| 00:03.42 | Bibendus | omg |
| 00:03.45 | Bibendus | this thing is crazy |
| 00:03.47 | Bibendus | http://cheezburger.com/6510937856 |
| 00:04.15 | Exaken | wtf... |
| 00:04.28 | Bibendus | phone in microwave :D |
| 00:04.43 | Bibendus | I suppose |
| 00:06.04 | Ahli | more like well made video editing and modelling. this is more realistic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Gd4zARl_I |
| 00:08.55 | Bibendus | too well done :D |
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| 00:22.07 | Bibendus | did u already see this one guys? |
| 00:22.08 | Bibendus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af91ERUFpXM |
| 00:24.22 | ckSynergy | has anyone got Effect: Duration to work? |
| 00:24.52 | Ahli | in which effect? |
| 00:27.17 | Ahli | in apply behavior that should define the applied behavior's duration. but I didn't test it. If it doesn't work, you could just create a fitting behavior with the correct time. |
| 00:27.25 | Iiris | :( |
| 00:28.26 | Exaken | . |
| 00:28.33 | Kubi | LETS PARTY GUYZ |
| 00:28.43 | Kubi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnh81873HwA |
| 00:29.24 | Exaken | now it's needs to puke rainbow archons:D |
| 00:30.19 | ckSynergy | Im just wondering wth Effect: Use Duration is for |
| 00:30.47 | ckSynergy | I guess it makes sense if you dont want effects to stack or extend |
| 00:30.59 | ckSynergy | but it doesnt appear to work |
| 00:34.17 | Ahli | oh, use duration... no idea, never used. never thought about using. |
| 00:36.01 | Ahli | which effect is it? I can't find something fitting in the list |
| 00:36.34 | Kubi | It's now time for What weird shit kubi finds on the internet. |
| 00:36.56 | Kueken | if you are referring to apply behavior effects, I didn't get them to work. |
| 00:39.18 | Stewox | is it possible to have some kind of CMD system that detects parts of strings in chat aand convers them to int, reals, points, etc |
| 00:39.22 | Ahli | it might be interesting to have a list of things that do not work, yet. I know modular dialogs, item container's empty face picture, text tags disappearing in fog... |
| 00:48.38 | Repo | New asset: Sirocco Tileset - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/sirocco-tileset/ |
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| 00:56.45 | JademusSreg | pEW. |
| 01:00.31 | Iiris | :( |
| 01:09.32 | tordy | Stewox sure why not |
| 01:10.09 | Stewox | i think i heard of a big cmd system before but i'll see what i can do |
| 01:11.00 | Stewox | i can workaround by havingto require to pre-type and set variables manually before executing the command string, just takes more strings to type |
| 01:11.24 | Motive | JADEMUS |
| 01:11.25 | Motive | SREG |
| 01:11.26 | Motive | YOU |
| 01:11.27 | Stewox | but for this thing, performance and speed is key, don't want it to be like this |
| 01:11.28 | Motive | DIRTY |
| 01:11.29 | Motive | ...SREG |
| 01:14.38 | tordy | why what're you tryint o do |
| 01:15.24 | Stewox | stull like inputing variables |
| 01:15.35 | Stewox | say like /somevariable = 10 |
| 01:15.54 | Stewox | and i want the actual corresponding variable to change so a another script can use it |
| 01:16.09 | Motive | easy :P |
| 01:16.11 | Motive | Use data tables. |
| 01:16.22 | Stewox | never done that before |
| 01:16.35 | Motive | Look 'em up, good stuff |
| 01:16.37 | Motive | You'll want global = true |
| 01:16.46 | Stewox | no , per player |
| 01:16.55 | Motive | Right, so change the prefix |
| 01:16.57 | Motive | still global though. |
| 01:16.58 | Stewox | or player group (online 3v3) |
| 01:17.02 | Motive | p1_somevariable = 10 |
| 01:17.33 | Stewox | is there a tutorial ? |
| 01:17.49 | Motive | Not that I know of |
| 01:18.32 | Stewox | i don't get the extraction of more stuff from single chat |
| 01:18.50 | Motive | StringWord(string, int) |
| 01:18.53 | Motive | where string = source string |
| 01:18.56 | Stewox | now i just used a primitive approach to test a few things with event "if this is written do this action" |
| 01:18.57 | Motive | int = # of the word in the string |
| 01:18.58 | Motive | ie: |
| 01:19.07 | Motive | StringWord("this is a test", 2) == "is" |
| 01:20.08 | Stewox | so this is supported by editor |
| 01:20.21 | Stewox | great then |
| 01:20.34 | Stewox | but where do i find this StringWord |
| 01:20.51 | Stewox | in GUI |
| 01:24.16 | Kueken | well, output is a string, so probably when expecting a string value |
| 01:42.48 | Stewox | ok |
| 01:43.05 | Stewox | well taken notes so i'll continue later quite late here |
| 01:43.07 | Stewox | bye |
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| 01:54.45 | IskatuMesk | interns in my net |
| 01:54.46 | Khalint | blah |
| 01:54.58 | Khalint | so i tried asking earlier but my irc was messed up |
| 01:55.09 | Khalint | is there a way to get a jump effect through physics on a unit? |
| 01:55.18 | Khalint | or should i stick to changing units height? |
| 01:56.33 | Eiviyn_ | Rockers |
| 01:56.43 | Eiviyn_ | For convincing jumps |
| 01:56.50 | Khalint | would they simulate falling like off an edge though? |
| 01:57.03 | Khalint | like if you jump and hit an edge would the unit still pop down |
| 01:59.32 | IskatuMesk | so JademusSreg, v1 was the last version? |
| 02:00.37 | IskatuMesk | april 07 |
| 02:04.32 | IskatuMesk | sc2 needs to "stream" every time I press test map |
| 02:04.40 | IskatuMesk | forcing an extra 1-2 minutes wait |
| 02:04.54 | IskatuMesk | even though I made sure it was fully downloaded when I patched |
| 02:07.54 | IskatuMesk | what the, random galaxy errors when I try to save this map |
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| 02:09.32 | IskatuMesk | looks like your raven AI won't save now |
| 02:11.57 | IskatuMesk | well then. |
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| 02:15.47 | megabuster | hello |
| 02:16.06 | megabuster | can anyone help with a UI question |
| 02:21.04 | Khalint | what question |
| 02:21.36 | megabuster | how do you make a dialog show for observers but not players |
| 02:21.42 | Khalint | no idea :x |
| 02:21.58 | Khalint | if you could get them into a group you can show hide by group |
| 02:23.15 | megabuster | you can't get them as a group the |
| 02:23.18 | megabuster | though |
| 02:23.29 | megabuster | theres no way to detect observers |
| 02:25.41 | Khalint | observers have no units right? |
| 02:25.49 | Khalint | do your other players have units? |
| 02:26.10 | Khalint | you might be able to do a check like total units player controls or something |
| 02:29.51 | ckSynergy | hey Khalint |
| 02:29.59 | Khalint | ? |
| 02:30.13 | Khalint | whats up |
| 02:30.15 | ckSynergy | you Khalinil on the sc2 forums? |
| 02:30.22 | Khalint | nah Sneakervek |
| 02:30.26 | Khalint | old curse name |
| 02:30.43 | ckSynergy | thats your sc2 name? |
| 02:31.01 | Khalint | er wait on sc2 forums im khalint |
| 02:31.09 | Khalint | on mapster im sneakervek |
| 02:31.46 | ckSynergy | um ok |
| 02:32.12 | Khalint | lol at any rate no im not that person |
| 02:32.15 | ckSynergy | Was some guy debating with me on the sc2 boards called Khalanil. Thought you might be him. |
| 02:32.17 | ckSynergy | my bad :P |
| 02:33.19 | Khalint | there is nothing worse that migrating 250 custom skills from triggers to custom data |
| 02:33.44 | ckSynergy | OUCH |
| 02:33.47 | ckSynergy | I can relate lol |
| 02:34.08 | Khalint | i have 250 skills and like traits/talents numbering about the same i have to move over |
| 02:34.14 | Khalint | then theres the like 150 ish items |
| 02:34.33 | Khalint | thankfully the user data system will be easier to use |
| 02:35.09 | Khalint | my monster system will be easier too |
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| 02:47.24 | Kueken | megabuster: You can get observers by using the player group function, which returns the players, which were in a team in the lobby |
| 02:47.56 | Kueken | cycle all available teams, check all players, whoever is not in one of these groups has to be an observer |
| 02:48.34 | Kueken | also didn't 1.5 patchnotes say something about improved observer support? |
| 02:50.13 | megabuster | the patchnotes lie |
| 02:50.27 | megabuster | and I don't think the player groups thing works |
| 02:50.33 | megabuster | I tried that long ago |
| 03:00.13 | tordy | thanks |
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| 03:14.23 | Daara | it's Jademussreg! |
| 03:14.57 | Daara | or is it an imposter? |
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| 03:26.45 | Daara | ~seen Jademussreg |
| 03:26.49 | purl | jademussreg is currently on #sc2mapster (5h 42m 42s). Has said a total of 48 messages. Is idling for 2h 30m 4s, last said: 'pEW.'. |
| 03:26.57 | Daara | peW!~ |
| 03:27.03 | Daara | ~dance |
| 03:27.03 | purl | <(*.*<) <(*.*)> \(*.*)/ (>*.*)> |
| 03:27.07 | Daara | ~shrug |
| 03:27.07 | purl | go. to. sleep. |
| 03:27.13 | Daara | screw you purl |
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| 03:45.12 | ckSynergy | HOLY FRICK MAN |
| 03:45.38 | ckSynergy | I swear, wth is up with people these days? Why do they have to be retarded AND have a "better than thou" ego |
| 03:47.31 | IskatuMesk | because I released the interns |
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| 04:22.59 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg where are you honey |
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| 04:43.42 | tordy | baaaaaaaag |
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| 05:58.42 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 05:58.57 | JademusSreg | Hi thar Mesk. |
| 06:05.33 | IskatuMesk | hi |
| 06:05.51 | IskatuMesk | when I try to save with the raven AI it says failed to initialize variable |
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| 06:06.09 | JademusSreg | Hrm. |
| 06:06.12 | IskatuMesk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.42 | JademusSreg | Odd. |
| 06:07.53 | JademusSreg | Pastebin the script you've got and I'll look through it. |
| 06:08.26 | JademusSreg | Well, I may have an idea; if they changed the included scripts around, that might present problems. |
| 06:08.34 | IskatuMesk | http://pastebin.com/H7kRLUuJ |
| 06:08.40 | IskatuMesk | I think 1.5 changed something |
| 06:08.54 | JademusSreg | In which case, the relevant AI script file would need to be included. |
| 06:10.00 | JademusSreg | If you comment out that line, I bet it gives you the same error on the next line, yes? |
| 06:10.50 | IskatuMesk | line 53 |
| 06:11.52 | JademusSreg | I'm pretty sure this is an issue where AIEffectFixed can't be found either because they removed the function or the include structure has been changed. |
| 06:12.38 | IskatuMesk | our tits got tilted |
| 06:12.42 | JademusSreg | I dumped all my modding tools, so I'm not in a good position to check, either way. =D |
| 06:12.52 | IskatuMesk | figured as much |
| 06:13.06 | JademusSreg | Ask Mexa, when he gets on. |
| 06:13.36 | JademusSreg | Or more accurately, when he's done being afk. |
| 06:13.44 | IskatuMesk | with 3d exports still being impossible... probably not worth pursuing this |
| 06:13.54 | JademusSreg | He naps like a caffinated cat, so there's no telling exactly when that will be. |
| 06:13.58 | IskatuMesk | data editing and galaxy are too much for me to learn |
| 06:15.10 | JademusSreg | Browbeat some children into doing the tedious work. |
| 06:15.22 | IskatuMesk | hah, I already tried that |
| 06:15.26 | IskatuMesk | the editor snapped them in half |
| 06:15.31 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 06:16.12 | IskatuMesk | I guess I could try to do Retribution instead (not an sc2 project) |
| 06:16.23 | IskatuMesk | since the UDK won't be any easier for me to get into |
| 06:16.41 | IskatuMesk | hard for me to find something to focus on |
| 06:16.54 | JademusSreg | It's all pretty easy to learn, if you have the attention and time. Without those, though, fuck all. |
| 06:16.57 | IskatuMesk | was dead set on a campaign for 1/2 of 2012 and utterly no progress |
| 06:17.05 | IskatuMesk | I have all the time in the world |
| 06:17.12 | IskatuMesk | attention... that is much harder |
| 06:18.10 | JademusSreg | You finished the film, at least. |
| 06:18.17 | IskatuMesk | and it was bad |
| 06:18.33 | IskatuMesk | Retribution is a rebuild of that |
| 06:18.48 | IskatuMesk | I'd have to update the mod data and deal with XSI again though... ugh XSI |
| 06:18.55 | IskatuMesk | and modeling is really, really difficult |
| 06:19.09 | IskatuMesk | if it was all data and SFX and video-related stuff I could grind it out in a week, two tops |
| 06:19.23 | JademusSreg | Well, everyone in it seemed, for lack of a better word, brutal. Grimdark like WH40k. |
| 06:19.24 | IskatuMesk | models, because I have such a hard time making them, mean a year |
| 06:19.46 | IskatuMesk | a year, if I focus really hard |
| 06:19.48 | IskatuMesk | which I can't :( |
| 06:20.11 | IskatuMesk | you know how long it took for black sun to reach that stage? |
| 06:20.12 | IskatuMesk | 4 years. |
| 06:20.24 | IskatuMesk | disgusting. |
| 06:20.24 | JademusSreg | Is that the condition or meds for the condition which impair focus? |
| 06:20.33 | IskatuMesk | I'm immune to drugs |
| 06:21.04 | IskatuMesk | I don't really know why, but I have a hell of time focusing, learning, or improving existing skills |
| 06:21.15 | IskatuMesk | which is why my 3d skills have been at a dead standstill for a decade |
| 06:21.17 | JademusSreg | Dyslexia? |
| 06:21.26 | IskatuMesk | best I've got is high functioning autism |
| 06:21.31 | IskatuMesk | with traits of schizophrenia |
| 06:21.38 | IskatuMesk | that's the closest to a diagnosis I got before my doctor jumped ship |
| 06:21.57 | JademusSreg | Ah, well, when a ship is burning, it's difficult not to jump it. |
| 06:22.22 | IskatuMesk | the smart thing to do would be to focus on the UDK one part at a time - level building and modeling is the most important because I can translate that to remastering ripped assets and building character armor/weapons |
| 06:22.39 | IskatuMesk | then, implementing those characters would introduce me to the rudimentary basic structure of uscript |
| 06:23.16 | IskatuMesk | http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7922/ggfgfdgd.jpg |
| 06:23.33 | JademusSreg | Adorable. |
| 06:23.48 | IskatuMesk | the other option is to try to use the UDK to create retribution |
| 06:24.09 | IskatuMesk | but the cinematics is probably all script driven, and I've no idea how I would handle the 100+ turrets for hundreds of ships |
| 06:24.40 | JademusSreg | Not by scripting for each one individually, I'd expect. |
| 06:25.18 | IskatuMesk | though I would kill to see some of these things in a real game with a real lighting engine |
| 06:25.44 | JademusSreg | CryEngine is available, as well, iirc. |
| 06:25.51 | IskatuMesk | http://i.imgur.com/ier8e.jpg |
| 06:25.57 | IskatuMesk | and the no polygon limit would be wonderful too |
| 06:26.10 | IskatuMesk | hell, performance is a total non-issue for a cinematic in the UDK because you dump frames |
| 06:27.02 | IskatuMesk | I dunno, I've been fucking around for like 3 years without any direction now |
| 06:27.23 | JademusSreg | Seems like you could benefit from mingling with the people at polycount. |
| 06:27.57 | IskatuMesk | one thing that campaign did do is give me the opportunity to practice voice acting |
| 06:28.01 | IskatuMesk | I voiced a *ton* of dialogue for it |
| 06:28.13 | IskatuMesk | I should compile a demo |
| 06:28.20 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 06:28.46 | JademusSreg | Also, you're in Diablo 3. So there's that. Woo. |
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| 06:29.48 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 06:29.49 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 06:30.10 | JademusSreg | I get a warm sensation in my chest cavity when I battle Iskatu. Not just a random mob, but a main quest miniboss. |
| 06:30.37 | JademusSreg | And I will admit to getting killed once on Hell by the massive number of shadow minions. |
| 06:30.38 | IskatuMesk | people were farming me for exp |
| 06:30.51 | IskatuMesk | amused me to think of that |
| 06:31.17 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 06:32.55 | JademusSreg | Anyway, UDK sounds like a fine direction. Especially considering it's expense free unless you use it commercially, and then only after a specific amount of profit is made. |
| 06:33.46 | JademusSreg | Which, in your case, is not an issue. |
| 06:34.04 | IskatuMesk | pretty much |
| 06:35.34 | IskatuMesk | it's a matter of overcoming lethargy to just start throwing stuff into it |
| 06:35.45 | IskatuMesk | how much have you worked with it? |
| 06:36.03 | JademusSreg | (UDK should be used to make educational games. For example, Alphabet Rampage: Shoot letters at the corresponding letter-shaped enemies and watch them explode into funjuice! =D ) |
| 06:36.29 | IskatuMesk | it is used for architecture a lot actually |
| 06:36.55 | JademusSreg | I tinkered with the defaults and looked over the demo levels before I began looking at Java. |
| 06:37.31 | IskatuMesk | I can bring in lineage 2 models straight from the game with animations and everything |
| 06:37.48 | IskatuMesk | though I would want to create normals |
| 06:37.50 | IskatuMesk | that would be harder |
| 06:37.54 | IskatuMesk | but not impossible |
| 06:37.57 | IskatuMesk | (like that puppy) |
| 06:38.26 | IskatuMesk | I am confident that if I had a baseline game I could expand it fairly reasonably, because I have already experimented with modeling gear for these things |
| 06:38.33 | IskatuMesk | it's just base characters I cannot possibly create |
| 06:38.40 | IskatuMesk | but I have a shitton of resources I can use |
| 06:39.33 | JademusSreg | I haven't seen Lineage 2 in... almost a decade. Damn, we're getting old. |
| 06:39.41 | IskatuMesk | and its graphics are still really good |
| 06:39.50 | IskatuMesk | especially compared to blizzard games |
| 06:40.09 | JademusSreg | Anyway, yes. It's a question of what's closest to what you want to do and what's workable. |
| 06:40.42 | IskatuMesk | the game project I wanted to make is basically like god of war but with a more open world |
| 06:40.43 | JademusSreg | Black Sun and such was all over space, and if ya wanted something like that, there are perfectly moddable space-based games. |
| 06:40.47 | IskatuMesk | better AI, large battles, etc. |
| 06:40.54 | IskatuMesk | none of them are really any good |
| 06:41.24 | IskatuMesk | sins of a solar empire needs you to go through XSI... and XSI is... awful... and stardock's converter is even worse |
| 06:41.36 | IskatuMesk | it's doable, just the modeling is very difficult |
| 06:42.13 | IskatuMesk | I told myself that if I could model every ship ahead of time I could do Retribution |
| 06:42.18 | IskatuMesk | I tried to model them but got nowhere in a hurry |
| 06:42.23 | JademusSreg | As I recall, they have a pretty small company. Maybe they could be persuaded to release some useful tools. |
| 06:42.34 | IskatuMesk | they have an insatiable love for hardcode |
| 06:42.38 | IskatuMesk | and it's their tools that are terrible :D |
| 06:42.42 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 06:43.10 | IskatuMesk | the things I could do to improve salvation are outside the game though |
| 06:43.18 | IskatuMesk | having ways to represent the characters, better composition, etc. |
| 06:43.28 | IskatuMesk | the biggest challenge is just the models and then rebuilding the mod data |
| 06:44.59 | JademusSreg | Maybe a better way to frame the problem is work relative to results. |
