| 00:02.16 | Tolkfan | the beta editor has the fancy live preview ui editor :O |
| 00:03.41 | Tolkfan | awww yeaa, no more xml editing :O |
| 00:03.58 | Saltpeter | Okay, time to make my first unit spawner. @,o |
| 00:04.18 | Blizz-Artestru | Be careful with it. :) |
| 00:04.23 | Blizz-Artestru | It's still very early. |
| 00:05.07 | Saltpeter | No more XML editing? D: But I like XML! |
| 00:06.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | there's xml editing |
| 00:06.45 | tordy | is that just for layouts? |
| 00:06.48 | tordy | what about dialogs? |
| 00:08.03 | Tolkfan | the ui editor is to set up a static ui, then you hook it up as dialogs with triggers and make it "live" :P |
| 00:08.54 | Tolkfan | whoops, I crashed it :PPP |
| 00:10.35 | Saltpeter | Oh good, unit spawning is easy. :3 |
| 00:10.42 | Blizz-Artestru | Yeah it's a little crashy right now in beta. :) |
| 00:11.13 | tordy | ohh... :( |
| 00:11.20 | Tolkfan | it might be because I shrunk the whole UI to the size of a button... I have no idea what I'm doing :D |
| 00:11.28 | Tolkfan | but its fun :P |
| 00:14.41 | Bommes | how did you get it to work? |
| 00:14.52 | Bommes | do i need the latest hots client update for that? |
| 00:15.18 | Saltpeter | My favorite thing about the editor is that spaces are allowed in variable names. I'm not restricted to camel case. :D |
| 00:15.39 | Saltpeter | Everything looks like English. ^_^ |
| 00:16.24 | Bommes | nevermind |
| 00:16.26 | Bommes | got it to work |
| 00:16.51 | Bommes | well kind of |
| 00:16.52 | Bommes | :D |
| 00:16.55 | Tolkfan | you do know it converts all the names to camel case for the actual script, right? :P Press ctrl+D |
| 00:17.33 | Blizz-Deletarius | as a habit, I USED to do thing_NameOfThing |
| 00:17.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | now I have the habit of ThisIsTheNameOfTheVariable |
| 00:19.14 | Bommes | I sometimes do it one way and the next day I'll use a completely different naming system |
| 00:19.25 | Bommes | makes it confusing to find older stuff sometimes |
| 00:19.33 | Bommes | but I guess its pretty normal if you don't have a concept from the beginning |
| 00:19.41 | Bommes | annoying nonetheless :D |
| 00:19.53 | Bommes | btw it would help if there were tooltips in the UI Editor for the buttons on the left side |
| 00:20.00 | Bommes | is there some way to activate them? |
| 00:20.12 | Bommes | I have no idea what each button does |
| 00:20.14 | A1win | for some reason I use spaces in my parameters and no spaces in my variables, could think of a few better ways of doing it :P |
| 00:20.38 | Vailreth | yo mapsters |
| 00:21.48 | Tolkfan | I change the names of my vars and functions all the time... "StartConversation"? no... "StartConversationNode" is better... no "ParseConversationNode"... no... make it "ConversationNodeParse" so it sort nicely in the function list..... |
| 00:22.14 | Bommes | @A1win At least I started to get a habit of always putting a "Param" for parameters or a "Var_" for local variables at the front of the name |
| 00:22.30 | Bommes | helps a lot in terms of getting an overview if you look at it later on |
| 00:22.49 | Bommes | @Tolkfan haha yeah I do that kind of stuff too |
| 00:22.59 | Bommes | and then a week later I'm completely puzzled why I chose such a stupid name |
| 00:23.37 | Bommes | Could anyone help me though what the buttons on the left side of the UI Editor do? |
| 00:24.33 | Tolkfan | I can't even get them to show up... I know there was a hotkey to show the UI overlay... |
| 00:25.21 | Bommes | Hm, I just completely crashed all of it |
| 00:28.05 | Vailreth | how did you crash it? |
| 00:28.53 | Bommes | I don't know |
| 00:28.58 | Bommes | lol |
| 00:29.16 | Bommes | pure idiocy I guess |
| 00:29.38 | Bommes | but the UI Editor looks great already :) |
| 00:32.30 | Saltpeter | Yeah, I know. |
| 00:32.47 | Saltpeter | But that's for the script. ;>.> |
| 00:33.09 | Saltpeter | Scripts are for machines, I like my English. :D |
| 00:35.31 | Vailreth | some times i wonder am i missing out as i do not play ladder to custom games |
| 00:35.56 | Saltpeter | I never play ladder, I care too much about winning. |
| 00:36.55 | Vailreth | i dont care about winning but i lose to badly |
| 00:38.32 | Vailreth | its not that i am a bad or sore loser its that i am so bad at playing the game i just dont bother |
| 00:38.45 | Kueken | # |
| 00:38.57 | Vailreth | #? |
| 00:39.11 | Kueken | # = I agree or I feel the same way |
| 00:39.18 | Vailreth | ah |
| 00:39.34 | Saltpeter | So, anyone got a few minutes to spare to look at my project page? I'd like some input on my game's concept. ;>.> |
| 00:39.43 | Kueken | I like messing around with the campaign, though |
| 00:39.54 | Kueken | bring it on ;) |
| 00:39.57 | Vailreth | it take me 20 minites to build upto a base that takes other players maybe ten |
| 00:40.28 | Vailreth | ill take a look |
| 00:40.34 | Saltpeter | :D :D |
| 00:40.43 | Saltpeter | www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/42558-the-gridspace-war/ |
| 00:41.10 | tordy | cool grid bro |
| 00:41.35 | Kueken | at first glance, without reading anything, the presentation looks a little discouraging :D |
| 00:41.56 | Saltpeter | It's my very first map. :( I can make the page nicer looking later. |
| 00:42.41 | Kueken | yes |
| 00:42.47 | Kueken | :p |
| 00:43.20 | Kueken | so the concept is basically a tug with a twist |
| 00:43.25 | Saltpeter | Well... |
| 00:43.39 | Bommes | Man, I'm horrible with the UI Editor |
| 00:43.43 | Kueken | being these grinds you can conquer |
| 00:43.55 | Bommes | On the other hand, this means I'm really proud that I actually moved the ChatDisplay |
| 00:44.01 | Bommes | Yay! |
| 00:44.03 | Saltpeter | It's not just tug. I didn't want it to be "mostly tug". |
| 00:44.04 | Kueken | gz .D |
| 00:44.13 | Bommes | Drag&Drop style |
| 00:44.18 | tordy | you put grid in there |
| 00:44.20 | tordy | that already got my interest |
| 00:44.27 | Bommes | I still have no idea what all the buttons do |
| 00:44.31 | Kueken | dont get me wrong, nothing wrong with tugs in general |
| 00:44.35 | Saltpeter | Yay, another grid afficionado! |
| 00:44.39 | A1win | I had an idea earlier today about a map that's basically a constant epic boss fight with some huge thing like overmind in the middle of the map, player spawning all around it as small squads, and battling it through random phases... any initial thoughts? o: |
| 00:44.42 | Bommes | and why there is nothing showing up in the bottom right window that is supposed to show all the values |
| 00:45.04 | tordy | cuz im thinkin about using grids for my next map |
| 00:45.21 | Saltpeter | Each player in the team has an entirely separate role. Sender plays a tug of war, Builder plays a TD, and Grid Overseer is an original creation. ;>.> |
| 00:45.29 | Saltpeter | It's kind of like a board game for the GO. |
| 00:46.05 | Kueken | okay |
| 00:46.27 | Kueken | different roles for players is always a sensitive matter, you need to handle these carefully |
| 00:46.41 | Kueken | otherwise every player wants to be role x |
| 00:47.29 | Kueken | they all have to have a meaningful effect on the game, and they all need to have stuff to do at all times etc |
| 00:48.00 | Saltpeter | I intend for every role to be absolutely vital for victory. That means full rooms will be required. I'll make 2v2 and 1v1 variants later if I get far enough with the 3v3. |
| 00:48.07 | Kueken | its easy to end up with one role having tons of stuff to do while other roles have serious downtime |
| 00:48.26 | Kueken | this will also cause tension in public games |
| 00:48.42 | Kueken | if you got one guy, who doesn't play his role well, you have lost |
| 00:48.55 | Saltpeter | Many games are already like that. :( |
| 00:48.58 | Kueken | sure |
| 00:49.01 | Saltpeter | Center in Vexal TD, for instance. |
| 00:49.17 | Kueken | just wanted to point out :) |
| 00:49.36 | Saltpeter | I'm aware the balancing hazards. Balancing games is like a hobby to me. :D |
| 00:49.55 | Kueken | also, the grid handling looks fairly complex from just reading it |
| 00:50.10 | Kueken | not sure how it ends up, if you se the grid ingame |
| 00:50.12 | Saltpeter | :3 Yeah. That's the hard part of the triggers for me. |
| 00:50.29 | Kueken | maybe its very intuitive to handle when playing, that would be optimal |
| 00:50.45 | Kueken | if its just confusing, many people probably won't bother |
| 00:51.18 | Kueken | not even talking about the development load, just end user experience |
| 00:51.29 | tordy | as evident by popular maps |
| 00:51.32 | tordy | people like simple games! |
| 00:51.42 | Kueken | essentially, yes |
| 00:51.52 | Kueken | or at least intuitive games |
| 00:51.52 | tordy | but i love grids man |
| 00:51.53 | Saltpeter | Rotating the grid will involve clicking on the grid overseer on a given gridspace and pressing the rotate grid button. It'll be just like the Bioshock hacking minigame. @.@ |
| 00:52.03 | tordy | grids are so good |
| 00:52.35 | Kueken | it can be fairly complex, as long as you instinctively know or can guess, what you can/need to do |
| 00:52.58 | Kueken | usually, its hard to realize both, but it happens :) |
| 00:54.02 | Kueken | anyway, I could see this being a fun map |
| 00:54.13 | Saltpeter | :D |
| 00:54.35 | Kueken | I cannot really picture it entirely, that will probably improve as you develop the map |
| 00:54.48 | tordy | Repo man |
| 00:55.02 | Kueken | and add some more screenshots to the presentation etc |
| 00:55.22 | Saltpeter | Yeah. |
| 00:55.29 | Kueken | also, dont underestimate the visuals |
| 00:55.48 | Kueken | try to make your grid look interesting |
| 00:55.55 | Kueken | as far as thats possible with a grid ;) |
| 00:56.21 | Saltpeter | I'm trying to get as far as I can with just triggers for now because the Data module is scary. |
| 00:56.29 | Kueken | :D |
| 00:56.33 | Kueken | certainly is |
| 00:56.44 | Kueken | but its a necessary evil |
| 00:57.37 | Kueken | also, screenshots complementing the explanation of the game mechanics might be helpful |
| 00:57.37 | Saltpeter | As a software engineer, the triggers module is like home to me. The data module is like a spreadsheet that you edit by switching your hand into a elephant's carcass and jiggling around the entrails. |
| 00:57.43 | Saltpeter | sticking* |
| 00:57.56 | Saltpeter | As soon as the game is capable of producing those screenshots, I'll have them. :D |
| 00:58.03 | Kueken | I came from WC3 mapping, where you would trigger everything |
| 00:58.14 | Kueken | then I met data |
| 00:58.22 | Kueken | we didnt get along very well |
| 00:58.43 | Kueken | but we sorted out our problems, at least partly |
| 00:59.09 | Saltpeter | It'll take a few more tutorials to get used to it. D: |
| 00:59.17 | Saltpeter | Some of the tutorials have misled me. |
| 00:59.20 | Kueken | :D |
| 00:59.32 | Kueken | when I entered data, there were no tutorials :D |
| 00:59.34 | Saltpeter | Like the one where he was using triggers when he should've used events. |
| 00:59.49 | Saltpeter | I mena... |
| 00:59.50 | Saltpeter | mean |
| 00:59.58 | Saltpeter | Events when he should've used actions. |
| 01:00.25 | Kueken | "should" is a strong word, there is so much stuff that you can do a thousand different ways |
| 01:00.47 | Kueken | and probably every way has people thinking you "should" do it that way |
| 01:01.27 | Saltpeter | Well, I mean, people in this very IRC were all "Why are you using events? You should use actions." ;>.> And I agree, and I understand why. |
| 01:01.39 | Kueken | :> |
| 01:01.43 | Kueken | well |
| 01:02.05 | A1win | are you talking about the one where I told you to use actions instead of run trigger? |
| 01:02.11 | Kueken | I do stuff differently than I would recommend it to people |
| 01:02.11 | Saltpeter | Yeah, that. |
| 01:02.11 | A1win | events and actions do different things :P |
| 01:02.58 | A1win | and yeah it was just a recommendation, it would've worked the other way too |
| 01:03.09 | Saltpeter | I'm sure, but I understand why you think it's better your way, and I agree. |
| 01:03.40 | A1win | when you use actions, they don't create a new thread when they're called (unless the action's options are set to create a new thread) |
| 01:03.46 | Saltpeter | I wouldn't have done it that way if I wasn't in a "just copy what the tutorial did" mindset. |
| 01:03.47 | A1win | but when running a trigger, it always creates a new thread |
| 01:03.58 | Saltpeter | Yeah. And that's bad when it's not necessary,. |
| 01:04.02 | A1win | and you can't pass parameters to triggers |
| 01:04.49 | A1win | I feel like designing a new map, something a *lot* simpler than CraftCraft this time :P |
| 01:05.06 | Saltpeter | I think I played CraftCraft before, but I don't remember what it's like. |
| 01:05.41 | Kueken | somehow, CraftCraft doesn't sound like an appealing title |
| 01:05.48 | Kueken | irony involved? |
| 01:05.53 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNZtrgClicU |
| 01:06.00 | A1win | that's from an older version |
| 01:06.23 | Saltpeter | OH |
| 01:06.25 | A1win | yeah I guess I should've thought of a better name :P |
| 01:06.25 | Saltpeter | Yeah! |
| 01:06.27 | Kueken | ah, right |
| 01:06.31 | Kueken | the power grid thing |
| 01:06.33 | Saltpeter | I was so close to winning that game once. |
| 01:06.47 | A1win | I've changed it quite a bit in the past couple of weeks again |
| 01:06.53 | Saltpeter | Ooh. |
| 01:06.56 | A1win | nothing too game changing yet, though |
| 01:07.08 | A1win | vehicles are more interesting now at least |
| 01:07.10 | A1win | and zerg bases |
| 01:07.12 | Kueken | I remember DSE and me debating about the best way to realize such a grid ;) |
| 01:07.26 | A1win | DSE? |
| 01:07.31 | Kueken | DrSuperEvil |
| 01:07.34 | A1win | ah |
| 01:07.38 | Bommes | okay, im tired of the bullshit that is the UI editor |
| 01:07.41 | Bommes | Kueken, go figure it out for me |
| 01:07.55 | Kueken | hots beta? |
| 01:07.58 | Bommes | y |
| 01:08.03 | Kueken | no access :> |
| 01:08.09 | Kueken | give me a key, and I will try |
| 01:08.13 | Vailreth | same here |
| 01:08.14 | Bommes | that is the wrong mindset! |
| 01:08.17 | Bommes | I don't have one either |
| 01:08.29 | Bommes | just downloaded the client without permissions |
| 01:08.35 | Kueken | I tried that |
| 01:08.38 | Kueken | didnt let me |
| 01:08.46 | A1win | I somehow like co-op games but they always have the problem of running out of content |
| 01:08.51 | Kueken | something about "file management problem" |
| 01:09.19 | Bommes | maybe it works pre hots too though, dont know |
| 01:09.44 | Kueken | in patch 1.5, there is this XML UI editor |
| 01:09.46 | A1win | would be cool to have a map that changes every play time based on how the players play it |
| 01:09.51 | Kueken | did they improve on it? |
| 01:09.54 | Bommes | yeah its the same hots |
| 01:09.57 | Bommes | but if the client is open |
| 01:09.59 | Bommes | and you are ingame |
| 01:10.04 | Bommes | and click on the "Preview Frame" |
