IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20120830

00:01.48equinox1911much more then the obama AMA is ^^
00:02.02equinox1911it also would prove the afterlive :D
00:33.10Iiris_Frostomg, i really hate UI xml. i can't figure it out.
00:34.36Iiris_Frosti just wait for someone to make a visual UI editor. (if that ever happens)
00:39.50VailrethYarf
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01:39.54CryptRatMy model request was filled fast. o_O
01:40.36CryptRatAlso, what's with validators having a "Failure Result" and "Result - Failure" fields? They sound basically the same...
01:43.08Vailrethno clue there
01:50.57CryptRatAnyone know the name of the restoration ability that happens to Zeratul in the story mode?
01:51.05CryptRatIt has that overhead sphere actor thing.
01:51.36Vailrethnope sorry
01:51.58Vailrethbut you could check the campaign map and find it im sure
01:53.34CryptRatOh right
01:53.46CryptRatI forgot you could open those directly.
01:54.55Vailrethyes
02:01.13CryptRatI suspect the editors were fans of Lord of the Rings.
02:01.22CryptRatThe unit variable is named THEONEZERATUL
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02:10.09CryptRatSo the Zeratul heal thing is done all through triggers.
02:10.14CryptRatThe actor and everything
02:10.37CryptRat"ShieldTransferImpact (Unnamed)"
02:18.14TaintedwispThat shit was gay... my gay ass internet went out for 4 hours
02:18.16Taintedwisplol
02:19.36CryptRatGay ass internet sounds nice. Where'd you get it?
02:23.42TaintedwispIts ....Windstream...
02:23.49Taintedwispthe shittiest of america... right beside dial up
02:24.26Taintedwispwe are paying 90$ a month... for 3mb download... and if we lived just 3 miles from here... we could get 12 MB downlaod for 40 a month...
02:24.40Taintedwispand it would be reliable Time Warner
02:51.58CryptRatMy abilities' costs aren't desplaying on the command card.
02:52.07CryptRatI remember this happening before, but don't remember how I fixed it.
02:52.14CryptRatI'm sure it's just a flag somewhere that I'm missing...
02:57.07TaintedwispThere should be a flag on the ability, that says... Show cost
02:57.17TaintedwispMaybe in the Cost+ i dont really remember
03:00.51Vailrethlash and beefy's ultimates now require the proper levels
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03:03.08TaintedwispNice
03:03.17TaintedwispDid that sotis map help you any?
03:03.45Vailrethyes. gave me a template for the requirements
03:03.51Taintedwispnice.
03:04.02TaintedwispSotis sucks, but they did the heros decent lol
03:04.28TaintedwispDoes beefs ultimate now work?
03:04.40TaintedwispIt wasnt working earlier :(
03:05.32CryptRatTaintedwisp, if that's the case, then what's the flag that displays numbers above the unit when energy, etc, is spent?
03:05.45Taintedwispdunno
03:06.09Taintedwispi just know theres a flag that shows the cost
03:06.15TaintedwispBecause I had it on my Morph Abiltieis
03:06.23TaintedwispAbilities
03:11.14Taintedwispso Vailreth, how did your grinder/Psychic tower turn out?
03:12.04Vailrethi stopped work after i got the neutral grinders working
03:12.27Vailrethi will get back to it after i do some cosmetics in EF
03:12.55Taintedwispawesome
03:13.16TaintedwispYeah, I will be on some tommorow from around 9 pr 10-3 or 4
03:13.17Taintedwisplol
03:13.22TaintedwispThen i will be gone for 5 days
03:13.32Taintedwispwell till tuesday
03:14.32Vailrethalright
03:18.13TaintedwispMUCH BETTTER
03:19.14TaintedwispHey do you have the map open on your side? if so feel free to save over my latest changes, I can re-do them ina bout 2 seconds, it was just importing and replacing, I colored the Immortal texture a little more green, because they last texture wasnt close enough to true color, but now its perfect
03:19.53Vailrethi dont have it open i always edit a local copy
03:22.16Taintedwispahh
03:22.17Taintedwispokay
03:22.24Taintedwisphttp://i.imgur.com/W6JHx.jpg
03:22.28TaintedwispThats the new color
03:22.33Taintedwispits a bit more towards green
03:22.46Taintedwispthe teal was covering up Player 3s team color, and it looked too bland
03:22.57Vailrethcool
03:31.18Vailrethif you want to see the grinder map i can up load its current state as well as the updated EF
03:31.30TaintedwispSure
03:32.41Vailrethis EF open?
03:35.48Vailrethto capture a grinder a hero has to be close to it while the hero will be file any non heroic unit that gets close enough will be killed and 1 mineral; given to the units controller, and enemy units can not be ground.
03:36.00Vailrethwill be fine*
03:36.38TaintedwispLOL i CLOSED EF JUST NOW LAWL
03:38.00Vailrethalso the grinder checks every 10 game seconds for a nearby hero of its player owner if there is none it becomes neutral again
03:38.45Taintedwispah okay cool
03:39.42Vailrethwiat you said you payed 90 usd for 3mb down?
03:41.48Taintedwispyeah...
03:41.49Taintedwisplol
03:42.59Vailrethwow i pay about 50 each for tv and 20 mb down
03:43.06Vailrethand i feel ripped off
03:47.20Taintedwisplol
03:47.26Taintedwispthey have monopolized this area
03:47.28Taintedwispcant help it
03:47.35TaintedwispOtherwise we would switch
03:48.12Taintedwispand if we wanted tv that would be another 80$ a month..
03:48.17Taintedwispthats why we got rid of Satalite
03:48.32TaintedwispWindstream the shittiest internet around
03:48.50Vailrethdo you mind if i link to the grinder map in public chat it seems to be taking for ever and a half for it to up load to our shared folder.
03:49.17Vailrethalso id like some more opinons on it if you dont mind?
03:49.37Vailrethand they just finish lol
03:50.28Taintedwisplol
03:50.30Vailrethi added five buttons for Infused carapace 1 for each level of the buff with its own tooltio i hope they show..
03:50.39TaintedwispDude, I'm not too secretive about this map :P
03:50.48Taintedwispgo for it
03:50.58Vailrethhttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/25150886/grinder.SC2Map
03:51.23Taintedwisp? why you link to it didnt you put it in the shared folder?
03:51.24TaintedwispLol
03:51.28TaintedwispI got it on my computer right then
03:51.36Vailrethyeah ...
03:51.57Vailrethi was like " this is taking for ever i ll just link to the damn thing " and Poof They finished
03:52.05Taintedwispah lol
03:53.02Vailrethah sweet the buttons show exactlyt as i wanted them too
03:53.56Vailrethnow i will do Wound and the i will do consume after a better icon is done ..
03:54.56TaintedwispHey just for the grinder, can you make it so that it detects any unit? even if its not a hero
03:55.05Taintedwispthat should allow us to throw in units without the hero being around
03:55.30Taintedwispother then that it works great
03:55.47Vailrethi will have to rework it abit but i can do that
03:56.45Taintedwispanother thing is can you reduce the time it checks to see if a  unit is around it to like .1? or .5
03:57.00Vailrethok
03:57.04Taintedwispbecause right now if a hero goes to it, it takes 10 seconds to gain control
03:57.12Taintedwispthose 2 things then it should be perfect
03:59.25Taintedwispand then the psychic tower can work too.
03:59.36Taintedwispit can just order them to move to the nearest grinde
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04:00.58TaintedwispYOU GET OUT SIXEN!!!
04:00.59Taintedwisplol
04:01.00Taintedwisphey
04:01.02Sixen;o
04:04.10TaintedwispWHOA
04:04.14Taintedwisplol
04:04.48TaintedwispSomething is wrong with beef vailreth lawl, YoTC doesnt work, The stim? i dunno if it works, and the Cow bomb... its interesting... deff interesting, but it doenst work lol
04:05.23Vailrethok i was sure i had them working
04:05.32Vailrethill get back on it in a sec
04:05.40Taintedwispand Cow apocalypse doesnt work
04:05.44Taintedwisplol
04:06.20TaintedwispWell i will be gone for 5 days, the main thing I would like you to get done is, Lash, Beef, the Grinder, and maybe the psychic, if you could
04:06.53Vailrethi will  do my best sorry it sstill glistch
04:07.07Taintedwisp:P dont worrie about it. Its all about the end result
04:07.24TaintedwispGood thing catching them now instead of at release
04:07.43Vailrethyes
04:08.40TaintedwispHey ill brb in 5-10 minutes gotta start some laundry and switch rooms with computer.
