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| 00:12.11 | Dustin | sup |
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| 00:34.30 | Vailreth | icecreame |
| 00:34.38 | Vailreth | icecream |
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| 01:28.46 | Parthon | allo allo |
| 01:29.01 | Vailreth | yo |
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| 01:30.37 | Vailreth | Parthon, ever get your actors working |
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| 01:38.26 | Parthon | Vailreth: yup |
| 01:38.57 | Vailreth | nice |
| 01:43.45 | Parthon | I just gotta do 19 more |
| 01:44.08 | Parthon | and fighting with the editor over hidden actors or missing values is not fun |
| 01:44.29 | Vailreth | 19 more towers? |
| 01:44.35 | Parthon | yah |
| 01:44.44 | Parthon | and I did the easy one first |
| 01:44.54 | Vailreth | ah well at least you can use the same three build abilites if you want |
| 01:45.02 | Vailreth | i mean build actors |
| 01:45.10 | Vailreth | the progress ones for each race |
| 01:45.22 | Parthon | yeah, the positive side is that I learnt a little more about actors |
| 01:45.58 | Vailreth | nice |
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| 01:55.19 | Vailreth | if you do not mind my asking what kinds of towers are you planing ? |
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| 02:49.09 | Parthon | sorry, had a visitor, they gone now though |
| 02:49.45 | Parthon | stun, frost, lightning, plague, web, napalm, laser, weakness, empower, penetrate, missile, bunker, mine, creep, poison, charge, haste, acid, ice and flame |
| 03:01.52 | Vailreth | i see |
| 03:02.32 | Vailreth | how is plague diffrent from weakness and acid? |
| 03:03.59 | Vailreth | oh and poison |
| 03:05.12 | Vailreth | you neednt spill the beans here but as long as you have goood differentiating mechanics is all |
| 03:07.07 | Parthon | yeah, like napalm vs flame and ice vs frost |
| 03:07.23 | Vailreth | yes |
| 03:07.49 | Parthon | poison is an aoe dot bomb, plague puts a stationary pool of damage on the ground, weakness is an aoe debuff tower, and acid is an aoe damage and debuff |
| 03:08.38 | Vailreth | swap plague and acid it would make more sense to players i think |
| 03:08.51 | Parthon | plague does more damage than poison, but the monsters can walk out of it, so it needs to be combined with a slow tower, acid cuts through defence, but weakness also cuts down defence and attack power, but does more damage |
| 03:09.36 | Parthon | acid lowers their defence for a while, which wouldn't make sense for a plague tower |
| 03:09.43 | Parthon | it's like acid spray, not acid pool |
| 03:09.53 | Vailreth | ah. |
| 03:10.36 | Parthon | I might combine some though |
| 03:11.01 | Parthon | I was aiming to have a variety of mechanics with the towers so the player has to properly synergise between them |
| 03:11.40 | Vailreth | you maybe able to get another tower out of it if you rename Plague to something that makes more sense and use plague perhaps as a damage and debuff that can propgate between units. |
| 03:12.05 | Vailreth | but has a slower rate of fire |
| 03:12.41 | Parthon | yeah, I was thinking about that, but thought it might be too OP |
| 03:13.16 | Vailreth | not if the damage was just weak enough and the debuff was something unique. |
| 03:13.17 | Parthon | like turn poison into a poison cloud and make plague a spreading DOT |
| 03:13.37 | Vailreth | DOT? sorry not familar with it |
| 03:13.44 | Parthon | damage over time |
| 03:13.50 | Vailreth | ah |
| 03:14.37 | Parthon | I think I can limit it's power by limiting the spreading, or by putting a time limit on it |
| 03:14.38 | Vailreth | will any of the wave units have sheilds or energy? |
| 03:14.50 | Parthon | yup, the protoss units |
| 03:15.28 | Vailreth | hmm sheild burn may be an instresting idea .. |
| 03:15.30 | Parthon | but I'm avoiding specific tower vs race combinations, because the player will have a limited selection of towers |
| 03:15.38 | Vailreth | ah |
| 03:15.46 | Parthon | so I don't want any towers that are not useful, or that are definitely required |
| 03:16.00 | Vailreth | i see |
| 03:16.04 | Parthon | I can add a shield burn bonus onto some of them though |
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| 03:16.12 | DarkOrbis | hey |
| 03:16.16 | Vailreth | hey |
| 03:16.21 | Parthon | heya! |
| 03:16.37 | DarkOrbis | I need some major help with a data related problem |
| 03:16.38 | Parthon | like, there's many aoe towers, but do you take the one that slows, the one that debuffs, or the one that's just pure damage |
| 03:18.01 | Vailreth | hm |
| 03:18.17 | Vailreth | I may be able to help whats the Problem? |
| 03:18.23 | DarkOrbis | I'm trying to make an Enrage Timer for units. Sadly, in-combat validator only detects a single attack. so in between each attack the unit isn't considered as in combet |
| 03:18.27 | DarkOrbis | combat* |
| 03:18.55 | Vailreth | first which editor? beta or 1.4? |
| 03:19.05 | DarkOrbis | nor considers a unit as in combat if the unit is only chasing the target |
| 03:19.08 | DarkOrbis | 1.4 |
| 03:21.38 | Vailreth | hm ok give me a sec to change editiors |
| 03:22.04 | DarkOrbis | I can provide the map I've been testing on |
| 03:22.47 | Vailreth | thats ok i think his is simple enough |
| 03:23.32 | Vailreth | now what does this enrange time do? |
| 03:25.03 | DarkOrbis | Works like WoW enrage timers for mobs and bosses, i.e. if the boss is in combat for 2 mins the boss enrages gaining faster attack speed, more dmg, and gets bigger. |
| 03:26.48 | DarkOrbis | the 'In Combat' validator says a unit is only in combat when damage is dealt. so chasing a target isn't considered as in combat |
| 03:27.16 | DarkOrbis | I'd prefer in combat to work more like WoW's in combat |
| 03:27.22 | Vailreth | this may require a mix of three buffs.. |
| 03:28.53 | Vailreth | i may be able to knock it down to two |
| 03:33.32 | DarkOrbis | ok |
| 03:33.50 | DarkOrbis | I figured it would. Just can't it to work right |
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| 03:42.54 | Bounty | Pew |
| 03:43.56 | Vailreth | yo |
| 03:44.34 | Bounty | So, who would have thought that Diablo 3 would be more of a fuck up than Starcraft 2? |
| 03:44.45 | Vailreth | raises hand* |
| 03:44.55 | Bounty | >.< |
| 03:44.58 | Parthon | raises his hand |
| 03:45.02 | Bounty | Did you get to inferno? |
| 03:45.22 | Bounty | Its an effing joke after Act 1 lol |
| 03:45.25 | Parthon | nups, I'm at act 4 hell |
| 03:45.36 | Bounty | Do yourself a favor |
| 03:45.41 | Parthon | don't bother? :P |
| 03:45.42 | Bounty | Don't play Inferno |
| 03:45.44 | Bounty | Until they fix it |
| 03:45.48 | Bounty | Actually no |
| 03:45.50 | Bounty | Act 1 Inferno is fine |
| 03:45.52 | Parthon | I'm just tired of it, there's not much replay value |
| 03:45.57 | Parthon | barbarian? |
| 03:46.04 | Bounty | me? nah, Wizard |
| 03:46.22 | Bounty | But Act 1 Inferno is a good balance of difficulty in that its not impossible |
| 03:46.24 | Parthon | hmm, weird, wizard should be okay in inferno |
| 03:46.29 | Parthon | yeah, act 2 is just balls |
| 03:46.34 | Bounty | lol yeah in act 1 |
| 03:46.45 | Bounty | act 2 cannot be done without buying gear from RMAH |
| 03:46.56 | Bounty | 1 shot no matter what |
| 03:47.19 | Bounty | So.. have custom maps continued to die? |
| 03:49.56 | Parthon | in beta? |
| 03:50.04 | Bounty | Overall |
| 03:50.23 | Parthon | they are still doing quite well in beta during peak hours |
| 03:50.25 | Bounty | I noticed that the forums on mapster and bnet are even more dead than before lol |
| 03:50.32 | Parthon | up to 12 open games, can always find something to play |
| 03:50.46 | Bounty | Nice |
| 03:50.51 | Parthon | I think we'll just have to see what happens when 1.5 goes live |
| 03:50.58 | Parthon | it's an improvement, but I don't think it will be enough |
| 03:51.10 | Bounty | Prolly not |
| 03:51.12 | Parthon | because the system is still cumbersome |
| 03:51.22 | Bounty | I think it will scare more people away completely |
| 03:51.27 | Parthon | ie: a 2 minute wait on maps being updated to the open games list |
| 03:51.35 | Bounty | It looks way overcomplicated for the average bnet user lol |
| 03:51.37 | Parthon | hosts going AFK and locking an entire map out of the lobby |
| 03:51.47 | Bounty | lol wow |
| 03:51.53 | Bounty | so u still cant vote to kick host? |
