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| 00:07.02 | tordty | how do i make it so people can handle more units in a map? |
| 00:07.17 | tordty | like 500+ units on a 128x128 map causes some major framerate issues |
| 00:07.28 | tordty | would decreasing texture resolutions help? |
| 00:19.48 | tordty | like 500+ units on a 128x128 map causes some major framerate issues |
| 00:19.49 | tordty | would decreasing texture resolutions help? |
| 00:20.07 | Vailreth | hmm not sure |
| 00:25.49 | tordty | any ideas |
| 00:34.48 | A1win | make the pathing mesh less complex |
| 00:34.56 | A1win | pathfinding takes a lot of CPU time |
| 00:35.53 | tordty | how do i do that |
| 00:36.32 | A1win | by decreasing the amount of corners in it... like removing doodads that split it up, making corners less round, etc |
| 00:36.38 | A1win | dunno if that'd really help though |
| 00:37.06 | A1win | even if it is pathfinding that's the bottleneck, it might not be enough |
| 00:37.40 | A1win | I'd just not make a map that requires such huge numbers of units |
| 00:38.54 | tordty | but it's part of the gameplay! |
| 00:38.57 | tordty | idea of being overwhelmed |
| 00:39.06 | tordty | seeing swarms of units coming out you |
| 00:39.10 | A1win | and? D: |
| 00:39.12 | tordty | im trying to think of optimizations but im hittin a wall |
| 00:39.15 | A1win | if it doesn't work, it doesn't work |
| 00:39.24 | tordty | there's gotta be a way |
| 00:39.56 | tordty | maybe abetter way, make it look "swarmy" but not really that many units |
| 00:39.58 | tordty | fake units perhaps? |
| 00:40.16 | tordty | not actual units but you see them animating and etc |
| 00:40.59 | A1win | well, if you need them to move, they pretty much need to be units... or meshes that have the movement in the animation itself, which would require model editing |
| 00:41.42 | A1win | and you'd have to make the movement separately for every unit that moves in a different shaped path so good luck with that :P |
| 00:42.05 | tordty | i require assistance! |
| 00:43.23 | A1win | maybe if you make them flying (but on ground level), then they won't use pathfinding |
| 00:43.38 | A1win | at least you'd see if it helps for the framerate issues |
| 00:43.53 | A1win | and if it does, then you'd just have to do some trickery to make it look like they aren't moving through each other |
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| 02:57.38 | XenoX101 | hm |
| 02:57.46 | XenoX101 | does anyone know how I can scale an actor on larger units? |
| 02:57.50 | XenoX101 | like use the same actor |
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| 14:17.34 | Ahli | hmm, it seems I can't deactivate the shadow of a projectile anymore. :S |
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| 15:28.06 | Scorp_ | anyone in here? |
| 15:28.40 | Scorp_ | I've got problems with gimp plugins now that I installed the 2.8 |
| 15:29.25 | Scorp_ | even though I reinstalled the plugins to their latest versions, they are not loading at gimp startup |
| 15:30.03 | Scorp_ | no init errors appear |
| 15:31.58 | Ahli | is it for transforming images to dds files? |
| 15:33.19 | Scorp_ | yes |
| 15:33.59 | Scorp_ | both that and a normalmap plugin |
| 15:37.23 | Scorp_ | I have no idea what to do |
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| 15:37.33 | Scorp_ | would be a real mess to have a seperate program for dds |
| 15:39.14 | Vailreth | you may have to downgrade back to 2.6 until 3 is done |
| 15:39.51 | Vailreth | then again are the plugins in the right folder for the new version? |
| 15:42.23 | Ahli | I'm using paint.net for dds creation as it can save all dimensions (sc2 game handle these and editor doesn't crash anymore, but still throws an error) and the dds picture has no random blockyness artifacts anymore. gimp's dds plugin is a mess. :( |
| 15:51.41 | Scorp_ | Vailreth: yea, I guess thats the only option. I did install correctly |
| 15:51.44 | Vailreth | Scorp_ did you try these updates? |
| 15:52.15 | Vailreth | if you have windows. |
| 15:52.34 | Scorp_ | which updates? I do have windows |
| 15:52.51 | Vailreth | http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/normalmap-and-dds-plug-ins-updated-for-gimp-2.8 |
| 15:53.00 | Vailreth | sorry |
| 15:53.03 | Scorp_ | yep I did |
| 15:53.12 | Vailreth | weird they work for me just fine |
| 15:54.06 | Scorp_ | uhm, I think I got it now |
| 15:54.22 | Scorp_ | I did have two gimps on my pc apperently |
| 15:54.33 | Vailreth | i personally use photoshop for my dds and normal mapping but the gimp works well enough |
| 15:54.42 | Scorp_ | cant afford that |
| 15:55.03 | Vailreth | yeah i got a student discount on the design suite back when it was cs4 |
| 15:56.35 | Vailreth | wana know something sad... i have four differnt drawing programs for most of my art |
| 15:57.16 | Scorp_ | gotta be a mess |
| 15:57.51 | Vailreth | it is |
| 15:58.47 | Vailreth | i use Alchemy to block out my ideas, Gimp to assemble the blocks into a shape i can work with, photoshop to pull the figure out of the shapes and Painter to finish the piece |
