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| 15:11.58 | Taintedwisp | Aww.... theres no one to troll |
| 15:12.30 | Vailreth | hello world! |
| 15:12.51 | Blizz-Deletarius | morning everyone |
| 15:12.52 | Ahli | slaps a large trout around a bit with Vailreth |
| 15:12.53 | TheSkunk__ | Nobody to troll? |
| 15:13.08 | TheSkunk__ | There is a large amount of people here, some one must be good for trolling |
| 15:13.12 | TheSkunk__ | Morening Delete! :D |
| 15:13.21 | Blizz-Deletarius | hi friend |
| 15:13.33 | Ahli | good afternoon, early evening |
| 15:14.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | pffft |
| 15:14.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | you and your false time zones |
| 15:14.34 | Ahli | not my fault, if you get up that late |
| 15:14.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | finally beat a3 inferno last night :) |
| 15:15.15 | Ahli | I broke diablo last night ending in a cheap kill. |
| 15:15.47 | Ahli | he can't walk around edges... pathfinding defeated him |
| 15:16.22 | Ahli | left side? no, better right side.... no left side was better, better turn around again.... oh no, right side might be more evil, .... |
| 15:18.49 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 15:19.10 | Taintedwisp | Yeah your right, Theskunk__ loves men |
| 15:19.14 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 15:28.28 | Hobrow | Deletarius? |
| 15:28.46 | Hobrow | is David Kim back from gamescom? |
| 15:30.49 | TheSkunk__ | I imagine so, since Gamescom is over |
| 15:30.58 | TheSkunk__ | And has been for a couple of days |
| 15:31.05 | Ahli | ended sunday... |
| 15:31.07 | TheSkunk__ | (to allow for anything else he did post-gamescom) |
| 15:33.41 | Ahli | I saw him there last thursday. sat 4 rows behind him and freaked out internally... but I was the only one who noticed or cared... >_> but he left the place during the last match... |
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| 15:35.01 | Hobrow | I think in one interview he sad something about how many units they create and scrap while working on hots. how likely is it that we'll have access to their models (soul hunter from wol comes to my mind) |
| 15:35.35 | TheSkunk__ | Uhh, that depends how far into development they got before being scrapped |
| 15:35.40 | Bommes | hello |
| 15:35.57 | TheSkunk__ | Some scrapped WoL units made it into the editor, but some didn't |
| 15:36.07 | Hobrow | yeah like fatty |
| 15:36.09 | TheSkunk__ | I imagine the Shredder\Oracle for example, might be in the editor |
| 15:36.34 | TheSkunk__ | But who knows about the missile launcher thing they tried out |
| 15:36.40 | TheSkunk__ | we never even got to see that before it was scrapped |
| 15:36.55 | Hobrow | yeah thats why i asked |
| 15:37.46 | TheSkunk__ | Welp, I think they try to include as much of it as they can - at least, they said so in past interviews |
| 15:38.09 | TheSkunk__ | but sometimes they use major temporary art before the unit is ever scrapped so there isn't much see |
| 15:43.37 | Ahli | why is there no "no unit" preset for unit as parameters? I don't mind to write null into custom script, but non-programming mappers might be screwed at that point |
| 15:44.27 | Taintedwisp | The oracle was removed? |
| 15:44.30 | Taintedwisp | didnt know that |
| 15:44.32 | TheSkunk__ | err |
| 15:44.36 | TheSkunk__ | I mean replicant |
| 15:44.39 | TheSkunk__ | sorry |
| 15:44.41 | Taintedwisp | OHHH |
| 15:44.47 | Taintedwisp | The Changeling wannabe, taht can attack? |
| 15:44.50 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 15:45.01 | TheSkunk__ | Except the changeling can |
| 15:45.06 | TheSkunk__ | can't morph into a tank |
| 15:45.07 | Taintedwisp | I forget did they ever decide to keep the carrier? |
| 15:45.14 | TheSkunk__ | Only marine\zealot\zling |
| 15:45.17 | TheSkunk__ | Nope |
| 15:45.20 | Taintedwisp | dammit |
| 15:45.26 | Taintedwisp | its my favorite unit in the game.. |
| 15:45.26 | TheSkunk__ | They still say they *might* decide to keep it |
| 15:45.35 | TheSkunk__ | But thats probably just to tease carrier lovers |
| 15:45.40 | Taintedwisp | That sucks ass, now I am defenseless in 4v4s against... MMM!!!! |
| 15:45.47 | TheSkunk__ | I guess if the tempest fails, they'll probably add it back in |
| 15:45.49 | Taintedwisp | it was the onlything that mutalated the MMM balls |
| 15:45.53 | TheSkunk__ | But if the tempest works out, they wont |
| 15:46.06 | Taintedwisp | The tempest isnt a replacement, it doenst serve the same role |
| 15:46.55 | Taintedwisp | THe carrier, has always been a scramble unit one that can take high damage, and do high damage, its T4, the Tempest... is weaker then a seige tank and not cost effective whatsoever |
| 15:47.00 | Taintedwisp | oh well |
| 15:47.35 | TheSkunk__ | eh |
| 15:47.42 | TheSkunk__ | I try not to knock units like that without trying them |
| 15:47.55 | TheSkunk__ | It doesn't really serve the same role |
| 15:47.59 | Taintedwisp | Well from the battle reports, I have yet to see one be cost effective |
| 15:48.06 | TheSkunk__ | But they are both capital ships, so they need at least 1 of them |
| 15:48.21 | Taintedwisp | yeah, but in protoss there is a need for both of them |
| 15:48.22 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 15:48.29 | TheSkunk__ | which is why I said if the tempest goes out the carrier wil go in, even though they function differently |
| 15:48.31 | Ahli | Blizz-Artestru, why is there no "no unit" preset for unit as parameters? I don't mind to write null into custom script, but non-programmer mappers might be screwed at that point. |
| 15:48.38 | Taintedwisp | THen again I am the same guy who thinks they sould have just allowed the mothership to land and turn into a nexus |
| 15:48.39 | TheSkunk__ | The tempest will require good control to use |
| 15:48.40 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 15:49.06 | Taintedwisp | I still dont understand why the mothership cant land into a nexus... lol |
| 15:49.18 | Taintedwisp | Would be a great ability, great for Taking hard to get expansions |
| 15:49.20 | TheSkunk__ | but you can EASILY snipe colossus, tanks, thors, battlecruisors, broodlords, ultralisks and other high cost units from long range even though it doesn't do much damage |
| 15:49.21 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 15:49.27 | Ahli | that's totally like stargate then |
| 15:49.37 | Taintedwisp | yeha with about 8 of them.. |
| 15:49.38 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 15:49.41 | Ahli | mothership landing on pyramid... |
| 15:49.44 | Taintedwisp | They do around the same damage as a single marine |
| 15:49.47 | TheSkunk__ | So it does little damage, but it seems like it is hard let it die with good control |
| 15:49.58 | TheSkunk__ | and it can snipe high cost units, making it cost effective |
| 15:50.04 | TheSkunk__ | but this is in theory |
| 15:50.10 | TheSkunk__ | obivously if the numbers don't work out |
| 15:50.16 | Taintedwisp | Yeha, if your Ball can hold out long enough |
| 15:50.16 | TheSkunk__ | it will either suck or be terribly OP |
| 15:50.16 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 15:50.26 | TheSkunk__ | in which case it would simply have to be scrapped.. |
| 15:50.28 | Taintedwisp | Yeha, Either way I just dont see it really working out. |
| 15:50.39 | Taintedwisp | No need to scrap |
| 15:50.42 | Taintedwisp | Wow... lool |
| 15:50.55 | TheSkunk__ | Well, it sounds impluasible, but if they *did* make it work |
| 15:50.55 | Taintedwisp | The Tempest should be a morph on the phenoix |
| 15:51.01 | TheSkunk__ | I honestly have no problem with it |
| 15:51.04 | Taintedwisp | then it would be cool |
| 15:51.23 | Taintedwisp | a 400/400 upgrade where the pheniox can change back and forth to a tempest |
| 15:51.26 | TheSkunk__ | I just don't want to judge from the battle reports wether it is going to or not |
| 15:51.50 | TheSkunk__ | becuase it can easily be made cheaper or have higher damage if that is your only complaint, and it wasn't used very good in either of the battle reports |
| 15:51.55 | Taintedwisp | I dunno, but both battles I watched, it didnt do enough. and they were playing it smart, I can only imagine how idiots like myself will use it |
| 15:52.15 | zenx1 | tempest is gona be shit unit Ill tel lya |
| 15:52.21 | Taintedwisp | I mean Im not raging, or hating.... but I just dont see it |
| 15:52.30 | Taintedwisp | I think it would have been better as just a phenoix morph |
| 15:52.30 | zenx1 | they will nerf it to nothingness ill tell ya |
| 15:52.34 | TheSkunk__ | Yeah |
| 15:52.42 | TheSkunk__ | I'm guessing thats what will happen myself |
| 15:52.52 | TheSkunk__ | It will start out being useful, more useful then people expect |
| 15:52.59 | TheSkunk__ | but it will be nerfed into a bland useless unit |
| 15:53.10 | Taintedwisp | maybe, I just dont like what its costing us... one of my most used units |
| 15:53.16 | Taintedwisp | that always waffle stomps people |
| 15:53.17 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 15:53.23 | TheSkunk__ | haha.. well, nobody likes units to be removed D: |
| 15:53.30 | Taintedwisp | The carrier is AMAZING for team battles... |
| 15:53.38 | Taintedwisp | But they arent trying ot balance team battles :( |
| 15:53.50 | Ahli | mc and taeja played BC vs carriers on gamescom ;D |
| 15:53.52 | TheSkunk__ | Thors were going to be practically removed, mothership was going to be removed, overseers were going to be removed |
| 15:53.58 | TheSkunk__ | and they went back on all of those |
| 15:53.59 | zenx1 | I dont mind removing carrier it was pretty rare to see them used |
| 15:54.02 | Ahli | no wait... puma |
| 15:54.06 | TheSkunk__ | Because nobody wants a unit removed |
| 15:54.07 | Ahli | mc and puma |
| 15:54.10 | zenx1 | but tempest...I would have liked something else for replacemenet |
| 15:54.19 | Taintedwisp | I love the Carrier... its an Iconic unit |
| 15:54.38 | Taintedwisp | Or atleast do like they did for the Dragoon and the immortal, put some freakin story behind it atleast... give us a reason |
| 15:55.08 | zenx1 | but I love the battle hellion model |
| 15:55.09 | zenx1 | so cool |
| 15:55.17 | zenx1 | its like as cool as viking ^^ |
| 15:55.19 | Taintedwisp | Yeha the battle hellion, I like it, Only because its a morph |
| 15:55.30 | TheSkunk__ | Eh.. I do find the idea of something with long range for sniping units to be a cool idea (would love a good way to kill broodlords, tanks, colossi from a range) |
| 15:55.31 | Taintedwisp | Otherwise it would have been.. just re-add the firebat |
| 15:55.31 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 15:55.40 | TheSkunk__ | But I sometimes wish |
| 15:55.46 | TheSkunk__ | the voidray could simply do it |
| 15:55.49 | TheSkunk__ | ._. |
| 15:55.49 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 15:55.53 | TheSkunk__ | It does bonus vs massive |
| 15:55.56 | Taintedwisp | The carrier can do it... |
| 15:55.56 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 15:56.07 | TheSkunk__ | Except the carrier sucks, but yeah |
| 15:56.16 | Taintedwisp | All the carrier needed was a speed upgrade |
| 15:56.23 | Taintedwisp | From like .6 to .9 |
| 15:56.26 | Taintedwisp | then it would have been good |
| 15:56.36 | Taintedwisp | Whatever its speed is right now, 150% that |
| 15:56.36 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 15:56.49 | Taintedwisp | around the same speed of the BC |
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| 15:57.58 | Taintedwisp | I mean its not going to stop me from getting, Hots, but I just htink its lame |
| 15:58.08 | Taintedwisp | I also think its lame that there are no new buidlings... |
| 15:58.26 | Taintedwisp | That made it feel like less of an expansion |
| 15:58.44 | TheSkunk__ | Well, I wouldn't be tooo suprised if there were some new buildings simply for the purpose of tech requirements in the end.. but I don't know |
| 15:59.25 | TheSkunk__ | Mothership core almost counted as a new building before |
| 15:59.33 | zenx1 | I wonder if I could get my video up on mapster tomorrow |
| 15:59.34 | TheSkunk__ | Now it can actually move like a unit :( |
| 15:59.42 | zenx1 | I dont feel like making a video when its newsed like 1 month later |
