| 00:40.09 | Vailreth | rawr |
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| 01:24.06 | Taintedwisp | So vailreth hows your Fruit guy coming? |
| 01:25.26 | Vailreth | ok i think i am taking a break right now |
| 01:29.50 | Vailreth | have you checked out the version i uploaded today? it has the fruit bot in it and it wanders around spawning power up fruits. hp energy stim buff or 100 exp depending on the fruit which are apples, bananas, grapes and pineapples |
| 01:30.51 | Vailreth | ive spent most of the day looking for funny instrumental music to play when it spawns ... |
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| 01:56.23 | Taintedwisp | :P nice |
| 01:56.31 | Taintedwisp | Ill check it out in a little bit |
| 01:56.37 | Vailreth | ok |
| 02:00.50 | Duqqwingz | Taintedwisp, why did you think I'm from New Jersey love? |
| 02:01.04 | Taintedwisp | Wow.. that was a late response.. |
| 02:01.05 | Taintedwisp | hahah |
| 02:01.07 | Taintedwisp | I just hit the Whois |
| 02:01.18 | Taintedwisp | didnt know it ment other things |
| 02:02.46 | Vailreth | the server you are on Tainted is in Corvallis OR... |
| 02:04.04 | Taintedwisp | ahh |
| 02:04.05 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 02:04.19 | Taintedwisp | You know what im hearing? |
| 02:04.22 | Taintedwisp | DEVILTRY I SAY |
| 02:04.47 | Vailreth | gives me an idea for a new fake band |
| 02:05.10 | Vailreth | i already have a fake band named Thy Crown ... and now Deviltree... |
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| 02:17.39 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
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| 06:59.11 | Repo | New asset: Taurus´s Collection - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/tauruss-collection/ |
| 06:59.11 | Repo | New asset: Devourer3DSMaxModel - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/devourer3dsmaxmodel/ |
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| 08:58.55 | soulcarverr | anybody here? |
| 09:20.00 | soulcarverr | anybody home? |
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| 09:49.06 | soulcarverr | anybody home? |
| 10:00.59 | ducky | nope, no-one at all |
| 10:01.36 | ducky | btw, that spacewar tribute beam is pretty cool |
| 10:02.14 | ducky | *very cool actually =D |
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| 10:06.23 | soulcarverr | glad you like |
| 10:06.53 | soulcarverr | what is the actor message to send to speed how how fast a beam model will play out its particle effects |
| 10:07.27 | soulcarverr | I want to speed up the ammount of time it takes for a beam to complete its particles animations |
| 10:08.38 | ducky | No idea, I know you can set time it takes for animation to play, but not sure if it applies to beams |
| 10:11.07 | soulcarverr | the best looking models for that beam ..... leave too many particles behind |
| 10:14.37 | ducky | have you tried destroying particles through actor message or that won't look like you want it to look? |
| 10:16.57 | soulcarverr | Im looking into that sort of thing now |
| 10:19.38 | ducky | what beam model are you using? |
| 10:21.02 | soulcarverr | laser drill tripod bigger attack beam |
| 10:21.03 | soulcarverr | lol |
| 10:21.08 | soulcarverr | it looks pretty sick |
| 10:21.23 | soulcarverr | but lags the fuck outta the game with particle trails |
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| 10:48.28 | Kueken | A delicious morning to all of you. |
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| 10:54.48 | Bommes | @soulcarverr there aren't many ways at all to influence particles via actor messages |
| 10:55.14 | Bommes | changing the model animation speed changes them |
| 10:55.20 | Bommes | and you can destroy them |
| 10:58.04 | Kueken | yep, to directly influence particles you will need to use 3ds max |
| 10:58.39 | Kueken | however, particles will be lost on importing the .m3 models to max |
| 10:58.50 | Kueken | you can re-add them, though |
| 10:58.55 | Kueken | and they will work |
| 10:59.31 | Kueken | to my knowledge, at least, I am no modeler, didn't test it myself |
| 11:31.14 | soulcarverr | i cant seem to effect the particles by changing animation speeds |
| 11:31.20 | soulcarverr | i may just be doing it wrong |
| 11:31.50 | soulcarverr | take the warbot beam for example..... its pure particles |
| 11:32.14 | soulcarverr | but they dont seem to fade faster when I change the timing on anything through actor messages |
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| 13:15.28 | soulcarverr | anybody help |
| 13:15.32 | soulcarverr | home? |
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| 13:19.08 | Bommes | there is a model flag |
| 13:19.27 | Bommes | "Freeze Particles on Animation Pause" or something |
| 13:19.39 | Bommes | I think if you check that animation speed will affect particles |
| 13:20.32 | soulcarverr | oh hi |
| 13:21.16 | Bommes | I don |
| 13:21.20 | Bommes | I don't think they fade faster though |
| 13:21.45 | soulcarverr | if anything they fade faster but spawn faster |
| 13:22.06 | soulcarverr | I need a custom beam model |
| 13:22.06 | Bommes | I experimented a lot with the Smoke Medium model |
| 13:22.18 | soulcarverr | Ive read your post |
| 13:22.26 | Bommes | and if I changed the animatino speed there it had some weird effects on it, like the particles going higher etc. |
| 13:22.38 | Bommes | but they don't fade faster afair |
| 13:23.27 | soulcarverr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3jNb74LtK0&feature=player_embedded |
| 13:24.15 | Bommes | what model is that btw? looks really cool |
| 13:26.36 | soulcarverr | its the warbot beam |
| 13:26.47 | soulcarverr | same thing as the hellion |
| 13:26.53 | soulcarverr | but bigger |
| 13:27.23 | Bommes | ah :) |
| 13:27.24 | Bibendus | ! |
| 13:27.26 | Bibendus | finally |
| 13:27.31 | Bibendus | the game I was searching for |
| 13:27.38 | Bibendus | is it the one where you can custom your shots? |
| 13:28.05 | Bibendus | soulcarverr! |
| 13:28.27 | soulcarverr | hmm? |
| 13:28.39 | Bibendus | is that the game where you can customize your shots |
| 13:28.41 | Bibendus | ? |
| 13:28.43 | soulcarverr | cant customize them much at the momemt |
| 13:28.49 | Bibendus | yep |
| 13:28.57 | Bibendus | because I was thinking that this game mechanic would be great on a sc2 map |
| 13:28.58 | Bibendus | :P |
| 13:29.09 | soulcarverr | i mean |
| 13:29.13 | soulcarverr | it takes a stringg |
| 13:29.17 | soulcarverr | for the model used |
| 13:29.31 | soulcarverr | so itd be easy to change that thing.... |
| 13:29.48 | Bibendus | but what was the original game |
| 13:29.55 | soulcarverr | raiden |
| 13:29.56 | soulcarverr | ? |
| 13:30.08 | soulcarverr | thats what i know it as |
| 13:30.23 | Bibendus | raiden is the shot I think |
| 13:30.33 | Bibendus | I remember there was a space game |
| 13:30.37 | Bibendus | where you can customize your shots |
| 13:30.43 | Bibendus | it's kinda recent |
| 13:30.50 | soulcarverr | i dont know it |
| 13:30.53 | soulcarverr | sorry |
| 13:30.55 | Bibendus | :| |
| 13:31.04 | Bibendus | and I tought it was it |
| 13:31.09 | Bibendus | then I noticed the bars and buttons of sc2 :D |
| 13:31.35 | Bibendus | btw the problem I see is |
| 13:31.38 | Bibendus | mouse click |
| 13:31.41 | Bibendus | and keyboard movement |
| 13:31.43 | Bibendus | I suppose |
| 13:31.45 | Bibendus | gg b.net :| |
| 13:31.54 | soulcarverr | its not so bad really |
| 13:33.09 | soulcarverr | my map has built in input speed reduction so |
| 13:33.48 | Ahli | how is that? |
| 13:33.50 | soulcarverr | its slower paced control wise |
| 13:34.12 | Kueken | novas mind control beam, I believe |
| 13:34.24 | Kueken | ah, nvm, scrolled way up |
| 13:34.25 | Kueken | -.- |
| 13:34.30 | Kueken | and was already answered |
| 13:37.00 | soulcarverr | Ahli to answer your question..... button inputs apply behaviors and the behaviors last for a duration..... The game engine detects the behaviors and does stuff...... so it keeps doing stuff after you release teh button for a bit of time |
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| 15:14.48 | ckSynergy | anyone here? |
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| 15:25.04 | ckSynergy | hey caz |
| 15:25.08 | caz | o/ |
| 15:25.10 | caz | sup |
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| 15:27.50 | caz | ckSynergy: first preset starts at 0, right? |
| 15:28.46 | ckSynergy | yes |
| 15:29.13 | ckSynergy | integer presets start at 0 |
| 15:29.42 | caz | i discontinued my work around for pointers nd such because the editor made it look so ugly and so much had to be project specific it just wasnt going to be easily used/reusable |
| 15:30.14 | caz | so im biting the bullet on this one and working with the bs limitations |
| 15:31.34 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 15:31.51 | ckSynergy | again, havent found any limitations in the editor so far |
| 15:32.01 | ckSynergy | also, it makes it much easier to understand |
| 15:32.33 | ckSynergy | I tried to make pointers for the longest, and when I finally took the time to learn presets and all you could do in functions, I realized I was trying to overcomplicate things |
| 15:33.47 | ckSynergy | besides, presets work as a kind of pointer lol |
| 15:34.08 | caz | only when ur working with a single array of that data type |
| 15:34.16 | caz | more than 1 array means u need more htan one function to do the same thing |
| 15:34.25 | caz | the second function works on theo ther array |
| 15:35.15 | caz | with actual pointers.. one function could work on any record anywhere.. didnt matter if it was a single, from array1, or from array 10,000 .... |
| 15:35.26 | caz | u just needed the pointer to that record |
| 15:35.41 | caz | now to get that "pointer" as a preset u need to know 1 or more indexes and which array the record is in |
| 15:35.51 | caz | thus, array specific functions |
| 15:36.08 | caz | and multiple indexes instead of 1 address if u have multidimensional array of ur records |
