| 00:16.18 | Deaod | sounds awesome, mexa |
| 00:16.25 | Mexa | Yeah |
| 00:16.48 | Mexa | And all those matches whih isn't shown on the tv, the broadcasting channel will show online too |
| 00:17.08 | Mexa | (even though those will also be viewable from the official dreamhack livestreams) |
| 00:17.34 | Mexa | But it's a nice step to bring it forth on the tv. |
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| 10:45.30 | Stewox | anyone here |
| 10:46.15 | Stewox | I was wondering if the 1.5 beta patch modding will be compatible with the final 1.5 so there won't be much need to adapt the code |
| 10:47.04 | Stewox | oh and looks like 1.5 patch is the stuff that supposably HOTS was going to have inside ... but about physics engine, looks like that's in hots. |
| 10:47.19 | Ahli | Differences will be small, if not existent. |
| 10:47.27 | Stewox | really ? |
| 10:47.33 | Ahli | that's my impression |
| 10:47.42 | Stewox | physics engine is fedinitely, graphics quality too |
| 10:47.47 | Stewox | definitely* |
| 10:47.59 | Stewox | the creep animations and all the terrain stuff |
| 10:48.06 | Ahli | I mean from beta to patch 1.5 |
| 10:48.22 | Stewox | no ther will be differences in-game but most of the editor stuff is already in 1.5 |
| 10:48.31 | Stewox | aha |
| 10:48.33 | Stewox | okay |
| 10:48.50 | Ahli | I think the physics might be even in the beta right now, but no models have the physics activated |
| 10:49.04 | Stewox | yeah i figure there will be fixes of the UI and stuf like that, nothing major in the lower levels |
| 10:49.27 | Stewox | I will also petition for HOTS to have higher quality graphics models avalable |
| 10:49.41 | Stewox | now it's LOW and HIGH , i would like to see ULTRA too |
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| 12:24.26 | Ahli | someone here that knows how behavior cooldowns work? |
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| 12:52.24 | Stewox | I think i've worked with them but with help |
| 12:52.29 | Stewox | so ... i think i've forgot |
| 12:52.37 | Stewox | but i'll be soon doing my project |
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| 13:37.13 | Stewox | anyone here |
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| 14:35.02 | Mexa | Hey... I remember there was one guy in here asking about the benefits of using records/structs. |
| 14:35.10 | Mexa | Do anyone remember who that was? |
| 14:36.28 | Stewox | none that i know of |
| 14:36.49 | Stewox | you have any idea if HOTS will be changed a lot VS 1.5 ? |
| 14:37.11 | Stewox | so i don't end up with an incompatible map/mod |
| 14:37.24 | Stewox | i will be doing a mod and only basic stuff to be on the safe side |
| 14:37.48 | Stewox | but I can't use GAx3 which is a shame |
| 14:37.53 | Stewox | i mean ... pity |
| 14:39.11 | Mexa | Considering that HOTS is an expansion I would assume that there's going to be some engine changes. |
| 14:39.44 | Mexa | On Blizzcon last year they talked about some HOTS-changes |
| 14:40.46 | Mexa | Then again, hopefully they do have backwards compatibility, like with roc/tft. But considering Sc2 is more complex, you never know. |
| 14:41.10 | Mexa | Why can't you use GAx3? |
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| 14:44.26 | Ahli | they won't change everything :S you are to afraid to do anything at all with that attitude... guess what, there will be another expansion... better do only the theoretical work till then. :S |
| 14:51.13 | Mexa | ^ |
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| 15:10.40 | Stewox | because GAx3 is not 1.5 yet |
| 15:10.49 | Stewox | there will be engine changes yes |
| 15:11.07 | Stewox | but not a lot of basics in the XML and galaxy ... i won't be making any lowe-level stuff |
| 15:11.10 | Stewox | hopefully |
| 15:11.16 | Stewox | but again, I have my doubts |
| 15:11.34 | Stewox | on the other hands, when the heck is HOTS expected to be out ? |
| 15:11.34 | Ahli | at most actor events might be broken/changed. |
| 15:11.43 | Ahli | or at least that could happen |
| 15:11.47 | Stewox | really ? |
| 15:11.57 | Stewox | i was thinking doing a few abilities and etc... |
| 15:12.41 | Ahli | their design is straight forward and doesn't really allow much changes on the core events |
| 15:13.17 | Stewox | so what the heck would leave me to do now |
| 15:13.22 | Ahli | because your own events use up one entry and when they add something in the actor used as a base, that change might not occur in your actor |