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04:23.59taintedwispyo ill be watching a tv show, if oyu need me beep me and ill answer right away
04:25.41Vailrethok i should have everything under control
04:34.29Vailrethfrom  now on i create every thin in EF...
04:43.25taintedwisp?
04:43.25taintedwisplol
04:43.46taintedwispDid I screwup somewhere?
04:44.15Vailrethno im tired of correcting things that i make and bring over
04:44.22taintedwispohh lol
04:44.29Vailrethform now on its made in map
04:44.41taintedwispAhhh lol
04:45.16Vailrethis there a cheat that maxes the level  for debug purposes?
04:46.18CryptRatYou could probably write one.
04:46.32CryptRatAnd set a variable to true when you're working in the reditor.
04:55.55taintedwispnot currently created
04:55.59taintedwispbut im sure theres a way to make one
04:56.42taintedwispor just set the zerglings xp to 100 and then type makeunit zergling in game
04:56.48taintedwispmakeunit zergling 5
04:56.50taintedwispfor example
04:57.24Vailrethi added one just now
04:59.23taintedwispkk
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05:19.07CryptRatI still can't figure out this cost display thing. ._.
05:19.51CryptRatAll of my ability's relevant flags look the same as snipe, but the energy cost just won't show up.
05:21.44CryptRatThe Cost - Cost Display field is for the "-25" text overhead.
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05:25.16taintedwispone sec crpyt lemnme check'
05:25.35taintedwispill check in my map
05:25.38taintedwispand tell you
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05:27.26taintedwispin cost+ there is a feild called Cost Display...
05:27.40taintedwispwiat nvm
05:28.30Vailrethcheck the buttons?
05:29.27CryptRatThe buttons didn't seem to have anything wrong with them.
05:31.45taintedwispi thought it was cost display
05:32.19CryptRatI'm going to verify that the map I copied them from had the cost showing up properly.
05:33.57taintedwisphmm mine are showing properly
05:34.31taintedwispokay its deff NOT cost display
05:34.36taintedwispI dont have any of those checked off
05:35.16CryptRatI'm wondering if it has to do with the Links, but I tried changing those to what would have been default.
05:38.37taintedwispWAIT
05:38.43taintedwispyou are setting its cost in the ability right?
05:39.00taintedwispWhat kind of ability is it?
05:40.34taintedwispSay cryptrat
05:41.32CryptRatYeah the cost is showing up properly in the map I copied the abilities from.
05:41.40CryptRatThe cost is set in ability cost, yes.
05:41.47CryptRatThey're all Effect-Target s
05:41.53taintedwispBAH, dont copy lawl, Copy breaks in EF
05:41.53taintedwisplol
05:42.00CryptRatEF?
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05:42.05taintedwispi ment in the editor
05:42.08taintedwispEF is my project
05:42.09taintedwisplol
05:42.14taintedwispwell my teams project :P
05:42.29CryptRatAnd copy does what now?
05:42.50taintedwispI have noticed 4 people, that have said that it breaks things when you copy units into teh editor
05:42.52taintedwispyour the 4th
05:42.57taintedwispVail is the 3rd lol
05:43.01CryptRatI'm not copying units
05:43.05CryptRatJust abilities.
05:43.27taintedwispStill, same thing your best bet is to Look through it, and manually re-do the abilities and effects
05:43.31CryptRatGranted, I *suppose* these abilities would be easy to redo from scratch....
05:43.33taintedwispand behaviors and whatever else
05:43.44CryptRatWhy the behaviors?
05:44.01taintedwispBecause copying those could break too, i havent looked too much into it
05:44.06CryptRat:|
05:44.11CryptRatEven the effects?
05:44.38taintedwispI know that when vail copied Beef O matic into our map, it broke Actors, Effects, and Abilities :P
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05:45.05taintedwispNo damage, no cows, and at first the button didnt work lawl
05:45.30taintedwispHey vailreth, did you see the bug with Beef O matic? the one with the cow bomb, LAWL
05:45.35taintedwispHe throws himself
05:45.48taintedwispand then he explodes doing 0 damage
05:45.51CryptRatI mean, It's not like I copied everything expecting it to all work immediately.
05:46.02taintedwisp:P yeah
05:46.12CryptRatand I actually had to create new actors for the stuff since the prototype was different
05:46.18taintedwispJust remember that copying/duplication loves to break in the editor
05:46.23taintedwispI try to do it one part at a time
05:46.24CryptRat:|
05:46.33CryptRatBut the trigger editor should be fine wiht copying?
05:46.43taintedwispAs long as the locales are the same
05:46.53CryptRataside from having to relink functions and stuff
05:47.00taintedwispyeah
05:47.09taintedwispim not a trigger editor though
05:47.14taintedwispEmberflame does that for me ATM
05:47.14taintedwisplol
05:47.58Vailrethtainted how about neutral grinders than can be used by any one and that give minerals to the owner of the ground unit? because this is pissing me off and that would be simpler
05:48.22taintedwisplol thats fine too
05:48.23taintedwisplawl
05:48.27taintedwispSame concept
05:48.28taintedwisplol
05:48.42taintedwispthe only point was to make it so that the units could go to the grinder without a hero present
05:48.43taintedwisplawl
05:49.01Vailrethyeah i was trying to do that and its saying No
05:49.06taintedwisplol
05:49.17taintedwispyeah if you can make it stay neutral then awesome
05:49.34Vailrethok
05:49.35CryptRatCan you put hormones in your beef?
05:49.46taintedwispamerica does that for me
05:49.47taintedwisplol
05:50.15Vailreththe cattle prod ability should have beend BGH'
05:50.22taintedwispalright watching tv again beep me(type taintedwisp) if you need me
05:50.23Vailrethor CGH
05:50.27taintedwisp?
05:50.30taintedwispwhats that stand for?
05:50.39VailrethBovine and cattle growth horomonse
05:50.50taintedwispGo for it if you want to rename lol
05:51.03taintedwisprename any abilities you want
05:51.11taintedwispif you can think of a better name then go for it lawl
05:51.15Vailrethnod
05:52.15taintedwispI dont know if you have noticed yet, but I am not a control freak when it comes to Creativity lol, heres my philosiphy on the entire map... add whatever you want, as long as it can be balanced and add more fun to the map.
05:52.33Vailrethcool
05:52.47taintedwispFenix Reborn... i dont like that name... It needs to have Fenix in the name, because its a tribute name to fenix from SC1... hmmm
05:52.54taintedwispFenix 3.0?
05:52.56taintedwispperhaps
05:53.02taintedwispIll think about that some more tomorrow
05:53.22taintedwispbecause he started as a Zealot, then Dragoon, Immortal would be the next logical step
05:53.37taintedwispBut hes already been reborn... this is the 2nd time hes been reborn
05:53.51CryptRatffs that fixed it  >:|
05:53.58taintedwisp:P
05:54.03taintedwispWell alright, Imma go watch my show
05:54.06taintedwispbeep me if you need me
05:54.09CryptRatIs the entirety of the data editor saved in XML?
05:54.28CryptRatAnyone? taintedwisp?
05:55.04Vailrethpretty much the data editor is a fancy gui for writing xml
05:55.45CryptRatFair enough.
05:55.57CryptRatThe trigger editor saves as what?
05:56.06CryptRatI know it gets compiled into Galaxy, but what is it saved as?
05:58.02Vailrethi think that is also pretty much wysiwyg as far as saving it goes like you said compiling is a diffrent story
05:58.38Vailrethcould also be xml or some dynamic text not sure
05:59.03Vailrethi do not deal with triggers enough to know more sorry
06:00.36CryptRatIt's certainly not saving it as plain text.
06:00.59Vailrethno i dont think it would be plain text.
