| 00:42.57 | Kueken | vailreth |
| 00:43.10 | Kueken | still trouble with your persistents= |
| 00:43.12 | Kueken | ? |
| 00:50.38 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, I am in need of your truth |
| 00:50.44 | GALVACATRON | how much do you know about triggers? |
| 00:51.00 | Kueken | I know my way around |
| 00:51.09 | Kueken | usually use galaxy script, though |
| 00:51.18 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, give me a primer on that language |
| 00:51.27 | GALVACATRON | sounds far easier to use than cumbersome triggers |
| 00:51.45 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, basically, waht I want is a watchtower which provides vision of another area essentially |
| 00:51.57 | GALVACATRON | That, when actvated, reveals a region of the map |
| 00:52.04 | GALVACATRON | random location |
| 00:52.22 | Kueken | you could probably do that in data as well, if you want |
| 00:53.33 | GALVACATRON | You'd have to couple the tower to a region right |
| 00:53.37 | GALVACATRON | But show me how to do that |
| 00:53.46 | GALVACATRON | And give me a primer that tells you how galaxy script works anyhow |
| 00:54.43 | Kueken | did you mess with triggers before? |
| 00:55.00 | GALVACATRON | I'm learning it now, it's madness |
| 00:55.06 | Kueken | :) |
| 00:55.08 | GALVACATRON | I'd rather just learn the galaxy script |
| 00:55.11 | GALVACATRON | I know how to program |
| 00:55.35 | Kueken | galaxy script is the underlying scripting language, all triggers get converted to galaxy script |
| 00:55.38 | GALVACATRON | I'm fluent in C, C++, Python, Scheme, Objective-C, Javascript, Haskell, Common Lisp, Clojure |
| 00:55.41 | GALVACATRON | Yes, so I heard |
| 00:55.49 | GALVACATRON | so just give me a site which explains galaxy script |
| 00:55.56 | GALVACATRON | And tell me how to amke that tower in the data editor |
| 00:56.01 | GALVACATRON | And I would be most grateful |
| 00:56.05 | Kueken | you can look at your map script by pressing ctrl + f11 in trigger editor |
| 00:56.16 | Kueken | sec, trying to find a good galaxy tutorial |
| 00:56.21 | GALVACATRON | Schweet |
| 00:57.31 | Kueken | this one looks pretty decent: |
| 00:57.32 | Kueken | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/7078-galaxy-a-guide-to-galaxy-parts-1-and-2/ |
| 00:57.43 | Kueken | allthough you might want to skip most of the basics |
| 00:58.03 | Kueken | galaxy is mostly like c anyways |
| 00:58.09 | Kueken | the syntax is very similar |
| 00:58.23 | GALVACATRON | So I heard, an awful choice but it'll do. |
| 00:59.10 | Kueken | all it takes is a good function list or autocompletion and some getting used to the concept of using a "trigger" object for some actions |
| 00:59.22 | Kueken | with your background, this should be no problem |
| 01:00.02 | Kueken | you might also want to take a look at galaxy++: |
| 01:00.03 | Kueken | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/galaxy-editor-beier/ |
| 01:00.20 | GALVACATRON | yeah, that just looks like a C crashcourse |
| 01:00.24 | Kueken | It adds some key features, which plain galaxy is lacking |
| 01:00.30 | GALVACATRON | I'm more interested in how that exactly interfaces with the map. |
| 01:00.55 | GALVACATRON | As in, how do I get a certain message to fire when a watchtower is captured, how do extract data like which player currently holds it |
| 01:01.19 | Kueken | there are several ways, easiest is probably by adding a new "Custom Script" object to the trigger editor |
| 01:01.40 | Kueken | which allows you to run an initializer function for the script |
| 01:01.47 | GALVACATRON | Sure, but how does it interface with it. |
| 01:01.51 | Kueken | giving you a start point |
| 01:01.56 | GALVACATRON | I assuem it's event registration based |
| 01:02.01 | Kueken | yep |
| 01:02.12 | Kueken | you create a new trigger object |
| 01:02.22 | GALVACATRON | CAn't I just do this all in code? |
| 01:02.23 | Kueken | register an event, and add an action function |
| 01:02.27 | Kueken | yes |
| 01:02.35 | GALVACATRON | Schweet |
| 01:02.52 | Kueken | trigger t = TriggerCreate("NameOfTriggerFunction"); |
| 01:03.04 | GALVACATRON | Ah yes |
| 01:03.09 | Kueken | TriggerRegisterEventXY(t); |
| 01:03.38 | Kueken | you retrieve additional information by calling event reaction functions |
| 01:03.44 | GALVACATRON | Schweet, sounds workable |
| 01:03.53 | Kueken | like unit caster = EventUnit(); |
| 01:03.54 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, give me an example of you code and I shall elarn this |
| 01:04.07 | GALVACATRON | How do you create that tower ith the data editor though? |
| 01:04.37 | Kueken | data editor is harder to handle than galaxy code, imo |
| 01:04.48 | Kueken | basically, you want to create a new unit |
| 01:05.03 | Kueken | which involves additional objects, such as an Actor |
| 01:05.48 | Kueken | there is a nice basic tutorial on Battle.net by Blizzard themselves, I believe |
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| 01:06.30 | Kueken | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/game/maps-and-mods/tutorials/data/ |
| 01:06.31 | Vailreth | Kueken |
| 01:06.32 | Kueken | that one |
| 01:07.04 | Kueken | yep? |
| 01:07.16 | Vailreth | no i have the offesets worked out for the periodic effects but the launch missile will not accept the launch offset |
| 01:07.56 | Kueken | so you want to start a missile from a different point? |
| 01:08.02 | Vailreth | yes |
| 01:08.22 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, well, I've already created a new tower, the most advanced I've gotten was creating towers with different models and different vision radii that perform some animation when captured |
| 01:08.56 | Vailreth | i cant use the action actors for this becuase the missiles are not fired from units |
| 01:09.09 | Kueken | okay |
| 01:09.50 | Kueken | GALVACATRON: the activation of the tower should be catchable by the "unit uses an ability" event |
| 01:10.06 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, I know, but it isn't. |
| 01:10.13 | Kueken | not entirely sure, though |
| 01:10.14 | Kueken | hm |
| 01:10.22 | GALVACATRON | Well, it should be, it's there, it just does nothing |
| 01:10.46 | Kueken | Vailreth: I need more specifics. Where exactly should your missile naunch, and where does it launch? |
| 01:11.21 | Kueken | GALVACATRON: let me check |
| 01:11.30 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/31881-way-to-check-which-player-has-control-of-xel-naga-tower/ there |
| 01:11.31 | Vailreth | i have it lauching from a point away from the casting unit at another point offset form the first |
| 01:11.43 | GALVACATRON | I got that too, it just does nothing. |
| 01:12.07 | Vailreth | basically the missile crosses over the spot where the intial effect is cast |
| 01:13.43 | Vailreth | i am working on a firebomb ability and the missile that will host the firebombing behavior is firing from within the ground and makes its way to the target point and target offset |
| 01:14.42 | Kueken | okay, and you got it launching from an offset point already? |
| 01:15.32 | Vailreth | yes by using a persistent effect it launches -6 x from the intial effects cast point |
| 01:17.23 | Kueken | okay |
| 01:17.31 | Kueken | and what is the problem now? |
| 01:18.27 | Vailreth | the missile launches from in the ground and then flys to the impact offset height when the launch offset is the same as the impact +6 on the z |
| 01:19.19 | Vailreth | i am trying to streamline my own previous firestorm air strike ability. |
| 01:20.44 | Kueken | ah so the missile starts at z=0 but it should start at z=6 |
| 01:21.05 | Vailreth | yes |
| 01:22.18 | Kueken | GALVACATRON: The proposed method doesn't work for me either, at first glance |
| 01:22.30 | Kueken | playing around a bit |
| 01:22.55 | Kueken | Vailreth: tried a site operation on the missile actor? |
| 01:23.13 | Vailreth | yes the missile seems to ignore it |
| 01:23.45 | Kueken | and you did set the z offset for the persistent to be 6? |
| 01:23.47 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, yeah, it just doesn't fire for some reason it seems |
| 01:23.57 | GALVACATRON | If I change that to 'any unit moves' everyting works as expected |
