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| 00:20.08 | QueenG | Hello |
| 00:25.42 | CryptRat | hai hai |
| 00:26.46 | QueenG | If there is anyone interested in creating a map, let me know I have a project that needs to be done. I am also willing to pay for the services. |
| 00:31.38 | A1win | that's a bit vague o: |
| 00:32.35 | QueenG | well im not going to write up a big report here |
| 00:32.42 | QueenG | the person will have to contact me to learn more |
| 00:33.40 | Creation25 | Hey QueenG |
| 00:34.06 | QueenG | hey creation25 |
| 00:34.11 | QueenG | is that u ryan? |
| 00:34.21 | A1win | I wasn't asking for a big report, "a map" just is very far from that :P |
| 00:35.07 | Creation25 | Yeah. hi |
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| 01:53.41 | Taintedwisp | ahhh... |
| 02:10.25 | Taintedwisp | hey anyone here who is GOOD with the data editor, I have a question, People were saying something about texture swap by id... does that still work or was it broken? |
| 02:11.06 | A1win | well the dark protoss use it in the campaign |
| 02:11.28 | A1win | and I assume that still works ;p |
| 02:14.07 | Taintedwisp | Actually Dark Protoss is a Trigger effect I think :P |
| 02:14.12 | Taintedwisp | They are seperate models |
| 02:16.37 | A1win | some aren't |
| 02:17.04 | A1win | some of the buildings at least just swap textures |
| 02:18.25 | Taintedwisp | you sure? |
| 02:18.31 | Taintedwisp | I know I saw all the units. |
| 02:18.51 | A1win | check gateway |
| 02:50.34 | Taintedwisp | yeah,,, it doesnt seem to be working |
| 02:50.52 | A1win | oh right it doesn't show in the editor |
| 02:50.55 | A1win | it works in-game |
| 02:51.12 | A1win | didn't remember until now |
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| 03:24.56 | Barrin | hi friends :> |
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| 05:16.11 | Psyballa | hi everyone : |
| 05:16.12 | Psyballa | :) |
| 05:16.31 | Psyballa | i was wondering if anyone could help me in creating a first person camera |
| 05:17.09 | Psyballa | currently i have a third person camera that follows behind a unit in the direction it's facing, but any time i try to set the distance from the camera to the unit to 0.0, the cameraends up just going to the bottom of the unit and through the map |
| 05:21.05 | Skizot | that's because the UNIT is at 0.0 |
| 05:21.31 | Skizot | always is. |
| 05:21.31 | Skizot | you have to offset it to match the units height. |
| 05:21.31 | Skizot | x and y should be 0 |
| 05:21.33 | Skizot | z should be the unit highet offset |
| 05:22.11 | Psyballa | so unit z = 0.0 always |
| 05:22.22 | Skizot | yes |
| 05:22.24 | Psyballa | but when i tell it to offset by the given unit's height, nothing happens |
| 05:22.27 | Skizot | well maybe not flyers/ |
| 05:22.44 | Skizot | but all ground units have a height of z. |
| 05:22.49 | Skizot | err 0 |
| 05:22.59 | Skizot | you have to put it in manually. |
| 05:23.05 | Skizot | i THINK marines are .35 |
| 05:23.15 | Skizot | or similar. |
| 05:23.56 | Psyballa | ah, so you can't just say, "Apply camera object Height Offset (Height of Colossus[x, y]) for player 1.." |
| 05:24.07 | Psyballa | you actually have to know the given unit's height |
| 05:24.27 | Skizot | yup |
| 05:24.38 | Skizot | because the units height is.. you guessed.. ZERO! |
| 05:24.51 | Psyballa | but why though |
| 05:24.58 | Skizot | blizzard is lazy |
| 05:24.58 | Psyballa | the colossus is obviously not height zero |
| 05:25.06 | Psyballa | :( well thank you |
| 05:25.18 | A1win | height is the height at which the unit is, not the height "of" the unit |
| 05:25.36 | A1win | air units have non-zero height |
| 05:25.40 | Psyballa | ohh |
| 05:25.52 | Psyballa | so is there a way to pull the actual height of the unit's model? |
| 05:26.00 | A1win | there's also a "vision height" setting somewhere that defines how high up the unit can see over cliffs |
| 05:26.01 | Skizot | nope |
| 05:26.05 | A1win | no |
| 05:26.08 | Psyballa | sad day |
| 05:26.11 | A1win | models are just art |
| 05:26.15 | Psyballa | that makes abstract data structures that need this impossible |
| 05:27.16 | Skizot | hah again, blizzard is lazy |
| 05:27.30 | A1win | I wonder if you could use an effect at a unit's overhead point and grab that with a trigger |
| 05:27.39 | A1win | *overhead attachment point |
| 05:27.43 | Skizot | i asked back in BETA for them to put a "model Height" option that has the actual height of the model in it.. they said it was "unnecessary" |
| 05:27.56 | A1win | but it probably wouldn't give you a 3D point so dunno... |
| 05:28.08 | A1win | hehe ;p |
| 05:28.39 | Skizot | he COULD set the camera to the the "head" attachment point. |
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| 05:29.33 | A1win | yeah but I don't know if you can somehow turn an attachment point into a 3D point for triggers |
| 05:30.17 | Psyballa | What is the "head" attachment point?" |
| 05:30.28 | A1win | unit actors have attachment points |
| 05:30.46 | A1win | like center, origin, weapons, head, overhead... some extra for some, etc |
| 05:30.50 | A1win | to attach other actors into |
| 05:31.50 | A1win | ooh, there is a function |
| 05:31.54 | A1win | Unit Attachment Point |
| 05:33.31 | Skizot | :P |
| 05:34.14 | A1win | I'll test if you can get its height |
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| 05:39.22 | Psyballa | bah now the unit is in the way of the camera, fml |
| 05:40.36 | A1win | 00:00:00.25 Scri: Trigger Error in 'gt_Initialization_Func': Could not get 'p' from parameter in 'PointGetHeight' (value: 65535) Near line 39 in gt_Initialization_Func() in MapScript.galaxy |
| 05:41.02 | A1win | not sure if I'm using this right |
| 05:41.34 | Psyballa | lol |
| 05:41.46 | A1win | but it might be just that the point does not have a height defined |
| 05:43.02 | A1win | Psyballa, what exactly are you trying to do? do you need the camera to work for a lot of different units or just one? |
| 05:44.52 | A1win | yeah I guess you need it for more based on what you talked about earlier... |
| 05:45.21 | A1win | the attachment point was my only guess but it didn't seem to work, so I'm out of ideas |
| 05:45.35 | Psyballa | I'm trying to make it so that the camera will be able to switch from the general top-down view that people are used to seeing in most Starcraft matches to different views |
| 05:45.44 | A1win | you'll probably need to define the height for each unit type manually |
| 05:45.47 | Psyballa | for example, if a colossus pops out I want it to switch to the first person view of the colossus |
| 05:46.05 | Psyballa | Or if there's a huge group of marines I want it to follow behind the marines |
| 05:46.14 | Psyballa | I recognize that TPS is a lot easier than FPS in this engine |
| 05:46.21 | A1win | mm |
| 05:46.33 | A1win | there is no 0 distance camera at all |
| 05:46.48 | A1win | you can only set the distance very close to 0 |
| 05:46.52 | A1win | I think |
| 05:47.16 | Psyballa | yeah but even then the unit gets in the way of the camera |
| 05:47.36 | A1win | what do you mean? |
| 05:47.44 | Psyballa | I can see the camera clipping inside of the unit |
| 05:47.45 | A1win | do you want to hide the unit? |
| 05:47.54 | Psyballa | kind of |
| 05:48.04 | Psyballa | i want this to only be viewed by people who are watching the game |
| 05:48.07 | A1win | is this a multiplayer map? |
| 05:48.08 | Psyballa | not those actually playing it |
| 05:48.10 | Psyballa | yes |
| 05:48.22 | A1win | there is a way to do player specific actor messages but it's a bit tricky |
| 05:48.25 | Psyballa | this is a 1v1 map with a focus on cinematography |
| 05:48.35 | A1win | so you *can* hide it for just the player who has that camera mode |
| 05:48.40 | Psyballa | think 1v1 obs with a smart cam |
| 05:48.42 | A1win | and then show it again when he stops that mode |
| 05:48.59 | Psyballa | i realized |
| 05:49.04 | Psyballa | but in a multiplayer map that is near impossible |
| 05:49.13 | A1win | it's not |
| 05:49.24 | Psyballa | wouldn't it become invisible for every player that was watching it? |
| 05:49.41 | A1win | I just told you :P |
| 05:49.47 | A1win | there is a way to send player specific actor messages |
| 05:49.53 | A1win | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/19371-tutorial-trigger-data-show-hide-destroy-any-given-actor/ |
| 05:50.04 | Psyballa | AH |
| 05:50.07 | A1win | I used that to apply a player specific Halo on units via triggers |
| 05:50.22 | Psyballa | but is this useful for multiplayer spectating? |
| 05:50.47 | A1win | if you can reference that player in triggers, I'm not sure how spectators work |
| 05:51.12 | A1win | well you could just pick every player you *don't* want to hide it, and hide it for everyone else but those players |
| 05:51.25 | A1win | so I'd guess it'd work |
| 05:51.46 | A1win | that tutorial is a bit "hacky" but it does work |
| 05:52.40 | A1win | it uses the Lock Flyer Helper Display function to get a reference of an actor and uses it to do player specific actor messages |
| 05:52.47 | Psyballa | hmm |
| 05:52.55 | Psyballa | i don't even know how to access everyone that's NOT playing |
| 05:52.58 | Psyballa | i have tried doing this before |
| 05:53.09 | Psyballa | but every time i try to reference a player that ISN'T player 1 or player 2 nothing happens |
| 05:53.31 | A1win | PlayerGroupVariable = all players, remove player 1, remove player 2 ? |
| 05:53.39 | A1win | if that doesn't work then I don't know o: |
| 05:53.55 | A1win | I haven't looked into referencing spectators at all |
| 05:55.43 | A1win | but I think I've seen some spectator related stuff around, no idea what exactly can be done with them |
| 05:56.27 | A1win | umm |
| 05:56.43 | A1win | why not just put the camera in front of the unit instead of inside it? ;p |
| 05:57.47 | A1win | can't use the "lock camera to unit" thingy but it's possible with some trickery |
| 06:02.29 | A1win | uff anyway it's 9 am, I think I'll sleep for a bit :X |
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| 06:37.27 | Psyballa | night a1win thanks for the help ^_^ |
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| 08:05.23 | Kueken | hey |
| 08:06.44 | Kueken | does anyone happen to know, why post-patch most attached models refuse to move with their host model's attachment points, while standing still? |
| 08:06.53 | Kueken | and more importantly, how to fix it? |
| 08:10.50 | Kueken | when using rotation or local offset site operations, I mean |
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| 08:19.42 | Kueken | Blizz-Deletarius maybe? |
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| 09:06.22 | hobbidude | hey fockewulf |
| 09:06.33 | hobbidude | i here your trying to get in tough lol |
| 09:50.16 | Kueken | if you add an event macro to an event macro, then add that event macro to another actor, it doesn't get the events from the first event macro :/ |
| 10:00.47 | hobbidude | say waaaaa... |
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| 10:25.53 | grim001 | hi |
| 10:26.24 | grim001 | Kueken you were one of the ones that used galaxy++/andromeda right? |
| 10:26.33 | Kueken | yes |
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| 10:47.58 | grim001 | kueken, ever done any java development or other languages? |
| 10:59.29 | Kueken | hardly |
| 11:00.03 | Kueken | some very basic java at school, some c, looked at c++ and python |
| 11:00.19 | Kueken | but no real development |
| 11:00.45 | Kueken | mostly (v)jass, zinc and galaxy(++) |
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| 11:22.55 | grim001 | Kueken, cosmos has gotten decently far along now |
| 11:23.10 | Kueken | :) |
| 11:23.26 | grim001 | people are starting to rally and collaborate on the project |
| 11:24.16 | Kueken | cout me in as a tester |
| 11:25.17 | grim001 | I will need to take at least a 1 month break from development while I move, and give my fingers some time to rest |
| 11:25.29 | grim001 | but it will give other people time to catch up working on the IDE and whatever else |
| 11:26.02 | NickG365 | " |
| 11:27.00 | grim001 | the code base is strong, but it isn't testable and a standalone sense yet. |
| 11:34.56 | grim001 | so far it consists of 123 .java files and nearly 5k loc |
| 11:35.14 | grim001 | probably bigger than galaxy++ although it hardly does anything yet. |
| 11:36.22 | grim001 | although, that just goes to show the size of code base necessary to make it robust/stable/extensible |
| 11:37.37 | grim001 | looking at galaxy++'s source it is hard to believe it has so few classes related to the actual compiler. |
| 11:38.00 | grim001 | although the files tend to have hundreds of lines each. |
| 11:38.18 | grim001 | I think my "average" class length is like 36 lines. |
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| 11:49.16 | Ahli | can I teach a structure to spawn not in a 1x1 field? |
| 11:49.36 | Ahli | I would like to create a 0.5x0.5 grid of structures |
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| 12:22.14 | Ahli | sooo... my map works on half its scale... just the dungeon walls and doodads can't be created in that scale because they spawn in a 1x1 grid with a footprint :X |
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| 13:21.12 | TheSkunk__ | More spam bots on sc2mapster, yay |
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| 13:59.38 | Fate | hi all |
| 14:01.48 | duckyy | hi fate |
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| 14:09.32 | zenx1 | pffff |
| 14:09.40 | zenx1 | again need to redo spells :( |
| 14:09.47 | zenx1 | cause I got these awesome dieas |
| 14:10.56 | zenx1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_sq77nBus4&feature=related |
| 14:11.04 | zenx1 | mapping while watching these crazy americans |
| 14:11.15 | zenx1 | war war war :/ |
| 14:12.00 | zenx1 | hmmmmmm |
| 14:12.06 | zenx1 | Blizz-Deletarius: there? |
| 14:12.18 | TheSkunk__ | Doubtfully, usually come about an hour later then this |