06:01.10CryptRatI get that it's laid out to be an easy to compile abstract syntax tree, but I still don't get how they're laying it out for saving.
06:01.17CryptRatI guess it's basically XML.
06:02.23Vailrethmay be something a little heartier because it can handle math and the data editor cant but i dont know xml that well
06:03.09CryptRatWell I mean, what is contained in the trigger editor is basically just a structure for code, not actually code--just the structure/layout
06:03.24Vailrethhm
06:03.49CryptRatIt really can't do squat until it's compiled AND run on a Galaxy interpreter.
06:04.04Vailrethtrue.
06:04.54CryptRatThe trigger editor was put together quite well for not having people to learn low level coding practices like syntax, but leads to awkward moments where you can't find the function you're looking for until you realize the slot you're trying to fill has a different data type.
06:05.19Vailrethyeah
06:06.44CryptRatI would imagine the trigger editor is less volatile than units.
06:07.02CryptRatleading to the unit editor's XML being really ... fickle
06:08.05Vailrethyeah
06:15.39Vailrethim out later folks
06:15.46CryptRatAlso the data editor has 100s more knobs than the trigger editor
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14:18.26Ahlipathfinding ignores the lowest radius of a unit... 0 and 0.0625 are the same in that regard. :S
14:18.51Ahlione can simply walk through 0.0625 radius units
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14:24.31IcesmasterHello
14:25.03IcesmasterIs there a Trigger god around here who could help me?
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14:29.09IcesmasterHave map crash issues and def trigger related
14:30.11Ahlido you know which trigger or action crashes your map?
14:31.05Ahlialso, send the bug report. sc2 shouldn't crash at all.
14:32.32Icesmasterthe game dosent crashes, but does get bugged, and it is related my Lobby to ingame team trigger
14:32.36Icesmasterthe following happens
14:34.16Icesmaster6v6 map, 2 player in muti, dosent matter which side placed, you launch the game, begans load and at middile of the load the players droped out to the menu, the scoar board that would load normally does not come up. This happens since bliz updated the tools 2 days ago, with all version of the map that work before 100% with 12 players
14:35.59Icesmasteri'm not an expert of triggers, and in solo, alone they work no problem. the error log is on Mapster
14:36.23Ahlilink
14:36.41Icesmasterhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/42143-help-requiered-to-fix-lobby-teams-load-crash/#p2
14:36.51Icesmasterthe map is there as well
14:37.08Icesmasterwill upload a newer version, but the very same issue remained
14:38.06Ahliso the problem only appears when someone drops out of the game during loading the map?
14:38.36Icesmasterit always happen when not alone launch it, 2+ players
14:38.51Icesmasterand every one drops
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14:42.16Icesmasterlatest version uploading now
14:43.04Ahlithe score board you were talking about is the score screen that is displayed on battle.net after playing a map?
14:44.32IcesmasterNo, it looks like wanna load it, but unable to load it and stucks there, unless go elsewhere in the game menu ( archade menu agen or alike ) and can stay there for a hour
14:44.54Icesmasterupload compleat
14:45.00Icesmasterlink same
14:48.08Ahliremove player from (players on team#) does not work ;D
14:48.17Ahlior it can't work
14:48.30Ahliyou can't edit the lobby's teams.
14:48.51Icesmasterooookey, i made it based on a tutorial
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14:48.58Icesmasterso thats causing it?
14:49.20Icesmasterstragnge becouse it was there for 3 moths, and had 6v6 many times with same triggers in there
14:49.33Icesmasteruntill 2 days ago
14:49.49AhliI don't experience a crash/failure. I just look at the triggers and state that that line does nothing in your map... maybe it is causing problems, yes
14:50.17Ahlithe first pick each player can be deleted without problems
14:50.17Icesmasterit only happens if testing it with some one else as well
14:50.31Icesmasterif just alone, there will nothing happen, map loads and can play
14:50.38Ahlicomputers don't seem to cause it. But we can't test lobby teams in the editor
14:50.59Icesmasteri have the map uploaded
14:51.04IcesmasterNA or EU?
14:51.10Ahlipoints to Blizz-Artestru, pls add lobby settings for document test
14:51.17AhliEU
14:51.22Icesmasterokie
14:51.28Icesmasteri gonna log on, 1 min
14:54.08Icesmasterhave chat room, Star Armada
14:55.17RepoUpdated wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Validators / Unit Compare Ability Level - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/validators/unit-compare-ability-level/
14:58.49Blizz-ArtestruMorning mappers.
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14:59.25AhliI was trapped in sc2's loading screen :X
14:59.38Icesmasterbuggy game!
14:59.40Icesmaster=)
14:59.44Icesmasterwb
14:59.55Blizz-Artestru:(
15:00.01AhliI would blame win7. It allowed itself to not let me escape
15:00.31Icesmasterit didnt allow you to stop SC2?
15:02.07Icesmasteri'm ingame mean time, chat room Star Armada, if wanna see what happens exactly if try load the map in multi
15:02.20TheSkunk__Morning Art
15:02.43Ahligogo
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15:28.59Vailrethhello folks
15:29.19TheSkunk__Hey
15:31.14Vailrethwhats every one working on?
15:31.39RepoNew wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Effect Targets - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/effect-targets/
15:32.00Vailreththanks Repo your such a helpful bot
15:32.14RepoUpdated wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Targets (Effects) - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/targets-effects/
15:33.29RepoUpdated wiki entry: Galaxy / Main Page - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/main-page/
15:34.54RepoUpdated wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Targets (Effects) - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/targets-effects/
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15:41.25Vailrethbehold the majestic sizen in its return to in natural habitat
15:41.37Vailrethsixen** blah
15:41.55Ashamedahhh
15:42.09Vailrethhey Ashamed
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15:43.06Ashamedgood mornings
15:46.10Icesmasterhello there
15:47.18Vailrethwhats up?
15:47.30RepoUpdated wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Abilities - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/abilities/
15:47.48Ashamednot much just trying get my csgo servers clan up and running
15:47.51Ashameddoing pretty good
15:48.14Vailrethi see
15:50.13G0ABlizz-Artestru Bug: you cant add new parameter in the editor for arithmetic multiple if you use it as initial value in variable.
15:53.14IcesmasterArtestru can you help?
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15:59.37VailrethBlizz-Artestru sorry i know you are busy but i have been wondering for a while and now i must ask: how do you get your Blzzard names? is it picked out by you, handed down to you by a blizzard overlord? or maybe you are anonited with it after traveling the underworld to apease an old crone with a poition if youth?
16:00.03Vailrethof youth*
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16:09.31Helralwho let repo into the channel.... ;p
16:09.36Helralmeows innocently
16:10.51HelralVailreth: potion, or poison which one did you mean? ;p
16:11.10Vailrethpotion sorry
16:11.17Vailrethmy fingers, they disobey
16:11.49Blizz-ArtestruThe last option was closest, Vailreth. :)
16:11.58Blizz-ArtestruBut I picked it myself.
16:12.14Vailrethi see
16:12.47Blizz-ArtestruWe all get to pick our names and avatars.  I even made my own animation. :)
16:12.56Helralafter visiting an old crone in the underworld to be allowed that....
16:12.57Helral;p
16:13.17Blizz-ArtestruYes, of course.
16:13.35Helralold crone in the underworld is a simple metaphore for "employer" ;p
16:14.16Blizz-ArtestruWe did have to get our names approved, yes. :)
16:14.51Helralso if you would pick Raynor as nick you'd prolly get a no as answer ;p
16:15.04Helralbur ronyaR would be just fine ;p
16:15.17Helralbut*
16:15.18Blizz-ArtestruThere may or may not be a dev who has a name that means something backwards. :)
16:15.58Helralhmmmm so artist.R.u
16:16.53Blizz-ArtestruHeh, that's clever, but not it. :)
16:17.42Helral:p
16:18.04HelralA.R. Test Ru...ssian
16:18.07Helral;p
16:18.40Blizz-ArtestruWhat does A.R. mean?
16:19.47Helralno idea ;p
16:20.01Helralbut it must mean sumething...
