| 00:00.05 | Taintedwisp | dont do it on april foold |
| 00:00.11 | Taintedwisp | then people wont believe it |
| 00:00.15 | Kueken | make it like its a leaked boss from the hots campaign |
| 00:00.20 | Taintedwisp | and submit it to xplay and sites like that lawl |
| 00:00.26 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
| 00:00.27 | Kueken | cal it Heimdall the gatekeeper |
| 00:00.30 | Mexa | Kueken, I do like the mousecontrolled spell-casting system you made |
| 00:00.34 | Taintedwisp | See if we cant make a HUGE rumor |
| 00:00.37 | Kueken | put it on a bridge |
| 00:00.49 | tordy_ | what mouse controlled spell-casting system |
| 00:00.51 | Taintedwisp | you see... your kidding... im not |
| 00:00.52 | Kueken | and set up a kerrigan + zerg army, who needs to destroy it |
| 00:00.53 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 00:00.54 | Ahli | Blizzard guys. I would like to make you aware of this: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/40632-instant-kill-cheater-word-wars/ It seems like someone can send event packets based on user input in arcade maps to start triggers. But maybe you already know about that. |
| 00:01.32 | Mexa | Ah MrNukealizer |
| 00:01.44 | Mexa | That name is recognizable from d3scene |
| 00:01.44 | tordy_ | Nuckealizer made a bank signer |
| 00:01.50 | Kueken | Mexa yeah, really need to make a working map from that :D |
| 00:01.51 | tordy_ | and maphacks |
| 00:02.01 | Mexa | yup |
| 00:02.08 | Kueken | knowing me I might never finish it, though |
| 00:02.17 | tordy_ | so yea dont 100% rely on blizz's bank signatures |
| 00:02.35 | Taintedwisp | yeah, i still have a version of SOTIS in my map files lawl |
| 00:02.42 | Taintedwisp | with triggers and all |
| 00:02.45 | Blizz-Deletarius | hm |
| 00:02.57 | Mexa | tordy_, considering the signature hash algoritm is made client-side. |
| 00:03.03 | tordy_ | that too |
| 00:04.09 | tordy_ | you know what they say about short men and tall women |
| 00:04.49 | Kueken | "when you hug them, your head is between their breasts"? |
| 00:05.07 | Blizz-Tenarsis | anyone experience bad lag editing triggers and willing to email me an unlocked copy of their map or mod? |
| 00:05.26 | Kueken | using galaxy script, running smooth |
| 00:05.52 | tordy_ | i tried opening a map with many triggers |
| 00:05.56 | tordy_ | just took a long time to load |
| 00:06.01 | tordy_ | but while editing it's not too bad |
| 00:06.13 | Mexa | "Sorry to disappoint, but that's not me. That's my ex-friend who stole my name. Looks like he learned a thing or two about hacking though..." ~Mr Nukealizer |
| 00:06.17 | Ahli | wasn't my map big enough? you can copy everything to have more ;) |
| 00:06.36 | Kueken | he probably wants more examples ^^ |
| 00:07.15 | Blizz-Tenarsis | we're just trying to collect more test cases :) not everyone may be running into the same issue |
| 00:07.21 | tordy_ | maybe those that're experiencing slowness have old/slow harddrives? |
| 00:07.57 | Mexa | Kueken, is your galaxy syntax highlighting correct? |
| 00:08.12 | tordy_ | altho i notice the editor using an unusually large amount CPU resources |
| 00:08.13 | Ahli | I have the impression the lag is more influenced by the age of the function than the position of the code in the galaxyscript file. Creating a copy of the function and editing that and replacing the code then is faster than editing in the original. |
| 00:08.14 | Kueken | no idea, never turned it on |
| 00:08.22 | Mexa | turned it on? |
| 00:08.26 | Kueken | I use an external editor |
| 00:08.33 | Mexa | Oh. |
| 00:08.48 | Mexa | Meh, thought you meant in the editor. |
| 00:09.06 | Kueken | yes, browsed through it, changed some things |
| 00:09.12 | Kueken | runs sommthly ^^ |
| 00:09.16 | Kueken | *smoothly |
| 00:09.33 | Kueken | but then again, its with highlighting turned off |
| 00:09.37 | Mexa | Tenarsis, not sure if it still is there or not, but I have had issues that the galaxy script occasionally messes up and starts coloring random characters. |
| 00:09.42 | tordy_ | just putting focus on the trigger editor with no map opened |
| 00:09.45 | tordy_ | uses 25% CPU |
| 00:10.29 | tordy_ | im by no means using a powerful CPu but not it's not super weak either |
| 00:10.45 | tordy_ | laptop sandy bridge dual-core |
| 00:11.52 | tordy_ | i expect something like the trigger editor to run well on even a pentium 4 |
| 00:12.28 | Kueken | the editor as a whole takes quite a toll on my cpu |
| 00:12.37 | Ahli | I've full core usage, too. the editor needs to be focused, though. |
| 00:13.51 | KamiKami | there's no way to publish a map on the na server with an eu account? |
| 00:14.06 | Ahli | I wish the tabs in the trigger editor (yes there are tabs) would save the position where you scrolled in the tab instead of starting at the top on changing the tab. |
| 00:14.42 | Ahli | KamiKami, no. You would need to make some friends in the US to be able to publish. |
| 00:15.34 | Mexa | Looks like color highlighting works for now. Never mind. |
| 00:17.32 | Blizz-Tenarsis | I fixed the load time for syntax highlighting but there will be a weird bug when scrolling with mouse wheel - unavoidable without a custom text edit control rather than using the built-in rich edit control from Microsoft |
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| 00:19.27 | Deaod | could you add color to the list of variable types highlighted? |
| 00:19.34 | Deaod | it currently isnt |
| 00:20.23 | Mexa | Oh yeah, I remember the scroll issue. |
| 00:20.48 | Mexa | You say it's unavoidable. But the bug occured after the arcade beta |
| 00:20.54 | Mexa | *arcade patch |
| 00:21.08 | Mexa | It was there in the beta version too, but not before. |
| 00:21.26 | Kueken | before were probably the highlighting errors ;) |
| 00:21.33 | Kueken | can either have the one or the other |
| 00:21.35 | Blizz-Tenarsis | the scrolling isn't wasn't there in 1.4.3 but it had horrible load time on large files, you basically can only have one or the other |
| 00:21.47 | Blizz-Tenarsis | isn't = issue... getting tired :) |
| 00:21.51 | Mexa | :( I see |
| 00:22.31 | Mexa | Deaod, is color the only type missing? |
| 00:22.43 | Deaod | let me test |
| 00:22.51 | Mexa | I mean, silly that char would even be, when it's useless. |
| 00:22.54 | Blizz-Tenarsis | hmm you're right there are types missing |
| 00:22.56 | Kueken | there are more... let me look up the thread |
| 00:23.03 | Kueken | not sure |
| 00:23.06 | Kueken | is byte there? |
| 00:23.19 | Deaod | color and doodad are the only ones on my list |
| 00:23.27 | Kueken | byte is technically a type, but it cannot be used by anything anyway |
| 00:23.40 | Deaod | char |
| 00:23.48 | Deaod | youre thinking of char |
| 00:24.06 | Mexa | Oh yeah speaking of which. Could you explain why the 'char' type even is a type at all? It's never used by any natives, and it's usefulnes could just as well be replaced with a byte. |
| 00:24.26 | Deaod | galaxy even has char values |
| 00:24.28 | Deaod | 'a' |
| 00:24.30 | Kueken | uh ja, char was the unuseable one |
| 00:24.45 | Mexa | Yeah, but what's the point? |
| 00:24.50 | Deaod | there is none |
| 00:25.02 | Deaod | char values cant be cast to any other variable type |
| 00:25.32 | Kueken | its there to help designing your code |
| 00:25.36 | Kueken | make it look pretty |
| 00:25.38 | Mexa | In what way? |
| 00:25.40 | Mexa | hah |
| 00:25.55 | Deaod | a char here or there doesnt hurt, does it? |
| 00:26.01 | Blizz-Tenarsis | ill fix the missing types |
| 00:26.04 | Mexa | Because now I can type hello world with a char array:p? |
| 00:26.15 | Kueken | you can? |
| 00:26.28 | Kueken | you cannot even print them, right? |
| 00:26.33 | Mexa | Exactly |
| 00:26.43 | Deaod | the debug view should display them correctly though |
| 00:26.54 | Kueken | :D |
| 00:27.10 | Kueken | so it boils down to atristical use only |
| 00:27.15 | Kueken | *artistical |
| 00:27.25 | Mexa | Have you used them ever, Kueken? |
| 00:27.33 | Kueken | nope |
| 00:27.42 | Kueken | but same with byte, for that matter |
| 00:27.53 | tordy_ | is there to how many instances a user type can have |
| 00:27.53 | Kueken | and byte might actually make sense in some cases |
| 00:28.03 | Mexa | At elast you can use bytes as they are supposed to be used. |
| 00:28.05 | tordy_ | is there a limit to how many instances a user type can have |
| 00:28.14 | Kueken | try it ;) |
| 00:28.19 | Mexa | And they can be used with bitshifts too. |
| 00:28.52 | Mexa | and bitwise and, or and xor. |
| 00:29.04 | Deaod | byte casts to int |
| 00:29.09 | Deaod | and fixed |
| 00:29.21 | Deaod | so its not completely useless |
| 00:29.48 | Mexa | bytes can be used to save galaxy stack and heap memory too. |
| 00:30.00 | Deaod | im not so sure about that |
| 00:30.14 | Mexa | Oh yes. A byte is stored as a byte |
| 00:30.16 | Kueken | it should be, in theory |
| 00:30.21 | Mexa | a bool is stored as a byte as well. |
| 00:30.29 | Deaod | well, before 1.5, certainly |
| 00:30.31 | Kueken | if a byte consumes the same space as an integer... |
| 00:31.04 | Mexa | If it does. Not sure how it is now, but prior the patch, they saved space. |
| 00:31.45 | Deaod | note that the lower bound they specified in the notes is 4x |
| 00:31.47 | Taintedwisp | Watch this imma tell the future |
| 00:31.49 | Mexa | Say for dialogs for instance. They could efficiently be stored as a byte value instead of as an int. |
| 00:31.54 | Taintedwisp | Blizz devs will go offline in 30 minutes |
| 00:31.58 | Taintedwisp | PYSCHIC!!!!!! |
| 00:32.22 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 00:32.26 | Mexa | Deaod, well, what about that? |
| 00:32.36 | Kueken | well, pre-patch maximum of ~500k integer array, post-patch still 500k |
| 00:32.39 | Mexa | Why would a byte be larger now than before? |
| 00:32.52 | tordy_ | because blizzard |
| 00:32.54 | Kueken | would like to know, where the 4x factor went |
| 00:32.55 | Deaod | alignment |
| 00:33.17 | Mexa | They say 4x times more memory |
| 00:33.27 | Blizz-Tenarsis | bool is actually 4 bytes |
| 00:33.34 | tordy_ | whyyyyyyyyy |
| 00:33.38 | Mexa | Really? |
| 00:33.44 | Blizz-Tenarsis | Kueken I explained this earlier |
| 00:33.47 | tordy_ | that's worse than the way java did it :[ |
| 00:33.52 | tordy_ | java's bool is 1 byte |
| 00:33.57 | Blizz-Tenarsis | you get 2mb for global variables, 2mb for stack variables, 8mb for generated byte code |
| 00:33.57 | Kueken | okay, I look it up |
| 00:33.59 | Mexa | Last time it was observed, it was the same size as a byte :| |
| 00:34.10 | Blizz-Tenarsis | our bool is 4 bytes |
| 00:34.18 | tordy_ | that bool is very naughty |
| 00:34.20 | Deaod | hm |
| 00:34.28 | Blizz-Tenarsis | char and byte are both 1 byte unsigned char |
| 00:34.32 | Kueken | so byte code got increased, but variable limit was not? |
| 00:34.58 | Blizz-Tenarsis | previously global and stack variables shared the same memory space, so it is larger technically |
| 00:35.01 | Mexa | Someone made a cheat engine check in the past pathes. In there it said that the bool was a byte. But I guess that was wrong then. |
| 00:35.04 | Kueken | ah, okay |
| 00:35.15 | tordy_ | so what reason is there to use bool now? readability? i'm fine with using byte w/ 0 = false, everything else = true |
| 00:35.37 | Daara | got it to work :D |
| 00:35.38 | Blizz-Tenarsis | 4 byte bool is actually better, 32 bit computers can process 4 byte integers faster than 1 byte bools |
| 00:36.04 | Daara | so when my units die now the lay on the ground and after 15 seconds they fade into skeletons which fade away after 15 seconds :D |
| 00:36.05 | Mexa | Yes, but it's also a tradeoff between memory size and memory efficiency. |
| 00:36.12 | tordy_ | what about 64 bit comps |
| 00:36.32 | Kueken | for those we need 8 byte bools :D |
| 00:36.36 | Blizz-Tenarsis | 64 bit computers still run 32 bit emulated unless the app is compiled for 64 bit |
| 00:37.18 | tordy_ | le'ts put it to the test |
| 00:37.24 | Deaod | cant you just make every type 4 bytes long and multiply addresses by 4? |
| 00:37.33 | tordy_ | loop thro 10 million bool operations |
| 00:37.36 | tordy_ | and 10 million byte operations |
| 00:37.42 | tordy_ | unless cache |
| 00:38.16 | Deaod | errr, offsets |
| 00:38.22 | tordy_ | hello |
| 00:38.51 | Deaod | also, branch prediction |
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| 00:39.08 | Mexa | Does the .galaxy files shipped within the mod negates the galaxy memory limit? |
| 00:39.38 | Mexa | I mean, do they waste any space? |
| 00:39.39 | Blizz-Tenarsis | nope its all combined I believe, even our built-in triggers affect the script limit |
| 00:39.48 | Blizz-Tenarsis | well the built-in trigger library |
| 00:39.48 | Mexa | Right. |
| 00:40.08 | Kueken | Do you have any information, why direct injection of a mapscript.galaxy file doesn't work anymore? |
| 00:40.13 | tordy_ | how much byte code does the built in trig library generate |
| 00:40.20 | Mexa | Kueken, it doesn't? |
| 00:40.31 | Kueken | doesn't seem like it |
| 00:40.34 | tordy_ | direct injection? |
| 00:40.35 | Blizz-Tenarsis | not sure, I believe we actually added a display that shows you a % of how close you are to the script code limit |
| 00:40.53 | Mexa | Did you try with the recent Ladik mpq editor as well, Kueken? |
| 00:40.54 | tordy_ | oooooo would love to know where this display is |
| 00:40.56 | Kueken | import a MapScript.galaxy file with an mpq editor |
| 00:41.01 | Kueken | I did |
| 00:41.15 | tordy_ | works fine for me |
| 00:41.29 | Kueken | pre-patch it used to report an error that trigger files are missing, when you first opened the map |
| 00:41.38 | Blizz-Tenarsis | don't think we broke it intentionally or anything like that, we have talked about better support for people who write galaxy scripts directly |
| 00:41.43 | Kueken | now it crashes when opening in the editor |
| 00:41.59 | tordy_ | i use the trigger GUI when making my map |
| 00:42.01 | Kueken | okay, maybe just for me |
| 00:42.02 | Blizz-Tenarsis | really it crashes opening your map? |
| 00:42.13 | tordy_ | but before i publish, i delete all the triggers and import the mapscript |
| 00:42.16 | tordy_ | and it works just fine |
| 00:42.25 | Kueken | hm |
| 00:42.40 | Kueken | okay, probably an error on my part |
| 00:42.47 | Kueken | le me try again |
| 00:43.04 | Blizz-Tenarsis | if you ever have a 5/5 way to crash the editor, we want to know... |
| 00:43.11 | Blizz-Tenarsis | or the game for that matter |
| 00:43.18 | Kueken | uh, got something |
| 00:43.34 | tordy_ | anyone else get an error when using Leviathan's attack? |
| 00:43.38 | Kueken | change an event macro, when a unit using that macro is on the field |
| 00:43.44 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yeah, if you open the trigger debugger, there is a area in the bottom right that shows you two % of how close you are to the script code limit |
| 00:43.51 | Kueken | then remove the unit and place it again |
| 00:43.56 | Kueken | bam crash |
| 00:43.58 | Mexa | [02:34] <Blizz-Tenarsis> our bool is 4 bytes. Can you then explain why in a completely new map, int[600000] raises an error that it's over the limit, but bool[600000] does not? |
| 00:44.05 | Kueken | worked for me every time so far :) |
| 00:44.38 | tordy_ | why is pikachu blue |
| 00:45.02 | Daara | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHG-JO8gIGk |
| 00:45.17 | tordy_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxkIBEw_K1c |
| 00:45.20 | Mexa | It doesn't look like that bytes are 4 bytes. Correct me again otherwise. |
| 00:45.26 | Blizz-Tenarsis | hmm Mexa you are right, the galaxy engine only uses 1 byte for it |
| 00:45.42 | Blizz-Tenarsis | my bad |
| 00:45.52 | Mexa | np, just clearing things out :) |
| 00:46.13 | Blizz-Tenarsis | we're actually converting it back and forth from 4 bytes but that doesn't really matter to you |
| 00:46.15 | tordy_ | wow mexa good work , you deserve a big hug |
| 00:46.48 | Mexa | I see. While it may not matter, it does allow for memory size optimisations. |
| 00:46.53 | tordy_ | break points on trigger errors is sweet |
| 00:46.59 | Mexa | If that's an issue in a map. |
| 00:47.09 | tordy_ | new debugger is great |
| 00:47.22 | Deaod | note to self: dont expand an int array with 523769 elements |
| 00:47.37 | Mexa | Crash? |
| 00:47.45 | Deaod | takes long |
| 00:47.46 | tordy_ | can finally see the values of array elements |
| 00:48.02 | Kueken | heh |
| 00:48.11 | Kueken | deaod, I did the same thing yesterday |
| 00:48.27 | Kueken | now the injection worked without problems |
| 00:48.34 | Kueken | so it was probably another issue |
| 00:48.56 | Mexa | Hey Tenarsis. It would be great if you could make the galaxy editing "faster". And by that I mean faster as in not returning errors when I press ctrl+s right after a completely valid statement. |
| 00:49.01 | Mexa | Sometimes it doesn |
| 00:49.09 | Deaod | if youre directly editing MapScript.galaxy, isnt the best way to just save it as SC2Components? |
| 00:49.10 | Mexa | 't catch up on the final characters written |
| 00:49.25 | Kueken | yeah, Mexa, noticed that as well |
| 00:49.37 | Blizz-Tenarsis | that sounds really weird |
| 00:49.41 | Kueken | you need to wait about 2 seconds after a change |
| 00:49.54 | Kueken | otherwise it compiles the unchanged code |
| 00:50.15 | Blizz-Tenarsis | hmm yeah probably cause batch up change events to actually reduce lag :P |
| 00:50.54 | Blizz-Tenarsis | is that using a custom script element in your triggers? |
| 00:51.01 | Kueken | for me it was |
| 00:51.11 | Mexa | Another thing: If I save a completely new document for the first time, and is active in a custom script section, then it will close that section and write an s-character. |
| 00:51.31 | Mexa | I assume that's due to some error with using ctrl+s |
| 00:51.42 | Kueken | save via ctrl + s or click on the save button? |
| 00:51.45 | Kueken | ok |
| 00:51.49 | Mexa | And it |
| 00:51.53 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yeah ill take a look at both those bugs |
| 00:52.06 | Mexa | 's annoying that it takes away the focus of that section too. |
| 00:52.25 | Mexa | great! |
| 00:53.18 | Mexa | I need to go to bed. Seeya all tomorrow. |
| 00:53.40 | Kueken | coming with you |
| 00:53.45 | Blizz-Tenarsis | going home myself... have a good evening everyone |
| 00:53.52 | Kueken | good night |
| 00:53.56 | Mexa_ | Evening/Morning:p |
| 00:54.45 | tordy_ | at least Taintedwisp is still here |
| 00:54.50 | Deaod | struct s {int s;}; |
| 00:54.56 | Deaod | that fails to compile |
| 00:55.07 | Mexa_ | Deaod, I remember that one. |
| 00:55.17 | Mexa_ | The issue was only with s, was it not? |
| 00:55.21 | Deaod | no |
| 00:55.25 | Mexa_ | Oh, okay |
| 00:55.29 | Deaod | well |
| 00:55.38 | Deaod | i dont know if this is the one we discovered a while back |
| 00:56.02 | Mexa_ | hm, maybe not |
| 00:56.03 | Deaod | for this one, you cant have structmembers with the name of the struct |
| 00:56.16 | Mexa_ | Right. |
| 00:56.19 | Mexa_ | Yeah |
| 00:56.34 | Deaod | the S one was with sound |
| 00:56.36 | Deaod | something |
| 00:56.54 | Mexa_ | only writing sound s; takes awfully long to compile. |
| 00:57.09 | Mexa_ | sound t; does not |
| 00:57.11 | Mexa_ | :> |
| 00:57.36 | Mexa_ | Or maybe that was just a coincidence |
| 00:58.28 | Daara | hmm |
| 00:58.29 | Mexa_ | Not sure how we tested that one regarding sounds. |
| 00:58.36 | Mexa_ | I forgot. |
| 00:58.37 | Daara | so i just noticed something Ahli |
| 00:58.42 | Deaod | struct S {sound a;}; |
| 00:58.45 | Deaod | thats the one |
| 00:58.50 | Daara | since I use 2 variations for each model, male and female versions |
| 00:58.53 | Deaod | struct cannot be nested inside itself |
| 00:59.03 | Daara | sometimes it plays the incorrect variation on death |
| 00:59.33 | Mexa_ | Deaod, oh yeah, that's strange |
| 00:59.44 | Mexa_ | and silly. |
| 00:59.50 | Deaod | it doesnt depend on the name of the sound member |
| 01:00.18 | Mexa_ | And it seems to be only sound it has problems with. |
| 01:00.43 | Deaod | also, galaxy seems like a clusterfuck with namespaces all over the place |
| 01:00.58 | Mexa_ | How's so? |
| 01:01.02 | Deaod | type-identifiers cant be used as member-identifier? |
| 01:01.15 | Mexa_ | hm? |
| 01:01.19 | Deaod | how does that make sense |
| 01:01.26 | Deaod | the bug from before |
| 01:01.43 | Deaod | members cant have the name of the struct type |
| 01:01.51 | Mexa_ | oh, yeah. |
| 01:02.59 | Mexa_ | "struct S" and that that is the only character that doesn't allow sound as member afterwards is also strange. |
| 01:03.57 | Mexa_ | struct S |
| 01:03.58 | Mexa_ | { |
| 01:03.58 | Mexa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.58 | Mexa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.58 | Mexa_ | }; |
| 01:04.01 | Mexa_ | Doesn't work either:p |
| 01:04.35 | Mexa_ | Oh well, off to bed! |
| 01:04.42 | Ahli | Blizzard guys, is there an easy way for you to make dialogs that are (marked as going to be) destroyed to equal "no dialog"? |
| 01:04.43 | Ahli | I assume that they go into an unusable state, but remain intact in the memory for a short time. It is possible to detect those unusable dialogs with the check for the dialog to equal "any dialog". But using "!= no dialog" is more intuitive for programmers. But it causes errors, if you didn't set the variable to "no dialog" after destroying the dialog. |
| 01:04.43 | Ahli | In short: destroy dialog A, then check "A != invalid dialog" which returns false. Attempting to change A results in errors. => "A != invalid dialog" is inferior to "A == any dialog". |
| 01:04.43 | Ahli | This would save us the following action: "A = no dialog;" after calling the dialog destruction function. |
| 01:06.46 | Mexa_ | Any dialog boils down to -1 I think |
| 01:07.19 | Ahli | if you destroy them they are still valid dialogs in the check, but not any dialog. :S |
| 01:07.55 | Mexa_ | I thought A == any dialog will always return false. |
| 01:07.59 | Ahli | I had to fix that in like 8 placed in my code because I assumed that "!= invalid dialog" would validate usable dialogs. o0 |
| 01:08.13 | Mexa_ | Because the id of dialog A will never be the id of "any dialog" |
| 01:08.57 | Mexa_ | invalid dialog just means the dialog id is 0 |
| 01:09.11 | Mexa_ | And dialogs are just integers |
| 01:09.22 | Mexa_ | From the galaxy side, anyway. |
| 01:09.23 | Ahli | hmm, I've only used that while solving a person's issue in the mapster forum 1 or 2 days after I had the issue myself. |
| 01:09.35 | tordy_ | are you NA or somewhere else |
| 01:09.42 | Ahli | so maybe I'm mistaken with the "any dialog" check. |
| 01:09.43 | Mexa_ | A dialog is an integer id which is > 0 |
| 01:09.52 | Mexa_ | and any dialog is -1 |
| 01:09.59 | Mexa_ | and invalid dialog is 0 |
| 01:10.17 | Mexa_ | I think invalid dialog is the same as "no dialog" |
| 01:10.25 | Ahli | yes |
| 01:10.34 | Ahli | c_invalidDialog is "no dialog" in GUI |
| 01:10.57 | Daara | hey ahli, do you think it's possible to get the death animation to play the correct variation? |
| 01:11.01 | Mexa_ | So, if you want to make sure your dialog is invalid after destroying it, set it to 0 |
