IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20120820

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00:10.12TaintedwispOH GOD!!! TORDY
00:10.17TaintedwispI HAVE A HOLE IN MY STOMACH
00:10.30Taintedwisphe aint even here...
00:10.31Taintedwisplol
00:12.19TaintedwispWOW, I didnt know it, but Footmen Frenzy is dead
00:12.19Taintedwisplol
00:12.31TaintedwispI meant Zealot Frenzy
00:15.59BibendusI'm starting making serious hive keeper maps yey
00:16.15Bibendusmaps into the map
00:16.17Bibendusmapception
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00:28.52taintedwispHeroes are confusing
00:29.49Vailrethhow so
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00:53.04Taintedwisphmmm
00:53.16TaintedwispYeah Heroes are not as confusing... but still kinda confusing, lol
00:53.29TaintedwispFor somereason It had taken away all my movement lawl
00:53.32Taintedwispbut I fixed it
00:53.49Taintedwispblizzard needs to make a complete Text Hero Guide
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02:33.46RepoNew asset: Ghost Hero (Alpha) - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/ghost-hero-alpha/
02:33.47RepoNew map: Hero Creation Tutorial Map - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/hero-creation-tutorial-map/
02:33.47RepoNew map: The Fallen RPG - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/fallen-rpg/
02:33.47RepoNew map: Pest Invasion - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/pest-invasion/
02:33.47RepoNew asset: Gehenna Tileset - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/gehenna-tileset/
02:33.49RepoNew asset: Zion Tileset - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/zion-tileset/
02:34.06RepoNew experimental map: Random Units - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/random-units/
02:37.45Dogmaistfu bot
02:38.00DogmaiWho knows about changing Hotkeys in GameHotkeys.txt
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03:59.37tordyall hail the king baby!
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04:55.58Iiris_FrostAnyone here good with the UI Xml stuff?
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05:55.26DogmaiI <3 Deletarius
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07:32.31XenoX101anyone know how I can fix the Param/Value stuff on all my text when I load the map?
07:32.45XenoX101I dont think its a localization issue because I only have one localization I'm using
07:32.51XenoX101and havent transferred it to any other editor
07:36.59tordyonly thing that comes to my mind is localization issues
07:49.47KubiWHAT
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09:21.11Totserviscries
09:22.02Totservis1.5 improved latency so cycling is much easier now. And that's why pros leave game T_T I got to add an artificial delay.
09:35.00muzzylol
09:35.59muzzyyou could make the delay grow slowly! ... at first, everything's smooth for everyone, and slowly the latency keeps adding up.  hey, that'd probably make an interesting map - lag wars
09:36.23muzzyas the latency keeps growing, you have to predict what your opponent did 5 minutes ago - to counter him 5 minutes later!
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09:37.31muzzyj0 goaaaa, verte here
09:38.13muzzyi just got an awesome idea for a map:  command latency that keeps growing and growing.  in the beginning, everything you order happens immediately, but later all your actions start taking more and more time to go through
09:48.59Totserviswhy there is no delay option in camera triggers >_<
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11:00.50goaaaaSomebody from the US server plz post here: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6231594160?page=12 that they claimed they increased bank size to 1mb here: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6232274277 and its not true. And do they know about that their bank signature are hacked?
11:10.56Totservislol
11:11.31Totservisi am addicted to custom scripts - so unconvinient to learn someone's triggers :D
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11:16.42muzzygoa: i'm pretty sure blizzard knows the signatures have been hacked long ago
11:18.10muzzyeither the signature mechanism wasn't developed by anyone skilled in the subject, or they just didn't seriously care about the hacking aspect
11:18.35muzzywhile there aren't technical means to protect the signatures, they could've added a secret key in the mix
11:19.04muzzyand claimed that distributing the secret key constitutes a circumvention of DRM or something
11:19.40muzzyit would've been possible to "weaponize" the bank signature code to enable legal attacks against people who bypass it
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11:45.27goaaaamuzzy legal action dont scare hackers specially if they arent in US. (it doesnt scares me too) They should have made banks server side... And I am not sure Blizz knows about that the signature is hacked, they doesnt even read their own forum...
11:48.04muzzygoaaaa: europe is becoming danger zone pretty fast too, with new copyright laws already in place for a few years now
11:49.02muzzyhttps://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/05/effective-technological-measures-it-means-what-it-says-says-finnish-court
11:49.05muzzyetc
11:49.23muzzythe courts rule pretty randomly though
11:50.34muzzyand legal action might not scare the hackers, but it scares everyone else ... paypal, webhosts, etc
11:50.44goaaaaActa was rejected all the others will be rejected, In my country probably 50% of internet users "pirate" stuff.
11:50.50muzzyso it's going to end up more and more difficult to actually distribute such things
11:50.56goaaaayou cant arrest millions...
11:50.58Ahliblizzard reads their forums.
11:51.07muzzyACTA is unfortunately just one victory among hundreds of battles
11:51.38muzzyanyway, you cant arrest millions but you can pick a few targets and cause significant damage
11:51.51goaaaaAhli no they dont. If they would read the EU forum they would ban me:D
11:52.25muzzygoa, they read *some* of the posts ... randomly ... at random times
11:52.44goaaaamuzzy signature wasnt hacked for profit so they cant do anything about it. (you can still access net anonymously very easily....)
11:53.02muzzymeanwhile, i encouraged some people to report me for cheating since i'm distributing a javascript bankfile hack.  i'm eagerly waiting to see how this will turn out :)
11:53.30AhliI've talked to them and I got a very up to date impression of them... you can't expect them to read everything around tournaments in EU, though... they have only limited resources to do all that stuff.
11:54.22muzzygoa: well .. in finland, profit is no longer requirement for copyright infringements of any kind.  here, if you use the internet to do the acts, it's enough to make it a crime
11:54.22goaaaaAhli they read none in EU specially the custom map forum. (they may say otherwise but lying is human thing:D)
11:55.12muzzyi'm kinda disappointed at lack of blue posters in the custom map forum :(
11:55.22Ahliat least they read other areas... maybe you got higher chances to change something there... so post on TL or reddit or wherever ;D
11:55.25muzzythere are so many things i'd want to ask blizzard
11:55.27goaaaamuzzy you dont understand me, you cant prosecute anonymous people... making profit from something would need to be non-anonymous. (however with bitcoin you solve even that)
11:55.44muzzygoa: well yes, if you're anonymous then it's fairly safe
11:55.51muzzybut i dont like doing things anonymously myself :)
11:56.12muzzyi (still) have a little bit of respect towards legal system, so i believe the right course of the action is to do everything in the open
11:56.24muzzyand walk through the legal bullshit and have it changed if necessary
11:56.37AhliI've suggested them to add an icon to post that have been seen by blue guys... the customers in the forum have the feeling that they are all alone there and that is something I would like to see them change.
11:56.51goaaaaI have no respect at all for the legal system:D
11:56.57muzzyahli, lol
11:57.09Ahlithey can't respond to everything. else the forums would be filled up with short answer blue posts
11:57.25muzzygoa: i've kinda lost respect for copyright law ... but the legal system as a whole, it's still better than people settling their issues among themselves
11:57.48muzzyahli, it just seems they aren't responding to anything at all
11:58.02goaaaamuzzy depends of country. (Police here actually lost a video evidence in my father's case...)
11:58.40goaI have no respect for any copyright or drug law:D
11:58.44muzzyi cant remember ever seeing blue post in any non-stickied thread in the eu custom map forum .... maybe there are some, but not often enough to catch one without specifically looking for it
11:59.36muzzyohwell, let's not derail the discussion here
12:00.30muzzyi could talk about legal bullshit for hours.  anyway, the point was, blizzard obviously expected signatures to get hacked and didn't care
12:00.39goaayeah, lets post my stuff in the US forum
12:01.22goaaI want 1mb banks, or I dont think I will continue maping. (its need for my rpg)
12:03.08Ahlithey said that they will/use a 1mb bank limit...
12:03.37Ahliso work on your rpg... it won't be finished until you need that limit anyway ;D
12:03.43Ahli*hit
12:04.19AhliI require the increase, too. But that doesn't stop me from development...
12:04.32goaaI wont bet on that. But I think I can be faster than Blizz fixing stuffs:D
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12:06.36Ahlialso, I hope that they will release the 3dsMax plugin earlier. I told them that it was in my arcade beta invititation mail listed with all 1.5 features... maybe it will appear before hots then... Even a buggy unfinished version will help other plugin developers to bring that stuff to blender/etc.
12:14.38JademusSregPew pew/
12:15.12JademusSregDid I miss all the fun?
12:15.33Ahliyou missed all the fun of the last 2 months
12:15.40muzzythere's no fun anywhere. *grumpy face*
12:15.44JademusSregIs that how long it's been?
12:15.46JademusSregHm.
12:15.51AhliI don't know
12:15.55AhliI guesse
12:15.56Ahlid
12:16.38JademusSregStayed up so late I had the privilege of dropping the kids off at school. So pardon in advance if my mind gets a bit fuzzy.
12:17.36Ahlidid you sleep already?
12:17.40JademusSregNope.
12:17.46JademusSregFigured I will in an hour or so.
12:17.48JademusSregMaybe,
12:21.06JademusSregHas anything interesting happened during the interim?
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12:35.12MGC-Eimtrdoes any1 know what can be the problem - a camera object doesn't follow a unit close from behind, it's some large distance away, Distance of the camera is set to 4 and there are no cliffs to make the camera climb or go away..
12:35.37JademusSregIs it only while moving?
12:35.41JademusSregOr when stationary?
12:35.43MGC-Eimtrthis happeneds since 1.5 before that it was ok
12:35.58MGC-Eimtrwhen its moving to follow
12:36.04MGC-Eimtrand stationary as well so both
12:36.19JademusSregAh. Could be a new field in the camera data.
12:36.43MGC-Eimtris there such cause when I see camera object has the same fields
12:36.44JademusSregOr a change to the default Camera existing field.
12:37.15JademusSregAny changes to the parent not explicitly overwritten would be inherited to all its children entries.
12:37.43JademusSregSo, as patches often do, changes to the parents break stuff.
12:38.17JademusSregO'course, since I'm not modding anymore, I can't hazard to guess what the problem is specifically.
12:38.42MGC-EimtrWell I set it again view location frm behind the unit but it always looks at the unit way behind, reducing Distance doesn't help
12:38.56TheSkunk__You just come in here because you miss us all? =]
12:39.35JademusSregI'm on freenode server to chat with dev buddies. I just happen to have this one on my autojoin list, and I didn't want to be a dick and snub everyone.
12:39.54TheSkunk__ahhhh, I see
12:40.13TheSkunk__was just curious
12:40.19JademusSregEim, the camera should have another field for defining an offset, several, perhaps.
12:40.38JademusSregI mean, distance, height, whatever else. So much shit to get it into position.
12:41.22MGC-EimtrYes but X Offset is only forward and backward and does nothing it's the same as dragging and moving the camera across the terrain
12:41.26MGC-Eimtrand Y is just left/right
12:41.31JademusSregAngle of Attack is another one.
12:42.07JademusSreg(Weird name for a non-combat data type, but whatever.)
12:42.57MGC-EimtrPrtoof of 1.5 screwing up is that before that my camera was on the height of the unit right behind it, when I opened the map it was like -100 Z Offset
12:43.50MGC-Eimtrofc before 1.5 I had to set the camera to -100 Offset to be on the level of the unit but it all worked fine, now in 1.5 the camera is way below the units and when I increassed the offset to appropriate height thats what happens
12:44.04MGC-Eimtrotherwise if i leave it way below the units, naturally it doesn't show anything
12:45.15JademusSregbbl
12:56.37Bibendussc2mapster Y U no update news?
12:56.57Bibendusslaps Sixen upside da head with a hairy goldfish
12:57.04Bibendusspecially you sixen!
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13:15.18TheSkunk__Why, what needs to be updated Bibendus?
13:15.35BibendusI wanted some news by gamescom
13:15.38BibendusI suppose sixen was there
13:16.53TheSkunk__from what I heard, there wasn't much interesting that was sc2-related to see there, sadly..
13:17.30Bibendus:|
13:18.56TheSkunk__Have you seen the blog posts on the EU sc2 site?
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13:20.35Bibendusuh no
13:20.40Bibenduslink?
13:20.42Bibenduson blizzard?
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13:21.05TheSkunk__http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/
13:21.17TheSkunk__theres like 3 posts there and a picture gallery
13:21.56TheSkunk__Tells you about all there was to know I'm pretty sure; there wasn't much changed in the HotS build there and there were no big reveals or new info that I know of
13:22.25Bibendusdamn
13:22.28Bibendusthere was a lot of things
13:22.35Bibendusdevs said to people that's gone to gamescom
13:22.47Bibendusbut probably can't be told on sites
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13:32.14Ashamedi am tired
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13:34.41Hatiso much heat >.<
13:36.09TheSkunk__Heat?
13:36.17TheSkunk__Been extremely cool here
13:37.23TheSkunk__Got down to 6.6c (44f) at night recently..
13:38.02muzzythat is indeed cool
13:38.07Ahli31°C here atm
13:38.11Hati36°
13:38.16Hatino rain
13:38.52Hatisince 3 or 4 days
13:40.05muzzyat least the modern technology provides such joys as air conditioning.  imagine if you had no electricity
13:41.34TheSkunk__I can relate, was that hot and dry out earlier this year here
13:41.42Hatiatleast the modern technology makes such things as air conditioning expensive ...
13:41.56TheSkunk__Its 18c out currently :P
13:42.30TheSkunk__heh no air conditioning in my house =/
13:42.37TheSkunk__was pretty bad on the hot days
13:44.50muzzywell, at least modern technology provides you with easy access to ice
13:45.06muzzyin form of ice cubes to go in your drinks
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13:45.52muzzyback before freezers were invented, people would ship ice all over the world and it was super profitable
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13:53.17Ashamedice cubes
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13:57.47HatiAshamed: only cold woman's hand are more effective
14:35.06AshamedI AM OLD GREGG
14:38.00Dogmaiso
14:38.12Dogmaigood morning my american mateys
14:38.28Dogmaiwe aussies have had so much fun whilst you slept
14:38.30Dogmaishit is hitting the fan
14:38.37Dogmaishit is hitting the fan ~~~~
14:38.41Dogmailalalala.......
14:43.06TheSkunk__?
14:43.15TheSkunk__What jolly good stuff have we missed?
14:45.04Dogmaihttp://us.battle.net/d3/en/
14:45.08Dogmailook at popular topics
14:45.17TheSkunk__oh, that
14:45.44Dogmaiive been watching this shit for hours and hours
14:45.47Dogmaibefore dinner even
14:45.51TheSkunk__I thought you meant somthing sc2 related.. D3 people are always raging, even if it is with good reason
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14:57.12XenoX101is it just me or are dialogs the most boring thing in the entire god damn planet to make
14:58.42Vailrethi agree
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15:02.48DresniaWhatzaaa.
15:03.01XenoX101I'm seriously put off finishing this map due to dialogs
15:03.12Vailrethive done that too
15:03.39XenoX101the ironic thing is that I used to do graphic design, I should be -craving- this stuff
15:03.43Dresniaslaps Ashamed around a bit with a large trout
15:03.46Dresniaairplane guy!
15:03.55XenoX101but its just so damn tedious and not fun in any way shape or form
15:04.04Vailrethi know what you mean
15:04.06DresniaAnyone remember me? (you better do)
15:04.16DresniaI feel like delivering some terrain candy if anyone needs halp
15:07.15DresniaWow, this channel is still as dead silent even tho' I hoped more active mappers with 1.5...
15:07.31Ahlihttp://i50.tinypic.com/d754.jpg posters' names seem to be the real people.
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15:09.04Blizz-DeletariusMorning everyone
15:09.14Vailrethmorning
15:09.30Dresnialegit Blizz or fake?
15:09.36Vailrethlegit
15:09.38Ahlilegit
15:09.46Ahlior is he duped?
15:09.48Dresniacool
15:09.56DresniaI mean blizz employee that is
15:21.41XenoX101meh, I think any developer who has some emotional investment in their creations can see where Jay Wilson's coming from
15:22.02XenoX101people are just blowing it out of proportion because it's an over-reaction and because of the D3 drama
15:25.25Blizz-DeletariusI'm not LegiT
15:25.27Blizz-Deletariusbut I am legit
15:25.56Blizz-Deletariuswhat d3 drama?
15:26.01AhliStill, the statement is unprofessional. A man in his position shouldn't react to that. D3 had great sales, but is lacking appeals D2 had. Of course another developer would make the game different. It's not totally set in stone how things need to be done. It's nothing one should be ashamed_ of.
15:26.17Blizz-Deletariusand what statement?