| 03:51.57 | Parthon | nups |
| 03:52.01 | Bounty | sigh |
| 03:52.03 | Parthon | and you can't start a second public game |
| 03:52.14 | Bounty | well that makes sense |
| 03:52.15 | Parthon | and tehre's no way to start a public game as a party |
| 03:52.23 | Parthon | not when you can't get the game started |
| 03:52.46 | Bounty | Such a shame |
| 03:52.59 | Bounty | Every issue you just named would be fixed with a simple vote to kick host |
| 03:53.04 | Parthon | yup |
| 03:53.17 | Parthon | the open games list delay is a pain though |
| 03:53.24 | Bounty | delay? |
| 03:53.33 | Parthon | because a lobby will close, but it will still appear in the open games list for another 2 minutes |
| 03:53.42 | Parthon | so you get the "this lobby doesn't exist" error |
| 03:53.52 | Bounty | ha |
| 03:53.54 | Parthon | yeah, 2 minutes |
| 03:54.14 | Parthon | it's probably some kind of optimisation on blizzard part, but it will kick them in the balls |
| 03:54.14 | Bounty | I wonder how much longer Blizzard has |
| 03:54.22 | Bounty | Because this is quite interesting to me |
| 03:54.34 | Bounty | Clearly they can't do anything right anymore BUT they have a huge following |
| 03:54.43 | Bounty | so i'm curious to see how this plays out |
| 03:54.44 | Parthon | because I'm not one to hit the refresh button, but in the open games list I do it because there's 6+ lobbies, all of them are expired |
| 03:55.17 | Parthon | well, I feel that blizzard have their heads up their arses at the moment |
| 03:55.37 | Parthon | and they only care about their player base for about as far as they can milk them |
| 03:56.03 | Bounty | Yeah i mean, i dont think people realize 1.5 is not blizzard trying to help us lol |
| 03:56.10 | Parthon | like, there's no limit on password attempts on their servers |
| 03:56.23 | Bounty | 1.5 would have come even if everyone loved the popularity system as it is |
| 03:56.32 | Bounty | 1.5 is just an optimization to prep for the marketplace |
| 03:56.50 | Parthon | 1.5 is an improvement because of all the complaints .. but they improved it blizzard style |
| 03:56.51 | Vailreth | well shit thats a bad bug |
| 03:56.53 | Parthon | not enough |
| 03:57.15 | Bounty | Its not an improvement because of all the complaints |
| 03:57.24 | Bounty | Its for the map marketplace |
| 03:57.27 | Parthon | well, that's what they are claiming :P |
| 03:57.32 | Parthon | buying maps? |
| 03:57.37 | Bounty | If it was to address the complaints they would scap the pop system |
| 03:57.38 | Bounty | yeah |
| 03:57.48 | Parthon | okay, three words: FUCK THAT SHIT |
| 03:57.55 | Bounty | Its just a more professional popularity system |
| 03:58.00 | Bounty | so its more like a store |
| 03:58.07 | Bounty | like an app store |
| 03:58.12 | Bounty | which is exactly what 1.5 looks like to me |
| 03:58.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:58.47 | Parthon | nah, it doesn't feel like a marketplace |
| 03:59.02 | Bounty | Dont worry, you'll see |
| 03:59.06 | Parthon | but it is just a better popularity system |
| 03:59.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:59.17 | Parthon | maybe it's because I only spend time in "open games" and ignore the rest |
| 03:59.25 | Bounty | You know why Blizz cannot scrap the popularity system right? |
| 03:59.34 | Bounty | Because without it the marketplace would not work |
| 03:59.36 | Parthon | because they use it to pimp the maps they like |
| 03:59.47 | Bounty | not even that |
| 03:59.49 | Bounty | its just that |
| 03:59.54 | Bounty | if you have an app store |
| 04:00.03 | Parthon | the iphones app store doesn't work either :P |
| 04:00.09 | Bounty | and the first thing ur customers see is a list of random apps ppl are playing recently |
| 04:00.16 | Bounty | it would suck lol |
| 04:00.33 | Bounty | app store works fine on iphone |
| 04:00.36 | Bounty | never had an issue |
| 04:00.45 | Bounty | then again i have no used it in like 4 years |
| 04:00.46 | Parthon | yeah, the first thing you see in 1.5 is "up and coming" and "highest rated" |
| 04:00.54 | Bounty | exactly |
| 04:01.01 | Parthon | but then you can also click to see "recently played" and "open games" |
| 04:01.02 | Bounty | just add a price next to its name |
| 04:01.17 | Parthon | the app stores sucks for the app makers I mean |
| 04:01.32 | Bounty | idk |
| 04:01.37 | Bounty | im just talking out of my ass really |
| 04:01.40 | Bounty | im just guessing |
| 04:01.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:02.03 | Parthon | nah, I see what you are a getting at |
| 04:02.14 | Parthon | I think I'm just uding it wrong :P |
| 04:02.17 | Parthon | using* |
| 04:02.26 | Bounty | After D3... i just dont even know nemore |
| 04:02.33 | DarkOrbis | lol, Parthon, having fun talking to yourself? |
| 04:02.39 | Bounty | I mean i wanna go for TL2 when it comes out |
| 04:02.43 | Parthon | DarkOrbis: always :D |
| 04:02.54 | DarkOrbis | lol |
| 04:02.54 | Bounty | but characters are not saved server side |
| 04:02.55 | Bounty | they are locally |
| 04:02.59 | DarkOrbis | i figured |
| 04:03.00 | Parthon | I thought TL2 would fail because of D3 |
| 04:03.04 | Bounty | so TL2 will be a hack fest |
| 04:03.07 | Parthon | and now I'm considering buying it |
| 04:03.08 | Bounty | nah |
| 04:03.09 | Bounty | i bet you nething |
| 04:03.13 | Bounty | TL2 will see a huge spike in sales |
| 04:03.22 | Parthon | because of diablo 3 :P |
| 04:03.24 | Bounty | they already saw a huge spike in pre orders after D3 launched |
| 04:03.32 | Bounty | but |
| 04:03.34 | Bounty | like i said |
| 04:03.36 | Bounty | even they fucked up |
| 04:03.45 | Bounty | local character saves... |
| 04:03.50 | Bounty | will be like Diablo 1 |
| 04:03.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:03.57 | Bounty | everyone will be hacked to all hell |
| 04:04.12 | Bounty | so, even though its multiplayer i still see it as a SP game |
| 04:05.58 | Parthon | it's also too repetitive |
| 04:06.43 | Bounty | I think my time of gaming is over at thi srate |
| 04:06.49 | Bounty | like, theres nothing |
| 04:06.54 | Bounty | or am i just old? |
| 04:07.01 | Bounty | all of these games blow |
| 04:07.23 | Parthon | haha, nah |
| 04:07.33 | Parthon | indie games are still awesome |
| 04:07.41 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:07.46 | Bounty | speakingof which |
| 04:07.49 | Parthon | like diablo 2 was the same scenery in different shapes |
| 04:07.54 | Bounty | those crushed by the fail that is Diablo 3 |
| 04:07.57 | Parthon | diablo 3 is the same shapes in different scenery |
| 04:08.04 | Bounty | I suggest giving KRATER a go for the moment |
| 04:08.08 | Bounty | very fun |
| 04:08.18 | Bounty | and only like 10-15 bucks |
| 04:08.21 | Parthon | is that the rpg? |
| 04:08.25 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:08.35 | Bounty | you seen it on steam? |
| 04:08.47 | Parthon | I did not like the trailer one bit |
| 04:09.08 | Bounty | the trailers suck |
| 04:09.19 | Parthon | shit music, no gameplay, tired old visuals |
| 04:09.19 | Bounty | youtube gameplay vids |
| 04:09.27 | Bounty | old? |
| 04:09.33 | Bounty | no gameplay? |
| 04:09.39 | Bounty | its a DX11 game |
| 04:09.42 | Parthon | yeah, in the 'official trailer' |
| 04:09.48 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:09.50 | Bounty | dont go by that |
| 04:09.56 | Bounty | just youtube gameplay vids |
| 04:09.59 | Parthon | I mean old as in I've seen those kinds of trailers a hundred times |
| 04:10.00 | Bounty | like, post launch vids |
| 04:10.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:10.09 | Parthon | not the graphics, they don't look dated, they look awesome |
| 04:10.22 | Parthon | I mean "the slow pan over a character posing" type visual |
| 04:10.44 | Bounty | lol i dont even know nething about that |
| 04:10.45 | Parthon | like an arthouse game :P |
| 04:10.47 | Bounty | like i said |
| 04:10.50 | Bounty | youtube gameplay vids |
| 04:10.52 | Bounty | thats what i did |
| 04:12.56 | Parthon | ouch, first negative point |
| 04:13.02 | Parthon | no audio options |
| 04:13.29 | Bounty | there are audio options |
| 04:13.37 | Bounty | they patched it in without like 12 hours |
| 04:13.42 | Bounty | indie devs reading forums ftw |
| 04:13.42 | Parthon | aaah |
| 04:13.49 | Parthon | that's a positive |
| 04:15.52 | DarkOrbis | Vailreth: any luck? |
| 04:16.08 | Bounty | btw Parthon |