| 01:10.08 | Bommes | and go into the client |
| 01:10.14 | A1win | by memorizing things they do in banks and using those to alter the game |
| 01:10.15 | Bommes | you will see the UI interface |
| 01:10.26 | Bommes | but it doesn't really work properly I think... I'm not sure |
| 01:10.32 | Bommes | its kind of weird |
| 01:11.19 | Blizz-Artestru | It's not really done. :) |
| 01:11.28 | Bommes | ah k |
| 01:11.34 | Bommes | that explains it a little I guess |
| 01:11.36 | Bommes | but looks promising :) |
| 01:11.39 | Blizz-Artestru | You can experiment with it, but it's still super early. |
| 01:11.55 | Blizz-Artestru | I wouldn't suggest spending much time on it doing real work. |
| 01:12.16 | Kueken | preview frame doesn't exist in 1.5 right? |
| 01:12.20 | Blizz-Artestru | Correct |
| 01:12.26 | Kueken | okay |
| 01:12.36 | Kueken | now how do I get my hands on the beta editor? |
| 01:12.37 | Vailreth | maybe i will get in once its a little more stable. |
| 01:13.10 | Blizz-Artestru | The rest of the editor should still be fairly stable. That feature came in hot. |
| 01:14.04 | Blizz-Artestru | Alright guys I'm out! |
| 01:14.09 | Kueken | when trying to launch beta installer, I got "An unexpected file management error occured" |
| 01:14.12 | Kueken | :/ |
| 01:14.14 | Bommes | bye bye |
| 01:14.15 | Kueken | bye |
| 01:14.15 | Blizz-Artestru | Uninstall your 1.5 beta |
| 01:14.18 | Saltpeter | o7 |
| 01:14.24 | Kueken | never had that |
| 01:14.30 | Blizz-Artestru | WoL beta? |
| 01:14.32 | Bommes | tried deleting the ProgramData\Battle.Net folders etc? |
| 01:14.34 | Kueken | nope |
| 01:14.40 | Blizz-Artestru | Do you have only one install of SC2? |
| 01:14.45 | Kueken | never was in any beta besides D3 |
| 01:15.09 | Blizz-Artestru | I had the same error because I had multiple installs of SC2. Check for that, otherwise I'm not sure. |
| 01:15.17 | Kueken | I have a copy of a german folder |
| 01:15.19 | Blizz-Artestru | Bye! |
| 01:15.22 | Kueken | but not properly installed |
| 01:15.25 | Bommes | I had like 10 different problems with patching/installing/starting D3 |
| 01:15.32 | Bommes | deleting the ProgramData/Battle.net folder |
| 01:15.36 | Bommes | solved them all :D |
| 01:16.35 | Kueken | not for me |
| 01:16.40 | Bommes | sad :/ |
| 01:17.00 | Kueken | deleted it a couple of times already, judging from my backups xD |
| 01:18.17 | Kueken | An error occurred while writing to your hard drive. Please make sure your hard drive is not full and try again. |
| 01:18.56 | Kueken | about 1 TB not enough? o_0 |
| 01:21.19 | Kueken | "Blizzard Launcher failed to resolve install data" |
| 01:21.28 | Kueken | new error on every start :) |
| 01:21.33 | Kueken | reminds me of D3 |
| 01:21.50 | Bommes | :D |
| 01:22.03 | Kueken | uh, now it works |
| 01:22.13 | Bommes | you just have to be persistent |
| 01:22.16 | Bommes | try it like 10-20 times |
| 01:22.19 | Kueken | without any change on my part besides trying it for 30 times |
| 01:22.21 | Bommes | restart pc a couple of times |
| 01:22.27 | Bommes | standard |
| 01:23.25 | Kueken | yeah, wear a garlic necklace and sacrifice a deep-freeze chicken |
| 01:23.29 | Kueken | usual stuff |
| 01:24.16 | A1win | don't forget to unplug and plug back in |
| 01:24.33 | Kueken | plug what in the chicken? |
| 01:24.48 | Kueken | btw, it crashed my flash player apparently o_0 |
| 01:25.05 | Bommes | its probably hardcoded into it, just to make the customers happy |
| 01:25.11 | Bommes | don't want no sudden surprises! |
| 01:25.19 | A1win | sleep time |
| 01:25.31 | Bommes | WOAH shit |
| 01:25.33 | Bommes | that was creepy |
| 01:25.42 | Bommes | grasshopper running in front of my screen |
| 01:25.44 | Kueken | well, I would bet my left pinky, that its an issue with the flash player |
| 01:25.51 | Bommes | with like 5cm long antennas |
| 01:25.52 | Kueken | such a garbage piece of software |
| 01:26.03 | Bommes | help :( |
| 01:26.08 | Bommes | the grasshopper hopped on my mouse |
| 01:26.11 | Tolkfan | Does anyone know if there were any custom maps or libraries that created RPG-style branching conversations, like in mass effect or fallout? |
| 01:26.20 | Bommes | im scared |
| 01:26.27 | Bommes | its really big |
| 01:26.39 | Kueken | kill it |
| 01:26.43 | Kueken | you got a mouse |
| 01:26.46 | Kueken | aim and shoot! |
| 01:26.53 | Bommes | ITS SITTING ON MY MOUSE |
| 01:27.11 | Kueken | it got your gun... |
| 01:27.16 | Bommes | yeah im defenseless |
| 01:27.18 | Kueken | well, gratz, you are fucked |
| 01:27.22 | Bommes | ah now it hopped away again |
| 01:27.28 | Bommes | ha! |
| 01:27.35 | Kueken | it proved its point |
| 01:27.40 | Tolkfan | use a deodorant as a flamethrower and kill it with fire |
| 01:27.48 | Kueken | it can overcome your defenses anytime |
| 01:27.54 | Kueken | you are not prepared! |
| 01:28.06 | Bommes | it will probably kill me anyway while im asleep |
| 01:28.25 | Bommes | so I should live my life in the most fulfilling way possible in the remaining hours |
| 01:28.35 | Kueken | sry, its like half past 3 am here, I am talking weird |
| 01:29.02 | Kueken | and hots is downloading |
| 01:29.06 | Bommes | day9 going on air soon |
| 01:29.13 | Bommes | reason why I'm still awake :) |
| 01:29.30 | Kueken | streaming hots, I presume? |
| 01:29.36 | Vailreth | yes |
| 01:29.42 | Bommes | idd |
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| 01:30.31 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 01:30.37 | Kueken | the beta is like 4 gb |
| 01:30.47 | Kueken | but I can play at 600 mb in already |
| 01:31.44 | Tolkfan | but you cant turn on the editor :P |
| 01:31.51 | Kueken | because of this *cough* AWESOME *cough* streaming technology ;) |
| 01:32.32 | Bommes | but what I noticed during the download |
| 01:32.42 | Bommes | the Blizzard download servers are actually really good by now |
| 01:33.02 | Bommes | had often problems getting good download speeds while downloading with the blizz downloader |
| 01:33.13 | Bommes | but hots beta client i had like 10 mb/s or something |
| 01:33.24 | Bommes | was pretty nice |
| 01:33.36 | Kueken | back when I downloaded SC2 vanilla, my speed did reset to zero every few minutes |
| 01:34.15 | Kueken | and it kept crashing my router for some reason, so it requested a new ip |
| 01:34.16 | Bommes | yeah, happened to me all the time too |
| 01:34.20 | Bommes | when I played WoW especially |
| 01:34.38 | Kueken | then had to restart the download and recheck for already downloaded data |
| 01:34.43 | Bommes | the patches were always painful to download |
| 01:34.54 | Kueken | and then Blizz locked my account |
| 01:35.12 | Kueken | because my SC2 was downloaded by like 20 different ips on the same day ;) |
| 01:35.24 | Bommes | :D |
| 01:35.54 | Kueken | so I expect the worst |
| 01:36.18 | Kueken | but no issue so far (besides getting the entire thing to work) |
| 01:36.22 | Kueken | me impressed |
| 01:38.20 | Kueken | :/ |
| 01:38.36 | Kueken | cannot play diablo 3 while sc2 beta is downloading |
| 01:43.20 | Saltpeter | I just added some new textures to the map, to make each team building area look like it they're hiding some long-buried metal plates. Different plates for each team. |
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| 02:27.46 | Vailreth | why is it so silent |
| 02:38.42 | Kueken | sleeping |
| 02:49.10 | *** join/#sc2mapster ckSynergy (ckSynergy@r74-192-50-68.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) |
| 02:49.13 | ckSynergy | evening |
| 02:49.27 | Vailreth | yo |
| 02:50.01 | ckSynergy | sup vailreth |
| 02:50.05 | ckSynergy | hows your project coming? |
| 02:50.51 | Vailreth | not going on at the moment |
| 02:52.04 | Vailreth | but i have an ability that spawns a purdition turret with 1 of five timed life behaviors depending on the ability level |
| 02:54.42 | ckSynergy | umm nice :) |
| 02:54.56 | Vailreth | yeah.. |
| 02:55.06 | ckSynergy | why 5 timed life behaviors tho? |
| 02:55.17 | ckSynergy | just set the duration low, and add multiple stacks |
| 02:55.20 | Vailreth | damn er game that i am downloading ... its taking for ever |
| 02:55.25 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 02:56.13 | Vailreth | eh .. |
| 02:57.16 | Vailreth | ihavehotsclientinstalling Ahem... |
| 02:57.45 | Vailreth | forgive me i sneezed |
| 02:57.46 | ckSynergy | you got into hots beta huh? |
| 02:57.55 | Vailreth | no... |
| 02:59.24 | Vailreth | i wont be playing till i get in offically |
| 03:00.25 | ckSynergy | oh is the client already available? |
| 03:01.08 | Vailreth | i dont want to say anything that will get me banned or anything but if you know how you can downloadit form battlenet |
| 03:02.31 | ckSynergy | so basically, if your not retarded. lol |
| 03:02.47 | Vailreth | sure we'll go with that |
| 03:02.50 | ckSynergy | whee. force effects |
| 03:04.27 | Vailreth | i had it installed once already but it was only pulling the WOL dependencies... |
| 03:06.02 | ckSynergy | wait, you have the hots dependancies? |
| 03:06.23 | Vailreth | just the multiplayer i would assume |
| 03:08.00 | ckSynergy | still... thats cool |
| 03:17.13 | Vailreth | hmm looks like it still will only pull in liberty even though swam is there |
| 03:43.06 | ckSynergy | oh well lol |
| 03:43.23 | ckSynergy | Not like HoTS offers anything new besides a couple of models |
| 03:43.36 | Vailreth | i wanted to see how the swarm host worked |
| 03:43.57 | ckSynergy | lol what? why? |
| 03:44.13 | ckSynergy | thats an easy unit to reproduce |
| 03:44.33 | Vailreth | yes i want to see if i did it like blizzard did |
| 03:44.41 | Vailreth | its just an itch i have |
| 03:44.42 | ckSynergy | lol probably |
| 03:44.48 | ckSynergy | yea I can understand that |
| 03:45.01 | ckSynergy | I want to see blizz all-stars to see if I did inventory like they did |
| 03:45.15 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 04:12.29 | ckSynergy | man, force effects suck balls lol |
| 04:12.34 | ckSynergy | pardon the language |
| 04:27.39 | A1win | would it be possible to use texture swap to put terrain textures on a model? (i.e. the cube) |
| 04:37.07 | Vailreth | likely A1win |
| 04:38.02 | Vailreth | you may have to make a texture reference to that terrain texture but after that it should be simple texture swap |
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| 05:08.59 | ckSynergy | Completely possible |
| 05:16.40 | A1win | cool |
| 05:17.53 | Vailreth | eh well... |
| 05:26.46 | Vailreth | i just had an interesting idea for a hero |
| 05:26.56 | Vailreth | or atleast a heroic ability for zerg |
| 05:27.06 | ckSynergy | ? |
| 05:27.45 | Vailreth | burrowed banlings that can move and pop up under unit clusters automatically |
| 05:27.57 | Vailreth | i know moving mines ... |
| 05:28.02 | ckSynergy | ... |
| 05:28.08 | ckSynergy | burrow move banelings? |
| 05:28.15 | Vailreth | yes |
| 05:28.15 | ckSynergy | like was gonna be in hots but got removed? |
| 05:28.24 | Vailreth | yes |
| 05:28.39 | ckSynergy | ... |
| 05:28.54 | ckSynergy | um, ok |
| 05:28.59 | Vailreth | you cant control them they just wander around untill they come across enough units close together |
| 05:29.30 | Vailreth | then unburrow and dettonate |
| 05:30.13 | Vailreth | i think it may be an ultimate skill for a trap oriented hero .. |
| 05:30.36 | ckSynergy | hmm. maybe |
| 05:31.07 | Vailreth | i could do some retexturing and instead of as much damage they do a little damage and cuase debuffs |
| 05:32.28 | Vailreth | the retexturing of it all could come later though there is a lot to banelings texture wise |
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| 05:36.33 | ckSynergy | hmm |
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| 06:37.58 | Vailreth | i think it could work out |
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| 08:57.10 | A1win | so difficult to think of a map to make when I don't feel like playing anything D: nothing seems interesting enough |
| 09:07.23 | ducky | yeah, with no excitement to drive you it's kinda difficult to do anything mapmaking related. Hopefully hots campaign will provide some inspiration material :D |
| 09:29.04 | Bommes | why do you want to make maps if you don't think its interesting |
| 09:29.20 | Bommes | seems pointless |
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| 09:31.34 | zenx1 | aww lol |
| 09:31.36 | zenx1 | http://i.imgur.com/Uvmaq.jpg |
| 09:31.43 | zenx1 | had to come share my enjoyment of this picture |
| 09:35.09 | ducky | xD |
| 09:35.29 | A1win | Bommes, I didn't say making maps is not interesting, I was talking about playing |
| 09:35.53 | ducky | though I got a feeling that D3 tried very hard to not be D2 instead :/ |
| 09:36.35 | zenx1 | I dont know what d3 tried |
| 09:36.37 | zenx1 | but it failed |
| 09:36.41 | ducky | ^^ |
| 09:36.58 | zenx1 | just the "tear" on the picture |
| 09:36.59 | zenx1 | perfect |
| 09:37.43 | ducky | :P |
| 09:40.02 | Ahli | http://glhfmag.com/latest-issue/ |
| 09:41.55 | zenx1 | whats that? |
| 09:42.12 | zenx1 | is there suppose to be something interesting there? |
| 09:43.40 | Ahli | it's the second issue of a fanmade sc2 magazine |
| 09:45.23 | A1win | does anyone know how to make a UI button that referees/spectators can see and click? |
| 09:45.46 | Bommes | @A1win but thats the same thing in the core |
| 09:45.54 | Bommes | if you don't like playing it why make a game |
| 09:46.03 | A1win | that's what I just said :P |
| 09:46.26 | Ahli | they can click dialog buttons of other players, though... |
| 09:47.20 | Bommes | I still can't follow |
| 09:47.23 | Bommes | ^^ |
| 09:47.49 | A1win | I want to make maps but can't think of a game that I'd want to play -> I have no maps I'd want to make |
| 09:48.03 | Bommes | yeah but how is that not pointless |
| 09:48.09 | zenx1 | hnmmm |
| 09:48.20 | zenx1 | If I wana heal unit should I use modify unit effect or healer effect? |
| 09:48.35 | A1win | Bommes, I don't understand what's so hard to get about this problem :P |
| 09:49.22 | Bommes | I get the problem |
| 09:49.26 | Bommes | but I don't get the motivation behind it |
| 09:49.41 | A1win | I've been making games all my life |
| 09:51.18 | zenx1 | can t you just make locked custom player groups |
| 09:51.25 | zenx1 | and show stuff to "referee" players |
| 09:51.54 | A1win | it was done in the trial of the xel'naga maps so it should be possible |
| 09:52.06 | A1win | I'm thinking it might be an XML UI button that's hooked to triggers with the UI hook thingy |
| 09:52.23 | zenx1 | have you tried if show all players shows to referees too? |
| 09:52.34 | A1win | yeah, doesn't |
| 09:52.43 | zenx1 | then I dont know |
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| 09:54.41 | A1win | except that in the trial of the xel'naga maps it also used the referee's camera to do stuff so I'm not completely sure if that actually was a referee... |
| 09:54.55 | A1win | or if they just faked it |
| 09:55.26 | zenx1 | exactly |