| 15:36.21 | caz | pointers are still the best and least limited option |
| 15:36.53 | caz | its easier to talk about it now that ive been forced to work on it your way heh |
| 15:37.45 | caz | right now i have 2 arrays |
| 15:37.52 | caz | playerCards |
| 15:37.57 | caz | databaseCards |
| 15:38.23 | caz | every card function has to be duplicated to work with both arrays |
| 15:38.37 | ckSynergy | hmm |
| 15:39.03 | caz | well there are 2 options |
| 15:39.06 | caz | 2 functions |
| 15:39.11 | caz | "SetDbCard" |
| 15:39.17 | caz | "SetPlyrCard" |
| 15:39.19 | caz | OR |
| 15:39.22 | caz | have one SetCard |
| 15:39.27 | caz | where u pass ANOTHER parameter |
| 15:39.32 | caz | telling it which array its from |
| 15:39.36 | caz | and it has to use if logic to sort it out |
| 15:39.45 | caz | either way... its not as easily done |
| 15:39.50 | caz | as it should be :P |
| 15:40.04 | ckSynergy | my programming senses tell me that's still overcomplicating it lol |
| 15:40.05 | caz | SetCard(ptrToCard) <---- should be ! |
| 15:40.17 | caz | how can i be over complicating it ? |
| 15:40.21 | caz | 2 arrays |
| 15:40.24 | caz | need to set card data |
| 15:41.13 | ckSynergy | may I see your functions? |
| 15:41.23 | caz | i dont use script so thats harder to paste |
| 15:41.31 | ckSynergy | galaxy? |
| 15:41.36 | caz | i use gui |
| 15:41.39 | ckSynergy | ditto |
| 15:41.43 | caz | sec |
| 15:41.47 | Helral | meow |
| 15:41.52 | ckSynergy | just select the entire function, right click, copy as text |
| 15:41.54 | caz | o/ Helral |
| 15:41.57 | ckSynergy | and pastebin it somewhere |
| 15:42.01 | caz | k |
| 15:42.02 | ckSynergy | hi Helral |
| 15:42.09 | Helral | meows |
| 15:42.20 | caz | which function u want ? |
| 15:42.30 | ckSynergy | any you want me to look at |
| 15:42.40 | ckSynergy | preferably all that are interconnected |
| 15:43.03 | caz | i'll show "SetDbCard" |
| 15:43.06 | caz | simplest thing |
| 15:43.07 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 15:43.24 | ckSynergy | whatever you want me to review lol |
| 15:44.25 | caz | http://pastebin.com/Xqmt88tu |
| 15:44.35 | caz | nothing rly just dont know why u think its less powerful than pointers |
| 15:44.46 | caz | why u dont think its less powerful* |
| 15:45.31 | ckSynergy | Its neither more or less powerful than pointers |
| 15:45.41 | ckSynergy | Its just different |
| 15:45.52 | ckSynergy | Have you done much data work? |
| 15:46.28 | ckSynergy | BTW, If I had to guess, it looks like a MTG card game lol |
| 15:46.43 | caz | it is |
| 15:46.50 | caz | we didnt get to that last time |
| 15:46.51 | caz | cuz i had to go |
| 15:47.06 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 15:47.15 | caz | ? |
| 15:47.15 | ckSynergy | well then |
| 15:47.17 | Helral | hmmmm no artifacts? |
| 15:47.29 | Helral | ;p |
| 15:47.43 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 15:47.56 | caz | colorless is there so ya :P |
| 15:48.08 | caz | they say artifacts dont have to be colorless but ive never seen one thats not >.> |
| 15:48.32 | Helral | morphed morph creatures are colorless ;p |
| 15:48.42 | Helral | but they're not artifacts ;p |
| 15:48.48 | caz | but i have very VERY low data knowledge and i'll need alot more to finish the project |
| 15:48.50 | caz | so to answer you |
| 15:48.56 | caz | ckSynergy: no... not rly data at all |
| 15:49.17 | caz | and to me having to make an ew function for every fucking array |
| 15:49.19 | caz | is not "different" |
| 15:49.22 | caz | its limited |
| 15:49.23 | caz | =P |
| 15:49.59 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 15:50.19 | ckSynergy | well I was going to use a referance term, but I see that would be pointless |
| 15:50.30 | caz | reference term? |
| 15:51.03 | ckSynergy | nevermind |
| 15:51.07 | caz | .... |
| 15:51.10 | caz | why is it pointless :I |
| 15:51.24 | ckSynergy | if you dont know data its pointless |
| 15:51.36 | caz | >:I |
| 15:51.44 | caz | it wouldnt help this any i imagine |
| 15:51.45 | ckSynergy | basically, galaxy/GUI doesnt feed functions into one another. Instead, it acts more like actors do with objects |
| 15:52.19 | ckSynergy | In anycase, since I know the card game, Im trying to think how it would best be done |
| 15:52.44 | ckSynergy | how is your database of cards stored? |
| 15:52.47 | ckSynergy | a table? |
| 15:53.03 | caz | array |
| 15:53.11 | caz | hence what i just showed u |
| 15:53.22 | ckSynergy | ok, one second |
| 15:53.40 | caz | i havent used a 'table' |
| 15:54.33 | ckSynergy | so, let me get this straight, you have a DB of cards, and you want to be able to assign players a unique card from the DB |
| 15:54.56 | caz | already doing that... just annoying to use 2 functions :P |
| 15:55.13 | ckSynergy | So we use a preset called "DBCards", and set the values to "Card 1", "Card 2", "Card 3", etc |
| 15:55.28 | Helral | do the player cards differ from the db crads? |
| 15:55.34 | Helral | db cards* |
| 15:55.39 | caz | card1 card2 card3? ... |
| 15:55.44 | caz | u realize there will be 300+ cards :I |
| 15:55.44 | ckSynergy | your card names |
| 15:55.56 | ckSynergy | and? |
| 15:56.06 | ckSynergy | all the more reason to use presets |
| 15:56.14 | caz | no need for that |
| 15:56.17 | caz | card1 is just 0 |
| 15:56.34 | Helral | caz: do the player cards differ from the db cards? |
| 15:56.49 | caz | player cards can ONLY be copies of database cards |
| 15:56.53 | ckSynergy | caz, trust me on this, presets will do wonders for you |
| 15:56.55 | caz | database is the "legal card set" |
| 15:57.06 | caz | ckSynergy i understand and im using them.. just not for that lol |
| 15:57.11 | Helral | caz: reference the db array then. |
| 15:57.22 | ckSynergy | ^ |
| 15:57.29 | caz | reference the db array ? |
| 15:57.45 | Helral | player card: IndexOfDbArray: 15 |
| 15:57.56 | caz | u mean an array of ints |
| 15:58.10 | caz | or there is an actual reference variable? |
| 15:58.23 | Helral | just mean ints (the indexes) |
| 15:59.02 | caz | i had considered it... but there a player card can change |
| 15:59.04 | caz | db cards cant |
| 15:59.12 | Helral | how do you mean change? |
| 15:59.33 | caz | player cards are initialized to db values... but through play, the zone they are in changes, damage, power, toughness, +1/+1 counters |
| 15:59.34 | caz | etc etc |
| 16:00.19 | caz | when the game starts they must be a copy of a database card to be valid |
| 16:00.26 | muzzy | custom maps forum is useless, i should've just posted something on reddit instead and would've gotten 100x more views guaranteed |
| 16:00.27 | caz | but i have to be able ot alter them through play |
| 16:00.40 | ckSynergy | caz: you can do that |
| 16:00.42 | Helral | so basically you have: PlayerCard[DbIndex: 15; Counters: 3; ....] |
| 16:01.00 | caz | cant do that either |
| 16:01.07 | caz | the player can have up to 4 copies of any DB card |
| 16:01.09 | caz | DB contains 1 copy |
| 16:01.52 | ckSynergy | once a card is used is that limit retained or reset |
| 16:01.54 | caz | @muzzy: For (each player in forum viewing your last msg): Ignore=true |
| 16:02.26 | Helral | pCardSet[0] = PlayerCard[Index:15; PowerAdj: -1; ToughnessAdj:+1], pCardSet[1] = PlayerCard[Index:15], pCardSet[2] = ... |
| 16:03.48 | ckSynergy | side thought, I wish I could compare two validators together |
| 16:03.59 | caz | Helral: hard time following that one |
| 16:04.09 | Helral | basically the playerCards reference the dbSet and have their own set of adjustments that go upon the default values. more then 1 player card can reference the same db card (max 4 times, check restriction upon creation of playerCard) |
| 16:04.54 | caz | id rather not add variables for adjustments when i already have THOSE variables available for chagne |
| 16:04.58 | caz | would be redundant to have |
| 16:05.02 | caz | power, poweradj |
| 16:05.06 | caz | tough, toughAdj |
| 16:06.12 | Helral | caz: the difference between power at the player-card-value or poweradj is the need to copy the value or not. |
| 16:07.10 | Helral | if you want to copy it, you can just do this for that: CreatePlayerCard(int IndexDbCard); which would then need to read all info from the DbCard and set it into the PlayerCard. |
| 16:07.16 | caz | what is the issue with having the player cards actually be cards ? lol |
| 16:07.28 | Helral | nothing ;p |
| 16:07.33 | caz | thats what i was planning to do :I |
| 16:07.35 | caz | but |
| 16:07.58 | Helral | ok so what is then the problem.... ? |
| 16:08.03 | caz | still... always wish i had real pointers... index text (especially when pretending to be pointers) gets so ugly to me |
| 16:08.09 | caz | and so specific to individual arrays |
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| 16:09.56 | Taintedwisp | Hey everyone |
| 16:10.23 | Taintedwisp | Yo vailreth, you wanted me to check something out about the fruit bot?, I tried did I need to place the bot or something for it to work? |
| 16:10.45 | ckSynergy | @PlayerCards array(6): powerdj (int), touchAdj (int); @DBCards array(300): Power, toughness, color; Preset<Cards>: "Ultralisk Card","Zombie Card","Marine Card","Zealot Card"; function "SetDBCards" (Preset<Cards>, power, toughness, color); function "SetPlayerCards" (Preset<Cards>) Pick Each (PlayerCard) if (card in "graveyard") then If card = DBCards["UltraliskCard"] Set PlayerCard[PickedCard] |
| 16:10.45 | ckSynergy | = blah |
| 16:10.51 | Taintedwisp | HAHA |
| 16:10.54 | Taintedwisp | Good.. |
| 16:10.55 | Taintedwisp | Good |
| 16:11.02 | Taintedwisp | I dont even know what it means... |
| 16:11.03 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 16:11.14 | ckSynergy | something along those lines |
| 16:11.33 | Taintedwisp | You making a card game? |
| 16:11.51 | Taintedwisp | The word cards appears around 15 times thats why im asking :P |
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| 16:11.59 | ckSynergy | erm, I screwed up that last bit but you get the idea |
| 16:12.45 | Taintedwisp | ck, for pasteing triggers, Pastebin is your friend, it allows you to keep the format |