| 01:11.15 | Mexa_ | Just like you would set a unit to "no unit"/null |
| 01:11.19 | Deaod | char[2097147] test; is as close to 2MB, as i could get. |
| 01:11.38 | Deaod | 2MB are 2097152 bytes |
| 01:12.04 | Mexa_ | add 4 byte for the main function. |
| 01:12.21 | Deaod | 5 bytes are missing |
| 01:12.42 | Mexa_ | well 1 byte if you add main |
| 01:12.44 | Ahli | Daara, I don't know. :D I don't think so unless you create different unit actors for each "variation" with its correct death model. |
| 01:12.54 | Deaod | hm |
| 01:13.16 | Daara | yea i don't see anything about adding variation to death models |
| 01:13.17 | Mexa_ | functions take up space in the global memory as far as I know too. |
| 01:13.32 | Ahli | maybe you can do something with custom deaths |
| 01:13.55 | Ahli | maybe it is possible to validate with the model's variation |
| 01:13.58 | Deaod | declaring a new function doesnt decrease space available |
| 01:14.00 | Mexa_ | Deaod, did you remove all included galaxy files? |
| 01:14.03 | Deaod | yes |
| 01:14.06 | Ahli | in the actor event term |
| 01:14.09 | Mexa_ | I see |
| 01:14.17 | Deaod | used the map we prepared a long time ago |
| 01:14.29 | Mexa_ | Well, declaring it or implement it? |
| 01:14.39 | Deaod | implementing |
| 01:14.45 | Mexa_ | ok |
| 01:14.46 | Deaod | with code block |
| 01:14.47 | Mexa_ | hmm |
| 01:15.06 | Vailreth | yeah there is a model variation term |
| 01:15.55 | Deaod | hmmm |
| 01:16.22 | Ahli | but I've never used custom deaths. But units like the zergling use it afaIk. |
| 01:17.09 | Deaod | void InitMap () { |
| 01:17.10 | Deaod | char[32767] test; |
| 01:17.10 | Deaod | } |
| 01:17.12 | Daara | yea there's a term in events |
| 01:17.16 | Deaod | maximum local size |
| 01:17.19 | Daara | i think i can model swap |
| 01:17.41 | Mexa_ | per local scope, or shared between all scopes? |
| 01:17.58 | Deaod | the blizzard guy mentioned 2MB total local space |
| 01:18.16 | Mexa_ | m |
| 01:18.42 | Daara | should work |
| 01:18.46 | Daara | on the death actor |
| 01:18.59 | Taintedwisp | anyone notice that we did get to keep the 57 extra MB from the beta? |
| 01:19.07 | Daara | Actor Creation - Model Varation 0 - Model Swap Footman Death Var 0 |
| 01:19.11 | Deaod | [02:33:57] <Blizz-Tenarsis> you get 2mb for global variables, 2mb for stack variables, 8mb for generated byte code |
| 01:19.13 | Daara | same for variation 1 |
| 01:19.22 | Ahli | beta was on another server, so you never "kept" it |
| 01:19.34 | Taintedwisp | you know what I mean lol |
| 01:19.38 | Ahli | ^^ |
| 01:19.43 | Taintedwisp | our Total was raised to 157 lol |
| 01:19.47 | Taintedwisp | douche' |
| 01:19.48 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:19.55 | Ahli | but the max map count hasn't been raised |
| 01:20.17 | Taintedwisp | So?, i range 10-20 MB per map?, i wont hit the 20 mark... ever |
| 01:20.33 | Taintedwisp | anyways I dont plan on making tha many maps, if I did they would all be crap |
| 01:20.33 | Ahli | I assume some melee mappers might be annoyed by that low amount. especially if they have normal versions of their maps and special versions with... green tea AI or something like that |
| 01:20.41 | Taintedwisp | ehhh yeah |
| 01:20.43 | Taintedwisp | i guss |
| 01:21.34 | Ahli | hmm, did they continue their mapper series on teamliquid... |
| 01:22.03 | Taintedwisp | I Hate teamliquids site, it really needs to be upgraded, it looks very..... 1998.. |
| 01:22.04 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:22.19 | Taintedwisp | i mean its highly populated, and there are cool people, but it looks soooo retro |
| 01:22.37 | Taintedwisp | looks like it hasnet been updated since sc1 BW |
| 01:22.58 | Ahli | I like tl's site. |
| 01:23.02 | Daara | nope didn't work :< |
| 01:23.37 | Ahli | with model swap you would need to try to reference the host in the term (before destroying it in the first actor event) I think. |
| 01:24.04 | Ahli | can we enter a scope to the term? :S things I don't know... |
| 01:24.17 | Taintedwisp | Guess im about to hit the bed. Getting sleepy. |
| 01:24.20 | Ahli | the death model is another model that is spawned I think. |
| 01:24.27 | Mexa_ | Deaod, then maybe it's per scope |
| 01:24.44 | Ahli | (which destroys its host and some other things created by the host) |
| 01:24.59 | Deaod | int a=0; |
| 01:24.59 | Deaod | void InitMap () { |
| 01:24.59 | Deaod | char[32767] test; |
| 01:24.59 | Deaod | a+=1; |
| 01:24.59 | Deaod | InitMap();} |
| 01:25.10 | Deaod | a is 63 after stack overflow |
| 01:26.02 | Deaod | so i guess it crashed trying to allocate the 64th 32767 block |
| 01:26.31 | Mexa_ | That's roughtly 2 megabytes. |
| 01:26.36 | Deaod | yes |
| 01:26.36 | Mexa_ | *roughly |
| 01:27.36 | Mexa_ | Oh meh, I seriously must sleep. I'll follow up later |
| 01:27.40 | Mexa_ | Seeya |
| 01:28.04 | Daara | what can i use to reference the creator of the death actor? |
| 01:28.11 | Deaod | good night |
| 01:28.26 | Daara | in actor events |
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| 01:38.56 | Ahli | _host or something like that. the first event in the actor should use that |
| 01:39.04 | Ahli | ::host... I don't know |
| 01:39.26 | Ahli | the actor = death actor |
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| 01:45.08 | Daara | Blizz-Deletarius still around? |
| 01:45.47 | Daara | or Blizz-Artestru? |
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| 02:05.52 | ckSynergy | sup daara |
| 02:06.23 | Vailreth | sup peeps vailreth is inda channel |
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| 02:08.37 | Daara | thunderstorms |
| 02:08.39 | Daara | :< |
| 02:08.42 | Daara | need the rain though |
| 02:08.59 | Daara | trying to get my death model actor to use the correct variation |
| 02:09.03 | Vailreth | the Rain in the train goes mostly down the drain>..> |
| 02:10.02 | Daara | not sure how to go about it |
| 02:13.19 | Vailreth | are you doing it like the dark templar? |
| 02:13.36 | Daara | they use the same death model |
| 02:13.41 | Daara | that doesn't have variations |
| 02:14.42 | Vailreth | no it has variations |
| 02:14.58 | Vailreth | check the actor events for the dark templar. |
| 02:16.40 | Vailreth | then if you want to see the variations check the models by making a new model and going to assign a file to it and search darkTemplar. |
| 02:17.06 | Daara | the dark templar death model only has 1 variation |
| 02:17.14 | Vailreth | no it has two |
| 02:17.48 | Vailreth | DarkTemplarDeath_00 and DarkTemplarDeath_01 |
| 02:18.10 | Daara | ah uses custom deaths |
| 02:18.19 | Vailreth | so maybe that three vairations/? |
| 02:18.47 | Daara | hold on looking at the custom deaths field |
| 02:19.56 | Daara | k |
| 02:19.59 | Daara | uses 2 different models |
| 02:20.10 | Daara | and custom death |
| 02:20.16 | Daara | rather than 1 model with 2 variations |
| 02:20.20 | Daara | and normal death event |
| 02:20.51 | Vailreth | ah i see our er vocabular was mismatched .. |
| 02:21.10 | Vailreth | variation in my mind was two diffrent models ... |
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| 02:41.23 | Daara | hmm |
| 02:43.17 | Daara | well |
| 02:43.23 | Daara | now it's doing to the correct models |
| 02:43.24 | Daara | but i can't get the death actor to play |
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| 03:51.23 | Dustin | Anyone wanna test my map out? |
| 03:51.38 | Dustin | I need a good play through to check for bugs multiplayer |
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| 03:52.26 | forex | hello ? |
| 03:52.50 | Dustin | hi |
| 03:52.53 | Dustin | What are you doing |
| 03:53.08 | forex | mapping and getting frustrated |
| 03:53.32 | Dustin | I know how that goes |
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| 03:54.13 | forex | can anyone say me how i increase the standart camera distance |
| 03:54.33 | Dustin | Data editor and edit the game settings I think |
| 03:55.37 | forex | how can i find the the game settings in the data menu |
| 03:57.11 | Dustin | Click the PLUS tab, then click Edit Advanced Data -> Cameras |
| 04:00.48 | forex | thx |
| 04:01.01 | forex | wow there are many options |
| 04:01.19 | Dustin | yup yup |
| 04:01.58 | forex | but the max distance is already on the maximum |
| 04:02.58 | forex | oh |
| 04:05.09 | forex | mhh not working |
| 04:11.48 | forex | i have to change the parameter of the "standart-camera" is that right ? |
| 04:13.53 | forex | yeah.. i have done it |
| 04:14.21 | forex | i will remember this channel |
| 04:14.40 | forex | thanks |
| 04:15.32 | Dustin | Change Default Camera |
| 04:16.03 | Dustin | nm |
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| 05:10.57 | Daara | i think there might be a bug with custom deaths -_- |
| 05:11.05 | Daara | or maybe my actor is messed up |
| 05:21.26 | Daara | ugh |
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| 05:48.27 | Taintedwisp | oooooo blizzard left their computers on.. lol |
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| 05:50.09 | Daara | yep |
| 05:51.32 | Zeldarules28 | Anybody here? |
| 05:52.24 | Zeldarules28 | I'll take that as a no..... :( |
| 06:09.14 | ckSynergy | In Communist Blizzard, Computer turn you on |
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| 08:07.23 | Sixen | Ahli: Has instarcraft.de contacted you yet? |
| 08:08.02 | Ahli | why the hell do you know about that? ;D |
| 08:08.56 | Sixen | ;) |
| 08:38.34 | Repo | New announcement: M.U.L.E Landing - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/m-u-l-e-landing/ |
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| 09:15.00 | Iiris | ooooooooo, blizz is back |
| 09:16.10 | Iiris | Do heroes, hero abilities, hero stats, etc work yet? or is it just for HoTS? |
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| 09:17.24 | Swordman | good morning guys :) |
| 09:22.21 | Ahli | why the hell do I have to do so much stuff for 3 credit points. :X I assume I will die or just go crazy while writing my bachelor thesis... |
| 09:24.56 | Ahli | http://www.imglols.com/wp-content/main/2012_04/fuck-this-shit-oclock.jpg buying bread for breakfast now |
| 09:30.20 | Bommes | :D |
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| 10:07.49 | Bommes | oh |
| 10:07.55 | Bommes | I think I found an 1.5 editor b ug |
| 10:07.57 | Bommes | bug |
| 10:08.49 | Bommes | It says I doesn't work to use Ability Command |
| 10:09.19 | Bommes | *it doesn't work to use Ability Command Variables as a parameter for the Issue Order function |
| 10:09.26 | Bommes | but it still works |
| 10:09.32 | Bommes | although it shouldn't based on the GUI |
| 10:09.35 | Bommes | and it worked pre 1.5 |
| 10:09.57 | Bommes | and as long as I don't change the Ability Command it doesn't show the error |
| 10:10.00 | Bommes | pretty weird bug |
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| 11:12.31 | Kueken | Morning |
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| 11:23.13 | Bommes | hey |
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| 11:28.28 | Kueken | hey Tomura |
| 11:28.38 | Kueken | Ripper wants to speak to you |
| 11:28.38 | Tomura | hi |
| 11:28.53 | Tomura | yeah i already read that |
| 11:28.57 | Kueken | k |
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| 12:51.56 | Bommes | How would I approach playing a unit based sound with triggers? |
| 12:52.03 | Bommes | As in lets say I pick a marine |
| 12:52.18 | Bommes | then it should play the "Marine_Yes" Sound |
| 12:52.25 | Bommes | a Zergling the "Zergling_Yes" etc |
| 12:52.37 | Bommes | *actor based, not unit based |
| 12:53.18 | Ahli | get main actor of unit -> catalog the sound link -> use the sound link in the play sound on unit? |
| 12:53.33 | Ahli | else, create a function, throw the unit type into it and return the correct sound |
| 12:54.22 | Bommes | ah yeah I can just link it with the catalog get field I guess |
| 12:54.22 | Bommes | :D |
| 12:54.24 | Bommes | thx |
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| 12:56.42 | Ahli | with the GUI supporting catalogs via dropdowns now, that should be easy-peasy... :) |
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| 13:15.06 | Kueken | ahli, there are gui mdropdowns for catalogs now? |
| 13:15.08 | Kueken | nice |
| 13:15.35 | Kueken | for the entire path and stuff? |
| 13:17.54 | ducky | for everything in catalogs :D |
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| 13:29.49 | Mexa_ | That's great |
| 13:32.10 | Ahli | kueken, you know that I'm stupid? ;D I've time on that thursday... so np for me. I've my presentation on wednesday. |
| 13:32.42 | Kueken | you're not supposed to talk about it in public ;) |
| 13:33.25 | Bommes | Yea, nasty presentation on wednesday |
| 13:33.28 | Bommes | NO ONE WANTS TO KNOW THAT |
| 13:33.38 | Bommes | disgusting! |
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| 13:34.39 | Bommes | What is the easiest way to have some kind of GUI to change some variables depending on what you pick? Just a temporary thing without anything visually appealing necessary. |
| 13:34.43 | Bommes | Are drop down dialogs easy to make? |
| 13:34.59 | Bommes | *at the start of the map |
| 13:37.10 | Bommes | I just need something temporary that doesn't consume too much time, until I make the final custom GUI stuff |
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| 14:15.28 | Kueken | well, Bommes |
| 14:15.52 | Kueken | while dialogs with dropdowns or sliders are easy to make, they are quite time-consuming |
| 14:16.23 | Kueken | if you don't need anything visually appealing and its temporary anyways, I suggest chat commands |
| 14:16.29 | Bommes | mkay |
| 14:16.47 | Bommes | I just want to get some kind of pre alpha out there until HotS comes out :/ Guess I'll just leave it Sandbox style for now |
| 14:16.54 | Bommes | *HotS Beta |
| 14:17.04 | Bommes | and once I make the GUI make it proper right away |
| 14:17.09 | Kueken | there are some tools to simplify dialog usafe |
| 14:17.11 | Kueken | *usage |
| 14:17.32 | Kueken | for example beiers galaxy++ editor has a drag&drop dialog designer |
| 14:17.44 | Kueken | but its only useable in conjunction with galaxy++ script |
| 14:18.08 | Kueken | and its pretty rudimentary |
| 14:18.11 | Bommes | ah |
| 14:18.14 | Bommes | maybe I'll look into it |
| 14:18.39 | Bommes | I still wonder if Blizz is implementing a more visual UI Editor |
| 14:18.42 | Bommes | with HotS |
| 14:18.57 | Bommes | Thought they do, based on that Blizzcon presentation |
| 14:19.03 | Bommes | where they showed all the tools etc. |
| 14:20.14 | Kueken | we will see |
| 14:23.26 | Bommes | thanks anyway |
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| 14:42.37 | Hobrow | o7 |
| 14:44.02 | Kueken | hm |
| 14:44.19 | Kueken | is that the way people greet each other today? |
| 14:44.38 | Kueken | in this case |
| 14:44.43 | Hobrow | well |
| 14:44.45 | Kueken | o7 bro, how have you been ;) |
| 14:46.06 | Hobrow | o7 = salute |
| 14:46.34 | Hobrow | so |
| 14:46.37 | Kueken | never heard that |
| 14:46.40 | Hobrow | does anyone know |
| 14:46.44 | Hobrow | play eve :d |
| 14:47.04 | Bommes | why not "O7"? |
| 14:47.06 | TheSkunk__ | o/ |
| 14:47.08 | Bommes | looks more realistic to me |
| 14:47.33 | Hobrow | why i cant use the Sm_HyperionExterior_Dialogue06A animation on my Sm_HyperionExterior in the cutscene editor? |
| 14:47.33 | TheSkunk__ | Who salutes people as a greeting o.0 |
| 14:47.44 | TheSkunk__ | except in the army |
| 14:47.46 | Kueken | aah |
| 14:47.50 | Kueken | now I see it |
| 14:47.52 | Kueken | -.- |
| 14:47.57 | Hobrow | ... :D |
| 14:48.07 | Kueken | <- feels stupid now |
| 14:48.32 | Bommes | I only saw it after he explained it though |
| 14:48.48 | Hobrow | guys |
| 14:48.50 | Bommes | have never seen it used before |
| 14:48.53 | Kueken | oP |
| 14:48.54 | Hobrow | any idea on my problem |
| 14:49.04 | Kueken | let me check |
| 14:49.07 | Hobrow | or how to solve it |
| 14:49.07 | Bommes | no idea, sry |
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| 14:51.40 | Hobrow | so what about converting old .scene files to new .cutscene files? curently im trying to recreate my old one which fails at the above problem |
| 14:51.47 | Kueken | I can add it |
| 14:51.53 | Hobrow | what?! |
| 14:52.17 | Kueken | it shows up under animation layer |
| 14:52.29 | Kueken | no idea if it works like it is supposed to, though |
| 14:52.33 | Kueken | never did that before |
| 14:52.49 | Hobrow | ok, so what exactly did you do? |
| 14:53.31 | Kueken | doubleklick sm_hyperionexterior to add the model to the editor |
| 14:53.40 | Kueken | select the model in the main window |
| 14:53.48 | Kueken | then doubleclick the dialog |
| 14:53.59 | Kueken | the .m3a file |
| 14:54.26 | Hobrow | ok sec |
| 14:55.17 | Hobrow | hmm |
| 14:56.25 | Hobrow | well |
| 14:56.30 | Kueken | it doesn't play a different animation, though |
| 14:56.35 | Hobrow | my model is not playing the animation |
| 14:56.41 | Hobrow | yeah |
| 14:57.08 | Kueken | and before the patch, it would? |
| 14:58.12 | Hobrow | i did the old one with the overview manager |
| 14:58.25 | Hobrow | the old one still works |
| 14:58.33 | Hobrow | only that it bugs the camera after its done |
| 14:58.58 | Hobrow | means it sets the camera distance at about half the distance |
| 14:59.17 | Hobrow | and applying the default camera does nothing |
| 14:59.32 | Hobrow | saving the old and loading afterwards also does nothing |
| 14:59.47 | Hobrow | the only thing that "worked" was increasing the offset and heigth |
| 14:59.54 | Hobrow | whith the side effect |
| 15:00.24 | Hobrow | that sounds wouldnt play because the camera is "too far away" |
| 15:00.41 | Hobrow | if you know what i mean |
| 15:00.56 | Kueken | yup |
| 15:01.11 | Hobrow | and the camera would jump back at the old close look if you even looked at your mouse wheel |
| 15:02.09 | Kueken | and before the patch, you could add a .m3a file in the previewer like that, and the model gets new animations? |
| 15:02.27 | Kueken | and you can play them with + and - I presume? |
| 15:02.36 | Hobrow | cant remember |
| 15:02.42 | Hobrow | i did it almost a year ago |
| 15:03.34 | Blizz-Artestru | Hi Hobrow, I just saw your cutscene questions... I can answer them now. |
| 15:03.44 | Hobrow | oh great :D |
| 15:03.58 | Blizz-Artestru | First off, the Dialogue06A animation is probably not listed on the Hyperion because you need to add the M3A file. |
| 15:04.03 | Blizz-Artestru | Which you can find under the Files tab |
| 15:04.12 | Hobrow | yeah i already did that |
| 15:04.31 | Blizz-Artestru | Is Dialogue06A listed when you right-click the Hyperion's animation block? |
| 15:04.49 | Hobrow | it is |
| 15:04.56 | Blizz-Artestru | And what happens when you select it? |
| 15:05.32 | Kueken | nothing |
| 15:05.35 | Hobrow | the animation block? |
| 15:05.38 | Ashamed | Don't say the universe implodes PLEASE >< |
| 15:05.44 | Blizz-Artestru | one second, I'm going to try it myself |
| 15:05.49 | TheAlmaity | *universe implodes* |
| 15:06.09 | Ashamed | OMG so now Hobrow is going to activate it and the bliz Dev >< |
| 15:06.21 | Ashamed | two implodes at the same time! |
| 15:06.30 | TheAlmaity | Imploding the implosion |
| 15:06.31 | Hobrow | so new big bang? |
| 15:06.34 | TheAlmaity | Implodeception |
| 15:06.36 | Exaken | yay:D |
| 15:06.41 | Ashamed | lol |
| 15:06.47 | Blizz-Artestru | No no, they cancel each other out. We'll be okay. |
| 15:07.00 | Hobrow | ... boring :D |
| 15:07.34 | Bommes | (as long as being smushed to pieces is okay for you) |
| 15:07.40 | Kueken | yeah, an imploding galaxy once in a while would certainly be entertaining |
| 15:07.46 | Blizz-Artestru | Oh |
| 15:07.46 | Blizz-Artestru | I see |
| 15:07.51 | Blizz-Artestru | do you have an animation block? |
| 15:08.12 | Kueken | heh |
| 15:08.22 | Hobrow | yes |
| 15:08.32 | Hobrow | and its set to the proper animation |
| 15:08.48 | Hobrow | at least i hope so |
| 15:08.51 | Kueken | it works if you add an animation block |
| 15:08.55 | Kueken | at least for me |
| 15:08.59 | Hobrow | O.o |
| 15:09.11 | Blizz-Artestru | also, the hyperion is off screen |
| 15:09.12 | Kueken | right click -> add animation block |
| 15:09.15 | Blizz-Artestru | and kinda flying around |
| 15:09.24 | Blizz-Artestru | you may want to add the camera model to find it |
| 15:09.29 | Blizz-Artestru | search for the model SMCameraTerran06A |
| 15:09.38 | Hobrow | got that already |
| 15:09.40 | Blizz-Artestru | then under View->Camera select that camera |
| 15:09.41 | Kueken | (right click on the animation layer) |
| 15:09.54 | Hobrow | but perhaps i need to remove and readd it? |
| 15:09.55 | Kueken | well, after that it works flawlessly for me |
| 15:10.03 | TheAlmaity | btw, once you're done fixing the Hyperion, I've got a more technical not-exactly-editor-related question |
| 15:10.03 | Blizz-Artestru | It worked for me, too. |
| 15:10.09 | Blizz-Deletarius | Morning everyone |
| 15:10.21 | TheAlmaity | Mornin |
| 15:10.22 | TheSkunk__ | Morning Delet |
| 15:10.44 | Blizz-Artestru | so just to be clear... on the left hand side, I have the following: |
| 15:10.48 | Blizz-Artestru | SMHyperionExterior |
| 15:10.51 | Blizz-Artestru | ....Animation Layer |
| 15:10.59 | Blizz-Artestru | ...SM_HyperionExterior_Dialogue06a.m3a |
| 15:11.05 | Blizz-Artestru | SMCameraTerran06A |
| 15:11.07 | Blizz-Artestru | ...AnimationLayer |
| 15:11.19 | Ashamed | good morning . |
| 15:11.20 | Blizz-Artestru | then on the right on the timeline I have: |
| 15:11.26 | TheAlmaity | Hmmm... Posting a screenshot would be simpler, wouldnt it? :p |
| 15:11.31 | Blizz-Deletarius | ^ |
| 15:11.32 | TheSkunk__ | c-c-c-combo breaker |
| 15:11.41 | TheAlmaity | c-c-c-combo breaker |
| 15:11.43 | Blizz-Artestru | I can't really post a screenshot |
| 15:11.47 | TheAlmaity | oh, ok |
| 15:11.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | speaking of killer instinct |
| 15:11.47 | Blizz-Artestru | But Hobrow can |
| 15:12.00 | Hobrow | give me a sec |
| 15:12.22 | TheAlmaity | btw, I've got a question about the preloading change in 1.5 |
| 15:12.24 | Blizz-Deletarius | once I was playing against my 6 year old brother in Killer Instinct, and as Cinder, he found out how to do some ridiculous 70+ move combo |
| 15:12.25 | TheAlmaity | changelog says "StarCraft II is now significantly more thorough in pre-loading content, resulting in less in-game stutter." |
| 15:12.29 | Hobrow | am also having the 06a props |
| 15:12.38 | TheAlmaity | What everyone is experiencing is worse preloading |
| 15:12.55 | Blizz-Artestru | As in preloading is slower or preloading doesn't seem to catch as much? |
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| 15:13.11 | TheAlmaity | Every time a new model appears we get a stutter |
| 15:13.29 | TheAlmaity | I once figured out my OC exploded not because I saw it but because it lagged (First OC that died that game) |
| 15:13.41 | Blizz-Artestru | Are you finished streaming? |
| 15:13.54 | TheAlmaity | yes |
| 15:14.13 | TheAlmaity | happens anytime a model shows for the first time |
| 15:14.16 | Hobrow | http://i45.tinypic.com/2j4c19v.png |
