ^^ |
| 09:16.28 | ducky | but I doubt i'll include it, since even if it'll hae items they'll be in a form of powerups, and you'll start every game clean |
| 09:16.37 | zenxu | aww |
| 09:16.46 | zenxu | then Im not too excited |
| 09:16.57 | ducky | want to recreate that good old feeling of old maps that were just pure fun for me |
| 09:17.12 | ducky | grinding items is not one of those things =D |
| 09:17.19 | zenxu | it can be |
| 09:17.23 | zenxu | if gameplay is fun too |
| 09:17.47 | ducky | but then it elliminates equality between players at the start of the game |
| 09:18.09 | zenxu | I guess thats true too |
| 09:18.23 | zenxu | ever played those mining flash games? |
| 09:18.31 | zenxu | I would really like to see something like that |
| 09:18.32 | ducky | and the point of map would be control of your units and teamwork to beat challenges. You can have a nice game without items :3 |
| 09:18.42 | ducky | I dunno |
| 09:18.47 | ducky | link me one and i'll see |
| 09:18.57 | zenxu | mm dont remember name :D |
| 09:19.05 | ducky | :l |
| 09:19.10 | zenxu | but basically you just mine stuff to buy better drills and so on ^^ |
| 09:19.14 | zenxu | somehow mining is just fun |
| 09:19.38 | ducky | there is something magical about it |
| 09:19.40 | zenxu | and you need to watch your temperature |
| 09:19.48 | zenxu | and pressure |
| 09:20.18 | zenxu | maybe not completely like that thou |
| 09:20.21 | zenxu | but something with mining |
| 09:20.25 | ducky | unit managements, resource acquisition and upgrades. these things are quite cool :D |
| 09:21.43 | ducky | I just hope that editor won't break my hopes by once again reminding me of how small max map size is |
| 09:21.57 | ducky | but even if it does, I guess it's a good excuse to try scaling =D |
| 09:35.24 | zenxu | yea I wonder how that would go |
| 09:35.32 | zenxu | clif size will still be same thou :;/ |
| 09:36.00 | ducky | I don't need to use cliffs at all |
| 09:36.29 | ducky | It's gonna be arcady style. height tools and doodads will be sufficent |
| 09:36.45 | ducky | and playable areas will be divided by levels |
| 09:37.13 | ducky | I still hope I won't need to do it though... but we'll see |
| 09:38.45 | zenxu | I almost wish I would have scaled my things down too |
| 09:38.55 | zenxu | too much work :( |
| 09:39.05 | zenxu | but I guess it will do the trick |
| 09:40.36 | ducky | yes, the max size limitations are so frustrating when working on rpg-like maps :l |
| 09:41.14 | ducky | I just get the feel that both wc3 and sc1 had so much more available space |
| 09:41.37 | ducky | probably things were simply more compact |
| 09:54.44 | zenxu | yea... |
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| 11:29.00 | Kueken1 | Hello, my dearest mapping friends |
| 11:29.23 | Kueken1 | and to everyone else :> |
| 11:33.05 | Skizot | go away. lol |
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| 12:40.29 | Almaity | Just got another one of the really weird capthas... "blüe, oplpon" |
| 12:40.59 | Almaity | Oh, and Mornin' |
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| 13:04.37 | Bommes | hello |
| 13:04.45 | Almaity | Monrning |
| 13:09.59 | Ahli | do u use the rwth's internet? |
| 13:12.15 | Bommes | its not the direct rwth internet |
| 13:12.26 | Bommes | its the one that goes to the computing centre |
| 13:12.32 | Bommes | http://www.koenigsnet.rwth-aachen.de/local/index.php |
| 13:13.23 | Bommes | its pretty fast :D |
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| 13:30.11 | zenxu | daaaamn |
| 13:30.17 | zenxu | I wouldnt have imagined it |
| 13:30.33 | zenxu | but I still get excisted for playing for playing poker |
| 13:31.02 | zenxu | such a good feeling when you make right decisions |
| 13:33.31 | Bommes | Is there an "easy" way to import particles into SC2 by now? Or still only possible with workarounds? |
| 13:35.38 | Almaity | Dunno |
| 13:41.59 | Kueken1 | Bommes: from what i was told, importing particles into SC2 works with the current version of the exporter |
| 13:42.20 | Kueken1 | just importing from SC2 to Max loses the particles |
| 13:42.33 | Kueken1 | if you add them again, you are good. |
| 13:42.56 | Kueken1 | at least zolden modified some models for me, and their particles work just fine |
| 13:47.23 | Bommes | Kueken1: Hmm, but changing existing particles (for example color, how long they appear etc.) doesn't work that way, right? |
| 13:47.50 | Kueken1 | no idea, I am no modeler |
| 13:48.12 | Bommes | me neither :/ hm |
| 13:48.33 | Bommes | I think I'll just try to lure one of them into my trap and never let him go |
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| 14:54.15 | Blizz-Tenarsis | good morning gentlemen |
| 14:55.16 | Almaity | Good Morning |
| 14:55.31 | Almaity | just finished my 99 attack for the map... 1 more to 100... |
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| 15:00.17 | Blizz-Artestru | Morning |
| 15:04.36 | Kueken1 | Blizz-Tenarsis: And what about the ladies? :( |
| 15:04.56 | Blizz-Tenarsis | good morning ladies |
| 15:09.25 | Almaity | Morning Artestru as well :) |
| 15:09.36 | Almaity | and I highly doubt there are any ladies here :/ |
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| 15:10.15 | Exaken | Hey Blizz-Tenarsis, what part of the editor do you specialize in? |
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| 15:11.29 | Almaity | Everything, Exaken |
| 15:11.32 | Almaity | asked him yesterday :p |
| 15:11.57 | Kueken1 | Almaity: Occasionally, some show up :) |
| 15:12.10 | Kueken1 | Demonette was here a couple of times |
| 15:12.19 | Exaken | oh, must've missed that |
| 15:12.25 | TheSkunk__ | "Blizz-Tenarsis: Data Editor / Actor systems / Game systems / Text Editor / UI Editor / UI systems / Editor bug fixer" |
| 15:12.26 | Almaity | well, I havent seen her, and she doesnt seem to be here now :p |
| 15:12.27 | Kueken1 | also still about half the community thinks Eiviyn is female :D |
| 15:12.30 | TheSkunk__ | Tis what he said yesterday |
| 15:12.46 | TheSkunk__ | "Blizz-Tenarsis: also working on Battle.net at the moment :) also have worked on Terrain Editor, Trigger Editor, and many optimizations across the project" |
| 15:12.56 | TheSkunk__ | " Blizz-Artestru: Tenarsis does it all." |
| 15:13.08 | TheSkunk__ | There :D now you know everything we know |
| 15:13.28 | Ahli | is anyone able to let a death model actor sink into the ground over time? |
| 15:13.29 | Kueken1 | so Tenarsis is the mastermind? |
| 15:13.41 | Kueken1 | or more of a jack-of-all-trades? |
| 15:14.00 | Almaity | yay! Finally finished my 100th attack for my pokemon map! I can rest in peace now! |
| 15:14.01 | Kueken1 | ahli: attach it to a supply depot, then lower it :D |
| 15:14.07 | Almaity | No, wait, I can't, still got a shitton more to go >.> |
| 15:15.37 | Ahli | kueken1, can I just attach the actor of a dead unit to something? 0_o |
| 15:15.56 | Kueken1 | why not? you can use a custom death actor |
| 15:16.14 | Kueken1 | you can specify it in the unit actor |
| 15:16.22 | Ahli | I'm already doing that |
| 15:17.36 | Ahli | maybe the host reference removal is my problem why nothing happens |
| 15:19.22 | A1win | could be cool if we could reference server date and time, could do neat things like off-line timers using banks D: |
| 15:23.39 | Exaken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBOOJvXDjX0 =P |
| 15:26.00 | Almaity | lol |
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| 15:39.01 | Ahli | the index in the actor message "attach" does not change the index in the message... |
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| 15:57.03 | Lajjla | Ahli, sweetry |
| 15:57.08 | Lajjla | let's talk about taintedwisp |
| 16:00.32 | Helral | what did he do now? ;p |
| 16:00.45 | Helral | meows |
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| 16:01.32 | Lajjla | Oh, fun's over |
| 16:01.41 | Lajjla | Taintedwisp, hai, we totally weren't talking about you behind your back. |
| 16:01.47 | Lajjla | Especially not Helral, never would Helral. |
| 16:01.50 | Helral | thought it just started. |
| 16:01.53 | Taintedwisp | Meh, dont care. |
| 16:01.59 | Helral | I never talk about anyone behind their backs. |
| 16:02.07 | Helral | btw Taintedwisp... I heard that ......... |
| 16:02.10 | Taintedwisp | If I cared what a cat and a homo said well... that would bring me down to their level haha |
| 16:02.27 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 16:02.45 | Taintedwisp | lol what you hear helral? |
| 16:02.45 | Helral | as I said not behind your back.... I'll just talk about you in front of you :) |
| 16:02.57 | Helral | well that you're a cat-hating homo orso.... |
| 16:03.07 | Lajjla | Helral, you're a cat? |
| 16:03.13 | Taintedwisp | haahah |
| 16:03.16 | Helral | meows innocently |
| 16:03.18 | Lajjla | Wow, you posses quite the English lexicon for a cat. |
| 16:03.22 | Taintedwisp | Noooo... take out the cat part... |
| 16:03.24 | Helral | ~Helral |
| 16:03.24 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, helral is an evil ethereal random kitten who must not be let near laser pens. |
| 16:03.29 | Blizz-Tenarsis | forgot to mention my other specialty, making terrible programmer art and then having it released as final art |
| 16:03.30 | Lajjla | I must study you scientifically, perhaps we can replicate this behaviour in other cats. |
| 16:03.33 | Taintedwisp | and I dont hate homos, I just pray for them and hope for the best |
| 16:03.34 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 16:03.52 | Helral | Lajjla: hmmm depends do you look like a cat-girl? |
| 16:03.57 | Lajjla | You pray I can have many more gay adventures? |
| 16:04.00 | Lajjla | Helral, hell no. |
| 16:04.04 | Lajjla | I do have like |
| 16:04.07 | Helral | then you do not get to examine me. |
| 16:04.08 | Ahli | Blizz-Tenarsis, the index in the actor message "attach" does not change the index in the message... |
| 16:04.10 | Helral | ;p |
| 16:04.10 | Lajjla | 6 pairs of those ear things. |
| 16:04.13 | Lajjla | Lying around here. |
| 16:04.23 | Lajjla | No idea where I got them from. |
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| 16:04.37 | Helral | LoL match starting ;p |
| 16:05.00 | Lajjla | LoL is shit. |
| 16:05.01 | Lajjla | gtfo |
| 16:05.10 | Taintedwisp | no I pray for your salvation..., And its funny, I keep trying to let it go so not to offend you any further, but you constantly bring it back up and want to talk like i'm just a bigot...sooo fine by me... |
| 16:05.43 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Ahli can you explain in more detail |