| 16:13.10 | ckSynergy | I wasnt pasting anything lol |
| 16:13.16 | Taintedwisp | oh |
| 16:13.18 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 16:13.25 | Taintedwisp | nice then youcan remember that off the top of your head |
| 16:13.34 | Taintedwisp | Or atleast think it up like that |
| 16:13.37 | ckSynergy | considering I just made it up, yea |
| 16:14.12 | caz | lol |
| 16:14.16 | caz | long line ot have to type |
| 16:14.24 | caz | well done in perseverance either way ! |
| 16:14.27 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 16:15.39 | ckSynergy | modify units is an amazing effect :P |
| 16:16.15 | ckSynergy | if only it wasnt so bloody limited lol |
| 16:18.27 | ckSynergy | hmmm maybe its not limited... |
| 16:23.29 | caz | *blank face* |
| 16:23.31 | caz | it is limited |
| 16:23.34 | caz | :P |
| 16:24.35 | ckSynergy | lol if you say so |
| 16:26.14 | Helral | meows |
| 16:26.41 | Helral | there are fields that cannot be adjusted using triggers. |
| 16:32.31 | ckSynergy | be nice if data fields were a little easier to figure out |
| 16:33.58 | Helral | hmmm? what you mean easier to figure out? |
| 16:37.36 | Taintedwisp | Helral love man cat booty |
| 16:37.40 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 16:37.56 | Helral | meows questionably |
| 16:38.13 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 16:42.02 | Taintedwisp | Guess i have to find a new triggerer, Its hard to find someone who is Excited about a project though :P |
| 16:53.13 | ckSynergy | Im excited about projects :) |
| 16:53.34 | ckSynergy | or by "excited" do you mean "wants to work for free on" |
| 16:59.46 | Taintedwisp | hahaahah |
| 17:00.08 | ckSynergy | although, you do have me curious |
| 17:00.10 | Taintedwisp | Not only that.. I mean wants to see the project completed so they can see some of their ideas in action |
| 17:00.13 | ckSynergy | what project is this exactly? |
| 17:00.18 | Taintedwisp | Evolution Frenzy |
| 17:00.19 | ckSynergy | that you constantly need a triggerer for |
| 17:00.27 | Taintedwisp | We just constantly loose triggerers |
| 17:00.28 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 17:00.36 | Taintedwisp | There isnt much Trigger work.. i think thats why |
| 17:00.52 | Taintedwisp | Its like one or 2 things every now and then |
| 17:01.25 | Taintedwisp | Most of whats left is just altering the triggers already in place |
| 17:01.31 | Taintedwisp | but there will be some new stuff too |
| 17:02.46 | Taintedwisp | Right now the project consist of Vailreth and myself |
| 17:02.55 | Taintedwisp | WaintedTisp? |
| 17:02.59 | Taintedwisp | good to know im your hero |
| 17:03.07 | Waintedtisp | YOU CAN BE MY HERO BABY |
| 17:03.11 | Waintedtisp | YOU CAN TAKE AWAY MY PAIN |
| 17:03.14 | Waintedtisp | YOU WILL STAND BY ME FOREVER |
| 17:03.19 | Waintedtisp | YOU CAN TAKE MY BREATH AWAY |
| 17:04.00 | Taintedwisp | Too bad your homosexual though... suck... sorry to hear that haha |
| 17:04.15 | Waintedtisp | you're* |
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| 17:05.17 | tordy | hello friends |
| 17:05.22 | Taintedwisp | Hey tardy |
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| 17:13.25 | zenxu | anoying when people state a bug but not when or how it occured |
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| 17:16.34 | ckSynergy | no joke |
| 17:17.06 | Helral | zenxu, I found a bug ;p |
| 17:17.15 | zenxu | good |
| 17:17.24 | Helral | it's dead though.... |
| 17:17.32 | zenxu | :/ |
| 17:17.45 | Helral | it walked beneath my feet.... not my fault. |
| 17:17.58 | Taintedwisp | Ill tell you what caused the bug Zenxu |
| 17:18.06 | Taintedwisp | THAT DAMN SASQUATCH!!! |
| 17:18.47 | tordy | hello my name is mr burns |
| 17:18.50 | tordy | i believe you ahve a lette for me |
| 17:18.50 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 17:19.45 | ckSynergy | ok there has got to be a better method for this... |
| 17:23.56 | caz | of course not |
| 17:23.58 | caz | its too limited |
| 17:23.59 | caz | -troll |
| 17:25.25 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 17:25.46 | ckSynergy | the only limitations to the editor are the ones you place upon yourself -words to live by |
| 17:26.57 | Waintedtisp | THat is so stupid. |
| 17:27.25 | zenxu | is that tainteds brother or something |
| 17:27.30 | zenxu | or a fan |
| 17:27.40 | Kueken | I would guess, its Lajla |
| 17:27.45 | tordy | Taintedwisp: is a Waintedtisp |
| 17:28.37 | Kueken | Nick: Waintedtisp |
| 17:28.37 | Kueken | User: ~Lajla@2001:0:5ef5:79fd:34d4:172f:ae33:eb94 |
| 17:28.39 | Kueken | :) |
| 17:29.19 | tordy | crackheads and debutantes |
| 17:30.42 | Taintedwisp | lolo |
| 17:30.53 | Taintedwisp | yeah I figured it was Lajla |
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| 17:55.58 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | hey fellow mappers i have either a request for tutorial or just would like to know how to do: How do you do random dungeon map generation in a small area for example i would like to know how ahli did it in his mortal shroud map any advise would be great |
| 17:57.06 | Helral | several options. |
| 17:57.29 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | go on |
| 17:57.35 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | i wluld liek a trigger solution |
| 17:57.38 | Helral | 1. spider (generate a starting area, then pick a point at the wall and continue generating) |
| 17:57.54 | Helral | 2. wall generation |
| 17:58.07 | Helral | everything is open and you just randomly generate walls. |
| 17:58.20 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | i just want the walls generated |
| 17:58.24 | Helral | keeping a route accessible. |
| 17:58.27 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | i have the area defined |
| 17:58.31 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | yes |
| 17:58.41 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | like multiple rooms |
| 17:59.05 | Ahli | I'm creating rooms. room has wall around and floor in the middle. then I pick a wall and check if I can add a room to it into a direction. |
| 17:59.49 | Helral | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/2407-helrals-random-dungeon-map/#p7 <-- the method I used. |
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| 18:00.02 | Taintedwisp | Yo vailreth, you workin on the map today? if not imma do some Merc Stuff |
| 18:00.40 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | ok helral will this work with my current set up |
| 18:01.10 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | lets say i define a jail nothing in it run your dungeon creator it will be able to make the walls in side the defined area |
| 18:01.29 | Helral | my method isn't wall generation. |
| 18:01.36 | Helral | it's a spider method. |
| 18:01.40 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | ok |
| 18:01.51 | Helral | and seems like Ahli also used spider. |
| 18:02.04 | Bommes | Hmm |
| 18:02.28 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | helral is yours trigger solution or data |
| 18:02.32 | Vailreth | Taintedwisp feel free |
| 18:02.41 | Bommes | Adding sounds to something and then not remembering what actor message/trigger fires that sound is bullshit |
| 18:02.58 | Helral | trigger made by placing units as walls. |
| 18:03.02 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | sweet |
| 18:03.03 | Bommes | *drives mad from undeletable sounds* |
| 18:03.11 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | i can define the unit it places right |
| 18:04.18 | Helral | take a look in the map and see. if you can't figure out what the code does then it's better not to use it but to write something yourself. |
| 18:04.37 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | ok ty ill play with it and see if i can implement it |
| 18:04.50 | Taintedwisp | sweet alright Vail ill start on that later |
| 18:05.36 | Bommes | ah, found it |
| 18:06.03 | Bommes | I should really stop using Signals to randomly spread create actor events everywhere |
| 18:06.12 | Bommes | thats really nothing worthwhile |
| 18:06.38 | Ahli | how would one create random dungeons with data? :S |
| 18:06.50 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | idk |
| 18:06.58 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | was just wondering |
| 18:07.09 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | im not quite sure what the data editor can do |
| 18:07.19 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | rofl |
| 18:07.28 | caz | data is generally like preseting values/actions |
| 18:07.37 | caz | anything dynamic is triggers |
| 18:07.41 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | ok |
| 18:07.46 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | thanks caz |
| 18:08.27 | ckSynergy | caz: not necessaraly true |
| 18:08.50 | caz | its true enough |
| 18:08.55 | ckSynergy | I suppose |
| 18:09.16 | caz | im sure u can add some logic like.. how a missile responds to particular collisions or time based scenarios |
| 18:09.19 | Vailreth | hey ck |
| 18:09.27 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | helral i loaded up this map and it exactly what i was looking for thanks |
| 18:09.47 | ckSynergy | hey vail |
| 18:09.56 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | i might use the inventory aswell |
| 18:10.26 | Bommes | I guess you can make random dungeons with the data editor, but it would be a pretty stupid use of the data editor and unnecessarily ridiculously complicated |
| 18:11.19 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | i have one question helral |
| 18:11.41 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | how is this on resources lets say it generates alot of walls and monsters |
| 18:12.29 | Helral | hmmm I've never bothered much which looking at the resources, so can't say. |
| 18:13.12 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRX | well i was just thinking since the walls are units they might take up a bit of resources |