| 06:45.18 | IskatuMesk | I tried to do that with salvation and it resulted in terribly staggered production |
| 06:46.00 | IskatuMesk | I ran a series of tests to represent characters using some very basic blending, because I am artistically inept |
| 06:46.25 | IskatuMesk | http://i.imgur.com/fur0w.jpg |
| 06:46.36 | IskatuMesk | I think they would work |
| 06:46.46 | IskatuMesk | but then that hard drive crashed and I lost *all* of the stock video stuff I used to make that |
| 06:48.17 | JademusSreg | I mean, SC2 modding gives you the engine, lots of assets, tools, and pretty much same with UDK. But where you may find yourself fighting the limitations of SC2, you're responsible for those extensions in UDK. So you'll be forced to do less work if the engine you're working in complements your objective. |
| 06:49.20 | JademusSreg | It's head is the Quake logo. |
| 06:49.26 | JademusSreg | *Its |
| 06:50.48 | IskatuMesk | sc2 modding doesn't give me much besides the framework for an RTS campaign while not actually supporting a campaign, and actually fighting campaign designs in many respects (blizzard-only triggers lol) |
| 06:51.00 | IskatuMesk | and makes adding new assets very painful if not impossible |
| 06:51.09 | IskatuMesk | the UDK is an open book but requires programming to do anything with |
| 06:51.24 | IskatuMesk | I can throw in assets all day but never have anything that does anything |
| 06:52.39 | IskatuMesk | and since what I want to do with the UDK is not a shooter, but in fact one of the most complicated and difficult genres to do properly, I'd basically need to be a programming master to make even a simple playable proof of concept |
| 06:52.43 | JademusSreg | One of the benefits of programming in the age of the internet is the ability to easily share code. So I expect there would always be some code or someone out there that could be of assistance. |
| 06:53.26 | IskatuMesk | I have one advantage in that I believe the code for dungeon defenders that was made open source could be simply ported over and adapted |
| 06:53.34 | JademusSreg | But yeah, at a certain point you would, of course, need to learn. |
| 06:53.34 | IskatuMesk | but to even do that I need to know what I am looking at and how to work with it |
| 06:54.55 | Kubi | WGATS UP MY BROTHERS FROM ANOTHER MOTHER |
| 06:55.03 | IskatuMesk | it's funny how the skills I have that are super strong are all entirely useless |
| 06:55.26 | JademusSreg | Virtuouso pencil sharpener? |
| 06:55.39 | IskatuMesk | writing, design, voice acting, audio engineering, all this shit doesn't matter |
| 06:55.44 | IskatuMesk | which is why companies just ignore them |
| 06:56.01 | Kubi | I need certs but I know PHP/CSS/MySQL/jquery |
| 06:56.06 | JademusSreg | A bit hyperbolic there. |
| 06:56.36 | Kubi | However I have 5 years experience in the military for preventative maintanence and fault localization |
| 06:57.44 | JademusSreg | Kubi must be European; programmers/software engineers in Europe require certification, lest they break the law. =D |
| 06:58.52 | Kubi | No. |
| 06:58.53 | Kubi | I am american |
| 06:59.09 | Kubi | I just dont have pieces of paper saying how awesome I am in those categories. |
| 07:00.03 | JademusSreg | Using a french web-based IRC server? Weird. |
| 07:00.04 | Kubi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnh81873HwA&feature=plcp |
| 07:00.20 | Kubi | I am lol |
| 07:00.22 | Kubi | It's random |
| 07:00.29 | Kubi | I live near Seattle. |
| 07:00.32 | IskatuMesk | the french inquisition is on to you |
| 07:00.33 | Kubi | I hate this liberal state though. |
| 07:00.53 | Kubi | It also happens to house Microsoft, Amazon, yahoo, google etc |
| 07:01.03 | Kubi | The women in Washington are very stuck up. |
| 07:01.03 | Kubi | >_> |
| 07:01.05 | IskatuMesk | surrounded by a sea of interns |
| 07:01.28 | Kubi | RAINBOW NYDUS WORMS |
| 07:01.41 | JademusSreg | Anyway, got shit to do. Let me know if you need anything with which I may assist, Mesk. |
| 07:01.57 | IskatuMesk | I need love |
| 07:02.01 | IskatuMesk | and coffee |
| 07:02.04 | JademusSreg | Sorry, all out of that. |
| 07:02.07 | IskatuMesk | balls |
| 07:02.10 | Kubi | What about me Jade |
| 07:02.12 | Kubi | F you. |
| 07:02.14 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 07:02.14 | JademusSreg | Well, I have coffee. |
| 07:02.15 | Kubi | Dont want to help ME? |
| 07:02.16 | Kubi | ME!? |
| 07:02.30 | Kubi | What else can I make a rainbow out of? |
| 07:02.30 | JademusSreg | You don't need help; you seem competent. |
| 07:02.32 | IskatuMesk | I'm off too, going to try to consider what to try to devote to |
| 07:02.43 | IskatuMesk | smell you later alig8r |
| 07:02.50 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 07:03.07 | Kubi | Am I? |
| 07:03.32 | Kubi | You know whats funny, out all the maping in SC1,WC2,WC3 I've only realized one map? |
| 07:03.41 | Kubi | It was not-really-but-kinda popular |
| 07:04.40 | Kubi | http://www.epicwar.com/maps/7844/ <--- My idea, someone just made a new one. |
| 07:04.48 | Kubi | I'm in the credits. :P |
| 07:04.53 | Kubi | Or my old name was. |
| 07:05.28 | Kubi | Thinking about remaking in Starcraft II |
| 07:05.29 | Kubi | >_> |
| 07:06.42 | Kubi | What ever happen to RPG maps? You know NOT Open RPG with save/load trying to create an MMORPG. But like a true RPG with items and levels no saving but a story? |
| 07:07.18 | JademusSreg | (I made the Custom Race System and assisted with Power of Corruption in WC3, made Photon Cycles in SC2. That's the extent of my modding, besides helping people out and making demos and shit. (Parenthetical content means I'm still away. Except this one.) ) |
| 07:07.42 | Kubi | I hate having ADHD |
| 07:07.56 | Kubi | I get like halfway done with a map and a new shiny comes up. |
| 07:08.26 | Kubi | After this map, I am going to create a more robust Frenzy Arena. |
| 07:08.37 | Kubi | Since I don't really like how the balancing of Zealot Frenzy turned out at all. |
| 07:08.45 | Kubi | Went really south after these recent patches. |
| 07:09.06 | Kubi | Plus the unit count really messes with the game |
| 07:09.12 | Kubi | if you over power someone in units early game |
| 07:09.13 | Kubi | you win |
| 07:09.26 | Kubi | Or just plain base sniping |
| 07:09.47 | Kubi | Let me check out Risk Legacy. |
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| 08:51.28 | Hobrow | o/ |
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| 09:29.12 | Totservis | captcha will never stop rock |
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| 11:09.41 | Icebane | Blizz-Deltarius Do you know if Blizzard ever will implement a function for dialogs that will scale them accordingly to every players aspect ratio? |
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| 11:15.12 | Totservis | 52 minutes of Krash Tower Wars |
| 11:15.20 | Totservis | >_< |
| 11:15.34 | Totservis | worse than DotA xD |
| 11:16.11 | Totservis | or similar - dunno, i played DotA long time ago :) |
| 11:16.44 | Icebane | Tower Wars are always awesome! :D |
| 11:16.52 | Krash | lol |
| 11:17.08 | Icebane | I will play any map with "Tower" in it's name. Really. |
| 11:17.15 | Icebane | xD |
| 11:18.01 | Totservis | that's why i will rename "Robostrike" to "Robostrike Tower" if i complete it :D |
| 11:18.53 | Totservis | Chess Tower, Photon Tower, Scrap Station Tower... huge horizon :D |
| 11:19.21 | Icebane | Lol no, name it Tower Tower |
| 11:19.28 | Icebane | Double the audience. |
| 11:19.30 | Icebane | xD |
| 11:19.39 | Krash | Towers of Doom, i would play that |
| 11:19.50 | Icebane | Tower Attack! Attack of the Towers! |
| 11:19.51 | Totservis | Towers of Towers! |
| 11:19.53 | Icebane | Towers from Mars! |
| 11:20.07 | Krash | Towermania |
| 11:20.20 | Totservis | Life in a tower |
| 11:21.08 | Totservis | Tower murderer - some players live in several-levelled tower and find out who is the murderer :D |
| 11:21.57 | Totservis | Towercraft. |
| 11:22.23 | Totservis | Towers produce towers and battle each other on a towered terrain |
| 11:22.35 | Krash | Tower Man - a jump and run where you play a tower |
| 11:22.41 | Krash | just because |
| 11:23.10 | Totservis | Resident Tower! Fear the tower! |
| 11:23.32 | Krash | with zombie towers and all |
| 11:23.50 | Totservis | Need for tower! |
| 11:24.05 | Krash | Tower Racing with towers on wheels |
| 11:24.10 | Totservis | And many addons: Hot tower, Undertower etc. |
| 11:39.26 | Icebane | I've always wanted to do a map with reverse roles, that you are the creeps running past the towers, but I just can't figure how to make it fun xD |
| 11:39.49 | TheSkunk__ | haha |
| 11:39.54 | TheSkunk__ | good idea.. might work |
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| 12:12.09 | Totservis | is it me or triggered actions work slower than scripted? >_< |
| 12:21.10 | Bibendus | what? |
| 12:36.08 | Krash | Does anybody have an idea why on my map 90% of the time crashes with a "Desync" after map initialization? This only happens on NA, and only when it's full (4/4 players). Map was created in EU client. I am desperate |
| 12:50.14 | Icebane | Krash, the only way to figure this out probably is by disable 50% of the mapInit code and test. If it still desyncs, disable additionally 25%, test again, if it still desyncs, disable 12,% etc etc |
| 12:50.23 | Icebane | That way you WILL find the code causing the desync. |
| 13:09.19 | Krash | okay thank you Icebane |
| 13:09.32 | Krash | but i dont understand why it only Desyncs on NA. on EU it never happens |
| 13:10.06 | Icebane | Neither do I, but when you find the code maybe you can make a post about it |
| 13:10.13 | Icebane | on the forums |
| 13:10.31 | Krash | kk |
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| 13:22.04 | Bibendus | are the blizzbrothers back? :P |
| 13:22.23 | Bibendus | Blizz-Artestru_ Blizz-Deletarius? |
| 13:22.42 | Bibendus | maybe it's a bit early in california |
| 13:22.44 | TheSkunk__ | nah I think they aren't here yet |
| 13:22.46 | TheSkunk__ | yeah |
| 13:22.57 | Bibendus | 6 AM |
| 13:22.58 | Bibendus | yes :P |
| 13:23.54 | Bibendus | shit I hate dialogs attached to units |
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| 13:38.32 | Icebane | Krash did you find it? |
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| 13:39.21 | Krash | i didnt check yet. will need to have 3 other players on NA available to test it too so i cant just test it like that |
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| 14:27.42 | helral_mobile | meows |
| 14:29.12 | helral_mobile | Where is everyone hiding? |
| 14:30.50 | helral_mobile | must resist tempt...... |
| 14:31.06 | helral_mobile | pokes Sixen |
| 14:31.36 | helral_mobile | damn I failed resisting that temptation. |
| 14:32.32 | Totservis | O_O |
| 14:32.55 | Totservis | i just watched mists of Pandaria trailer |
| 14:32.56 | helral_mobile | ;p |
| 14:32.57 | Totservis | O_O |
| 14:33.55 | helral_mobile | is a bored kitten |
| 14:34.46 | TheSkunk__ | Anyone now how to make the Timed Life bar visible to everyone, not just the player who owns the unit with timed life? |
| 14:35.41 | TheAlmaity | its somewhere in the behavior |
| 14:35.47 | TheAlmaity | I think display duration or soemthing like that |
| 14:35.52 | TheAlmaity | down in the UI section of the fields |
| 14:36.19 | TheAlmaity | "UI - Display Countdown" |
| 14:37.15 | TheSkunk__ | alright lemme check |
| 14:37.25 | helral_mobile | Does that allow other players to see the countdown? |
| 14:39.00 | TheSkunk__ | 07helral_mobile01, there are checkboxes there for enemey ally self neutral |
| 14:39.09 | TheSkunk__ | so presumably if I check enemy yes, it will allow other players |
| 14:39.12 | TheSkunk__ | Thanks Almaity! |
| 14:39.30 | helral_mobile | Just wondering ;) |
| 14:40.02 | TheSkunk__ | heh, well I wasn't sure either, but I went and checked |
| 14:40.02 | helral_mobile | thought it was a yes/no checkbox. |
| 14:40.52 | TheSkunk__ | yea |
| 14:41.37 | helral_mobile | meow |
| 14:45.50 | Ashamed | ahh |
| 14:48.43 | helral_mobile | Meow? |
| 14:49.29 | Hobrow | hlral_mobile MEOW |
| 14:49.40 | helral_mobile | meowww |
| 14:56.16 | TheSkunk__ | Another one, any idea how I'd make the text for picking up minerals appear only to the player that picks them up? |
| 14:56.34 | TheSkunk__ | As it currently is I believe enemy players can see it through the fog of war.. |
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| 14:56.43 | TheSkunk__ | so at the very least, make it not visible through that |
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| 15:05.42 | Hobrow | TheSkunk_ |
| 15:05.52 | Hobrow | that can be changed in the actor |
| 15:05.54 | TheSkunk__ | yes? |
| 15:05.56 | TheSkunk__ | How? |
| 15:05.57 | TheSkunk__ | :P |
| 15:06.06 | TheSkunk__ | the filter thing? |
| 15:06.21 | Hobrow | go to its FloatingTextActor |
| 15:06.38 | Hobrow | and set Fog visibility to hidden |
| 15:06.54 | Hobrow | by default it's set to snapshot |
| 15:07.15 | TheSkunk__ | k thanks |
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| 15:12.18 | Hobrow | np |
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| 15:19.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | morning |
| 15:19.22 | TheAlmaity | Morning |
| 15:22.26 | Blizz-Deletarius | wait, so, MoP trailer is out? |
| 15:23.19 | TheAlmaity | Sounds a bit funny coming from a blizz employee :p To answer your question: No idea |
| 15:24.00 | TheAlmaity | looks like it |
| 15:24.00 | TheAlmaity | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvYXoyxLv64 |
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| 15:31.24 | Stewox | mop? |
| 15:31.35 | Stewox | oh |
| 15:31.37 | Stewox | .. |
| 15:31.53 | helral_mobile | :P |
| 15:32.47 | helral_mobile | pokes Sixen |
| 15:34.11 | helral_mobile | Maybe I should use a trout... |
| 15:34.25 | TheSkunk__ | Morning Deletarius |
| 15:34.52 | TheSkunk__ | Yeah, MOP trailer was due to come out at gamescom, first day that isn't non-press I guess -- so indeed it is |
| 15:35.07 | helral_mobile | Good evening all :) |
| 15:35.50 | helral_mobile | guess where I am at ;p |
| 15:36.09 | TheAlmaity | gamescom? |
| 15:36.10 | Bibendus | hallo Blizz-Deletarius ;) |
| 15:36.13 | helral_mobile | Wrong, I'm at home.... |
| 15:36.16 | TheAlmaity | If yes, say hi to Moz for me if ya see him |
| 15:36.20 | TheAlmaity | :p |
| 15:36.24 | Bibendus | and Blizz-Artestru_ if he's not afk :P |
| 15:37.01 | Blizz-Deletarius | gotcha |
| 15:37.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | ya, gamescom |
| 15:37.06 | helral_mobile | Lol is moz there? Hmm maybe I should drive there. |
| 15:37.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | "europe's E3" |
| 15:37.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | GDC Europe also takes place at the same time |
| 15:37.33 | Blizz-Deletarius | same place I think? |
| 15:38.04 | helral_mobile | Deletarius: do you know about UI stuff? |
| 15:38.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | TheAlmaity - I knew it was going to be revealed at Gamescom, I just didn't know what date/time |
| 15:39.01 | Bibendus | OH GOD xD |
| 15:39.05 | Bibendus | that trailer |
| 15:39.06 | Bibendus | ROFL |
| 15:39.20 | helral_mobile | Link? |
| 15:39.22 | Bibendus | this can't be taken seriously |
| 15:39.22 | Bibendus | ROFL |
| 15:39.31 | TheSkunk__ | 02http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/6968160/Mists_of_Pandaria_Opening_Cinematic_Revealed-8_16_201201 |
| 15:40.00 | helral_mobile | Connecting..... |
| 15:40.04 | TheSkunk__ | rrr I really wish this thread hadn't been necroed: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4217174274?page=4#75 |
| 15:40.17 | Bibendus | hallo kung fu panda :D |
| 15:40.35 | TheSkunk__ | its 5 months old and was a flamefest to begin with.. just let it die, people D: |
| 15:41.22 | Bibendus | these fucking trailers are always better and better |
| 15:42.17 | Bibendus | tha expressions of the human and the orc when they see the pandarian |
| 15:42.20 | Bibendus | LOL |
| 15:45.57 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Morning |
| 15:46.17 | TheSkunk__ | Morning Art :D |
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| 15:48.06 | Helral | got to say that is a funny intro. |
| 15:48.26 | Helral | but the question is: "Why did the human give the orc the spear?" |
| 15:51.46 | Helral | it is o so quiet, so quiet so ...... |
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| 15:52.20 | Kueken | hey |
| 15:53.05 | Kueken | idling in a hotline is fun -.- |
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| 15:54.06 | Helral | "Could you put me back on hold, I liked the tune" |
| 15:55.25 | Kubi | Anddddddd I'm back |
| 15:55.48 | Helral | watches everyone run away |
| 15:56.54 | Kueken | *meowing |
| 15:57.36 | TheAlmaity | Morning Art |
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| 15:59.18 | zenx1 | Blizz-Artestru_: Just wanted to say please do something about the text editor in triggers. It has practically very limited functions compared to strings, but is slow as fuck...(kinda late now to use purely strings, since I got too many text things...) |
| 15:59.36 | Stewox | Diablo 3 on Wii U anyone ? |
| 16:00.01 | Stewox | chance % |
| 16:00.48 | Kubi | rolls 58. |
| 16:01.00 | Kubi | OHHH |
| 16:01.03 | Kubi | MOP OPENING CINEMATIC |
| 16:01.14 | Stewox | cinematic is epic as always |
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| 16:02.23 | Stewox | here's some uncovered hype material for big N if anyones interested, they've taken it totally seriously this time making sure people arent confused by having large banners with Tech Specs ...etc |
| 16:02.25 | Stewox | http://www.gonintendo.com/content/uploads/images/2012_8/wiiu4.jpg |
| 16:02.36 | Stewox | http://www.gonintendo.com/content/uploads/images/2012_8/wiiu.jpg |
| 16:03.12 | Bibendus | sbrofl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTLp14MKDDU |
| 16:04.49 | Bibendus | retarded batman |
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| 16:08.30 | TheAlmaity | xD my bro has the most hilarious bug on my MoP beta |
| 16:08.38 | TheAlmaity | if he sees someone from behind, they are naked |
| 16:08.41 | Helral | hmmmm? |
| 16:08.46 | Helral | :) |
| 16:08.53 | TheAlmaity | ill make him get a few screenis, brb |
| 16:10.27 | Bibendus | lol |
| 16:10.32 | Bibendus | naked panda yummm |
| 16:10.33 | Bibendus | furry |
| 16:14.49 | zenx1 | are these blizz guys actually helping us or anything? |
| 16:14.51 | zenx1 | just idling? |
| 16:15.00 | Bibendus | yes why |
| 16:15.07 | TheAlmaity | If we have questions and the appropriate goat sacrifices, yes |
| 16:15.14 | Bibendus | lol |
| 16:15.20 | zenx1 | just wondering if its even any use to shout anything to them |
| 16:15.31 | Bibendus | if they are easy questions |
| 16:15.33 | Bibendus | you can use the forums |
| 16:15.36 | Bibendus | dont' bother them :P |
| 16:15.49 | Bibendus | if it's something still unexplored |
| 16:15.53 | Bibendus | like new 1.5 features |
| 16:15.56 | zenx1 | lol I tried asking stuff previously and all hard questions got dodged :D |
| 16:15.57 | Helral | you might get lucky. answer to my question was: " I don't know I'll have to ask someone else" |
| 16:16.08 | Bibendus | the question was about? |
| 16:16.16 | Helral | UI ;p |
| 16:16.18 | Helral | what else |
| 16:16.30 | Bibendus | askin to zenx1 |
| 16:16.36 | zenx1 | dont remember |
| 16:16.37 | TheAlmaity | http://i.imgur.com/qlbPN.jpg _ http://i.imgur.com/uQbYD.jpg _ http://i.imgur.com/qySW3.jpg _ and this one is somwaht NSFW (No cape) http://i.imgur.com/Aorbx.jpg _ |