| 16:06.21 | Taintedwisp | Now, Due to a promise I made with Deletarius, Lets quit talking about the subject. please, Because you will find I will no longer respond |
| 16:07.49 | Blizz-Tenarsis | if you mean the index for Attach Methods, it looks like the value only updates when you change the attach key and not the index, so that's definitely a bug but kind of minor |
| 16:08.26 | Ahli | trigger module -> actor -> actor events -> new actor message -> message type "Attach" -> Attach Methods in that message -> set to Direct -> set to Target -> raise index with buttons -> left side stays the same where the message is -> close, reopen -> wrong index number |
| 16:08.51 | Blizz-Tenarsis | okay I'm going to commit a fix for it right now, enjoy :P |
| 16:08.54 | Ahli | writing the number works, so the increment/decrement buttons do not update the used value |
| 16:12.29 | Blizz-Tenarsis | bug fixed |
| 16:15.02 | Ahli | are there any news on my data table problem, yet? |
| 16:15.35 | ckSynergy | Ahli: Whats your data table problem? |
| 16:16.57 | Ahli | http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5299360299?page=1#0 overflows |
| 16:18.34 | ckSynergy | ah |
| 16:18.40 | Blizz-Tenarsis | that error has nothing to do with data tables :P |
| 16:19.08 | Ahli | alright, why is it occuring? |
| 16:19.15 | ckSynergy | Well thats misleading considering it says data table overflow :P |
| 16:19.50 | Blizz-Tenarsis | nah it says Galaxy data table which is much different :) |
| 16:20.10 | ckSynergy | ohhhh, sneaky sneaky ;) |
| 16:20.34 | Blizz-Tenarsis | you are hitting the limit of 32k galaxy ref-counted objects |
| 16:20.41 | Blizz-Tenarsis | I believe |
| 16:21.10 | Ahli | it's occuring while I am removing units... |
| 16:21.18 | Blizz-Tenarsis | I can ask our Galaxy dude but basically, stop making so many galaxy objects (ie points, texts, any complex type basically) |
| 16:21.20 | Ahli | I remove and store their data into the data table |
| 16:24.42 | Blizz-Tenarsis | let's say you have a for loop that creates an array of more than 32,768 text objects - you would hit this error |
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| 16:30.08 | Ahli | hmmm, what's the reaction time of your garbage collector? |
| 16:30.22 | Almaity | love it when my IRC freezes >.> |
| 16:31.42 | Blizz-Tenarsis | they're ref counted |
| 16:32.18 | Blizz-Tenarsis | as soon as ref count reaches 0 it'll be freed for reuse |
| 16:33.49 | Ahli | is content in the data table counted towards that limit? |
| 16:33.56 | Ahli | *to |
| 16:34.06 | Ahli | which preposition do I need to use? |
| 16:35.02 | Blizz-Tenarsis | first was correct? |
| 16:35.41 | A1win | Almaity, use a better client D: |
| 16:35.57 | Almaity | using the freenode one (In browser) |
| 16:36.07 | Blizz-Tenarsis | content in data table will count towards that limit as anything in a data table will have its ref count incremented |
| 16:36.14 | Almaity | what others are there? Dont have trillian installed here |
| 16:36.22 | A1win | mirc is always a good choice |
| 16:36.28 | Ahli | so every key in the data table is counted? |
| 16:36.30 | Almaity | url? |
| 16:36.34 | A1win | www.mirc.com |
| 16:37.34 | Blizz-Tenarsis | any complex types in a data table |
| 16:37.37 | A1win | if you don't register it, it just starts asking for you to register after the trial period but there is no other downside to it |
| 16:38.08 | Blizz-Tenarsis | storing integers etc, they aren't ref counted |
| 16:38.27 | A1win | if you have eaccess to a unix shell, I'd recommend irssi but it takes a bit more time to learn o: |
| 16:38.37 | Ahli | so, the key is NOT contained in that limit? |
| 16:38.50 | Ahli | reducing the keys used didn't help. I reduced the entry limit from 1.100k to 250k, no change... that's why it shouldn't |
| 16:39.08 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yeah keys aren't, just the values |
| 16:39.43 | Helral | keys are most likely just hashcoded and stored. |
| 16:39.43 | Ahli | so, if I save the x and y coordinate seperate instead of saving a point I might be fine again... |
| 16:39.59 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yes good idea |
| 16:40.58 | Ahli | That's my 14th dungeon area I want to store. 13 were saved fine. adding a 14th broke it :S |
| 16:41.18 | Ahli | thanks, I will try that now :) |
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| 16:41.45 | Ahli | I can reduce that more, if I save an integer as a key for my unit type instead of the unit type as text |
| 16:41.50 | Almaity | yay, got it to work |
| 16:42.17 | Exaken | get a proper client:P |
| 16:42.33 | TheAlmaity | trying out mirc atm |
| 16:42.44 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yeah the 32k limit seems pretty low to me but its because 16-bit indexing, I wonder how much work it would be to increase the limit |
| 16:42.45 | Ahli | but that would mean that I need to add a function with every unitID spawning in my map... that's 150-200 atm |
| 16:44.14 | A1win | hmm... maybe I should just make the dungeon generator I was planning as an asset rather than a map |
| 16:46.18 | TheAlmaity | hmmm... no way to assign random colors to people like on freenode in mIRC? |
| 16:49.51 | ckSynergy | Tenarsis, can i request a favor? In the trigger module, the "Show/Hide Dialog" function, it defaults to "Hide". Can this be changed to default to "Show"? The reason being, dialogs always start off hidden, so its annoying every time to add to add the show function and then have to change the parameter because of its default. |
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| 17:00.53 | Ahli | sooo, let's see if it works... |
| 17:03.12 | Ahli | yay. thanks Blizz-Tenarsis. I updated my forum posts with the solution and an explanation what's happening. |
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| 17:05.02 | Ahli | Kueken1, I can't get the attachment to work. :S I start to think about spawning a dummy unit for that :X |
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| 17:12.39 | A1win | been thinking a bit more about the battlecruiser idea... seems a bit risky compared to the time it'd take to create |
| 17:12.49 | A1win | *a bit too risky |
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| 17:26.54 | Blizz-Tenarsis | ckSynergy: its done baby |
| 17:27.07 | TheAlmaity | you deserve a high 5 :p |
| 17:27.19 | TheAlmaity | Blizz-Artestru: High 5 tenarsis for me |
| 17:27.31 | TheAlmaity | or buy me a plane ticket. Either works. |
| 17:27.39 | Ahli | oh, great change :D |
| 17:27.54 | A1win | hehe, it was bothering me too |
| 17:28.22 | TheAlmaity | Btw, Tenarsis, you guys done anything yet to prevent the editor from locking up for ~5 seconds after selecting the "Create" message in actor events for the first time after opening Event+ each time? |
| 17:28.50 | A1win | hmm... suddenly my map is on page 3 again O.o weird bursts of people playing it |
| 17:38.15 | ckSynergy | SWEET! |
| 17:38.24 | ckSynergy | <3 Blizz-Tenarsis |
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| 18:28.11 | Blizz-Tenarsis | TheAlmaity: it's not an easy fix so not yet but feel free to create a thread on the forums and discuss the issue so that we can see how much its affecting people and prioritize it correctly |
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| 18:32.01 | Vailreth | Powdered Toast Maan! |
| 18:34.14 | Ahli | hmmm, EA tried to buy valve. |
| 18:36.18 | Vailreth | wha? |
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| 18:36.19 | Blizz-Tenarsis | btw Ahli our galaxy guy said you could probably cut your load times by a significant amount by reducing some n^4 operation to 2*n^2 |
| 18:37.47 | Blizz-Tenarsis | haven't looked at the triggers myself to have any idea of what I'm talking about though |
| 18:38.00 | Ahli | does he have an example which systems of my dungeon generation is effected by that? |
| 18:38.35 | ckSynergy | lol wut? |
| 18:38.40 | ckSynergy | seriously? |
| 18:38.50 | ckSynergy | EA? tried to buy Valve? Isnt that backwards> |
| 18:38.51 | TheAlmaity | btw, what exactly IS causing the lag when selecting the create messageß Just curious |
| 18:39.19 | Ahli | http://www.rantgaming.com/2012/09/10/new-york-times-electronic-arts-sought-to-buy-valve-for-at-least-1-billion/ |
| 18:39.45 | Blizz-Tenarsis | TheAlmaity: basically just building a dropdown menu with 4000+ items in it |
| 18:40.03 | TheAlmaity | oh, so that's causing the lag >.> |
| 18:40.04 | TheAlmaity | :( |
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| 18:41.00 | ckSynergy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.04 | ckSynergy | Valve did good |
| 18:41.08 | Bommes | Thank god Valve isn't stupid :) |
| 18:41.15 | ckSynergy | amen |
| 18:41.28 | TheAlmaity | damn EA... |
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| 18:42.07 | Bommes | "Gabe Newell, one of Valve’s founders, has stated that it was more likely that the company would disintegrate rather than be sold." |
| 18:42.08 | Bommes | :D |
| 18:42.22 | ckSynergy | EA is like a parasite. It infests you, takes over everything and corrupts it, then finally throws away the remaining empty husk (for a tax write off) |
| 18:43.20 | ckSynergy | The ONLY good thing to ever come out of EA was Sim City CLASSIC |
| 18:44.10 | TheAlmaity | Blizz-Tenarsis: Would it be difficult to create 2 seperate Create messages (At least only in GUI), one ordinary message just called Create that doesn't have the actor list dropdown, and a seperate one called "Create Other Actor" or something like that that includes the drop down (Dunno whether its possible to keep thsoe two the same on the xml level but just make them "different" in the |
| 18:44.10 | TheAlmaity | UI) |
| 18:44.49 | ckSynergy | Create and Create (Actor)? |
| 18:44.54 | ckSynergy | Hmmm, I kinda like that idea |
| 18:44.58 | TheAlmaity | yea, something along those lines |
| 18:45.11 | TheAlmaity | because using "Create" to create a different actor is very, very, very rarely used |
| 18:45.58 | ckSynergy | I wouldnt put it like that |
| 18:46.05 | ckSynergy | Its not quite THAT rare |
| 18:46.14 | TheAlmaity | compared to just creating the own actor, it is |
| 18:46.22 | ckSynergy | its just using "Create" with no parameters is MUCH more command |
| 18:46.24 | ckSynergy | *common |
| 18:46.26 | TheAlmaity | pretty much all actors require a create message for themselves |
| 18:46.30 | Bommes | I wouldn't say "very, very, very" :D but the idea is neat |
| 18:46.38 | TheAlmaity | and not many use it to create another actors |
| 18:46.47 | TheAlmaity | actor* dunno how the s got there |