16:20.35Blizz-ArtestruMy name does mean something.  I'll give you that much.
16:20.43Helralso does mine ;p
16:21.08G0ARussian tester aka Are test ru .D
16:22.19Helralroflol I even forgot in which language my name was written....
16:22.26Helralthought it was elven, but it wasn't ;p
16:24.43HelralArt es tru .... no idea what it means though... except that it has something to do with art....
16:25.03Helralwhy does copying 1 file take 25 minutes :S.....
16:26.25Helralmight as well watch an anime in the time it takes to copy the file....
16:30.47Icesmaster=)
16:31.07Helralgot to do something while waiting.....
16:31.15Helraland it's only 1 file .....
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16:31.50KuekenHello, Gentlemen
16:32.02Kuekenand the occasional lady as well, of course
16:32.17Helrallooks at Kueken....
16:32.39Kueken...sry
16:32.47KuekenHello kittens
16:32.55Helralmeows approvingly
16:33.21Helral;p
16:33.40Kuekendid I hurt the feelings of anyone else? Notify me.
16:34.21Kuekennext time I will go with "Hello, scumbags"
16:34.28KuekenI am sure, noone will object
16:34.59Helrallooks at Kueken....
16:35.19Kuekenlooks back
16:35.22Helralmake sure that I'm not there then ;p
16:35.37Helralotherwise some kitten will object ;p
16:35.38Kuekenstaring contest
16:36.00Helralstares at Kueken, Helral's eyes slowly start to brighten
16:36.02Icesmaster*eats popcorn* =p
16:36.19Kuekenblinks
16:36.22Kuekendamn
16:36.22Helralmeows innocently while staring at Kueken.
16:36.24Helral:)
16:36.26Helrallol
16:36.54Kuekenkitten too strong
16:37.07Helralmeows
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16:37.14TaintedwispShut up stupid cat
16:37.24Taintedwisp:P
16:37.27Taintedwisphey everyone
16:37.37Helralmeows at Taintedwisp
16:37.54TaintedwispAlright Vailreth, im online, if you have any questions tell me now. :D,  i will leave in a few hours
16:37.56Taintedwisp2-3
16:38.06Kuekenoh no, its a shadow wolf
16:38.09Kuekenrun!
16:38.14TaintedwispTHATS RIGHT
16:38.21Taintedwispuhh
16:38.29TaintedwispKueken.. I may have to murder your family for that one...
16:38.34TaintedwispITS ISHADOWWOLF!!!!!
16:38.35Taintedwisplawl
16:38.36Vailrethno questions but if ihave one i will ask. right now i am redoing the noflyzones to use less total
16:38.53TaintedwispTHANK YOU!!!, i looked into that 40 minutes one day
16:38.55Kuekenwell, since my name translated means chicken you probably did that already
16:39.00Taintedwispthen I get pissed and just copy/pasted tons of them
16:39.06Taintedwispdelicious
16:41.59TaintedwispHey Vailreth, do you want to be an author on the site, so you dont have to see those adds?
16:42.23Vailrethna thats ok i dont mind the ads
16:42.30Taintedwisp:P
16:42.34Taintedwispok
16:42.50Vailrethyes i was able to remove a total of 43 nofly zones that were redundant
16:43.02Taintedwisplol
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16:43.40TaintedwispAwesome
16:43.49TaintedwispHopefully that will reduce clutter and lag
16:43.50Taintedwisplol
16:44.33Taintedwispanything you can do to reduce lag, is always welcome, just dont stop the building animations... or slow them down anymore, i did that... and it made the map seem soooooo borrreeeinnnngggg
16:44.34Taintedwisplol
16:45.42Vailrethok, im testing for breaks in my newly done nofly border right now
16:45.48Taintedwispawesome
16:47.24TaintedwispI wish there was a way to just paint pathing, and then put NO FLY!!!! lol
16:49.25Vailrethyeah
16:49.56TaintedwispHey blizz-Artestru you there?
16:50.07Vailrethor atleast the ability to set the nofly zones to diffrent numers of sides
16:51.02Blizz-ArtestruHey what's up?
16:51.16TaintedwispHey do you know where the repair tool is located? i cant find it anywhere
16:51.24TaintedwispTrying to helphttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/42236-help-please/#p3
16:51.28TaintedwispTrying to help*
16:51.32Taintedwisphttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/42236-help-please/#p3
16:52.01Blizz-ArtestruHmm, I don't offhand.  I'd suggest going to our tech support website on battle.net.
16:52.09Blizz-ArtestruMaybe checking the tech support forums?
16:52.12Taintedwispok
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16:54.27Vailreththats strange as off the update the repair tool is mia
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16:54.57Blizz-Deletariusmorning everyone
16:55.06Helralgood evening
16:55.09Blizz-DeletariusDogmai - are you there?
16:57.02Taintedwispvhttp://us.battle.net/support/en/article/deleting-the-battlenet-cache-folder-pc
16:57.14TaintedwispWHAT THE HELL!!! lol, Whoever wrote that.... yeah
16:57.15Taintedwisplol
16:57.31TaintedwispC:\ProgramData\Battle.net?
16:58.23TaintedwispOh well
16:58.26TaintedwispIm tired of looked
16:58.28TaintedwispI leave in 2 hours
16:58.44Vailrethhave a good vacation man
16:59.16Icesmasterokie... time to make some weapons
16:59.28Taintedwispthanks
16:59.37TaintedwispIcesmaster... you love MEN!!!!!!!
16:59.39Taintedwisplol
16:59.53TaintedwispI dont even knwo you that well.. but im more then willing to call you gay
17:00.06Taintedwispdoes that make you feel good?
17:00.06Blizz-Deletariuso_O
17:01.01TaintedwispI wonder if anyone has noticed... I dont take the internet serious... lol
17:01.06TaintedwispI dont see a reason to
17:01.21Helraldon't use difficult words Taintedwisp....
17:01.26Helralserious..... what is that? ;p
17:01.30Helralmeows innocently
17:01.33Icesmasterlol
17:01.37Taintedwisp:P
17:02.05Taintedwispsells Helral to a chinese butcher shop
17:02.18Blizz-Deletariusmore or less, with things along those lines, it makes it more difficult to participate in the irc chat on my end
17:02.39Helralwatches how the chinese butcher shop sells dog meat, horse meat, and give him some side dishes.
17:03.29Helralis not interested in the side dishes and walks off.
17:03.32Taintedwisplol
17:03.34Helral;p
17:04.17Helralit's a side dish from a butcher shop... it must be drugged....
17:06.28Kuekenwell, Deletarius, we know the problem :D
17:06.43Taintedwispha, dont worrie Deletarius, I will try not do anything that could potentially get you in trouble
17:07.01TaintedwispThats why I dont use the heavier wording and suc
17:07.04Taintedwispsuch
17:07.21Kuekena butcher shop?
17:07.29Kuekenbetter eat fast, it might enrage
17:08.50Taintedwispooops
17:09.22TaintedwispHEY VAILRETH lol uhhh I may or may not have hit save, so if it pops up, then ignore it and feel free to save over it lol
17:09.25TaintedwispI was just fiddling around with textures
17:10.28TaintedwispAnd those 2 pictures I put in Vailreth, can you do me a favor? import those into the Textures folder
17:11.57zenx1futftuftut freestylooo
17:17.45zenx1no?