15:26.22Ahlihttp://www.giantbomb.com/diablo-iii/61-20803/diablo-3-developers-react-angrily-to-dave-brevik-interview/35-557768/
15:26.43Blizz-Deletariusoh boy
15:26.47Blizz-Deletariusreading
15:26.53HP-X|ArthasITS GLORIOUS
15:26.58HP-X|ArthasAnd it's everywhere :D
15:27.05HP-X|ArthasTwitter, reddit, official forums, fan forums
15:27.12HP-X|ArthasDo not forget the popcorn
15:27.30HP-X|ArthasD3 had great sales, but not because it was a good game :p
15:28.49TheSkunk__back
15:28.56Blizz-DeletariusI like d3 a lot
15:29.02Blizz-Deletariusand i'm not saying that because I work at Blizz
15:29.28Blizz-Deletariusit's a lot of fun, I've just hit a brick wall in a2 inferno about a month ago, but been too busy to push past it
15:29.40TheSkunk__Oh gosh, if Deletarius == LegiT that would be the most mindblowing split personality ever
15:29.43Ashamedyeah that dave thing is funny
15:29.47Ashamedit just proves blizzard fucking suck
15:29.54Blizz-Deletariuso-O
15:30.02TheSkunk__I was just helping that dude test his map on b.net yesterday...x___X
15:30.02Ashamedthey can't take any opinions / direction... this is why d3 fucking blowed
15:30.09Ashamedsorry delatarius >< nothing against sc2 devs
15:30.15Blizz-Deletariusanyway
15:30.32Blizz-Deletariusthis is dangerous territory for me, so, where's the original interview?
15:30.37Ashamedlet me get it
15:30.39Ahlican't find the google cache link atm anymore
15:30.41Ashamedits not bad at all....
15:30.51Ashamedhttp://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/08/20/diablo-3-team-spars-with-series-creator-online/
15:30.53Ahlisite is down due to traffic I think :D
15:31.01HP-X|Arthashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_XiT2mifo < that one?
15:31.01Vailrethhmm ui editing as it stands is such a pain
15:31.13Ashamedall dave said was that he could tell there were key players that were involved in d1/d2 and it made him happy to know that they couldn't be replaced
15:31.15muzzyoh, someone from blizzard!  now let me find the list of questions i've compiled .. oh wait, i didn't compile a list
15:31.32HP-X|ArthasI just don't get why they got so butthurt from that interview.
15:31.36Ahlihttp://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4lbEVDxBxR8J:diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/interview-diablo-creator-david-brevik-discusses-his-feelings-on-diablo-3+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us here is the whole interview with transscript
15:32.01Ashamedyeah blizzard did it again arthas lol....
15:32.21HP-X|ArthasBtw Ashamed , my phone works again!
15:32.26HP-X|ArthasYa, seems like it.
15:32.29Ashamedgot that server going lol
15:32.41HP-X|ArthasI'm waiting to see how they are to damage control their way out of this one.
15:32.43Ahliwe can only imagine the hot steam that was created in the past years between the development guys...
15:32.48HP-X|ArthasI haven't seen this much shit since RealID :D
15:33.16Blizz-Deletariusimo, the only people that had a problem with real id were people who were trolling
15:33.37muzzyaww man, we got someone from blizzard here but i dont dare interrupt your consumption of popcorn.  so, dele, do you come here often? :p
15:33.40HP-X|ArthasWell, I don't usually troll. But I still dislike having my name posted publically
15:34.00Blizz-Deletariusdo you have a facebook or twitter account?
15:34.14HP-X|ArthasYes, yes I do. Thightly tied down
15:34.21Blizz-Deletariuswell alright then :)
15:34.23HP-X|ArthasNot with my real name though
15:34.25HP-X|ArthasWhy?
15:34.41Blizz-Deletariusanyway, Muzzy, myself and a few of the other devs are in here pretty regularly since 1.5.0
15:34.56Blizz-Deletariusas well as on the custom map forum
15:35.06AhliI don't want to give out my real name to the whole internet because of the kids of the internet. I wouldn't want my parents to receive random letters with love and hate about myself, etc...
15:35.07muzzyBlizz-Deletarius: i haven't seen blue posts on the custom map forum!
15:35.22TheSkunk__You haven't?
15:35.26TheSkunk__o.0 EU or NA?
15:35.26Blizz-Deletariuso_O
15:35.29muzzyonly in the stickies
15:35.31muzzyEU
15:35.33TheSkunk__ahhh
15:35.34Blizz-Deletariusah
15:35.36TheSkunk__there is your troubles
15:35.43Blizz-DeletariusI see your problem now
15:35.51Blizz-Deletarius:P
15:35.51TheSkunk__lol
15:36.04Blizz-Deletariushttp://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/13437/
15:36.05TheSkunk__Me and Deletarius copying eachother :P
15:36.11Blizz-Deletariusyep
15:36.18HP-X|ArthasWell waddaya know
15:36.19AhliI've heard that it was a decision based on your own wish as developers to get more contanct with the community... awesome :)
15:36.24HP-X|ArthasIP seems to belong to blizz
15:36.24HP-X|Arthas:p
15:36.29muzzyi got a lot of boring questions to ask, boring things i want answers to, etc.  and mostly, i'd like blizzard to publish some policies about custom maps
15:36.38Ashamedarthas i did that the other day ha
15:36.42Blizz-Deletariussuch as?
15:36.43HP-X|Arthas:D
15:36.54Vailrethi love modding sc2 i can lose hours of the day tinkering with data and such but the UI editor as it stands i am completetly at a loss.
15:36.56TheSkunk__Deltarius, can I join in on the hoards of voices crying out to you with questions and ask you why my secondary variant is reseting every time I exit the editor, and if it is a known bug?
15:37.12Blizz-Deletariushas anyone posted about it?
15:37.18TheSkunk__Well, I have
15:37.19muzzywell... several maps are or have been selling in-game advantages for real money.  yet there isn't any recent post about this issue anywhere
15:37.33Blizz-Deletariuswhich ones Muzzy?
15:37.43AshamedYeah Deletarius you can let your blizzard boss know that there is alot of shit i am very upset with about blizzard.. but letting you guys come in here is really cool. I do like the decision blizzard made with you guys coming in here.
15:37.59Blizz-Deletariushah
15:38.07Blizz-Deletariuslike what Ashamed? :)
15:38.08muzzyBlizz-Deletarius: right now, i'm focusing on map called MineralZ Evolution (on EU, there's another map with same name in US i believe from someone else)
15:38.32muzzyso i'm wondering what i can do to make the map author stop selling things
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15:38.51muzzyi've reported the map 3 times now (in the past 3 days, lol) ... so how long does it take for the reports to be processed?
15:38.53Blizz-Deletariuswell for one, you can create a post about the maps that are doing this on the forums
15:39.03Blizz-Deletariusand I can relay that information
15:39.47muzzycurrently i only know of this map, because i haven't played much recently, i know some other maps used to do it in the past
15:39.52HP-X|ArthasTime to cook, later guys. And Ashamed, we need to catch up sometime :p
15:39.56muzzyanyway ... next question is about GetPlayerHandle()
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15:40.14AshamedI dunno ... just i havn't seen a good qaulity game since wow....small things like the editor in sc2 i still love but other then that blizzard games don't hold my attention anymore.... Only thing that really does is the editor. :) so at least you guys have been putting some attention to the part of the game that i still enjoy ha
15:40.33muzzyfrom what i understand, the API for getting played handle came sort of silently and blizzard haven't explained the reasons for its existance
15:40.46muzzyyet, it's only useful for treating players in unequal fashion depending on who they are
15:41.11Blizz-DeletariusI think that's all just personal preference Ashamed, the games are the main reason why I actually joined Blizzard
15:41.13Ashamedi dunno after seeing the new counter strike go come out... they realized that they didn't make any major changes... thus only charging 15 dollars.. I really respects valve for doing this.. because i wanted a new Counter strike.. and Valve already knew not to touch their game
15:41.26Ashamedthey just reported it for the age.. and charing 15 dollars. Its amazingf
15:41.32Ashamedif blizzard did that ;) i would love em
15:42.00AhliI don't expect them to simulate the broken engine of scbw
15:42.12TheSkunk__I've never much liked any of Blizzards games besides their RTS's, and I liked their latest RTS.. so everything is goin' fine with me :D
15:42.15Hobrowmuzzy do you really think deletarius can talk about that?
15:42.16Blizz-Deletariuswell, you already did that for us, didn't you Ahli? :P
15:42.21AshamedNow it would be one thing if Blizzard made an entire new game.. I bet the quality would still be there.. but i feel like their 3 games are falling and they should make something new....
15:42.33muzzyHobrow: probably not, but he can possibly find answers and relay a message that answers are desired
15:42.38Blizz-DeletariusHobrow's right, I can't really talk about GetPlayerHandle()
15:42.53Blizz-Deletariusor the "controversy" that's surrounding it
15:43.02Ahlino. maverck tries to simulate scbw's movement... (which wasn't bad).
15:43.04Blizz-Deletariuswe're aware of it though
15:43.20Blizz-Deletariuswell, you did SC2BW right?
15:43.20muzzywell, if you can, pass a note that some players want to know if the map is using the API or not prior to playing the map
15:43.24Ahlino
15:43.32Blizz-Deletariusoh?
15:43.43Ahlidia blo - mortal shroud
15:43.48Blizz-Deletariuswell I knew that
15:43.53Blizz-DeletariusI thought you did SC2bw too
15:43.58Ahlino :D
15:44.00Blizz-Deletariusah
15:44.03Blizz-Deletariuswho did that?
15:44.09muzzyi personally will avoid all maps that use the GetPlayerHandle() API, because i like playing maps that are designed to be fair and stable .. the problem is, it's kinda pain to check if map is using it or not
15:44.15AhliMaverCK I think
15:44.19Blizz-Deletariuscool, thanks
15:44.20EiviynSomeone from TeamLiquid, not sure he comes here
15:44.30Blizz-Deletariusthat's fine Muzzy
15:44.49TheSkunk__Anyone have any idea how to fix these problems of mine: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6352025235#9 ?
15:46.09Blizz-DeletariusI threw out an email to our team Skunk, we'll see what happens (it's early though)
15:46.22EiviynHow many "How to play" and "overview" screenshots can you have? Is there a limit at all?
15:46.34EiviynNever seen more than 5
15:46.36Blizz-DeletariusI thought it was 3 of each?
15:46.43Blizz-Deletariusoh, then 5 I suppose
15:46.51EiviynI think SotIS has 5 on the overview
15:46.57TheSkunk__Thanks Delet! There are temporary workarounds for both these issues, but they are still annoying bugs :(
15:47.01Hobrow5 is max
15:47.06EiviynFor both?
15:47.11Blizz-Deletariusimo, if you can't explain the map or how to play in 5 or less...then you should have a tutorial map
15:47.12Hobrowyou cant select more than 5 from the editor
15:47.21Hobrow5 for each
15:47.30Blizz-Deletariusor, you should make the game easier to understand
15:47.35EiviynYeah the tutorial system is very nice
15:47.47Ahlianyone is actually using tutorials?
15:47.53Blizz-DeletariusI would assume so
15:48.00EiviynI messed around with it a little, there's a few maps with them
15:48.03Blizz-DeletariusI don't have any metrics though
15:48.17Hobrowtheskunk_ give me a sec
15:48.31EiviynIs there a trigger condition to check if a player is playing your map as a tutorial?
15:48.44EiviynThe only way I found to check was to run the tutorial under a different game variant
15:49.01EiviynBut adding a game variant to your map resets it's popularity (as far as I can tell)
15:49.27EiviynThat, and people can choose the "tutorial" game variant in the lobby
15:49.47Ahliattribute game value?
15:50.01EiviynYes that was part of the workaround
15:50.01Bibendusno eiv
15:50.07EiviynGet 2 game variant modes
15:50.10Bibendusit doesnt
15:50.12EiviynAdd a game attribute to each
15:50.14Bibendusit's a visualization bug
15:50.19EiviynOh
15:50.20Bibendusif you refresh you see them again
15:50.27Bibendusit happened to me too
15:50.39EiviynBut you can still choose the "tutorial" game variant in the lobby though, right?
15:50.40Bibenduscuz I'm working a lot with variants and tutorial
15:50.47EiviynIs there a way to disable that? I couldn't find anything
15:50.48Bibendusye
15:50.54Bibendusto disable it?
15:50.56Bibenduswell
15:50.59EiviynYeah, or hide it
15:50.59Bibendusif you set it as a tutorial
15:51.01Bibendusin the arcade info
15:51.06Bibendusyou can't select it in the game variants
15:51.10Bibenduswhile creating a game
15:51.16Bibendusit's auto hidden
15:51.18EiviynReally? I checked myself and I could choose it
15:51.21Bibendusif it's the tutorial mode
15:51.25Bibendusbe careful
15:51.26EiviynI could even swap to it
15:51.29Bibendusbecasue when you add new game variants
15:51.33Bibendusthe tutorial settings reset
15:51.37Bibendusand you have to set them again
15:51.43Bibendusit may be a bug
15:51.46Bibenduspops down the farm, grabs a Shetland Pony and slaps Blizz-Deletarius with it!
15:51.51Bibendusyes forgot to report it
15:51.51Bibendus!
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15:52.31Bibendusmgc?
15:52.47MGC-Eimtr?
15:52.52Bibendusis it a clan? :P
15:52.58Bibendusor some important site
15:53.03Blizz-Deletariuswoah
15:53.09Bibendushallo dele
15:53.09Bibendus:P
15:53.10Blizz-Deletariushow BM bibendus
15:53.19BibendusBM?
15:53.20Bibendus:P
15:53.26Ahlifor the pony...
15:53.29Bibendusoh
15:53.32Bibendusthat's quite rude :P
15:53.36Blizz-Deletariusso bm
15:53.38Bibendusthese slaps are weird
15:53.41Bibenduspops down the farm, grabs a Shetland Pony and slaps Ahli with it!
15:53.44Bibendusdusts off a kitchen towel and slaps it at Ahli
15:53.48MGC-Eimtrclan
15:53.50Bibendusgives Ahli a clout round the head with a fresh copy of HydraIRC
15:53.51Ahlislaps a large trout around a bit with ahli
15:53.55Bibendusoh k :P
15:54.03Bibendusbtw deletarius there is a bug
15:54.05Blizz-Deletariusand here I was thinking it was Magic the Gathering Casters
15:54.20Bibendusif you have set the tutorial mode on a particular game mode
15:54.34Bibendusgame variant sorry
15:54.49Bibendusif you add new game variants the tutorial mode is reset or set to the wrong game variant
15:55.09Blizz-Deletariushas something about this been posted?
15:55.09Bibendusnow I'll do the usual report
15:55.14Bibendus:D
15:55.21Blizz-Deletariusatta boy
15:55.32BibendusI just wanted to wake you up a bit :P
15:57.16EiviynA trigger condition would be awesome
15:57.19BibendusEiviyn did you try?
15:57.21Eiviyn"Game is in tutorial mode"
15:57.26Bibenduslol
15:57.29EiviynLike the "Game is in test mode" condition
15:57.29Bibendususe game variants
15:57.31Bibendusand whatever
15:57.32Bibendus:P
15:57.38Bibendusye the use is cryptic
15:57.55Bibendusyou can say it to deletarius
15:58.05Bibendusbut he will probably redirect you to the suggestions thread :D
15:58.09EiviynI'll play with trying the game variant thing tonight, I spent a while with it though and it wasn't hidden for me
15:58.11Bibendushttp://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6307501153?page=2#27
15:58.19EiviynI'm open to the possibility that I screwed up or missed something though
15:58.26Bibendusif you want
15:58.31BibendusI can give you any answer about
15:58.41Bibendusconsidering I used them succesfully at first try :P
15:59.04Bibenduswhat do you need to know?
15:59.38Blizz-Deletariusafk for a bit
16:03.07Bibendusk
16:05.49XenoX101I think I've found a way to make dialogs fun
16:05.56XenoX101see how much triggering you can add without testing the map
16:06.04XenoX101then cry when everything is in the wrong place
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16:06.16DresniaSooo Eiviyn
16:06.16Bibendushttp://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6368697916
16:06.19Bibendushere is the bug report
16:06.24DresniaI remember you making a portal ish map
16:06.26BibendusEiviyn do you need help with the variants?
16:06.27Dresniaor am I badl wrong
16:06.47Eiviynhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNOkO8QRVzo
16:06.48EiviynThis?
16:06.49BibendusXenoX101 you are a fool :D
16:06.51EiviynYeah I made it
16:06.59Bibendusis the development still on?
16:07.00DresniaYeaaah I remember you then.
16:07.05DresniaGood to see your still around :>
16:07.14EiviynNah just something I put together while messing with the editor
16:07.15DresniaStill nothing official I guess though, forever creating?
16:07.17Bibenduswhy does flash suck so much'
16:07.28Bibendusand why didn't you continue?
16:07.38Bibendusoh
16:07.40Bibendusno replayability
16:07.41Dresniathat kid got more potentional
16:07.51Bibendusshitz
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16:08.17Bibendusuh hallo Blizz-Artestru :P
16:08.24Ashamedwho is getting cs:go?
16:08.24Bibenduswe were missing you
16:08.27DresniaAshamed!