| 15:14.18 | Blizz-Artestru | I haven't been seeing that myself, but I'll bring it up to the appropriate people. |
| 15:14.21 | TheAlmaity | or a model that use imported texture select for the first time |
| 15:14.25 | TheAlmaity | thanks :) |
| 15:14.32 | Kueken | I experienced the opposite, just like expected from more thorough preloading, I get longer loading times and less ingame lags when loading new assets |
| 15:14.37 | TheSkunk__ | IN fact, some people have been watching a fast replay in which everything happens so that the game will load everything |
| 15:14.40 | TheSkunk__ | before playing |
| 15:14.59 | TheAlmaity | Yea, I used to do that when casting melee games |
| 15:15.13 | TheAlmaity | but its not really possible when mapping |
| 15:15.27 | TheAlmaity | currently I have to make highly detailed attacks, and its annoying that I can't see them the first time I try them out |
| 15:16.04 | Taintedwisp | bahhh, i just remembered why I rarely post on Battle.net forums... |
| 15:16.05 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 15:16.06 | Blizz-Artestru | Hobrow: It looks like you added the model from the Files tab instead of the Model tab. |
| 15:16.07 | TheAlmaity | here are more people talking about it: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/40720-stupid-slow-editor/?page=2#p38 |
| 15:16.13 | TheAlmaity | among other slower things |
| 15:16.13 | Taintedwisp | every answer tells me to go to sc2mapster |
| 15:16.15 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 15:16.24 | Hobrow | god dman it! |
| 15:16.27 | Blizz-Artestru | That *should* have worked, but for some reason it isn't. The difference between the two tabs is that the Models tab provides all the model data. |
| 15:16.29 | Bommes | By the way, I found a bug in the Trigger Editor this morning... I can't change Ability Command type values to my variables. Well in fact I can, and it compiles and shows no errors, but in the Trigger Editor GUI it shows an error and a plain "Ability Command" with default value |
| 15:16.32 | Blizz-Artestru | Whereas the Files tab is just the raw model file. |
| 15:16.41 | Blizz-Artestru | That model data must provide extra functionality for that model that allows it to work. |
| 15:17.07 | TheSkunk__ | This is what I was talking about: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/xrl8p/working_temporary_solution_to_15_stuttering/ |
| 15:17.16 | Hobrow | well i guess i start over again, shouldnt take too long since i know what to do |
| 15:17.24 | Blizz-Artestru | well |
| 15:17.26 | Blizz-Artestru | you don't have to do that |
| 15:17.34 | Blizz-Artestru | On the SM_HyperionExtrior actor |
| 15:17.38 | Blizz-Artestru | look on the property sheet |
| 15:17.43 | Blizz-Artestru | remove the "Model Path" property |
| 15:17.47 | Blizz-Artestru | and in Model Link |
| 15:17.53 | Blizz-Artestru | type SMHyperionExterior (no underscore) |
| 15:18.16 | Blizz-Artestru | actually, one sec |
| 15:18.17 | TheAlmaity | oh, just remembered a simple question I had: How do I add actor messages in the cutscene editor? It was possible in the previewer by right clicking, but I havent spent enough time in the new one to find it... |
| 15:18.20 | Blizz-Artestru | I just tried thatand it didn't work :P |
| 15:18.43 | Ashamed | gosh... giving bad direction |
| 15:19.08 | Blizz-Artestru | odd, it's not workign at all now |
| 15:19.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | TheSkunk__, you should post up about your issues with stuttering in the bug forum so that we can help to diagnose the issues |
| 15:19.17 | Blizz-Artestru | oh wait |
| 15:19.19 | Blizz-Artestru | I know why |
| 15:19.36 | Blizz-Artestru | right |
| 15:19.37 | Blizz-Artestru | Okay |
| 15:19.45 | Blizz-Artestru | Change the position property on all your models to 0,0,0 |
| 15:19.52 | Blizz-Artestru | Models add by default at whatever you're looking at |
| 15:19.59 | Blizz-Artestru | Useful for all sorts of scenarios. |
| 15:20.07 | Blizz-Artestru | Bad when you're doing story mode stuff like this where the models are supposed to line up. |
| 15:20.11 | TheSkunk__ | Twas more of a side note regarding TheAlmaity, I don't personally have too many issues with it |
| 15:20.18 | Blizz-Deletarius | alright |
| 15:20.44 | Blizz-Artestru | It does appear that you should still use the model tab |
| 15:20.49 | Blizz-Artestru | but make sure you zero out the position |
| 15:22.43 | TheAlmaity | Btw, what happened to Startools? |
| 15:22.46 | Blizz-Artestru | Almaity: You can't do that anymore. Adding Actor Messages to cutscenes are bad because it makes scrubbing after the message unpredictable. If you need to send a message to an actor inside a cutscene, you can set a Finder Tag on the actor then send the message via triggers to ::external.FinderTagName. |
| 15:23.07 | Blizz-Artestru | You can also use a bookmark to signal when to send the message. |
| 15:23.08 | TheAlmaity | Well, I mostly used them to test tints |
| 15:23.15 | Blizz-Artestru | To test tint, just set the tint color property |
| 15:23.19 | Blizz-Artestru | on the actor |
| 15:23.19 | Hobrow | well, works now. but for some reason the camera is no longer moving Oo |
| 15:23.22 | TheAlmaity | k. |
| 15:23.33 | Blizz-Artestru | You can also animate it on the timeline if you want to test blends |
| 15:23.41 | TheAlmaity | Ok, thanks. |
| 15:23.44 | Blizz-Artestru | turn on Auto Key, then just the value at different times |
| 15:23.54 | Taintedwisp | Hey, was there any news on those Wc2 assets? mainly sounds |
| 15:24.07 | TheAlmaity | Will give it a shot next time I need to tint something |
| 15:24.12 | Blizz-Artestru | As for Art Tools: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6232303460 |
| 15:24.54 | TheAlmaity | ah, ok. Was wondering because they were in the beta emails changelog but not in the real one :) |
| 15:24.55 | Taintedwisp | NICE on the art tools |
| 15:25.35 | Blizz-Artestru | Hobrow, I'm about to step away for a bit. Did you have any more cutscene questions? |
| 15:25.39 | TheAlmaity | Also, it said they were for Discreet's 3Ds Max, which doesn't exist anymore or something according to the modelers I know |
| 15:25.49 | Hobrow | nope everything works now, thanks alot |
| 15:26.17 | Taintedwisp | brb later going to get some lunch |
| 15:26.44 | Blizz-Artestru | It exists: http://usa.autodesk.com/3ds-max/ |
| 15:27.47 | TheAlmaity | yea, but its not called Discreet's anymore, which is why the modeler I know complained :p |
| 15:27.54 | Kueken | can you test different textures in the previewer? |
| 15:28.10 | TheAlmaity | Oh yea, texture select by ID testing in previewer would be awesome |
| 15:28.11 | Kueken | seeing as you can use models from the model tab now |
| 15:28.40 | Kueken | so you can set up texture declarations, but without actor messages, we cannot make use of it |
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| 15:31.39 | Hobrow | kueken are you going to build giant death robots again? :D |
| 15:31.50 | TheAlmaity | I hope so |
| 15:31.52 | Kueken | nevah! |
| 15:31.57 | TheAlmaity | D: |
| 15:31.58 | Hobrow | liesssss |
| 15:32.02 | Hobrow | :D |
| 15:32.03 | Kueken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57fWzVh-0s0 |
| 15:32.04 | Bommes | @Blizz: Have you noticed the thing I said about "Ability Command" variables not working post 1.5 in the trigger editor? |
| 15:32.08 | TheAlmaity | Dude, remake the transformers movies |
| 15:32.11 | Kueken | doesn't look like a robot to me |
| 15:32.39 | Bommes | that Baneblade has some sick Reverse-Wheelie moves :D |
| 15:32.54 | TheAlmaity | yea, that Baneblade is awesome :p |
| 15:34.40 | Bommes | ah nevermind |
| 15:34.42 | Bommes | was my own fault |
| 15:34.51 | Bommes | you just have to specify now what target the ability is set up for |
| 15:34.53 | Bommes | sorry :) |
| 15:34.58 | Bommes | didn't see that |
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| 15:35.05 | Bommes | but if you select "All" it doesn't work |
| 15:36.16 | Kueken | Blizz-Artestru: Any way to swap textures in the cutscene editor? |
| 15:36.29 | TheAlmaity | I think he's gone. |
| 15:36.34 | Kueken | :( |
| 15:37.08 | Blizz-Artestru | Not in the cutscene, no. It's 100% on the list and we're aware it's something people want (including our own artists). |
| 15:37.18 | TheAlmaity | ...and he's back. |
| 15:37.19 | Kueken | great |
| 15:37.34 | Blizz-Artestru | :) |
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| 15:37.43 | TheAlmaity | We now know the magic trick. I have to say they're gone and they'll suddenly shop up, just to prove me wrong |
| 15:37.51 | TheAlmaity | show* |
| 15:38.00 | TheAlmaity | how the fuck did I hit P instead of W there??? |
| 15:38.21 | Kueken | you have a strange keyboard layout, man... |
| 15:38.22 | ducky | P is near O? :D |
| 15:38.40 | TheAlmaity | I think a wormhole appeared above my W key for a second. Its the most reasonable explanation |
| 15:38.58 | Kueken | too bad you didn't watch |
| 15:39.04 | Kueken | I want a screenshot |
| 15:39.11 | TheAlmaity | lol |
| 15:39.16 | Kueken | with a meme |
| 15:39.20 | Kueken | TYPOS |
| 15:39.24 | Kueken | thats how they happen |
| 15:39.27 | ckSynergy | Anyone here have experience with shops? |
| 15:39.30 | TheAlmaity | Headlines for tomorrow: "Proof that wormholes cause typos" |
| 15:39.36 | Kueken | :) |
| 15:39.55 | TheAlmaity | shops as in shops for items made in the data editor? |
| 15:39.58 | Hobrow | well there are about 1000 ways to make a shop |
| 15:39.59 | ckSynergy | yes |
| 15:40.05 | TheAlmaity | Or the thing I have to leave the house for and therefore never heard of? |
| 15:40.06 | ckSynergy | those kind of shops lol |
| 15:40.08 | Ashamed | kueken pretty could model |
| 15:40.15 | ckSynergy | game shops |
| 15:40.29 | ckSynergy | :P |
| 15:40.29 | TheAlmaity | there are a few simple tutorials around, I think |
| 15:40.37 | TheAlmaity | I made mine ages ago, forgto everything... |
| 15:40.39 | ckSynergy | ermmm, I dont need a tutorial lol |
| 15:40.54 | TheAlmaity | just ask your question, if I cant answer Küken probably can |
| 15:40.59 | ckSynergy | I need someone who i an analytical thinker and can help me bounce ideas around |
| 15:41.29 | Kueken | uhm... don't count on it, made my last shop even longer ago |
| 15:41.35 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 15:41.44 | TheAlmaity | You sure? I think we made them around the same time. |
| 15:41.45 | ckSynergy | eh doesnt matter |
| 15:41.47 | TheAlmaity | Like, beta |
| 15:41.49 | ckSynergy | its all the same thing anyway |
| 15:41.52 | ckSynergy | heres the gist |
| 15:41.53 | Kueken | okay, so you don't need help with the technical aspect |
| 15:42.05 | ckSynergy | nah. making items and shops are easy |
| 15:42.11 | TheAlmaity | ok, ask away |
| 15:42.12 | ckSynergy | the problem im having is requirements and validators attached |
| 15:42.46 | ckSynergy | Heres the thing. My shops are "team shops". They belong to player 1 and players 2-5 can shop from it. |
| 15:43.02 | Kueken | but not 6-10 |
| 15:43.12 | ckSynergy | Now, I was to add some requirements to my shop items so players cant buy an item if its unique (they aready have one), or if their inventory is full |
| 15:43.22 | ckSynergy | *want to |
| 15:43.24 | ckSynergy | the problem is this |
| 15:43.50 | ckSynergy | Any requirements attached to the train ability for the item, applies to the owning player |
| 15:43.56 | TheAlmaity | hmmm... |
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| 15:44.18 | ckSynergy | so, even though "ItemX" has a requirement of "Must not have itemX or itemY", it doesnt apply to other players, because they arent owned |
| 15:44.30 | ckSynergy | if that makes sense |
| 15:44.35 | TheAlmaity | My first idea is to sort of "Phase" the shops, put one on the same place for each player and make them show only to the owner so that only the owner can select them... |
| 15:45.08 | ckSynergy | Trying to avoid hacks like that, and besides, my team shops work fine as is |
| 15:45.14 | ckSynergy | its the requirements/validators part |
| 15:45.21 | TheAlmaity | well, that means it doesnt work fine :p |
| 15:45.24 | Kueken | that would be problematic if you have limited stocks of items per team |
| 15:45.50 | ckSynergy | theres no limited stocks |
| 15:45.52 | TheAlmaity | Don't know how you would transfer ownership of a requirement... |
| 15:45.54 | ckSynergy | anyway |
| 15:46.04 | ckSynergy | yea, ^ thats the problem |
| 15:46.09 | TheAlmaity | Is it possible to check the person buying it through trigger? |
| 15:46.11 | Kueken | In my experience, your problem is pretty hard to circumvent, I would probably use triggers for that |
| 15:46.32 | TheAlmaity | I think the phasing thing would be the most "user friendly" |
| 15:46.36 | ckSynergy | I did have one idea... |
| 15:46.44 | TheAlmaity | and not particularly hard to set up |
| 15:46.49 | Kueken | triggers would be problematic, because you don't see the requirement visually on the button |
| 15:46.53 | ckSynergy | but my god the work around is isane |
| 15:46.55 | ckSynergy | *insane |
| 15:47.15 | TheAlmaity | Yea, which is why I would prefer the phasing for the shops over a trigger solution |
| 15:47.31 | ckSynergy | Basically, setup the shop with the item values/buttons on the command card, and tie it to an effect instant, 1 for each shop item |
| 15:48.09 | ckSynergy | the effect instant would use the validators for inventory, and be of type "issue order" |
| 15:48.19 | ckSynergy | then I just set it to order "command 1-30" |
| 15:48.20 | ckSynergy | -.- |
| 15:48.24 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 15:48.31 | TheAlmaity | Phasing would probably be quicker |
| 15:48.31 | Kueken | well |
| 15:48.33 | ckSynergy | meaning I'd need 30+ commands |
| 15:48.38 | TheAlmaity | just needs a simple actor message and trigger |
| 15:48.48 | Kueken | if you do it that way, there is no reason to use data |
| 15:49.08 | ckSynergy | why is that> |
| 15:49.09 | Kueken | you can give the items to the hero way easier via trigger |
| 15:49.30 | Kueken | would be the same effect but data would be so much more work to set up |
| 15:49.37 | ckSynergy | I dont look for easier, I look for more proper. |
| 15:49.59 | ckSynergy | With triggers, you risk it running on unspecified events, or risk having to have an event for EVERY ITEM |
| 15:50.08 | TheAlmaity | If you already have a shop set up in data, phasing isn't much of a big deal. 1 actor message and the shops have to be created in triggers with like 3 simple actions |
| 15:50.08 | Kueken | well, you would use data over trigger to show the nice requirement texts |
| 15:50.34 | Kueken | you overestimate the performance impact for triggers in this case |
| 15:50.53 | Kueken | if you make a generic event for the items, it would hardly cause any problems |
| 15:51.23 | ckSynergy | Thing is, the original method did use triggers, and it caused major lag in-game |
| 15:51.26 | Kueken | you won't be constantly buying items anyway |
| 15:51.52 | Kueken | (constantly = 10+ items per second) |
| 15:52.01 | ckSynergy | No, but the only way to limit items in that manner is to use a "unit training complete", which triggers a LOT through gameplay |
| 15:52.03 | TheAlmaity | Synerge: Do you have the shop set up completely already in data? |
| 15:52.13 | TheAlmaity | omg another wormhole made me typo |
| 15:52.15 | ckSynergy | TheAlmaity: yes |
| 15:52.45 | TheAlmaity | Why not use phasing then? Its set up really quickly. Biggest problem I could see is footprints/collision |
| 15:52.46 | ckSynergy | Everything works as intended. The ONLY problem is limiting unique items/full inventory |
| 15:53.01 | TheAlmaity | its easy to show an actor for only one player |
| 15:53.09 | TheAlmaity | which means you can have seperate shops for each player |
| 15:53.18 | ckSynergy | TheAlmaity: True, unless those players are allied |
| 15:53.31 | Kueken | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.35 | TheAlmaity | Nope, you can show/hide models (or do other actor messages) per player |
| 15:53.43 | TheAlmaity | Using FlyerHelper settings |
| 15:53.50 | ckSynergy | oh? |
| 15:53.53 | TheAlmaity | as an actor event term |
| 15:53.54 | ckSynergy | what is a flyerhelper? |
| 15:54.02 | Kueken | in this specific case it can even be done via filter settings |
| 15:54.04 | TheAlmaity | Doesnt matter, you can use it as an actor event term |
| 15:54.13 | TheAlmaity | and it can be changed in triggers |
| 15:54.28 | TheAlmaity | so you set each players flyer helper to lets say "All" |
| 15:54.32 | TheAlmaity | then the owners to "None" |
| 15:54.44 | Mexa_ | Hey Deaod? |
| 15:54.46 | Hobrow | do the new cutscenes pause the game? |
| 15:54.49 | Deaod | ? |
| 15:54.52 | TheAlmaity | and put the actor event "Actor creation -> (Term: Flyer Helper All) -> Hide visibility) |
| 15:55.01 | Mexa_ | If Blizz is around now, maybe it's time to mention that weird struct bug? |
| 15:55.06 | Mexa_ | *. |
| 15:55.12 | TheAlmaity | or whatever the visibility actor message is called |
| 15:55.15 | Deaod | both? |
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| 15:55.27 | Mexa_ | Yeah |
| 15:55.27 | Deaod | meh |
| 15:55.39 | Mexa_ | The sound one was particulary weird though. |
| 15:55.39 | ckSynergy | Set Opacity |
| 15:55.45 | ckSynergy | is the actor message |
| 15:55.48 | TheAlmaity | No, opacity is just transparency |
| 15:55.50 | Kueken | set visibility |
| 15:55.53 | TheAlmaity | there is one for completely hiding |
| 15:55.56 | Deaod | there are other combinations |
| 15:55.57 | ckSynergy | there is? |
| 15:55.58 | TheAlmaity | yea, visibility |
| 15:56.02 | Deaod | h and handle |
| 15:56.03 | TheAlmaity | that would prevent clicking on it as well afaik |
| 15:56.05 | Mexa_ | oh? |
| 15:56.09 | ckSynergy | you learn something new every day lol |
| 15:56.10 | Mexa_ | Did you find any other? |
| 15:56.15 | Mexa_ | than those two |
| 15:56.33 | Deaod | not yet |
| 15:56.36 | TheAlmaity | there's a tutorial for phasing by renee2islga, can find it if you wanna use it |
| 15:56.43 | TheAlmaity | it's rather simple |
| 15:57.34 | Kueken | you can even use the GAx3 mod, which provides a simple action to send an actor message locally |
| 15:57.49 | Kueken | if it is useable with 1.5 yet |
| 15:58.14 | TheAlmaity | http://www.paste.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/19371-tutorial-trigger-data-show-hide-destroy-any-given-actor/#p1 |
| 15:58.18 | ckSynergy | Ill look at it |
| 16:00.20 | TheAlmaity | I think I'll play a round of LoL or two, might be back later. |
| 16:01.34 | Deaod | so, Mexa, want to report it now? |
| 16:03.11 | Blizz-Artestru | Hobrow: No, they don't automatically pause the game. You need to do that with triggers. The reason is that you may, in fact, not want to pause the game while a cutscene is playing. |
| 16:03.37 | Hobrow | yeah good point |
| 16:04.09 | Blizz-Artestru | Cutscenes actually play in the game world -- they're not a "video" that overlays the screen. This means you can do neat things like have a "cutscene" of a zergling climbing a tree and jumping at you, then swap out the cutscene actor with a zergling unit to have it transition into gameplay. |
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| 16:05.32 | TheAlmaity | oh, btw, can you ask whoever is in charge of battle.net/arcade stuff to do something to filter out blank reviews? |
| 16:05.45 | TheAlmaity | There's SOOO MANY of them |
| 16:05.50 | TheAlmaity | like 9 out of 10 are blank |
| 16:06.07 | Hobrow | oh and also TEXT |
| 16:06.11 | Hobrow | ;) |
| 16:06.28 | TheAlmaity | oh. right, open games list says "Text" instead of "Show More" on the button. The button itself is a bit annoying as well |
| 16:06.46 | Hobrow | well it says Show More for the first time |
| 16:06.53 | Hobrow | as long as you dont mouse over it |
| 16:07.01 | Hobrow | if you do you get TEXT |
| 16:07.29 | TheSkunk__ | Patch just went live to fix that |
| 16:07.30 | ducky | I think "text" is already fixed in that korean bugfix patch |
| 16:07.37 | TheSkunk__ | Whens the last time you logged in? |
| 16:07.40 | ducky | yeah >.< |
| 16:07.46 | TheSkunk__ | Oh wait |
| 16:07.48 | TheSkunk__ | I'm NA |
| 16:07.54 | TheSkunk__ | If you're EU its probably not o ut yet |
| 16:08.02 | Hobrow | its not |
| 16:08.09 | Hobrow | well, good to know |
| 16:08.31 | TheSkunk__ | Still would be nice to prevent blank reviews, though |
| 16:08.33 | ducky | but for some reason launcher looks different now, it got "news" and all those other things.. |
| 16:09.38 | ducky | ah, right, I wanted to ask NA guys |
| 16:09.40 | TheSkunk__ | sweet, dues ex HR song now playing =] |
| 16:10.05 | ducky | has anyone on NA played this map? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4253966227?page=1 |
| 16:10.08 | TheAlmaity | also, something that may be harder to implement: mappers being able to access their reviews in a sort of plain text form (Like download all reviews through the editor or something) so that we can read through them faster |
| 16:10.54 | TheSkunk__ | What do you mean by that, Ducky? Anyone in this channel on NA has played it, or if its gaining popularity there? |
| 16:11.05 | TheSkunk__ | I've seen it, but not tried it personally |
| 16:11.22 | ducky | I want to know if it's any good |
| 16:11.46 | TheSkunk__ | ah |
| 16:12.51 | ducky | Every time I visit EU RPG section and see only 4 maps I feel uneasy.. so if it's any good then I'd like someone from NA to ask maker if he would kindly share map with EU |
| 16:13.22 | ckSynergy | After looking at phasing, I still dont think its the way to go. Id still have to create 6 shops |
| 16:13.45 | TheSkunk__ | I'll try it sometime |
| 16:13.49 | ckSynergy | which is less than ideal |
| 16:14.03 | TheAlmaity | why? Players only see one shop, and it can be the exact same unit in the data editor |
| 16:14.03 | Kueken | :) |
| 16:14.10 | TheAlmaity | and you get requirements to work fully |
| 16:14.17 | Kueken | and it can be at the exact same location as well |
| 16:14.50 | TheAlmaity | For all practical purposes its only one shop |
| 16:15.09 | Kueken | well, you have many possible workarounds, you will have to decide for one :) |
| 16:15.14 | ckSynergy | Unless of course, the shop has abilities that affects Player 1 |
| 16:15.17 | ckSynergy | and not the rest |
| 16:15.27 | ckSynergy | then you need triggers to control those abilities |
| 16:15.41 | ckSynergy | ex, global cooldown |
| 16:15.49 | ckSynergy | well, global for the team |
| 16:17.22 | Kueken | yep, can't have everything |
| 16:17.47 | ckSynergy | I still think the best method right now is to use an instant effect ability that ties to an issue order |
| 16:18.04 | Kueken | then go for it :) |
| 16:18.22 | Kueken | you cna try it on a small sample size first to see, if it is worth the effort |
| 16:19.16 | Kueken | like so many things in the editor, there are hundreds of ways to realize this, and probably everyone in this channel would do it differently |
| 16:19.30 | ckSynergy | yea |
| 16:19.57 | Kueken | maity would use phasing, I am pretty confident I can do it with triggers without any performance issues, and you just do it with your issue orders and see, how it works |