17:17.47zenx1:/
17:22.12TaintedwispNO\
17:22.19TaintedwispYOU SHUT YOUR DIRTY MOUTH ZENX
17:22.29Taintedwispdare take that language with me
17:23.01Taintedwisp:P
17:23.31TaintedwispBut yeah vailreth,  just import them to that folder and Replace the other 2 named the same, it should change the texture swap for the immortal to the new color
17:23.36zenx1havent you heard the song
17:23.41Taintedwisphttp://i.imgur.com/QxaL5.jpg
17:23.44Taintedwispnope
17:24.04zenx1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6kRD0_qTbc
17:24.28zenx1blue immortal was better
17:24.36TaintedwispI hit dislike... just to be a hater
17:24.38zenx1I want larget crystal on zealots head
17:24.39TaintedwispWell Green immortal makes more sense
17:24.39Taintedwisplol
17:24.44TaintedwispIts Fenix is immortal
17:24.45Taintedwisplol
17:24.57TaintedwispI wanted the player colors to show though
17:25.02TaintedwispSo I made the immortal green
17:25.03zenx1yuck
17:25.05zenx1blue was better
17:25.06Taintedwispfenix was always green
17:25.20TaintedwispTake that up with the Sc1 team
17:25.24zenx1you and your fenix
17:25.24Taintedwisp:P
17:25.43Taintedwispif you don know who fenix was... well theres a 4 letter word, and a 3 letter word for you
17:25.44Taintedwisplolo
17:26.26TaintedwispFenix, is one of my favorite Characters from Starcraft universe
17:26.34TaintedwispUntil Kerrigan killed him in his dragoon form
17:26.38TaintedwispSo now hes an Immortal
17:26.40Taintedwisplol
17:27.07TaintedwispGreen Zealot> Green Dragoon > Green immortal
17:27.08Taintedwisplol
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17:27.23zenx1dead = green immortal?
17:27.50TaintedwispWell he is Fenix...
17:27.53TaintedwispSo he can be reborn
17:27.54Taintedwisplol
17:27.57zenx1i see
17:28.04TaintedwispThey killed him as a zealot too
17:28.12Vailrethok
17:28.40Vailrethsorry i was called away but you want me to import those two textures?
17:28.55Taintedwispyeah into the Texture Folder and replace the 2 with the same name
17:29.21TaintedwispAlso Vailreth I dont know if you noticed, but someone imported a ton of Buttons, so feel free to use any of them
17:29.22Taintedwisplol
17:30.08Vailrethok
17:30.11TaintedwispHey What would you think if I made it so when you picked your hero a Help icon came up and when you click it, it has a Bio of that hero?
17:31.43TaintedwispDAMMIT I DRED THIS RIDE!!!
17:31.44Taintedwisplol
17:31.47Taintedwisp15 hour drive to NY...
17:31.50TaintedwispGlad I dont have to drive
17:31.51Taintedwisplol
17:31.54Vailrethnot sure i think it would be better show for the hero before selection so you have an idea of who you are picking before hand
17:32.17TaintedwispWell, yeah but I ment more of a back story, I will write a small sentence or 2 for that too
17:32.26TaintedwispLike Explaining who Fenix is, and such
17:33.01TaintedwispFor example, for Fenix, Once a Dragoon, now a powerful Immortal who takes damage to help his friends.
17:33.14Taintedwispor something like that in the tooltip for him
17:33.28Taintedwispthen it has his role, and such
17:33.46TaintedwispI mean like a paragraph or 2 stored in the help section
17:33.51Vailrethah
17:34.03Vailrethflavor text basically
17:34.09Taintedwispyeah
17:34.14Vailreththat could work
17:34.17Vailrethi like it
17:34.27Taintedwispkk. Ill begin working on that when I get back
17:34.33TaintedwispShould just require basic triggerering
17:34.40Vailrethnod
17:35.30Taintedwisphahahaa, I got it for Beef O Matic lawl.
17:35.55TaintedwispOnce a Power lvl 90 Tauren Warrior, he was abducted by aliens and just go with it from there
17:36.48TaintedwispOr Once a Powerful Prot Warrior, beef was Abducted by the terrifying commander Duke. and was forced to fight alongside his companion Murloc.
17:37.25TaintedwispI might Write some in NY or atleast on the trip
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17:38.31Vailrethi maybe er Borrowing some of these buttons >..>
17:38.44Taintedwisp:P
17:39.09TaintedwispI didnt put them in the map, but I think if I remember right, neonsz got them from some huge pack
17:39.11Taintedwisp:P
17:39.45G0Awhats the general text size in sc2? 20?
17:40.05G0AI mean if you send a text  message or set dialog's text
17:40.46TaintedwispOkay then vailreth, I have to credit SoulFlicher lawl
17:40.54Taintedwisphttp://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/abilities-and-upgrades-icon-pack/
17:41.00TaintedwispTheres the icon pack
17:41.00Taintedwisplol
17:41.01Vailrethi see
17:41.20TaintedwispI think Imma have team members on 1 side and special thanks on the otherside when I design the loading screen
17:42.21Vailrethcool
17:42.31Vailrethok i got those files imported.
17:42.43Taintedwispnice
17:43.12TaintedwispNext time you save and exit, and re-enter the textures should auto place on the immortal
17:43.18Taintedwisp:P
17:43.32TaintedwispThats why I needed it to replace those other 2 textures so it would have the same directory
17:44.12XenoX101is there any way to retain the save file directory after saving to a new directory?
17:44.34XenoX101I have similr files in both folders and I sometimes make the mistake of opening the wrong file
17:44.37XenoX101similar*
17:46.08Vailrethso i said infestor:? i bearly know her >..>
17:46.29Taintedwispif you use Save as xeno it should keep the current and create a copy with your changes
17:46.42Taintedwispotherwise just copy/paste your map to another folder
17:46.44Vailrethbut i do like the current look of the swarm mother looks like a giant zergy brain pullsing
17:46.51Taintedwisplol
17:46.59Taintedwisp:D
17:47.17TaintedwispKingZhakul is still my favorite
17:47.23TaintedwispHe looks like a Samurai
17:47.24Taintedwisplol
17:47.29Taintedwispwitha  sheild
17:47.30Taintedwisplol
17:48.53Vailrethwe could see about putting the murloc marine on Beefs back
17:49.03Taintedwisp:D
17:49.05TaintedwispThat would be cool
17:49.21Taintedwispdidnt think about that
17:49.33Taintedwispbut Itswould have to be placed correctly
17:49.43Vailrethyeah
17:49.55TaintedwispIt would need animation tweaking atleast the animation speed
17:50.02Taintedwispso that it doesnt animate too mcuh
17:51.12IcesmasterArtestru, have a quastion while waitting
17:51.20Taintedwispwere you able to find that unit leak?
17:51.39Vailrethno
17:51.43Taintedwisphmm
17:52.01Vailreththere is that infinite zergling spawn trigger but i dount thats what you mean
17:52.11IcesmasterOn my map i plan to give the zergs "shield" in form of an external shell
17:52.27Icesmasterhit points would be the same as the base unit
17:52.44Icesmaster( Target points )
17:53.38Taintedwispyeah I made that
17:53.46Taintedwispits just a simple unit dies create zergling
17:53.49Taintedwisplol
17:53.50Taintedwispfor texting purposes
17:53.51Taintedwisplol
17:54.09Taintedwisptesting
17:54.10Taintedwisplol
17:54.26Taintedwisphmm Ill talk to ember flame when I get back and see if he cant make it so that it works correctly
17:54.55TaintedwispIll have him put in a few conditions so it excludes Missles, heroes, Building, and a few others
17:55.11TaintedwispIts probably a missile leak
17:55.21Taintedwispbecause it counts the cows falling too
17:57.47Vailrethhmm
17:58.50TaintedwispIll have him just not count them, but they cause lag is what Im worried about
17:58.54Taintedwispif around 5k of them spawn...
17:58.55Taintedwisplol
17:59.50Taintedwisphmm, we should fix it on the data side, but it shouldnt be counted on the data side either
17:59.57Taintedwispi mean it shouldnt be counted on the trigger side either
18:03.55TaintedwispI think I will take... I think it was Kuekens idea... dont remember, and export these heroes into a mod. when all are finished and evolution frenzy has been out for a little bit.
18:04.04TaintedwispRemove all triggers and terrain and make the mod LAWL
18:04.23TaintedwispSo they can have the basic Frenzy map, but they still have to be somewhat Creative
18:04.42Taintedwispbecause all units spawning is done via data
18:05.02TaintedwispThe abilities and events to upgrade tiers are actually there too, i just odnt use them anymore
18:05.02Taintedwisplol
18:05.26Taintedwispso a noob, could make a poor version of my map, but with some creativity they would have an amazing start
18:05.42TaintedwispAs long as they credit the Atlas Design team :D which I could do via data myself
18:05.43Taintedwisplol
18:11.42Taintedwispyeah everyone you will have to deal without me for almost a whole week, I know I know how will you all survive.. its terrible
18:12.32TaintedwispI would try to say I might have internet... but I will be camping the whole time lawl
18:12.53Taintedwispand I dont bring electronics up there lol
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18:15.12Vailrethi see
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18:17.18Taintedwispbut yeah we will discuss that mod idea after we have finished Evolution Frenzy
18:17.20Taintedwisp:D
18:17.45TaintedwispWhich I will make sure happens, :P, if there is one thing I am great at, its finishing projects
18:18.11Taintedwispmmmm Hotdog samich.. tasted good...