| 18:14.12 | Vailreth | Oh tainted i may need to up date the mapfile with my level up actor changes ... |
| 18:14.30 | ckSynergy | Ok, im having a stupid moment. I have an effect that cast on a source unit. If thats a success I want to cast effect2 on target unit, otherwise I want the whole effect to cancel. I cant seem to remember how to chain the effects together though. |
| 18:14.47 | Taintedwisp | okie |
| 18:14.49 | Taintedwisp | go for it |
| 18:14.51 | ckSynergy | Set and periodic effects arent working |
| 18:14.54 | Taintedwisp | I havent opend the mapyet :P |
| 18:15.09 | Taintedwisp | Finishing some stuff one the game im playing, then imma get to it |
| 18:15.14 | Taintedwisp | Start on the Mercenaries |
| 18:15.18 | Vailreth | ok |
| 18:15.21 | Taintedwisp | They are going to be simple units |
| 18:16.52 | Vailreth | ok |
| 18:18.31 | Taintedwisp | The mercs are just going to be Units in bundles or prob 10, that you can buy that Heal your units, or debuff the enemy units stuff like that |
| 18:19.12 | Vailreth | i see |
| 18:19.51 | Taintedwisp | they are a simple mechanic that can sway the battle, unlike in marine arena where they are a new spawn of units that rule the battle |
| 18:21.34 | Vailreth | ah |
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| 18:40.48 | Taintedwisp | FACK |
| 18:40.50 | Taintedwisp | DAMMIT |
| 18:40.54 | Taintedwisp | The editor crashed... |
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| 18:48.52 | ckSynergy|AFK | anyone here? |
| 18:48.58 | Bommes | kind of |
| 18:49.13 | ckSynergy | hey Bommes, youre familiar with data right? |
| 18:49.36 | Bommes | parts of it |
| 18:49.40 | Bommes | i guess |
| 18:49.41 | Kueken1 | he answered the question, before you asked it °° |
| 18:49.55 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 18:50.09 | Bommes | hm? |
| 18:50.15 | Helral | he knew what you were going to ask before you asked it O.o |
| 18:50.22 | Kueken1 | °,° |
| 18:50.29 | ckSynergy | I have an ability that casts Effect A, if effect A is cast, I want to chain on Effect B, if Effect A fails, Effect B fails as well. Any ideas how to go about this? |
| 18:50.55 | Kueken1 | how can a fail? |
| 18:51.12 | ckSynergy | different target and validators |
| 18:51.21 | ckSynergy | Effect A is a modify (source) unit effect |
| 18:51.25 | Kueken1 | use a set with a and b |
| 18:51.32 | Kueken1 | and validate the set |
| 18:51.34 | tordy | hello |
| 18:51.57 | Bommes | I mean you don't really have to chain anything, there are just 2 cases, either the spell succeeds or the spell fails |
| 18:52.02 | Bommes | in the first case everything fires |
| 18:52.06 | Bommes | and in the second case everything fails? |
| 18:52.15 | Bommes | or do I misunderstand it |
| 18:52.23 | Kueken1 | thats how I understand it as well |
| 18:52.37 | ckSynergy | not exactly |
| 18:52.49 | ckSynergy | because B is dependant on A firing |
| 18:52.57 | Kueken1 | ? |
| 18:53.16 | Kueken1 | how is that different from saying a and b always fire at the same time or not at all? |
| 18:53.22 | ckSynergy | ok, let me put it like this. My modify unit effect controls the spells cost (minerals, energy, cooldown, etc) |
| 18:53.31 | Kueken1 | is there any case where a or b could fire separately? |
| 18:53.40 | Bommes | so |
| 18:53.40 | ckSynergy | the other effect is say, a damage spell, that targets a unit |
| 18:53.48 | Bommes | the unit can use B anyway? |
| 18:53.57 | Bommes | just under different circumstances |
| 18:54.02 | ckSynergy | now, when I fire my ability, I need the modify unit effect to apply before the damage effect is applied |
| 18:54.16 | ckSynergy | but if the modify unit effect doesnt trigger, I need B to fail |
| 18:54.47 | ckSynergy | as it stands, B will execute regardless, because if A fails it just doesnt change the ability's casting cost |
| 18:54.47 | Kueken1 | and you use validators to check, if you have enough resources etc |
| 18:55.01 | Kueken1 | right? |
| 18:55.23 | ckSynergy | thing is the modify unit effect is dependant on the target |
| 18:55.40 | ckSynergy | so if the target is a marine, the cooldown is 10. if the target is an immortal, the cooldown is 45 |
| 18:56.09 | Kueken1 | controlled by a huge switch effect? |
| 18:56.22 | ckSynergy | kinda |
| 18:56.26 | ckSynergy | its not that big |
| 18:56.31 | Kueken1 | okay |
| 18:56.52 | ckSynergy | and I can refine it more once I figure out how to activate the cost effect before it fires off the damage effect |
| 18:57.17 | Kueken1 | so the mana costs vary as well |
| 18:57.23 | ckSynergy | the cost effect activates fine alone. I cant target the specific units if the cost of targeting is > whats available |
| 18:57.24 | Kueken1 | *energy |
| 18:57.45 | ckSynergy | but soon as I tack on another set or persistant or anything, it just reverts to the default if the requirements are met, which results in no cost |
| 18:57.54 | ckSynergy | yes |
| 18:58.00 | Kueken1 | okay |
| 18:58.07 | ckSynergy | lets say a marine cost is 10 and an immortal cost is 45 too |
| 18:58.24 | Kueken1 | first solution which pops to mind is a set effect for every unit |
| 18:58.37 | ckSynergy | I use a switch, but still |
| 18:58.52 | Kueken1 | switch -> set ->modify+damage |
| 18:59.05 | ckSynergy | tried that and the modify just fails |
| 18:59.08 | Kueken1 | the set is validated for energy cost |
| 18:59.08 | ckSynergy | the damage is still done |
| 18:59.28 | Kueken1 | I am pretty sure it can be done that way |
| 18:59.46 | Kueken1 | maybe you messed up the target settings or something |
| 19:00.04 | ckSynergy | nah, targets are fine |
| 19:00.13 | ckSynergy | its when you tie them together it just fails |
| 19:00.16 | Kueken1 | other possibility would be, that the modify unit effect has an effect field |
| 19:00.23 | Kueken1 | where you can chain an effect |
| 19:00.32 | Kueken1 | but not sure, if it has one |
| 19:00.59 | ckSynergy | it doesnt have one |
| 19:01.02 | ckSynergy | first thing I checked |
| 19:01.22 | Kueken1 | let me try the set... |
| 19:03.10 | ckSynergy | go for it |
| 19:04.11 | ckSynergy | but if you add a energy validator, you have to add combines for every unit and every energy cost factor |
| 19:04.17 | ckSynergy | to the set that is |
| 19:04.22 | Vailreth | ck im going to hazard a guess here and say that you are trying to create an ability that does X to a target unit with a diffrent engery cost for diffrent types of target unit? |
| 19:05.23 | ckSynergy | something like that yes |
| 19:05.55 | Vailreth | have you tried using caster outer or target outer instead of caster or target? |
| 19:06.14 | ckSynergy | ? |
| 19:06.32 | ckSynergy | not to familair with outers |
| 19:06.35 | ckSynergy | what are they? |
| 19:06.39 | ckSynergy | what do they check |
| 19:08.26 | ckSynergy | >.> |
| 19:08.26 | Vailreth | i do not really understand them my self but i have had success using them in my validators. basically when there is a unit inbetween the caster and the effect that needs to be validated caster outer will get the casting unit instead of the unit inbetween |
| 19:09.34 | Vailreth | like an ability i have that is basically a throw grenede with five levels i use one effect tree and the ability level validator and a switch effect |
| 19:09.58 | ckSynergy | ok? |
| 19:09.59 | Kueken1 | you can also specify an effect |
| 19:10.16 | Kueken1 | then it searches for that effect in the effect chain |
| 19:10.20 | ckSynergy | Vail: So why use caster outer instead of caster |
| 19:10.26 | Kueken1 | and takes the caster/source/whatever of that effect |
| 19:10.34 | ckSynergy | Kueken: Im familiar with that. doesnt apply here |
| 19:10.59 | Vailreth | the ability creates a grenade unit but to check the the ability level of the casting unit over the grenade unit i needed to use caster outer |
| 19:11.05 | Taintedwisp | uhh Vailreth... I believe its a cow that is thrown :P |
| 19:11.06 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 19:11.50 | Vailreth | it is indead a cow but its still a grenade in the end |
| 19:11.56 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 19:12.06 | Taintedwisp | ahahahaah |
| 19:13.02 | ckSynergy | Im trying to think how outer might apply here |
| 19:13.07 | ckSynergy | but Im not seeing it |
| 19:13.34 | Bommes | You mean like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx0AZUBdJrE |
| 19:13.37 | Bommes | Cowgrenades |
| 19:14.05 | ckSynergy | for abilities, are the approach, cast, prepare stages (etc), just for animation effects? |
| 19:14.15 | ckSynergy | or can you set an effect to apply at certain stages |
| 19:14.44 | Vailreth | i didnt think they would help in my case either but i was so frustrated that i said what the heck and tryed and they worked |
| 19:16.00 | ckSynergy | thing is, im trying to validate an effect, not the units |
| 19:17.26 | Bommes | @ckSynergy if you want a timed delay you could just use a persistent that uses the Modify Unit as the Initial Effect and the Damage as the Periodic Effect I guess |
| 19:17.47 | Bommes | but maybe you can also do that with the different ability stages, I don't have experience with that |
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| 19:18.05 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | helral |
| 19:18.18 | ckSynergy | hmmm maybe calldowns... |
| 19:18.27 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i noticed your map generation occurs anywhere on the mapo |
| 19:18.56 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | can i constrain it to a certain region an it will never generate outside it |
| 19:19.24 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ive changed the complete area region and it doesnt change anygthing |
| 19:19.27 | Kueken1 | ckSynergy: works for me, it seems |
| 19:19.36 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | mindya the complete area change is a complex region |
| 19:19.43 | Kueken1 | switch -> set -> modify+damage |
| 19:19.54 | Kueken1 | executes both modify and damage |
| 19:20.23 | Kueken1 | didn't get the cooldown part right yet, but thats probably another issue, energy cost works |