| 15:13.55 | Ahli | but maybe they make changes with adding macros only which can't bug it |
| 15:13.57 | Stewox | focusin on ... hmm , some planning stuff that i could put on the text in files to help me later , some kind of pre-processing that'll help me build it faster when i start ? |
| 15:14.13 | Ahli | So I would use the arcade beta editor and don't bother changes |
| 15:14.39 | Stewox | i was already trying to use the beta editor |
| 15:14.47 | Ahli | there are always small bug fixes to be done because they change the meaning of the fields |
| 15:14.55 | Stewox | the question is ... whether hots will change compared to 1.5 |
| 15:14.58 | Ahli | or they just activate fields |
| 15:15.33 | Ahli | hots will change something I guess because it will pass a lot of time until hots is realeased |
| 15:15.56 | Stewox | til holiday ? |
| 15:16.12 | Stewox | it is this year, we know that |
| 15:16.18 | Ahli | they plan to do a multiplayer beta and that will last 2-3 months because of balance. maybe the beta will be much longer. |
| 15:16.22 | Stewox | unless it's blizzard again |
| 15:16.36 | Stewox | but they promised investors for this year |
| 15:16.53 | Stewox | which means absolutely nothing when it comes to blizzard :) |
| 15:16.55 | Ahli | I don't give a damn about dates by blizzard ;D they are more like initial thoughts and not deadlines |
| 15:17.03 | Ahli | indeed |
| 15:18.02 | Stewox | that's a tough thing now ... if it comes 6 months later, no prob ... but if it's like in 3 months i might be throwing work and time away |
| 15:18.19 | Stewox | but ... i should say, I gotta get an idea when the arcade marketplace will go up |
| 15:18.32 | Ahli | the work you would throw away would be neglectible... then you work a week and your map is up running smooth again. |
| 15:18.34 | Stewox | seems like pre-hots ? |
| 15:19.02 | Ahli | that's no excuse to not test concepts, etc... you use to hit roadblocks anyway during development. at least I usually do |
| 15:19.27 | Stewox | that's the thing that drives me to |
| 15:19.48 | Stewox | if i start now, it'll be a good learning curve and kind of a pre-work |
| 15:20.35 | Stewox | keeping it saved and it might just be useful to copy stuff over ... not literally, just the stuff that works, but working from a scratch file for hots would be most safest way to go |
| 15:20.40 | Parthon | plus most of what you learn will still be applicable |
| 15:21.07 | Stewox | my worry is that the editor wont' detect all bugs and wrong stuff, some stuff might get parsed but it would not work the same way |
| 15:21.31 | Parthon | are you working with custom functions/code? |
| 15:21.33 | Ahli | that is expected to happen. You will need to spot that. the editor can't do that |
| 15:22.27 | Ahli | so your map will either work or not work afterwards. Then you repair the damage caused by the patch. That's mostly limited to data I guess. Maybe you need to fix your faulty settings that shouldn't have been there in first place. |
| 15:22.57 | Parthon | Ahli: he means that the upgrade might introduce hard-to-find glitches that don't cause it to stop working |
| 15:23.03 | Ahli | like I had an actor event that called a non-existing attack animation and after the patch the animation stopped working because the behavior of non-existing stuff changed |
| 15:23.40 | Stewox | no not yet, i was about to use GAx3 but found out it doesn't support 1.5 yet, and the guy (or gal ?) said that no stuff will be released until 1.5 goes live |
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| 15:24.28 | Ahli | which feature do you plan to use? |
| 15:24.35 | Ahli | actor visibility per player is fine. |
| 15:25.24 | Stewox | i was interested because of expanded libs for triggers ... that's the main thing i would liked to have GAx3 |
| 15:25.35 | Stewox | exactly parthon |
| 15:26.14 | Ahli | things either work or not. If there will be hard to find glitches, you at least need to have an idea what isn't working. but in general you should have that |
| 15:26.14 | Stewox | it's those glitches that mostly an engine overhaul would introduce |
| 15:26.24 | Ahli | except when the map instantly crashes or something like that |
| 15:27.04 | Stewox | because im not going to use the same file ... you never know if the format has changed or at least some stuff, import export and all that , there might be bits changed that can't be possibly found in a timely fashion |