| 04:16.26 | Bounty | that Orbis guy thinks u were talking to urself earlier bc the douche bag still has me on ignore from like 2 months ago |
| 04:16.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:16.31 | Vailreth | aliitle i have it so that as soon as the unit comes under attack it gains its super behaviore |
| 04:16.34 | Bounty | just thought i would explain that |
| 04:16.42 | Parthon | Bounty: well that makes the comment make 100 times more sense, I was like ??? |
| 04:16.51 | Bounty | haha |
| 04:16.56 | Bounty | yeah sorry it took me so long to explain |
| 04:16.58 | Bounty | it just hit me |
| 04:17.36 | Parthon | I can see how this conversation would look though :P |
| 04:18.51 | Bounty | >.< |
| 04:19.06 | Parthon | hmm, this is interesting, it's reminding me of darkspore |
| 04:19.33 | Bounty | Its like Baldurs Gate |
| 04:19.41 | Bounty | but not turn based |
| 04:19.42 | Parthon | yeah, I was thinking that too |
| 04:19.48 | Parthon | but without the broken d20 sytem |
| 04:19.59 | DarkOrbis | does it still show the units as in combat if they are being chased but not taking damage? |
| 04:20.23 | Vailreth | yeah its gonna take three behaviors |
| 04:20.52 | Parthon | I'm wondering where the x-com comes into it :P |
| 04:27.10 | Parthon | the recruiters station :P |
| 04:27.39 | Parthon | it's like a squad rpg |
| 04:27.41 | Parthon | I like it |
| 04:27.48 | Vailreth | i dont think so |
| 04:34.59 | Parthon | oh yay, flash crash |
| 04:37.02 | Parthon | Bounty: the combat looks bland :/ |
| 04:37.36 | Bounty | its not an action game? |
| 04:37.51 | Bounty | but its really no bland |
| 04:37.56 | Bounty | its shit loads of fun when u get into it |
| 04:38.05 | Vailreth | DarkOrbis: sorry this has me stumped |
| 04:38.25 | Vailreth | i wish you luck with it though |
| 04:38.36 | Parthon | I thought it was an action-rpg |
| 04:39.21 | Bounty | it is an action rpg |
| 04:39.32 | Bounty | its not as fast paced as D3 bc ur controlling 3 ppl lol |
| 04:39.34 | Parthon | lol |
| 04:39.40 | Parthon | oh, not that |
| 04:39.54 | Bounty | its alot of fun controlling a tank, healer and/or dps/cc |
| 04:40.00 | Parthon | I mean it's too much like d3, using the same 4-5 abilities over and over again ad-infinitum |
| 04:40.12 | Parthon | 4-5 being 6, because I can't count |
| 04:40.38 | DarkOrbis | Vailreth: me too |
| 04:40.52 | Bounty | *shrug* then dont play it, its better than d3 imo though |
| 04:40.57 | Bounty | and its a major bang for buck |
| 04:41.00 | Bounty | =P |
| 04:42.18 | Parthon | true, it's much cheaper than d3 |
| 04:46.47 | Parthon | I'm still convincing myself :P |
| 04:52.36 | Vailreth | well im out folks |
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| 05:55.55 | Repo | New experimental map: Harvest Prime - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/harvest-prime/ |
| 05:57.05 | Repo | New map: Epic Hero RPG - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/epic-hero-rpg/ |
| 05:57.06 | Repo | New asset: Dark Selendis Zealot - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/dark-selendis-zealot/ |
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| 09:21.10 | A1win | damn, just came up with a TD idea that doesn't have the elements of TD in it that I don't like O: |
| 09:24.47 | Parthon | oh yeah? |
| 09:26.46 | A1win | well it's not a very complete idea yet but basically the point is that you can "activate" each tower type using an ability, causing them to attack, and each tower type has a shared cooldown so that you can activate only one at a time |
| 09:27.22 | A1win | and a circular layout rather than a "path" so that you need to keep expanding from the center |
| 09:31.08 | Hookah604 | sounds bad:D |
| 09:32.51 | A1win | how so? |
| 09:34.47 | Hookah604 | so you could only use 1 tower type in each wave? thats pretty straight forward... |
| 09:35.10 | A1win | eh, no |
| 09:35.17 | A1win | you could use 1 tower type like every second |
| 09:35.35 | A1win | by using the ability that activates them |
| 09:36.07 | A1win | you build the towers but they don't do anything unless you use the ability of that tower type |
| 09:37.00 | A1win | so then it's actually a game and not a puzzle like pretty much all TDs I've seen |
| 09:37.04 | Parthon | I don't get it |
| 09:38.07 | A1win | using the ability causes the towers of that type to attack one time |
| 09:38.25 | A1win | then you press another ability (or the same one) to attack againi |
| 09:38.27 | A1win | *again |
| 09:38.32 | Parthon | so it becomes a TD where you have to press buttons to get towers to attack |
| 09:38.54 | A1win | yeah, but you can only attack with one tower type each time |
| 09:39.00 | Parthon | that's an interesting idea |
| 09:39.01 | Hookah604 | You want to make shooter TD? |
| 09:39.09 | Parthon | I'm making a game-show TD |
| 09:39.13 | A1win | what do you mean by shooter? |
| 09:39.41 | A1win | you don't need to aim the towers, they'd probably do some kind of an AOE around them |
| 09:40.34 | Hookah604 | still its more like a shooter than an TD... |
| 09:41.11 | A1win | you build towers and use them to defend things |
| 09:41.27 | A1win | it's not like a regular TD sure, but I never liked regular TDs |
| 09:42.05 | A1win | but that was the first thing I said about this subject |
| 09:42.09 | A1win | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.46 | A1win | call it an "action TD" if you like ;p |
| 09:42.58 | Hookah604 | so to say in other words, it will be more micro game than macro? |
| 09:43.06 | Parthon | sounds like it :D |
| 09:43.15 | A1win | a mix between both I guess |
| 09:44.08 | Hookah604 | well, I hate td-s which need any kind of micro. (expect the ones with mini games:) |
| 09:44.14 | A1win | regular TDs have no strategy to them, just memorizing the pattern of enemies that comes and thinking of the best possible tower layout, which is what I don't like about TDs |
| 09:44.37 | Hookah604 | your TD will be the same as I see... |
| 09:44.41 | A1win | you learn them by trial & error |
| 09:45.05 | A1win | I would also try eliminating that aspect if I'd make such a map |
| 09:45.05 | Hookah604 | but you are right. Thats why I made Random TD:D |
| 09:45.56 | A1win | that doesn't sound like it fixes the problem, only makes it worse since you need to also figure out what works "most often" and not just the optimal setup for one layout |
| 09:46.03 | A1win | err one possibility |
| 09:46.37 | A1win | I guess the other aspect of TDs that I don't like is that you can't build the towers whenever you want, but only between waves |
| 09:46.51 | A1win | so allowing constant construction would make it more interesting to me |
| 09:47.08 | A1win | and constant waves |
| 09:47.19 | Hookah604 | you know that if you can build under wave than you can make a wave to never reach the end? |
| 09:47.37 | A1win | eh? |
| 09:47.42 | Hookah604 | thats right |
| 09:47.57 | A1win | no, it's not :P just needs different kind of AI |
| 09:48.18 | Hookah604 | what you mean? |
| 09:48.19 | A1win | or towers that don't block enemy routes |
| 09:48.30 | Hookah604 | well yeah |
| 09:48.43 | Hookah604 | it only happens if its a mazer TD... |
| 09:48.51 | A1win | well, it obviously wouldn't be |
| 09:48.57 | A1win | because it wouldn't make any sense then |
| 09:49.26 | Hookah604 | well thats the only thing I like in TD-s, mazing... |
| 09:50.35 | A1win | I don't see how that would make a TD any more interesting |
| 09:51.01 | A1win | it's just changing the shape of the enemy path O.o |
| 09:51.37 | A1win | anyway this idea would need some interesting towers... otherwise it'd be quite boring |
| 09:53.04 | A1win | mmh and they'd need to work in multiplayer where the players can combine their towers to use multiple different types instead of just one at a time |
| 09:53.34 | A1win | was thinking of a tower type that has a cooldown and throws enemies away from them but then players could chain those in multiplayer so that the enemies could never get through |
| 09:54.08 | A1win | should probably have the "cooldowns" on the enemies instead of on the towers |
| 09:54.29 | A1win | like a buff that says "this enemy can't be thrown again while this buff is active" |
| 09:54.56 | Hookah604 | changing shapes of maze according tower's attack can be really tactical and interesting... I suggest check my TD... |
| 09:55.25 | A1win | don't say tactics when it's just a predetermined layout :P |