| 09:55.40 | zenx1 | could be like husky was referee and day 9 was jsut normal player |
| 09:55.58 | zenx1 | or both normal players and video is taken from replay for some reason |
| 09:55.58 | A1win | but it does have all the referee controls |
| 09:55.59 | zenx1 | who knows :D |
| 09:56.08 | A1win | it was a live event |
| 09:56.28 | A1win | and it was from day9's camera all the time |
| 09:57.19 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H_3wlTdjbw&t=35m40s just a random moment from a game |
| 09:57.50 | A1win | hmm |
| 09:58.01 | A1win | it does show resources only for one player, is that normal? |
| 09:58.09 | A1win | for a referee, or should it be displaying them for all players |
| 09:58.47 | zenx1 | I dont really care |
| 09:58.53 | zenx1 | I watched a bit of it |
| 09:59.01 | zenx1 | seemed too random to be enjoyable |
| 09:59.04 | A1win | what do you mean care? |
| 09:59.19 | A1win | what does caring about those games have anything to do with this :P |
| 09:59.31 | A1win | I'm just trying to get UI working for a referee, not make a copy of those maps |
| 09:59.57 | zenx1 | well I dont care |
| 09:59.57 | zenx1 | :D |
| 10:00.02 | A1win | <.< |
| 10:00.08 | zenx1 | ask blizz staff once they come |
| 10:00.09 | A1win | why do you keep replying then |
| 10:00.14 | zenx1 | and hope they care |
| 10:00.25 | zenx1 | Indeed I should keep my mouth shut |
| 10:00.48 | zenx1 | I was hoping to find sollution before I stopped caring |
| 10:00.58 | zenx1 | but I overestimated my own abilities |
| 10:02.21 | A1win | hmm maybe I did something wrong with the triggers |
| 10:02.46 | A1win | maybe it needs at least one player who the dialog is visible to |
| 10:03.11 | A1win | if I show it to "all players" it might just show it to all players that are available |
| 10:08.19 | A1win | didn't work by showing to player 0... |
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| 10:10.17 | A1win | bah |
| 10:10.21 | A1win | still nothing |
| 10:10.30 | A1win | it shows when I turn on the camera for the player I'm showing it to |
| 10:10.38 | A1win | but not if I have the "everyone" camera on |
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| 10:12.09 | A1win | one more idea o: |
| 10:13.18 | A1win | bah can't be a screen button, they don't have functions to hide them for specific players |
| 10:13.45 | A1win | so how did they do that D: |
| 10:14.46 | zenx1 | magic |
| 10:20.41 | A1win | interesting, when I click the button as referee, it returns 3 as my player number |
| 10:21.43 | A1win | if only I had tried showing it to player 3 in the first place <.< |
| 10:23.04 | A1win | pfft, still doesn't work |
| 10:26.34 | A1win | woot |
| 10:26.52 | A1win | there is a Default Observerd setting in player properties |
| 10:27.06 | A1win | that actually sets from which player's view the game is observed with the "everyone" view |
| 10:27.12 | A1win | so it's even better than I thought O_O |
| 10:27.31 | A1win | can control the observers' vision and stuff |
| 10:28.12 | A1win | zenx1, I'm now a wizard |
| 10:28.21 | zenx1 | Im so proud of you |
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| 11:17.35 | zenx1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eKQWJ-HYIc&feature=g-all-u |
| 11:17.46 | zenx1 | pertty interesting rant about greenlight |
| 11:17.59 | zenx1 | makes me wonder if those stars could be replaced just by "like" button |
| 11:18.17 | zenx1 | I think it would overal make more sense |
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| 11:26.28 | Kueken | Good Möhrning |
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| 11:52.22 | EnEmY | haylo? |
| 11:55.19 | ducky | hi |
| 11:57.10 | EnEmY | do you love me ducky? |
| 12:04.08 | ducky | do you want to be loved by me? |
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| 12:48.49 | Ahli | do you guys got a hots beta in your bnet account, too? I didn't receive a mail or any notice at all and it is there today... |
| 12:50.26 | EnEmY | ducky everyone needs to be loved :D in the gayest way possible |
| 12:50.47 | EnEmY | ahli yeah we all have hots beta |
| 12:51.05 | EnEmY | there's a few terrains with the mod in custom maps already |
| 12:51.43 | ducky | well, everyone except me, since blizzard doesn't love me :P |
| 12:53.30 | EnEmY | lol |
| 12:53.53 | EnEmY | maybe try joining one of the games that has the mod installed idk |
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| 12:55.01 | ducky | not a big loss honestly, I haven't played melee in a while and don't have any plans for it in future either.. |
| 12:55.03 | Almaity | So, a friend of mine who borrowed my account placed me into the same division as mouzMana |
| 12:55.08 | Almaity | Im so fucked |
| 12:55.45 | ducky | why would it matter almaity? :P |
| 12:55.59 | Almaity | Cause that meas my accounts has a similar MMR to the pros >.> |
| 12:56.17 | Almaity | my friend is actually pretty damn good at the game (Like rank 1k worldwide) |
| 12:57.02 | ducky | ooh.. well, I bet it was a aprt of his plan for you to abandon any hope on laddering and surrender your account to him, permamently :D |
| 12:57.13 | Almaity | Wouldnt be surprised :p |
| 12:59.40 | EnEmY | the only reasonable option is to kill your friend |
| 12:59.57 | EnEmY | then you're one spot closer to your ladder skill goal |
| 13:00.15 | EnEmY | and he never does this again :D |
| 13:06.59 | zenxu | mm not even sure if melee is different enough in hots for my taste |
| 13:07.02 | zenxu | i dont wana use orcale |
| 13:07.10 | zenxu | but I guess I could use that turtle tempest master tactic |
| 13:07.29 | zenxu | Maybe a few new strategies I guess |
| 13:09.47 | A1win | any idea why one of my computer players won't use his starting workers at all if I use the "create starting units for player" action instead of "for all players" D: the AI works otherwise fine, starts training a worker and so on... but the starting workers just stand still, and the other computer AI uses them |
| 13:11.00 | A1win | I'm tryin to have 2 players play 1v1 melee while players in team 3 play differently... but somehow the start locations are getting all messed up so I had to use the specific player melee actions, but they're getting buggy with the AI |
| 13:19.16 | zenxu | *drumroll* |
| 13:19.20 | zenxu | almost all bugs fixed |
| 13:19.30 | zenxu | atleast I think they are |
| 13:19.37 | zenxu | until proven otherwise t-t |
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| 13:50.44 | ckSynergy | ok, so, let me get this straight. force effects are radial, never linear eh? |
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| 14:06.33 | JademusSreg | iirc, yeah, but it's a matter of implementation. Change the arc and the filters to what one desires. |
| 14:19.23 | ckSynergy | right, but even changing the arc has its limitations |
| 14:21.27 | ckSynergy | even so, I think the primary problem is most force effects people create are based of blizzards implementation, which is all the same basic effect. A shockwave which does a slight push |
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| 14:22.46 | JademusSreg | The shockwave shown at BlizzCon with the Uberlisk, the same shockwave used by the Hybrid, was crude. |
| 14:23.06 | JademusSreg | Applying behaviors to raise unit height, then lower unit height, not very elegant. |
| 14:23.49 | ckSynergy | you have a better recommendation? |
| 14:24.05 | JademusSreg | Script a physics engine. |
| 14:24.08 | zenxu | triggaaaars |
| 14:24.34 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 14:24.46 | zenxu | I would say my knockback/jump physics are quite elegant |
| 14:24.50 | zenxu | even thou it might not be realistic |
| 14:25.07 | JademusSreg | Elegant in their implementation? |
| 14:25.40 | zenxu | sure |
| 14:26.10 | ckSynergy | Thing is, im trying to create a push effect, not a "knockback". I believe force effects is what I *should* use, but Im still drafting out the concept |
| 14:26.57 | zenxu | push and knocback are like the same? |
| 14:26.59 | zenxu | or? |
| 14:27.07 | A1win | JademusSreg, is there a simple way to spawn some players to melee start locations and some without a start location (and without units) and not having to lock teams on lobby? more specifically all players in team 1 and 2 should spawn to start locations with starting units, and all players in any other team should not use a start location D: |
| 14:27.14 | JademusSreg | Scripting the physics to solve this problem enables other solutions further along. |
| 14:28.15 | JademusSreg | A1, probably. Though you'll need a way to define a valid start location. Like using points. And start locations are really just points. |
| 14:28.47 | A1win | there is a built in system that chooses them but it ties them based on player number instead of per team |
| 14:28.52 | ckSynergy | I haven't found any limitations to the editor, data wise or trigger wise, to do things in a proper manner |
| 14:28.59 | ckSynergy | its just a matter of figuring out what you need to do |
| 14:29.00 | A1win | would suck to recode that start location selection |
| 14:29.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | Morning |
| 14:29.21 | A1win | because there are no dynamic point lists like there are unit and player groups |
| 14:29.27 | JademusSreg | ck, more or less. I personally love the editor. I'm just not interested in modding anymore. |
| 14:29.59 | A1win | maybe I should just spawn a dummy unit on the start locations and use unit groups =p |
| 14:30.05 | JademusSreg | A1, there's a number of approaches that would work, some scaling better than others. |
| 14:30.16 | JademusSreg | How large is the map, how many players? |
| 14:30.49 | A1win | it'd be a melee map modification, so it might vary |
| 14:31.18 | JademusSreg | And as I recall, there are natives for spawning units are a given location and such. So even if you wanted to play repeatable matches in a single game, it's easily doable. |
| 14:31.45 | zenxu | evening delatrius |
| 14:31.45 | A1win | yeah the spawn starting units function works fine |
| 14:31.47 | JademusSreg | Rather, spawning starting units for a player at a location, in the style of melee. |
| 14:31.49 | A1win | it's just the choosing the locations |
| 14:32.08 | zenxu | Blizz-Deletarius: btw did you watch my magic RPG video? |
| 14:32.20 | zenxu | (its the best rpg of sc2) |
| 14:32.23 | Blizz-Deletarius | I didn't know there was a magic rpg video |
| 14:32.43 | zenxu | aww you dont check out sc2mapster frontpage when you go to work |
| 14:32.47 | zenxu | dissapointing :( |
| 14:32.51 | JademusSreg | Well, you could make a linked list and store the points there. Or make a 2d array and store the start points there; makes retrieval from a random inital point in the set easier. |
| 14:32.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | I just sat down :P |
| 14:33.04 | Blizz-Deletarius | if you want to see something amazing: http://i.imgur.com/OCMnRh.jpg |
| 14:33.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | Long exposure from the ISS |
| 14:33.26 | A1win | shuffle is so painful to code from scratch :I |
| 14:33.33 | zenxu | humm |
| 14:33.39 | zenxu | not impressed |
| 14:33.45 | A1win | but yeah I guess I have to |
| 14:33.59 | JademusSreg | So if you have a [3][3], and the first player in team 1 starts in, [2][0], you'd start the next player in a neighboring start point by incrementing or decrementing the dimension of the array. |
| 14:34.30 | JademusSreg | I'd prefer linked lists, but vanilla galaxy isn't exactly oop. |
| 14:34.55 | JademusSreg | Del, that is the craziest thing I have seen today. |
| 14:34.59 | Blizz-Deletarius | I know :D |
| 14:35.26 | A1win | not all maps have definite areas for team spawns, some are like circular o: |
| 14:35.32 | ckSynergy | Del: What is that? |
| 14:35.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | there's tons more of it here: http://www.reddit.com/r/spaceporn/ (yes I know the name sounds bad, but, keep in mind that i'm at work and sending this link) |
| 14:35.48 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's a long exposure from the international space station |
| 14:35.52 | A1win | if I use dummy units, I could use the closest unit function to get the closest locatios O.o |
| 14:36.03 | JademusSreg | A1, what you really need is a mesh. =D |
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| 14:36.32 | Blizz-Deletarius | are you familiar with what long exposure is ck? |
| 14:36.32 | tordy | wasssup dudes and dudettes |
| 14:36.33 | JademusSreg | So each point defines its links to its neighboring points. |
| 14:36.41 | ckSynergy | dude thats insane |
| 14:36.50 | zenxu | Blizz-Deletarius: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zg7FsozRwu0 |
| 14:36.52 | G0A | Ehh, why it is that I cant see the nexus war's triggers on EU if I download the map |
| 14:36.53 | JademusSreg | But again, that's not exactly simple in vanilla galaxy. |
| 14:36.58 | tordy | woah blizz here early |
| 14:37.00 | A1win | mm.. |
| 14:37.01 | ckSynergy | Del: yes |
| 14:37.03 | tordy | 7:30 AM ? |
| 14:37.09 | tordy | in the pacific |
| 14:37.27 | ckSynergy | took me a minute to realize that was earth and not some photoshop render from the space station lol |
| 14:37.35 | ckSynergy | goes to get more coffee |
| 14:37.52 | tordy | anyway |
| 14:37.58 | tordy | hello JademusSreg |
| 14:37.59 | JademusSreg | Unrelated: it makes no sense that Zerus is a jungle texture set. |
| 14:38.43 | Blizz-Deletarius | zerus is a jungle planet |
| 14:38.59 | JademusSreg | I don't much care about retcons and such. Just observing that the zerg homeworld would be more... zergy. |
| 14:39.01 | G0A | I like long exposure with milky way http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/231/cache/space101-milky-way-iran-alamut_23163_600x450.jpg |
| 14:39.07 | A1win | 1) spawn dummy unit on every start location 2) pick random unit from those 3) pick team size - 1 closest units to that unit in those units 4) spawn team 1 there 5) spawn team 2 in the rest |
| 14:39.27 | JademusSreg | The lore in the manual portrayed Zerus much like Char. =D |
| 14:39.36 | A1win | does that make sense? |
| 14:39.40 | JademusSreg | Emphasis on the "barren" quality. |
| 14:39.47 | tordy | blizzard game manuals aren't like they used to be :( |
| 14:39.53 | tordy | remember the wc3 manual? |
| 14:40.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | that's not just blizzard though |
| 14:40.11 | JademusSreg | A1, less than elegant, but at least it's feasible. =D |
| 14:40.19 | A1win | ;p |
| 14:40.22 | tordy | yea |
| 14:40.24 | A1win | I'm lazy |
| 14:40.29 | tordy | manusla just gone downhill |
| 14:40.32 | tordy | remember PC game manuals in the 90s |
| 14:40.37 | Blizz-Deletarius | yep |
| 14:40.39 | tordy | full of information |
| 14:40.39 | tordy | and lore |
| 14:40.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | I still have my original blizzard manuals |
| 14:40.46 | JademusSreg | I do like how the Zerus flora was made to look more Zerg-like. |