| 19:20.36 | ckSynergy | did you define a energy cost validator? |
| 19:20.50 | Bommes | lol that worms youtube channel i found by accident is gold |
| 19:20.50 | Bommes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4gU1kX_iNo |
| 19:20.52 | Kueken1 | yes |
| 19:20.55 | Bommes | crazy |
| 19:23.31 | Kueken1 | hm |
| 19:23.50 | Kueken1 | whats required to make the cooldown work for the modify unit effect? |
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| 19:24.07 | Kueken1 | the correct modify unit effect fires, but it refuses to modify the cooldown |
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| 19:26.17 | ckSynergy | Usage Time |
| 19:26.27 | ckSynergy | Time * 15 |
| 19:26.37 | ckSynergy | for some reason... |
| 19:28.52 | Kueken1 | positive or negative? |
| 19:29.12 | ckSynergy | positive |
| 19:29.20 | Kueken1 | does the ability need to use a cooldown>0 by itself? |
| 19:30.23 | Kueken1 | it just wont set the cooldown :/ |
| 19:30.32 | Kueken1 | sets the energy costs just fine |
| 19:30.58 | Taintedwisp | Damn these Mercs are giving me trouble lawl, they dont want to work like I want them to work.. |
| 19:30.59 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 19:32.25 | ckSynergy | The Fraction - Cooldown is busted far as I can tell |
| 19:32.29 | ckSynergy | it doesnt modify anything |
| 19:32.47 | ckSynergy | But Usage Time at the bottom works |
| 19:33.08 | ckSynergy | even though its 1/15 the speed, so you need to take whatever time and multiply by 15. So 150 = 10s |
| 19:33.53 | Kueken1 | yes |
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| 19:34.15 | Taintedwisp | dammit |
| 19:34.17 | Taintedwisp | ... |
| 19:34.21 | Taintedwisp | Thats has to be fixed |
| 19:34.23 | Taintedwisp | BAHHHH |
| 19:35.30 | Kueken1 | in this case, I got it |
| 19:35.43 | Taintedwisp | This sucks....... |
| 19:36.21 | Taintedwisp | How would I add something to this so that it doesnt count Heroic, Structure, Missile and a few other things? |
| 19:36.35 | ckSynergy | ? |
| 19:37.03 | Kueken1 | ability, if used on marine and has 10 or more energy, kills marine, reduces energy by 10, sets cooldown on 5, if used on marauder and has 50 or more energy, kills marauder, reduces energy by 50 and sets cooldown to 20 |
| 19:37.26 | Taintedwisp | http://pastebin.com/gGY6G2AV |
| 19:37.31 | Kueken1 | exactly what you need, isn't it? |
| 19:37.32 | Taintedwisp | Sorry thought I had posted the link |
| 19:37.32 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 19:37.35 | ckSynergy | and you have a validator for the unit and the energy cost? |
| 19:37.39 | Kueken1 | yes |
| 19:37.48 | ckSynergy | that could get very tedious if you have more than 2-3 units |
| 19:38.08 | ckSynergy | and if you need to change something later, like the energy cost |
| 19:38.18 | Kueken1 | possibly |
| 19:38.34 | Kueken1 | well, if you want an easier way, I suggest triggers |
| 19:38.34 | ckSynergy | well, its a levelable ability |
| 19:38.46 | ckSynergy | never! lol |
| 19:39.10 | Kueken1 | why not? its not like this would be a costly ability |
| 19:39.19 | ckSynergy | no but really, given what Ive seen so far, I know what I'm trying to possible in data with very little work involved, I just have to find the right route |
| 19:40.14 | Taintedwisp | I think I got it... |
| 19:40.29 | Kueken1 | well, if you find a data way for dynamical costs and cooldowns, which doesn't involve validating evry single case, let me know ;) |
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| 19:41.49 | ckSynergy | will do lol |
| 19:42.07 | ckSynergy | actually, will do if youll write the tutorial for it lol |
| 19:43.52 | ckSynergy | and actually, it wont be as dynamic as your suggesting |
| 19:44.04 | ckSynergy | but better than adding validators for every unit and every energy cost |
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| 19:47.30 | Bommes | How would you not need validators for every unit for the thing you want to do? |
| 19:47.32 | Bommes | I mean theoretically |
| 19:47.38 | Bommes | if you didn't have the problems mentioned earlier |
| 19:48.08 | ckSynergy | well, depends on how you use it |
| 19:48.22 | ckSynergy | but yes, you would nee validators for every unit you want to target |
| 19:48.26 | ckSynergy | if you want specialized costs |
| 19:49.05 | Taintedwisp | Yo Ck your good with triggers right, could you tell me if the second condition I put in would make it so that only units with those filters will be counted? http://pastebin.com/fq9N2tkM heres the old for comparison http://pastebin.com/gGY6G2AV |
| 19:50.32 | Taintedwisp | Hopefully Vailreth, if I did do that right, it should fix part of the unit leak, but not all of it |
| 19:50.33 | ckSynergy | first paste is the one you want me to check |
| 19:50.39 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
| 19:51.39 | Taintedwisp | Missles were being counted and a few other things, and it was breaking the map |
| 19:52.13 | ckSynergy | I guess it should work |
| 19:52.26 | ckSynergy | It will ignore any unit in the list |
| 19:52.31 | Kueken1 | Taintedwisp: make a unit filter check maybe? o_0 |
| 19:52.59 | Vailreth | wow you can use a negative leech value in a damge effect to make the damage effect cost vitals from the caster |
| 19:53.02 | Taintedwisp | thats what I did, I think |
| 19:53.18 | Taintedwisp | kk thanks CK |
| 19:53.50 | Taintedwisp | My triggering is utter crap |
| 19:53.51 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:54.03 | Kueken1 | oh |
| 19:54.10 | Kueken1 | only saw the 2nd one ;) |
| 19:54.14 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 19:54.17 | Bommes | still |
| 19:54.24 | Bommes | I don't get the if condition |
| 19:54.56 | Taintedwisp | From what I understand bommes you use mutiple coniditons together |
| 19:55.01 | Bommes | if you already did a unit filter, why not just give all these unit types one of the search types that you have already excluded? |
| 19:55.04 | Taintedwisp | for example, And if Comparioson |
| 19:55.14 | Taintedwisp | I just did the filter haah |
| 19:55.18 | Taintedwisp | But I didnt know if I did it right |
| 19:55.35 | Taintedwisp | thats how terrible I am with triggers, Dont underestimate my crap triggererig |
| 19:55.35 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 19:55.36 | Kueken1 | you could probably mark the unit somehow, like give all those unit types a specific behavior |
| 19:55.38 | Bommes | ic |
| 19:55.51 | Kueken1 | so you dont need to check for all unit types, just check for the behavior |
| 19:56.08 | Kueken1 | or something like that |
| 19:56.10 | Taintedwisp | Yeah, But I wanted it to cover other htings too |
| 19:56.17 | Bommes | What I'm always doing is just using one of the Search Types that I'm certain will be unused elsewhere in the map |
| 19:56.19 | Taintedwisp | The marauder bullets, |
| 19:56.19 | Bommes | like Hover |
| 19:56.22 | Taintedwisp | being a bad one |
| 19:56.32 | Bommes | and just use it for unit groups that I want to validate at some point |
| 19:56.50 | Kueken1 | no, i mean the evolution thingys |
| 19:57.04 | Bommes | yeah me too |
| 19:57.05 | Taintedwisp | oh haah |
| 19:57.06 | Bommes | they are units, right? |
| 19:57.12 | Bommes | no need to apply a behavior? |
| 19:57.16 | Bommes | well you could I think |
| 19:57.21 | Bommes | doesn't make a difference |
| 19:57.34 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
| 19:57.46 | Kueken1 | yeah, you could use a type as well, if you don't need them otherwise |
| 19:57.48 | Taintedwisp | I just like to do what works easiest, as long as it doesnt cause extra lag |
| 19:57.53 | Kueken1 | anything to mark them somehow |
| 19:58.01 | Bommes | yeah |
| 19:58.09 | Bommes | well I use both methods in my map :D |
| 19:58.19 | Bommes | at some point there are not enough unit types left |
| 19:58.33 | Vailreth | i wish we could define our own |
| 19:58.39 | Bommes | yeah me too |
| 19:58.56 | Taintedwisp | GREATT |
| 19:58.59 | Bommes | but you can rename them if you want, and there are plenty of them |
| 19:59.04 | Bommes | so its not too bad I guess |
| 19:59.04 | Taintedwisp | Fuck... |
| 19:59.25 | Taintedwisp | The unit counter is no longer appearing... |
| 19:59.39 | Taintedwisp | Checking an old version |
| 19:59.42 | Taintedwisp | to make sure im not mistaken |
| 20:01.12 | Taintedwisp | AHAHAHAHA |
| 20:01.15 | Taintedwisp | Nvm i was wrong |
| 20:01.24 | Taintedwisp | I forgot it was changed to be on the leader board |
| 20:01.27 | Taintedwisp | checking the new again |
| 20:02.05 | Taintedwisp | The word Incompetent is thrown around a lot these days... mostly at me haha |
| 20:08.35 | Vailreth | brb folks |
| 20:09.34 | Taintedwisp | Sweet its all working |
| 20:09.47 | Taintedwisp | Now if I could just get my triggerer to fix the Teir 10 repeat problem |
| 20:10.09 | Taintedwisp | I want it so that every 20 bio after teir 10 you can switch race...] |
| 20:10.21 | Taintedwisp | Instead the spawner dies and it says unable to go past array -_- |
| 20:11.07 | Taintedwisp | But yeah Vailreth, That trigger is now fixed so we can test without that pesky Unit bug where it was deleting all units hahaha |
| 20:12.25 | zenxu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Olnqcz4fFRw#! |
| 20:12.38 | ckSynergy | anyone have experience with augment effects? |
| 20:13.51 | tordy | why do people keep bringing up skill ceiling when arguing against the auto-split? |
| 20:17.30 | ducky | ppl like to do splits themselves, it makes them feel good about their lives. If blizz removes need for manual spleet they will have less things to feel good about ;l |
| 20:17.52 | ducky | *split... my spelling is atrocious |
| 20:17.52 | tordy | iunno |
| 20:17.57 | tordy | it feels like such a minor thing |
| 20:18.01 | tordy | and people are so up in arms about it |
| 20:18.18 | Taintedwisp | OH GOD ZENX GET DAT HOMO OFF MY SCREEN |
| 20:18.18 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 20:18.24 | Taintedwisp | A lil warning nexty time? |
| 20:19.42 | Bommes | @tordy who is up in arms about it? |