| 09:56.45 | Hookah604 | just check my td |
| 09:56.58 | Hookah604 | nothing is predetermined in that... |
| 09:57.22 | A1win | I'd still assume you can't actually react to the enemy compositions in any way? |
| 09:57.37 | Hookah604 | you can |
| 09:59.05 | A1win | care to elaborate? D: |
| 10:00.17 | Hookah604 | well I think you should elaborate the question first... |
| 10:00.40 | Hookah604 | but let just say, they terrain random, the wave types random, the tower's cost are random... |
| 10:00.45 | Hookah604 | the* |
| 10:01.04 | A1win | but do you know what enemies will spawn before you decide which towers to build? |
| 10:01.08 | Hookah604 | I mean randomed at the start... |
| 10:01.38 | Hookah604 | yes, everything is randomed out at the start of the map |
| 10:02.25 | A1win | alright, then it makes a bit more sense than I thought ;p |
| 10:03.05 | A1win | but I still don't like TDs so I think I'll pass :P |
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| 14:38.59 | Parthon | hmmm, can you crete units in units with abilities? |
| 14:42.11 | Hookah604 | ? |
| 14:43.15 | Parthon | marine in bunkers for example |
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| 15:03.03 | Stewox | http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27548-hart-of-the-swarm-said-to-be-99-completed |
| 15:03.10 | Stewox | HOTS 99% completed |
| 15:03.46 | Stewox | not sure if that includes polish, QA and the rest |
| 15:04.30 | Stewox | 1.5 patch is actually all the HOTS stuff without content ? |
| 15:04.44 | Stewox | it seems like it from what i've heard |
| 15:04.52 | Stewox | the launches may coincide |
| 15:04.57 | Stewox | but no idea for sure |
| 15:07.55 | Parthon | 1.5 feels like hots |
| 15:08.01 | Parthon | new UI for starters |
| 15:08.42 | Hookah604 | you will have to wait much more for HOTS... dont forget there will be a hots beta... |
| 15:10.40 | Stewox | yeah seems like this polish is going to take til holidays |
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| 15:11.03 | Stewox | they mean it it in assets, the last percents are the hardests and most important |
| 15:11.14 | Parthon | yeah, beta, balancing, polish, etc |
| 15:11.34 | Parthon | there should be an exclusive beta laddder |
| 15:15.22 | Stewox | did you worked with actors and movers parthon ? |
| 15:17.45 | Stewox | ... like a lot |
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| 15:27.13 | Parthon | actors, yeah, not movers though |
| 15:52.19 | Stewox | ah |
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| 15:52.44 | Parthon | most of actors I learnt just trying to make units and effects :P |
| 15:58.27 | Parthon | I think I'll commit to one tower a day, then the map will be finished in 19 days :P |
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| 16:03.35 | Vail|Gone | at least the data may be |
| 16:04.03 | Parthon | yeah |
| 16:06.02 | Vailreth | i am envious of those who have ideas have a couple of projects that are going no where because i stopped having ideas |
| 16:06.33 | Vailreth | i mean for abilities and units and the such |
| 16:06.43 | Parthon | oh, I never have a problem with those |
| 16:06.52 | Parthon | I sit down for an hour and just hammer out lists |
| 16:07.03 | Vailreth | lucky |
| 16:07.18 | Parthon | but I can't finish anything, because I always have yet another idea I want to work on |
| 16:07.30 | Vailreth | thats how i am with writing |
| 16:08.29 | Stewox | vail |
| 16:08.34 | Vailreth | yes |
| 16:08.39 | Stewox | most of the ideas sometimes come when you take a break |
| 16:08.40 | Parthon | hmm, having trouble finding a document of mine, uh oh |
| 16:09.12 | Vailreth | i take long break, |
| 16:09.17 | Stewox | i sometimes struggled with finding bugs and solutions from looking hours into a piece of code, then i took 3 days or a week of complete break from that issue and get back in later |
| 16:09.47 | Stewox | you don't have to take long break from all of it, just the part you can't figure at the moment |
| 16:10.01 | Vailreth | that would be the new ideas part |
| 16:10.24 | Stewox | stop thinking about it all the time ... that's the point, just think of it once a week |
| 16:10.49 | Parthon | found it, phew |
| 16:10.49 | Stewox | which is what i've done |
| 16:10.59 | Stewox | i mean, i havent been here for 6 months plus |
| 16:10.59 | Vailreth | yes and good Parthon |
| 16:11.19 | Stewox | i think the mover stuff hampers the modding of it |
| 16:11.26 | Stewox | i've got reasons in my head yesterday |
| 16:11.31 | Stewox | now i need to put them in the list |
| 16:11.37 | Stewox | http://piratenpad.de/p/sc2_extended_mover_modability |
| 16:11.47 | Stewox | reasons that will persuade blizzard |
| 16:12.00 | Stewox | A. We try to limit per-unit attributes for performance reasons so it's not likely that you will be able to change the mover for a specific unit unless there is a strong need for it. It can already be changed with upgrades and CatalogFieldValueSet, so there is already some flexibility available. Feel free to provide more justification if it's really important for your project. |
| 16:12.56 | Stewox | Reason 1: Make better engine optimizations, after HOTS this should be viable (blizzard is not making any standards in tech so they need to get more serious about it, hire some help) |
| 16:13.07 | Stewox | Reason 2: Better physics engine with HOTS |
| 16:13.22 | Stewox | eg easier to support these new movement stuff into editor |
| 16:14.45 | Stewox | Reason 3: The Per-Unit movement attributes are vital to diversity of modding and richness in games, plus lack of such features at all, limits our creativity heavily, a major upgrade such as HOTS this area should be dealth with |
| 16:15.19 | Parthon | Vailreth: I have this grid for a fantasy game with 78 classes and 564 skills |
| 16:15.34 | Vailreth | wow |
| 16:17.05 | Parthon | it's implimenting them all that takes the times |
| 16:17.09 | Parthon | time* |
| 16:17.26 | Vailreth | yes |
| 16:18.15 | Parthon | next tower: one that shoots out mines |
| 16:18.17 | Parthon | :P |
| 16:18.25 | Stewox | so vail you researched the other option for the mover thing, it was Roll i think |
| 16:18.31 | Stewox | i mean actor workaround |
| 16:18.47 | Parthon | not sure if I should go with spider mines or something else |
| 16:19.33 | Vailreth | i looked into it yes but i feel that its not even able to be mimicked at this time due to the inability to validate which direction a unit is sturning |
| 16:20.48 | Stewox | aha |
| 16:21.01 | Stewox | can you go in detail which axis this is |
| 16:21.19 | Stewox | like to spare me thinking, im have a lot of writting to do on pad still |
| 16:21.25 | Stewox | im writting right now as we speak |
| 16:21.45 | Vailreth | i belive its the x axis |
| 16:22.08 | Stewox | local (model) or global (3d world) |
| 16:22.15 | Vailreth | local |
| 16:22.54 | Stewox | ok |
| 16:22.57 | Vailreth | sorry but i have to get a bit to eat. i will beback soon |
| 16:23.19 | Stewox | i think i have time today, watching dreamhack :) |
| 16:23.45 | Stewox | or ... listening |
| 16:28.18 | Stewox | anything on this vail http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/12512-how-to-change-a-units-yaw-and-pitch-with-code/ |
| 16:29.34 | Stewox | and this: Actor - Elevation (0.000000) |
| 16:29.35 | Stewox | Actor - Elevation Period (1.000000,1.000000) |
| 16:29.37 | Stewox | Actor - Pitch (-360) |
| 16:29.39 | Stewox | Actor - Pitch Period (5.000000) |
| 16:29.41 | Stewox | Actor - Roll (0) |
| 16:29.43 | Stewox | Actor - Roll Period (4.000000) |
| 16:29.55 | Stewox | there was a thread linking to RollCopter which is actually pitching, but the thread said it did the opposite, that it enabled Roll |
| 16:32.00 | Parthon | man, the repaer mines are weird |
| 16:33.57 | Stewox | Still , this has nothing to do with movement as it's independent from friction and mathematics calculations with the environiment, so im still driving to explain this that fixed parameters that don't interact with others just aren't movers |
| 16:39.54 | Parthon | Vailreth: do you know what a precursor does? |
| 16:43.42 | Stewox | he has dinner ... imo |
| 16:43.56 | Parthon | yah, he'll see it soon then |
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| 17:09.48 | Parthon | damnit blizzard you wankers |