| 14:40.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | I think the only one I don't have isssss |
| 14:40.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | D1 and WC2 |
| 14:41.04 | Blizz-Deletarius | I still have my d1 cd though |
| 14:41.21 | JademusSreg | I mean, trees with mouths. That looks like The Evil Dead. |
| 14:41.26 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 14:41.27 | tordy | blizz can make you free copies of old stuff right? |
| 14:41.27 | ckSynergy | ah hahaha |
| 14:41.37 | Blizz-Deletarius | like what? |
| 14:41.45 | tordy | like d1 wc2 manuals |
| 14:41.47 | ckSynergy | I cleaned up yesterday and found I still had my WC2 manual |
| 14:41.48 | ckSynergy | irony |
| 14:41.50 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh I can get those if I want |
| 14:41.57 | tordy | not the same feeling right? |
| 14:42.00 | tordy | if you get em now |
| 14:42.08 | Blizz-Deletarius | they're all online in pdf form I think? |
| 14:42.15 | tordy | oh digital form |
| 14:42.16 | tordy | that's lame |
| 14:42.23 | tordy | old manuals are more like collector's items |
| 14:42.25 | Blizz-Deletarius | well, yea |
| 14:42.26 | tordy | gotta be physical |
| 14:42.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | I agree |
| 14:42.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | that's why I have hundreds of vinyl records |
| 14:42.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | makes moving a PITA but, I love them |
| 14:43.01 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 14:43.08 | ckSynergy | I feel ya there Del |
| 14:43.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | I mean, they weigh nothing on their own |
| 14:43.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | but... |
| 14:43.35 | Blizz-Deletarius | anyway |
| 14:43.48 | Blizz-Deletarius | have you guys been throwing tutorial links on to the main thread? |
| 14:44.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | we're going to start putting some of the good ones on 2nd post |
| 14:44.04 | JademusSreg | I guess what bothers me isn't the retconniness of Zerus made a jungle, but rather I can't imagine the Zerg homeworld would be less infested than any of the worlds in the Koprulu Sector they've invaded. Just seems implausible, is all. |
| 14:44.23 | JademusSreg | With one exception. |
| 14:45.02 | ckSynergy | tutorial links? |
| 14:45.12 | tordy | what tutorial links |
| 14:45.30 | JademusSreg | If the Zerg on Zerus were instructed to make like a tree, and root themselves to the ground and photosynthesize, that would explain it. |
| 14:45.34 | ckSynergy | idk what tutorial links, but Im scared. half the tutorials on SC2M are wicked outdated |
| 14:45.58 | zenxu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuN8OB4_87s |
| 14:46.07 | zenxu | I still think someone should make mining map |
| 14:46.08 | zenxu | maybe I will do it myself ^^ |
| 14:47.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | yea, sec |
| 14:47.35 | Blizz-Deletarius | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6352585729 |
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| 14:47.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | that link |
| 14:48.20 | JademusSreg | Or after the Zerg decimated the Xel'Naga, they packed their sacs and left, and never colonized the planet in the first place. |
| 14:48.30 | JademusSreg | shrugs. |
| 14:48.52 | ckSynergy | uhhhh |
| 14:49.02 | ckSynergy | have you ever seen winter texans? |
| 14:49.12 | ckSynergy | They dont stick around when the conditions arent optimal |
| 14:49.16 | ckSynergy | probably the same with zerg |
| 14:49.25 | JademusSreg | Exactly the opposite with the Zerg. |
| 14:49.38 | JademusSreg | They prefer inhospitable conditions to facilitate more robust mutations. |
| 14:49.48 | JademusSreg | See: Char |
| 14:50.17 | tordy | is it possible to change layouts mid-gaem? |
| 14:50.20 | tordy | for a specific player |
| 14:50.28 | tordy | i want a player to choose between minimal and regular UIs |
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| 14:52.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | are you doing this through triggers or UI? |
| 14:52.39 | JademusSreg | I know you can disable frames dynamically. |
| 14:52.44 | tordy | i'd imagine triggers |
| 14:52.51 | JademusSreg | So if those are the only two states, should be simple. |
| 14:52.53 | tordy | im just trying to know if it's possible |
| 14:52.59 | Blizz-Deletarius | well then sure, why wouldn't it be? |
| 14:53.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | hide dialog 1, show dialog 2 |
| 14:53.12 | tordy | i mean the UI |
| 14:53.14 | tordy | probably |
| 14:53.17 | tordy | not dialogs |
| 14:53.23 | tordy | cuz dialogs aren't pretty |
| 14:53.33 | tordy | i mean things like the minimap |
| 14:53.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | not pretty to work with or not aesthetically pleasing? |
| 14:53.43 | tordy | dont think you can make those out of dialogs right? |
| 14:53.48 | tordy | well maybe you could but it'll be complicated |
| 14:53.50 | Blizz-Deletarius | well the minimap is UI |
| 14:53.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | but that can be turned on and off |
| 14:53.56 | tordy | exactly |
| 14:54.00 | tordy | not so much turn on or off |
| 14:54.02 | tordy | but make it smaller |
| 14:54.04 | tordy | mid-game |
| 14:54.10 | tordy | based on player's options |
| 14:54.21 | Blizz-Deletarius | one moment |
| 14:54.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | how much work have you done with the UI editor? |
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| 14:54.35 | tordy | just about none |
| 14:54.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | and xml layout files |
| 14:54.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok |
| 14:54.49 | tordy | ive messed with it a lil bit actually |
| 14:54.51 | Blizz-Deletarius | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/20323-ui-sc2layout-files-override-method-aiurchef-method/#w-how-to-move-a-frame |
| 14:54.51 | tordy | i know how to move frames |
| 14:54.53 | tordy | hide them |
| 14:55.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | you've gone through that tutorial? |
| 14:55.09 | JademusSreg | 1) You can make new UI frames. (Though it's arguable whether or not they will be updated like the standard frames.) 2) You certainly can make pretty UI elements from entirely-scripted dialogs, but it entails a lot of work. |
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| 14:55.43 | ckSynergy | >.> |
| 14:55.45 | Blizz-Deletarius | that tutorial is almost still working correctly, but, you don't have to import the layout file |
| 14:55.50 | ckSynergy | thats what I mean by outdated tutorials |
| 14:56.02 | TheSkunk__ | Hello |
| 14:56.08 | Blizz-Deletarius | the tutorial video works fine, I checked it yesterday |
| 14:56.20 | tordy | but layouts are static arent they? |
| 14:56.22 | tordy | you cant change them mid-game |
| 14:56.38 | ckSynergy | depends on what youre trying to change |
| 14:56.46 | Blizz-Deletarius | there's just 1 bit that isn't correct, and that has to deal with the whole importing the sc2layout file |
| 14:57.02 | JademusSreg | You certain could try making a new UI element that defines the Minimap or MinimapTemplate as its parent. The trouble, besides the uncertainty if it would work correctly, is referencing it from the triggers/script. |
| 14:57.19 | tordy | here's what i want to change |
| 14:57.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6471837878 |
| 14:57.27 | tordy | the command card |
| 14:57.29 | JademusSreg | Last time I checked, UI modifying natives didn't support arbitrary frame references. |
| 14:57.31 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 14:57.35 | Blizz-Deletarius | have you seen Tenarsis' post? |
| 14:57.40 | tordy | by default it's 5x3 on the bottom right |
| 14:57.41 | tordy | i WANT that to be an option |
| 14:57.46 | tordy | but i also want |
| 14:57.49 | tordy | a minimal option forthe players |
| 14:57.55 | tordy | that want something like a 1x15 on the bottom of the screen |
| 14:58.06 | ckSynergy | ah |
| 14:58.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | well, once Tenarsis gets in I'll ask him about it |
| 14:58.41 | tordy | is this possible? |
| 14:58.44 | ckSynergy | You cant change that ingame |
| 14:58.47 | ckSynergy | no |
| 14:58.49 | tordy | figures |
| 14:58.50 | ckSynergy | well, yes and no |
| 14:58.59 | tordy | dialogs i can imagine it's doable |
| 14:59.03 | ducky | is Is there a smiple way (like a flag) to make unit unpushable? |
| 14:59.04 | tordy | but really complicated |
| 14:59.11 | ckSynergy | yea, youd have to use dialogs |
| 14:59.15 | tordy | and it'll be delayed |
| 14:59.16 | tordy | which i dont like |
| 14:59.29 | ckSynergy | as far as the actual layout file, the buttons are attached via xml, and thats something you cant modify in game |
| 14:59.36 | tordy | like you select a unit, it takes like 200ms for the command card to update |
| 14:59.42 | tordy | meanwhile if you use layouts, it's instant |
| 15:00.19 | ckSynergy | hmmm |
| 15:00.20 | ckSynergy | you know |
| 15:00.24 | tordy | that's the main problem with dialogs |
| 15:00.27 | tordy | is the delay |
| 15:00.28 | ckSynergy | you might try making a duplicate xml layout file |
| 15:00.33 | ckSynergy | 1 second |
| 15:01.09 | ckSynergy | hmmm... yea... that might work |
| 15:01.33 | tordy | if using layouts, i'd guess there's gonna be multiple layouits |
| 15:01.40 | tordy | and using triggers to somehow switch between them |
| 15:01.43 | tordy | for a specific player |
| 15:01.54 | ckSynergy | yes |
| 15:01.57 | tordy | that'd be a pretty awesome feature |
| 15:02.05 | ckSynergy | I think you can do it |
| 15:02.44 | ckSynergy | Basically, make a new layout definition, copy the command card code over to it |
| 15:03.04 | ckSynergy | then use "Define Standard UI" trigger code to attach the new layout and the old to seperate variable |
| 15:03.12 | ckSynergy | then show/hide depending on player selection |
| 15:03.20 | ckSynergy | thats all theory, of course, but it should work |
| 15:03.27 | tordy | you serious? |
| 15:03.38 | tordy | it'd be cool if you try it out |
| 15:03.44 | tordy | and make a sampel map |
| 15:03.48 | tordy | because im not very familiar with layouts |
| 15:03.58 | ckSynergy | I'd try it now if I could lol |
| 15:04.00 | ckSynergy | im intrigued |
| 15:04.21 | ckSynergy | however, I have a project im debugging, and my computer is about to catch on fire if I throw one more process at it |
| 15:04.39 | ckSynergy | Data+UI modules + SCII = One loud ass machine |
| 15:04.40 | tordy | what's blizz got to say about this theory? |
| 15:04.51 | Blizz-Deletarius | try it out :) |
| 15:04.56 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 15:05.02 | ckSynergy | I love that |
| 15:05.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | well |
| 15:05.17 | ckSynergy | Its like, you dont have the Blizz- tag, so you dont know jack |
| 15:05.20 | ckSynergy | its epicccc |
| 15:05.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | my favorite thing, when people ask me if something will happen, is to then ask them "have you tried it?" |
| 15:05.48 | ckSynergy | and the answer is usually "no" right? lol |
| 15:05.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | right |
| 15:05.55 | tordy | oh :( |
| 15:06.33 | ckSynergy | Here's what I know |
| 15:06.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | ck, give me a moment and I'll try |
| 15:06.53 | ckSynergy | You can duplicate a frame, or apply a template to a dialog, which isnt much of a problem, but then you lose mouse input |
| 15:07.08 | tordy | lose mouse input? |
| 15:07.29 | tordy | i'd love to try but im not familiar with layouts |
| 15:07.33 | tordy | i'll prob have to read the tutorial again |
| 15:07.41 | ckSynergy | as for the layout files, you can have however many, the only thing Im wondering is if the xml chains, or if there is some hidden function inside the xml that we dont see that applys things like buttons and unit names |
| 15:07.54 | ckSynergy | because there really is no variable or modifyable constants to change things like that |
| 15:08.11 | ckSynergy | when I say lose mouse input, I mean you cant click things |
| 15:08.15 | ckSynergy | so for example, the inventory |
| 15:08.33 | ckSynergy | if you duplicate the template, youll see all your shiny invcentory buttons |
| 15:08.36 | ckSynergy | but you cant click on them |
| 15:08.50 | ckSynergy | because "AcceptsMouse" is an xml tag, and doesnt apply to dialogs |
| 15:09.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | have you made the frame that they occupy large enough to fit all of the contents within it? |
| 15:10.07 | ckSynergy | Del: you asking me? |
| 15:10.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes |
| 15:10.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | cause for instance |
| 15:10.16 | ckSynergy | of course |
| 15:10.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | <Frame type="CommandPanel" name="GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/CommandPanel" file="GameUI"> <Anchor side="Bottom" relative="$parent" pos="Max" offset="0"/> <Anchor side="Right" relative="$parent" pos="Max" offset="0"/> <Width val="380"/> <Height val="660"/> <Unclipped val="true"/> </Frame> |
| 15:10.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | if the height value wasn't high enough |
| 15:10.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | and you had frames within that, ie command card buttons |
| 15:10.59 | ckSynergy | it would hide the buttons |
| 15:11.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | well no |
| 15:11.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | <Unclipped val="true |
| 15:11.12 | Blizz-Deletarius | "/> |
| 15:11.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | that prevents them from being hidden |
| 15:11.24 | ckSynergy | havent seen that command before |
| 15:11.25 | Blizz-Deletarius | however you can't actually do anything |
| 15:11.37 | Blizz-Artestru | Morning |
| 15:11.40 | ckSynergy | O.o oh snapple |
| 15:11.46 | ckSynergy | morning Art |
| 15:11.46 | Bommes | hello :) |
| 15:11.48 | Blizz-Deletarius | you can't click on it, you can't get any tooltips, etc |
| 15:11.53 | Blizz-Deletarius | but, it's still there |
| 15:12.06 | ckSynergy | right because the mouse event is attached to the container dialog not the buttons |
| 15:12.35 | Blizz-Deletarius | <Unclipped val="true"/> or "false" dictates whether or not what's contained within the frame is visibly clipped if it goes outside of the bounds of the frame |
| 15:12.37 | ckSynergy | still, when you clone a template using a dialog, ex, Define a new Panel dialog item using template X |
| 15:12.48 | ckSynergy | mouse inputs wont work, even if you use the default templates |
| 15:13.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | you're talking about the "Create Dialog Item From Template" action, right? |