| 16:16.44 | Bibendus | lol |
| 16:16.57 | Bibendus | btw consider |
| 16:17.05 | Bibendus | they don't know everything about the editor |
| 16:17.11 | Blizz-Artestru_ | We're only here during normal working hours (Pacific Time) and answering questions when we have time. We're the actual devs that work on the editor, so we have a lot on our plate, but we hope to help as much as we can. I usually idle overnight so that I can see if there were any important questions or discussions while I was away. |
| 16:17.16 | zenx1 | but they didnt even answer lol |
| 16:17.22 | Bibendus | uh hallo artes |
| 16:17.23 | Bibendus | :P |
| 16:17.27 | Blizz-Artestru_ | :) |
| 16:17.46 | zenx1 | I hope you pass on my feeback on someone will fix it |
| 16:17.49 | zenx1 | that text editor!!! |
| 16:17.52 | Bibendus | so you guys |
| 16:17.57 | Bibendus | are working on the editor software |
| 16:17.58 | zenx1 | takes 10 seconds to load |
| 16:17.59 | zenx1 | in triggers |
| 16:18.00 | Bibendus | not on actual mapping |
| 16:18.01 | Bibendus | right? |
| 16:18.04 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Also, yeah, the editor and underlying game systems are big, so we can't always answer everything. Also, I don't want to ever give a wrong answer, so I won't guess. :) |
| 16:18.08 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Correct |
| 16:18.28 | *** part/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Sixen@173-25-23-124.client.mchsi.com) |
| 16:18.32 | Bibendus | so you pratically never created a map ever :P |
| 16:18.34 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Of course, we do mapping both in our spare time and as a part of our job while working on the editor, but the final maps you play are made by others. |
| 16:18.35 | TheAlmaity | Hey, there was one thing I was wondering. In effect targets, what does "Outer" mean |
| 16:18.41 | Bibendus | oh k :P |
| 16:18.57 | Bibendus | that it's.. out? |
| 16:19.19 | TheAlmaity | my point exactly. Caster, Target and Source are easy to guess, but no idea where to even start with Outer |
| 16:19.36 | Blizz-Artestru_ | That's a good example of something I don't want to guess on and have to defer to someone who works more closely with that system. :) |
| 16:19.46 | Bibendus | lol :D |
| 16:19.56 | TheAlmaity | lol |
| 16:20.05 | Bibendus | on withc part of the editor you and deletarius are focused on? |
| 16:20.15 | TheAlmaity | artestru is cinematic I think |
| 16:20.16 | Blizz-Artestru_ | My focus is generally on art-related tasks in the editor. |
| 16:20.27 | Bibendus | so the cin editor |
| 16:20.28 | TheAlmaity | and Deletarius is working on "The Editor" |
| 16:20.29 | Blizz-Artestru_ | I was the primary developer on the cutscene system. |
| 16:20.30 | Bibendus | and... terrain? |
| 16:20.39 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Terrain to an extent. Lighting. |
| 16:20.40 | zenx1 | But the real question is can you pleaaase make the "text editor in triggers" faster.... |
| 16:20.41 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Water |
| 16:20.48 | zenx1 | is there even any hope it would get faster someday |
| 16:20.51 | TheAlmaity | new water looks neat btw |
| 16:20.57 | Bibendus | work with the ui |
| 16:20.58 | Bibendus | it's faster :p |
| 16:21.00 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Zenx1: I'll pass that on to the trigger developer. :) |
| 16:21.01 | TheAlmaity | I still have to see how the physics work, never made a unit walk through it |
| 16:21.04 | zenx1 | good |
| 16:21.27 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Also, Bibendus, thanks for that report on the slowness yesterday. It helped us pinpoint a problem we'd been trying to hunt down. |
| 16:21.30 | *** join/#sc2mapster Kueken (~Kueken@g225214055.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:21.33 | Bibendus | yeee |
| 16:21.35 | Bibendus | I'm useful :P |
| 16:21.38 | Blizz-Artestru_ | :) |
| 16:21.41 | zenx1 | its god damn awful to try making dialogs on my RPG since the text editor is so slow :/ |
| 16:21.42 | TheAlmaity | also, the default values for most of the water types have some insane specularity, you might want to change that |
| 16:21.45 | Bibendus | so were you able to riproduce the bug |
| 16:21.48 | Bibendus | on that trigger? |
| 16:21.50 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Yup |
| 16:21.57 | Bibendus | and what's the reason? |
| 16:22.00 | Bibendus | too many commented triggers? |
| 16:22.07 | Bibendus | same variable assegnation? |
| 16:22.18 | Bibendus | because it must be some particular action that makes it lag |
| 16:22.48 | Kueken | its just TOO FUCKING HUGE! |
| 16:23.01 | Bibendus | lol |
| 16:23.02 | Blizz-Artestru_ | I can't get into the nitty gritty on it, but it was a bug. |
| 16:23.04 | Bibendus | 100 rows |
| 16:23.16 | Bibendus | i'll keep the trigger as it is |
| 16:23.19 | Hobrow | was? so its fixed already? |
| 16:23.24 | Bibendus | so I can check with the next patch if it's fixed :P |
| 16:23.39 | Blizz-Artestru_ | I don't know what the release schedule is for it. |
| 16:23.40 | Kueken | it will be fixed with LotV :) |
| 16:23.48 | Hobrow | ;) |
| 16:24.11 | Bibendus | but |
| 16:24.50 | Bibendus | is this bug related to other slowness problems of the editor? |
| 16:24.56 | Bibendus | or just the particular case of that trigger |
| 16:25.37 | *** join/#sc2mapster Helral (Helral.EU@541FA09C.cm-5-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 16:25.38 | Blizz-Artestru_ | I don't know. I'm not the engineer who works on that, so I don't know all the details. |
| 16:25.55 | Blizz-Artestru_ | I'll try to find out if there's a workaround, though, so you can work better while you wait for the fix. |
| 16:26.11 | Bibendus | until it's related to that single trigger I'm ok |
| 16:26.26 | Bibendus | if the problem expands to everything that may become a problem ;) |
| 16:26.51 | Bibendus | btw where did deletarius go |
| 16:26.57 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Must be busy. |
| 16:26.59 | Bibendus | he timed out |
| 16:27.17 | Kueken | someone hacked him, happens |
| 16:27.21 | Bibendus | I suppose he's the guy focused more on UI then you, right? |
| 16:27.50 | Bibendus | because I have 2 UI questions |
| 16:27.50 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Yeah, he's much more focused on UI |
| 16:28.01 | Bibendus | 1 related to a 1.5 feature |
| 16:28.07 | Kueken | btw, on the first few days, you were 3 people from Blizzard in the channel, right? |
| 16:28.09 | Bibendus | the click on minimap trigger event |
| 16:28.12 | Bibendus | are you aware of this? |
| 16:28.23 | Bibendus | the other is dead, don't bother |
| 16:28.23 | Bibendus | :D |
| 16:28.29 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Kueken, I don't follow your question. |
| 16:28.42 | Bibendus | I think he's saying you were 3 on this irc channel |
| 16:28.44 | Bibendus | the first time |
| 16:28.52 | Kueken | well, for the last few days, I only see you and deletarius around |
| 16:28.53 | Bibendus | and didn't join anymore |
| 16:28.57 | Blizz-Artestru_ | I saw a report about an issue with the click on minimap trigger, but I don't remember the details. |
| 16:28.57 | Kueken | but there was a 3rd one |
| 16:29.11 | Hobrow | cloaken? |
| 16:29.16 | Kueken | just wondered where he went, and if he comes back :) |
| 16:29.20 | Bibendus | well it seems a feature |
| 16:29.28 | Bibendus | that came with 1.5 |
| 16:29.39 | Blizz-Artestru_ | It wasn't Cloaken... I actually forget his handle offhand, but I know who you're talking about. |
| 16:30.05 | Bibendus | pratically when you click on the minimap |
| 16:30.11 | Kueken | yes, minimap clicks now register as mouse click events on the world |
| 16:30.14 | Kueken | instead of ui |
| 16:30.18 | Bibendus | the event "world mouse click" is fired! |
| 16:30.26 | Blizz-Artestru_ | We come and go as we're able. I'm trying to be as social as I can. |
| 16:30.48 | Hobrow | perhaps he wasnt awsome enough to stay on irc :D |
| 16:30.53 | Bibendus | lol |
| 16:31.14 | Kueken | we need a 3rd type of click event, called "click on minimap" |
| 16:31.33 | Bibendus | btw artes |
| 16:31.36 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Right, I remember seeing this report. |
| 16:31.37 | Kueken | which should be able to retrieve the point in the UI |
| 16:31.38 | Bibendus | is that thing a "feature" |
| 16:31.39 | Bibendus | or a bug |
| 16:31.46 | Kueken | and the point in the world it represents |
| 16:31.50 | Bibendus | because it can't be turned off |
| 16:31.58 | Bibendus | I had to disable all mouse clicks on the minimap :| |
| 16:32.04 | Bibendus | and that's not a good thing :D |
| 16:32.20 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Sometime later (maybe today?) a post will go up detailing a proper way to write a bug report. When that goes up, follow that guideline and report it again on the forums and it will definitely get captured that way. |
| 16:32.28 | Bibendus | however It may be used as a feature by some other modders |
| 16:32.33 | Kueken | is it a bug? |
| 16:32.36 | Blizz-Artestru_ | I don't know. |
| 16:32.37 | Bibendus | uh nice! |
| 16:32.44 | Kueken | it feels more like a feature |
| 16:32.47 | Bibendus | yep |
| 16:32.54 | Kueken | because it definitely has its uses |
| 16:32.59 | Bibendus | it has |
| 16:33.04 | ckSynergy | I cant wait till editor gets fix. It just keeps getting slow and slower |
| 16:33.05 | TheAlmaity | Btw, would it be possible to add support to copy paste instances in User Types? |
| 16:33.06 | Bibendus | however I have to turn it off |
| 16:33.09 | Bibendus | because on Hive keeper |
| 16:33.12 | Bibendus | people randomly digs terrain |
| 16:33.14 | Bibendus | clicking on the map |
| 16:33.15 | Bibendus | :D |
| 16:33.18 | Bibendus | and that's not good |
| 16:33.44 | Kueken | yeah, we need some way to determine, if a click was executed on the minimap |
| 16:33.45 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Almaity: Can you add that to the suggestions thread? |
| 16:33.51 | Kueken | does not have to be a seperate event |
| 16:33.59 | TheAlmaity | where's the suggestions thread? |
| 16:34.04 | Bibendus | oh oh oh a bug! |
| 16:34.08 | Blizz-Artestru_ | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6307501153 |
| 16:34.12 | Kueken | http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5116951946 |
| 16:34.12 | TheAlmaity | us :( |
| 16:34.14 | Kueken | that one :) |
| 16:34.15 | Bibendus | copy pasting create image dialog item |
| 16:34.15 | TheAlmaity | ah, eu, thx |
| 16:34.18 | Bibendus | looses the image link |
| 16:34.21 | Bibendus | when moved around |
| 16:34.35 | Bibendus | i had to reset a lot of images because they were lost! |
| 16:34.41 | Kueken | sry Artestru, I knew he is in EU :D |
| 16:35.21 | Blizz-Artestru_ | No, thanks, it was helpful. I have a hard time remembering everyone's region. :) |
| 16:35.40 | Kueken | honestly, I don't think you have to :D |
| 16:36.05 | Kueken | I will be adding the minimap thing |
| 16:36.47 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Alright guys, I need to make some progress on bugs today. Remember that we definitely 100% read the forums, so it's always safe to add things there. I'll check in from time to time. |
| 16:36.54 | Bibendus | here it is |
| 16:36.56 | Bibendus | i was able |
| 16:36.59 | Bibendus | to reproduce it! |
| 16:37.05 | Blizz-Artestru_ | ? |
| 16:37.09 | Bibendus | do you still have my map? |
| 16:37.13 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Yes |
| 16:37.18 | Bibendus | it's probably a bug related to some actions |
| 16:37.20 | Bibendus | created pre 1.5 |
| 16:37.30 | Bibendus | Dialog - Create an image for dialog (Last created dialog) with the dimensions (960, 730) anchored to Center with an offset of (0, -5) setting the tooltip to "" using the image Assets\Textures\white32.dds as a Normal type with tiled set to True tint color Black and blend mode Normal |
| 16:37.32 | Bibendus | something like this |
| 16:37.40 | Bibendus | if I copy paste this action |
| 16:37.45 | Bibendus | the image link is LOST |
| 16:37.47 | Bibendus | and I have to reset it |
| 16:37.56 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Oh, right, I heard about this bug. |
| 16:38.10 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tivec|2 (~kvirc@ti0018a380-0393.bb.online.no) |
| 16:38.12 | Bibendus | and I think it happened on font style too |
| 16:38.14 | TheAlmaity | how do I add indents on bnet forums? never posted before |
| 16:38.16 | Tivec|2 | hey guys |
| 16:38.23 | TheAlmaity | ello |
| 16:38.35 | Bibendus | btw if I reset the image |
| 16:38.37 | Bibendus | and copy paste again |
| 16:38.44 | Bibendus | the link stays |
| 16:38.47 | Tivec | just a question for you - i'm trying to edit a mar sara map, and i don't seem to be able to use "add texture". replace texture works fine, but nothing happens with add.. |
| 16:38.50 | Tivec | any ideas? |
| 16:39.11 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Yeah, Bibendus, I'm familiar with that, but it's a good idea to post a bug report. Hopefully today the guidelines will go up on what a good bug report looks like. |
| 16:39.12 | Bibendus | it's probably something related to auto defaults |
| 16:39.15 | Bibendus | that came with 1.5 |
| 16:39.42 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Tivec: Make sure you're adding a different texture than the one currently selected. Also make sure your increment is set high enough. |
| 16:39.54 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Err "than the one currently placed on the terrain" would be more clear |
| 16:40.36 | Tivec | right, trying to place mar sara concrete on top of mar sara dirt - tried with increments up to 255, speed very fast, paintbrush style |
| 16:41.22 | Tivec | works perfectly fine on other tile sets (haven't tried everyone, but.. several others at least) |
| 16:42.15 | Blizz-Artestru_ | One second. |
| 16:42.36 | Bibendus | weird bug related to 1 tileset? :O |
| 16:42.39 | Tivec | it does work if I move the height blend up to 100% ^^ |
| 16:42.47 | Tivec | height blend scale, that is |
| 16:42.48 | Bibendus | tivec did u try on an empty new map? |
| 16:43.04 | Tivec | Bibendus: yes, it's empty, newly created, base height 7 |
| 16:43.18 | Bibendus | than it should be easy to reproduce :P |
| 16:44.15 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Getting an answer, one second. |
| 16:44.37 | Kueken | mar sara concrete over dirt? trying, second |
| 16:44.56 | Helral | Artestru's colleague: "Ouch don't pull me along by my ear...." |
| 16:45.07 | Bibendus | :D |
| 16:45.15 | Helral | meows innocently |
| 16:45.38 | Kueken | nothing unusual for me |
| 16:45.43 | Helral | O.o |
| 16:45.47 | Kueken | adding concrete over dirt work |
| 16:45.48 | Kueken | ss |
| 16:45.51 | Kueken | -s |
| 16:45.52 | Kueken | -.- |
| 16:45.54 | Helral | hmmm |
| 16:46.11 | Kueken | "it workssss" |
| 16:46.17 | Kubi | Gosh, I hope this job has benefits! When they give an offer to you, can you ask about benefits? |
| 16:46.21 | Helral | thought pulling colleagues along by the ear was nothing unusual for you....., Kueken. |
| 16:46.22 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Okay |
| 16:46.42 | Kueken | wut? |
| 16:46.44 | Blizz-Artestru_ | So there's a new feature that's only enabled for the Mar Sara tileset, Height Blending. |
| 16:47.02 | Blizz-Artestru_ | It allows your painting to blend nicely based on the heightmap of the terrain. It works nicely for sand dunes and things like that. |
| 16:47.27 | Kueken | oh, I see |
| 16:47.37 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Bottom line is if you want it to work the old way, set Height Blend Scale to 100% and Height Blend Cutoff to 0%. |
| 16:47.38 | Kubi | Another invite to ANOTHER game beta? |
| 16:47.44 | Kubi | How many betas do they want me to test! |
| 16:47.56 | Kueken | so it takes information from the terrain's normal map |
| 16:48.04 | Helral | Kubi: 3 a day. |
| 16:48.08 | Kueken | and, in a sense "fills holes with sand" |
| 16:48.32 | Kueken | thats what it looks like, at least |
| 16:49.04 | Bibendus | cool |
| 16:49.10 | Bibendus | so it does a merge of textures |
| 16:49.35 | Bibendus | those great things that noone will notice :| |
| 16:49.47 | Blizz-Artestru_ | I notice! |
| 16:49.54 | Bibendus | not the consumers :P |
| 16:49.55 | Kueken | you got told |
| 16:50.01 | Kueken | thats not fair ;) |
| 16:50.02 | Bibendus | ahah :P |
| 16:50.09 | Bibendus | btw I have the second UI question |
| 16:50.16 | Bibendus | related to dialogs attached to units |
| 16:50.19 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Okay last one then I have to go. |
| 16:50.23 | Bibendus | kk :P |
| 16:50.28 | Bibendus | do you know that these dialogs attached to units |
| 16:50.37 | Bibendus | go ON TOP of the actual UI? |
| 16:50.48 | Bibendus | and makes them quite weird :P |
| 16:50.55 | Kueken | regardless of render priority? |
| 16:50.58 | Bibendus | yep |
| 16:51.06 | Bibendus | because render priority works only inside the same dialog |
| 16:51.12 | Bibendus | and not globally |
| 16:51.30 | Kueken | ah, yes, I remember, you made some complex system to hide them once they overlap the UI, right? |
| 16:51.36 | Bibendus | fuck yes :| |
| 16:51.47 | Bibendus | actually its the second heavy script running on hive keeper |
| 16:51.49 | Bibendus | :P |
| 16:52.08 | Kubi | I wonder what other unit that i could make a rainbow out of |
| 16:52.25 | Bibendus | sry nothin better then nydus :| |
| 16:52.26 | Blizz-Artestru_ | One second, talking to someone. |
| 16:52.30 | Kueken | btw the height blend looks really good, produces some realistic sand distribution |
| 16:52.31 | Bibendus | k thanks :P |
| 16:52.35 | Kubi | Archon was pretty good. |
| 16:52.38 | Kubi | Maybe a probe? |
| 16:52.46 | Kubi | Mothership? |
| 16:52.46 | Bibendus | kueken can you make a screen? |
| 16:52.51 | Kueken | archon works well, because he is mainly white |
| 16:52.51 | Bibendus | naaaaah |
| 16:52.53 | Bibendus | infestor maybe |
| 16:52.58 | Bibendus | or.. |
| 16:53.00 | Bibendus | THE FATTY! |
| 16:53.05 | Kueken | white reacts nicely to tint |
| 16:53.08 | TheAlmaity | disco zealot! |
| 16:53.12 | Kubi | Yes, yes it does. |
| 16:53.12 | Bibendus | FATTY!!!! |
| 16:53.36 | TheAlmaity | instead of tinting the zealot, change team colour and HDR to make him glow in rainbows |
| 16:53.40 | Kubi | Can you set a behavior to act on a certain unit? Because I have to do a lot of work to get rainbow for each unit |
| 16:53.48 | Bibendus | http://images.wikia.com/starcraft/images/7/73/Fatty_SC2_DevRend1.jpg |
| 16:53.48 | Kubi | I am going to set HDR high |
| 16:53.49 | Bibendus | plz |
| 16:53.50 | TheAlmaity | just use an event macro |
| 16:53.57 | TheAlmaity | and yes, you can, use the target field in the message |
| 16:54.38 | Kueken | bibendus: http://i.imgur.com/KwPzi.jpg |
| 16:54.43 | Kueken | that took like a second |
| 16:54.44 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Hey Bibendus, we're going to have our tester play around and see if we can figure out a way to do it. If not, we'll add it to the UI guys' list. |
| 16:54.48 | Bibendus | nice |
| 16:54.59 | Kubi | Anyone seen that new desert tileset on sc2mapster |
| 16:55.02 | Bibendus | I have 2 ways to do it |
| 16:55.03 | Kubi | it looks pretty awesome |
| 16:55.06 | Bibendus | but they require a lot of work :| |
| 16:55.53 | Kubi | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/terrain/41310-custom-tileset-sirocco-desert/ |