16:08.29Dresniamr airplane right
16:08.40Bibendusairplane? :O
16:08.41EiviynWorking on a map called Warships, hoping to make something of it eventually
16:08.46Dresniadidn't you work in a tower
16:08.49Ahlihaha the impressed ;D
16:08.53Bibenduswait
16:08.59Bibendusisn't warship already published and well played?^
16:09.08Blizz-ArtestruMorning :)
16:09.14Bibendushallo
16:09.27Dresniawell Warship is a overused name I bet
16:10.08Ahliit is (and congratulations to eiviyn to make warships. I like it.)
16:10.08EiviynYeah name might change, for now I don't much care
16:10.18Dresniawoip
16:10.19EiviynIt's descriptive
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16:10.37EiviynLike "Element TD"
16:10.47Dresniawhy isn't there a decent TLTW yet..
16:10.47Bibendusoh and remember eiv
16:10.49Dresnia2v2v2v2
16:10.51Dresniagood times
16:11.00Bibenduspeople don't see there is a tutorial mode
16:11.03Bibendusif they come from fun or not
16:11.04Bibendus:|
16:11.22EiviynTLTW?
16:11.28Dresniateam line tower wars
16:11.36Dresniaif you played td's on tft, you seen them
16:11.49BibendusBlizz-Artestru I haz a report for you guys
16:11.50Bibendushttp://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6368697916
16:12.01Bibendusbug report
16:12.20muzzyEiviyn: nice video that portal thing :p
16:12.48Bibendusa nice thing would be to see it on vertical surfaces too :P
16:12.52muzzyi watched it two times, but only because i wanted to hear the song another time ;)
16:13.01EiviynYeah can't believe it has like 5k views when the thor that shoots banelings has like 50k
16:13.14Bibenduslollolol
16:13.17Ahli;D
16:13.18Dresniacause blowing shit up beats portaling
16:13.32Bibendusbtw
16:13.35BibendusI saw another portal thing
16:13.39Bibenduswith dragons
16:13.47Bibenduson sc2
16:13.52Bibendusdid u do  it?
16:14.32EiviynDragons? No
16:14.34Bibendusnow I can't find it :|
16:14.38Bibendusda hell
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16:23.49zenx1HELLLO
16:24.06zenx1so blizzard finally abandoning us
16:24.18zenx1or does artestru count?
16:25.26Bibendusno they are not
16:25.51HP-X|ArthasAshamed: have you played cs:go recently?
16:26.08Ashamedi played it a bit this weekend
16:26.18HP-X|ArthasDid they fix the ui yet?
16:26.26Ashamedi dunno >< what was wrong with UI
16:26.29HP-X|ArthasOr is it still only the top 5 players in each team when bringing the scoreboard up
16:26.33HP-X|Arthasalso it lacked ping
16:26.35Ashamedi just played it for a small bit this weekend
16:26.55HP-X|ArthasAnd the buy menu was broken
16:27.01HP-X|Arthas"broken" as in made for consoles :p
16:27.11zenx1I love the sc2mapster forums. Damn it was funny shit look darkreveant and taintedwisp fight :D
16:27.32Ashamedarthas i the cross platform was dropped :( but i think its still looks like it was made for consoles too
16:27.37zenx1pretty nice to see threads go off topic in 3 posts
16:27.47HP-X|ArthasOk
16:27.53HP-X|ArthasI\ll stick with 1.6 then >D
16:28.01HP-X|Arthas:D *
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16:29.00Ashamedarthas for 15 bucks i feel like its very worth it
16:29.14Ashamed1.6 was the last cs i played and it was years ago :) ready for an update
16:30.24HP-X|ArthasMost of my friends are playing 1.6 or source so im probably saving my money for hots or so
16:30.49Bibendusanyone willing to hear my wonderful italian accent?
16:30.50Bibendushttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I671ClVTPd4
16:30.50Bibendus:P
16:31.40HP-X|Arthasalready clicked!
16:32.47zenx1you should start of by ITS ME MAAARIOOO
16:32.53Bibendusfuck
16:32.55BibendusI knew it
16:32.56Bibendus:D
16:33.09Bibendusit'sameee bibendus
16:33.19zenx1actually you have quite pleasant voice
16:33.22zenx1much better than mine
16:33.49Bibendusweird
16:33.50Bibendus:P
16:33.56BibendusI always tought I had a weird voice
16:34.18zenx1it might be cause own voice always sounds weird
16:34.45Dresniait's just weird to hear yourself talk
16:34.48Bibendusye probably
16:34.51Bibenduslol
16:34.52Bibendusit is
16:34.53Bibendus:D
16:34.57Bibendusme in particular
16:34.58Bibendusin english
16:34.59Bibendus:|
16:35.05Dresniatry being dutch
16:35.07Bibendusi ahd to record it 20 times and it still sucks lol
16:35.11Bibendushad
16:35.27zenx1haha thats what I always happens to me too
16:35.33zenx1I have to just re-record to get mediocre results
16:35.40HP-X|ArthasGood english, I did not have any problem understanding at all
16:35.46Bibendusthanks
16:35.47HP-X|ArthasAnd nothing wrong with the voice
16:35.48Bibendus:P
16:35.52zenx1thats why I barely do any voice commentary cause it sounds so bad...
16:35.58zenx1but that sounded nice for sure
16:36.30Bibendusstill I didn't want to do anything seriou
16:36.30Bibenduss
16:36.35Bibendusand if I decide to make more in the future
16:36.39Bibendusexperience will come with time
16:38.19zenx1what are those different tiles anyway
16:38.25zenx1blue is minerals gold is extra minerals?
16:39.17Dresniagold mines quicker doesn't it
16:39.46HatiHP-X|Arthas: o/
16:41.00Bibendusi told it
16:41.03Bibendusin the commentary
16:41.04Bibendus:|
16:41.17Bibendusso my english wasn't soo good :P
16:41.19Bibendusso
16:41.31zenx1didnt really watch it all they way :D
16:41.35Bibenduslol
16:41.36AhliI have a hard time understanding it, if it is on low volume ;D
16:41.40Bibendusthey are infinite mining tiles
16:41.44Bibendushowever they are slower to dig
16:41.52Bibendusi it too low?
16:41.54HP-X|ArthasHiya Hati :D
16:42.03Ahlino, my laptop's volume was to low at first
16:42.04HP-X|ArthasLong time ;D
16:42.08Bibendusoh k
16:42.17Hatiyea
16:42.20Bibendusbtw the fucking background noise :|
16:42.23Bibenduswhatever
16:42.30HP-X|ArthasWhat are you up to these days?
16:42.38Bibendusalready 5 comments lol
16:43.02AhliI liked it
16:43.48ckSynergyAnyone here good with actor events?
16:44.03Bibendusi can barely use them on data editor
16:44.03Bibendus:D
16:44.06Bibenduswhat do you need
16:44.34Ahlijust ask problems... people solve them in case they have time and knowledge
16:45.50Ahli*ask your questions... I don't think one can ask problems
16:46.58Blizz-ArtestruThanks for the report Bibendus
16:47.05Bibendusnp :)
16:47.16Bibendusbtw do you want to listen to my sexy voice artes?
16:47.20Bibendushttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I671ClVTPd4
16:47.22Bibendus:P
16:47.41ckSynergynevermind then bib lol
16:47.59ckSynergyEh im wondering if its possible to set up a sequential animation brack
16:48.01ckSynergy*bracket
16:48.09Bibendusoh shitz
16:48.09Bibendus:P
16:48.15Bibenduscan't you use timers?
16:48.19ckSynergywell of course
16:48.37ckSynergybut Im wondeing if im missing something
16:48.46ckSynergylike an event that lets you string together animations
16:48.47HP-X|ArthasBibendus: can you record the sin war trilogy as an audiobook and mail it to me? =)
16:48.54Bibenduslol
16:49.20zenx1YES
16:49.23zenx1my mouse fixed itself
16:49.32Ahlianimation completed -> play animation? :S
16:49.37zenx1somehow one button was stuck and felt really akward clicking it
16:51.06ckSynergyAH HA
16:51.13ckSynergyProgress Actors!
16:52.36ckSynergyI swear, I love the flexibility of the editor :P
16:52.46ckSynergyDont love the lag, but the flexibility, yea
16:57.06HP-X|Arthashttp://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/08/20/diablo-3-team-spars-with-series-creator-online/
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16:57.49taintedwispany active blizz devs?
16:58.02taintedwispwait.. its mon
16:58.04taintedwispnvm
16:58.11Ashamedyeah fucking monday :(
16:58.17taintedwispI have noticed the past 3 weeks that on monday they come on around 3 pm EST
16:58.28taintedwispanother couple hours then we will see
16:58.29Ashamedoh they were here abit earlier
16:58.40Ashamedthey got to hear my bitch about the newest D3 comments lol
16:58.48taintedwisplol
16:58.54Ashamedyou read that already tainted?
16:59.03Bibendusyes
16:59.09Bibendusartestru is here
16:59.11Bibendusjust poke him
16:59.13Blizz-ArtestruWe're logged in, what's up?
16:59.18taintedwisplokl
16:59.19taintedwispnm
16:59.21Bibendusdo you work on mondays guys?
16:59.26Blizz-ArtestruOf course :)
16:59.27taintedwispwas just wanderin
16:59.33Ashamedof course Artestru comes back when he hears poke him... you sicko
16:59.35Bibendus:=
16:59.36Bibendus:P
16:59.41Bibenduslol
16:59.46Bibendushe likes to be poked
16:59.51Ashamedyeah apperntly so
17:00.03Blizz-ArtestruI was compiling, so I had a moment. :)
17:00.09Bibendus:P
17:00.12taintedwispin da butt
17:00.16Bibendusare you fixing my bugs :P
17:00.18Bibendusoh wait
17:00.29Bibenduswhat about the units attached dialogs?
17:00.36Bibendusbecause I need to know if I had to do a temporary fix
17:00.39XenoX101hey guys just made this random race logo if anyone wants it, couldn't find anything else on the internets
17:00.40XenoX101http://i.imgur.com/dfYJ9.png
17:00.42Bibendusor a magical fix will come by blizzard soon :P
17:00.54ckSynergyuhhhh
17:00.56taintedwispHey stupid question I used to know, where is it that I go to enable / disable the recources at the top/
17:00.58Bibendusnice logo!
17:01.08ckSynergygameplay data tab
17:01.12XenoX101actually one sec, fixing something
17:01.13ckSynergyor triggers
17:01.14Bibendussimple and intuitive
17:01.33zenx1Yea I actually read some of the changes from diablofans about d3 updats, still not gona return
17:01.37HP-X|Arthashttp://xkcd.com/303/
17:01.40HP-X|Arthas:p
17:01.43zenx1pvp is only thing thats gona get me to return
17:01.45zenx1if even that
17:02.33XenoX101there just fixed something - http://i.imgur.com/Sy6Sr.png
17:02.41Ashamedarthas good picture ha
17:02.42XenoX101dont know if theres anywhere I can put it on sc2mapster, not really worth its own thread
17:02.55taintedwispYeah i cnat return yet either... Something I think would be really cool though that could really help, is if they beef up whimsy shire.. It sucked not because it was colorful that wwas funny, but because there wasnt the MASS amount of units that TSCL had...
17:03.04XenoX101wheres the gallery thing
17:03.05taintedwispOther then killing unicorn it was no different
17:03.08taintedwispand loot was no better
17:03.12HP-X|ArthasAshamed: I love that one ^^
17:05.03taintedwispAHHH
17:05.43taintedwispHey CkSynergy, what is the only field I see is ResourceConversion in the gameplay data, The place I am talking about it was tickboxes
17:07.16BibendusROFL arthas
17:07.33HP-X|ArthasCarry on!
17:07.35HP-X|Arthas:D
17:08.44taintedwisphmm
17:11.06XenoX101rar files not allowed when uploading a project?
17:11.07XenoX101dafuq?
17:13.44zenx1seriosly the changes ond 3 are pretty pathetic
17:14.00zenx1its just too much same shit, they need more new areas to keep it interesting
17:15.52taintedwispHey does anyone know why I would have a blue box on my resources?
17:15.54XenoX101nobody said that about d2
17:16.26XenoX101I think people need to come to terms with the fact that they wanted more from d3 than d2 ever gave
17:17.17muzzyoh, the diablo discussion still going on?  what killed the game for me was the AH and the realization that it turned it into a zero sum game
17:17.36muzzyif i managed to obtain something good from AH for cheap, it means everyone else lost that oppoturnity
17:17.42zenx1Im more anoyed from the fact that they are like "we got these new and exciting changes coming", but they are not exciting at all :D
17:17.57zenx1thats what they get for not giving us PvP which I think would have been fun
17:18.13XenoX101they are aiming to give you the same build diversity as in d2
17:18.31XenoX101you'll have many times more playstyles in inferno than you do now
17:18.50muzzyand yet there will never be anything as awesome as d2 ranged paladins
17:18.53XenoX101if you're only goal was to beat inferno, then you are stuck in the same position, but this is no different to diablo 2
17:18.59zenx1well cant believe till I see (which I wont see cause Im not gona play it) :D
17:19.03muzzyi mean, bowadins
17:19.22XenoX101people just place arbitrary meaning on things that were inefficient in d2
17:19.31XenoX101like having to remake characters to reassign skills
17:19.37muzzyin d2, using damage aura to give elemental damage to bow attacks, then running around with some average bow ... that was actually fun
17:19.38XenoX101and stat allocation
17:19.42TaintedwispAnyone? This blue box where my Supply should be is messing with me...
17:20.13muzzybots killed d2 tho
17:20.31muzzyand then finally the overpowered runewords etc ... enigma
17:20.43XenoX101the gameplay was never that fun though
17:20.55XenoX101it just had a good effort-to-reward ratio
17:21.25muzzyyepyep .... actually finding legendaries at low levels that were USEFUL
17:21.37TaintedwispAcutally what killed d3 is that it is no more then an over head WoW
17:21.46XenoX101nah its far more than WoW
17:21.50XenoX101combat totally shits on WoW
17:21.50TaintedwispNot really
17:21.56XenoX101thats why I laugh when people say
17:21.56muzzygull daggers were super, bonesnaps lasted a long time too ... and you'd see them drop reasonably often
17:21.59XenoX101its in the same realm as guild wars 2
17:22.03TaintedwispI spammed 3 button on D3 made it to act 4 inferno
17:22.03XenoX101if anyone is leaving d3 for guild wars 2
17:22.08XenoX101then they don't really appreciate hack and slash
17:22.17TaintedwispI spammed 4 buttons on wow and was 2nd best tank on illidan
17:22.22XenoX101Taintedwisp, now do that with a DH in hardcore
17:22.37Taintedwisp:P
17:22.40XenoX101or any class in hardcore really, but DH particularly
17:22.45Taintedwisplol
17:22.52Taintedwispbut I like my Tiki guy...
17:22.55XenoX101and item choices are far more difficult
17:23.02XenoX101noobs get ripped off so easily
17:23.05muzzyin d3, the gear drop rates were nerfed super low because the AH exists.  that means, players are SUPPOSED to get their gear from AH, that's how it's designed, and the blue posts claiming otherwise are showing lack of intellectual integrity for saying it isn't so
17:23.24Bibendusomg flash on chrome sucks soo much
17:23.32muzzysaying "but you dont HAVE TO" is same as saying "you can also stab yourself with a knife while you're playing and it's your choice"
17:23.42TaintedwispDoes anyone know what could be causeing this problem in my MAP
17:23.42XenoX101mm, I agree the AH is the worst part, but the end result is actually to the benefit of the player
17:23.50XenoX101in giving him the most tailor-suited item to his needs
17:24.09muzzyno
17:24.16muzzythe game used to be about finding loot
17:24.32Bibenduswhat problem tainted
17:24.34TaintedwispNow its the same as wow, if you dont like your gear go to the AH for more...
17:24.34XenoX101well yeah but
17:24.50XenoX101what point is finding loot if its not suited to your character
17:24.53TaintedwispBibendus, when i start my map my resources are gone and theres a little blue box with no tooltip
17:25.02Bibendusdid u play with the UI?
17:25.04XenoX101would you rather have worse items that you personally picked up
17:25.14XenoX101or the exact items you want only from the AH
17:25.19Bibendusand do you have the resources?
17:25.21TaintedwispThe trigger guy did a tad, but that was in triggers, and I checked everything he did and I cant find anything that would do it
17:25.27Bibendusis it just a graphical glitch
17:25.32TaintedwispYeah I checked the Gameplay, and the Races tab both look fine
17:25.39Bibendusno I mena
17:25.41Bibendusmean
17:25.43muzzyand the "legendary" gear .... i actually found the best monk set weapon, with almost max damage rolled on it ... turns out, it was worth almost nothing because it was still too low dps, some blue items were worth more
17:25.43TaintedwispNo the tool tip is missing, and Both Minerals and gas is gone
17:25.44Bibendusdo you have the resources
17:25.46Bibenduscan you use them?
17:25.58Bibendusyou don't see resources but can you use them?