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| 17:10.32 | Parthon | need to put an arc of 360 in to make it cast in 360 degrees, but the editor keeps cropping it back down to 0 |
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| 17:11.35 | Mexa | Awesome... Unity 4 will have dx11 support |
| 17:21.49 | Vailreth | hello |
| 17:22.17 | Parthon | :D |
| 17:22.20 | Vailreth | i have no idea what precursor does really |
| 17:22.34 | Parthon | whoa, autocast is too effective |
| 17:22.45 | Vailreth | i know its used when launching a unit as a missle or something |
| 17:22.46 | Parthon | yeah, the cluster mines use it, but I don't know how |
| 17:22.56 | Vailreth | a non missile unit imean |
| 17:23.05 | Vailreth | at least so i think |
| 17:23.37 | Parthon | yeah, the data says "launch 1 mine" but in actual fact it launched 6 |
| 17:24.00 | Vailreth | hm |
| 17:24.32 | Parthon | tricky |
| 17:24.34 | Vailreth | the launch effect must be being called multiple times |
| 17:24.49 | Parthon | yeah, somehow |
| 17:24.59 | Parthon | if I wanted a mine to blow up on an enemy, would I need an ability? |
| 17:25.04 | Vailreth | are you using a crearte persistent? |
| 17:25.53 | Vailreth | do you want the mine to just blow up or like unburrow and chase down an enemy to blow up? |
| 17:27.05 | Vailreth | or were you thinking something like widow mines from HotS |
| 17:28.37 | Stewox | vail |
| 17:28.42 | Stewox | flock means hover ? |
| 17:29.03 | Stewox | or it's just a word used for nothing specific ? |
| 17:29.09 | Stewox | CMoverFlock |
| 17:29.35 | Stewox | also there are many grammar errors in your text i found |
| 17:29.46 | Stewox | i corrected them |
| 17:29.55 | Stewox | http://piratenpad.de/p/sc2_extended_mover_modability |
| 17:30.08 | Vailreth | thanks, i have a learning disability in writen communication |
| 17:30.45 | Vailreth | and i believe flock movers are designed so that the units group together and then space out |
| 17:30.52 | Vailreth | when moving and after |
| 17:31.20 | Stewox | you're not english guy ? |
| 17:31.47 | Stewox | so it's used for Hovers right |
| 17:32.29 | Vailreth | not sure what you mean sorry |
| 17:33.29 | Stewox | All of the units in SC2 Hover |
| 17:33.57 | Stewox | Parthon |
| 17:33.58 | Stewox | here ? |
| 17:34.00 | Vailreth | ah yes then its mainly for the hovering(flying) units but can be used as ground aswell |
| 17:34.08 | Stewox | how's that ? |
| 17:34.21 | Parthon | yo |
| 17:34.34 | Stewox | So something is hardcoded into FLOCK no matter if you change pathing mode and heightmap .... i need to know this ? |
| 17:34.39 | Parthon | Vailreth: just a simple explode on an enemy in range |
| 17:34.45 | Stewox | you doing anything important p |
| 17:34.54 | Stewox | or you're available for some of this stuff |
| 17:34.55 | Parthon | just making towers |
| 17:35.12 | Parthon | at the moment I have a skill that places a unit(mine) that blows up, it works well |
| 17:35.33 | Vailreth | the flock mover causes uints to spread out when they get bunched up |
| 17:35.39 | Vailreth | like how mutas fly |
| 17:35.41 | Stewox | Are you good with writting well structured and explained documents, it's not that hard really |
| 17:35.50 | Stewox | yeah vail |
| 17:35.51 | Vailreth | no i am not good at that |
| 17:35.52 | Stewox | but |
| 17:35.56 | Stewox | it has only 2 params |
| 17:36.06 | Stewox | those params don't do anything what you're saying |
| 17:36.14 | Stewox | okay then if that's the theory |
| 17:36.34 | Stewox | go check if changing those 2 params makes the units no to spread and etc |
| 17:37.41 | Vailreth | i belive the spread is hard code while the paramaters we can modify are just how the mover paths over terrain and which of the three heights it uses |
| 17:39.34 | Stewox | okay |
| 17:39.46 | Stewox | So CMoverFlock is not inherited from anything right ? |
| 17:39.49 | Stewox | it's on it's own |
| 17:39.57 | Stewox | but it's based on CMover as all of em |
| 17:40.17 | Stewox | I was asking Parthon about that ... |
| 17:40.50 | Stewox | take a look and this and see if you can help http://piratenpad.de/p/sc2_extended_mover_modability |
| 17:41.13 | Stewox | poorely documented code from blizz anyways |
| 17:41.35 | Stewox | okay so i think i get it |
| 17:42.01 | Stewox | CMoverAvoid is then hardcoded to be used for ground to have the pathing stuff to a void others and terrain |
| 17:42.28 | Parthon | reading now |
| 17:43.10 | Vailreth | ok it doesnt look like the flock works completely for ground units |
| 17:43.17 | Stewox | aha mover Type is selectable |
| 17:43.28 | Stewox | so we do not have access to the code behind these types ofcourse |
| 17:44.02 | Parthon | this mine lay works great, but it lays the mine on the closest point in the unit bounds, instead of in the centre, know how I can change this? |
| 17:44.46 | Stewox | i suspected that vail |
| 17:44.49 | Stewox | which is fine |
| 17:45.01 | Stewox | we'll introduce new types and subtypes |
| 17:45.55 | Stewox | there needs to be a selector for types of air modes such as HOVER or CONTINIOUS ... well continious is weird ... what should we call normal planes, those that cannot stop and hover and need to circle |
| 17:47.27 | Vailreth | Traditional? |
| 17:48.16 | Parthon | continous works |
| 17:49.15 | Stewox | Parthon ... can you explain briefly |
| 17:49.44 | Stewox | vail ... seems like too long for being a value ... something shorter perhaps ? |
| 17:50.04 | Vailreth | hm |
| 17:52.11 | Parthon | what am I explaining? |
| 17:52.29 | Mexa | OLhnoes, thunder outside |
| 17:55.20 | Parthon | thunder and lightning? |
| 17:56.36 | Mexa | yepyep |
| 17:56.50 | Stewox | continious workaround |
| 17:56.57 | Stewox | you were talking about |
| 17:58.27 | Stewox | got it vail ... simply Jet |
| 17:58.37 | Stewox | or thrust |
| 17:59.18 | Vailreth | ah i have detremed the flock mover does indeed work on ground units but it causes contnious jostling that looks ugly |
| 17:59.29 | Stewox | Parthon ... are you sure what im talking about ... if you are not interested in this project say so and i won't be asking you anymore |
| 17:59.50 | Stewox | and you changed the 2 params many times ? |
| 18:00.26 | Stewox | so it's not those 2 params that causes this effect ... this is vital to know |
| 18:00.34 | Stewox | or one of those 2 |
| 18:00.39 | Stewox | Air |
| 18:00.42 | Stewox | and Flying |
| 18:00.46 | Vailreth | no its not the params. |
| 18:01.45 | Vailreth | i am good at research bad at recording my findings... sorry |
| 18:02.05 | Mexa | kaboom |
| 18:02.46 | Mexa | OWah, I saw the lightning |
| 18:02.59 | Mexa | A very subtle string in the sky |
| 18:03.15 | Vailreth | also the flock dispersion is governed by the units radius and and seperation radius |
| 18:03.27 | Stewox | thanks vail im writtiing this down right now, that why it's vital since i don't like to get too much into head, need to keep writting |
| 18:03.51 | Vailreth | ah |
| 18:03.56 | Parthon | Vailreth: I tried an effect instant with an auto cast with an enemy validator, but it didn't work |
| 18:04.19 | Vailreth | for what Parthon? |
| 18:04.33 | Parthon | for a mine |
| 18:04.33 | Stewox | vail just tell me again what is the effect you said it's Spreading ... is that all or it's more, i forgot |
| 18:05.18 | Vailreth | they spread out |
| 18:06.35 | Stewox | that's all |
| 18:06.37 | Stewox | ? |
| 18:07.30 | Vailreth | pretty much they just spread a little if they are bucnched up or maintain the distance if they cant bunch up |
| 18:07.58 | Stewox | okay |
| 18:09.16 | Vailreth | how do you want your mines to behave, just blow up? |
| 18:09.59 | Parthon | see enemy in 2 range, blow up |
| 18:10.25 | Parthon | the blowing up part is working great |
| 18:10.34 | Parthon | just, it's blowing up without enemies |
| 18:10.59 | Vailreth | what are the search filters like on the auto cast |
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| 18:11.51 | Parthon | 2 range, required: ground, enemy |
| 18:12.25 | Vailreth | excluding self player neutral and ally? |
| 18:12.27 | Stewox | Ahli |
| 18:12.29 | Stewox | here ? |
| 18:12.48 | Parthon | yup |
| 18:16.05 | Vailreth | you may want to use a behavior |
| 18:16.28 | Vailreth | with a search area and a set effect that suicides and deals damage |
| 18:16.36 | Parthon | aah okay, so behaviours do that? |
| 18:17.06 | Vailreth | you can set a periodic effect to a search area and that search area can run the set effect |