| 16:20.06 | Ahli | if I compare EU and US beta, some maps are better rated in US than in EU. for example blood marathon. |
| 16:20.28 | Hobrow | well blood marathon |
| 16:20.33 | Hobrow | pure randomness |
| 16:20.38 | Hobrow | some like lit some dont |
| 16:20.46 | Hobrow | it* |
| 16:20.47 | Ahli | ducky, US has 3 rpgs... EU has 4 |
| 16:20.56 | ducky | D: |
| 16:21.11 | TheSkunk__ | We should trade RPGs |
| 16:21.11 | ducky | still doesn't prefent me from wanting more :D |
| 16:21.15 | TheSkunk__ | together we can each have 7! |
| 16:21.31 | Kueken | I could upload some empty maps as rpgs, if you want :) |
| 16:21.39 | Kueken | just to fill the list |
| 16:21.50 | Ahli | ;D also people tend to write more |
| 16:21.52 | Ahli | in the US |
| 16:22.26 | Hobrow | so fewer blank reviews? |
| 16:22.29 | Hobrow | :D |
| 16:22.30 | ducky | I'm now playing some map on EU named "hack and slash".. it's just a huge maze mad out of cliffs with self-reviving raynor killing randomply placed units |
| 16:22.35 | ducky | I pity myself for that :/ |
| 16:23.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | Hey everyone, so quick question, if we had a thread or something on the main forums that allowed you guys to make suggestions to improved workflows and functionality to the editor (ie, whenever you create an action/element in the trigger editor, it'd be awesome if the text focus went directly to the "Find" field rather than residing within the actions list, that would help speed up my workflow quite a bit) would you guys |
| 16:23.34 | Kueken | missing some words := |
| 16:23.46 | ckSynergy | Absolutely |
| 16:23.47 | Kueken | but yeah, we probably would |
| 16:24.11 | Blizz-Deletarius | and NOT have it be a place for "fix my bug" or "can you guys give us X!?!!!?" |
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| 16:24.28 | ckSynergy | Honestly, Im wondering why blizzard doesnt have something like google versioning |
| 16:24.36 | Blizz-Deletarius | what do you mean? |
| 16:25.25 | ckSynergy | I mean, it would be nice if there was a place, where people could report bugs/suggestions for the editor/game, and it maintained a list of everything |
| 16:25.53 | Kueken | also, the thread would probably be located in the US forums only, right? |
| 16:25.56 | ckSynergy | Where developers could combine like items, assign "issue #s", and basically maintain a list of "to dos" |
| 16:26.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | something along those lines for just the editor is something we're trying to figure out |
| 16:26.27 | Blizz-Deletarius | and actively discussing |
| 16:26.29 | ckSynergy | Hold on, let me see if I can find a link to what I mean |
| 16:27.02 | Kueken | Deletarius your first statement is missing a couple of words, anything important? |
| 16:27.09 | Kueken | or is it just not showing up for me |
| 16:27.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | it is? |
| 16:27.25 | TheSkunk__ | I don't think any of us here can promise that any b.net thread wouldn't be spammed with off-topic posts, even if none of us would do so :P |
| 16:27.32 | Kueken | ends with "would you guys" |
| 16:27.37 | ducky | ahli, I think there are more than 3, they are just not labeleld. I remember reading/watching things like "legends rpg" "dragon rpg", then I saw 2 more rpgs in arcade, and there also might be some other unknowh co-op hero maps. And since with 1.5 we you can contact map creators we should really organize map transfers. Otherwise I'm just finding myself playing same 2 maps all the time :\ |
| 16:27.38 | Kueken | sounds not finished to me |
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| 16:27.44 | Blizz-Deletarius | really? |
| 16:27.44 | TheAlmaity | hey, Deletarius, will talk to you alter about a thread. Im a mod on the forums, but cant read thsi caht right now cause Im in LoL |
| 16:27.51 | egod | Hello |
| 16:27.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh - Would you guys use that kind of a thing |
| 16:27.58 | ducky | yes, looks like it got cut :/ |
| 16:28.02 | Kueken | okay :) |
| 16:28.08 | egod | where is mapito |
| 16:28.16 | ckSynergy | http://core.trac.wordpress.org/report/6 |
| 16:28.23 | egod | anyone is good with .dds convertion? |
| 16:28.28 | ckSynergy | ^ that would be EPIC for sc2 |
| 16:28.29 | egod | got a p^roblem |
| 16:28.30 | Kueken | would EU mappers have access to this thread? |
| 16:28.51 | ckSynergy | not the wordpress part, but the versioning they have |
| 16:28.55 | Ahli | So, you want suggestions like: "Save the scrollbar's position in each tab of the trigger editor. Then we could switch between triggers/functions back and forth to look up a few things." ? |
| 16:28.58 | ckSynergy | the trac ticket system |
| 16:29.09 | egod | IF YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH .dds into SC2, pst |
| 16:29.34 | Blizz-Deletarius | interesting |
| 16:29.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | I'll look at that link synergy |
| 16:29.51 | Blizz-Deletarius | afk a few |
| 16:30.16 | Ahli | egod, use paint.net with a dds plugin. It can save every dimensions and doesn't create artifacts like gimp's plugin does. |
| 16:30.29 | Taintedwisp | Deletarius I deff would |
| 16:30.41 | Bommes | me too :) |
| 16:30.47 | egod | paint.net? |
| 16:31.02 | Ahli | that's the name of the program |
| 16:31.20 | Ahli | it's a simple program, but it's good for picture -> dds conversion and free |
| 16:31.28 | egod | did you ever got this problem ahli, like, my image are veru flue |
| 16:31.38 | egod | not clear |
| 16:31.41 | Taintedwisp | Okay guys about to head off to work. I will get back online there. |
| 16:31.43 | egod | but in the editor |
| 16:31.46 | egod | its full HD |
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| 16:31.52 | egod | on the map, its horrible |
| 16:32.03 | Ahli | no |
| 16:32.17 | egod | 1 weeks i try to figure out |
| 16:32.24 | egod | i think its the patch idk |
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| 16:32.56 | egod | will open my stream |
| 16:33.11 | Ahli | gimp's dds plugin creates bigger squares in the dds files. some are bigger, some are smaller. but your pictures might look more like minecraft after converting with gimp then. |
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| 16:34.43 | Hobrow | yeah paint.net is great |
| 16:35.38 | egod | hm |
| 16:35.59 | egod | idk, like |
| 16:36.07 | Ahli | link |
| 16:36.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | back |
| 16:36.11 | Ahli | I require |
| 16:36.32 | Ashamed | i am so board :( |
| 16:36.41 | egod | when im import my .dds file in sc2 editor, it look great, like very quality HD, puyt IN GAME, its like.... poor quality |
| 16:36.58 | ckSynergy | wb |
| 16:37.02 | Hobrow | where do you use it? |
| 16:37.13 | Kueken | egod: maybe your graphics settings? |
| 16:37.16 | Hobrow | button? dialog image? |
| 16:37.25 | egod | i can show you |
| 16:37.27 | egod | http://twitch.tv/egod123 |
| 16:38.47 | Hobrow | stream offline? |
| 16:39.02 | egod | online now |
| 16:39.06 | Hobrow | ah |
| 16:39.40 | egod | this one is FULL HD |
| 16:39.42 | egod | working |
| 16:39.52 | egod | but |
| 16:40.00 | egod | if i look for other, not working |
| 16:40.45 | TheSkunk__ | Ducky, been in NEO for about 5 minutes, it strikes me as a kinda average RPG so far though |
| 16:40.57 | TheSkunk__ | It doesn't suck, but nothing amazing |
| 16:41.16 | ckSynergy | is there a way for users to define custom failure results for errors? |
| 16:41.18 | Ashamed | egod hows it going with teh d2 map? |
| 16:41.28 | ckSynergy | (in validators tab of data module) |
| 16:41.39 | egod | the new patch stopped me again, i try to figureout |
| 16:41.48 | egod | got a problem with .dds |
| 16:42.11 | Hobrow | hmm i cant really see it problem there tho it might be because of the stream |
| 16:42.16 | Hobrow | the* |
| 16:42.33 | egod | will show you give me a sec |
| 16:44.09 | egod | see the quality of the image? |
| 16:44.13 | Hobrow | oh yeah |
| 16:44.23 | Ahli | that's a bit blurry, indeed |
| 16:44.25 | egod | but if you look in the editor |
| 16:44.25 | ducky | If it's not a horrible nonsense then I would like to host it on EU, even if it's average, some people may play it and be inspired to improve upon it. More maps will spawn even more maps of the same type, that's all I need |
| 16:44.29 | egod | in the editor its HD |
| 16:44.36 | Hobrow | try to resize it? |
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| 16:44.42 | egod | not working |
| 16:44.46 | Hobrow | hmm |
| 16:44.50 | egod | well i can |
| 16:45.06 | tordy | blizz left their comps on overnight? |
| 16:45.28 | Kueken | they work in 48 hour shifts |
| 16:45.35 | Hobrow | looks like that breaks it |
| 16:45.38 | Ahli | they sleep over the keyboard |
| 16:45.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | day and night |
| 16:46.04 | Blizz-Deletarius | I accidentally stayed logged in though |
| 16:46.11 | egod | rezised = no change, in the editor its full HD |
| 16:46.28 | Ahli | like a fish in the water... half brain sleeps while the other one keeps coding and writing articles |
| 16:46.43 | tordy | i got this habit of turning off the computer before i go/sleep |
| 16:46.53 | Hobrow | perhaps its too big |
| 16:46.58 | tordy | i hate it when the comp is on when im not gonna be on it for hours |
| 16:47.04 | Kueken | hm |
| 16:47.30 | Kueken | you could start the trigger debugger manually, right? |
| 16:47.31 | Hobrow | so it resizes it |
| 16:47.36 | Hobrow | yes |
| 16:47.39 | Hobrow | trigdebug |
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| 16:47.47 | Hobrow | i think |
| 16:47.47 | Kueken | galaxy++ has an option to start it but it doesnt work anymore |
| 16:48.00 | Hobrow | or triggdebug |
| 16:48.08 | Kueken | trigdebug says its a cheat |
| 16:48.12 | Kueken | but nothing happens |
| 16:48.22 | Hobrow | give me a sec |
| 16:48.27 | Hobrow | need to find the commands file |
| 16:48.44 | Hobrow | egod |
| 16:48.51 | Hobrow | did you try to cut it in 4 parts? |
| 16:49.08 | egod | no cause i have 1 image that work actuelly |
| 16:49.14 | Hobrow | * TrigDebug - Opens the trigger debug window. |
| 16:49.24 | Ahli | is the other image at the same size? |
| 16:49.31 | egod | yes |
| 16:49.34 | Hobrow | yeah but at what size? |
| 16:49.40 | Hobrow | oh |
| 16:49.41 | Ahli | 2024*1024 |
| 16:49.42 | Hobrow | odd |
| 16:49.47 | Ahli | 2048*1024 |
| 16:49.52 | Ahli | sry ;D |
| 16:50.02 | egod | 2048x1024 |
| 16:50.11 | egod | alpha channel |
| 16:50.16 | egod | its the same actuelly |
| 16:50.23 | Ahli | mmimaps? |
| 16:50.27 | Ahli | *mipmaps |
| 16:50.29 | egod | yeah its on |
| 16:50.48 | TheAlmaity | Ah, Deletarius, you were talking about posting a thread on battle.net, not mapster. Srry, misunderstood |
| 16:51.13 | egod | hm |
| 16:51.15 | Ahli | I don't even know what mipmaps do. I'm not using them. :S |
| 16:51.26 | egod | i think its like |
| 16:51.36 | egod | for pixel stuff |
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| 16:51.47 | egod | cause if i dont use it, i lose quality |
| 16:52.03 | TheSkunk__ | Well, I was playing it solo and for not that long, ducky, so I can't really give the best review of it |
| 16:52.14 | Ahli | mimaps are a collection of the image with different sizes |
| 16:52.24 | egod | oh really? |
| 16:52.25 | Ahli | I could guess here that it's using a wrong mipmap... |
| 16:52.34 | egod | hmmmmm |
| 16:52.37 | Ahli | google -> wikipedia -> my brain |
| 16:52.41 | egod | LOL |
| 16:52.43 | egod | k |
| 16:52.44 | Ahli | -> keyboard -> chat |
| 16:52.46 | egod | interesting |
| 16:52.48 | Ashamed | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuwgoIFgQpY&feature=share |
| 16:52.57 | Ahli | try it without. maybe it works then ;D |
| 16:53.18 | egod | see this one |
| 16:53.31 | egod | full HD now |
| 16:53.40 | Ashamed | there you go egod |
| 16:53.42 | Ashamed | you lil n00b |
| 16:53.52 | egod | nah |
| 16:54.01 | egod | but it cant work for others |
| 16:54.13 | egod | can i send files on this IRC? |
| 16:54.19 | Ashamed | start a match i wanna see it |
| 16:54.27 | Ashamed | no user dropbox |
| 16:54.42 | Hobrow | so how do you actually play a cutscene ingame that doenst use the default game view camera? |
| 16:55.07 | tordy | how bout diablo 3 music? |
| 16:55.13 | Exaken | through triggers |
| 16:55.15 | tordy | in an sc2 map? |
| 16:55.21 | tordy | or d2 music!? |
| 16:55.30 | tordy | or wc3/WoW music ljlkfdsfd |
| 16:55.34 | Hobrow | yeah, im playing it, but its not showing up |
| 16:55.48 | Hobrow | since it uses Cam_Export |
| 16:55.54 | Deaod | tordy, other than size and legal restrictions ... |
| 16:56.07 | tordy | what legal restrictions |
| 16:56.10 | ckSynergy | Blizz-Deletarius: can users define their own failure results in the editor somewhere? (note: not alert) |
| 16:56.20 | Deaod | oh, you know, copyright infringement |
| 16:56.42 | tordy | why is this different than using models/textures from other blizz games |
| 16:56.57 | TheAlmaity | Im fairly certain that there hasnt been any case of maps being removed for copyright infringement, at least none I've heard of |
| 16:57.13 | tordy | there has |
| 16:57.15 | Deaod | well, its not different |
| 16:57.15 | TheAlmaity | technically seen, using models/textures from other blizz games isn't entirely legal either |
| 16:57.28 | TheAlmaity | but no one seems to give a crap |
| 16:57.36 | TheSkunk__ | World of Starcraft, anyone? :P |
| 16:57.40 | tordy | >:) |
| 16:57.47 | Zeldarules28 | It's not legal technically, but I don't think there's ever been a map reported for using blizzard models |
| 16:57.49 | Hobrow | :D |
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| 16:57.51 | TheSkunk__ | Had to change their name to Starcraft Universe, created a big story |
| 16:57.56 | Deaod | but unless Blizzard specifically waives their copyright for those, i wouldnt use them |
| 16:58.04 | Zeldarules28 | World of starcraft was caused by the name, because they believed it was a 3rd party game not made in the editor |
| 16:58.16 | Zeldarules28 | Which would most certainly be illegal |
| 16:58.57 | Ahli | they just wanted to reserve the name as their own I think... |
| 16:59.50 | TheAlmaity | it was already reserved as their own, they copyrighted it a long time ago afaik |
| 17:00.07 | Deaod | you cant copyright anything |
| 17:00.13 | Deaod | trademark, yes |
| 17:00.20 | TheAlmaity | whatever, Im not a lawyer |
| 17:00.34 | Deaod | neither am i |
| 17:01.06 | TheAlmaity | well, you're at least someone who learned the difference, whereas I take a "I dont give a crap" stance on pretty much everything in life, so I needed to be corrected. Now I know at least :p |
| 17:01.14 | Zeldarules28 | For the record, I am also not a lawyer :P |
| 17:01.21 | Ahli | the attempt to copy something can be punished over here... :S |
| 17:01.23 | TheAlmaity | :O |
| 17:01.32 | Deaod | but i think its kind of important that whenever you create something you automatically get copyright for it |
| 17:01.41 | Deaod | unless of course you infringed someone elses work |
| 17:02.01 | Zeldarules28 | There's some protection, but you still need to copyright a product yourself, no? |
| 17:02.07 | tordy | who's a lawyer here |
| 17:02.23 | Zeldarules28 | *awkward silence* |
| 17:02.25 | TheAlmaity | I dont think we have any. |
| 17:02.31 | Deaod | no, you dont need to do anything to secure the copyright for your creation |
| 17:02.32 | Hobrow | one of the voices in my head :D |
| 17:02.34 | tordy | DAMN SHAME |
| 17:03.06 | TheAlmaity | Hmmm... Does a voice in a head count as a real person? I mean, it's not fictional, the voice *is* there, right? |
| 17:03.28 | Zeldarules28 | Of course, the voices in my head tell me how to answer all the questions I get |
| 17:03.37 | Zeldarules28 | They're definitely real people |
| 17:03.38 | Hobrow | .......... |
| 17:03.50 | TheAlmaity | the voices in my head didn't pay rent, so I kicked them out. |
| 17:03.58 | Kueken | the voices in my head ask me to tell you to tell the voices in your heads they are crazy |
| 17:04.21 | Hobrow | shut up kueken and be a good mother :D |
| 17:04.27 | Kueken | :-* |
| 17:04.35 | Kueken | go to sleep, my little one |
| 17:04.36 | TheAlmaity | One of the voices in my head OD'ed, so I had to tighten up security in my head |
| 17:05.00 | Deaod | 9 out of 10 voices in my head tell me im sane. The last one is humming the tetris melody. |
| 17:05.22 | Hobrow | kueken |
| 17:05.27 | TheAlmaity | 9 out of 10 voices in my head agree 1 out of 10 voices is an asshole |
| 17:05.31 | Hobrow | any idea how i can view my curscene? |
| 17:05.34 | TheSkunk__ | weirdos, I have no voices in my head |
| 17:05.37 | Hobrow | just playing doesnt work |
| 17:05.41 | TheSkunk__ | they all come from an external location |
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| 17:05.45 | TheAlmaity | They told you to say that, didn't they? |
| 17:06.00 | Ahli | 9 out of 10 voices state that statistics with voices in the head are all made up. |
| 17:06.02 | Zeldarules28 | Oh right actual questions... I haven't really done anything in the cut scene editor |
| 17:06.03 | Kueken | so you created a scene in the cutscene editor, saved it and now try to play it via trigger? |
| 17:06.22 | Exaken | Do you have a Director camera? |
| 17:06.23 | Hobrow | Cutscene - Create cutscene Cutscenes\Hyperion Arrives NEW.SC2Cutscene for players (All players) with autoplaying False |
| 17:06.23 | Hobrow | Cutscene - Show Cutscene (Last created cutscene). |
| 17:06.24 | Hobrow | Cutscene - Play (Last created cutscene) |
| 17:06.24 | Hobrow | Cutscene - Wait for cutscene (Last created cutscene) to complete. |
| 17:06.30 | TheAlmaity | 4 out of 3 voices in my head are math illiterates |
| 17:06.37 | Hobrow | that does basicly nothing |
| 17:06.51 | Kueken | does enable autoplay make a difference? |
| 17:06.51 | Ashamed | go kill stuff egod |
| 17:06.56 | Hobrow | nope |
| 17:07.00 | Deaod | wb mexa |
| 17:07.02 | Hobrow | tried that first |
| 17:07.08 | egod | i cant, the map not working :( |
| 17:07.10 | Hobrow | well |
| 17:07.14 | Hobrow | it is running |
| 17:07.16 | TheAlmaity | Have you asked the voices in your head for help? |
| 17:07.19 | Kueken | and the cuscene plays in the editor? |
| 17:07.20 | Hobrow | becazuse the lighting changes |
| 17:07.29 | Hobrow | yep |
| 17:07.42 | Hobrow | also played the audio file im using |
| 17:07.51 | Kueken | so its either not visible or out of focus |
| 17:08.02 | Hobrow | its the camera |
| 17:08.15 | Ashamed | broked teh map egod |
| 17:08.17 | Ashamed | you n00b |
| 17:08.18 | Hobrow | the cutscene uses Cam_export |
| 17:08.20 | Kueken | can't you specify a camera for the scene? |
| 17:08.28 | egod | working on it |
| 17:08.37 | Hobrow | how? :D |
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| 17:08.45 | Kueken | no idea, just assuming |
| 17:08.58 | Kueken | never worked with cutscenes |
| 17:09.03 | Exaken | If you open the director window does it show the same as ingame? |
| 17:10.20 | Hobrow | the director window is not using the correct camera since its black |
| 17:10.26 | Exaken | mh |
| 17:10.31 | Blizz-Artestru | Hobrow, it sounds like you don't have a director camera |
| 17:10.41 | Exaken | The director windows uses a Director node |
| 17:10.42 | Blizz-Artestru | Do you have a Director Node with an Active Camera node? |
| 17:10.51 | Hobrow | nope |
| 17:10.52 | Blizz-Artestru | Director Node is a preview of exactly how the game will play it back. |
| 17:10.57 | Blizz-Artestru | That's what you need |
| 17:11.05 | Blizz-Artestru | Object->Add Node->Director |
| 17:11.12 | Blizz-Artestru | Right-click the Director, choose Add Active Camera |
| 17:11.28 | Blizz-Artestru | Right-click the Active Camera and choose "Add Camera Cut" and pick your camera. |
| 17:11.47 | Blizz-Artestru | Make sure that key is at time 0 if you want it to cut to the camera right away. |
| 17:12.08 | Hobrow | well good to know |
| 17:12.25 | Blizz-Artestru | Make sense? |
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| 17:12.59 | Hobrow | if youre told that you NEED it, yes :D |
| 17:13.19 | Blizz-Artestru | Well, you don't necessarily need it :) |
| 17:13.24 | Blizz-Artestru | If you want the cutscene to control the camera you do |
| 17:13.29 | Blizz-Artestru | But some cutscenes don't control the camera |
| 17:13.54 | Hobrow | well i need it ;) |
| 17:14.52 | Blizz-Artestru | Let me know if it worked. |
| 17:14.59 | silen | Hello, I have a small question, newb here. How shold I show all the damage a unit makes ? At first the event is " Unit - Any Unit takes Fatal or Non-Fatal Any damage (from Any effects) " but how do I take the damage taken by the unit ? |
| 17:15.04 | TheAlmaity | ok, just wondering, is it possible to move/animate bones of models in the cutscene editor outside of its preset animations, or will we need to create and import .m3a files? |
| 17:15.53 | Blizz-Artestru | You can't do independent bone manipulation in the Cutscene Editor. You can blend between animations and stitch them together to sometimes get the look you're going for, but you can't arbitrarily animate bones. |
| 17:16.05 | TheAlmaity | Ok. |
| 17:16.09 | TheAlmaity | Thx. |
| 17:16.10 | Zeldarules28 | @Silen Are you trying to get the amount of damage dealt to a unit? Like get the actual number? If so, "Triggering Damage Amount" is the function for you. |
| 17:16.42 | Bibendus | FUCKING EDITOR |
| 17:16.50 | silen | ok, tnx . I'll try to find |
| 17:16.52 | Exaken | lol |
| 17:16.55 | TheAlmaity | lol |
| 17:17.03 | TheAlmaity | why am I not surprised to hear that |
| 17:17.05 | Bibendus | it just fucked up 2 arguments of a function I used everywhere |
| 17:17.15 | Bibendus | all by himself |
| 17:17.15 | Kueken | :D |
| 17:17.18 | Hobrow | @Blizz-Artestru: works as intended |
| 17:17.22 | Blizz-Artestru | :) |
| 17:17.37 | Kueken | oh galaxy script, am i glad to use you |
| 17:17.38 | Bibendus | now I have to reset all icons for the entire UI |
| 17:17.39 | Bibendus | .... |
| 17:17.46 | Ahli | :D |
| 17:17.49 | Bibendus | is he really a blizz employee? |
| 17:17.55 | Kueken | cannot use one of the automatic updates |
| 17:17.55 | Bibendus | O_o |
| 17:17.58 | TheAlmaity | Yes |
| 17:17.58 | Kueken | ? |
| 17:18.03 | Zeldarules28 | Indeed |
| 17:18.04 | Kueken | *backups |
| 17:18.08 | Bibendus | and what's he doin here :D |
| 17:18.14 | TheAlmaity | Answering questions |
| 17:18.16 | Hobrow | i like how bibendus sad "he" as if "he" couldnt read it |
| 17:18.17 | Hobrow | :D |
| 17:18.32 | TheSkunk__ | HE HAS A NAME, YOU KNOW |
| 17:18.32 | Bibendus | I'm not insulting him ;) |
| 17:18.33 | TheSkunk__ | lol |
| 17:18.44 | TheAlmaity | One does not simply directly talk to a blizzard employee |
| 17:18.50 | Bibendus | lol |
| 17:18.53 | Kueken | bibendus: no chance to use a previous backup? |
| 17:18.53 | TheSkunk__ | Ats right |
| 17:19.03 | Bibendus | yes but i ll lose my day work |
| 17:19.07 | TheSkunk__ | We have to adress them as "Blizzard guy" not by their names |
| 17:19.13 | Bibendus | and I worked all day :| |
| 17:19.14 | TheAlmaity | There are rituals one must follow before coming into contact with a blizzard employee |
| 17:19.17 | Ahli | copy daywork into old map |