17:26.00Taintedwispdunno
17:26.04Bibendustry that first
17:26.08Taintedwispkk
17:26.12Bibendusto detect if it's a UI problem or resource problem
17:26.16Bibendusand did you check the UI editor thing?
17:26.22Bibendusif he added some UI elements there?
17:28.01Taintedwispyeah I can use all my resources
17:30.30Taintedwispill check my resources in the ui real quic
17:30.52TaintedwispNothing has been added in the UI
17:30.55ckSynergywait
17:30.58ckSynergywhats the problem?
17:31.15TaintedwispTheres a blue box where my Supply should be, and the rest of my resources are missing
17:31.20TaintedwispThey all work, but they are not showing up
17:31.28ckSynergydo you have a trigger hiding the resources frame?
17:31.32muzzyoh btw, talking about not seeing resources you can spend ... i'm seeing this in all maps i play
17:31.55ckSynergywhat maps do you play?
17:32.13ckSynergylemme guess, these are mostly maps with item shops?
17:32.15TaintedwispI have lots of triggers, but I cant see any
17:32.16muzzywell, mineralz evolution and galaxy vampirism :p
17:32.36TaintedwispI dont have items... yet
17:32.37ckSynergygalaxy vampirism uses neutral shops and triggers, so yea
17:32.49ckSynergymineralz evolution, that I dont know
17:32.50muzzyin galaxy vampirism, i could buy items from item shop even though i didn't have resources ... in mineralz evolution, i can upgrade buildings even though i dont have the resources
17:33.09ckSynergyIm gonna say its probably trigger errors
17:33.35ckSynergyeveryone wants the easy out with triggers but it causes more problems in the long run
17:34.08muzzylike, the tooltip says i need 512 minerals, but the resource frame up there shows i have 300 and yet the tooltip isn't lit red and turns out i can buy it
17:34.53muzzyeither way, in mineralz evolution these issues started showing up after the 1.5 patch
17:35.32XenoX101yep I'll never get people who use triggers when there is a data solution
17:35.43TaintedwispTHERE ARE TOO MANY TRIGGERS FOR MY BRAIN TO HANDLE!!!!!
17:36.06Taintedwisp@@
17:36.14Taintedwisp@_@
17:36.18XenoX101its like, tailor-made environment for creating your abilities
17:36.25TaintedwispSOOO mANY DMAMN CONFUSING TRIGGERS
17:36.30muzzybut why would the resource count check in tooltip not match the resources i have?
17:36.32TaintedwispDammit why cant everything be data....
17:36.33Taintedwisplol
17:36.50ckSynergymuzzy: thats because of triggers
17:36.59ckSynergyand because you're accessing a shared resource
17:37.06Ahlimuzzy, morph ability?
17:37.20ckSynergybasically, there ARE 500 minerals
17:37.26ckSynergy300 of yours, and 200 from the neutral shop
17:37.55muzzyneutral shop?
17:38.03ckSynergyowning player
17:38.06ckSynergyI should say
17:38.21muzzywait ... could this have something to do with resource sharing when players quit?
17:38.36ckSynergythats a factor yes
17:38.44Ahliif it is a morph ability, http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4552426651?page=2#25 and #73.
17:38.45ckSynergyor, it could be a factor
17:38.50muzzytho, i dont think that's the only case when it happens
17:39.01muzzyAhli: let me see how it's implemented ...
17:39.10ckSynergymuzzy what are you talking about?
17:39.16ckSynergyerm
17:39.18ckSynergyAhli
17:39.23muzzy<CAbilMorph id="UpgradeCore13"> ... i think it's morph yeah
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17:39.46IcesmasterHello there
17:39.54Ahliset technology cost to 0 and fix the unit's subgroup alias
17:40.16Ahlineeds to point to the unit itself. just right click -> reset to parent value
17:40.32muzzyunfortunately not my map, and i'm on kinda bad terms with the author nowadays :(
17:41.17muzzysounds like blizzard bug though
17:41.38AhliI don't think it was intended to be like that ;D
17:41.46TaintedwispOKAY i found out wha tit is
17:41.51TaintedwispSomehow I have the defualt race set to neutral
17:42.02Ahliif all of those would have the same value, ok. but all 3 values are different
17:42.34IcesmasterWould have a problem: Like to make a Behavior based Collosion Damage, i got a simple behavior that only active if the unit moves, and i got a periodic damage effect attached to it, I set the damage filters to only affect enemy, natural, heroic units and exclude self, herioc units. Thing is the flters are ignored totally, i move the unit, behavior activates happily and suicide the unit in that instant
17:42.45AshamedParagon System is not what d3 needed >< lol
17:42.45Taintedwispyup
17:42.51Taintedwispit was in Player Placement
17:42.54TaintedwispSomeone had set half o fhtem to neutral...
17:42.55Taintedwisplol
17:43.05zenx1100 PARAGON LEVELS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
17:43.11zenx1I WANA GRIND INFERNO ACT2 SO MUCH NOW
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17:43.28Helraly
17:43.30Helral...
17:43.33Ashamedlol zenx1
17:43.37AhliI wanna die on lvl 56 the fourth time in hardcore again ;D
17:43.38Helral|bdaymeow
17:43.46Ashamedyeah i can't believe that they thought that is waht they needed for end game ><
17:43.49Ahlihappy birthday, cat
17:43.54Helral|bday:)
17:43.57Helral|bdaymeows
17:44.00Ashamedmby pvp... or mby a system that makes it so not every class is idenical lol
17:44.02TaintedwispGREAT
17:44.08TaintedwispWell this fukn sucs
17:44.10TaintedwispHow what
17:44.10Icesmasteranyone could help fix this that this periodic damage does not effect the unit it origanates from, as filters do nothing atm, are all ignored and do damage the source unit
17:44.17TaintedwispI get a blue box for my supply...
17:44.18Taintedwisplol
17:44.22TaintedwispWith no tooltip
17:44.30Helral|bdayhmmm.... uncheck self as target type?
17:44.36muzzywell ... levelups at max level is going to keep people playing, because they will feel it's "worth it", they're gaining something, it's not a complete waste of time
17:44.39Icesmasterdone
17:44.42zenx1It was so sad that demonhunter had some nice skills but they were fucking made useless
17:44.43TaintedwispERRRRR
17:44.49zenx1like the pistol vault was ver y cool
17:44.57zenx1but when monsters 1hit KO
17:44.58zenx1its NONO
17:44.59TaintedwispWhere is the Supply part hidden? so I can fiddle with that
17:45.13Helral|bdayhow does the periodic dmg effect get launched?
17:45.34Ahliunit -> supply ?
17:45.42Taintedwisphttp://i.imgur.com/asbAd.jpg
17:45.45Taintedwispyou see the blue box
17:45.53TaintedwispI got the minerals and the gas to show back up
17:45.53Helral|bdayTaintedwisp: you mean at the resource part?
17:45.57Taintedwispyup
17:46.06Helral|bdayI think I have it listed in my thread....
17:46.06TaintedwispI changed all races back to any from neutral
17:46.14TaintedwispI just read your thread
17:46.15Taintedwisplol
17:46.28zenx1and another interesting thing in d3 was that the butcher was the most epic boss fight
17:46.30Helral|bdayhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/gui/21557-ui-errors-bugs-and-fixes/?post=3 <-- there
17:46.37zenx1and most well thought imo
17:46.56Ashamedyeah the Paragon System i feel like isn't any more customizable then gettting +2 stats that the player can use each lvl and decide which point it goes twords.. but now instead of getting that durring the normal lvl process you have to wait until 60 and then start that
17:46.58Ashamedlame
17:47.05Helral|bdaythe first bullet in that thread, Taintedwisp.
17:47.17Taintedwispkk ill bb later
17:47.18Taintedwispgt
17:47.20Taintedwispg
17:47.27Helral|bdayanyways I'm off got visitors coming over ;p
17:49.52Ashamedmeow?
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17:54.02MGC-Eimtrcan any1 tell me... how do you modify a Player Camera, what is a  player camera?
17:54.07Ahlihmm, I think the paragon stat points are spend automatically :S
17:54.36XenoX101hah
17:54.41XenoX101blizzard are doing what I thought they'd do
17:54.46XenoX101ultiamtely removing mf in the long run
17:55.11XenoX101I always said it was stupid to begin with, an affix to give you more items in a game solely about item hunting
17:57.31muzzyoh hahahaha
17:57.50zenx1well I think its totally stupid to give useless affixes anyway
17:58.01zenx1like LIFE ON KILL wtf. always way worse than life on hit
17:58.12zenx1and there are crap ton of those shits
17:58.14muzzyi know someone who has mf 336 on DH, he's gonna love that 300 MF cap ;D
17:58.15Ahligold pickup radius ftw ^^
17:58.38zenx1but yea the magic find system sure was stupid
17:58.56muzzyi can only wait what this does to RMAH
17:58.57EiviynWhy
17:59.03muzzyand how people will feel having paid for MF gear
17:59.06HatiHelral|bday|afk: congrats
17:59.25duckywell, it did add diversity, which is nice.
17:59.36zenx1duckyyyy
17:59.50duckyIt just felt that game was focused on boring stats like .. mainstat all the way..
17:59.55duckyburneee? :P
17:59.59zenx1send you pm
18:00.06zenx1wheter you want cheats or not
18:00.11duckyoh, good to know
18:00.39zenx1its pretty much ready for testing
18:00.42Ahliducky, play hc ;D life all the way + main stat
18:00.49zenx1wheter it works or not cant really remember anything else to add
18:01.14Ahliand then you want to mix in INT and STR to raise the damage reduction (-> more effective life)
18:01.21duckyUnfortunately I'm not in a mood for that game anymore :/
18:01.24zenx1Oh
18:01.31zenx1and
18:01.43zenx1It was funny when they nerfed the attack speed
18:01.49duckythough the little I played in HC was kind of fun :D
18:01.56zenx1I had that Visage that was semi useful (you exhange protection for damage)
18:01.59zenx1that became totally shit too
18:02.20zenx1hilarious how they didnt even bother to boost the semi useful legendaries and just nerfed them
18:02.32AhliI lost my char with the bestest amulet normal diablo will ever drop for me... rare with max affixes and only 1 was bad for me... the rest was awesome
18:02.35duckyThey balanced all the fun out of that game :D
18:02.58zenx1they sure do
18:03.10Vailrethnerf is the only way blizz knows how to balance...
18:03.16AhliI still had that amulet in hell when I died
18:03.20Vailrethno offense it just feels that way
18:04.11zenx1yup
18:04.22Ahlimost skills are receiving buffs, you know
18:04.34Vailreththats good to know
18:04.42zenx1as they should have from the start
18:04.46zenx1^^
18:04.54duckyLegendaries look semi-amusing now too
18:05.11duckythough nothing that would want me to come back *sigh*
18:05.12Ahliindeed... better than before ;D
18:05.46zenx1I even remember playing with the DH...."oh god soon Im gona get the final chakram skill, its gona be awesome"....
18:05.50zenx1"WHAT IS THIS SHIT"
18:05.55Ahli;D
18:06.09zenx1it was suppose to be somekind of close range chakram spinning around you
18:06.11muzzyi still remember playing the DH too ... and all my friends telling that dying from 1 hit was part of the design
18:06.13zenx1but it was even MELEE range
18:06.15zenx1so stupid
18:06.16AhliI always used twin blades with chakram... the rest was... not good for my skill usage
18:06.33mille25http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6369327457
18:06.33muzzyhaving to kill enemies before they appeared on my screen etc
18:06.35mille25interresting.
18:07.10Ahliawesome find mille25
18:07.32Ahliok... what can I add to my game to require even bigger banks?
18:07.38zenx1interesting indeed
18:07.59zenx1I wonder how many people will lose their stats on my map
18:07.59duckyFor me, skills feel silly when they're always based on weapon damage. Like if game wants to hold complete control over you at all times, Making you even more dependent on those boring items. Too much control, not enough fun :(
18:07.59zenx1its only a test anyway
18:07.59Vailrethyeah i know the woes of the the DH no i had no way to effectively deal with the 20+ monsters that would acumulate as i was leaping around like a lunatic trying not to die
18:07.59mille25ahli, you already have a randomized item system?
18:08.05Ahliyes
18:08.13mille25add more charslots :D
18:08.21AhliI could do that ;D
18:08.39muzzyi'm waiting until someone gets an idea of starting to propagate global data over random games
18:09.03muzzymessage in one player's bank could be stored to everyone's bank and propagated to games they join
18:09.22muzzyallowing ad hoc message networking over multiple games
18:09.31mille25you cant access banks of other authors.
18:09.34muzzyand could be used for .. uh ... i dunno
18:09.36mille25they are stored in account-folders
18:09.48muzzyi know, i mean games not maps
18:09.52Ahlisome people used that in their maps already, muzzy
18:10.11duckybtw burne, today something silly happened. Map dropped right after starting (didn't get to load screen) and my bombers banks got erased. Didn't affect other players though.. Silly  untrustworthy b-net.
18:10.12muzzyahli, mmm ... well, you could use GetPlayerHandle() and start propagating a list of players they see more often
18:10.18muzzyto gather statistics on who plays the most!
18:10.47AhliI don't want to save that kind of data in my map ^^
18:11.23muzzywell... okay, next idea: everyone's match history.  so you can see the last 10 games they played, who was it with, etc
18:12.19duckyso, player handle is.. the name of that folder in "accounts"?
18:12.23zenx1interesting
18:12.32zenx1well your bomber stats aint that important
18:12.47muzzyducky, yep
18:13.04duckytrue, though it would suck to lose precious time investement in an RPG
18:13.22zenx1probly just need to encourage people to backup the files if that happens
18:13.32muzzysome maps make autobackups of banks ... eh
18:13.52zenx1I wonder if that is possible
18:13.58zenx1can you have 2 files for one map?
18:14.02duckymost likely.. I remember reading Goas post about auto backuping, but I'm not sure if it's safe
18:14.31muzzyyea, you can have several bank files
18:14.35AhliI think just saving 2 files is ok... preloading 2 files in the map is bad
18:14.51Ahlithe person would need to start another map to fix their bank file then
18:15.09Ahlihow about making bank preloading dependent on the game mode?
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18:15.57Ahliso you could have singleplayer to reapply the automatically created backup bank.
18:16.20Ahliand multiplayer to just load the default bank and not the backup bank
18:17.01TaintedwispHey Blizz-Artestru, is there a way I can request to free up an already given name? I noticed that there is no map for the name, so it must have been taken by somone in the past who no longer has their map, and there hasnt been a map named it in months atleast because I check it everynow and then...
18:17.21muzzyyou dont need to preload the backups
18:17.27muzzyyou could make 3 bank files actually
18:17.37muzzythe main bank, a bank with random key, and the backup bank
18:17.44TaintedwispOr it was taken by the formal teammate who held a small grudge against me... and locked the name.. thats possible too lawl
18:17.49muzzypreload main and the key bank, key bank should only have one value
18:18.05Ahliyou could reapply the backup in case of a broken main bank, if you could chose the to preloaded banks per game mode.
18:18.07muzzykey would be used to verify if main bank is ok, if not, load the backup bank
18:18.30Ahliatm the player would handle the bank files himself (and therefore might know how to cheat ;D)
18:18.53muzzymmm
18:19.06Ahliyou can't just load another bank in multiplayer
18:19.15Ahlidon't know about singleplayer, though
18:19.22muzzyfor an rpg, all items could come with long random item id ... like 128bit
18:19.30muzzyso you could detect item duplication attack by bankfile switching
18:19.42muzzyto prevent "give item to friend, load bank where i still have it"
18:20.15TaintedwispOKAY
18:20.20TaintedwispI have to hand it to blizzard on this one
18:20.20Taintedwisphttp://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6968517/
18:20.22duckyhm, I thought that banks are loaded on map int, I guess I was wrong?
18:20.22TaintedwispNice idea
18:20.28Taintedwispwith the paragon system
18:20.44TaintedwispThat will really help, not completely fix, but help
18:20.46Ahlibank data is shared during loading screen afaIk
18:20.54Blizz-ArtestruTainted: I'm not sure.
18:21.06muzzyTaintedwisp: iirc someone suggested it to them, that guy who did inferno diablo on hc i think
18:21.19Taintedwispah, cool
18:21.20duckyI still don't quite understand what was the cause of bank wipe :/
18:21.28Ahlikripparian I think was his name
18:21.31muzzyit's kinda obvious idea to make some "extra levels"
18:21.35muzzyahli, yeah, that was it
18:21.45Taintedwispdang, oh well, Ill try to post it on the forums, and hope that someone can answer, I hope I dont have to change my name though.. that will suck
18:21.55TaintedwispThough If I change it, it will be called Titans Frenzy
18:21.55Taintedwisplol
18:22.00TaintedwispFrom Evolution Frenzy
18:22.10duckyIs it something bugging out during map load and erasing all loaded banks? if so wouldn't that just wipe every bank I have including backups?
18:22.20TaintedwispI dont want a map like AoS with a terrible name lawl
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18:22.46AhliI never had a bank wipe... I only experience unsigned banks due to size problems
18:23.01Ahlimost maps just reset those
18:23.08Ahlilike I did
18:23.10muzzyunsigned banks due to size?