| 01:25.12 | Vailreth | if i set the persistent offsets to 6 i have to create three versions of the air strike one for each cliff height as the offsets it will use would have to be mutiples of 6 |
| 01:29.45 | Kueken | hm |
| 01:31.11 | Vailreth | in the original ability i used a persistent offset of z 10 but then i needed an offset of z-10 on the secondary launch missile effect. |
| 01:35.11 | Vailreth | the ability would work by launching a missile between two points, the missile would have a behaviore that targets the ground and launches missiles at it causes fires to burn at the impact sites. |
| 01:36.17 | Kueken | so far the only thing that seems to work is the persistent offset... |
| 01:36.57 | Vailreth | well i will can this for now then i guess,,, back on the back burner |
| 01:38.15 | Vailreth | thanks for the interest in assiting |
| 01:40.15 | Kueken | I will probably try to find anther solution ;) |
| 01:40.25 | Kueken | GALVACATRON: "For some reason, Capture abilities don't trigger script events. You will have to remake the capture ability as a target effect ability." |
| 01:40.43 | Kueken | so it seems, we need to emulate the xelnaga tower |
| 01:41.58 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, that was what I was trying to do |
| 01:42.19 | GALVACATRON | well, I just made a 1 range vision XNT and just am gong with 'units within 1.5 range of it' |
| 01:42.31 | GALVACATRON | But you said it could be done in the data editor. |
| 01:42.40 | Kueken | probably |
| 01:43.07 | Kueken | at least I could try ;) |
| 01:43.16 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, for meeee? :3 |
| 01:43.33 | Kueken | I would need more specific information, though |
| 01:43.41 | Vailreth | you would need a periodic effect with tons of offsets and that has 1 period that chooses the offset at random and applys a scan like effect |
| 01:43.47 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, such as? |
| 01:44.01 | GALVACATRON | Just a watchtower linked to a region which grants vision of that region |
| 01:44.11 | Kueken | a specific region? |
| 01:44.22 | GALVACATRON | Well, I have 2 plannd on that map |
| 01:44.23 | Kueken | multiple towers? multiple regions? |
| 01:44.26 | GALVACATRON | Yeah |
| 01:45.18 | Kueken | so 2 towers, 2 regions, each tower is linked to one region |
| 01:45.39 | Kueken | and should function exactly like XNT otherwise |
| 01:45.41 | Vailreth | ah i thought it was a random area of the map |
| 01:47.01 | Kueken | well, I assume, it is possible in data, but since you cannot seem to catch the capture in either data or trigger, you would need ro emulate that functionality anyway |
| 01:47.28 | Kueken | in which case, a trigger would probably be the most logical approach |
| 01:49.04 | Kueken | data would involve starting a persistent effect on an offset to match the target region, or mark said region with a dummy unit to access it within the limitations of data |
| 01:49.17 | Vailreth | i hope the fix the abilities can not have a 360 degree arc bug |
| 01:49.18 | Kueken | then use the persistent to reveal the region |
| 01:49.41 | Vailreth | they* |
| 01:49.59 | Kueken | ? |
| 01:50.08 | Kueken | what do you mean? |
| 01:51.10 | Vailreth | in the beta editor abilities atleast effect target abilities and weapons can not be set to have an arc of 360 |
| 01:52.09 | Parthon | someone stuffed up in other words |
| 01:52.23 | Vailreth | pretty much |
| 01:52.24 | Parthon | it should be 0 <= x <= 360 .. but now it's 0 <= x < 360 |
| 01:52.41 | Parthon | so you can make it 359, but not 360 |
| 01:54.49 | Kueken | xD |
| 01:54.56 | Kueken | in the gui only? |
| 01:55.11 | Kueken | I assume you can just put 0 in raw data or xml view |
| 01:55.51 | Vailreth | raw data allows 360 |
| 01:55.53 | Kueken | never tried the beta editor, but installing it right now |
| 01:56.00 | Parthon | yeah, raw data would allow it |
| 01:56.05 | Parthon | derp, I didn't think of that :P |
| 01:56.25 | Parthon | the main thing I noticed was that the UI was faster and didn't stall as much |
| 01:56.33 | Kueken | thats good to hear |
| 01:56.41 | Parthon | but that's more of a "yay, it's not AS crap" |
| 01:56.49 | Kueken | :D |
| 01:57.39 | Vailreth | i do like that in upgrades you have more control over behaviors now |
| 01:58.12 | Kueken | uh they made the buttons pretty :/ |
| 01:58.29 | Vailreth | thats a problem? |
| 01:58.50 | Vailreth | i like the boarder the added over some buttons to show selection |
| 01:59.03 | Vailreth | like when picking a tile set on a new map |
| 01:59.42 | Kueken | you cna change behaviors with catalogs now? |
| 01:59.45 | Kueken | thats nice |
| 02:00.06 | Vailreth | can you? |
| 02:00.18 | Kueken | uh almost every field |
| 02:00.20 | Kueken | well |
| 02:00.36 | Kueken | you can change anything with catalogs, which is changeable with upgrades |
| 02:00.38 | Vailreth | and there is nice list of all placed units ... |
| 02:00.44 | Kueken | since they are basically the same thing |
| 02:00.47 | Vailreth | ah |
| 02:01.07 | Kueken | before you could change duration |
| 02:01.13 | Kueken | that was about it |
| 02:01.20 | Kueken | now you can change everything, it seems |
| 02:01.44 | Kueken | well, almost |
| 02:01.52 | Kueken | most of the important stuff, at least |
| 02:02.12 | Kueken | I wonder, if the changes transfer to already applied behaviors |
| 02:02.27 | Kueken | lets say, when you buffed units of another player |
| 02:02.53 | Vailreth | well lets find out |
| 02:02.55 | Kueken | or in general, if you would need to apply those changes for other player to work like expected on their units |
| 02:03.38 | Kueken | aka if the changes are based on the player owning the behavior or the player owning the unit the behavior was applied to |
| 02:04.20 | Kueken | yay |
| 02:04.21 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, well, can you give a unit in the data editor some really weird default vision? |
| 02:04.27 | Kueken | <3 lighting regions |
| 02:04.40 | GALVACATRON | Beause as far as I know, a XNT works by just giving it own vision to the controlling unit |
| 02:04.53 | Kueken | what do you mean by weird? |
| 02:05.06 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, well, I mean, not a circle around its core. |
| 02:05.16 | Kueken | you can set their vision to zero, and provide vision by other means |
| 02:05.17 | GALVACATRON | Rather, can you say 'the vision of this tower is now this region over here'? |
| 02:05.29 | Kueken | there are effects, which can provide vision |
| 02:05.43 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, well, that work work right? |
| 02:05.45 | Kueken | a persistent effect, for ecample, can reveal a circle |
| 02:05.49 | GALVACATRON | And b really easy |
| 02:05.59 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, that would work right? |
| 02:06.16 | Kueken | well, in data, it would be more like a clumsy workaround |
| 02:06.22 | Kueken | probably |
| 02:06.43 | Kueken | since data effects can only provide circular vision, and only in relation to other objects |
| 02:07.06 | GALVACATRON | Well, it needs to be circular, so that's not an issue |
| 02:07.10 | Kueken | they cannot provide vision in a trigger region by themselves |
| 02:07.19 | GALVACATRON | Hmm |
| 02:07.21 | Kueken | so you would need to use an offset of the tower |
| 02:07.24 | Kueken | for example |
| 02:07.27 | GALVACATRON | Ahhh |
| 02:07.29 | GALVACATRON | How do you do that |
| 02:07.33 | Kueken | which matches the distance to the unit |
| 02:07.40 | GALVACATRON | like say 'hey tower, your visin is shifted 60 units north'? |
| 02:08.01 | Kueken | not that trivial, though |
| 02:08.27 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, well, how? |
| 02:08.39 | Kueken | if you start an effect when the unit is created |
| 02:08.46 | Kueken | for example by using a behavior |
| 02:08.57 | Kueken | you can use a persistent effect to add an offset |
| 02:09.21 | Kueken | and another persistent effect (or the same one, if that works) to provide vision |
| 02:09.39 | Kueken | that would be a possibility |
| 02:09.52 | Kueken | or you create a dummy unit at an offset location |
| 02:10.05 | Kueken | using a persistent effect and a create unit effect |
| 02:10.19 | GALVACATRON | But I don't know what all those things are. TT |
| 02:10.37 | Kueken | ... or you just use triggers and select the target unit, which is easier and makes more sense anyway :) |