| 16:03.37 | Blizz-Deletarius | I'm sad about moving burrowed banelings |
| 16:03.45 | Blizz-Deletarius | sooooo sad :( |
| 16:03.54 | TheSkunk__ | Haha |
| 16:04.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | I was going to do that EVERY game |
| 16:04.12 | Blizz-Deletarius | like, that would be what I just...did... |
| 16:04.12 | zenx1 | btw |
| 16:04.36 | TheSkunk__ | I knew it wouldn't make it though as soon as I heard it, so I didn't get my hopes up.. :( |
| 16:04.37 | zenx1 | Dont you think its ridiculously stupid to have NEWEST map showing on open games |
| 16:04.53 | zenx1 | it like feeds on the most popular maps (the games get created constantly) |
| 16:04.58 | zenx1 | its about time you would pass it on |
| 16:05.03 | zenx1 | to make it rotate or something |
| 16:05.27 | Ahli | they try to sneak in the old popularity list again ;D |
| 16:05.28 | zenx1 | Blizz-Deletarius: that was ment to you, pass it on |
| 16:05.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | gotcha |
| 16:05.59 | TheSkunk__ | Ats right, you show 'im zenx! |
| 16:06.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | well, that's not my domain unfortunately |
| 16:06.06 | TheSkunk__ | Pass it on, lazy lout! |
| 16:06.08 | TheSkunk__ | :P |
| 16:06.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | o_O |
| 16:06.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | sorry |
| 16:06.22 | zenx1 | rotating would be fine with me imo. But it would be great if you would just pass it on to someone who could do something about it |
| 16:06.23 | Blizz-Deletarius | is a lazy lout. |
| 16:06.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok, so explain to me what the core issue is from your perspective |
| 16:07.00 | TheSkunk__ | Now we is getting started :) |
| 16:07.15 | Ahli | can't see games with people waiting longer in their games without clicking show more/text a few times |
| 16:07.54 | TheSkunk__ | The core issue is that less popular maps automatically don't fill as fast as high-popularity maps, and the longer they take to fill the lower they will fall on the list. The lower on the list they are, the less they benefit from the Open Games List (Though they never stop benefiting from it entirely) |
| 16:08.05 | zenx1 | rotating list would be way superior. The problem is popular maps get constantly made = they are always on top. And popular maps will get played even without the open games they got already so much visibility, so would make sense to give all maps better chance! |
| 16:08.07 | TheSkunk__ | Whereas high popularity games fill fast enough that they never drop low on the list |
| 16:08.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | and also, what is it that you're actually trying to fix or accomplish? what change are you trying to make and make better? |
| 16:08.31 | Ahli | goal: fill up the games that wait the longest |
| 16:08.44 | TheSkunk__ | Right |
| 16:08.48 | zenx1 | and the show more button is a bit weird to me. I would prefer if I could just roll around the whole list |
| 16:08.59 | zenx1 | if I refresh I need to press show more again |
| 16:09.03 | zenx1 | not really user friendly is it? |
| 16:09.05 | TheSkunk__ | It simply doesn't seem fair to make it the *longer* you wait, the *less* chance you get to play |
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| 16:09.25 | TheSkunk__ | So simply making the list *random* would be better then *punishing* players that wait a long time in less popular maps |
| 16:09.26 | zenx1 | yes its pretty much like that "longer you wait, less chance you get to play" |
| 16:09.29 | Ahli | zenx, that creates more traffic. it might be good as it is from a technical point of view |
| 16:09.31 | zenx1 | thats good way of putting it |
| 16:09.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | so |
| 16:09.47 | TheSkunk__ | Of course, it is *still possible* to get games filled when you are lower on the list |
| 16:09.51 | Blizz-Deletarius | let me explain something about "random" haha |
| 16:10.08 | Blizz-Deletarius | at GDC09 I listened to a presentation by Jeff Kaplan |
| 16:10.10 | TheSkunk__ | Well, Delete, I don't actually recommend randomness per say myself |
| 16:10.53 | TheSkunk__ | But yes, just because something is random doesn't mean you can't get the same value 100 times in a row, which is what a lot of people don't get about randomness |
| 16:10.58 | Blizz-Deletarius | one of the things that he mentioned with WoW was that say you have a quest that has a requirement that you obtain 5 ox tails, and the ox tails are not a guaranteed drop every time you kill an ox |
| 16:11.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | ie, there's a random chance that you'll get that thing |
| 16:11.31 | Blizz-Deletarius | the problem is, some people will randomly get their 5 tails with the first 7 oxen they kill |
| 16:11.43 | Blizz-Deletarius | other people will take 35 to get the 5, others even longer |
| 16:11.50 | zenx1 | Is this related to open games list or something? :D |
| 16:11.53 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes |
| 16:12.06 | TheSkunk__ | Eh... |
| 16:12.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | you say that you want it to be randomized, the problem is that there's zero structure with that randomization |
| 16:12.17 | TheSkunk__ | I know how randomness works, but my complaint about the list still holds |
| 16:12.23 | zenx1 | noooo why would it have to be random |
| 16:12.27 | zenx1 | just ROTATE |
| 16:12.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | it could be randomized and you'd still get the same maps at the same places |
| 16:12.37 | zenx1 | put bottom to top like every 3 mins or so |
| 16:13.19 | zenx1 | or another idea would be to put oldest first |
| 16:13.24 | zenx1 | but im not sure how that would go |
| 16:13.28 | zenx1 | not big fan of that |
| 16:13.31 | TheSkunk__ | I agree, randomness is not how I would fix the issue |
| 16:13.38 | TheSkunk__ | But that doesn't mean the issue isn't there o.0 |
| 16:13.49 | zenx1 | but definetly would like to pop those who wait in lobby somewhere a bit more visible |
| 16:14.10 | zenx1 | in wc3 you could refresh yourself which resulted you getting to the top every now and then |
| 16:14.27 | zenx1 | the refresh system was stupid ofc (if done with scripts it didnt cause any problems thou) |
| 16:14.43 | zenx1 | but blizzard should just add "refresh" like every 1 min or so |
| 16:15.51 | Blizz-Deletarius | is this a manually initiated refresh on the end-user side or something done server side automatically? |
| 16:16.08 | TheSkunk__ | Could be either way, but I'd prefer manual |
| 16:16.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | and is it the game joiners who are refreshing or the hosters? |
| 16:16.14 | TheSkunk__ | Simply because then if the host was AFK |
| 16:16.15 | ducky | well manual refresh would just look silly |
| 16:16.19 | TheSkunk__ | his map would not be at the top |
| 16:16.27 | zenx1 | yes |
| 16:16.33 | zenx1 | no point in manual refresh |
| 16:16.35 | ducky | "press this button every minute or else you won't be played" |
| 16:16.56 | zenx1 | I just gave example how it was in wc3 |
| 16:16.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | I'm just trying to figure out exactly what you guys are trying to accomplish ;) |
| 16:17.13 | zenx1 | now I feel like you are not even taking us seriosly |
| 16:17.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | ie get to the root of the problem |
| 16:17.18 | Blizz-Deletarius | no |
| 16:17.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | look |
| 16:17.21 | zenx1 | but I think it would be superior |
| 16:17.43 | TheSkunk__ | We are simply trying to accomplish that if your map doesn't fill before it drops off of the first page, you have less visibility and less chance of getting people to join |
| 16:17.48 | TheSkunk__ | the solution is irrelevent |
| 16:17.59 | ducky | Dele, you host a map you want to play,1 minute later map is at the bottom of the list where players need to click "show more" 2 times before they even see it |
| 16:18.17 | ducky | which makes it unlikely that map will get much exposure |
| 16:18.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | so in usability, a lot of times, people have an issue or a problem with the software or system at hand and they want to change it, so in order to best address the issue and come up with actionable information, you need to establish the core issues so that you can work on obtaining a solution |
| 16:18.35 | TheSkunk__ | Well, I thought we did that at the start o.0 |
| 16:18.46 | Blizz-Deletarius | these aren't trolling questions that I'm asking you, they're important |
| 16:18.59 | TheSkunk__ | 07<zenx1> 02yes its pretty much like that "longer you wait, less chance you get to play"01 |
| 16:19.08 | TheSkunk__ | That is pretty much what we defined the issue as |
| 16:19.14 | TheSkunk__ | before we got into arguing about the solution |
| 16:19.18 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok, so then let me get this straight |
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| 16:19.41 | TheSkunk__ | Sure o.0 I've been trying to work along with you and awnser your questions not just fight about it |
| 16:19.44 | ducky | I'd just be happy if we could scroll by default, instead of "show more" |
| 16:19.49 | zenx1 | Personally I would have even considered adding filters to "popular maps" since they always get created by being so popular. but I still think rotating system would be fair for everyone |
| 16:20.00 | zenx1 | now its more advatange to already well established maps |
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| 16:20.06 | zenx1 | which dont really even need the system |
| 16:20.19 | zenx1 | they even got their own page where you can join |
| 16:20.29 | TheSkunk__ | And to be honest, I don't feel that strongly about it |
| 16:20.34 | Blizz-Deletarius | what you want really, is a way for if you have a game that's been created for a while (say 2 mins) and people aren't joining, to regain visibility for a short-period of time, so that others can potentially join your game |
| 16:20.35 | TheSkunk__ | Because I am able to get my map to fill |
| 16:20.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | is that right? |
| 16:20.38 | TheSkunk__ | even this way |
| 16:20.43 | zenx1 | yes |
| 16:20.47 | TheSkunk__ | Yep! |
| 16:20.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok |
| 16:21.13 | TheSkunk__ | We could've saved a lot of trouble if that is all you were getting stuck on |
| 16:21.14 | TheSkunk__ | :P |
| 16:21.14 | Blizz-Deletarius | see? I had to ask some questions to figure it out - the mechanism is important though |
| 16:21.18 | Blizz-Deletarius | well |
| 16:21.23 | Blizz-Deletarius | that's just the basis of it |
| 16:21.41 | zenx1 | yes one could consider putting new maps bottom of the rotation which might be better than putting them first in rotation |
| 16:21.58 | TheSkunk__ | 01I had said earlier "The core issue is that less popular maps automatically don't fill as fast as high-popularity maps, and the longer they take to fill the lower they will fall on the list. The lower on the list they are, the less they benefit from the Open Games List (Though they never stop benefiting from it entirely)01" |
| 16:22.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | the thing though is, and the reason why I was asking about potential mechanisms of action for this is the technological limitations of the system that we currently have, work that would be required for it to work correctly, etc |
| 16:22.12 | TheSkunk__ | Which I thought pretty much said the same thing as the conclusion we came to now |
| 16:22.44 | TheSkunk__ | ableit less clearly :P |
| 16:22.52 | zenx1 | from my experience I get usually couple players when I re-create the map (I get back to top list that way) |
| 16:22.59 | Blizz-Deletarius | before I make a suggestion on our end, I want to know what type of work would be required |
| 16:22.59 | zenx1 | and when its bottom, i need to wait longer |
| 16:23.06 | zenx1 | dont have any big sample thou |
| 16:23.37 | zenx1 | fair enough |