| 18:46.58 | ckSynergy | its typo day |
| 18:47.26 | Bommes | On another note, would it be possible to make the search inside lists (for example in actor events if you type in "create") with a slight delay like it is for searching other data values since 1.5? |
| 18:47.56 | Bommes | so it doesn't lock up after you type in "cr" because it finds create and then searches for "e" because it takes too long to load the create event |
| 18:48.24 | Bommes | I mean once you get used to it its no big deal because you just search for "cr" in the first place, but getting used to it is annoying :D |
| 18:48.34 | ckSynergy | anyone familiar with text actors? |
| 18:48.50 | TheAlmaity | not really... Used em like once 2 years ago |
| 18:49.11 | ckSynergy | fun |
| 18:49.23 | Blizz-Tenarsis | TheAlmaity: would be much easier to just fix the UI at this point |
| 18:50.11 | TheAlmaity | So... making two seperate Create entries in the message list is too hard? :( |
| 18:50.16 | TheAlmaity | oh well, worth a shot :p |
| 18:50.21 | ckSynergy | RefSetFromMsg ::Host ::Sender - I think this is the event causing my text actor to appear over the target, then switch over to the caster and float up from the caster |
| 18:50.29 | Blizz-Tenarsis | it's not hard it's about compatibility |
| 18:51.03 | TheAlmaity | that's why I suggested it being a UI only difference, one just doesnt load the dropdown, but its still the same message in xml. But I guess that might be hard to do? |
| 18:51.08 | Blizz-Tenarsis | anyway please make a thread if it's a big deal cause that way I can justify spending time on it sooner rather than later |
| 18:51.22 | Blizz-Tenarsis | if its a UI difference only then I might as well just fix the UI to not be slow :P |
| 18:51.35 | TheAlmaity | only got access to EU, can I post a thread there? |
| 18:51.40 | Bommes | :D |
| 18:51.46 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yeah :| |
| 18:51.49 | Bommes | there is an EU thread for suggestions open already btw |
| 18:52.06 | TheAlmaity | and yea, is it possible to load all drop downs faster then? I guess that would speed up loading many of the "something +" fields (Modifications +, etc) |
| 18:52.13 | Bommes | http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5116951946 |
| 18:54.40 | Ahli | :S I still can't use behaviors to modify the height for my monsters to sink them into the ground... behavior seems to move the unit to height 0 instead of the unit's default height. :S |
| 18:55.03 | TheAlmaity | Blizz-Tenarsis: Should I post in the suggestion thread or just start a new one? |
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| 19:01.43 | Almaity | ok, so improving one improves all. Just wanted to know that so i have an argument that is not only about a single message in events+ :p |
| 19:02.02 | Bommes | wtf happened here lol |
| 19:02.09 | Bommes | IRC had a heart attack :/ |
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| 19:07.20 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZmkU5Pg1sw |
| 19:08.56 | Bommes | Ahli: You mean the unit height gets changed to 0 after the behavior ends even if the base height of the unit is something different? |
| 19:11.32 | Bommes | "mindset of this dance is: dress classy and dance cheesy" |
| 19:11.33 | Bommes | lol |
| 19:12.28 | Ahli | I try that again. I think I overlooked the height of the unit |
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| 19:18.17 | Ashamed | ahhhhhh |
| 19:18.58 | TheAlmaity | http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5326612612#1 |
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| 19:21.26 | Ahli | ah, bommes, I it works properly. :S I was stupid. |
| 19:21.53 | Ahli | I can use it for my monsters :) |
| 19:23.01 | Ashamed | rpg/deathmatch mod csgo getting there >< |
| 19:23.55 | Ahli | what did they add? |
| 19:27.34 | Ahli | what's deathmatch rpg? |
| 19:28.44 | Almaity | Ignore me - Just pinging Blizz-Tenarsis so that he sees this http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5326612612#1 |
| 19:35.11 | mille25 | hi |
| 19:35.23 | TheAlmaity | hai |
| 19:35.27 | mille25 | does anyone here know if its intented that constants cant be used within records (structs)? |
| 19:35.46 | mille25 | i just cant think of a reason why it shouldnt be possible. |
| 19:36.09 | TheAlmaity | Dunno, Tenarsis might. |
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| 19:53.48 | ckSynergy | ummmm |
| 19:54.12 | ckSynergy | hmmm |
| 19:54.47 | ckSynergy | I wonder why there isnt a "compare validators" validator |
| 19:55.29 | ckSynergy | or at least a >= > != < <= under the combine validator |
| 19:55.30 | TheAlmaity | ? |
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| 19:56.02 | ckSynergy | you know the combine validator has AND or OR for two validators? |
| 19:56.10 | TheAlmaity | yea? |
| 19:56.17 | Blizz-Tenarsis | use constants in records how? |
| 19:56.26 | ckSynergy | Im saying there should be a validator that compares two other validators and returns the result |
| 19:56.51 | Blizz-Tenarsis | there so totally is |
| 19:57.13 | ckSynergy | i.e. Unit Field Count > Unit Field Count 2 |
| 19:57.21 | ckSynergy | there is? |
| 19:58.15 | Blizz-Tenarsis | for != there is a Negate flag |
| 19:58.28 | Blizz-Tenarsis | for < > <= >= that has to be done on a specific validator |
| 19:58.35 | ckSynergy | right |
| 19:58.45 | ckSynergy | Im saying there should be a validator that checks two validators |
| 19:59.05 | ckSynergy | example: Unit Vitals (Target > 0) > Unit Vitals (Caster > 40) |
| 19:59.15 | Blizz-Tenarsis | that's not a valid statement |
| 19:59.30 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Unit Vitals (Target > 0) returns either true or false |
| 19:59.56 | ckSynergy | hmm. right. *thinks* |
| 19:59.58 | Blizz-Tenarsis | you want Unit Vitals (Target > Caster) && Unit Vitals (Caster > 40) |
| 20:00.03 | Blizz-Tenarsis | possibly |
| 20:00.20 | TheAlmaity | no, he wants the vitals of unit 1 to be higher of vitals of unit 2 or something like that |
| 20:00.27 | TheAlmaity | i.e. compare non-boolean values of validators |
| 20:00.34 | ckSynergy | ^ |
| 20:00.40 | Blizz-Tenarsis | which is exactly what I wrote :P |
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| 20:00.53 | Blizz-Tenarsis | except validators don't return non-boolean values in the way you're thinking |
| 20:00.54 | Iiris_Frost | needs HotS beta |
| 20:00.55 | ckSynergy | compare non-boolean is what I meant, yes |
| 20:01.08 | ckSynergy | but hold on, I need to think this thought out more |
| 20:01.24 | Blizz-Tenarsis | you can already do exactly what I wrote |
| 20:01.28 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Unit Vitals (Target > Caster) && Unit Vitals (Caster > 40) |
| 20:01.49 | Iiris_Frost | really needs HotS beta |
| 20:01.58 | TheAlmaity | No beta keys to hand out. |
| 20:02.08 | TheAlmaity | Blizzard hasnt given an ETA on em either. |
| 20:02.15 | ckSynergy | ok, now, what if I wanted to check Target:UnitField[Cost] < Caster:UnitField[Energy] |
| 20:02.38 | Iiris_Frost | :( |
| 20:02.53 | Iiris_Frost | really needs HotS beta so he can start working in the new editor |
| 20:03.29 | ckSynergy | ah ha, thats what we need |
| 20:03.59 | ckSynergy | Validator CompareField needs a "Validator: OtherField" for "OtherUnit" |
| 20:04.42 | Ahli_ | you have no real benefit with working with the new editor. Unless you don't want to play your maps online for the next 3-6 months... maybe... |
| 20:04.55 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yes |
| 20:05.04 | Blizz-Tenarsis | thats a great suggestion |
| 20:05.12 | ckSynergy | :D |
| 20:05.19 | Blizz-Tenarsis | can you post on forums :P |
| 20:05.24 | ckSynergy | sure |
| 20:05.27 | Blizz-Tenarsis | make new thread |
| 20:07.28 | Ahli_ | can you add a range of accepted difference to it, too? I'm using a bug workaround to check that pathfinding cost and distance between 2 points has at most 1 difference. |
| 20:10.38 | ckSynergy | will do |
| 20:15.19 | Ahli_ | in short, this: (distance > 2 && distance <= 3 && pathfindingcost <= 4) OR (distance > 3 && distance <= 4 && pathfindingcost <= 5) OR ... :S it is calculating the distance a lot of times (I guess) which could be shortened with a comparison between 2 validator values. |
| 20:15.23 | Iiris_Frost | Awwww, Blizz-Artestru left |
| 20:17.24 | Iiris_Frost | hmmm, now I just need someone to make a quick animation for the Zealot and Marine |
| 20:17.57 | Ahli_ | oh there is a sop for the height I didn't notice before |
| 20:18.20 | Iiris_Frost | I hope Blizz-Artestru comes back |
| 20:18.52 | TheAlmaity | Sorry, I ran out of goats to sacrifice, otherwise I'd summon him again :( |
| 20:19.13 | Kueken1 | sacrifices a frozen chicken |
| 20:19.16 | Iiris_Frost | Here i have a goat |
| 20:21.02 | ckSynergy | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6551465134#1 |
| 20:21.06 | ckSynergy | w/ examples of usage |
| 20:21.36 | ckSynergy | Ahli: YES |
| 20:22.22 | ckSynergy | but Tenarsis made a valid point, validators return boolen |
| 20:22.48 | ckSynergy | So we'd have to add the comparison individually to the validators we want them in |
| 20:23.27 | ckSynergy | Unless... |
| 20:23.55 | ckSynergy | Unless we has a "Validator compare", that had 2 fields where you could CHOOSE what to validate... |
| 20:23.59 | ckSynergy | i.e. a dropdown |
| 20:24.05 | ckSynergy | OMG YES |
| 20:24.07 | ckSynergy | thats it |
| 20:24.19 | ckSynergy | "Global Validator"" |
| 20:26.30 | ckSynergy | Compare: (GT, LT, ET, NE, GE, LE) | Validate: <Dropdown with fields you can validate>; Target: <Value>; Other Unit+: <Value> Validate Other: <Dropdown with field you can validate>; Value: <Value>; Other Value: <Other Unit: Value> |
| 20:27.49 | ckSynergy | ropdown would have fields like UnitField, UnitCargo, UnitAbilityLevel, Distance, LocationPathable, etc |
| 20:28.47 | ckSynergy | and then you have it work like units do, with the validators are sorted into folders base on the validate field |
| 20:28.53 | ckSynergy | (like units are) |
| 20:30.36 | Iiris_Frost | really needs HotS beta so he can start working in the new editor |
| 20:32.06 | Bommes | you can download the client and use the editor without having a key |
| 20:32.14 | Bommes | @Iiris_Frost |
| 20:32.16 | Exaken | Who doesn't want a hots beta key? |
| 20:32.40 | Iiris_Frost | I can't |
| 20:33.01 | zenxu | where do you even download it |
| 20:33.07 | zenxu | I didnt see it on bnet profile |
| 20:33.45 | Ahli_ | I don't think that beta keys are even existing for the hots beta. |