| 15:14.26 | ckSynergy | yea |
| 15:15.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | and you've used the "Hookup standard dialog item" trigger action as well, right? |
| 15:15.10 | ckSynergy | it grabs everything but the "acceptsmouse" flagg :) |
| 15:15.14 | ckSynergy | yes |
| 15:15.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | hmmm |
| 15:15.25 | ckSynergy | Del: dont worry about me |
| 15:15.35 | ckSynergy | I'm more than capable with my xml/layouts |
| 15:15.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | right |
| 15:15.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | this is still an issue for others though |
| 15:15.52 | ckSynergy | :) |
| 15:15.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | and I wish to fix that |
| 15:16.12 | ckSynergy | I thought it was standard lol |
| 15:16.18 | ckSynergy | its a bug? |
| 15:16.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | it might be |
| 15:16.42 | ckSynergy | well snap. if that gets fixed that opens a whole new world of possibilities |
| 15:16.46 | Blizz-Deletarius | exactly |
| 15:17.40 | ckSynergy | oh, hey, Ive been meaning to ask |
| 15:17.52 | tordy | what gets fixed |
| 15:19.10 | ckSynergy | If someone wanted to publish a "how to galaxy" book for profit, would that need blizzards approval? |
| 15:19.27 | ckSynergy | Like "Galaxy for Dummies" |
| 15:19.48 | Blizz-Deletarius | I'm not 100%, but other books like that have been made before, ie, the creating wow ui book |
| 15:19.52 | tordy | i think reading a C for dummies + galaxy API should be enough to get you knowledge about galaxy |
| 15:19.56 | ckSynergy | tordy: In short, when you duplicate a standard template in a dialog, it doesnt accept mouse input. |
| 15:20.27 | Saltpeter | ;>.> My knowledge of C doesn't help me much with the Data module, to be honest. |
| 15:20.29 | ckSynergy | tordy: you miss the point of the question, but regardless... |
| 15:20.49 | tordy | data module is separate from galaxy anyway |
| 15:20.52 | Saltpeter | Ah. |
| 15:20.54 | tordy | so not too related |
| 15:20.54 | ckSynergy | >.> |
| 15:21.08 | Saltpeter | What parts of the SC2 editor comprise Galaxy? |
| 15:21.09 | JademusSreg | Data is easy. Scripting is easy. Both just need a bit of specialized knowledge to leverage well. |
| 15:21.22 | tordy | difficulty is subjective |
| 15:21.26 | Saltpeter | ^ |
| 15:21.27 | JademusSreg | Galaxy is the name of the scripting language. |
| 15:21.36 | Saltpeter | Aha. |
| 15:21.37 | ckSynergy | head desks |
| 15:21.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | right, I wouldn't necessarily say that data is easy per-say |
| 15:21.43 | JademusSreg | Yep. Difficulty is subjective, relative to capability. =D |
| 15:21.51 | Saltpeter | Ehh. |
| 15:21.56 | Saltpeter | I disagree with that. |
| 15:22.00 | JademusSreg | Feel free. |
| 15:22.15 | tordy | JademusSreg is allowed to say it's easy cuz he's a genius |
| 15:22.17 | Saltpeter | Fine, fine, I see you're bent on being smug about this. ;>.> |
| 15:22.23 | tordy | >:[ |
| 15:22.32 | Saltpeter | I won't belabor the point. |
| 15:22.32 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 15:22.38 | JademusSreg | I'm bent on being smug about everything, obviously. That's the level of discourse here. |
| 15:22.45 | Blizz-Deletarius | it has a learning curve, that once you understand how the data works, it's much easier to work with, but reaching the level of understanding isn't something that you just do in an afternoon |
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| 15:23.19 | tordy | ckSynergy i wasnt really answering the question |
| 15:23.23 | Saltpeter | Some people forget what it's like to be new at somethign the moment they stop being new at it. :( |
| 15:23.26 | ckSynergy | ^ only took me about 3000 hours lol |
| 15:23.29 | tordy | :] |
| 15:23.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's the same kind of thing with Maya, people say that maya's stupidly hard to learn and has a ridiculous learning curve, meanwhile I love it |
| 15:23.54 | ckSynergy | bahahahaha really? |
| 15:24.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes |
| 15:24.02 | ckSynergy | omg Maya is so freakin simple |
| 15:24.07 | ckSynergy | #DS Max |
| 15:24.08 | JademusSreg | How to learn data and scripting: start by being curious. Look at how standard assets work. Tinker. When you want to do something but are uncertain, find the closest example in the assets as a reference. |
| 15:24.09 | ckSynergy | thats another story |
| 15:24.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | exactly |
| 15:24.15 | ckSynergy | 3DS* |
| 15:24.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | but the 3ds guys say that max is super easy and maya is this whole other thing |
| 15:24.34 | tordy | some people just dont have the mindset for logic |
| 15:24.38 | tordy | so it's much more difficult for them |
| 15:24.46 | ckSynergy | but god, Using Maya I went from knowning nothing of 3d to having a decent looking and somewhat complex C&C Juggernaut in a month :) |
| 15:24.53 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 15:24.56 | ckSynergy | I dont see how |
| 15:24.59 | ckSynergy | Maya is intuitive |
| 15:24.59 | Saltpeter | I can explain why people don't do it that way! :o |
| 15:25.11 | JademusSreg | I'm using Blender, because I can't be bothered to drop 3 grand on Maya. Haha |
| 15:25.24 | Saltpeter | also uses Blender ;>.> |
| 15:25.37 | ckSynergy | 3DS Max is like, ok, to rotate, hold right click while spinning the scroll wheel in reverse, doing a tap dance and press "T" 6 times while saying your name backwards |
| 15:25.52 | Saltpeter | Simple curiosity can get in the way of progressing on pet projects. It's not easy to see when you're new that the curiosity will eventually help the project along faster than throwing yourself at it blindly. |
| 15:26.00 | JademusSreg | So, basically it's witchcraft? =D |
| 15:26.07 | ckSynergy | basically |
| 15:26.21 | ckSynergy | you know, Maya is free for students |
| 15:26.27 | ckSynergy | as long as you dont profit off it |
| 15:26.28 | tordy | buying software? |
| 15:26.30 | Saltpeter | And also, tinkering includes the fear of screwing things up irreparably. |
| 15:26.33 | tordy | now hold on a second! |
| 15:26.40 | tordy | *runs* |
| 15:26.42 | ckSynergy | at least, last I checked |
| 15:26.43 | JademusSreg | Acquiring an understanding takes time, but it saves time down the line. |
| 15:27.05 | JademusSreg | If there is no "down the line", then it's perfectly reasonable to resort to hacky solutions. |
| 15:27.09 | Saltpeter | But also, learning simeply comes easier to some people than others. |
| 15:28.47 | tordy | ezpz lemon squeezy |
| 15:29.04 | Saltpeter | The difficulty of learning is not subjective. It is an absolute for each person, depending on their ability to think. If learning was subjective, learning disorders would be curable through training. |
| 15:29.27 | A1win | gaah I had a dialog showing for spectators a while ago and now it isn't showing again ;p |
| 15:29.49 | JademusSreg | The difficulty of learning is categorically subjective; the specific difficulty a person experiences is objective. |
| 15:30.56 | tordy | whaaaaaaaat |
| 15:31.01 | Saltpeter | Fair enough. |
| 15:31.23 | Saltpeter | But to that end, you still can't say that "Data is easy" and be correct for anyone but yourself. ;>.> |
| 15:31.35 | JademusSreg | Or anyone like myself. |
| 15:31.36 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 15:31.52 | Saltpeter | Speaking of which, I have a question about the Data module. Why, when I duplicate a unit, do I have to duplicate the actor, but not anything else, to retain all the original unit's links? |
| 15:32.12 | tordy | cuz the actor is everythin! |
| 15:32.30 | tordy | it's what makes the unit that has assets |
| 15:32.31 | JademusSreg | But my motivation for asserting its lack of difficulty is to encourage others to not be intimidated and learn, not to elevate myself. |
| 15:32.34 | ckSynergy | because youre not doing it right? |
| 15:32.45 | JademusSreg | Took me a month to learn the data, and a month to learn the script. |
| 15:32.51 | JademusSreg | During the SC2 beta. |
| 15:33.02 | JademusSreg | Well, and early into the release. |
| 15:33.25 | Saltpeter | Hm. |
| 15:33.34 | JademusSreg | So long as you're curious, you'll be motivated to learn the fundamentals, so you can create the cool shit you can imagine. |
| 15:33.56 | Saltpeter | Saying that something is easy can discourage people who have been trying and struggling. ;>.> |
| 15:34.07 | JademusSreg | Haha. Point taken. |
| 15:34.08 | Ahli | awwww, no arcade on hots |
| 15:34.24 | ckSynergy | I dont know, last I checked you could duplicate actors |
| 15:34.36 | JademusSreg | You should never duplicate anything. =D |
| 15:34.55 | JademusSreg | Even if they have fixed the bugs, you'll still get more cruft in your data than you would otherwise. |
| 15:35.15 | ckSynergy | sweet laptop back from the shop. bbl |
| 15:35.17 | A1win | can someone tell me why this dialog that I'm showing to player 14 doesn't show to spectators even though I've set the default observed player to 14 D: it worked before when I had 2 less players than now |
| 15:35.33 | tordy | if you want a simple modification of a unit, duplicating the actor is fine |
| 15:35.41 | Saltpeter | Alright. Does anyone have a good tutorial on how to create a custom unit from scratch? |
| 15:36.01 | Saltpeter | Even if that custom unit is just a copy of a probe or something? |
| 15:36.33 | JademusSreg | Add Unit. Add Actor. Add Model. Use the same id for all of them to take advantage of implicit, token-based referenced. |
| 15:37.03 | Saltpeter | That's the thing. I still don't get how to add actors and models to units. |
| 15:37.17 | Saltpeter | And why I wanted a tutorial, so I wouldn't have to be walked through it in real time. ;>.> |
| 15:37.20 | JademusSreg | So if I make a unit called Buggerer, I'd make its id Buggerer, and the corresponding Actor and Model also use the id Buggerer, so they would all by linked implicitly. |
| 15:37.34 | JademusSreg | See, id tokens are used through the data. |
| 15:37.37 | Saltpeter | ;>.> Heh. Buggerer. |
| 15:38.01 | Saltpeter | I tried using id tokens, but not only could I not get it to work, but I couldn't delete them afterwards. |
| 15:38.06 | JademusSreg | Many actors have the Model field set to #id#. |
| 15:38.13 | Saltpeter | Aha. |
| 15:38.13 | JademusSreg | Or some such. |
| 15:38.25 | Saltpeter | THAT might explain why I couldn't find a model field. |
| 15:38.36 | JademusSreg | So the actors id will be filled into the token reference when it looks for a model asset. |
| 15:38.59 | Saltpeter | Well, let's try it now then. Making a unit. |
| 15:39.10 | JademusSreg | In the case of ActorCUnit, it uses the unitName token seen at the top, above the fields. |
| 15:39.26 | JademusSreg | Erm, CActorUnit |
| 15:39.27 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 15:40.04 | JademusSreg | Anyway, when you add new objects, strive to inherit from the root classes, so to speak. These appear as grey in the editor. |
| 15:40.42 | tordy | Buggerer XFD im usin that name |
| 15:41.14 | Saltpeter | I have my Buggerer here. |
| 15:41.21 | JademusSreg | The most important reason for this, besides cruft, is that inheritence makes it so a change in data from a patch will be inherited by any child objects based on it. |
| 15:41.23 | Saltpeter | I have a unit, an actor, and a model, all named Buggerer. |
| 15:41.37 | Saltpeter | How do I associate them with one another? |
| 15:41.40 | Ahli | editor's copyright is still 2010 :S |
| 15:42.01 | JademusSreg | So most people get their data shit broken during patches because they inherited from standard objects instead of root classes. |
| 15:42.10 | JademusSreg | Go to the actor. |
| 15:42.12 | Saltpeter | Buggerer is going to be my official name for any experimental variables I create form now onw, by the way. |
| 15:42.20 | JademusSreg | Set the unitName token at the top to the Buggerer unit. |
| 15:42.40 | JademusSreg | Yes, I use obscene terms when prototyping code. |
| 15:43.24 | JademusSreg | Got the unitName token set? |
| 15:43.55 | JademusSreg | When you do, various fields in the actor will turn light green, to indicate the token reference has changed the value. |
| 15:44.56 | Saltpeter | I don't see a unitName token at the top of the unit. |
| 15:45.01 | JademusSreg | If you don't see a unitName token above the actor's fields, the actor probably isn't inheriting from CActorUnit. |
| 15:45.32 | JademusSreg | So double click the entry for the actor and tell me what it says in the modal dialog that pops up. |
| 15:45.55 | Saltpeter | Name: Buggerer |
| 15:45.58 | Saltpeter | ID: Buggeree |
| 15:46.01 | Saltpeter | Buggerer* |
| 15:46.08 | Saltpeter | Actor Type: Action |
| 15:46.14 | JademusSreg | WQrong actor type. |
| 15:46.17 | JademusSreg | *Wrong |
| 15:46.21 | JademusSreg | Should be Unit. |
| 15:46.31 | Saltpeter | Aha. |
| 15:46.35 | Saltpeter | I was just going with defaults. |
| 15:46.43 | JademusSreg | And should be Based On: CActorUnit. |
| 15:47.02 | Saltpeter | CActorUnit isn't an option... |
| 15:47.29 | JademusSreg | Actor Type: Unit, Based On: CActorUnit or Default blah blah |
| 15:47.36 | JademusSreg | Two different fields in the modal dialog. |
| 15:47.39 | Saltpeter | GenericUnitStandard? |
| 15:47.43 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 15:47.45 | JademusSreg | That's good. |
| 15:47.56 | Saltpeter | I see a Unit Name token now. :D |
| 15:48.00 | JademusSreg | Ywp. |
| 15:48.06 | Saltpeter | Set that to Buggerer? |
| 15:48.10 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 15:48.21 | JademusSreg | Then watch as the fields probably change color automagically. |
| 15:48.29 | JademusSreg | Probably to light green. |
| 15:48.42 | JademusSreg | Haven't opened the editor since 1.5 alpha, so some details may have changed. |
| 15:49.00 | JademusSreg | Next, go the the model entry you added. |
| 15:49.11 | JademusSreg | Set its asset path to something. |
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| 15:50.35 | JademusSreg | Then if you want the unit to be able to do, er, anything, you'll need to either set various values in a tedious fashion, or double click the unit entry and use the modal dialog to wholesale copy data from another unit. |
| 15:51.02 | JademusSreg | Oh, and make sure the model's type/based on is a unit model type. |
| 15:51.04 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 15:51.30 | Saltpeter | Asset path? |
| 15:51.46 | Saltpeter | Sorry, rl aggro while trying to have this conversation. |
| 15:52.38 | JademusSreg | So the top down view of all this is that the unit is the gameplay data. The model is a reference to an asset and some metadata for handling it, and the actor is like an actor on the stage, using the resources available to put on a show; it controls, like the Outer Limits, what the player will see and hear. |