| 16:24.06 | Blizz-Deletarius | hmmmm, let me check something in-game...I theoretically may have a solution |
| 16:24.52 | zenx1 | this is actually pretty nice to atleast chat about it, wheter it actually even gets updated |
| 16:24.52 | TheSkunk__ | I am glad we can have discussions like this.. It really is nice to be able to talk to the devs in here |
| 16:25.17 | TheSkunk__ | also, my hands taste like chicken crap right now |
| 16:25.18 | TheSkunk__ | brb |
| 16:26.17 | Bommes | I think I |
| 16:26.22 | Bommes | really didn't want to know that |
| 16:26.56 | Vailreth | hah |
| 16:29.26 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok, so, I have an idea about potentially how to solve or at least make the situation better, BUT |
| 16:29.35 | Blizz-Deletarius | can't discuss it atm |
| 16:29.48 | Blizz-Deletarius | don't want to get your hopes up if it doesn't happen, etc |
| 16:29.49 | zenx1 | hard to give opinion about it then lol |
| 16:30.02 | ducky | we have no hopes, so don't be afraid :/ |
| 16:30.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | it'd be like promising you guys a puppy and then not being able to give it to you |
| 16:30.14 | Blizz-Deletarius | anyway, afk |
| 16:30.20 | zenx1 | yea they are pretty low at this point (hopes that is) |
| 16:30.42 | Bommes | depressed much? |
| 16:30.50 | zenx1 | I am |
| 16:30.52 | zenx1 | life sucks |
| 16:31.44 | zenx1 | interesting fact. If I decide "I can do it like 1h from now...Ill just watch this video" then I never get anything done |
| 16:32.12 | zenx1 | Like I was planning on doing some school work today |
| 16:32.18 | zenx1 | but seems like I was mistaken |
| 16:32.49 | TheSkunk__ | I wonder if we could simulate the wc3-style of refreshing |
| 16:32.53 | TheSkunk__ | by adding AI players |
| 16:32.56 | TheSkunk__ | rather then closing slots |
| 16:32.57 | TheSkunk__ | :P |
| 16:33.00 | zenx1 | lol |
| 16:33.06 | zenx1 | please dont suggest anythign like that |
| 16:33.11 | TheSkunk__ | nono |
| 16:33.15 | TheSkunk__ | not as a permanent solution |
| 16:33.18 | Ahli | rofl ;D |
| 16:33.22 | TheSkunk__ | ie as in right now, as a work around |
| 16:33.36 | Bommes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1VtyHCjF6s |
| 16:33.51 | zenx1 | I guess anything goes as long as its not too teadious to do and works... |
| 16:34.04 | zenx1 | lol bom |
| 16:34.18 | TheSkunk__ | Don't worry 07Bommes01, it was simple as mundane as the fact that I was indeed handling poopy chickens (chicks) and apparently I needed to wash my hands more then once.. x_x |
| 16:34.27 | TheSkunk__ | that, combined with my bad habit of chewing nails |
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| 16:34.51 | zenx1 | btw |
| 16:34.58 | zenx1 | Im thinking of starting new project again |
| 16:35.01 | Bommes | @TheSkunk__ I'm really not sure if that makes it better in my mind :D |
| 16:35.04 | zenx1 | since my RPG is good enough for now |
| 16:35.16 | zenx1 | need to take break from it to clear my vision ^^ |
| 16:35.36 | TheSkunk__ | City boy! |
| 16:35.40 | zenx1 | I would make a zombie survival |
| 16:35.46 | TheSkunk__ | City Slicker is a better term, I guess |
| 16:35.47 | zenx1 | but anyone got ideas how to make random terrain |
| 16:35.56 | TheSkunk__ | I bet you think they just grow chickens at the store |
| 16:36.04 | TheSkunk__ | pre-packaged |
| 16:36.07 | Motive | zenx1: randomize map height? |
| 16:36.12 | zenx1 | no |
| 16:36.14 | zenx1 | like all objects |
| 16:36.24 | zenx1 | its pretty damn hard to do a decent randomized terrain |
| 16:36.58 | zenx1 | like it needs to have lots of stuff not just 1 -3 trees places somewhere |
| 16:37.02 | zenx1 | but like a city |
| 16:38.09 | ducky | it's pretty hard to do random city without being able to change terrain textures in-game |
| 16:38.22 | zenx1 | that too... |
| 16:38.47 | zenx1 | but its the obstacle that prevents me on starting my zombie survival map |
| 16:38.57 | zenx1 | I cannot be really happy with it if its not random terrain |
| 16:38.57 | ducky | though you can always neglext some of aestetics |
| 16:39.14 | ducky | *neglect |
| 16:39.19 | Blizz-Artestru | Morning all |
| 16:39.26 | zenx1 | evening |
| 16:39.31 | ducky | evening arterasu |
| 16:39.37 | Blizz-Artestru | :) |
| 16:39.38 | ducky | D: |
| 16:39.45 | ducky | I always misspel peoples nicknames |
| 16:39.47 | ducky | :/ |
| 16:39.51 | zenx1 | yea |
| 16:40.00 | zenx1 | I was just thinking "nope...thats not correct" |
| 16:40.29 | ducky | *artestru, there, better late than never :D |
| 16:41.21 | Blizz-Artestru | Arterasu is a cool name, too. |
| 16:41.27 | Ahli | Blizz-Artestru, why is there no "no unit" preset for unit as parameters? I don't mind to write null into custom script, but non-programmer mappers might be screwed at that point. ->afk |
| 16:41.59 | zenx1 | I think you can set variables to no unit |
| 16:42.03 | zenx1 | cant you? or what? |
| 16:42.07 | Blizz-Artestru | Err, that's really true? |
| 16:42.15 | ducky | I think you blizz guys have most complicated names out of everyone who is here :/ |
| 16:42.41 | zenx1 | you jelly? |
| 16:42.41 | ducky | I'm sure you can, and I got no idea about what worries Ahli :D |
| 16:42.59 | zenx1 | me neither |
| 16:43.07 | TheSkunk__ | I just think of them as Delete and Art |
| 16:43.41 | TheSkunk__ | Although I am able to short of get their full names |
| 16:43.44 | zenx1 | ducky: you ´been working on anything? |
| 16:43.59 | TheSkunk__ | Without looking, I pronocethem Delet-tarius and Art-rest-ru |
| 16:44.19 | ckSynergy | Ahli: no unit is a preset |
| 16:44.23 | ckSynergy | for parameters |
| 16:44.26 | ducky | well, if you can count 2h in last 2 weeks as working, then yes, I've been doing some stuff |
| 16:44.39 | ckSynergy | when you set it up, make sure at the bottom, you add it to the list of allowed presets |
| 16:44.40 | ducky | *if you consider.. |
| 16:44.51 | Ahli | I want to pass a "no unit" to my own custom action definition |
| 16:44.55 | Ahli | not there |
| 16:45.10 | zenx1 | cant you set default value? |
| 16:45.11 | zenx1 | to no unit |
| 16:45.19 | ckSynergy | it starts off defaulted to no unit |
| 16:45.22 | zenx1 | and then just put nothing to there... |
| 16:45.32 | Ahli | I disable default values for my parameters |
| 16:45.41 | ckSynergy | but also, if you want it selectable as a preset, you have to allow it in the action definition |
| 16:45.47 | Ahli | but still the preset of "no unit" should appear in the list |
| 16:46.00 | TheSkunk__ | Ohhh, catch this Deletarius: "all the mods did is troll and triple post. childish behavior for a team that decides the banlist." |
| 16:46.04 | zenx1 | i remember having that problem once too |
| 16:46.06 | TheSkunk__ | He appears to be mad at you. |
| 16:46.08 | ckSynergy | >.> |
| 16:46.15 | zenx1 | but who cares...just throw one no-unit variable there :E |
| 16:46.28 | ckSynergy | Ahli: It does |
| 16:46.54 | zenx1 | ckSynergy: I thnk it doesnt with action definitions |
| 16:46.59 | zenx1 | it does with variables |
| 16:47.02 | ckSynergy | I know it does. I just checked |
| 16:47.03 | zenx1 | which is interesting |
| 16:47.48 | Ahli | hang on... uploading picture |
| 16:47.48 | Bommes | @ckSynergy Where? |
| 16:47.54 | Ahli | http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7410/whereisyourgodnow.png |
| 16:47.55 | Bommes | Doesn't show up for me |
| 16:48.09 | ckSynergy | Ok, quick tutorial |
| 16:48.19 | ckSynergy | make an action definition, add a parameter, set it to |
| 16:48.20 | Bommes | Don't be so cynical in your image names :D |
| 16:48.21 | ckSynergy | "unit" |
| 16:48.25 | Ahli | :D |
| 16:48.28 | Bommes | yes, I did that |
| 16:48.36 | zenx1 | lol |
| 16:48.42 | ckSynergy | at the bottom, where it says "allowed presets", right click and click "add preset" |
| 16:48.49 | ckSynergy | by default, no presets are enabled for parameters |
| 16:49.02 | ckSynergy | in the new window that pops up, select "no unit" |
| 16:49.04 | ckSynergy | click ok |
| 16:49.06 | Bommes | ah :) |
| 16:49.08 | Bommes | cool, thanks |
| 16:49.12 | ckSynergy | Now go add your action definition in a trigger |
| 16:49.24 | Bommes | never saw that list |
| 16:49.25 | ckSynergy | when you click the parameter field, you can now choose "no unit" as an option |
| 16:49.35 | Ahli | ahh there is something, indeed |
| 16:49.46 | Ahli | I never moved it that far upwards |
| 16:49.54 | ckSynergy | lol yea |
| 16:49.59 | ckSynergy | took me forever to figure that one out |
| 16:50.03 | Ahli | I only need to see the whole text in that screen ;D |
| 16:50.37 | Ahli | but why aren't the default presets in that list, if I use a default parameter type like unit :S |
| 16:50.43 | Ahli | anyway, afk |
| 16:50.55 | ckSynergy | Ahli: because it doesnt know what preset you want |
| 16:51.09 | ckSynergy | In short, there are a LOT of presets |
| 16:51.30 | ckSynergy | and setting up an action definition is almost along the lines of actual programming |
| 16:51.45 | G0A | Ahli lol people still use ICQ :D |
| 16:51.49 | ckSynergy | So, when you define an action definition, it has nothing to say "this is what my preset should be" |
| 16:52.22 | ckSynergy | But yea, they might be able to work around that by pulling presets from the parameter type list and automatically adding them |
| 16:52.25 | ckSynergy | but then it gets messy |
| 16:52.52 | ckSynergy | anyway, when you start utilizing presets, youll be glad its not automatically added |
| 16:54.09 | ckSynergy | also, action definitions tie presets to parameters. |
| 16:54.17 | ckSynergy | Unless you want a really laggy editor... |
| 16:54.40 | ckSynergy | its best it doesnt loop through every function to find your preset |
| 16:54.54 | ckSynergy | a perset is only an integer value with a string name so its easy to identify |
| 16:54.58 | ckSynergy | *preset |
| 16:55.03 | ckSynergy | hey, want to know something cool? |
| 16:55.09 | zenx1 | lol at jay wilson |
| 16:55.29 | zenx1 | apparently he got pretty mad from original diablo creator cirticizing d3 |
| 16:55.41 | zenx1 | ”FUCK THAT LOSER” |
| 16:55.45 | zenx1 | he said apparently :D |
| 16:55.49 | zenx1 | in facebook |
| 16:55.54 | zenx1 | and now apoligizing |
| 16:56.00 | zenx1 | losing my faith in d3 even more :D |
| 16:56.07 | zenx1 | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6398870250#1 |
| 16:56.41 | ckSynergy | Here's a trick for your variables that are arrays. If you want to keep organized, you can define a preset, add your values, thenuse those values inside array indexes |
| 16:57.05 | ckSynergy | for example, I have a preset with the following values "Find","My","Cheese" |
| 16:57.18 | ckSynergy | Then I make a variable, set it to array size 2 |
| 16:57.33 | ckSynergy | Then when I click the array index, I can click over to presets and set it to my new preset |
| 16:57.37 | ckSynergy | So it looks like this |
| 16:57.57 | ckSynergy | Set _MyVariable[Cheese][Find]_ = something |
| 16:58.11 | ckSynergy | Or, to more accurately apply it to SC2 |
| 16:58.22 | ducky | zenx1, it's so old.. like 3 days :D |
| 16:58.31 | zenx1 | oh :D |
| 16:58.41 | zenx1 | well dont follow d3 so much :/ |
| 16:58.57 | zenx1 | pretty hilarious how that kind of high boss stuff can act like that :D |
| 16:58.57 | ckSynergy | AttackWave[TargetPointStart] = somepoint |
| 16:59.14 | ckSynergy | AttackWave[TargetPointEnd] = somepoint |
| 16:59.33 | ducky | I still visit diablo incgamers every other day even though I don't play d3 anymore |
| 16:59.46 | zenx1 | any other good news? |
| 16:59.49 | ducky | lovely drama is amusing |
| 17:00.00 | ckSynergy | so, now that im off my trigger soapbox |
| 17:00.10 | XenoX101 | incgamers is a great community |
| 17:00.12 | ducky | patch 1.0.4 looks nice, though still not nice enough to get me back |
| 17:00.27 | Vailreth | yes |
| 17:00.29 | zenx1 | same for me |
| 17:00.44 | zenx1 | I just wish there was a bit more something to do |
| 17:00.58 | ckSynergy | Hey vailreth. mind if I run something by you? |
| 17:00.59 | zenx1 | act4 is way too short, they could have done a bit more something with that |
| 17:01.07 | Vailreth | i dont mind |
| 17:01.12 | Ahli | icq was great... I just have most people on icq... so I'm still using it in addition to skype |
| 17:01.13 | zenx1 | but oh well |