| 16:00.09 | Vailreth | i could cut The Gimp out but Photoshop opens each page of a pdf as a new file while gimp opens them as layers of a single file |
| 16:01.14 | Scorp_ | I see |
| 16:03.10 | Vailreth | http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee324/vailreth/Concept%20Art/baseforwip.jpg this is a picture like i may start with out of Alchemy |
| 16:03.30 | Vailreth | http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee324/vailreth/Concept%20Art/birdmech.jpg and this is what i would take into painter to finish |
| 16:04.44 | Scorp_ | looks cool |
| 16:05.16 | Vailreth | thanks |
| 16:05.32 | Vailreth | also in that album is my Hyper Robot Space Ogre |
| 16:09.06 | Scorp_ | nice tatoo :D |
| 16:10.10 | Scorp_ | http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee324/vailreth/VaildredMindfreak.jpg |
| 16:10.12 | Scorp_ | what is that |
| 16:10.48 | Vailreth | thast a screen shot of where i broke Kingdoms of amalur and fell through the world |
| 16:11.06 | Scorp_ | is the game any good? |
| 16:11.20 | Vailreth | it is but the company the developed it went under |
| 16:12.00 | Vailreth | i will say its more engaging than Diablo 3 |
| 16:13.06 | Vailreth | i liked the lack of predermined classes so you could in essesnce build your own class |
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| 16:16.27 | Kueken | a little too easy overall tbh |
| 16:16.39 | Kueken | but really nice combat system |
| 16:17.35 | Vailreth | yes they didnt have a good grasp of making combat difficult for the unique class system they used |
| 16:18.24 | Vailreth | but i also think they were right to error on the side of too easy rather than inadveradntly punish one style of play in favor of another |
| 16:19.44 | Vailreth | there intended to add a more dificult level of play but i dont know if they went under before they could |
| 16:27.46 | Kueken | no idea |
| 16:28.16 | Kueken | however, I played Skyrim before, and I like to compare those 2 in terms of difficulty |
| 16:29.30 | Kueken | like any TES game so far, Skyrim on highest difficulty is quite challenging at first, but once you leveled up your crafting stuff, you breeze through the entire game, the crafting usually feels kinda broken |
| 16:30.11 | Kueken | now reckoning essentially had the same, except you already felt like breezing through the game without even touching crafting |
| 16:30.14 | Vailreth | yeah crafting can break KoAR as well |
| 16:30.34 | Kueken | and after you abused crafting, its just ridiculous, you oneshot basically everything |
| 16:33.34 | Vailreth | i see. |
| 16:44.13 | Vailreth | its a good thing they limited you from crafting socketed items in KoAR because that would gett to overpowered ... |
| 16:47.16 | Kueken | well, you can incorporate gems anyway, once you maxed your blacksmithing |
| 16:47.32 | Vailreth | yes but just one |
| 16:48.49 | Kueken | then you could salvage and get a crafting material with the stats of the gem, then craft again using that material and another gem :) |
| 16:49.02 | Vailreth | that never worked forme |
| 16:49.11 | Kueken | at least for some materials |
| 16:49.24 | Kueken | it works, but not for everything and not everytime |
| 16:49.28 | Vailreth | when ever i would salvage an item created with a gem i got nothing back. |
| 16:50.10 | Kueken | if you crafted for example a dagger with a physical damage gem and salvaged that, you would get a handle with physical damage |
| 16:50.23 | Kueken | but it wouldn't work with chakrams |
| 16:50.33 | Vailreth | i guess you were supposed to but i never got anything back |
| 16:50.56 | Kueken | bad luck maybe? |
| 16:51.14 | Kueken | its a chance to return a material |
| 16:51.18 | Vailreth | maybe but i read in the forums several people where having the same problem |
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| 16:51.34 | Kueken | well, worked for me :) |
| 16:51.50 | Vailreth | some people got bugs others didnt. |
| 16:52.05 | Vailreth | the only bug ive ever noticed as with the selkie veil |
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| 16:53.29 | Vailreth | i was thinking of respecing to blademaster or what ever and going with that back stab ability that converts damage to gold for a while |
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| 16:55.00 | Vailreth | people were talking about how easy gold is to comeby but i never had an easy time getting large amounts |
| 17:02.01 | Kueken | I used blademaster, but I didn't have the feeling the backstab thing generated huge amounts of gold |
| 17:02.24 | Kueken | but I agree, that gold was quite easy to get |
| 17:03.09 | Vailreth | how? |
| 17:03.51 | Vailreth | 30 hours in and i barely broke 10K |
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| 17:20.28 | failreth | hello |
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| 17:48.41 | ThunderLord_ | NICK ThunderLord |
| 17:49.31 | ThunderLord_ | Hey does anyone know how to reference variables via custom script that are parts of records? |
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| 17:54.03 | ThunderLord_ | Also, Is there like some sort of "String to Custom Script" deal i could do? |