| 15:53.05 | JademusSreg | The model should have a field something like Path, or Asset. |
| 15:53.57 | Saltpeter | I still can't find it. x.x |
| 15:54.28 | Saltpeter | My options for model type are "Foliage" and "Generic". |
| 15:54.43 | JademusSreg | It's uninitialized by default, iirc, so it should be blank. |
| 15:54.50 | JademusSreg | The model type should be generic. |
| 15:55.13 | JademusSreg | And it should be Based On something like Unit. |
| 15:55.33 | Saltpeter | Parent: is set to unit. |
| 15:55.38 | JademusSreg | Good. |
| 15:56.10 | Saltpeter | I still don't see an asset or path field. |
| 15:56.14 | JademusSreg | Anyway, you should have an Asset field, or Path. I forget the name, but it's a path to the model asset. |
| 15:56.24 | Saltpeter | Art: Model? |
| 15:56.27 | JademusSreg | Sure/. |
| 15:56.29 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 15:56.46 | Saltpeter | And that's where I do something unoriginal like use Kerrigan? |
| 15:56.51 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 15:56.55 | Saltpeter | She can be my buggerer. |
| 15:57.05 | JademusSreg | Only know she's Buggerer, Queen of Buggers. |
| 15:57.14 | JademusSreg | *now |
| 15:57.45 | Saltpeter | And now when I plop a buggerer onto the field, I'll see a Kerrigan? :D |
| 15:57.54 | JademusSreg | Anyway, for the unit to be functional, you'll need to set a bunch of values, but we can take a shortcut for brevity's sake and copy data from another unit. |
| 15:58.11 | JademusSreg | Yes, that's what should happen. |
| 15:58.22 | Saltpeter | The unit appears to be invisible when I try to place it. |
| 15:58.30 | JademusSreg | That happens sometimes. |
| 15:58.36 | Saltpeter | The unit does not yet have an actor associated with it. |
| 15:58.52 | JademusSreg | Odd. |
| 15:59.05 | JademusSreg | Are all the ids correct? |
| 15:59.14 | Saltpeter | Yeah. |
| 15:59.46 | Saltpeter | The model is associated with the actor. |
| 15:59.53 | JademusSreg | Guess I'll take a look at the map. Or send you one of my demos so you can see how it should look. |
| 16:00.19 | JademusSreg | The actor id could be wrong, or it could lack actor events. |
| 16:00.44 | JademusSreg | So if it's not either of those, it's a novel problem. |
| 16:00.51 | JademusSreg | Which I could fix. |
| 16:01.05 | JademusSreg | But first I'll link one of my demos. |
| 16:01.11 | Saltpeter | I've triple-checked the ids, so I don't think it's that. |
| 16:01.15 | Saltpeter | They're all "Buggerer". |
| 16:01.24 | Saltpeter | What do you mean by actor events? |
| 16:01.43 | JademusSreg | Actor events should update with the token automatically. |
| 16:01.45 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 16:01.50 | JademusSreg | Delete the actor. |
| 16:02.11 | JademusSreg | Make a new one, and this time set its values in the modal dialog correctly on the first try. |
| 16:02.29 | Saltpeter | D'oh. |
| 16:03.32 | Saltpeter | That did it. :D |
| 16:03.39 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 16:03.49 | Vailreth | ive learned to usually cosnult ubran distcionary when naming things in my maps... |
| 16:04.06 | Saltpeter | Thanks! :D :D I should be able to make much progress in the Data module now. |
| 16:04.24 | Saltpeter | I didn't REALLY want to just duplicate items. ;>.> Even if I don't do anything visually original. |
| 16:04.33 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 16:04.40 | Saltpeter | I can update the visuals after I get a working prototype, anyway. |
| 16:04.54 | JademusSreg | It's less error prone and resistent to patching to add new objects rather than duplicate. |
| 16:05.07 | Saltpeter | Yeah. I like me a clean program. |
| 16:05.14 | JademusSreg | At least then you know exactly what will be in your data. |
| 16:05.20 | Saltpeter | That's why. :D |
| 16:05.38 | Saltpeter | Creating the specifics of the unit is the fun part of the Data module. ;>.> |
| 16:05.43 | A1win | gaah I don't get it, why does this dialog not show to the referee at all even when I'm viewing a player's view who's supposed to see it... it did show before |
| 16:06.13 | Vailreth | because the editor hates us |
| 16:06.16 | JademusSreg | A1, not enough information to hazard a guess. |
| 16:07.08 | A1win | the Default Observed setting in player properties caused it to show up at first |
| 16:07.09 | Ahli | archons received a funny new animation |
| 16:07.34 | A1win | I have the Default Observed player set to player 14, and I show the dialog to player 14 |
| 16:12.19 | JademusSreg | Wow. SC2 is running terribly. Nearly 100 stalls per minute. |
| 16:12.36 | JademusSreg | More than. |
| 16:12.37 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 16:13.05 | tordy | hell |
| 16:13.06 | tordy | o |
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| 16:17.02 | JademusSreg | Seems they also changed the movers a bit. |
| 16:18.49 | JademusSreg | And the scrollable windows in the modal dialogs are even smaller than before. Ghastly. |
| 16:19.42 | Ahli | there is a mercenary reaper model now |
| 16:28.15 | A1win | eeh... now it isn't working with the original 5 player setup either |
| 16:28.30 | A1win | wtf did I do D: |
| 16:31.45 | JademusSreg | Seems besides some inexplicable veering off in the missile mover, this old demo still works well. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/StarCraft%202/Demos/Jademus%20Demo.SC2Map |
| 16:32.13 | Ahli | zerg artillery model... |
| 16:34.47 | JademusSreg | (WASD to move, mouse to turn, Left click to pew pew, right click to sprint) |
| 16:35.23 | JademusSreg | (Sprint must be held down, and it builds up momentum over a short period.) |
| 16:36.11 | Ahli | we can store actor/point/ping/text tag for a unit in triggers now... |
| 16:38.33 | zenxu | back from footboool |
| 16:40.25 | Ahli | footprints got a new flag called "e_pathNoCanSee". |
| 16:45.34 | A1win | xD oh god |
| 16:45.40 | A1win | that was the most useless 2 hours ever |
| 16:46.15 | Tolkfan | anyone familiar with the GUI for the catalog get value functions? I can get stuff like "Something[0].OtherThing[0]", but the gui doesn't allow me to access just "Something[0]". There's an X button next to it that seems like it would be for deleteing OtherThing and leaving Something alone, but it just modifies the index |
| 16:46.32 | Tolkfan | yes, I know i can do it manually with custom script :P |
| 16:47.07 | A1win | dialog shows to players, but not to observer -> try to debug for 2 hours... realize the dialog is in the exact same spot where the observer camera control UI frame appears |
| 16:48.02 | A1win | damn game trolling me |
| 16:48.23 | JademusSreg | Galaxy script. =D |
| 16:48.33 | JademusSreg | And no, don't know GUI. |
| 16:48.58 | JademusSreg | A1, sounds like you trolled yourself. =D |
| 16:49.14 | A1win | indeed ;p |
| 16:49.21 | A1win | I probably should've slept last night |
| 16:49.37 | Tolkfan | I will use galaxy script as soon as it's syntax starts looking like python :P |
| 16:49.54 | JademusSreg | Which will be never. |
| 16:50.16 | JademusSreg | But as a python user, you could just as well make a script to convert python to galaxy script. |
| 16:50.19 | Tolkfan | there, I have a perfect excuse |
| 16:50.54 | JademusSreg | I'm sure there are python libraries for handling grammar. |
| 16:56.18 | A1win | phew now it works |
| 16:56.37 | A1win | AI still doesn't realize it has the starting workers though for some reason |
| 17:01.26 | A1win | mmh actually it's not even building anything |
| 17:01.31 | A1win | just training workers and overlords |
| 17:01.41 | A1win | other races aren't buildig supplies |
| 17:02.15 | A1win | I guess it fails because of the non-melee players in the game somehow |
| 17:02.35 | A1win | oh well it's not that important anyway |
| 17:02.47 | A1win | would've made testing easier though D: |
| 17:06.33 | Tolkfan | Is there any difference between using the "String Comparison" function and comparing the two strings with a normal "string1 != string2"? |
| 17:06.59 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 17:07.27 | Tolkfan | ok, thanks :) |
| 17:07.32 | JademusSreg | Well, String Comparison in GUI might be slightly different, like (stringA != stringB) == true |
| 17:11.29 | EnEmY | hey jade |
| 17:11.34 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 17:11.40 | EnEmY | does you remember me? |
| 17:11.59 | JademusSreg | I don't recognize your handle. =D |
| 17:12.04 | EnEmY | oh yeah i used the nick abstruse or something |
| 17:12.09 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 17:12.35 | EnEmY | is there a way to change attribute points through triggers? |
| 17:12.44 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 17:12.56 | JademusSreg | But I'm not modding SC2 anymo'. |
| 17:13.09 | EnEmY | cause i wanna use attributes as mana for spells |
| 17:13.14 | JademusSreg | My memory is a bit fuzzy, but it involves using triggers that modify behaviors. |
| 17:13.22 | JademusSreg | Rather, trigger actions. |
| 17:13.23 | EnEmY | those triggers are gay |
| 17:13.44 | EnEmY | i probed them with my dick mind |
| 17:14.03 | JademusSreg | Hey, if triggers wanna fornicate with one another regardless of their nonexistent but shared gender, that's their business. |
| 17:14.45 | Saltpeter | Editor crash in three...two... |
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| 17:15.00 | Taintedwisp | Yo vailreth were you able to get it all situated? |
| 17:15.21 | EnEmY | in your mind their nonexistant gender is all the same |
| 17:15.40 | EnEmY | my mind the triggers have like 5 different chromosones and sick fetishes |
| 17:15.45 | Taintedwisp | what... |
| 17:15.53 | Taintedwisp | Is this about transgenders.... |
| 17:16.03 | Taintedwisp | if sooo... I would rather not get into it... not worth my time |
| 17:16.07 | Saltpeter | It's about triggersm actually. |
| 17:16.10 | Saltpeter | triggers |
| 17:16.14 | Taintedwisp | ohhh ok |
| 17:16.16 | JademusSreg | It's abstruse; should probably stick to one name. =D |
| 17:16.18 | Taintedwisp | thought it was Lalja.... |
| 17:16.19 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:16.19 | EnEmY | how do you see triggers in your mind? |
| 17:16.50 | Taintedwisp | Triggers? As Cogs turning... |
| 17:16.57 | Taintedwisp | One thing outta place and everything is fucked |
| 17:17.03 | Saltpeter | I see them like triggers. Events are guns. |
| 17:17.11 | EnEmY | i see them as people shitting on eachother's chests, then again that's just my maps |
| 17:17.18 | EnEmY | really disorganized triggers x.x |
| 17:17.30 | JademusSreg | Though now that you mention Lalja, perhaps abstruse has actually been all the new people in this channel. |
| 17:17.41 | EnEmY | no i havent |
| 17:17.43 | EnEmY | id tell you |
| 17:17.48 | EnEmY | who are the new people? |
| 17:17.57 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:18.10 | Saltpeter | Good thing the Buggerer was just a practice unit, because it's gone. |
| 17:18.15 | JademusSreg | Whiners. You're crazy, but at least you don't whine. |
| 17:18.18 | Taintedwisp | BAH.... I dont like Lalja too much... always trying to throw his homosexuality around.... as if I really cared... |
| 17:18.18 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:18.21 | EnEmY | lol |
| 17:19.01 | Taintedwisp | I dont care what you black white, mexican, Gay strait.... humans in general are scum, its the few good that make living bareable |
| 17:19.09 | EnEmY | how often do people come in here and ask someone to "teech me 2 map"? |
| 17:19.21 | Taintedwisp | not that often actually |
| 17:19.25 | Taintedwisp | I mean I ask a TON of questions.. |
| 17:19.30 | EnEmY | lol |
| 17:19.37 | Taintedwisp | but thats about it, I would rather figure it out, but I do ask for help |
| 17:19.54 | Taintedwisp | And usually get an answer like... in the actors tab, or Valididators, Behaviors, and effects |
| 17:20.14 | EnEmY | if i wanted to add or subtract attribute points from a unit, what action trigger would dat be? |
| 17:25.53 | EnEmY | you're evil |
| 17:25.57 | EnEmY | EVILLLL |
| 17:32.34 | Vailreth | yo Tainted |
| 17:32.56 | Vailreth | what was it i was to get sorted out my brain is acting funny and i dont remember |
| 17:39.37 | Vailreth | Taintedwisp i modified the doodads abit on the south side of the map because they didnt sit well with the terrain objects |
| 17:40.12 | Taintedwisp | Thats fine :P |
| 17:40.32 | Taintedwisp | The terrain not showing up or something like that |
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| 17:41.25 | Vailreth | also im working on a zerg ability that spawns plaguelings ( eventually recolored banes) that burrow and wander underground until they reach a groupd of five or more units and then unburrow and detonate |
| 17:41.47 | Vailreth | dont know if we will use it but its fun i think |
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| 17:42.27 | themusic | anyone know how to make the spider mine attack (but not detect/reveal) cloaked units.. like how they were in sc1 |
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| 17:44.04 | Vailreth | allow hidden in the weapond scan filters ? |
| 17:44.39 | themusic | yea, tried allowing hidden and visible |
| 17:45.04 | themusic | it unburrows near cloaked, so its finding it, but its not chase/attacking |
| 17:45.35 | Vailreth | probably because the unit can not See them |
| 17:47.00 | themusic | but shouldnt you be able to attack cloaked without actually detecting |
| 17:47.28 | A1win | does it have requires: visible in target filters |
| 17:48.08 | themusic | the weapon does not |
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| 17:54.28 | themusic | cant find any threads either with solutions, seems like _someone_ would have had to try it before |
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| 18:03.08 | tordy | wassup dudes and dudettes |
| 18:07.44 | Vailreth | hello Tordy |
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| 18:16.48 | Taintedwisp | Nice |
| 18:16.50 | Taintedwisp | awesome |
| 18:16.58 | Taintedwisp | Just read that vailreth love the zerg ability |
| 18:17.10 | Taintedwisp | dude we can totally use that.... |
| 18:17.32 | Taintedwisp | You can make it a Swarm mother ability if you want. |
| 18:17.37 | Taintedwisp | just replace one that you dont like |
| 18:17.46 | Vailreth | ok |
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| 18:41.19 | Vailreth | hows does one allow a unit to move while fireing their weapon? |
| 18:41.48 | tordy | weapon to moving? |
| 18:41.55 | tordy | allowed movement to moving? |
| 18:42.37 | Vailreth | what sthe first one? |
| 18:42.53 | Vailreth | i have allowed movement moving but the unit will not move |
| 18:47.52 | Kueken | "but the unit will not move" |
| 18:47.55 | Kueken | when exactly? |
| 18:48.21 | Kueken | if you allof fire on the move, the unit will still not move if you tell the unit to attack |
| 18:48.24 | Kueken | *allow |
| 18:48.53 | Kueken | it will just fire the weapon, while it is moving without an order to attack |