| 14:12.21 | TheSkunk__ | Also, Hi |
| 14:16.45 | zenx1 | well fuc this |
| 14:16.53 | zenx1 | my locales again fucked up somehow |
| 14:17.25 | zenx1 | like |
| 14:17.33 | zenx1 | previosly I had variables named properly |
| 14:17.40 | zenx1 | now they are not eve nnamed anytjhing at all |
| 14:17.47 | zenx1 | cant even save the map if I dont rename them |
| 14:17.59 | Ahli | I know that problem ;S |
| 14:18.06 | zenx1 | any fix? |
| 14:18.15 | zenx1 | I havent encountered this for a while |
| 14:18.18 | zenx1 | but now its back :( |
| 14:18.22 | Ahli | does your map have multiple locales? |
| 14:18.28 | zenx1 | no |
| 14:19.03 | Ahli | I only got that problem when I switch locales due to forgetting to switch the locale at the start. then you switch |
| 14:19.27 | Ahli | and all triggers etc are named ok after that. but when you load the map again it's all gone |
| 14:19.28 | zenx1 | the wierd thing is I last encountered this when switched from beta |
| 14:19.33 | zenx1 | but wtf now its back? |
| 14:20.08 | Ahli | I only have that when I wasn't using the editor's default locale in my map and forget to switch it after starting |
| 14:20.42 | zenx1 | and its pretty random too |
| 14:20.47 | Ahli | but now I use enUS for everything |
| 14:20.53 | zenx1 | it only wiped like 3 triggers names |
| 14:21.25 | zenx1 | maybe it got corrupted or something last time I opened editor :/ |
| 14:24.54 | zenx1 | got me angry thou |
| 14:25.06 | zenx1 | so anoying when it works fine and one day it doesnt |
| 14:26.48 | zenx1 | FFFUUUK |
| 14:26.53 | zenx1 | it fucked up more than expected |
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| 14:57.57 | Blizz-Artestru | Morning all |
| 14:58.47 | zenx1 | evening |
| 15:06.58 | Dogmai | sup |
| 15:07.11 | zenx1 | muahahha it works |
| 15:07.20 | Dogmai | hey Blizz-Artestru, do sc2 developers talk to d3 developers |
| 15:07.32 | zenx1 | NO |
| 15:07.35 | zenx1 | d3 sucks |
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| 15:10.15 | Dogmai | do you ever get tired of being an ass zenx1 |
| 15:10.44 | zenx1 | very rarely |
| 15:11.50 | zenx1 | do you always get boner when talking about tofu? |
| 15:11.51 | zenx1 | :D |
| 15:13.08 | Dogmai | i relate things when i explain things |
| 15:13.32 | Dogmai | give me a better example to use and i will gladly use it |
| 15:14.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | morning party people |
| 15:14.15 | zenx1 | so was the tofu released yet? |
| 15:14.39 | Dogmai | no |
| 15:14.41 | Dogmai | ive been tired |
| 15:14.50 | Dogmai | and dryeyece is in the path of the hurricane |
| 15:14.52 | Dogmai | go figure |
| 15:16.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | we do talk to d3 devs, why? |
| 15:16.23 | Blizz-Deletarius | they're good people |
| 15:16.33 | zenx1 | even jay wilson? :D |
| 15:16.38 | zenx1 | mr "fuck you" ^^ |
| 15:16.42 | Blizz-Deletarius | I haven't talked to him personally, no |
| 15:17.40 | zenx1 | have you ever considered bringing bnet developers here |
| 15:17.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | into the irc? |
| 15:17.55 | zenx1 | yes |
| 15:18.09 | zenx1 | my awesome suggestions dont end to the editor |
| 15:18.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | :) |
| 15:18.20 | Dogmai | Well, I came up with an idea |
| 15:18.32 | Dogmai | To do with Flags |
| 15:18.37 | Dogmai | But you know how useless the forums are |
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| 15:18.49 | Hobrow | hello |
| 15:18.50 | Blizz-Deletarius | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6307501153 |
| 15:19.04 | Blizz-Deletarius | I wouldn't say they're useless at all |
| 15:19.23 | Dogmai | I meant the Diablo III General forums |
| 15:19.38 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh, this is d3 we're talking abou now |
| 15:19.46 | zenx1 | hah |
| 15:20.01 | Dogmai | Indeed, the Sc2 Custom forums are small enough that you can read the posts |
| 15:20.02 | G0A | US forums for US guys, nobody reads EU forums... |
| 15:20.08 | Dogmai | But the D3 General Forums are well ... /b/ |
| 15:20.23 | zenx1 | well lets hear what you would improve then |
| 15:20.34 | zenx1 | since i expect you to have some ideas |
| 15:20.41 | zenx1 | for bringhing that up |
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| 15:21.03 | Dogmai | Indeed, I have many ideas, but only one that hasn't been mentioned before by someone else |
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| 15:21.11 | hobbidude | lol |
| 15:21.20 | FockeWulf | Hey are one of the Blizz guys anymore? |
| 15:21.27 | Dogmai | So I started running Act 3, and there are very few checkpoints, which means if I die, I usually end up running 1 minute to go back where I was and get 1 hit again |
| 15:21.28 | FockeWulf | I have a question on something undocumented |
| 15:21.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | Artestru and I are here |
| 15:21.46 | FockeWulf | ok |
| 15:21.58 | FockeWulf | Well I'm helping hobbidude here |
| 15:21.59 | hobbidude | i got a seperate question to |
| 15:21.59 | FockeWulf | with his map |
| 15:22.05 | Dogmai | Why cannot I plant my flag in the ground and use that as a revive point if it is clear of creeps? |
| 15:22.07 | FockeWulf | and we want to tint missile actors by teamcolor |
| 15:22.27 | Dogmai | http://www.dogmai.org/act3faildesign1.jpg |
| 15:22.29 | FockeWulf | so I'm trying to get it to detect either a behavior on the casting unit or an upgrade for the player |
| 15:22.30 | Dogmai | http://www.dogmai.org/act3faildesign2.jpg |
| 15:22.42 | zenx1 | Does the flag even do anything btw? |
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| 15:22.53 | Dogmai | No |
| 15:23.00 | Dogmai | It does not do anything |
| 15:23.03 | FockeWulf | But the term "validate unit" and "validate player" is/are not doing what I thought they would do. |
| 15:23.19 | Dogmai | I wrote a thread when I was in a bad mood |
| 15:23.21 | zenx1 | I think it could possibly be abused if you would revive onj the flag |
| 15:23.23 | zenx1 | allthou |
| 15:23.26 | FockeWulf | I've never made them work before. |
| 15:23.30 | zenx1 | you now jsut have to lure them to waypoint |
| 15:23.32 | zenx1 | so dunno |
| 15:23.34 | Dogmai | It has to be clear of creeps to revive you |
| 15:23.42 | Dogmai | Otherwise you default back to the checkpoint |
| 15:23.59 | Bommes | Hello |
| 15:24.25 | zenx1 | hi |
| 15:24.32 | Dogmai | I am at the stage now where every single piece of upgrade for me is over 50million a piece |
| 15:24.37 | FockeWulf | So I guess the question is how would I make that work |
| 15:24.38 | hobbidude | any word from blizz? |
| 15:24.38 | FockeWulf | ? |
| 15:24.45 | FockeWulf | Nah not yet at least. |
| 15:25.00 | Dogmai | I am getting very depressed very fast playing Diablo III ... because of numerous reasons ... drop rate, lack of upgrades, amongst them |
| 15:25.06 | Blizz-Deletarius | Focke/Hobbi |
| 15:25.11 | FockeWulf | IDK this one would probably have to be refernced to their actor coder |
| 15:25.25 | zenx1 | most of people just quit when they are bored |
| 15:25.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | could you please post the question on the blizz custom map forums so that we can point it out to someone that could help you out in getting an answer? |
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| 15:26.16 | FockeWulf | ok |
| 15:26.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | Dogmai, as far as d3 goes, I feel as though it's just fine - very much the same as D2 personally |
| 15:26.37 | G0A | and one of you could ask if Blizz will ever add Bnet time and date detection for custom maps? |
| 15:26.51 | Blizz-Deletarius | because as far as I remember, the amount of times when you got a KILLER drop or an upgrade from a baal run was VERY low |
| 15:27.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | then again I didn't do MF'ing much in d2 |
| 15:27.37 | hobbidude | hey blizz anyway to changes the height on a air blocker? |
| 15:27.45 | Dogmai | They nerfed it ... |
| 15:27.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | I was lucky to get an upgrade once ever 4-5 days doing 20-40+ baal runs a day |
| 15:27.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | every* |
| 15:27.56 | Bommes | Hmm, I'm just wondering whether or not having too many actor events with the term "ValidateUnitType" affects the performance of my map... |
| 15:28.00 | Dogmai | Before the nerfs, Meph runs, I was cleaning up |
| 15:28.03 | zenx1 | BTW |
| 15:28.25 | Bommes | As in having an Event Macro with a list of Actor Events that use this term and adding this macro to various units |
| 15:28.26 | zenx1 | Blizz-Deletarius: Im having anoying issues with not detecting areas where you cannot get |
| 15:28.38 | Blizz-Deletarius | by cannot get, what do you mean? |
| 15:28.41 | zenx1 | I feel like pathing blockers dont work properly if you check pathing =! 6253565 |
| 15:28.47 | zenx1 | or whatever the number is |
| 15:28.48 | Dogmai | Btw, did you get a reponse about the minimap bug that we are experiencing in Tofu? |
| 15:28.58 | Blizz-Deletarius | 65535? |
| 15:29.08 | zenx1 | yes I gues thatsit |
| 15:29.08 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes actually |
| 15:29.12 | zenx1 | what ever is 256*256 |
| 15:29.21 | Blizz-Deletarius | let me find the email real fast |
| 15:29.26 | zenx1 | LET ME TELL |
| 15:29.37 | zenx1 | if one of the points is in the pathing blocker |
| 15:29.38 | zenx1 | test that |
| 15:29.59 | zenx1 | actually its more like |
| 15:30.02 | zenx1 | I might take a picture |
| 15:30.06 | Blizz-Deletarius | "From the screenshot it just looks like a missing texture, although as far as I know we don’t remove/rename textures once they’re on retail. It seems like it’s just a bug, but whether it’s on the code side or the map side I can’t say without a repro case. We didn’t intentionally break any functionality and I can’t think of anything I added that would have caused this behavior. " |
| 15:30.07 | FockeWulf | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6412494625#1 |
| 15:30.13 | FockeWulf | Deletarius |
| 15:30.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | thanks sir |
| 15:30.23 | Blizz-Deletarius | I'll pass it along |
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| 15:30.32 | FockeWulf | can i see the pic? |
| 15:30.35 | FockeWulf | i may know what happeneed |
| 15:30.50 | Dogmai | Let me open up the mod and take a look at what dryeyece has done |
| 15:31.12 | TheSkunk__ | back |
| 15:31.18 | TheSkunk__ | did I miss anything exciting? |
| 15:31.45 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok Focke, I sent it out |
| 15:32.43 | FockeWulf | thank you! |
| 15:32.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | of course :) |
| 15:33.04 | Dogmai | I just took a look at the Mod and it is fine |
| 15:33.10 | Dogmai | FieldPowerups - Powerup Shield Spawner |
| 15:33.11 | Dogmai | UI: Minimap Icondgm_minimap_shield.tga |
| 15:33.37 | Dogmai | They disappear when you have vision of the unit, ie - being invisible - and display the big white box when you are out of range |
| 15:34.02 | Dogmai | As Dry said, he hasn't touched these particular things since before 1.4 when it happened. |
| 15:34.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | not sure :( |
| 15:35.35 | Vailreth | hello all |
| 15:35.44 | TheSkunk__ | Hello Vail |
| 15:35.46 | Kueken | hey |
| 15:35.53 | Dogmai | So where do we go from here |
| 15:36.14 | Kueken | any way to put event macros in another event macro and make that work? |
| 15:36.15 | Dogmai | Because given the rest of the polish, having big white squares on the minimap kinds distracts the eye |
| 15:36.54 | Bommes | @Kueken :D it doesn't? |
| 15:37.04 | Helral | meows |
| 15:37.31 | Kueken | nope, adding the macro holding the other macros does not add any event to the main actor |
| 15:38.00 | Kueken | would be great for organizational purposes |
| 15:38.33 | Kueken | oh, and whats up with malfunctioning attachments post-patch? |
| 15:38.40 | Kueken | they are all over the place |
| 15:39.01 | Kueken | if you use offsets and explicit rotations |
| 15:39.18 | Vailreth | i was so close to what i wanted to do but i eventually gave up on using two actor units so i could have a turret face the mouse cursor while the mainbody faced elsewhere |
| 15:39.49 | Dogmai | Also, is there any way to tint a minimap icon, or change it on the fly, using the trigger editor? Blizz-Deletarius? |
| 15:41.07 | Kueken | Bommes: About your event macro |
| 15:41.15 | Kueken | and the validator terms |
| 15:41.22 | Kueken | what exactly do you use them for? |
| 15:41.39 | Bommes | Im changing a texture for a period of time |
| 15:41.43 | Bommes | to a white texture |
| 15:41.47 | Bommes | as a damage indicator |
| 15:41.48 | Bommes | and depeding on the unit |
| 15:41.51 | Bommes | i want to change the texture back |
| 15:41.56 | Bommes | *depending |
| 15:42.01 | Bommes | well I'm doing it |
| 15:42.03 | Bommes | but I don't know |
| 15:42.12 | Bommes | if it gets messy from a performance standpoint at some point |
| 15:43.16 | Kueken | so texture changes when receiving damage |
| 15:43.37 | Bommes | yeah |
| 15:43.40 | Bommes | and I think |
| 15:43.46 | Kueken | and after some time it validates a ton of units |
| 15:44.18 | Kueken | and reverts the texture if the current unit is one of them |
| 15:44.19 | Bommes | I'll just change it |
| 15:44.29 | Bommes | exactly |
| 15:44.37 | Bommes | but I'm not sure why I did it like that in the first place |
| 15:45.04 | Bommes | but it is possible that the Timer Expired event doesn't fire properly if the timer was set in a macro? I don't think thats the case, is it? |
| 15:45.19 | Kueken | well, I made the experience, that the game can support a shitload of validations like that and don't even notice it, but its still not optimal, probably ;) |
| 15:45.40 | Kueken | no, event macros by themselves work just fine |