| 16:55.57 | Bibendus | I had to do this |
| 16:56.00 | Bibendus | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/attach-dialog-unit-auto-hide-beh/ |
| 16:56.01 | Kueken | btw Maity, I would love to have a look at your pokemon spells :D |
| 16:56.11 | Bibendus | and it's pure madness :| |
| 16:56.18 | Helral | Blizz-Artestru_: do you also have a list like this for finding the correct frame definitions? http://www.helral.eu/SC2LayoutFrames.html ;p |
| 16:56.26 | Bibendus | there is another less heavy way |
| 16:56.28 | TheAlmaity | Kueken, actual map or just screenies/vids? |
| 16:56.54 | Kueken | as you like :D |
| 16:57.34 | Hobrow | you also wanted to show me some stoff maity :P |
| 16:57.38 | Hobrow | stuff |
| 16:57.45 | Bibendus | but requires to do the hover dialog inside another dialog and then attaching it to another dialog item following the unit |
| 16:57.50 | Kueken | if you have screens/vids/a testmap set up you are willing to share, just want to see something :) |
| 16:58.51 | Bibendus | everyone loves pokemons |
| 16:58.52 | Bibendus | :D |
| 16:59.02 | TheAlmaity | http://imgur.com/a/7cKmr all I have currently |
| 16:59.13 | TheAlmaity | testing Thunder Punch and Ice Punch right now, will upload screenies soon |
| 16:59.28 | TheAlmaity | Got 66 moves total atm |
| 16:59.31 | Bibendus | do a vid |
| 16:59.32 | Bibendus | :D |
| 16:59.39 | TheAlmaity | will try |
| 16:59.41 | Bibendus | screenshot sucks for these things |
| 16:59.44 | TheAlmaity | but I cant get any quiet here >.> |
| 16:59.53 | Bibendus | :O |
| 17:00.19 | Kueken | the ui looks quite polished already |
| 17:00.45 | TheAlmaity | thanks. Dotn really like the dark look though, original pokemon had white bg instead of black, will probably try out different color schemes once I have time |
| 17:00.46 | Helral | did you spit&shine it? |
| 17:00.52 | Kueken | spell screenshots.... well, its better to see them in motion usually, but the hyper/solar beam looks awesome enough :D |
| 17:01.46 | TheAlmaity | yea, screenshots of spells arent that great. Hard to catch them at the right frame even, lol |
| 17:01.51 | TheAlmaity | and thanks :) |
| 17:01.52 | Kubi | I have this unexplainable shadow in my map. |
| 17:01.55 | Kueken | I assume the bubbles are moving upwards? |
| 17:01.57 | Kubi | It doesnt show up in the editor but it does ingame |
| 17:01.58 | TheAlmaity | Yea |
| 17:01.59 | TheAlmaity | spiralling |
| 17:02.02 | TheAlmaity | and gettign smaller |
| 17:02.41 | Kueken | whats the green ion cannon thingy? |
| 17:02.51 | Kueken | don't recognize the model at first glance |
| 17:03.02 | TheAlmaity | 4th pic? |
| 17:03.06 | TheAlmaity | Thunder. |
| 17:03.11 | TheAlmaity | It actually looks yellow when in motion |
| 17:03.23 | TheAlmaity | Tint just doesn't work perfectly :/ |
| 17:03.28 | Kueken | :D |
| 17:03.37 | Kueken | you can retexture those effects as well |
| 17:03.49 | Kueken | but its probably not worth the effort |
| 17:04.11 | TheAlmaity | hmmm... Might be interesting, would have to take a look at the textures |
| 17:04.17 | Kueken | for some effects, retexturing looks awesome |
| 17:04.20 | TheAlmaity | but for simple recoloring probably not |
| 17:04.33 | TheAlmaity | particles can't be retextured, right? |
| 17:04.35 | Kueken | did you se DrSuperEvils decal smoke? :D |
| 17:04.39 | TheAlmaity | nope, didnt |
| 17:04.49 | Kueken | hilarious, sec |
| 17:04.51 | TheAlmaity | btw, gonna make a quick low-res vid of some moves |
| 17:05.04 | TheAlmaity | HD takes too long to upload (Croatia doesnt offer any decent upload rates ever) |
| 17:05.40 | Kueken | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/25/381/Screenshot2012-03-15_21_48_52.jpg |
| 17:05.46 | Kueken | retextured smoke |
| 17:05.57 | Kueken | and I believe smoke is a particle effect |
| 17:06.16 | TheAlmaity | neat |
| 17:06.22 | TheAlmaity | will probably be able ot make use of that then |
| 17:06.23 | Hobrow | wtf?! |
| 17:06.54 | Hobrow | should be a Z decal ... |
| 17:09.39 | Kubi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caKuiTOaBkA |
| 17:09.48 | Kubi | It feels like the ability isnt complete... what should I add to it |
| 17:10.52 | Helral | Bibendus: you want it behind the default UI or behind the other panels of the UI? |
| 17:11.03 | Bibendus | behind default UI |
| 17:11.05 | Bibendus | btw |
| 17:11.12 | Bibendus | it goes over ANY other ui made before |
| 17:11.16 | Helral | didn't get that, did get it behind the UI elements. |
| 17:11.17 | Bibendus | even custom ui |
| 17:11.27 | Bibendus | it goes on top of standard game Ui |
| 17:11.37 | Bibendus | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/map-development/26257-attach-dialog-to-unit-problem/#p1 |
| 17:11.43 | Bibendus | I'm actually reworking the trigger |
| 17:11.47 | Helral | now it hovers between the standard game UI and the commandcardpanel/minimap/etc. |
| 17:11.51 | Bibendus | but hell its stupid :| |
| 17:11.59 | Bibendus | yep |
| 17:12.09 | Bibendus | check the screen in the link |
| 17:12.17 | Kueken | Kubi: Not sure. Actually, I don't like the visuals that much, but thats personal preference probably ;) |
| 17:12.20 | Bibendus | the red circles |
| 17:12.26 | Helral | Bibendus: Game UI layer| Trigger layer | Game UI accessable elements layer |
| 17:12.38 | Kueken | also, do you want to add to the visuals or additional mechanics? |
| 17:12.41 | Bibendus | what? |
| 17:12.53 | Bibendus | game UI layer |
| 17:13.28 | Helral | ConsolePanel | Trigger Panel | Other Panels |
| 17:13.32 | Helral | hmmm how to explain ;p |
| 17:13.39 | Bibendus | what the hell are you saying lol |
| 17:13.40 | Bibendus | :D |
| 17:14.16 | Bibendus | did you see the screenshot? |
| 17:14.27 | Bibendus | these red circles go over ALL the default UI |
| 17:14.38 | Bibendus | except the game menu bar on top left |
| 17:15.02 | Helral | Bibendus: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/sc2.png |
| 17:15.17 | Bibendus | and? |
| 17:15.17 | Bibendus | :D |
| 17:15.24 | Helral | the blue fog that you see over the entire screen is a dialog. |
| 17:15.29 | Bibendus | k |
| 17:15.35 | Bibendus | it covers everything |
| 17:15.37 | Bibendus | I don't want to |
| 17:15.44 | Bibendus | I want it below the game UI |
| 17:15.49 | Helral | but the resources aren't covered by it. |
| 17:15.53 | Helral | not is the minimap itself. |
| 17:15.54 | Bibendus | control groups |
| 17:15.54 | Kueken | it doesn't cover some elements |
| 17:15.55 | Bibendus | dominate |
| 17:15.56 | Bibendus | :D |
| 17:15.57 | Helral | or the commandcard itself. |
| 17:16.10 | Bibendus | so you think |
| 17:16.12 | Bibendus | there is a way |
| 17:16.14 | Bibendus | to fix it? |
| 17:16.19 | Bibendus | because |
| 17:16.22 | Bibendus | for now |
| 17:16.27 | Helral | hmmmm not this way..... sadly.... |
| 17:16.33 | Bibendus | I think that dialog render priority is related only |
| 17:16.37 | Kueken | post in the suggestion thread |
| 17:16.39 | Bibendus | to the order you create them |
| 17:16.52 | Bibendus | so if you create a dialog AFTER the standard ui |
| 17:16.56 | Bibendus | it goes on top of it |
| 17:16.58 | Helral | I have modified the default render priority of the trigger container. |
| 17:17.07 | Bibendus | it seems that the control group is created later maybe |
| 17:17.18 | Helral | so everything that is created inside the trigger container is moved behind those items. |
| 17:17.22 | Bibendus | oh k |
| 17:17.23 | Bibendus | and |
| 17:17.25 | Bibendus | it didn't work? |
| 17:17.33 | Helral | well that is the result so far... |
| 17:17.36 | Bibendus | maybe |
| 17:17.44 | Helral | it doesn't go behind the models. |
| 17:17.45 | Bibendus | it's not the trigger container |
| 17:17.46 | Bibendus | ? |
| 17:17.53 | Bibendus | or mmm |
| 17:18.05 | Bibendus | how much priority did you add? |
| 17:18.15 | Bibendus | what did you set |
| 17:18.15 | Bibendus | 1? |
| 17:18.18 | Bibendus | 0' |
| 17:18.44 | Bibendus | and consider that setting the same priority to all the trigger dialogs may be a problem |
| 17:18.47 | Bibendus | if I add another UI |
| 17:18.54 | Bibendus | it can go under the standard UI |
| 17:19.06 | Helral | without the modification: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/sc2d.png |
| 17:19.32 | Bibendus | mmm |
| 17:19.36 | Bibendus | all the commands |
| 17:19.38 | Bibendus | but not the frame? |
| 17:19.49 | Helral | frame is on another layer entirely :( |
| 17:20.04 | Bibendus | if you increase it's render priority |
| 17:20.12 | Bibendus | it may come up? |
| 17:20.23 | Helral | ohhh maybe I can add a frame manually to be just above the trigger frame that has the same config. |
| 17:21.53 | Bibendus | copy paste |
| 17:21.54 | Bibendus | :D |
| 17:22.10 | Bibendus | is the zerg frame 3d? |
| 17:22.22 | Helral | yup |
| 17:22.22 | Bibendus | random related question :D |
| 17:22.26 | Bibendus | and the others? |
| 17:22.36 | Bibendus | zerg and terran? |
| 17:22.39 | Bibendus | they don't seem 3d at all |
| 17:22.49 | Helral | also |
| 17:23.04 | Helral | they're a bit animated as well not much though. |
| 17:23.08 | Helral | they're m3 models. |
| 17:23.36 | Bibendus | I assume they need to have a certain size |
| 17:23.48 | Bibendus | to be placed exactly in front of the camera |
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| 17:23.59 | Bibendus | [19:31:46] <Bibendus> I assume they need to have a certain size |
| 17:24.00 | Bibendus | [19:31:48] *** Helral quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 17:24.00 | Bibendus | [19:31:59] <Bibendus> to be placed exactly in front of the camera |
| 17:24.20 | Helral | stupid network I got.... |
| 17:24.25 | Bibendus | :P |
| 17:25.45 | Bibendus | so you are trying to duplicate the ui frames? |
| 17:26.46 | Helral | am atm |
| 17:28.00 | Bibendus | whatever |
| 17:28.01 | Bibendus | I may work |
| 17:28.02 | Helral | damn |
| 17:28.06 | Bibendus | on a completely new UI |
| 17:28.13 | Helral | Frames of type ConsolePanel are marked as blizz only :( |
| 17:28.16 | Bibendus | this could be the right moment to start doin it :P |
| 17:28.18 | Bibendus | lol |
| 17:28.29 | Bibendus | http://trolr.com/wp-content/gallery/dungeon-keeper-2-screenshots/dkeeper2_790screen003.jpg |
| 17:31.10 | Helral | cool |
| 17:31.16 | Helral | it works somewhat |
| 17:31.37 | Bibendus | what did you do lol |
| 17:31.50 | Helral | it worked for toss, not terran O.o |
| 17:31.54 | Bibendus | lol |
| 17:32.09 | Bibendus | well if you are able to fix it |
| 17:32.11 | Helral | and then it stopped working :( |
| 17:32.13 | Bibendus | you sure go to the credits :P |
| 17:32.16 | Bibendus | ahhwww |
| 17:33.17 | Helral | Bibendus: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/sc2p.png |
| 17:33.35 | Bibendus | yee |
| 17:33.42 | Helral | next time I load the map it is behind the dialog again :( |
| 17:33.45 | Bibendus | works with all races? |
| 17:33.48 | Bibendus | wut |
| 17:33.50 | Bibendus | totally random? |
| 17:33.53 | Helral | exactly.... |
| 17:33.54 | Bibendus | try to add |
| 17:33.56 | Bibendus | a delay |
| 17:34.00 | Helral | first time it works, second time it doesn't. |
| 17:34.01 | Bibendus | to the creation of your dialog |
| 17:34.03 | TheAlmaity | there, filmed a short vid, now to render... |
| 17:34.11 | Bibendus | good |
| 17:34.14 | Bibendus | we wantz pokemonz |
| 17:34.17 | TheAlmaity | :p |
| 17:34.18 | Bibendus | will it be multi |
| 17:34.19 | Bibendus | or just single? |
| 17:34.23 | TheAlmaity | multiplayer |
| 17:34.27 | Bibendus | yeee |
| 17:34.30 | TheAlmaity | "wild" trainers are even phased |
| 17:34.35 | Helral | ok set to 5 seconds instead of init. |
| 17:34.36 | Bibendus | well a working safe bank system |
| 17:34.39 | Bibendus | would be quite nice |
| 17:34.40 | Bibendus | for that :| |
| 17:34.45 | TheAlmaity | it would... |
| 17:34.45 | Bibendus | k try no |
| 17:34.46 | Bibendus | w |
| 17:34.53 | Helral | doesn't work :( |
| 17:34.53 | TheAlmaity | we're putting in as much security as possible |
| 17:35.01 | TheAlmaity | including putting logs into our runecraft banks, lol |
| 17:35.05 | Bibendus | dahell |
| 17:35.25 | Helral | and after reapplying the changes it does work once. |
| 17:35.27 | Bibendus | http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7456/hivekeeperdebug.jpg |
| 17:35.32 | Helral | it's really weird. |
| 17:35.35 | Bibendus | watch thiz |
| 17:35.38 | Bibendus | look |
| 17:35.38 | Bibendus | at |
| 17:35.41 | Bibendus | whatever |
| 17:36.09 | Helral | holy **** |
| 17:36.18 | Bibendus | the madness this script is causing |
| 17:36.19 | Bibendus | :P |
| 17:36.29 | Bibendus | it's the biggest one |
| 17:37.18 | Bibendus | I could remove it almost completely |
| 17:37.28 | Bibendus | if I can do that by UI |
| 17:37.43 | Bibendus | that means a huge improve in performance |
| 17:38.11 | Helral | yay |
| 17:38.30 | Bibendus | uh and feederlings |
| 17:38.32 | Bibendus | too :P |
| 17:38.39 | Bibendus | 10k |
| 17:38.45 | Bibendus | for stupid food wandering around |
| 17:38.47 | Bibendus | seems too much :P |
| 17:38.59 | Helral | Bibendus: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/bibendus.sc2layout |
| 17:39.05 | Bibendus | :O |
| 17:39.07 | Bibendus | does it work? |
| 17:39.11 | Helral | it seems like it. |
| 17:39.13 | Bibendus | always? |
| 17:39.14 | Bibendus | or sometimes? |
| 17:39.27 | Helral | 2 out of 2, while the other one failed 1 out of 2. |
| 17:39.35 | Helral | haven't tested more often then twice. |
| 17:39.54 | Helral | I'd say test it and if it doesn't work then I'll take another look. |
| 17:40.09 | Bibendus | let's try |
| 17:41.53 | Bibendus | omg :O |
| 17:42.05 | Bibendus | I fucking love you hel |
| 17:42.46 | Bibendus | agh no |
| 17:42.48 | Bibendus | my UI |
| 17:42.50 | Bibendus | is below now |
| 17:42.52 | Bibendus | :P |
| 17:42.54 | Bibendus | lolz |
| 17:42.56 | Helral | ;p |
| 17:43.15 | Bibendus | but well |
| 17:43.20 | Bibendus | I haz to rework the ui anyway |
| 17:43.25 | Helral | everything made by triggers is below. |
| 17:43.29 | Bibendus | so could you explain a bit |
| 17:43.33 | Bibendus | what the hell did you do :P |
| 17:43.42 | Bibendus | ye the problem I was saying before :P |
| 17:44.22 | Bibendus | this thing |
| 17:44.27 | Bibendus | lacks of correct indentation :P |
| 17:44.53 | Helral | copied the contents of the console panel into a frame which is rendered just above the trigger panel. the trigger panel and the fullscreen upper panel are renderen at 0. |
| 17:45.01 | Helral | rendered* |
| 17:45.04 | TheAlmaity | rendering vid now... only 360p though. 15 mins of it |
| 17:45.11 | TheAlmaity | had to make some awkward cuts cause of the 15 min limit |
| 17:45.16 | Helral | lol |
| 17:46.45 | Helral | Bibendus: indentation should be easy to fix. |
| 17:46.52 | Bibendus | i used a beautifier :p |
| 17:46.56 | Bibendus | http://www.freeformatter.com/xml-formatter.html#ad-output |
| 17:47.01 | Bibendus | now I can read it :P |
| 17:47.02 | Helral | exactly ;p |
| 17:47.30 | Helral | it didn't add any roses to it or did it? |
| 17:47.35 | Bibendus | so ok |
| 17:47.38 | Bibendus | TriggerContainer renderpriority 0 |
| 17:47.47 | Bibendus | no roses :( |
| 17:47.52 | Helral | hehehe ;p |
| 17:47.56 | Bibendus | so triggers are rendered |
| 17:47.58 | Bibendus | last? |
| 17:48.06 | Bibendus | wasnt lower more visible? |
| 17:48.07 | Helral | below everything |
| 17:48.08 | Bibendus | whatever |
| 17:48.09 | Bibendus | k |
| 17:48.47 | Bibendus | then |
| 17:48.51 | Helral | 1 = render first, 2 = render next and above those with 1. |
| 17:48.51 | Bibendus | you made a new Ui frame |
| 17:48.53 | Bibendus | copying the old one? |
| 17:49.12 | Helral | new frame, and contents of the consolepanel (stripped a few things though) |
| 17:49.18 | Bibendus | the thing I don't understand |
| 17:49.20 | Bibendus | why so few lines |
| 17:49.37 | Bibendus | so make the whole interface |
| 17:49.53 | Helral | because I reuse almost everything that blizzy already made. |
| 17:50.10 | Bibendus | so you reference an already made xml |
| 17:50.13 | Bibendus | and it just re-includes it |
| 17:50.14 | Bibendus | ? |
| 17:50.33 | Helral | no the copied contents, is all there is to it. |
| 17:50.39 | Bibendus | <Model val="@@UI/ConsoleModelInfopanel"> |
| 17:50.50 | Bibendus | it takes the xml info from this? |
| 17:50.50 | Helral | that's the model location. |
| 17:50.59 | Bibendus | or just the frame ui model? |
| 17:51.00 | Helral | that is listed in the Assets.txt file |
| 17:51.09 | Bibendus | but is it a 3d model |
| 17:51.24 | Bibendus | or model like a set of informations |
| 17:51.29 | Helral | it is a m3 model. |
| 17:51.30 | Bibendus | already done |
| 17:51.31 | Bibendus | k |
| 17:51.40 | Bibendus | so where the hell is |
| 17:51.55 | Bibendus | copy the normal minimap |
| 17:52.12 | Helral | didn't need to I placed the trigger frame below the normal minimap. |
| 17:52.23 | Bibendus | ooo h |
| 17:52.26 | Bibendus | just changed the priority |
| 17:52.29 | Bibendus | you didn't copy it |
| 17:52.31 | Helral | that is why I used renderpriority 0 :) |
| 17:52.37 | Bibendus | yeah but |
| 17:52.40 | Helral | the ones with renderpriority aren't copied. |
| 17:52.40 | Bibendus | you said it wasn't working |
| 17:52.48 | Helral | the frame named test is copied. |
| 17:52.55 | Bibendus | so you were thinking to recreate the UI on top of it |
| 17:53.03 | Helral | because I did not have the frame named test as it is now. |
| 17:53.19 | Helral | I had a reference to the consolepanel, which is not allowed because my map isn't made by blizz. |
| 17:53.31 | Bibendus | damnit |
| 17:53.34 | Bibendus | I don't get where are the infos |
| 17:53.35 | Bibendus | :P |
| 17:53.40 | Helral | which infos? |
| 17:53.59 | Bibendus | how does it understand |
| 17:54.05 | Bibendus | that he must use the normal minimap |
| 17:54.09 | Bibendus | awwwwww |
| 17:54.14 | Bibendus | because yhe render priority 0 |
| 17:54.17 | Bibendus | was already doing all the job |
| 17:54.19 | Bibendus | except the frames |
| 17:54.21 | Helral | :) |
| 17:54.22 | Bibendus | am I right? |
| 17:54.23 | Bibendus | aaaaa |
| 17:54.24 | Helral | yup |
| 17:54.24 | Bibendus | finally |
| 17:54.25 | Bibendus | :P |
| 17:54.30 | Helral | pets Bibendus. |
| 17:54.31 | Bibendus | and you just re-added the frames |
| 17:54.35 | Helral | exactly. |
| 17:54.36 | Bibendus | good boy bibendus |
| 17:54.36 | Bibendus | :D |
| 17:54.49 | Helral | watches Bibendus wagging his tail. |
| 17:54.53 | Bibendus | well |
| 17:54.55 | Bibendus | maybe it's time |
| 17:55.00 | Bibendus | I completely remove the standard UI :O |
| 17:55.00 | TheAlmaity | yay, my wet cat wants to cuddle, and we all know that you can't argue with cats |
| 17:55.05 | Helral | lol |
| 17:55.15 | Helral | meows in agreement. |
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| 17:55.40 | Helral | and here I finally fixed your problem, and now you want to remove the standard UI..... |
| 17:55.45 | TheAlmaity | 20 mins for 40MB vid to upload... |
| 17:55.59 | Bibendus | well |
| 17:56.07 | Bibendus | still the renderpriority 0 |
| 17:56.25 | Bibendus | fixes the fact that my dialogs were going on top of minimap and command and wahtever |
| 17:56.27 | Bibendus | whatever |
| 17:56.31 | Bibendus | because as I said |
| 17:56.37 | Bibendus | now all my triggers are hidden now :P |
| 17:56.40 | Bibendus | and that's not a good thing |
| 17:57.01 | Bibendus | oh fu |
| 17:57.03 | Bibendus | whatever I do |
| 17:57.04 | Bibendus | ... |
| 17:57.13 | Bibendus | the problem is that I can't keep all trigger dialogs |