| 02:11.07 | Vailreth | yes a debuff you cast on an eny unit inherits your upgrades |
| 02:11.11 | GALVACATRON | Well, apparently not, because it doesn't fire the trigger |
| 02:11.31 | Vailreth | on an enemy* |
| 02:11.32 | GALVACATRON | Also, I've yet to find out how make a decent if statement |
| 02:11.46 | GALVACATRON | the logic is obviously simple. |
| 02:11.59 | GALVACATRON | But I have no idea how to establish that with triggers, the language seems very cumbersome |
| 02:12.08 | Kueken | it is :) |
| 02:12.33 | GALVACATRON | I just want 'when you move a unit into range, check if a unit of the other player is in range, if isn't, then reveal, if there is another in range, then don't reveal |
| 02:12.35 | Kueken | but an if statement is as easy as if(true){DoSomething;} |
| 02:12.43 | GALVACATRON | Yes |
| 02:13.01 | GALVACATRON | But I have no idea how to realize that in the trigger language, I've yet to found how to make meaningful sequences and code blocks |
| 02:13.45 | Kueken | for your problem, I would probably register a trigger, which triggers on units coming in range of the xelnaga tower |
| 02:13.52 | Vailreth | i used a behavior with a periodic effect of suicide and 0 periods and gave it -1 periods via an upgrade and poof the debuffed enemy units suicided |
| 02:14.12 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, yes, I have that |
| 02:14.19 | GALVACATRON | but I ave no idea how to add that if statement |
| 02:14.43 | Kueken | pasebin what you got |
| 02:14.43 | GALVACATRON | Or a way to extract from which player the unit is |
| 02:14.51 | Kueken | *paste |
| 02:14.53 | Parthon | owner of unit |
| 02:14.53 | GALVACATRON | Okido |
| 02:15.23 | Parthon | how many players on the map |
| 02:17.41 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, http://codepad.org/2Jx2Zuil |
| 02:18.10 | Kueken | no galaxy script? :p |
| 02:18.15 | Kueken | well |
| 02:18.27 | Kueken | you can reference the entering unit |
| 02:18.33 | Kueken | via "Triggering Unit" |
| 02:19.18 | Kueken | to check, if units are in the area, you can either store units coming in and remove going out ones, or check the area on-the-fly |
| 02:19.36 | Kueken | to add an if/then/else, just select it in the action list |
| 02:19.37 | Parthon | why do people jones for galaxy script, is it faster than triggers? |
| 02:20.06 | Kueken | Parthon: it might be a little more eficcient, but thats not the main reason for me |
| 02:20.22 | Kueken | Its just far mor convenient for people with a coding background |
| 02:20.30 | Parthon | I guess |
| 02:20.35 | Kueken | I just hate to click through the gui |
| 02:20.48 | Parthon | I'm used to it from sc1 mapping days |
| 02:21.00 | Parthon | the problem I have is no space in my head for yet another API :P |
| 02:21.11 | Kueken | it takes a shitton of time to write stuff like int i= a+2*j |
| 02:21.12 | Parthon | while I'm also working with unity and php on a regular basis |
| 02:21.21 | Parthon | you'll like 1.5 then |
| 02:21.28 | Parthon | you can write expressions |
| 02:21.51 | Parthon | but scripting is still easier if that's what you are used to |
| 02:21.53 | Kueken | well, I use galaxy++ anyway |
| 02:22.05 | Parthon | aaah |
| 02:22.12 | Kueken | hardly touch the gui :) |
| 02:22.27 | Parthon | even for data editing? |
| 02:22.46 | Kueken | for data, I use the gui |
| 02:22.55 | Parthon | aah okay |
| 02:23.09 | Kueken | I am not that used to raw xml editing, only use it occasionally |
| 02:23.19 | Parthon | I'll have to check out galaxy++ then |
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| 02:23.55 | Kueken | its very convenient, just for namespaces in galaxy I would use it :D |
| 02:24.06 | Kueken | no need to prefix every damn global |
| 02:24.09 | Parthon | GALVACATRON: you got me thinking :D |
| 02:25.59 | Kueken | did we lost him? |
| 02:26.06 | Parthon | no physically |
| 02:26.08 | Parthon | not* |
| 02:28.32 | Kueken | yay, local lighting changes |
| 02:28.35 | Kueken | loving it |
| 02:28.59 | Kueken | and finally painted creep |
| 02:29.18 | Vailreth | yes but the local lighting changes amount to mainly diffrent colors |
| 02:29.55 | Kueken | I don't think, I understand, what you are saying |
| 02:30.07 | Parthon | painted creep is new to 1.5? |
| 02:30.13 | Vailreth | yes. |
| 02:30.16 | Parthon | I know you can perma creep it |
| 02:30.39 | Parthon | now |
| 02:31.01 | Vailreth | and the local lighting can be set in the lighting editor in a light but it ammounts to very small changes in the light for each region |
| 02:31.43 | Kueken | so the lighting you set up is not entirely reflected ingame? |
| 02:31.49 | Kueken | too bad |
| 02:32.00 | Parthon | too expensive |
| 02:32.23 | Vailreth | it is but you can only have one light on a map with four minor variations of that light to use |
| 02:32.39 | Kueken | can someone explain to me this data editor database stuff, which should interact with triggers or something? |
| 02:33.37 | Parthon | is that the thing that I've forget the name of just nw |
| 02:33.53 | Vailreth | can you give a bit more details? |
| 02:35.05 | Kueken | there were a couple of new natives, which sounded like they reference some custom data entries |
| 02:35.25 | Kueken | User Data |
| 02:35.25 | Kueken | - Is User Data Field Modifiable |
| 02:35.25 | Kueken | - Load User Data Instance |
| 02:35.25 | Kueken | - Load User Data Type |
| 02:35.25 | Kueken | ... |
| 02:35.28 | Kueken | etc |
| 02:35.43 | Parthon | aah, user data |
| 02:36.00 | Parthon | It looked like an easier-to-use bank, but I'm not sure |
| 02:36.05 | Kueken | yeah, I probably worded that poorly, didn't I? |
| 02:36.36 | Parthon | nups |
| 02:36.50 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, yes, but I have no idea how to acess those values and use them in other areae? |
| 02:36.56 | Vailreth | i think it has something to do with HotS and or Teh marketplace |
| 02:37.41 | Kueken | GALVACATRON: Store them in a variable? ;) |
| 02:37.56 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, yes, but again how do you access them? |
| 02:38.07 | Parthon | with more variables! |
| 02:38.11 | GALVACATRON | How do you store them, I have literally no idea how the trigger module works |
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| 02:38.31 | GALVACATRON | I don't know you can access values and tore them in other values or perform arithmetic |
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| 02:38.55 | Parthon | yeah, for me that's like breathing |
| 02:38.57 | Bounty | Pew Pew |
| 02:39.10 | Kueken | you can run an action, if it takes a unit parameter for example, you can select a unit variable for that parameter |
| 02:39.16 | Parthon | hi bounty, how goes it? |
| 02:39.22 | Vailreth | Kueken i believe those Natives are related to the new data type called User type |
| 02:39.25 | Bounty | Good Good, you Parthon? |
| 02:39.30 | Parthon | pretty good |
| 02:39.31 | Vailreth | yo Bounty |
| 02:39.38 | Bounty | Howdy Vailreth |
| 02:39.48 | Parthon | Vailreth: what is user type? |
| 02:39.53 | Vailreth | making that auction house money? |
| 02:39.58 | Bounty | nope |
| 02:39.58 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, dude, I don't know how you can select that and what paramatres are |
| 02:40.04 | GALVACATRON | I don'tknow how the trigger wndow works |
| 02:40.04 | Bounty | i dont have a cell phone |
| 02:40.11 | Vailreth | and i think its a container for data variables .... |
| 02:40.11 | Bounty | i only have a pre paid for emergencies only |
| 02:40.22 | GALVACATRON | I know how to program dude, I'm not asking you programming logic, I'm asking you a quaestion about the IDE. |
| 02:40.26 | Bounty | so apparently that means i cannot make money on the auction house |
| 02:40.32 | Vailreth | ouch |
| 02:40.34 | Bounty | so w/e, im done with D3 already |
| 02:40.44 | Bounty | atleast SC2 had me for over a year lol |
| 02:40.44 | GALVACATRON | I'm asking you more 'which hotkey do I press to compile' |
| 02:40.50 | Bounty | D3 only had me for like 2-3 weeks |
| 02:40.56 | Bounty | so pissed |
| 02:41.01 | Vailreth | 3 days |
| 02:41.03 | Bounty | Its just a nerf fest |
| 02:41.06 | Bounty | over and over |
| 02:41.10 | Kueken | if you add an action, like you did with the "reveal area" thing |