| 17:01.19 | zenx1 | its just hackn slash... |
| 17:01.33 | Ahli | I remember the time when icq wasn't a bloated laggy buggy program... |
| 17:01.42 | XenoX101 | I think build experimentation is your best bet in 1.0.4 |
| 17:01.51 | Ahli | goa |
| 17:01.55 | Ahli | g0a |
| 17:02.00 | XenoX101 | the revamped skills and easier to use AH means you'll have the best opportunity to make new builds |
| 17:02.18 | ducky | I'll look forward to other stuff they will change along the way. Though I doubt I'll get expansions :/ |
| 17:02.22 | ckSynergy | Ok, so I have my parallel missiles effect |
| 17:02.27 | zenx1 | same |
| 17:02.34 | ckSynergy | and in order to get it working, it has to create a unit |
| 17:02.36 | XenoX101 | I think the biggest problem for me at least |
| 17:02.40 | XenoX101 | is that items are just kind of 'there' |
| 17:02.42 | zenx1 | even thou I was in similar lines with Hots |
| 17:02.46 | ckSynergy | however, then the ability levels dont work from the originating unit |
| 17:02.46 | zenx1 | but Ill probly get it anyway |
| 17:02.51 | XenoX101 | like to compare with sc2 how people |
| 17:02.55 | ckSynergy | (ie more damage higher level) |
| 17:02.56 | XenoX101 | complained about roach = marauder = stalker |
| 17:03.06 | XenoX101 | you can say the same about items between classes, and legendaries even |
| 17:03.10 | ckSynergy | also the damage doesnt factor in buffs from the original unit |
| 17:03.13 | XenoX101 | they are nicer now than they were before, but they are still |
| 17:03.17 | XenoX101 | more or less all the same |
| 17:03.31 | XenoX101 | primary stat + all resist + vit + crit chance or attack speed if you're lucky |
| 17:03.37 | XenoX101 | life on hit for barbs |
| 17:03.40 | ckSynergy | now, If I remove the create unit part, the effect fires, but if the unit changes direction, the missiles do to |
| 17:03.43 | XenoX101 | er, for monks as well |
| 17:03.45 | ducky | for me, the biggest proble is that I'm spoiled by more compelling systems of it's predecessor, so.. |
| 17:03.48 | ckSynergy | thoughts? |
| 17:04.42 | XenoX101 | mm the diablo 3 system is technically superior to d2 so I dont think its that |
| 17:05.02 | ducky | I find d2 items far more enjoyable |
| 17:05.08 | XenoX101 | its just yeah the items |
| 17:05.10 | Vailreth | would you mind letting me see the setup? |
| 17:05.12 | XenoX101 | are all too much the same |
| 17:05.21 | XenoX101 | none of them will convince you to change your build |
| 17:05.29 | XenoX101 | the way they could in d2 |
| 17:05.31 | XenoX101 | somewhat |
| 17:05.34 | zenx1 | I think d3 system is good |
| 17:05.39 | ducky | graphicks, inventory, combat is all good, but the very core part for game - items, is not exciting at all |
| 17:05.41 | ckSynergy | uhhh, how would I show you? |
| 17:05.45 | zenx1 | but well monster design/combat design is pretty bad |
| 17:05.54 | zenx1 | like not enough variety |
| 17:05.59 | Vailreth | could you transfer that 1 ability into a test map? |
| 17:05.59 | XenoX101 | combat is brilliant in d3 |
| 17:06.04 | XenoX101 | better than any other hack and slash |
| 17:06.15 | XenoX101 | monster design I somewhat agree, they are pretty bland |
| 17:06.24 | ckSynergy | ha |
| 17:06.27 | ckSynergy | ummmm |
| 17:06.34 | ckSynergy | considering how complicated it is, id rather not |
| 17:06.46 | zenx1 | whent there is like 30 skilsl I would really liked to have couple more tactics |
| 17:06.51 | Vailreth | hmm. |
| 17:06.53 | XenoX101 | you'd be suprirsed how well copy paste works ckSynergy |
| 17:06.53 | zenx1 | than just using smokescreen/impale |
| 17:06.56 | XenoX101 | like literally |
| 17:07.03 | zenx1 | but thats what it came down to in the later levels |
| 17:07.06 | XenoX101 | I've only had 1 ability break down on me after using copy paste |
| 17:07.09 | XenoX101 | out of like 20 |
| 17:07.25 | ckSynergy | Xeno: It uses about 15-20 effects, a custom missile, custom mover, dummy unit, behavior |
| 17:07.32 | Vailreth | i cant really diagnose with out being able to see the thing, |
| 17:07.33 | XenoX101 | zenx: 1.0.4 aimed to change all that |
| 17:07.41 | ckSynergy | hold on im thinking |
| 17:07.45 | zenx1 | did you look at the changes? |
| 17:07.49 | XenoX101 | ckSynergy: that can all be copied |
| 17:07.49 | zenx1 | they just buff the damage of spells |
| 17:07.56 | zenx1 | adding no real variet (atleast DH) |
| 17:08.06 | zenx1 | I stil lcannot use close range skilsl cause monsters insta kill |
| 17:08.19 | XenoX101 | all the effects retain their target locations |
| 17:08.23 | XenoX101 | and movers and everything |
| 17:08.32 | ckSynergy | hold on im working on it |
| 17:08.35 | ckSynergy | its just annoying |
| 17:08.40 | ckSynergy | because its a pain switching maps |
| 17:08.40 | XenoX101 | it is |
| 17:08.47 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 17:09.28 | XenoX101 | the more you learn to deal with the editor's clunkiness though |
| 17:09.43 | XenoX101 | the better you get at it ;p |
| 17:10.41 | ckSynergy | >.> |
| 17:10.53 | ckSynergy | I've been dealing with it for nearly a year |
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| 17:10.58 | ckSynergy | Ive never gotten use to it |
| 17:11.21 | XenoX101 | learned to tolerate it then ;p |
| 17:12.02 | XenoX101 | I hope that with the marketplace |
| 17:12.08 | XenoX101 | they will look at improving a lot of things |
| 17:12.23 | Ahli | just blend out the things you don't understand... pretend that these fields and objects do not exist |
| 17:12.41 | XenoX101 | dont understand or dont work ;p |
| 17:13.03 | XenoX101 | its amazing how much stuff actually doesnt affect anything |
| 17:13.14 | XenoX101 | unit flags is probably the best example |
| 17:13.30 | Krash | Hey guys sometimes after saving when i reload my map it gets stuck on "loading actors" for 10+ minutes. When i test the map then, a 5+ minutes freeze occurs when i build a building (both on construction start and unit birth). How can i pin down what is causing the problem ? |
| 17:13.38 | Ahli | check missile and create it via trigger... creates a warning |
| 17:14.14 | ckSynergy | Xeno: What unit flags are you talking about? lol |
| 17:14.38 | Ahli | I'm off... need to lose my money to my friends in card games. :D |
| 17:14.39 | XenoX101 | there's a bunch that just dont do what they're meant to do |
| 17:14.43 | XenoX101 | I cant remember which off the top of my head |
| 17:15.10 | XenoX101 | behaviours as well |
| 17:15.18 | XenoX101 | I know "Suppress Collision" doesnt do anything for instance |
| 17:16.25 | Ahli | suppress or deactivate collision worked for me in the past... it was required before you could teleport units onto crowded points via range 500. |
| 17:16.34 | XenoX101 | actually unit flags was a bad example, behaviour flags is a better one |
| 17:16.52 | XenoX101 | state flags* |
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| 17:17.03 | ckSynergy | Vailreth can u accept files over irc? |
| 17:17.17 | Vailreth | yes |
| 17:18.31 | XenoX101 | hm, actually |
| 17:18.34 | XenoX101 | actors are the best example |
| 17:18.41 | XenoX101 | look at an action actor |
| 17:18.44 | Helral|afk | meow |
| 17:19.00 | XenoX101 | I remember playing with the attachment settings |
| 17:19.08 | XenoX101 | many of them dont seem to affect anything |
| 17:19.12 | XenoX101 | even if I set them to stupid values |
| 17:19.13 | XenoX101 | or delete them |
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| 17:33.50 | Taintedwisp | Hey whats teh name of that theory where it starts at an atom, zooms out to humans, zooms out to the universe and zooms back out and its an atom again? |
| 17:34.59 | Taintedwisp | anyone know what I am talking about |
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| 17:36.18 | Taintedwisp | Guess not... |
| 17:46.57 | zenx1 | come play weakest link on EU |
| 17:47.39 | Taintedwisp | im on NA :( |
| 17:49.32 | zenx1 | I wonder if I should really make my map easier |
| 17:49.48 | zenx1 | people are so incompetent that they cannot handle "slightly" hard |
| 17:49.49 | zenx1 | maps |
| 17:49.56 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
| 17:50.16 | Taintedwisp | Well then, my map may confuse them, I will have to actually make Useful help tips |
| 17:50.22 | Taintedwisp | They didnt understand my other map... |
| 17:50.32 | zenx1 | I mean they understand my map |
| 17:50.36 | zenx1 | they just cannot beat bosses |
| 17:50.41 | Taintedwisp | ALL YOU HAD TO FREAKIN DO WAS HARVEST THE TREES!!! AND ATTACK YOUR ENEMIES!! ! |
| 17:51.08 | Taintedwisp | BuT NO THEY WERE TOO STUPID EVEN WITH THE DESCRIPTION HARVEST THE TREES AND DEFEAT YOUR ENEMIES!!! |
| 17:51.25 | Taintedwisp | Yup Battle.net is full of idiots. |
| 17:51.27 | zenx1 | Im not sure how to take "1 star rating - nerf the boss pls" |
| 17:51.33 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:51.36 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 17:51.49 | Taintedwisp | Imma give you a 1 star rating... "Awesome Map, heres a star" |
| 17:51.50 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:51.55 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 17:51.57 | Taintedwisp | lol someone did that crap to me |
| 17:52.08 | zenx1 | I do have difficulty levels in my map |
| 17:52.17 | zenx1 | it just happens to be even the easy mode is slightly hard |
| 17:52.22 | Taintedwisp | People want everything Given to them |
| 17:52.43 | ducky | I wonder what boss he ment |
| 17:52.49 | zenx1 | disco dave |
| 17:52.59 | ducky | zergling in single player was a good challenge |
| 17:53.10 | zenx1 | earlier I saw couple players die to that boss indeed |
| 17:53.13 | ducky | zergling with 2 players was just piec of cake |
| 17:53.20 | zenx1 | every attack is dodgeable |
| 17:53.26 | zenx1 | but cant they figure out the patterns? :/ |
| 17:53.41 | zenx1 | you missed weakest link |
| 17:53.43 | zenx1 | i started |
| 17:54.27 | ducky | it was just me dodging ling and other player constantly blasting him, took us about a minute to finish him, while it took me around 5 minutes for solo, I imagine with more players it's even faster |
| 17:54.45 | ducky | I'm eating now, so no sc for now |
| 17:58.58 | Taintedwisp | THERE I finally did it, I thought up the abilities for my first hero |
| 17:59.00 | Taintedwisp | All of them |
| 17:59.14 | zenx1 | nice job |
| 17:59.27 | Taintedwisp | No kidding, Considering how Uncreative I am |
| 17:59.28 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:59.32 | *** join/#sc2mapster mille25 (5b05158a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.5.21.138) |
| 17:59.44 | zenx1 | I know its pretty hard to figure out good abilities |
| 18:00.03 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 18:00.11 | Taintedwisp | I have 1 self buff, 1 splash, 1 Unit buff, and 1 Aoe |
| 18:00.15 | Taintedwisp | That hsould be a nice balance |
| 18:00.23 | *** join/#sc2mapster peq (~media@95-90-2-75-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 18:00.28 | Taintedwisp | Well one Aoe buff not unit buff |
| 18:01.21 | Taintedwisp | Now I just need to make some more heroes |
| 18:01.21 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:01.50 | Taintedwisp | and once i get them all figured out I will either have to find someone who is really good at abilities or learn to do each one my self |
| 18:02.01 | Taintedwisp | This map is going to have A TON of things in it |
| 18:02.54 | Taintedwisp | I mena, Its not going to be a new Genre or anything like that, but Hopefully it will be fun |
| 18:03.52 | Taintedwisp | I dont get why people want to make something ALL NEW NEVER BEFORE SEEN... I can go shit out neverbefore seen lol. doesnt make it good, lawl, though I will admit I have seen some cool things that I havent seen before |
| 18:04.06 | Taintedwisp | I just like perfecting the genres we already have |
| 18:04.23 | zenx1 | people seem to like the safe stuff anyway |
| 18:04.51 | Taintedwisp | yeha |
| 18:05.03 | Taintedwisp | Though I will admit, I do wanna try Dogmais Tofu... |
| 18:05.12 | Taintedwisp | does look interesting |
| 18:06.04 | Taintedwisp | Hey Blizz-Deletarius you are a data editor correct? |
| 18:06.16 | Taintedwisp | is there a way to Modify the same field for multiple units at once? |