| 20:19.49 | tordy | bunch of people on forums |
| 20:19.56 | Bommes | link? |
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| 20:21.22 | zenxu | I thought you would enjoy it tainted <3 |
| 20:21.30 | tordy | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=366227 |
| 20:21.47 | tordy | better one |
| 20:21.48 | tordy | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6489780307 |
| 20:21.57 | caz | When you specify units to create |
| 20:22.02 | caz | if i had a custom unit called Zealot2 |
| 20:22.06 | caz | with prefix Custom - |
| 20:22.19 | caz | do i need to create that unit by specifying "Zealot2" |
| 20:22.19 | caz | or |
| 20:22.26 | tordy | highly rated topic too |
| 20:22.26 | caz | "Custom - Zealot2" |
| 20:23.45 | Bommes | yeah but everything is highly rated if it just interests enough people |
| 20:24.02 | tordy | that's what im saying |
| 20:24.09 | tordy | bunch of people are against auto-split |
| 20:24.28 | tordy | bunch of people are also for auto-split and give much better arguments imo |
| 20:24.38 | Bommes | dont know, there has been like 10 times more discussion about way more theoretical and unrealistic things, like changing the way how movement in formation etc. works |
| 20:24.45 | Bommes | its just people being bored |
| 20:25.02 | Bommes | because they dont have a beta key and no big tournaments are going on |
| 20:25.04 | Bommes | they need their drama |
| 20:25.11 | tordy | i like games with high skill curves |
| 20:25.12 | tordy | but |
| 20:25.25 | tordy | saying something like auto-split waters down the game |
| 20:25.29 | tordy | is just nitpicking |
| 20:25.43 | zenxu | automining? |
| 20:25.47 | tordy | ye |
| 20:25.48 | zenxu | as in they start mining? |
| 20:25.58 | zenxu | thats like a super minor deal? :E |
| 20:26.06 | tordy | exactly |
| 20:26.21 | tordy | people are saying it's setting a precedent for watering down mechanics |
| 20:26.43 | zenxu | hah |
| 20:27.00 | caz | i can see that point |
| 20:27.20 | tordy | maybe |
| 20:27.47 | tordy | maybe it's maybelline |
| 20:27.56 | caz | ppl fear an automation project |
| 20:28.04 | caz | where too many things are done for you and skill needed to play |
| 20:28.05 | caz | decreases |
| 20:28.07 | caz | noobs win |
| 20:28.37 | caz | days / weeks of practice negated |
| 20:28.40 | Bommes | the whole "discussion" isn't even a thing, tordy is just making it a thing :D |
| 20:28.48 | caz | i didnt read it |
| 20:29.03 | Bommes | everyone knows its no big deal for everyone who actually has no time to care about shit like this |
| 20:29.13 | Bommes | all it does is fix some problems with lag at the beginning |
| 20:29.22 | Bommes | where one player enters the game seconds later than the other player |
| 20:29.37 | caz | speaking of lag |
| 20:29.44 | caz | is the blizz tracker shit still happening? |
| 20:29.46 | Bommes | apart from that, no one cares |
| 20:29.49 | caz | because it made AoS unplayable |
| 20:29.57 | Bommes | blizz tracker? |
| 20:30.05 | tordy | i notice some pros not liking it tho |
| 20:30.17 | caz | idk they added a tracker thing in last patch |
| 20:30.19 | caz | to find lag |
| 20:30.21 | caz | and in doing so |
| 20:30.23 | caz | it caused lag |
| 20:30.30 | caz | in some custom games for many ppl |
| 20:30.57 | Bommes | you mean the streaming thing? |
| 20:31.09 | caz | i dont think so |
| 20:31.12 | Bommes | that all the assets get loaded while you are already in the game |
| 20:31.15 | Bommes | then I don't know what you mean |
| 20:31.22 | caz | maybe that is it tho ? |
| 20:31.25 | caz | idk |
| 20:31.31 | caz | but there are tons of ppl that cant play AoS anymore |
| 20:31.35 | caz | due to lag issues after patch |
| 20:31.57 | caz | the game gives me about 10 minutes |
| 20:32.02 | caz | before sinking to 1-15 fps |
| 20:32.18 | zenxu | what? |
| 20:32.25 | zenxu | how does it lagg more ingame now? |
| 20:32.33 | caz | Aeon of Storms... it just does |
| 20:32.38 | caz | its been a major problem |
| 20:32.38 | zenxu | havent noticed myself |
| 20:32.45 | zenxu | jsut one map? |
| 20:33.02 | caz | how should i know ? its the only custom i play 90% of the time |
| 20:33.07 | tordy | apparently any map that hasnt updated the create unit action |
| 20:33.17 | zenxu | exactly it could be just that the code has something that makes it lagg |
| 20:33.24 | tordy | that's what im hearing from other map makers |
| 20:33.32 | caz | zenxu: its the patch |
| 20:33.36 | caz | that started the lag |
| 20:33.53 | caz | tordy: how does the create unit need changed ? |
| 20:34.03 | tordy | 1.5.2 updated the create unit function |
| 20:34.21 | tordy | maps that used create unit function before 1.5.2 are referencing an old function that's causing problems |
| 20:34.37 | tordy | so to fix you would delete all the create unit actions and recreate them |
| 20:34.38 | caz | so they need to delete and readd create unit ? o.o ? |
| 20:34.40 | caz | ah |
| 20:34.44 | caz | that suuuuxxxx |
| 20:34.50 | caz | lol |
| 20:34.54 | tordy | i dont know if this is true |
| 20:34.57 | tordy | but that's what im hearing |
| 20:35.12 | tordy | worht a shot if you're experieincing such issues for your map |
| 20:36.07 | caz | i started this one after 1.5.2 so im good... but i hope the devs of aos are on this fix |
| 20:36.22 | caz | or have been |
| 20:40.53 | Taintedwisp | Hey is there a way to give a unit a different player color? |
| 20:41.55 | Bommes | actor message "Set Team Color" |
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| 20:45.06 | Taintedwisp | kk |
| 20:46.50 | Taintedwisp | Thanks |
| 20:46.52 | Taintedwisp | Got it |
| 20:48.55 | Taintedwisp | BRB |
| 20:48.57 | Taintedwisp | gotta restart |
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| 20:58.23 | zenxu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6z72ZT5B7ZI |
| 20:58.26 | zenxu | silly animals |
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| 20:59.02 | tordy | welcome back taintedwisp |
| 20:59.08 | taintedwisp | hah thanks |
| 21:00.57 | taintedwisp | hmmm I wonder if Vailreth returned |
| 21:05.14 | tordy | RipperRoo left |
| 21:05.15 | tordy | im upset |
| 21:07.23 | taintedwisp | You should be,, |
| 21:07.29 | taintedwisp | He loved you... and you hurt him |
| 21:07.33 | taintedwisp | you bastard |
| 21:08.09 | RipperRooX | RipperRoo never leavs! |
| 21:08.10 | RipperRooX | :S |
| 21:10.35 | taintedwisp | Vailreth, You might get spammed on Drop box for a sec |
| 21:10.45 | taintedwisp | Moving things to a new folder since I dont have owner ship fo the old |
| 21:12.18 | taintedwisp | Also if you want Vailreth you can leave the old folder |
| 21:12.33 | taintedwisp | Our triggerer hasnt been online in over 15 days... so imma find a new one |
| 21:14.43 | RipperRooX | tordy doesnt answere |
| 21:14.46 | RipperRooX | im upset |
| 21:16.14 | Bommes | I thought you are heavily involved in all the trigger shenanigans by now tainted |
| 21:16.15 | taintedwisp | But yeah Vailreth, if I do find a triggerer I cant add him to the folder... without it being like that |
| 21:16.24 | taintedwisp | Noooooooooooo |
| 21:16.25 | Bommes | why find a new one :D |
| 21:16.28 | taintedwisp | i hate triggers |
| 21:16.35 | taintedwisp | My old one went MIA... |
| 21:16.36 | taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:16.49 | taintedwisp | Good triggerer, not very responsive though haah |
| 21:17.15 | taintedwisp | He will be put in a section of MIA workers or something ahah, the number is up to liek 6 or 7 people who have quit the project... |
| 21:18.00 | taintedwisp | I dont know why people hate seeing stuff through to the end... but whatever |
| 21:18.58 | Taintedwisp | capital T |
| 21:23.03 | tordy | what're those called? |
| 21:23.30 | Taintedwisp | what are what called |
| 21:24.50 | tordy | how do you attach a label to a unit's status bar? |
| 21:24.58 | tordy | like you know in AoS |
| 21:25.11 | tordy | you see the level of your character |
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| 21:25.45 | Taintedwisp | no clue, I think you have to use triggers |
| 21:26.29 | tordy | cuz that's pretty cool and could be useful for a bunch of things |
| 21:26.43 | Taintedwisp | OHH |
| 21:26.50 | Taintedwisp | your talking about where it says level 1? |
| 21:26.53 | tordy | yea |
| 21:26.54 | Taintedwisp | and the experience bar under it |
| 21:26.55 | Taintedwisp | hahaha |
| 21:27.03 | Taintedwisp | Thats defualt Veterency Behavior |
| 21:27.04 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:27.11 | tordy | D: |
| 21:27.20 | Taintedwisp | OneTwoSc has a complete hero tutorial |
| 21:27.24 | tordy | it's right next to the health bar |
| 21:27.32 | Taintedwisp | huh? |
| 21:27.36 | tordy | that's veterancy? |
| 21:28.13 | Taintedwisp | hmm give me one sec |
| 21:28.18 | Taintedwisp | you say right new to the health bar? |
| 21:28.29 | tordy | holdon ill give you a pic |
| 21:28.38 | Taintedwisp | ok |
| 21:28.53 | tordy | are you logged into sc2? |
| 21:28.56 | Taintedwisp | nah |
| 21:28.58 | Taintedwisp | give me a sec |
| 21:29.13 | Taintedwisp | before you go throught hte trouble |
| 21:29.24 | Taintedwisp | let me make sure you dont just want it like mine is |
| 21:30.15 | tordy | right here |
| 21:30.16 | tordy | http://i.imgur.com/Mevpg.jpg |
| 21:30.32 | tordy | see the number next to the health and energy bar? |
| 21:30.58 | Taintedwisp | Oh, they changed it |
| 21:31.10 | tordy | is it a trigger label or something only in data? |
| 21:31.10 | Taintedwisp | yeah thats PROBABLY either Dialog triggers or Layout files |
| 21:31.41 | tordy | can dialog triggers do that? |
| 21:31.48 | tordy | like attach itself to a unit? |
| 21:31.57 | Taintedwisp | Dunno |
| 21:32.04 | Taintedwisp | I dont use too many triggers |
| 21:32.06 | tordy | i couldnt find anything about it last i checked |
| 21:32.17 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/hkxkc.jpg This is the defualt for veterency |
| 21:32.20 | tordy | i know health/energy bar positioning are layouts |
| 21:32.35 | tordy | but i dont know where that number came from |