| 02:41.28 | Kueken | you can click the individual parameters, and you get a list of stuff you can select |
| 02:41.36 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, yeah, and it has for which player |
| 02:41.39 | Bounty | 1.5 is my last hope for Blizzard, if they fuck it up im not making my main/major project |
| 02:41.40 | GALVACATRON | And there you can enter 1 or 2 |
| 02:41.42 | Bounty | If they do then im all in |
| 02:41.42 | GALVACATRON | An integer |
| 02:41.49 | Kueken | for example, yes |
| 02:41.51 | GALVACATRON | I have no idea how pipe through whichever player captured the tower. |
| 02:42.20 | Vailreth | well.... i dont think 1,5 will live up to your expectations yet... |
| 02:42.27 | Kueken | your player would be the "Owner of (Triggering Unit)" |
| 02:42.34 | Bounty | well thats why im waiting Vailreth |
| 02:42.39 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, I know that. |
| 02:42.41 | Kueken | so instead of writing the 1 |
| 02:42.42 | Bounty | I have all the info for my project down |
| 02:42.42 | GALVACATRON | But it isn't there |
| 02:42.44 | GALVACATRON | it's 1 or 2 |
| 02:42.47 | Kueken | you select Function |
| 02:42.48 | Bounty | so now im just waiting |
| 02:42.49 | GALVACATRON | It barfs if you don't input an integer |
| 02:43.02 | Vailreth | ah |
| 02:43.08 | Kueken | in the top, you selected "value" |
| 02:43.11 | GALVACATRON | And that still doesn't give me a basic if tatement |
| 02:43.13 | Bounty | Will easily be the best thing ive ever made |
| 02:43.14 | GALVACATRON | Ah yeah |
| 02:43.15 | Kueken | which lets you input an integer |
| 02:43.17 | GALVACATRON | I see that now |
| 02:43.21 | GALVACATRON | YEah, that's the stuff I want to know |
| 02:43.35 | GALVACATRON | as I said, I don't know how the trigger module works. I know basic programming logic. |
| 02:43.40 | Kueken | :) |
| 02:44.12 | GALVACATRON | alrighty, so how do you make it not reveal or stop revealing when a unit controlled by another player enters? |
| 02:44.26 | GALVACATRON | You're just supposed to make 4 different triggers for that? |
| 02:44.39 | Parthon | well, I would have a variable which is RevealingPlayer |
| 02:44.47 | Bounty | I actually have a project that has never been done before in gaming Vailreth lol |
| 02:44.55 | Bounty | Not even just in SC2 |
| 02:44.57 | Vailreth | nice |
| 02:44.59 | Bounty | So it should be very interesting |
| 02:45.03 | GALVACATRON | Obviously, but I haven't found out how to update variables or create global variables |
| 02:45.08 | Parthon | then have 1 trigger for enter, then one trigger for leaves, and use "count units in region matching condition" |
| 02:45.16 | Kueken | there is a "set variable" action |
| 02:45.22 | Parthon | do you want a visual mentor tutorial? |
| 02:45.23 | Bounty | I'm kinda surprised it has not been done before |
| 02:45.29 | Kueken | and global variables can be declared like triggers |
| 02:45.38 | Kueken | *in the same area |
| 02:45.38 | GALVACATRON | Jesus, this is cumbersome |
| 02:45.47 | Kueken | yeah, right? ;) |
| 02:45.52 | Bounty | Its like a whos the killer map but taken to the extreme |
| 02:45.55 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, just give me some of your galaxy code and tell me where I can input my own code in the editor, I will learn how this works from that. |
| 02:45.58 | Bounty | and the objective is not to figure out who the killer is lol |
| 02:46.09 | Parthon | Bounty: I'm intrigued |
| 02:46.13 | Kueken | kk, sec |
| 02:46.16 | Vailreth | the Trigger editor is for people like me who can think right but cant actually program ... |
| 02:46.32 | Parthon | and people like me, who can program well, but can't remember the function names :P |
| 02:47.36 | Bounty | It will be 2 sides split up into 2, the good guys consist of the civillians and the guards. the bad guys consist of the Ghost and his apprentice assassin who he picks amongst the civillians |
| 02:47.41 | GALVACATRON | The trigger editor is for masochists |
| 02:47.47 | GALVACATRON | Well, so is people who enjoy using C |
| 02:48.12 | Bounty | best part imo is that the assassin will start off on the civ team but be chosen after the game starts, and he kills via a hidden blade in his arm :) |
| 02:48.35 | Bounty | thats just the basics but u get the idea |
| 02:48.52 | Bounty | Its basically |
| 02:49.16 | Bounty | If you're a civillian its a Survival/Horror. If you're a guard its an escort/shooter. |
| 02:49.26 | Bounty | If you're an Assassin is a stealth/deception |
| 02:49.29 | Parthon | lol, the editor really isn't that bad |
| 02:49.38 | Bounty | same if you're the Ghost |
| 02:49.54 | Bounty | So it should be interesting, havent seen anything like it before so |
| 02:50.26 | Vailreth | like assassins creed if the templar were playable almost |
| 02:50.48 | Bounty | well yeah but thats only 1 part |
| 02:50.50 | Bounty | out of the 4 |
| 02:50.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:51.11 | Bounty | only 1 person plays as that part, unless ur killed by the Ghost then you're converted to an assassin |
| 02:51.46 | Bounty | Its pretty much 4 games in one |
| 02:51.54 | Bounty | depending on what role you get |
| 02:52.14 | Bounty | Its like Mafia but the game actually changes depending on ur role lol |
| 02:52.19 | Parthon | it's like dark deeds, but better |
| 02:52.21 | Bounty | if you have a gun, its a shooter |
| 02:52.29 | Bounty | if you dont, its a horror game |
| 02:52.53 | Bounty | and 3rd person of course |
| 02:52.59 | Bounty | ive been thinking about 1rst person but |
| 02:53.22 | Bounty | i really wanna do third person do if you're the assassin you can really see ur blade come out of ur arm |
| 02:53.28 | Bounty | so if* |
| 02:53.49 | Bounty | it will also have sound and music ques. kinda like i did with Haunted Temple |
| 02:53.56 | Bounty | If the ghost is near u... the music gets tense |
| 02:54.07 | Bounty | and if an assassin shoots his blade out near u.. ull hear it |
| 02:54.12 | Bounty | etc |
| 02:54.32 | Parthon | ambitious :D |
| 02:54.38 | Bounty | not really |
| 02:54.45 | Bounty | piece of cake to me lol |
| 02:54.52 | Bounty | ive done all of these things before |
| 02:54.55 | Parthon | yeah |
| 02:55.02 | Parthon | it's putting them all together |
| 02:55.05 | Bounty | yeah |
| 02:55.11 | Bounty | the only hard part will be |
| 02:55.14 | Bounty | balancing the Ghost |
| 02:55.20 | Bounty | bc in haunted temple the problem was |
| 02:55.27 | Bounty | If the player who was the killer sucked... the game sucked |
| 02:55.29 | Kueken | GALVACATRON: http://codepad.org/mCcSS9cN |
| 02:55.32 | Bounty | so i need to somehow fix that |
| 02:55.35 | Kueken | does this help you? |
| 02:55.45 | Kueken | to implement |
| 02:55.46 | Parthon | make them more powerful? |
| 02:55.54 | Bounty | nah its not about power |
| 02:55.59 | Kueken | add a new custom script object in the trigger editor |
| 02:56.00 | Bounty | its that if the killer is a newb... |
| 02:56.03 | Kueken | paste the code |
| 02:56.04 | Bounty | well you know |
| 02:56.08 | Bounty | the game will suck |
| 02:56.19 | Bounty | so im gonna have to do lots of help tips lol |
| 02:56.24 | GALVACATRON | Kueken, oh, I just meant a general excerpt of your any code |
| 02:56.26 | GALVACATRON | but this is cool too. |
| 02:56.26 | Bounty | short and sweet so morons can read them |
| 02:56.27 | Kueken | and write Init in the initialization function box |
| 02:56.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:56.31 | Kueken | at the bottom |
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| 02:57.06 | Kueken | I didn't test it, it might have typos |
| 02:58.58 | Kueken | also, my general code is barely in a readable state and usually not commented at all |
| 02:59.06 | GALVACATRON | Ahhh, yes, I see |
| 02:59.18 | Kueken | and in galaxy++ so probably not useful at all |
| 03:01.34 | Kueken | you might want to change the id in the UnitFromId call to the id of your watchtower |
| 03:01.36 | Kueken | however |
| 03:01.58 | Kueken | afaik there is no way to look up the id without adding a trigger for it |
| 03:02.06 | Kueken | and select the unit |
| 03:07.54 | Bounty | I can guarantee you it will be the greatest custom ever made Parthon lol :) |
| 03:08.08 | Parthon | I dunno, I'm trying to make that one too :P |
| 03:08.09 | Bounty | I've only said about 1/8th of the mechanics |