| 18:06.31 | ckSynergy | yes tainted |
| 18:06.35 | Taintedwisp | I have 30 spawners... that need 1 stinkin field.. |
| 18:06.36 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:06.47 | ckSynergy | select 1 spawner, set the field |
| 18:06.52 | ckSynergy | copy that field |
| 18:07.01 | Taintedwisp | not exaclty what I mean... |
| 18:07.02 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:07.06 | ckSynergy | select all the spawners, then select the field and press ctrl+right arrow key |
| 18:07.14 | ckSynergy | this will select all fields for all your spawner units |
| 18:07.18 | ckSynergy | ctrl+v |
| 18:07.20 | ckSynergy | done |
| 18:12.07 | Taintedwisp | Eh, that was a bit quicker, But it wouldnt allow me to select the same field for all the spawners at once |
| 18:12.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (~Bibendus@ip-80-249-36-63.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 18:12.12 | Taintedwisp | But it was about 10x quicker |
| 18:12.30 | Taintedwisp | I removed Collision from all the spawners |
| 18:12.42 | Taintedwisp | They were screwing up when they flew over the beacons |
| 18:14.31 | Taintedwisp | Is there a way to use the left 4 dead dependency without having to upload it? |
| 18:14.38 | Taintedwisp | Like can I use the one thats already uploaded |
| 18:14.57 | Taintedwisp | or will that just screw me up now that I am soo far into my map |
| 18:16.13 | *** join/#sc2mapster Telshin (~textual@76.164.170.2) |
| 18:17.14 | Taintedwisp | Well imma try it anyways, I just need the models mostly lol |
| 18:17.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster Iiris_Frost (~chatzilla@99.73.217.161) |
| 18:21.25 | Vailreth | Taintedwisp, you need a local copy of the bnet file and to set the map to use both the local and bnet copies |
| 18:21.58 | Iiris_Frost | omfg, i really hate this piece of crap ui xml editor |
| 18:22.12 | Iiris_Frost | doesn't help you at all |
| 18:23.08 | Iiris_Frost | kicks the UI xml editor. |
| 18:23.12 | Iiris_Frost | what a piece of crap |
| 18:23.40 | Vailreth | thus is why im waiting for HotS and hopefully the GUI editor |
| 18:24.09 | Taintedwisp | Ah ok |
| 18:24.20 | Iiris_Frost | i tried moving the inventory panel for the container buttons, but it won't fucking move |
| 18:24.27 | ckSynergy | Is there a way to apply a behavior to a missile thats launched? |
| 18:24.35 | ckSynergy | through effects |
| 18:25.27 | Vailreth | yes there should be |
| 18:25.53 | ckSynergy | hmmmm, probably a search area... |
| 18:27.10 | Iiris_Frost | can someone please make the much needed visual UI editor |
| 18:28.07 | Taintedwisp | nvm with the dependencies... not worth it I only need 1 or 2 models |
| 18:28.27 | ckSynergy | Iiris: Sure. $300 |
| 18:28.40 | ckSynergy | hell, im feeling generous. $250. |
| 18:28.50 | Taintedwisp | ck do my abilties |
| 18:28.50 | *** join/#sc2mapster themusic (~themusic@ip98-180-234-237.cl.ri.cox.net) |
| 18:28.59 | Taintedwisp | ill give you 500... |
| 18:29.03 | Taintedwisp | peso's |
| 18:29.43 | themusic | how do you round a number to a set # of decimal places ... like 5.34 instead of 5.342058 |
| 18:30.22 | mille25 | for what? display it? |
| 18:30.27 | themusic | yea display |
| 18:30.33 | mille25 | use real to text |
| 18:30.42 | mille25 | there you can enter the amount of decimal places u want. |
| 18:30.48 | themusic | storing it is different? |
| 18:31.12 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 18:31.21 | ckSynergy | what abilities? |
| 18:31.25 | ckSynergy | Ill trade you |
| 18:31.31 | mille25 | what do you mean by storing it? |
| 18:31.37 | mille25 | banks? vars? |
| 18:31.37 | ckSynergy | Ill do all your abilities if you get this one working right first |
| 18:32.02 | Taintedwisp | lol whats the ability? |
| 18:32.46 | ckSynergy | complicated lol |
| 18:33.06 | ckSynergy | lets see |
| 18:33.49 | ckSynergy | 3 apply behaviors, 7 persistants, 1 create unit, 3 damage, 1 launch missile, 2 searches and 2 sets |
| 18:33.53 | ckSynergy | and its not done yet lol |
| 18:34.22 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:35.26 | Vailreth | just for every ones records |
| 18:36.01 | Vailreth | to apply a behavior on a missile from its lauch effect the apply behavior must target the souce unit |
| 18:36.19 | Khalint | muzzy are you there? |
| 18:36.34 | muzzy | yup |
| 18:36.37 | themusic | storing rounded number as a var |
| 18:36.39 | themusic | i meant |
| 18:36.51 | Khalint | a question, ive been trying to make that macro thing |
| 18:37.07 | muzzy | khalint, that suggestion was back when i thought you needed something completely different :P |
| 18:37.14 | Vailreth | brb folks its time for lunch |
| 18:37.18 | Khalint | i know |
| 18:37.26 | Khalint | but |
| 18:37.43 | Khalint | hrm how to word it |
| 18:37.55 | ckSynergy | ok, -1 search lol |
| 18:38.13 | Taintedwisp | How much space on average does a Single model take up? |
| 18:38.25 | Khalint | have you messed around with the editor yet? |
| 18:38.55 | muzzy | anyway, you wanted dynamic tooltips ... so, i got a question too |
| 18:39.00 | muzzy | uh, only done very little |
| 18:39.04 | Khalint | yeah |
| 18:39.08 | Khalint | ok then maybe you wouldnt know |
| 18:39.24 | ckSynergy | BINGO |
| 18:39.26 | muzzy | in tooltips, you can do dynamic things with things like ... <d ref="Effect,HealSuper2222,RechargeVitalRate[0]"/> |
| 18:39.28 | Khalint | whats your question? |
| 18:39.36 | muzzy | do you know anything about that? |
| 18:39.51 | zenx1 | its really hard to decide if players are retarded or my map just hard |
| 18:39.54 | Khalint | i do not, but i dont think you can reference things like triggers |
| 18:40.05 | Khalint | i think its only things in data |
| 18:40.11 | ckSynergy | muzzy: yes |
| 18:40.19 | Khalint | but i might be wrong |
| 18:40.20 | ckSynergy | yes |
| 18:40.23 | ckSynergy | only things in data |
| 18:40.24 | ckSynergy | why? |
| 18:40.33 | Khalint | yeah |
| 18:41.21 | muzzy | so, it's limited to pre-existing data fields, you cant add custom stuff you change through triggers? |
| 18:41.34 | Taintedwisp | THE HELL WITH CUSTOM MODELS TOO!!! |
| 18:41.34 | Taintedwisp | lll |
| 18:41.48 | Taintedwisp | Neither Dependencies nor Custom Models are worth the time and effort |
| 18:41.49 | *** join/#sc2mapster Khalint_ (62d5885e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.213.136.94) |
| 18:41.59 | Khalint_ | ugh got dc'd what was the last thing i said? |
| 18:42.01 | Taintedwisp | Imma just make heros using attachment points, and Texture Select by ID |
| 18:42.02 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:42.10 | Taintedwisp | That should be cool enough |
| 18:42.33 | Khalint_ | anyways im making tooltips that I can have strings in that when they pop up they get fed into a function that will spit out a vlaue |
| 18:43.05 | A1win | does anyone know why my custom loading screen image sometimes disappears while the map is loading, and shows the "missing texture" blue image instead? |
| 18:43.15 | Khalint_ | like the tooltip "Grants the %C %K3/6/ haste and %K4/8/ movement speed." |
| 18:43.16 | muzzy | khalint: yeah, precisely about that. i'm wondering how much the default tooltip system can be used for that |
| 18:43.33 | Khalint_ | %C calls the class %K changes based on trait rank |
| 18:44.10 | Khalint_ | but i also want to put in math like %F{rank*5+1} |
| 18:44.21 | Khalint_ | will return the rank *5 +1 |
| 18:44.28 | Khalint_ | im stuck on math |
| 18:44.35 | ckSynergy | wow khalint |
| 18:44.39 | muzzy | yes, but ... ah, this is too hard to explain since i know so little about data stuff yet :p |
| 18:44.43 | ckSynergy | whats the problem with the math? |
| 18:44.47 | muzzy | i've only been looking at trigger stuff while reversing |
| 18:44.54 | Khalint_ | yeah the built iun system doesnt work cause i cant reference my own values |
| 18:45.05 | Khalint_ | well the data is stored as a string |
| 18:45.15 | ckSynergy | ok hold on |
| 18:45.42 | muzzy | because, those <d ref> things can contain formulas |
| 18:45.55 | Khalint | yeah but they cant reference a players trait rank |
| 18:45.57 | muzzy | but i dont know if custom data is possible :( |
| 18:46.04 | muzzy | nodnod, mmkay |
| 18:46.07 | Khalint | which is stored as a variable |
| 18:46.08 | Khalint | however |
| 18:46.11 | ckSynergy | ah ha |
| 18:46.13 | ckSynergy | use a switch |
| 18:46.15 | Khalint | i think you can maybe store |
| 18:46.27 | Khalint | custom data in user types |
| 18:46.34 | Khalint | but that would be rugged to actually store |
| 18:46.37 | Khalint | and likely slower hmm |
| 18:46.38 | ckSynergy | pass your string into a function that uses a switch statement based on the string split |
| 18:46.42 | ckSynergy | ie the * / + or - |
| 18:46.44 | muzzy | okay, next ... anyone know of galaxyscript debuggers that can be used without running sc2? |
| 18:46.53 | Khalint | but i also want paranthesis |
| 18:47.01 | muzzy | khalint, you could use reverse polish notation |
| 18:47.02 | Khalint | parenthesis* |
| 18:47.08 | Khalint | whoa big words muzzy |
| 18:47.14 | ckSynergy | Khalint, why cant you access your own values? |
| 18:47.22 | muzzy | instead of a+b, you'd say "a b +" |
| 18:47.30 | muzzy | it's basically a calculation stack |
| 18:47.37 | Khalint | hum |
| 18:47.49 | muzzy | you go from left to right ... if you get number, you push on stack. if you get operator, you pop 2 numbers, do the calculation, push the result |
| 18:48.03 | Khalint | i *think* i get what youre saying |
| 18:48.07 | Khalint | lol |
| 18:48.10 | muzzy | a b c + * ... would thus turn into (b+c)*a |
| 18:48.18 | Khalint | ahhhh ok |
| 18:48.19 | Khalint | yes |
| 18:48.22 | Khalint | very good |
| 18:48.31 | Khalint | that would work actually |
| 18:48.42 | muzzy | it's also super easy to implement, compared to infix evaluation |
| 18:48.42 | Khalint | awesome |
| 18:48.56 | Khalint | *blank stare* *nod* |
| 18:49.06 | Khalint | lol |
| 18:49.19 | Khalint | remember im not a programmer :p |
| 18:49.41 | Khalint | but yeah that will work just fine |
| 18:49.56 | muzzy | ah, sorry .. infix means the "operator in between operands" |
| 18:50.02 | Khalint | the only thing left is to figure out how to store the variables as it processes the string |
| 18:50.26 | Khalint | i would prefer not to have a hard limit on the number of them via like an array |
| 18:50.37 | Khalint | maybe i could use another string and use word of string |
| 18:51.09 | TheSkunk__ | I has returned |
| 18:51.09 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zero_ (b860ec3e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.96.236.62) |
| 18:51.13 | muzzy | plenty of ways to do it ... someone get me a galaxyscript interpreter and i'll write some code, pfft |
| 18:51.20 | Khalint | lawl |
| 18:51.22 | Khalint | xD |
| 18:51.22 | muzzy | i just hate having to start the game just to try if the code works |
| 18:51.31 | Zero_ | Is there anyone from blizzard in here? |
| 18:51.34 | Khalint | yeah i got nothing for you on that end |
| 18:51.40 | ckSynergy | Khalint: use a data table |
| 18:51.43 | ckSynergy | slow, but works |
| 18:51.44 | muzzy | actually ... i think i'll make myself an interpreter |
| 18:52.18 | muzzy | oh wait, it's already 10pm and i need to wake up early tomorrow ... mmmm |
| 18:52.24 | muzzy | oh boy |
| 18:52.25 | Zero_ | how do you send a message to a user? |
| 18:52.28 | TheSkunk__ | 07Zero_01, technically, yes, but they seem to have been AFK for a couple of hours |
| 18:52.30 | Khalint | ckSynergy i might try it but i may also do my string and word of string thing ill try both |
| 18:52.52 | Zero_ | thanks skunk |
| 18:53.40 | Zero_ | I haven't used an irc client since i was like 14 so this is weird, but ya don't remember how to send a message to a user. How to? |
| 18:54.01 | TheSkunk__ | Yeah, its been 2 1/2 hours since I last saw em |
| 18:54.12 | TheSkunk__ | I dunno, I use a client, and I can just doubleclick on their name on the list x_x |
| 18:54.13 | Khalint | theyre at work |
| 18:54.19 | Khalint | so they may just be working |
| 18:54.24 | TheSkunk__ | yeah, ofc |
| 18:54.28 | Khalint | you can try outting their names in a sentence see if it gets their attention |
| 18:54.37 | Khalint | putting* |