| 15:45.55 | Kueken | my problem is with macros holding other macros |
| 15:45.59 | Helral | Stuff done in the data editor is faster then stuff done with triggers. |
| 15:46.18 | Bommes | I mean in particular the Timer Set action is used in the macro |
| 15:46.28 | Bommes | and the Timer Expired event is set up in the specific actor |
| 15:46.35 | Kueken | thats fine |
| 15:46.39 | Bommes | kk good :) |
| 15:47.11 | Bommes | then I'll just change it |
| 15:47.25 | Kueken | yeah, that should render the validation obsolete |
| 15:48.53 | Bommes | I guess if the macros holding other macros doesn't work by default it will be pretty hard to get it work :/ |
| 15:48.55 | Bommes | sadly |
| 15:48.56 | Bommes | but I don't know |
| 15:49.11 | Vailreth | what should render the validaton obsolete? i have a polymoroph like ability and i would love to not need to validate for every unit it could effect? |
| 15:50.39 | Bommes | He was talking about my stupid way of doing things with Event Macros |
| 15:50.40 | Bommes | I think :D |
| 15:52.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | hey Focke, check that thread, you've got a reply |
| 15:54.25 | Bommes | I like Tyrran |
| 15:54.30 | Bommes | He should come in here! |
| 15:55.45 | Blizz-Deletarius | he's a bit busy atm, but, maybe in time |
| 15:56.24 | Bommes | ;) being busy is also good, don't want to distract anyone from work |
| 15:56.40 | Bommes | especially if its work done for us |
| 15:56.51 | Bommes | at least partly |
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| 15:59.06 | Kueken | Bommes: You know you can make an actor send an actor message to the unit actor right? |
| 15:59.30 | Kueken | so you can use a behavior, create a new actor for that and make that actor alter the unit |
| 16:00.00 | Vailreth | i have a hero in the works who has a weapon that places behaviors on the target that deal initial damage and if the two units get far enough apart the behaviors die and have an explosion |
| 16:01.05 | Kueken | ...and it works? ;) |
| 16:01.13 | Vailreth | yes. |
| 16:01.27 | Kueken | :) |
| 16:01.48 | Vailreth | but you were just talking about Simple actors were you not? |
| 16:02.09 | Helral | FockeWulf: had any luck with logging in today? |
| 16:02.18 | Kueken | I use invisible model actors for that, the simple actors wouldn't work for me |
| 16:02.33 | Vailreth | why so? |
| 16:02.47 | Kueken | no idea, they refused to send their messages |
| 16:02.56 | Kueken | while the model actor with the same events id |
| 16:02.58 | Kueken | *did |
| 16:03.09 | Vailreth | strange |
| 16:03.49 | Kueken | Blizz-Deletarius: Putting an event macro in another event macro doesn't work |
| 16:03.53 | Kueken | is that intended? |
| 16:04.04 | Bommes | Kueken: That is actually something I never thought about |
| 16:04.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | Yo dawg... |
| 16:04.13 | Bommes | quite useful indeed |
| 16:04.37 | Kueken | hm |
| 16:04.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | I heard you liked event macros, so we put an event macro in your event macro so you could macro your macro |
| 16:04.45 | Bommes | I think I have to unclutter some of my actors :D |
| 16:04.50 | Bommes | *actor events |
| 16:04.51 | zenx1 | god damn memes |
| 16:04.53 | zenx1 | FFFFUUUUUU |
| 16:05.02 | Kueken | well, how do I interpret that answer? :) |
| 16:05.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh, that wasn't an answer |
| 16:05.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | merely a statement |
| 16:05.48 | Vailreth | Kueken: were you using _Unit in the target field for the event actions? |
| 16:05.48 | Kueken | too bad :) |
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| 16:05.50 | Vailreth | in you simple actor? |
| 16:05.59 | Kueken | _Unit, _Selectable, ::Main... I tried some |
| 16:06.14 | Vailreth | must have been a bug at the time. |
| 16:06.21 | Kueken | okay, I try again |
| 16:06.40 | Vailreth | either that or the editor hates you |
| 16:07.05 | Kueken | so Deletarius, I interpret your statement as "I don't know, and if I would tell you, I'd have to kill you" |
| 16:07.43 | Kueken | Vailreth: Well, that is a fact anyway ;) |
| 16:07.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | more along the lines of, I'm unsure, and I don't want to give you an incorrect answer which would lead you further down the paths of despair |
| 16:07.57 | Kueken | yes, thats what I meant |
| 16:08.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's also early, so, not enough people are around who WOULD know |
| 16:08.12 | Blizz-Deletarius | for sure that is |
| 16:09.08 | zenx1 | how many people are you there working with the editor stuff? |
| 16:09.29 | Vailreth | not enough and too many ...>.> |
| 16:10.07 | Kueken | Also, you don't happen to know, why a lot of models are messing up when used with local offset or explicit rotation site operations post-patch, right? |
| 16:10.27 | Kueken | I hate having to intersect dummy models everywhere |
| 16:10.38 | Vailreth | how are they messing up it may be releated to my issue |
| 16:12.04 | Kueken | well, many models don't move with the attachment points, when the base unit is standing still and the attachment points move in an idle animation |
| 16:12.50 | Kueken | the attachments are frozen in place, while the base unit performs an idle animation |
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| 16:13.04 | Bommes | I also had problems with attachments on turrets |
| 16:13.12 | Bommes | and not moving with the turret |
| 16:13.12 | Kueken | but when the unit moves there is no problem |
| 16:13.16 | Bommes | if the unit is standing still |
| 16:13.36 | Kueken | Vailreth: simple works now :) |
| 16:14.28 | Vailreth | my issue is that i can attach two actors together and get the attached to face the mouse but when i add any siteops they override the rotation trigger |
| 16:14.57 | Kueken | I made a data-only prototype for that recently |
| 16:15.06 | Kueken | not sure, if it is useable at all, though |
| 16:16.10 | Vailreth | yeah i created a way of making mutiple addons that buff the host structure and the buffs die when the "addon" is destroyed. |
| 16:16.42 | Vailreth | how ever later i learned making a new addon construction ability can do the same ... |
| 16:17.03 | Kueken | can't you just use an invisible base model which is turning, then attach the desired model with the desired site operation? |
| 16:17.54 | Vailreth | that might work |
| 16:20.08 | FockeWulf | Hey Deletarious? |
| 16:20.28 | FockeWulf | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6412494625#new-post |
| 16:20.57 | FockeWulf | I'm not sure Tyrran quite understood what I'm trying to do. |
| 16:21.33 | Kueken | he certainly didn't offer a solution :) |
| 16:23.50 | TheSkunk__ | Well, now that he has his attention on the thread, you might just be able to reply back and he'll see it |
| 16:24.03 | FockeWulf | I just did lol |
| 16:24.19 | FockeWulf | People have been trying to do this for quite some time lol |
| 16:24.24 | TheSkunk__ | ah! I had refreshed and checked but I guess I did it just before |
| 16:24.25 | Helral | hmmmm he explained how the validate player/unit events work. |
| 16:24.37 | FockeWulf | I wonder why he didn't say anything about validate player |
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| 16:24.55 | Helral | last paragraph of his reply, FockeWulf. |
| 16:25.10 | Taintedwisp | Hows everything going everyone? |
| 16:25.24 | FockeWulf | whoops fail thanks helral |
| 16:25.42 | Vailreth | yo Tainted |
| 16:25.52 | Helral | pets FockeWulf |
| 16:25.54 | FockeWulf | I would think then |
| 16:25.59 | FockeWulf | since it started with a unit |
| 16:26.14 | FockeWulf | that would detect the scope but so far it hasnt done it yet. |
| 16:26.56 | Taintedwisp | Whats up vail |
| 16:27.18 | Taintedwisp | hmm I wonder why my Texture Select by ID didnt work yesterday... |
| 16:27.24 | Taintedwisp | I did just like I had done with the bunkers.... |
| 16:30.27 | FockeWulf | well at least now i know who their actor progamer is |
| 16:30.44 | Taintedwisp | mmmmm broccoli alfredo noodles and chicken... |
| 16:30.46 | Taintedwisp | awesome |
| 16:31.13 | FockeWulf | I'm still not sure if I want to hug him or shoot him. The actors tab is both fantastic and murderous at the same time... |
| 16:35.18 | Taintedwisp | Meh, not too much longer and I will have an extensive knowledge of the actors tab, I understand MOST of the things in it atm |
| 16:35.25 | Taintedwisp | Its a big one |
| 16:35.28 | Taintedwisp | The units tab is nothing |
| 16:35.51 | Taintedwisp | Behaviors and effects... Those 2 i need much more knowledge in |
| 16:36.01 | Helral | those aren't that tough to learn ;p |
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| 16:36.44 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 16:37.00 | Taintedwisp | I want to get real good with the data editor as it is, before I start learning XML... then.... lol |
| 16:37.12 | Taintedwisp | My goal is to be one of the top Editors by LoTV |
| 16:37.22 | Taintedwisp | In data, terrain, and layout |
| 16:37.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | afk |
| 16:37.28 | Taintedwisp | Screw triggers |
| 16:37.31 | Taintedwisp | triggers are gay |
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| 16:37.32 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 16:37.55 | Vailreth | Kueken: thanks that works wonderfully |
| 16:38.02 | Taintedwisp | AND NOW MY TEXTURE SELECT IS WORKING!!! |
| 16:41.05 | Taintedwisp | Im indifferent on this, HEY VAILRETH how do you like the immortals colors, Any suggestions on which textures to use if i change them? |
| 16:41.06 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/YkWKv.jpg |
| 16:43.05 | Taintedwisp | Dammit wrong button |
| 16:44.00 | Taintedwisp | If your doing something vailreth, feel free to overwrite that... lol that last save had no changes |
| 16:44.39 | Kueken | (18:37:03) Taintedwisp: I want to get real good with the data editor as it is, before I start learning XML... then.... lol |
| 16:44.45 | Kueken | well.... |
| 16:44.55 | Kueken | data is XML you know? |
| 16:45.16 | Taintedwisp | lol im talking about witht eh defaults |
| 16:45.20 | Taintedwisp | defaults |
| 16:45.36 | Taintedwisp | thought that was misspelled... |
| 16:49.15 | Taintedwisp | hmm I need to make a green immortal... with just Textures.... |
| 16:49.17 | Taintedwisp | no tint |
| 16:49.43 | Taintedwisp | One of my heroes is going to be Fenix Reborn... |
| 16:49.44 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 16:49.54 | Taintedwisp | But I want him to have his greenish tealish color |
| 16:50.41 | Bommes | then |
| 16:50.46 | Bommes | texture him green! |
| 16:51.17 | Taintedwisp | i am having a hard time finding a good texture for it... |
| 16:51.17 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 16:52.21 | Bommes | using a texture that was not made for it will almost always look off |
| 16:52.27 | Bommes | just changing the color on the other hand |
| 16:52.32 | Bommes | takes like 5 seconds in GIMP |
| 16:52.38 | Bommes | or |
| 16:52.41 | Bommes | make it 5 minutes |
| 16:52.45 | Bommes | if you want to only color specific parts |
| 16:55.27 | Taintedwisp | damn... |
| 16:55.57 | Taintedwisp | hmm but the question is... can I do this good... |
| 16:56.12 | TheSkunk__ | If you just want a simple recolor, its not that hard.. I might be able to do it for you |
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| 16:57.35 | Taintedwisp | really? sweet |
| 16:57.46 | Taintedwisp | Can you color it in "True Colors"? |
| 16:58.06 | TheSkunk__ | Not sure what you mean by that |
| 16:58.46 | TheSkunk__ | I'm not going to just adjust the hue if thats what you mean :P |
| 16:59.17 | Taintedwisp | hmm |
| 16:59.22 | Taintedwisp | nvm on the recoloring... |
| 16:59.33 | TheSkunk__ | OK |
| 16:59.38 | Taintedwisp | I can do that in events |
| 16:59.39 | Taintedwisp | True colors... i just remembered that just means he always has teal set for his player color |
| 17:01.42 | Taintedwisp | actually... I just adjusted the hue, and saturation... lol |
| 17:01.48 | Taintedwisp | now to see my changes |
| 17:01.50 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 17:05.43 | zenx1 | futftufut freestylooo |
| 17:06.50 | Taintedwisp | YOU lISTEN HERE YOUNG LADY!!! DOHNT BE TAKING THAT FUTFTU LANGUAGE WITH ME!!!! |
| 17:06.53 | TheSkunk__ | Heh, I don't even remember how to extract the texture files anymore... I thought there used to be a way to do it in the previewer |
| 17:08.33 | Taintedwisp | BAH changing the Hue does not look like I thought it would... |
| 17:08.35 | Taintedwisp | at all |
| 17:09.02 | *** join/#sc2mapster Icesmaster (1f36cf2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.54.207.46) |
| 17:09.26 | Icesmaster | Hello |
| 17:09.34 | TheSkunk__ | hey |
| 17:09.37 | Icesmaster | is anyone around? |
| 17:09.46 | Taintedwisp | nope |
| 17:09.52 | Taintedwisp | THis place is empty as hell... |
| 17:09.54 | Taintedwisp | Imma ghost |
| 17:10.06 | Icesmaster | Would need some serrius assistance with my map =/ |
| 17:10.49 | Icesmaster | Since the other day my map does not load up in multi ( in solo, with no one else from lobby it works ) |
| 17:11.30 | zenx1 | well thats odd |
| 17:11.32 | Icesmaster | i just remade my lobby triggers compleatly, and still drops everyone in multi |
| 17:11.57 | Icesmaster | i got the map uploaded, and as well the error message the SC2 logs.. |
| 17:12.00 | Blizz-Artestru | Icesmaster: What do you mean by drops every player? Do they get errors? Game crash? When does it happen? During load screen? After? |
| 17:12.21 | Blizz-Artestru | Yeah, I'd love to see that error message. |
| 17:12.44 | Icesmaster | it happens durring the load screen, drops all players, and following that, the score screen would load up, that does not happen either |
| 17:13.01 | Icesmaster | i give a link to the topic i made, with the files in it |