| 17:57.17 | Bibendus | at the same render priority :| |
| 17:57.35 | Bibendus | how the hell do i fix this :| |
| 17:57.41 | Helral | hmmmm is there an UI option to bind dialogs to another container instead of the trigger container? |
| 17:58.21 | Bibendus | in fact |
| 17:58.23 | Bibendus | i was searching |
| 17:58.30 | Bibendus | because if I can add an empty dialog |
| 17:58.35 | Bibendus | by xml editing |
| 17:58.37 | Bibendus | and then attach dialogs to it |
| 17:58.39 | Bibendus | it's done |
| 17:58.54 | Helral | that was what I was thinking, but I don't see any options for it :( |
| 17:59.08 | Bibendus | maybe |
| 17:59.09 | Helral | but I do have another idea. |
| 17:59.11 | Bibendus | by custom script |
| 17:59.22 | Helral | wonder if it will work. |
| 18:00.14 | Bibendus | what are you trying |
| 18:00.32 | Helral | creating a template which I'll add into the trigger layer itself. |
| 18:00.45 | Helral | and then remaking the gameUI bottom area there. |
| 18:01.59 | Bibendus | mmm |
| 18:02.20 | Bibendus | even if they are on the same dialog |
| 18:02.27 | Bibendus | I can't set the priorities |
| 18:08.58 | Helral | lol it actually placed a blank UI frame on top.... |
| 18:09.10 | Helral | I can't see the buttons etc of the normal UI though. |
| 18:09.21 | Bibendus | O-o |
| 18:09.31 | Helral | gonna play around with it a bit more ;p |
| 18:09.50 | Bibendus | will helral be able to fix it |
| 18:09.58 | Bibendus | before blizz guys are able to do it? :P |
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| 18:13.02 | Helral | damn couldn't hookup the minimap. |
| 18:13.19 | Bibendus | the problem is still |
| 18:13.44 | Bibendus | that I need different triggers UI with different render priorities |
| 18:14.03 | Helral | you can set the priority of the dialog items. |
| 18:14.47 | Bibendus | but I can't assign dialog items to the trigger dialog |
| 18:14.51 | Bibendus | so it's pointless :| |
| 18:14.58 | Bibendus | they must be all at the same level |
| 18:15.00 | Helral | why can't you assign them? |
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| 18:15.10 | Bibendus | because you always have to add a new dialog |
| 18:15.13 | Bibendus | to create a dialog item |
| 18:15.16 | motive| | HELLO #SC2MAPSTER. |
| 18:15.22 | Bibendus | hay |
| 18:15.28 | Helral | so? create a dialog set the dialog to be fullscreen. and there you go. |
| 18:15.37 | Bibendus | but I can't set the dialog |
| 18:15.39 | Bibendus | a different priority |
| 18:15.42 | Bibendus | only to dialog items |
| 18:15.44 | Helral | you hide it's background and you can create dialog items everywhere. |
| 18:16.17 | Bibendus | every dialog I create by trigger |
| 18:16.21 | Bibendus | will have the same priority |
| 18:16.22 | Bibendus | ever |
| 18:16.37 | Bibendus | if I'm not able to assign them to a premade dialog with preset priority created by xml |
| 18:16.38 | Helral | true I guess. last created one will be on top, right? |
| 18:16.42 | Bibendus | yep |
| 18:16.44 | Bibendus | it seems |
| 18:16.54 | Bibendus | if they are at the same level |
| 18:17.03 | Bibendus | the order counts |
| 18:17.30 | Bibendus | now I haz to eat :| |
| 18:17.33 | Bibendus | stupid food |
| 18:17.51 | Bibendus | why can't I assign render priorities of dialogs :( |
| 18:18.02 | Bibendus | by triggerz |
| 18:20.36 | TheAlmaity | U Tube, Y U NO PROCESS FASTER? |
| 18:21.12 | Bibendus | :D |
| 18:21.22 | Bibendus | Y U TUBE |
| 18:22.28 | TheAlmaity | its only 360p >.> |
| 18:22.36 | TheAlmaity | never had to wait for processing with 360p vids >.> |
| 18:23.08 | Bibendus | Set Dialog RTT Channel |
| 18:23.09 | Bibendus | wuts that |
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| 18:23.22 | zenx1 | GUYS |
| 18:23.30 | TheAlmaity | Yes? |
| 18:23.31 | zenx1 | tell me how to use signatures |
| 18:23.43 | zenx1 | that fucking search function on forums is so piece of shit |
| 18:23.44 | TheAlmaity | bank signatures? |
| 18:23.53 | zenx1 | never used them |
| 18:23.58 | TheAlmaity | I think you need to use the bank options action |
| 18:24.01 | TheAlmaity | then turn them on |
| 18:24.09 | TheAlmaity | and there should be a condition to validate them |
| 18:24.13 | TheAlmaity | dunno, I dont do bank stuff |
| 18:24.14 | zenx1 | thats it? mm |
| 18:24.22 | zenx1 | well lets learn together pokemon master |
| 18:24.27 | TheAlmaity | Ive got a slave, I mean, partner to do that |
| 18:25.12 | zenx1 | GAH |
| 18:25.16 | TheAlmaity | goddamit, this video is processing longer than its uploading |
| 18:25.20 | TheAlmaity | and it took forever to upload! |
| 18:25.21 | zenx1 | I hate myself for making such unorganized triggers |
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| 18:26.22 | zenx1 | ah yes atleast there is option signature |
| 18:27.06 | Helral | meow |
| 18:27.43 | zenx1 | hmm |
| 18:28.06 | zenx1 | so is that it? I just enable bank at init and then check if its verified |
| 18:28.12 | TheAlmaity | think so |
| 18:28.38 | zenx1 | so I guess it does what it wants when I save bank.. :/ |
| 18:29.14 | TheSkunk__ | back |
| 18:29.43 | zenx1 | I think biggest concern on that signature is if people can lose save files cause of that |
| 18:29.46 | TheAlmaity | shouldve used dropbox >.> damn utube |
| 18:29.47 | zenx1 | that would sure be anoying |
| 18:30.13 | Tivec | hmm, i've just recently come back to the SC2 editor, and all the fields in my data editor have a lot of odd names - instead of "Ability - Abilities +" it says "CUnit_AbilArray +" - is there a setting i have missed somewhere to make it easier to read? |
| 18:30.14 | TheAlmaity | I dont think anyone ever lost a bank cause of a signature |
| 18:30.24 | TheAlmaity | press ctrl+d Tivec |
| 18:30.24 | zenx1 | good good ty mate |
| 18:30.27 | Kueken | Tivec: press CTRL + D |
| 18:30.32 | Tivec | ohhhh |
| 18:30.36 | Tivec | thanks! |
| 18:30.39 | TheAlmaity | np |
| 18:30.45 | Tivec | yay, i can see things again :) |
| 18:31.20 | Kueken | maity, processing on youtube is a strange thing |
| 18:31.32 | Kueken | sometimes it lasts about a second |
| 18:31.42 | Kueken | sometimes several days |
| 18:31.57 | Kueken | for similar length |
| 18:32.04 | TheAlmaity | looks like Im getting days this time |
| 18:32.20 | TheAlmaity | will just chuck it into DB once I synced the map... |
| 18:32.24 | Kueken | but it uploaded already, you can share the link? |
| 18:32.48 | Kueken | sometimes you can already watch it while processing |
| 18:32.55 | Kueken | in lower quality |
| 18:34.29 | zenx1 | And I suppose I can verify bank at any point right? |
| 18:34.37 | zenx1 | or does it need to be at initializiation |
| 18:34.41 | zenx1 | (hard word to spell) |
| 18:35.08 | TheAlmaity | there is no lower quality kueken, uploaded in 360p |
| 18:35.18 | Kueken | there is 240 :) |
| 18:35.19 | TheAlmaity | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xzO3P2Slrk |
| 18:36.08 | Kueken | long video? |
| 18:36.34 | zenx1 | is it about pokemons? |
| 18:37.17 | TheAlmaity | 15 mins |
| 18:37.21 | TheAlmaity | showing off some of the moves |
| 18:37.35 | TheAlmaity | only realized later that my mic recording was off in fraps... |
| 18:37.37 | zenx1 | charizard use flamethrower! |
| 18:38.37 | TheAlmaity | most of the moves in the beginning are relatively lame, I didnt update my random move generation trigger for a while so it didn't give me most of the newer moves, which includes a lot of the awesome ones |
| 18:39.22 | zenx1 | is it gona be rpg btw or what? |
| 18:40.15 | TheAlmaity | rpg I guess, similar to the gameboy/DS games |
| 18:40.36 | TheAlmaity | there, it processed |
| 18:41.07 | TheAlmaity | I did a lot of talking without realising my mic wasnt being recorded |
| 18:41.09 | zenx1 | so one more falls for the trap of making RPG |
| 18:41.21 | zenx1 | Iv been working with 1 fucking area for like half a year :D |
| 18:41.47 | zenx1 | allthou its probly cause I just do stuff and then notice its shit :D |
| 18:41.55 | Bibendus | what the hell is a dialog rtt channel :| |
| 18:41.58 | Bibendus | render to texture |
| 18:43.13 | Kueken | :D |
| 18:43.27 | Kueken | probichu tackle! |
| 18:43.29 | Kueken | so cute |
| 18:43.44 | Kueken | well, its an observer |
| 18:43.55 | Kueken | but you get my point :D |
| 18:44.05 | TheAlmaity | lol |
| 18:44.06 | zenx1 | seems a bit static thou |
| 18:44.14 | zenx1 | I would like a bit of camera action or something |
| 18:44.29 | zenx1 | like that FF video someone made 2 years ago looks so epic |
| 18:44.32 | TheAlmaity | Zelda had the same idea until he figured out how much work that would be |
| 18:45.06 | TheAlmaity | some of the sounds in the vid are off or not there at all, have to fix some of the attacks |
| 18:45.37 | zenx1 | You have all time in the world! just finish it up for LOTV |
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| 18:48.17 | Kueken | already looks very solid, though |
| 18:48.37 | Helral | Bibendus: my other idea is not going to work. |
| 18:48.48 | Bibendus | lol? |
| 18:48.49 | Bibendus | :D |
| 18:48.58 | Bibendus | whut |
| 18:49.04 | Helral | blizzards hookup doesn't allow me to hookup a minimap inside a dialog :( |
| 18:49.15 | TheAlmaity | thanks kueken :) |
| 18:49.34 | Bibendus | still I can't do |
| 18:49.44 | Bibendus | the different priorities |
| 18:50.33 | TheAlmaity | hyper beam is at 9:45 for anyone interested |
| 18:51.00 | Helral | hmmm btw Bibendus, if the default UI stuff (not model) is in front of the trigger stuff does that prevent you from doing what you want? |
| 18:51.18 | Bibendus | no because some bust be blow |
| 18:51.19 | Bibendus | some on top |
| 18:51.26 | Bibendus | btw now I'm goin to play tribes :| |
| 18:51.28 | Bibendus | cya later |
| 18:51.47 | Helral | lol |
| 18:51.52 | Helral | cya |
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| 18:52.23 | Kueken | lol @ scary face :) |
| 18:53.40 | TheAlmaity | :) |
| 18:57.40 | zenx1 | I would make the UI just to automatically show skills and next to that those change creature and other stuff |
| 18:57.52 | zenx1 | I hate whe nI have to click 2 times for no reason at all |
| 18:59.07 | TheAlmaity | post it in the thread so that Zelda sees it |
| 18:59.54 | zenx1 | NO you are one of the creators take responsibility! |
| 19:00.24 | TheAlmaity | I dont do UI and trigger stuff :p |
| 19:01.05 | TheAlmaity | I just make UI images and fancy attacks |
| 19:04.04 | zenx1 | I also would consider making those other elements available in the battle UI too |
| 19:04.22 | zenx1 | cause Im in such a hurry always I like to change my pokemons fast and use my moves fast |
| 19:04.31 | zenx1 | instead of jumping on differnt windows |
| 19:04.45 | TheAlmaity | well, the pokemon window is fairly huge so that wouldn't really fit in |
| 19:05.18 | zenx1 | thats just how you want to implement it. I dont want to sound too negative since it does look pretty cool |
| 19:05.54 | TheAlmaity | well, people will probably want to be able to see the stats and moves of their pokemon in case they dont know them by heart before switching in, for which we need that gigantic window |
| 19:06.23 | zenx1 | fair enough |
| 19:06.41 | Kueken | what about hotkeys? |
| 19:06.55 | TheAlmaity | Not impleneted yet for the battle |
| 19:06.56 | Kueken | like qwer casts the abilities without opening the menu |
| 19:07.10 | TheAlmaity | but definitely gonna have hotkeys |
| 19:07.16 | TheAlmaity | even thinking about optional wasd move |
| 19:07.19 | Kueken | this would circumvent ui clutter while massively improving the combat flow |
| 19:07.55 | zenx1 | meh |
| 19:08.07 | zenx1 | somehow when I use signature it doesnt load my data |
| 19:08.11 | zenx1 | I wonder whats wrong |
| 19:08.26 | TheAlmaity | old banks wont work |
| 19:08.30 | TheAlmaity | you have to delete yours |
| 19:08.40 | zenx1 | but I tried enabling signature and then saving with new file |
| 19:09.26 | zenx1 | so anoying... |
| 19:09.43 | zenx1 | ahah lol |
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| 19:09.55 | zenx1 | I accidentally put verify bank before even loading it :D |
| 19:09.59 | zenx1 | maybe thats why |
| 19:10.03 | TheAlmaity | lol |
| 19:10.47 | Kueken | banks are such a nuisance |
| 19:11.18 | Kueken | there should be a BankGetGlobalInformation function and a BankHackable flag :/ |
| 19:12.01 | Kueken | and of course the famous BankSaveEverythingIWant and BankLoadTheSame |
| 19:12.16 | zenx1 | ndeed |
| 19:12.29 | Kueken | I might need to add those to the suggestions thread :) |
| 19:12.50 | zenx1 | but hey atleast we have banks |
| 19:13.01 | zenx1 | I loved the wc3 style of "type: wtas-eyhe4235gsd-asfasgheg" to load :D |
| 19:13.15 | Kueken | :) |
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| 19:15.44 | zenx1 | lol that scary face ability is funny :D |
| 19:15.56 | TheAlmaity | very scary, isn't it |
| 19:20.10 | Kueken | I almost ran away |
| 19:23.06 | zenx1 | some abilities are really nice |
| 19:23.09 | zenx1 | while others are not :D |
| 19:23.13 | zenx1 | the fire punch is epic too |
| 19:23.19 | Kueken | :/ |
| 19:23.24 | TheAlmaity | thx |
| 19:23.27 | Kueken | I just browsed the dota 2 workshop |
| 19:23.49 | Kueken | it is frustrating to see how many people created tons of custom assets within a few weeks |
| 19:23.52 | zenx1 | btw what does smart cast do? |
| 19:24.01 | TheAlmaity | right click cast |
| 19:24.17 | Kueken | compared to SC2, wher hardly any assets exist besides WoW models |
| 19:24.33 | zenx1 | where can they use the assets? |
| 19:24.44 | zenx1 | can they really use cusotm assets on the game or what |
| 19:25.12 | Kueken | they can create custom assets for the workshop, and when they are approved, people can buy them for their heroes |
| 19:25.31 | zenx1 | I guess thats pretty cool |
| 19:25.36 | Kueken | like alternative weapons or additional trinkets or whatever |
| 19:25.39 | zenx1 | I assume they actually get money for it |
| 19:25.44 | zenx1 | if you can sell |
| 19:25.46 | zenx1 | some for free too? |
| 19:25.58 | Kueken | you get some for playing as well |
| 19:26.06 | zenx1 | "meanwhile on blizzard marketplace" |
| 19:26.15 | Kueken | the game itself will become free to play at some point |
| 19:26.39 | zenx1 | yes I heard of that, not really that interested |
| 19:26.41 | Kueken | and you can play your vanilla heroes for free, and if you like the game, you can pimp them for cash |
| 19:27.05 | Kueken | I play it occasionally |
| 19:27.13 | Kueken | won't spend money, though |
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| 19:27.48 | zenx1 | evi already played tons of dota in wc3 so... |
| 19:28.01 | zenx1 | its copy of that right...I wonder if even any new heroes |
| 19:28.04 | Kueken | but its painfully obvious, how many people are able and willing to create quality assets, if they are given appropriate art tools to work with... |
| 19:28.41 | Kueken | granted, those are mostly unanimated attachments, so not that hard, but even those hardly exist in SC2... |
| 19:29.09 | zenx1 | well pretty hard to imagine how similar ssytems would work on sc2 |
| 19:29.25 | zenx1 | I guess people would buy new skins for desert strike if there was system for that |
| 19:29.35 | zenx1 | and system to actually distribute the assests |
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| 19:44.28 | ckSynergy | anyone here experienced with actors? Just have a quick question |
| 19:44.34 | zenx1 | finaalluyyy |
| 19:44.39 | zenx1 | bank loads the value |
| 19:44.47 | Kueken | ckSynergy: I would say I am |
| 19:44.48 | zenx1 | ask away |
| 19:45.51 | Kueken | not so quick, the question :p |
| 19:45.51 | ckSynergy | one second |
| 19:45.55 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 19:45.58 | ckSynergy | sorry, studying |
| 19:46.24 | zenx1 | Anyone got ideas how to make not autcast units chase you for too long? |
| 19:46.27 | ckSynergy | ok, nevermind I think I understand it now |
| 19:46.35 | zenx1 | apparently the CHASE doesnt mean what I think it means :E |
| 19:47.00 | Kueken | so you want a unit to break up its pursuit? |
| 19:47.04 | zenx1 | yes |
| 19:47.18 | Kueken | when autocasting an ability |
| 19:47.58 | Kueken | there was some range or duration for that, wasn't it? |
| 19:48.08 | Kueken | don't recall the field name |
| 19:48.14 | zenx1 | is there? there is range yes and autocast range |
| 19:48.19 | ckSynergy | Are morphs transient? Meaning if the duration is 0, will it cancel out current attack orders? |
| 19:48.36 | zenx1 | but they still chase me |
| 19:48.36 | Kueken | try Stats - Follow Range |
| 19:48.51 | Kueken | ckSynergy: not sure |
| 19:48.51 | zenx1 | interesting there is such thing lol |
| 19:49.27 | Kueken | it has no transient flag |
| 19:49.36 | ckSynergy | yea thats what Im wondering lol |
| 19:49.38 | Kueken | not sure, if it inherently is |
| 19:49.53 | Kueken | but I don't think so |
| 19:50.13 | Kueken | easy to try, though |
| 19:50.28 | zenx1 | where the hell is stats on unit? or what? |
| 19:50.36 | Kueken | in the ability |
| 19:50.56 | zenx1 | hmm found follow range |
| 19:51.06 | zenx1 | its currently 0 but lets see if I set it to 5 or something |
| 19:51.30 | Kueken | should be it |
| 19:51.38 | Kueken | 5 is default, 0 should be infinite |
| 19:52.41 | Kueken | I am still not convinced, that user types over script variables/structs is an improvement... |
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| 19:57.20 | zenx1 | hmmh |
| 19:57.30 | zenx1 | not too convinced if the follow range solved my problem |
| 19:59.15 | Totservis | Krash, on EU map version abomination give +20 bounty but it is said in description that they give +15 :) |
| 19:59.48 | Krash | Thanks Totservis |
| 20:01.43 | zenx1 | yea thos motherfuckers follow me everywhere even if its follow range 2 or 4 or whatever |
| 20:02.54 | zenx1 | god damn |
| 20:03.01 | zenx1 | I wonder ho0w Ill get this to work |
| 20:03.23 | Kueken | try the acquire movement options |
| 20:03.30 | Kueken | like acquire leah radius |
| 20:03.34 | Kueken | *leash |
| 20:03.46 | zenx1 | wheres that lol |
| 20:03.49 | Kueken | or acquire movement limit |
| 20:03.53 | Kueken | thats in the unit |
| 20:04.04 | zenx1 | thanks that might be it |
| 20:04.40 | zenx1 | allthough that might cause some other problems :D |
| 20:04.46 | zenx1 | since I only want it to work on autocast |
| 20:04.49 | zenx1 | but Ill test it atleast |
| 20:05.42 | Kueken | yeah, the follow range sounds about right for that, but since it doesn't work... |
| 20:06.07 | zenx1 | yea.. |
| 20:06.09 | zenx1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGPxlMpzqYQ |
| 20:06.32 | zenx1 | somehow pretty catchy song lol |
| 20:08.04 | zenx1 | so nice that they still havent putten proper tooltips for stuff |
| 20:08.13 | zenx1 | one could thing that would be the basic thing to do |
| 20:08.22 | zenx1 | when doing stuff making comments for them how they work |
| 20:08.57 | zenx1 | but if they dont work I guess it doesnt matter "hahahaha " |
| 20:09.42 | zenx1 | Blizz-Artestru_: How is the follow range suppose to work on spells? |
| 20:10.04 | zenx1 | since it doesnt seem to work at all |
| 20:10.40 | zenx1 | hey kueken |
| 20:10.44 | zenx1 | the leash thing works atleast |
| 20:11.06 | zenx1 | but I wonder how the hell do I implement it to autocast spell :/ |
| 20:11.06 | Kueken | finally, something that works :) |
| 20:11.26 | Bibendus | back |
| 20:11.31 | zenx1 | well kinda hard to even know how it works |
| 20:11.41 | zenx1 | like does it work if unit is only sitting around or what.... |
| 20:12.39 | Bibendus | artrestru should be afk |
| 20:13.40 | zenx1 | gheez |