| 21:32.42 | Taintedwisp | hmm yeah |
| 21:32.43 | Taintedwisp | I dunno |
| 21:32.50 | Taintedwisp | Its probably a Dialog with a string |
| 21:32.52 | tordy | it changes based on your level |
| 21:32.54 | Taintedwisp | attached to the unit |
| 21:33.03 | tordy | but how does a dialog attach to a unit like that? |
| 21:33.10 | Taintedwisp | hmmm no clue |
| 21:33.20 | Taintedwisp | I see what your saying though |
| 21:34.15 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/hkxkc.jpg?9797 |
| 21:34.23 | Taintedwisp | why does Imgur do that... |
| 21:34.24 | Taintedwisp | BAH |
| 21:34.58 | Taintedwisp | King Zhakul is still my favorite looking hero |
| 21:35.12 | tordy | the ?9797 did it |
| 21:35.26 | Taintedwisp | ?9797? |
| 21:35.28 | Taintedwisp | whats that |
| 21:35.35 | tordy | http://i.imgur.com/hkxkc.jpg?9797 |
| 21:35.44 | tordy | remove the portion of that to |
| 21:35.46 | tordy | http://i.imgur.com/hkxkc.jpg |
| 21:35.49 | Taintedwisp | I ment make it fuzzy |
| 21:35.50 | Taintedwisp | hahaah |
| 21:35.52 | Taintedwisp | I resized it |
| 21:36.14 | tordy | save it as a png or something |
| 21:36.15 | Taintedwisp | Trying to make it look better quality and fit on one screen |
| 21:36.24 | tordy | or a higher quality jpg |
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| 21:36.30 | Taintedwisp | It was working perfect... |
| 21:36.34 | Taintedwisp | Its not a Jpg |
| 21:36.38 | Taintedwisp | its Copy/Pasted |
| 21:36.43 | Taintedwisp | And they made it a Jpg |
| 21:36.46 | tordy | :[ |
| 21:36.56 | Triceron | 'ello |
| 21:37.20 | Taintedwisp | Hey |
| 21:37.26 | Taintedwisp | you make all my models yet? ahahahahaha |
| 21:37.38 | Triceron | all done |
| 21:37.48 | Taintedwisp | I need a 4th dimensional Fire lion? |
| 21:37.51 | Triceron | every one of em |
| 21:37.54 | Taintedwisp | ol |
| 21:38.09 | Taintedwisp | possibly even 32nd Dimension |
| 21:38.09 | Triceron | even the ones you haven't thought up of yet |
| 21:38.14 | Taintedwisp | good work |
| 21:38.21 | Taintedwisp | Ill need them in a 3 byte file |
| 21:39.06 | Taintedwisp | Hey your a modeller, what do you think of this fuzzy image of a unit I put together using attachments |
| 21:39.07 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/hkxkc.jpg?9797 |
| 21:41.22 | Bibendus | again |
| 21:41.24 | Bibendus | this weird flower lol |
| 21:41.32 | Bibendus | the gay zealot |
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| 21:45.21 | Taintedwisp_ | Does it really look like a flower to you? |
| 21:47.18 | tordy | looks like a flower |
| 21:48.50 | Bibendus | how can I apply a sop to an actor |
| 21:48.58 | Bibendus | to rotate the model by 90° |
| 21:49.02 | Bibendus | vertically |
| 21:49.08 | Bibendus | but not instantly |
| 21:49.43 | Taintedwisp_ | Meh... oh well, hahaha, I still like it... it looks like a weird shield to me |
| 21:49.55 | Bibendus | it's a gay flower |
| 21:50.05 | Taintedwisp_ | you're a gay flower |
| 21:50.07 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 21:50.10 | Taintedwisp_ | :P |
| 21:50.11 | Bibendus | lol |
| 21:50.15 | Bibendus | why don't you use like |
| 21:50.19 | Bibendus | a protoss building |
| 21:50.24 | Bibendus | with reduced Z |
| 21:50.27 | Bibendus | or mmm |
| 21:50.31 | Bibendus | a supply depot |
| 21:50.40 | Taintedwisp_ | Protoss only |
| 21:50.43 | Taintedwisp_ | Its a protosshero |
| 21:50.53 | Bibendus | ye as I said |
| 21:50.57 | Bibendus | instead of the gay flower |
| 21:51.00 | Bibendus | use some building |
| 21:51.02 | Bibendus | and stretch it :P |
| 21:51.03 | Bommes | @Bibendus Changing visuals over time is usually done with a SOp Forward Vector actor in combination with an invisible model that changes scale |
| 21:51.15 | Bibendus | why changing scale? |
| 21:51.23 | Taintedwisp_ | meh, ill revisit King Zhakul later' |
| 21:51.32 | Taintedwisp_ | And take a look. |
| 21:51.32 | Bibendus | because else the rotating animation sucks? |
| 21:51.44 | Bommes | there is no such thing as "rotating animation" ;) |
| 21:52.03 | Bommes | you make an actor look at an attachment point of the marine, overhead or head or something |
| 21:52.08 | Bommes | and by changing scale that attachment point changes |
| 21:52.17 | Bommes | so it will look like the actor rotates |
| 21:52.23 | Bibendus | O_o |
| 21:52.39 | Bibendus | but it's moving |
| 21:52.40 | Bibendus | not rotating |
| 21:53.01 | Bibendus | the attachment point is moved |
| 21:53.03 | Bibendus | while scaling |
| 21:53.05 | Bommes | yes |
| 21:53.06 | Bibendus | and I understood it but.. |
| 21:53.12 | Bibendus | still the model is not rotating |
| 21:53.17 | Bibendus | just changing position |
| 21:53.30 | Taintedwisp_ | AND YOU DO AS HE SAYS BIBENDUS!!! OR YOU SHALL BE SLAPPED!!!! |
| 21:53.39 | Bommes | what do you mean changing position? |
| 21:53.40 | Bibendus | what the |
| 21:53.41 | Bibendus | xD |
| 21:53.44 | Bibendus | i need |
| 21:53.47 | Bibendus | to rotate a model |
| 21:53.57 | Bibendus | so it lays down |
| 21:53.58 | Bibendus | like a body |
| 21:54.05 | Taintedwisp_ | So you need to "TILT" a model |
| 21:54.06 | Bommes | yes |
| 21:54.26 | Taintedwisp_ | Look at the tutorial for flipping a wraith |
| 21:54.26 | Bibendus | tilt? |
| 21:54.28 | Bibendus | whatever :D |
| 21:54.34 | Bibendus | but can it be done |
| 21:54.37 | Bibendus | smoothly? |
| 21:54.38 | Taintedwisp_ | That should be close enough |
| 21:54.43 | Taintedwisp_ | Hmmm.. |
| 21:54.45 | Bommes | smoothly is only possible with forward vectors |
| 21:54.49 | Bommes | as i said |
| 21:54.50 | Bommes | :) |
| 21:54.50 | Bibendus | ok |
| 21:54.53 | Bibendus | and how do they work |
| 21:55.07 | Bommes | they face another actor/attachment point |
| 21:55.14 | Bibendus | ooh |
| 21:55.17 | Bibendus | now I understand |
| 21:55.23 | Bibendus | why u needed to scale the thing |
| 21:55.36 | Bibendus | changing the position of the point |
| 21:55.41 | Bommes | yeah |
| 21:55.47 | Bibendus | so scale can be done with time |
| 21:55.58 | Bommes | at least thats the only way i know |
| 21:56.04 | Bommes | to fake smooth rotations |
| 21:56.06 | Bibendus | and the attachment vector is constantly facing the model? |
| 21:56.11 | Bommes | without actual animations |
| 21:56.36 | Bibendus | lol |
| 21:56.41 | Bibendus | why everytime I search something about actors |
| 21:56.45 | Bibendus | I get my hive keeper thread |
| 21:56.46 | Bommes | Well, the model that the Forward Vector is applied to, yes |
| 21:56.52 | Bommes | but its been a long time since I experimented with that |
| 21:57.03 | Bommes | I can send you the TossATron file Kueken made |
| 21:57.08 | Bommes | helpful to understand how it works |
| 21:57.23 | Bibendus | Yup. There is a SOp (Smooth Rotation) that can make model facing changes look smooth. There is the Set Facing actor event. |
| 21:57.24 | Bibendus | oh |
| 21:57.25 | Bibendus | xD |
| 21:57.34 | Bibendus | this seems simpler |
| 21:57.34 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:58.21 | Taintedwisp_ | WHOA that Toss A Tron is sick... |
| 21:58.27 | Bommes | oh okay :D |
| 21:58.31 | Bommes | didnt know that |
| 21:58.32 | Bommes | sorry |
| 21:58.54 | Taintedwisp_ | You said Kueken made it? |
| 21:59.06 | Taintedwisp_ | I wonder if he would allow me to Import data from it, so I can get that as a boss |
| 21:59.06 | Taintedwisp_ | haaha |
| 21:59.15 | Bommes | which one do you mean? |
| 21:59.21 | Bommes | he made the frame and everything, yes |
| 21:59.34 | Bommes | you should look up drsuperevils spider quadroleg bot |
| 21:59.37 | Bommes | that is going to be sick :D |
| 21:59.45 | Bommes | but not finished yet |
| 21:59.49 | Taintedwisp_ | Im just looking for bosses ahaha |
| 21:59.52 | Taintedwisp_ | Finished ones |
| 22:00.03 | Taintedwisp_ | I have a Rainbow Archon, and a custom model already |
| 22:00.10 | Taintedwisp_ | Major Attachment unit seems logical |
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| 22:00.12 | zenxu | my bosses are the shit |
| 22:00.25 | zenxu | come to EU then you can play them on bnet ^^ |
| 22:00.49 | Bommes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-NuykXgHWU |
| 22:00.49 | ckSynergy | wtb Validator expert |
| 22:00.56 | Bommes | thats the one I made out of Kuekens frame |
| 22:00.58 | Bommes | I can send you the file |
| 22:01.07 | Taintedwisp_ | Yeah Bommes thats whe video I saw |
| 22:01.07 | Taintedwisp_ | haha |
| 22:01.08 | Bibendus | and now how the hell does this smooth rotation work :D |
| 22:01.13 | Bommes | it has no weapons or anything though, I just made that out of boredom when I had nothing to do for an evening ^^ |
| 22:01.32 | Taintedwisp_ | would you mind if I imported it into EF i will credit you in the Loading screen |
| 22:01.35 | Bibendus | what the hell |
| 22:01.36 | Bibendus | lol |
| 22:01.38 | Bibendus | this is madness |
| 22:01.48 | Taintedwisp_ | Probably as the Final Boss |
| 22:01.59 | Taintedwisp_ | Im thinking Lasers shoot from the Carriers |
| 22:01.59 | Bommes | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9962/TossATron.SC2Map |
| 22:02.02 | Taintedwisp_ | For its attack |
| 22:02.12 | Taintedwisp_ | Sweet thanks Bommes |
| 22:02.14 | Bibendus | how much time bommes |
| 22:02.17 | Bibendus | to do it |
| 22:02.33 | Bommes | But if you really want to use it I'd recommend to work on the animations |
| 22:02.42 | Bommes | for me? maybe 5 or 6 hours |
| 22:02.49 | Bommes | including understanding it (which was the majority) |
| 22:02.58 | Bommes | dont know how much time Kueken spent |
| 22:03.13 | Bommes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEVamH9U248 for that |
| 22:03.29 | Bommes | which is what I used |
| 22:03.37 | Bibendus | oh k |
| 22:03.38 | Bibendus | u edited it |
| 22:03.39 | Bibendus | :D |
| 22:03.41 | Bommes | yeah :) |
| 22:03.46 | Bommes | as I said, its from Kueken basically :D |
| 22:04.24 | Taintedwisp_ | What the.. |
| 22:04.25 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 22:04.29 | Taintedwisp_ | The top detached from the bottom |
| 22:04.30 | Taintedwisp_ | haah |