| 15:27.12 | Ahli | I guess the most things for hots are covered in the 1.5 beta. it has portrait item dialogs, physics, creep engulfment, ... |
| 15:27.27 | Stewox | really physics ? |
| 15:27.54 | Tomura | I think just for the engine |
| 15:28.02 | Ahli | the models require the physics enabled in their properties and that's something we can't do atm. |
| 15:28.02 | Tomura | or actors |
| 15:28.10 | Ahli | yes, actor thing |
| 15:28.18 | Ahli | just visually. can't break games, etc... |
| 15:28.26 | Tomura | I think they began to implement support for that in 1.5 |
| 15:28.42 | Stewox | so starcraft doesn't have physics at all now ? |
| 15:28.52 | Tomura | it has |
| 15:28.54 | Stewox | or you mean new physics engine |
| 15:28.59 | Tomura | but they will make it more advanced |
| 15:29.03 | Stewox | i mean on the models |
| 15:29.26 | Stewox | I don't think physics was noticable right now ... |
| 15:29.27 | Ahli | it means that actors can apply physics on other actors to make them fly around like the ultralisk and siege tank make marines fly ;D |
| 15:29.32 | Ahli | like in the hots movie |
| 15:29.37 | Stewox | but i've seen it in the options screen obviously |
| 15:29.37 | Ahli | *battle reports |
| 15:30.04 | Ahli | the physics used in the game atm are only for death models |
| 15:30.16 | Stewox | ah so you mean moddability for physics will also be enabled ? |
| 15:30.20 | Ahli | party flying and sliding half realistically around the terrain |
| 15:30.24 | Ahli | *parts |
| 15:30.59 | Stewox | so we can adjust gravity too :) |
| 15:31.15 | Tomura | I wouldn't hype it |
| 15:31.21 | Tomura | it's mostly for visual stuff |
| 15:31.26 | Ahli | only visual stuff |
| 15:31.45 | Stewox | only for actors then ? |
| 15:31.47 | Ahli | yes |
| 15:32.01 | Stewox | ofcourse that means models too |
| 15:32.33 | Stewox | if you want a weapon to use physics just make it shoot actors real fast to make a beam |
| 15:33.18 | Ahli | or you just make a beam for a beam |
| 15:34.13 | Stewox | beam is actor ? |
| 15:34.16 | Ahli | it will be comparable to projectiles now. They are units that travel a straight line, but their actor might travel different. |
| 15:34.21 | Ahli | half of the game is actor |
| 15:34.36 | Parthon | ? |
| 15:34.49 | Parthon | I thought the game was non actor, and the actors were the visuals |
| 15:34.54 | Parthon | ie: what you see isn't what's happening |
| 15:35.16 | Stewox | no |
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| 15:35.22 | Tomura | actors represent whats happening |
| 15:35.24 | Ahli | actors might be required to do stuff at all like launch something |
| 15:35.33 | Stewox | Actors are pretty much models and graphics |
| 15:35.35 | Ahli | no action actor, no projectile launch |
| 15:35.54 | Parthon | yeah, actors are the visuals .. as opposed to the data manipulation of the game values |
| 15:35.54 | Stewox | can't really compare ... i am a C&C guy and C&C had "models" |
| 15:36.12 | Ahli | basically you have actors, effects, behaviors and the data collection called units, weapons, etc... |
| 15:36.29 | Parthon | not really |
| 15:36.39 | Parthon | you have units, weapons, effects, abilities behaviours etc, and then you have actors |
| 15:37.00 | Stewox | ability and behavior are pretty similar |
| 15:37.15 | Parthon | and actors use events to create graphical representations of what everything else is doing |
| 15:37.32 | Tomura | or they control other actors |
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| 15:37.52 | Parthon | yup, but actors can't affect units and abilities |
| 15:38.23 | Tomura | in most cases yes |
| 15:38.30 | Tomura | the action actor is a bit strange |
| 15:38.38 | Ahli | indeed :D |
| 15:38.38 | Tomura | because it can cause a missile to not fire |
| 15:38.54 | Tomura | and stops everything if not set up correctly |
| 15:39.19 | Stewox | behaviors are fixed non-urer-interactable abilities, behaviors just range from a wider perspective, in C&C you had behaviors stuff in the game like automatic repairing, healing, radar, all kinds of things that made up a unit or structure |
| 15:39.29 | Stewox | non-user* |
| 15:39.48 | Stewox | Actor is like Art |
| 15:40.07 | Ahli | in C&C I only had terrain tiles I could set onto the map ;S |
| 15:40.15 | Stewox | in C&C ART was a completely separate system how it worked, completely separate INI code logic |
| 15:40.39 | Parthon | yeah, in sc2, behaviours are more like buffs and can cause repeatable effects |
| 15:40.46 | Parthon | but there's so many different types :P |