| 20:14.21 | zenx1 | I doubt he would be able to answer anyway |
| 20:14.28 | zenx1 | how the acquire leash works... |
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| 20:18.23 | zenx1 | Well I guess its all about testing stuff myself :/ |
| 20:18.40 | Exaken | How is a map with no ratings on the front page of up&coming?... |
| 20:18.59 | zenx1 | isnt that how the system should optimally work? |
| 20:19.07 | zenx1 | unkown maps get promoted |
| 20:19.31 | Exaken | but these are 2 melee maps from ESL |
| 20:20.10 | zenx1 | aww BURN THEM IN FIRE! |
| 20:20.31 | Exaken | aand now there gone |
| 20:20.36 | zenx1 | good |
| 20:20.41 | Exaken | lol |
| 20:21.31 | zenx1 | ah god damn the leash thing works exactly as I expected |
| 20:21.38 | zenx1 | I would need to make extra units if I wan to use it :( |
| 20:22.17 | zenx1 | I guess Ill have to do that |
| 20:22.38 | zenx1 | then it works exactly how I want it to, but it takes more time to do :( |
| 20:25.37 | ducky | what have you done burne, now I'm thinking about watching that movie :/ |
| 20:26.19 | zenx1 | heheh |
| 20:26.27 | zenx1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwJ6nOgIg1w |
| 20:26.32 | zenx1 | and now you feel like playing mario |
| 20:26.56 | zenx1 | QUESTION: any idea how wander behaviour works? I wonder if I could use that to disable untis from following :D |
| 20:27.17 | zenx1 | it has leash... |
| 20:27.26 | zenx1 | so does it prevent it from moving units from one spot to another... |
| 20:28.09 | Bibendus | oh |
| 20:28.16 | Bibendus | hive keeper got in the up & coming |
| 20:28.18 | Bibendus | weird |
| 20:28.25 | Bibendus | it must be a bug |
| 20:28.30 | Bibendus | ah no |
| 20:28.31 | Bibendus | it didn't |
| 20:28.34 | Bibendus | my fault |
| 20:29.09 | zenx1 | here comes 5 seconds of fame for Bibendus |
| 20:29.15 | Bibendus | fail |
| 20:29.31 | Bibendus | still the up & coming is stuck |
| 20:29.34 | Bibendus | to the UP only |
| 20:30.27 | zenx1 | im invincibleeeeeeeeeee |
| 20:31.14 | Kueken | I played around with the wander ability |
| 20:31.32 | Kueken | that was like 2 years ago, though |
| 20:31.38 | Kueken | *behavior |
| 20:32.13 | Kueken | it makes the unit wander randomly, and you can set a leash, so it won't move out of a certain range |
| 20:32.35 | zenx1 | sounds like it could work, but probly wont |
| 20:36.20 | Bibendus | no you aren't |
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| 20:45.16 | Fate | hi all |
| 20:48.15 | Exaken | hello |
| 20:48.22 | zenx1 | hello |
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| 20:59.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | hi |
| 21:00.02 | Blizz-Deletarius | so here I was thinking I was still logged in |
| 21:02.19 | Hobrow | wb deletarius |
| 21:02.20 | Exaken | oh hi |
| 21:02.30 | JademusSreg | Pew pew. |
| 21:03.05 | Hobrow | pewpew? |
| 21:03.16 | Kueken | pEW |
| 21:03.22 | Bibendus | lol |
| 21:03.23 | Bibendus | :P |
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| 21:03.27 | Bibendus | I said to artes |
| 21:03.32 | Bibendus | he said you were busy :P |
| 21:03.33 | JademusSreg | I said shoot across their nose, not up it! |
| 21:03.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | I have been |
| 21:03.49 | Hobrow | http://www.tentonhammer.com/image/view/204524 pewpew? |
| 21:03.51 | IskatuMesk | Blizz-Deletarius, do you think diablo 4 will be able to compete with the insane high definition graphics of darksiders 2? http://www.gameproc.com/meskstuff/imgursucks/4dgarfuks.jpg |
| 21:03.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | what's up? |
| 21:03.53 | Bibendus | :) |
| 21:04.04 | Bibendus | i asked 2 things to artes |
| 21:04.08 | Bibendus | regarding the UI |
| 21:04.23 | Bibendus | he wasn't able to answer ;) |
| 21:04.26 | JademusSreg | Iskatu is Mesking. |
| 21:04.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | IskatuMesk, it looks like they threw it in the iDTech5 engine |
| 21:04.43 | IskatuMesk | they are masters of hurr definition 4d garfuks |
| 21:04.46 | Bibendus | sbrofl |
| 21:05.09 | Kueken | sharper than reality |
| 21:05.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | (a veiled joke reference about how bad the re-drawing was with Rage) |
| 21:05.20 | Kueken | (if that is even english) |
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| 21:05.39 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:05.49 | Bibendus | didn't know rage had that |
| 21:05.50 | Bibendus | but ok |
| 21:05.51 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:05.58 | Bibendus | noone understood it probably ;) |
| 21:06.29 | Kueken | so that is how diablo 4 will look like? |
| 21:06.33 | IskatuMesk | actually the textures are all really just that bad |
| 21:07.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | heh, I have no idea how diablo 4 will look |
| 21:07.56 | IskatuMesk | I should have gone to sleep but there was an east indian scammer trying to pick a buck off of me in my moment of vulnerability and I had to eviscerate him with a sharpened camel |
| 21:08.06 | Bibendus | btw |
| 21:08.16 | Bibendus | serious business now? :P |
| 21:08.41 | JademusSreg | I think Mesk just failed the Turing test. |
| 21:08.42 | Totservis | diablo 4 has to include 5 levels of hardness |
| 21:08.58 | IskatuMesk | Veiny, Throbbing, Juicy, Extra Juicy, Black? |
| 21:09.07 | Totservis | because diablo 2 had 3, diablo 3 has 4 =) |
| 21:09.18 | JademusSreg | That's how I like my burgers, yes. |
| 21:09.44 | Hobrow | black? :D |
| 21:09.49 | IskatuMesk | :3 |
| 21:10.26 | JademusSreg | Anyway, HotS Beta is "Soon". |
| 21:10.38 | JademusSreg | Multiplayer-only testing, though. |
| 21:10.40 | IskatuMesk | meh. |
| 21:10.42 | Kueken | so diablo 4 gets "apocalypse" after inferno |
| 21:10.51 | IskatuMesk | nothing interesting in hots |
| 21:11.22 | Kueken | art tools beta? ;) |
| 21:11.28 | JademusSreg | Just reporting. =D |
| 21:11.44 | IskatuMesk | I would choke myself with a horse if it took until hots beta for that to enter beta |
| 21:11.46 | Totservis | 5th level will be "Impossibru" |
| 21:12.05 | JademusSreg | Hey, art tools were supposed to be released with 1.5. Wat happened? |
| 21:12.18 | Kueken | 5th level transforms all enemies to rainbow archons |
| 21:12.34 | Kueken | jade: they weren't |
| 21:12.34 | Totservis | rainbow already exists |
| 21:12.38 | Blizz-Deletarius | I don't believe that it was ever stated that art tools would be released with 1.5 |
| 21:12.41 | Totservis | there is no place for two rainbow mobs |
| 21:12.49 | JademusSreg | I have several emails to that effect. |
| 21:12.50 | IskatuMesk | you guys should just release your existing 3ds max exporter plugin |
| 21:12.53 | IskatuMesk | the one you use in development |
| 21:12.54 | Bibendus | they always say |
| 21:12.56 | Bibendus | soon tm |
| 21:13.02 | Bibendus | :D |
| 21:13.11 | Kueken | or variations |
| 21:13.14 | IskatuMesk | and release the source too |
| 21:13.19 | Bibendus | ahahah |
| 21:13.20 | Bibendus | :D |
| 21:13.23 | Kueken | soon-ish is quite popular |
| 21:13.25 | Totservis | as soon as it's done (tm) :D |
| 21:13.39 | Kueken | or very soon (ish) |
| 21:13.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | I think you mean "When it's doneTM" |
| 21:13.48 | zenx1 | Blizz-Deletarius: any idea how the"follow unit" is suppose to work on spells? |
| 21:13.50 | Kueken | thats a difference |
| 21:13.55 | zenx1 | abilities |
| 21:14.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | 1 moment please |
| 21:14.02 | Totservis | it's already done we hope :D |
| 21:14.10 | Totservis | now is the phase "soon" :D |
| 21:14.33 | Bibendus | sooooon |
| 21:14.38 | Bibendus | it's soon even when it's not done |
| 21:14.40 | Bibendus | fool :D |
| 21:14.44 | Totservis | :D |
| 21:15.02 | Totservis | but when it's not done it's not so soon as when it's done :D |
| 21:15.32 | Kueken | but its always done when its done so it can already be done without violating the statement |
| 21:15.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | I actually can't find the follow unit that you're talking about |
| 21:15.51 | Bibendus | lolz |
| 21:15.56 | zenx1 | Kueken: what was it called follow range or what |
| 21:15.59 | Blizz-Deletarius | can you give me an exact example that you're talking abou zen? |
| 21:16.01 | zenx1 | might be follow range |
| 21:16.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | ie a unit or ability that has the thing in it? |
| 21:16.14 | zenx1 | ability |
| 21:16.15 | Kueken | its a field for an ability |
| 21:16.17 | Bibendus | where is it |
| 21:16.18 | Bibendus | k :D |
| 21:16.28 | Kueken | effect - target |
| 21:16.35 | Kueken | stats - follow range |
| 21:16.39 | Kueken | I think |
| 21:16.59 | JademusSreg | I'll put this on dropbox. |
| 21:17.10 | IskatuMesk | I'll box your drop |
| 21:17.14 | Bibendus | put what |
| 21:17.36 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Patch%201%205%20Developer%20Highlights_v3%20%282%29.docx |
| 21:17.51 | JademusSreg | That's the doc I got for the 1.5 Alpha. |
| 21:18.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | welp |
| 21:18.15 | JademusSreg | StarCraft II Platform > StarTools |
| 21:18.23 | Blizz-Deletarius | dunno what to tell you |
| 21:18.28 | Bibendus | where did u get that |
| 21:18.28 | JademusSreg | No worries. |
| 21:18.29 | Bibendus | lol |
| 21:18.41 | JademusSreg | Just pointing it out. |
| 21:18.48 | IskatuMesk | they knew I might try to make graphics |
| 21:18.50 | IskatuMesk | couldn't have that |
| 21:18.52 | zenx1 | I was hoping it would stop autocasting units from following targets, but it doesnt.... |
| 21:19.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | I mean...aerial battles were shown on the box of WotLK... |
| 21:19.00 | zenx1 | so I was wondering if its a bug or some other use for it |
| 21:19.26 | Bibendus | but I remember that too |
| 21:19.29 | IskatuMesk | wotlk had aerial battles |
| 21:19.33 | Bibendus | btw |
| 21:19.43 | Bibendus | that's why blizzard can never talk about upcoming things |
| 21:19.43 | IskatuMesk | it consisted of dropping onto the naxx stone and thunderstorming people to their death |
| 21:19.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | additionally, I think that you guys would rather us have a solidly working suite of tools for you to use rather than something we rushed out that could theoretically mangle your assets |
| 21:19.49 | Bibendus | because if they can't make it in time people complains :P |
| 21:19.57 | JademusSreg | I had aerial battles in WotLK! I sneak onto Alliance ships and get killed. |
| 21:19.59 | IskatuMesk | don't you have a plugin you used from alpha to hots? |
| 21:20.09 | Bibendus | blizz always does what it needs |
| 21:20.12 | Bibendus | in double time |
| 21:20.15 | Bibendus | but it does it ;) |
| 21:20.29 | JademusSreg | No doubt. Quality is of the utmost importance. |
| 21:20.35 | zenx1 | sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo dont distract him |
| 21:20.37 | IskatuMesk | like, the current exporter we have doesn't even export my geometry |
| 21:20.42 | Bibendus | Blizz-Deletarius I suppose there are no news about the map market :P |
| 21:20.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | can't even talk about that Bibendus |
| 21:20.54 | JademusSreg | A tool that worked poorly would cause more trouble than making people wait for a quality tool. |
| 21:20.57 | Bibendus | I know :P |
| 21:21.09 | Bibendus | oh |
| 21:21.12 | Bibendus | did tou try the map? :P |
| 21:21.19 | Bibendus | you |
| 21:22.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | I opened it yesterday, we found a few issues on our-end that was causing performance issues, which was good |
| 21:22.13 | Bibendus | ye artes said that ;) |
| 21:22.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok good |
| 21:22.19 | Bibendus | but |
| 21:22.24 | zenx1 | what map? |
| 21:22.25 | Bibendus | did u try to play it? ;) |
| 21:22.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh, no, I've been busy :( |
| 21:22.37 | Bibendus | the best map ever zen |
| 21:22.40 | Bibendus | aww |
| 21:22.45 | zenx1 | hive keeper? |
| 21:22.46 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's pretty complex, that's for sure |
| 21:22.50 | Bibendus | obviously yes |
| 21:22.50 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:22.58 | Bibendus | and triggers are not fake |
| 21:23.01 | zenx1 | lol you can send them maps to play lol? :D |
| 21:23.02 | Bibendus | all genuine 100% useful |
| 21:23.07 | Bibendus | no |
| 21:23.13 | JademusSreg | But I doubt it's a quality issue with StarTools, but rather a polish issue. Software used internally can be quick-and-dirty, so long as it works; customers aren't going to see it. But pushing software to release means it must meet criteria internallly-used stuff simply needn't. |
| 21:23.15 | Bibendus | I sent it because it had a performance bug on a trigger |
| 21:23.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | we used it for diagnosing a few problems |
| 21:23.22 | Bibendus | the editor, not the game |
| 21:23.26 | IskatuMesk | that's why you release source code jade |
| 21:23.46 | Bibendus | and it was a bug as I said |
| 21:23.48 | IskatuMesk | all things like 3d plugins should come with source code |
| 21:23.56 | Bibendus | not a problem of my awesome computer :P |
| 21:24.19 | JademusSreg | Haha, in an ideal world, perhaps. |
| 21:24.30 | IskatuMesk | in a world where a company is serious about supporting developers |
| 21:24.31 | Bibendus | it wasn't my comp :D |
| 21:24.41 | zenx1 | Btw do blizzard keep anykind of track on infetersting maps on bnet or something? any idea of that? |
| 21:24.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | what do you mean? |
| 21:24.51 | zenx1 | they used to feature maps atleast but didnt work out so well |
| 21:24.55 | Bibendus | ye |
| 21:25.00 | Bibendus | you guys featured some maps |
| 21:25.04 | Bibendus | for a small period of time |
| 21:25.09 | Bibendus | and crush company was the first :P |
| 21:25.13 | Bibendus | like 2 years ago |
| 21:25.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh |
| 21:25.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | I have no idea about any plans for things along those lines |
| 21:25.30 | Bibendus | so I suppose you used to play our maps |
| 21:25.55 | zenx1 | And in EU they have the feature on arcade and as expected they just put their own maps there :D |
| 21:25.58 | Bibendus | but then my map was unplayable cuz of the bnet input lag :| |
| 21:25.59 | zenx1 | which is just plain sad |
| 21:26.03 | Bibendus | and i had to stop the development |
| 21:26.13 | Helral | meow |
| 21:26.17 | Bibendus | and I needed to do the same with another map |
| 21:26.20 | Bibendus | welcome back hel |
| 21:26.21 | Hobrow | meow |
| 21:26.22 | JademusSreg | Well, modders are like barnacles; they'll anchor themselves wherever they can. And while they may enrich the ecosystem, they infrequently benefit a host-game directly. |
| 21:26.30 | Totservis | kitty-kitty-kitty :D |
| 21:26.36 | Helral | meows |
| 21:26.51 | Bibendus | and on hive keeper I can't use my awesome mouse highlight trigger |
| 21:27.00 | Bibendus | because mouse cursor movement detection lags too |
| 21:27.09 | Bibendus | yee |
| 21:27.31 | Bibendus | so i'm stuck with a clunky 123123 commands system |
| 21:27.35 | Bibendus | that I could have done with just 1 |
| 21:27.47 | Bibendus | please find a solution to the lag :| |
| 21:27.54 | Bibendus | input lag |
| 21:28.05 | IskatuMesk | probably forced latency |
| 21:28.16 | IskatuMesk | all of their games have forced latency |
| 21:28.28 | IskatuMesk | compounds any existing problems |
| 21:28.53 | JademusSreg | Well, its the price of synchronous data. Recall modders in WC3 using the asynchronously run code for local player rather poorly; it was probably the biggest cause of dc's. |
| 21:28.58 | Bibendus | yep |
| 21:29.03 | Bibendus | allow us to remove the forced latency |
| 21:29.05 | Bibendus | on custom games :| |
| 21:29.15 | Bibendus | or allow client side scripts |
| 21:29.17 | Helral | Blizz-Deletarius: what is your area of expertise? |
| 21:29.20 | zenx1 | Blizz-Deletarius: btw why is maps limited to 256x256 does blizzard just think its big enough or something? |
| 21:29.21 | Bibendus | he's |
| 21:29.31 | IskatuMesk | probably hardcoded limits zenx1 |
| 21:29.33 | Bibendus | working with the editor |
| 21:29.37 | Bibendus | while artes |
| 21:29.42 | IskatuMesk | they love hardcode :3 |
| 21:29.47 | Bibendus | is working more with art and the new cutscene editor |
| 21:29.53 | Kueken | IskatuMesk: hardcoded = Blizzard decided, its enough :) |
| 21:30.00 | zenx1 | but at somepoint they just decided its large enough right? |
| 21:30.06 | IskatuMesk | or they didn't know what to do |
| 21:30.07 | Bibendus | just decrease the size of units |
| 21:30.08 | Bibendus | and gg |
| 21:30.12 | Bibendus | you hax 512x512 |
| 21:30.14 | Bibendus | the problem is |
| 21:30.22 | Bibendus | I think the pathing |
| 21:30.26 | Bibendus | and memory management |
| 21:30.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | Helral - making the editor easier to work with, looking better, and making it more functional |
| 21:30.41 | Bibendus | about funcionality |
| 21:30.50 | Bibendus | why there is no way to set dialogs a render priority? |
| 21:30.52 | zenx1 | ah yes there are those things too |
| 21:30.56 | Bibendus | only dialog items? |
| 21:30.58 | Blizz-Deletarius | a lot of new iconography for the 1.5 editor, layout setup for the tools, etc |
| 21:31.00 | Bibendus | (by trigger) |
| 21:31.11 | Bibendus | but you can do it by xml editing? |
| 21:31.42 | Bibendus | it seems an important missing functionality |
| 21:31.52 | *** join/#sc2mapster Vailreth (~kvirc@75.108.220.50) |
| 21:32.06 | Helral | hmmmm why can't I hook up the MinimapPanel as a panel inside a dialog? ;p |
| 21:32.19 | Bibendus | lol ;) |
| 21:32.22 | Bibendus | cuz it's blizzard! |
| 21:32.26 | Bibendus | private blizzard |
| 21:32.47 | Bibendus | Blizz-Deletarius today me and Helral tried to solve a problem related to dialogs attached to units |
| 21:32.51 | IskatuMesk | I do not know how long I can force myself to stay conscious |
| 21:33.07 | IskatuMesk | I should try for a week |
| 21:33.08 | Bibendus | the problem is that these dialogs always show on TOP of the game UI |
| 21:33.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | Bibendus, what do you mean? |
| 21:33.47 | Bibendus | showing screen |
| 21:34.03 | Bibendus | http://imageshack.us/f/833/screenshot2011092502445.jpg/ |
| 21:34.13 | JademusSreg | Dialog render priority is always higher than UI frames, yeah? |
| 21:34.22 | Bibendus | the red circles are dialogs attached to units |
| 21:34.24 | Bibendus | yes |
| 21:34.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok |
| 21:34.53 | Bibendus | to hide the dialogs under the game ui |
| 21:35.04 | Bibendus | I had to make a 300 rows trigger |
| 21:35.13 | Bibendus | that's occuping like 50% of my game memory actually |
| 21:35.15 | Bibendus | xD |
| 21:35.30 | JademusSreg | Dialogs and dialong controls have ways of adjusting render priority, with channel and render priority respectively, iirc. |
| 21:35.33 | Bibendus | can't we just have something to fix thiz? |
| 21:35.45 | Bibendus | yes but only by xml |
| 21:35.47 | JademusSreg | So I'm wondering if adjusting that might help/ |
| 21:35.50 | Bibendus | these are added by trigger |
| 21:35.55 | Bibendus | Helral tried all day :P |
| 21:36.02 | Bibendus | and the problem is that |