18:18.12Taintedwisplol
18:33.47XenoX101hm
18:33.56XenoX101does anyone know why I lose a ton of values when I copy > paste triggers between maps
18:34.14XenoX101they arent using new data
18:34.23XenoX101I have a feeling its because the dependencies are ordered differently, but that would be silly
18:37.06Kueken"...but that would be silly"
18:37.21Kuekenand as we know Blizzard doesn't do anything silly, ever ;)
18:38.43Vailrethupdating EF now
18:39.51Vailrethnot sure why its playing random stand animations but i have it when the guass rifle fires for the tauren the murloc animates
18:39.57mille25http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szEVvQDzxKI&                                
18:40.04mille252 minutes to paste a single line of code
18:40.08mille25for all the non believers <3
18:40.22Vailrethwhat about the True believers ?
18:40.58Taintedwispkk
18:41.19Taintedwispjust got done washing dishes
18:41.26Kuekengalaxy script ftw :)
18:41.33Taintedwispwill take a look at the map prob for the last time before i leave :D
18:41.38KuekenTaintedwisp: I think a green immortal could work
18:41.45Vailrethcool clean dishishes are a must before going on a vacation
18:41.46Kuekenyours just looks a little pale
18:41.50Taintedwisp?
18:42.21Taintedwisphttp://i.imgur.com/QxaL5.jpg
18:42.29TaintedwispKueken that looks pale
18:42.31Taintedwisp?
18:42.35Taintedwisp]you might have to scroll over
18:42.39Kuekenin my opinion, yes
18:42.54Kuekentry stronger colors, more saturation, darker
18:43.02Taintedwisphmmmm okay
18:43.05Taintedwispill try in a sec
18:43.31TaintedwispHAhAHAH i like the murloc Vail
18:43.46Taintedwispdo both of them have attack animations?
18:43.46Kuekenwell, its your hero, so its entirely up to you :)
18:43.53TaintedwispYeah I can see that a little bit.
18:43.58TaintedwispIll try with a stronger color
18:44.08Taintedwispill use my test version
18:44.09Taintedwisp:P
18:44.17Vailrethyeah they do but i thought it would be funnier to play the stand anims
18:44.39Vailreththat way the murloc looks a little more comic reliefe
18:44.52Taintedwispah
18:45.01TaintedwispIt looks good though
18:45.42Vailrethits because i used the Tuarens hardpoint to attach it  that point moves
18:46.15Vailrethit lookd bad when the turen was moving and murluc was stone still
18:46.35Helralmeows
18:46.45Taintedwisp:P
18:47.45TaintedwispNO MEOWING IN DIS CHANNEL!!!
18:47.45Taintedwisplawl
18:48.20Kuekenmeow
18:48.39TaintedwispTesting now kueken with greener colors
18:49.01TaintedwispI changed the teal because it looked like grey lawl
18:49.45Kuekendarker or more saturated teal could work as well :)
18:50.18Taintedwispokay Hows this one?  I am terrible at telling in photoshop whats good and what isnt
18:50.26Taintedwispone sec..  slow uploading
18:51.37Taintedwisphttp://i.imgur.com/zgjMw.jpg?3476
18:52.09TaintedwispI mean I could make it a tad darker if you think that would make it better
18:52.43Kuekenmaybe
18:52.57Kuekennot sure either
18:53.28Kuekenit usually boils down to trial&error for me as well :)
18:54.14TaintedwispIn photoshop they look great... but.... lol
18:54.18TaintedwispThe editor tends to make things more bland
18:54.34Taintedwispill try darkening them a tad
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18:55.51TaintedwispGlad I can view these changes in the editor...
18:55.52Taintedwisplol
18:56.10TaintedwispThough I probably could have use the Unit birth event instead of the timer...
18:56.23Taintedwispand that would have allowed me to see them in the editor aswell.
18:56.24Taintedwispin theory
18:57.30Helralmeows
18:57.47KuekenTaintedwisp: UnitBirth now shows it in the editor as well?
18:58.06TaintedwispThe dark did it
18:58.11TaintedwispYeah Unit birth worke don my attachmetns
18:58.21Kuekenpre-1.5 this didn't work
18:58.32Kuekeninteresting
18:58.37TaintedwispVailreth im leaving
18:58.46TaintedwispI put the 2 new textures in the folder
18:58.50Taintedwispcan you upload them and save it
18:58.53TaintedwispIt looks good now
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18:58.55Taintedwispnow doubt
18:59.06TaintedwispPeace man
18:59.08Vailrethok
18:59.10TaintedwispPeace kueken
18:59.12TaintedwispPeace everyone
18:59.15Kuekenbye
18:59.41Helralmeow
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19:44.12Icesmasterand the silance
19:44.29TheSkunk__. . .
19:44.36TheSkunk__I actually just got back recently
19:44.39Vailrethsome body say something
19:44.43TheSkunk__Thats my reason for being quiet
19:46.05Helralmeows
19:47.49Vailrethmeow?
19:47.53Helralmeow
19:47.56Vailrethmeow mix
19:48.05Helralmeow meow
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19:52.07Vailrethinterwebs jous haz the fail...
19:52.29Vailreththere is no cool Meow Mix Remix
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19:58.38griffin_hi
20:12.21zenx1catz im a kitty katz
20:12.53Kuekenwww.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/team-recruitment/42085-advanced-data-specialist-looking-for-work/
20:13.08Kuekendid anyone have a look at this
20:13.08zenx1aww
20:13.10Kueken?
20:13.11zenx1you didnt respond
20:13.29KuekenI did :)
20:13.30zenx1:(
20:13.40zenx1ah then its not updated lol
20:14.21KuekenI find it very amusing, that he shows 3 example maps of himself, 2 of them being exact replicas of ProzaicMuze's tutorial example maps
20:14.22zenx1nope
20:14.28zenx1still not to my post
20:14.41Kuekenyour post?
20:14.47Kuekensec
20:15.03Kuekenwhich one? ;)
20:15.04zenx1I posted even before you posted the link lol :D
20:15.23zenx1the last post on the thread you just linked here?
20:15.24zenx1:/
20:15.55Kuekenno, it doesn't make a living :D
20:16.02zenx1aww
20:16.19zenx1I only heard eiviyn making 200 bucks from the trollolol map
20:16.20Kuekenfor some people maybe
20:16.31zenx1(atleast I think what TB was willing to pay at that time)
20:17.01KuekenI noticed that my quality and motivation drops, when I get paid
20:17.32zenx1yes I think its hard to motivate yourself if the things you need to make are strict
20:17.39zenx1I wouldnt mind getting paid to do my own projects thou :D
20:17.45Kueken:D
20:18.25zenx1Hmm
20:18.34zenx1Im wondering whter to add 4 or 5 skills to my pvp map
20:18.51zenx14 would be kinda nice, but 5 could possibly add more utility skills
20:23.16Kuekenno idea
20:23.41zenx1I guess Ill just do some testing then :/
20:23.47Kuekendepends on your map, your heroes, your entire concept and ultimately your gut feeling :D
20:24.26zenx15 does seem a bit more than I would want thou :/
20:24.28zenx1mmmm
20:24.33zenx1cant decide :D
20:24.40Kuekenbtw thats your video currently featuret, right?