| 15:41.58 | Stewox | So inside the ART section, models, animations and stull like exhaust, opening door, airplane bomb bay, engine smoke , was all inside ART and had no connection with other code except that some behaviors were specifically built to affect and execute art, that was hardcoded and not moddable |
| 15:43.07 | Stewox | I find a lot of linking with Actors in SC2 compared to C&C engine |
| 15:43.21 | Stewox | Without actors nothing works here |
| 15:43.38 | Parthon | nothing works? |
| 15:43.55 | Stewox | well that's how i said it |
| 15:44.13 | Stewox | nah what i was doing |
| 15:44.34 | Parthon | I found it more like, without actors you can't see anything :P |
| 15:47.09 | Stewox | what bugs me here is that the UI can be pretty anti-producitve especially for a newbie |
| 15:47.20 | Stewox | not a noob in terms of modding, just with working with editor |
| 15:47.27 | Stewox | cause it's confusing |
| 15:47.49 | Stewox | stuff is missing from UI, not everythhing is shown, and i found something is only in XML |
| 15:48.06 | Parthon | the data editor? yeah, it's confusing as heck |
| 15:48.15 | Parthon | you gotta turn on advanced fields, and not everything is explained |
| 15:48.22 | Parthon | well, not everything means nearly nothing |
| 15:49.17 | Stewox | my english is not primary |
| 15:49.44 | Stewox | lol .. my primary is not english |
| 15:50.01 | Stewox | but the good thing is |
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| 15:50.21 | Stewox | at least you have the full list of possible options, that's a big thing |
| 15:52.00 | Ahli | imagine doing that in xml only ;D |
| 15:56.13 | Ahli | can I attach a unit to a unit? units carry my triggered damage data, so can I automatically update the position of a unit to the position of another unit with that? |
| 15:56.38 | Ahli | else I need to move move move move towards it or order it to follow |
| 15:56.56 | Ahli | oh no, I've a better idea I think |
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| 16:02.15 | Ashamed | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame_%28malware%29 |
| 16:02.23 | Ashamed | you guys read about that shit yet? |
| 16:05.25 | Ashamed | ^ i suggest you educate yourselves on that virus.. sure seems like a virus created by the US/similer organization to spy on us |
| 16:05.39 | ThunderLord_ | that shit is scarey |
| 16:05.46 | Ashamed | it had a kill command |
| 16:05.50 | Ashamed | that killed most of the virus |
| 16:05.50 | ThunderLord_ | i gotta scan for that shit on my computer |
| 16:05.57 | Ashamed | unless the workstation was offline for some reason |
| 16:06.08 | Ashamed | turn on video |
| 16:06.09 | Ashamed | it5 could turn on mics/record skype |
| 16:06.46 | Ashamed | .... but it was mostly found in the middle east... ( US GOVERNMENT ) |
| 16:07.01 | ThunderLord_ | lol |
| 16:07.09 | ThunderLord_ | well |
| 16:07.10 | ThunderLord_ | not lol |
| 16:07.11 | Tomura | BTW is it normal that my UDK game runs faster on DX11 than on DX9? |
| 16:07.15 | ThunderLord_ | thats crazy |
| 16:07.34 | Ashamed | yeah one of the biggest viruses found.. it was like 20mbs |
| 16:07.42 | Ashamed | and it was just a fucking SPY machine |
| 16:08.10 | Ashamed | it even turned PCs to BLuetooth beacons so then the PC that was infected would start scanning for bluetoothe devices and try to get information from them as well |
| 16:08.25 | Ahli | the us attacked iran with stuxnet... I guess this is the same stuff just to get other secret data or more info about the members of countries governments or strategically important companies. |
| 16:08.35 | Ashamed | yeah ahli its realted |
| 16:08.49 | Ashamed | it had a kill command though >< |
| 16:08.53 | Ashamed | and they wiped most of it already |
| 16:09.10 | Ashamed | it was found it may and pretty much gone already |
| 16:09.16 | Ahli | it was no coincidence that obama stated that a hacking attempt can cause a physical war. |
| 16:09.30 | Ahli | they just protect themmselves from what they do to others |
| 16:09.35 | Ahli | or planned to do |
| 16:10.24 | Ahli | given that the US government was really behind these viruses |
| 16:10.34 | Ashamed | yeah.. no doubt in my mind that the us created this |
| 16:10.57 | Ashamed | it only showed up in every middle eastern country we hav a problem with... |
| 16:11.34 | Ahli | I doubt they created the virus themselves and try to make people believe the US did that |