| 20:34.34 | TheAlmaity | nop, beta was added directly to account, no keys ever showed up |
| 20:35.00 | Ahli_ | keys == people sell their keys for money -> not intended. |
| 20:35.25 | Bibendus | hallo |
| 20:35.39 | Ahli_ | guten abend, bibendus |
| 20:35.45 | Bibendus | whatever :D |
| 20:36.01 | Ahli_ | good evening |
| 20:36.04 | Bibendus | Blizz-Tenarsis did you read my question about minimap yesterday? :P |
| 20:36.05 | Iiris_Frost | Fansites are still given beta keys |
| 20:36.25 | ckSynergy | I dont want a HoTS beta key |
| 20:36.38 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 20:37.03 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Bibendus: I believe minimap clicks return world clicked because it translates the minimap click to world space for use by triggers, and this came up before and I suggested we split the minimap clicks or something but I don't think we had time to do anything about it |
| 20:37.27 | Kueken1 | that would be perfect :) |
| 20:37.36 | Bibendus | so it's already planned for a fix |
| 20:37.43 | Bibendus | or separation |
| 20:37.49 | Bibendus | I believe it's something dota related :P |
| 20:37.55 | Ahli_ | separation for stuff, yay. |
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| 20:38.01 | Taintedwisp | PHEW |
| 20:38.02 | Taintedwisp | Back.. |
| 20:38.12 | Bibendus | am I right if I say that the majority of changes coming to the editor are done because you guys are working on dota? :P |
| 20:38.12 | Taintedwisp | Got my cat over to my house... took 3 months hahaah |
| 20:38.25 | Bibendus | and you need some lacking features |
| 20:38.44 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 20:38.49 | Kueken1 | well, do you think they will use triggered abilities in blizz allstars? I guess, they would rather add the features they need to data |
| 20:39.09 | Taintedwisp | Well i'm not complaining Bibendus, some if it is just for the community though, but the major ones... yes deff |
| 20:39.10 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 20:39.13 | Bibendus | I hope they really need input lag reduction |
| 20:39.21 | Taintedwisp | AHAHA |
| 20:39.30 | Kueken1 | so they probably won't be needing world mouse input |
| 20:39.47 | Bibendus | so Blizz-Tenarsis it's not possible to fix the minimap thing on this version? |
| 20:39.50 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Bibendus: we are greatly extending the capabilities of the engine for all-stars, also please post a thread about the minimap issue with details so we make sure to address it and prioritize it correctly |
| 20:39.56 | Bibendus | neither with one of your magic tricks |
| 20:40.03 | Bibendus | I think I already did it |
| 20:40.17 | Bibendus | in the US bug forum section I believe |
| 20:40.21 | Bibendus | or the editor section I don't remember |
| 20:40.41 | Bibendus | well... goin back to play tribes |
| 20:40.43 | Bibendus | cya later :P |
| 20:40.47 | Bibendus | tx for the clarification |
| 20:40.54 | zenxu | btw |
| 20:41.05 | zenxu | is it possible that blizzard will not even bring map marketplace |
| 20:41.13 | zenxu | or its just they will release it when its done |
| 20:42.27 | Taintedwisp | Tenarsis you said there was a Whiteboard? dixd you make sure to write Taintedwisp is the greatest ever!!! at the top? thats a big part of owning a whiteboard... |
| 20:42.29 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:43.29 | zenxu | Im sure they will just do that |
| 20:43.46 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 20:43.59 | Taintedwisp | in large green font? |
| 20:44.04 | zenxu | yes |
| 20:44.08 | Blizz-Tenarsis | we have lots of whiteboards with weird drawings on them |
| 20:44.16 | Blizz-Tenarsis | silly artists |
| 20:44.17 | Taintedwisp | New times roman... handwritten only please... |
| 20:44.20 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:44.20 | zenxu | finally |
| 20:44.40 | zenxu | Blizz-Tenarsis: any idea if blizzard still working on the marketplace or is it like halted? |
| 20:44.54 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 20:45.56 | Taintedwisp | Zenx, I still honestly dont know what will happen, 50% think it will obliterate the community, and 50% think they will make money personally. |
| 20:46.13 | Taintedwisp | those are estimates |
| 20:46.18 | Ahli_ | would be cool if sc2 could something like these complex targeting things one day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=H7WSLWcACiw#t=41s or can we already? :D |
| 20:46.19 | Taintedwisp | Just from the post I have made with the replys |
| 20:46.34 | Taintedwisp | Though I still COMPLETELY support a donate button... |
| 20:46.41 | Taintedwisp | where we can link our paypal accounts |
| 20:46.59 | zenxu | would be still nice to hear if they even working on it |
| 20:47.06 | zenxu | I wouldnt be amazed if it never came |
| 20:47.10 | ckSynergy | yea donate buttons would be nice |
| 20:47.14 | Taintedwisp | Well honestly Zenx, it wouldnt work right now... at alll |
| 20:47.20 | Taintedwisp | The community is soo small it would fail instantly |
| 20:47.26 | ckSynergy | I mean, you have some map makers that spend more time on their maps than some blizzard employees put into their work |
| 20:47.33 | ckSynergy | and yet we cant get paid for the work we do... |
| 20:47.36 | Taintedwisp | when they announced they had expected the same size of community as Wc3 |
| 20:47.53 | mille25 | [21:56] <Blizz-Tenarsis> use constants in records how? |
| 20:47.57 | zenxu | yea that is most likely true I guess, but I got no idea what the size of the community is |
| 20:47.58 | mille25 | huh? |
| 20:48.06 | zenxu | but atleast mapster is way smaller than the wc3 forums were |
| 20:48.07 | Bommes | @Ahli Do you mean just the arc or is there something special about the arc? |
| 20:48.08 | ckSynergy | Ahli: Complex targeting? |
| 20:48.11 | Blizz-Tenarsis | zenxu: tis complicated but still long-term at the moment :) |
| 20:48.26 | Taintedwisp | I dont want to get paid... But what would be nice is if both a donate button, and if blizzard gave stupid stuff like Mousepads to makers so they can have contest for their fans |
| 20:48.30 | Blizz-Tenarsis | mille25 you asked somequestion about constants in records |
| 20:48.42 | Taintedwisp | Glad its Long term... Because I plan on quitting when it comes... |
| 20:48.55 | Bommes | Because I don't get whats so special about it :D the targeting cursor is pretty special and you can probably not do that with the SC2 Editor because you can't auto update the facing of a cursor splat |
| 20:49.01 | Bommes | afaik |
| 20:49.05 | ckSynergy | Ahli: I watched that vid and all is currently possible in sc2 |
| 20:49.29 | Ahli_ | cool :) now we only need someone that actually uses that stuff |
| 20:49.33 | mille25 | yeah |
| 20:49.43 | mille25 | if you try to use a constant variable in a record it wont let you compile |
| 20:49.54 | mille25 | im not sure if thats intented or if its a bug |
| 20:50.09 | ckSynergy | Ahli_: what do you mean? |
| 20:50.15 | Taintedwisp | Hey everyone is it bad, I am making a map that my computer will not be able to handle? |
| 20:50.19 | ckSynergy | lots of people use it |
| 20:50.38 | Ahli_ | something more complex than circle around mouse pointer and range around caster |
| 20:50.42 | ckSynergy | Just because its not that EXACT effect, doesnt mean the general style isnt used |
| 20:51.00 | ckSynergy | are you talking about the targeting line? |
| 20:51.12 | ckSynergy | that would be a splat actor |
| 20:51.22 | ckSynergy | I think |
| 20:51.38 | Bommes | Oh right, I think you can do that now with HotS |
| 20:51.45 | Bommes | with the new Arc actor or whatever its called |
| 20:51.50 | ckSynergy | the actual missile would have a mover that made it turn with a low turning radius |
| 20:51.52 | Bommes | that is used for the raynor snipe weapon |
| 20:52.09 | ckSynergy | Bommes: 1.5 |
| 20:52.15 | ckSynergy | has line actors I think |
| 20:52.21 | ckSynergy | or so thats what I read from renee |
| 20:52.34 | Ahli_ | In that vid the half round arrow was scaled depending on the distance. |
| 20:53.29 | Kueken1 | yeah, ck, they are called arc actors :D |
| 20:53.59 | Bommes | @Ahli_ Yeah thats probably problematic in the Galaxy Editor right now. |
| 20:54.14 | Kueken1 | they behave quite weird, though, maybe I used them wrong |
| 20:54.21 | Bommes | I don't think you can replicate that cursor exactly in data. |
| 20:54.40 | Bommes | But for hero maps like that I think its no problem to use some triggers for that kind of stuff |
| 20:54.53 | Iiris_Frost | sucks not having HotS beta so i can test the new editor |
| 20:55.02 | ckSynergy | .... |
| 20:55.07 | ckSynergy | *thinks* |
| 20:56.06 | ckSynergy | well, this is kinda out there as I have no experience with splat or arc actors but |
| 20:56.16 | Taintedwisp | Wait Vailreth has been gone all day |
| 20:56.18 | Ahli_ | if a balrog dies, he is consumed by a flame. Any color wish? I don't want to use the default orange flames :S |
| 20:56.42 | ckSynergy | wouldnt it be possible to use a standard radial actor, that's created at the mouse cursor, and is offerset and attached to the host actor |
| 20:57.03 | ckSynergy | then youd just need to design the splat like the arc |
| 20:57.15 | zenxu | then useeeee pink flames |
| 20:57.30 | Kueken1 | cksynergy: thats assuming a cursor actor has a host |
| 20:57.42 | ckSynergy | Iiris_Frost: You dont need beta key to try editor |
| 20:57.43 | Kueken1 | or some reference to the caster for that matter |
| 20:57.50 | Iiris_Frost | yea you do |
| 20:58.04 | ckSynergy | you sure about that? |
| 20:58.08 | Iiris_Frost | yup |
| 20:58.14 | Iiris_Frost | won't let me |
| 20:58.30 | Kueken1 | I have heard people using the editor without one, but it might be fixed already |
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| 20:58.53 | Ashamed | ahhhhhh i hate windows |
| 20:59.48 | Taintedwisp | and I just deleted my facebook |
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| 21:00.09 | Taintedwisp | They are now selling your information to Telemarketers.... They came out and said it was their new program |
| 21:00.51 | Bommes | Yeah you can use the Beta Editor without a key. I don't know whether or not they dislike it or if its against the EULA or something. |
| 21:01.11 | Bommes | But I'm pretty sure they don't care :) There's not too much new stuff in the HotS Editor anyway |
| 21:01.18 | Bommes | there's the WIP UI Editor |
| 21:01.24 | Bommes | and besides that I don't even know what is new :D |
| 21:01.43 | Bommes | I think Renee or someone made a posting about all the new things |