| 18:54.57 | Zero_ | if i double click it looks like it just does a whois |
| 18:55.13 | Zero_ | gives me name ip/realname/channels/server/idle etc |
| 18:55.20 | Khalint | they get beeped if their name is in a sentence |
| 18:55.21 | TheSkunk__ | ahh |
| 18:55.27 | TheSkunk__ | well, I'm using trillian, like I said |
| 18:56.17 | muzzy | oh ffs, i'd have to reimplement large chunks of the NativeLib if i want to make interpreter myself ... >_> |
| 18:56.28 | Khalint | :x |
| 18:56.31 | ckSynergy | uhhhh |
| 18:56.33 | ckSynergy | Khalint |
| 18:56.35 | Zero_ | Blizz-Artestru or Blizz-Deletarius if you're there please respond. I have an error with 1.5.1 update of the sc2 editor that I need some help with. |
| 18:56.35 | Zero_ | like that? |
| 18:56.37 | ckSynergy | just so you know |
| 18:56.42 | Taintedwisp | Blizzard is very quiet today... |
| 18:56.42 | ckSynergy | You can put math in tooltips as is |
| 18:56.42 | Khalint | yeah |
| 18:56.43 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:56.57 | Khalint | eh? |
| 18:57.00 | Taintedwisp | Shhhhh be very quiet, they're hunting trolls |
| 18:57.13 | Khalint | can that math include my variables tho> |
| 18:57.20 | ckSynergy | <d ref="Effect,MyEffect,Amount[0] * 100"/>% |
| 18:57.35 | Khalint | hum |
| 18:57.37 | Taintedwisp | Wow when did sixen quit being an MVP |
| 18:57.38 | Blizz-Artestru | What's up? |
| 18:57.48 | Taintedwisp | nvm |
| 18:57.50 | ckSynergy | Then you use use dummy effects to store your variables |
| 18:57.50 | Khalint | there you go zero |
| 18:57.56 | Taintedwisp | It just didnt show up ooutisde the thread lo |
| 18:58.03 | Khalint | if i pout in just numbers would it work |
| 18:58.19 | Khalint | i could parse my string convert it to text then evaluate the text |
| 18:58.30 | Khalint | that might be a much easier way |
| 18:58.53 | Zero_ | hey artestru. since the 1.5.1 changes my map won't load anymore. It gets stuck on not responding. I can load it threw the trigger editor, but not the terrain. |
| 18:58.53 | ckSynergy | :P |
| 18:58.55 | Taintedwisp | Hey Artestru, do you know of any cool unused models? I already used the Tauren Space Marine. |
| 18:58.59 | ckSynergy | yea |
| 18:59.07 | zenx1 | ducky: there? |
| 18:59.07 | ckSynergy | convert your string to text and itll work |
| 18:59.22 | Zero_ | I had another user look at it and they weren't able to load it either. The weird part is I had a guy from the netherlands try to load it and it worked fine. |
| 18:59.44 | ducky | zenx1 yes |
| 18:59.45 | ckSynergy | So "This effect does <d ref="Effect,MyEffect,Amount[0] %stringRef"/>" |
| 18:59.49 | Khalint | so like <d ref="5 * 100"/>% would end up 500%? |
| 18:59.51 | zenx1 | Soo |
| 18:59.52 | ckSynergy | where StringRef = "* 100" |
| 18:59.57 | ckSynergy | yea |
| 19:00.01 | ckSynergy | it would |
| 19:00.01 | zenx1 | I was wondering should I add "pop up tips" |
| 19:00.06 | Khalint | ok thats easy then |
| 19:00.08 | ckSynergy | or should |
| 19:00.10 | Khalint | lemme try that out |
| 19:00.12 | ducky | to combat what? |
| 19:00.14 | zenx1 | like so people would know about potions and teleports |
| 19:00.28 | zenx1 | another idea would be to set few potions for them at the item bar at start |
| 19:00.54 | ckSynergy | this is odd |
| 19:01.19 | Zero_ | I also changed the localization to EU to see if that would work and it didn't. So I am at a loss on what is wrong. I posted on sc2mapster and they suggested to ask a blizz employee on here. |
| 19:01.19 | Khalint | holy balls that works |
| 19:01.26 | Khalint | thanks ckSynergy |
| 19:01.32 | Khalint | you saved me a lot of trouble |
| 19:01.40 | Zero_ | The post said "1. Make a copy of that file and ask the Blizzard guys in the irc chat on workdays to examine the file and find the source of that bug, so the editor handles that situation in a future release. This is clearly something that shouldn't have happened in the editor. ;) " |
| 19:01.57 | ducky | In my honest opinion leave it hidden as a surprise in inventory, if they can't be bothered to explore what game offers to them (as in simply open an inventory and visit shope) then .. well then they're a sad case on which you shouldn't waste your effort |
| 19:02.42 | Blizz-Artestru | Zero, is there a place where we can download your map to investigate? |
| 19:02.44 | ducky | they will die, and then they will wonder what can they do about it |
| 19:02.47 | muzzy | surprise features are annoying |
| 19:02.58 | ducky | and they'll look up to what they have in their inventory |
| 19:02.59 | Zero_ | yes let me upload it to a fileshare site. One moment |
| 19:03.01 | zenx1 | yea |
| 19:03.08 | ducky | since obviosly those rewards go somewhere |
| 19:03.13 | zenx1 | Im just wondering what is the limit I need to teach people |
| 19:03.15 | Blizz-Artestru | And to be clear, it opens in the editor, but you cannot Test Document the file? |
| 19:03.21 | muzzy | 1) player tries out all possible features, 2) author adds new feature, 3) player no longer bothers searching for features and never finds it |
| 19:03.25 | zenx1 | suprisingly many dont even understand how to learn spells |
| 19:03.33 | ducky | and they'll see they have a potion in there, and they'll click on it and they'll learn |
| 19:03.41 | Taintedwisp | Hey Artestru, when you get a chancecan you link me to the suggestion Thread, i have a new suggestion |
| 19:03.52 | Khalint | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6307501153?page=2 |
| 19:03.54 | muzzy | ducky, people dont even read tooltips of buttons |
| 19:03.58 | Khalint | or do you want eu? |
| 19:04.08 | Khalint | the eu is linked in the us |
| 19:04.15 | Taintedwisp | Thanks |
| 19:04.20 | Khalint | np |
| 19:04.41 | muzzy | like ... when playing MineralZ Evolution, the base has super important upgrade that improves harvest amounts ... it often takes some players good 20 minutes into the game until they realize it with everyone yelling about it |
| 19:04.46 | Taintedwisp | Mines actually a very simple suggestion, that Hopefully will be done, It probably wouldnt take long for them to do |
| 19:05.07 | ducky | well, if it's an RPG like the one burne is making.. rpg like that invites ppl who can read item description, the rest can go play marine arena |
| 19:05.10 | muzzy | so, people simply don't try out things |
| 19:05.17 | ckSynergy | OMG Im a retard |
| 19:05.26 | zenx1 | so one could think |
| 19:05.30 | muzzy | when player finds something that works, they'll stick to it and try to get better at it |
| 19:05.53 | ducky | There will always be those players who are just silly |
| 19:06.00 | ducky | don't pay much attention to them |
| 19:06.06 | muzzy | they wont necessarily go explore other possibilities until they've spent a good amount of time on the first thing they figured out |
| 19:06.09 | zenx1 | yea |
| 19:06.24 | muzzy | so, it's good idea to force them to explore |
| 19:06.25 | Zero_ | Blizz-Artestru If I double-click the map and open it default in the terrain editor the map will not load. If I open the editor itself and close the terrain section and open the trigger/data section the map will load. It's something withe loading the terrain. How do I send you this download link? |
| 19:06.29 | ducky | granted, your spell system is a bit confusing, even after update |
| 19:06.44 | Taintedwisp | I just want More Default Menus on the Command Cards... 4 is not enough |
| 19:06.45 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:06.48 | Blizz-Artestru | You can PM me here if you don't want to broadcast it to the whole channel. |
| 19:06.50 | Taintedwisp | I needed 5 yesterday |
| 19:06.51 | zenx1 | I think they just dont notice the buttons |
| 19:07.01 | zenx1 | they are like "herp derp" |
| 19:07.02 | ducky | that true too |
| 19:07.04 | Blizz-Artestru | Tainted: It's on the US Custom Maps forum. |
| 19:07.14 | ducky | your world ui design is awfull :D |
| 19:07.16 | Taintedwisp | yeah Khali linked me |
| 19:07.17 | Taintedwisp | :D |
| 19:07.20 | Zero_ | how do i pm? im using the web version of this |
| 19:07.27 | zenx1 | world UI? |
| 19:07.29 | ducky | and btw, you've commited a grave sin burne |
| 19:07.40 | Blizz-Artestru | I'm not sure offhand.... /msg Blizz-Artestru? |
| 19:07.41 | ducky | you disabled message (F11) menu |
| 19:07.54 | ducky | which is something you should never do :/ |
| 19:07.57 | Blizz-Artestru | Someone else will have to answer that... I get pinged frequently, so someone knows how to do it. |
| 19:07.59 | zenx1 | can you not disable it without hiding the menu |
| 19:08.03 | Khalint | this isnt blizz channel |
| 19:08.05 | zenx1 | it auto disables it when I hide menu |
| 19:08.07 | ducky | you can move it offscreen |
| 19:08.08 | Zero_ | did that work? |
| 19:08.32 | ducky | that way at least hotkey will work |
| 19:08.33 | Taintedwisp | just click their name and hit Query |
| 19:08.38 | ducky | which most players use and know |
| 19:08.40 | Taintedwisp | its not hard that opens a private tab within the channel |
| 19:08.50 | zenx1 | interesting enough F10 works |
| 19:08.55 | zenx1 | but F11 doesnt |
| 19:09.01 | zenx1 | when you hide |
| 19:09.02 | zenx1 | menus |
| 19:09.18 | ducky | and by world UI I ment those menu buttons |
| 19:09.58 | zenx1 | I think it looks good and feels natural |
| 19:09.58 | zenx1 | only thing is you might confuse for normal menus |
| 19:09.58 | ducky | Lobbies and quests seem obsolete now that you got popups for lobbies and quest is constantly shown in top-left |
| 19:10.22 | zenx1 | I did consider removing it |
| 19:10.28 | ducky | it's where normal menus usually are and most ppl usually don't look at that part of screen |
| 19:10.47 | ducky | There is that idea.. that there is nothing important over there |
| 19:10.55 | zenx1 | I guess I might try to make something to stand out until you atleast learn a spell |
| 19:11.12 | zenx1 | then they should know "oh I got this cools stuff over here" |
| 19:11.14 | ducky | yes, it's a good idea to draw more attention to that pannel |
| 19:11.14 | zenx1 | didnt notice |
| 19:11.54 | zenx1 | average player would figure it out |
| 19:11.58 | zenx1 | but average bnet player wont figure it out |
| 19:12.17 | ducky | I'm thinking you've just got some bad examples |
| 19:12.33 | ducky | there are more, brighter players out there ;D |
| 19:12.42 | zenx1 | and its 50/50 too that are the enemies too hard |
| 19:12.49 | zenx1 | I think its perfect for me |
| 19:13.04 | zenx1 | but...it can be almost insta kill if you stand still for 5 seconds |
| 19:14.05 | ducky | if constant running is the gameplay youre striving to then it shouldn't be a problem.. |
| 19:14.39 | zenx1 | you made it sound bad :D |
| 19:14.44 | ducky | :P |
| 19:14.52 | zenx1 | I think spell indicators are good enough to make you move |
| 19:15.05 | zenx1 | but Ill probly lower difficulty just a tiny bit for easier |
| 19:15.16 | zenx1 | and just add something to make you learn the first spell |
| 19:15.20 | zenx1 | that should be good enough for now |
| 19:15.28 | zenx1 | and soon I might make that stupid trailer |
| 19:16.24 | zenx1 | btw |
| 19:16.37 | zenx1 | abnother great Idea I was thnking of implementing |
| 19:16.44 | zenx1 | PvP templates or pvp specific skills |
| 19:16.52 | zenx1 | cause now it can be a bit dull at low level |
| 19:16.58 | zenx1 | so perhaps pre-set skills |
| 19:17.07 | zenx1 | or few extra skills to make it interesting |
| 19:18.03 | ducky | The problem is, in most rpgs there is this newb friendly class called "the warrior" where you just stand still absorbing damage and killing things effortlessly, while other, more skill-based classes involve kiting and moving. In your map it's mostly moving, so it's no surprise that newbs are destroyed in your rpg :D |
| 19:18.48 | zenx1 | but its possible to make it so...like I dont want to disrecard those who want to have more relaxing experience |
| 19:19.01 | ducky | I don't like that limitation, templates remind me of D3 which reminds me of game trying to take control of player |
| 19:19.18 | zenx1 | Im almost certain it would make pvp much better |
| 19:19.26 | zenx1 | but other ideas is you can build template |
| 19:19.31 | zenx1 | from your skills + some other skills |
| 19:19.33 | zenx1 | like blink |
| 19:19.41 | zenx1 | blink makes it much more exciting |