| 21:36.08 | Bibendus | there are other dialogs |
| 21:36.10 | Mexa | Jademus, I thought you were going to stop sharing your sc2-knowledge:p |
| 21:36.12 | Bibendus | that must show on top |
| 21:36.13 | *** join/#sc2mapster mille25_ (5b052711@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.5.39.17) |
| 21:36.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | gotcha |
| 21:36.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok |
| 21:36.19 | Fate | geez |
| 21:36.24 | Helral | JademusSreg: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/sc2d.png, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/sc2.png, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/sc2p.png |
| 21:36.26 | Bibendus | so is there a solution? |
| 21:36.36 | Fate | is there a cheat that give u minerals ingame? |
| 21:36.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | we're looking into solutions |
| 21:36.44 | Bibendus | Blizz-Artestru wasn't able to fix it :P |
| 21:36.48 | Bibendus | to tell me how to fix it |
| 21:36.50 | Hobrow | minerals 1 1500 |
| 21:36.50 | Bibendus | sry |
| 21:37.06 | mille25_ | hi |
| 21:37.11 | Bibendus | I have 2 possible solutions but they require tonz of work |
| 21:37.12 | Blizz-Deletarius | however if you could post that as a bug in the custom maps forum I can relay it to the appropriate people |
| 21:37.15 | JademusSreg | Last time I looked at the script API, dialog rendering priority can be changed via channel, and dialog controls have render priority property. |
| 21:37.34 | Fate | thy hohrow |
| 21:37.35 | Bibendus | k ill write it |
| 21:37.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | thanks |
| 21:37.57 | Blizz-Deletarius | and if you'd like, create a post as a suggestion as well for what you'd like done about it |
| 21:38.07 | zenx1 | So anoying when they mention forums. We still cannot post in US? |
| 21:38.36 | Bibendus | as default all attached dialogs should be under any other UI layer |
| 21:38.45 | Bibendus | attached to units |
| 21:39.04 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg, I made that demo |
| 21:39.06 | Bibendus | STARCRAFT II FORUMS GAMEPLAY CUSTOM MAPS |
| 21:39.09 | Fate | ah that cheat dosnt wokr^^ |
| 21:39.11 | Bibendus | is this the correct forum section? |
| 21:39.18 | Bibendus | STARCRAFT II => FORUMS => GAMEPLAY => CUSTOM MAPS |
| 21:39.24 | IskatuMesk | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyFUbJv6saw |
| 21:39.27 | IskatuMesk | it's rather short |
| 21:39.31 | IskatuMesk | but I wanted to keep it short |
| 21:39.45 | Bibendus | or bug report? |
| 21:39.51 | Fate | geezz ill make a trigger for mins ... |
| 21:39.53 | JademusSreg | Of course. Best to demonstrate range. |
| 21:40.10 | Helral | Blizz-Deletarius: is it possible to reset the width/height values of UI frames so that it uses the anchors for auto-sizing instead of just centering the frame at that location.... ;p |
| 21:40.48 | Bibendus | 100%? |
| 21:40.50 | Bibendus | does it work? |
| 21:40.51 | zenx1 | Helral: what kind of map you working on? |
| 21:40.51 | JademusSreg | I wonder if the dialog anchor bug was ever fixed. |
| 21:40.53 | Hobrow | * Minerals - Adds the specified amount of minerals to the selected player. |
| 21:41.11 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/AnchorBugs.jpg |
| 21:41.12 | Hobrow | might be minerals amount player |
| 21:41.31 | Bibendus | omg |
| 21:41.33 | Bibendus | where is teh bug |
| 21:41.36 | Bibendus | on all these things? |
| 21:41.38 | Bibendus | :D |
| 21:41.42 | Helral | zenx1: no map, just asking about some old problems to see if they still exist ;p |
| 21:41.51 | zenx1 | aww kk |
| 21:41.51 | JademusSreg | Red being the actual erroneous position, blueish being the correct position. |
| 21:42.05 | mille25_ | nope |
| 21:42.07 | mille25_ | its not fixed. |
| 21:42.10 | Bibendus | are you sure?? |
| 21:42.11 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:42.19 | Bibendus | i never had problems with anchors |
| 21:42.21 | Bibendus | like that :O |
| 21:42.30 | JademusSreg | Relative anchors. |
| 21:42.38 | mille25_ | 8D |
| 21:42.42 | Bibendus | oh double |
| 21:42.44 | Bibendus | anchors |
| 21:42.55 | mille25_ | the minimap in scu is still fucked up cause of that |
| 21:43.01 | mille25_ | and im to lazy to code it back to old |
| 21:43.03 | mille25_ | haha |
| 21:43.08 | Bibendus | do you know that |
| 21:43.11 | Bibendus | if they fix this issue |
| 21:43.12 | JademusSreg | Anchoring a dialog to a dialog, anchor to anchor. Like that scene in Requim For A Dream. |
| 21:43.18 | Bibendus | all the UI around will fuck up |
| 21:43.37 | Bibendus | and all the pissed editors will burn your house? |
| 21:43.38 | mille25_ | well, then the map makers need to fix it. |
| 21:43.39 | mille25_ | its a bug |
| 21:44.02 | JademusSreg | Less than half the relative anchor combinations are correct. |
| 21:44.18 | mille25_ | i also want to add that nearly nobody uses the bugged versions of the anchors |
| 21:44.40 | mille25_ | since i never had problems building UI by using relative anchors |
| 21:44.41 | mille25_ | and ive build ALOT of ui |
| 21:44.50 | JademusSreg | More importantly, relative anchors are the best (and officially prescribed) approach to UI/Dialog layout. |
| 21:45.03 | JademusSreg | So that most them are broken is a bit problematic. |
| 21:45.10 | mille25_ | its a kinda huge bug |
| 21:45.21 | mille25_ | its surprising that it didnt get fixed. |
| 21:45.22 | Helral | JademusSreg: 29/81 ..... |
| 21:45.27 | mille25_ | do you still have the testmap jade? |
| 21:45.29 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:45.34 | JademusSreg | I should still have iut, yes. |
| 21:45.49 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/StarCraft%202/Demos/AnchorBugDemo.SC2Map |
| 21:46.20 | mille25_ | testing |
| 21:46.24 | mille25_ | :) |
| 21:46.30 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:46.51 | mille25_ | lol |
| 21:46.53 | mille25_ | its fixed. |
| 21:46.56 | mille25_ | :D |
| 21:47.00 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
| 21:47.03 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 21:47.10 | mille25_ | i just see red quares |
| 21:47.22 | mille25_ | lol that means my minimap code is fucked up :D |
| 21:47.26 | JademusSreg | That's because I added the blue squares manually. |
| 21:47.33 | mille25_ | oh |
| 21:47.35 | mille25_ | sure. |
| 21:47.42 | mille25_ | ok so |
| 21:47.47 | JademusSreg | Take a screenshot. |
| 21:48.08 | mille25_ | sending in skype. |
| 21:48.14 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 21:48.36 | JademusSreg | launches Photoshop. |
| 21:48.55 | JademusSreg | Not fixed. |
| 21:49.01 | mille25 | ok |
| 21:49.04 | mille25 | for sure my code is correct |
| 21:49.06 | mille25 | haha! |
| 21:49.38 | Tivec | So.. Anyone here available to teach a poor newbie the ropes in the data editor? I need to understand how units and actors work together (or not) and how I can go about creating a unit from scratch (say, a trooper or whatever) |
| 21:49.46 | mille25 | im wondering if we should make a new bug report |
| 21:49.49 | JademusSreg | So I retract my previous Hahaha and respond with a Hahaha with a different subtext. |
| 21:49.53 | Bibendus | Blizz-Deletarius that: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6352955634 |
| 21:49.55 | Bibendus | reported |
| 21:50.19 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Thanks Bibendus, it's very helpful when a post is created so that we can route it to the appropriate developer. |
| 21:50.37 | Bibendus | is there a forum for editor suggestions? |
| 21:50.40 | mille25 | bibendus |
| 21:50.43 | Bibendus | wut |
| 21:50.45 | mille25 | one question |
| 21:50.48 | Blizz-Artestru_ | And so that everyone can see the response (when there's one) instead of just those logged into chat at the time. :) |
| 21:50.52 | JademusSreg | Hey Philipp, wanna post this bug on the forum? =D |
| 21:50.55 | mille25 | did you try to change the render priority of the dialog manually? |
| 21:50.56 | Bibendus | oh cmon |
| 21:50.58 | Bibendus | noone answers |
| 21:50.59 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:51.03 | Bibendus | mille |
| 21:51.06 | Bibendus | they are added by trigger |
| 21:51.08 | Bibendus | so I can't |
| 21:51.12 | mille25 | huh? |
| 21:51.22 | Bibendus | dialogs attached to units |
| 21:51.26 | Bibendus | are added by trigger |
| 21:51.31 | JademusSreg | Bib is saying he doesn't know about render priority. |
| 21:51.34 | Bibendus | and you can't set a dialog render priority by trigger |
| 21:51.36 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:51.38 | Bibendus | I know |
| 21:51.40 | Bibendus | fuuuuu |
| 21:51.48 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 21:51.57 | mille25_ | ok stop here |
| 21:52.02 | Bibendus | stopped! |
| 21:52.08 | mille25_ | first off, the dialog must be created by you before being attached to a unit |
| 21:52.12 | mille25_ | so you have control over it. |
| 21:52.19 | Bibendus | well I have a lot of them |
| 21:52.30 | Bibendus | I create one for each unit |
| 21:52.35 | mille25_ | so? |
| 21:52.43 | mille25_ | also there is stuff like this: |
| 21:52.44 | Bibendus | so can I create 1 dialog by xml |
| 21:52.47 | mille25_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.51 | Bibendus | and then use it for more of them? |
| 21:52.52 | mille25_ | tested that? |
| 21:52.54 | JademusSreg | Anyway, obligatory "I'm not modding SC2 anymo" notice here. I'll bbl; these horses held cannot remain stationary. =D |
| 21:53.04 | Bibendus | no because I searched for what that was for |
| 21:53.07 | Bibendus | and I couldn't find it |
| 21:53.27 | Hobrow | for that |
| 21:53.49 | Bibendus | note to Blizz-Deletarius: improve tooltip for trigger: Set Dialog RTT Channel |
| 21:53.59 | Blizz-Artestru_ | RTT is for Render to Texture |
| 21:54.02 | Bibendus | aaaaaand |
| 21:54.06 | Bibendus | what's that :D |
| 21:54.23 | Blizz-Artestru_ | It allows you to render a camera's viewport onto a texture. |
| 21:54.29 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Like a TV screen. |
| 21:54.32 | Bibendus | oh |
| 21:54.35 | Bibendus | used for the UI? |
| 21:54.37 | Bibendus | I mean |
| 21:54.42 | Bibendus | for the ui frames |
| 21:54.46 | Bibendus | and portrait? |
| 21:55.13 | Blizz-Artestru_ | In all honesty, I'm not entirely sure how it works in regards to dialogs. But that's what RTT stands for. It's also a feature in the Cutscene Editor. |
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| 21:55.21 | Bibendus | the problem is that |
| 21:55.33 | Bibendus | it takes an integer (channel) as argoument |
| 21:55.37 | Bibendus | and I don't know wtf is that |
| 21:55.57 | Hobrow | try it? |
| 21:56.00 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Yes, so RTT has 8 channels. A camera can be set to bind to a specific channel, and then all materials that are set to render that RTT channel will do so. |
| 21:56.18 | Icebane|AFK | Speaking of dialogs, will the editor ever get dialogs that automatically scales after aspect ratio? |
| 21:56.39 | Bibendus | :O |
| 21:57.45 | zenx1 | I dont think dialogs have any need to scale to resolutioN :/ |
| 21:57.53 | Hobrow | couldnt you just say that it makes A render on top of B or B on top of A? |
| 21:58.14 | Bibendus | ye |
| 21:58.16 | Bibendus | render priority on dialogs |
| 21:58.18 | Bibendus | would be nice |
| 21:58.33 | mille25_ | ok bibendus i did some tests |
| 21:58.34 | Bibendus | but still it would be related only to dialogs added by trigger |
| 21:58.43 | Bibendus | did u find anything? |
| 21:58.43 | mille25_ | it doesnt seem to be possible to get the dialog behind the default ui =/ |
| 21:58.46 | Ahli | evening! wow, blizzard is much more informed than I expected them to be... |
| 21:58.48 | Bibendus | lol |
| 21:58.58 | Bibendus | thanks for the confirm :P |
| 21:59.03 | Ahli | I just returned from my gamescom trip. |
| 21:59.07 | mille25_ | :P |
| 21:59.07 | Bibendus | because he's the artist/cinematic guy |
| 21:59.12 | zenx1 | people talking all technical stuff today |
| 21:59.14 | Bibendus | he knows everything about rendering, textures and whatever |
| 21:59.21 | Bibendus | he did the cutscene editor |
| 21:59.40 | Bibendus | I didn't understand a word of what he said about channels and materials :P |
| 21:59.50 | Hobrow | xD |
| 21:59.53 | Icebane | zenx1 wrong, I've already had problems with that, dialogs that in some aspect ratios are to big for the screen. |
| 22:00.02 | Bibendus | but sure that's not the trigger I need |
| 22:00.09 | Bibendus | for render priority |
| 22:00.25 | Bibendus | Ahli how was that |
| 22:00.27 | Bibendus | just 1 day? |
| 22:00.34 | Hobrow | icebane, just make them for the lowes resolution and it will be fine for all |
| 22:00.41 | Hobrow | other |
| 22:00.42 | Helral | mille25_: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/sc2p.png ;p (but that doesn't allow dialogs in front of the GameUI) |
| 22:00.45 | zenx1 | well yes its a matter of design for me. You cannot clump up dialogs too much so they fit for all sizes ^^ |
| 22:00.47 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Heh, Bibendus: I'll just say that you probably don't care about RTT for your problem, so you can safely ignore it. :) |
| 22:00.55 | Bibendus | yep |
| 22:00.56 | Icebane | Its not about the resolution, it's about the aspect-ratio, the resolution is irrelevant. |
| 22:01.00 | Bibendus | we just miss |
| 22:01.06 | Bibendus | a dialog render priority trigger |
| 22:01.10 | Blizz-Artestru_ | And unless I'm missing something, I believe there is no way to do what you want with dialogs. We've added it to the list for us to investigate. |
| 22:01.21 | Bibendus | k thanks |
| 22:01.29 | Bibendus | I don't know if I should waste time to fix it or not :P |
| 22:01.40 | Bibendus | because if it's blizzard time |
| 22:01.53 | Icebane | Change your method instead maybe? ;) |
| 22:01.56 | Bibendus | well... I don't have soo much time :P |
| 22:02.16 | Bibendus | http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/373/screenshot2011092502445.jpg |
| 22:02.17 | Bibendus | can't |
| 22:02.21 | Bibendus | i haz to attach these to units |
| 22:02.27 | Ahli | gamescom lasts till sunday I think. But I've learned a lot about Blizzard and left a lot of my inputs there. Xordiah is an awesome person. |
| 22:02.42 | Bibendus | huh |
| 22:02.42 | Hobrow | 2(Icebane2): nope if build your dialogs for the lowes resolution they will fit every single aspect-ratio |
| 22:02.45 | Bibendus | who is xord |
| 22:03.02 | zenx1 | yes exactly |
| 22:03.07 | zenx1 | who |
| 22:03.13 | mille25 | i saw the video of the blizzard area at gamescom, looks amazing |
| 22:03.16 | zenx1 | what did they even present there? |
| 22:03.27 | Bibendus | mop trailer |
| 22:03.28 | Bibendus | is awesome :P |
| 22:03.43 | Hobrow | it was funny, yes |
| 22:03.49 | Bibendus | it was so serious at the beginning |
| 22:03.51 | Bibendus | and then |
| 22:03.52 | mille25 | most awesome trailer is still classic. |
| 22:03.52 | Bibendus | LOL |
| 22:04.12 | Icebane | Are you sure about this Hobrow? |
| 22:04.20 | Hobrow | yes i tryed it myself |
| 22:04.23 | Bibendus | yes |
| 22:04.27 | Bibendus | it's just aspect ratio |
| 22:04.44 | Bibendus | I think it's all calculated using the max resolution possible |
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| 22:04.46 | Bibendus | and then resized |
| 22:05.35 | Hobrow | just test it in windowed mode |
| 22:05.44 | Hobrow | and make your window as small as possible |
| 22:06.19 | Ahli | Xordiah is a/the German community manager. |
| 22:06.28 | Vailreth | i know its not the time but happy Falker Satherhood to any whom it applies |
| 22:06.50 | Hobrow | if your dialogs work in that window they will work in every other aspect ratio |
| 22:07.19 | Hobrow | only that youll have some empty space in some places |
| 22:07.34 | Bibendus | oh k |
| 22:07.42 | Bibendus | what did he talk about |
| 22:08.56 | Icebane | Nice trick Hobrow, thanks |
| 22:09.51 | Hobrow | no problem |
| 22:10.02 | Hobrow | ahli are you going to tell us or not? :D |
| 22:10.23 | Hobrow | or are you writing an essay? ;) |
| 22:10.37 | Ashamed | Time to go ta fuck home |
| 22:10.37 | Ashamed | pce |
| 22:10.44 | Mexa | [00:02] <Hobrow> (Icebane): nope if build your dialogs for the lowes resolution they will fit every single aspect-ratio. -That's not entirely accurate. |
| 22:10.58 | Ahli | no. I think I mostly forgot everything because I've learned and saw so much today |
| 22:10.59 | Mexa | If you want to build it to fit all resolutions, then the aspect ratio must be 5:4 |
| 22:11.06 | JademusSreg | (Could enabled visibility of the dialogs based on the unit's position within a rect representing the camera's view. Less than optimal, but passable.) |
| 22:11.21 | Bibendus | or just test |
| 22:11.23 | Mexa | But yes, if you make it fit for 1025x820, then it will fit all other resolutions |
| 22:11.24 | Bibendus | 4:3 |
| 22:11.29 | Bibendus | and then 16:9? |
| 22:11.39 | Ashamed | 16:9 |
| 22:11.52 | Bibendus | mexa how is that possible |
| 22:11.58 | Bibendus | 16:9 is larger then 5:4 |
| 22:12.01 | Ashamed | because gangstaz |
| 22:12.06 | Bibendus | so if you are making a wiiiiiide UI |
| 22:12.13 | Bibendus | it will fit only on 16:9 |
| 22:12.30 | Mexa | correct |
| 22:12.44 | Mexa | Why do you think the battle.net ui leaves so much wasted space on the sides? |
| 22:13.55 | Bibendus | ;) |
| 22:14.03 | Bibendus | to fit the height to the 4:3 |
| 22:14.16 | Bibendus | width |
| 22:14.22 | Bibendus | * |
| 22:14.34 | Mexa | 5:4 is more close a cubric shape than 4:3 |
| 22:14.43 | Mexa | So it has to support 5:4 as well |
| 22:15.18 | Mexa | But for all aspect ratios which isn't 5:4, it will use a with of 1200 as a base |
| 22:15.30 | Mexa | *height |
| 22:15.43 | Mexa | And for 5:4, a height of 1250 is used as bse |
| 22:16.02 | Mexa | And by base I mean dialog ui coordinates. |
| 22:16.27 | Bibendus | well |
| 22:16.32 | Bibendus | if it can support the height of a 4:3 |
| 22:16.37 | Bibendus | and the width of 16:9 |
| 22:16.44 | Bibendus | it will always fit a 5:4 no? |
| 22:16.54 | Bibendus | mmm wait need math |
| 22:16.56 | Bibendus | :P |
| 22:17.31 | Bibendus | fu |
| 22:17.34 | Bibendus | wrong I am |
| 22:17.35 | Bibendus | :D |
| 22:17.41 | Bibendus | 5:4 is even taller |
| 22:17.46 | Bibendus | then 4:3 |
| 22:18.06 | Mexa | If you make a really wide ui, and don't take into cosiderations of anchoring and dimensions, it could look wrong on 5:4 or 4:3 |
| 22:18.46 | Icebane | HP-X|Arthas You still alive and kicking? :D |
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| 22:21.08 | Kueken | I use 5:4, many uis mess up on me :) |
| 22:21.39 | Kueken | most prominent example recently being Dota 2 |
| 22:22.11 | Kueken | and almost every sc2 map with a custom ui :) |
| 22:23.32 | Ahli | implement your ui for 4x3 and you are fine |
| 22:23.58 | Ahli | until we receive a reliable method to receive the dialog coordinate system dimensions of the screen |
| 22:25.49 | Mexa | Something like the percentage of the screen width and screen height would probably be sufficient in most of the cases. |
| 22:26.25 | Mexa | I suppose that's what you are referring to, Ahli |
| 22:28.04 | Fate | HEY ALL |
| 22:28.06 | Ahli | I would like to have something like: the screen is 1600x900 pixels in dialog coordinates big. then you could adapt your UI (move dialogs & hookup UI frames) to make it optimal for the player |
| 22:28.24 | Fate | is someone on EU bnet free for a maptest? |
| 22:29.17 | Fate | it might take about 15 mins |