| 17:13.02 | Icesmaster | 1 sec |
| 17:13.26 | Icesmaster | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/42143-help-requiered-to-fix-lobby-teams-load-crash/#p2 |
| 17:13.44 | Taintedwisp | Hey Icesmaster, it might help if you Copy/Paste your map initilization triggers as text to http://pastebin.com/ |
| 17:13.50 | Taintedwisp | That way we can veiw them in text |
| 17:14.25 | Icesmaster | the thing is, the very same result i get, even older, tested and played versions of the map, up to 6v6 where there were no drops or issue, all of them, since yesterday are dead |
| 17:15.09 | Taintedwisp | hmmmm... Did Sc2 Patch yesterday? |
| 17:15.17 | TheSkunk__ | tools update |
| 17:15.27 | TheSkunk__ | Slightly different then a patch |
| 17:17.11 | Icesmaster | oh boy, how can i select them? I not a top with the trigger section of the editor |
| 17:18.47 | Taintedwisp | Highlight were it says events, then shift click your last action, and click copy as text |
| 17:19.43 | Icesmaster | kk |
| 17:19.46 | Icesmaster | i got it |
| 17:20.23 | Icesmaster | done |
| 17:21.13 | Icesmaster | Posted as: Star Armada Triggers |
| 17:23.08 | Taintedwisp | Then copy/paste it to pastebing and then give us the ling |
| 17:23.10 | Taintedwisp | link |
| 17:23.26 | Icesmaster | http://pastebin.com/DxmuvWVX |
| 17:24.04 | Icesmaster | this handless the Lobby teams down to ingame |
| 17:24.39 | Icesmaster | theres one more initial Trigger, that handless Alliances, but thats basic |
| 17:25.32 | Taintedwisp | ------- Failsafe incase someone changed lobby teams to 5 vs 3 to autmatically correct it to 4v4 in game. (THIS PART HAS NOT BEEN TESTED - but in theory it should work) |
| 17:25.52 | Taintedwisp | Back up the file, and remove that then upload and test |
| 17:25.55 | Icesmaster | first i deactivated that the other day |
| 17:25.56 | Icesmaster | didnt help |
| 17:26.01 | Taintedwisp | hmm |
| 17:26.19 | Taintedwisp | Alright try this then as a test |
| 17:26.29 | Taintedwisp | Change the event to Time Elapsed 2 seconds |
| 17:26.39 | Taintedwisp | and see if that fixes it, that will tell us if its in this trigger or not |
| 17:26.42 | Icesmaster | i made the lobby from this map, gonna dig the link up, it's on Mapster as a tutorial / sample map |
| 17:26.55 | Icesmaster | okie |
| 17:27.01 | Icesmaster | so a wait time before everything |
| 17:27.08 | Taintedwisp | no |
| 17:27.13 | Taintedwisp | Just change the event field lol |
| 17:27.22 | Taintedwisp | form Map initilization to Time elapsed |
| 17:27.40 | Taintedwisp | im good a trouble shooting, but I dont know too much about triggers, hopefully I can help you atleast isolate your problem |
| 17:29.16 | Taintedwisp | now I have a problem in my map... |
| 17:29.20 | Taintedwisp | DAMMIT |
| 17:29.28 | Taintedwisp | Just realized... my real texture by id is broken... |
| 17:29.29 | Taintedwisp | somehow... |
| 17:29.37 | Taintedwisp | I dont understand how this happend... WEIRD |
| 17:29.43 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/9tIZY.jpg |
| 17:29.53 | Taintedwisp | The textures I used... didnt have ANY red in them.. |
| 17:29.56 | Taintedwisp | where did that red come from |
| 17:32.49 | Icesmaster | thats today, or from the other day? |
| 17:33.05 | Icesmaster | would be good to know what was changed in the editor |
| 17:33.43 | Taintedwisp | Today my problem showed up... TheSkunk said there was a tools update yesterday |
| 17:34.09 | Taintedwisp | Hey Vailreth, do you know why my immortal is soo off colored? |
| 17:34.28 | Taintedwisp | I used the Zhakuldasobelisk textures for all but the normal |
| 17:34.29 | Taintedwisp | ... |
| 17:34.47 | Icesmaster | *sighs* |
| 17:35.07 | Icesmaster | would need one who can test, i uploaded the map with the change you suggested |
| 17:35.30 | Icesmaster | it only happens in multi, if i solo it wont happen |
| 17:37.37 | Taintedwisp | this on the NA server |
| 17:38.51 | Taintedwisp | is it on the NA? |
| 17:38.59 | Taintedwisp | if it is ill help test real quick |
| 17:39.04 | Taintedwisp | ishadowwolf.258 |
| 17:40.02 | *** join/#sc2mapster Vailreth (~kvirc@75.108.220.50) |
| 17:40.15 | Taintedwisp | Vailreth wasnt here? |
| 17:40.15 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:40.16 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/9tIZY.jpg |
| 17:41.05 | Icesmaster | its on the EU |
| 17:41.11 | Icesmaster | i can upload it to the NA |
| 17:41.17 | Icesmaster | but that take a bit longer |
| 17:43.17 | Taintedwisp | if you can install it on the NA ill help ya test it |
| 17:43.27 | Taintedwisp | upload, install whatever |
| 17:43.28 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:43.58 | Icesmaster | okie |
| 17:44.02 | Icesmaster | give a few mins |
| 17:44.08 | Vailreth | looks like its over heating |
| 17:45.39 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:45.43 | Taintedwisp | it broke |
| 17:45.49 | Taintedwisp | the texures I used... |
| 17:45.51 | Vailreth | ah |
| 17:45.54 | Taintedwisp | they HAD NO RED IN THEM |
| 17:46.02 | Taintedwisp | do you know whats wrong |
| 17:46.23 | Vailreth | i think they had alpha in them |
| 17:46.32 | Taintedwisp | hmm |
| 17:46.40 | Taintedwisp | yeah its something with the alpha... |
| 17:46.42 | Vailreth | alpha channel = team color |
| 17:46.47 | Taintedwisp | I know |
| 17:46.50 | Vailreth | nod |
| 17:46.59 | Taintedwisp | Because I placed a player 2 unit... and its blue.. |
| 17:47.02 | Taintedwisp | Any idea how to fix that |
| 17:47.08 | Taintedwisp | or how to Disable the aplha? |
| 17:47.19 | Vailreth | edit the textures? |
| 17:48.03 | Taintedwisp | I shouldnt have to I have used the textures I used before |
| 17:48.12 | Taintedwisp | I used the ZhakulDasObelisk |
| 17:48.18 | Taintedwisp | it has no team colors |
| 17:49.01 | Icesmaster | okie |
| 17:49.08 | Icesmaster | map is up on NA |
| 17:49.52 | Taintedwisp | alright |
| 17:49.56 | Taintedwisp | ishadowwolf.258 |
| 17:50.08 | Icesmaster | Join Chat Channel: Star Armada |
| 17:50.53 | Taintedwisp | im there |
| 17:55.23 | Icesmaster | okie |
| 17:55.28 | Icesmaster | no crash thats something |
| 17:55.44 | Taintedwisp | hmm |
| 17:55.48 | Icesmaster | the defence kills us becouse the alliance is set before the teams created |
| 17:55.58 | Icesmaster | the 2 sec delay |
| 17:56.02 | Taintedwisp | ah |
| 17:56.06 | Taintedwisp | okay. |
| 17:56.19 | Icesmaster | i gonna set a 0.1 delay on the lobby script, and 0.2 on the alliances |
| 17:56.21 | Taintedwisp | Hopefully that gave you a few ideas as to what it could be |
| 17:56.33 | Kueken | Taintedwisp: I know the problem with your texture |
| 17:56.41 | Taintedwisp | Damn you sneaky bastard |
| 17:56.42 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:56.46 | Taintedwisp | I was just about to ping you |
| 17:56.54 | Taintedwisp | had the whole line typed out |
| 17:56.56 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
| 17:56.57 | Kueken | :D |
| 17:57.04 | Taintedwisp | whats wrong with it? |
| 17:57.30 | Kueken | there are basically 2 types of textures for the models |
| 17:57.49 | Kueken | we are talking emissive textures here? |
| 17:57.52 | Kueken | probably |
| 17:57.56 | Kueken | or specular maybe |
| 17:58.14 | Taintedwisp | Diffuse Specular and Emissive |
| 17:58.19 | Kueken | okay |
| 17:58.21 | Taintedwisp | I changed those 3 |
| 17:58.27 | Kueken | diffuse alone should work, right= |
| 17:58.28 | Kueken | ? |
| 17:58.37 | Taintedwisp | I can try |
| 17:58.57 | Taintedwisp | But Emissive is what really gives it its color pattern |
| 17:59.08 | Kueken | this glowing in team color is usually caused by the emissive texture |
| 17:59.26 | Kueken | thats because there are 2 kinds of them |
| 18:00.01 | Kueken | many protoss and zerg units have these "glow in team color" textures |
| 18:00.02 | Taintedwisp | okay |
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| 18:00.24 | mille25 | hey |
| 18:00.29 | Kueken | the terran units mostly use "glow in the color of the texture" textures |
| 18:00.49 | Kueken | which one is used is defined in the emissive blend mode of the model |
| 18:00.49 | Taintedwisp | So Somehow I need to remove the "Glow"? |
| 18:01.19 | Taintedwisp | DAMMIT... why do i hear... 3dsmax... |
| 18:01.20 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:01.25 | Kueken | for one of them transparency equals no glow |
| 18:01.39 | Kueken | for the other one black is no glow |
| 18:01.54 | Taintedwisp | Where would i go to change this? |
| 18:02.10 | Kueken | so editing the texture in photoshop or gimp usually does the trick |
| 18:02.33 | Icesmaster | nice =) |
| 18:02.49 | Taintedwisp | ok |
| 18:02.49 | Kueken | convert transparency to black or vice-versa |
| 18:03.07 | Taintedwisp | hmmm okay |
| 18:03.11 | Kueken | I am actually not sure which texture type had black and which had transparency |
| 18:03.13 | Icesmaster | i uploaded it agen, now it's time to brake the lobby, if it dosent, never ever ever agen will be touched lol |
| 18:03.25 | Kueken | you can look that up in the texture |
| 18:03.35 | Kueken | but keep in mind |
| 18:03.44 | Taintedwisp | hmm Okay ill try that after I try Switching the Diffuse with the emissive, and making the defualt Immortal Emissive |
| 18:04.04 | Kueken | that the immortal for example can only show glowing parts in team color |
| 18:04.22 | Kueken | to circumvent this you can set the team color to your desired color in the actor |
| 18:05.23 | Bommes | ah |
| 18:05.46 | Taintedwisp | okay |
| 18:05.50 | Bommes | can you use different emissive colors for other units? |
| 18:06.23 | Kueken | yes, most terran units support all the colors in your emissive texture |
| 18:06.32 | Kueken | if the texture is green, they glow green |
| 18:07.09 | Kueken | if you put a blue emissive on an immortal and it has red team color, it will glow purple |
| 18:07.25 | Taintedwisp | I see what your saying |
| 18:07.47 | Taintedwisp | So then, Hopefully, the Black normal emissive will allow me to keep the diffuse texture without any alterations |
| 18:08.19 | Taintedwisp | Actually that worked quite well |
| 18:08.20 | Taintedwisp | HAHAAH |
| 18:08.29 | Taintedwisp | THANKS KUEKEN |
| 18:08.55 | Icesmaster | Taintedwisp THANK YOU FOR THE HELP! |
| 18:09.05 | Taintedwisp | Np glad I could help |
| 18:09.13 | Kueken | oh man, thanks floods the channel :) |
| 18:09.15 | Icesmaster | i gonna add you to the credits =) |
| 18:10.07 | Taintedwisp | lol kool |
| 18:11.09 | Taintedwisp | I dred making my next loading screen... I have around 10 people to thank in it lawl |
| 18:12.43 | TheSkunk__ | You have to thank them on the loading screen? :P |
| 18:12.54 | TheSkunk__ | If I have a lot of people to thank I do it ingame, using a tip or something |
| 18:13.41 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:13.55 | Taintedwisp | I like using the loading screen, more people will actually look at it |
| 18:13.55 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:14.09 | Taintedwisp | Though there will be a few Easter eggs for thanks in game |
| 18:14.10 | Taintedwisp | lol |
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| 18:16.50 | Taintedwisp | Alright its done... |
| 18:17.12 | Taintedwisp | Hope everyone likes it.. if not... go phuk yourself lawl, though if oyu have any sugestions feel free to tell me |
| 18:17.40 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/AkSfj.jpg |
| 18:17.45 | Taintedwisp | What do you think? |
| 18:18.49 | Kueken | uuh, I know that texture... what was it... xel'naga prison? |
| 18:19.46 | Taintedwisp | i think so |
| 18:19.50 | Taintedwisp | dont remember lol |
| 18:19.54 | Taintedwisp | WAIT NO |
| 18:19.57 | Taintedwisp | its ZhakulDas... something |
| 18:19.58 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:20.01 | Taintedwisp | Maybe prision |
| 18:20.05 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:20.13 | zenx1 | uglyyyyy |
| 18:20.32 | Taintedwisp | Hes been frozen in a swamp... |
| 18:20.33 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:20.54 | Taintedwisp | It was the only good Teal one... |
| 18:20.55 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:21.05 | Kueken | you can do your own ;) |
| 18:21.25 | Kueken | take the base immortal texture and recolor it teal |
| 18:21.51 | Kueken | this one works, but it looks a little... out of place |
| 18:21.59 | Kueken | and if you need to import a texture anyway |
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| 18:22.25 | Taintedwisp | I learned a long time ago... My re-coloring... sucks lawl |
| 18:22.50 | Kueken | doesn't take more than 2 seconds in gimp |
| 18:23.03 | Taintedwisp | People keep saying that... i use photoshop... |
| 18:23.03 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:23.17 | Kueken | no idea how photoshop handles it |
| 18:23.29 | Kueken | but they must have some sliders to alter color as well |
| 18:25.17 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
| 18:25.38 | Taintedwisp | Do you know if they the dds settings they use? |
| 18:26.32 | Kueken | zhakuldasprison_glow :) |
| 18:26.55 | Taintedwisp | yup |
| 18:26.56 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:27.13 | Taintedwisp | I do like it, but I agree it doesnt match that unit |
| 18:27.25 | Taintedwisp | Maybe a bigger bulkeir unit like the battle cruiser or ultralisk |
| 18:27.34 | Taintedwisp | non protoss |
| 18:27.41 | Kueken | I usually use dtx3 compression for textures |
| 18:27.46 | Kueken | no mipmaps |
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| 18:28.11 | Kueken | *dxt |
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| 18:34.14 | Blizz-Artestru | Logging in with the Freenode web client causes me to question my humanity. I fail the Captcha at least three times per login. |
| 18:35.08 | Helral|ZzZzZz | lol |
| 18:35.10 | Exaken | just download an irc client:P |
| 18:35.15 | Taintedwisp | ;p; |
| 18:35.17 | Helral|ZzZzZz | meows in his sleep |
| 18:35.32 | Blizz-Artestru | That's a hassle. |