| 19:19.52 | ducky | So much work just to blast other guy with a fireball in a face.. |
| 19:20.24 | ducky | It should be simple and easy, Clicked a button and unleashed hell on your friend. |
| 19:20.24 | zenx1 | since I liked the earlier version of pvp much more |
| 19:20.38 | zenx1 | I want dodge and strike and knockback and those ^^ |
| 19:20.43 | A1win | so it turns out that the red (!) radar actor doesn't show up on high shader settings through black mask, but it does on low settings... any idea how to make it always show through it D: |
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| 19:21.35 | ducky | A1win, does it mean that radar tower for players with high shaders is bugged? :O |
| 19:21.48 | ducky | or it's hidden only in custom units/actors? |
| 19:21.52 | zenx1 | Im dissapointed that you dont like template idea |
| 19:21.58 | zenx1 | I think its great ^^ |
| 19:22.05 | A1win | ducky, there is no black mask in melee games |
| 19:22.11 | ducky | then you should go ahead and try it :D |
| 19:22.13 | ducky | ooh |
| 19:22.16 | ducky | :/ |
| 19:22.23 | zenx1 | I might do it |
| 19:22.35 | zenx1 | but as you got great ideas always need to present them to you ^^ |
| 19:23.02 | Taintedwisp | BAHHHHH |
| 19:23.02 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:23.10 | Taintedwisp | Dang I hate trying to make working abilities |
| 19:23.13 | Taintedwisp | They never work fo rme |
| 19:23.37 | ducky | I'm really not a fan of restricting player in any aspects of game, and template sounds like a restriction. Maybe you'll make it work |
| 19:24.44 | ducky | A1win, well that's dissapointing :\.. maybe you could bug blizz guys about it? :D |
| 19:25.22 | A1win | nah it's not that important |
| 19:25.30 | A1win | the units still show on minimap anyway |
| 19:26.01 | Taintedwisp | I thiN.... CK should do all my mappin for me.. Ill pay you... 10 paso... |
| 19:26.02 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:26.11 | ducky | don't be shy, someone else might need it someday and if nobody will ask, nobody will fix this injustice |
| 19:26.23 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 19:26.27 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:26.28 | ducky | and it does sound like a bug :/ |
| 19:26.32 | ckSynergy | 10 peso a microsecond |
| 19:26.34 | ckSynergy | sounds fair |
| 19:26.37 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 19:26.51 | Taintedwisp | DEAL 10 PASO a microsecond |
| 19:27.01 | ckSynergy | nope |
| 19:27.03 | ckSynergy | peso |
| 19:27.07 | Taintedwisp | PASO |
| 19:27.08 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:27.23 | Taintedwisp | I can draw paso on a peice of paper and put 10 x 10 ^15 |
| 19:27.24 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:27.39 | Taintedwisp | Come on, Paso's coming in exponential form |
| 19:27.39 | Taintedwisp | lo.l |
| 19:28.38 | Taintedwisp | Damn |
| 19:30.29 | zenx1 | I usually like to just sit and watch if people figure out what they need to do :D |
| 19:30.33 | zenx1 | now I got 2 smart guys |
| 19:30.38 | zenx1 | so far they even knew how to use potions |
| 19:30.57 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:31.21 | ducky | oh btw, if you want to have those cool spell you can create some special arena events involving predefined skills |
| 19:31.41 | Taintedwisp | yo vailreth you feel like helping me Complete this Cow Starfire ability, and making it levelable with 3 levels for a hero? I cant get it to work.. the cows wont die... they just disapear and it breaks my map lol |
| 19:31.48 | Taintedwisp | Though they are falling from inside bubbles |
| 19:31.53 | ducky | hmph.. I guess it all depends on how you present that... |
| 19:32.27 | ducky | you could have normal pvp and you could have arena gladiator fights, could be amusing |
| 19:32.40 | ducky | but, again, it's so much work :/ |
| 19:33.31 | zenx1 | I did expect people to take more liking to the map |
| 19:33.38 | Vailreth | i have figured out the coause of that Tainted but i dont know the way to fix it. the missiles are not firing their impact events |
| 19:33.41 | zenx1 | but nope...it didnt go as planned :D |
| 19:34.00 | zenx1 | allthough small sample size so far |
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| 19:34.55 | Stewox | oh great |
| 19:35.29 | Stewox | blizz-deletarius another idea connected with mover stuff |
| 19:35.52 | Stewox | the ability for mover(eg, jet engine) having a flag "WorksWhenUnitDead" |
| 19:36.00 | Taintedwisp | hmmm |
| 19:36.09 | Taintedwisp | The Splat actor, in the events that reminds me |
| 19:36.21 | Taintedwisp | I couldnt find the Search Anywhere, so I used the damage.... |
| 19:36.28 | Stewox | so you can use the movement and mover stuff to make realistic aerial falls |
| 19:36.29 | Taintedwisp | didnt work |
| 19:36.35 | Taintedwisp | Maybe that broke somehting |
| 19:36.39 | Taintedwisp | but its not damaging units either |
| 19:37.08 | Vailreth | the launch missile effect isnt firing its impact or finish effects |
| 19:38.26 | Taintedwisp | wtf where it says Impact effect... |
| 19:38.31 | Taintedwisp | it was set to Cow set |
| 19:39.12 | Taintedwisp | hmm imma try something |
| 19:39.14 | Taintedwisp | see if this works |
| 19:40.23 | Taintedwisp | I changed the Impact effect to the Damage, and I changed the Lanch effect to the offset on the Cow Missile effect |
| 19:41.54 | Taintedwisp | That did absolutly nothing |
| 19:43.01 | ducky | zenx1, honestly, the map gives me an alien vibe. I've never owned a console (beyond snes), so most of my RPG experience comes from things like Diablo and diablo clones. And most rpg maps seem to go with same hack'n'slash diablo-like gameplay. But your map is a bit different. Does it take inspiration from japanese rpgs like monster hunter? I can only speculate thatmost players in europe are more or less like me and are more used to |
| 19:43.52 | ducky | so they won't instantly like the map just cause it's cool |
| 19:45.01 | ducky | It's different, so you should't plan that it'll be instantly a mega hit |
| 19:45.17 | ducky | AND, don't forget that it's b-net, exposure takes time |
| 19:45.19 | ducky | :P |
| 19:45.21 | zenx1 | heh :D |
| 19:45.50 | Taintedwisp | Hey Vailreth, I noticed that the search effect doesnt appear in any of the menus when I go to put it into a feild, such as the events or the Effects + |
| 19:45.57 | Taintedwisp | Any reason why that would happen'; |
| 19:45.58 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 19:46.21 | Vailreth | no clue you may have to recreate it it i had to |
| 19:48.39 | zenx1 | btw |
| 19:48.52 | zenx1 | you could also test the sentry boss which you probly didnt do? |
| 19:48.55 | zenx1 | that is hard atleast :D |
| 19:49.01 | zenx1 | if you can kill everything else |
| 19:49.50 | ducky | I didn't get far last time in solo cause.. wel, bug. |
| 19:50.02 | Taintedwisp | I I think the cows arent dying at all.. |
| 19:50.04 | ducky | I think I'll have some time tomorrow |
| 19:50.10 | Taintedwisp | and I also think its dropping 10 of them at a time |
| 19:50.10 | zenx1 | you can get it with cheats lol |
| 19:50.11 | Taintedwisp | ... |
| 19:50.12 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:50.24 | Taintedwisp | Because my unit counter increases by 10 each cow that hits the ground |
| 19:50.24 | zenx1 | cause it doesnt actually have any other requirements than rank |
| 19:50.29 | zenx1 | which you have enough ^^ |
| 19:50.48 | zenx1 | (I dont even expect you to test it, its just more like an easter egg if someone explores the world enough) |
| 19:51.00 | ducky | so I'll definitely check it out tomorrow, the time when we usually had that wonderful event called map night :> |
| 19:51.20 | zenx1 | we could almsot arange mapnight |
| 19:51.28 | zenx1 | colonial wars + weakest link sounds good already |
| 19:51.44 | ducky | yes |
| 19:51.49 | zenx1 | someone was so impressed by my colonial wars skilsl they invited me to party ^^ |
| 19:51.59 | Hobrow | weakest link is back? |
| 19:52.11 | zenx1 | yes |
| 19:52.16 | Hobrow | nice |
| 19:52.29 | Taintedwisp | ok I changed a few things, Testing now |
| 19:52.53 | Hobrow | its hard to fail at remaking it, so it should be good |
| 19:53.09 | zenx1 | I tested it |
| 19:53.13 | zenx1 | its pretty decent |
| 19:53.24 | zenx1 | I think the units were way too smaal thou |
| 19:53.29 | zenx1 | couldnt even zoom |
| 19:53.40 | zenx1 | since the top view it was hard to tell ghost was a ghost |
| 19:53.48 | Taintedwisp | I hate Colonial line wars. They destroyed the old game.. |
| 19:53.55 | Taintedwisp | Its a good "Start" but thats about it |
| 19:53.58 | zenx1 | that map is so good |
| 19:54.02 | zenx1 | dont you dare to insult it |
| 19:54.06 | Taintedwisp | They have taken out over 80% of the things |
| 19:54.14 | Taintedwisp | Play Wc3 Civ wars |
| 19:54.17 | Taintedwisp | and you will see what I mean |
| 19:54.22 | zenx1 | I have played civi wars |
| 19:54.27 | zenx1 | its not even similar to that lol |
| 19:54.30 | zenx1 | so why compare |
| 19:54.31 | Taintedwisp | The bottom lane was boats, the top was planes, there was monuments |
| 19:54.37 | Taintedwisp | Colonial is based off Civ wars |
| 19:54.49 | zenx1 | umm where you got that info |
| 19:54.55 | zenx1 | you dont even have to build upgrade buildings |
| 19:55.04 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w9NeHV7LVQ |
| 19:55.18 | Taintedwisp | Thats because Colonial line wars is unfinished |
| 19:55.28 | Taintedwisp | the mules abilities dont work 90% of the time |
| 19:55.33 | Taintedwisp | its a great start.. but far from finished |
| 19:55.36 | zenx1 | what is that video suppose to proof......I KNOW WHAT CIVI WARS IIIIIIIIS |
| 19:55.56 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:56.03 | Taintedwisp | that its based off Civ wars |
| 19:56.20 | zenx1 | lol just from that |
| 19:56.21 | zenx1 | no |
| 19:56.25 | zenx1 | they look nothing alike |
| 19:56.35 | zenx1 | and are very different in many ways |
| 19:56.42 | zenx1 | gheez man |
| 19:56.48 | zenx1 | its like comparing cat and dog |
| 19:56.56 | zenx1 | they both have 4 legs |
| 19:57.00 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:57.10 | Taintedwisp | Colonial is just a stripped down version |
| 19:57.34 | zenx1 | its still good |
| 19:57.38 | zenx1 | even if it doesnt have all the same features |
| 19:57.46 | Hobrow | eats popcorn |
| 19:57.47 | zenx1 | civi wars was good too |
| 19:57.58 | Taintedwisp | Im just saying its unfinished... if they were trying to remake the original |
| 19:58.03 | Taintedwisp | By far unfinished |
| 19:58.11 | Taintedwisp | and that the Mules abilities are broken |
| 19:59.00 | Hobrow | go on i still have popcorn left |
| 19:59.13 | zenx1 | he finally said IF |
| 19:59.18 | zenx1 | nothing left to argue about |
| 19:59.35 | Hobrow | argue about something else then |
| 19:59.49 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:59.55 | zenx1 | zillion zerglings is better than hobrors zerg defence |
| 20:00.08 | Taintedwisp | I said if, it end the arguement, but 99% chance it was based off it lol |
| 20:00.16 | Taintedwisp | to* not it |
| 20:00.32 | zenx1 | :/ |
| 20:00.50 | Hobrow | i dont feed trolls |
| 20:00.57 | zenx1 | someone should make zillion zerglings 2 |
| 20:01.06 | Taintedwisp | VAILRETH, I DID IT IT WORKS |
| 20:01.07 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:01.08 | zenx1 | perhaps zerglings should evolve to banelings in that version |
| 20:01.14 | Vailreth | cool |
| 20:01.16 | Taintedwisp | Now I just have to learn how to make it levelab le |
| 20:01.17 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 20:01.41 | Taintedwisp | Though the splash is redicoulusly large |
| 20:01.51 | Taintedwisp | what value would I change to reduce the splash radius? |
| 20:02.26 | Taintedwisp | nvm |
| 20:02.30 | Taintedwisp | Imma just reduce the damage |
| 20:03.06 | Taintedwisp | each level will give it + 15 damage so 45 damage by the end that does in a large radius |
| 20:03.27 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 20:03.39 | Taintedwisp | Zenx... but do you know what mini chop farms is. |
| 20:03.40 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:03.44 | Taintedwisp | thats the question |