18:23.30Ahlithey aren't loaded completly which renders the stuff as unsigned
18:23.33duckyby "wipe" I ment "reset" :P
18:23.38muzzyahhh
18:23.40muzzyi see
18:24.17muzzyducky: you can use code to load banks during map execution too
18:24.27Ahliducky, yes. Never happened to me. Only once in an editor test mode, but restarting sc2 fixed it
18:24.50muzzyanyway, it's still better to tell players to backup their banks
18:25.05muzzyso they know the banks will die if they format and reinstall
18:25.12duckyWell, It happened due to b-net acting silly and dropping everyone when map was supposed to start, no Idea what happened there..
18:25.16muzzyand they know why the stats are different when they play on a different computer
18:25.16AhliI've had no report of a bank reset after I added my system...
18:25.59duckyand I can't really reproduce that event. But I guess I'll do more experiments and play with auto-backup banks
18:26.04Ahlimy players need to play singleplayer and reset their banks via a button, if it is corrupted in singleplayer. I won't delete stuff automatically.
18:27.45RepoNew map: The Urban Thing 2 - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/urban-thing-2/
18:27.45RepoNew asset: Random Race Logo - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/random-race-logo/
18:29.47XenoX101yaay, my logo ;p
18:38.00RepoNew announcement: TitanoMachia - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/titano-machia/
18:44.40TaintedwispHye emberflare was here :P
18:44.43Taintedwispthat guy is great
18:45.13TaintedwispDidnt realize he was here, or I would have talked to him lawl
18:45.26Taintedwisphes a good triggerer, does great work quickly :P
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18:50.35Taintedwisphey lose
18:51.30UloseTheGamehey wisp
18:51.32UloseTheGamecheck my post
18:52.24UloseTheGameyou like melee/
18:52.56UloseTheGamehttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/41628-starbow-the-way-starcraft-2-should-have-been-made/#p1
18:54.15Taintedwispactually I think its very competitive, More so then Sc1, Sc BW has had a decade to build their playerbase is all, Sc2? 2 years
18:54.22TaintedwispTakes time to actually do it.
19:00.43TaintedwispAnyone else notice that people who use large words are usually the dumbest of people?
19:01.04TaintedwispThink about it, what intelligent person is going to reduce productivity just to use a large word? it makes no logical sense
19:01.07UloseTheGameTainted.
19:01.21UloseTheGameYou know what I hate?
19:01.30Taintedwispyour own reflection?
19:01.31Taintedwisplol
19:01.38TaintedwispWhat do you hate?
19:01.40Taintedwisplol
19:02.09TaintedwispAnd by my earlier statement I should also add that Sc BW has had plenty of time to patch/balance
19:03.30Taintedwispso what is it Ulosethegame?
19:03.45TaintedwispI wouldnt ask if I didnt want to know at least on some level
19:05.01TaintedwispUlooseTheGame, you there?
19:08.15TaintedwispBAHHH, when will this gay ass TDHSST guy get banned.... i am waiting for this one...
19:08.22TaintedwispHes just an obvious troll.
19:08.49TaintedwispI have yet to see one thing contructive from him...
19:08.49Taintedwisplol
19:09.20TaintedwispHelral|bday|afk   Happy Birthday, according to your status lol
19:10.54TaintedwispHey Vailreth, you have made heroes before right?
19:17.21UloseTheGamesup Tainted?
19:17.46Vailrethyes i have Tainted
19:18.00UloseTheGameoh I hate that people are still complaining when we have open lobbies now. They still blame it on blizzard.
19:18.08Taintedwisphey vail do you know of a good model to use for leveling up
19:18.10TaintedwispLOL
19:18.28TaintedwispI dont blame it on blizz Ulose, I just think it can be improved,I am very happy with it right now
19:18.56TaintedwispMy only want is a refresh button :P Hopefully with some patience we can get it around Hots or after
19:19.05Vailrethi use one of the blink effect models  let me check
19:19.45TaintedwispBlink Origin sucks
19:19.52TaintedwispI can see the Stalker lol
19:20.28Vailrethblink stop
19:20.33Vailrethis what i use
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19:22.03Taintedwispk ill try that one after 1 more try witht his vortex
19:22.15TaintedwispIt looks really good if I can make the vortex smaller
19:23.22Vailrethyou may even be able to tint the blink stop model green or purple for terran and zerg
19:24.26TheSkunk__Anyone know how to not make an ability interupt current orders?
19:24.48TheSkunk__ie, you stim marines and they still keep going to the last place you ordered them, but if I make them cast my spell they stop
19:26.14TaintedwispLast test then switching to blink stop
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19:28.12TaintedwispThe vortex is one weird ass model
19:31.02zenx1huah
19:31.13zenx1found couple jobs I could apply again
19:31.35zenx1so stresfull...I wonder what kind of application should I write this time
19:31.56Hatia serious
19:32.37zenx1I think funny one would be better
19:32.43zenx1but I never manage do do them
19:33.07zenx1you know, gotta stand out of the crowd
19:39.12Helral|bdaymeows
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19:39.32MasterReYhello sc2mapsters
19:39.40MasterReYim back again with my daily question t-t
19:39.44Helral|bdaymeows
19:40.02Helral|bdayTaintedwisp: was what I linked the problem
19:40.06Helral|bday??
19:40.14MasterReYoh
19:40.15HP-X|Arthascharges the laserpointer
19:40.16MasterReYbday
19:40.18MasterReYgratz :D
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19:40.35Helral|bday:)
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19:41.08TheSkunk__Happy Birthday Helral :D
19:41.09HP-X|Arthasbuzzes sc2kittens eyes
19:41.20Helral|bdaydrains the laserpointer.
19:41.24HP-X|ArthasWhy didn't I think of that last time. Blind it, before it starts hunting
19:41.24Helral|bday:)
19:41.28HP-X|Arthasof for f-
19:41.30HP-X|Arthas:(
19:41.32MasterReYi have 2 players in my map, im not able to "make spectator" in the game lobby. What do i need to change to have the game autostart with 2 players in a public game but being able to add spectators in a private game?
19:41.34TheSkunk__Also, hey its Master Rey :D
19:41.49MasterReYyaaaay
19:41.51MasterReY:D
19:42.03HP-X|ArthasSkunk, sounds swedish
19:42.07MasterReYyou know, im always striving to learn new stuff
19:42.07HP-X|Arthas:p
19:42.09MasterReYso i ask alot
19:42.16MasterReYi hope im not annoying someone ^^
19:42.47TheSkunk__No, its OK master rey.. I (we) like helping people.. but I'm not good with lobby issues =/
19:42.55MasterReY:o
19:42.57MasterReYhm ok
19:43.02Helral|bdayMasterReY: if I'm correct private games don't auto-start... so you can just invite other people first and make them spectators before inviting the person you'll play against....
19:43.30MasterReYi dont know how i reply that way in irc helral :P
19:43.30TaintedwispNo helral I just figured it out before reading it lol
19:43.35MasterReYso
19:43.45MasterReYi dont want it to autostart in private games
19:43.47MasterReYi want:
19:43.58Helral|bdayTaintedwisp: ok :)
19:44.03MasterReYautostart when 2 players are in the game in PUBLIC games
19:44.15MasterReYbeing able to add spectators in a private game
19:44.21MasterReYthats all
19:44.23Helral|bdayhmmmm I thought it never auto-started in private games.... only in public.
19:44.23TheSkunk__There is a flag for *disabling* spectators..
19:44.24MasterReYpretty simple :D
19:44.35MasterReYya helrar
19:44.37TheSkunk__If you have it checked, that would make it impossible to add them, private or public
19:44.38MasterReYread my last lines^^
19:44.39TaintedwispMy first hero unit is coming along really well
19:44.43TaintedwispThe rest shouldnt take nearly as log
19:44.44Taintedwisplong
19:44.48MasterReYskunk where is it? :o
19:44.57Helral|bdayahhh what TheSkunk__ says. ;p
19:45.10Helral|bdayI didn't know there was a checkbox ;p
19:45.12TheSkunk__Map Options
19:45.18TheSkunk__Disable Observers
19:45.39MasterReYits unchecked
19:46.14MasterReYi think the problem might me in Player properties
19:46.14TheSkunk__And you still cant make people observers? :( Hmm..
19:46.16Dresniawhere is
19:46.19DresniaNash|2432435
19:46.22MasterReYi one have players 1 and 2 in
19:46.26MasterReYrest are on "none"
19:46.30MasterReYis that the problem?
19:46.59TheSkunk__I dunno, possibly. You could simple make all players active but make a game variant that limits it to two teams of 1
19:47.03TheSkunk__and see if that fixes it
19:47.30MasterReYok ill try
19:47.40Helral|bdayperhaps it is also an option when creating the game? to (dis)allow observers?
19:47.51MasterReYi was just asking because i obviously cant test it with "test document" and i didnt want to screw the map up in bnet
19:48.03MasterReYbut anyways
19:48.05MasterReYill try
19:48.34MasterReYso ill put players 3-14 on "User" now
19:48.56TheSkunk__Welp, I already said I wasn't very good with lobbies =S
19:49.01Helral|bdayhmmmm I don't think that that is necessairy, if you want to add observers. ;p
19:49.23Helral|bdayMasterReY: EU or NA?
19:49.29MasterReYEU
19:49.35MasterReYhm
19:49.39Helral|bdayhop onto bnet and we'll test it ;p
19:49.43MasterReYwhats neccessary then? :o
19:50.04MasterReYlol kk
19:50.04Helral|bdayI got a map without special settings :P
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19:51.42TaintedwispI love the tauren marine
19:51.58KubiWhere is Deleartious
19:52.01KubiI miss him.
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19:53.06TaintedwispHe said he was too hot for your  body kubi, so he had to flee in shame
19:53.07Taintedwisptis true
19:55.49Helral|bdaymeows
19:55.52TaintedwispHey does anyone know how to make workers quit fleeing like pussies
19:55.53Taintedwisp?
19:56.04Helral|bdaysure uncheck the flee when attack setting. ;p
19:56.08MasterReYits locked :p
19:56.13MasterReYcant find it in editor
19:56.14MasterReY^^
19:56.35MasterReYwell if its just the untouched default settings i could just use any 1v1 blizzard map right?
19:56.44Helral|bdayyup.
19:57.30Taintedwispyou mean on the Behavior response?
19:57.37Helral|bdaythink so.
19:57.39TaintedwispI changed it to Aquire and it didnt work
19:57.44Taintedwisphe still ran like a little bitch
19:57.44Taintedwisplol
19:58.03Helral|bdaydoes it have a weapon?
19:58.06TaintedwispYeah
19:58.10TaintedwispParticle beam probe
19:58.56Helral|bdayand what does it do with acquire no flee?
19:59.19Taintedwispim checking now
19:59.30Helral|bdayow you also need to set the acquire leash at movement.
19:59.42MasterReYok so
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19:59.47MasterReYthe default settings are:
19:59.54MasterReYplayers 2 is called "Hostile"
20:00.01MasterReYand player1 is called "Player 1"
20:00.04MasterReY:/
20:00.07MasterReYconfusing
20:00.07Helral|bdaylol....
20:00.18MasterReYits like that in the normal 1v1 blizzard ladder maps
20:00.29Helral|bdayMasterReY: what map name did you search for btw since you couldn't find it.
20:00.36Helral|bdayow I prolly private uploaded it...
20:00.41MasterReYchecked cloud kingdom, steppes of war, xel naga caverns
20:00.50MasterReYi searched for "spectator"
20:01.07Helral|bdayprivate upload ;p
20:01.16Helral|bdaymoment I'll send you a download link
20:01.23TaintedwispNow they dont move, they just sit like a bitch and get killed
20:01.28TaintedwispGreat I have suicidle probes
20:01.29Taintedwisplol
20:01.49Taintedwispmy probes are slitting their wrist...
20:01.53Taintedwispinstead of fighting
20:02.26Helral|bdayMasterReY: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/spectatorTest.SC2Map
20:02.46Helral|bdayhmmmm.... Taintedwisp: did you set the Movement - Acquire stuff?
20:03.02Helral|bday0 is fine, just not -1 I think.
20:04.04MasterReYthanks
20:05.03Helral|bdayBlizz-Artestru: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/gui/21557-ui-errors-bugs-and-fixes/#p3 (2nd is fixed, but 1st one isn't fixed yet? )
20:05.06Taintedwisphmm
20:05.08TaintedwispNope cant find it
20:05.11MasterReYok so
20:05.18MasterReYthe only difference in my map is:
20:05.27MasterReYplayer 2 is controlled by computer
20:05.36Helral|bdayahhhh
20:05.38MasterReYcould that be the prob?
20:05.44Helral|bdayso you can only have 1 player ingame?
20:05.48MasterReYno ;D
20:05.53MasterReYthats the funny trhing
20:05.55Helral|bdayor....
20:05.58MasterReYits a 1v1 micro map
20:05.59TaintedwispDamn this dirty probe.... lol
20:06.04Helral|bdaylol
20:06.06TaintedwispProb is its the Teir 1...
20:06.10MasterReYyou can play it vs another player
20:06.17MasterReYOR add an AI in the lobby to play vs computer
20:06.29Helral|bdayso why do you have player 2 set to computer?
20:06.57MasterReYbecause i thought i need it so that the AI actually plays
20:06.58MasterReY^^
20:07.32Helral|bdayno, it just means that when you create a custom game version then that spot is filled by a computer, and you can't put a player there.
20:07.42MasterReYits not like that
20:07.47Helral|bdayalso I guess that is where the problem lies.... you created the game as 1v1 and not custom....
20:07.51MasterReYyou dont see the computer at all in the lobby
20:07.55MasterReYif you dont add it yourself
20:07.59Helral|bdaycustom games can have observers, 1v1 can't.
20:08.09MasterReYits a custom arcade map
20:08.12Helral|bdaycheck the game creation in sc2 itself.
20:08.25Helral|bdaythere is a dropdown list at the bottom, which says 1v1 or custom as options.
20:08.51MasterReYMode: Custom
20:08.53MasterReYin sc2 lobby
20:09.14MasterReYlocked alliances yes, speed faster
20:09.17Helral|bdaylogging in again.
20:09.22MasterReYno computer in the lobby when you create it
20:09.25MasterReY^^
20:14.18TaintedwispCombat: Defualt Aquire Level, I am about to test that
20:14.26TaintedwispI cheanged it from Defensive to Offensive
20:16.47zenx1DONE
20:16.51zenx1one job application sent
20:17.16zenx1would be about time to get a job
20:17.18zenx1too much time
20:17.29zenx1and no money :D
20:18.49Helral|bdayMasterReY: found anything at the variants?
20:19.11MasterReYno, wait ill have a picture ready in 1 min
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20:21.53Helral|afkswitching to mobile ;p
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20:22.15helral_mobile;p
20:22.33Ashamedtsk tsk.. i still can't believe the update with d3 ><
20:22.40Ashamedso more stats that we can't pick lol
20:22.57TaintedwispYAYA THOSE FREAKIN PROBES ARNT BEING DICKS
20:22.58helral_mobileHmmmm??
20:22.59TaintedwispITS ABOUT TIME
20:23.18Ashamed??
20:23.34TaintedwispThey are attakcing people
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20:23.42Ashamedprobes are attacking?
20:23.47Taintedwispthey were being suicidel dicks
20:23.48Taintedwisplol
20:24.01TaintedwispThey were fleeing then they would just sit there and take damage like a baby back bitch
20:24.12helral_mobileAttack of the killer tomatos. I mean probes.
20:24.19Taintedwisplol
20:24.20Taintedwispuhh
20:24.28TaintedwispThats attack of the killer clowns from outspace...
20:24.29Taintedwisppart 5
20:25.01helral_mobileKiller tomatos invade fez
20:25.07TaintedwispI REALLY DRED BALANCING THIS MAP!!!!
20:25.17helral_mobileFrance*
20:25.19TaintedwispHelral, you should balance all 30 units for me..
20:25.20Taintedwisplol
20:25.43helral_mobileDamned mob keyboards.
20:26.56MasterReYok helral
20:27.03MasterReYhttp://i47.tinypic.com/s2qogx.png
20:27.06helral_mobileSure, give them all 0 dmg and they cost 1. There balanced.
20:27.41MasterReYleft side are all tabs of "Game Variants..." and right side are "Player Properties" and "Map Options"
20:28.16TaintedwispThere is no cost lol
20:28.21TaintedwispThey evolve lol
20:28.22helral_mobileHmmm brb.
20:28.33TaintedwispAnd I have to do a Paper Rock Scissors armor/damage types
20:28.37TaintedwispSo that its balanced
20:29.27TaintedwispFire Water Grass armor types you could say, though they will be called Zerg, Terran, and Protoss....