| 18:35.51 | Helral|ZzZzZz | then create an IRC client yourself. |
| 18:36.03 | Blizz-Artestru | Now that's an option! |
| 18:37.01 | Kueken | and do it within an SC2 map |
| 18:37.42 | Helral|ZzZzZz | implement it into sc2 so that everyone who joins the sc2mapster chat channel also logs into this IRC channel ;p |
| 18:38.00 | Kueken | ...and everyone who plays a map on the arcade |
| 18:38.11 | Taintedwisp | Alright |
| 18:38.27 | Taintedwisp | ]your were right Kueken this does look better... The color is slightly off.. but that doesnt matter. |
| 18:38.56 | Kueken | :) |
| 18:39.22 | Taintedwisp | http://imgur.com/cS15Y |
| 18:39.25 | Taintedwisp | What do you think? |
| 18:39.40 | Helral|ZzZzZz | I think it is an image.... was I right? |
| 18:39.40 | Kueken | pretty good, I think |
| 18:39.54 | Kueken | looks like a teal immortal |
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| 18:40.04 | Kueken | just like it is supposed to, right? |
| 18:40.09 | Icesmaster | hello agen |
| 18:40.27 | Icesmaster | okie, still have issues =/ |
| 18:40.36 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
| 18:41.23 | Taintedwisp | Well fenix was a Teal zealot, then a teal Dragoon, now a Teal Immortal |
| 18:41.25 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:41.42 | Icesmaster | it worked when i set the timer to 2 sec delay, and the alliance one was initially on |
| 18:42.02 | Helral|ZzZzZz | is he also a Teal explosion? |
| 18:42.11 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:42.14 | Taintedwisp | I dunno |
| 18:42.34 | Taintedwisp | im not putting that much into it... |
| 18:42.34 | Kueken | you could just use player 3 :D |
| 18:42.34 | Kueken | teal team color |
| 18:42.34 | Taintedwisp | just tryin to make it work... |
| 18:42.34 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:42.40 | Taintedwisp | Nah |
| 18:42.45 | Taintedwisp | I wanted the teams color to show |
| 18:42.46 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:42.48 | Taintedwisp | Its a hero |
| 18:42.49 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:42.50 | Kueken | :) |
| 18:43.04 | Kueken | in SC1, it worked that way |
| 18:43.21 | RipperRoo | slaps Kueken around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:43.27 | Kueken | you could attach something for a more hero-ish look |
| 18:43.32 | Kueken | wrong channel ripper |
| 18:43.46 | RipperRoo | i can slap u wherever i want ! |
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| 18:43.56 | Taintedwisp | Yeah I might |
| 18:44.07 | Taintedwisp | Probably just Aura lookig things and effects. |
| 18:44.11 | Kueken | is it slapsgiving already? |
| 18:44.17 | Taintedwisp | http://i.imgur.com/dIJiE.jpg |
| 18:44.19 | zenx1rpgmaker | actually got some mapping dojene today |
| 18:44.29 | Taintedwisp | kicks zenx1 in da balls |
| 18:44.35 | zenx1rpgmaker | :( |
| 18:44.45 | zenx1rpgmaker | but its new and improved pvp |
| 18:44.54 | zenx1rpgmaker | (needs testing thou to confirm it) |
| 18:45.04 | Taintedwisp | kicks zenx in da balls... again |
| 18:45.11 | zenx1rpgmaker | wow now that immortal looks really neet |
| 18:45.52 | Helral|ZzZzZz | zenx1: you're only saying that cause you're afraid to get kicked in the balls aren't you? |
| 18:45.54 | Taintedwisp | I like my zealot the best |
| 18:46.08 | Helral|ZzZzZz | dodges |
| 18:46.12 | Helral|ZzZzZz | ow nothing happened.... |
| 18:46.21 | Taintedwisp | sells Helral to a Chinese food shop |
| 18:46.35 | Kueken | dodge that! xD |
| 18:46.38 | Helral|ZzZzZz | takes over the food shop. |
| 18:46.40 | Helral|ZzZzZz | :) |
| 18:47.02 | Taintedwisp | Touche |
| 18:47.14 | Helral | you haven't seen the futurama episode with the cats have you? |
| 18:47.19 | zenx1rpgmaker | I want that crytal to be bigger on zealots head |
| 18:47.26 | Helral | if you had you could have predicted that... |
| 18:47.27 | zenx1rpgmaker | maybe even make the head replaced by crystal |
| 18:47.31 | zenx1rpgmaker | aaaaand |
| 18:47.36 | Taintedwisp | uhhh yeah... |
| 18:47.36 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:47.40 | zenx1rpgmaker | hydralisk looks too much like hydralisk |
| 18:47.40 | Taintedwisp | Futurama is my shit... |
| 18:47.43 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
| 18:47.47 | Taintedwisp | Its going to be changed up some |
| 18:47.58 | Taintedwisp | but thats Vailreth s baby |
| 18:48.00 | Taintedwisp | not mine |
| 18:48.33 | Helral | zenx1rpgmaker: what's the diff between a hydralisk and a hydralisk then? |
| 18:48.33 | Taintedwisp | right now it has 2 tentacles that attack |
| 18:48.55 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
| 18:49.09 | Taintedwisp | He just understood the point that my heros would all be Unique :P |
| 18:49.20 | Helral | ;p |
| 18:49.33 | Helral | but his comment makes no sense ;p |
| 18:49.38 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:50.00 | Taintedwisp | To reiterate his sentence, The Hero Hydralisk looks too much like the Normal Hydralisk |
| 18:50.04 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 18:50.07 | Helral | " <zenx1rpgmaker> hydralisk looks too much like hydralisk" It's a hydralisk.... duh! ;p |
| 18:50.38 | Helral | that human looks too much like a human..... |
| 18:50.58 | Helral | should it look more like a elephant instead? |
| 18:51.24 | zenx1rpgmaker | there is no human in the picture? |
| 18:51.40 | Helral | look better. |
| 18:51.56 | Helral | is your screen not reflecting your own face? ;p |
| 18:52.17 | Taintedwisp | I dont want no Dirtbag humans |
| 18:52.18 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:52.22 | Taintedwisp | Dirty turds |
| 18:52.23 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:52.27 | Kueken | http://i.imgur.com/yoSYD.jpg |
| 18:52.31 | Kueken | thats a hydra :) |
| 18:52.33 | Taintedwisp | Nah ill make some terran units later |
| 18:52.49 | Taintedwisp | it would be kueken... if I could see it |
| 18:52.52 | Taintedwisp | Its a dark dark image |
| 18:52.53 | Taintedwisp | :( |
| 18:53.04 | Kueken | its a dark hydra |
| 18:53.15 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:53.39 | Taintedwisp | it looks cool, from what I can see of it |
| 18:54.13 | Taintedwisp | NO KUEKEN!!! |
| 18:54.14 | Taintedwisp | http://lh3.ggpht.com/_vb8X59FaJg8/TFThBtMQM0I/AAAAAAAAA_g/que236SZk0A/Sm%2520Hydralisk_thumb.jpg |
| 18:54.16 | Taintedwisp | THATS A HYDRA |
| 18:54.34 | Taintedwisp | too bad its SM |
| 18:54.35 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:54.54 | Kueken | well, it should have a couple of animations, maybe you can make use of it |
| 18:55.36 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 18:55.43 | Taintedwisp | I wish, but the backend of it looks like shit |
| 18:55.55 | Taintedwisp | I wish they would have giving that part a little more thought |
| 18:56.27 | Kueken | the whole part on the floor looks really ugly |
| 18:56.37 | Kueken | like the back of jabba the hutt |
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| 18:56.52 | hobbidude | question for action defintions |
| 18:56.55 | Kueken | but the upper half is awesome |
| 18:57.12 | hobbidude | how do i make it nice and need to read when using inside another action |
| 18:57.37 | hobbidude | like how can i get it to tell the parameters |
| 18:57.46 | Kueken | ? |
| 18:57.52 | Kueken | I dont understand the question |
| 18:58.00 | Helral | think there was a section where you can set that inside the AD. |
| 18:58.12 | hobbidude | is that hint text? |
| 18:58.28 | Kueken | ah |
| 18:58.29 | Helral | possible... checking once sc2editor started |
| 18:59.00 | Kueken | "tell the parameters" as in provide certain options for them? |
| 18:59.11 | Kueken | or provide a tooltip |
| 18:59.36 | hobbidude | i guess tool tip |
| 18:59.44 | hobbidude | like instead of it saying just 0,0 |
| 18:59.56 | Helral | grammar text |
| 18:59.57 | hobbidude | it should say a size of (0,0) |
| 19:00.33 | hobbidude | aahh |
| 19:00.34 | hobbidude | ty |
| 19:17.57 | Icesmaster | Still not working |
| 19:18.17 | Icesmaster | anyone superb with triggers around? |
| 19:20.02 | Taintedwisp | Icesmaster, I would suggest putting on the forums, hopefully you will get one today or tomorrow |
| 19:20.43 | Icesmaster | i hope so, i gona update it |
| 19:20.59 | Kueken | whats the problem? |
| 19:21.15 | Icesmaster | is there a specific area where i can post it and gets more look though? |
| 19:21.59 | Kueken | trigger section on mapster |
| 19:22.12 | Kueken | you can try reddit, but I doubt it will be upvoted :) |
| 19:22.21 | Taintedwisp | Hey Vailreth you there by chance? |
| 19:22.40 | Kueken | you can try bnet forums, but their custom map part is usually quite deserted |
| 19:23.22 | Taintedwisp | I go on Vacation tomorrow :P |
| 19:23.29 | Taintedwisp | to new york -_- |
| 19:23.30 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:23.35 | Taintedwisp | but vacation none the less |
| 19:23.36 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:23.49 | Kueken | my condolences |
| 19:24.14 | Taintedwisp | lawl, yeah no kidding, besides my grandparents, uncles, and cousins... I HATE THE NORTH!!! |
| 19:24.52 | Taintedwisp | Everyone who is not family I have met up there... are fucking rude, "politically correct", jackasses, who have no morals or values... aside from one or two... |
| 19:25.59 | Taintedwisp | I will admit that the south has lower education rates... but they make up that with much stronger values. |
| 19:26.16 | Taintedwisp | Shit I would rather deal with dumb nice people, then Average intelligent jackasses |
| 19:26.43 | Kueken | okay, okay, I leave you alone ;) |
| 19:26.43 | Taintedwisp | The iq diffference is like 93 for the south, and like 96 for the north... its not even a huge change... |
| 19:26.46 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 19:26.58 | Vailreth | im here now |
| 19:27.16 | Kueken | :D |
| 19:27.26 | Taintedwisp | Hey wanted to let you know, Im going on vacation tomorrow, I have set up a few heroes, so feel free to work on any of their abilities |
| 19:27.34 | Taintedwisp | you should have everything I wont have internet for 5 days |
| 19:27.35 | Kueken | "im here now - average intelligent jackass, at your service" |
| 19:27.40 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:27.51 | Taintedwisp | Average iq is 98 for America... |
| 19:27.52 | Taintedwisp | sadly |
| 19:28.03 | Taintedwisp | If you can map your not average iq... |
| 19:28.06 | Kueken | happens |
| 19:28.24 | Taintedwisp | to do mapping decent you would need atleast 115 to do it |
| 19:28.27 | Kueken | oh, if I see some maps, I doubt that statement ;) |
| 19:28.33 | Vailreth | ok i will work on them when i get the chances |
| 19:28.38 | Taintedwisp | kk |
| 19:28.44 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
| 19:28.54 | Taintedwisp | 115... is not really that high |
| 19:29.03 | Taintedwisp | remember its a scale of 100 for the world average |
| 19:29.07 | Kueken | no idea what my iq is |
| 19:29.13 | Taintedwisp | It just means that the majority of the world is fucking stupid |
| 19:29.20 | Vailreth | i used to be near 120 |
| 19:29.22 | Taintedwisp | last time mine was tested it was 156 |
| 19:29.33 | Taintedwisp | but that can fluctuate up to 15 points |
| 19:29.46 | Taintedwisp | the highest i have been tested was 162 |
| 19:29.52 | Vailreth | ]but ive developed some learning disabilites since then |
| 19:29.54 | Taintedwisp | the lowest was 144 |
| 19:30.20 | Vailreth | nice |
| 19:30.29 | Taintedwisp | the iq test is mostly about how quickly you can learn things and how much of it you can retain |
| 19:30.31 | Kueken | there were multiple ways of testing anyway, right? testing the one way, Einstein would have like 175, the other way he got more than 200 |
| 19:30.46 | Taintedwisp | yeah there are lots of ways |
| 19:31.13 | Vailreth | let me say this i had a second year college reading comprehension level in the first grade |
| 19:31.32 | Taintedwisp | the most common is they have you read a chapter from a book then do something for a couple hours, then come back and then they test you on it |
| 19:31.40 | Taintedwisp | nice |
| 19:31.44 | Taintedwisp | Same here vail :P |
| 19:32.06 | Taintedwisp | like I said its all about how well you can grasp what your being taught |
| 19:32.18 | Vailreth | i used to do algebra for fun ... now i cant add with out a calculator |
| 19:32.23 | Taintedwisp | lOL |
| 19:32.30 | Taintedwisp | I hate calculators... |
| 19:32.43 | Kueken | well, nothing special for me, I got in school 1 year early and never put any effort whatsoever in learning |
| 19:32.46 | Taintedwisp | of course I had my ass whooped everytime I tried to use one as a kid... my parents didnt believe in the lazy way |
| 19:32.47 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:33.09 | Kueken | and didn't need to, so I am assuming I am sort of intelligent |
| 19:33.17 | Kueken | but well, w/e |
| 19:33.19 | Taintedwisp | same here kueken, I would ACE all end of year exams..and fail the class |
| 19:33.27 | Taintedwisp | because I wouldnt stay awake nor study |
| 19:33.28 | Vailreth | yeah same here |
| 19:33.31 | Taintedwisp | i mean do homework |
| 19:33.43 | Taintedwisp | well I didnt study either... ever |
| 19:33.47 | Vailreth | gah home work and class work were just busy work for grades sake |
| 19:33.55 | Taintedwisp | yup |
| 19:34.11 | Taintedwisp | I always thought they were below me... the drawback was... my classmates thought I was retarded... |
| 19:34.23 | Taintedwisp | because I was in 2 AP classes, and 2 honors classes.. |
| 19:34.23 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:34.29 | Taintedwisp | failed all 4 |
| 19:34.33 | Taintedwisp | but aced all 4s exams |
| 19:34.36 | Taintedwisp | and Test |
| 19:34.40 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:34.59 | Taintedwisp | So they thought I was cheating, and was stupid somehow... |
| 19:35.00 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:35.21 | Taintedwisp | Just because I didnt want to talk to them.. I hated highschool, I had plenty of friends.. but it was sooo damn boreing and long.. |