| 18:49.43 | Vailreth | ok so i dont use a weapon for this this sigh i was hoping for simple |
| 18:49.51 | Kueken | also you will need to uncheck the "only fire at attack targets" and "only fire while attacking" flags |
| 18:50.02 | Kueken | what exactly do you need? |
| 18:50.20 | Vailreth | a unit to walk up to another unit |
| 18:50.50 | Kueken | there is no native way to support that, if the units weapon has a longer range |
| 18:51.21 | Kueken | you can try to use a workaround with issue order effects |
| 18:54.10 | Vailreth | i was using issue order effects |
| 18:56.35 | Taintedwisp | Vailreth Look at the Diamond Back |
| 18:56.38 | Taintedwisp | Maybe you can figure it out |
| 18:56.44 | Taintedwisp | Its probably on the Weapon itself |
| 18:56.48 | Taintedwisp | Maybe a flag that says supress movement |
| 18:57.58 | Vailreth | basically i was trying to use a wepon to order the unit to move to the weapons target |
| 19:01.56 | TheSkunk__ | hahah epic win, dustin browder posting on the forums with alias "rock" |
| 19:02.04 | TheSkunk__ | And collapsable rock as portrait |
| 19:06.31 | Kueken | Taintedwisp: he does not want fire while moving, but moving while firing ;) |
| 19:06.40 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 19:06.44 | Kueken | Vailreth: and whats the problem now? |
| 19:08.10 | Vailreth | i have switcehd to using a behavior with a periodic sech effect and sometimes the units get stuck |
| 19:08.21 | Vailreth | instead of detonating in the face of the target |
| 19:08.39 | Bommes | so basically what you want to do |
| 19:08.43 | Bommes | is a scarab like weapon? |
| 19:09.02 | Bommes | ah no |
| 19:09.03 | Bommes | w/e |
| 19:09.04 | Bommes | nvm |
| 19:09.23 | Bommes | I just read "stuck" |
| 19:09.23 | Vailreth | i think i almost have it figured out |
| 19:09.32 | Bommes | and my brain could only think scarab |
| 19:09.37 | Vailreth | but i have to go for lunch right now |
| 19:15.43 | Saltpeter | I just deleted all my shoddily-made units, actors, and models. Now I'm going to redo every last one of them. x.x |
| 19:20.35 | Vailreth | i see |
| 19:21.02 | Saltpeter | Jademus showed me how to make units from scratch, so I'm doing them all that way now. No more duplicating. :D |
| 19:21.47 | themusic | where is the best place to report (actual) bugs in the editor |
| 19:28.26 | Vailreth | back offically |
| 19:35.50 | themusic | data editor noob officialls |
| 19:35.54 | themusic | officially* |
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| 19:45.14 | Saltpeter | Data editor noob, that's me! D: Educated noob, but still noob. |
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| 19:51.02 | tordy | how good is blizz's legal team? |
| 19:51.32 | Saltpeter | Planning to sue, eh? :P |
| 19:52.47 | Vailreth | nice i gout my plaguelings working correftly now |
| 19:53.16 | Vailreth | got* |
| 19:53.28 | tordy | no just curious |
| 19:55.44 | zenxu | cop dog |
| 19:55.46 | zenxu | dindididididi |
| 20:20.50 | themusic | still stuck on an issue.. how is it possible to attack a cloaked unit, but not detect/reveal it |
| 20:22.36 | JademusSreg | Not by forcing an order. You want the mine to detonate when the enemy unit is in range, or otherwise move into range. So it's much like a collider missile. |
| 20:22.54 | JademusSreg | Getting it to detonate is easy. Getting it to move, that's more complicated. |
| 20:23.08 | themusic | yea |
| 20:23.24 | JademusSreg | But I've got a demo for collider missiles, if you don't need it to move, haha. |
| 20:24.18 | JademusSreg | Collider missiles, much like those in Lost Viking, use a behavior and stuff to detonate themselves. |
| 20:24.58 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/StarCraft%202/Demos/Jademus%20Demo.SC2Map |
| 20:25.15 | themusic | thats the collider demo? |
| 20:25.19 | JademusSreg | The Warp Bolt and the behavior it uses is what you'd look at, yes. |
| 20:25.25 | themusic | ok |
| 20:28.33 | JademusSreg | The collider approach is only slightly more than what you need; my implementation checks height so units below the cliff level from which it's launched don't get hit, so feel free to ignore those validators. |
| 20:36.09 | Vailreth | well poo |
| 20:36.44 | JademusSreg | (And in case you're playing the demo, WASD to move, left click to shoot warp bolts, hold right click for sprinting.) |
| 20:36.53 | Vailreth | burrowed units do not count as the same as the unburrowed unts for spwan behaviprs |
| 20:37.24 | JademusSreg | Vail, alias? |
| 20:38.04 | Vailreth | what do you mean? |
| 20:38.29 | JademusSreg | Well, using aliases, iirc, allows objects to sort of be grouped. |
| 20:38.51 | JademusSreg | I never had need to mess with them myself, so I can't say whether they would help. |
| 20:40.24 | Vailreth | ah i dont know anything aboutthem |
| 20:40.35 | Vailreth | but i fould a solution |
| 20:49.47 | Vailreth | there is a Flags(spawn) that has ignore morph .. |
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| 21:12.14 | Vailreth | hey TaintedWisp if you have a chance take a look at the Spawn Plaguelings ability in the OLD version |
| 21:12.29 | Taintedwisp | Is it in the drop box? |
| 21:12.31 | Taintedwisp | oh lol ok |
| 21:12.33 | Taintedwisp | I will in a minute |
| 21:13.01 | Vailreth | ok it should be working correctlly for all five levels but may be a bit op for now |
| 21:16.18 | Taintedwisp | We can just lower teh damage to fix that |
| 21:16.29 | Vailreth | also the ability is very crowd ourinted and the plauglings will only detonate around four or more enemies ... |
| 21:16.42 | Taintedwisp | hmm alright |
| 21:16.50 | Taintedwisp | in this map there should never be less then 4 |
| 21:17.14 | Taintedwisp | When I go to start balancing the Units from the spawners will spawn at 2.5 seconds instead of 5 |
| 21:17.20 | Taintedwisp | The original evolves it was 2 seconds |
| 21:17.43 | Taintedwisp | So the map will have lots of units |
| 21:18.11 | Vailreth | when it comes time we will have to exclude the heros and hero ability spawned units from the unit counter |
| 21:19.38 | Taintedwisp | Yeah |
| 21:19.48 | Taintedwisp | Should just be Missles right? |
| 21:19.53 | Taintedwisp | Or are their actual Units? |
| 21:20.07 | Taintedwisp | Maybe move them to all 1 type ie, Heroic |
| 21:20.16 | Vailreth | ah maybe |
| 21:20.17 | Taintedwisp | So that all heroic type untis are Excluded |
| 21:20.28 | Taintedwisp | Since the heroes will be excluded anyways |
| 21:20.52 | Vailreth | but the minifactory its units and the spawned plaguelings are all units |
| 21:21.17 | Taintedwisp | Yeah set the units it spawns to Heroic too |
| 21:21.19 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 21:21.25 | Taintedwisp | Just a simple solution |
| 21:21.43 | Vailreth | yes |
| 21:21.45 | Taintedwisp | Any unit that comes from a hero should be heroic |
| 21:23.00 | Taintedwisp | Cant keep leaving twitter open... Ed boon goes on Tweet sprees... |
| 21:23.04 | Taintedwisp | 52 new tweets.... |
| 21:23.09 | Taintedwisp | holy shit he loves the service |
| 21:23.16 | Vailreth | oh i hope you dont mind but while i was trying to clear up the unit counter issue i talked to ckSynergy and he is interested in looking at our triggers to try and fix it incase it creeps up in normal play |
| 21:24.07 | Taintedwisp | Sounds good |
| 21:24.19 | Vailreth | cool. |
| 21:24.23 | Taintedwisp | If you trust them, I trust them |
| 21:24.24 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 21:24.58 | Taintedwisp | The mini factory needs some imporvements, it should only last 180 seconds, and it should auto create the units |
| 21:25.28 | Vailreth | yes i was working on those but ballancing the creation times is being a pain |
| 21:25.45 | Taintedwisp | oh nvm |
| 21:25.50 | Taintedwisp | it has timed life lawl |
| 21:26.11 | Taintedwisp | Can you make a bar on it like the cow apocalypse that shows when it will die |
| 21:26.23 | Taintedwisp | A channeling bar |
| 21:26.39 | Vailreth | sure i think i have it set up for that |
| 21:27.15 | Taintedwisp | The creation times? Just make them 4.5 seconds 4 seconds, 3.5 seconds 3 seconds 2.5 secons |
| 21:27.20 | Taintedwisp | There thats for all 5 levels lawl |
| 21:28.24 | Vailreth | id like the creation times to ballance with the training time and the periods of the issue order behaviors so it looks seemless |
| 21:29.18 | Taintedwisp | ahh |
| 21:29.25 | Taintedwisp | Also The units should have timed life |
| 21:29.34 | Vailreth | they do |
| 21:29.41 | Taintedwisp | ohh okay |
| 21:29.47 | Taintedwisp | I thought it just killed them when the next set came out |
| 21:29.48 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 21:29.50 | Vailreth | its applied when they are trined and extend with each level |
| 21:30.01 | Taintedwisp | ahhh cool |
| 21:30.22 | Taintedwisp | Looking good, Yeah Lets keep rory swann as our tech hero, maybe retexture or soemthing I dunno |
| 21:30.46 | Taintedwisp | and lash looks aweosme |
| 21:31.26 | Vailreth | yeah i have a white and gold marader skin that could be eddited for him if you like |
| 21:31.45 | Vailreth | actually white cold and blue and has team color |
| 21:31.55 | Vailreth | gold* |
| 21:33.14 | Taintedwisp | sounds cool |
| 21:33.39 | Vailreth | ok the Cowpocalypse has a channeling bar its just not visable unless you have the unit hilighed or selected.. i dont know how to make it always visable |
| 21:33.54 | Taintedwisp | Setting in options |
| 21:33.55 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:33.58 | Taintedwisp | The show lifebar settings |
| 21:33.59 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 21:34.10 | Taintedwisp | thats the players fault |
| 21:34.11 | Vailreth | ah |
| 21:34.36 | Taintedwisp | I mean if we really wanted to, we PROBABLY could bypass it, but I dont think it matters enough to worrie ourselves |
| 21:35.02 | Vailreth | alright |
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| 21:36.31 | Taintedwisp | Honestly Because we are Re-skinning/ Attaching, Our heroes are going to be much more Unique then anything the other games with heroes have |
| 21:36.48 | Bommes | oh man |
| 21:36.48 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 21:36.50 | Bommes | thought its a good time to give diablo 3 another try |
| 21:37.00 | Bommes | now im pissed |
| 21:37.03 | Taintedwisp | mEh, its getting better, but its not fixed yet |
| 21:37.06 | Taintedwisp | why? |
| 21:37.11 | Bommes | died 3 times on diablo inferno at like 10% |
| 21:37.17 | Bommes | after the most boring fight ever that lasts like 10 minutes |
| 21:37.18 | Taintedwisp | ahahahahaah |
| 21:37.23 | Taintedwisp | LAWL |
| 21:37.28 | Bommes | such a shit fight lol |
| 21:37.34 | Taintedwisp | They have aded some nice shit |
| 21:37.38 | Taintedwisp | Love the paragon levels |
| 21:37.43 | Taintedwisp | Go level your paragon is all I can tell you |
| 21:37.46 | Bommes | yeah dunno |
| 21:37.46 | Taintedwisp | Free stats per level |
| 21:37.47 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:37.49 | Bommes | seems kinda pointless |
| 21:37.56 | Taintedwisp | Its just not fixed yet |
| 21:37.56 | Bommes | but i never really liked diablo |
| 21:38.03 | Bommes | except diablo 1 |
| 21:38.12 | Taintedwisp | It needs PVP, and Really... endgame dungeons |
| 21:38.15 | Taintedwisp | WoW did those really nice |
| 21:38.31 | Taintedwisp | And I think they could work in D3 too |
| 21:40.14 | Taintedwisp | Hmm, So what all needs to be done to finish Beef O matic |
| 21:40.15 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 21:40.42 | JademusSreg | Needs moar content. |
| 21:40.48 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 21:40.57 | JademusSreg | Refering to Diablo 3. |
| 21:41.16 | Vailreth | http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee324/vailreth/Redeemer.jpg |
| 21:41.17 | Taintedwisp | I was about to say... EF has almost too many machanics... |
| 21:41.18 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 21:41.35 | JademusSreg | EF? |
| 21:41.43 | Taintedwisp | Evolution Frenzy |
| 21:41.44 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 21:41.58 | Taintedwisp | Evolves + Footman Frenzy + whatever ideas I want in it |
| 21:41.58 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 21:42.16 | Taintedwisp | Its one of those projects that start simple.... and then.... |
| 21:42.17 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:42.48 | Taintedwisp | it was going to be Basic Heroes with 1 level of abilities each... now its.... Sotis level heroes, Items, Mercs... and much much more |
| 21:42.49 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:42.58 | Taintedwisp | with an all new Evolution system |
| 21:43.42 | Taintedwisp | Vailreth im not going to lie... |
| 21:43.48 | Taintedwisp | Im indifferent about it |
| 21:43.55 | Vailreth | ok |
| 21:43.57 | Taintedwisp | If you like it, go for it lol |
| 21:44.22 | Taintedwisp | Though Player 2 and 3 are going to have the best looking :P |
| 21:44.26 | JademusSreg | I would call it Freneticum Ultimus. Ultimate Frenzy, in bastard latin, and the shorthand is FU. |
| 21:44.50 | Taintedwisp | Yeah I have to Re-Name it already... fucking Kenny... |
| 21:45.05 | Vailreth | its just the skin i thought to edit for the Tech hero maybe with a tech ish normal map |
| 21:45.11 | Exaken | That sounds prrtty awesome |
| 21:45.13 | Taintedwisp | He was annoying other teammates so I booted him... he wasnt doing anything anyways... |
| 21:45.19 | Taintedwisp | and he stole my name on Battle.net |
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| 21:45.40 | Taintedwisp | yeah Like I said, Im indifferent, It looks weird.... |
| 21:45.41 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:45.57 | Vailreth | the normal map is a little thick on this one |
| 21:46.10 | Vailreth | it was supposed to look battle damaged |
| 21:46.17 | Vailreth | dented and stuff |
| 21:46.29 | Taintedwisp | looks more like snow |
| 21:46.29 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 21:46.43 | Taintedwisp | Is there a way you can change the gold? |
| 21:46.44 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 21:46.49 | Vailreth | sure |
| 21:46.53 | Taintedwisp | Im thinking thats what it is. |
| 21:47.12 | Taintedwisp | Dunno if its possible, but can it be changed to team color? |
| 21:47.24 | Vailreth | sure thats no problem |
| 21:47.31 | Taintedwisp | That would be awesome |
| 21:47.34 | JademusSreg | EF just isn't a catchy shorthand reference. FU is more memorable. =D |
| 21:47.40 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
| 21:47.48 | Taintedwisp | EF wont be the final name ::)P |
| 21:48.10 | Taintedwisp | Ultimate Frenzy... I do kinda like that name |
| 21:48.11 | Bommes | finally killed him |
| 21:48.13 | Taintedwisp | UF though... |
| 21:48.13 | JademusSreg | You have four eyes and two mouths? |
| 21:48.20 | Bommes | seriously |
| 21:48.24 | Bommes | boredom is your worst enemy! |
| 21:48.41 | Bommes | inferno is a joke though |