| 21:01.51 | Iiris_Frost | I still can't access it though |
| 21:01.57 | Ahli_ | yes, bommes. http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/42797-list-new-features-in-2-0-hot-s-beta-editor/ |
| 21:05.29 | Bibendus | i'm baaaack |
| 21:06.24 | Bommes | welcome back |
| 21:07.00 | Blizz-Tenarsis | mille25 I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish with a constant variable in a record? |
| 21:07.23 | Blizz-Tenarsis | maybe you're just saying the UI shouldn't even let you do it? |
| 21:08.11 | Ashamed | tainted dont give facebook that info? |
| 21:08.25 | Ashamed | i just dont add any personal info besides me first / last name |
| 21:08.41 | Ashamed | facebook has been giving our information away for ages lol |
| 21:09.48 | mille25 | i use records mainly for organizing code |
| 21:09.51 | ckSynergy | ah right, I found that annoying |
| 21:09.57 | ckSynergy | ^ |
| 21:10.04 | mille25 | therefore i could use constants in records :D |
| 21:10.33 | Bommes | @Blizz-Tenarsis I wondered what the newly introduced "Quad" type actors will be used for, their data fields look really intriguing and I haven't found anyone who knows so far :) Is a quick explanation possible by any chance? |
| 21:10.39 | ckSynergy | records are great but If I recall, constants dont even work in a record, when sometimes it would be nice to say hey, All instances of Variable X in record Y are ALWAYS going to be = 4 |
| 21:11.20 | ckSynergy | and as a constant, could prevent the game from changing that variable (even by accident) |
| 21:11.49 | mille25 | i dont have much experience with structs outside of the editor so i might be talking total bs here and constants dont make any sense in structs. |
| 21:11.51 | ckSynergy | basically, I agree with mille |
| 21:12.13 | ckSynergy | wait |
| 21:12.14 | ckSynergy | ... what? |
| 21:12.55 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Bommes: its for all-stars targetting cursors |
| 21:12.57 | ckSynergy | are you suggesting to fix the compile, or suggesting disallowing the use of constants? |
| 21:13.36 | Bibendus | wut wut |
| 21:13.40 | Bibendus | u haz custom cursors?!?!' |
| 21:13.43 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Bommes: actually its used for Kerrigan's abilities too so you will get some examples with HotS |
| 21:13.56 | Bibendus | wait |
| 21:13.58 | Bibendus | mouse cursors? |
| 21:14.00 | Bommes | @Blizz-Tenarsis cool :) Thats he kind of stuff I want to hear, thats really interesting. Thanks for taking your time to answer that. |
| 21:14.04 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yeah theres line and cone cursors that show which units will be hit |
| 21:14.16 | Blizz-Tenarsis | by tinting them red with halos or something |
| 21:14.22 | Bibendus | oh k |
| 21:14.23 | Bibendus | but mm |
| 21:14.25 | Bibendus | can you actually |
| 21:14.28 | Bibendus | change mouse cursor |
| 21:14.42 | Bibendus | without using units? |
| 21:14.53 | mille25 | ok i think i got it now |
| 21:15.05 | mille25 | since constant arrays dont make sense it doesnt make sense to be able to use constants in records aswell |
| 21:15.30 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Bibendus: no but that's a good suggestion to be able to change the cursor through triggers |
| 21:15.43 | Bibendus | actually really important |
| 21:15.46 | Kueken1 | do records support static variables? |
| 21:15.47 | Bibendus | to give player feedback |
| 21:15.56 | Kueken1 | in this case, constants would make sense again |
| 21:15.57 | Bibendus | and |
| 21:16.00 | mille25 | ok now im really confused |
| 21:16.03 | Bibendus | what about attaching dialogs to mouse cursor? |
| 21:16.06 | mille25 | since constant arrays could in theory make sense |
| 21:16.21 | Bibendus | with no lag |
| 21:16.37 | Bibendus | using mouse event is not a good idea on bnet ;) |
| 21:16.47 | Bibendus | so just adding some kind of attach dialog to mouse cursor |
| 21:16.49 | Bibendus | could be nice |
| 21:17.09 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Bibendus thats an interesting suggestion but would probably be enough work that we need some decent justification for it |
| 21:17.10 | Bibendus | talking about dialog attachments |
| 21:17.17 | Bibendus | i ll go back to my unit flowers :P |
| 21:17.33 | Bibendus | ye probably I'm the only one that needs it :P |
| 21:17.39 | Bibendus | well |
| 21:17.49 | Bibendus | youcould use the attach dialog to change mouse cursor OR add dialogs to it ;) |
| 21:17.56 | Bibendus | 2 functionalities in 1 :P |
| 21:18.26 | Bibendus | well maybe the mouse cursor is easier |
| 21:18.39 | Bibendus | even if the problem is the limitation in size :| |
| 21:19.45 | Bommes | While you are all so busy talking about mouse cursors watch my stream for a second and tell me what you think about my "fake" custom cursors and how I can improve them :D http://www.justin.tv/bommesbv |
| 21:20.24 | Bibendus | fake custom cursors? |
| 21:20.30 | Bibendus | using units all over the place? |
| 21:20.31 | Iiris_Frost | How bout making key and mouse press events client side only |
| 21:20.59 | Bibendus | your stream is laggin |
| 21:21.06 | Bibendus | damn |
| 21:21.09 | Bibendus | it's the thing I suggested |
| 21:21.17 | Bibendus | and I really would like to see client side triggers :| |
| 21:21.37 | Bibendus | Blizz-Tenarsis what do you think about client side triggers? |
| 21:21.51 | Bibendus | with that we could do anything |
| 21:21.58 | Bibendus | custom cursors |
| 21:21.58 | zenxu | those cursors look just fine |
| 21:22.01 | Bommes | na, with selection circles |
| 21:22.02 | zenxu | make new areas |
| 21:22.10 | Bibendus | 3d fps camera |
| 21:22.10 | zenxu | Iv seen that area like 50 times already |
| 21:22.15 | Bibendus | real camera :P |
| 21:22.24 | Iiris_Frost | i'm talking about key and mouse events being client side. so wsad movement won't lag so much |
| 21:22.25 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yeah it would be quite a large task for us at this point but everyone wishes we had it |
| 21:22.31 | Bibendus | yes |
| 21:22.50 | Bibendus | just make them in the current engine without bothering about desync |
| 21:22.53 | Bibendus | we'll manage them |
| 21:23.25 | Blizz-Tenarsis | we have discussed many solutions for input lag and will work on them as we have time (which we don't right now) |
| 21:23.27 | Bibendus | but give us client side actor messages :P |
| 21:23.43 | Bibendus | did you think to other solutions too? |
| 21:23.57 | mille25 | so basically that means you actually have a solution but dont have the time for it, or does it mean you are still trying to find solutions later? |
| 21:24.19 | Bibendus | what about a simple thing to start... if there is only 1 player in a game it turns to single player with 0 lag? |
| 21:24.26 | zenxu | Blizz-Tenarsis: you got things to do list? what does it include like the top priorities |
| 21:24.41 | Bibendus | I don't think he can talk about that :D |
| 21:24.50 | zenxu | he can |
| 21:24.57 | Bibendus | no xD |
| 21:25.00 | Bibendus | btw bommes |
| 21:25.03 | Blizz-Tenarsis | we have solutions (they are kind of obvious) but they are complex and not something that can just be quickly thrown in |
| 21:25.05 | Bibendus | fix the screen thing |
| 21:25.08 | Bibendus | I'm getting epilepsy |
| 21:25.17 | mille25 | ok that alone is great news :D |
| 21:25.18 | Bibendus | and tenar |
| 21:25.22 | Bibendus | what about the single player map option? |
| 21:25.32 | Bibendus | why if I test a map in single player it goes 0 lag |
| 21:25.42 | Bibendus | if I play the same map in single player online it has to communicate with the server |
| 21:25.44 | Bibendus | what's the point |
| 21:26.23 | zenxu | mm that sure would be interesting if it were to allow singleplayer |
| 21:26.24 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Bibendus there's no point except we will have to do some additional work to let you play offline while actually online |
| 21:26.36 | Bommes | oh woops :D I was in fullscreen for some reason |
| 21:26.40 | zenxu | I would Imagine all people bitching about lagg in multiplayer :( |
| 21:26.43 | Bommes | that drives xsplit mad |
| 21:26.48 | Bibendus | isn't that easy? :( |
| 21:26.49 | Bibendus | aw |
| 21:26.49 | Blizz-Tenarsis | and it's not high enough priority right now, post on the forums about it if you want it higher in priority |
| 21:26.50 | Bommes | watch again bibendus |
| 21:27.06 | Bibendus | already posted in the suggestion thread |
| 21:27.10 | Bommes | should be fixed now, right? |
| 21:27.16 | Bibendus | let's see |
| 21:27.19 | Bibendus | mm |
| 21:27.22 | Bibendus | if u close it |
| 21:27.25 | Bibendus | how can I see :D |
| 21:27.39 | Bibendus | weird loading screen |
| 21:27.42 | Bibendus | ok it's fixed now |
| 21:27.46 | Bibendus | did u stop downloading porn? :D |
| 21:28.13 | mille25 | hey btw |
| 21:28.14 | Bibendus | now u lag again... at least the screen doesn't turn black D: |
| 21:28.25 | mille25 | does anyone of you here constantly monitor FPS in their customs? |
| 21:28.32 | mille25 | i noticed a weird thing yesterday |
| 21:28.40 | Blizz-Tenarsis | zenxu: priorities are ship HotS and what's listed here: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5366967 |
| 21:28.51 | mille25 | if i play my map offline, i got about 160fps |
| 21:28.52 | zenxu | nice let me check em out |
| 21:29.00 | mille25 | but online, with just one player it goes to about 100 |
| 21:29.06 | mille25 | does anybody else have this problem? |
| 21:29.42 | zenxu | Well all those features seem fine enough for me even thou I hate the streaming thing |
| 21:29.47 | zenxu | I guess majority will enjoy it |
| 21:29.50 | Bibendus | woah |
| 21:29.51 | Bibendus | never saw it |
| 21:29.53 | Bibendus | multiplayer resume |
| 21:29.54 | Bibendus | AH |
| 21:29.56 | Bibendus | I knew that |
| 21:30.00 | Bibendus | you can't compete with lol and dota |
| 21:30.04 | Bibendus | if you don't have a rejoin ;) |
| 21:30.14 | Bibendus | and that makes sense |
| 21:30.25 | Bibendus | global play means no more server limitations? |
| 21:30.29 | mille25 | well |
| 21:30.34 | mille25 | rejoin is a problem i guess |
| 21:30.36 | Bibendus | well damnit |
| 21:30.37 | mille25 | because of script |
| 21:30.40 | Bibendus | ye |
| 21:30.46 | Bibendus | but it's a priority :P |
| 21:30.48 | Bibendus | and not easy to do |
| 21:30.57 | Bibendus | I think they didn't release allstar |
| 21:30.59 | mille25 | no its not really a rejoin |
| 21:31.02 | mille25 | its resume from replay |
| 21:31.08 | Bibendus | because this is one of the main problems |