| 19:35.32 | Taintedwisp | I could have learned everything I learned in highschool in a single year... |
| 19:35.49 | Taintedwisp | but because of "Average america" We had to take 4 years.. |
| 19:36.21 | Vailreth | i could have started in first grade at least but the put me in prek because of my age |
| 19:36.30 | Vailreth | school did nothing but hold me back |
| 19:36.31 | Taintedwisp | That reminds me I have a great idea when I become a developer one day... HAHAH |
| 19:36.35 | Taintedwisp | Yup |
| 19:37.01 | Taintedwisp | When you try to play online in my games you take a 20 quesiton test, your score determines which server your put on |
| 19:37.09 | Taintedwisp | SEPERATE THE STUPID FROM THE SMART |
| 19:37.18 | Kueken | well, sometimes I hate that I am intelligent |
| 19:37.21 | Taintedwisp | when you play with friends it transfers you to the other server temporarly |
| 19:37.27 | Kueken | makes me think too much |
| 19:37.31 | Taintedwisp | HAHAHA |
| 19:37.39 | Taintedwisp | that just means you need an outlet for your mind |
| 19:37.41 | Taintedwisp | I use mapping |
| 19:37.42 | Vailreth | ive learned not to think at times |
| 19:37.48 | Taintedwisp | and yahoo news |
| 19:37.53 | Taintedwisp | and DoDs Clan |
| 19:37.54 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:38.02 | Taintedwisp | And Unisom is great for sleeping |
| 19:38.03 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:38.26 | Vailreth | but i write and develop games as a "dayjob" and map as a hobby |
| 19:38.43 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:38.58 | Kueken | heh |
| 19:39.02 | Taintedwisp | I map as ahobby, I wish I could develop games... but that wouldnt be my "dayjob" that would be my carrer |
| 19:39.53 | Vailreth | im disabled and cant work so i write and such hoping to supliment my income abit |
| 19:41.13 | Kueken | paraplegic? |
| 19:42.06 | Vailreth | autistic, bipolar, dyslexic and a whole host of other nerologiocal issuses from a misswired brain and bad chemistry |
| 19:42.17 | Kueken | :) |
| 19:42.52 | Kueken | social anxiety for me. |
| 19:42.53 | Vailreth | they dont even have a name for whats wrong with the part of my brain that handless math |
| 19:43.25 | Vailreth | on the paper work its listed " Unknow math disability": |
| 19:43.34 | Vailreth | or something similar |
| 19:43.35 | Kueken | feels like the sentence from spiderman "with great (brain)power comes great liability" |
| 19:43.37 | Kueken | :/ |
| 19:43.48 | Vailreth | heh yes |
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| 19:44.30 | Vailreth | oh yes i also sufer from auditory and other sensory halucinations |
| 19:44.39 | equinox1911 | moin |
| 19:44.50 | Kueken | oh, so I am just a product of your imagination |
| 19:44.52 | Kueken | thats nice |
| 19:45.13 | Vailreth | are you a disembodied living human brain out to try and kill me? |
| 19:45.26 | Kueken | if you want me to |
| 19:45.31 | Taintedwisp | I might be.. |
| 19:45.35 | Vailreth | hah |
| 19:45.39 | Taintedwisp | But mines more of a slow death... |
| 19:45.45 | equinox1911 | of yours?, well you have to prove that |
| 19:45.59 | Taintedwisp | not very painful... liek carbon monoxide coming inside the car. |
| 19:46.01 | equinox1911 | as of now i think more you are a product of my imagination |
| 19:46.03 | Kueken | equinox1911: I wait for the day when "moin" is an approved english word |
| 19:46.23 | equinox1911 | point taken |
| 19:46.25 | Taintedwisp | I want them to just accept the word Liek ... |
| 19:46.37 | Taintedwisp | I misspell that one all the time. |
| 19:46.38 | Vailreth | we sould start a petition to get to add i t |
| 19:46.42 | Vailreth | it* |
| 19:46.58 | Taintedwisp | HELL WHILE WE ARE AT I T WE SHOULD MAKE THEM ADD THE WORD "I T" |
| 19:47.03 | Kueken | as a universal replacement word |
| 19:47.03 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:47.06 | Kueken | like smurf |
| 19:47.07 | Vailreth | they added Web2.0 as a word |
| 19:47.24 | Taintedwisp | who da fuck is webster and why does that douchebag get to choose whats realz wordsz and what iznt |
| 19:47.52 | Kueken | who da fuck is mapster and why does that douchebag get to choose whats realz mapsz and what iznt |
| 19:48.08 | Vailreth | http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Main_Page |
| 19:48.12 | Taintedwisp | AEO is now a word... suck it bitch no constants.... |
| 19:48.15 | equinox1911 | z for s , i admitt i had a phase i did such stuff |
| 19:48.56 | Kueken | for shizzle |
| 19:49.16 | Kueken | (whoever that might be) |
| 19:49.28 | Taintedwisp | No kueken... we dont allow hood trash language in our shit |
| 19:49.29 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:50.10 | Taintedwisp | The words dog, Hommie, Bra, yeeeh, compruter, and fo shizzle... now mean " i'm a bitch" |
| 19:50.21 | Kueken | so we need to make our own mapping trash language |
| 19:50.26 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:50.33 | Kueken | site operizzle |
| 19:50.41 | Taintedwisp | imma type in morse code.... |
| 19:50.51 | Taintedwisp | dddddddddddddddddddddddddd |
| 19:50.54 | Taintedwisp | you get that message? |
| 19:51.06 | Kueken | nope |
| 19:51.08 | Taintedwisp | fffffffffffffffffffffffffsssssssffffsssfffffsf |
| 19:51.09 | equinox1911 | a lot of upside down P ? |
| 19:51.10 | Vailreth | you for gotthe spaces ... |
| 19:51.24 | Taintedwisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.26 | Taintedwisp | better? |
| 19:51.33 | Vailreth | hah jackass |
| 19:51.33 | Kueken | I saw that one coming... |
| 19:51.37 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:53.17 | Taintedwisp | -.- ..- . -.- . -. / .-.. --- ...- . ... / - .-. .- -. ... ... . -..- ..- .- .-.. / -.. .. -.-. -.- ... .-.-.- |
| 19:53.19 | Taintedwisp | That is for you |
| 19:53.41 | Kueken | a lot of sad faces in there.... |
| 19:53.44 | Taintedwisp | ...- .- .. .-.. .-. . - .... / .-.. --- ...- . ... / -- . -. |
| 19:53.51 | Taintedwisp | http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.html |
| 19:53.52 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:53.55 | Taintedwisp | im lazy |
| 19:54.00 | Kueken | you should mix in some kirbys |
| 19:54.05 | Taintedwisp | NEXT!!! |
| 19:54.08 | Taintedwisp | imma type brail.. |
| 19:54.09 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 19:54.46 | Taintedwisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.49 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:55.05 | Taintedwisp | A REAL braille nigga would have known what that ment |
| 19:55.34 | Kueken | I am not so I dont know :) |
| 19:56.02 | Kueken | last time I watched my face, it looked more like a vampire than black |
| 19:57.45 | Vailreth | rockets form the sockets GO EYE ROCKET EYES |
| 19:58.47 | Taintedwisp | that is correct vailreth |
| 19:58.48 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:58.53 | Taintedwisp | actually I dont remember what I typed |
| 19:58.54 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:59.02 | Taintedwisp | I think i typed Kueken loves men |
| 19:59.13 | Kueken | happens |
| 19:59.17 | Taintedwisp | let the record show... it was kueken loves men |
| 19:59.37 | Kueken | you have to know darling :-* |
| 19:59.59 | Taintedwisp | lol |
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| 20:01.53 | Vailreth | Spinzil |
| 20:02.09 | Taintedwisp | lol |
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| 20:07.23 | Vailreth | i have an idea for a structure that you may or may not want to add Tainted, did you ever Play Red Alert 2 Yuris Revenge? |
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| 20:09.28 | Taintedwisp | nope |
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| 20:09.52 | Kueken | I certainly did |
| 20:09.56 | Kueken | great game |
| 20:09.58 | Vailreth | ah well Yuri's forces had two really cool structures the Psychic tower...and The Grinder... |
| 20:10.33 | Kueken | I recently installed it again xD |
| 20:10.33 | Vailreth | the tower mind controlled units and the grinder could be used to recycle units into resources ... |
| 20:10.45 | Taintedwisp | hmm |
| 20:10.53 | Taintedwisp | I actually really like both ideas, If you can program them |
| 20:11.06 | Taintedwisp | Set the Grinder where the merc shops are |
| 20:11.06 | Kueken | should be easy :) |
| 20:11.24 | Taintedwisp | and use the Doodad model for Mineral grinder? |
| 20:11.35 | Taintedwisp | i forget, and have it consume units and give 1 mineral per unit |
| 20:11.44 | Taintedwisp | that the player sacrifices |
| 20:12.14 | Taintedwisp | and if you want you can Re-name the Hive mind thing, and Use that as a model for the psychic tower |
| 20:12.32 | Vailreth | what i was thinking was a base defense that out mind controlled and ordered units into its self to grind them for resorurces |
| 20:12.41 | Vailreth | auto mind* |
| 20:13.07 | Vailreth | but i can make both |
| 20:13.44 | Taintedwisp | can you make the thing you were thinking? |
| 20:13.49 | Taintedwisp | and make the other grinder |
| 20:13.50 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:13.51 | Vailreth | yes |
| 20:13.53 | Taintedwisp | Sweet |
| 20:14.13 | Taintedwisp | Sounds great |
| 20:14.36 | Taintedwisp | or... you could. |
| 20:15.00 | Taintedwisp | Make the pychic so it controls the mind, and then orders the units to walk into the grinder |
| 20:15.12 | Taintedwisp | You know how to set up the Base defenses right? |
| 20:15.22 | Taintedwisp | So that they can only be built on a Beacon? |
| 20:15.29 | Vailreth | built on feild? |
| 20:15.32 | Taintedwisp | I believe the beacons are called bunkerplacementarea |
| 20:15.49 | Taintedwisp | If not dont worrie about that part and ill get it later |
| 20:15.52 | Taintedwisp | its real easy |
| 20:15.58 | Vailreth | nod |
| 20:16.09 | Taintedwisp | I forget what I had to do but its small:P |
| 20:18.07 | Taintedwisp | LOL writting the HELP on this map is going to be ridiculous :P |
| 20:18.17 | Taintedwisp | but it will be a fun map |
| 20:21.02 | Vailreth | how many minerals do you want back from each unit, just 1? |
| 20:21.15 | Taintedwisp | yeah 1 should be enough |
| 20:21.52 | Taintedwisp | Make the Pychic tower target 1 unit every... 1.7? seconds or whatever sounds good to you |
| 20:22.05 | Vailreth | ok |
| 20:22.37 | Kueken | psy tower style with a limit of 3 at a time, or more the unlimited mastermind option? |
| 20:22.44 | Taintedwisp | To make it so it can be only built on the beacons, change the behavior Built on feild to Bunkerplacementarea |
| 20:23.08 | Kueken | mastermind was so funny in yuris revenge :D |
| 20:23.21 | Taintedwisp | Can you also make it so that the grinder can only devour its own players units. |
| 20:23.38 | Vailreth | sure. |
| 20:24.01 | Taintedwisp | Because later I am going to make those buildings so that they are neutral by default and if you go in their area they become your unit |
| 20:24.21 | Taintedwisp | like in marine arena, or Footman Frenzy how those are set up |
| 20:24.56 | Taintedwisp | With the grinder, there are 4 buildings planned on sitting on each side of the map |
| 20:25.20 | Taintedwisp | Though I might place the items building in the middle |
| 20:25.27 | Taintedwisp | make 2 of them across from each others corners |
| 20:29.02 | Taintedwisp | Yo kueken, Is there a way to sync the animations or make all units move with one units animation for attached units? |
| 20:30.33 | Kueken | so you have sort of a squad and everyone should use all animations synchronously`? |
| 20:30.47 | Taintedwisp | no |
| 20:31.08 | Taintedwisp | http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/QcnVjl.jpg |
| 20:31.32 | Taintedwisp | sometimes the sentry will move opposite the zealot... if they are standing still and I pay close attention |
| 20:31.35 | Kueken | the attachments dont move correctly when animating? |
| 20:32.00 | Kueken | well |
| 20:32.17 | Kueken | you can try different attachment points |
| 20:32.22 | Taintedwisp | its not a big deal and you cant really see it |
| 20:32.29 | Taintedwisp | unless he stands still and you zoom in a tad |
| 20:32.33 | Taintedwisp | but still |
| 20:32.43 | Taintedwisp | so it doesnt really matter |
| 20:32.53 | Kueken | for attachments, there will always be some amount of clipping |
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| 20:33.11 | Taintedwisp | oh okay |
| 20:33.25 | Taintedwisp | I like that guy... still my favorite of the ones I have done |
| 20:33.29 | Kueken | the animations never match perfectly |
| 20:33.43 | Kueken | you can adjust a bit with site operations |
| 20:33.46 | Taintedwisp | Well maybe I could make them.. come to think of it... |
| 20:33.47 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:33.59 | Taintedwisp | But that would require going into the model and chaning animation speeds... |
| 20:34.02 | Taintedwisp | of everything |
| 20:34.14 | Taintedwisp | Yup, not worth it |
| 20:34.21 | Taintedwisp | I would have to duplicate, fix, duplicate and more fix |
| 20:34.48 | Kueken | you attached it to head, right? |
| 20:34.58 | Taintedwisp | yup |
| 20:35.37 | Kueken | the sentrys stand animation moves a little, I believe |
| 20:35.50 | Kueken | you can try to use stand(global loop) instead |
| 20:36.04 | Kueken | which usually provides a static version of the animation |
| 20:36.14 | Kueken | maybe that improves it |
| 20:37.16 | Kueken | btw, the sentry matches perfectly :) makes a nice helmet/visor sort of thing |
| 20:37.41 | Kueken | dont like the pylon/crystal that much, though |
| 20:41.24 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:41.30 | Taintedwisp | It looked weird without the pylon |
| 20:41.30 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:41.53 | Taintedwisp | his head was pokeing through the back of the sentry |
| 20:42.27 | Kueken | yes, maybe something else |
| 20:42.42 | Kueken | one of the protoss relic variations maybe |