| 21:48.44 | Bommes | compared to what it used to be |
| 21:48.51 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:48.56 | Taintedwisp | They havent changed the last 2 acts |
| 21:49.02 | JademusSreg | Ultimate Frenzy isn't a clever name, and the shorthand isn't memorable. Thus the bastard latin just for the sweet acronym. |
| 21:49.03 | Taintedwisp | They just lowered act 1 and 2 |
| 21:49.23 | Bommes | they didn't? |
| 21:49.24 | Bommes | you sure? |
| 21:49.27 | Taintedwisp | But I dont like what it stands for, it doesnt sound memorable |
| 21:49.32 | Taintedwisp | Yup im sure bommes |
| 21:49.35 | Bommes | but they increased drops a lot |
| 21:49.39 | Bommes | esp in the earlier acts |
| 21:49.42 | Taintedwisp | They did that to make it feel more like a ramp, instead of a wall |
| 21:49.48 | Taintedwisp | Yeah they increased ALL drops |
| 21:49.54 | Taintedwisp | from act 1 hell - act 4 inferno |
| 21:50.56 | Bommes | but I'm pretty sure |
| 21:50.58 | Bommes | it got a lot easier |
| 21:51.00 | Taintedwisp | I should be Considering that though Jademus... the acronym should be memorable too |
| 21:51.01 | Bommes | tbh |
| 21:51.02 | Bommes | in all acts |
| 21:51.16 | Taintedwisp | Just because better loot is dropping :P |
| 21:51.23 | Bommes | maybe its just because they nerfed the mob enchantments |
| 21:51.30 | Bommes | desecrator and stuff |
| 21:51.40 | Bommes | it was deadly on the release build, seriously |
| 21:51.43 | Bommes | my equip didn't change |
| 21:51.44 | JademusSreg | Someone make Tactical Insurgency: Tartarus Syndrome. |
| 21:51.47 | Taintedwisp | That might be it |
| 21:51.56 | Bommes | not much at least |
| 21:53.02 | Taintedwisp | AHHH I KNOW WHAT IT IS BOMMES |
| 21:53.03 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
| 21:53.07 | Taintedwisp | They Buffed Everyone |
| 21:53.08 | Taintedwisp | LAWL |
| 21:53.23 | Taintedwisp | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/7029347/Patch_104_Now_Live-8_21_2012 |
| 21:53.27 | Taintedwisp | HHAHAAH |
| 21:53.37 | Taintedwisp | All classes got about 20-30% buffs in their abilities |
| 21:54.14 | Bommes | yeah... |
| 21:54.19 | Bommes | well, can't really complain |
| 21:54.24 | Bommes | it was pretty stupid before |
| 21:54.27 | Bommes | tbh |
| 21:54.37 | Bommes | almost unplayable in a 4 man group on inferno |
| 21:54.56 | Taintedwisp | yup |
| 21:55.06 | Taintedwisp | in a 4 man group I was stuck on the 2nd quest |
| 21:55.16 | Taintedwisp | BRB 45 minutes |
| 21:55.19 | Taintedwisp | gotta clean kitchen |
| 21:56.47 | JademusSreg | Core stats mean roughly jack. The buffs to MF, GF via Paragon and NV are nice. However, without more content to experience, I can't be motivated to play D3 any further. Which is sad, because I very much enjoy the gameplay. |
| 21:57.26 | Bommes | To be fair, Diablo never really was about the content |
| 21:57.27 | Bommes | ;) |
| 21:57.36 | Bommes | and there are still expansions to come |
| 21:57.54 | JademusSreg | I didn't play D2 much after completing it either. |
| 21:59.37 | JademusSreg | A tour can be captivating the first time around, and maybe even enjoyable the second consecutive time, but who wants to see the same sights repetitively? |
| 22:00.36 | JademusSreg | And why would I purchase expansions? =D |
| 22:00.49 | Taintedwisp | Honestly PERSONALLY, I wish Dota Allstars would be scrapped and give diablo 3 the dota... |
| 22:01.03 | JademusSreg | That would be amusing. |
| 22:01.12 | Taintedwisp | Imagine you start a new lvl 1 Witch Doctor and level it to 18 each game... |
| 22:01.14 | Taintedwisp | It could be fun |
| 22:01.16 | JademusSreg | Not entirely incongruous with the game's build. |
| 22:01.22 | JademusSreg | It could work. |
| 22:01.26 | Taintedwisp | The Gameplay would be nice |
| 22:01.38 | Taintedwisp | and that rune system could actually add something to Dota |
| 22:01.43 | Taintedwisp | could be nice |
| 22:01.46 | Repo | New experimental map: DefCom Test - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/defcom-test/ |
| 22:01.47 | JademusSreg | Levels are bullshit, but that's an entirely separate discussion. |
| 22:01.55 | Taintedwisp | yeah thats true |
| 22:02.07 | Repo | New map: Heaven's Garden 2 - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/heavens-garden-2/ |
| 22:02.14 | Taintedwisp | I dunno, I dont get paid to think of these ideas, thats blizzes job |
| 22:02.15 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 22:02.22 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 22:02.24 | Taintedwisp | They can take the basic and prefect it |
| 22:02.25 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 22:04.28 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I've only played the Monk in Diablo 3. But it's not as though each class has unique content to explore in the way of quests, so while there's unexplored content in the experience of the different classes, it's through the same well-trodden corridors. |
| 22:06.07 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
| 22:06.12 | JademusSreg | It's rather disappointing, is all. Crunchy gameplay, little content. As though you played the sweetest, most polished, exquisitely designed game, and it only has 4 stages. |
| 22:06.14 | Taintedwisp | I dont think the world was Randomized well enough |
| 22:06.24 | Taintedwisp | They just closed paths, and Opened paths... |
| 22:06.29 | Taintedwisp | They didnt actually randomize anything |
| 22:06.40 | Taintedwisp | You get a number 1-4 and you get that set... |
| 22:07.00 | Taintedwisp | They should have made 4 complete worlds, and then do the open paths. |
| 22:07.52 | JademusSreg | I stopped playing the very night I cleared Developer Hell in Act 1 Inferno. |
| 22:08.30 | JademusSreg | I stretched, thought about it, and decided I had seen everything to be seen. =D |
| 22:09.38 | Taintedwisp | yeah I have see everything too |
| 22:09.47 | Taintedwisp | Whimsyshire.... NOT ENOUGH CREEPS |
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| 22:10.31 | Taintedwisp | Whimsyshire was not a good Replacement for Cow level |
| 22:11.13 | Exaken|2 | . |
| 22:13.22 | Taintedwisp | Any luck Vailreth? |
| 22:15.58 | Bommes | I think Blizzard Allstars is going to be really really good |
| 22:16.02 | Bommes | looking forward to it |
| 22:18.15 | Bommes | god, A Song of Ice and Fire is amazing |
| 22:18.30 | Bommes | I'm lsitening to the audio book all the time while doing other stuff like editing |
| 22:18.59 | Bommes | and I've gone through the whole thing like 5 times already and I'm still finding out new details about characters between the lines |
| 22:19.19 | Taintedwisp | mEH] |
| 22:19.21 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:19.38 | JademusSreg | Baaack to verk. |
| 22:19.44 | Taintedwisp | I played it with someone... dont remember who.. it was... okay I guess, Dunno how the book is, if its good it will be a movie soon |
| 22:19.50 | Taintedwisp | NO YOU DONT JADEMUS!!! |
| 22:20.14 | JademusSreg | Unity on one screen, Blender in the other. |
| 22:20.15 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 22:21.07 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/3vdAw.jpg Units look good on high settings |
| 22:21.33 | Bommes | I doubt there will be an ASOIAF movie, there is already a whole TV series about it |
| 22:21.36 | Bommes | and what game? |
| 22:22.03 | Bommes | afaik all the games are shit :) the series is really good though, best fiction I have ever read I think |
| 22:22.20 | Taintedwisp | oh |
| 22:22.26 | Taintedwisp | Theres a sc2 map about it |
| 22:22.32 | Bommes | ah ic |
| 22:22.36 | Taintedwisp | I thought it was.... i dunno.. plain |
| 22:22.47 | Bommes | a lot of sc2 maps are I guess :D |
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| 23:07.34 | ckSynergy | ok, I'm not quite sure I understand force effects. Looks like it just applys a wind type force, ie, it pushes units and they have a hard time pushing against it |
| 23:07.57 | ckSynergy | ie, not a hard push |
| 23:13.10 | Kueken | ckSynergy: force effects disable units while effective |
| 23:13.27 | Kueken | but they only have an effect for one game tick, aka 0.0625 seconds |
| 23:13.38 | Kueken | so you have to apply them constantly over time |
| 23:14.26 | Bommes | Hmm |
| 23:14.27 | Bommes | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/42451-solved-how-to-make-weapon-that-hit-units-in-its-path/#p17 |
| 23:14.58 | Bommes | Can persistents have periods < 0.0625 if the amount of periods is set to a finite amount? |
| 23:15.04 | Kueken | nope |
| 23:15.16 | Bommes | then I don't really get |
| 23:15.36 | Kueken | you have fast missiles with little collision radius, and they miss targets? |
| 23:15.52 | Bommes | yeah if they are too fast |
| 23:16.01 | Bommes | but he says they don't miss at all with his method |
| 23:16.01 | Kueken | let me search an example map for a solution, sec |
| 23:16.09 | Bommes | in the thread I posted |
| 23:16.13 | Bommes | but I don't get his solution |
| 23:16.25 | Kueken | I believe he does the same I do |
| 23:16.34 | Kueken | not exactly sure, though |
| 23:16.56 | ckSynergy | wait wait |
| 23:17.08 | ckSynergy | kueken, youre fairly familiar with force effects arent you? |
| 23:17.20 | Kueken | used them before, yes |
| 23:17.38 | ckSynergy | ah haha, I think Im reviewing one of yours now |
| 23:17.40 | ckSynergy | carrion swarm |
| 23:18.10 | Kueken | :) |
| 23:18.34 | Kueken | might fail with the new patch, force effect mechanics got changed a little |
| 23:19.30 | Bommes | What do you want to do with the force effect? |
| 23:19.44 | Bommes | Or just general curiosity? :) |
| 23:19.57 | Kueken | damn |
| 23:20.02 | Kueken | so many test maps |
| 23:20.07 | Kueken | so little organization |
| 23:20.10 | Bommes | :D |
| 23:20.19 | Bommes | and so many different ways to name maps! |
| 23:20.30 | ckSynergy | well, Im trying to make an effect, but im also curious and trying to learn how they work |
| 23:20.41 | ckSynergy | so, I guess you could say im more interested in the mechanics of them |
| 23:20.59 | Kueken | ProzaicMuze's force effect tutorial is quite nice |
| 23:22.01 | ckSynergy | its ok, but nothing i cant already find in the editor (ie hybrid shockwave) |
| 23:22.10 | ckSynergy | it also doesnt explain jack about how force effects work |
| 23:22.15 | ckSynergy | it just shows how to DO a force |
| 23:22.37 | ckSynergy | and only one at that. ground pound. that shockwave line thing isnt a force effect |
| 23:23.14 | Kueken | well, thats all I needed ;) |
| 23:24.20 | Bommes | Hmm, I don't think there is much to Force Effects to be honest |
| 23:24.28 | Bommes | it just pulls the unit or it pushes it |
| 23:24.46 | Bommes | there's no other option |
| 23:25.00 | Bommes | but maybe I don't understand them :) |
| 23:25.08 | Bommes | I'm not what you would call an expert :D |
| 23:25.33 | ckSynergy | lol Kueken |
| 23:25.34 | ckSynergy | yea |
| 23:25.54 | ckSynergy | Well, I need more than 1 generic example |
| 23:25.58 | ckSynergy | hense why im studying yours |
| 23:26.38 | Kueken | Bommes, I think I found it :D |
| 23:27.28 | Bommes | I'm using a Force Effect for this forward dash ability @ckSynergy |
| 23:27.28 | Bommes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wcaLiNAi74 |
| 23:27.33 | Kueken | https://www.dropbox.com/s/h6hg4fv5hr0qr8z/Fireball%20Testmap.SC2Map |
| 23:27.49 | Bommes | I think it would confuse you more than it would help, but if you want it I can send it to you |
| 23:27.53 | Bommes | @Kueken awesome :) thanks |
| 23:28.10 | Kueken | the firebat has 2 versions of fireball |
| 23:28.14 | Pfblorghuahe | Kueken, the truthful one |
| 23:28.21 | Pfblorghuahe | champion of truth and veracity |
| 23:28.22 | Kueken | hi Lajla |
| 23:28.30 | Pfblorghuahe | how did you know it was I? |
| 23:28.45 | ckSynergy | inner forces seem pretty basic. Its when you goto the push mechanics it gets complicated |
| 23:29.01 | ckSynergy | but regardless |
| 23:29.12 | Kueken | both fireballs use a small search area and a fast travel speed |
| 23:29.24 | Kueken | but one of them checks 4 locations per interval |
| 23:29.30 | Kueken | via persistents with offsets |
| 23:29.40 | Kueken | I added visual indicators for the searches |
| 23:29.49 | Bommes | ah ic |
| 23:29.55 | Bommes | I'll check it out |
| 23:33.44 | ckSynergy | what are yall talking about? |
| 23:34.08 | ckSynergy | you have me intrigued |
| 23:35.28 | Bommes | okay thats really straight forward :) |
| 23:35.42 | ckSynergy | Bommes: when u said confuse more than help, were you referring to me? |
| 23:35.43 | Bommes | and easy to extend to however fast you want to make your mover |
| 23:36.08 | Bommes | yeah look at the youtube video, im using a force effect for that forward dash ability in case you need examples |
| 23:36.16 | Bommes | you can look at that, but it might be more confusing than helpful |
| 23:36.33 | Bommes | because my stuff is kind of messy at times |
| 23:36.34 | Bommes | ;) |
| 23:36.35 | ckSynergy | Just looking I can tell how its done though |
| 23:36.38 | ckSynergy | or at least, in theory |
| 23:37.10 | ckSynergy | Im guessing, apply a persistant pulling force at target location that searches for your unit only, grabs it, and applys the pull. |
| 23:37.18 | Bommes | yeah |
| 23:37.40 | Bommes | nothing complicated :) |
| 23:37.40 | ckSynergy | erm, aply persistant at target point in front of caster, persistant searches for your unit, pulls it to point |
| 23:37.40 | ckSynergy | yea |
| 23:39.15 | Kueken | ...or just use persistent on unit which applys force to unit in the direction of target point :D |
| 23:39.21 | Kueken | well, doesn't matter |
| 23:40.28 | Kueken | Bommes, if I did understand Sherlia correctly, he described the same method, but I am not sure, his wording confuses me |
| 23:40.37 | Bommes | @Kueken in theory you could extend that super fast projectiles collision thing for faster movers, right? |
| 23:40.43 | Kueken | sure |
| 23:40.44 | ckSynergy | doesnt look like you can control the direction of a force |
| 23:40.50 | Bommes | the only cap would be how many offsets you can set |
| 23:41.00 | Bommes | but even then you could just add another layer to it |
| 23:41.01 | ckSynergy | at least, not directly |
| 23:41.14 | Kueken | you can set it to the target point of the ability |
| 23:42.04 | Kueken | also you can use negative values for a push instead of a pull |
| 23:42.28 | Kueken | or vice-versa, not sure which one pushes and which one pulls |
| 23:42.30 | ckSynergy | wait |
| 23:42.32 | ckSynergy | wait wait |
| 23:42.33 | ckSynergy | hold on |
| 23:43.04 | Kueken | well, I might have misformulated it |
| 23:43.06 | ckSynergy | damn nevermind |
| 23:43.11 | Kueken | it just changes the direction |
| 23:43.13 | ckSynergy | I thought I had an idea |
| 23:43.14 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 23:46.09 | ckSynergy | I notice you used a z value on the initial persistant. is that to compensate for the lack of adding a height/lower effect? |
| 23:46.14 | ckSynergy | *raise/lower |