| 21:31.21 | Bibendus | in lol u can rejoin |
| 21:31.26 | mille25 | rejoin != resume from replay |
| 21:31.26 | Bibendus | in dota too |
| 21:31.30 | mille25 | yes |
| 21:31.36 | mille25 | but in starcraft the code runs synched |
| 21:31.38 | mille25 | for all players |
| 21:31.39 | zenxu | what does resume from replay even mean? |
| 21:31.39 | Blizz-Tenarsis | actually |
| 21:31.43 | Bibendus | ye |
| 21:31.47 | Bibendus | that's why it's not simple |
| 21:31.47 | Blizz-Tenarsis | rejoin ~= resume from replay |
| 21:32.02 | Bibendus | and still they need to do it to compete with lol and dota |
| 21:32.05 | mille25 | yeah but basically everyone plays the map from begin on through the replay |
| 21:32.08 | mille25 | what makes in synched |
| 21:32.11 | zenxu | that sounds pretty useless to me |
| 21:32.13 | mille25 | while if you rejoin |
| 21:32.16 | zenxu | laggers will come back lol |
| 21:32.22 | mille25 | you dont have the previous game data |
| 21:32.24 | Bibendus | they already did the stream thing |
| 21:32.26 | zenxu | when you finally drop them out |
| 21:32.30 | Bibendus | and that was another important step for allstar release |
| 21:32.40 | Bibendus | because now they can allow people to play allstars without owning starcraft |
| 21:32.53 | Blizz-Tenarsis | if you rejoin, the other players would theoretically send you their replay, and then you resume from replay to rejoin the game (I think, don't trust me on this) |
| 21:33.15 | Blizz-Tenarsis | pretty sure it is actually reconnect support |
| 21:33.21 | Bibendus | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5366967 |
| 21:33.27 | Bibendus | why wasn't this thing posted on sc2mapster sixen :| |
| 21:33.30 | zenxu | is that really possible that people could play bliz all stars without starcraft? |
| 21:33.35 | Bibendus | yes |
| 21:33.38 | zenxu | cause that would be freakin awesome |
| 21:33.41 | Bibendus | you can already play bejeweled |
| 21:33.43 | zenxu | like if custom maps could be own section |
| 21:33.44 | Blizz-Tenarsis | "We have been investigating solutions to this issue for some time, but we expect to offer the ability to resume play from a replay at or around the launch of Heart of the Swarm." |
| 21:33.49 | Bibendus | without owning a legit starcraft account |
| 21:33.49 | Blizz-Tenarsis | oops |
| 21:33.59 | mille25 | yeah resume from replay :D |
| 21:34.00 | Blizz-Tenarsis | " While we are discussing many different improvements, we've heard your feedback and are creating a way that games can be continued if they are ended prematurely during an eSports event. " |
| 21:34.08 | Blizz-Tenarsis | that's resume from replay |
| 21:34.14 | Blizz-Tenarsis | == reconnect |
| 21:34.17 | Bibendus | oooh |
| 21:34.22 | Bibendus | damnit |
| 21:34.28 | Bibendus | so it's not what I tough |
| 21:34.35 | mille25 | but you cant connect into a game thats currently running |
| 21:34.39 | Bibendus | you can't rejoin when disconnected, right? |
| 21:34.42 | Bibendus | damnit :| |
| 21:34.43 | mille25 | you can just resume it after it ended |
| 21:34.45 | mille25 | from replay. |
| 21:34.48 | mille25 | thats what im saying. |
| 21:34.52 | Blizz-Tenarsis | no you could |
| 21:34.57 | Bibendus | oh rly? |
| 21:35.17 | Bibendus | do everyone need to leave and restart from replay? |
| 21:35.23 | Bibendus | or you can rejoin on the flag |
| 21:36.25 | mille25 | for me, rejoining means joining a game that already started. as far as i have understood this the planned feature just means that you can resume from an existing replay file to continue playing after a disconnect or to replay games |
| 21:36.26 | Blizz-Tenarsis | can't say, |
| 21:36.41 | Bibendus | cuz it's secret |
| 21:36.44 | Bibendus | or cuz you don't know |
| 21:36.45 | zenxu | isnt that the only thing that would make sense |
| 21:36.53 | zenxu | so its just a reconnect |
| 21:36.56 | zenxu | Im gona assume |
| 21:37.19 | Bibendus | ye |
| 21:37.22 | Bibendus | reconnect from replay |
| 21:37.28 | mille25 | its not even a real reconnect |
| 21:37.31 | Bibendus | would be useful only on competitive turneys |
| 21:37.33 | Bibendus | ... |
| 21:37.35 | mille25 | since you cant reconnect into the still running game |
| 21:37.42 | Bibendus | and you don't crash a lot on turneys |
| 21:37.51 | Bibendus | considering they use new awesome pcs :P |
| 21:37.55 | mille25 | you can just restart the game from the point you disconnected together :D |
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| 21:38.01 | tordy | good evening friends! |
| 21:38.05 | Bibendus | yeah still pretty useless |
| 21:38.07 | Bibendus | considering the efforts |
| 21:38.09 | Bommes | hello |
| 21:38.15 | mille25 | i dont think its useless |
| 21:38.17 | Bibendus | while allowing the rejoin in a dota game |
| 21:38.18 | mille25 | its pretty cool |
| 21:38.21 | Bibendus | is pretty important |
| 21:38.24 | Bibendus | because if a player leaves |
| 21:38.25 | zenxu | I think its pretty useless too xD |
| 21:38.28 | Bibendus | you will probably loose |
| 21:38.32 | mille25 | like ive said they cant simply do a rejoin |
| 21:38.32 | Bibendus | no it's not |
| 21:38.38 | mille25 | since its technically a problem |
| 21:38.43 | Bibendus | it's blizzard |
| 21:38.45 | Bibendus | they can solve problems |
| 21:38.46 | Blizz-Tenarsis | don't think so |
| 21:38.53 | Bibendus | so you can, right? :P |
| 21:38.55 | tordy | they could but their track record isn't so great lately |
| 21:39.19 | mille25 | everything is possible for sure. |
| 21:39.24 | tordy | they might do it for blizz allstars tho |
| 21:39.29 | zenxu | Is there anyway to see traffic on custom maps? |
| 21:39.35 | mille25 | but as far as i know the problem is that the entire engine runs synched between all players |
| 21:39.35 | mille25 | so |
| 21:39.38 | zenxu | like how many players actually play them |
| 21:39.40 | mille25 | if a player joins a running game |
| 21:39.46 | mille25 | he would need to get all data first |
| 21:39.49 | mille25 | like |
| 21:39.59 | mille25 | all varaible values, actors, units, etc |
| 21:40.05 | mille25 | to be synched with the rest |
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| 21:40.17 | Blizz-Tenarsis | that's what the replay is for |
| 21:40.23 | mille25 | exactly |
| 21:40.31 | mille25 | and thats why im saying its hard to code a rejoin |
| 21:40.37 | mille25 | without replay :D |
| 21:40.38 | Blizz-Tenarsis | but only the disconnected player needs to sim the replay |
| 21:40.46 | Blizz-Tenarsis | maybe |
| 21:40.49 | Blizz-Tenarsis | :P |
| 21:40.53 | mille25 | but the replay doesnt exist until the game ended |
| 21:41.03 | Blizz-Tenarsis | nah its written as the game runs |
| 21:41.06 | Blizz-Tenarsis | its a stream |
| 21:41.11 | zenxu | Blizz-Tenarsis: tell us some statistic on custom games. I bet you have them :/ |
| 21:41.14 | tordy | does it hurt performance? |
| 21:41.20 | zenxu | was the hours played even accurate btw? |
| 21:41.23 | Blizz-Tenarsis | no they're pretty small |
| 21:41.27 | zenxu | in pre 1.5 |
| 21:41.33 | tordy | if i turn replays off, can i get a slight boost in fps or something? |
| 21:41.41 | Bibendus | u just need to make a print screen |
| 21:41.45 | Taintedwisp | There, Now that DoD clan is quit with no return... I tried to quit nicely, then they decided to keep pushing me and pushing me... So I told them, and the members responsible to them.... Bet they shut up to me now for a bit ahah |
| 21:41.46 | Bibendus | of actual variables, running triggers, etc |
| 21:41.50 | Bibendus | and send them to the rejoining player |
| 21:42.01 | mille25 | yeah but |
| 21:42.06 | tordy | can you even turn off replays? |
| 21:42.09 | mille25 | in the time the player is downloading the data |
| 21:42.13 | mille25 | the game would already have changed |
| 21:42.13 | zenxu | my efforts to talk about something more interesting fails :( |
| 21:42.15 | Bibendus | not simple but not impossible |
| 21:42.17 | tordy | i tried turning it off in options but they still show up |
| 21:42.58 | tordy | the replay consits of the map too right? |
| 21:42.59 | mille25 | im not an expert on this, but i think if you would want to have a true rejoin feature alot of the core engine would need to be recoded |
| 21:43.07 | mille25 | actually its pretty much the same as for client side script |
| 21:43.14 | Bommes | @mille25 Lets just wait and see :D They probably have good workarounds and solutions, they always have! |
| 21:43.19 | Blizz-Tenarsis | replay just says which map |
| 21:43.24 | Bommes | Right now everything is NDAed |
| 21:43.33 | Bommes | so we won't get new information anyway |
| 21:43.59 | Bibendus | they just don't have time :P |
| 21:44.05 | Bibendus | or developers |
| 21:44.08 | Bibendus | (pick me pick me) |
| 21:44.09 | Bibendus | :D |
| 21:44.48 | mille25 | im not really requesting new information, im just discussing .D |
| 21:44.56 | Blizz-Tenarsis | okay I'm going to go get some work done, you guys are too much of a distraction :) |
| 21:45.04 | Bibendus | nooooooo |
| 21:45.07 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:45.14 | mille25 | yeah, go work on client side code :P |
| 21:45.19 | Bibendus | i'm not a distraction |
| 21:45.22 | Bibendus | but a pain in the ass |
| 21:45.29 | Blizz-Tenarsis | cya |
| 21:45.50 | Bibendus | he totally likes to talk with us :P |
| 21:46.21 | mille25 | im still not sure what his point was with the rejoin stuff |
| 21:47.07 | Bibendus | I think he said they can do the rejoin thing |
| 21:47.10 | Bibendus | live |
| 21:47.23 | mille25 | i didnt really understand it though |
| 21:47.29 | Taintedwisp | NOOO |
| 21:47.32 | Taintedwisp | We are BLIZZ-LESS |
| 21:47.33 | mille25 | he was like "you can rejoin games but you need the replay" or smth |
| 21:47.34 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:47.41 | mille25 | what doesnt make any sense |
| 21:48.08 | Bommes | @mille25 why? |
| 21:48.33 | mille25 | because again, the replay cant exist if the game is still running |
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| 21:49.08 | Bommes | I think thats the point he wanted to make, that they rewrote the part how replays are made |
| 21:49.12 | mille25 | even if the replay is streamed while the game is running, the rejoining player would somehow have to get this replay on the fly and then start the game using this replay thats already outdated a secibd later |
| 21:49.12 | Bommes | and that the replays can be streamed |
| 21:49.15 | Bommes | but again |
| 21:49.25 | mille25 | *second |
| 21:49.39 | Bommes | luckily he didn't say anything that was very clear |