| 18:17.30 | Vailreth | whan i mean is in the behavior there is effect periodic that you can set |
| 18:17.49 | Vailreth | what i mean* |
| 18:22.30 | Parthon | yeah, like a behaviour that ticks to look for enemies and explodes when it finds one |
| 18:22.42 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 18:22.56 | Parthon | the ability just isn't working :P |
| 18:23.04 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 18:23.13 | Parthon | it's going off, but it's like a second late |
| 18:23.23 | Vailreth | weird |
| 18:24.00 | Parthon | see if that fixes it |
| 18:24.37 | Parthon | hmm, not enough :/ |
| 18:28.51 | Parthon | it fluctuates between going off too often, and not going off often enough |
| 18:30.29 | Mexa | D: Scary... I just saw another lightning strike... it lasted for several seconds in the sky. |
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| 18:33.36 | Parthon | Vailreth: I can't find a sensible way to make search area call an effect |
| 18:34.09 | Vailreth | are you using the search area effect? |
| 18:34.30 | Parthon | yup |
| 18:34.47 | Vailreth | are you showing all data feilds in the editor? |
| 18:35.23 | Parthon | yup |
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| 18:35.44 | Vailreth | then it should be right there |
| 18:36.06 | Fenix | What is the trigger that activate an Action Definition? |
| 18:36.19 | Vailreth | you sure you have both basic and advanced fields visable and are in table view? |
| 18:36.24 | Parthon | yup, and yup |
| 18:36.28 | Parthon | what's the field called? |
| 18:36.48 | Vailreth | search: areas Effect |
| 18:37.11 | Vailreth | do you have combine structure values enabled? |
| 18:37.26 | Parthon | yup |
| 18:37.29 | Fenix | What is the trigger that activate an Action Definition? |
| 18:37.44 | Vailreth | ah i keep that turned off its easier to find things that way |
| 18:38.13 | Parthon | okay, it's back to being too eager again |
| 18:47.19 | Vailreth | i hope dark orbis comes in sometime i figured out his issue |
| 18:47.56 | Vailreth | are you using a behavior now Parthon? |
| 18:48.00 | Parthon | yup |
| 18:48.06 | Parthon | one for the delay and one for the area |
| 18:48.12 | Vailreth | what ahy> |
| 18:48.20 | Vailreth | why? |
| 18:48.31 | Parthon | because I want the mine to take time to arm, not go off immediately |
| 18:48.31 | Vailreth | you should only need one |
| 18:49.12 | Vailreth | ok you can achive the same effect with a persistent effect mixed in and one buff |
| 18:49.44 | Parthon | ah okay |
| 18:50.13 | Parthon | but how does that work with unit creation? |
| 18:50.29 | Vailreth | unit creation? |
| 18:51.05 | Parthon | yeah, I have on effect that creates the unit with a buff that does the fuse, then when the fuse is gone, it uses an effect to apply the search area |
| 18:53.00 | Vailreth | ah so you want the mine to be placed than have a few seconds then become active? |
| 18:53.06 | Parthon | yup, that's exactly it |
| 18:53.39 | Parthon | hmm, do you know what time variant does in AnimPlay for actors? |
| 18:53.50 | Vailreth | nope |
| 18:54.18 | Vailreth | i do not believe i have ever needed to examine it |
| 18:54.40 | Parthon | I think it makes it slower |
| 18:55.01 | Vailreth | ah |
| 18:56.00 | Parthon | lets try that |
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| 18:59.20 | Vailreth | i think you had the right idea with the two biffs |
| 18:59.25 | Vailreth | buffs |
| 18:59.52 | Vailreth | how is it exploding too soon? |
| 19:00.02 | Parthon | before I put the delay buff in |
| 19:00.12 | Vailreth | ah |
| 19:01.23 | Parthon | I wonder what a negative duration does |
| 19:01.53 | Parthon | nothing .. hmm |
| 19:02.46 | Parthon | I'm thinking SC2 can't do animations backwards |
| 19:02.56 | Vailreth | no it cant |
| 19:03.29 | Parthon | that would be helpful |
| 19:03.41 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 19:04.42 | Parthon | now I need to work out how to use the cutscene editor to list animations, because the old model viewer is gone |
| 19:05.40 | Parthon | found it |
| 19:06.11 | Vailreth | nod |
| 19:13.22 | Parthon | okay, it's working well, but it needs an adjustment :P |
| 19:13.44 | Vailreth | cool |
| 19:14.17 | Parthon | the mines are exploding when they see an enemy, I'm thinking of adding a delay so that the enemy is a bit close, causing the mines to do more damage, what do you think? |
| 19:14.33 | Parthon | bit closer* |
| 19:15.36 | Vailreth | would shrinking the search area radius not do it? |
| 19:16.38 | Parthon | yes, but then units could walk around it |
| 19:19.34 | Vailreth | yeah then maybe a persistent effect to delay the explosion could work |
| 19:22.31 | Parthon | yup |
| 19:24.04 | Parthon | time for testing |
| 19:24.18 | Parthon | I'm worried that it might blow up constantly |
| 19:24.46 | Vailreth | if you are not killing the mine at the same time it would |
| 19:25.22 | Parthon | yup, I need a validator for unit alive |
| 19:25.52 | Parthon | or, I could remove the behaviour for searching |
| 19:26.03 | Vailreth | or kill the mine |
| 19:26.17 | Parthon | the mine dies after 1 secon |
| 19:26.48 | Parthon | and in that time, 4 searches create 4 persistants |
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| 19:27.23 | Mexa | http://www.dreamhack.tv/?v=34 |
| 19:27.28 | Vailreth | ok why does the mine die in 1second? |
| 19:29.45 | Parthon | the search detects an enemy, waits a second, then explodes the mine |
| 19:30.32 | Vailreth | hm |
| 19:30.57 | Vailreth | let me get a test going |
| 19:31.00 | Parthon | haha, that works great now :D |
| 19:31.37 | Vailreth | ok |
| 19:32.00 | Vailreth | some times i forget how compiclated simple things can be to make |
| 19:32.04 | Parthon | yup |
| 19:32.18 | Parthon | the only thing left is not allowing mines next to each other |
| 19:33.00 | Vailreth | sounds like a job for footprints and collision |
| 19:33.26 | Parthon | yeah |
| 19:33.29 | Parthon | are there aoe validators? |
| 19:33.44 | Vailreth | there is an enumerate area validator |
| 19:33.54 | Vailreth | as close i think as it gets |
| 19:34.18 | Vailreth | what do you need to do? |
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| 19:34.59 | Parthon | just prevent the ability from working when clicked too close to another mine |
| 19:35.09 | Parthon | and yeah, I could use placement |
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| 19:36.32 | Vailreth | i would suggest trying the enumerate area validator first if the tower is expected to fire on its own |
| 19:37.14 | Parthon | yeah it is |
| 19:37.16 | Parthon | autocast |
| 19:37.23 | Parthon | I'm checking out the enumerate area one now :D |
| 19:37.42 | Vailreth | its a tricky one i find, atleast its hard for me |
| 19:41.12 | Parthon | hmm, there's autocast validators, but I can't find any ability validators |
| 19:42.37 | Parthon | lets see if that works |
| 19:42.54 | Vailreth | what are you trying to validate? |
| 19:45.06 | Parthon | mines in an area <= 0 |
| 19:48.10 | Parthon | yay |
| 19:48.17 | Parthon | but it's not mines yet, it's still "player units" |
| 19:52.20 | Parthon | hokay |
| 19:53.42 | Parthon | almost done |
| 19:55.12 | Parthon | hmm, this is odd |
| 19:55.22 | Vailreth | what is? |
| 19:55.33 | Parthon | I can't place mines under buildings, even though mines have no colliders :P |
| 19:56.06 | Vailreth | why place them under buildings? |
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| 19:57.23 | Parthon | yeah, good point |
| 19:57.23 | Mexa | Hey Deaod, I hope you ddidn't miss the dreamhack match recently |
| 19:57.27 | Fenix | What means: Trigger Error in 'gt_Randomize_Func': Could not get 'property' from parameter in 'DialogControlGetPropertyAsBool' (value: 13). It is happening in: Variable - Set Dice1 = (Random integer between 1 and 6) Where Dice1 is a integer. |
| 19:57.35 | Deaod | i did, as a matter of fact |
| 19:57.41 | Mexa | Nooo :V |
| 19:57.47 | Mexa | But it was so damn tense |
| 19:58.15 | Mexa | But DIMAGA won it :D |
| 19:58.21 | Deaod | ill check the vods |
| 19:58.24 | Deaod | awwww |
| 19:58.28 | Deaod | you spoil me |
| 19:58.35 | Mexa | noo =( |
| 19:58.41 | Mexa | I didnät think |
| 19:58.44 | Mexa | Sorry :( |
| 19:58.46 | Deaod | nvm |
| 19:58.56 | Fenix | anyone got an idea? |
| 19:59.02 | Mexa | Hey, better get ready for the finals instead! |
| 19:59.30 | Parthon | Vailreth: thanks for all the help :D |