20:30.06Ashamedtainted
20:30.10Ashamedits Rock Paper Scissors
20:30.13Taintedwisplol
20:30.28Taintedwispactually since it goes in a circle and there are 3 the order doesnt matter
20:30.33Taintedwispit makes sense no matter how you put it
20:30.34Taintedwisplol
20:30.47TaintedwispWhat is Abil XML?
20:31.04Ahlifile containing all ability data
20:31.26Ahlibasically everything the editor shows as green
20:31.33Ahliin the ability tab
20:32.13TaintedwispAh
20:32.16Ahliyou can change the view to show the xml stuff... that's how data actually looks within the map
20:32.26Taintedwispahh
20:32.36TaintedwispI was just wandering cause dropbox keeps deleting/creating it
20:32.38Taintedwisp...
20:32.39Taintedwisplol
20:32.44Taintedwispits on version 27 appearently
20:32.48Taintedwisplol
20:33.13TaintedwispMeh I keep a fresh Copy of the map on my desktop just in case
20:33.36TaintedwispSo if Dropbox does fail then I can fall back
20:34.38Taintedwisphmm should I map some more or go play some WoW for a few minutes
20:34.52TaintedwispThough I cant find anyone interesting in the game, and dungeon finder RUINED it for me
20:35.21Taintedwispthat pissed me off, because its cross realms, which is fine but I cant Add them to friends and play other dungeons with people..
20:35.52Taintedwispalso I stole over 600g from various guild banks LAWL
20:36.08Taintedwispbut appearently that isnt much on this server...
20:36.08Taintedwispor any server any more
20:36.25Helral|afkMasterReY: perhaps it has something to do with locking the teams.
20:36.31MasterReYhm
20:37.04Helral|afkwhy do you need to lock the teams if it is 1v1?
20:38.14MasterReYoh yeah just noticed that difference
20:38.17MasterReYim not sure
20:38.19MasterReY^^
20:38.28MasterReYill try it without locking them
20:39.04Helral|afkI just tested it without locked teams and even without setting a team for each player and it still made it team 1 and team 2, each side having 1 slot....
20:39.15Helral|afkand I could make myself spectator.
20:39.35Helral|afkah well I'm off to sleep ;p
20:39.39MasterReYhehe ok
20:39.43MasterReYthanks alot for your effort
20:40.10helral_mobile:)
20:41.00helral_mobileLemme know if that fixed it
20:41.20MasterReYkk
20:42.03zenx1HEY
20:42.10zenx1where was the player mmm
20:42.13zenx1what its called
20:42.19zenx1player info something located
20:42.39zenx1HANDLe
20:43.07zenx1accounts -> some random foller -> ?
20:43.10zenx1I guess thats it :/
20:43.49zenx1aww mna
20:43.50zenx1man
20:43.57zenx1every map has their own handles right?
20:45.26Ahlino
20:45.41MasterReYwtf
20:45.46zenx1oh
20:45.47MasterReYall my ratings just disappreared
20:45.53MasterReYwtf...
20:45.59zenx1I was wondering why there are so many of thse random things on the banks folder
20:46.06zenx1maybe its the code before bank folders
20:46.24AhliC:\Users\Ahli\Documents\StarCraft II\Accounts\*someNumber*\*playerHandle*
20:46.43zenx1yes
20:46.46zenx1thanks for confirmation
20:47.07zenx1got a bit confused on banks folder -_-
20:47.11zenx1went a bit far
20:47.26AhlisomeNumber is something unique to your battle.net account I guess. The handle is the gateway, game license, some number...
20:47.50Ahli1 is NA, 2 is EU, 98 is BETA
20:48.27Ahliso, your map can even check where the game is played ;D
20:48.41zenx1cool
20:48.55Ahlimaybe.... if the handle is a string and not a text. but I think it's a string
20:49.34zenx1its string
20:49.40Ahlibanks of other maps are saved in a folder named with the handle of the map publisher.
20:49.50zenx1oh ok
20:50.03Ahlipls don't ban every mapmaker from your map ;D
20:50.09zenx1so you could even make easter eggs for some awesome mappers
20:50.19Ahliyou could do that, yes
20:50.31zenx1actually Im adding cheat code for ducky ^^
20:50.42MasterReYwooooow, anybody knows why all of my map's rating are gone?
20:50.44zenx1since he is my faithfull tester he doesnt need to grind to test stuff
20:50.49MasterReYand how i can get them back?
20:50.51MasterReY^^
20:51.13Ahlijust wait... or log off and back on... I've heard that can fix it
20:51.18Ahlibibendus had that problem
20:51.22Ahliresolved itself
20:51.36MasterReYalso i was just fucking logging into my account with a wrong password
20:51.40MasterReYwtf man
20:52.05Ahliyou accidentially entered the correct pw while trying to enter a wrong pw?
20:52.14MasterReYthe password is not case sensitive
20:52.38MasterReYinsane
20:52.43MasterReYgonna try again
20:53.05MasterReYlol
20:53.07MasterReYit really works
20:53.14MasterReYthe bnet password is not case-sensitive
20:53.18MasterReY...
20:53.19MasterReYwow
20:53.41MasterReYi have capital letters and small letters in it
20:53.57MasterReYbut it doesnt matter, i can login however i want to write the letters
20:53.58Ahliisn't that secure then ;D you lose a lot of possible letters that way...
20:54.03MasterReYya
20:54.08MasterReYthats what shocking me aswell
20:54.15MasterReYyou should try it aswell right now
20:54.18MasterReYlol
20:54.37MasterReYok tried like 5 different strings now
20:54.39MasterReYall workingh
20:54.40MasterReY--------------------
20:54.52MasterReYthats seriously insane t-t
20:55.02Ashamedhttp://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6968517/Introducing_the_Paragon_System-8_20_2012 <-- Lol the comment from the guy that says blizzard faked good comments +1 ha
20:55.08MasterReYoh
20:55.12MasterReYmy ratings are back tho
20:56.11zenx1I woudlnt be amazed if they faked them
20:56.18zenx1can someone really be excited for that...
20:56.54zenx1blizzard has lost their vision on improving d3
20:56.58zenx1they should just have pushed pvp
20:57.11zenx1even though thats good stuff, pvp is more important
20:57.22Ashamedzen i know
20:57.26Ashamedlike iw as thinking the same thing
20:57.31Ashamedlike when i read a coment like THIS IS AWESOME!!!
20:57.35Ashamedi was like no... fucking way
20:57.37Ahlinot everyone just waits for pvp
20:57.43Ashamedand then this guy post this comment and it made me laugh soooo hard
20:58.11Ahlia lot of people hitting 60 stopped because there was nothing left to do there... now they can grind a week or two again
20:58.15Ashamedahli i think if they really wanted to proov they were tyring to change something... they should of made the new system so you can choose the stats
20:58.46zenx1they are just in "panic" mode
20:58.50Ahlithey wanted to add a slow grind for inferno... that's what they added
20:59.31zenx1Would be nice to see statistic on d3
20:59.36zenx1how the player base has changed
21:00.20Ahliat least all these changes make me want to test d3 again... it will only last a week until I lose another char on level 56 as usual...
21:00.45zenx1thats pretty impressive that you wana see for that
21:00.56zenx1allthou Im a bit curious how the skill balance will be
21:02.06Ashamedoh and that is another thing.. the game released 4 months ago.. and they feel somehow justified that they can create an update that adds 100 new lvls
21:02.20Ashamedthey its obv that they know that the game sucks
21:02.42Ashamed..... 100+ update is like your game has been going on for 10+ years and they need to add something to get it going again
21:03.00MasterReYanyone here knows "Astonia 3" ?
21:03.02MasterReY:)
21:03.06zenx1no
21:03.14Hobrowhmm the new paragon system in diablo 3 ...
21:03.21Hobrownot wuite sure if i like it
21:03.25Hobrowquite*
21:04.05zenx1I think its fine...
21:04.11zenx1but not really anything that matters to me
21:04.25Hobrowwell its till the same game
21:04.29Hobrowstill
21:04.48Hobrowsame monsters same spells
21:05.14zenx1yea...but I cannot really imagine them adding actual new content
21:05.18zenx1it will be for expansion :/
21:05.24Hobrowperhaps i try it
21:05.30Hobrowmost likely
21:06.23Ashamedyeah zen exactly all they did was create a longer grind that gives you +300 more stats
21:06.25Ashamedbig fucking woop
21:06.54Ashamedthe system in d2 did the same thing but at least you got to choose the stats... and you didn't have to wait until lvl 60 lol
21:08.38Hobrowwell i dont really want to continue grinding inferno act 1 and 2
21:08.43Ashamedlol
21:08.46Ashamedwell that is all they added
21:08.48Ashamedso gg
21:09.05Hobrowi already did that like 100 times
21:09.08zenx1I would probly play monk a bit if I didnt have to level it up from lvl1 to 60
21:09.14Ashamedlol zen
21:09.22zenx1I would like if there was something to ease up the grind from low levels
21:09.24AshamedI am not i didn't buy the game :(
21:09.26Ashamed:)*
21:09.36zenx1I would throw my 2mils if I would get lvl60monk
21:09.49Ashamedi am sooo happy i didn't... sometimes i can be quite the critic.... but this time i am happy i listen to my gut
21:10.08zenx1yea I wouldnt recomend d3
21:10.13zenx1its a decent game
21:10.20zenx1but meh overal dissapointing
21:10.22Ashamedmy buddy let me play it arleady
21:10.26Ashamedgot my lvl 60 i am good
21:10.36Ashamedzen the problem is.. its not a continuation to d3 at all
21:10.40Ashamedthe mechanics are all differnt
21:10.40Ahlijust wait till expansion or something... atm it's only a half done game...
21:11.03Ashamedso in itself it works.. but people were looking for d2 mechanics.. which there is prob no concept that they used from d2
21:11.09zenx1biggest dissapointment to be was the story
21:11.21zenx1you cannot recomend the game just because the story is so bad
21:11.27zenx1takes all immersion away
21:11.40zenx1"fighting demons EMPEROR HAKAN"
21:11.47Hobrowwell i liked the story unitl end of act 3
21:11.48Ashamedyeah i dont even know the story and i beat it 5 times or so lol
21:12.09zenx1the emperor hakan was so stupid character
21:12.11Hobrowthen i got just weird
21:12.17Hobrowit*
21:12.19zenx1he just blinked all over the place
21:13.16Ashamedyou know what i fucking hated.. that secondary boss magma or w/e her name was
21:13.26Ashamedlike she was just a weak ass second boss.. but she follows you half of the story
21:13.29Ashamed... i didn't get that part
21:13.31zenx1magda
21:13.32Ahlichars in d3 talked so much ;S
21:13.34zenx1close enough
21:13.36Ahli*bosses
21:13.41Ahli*both
21:14.03zenx1only half decent boss in d3 was butcher IMO
21:14.13Ashamedlike i exected her to be more in the resistance of your character
21:14.16Ashamedbut you just kill her and thats it
21:14.19zenx1belial was pure bullshit with his 1hit KO pools which made no sense at all
21:14.22Ashamedlike the bitch kills cain the main character
21:14.24zenx1diablo had titties
21:14.31Ashamedand she is a fucking secondary boss that ends like that
21:14.37Ashameddiablo i feel like was kerigan model
21:14.52zenx1even if the host was GIRL I dont think its still allowable to make it SO LAME
21:14.57zenx1like not even trying to be scary or anything
21:15.12zenx1comparing to kerrigan is pretty good indeed
21:16.28EiviynHated d3 story
21:16.34EiviynWas both predictable and cheesy all at once
21:17.01EiviynThe "now hope rests with humanity" thing (same ending they did with cata, I might add) made me cringe
21:17.29EiviynEither my glasses are rose tinted, or whoever wrote the wc3 story has been fired since then
21:17.46zenx1I really liked TFT ending
21:17.51zenx1that made me want to wait for wc4
21:17.54EiviynCinematics were very nice though
21:18.10Ahlicinematics are always nice
21:18.20EiviynEven if watching 2 angels fight was a bit strange, it looked cool
21:19.10Fateis player 1 in allys of player 1 = player 1?
21:22.06Fatehm seens like NO
21:22.41EiviynWould take 30 seconds to check
21:24.47Ashamedwtf
21:24.52Hobrowyay spacewhales pvp
21:24.57Ashamedi just had an exchange server act like a fucking pop all of a sudden
21:25.17Ashamedjust deleted all of this chicks emails in like a second ><
21:27.29Ashamederg why you email WHY!
21:28.30Hobrowspace whales?
21:29.50Ashamedspace whales are pretty crazy
21:31.14Hobrownah
21:31.18Hobrowwell
21:31.28Hobrowbetter ask eiviyn
21:31.36Hobrowhe knows them pretty well
21:31.49EiviynFucking spacewhales
21:32.14EiviynYou need a music playlist
21:33.10Hobrowits 67 tracks long
21:33.56zenx1I miss eiviyns stories of desert strike
21:33.59Hobrowhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDhNc6dEdYM
21:34.04zenx1how all those players always owned him
21:34.46Ahliwasn't the stream revived for like.... 1 show?
21:34.47Fategeez i want bigger patchfinding blockers
21:34.57Fate*path
21:35.09zenx1yea
21:35.13zenx1it was
21:35.30zenx1perhaps hots will revive it again for 1 episode
21:36.05Hobrow^^
21:36.16Hatisomeone here who can draw ?
21:36.23zenx1I can
21:36.29Hobrowi can as well
21:36.33Hatihands?
21:36.35Hobrowbut you wont like it :D
21:37.06zenx1I think my skills are quite mediocre
21:37.28Ahlifate, just create bigger pathfinding blockers yourself ;D
21:37.50Ahlihttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319509 that show existed, too. but it seems like it died already
21:38.22zenx1that even sountrack aint too bad
21:39.18HobrowEvE
21:40.12Hobrowhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDVEHE10nHc
21:43.37*** join/#sc2mapster Daara (62a8da84@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.168.218.132)
21:44.00Daarahow's it going nerds?
21:44.43Hobrowdoing some pvp
21:44.53FateYEAH
21:44.58Fateim finished^^
21:45.01Fatesooo
21:45.20Fateanyone wants to see the new terrain for my map?^^
21:45.28Fate(on EU)
21:45.38zenx1what starwammer or what?
21:46.16Fateyes^^
21:46.31Fatewell ist starhammer
21:47.00Fateu wana see?^^
21:47.06Hobrowim wondering, can you create cliffs on the fly?
21:47.09Fatei have to show someone^^
21:47.24Daaraapparently i was banned from the battle.net forums for a week while i was working for "masking profanity"...
21:47.45zenx1take a picture and post on forums
21:48.00Ashamed....
21:48.06Daaradidn't know the restrictions were that severe for typing "shit" and having it censored
21:48.38Fatetahts not the same^^
21:48.55Fateu have to play it live^^
21:49.20Daarafuck it, we'll do it live
21:50.32Fateso ur in?^^
21:55.48Daaraevery post i've made on the forums was deleted -_-
21:56.07Ashamedlol
21:56.10Daarafor saying shit
21:56.11Ashameddaara blizzard blows
21:56.21AshamedI am so sick and tired of their company
21:56.22AhliBlizz-Artestru, http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6721/screenshot2012082023534.jpg I'm sure you can spot what's wrong there. :)
21:56.24Daaraseriously, the cm who did that should be ashamed of himself
21:57.01ExakenYour posts are not deleted, they are just hidden while your banned
21:57.08Daarai'm not banned anymore
21:57.17Exakenoh
21:57.22Exakennvm then
21:57.27Daarait was while i was working for 2 weeks in des moines
21:57.32Ashamedback to they blow ><
21:58.28Ashamedi have been reading comments on the new patch for d3... and it just makes my hate go higher and higher...
21:58.49zenx1Dont be hatin
21:59.28AshamedI can't help it zen
21:59.33Ahlijust make your own diablo games how they should be and become rich
21:59.47AshamedAhli i will just play path of exile :)
22:00.00Ahli^^
22:00.32zenx1path of excile seemed to have some interestnig features
22:00.43Fatehttp://abload.de/browseGallery.php?gal=zuNAwl8b&img=terrain0173pj24.jpg
22:00.48zenx1but not enough hype to drag me in like d3 did lol
22:01.00Fatehttp://www.abload.de/img/terrain0188fjkd.jpg
22:01.13AhliPoE is like heaven for the people that like to experiment... that feature is missing in D3
22:01.30zenx1Fate: decent, but you should know you are not a terrainer :D
22:01.35zenx1like myself
22:01.43zenx1I know I cannot do terrain too well :/
22:01.48Fateautch^^
22:01.56*** join/#sc2mapster Blizz-Deletarius (d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72)
22:02.01Blizz-Deletariusafternoon
22:02.04Daaraafternoon
22:02.10Daaradeletarius
22:02.17AhliBlizz-Deletarius, http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6721/screenshot2012082023534.jpg I'm sure you can spot what's wrong there.