| 22:31.57 | Fate | -.- |
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| 22:33.11 | nM|Bibendus | a |
| 22:33.14 | Bibendus | a |
| 22:33.41 | Bibendus | it wold be nice to be able to read the player resolution aspect ratio by trigger :| |
| 22:34.02 | Bibendus | Blizz-Artestru_ is that planned somehow? |
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| 22:35.39 | Ahli | they have a lot planned and want a lot to be realized. But they lack the manpower to act quickly enough to realize everything. ^^ |
| 22:35.48 | Blizz-Artestru_ | Sorry, catching up |
| 22:36.14 | Blizz-Artestru_ | I don't know the answer, sorry. |
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| 22:37.24 | Ahli | if they will implement 2 sorts of reviews: 1 for gamers, 1 for mapmaker... you can thank me ;D |
| 22:38.35 | Bibendus | :( |
| 22:38.56 | Bibendus | ahli |
| 22:38.58 | Bibendus | how is that possible |
| 22:39.01 | Bibendus | that blizzard lacks of manpower :P |
| 22:39.14 | Ahli | every game producing company lacks that :S |
| 22:39.20 | Bibendus | ahli |
| 22:39.28 | Bibendus | did you really ask for 2 separated reviews in the arcade? |
| 22:39.47 | Bibendus | that's... brilliant? |
| 22:39.57 | Ahli | I suggested it... |
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| 22:40.22 | Bibendus | let's hope :P |
| 22:40.54 | Fate | LOL Ahli nice one with the reviews |
| 22:41.38 | Bibendus | we should be able to report idiotic reviews |
| 22:41.45 | Bibendus | to delete them |
| 22:41.52 | Bibendus | like the tankful |
| 22:41.59 | Bibendus | but the opposite |
| 22:42.08 | Bibendus | like youtube does with bad comments |
| 22:42.17 | Bibendus | if enough people report them they are automatically hidden |
| 22:42.23 | Ahli | the reviews initially had the intention of being reviews for the gamers only. But I noticed that a few reviews contain bug reports and are therefore addressed to the mapmaker. Also copying the text out of the review to help us translating it via internet. I can't understand the spanish reviews about my map ;S |
| 22:42.33 | Fate | still looking for a maptester on EU BNET |
| 22:42.49 | Ahli | fate, do I need to do something? |
| 22:43.04 | Ahli | I'm lying on my bed because my legs hurt ;D |
| 22:43.08 | Bibendus | lol |
| 22:43.08 | Fate | just jion the game Starhammer 40k - Test |
| 22:43.14 | Fate | and play it wiht me^^ |
| 22:43.23 | Bibendus | oh u mean messages to the mapper |
| 22:43.23 | Bibendus | I tought |
| 22:43.30 | Bibendus | reviews made ONLY by other map makers |
| 22:43.31 | Bibendus | :P |
| 22:43.31 | Ahli | can't be worse than testing hots without grid hotkeys... |
| 22:43.38 | Bibendus | separated by normal guys reviews |
| 22:43.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | I tried grid once |
| 22:44.01 | Fate | its just a test before uploading it to the real version |
| 22:44.02 | Blizz-Deletarius | well...2-3 times |
| 22:44.08 | Blizz-Deletarius | hated it |
| 22:44.13 | Ahli | I knopw command cards... I love grid |
| 22:44.24 | Bibendus | grid is the most universal thing ever |
| 22:44.24 | Ahli | I don't know the other hotkeys ;D |
| 22:44.26 | Bibendus | it's the best :| |
| 22:44.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | as a zerg player a lot of it doesn't make sense at all |
| 22:44.31 | Ahli | indeed ;D |
| 22:44.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | plus, I started out as protoss, so I have this awful, dumb, protoss inspired hotkey set for all 3 races |
| 22:44.50 | Bibendus | better then going for weird hotkeys on the right of the keyboard :| |
| 22:45.08 | Bibendus | that's why grid helps you |
| 22:45.13 | Bibendus | to play with anything :D |
| 22:45.24 | Fate | Ahli will u come?^^ |
| 22:45.26 | Bibendus | even Hive Keeper has a grid hotkeys setup |
| 22:45.27 | Ahli | I don't want to move my left hand to much... I played shooters for years... my fingers belong to wasd |
| 22:45.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | ie, new cc/hatch = n, new gas = a, select larvae + drone = e |
| 22:45.31 | Bibendus | for the custom buttons |
| 22:45.41 | Icebane | hahah |
| 22:45.43 | Bibendus | yeah! |
| 22:45.48 | Icebane | hatchery on N, well that's just crazy |
| 22:45.53 | Bibendus | rofl |
| 22:45.55 | Blizz-Deletarius | N = Nexus |
| 22:46.00 | Bibendus | rofl |
| 22:46.02 | Icebane | H = Hatchery |
| 22:46.03 | Icebane | xD |
| 22:46.07 | Ahli | damn you wolfenstein enemy territory for stealing so much time in my life ;D |
| 22:46.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | eh |
| 22:46.46 | Blizz-Deletarius | I played 3 seasons as protoss, I wanted to switch to zerg, I didn't want to learn an entirely new hotkeys setup |
| 22:46.59 | Icebane | Oh ofc, I can see why |
| 22:47.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | additionally, with spamming s for select larvae then d for drone...there were so many times that I accidentally made my 1st scouting overlord stop instead of continue going |
| 22:47.37 | Ahli | oh damned, I still had my sc2 calibarated to use enUS |
| 22:47.38 | Blizz-Deletarius | because I accidentally still had the OL selected |
| 22:48.03 | Icebane | hah, makes sense tho |
| 22:48.08 | Blizz-Deletarius | right |
| 22:48.14 | Ahli | on teamliquid a few guys made sc2switcher to change where the game connects... they are awesome ;D |
| 22:48.29 | Icebane | I've never bothered switching into grid hotkeys, I really should tho, would prolly speed up my apm quite a lot |
| 22:48.45 | Icebane | what does it switch ahli? |
| 22:48.48 | Blizz-Deletarius | plus I always have 1 as my hatcheries, 2 as scouting drone/army late game, 3 as scouting ol/muta or infestor late game |
| 22:48.50 | Ahli | checking my map's reviews via starter edition :awesome: |
| 22:49.02 | Ahli | it switches where sc2 will connect and which assets it will use |
| 22:49.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | and ergonomically, 1e works, 2a works, 3a works, 1a not so well |
| 22:49.14 | Ahli | so you have where it connects and which language it uses |
| 22:49.36 | Ahli | but I don't think that any of those already implemented all languages... |
| 22:49.42 | Icebane | Cool, so your map changes language dynamically? D |
| 22:49.47 | Icebane | :O |
| 22:49.49 | Ahli | no |
| 22:49.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | cause it's ring finger>index finger for spawning drones |
| 22:49.58 | Icebane | I'm lsot xD |
| 22:50.00 | Icebane | lost* |
| 22:50.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | anyway |
| 22:50.11 | Ahli | my sc2 connects to US or EU. that way I was able to delete 2 sc2 installations without limitation ;D |
| 22:50.27 | Icebane | makes sense Deltarius |
| 22:50.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | :) |
| 22:50.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | I like to think so |
| 22:50.53 | Icebane | (at least in your head ;) ) |
| 22:50.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | I've been toying around with a pseudo grid setup for upgrades and all that |
| 22:50.58 | Ahli | spawning drones = spam q |
| 22:51.06 | Blizz-Deletarius | hold e for me |
| 22:51.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | selects and spawns them |
| 22:51.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | 1eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 22:51.34 | Icebane | cooool, so you mean you can hippety-hop between the servers as you like? |
| 22:51.42 | Blizz-Deletarius | 1 = ring finger, e = index finger |
| 22:51.58 | Blizz-Deletarius | jump between bases with mouse button 4 |
| 22:52.10 | Icebane | thats cool |
| 22:52.18 | Blizz-Deletarius | yeap |
| 22:52.39 | Icebane | I stopped playing melee when I realised I will never make it to master xD |
| 22:53.00 | Blizz-Deletarius | I've been banging my head trying to break out of my current rank for about 5 seasons |
| 22:53.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | league* |
| 22:53.16 | Ahli | pro tip, lower the delay until your OS repeats the input... holding the button to build stuff becomes waaaaaaaay faster |
| 22:54.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | done, good call |
| 22:54.51 | Bibendus | and use grid keys |
| 22:54.52 | Bibendus | :P |
| 22:54.55 | Bibendus | (pro tip) |
| 22:54.56 | Bibendus | :P |
| 22:55.16 | Kueken | bbuut soomettimes yoou ennd uup tyypiing llike this |
| 22:55.26 | Bibendus | said by a guy that did like 10 sc2 melee matches in his whole life |
| 22:55.33 | Kueken | more than me |
| 22:55.39 | Bibendus | lol |
| 22:55.44 | Bibendus | are you mapping only like me? :D |
| 22:55.51 | Kueken | yep |
| 22:56.00 | Kueken | add in a little funmap here and there |
| 22:56.00 | Bibendus | we map editors don't have time to play |
| 22:56.05 | Bibendus | cuz the editor is slowwwwwww |
| 22:56.09 | Bibendus | fix it plz |
| 22:56.10 | Bibendus | :D |
| 22:56.28 | Bibendus | I tried to custom map |
| 22:56.31 | Bibendus | to play them |
| 22:56.39 | Icebane | Nowadays I do some mapping, UDK and play Eve ONline on my secondary monitor ^^ |
| 22:56.43 | Bibendus | I tried mafia... I was killed at the first round... I'll never play mafia again |
| 22:57.51 | Icebane | Mafia was kinda cool, but way to punishing for new players I think |
| 22:58.29 | Bibendus | a game can't be considered good |
| 22:58.39 | Bibendus | if you have the chance of loose after 30 seconds |
| 22:58.41 | Icebane | Funniest so far I think is MineralZ |
| 22:58.50 | Bibendus | yea i tried it |
| 22:58.51 | Bibendus | simple |
| 22:58.55 | Bibendus | not bad |
| 22:59.00 | Icebane | Hey are you on EU? |
| 22:59.02 | Bibendus | well i tried 5 mins |
| 22:59.05 | Bibendus | eu and us |
| 22:59.09 | Bibendus | no I don't want to playit |
| 22:59.09 | Icebane | Cause I need to test my map really |
| 22:59.14 | Icebane | (yeah right you told me) |
| 22:59.19 | Bibendus | what map? |
| 22:59.28 | Icebane | Still unnannounced |
| 22:59.33 | Bibendus | oooh |
| 22:59.43 | Bibendus | well |
| 22:59.46 | Icebane | thats a lot of n's |
| 22:59.55 | Bibendus | I have to test some game lobby game modes too |
| 23:00.09 | Icebane | Alright, let's go for a round shall we? =) |
| 23:01.03 | Bibendus | i only need |
| 23:01.05 | Bibendus | like 5 minutes |
| 23:01.11 | Bibendus | the time of starting the map with different modes |
| 23:01.17 | Bibendus | but I have to do a trigger first |
| 23:01.36 | Icebane | oh no worries I'll wait |
| 23:03.33 | Bibendus | it will be fast |
| 23:03.46 | Icebane | Dun worry, take your time |
| 23:03.52 | Icebane | I'll just test my map on my own a bit |
| 23:04.08 | Bibendus | k done |
| 23:04.12 | Bibendus | need to publish |
| 23:05.07 | Bibendus | Blizz-Deletarius can something be done for mappers that publish on different regions? |
| 23:05.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | as far as? |
| 23:05.31 | Bibendus | with 1.5 |
| 23:05.31 | Ahli | spend us accounts ! |
| 23:05.41 | Ahli | *licenses |
| 23:05.43 | Bibendus | wait |
| 23:05.44 | Bibendus | before 1. |
| 23:05.45 | Bibendus | 1.5 |
| 23:05.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | no I mean...what do you want to be done? |
| 23:05.55 | Bibendus | we could change the registry key to publish on different servers |
| 23:05.58 | Ahli | we raise the value of your product. :D |
| 23:06.03 | Bibendus | with 1.5 |
| 23:06.10 | Bibendus | after the key is changed we need to RESTART the editor |
| 23:06.33 | Blizz-Deletarius | uhhhh |
| 23:06.39 | Bibendus | and the game clients for logging on different servers |
| 23:06.49 | Bibendus | have a problem to |
| 23:07.02 | Bibendus | even if I have client EU and NA installed |
| 23:07.20 | Bibendus | from 1.5 I have to change server values in |
| 23:07.27 | Bibendus | documents/starcraft II/Variables.txt |
| 23:07.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | have you thought about automating the process via batch files? |
| 23:07.42 | Bibendus | else I receive a message about a not valid language pack |
| 23:07.48 | Bibendus | :| |
| 23:07.58 | Bibendus | I can't do the thing of the editor however |
| 23:07.59 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's how I play on NA/EU/KR |
| 23:08.00 | Bibendus | I have to restart it :| |
| 23:08.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | sec |
| 23:08.21 | Bibendus | can't we just have an option inside the editor |
| 23:08.25 | Bibendus | that asks for the server? |
| 23:08.46 | Blizz-Deletarius | afk 1 sec...I have an idea but I have to run it past someone |
| 23:09.19 | Bibendus | kk |
| 23:11.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | Bibendus, person's away from their desk, so I can't ask them right now, but in the mean-time, please post the suggestion in the thread? |
| 23:11.23 | Bibendus | where is it :O |
| 23:11.35 | Blizz-Deletarius | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6307501153 |
| 23:11.52 | Bibendus | k |
| 23:12.02 | Bibendus | because I think I saw an option where I can choose server |
| 23:12.08 | Bibendus | but there is only default selected |
| 23:12.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | in 1.5.0? |
| 23:12.26 | Bibendus | yes |
| 23:12.28 | Bibendus | Regions |
| 23:12.32 | Blizz-Deletarius | ok...1 sec |
| 23:12.37 | Bibendus | now Americas appeared :O |
| 23:12.40 | Bibendus | but I have no europe |
| 23:12.58 | Bibendus | file => preferences => b.net |
| 23:13.48 | Blizz-Deletarius | hmmmmm |
| 23:14.07 | Bibendus | but its not working |
| 23:14.09 | Bibendus | I choose america |
| 23:14.12 | Bibendus | and it logs me in europe |
| 23:14.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | well, like I mentioned, I want to ma |
| 23:14.19 | Blizz-Deletarius | might be a bug |
| 23:14.28 | Blizz-Deletarius | write a rept for it pls? |
| 23:14.53 | Bibendus | its not a bug |
| 23:14.58 | Bibendus | it's a half done feature :| |
| 23:15.06 | Blizz-Deletarius | alright |
| 23:15.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | well |
| 23:15.11 | Bibendus | where do I write it now |
| 23:15.11 | Bibendus | lol |
| 23:15.16 | Bibendus | is that a suggestion or a bug |
| 23:15.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | suggestion |
| 23:15.23 | Blizz-Deletarius | I suppose |
| 23:15.37 | Blizz-Deletarius | anyway, like I said, I'll be able to check something with someone |
| 23:15.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | when they're out of their meeting |
| 23:15.57 | Bibendus | uhhh secret blizzard meeting |
| 23:16.02 | Bibendus | I would like to hear what they are sayin :P |
| 23:16.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster RipperRoo (~RipperRoo@p57902FD7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:16.20 | Ahli | I assume their meetings are periodically |
| 23:16.27 | Bibendus | yes but still |
| 23:16.30 | Bibendus | they are blizzard meetings |
| 23:16.35 | Bibendus | they can't be annoying ! |
| 23:16.42 | Bibendus | they must be awesome!!!!! |
| 23:17.25 | Ahli | like in the jace hall show or however it is called |
| 23:18.00 | Bibendus | right click detection on dialogs |
| 23:18.01 | Bibendus | omg NEED IT |
| 23:20.16 | Ahli | I saw mr kim today :D |
| 23:20.44 | Ahli | he just sat down in the crowd watching IEM and nobody cared... maybe I was the only one who noticed it ;D |
| 23:20.46 | RipperRoo | i got 3 autogrphas :P |
| 23:21.27 | RipperRoo | u poser^^ |
| 23:21.54 | Ahli | http://www.ign.com/videos/2010/02/22/jace-hall-show-starcraft-2-developer-meeting-and-demo |
| 23:22.23 | Ahli | it just must be like that. why should they take so long, if they wouldn't do that? ^^ |
| 23:23.43 | Blizz-Deletarius | nerf david kim |
| 23:24.13 | RipperRoo | oh we have to report that |
| 23:24.34 | Blizz-Deletarius | what, that d.kim should be nerfed? |
| 23:24.59 | Bibendus | uh ahli |
| 23:25.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's common knowledge: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/David_Kim |
| 23:25.10 | Bibendus | was that the only dev thing? |
| 23:26.06 | RipperRoo | i saw some of the replays of him before WoL release ^^ |
| 23:26.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | what only dev thing? |
| 23:26.11 | Ahli | uhm... I'm sorry. I can't follow your thoughts. Could you elaborate the matter for me, please? |
| 23:26.22 | RipperRoo | when was pretty n1 blinking with stalkers |
| 23:26.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | he's pretty good |
| 23:26.50 | Blizz-Deletarius | and by that I mean |
| 23:26.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | way too good |
| 23:26.58 | Blizz-Deletarius | especially as random |
| 23:27.22 | Ahli | it's basically his job and that's how he can verify his work... |
| 23:27.57 | RipperRoo | and he is honest about useless abilities in WoL ^^ |
| 23:28.15 | Ahli | I saw carriers versus battlecruisers today!!! live! |
| 23:28.33 | Blizz-Deletarius | were Hydras being used in other games? |
| 23:28.38 | Ahli | MC doesn't want carriers to be removed |
| 23:28.42 | Bibendus | the video deletar |
| 23:28.43 | Blizz-Deletarius | if so the world would probably end |
| 23:29.02 | RipperRoo | Noone wants Carriers to be removed.. :( |
| 23:29.05 | Ahli | I didn't see hydras outside Hots today I think. I had not much time to see a lot of sc2 matches |
| 23:29.08 | Blizz-Deletarius | who's noone? ;p |
| 23:29.27 | RipperRoo | like everyone .. but none of them.. i think :D |
| 23:29.38 | Blizz-Deletarius | joke went way over your head |
| 23:30.09 | RipperRoo | we asked some german pros about hots and they said swarm host anre too weak >.< |
| 23:30.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | meeting time for me now |
| 23:30.32 | Ahli | not even in beta! |
| 23:30.43 | Blizz-Deletarius | swarm host are odd, I've tried using them before and gotten obliterated, other people have used them vs me and have obliterated me |
| 23:30.51 | Blizz-Deletarius | they're not a unit you use just on their own |
| 23:31.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | just like broodlords |
| 23:31.23 | RipperRoo | yeah ok it was their first hots match so maybe they need more time with it but they like viper very much... |
| 23:31.25 | Blizz-Deletarius | think of them as land-based brood-lords that can burrow and send out broodlings at set intervals |
| 23:31.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | with a much farther range |
| 23:32.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | anyway, afk |
| 23:32.19 | RipperRoo | well i cant comment because i only tried terrans :) ok thx |
| 23:32.49 | Ahli | the handling with the ultralisk charge and cliffs needs to be improved |
| 23:33.18 | Ahli | ultras can walk around a lot of buildings while charging without problems... but you can't send them across/around cliffs with charge |
| 23:37.15 | Bibendus | i m writing some cool things |
| 23:37.22 | Bibendus | for you Blizz-Deletarius ;) |
| 23:37.24 | Ahli | bibendus, I got the info today that the first hots beta versions won't have the editor. It will come with later updates just like WoL beta. Also hots editor receives some additions, but I don't know details. :S but let's hope that it might change till then... |
| 23:37.27 | Bibendus | in the suggestions thread |
| 23:37.35 | Bibendus | O_O |
| 23:37.47 | Bibendus | weird |
| 23:43.40 | Icebane | Hows it going Bibendus? ^^ |
| 23:43.50 | Bibendus | sry I'm writing a suggestion post |
| 23:43.51 | Bibendus | on forums :P |
| 23:45.05 | Icebane | Oh, it's alright |
| 23:45.28 | Bibendus | when I finish it i'll come ;) |