| 22:04.49 | Taintedwisp_ | And the arms were all jumbled |
| 22:04.50 | Taintedwisp_ | haha |
| 22:05.22 | Bommes | its fucked up after 1.5? :D let me try |
| 22:06.10 | Tolkfan | does anyone ever understand houndofbaskerville's posts? |
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| 22:06.40 | Exaken | nope |
| 22:06.50 | Taintedwisp_ | Nope |
| 22:07.45 | Tolkfan | well, it's good I'm not the only one... |
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| 22:08.31 | Taintedwisp | Yeah Bommes, all I need for my bosses to do, is Turn and attack haha |
| 22:08.32 | Bibendus | aw |
| 22:08.35 | Bibendus | the windmill is not working anymore :| |
| 22:08.36 | Taintedwisp | They chill in the middle |
| 22:13.17 | Taintedwisp | Yo Kueken1 you there? I was wondering if you had any cool units you made with attachments(besides the box) that I could use for a boss or 2 in Evolution Frenzy. |
| 22:15.25 | Taintedwisp | Afk, will read messages when I return in 15 minutes |
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| 22:25.40 | Bibendus | can anyone explain thiz to me? |
| 22:25.56 | Bibendus | Just apply a Site Operation (Smooth Rotation) to the actor and in the events of the actor use the Set Facing or Set Rotation action to get it to spin |
| 22:26.33 | Kueken1 | that shounds like it wouldn't work |
| 22:26.38 | Kueken1 | *sounds |
| 22:26.54 | Kueken1 | the smooth rotation sop isn't meant for spinning |
| 22:27.08 | Bibendus | i just need to rotate a model by 90° |
| 22:27.15 | Kueken1 | ah |
| 22:27.16 | Bibendus | well with timed events |
| 22:27.19 | Bibendus | you can spin it |
| 22:27.23 | Bibendus | rotating it 90° a time :P |
| 22:27.43 | Bibendus | god of data, please help me :P |
| 22:27.58 | Kueken1 | if you want static rotation, i would use an explicit rotation site operation |
| 22:28.06 | Bibendus | need it smooth |
| 22:28.14 | Bibendus | for creatures beeing knock down |
| 22:28.33 | Bibendus | and considering a lot of zerg units lack a non-explosive death animation |
| 22:28.41 | Bibendus | I haz to rotate the model 90° |
| 22:28.47 | Bibendus | so it seems unconscious |
| 22:28.56 | Kueken1 | I am not sure, if you can apply a site operation at runtime |
| 22:29.00 | Kueken1 | never did it |
| 22:29.15 | Bibendus | damn :| |
| 22:29.43 | Bibendus | so I haz to do a special actor |
| 22:29.46 | Bibendus | with the SOp on it |
| 22:29.52 | Kueken1 | possibly |
| 22:29.54 | Bibendus | :| |
| 22:29.59 | Bibendus | I hate data editing |
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| 22:30.06 | Bibendus | did I already say that? |
| 22:30.08 | Bibendus | :P |
| 22:30.14 | Kueken1 | I am not sure, how I would do it exactly, i would experiment |
| 22:30.52 | Bibendus | so u never used site operations at runtime |
| 22:31.50 | ducky | hm :s |
| 22:32.02 | Bommes | @Kueken the TossATron is completely messed up post 1.5! |
| 22:32.22 | Bibendus | xD |
| 22:32.24 | Bommes | well not completely :P but it has some problems |
| 22:32.31 | Bibendus | even the zerg door |
| 22:32.32 | Bibendus | haz problems |
| 22:32.45 | Bibendus | I don't remember if kueken did it but probably he did :P |
| 22:32.47 | Kueken1 | many of my units are |
| 22:32.57 | Bibendus | exactly |
| 22:33.02 | Kueken1 | the zerg door wasn't me |
| 22:33.03 | Bibendus | what's fucking up actor events in 1.5? |
| 22:33.06 | Bibendus | oh k :P |
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| 22:33.16 | ducky | I have units with beam weapon, I need to make it so that two beam units can't attack same target at the same time, anyone knows good ways to do this? |
| 22:33.55 | Kueken1 | the site operations just work differently, it seems, if you attach an actor to another one using site operations, they refuse to follow the attachment point when the units stand still |
| 22:33.59 | Kueken1 | for some reason |
| 22:34.06 | Bibendus | O_O |
| 22:34.22 | Bibendus | maybe its a bug' |
| 22:34.24 | Bibendus | ? |
| 22:34.27 | Kueken1 | it happened before the patch |
| 22:34.37 | Kueken1 | but only for very specific models |
| 22:34.45 | Kueken1 | now it happens for most models |
| 22:35.05 | Kueken1 | I would think it is a bug |
| 22:35.27 | Bibendus | did u try to talk about that with deletarius? |
| 22:35.30 | Kueken1 | and the workaround is quite messy :/ |
| 22:35.35 | Kueken1 | I did |
| 22:35.36 | Taintedwisp | Back |
| 22:35.38 | Bibendus | and what did he say |
| 22:35.48 | Taintedwisp | washed those dishes... |
| 22:35.50 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 22:36.00 | Kueken1 | he copied my explanation of the problem and said he'd take it to another guy |
| 22:36.03 | Bibendus | didn't u kill the dishes? |
| 22:36.03 | Bibendus | ah |
| 22:36.06 | Bibendus | aw |
| 22:36.12 | Bibendus | oh k xD |
| 22:36.26 | Bibendus | well we called for a lot of bugs |
| 22:36.37 | Bibendus | i really hope they ll be fixed someday xD |
| 22:36.38 | Kueken1 | Taintedwisp: Many of my units don't work with the new patch anymore, most likely the box won't either |
| 22:36.43 | Kueken1 | but you can try these: |
| 22:36.58 | Taintedwisp | alright |
| 22:37.06 | Kueken1 | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/26224-challenge-make-a-protis-sniper-and-academy/?page=4#p68 |
| 22:37.06 | Kueken1 | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/22854-contest-themed-creature/#p13 |
| 22:37.06 | Kueken1 | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/data-assets/40865-baneblade/ |
| 22:38.56 | Taintedwisp | hmm ill check the blazing hulk |
| 22:39.02 | Taintedwisp | and grab that item kit |
| 22:39.03 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 22:40.23 | Kueken1 | bibendus: there is a Host Set Site Operations actor message |
| 22:40.32 | Kueken1 | never noticed that one, it might be new |
| 22:40.35 | Bibendus | lol |
| 22:40.38 | Kueken1 | trying that |
| 22:41.20 | Bibendus | and |
| 22:41.25 | Bibendus | how does the smooth rotation work |
| 22:41.26 | Bibendus | because |
| 22:41.48 | Bibendus | it has not vector values like normal sop rotation actors |
| 22:47.35 | Kueken1 | not sure |
| 22:47.42 | Kueken1 | never used that either :) |
| 22:48.00 | Kueken1 | cannot get the host set site operations to work |
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| 22:48.36 | Bibendus | dafuq |
| 22:48.56 | Bibendus | sru Kueken1 were u answering? cuz I got disc :P |
| 22:49.23 | Triceron | [15:47] <Kueken1> not sure [15:47] == Bibendus [~Bibendus@ip-80-249-36-63.static.adsl.cheapnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] [15:47] <Kueken1> never used that either :) [15:48] <Kueken1> cannot get the host set site operations to work |
| 22:49.45 | Bibendus | neither with a normal rotation? |
| 22:49.59 | Bibendus | what did u use as host |
| 22:50.50 | Taintedwisp | Well Kueken Blazing doesnt work due to Dependency issues, Its fine though, its Too big to be used in my map :P |
| 22:50.57 | Taintedwisp | Imma make something using yours as Inspiration |
| 22:51.19 | Kueken1 | it uses the Left2Die mod |
| 22:52.08 | Kueken1 | Bibendus: I tried the host unit, _Selectable, an attached actor, ::Main, ::Creator... several possibilities :D |
| 22:52.11 | Taintedwisp | Yeah I dont have that attached to my map hahaah. |
| 22:52.38 | Bibendus | isn't that the target |
| 22:52.40 | Bibendus | ? |
| 22:53.07 | Bommes | @Kueken1 Just discovered that ItemKit... thats actually really handy. I knew you used that for the Baneblade, but I wasn't aware there was so much cool stuff in it that I'll be able to use :D |
| 22:53.08 | Kueken1 | tried the other way around as well :) |
| 22:53.28 | Kueken1 | the items have some issues, though |
| 22:53.44 | Kueken1 | they have no animations whatsoever, they malfunction with cloak |
| 22:54.02 | Kueken1 | and some other minor issues |
| 22:55.01 | Kueken1 | Bibendus: its probably meant tto use with the attach actor messages, which I didn't use, trying that now. |
| 22:55.24 | Bibendus | so I can attach actor that is sop |
| 22:55.32 | Bibendus | well I tought that |
| 22:55.52 | Bibendus | however not sure it can work |
| 22:58.46 | Bommes | some of them do have animations though |
| 22:58.59 | Bommes | just not the weapons and heads etc. |
| 22:59.41 | Taintedwisp | Hopefulyl the legs will |
| 22:59.41 | Taintedwisp | hahaa |
| 22:59.49 | Taintedwisp | Otherwise Goliath Legs is useless |
| 23:00.00 | Taintedwisp | And my hydra with robot legs and guns will be a bust |
| 23:00.01 | Taintedwisp | .. |
| 23:00.02 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 23:01.48 | Bibendus | damn |
| 23:01.54 | Kueken1 | Bommes: do the animations work? |
| 23:01.54 | Bibendus | does fatty have death animation? |
| 23:02.10 | Kueken1 | no idea |
| 23:02.34 | Kueken1 | also no idea how to use the set site operations, doesn't seem to work for the attach message either. |
| 23:04.23 | Bibendus | lolz |
| 23:05.02 | Bommes | no, you are right |
| 23:05.06 | Bommes | I think |
| 23:05.08 | Bommes | not working |
| 23:06.45 | Vailreth | i have returned |
| 23:10.39 | Taintedwisp | GTFO |
| 23:10.41 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 23:10.42 | Taintedwisp | WB |
| 23:10.49 | Taintedwisp | Hey Vailreth I changed the folder |
| 23:10.55 | Vailreth | nod i saw |
| 23:11.01 | Taintedwisp | kk |
| 23:11.10 | Taintedwisp | yeah we need a new triggerer, and I wasnt the owner of that other folder |
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| 23:15.20 | A1win | I wrote something :o http://a1win.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-future-of-craftcraft.html |
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| 23:16.13 | A1win | the Replayability chapter could be worth a read even without caring about the actual map |
| 23:22.12 | Taintedwisp | [19:15] frigg [~frigg@freenode/utility-bot/frigg] requested CTCP VERSION from Taintedwisp: |
| 23:22.15 | Taintedwisp | Say what? |
| 23:24.37 | xelot | frigg is ~frigg@freenode/utility-bot/frigg * freenode utility bot, replaces freenode-connect |
| 23:58.01 | tordy | say Taintedwisp |