22:02.18Blizz-Deletariusdaara
22:02.19zenx1pretty nice atmosphere but kinda bland
22:02.24zenx1hello
22:02.29Daaracan you go he-man bitchslap the cm that banned me a week and deleted all my posts for saying "Shit"
22:02.50Blizz-Deletariussorry daara
22:02.52Daarai would certainly appreciate it
22:03.00Blizz-Deletariuscloaken's good people
22:03.29Blizz-DeletariusAhli - I see nothing wrong with the aspect ratio issues that are shown in your screenshot :P
22:03.31Blizz-Deletariushow'd that happen?
22:03.52Fatebland? -.-
22:04.03AhliI changed the selection in the dropdown... then that appeared pretty fast
22:04.18Blizz-Deletariusis it something that's relatively easily reproducible?
22:04.31Ahliif I scroll down a bit to approx the half of the third review, it fixes itself
22:04.34Ahliyes
22:05.12Blizz-Deletariusthat's odd
22:05.16Daaracan we expect a bug fix patch here soonish™ deletarius?
22:05.18Blizz-Deletariusis this only on eu?
22:05.27Ahlithat's NA
22:05.30Blizz-Deletariusoh?
22:05.37Blizz-Deletariuslemme check
22:05.40Ahlithat was made just a few minutes ago
22:05.50Blizz-DeletariusI'll even search for your map too
22:06.06Ahlisearch "diablo"... your search is broken.
22:06.08zenx1remember to rate it 5 stars!
22:06.33zenx1and admin power should add a little bit extra
22:07.20*** join/#sc2mapster Taintedwisp (adbd3753@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.189.55.83)
22:07.35Blizz-Deletariusno I browsed for it
22:07.38Ahlialso people tend to drop out of my map repeatedly at the start of the map... if they delete their map cache and load it again, it works
22:07.43Blizz-Deletariusso what am I supposed to do?
22:07.43TaintedwispOh hel Deletarius :P
22:07.46TaintedwispHey
22:07.51Blizz-Deletariusto make this happen?
22:07.52Ahlichose recent reviews
22:07.53Blizz-Deletariushi sir
22:07.57Daarayour map takes a long time to load at the start ahli
22:08.11Ahlithen chose the first option (helpful)
22:08.15Ahlithen chose recent again
22:08.26Taintedwispahhh my map is coming Fantastic
22:08.29Taintedwispits about damn time
22:08.34AhliI just try it again myself now
22:08.35Blizz-Deletariusdo I need to click "current version only"?
22:08.43Ahlino
22:08.49Blizz-Deletariusso
22:08.57Ahliwhy should a filter change the layout?
22:09.00Blizz-Deletariusyou just toggle back between most recent and most helpful?
22:09.03Ahliyes
22:09.08Blizz-DeletariusI'm just asking ;)
22:09.25Daarai can't reproduce it myself
22:09.26Ahlino, I didn't try to restart my computer ;)
22:09.28Hobrowwhy would chaning any off that couse a bug like that anyway? :D
22:09.43Blizz-Deletariushmmm, no dice ahli
22:09.45Blizz-Deletarius:(
22:09.47TaintedwispTdhsst is a troll on the battle.net forums too... -_-
22:09.48Taintedwisplol
22:10.00AhliI try to create that again
22:10.07Ahlimaybe my resolution creates that bug
22:10.08TaintedwispIm a troll, but the good kind, the kind that leaves some useful informations in my trolling
22:10.11zenx1Blizz-Deletarius: add me an option to disable ratings. Nobody will play my map when they see 3 stars on em :(
22:10.12Blizz-Deletariusjust tried switching back and forth between them over and over again and between other things
22:10.15Daarawhat resolution you in?
22:10.27zenx1dont even know if that would help, but would be interested to try
22:10.53Blizz-Deletariuszenx1 maybe you should address the concerns of those rating your map to get higher ratings? :)
22:11.04Daaralol owned
22:11.10zenx1have you read the comments? ;:D
22:11.15zenx1they are always something so random
22:11.24Hobrowlike " "?
22:11.25Ahli1280x720, everything on low, fullscreen
22:11.28Blizz-DeletariusI don't read people's comments, just like I don't read people's comments on youtube
22:11.43Ahlimy native screen resolution is 1440x990
22:11.52Blizz-Deletariusthat's odd
22:12.02zenx1like in beta i had rating "this map sucks 5 stars"
22:12.07zenx1what am I to make of that?
22:12.17Blizz-Deletariuswell if it's 5 stars, nothing really
22:12.29Hobrowyeah like my last one: "i found it fun for the first section of the gabe but by then i was getting pretty bored of my characters as there were no upgrades i hadnt bought with the only character i used out of the 2 i had"
22:12.33zenx1cant remember any other comments -_-
22:12.57Fatezenx1 whats your map?
22:12.58Blizz-Deletariuswelcome to game development :)
22:13.05zenx1I got plenty
22:13.09zenx1of maps
22:13.15zenx1just pick a genre
22:13.22AhliI have ratings like: map is awesome: 2 stars
22:13.34Fatewhat is the one ur talking about?
22:13.44zenx1probly card warriors
22:13.46Taintedwisplol
22:13.49Ahlinow I can't recreate the problem ;S
22:13.55Hobrowzenx1 perhaps you just finish one?
22:14.08zenx1wtf man? I have 2 maps published even
22:14.17zenx1dont you dare to say finish one
22:14.33Hobrowyeah but to be fair you never really polished them
22:14.41Ahlibut I created that problem 2 times in one session 21 minutes ago
22:14.49zenx1have you even played card warriors?
22:15.06Hobrowthat card game?
22:15.10Fatei havent i was about to test it
22:15.19Hobrowi did its just quite some time ago
22:15.32zenx1well test again and come back
22:15.49zenx1if you can say its not polished you are a fool wheter you like the gameplay or not
22:16.06Taintedwisphey Blizz-Deletarius, I asked Artestru and he said he didnt know, do you know who I should contact or where I should post to request that a name on battle.net be freed up, I think My old teammate, who left disgruntled, took the name, but like I said there is NO map there so I was wandering if It could be freed up.
22:16.23Blizz-Deletariusa map name?
22:16.25Taintedwispyeah
22:16.36TaintedwispIf its not possible then I need to start thinking of new names.
22:17.04Blizz-Deletariusoh...I suppose that I would submit a technical support ticket? or a CS ticket? otherwise I wouldn't know
22:17.15*** part/#sc2mapster goaa (~hookah604@adsl-124-23.globonet.hu)
22:17.26TaintedwispIll try a TechSupport ticket then thanks
22:17.31TaintedwispI know its an odd question
22:18.00TaintedwispHEY thats something I want in the editor... A button to Request a name be freed up :P
22:18.19Daarathat would be a good option
22:18.22Hobrowdefault dialog styple
22:18.24Hobrow-p
22:18.27Hobrow?
22:18.33Daaramaps that haven't been updated in awhile
22:18.55Blizz-Deletariusthat could cause conflicts in versioning and whatnot
22:19.04Fatei want to see how many ppl are in the lobby before i jion it.
22:19.12Blizz-Deletariusfor any reason?
22:19.20Fateyes
22:19.23Blizz-Deletariusgo on
22:20.02Fatewait let me think about how to say it in english^^
22:20.31*** join/#sc2mapster Khalint (62d5885e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.213.136.94)
22:22.34FateOK : in order to find a game thats nearly full, faster. If a game is full it dissaers form the list.
22:22.53Fatethat means there are less games left
22:23.03Blizz-DeletariusI figured that's what you were trying to look for
22:23.06Fatethat means they will fill faster
22:23.34Blizz-Deletariushere's the thing though - say that this is the case, and you start a game with 11 open slots
22:23.53TaintedwispOh yeah Deletarius, I would also like to request that Hide lobby is unchecked by default
22:24.15TaintedwispI get asked that several times...
22:24.23Taintedwisphow to fix the lobby
22:24.23Blizz-Deletariusif I can see that there needs to be 11 additional people in order to fill up the game to start it in yours, vs 3 more needed to start it in tainted's lobby, I'm going to join tainted's lobby over yours
22:24.26AhliNext problem: http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4458/screenshot2012082100215.jpg I fixed that for one guy by telling him to clear the map cache and download it again...
22:24.44TaintedwispEveryone is going to join taintedwisp lobby
22:24.46Blizz-Deletariusdo you see how that creates a problem Fate?
22:25.04TaintedwispCaus ehes dat RNS
22:25.16Fatewell i thought about that too
22:25.44Blizz-DeletariusTainted, I'll get to yours in a second
22:25.51Taintedwisplol
22:26.25Blizz-Deletariusanyway, go on Fate
22:26.43Fatebut i think players would be more motivated to jion a game if they see how many ppl are already in
22:26.54zenx1Blizz-Deletarius: who the fuck invented the show more button. Its more evil than diablo
22:27.01Ahlitaintedwisp is afk for 2 hours in the lobby as host...
22:27.14zenx1Blizz-Deletarius: on side not pass it on to make rotatin open games list
22:27.16Taintedwisplol
22:27.31TaintedwispTaintedwisp, is da man with da plan... always
22:27.53Blizz-Deletariusbut Fate, how does that solve the problem of people specifically joining a game that is almost full over a game with not that many people in it?
22:27.54Ahliwhat would happen then?
22:28.11Daarawell, it would help move one of the list quicker
22:28.22Daaraonce one fills up then the 2nd becomes the obvious choice
22:28.34Daaraif it is the same map
22:28.39Fateit doesnt
22:28.42Blizz-DeletariusThe thing is, the game will fill up - you may have to wait a few mins
22:28.47Blizz-Deletariusbut it *will* fill up
22:28.51TaintedwispFate, http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6293489293   read that and support :P
22:29.27Ahlijoiny, sees that he is in the same games, leaves.... joins again, sees that host again, leaves, joins again, ragequits the game and starts marine arena
22:29.42Taintedwisplol
22:29.52TaintedwispI dont sit inactivly in my maps since the open games list came out
22:30.01TaintedwispThough I should promote my own crap once i n a while
22:30.29AhliI should sit and wait in my singleplayer lobby all day ;D
22:30.32TaintedwispDeletarius, you should balance my Map when its finished, LAWL, jk thats a LOT of balancing
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22:30.38IcesmasterHiya!
22:30.41Ahlithen my game would be on the list forever ;D
22:30.46Blizz-DeletariusI don't do game balancing ;)
22:31.00Hobrowlucky you its boring as shit :D
22:31.10Taintedwisphaha, yeah lets put it this way, to balance my map you would have to Re-balance Evrey unit in Sc2
22:31.11zenx1*drumroll*
22:31.12Taintedwisplawl
22:31.17zenx1my map is ready for testing
22:31.23TaintedwispNo it isnt Zenx...
22:31.27zenx1but gona have to wait for tomorrow I suppose just to make sure
22:31.28Taintedwisp*breakys map
22:31.41Taintedwisp~dance
22:31.41purl<(*.*<) <(*.*)> \(*.*)/ (>*.*)>
22:31.49Icesmastera Quick quastion, could some one direct me to the ingame Help creation ( F12 ) so can read only the relevant stuff thats needed?
22:32.01Daara~shrug
22:32.02purlgo. to. sleep.
22:32.16Fatesee: if u join a game an see nobody is there then u are somehow motivated to leave and look for an other game. If u jion a game thats nearly full u will stay. right? If u would be able to see how many ppl are in the game before u jion, u might need less time to finaly play a game.
22:32.17Taintedwisp~taintedwisp
22:32.17purl[taintedwisp] a wispy taint. Ew.
22:32.20Taintedwisplol
22:32.32Daaralol wtf
22:32.39Taintedwisp~daara
22:32.41Taintedwisplol
22:32.44Daara:<
22:32.45Taintedwispits cause im special
22:32.48Fateso finding a game would need less time for everyone
22:32.49Motiveslaps JademusSreg around a bit with a large trout
22:32.50Taintedwisplawl
22:33.05Blizz-Deletariusafk
22:33.07Ahliyay it works... now I only need to keep my laptop running until I return in 18 hours...
22:33.19TaintedwispkK deletarius, Thanks for still coming here for the past weeks :D
22:33.44Daara~seen JademusSreg
22:33.57purljademussreg is currently on #sc2mapster (1d 23h 23m 53s). Has said a total of 22 messages. Is idling for 9h 48m 42s, last said: 'bbl'.
22:33.58Daarapurl!
22:34.35Ahlihe might be asleep, still...
22:34.40zenx1purl!
22:34.47zenx1asnwer me damnit
22:34.51Ahli~seen purl
22:34.52purlpurl is currently on #lotrouidev (14d 2h 49m 19s) #casualti (14d 2h 49m 19s) #linuxfund (14d 2h 49m 19s) #waruidev (14d 2h 49m 19s) #how (14d 2h 49m 19s) #sc2mapster (14d 2h 49m 19s) #riftuidev (14d 2h 49m 19s) #edev (14d 2h 49m 19s) #fossfund (14d 2h 49m 19s) #hosernet (14d 2h 49m 19s) #norganna (14d 2h 49m 19s) #ud (14d 2h 49m 19s) ##ducleague (14d 2h ...
22:35.00Taintedwisp~jademssreg
22:35.11zenx1!purl
22:35.13Taintedwisp~zenx1
22:35.18Daara~jademussreg
22:35.18purlextra, extra, read all about it, jademussreg is living large with women and money
22:35.21Taintedwisphmmm
22:35.25Taintedwisplol
22:35.28Ahliis ud unconfessional design?
22:35.29zenx1hahahaha
22:35.30Taintedwispsee hes special too
22:35.32zenx1photon cycles money
22:35.40Taintedwisponly cool people are answered by purl
22:35.40Taintedwisplol
22:35.50Taintedwisp~thealmaity
22:35.54Taintedwisplol
22:36.03Ahli~Ahli
22:36.08Taintedwisp~@sixen
22:36.11Taintedwisp~sixen
22:36.11purli guess sixen is our glorious overlord who without, we wouldn't have this cyberslum to fling our messy verbal diarrhea around.
22:36.21Taintedwisphaha
22:36.25Ahli~taintedwisp
22:36.25purltaintedwisp is, like, a wispy taint. Ew.
22:36.28Ahli;D
22:36.35TaintedwispIm happy with it
22:36.52TaintedwispGreat stuff... :D
22:37.01Ahli~kueken
22:37.03Taintedwisp~dogmai
22:37.04purlit has been said that dogmai is my dog and he bites
22:37.15Taintedwisp~Rodrigo
22:37.16purlsomebody said rodrigo was not a troll :(
22:37.21Taintedwisplol
22:37.24Taintedwisp~bounty
22:37.25purlextra, extra, read all about it, bounty is extremely absorbent, great for cleaning up spills, blood, and other bodily fluids.
22:37.28Motive~motive
22:37.35MotiveTHERE IS NO MOTIVE :(
22:37.37Taintedwisplol
22:37.42Taintedwisp~darkrevenant
22:37.45Taintedwispnope
22:37.47Taintedwisp~commands
22:37.54Taintedwisp~Purl
22:37.54purlpurl is, like, the only good thing about sc2mapster
22:37.58Ahli~grum
22:38.03Taintedwispahli
22:38.04Blizz-Deletarius~Deletarius
22:38.05Taintedwisp~ahli
22:38.08Taintedwisplol
22:38.13Blizz-Deletarius~Deleterius
22:38.21Taintedwisp~blizz-deletarius
22:38.21Blizz-Deletariuswelp
22:38.23zenx1hah
22:38.24Taintedwispaww
22:38.24Taintedwisplol
22:38.44TaintedwispI wonder who programs these...
22:38.49Taintedwisplol
22:38.57Taintedwisp~vailreth
22:38.57purl[vailreth] not sure why an ability would stop working
22:39.12Ahlisomeone who play lord of the rings online, rift and likes to make UI
22:39.21TaintedwispI noticed that it has mostly the most active IRC people.
22:39.46Fateanyway is someone up for a maptest??? testing alone is so boring
22:39.52Taintedwisp~prencher
22:40.00Ahli~exaken
22:40.07Ahli~hobrow
22:40.09Taintedwisp~cksynergy
22:40.11Taintedwisplol
22:40.13Hobrowwhat?
22:40.16Ahli~what
22:40.16purlidk
22:40.17Taintedwisphahaha
22:40.22Exakenlol:D
22:40.24Taintedwisp~who
22:40.51Taintedwisplol I remember when I first started coming here... I thought purl was just some douche that would never answer me lawl
22:40.56Ahli~dayvie
22:41.06Taintedwisp~Ishadowwolf
22:41.10Taintedwispaww
22:41.11Taintedwisplol
22:41.19Daarahaha deletarius isn't special :D
22:41.26Exaken~Ahli
22:41.26Ahli~Daara
22:41.39Hobrowwtf are you doing?
22:41.44Daara~wtf
22:41.50Hobrow~Hobrow
22:41.51Ahli~bounty nothing
22:41.57Ahli~bounty
22:41.58purlbounty is, like, extremely absorbent, great for cleaning up spills, blood, and other bodily fluids.
22:41.59Hobrowthat does nothing at all
22:41.59Daarawtf, purl just messaged me lol
22:42.00Fate~Fate
22:42.08TaintedwispOh yeah Deletarius, that reminds me, hAHA, I dont know why I said we needed that crap for Xp bars... I didnt know it was this easy to make heroes
22:42.16Taintedwispit takes about 5 minutes per hero, and then the abilities
22:42.25Ahliwho owns purl?