| 21:49.42 | Bommes | because its NDAed |
| 21:49.42 | tordy | Taintedwisp scared blizz away |
| 21:49.43 | Bommes | if he would |
| 21:49.50 | Bommes | I think he would get into trouble |
| 21:49.55 | Bommes | so I don't know |
| 21:49.58 | tordy | talk about what? |
| 21:50.00 | Bibendus | soo blizzless |
| 21:50.12 | Bommes | @Bibendus they probably spy in here with other nicknames |
| 21:50.13 | tordy | quick someoen pretend to be blizz |
| 21:50.13 | mille25 | yeah they always have an NDA |
| 21:50.15 | Bommes | :D |
| 21:50.17 | Bibendus | ooooh |
| 21:50.24 | Taintedwisp | Yeha i /nick Blizz-Tordylovesmen |
| 21:50.28 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:50.31 | Bibendus | xD |
| 21:50.53 | Taintedwisp | I did some serious trolling to the last clan, ahaha, they are really going to think I hate some poeple |
| 21:50.54 | Bibendus | this seems legit |
| 21:50.58 | Taintedwisp | 15 forum post |
| 21:51.10 | Taintedwisp | But I dont hate anyone, I just like to screw witht hem |
| 21:51.23 | Taintedwisp | Though I might have gone a bit too far with it... |
| 21:52.16 | mille25 | at least we know that they have solutions for input delay |
| 21:52.30 | mille25 | that means they will probably be implemented in 2 years from now |
| 21:52.56 | mille25 | note to self: scu denied by 2 years. |
| 21:53.11 | mille25 | *delayed :D |
| 21:53.13 | Bommes | They do? |
| 21:53.15 | Bommes | did he say that? |
| 21:53.38 | Iiris_Frost | I'm mad at SCU |
| 21:53.39 | mille25 | yes |
| 21:53.45 | Bommes | wow, thats great news |
| 21:53.47 | mille25 | but they dont have time |
| 21:53.56 | Bommes | Yeah, understandable |
| 21:54.03 | Bommes | but maybe around the time LotV ships |
| 21:54.13 | mille25 | i guess it might be maximum medium priority because most customs dont use key controls |
| 21:54.14 | Bommes | or after LotV |
| 21:54.15 | mille25 | HOWEVER |
| 21:54.21 | mille25 | thats mainly because of the lag |
| 21:54.23 | mille25 | so basically |
| 21:54.24 | Iiris_Frost | SCU in a sense stole a system I made and gave me no credit for it |
| 21:54.37 | mille25 | what system did it steal? |
| 21:54.41 | Iiris_Frost | chat |
| 21:54.45 | Taintedwisp | im sure you did Iiris haha |
| 21:54.46 | Exaken | xD |
| 21:54.53 | mille25 | chat? |
| 21:54.58 | Taintedwisp | Chat... yup you made that back? 1980 right? |
| 21:54.59 | mille25 | thats 100% written by my personally |
| 21:55.02 | Taintedwisp | before Wc1 and all that |
| 21:55.04 | mille25 | wtf? :D |
| 21:55.38 | Kueken1 | Iiris_Frost: Sometimes, multiple people come up with very similar ideas |
| 21:55.41 | Kueken1 | it happens ;) |
| 21:55.45 | Iiris_Frost | I made a custom chat system which I allowed SCU to use then it simply got copied into one to work for the newer patches |
| 21:55.47 | mille25 | ok so to get back to the input delay |
| 21:56.07 | mille25 | basically the arcade would have alot more variation now |
| 21:56.14 | mille25 | if the input delay wouldnt have existed in the first place |
| 21:56.18 | Iiris_Frost | Kueken1: not at all same idea, i actually allowed them to use it |
| 21:56.19 | mille25 | since alot of people had very cool ideas |
| 21:56.24 | mille25 | but scrapped them because of the lag |
| 21:56.31 | mille25 | so everyone went back to TDs, aos etc |
| 21:56.40 | Kueken1 | well, mille is here, you can talk it out o_0 |
| 21:56.40 | mille25 | even though alot of people wanted to do shooters |
| 21:57.09 | mille25 | Iiris |
| 21:57.21 | Iiris_Frost | So I'm pissed off at SCU |
| 21:57.22 | mille25 | your chat was deleted because you were inactive and didnt provide any support and it didnt work any more |
| 21:57.34 | mille25 | also, ive recoded it from scratch |
| 21:57.35 | Iiris_Frost | it was copied |
| 21:57.38 | mille25 | nothing is copied at all. |
| 21:57.42 | Bommes | @mille25 but Starcraft Custom Mapping is only second priority. They had to make sure the main game works flawlessly and thats where 90% of their effort went. |
| 21:57.42 | Iiris_Frost | bullshitr |
| 21:57.49 | Bommes | So you can't really be surprised by the input delay |
| 21:57.52 | Iiris_Frost | it works exactly like mine |
| 21:57.54 | Taintedwisp | Yeah Iiris I know how you feel... I CAME UP WITH THE IDEA!!! of having armies controllable... |
| 21:57.58 | Taintedwisp | My idea... they stole it |
| 21:58.02 | Bommes | you have only so many ressources when developing a game |
| 21:58.03 | mille25 | it works like every other chat works |
| 21:58.07 | mille25 | it displays text |
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| 21:58.43 | Iiris_Frost | you ppl had my code and easily rewrote it to work with the new patch |
| 21:58.55 | mille25 | nopr |
| 21:59.00 | mille25 | your code was deleted. |
| 21:59.02 | Iiris_Frost | and I was still around. I never left |
| 21:59.33 | mille25 | i even made a guide how to create a chat on mapster |
| 21:59.37 | mille25 | no need for me to copy code. |
| 21:59.38 | Iiris_Frost | and I never said I'd provide support |
| 21:59.57 | Iiris_Frost | simply put, you ppl stole my system |
| 22:00.16 | mille25 | so, what exactly was "stolen"? |
| 22:00.51 | Iiris_Frost | it uses the exact same setup as mine |
| 22:00.58 | mille25 | if you would have taken a look at my chatbox guide on mapster you would see that it works differently from your old implementation. |
| 22:01.20 | mille25 | what exactly is unique about your setup? |
| 22:01.57 | Iiris_Frost | I used dialog labels for the chat text, which you still do |
| 22:02.16 | mille25 | LOL |
| 22:02.41 | mille25 | what should i use else? images? |
| 22:03.08 | Iiris_Frost | used my exact method of making it work |
| 22:03.51 | mille25 | again, wrong. |
| 22:04.06 | Iiris_Frost | no |
| 22:04.13 | Iiris_Frost | it was copied |
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| 22:05.07 | mille25 | :D |
| 22:05.17 | Creation25 | :D |
| 22:05.27 | Saltpeter | Aww, the zergit script is no longer up? :( |
| 22:05.35 | Saltpeter | !zergit salty |
| 22:05.36 | Skizot | Hydrasaltylisk |
| 22:06.06 | Iiris_Frost | One time I allow someone else to use my work and they fucking steal it. |
| 22:06.22 | Iiris_Frost | pisses me off |
| 22:06.28 | Kueken1 | :D |
| 22:06.30 | mille25 | :( |
| 22:06.33 | Exaken | :D |
| 22:06.42 | Kueken1 | if you think so, file a lawsuit or get over it |
| 22:06.42 | Saltpeter | :( |
| 22:06.53 | mille25 | i just noticed smth |
| 22:06.58 | mille25 | IRC uses labels to display text |
| 22:07.03 | mille25 | D: |
| 22:07.15 | Exaken | omg, sue them!:D |
| 22:07.19 | Creation25 | Your work was completely removed from SCU and replaced with a new system created by Mille25. |
| 22:07.35 | Bibendus | in the xml ui |
| 22:07.43 | Bibendus | what's the alignment value |
| 22:07.44 | Bibendus | for center? |
| 22:07.45 | Iiris_Frost | which was copied from my work |
| 22:08.02 | Bibendus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.02 | Bibendus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.05 | Creation25 | No. It was created entirely from scratch. |
| 22:08.12 | Bibendus | I tried center and middle |
| 22:08.14 | Bibendus | :| |
| 22:08.29 | Creation25 | Let's take this to private chat. |
| 22:08.42 | Iiris_Frost | still copied from my work |
| 22:09.11 | Bibendus | map protection |
| 22:09.13 | Bibendus | is dah way |
| 22:09.22 | Bommes | @Creation25 Why? It's entertaining :D You are taking away the fun by making it private. |
| 22:09.27 | Bommes | DON'T TAKE AWAY THE FUN DUDE :( |
| 22:10.11 | mille25 | :'( |
| 22:10.54 | Bibendus | guyz |
| 22:10.55 | Bibendus | :| |
| 22:11.33 | Exaken | Isn't the default location of the frame in the center? |
| 22:11.54 | Bommes | I don't know Bibendus :/ |
| 22:12.01 | Bommes | Or I would answer it |
| 22:12.02 | Bibendus | :( |
| 22:12.09 | mille25 | ask helral |
| 22:12.10 | Bibendus | dunno |
| 22:12.10 | Exaken | Like if all the anchors are 0? |
| 22:12.14 | Bibendus | and still what if you want |
| 22:12.15 | Bibendus | top center |
| 22:12.17 | Bibendus | bottom center |
| 22:12.18 | Bibendus | etc |
| 22:13.00 | Bibendus | OOOH |
| 22:13.02 | Bibendus | i place all attachments |
| 22:13.05 | Bibendus | and it goes center |
| 22:13.06 | Bibendus | clever |
| 22:13.07 | Bibendus | O_o |
| 22:13.24 | Bibendus | no kinda stupid |
| 22:13.24 | Bibendus | :D |
| 22:13.52 | Iiris_Frost | I wish I had someone for animations |
| 22:14.10 | Iiris_Frost | I need some custom animations for 2 standard units |
| 22:16.56 | Tolkfan | the sc1 remake guys used my briefing screen functions, i'm gunna sue! and they copied the background image which I copied from sc1 and wasted 2 minutes converting to png! |
| 22:18.03 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 22:18.30 | Tolkfan | yup, my briefing screen has 4 portraits, theirs has 4 portraits. copied! |
| 22:18.50 | Tolkfan | it doesn't matter that sc1 brief had 4 portraits as well! :O |
| 22:22.53 | Tolkfan | btw. yesterday at night, Tenarsis revealed some details about the Titan MMO. Who wants to hear them? |
| 22:23.07 | Bommes | <- |
| 22:23.11 | Exaken | ME ME ME ME |
| 22:23.56 | Tolkfan | ok, so... the team that's making Titan... has it's offices on the top floor of blizz HQ! HOW ABOUT DEM APPLES!? |
| 22:24.10 | Tolkfan | sc2mapster exclusive |
| 22:25.35 | mille25 | thats... big news. |
| 22:25.37 | mille25 | :D |
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| 22:26.07 | Exaken | It's gonna be the news everywhere:P |
| 22:28.27 | Bommes | the whole top floor? |
| 22:28.45 | Bommes | http://www.sc2blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/blizzahq.jpg |
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| 22:34.51 | Tolkfan | wow, blizz hq is bigger than i thought... |
| 22:34.55 | Tolkfan | https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Blizzard+Entertainment,+Irvine,+CA,+United+States&hl=en&ll=33.658232,-117.767022&spn=0.004079,0.005681&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=44.744674,93.076172&oq=blizzard&hq=Blizzard+Entertainment,+Irvine,+CA,+United+States&t=h&z=18 |
| 22:35.06 | Tolkfan | oh... that turned out to be a long link... |
| 22:35.53 | Tolkfan | we'll have to figure out which building houses the titan team, then drop paratroops on it to make pictures |
| 22:36.17 | Blizz-Artestru | Good luck getting past the archers! |
| 22:36.47 | Tolkfan | oh crap, wipe the logs :O |
| 22:38.49 | Tolkfan | are those really volleyball and basketball courts i see down there? -_- |
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| 22:39.28 | Taintedwisp | WOOT WE GOT BLIZZ |
| 22:39.39 | Taintedwisp | My blizzard dance worked.. |