| 03:08.16 | Parthon | aaah |
| 03:08.27 | Bounty | Like when i said to the extreme i meant it |
| 03:08.43 | Bounty | im talkin shit like no global voice chat unless u have a radio and u all have to be on same frequency |
| 03:08.45 | Parthon | power thirst! |
| 03:08.49 | Kueken | yay |
| 03:08.52 | Bounty | :) |
| 03:08.56 | Bounty | stuff like that |
| 03:08.57 | Kueken | crashed 1.5 editor |
| 03:09.13 | Vailreth | it happens alot Kueken |
| 03:09.19 | Kueken | :) |
| 03:09.24 | Parthon | rofl |
| 03:09.29 | Bounty | I would like to take the deception genre on sc2 and take it to the next level multiplied by 10000 |
| 03:09.31 | Vailreth | less so since the second patch |
| 03:09.38 | Parthon | I stick to data and triggers, not many crashes there |
| 03:09.46 | Bounty | Because right now all it is... its just u lie and thats it |
| 03:09.59 | Bounty | Needs to be more in depth |
| 03:10.05 | Bounty | like hardcore mastermind deception |
| 03:10.05 | Kueken | I tried to mess with the cutscene editor |
| 03:10.34 | Vailreth | yes do not undo on the time line |
| 03:10.39 | Kueken | oh right, I have some crashes for the previous editor, I can see, if they got fixed :) |
| 03:10.46 | Parthon | yeah, cutscene editor is unstable |
| 03:11.00 | Vailreth | and lacks some desired functionality |
| 03:11.20 | Vailreth | but its meant for story mode models not regular ones |
| 03:12.10 | Parthon | undo is still problematic :P |
| 03:12.14 | Bounty | Remember what i have said in this IRC Parthon, because after this project is made true... i shall be famouuusss |
| 03:12.15 | Parthon | in all modes |
| 03:12.26 | Parthon | haha, starcraft famous? |
| 03:12.27 | Vailreth | yes |
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| 03:12.31 | Bounty | no |
| 03:12.33 | Bounty | worldwide |
| 03:12.38 | Bounty | I will be the next Notch |
| 03:12.41 | Bounty | or w/e his name is |
| 03:12.49 | Parthon | Markus Persson? |
| 03:12.49 | grim001 | I wonder if galaxy++ is good yet |
| 03:12.55 | Parthon | not that I know that or anything :P |
| 03:12.59 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:13.01 | Bounty | sounds like you do |
| 03:13.06 | Bounty | ironically my name is also Mark |
| 03:13.11 | Bounty | coincidence? i think not |
| 03:13.11 | Parthon | yeah, I was one of the pre-alpha testers |
| 03:13.26 | Bounty | My name is Mark and i am left handed... i am destined for fame |
| 03:13.33 | Parthon | haha, yeah :D |
| 03:13.51 | Bounty | Just remember Parthon you can tell people |
| 03:13.59 | Bounty | I knew him before he was famous |
| 03:14.03 | Bounty | >.< |
| 03:14.03 | Kueken | grim001: I like it a lot already |
| 03:14.05 | Parthon | heh |
| 03:14.16 | Kueken | cannot really say, if it is good, though |
| 03:14.17 | Bounty | No but seriousl |
| 03:14.19 | Bounty | seriously* |
| 03:14.24 | grim001 | I have just started reading through the documentation |
| 03:14.38 | Bounty | im really just counting on all my testers from the past to return to sc2 bc of 1.5 |
| 03:14.39 | grim001 | then I will try writing some libraries in it and see if it works correctly |
| 03:14.41 | Bounty | thats all i need |
| 03:14.48 | Kueken | some people say it uses strange implementations, for example for struct recycling etc |
| 03:14.51 | Bounty | i have hundreds of them, but thye dont play anymore |
| 03:14.59 | Parthon | Bounty: you make the best sc2 map ever |
| 03:15.07 | Parthon | I'll get famous by making the best space sim ever :P |
| 03:15.09 | grim001 | porting all of my libraries into galaxy++ would be a sufficient test for whether it actually works well |
| 03:15.17 | Kueken | :D |
| 03:15.25 | Bounty | space sim within sc2 Parthon? |
| 03:15.34 | Bounty | kinda surprised nobody has done that yet |
| 03:15.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:15.36 | Parthon | naw, stand-alone |
| 03:15.43 | Bounty | o0o |
| 03:15.54 | Parthon | you know dwarf fortress? |
| 03:15.57 | Parthon | like that, but in space |
| 03:16.00 | Bounty | yeah well your strength is my weakness |
| 03:16.05 | Bounty | i am not a coder |
| 03:16.07 | Bounty | at all |
| 03:16.08 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:16.19 | Parthon | but now, a sim map in sc2 based on space is making me go "ooooooh, I wonder" |
| 03:16.33 | Kueken | still fiddling with that: |
| 03:16.34 | Bounty | the audience is there |
| 03:16.34 | Kueken | http://h11.abload.de/img/baneblade1vk9q.jpg |
| 03:16.54 | Parthon | whoa, that's a tank :D |
| 03:17.05 | grim001 | I don't like how libraries and initializers work so far, and nothing is mentioned about the order of initializers... |
| 03:17.14 | Parthon | there is no order |
| 03:17.41 | Kueken | well, libraries can require each other |
| 03:17.45 | Kueken | other than that |
| 03:17.46 | Vailreth | wow nice tank |
| 03:17.54 | Kueken | I don't like it that much either |
| 03:18.25 | Kueken | its supposed to be a Baneblade from WH40K |
| 03:18.30 | grim001 | initialization order can become tricker than it seems, it's better to have it explicitly documented |
| 03:18.52 | Kueken | agreed |
| 03:19.39 | Kueken | Galaxy++ has no real support for libraries yet imo, it looks more like a patchwork thing |
| 03:21.27 | Kueken | however, I am totally used to all its little conveniences, I don't wanna miss it anymore :9 |
| 03:21.31 | Parthon | Bounty: now I'm pondering what kind of sim would work well in sc2, and what people would like to see |
| 03:21.46 | Bounty | prolly a space sim Parthon |
| 03:21.54 | Parthon | well duh |
| 03:21.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:22.00 | Bounty | maybe like |
| 03:22.04 | Bounty | sim city |
| 03:22.07 | Bounty | but with the universe |
| 03:22.11 | Parthon | like, master of orion, or more like sim city, yeah |
| 03:22.14 | Bounty | I think people would enjoy that |
| 03:22.37 | Parthon | and unit based or stats based |
| 03:23.16 | Bounty | no idea |
| 03:23.19 | Bounty | never done a sim before |
| 03:23.37 | Parthon | I haven't done on in sc2 |
| 03:23.43 | Bounty | but i mean you basically just gotta profile people |
| 03:23.50 | Bounty | If you enjoy Sc2 |
| 03:24.00 | Bounty | you would enjoy this sim with x features |
| 03:24.06 | Vailreth | later folks |
| 03:24.10 | Kueken | yay |
| 03:24.19 | Vailreth | yay? |
| 03:24.20 | Kueken | copy&paste support for actor events :D |
| 03:24.37 | Vailreth | thats been there a while .. |
| 03:24.41 | Kueken | but no removal via delete key |
| 03:24.57 | Vailreth | or mass select |
| 03:25.02 | Kueken | oh right |
| 03:25.42 | Kueken | c%p worked before, rest seems unchanged |
| 03:25.45 | Kueken | :( |
| 03:25.56 | Vailreth | but there are new events i think |
| 03:25.59 | Kueken | didn't open the editor in a while |
| 03:26.11 | Parthon | aww, he left |
| 03:26.39 | Vailreth | yes too bad |
| 03:27.00 | Parthon | hehe, not even half way through the current project :P |
| 03:28.10 | Kueken | hm |
| 03:28.24 | Kueken | changes in event macros are still not reflected in the editor |
| 03:28.40 | Kueken | but they don't seem to crash the editor anymore, at least :D |
| 03:29.45 | Parthon | okies, I need some rest, goodnight for now |
| 03:30.02 | Kueken | bye |
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| 04:10.19 | grim001 | I'd have more confidence in galaxy++ if it didn't use the spelling "enheritance" |
| 04:13.44 | grim001 | why is this->field used instead of this.field |
| 04:22.12 | grim001 | well there are certainly some things I don't like in galaxy++ documentation |
| 04:22.21 | grim001 | but I might be able to use it |
| 05:16.57 | grim001 | now to convert my priority queue implementation into galaxy++, whether it works will be interesting |
| 06:03.09 | grim001 | my god |
| 06:03.26 | grim001 | you can't typecast class instances into integers. that makes everything so much harder than it should be |
| 06:13.25 | grim001 | well I was having fun using galaxy++ but that's just failure... |
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| 08:43.04 | grim001 | does SBeier ever come on here? |
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| 10:29.36 | grim001 | . |
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| 11:14.27 | Deaod | grim! |
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| 12:31.37 | grim001 | wow i actually got something in galaxy++ to work despite the bugs and compile errors |