| 17:19.17 | Kueken | the automatic backups made by the editor |
| 17:19.19 | Bibendus | i knew I had to do more backups during the day |
| 17:19.20 | Kueken | I mean |
| 17:19.21 | TheAlmaity | Goats may or may not be harmed during these rituals |
| 17:19.23 | Bibendus | mmm |
| 17:19.23 | Ahli | problem solved |
| 17:19.30 | Kueken | if you enabled them |
| 17:19.36 | Bibendus | and where are them |
| 17:19.41 | Bibendus | dont think I enabled them |
| 17:19.43 | TheAlmaity | These rituals may also be unsafe for children under three due to small parts they can choke on |
| 17:19.50 | TheAlmaity | Which may or may not be goat horns |
| 17:19.58 | Kueken | um... let me look it up |
| 17:20.08 | Bibendus | nah disabled |
| 17:20.16 | Kueken | enable it |
| 17:20.18 | Kueken | now! |
| 17:20.20 | Kueken | :) |
| 17:20.38 | Bibendus | y |
| 17:20.38 | TheAlmaity | Unfortunately, we may of may not have run out of goats, which is why they aren't answering these questions personally |
| 17:20.49 | Bibendus | ye |
| 17:20.58 | Bibendus | actually I saw really few answers in the thread |
| 17:21.35 | TheAlmaity | Probably because of the lack of goat sacrifices |
| 17:22.04 | Bibendus | but if Blizz-Artestru is not a fake and he has my attention I can ask an important question |
| 17:22.29 | TheAlmaity | Ask, then :p He should be around |
| 17:22.42 | Bibendus | first i need to know he's here so he can't dodge the question :P |
| 17:22.52 | Bibendus | now that I said that he will disappear lolz |
| 17:23.08 | Kueken | they show up whenever maity says they are not there anymore |
| 17:23.15 | Kueken | hes probably waiting for that |
| 17:23.17 | TheSkunk__ | Actually, they often even awnser questions that people asked when they were gone |
| 17:23.43 | TheAlmaity | "They are not here anymore" |
| 17:23.49 | Bibendus | do you think I can slap a blizz employee? :D |
| 17:23.49 | TheSkunk__ | No harm in waiting until you're cretain they're here, though |
| 17:23.50 | TheAlmaity | Now, ask, quickly, before the effect wears off |
| 17:24.08 | TheSkunk__ | Well sure, Bibendus, you just gotta drive out to california.. |
| 17:24.10 | Kueken | careful, they might bite |
| 17:24.23 | Bibendus | oh the same questions I'm asking everytime: are they going to fix the input delays on keyboard/mouse clicks? |
| 17:24.40 | Deaod | dont think they will |
| 17:24.45 | TheAlmaity | Umm... yeah... Dont think they will |
| 17:24.48 | Bibendus | they talked about a possibility :| |
| 17:24.50 | TheAlmaity | it would require them to change too much |
| 17:24.50 | Kueken | # |
| 17:24.54 | TheAlmaity | way tooo much |
| 17:25.05 | Deaod | i see no way to do it without completely rewriting the netcode |
| 17:25.10 | Bibendus | but it would open a lot of possibilities that now can't be used |
| 17:25.12 | TheAlmaity | they might consider it, but not anytime soon I think |
| 17:25.23 | Bibendus | it was required 2 years ago |
| 17:25.33 | Kueken | they announced they would do it, then they did it, but I cannot recall them announcing they want to improve it further |
| 17:25.41 | TheAlmaity | I'd rather have the devs working on HotS, LotV and improving Battle.net than that :/ |
| 17:25.42 | Bibendus | I just want to know if they are working on it, thinking of working on it or they will never do it |
| 17:25.56 | TheAlmaity | I think they somewhere said that they were "thinking about it" |
| 17:26.08 | TheAlmaity | but even if they started on it, it would take a long time I think |
| 17:26.15 | Bibendus | controls is the basic of a game |
| 17:26.30 | Bibendus | if you can use only a command cart you are limiting custom games to 1 of 1000 possibilities |
| 17:26.34 | Kueken | well, currently the input delay difference for data and triggers is not huge |
| 17:26.36 | Bibendus | *command card |
| 17:26.42 | Bibendus | it is |
| 17:26.54 | Bibendus | any game that requires low delay |
| 17:26.55 | Zeldarules28 | Yup, it's too bad :/ |
| 17:26.59 | Bibendus | is fucked up |
| 17:27.05 | Bibendus | no fps |
| 17:27.08 | Bibendus | no arcade of any sort |
| 17:27.15 | TheAlmaity | this is an RTS game. Yes, it highly limits us, but RTS require different delays than fps |
| 17:27.16 | Deaod | bibendus, are you using orders to move units around? |
| 17:27.21 | Bibendus | any quick game that requires advanced controls |
| 17:27.27 | ckSynergy | Holy snap I've been so stupid |
| 17:27.32 | ckSynergy | I figured it out! |
| 17:27.37 | ckSynergy | (in theory) |
| 17:27.42 | Bibendus | deaod what? |
| 17:27.42 | Kueken | if you compare an instant ability cast in data or in triggers, you won't notice a difference in delay |
| 17:28.00 | Bibendus | the fact is |
| 17:28.02 | Deaod | for your WASD movement system, are you using orders to actually move units around? |
| 17:28.05 | Bibendus | if you use a trigger on ability use |
| 17:28.09 | Bibendus | it's faster then pressing a key |
| 17:28.10 | Bibendus | why? |
| 17:28.26 | Deaod | because orders are slower than moving the units directly. |
| 17:28.26 | Kueken | I tried that recently, it is faster by 0.03125 |
| 17:28.29 | Kueken | nothing more |
| 17:28.41 | Bibendus | the problem is unsolved |
| 17:28.45 | Bibendus | and old |
| 17:28.52 | Kueken | compared to bnet standard delay its not much |
| 17:28.54 | Bibendus | the only solution found was to use abilities instead of keys |
| 17:28.57 | Bibendus | it is |
| 17:28.58 | Kueken | 250 ms vs 281 |
| 17:29.24 | Bibendus | and it's not 250 |
| 17:29.30 | TheAlmaity | it is. |
| 17:29.32 | TheAlmaity | 125x2 |
| 17:29.41 | TheAlmaity | 125 to get there, 125 to come back |
| 17:29.53 | Bibendus | it lags more.. |
| 17:29.55 | ckSynergy | hey |
| 17:29.59 | ckSynergy | TheAlmaity |
| 17:30.04 | TheAlmaity | Yes? |
| 17:30.11 | ckSynergy | you do data work right? |
| 17:30.15 | TheAlmaity | yea |
| 17:30.18 | Bibendus | or maybe the 250 is too high on fps/arcade games |
| 17:30.20 | Bibendus | and it seems more |
| 17:30.24 | ckSynergy | ok let me run this buy you and tell me what you think |
| 17:30.25 | Bibendus | still it's unacceptable |
| 17:30.29 | ckSynergy | *by |
| 17:30.30 | TheAlmaity | little amounts of time can seem like a lot |
| 17:30.35 | Kueken | 250 is way too high for fps |
| 17:30.49 | Bibendus | like bomberbot |
| 17:30.51 | Kueken | 250 fps on counter strike and it would have never been played |
| 17:30.56 | Bibendus | why can't be played by keyboard? |
| 17:30.58 | Kueken | *ms |
| 17:30.59 | ckSynergy | Ok, so you have an ability, effect: instant, set a cost. it triggers a create unit effect at target unit: caster. |
| 17:31.03 | Bibendus | because it would be stupidly slow |
| 17:31.10 | Hobrow | 250 is 1/4 of a second, which as if you watch 1 second passing by quite noticable |
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| 17:31.19 | ckSynergy | Then you can run a requirement or valiadtor on the effect, and have your item created |
| 17:31.25 | Bibendus | try crush company and see |
| 17:31.32 | Bibendus | if the jump or movement is really 250ms |
| 17:31.38 | Bibendus | I think it's more |
| 17:31.38 | ckSynergy | I just thought, what if we were never suppose to use the train ability for item purchasing |
| 17:32.14 | TheAlmaity | I never tried purchasing items using a Create Unit effect, not sure whether it would instantly place it in the inventory |
| 17:32.47 | ckSynergy | I think it might |
| 17:32.51 | ckSynergy | if you set the target to unit |
| 17:33.06 | TheAlmaity | How would you target the buying unit though? |
| 17:33.13 | ckSynergy | Target: Caster |
| 17:33.21 | TheAlmaity | No, caster is the casting unit, the shop |
| 17:33.22 | ckSynergy | Source would be the shop unit, caster is the unit |
| 17:33.34 | Kueken | I tested it by using 2 ways to kill a unit, 1 instant cast data ability executing a kill effect on the caster, 2 kills another unit via key event, then both triggered a unit death event and printed a time stamp |
| 17:33.38 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:33.39 | ckSynergy | or caster outer |
| 17:33.48 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:33.50 | Taintedwisp | Hey guys Im at work now |
| 17:33.55 | TheAlmaity | never understood what Outers did |
| 17:33.58 | Kueken | is there a flaw in my logic or should that be able to confirm a difference in delay? |
| 17:33.59 | TheAlmaity | you can give it a shot |
| 17:34.02 | ckSynergy | I'm about to test it |
| 17:34.12 | TheAlmaity | But I wouldnt bet money on it |
| 17:35.21 | Kueken | bibendus |
| 17:35.27 | Bibendus | what |
| 17:35.41 | Kueken | what do you think, would that test work? |
| 17:35.53 | Deaod | kueken, you basically need to keep time outside of sc2 |
| 17:36.04 | Kueken | why? |
| 17:36.21 | Kueken | we want to confirm differences in delay within sc2 right? |
| 17:36.46 | Deaod | yes |
| 17:36.51 | ckSynergy | ok, lets se how this goes |
| 17:37.11 | Kueken | the input would be incoming at the exact same location, because 1 key would trigger both inputs simultaneously |
| 17:37.20 | Kueken | hotkey for the ability and key event for the trigger |
| 17:37.51 | Bibendus | it may work |
| 17:37.56 | Kueken | so if there is a discrepancy in input delay, the units should die with a delay |
| 17:38.00 | Bibendus | are u willing to test it now? |
| 17:38.00 | ckSynergy | it works |
| 17:38.05 | ckSynergy | in a sense |
| 17:38.07 | Kueken | I tested it already |
| 17:38.12 | Bibendus | and whats the dif |
| 17:38.22 | ckSynergy | it doesnt add it to the inventory, but it creates it at the position of the unit buying the item |
| 17:38.31 | TheAlmaity | k, cool |
| 17:38.45 | TheAlmaity | can maybe create an issue order that makes teh buyer pick up the item |
| 17:38.51 | Kueken | when using 0 waits to count the game loops |
| 17:38.53 | TheAlmaity | also, have you tested it with multiple heroes around it? |
| 17:39.09 | TheAlmaity | and test it with the buying hero being slightly further away than another hero |
| 17:39.11 | Bibendus | whats the difference in time kue |
| 17:39.18 | Kueken | it always resulted in the data unit to be killed 1 counter before the trigger unit |
| 17:39.23 | Kueken | so 0.03125 |
| 17:39.33 | Bibendus | did u test it online? |
| 17:39.45 | Kueken | yep, with multiple players even |
| 17:40.02 | Bibendus | it seems so low |
| 17:40.19 | Bibendus | the time is always |
| 17:40.24 | Bibendus | .28? |
| 17:40.27 | Bibendus | total time |
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| 17:40.36 | Ahli | unless you got a higher ping |
| 17:40.42 | Kueken | well, the network delay is varying |
| 17:40.42 | ckSynergy | TheAlmaity: I think its more simple than that |
| 17:40.43 | Ahli | than 125ms |
| 17:40.43 | ckSynergy | hold on |
| 17:40.48 | Bibendus | that's the prob |
| 17:40.48 | Taintedwisp | why is it everytime karawasa post I have the urge to slap him? |
| 17:40.49 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:40.50 | Bibendus | i think |
| 17:40.59 | Kueken | but thats the same for data and trigger |
| 17:41.17 | Kueken | data input does not miraculously circumvent network delay |
| 17:41.39 | Bibendus | btw hod did u count the time |
| 17:41.42 | Bibendus | of the data ability |
| 17:41.48 | Bibendus | without using triggers? |
| 17:41.51 | Zeldarules28 | Woo-hoo I just made a terrible cutscene :D |
| 17:42.06 | Zeldarules28 | Turns out the director cam was indeed important :P |
| 17:42.08 | Kueken | well, the dying units triggered unit death events |
| 17:42.33 | Blizz-Artestru | Yes, the Director is a key part of a cutscene. :) |
| 17:42.34 | Bibendus | and you are still using trigger |
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| 17:42.41 | Bibendus | to read the event |
| 17:42.45 | Bibendus | so it may be slowed again? |
| 17:42.52 | Kueken | yes, I am, but that shouldn't matter |
| 17:42.56 | Kueken | logically |
| 17:43.02 | Kueken | but well |
| 17:43.11 | Kueken | my logic might be flawed |
| 17:43.25 | Bibendus | the only thing that matters |
| 17:43.30 | Bibendus | is how fast u see the units dying |
| 17:43.31 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:43.36 | Bibendus | I think |
| 17:43.43 | Kueken | visually, you never notice a difference |
| 17:43.53 | Kueken | *i didn't |
| 17:43.54 | Bibendus | mmm |
| 17:44.11 | Taintedwisp | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/40909-narrow-minded-republican-blizzard-moderator/#p6 LOL, what a troll like thread |
| 17:44.16 | Kueken | but then again, I am not claiming this test to be the undeniable truth |
| 17:44.20 | malakvian | hello, does anyone know if items auto-stacking can be disabled ? |
| 17:44.25 | Taintedwisp | Karawasa, never amazes me |
| 17:44.26 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:44.46 | Ahli | FPS games don't feel laggy because they interpolate the game states or they just trick you with local animations like a weapon's muzzle flash while the bullet's tracer appears after that delay |
| 17:45.20 | Kueken | also, there is stuff, which doesn't lag, because it uses no network traffic |
| 17:45.23 | Kueken | for example |
| 17:45.28 | Ahli | but then they rely on the client telling the correct actions. that's why aimbots exist that only target the head regardless of ping. |
| 17:45.33 | Kueken | the targeting cursor for a targeted ability |
| 17:45.55 | Kueken | that is executed locally, only the final target point is transmitted |
| 17:46.05 | Kueken | so there is no delay in targeting an ability |
| 17:46.11 | Kueken | only the execution |
| 17:46.32 | Bibendus | that's what i mean |
| 17:46.37 | Bibendus | on a movement command it doesnt lag |
| 17:46.38 | Kueken | so if you simulate a targeting via trigger, where you always have input delay, it will be way more laggy than data |
| 17:46.41 | Bibendus | how the hell does it work |
| 17:46.53 | Kueken | movement command lags like any other |
| 17:46.55 | Bibendus | you still have the mouse click |
| 17:47.04 | TheAlmaity | the movement command is executed immediately locally, but the server only gets the movement command after the delay |
| 17:47.18 | Bibendus | and that's obvious |
| 17:47.25 | Kueken | the mouse click gets transmitted, but the target cursor opens locally regardless |
| 17:47.29 | Bibendus | but I think the movement starts quite fast |
| 17:47.33 | Hobrow | . |
| 17:47.35 | TheAlmaity | its like the example above with the muzzle flash |
| 17:47.37 | Ahli | you still got a delay in movement commands |
| 17:47.42 | TheAlmaity | you see your units move before they actually move |
| 17:47.47 | Kueken | I am pretty sure movement has standard execution delay |
| 17:47.49 | Ahli | play campaign, then play online and compare |
| 17:47.54 | Ahli | yes |
| 17:47.56 | Bibendus | it's a prediction then? |
| 17:48.00 | Hobrow^disc | well that was some delay Oo |
| 17:48.06 | Bibendus | is the delay halved? |
| 17:48.14 | Ahli | it's covered by the right click animation of the cursor... |
| 17:48.18 | Bibendus | because the unit starts moving before receiving the confirm by the server? |
| 17:48.35 | Kueken | it doesn't |
| 17:48.41 | Bibendus | :( |
| 17:49.00 | Ahli | sc2 has "always" a synchronous game state |
| 17:49.06 | Bibendus | so the only solution is to reduce the damnhigh lag |
| 17:49.07 | Kueken | but well, you could ask the blizz guys when they are back |
| 17:49.09 | Bibendus | of bliz servers? |
| 17:49.20 | Kueken | they will not do that |
| 17:49.25 | Bibendus | one came back |
| 17:49.27 | Bibendus | said 1 phrase |
| 17:49.28 | Taintedwisp | I am creating a new Political Party, whos in? We will be known as the Cannabis Party |
| 17:49.30 | Bibendus | and went afk again :D |
| 17:49.31 | Kueken | the 250ms min delay was instanced for a reason |
| 17:49.41 | Bibendus | it's the min? |
| 17:49.43 | Ahli | maybe they are at lunch or something |
| 17:49.57 | Bibendus | what's the reason for the 250ms |
| 17:50.11 | Kueken | yes, it might be higher for bad connection, but it never gets lower |
| 17:50.12 | Ahli | 2 * 125ms approx |
| 17:50.26 | TheAlmaity | RTS' have more data to sync than FPS |
| 17:50.27 | Ahli | you would have a small addition to that with the server processing the stuff |
| 17:50.29 | ckSynergy | ok |
| 17:50.35 | TheAlmaity | in FPS, you've got like 10 players moving around and stuff |
| 17:50.40 | Bibendus | i don't get the reason forgiving it a min speed |
| 17:50.43 | ckSynergy | whats the order to issue a unit to pick up an item |
| 17:50.47 | Kueken | they just defined this number, so players with higher ping not automatically get an advantage |
| 17:50.51 | TheAlmaity | in RTS you have 100 zerglings, 40 marines, 30 tanks, a ton of medivacs and mutalisks, a shitton of workers... |
| 17:50.52 | Bibendus | if 2 players have a low ping then make it faster |
| 17:51.01 | Ahli | it's to compensating small lag spikes in the network |
| 17:51.12 | Bibendus | :| |
| 17:51.14 | Ahli | *there |
| 17:51.22 | Hobrow | increasing a dialog labels width makes it expand to the right, right? |
| 17:51.28 | Bibendus | disable this fucking shit for custom games |
| 17:51.29 | Bibendus | and gg :D |
| 17:51.43 | Kueken | :) |
| 17:51.50 | Bibendus | one thing I would like to see at least |
| 17:51.55 | Kueken | go right ahead and suggest it |
| 17:51.58 | Bibendus | is removing the server communication when you are playing alone |
| 17:52.15 | TheAlmaity | that would be nice |
| 17:52.15 | Bibendus | so it gives u 0 delay |
| 17:52.19 | Bibendus | I don't get why if i'm playing alone I must have delay :| |
| 17:52.44 | Ahli | then you can't cheat in my map as before |
| 17:53.07 | Bibendus | delayed controls |
| 17:53.07 | Taintedwisp | ahli I can cheat... I will just unlock the file and alter it mwhahaahah |
| 17:53.15 | Bibendus | whatever |
| 17:53.21 | Bibendus | how is the online play supposed to block your cheats? |
| 17:53.40 | Ashamed | with fuckingninjaz |
| 17:53.47 | Bibendus | :O |
| 17:53.55 | Deaod | verifying your gamestate independently |
| 17:53.56 | Taintedwisp | ashamed is correct |
| 17:54.07 | Ahli | yes, ninjas. |
| 17:54.41 | Ahli | no delay makes my map easy :S |
| 17:54.45 | Bommes | @Bibendus so true |
| 17:54.54 | Bommes | Just a checkbox that says "Single Player" |
| 17:54.58 | Bibendus | y |
| 17:55.00 | Bommes | I mean there is a checkbox where you can do that |
| 17:55.01 | Bommes | but |
| 17:55.03 | Bommes | its still delayed |
| 17:55.04 | Bommes | :D |
| 17:55.18 | Bibendus | oh there is one? :D |
| 17:55.18 | Bommes | y with 1.5 I believe |
| 17:55.19 | Bommes | under Game Attributes |
| 17:55.21 | Bommes | or Game Variants |
| 17:55.22 | Bibendus | didn't see it |
| 17:55.22 | Bommes | or something |
| 17:55.35 | Bibendus | oh nice |
| 17:55.37 | Ahli | I should afk in my map with an open lobby in singleplayer mode |
| 17:55.40 | Zeldarules28 | Just discovered the best thing ever. "TrigDebug" opens the debugger! |
| 17:55.42 | Bibendus | my game variants got duplicated :| |
| 17:55.46 | Zeldarules28 | Whoever said that, I applaud you |
| 17:55.47 | Bommes | Game Variants Mode |
| 17:55.49 | Bibendus | for the second time |
| 17:55.56 | Bibendus | instructs a pet piranha to munch on Blizz-Artestru's shoulder blades |
| 17:56.02 | Bibendus | here i need to slap them :D |
| 17:56.10 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:56.21 | Bibendus | why the hell the editor is fucking my map |
| 17:56.31 | Bommes | bad karma |
| 17:56.34 | Bommes | always bad karma |
| 17:56.38 | Bibendus | I didn't do anything bad :| |
| 17:56.40 | Bibendus | lately... |
| 17:56.44 | Bibendus | :D |
| 17:57.02 | Blizz-Artestru | Ouch. |
| 17:57.04 | Bommes | bad karma from your dead grand grand parents! |
| 17:57.13 | Ahli | "an unexpected file management error has occured. please try again." seems like I can't connect to EU with my 1.5.1 sc2 |
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| 17:57.30 | Taintedwisp | Hey does anyone know how large Gem TD is map size? |
| 17:57.36 | Taintedwisp | I need around that exact size |
| 17:57.37 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 17:57.39 | Swordman | 40 GB |
| 17:57.47 | Taintedwisp | not file size lawl |
| 17:57.53 | TheAlmaity | See, it worked. I said that they arent here anymore, and 34 minutes later they show up! |
| 17:57.53 | Taintedwisp | and god I hope not |
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| 17:58.32 | Bibendus | nice |
| 17:58.32 | Zeldarules28 | Now my cut scene is black...Could it be underground or something? Haven't had to learn anything new in forever >.> |
| 17:58.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | Mexa, are you here? |
| 17:58.49 | Ahli | Mexa_ |
| 17:58.56 | Bibendus | now I have to reset all the icons :| |
| 17:58.58 | Kueken | Taintedwisp: wait, let me look it up |
| 17:58.59 | Blizz-Deletarius | or that |
| 17:59.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | Mexa_ are you here? |
| 17:59.23 | Kueken | Taintedwisp: I published it, I should have it somewhere :D |
| 17:59.49 | Kueken | hm |
| 17:59.51 | Kueken | or not |
| 17:59.53 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 17:59.56 | Blizz-Artestru | Zelda - how does it look in the Director Window? |
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| 18:00.15 | Kueken | bibendus |
| 18:00.21 | Kueken | they are here! |
| 18:00.23 | Bibendus | wut |
| 18:00.24 | Zeldarules28 | In the director window it looks normal |
| 18:00.38 | Bibendus | blizguys? oh hello |
| 18:00.48 | Bibendus | deletarius |
| 18:00.52 | TheAlmaity | And we didn't even have to sacrifice a goat! *puts down butcher knife* |
| 18:00.55 | Bibendus | my game variants got duplicated again :| |
| 18:01.08 | Zeldarules28 | After playing it with a height offset of 10 or so I can see a little glimpse of the cutscene and then it goes black when the second camera is applied |
| 18:01.18 | Bibendus | are they gone already? |
| 18:01.27 | Blizz-Deletarius | ? |
| 18:01.31 | Kueken | :) |
| 18:02.12 | Kueken | wait for it... |
| 18:02.21 | Bibendus | i m making a screenshot deletarius |
| 18:02.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | glorious! |
| 18:02.37 | Blizz-Artestru | Zelda, are you using "Create Cutscene" or "Create Cutscene at Position"? |
| 18:03.11 | Bibendus | http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2043/gamevariantsduplication.jpg |
| 18:03.14 | Bibendus | this |
| 18:03.24 | Bibendus | variants got duplicated with no reason |
| 18:03.35 | Bibendus | I'm using the tutorial feature if it may be of any help |
| 18:03.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster malkavian (4f744c02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.116.76.2) |
| 18:03.53 | Bibendus | to solve the problem |
| 18:04.20 | Bibendus | i have 2 defaults too :P |
| 18:04.42 | malkavian | any way to disable auto-stacking items in 1.5? |
| 18:05.21 | Zeldarules28 | Create cut scene at position |
| 18:05.27 | silen | I have another question, how can I sum all the damage, I'm trying to do a 30% change for bonus damage from this tutorial: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/20669-video-critical-strike-tutorial/, and I try to show all the damage. The problem is the bonus damage overlaps normal damage, can I make somehow so it will show total damage ? |