20:24.47Kuekenthe abilities are your style :)
20:24.49Kuekenoh
20:24.49zenx1yes
20:24.51Kuekenright
20:24.58Kuekenit says it in the headline
20:25.04Kueken>.<
20:25.07Kuekenblind me
20:25.44KuekenI like what you do with the unit animations, very matching, very smooth
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20:26.09Kuekenhowever you tend to spam visual effects a little too much for my taste
20:26.13zenx1yes...very limited resources with the animations so gotta be creative :D
20:26.19zenx1yea...I like to do that :D
20:26.31zenx1I can jsut say there are some flashy shit on later bosses
20:26.34zenx1thats the first boss
20:26.40Kueken:D
20:27.08Kuekenyou can do flashy without making it look so... "spammy"
20:27.16zenx1yea
20:27.20zenx1however
20:27.35zenx1the multiplayer experience also is a bit different from solo
20:27.48zenx1so I do kinda think its a bit overboard with 4 player spamming spells
20:27.50zenx1but oh well
20:27.58Kueken:)
20:28.12zenx1its good enough for me
20:28.31Kuekenwell, its a matter of taste anyway, and it is critique on a high level
20:28.36KuekenI would say
20:28.58Kuekendefinitely looks good :)
20:29.07zenx1And I still need to change the spells thou (working on that pvp)
20:29.24zenx1like the new system is "stuns but some spell can escape stuns"
20:29.32zenx1and like powerful spells have casting time
20:29.39zenx1some weird shit, dunno if its gona work
20:29.48KuekenI dont see why not
20:30.16zenx1since it would be nice to have that PvP endgame
20:30.26zenx1allthough that project is like eternity project
20:30.31zenx1might not get finished ever
20:30.45Kueken:p
20:30.52Kuekenlike all my projects
20:30.58zenx1hah
20:31.22zenx1well atleast you made the line wars
20:32.05KuekenI hardly supported it, and its far from finished
20:32.17Kuekennit sure, if its even playable with the current patch
20:32.22Kueken*not
20:32.35zenx1I wonder why it didnt have the wc3 feeling thou
20:32.41zenx1wc3 was so much fun
20:33.10Kuekenyeah, not sure as well
20:33.30Kuekenbut many WC3 remakes suffer from this
20:33.58zenx1well yea I guess its hard when you compare to the best of the best ^^
20:34.11zenx1funny enough
20:34.19zenx1even when I tried remaking my own wc3 maps
20:34.22zenx1they turned out worse :D
20:34.54zenx1Allthou
20:35.06zenx1Im still quite sure "jagged relic" was underpriciated on wc3
20:35.26KuekenI don't know it
20:35.33zenx1yea no wonder :/
20:35.38zenx1it wasnt that popular
20:35.47zenx1jsut some "1-time dungeon crawler"
20:35.53zenx1but I thought it was very nice
20:45.31MasterReYhey zenx
20:45.35zenx1hey
20:45.51MasterReYi saw you ended alpha testing :p
20:46.22MasterReYi was a bit disappointed that you wont continue for some time
20:46.27zenx1yes not much point to leave it there
20:46.42MasterReYdo you have any estimate on when you will release it (or start beta testing)?
20:46.43zenx1I would also like if people wouldnt get bored of it
20:46.57zenx1umm maybe like 12 months or so :D
20:47.02MasterReYsigh
20:47.08zenx1I will do pvp testing thou
20:47.21MasterReYyea i already assumed that
20:47.22MasterReY^^
20:49.58zenx1what even anoyes me I dont know how to fix the bugs too :D
20:50.06zenx1so cant even consdier adding more content
20:50.37zenx1the boss dissapearing is a real puzzling case :D
20:50.58zenx1I generally know what causes it but....gah...its pretty hard to fix :/
20:51.01zenx1in a natural way
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22:27.36Iiris_Frostomg, i really hate UI xml. i can't figure it out. I just wait for someone to make a visual UI editor. (if that ever happens)
22:29.17Vailrethomg im tired or reading you say that...
22:30.49Iiris_FrostI can't figure it out and Blizzard won't explain it.
22:31.57Vailreththe tutorial they linked is pretty comprehensive if you take the time to work with it.
22:32.23Vailrethi know i can follow it for external layout files
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22:33.14Iiris_Frostdidn't help any
22:36.31Vailrethhelps me lots
22:38.35Iiris_Frostdoesn't help how to get the custom layouts to actually change something in-game. I copy the code from another layout (say command card) into a new layout, edit values, nothing happens
22:40.47Vailrethits the same way you commit the xml changes and find the layout file in the Ui Custom Layout Files, atleast i believe so
22:41.02Vailreththey just removed and external text editor
22:51.03Iiris_FrostCreate a new layout, copy code from an existing layout (say command card) into the new layout, make changes (say make each slot bigger), test in-game to find no changes to the UI
22:51.44Blizz-ArtestruIiris_Frost, we've explained that those are not the correct steps.
22:52.14Blizz-ArtestruBoth the written and video tutorial do a better job of explaining how to work with UI than I can do in chat.
22:59.42Iiris_Frostno clue where he came up with the names
23:00.10Iiris_FrostUI editing needs blizzard documentation
23:00.34Blizz-ArtestruI agree with that, but it will take some time for us to get it out.
23:00.57VailrethBlizz-Artestru im sorry to say but the editor doesnt seem to like the / Character in frame names
23:00.58Blizz-ArtestruCan you link me to the video again?
23:01.29Iiris_Frostif blizzard even bothers with it. they never have in the past editors (SC1 and WC3)
23:01.42Iiris_FrostI don't have a link for it
23:01.52Vailrethdo not fight the people helping you man
23:02.24Vailrethhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/20323-ui-sc2layout-files-override-method-aiurchef-method/  is this it?
23:02.45Blizz-ArtestruThanks, the video tutorial is linked from there.
23:02.46Iiris_Frostthat written tutorial only applies to one UI element.
23:02.58Vailrethno it applies to all of them ...
23:03.05Blizz-ArtestruIiris, I'm going to watch the video tutorial right now.
23:03.16Vailrethif the editor could stand the / character there would be no problems
23:03.22Iiris_Frostdoesn't even say where the name came from
23:03.33Blizz-ArtestruIf you ask me a specific question about a part of the video you don't understand, I'll do my best to answer it.
23:03.43Blizz-ArtestruVailreth: I'll look into that.
23:03.50Vailreththanks
23:04.09Iiris_FrostThe video and written tutorial only talk about editing one UI element
23:04.23Vailrethbut its the same method for ALL of them
23:06.15Blizz-ArtestruOkay, Iiris:
23:06.20Blizz-ArtestruHere is how you get the name.
23:06.26Blizz-ArtestruFirst off, do you understand the basics of XML?
23:07.53Blizz-ArtestruIiris_Frost
23:08.04Iiris_Frostyea
23:08.20Blizz-ArtestruOkay
23:08.29Blizz-ArtestruSo you get how some elements are children of other elements?
23:08.35Blizz-ArtestruThere's a hierarchy
23:08.48Blizz-ArtestruThe name of a frame is the full path of the hierarchy.
23:09.03Blizz-ArtestruYou start with the outermost frame.
23:09.11Blizz-ArtestruAnd take the name.
23:09.17Blizz-ArtestruThen add a "/" character.
23:09.21Blizz-ArtestruThen go to the next name.
23:10.19Iiris_FrostHere is a test map i did, minimap didn't move
23:10.21Iiris_Frosthttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/6442151/UI%20XML%20Editor.SC2Map
23:11.03Blizz-ArtestruDo you have the UI Editor open?
23:11.26Iiris_Frostyea
23:11.46Blizz-ArtestruOkay, select the GameUI layout
23:11.54Blizz-ArtestruYou almost always want to start there.
23:12.10Blizz-ArtestruIn the XML, search for CommandPanel since that's what you want to change.
23:12.28Blizz-ArtestruDo you see the frame?
23:12.32Blizz-Artestrunamed CommandPanel?
23:12.40Iiris_FrostCommandPanel is separate from GameUI
23:13.02Blizz-ArtestruIn the GameUI layout file
23:13.05Blizz-ArtestruThere is an entry for CommandPanel
23:13.11Iiris_FrostCommandPanel is a whole separate layout file
23:13.11Blizz-Artestrufor where the CommandPanel should be displayed in the GameUI
23:13.18Blizz-ArtestruI understand, but that's not what you want.