| 12:46.12 | grim001 | I guess it works better than andromeda ever did, considering I was able to write working code |
| 12:46.30 | grim001 | eventually. |
| 12:53.02 | Hookah604 | what does scale to host do in actor flags? And my range actors it sightly shows more range than their weapon, anyone seen that? |
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| 15:17.38 | Ashamed | ahh |
| 15:18.00 | Vail|Gone | Hookah604 if you still need to know, that actor flag tells the actor with it to recall according to the scale of the host so the large the host the large the child actor with that flag |
| 15:19.01 | Vail|Gone | rescale not recall |
| 15:19.13 | Vail|Gone | damn disobedient fingers |
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| 15:42.38 | eimtr | does anyone know how to repair a medivac with an scv that is inside it? |
| 15:44.09 | eimtr | I order the scv with triggers to repair but doesnt do it |
| 15:47.07 | eimtr | .. |
| 15:47.21 | Ashamed | haz anyone else notice chrome breaks other browsers? |
| 15:47.32 | Ashamed | especially IE?.. its like its dependent on IE files or something |
| 15:47.36 | Ashamed | and it breaks them for IE |
| 15:47.40 | Vailreth | have not noticed that Ashamed... |
| 15:47.43 | Ashamed | i dunno >< just something i have been observing |
| 15:47.44 | Tomura | how about a behavior that somehow detects a scv in cargo |
| 15:47.55 | Tomura | there is a unitcomparecargo validator |
| 15:47.57 | Vailreth | then again i dont use IE |
| 15:48.02 | Tomura | haven't used it though |
| 15:48.10 | Vailreth | yeah that just compares cargo count |
| 15:48.11 | Ashamed | like today i had a customer that used a IE tab in Firefox... and i fixed it by unistalling chrome |
| 15:48.29 | Vailreth | weird |
| 15:48.40 | Ashamed | and like his IE/firefix instantly started working better too |
| 15:48.48 | Ashamed | like web pages started loading faster and was noticable |
| 15:49.24 | Ashamed | i talked to a buddy of mine that noticed something like that as well . Strange i will figure it out! |
| 15:51.11 | Vailreth | eimtr: i believe its because teh scv can not See the medicav when inside it maybe try setting the Visable required flags to allowed on the ability filters |
| 15:52.18 | Vailreth | or alternatively it may be because while loaded in a transport the game might considerthem one unit |
| 15:52.43 | Vailreth | so the repair ability cant effect its self |
| 15:53.16 | Tomura | I think it would be the best to just add a behavior to the medivac with triggers when a scv is inside it |
| 15:53.43 | eimtr | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/34849-solved-problems-with-autocasting-while-in-a-transport/#p16 |
| 15:54.08 | eimtr | ]someoen here has done idk how he says removing HiddenCompareAB validators but i dont see such in the scv repair effects |
| 15:56.33 | Tomura | hmmm i found them |
| 15:57.27 | eimtr | yes me2m ive forgotten advanced mode, so do u know what i gotta change there |
| 15:57.50 | Tomura | I'll try something |
| 16:00.38 | eimtr | ok pls tell if you make it work |
| 16:05.02 | Vailreth | ok i have it working |
| 16:05.34 | Tomura | oh it really works |
| 16:05.49 | eimtr | oh, how? I am creating a cargo unit through trigger and order it to repair that transport in which it is |
| 16:06.20 | Tomura | currently i just tested the autocast |
| 16:07.51 | eimtr | Vailreth, does it work and how |
| 16:09.05 | Vailreth | first you must edit the repair ability to that its auto cast and target filters are set to have visable allowed instead of required then in the ability flags tick on passenger aquired transport, last in the repair effect you need to remove the HiddenCompare BA validtor |
| 16:10.01 | Vailreth | if you have that working you should be able to just toggle the auto cast on the unit created in cargo .. |
| 16:10.34 | eimtr | i have the flags auto cast and atocast on ticked |
| 16:10.50 | eimtr | Auto cast filters remove Visible- Required/ |
| 16:10.54 | eimtr | ? |
| 16:11.18 | eimtr | ah yes ok |
| 16:11.20 | Vailreth | autocast and Target filiters should have visible set to allow |
| 16:15.46 | eimtr | do you create the scv as a cargo? |
| 16:15.56 | eimtr | cause i did that but they still dont want to repair |
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| 16:22.34 | eimtr | I create scv as cargo and order it to repair, it has enough resourcews for repair |
| 16:22.40 | Vailreth | yes it works just fine that way |
| 16:23.05 | Vailreth | do you have passanger aquire transport ticked on in the ability flags? |
| 16:24.11 | eimtr | sec, do you enable Autocast is On by default onlu Autocast is ticked |
| 16:25.09 | Vailreth | right now autocast and autocast on are both ticked |
| 16:28.16 | Ashamed | so i got this wii emulator and been playing the new zelda not too bad of a game. |
| 16:30.29 | eimtr | Vailreth can u send the map pls |
| 16:30.52 | Vailreth | let me test some more first |
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| 16:35.09 | Vailreth | ok units in transports can not be ordered to change their auto cast mode via triggers... |
| 16:37.13 | Vailreth | what version of the editor are you using eimtr? i am using the 1.5 beta |
| 16:37.42 | eimtr | i use normal one, not arcade |
| 16:38.00 | Vailreth | ok let me recreate this map there then |
| 16:39.14 | eimtr | i dont mind if it is not autocast. seems ordering to SCV Repair also doesnt work |
| 16:39.32 | eimtr | through trigs |
| 16:41.35 | Vailreth | i do not think cargo units can recieve orders of their own with out a redirect on the host |
| 16:42.22 | eimtr | would it work with redirect |
| 16:42.36 | eimtr | cause i just need an scv inside ti start repairing no matter how |
| 16:51.14 | Ashamed | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQkBeOisNM0 |
| 16:52.22 | Vailreth | ok i have a map to show |
| 16:53.33 | eimtr | did it work |
| 16:54.56 | Vailreth | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25150886/Scv%20repair%20medivac%20from%20inside.SC2Map |
| 16:55.27 | Vailreth | just incase any one wants to take a look and improve on it |
| 16:55.58 | Vailreth | just use your marines to damage the medivac and then enter the chat message tweet |
| 16:57.25 | Vailreth | for good or ill this sett up will also allow scvs to repair bunkers and command centers from the inside |
| 16:57.43 | eimtr | testing it ow |
| 16:58.52 | Vailreth | chat messege is tweet to add an scv moiney and tell the medivac to turn on the scv repair ability through the redirect |
| 17:02.22 | eimtr | yes just tested it thanks! |
| 17:02.29 | Vailreth | welcome. |
| 17:03.08 | Vailreth | the medivac needs the redirect ability but as you can see it neednt be on the command card when activated by triggers |
| 17:03.11 | eimtr | so you used turn Autopcast On command, i tried targeting the SCV for ridertc so thasts hwy it didnt work |
| 17:03.20 | eimtr | yes indeed |
| 17:05.00 | Ashamed | http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/education/how-american-fundamentalist-schools-are-using-nessie-to-disprove-evolution.17918511 |
| 17:05.30 | Ashamed | Apperntly nessie disproves evolution because it would be impossable for him to live millions of years...but possable for him to live 4000 years... THUS noahs arc is real! |
| 17:05.41 | Vailreth | give the repair ability a little range and tick on passenger aqquired external and poof the medivac with an scv can repair other units ... |
| 17:06.22 | Vailreth | oookkaaay there Ashamed... |
| 17:06.28 | Ashamed | what people come up with lol |
| 17:06.30 | Vailreth | thats just silly |
| 17:06.37 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 17:07.01 | Ashamed | its like mby.... mby you could use this as a base line... if you could first prove the exsitince of nessie...? |
| 17:07.19 | Vailreth | yeah. |
| 17:07.22 | eimtr | now gonna test it on my map |
| 17:09.03 | Vailreth | doog kcul |
| 17:10.42 | Vailreth | good luck rather] |
| 17:14.33 | Hookah604 | what does refresh stack behavior buff flag do? |
| 17:15.51 | Hookah604 | (I really hate data editor...) |
| 17:20.32 | Vailreth | i believe that resets the duration of the behavior every time it is reapplied |
| 17:21.03 | Vailreth | i have to go for a sec brb |
| 17:25.24 | Vailreth | back |