| 18:05.35 | Zeldarules28 | Because the original didn't work, I added a height offset |
| 18:05.50 | Bibendus | did u see guys my glorious double variants? |
| 18:06.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | can you make a new variable that does a math arith with 2 other variables and uses that? |
| 18:06.04 | austinhudelson | can anyone help me with this? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/40911-cliff-validator/#p1 |
| 18:06.47 | Bibendus | :( |
| 18:07.15 | Blizz-Deletarius | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | something like that |
| 18:07.19 | TheAlmaity | austin, you'd probably need to use some sort of workaround... |
| 18:07.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | biben...sec |
| 18:07.35 | Bibendus | thanks :P |
| 18:07.36 | TheAlmaity | Like creating an invisible dummy unit that would try to run to target point |
| 18:07.46 | TheAlmaity | but dies after a short time |
| 18:07.50 | Blizz-Deletarius | so biben...what's the issue? |
| 18:07.51 | silen | Blizz-Deletarius, but what if I will have a lot of skills, how do I make it ? |
| 18:07.55 | Bibendus | its a bug report |
| 18:07.56 | TheAlmaity | if it reaches the target point, it executes the blink |
| 18:07.57 | Bibendus | http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2043/gamevariantsduplication.jpg |
| 18:08.10 | Bibendus | my game variants got duplicated, don't know how |
| 18:08.26 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh...I dunno anything about variants :( sorry |
| 18:08.32 | Bibendus | just report it |
| 18:08.36 | Bibendus | i can simply remove them |
| 18:08.38 | Bibendus | and reset |
| 18:08.42 | Blizz-Deletarius | well |
| 18:08.44 | Bibendus | but it's kinda annoying |
| 18:08.50 | Bibendus | it's the second time it happens |
| 18:08.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | since 1.5.0? |
| 18:08.59 | Bibendus | yes |
| 18:09.03 | Blizz-Deletarius | do you have a US account? |
| 18:09.04 | silen | the idea is, I whant to make a simple to read damge text, does someone know how ? |
| 18:09.05 | Bibendus | maybe using the tutorial functionality |
| 18:09.05 | austinhudelson | Huh. maybe that could work |
| 18:09.12 | Bibendus | i have a us account |
| 18:09.25 | Bibendus | and i m publishing on 2 regions EU and US |
| 18:09.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | could you please post your issue here: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/13437/ |
| 18:09.38 | Bibendus | kk |
| 18:09.40 | Blizz-Deletarius | this way we can get other eyes on it |
| 18:09.41 | Blizz-Deletarius | thanks |
| 18:10.18 | Blizz-Deletarius | Mexa_ are you there? |
| 18:10.59 | Blizz-Artestru | Zelda - the original should've worked. Creating a cutscene at a position is a more advanced feature and could certainly have trouble with it being under the terrain. |
| 18:11.17 | austinhudelson | wait. there are blizzard people here??? |
| 18:11.22 | Bibendus | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6294649646#1 |
| 18:11.23 | Bibendus | did it |
| 18:11.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes austin |
| 18:11.31 | Taintedwisp | :D yup |
| 18:11.36 | Zeldarules28 | That's strange. I'll try the default one again. |
| 18:11.44 | Taintedwisp | We have 2 of the 3 great Devs, that have been helping the pst week |
| 18:11.45 | Blizz-Artestru | Although.. |
| 18:11.53 | Blizz-Artestru | try to hide the environment when you play the cutscene |
| 18:11.54 | austinhudelson | That is so cool! Thank you guys for your increased intrest in the custom game making! |
| 18:11.58 | Blizz-Artestru | just in case the terrain is getting in the way |
| 18:12.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | thanks for continuing to make cool stuff :) |
| 18:12.14 | Blizz-Artestru | :) |
| 18:12.14 | Bibendus | now I have to ask you... :) |
| 18:12.28 | Blizz-Artestru | Bibendus, before you do... we can't comment on it. :() |
| 18:12.33 | TheAlmaity | oh, remembered another question, is the Data Editor part of your area of expertise? |
| 18:12.34 | Bibendus | lol |
| 18:12.37 | Bibendus | i knew it :D |
| 18:12.46 | Bibendus | is it top secret? |
| 18:12.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | the answer is C Bibendus, always C...or 42 |
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| 18:12.58 | Zeldarules28 | Using the default one and hiding terrain has the same problem, a black screen |
| 18:12.58 | Blizz-Artestru | That's why we haven't answered anything about it. We are definitely aware of it, though. |
| 18:13.10 | Bibendus | can't we know |
| 18:13.16 | Bibendus | if something may be done in the future? |
| 18:13.20 | Blizz-Artestru | Zelda: And it looks good in the director window? |
| 18:13.21 | Bibendus | maybe |
| 18:13.31 | Bibendus | if it's possible to fix it |
| 18:13.36 | Bibendus | any hope :| |
| 18:13.36 | Zeldarules28 | When I use the create at position, and give it a height offset, I can see an offset version of one of the cameras. And it looks correct in the director window. |
| 18:13.45 | Blizz-Deletarius | sorry bibendus, we can't comment |
| 18:13.49 | Bibendus | :( |
| 18:13.49 | Zeldarules28 | Are you supposed to see terrain in the Director window? |
| 18:13.50 | TheAlmaity | Blizz guys, there are some new data tabs, like Heroes and Hero Abilities, and no one has any clue as to how they work |
| 18:14.04 | Blizz-Artestru | I don't remember if terrains hows in the director window |
| 18:14.07 | austinhudelson | yeah what are those for |
| 18:14.07 | Swordman | the new tabs dont work at moment |
| 18:14.09 | TheAlmaity | Any hints you can give about them? |
| 18:14.10 | Kueken | maity, they explained yesterday |
| 18:14.15 | TheAlmaity | They did? where? |
| 18:14.23 | TheAlmaity | I wasnt here yesterday... |
| 18:14.26 | Taintedwisp | Hey is it possible to make a Cliff, a Unit, and to actually make it so that it connect to other cliff units? |
| 18:14.26 | Kueken | they are meant to use for triggers, after hots comes out |
| 18:14.29 | Bibendus | at least I'll stop making the question, hoping that you'll fix it someday :| |
| 18:14.38 | Kueken | the trigger functions are not available yet |
| 18:14.47 | Bommes | They are Campaign Data @Almaity |
| 18:14.49 | TheAlmaity | ah, ok, sort of what I expected |
| 18:14.55 | Bibendus | well kueken :P |
| 18:15.02 | TheAlmaity | simpler data referencing/saving for campaign heroes |
| 18:15.07 | Kueken | we need to sticky this stuff ^^ |
| 18:15.11 | Bommes | man you all are writing way too much |
| 18:15.13 | Bibendus | yeeeeee |
| 18:15.16 | Bommes | can't read all of that stuff |
| 18:15.17 | Bibendus | sticky it almaity :D |
| 18:15.32 | TheAlmaity | Give me a thread, I'll ask Sixen whether I can sticky it |
| 18:15.34 | Blizz-Artestru | Zelda: If you can upload your map somewhere, I can take a look. |
| 18:15.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | yea, just keep in mind that we can't comment on anything that either hasn't been released, hasn't been confirmed as coming, any release dates of features or anything else, etc |
| 18:15.55 | Kueken | uh-oh, private treatment from blizzard |
| 18:16.00 | Kueken | someone has connections ;) |
| 18:16.11 | Zeldarules28 | Alright, I'll upload it. Thanks for the help :P |
| 18:16.14 | Bibendus | :D |
| 18:16.20 | Bibendus | so it may be something in the list |
| 18:16.27 | Bibendus | at low priority |
| 18:16.29 | Hobrow | when is Hots coming? trollface.jpg :D |
| 18:16.32 | Bibendus | or maybe hots |
| 18:16.33 | Bibendus | yeee |
| 18:16.35 | Blizz-Deletarius | when it's done |
| 18:16.37 | TheAlmaity | About stuff you cant comment on, does that include startools? |
| 18:16.39 | Blizz-Artestru | Since cutscenes are so new, I'm trying to stay really in tune with people using it to make sure there aren't critical problems with them and that people understand how to use them. Plus I know Zelda will share his knowledge once he learns how. :) |
| 18:16.39 | Bibendus | nooooooo |
| 18:16.42 | Bibendus | not when it's doneeee |
| 18:16.43 | Bibendus | xD |
| 18:16.47 | Blizz-Deletarius | TM |
| 18:16.54 | Zeldarules28 | :O You know me! |
| 18:17.07 | Zeldarules28 | *blush* |
| 18:17.13 | Bibendus | what's blush? xD |
| 18:17.16 | Bibendus | lolz |
| 18:17.28 | Bommes | I bet Zelda will take half the knowledge for himself and only tell us the very basics! pfuah |
| 18:17.32 | Hobrow | Soon TM? |
| 18:17.35 | Bommes | As the evil person that he is. |
| 18:17.41 | Taintedwisp | He knows you zelda... because at night he watches you... naked |
| 18:17.42 | Bibendus | blush *tm* |
| 18:17.43 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 18:17.47 | Kueken | blush = red face when you are embarrassed right? |
| 18:18.10 | Zeldarules28 | indeed |
| 18:18.13 | malkavian | .items auto stacking in 1.5 ,,,, how to disable this?? |
| 18:18.14 | Kueken | ok |
| 18:18.28 | Kueken | malka: probably a flag? |
| 18:18.31 | Blizz-Deletarius | it's coming out when it's done™ |
| 18:18.33 | Kueken | I will take a look |
| 18:18.37 | malkavian | no such flag |
| 18:18.44 | Blizz-Artestru | Newbie wednesday topic suggestion: cutscenes :) |
| 18:18.57 | Taintedwisp | HOW CRAP!!!, brb... Chrome is taking 1.4 Gbs of Ram right now... |
| 18:19.03 | TheAlmaity | btw, out of sheer curiosity, do you play many custom maps? |
| 18:19.09 | Exaken | How many tabs have you pen? |
| 18:19.11 | Hobrow | zelda i can give you mine for showoff :D |
| 18:19.11 | Exaken | open* |
| 18:19.33 | Zeldarules28 | I want to do a show on cutscenes but I had no idea how to use the thing ;) |
| 18:19.47 | Hobrow | yeah like everyone else :D |
| 18:19.53 | Blizz-Deletarius | I enjoy ladder play primarily, however, there have been a decent amount of custom maps that I've played and enjoyed :) |
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| 18:20.01 | Zeldarules28 | I think I'll be gone today though, so I don't think I can the show >.> |
| 18:20.06 | TheAlmaity | Ok, a bit more curiosity: You tried out RuneCraft? |
| 18:20.08 | Zeldarules28 | I'll make a tutorial or something in the mean time |
| 18:20.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | Blizz-Artestru - why is the cutscene editor so awesome? |
| 18:21.10 | Hobrow | . |
| 18:21.21 | Taintedwisp | One day, we will be able to tilt doodads outside the data editor.. one of these years |
| 18:21.22 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:21.23 | Hobrow | ok its not frozen :D |
| 18:21.34 | Exaken | haha |
| 18:21.42 | Bibendus | lol |
| 18:22.00 | Bibendus | hey guys tell us what of our maps you tried :P |
| 18:22.06 | TheAlmaity | yea :p |
| 18:22.11 | Bibendus | pretty please |
| 18:22.21 | Bibendus | hoping it's not in a disclosed agreement with blizzard :P |
| 18:22.22 | TheAlmaity | I think you should maybe work together with the community a bit to figure out what to spotlight :p |
| 18:22.31 | Blizz-Deletarius | the ones with the terrain in them where you do the things |
| 18:22.33 | Hobrow | do you guys at blizzard sometimes come over to the eu servers to try out our maps? |
| 18:22.34 | Bibendus | yeah like all my maps :P |
| 18:22.40 | Blizz-Artestru | Sorry, I don't want to show favoritism, but I've played a lot of custom maps and enjoy many of them. |
| 18:22.48 | TheAlmaity | I'd vote for Magicide: Azure Strand, Bomberbot I think, and ofc mine and Zelda's: RuneCraft |
| 18:22.48 | Kueken | malkavian: besides defining the max count for charges, there seems to be no native support for item stacking, do they stack to more than max amount? |
| 18:22.53 | Taintedwisp | I would just like to bring this up lol |
| 18:22.53 | Taintedwisp | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6293489293 |
| 18:22.58 | Bibendus | bomberbot doesnt need feature |
| 18:22.59 | Bibendus | cmon :D |
| 18:23.00 | Kueken | *to prevent item stacking |
| 18:23.02 | TheAlmaity | true |
| 18:23.06 | TheAlmaity | HeroLineWars then |
| 18:23.20 | Kueken | hlw is unplayable again ^^ |
| 18:23.23 | TheAlmaity | or Catalyst: Citiyscape |
| 18:23.30 | TheAlmaity | cityscape* |
| 18:23.36 | Bibendus | btw guys |
| 18:23.39 | Bibendus | are you here only for today |
| 18:23.40 | Taintedwisp | The truth is, artestru plays Mini Chop Farms, and he knows its better then all other maps x 10 lol |
| 18:23.41 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 18:23.43 | Bibendus | or you are going to stay? |
| 18:23.44 | Blizz-Artestru | Also I almost exclusively play custom maps. I don't ladder much. |
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| 18:23.53 | Zeldarules28 | Not having to wait for approval when uploading files on mapster- awesome :P |
| 18:23.58 | TheAlmaity | lol |
| 18:24.06 | Hobrow | cheater :P |
| 18:24.19 | Zeldarules28 | Oh, they updated our admin control panel. I can ban you now ;) |
| 18:24.23 | TheAlmaity | @Artestru: Shameless selfpromotion: Give RuneCraft a shot if you haven't already. Tug of War with many options |
| 18:24.29 | TheAlmaity | Neat |
| 18:24.37 | TheAlmaity | finally us mods get the banhammer! |
| 18:24.46 | Exaken | oh noes! |
| 18:24.47 | malkavian | Kueken: well, my map already had triggers to control item stacking (when needed), I need to disable this new thing they added in 1.5 |
| 18:24.47 | Taintedwisp | @Artestru, Mini Chop Farms is where it is at, YOU GET TO CHOP DOWN TREES MAN!!! |
| 18:24.48 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:24.49 | Blizz-Deletarius | we're here as long as it's productive :) as long as I'm not given a reason to not want to come back, I'll stay and help |
| 18:24.50 | Hobrow | ohnoes |
| 18:24.53 | Zeldarules28 | Alright- My broken (but approved) cutscene: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/newbie-wednesday/files/7-cutscene-test-broken-atm/ |
| 18:25.10 | Bibendus | yeee thanks :D |
| 18:25.17 | Zeldarules28 | Everybody be nice |
| 18:25.20 | Zeldarules28 | Or else |
| 18:25.28 | TheAlmaity | anyone know whether Magicide is on the NA server? |
| 18:25.34 | Bibendus | throw ALL the insults |
| 18:25.35 | Bibendus | :D |
| 18:25.40 | Taintedwisp | lol, No the wrath of zelda... he will send link after us,,,, |
| 18:26.09 | Zeldarules28 | I seriously want to change my name... Became an admin, and one of the first things I did was try to change my name. Apparently that's not possible >.> |
| 18:26.50 | Kueken | Blizz-Deletarius: Thoughts about malkavian's question? Can you disable the automatic inventory item stacking in 1.5? |
| 18:26.56 | Taintedwisp | yeah Zelda I know... I had to make a whole new account to change mine |
| 18:27.05 | Blizz-Artestru | Zelda, first problem is you should only have one Active Camera Node. |
| 18:27.06 | Taintedwisp | Rageofhell.... BLEH, dang WoW name |
| 18:27.06 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:27.12 | Blizz-Artestru | You can have multiple cuts on a single layer. |
| 18:27.17 | Bibendus | I suppose we can't ask the release date for the arcade market, right= :P |
| 18:27.23 | Blizz-Artestru | Having two of them fighting for control is asking for trouble. Although that's not necessarily what's wrong yet. |
| 18:27.40 | Taintedwisp | bibendus... dont get me started... lol |
| 18:27.48 | Bibendus | *whistle* |
| 18:27.51 | Taintedwisp | \no I am not for it... at all lawl |
| 18:27.54 | Taintedwisp | my rage lol |
| 18:28.06 | Bibendus | can't one simply make it as a work? |
| 18:28.07 | Blizz-Deletarius | Kueken - is there a thread made specifically about this issue? |
| 18:28.09 | TheAlmaity | btw, is replying to reviews planned/thought about yet? |
| 18:28.10 | Bibendus | I don't get what's wrong :P |
| 18:28.19 | Zeldarules28 | How do you move two cameras into the same layer then? |
| 18:28.25 | Kueken | No, it just came up in this channel |
| 18:28.29 | Zeldarules28 | Dragging doesn't seem to work :/ |
| 18:28.37 | Taintedwisp | lol I think as a player first and a mapper second, this is just my hobby lol. |
| 18:28.38 | Kueken | its a question currently, not an issue |
| 18:28.39 | Blizz-Deletarius | if one is made, I can pass it along |
| 18:28.51 | Kueken | is there a way we don't know? |
| 18:29.20 | Blizz-Deletarius | brb |
| 18:29.29 | Taintedwisp | That reminds me, We need a major balance change, The ultralisk should poop out banelings that explode to carriers that send out ultralisk... would make the entire game PURE balanced |
| 18:29.39 | TheAlmaity | "They are not here" (Lets see whether it works this time) |
| 18:29.41 | Bibendus | uh uh uh I have a question too about 1.5 :D |
| 18:30.10 | Bibendus | with 1.5 now the mouse world click event is triggered even clicking on the minimap, can I disable this feature in anyway? |
| 18:30.17 | malkavian | >>only related thing i found on forum about item stack issue: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6231594238#6 |
| 18:30.49 | Zeldarules28 | will brb |
| 18:30.51 | malkavian | also question is asked on mapster but no replies |
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| 18:31.01 | Scorp_ | yo blizz |
| 18:31.07 | Scorp_ | you're there? |
| 18:31.11 | Blizz-Artestru | Zelda: Right click the Active Camera Node and select "Add Camera Cut" |
| 18:31.17 | Scorp_ | you are |
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| 18:32.18 | ckSynergy | I hate it when I'm missing something blantently obvious |
| 18:32.26 | Bibendus | I have an unanswered thread too about the minimap click http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/map-development/38403-mouse-click-event-now-triggering-on-minimap-arcade/#p1 |
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| 18:32.48 | Scorp_ | the mar sara texture's textures now have a Height Map, which seem to break their functionality |
| 18:33.36 | Taintedwisp | I know I asked this earlier, but I think It might have been bypassed, lol, Was whichever Dev that was looking into it get any information reguarding http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6291059099#1 |
| 18:34.26 | TheAlmaity | I have to leave soon, could you answer my question about whether replying to reviews is already being considered, and if its not could you maybe pass the suggestion on to whomever is in charge of that area? |
| 18:34.33 | Deaod | Artestru or Deletarius, can i report galaxy bugs to you? |
| 18:35.00 | TheAlmaity | I don't have an NA account so I can't post on the forums for you guys (Unless you check EU as well) |
| 18:35.23 | Blizz-Deletarius | Deaod, it would be better to make a thread containing them on the NA forums (if you have an account there) otherwise post them on EU/SEA/SG/TW/KR and shoot the link our way |
| 18:35.35 | Deaod | mkay |
| 18:35.42 | Blizz-Deletarius | this way if others have the same issue they can comment as well |
| 18:35.58 | Deaod | well, its obscure so i dont think anyone has ever run into them |
| 18:36.02 | Exaken | mh cutscene editor crashed on me:D |
| 18:36.07 | Deaod | anyway |
| 18:36.12 | Deaod | ill make a thread |
| 18:36.14 | Zeldarules28 | Right clicking the "Starcam" under the director and choosing 'add camera cut' changes which camera is used, but it doesn't seem to add a second camera to the same "line" |
| 18:36.18 | Blizz-Deletarius | thanks :) |
| 18:36.44 | Blizz-Artestru | Zelda: Do it at a different time |
| 18:36.51 | Blizz-Artestru | It adds a key at the current time |
| 18:37.04 | Blizz-Artestru | Try adding a few keys going back and forth between the two cameras every few seconds |
| 18:37.09 | Zeldarules28 | Aha, that makes things much more clear |
| 18:37.18 | Blizz-Artestru | Also, I found your problem: your cutscene is way off the map bounds |
| 18:37.29 | Blizz-Artestru | So when you do standard create cutscene, it's playing out of bounds |
| 18:37.31 | Blizz-Artestru | so you can't see them |
| 18:37.35 | TheAlmaity | I take it you can't comment on replying to reviews? Or am I just being ignored :( |
| 18:37.39 | Blizz-Artestru | when you played "at position" you were closer |
| 18:37.49 | Blizz-Artestru | but the objects were under the terrain |
| 18:38.04 | Blizz-Artestru | best bet if you want your cutscene to be a "gameplay" cutscene is to import the terrain |
| 18:38.10 | Blizz-Artestru | make sure ground is visible (toggle G) |
| 18:38.12 | Blizz-Artestru | then build it on the terrain |
| 18:38.15 | Zeldarules28 | Oh noes, don't ignore maity! I didn't realize that cut scenes were relative to terrain |
| 18:38.34 | Kueken | maity, the problem is on your side |
| 18:38.38 | Kueken | you are invisible |
| 18:38.44 | Blizz-Artestru | You can use "blend to terrain" to get the models to snap to the terrain's height |
| 18:38.54 | Zeldarules28 | Aha, you can import terrain |
| 18:38.57 | Blizz-Artestru | also: there may be an issue with playing cutscenes on Map Init |
| 18:39.01 | Zeldarules28 | that would certainly help |
| 18:39.06 | Blizz-Artestru | Try making a chat message event and play on that |
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| 18:39.22 | Exaken | My rocks in the cutscene editor are black, any idea why? |
| 18:39.41 | Zeldarules28 | I am playing on a chat message |
| 18:39.43 | Zeldarules28 | 'go' |
| 18:39.45 | Blizz-Artestru | okay |
| 18:40.10 | Blizz-Artestru | You should be good to go, though... just make sure the actors are on the terrain |
| 18:40.16 | Zeldarules28 | So how do I import terrain? The option is checked and I have ground rendering turned on, but it's not showing the ground... |
| 18:40.23 | Blizz-Artestru | by the way, ctrl-shift-click will place the selected actor on whatever you clicked |
| 18:40.29 | Blizz-Artestru | on the toolbar |
| 18:40.34 | Blizz-Artestru | the mount with an arrow |
| 18:40.36 | Blizz-Artestru | mountain |
| 18:40.44 | Zeldarules28 | Oh, I see it now, they're WAY off :P |
| 18:40.49 | Blizz-Artestru | :) |
| 18:41.01 | Zeldarules28 | Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it :P |
| 18:41.14 | Blizz-Artestru | No problem. Just make sure you share your knowledge :) |
| 18:41.24 | Zeldarules28 | Of course ;) |
| 18:41.36 | Bibendus | oh damn i didn't check if they answered me |
| 18:42.22 | Bibendus | oh zelda u ll have to create a huge post u know :P |
| 18:42.54 | Scorp_ | hf with that |
| 18:42.56 | Bibendus | Blizz-Artestru do you know anything about my minimap problem? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/map-development/38403-mouse-click-event-now-triggering-on-minimap-arcade/#p1 |
| 18:43.02 | Zeldarules28 | For what, the cinematic tutorial? |
| 18:43.14 | Zeldarules28 | I'll actually get started on one in a bit to make up for the lack of a show today |
| 18:43.34 | Zeldarules28 | Where is this 'blend to terrain' option? Anybody used it before? |
| 18:43.39 | TheAlmaity | If they ever stop ignoring me and answer the question, some tell me over skype, gotta go in a minute. I guess I offended them with the goat sacrificed. Will get better goats next time. |
| 18:43.54 | Bibendus | lol |
| 18:43.55 | Blizz-Artestru | It's a property on the actor model |
| 18:43.58 | Blizz-Artestru | in the cutscene |
| 18:43.59 | Blizz-Deletarius | what question is that almaity? |
| 18:43.59 | Blizz-Artestru | not actor actor |