| 20:43.32 | Taintedwisp | Hey vailreth you working on that tower you said? |
| 20:43.41 | Vailreth | yes |
| 20:43.44 | Taintedwisp | sweet |
| 20:43.49 | Vailreth | i just created an icon for it |
| 20:44.22 | Taintedwisp | What ill do Kueken is open a second version of the map I have, and Ill fool around with it, see if I cant get a better result |
| 20:44.28 | Taintedwisp | if you have any ideas feel free to share them |
| 20:53.51 | Taintedwisp | Hey Kueken is there a way, to make it so that the Archon doesnt blur other units? |
| 20:54.01 | Taintedwisp | Can I take that away some how? |
| 20:54.26 | Kueken | I didn't find a way to completely remove it so far |
| 20:54.29 | Kueken | just reduce it |
| 20:55.07 | Kueken | the "rippling" is defined by a normal texture |
| 20:55.21 | Kueken | called BigWaves.dds or something |
| 20:55.32 | Kueken | you can swap that with texture select by id |
| 20:55.49 | Taintedwisp | eh nvm, the effect isnt worth it |
| 20:55.50 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:56.03 | Kueken | :) |
| 20:56.05 | Taintedwisp | I just wanted the white glow to shine through some of the armor, but nah |
| 20:56.06 | Kueken | its not hard |
| 20:56.06 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:56.46 | Taintedwisp | I might in the newest version of the map play around with it |
| 21:07.28 | *** join/#sc2mapster Taintedwisp_ (adbcc5b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.188.197.180) |
| 21:07.30 | Taintedwisp_ | FUCK PEICE OF FUCKING SHITTY ASS HIT |
| 21:07.49 | Taintedwisp | Fucking no batter peice fo shit.. |
| 21:08.04 | Taintedwisp | power flickerd... and it fucked me over and shut down my computer |
| 21:08.21 | Kueken | happens |
| 21:08.23 | Taintedwisp | I could do this. http://i.imgur.com/g2NZB.jpg |
| 21:08.41 | Kueken | whats that |
| 21:08.44 | Kueken | a biodome? |
| 21:08.54 | Taintedwisp | Forcefeild |
| 21:09.07 | Kueken | ah, retextured |
| 21:09.13 | Taintedwisp | no |
| 21:09.18 | Taintedwisp | just a forcefeild |
| 21:09.18 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:09.27 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 21:09.32 | Taintedwisp | lo |
| 21:09.33 | Kueken | it looks way different |
| 21:09.41 | Taintedwisp | What settings is your computer on? |
| 21:10.00 | Kueken | high to ultra |
| 21:10.04 | Taintedwisp | hmm |
| 21:10.06 | Taintedwisp | i duunno then |
| 21:10.09 | Taintedwisp | thats on high.. |
| 21:10.12 | Taintedwisp | laggy as fuck but on high |
| 21:10.14 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:10.17 | Taintedwisp | i play on low |
| 21:10.24 | Kueken | my forcefields are glowing blue... |
| 21:10.36 | Taintedwisp | thats weird |
| 21:10.45 | Vailreth | is it possible to validate that an ability is in use? |
| 21:10.47 | Taintedwisp | they are supposed to take the color of whatever is under or around them |
| 21:10.50 | Taintedwisp | they are like a window |
| 21:11.01 | Kueken | Vailreth: not directly, I think |
| 21:11.08 | Kueken | or.. |
| 21:11.15 | Kueken | you can validate the order, I believe |
| 21:11.32 | Vailreth | im trying that |
| 21:11.37 | Taintedwisp | asdfghjkl;'qwertyuiop[]\zxcvbnm,./qwertyuiop[]\asdfghjkl;'zxcvbnm,./qwertyuiop[]\1234567890-=qwertyuiop[]\asdfghjkl;'zxcvbnm,./ |
| 21:11.39 | Kueken | however, this might return true on approach as well |
| 21:11.53 | Vailreth | i need to valaidate that interact is in use |
| 21:12.12 | Kueken | interact is a weird ability :/ |
| 21:12.22 | Vailreth | yeo |
| 21:12.27 | Vailreth | yep |
| 21:12.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster kjar (~steffi@81-64-226-133.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 21:13.05 | Kueken | well, no idea in this case |
| 21:13.18 | Kueken | not sure, if you can fetch the interact order |
| 21:15.13 | Taintedwisp | Hey vailreth, I dont know how your doing the grinds ability, but if its like I think, can you make it so that its an AOE like Psionic Storm? I dont want players to have to do it one at a time,and can you make it exclude hero units? |
| 21:15.34 | Taintedwisp | of course if you have a better way... go for it |
| 21:15.49 | Taintedwisp | just exclude hero units :P |
| 21:15.52 | Vailreth | its aoe around the grinder structure and it ignores heros |
| 21:15.57 | Taintedwisp | sweet |
| 21:16.46 | Taintedwisp | Another way you could consider is making the units go inside it similar to getting Vespene gas. so players just use the move command into it to eat their units |
| 21:16.58 | Kueken | :D |
| 21:17.05 | Kueken | make it not exclude missiles |
| 21:17.08 | Taintedwisp | all this is theory, lol |
| 21:17.23 | Kueken | shooting the grinder results in recycling the projectiles :D |
| 21:17.29 | Taintedwisp | remember, these 2 towers are your project :P, so they are your decisions |
| 21:18.43 | Vailreth | ok |
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| 21:38.55 | CryptRat | If I want to remove part of the Pylon model, do I need to use 3rd party software? |
| 21:40.11 | Taintedwisp | yup |
| 21:40.16 | CryptRat | Such as? |
| 21:40.21 | Taintedwisp | You can ask on the forums usually there is someone willing to cut it for you |
| 21:40.24 | Taintedwisp | 3ds maxx |
| 21:42.37 | *** join/#sc2mapster Iiris_Frost (~chatzilla@99-73-217-161.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:43.07 | Iiris_Frost | really sucks how blizzard said they'll help the mappers but then ignore them and won't help |
| 21:44.43 | Taintedwisp | They havent been ignoring anyone |
| 21:44.53 | Repo | New map: Battlecruiser interior - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/battlecruiser-interior/ |
| 21:44.53 | Repo | New map: Snow Blind - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/snow-blind/ |
| 21:44.56 | Iiris_Frost | bull |
| 21:45.00 | Taintedwisp | As long as the question is not about upcoming features |
| 21:45.04 | Iiris_Frost | They refuse to help me |
| 21:45.20 | Taintedwisp | Well quit talking junk, ask them nicely when you see they are here. |
| 21:45.38 | Taintedwisp | But i know that I have seen Deletarius take a look at your map and help you |
| 21:45.48 | CryptRat | They're supposed to be on this IRC? o_O |
| 21:46.07 | equinox1911 | look at who is in this chat |
| 21:46.10 | Taintedwisp | Yeah they ahve been here for the past 3 months |
| 21:46.12 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:46.29 | Taintedwisp | Blizz-Artestru and Blizz-Deletarius... those 2 have been helping tons |
| 21:46.38 | Taintedwisp | oops sorry artestru didnt mean to beep you |
| 21:47.01 | equinox1911 | everyone with Blizz- starting is most likely someone working for them ^^^ |
| 21:47.15 | equinox1911 | yeah i saw those two around a lot ! |
| 21:47.36 | Iiris_Frost | they now refuse to help |
| 21:47.48 | equinox1911 | mmm |
| 21:47.50 | Iiris_Frost | I've asked a ton and they simply ignore mappers |
| 21:48.00 | Taintedwisp | They have helped my every question... |
| 21:48.01 | Exaken | "mappers"? |
| 21:48.04 | Taintedwisp | sooooo yeahhhh |
| 21:48.07 | equinox1911 | i don't know what question u where asking |
| 21:48.35 | Iiris_Frost | has to do with the stupid UI xml editor |
| 21:48.37 | equinox1911 | but if its stuff that is documented either on sc2mapster or somewhere else .. |
| 21:48.49 | Iiris_Frost | its not documented |
| 21:50.01 | equinox1911 | .. |
| 21:50.50 | *** join/#sc2mapster Leru (Leru@dynamic-62-87-218-98.ssp.dialog.net.pl) |
| 21:51.17 | Leru | hello gents |
| 21:51.51 | Exaken | hello |
| 21:52.13 | Leru | what do you do Exaken? You have the same nick on mapster? |
| 21:52.32 | Exaken | my nick on mapster is the same as here:) |
| 21:53.23 | Leru | and what do you do? |
| 21:53.31 | Taintedwisp | His Nick on mapster... is Idodadirty |
| 21:54.00 | Hobrow | Exaken plays monobattle :D |
| 21:56.45 | Kueken | oh, Iiris is a special case ;) We had a whole task force set on his problem, including the blizzard devs. |
| 21:57.19 | Kueken | ended with just about everyone setting him on ignore, if I recall correctly |
| 21:57.42 | CryptRat | Pasted in actor did weird things. I had to change the model, save, change back before it would show up properly. >_> |
| 21:58.37 | Kueken | yeah, they do that some times |
| 21:58.50 | Blizz-Artestru | Hello :) |
| 21:59.21 | Blizz-Artestru | Iiris: What's up? |
| 21:59.24 | Kueken | thanks for reminding me, where are my manners? |
| 21:59.30 | Kueken | Welcome. |
| 22:01.41 | Blizz-Artestru | Hey Iiris, sorry if I missed you. Send me a PM if you come back and see this if you have a question, and I'll get to it as soon as I can. |
| 22:02.30 | CryptRat | You getting earthquakes there? |
| 22:02.37 | Leru | hehe well ok ;) |
| 22:03.43 | Kueken | Blizz-Artestru: I think it is still the same question from a couple of days ago about the empty faces inside item containers |
| 22:03.47 | Kueken | you remember? :) |
| 22:04.02 | Kueken | just guessing here, though |
| 22:04.16 | Blizz-Artestru | Right, yeah, I do remember. |
| 22:07.29 | Kueken | Blizz-Artestru: You don't happen to know anything about the new issues of attachments and site operations which came up with patch 1.4, do you? |
| 22:07.44 | Blizz-Artestru | Patch 1.4? |
| 22:07.53 | Kueken | typo |
| 22:07.58 | Blizz-Artestru | Figured, just confirming |
| 22:08.04 | Blizz-Artestru | What are these new issues? |
| 22:08.04 | Kueken | :) |
| 22:08.36 | Kueken | well, if you attach actors to other actors using the "old" method of attachment site operations |
| 22:08.53 | Kueken | while creating the actors in the same scope, for example via UnitBirth event |
| 22:09.15 | Kueken | and you happen to use local offset or explicit rotation site operations |
| 22:09.37 | Kueken | many models will not move along with the attachment points, as long as the unit is idle |
| 22:09.47 | Kueken | for example, when it plays an idle animation |
| 22:10.01 | Kueken | which moves the attachment point in question |
| 22:10.15 | Kueken | as soon as the unit moves, everything is attached correctly |
| 22:10.21 | Kueken | until it idles again |
| 22:10.34 | Kueken | this issue was present before for a couple of models |
| 22:10.41 | Kueken | mostly imported WoW models |
| 22:10.56 | Kueken | but now it seems to happen on a wide range of models |
| 22:11.15 | Kueken | do you follow? |
| 22:12.12 | Blizz-Artestru | Sorry was away for a second. |
| 22:12.14 | Blizz-Artestru | catching up now |
| 22:12.27 | Kueken | tell me, if I need to clarify |
| 22:12.35 | Kueken | I tend to overcomplicate things :) |
| 22:12.52 | Blizz-Artestru | No, that makes sense. |
| 22:13.02 | Kueken | okay |
| 22:13.16 | Blizz-Artestru | However, I don't know the answer, so I'm going to copy and paste what you wrote and send it to our tester to reproduce. |
| 22:13.23 | Kueken | thanks |
| 22:13.32 | Kueken | it happens an awful lot to me lately |
| 22:13.59 | Leru | just a quick question Kueken, how do you get the WarCraft .m3 file? |
| 22:14.15 | Kueken | currently fixing it by attaching invisible marines just about anywhere, these seem to work fine for everything :D |
| 22:14.43 | Kueken | Leru: What do you mean? Where to get the WC3 models? Or how to get them into SC2? |
| 22:15.03 | Leru | no, how do you create the m3 file :) |
| 22:15.26 | Leru | WarCraft III or WoW models? |
| 22:15.35 | Kueken | no idea, I guess, there is a 3dsmax plugin for that? |
| 22:15.56 | Leru | so you import the m2/mdx file and export it from max? |
| 22:16.02 | Kueken | I was talking about WoW models converted for SC2 earlier |
| 22:16.20 | Kueken | I am not that into modeling, I don't know exactly |
| 22:16.45 | Leru | so you actually don't do them yourself right? |
| 22:16.50 | Kueken | indeed |
| 22:16.54 | Leru | oh ok :) |
| 22:17.24 | Kueken | from what I have heard, extracting WoW models and converting them to SC2s .m3 format is easy, though |
| 22:17.42 | Leru | yeah but it may go messy |
| 22:17.44 | Kueken | using the wow model viewer or something |
| 22:17.53 | Kueken | afaik you don't even need max |
| 22:17.59 | Leru | oh that way, ok |
| 22:18.11 | Kueken | not sure though, I never did it |
| 22:18.39 | Vailreth | this makes no damn sense |
| 22:19.18 | Kueken | yes it does Vailreth |
| 22:19.22 | Kueken | to someone it does |
| 22:20.00 | Vailreth | ok then help me ... i am trying to use an enumerate area validator to check that there are no player heros in a raidus around a unit |
| 22:20.14 | Kueken | oh... enumerate area validators |
| 22:20.20 | Kueken | those are tricky :) |
| 22:20.32 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 22:20.49 | Kueken | they just do about anything exactly NOT the way, you would think they do |
| 22:21.09 | Iiris_Frost | :( |
| 22:21.27 | Kueken | wait, let me look up if I find a map where I tested those... |
| 22:21.38 | Kueken | it was a while back, I dont remember all the issues |
| 22:21.46 | Blizz-Artestru | Iiris, did you need help? |
| 22:22.33 | Kueken | highlight him properly |
| 22:22.36 | Kueken | Iiris_Frost: |
| 22:22.50 | Iiris_Frost | what Kueken? |
| 22:23.01 | Kueken | Blizz-Artestru is asking for you |
| 22:23.43 | Hobrow | good night everyone |
| 22:23.52 | Exaken | good night |
| 22:23.59 | Iiris_Frost | Why, blizzard isn't gonna help me |
| 22:24.19 | Blizz-Artestru | I work for Blizzard, and I am offering to help you. |
| 22:24.33 | Kueken | :D |
| 22:24.48 | Blizz-Artestru | I can't promise that I can solve your problem, but I will give it attention and possibly forward it to the appropriate people. |
| 22:24.54 | Kueken | Dèjá vù |
| 22:25.17 | Iiris_Frost | can't get anything to work in the UI editor |
| 22:25.24 | Kueken | man I hope I got those `´ right |
| 22:25.26 | Blizz-Artestru | Can you be more specific? |
| 22:25.41 | Iiris_Frost | can't move stuff, add/change images, etc |
| 22:25.42 | Leru | :) |
| 22:25.58 | Kueken | Vailreth: cannot find my map, going to make a new one |
| 22:26.14 | Blizz-Artestru | Okay, give me a moment to load the UI Editor |