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| 17:36.56 | Vailreth | welcome back Ashamed |
| 17:43.59 | teh_almarar | Vailreth, how do you update the value of records in the trigger editor? |
| 17:44.21 | Vailreth | i have no clue... |
| 17:44.38 | Vailreth | how do you mean update them? |
| 17:44.59 | teh_almarar | Just change the values of the member of a record |
| 17:45.38 | Vailreth | i suppose set or modify varible action works just fine if its just the values of the variables in the record |
| 17:46.22 | Vailreth | im more of a data editor type so triggers are not my specialty sorry |
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| 18:04.57 | MrOp | hi |
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| 18:06.21 | hobbidude | anyone know you to check in trigger how much a unit is healed via abilities (for like achievements)? |
| 18:14.31 | Vailreth | i am trying to figure that out |
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| 18:33.44 | eimtr | FUUU stupid Data |
| 18:34.00 | Vailreth | hey Kueken i need a bit of triggering theory help if you dont mind?> |
| 18:34.15 | Kueken | go on |
| 18:34.16 | eimtr | Vailreth, they work on your map but on on mine |
| 18:34.36 | Vailreth | strange |
| 18:35.16 | eimtr | I copied my SCV repair modifications to your map and my redirect to see if im not doing naything but they work on yours not on mine la |
| 18:35.18 | Vailreth | ok i am trying to count the changes in unit life when they change buy only when they are increases such as being healed. |
| 18:35.42 | Kueken | yep |
| 18:35.51 | Vailreth | did you modify the repair effect to not use Hidden BA? |
| 18:36.04 | Kueken | and whats yor problem? |
| 18:36.23 | Ahli | I'm always dieing with lvl 56 in hardcore in D3... damned |
| 18:36.35 | Kueken | :D |
| 18:36.42 | Kueken | my hardcore hero is lvl 9 |
| 18:36.44 | Vailreth | so i am trying to create a condition that allows for any units life to be increasing |
| 18:37.00 | Vailreth | and no clue how to do it.. |
| 18:37.23 | Kueken | a condition, that allows for increasing? |
| 18:37.33 | Kueken | so you are trying to disable heals? |
| 18:37.59 | Vailreth | no i am trying to count how much healing occurs during the map play |
| 18:38.10 | Kueken | ok |
| 18:38.20 | eimtr | Vailreth, i didnt modify validators since they work on your map with no changes |
| 18:38.39 | Vailreth | no i changed the validators for the Repair effect |
| 18:38.57 | Kueken | well, you will need to check hp values in an interval, or keep track of all individual heals |
| 18:39.08 | Vailreth | i removed the HiddenSomethingBA validator from the effect. |
| 18:39.21 | Kueken | depending on your setup and if all heals + all regeneration should be counted |
| 18:39.58 | Kueken | it probably won't be accurate to check in an interval |
| 18:40.25 | Kueken | because every damage during the last interval will be substracted |
| 18:41.38 | Vailreth | i can see that working for a few units but trying to keep track of that for all possible units on a map... |
| 18:41.45 | Kueken | so if you want to track it accurately, track the healing effects, track the regeneration values, which should count towards the heal counter and track all heals in triggers, possibly with a custom heal function |
| 18:43.04 | Kueken | probably the easiest and most universally useable way would be to relize all healing via trigger |
| 18:43.10 | Vailreth | i dont know much about what the idea is some one just asked if any one knew how to check this and after i said i was working on it he split so eh ... |
| 18:43.12 | Kueken | *realize |
| 18:44.05 | Kueken | you could make a custom Healunit function, taking caster, target and amount |
| 18:44.07 | Vailreth | i just thought it would be a nice project to learn triggering abit better. |
| 18:44.42 | Kueken | which automatically saves the amount to the targets "being healed" amount and the casters "healed" amount |
| 18:44.50 | Kueken | possibly by using the unit's custom value |
| 18:45.00 | Vailreth | i see. |
| 18:45.32 | Kueken | or if you need it per player, just store it in a variable |
| 18:45.35 | eimtr | Halleluiah.... that's why they didn't repair on my map. now they do with removing HiddenCompareBA thanks Vailreth now it works |
| 18:45.46 | Vailreth | welcome |
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| 18:50.10 | Ahli | whoops, buttons get small with a lot of open tabs... time to close some I guess |
| 18:52.17 | Vailreth | well time for lunch and stuff be back in a bit |
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| 19:00.41 | MrOp | does anyone know the guy who made Survial Man |
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| 19:02.54 | Bounty | Pew |
| 19:03.35 | MrOp | sup man |
| 19:03.36 | MrOp | XD |
| 19:03.43 | Bounty | n2m u |
| 19:03.48 | MrOp | nothing |
| 19:04.03 | MrOp | any new maps |
| 19:04.13 | Bounty | nope |
| 19:04.19 | MrOp | o |
| 19:04.21 | MrOp | :( |
| 19:04.37 | MrOp | the car racing thingie was a hit |
| 19:04.40 | MrOp | XD |
| 19:04.47 | Bounty | Photon Discs not good enough for ya? :) |
| 19:05.04 | MrOp | uh idk if i ever played taht one |
| 19:05.06 | MrOp | XD |
| 19:05.09 | Bounty | uh |
| 19:05.20 | Bounty | what was the last map of mine u played? the car racing map was like.. 15 maps ago |
| 19:05.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:05.23 | Ahli | did you upload it already on the arcade beta? |
| 19:05.33 | Bounty | im in the process of doing that right now |
| 19:05.36 | Bounty | DLing the beta |
| 19:05.38 | MrOp | idk i havent been on in like a year |
| 19:05.48 | MrOp | or awhile |
| 19:05.50 | MrOp | XD |
| 19:05.57 | Ahli | I think I need to write the already between you and upload, don't I? |
| 19:06.03 | MrOp | just wanted to seee if this channel was still alive |
| 19:06.12 | Bounty | Been getting alot of complaints that people want to play Photon Discs but can't since its so low on the list |
| 19:06.20 | Bounty | So i figure ill just upload it to the beta and get it some more exposure |
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| 19:06.29 | Ahli | obviously your fault, indeed ;D |
| 19:06.30 | Bounty | Thats the plan atleast |
| 19:06.37 | MrOp | ttyl |
| 19:06.40 | Bounty | lol yep... all my fault |
| 19:06.41 | Bounty | :) |
| 19:06.44 | Bounty | somehow? |
| 19:08.23 | Bounty | Having issues getting the stupid beta installer to work |
| 19:08.26 | Bounty | keeps getting stuck |
| 19:11.49 | Bounty | sigh.. stuck at 10% again |
| 19:11.57 | Bounty | goign to take this as a sign to not even bother |
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| 19:29.09 | Vailreth | well shoot i was going to suggest that he try something |
| 19:29.19 | Vailreth | wow its way to late |
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| 19:57.48 | Ahli | what does the terrain deformer use out of a footprint to apply the deformation? |
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| 20:25.20 | Vailreth | not sure... |
| 20:25.26 | Vailreth | likely the shape |
| 20:29.39 | Ahli | that stuff is to random to use for my case :S I only want small holes where lava can appear, but it seems just to use random huge triangles... I guess it's the water's fault :S |
| 20:29.46 | Parthon | gah |
| 20:29.54 | Parthon | blizzard did something! :( |
| 20:30.23 | Vailreth | sounds like a job for data editor man... * whoosh * |
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| 20:30.57 | Parthon | heh :D |
| 20:31.23 | Parthon | I'm in the tricky bit of the project, where I'm never quite sure what do to |
| 20:31.49 | Vailreth | i see |
| 20:32.29 | Parthon | and it's too fraeking cold |
| 20:32.53 | Parthon | I have a bunch of towers to impliment, and triggers to create |
| 20:40.29 | Ahli | give me a cool diablo style spell I could implement |
| 20:41.30 | Parthon | firewall |
| 20:41.50 | Ahli | already done |
| 20:41.59 | Parthon | oh, is this for dia blo? |
| 20:42.03 | Ahli | yes |
| 20:42.15 | Vailreth | witch doctor frogs? |
| 20:42.36 | Parthon | guardian |
| 20:42.55 | Ahli | guardian is already done. I don't know when witch doctor frogs hit |
| 20:42.56 | Parthon | golem, or stone curse are good too |
| 20:43.05 | Ahli | golem is done, stone curse is op |
| 20:43.08 | Parthon | chain lightning too |
| 20:43.13 | Ahli | chain lightning is done |