| 20:03.55 | zenx1 | sadly I do |
| 20:03.58 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 20:04.04 | Taintedwisp | Its not that bad |
| 20:04.05 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:04.10 | Taintedwisp | It does have that simplicity element |
| 20:04.21 | Taintedwisp | something to do when bored. i never set out to do anything else |
| 20:04.25 | zenx1 | I think I tried it once |
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| 20:04.36 | zenx1 | I was just gathering some wood when 10 marines came crushing in |
| 20:04.45 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:04.47 | zenx1 | thats the whole story of mini chop chop farms |
| 20:05.01 | Hobrow | why not replace trees with mineral fields and just name it mineral garden or so? |
| 20:05.15 | Taintedwisp | well it started out like that in a way |
| 20:05.16 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:05.33 | Hobrow | to be fair its just a remake of a wc2 map |
| 20:06.00 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CxsKciWBGA&feature=plcp |
| 20:06.04 | Taintedwisp | that was the original |
| 20:06.05 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:06.14 | Taintedwisp | then I started to upgrade it in huge patches |
| 20:06.22 | zenx1 | is it possible to tilt dialog images? |
| 20:06.55 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBaMTUNpot8&feature=plcp |
| 20:06.58 | Taintedwisp | Thats the last one I mad4e |
| 20:07.01 | Taintedwisp | the last video |
| 20:07.07 | Taintedwisp | so its been a LONG time since the last video |
| 20:07.14 | Taintedwisp | and I patch it about once a month in major patches |
| 20:07.15 | Hobrow | you mean like this |_| to this /_/ |
| 20:07.34 | zenx1 | nevermind Ill just use ugly arrow |
| 20:07.45 | zenx1 | there was some nice arrows but they were pointing in wrong direction |
| 20:07.50 | zenx1 | but Ill jsut use ugly ones |
| 20:08.09 | Hobrow | export them mirror them and reimport? |
| 20:08.17 | Taintedwisp | Hey is it possible to make an upgrade that changes a value on an ability? |
| 20:08.28 | Hobrow | yes |
| 20:08.28 | Taintedwisp | or effect I mean |
| 20:08.44 | Taintedwisp | Though thats very lazy... |
| 20:08.46 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:08.49 | Taintedwisp | nvm |
| 20:08.59 | Taintedwisp | Ill just figure it out to do it the REAL way for hero abilities and leveling |
| 20:09.19 | Hobrow | the real way? |
| 20:10.07 | zenx1 | aww why so many dislikes :( |
| 20:10.09 | zenx1 | damn haters |
| 20:10.17 | Hobrow | on what? |
| 20:10.38 | zenx1 | video |
| 20:10.54 | Hobrow | ........ |
| 20:11.46 | Taintedwisp | hahaha |
| 20:12.03 | Taintedwisp | yeah Maknuzz, trolled and created several accounts to do it.. |
| 20:12.04 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:12.56 | Taintedwisp | One day ill make a new video... |
| 20:13.02 | Taintedwisp | but I have to get a nicer computer first |
| 20:22.59 | Stewox | blizz-artestru here ? |
| 20:24.09 | Stewox | may I ask why EU Forums don't have Bug Report subforum, just asking directly i've sent to Support already and they just reply in el-standardo "we're improving our services as time goes on" and this was a year ago |
| 20:24.59 | Stewox | the overall difference on EU is pretty obviousy to US :( |
| 20:30.10 | Taintedwisp | What is a Valkyrie? I noticed its actor in the editor |
| 20:32.10 | Hobrow | sc:bw air unit |
| 20:32.32 | Hobrow | fires loads of smale rockets in a wide cone |
| 20:32.47 | Hobrow | which deal about 5dmg or so each |
| 20:32.50 | Taintedwisp | Huh, the model didnt work in the editor |
| 20:33.00 | Taintedwisp | Must not have been completed |
| 20:33.08 | Hobrow | was very good against loads of mustas |
| 20:33.12 | Hobrow | mutas |
| 20:34.01 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 20:34.15 | Taintedwisp | Guessing they were replaced by the amazing Vikings? |
| 20:34.19 | Taintedwisp | I love those things |
| 20:34.35 | Taintedwisp | I played tons of BW, just idnt remember that unit |
| 20:34.42 | Taintedwisp | Ofc I played protoss |
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| 20:35.25 | Taintedwisp | YOUR AN ANIMAL!!!! |
| 20:35.26 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:37.55 | Stewox | ah damn afk |
| 20:38.07 | Stewox | well later gtg |
| 20:46.51 | zenx1 | can someone translate to me |
| 20:47.06 | zenx1 | I dont quite understand what mean "Do you have ability lvl2" :D |
| 20:47.35 | zenx1 | I told him I dont understand |
| 20:47.40 | zenx1 | but he just keeps asking :( |
| 20:48.19 | Taintedwisp | I think hes asking if the ability levels up to level 2? |
| 20:48.20 | Taintedwisp | I guess |
| 20:48.57 | A1win | I have a targeted aoe ability that somehow snaps to the closest unit when I move the cursor close enough, any idea what's causing that? I want to disable it D: |
| 20:50.20 | A1win | nevermind |
| 20:50.33 | A1win | it's the impact location set as Target Unit/Point |
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| 21:13.26 | zenx1 | well this is weird |
| 21:13.37 | zenx1 | I tried map after patch |
| 21:13.41 | zenx1 | bank was wiped |
| 21:13.43 | zenx1 | tried 2nd time |
| 21:13.46 | zenx1 | stuff was back |
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| 21:17.31 | zenx1 | could there possibly be bug |
| 21:17.38 | zenx1 | that if someone is lobby while you patch |
| 21:17.46 | zenx1 | the bank doesnt load properly in that game |
| 21:17.49 | zenx1 | thats what I suspect |
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| 21:20.28 | eatriesp | back |
| 21:20.32 | eatriesp | Got danted |
| 21:20.34 | eatriesp | ... |
| 21:20.35 | themusic | how come when i devide 1 by 3, and i save the result as a variable, the result is 0 |
| 21:20.38 | eatriesp | Stupid Captcha |
| 21:20.49 | themusic | divide* |
| 21:21.08 | zenx1 | themusic: use reals instead of integers |
| 21:21.14 | zenx1 | so it doesnt "round" |
| 21:21.33 | themusic | a is an integer, b is an integer, and im saving a/b as a real number variable |
| 21:21.44 | themusic | but the real is 0 |
| 21:21.54 | zenx1 | how do you know its 0? |
| 21:22.11 | themusic | debug window, and debug text message in dialog |
| 21:22.11 | zenx1 | some got the precision thing |
| 21:22.46 | zenx1 | message in dialog has precision of 2 or something so it doesnt round? |
| 21:23.05 | themusic | yea its set to 4, still saves it as 0.0000 or 1.0000 |
| 21:23.15 | zenx1 | well then its pretty weird |
| 21:23.17 | Taintedwisp | So Vailreth, do you think those abilities will be hard to implement? |
| 21:23.26 | themusic | hmm |
| 21:23.45 | zenx1 | then you should make sure 1 is 1 and 3 is 3 |
| 21:23.47 | zenx1 | :/ |
| 21:24.16 | themusic | do i need to convert the integers to reals.. and then devide real A / Real B...? i dont think the initial values should matter.. just the variable storing the division result |
| 21:24.25 | zenx1 | unless you do the 1/3 as inger function first and AFTER turn it to real... |
| 21:24.38 | zenx1 | yea |
| 21:24.42 | zenx1 | sounds right |
| 21:25.04 | themusic | is there even a "convert integer to real" function? lol |
| 21:25.10 | zenx1 | yup |
| 21:25.27 | zenx1 | hard to see why it doesnt do it properly for you |
| 21:25.30 | themusic | oh.. there is |
| 21:25.41 | themusic | how lamesauce, lets see if it works |
| 21:27.38 | zenx1 | so does it? |
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| 21:39.03 | Khalint | okay time to design 330 talents >< |
| 21:39.20 | zenx1 | sounds like a lot |
| 21:39.33 | Khalint | yeah i already have about uhm maybe 70 or so |
| 21:39.40 | Khalint | but i came up with a new system so yeah |
| 21:39.45 | Khalint | needs more |
| 21:43.47 | zenx1 | whats it named |
| 21:43.49 | zenx1 | some rpg I guess? |
| 21:44.06 | Hobrow | sounds like youll have to use a lot of filler talents |
| 21:44.59 | zenx1 | its not as bad if its something useful like +3str |
| 21:45.10 | zenx1 | like stack 120 talents |
| 21:45.16 | Khalint | a number of talents change an ability |
| 21:45.24 | Khalint | you only get 1` of 3 |
| 21:45.34 | Khalint | traits are passives talents active |
| 21:45.48 | Khalint | traits are like audascity that gives +% attack power |
| 21:45.53 | Khalint | audacity* |
| 21:46.10 | Khalint | but like one talent set changes power strike to one of 3 different moves |
| 21:46.11 | Hobrow | talents that change abilitys or passives are the only real tlaents, everything else is just a plain upgrade |
| 21:46.22 | Khalint | thats why traits are just upgrades :P |
| 21:46.29 | Khalint | talents add or change abilities |
| 21:46.44 | Hobrow | well then have fun with 330 talents :D |
| 21:46.53 | Khalint | but each class has 10 traits end only enough points for maybe maxing 3 |
| 21:47.14 | Hobrow | how many talents per class? |
| 21:47.22 | Khalint | 15 |
| 21:47.32 | Khalint | 5 sets of 3 each one 5 levels apart |
| 21:47.38 | Khalint | 3 tiers of classes |
| 21:48.02 | Hobrow | does the 15 include levels of talents? |
| 21:48.23 | Khalint | yeah so its 3 talents of which you can pick one, in 5 tiers so 15 |
| 21:48.34 | Khalint | but then theres 3 tiers of classes |
| 21:48.41 | Khalint | so a fighter can become a thief and a thief a rogue |
| 21:48.42 | ckSynergy|AFK | hmmmm |
| 21:48.49 | ckSynergy|AFK | where are talents located again? |
| 21:48.55 | ckSynergy|AFK | ability tab? |
| 21:48.57 | zenx1 | interestng that most people thinkg more = better |
| 21:49.06 | zenx1 | I do less = quality |
| 21:49.14 | Khalint | depends on how you do more |
| 21:49.15 | Khalint | :P |
| 21:49.40 | Khalint | the design is one ive been working on for years, thoguh i recently made a fe changes |
| 21:50.00 | Khalint | but in the end for each class you have youll only have a handful of abilities |
| 21:51.47 | ckSynergy | ok, I know I saw a talent ability/behavior/effect |
| 21:51.55 | ckSynergy | somewhere something lol |
| 21:53.48 | Khalint | hrm maybe i should put this spreadsheet on google docs instead of excel |
| 21:55.19 | Hobrow | you can realize talents in many ways |
| 21:57.00 | Hobrow | but a dater object just for a talent is something i havent heard of before |
| 21:57.06 | Hobrow | data* |
| 22:00.18 | Khalint | there we go imported that spreadsheet to google docs now i can work on it at work lol |
| 22:00.56 | Khalint | that is when we finish the like 30 computers we have waiting to get fixed >< |
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| 22:25.45 | Taintedwisp | So vailreth what did you think.. |
| 22:25.59 | Taintedwisp | how hard will it be for me to implement those? |
| 22:37.39 | Vailreth | sorry ive been napping |
| 22:38.59 | Taintedwisp | :P |
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| 22:42.37 | Taintedwisp | http://news.yahoo.com/york-robbers-unmasked-grateful-note-disguise-155800269--abc-news-topstories.html |
| 22:42.38 | Taintedwisp | AHAHAHA |
| 22:42.41 | Taintedwisp | Dumbasses |
| 22:58.42 | Taintedwisp | I think I want 3 terran, 3 Zerg and 3 protoss heroes to start out with on release |
| 22:58.46 | Taintedwisp | so 9 heros in all |
| 22:58.52 | Taintedwisp | and I will add more over time |
| 23:03.36 | Kubi | BUT BUT |
| 23:03.39 | Kubi | DELETARIUS |
| 23:04.28 | Taintedwisp | Hmm whats a good name for a Protoss Hero? |
| 23:04.34 | Taintedwisp | I have swarm mother and beef o matic |
| 23:10.56 | ckSynergy | NotaToss |
| 23:11.29 | ckSynergy | Aezlot |
| 23:11.30 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 23:24.41 | ckSynergy | guess not lol |
| 23:26.32 | Repo | New experimental map: Cliff wars - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/cliff-wars/ |
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| 23:40.47 | ckSynergy | hmmm |
| 23:41.54 | A1win | gaah what on earth is it with this loading screen disappearing D: it never did that before 1.5.0 |
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| 23:43.40 | Bibendus | mmm |
| 23:43.57 | A1win | does that happen in other maps? |
| 23:43.58 | Bibendus | do scrolling bars exist in dialogs? |
| 23:46.31 | A1win | yeah |
| 23:46.46 | A1win | haven't used them though |
| 23:46.49 | Bibendus | cool |
| 23:46.52 | Bibendus | I bet they don't work :D |