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| 18:54.55 | delineator | is there a quick way to interpret a preset like "morph stage" from int to string? |
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| 18:57.19 | tordy | wassup dudes & dudettes |
| 19:05.03 | tordy | whatever happened to jmanv and his pocket warriors? I wanna see it come to fruition! D: |
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| 19:14.48 | tordy | purl hi |
| 19:14.48 | purl | que tal, tordy |
| 19:15.02 | tordy | purl tordy is what |
| 19:15.02 | purl | tordy: okay |
| 19:15.14 | tordy | purl ~tordy |
| 19:15.20 | tordy | ~ahli |
| 19:20.53 | Ahli | ? |
| 19:30.38 | tordy | wassup |
| 19:35.27 | Ahli | trying to figure out the details about the buggy unit morph costs. |
| 19:36.38 | tordy | any idea on when 1.5 is coming out? |
| 19:36.50 | tordy | im gonna have to rework my map shieet |
| 19:38.59 | Ahli | no idea. I only know that I keep finding bugs for them. ;D so maybe I'm a causing a delay for its release. |
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| 20:18.33 | pirate | ideas on how to get an actor's position? |
| 20:19.43 | Ahli | use unit instead. actors aren't necessarily shared data in multiplayer, so you won't get usable data out of them. |
| 20:20.46 | pirate | trying to do it on a large scale though, don't want to clutter game system with hundreds of fake units |
| 20:22.39 | Ahli | then write the positions into a data table |
| 20:23.47 | pirate | but I'd have to do it by hand |
| 20:24.15 | Ahli | why is that? |
| 20:24.29 | Ahli | place units on the map that you translate into the data table at map start |
| 20:25.55 | pirate | using units instead of actors |
| 20:26.13 | Ahli | you can't get data from actors, hf using actors |
| 20:26.20 | Ahli | because impossible afaIk |
| 20:26.24 | pirate | this makes me sad |
| 20:26.46 | Ahli | why do you need to store a big amount of points that you define manually? |
| 20:26.53 | pirate | ideally |
| 20:27.41 | pirate | to create several overlays of doodads to create different scenes in the same place and phase through them WoW-style using the asynchronous actor fade thing |
| 20:29.50 | pirate | There's probably a better way to do it but in my head I'd arrange all the doodads, use a function to print the position, size, variation, and orientation of each doodad to be used in another function to recreate them |
| 20:30.36 | pirate | I could do it easy enough with units, but I'm afraid of using hundreds or thousands of small units that dont need to do anything other than look pretty |
| 20:32.34 | Tomura | hmmm what you could try would be using sections |
| 20:32.42 | pirate | sections? |
| 20:32.53 | Tomura | it's way to keep thingsin different maps |
| 20:32.59 | Tomura | and then merge them at the end |
| 20:33.09 | pirate | oh |
| 20:33.24 | pirate | sounds promising |
| 20:33.36 | Tomura | but I don't know to what extend it may be useful to you |
| 20:34.03 | Tomura | and I forgot almost everything i found out about them |
| 20:35.02 | pirate | I think I could use it to merge two doodad sets |
| 20:35.10 | Tomura | yes |
| 20:35.20 | pirate | so If I do all the terraining, duplicate the map, draw out two separate doodad sets |
| 20:35.31 | pirate | neat |
| 20:35.40 | Tomura | that would be possible I think |
| 20:36.12 | Tomura | I made a tutorial once, but since I don't have the webspace anymore the pictures are gone |
| 20:36.33 | pirate | yeah, I'll do some research before I start doing terrain |
| 20:36.43 | Tomura | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/13141-editor-how-to-use-sections/ |
| 20:38.24 | Ahli | is that the name you can give to the selected doodads? |
| 20:44.40 | pirate | now I need a way to turn 150 .m3's into actors that doesn't take all day... |
| 20:45.16 | pirate | or an intern |
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| 21:12.20 | Dustin| | muahah |
| 21:12.28 | Dustin| | I love being able to detect terrain texture |
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| 21:25.28 | Dustin| | But I dont think I can dynamically apply textures |
| 21:25.33 | Dustin| | terrain textures that ios |
| 21:29.08 | Ahli | how do you detect them? |
| 21:30.10 | Dustin| | Variable - Set Texture = (Texture at ((Position of Unit))); |
| 21:33.22 | Ahli | interesting |
| 22:03.48 | Ahli | anyone got an idea how to find out the point where the camera would center, if you click on the unit's portrait? I would like to center the camera on that point with a trigger |
| 22:04.15 | Dustin| | The center of the unit? |
| 22:04.29 | Ahli | it's approx position - 0, 1.76, but the exactl value seems to dependent on the unit type |
| 22:04.44 | Ahli | *- (0,1.76) |
| 22:05.00 | Ahli | so 1.76 south |
| 22:09.12 | Kueken | tried messing with the unit's scale or radius? |
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| 22:46.27 | Ahli | zeratul is playing attack animation with variation 3, but there is no attack 03 in the model ;S |
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