| 19:59.31 | Deaod | what? the finals still havent been played yet? |
| 19:59.40 | Vailreth | welcome its what im here for |
| 19:59.52 | Mexa | <Nope |
| 19:59.57 | Fenix | can someone helps me? |
| 20:00.08 | Mexa | Scheduled to start 23.15 |
| 20:00.44 | Mexa | Fenix, that doesn't make any sense that it should happend on that line |
| 20:00.55 | Deaod | argh |
| 20:00.59 | Parthon | Vailreth: if you are curious about the result I can send you the map |
| 20:01.00 | Mexa | Wha's the line before or afte that? |
| 20:01.01 | Deaod | i should be sleeping then |
| 20:01.06 | Mexa | ;O |
| 20:01.22 | Fenix | i know that it should work. But i get an error?! -_- |
| 20:01.23 | Deaod | bo5 or bo7? |
| 20:01.28 | Mexa | bo5 |
| 20:01.32 | Deaod | phew |
| 20:01.33 | Vailreth | na thats ok Parthon. |
| 20:01.46 | Vailreth | i just like helping |
| 20:01.58 | Mexa | Preliminary times are set 23.15 to 00.45 |
| 20:01.59 | Parthon | two towers down, 18 to go :D |
| 20:02.14 | Mexa | But that can go in any direction |
| 20:02.33 | Mexa | Fenix, do you set any dialog item properties near that line? |
| 20:02.58 | Fenix | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.14 | Deaod | use something like pastebin |
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| 20:03.42 | Fenix | http://pastebin.com/kF0cEf8a |
| 20:03.43 | Mexa | Dice1text is enabled for 1, that is what is giving you the error |
| 20:04.07 | Mexa | You can't retrieve data from a dialog or dialog item properly if you have not explicitly set it first yourself. |
| 20:05.03 | Mexa | So, even though the dialog item is enabled by default once it is created, you must also set it to be enabled, to initialize the value. |
| 20:05.23 | Mexa | enable/disable, either way |
| 20:05.42 | Fenix | so i must set it to enable even if it is by default? |
| 20:05.52 | Mexa | Yes |
| 20:06.03 | Mexa | When you create it, also set it to be enabled. |
| 20:06.15 | Mexa | That should take care of the error |
| 20:06.21 | Fenix | ok ty. I'll come back if it doesn't work :) |
| 20:06.28 | Mexa | It's stupid, but it should work. |
| 20:06.32 | Fenix | haha |
| 20:06.46 | Mexa | It's an error on Blizzard's side. |
| 20:07.46 | Fenix | it worked. |
| 20:07.47 | Fenix | ty |
| 20:08.08 | Mexa | Then again, it gives a performance increase since they don't initialize all values by default |
| 20:08.23 | Mexa | But it's not really reliable for the modder. |
| 20:08.35 | Ahli | nanananananananananananana |
| 20:08.40 | Ahli | batman |
| 20:08.41 | Mexa | batman? |
| 20:09.45 | Parthon | :P |
| 20:09.54 | Parthon | anyone know where I can get a list of actor types? |
| 20:09.57 | Ahli | oh oh oh, the launchers know each other. I started D3 launcher and then I started the sc2 launcher |
| 20:11.32 | Ahli | it complained about the other game's launcher and used the game names correctly |
| 20:13.10 | Ahli | I keep killing my D3 hardcore chars in hell :S |
| 20:14.06 | Fenix | How can i do something like: If 3 of these 5 integer = to 1 then do action, if 3 of these 5 integer = to 2 then do actions, etc. ? |
| 20:16.36 | Fenix | any idea? |
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| 20:18.25 | Ashamed | so i got that wii emulator working with a wii controler this weekend ;) it works nice . Motion + even works |
| 20:19.08 | Mexa | Fenix, you mean they should individually equal 1? |
| 20:19.15 | Mexa | or with a sum, or? |
| 20:19.33 | Mexa | You're working with dices, hm? |
| 20:19.37 | Fenix | ya |
| 20:19.40 | Mexa | *dice |
| 20:19.54 | Fenix | if 3 of the dice equal 1 then do something |
| 20:22.02 | Mexa | You could make a helper function which haves a dienumber as parameter, which iterates through the dice and counts and returns the amount of dice having that dienumber. |
| 20:22.41 | Fenix | that's chinee for me. Hahaha. Anything more simple with integers? XD |
| 20:22.42 | Mexa | It's not as efficient as it could be though, since this means you'll iterate though the dice several times |
| 20:22.52 | Mexa | Well |
| 20:23.08 | Mexa | You have an array containing dice values, right? |
| 20:23.51 | Fenix | i have multiple 1 integer per dice. I use a random fonction between 1-6 to "roll" the dice. |
| 20:23.56 | Fenix | to set the value. |
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| 20:24.16 | Mexa | yes, but how many dice are you having? |
| 20:24.20 | Fenix | 5 |
| 20:24.31 | Mexa | Why don't you save those dice in an array? |
| 20:25.00 | Mexa | (abit offtopic, but still) |
| 20:25.01 | Fenix | well, caus i dont know how to use arrays? |
| 20:25.13 | Mexa | Ah, okay |
| 20:25.15 | Fenix | and many other things -_- |
| 20:25.20 | Mexa | :p |
| 20:25.33 | Mexa | I'd invest in getting to know them, if I were you |
| 20:25.41 | Fenix | Haha |
| 20:25.45 | Mexa | It can make triggers so much shorter and easier |
| 20:26.06 | Vailreth | Parthon the site wiki has a good page on actors |
| 20:26.40 | Mexa | Fenix, an array would basically wrap your dice into a collection, where you can retrieve each die by using a specified index instead |
| 20:27.09 | Parthon | Vailreth: ah, it didn't come up in google search |
| 20:27.11 | Mexa | instead of dice1, dice2, dice3 etc, you'd have dice[1], dice[2], dice[3] |
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| 20:28.06 | Fenix | well, it still doesn't resolve my problem of if multiple dice equal the same number then do action :P |
| 20:28.16 | Mexa | which means you can, for instance, do "for each integer A from 1 to 6" pick dice[A] |
| 20:28.25 | Vailreth | when it comes to sc2mapping i check the site first then google if i have to |
| 20:28.26 | Vailreth | too |
| 20:28.49 | Mexa | Fenix, you're right. But it would ease along the way |
| 20:29.31 | Parthon | cool |
| 20:29.43 | Parthon | I'm trying to find a good effect for "the mine is about to explode" |
| 20:29.50 | Fenix | so, what should i do now? :P |
| 20:29.55 | Parthon | ooh, I have a better idea |
| 20:30.25 | Vailreth | a better idea? |
| 20:30.43 | Mexa | Fenix, another thing. Do you want it to become true if at least 3 of the dice are 1, or does it have to be exact? |
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| 20:31.08 | Parthon | yup, just use the animations properly |
| 20:31.14 | Vailreth | heh |
| 20:31.15 | Fenix | true/false :P |
| 20:31.31 | Mexa | uhm |
| 20:31.43 | Mexa | .. I mean, what happends if 4 of the dice are 1? |
| 20:31.47 | Mexa | instead of 3 |
| 20:31.52 | Mexa | does it matter? |
| 20:32.22 | Fenix | only 3 of them will count. Then 4th one will be ignored. |
| 20:32.29 | Mexa | yes, ok |
| 20:34.11 | Mexa | Fenix, what I would do, is to have a dice array, and then have a function which counts the amount of dice with the desired value and returns it. |
| 20:35.02 | Fenix | ok so how i do dice array :) |
| 20:35.15 | Fenix | 1 integer for all duice? |
| 20:35.17 | Fenix | dice? |
| 20:35.17 | Stewox | hey vail i found some stuff about roll in actor |
| 20:35.26 | Stewox | Roll Period and Roll Factor or something |
| 20:35.53 | Mexa | Fenix, you create a variable with the array property checked |
| 20:36.01 | Mexa | Then you set the array size to 5 |
| 20:36.13 | Fenix | k |
| 20:38.16 | Parthon | hmmm, working with actors is annoying sometimes :P |
| 20:39.36 | Fenix | Mexa, with array does the 0 count as one. So i would need 4 array and not 5? |
| 20:40.34 | Mexa | In the trigger editor, if you specify a size of 5, then the actual size is 6. You can choose to use index 0 or index 1 as start, and index 4 or index 5 as end. |
| 20:41.21 | Mexa | As long as you are consistent, I suppose. |
| 20:42.00 | Fenix | ya but after checking the Array and putting 5 to the first number. Does this means 6 or 5 values? |
| 20:42.23 | Mexa | You mean size value, or dimension? |
| 20:42.40 | Fenix | size |
| 20:43.02 | Mexa | If you put 5 in there, it is supposingly meaning 5 values |
| 20:43.30 | Mexa | But like I say, it does behind the surface translate to 6:P |
| 20:43.32 | Fenix | so this is technically impossible? Variable - Set Dice[0] = (Random integer between 1 and 6) |
| 20:43.39 | Mexa | yes |
| 20:44.28 | Mexa | I imagine their design behind it as to allow people to either begin from 0 and end at size - 1, or begin at 1 and end at size. |
| 20:45.31 | A1win | what do you mean design D: it just makes the array 1 larger than it should be based on the value |