| 22:39.41 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 22:39.54 | Iiris_Frost | I wonder how many core hounds they have guarding blizzard HQ |
| 22:40.10 | Blizz-Artestru | No core hounds, they're too low level now. |
| 22:40.35 | Iiris_Frost | damn |
| 22:40.42 | Bommes | Google is clearly superior. |
| 22:40.46 | Bommes | They got a swimming pool! |
| 22:40.46 | Bommes | https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Blizzard+Entertainment,+Irvine,+CA,+United+States&hl=en&ll=33.658232,-117.767022&spn=0.004079,0.005681&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=44.744674,93.076172&oq=blizzard&hq=Blizzard+Entertainment,+Irvine,+CA,+United+States&t=h&z=18 |
| 22:41.07 | Bommes | woops wrong link |
| 22:41.07 | Bommes | sec |
| 22:43.19 | Taintedwisp | Yeah Blizzard has only the best Murlocs guarding their doors |
| 22:43.45 | Taintedwisp | And even... legend says, a lvl 2 boar guarding the CEO's office |
| 22:44.07 | Bommes | Ah I'm to dumb to save a google maps link. |
| 22:44.14 | Bommes | Damn you, overcomplicated google! |
| 22:44.48 | Bommes | Oh, its right there |
| 22:44.48 | Bommes | https://maps.google.de/maps?q=Google,+Irvine,+CA,+Vereinigte+Staaten&hl=de&sll=50.75968,6.096525&sspn=0.371373,1.056747&t=h&hq=Google,&hnear=Irvine,+Orange+County,+Kalifornien,+Vereinigte+Staaten&z=13 |
| 22:44.51 | Bommes | :O |
| 22:45.09 | Bommes | And you can even enjoy using a german google link! :) |
| 22:45.46 | Iiris_Frost | Bommes: that last one returns to google.com |
| 22:45.50 | Iiris_Frost | no map |
| 22:46.02 | Taintedwisp | The last one... does work |
| 22:46.04 | Taintedwisp | I just looked haha |
| 22:46.10 | Taintedwisp | but you have to zoom it in yourself |
| 22:46.43 | Sixen | Why are we creepin' on blizzhq? :O |
| 22:47.21 | Iiris_Frost | where is the swimming pool? |
| 22:47.26 | Exaken | We're spying on Titan:D |
| 22:47.30 | Bommes | at the google HQ |
| 22:47.39 | Iiris_Frost | i don't see one |
| 22:47.59 | Tolkfan | I think I see a monitor with titan through one of the windows... |
| 22:48.14 | Tolkfan | all these buildings make me want to play sim city... |
| 22:48.19 | Iiris_Frost | lol |
| 22:48.29 | Taintedwisp | WAIT THATS NOT THE GOOGLE HQ!!! |
| 22:48.38 | Bommes | At the south west side... I'm not sure though where the Google HQ is because there are some different labels there that kind of confuse me. |
| 22:48.38 | Taintedwisp | Google moved its HQ to France... |
| 22:48.40 | Bommes | Well whatever |
| 22:48.41 | Iiris_Frost | lets remake Simcity for SC2 |
| 22:48.53 | Bommes | Really? |
| 22:49.15 | Bommes | oh its just not in Irvine |
| 22:49.16 | Taintedwisp | Yeah they deff moved to france. |
| 22:49.18 | Bommes | I think |
| 22:49.34 | Taintedwisp | Because france did all kinds of BS to them |
| 22:49.39 | Taintedwisp | And treated them dirty |
| 22:49.44 | Taintedwisp | that was around the time sopa was going through |
| 22:50.13 | Taintedwisp | maybe im wrong |
| 22:50.21 | Taintedwisp | or my source lied... |
| 22:50.31 | Bommes | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googleplex |
| 22:50.35 | Bommes | https://maps.google.de/maps?q=Google+Inc,+Amphitheatre+Parkway,+Mountain+View,+Santa+Clara+County,+Kalifornien,+USA&hl=de&ll=37.4221,-122.084021&spn=0.002576,0.004128&sll=50.75968,6.096525&sspn=0.371373,1.056747&oq=google,+San&t=h&hq=Google+Inc,+Amphitheatre+Parkway,+Mountain+View,+Santa+Clara+County,+Kalifornien,+USA&z=19 |
| 22:50.38 | Bommes | thats the google HQ |
| 22:50.49 | Bommes | google maps itself suggests google irvine though at first search |
| 22:50.52 | Taintedwisp | My source must have lied |
| 22:50.53 | Bommes | dont know whats that all about |
| 22:51.02 | Bommes | in fact I don't really care all that much and I don't even know why I'm searching that :D |
| 22:52.41 | Taintedwisp | zThey have a bigger home... |
| 22:52.43 | Taintedwisp | But no pool |
| 22:52.44 | Taintedwisp | hahah' |
| 22:53.06 | Tolkfan | google maps is like tvtropes to me... |
| 22:53.13 | Tolkfan | im looking up area 51 :P |
| 22:55.18 | Bibendus | anyone expert |
| 22:55.24 | Bibendus | with xml ui dialogs? |
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| 22:56.30 | Taintedwisp | Bibendus, I would suggest you talk to Helral I think it is, that is very good with XML UI |
| 22:56.41 | Taintedwisp | From what I understand |
| 22:56.44 | Bibendus | but he's a cat! |
| 22:56.54 | Taintedwisp | I know... |
| 22:56.55 | Bibendus | :D |
| 22:56.57 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:57.07 | Taintedwisp | What you a Gatophobe? |
| 22:57.12 | Taintedwisp | YOU BIGOTED BASTARD |
| 22:57.13 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:57.27 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 22:57.30 | Taintedwisp | Gatophobe |
| 22:58.05 | Taintedwisp | Ailurophobia |
| 22:58.08 | Taintedwisp | Thats the actual word |
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| 22:59.22 | Iiris_Frost | I need some custom animations for 2 standard units |
| 22:59.47 | Taintedwisp | well iiris you better do something |
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| 23:00.32 | Iiris_Frost | can't find anyone to make them for me |
| 23:01.42 | Taintedwisp | Well animations aren't easy. |
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| 23:02.28 | Bibendus | what animations do you need |
| 23:02.30 | Bibendus | consider that with hots |
| 23:02.35 | Bibendus | some new will come |
| 23:02.38 | Bibendus | specially dead animations |
| 23:04.24 | Iiris_Frost | I need to combine attack and walk into one animation |
| 23:04.24 | Taintedwisp | Theres a new animation for Helral loving male cats |
| 23:04.33 | Iiris_Frost | for 2 standard units |
| 23:04.36 | Bibendus | oh for fps |
| 23:04.50 | Iiris_Frost | not for a fps |
| 23:04.51 | Bibendus | well maybe it's not so hard |
| 23:04.58 | Bibendus | or top down shooter? |
| 23:05.02 | Iiris_Frost | nope |
| 23:05.06 | Bibendus | whatever :P |
| 23:05.10 | Bibendus | btw I understand |
| 23:05.18 | Iiris_Frost | need to do it for marine and zealot |
| 23:05.23 | Bibendus | the shitty thing with marines that stand shoot while moving :P |
| 23:05.23 | Tolkfan | I have a new found respect for animators after trying (and failing) to work with source filmmaker :] |
| 23:05.38 | Iiris_Frost | and I'd like to keep the import size low |
| 23:05.44 | Bibendus | Maybe it would not be too hard |
| 23:05.47 | Bibendus | to mix 2 animations together |
| 23:06.03 | Bibendus | import size will be the same model copied |
| 23:06.08 | Bibendus | a bit bigger |
| 23:06.18 | Iiris_Frost | look at the civilian, he has a custom animation for scared walk |
| 23:06.58 | Bibendus | oh custom animations in a different file you mean |
| 23:07.03 | Vail|Gone | until the art tools are released there is a blender plugin that lets you export m3a files |
| 23:07.21 | Taintedwisp | WHAT WHAT WHAT!!!!! |
| 23:07.22 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 23:07.30 | Bibendus | u haz to wait the art tools :D |
| 23:07.40 | Iiris_Frost | sadly Vailreth, I'm not a modeler or animator |
| 23:07.45 | Taintedwisp | okay, I guess I need to start working on the map, Finnaly got everything I thik... here situated |
| 23:08.08 | Taintedwisp | Hmm |
| 23:08.41 | Taintedwisp | So then, How do I do this ability... hmm or should I change the firebats ability |
| 23:09.10 | Taintedwisp | Yoi vailreth, you made any changes to your maps terrain? |
| 23:09.35 | Vailreth | not since last night |
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| 23:10.15 | Taintedwisp | Yeah, have been staying busy the past few days |
| 23:10.19 | Bibendus | where is helral damnit :P |
| 23:10.19 | Bibendus | mighyt god of cats appear! |
| 23:10.32 | Bibendus | the rite didn't work |
| 23:10.35 | Bibendus | should I use the goats? |
| 23:10.42 | Vailreth | mice... |
| 23:10.45 | Vailreth | and catnip |
| 23:10.52 | Bibendus | oh k |
| 23:15.31 | Bibendus | how the hell do I center a dialog |
| 23:15.35 | Bibendus | with triggers it's soo easy :| |
| 23:19.51 | Iiris_Frost | Feels like its impossible to find modelers and animators |
| 23:21.13 | Vailreth | make an animation for a man you help him mod a game, teach a man to animate and you help a man mod abunch of them |
| 23:22.56 | Bibendus | mexa |
| 23:22.58 | Bibendus | should be a modeler |
| 23:23.02 | Bibendus | but he's not here |
| 23:23.43 | Iiris_Frost | I'm not a modeler or animator |
| 23:24.24 | Vailreth | but you could Learn to be one |
| 23:24.29 | Iiris_Frost | no |
| 23:24.47 | Vailreth | why not? |
| 23:25.14 | Iiris_Frost | I don't have 3DS max |
| 23:26.17 | Vailreth | if you are s student high school or college you should be able to get a free liscense for a year or so and ontop of that there are free programs that can get you started and have third party importer exporters |
| 23:27.20 | Iiris_Frost | I'm not in school. and I don't have $600 for a program |
| 23:28.07 | Vailreth | there are free alternatives as well |
| 23:28.09 | Iiris_Frost | my bad, its $4000 |
| 23:28.49 | Vailreth | Blender for instance, completely free... has a good importer exporter addon |
| 23:29.13 | Iiris_Frost | you know for a fact Startools will be for 3DS only |
| 23:29.55 | Iiris_Frost | plus I only need 2 animations |
| 23:29.56 | Vailreth | yes the Offical tools will be 3ds only but there are thirdparty tools that can do what you want already |
| 23:31.12 | Vailreth | you may only need the two right now but with the knowledge you could gain you could be free to make many more as you want |
| 23:32.15 | Iiris_Frost | it will be a very long time before I'll need custom models for my map |
| 23:32.37 | Vailreth | you would have that time to learn to make and animate them |
| 23:32.38 | Iiris_Frost | besides modeling and animating takes years to learn |
| 23:33.00 | Iiris_Frost | i need to spend that time working on the map |
| 23:33.15 | Vailreth | not really maybe six months apiece to get a good foundation of the basics |
| 23:33.34 | Vailreth | and thats only two hours aday three days aweek |
| 23:34.03 | Iiris_Frost | plus I spend all my time working on the mod itself |
| 23:35.48 | Vailreth | you are looking at only 288 hours if you dedicate your self to learning the basics of modeling and animation, but if you are not willing to spare the time to learn for your self i cant help you |
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| 23:36.24 | tordy | good evening friends and comrades |
| 23:38.48 | Vailreth | hello tordy |
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