23:13.36Blizz-ArtestruThis line exists about 10% down the file:
23:13.36Blizz-Artestru<Frame type="CommandPanel" name="CommandPanel" template="CommandPanel/CommandPanelTemplate">
23:13.38Iiris_FrostI don't see commandpanel in gameui layout
23:14.13Blizz-ArtestruIt's there. Try this:
23:14.15Blizz-ArtestruExpand GameUI
23:14.20Blizz-Artestruin the left pane
23:14.29Blizz-ArtestruThen expand UIContainer
23:14.33Blizz-ArtestruThen expand ConsoleUIContainer
23:14.37Blizz-ArtestruSelect it
23:14.39Blizz-ArtestruCommandPanel is listed there
23:15.13Iiris_Frosti see it
23:15.16Blizz-ArtestruGreat
23:15.17Iiris_Frostcan't edit it
23:15.25Blizz-ArtestruOf course not.
23:15.30Blizz-ArtestruWe're getting the name.
23:15.35Blizz-ArtestruHere is how you figure out the name:
23:15.41Blizz-ArtestruStarting with GameUI in that tree on the left
23:15.54Blizz-Artestruuse each name following the tree down
23:16.05Blizz-ArtestruIn this case, it will be: GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/CommandPanel
23:16.10Blizz-ArtestruDo you understand how I built that?
23:16.36Iiris_Frostok
23:16.44Blizz-ArtestruAlso, the file attribute is important
23:16.55Blizz-ArtestruThe file is the name fromt he white file icon in the tree
23:16.58Blizz-ArtestruIn this case, it's also GameUI
23:17.03Blizz-ArtestruSo the white icon is the file
23:17.10Blizz-ArtestruThe name is built by writing out the path of all green icons.
23:17.14Blizz-ArtestruDoes that make sense?
23:17.22Vailrethok ive nearrowed the bug down to the text entry box for when you are creating or renaming a frame.
23:17.32Blizz-ArtestruOne second Vail
23:17.34Blizz-ArtestruCan you PM it to me?
23:17.45Iiris_Frostok
23:17.48Blizz-ArtestruJust want to keep this window uncluttered.  We're making progress. :)
23:18.04Blizz-ArtestruSo now that you understand how to get the name and file
23:18.08Blizz-ArtestruYou should continue with the video tutorial
23:18.12Blizz-ArtestruIt is very good.
23:18.15Iiris_Frostso looks like you can only move the commandpanel and resize it
23:18.26Blizz-ArtestruYou can do more than just that
23:18.28Iiris_Frostsince those are the only values
23:18.30Blizz-ArtestruBut first
23:18.34Blizz-ArtestruDid you successfully move it?
23:19.32Iiris_Frosthow do I find the type of the frame?
23:20.20Blizz-ArtestruThe type is in the original entry.
23:20.27Blizz-ArtestruSo when you selected ControlPanel
23:20.34Blizz-ArtestruYou'll see in the XML the type is listed there.
23:20.39Blizz-Artestru<Frame type="CommandPanel" name="CommandPanel" template="CommandPanel/CommandPanelTemplate">
23:21.43Iiris_Frostso commandpanel
23:22.17Blizz-ArtestruCorrect
23:22.30Blizz-ArtestruThat will let you move and resize it at a start.
23:22.42Iiris_Frost:( it didn't move
23:22.50Blizz-ArtestruCan you paste your XML?
23:22.58Blizz-ArtestruAlso, did you get an error saying that it could not find the frame?
23:23.14Iiris_Frosti changed one of the anchors from bottom to top. nothing happened in-game
23:23.22Iiris_Frostno errors in-game
23:23.39Iiris_Frostpost it in chat?
23:23.43Iiris_Frostor pm?
23:24.21Blizz-ArtestruChat is fine
23:24.35Iiris_Frostok
23:24.41Iiris_Frost<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" standalone="yes"?>
23:24.43Iiris_Frost<Desc>
23:24.44Iiris_Frost<PROTECTED>
23:24.46Iiris_Frost<PROTECTED>
23:24.47Iiris_Frost<PROTECTED>
23:24.49Iiris_Frost<PROTECTED>
23:24.50Iiris_Frost<PROTECTED>
23:24.52Iiris_Frost<PROTECTED>
23:24.53Iiris_Frost</Desc>
23:24.56Blizz-Artestruokay two things
23:25.03Blizz-Artestru1. Don't use the template attribute. Remove that
23:25.07Blizz-Artestru2. You need to specify the file
23:25.18Blizz-Artestru<Frame type="CommandPanel" name="GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/CommandPanel" file="GameUI">
23:25.25Blizz-ArtestruTry that
23:26.51Iiris_Frostok it moved but to the wrong anchor. I said top anchor which is top of the screen and instead of being there it only moved down a little bit
23:27.04Blizz-ArtestruNope, top doesn't mean top of the screen.
23:27.07Blizz-ArtestruIt means top from its parent.
23:27.12Blizz-ArtestruIts parent is the ConsoleUIContainer
23:27.19Blizz-ArtestruDon't worry about anchors so much
23:27.22Blizz-ArtestruJust change the offset.
23:27.26Iiris_Frost[-_-}
23:27.33Blizz-ArtestruTry changing offset to like -200
23:28.09Iiris_Frostso command card anchors only to the console, rather limited
23:28.34Blizz-ArtestruIt can be changed, but that's more advanced.
23:28.45Iiris_Frost-200 made it move up a tiny bit
23:28.54Iiris_Frostnot much though
23:29.01Blizz-ArtestruOkay, but now you get the idea.
23:29.05Blizz-ArtestruYou can change that value
23:29.12Blizz-Artestruuntil you're happen with where it is
23:29.48Blizz-ArtestruSo, you want to rearrange the buttons next you said, correct?
23:30.27Iiris_Frostyea but only have options for 2 anchors and width and height in that item
23:30.38Blizz-ArtestruCorrect.
23:30.47Iiris_Frostso then i can't
23:30.53Blizz-ArtestruLet me type :)
23:31.07Blizz-ArtestruTo move the buttons, you need to redefine them in the same way you redefined the command panel.
23:31.22Blizz-ArtestruYou can find the buttons, in this case they live in the CommandPanel layout.
23:31.30Blizz-ArtestruAnd you can add them to the inside of your new CommandPanel that you created.
23:31.40Blizz-ArtestruStudy this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s-fhLc1Ekg&t=10m52s
23:31.46Blizz-ArtestruI fast-forwarded it to the important part.
23:31.57Blizz-ArtestruIt should start about 11 minutes in.
23:32.05Blizz-ArtestruHe does a similar thing to what you did for the command panel
23:32.09Blizz-Artestrubut he does it for each button
23:32.10Iiris_FrostI'm looking in the commandpanel but only see 4 values there
23:32.36Blizz-ArtestruPlease re-read what I just wrote.
23:33.17Blizz-ArtestruYou're going to end up redefining each button just like you redefined the command panel.
23:33.23Blizz-ArtestruThat video does it step by step.
23:33.30Blizz-ArtestruFollow along with it.  He does exactly what you want to do.
23:33.55Blizz-ArtestruI have to go now, but I'm very confident you can do this from here.
23:34.04Blizz-ArtestruJust watch the video.  If you get confused, watch it again.
23:34.38Blizz-ArtestruOh, one thing, I may have misinterpreted what you wrote above:
23:34.41Blizz-ArtestruThe CommandPanel layout
23:34.44Blizz-Artestruon the left tree
23:34.54Blizz-Artestruthere's a white icon near the top called ComandPanel
23:34.57Blizz-ArtestruCommandPanel
23:35.02Blizz-Artestrunot the one inside GameUI
23:35.07Blizz-Artestruthere's a separate one
23:35.14Blizz-ArtestruThat's where the details of the CommandPanel are defined.
23:35.22Blizz-ArtestruYou are going to redefine those details.
23:35.27Blizz-ArtestruUsing the instructions from the video.
23:40.39Iiris_Frostgrrr, i hate when ppl with sound so low on the video that you can't hear them
23:40.50Iiris_Frosteven at max sound volume
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