| 20:45.39 | Fenix | so i just have 1 integer with 5 values instead of 5 integers with 1 value.? |
| 20:45.40 | A1win | nothing super complicated about it |
| 20:46.10 | Parthon | man, these actors are meant to be powerful, but they can't even do simple things |
| 20:46.29 | Mexa | A1win, because people who aren't familiar with programming languages know that they usually begin on 0 |
| 20:46.52 | A1win | it still begins at 0 |
| 20:47.16 | Fenix | A1, are you speaking about array that would start at 0? |
| 20:47.17 | Mexa | It does. But they trick you to be allowed to use the last index. |
| 20:47.57 | A1win | Fenix, yeah.. they start at 0, and the size value you put there is actually the last index of the array, so the actual size is that+1 |
| 20:48.45 | Fenix | so I should put 4 in the size if i just need 5 values? |
| 20:48.49 | Mexa | Also, it goes hand to hand with the player index, for instance. There are no human players at index 0, so an array storing all players would have an array with the size 16, but each index would correspond to the actual player. |
| 20:48.58 | Parthon | all I want to do it play one animation, and stop, then play another animation and stop |
| 20:48.59 | A1win | Fenix, yeah, if you're fine with using values from 0 to 4 |
| 20:49.18 | Fenix | umk |
| 20:49.35 | Mexa | I'm only suggesting that their though is stupid, A1win |
| 20:49.48 | Mexa | thought about it* |
| 20:49.50 | A1win | mm |
| 20:50.37 | A1win | they're trying to be beginner friendly but if you're using arrays, that's the easiest thing to figure out |
| 20:50.49 | Fenix | Mexa, how do i set my triggers to search in the array similar value? |
| 20:51.34 | Mexa | Fenix, I made a basc function to return the amount of dice having a specified value |
| 20:51.46 | Mexa | http://pastebin.com/msdjdvZc |
| 20:52.18 | Mexa | Assume you pass in 1 to the function, then it will count all dice with that value, increase the counter, and then return the counter |
| 20:53.13 | Mexa | wow... |
| 20:53.36 | Mexa | What the trigger editor spits out in galaxy code for that snippet I just made is just atrocious. |
| 20:54.17 | Fenix | lol. |
| 20:56.35 | Fenix | well ty ill come back later ;) |
| 20:57.29 | Parthon | this fucking thing, can die in a fire |
| 21:14.46 | Vailreth | whats up? |
| 21:15.14 | Parthon | I can't find a way to play an animation, then stop, then play another animation |
| 21:15.39 | Vailreth | for what actor? |
| 21:15.43 | Parthon | the mine |
| 21:15.52 | Parthon | the first animation is birth and the second is stand |
| 21:16.20 | Parthon | either, the birth animation loops back to unbuilt, or pausing/stopping the birth animation stops any other animation that comes after it from playing |
| 21:17.01 | Vailreth | what did you base your actor off of i may be able to help |
| 21:17.15 | Parthon | d8 cluster bomb |
| 21:18.31 | Parthon | I change it though, to something better |
| 21:26.22 | Mexa | Deaod, looks like they're delayed |
| 21:27.11 | Mexa | I think they're waiting for the Dota 2 final to end. |
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| 21:38.32 | Mexa | http://www.dreamhack.tv/?v=13 soon to begin sc2 finals! :D |
| 21:40.49 | Mexa | oh well, a few more minutes...' |
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| 22:04.19 | Parthon | Vailreth: more thanks, I finally got everything working just the way I wanted, it looks sweet |
| 22:04.37 | Vailreth | cool glad to hear it |
| 22:05.23 | Parthon | the animations were intefering with each other, I had to look at other actors until I figured out the proper way to do it :/ |
| 22:05.57 | Vailreth | ah |
| 22:07.01 | Parthon | once I have 6 towers done, I'll release an alpha map |
| 22:07.14 | Vailreth | cool |
| 22:09.01 | Vailreth | any one else having trouble with diablo |
| 22:09.19 | Ahli | my map or D3 or D2 or D1? |
| 22:09.29 | Vailreth | d |
| 22:09.46 | Parthon | Ahli: you made dia blo? |
| 22:09.54 | Ahli | yes |
| 22:09.57 | Vailreth | ahem d3 |
| 22:10.11 | Parthon | nice, that's a fun map :D |
| 22:10.14 | Ahli | EU server seemed to be fine 5 minutes ago |
| 22:10.23 | Ahli | thx :) |
| 22:10.24 | Vailreth | i tryed starting the game and its telling me i need to install |
| 22:10.24 | Parthon | I'm very impressed by what you could do with the engine |
| 22:10.55 | Parthon | Vailreth: try running the installer from the directory directly |
| 22:11.06 | Parthon | not the installer, the game |
| 22:11.13 | Vailreth | gn |
| 22:11.15 | Vailreth | hm |
| 22:11.20 | Parthon | there's something wrong with the launchers, they keep getting confused with each other |
| 22:11.34 | Parthon | delete the installer if you haven't already as well |
| 22:11.48 | Ahli | launcher got an update on EU |
| 22:11.56 | Vailreth | here too |
| 22:12.00 | Ahli | within the last hour or something like that |
| 22:12.07 | Vailreth | but it wont actually update |
| 22:12.21 | Ahli | it does for me :S |
| 22:13.02 | Ahli | I need a lazy way to kill a fly |
| 22:13.51 | Ahli | it's flying periodically around me, but still has a good reaction time to prevent death |
| 22:14.03 | Ahli | I need a trap |
| 22:15.39 | Vailreth | honey |
| 22:15.47 | Vailreth | that might doit |
| 22:27.44 | Mexa | http://www.dreamhack.tv/?v=13 It's starting! :D |
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| 22:29.48 | Mexa | Deaod, still awake right ;)? |
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| 22:38.21 | Ahli | http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/dreamhackTV |
| 22:38.32 | Mexa | yep, it's the same stream |
| 22:38.48 | Ahli | it's really starting now ;D |
| 22:38.55 | Mexa | Yeah, true :D |
| 22:39.52 | Mexa | Hmm, and I think I'll watch it on the livestream instead of watching on the tv |
| 22:41.15 | Mexa | I wonder why the music was turned off. |
| 22:52.23 | *** join/#sc2mapster Dustin (~Dustin@ip98-164-7-175.ks.ks.cox.net) |
| 22:56.34 | *** join/#sc2mapster Jygga (jygga@unaffiliated/jygga) |
| 23:04.58 | Mexa | dang |
| 23:05.48 | Ahli | intense games :D |
| 23:06.01 | Mexa | yeah |
| 23:06.07 | Mexa | It was a while ago I saw that. |
| 23:07.08 | Ahli | now dimaga needs to win a map. it can't end like that |
| 23:07.20 | Vailreth | yes |
| 23:07.28 | Vailreth | it cant end like this |
| 23:07.48 | Mexa | ! indeed |
| 23:11.40 | *** join/#sc2mapster harl|Touch (harl@dslb-092-073-092-083.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:11.51 | Vailreth | Zerg must win! |
| 23:12.11 | Mexa | Totally, gogo! |
| 23:20.40 | Ahli | crushed the attack |
| 23:27.47 | Mexa | :D |
| 23:53.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (442ccc3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.44.204.59) |
| 23:54.09 | Bounty | Pew |
| 23:54.22 | Mexa | What are you doing here? |
| 23:54.28 | Mexa | I mean, hey! :> |
| 23:54.33 | Dustin | :O |
| 23:54.48 | Bounty | im bored? lol |
| 23:54.58 | Mexa | I haven't seen you here in a while |
| 23:55.07 | Mexa | Or maybe I have been here on the wrong times. |
| 23:55.20 | Bounty | Well yeah, i stopped mapping a month or two ago |
| 23:55.30 | Mexa | I see |
| 23:55.39 | Mexa | Not at all interested in the arcade beta? |
| 23:55.40 | Bounty | No jademussreg? now that if thats not a sign of the end of mapster i dont know what is |
| 23:55.51 | Mexa | ~seen JademusSreg |
| 23:55.54 | purl | jademussreg <Owenalacas@c-71-203-205-99.hsd1.tn.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 16d 35m 43s ago, saying: '.05 is 5%. ???'. |
| 23:55.55 | Bounty | not really |
| 23:55.56 | Mexa | He's been off for some time. |
| 23:56.05 | Bounty | good for him |
| 23:56.15 | Mexa | Considering it is summer, I see no reason not to. |
| 23:56.18 | Bounty | im sure hes spending his time wisely lol |
| 23:56.38 | Bounty | but yeah, after actually seeing the arcade beta... i have no interest in it |
| 23:56.47 | Bounty | looks more like preperations for the marketplace |
| 23:57.15 | Mexa | Is that negative then? |
| 23:57.23 | Bounty | Of course it is |
| 23:57.29 | Bounty | I never say anything positive |
| 23:57.31 | Bounty | :) |
| 23:57.39 | Mexa | .-. |
| 23:57.49 | Bounty | But, i would think that people would agree with me on this one |
| 23:58.07 | Bounty | Patch 1.5 is not Blizzard trying to redeem themselves to custom map makers lol |
| 23:58.27 | Bounty | Its prep for the marketplace, if it was them trying to redeem themselves they would have scrapped the popularity system |