22:42.33Blizz-Deletariusgotcha
22:42.51TaintedwispMr Beef o' Matic is almost finished
22:42.52Taintedwisplol
22:43.00Daaraanyone else familiar with this meme?
22:43.01Daarahttp://knowyourmeme.com/memes/chubby-bubbles-girl
22:43.13TaintedwispHes going to be a tauren marine riding an infestor
22:43.14Taintedwisplol
22:44.32Daarai saw a 4 foot tall 4 foot wide girl with the same facial expression waddling/pushing someone in a wheel chair yesterday, i had to fight bursting out laughing because of how hilarious her face was
22:45.13Taintedwispehhh it doesnt really sound funny...
22:45.37Daaraif you saw it you would laugh
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22:46.14Daarabrb
22:46.20FlopjackThanks, btw, Daara.
22:46.27Ahlihttp://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/312/563/05d.jpg
22:46.46FlopjackI need a few volunteers for helping test a map. I'm working on Evolution Wars (classic) from Starcraft 1.
22:48.05FlopjackLooks like zero interested parties.
22:48.10Taintedwisphttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dipnf75oBXE
22:48.13Taintedwispahhahahah classi
22:48.14Taintedwispc
22:50.33Daarahave you tried the open game list flopjack?
22:50.37Daaramight get some testers that way
22:51.57TaintedwispGlad no one has beaten me to making my map yet...
22:51.58Taintedwisplol
22:51.59FlopjackOpen game list?
22:52.57Icesmasterhey there
22:53.20Daarayea you can create your game for people to browse through
22:53.21Icesmasterhow do i delete all Help strings ( F12 ) then add manually the ones are important?
22:53.21Daaralike in wc3
22:54.39Daarathink i'll get a galaxy s3 tomorrow
22:55.25Blizz-Deletariusdo the right thing, get an iPhone 5 when it comes out
22:55.36Taintedwispewww Iphone
22:55.47TaintedwispDo the RiGHT THANK get a Ps Vita
22:55.49Taintedwisplol
22:55.54Taintedwispand then hack it for phone support
22:55.55Taintedwisplawl
22:56.32Ahlido the right thing and buy older models because the new ones are overprized... economy 1x1...
22:56.42Daarascrew apple
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22:57.00TaintedwispHey Deletarius, When Is blizzard going to do it so I will buy a phone :P  I SWORE that I would never own a phone until they had one that could play Wc2 at full speed....
22:57.25Taintedwispin another 5 years that will ahve to be wc3
22:57.26Daarai'm sure you could play wc2 on any of the new phones
22:57.36Vailrethhello folks
22:57.43TaintedwispNo you cant, PC Emulations are crap
22:57.45Ahliget win8 on phone, try to install dosbox and wc2
22:57.53TaintedwispWell not that WC2
22:57.57Blizz-Deletariusanyway, afk for reals
22:57.58TaintedwispWc2 Bnet edition
22:57.59Taintedwisplol
22:58.07Taintedwisp~vailreth
22:58.07purlhmm... vailreth is not sure why an ability would stop working
22:58.09Taintedwisplol
22:58.14DaaraHAHA
22:58.30TaintedwispHey vailrteh
22:58.42Vailrethi dont think i ever figured out why that specific ability stopped and started working again
22:58.46TaintedwispGlol
22:58.47Ahlisell phone, buy laptop with internet stick
22:59.50VailrethTaintedwisp
23:00.09AhliPicard: "Ahli i cant play Diablo map!!!" :( bnet makes me sad.
23:00.17Taintedwisp?
23:01.24Vailrethhow are the heros coming?
23:01.36TaintedwispWell I got it half done
23:01.42TaintedwispGotta do abilties, and balancing
23:01.49Vailrethahsee
23:02.09Taintedwispand gotta attack an infestor under it
23:02.15Taintedwispattach
23:02.47Taintedwispeither do that or switch out the texture
23:02.55*** part/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@ip-2-206-0-53.web.vodafone.de)
23:02.56Vailrethinfestor riders the hitnew kids show.... about magical teens who summon infestors to ride and fight evil
23:03.06Taintedwisplol
23:03.17Taintedwispno this is 2012
23:03.29TaintedwispInfestor riders the new boreing ass reality show about riding infestors...
23:03.47Vailrethna
23:03.54Vailrethit would be infestor repo then
23:03.58Taintedwispkah thats riht
23:04.03TaintedwispOr Infestor stars
23:04.14TaintedwispActualyl I think I might do that for a marine
23:04.18Taintedwispor a zealot..
23:04.20Vailrethinfesting with the stars or something
23:04.29Taintedwispbut ill leave the tauren marine by itself
23:05.22Vailreththe Tauren Space marine makes me think Warhammer 40k meets cowboys of moo mesa
23:06.29Taintedwisplol
23:06.52Taintedwispyou should do the rest of my heroes and abilties for me :P
23:07.20TaintedwispHonestly I have no idea what the heroes are going to be
23:07.26Taintedwispi was thinking of using the Dark Archon model.
23:07.27Vailrethdid you create one base Veterancy behavior to base all of the hero ones on?
23:07.55Taintedwispyeah
23:09.08Vailrethi see, thats good
23:09.21TaintedwispI mean I can make them all, but DAMMTI
23:09.22Taintedwisplol
23:09.28TaintedwispI dont know how I am going to do the abilities
23:10.54Taintedwisp:D
23:11.03TaintedwispIt is coming great though, because I have my entire evolution system, my terrain, most of my triggers
23:11.04Vailrethi can help out and develop a few, what kind of abilities did you have in mind
23:11.04TaintedwispAnd 1 boss
23:11.17Taintedwispi dont know I am not creative lol
23:11.19TaintedwispI made a cow...
23:11.27Taintedwispnamed it beef o matic that gets stronger when it levels
23:11.27Taintedwisplol
23:11.58Vailrethreminds me of the cows in teh ripping friends
23:12.20TaintedwispI think I am thinking of adding a few custom models
23:12.33TaintedwispMaybe a dragon... that shoots fireballs
23:12.38Taintedwisplol
23:12.44Taintedwispand can do stuff like dat
23:12.59Taintedwispwith an ultimate that rains meteors or something id unno
23:13.05TaintedwispLike  I said I am not Creative whatsoever
23:13.32Vailrethyeah thats my issue i can make em work but i cant make em up
23:13.46TaintedwispWell I cant do either right now :P
23:13.50Taintedwispbut I can learn quickish
23:14.17TaintedwispDoes Diablo have Attack animations?
23:15.22Vailreththe one in sc2? no it just stands there
23:16.29Taintedwisphmm
23:17.09Vailrethbut there is away you could make some animatuons for it, not sure if it still works but you could use the plugin to import it into a 3d program and depending on the program create animations in the model or create a M3A file
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23:21.03Taintedwisphmm
23:21.19IcebaneHi guys!
23:21.37Vailrethhello
23:21.54*** join/#sc2mapster Almaity (5d886763@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.136.103.99)
23:22.41Vailrethhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/art-assets/36461-my-first-m3a-animation-made-with-my-m3addon-for-blender/ talks about how to create m3as with the blender 3d addon
23:24.31IcebaneDoes the blender addon have an export yet?
23:24.40Vailrethyes
23:24.49IcebaneFully working? :D
23:24.57IcebaneCause last time I checked it didn't work
23:25.44Vailrethi dont know if it can handle ribbons yet but it can export bones atleast, i used it to export a single bone for testing with adding turrets to models with out turretz
23:26.21Icebanesounds sweet
23:26.37Blizz-Deletariusalso, you guys are wrong about the title of the infestor reality tv show
23:26.46IcebaneI'm so sad blizz haven't released offical addon and plugins for diverse moddeling software :<
23:26.48Blizz-Deletariusit would be Infestor Wars
23:27.20Vailrethheh
23:27.28IcebaneDeltarius, why you no realese addons?! :<
23:27.37Icebanerelease*
23:27.50Blizz-DeletariusI don't do addons
23:28.09Blizz-Deletariusdo you have 3dsMax?
23:28.14Icebaneyeah
23:28.17Blizz-Deletariusoh, ok, good
23:28.25Blizz-Deletariuspeople were talking about Blender
23:28.26Icebanedidnt get the exporter to work good tho
23:28.36Icebaneimporter*
23:28.39Vailrethpersoanlly i would pay a respectable amount for offical even if unoffical blender addons for m3s.
23:28.49Blizz-Deletariusget max sir
23:28.57Vailrethi cant get max...
23:29.08Icebanewhenever I imported m3 it started screaaaaming about loss of vertecies and stuff
23:29.16Vailreththis year is my last one of my student trial... so eh..
23:29.28IcebaneThey're gonna release 2013 soon
23:29.29IcebaneI think
23:29.38Icebanetheres a new trial!
23:29.55Vailrethbut im nolonger a student  
23:30.02Icebaneawwh :<
23:30.42Icebanethen I can see why, it's so ridiculous that they have an annual fee for using their software
23:30.52Blizz-Deletariuswhat?
23:31.02IcebaneThe licences
23:31.10IcebaneI heard they cost per year or something
23:31.13Icebaneisn't that true?
23:31.30Blizz-Deletariusno?
23:31.43Icebanehaha, oh well thats good news!
23:31.44Blizz-Deletariushttp://usa.autodesk.com/3ds-max/how-to-buy/
23:32.06Blizz-Deletariusalternatively, look on ebay or craigslist for older versions
23:32.09TaintedwispDeletarius, they can sign up as unemployed, and they can get a free student version :P
23:32.20TaintedwispThats how I got mine
23:32.21Blizz-Deletariuswhich is limited
23:32.24Taintedwisptrue
23:32.26Icebanestill 3,6k $ is a lot of cash
23:32.40TaintedwispOr,you didnt hear this, Extratorrent.com and TPB.SE are great places...
23:32.42Taintedwisplol
23:33.28IcebaneIf I remember the community's philosophy we should not openly support pirating
23:33.31Icebane^^
23:34.16Vailrethi will not "aquire" anything thing that can be otherwise obtained Properly via resasonable means
23:34.35Vailrethwell of that pricetag anyway..
23:35.06Almaity*wants to comment on the subject* *remembers he's a mod and the previously mentioned philosopy*
23:35.08IcebaneIt would've been okey if the upgrade to next version wouldn't cost 1k $ as well
23:35.29Icebane;)
23:36.35Vailreththey dont really understand the concept of " affordable" 3d modling"
23:37.01Almaity*looks at link*
23:37.09Almaity*backs away slowly*
23:37.10TaintedwispI went to the Korean Model site, and was going to download a model... BUT DAMMIT I cant typ ekorean to make an account and BS my way through
23:37.11Almaity*backs away less slowly*
23:37.13Taintedwispnor can I read Korean
23:37.14Taintedwisplol
23:37.53IcebaneKorean model site? xD
23:37.58TaintedwispWell look.. I used to moderate for extratorrent.... sooo yeah
23:38.02Taintedwispthats my philosiphy
23:38.03Taintedwisplol
23:38.04Vailrethive spent over 300 usd supporting blender and id love to see it even unoffically supported by the industries... its not that its not capable i think
23:38.38Vailrethbut it does lack some of those fun and simplifying features ...
23:38.53TaintedwispEh im not into modeling
23:39.18AlmaityOk, a question, I want to do some very simple model modifications (Like rescaling a model, or putting 3 PDDs into the same model to resemble magneton), what's better for that (taking into acount newb friendlyness and importer/exporter): Blender or Max?
23:39.44Taintedwisphttp://cafe.naver.com/star2model.cafe?iframe_url=/ArticleList.nhn%3Fsearch.clubid=20504597%26search.menuid=21%26search.boardtype=I%26userDisplay=
23:39.45Taintedwisplol
23:39.45Blizz-DeletariusMax - only because the art tools will be for max
23:39.47IcebaneMax I think, Max has A LOT of more tutorials
23:39.56Icebaneand better tuts
23:40.05Taintedwispplus its max...
23:40.06Taintedwisplol
23:40.15Vailrethid go with max for when the art tools are released
23:40.16Almaity@Deletarius Once those art tools are out, I'll definitely use Max. But it's not out, so that doesn't answer my answer currently.
23:40.40AlmaityPut the word "tomorrow" into my question if necessary
23:41.05Vailrethblender has an interesting interface and a weird learning curve but i think its  the better choice personally
23:41.10AlmaityI already know the basics of max btw
23:41.15Almaityvery, very basic basics
23:41.59Icebanejust go to youtube, you'll find a bunch of tuts
23:42.10Almaityso yeah, not looking into full blown modeling but minor modifications like scale and putting together seperate models, so the importer/exporter is rather important
23:42.19Icebanealso use the manual, mostly good documentation
23:42.32AlmaityYea, I've already gone through all the max tutorials a long time ago
23:42.46Almaityand watched one of the modcrafts back when they aired and learned a bit there
23:43.01Taintedwispdid you watch Corbos videos? or was that Modcraft?
23:43.18Almaitybut my question pretty much boils down to "Which exporter is currently more reliable, and if its blender, is it harder to use than max for really simple stuff?"
23:43.21AlmaityDidnt watch Corbos vids
23:43.34AlmaityModcraft is ancient, around the time sc2 came out.
23:43.47Blizz-DeletariusAlmaity
23:44.00AlmaityPlease don't say Soon :p
23:44.03Almaitylol
23:44.16Blizz-Deletariusthe thing is though - why would you learn how to use Blender now, then have to learn Max once the art tools came out?
23:44.55Taintedwispsoon
23:44.58Taintedwisp:D
23:45.13IcebaneSoon TM
23:45.17AlmaityBecause I'm not going to be doing much learning. Rescaling and moving models around isn't that hard, and hopefully isn't any harder in Blender (Which is pretty much my question)
23:45.24AlmaityI'm not a modeler, I'm a data editor
23:45.28AlmaityI'd use site ops
23:45.35Blizz-Deletariusokie dokie
23:45.48AlmaityBut the Model Dialog Item doesn't use those
23:45.48Taintedwispim a jackass of all trades... i do everything... poorly
23:45.51IcebaneI would suggest you pick whatever of those too that has tutorials which easily learns you the how-to
23:45.55Almaityand I can't set up their actors in the data editor
23:46.04Blizz-DeletariusI mean I prefer Maya myself, but, that doesn't really matter for me haha
23:46.05Almaityso I have to externally edit the models to show up right in those dialog items
23:46.08A1winhey, any specific things I should look for when converting a pre-1.5 map to 1.5?
23:46.16IcebaneSo true, Maya <3
23:46.18AlmaityMake sure all your attacks work
23:46.22Vailrethlater folks
23:46.25Icebanelater
23:46.36AlmaityI think action actors were pretty much the only thing that could be screwed over severely
23:46.50AlmaityI myself haven't had any problems moving from 1.4 to 1.5, so yea...
23:47.43A1winsome of my burrowed units aren't showing their actors and I had to change some trigger actions... and I'm having some weird performance issues when running the map from editor (even after closing trigger debug window)
23:48.11A1winhaven't tried on bnet yet
23:48.18Almaitydisable the debug window before starting the map
23:48.24A1winah
23:48.37Almaitypre-1.5 the performance hit from the debugger was still there after closing it for me
23:48.45Almaitydid as good as no triggering post 1.5
23:48.50Almaityso dont know whether that changed
23:53.03IcebaneAnyone know if you can modify the debugger and kinda toggle on and off some features in it
23:53.15Icebanecause sometimes I just want to check trigger run-time errors
23:53.17Icebanenot the whole lot
23:53.24Icebane(forgot the question mark)
23:53.29Icebane?
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23:54.53IcebaneDeltarius, do you know if that has been something Blizz been thinking about implementing? Debugger settings that is.
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23:55.14Daarahow do you make a game on the open games list?
23:55.21Blizz-Deletariuswhat's this?
23:55.26Blizz-Deletarius(debugger settings)
23:55.57Icebaneoh you didnt see my previous post, imagine that you could toggle some setting on what the debugger should look for
23:56.08Icebaneso that it wouldn't eat the CPU more than needed
23:56.33Icebanecause let's say I just want to debug some specific triggers
23:56.59Icebanethen when I turn on the debugger, it completly devours my cp
23:57.01Icebanecpu*
23:57.27Blizz-Deletariushm
23:57.31Blizz-Deletariusare you on eu or us?
23:57.35IcebaneEU
23:58.09Blizz-Deletariushttp://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5116951946#1 - please post the suggestion here?
23:58.16IcebaneWill do!
23:58.30Blizz-Deletariusthanks :)
23:58.56A1win"USER: Custom death is being ignored on entry MyCustomUnitActor, because it is missing its death priority. To resolve this issue, add a DeathCustomPriorityList element for this death to the relevant CAactorGlobalConfig actor."  <- where do I find this relevant CActorGlobalConfig actor D:
23:59.57A1winI had already forgotten how fun actors can be

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