| 18:44.12 | Blizz-Artestru | Bibendus: I don't, I'll have to forward that to someone else. |
| 18:44.21 | TheAlmaity | "whether replying to reviews is already being considered, and if its not could you maybe pass the suggestion on to whomever is in charge of that area?" |
| 18:44.49 | Blizz-Artestru | I'll make sure the suggestion gets filed. |
| 18:44.51 | Blizz-Deletarius | we'll pass it along |
| 18:44.52 | Exaken | Any Idea why my rocks are black? http://i49.tinypic.com/n6p4b4.jpg |
| 18:44.53 | TheAlmaity | Thanks :) |
| 18:45.01 | Zeldarules28 | Aha, add property layer. I see :P Thanks once again |
| 18:45.03 | TheAlmaity | Also pass along something to get rid of blank ones |
| 18:45.06 | Kueken | seems the goat wasn't the problem |
| 18:45.12 | TheAlmaity | like a character minimum or some kind of filter |
| 18:45.22 | Kueken | next time we will make a human sacrifice, though, just to mak esure |
| 18:45.24 | Deaod | artestru, heres the thread: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5105110730#1 |
| 18:45.26 | TheAlmaity | was nice talking to you guys |
| 18:45.29 | Scorp_ | blank reviews are indeed annoying |
| 18:45.29 | TheAlmaity | cya some other time |
| 18:45.39 | Zeldarules28 | We really appreciate you being here :) |
| 18:45.53 | Blizz-Artestru | Exaken: Try opening the terrain editor then going back to cutscenes and reimporting the terrain. |
| 18:45.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | :) |
| 18:45.55 | Kueken | and we really don't want to be in your shoes right now xD |
| 18:46.10 | Deaod | errrr |
| 18:46.12 | Bibendus | thanks Blizz-Artestru |
| 18:46.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | my flip flops are rather comfy right now :) |
| 18:46.33 | Kueken | :-* |
| 18:46.41 | Deaod | deletarius, i mean. |
| 18:46.48 | Deaod | sorry... |
| 18:47.13 | Exaken | mh my rocks are still black |
| 18:47.17 | Blizz-Deletarius | hm? |
| 18:47.18 | Deaod | http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5105110730 |
| 18:47.42 | Blizz-Deletarius | oh, ok, thanks :) |
| 18:48.43 | malkavian | blizz guys can you shed light on item stack problem? |
| 18:49.08 | Zeldarules28 | I'll brb guys |
| 18:49.14 | malkavian | how can I disable items auto-stacking ? (1.5 feature) |
| 18:49.19 | Deaod | also, if you dont mind me asking, is the workaround for arrayrefs using typedefs intentional? |
| 18:49.51 | Blizz-Artestru | Exaken: Is Render->Campaign Mode on? If so, turn it off. |
| 18:50.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | malkavian - have you created a thread regarding this? |
| 18:50.29 | Exaken | nope, it's not on |
| 18:50.37 | Kueken | I can confirm black rocks |
| 18:50.51 | Kueken | blank map, no campaign mode, tried the reimporting |
| 18:50.59 | malkavian | there is a post about this http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6231594238#6 |
| 18:51.03 | Kueken | enabled campaign mode no difference |
| 18:51.31 | Blizz-Artestru | Regarding the black rocks, I've seen this before, and I can't remember what the workaround is. I believe there's a fix already for an upcoming patch. Either way, it won't impact the cutscene when played back in the game -- it's a CSE bug. |
| 18:52.05 | Exaken | ok |
| 18:52.43 | Kueken | oh, did you create the workflow thread you mentioned earlier already? |
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| 18:53.10 | Blizz-Deletarius | not yet, tbd on that |
| 18:53.30 | Blizz-Deletarius | afk for a bit |
| 18:53.38 | Blizz-Artestru | same |
| 18:53.53 | Taintedwisp | :D, Hopefully our little community wont affend you devs anytime soon lol |
| 18:54.01 | Taintedwisp | offend(* |
| 18:54.03 | Hobrow | time to publish hz2 with the new cutscene :D |
| 18:54.12 | Hobrow | hzd2 |
| 18:56.16 | Taintedwisp | I have re-viligo |
| 18:56.23 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 18:56.35 | Taintedwisp | So vailreth hows everything going today? |
| 18:57.36 | Vailreth | pretty good waiting for my raiderZ email and playing some minecrafrt |
| 18:57.54 | Scorp_ | btw Blizz, why is it that the open games list says "text" instead of "next"? I had expected that to be fixed with the patch today |
| 18:58.09 | Taintedwisp | scorp they answered that |
| 18:58.10 | Taintedwisp | Its a bug |
| 18:58.13 | Scorp_ | oh |
| 18:58.14 | Taintedwisp | Its supposed to say Show More |
| 18:58.15 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:58.25 | Taintedwisp | It is now saying show more until you put the mouse over it |
| 18:58.28 | Scorp_ | still odd that it didnt get fixed today |
| 18:58.43 | Taintedwisp | It will take an actual patch |
| 18:59.06 | Taintedwisp | was a patch out today? |
| 18:59.14 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
| 19:00.22 | TheSkunk__ | It was fixed, on NA |
| 19:00.28 | Taintedwisp | Placeholder text no longer appears when mousing over the Show More button in the Open Games list. |
| 19:00.31 | Taintedwisp | yup |
| 19:00.32 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:00.39 | Taintedwisp | cause NA is better then Eu |
| 19:00.42 | Taintedwisp | USA USA USA |
| 19:00.43 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:00.54 | Scorp_ | lol |
| 19:01.08 | Scorp_ | I just had this idea |
| 19:01.12 | Hobrow | perhaps you should reduce your "lol" count per day |
| 19:01.15 | Scorp_ | Starcraft Olympics |
| 19:01.19 | Taintedwisp | eww |
| 19:01.33 | Taintedwisp | But hobrow I am only up to 1050k... per day |
| 19:01.54 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:01.56 | Taintedwisp | haha |
| 19:02.29 | Taintedwisp | I talk while no productivity is going on lawl, When the devs get back and everything is active again I will keep it a little lower lol |
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| 19:02.51 | Taintedwisp | Hey CK... why you no badass like me? |
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| 19:06.04 | Taintedwisp | Someone drive to Wadesboro NC, and go pick me up a couple Captain Ds Fish Samiches |
| 19:06.05 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 19:06.37 | Kueken | kk, sec |
| 19:06.52 | Kueken | living in germany, how long would it take me? |
| 19:07.19 | Taintedwisp | just under 24 hours |
| 19:07.20 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:07.32 | Taintedwisp | fly to charlotte... drive 45 minutes |
| 19:07.35 | Taintedwisp | ... and BOOM |
| 19:07.41 | Taintedwisp | then the Captain is just down the streat |
| 19:07.45 | Taintedwisp | street* |
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| 19:09.29 | Taintedwisp | http://www.gibbstech.com/aquada.php I need that car, then im changing my name to james bond. |
| 19:09.30 | Taintedwisp | lol |
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| 19:11.00 | Scorp_ | wtf |
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| 19:12.42 | Daara | even foo's |
| 19:12.44 | egod | ahli |
| 19:13.12 | egod | you have a link for paint.net ? |
| 19:13.16 | Taintedwisp | I am going to go play some starcracft for a little bit |
| 19:13.28 | Daara | are the blizzard guys actually here? or is their computer still running from last night? |
| 19:13.46 | Bommes | I thought you barely eat any fast food at all and you already ate some yesterday Tainted |
| 19:13.55 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:13.55 | Ahli | egod, http://www.getpaint.net/ |
| 19:14.05 | Taintedwisp | I said I barely eat it, Not that I dont be wanting some |
| 19:14.05 | Bommes | I'm disappointed now! |
| 19:14.05 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 19:14.15 | egod | k thx |
| 19:14.23 | Bommes | so you always fight against your own desire? :D |
| 19:14.30 | Taintedwisp | Yup |
| 19:14.37 | Taintedwisp | Keeps my morals inline with everything else |
| 19:14.57 | Daara | So Ahli |
| 19:15.02 | Daara | I tried switching it to custom deaths |
| 19:15.06 | Daara | to have different variations |
| 19:15.12 | Daara | but it won't play the actor :< |
| 19:15.26 | Taintedwisp | Speaking of spending money... I ahve to go to the dollartree today... for a broom, Shaving Cream, Shampoo, and some tea bags lol |
| 19:15.32 | Taintedwisp | Glad I remembered |
| 19:15.35 | Taintedwisp | I hate spending... |
| 19:15.40 | Taintedwisp | I hate shopping too though |
| 19:16.24 | Daara | Blizz-Artestru : Blizz-Deletarius : you guys here? or you still afk from last night? |
| 19:16.55 | TheSkunk__ | They've been here |
| 19:17.11 | TheSkunk__ | they might be out atm but they've been talking on and off for the past 6 hours or so |
| 19:17.21 | egod | who is Blizz-Artestru |
| 19:17.25 | Daara | just had an earthquake in southern cal |
| 19:17.28 | Daara | near irvine |
| 19:17.46 | Taintedwisp | Artustru and Deletarius are actual Blizzard devs |
| 19:17.54 | Taintedwisp | and both have already proven themselves time and time again |
| 19:17.55 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:18.13 | egod | why they hide here? |
| 19:18.17 | Daara | they are helping us |
| 19:18.24 | Taintedwisp | lol, They answer questions reguarding the editor |
| 19:18.32 | TheSkunk__ | "About 30 earthquakes strike in Southern California 'sequence'" -- "A cluster of earthquakes that began Tuesday night continued Wednesday in northern Orange County, keeping residents on edge but causing little significant damage." |
| 19:18.38 | Taintedwisp | They are very helpful, and are getting a few bugs through to the peeps who fix it |
| 19:20.01 | Daara | anyone worked with custom deaths before? |
| 19:20.57 | ckSynergy | urg |
| 19:22.18 | egod | Ahli im trying it right now, i use paint.net , uploading and testing http://twitch.tv/egod123 |
| 19:22.53 | *** part/#sc2mapster malkavian (4f744c02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.116.76.2) |
| 19:24.01 | ckSynergy | OMFG I DID IT! |
| 19:24.07 | ckSynergy | YES YES YES YES YES! |
| 19:24.32 | Daara | lol |
| 19:24.35 | Daara | validating triggers |
| 19:24.37 | Daara | I LOVE THAT ONE |
| 19:24.44 | ckSynergy | derp what? |
| 19:24.45 | egod | :D |
| 19:25.13 | Daara | whats it at? |
| 19:25.18 | ckSynergy | I made a shop, where you can buy an item, that doesnt use ANY triggers, that puts the item in your inventory |
| 19:25.20 | Daara | i can't read it |
| 19:25.26 | ckSynergy | and CAN BE VALIDATED! |
| 19:25.37 | ckSynergy | oh |
| 19:25.39 | Daara | is that 600 seconds? |
| 19:25.42 | ckSynergy | and it DOESNT USE THE TRAIN ABILITY! |
| 19:25.52 | Kueken | daara: I made a couple of custom deaths |
| 19:26.05 | Kueken | however nothing special, no model editin |
| 19:26.06 | Kueken | g |
| 19:26.10 | Daara | well |
| 19:26.12 | Daara | here's the issue |
| 19:26.22 | Daara | i have male and female model variations |
| 19:26.46 | Daara | and in order to make them lay on the ground like they are dead, i added in a death actor that paused the animation |
| 19:26.58 | Daara | however because of the variation it would sometimes use the wrong variation |
| 19:27.08 | Daara | and a male would become a female during the death |
| 19:27.14 | egod | not working :( |
| 19:27.20 | Kueken | okay |
| 19:27.25 | egod | same result, what the fuk |
| 19:27.28 | Daara | so i switched it up to custom deaths |
| 19:27.39 | Daara | made 2 different variations |
| 19:27.49 | Kueken | did you look it up in the dark templars? they use 2 variations and different death animations |
| 19:27.54 | Daara | yea |
| 19:27.57 | Daara | well that's the thing |
| 19:28.01 | Daara | they don't have a "death actor" |
| 19:28.14 | Daara | in the custom deaths |
| 19:28.16 | Daara | just a model |
| 19:28.37 | Daara | i'm trying to get the custom death to play the death actor |
| 19:28.39 | Daara | but it won't |
| 19:28.53 | Daara | it also won't play the correct sound |
| 19:30.16 | Kueken | most units use a generic death actor |
| 19:30.25 | Kueken | called UnitDeathModel |
| 19:30.33 | Kueken | you can use a custom one instead |
| 19:30.43 | Daara | i have 2 custom ones that need to be used based on variation |
| 19:30.44 | Kueken | by modifying the according actor field |
| 19:33.59 | Daara | Have you looked at the Dark Templar? |
| 19:35.18 | Kueken | yes |
| 19:35.41 | Kueken | it specifies the 2 model variants in the Custom Death field |
| 19:35.58 | Daara | k i did that |
| 19:36.04 | Kueken | and uses events to trigger the correct death based on variation |
| 19:36.13 | Daara | yep |
| 19:36.18 | Daara | and that's fine |
| 19:36.31 | Daara | except i want it to use an actor as well |
| 19:36.49 | Daara | so that i can pause the death animation when they hit the ground |
| 19:36.58 | Kueken | then use a custom death actor |
| 19:37.02 | Daara | i did |
| 19:37.05 | Daara | it doesn't work :< |
| 19:37.15 | Kueken | copy the default UnitDeathModel actor |
| 19:37.15 | Daara | not for custom deaths at least |
| 19:37.36 | Kueken | then change the Death Actor Model to your copy |
| 19:37.48 | ckSynergy | can someone write a tutorial for me? |
| 19:38.25 | ckSynergy | nevermind |
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| 19:40.56 | egod | will blame the new patch for this bug |
| 19:41.00 | egod | didnt append to me before |
| 19:43.42 | Kueken | daara: they don't? |
| 19:43.58 | Daara | no |
| 19:44.11 | Daara | they worked when i used it without custom death events |
| 19:44.56 | Daara | if i trigger it through an actor event the death actor won't play |
| 19:45.12 | Daara | either will the sound associated with the custom death |
| 19:49.24 | Daara | All I had to do to get the correct actor to play with the normal death effects was put the correct actor in the Actor model field |
| 19:49.38 | Daara | doing the same with custom deaths doesn't work |
| 19:49.51 | Kueken | seems to work just fine for me |
| 19:53.11 | Zeldarules28 | Okay guys, fear not. My first terribad cutscene is finished |
| 19:53.20 | TheSkunk__ | sweet |
| 19:53.27 | Zeldarules28 | I will allow you to witness it's glory in the near future |
| 19:57.51 | Daara | hold on i'll put up some screenshots |
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| 20:00.40 | Iiris | Hi blizz |
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| 20:01.45 | Ashamed_ | ahhh COCAIN |
| 20:01.46 | Taintedwisp | ASHAMED!!! |
| 20:01.47 | Taintedwisp | GTFO |
| 20:01.48 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 20:01.51 | Taintedwisp | welcome back |
| 20:01.51 | Ashamed_ | NO |
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| 20:01.54 | Ashamed_ | i like COCAIN |
| 20:02.08 | Ashamed_ | or however you spell it... |
| 20:02.09 | Taintedwisp | NO you like John MCCAINs..... penis |
| 20:02.23 | Ashamed_ | I do ;) |
| 20:02.35 | Icebane | Anyone know how to break an ongoing animation by triggers? |
| 20:03.04 | Icebane | I tried actors messages but can't get it to work. |
| 20:05.07 | Ashamed | sorry bane not me :( |
| 20:05.28 | Ashamed | oh speaking of mccains dick.. funny that mcain picked Sarah Palin for his VP and now Mitt is going to be president |
| 20:05.29 | Ashamed | >< |
| 20:07.00 | Taintedwisp | ehh |
| 20:07.08 | Taintedwisp | All politicians are evil |
| 20:07.15 | Taintedwisp | everyone of them shall burn... |
| 20:07.19 | Daara | ok kueken |
| 20:07.26 | Daara | here's the custom deaths data |
| 20:07.27 | Daara | http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/CustomDeath.jpg |
| 20:08.44 | Daara | actor even that should run the custom deaths |
| 20:08.47 | Daara | event* |
| 20:08.48 | Daara | http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/DeathCustomize.jpg |
| 20:09.17 | Daara | and the actor that should play when the custom death is used |
| 20:09.19 | Daara | http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/DeathActor.jpg |
| 20:11.00 | Kueken | looks about right |
| 20:11.22 | egod | OMG IT WORKKKK |
| 20:11.47 | egod | its the fuking image size |
| 20:11.52 | Daara | grats :D |
| 20:12.06 | Daara | i mean it's not any different than the normal death events |
| 20:12.22 | Daara | except i use an event to trigger the custom deaths |
| 20:12.40 | Daara | it still plays the zealot death sound |
| 20:12.45 | Daara | rather than jim raynor, or a medics |
| 20:13.08 | Kueken | hm |
| 20:13.28 | Kueken | I cannot help you very much with the screenshots |
| 20:13.37 | egod | ahli it worked, its the image resolution strected problem |
| 20:13.41 | Kueken | I would experiment a little, if I had the map |
| 20:14.04 | Daara | let me port it over to another map |
| 20:14.13 | Kueken | :) |
| 20:14.48 | Kueken | I understand, but don't worry, nobody here would steal anything |
| 20:16.19 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTaBROOJ-mE good song |
| 20:16.21 | Daara | it's those sneaky blizzard guys i'm worried about |
| 20:17.08 | Kueken | gah, I hate germany sometimes |
| 20:17.18 | Kueken | 50% of those videos are blocked here |
| 20:17.39 | Taintedwisp | HAHAHAHA |
| 20:17.48 | Kueken | well, proxy ftw |
| 20:17.52 | Taintedwisp | Its White Balloons - Sick puppies |
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| 20:19.53 | TheSkunk__ | lol..some wierd balance changes annouced |
| 20:21.54 | Kueken | specify |
| 20:22.51 | TheSkunk__ | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6294289730 |
| 20:25.41 | Ahli | seems like I need to make a news post with that |
| 20:26.43 | Kueken | doesn't seem so weird to me |
| 20:27.09 | TheSkunk__ | yeah, I guess |
| 20:27.24 | Kueken | I didn't watch THAT much starcraft recently, but I had the feeling for some time, that creep spread is a little strong |
| 20:27.31 | Kueken | and ravens were like never used |
| 20:27.43 | Kueken | apart from maybe one for a pdd |
| 20:29.16 | Daara | kueken sent you the file |
| 20:29.42 | Kueken | yep, downloading already |
| 20:32.21 | Daara | the footman model and actor are the ones i was working with |
| 20:32.47 | Daara | the rest of the units should have the death actor working, but playing the incorrect variations on death |
| 20:33.39 | egod | WHAT |
| 20:33.41 | egod | didnt work |
| 20:33.43 | egod | again |
| 20:33.48 | egod | w t f |
| 20:40.37 | Blizz-Deletarius | back |
| 20:41.11 | Kueken | welcome back, we missed you |
| 20:41.28 | Blizz-Artestru | :) |
| 20:41.29 | Blizz-Deletarius | thanks |
| 20:42.44 | egod | why you guys renamed all the texture with decal_protoss_0021_011111.dds with decal_protoss_0021_01.dds |
| 20:42.48 | Kueken | Daara: The ZealotDeathFX Sound is still set up in the Death Effects field |
| 20:43.03 | Daara | think it's overriding the other ones? |
| 20:43.21 | Kueken | nah the other ones dont work |
| 20:43.25 | Kueken | dont seem to |
| 20:43.41 | Kueken | the fields are probably not functional |
| 20:44.32 | Kueken | however you can easily make the different actors create individual sound actors |
| 20:44.57 | Kueken | or ask the blizzard guys, if the fields don't work or we are just too stupid to use them ;) |
| 20:45.13 | Daara | oh they are back |
| 20:45.20 | Sixen | Kueken: Has instarcraft.de contacted you? |
| 20:45.27 | Kueken | yep |
| 20:45.29 | Sixen | mmk |
| 20:45.52 | Sixen | Same thing from me basically. |
| 20:46.00 | Daara | Blizz-Artestru and Blizz-Deletarius , do you know if all of the fields in the Custom Death actors are functional? |
| 20:46.22 | Blizz-Deletarius | I personally don't sorry |
| 20:46.23 | Blizz-Artestru | I'm sorry, I don't know that offhand. |
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| 20:47.59 | Daara | well my issue is that i cannot get the Actor Model or the Sound to play in the Custom Deaths field |
| 20:48.08 | Kueken | btw daara |
| 20:48.19 | Kueken | the actors are supposed to pause right? |
| 20:48.23 | Daara | yes |
| 20:48.25 | Kueken | but they don't do it |
| 20:48.36 | Daara | yea that's what the death actor is suppose to do |
| 20:48.41 | Daara | kill a unit that isn't a footman |
| 20:48.42 | Daara | and you'll see |
| 20:48.58 | Daara | except if you pay close attention sometimes a male while turn female and vis versa |
| 20:49.00 | Kueken | okay, so the death actor for the custom death could have no effect as well |
| 20:49.41 | Kueken | on the other hand, there is one field called actor and another one actor model |
| 20:49.45 | Kueken | did you try both? |
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| 20:50.16 | Daara | i only see Actor model and Model |
| 20:51.15 | Kueken | okay |
| 20:51.25 | Kueken | the actor field is for squibs only, it seems |
| 20:51.30 | Daara | the field that is Actor is for the body squibs thing |
| 20:51.32 | Daara | yea |
| 20:52.34 | Hobrow | turns out a 54min replay takes a while even on 8x speed :/ |
| 20:52.58 | Kueken | you can replace the death actor model in the actor, that works |
| 20:53.05 | Kueken | so the pausing would work at least |
| 20:53.19 | Kueken | but then we would have the sound problem still remaining |
| 20:53.59 | Daara | you mean in? Combat: Death Actor ModelUnitDeathModel |
| 20:54.02 | Ashamed_ | i don't get how people can deny that pitbulls arn't bad >< every year over 50% fatal dog attacks = pitbulls. Every other breas is normally less then 5% other guard dogs are around 10% ( Rotties and German Shepard type dogs ) |
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| 20:54.28 | Daara | aren't springer spaniels and cocker spaniels high up on the list too? |
| 20:54.36 | Daara | they have that rage blackout syndrome |
| 20:54.51 | Ashamed | no |
| 20:54.56 | Ashamed | only pitbulls really |
| 20:55.02 | Daara | hmm |
| 20:55.08 | Ashamed | http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities.php |
| 20:55.10 | Daara | that's actually surprising |
| 20:55.14 | Ashamed | every year putbull = more then 50% |
| 20:55.24 | Daara | i was attacked by a cocker spaniel when i was 7 |
| 20:55.33 | Daara | i have 14 stitch scar on my shoulder |
| 20:55.38 | Ashamed | its because people don't do research... Banning them is legit cause... because the people these dogs kill are small children |
| 20:55.40 | Ashamed | its very sad |
| 20:55.54 | Ashamed | yeah it may be the people buying the dogs |
| 20:55.59 | Ashamed | but no matter what its happening |
| 20:56.16 | Daara | any dog can be mean |
| 20:56.23 | Daara | based upon the owner |
| 20:56.25 | Daara | but you're right |
| 20:56.31 | Daara | pit bulls are just mean as hell |
| 20:56.39 | Daara | unless the owner is awesome |
| 20:56.56 | Vailreth | i hate my isp.. |
| 20:57.09 | Hobrow | why that? |
| 20:57.48 | Vailreth | well im paying high dollard for like 20 mb down speed |
| 20:57.57 | Kueken | hm |
| 20:57.58 | Vailreth | like fifty usd a month |
| 20:58.06 | Kueken | it worked in my test map, not in your map |
| 20:58.09 | Kueken | :/ |
| 20:58.13 | Daara | lol wut |
| 20:58.35 | Ashamed_ | yeah daara that is how i would rank pitbulls they are just normally mean unless they are trained correctly |
| 20:58.42 | Ashamed_ | and most people don't train them good |
| 20:59.00 | Ashamed_ | and then they go kill someone........ i would fucking flip if some dog attacked my baby |
| 20:59.34 | Daara | the dog wouldn't have survived if it attacked one of my kids |
| 20:59.46 | Ashamed_ | i dunno when i look up deaths and i see 70%.. and then 5% other breads.. its kinda shocking |