| 16:12.17 | Ahli | it's modern espionage. I wonder how long governments are already doing that... |
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| 16:13.51 | Ahli | I wonder how they even achieve to do some things... do they go to the OS producers and ask them? "Hi, this is the national security. May we have your complete source code?" :S |
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| 16:14.25 | Ashamed_ | i got dced |
| 16:14.30 | Ashamed_ | the USA knows i am on their trail |
| 16:15.25 | ThunderLord__ | OH SHAT!!! |
| 16:15.31 | ThunderLord__ | lol |
| 16:15.36 | Ahli | haha |
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| 16:50.03 | Ahli | oh there are a few new flags in target filters |
| 17:09.00 | ThunderLord__ | yeah |
| 17:09.01 | ThunderLord__ | lol |
| 17:09.08 | ThunderLord__ | i keep finding new stuf in the editor |
| 17:09.10 | ThunderLord__ | And im like |
| 17:09.15 | ThunderLord__ | "THATS SO COOL!" |
| 17:09.24 | ThunderLord__ | i dont have enough time to explore it all, lol |
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| 17:21.23 | Ahli | The unified and snare fields in the behavior are new too. |
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| 18:01.22 | ThunderLord__ | is it possible now to make Dialog items UNDERNEATH the default UI? |
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| 18:10.49 | Repo | New asset: Banshee Pilot - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/banshee-pilot/ |
| 18:10.49 | Repo | New map: Bel'Shir Terrain Edit - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/belshir-terrain-edit/ |
| 18:10.49 | Repo | New asset: Virolisk - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/virolisk/ |
| 18:11.01 | Parthon | ? |
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| 18:18.27 | Ahli | Repo is a bot |
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| 18:29.54 | Ahli | what's the best way to disable the move animation because you are using another animation "above" it? so u have an ability that makes you move around and should play an animation |
| 18:30.36 | Ahli | maybe baseline stop/start |
| 18:33.43 | Ahli | f*ck yeah, whirlwind |
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| 19:11.14 | Eimtr | can any1 with the Beta tell me Maps\Campaign\StorySections\TStory01_Armory.SC2Map;base do these maps exist in the MPQ |
| 19:11.52 | Eimtr | Maps\Campaign\StorySections\TStory01_Flagship.SC2Map;base |
| 19:14.01 | Eimtr | and another: Is there a file within a SC2 Map that contains the information about all objects placed on the map - units, doodads, points, regions, so that if I want to transfer to anotehr map. |
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| 19:53.13 | Taintedwisp | Hi everybody |
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| 19:55.45 | Ashamed | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MSY7II4hBgw#! |
| 19:59.20 | Taintedwisp | NICE |
| 20:00.22 | Taintedwisp | And there are people argueing this... |
| 20:00.45 | Taintedwisp | Its not too difficult to understand that the Prompts on screen are still going to show up for the original controller |
| 20:02.00 | Taintedwisp | ANND Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo will be Sueing soon.... |
| 20:02.01 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:02.35 | Taintedwisp | Sadly its about 3 years too late |
| 20:02.46 | Taintedwisp | New system will be out in a couple years no need to pay 70$... |
| 20:02.54 | Taintedwisp | If it was 20-30 it would be worth it |
| 20:06.57 | Ashamed | yeah i read it was at e3 |
| 20:07.04 | Ashamed | ... i pretty much thought it was fake too |
| 20:07.06 | Ashamed | but i dunno |
| 20:07.18 | Ashamed | yeah i don't really care... i already emulated WII on my PC |
| 20:07.19 | Ashamed | lol |
| 20:09.12 | Ashamed | and it loads in 720P |
| 20:09.21 | Ashamed | so its graphics are better and smoother then a WII |
| 20:09.22 | Ashamed | lol |
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| 23:11.42 | Repo | New asset: HK Revived - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/hk-revived/ |
| 23:13.56 | Ahli | what the??? hydra goliath? |
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| 23:18.57 | Taintedwisp | Wow this chat has been small for the last lil bit |
| 23:19.20 | Taintedwisp | I Predict that it will be popping around the 15th, Around the opening of the HoTS beta |
| 23:22.28 | Ahli | D3 isn't fun for me anymore ;S |
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