| 22:26.42 | Blizz-Artestru | What specific layout are you trying to edit? |
| 22:26.48 | Blizz-Artestru | And what frame within that layout? |
| 22:27.00 | Iiris_Frost | mainly command card and inventory panels |
| 22:27.46 | Iiris_Frost | I want to make a mmo style action bar with a custom background |
| 22:27.52 | Blizz-Artestru | Okay, one moment. |
| 22:28.40 | Iiris_Frost | then change the background on the 1st item container and move the slots around to form a equipment panel. |
| 22:28.47 | Iiris_Frost | but nothing is working |
| 22:29.17 | Blizz-Artestru | Okay, I'm building a test case right now to confirm something. |
| 22:29.26 | Iiris_Frost | I've tried requesting someone on mapster to make a visual UI editor, but no one will |
| 22:29.53 | Kueken | a visual UI editor would be quite a piece of work |
| 22:30.06 | Kueken | and everyone is still hoping for Blizzard to do the honors :) |
| 22:30.16 | Blizz-Artestru | We announced one at BlizzCon 2011. |
| 22:30.18 | Iiris_Frost | but no one will make one cuz we have the xml editor |
| 22:30.48 | Iiris_Frost | never saw blizzard say anything about one |
| 22:31.42 | Iiris_Frost | also I want to make new buttons that will open certain UI panels |
| 22:31.48 | Blizz-Artestru | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWymJSal9IM&t=9m25s |
| 22:32.18 | Iiris_Frost | yea, he's using xml code |
| 22:32.25 | Blizz-Artestru | Keep watching. |
| 22:33.28 | Iiris_Frost | lol, easier to work with xml code? is he kidding me? really |
| 22:33.43 | Kueken | its faster, when you know what you are doing |
| 22:33.48 | Iiris_Frost | he must be joking |
| 22:33.54 | Iiris_Frost | no its not |
| 22:33.58 | Exaken | just keep watching |
| 22:34.15 | Iiris_Frost | visual editors are easier |
| 22:34.16 | Leru | :) |
| 22:34.21 | Kueken | they are easier to understand |
| 22:34.30 | Kueken | but not necessarily easier to work with |
| 22:34.39 | Kueken | take Gui triggers as an example |
| 22:34.46 | Kueken | easier to learn than galaxy script |
| 22:34.50 | Iiris_Frost | I only use GUI triggers |
| 22:34.59 | Kueken | but very annoying to work with in my opinion |
| 22:35.11 | Kueken | so for me, coding in galaxy script is easier |
| 22:35.15 | Iiris_Frost | GUI > galaxy |
| 22:35.35 | Blizz-Artestru | For some changes, working with XML is faster. For others, working with GUI is faster. It depends on the person and the task. |
| 22:35.42 | Kueken | but still, gui is definitely easier to learn, especially without programming experience |
| 22:35.48 | Iiris_Frost | doesn't help me atm |
| 22:35.52 | Blizz-Artestru | Anyway, Iiris_Frost, let's get back to your problem. |
| 22:36.01 | Kueken | Vailreth |
| 22:36.01 | Iiris_Frost | the UI xml editor is crap |
| 22:36.02 | Blizz-Artestru | So is the problem that when you try to type in XML view, nothing types? |
| 22:36.09 | Blizz-Artestru | That hurts my feelings. |
| 22:36.16 | Leru | Iiris_Frost: well, you know, that's just like a... your opinion maan :) |
| 22:37.15 | Iiris_Frost | I make a new layout, copy an existing frame over, edit value, nothing happens in-game |
| 22:37.44 | Blizz-Artestru | are you attempting to override a specific frame, such as the command card? |
| 22:37.50 | Iiris_Frost | correct |
| 22:37.57 | Blizz-Artestru | Okay, one second. |
| 22:38.18 | Iiris_Frost | I want to make the command card look like WoW's action bar |
| 22:38.45 | Iiris_Frost | tried to make new buttons but they won't show up in-game |
| 22:38.48 | Iiris_Frost | nothing works |
| 22:39.12 | Blizz-Artestru | Let me confirm something real quick. |
| 22:39.53 | Iiris_Frost | the current UI editor doesn't help |
| 22:43.17 | Blizz-Artestru | I'm still here, just working on something. |
| 22:45.35 | Vailreth | oh Yes Sorry |
| 22:45.46 | Vailreth | Kueken: |
| 22:46.22 | Kueken | I made a validator checking for nearby enemies, which seems to work quite well |
| 22:46.33 | Vailreth | mine works |
| 22:46.38 | Kueken | good |
| 22:46.43 | Kueken | :) |
| 22:46.53 | Vailreth | until the unit doing the checking changes owners from neutral |
| 22:47.18 | Kueken | then happens what? |
| 22:47.50 | Vailreth | the behavior remains disabled whether a hero is nearby or not |
| 22:48.12 | Kueken | owner change how? |
| 22:48.18 | Kueken | behavior or triggers |
| 22:48.22 | Vailreth | modify unit effect |
| 22:48.36 | Kueken | ...or that :) |
| 22:48.47 | Kueken | tried triggers? |
| 22:48.57 | Vailreth | not going to use triggers for this |
| 22:49.05 | Kueken | somehow data owner changes didn't work so well, when I tested |
| 22:49.20 | Vailreth | ive never had an issue with them |
| 22:49.30 | Vailreth | i think its the validator some how |
| 22:50.46 | Kueken | trying... |
| 22:51.01 | Vailreth | yeah it works fine with out the validator |
| 22:51.14 | Blizz-Artestru | Iiris_Frost: Sorry, I was trying to build you a working tutorial, but it was pointed out that one already exists: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/20323-ui-sc2layout-files-override-method-aiurchef-method/#w-tutorials |
| 22:51.32 | Iiris_Frost | thats before 1.5 |
| 22:51.45 | Vailreth | i have trried to use that tutoria with the ui editor it isnt good .. |
| 22:51.45 | Blizz-Artestru | The principles of the layout format haven't changed. |
| 22:51.58 | Blizz-Artestru | Oh? |
| 22:52.00 | Kueken | works for me, Vailreth |
| 22:52.02 | Vailreth | maybe its just me. |
| 22:52.26 | Vailreth | but i cant abstract from the tutorial how to use the UI editor xml |
| 22:52.56 | Blizz-Artestru | Iiris_Frost: Are you specifying the file when you override the command panel? |
| 22:53.01 | Vailreth | expecially when you cant reuse the name of an exitsing object |
| 22:53.06 | Iiris_Frost | huh? |
| 22:53.29 | Kueken | you just create a new ui object |
| 22:53.31 | Blizz-Artestru | Do you understand the basics of how to override an existing panel? |
| 22:53.42 | Kueken | then use the same override syntax as the tutorial |
| 22:53.50 | Blizz-Artestru | Correct |
| 22:54.21 | Blizz-Artestru | For example, from the tutorial: <Frame type="MinimapPanel" name="GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/MinimapPanel" file="GameUI"> |
| 22:54.29 | Blizz-Artestru | The name is the full path to the frame you are overriding. |
| 22:54.39 | Blizz-Artestru | And the "file" is the layout file it comes from, in this case GameUI. |
| 22:55.03 | Iiris_Frost | i just copy all the text in the layout (i.e. command card) |
| 22:55.16 | Blizz-Artestru | That won't work. |
| 22:55.20 | Blizz-Artestru | You need to override it |
| 22:55.52 | Kueken | Vailreth: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2xyvw9d7b7sbmch/Enumerate%20Area.SC2Map |
| 22:55.56 | Vailreth | i do not understand why there is a ui editor at all when the Aiur Cheff Method is to me a bit easier.. |
| 22:56.07 | Kueken | that would be similar to what you did, right? |
| 22:56.48 | Kueken | the aiurchef method is the same, you just dont import an external file anymore |
| 22:56.59 | Vailreth | not trying to complain i am just having serious trouble with the editor as it stands over importing the external files |
| 22:57.07 | Iiris_Frost | UI editing makes no sense |
| 22:57.08 | Blizz-Artestru | Correct. And the UI Editor released in 1.5, as was mentioned in the patch notes, is not 100% complete. |
| 22:58.01 | Blizz-Artestru | Iiris_Frost: My top suggestion is to read the tutorial to understand how the layout file works. |
| 22:58.14 | Blizz-Artestru | And how to properly override frames. |
| 22:58.38 | Blizz-Artestru | The only difference between that and now is that now you can add the files in the UI Editor rather than importing them manually. |
| 22:58.39 | Vailreth | i undertand .. i am not angry or demanding the finished product imediately i am just having trouble using it as it is ibelieve i tried using a path name and i couyldnt use the / or \ characters in the name field |
| 22:58.42 | Kueken | the hook panel to dialog thing is nice :) |
| 22:58.57 | Iiris_Frost | just created a new layout, added a new frame with type button, named it test. hit test map. see no new button in-game |
| 22:59.25 | Vailreth | im afraid its not that simple |
| 22:59.38 | Kueken | you override existing frames and buttons, I am not sure, if you can just add new ones at will |
| 22:59.52 | Blizz-Artestru | Here's a video tutorial on how to modify the command panel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s-fhLc1Ekg&feature=player_embedded |
| 23:00.14 | Blizz-Artestru | It actually does exactly what you're looking for. |
| 23:00.19 | Blizz-Artestru | It moves the buttons to the bottom. |
| 23:00.27 | Vailreth | new ones can be added but its VERY dificult for me to do so |
| 23:00.28 | Blizz-Artestru | The only difference is that now instead of using Notepad, you'd edit the files in the UI Editor. |
| 23:00.50 | Kueken | Vailreth: did you have a look at the map? |
| 23:01.02 | Blizz-Artestru | And you can skip any steps about importing the files to your map. Clicking "Add Layout" does that for you. |
| 23:01.09 | Vailreth | it would be nice if when you typed in or copy pasted in a new frame in a layout it was added to the tree |
| 23:01.29 | Vailreth | it hasnt downloaded yet sorry |
| 23:01.49 | Blizz-Artestru | Yeah, there's a lot more coming for the UI Editor. |
| 23:02.38 | Kueken | while we are doing the wish-list: Why do we have to set up models and stuff to swap textures? |
| 23:03.09 | Kueken | why not use an actor message which selects a specific texture path at the model and replaces it with another file? ;) |
| 23:03.49 | Kueken | I cannot seem to find a reason for this strange system with fixed slots, prefixes, substrings, texture objects etc etc |
| 23:04.17 | Iiris_Frost | no idea where he got frame's name from |
| 23:04.22 | Kueken | not to mention, its all set per texture file instead of per texture object, so you cannot even re-use it |
| 23:04.34 | Blizz-Artestru | The frame name is the full path of the frame if you follow all subframes |
| 23:04.52 | Blizz-Artestru | This tutorial explains naming quite well: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/20323-ui-sc2layout-files-override-method-aiurchef-method/#w-tutorials |
| 23:04.56 | Iiris_Frost | dunno where it came from though |
| 23:04.57 | Bommes | Kueken: Yeah thats what annoys me a lot too |
| 23:05.02 | Bommes | seems really unfinished |
| 23:05.13 | Bommes | the whole texture system |
| 23:05.24 | Kueken | I would like to understand the thought process behind that |
| 23:05.42 | Kueken | man I would love t be present, when the devs discuss this stuff |
| 23:05.57 | Blizz-Artestru | I didn't work on that system, so I can't really comment on the decisions made. |
| 23:05.58 | Kueken | "lets give the ability to swap textures on the fly" |
| 23:06.08 | Kueken | "great idea, but dont make it simple" |
| 23:06.24 | Blizz-Artestru | :( |
| 23:06.32 | Blizz-Artestru | Alright, so on that note, I'm going to head out! |
| 23:06.38 | Kueken | "lets find a damn complicated system that will take them months to figure out" |
| 23:06.42 | Kueken | :) |
| 23:06.44 | Kueken | bye |
| 23:06.50 | Blizz-Artestru | Good luck Iiris, hopefully you'll find your answers in the tutorials. |
| 23:07.45 | Iiris_Frost | how bout this one: "hey, lets allowing UI editing inside the editor." -> "great idea, but lets not provide a visual way to edit the UI for over a year and make the xml code very hard to work with." |
| 23:07.59 | Iiris_Frost | allow* |
| 23:08.16 | Vailreth | no luck Kueken |
| 23:08.37 | equinox1911 | complaining is easy though |
| 23:08.50 | Tomura | well it's not like you can make a visual UI editor in a short amount of time |
| 23:08.55 | Kueken | my validator works after taking control of a neutral or enemy unit |
| 23:09.15 | Vailreth | yours works |
| 23:09.20 | Vailreth | mine still wont |
| 23:09.28 | Iiris_Frost | they already made it, I was just shown a video |
| 23:09.31 | Kueken | mine works for you as well? |
| 23:09.35 | Vailreth | and making mine like yours didnt |
| 23:09.38 | Kueken | so what did I do differently |
| 23:10.06 | Kueken | tried re-doing from scratch? |
| 23:10.13 | Kueken | works wonders with this editor :/ |
| 23:11.05 | Vailreth | yes |
| 23:11.21 | Vailreth | i will try that |
| 23:12.37 | Iiris_Frost | that UI tutorial makes no sense |
| 23:12.55 | Vailreth | i am going to hobble next door and see about dinner |
| 23:14.45 | Vailreth | the thing is i need the behavior to be Off if there are hero units near by... and no mater what the valiadtor is acting as if the building it self were a hero or as if there were a hero in range when there is not |
| 23:15.33 | Vailreth | i see that you have that working but for balls i cant get mine too |
| 23:18.35 | Kueken | mine does that because it uses a Target is enemy validator in the area |
| 23:18.48 | Kueken | so it will naturally not include itself |
| 23:19.21 | Kueken | but still, your building is not a hero |
| 23:19.30 | Vailreth | nope |
| 23:19.34 | Kueken | so it shouldn't count, if you use a no hero validator |
| 23:19.44 | Kueken | *only hero |
| 23:20.00 | Vailreth | i use both a target is hero validator and hero required in the search filters |
| 23:20.08 | Kueken | also, make sure to NOT use the count in the area part |
| 23:20.17 | Kueken | it messes things up badly |
| 23:20.29 | Kueken | if you need a count, use the one outside of area |
| 23:23.14 | Vailreth | i am |
| 23:24.08 | Kueken | thought so... |
| 23:24.34 | Kueken | well, I remember some stuff with those validators that just doesnt made sense as well |
| 23:24.44 | Kueken | so they might be buggy somehow |
| 23:26.01 | Vailreth | this is driving me batty |
| 23:29.37 | Vailreth | finally darn it |
| 23:29.40 | Vailreth | now for food |
| 23:54.02 | equinox1911 | obama AMA on reddit , can't even load the 16k comment thread ^^ |
| 23:58.08 | Kueken | xD |
| 23:58.22 | Kueken | I first read "osama AMA on reddit" |
| 23:58.28 | Kueken | now that would be interesting |