| 20:43.29 | Ahli | except for the looks. my lightning projectile looks terrible |
| 20:43.36 | Parthon | mana shield? |
| 20:43.55 | Ahli | done. also spawns protoss shield actors to the side of the attacker |
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| 20:47.49 | Ahli | I've firebolt, fireball, charged bolt, lightning, chain lightning, firewall, inferno (D1), golem, nova, healing, mana shield, town portal, teleport, flash, flame wave, holy bolt, guardian, leap, multishot, whirlwind, lightning trap and a magic hook to grab a single target towards you. |
| 20:48.38 | Parthon | nice |
| 20:48.44 | Parthon | those last 5 aren't d1 :D |
| 20:49.13 | Parthon | Vailreth: for a space sim, planet-to-planet or planet surface? |
| 20:49.31 | Parthon | planet-to-planet I think actually |
| 20:49.41 | Vailreth | the same i think |
| 20:49.50 | Parthon | this is going to be tricky to make :P |
| 20:49.57 | grim001 | ... |
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| 20:50.25 | Parthon | grim001? |
| 20:50.55 | Ahli | I want to add skills and it might come in form of a skill tree. I never wanted to remake D1. I only use it as a basis to start from. |
| 20:51.37 | Parthon | oooh right |
| 20:52.53 | Vailreth | i too need ideas for spells |
| 20:54.13 | Parthon | you know how refineries need to be built on geysers, can you do that for non-resource units? |
| 20:54.19 | teh_almarar | Kueken, seriously, galaxy script is awful. |
| 20:54.30 | teh_almarar | Why on earth do they use C as the template, C is _horrid_ for event registration based stuff |
| 20:54.41 | teh_almarar | there's a reason almost everyone does this in ECMAscript or some Lua derivative. |
| 20:55.24 | Vailreth | yes you can use built on for non resource things |
| 20:55.24 | Asahmed | so anyone still palying boring ass diablo 3? |
| 20:55.26 | teh_almarar | Imagine the ease of aWatchtower.onability.capture = function(unitThatCaptures) { ... } or something like that |
| 20:56.21 | Parthon | Vailreth: is that requirement on the geyser or the refinery? |
| 20:56.35 | Vailreth | refinery |
| 20:56.50 | Parthon | ah, found it |
| 20:57.12 | grim001 | So it looks like SBeier may be ready to make galaxy++ open source. Which means I could either make galaxy++ better or work on my own language and embed it into the existing editor. |
| 20:57.28 | Vailreth | be warned i havent found a way to make it give anything but the resource placement error |
| 20:58.24 | Parthon | so .. it doesn't work then? |
| 20:59.02 | Vailreth | it works |
| 20:59.32 | Vailreth | but it only gives the " this must be placed on a vespene guyser " error when you try to place it any where invalid |
| 20:59.48 | Parthon | oh right |
| 20:59.54 | Parthon | I can deal with that |
| 21:00.01 | Vailreth | nod |
| 21:00.28 | Kueken | teh_almarar: yeah, I know |
| 21:00.28 | Vailreth | i use the built on for my warp build syetem |
| 21:00.49 | Kueken | but well, we can quit or deal with it :) |
| 21:01.12 | Vailreth | it works like a cross between a probe and a warp gate |
| 21:01.22 | teh_almarar | Kueken, no, we are going to change this. |
| 21:01.27 | teh_almarar | You and I baby. |
| 21:01.36 | teh_almarar | Does the galaxy editor support extensions? |
| 21:01.41 | teh_almarar | If so, we wil make this work, you and I. |
| 21:01.56 | Kueken | it doesn't |
| 21:02.06 | teh_almarar | Then we will make it so that it does. |
| 21:02.10 | Kueken | :D |
| 21:02.29 | teh_almarar | Kueken, we not cannot be stopped, not even by Blizzard. |
| 21:02.51 | Kueken | you can go the same route Galaxy++ takes, using a precompiler to convert galaxy++ syntax to valid galaxy code, then import it to the map |
| 21:03.09 | Kueken | but thats about it, I guess |
| 21:03.20 | teh_almarar | Map.onevent.initialize = setUpMeleeMap; |
| 21:03.25 | teh_almarar | It'll do for now |
| 21:03.29 | teh_almarar | you know you want something like that. |
| 21:03.57 | Kueken | I think, you can already do similar stuff with G++ |
| 21:04.18 | Kueken | but I didn't use all its features yet |
| 21:04.31 | Kueken | also I don't really have a coding background :) |
| 21:04.36 | grim001 | I have been testing galaxy++ pretty heavily |
| 21:04.45 | grim001 | Love the editor, but the language itself needs some work |
| 21:04.48 | Kueken | I just like to use galaxy script over Gui, because the Gui annoys me |
| 21:05.01 | teh_almarar | Any(Unit).onevent.death = function () {this.player.increaseMinerals(100);}; |
| 21:05.01 | teh_almarar | That's the stuff. |
| 21:05.21 | Kueken | g++ supports enrichments, which would let you do that |
| 21:05.31 | Kueken | maybe not exactly like that |
| 21:05.34 | Kueken | but similar |
| 21:05.48 | grim001 | If it goes open source, my ideas would break too much reverse compatibility, so I'd need to start my own language. |
| 21:06.02 | grim001 | guess I can add support for multiple languages into the editor. |
| 21:08.03 | Archina | mmhh |
| 21:08.07 | Archina | g++? oO |
| 21:08.11 | Archina | oh |
| 21:08.14 | Parthon | I wish the model viewer was easy to use |
| 21:08.15 | Archina | yeah =) |
| 21:08.17 | Archina | mmhh =) |
| 21:08.56 | Parthon | I just want something "planetish" but there's no way to browse models as far as I can tell |
| 21:08.58 | Vailreth | i wish they had not combined the previewer with the cutscene editor |
| 21:09.02 | Archina | want a blender m3 exporter/importer |
| 21:09.09 | Archina | =( |
| 21:09.42 | Vailreth | i thought there was a basic one |
| 21:09.48 | Kueken | yeah, the cunscene editor is way too clumsy, if you just want to browse some models |
| 21:10.11 | Kueken | and it took years to find the model information like attachment points and materials -.- |
| 21:12.52 | Ahli | took me like 2 minutes to figure it out where to find it ;D |
| 21:13.08 | Kueken | parthon for planets, you can use the Sphere.m3 and retexture it |
| 21:13.18 | Kueken | gives some nice planets |
| 21:14.10 | Parthon | even just the sphere would be okay for now |
| 21:14.12 | Kueken | yeah Ahli, I am pretty stupid, I know ;) |
| 21:14.16 | Ahli | ^^ |
| 21:15.24 | Kueken | btw, your map was featured by Husky, right? |
| 21:15.36 | Ahli | indeed |
| 21:15.37 | Kueken | got some solid playerbase now? |
| 21:16.02 | Ahli | not anymore. everyone in beta already finished the content or hated the lag. |
| 21:16.09 | Kueken | :D |
| 21:16.25 | Kueken | add pvp :D |
| 21:16.29 | Ahli | or complained about 900mb to download^^ |
| 21:16.46 | Kueken | heh |
| 21:17.03 | Kueken | you used quite some imports |
| 21:17.06 | Ahli | they didn't finish streaming sc2, then it wants 900mb ;D |
| 21:17.21 | Kueken | 900 mb map, np np |
| 21:17.25 | Ahli | ;D |
| 21:17.27 | Tomura | wow |
| 21:17.36 | Ahli | no, I don't know how much it wanted to load |
| 21:17.58 | Kueken | well, should be possible theoretically, now that there is no limit on mods for one map |
| 21:18.11 | Kueken | as long as you have enough people to upload mods for you |
| 21:18.16 | Parthon | why does a custom map come with melee triggers?!!!!?! |
| 21:18.27 | Kueken | so you can delete them! |
| 21:18.54 | Parthon | pretty much |
| 21:19.52 | Parthon | hmm, need to set selection radious |
| 21:21.29 | Parthon | is there a way? |
| 21:26.23 | Vailreth | i belive in either the actor or model |
| 21:26.56 | Parthon | yeah, still wasn't showing up |
| 21:31.53 | Parthon | okies, this will require some thought .. goodnight all |
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| 21:44.02 | grim001 | Kueken what aspects of g++ have you actually made use of? |
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| 22:19.30 | grim001 | I can't use g++ for more than 30 seconds between crashes.. |
| 22:21.24 | grim001 | you can't use untyped data and you can't use generics because they cause crashes. so you're fucked. |
| 22:21.53 | grim001 | maybe I should just start from scratch... |
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| 22:57.16 | Bounty | Photon Discs is uploaded to Arcade Beta, go play that shit |
| 22:57.20 | Bounty | :) |
| 23:10.22 | Dustin | psha, Id pwn everyone to hard and theyed never play again |
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| 23:51.24 | teh_almarar | Kueken, with your help, we shall make the Galaxyscript to ECMA Galaxy compiler |
| 23:52.39 | Ahli | ECMA? |