| 21:00.07 | Vailreth | and sometimes my actually download speed drops to 12 bs |
| 21:00.07 | Daara | people get pit bulls because they are mean |
| 21:00.21 | Daara | because they wan't to have a dog that is intimidating |
| 21:00.34 | Ashamed_ | exactly and they give it raw meat and mean it up |
| 21:00.39 | Ashamed_ | and when its around them they are like its perfect see |
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| 21:00.46 | Daara | and wonder why it kills their 16 month old |
| 21:00.48 | Ashamed_ | and then one day it escapes and there is nothing no one else can do |
| 21:01.04 | Ashamed_ | It happened to me |
| 21:01.11 | Ashamed_ | we had like 6 people fucking jumping this pitbull |
| 21:01.22 | Ashamed_ | and kicking the shit out of it.. and it wouldn't let go ouf our lab |
| 21:01.31 | Vailreth | pitbulls are a violent breed and tough |
| 21:01.34 | Ashamed_ | finally the owner came and the dog jumped off right away |
| 21:01.44 | Ashamed_ | but we were jumping it for a good 5 minutes |
| 21:01.53 | Ashamed_ | like i was stomping on its rib cage |
| 21:02.19 | Daara | bred to be tough and mean |
| 21:02.28 | Ashamed_ | and the owner was of course some meat head fucker |
| 21:02.37 | Daara | WHY YOU HURTING MY DOG |
| 21:02.38 | Daara | OMG |
| 21:02.50 | Daara | ITS JUST TRYING TO KILL YOURS |
| 21:02.53 | Ashamed_ | lol |
| 21:02.55 | Daara | HE JUS PLAYIN |
| 21:03.01 | Ashamed_ | that is what he said |
| 21:03.07 | Ashamed_ | he was like thats how he plays with his brother |
| 21:03.08 | Ashamed_ | sorry |
| 21:03.11 | Ashamed_ | and i was like fuck you dude |
| 21:03.27 | Ashamed_ | that dog that we had.. we had just rescued it from the pound like the day before |
| 21:03.33 | Ashamed_ | it was a very shitty situation lol |
| 21:04.16 | Vailreth | here in texas you could sue the owner of a pit for your dogs medical and if the sad happened funirary expenses |
| 21:04.18 | Ashamed_ | we ended up bringing that dog back as well because it kept growing at our baby... but still it was fucking crazy. My wife picked up our little dog because thats what he headed for first |
| 21:04.31 | Ashamed_ | k got a meeting |
| 21:05.11 | Daara | later |
| 21:05.20 | Vailreth | later |
| 21:05.30 | Daara | Kueken are you seeing anything different between your test map and mine? |
| 21:06.00 | Kueken | I just deleted the custom deaths of your footmen, but they still work o_0 |
| 21:06.49 | Daara | well it should |
| 21:07.03 | Daara | they should play the death animation regardless |
| 21:07.09 | Daara | they should just disappear |
| 21:07.13 | Daara | when they hit the ground |
| 21:07.50 | Kueken | okay, thats what they did all the time anyway |
| 21:08.31 | Daara | the death actor if it works should pause the death animation like .1 seconds before it would disappear |
| 21:08.46 | Daara | so they appear to be laying on the ground |
| 21:10.44 | Vailreth | that reminds me id love a pack of doodads of dead units |
| 21:11.17 | Daara | what kind of units? |
| 21:11.22 | Vailreth | all of them |
| 21:11.34 | Vailreth | from sc2 i mean |
| 21:11.38 | Daara | yea |
| 21:12.12 | Daara | probably could just take em into 3ds max and remove all the animation |
| 21:12.38 | Vailreth | or blender now that there is the blender addons for that |
| 21:12.39 | Kueken | hm |
| 21:13.24 | Vailreth | by the way Kuken how is that Turret bone model working out ? |
| 21:13.39 | Vailreth | Kueken ahem sorry* |
| 21:14.03 | Kueken | well, as mentioned it malfunctions in the editor, which is a little irritating |
| 21:14.11 | Kueken | for now I reverted back to phoenix |
| 21:14.16 | Vailreth | ah |
| 21:15.31 | egod | i love when you do something working perfectly in the editor and you copy/paste the same thing and it not working.... lame |
| 21:18.37 | Daara | i have the exact opposite problems |
| 21:18.45 | Daara | doesn't work in my map |
| 21:18.46 | Daara | move to test map |
| 21:18.47 | Daara | works fine |
| 21:19.45 | Daara | I just don't even know what to do anymore... |
| 21:19.50 | Daara | I've tried to get it to work. |
| 21:20.01 | Daara | Just won't create the actor. |
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| 21:21.39 | Taintedwisp | Back my IRC froze and I didnt notice it |
| 21:23.07 | Taintedwisp | why so quiet? |
| 21:23.13 | Taintedwisp | whers all the love? :P |
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| 21:25.27 | Daara | no love |
| 21:25.29 | Taintedwisp | daamn |
| 21:25.33 | Taintedwisp | yall some hateful people |
| 21:25.34 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 21:25.38 | Kueken | oh man |
| 21:25.46 | Daara | even the mighty kueken can't fix my problem |
| 21:25.54 | Taintedwisp | Always great when you have to email your boss, and tell him half of the Utilities are out lol |
| 21:25.56 | Daara | and blizz guys just shrugging at me too |
| 21:26.05 | Kueken | apparently you have to use a death model, which is different from the model the unit uses for the death actor to be even created |
| 21:26.37 | Taintedwisp | tomorrow when my money clears... i think imma start looking for a new computer.. |
| 21:26.47 | Taintedwisp | 700$ should buy a decent gaming laptop or desktop |
| 21:28.04 | Taintedwisp | a CoD MW3 player almost died.... I call it battle of the Fittest... dont play a video game for 4 days strait without sleep dummy |
| 21:28.20 | Vailreth | Kueken do you have a test map set up tthat i could try diffrent variations of my turret bone in that you could send me ? |
| 21:29.06 | Kueken | you can use that one: |
| 21:29.06 | Kueken | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/data-assets/40865-baneblade/#p1 |
| 21:29.19 | Daara | ʅ(º_o )ᶘ |
| 21:29.25 | Kueken | modify the default phoenix model |
| 21:29.35 | Kueken | to use your imported model |
| 21:29.48 | Kueken | should affect all used turrets |
| 21:30.08 | Hobrow | anyone currently online on EU? |
| 21:31.01 | Kueken | vailreth: correction |
| 21:31.11 | Kueken | the TurretZ model, not the Phoenix |
| 21:31.13 | Taintedwisp | ~dance |
| 21:31.13 | purl | <(*.*<) <(*.*)> \(*.*)/ (>*.*)> |
| 21:31.22 | Taintedwisp | Eff granddad |
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| 21:32.59 | tordy | waddap dudes and dudettes |
| 21:33.28 | Taintedwisp | nm |
| 21:33.41 | Taintedwisp | though I can honestly say.. I am no dude nor am I a dudette |
| 21:33.44 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:33.46 | Taintedwisp | trolool |
| 21:34.48 | tordy | ur a dudette |
| 21:34.56 | Taintedwisp | I TOLD YOU |
| 21:34.57 | Taintedwisp | I AM,.. |
| 21:35.13 | egod | you have a penis? |
| 21:36.15 | Hobrow | is there a way to hide all trigger generated text tags without saving each one to variable and then hiding every single one? |
| 21:36.18 | Kueken | ... |
| 21:36.42 | egod | hm |
| 21:36.44 | Kueken | and now I copied the dark templar setup, and everything seems to work, even though I had it exactly the same way before |
| 21:36.48 | egod | yes i think |
| 21:36.53 | egod | Hobrow |
| 21:36.59 | Hobrow | how? |
| 21:37.16 | egod | a loop |
| 21:37.19 | egod | ! |
| 21:37.22 | egod | :D |
| 21:37.28 | Hobrow | ..... |
| 21:37.45 | Kueken | and now even the sound works... |
| 21:37.46 | Kueken | gah |
| 21:38.15 | egod | i dont think there a option for hiding all text tag in the map |
| 21:38.23 | egod | me i use loop style |
| 21:38.34 | Hobrow | i would do the same |
| 21:38.48 | Hobrow | only that some of them are hidden at times and others arent |
| 21:38.54 | Ashamed | AHHH |
| 21:39.14 | Taintedwisp | DaBaddestMuthaFukkaThisSideOfTheMissisipi |
| 21:39.15 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:39.19 | Taintedwisp | sorry that took soo long |
| 21:39.21 | Taintedwisp | had a customer |
| 21:39.22 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 21:39.25 | Hobrow | so i would also have to store which i have to hide and then show again so that i dont show those that arent suposed to be shown |
| 21:39.30 | Taintedwisp | GOT DAMMIT |
| 21:39.40 | Taintedwisp | Everytime I get ready to go home... IT STARTS POURING RAIN |
| 21:39.40 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:40.07 | Hobrow | basicly |
| 21:40.10 | Hobrow | im lazy |
| 21:40.11 | Hobrow | :D |
| 21:40.35 | Exaken | Great, when you lock things in the cutscene editor, you can't unlock them anymore... |
| 21:40.44 | Hobrow | Oo |
| 21:40.46 | Hobrow | you can |
| 21:40.52 | tordy | hey what's goin on? |
| 21:40.53 | Hobrow | just rightclick and unlock them Oo |
| 21:40.59 | Exaken | Toggle lock doesn't work |
| 21:41.17 | Exaken | and can't delete them either |
| 21:41.24 | Hobrow | eh |
| 21:41.29 | Hobrow | did you activate something else? |
| 21:41.35 | Exaken | Not that I know of |
| 21:42.01 | Hobrow | so the scene is active? |
| 21:42.50 | Exaken | It's nodes/objects in the timeline window |
| 21:43.27 | Exaken | ok |
| 21:44.10 | Exaken | you can unlcok them in the little right window, but not in the timeline window |
| 21:44.58 | Exaken | but then agian I can't seem to unlock property layers, which are not shown in the cutscene editor |
| 21:46.47 | KamiKami | sigh, EU arcade is broken :( |
| 21:48.00 | Hobrow | ah so its not just me |
| 21:48.21 | Exaken | lol:D |
| 21:48.48 | Hobrow | action can you see any games? |
| 21:48.51 | Exaken | nope |
| 21:49.56 | Exaken | fun or not works |
| 21:49.57 | Kueken | :) |
| 21:50.27 | KamiKami | bookmarks work |
| 21:51.42 | Ashamed | so we had this one company and their infrastructure was getting very old... we recomended a free project to get them back up to speed they just had to by the hardware and we were going to put the man hours in for free as long as they contracted with us for 3more years. There shit crashed before they gave us an answer |
| 21:51.45 | Exaken | ok fun or not doesn't work either |
| 21:51.48 | Ashamed | it then cost them over 25k >< |
| 21:51.54 | Ashamed | and then they fired us lol |
| 21:52.50 | Daara | one last whack at this |
| 21:52.59 | Daara | going to just put the animation pause in the footman actor itself |
| 21:53.38 | Taintedwisp | lol |
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| 21:54.30 | Daara | and |
| 21:54.31 | Daara | it works |
| 21:54.33 | Daara | lol |
| 21:54.37 | Daara | well |
| 21:54.41 | tordy | FOOT |
| 21:54.42 | tordy | BALL |
| 21:54.43 | Daara | awesome |
| 21:54.46 | Daara | FOOT BALL |
| 21:54.48 | Vailreth | i think ive fixed it |
| 21:55.04 | Daara | I don't even need a death actor it seems |
| 21:55.28 | egod | lol omg |
| 21:55.37 | egod | i found a Editor bug |
| 21:55.43 | Daara | i'm sure i did too |
| 21:55.46 | Vailreth | but Kueken may i ask why are you using model animation continuous inseatd of model addition? |
| 21:55.51 | tordy | it updated? |
| 21:55.52 | egod | ahli |
| 21:55.53 | tordy | dam i didnt know |
| 21:55.54 | egod | i figured out |
| 21:56.15 | Vailreth | for the added turrets. |
| 21:56.28 | Kueken | vailreth: it does only preset some fields, and I prefer to set the scale of the attachments myself instead of inheriting it |
| 21:56.43 | Vailreth | ah |
| 21:56.53 | egod | ahli its not a .dds problem when the image is bugged, its because you cant name the file with the same texture name, cause now the bug is fixed and it unscale the image to the old file, whatever, i changed name file and now it work |
| 21:57.06 | Vailreth | but yes it appears i have fixed the off axis rotations |
| 21:57.25 | Kueken | the 4 model animation styles and model additions are all the same, just with some slight changes to events or other fields |
| 21:57.39 | Daara | Also Kueken, I was able to find a work around. |
| 21:57.46 | Ahli | the problem was the name??? |
| 21:57.55 | Kueken | if you know which ones, it doesn't matter which one you choose |
| 21:57.56 | Daara | I just throw the actor events from the death actor into the normal actor. |
| 21:58.05 | Kueken | daara, I fixed it, I believe |
| 21:58.19 | Daara | you show me yours i'll show you mine lol |
| 21:58.23 | egod | yes, the name of the file confuse the editor and destroy the image, eveything work now |
| 21:58.31 | Daara | i'm not even using death effects or custom death anymore |
| 21:58.41 | Daara | just strait through the Footman actors events |
| 21:59.12 | Daara | so i don't have to worry about any variations |
| 21:59.20 | Daara | only problem would be sounds |
| 22:00.14 | Daara | which i would still need to differentiate variations |
| 22:00.30 | Daara | i don't want a female to die with masculine wail |
| 22:01.39 | Hobrow | not? :D |
| 22:02.09 | tordy | did blizz fix the negative bonus attribute damage? |
| 22:03.13 | Daara | brb |
| 22:03.15 | tordy | well? |
| 22:04.59 | Hobrow | dunno |
| 22:05.22 | Hobrow | also eu maps are currently sitting at 0 ratings |
| 22:05.47 | Exaken | maps server is probably down |
| 22:05.50 | Exaken | or something |
| 22:05.54 | Vailreth | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25150886/Baneblade.SC2Map there we go that should have the bone modle working for both editor and ingame |
| 22:07.19 | tordy | did blizz fix the negative bonus attribute damage? |
| 22:07.42 | Vailreth | i have no idea. |
| 22:16.13 | Vailreth | great i have a gig and a half to down load at 86kbs |
| 22:17.25 | Hobrow | see you in 2013 |
| 22:17.29 | Hobrow | :D |
| 22:18.01 | Vailreth | its better than it was earlier for a while it was downloading at 600bs |
| 22:19.21 | tordy | did blizz fix the negative bonus attribute damage? |
| 22:19.30 | Hobrow | well its probably faster to go somewhere with faster inet and put it an an usbstick or external drive |
| 22:19.44 | Hobrow | on* |
| 22:20.10 | Vailreth | it shouldnt be this slow i am paying 50 usd a month for 20mbs download speed |
| 22:21.43 | KamiKami | i'm paying 9$ for 100 mbs O.O |
| 22:21.43 | Kueken | Vailreth: Looking good :) |
| 22:21.58 | Exaken | thats cheap |
| 22:22.19 | Vailreth | thanks. |
| 22:25.13 | Hobrow | well, im out. dont scare our blizz devs away :D |
| 22:25.42 | Daara | we already did :P |
| 22:25.47 | Daara | they've been pretty quiet today |
| 22:25.58 | Hobrow | today? |
| 22:26.03 | Hobrow | they were talking alot |
| 22:26.07 | Hobrow | helped me alot |
| 22:26.10 | Hobrow | so yeah |
| 22:26.11 | Daara | maybe i scared them :P |
| 22:26.16 | Daara | with my questions they couldn't answer |
| 22:26.23 | Hobrow | well as i sad, am out o7 |
| 22:26.38 | Kueken | that o7 irritates me :/ |
| 22:45.25 | egod | 2D + 3D = greattttt |
| 22:48.15 | egod | http://fr-ca.twitch.tv/egod123 |
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| 22:49.40 | Daara | it's raining again! |
| 22:50.18 | Daara | watch us go into this severe weather mode for 2 weeks strait and flood all of the destroyed crop fields lol |
| 22:53.38 | Blizz-Deletarius | Mexa_ are you there? |
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| 23:01.02 | crazy | hi |
| 23:01.16 | Guest44944 | Anyone on here? |
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| 23:07.20 | Mexa_ | Deletarius, hi |
| 23:08.11 | tordy | i want an unsigned integer :[ |
| 23:08.28 | Mexa_ | What for tordy? |
| 23:08.34 | tordy | for fun |
| 23:08.44 | tordy | actually not tha ti think bout it dont need it |
| 23:08.53 | tordy | since im reading the individual bits |
| 23:09.12 | Daara | how can i make a unit have a different voice actor per variation? |
| 23:09.15 | tordy | like first 4 bits represent something |
| 23:09.18 | tordy | next 4 bits represent another |
| 23:09.19 | Mexa_ | Blizz-Deletarius, I'll be here a couple of minutes, then I'll be heading home, then I'll be back again. |
| 23:09.20 | tordy | boo |
| 23:13.23 | Mexa_ | Brb |
| 23:24.34 | Zeldarules28 | Thank's to Mr Artestru, I just finished the cutscene editor tutorial |
| 23:24.42 | Zeldarules28 | Its here for those interested- http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/cinematics/40932-tutorial-making-your-first-cutscene/#p1 |
| 23:24.53 | Zeldarules28 | And now, at long last, I'm gunna take a break >.> |
| 23:25.42 | Blizz-Artestru | Thanks for making that! |
| 23:25.44 | Blizz-Artestru | Reading it now :) |
| 23:26.02 | Zeldarules28 | Feel free to point out all the horrendous mistakes I'm sure I made ;) |
| 23:26.36 | Blizz-Artestru | I got a chuckle out of the property sheet being not important. :) |
| 23:26.44 | Blizz-Artestru | But that's fine for a beginner level tutorial :) |
| 23:27.23 | Zeldarules28 | Yeah, I figured it was rather important, but I didn't use it for my super basic tutorial :P |
| 23:28.12 | Blizz-Artestru | It's basically the catch-all for all properties that don't have special UI |
| 23:28.22 | Blizz-Artestru | And a lot of them are really specific or technical |
| 23:28.29 | Blizz-Artestru | They're all documented in the guide we posted |
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| 23:28.41 | Mexa | And back |
| 23:28.45 | Zeldarules28 | Welcome back |
| 23:29.11 | Blizz-Artestru | By the way, Ctrl-Shift-Click is your friend when placing models... sadly it's not documented anywhere |
| 23:29.48 | Zeldarules28 | Yeah, I tried that but nothing seemed to happen |
| 23:29.54 | Blizz-Artestru | it depends on your selection |
| 23:29.57 | Blizz-Artestru | make sure the model is selected first |
| 23:30.05 | Blizz-Artestru | an existing model in the actor tree |
| 23:30.23 | Zeldarules28 | I've got the marine selected |
| 23:30.39 | Zeldarules28 | in the file library |
| 23:30.52 | Blizz-Artestru | nope not that one |
| 23:30.57 | Blizz-Artestru | in the actor tree next to the timeline |
| 23:31.02 | Blizz-Artestru | select an existing one in your scene |
| 23:31.03 | Daara | is there a way to make a unit have a different sound set? |
| 23:31.10 | Blizz-Artestru | (or just click him in the viewport) |
| 23:31.12 | Zeldarules28 | Ahh, moving them around |
| 23:31.15 | Blizz-Artestru | yeah |
| 23:31.26 | Blizz-Artestru | I realize I said "when placing models" above... I meant moving |
| 23:31.27 | Blizz-Artestru | :) |
| 23:31.30 | Zeldarules28 | I see, that's definitely helpful. I'll make a note of that. |
| 23:32.03 | Kueken | daara: all sounds are set in the actor |
| 23:32.12 | Daara | can i do variations? |
| 23:32.15 | Daara | i don't see anything -_- |
| 23:32.15 | Kueken | for all the specific events they comment on |
| 23:32.18 | Zeldarules28 | Do you know how to make cameras transition smoothly between each other instead of just a hard cut? |
| 23:32.35 | Zeldarules28 | It's under the actor for the unit you're modifying |
| 23:33.09 | Kueken | Sound: Sounds+ |
| 23:33.29 | Daara | i know |
| 23:34.00 | Kueken | not sure, if you can handle variations |
| 23:34.11 | Kueken | do dark templar variations have different soundsets? |
| 23:34.15 | Daara | no |
| 23:34.24 | Daara | not that i'm aware of |
| 23:34.28 | Kueken | then probably not |
| 23:35.40 | Blizz-Artestru | Zelda: A camera cut is always a cut from one camera object to another. Think of them as separate physical cameras like when you're shooting a film. |
| 23:35.47 | Blizz-Artestru | If you want to move a camera, you can do that with keyframes |
| 23:35.56 | Blizz-Artestru | any of the values can be keyed, including Depth of Field, etc. |
| 23:36.11 | Blizz-Artestru | Don't think of it like the old way you used to make scenes (that took our artists some time, too). |
| 23:36.18 | Blizz-Artestru | Instead, think of it like you're filming a movie. |
| 23:36.42 | Blizz-Artestru | And the Director is literally saying "Cut to Camera A, cut to Camera B" while the cameramen (camera nodes) are moving themselves |
| 23:36.47 | Exaken | Where are the death animations in the cutscene editor? They are not listed in the animation layer->change animation. |
| 23:36.59 | Zeldarules28 | Ahh, I didn't realize cameras could also be keyed |
| 23:37.05 | Blizz-Artestru | Everything can be keyed |
| 23:37.07 | Zeldarules28 | Thanks :D |
| 23:37.09 | Blizz-Artestru | most things can be curved even |
| 23:37.16 | Blizz-Artestru | Exaken: Most models have separate models for deaths. |
| 23:37.20 | Kueken | exaken: most death animations are separate models |
| 23:37.23 | Kueken | damn |
| 23:37.29 | Exaken | :D |
| 23:37.29 | Blizz-Artestru | jinx! |
| 23:37.30 | Kueken | ninja-ed by blizzard |
| 23:37.53 | Zeldarules28 | :P |
| 23:38.06 | Exaken | also, I can't seem to unlock layer properties when locked, tocggle lock doesn't do it. |
| 23:38.41 | Zeldarules28 | Anyways I've got to go. If you spot anything else horribly wrong with the tutorial, feel free to send me an email. sc2mapper (at) gmail.com |
| 23:38.57 | Kueken | tutorial? |
| 23:39.00 | Kueken | link plz |
| 23:39.09 | Zeldarules28 | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/cinematics/40932-tutorial-making-your-first-cutscene/#p1 |
| 23:39.09 | Mexa | Hmm... not often one eats dinner 1.38AM :> |
| 23:39.44 | Kueken | not? |
| 23:39.45 | Kueken | oh |
| 23:39.59 | Kueken | I need to seriously reconsider my life in this case |
| 23:40.55 | Blizz-Artestru | Exaken: A locked node passes its locked property to all its children |
| 23:41.07 | Blizz-Artestru | If you want all but one node to be locked, don't lock the parent... individually lock the children nodes |
| 23:41.16 | Mexa | Hey Deaod, did you report the struct issues by now? |
| 23:41.22 | Deaod | yes |
| 23:41.25 | Mexa | I saw your b.net thread. |
| 23:41.41 | Mexa | Alright |
| 23:41.45 | Deaod | gave the link to the blizz guys |
| 23:41.51 | Exaken | well yes, but I can't unlock individually locked ones |
| 23:42.11 | Mexa | Have you reported the arrayref issue too? |
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| 23:42.24 | Deaod | i did during the beta |
| 23:42.30 | Deaod | well, made a thread for it |
| 23:42.34 | Mexa | ok. |
| 23:42.46 | Deaod | but it never got a response |
| 23:42.58 | Deaod | so i dont think they really know about it |
| 23:43.06 | Deaod | also, EU tends to get overlooked |
| 23:43.44 | Mexa | :| |
| 23:45.07 | Mexa | At least now when there are Blizzard folks in here, we're all in the same herd, I guess. |
| 23:45.22 | Mexa | To report issues. |
| 23:45.38 | Mexa | Brb food. |
| 23:48.05 | Blizz-Deletarius | what never got a response? |
| 23:49.50 | Mexa | That arrayrefs can't be passed as for example: arrayref<int[2]>, but passing a typedef for int[2] works. |
| 23:50.26 | Mexa | eg typedef intarray int[2], and then arrayref<intarray> |
| 23:50.31 | Mexa | Was that it, Deaod? |
| 23:50.45 | Deaod | yes |
| 23:50.52 | Blizz-Deletarius | is there a thread on it somwehere? |
| 23:50.56 | Blizz-Deletarius | somewhere* |
| 23:51.03 | Deaod | EU 1.5 beta forum |
| 23:51.13 | Blizz-Deletarius | link please? |
| 23:51.39 | Deaod | http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4735994058 |
| 23:54.51 | Deaod | sc2mapster thread: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/38374-passing-arrays-as-parameters/ |
| 23:56.16 | Blizz-Deletarius | alright, I'll see about passing that info along |
| 23:56.58 | Deaod | i think its not terribly important |
| 23:57.13 | Deaod | since a workaround is available |
| 23:58.45 | Daara | hear anything back on the dead units leaving behind footprints ? |
| 23:59.54 | Blizz-Deletarius | yes, look for a fix for that sometime in an upcoming patch |
